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April 12, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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GOP BETRAYS Voters ,Congress Approves FISA WARRANTLESS Spying w/Dennis Kucinich | Timcast IRL

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55:50

ian crossland

09:04

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Peace out.
		And by you, I'm of course talking to the deep state, not the American people.
		My fellow Americans are the people in the intelligence agencies.
		I'm trying to get on their good side because, you know, they just approved warrantless spying again.
		And so, you know, I don't want to be on the short end of that stick.
		In all seriousness, a lot of Republicans and conservatives are very upset because many Republicans voted in favor of renewing FISA and this warrantless spying.
		So yeah, great.
		Everybody's really pissed off.
		We'll talk about that.
		At the same time, Mike Johnson announced alongside Donald Trump that they are going to push forward with voter ID requirements for voting.
		And at the same time, we have big news that several states are rejecting this executive order that Biden released back in 2021, was brought up to us on the TimCast members show, that allows, requires the federal government, various agencies, to register voters in various states and to provide for them a... I want to make sure I get the language right, but...
		An adequate ID for those states.
		Basically, it looks like the federal government is trying to stick its hand into voter registration, which is states' business, and several states are upset about this.
		I don't know.
		Shadow campaign, perhaps?
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		Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Dennis Kucinich.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		It's good to be here, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's great to have you.
		I'm wonderful.
		How are you?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Life's good.
		Good to be joining you in the studio with this group here.
		And I felt it was very important to have an opportunity to have a chat with you and to reach out to your very large audience, which I'm sure is up to date on what's happening in the country and maybe ready to hear a point of view that Congress itself needs to hear.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, I assume everybody knows who you are, but do you want to give a quick background?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I grew up in the city of Cleveland, the oldest of seven.
		There's a poem, a poet by the name of Langston Hughes, he once wrote, Life for me ain't been no crystal stair.
		And one never knows that the way you grow up, how it can be a blessing later.
		But my family never owned a home.
		We were renters, as a lot of Americans are right now.
		And by the time I was 17, as a family grew to seven kids, two adults, we lived in 21 different places.
		And so we moved from place to place, you know, like nomads in an urban environment.
		And I learned a lot, not just about this city, but about people, about compassion, about how you never take a single day for granted.
		Live every day with a grateful heart.
		And I chose public service as an avocation, as a sense that my life doesn't belong just to me, that it belongs to community through service.
		I think many people have that view, and there's so many different ways to serve.
		I chose to serve in public, in government, so I've been a councilman.
		I was very young when I was elected to city council in Cleveland.
		I've served four terms in the city council.
		I've been a clerk of courts, which is a judicial office in the city, mayor of Cleveland at age 31, the youngest mayor in the country.
		Later on, State Senate, United States House of Representatives for 16 years, ran twice for president.
		I've been fortunate to have a long career in public service, which has really given me some insight as to how, you know, as to the nature of government, what it should be doing, what it shouldn't be doing, and the potential to be of service to people, but also the fact that there are some areas of government ought to stay out of people's lives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well right on, and now you're running for Congress again.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I was redistricted out of my district in 2012, paradoxically enough by the Democrats in Columbus, Ohio, when I was a member of the Democratic Party.
		Years later, Last year a new district was created which included half of my old constituency which I served, almost half of my old constituency which I served for 16 years.
		I decided, given what's going on in the country and the world, that this was an important time to get back into it.
		But in particular, because of the polarization that's going on, I thought, you know, I'm going to run as an independent.
		I've had the ability to work with people on both sides of the aisle.
		I did that when I was in Congress.
		I didn't care what somebody's ideology was, what party they were.
		I want to find out who they are as human beings.
		And then from there, you build.
		From there, you find ways to work together.
		And so I was able to do that.
		And so in running as an independent, there's a chance, Tim, that not only can I win, but there's a chance that I could be the only independent elected to the next Congress in a Congress that could be 217 Republicans.
		217 Democrats and one Independent.
		And I will tell you that I have the experience to understand how to use that for the benefit of the country, my constituents, and I'm preparing for that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is going to be fun.
		Thanks for hanging out.
		We got GPrime85 as well.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		M85 as well. He's still here. Yeah Well, I guess if anybody doesn't know my name is George
		Alexopolis. I'm a political cartoonist by accident I was here earlier today doing pop culture crisis with Brett
		and Mary So check that out later if you want to have a two and a
		half hour screaming fest I
		I yelled about Matt Walsh again.
		So that was fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because he doesn't like anime?
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't like anime.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		He calls it demonic and I'm not demonic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He is wrong.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to debate him one of these days.
		But anyway, until then, it's an honor to be here.
		I'm here to listen and learn and maybe ask some fun questions.
unidentified		Alright.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		And always fun to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got Phil hanging out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hello, everybody.
		My name is Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		What's going on, Ian?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, I was just thinking George Alexopoulos, Matt Walsh, Culture War, Anime Special.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's go hard.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		I want to go on record as saying I'm in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm in, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		I love everything.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		So it's up to Matt now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, Dennis, you're like one of my favorite people.
		Okay, that's a bit hyperbolic.
		You are like the OG hardcore.
		Like, you read the Patriot Act before they tried to pass it.
		You voted against it, as far as I can tell.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what happened is very interesting for people watching TimCast to learn about this.
		Congress had about 10 hours of hearings over the Patriot Act, and then we took a break early in the evening.
		When we came back onto the floor of the House, They put a different bill there that was much larger.
		They swapped it out.
		They eliminated what was called the enactment clause, put a new bill in front of the Congress, which no one read except maybe some staff.
		I spent about an hour and a half at the clerk's desk Riffling through the bill, reading as fast as I could, and what I found out is it expanded government powers in an extraordinary way.
		It gave government the ability to spy on people, to look at their bank records, their health records, their education records, their library.
		I mean, some of this has been amended out.
		But the core thing was that the Patriot Act set the government against the people.
		And so I voted against it because I read it.
		And most members didn't, but many voted for it because it's the Patriot Act, so you should salute it.
		Now, you know, to me, what I learned after 9-11 is that our government lied to us, and I knew that, but by the way, Ian, right after 9-11 I saw the case that the Bush administration was making go to war in Iraq, and I spent Endless hours deconstructing the case.
		And what I found out is that they were lying about Iraq, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, despite the fact they claimed that it did nothing to do with Al-Qaeda's role in 9-11, didn't have the intention or capability of attacking the United States, had nothing to do with the anthrax attack, yet a case was made to attack Iraq And we proceeded to prosecute a war that cost the lives of almost 5,000 U.S.
		servicemen and women, cost our country close to $5 trillion for the war alone, cost the lives of over a million innocent Iraqis, and contributed to a national debt that uh... added maybe with all the other wars since then about eight trillion dollars to a thirty four trillion dollar now national debt this thing was a triple canopy disaster the government lied about everything and the patriot act was uh... was uh... put forward as a means of trying to control the population to reach government even deeper into people's lives and what we see today this hasn't ended today FISA which is another riff
		on government reaching into people's lives, spying on Americans.
		You know, Congress defeated an amendment that would have required a warrant to be able to spy on Americans.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're going to talk about that.
		Serge is here too.
		Give it to me, buddy.
unidentified		I'm here too.
unidentified		Pleasure to meet you guys.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you, George, I should say.
unidentified		Let's get into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so this is the big story from NBC News.
		House votes to renew FISA spying tool after earlier Republican revolt.
		Prior to passage, the House failed to adopt a bipartisan amendment to curtail warrantless surveillance inside the U.S.
		Section 702 of the law expires on April 19th, unless it's renewed.
		So what does this mean for your everyday American?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		What it means is that government, just for an FBI agent, claiming there's a reason important to the country, can file a national security letter and go in and find out what people are doing.
		And to say that it's never political, it's not going to be abused, that's baloney.
		FISA should have been taken down.
		This law, we already had the tools through the Central Intelligence Agency to determine if somebody's doing something to try to hurt our country.
		And unfortunately, you know, the CIA often misinterprets that in order to justify starting wars.
		However, FISA has permitted our government to be able to reach very deeply into people's personal conduct.
		And this bill, Look, right now the government can track your internet searches.
		The government can flag individual conduct.
		To me, that is a nightmare.
		That is not what a democracy is supposed to be about, small d. It is anathema to the very principle of freedom that we believe we have as Americans to have the government equipped in a law that enables them to spy on Americans without a warrant.
		That's the point.
		They can do it without, you know, before, if you want to go and find out what people are talking about on their phone or any other form of communication, you have to go to court.
		You don't have to do that now under FISA.
		So, you know, Congress Rejected the Biggs Amendment that would have required a warrant to be able to follow the personal conduct of people to me.
		It is a violation of the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure.
		It is also a violation of right to privacy.
		I mean, our government is too busy about reaching into people's private lives and their personal lives.
		And in a way, when you have a law like that, everybody's a potential criminal.
		It's a status.
		If the government doesn't like what you're doing or saying, they can go after you.
		That's why I'm for, you know, I'm for dramatically revising all of those bills that were passed in the wake of 9-11, because otherwise we're looking at something that resembles more of a Stalin-esque state than the United States of America.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I want to just put a pin on that.
		The fact that you are bringing up Stalin-esque things, I mean, you've been around D.C.
		for a long time, you've seen the different political parties kind of change and grow and stuff, but you also understand what Stalin-esque means.
		So it's not used lightly.
		Like, there are a lot of people that are hyperbolic about stuff, but Dennis's, you know, depth of knowledge in his experience, using something like that, it should hold weight.
		Now, I think that I'm on the complete same page about all of the government spying, all of FISA, all of the stuff the Patriot Act, you know, made normal, made normalized.
		And I feel like also there is, we're kind of reaching a time where the people that were most vocal about, you know, not doing this, because I remember Ron Paul and you were very, very vocal.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Ron and I worked very closely together.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's part of the reason why I know I was a big, big Ron Paul fan, you know, in 2007, 2008, when it came out that, you know, the government lied to us.
		I was a, you know, a Republican and I thought that, okay, well, this is, you know, this is the government is doing this and it's important and blah, blah, blah.
		And then when it came up, they lied.
		I felt really You know it really it took it I took it personally and it's important that the people that were there when it was passed are out here now saying look we need to stop this stuff and it's now it's 20 years on so a lot of the people that were there like Ron Paul
		They're not there anymore.
		They're not in Congress anymore, and we're losing the voices that were protesting before, and we really need to amplify their voices against the things that are happening today.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is the Biggs Amendment that you said failed?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it failed in a tie vote.
		Congress, the vote was 212 to 212.
		If there's a tie vote, that means the bill or amendment does not pass.
		And Biggs basically said you need a warrant.
		That was today?
		Which is what the Fourth Amendment says.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is the argument for this like, the whole world is spying on us, so we have to spy on ourselves too?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the argument is, there is no US government, there's an enclave, which acts outside of the interests of the people, the people have no say in how things are done, and we can only pretend.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's not an argument.
		I mean, that's not an argument that I tend, but like, I get what you're saying.
		I believe that that is true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The US government is not accountable.
		Studies have been done that show that the government is not accountable to the people.
		The opinions of the people have no bearing whatsoever on policy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But beyond just mad power control, are they justifying it like, look, it's going to happen anyway, so we need to get ahead of this and be the ones that are collecting data?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, think about it.
		Intelligence agencies changed over the years where instead of having a sharply focused approach towards collecting information, as one intelligence leader said, why go for a needle when you just take the whole haystack?
		Now that haystack is everything about us.
		See, to me, We must have a private sphere in our lives which is reserved to us.
		That's who we are.
		You know, it enables us to effectuate the idea of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
		When the state intervenes in that in any way, it is not just chilling, but it's antithetical to the entire idea of freedom.
		The system you're in, it's antithetical to freedom.
		And we have to watch this creeping statism and knock it down at every point.
		Government has too much power over people's lives.
		And we have to look at the ways that power has been misused.
		And it is misused, there's just no question about it.
		The government doesn't really audit the abuses.
		They just look the other way.
		And our politics have become weaponized.
		If you're on the wrong side, they'll go after you.
		And this is wrong.
		Justice is no longer blind in this country.
		The blindfold is off and the people who are in power can look one way or another and decide who they want to go after.
		That's not what America was intended to be, but that's how we're evolving and that's why this vote concerning the FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Act, this surveillance act, this vote was really important because it basically says whose side are you on?
		Are you on the side of the deep state?
		Or are you on the side of freedom?
		That's the divide right now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And Mike Johnson, the speaker, we might actually play the video, it's pretty short, I imagine you might have...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll get to it in a minute.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was freakish, the way he seems to have turned.
		Like, he came in and be like, Yo, the FBI is too much power, let's get, let's all pro-America,
		yay!
		And then he's like, and then they took me in the back room and now I see it the other way.
		So now I'm gonna, I'm gonna go along with the FBI and the wireless warren tapping, wiretapping.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he met the Alpha Draconians in the back room who told him that he was a chicken and the aliens are in control.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they surrounded him with a bunch of psychics and just focused psychic energy into his head and he was like, ah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they didn't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Who knows what the hell, what they tell him.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What kind of things do you think that he was told in the back room, Dennis?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me just say, there wasn't any real, I mean, whether it was a back room or not, News reports have that members of the Justice Department were right outside the, you know, the chamber of the House, pulling people out to talk to them.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		That's very rare, by the way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
		We have this tweet from Thomas Massey.
		He said this is how the Constitution dies by a tie vote the amendment to require a warrant to spy on Americans goes
		down In flames. This is a sad day for America
		The speaker doesn't always vote in the house But he was the tiebreaker today and he voted against the
		warrants meaning if he didn't vote at all the warrants would have won
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Dennis you can see uh Yeah, well, Tom Massey is spot-on, you know, and he's a patriot.
		He really cares about this country, and the speaker He's in a box.
		I mean, you've got on one hand, you've got people that want to kick him out immediately, and then you have others who are gathering around him.
		He's like a witch bone, and people are pulling both ends of it, and if he survives, it'll be surprising.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think the people have been represented in this country for decades.
		There was a study that found that the political opinions of the American people have no bearing whatsoever on whether bills get passed.
		Yeah, Ron Paul's... His lobbyists, corporations, the wealthy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, we had Ron Paul on the show a year ago or so.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He said he thinks the Republic died when Kennedy was assassinated.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		And he was like, I think the CIA killed Kennedy, and that was when the Republic officially was like, well... As someone who was a senior in high school when Kennedy was assassinated, and you know, I have a point of reference on that.
		There's no question the country changed.
		It changed emotionally, it changed in terms of the grip that the deep state had on the government.
		If you look at the speech that Kennedy gave at American University in, I think it was May of, it was in the spring of 1963, a half year before he was assassinated.
		He called basically for taking down the military-industrial complex in the same way that Eisenhower did a few years earlier in his farewell speech.
		He said that, you know, we want to create a country where peace is inevitable, not war.
		And so, the observations that Ron Paul has made about where America is today, he's 100% right.
		I mean, I've worked closely with Ron, we're still very good friends.
		And we have to, Tim, I want to go back to what you said about the American people, Having their government taken away from them by Citizens United, Buckley v. Vallejo, free money equals free speech, you know, best Congress money can buy, by the role of corporations in the government.
		Look, you know, when I went to Congress, except for the fact that people helped me get in and get elected over the internet contributing, I was able to escape the condition that most congressmen have.
		They're given a book that's about a foot thick, of PACs to call for money.
		And instead of going to the floor of the House and engaging in debates, members come to Congress and they go to their respective party headquarters and they dial for dollars.
		They have pagers.
		When there's a vote, they run to the floor and they vote.
		But most members are not involved in a day-to-day debate because they need to raise three to ten million dollars depending on the district or more to come back.
		And the system is adverse to the interests of the American people.
		So Tim, you know what you said, absolutely right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me pull up this clip here, this is from The Blaze.
		Speaker Mike Johnson lays it out for you.
		I like to call this clip gooblegobble, gooblegobble, one of us, one of us.
		And it's how they brought Mike Johnson into a private back room where the deep state started banging on a table, chanting gooblegobble, one of us, until he finally decided to be one of them.
mike johnson ▲ ● ▼		When I was a member of the judiciary, I saw the abuses of the FBI, the terrible abuses over and over and over, the hundreds of thousands of abuses.
		And then when I became Speaker, I went to the SCF and got the confidential briefing from sort of the other perspective on that to understand the necessity of Section 702 of FISA and how important it is for national security.
		And it gave me a different perspective.
		So I encourage all the members to go to the classified briefing and hear all that and see it so they can evaluate the situation for themselves.
		And I think Some opinions have changed both ways, but that's part of the process.
		You've got to be fully informed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		He had seen the FBI abuse the system and spy on innocent people, and all that stuff.
		And then they brought him in the back room, roughed him up a little bit, and he said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, please stop beating me mercilessly, and then decided to side with them and vote in their favor.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Who's the skiff?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that was a joke, by the way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I was kind of claiming what he said was out of context.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The skiff is the confidential room.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a room where you can look at classified stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think he was told when he was, when he, to change his mind?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Look, Mr. Johnson is not new to Congress.
		There is no questioning.
		There was a lot of pressure put on.
		But as you played that clip, and we're talking about national security, national security, for some reason, my thinking flashed to the border.
		We're millions of people across the border and that's not a national security, that's a real national security issue.
		They can throw the card of national security on anything and you put that out there and right away people say, oh well, national security and we can't tell you why, right?
		It's a secret.
		We have to tease apart this deep state and separate them and the only way to do that is transparency.
		We have a, the American people have a right to know why their government makes decisions.
		And too much of it is done in secret.
		Too much of it is done in the name of national security.
		What about the security of the Fourth Amendment?
		What about the security the Constitution offers us, we Americans, to be free from illegal search and seizure?
		To say that you can't take us, you can't take our liberties away unless the court approves of a search.
		That's all gone now.
		The government can do this willy-nilly.
		I went through the bill today, Tim, and it has all these exceptions and this whole structured program.
		That's all baloney.
		They use the opening and do it any way they want, and they can go after anyone they want, and I maintain that the fact that FISA was able to pass, and it's in for another two years, is a disaster for this country because it keeps us under the surveillance state that is against our democracy.
		Now, a Florida congresswoman put a motion to reconsider up, and you know what?
		They're going to have to vote again on it on Monday.
		And that'll be real interesting to see if people stay with their votes or whether they hear from their constituents who say, hey, we don't want the government spying.
		You have to have a warrant to be able to reach into people's stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what's the best way for people to contact their congressman right now?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, call the House of Representatives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They can Google their member of Congress and get the phone number.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		While you were there, like, what's the most just annoying way to get bombarded by your constituents where you're like, fine, I'll listen to you.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Visiting their district offices.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When they're there?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		No.
		You visit the district office of the member of Congress because that's where the people are, where the rubber meets the road.
		You don't get back to Congress unless you pay attention to what's happening in your district.
		And while people make the trek to DC, it's okay if you want to do that, go to the district office.
		Ask to speak to the district director.
		Tell them you're a constituent, and that you're concerned about the government having too much power, about the government being able to spy on Americans, being able to do it without a warrant.
		And you want some accountability, and you want their congressman or woman to stand for the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
		Because ultimately, this is what this is about.
		This is a full-on attack on the U.S.
		Constitution.
		And that Fourth Amendment, it was adopted in 1791.
		Okay, this isn't something new.
		You know, it was put in there because the Brits, you know, would go from house to house, they'd quarter their troops, they'd grab stuff, they'd take it out.
		No, we established the Bill of Rights to stop Americans from being beset by any type of government.
		And now the government, instead of serving the people, is attacking the people.
		And, you know, if you read the Declaration of Independence, and you look at the statement that Jefferson wrote, it was a recitation of all of the abuses of the government at that time, and then it was the government of King George.
		But, you know, King George might be long dead, but the abuses of what happens when a central government becomes More and ever more powerful.
		It has not ended.
		As a matter of fact, with the internet, with digital technology, oh my god!
		I mean we're now, we have surpassed the Orwellian 1984 and we're into this brave new world that Huxley talked about in which the government is the big brother.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is it, and it's more than just, like Tim was saying, it's not just the US government.
		There's greater economic powers at force that are manipulating people.
		I mean, you mentioned Citizens United earlier, which I believe, maybe you can explain it better, gives people, what, unlimited ability to, what does it do exactly, Citizens United?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Essentially, since money equals free speech, Citizens United gave corporations the right to participate in the political process, to use their resources in structured ways, through the creation of super PACs and such.
		And 501c4s to be able to influence elections in a way they couldn't before.
		I mean now it's no, you know, the removal of any restraint on campaign financing has been a disaster for this country.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can a foreign corporation invest?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		No.
		But if they have a U.S.
		subsidiary, sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So through this there are ways in which foreign wealth is funneling money into the U.S.
		election system.
		But to clarify, when I said yes and he said no, his is literal, mine's figurative.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I'm asking more of the broader, like, can they have a charity that's a United States charity that's owned by, yes, a subsidiary essentially, that's dirt.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's not just that, it's that there can be a charity that, or I should say to clarify, there can be a charity where it's an American guy who started it and then China puts a hundred million dollars in it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then depending on what they do and how they do it.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, 501c3s are not permitted to be involved in politics at all, according to the IRS.
		But 501c4s, which have an educational component and a political action component, are permitted.
		Corporations can't contribute to them.
		They can do it anonymously.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sorry to interrupt, you were saying?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		No, go ahead.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That it's more than just the United States government, now it feels like global corporations are just picking apart at our government.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait a minute, you're right!
		This is a very important topic, because when you look back at NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, GATT, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, the creation of the World Trade Organization, okay?
		And China trade.
		All of those trade agreements help to create corporate control, not just in America, but globally, okay?
		The corporations make the rules.
		And in many ways, that's when we began to see a destructive undermining of our rights as Americans when You know, steel, automotive, aerospace, shipping, industries started to go that were tied to people having a decent way of living in this country.
		And the connection with the declining American industrial base, what I call the strategic industrial base, is directly related to the loss of individual freedoms.
		Because you cannot have political freedom if you don't have economic freedom.
		And as people start to lose their economic position, Their political rights are by definition going to be undermined.
		And that's what's happened.
		When I was in Congress, Boeing came into my office asking me to vote on China trade.
		I found out that the reason why they wanted to do that is they were willing to give to China the prototypes of the new aircraft that Boeing was developing.
		And China, of course, got that as part of the deal for entrance into the market.
		If you move your economy over, as we went to China, what are we importing?
		We're importing goods, but we're also importing values.
		And so we become less free.
		We've become less free.
		This is crazy.
		You know, workers' rights, you know, human rights, out the door.
		So I'm, you know, I'm a firm believer that we need to really review where we are as a nation with respect to upholding our basic liberties, because they have been lost over the last 30, 40 years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to ask you, how would you How would you view the Democratic Party today as compared to where it was maybe 20 years ago, 10 years ago?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		There's some major differences, particularly on issues of war.
		Very pro-war.
		Yeah.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		It almost flipped from where it was 20 years ago.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, go ahead, George.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		I was just going to say it almost flipped from where it was 20 years ago.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Right, it did.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		I remember there was nothing but criticism for Afghanistan and Iraq on the Daily Show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then Obama got elected and they stopped caring.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, it wasn't just Obama.
		Let me just say that, you know, I have personal experience in this.
		I mean, I led the effort.
		In organizing votes against the war in Iraq.
		And we had 125 Democrats who voted against the war.
		The party has changed and I think it's a number of reasons why.
		There's a Democrat in the White House, that Democrat has been a hawk for a good part of his, for his entire career.
		And there's fewer and fewer, there's less and less competition among defense industries and the defense industry is the juggernaut that Eisenhower warned about.
		You know, he said be aware of the military-industrial conflict.
		We're there.
		We're there right now.
		And so they basically have control of the White House and the Congress.
		It's been ever thus that the Democratic Party, and I think it's probably true of the Republicans as well, if you have the White House The leadership of the House will generally follow whatever the President wants.
		So this is a problem because the political parties are, there's people in both parties who are favoring war now.
		And it's very dangerous for this country.
		Very dangerous.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So you noticed a conglomeration or, I guess, of military-industrial complex, they were buying each other out and consolidating?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's happened.
		There used to be, you know, multiple people in the defense industry competing.
		Now they keep on getting smaller and smaller.
		I'll tell you what's happening.
		They're jacking up the price of war material.
		And as a result, the taxpayers are paying more and more and more and getting less and less and less.
		When I got to Congress in 97, we had a hearing with the Inspector General on the committee, I was on the Government Reform, and at that point they said that the Pentagon had over a trillion dollars in accounts they hadn't reconciled.
		I found out that the Pentagon, according to this report that we were given, had over 1,100 different accounting systems.
		And it's set so nobody knows what's going on.
		So the money's stolen.
		The American people are getting hosed by this system which takes their money.
		We now spend about a trillion dollars for preparing for war.
		You know, the actual Pentagon plus intelligence.
		And we're driving our country into debt.
		We're in a sense in a position where They create wars to justify their existence?
		This is insane, really.
		And there again, when you have wars, when you have endless wars, or you participate surreptitiously in war, you sow the seeds of the destruction of a nation.
		I mean, you look at the history of ancient Rome.
		We're repeating the same things.
		Empire 800 bases, at least, around the world, Intelligence operatives everywhere, dictating policy in one place and another, you know, that's not what America was about, was supposed to be about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I feel like they used the liberal economic order, which, you know, the military nestled in 1949, they set it up and they used the United States as the figurehead because it was the greatest and the wealthiest country on earth.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Now, the reason it was... We were destroyed after World War II.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We weren't destroyed, we were still powerful, but also because of the ethics of the state allowed us to become the most powerful, quickest, pivoting, moving, awesome place.
		But it's not built to be a war machine.
		It's a liberal, it's supposed to be a place of thoughts and ideas, and it became this place of power and destruction in a lot of ways, and control.
		And now that's why it's faltering.
		These ideals don't function with militaristic autocracy.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		You know, I want to read something if I may.
		This is from a book called The Sorrows of Empire, Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic by Chalmers Johnson, who was also the author of Blowback.
		Now, listen to this.
		This is something that I look at often.
		I wanted to share with you, Tim, and I appreciate the opportunity to do it.
		Hold on, let me just get these glasses here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, through the headphones.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I got it.
		Okay, I'm good.
		I'm good.
		Chalmers Johnson writes, in my opinion, just a quote, the growth of militarism, official secrecy, and a belief that the United States is no longer bound, as the Declaration of Independence so famously puts it, quote, by a decent respect for the opinions of mankind, is probably irreversible so he's saying this growth of militarism official secrecy is irreversible a revolution be required to bring the pentagon back under democratic control or to abolish the central intelligence agency or even a contemplate enforcing article 1 section 9 clause 7 of the constitution
		Which says, no money shall be drawn from the treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law and a regular statement in account of the receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.
		So, you know, what's happening is the people are largely unaware of how their money is being spent.
		It's being generally wasted or stolen.
		And I'll give you an example.
		During the Iraq war, The Coalition Provisional Authority needed money to run their operation.
		A call was made to the Philadelphia Mint, who printed $10 billion in $100 bills, shrink-wrapped into bundles of $75,000 each, put on skids, and sent to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad.
		$10 billion.
		Disappeared.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is, you know, the money, it's like... Well, we're hearing the same thing with Ukraine now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That large portions of the money sent over there is unaccounted for.
unidentified		Well, General Smedley Butler said... That's my dude, let's talk about the business plot, go!
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, he said war is a racket, and it is a racket, and it's a racket which takes the tax dollars of the American people and just blows it.
		People, you know, make, like bandits, Or either in the defense industry, or they just stuff the money in their pockets.
		And so, God knows where that money goes once it goes abroad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And is there a way you can advise us on how we can start a defense contractor so that we can get some of this money?
unidentified		Hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're in the wrong business!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		To answer that question, no.
		I get it.
		I get the liberal economic order.
		It was the least worst system.
		They were like, look, we don't want another world war.
		What Hitler did was horrible, and there should have been oversight to prevent the guy from going genocidal and territorially conquering.
		So they set it up.
		And for 70 years, we haven't had a lot of border conflict.
		More or less, you've got the USSR shattered.
		You've got some stuff in Bosnia, obviously.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is very, very incorrect.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The other option was we didn't do it and it was just inevitable that we would have come to blows with the Soviets.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can pull up the list of 20th century conflict for you, but it was massive.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying a lot of borders didn't change like they were before World War II.
		Countries weren't being taken over, renamed.
		We've had a little general stability for 70 years.
		Horror of war persisted with Vietnam, all sorts of things.
		So, we need something better now.
		I'm just, I just don't want a liberal, a world economic fascist, you know, technocracy.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've moved towards a one world econotechnic system, but look, instead of one great war, which we could still have for those who are interested in war, if you're out there and you want a great war, we've got people in our government right now who are looking to expand war in the Middle East, Looking to expand a war with Russia and would love to have a war with China over Taiwan.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Now, I would submit that while we haven't had the Great War again, we've had what the writer Celine would call death on the installment plan.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, explain.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, all these go back to Iraq, Libya, the war that's been percolating in Syria.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		We now have Yemen.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		These wars are at least a million people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But if we want to keep going back, I mean Afghanistan, we can go back further.
		You've got, you had conflict in Europe, but you've got obviously the Koreas.
		Right, you got the Koreas, Vietnam, very obvious ones.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Lately we've been saying like, when did World War III begin?
		Is World War III this, that, that?
		I'm like, maybe we've just been in a hundred year war.
		And it started in 1914.
		It started in 1913 when the Federal Reserve took control of the country, basically.
		They set us off into the global, the Great War.
		Then it just parlayed into World War II.
		Then the Cold War was just an extension of this global conflict arms race.
		And then now Afghanistan.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's like the US has been the belligerent No, because you're talking about stuff that is really, especially when you're talking about World War I and World War II, it's really focused in Europe.
		Like, what happened with World War I was like the end of, like, feudalism and figuring out which way, like, a lot of the former kingdoms were gonna go.
		And then World War II was, you know, arguably because of the way that the Treaty of Versailles treated Germany after World... I mean, we didn't have to have World War II.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We didn't need I would clarify that and say I think that was how Hitler was able to rally people by saying, oh look at us, we victims.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you had a guy whose brain was fractured.
unidentified		100%.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who was seeking to gain power.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		100%.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I suppose you couldn't have, just generally speaking, probabilistic without the Treaty of Versailles, but I'm reluctant just to say it was Treaty of Versailles that led to World War II explicitly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think largely it's correct.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's fair, but the point stands.
		A lot of times what it sounds like you're articulating is that it's the U.S.
		focused.
		I don't really think that it's the U.S.
		focused.
		As much as post-World War II, yes, because the U.S.
		was left really standing after Europe just annihilated itself.
		Decimated after World War II, you know.
		So I think that the global order that the U.S.
		kind of established in resistance to the Warsaw Pact, that definitely was the U.S.
		But when it comes to like World War I and the first half of the 20th century, I mean, that was a lot of change from feudal systems and older systems, you know, coming into essentially basically catching up to countries that started the Industrial Revolution earlier than they did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I just want to say, you said we didn't really have the wars after the liberal economic order and all that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Didn't have a lot of border changes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the list of wars is... It was limited.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here we go!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It became limited.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The war became limited.
unidentified		This is what you're saying, death on the... Death on the installment plan?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Holy crap, look at these wars!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was, Henry Kissinger called it limited war.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A lot of it is like, you don't want to bomb the capital of the enemy, you don't want to bomb Moscow, you don't want him in Washington, so you fight in these proxies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is just 1945 to 1989.
		What's, how many are here?
		Look at this.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is this all US war?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's global conflict.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I saw this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And this is just from, from 45 to 89.
		And then we got to jump down to a whole different page to go from 90 to 2002.
		And then it's a, look at Yeah, I mean, bro, gotta laugh.
		The liberal economic order has done nothing to prevent these wars.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's no control.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If anything, they've been a party to massive wars.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But it could have been way worse.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We could be with sticks and stones right now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What we're talking about is if there was nuclear proliferation and so granted there was a nuclear proliferation because of the United States and the Warsaw Pact but the United States and the Warsaw Pact had all sorts of proxy wars going on whether it be Charlie Wilson and and the CIA's war against the the Russians in Afghanistan in the 80s or whether it be any number of other Proxy wars or u.s.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Involvement in local local wars or whatever that that stuff has been Consistent since the end of the world war my question I guess for you Dennis is like if we were to dispel the liberal economic order because they want to make a new world order They're tired of this liberal one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They want to make this new world order They keep talking about since the 90s Is there a way to do it, make the world more peaceful?
		But I'm not just talking about peace, because if you completely obliterate the surface of Earth, there will be peace.
		That's not the kind of peace I'm looking for.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you were mentioning the World Health Organization and sovereignty.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		I want to talk about that in a minute, but I'll put a bookmark on that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you think there's an evolution of world order that could be much more peaceful?
		Much more liberty-minded, freedom-minded, with U.S.
		ideals, free speech at the center?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's look at where we are in the United States right now, economically.
		Remember, I offered the observation that you have to have, that unless you're secure economically, it's going to be very difficult to be able to protect political freedoms.
		So what's happening in the U.S.
		right now?
		Real wages are going down.
		Rents, cost of housing, going up.
		Cost of cars, going up.
		Cost of used cars, going up.
		Cost of auto repairs, going up.
		Cost of food, going up.
		Cost of utilities, going up.
		Cost of child care going up.
		Americans are drowning in debt.
		The interest on auto or credit cards for the average American family is about $6,587.
		Mortgage about $6,764.
		$6,587. Mortgage about $6,764. Cost of child care going up used to be 7% of a family budget.
		Dealt with child care, now it's 24%.
		Housing cost a few years ago, 21% of median income.
		That's just over a 10-year period.
		21%, now it's 41%.
		The economic pressures that are on American families right now are extraordinary.
		And in this period, The FISA extension arises, okay?
		People are riveted to their own economic well-being, and I'm saying that with the economy being difficult for very many Americans right now, there is an erosion of political liberty simultaneously.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've visualized evolving our fuel system, because I think a lot of it relies on the cost is going up with the fuel.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Of course it is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And so if we could incorporate hydrogen fuel, I've talked to this graphene scientist, Jim Tuer out of Rice University, said that our methane production lines, you can transport hydrogen fuel through them.
		And so they figured out how to make hydrogen and actually make money.
		Rather than spending money to make hydrogen, they'll They'll take carbon trash, they put it in a vacuum and hit it with electricity, 7,000 degrees, they pulse it with this thing called a flash jewel.
		Let me finish this off for Dennis really quick.
		And then it gives off hydrogen fuel and you get a byproduct of this stuff called graphene.
		It's black powder, pure carbon, you can use it for building materials.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Are there technological evolutions coming along that would change the source of people's energy?
		Yes.
		But right now, here's a headline from a major newspaper, higher gas and rents keep inflation Elevated, okay?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there's something simple to be said about the strength of corporations internationally.
		If you are of the opinion that there are international corporations controlling our political system,
		what do you think happens to the guy who says, hey, I've got a revolutionary new energy system that will
		displace the current...
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They usually kill him, but I don't want to displace it.
		I don't want to displace it.
		I want to keep using the oil and turning it into graphene.
		So we keep using, we can even improve, we can increase our oil production and increase our coal production and turn it into this stuff.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Right now we have all of the technology to solve all of our power problems currently exists and they're using it in France.
		You can look at the way that France takes care of their power problems and the way that Germany takes care of their power problems and you see a significant difference because France in the 70s or whatever, was it 70s when they started doing the nuclear program?
		France went nuclear in the 70s and when everything was kicking off with Ukraine and everyone was talking about the pipeline that got blown up and stuff.
		France wasn't worried about it.
		Germany was terrified.
		Germany was worried about cost.
		Germany was worried about where they're going to get power from, how they're going to do it, blah, blah, blah.
		France didn't worry about it because France is like, we got nuclear.
		And France has a modern electronic or electrical production facility or system in their country.
		And the United States could do that.
		But the United States has been implementing policies, making it extremely difficult to open up new nuclear power plants.
		And if we change that, We can greatly decrease any of the negative effects of significant increases in gas prices or oil prices because oil is going to be something that we need all the time because oil is in everything we make, everything we use.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's plastic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Everything.
		Everything.
		Fertilizer.
		Oil is why we can feed the 8 billion people on earth.
		If it wasn't for oil and fertilizers that are petrochemicals, we wouldn't be able to sustain the 8 billion people that we have.
		And we have less hunger on earth than at any time in human history ever, and it's all because of oil.
unidentified		Sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you have to consider energy return on energy invested and how that relates to population expansion as well as population sustainability.
		So, if for every unit of energy, calorie I suppose, that is required to extract oil, I'm going to give a total hypothetical because I don't know the actual, it's called EROEI, Energy Return on Energy Invested.
		Let's say that for every one unit of energy you invest, you get back ten with oil.
		That means one person working is gonna help produce enough energy to sustain ten people.
		Total hypothetical.
		These numbers aren't real, I'm just saying.
		Now, with all other fuel sources, I think nuclear energy is actually better than oil.
		Well, the issue is with something like hydrogen, if the energy invested is like one to three, you absolutely could implement a new energy system, but if its energy density is still not comparable to oil or nuclear, then this will result in an energy deficit.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or if it was a thousandth of a cost, it may only be three times the benefit, but it would cost you- That's literally what I just said.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Energy return on energy invested.
		Cost is a reference to how much energy a person needs to put into a system to get energy back from it.
		And if the cost for oil is one to 10, but for hydrogen is one to three, then you are talking about sustainability issues where you're investing in something that generates less energy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Except you actually get money out of making hydrogen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not about money.
		We're talking about- You get byproduct of graphene.
		And that's meaningless.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's product.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What we're talking about is, at the root of what is money backed by, we're talking about energy, and energy comes in multiple forms.
		So, energy, when humans lived in caves and in fields, energy is human output.
		If a human eats food, how much energy can a human produce?
		Humans then said, okay, we're gonna take animals, then took animals, and now all of a sudden, you can invest energy as a human into taming a beast, but that beast can now pull ten times
		the weight.
		So, instead of one person lifting a rock, one person tames a beast who lifts a rock.
		Then we started burning things with wood, then coal.
		Energy density started increasing, and the energy return on energy invested started going up exponentially.
		We discover petroleum and how to start manipulating this to gasoline and other petrochemicals and all of a sudden energy return on energy invested skyrockets like one to a hundred and this results in of course massive population boom because now one person can produce enough food for a hundred people.
		If you were to switch off that system and go to a lower energy density, it correlates
		with a difficulty in stability.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You can boil it down to how much energy is produced, can be figured out into how many
		humans that much energy can support.
		Or you can say, how many humans do we have, and figure out how much energy you need to
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		produce to accept it.
		And we can dramatically simplify it to when Greta Thunberg said, we will not wait till
		We must get rid of fossil fuels now!
		I'll be clear, I love- Sixty-some-odd million people die in three days because of fossil fuels.
		I love oil.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love the oil fuel system.
		I have no interest in shutting it down.
		I want to augment it and evolve it into a hybrid system, utilizing hydrogen as well.
		And when it comes to the energy production, I'm with you on nuclear.
		It's badass.
		But the problem is it's fuel.
		There's three elements that we can use for fuel that we know of right now.
		Hydrogen, carbon, and plutonium.
		And fuel means that you can carry it around with you.
		I don't think you're correct.
		This is what Jim Tour told me, the scientist at Rice University.
		There's only three types of fuel.
		Hydrogen, carbon, and plutonium.
		Are you saying hydrocarbons and plutonium to create heat?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So are you saying that hydro, so are you saying hydrocarbons and plutonium to create heat?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Are you saying- Fuel means that you can carry it around in a container.
		It's got, and it's- Whereas a windmill doesn't have fuel, it's just an energy
		production source, so these nuclear plants are like that.
		So plutonium's a challenging fuel because it's so radioactive, which leaves us with hydrogen and carbon.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, you're just throwing nuclear away.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		As a fuel source, like in your car, if you had a plutonium battery in your car, we could be risky at this stage.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All plutonium does is just runs a steam engine.
		All of them do that.
		Photovoltaic yeah, I mean so fair enough, but but but it doesn't matter so much how you're storing the energy It's how you're producing it because I mean you can the nuclear power that we had that we can produce right we don't have in the u.s.
		But the types of nuclear power that we can produce that we have the tech But currently the technology exists to produce can absolutely take care of all of our problems and the tech again the technology is there So really the only thing holding it up is like the EPA or the actual is you all is the EPA that does nuclear?
		nuclear or is it the atomic energy? But it's the it's US regulation, right?
unidentified		What would you say would be the first step? Let me just say that you know I'm
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		familiar with and interacted with debates on many different types of
		energy. With respect to nuclear, the first plant in the US I think was in 51, 52 in Michigan.
		The technology that has developed has not come to the point of where, what do you do with the spent fuel rocks?
		This is something that they haven't really figured out other than they keep them in place, okay?
		That's the off-put and the economics remain ...variable and somewhat difficult to negotiate because when nuclear was first developed it was supposed to provide energy too cheap to meter and in some cases it drove up the cost.
		We have, I think, about over 90 or more nuclear plants in America.
		Many of them are operating past their stage of licensure.
		The reactor vessels become embrittled when they are moving past that stage, which then brings up some safety issues.
		Now, there's been... France, for example... Did I allend that correctly, though?
		France used smaller reactors and provided... and were integrated across the country.
		You know, to me, I haven't been a fan, frankly, of nuclear energy, but it's part of the energy mix.
		Sure.
		And you can't get rid of it just like that, any more than the hydrocarbon energy.
		There's some people say, we'll get rid of it all.
		That's not realistic at all.
		If we're going to use nuclear, we have to make sure it's safe.
		If we're going to use hydrocarbon energy, we have, we've got to make sure that certain steps are taken to try to minimize environmental damage.
unidentified		Yeah.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's our responsibility as stewards of the earth.
		What I think, we want to encourage innovation and research to take us to energy which will have a lower impact but at the same time be able to produce a greater degree of energy per unit.
		Now, you know, there's smarter people than I am that are looking at ways to do that.
		But, you know, the thing that I'm most concerned about is when we have made as a matter of national strategy in the united states to wed our state policy and our pentagon policy with our energy policy which then makes the control of energy markets part of our political direction using military
		That's a problem and that sets us on the path towards war.
		There's no one who can convince me that oil wasn't one of the reasons why we knocked off Saddam Hussein.
		There's no one who can convince me that oil wasn't one of the factors in knocking off Gaddafi.
		Oil remains a major issue in the Middle East and relationships are built around access to oil.
		People look the other way when international law is being violated.
		If oil is a marker.
		So, you know, this is a very complex argument, and I like to go back to, you know, is there a way that any one of us can lessen our carbon footprint and do our part and not deprive future generations of whatever we have left?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it was nuclear, but surprisingly, hydroelectric is one of the highest Interesting, but it's not a fuel source.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem with these base stations.
		They're great, but the fuel... We figured out how to pull the carbon dioxide out of the air and turn it into graphene, which is a building material.
		This thing, you can make electronics out of it.
		It's pure carbon.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to hear more about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating.
		Let me give you a real simple one.
		Modern batteries and phones are using, uh, I forgot what they're called.
		Do you want to go look this up?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Lead acid?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, like graphene polymer, lithium graphene batteries.
		So, uh, by putting a graphene layer through the battery, it's very conductive, and it allows a more even and rapid charge.
		So, ten years ago, when I was working in field journalism, I'd have to buy these batteries from the electronics store, these big batteries that you could plug into the wall, and it would take two hours to charge it to full.
		But that battery could hold ten cell phone charges.
		So if I had three of those, I could run my cell phone all day.
		Filming, uploading, no problem.
		Now what they have are these graphene, lithium graphene batteries, which can hold... We bought a bunch.
		One little battery holds two full cell phone charges, and it can charge in ten minutes.
		So you pull this thing out of the drawer and you go, oh, I forgot to charge it.
		You plug it in, 10 minutes, boom, you got two full cell phone charges.
		Your phone doesn't charge nearly as fast, but that's just one simple example.
		They're using graphene in batteries, and I imagine it's gonna advance into smart cars, or into electric cars.
		And so we may come to the point where you pull up your electric car, it's at 10%, you pull up to a gas pump now to get rid of, you know, if gas out of the picture, you plug it in and you watch the battery go, My pants are made of like 10% graphene, these pants are spandex and graphene.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's a building, it's more electrically conductive than copper, it's stronger than steel by weight, by 200 times stronger than steel by weight.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's what it is, it looks like a honeycomb, it's a two-dimensional honeycomb lattice of carbon.
unidentified		So okay, so where is it, you know, how is that produced, what you just There's multiple ways to make it out of the carbon dioxide.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		One of them is called chemical vapor deposition, and you would do that by taking like a strip of copper in a vacuum and putting gas in there.
		I think it's maybe argon.
		There's different gases that they'll use for chemicals.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		So it's a precipitate of some kind?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A condensation, technically, yeah.
		And then the carbon dioxide will fall onto the copper, and then you pull it off like a strip of it.
		There are other ways as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need, before this becomes ubiquitous, we need mass production in uniformity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's where we're not.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And what's going to happen is people are going to adopt this, and then they're going to start pulling so much carbon dioxide out of the air that we may end up competing with trees and destroying our ecosystem if we're not careful.
		So we need to do a global coalition to clean up our atmosphere.
		And everyone's going to want a piece.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what's going to happen.
		What's going to happen is graphene production is going to ramp up.
		They're going to be using it for everything.
		It's going to be a metal material.
		It's going to be used in so many different things.
		Batteries, superconductors, energy storage.
		And then what's going to happen is climate change will cease to be a talking point in the media.
		And then you're going to get a bunch of eco-activists being like, we need carbon!
		We need carbon!
		And then they're going to go to Ian and be like, these graphene industrialists are destroying the planet and they're causing super cooling.
		And then some hippie guy in a show is going to be like, there's this new substance which replenishes the carbon in the atmosphere, I'm telling you it's the way to go, we have to do it now!
		And then someone else is going to be like, dude, every time there's a crisis of invention, someone invents something to solve the crisis.
		There's not gonna be super cooling.
		Some dude's gonna invent something.
		So, like, right now, what Ian's basically saying is two steps ahead of the problem.
		We got climate change.
		Oh, no, too much carbon.
		Well, in ten years, it might be too little.
		But when you start complaining about too little carbon, someone else is gonna be like, dude, you don't understand.
		In ten years, it's gonna be too much again.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so, so, Tim.
		You know, the thing that I think ought to be looked at, and it's something that my wife Elizabeth works on, is regenerative agriculture.
		You know, the carbon's up there, how do you pull it down?
		You pull it down through agriculture.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Big towers?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Through improving the soil microbiome, and it holds more carbon.
		That's it.
		You know, I mean, we can... Plants.
		Agriculture is a path.
		towards dealing with the challenges of high levels of atmospheric carbon.
		And I mean this is something that needs to be done nationally and I think we're on a threshold of more and more people being involved in that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's do a complete 180 and talk about this from SCNR.
		West Virginia, Mississippi to defy three-year-old voter access executive order from Biden.
		West Virginia Secretary of State said, we will emphatically not give up our state's duty to register voters to the federal government, nor will we accept voter registration forms collected by federal agents.
		March 7th, 2021.
		Shout out to TimCast members.
		This was on the TimCast IRL member show that this was brought up to us.
		Executive order.
		Do you guys know who, which user it was?
		You want to pull the name up?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I forget her name, but it was, uh, Shane Childred retweeted it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of you find it, and then I'll read this.
		This is an executive order from March 7th, 2021, which says, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution of the United States of America, I hereby order as follows.
		The right to vote is a foundation of American democracy.
		Free and fair elections that reflect the will of the people must be protected and defended.
		But many Americans, especially people of color, confront significant obstacles to exercising that fundamental right.
		These obstacles include difficulties with voter registration, lack of elected information, and barriers to access polling places.
		Blah blah blah blah blah.
		You think I was gonna say a bunch of critical race theory stuff and woke stuff?
		Now here's where it gets interesting.
		He says the head of each agency shall evaluate ways in which the agency can, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, promote voter registration and voter participation.
		The effort shall include the consideration of ways to provide relevant information, facilitate seamless transition of agencies' websites, distributing voter registration and vote-by-mail ballot application forms, and providing access to applicable state online, yada yada.
		Where it gets really interesting is, I believe, Section 5.
		Whether consistent with applicable law, any identity documents issued by the agency to members of the public can be issued in a form that satisfies state voter identification laws.
		To simplify, agency is defined legally in this executive order as any federal executive office, except a couple of them, but for the most part, any one of them.
		This executive order says agencies will start sending out voter registration forms and mail-in voting applications to people in various states, and then it will help them produce IDs to get them to vote.
		This is the federal government directly intervening in state-level registration processes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was Dancing Okapi that brought it up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now this is where it's important.
		Texas said, when the Social Security Administration released these huge numbers every other week, hundreds of thousands of people registering to vote without IDs, Texas says, we have no idea what you're talking about, this is not true.
		It may be the federal government collecting these IDs, and that makes me substantially more concerned these are illegal immigrants that are registering to vote.
		And I didn't think that at first, when we saw, let me pull up the HAVV, So, this is the Help America Vote Verification.
		Are you familiar with this, Dennis?
		So, what we've found, and what's been going around, let's grab the latest from March 30th and we can see if Texas' numbers are here.
		are here. 225,000 verification requests, 190,000 matches.
		Texas says this is clearly wrong, we don't know what this is.
		Well, now we may know what it is.
		It may be, and again, not sure, but if Texas is saying, their Secretary of State said, we do not know what this number is, it's clearly an error.
		Or it could be, the federal government has been registering people to vote, and taking those forms, and requesting information from the SSA to verify the numbers are in the database.
		It may be the federal government has not yet delivered these registrations to the state, which is where we end up with this story from SCNR, when West Virginia says, we will not accept voter registration forms collected by federal agents.
		It may be that they've collected millions and have not yet turned them into the state.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's go back to the Constitution.
		Earlier we had a discussion about how the Fourth Amendment is being violated by FISA and how FISA ought to be struck down because the Fourth Amendment has to take precedence.
		Now here, we're looking at the Tenth Amendment.
		And, well, those who watch your show are familiar with it.
		I'll just read it.
		Again, the Tenth Amendment, adopted the same year that the Fourth Amendment was, the Bill of Rights, in 1791.
		The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
		This is an area that the states are responsible for.
		The federal government doesn't have a proper role in this.
		And so West Virginia and Mississippi are insisting on the 10th Amendment rights that the states have.
		Now there's another thing here, Tim.
		I don't want to see, you know, Social Security is one thing, but I don't want to see anything that's tantamount to a national identification card.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Agreed 100%.
unidentified		Oh, but real ID is here.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		I know, but I'm saying there's a danger there.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's a privacy issue and it's also an issue of the government gathering in a central database information about everyone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I actually already have my national ID card.
		I'm not going to show it on air, but it's here in my wallet.
		It is issued by the United States Department of State and it is a North American identification card.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I don't want to... I know they're moving towards that in order to be able to use, to travel by air, for example.
		But, you know, I just want to say that this, to me, a national ID card, demanding it across the country, I find that the government, once again, gaining too much power I interrupted you, Tim.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What did you have?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have a federal ID.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what is it exactly?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a U.S.
		passport card.
		It's an ID issued by the federal government that is good in Canada and Mexico.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I got the same thing.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		But it's one thing to elect to do that.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		To make it mandatory is another thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But how do you make it mandatory?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't.
		I mean, you could by ordering it.
		The government could order it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But they don't need to do it.
		What they'll do is, whenever somebody gets a passport or an ID, they'll ask you, hey, would you like this one as well?
		It's much more convenient.
		And look at what they're doing in Australia right now.
		You know what's going on in Australia?
		They're eliminating cash from banks.
		You go to a bank now and they, we can't give you any cash, sorry.
		Why?
		Nobody uses it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're actually removing ATMs, as far as I can tell, according to the news.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		A thousand, I don't know how many, but from eastern... Well, if you eliminate cash, and then you move to, let's say, a federal... Digital currency.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Central bank digital currency.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Bad news.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Just, again, a form of tyranny.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And what if the power goes out?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What do they think is going on?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then they own you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you will say, please, sir, can I have another piece of bread?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ian, they don't care.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		See, if you don't have, you know, you mentioned, was it you, Phil, mentioned the creation of Federal Reserve?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, Ian was talking about it.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, starting with the creation of Federal Reserve, which privatized the money supply and put the banks in charge of it.
		It's interesting, the same year was when the government created the federal income tax.
		So it used to be that the government could meet its needs without going into debt.
		Then the government created debt, and money became debt, and the income tax was a way of retiring it, and then you have people who are paying their money into a system, and it requires more and more taxes to feed this growing military machine.
		This is a bad system.
		So what I'm getting at is that we have a moment of reckoning coming in the United States over who are we as a nation.
		You know, if you go back to, as I mentioned earlier, go back to the Declaration of Independence, it's very clear that right at the beginning Jefferson said, look, you know, we have a right to change the kind of government we have and just because this is basically the form that we've had for all these years doesn't mean it's not time to inspect the basic terms under which this government exists and that we not
		Be forced to accept as it's evolving in a direction which denies our constitutional rights that have been around for hundreds of years and which puts us as widgets in a larger machine.
		I'm, you know, and it deals with our money.
		And the impact of the Federal Reserve on the creation of debt with their being able to create money out of nothing and give it to institutions like banks that therefore create a wider wealth gap in the country.
		It goes to the government not having any fiscal integrity and pyramiding the debt past $34 trillion.
		It goes to the way in which government spends the money it has.
		Endless wars.
		It's globalization plus debt plus war equals the end of the United States.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I keep thinking a lot about a convention of states, but the danger of that, too.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a nightmare today.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so how do we change the government?
		Obviously, I don't want to change the Bill of Rights.
		That's not the government I want to change.
		So how do you do it?
		I mean, peacefully, how do you do it?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I mean that's, you know, peacefully.
		How do we do it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is it a convention of states?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		At some point there is going to have to be.
		However, as you implicitly stated, there's a problem given the way the government's controlled these days.
		So I think, you know, the American people We all love our country.
		I mean, the reason why I served in Congress for 16 years and why I served in government at various levels, I love America.
		I still, even with all that we talk about here, I still get a certain feeling when I see the American flag go by during a parade.
		I love this country!
		And it might even seem Pollyannish when I say this, but the country that I have intentionally in my head, Is not the country that actually exists today.
		And so how do we put a vision of the country of our dreams together with the country that is?
		There's a lot of work to be done.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think one of the big challenges we're facing right now outside of that is the hyperpolarization which you brought up early on.
		And I gotta be honest, I don't see a path towards reconciliation.
		I don't see it being possible.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, Franklin Roosevelt talked about the science of human relations, and I'll tell you what it is.
		As I said, I served 16 years in Congress.
		Members of Congress have to treat each other as individuals, not as members of a party, not as liberal conservative or whatever, and that is failing to happen.
		So political parties gain power through polarization.
		I'll tell you, here's how it works.
		People want some inside view of Congress.
		So if you're a Democrat, you go to your Democratic caucus meetings and they talk about three things.
		They talk about raising money, the latest polls, and how bad the Republicans are.
		Now here's the difference between the two parties.
		The Republicans talk about, in their conference, talk about Raising money, the latest polls, and how bad the Democrats are.
		It's the difference between the two parties.
		The two parties engage in this polarization in order to gain power and to gain control.
		The reason why I want to go to Congress is to create an opening here that changes the discussion and shows people there's another path.
		That shows people we can address each other as individuals and not just as exponents of a political ideology or party.
		And you don't do it by judging people.
		It's the worst thing that happens in Congress when people start to judge each other by virtue of a label or ideology and don't get to know each other as individuals.
		You know, in some ways it's like a big high school.
		Democrats on one side, Republicans on the other.
		Well, imagine if one Independent was there who had an approach that wasn't polarizing, that looked for the commonalities.
		Because we do have a lot in common as Americans.
		We have to put country above party.
		And that's what I hope to do.
		But country above party.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that puts you squarely on the right.
		So the world we're living in, I grew up Chicago liberal, and now the media endlessly calls me far-right, even though I'm a traditional Democrat pro-choice.
		I am not libertarian on taxes or police.
		I'd probably say I'm fairly liberal.
		On the political compass, I'm probably, and based on actual more philosophies, described as traditional or social liberal, not classical liberal, but leaning libertarian.
		And that's conservative these days.
		So me saying things like, oh yeah, this country's had problems with racist institutions, and now the solution is rooted in class and not race, that's a right-wing position.
		Meanwhile, at the same time, you have people on the right who are completely opposed to everything I just said, staunch pro-life individuals who will come on this show, shake hands with me, break bread with me, and I've had crazy heated arguments.
		With people who are staunchly pro-life.
		A good friend of ours, Seamus Coghlan, in fact, who's coming, he'll be back here in about a week, is absolutist pro-life, ban abortion in all capacities.
		And we disagree, and we hang out, we get along, and we have a shared vision of, despite this agreement, finding a compromise.
		Then we bring in a progressive, a liberal or a democrat, and they call me pro-life.
		Even though my position is the traditional, probably closer to like the Roe v. Wade position, Then anything else doesn't matter.
		That is far right right now.
		So the challenge that we that that I see is we can talk about, say, like the Burisma scandal.
		I like using this example.
		Joe Biden saying at the I believe was it was it was a council on foreign relations meeting where he's sitting down and he says, I went to the prosecutor and said, if you don't, I'm sorry, I went to the president said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, knocking the billion dollars.
		You bring that to a Democrat and they say, that never happened.
		And I'm like, well here's the video of it happening.
		I'm not a conservative, I'm just... And they say, you're a conservative for believing that.
		I don't understand how we could find reconciliation.
		Or the common ground stuff's fairly obvious, like we all agree, hey Julian Assange shouldn't be prosecuted.
		There are some establishment pro-war people.
		But then it comes to issues like war, for instance.
		And I say something like, if you are anti-war, your best bet right now, functionally, is Donald Trump.
		You don't have to like Donald Trump, you don't have to think he's got a domestic policy, but if your core principles are war is bad, Even, even Dave Smith, staunch libertarian, uh, who was potentially going to be a libertarian candidate, says, no, Trump is bad on war, he was increasing drone strikes, he was reducing transparency, and then I made the point, and he still set a timeline for withdrawing out of, getting out of Afghanistan, he still set a timeline, uh, he tried to get our troops out of Syria, was lied to, and even Dave Smith says, man, like, the incremental argument is correct.
		Donald Trump was better, no new wars, there were still problems with foreign policy, but better than all the rest.
		You'll still get Democrats and liberals who are anti-war but would support the Clintons, Joe Biden, expansion of war in Ukraine, and they would justify it.
		Hassan Piker is a great example.
		I love saying his name because of how it freaks them out.
		But he simultaneously holds the position that the military-industrial complex is bad, but that we should also be funding them to fight a war in Ukraine.
		There's just a fracture of worldview that I don't think can be mended because it seems to be rooted in, do you believe the corporate narrative or do you believe the truth?
		And if you believe the truth, then you are right-wing.
		And if you believe the corporate narrative, you are left-wing.
		So it's not even a function of your political values anymore.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		I think over the years any one of us, you know, I will tell you the things that I'm talking about today are pretty much the things I've been talking about throughout my political career.
		Now, years ago I may have been labeled one way and now today I may be labeled another.
		I'm the same person.
		But I want to go underneath that.
		You know, in the House of Representatives, Above the floor of the house, there's a canopy of a very large eagle spread with its wings spread across the floor, you know, across the house.
		It's etched in glass.
		It's really a beautiful sight.
		And whenever I look at it, I'm reminded that that American eagle needs two wings to fly, okay?
		And it also needs a heart and a brain.
		And so I hope to be able to bring a perspective that respects the views of everyone, but tries to find the connective tissue that keeps us together as a nation, tries to appeal to our heart and to our head as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But to me, based on modern politics, it sounds like you're just a Republican.
		That pitch, which I respect completely, and I think an independent Congress could be tremendously powerful and effective, I still think the end result is your position is still going to be viewed as right-wing.
		The argument that we get from progressive activists, and not so much your typical Democrat, they tend to be more establishment, corporatist, but so are the Republicans.
		I'm not trying to say they're not.
		But when it comes to the younger activist base, and this is where we're heading with the splitting, the polarization is very much based in demographic, If you are not with us, you're against us.
		If you are a centrist, you're actually right-wing.
		A common trope of the left is to criticize anybody who's saying what you are doing as someone who is right-wing.
		The example being there's a meme where there's the Klan and black people on each side.
		And the Klan is saying, holding up signs saying they want to kill black people, and the black people are saying we just want civil rights, and the centrist in the middle is holding up a sign saying compromise.
		Well, that's not realistic.
		That's not what, obviously, an independent or a moderate is trying to do.
		We're trying to say, oh, the people on the right are concerned about the border, the people on the left are concerned about asylum seekers, where's the compromise?
		But there's a reason why a show like this, which is wide-ranging in political views, it's 80% conservatives who come on the show.
		Why is that?
		Liberals refuse to come on the show.
		100% refuse.
		And when they do come on the show, they take as most ridiculous positions one could possibly imagine.
		So I'll give you an example.
		We invite Marianne Williamson.
		Are you familiar with Marianne?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		I know Marianne very well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think she's very nice, a very nice, lovely, genuine person.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But she was completely ignorant on a whole wide range of issues that she was advocating for.
		For instance, when the issue of censorship came up in books in schools, she said, I think it's wrong the Republicans are trying to get these books out of schools.
		I said, okay.
		So we showed her a few examples and she nearly cried.
		When she saw the gratuitous sex and the overt racism, she was nearly in tears and she said, I didn't know that they were doing this.
		Well, right.
		Now that you do, you're probably going to agree with us these books are bad, and when we say school curriculum should not include graphic sexual depictions for children, teaching them how to do horrible things, you'll probably agree with us.
		But then that would mean she's a conservative now, she's abandoned that left position.
		We bring on someone else who's, say, a progressive, who's more of an activist than, say, like a middle-of-the-road Marianne Williamson, and they say things like, a woman should be allowed to get an abortion at the point of birth.
		I don't see a... But that's what Colorado has.
		Colorado has passed a bill removing all restrictions, meaning abortion can be performed at the point of birth.
		They call them partial... And of course, the left always argues, that never happens, that never happens.
		Sure, but why make it legal, as rare as it may be?
		But this is a practice where, quite literally, as the baby is being born, they cut the spinal column, killing it.
		You had the statement from former Governor Northam of Virginia, where he said, in response to a similar bill introduced by a state representative, or a state senator, a legislator, the baby would be delivered, made comfortable, and then the parent, the doctor, could decide what to do with it.
		As if to imply, the baby was already delivered, and then you would decide to kill it.
		Oklahoma, on the other hand, has completely banned abortion in every capacity, or to a great degree.
		Now you have Arizona, of course, upholding their law, which bans abortion in almost every capacity.
		So in Congress, you run into this.
		The Republicans right now are screaming at Trump, saying you've abandoned the pro-life position by saying states rights.
		Which is kind of nuts because that's been the Republican position for my whole life.
		But now that they've won on Roe v. Wade, Republicans have now gone the exact route everyone expected.
		It's federal ban on abortion.
		We need the ban on abortion federally.
		Trump says no.
		We're where we want to be.
		The states should have it.
		And we even have super chats, people commenting, saying Trump has abandoned the issue.
		I fear that you'll find yourself between Republicans and Democrats, and the Republicans are going to say something like abortion is murder and should be banned, and the Democrats are going to say a woman has a right to choose at any point, even the point of birth.
		Well, what do you do there?
		You know, I know these are typically like hypercultural or wedge issues, but these tend to be the deep cultural issues that are, I suppose, taking the forefront of people's lives.
		Now, obviously, immigration is the much bigger issue.
		Immigration affects us economically.
		It's affecting our cities, our crime rates, everything.
		Well, what do we have?
		Donald Trump, build the wall, secure the border.
		Joe Biden, we're going to effectively codify the administration of crossing the border without checkpoint.
		The bill that they proposed, which Biden referred to as a border security bill, and then duplicitously said on TV, would strengthen the border.
		Would actually just allow CBP to adjudicate many of these claims on their own.
		It would, in essence, create a streamlined path for the people who are entering the country illegally.
		Now you have Democrats in Chicago, New York, and other big cities very upset over this massive outpouring and surge of illegal immigrants in the country.
		But the typical younger progressive and left-leaning position is, let them do it.
		Support them.
		Don't deport them for any reason.
		To where we're getting now.
		We have one story we didn't get into, but a Venezuelan illegal immigrant tried to rob, they say, according to this report, he's an illegal immigrant, tried to rob a bank, couldn't speak English.
		We're seeing, you know, crime, typically the Lake and Riley murder, for instance.
		How do you reconcile two distinctly opposed, hyper-polarized worldviews?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		That's a very important question.
		It's not that we have to agree with each other.
		I mean, the essence of our system is that it's structured so there's going to be a diversity of opinion.
		I mean, the whole First Amendment, freedom of speech, underpins the right of free expression and say what you think.
		That's who we are as Americans.
		It's the capacity to be able to listen to each other and to try to find out where the heart, the frame of reference is for someone.
		And then you call the roll.
		That's it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me try a difficult question for you.
		We've had this question asked many times and I'll keep it simple.
		Do you believe an unborn baby is a person?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Metaphysically, but the metaphysics are not necessarily enshrined in the law, and the law has provided, state by state, the point at which an abortion can be executed.
		But let me just say this.
		Let's go back into another question of what I think.
		Would I ever counsel anyone to have an abortion?
		The answer to that is no, I would not.
		But so, to get to the root of where I'm going with this, it's not necessarily about your personal politics, but it's a question of, so your position is the states will adjudicate... Well, I'll go one step further, that there's a point at which a woman and her doctor have to make a decision, but I'm not for telling anyone you just want to have an abortion, go ahead.
		I think that we need a culture Which is sensitive to life, which I think we ought to have prenatal care, postnatal care, child care.
		Things that make it possible for a life to blossom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But are there certain circumstances in which you think it is the choice of the woman and discussing with her doctor whether to have an abortion or not?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I agree.
		I consider myself to be like the traditional Democrat pro-choice, which is probably like I was saying before the show, like my family, they were big fans of yours back in the day.
		Safe, legal, rare.
		There's a challenge in where the government can intervene.
		But this isn't the point.
		Our belief is not where I'm going with this.
		Where I'm going with this is Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, which in the secondary clause it says, No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protections of the laws.
		So, the 14th Amendment says you can't deprive a person of life, liberty, or property without due process.
		Pro-lifers, people who oppose abortion, unequivocally believe that babies are persons.
		That they are distinct human beings who should not be killed.
		Now, we can have an argument about viability, and this was a big point of Roe v. Wade, at what point is the baby dependent upon the mother and then viable and able to survive on its own?
		The question then becomes, when it comes to abortion, with many blue states legalizing up to the point of birth unrestricted abortion at any point based on a private decision, the question I often ask the progressives and the Democrats is, why kill the baby?
		If a woman is eight months pregnant, and then the response is, it's rare, it's rare, it's rare.
		I'm not saying it's not rare, okay?
		Let's say it happens one time.
		Why create a legal pathway for which a woman could have a healthy baby at eight months, not want to have it anymore, and kill it?
		I don't quite understand that logic.
		Ultimately, what I'm getting to with this is, There is no compromise at the state level for when a person is allowed to kill a person, right?
		This is not something the states can answer.
		I disagree with Trump.
		I disagree with the right on the state's rights question.
		I initially, when they were coming towards overturning Roe v. Wade, thought maybe it is better that it'll be at the state level so that we can have this Federalist view of the states will do what they want.
		And then I actually started reading a bit more about it.
		Seamus made some good arguments about abortion, and I said, at this point, my position is the Supreme Court must issue a ruling on whether or not the unborn are persons.
		Because we are dealing now with a constitutional question of, can a state decide when to kill a person without due process?
		The question at hand is, are the unborn persons?
		That needs to be answered by the federal government, not the states.
		The idea to me that Colorado can say, they're not people, and then just kill them, is too akin to slavery.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, if the Supreme Court gets to that point, it would have the same impact that Roe v. Wade had had.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's why, I don't know if I completely agree with the ruling on Roe v. Wade, because it basically just Allowed for abortion to happen in certain like it basically made states that didn't want to have it have to have it.
		And so but there is still an issue of.
		The root of this is not the abortion argument.
		The root of this is, you have many states where they are saying they are killing people, it is genocide.
		You have other states saying, no it's not, it's fine, they're not people.
		And we are now finding ourselves in a hyper-polarized position where in this country, for the second time, or maybe not even the second time but, You know, many times this happens, an argument between two dominant political factions as to whether a living entity is legally distinct as a person with legal rights under the Constitution.
		And the Democrat side argues, if you are not born, and this is up to the point of birth, I mean, Colorado is a great example, but we're looking at Washington, Oregon, these states, they're removing the restrictions saying, Even if the baby could survive on its own, it is still not a person so long it is within the mother and she does have a right to kill it.
		And then you have the red states going the other direction saying, we're just trying to ban abortion completely and at any point a baby cannot be killed.
		And so I don't know if that's the right answer, but the point is simply this.
		I don't know how we can reconcile this question of, does a state have a right to kill a living entity?
		Does a state have a right to argue whether a human life is alive or not alive or worthy of constitutional protections?
		I don't see an answer to that question.
		And it's getting pretty intense.
		In the 90s, of course, we had moderate compromise of, OK, fine, you know, up to 15 weeks.
		And then you had Roe v. Wade.
		And then you had the other.
		There was another court ruling.
		But now we're at the point where Colorado has no restrictions.
		Oklahoma is totally abandoned.
		So we're getting to that point where you could have a woman in Oklahoma, you know, you have a woman and a man in Oklahoma.
		She's pregnant.
		She's seven months pregnant.
		The baby is now viable, can survive on its own.
		But she realizes this guy's bad for whatever reason.
		Maybe he's an abuser.
		Maybe he's not.
		But let's just say she says, I can't do this relationship.
		I can't have a child with this man.
		She can't get an abortion in Oklahoma, so she flees to Colorado, where the doctor says, and advocacy groups, and activists, and they provide guard for her, and they say, we will get you this abortion.
		The man then says, help, for the love of God, she's going to kill my child, please, someone won't you help me?
		And then we enter this hyper-polarized worldview, where the man says, it is a baby that can survive on its own, and she will kill it.
		And the woman says, no, it's a fetus in my womb.
		It doesn't matter that it can survive on its own.
		That seems to me like a recipe for disaster and something that cannot be reconciled.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, should there be reverence for life?
		Yes, there should be.
		Now, I'll share with you a personal experience that I had.
		Years ago, my kid sister, who is now deceased, so I feel free to talk about this, came to me.
		She said, Dennis, I'm pregnant.
		What do I do?
		She was 18 years old.
		And I advised her to have the baby and then to give it up because she wasn't in a position where she could care for this child.
		Absolutely couldn't do it.
		She had the child and gave it up and years later met her son.
		Having experiences from a personal family level, I think we have to work to create a society that gives people the ability to make informed choices within the context of laws that support people at various positions of a pregnancy.
		I supported Roe v. Wade.
		And still do, except it's not the law anymore.
		But I think that we, I will say it again, that we need to create a condition where people feel they can be supported to bring pregnancies to term.
		If they can't handle it, we have to find a way to make sure that every child is wanted and that every child is able to blossom as an individual.
		Part of the problem, I think, with our culture is the contradictions with the violence that exists in our society that we haven't really dealt with, that it percolates over into how we treat each other and how we treat the unborn.
		And the violence that exists individually is writ large internationally.
		There isn't in a relationship.
		So I think, again, states are doing what they can within the right of states.
		I don't know, Tim, if we'll ever resolve this, if it is an issue that is going to be resolved nationally within legislatures, within a legislature.
		It may be another Supreme Court ruling will come along.
		I don't know.
		I mean, people who know more than I do are going to have to weigh in on that.
		I just see from the human heart, we need to value the existence of every living thing.
		And that's where I come from.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we're going to go to Super Chats, but I want to say one final thing on this.
		I used to think that Abortion could be akin to slavery in terms of civil war, but I don't think so anymore.
		Because I was thinking about the track that we're on, especially, and it's most recently with Trump saying, we're gonna let the states decide.
		It was a conversation we had the other night where I said, the Trump supporters who are recognizing the political nature of Trump's position, which is if you're for a federal ban, you will lose.
		Recognize that allowing the left to kill babies, at least in the short term, is worth the political victory in the long term.
		That is to say, they hope Trump may actually enact more restrictions if he does win.
		And I started thinking about that, and I said, there is an amount of babies the right is okay with being murdered.
		And I'm not saying that I think abortion is murder the same way they do.
		I'm saying in their worldview, abortion is murder.
		There is a certain amount of babies they're okay with being killed if it means they can win the political battle in the short term so that in the long term they can stop a greater evil, I suppose, a utilitarian argument.
		The reason why I would say now I don't think abortion could lead to something akin to the Civil War with slavery is because babies can't fight for themselves.
		And probably the straw in the camel's back for the Civil War was the fact that you had former slaves organizing with abolitionists.
		Today, it's pro-lifers who say abortion is murder, but then will say, yeah, but it's acceptable in certain capacity if it means we're going to win political victories.
		If you had a situation where there's a group of people that were being systematically killed, and they broke free and they escaped, started organizing, and let's say the argument for pro-life and pro-choice was not about the helpless.
		Let's say that the targets of this genocide were able-bodied, fully grown humans.
		Like slavery.
		In the states where they allow the killing of these people on a whim, at the discretion of, say, the mother, these individuals could escape, they could fight back, they would rally and organize with the pro-life factions in these red states, and that would actually give you a large political movement of people opposing it.
		But so long as babies can't actually do anything, and conservatives are willing to accept concessions to win the political argument, the elections, then I don't see abortion ever escalating to
		that degree.
		I think it probably ends up where we are now with some states allowing abortion at the
		point of birth and some banning it outright.
		But we should go to Super Chats, otherwise I'm ranting.
		And I am.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think you made a great point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, babies can't fight back, so there will be no organizing to save babies.
		Just people who are upset that it's happening, but don't really want to... You know, it's like a former slave says, I know what this is like, and I will stop it.
		And brilliant people like Frederick Douglass, who... I believe he bought himself and his wife out of slavery.
		And so they know what they're fighting against, and they are principal organizers and great thinkers, but babies can't do that.
		You know, so you do have people who may have almost been aborted or their parents considered it, and there are failed abortions.
		But for the most part, it's adults who are just living their lives.
		They don't have that.
		But again, super chats!
		So if you haven't already, please smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and let's see what you got!
		Robert De La Cruz says, where's Clint?
unidentified		Oof.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Clint Torres, not heard about yet.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I heard about Clint Russell, the VP for the Libertarian Party, as far as I'm concerned.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rusted Barrens has been meaning to say this, but it's just been busy on Easter Sunday.
		My beautiful wife gave birth to our lovely son, Thorvin.
		First half of his name came from my third and fifth great-grandfathers.
		Thor, last name Van.
		Wow, congratulations.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alija Nikov says, don't just blame the politicians.
		The people of Texas voted for Crenshaw over Ellison back in March.
		The American people just don't have the intellectual capacity or desire for a good government.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hey, speak for yourself.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just kidding.
		I think people need to realize that... I can't remember who told us this, but you can probably speak to this more, Dennis.
		There are certain Republican members of Congress who live in districts where the principal economic driver is military-industrial complex.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not just certain Republicans.
		I will tell you that that military-industrial complex is embedded in every single district in America.
		And when the appropriation cycle begins, individuals from each district We'll visit the member of Congress and ask them to vote for the military appropriation, the Pentagon's appropriation.
		They call it defense but it's not defense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We were talking to someone and we asked like why is it that these deeply unpopular Republicans still win in their districts?
		And what we were told is like, so this particular district has like a manufacturing plant for a component for Boeing or something.
		These people are going to vote for the pro-war candidate every single time because it's their job.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily.
		I mean, I knew a Republican, you know, he had been a former Democrat, Walter Jones from North Carolina, and he had a very large base in his district, and there was a point at which he consistently voted against the wars.
		So, you know, I'm I don't think that's the only variable, but does it have influence?
		Of course it does.
		Absolutely.
		Is it the decisive factor in what people do?
		No.
		But is it a factor?
		Yes.
		Sure.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alabama Elise says, Hey Tim, my daughter Gabby, nine, starred in a music video that dropped today, and she would love to get a shout out.
		Forest Black is the artist.
		Name of the song is You Were Mine.
		Ready the tissues.
unidentified		Ooh.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nice job, Gabby.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Stonebleed says, sue back!
		HuffPost is guilty of worse.
		We are not being sued by Huffington Post.
		You can read the internet, and I won't say too much because any lawyer worth their salt will tell you do not talk about these things.
		But this one's gonna be a really interesting one is what I can say.
		So if you, we are being sued.
		Steven Crowder, Owen Schroyer, Univision, Fox News, a bunch of other outlets.
		And if you would like to assist us in covering the costs, because... I mean, I'll just be completely honest.
		It is difficult because you don't want to say too much, but...
		Legal costs are debilitating.
		And I'll put it that way.
		And this one looks like it might matter.
		So go to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member at whatever level if you would like to help because we're likely just to have to start writing checks to lawyers.
		But this is what it's like to be in media.
		So you can read all about it.
		There's a lot more to it, and I suppose we'll have to issue our statement to the courts before I say anything about it.
		But suffice it to say, I 100% dispute what we are being sued over, and there's a lot more to be said.
		I will additionally add, though, when he said sue Huffington Post, Huffington Post said that I was sued.
		I was not sued.
		Tim Pool was not sued.
		Tim Kast's media group, the company, It was sued.
		In fact, the lawsuit actually specifically mentioned something about me, which is more exculpatory, but I'll leave it at that.
		Let's go!
		Sane says, Hey Tim, whatever happened to the Shapiro-Candace debate?
		Everyone was talking about it and I've heard nothing in a week from either of them.
		That's what happened to it.
		Say lovey!
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		John Lively says, I went to school with Jackie.
		I hope she's doing well.
		I'm not a liberal, but DK is an all-timer because he sticks to his guns.
		This is going to be the most important time in your political life.
		Oh yeah, everybody loves you and Ron Paul.
		I mean, that's what I was saying.
		Like, back in the day, during the Ron Paul revolution, everybody I knew, because I'm in Chicago, was like, Dennis Kucinich.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, you guys would talk truth on the debate in 08.
		I mean, it was one of the most televised, hyped debates of all time with Obama, and you were up there just talking about the military-industrial complex.
		I mean, it was so refreshing.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thank you for saying that, Ian, and thank you, Tim.
		Ron Paul and I are friends.
		You know, I just talked to him the day before yesterday.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		We stay in touch.
		And I've always appreciated his willingness to take a stand.
		And you know, it's very interesting.
		We had a place where we would tend to sit in the center of the aisle.
		You know, there's a point where the State of the Union, the President comes down the aisle.
		Ron Paul and I are sometimes joined by Walter Jones and James Duncan.
		We sit there in the center as a way of exemplifying that, you know, we're not necessarily attached to either side.
		We're taking a side of what's best for America.
		Ron is still at it.
		He's still in demand.
		I'm pleased to have been a charter member of the Ron Paul Institute.
unidentified		Nice.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Now, do we agree on everything?
		No!
		But those things that we've agreed on have had real impact in helping to build strength for peace and for civil liberties and for the Constitution.
		And those are things, if you start with that, you can settle a lot of things as Americans.
		And the fact that Ron and I have been able to work together Over the years and you know our relationship goes back now to 1997 so you know do the math.
		We've been together as friends for 27 years.
		We hit it off right away.
		And so Tim to go back to some of the questions you raised.
		About, you know, is it possible to bring people together in any way?
		I can use the relationship that Ron and I have built to say you find your commonalities and you build from them.
		Does not mean you're going to agree on everything, but you find what you do agree on and then go forward.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Paul Tascalo says, I was a defense lawyer in a case in 2015 where a FISA warrant was used.
		It was literally impossible to challenge.
		No court would hear it.
		I literally couldn't file the paperwork.
		No due process.
		No speedy trial.
		Nothing.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Traife Brewer says, I'm fine with registering my chickens with the government, but I lost them all to a boating accident.
		All the, all the poor chickens.
		Mr. Muttonchops will be avenged.
		Uh, we are, uh, by all legal means, uh, capturing the animal.
		We don't know what kind of animal it was that took the life of Mr. Muttonchops.
		The issue is Mr. Muttonchops was on, uh, the, the property grounds, not on the outskirts of the property.
		He was literally like by the back door.
		So he's, he's standing in an area where we are and some, something came.
		That's really bad.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you know the story of Muttonchops?
		He was a rooster.
		Have you heard?
		Did he tell you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I haven't heard his story.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He kept jumping out of the cage, and we couldn't- we'd put him back in, and he'd jump out again, and eventually something got him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But- We don't know yet.
		So, Mr. Muttonchops, we actually culled most of the roosters and ate them.
		But because he was so adventurous, he was spared.
		He was able to live.
		But we knew it was only a matter of time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So, uh... No wonder he kept trying to escape after we murdered all his friends, that's so funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		He was escaping before we murdered his friends, and because he was escaping, we decided he was strong genes and would live.
		But, uh, he jumped out, as he would every day.
		But he walks around the yard, he doesn't go to the back, he doesn't go in the woods.
		He was, he was very close to our back door.
		And a predator came and annihilated him and the feathers are all strewn about everywhere.
		Anybody who knows anything knows you cannot have animals who are not scared of coming onto your property for a variety of reasons, so we have to trap it because this is something that's scared of humans.
		And that's very, very, very bad.
		A wild animal, predator of some sort, presumably a raccoon or a fox or a coyote, that is not scared of people, in broad daylight, it was like at noon, Where everyone's here walking around working, came onto the property, very dangerous.
		Someone could get bit, so we're gonna trap it and then it will be legally, appropriately dealt with.
		So we have specialists, we're gonna call and- Relocate it.
		No, you can't do that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That is not legal.
unidentified		Jesus.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, a company takes care of it, but I mean, there could also be rabies, there could be a variety of issues, so it has to be, you know, properly done with, I don't know, animal control perhaps.
		We'll see, we'll see.
		Melissa Wood says, Cheers and much respect to Dennis Kucinich.
		You are a true anti-war patriot.
		Ron Paul was my influence that led me to you.
		I've learned that this is no longer an R versus D fight.
		Most of us can see the problems, just don't agree how to solve them.
		That's the thing, you know, I was saying before, like, Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks was running for president.
		And I'm like, I'd take him over Biden.
		Like, at least he'd be, like, I'd find him to be at least closer to anti-war.
		At least he would pardon Julian Assange.
		All the rest of his stuff is terrible, but he'd get way worse with Joe Biden.
		You know, take what you can get.
		Good thing 731 says, when do we the people enact the rights granted to use by our founding fathers to alter or abolish the government when it becomes destructive to our rights?
		That's literally the lawsuit.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You file lawsuits, you convention of states, there's like a whole wide range of these things.
		And, um, well, I would say for now, file your lawsuits, file the challenges, register voters, and then let's, you know, see what happens in November if we do well.
		I have a vision.
unidentified		I have a vision of Trump winning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I like when you have visions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		There's a lot of- I don't know, I'm just saying, I was like, it's meaningless, but what I mean is, I'm not saying I had a psychic vision, I'm saying, the other day when I woke up, and I was like putting on my contacts, I just had the image in my mind of us during the show in Martinsburg on November, and them saying, Donald Trump will be your 47th, and I was like, man, it just felt like that's the track we were on.
		So that's why I'm saying like, For the people who are concerned and think he's, you know, the path towards dealing with the corruption and everything, you have to vote.
		Register voters.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		You gotta register everybody.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's, you know, there's a lot of people that, like, talk about, like, uh, high energy responses on the internet, so they like to talk about getting all excited and stuff, when really the thing that they should do first is, like, actually make it to, like, vote in November, right?
		Like, because a lot of the people that Like to get, you know, loud on the internet and say volatile things or say inflammatory things.
		They're not voting for their congressman.
		They might go and vote for the president, but most people don't go and pay much attention.
		So a lot of people that, you know, talking about watering trees and stuff, maybe you should just go ahead and see what you can do.
		For your Select Me, your local area.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I just registered.
		I registered unaffiliated because I have no idea about these political parties.
		I don't know what that means.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		In Ohio, if you're a Democratic candidate, they'll put Democrat under your name, Republican under your name.
		I'm running as an Independent, so my name's just on there.
		I don't have any label at all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we should ban labels on ballots.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		That's a very interesting thought.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because there was this funny story where a transgender satanist anarchist in New Hampshire ran as a Republican sheriff candidate and I believe won the primary, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I voted for her.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's because the Republicans didn't know anything about it.
		It's like, I don't care, Republican, you get my vote.
		And then found out it was a transgender anarchist satanist and got really mad.
		And I'm like, that's your fault, you voted for her.
		So, I think if we got rid of political parties on the ballot, you would get a lot of people who would look and be like, I don't know who these people are, so I'm not going to vote for one of them.
		And it would stop this... Like, the reason Nancy Pelosi keeps winning, even though she's deeply unpopular, well, it's because she's a Democrat.
		People say, I'm just gonna vote Democrat.
		Whatever.
		And if Nancy Pelosi's name was on a ballot, they're gonna vote Nancy Pelosi.
		They know she is.
		But in a lot of districts, what I think this begins to do is, I go to vote, I know Dennis Kucinich.
		I like Dennis Kucinich.
		I say, I'm gonna vote for that guy.
		That's me.
		John Doe walks in and goes, Bill Smith?
unidentified		Dennis Kucinich?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who any of these people are.
		Where's the Democrat or Republican?
		Eh, whatever.
		And they don't vote.
		So low-information voters...
		Don't vote!
		Or they vote randomly, and that means that you're more likely to get the will of the people.
		At least, in one sense.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		And it also points out the importance of campaigning.
		Oh yeah.
		I mean, the idea of reaching out directly, which is what I've tried to do throughout my career.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it eliminates this, I'm a Democrat, vote for me!
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		You know, can I take a buzzer shot here, because I know we're getting close.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is about it, we're wrapping up.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Because Phil, I neglected to go back to you on a question that you asked about the World Health Organization.
		Yeah, they're trying to come up with a treaty right now.
		This is important.
		That would vitiate the sovereignty of the United States of America.
		We wouldn't be able to make our own decisions about health care, about how to... This treaty that they're seeking would set off a whole new creation of... New bureaucracy?
		Well, no, what it'll do is it'll cause a proliferation of bioweapons because they're going to have gain-of-function research that'll be global, and the Biological Weapons Convention was supposed to stop that, so we're venturing into an era where not only is our sovereignty going to be wiped out the same way decisions were removed from the Congress by the World Trade Organization, but it's also going to result in the very pharmaceutical companies that are controlling a number of health care policies in this country to have global impact and to remove from the United States any ability to be able to make our decisions in the interest of Americans.
		And this is a, you know, I would urge everyone who's paying attention to this show, and you've got a very informed viewership and listenership, to look at this WHO treaty and contact your attorney general in your state and ask them to get involved, as some attorney generals are beginning to do, to block any agreement at a state level.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that Dennis is talking about, James Lindsay, who's Conceptual James on Twitter, he's been talking about it as well.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You can follow him, and he's got a bunch of posts referring to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're going to wrap things up though.
		This has been a blast, Dennis.
		Thank you so much for hanging out.
		It is Friday night, so smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and support us by going to TimCast.com and clicking join us.
		Did I mention we're being sued?
		Uh, we have two choices.
		We can launch, like, a fundraiser and say, like, we need to raise... this could be a lot of money.
		Uh, or I can just say, become a member at Timcast and we're gonna do our best and we'll see what happens.
		I don't want to say too much until I get word back from our legal team and where this goes, so it is what it is.
		You can follow the show at Timcast IRL.
		You can follow me personally at Timcast.
		Dennis, do you want to shout anything out?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, first of all, thank you.
		You know, thanks to you and the crew here for inviting me in.
		People want more information about the campaign, please go to Kucinich.com and we're going to keep people posted on what's going on now in America and what can happen that can be very positive.
		I have a very optimistic view of the future of America, but only if, you know, we all stay involved.
		And I appreciate that you have a very involved audience here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well thank you for hanging out, and George, he was here, he said I think four words, but do you want to shout anything out?
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		Well I've had the coolest front row seat of all time, so I'm with you listeners, nothing special tonight, just I'm G Prime, 85, the cartoonist, and I will be resuming cartoons in a few weeks, months, so stay tuned.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need to get a couple new ones for the new studio actually.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm gonna buy a nice big fat printer so I can Because you know what I was thinking?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love the one where Biden electrocutes people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's my favorite one.
george alexopoulos ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that'll be happening in real life too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then we have the Trump, but he's very small and he's wearing the armor suit downstairs.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But they're old, you know what I mean?
		It's like, these are jokes from a few years ago, so it's time for some updates.
		I guess.
		But we'll get them, we'll get them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
		I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
		The band is All That Remains.
		You can follow us on Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, YouTube, you know, the internet.
		And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
		I'm gonna be on the way to New Hampshire tonight.
		Stay to the right if you're gonna steal.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You animal!
		I'm Ian Crosland.
		You guys, thanks for coming, man.
		Great conversation.
		Dude, Dennis, so good to see you, dude.
		So, Kucinich.com.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And on Twitter?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		X, Dennis underscore Kucinich.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Love it.
		Great to see you.
		Thank you for coming.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Thanks so much.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Looking forward.
		And when do people vote?
		When is the vote in Ohio?
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Well, November.
		It's a November ballot.
		I'll be on the November ballot in Ohio, District 7.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so people go out and register in Ohio now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Get funky, have fun with it, and I'll see you later.
unidentified		Bye.
unidentified		See you guys later.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Have a good weekend.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for coming.
unidentified		Appreciate seeing you guys as well, George.
unidentified		Yeah, see you later.
dennis kucinich ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for hanging out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll have clips throughout the weekend.

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