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National Guard SHOOTS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, Iran Hit Israel, WW3 Trends w/Harmeet Dhillon | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
A National Guardsman saw an illegal immigrant stabbing people and he shot him.
The illegal immigrant fled.
This is a crazy story.
And, man, today's just an insane amount of news.
I mean, we've been having a slow couple of weeks.
And now it's just getting nuts.
I mean, Israel fired over 300 drones and missiles at Israel.
Most of them intercepted, although a handful, I believe around five, did strike Israeli military targets in Israel.
Israel is vowing to retaliate.
Russia is warning the U.S.
if they get involved, Russia will enter the war on the side of Iran.
And then we have Donald Trump.
The first ever criminal trial for a former president, and the judge warned him that if he doesn't show up for every day, he will go to jail.
He can't even go see his son graduate.
This, of course, as Trump gave a statement, he should be campaigning.
But he can't, because he is being kept in this criminal proceeding.
Now, the interesting thing is, the charges against Trump would normally be a misdemeanor, and for reasons that have not been disclosed, and no one really knows why, the DA in Manhattan said, nah, this time it's a felony, because there's an underlying crime that no one knows about, and we're not charging him with, and no one else is either.
So when Trump says, this is like a witch hunt, it's hard to think otherwise.
So, oh man.
We're gonna have to go through all of these stories, plus, uh, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the Rust Armorer from the movie set where Alec Baldwin shot and killed that woman, was sentenced to 18 months.
Which means Alec Baldwin, surely!
Should we go to prison any minute?
Any minute.
We'll see.
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Joining us tonight to talk about all of this and so much more is Harmeet Dhillon.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, happy to be here today.
tim pool
Who are you, Harmeet?
What do you do?
harmeet dhillon
I am a lawyer.
I'm the founder of the Center for American Liberty and the Dillon Law Group.
I've been practicing law for about 32 years now.
And I'm a knitter.
I knit the sweater that I'm wearing today.
I'm debuting it in the media today on your show.
And I'm actively involved in a number of issues in the news.
So I represent President Trump in multiple cases.
I represented him in California with Stormy Daniels in the civil cases.
Won him a bunch of money there.
And I'm following the current case with interest and I've been honored to represent him in his campaign as well.
tim pool
It will be interesting, this criminal case against Trump right now, because it relates to Stormy Daniels, who owes Trump money.
harmeet dhillon
owes him money, thanks to the work that my firm did.
About $600,000 was the judgments, and then she had a little bit against him.
So, net, she owes him several hundred thousand dollars and has said she'll pay him over her dead body.
And so, yeah, I think that's gonna be some interesting impeachment testimony when she testifies in the criminal trial.
The fact that she owes him a lot of money and has done so for many years is definitely motive to shape her testimony.
It's gonna be real interesting.
tim pool
Interesting.
Right on.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
Libby Emmons is here.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm hanging out.
I am the editor-in-chief of The Postmillennial.
I'm glad to be on with Hermit.
I'm a big fan.
I'm interested in your work, so glad to be here.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think we last saw you at Turning Point.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, that's right.
2023, when I was running for RNC chair.
That's right.
ian crossland
So glad you're here.
unidentified
Thank you.
ian crossland
Good to see you again.
Ian Crossland, also very happy to be here.
And we got Serge over to my right.
serge du preez
Yo!
Hello, everybody.
Good to see you guys.
Hope you enjoy the show.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
And just real quick, I mean, with Ronna McDaniel out, imagine if they just voted for you, you were there, they would have avoided this whole fiasco.
harmeet dhillon
Well, I'm trying to be nice.
It was a tense time there at the RNC.
We do have new leadership there now.
For me as a citizen, it's really life and death for many people what happens in this election coming up.
You know, how the RNC is run affects election integrity issues.
It affects our readiness to ballot harvest and things like that.
So I hope and pray that we're able to catch up to what the left has done over the next few months.
tim pool
Who's running it right now?
We'll get into it.
We'll just jump into the news.
We have this story from The Post Millennial.
Illegal immigrant stabs two others, flees back to Mexico after being shot by National Guardsmen.
The two who were stabbed received non-life-threatening injuries.
So, uh, there's a lot of news over the weekend, of course, uh, Iran striking Israel.
We're currently waiting to see if Israel respond, but, uh, this story, of course, has been bubbling up, and I think this one, uh, affecting our southern border and involving a National Guardsman shooting an illegal immigrant, I think, is, is a, uh, I don't know, I mean, is this...
Crossing the Rubicon or is this just... To me it seems like we've gone from illegal immigrants attacking National Guard and then being let into the country to now National Guard have... This is it.
We were hearing stories about the National Guard requesting the ability to open fire on illegal immigrants if they need to and now it's happened.
So maybe this is just a flash in the pan, nothing else happens, but it certainly seems like conflict on the southern border is bubbling up.
This could be a shot heard around the world kind of thing where the National Guard just shot a guy trying to break into the country.
libby emmons
Well, and what does it mean for other people who are trying to cross into the country?
Are they going to be looking at this saying, I'm taking my life into my hands by approaching these National Guard and I need to be armed myself, you know?
harmeet dhillon
How would they know because they're like, you know, being smuggled into the country and I'm not sure they're scanning Twitter.
So I think it would take a while for that to filter back.
And also it depends on what the reaction of our government is.
The last time we had something even close to this happen, the National Guard was castigated.
Our law enforcement officials were castigated for allegedly using horse whips on these aliens, which they were not.
And now I think when you see Like, suburban, sunny San Diego, you see a boat pull up on the beach and dozens of people come out of it.
I think the Overton window of Americans' tolerance for what's happening at the border is actually shifting.
tim pool
Let's play this video, actually.
We have the video here.
Libs of TikTok posted it.
This reportedly happened yesterday in Carlsbad, California.
A group of mostly military-age males invaded our country illegally via boat and then disbursed to the city in cars.
Are any of them on the terror watch list?
Do any of them have a criminal history?
We don't know.
We have no clue who is in our country.
unidentified
Take a look at this.
tim pool
This is nuts.
unidentified
They outright abandoned the boat.
tim pool
There's a lot of people on that boat.
It's like a clown car.
Watch this.
It's like a clown car.
It's crazy.
Let's see.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
There's 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
unidentified
There still might be people climbing out.
Those guys could have, like, explosives strapped to their chests.
tim pool
This has got to be, like, 18, uh, 20 people on the one boat.
They abandoned it.
The crazy thing.
Carlsbad is one of the wealthier areas.
harmeet dhillon
That's what I'm saying, is like, you don't see that.
You see, oh, the Tijuana border, you see people coming over there.
You do not see this on the beaches of California.
That's like our Rubicon, as you say.
Like, that does not happen.
tim pool
I may be mistaken, because it's been, you know, 10 years since I covered this, but during the drought in the 2010s, Carlsbad was one of the areas where the people were demanding the right to water their lawns during a drought.
harmeet dhillon
Oh yeah, this is a wealthy upscale coastal community and there are tech companies there now.
This is not what anybody who's paying taxes there wants to see in their neighborhood, I'm telling you.
tim pool
They're gonna vote for Trump, they have to.
harmeet dhillon
Well, I don't know about that.
Let's not get crazy here.
But I think people are not crazy.
I mean, I can tell you in San Francisco, you know, the Karens are suddenly like, well, what's going on?
Like people are pooping on my doorstep and you know, this is not cool.
So people really are losing their tolerance when it's happening on their doorstep.
tim pool
There's a wild viral video.
I don't have it pulled up, but it's a lady who's like reaching her hand through a smashed window trying to take stuff out of a store.
libby emmons
That is crazy in Sacramento.
tim pool
Yeah, in Sacramento.
And the cops ride by and stop and look at her and then they just leave.
libby emmons
They look at her for a minute and they, yeah, they just keep going.
tim pool
Now, I don't, the video, in the video, I don't know if she smashes the window, but she's like rifling her through the window, grabbing stuff.
And then she walks, walks away from the stairs and is like grabbing stuff in the front of the building, moving bricks.
And the cops just look at her and then leave.
harmeet dhillon
No question.
tim pool
Just okay.
She's good.
Not getting involved.
harmeet dhillon
Yep.
tim pool
You know, you said in the intro that voting for Trump for some people is life or death.
I think for this country it's life or death.
harmeet dhillon
That's what I meant to say is that we are every day seeing things we took for granted completely eroded.
I'm seeing the way that judges predictably used to rule.
They're going the opposite direction for purely political reasons.
And so, you know, the rule of law is eroding on a daily basis in our country.
tim pool
Well, here's a cra- I mean, this is crazy.
There's that Apple River, like we're jumping all over the place, but there was that Apple River story in Wisconsin.
You see that one?
I was looking at- I was listening to Law of Self-Defense.
He's been on the show.
And he said- I'm drawing a blank on his name, forgive me.
You know, if you're an older guy with a pacemaker, you're surrounded by a bunch of people screaming at you, attacking you, you have a right to defend yourself.
And I'm thinking to myself, well, then why is he going to prison?
Why did a judge convict him?
Or why did a jury or judge or whoever convict him?
I just see more and more... I'm not a lawyer, but it looks to me, based on what I'm seeing in the courts, that it feels like this country is rapidly devolving into people... I've described this among the political class.
The Titanic has hit the iceberg, so they're rushing to steal all the fine china they can and get into a lifeboat and leave before people realize the ship is sinking.
And so, I see what appears to be judges where they're just either hyper-partisan, Totally on board with whatever lie or whatever, you know, like everything against Trump, or outright just don't know, don't care, just it doesn't matter, just get in my courtroom, bang the gavel, you're done.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, well, what you're actually seeing is even before that, it's the prosecutors.
So over the last two decades, Soros has managed to purchase the prosecutors in major cities throughout the United States, including in places you wouldn't have expected.
And the net result of that is that they usually ignore crime that affects most of us, and then they selectively prosecute crime for political purposes to shame people, to change the outcome of people's behavior.
You're seeing that in Alvin Bragg's case this week in New York.
You're seeing it in Philadelphia.
You're seeing it in Wisconsin.
Where we're going to be having the RNC meeting, the National Convention in Milwaukee, is that kind of prosecutorial setup.
So you wonder, if people attack us, if Antifa attacks people going to the convention, who's going to get prosecuted?
Because I can guarantee you some of them are going to fight back.
tim pool
Well, you know, we're planning on being at the RNC, but the DNC is in Chicago and I wouldn't, I wouldn't, there's nothing that would convince me to go to Chicago during the DNC.
libby emmons
You saw the video from over the weekend, it was activists in Chicago learning how to say death to America, death to Israel in Farsi.
At a meeting that was designed to teach everyone how to disrupt the DNC.
tim pool
I mean look, that's the other big story.
I'm like trying to get through all these stories in the intro to the show.
We had waves of pro-Palestine and some pro-Hamas protesters shutting down bridges and airports all across the country.
libby emmons
It was a day of action.
tim pool
Oh man.
libby emmons
And I think it was, I saw something about how it might have been funded by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard or whatever.
tim pool
Oh, that would be crazy.
libby emmons
Yeah, isn't that sort of nuts?
tim pool
But I mean, we're seven and a half minutes into the first segment.
We've gone from National Guardsman shoots illegal immigrant to crime in the streets.
Now we're criminal prosecutions and now Hamas and Iranian funded protests in the United States.
Jeez, what happened this weekend?
It's like a switch was flicked.
ian crossland
To specify on this post-millennial article, did you write this about the... No, I didn't.
libby emmons
I think this was Tommy.
ian crossland
It said that he stabbed two people?
libby emmons
Yeah.
ian crossland
The guy came across the border illegally and then he cut two people?
Is that what it was?
libby emmons
Yeah, he was stabbing two people.
ian crossland
It's true, he put it in them.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
The tip of the blade, that's a stab as opposed to a slash across which would get cut.
And then the guy opened fire on him after he saw him attempt murder.
So it's not like he shot an illegal, a criminal alien.
I mean, technically, he shot an attempted murderer.
This was always the point.
tim pool
At what point does the violence start?
We've seen photos and videos of cartel guys with rifles smuggling humans across the border.
And then Republicans had that bill where they were requesting authorization for the National Guard to use lethal force if need be.
Lot of concern that we would get to the point where there would be active conflict on the border.
Now, this may be one crazy guy doing one crazy thing, and sooner or later was bound to happen.
But again, this is, you know...
In the world, it's only possible until someone proves it's possible.
There's quite literally a trick in skateboarding called IMPOSSIBLE.
Now, you don't have to know anything about skateboarding, but let me tell you this.
There's a trick in skateboarding called THE IMPOSSIBLE, which is one of the most commonly done maneuvers ever, and it was because back in the day, one of the big names in the industry said doing this trick would be impossible, so then some guy did it, and now it's so common, children do it.
My point is, people think it's not possible to get to the point where the National Guard is opening fire on waves of criminal aliens storming the gates or something like that.
Now we have a National Guardsman shooting a guy, shooting an illegal immigrant.
It is entirely possible this escalates, it is entirely possible the National Guard shoots someone else, and that's the concern.
Is this that breaking point where it's like, oh man, like our border is so damaged now, we actually just had a National Guardsman shoot a guy!
What happens if this gets worse?
What happens if now, the cartel's showing up saying, hey, if you bring someone and that person acts up, they're gonna shoot at you.
You need to be prepared.
What does that mean?
Do they wear body armor now?
Do they change their tactics?
Does this result in the escalation?
libby emmons
It could do.
I keep wondering if we've already passed that point that in history books, they're going to say, you know, this was the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.
You know, I keep wondering about that.
ian crossland
Could be.
libby emmons
Was it this?
tim pool
Iran.
libby emmons
Was it Iran shooting missiles at?
Nobody knows, man.
Israel?
Was it October 7th?
Was it before that?
Was it the botched withdrawal of Afghanistan?
You know, was it Biden unfreezing the $16 billion to Iran?
tim pool
Let's pull up the next story, because wow.
Talk about the news.
From Axios, Israel vows to retaliate against Iran for missile attacks.
I'll give you the quick version.
Over the weekend, you may have seen what happened, 300, over 300 drones and missiles were fired from Iran, from Houthi rebels and other militia groups.
At Israel directly, flying over Iraq and Jordan.
Jordan, I believe their Air Force moved to intercept some of these.
There were multiple layers of Israeli defense to take out many of these rockets and missiles.
The U.S.
deployed ships, which actually I believe also intercepted some of these.
Around five actually struck Israel.
Now, there was some reporting earlier, people were saying that Biden's administration provided guidance to Iran.
The story was that through Turkey, the Biden administration warned Iran that if they cross a certain line, that would be like a red line or something.
But the US is denying they in any way gave any advance information or anything like that.
And I think it's a silly point, unless we have more direct evidence as to what was said, because Trump had also threatened Iran, if you do X we will obliterate you, which is like setting the guidelines.
I don't think that matters.
What matters...
Is that Iran directly attacked Israel?
Nation on nation.
Israel is now vowing to retaliate.
Biden has already said support for Israel is ironclad.
We'll defend them.
Vladimir Putin warned the U.S.
not to get involved and said they would back Iran if this escalates.
So, of course, following this, World War III was trending again.
Now here's the thing.
Libya was just mentioning a second ago that, you know, where's this Franz Ferdinand moment?
What's this shot heard around the world?
And the issue is it could have happened six months ago.
It could have been Ukraine.
We honestly have no idea.
We're in the thick of it.
We won't know until 50 to 100 years from now when they write the history books on World War III.
Some people are saying it was when Israel attacked the embassy in Damascus.
That was an attack on Iranian soil because that's the embassy.
And then you have other people saying, that's because an Iranian general who was facilitating the Hamas attacks on Israel was there and he was a target in their active war against Hamas.
It's impossible to know when this started.
I don't know.
ian crossland
I didn't know you could declare war on a group of people.
That's a weird new thing that never existed before.
What do you mean?
9-11's, war on terror, war on drugs.
It used to be a national, a sovereignty would declare war on another sovereignty.
There were no war on terror, war against this type of person.
Right, those are fake.
Yeah, these wars to get the guy that thinks that way is like, what the hell?
tim pool
What are you talking about here?
What does that have to do with war?
ian crossland
Going to war with Hamas.
Like, tomorrow, nine new guys could join Hamas.
Then what?
Does the war just go on tomorrow again too?
What about in a year if more guys join Hamas?
tim pool
They're at war with Gaza.
ian crossland
What if the war causes more people to join Hamas?
Then do they just keep fighting forever?
Is that the life?
tim pool
We're talking specifically about Gaza.
ian crossland
I think it's nonsense.
tim pool
And Hamas is the government of Gaza.
harmeet dhillon
They're a government of a territory.
tim pool
Right, so Israel is at war with another government.
ian crossland
What are the dudes from Hamas doing in other countries?
Aren't there people like the heads of Hamas in Pakistan living healthily?
harmeet dhillon
In Qatar and other countries.
unidentified
What are they doing?
ian crossland
Why are they not taking them out if that's what they want to do?
harmeet dhillon
Because they don't want to die in Israel's attacks on Gaza.
They're cowards.
They're putting their own people at risk and they are sitting in five-star hotels.
ian crossland
Why doesn't the Israeli government take them out with drones if they're in foreign countries and they're the targets?
tim pool
Like foreign countries?
harmeet dhillon
Harboring terrorists, yeah.
Then you're attacking countries with their own military allegiances with their neighbors.
tim pool
That escalates war.
harmeet dhillon
That is an escalation which is, I think, they're trying to phase that kind of escalation.
tim pool
The United States has military personnel in other countries doing the exact same thing.
So I agree the U.S.
can and should be talking with, say, like Qatar and other countries and saying, those guys need to be brought out because they're escalating this war.
I don't know exactly what's going on there.
Maybe there is something, maybe there isn't something.
It's not so easy to say Israel just goes into Qatar and then kills people.
harmeet dhillon
That would be an act of war on Yeah, I mean they're in like five-star, they're like in the Four Seasons and places like that.
They're in the fancy hotels and these big towers.
There's no way to target them with a drone without killing a bunch of other people.
ian crossland
Have there been extradition attempts?
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, that I'm sure there have been discussions about that, but I don't know anything about it.
tim pool
I think it's a good point that the U.S.
could be doing more.
I don't know exactly what is going on, but what I can say is, in the bigger picture, asking, will this be World War III?
I don't know, I mean, NATO's at war with Russia and Ukraine.
It's possible that in 20 years they're like, oh, World War III started when Russia invaded the Donbass.
It was the, or it was the ousting of Yanukovych.
They'll say, oh man, the ousting of Yanukovych resulted in the fall of Ukraine.
Go read history, but this is really amazing.
You read Wikipedia, you read encyclopedia, and it will say things like, in 1941, so-and-so did this.
By 1943, this is what happened.
And you're like, yo, that was two years.
That was two years.
And these history books just jump because That's what they think mattered.
It may be as simple as with the ousting of Yanukovych in Ukraine, opening the door to creating a power vacuum, U.S.
NATO interests began vying for power in Kiev, resulting in Russia invading the Donbass to secure a land bridge to Crimea, igniting World War III.
It could very simply be when the president fled, World War III started.
libby emmons
Although now that we have a better understanding of how history books are written, we know that it's maybe not necessarily what they think actually happened, but there were perhaps lobbying interests as well.
We've seen lobbying interests in American publishing downplaying the concept of jihad, downplaying the atrocity of 9-11 and saying, you know, really negative things about Christians and about Judaism and saying, you know, trying to equivocate terrorism with Christianity and Judaism and balancing that out because of
oppressor colonialism and things like that. So you know in a lot of ways what it
says in the history books is going to be entirely dependent on who wins this
culture war that we've been in the throes of for at least a decade now.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, I would agree with that, that, you know, the historians of yore who are just trying to get to the facts, they don't exist anymore, and everything is polarized by the mainstream media.
And you have prominent leaders in our country today who deny that there was a Russia collusion, you know, hoax that happened in 2016, which, you know, is why anyone even knows anything about Ukraine.
Two-thirds of the American public wouldn't know anything about Ukraine.
If it didn't have to do with the Russia-Ukraine issues dating back to the 2016 election.
libby emmons
And then you look at, like, the Yuri Berliner situation where he was writing about NPR.
You know, the journalist at NPR who's saying NPR is hopelessly biased.
And he's one of these... Yeah, no duh.
Yeah, no duh.
But, like, he's one of these old-school guys who believes maybe we could just get back to basic journalism.
And it's like, guy, that has been long... No, that's naive.
That ship has sailed a long time ago.
tim pool
Wikipedia says Spygate is a conspiracy theory.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
That Trump was spied on as a conspiracy theory, but even though it's been adjudicated and it is a fact.
harmeet dhillon
Wikipedia is, of course, garbage and anybody who cites it is foolish.
libby emmons
Well, the current CEO of NPR used to run Wikipedia.
That's right.
She got $700,000 a year to do it.
harmeet dhillon
Almost $800,000, like $799,000.
libby emmons
She got $700,000 a year to do it.
tim pool
It was like 700.
harmeet dhillon
Almost 800, like $799,000.
libby emmons
Something ridiculous, yeah.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah.
And by the way, she wants us to believe she walks past people in first class and
notes their white maleness.
tim pool
That's right.
I guess the question is, what do you guys think's going to happen?
Do you think Israel will retaliate?
Is it going to drag the U.S.
in, then Russia gets dragged in, and then China moves on Taiwan during the distraction?
World War III?
Hey, you see the price of gold?
libby emmons
Right.
You did have the US.
You had Biden say that any retaliation by Israel would not be supported by the US.
And you also had Israel say that they would retaliate.
So that's sort of an interesting spot.
tim pool
Biden said we would not assist Israel.
harmeet dhillon
Well, he said all kinds of things, depends on what time of day.
Right.
libby emmons
And who's speaking for him.
harmeet dhillon
But, you know, Israel so far successfully, and they would say that's in air quotes, defended themselves.
But, you know, they can't live like that, having the fear of that 24 hours a day.
And that's why I'm sure they are going to take some targeted, responsive action.
ian crossland
I think if we just sit back and just narrate and watch, it'll be World War III, hell, nuclear, everything will die.
It will all come to an end.
But if we get active and create new cultural endeavors, people around the world will start overthrowing their totalitarian regimes.
The Chinese will create their republic again.
It'll have to start from the bottom up, and it's got to come from inspiration of young people.
libby emmons
I do have hope for the young people.
tim pool
I don't disagree in the general concept of starting a new culture to try and change things, but I do believe that, like, you know, the car we're driving is shooting straight off the edge of the cliff.
Now, it's not a question of, can we stop the car from flying off the cliff?
It's, are our seatbelts on?
And for those of us that are- that's probably a bus, actually.
For those of us that are there, and expect to be roughed up in the tumble down the side of this cliff, after the bus crashes and shatters into a million pieces, and a good portion of us who are paying attention and are prepared to survive, what do we do next?
And so that culture is going to be very important, and I agree with you on that, but, you know, simple version is...
Yo, Iran attacked Israel.
You can make the argument Israel attacked Iran's embassy, but like, there's a war going on.
Iran is actively involved in supporting Hamas in Gaza.
Israel is at war with them, targeting their leadership, which is Iran.
Iran fires from their territory into Israeli territory.
There is no, wait guys, let's change the culture overnight to stop Israel from retaliating against Iran and igniting a World War III.
ian crossland
Maybe.
Maybe not.
I don't know.
I don't know how things work in reality, man.
I used to think it was just so literal, that everything was like, next step, we'll create the next step, we'll create the next step, and therefore the next thing will happen.
And now I'm realizing things are more sporadic than that.
Your behavior changes your entire environment, which has resounding implications on their entire environments, and it can overnight things.
People can have dreams and change their feelings and things.
So I have more faith that it's a more esoteric path.
tim pool
Well, what's the possibility that Israel comes out with a statement saying, in the interest of not igniting an escalation which could lead to nuclear conflict, Israel will take the honorable position of bolstering its defenses and not retaliating on Iranian soil?
Is that possible?
harmeet dhillon
Not for your government to survive.
I mean, I doubt it.
It's not realistic politically.
I mean, I'm sure that I understand that there was a meeting today, I don't know what the outcome of that was, of all the different political parties in Israel, probably looking for some kind of, you know, consensus on what is the appropriate step.
And there don't seem to be a lot of different shades of peaceniks over there who want to do nothing in response to this escalation by Iran.
The Iranian regime, I should say.
What's surprising to me as someone who's looked at history is, you know, we all lived in my youth in the Cold War, also living in fear of nuclear war.
And then the people in the Eastern Bloc overthrew their oppressors and the world changed.
And so now the military folks have to figure out some other targets and all of that.
But the Iranian people have lived under this repressive regime For so many decades now.
And that would be the simple solution, right?
The Iranian people change their government.
Boom.
tim pool
Gold is skyrocketing.
And I don't know, a lot of people... You want to pull this up, Serge?
Yeah, so we have the gold chart.
And it's been pretty stable around $2,000 for quite some time.
How far back can we go?
Are we back five years?
You can see here in 2019 it was at $12,000.
Then it went up to $2,000.
Stayed generally in this area going down a little bit, but now it's up to $23,000.
I have no idea what that means.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
People are just pointing out gold is shooting up and it may be that people are concerned about what's going to happen to the U.S.
dollar for a variety of reasons, not just World War III.
harmeet dhillon
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, but let's do this.
Let's jump to the next story.
We have this one from the Postmillennial once again.
Pro-Palestinian agitators block traffic at Chicago O'Hare Airport to protest Boeing, U.S.
funding of war in Gaza.
But it wasn't just in Chicago.
It was all over the country!
So in a coordinated effort, it would seem, Far left, pro-Palestine protesters, and even many pro-Hamas.
Yes, the left is gonna say, no, you can't say, literally screaming death to America at these protests.
You have a coordinated effort to shut down, to damage in some way, economics.
Maybe they don't intentionally, these people aren't thinking like I'm gonna hurt the economy, but I think the, what was it, like the Golden Gate was five hours backed up in both directions?
libby emmons
Yeah, there was the Golden Gate.
unidentified
Brooklyn Bridge.
libby emmons
There was some issues on the Brooklyn Bridge.
harmeet dhillon
Seattle, SeaTac as well.
libby emmons
Yeah, there was an issue also in a bridge in Newburgh, I think, just north of New York City, a little ways up the Hudson.
Yeah, and this is something that activists are planning for the whole week, you know, shut it down for Gaza for the whole week.
tim pool
So it's kind of wild to me that Iran launches 300 drones and missiles at Israel and then the far left immediately runs out in support of or in opposition to Israel.
harmeet dhillon
That doesn't surprise me at all.
That's the status quo of the left culture for years now.
tim pool
It's just sort of...
The mask is no longer on their faces.
harmeet dhillon
Well, you know, it's interesting.
Maybe it varies by city, and you mentioned that there might be some foreign funding for this, but I can tell you in the Bay Area there's no need for foreign funding for this kind of protest.
There are rent-a-mob losers, and I swear if you drilled in with a drone on who was there, It's the same people who are there for Occupy Wall Street.
It's the same people who are there for Black Lives Matter.
It's the same people who are there for whatever cause du jour of the left.
They're Chinese.
They're all kinds of rent-a-mob people.
So I think that's what it is in the Bay Area.
There's just a mob of just malcontents who someone pays a small amount of money to show up for any given left-wing cause.
tim pool
We call them the tourists, that's what we called them during Occupy, because we noticed this strange pattern of the same organizers weren't just showing up all over the country, but they were in Spain, they were in Turkey, and they were in China.
And so we started saying, yeah, how does that hippie, anarchist guy sleeping in a park have money to go to Turkey?
And they were in Turkey for quite some time!
harmeet dhillon
When I sued Antifa over attacking our client Andy Ngo, some of the characters who were involved in the mob that attacked him showed up fomenting Antifa riots in other parts of the country.
They were clearly well-funded, not ragtag, not from the heart.
This is an underground militia attacking Americans all over the country.
tim pool
So a couple weeks ago I was talking about with the illegal immigrants storming the border and attacking National Guardsmen.
I fear that we are getting to the point where conservatives finally break confidence in government.
I would argue that conservatives are the only group of people that are actually maintaining the US government right now in that they have confidence in it.
The far left completely disregards it.
Default liberals march in lockstep with the leftist activists, whether they know it or don't, and their state governments, which are defying federal law, allowing criminal aliens to invade the border.
Then you have conservatives who are saying, yes sir, thank you sir, back the blue, oh, that dang old government.
Meanwhile, Antifa firebombs federal buildings, and there's mostly no response.
I mean, You look at January 6th, insanity.
You look at May 29th, nothing.
You look at Seattle, you look at the takeover of these cities, nothing.
So my fear is that with these attacks on the border, you get to the point where people on the right start saying, it's not an issue of attacking federal buildings or storming the gates, it's an issue of there's no government anymore.
harmeet dhillon
Right.
tim pool
Law enforcement is illegitimate.
They'll arrest you for fake reasons.
They're basically clown costumes at this point.
There's no respect for it.
My fear is that we get to the point where confidence in government is shattered in the minds of the right, and thus, though it would be in a different way, the right begins to act in a certain way, like Antifa, in disregard for government authority.
harmeet dhillon
Well, I don't know how long it's going to take to reach that point.
I hope never.
But I will tell you that this week's debate over reauthorization of 702 is exactly that.
You see a very deep schism in the right on this issue.
And I've been tweeting about it because I'm more on the libertarian side on these issues.
I thought the Patriot Act was a huge mistake, and it was.
And today, conservatives are falling hook, line, and sinker, the conservatives in Congress, for these quote-unquote intelligence briefings that tell you the sky will fall if you have to go get a warrant from a judge.
Oh, we don't have enough judges.
Oh, there's like so many.
Oh, there's already one warrant that was issued.
And I know I'm going to piss off some of my friends in Congress.
They've been texting me and saying, Harmeet, what are you doing?
You're crazy, you know.
But this is the schism.
People no longer trust, on the right, that our government, the FBI, the CIA, the intelligence services, even the police in some cases, are going to quote-unquote do the right thing.
And that is very dangerous because then you're wondering, to protect your family, who's going to protect my family?
I mean, you know, in San Francisco, people have guns in their homes now.
They didn't have that five years ago.
This is a real problem.
tim pool
You look at the issue of Daniel Penney, and that's why I fear that we could get to that point where the right just says, there's no government.
Daniel Penney, we've got, how many slashings in New York?
libby emmons
Oh, there's been so many.
harmeet dhillon
People getting thrown, killed on the subway tracks.
We have become, in a way, in cities particularly, numb to violence.
It is really a problem.
And insensitive to the suffering of our neighbors and more insular in that sense.
libby emmons
Well, you don't even know your neighbors.
You have no idea who.
tim pool
With the Apple River story is particularly important in that it's a regular person.
I remember, you know, 20 or so years ago.
When they were saying, terrorism!
You gotta be worried about the terrorism!
That's why we need the Patriot Act and all that.
The reports were that, no, no.
They'll strike small towns, the terrorists.
They'll come after, you know, Bumpkinville in the far suburbs, you know, because they want you to fear, no matter where you are, the terrorists will come for you.
They want to make sure that everyone feels it.
And so what I fear now, the direction that we're going, is that with the Apple River story, it's a regular guy who's surrounded by a bunch of young people screaming and yelling, shove him, smack him, knock him to the ground, he tries to stand up, they smack him, and then he pulls out a knife, he fights back, he goes to prison.
We have more and more stories like this.
This is why the Kyle Rittenhouse story was so important, and this is years ago.
If you cannot defend yourself from mobs, and we are now in the place where it's becoming more and more that you cannot.
We had the story out of Milwaukee where a guy's house, this is a couple years ago, BLM protesters were outside.
The same organizers had been involved in another protest which resulted in the arson twice of a home.
So this guy knows who these guys are in front of a house screaming, there's like dozens, and he brandishes a shotgun.
They call the police.
BLM calls the police.
The cops show up, pull him out of his house and arrest him.
And before that happened, I was warning people.
If the mob comes to your house and demands that you be arrested, the police will show up and say, what do we do?
We've got a hundred people threatening violence and one guy sitting on his couch watching a game.
libby emmons
Like the McCloskey.
tim pool
Arrest the guy in the house.
It'll be easier.
We don't got to worry about violence and they'll all cheer for it.
And that's what they do.
libby emmons
It's like Fahrenheit 451.
tim pool
The McCloskey's a good example.
The protesters break out of private property, these people are legally armed, and then they get criminally charged.
At some point, I fear, the right is just going to say, the police are clearly just a leftist criminal mafia enforcing the left.
If you're Daniel Penney, you go to jail.
If you're Daniel Perry, you go to jail.
That was the Austin guy, who had to do with a rifle come up to his car.
Not allowed to defend yourself, you go to jail.
libby emmons
He was pointing a rifle at him.
tim pool
Well, he had the rifle at low ready, raising it up.
libby emmons
Well, it was right there.
harmeet dhillon
Right.
tim pool
A far left mob associated with organized factions who have shot and killed people before, had shot people in Provo, Utah.
And this guy sees it do with a rifle, walking up, raising it at low ready.
harmeet dhillon
Masked guy.
OK, so this one simple trick could turn this around, which is conservatives investing in electing conservative prosecutors.
It used to be the case that all prosecutors were conservative.
I mean, who wants to represent the man except for someone who believes in law and order?
But with a relatively low amount of money, I'm talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars to elect a DA, you can change this country.
And so The cops are reacting.
They're not themselves leftists, but they have become demoralized by two things.
One is defund the police, okay?
So to keep your job, you have to kind of be politically correct.
And number two is, why should I arrest criminals when the Marxist DA isn't going to prosecute them?
So those two factors have severely curtailed the effectiveness of the police, demoralized
them, strengthened the establishment types in there that just want to go along, get along,
and the result is a decreased quality of life.
Now, I see so much money.
One of the big things that frustrates me on the conservative side is I see so much money,
tens of millions of dollars annually poured into congressional campaigns that are in no
way in hell going to win.
I mean, I can name some, I don't want to embarrass anybody, but $10 million at a time for people who are blue districts.
If a fraction of that money was spent electing a district attorney in that same blue district, which by the way, a lot of Democrats would vote for because people want law and order in their communities, even Democrats, we could change this country.
But we have to get organized that way and get the grift out of our political side.
tim pool
What I would disagree with you on in the police area is that Who are these cops who gleefully arrest Daniel Penny? So it's
one thing to say, I can't arrest this criminal. They're gonna let him go anyway. It's
another thing to be like, well, I know Daniel Penny did nothing wrong. He's a good Samaritan and a hero,
but I'll gladly be the one to arrest him.
That that I do not believe it's simply cops being demoralized.
I think many of the cops have been fired, removed.
I believe the system is growing increasingly corrupt.
We're talking about New York City, where the police leadership is politically appointed.
They're not going to let defiant cops stay.
So what you end up with is cops who will stand there as, you know, look at Sacramento.
A woman is seen rifling through a smashed window and the cops are just like, Not gonna get involved in that one, but you know what it is.
I call it a negative pressure environment.
Law-abiding citizens, namely conservatives, will gladly, with smiles on their faces, talk to the cops, give all the cops the information, everything they need.
The best example being New York and the Proud Boys, which I've brought up 8,000 times in the past week.
You're familiar with this, right?
Antifa and the Proud Boys fight.
Antifa refuses to talk to the cops.
The Proud Boys shake the hands of the officers and give them their information.
And then the cops smile, arrest the Proud Boys, and put them in prison for four years.
This is the negative pressure environment where cops are like, if I arrest the leftist, they'll fight me.
The conservative will get on their knees and smile as I beat them.
harmeet dhillon
Well, I was in the mob in 2016 in San Jose when I did the Pledge of Allegiance at a Trump rally.
We leave the Trump rally and there's 250 cops there, supposedly.
My husband and I are shaking the hands of the cops saying, thank you for your service.
Turn the corner, there's a mob.
And the police stood there and watched these American citizens, taxpayers, exercising their First Amendment rights, get viciously assaulted.
I sued the San Jose Police Department in the city of San Jose.
And it was shocking to me, that was the turning point for me when I realized at least in big cities, blue cities, you cannot count on the police to come to your aid.
That's happening all over the country now, not just in blue cities.
tim pool
And one of the most important things, certainly we can excuse some suburban police departments.
We can excuse many sheriff's departments with elected police leadership, but conservatives
need to be a anti big blue city cop.
100%.
If you're a blue city cop, you are persona non grata.
The same as the left.
There is no quarter.
You want to come into our coffee shop.
We're not going to serve you the same as they do because what happens then, and I'm talking
about the politically appointed departments where a Democrat appoints a police chief who
makes sure that only the people are marching in line with them, because then you'll get
a guy who's robbing liquor stores and the cops will be like, what's the point of arresting
Then you'll get a good Samaritan like Penny, and they'll say, now that's a guy I can arrest.
Stop supporting them.
They need to be told, you can't do this job.
No one will have your back.
No one will support you.
harmeet dhillon
I'm not sure I agree with that.
I mean, there's a mixture of good cops and cops who have to feel like their hands are tied.
tim pool
Where's a single cop to say, leave Daniel Penney alone?
harmeet dhillon
How many cops were there?
tim pool
No, no, I'm talking about right now, when you've got cops marching him to and from court, or how about Steve Baker and the FBI, all of these, and fine, federal law enforcement can say it's different, but you take a look at, there's always, There's always going to be cops in New York City who will gladly arrest the good guy.
And then there's the good cops who will stand by and watch and take a paycheck.
If you are part of a criminal organization that is committing crimes, I have no sympathy for you.
CBP has agents on the border trafficking children into sex slavery.
The CBP agent in West Virginia is in the same book as far as I'm concerned.
harmeet dhillon
Well, that leads me to another legal issue, which I think it's arcane, but It is conservative judges who created the doctrine of qualified immunity that makes it impossible for citizens who are at the receiving end of police mistakes or worse to sue them and hold them accountable.
And that is an outrage.
And I have sued the police time and again and federal police and prison guards for different crimes they've committed against citizens.
And time and again, they get away with it because of qualified immunity.
They get the benefit of the doubt.
That's not in the Constitution.
It's not even in statute.
It's made up by judges and conservatives perpetuated.
It's a big problem on the right.
tim pool
I think when it comes to places like New York City, and again, I'll stress this.
I've had suburban police departments that were fantastic.
Our sheriffs out here are great.
Talk to us, like work with us when we have issues and help us out quite a bit.
When it comes to New York City, so long as conservatives keep saying, well, because of
the good cops that may be here, which aren't speaking out or doing anything positive, as
far as I'm concerned, I won't bad mouth the department, which is putting the boot on the
neck of good Samaritans.
It's like, nah, look.
If there are no, like the police union of New York should have come out and issued a statement.
Daniel Penney is a hero and this is wrong.
libby emmons
Yeah, I agree with that too.
tim pool
And they should have held a press conference.
Our city streets are becoming corrupt, crooked.
We are getting the blame because we can't arrest it.
No, nothing.
I see these photos of NYPD dragging this guy away in cuffs and I'm like, what?
That's remarkable to me.
If I was a cop, and this is why I would never be, and they said, hey, I want you to cuff that guy and bring him, and I'd be like, no, fire me.
libby emmons
It's not happening.
The thing about the losing confidence in police and losing confidence in the institution of the government, it is part of a continued line of losing trust in our institutions across the board, right?
We no longer have trust in the educational system to actually educate our children at any age, at kindergarten, you know, through college.
We have absolutely no faith in those institutions.
We don't have faith in the institutions of You know, of any of the museums, you know, any of the cultural institutions, any of the media institutions, any of the not-for-profit institutions.
We have NGOs on the border that are working to help, you know, bring illegal immigrants across the border.
Yeah.
They're doing that.
So if we, if conservatives are losing trust in government, it's really just continued dominoes falling.
tim pool
I want to jump to the story and then I have a question for everybody.
It's from Mediaite.
Judge warns Trump he will be jailed if he doesn't show up to court every day of hush money trial.
Trump wanted to go see his son graduate.
He will not be allowed to do this.
Trump will not be allowed to campaign.
This trial is expected to last about a month and a half.
Now, the question I have before we get into all the nitty gritty of this of this trial for everybody is, do you think that if Trump doesn't show up, do you believe that the police departments in New York City will defy orders to arrest Trump or will they gleefully and smile and say, I'm the one who arrested Donald Trump?
libby emmons
I think they'll love it.
They'll get free beers forever at their local pub.
harmeet dhillon
That's right.
Some of them will.
It just takes enough to arrest him.
They'll definitely find cops to do that.
libby emmons
What's interesting is they're going to put the Secret Service in jail.
tim pool
Right.
But I imagine in New York, the response people would say is, well, of course the cops in New York would want to arrest Trump.
The whole legal system's out to get him.
It's all biased and corrupt.
The prosecutors are out to get him.
The judges are out to get him.
You think the New York City dwelling police officers aren't as anti-Trump as everybody else?
Maybe they're slightly better, but we saw around 30 police officers defend Bill de Blasio when he illegally stole taxpayer money to paint Black Lives Matter in front of Trump Tower on 5th Avenue.
libby emmons
Just to stick it to Trump.
tim pool
Stealing tax money to do it, and the cops, with smiles on their faces, defended his right to do this and protected it.
libby emmons
He did not go through the proper channels.
tim pool
Absolutely not.
And cops were happy to uphold the criminal activity.
If Donald Trump was found in contempt, all the police officers, all the guards, all the cops, they would all gleefully arrest and throw him in lockup.
And if they were told to beat him, they'd do it too.
You're not going to be able to come to me and say, oh, a cop.
Are you kidding?
It's New York City.
The judges are doing it.
Every judge Trump has had.
Now you've got a judge telling Trump he can't see his son's graduation.
The charges in this case are a misdemeanor.
For some unknown reason, Braga said this time it's a felony.
libby emmons
Well, and a lot of the misdemeanor counts, the 34 misdemeanor counts, are the same count over again because they give them a count for the invoice, they give them a count for, you know, the recording of the invoice as a legal fee, a recording of a payment as a legal fee, and the recording of the receipt as a legal fee.
So each one of those, that's three counts, it would be the exact same payment.
But it's, it's three counts.
So it's, you know, like if, if Trump's, if, if the Trump organization had made the payment to Michael Cohen, what was it?
You said $134,000.
If there had been one invoice, one check and one receipt, it would only be three counts.
That's all they would have.
harmeet dhillon
But these are retainer payments.
libby emmons
Retainer payments.
Exactly.
harmeet dhillon
Totally $400,000 over a period of time.
And that's actually the defense argument, which is that they were regular payments, regular payments for services rendered in the course of business.
tim pool
And did the payments start before Stormy Nails had been paid off?
harmeet dhillon
Well, Michael Cohen was already Trump's lawyer and had been representing him on other stuff.
So there was a general ongoing legal relationship.
It wasn't just related to the Stormy Daniels matter.
tim pool
Right, right.
My question is, if this is a regular reoccurring retainer payment, did the retainer payments begin before or after Stormy Daniels?
harmeet dhillon
I think they're only targeting these retainer payments that happen after the fact.
I think in other cases he was paid off in different ways for his services.
tim pool
But I guess what I'm asking is, is it a static retainer that's been the same the whole time?
Or did it change?
harmeet dhillon
I think it did change.
And of course, there was an additional need for legal services at the same time as well.
tim pool
So the issue I see is...
Pending some like evidence that certainly Trump would already have to have access to that shows Trump explicitly saying to Cohen, I want you to pay her off to shut her up, but don't worry, I'll hide the money through retainers.
I don't know how you prove this.
harmeet dhillon
Well, you can't prove it, and that's why the Department of Justice, Alvin Bragg's predecessor, everyone who looked at it, the Federal Election Commission experts, everyone has said this cannot be charged as an election crime or a crime at all because you can't prove it.
The two key witnesses are known liars, Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen has pled to lying in court, and so Stormy Daniels has an affidavit out there saying, none of this happened.
This is all lies.
Had a relationship with Donald Trump.
How can you prove that case?
A legitimate prosecutor would never bring this case.
Only a prosecutor goring a political axe would bring this case.
libby emmons
And weren't the payments made to a media company instead?
Wasn't it like a catch and kill situation?
harmeet dhillon
There's a number of different factual scenarios in there.
tim pool
Do you think Trump gets convicted?
harmeet dhillon
You only need one juror.
So the question is, who is the jury, right?
You need one juror to hang the jury.
And so that's really what's going on here.
Now, the judge has stacked the deck there by allowing dozens of questions of the jury pool that ask whether they support Trump, but has eliminated questions about whether you support Biden.
He's also eliminated all Orthodox Jews from serving on this jury by ensuring That trial goes, most trials in most courts around the country, they're dark on Fridays, meaning the judge attends to other business, injunctions, hearings, settlement conferences.
He's bringing the one day a week on Wednesday, which screws over President Trump from holding rallies on the weekends that he likes to do, so he cuts into his rally time.
And no Orthodox Jew can serve on a jury where it's all day court on Friday.
tim pool
I'm just wondering why Trump is complying.
harmeet dhillon
Well, what can he do?
He's going to be in contempt of court.
He's in a legal process.
He doesn't have a choice.
tim pool
I do not believe this is a legal process, and I think it's only considered one because Trump agrees.
So when you have what is not a criminal charge, when the DOJ and the FEC say this is not criminal, there's no evidence of a crime being committed to the point where the Fed said no, and you have everything you described I suppose the only thing is Trump is like, no, no, we'll go because I'm going to get airtime.
I'm going to be the number one story in the country over and over and over again.
They're not going to prove it.
It's going to make me look like a victim.
I think the only strategy is that Trump's like, it benefits me.
Why not?
harmeet dhillon
Well, look, I think he's making the most of it certainly, um, politically, but nobody wants to be in this situation.
And, uh, I hope that they can seat a good jury where one person is honest and says, this is BS.
It's possible.
It's happened.
tim pool
Doesn't a hung jury mean they try them again?
harmeet dhillon
Maybe, but once Jeopardy has attached, he can't be tried twice for the same crime.
That's not a hung jury, that's failure to convict.
Hung jury is when they don't reach a decision.
tim pool
So if only one juror refuses.
harmeet dhillon
That's right, in a criminal case in New York.
tim pool
Oh, then they can't convict him.
harmeet dhillon
Then they cannot try him again.
tim pool
Interesting.
Yes.
So what would happen if, so there's 12 jurors, One of them says he's not guilty and 11 say he is.
What would they report then to the judge?
We've been unable to come to a decision or it's it's not unanimous.
How would they report that?
harmeet dhillon
Well, they don't have 12 people to convict.
The judge would first instruct them to go back and try again, and try again.
That's what this judge would do.
How long would they do that?
There's no manual for that.
The judge has to make his own determination as to whether it's possible for this jury to reach a verdict.
tim pool
Would they then come out and say, Your Honor, we have been unable to come to a verdict?
harmeet dhillon
Well, that one juror may be able to convince other people as well.
tim pool
I guess my question is, do you need a unanimous not guilty or a unanimous guilty?
harmeet dhillon
You need a unanimous guilty to convict him.
tim pool
He's not guilty.
one person refuses, is it just, he's not guilty?
harmeet dhillon
He's not guilty.
tim pool
The jury would come out and say, we find the defendant not guilty.
harmeet dhillon
When the jury is done with its deliberations, when people are ready to go home, you know,
it's not guilty.
tim pool
But so just to clarify, if one juror says not guilty, the foreman reports to the judge,
we have found the defendant not guilty.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, I don't, that I don't know the niceties of New York law on that, but my understanding
is one juror refusing to convict in this case results in a not guilty verdict.
After all, deliberations are concluded.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
What I'm wondering is, how would you get a hung jury then?
harmeet dhillon
Hung jury is, they come back and they say, we don't have an agreement.
Right.
But if you have 11 saying yes and one saying no, isn't that... Well, what happens at the end of the day is they get worn down and, you know, they tend to reach some kind of a verdict.
tim pool
Yeah.
I kind of feel like in New York, they're going to say guilty.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah.
Well, I, like I said, you need one.
unidentified
You need one.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Is it like after, if the judge was like, go back, re-deliberate, three days go by, if the judge is like, we're coming back next week, all week until you guys get it, is that unethical?
harmeet dhillon
Well, at a certain point, people are going to, you know, peace out of that, right?
You know, he's given them a certain period of time of this trial, and people have gone to their bosses, gone to their lives.
And one thing to keep in mind, there are two alternates as well.
So there's actually 14 people who are going to be seated.
And so What happens in a really long trial is you risk losing jurors during that process.
And so, you know, it has been the case where a juror in week six of a trial leaves.
They're like, I'm sorry, I'm sick.
My wife is sick.
You know, I, my boss needs me or whatever.
And then one of the alternates comes in.
So they do have a fail safe for that, but it's, you know, I've had, I've had trials where that happens.
ian crossland
If you go down to 11 jurors, is the case need to be retried from the top?
harmeet dhillon
Uh, if you go down to 11 jurors, you don't have 12.
Yes.
ian crossland
And the jurors can just leave whenever they want?
If one of them's like, sorry, I gotta go.
harmeet dhillon
No, they can't leave whenever they want.
They'd be in contempt of court if they did that.
But judges excuse jurors for hardships.
For example, I'm having a heart attack, I've got COVID, my son died, whatever, some emergency happens, then that's what happens.
ian crossland
We just were watching one case a few weeks ago where it went Wednesday, they couldn't come to a decision.
Thursday, no decision.
Friday, yeah, Friday afternoon, everyone wanted to go home, they made a decision.
They just threw the guy under the bus.
libby emmons
Was it the grandma?
Was it that grandma?
ian crossland
What was it?
It was a guilty verdict.
tim pool
No, it was Doug Mackey.
Oh, the meme guy.
He said, they were hung.
He said, go back.
They come back, they were hung.
He said, go back.
And then finally they were just like, we just want to go home.
libby emmons
Just say he's guilty.
I would literally never do that.
I would be like, I'm moving into the courthouse.
I would literally never do that.
harmeet dhillon
The tricky part here is that, you know, I saw a conservative commentator earlier today saying, you know, one citizen needs to get on that jury.
But to get on that jury as a Trump supporter, you'd have to lie.
You'd have to suppress that.
People do that.
It happens all the time.
I tried a pro-life case involving the First Amendment in San Francisco, and there were people who wanted to get on that jury.
We could tell because they were adamantly pro-choice and they wanted to see my client fry.
And so it's the job of the lawyers to suss that out.
And at the end of the day, a judge's refusal to balance a juror who's clearly biased is reversible error.
But by that time, the conviction would have happened.
So that's like the jeopardy here is I'm confident, you know, at the end of the day that these kinds of things will get sussed out.
tim pool
Well, we have this from AP.
Trump's historic hush money trial gets underway.
First day ends without any jurors being picked.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that normal?
harmeet dhillon
Well, so what happened much of the day-to-day was the judge ruling on threshold motions and setting some rules.
For example, his lawyer asked, well, he has these two things.
First of all, there's the important family matter of his son graduating in a six-week trial.
I've had six-week trials.
It's normal for the judge to say, yeah, you can have that day off.
It's courteous and normal.
The judge has business to attend to, right?
Next week, President Trump has a constitutional right to be at the hearing at the United States Supreme Court over immunity.
And this judge says, if you go to that hearing, which is your constitutional right, your due process right, I will jail you.
I will jail you for attending a very important other hearing.
He has to go.
libby emmons
Do you think Trump will go to the Supreme Court?
I don't feel like he will, yeah, right?
tim pool
He has to.
The headline.
harmeet dhillon
It won't surprise me that the judge's frankly outrageous orders in this regard get called.
Someone's going to call the bluff.
tim pool
Trump must go to the Supreme Court.
harmeet dhillon
There are these two different things.
tim pool
The news headline, Trump held in contempt to be jailed for attending oral arguments in Supreme Court case.
libby emmons
It's a crazy time.
tim pool
Man.
libby emmons
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
This weekend was nuts.
It was like a lever got pulled.
They said like the news had jammed up in the machine and then someone took a big cotton swab the size of Cuomo's nose and jammed it in there to knock it all loose and now it's just ripping.
ian crossland
Saturday I went and had a beer for the first time in a long time and I was just sitting alone at the brewery just like looking out over the river just thanking God that I was in a peaceful place and that's when the fucking The missiles came flying.
tim pool
The drones came in while I was sitting there.
And you look at your phone and it's like, missiles fired in Israel.
ian crossland
I got home and it's like, oh, another... Like, what?
I don't know if I'm just part of a greater... Like, I do believe there's more to life than just me getting up and doing my thing.
We're connected and I don't know.
tim pool
You know, it was kind of wild because it was like Saturday night and we were hanging out at the poker room and the game got turned off for breaking news.
Iran had fired missiles at Israel.
And I just look up and I was like, in the poker room?
libby emmons
Really?
tim pool
Wow.
All these poor old guys trying to just get away and just relax with their buddies, and now it's like, hey, World War III is happening.
libby emmons
My latest fantasies are about being off-grid.
Like, that's what I imagine.
I'm like, total peace, no noise, no Twitter, no phone, nothing.
Just the sound of chickens.
Well, or little birds or these crazy bees we got out here.
We got the craziest prehistoric bees.
They're like... Prehistoric?
They seem it with wingspan.
They're the size of my palm.
tim pool
Are you talking about carpenter bees?
libby emmons
I don't know.
Whatever they are, they're flying around my house.
ian crossland
Those big carpenter bees?
tim pool
Yeah, but those are everywhere.
Those are in New Jersey.
libby emmons
They're not in Brooklyn.
I will tell you that.
harmeet dhillon
They're certainly not in Brooklyn.
So let me just circle back to a question you asked.
So lawyers use two different terms.
So a failure to reach a verdict is also known as a mistrial.
And in the event of the mistrial, he can be retried.
So if there's 11 to 1 and there's no agreement, the 1 doesn't persuade the 11, that's a mistrial.
And so then the prosecutor has to decide if they want to bring the case again.
tim pool
And they will.
harmeet dhillon
And they will, but that might happen after the election.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
I kind of feel like the trial's already fake.
harmeet dhillon
The trial is fake.
This trial would never have been brought by a non-hack, non-Marxist DA.
libby emmons
Well, this is a DA who, as soon as he came into office, he was all on board for bail reform, letting people out of prison, definitely not prosecuting people for certain crimes, reducing 52% of felonies, I think I saw, I was looking at it today, to misdemeanors, and suddenly we're aggravating these misdemeanors to felonies for no good reason.
unidentified
Well, that's the point.
harmeet dhillon
I was making that all over the country.
These Marxist DAs will prosecute you for your free speech.
We'll prosecute you for defending your home.
We'll prosecute you for defending your person.
We'll prosecute you over bogus stuff like this, but they won't prosecute people breaking into your car, stealing your stuff, raping your wife.
They won't prosecute those crimes that everyone knows.
libby emmons
They prosecute you for defending yourself, for defending your wife.
harmeet dhillon
They'll prosecute you for defending yourself.
And I'm talking about literally Millions of dollars is all it takes to buy up all the DAs in the big cities in America.
libby emmons
So why are there not a lot of, I mean, there's a lot of leftist donors.
There's Soros buying up DAs.
Why do we not have a lot of conservative donors?
harmeet dhillon
That is the question.
Why do we not have conservative donors who are investing in On the left, they're cultists.
And so advancing the cult is its own reward.
On the right, it's like, well, I'm trying to make money.
If you can't make money, then what's the point?
being the consultant to a race like that, it's not glamorous.
And so I think that's a real problem on our side.
They don't have that problem on the other side.
tim pool
Yeah, the left, they're cultists.
And so advancing the cult is its own reward.
On the right, it's like, well, I'm trying to make money.
If you can't make money, then what's the point?
libby emmons
On the right, it's where's my return.
tim pool
But the MAGA faction is the ideological faction of the right where passion and conviction matters
more than just the money.
But of course, meritocracy plays a role in that, so people are trying to make money.
You're always going to have a tough time fighting communists.
The communists are driven by religious fervor.
unidentified
I don't know what to tell you.
tim pool
You don't have a strong Christian fervor.
You've got a decent one, but they're too nice.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, but the thing is there aren't that many Marxists in this country.
It's just that the ones that there are are elevated into positions of power.
And a lot of people in the country are sheep, and they go along and they get along.
And so you're holding out hope for the youth of this country?
The youth of this country, particularly people in college age, first of all, college is a brainwashing machine for most Americans.
Good kids go in and complete useless Idiots come out even prior to that you have these Rainbow-haired weirdos teaching teaching the lower Teaching the elementary in the secondary schools.
And so I have you know It's only kids who are being homeschooled or kids who somehow have very strong values at home who aren't coming out ruined out of that Educational is him in our country That is true, but we're also seeing Gen Z is pushing more to the right than any other generation we've seen before.
tim pool
It's a historical trend breaker.
Typically, every generation moves slightly leftward on issues, namely cultural issues, but this time, Gen Z is actually... It was a few years ago, it's hilarious, six years ago, we saw Gen Z shift rightward, and then in the past couple of years, it's been a dramatic bang.
I mean, support for same-sex marriage among Gen Z, according to a couple new polls, is lower than boomers and millennials.
libby emmons
It's been shoved down their throat and they're just sick of it.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
You know, they, their, their teachers come to school with multicolored hair talking about their different neo pronouns and the kids are just like, oh my goodness, why are we doing this?
tim pool
The, but the issue of same sex marriage I think is something else.
I think when you see the polling showing that also young men are moving very much to the right and young women to the left, I think you've got young guys who are watching Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate, and they're just thinking to themselves.
libby emmons
My kid watches my son.
He's 14.
He likes Matt Walsh.
tim pool
Well, Matt Walsh is in terms of like, I think that Andrew Tate does have a lot of good things, but I do think Matt Walsh is better in terms of like a father figure type inspiration for a variety of reasons.
libby emmons
I much prefer watching Matt Walsh to Andrew Tate.
tim pool
Yeah, Andrew Tate's a bit, he has a lot of silly videos he makes, they're pretty funny, but Matt Walsh is like a dad, you know what I mean?
That's good.
libby emmons
Mm-hmm.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Seems like a good dad too.
tim pool
But I think a lot of it has to do with young men being told they're bad, they're the problem, and they're just tired of it.
ian crossland
I bet a lot of them went through school and were playing along and knew it was ridiculous saying words they didn't agree with, and now they're out of school and they're like, I have freedom now?
Alright, that stuff was ridiculous.
tim pool
I think a big component of it is...
When you're in school and you hear all these sweet nothings about how you deserve.
You deserve this, and you deserve that, and shouldn't you get this, and shouldn't you get that?
You're thinking, yeah, I do deserve this, I do deserve that.
Then you graduate, get a job, work really hard, and then you look at your paycheck, and you realize...
Yeah, the other people deserved your money, apparently.
That was your idea.
And they immediately go, whoa!
No, hold on.
I worked.
I deserve my paycheck.
No, no.
You, as a young person, advocated that the people who aren't working deserve your paycheck.
And so you lost it.
And then they immediately do a 180 and say, okay, that was a mistake.
I also think dating plays a big role in it as well.
Younger guys hitting, hitting, reaching an impasse where they're like, how do I start a family?
How do I get a house?
serge du preez
Yeah, I mean, you know What If All History, that Red Dirt guy?
ian crossland
Yeah.
serge du preez
He released a video this weekend called the Upcoming Instill Rebellion, and then it got taken down by YouTube.
unidentified
Really?
serge du preez
For reasons.
Then he posted a whole clip about it, he reposted and everything like that, but just reasons, right?
tim pool
He put it back on YouTube?
serge du preez
I believe so.
He was reposting it when I read the post and I was waiting for it to upload, but... Wow.
Just reasons, right?
tim pool
He's not wrong.
When young men become listless and purposeless, you get revolts.
They have nothing to do, they find ideologies, and then they lash out.
ian crossland
And if they don't revolt, they'll go to another country.
Oh wait, that's- we're the country that they went to.
libby emmons
Exactly.
tim pool
And they're here.
harmeet dhillon
They're here.
unidentified
It wasn't what it was advertised as.
tim pool
Well, you'd think many of them would leave, but it's being facilitated.
harmeet dhillon
Where would they go?
This is still the best country in the world.
tim pool
Yeah, but, you know, I went to, I was in France covering the migrant crisis there several years ago.
This is like, man, seven years ago.
And we interviewed migrants in Paris.
It was cold.
And they said, it's so cold I hate it here.
I don't want to be here anymore.
I don't like the cold.
I've never had the cold before.
These are people who came from Sub-Saharan Africa, economic migrants who were promised jobs and opportunity.
If they went on this dangerous trek, they were told that France wanted them there.
The people working in these countries are saying, you know, France is asking for migrants to come and take jobs, and they're like, really?
So they came.
Then they were put into these big inflatable tents that were freezing, and they're standing outside being like, I've never experienced cold before, and this is awful.
unidentified
I want to go home.
libby emmons
That's like what's happening in Chicago.
Yep.
Except in Chicago, they're also getting, what, measles and tuberculosis?
tim pool
Yes, they are.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
It's going great.
tim pool
Yeah.
Chicago is going to be a, it's going to be brutal for a lot of these.
It was brutal for a lot of these people not realizing just how cold Chicago gets.
libby emmons
Venezuelans were going home.
tim pool
You know what was really crazy?
I went to the Chicago market this Christmas, and it was impossible to be in.
And it was the weirdest thing.
libby emmons
What do you mean impossible?
tim pool
It was shoulder-to-shoulder, and you couldn't actually do anything.
So the Chicago market happens during Christmas, and normally it's like you walk in, you walk around, there's shops everywhere, they come from all over the world, and then you leave.
This time, it was... you couldn't even get in.
I was just like, I don't know if it's even worth going into because everyone's just standing smash shoulder to shoulder, moving two inches.
And I'm like, what's happening to the city?
And of course, most of the people there were not from there.
libby emmons
They were just wanting to be inside.
tim pool
No, what I'm saying is it was a lot of migrants.
I don't know if they were illegal immigrants or otherwise, but there were a lot of people who were not from Chicago.
Maybe they were tourists or otherwise, but I'm like, don't we, aren't these people, the same people saying we're overpopulated, like advocating for mass migration into our cities that they claim are overpopulated?
Doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
libby emmons
It doesn't, does it?
unidentified
No.
harmeet dhillon
None of it makes sense unless you think about it being used to change the outcome of elections, which I think is one of the things the left is doing with this.
tim pool
Well, one of the stories that we've pulled up quite a bit is the Help America Vote Verification System.
So let me pull this up once again.
We have the week ending March 30th, and we'll take a look over at our good friend Texas.
Now, we brought this up several times.
The Social Security Administration says 225,000 people registered to vote without IDs.
190,000 matches were found.
registered to vote without IDs.
190,000 matches were found.
4,515 were deceased.
When it came to Missouri, apparently the statement was that they were doing voter roll.
They're cleaning up the voter rolls and verifying their voter rolls.
But the HAVV according to SSA is only for new voter registrants, not for you to clean your logs.
It would make sense that they were doing that, that's why there's so many.
But Texas issued a statement saying it's not happening and that it must be an error.
So, Harmeet, I'm wondering, you work with the RNC, if you guys are aware of what this is and why it's happening, because, well, if Texas were to flip blue, and there has been speculation it may go blue, maybe many people from California move to Texas and Texas is winner-take-all, Democrats need only one swing state, not even.
If Missouri and Texas both turned blue, Biden wins.
Trump could win every swing state.
Biden will win if he gets those two.
So, I'm wondering if you guys have seen the story, what do you think it might mean, or what are the plans the RNC has for dealing with ballot harvesting and other initiatives?
harmeet dhillon
Well, I don't know what the plans are.
Specifically, I'm not actively involved in any of that.
I'm not part of the RNC's management at this point.
I am assured that there are plans, but the good news is that there are outside groups as well who are focusing on these issues, and Turning Point USA is one.
I know there's some apps out there that folks are looking for.
There's an app a friend of mine has made called Veatchee, and they have a whole plan to use gamification to recruit citizens to help get their fellow citizens to vote.
But the problem is that in most of the United States, efforts to impose voter ID requirements or even a hard requirement at the registration phase have been dismantled by the left.
And again, well-funded liberal so-called nonprofits that are really political in nature have systematically opposed every attempt by red states to impose voter ID, to confirm to confirm eligibility, which now Republicans are coming around to that we really have to up the ante on this.
But I was just looking this up right now.
In Texas, you can evade their voter ID requirement, avoid the voter ID requirement when it comes to registering to vote by filling out an affidavit, but there's a hardship, a substantial impediment declaration.
And with that, you can avoid the voter ID requirement, which is, you know, when you're talking about tens of thousands of people doing that, suddenly that doesn't look like tens of thousands of people having a problem finding their ID or what have you.
It seems like something systematic, right?
tim pool
If it's true that 1.5 million, I don't know, non-citizens, illegals or otherwise, have registered in Texas, it certainly sounds like Texas will be a Democrat state this election.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah.
I mean, I think I'm sure people are looking into this.
This happened two weeks ago, April 4th.
The Secretary of State released a statement confirming that individuals are not required to have an ID to register to vote.
They only have to produce a Social Security number.
Well, you know, some refugees get social security numbers.
And so, you know, that's the problem.
Now you're relying on them, and this is the case throughout the United States, to self-certify.
For example, when we've driven voter registration to the DMV, which of course is like,
we all know the most competent arm of the government, you self-certify there that you are eligible
to be United States voter.
And the problem is complicated by the fact that in many states increasingly, and in urban elections,
you don't have to be a citizen to vote in those elections.
So, varies by state law, of course, but in California and San Francisco, the notorious example
is illegal aliens are entitled to vote for school board because their children, that the argument is,
our children are educated in the schools.
So there's a whole second tier system.
So they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars setting up the system.
At the end of the day, 43 people or something like that registered to vote under that system.
So, it really blurs, and that's intentional.
The intent is to confuse or, you know, enable people who are not citizens to vote in this country.
And then, four years from now or six years from now, there's going to be rioting over that issue.
Why aren't we allowed to vote in federal elections as well?
And Congress could actually shut that down.
I started looking at this issue almost a decade ago.
Congress could shut that down by passing a law saying that in the United States, You know, there are people who are federalist objections to this, but I think it's a real national problem at this point.
And you could condition it on federal funding or what have you, but you could make a rule that says in the United States, you cannot vote in any election unless you are a United States citizen.
And so that means school board or local municipal city council or whatever, and they could tie it to funding.
If you want any federal funding to run your elections, which by the way, they all want, you know, they're going to comply with that, like the seatbelt rules and other rules like that.
libby emmons
What about you had Mike Johnson and Donald Trump on Friday talking together about how Johnson was going to propose a bill requiring people to prove that they are U.S.
citizens before they're allowed to vote?
harmeet dhillon
Right.
So the left is responding to that by saying, well, that's already the law.
Correct.
It's already the law that in federal elections you have to be a citizen.
The problem is you don't have to produce ID to prove that you're a citizen.
You simply check a box and say, I'm a citizen.
I'm entitled to vote.
And indeed, there have been many instances where, you know, legitimate American green card holders, legal residents, have voted in federal elections because they checked the wrong box when they were registering their vehicle or what have you.
They updated their voter registration.
They got themselves in the voter rolls, and then they got the ballots, because the ballots were mailed to them, and then they voted.
And now they're felons, effectively.
They can never become American citizens if the law is applied correctly, because that's an excludable offense.
You can actually be deported for that.
libby emmons
Which it ought to be, really.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, it ought to be.
But on the other hand, somebody who doesn't speak English as their first language goes to get their driver's license, and they check the wrong box.
Someone mails them a ballot, And boom, they become disqualified to be a citizen in a lawful country.
Now, is that really happening?
I'm not aware of people being deported for that.
The problem is rather the opposite problem, which I think is Democrats encouraging people to vote without proper authorization.
tim pool
I think that one of the big plays they'll make is, you alluded to it already, with, hey, why can't we vote in federal elections?
They've already started using the phrase undocumented citizens, and they'll try and shift the language, and they'll make the argument that citizen simply means a person who lives here, so that in 10, 20 years, they can say, hey, we can't have it, a two-tiered system of citizenship, where if you're an undocumented citizen, you can't vote.
All citizens should be allowed to vote, and then they'll try and make it so that the moment you cross that border, you can vote.
harmeet dhillon
Well, I think that is the view of the left.
I think that is absolutely the view of the left, and you hear it from educated leftists who say, well, what do you mean they don't pay taxes?
They pay taxes.
They pay sales tax.
Their taxes are withheld because they're working, they've entered their social security number, they're paying into the system.
No, they're not.
That's a lie.
But the dirty secret of all of this is, why is this even controversial on the right?
Because many American Republican donors have made their money off of the backs of illegal workers in their businesses, in agriculture, in meatpacking, you name it.
In every industry like that, where a lot of cheap labor is required, it is convenient and inexpensive and improves their bottom line and their sales to be able to compete with Mexico by simply hiring undocumented workers.
That's a dirty fact.
tim pool
Yeah, that's why Trump's a threat to them.
Because Trump actually had raids on chicken processing plants when he was president, and it resulted in, like, I think 800 deportations.
libby emmons
That's right, in, like, Alabama or something.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, and then these companies... And those were Republican donors.
tim pool
And then Democrats made the arguments, but nobody wants to do these jobs!
And then, sure enough, tons of people showed up who were Americans who wanted those jobs.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And there was a reporter who asked, Sir, are you here for the job fair?
I am.
Why would you want to take a job like this?
He goes, what do you mean?
It pays more money than my last job.
It was that simple.
It was a better job.
So they lie.
What they want to do is they want to compete with non-citizens so that American workers are displaced.
American workers says, look, standard of living here.
I need, I need money for my family.
I got to make 15, 20 bucks an hour.
And they go, nah, we're going to give this non-citizen seven bucks an hour.
He'll take it.
libby emmons
Well, what Americans want, it's not that there are jobs Americans are unwilling to do.
Americans want a fair wage and good working conditions.
Right.
And the dignity that comes along with earning your own living and supporting your family.
tim pool
That costs money.
libby emmons
I don't know.
That's what I want.
tim pool
The people who aren't from this country are like, look, I make $3 an hour back where I'm from.
If I can get $7, that'd be fantastic.
I don't care what the conditions are.
And then these companies exploit them.
libby emmons
And they put them in dorms, and they take their passports, and they don't let them leave, and they do it.
harmeet dhillon
Not in California, by the way.
They all have lawyers.
They all have Marcia's lawyers, too.
No, that's not happening.
People are getting paid pretty well to do jobs that Americans would be willing to do.
tim pool
Oh, I went to the Salton Sea during the drought coverage, and I met some young guys who were skateboarding.
They said their parents were, uh, they harvested fruit on fruit farms, uh, not too far away.
And they got 20 bucks an hour.
And they were not citizens.
And he was like, he, he was born here.
libby emmons
His parents- Says our Chavez would be overwhelmed.
tim pool
Yeah, he said that he was born there, and so, you know, he's a citizen, but his parents aren't, so he tries to be careful.
But his parents make about 20 bucks an hour each, collecting the fruit, harvesting the fruit.
And I was like, 20 bucks an hour?
And this was 10 years ago.
I was like, wow.
A lot of Americans would love to have those jobs.
But the issue isn't so much about the pay, it's about the legal requirements.
If it's an American citizen working there, you've got liability issues.
If it's a non-citizen, they simply tell them, hey, anything bad happens, you're getting kicked out of the country.
harmeet dhillon
That doesn't work anymore, actually.
tim pool
Not in California.
harmeet dhillon
Like I said, there's a lot of lawyers for all people on the West Coast.
They're still...
But for a business, all it takes is a couple of bucks worth of profit.
So you could pay an American slightly higher, you can pay somebody a little bit less, and our entire restaurant industry is built on that.
All the food we eat is built on illegal labor in this country.
Wow.
libby emmons
That's what Chuck Schumer always said.
harmeet dhillon
It's a fact.
libby emmons
Yeah.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah.
libby emmons
About why we should allow massive illegal immigration.
harmeet dhillon
That's why we should allow it.
Look at what stuff costs in Norway.
It costs like five times what it costs here in America because not that many people live there and they're all kind of very tightly controlled labor market, very strictly controlled labor market.
tim pool
Man, people gotta bring back the small town.
Up in Martinsburg, the diner closed and it's really sad.
libby emmons
Oh no!
tim pool
Yeah, it closed a while ago.
That's too bad.
I remember there was a place on the north side, there was a, the city's developing, it's getting bigger,
chain restaurants are coming in, and there was this classic looking 50s diner,
hole in the wall, that clearly was from the 50s and had not been repaired since.
And you'd walk in and it was one of those diners where it's like a thin strip,
you can sit at the counter and then that's all you had.
And I think it was just one old guy who made all the food.
You'd walk and sit down, you want a burger, fries, pancakes, waffle, sausage, whatever, basic diner stuff.
And he'd make it right behind you and then he'd flip it over, hand it to you.
And then I remember a few years ago, I went back to the holidays and it was just gone,
shut down out of business.
What I assume happened is the old guy just either retired or died,
and there was no one to inherit this like, this classic local place.
And so what's happening now is these businesses close, the chains come in,
and you're getting this plasticification of our cities.
And that's nightmarish.
libby emmons
Yeah, the de-authentification of it.
harmeet dhillon
Well, look, a lot of that, of course, was accelerated by COVID.
And even in foodie Mecca where I live, San Francisco, the majority of the restaurants have shut.
Like our favorite restaurants are pretty much all gone.
And the ones that are there are suddenly charging like 30 bucks for an entree.
It's crazy.
libby emmons
It is expensive.
Like getting takeout is really expensive.
I was recently in Brooklyn and the Kellogg Diner in Williamsburg, it's gone.
tim pool
Really?
libby emmons
It's closed.
tim pool
That really?
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
It's close.
Yeah.
libby emmons
I used to eat there like all the time.
Me too.
I used to go there with my kid all the time.
tim pool
It's like two blocks from Vice.
libby emmons
Yeah, exactly.
It's right there, like, you know, right in Williamsburg, right under QE, right on the, yeah, right there.
tim pool
Kellogg Diner, man.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I was going by in an Uber and I was just like, what, what is this?
What happened?
tim pool
Man.
Everything's turning to plastic.
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't like the deauthentification of culture.
ian crossland
It's expensive to keep good ingredients, too.
Mom-and-pop shops tend to have a challenge keeping up with the cost of ingredients, because then if they cut costs and they end up using crappy, you know, three-day-old grease to fry their french fries in because they can't afford to buy new grease every day, then you can taste it and the fries suck.
tim pool
Everything is just Cisco these days.
libby emmons
But the thing, too, is, like, the people who are running the corporate chain restaurants, they don't care about the food that they give you.
And so everything is just super mid, you know, there's like nothing good about it.
I've recently been thinking about that and I'm just kind of like I'm done eating other people's food.
You know, I just want to eat my own food.
tim pool
We need like the idea of you waking up with the family.
You take your kids to the diner and there's old Mr. Belvedere, whatever his name is, and he's the guy who's making the sandwiches and the pancakes and he puts the little happy face in the pancakes for the little kid.
And, you know, he's part of the community.
Everybody knows him.
Now it's like you walk into the local diner, there's people you've never seen before.
You don't know him.
No one cares.
No one talks to each other.
unidentified
No one knows their neighbors.
harmeet dhillon
I was going to say Mr. Belvedere.
Mr. Belvedere is now Ms.
Belvedere.
libby emmons
There's that.
tim pool
Well, Mr. and Mrs. Belvedere... He's confused.
harmeet dhillon
No, Mr. Belvedere is trans.
tim pool
But it should be Mr. and Mrs. Belvedere who run the local diner, and they're both there.
harmeet dhillon
It should be.
tim pool
The family knows them, and on Christmas there's a Christmas tree, and there's a wreath on the door, and they say, we always go in on Christmas Eve to see the, you know, the Belvedere family, and they cook us French toast sticks, and there's little trains in the corner.
Now it's corporate chains with people you've never seen before who don't know you, don't care, don't know your neighbor's names.
People can't afford rent.
There's homeless people everywhere.
There's human crap all over the streets.
libby emmons
You don't trust the people teaching your own kid.
harmeet dhillon
Well, cooking for yourself is no joke right now, either.
I cook a lot at home.
And, you know, the $200 worth of groceries is $400 worth of groceries now, suddenly.
libby emmons
It is so much more expensive.
unidentified
It's crazy.
harmeet dhillon
It's double what it was a year ago, I feel like.
ian crossland
How many days of food does that?
harmeet dhillon
For us, maybe, well, it's two of us, and it's a week of admittedly bougie food.
But, you know, real good food, halibut and salmon and crab and healthy food.
tim pool
And like that $15 Nancy Pelosi ice cream?
harmeet dhillon
The Jenny's ice cream.
libby emmons
She had a freezer full of it.
tim pool
Yeah, that's kind of crazy.
ian crossland
I've been ordering ready-made meals, but they're expensive.
They're like 13 bucks a meal.
And I'm like, Yeah.
But meat, then I'm looking at the cost of meat, $18 a pound for some of this meat.
I'm like, would I even save money if I cooked?
unidentified
I don't know.
harmeet dhillon
I don't think you save money, but you get better food.
I mean, that's what I do.
I don't do it to save money.
I do it to know what's in my food.
tim pool
I think going out for food is important though.
I think the idea of Saturday morning, you go out to the diner and you know your community and you recognize your friends and your neighbors and everyone's getting pancakes or whatever.
libby emmons
Yeah, if it's good.
harmeet dhillon
That's true.
We live in a small town on weekends on the coast and we make a point of doing that and it is really nice.
But in the city, it's a whole different story.
ian crossland
Yeah, what's in the food?
You don't know what's in it.
I mean, if times really get crunchy, you may really want to know what's in that food before you start eating it.
tim pool
Yeah, I love this meme.
They said, uh, if you went to the 1950s and showed a video of a major city today, they would be shocked.
You are living in the nightmare dystopia.
libby emmons
Oh, yeah, for sure.
We've been in the nightmare dystopia for a while.
ian crossland
But if you went to the 1950s, they'd be like, have your pancakes.
We're getting ready to get shipped off to Korea.
Like they didn't have some lard.
So it was like a lot of smiling and like Main Street had a lot of balloons on it.
But like kids were getting shipped off to get their legs blown off in the jungle against their will.
It was a horrible time.
It was a war machine at its peak.
And that was we were living.
That was that whole like American dream thing was the war machine at its peak.
I don't know what it was like before the 1800s.
unidentified
Were there like local Candies.
tim pool
What was the best year?
Is there a good year right before the war started?
Right before Korea?
Right after World War II?
libby emmons
I don't know.
I think the 90s were pretty baller.
ian crossland
Yeah, the 90s.
tim pool
That's true.
libby emmons
They were great.
I feel like the 90s were the pinnacle of American civilization.
It was like the reward we had for everything terrible that had happened.
harmeet dhillon
I like the 70s.
libby emmons
You like the 70s?
harmeet dhillon
I love the 70s.
I love the fashion.
The Vietnam.
I was a kid.
Like, I love the music.
I love the fashion.
I love the, you know, Saturday Night Fever.
I love the cheesy movies.
unidentified
I loved all of that.
ian crossland
Jimmy Carter.
libby emmons
Oh, that's right.
Jimmy Carter.
harmeet dhillon
I mean, I long today for a Democrat leader who's like, Jimmy Carter.
Principled, totally wrong, but I think sincere.
That was a different era of Democrat.
I think he was a good man, at least.
He was a sincere guy, a good guy.
We don't have them like that anymore.
Joe Biden is literally the antithesis of somebody like that.
tim pool
I think the reason the 70s probably takes the cake is just because they gave us Rasputin by Boney M, and nothing else matters.
That's just one of the top songs of all time.
harmeet dhillon
Bell bottoms.
ian crossland
I don't know the reference, but I'm a huge 70s fan.
The music and the fashion.
tim pool
You don't know Rasputin?
ian crossland
No, I don't know the reference of the 70s because I wasn't around.
harmeet dhillon
I know Boney M is very popular and where I come from in India.
tim pool
Oh yeah, yeah.
Boney M, fantastic.
Was it Daddy Cool?
What else have they got?
Rivers of Babylon?
Bohemian Rhapsody is like the greatest song ever written.
unidentified
Led Zeppelin.
tim pool
Bohemian Rhapsody is like the greatest ever the idea that one that you can walk out
ian crossland
Snap your fingers and have some food handed to you is like what kind of luxury we're living in this world
we I mean I've been accustomed to my whole life that you go to friendlies
and get ice cream or like go to a Dairy Queen and eat burger meat at a snap of a finger and have you guys seen
tim pool
these dystopian PSA commercials where it's like I
Just saw one recently where it's three guys are playing Xbox and one guy runs over and he opens the box puts the he
opens the cartridge he puts the Or the CD tray puts the disc in the
The three guys are playing multiplayer and they're all laughing and then they like high-five and then it... the screen flickers to today and it's a guy sitting on his couch with headphones on and all you hear is clacking.
And there's nothing being said and then he looks at his phone and he swipes and he looks down.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it says innovations are not always good or something like that.
libby emmons
Well this is something that my son keeps talking about is he finds the removal of local multiplayer for games to be really upsetting.
Because he liked to sit on the couch with his friends.
He would, like, he used to have, like, three controllers and his two best friends would come over and they would all sit there and play games and I would order pizza and, like, then take them for ice cream after, you know what I mean?
tim pool
Mario Party.
libby emmons
And it was great and they would just, and I could look over and I could see them and they would be hanging out and I would, like, pretend I wasn't there and, like, let them have the, you know, the house to themselves, basically.
But at a certain point all these games started pulling local multiplayer off and so they would have to, like, If they wanted to play together, they would both have to have two Xboxes in the same place and two monitors.
And so now, I mean, one of his best friends actually moved to Morocco, which is crazy.
But anyway, they play.
So they play remotely, but they can't even play together.
My son likes to play.
So he will find games that are still local multiplayer because he and his dad like to play in the same place.
You know, and it's just not fair to these kids that they have- they're like forced to sit there alone if they want to play games with their friends.
It's dumb.
tim pool
Mario Party.
libby emmons
Yeah.
He actually wanted to write me an article about how local multiplayer should not be removed from games.
tim pool
Is he gonna do it?
libby emmons
Well, he wrote half of it and then he got distracted and talked to his friend and whatever, but- Well, it's time to finish it!
You know, yeah.
tim pool
And then you, the editor, will go through it.
libby emmons
I will edit it.
But I think it, I think it really matters.
I think it is, I think it is a transformation.
Even when I was a kid, like, I didn't, you know, I didn't, I was never a very sophisticated gamer, but I had an Atari, and me and my cousin would sit there and play it together.
We both had our little joysticks.
harmeet dhillon
Kong and Space Invader.
libby emmons
Yeah, I had Pac-Man.
ian crossland
Defender, personally, I love that game.
libby emmons
Galaga.
tim pool
For a lot of reasons, the internet has caused us great problems.
ian crossland
But it's, the upsides are, are like, insurmountably awesome.
Like, I remember 1994 when I got Diablo, my buddy got Diablo, and then he burned me a copy on a CD and I, we played multiplayer online.
It was the most groundbreaking thing that you could talk to your friend and play video games with them no matter where he was on Earth.
I was like, what in the...
Everything's better now, but the lack of community thing's insidious.
You don't realize it at the time that being alone in a room is still being alone in a room.
libby emmons
And then you have an AI girlfriend.
harmeet dhillon
Speaking of, there's a- So, I mean, that's the thing is COVID has robbed kids and people of just people knowing how to socialize.
And they're all dysfunctional.
A lot of younger, most younger people I know are dysfunctional unless they grew up in a big family.
I don't know how to relate to people.
And I can tell you, even in the law profession, I know people at my law firm are all going to think I'm talking about them, but there's a real failure to launch among young career professionals.
unidentified
What does that mean?
harmeet dhillon
They don't understand deadlines.
And I know I sound like get off my lawn here, but like literally the socialization of the
abusive workplace, which forges by fire, you know, the understanding that you have to perform
and do better than others and like get stuff done and have some discipline.
People are like, yeah, I want to work from home and, you know, I don't really feel like
doing it.
tim pool
Don't have a driver's licenses.
harmeet dhillon
Don't have driver's licenses.
libby emmons
People don't have drive.
Just no drive.
harmeet dhillon
Ghost and interviews.
Like there's just like it's as if showing is optional.
Someone else is going to take care of you.
Well, right.
tim pool
Because they do.
I think when you eliminate struggle from a human being's life in early development.
They don't have drive.
I think drive is rooted in growing up.
You had to accomplish things.
For a long time in human history it was, if you don't you'll die.
harmeet dhillon
Right.
tim pool
Then we got to the point where it is tradition, you must.
Then we got to the point where you get a trophy whether you did or didn't.
And so then there's no struggle.
Food's just there.
You get a trophy whether you win or lose.
Now these people are adults and they're saying, but I don't want to do anything.
Why can't I just have free stuff?
harmeet dhillon
Well, in a way, that's the counterpart of the immigrant experience in the United States, because I'm an immigrant, and my dad came here as a doctor, settled in rural North Carolina, so I grew up in a very rural community.
And, you know, everyone worked.
Everyone had a job, no matter whether they were right side of the railroad tracks or wrong side of the railroad tracks.
It was just socialization.
And as an immigrant today, many decades later, I still have that immigrant mentality.
Like, you cannot sit there and chill.
Like, you have to be building something bigger and better and always be, you know, on the ball.
But my brother's kids, you know, like, that generation is different.
You know, they're kind of buying into the sort of apathy of the American youth right now.
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't like it.
serge du preez
Tim Dillon had a bit actually today where he was talking about Gen Z has just figured out the way to game the system right now.
So they say, Oh, well, I show up for work late.
And they say, Why are you late?
Oh, well, I'm gay.
And they say, Oh, okay, well, fine.
Don't worry about it.
And they just game the system and say, Oh, I have the they make up mental disorders.
Oh, well, it's because it's mental disorder.
It's because it's like the Pokemonification that Gen Z has created in the world.
Everything has to be in a category, etc.
But really good bit he does there.
Anyways.
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with all of your friends, each and every one, and head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, so you can watch the members-only uncensored show that will be coming up at 10 p.m., and this one is going to be, and I must stress, not family-friendly.
I was gonna say.
libby emmons
Oh, I wonder.
tim pool
You know, normally they're not so family-friendly because you swear and stuff, but no, this subject matter is not family-friendly.
But it's going to be very important, very interesting, and it's also going to be gross.
So, you've been warned.
But you should still sign up and watch it.
You'll enjoy it.
ian crossland
I think I know what it's going to be about.
tim pool
I think you might.
I don't know.
Maybe.
We'll see.
Clint Torres says, Howdy, people!
Clint Torres has returned.
unidentified
Hi, Clint!
Good to see you, man.
tim pool
He owns the Super Chat.
ian crossland
Yeah, Clint's the man.
tim pool
Evan Porter says, Howdy, Clint!
Well, there you go.
Shane H. Wilder says, so after the stabbing of the priest during mass, do we think that violence towards Christians will continue to escalate?
I haven't seen anything from mainstream media, probably because of who did the stabbing.
Crazy story.
Out of Sydney.
It was a bishop, I believe.
And there's video footage of it.
Apparently he had made comments about Islam.
They threatened to kill him.
And then some kid showed up and did it.
Killed him.
I don't know if this is true.
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but apparently they said like the the the parishioners chopped his fingers off.
libby emmons
Chopped his fingers off.
The kid was 15.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
He could be seen in the video afterwards laughing like smiling after he had been subdued.
unidentified
Wow.
serge du preez
He went to like food like a food court earlier.
Like it was just a regular day for this guy.
libby emmons
I mean, this was the second major stabbing.
ian crossland
You say they caught the guy and they cut the assailant's fingers off?
libby emmons
Yeah, the parishioners grabbed the kid after he stabbed the bishop.
The bishop is non-life-threatening injuries.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
harmeet dhillon
He's still alive.
libby emmons
Yeah, he's still alive.
ian crossland
And then they cut off the kid's fingers.
libby emmons
That's what I read, yeah.
harmeet dhillon
I think it was in the course of trying to subdue him, not as retaliation.
That's my understanding.
ian crossland
Wow.
libby emmons
But then there was a crowd outside saying, like, you know, an eye for an eye, like, bring him out, let him face justice.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I mean, if you did that to, like, the military commander, he would have been shot on sight.
libby emmons
Right.
It's pretty crazy.
All right.
tim pool
Rusty Shackelford says, could they really throw Trump in jail with Secret Service in solitary?
A Trump, a special jail like Wolf of Wall Street, dude?
libby emmons
That was my question, too.
That's one thing that Judge Merchant was saying today.
If Trump goes into chambers, Secret Service goes into chambers, too.
So if Trump goes to jail, Secret Service goes to jail, too.
harmeet dhillon
That's right.
So this was all covered when he had his booking and his fingerprints taken.
That was all gamed out.
Secret Service has a plan for that.
So yes, Secret Service would have to be with him.
Now, if he is convicted, You know, there will be an appeals process and just not being a criminal defense attorney myself, from what I'm seeing right now, there are vast grounds for overturning this verdict on appeal.
And so I think it will be years and, you know, hopefully he makes it back to the White House.
So we're certainly working hard for that.
But I don't think he's going to see real jail time as a defendant.
I think that it is going to be possible that Judge Murchin Put some in contempt.
That's possible.
tim pool
I hope that Trump wins and then sends the DOJ into New York.
Just keep it that simple, I suppose.
harmeet dhillon
Sends the DOJ in.
The problem is, how woke is most of the federal prosecutorial ranks and the FBI?
tim pool
I'm not worried about that at all because Kash Patel will be in charge of the DOJ.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, so once he appoints Cash as AG.
Oh, I love there was like some media report where the Democrats were freaking out like Cash may be AG and there are like pundits being like, I love it.
Cash is great, but that's not happening because he'll never get confirmed.
harmeet dhillon
Nobody good is going to get, I mean, nobody like super out there and vocal about these issues today is going to get confirmed as attorney general in But he will be acting AG at least for a moment.
Anybody could be acting AG, that's true.
And so while they're going, we're not going to confirm— I vote for Mike Davis, but Cash is good too.
Maybe Cash for the FBI.
tim pool
Yes.
Well, once that happens, then a crack team of loyal dregs will make their way into New York and figure out what's going on over there, huh?
ian crossland
I'm not familiar with Mike Davis.
He'd be a good guest on the show.
harmeet dhillon
Mike Davis is awesome, really smart lawyer, clerk for Clarence Thomas, and is one of the top voices out there supporting President Trump and explaining some of these issues.
And he's a great guy inside the beltway, conservative commentator.
tim pool
All right.
Fallen Angel says, what if AI gets personhood before a fetus?
So, uh, we talked about Udio, which is this AI song generator.
And then another big one is Suno.
And I just, when I heard Suno, like, Udio was funny.
There's a song that Ian was a big fan of called, what is it called?
ian crossland
I taped my balls to my butthole.
I glued my balls to my butthole again.
I don't know if it was made on Suno or on Udio.
Udio tends to make songs that have, like, one key.
tim pool
It was Udio.
ian crossland
Sunio's all over the place.
It makes dynamic key changes and stuff.
tim pool
The reason I'm pretty sure it was Udio is because Suno's moderation is very strict.
So if you type in a song by Led Zeppelin, it will convert Led Zeppelin into progressive rock, 1970s, whatever.
But on Suno, it will say copyright blocked.
So I'm pretty sure it was more lax writing a song of that stature.
ian crossland
You can get really granular with it, too.
You can write your own lyrics.
You can change the chords and make things I just, if you let the AI do it on its own, it's kind of
bland at this point, but I, Suno apparently is a different story.
tim pool
Oh, you can write your own lyrics and everything.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like he was playing some really dynamic songs.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
And he was pulling up on the fly.
tim pool
I think we are a year or two away from a service where you type in a movie about a boy who finds
out he's a wizard and it renders you a movie.
ian crossland
It's gonna be able to tap into your brain, sense your emotions, and change the music depending on what you're feeling.
tim pool
Perhaps maybe in the future, but right now what we're looking at with Suno and Udio, the AI generating music.
Okay, look.
harmeet dhillon
That sounds horrible.
tim pool
Yes, I agree.
harmeet dhillon
All of it, yeah.
tim pool
And you can't stop it.
The picture generation was already mind-blowing.
Going into mid-journey and typing in, like, photorealistic Donald Trump, you know, winning the 100-meter dash at the Olympics.
And it makes it, and you're like, wow.
Now, you have songs.
And so we were skateboarding this weekend, and Richie Jackson, he's a pro skater, he's hanging out upstairs at the new studio, and we're playing regular music on the PA.
It was, you know, I'm playing probably Metric.
And then my brother sends me Suno, which I'd heard of Udio.
So I type in a 50s rockabilly song about Richie Jackson skateboarding, and then I hit render, it takes literally 15 seconds, and then it pops up, I hit play, and it starts playing this rockabilly song, and right as the song is kicking out, Richie walks down the stairs, and the PA goes, Richie Jackson skateboarding down the street, and Richie just freezes like, what's happening?
What's going on?
What is this?
Because if you don't know this AI can generate a song with lyrics about you, Instantly.
You just heard this fully produced song on the PA system, and you're like, is someone pranking me right now?
libby emmons
Yeah, what's going on?
tim pool
It's crazy.
So I thought it'd be a really funny prank to, like, you're driving down the street in your car, and you'll see, like, a guy with, like, a leather jacket and a girl with a leather jacket.
Then you type in, you know, a punk rock song about a guy and a girl wearing leather jackets walking down, like, I don't know, like, Jackson Boulevard in Shepherdstown or whatever.
Creepy AF.
And then pull up next to him and go, how's it going?
And you crank the volume and then they'll hear, it's like, well, there was a guy and a girl in leather
jackets in Shepherdstown.
And they're like, wait, what?
Like, what am I listening to?
harmeet dhillon
Creepy AF.
That is creepy.
tim pool
In a year, maybe, you are going to type it.
Like, we already have AI rendered video, which is not very good,
but now we have music and then lyrics and pictures.
Like, I swear, we're a year or two away.
harmeet dhillon
It's on Wikipedia, no doubt.
tim pool
You're just gonna type in, I wanna see a movie, a James Bond movie, and it'll be like, James Bond is copyrighted, but how about a spy thriller starring, you know, this guy, and it'll render the movie for you.
Now, that's maybe two years.
I think we're a year- It's like plastic food.
harmeet dhillon
It's plastic entertainment.
Yep.
libby emmons
Plastic food.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
Plastic water, isn't it?
libby emmons
Synthetic.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Synthetic water.
tim pool
I would say most of the songs we generated suck.
If you do instrumental, it's indistinguishable from pop music.
You do, write me a pop song instrumental, it will give you Taylor Swift.
You then have to write the lyrics though, but the lyrics are always pretty crummy.
But yeah, we'll talk about that in the after show and the more worrying ramifications.
Antrin Skywalker says, Part 1.
I'm from Boston, MA, 21, and a college dropout.
I'm trying to find a social life in my 20s around the state.
With the amount of woke politics that is happening in the state, what should I do?
I want to find attractive women that can hold a conversation to mingle with and gym guys to hang out with instead of woke weirdos.
What are your thoughts on the state city based on economics and culture from your experience?
I'd recommend going to MAGA country, and then all of your problems will just disappear.
libby emmons
I wouldn't go that far.
tim pool
MAGA country?
libby emmons
How would they disappear?
tim pool
Well, I am being a bit hyperbolic, but if you move from say like Massachusetts to West Virginia, you're not gonna find woke politics.
There's woke politics here and there for sure, but like It's pretty safe, you know.
libby emmons
You can actually speak your mind and tell people what you do for a living out here, which is not, which was not true in Brooklyn.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You come out here, most people are going to be like, typically moderate.
You don't, you know, in Western Maryland and in the panhandle, we saw that Trump riding the velociraptor with the machine gun stuff.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's cool.
tim pool
But it's, it's always very self-aware.
Like they know it's a joke and it's hilarious.
No one that we met is like, Trump!
Screaming and banging on the walls.
They're all fairly exactly as you'd like.
They probably watch shows like this and they support Trump and they're just regular working class people.
So there you go.
You just got to get away from the woke cult centers, I guess.
harmeet dhillon
I mean, the smaller town you go to, the more real it's going to get in the United States.
libby emmons
Even in blue states.
harmeet dhillon
I mean, I'll tell you in California, everyone thinks, oh, everything's like L.A.
and San Francisco.
You go like 10 miles in from the coast and it's a different state and it's mostly red.
libby emmons
Yeah.
ian crossland
Take care of your body, too.
You'll realize a lot of finding someone's actually within you, and then you'll start to find that you have good chemistry with a lot of people, and then you'll just have to find people you're compatible with.
And that will happen naturally.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Matthew Hammond says, Congratulations to Brett and Cassandra McDonald on having twins.
I second.
Congratulations to Cassandra and Brett.
ian crossland
Big deal.
Nice job.
unidentified
Twins!
libby emmons
Exciting.
Wow.
harmeet dhillon
Yep.
tim pool
Wyatt Caldenberg says, Harmeet, we need a non-profit organization that rates local candidates on how populist America First they are.
Judges are impossible to get info on.
I vote, but seldom know who I am voting for.
Not good.
harmeet dhillon
Well, there is a law under 501c3 of the tax code and c4 and others that says that non-profit organizations are limited from getting involved and spending money on political issues per se.
However, there are a number of conservative organizations out there that provide information.
For example, The Liberty Caucus is a conservative group of libertarian-oriented conservatives, and they rate all members of Congress on their voting records.
And so you can literally go to their website and see who's the most libertarian-voting member of Congress, and then they rate all of them in reverse order.
tim pool
What about local candidates?
harmeet dhillon
Well, local candidates, I'm sure, with enough funding, these organizations could do that as well.
But it's a little more difficult because local tends to be nonpartisan, first of all, in almost all cases, and so you don't get an R or a D after your name to help a little bit with that identification.
And so, I think it's a little harder.
I'll tell you right now in my town, there's a debate between the pro-housing and the anti-housing.
And ironically, the most left-wing, annoying member of the city council is now running for mayor, Board of Supervisors, is a NIMBY.
He's against people building housing in San Francisco.
And it's actually the More conservative people who want to build housing for people so that they can live.
That's not really a right-left issue.
It's more kind of inside baseball.
So I think it's a little bit harder to translate to nonpartisan races.
tim pool
Yeah, a lot of local races are outright nonpartisan.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, mostly in the United States.
Most prosecutors, most board of supervisors, city council, school board, almost all are nonpartisan.
They're not, no R or D after the person's name.
tim pool
All right.
Oh, bummer, says longtime viewer, first time chatter.
Shout out to my best friend, Michael Ryan Murphy.
It was his 38th birthday yesterday.
He was diagnosed last year with ALS and had to medically retire from the police force.
He was screwed out of his retirement because he didn't have enough years served.
Touch B.S.
I set up a give-send-go under supporting the Murphy family to help with their income loss.
Best of luck here.
Adrian Curry says Russia joining the fight against Israel is in revelation in the Bible.
Really?
Also, Nostradamus, according to a bunch of outlets, predicted that something like a Red Force or whatever would start a war in the sea or something like that.
ian crossland
Jesus, is that the Republican Party?
tim pool
No, they think it's the Communists.
ian crossland
But the Soviets are gone.
Oh, these fools.
tim pool
The Chinese Communist Party.
ian crossland
Oh, the Chinese Communist Party.
tim pool
Right, and Taiwan.
But I mean, to be honest, it's like, if your predictions are super vague, like, there will be a great darkening of the sky.
ian crossland
One who wields a black flag will come again.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
And then, like, pick a guy, well, his flag's mostly black.
Alright.
Amasang.
Amasang says, everyone knows World War III began with Harambe's death.
ian crossland
Oh, so sad.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Well, that, that was the big change.
Around that time is when something happened in this country.
ian crossland
Still messes me up.
tim pool
I had an idea for a short film where they turn on the Large Hadron Collider and then they like crank it up to the highest power imaginable and then when it slams a pulse ripples across the planet and it makes every conspiracy theory real because it alters the... and then even the ones that contradict each other.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
So like Hitler lives on the moon, but he's currently in Argentina vacationing.
So like you somehow has to make sense.
And he's 130 years old or something.
How old would he be?
ian crossland
And then he's got conspiracy theories like our conspiracy theories are gaining conspiracy theories.
libby emmons
It'll be like the year after COVID.
tim pool
Conspiracies.
libby emmons
All the conspiracy theories came true.
tim pool
Alright, Patrick De Niro says the reason will be Biden in 50 years, Tim.
LOL.
In reference to what started World War 3.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I think I think Biden may be like a Buchanan.
ian crossland
You know, he's just I've never seen a guy in charge of a military with that state of mind.
His slow like it's really, really disturbing the way he's just kind of nothing.
They just said they're going to start investigating the Baltimore boat crash.
libby emmons
Well, they did say it on the first day that they did say that they would do an investigation.
ian crossland
And now they're saying it again today.
libby emmons
Now they started.
tim pool
Now they're like, maybe there is some criminal culpability in this.
ian crossland
What was it, five weeks ago?
tim pool
No, no, we said it was an accident, but now we're concerned about, you know, and these liberals called Marjorie Taylor Greene evil because she said she wanted it investigated.
That's absolutely insane to me.
harmeet dhillon
I think there's a lot of distraction going on right now, and that's one of them.
libby emmons
The bridge thing?
harmeet dhillon
Yeah.
ian crossland
You don't think it was nefarious?
harmeet dhillon
I don't know.
But I think that, to your point, suddenly now they're opening up a criminal investigation into what everybody thought should be looked at at the time as a criminal matter and eliminated because that's when you find the facts, not weeks later.
So, yeah, I think this is a typical tactic of the left to just keep dropping distracting news stories to, you know, destabilize America's focus.
tim pool
Dan's Hobby says, why is the RNC having the convention in a blue city?
This is the problem with the GOP and RNC.
Start supporting red areas.
harmeet dhillon
Okay, the answer to that is a simple one.
The bidding process for RNC and DNC happens a certain period of years out, and then we put out RFPs and cities respond, and we were all, I'd say most of us were hoping that Nashville would be the choice of the Republican National Convention.
The two governors, the sitting governor and the prior governor, came and lobbied the RNC.
Their food was better, the music scene was going to be awesome, it's a red state.
And Nashville City Council happens to be blue and they did not want us and they voted against us.
And so we were really left at the altar with a single suitor, Milwaukee.
tim pool
But you can't just go to any city you want?
harmeet dhillon
You cannot.
There are thousands of hotel rooms required.
The National News Mediologist, you know, California, for example, where we can't even fit into one hotel.
We're buying up all the hotels, two hotels to fit all of our delegates, the press, and all of that.
tim pool
And I think we were, because all the hotels are controlled by the RNC, is that how it works?
harmeet dhillon
Yes.
tim pool
So we're going to be at the RNC in Milwaukee and we had to find alternate means because the RNC basically said, you have no guarantees at all.
Good luck.
Give us your money.
And we were like, no.
libby emmons
But to get hotels.
tim pool
So I'm not the one in charge of handling all the event stuff because we have staff for that.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah.
tim pool
But something happened where it's like, okay, we need to find hotel rooms for our staff.
We're gonna be there producing the show.
And so we reached out to a hotel room and they're like, the RNC has everything controlled.
And then the RNC said something like, if you book rooms, we can't guarantee they'll be in the same place.
We can't guarantee you'll get the room you asked for.
So there you go.
harmeet dhillon
Airbnb.
tim pool
Yeah.
So, but we actually found alternate means of setting everything up.
So I think we're going to be like outside the city or something.
I don't know.
harmeet dhillon
Well, in fact, many of the delegations are way outside the city.
It was a point of humor that people who supported me for chair of the RNC were wondering if their state's delegation was going to end up being in Chicago or the next state or something like that.
That didn't happen to be true.
But yeah, in Cincinnati, in the Cleveland RNC convention, California was two hours away.
tim pool
Now here's the thing, the... There's the RNC and the DNC, and the reason we're not going to the DNC is because the DNC is the dangerous one where people will likely get mercilessly beaten and or killed.
And it's in Chicago, which is just like, wow.
That seems just like...
harmeet dhillon
Chaos.
tim pool
A political nuclear bomb.
libby emmons
Well, wasn't it 68 in Chicago?
tim pool
I mean... That was the big one.
It's just, you take the chaos of Chicago, add it to the chaos of this year, and the left does not like Joe Biden.
They're not going to protest the RNC.
I really don't think so.
In 2016... Yes, they are.
Yeah, but... Okay, in 2016, the protests at the RNC were like...
A handful of people.
And the protests at the DNC were thousands of people smashing the barricades and jumping in and trying to storm their way into the building.
So, in Milwaukee, yeah, you'll probably see some stuff.
I mean...
You know, I don't know how crazy it would get.
We're not really concerned about it.
With our assessments and what we expect to happen, the DNC is like, nah, I've grown quite fond of living, so I'll be avoiding that one.
harmeet dhillon
But that's the baseline in Chicago is violence.
Right.
So it's not the baseline in Milwaukee, you know?
tim pool
No, I think Milwaukee will be more terroristic threats.
harmeet dhillon
Yes.
tim pool
The far left will be calling venues and bars and hotels.
harmeet dhillon
I mean, this Hamas protest nonsense is definitely going to be front and center.
tim pool
But the Hamas people are angry with Biden, not Trump.
They don't like Trump.
harmeet dhillon
It doesn't matter.
It's chaos.
It's disrupting.
It's getting attention for themselves.
They're not angry at the people of San Francisco either, but they're preventing people from getting to the hospital, like getting their organs.
Somebody missed an organ transplant when they blocked the Bay Bridge a few weeks ago.
tim pool
And there will be political action of some sort in Milwaukee for the RNC, but the DNC protests, I imagine, are going to be in the thousands.
harmeet dhillon
It's going to be violent.
It's going to be a mess.
libby emmons
They're planning for violence.
I mean, the organizers are organizing to be violent, to shut things down, to get in the way, to cause up a big mess and chaos.
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, there's a lot of, I mean, for all the despair on our side, there's a lot of, you know, disagreement on the left.
tim pool
Alright!
Zierge says, my dad passed away a few days ago.
He was murdered by the government at Camp Lejeune.
He's in the lawsuit, but they're sitting on his and so many other cases.
I need help getting in touch with Trump so he can share my dad's message.
I'm sorry to hear about your dad, man.
unidentified
I don't know what to do.
tim pool
Or how to assist with that?
harmeet dhillon
Class action lawsuits, for what it's worth, do take years.
And then at the end, lawyers make a lot of money.
But hopefully with the damages in these cases, there will be good settlements for people.
tim pool
Tyrant says, was trying to super chat about my opinion on the Civil War movie ending, and YouTube won't let me because it's against the policies.
Yup!
Did you see that movie, Civil War, or hear about it?
harmeet dhillon
No.
tim pool
They, you know, Nick Offerman plays the president, and he's saying he's not Trump, and they're saying it's apolitical.
It's basically a movie about Trump, or at least the Trump predecessor, you know, and a civil war breaks out in California and Texas, storm DC, and kill the president.
harmeet dhillon
Oh boy.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a crazy film.
The movie's actually just about journalists on a road trip, but Didn't they make the journalists the heroes?
Not really.
They're actually scumbags in the film.
ian crossland
They're the protagonists, but they're not good people.
tim pool
Yeah, I think the takeaway for the film is that you should hate journalists afterwards, and I'm not making a joke.
Well, you probably should.
There's a scene where there's gunfire and people are being killed, and the one journalist looks at the younger journalist and he smiles and nods, and she smiles back at him.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because this is what journalists do in conflict.
When I saw that, I loved it.
I'm like, people need to understand that in war reporting, these journalists are basically cranking themselves off to what's going on.
They're excited.
They love it.
They get a thrill from it.
They smile and laugh when they watch people getting shot.
I'm not exaggerating.
libby emmons
That's awful.
tim pool
In the movie, the tanks are rolling in, there's guys up on a building, they blow him up, and then he looks over and he smiles, he's like, yeah, and she's like, yeah, and then starts taking pictures.
That's what they do.
And I was like, I'm glad they're showing people this.
libby emmons
I'm glad I'm not a journalist.
tim pool
There's that photo I like to show where, we showed it last week, there's a dead girl who got hit by a stray gunfire and she's collapsed and dead.
And then one of the photographers- Is this in the film?
No, no, no, this is real life.
libby emmons
Oh, this is real life.
tim pool
One of the photographers, it was in Haiti, in Port-au-Prince, was surrounded by a gaggle of photographers all just snapping endless photos of a dead girl on the ground.
So he got up and walked to the side and took a picture of the press taking a picture of the dead girl so people could see what it was like.
And that was the award-winning photo of what the journalists do.
libby emmons
I remember in in what was it 2021 there was was it 2020 anyway it was sometime and there was a walkaway rally remember those walkaway rallies and there was a there was like a there were all the walkaway people and then there was a little tiny protest of people against the walkaway people and one of the walkaway people went over to And it was like a man and a woman, one on one side with one kind of sign and one with the opposing sign, and they just stood there having a conversation.
And it got a little heated, but I did the same thing.
I took a step back and what there was were 20 photographers and reporters all shooting pictures of this like major conflict of two people having a conversation at the edge of a rally.
And for me, that was the biggest takeaway, and I have it in a pretty prominent place, and I look at it and I'm like, correct.
It's not the thing, it's this.
tim pool
They call themselves vultures.
libby emmons
Yeah, they look like it.
tim pool
That is not an insult.
They call themselves vultures, and that's what they do.
So it's funny when you'll get murmurings of a major protest or something, and then my favorite are when 10 protesters show up and there's 100 press.
And then those journalists are there, and many of them are on assignment, so they're like, we have to get something from this.
libby emmons
And so... Especially the stringers.
tim pool
So they, oh yeah, I need money, and so they will manufacture.
They will, a guy will, you know, pick up a bottle and then chuck it over into a garbage can, take a picture, and they'll say, violent protester throws bottle or who knows what.
Whatever they can make happen out of it.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's hard.
It's theater.
unidentified
Yeah, well then the best part is the far right at least has a dramatic story arc the far left has a saying
tim pool
Don't smash cameras. They can pay your rent Well, that makes sense
Right.
And one of the most interesting, I'll put it this way, moments was at the no-NATO protests 12 years ago.
Antifa had formed a line and then abruptly yelled, get the press!
And then they all started charging at the journalists and the journalists panicked and fled.
One thing I really love about journalists, and this is meant to be sarcastic, is when Someone will be seriously injured.
I saw a person who was bleeding, seriously, from the head, in Chicago, and medics were attending to him, and the journalists were shoving people out of the way, they get pictures of the person bleeding out, and the medics were like, these are activist medics too, they were like, can you get that camera out of our faces?
And the person was bleeding, was yelling, please stop, please stop, and the journalists don't care, they shove you out of the way, and there's like five guys, and they're just snapping away.
You don't exist to them.
And so then it was shortly after that they yelled, get the press, and then they started attacking journalists.
And I'm like, yeah, well, you know, I'm not surprised.
libby emmons
Interesting.
tim pool
Yep.
Not all conflict reporters are bad.
I've worked with a lot of good ones.
We make fun of the bad ones, but there's so many bad ones.
They laugh and they smile and they gloat and they cheer for this stuff.
ian crossland
It's been on my mind a lot, maybe since we saw that movie, maybe that's why, that people that chase rage for money.
And it's so easy to get people angry and then they agree with you and then they Sounds like you're describing social media influencers.
In my career, I feel like sometimes I'm like, we talk about problems and it's like, we have to walk the line about not like just giving over to the love.
Where are the problems?
I need more problems or I can't be profitable tonight.
harmeet dhillon
That's right.
tim pool
I'll grab one more here.
Kane Abel says, Jordan Peterson is more like a dad.
Matt Walsh is a best friend, but not sure about a dad.
I disagree.
It's the other way around.
libby emmons
I agree.
tim pool
Jordan Peterson is the guy who's like, you've got to get your life straight, man.
What are you doing?
You know, like clean your room.
And you're like, you know, you're right.
libby emmons
He buys you another beer.
tim pool
Yeah, Matt Walsh is the guy who's like, shut your mouth, you idiot.
You clean your room now or you're not getting ice cream, you know?
Like, he's the more serious, stern, shut up, get it done kind of guy.
libby emmons
Well, he's got more kids, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
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Harmeet, do you want to shout anything out?
harmeet dhillon
Yes, follow the work that we do at the Center for American Liberty, www.LibertyCenter.org.
Right on.
libby emmons
Yeah, I'm Libby Emmons.
You can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons.
And of course, you can check out all the work we're doing at thepostmillennial.com and humanevents.com.
ian crossland
Yes, follow me at Ian Crossland on the internet.
Also, Harmeet, your Twitter, which is xPNJABAA.
harmeet dhillon
What is that?
It means woman from Punjab, where I was born.
ian crossland
Oh, cool.
libby emmons
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, welcome.
harmeet dhillon
Thank you.
ian crossland
Thanks for having me.
Good to meet you.
Good to see you again.
libby emmons
Can I?
Yeah, let's talk about this MindsFest next week.
I'm going to be doing this MindsFest in Austin at the Vulcan Theater on April 27th.
Yeah.
And you guys should all come check it out.
It's going to be really cool.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm going to be there, too.
It's Austin, Texas.
I think it's, what is it, festival.minds.com is where you can get tickets and use hash promo code Ian for 20% off.
See us there.
Libby will be there.
I don't think you're going to be there.
harmeet dhillon
I will not.
I'm testifying in Congress tomorrow, though, in front of the Constitution Committee.
I'm going to talk about the COVID restrictions and how It is the civil rights crisis of my lifetime, and so that'll be available, I'm sure, on congressional websites.
libby emmons
That's fascinating.
ian crossland
I didn't even ask you on the show, is it civil rights laws, your specialty?
harmeet dhillon
Yeah, we do civil rights, First Amendment.
We represented Simon Atiba right now, suing Christian Jean-Pierre.
libby emmons
Oh, that's excellent.
harmeet dhillon
We're representing Andy Ngo.
We represented one, three cases in the Supreme Court on religious liberties issues.
So we kind of are the ACLU, if you like, of the right, representing individuals against the man.
ian crossland
It is always good to have you.
Really great to see you again.
serge du preez
Yeah, pleasure having you back, Carmi.
I think the last time you were on the show was when we were in Phoenix.
I didn't really get to meet you then or speak to you at all because you were on a stage like 20 feet in front of me, but it's a pleasure to meet you in real life.
Thanks, everybody.
Have a good day.
tim pool
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