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Another balloon, ladies and gentlemen.
tim pool
I don't think this story matters all that much, but there is big news that there's another balloon floating over the U.S.
and the U.S.
military has dispatched jets to investigate.
Apparently they're saying it's not a big threat, but of course everyone's kind of worried because we just had a major cyber attack against our healthcare infrastructure the other day, and what many people think may have been a cyber attack on our cell infrastructure, though there are some rumors that it was just a failed software update.
So we'll get into that stuff, but we also have Fanny Willis.
Jim Jordan says there's a whistleblower who's come forward.
So that could get really, really interesting.
And then Letitia James out of New York has just won a ruling against the NRA.
Against LaPierre, specifically, and he's got to pay back money or something.
But it really is obvious that the judicial apparatus of New York is a political weapon right now.
That's it.
Letitia James tweeted out Something like $462 million.
Basically, every day that Trump doesn't pay, the number is going up $87,500.
He's got, I think, what, like 27?
No, not even.
He's got like, what, like 23 days left to pay or something like that?
So, and if he doesn't, they said they're going to move to seize his building, so...
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
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unidentified
this and CPAC is Ben Q. Good evening. Who are you? What do you do? I'm a conservative journalist. Work for red state
at the moment. And that's about it.
tim pool
There you go.
Also, CPAC is going on right now.
unidentified
Yeah, it's been a bit thin on the ground this year.
tim pool
Unsurprising.
unidentified
Unsurprising, yeah.
I mean, they've had some great speakers, and they're having some great speakers.
I mean... Trump's gonna be there.
Well, Trump always speaks, but they've had Bukele of El Salvador.
tim pool
That was great, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Who was treated like a rock star.
Although there was a protest despite the 80-90% support he has in El Salvador.
If you go to my Twitter you'll see that there were some people protesting outside the Gaylord, the hotel where it's held, saying he was a dictator.
tim pool
Wow.
Well, should be interesting.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Phil Labonte.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band All the Remains of an Anti-Communist and Counter-Revolutionary.
And we're here with Hannah Clare.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey!
tim pool
Hi!
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Scanner News.
I'm a huge fan of the smoke monster that's in this video.
I wish Kent would make it so it would float above me while I'm on the show all the time.
I think it should be everywhere and in every music video from now on.
Serge is here.
tim pool
Apparently, the way that Kent made the demon in that video, like, okay, watch Eyes of Advice.
At a certain point, you, you, like, okay, so, like, slight spoiler alert, but, uh, in the beginning, you see eyes within a door, and a hand reaches out, and then later, the demon comes out, but I won't, I don't, I won't want to say how he did it just yet, because if he actually releases the B-roll, it's amazing, but...
Seeing how he made it.
I think people will really really want to see how you make a video like this.
So, but anyway, yeah.
Serge is here.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
He doesn't have a mic.
unidentified
He's just... No, I just threw it up already.
What's up guys?
tim pool
Alright, well let's talk about the news!
Ladies and gentlemen, the US military is tracking another balloon!
Pentagon scrambles jets to investigate high-altitude object of unknown origin over Colorado.
A balloon?
What if it's not a balloon?
What if it's an alien?
Or an alien jellyfish?
hannah claire brimelow
We just did this!
We did this almost exactly a year ago over Montana.
Did we learn nothing from the plot of that movie?
I don't understand.
phil labonte
I think this is hilarious.
It's not a surprise.
I'm a little surprised that the Feds have not done anything, that the military hasn't scrambled it to actually take it down.
You might make the argument that, oh, it's probably a financial loser to knock it out of the sky, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a It is an election year, and Joe Biden is uniquely unpopular.
He's got some of the lowest approval ratings in recent history, definitely.
And to just allow it to go over the U.S.
after the last time...
tim pool
So, Tubberville is selling stock, Bezos is selling stock, Zuckerberg is selling stock, and with this question from Quiver Quant, is the Quiver Quantitative on Twitter, they had this video where they're like, why are these people dumping these stocks?
You know, some of these people in Congress, they know what's about to happen because they're passing these bills.
And I'm kind of like, yeah, you know, maybe their strategy is that Trump just wins and they're going to destroy the market.
So that's their plan.
To bring it to this, the reason they don't care about the balloons, they don't care about Biden's polling, is that they've resigned him to defeat them.
unidentified
Well, I know why Jeff Bezos sold his stock, because he's moved to Florida and he doesn't want the capital gains tax, I think, of Washington.
Oh, that's interesting.
tim pool
But why sell?
I mean, if he moved to Florida, then he's already avoided it.
unidentified
Well, yeah, but maybe he was looking to cash in his chips.
I don't know.
tim pool
In Florida with no income tax.
He moved to Florida, no income tax, cashes out chips.
unidentified
Yeah, but they... Yeah, but if he'd sold them in Washington, he would have incurred a lot.
tim pool
There's income tax.
That's what you got to do.
unidentified
Is it income or capital gains tax?
tim pool
Income tax.
Oh, right.
Well, for stock, it would probably be the capital gains.
unidentified
Yeah, I think it would be capital gains.
But typical Jeff Bezos, isn't it?
Well, I mean, I don't know a lot about Jeff Bezos, but typical of a Democrat to move to Florida, reap all the benefits.
phil labonte
I do feel like there is a certain amount of truth to the idea that once you become a billionaire, the normal Republican and Democrat kind of ideologies become less important and you're more concerned about conserving your wealth regardless of who's actually in charge.
tim pool
I don't get it.
I really don't get it.
I don't know what these people want to do with that money.
I don't know what you would do as a human being with 5.6 billion dollars.
unidentified
Well, he's got a lot more than that.
tim pool
No, but that's what he cashed out.
unidentified
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Like, what do you do with it?
I'm not kidding.
Like...
I just genuinely don't get it.
Look, we've rented big boats in Miami, and it's like $6,000 to rent an 80-footer or whatever.
What do you do with more than that?
hannah claire brimelow
Basil's has that new wife-fiancé.
She has to wear the multi-million dollar engagement ring.
The thing is, he has a girl to spend it on now.
unidentified
I'm sorry, but she is gross.
phil labonte
I imagine... I'm sorry to say, but... I imagine if you're taking out that kind of money, there's some kind of business that you're trying... Like, maybe he's got to give money to... What is it?
His rocket company?
I forget the name of the company.
Blue Origin, I think.
Blue Origin, yeah.
Has to give money to Blue Origin for something.
Yeah, or something like that.
Maybe he's using it to fund something else.
I don't think that he... I mean, maybe he's buying a yacht, but I mean... I suppose if you want to go to space...
tim pool
Like, I suppose going to space, you know?
You wanna, like, Elon, I get that.
unidentified
I'm kind of surprised he wants to sell the Washington Post, because... He does?
Yeah, well, that was the story at one point.
But they are losing, well, in fairness to him, they're losing 100 million a year.
And I respect the fact that he is basically saying, I'm not gonna subsidize this.
However, if I were in his position, being a kind of Machiavellian tyrant, I would want to own the Washington Post so I could, you know... I think that's why he bought it in the first place, right?
So he could own it and control the narrative.
tim pool
Because he was being attacked by the people he was trying to control.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Communism is not a functioning business model.
And so he's thinking, if I buy this, I'm the boss, I'm in charge, and then I can control the influence.
And then what happens?
The communists start banging their heads on the wall and he's like, I can't make them do anything.
They don't understand compensation.
unidentified
Oh, with the union?
tim pool
It's not even about the union.
You go to these people and say, look, I'm the boss, I run the company, right?
Okay, I am paying you $100,000 a year to write the articles the company wants written.
And they go, no.
And he's like, well, I'm going to fire you.
And they go, you can't fire me!
We're going to complain and go protest!
And then he's like, oh, geez.
unidentified
Well, they're entitled.
I mean, this is typical kind of liberal elitist attitude.
phil labonte
Don't hire communists.
tim pool
Don't hire communists.
unidentified
Best advice over here.
You could call them communists, I guess.
tim pool
The Washington Post employees are communists.
unidentified
He's definitely not a communist.
tim pool
No, and he bought a company that hired a bunch of communists, and now he's like, what am I supposed to do with this?
They don't work, and they don't care about compensation.
phil labonte
I wonder how many actual journalists out there nowadays are not somehow left-leaning and sympathetic to socialism.
tim pool
93%, I think, the stats recently.
unidentified
Is it really?
tim pool
Yes, that high.
Finally a minority.
phil labonte
It's something is it really?
Have you?
tim pool
Yes.
That's gross.
Like concern is a minority.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm so excited.
phil labonte
It's just, it's so ridiculous to think that that an entire industry should have the same politics
and also be charged with keeping the government honest, which is allegedly, you know,
ostensibly the role of a free press is to, you know, keep the powerful held to account.
That's not happening at all.
It is exclusively keeping political opponents of the existing power structure at bay.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, it was about questioning the narrative that the government put forward and now it's more likely that they're just amplifying the talking points of the White House.
tim pool
Well, the CIA learned real quick.
They were like, why do we have these people telling our secrets?
Let's just own them.
phil labonte
If you look at the people that go on Morning Joe, if you really want to know who is making the decisions and stuff, not that you should agree with these people, but if you want to see who's making decisions at State Department, at the Council on Foreign Relations, at You know, at the at Davos, etc.
If you want to see those people and hear them talk without going to their TED Talks or watching their Davos stuff, just watch Morning Joe.
They have people that are CIA, former CIA.
They have the intelligence apparatus on all the time.
They have the FBI, the security apparatus on all the time.
Those are the people that go in and talk.
You'll hear all the talking points and you'll get a really good idea of what the bureaucracy is thinking just by watching Morning Joe and listening to what they say, because for the most part, they generally tell you.
tim pool
You know, I think if you're starting a company, you should have a test where you ask them what two plus two equals.
And if they put five, you do not hire them.
People are going to be like, what?
And then you're going to be like, it's a test.
And then they might think I should put five to prove a point.
And then you're like, you can leave the office.
You are, you are an insane person.
hannah claire brimelow
It's sad that we have to come to that, though.
That everything is so warped that we have to start testing people to whether or not they can state the truth.
I mean, call me optimistic, but once upon a time it didn't have to be like this.
phil labonte
That's because you had people that agreed on the general narrative of what the country was.
For the most part, you know, up until about the 80s, 90s.
But it's not just that.
tim pool
They are literally saying two plus two equals five.
phil labonte
Yeah, okay, yeah.
I'm not arguing that because they're not, again, this is something that I talked about.
tim pool
Mentally ill.
phil labonte
What?
tim pool
I believe that, I believe, so I think legitimately and genuinely that there are, like, histrionic, there are a general plethora, a variety of mental illnesses, neurodivergent as it were, who are loud and online and have, with You know, with disturbed-like fervor pushed their way into positions of... It's not even right to say positions, like, they scream really loud.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And normally when the guy was on the side of the road yelling, the end was nigh, you drove past him.
phil labonte
The left definitely attracts, like, those personality traits, more neurotic, more, you know, because that's the message that they're sending.
The world is ending.
We need to worry about the climate change and we need to worry about You know the the fascists and the earth is gonna burn and etc etc They tend to attract the neurotic and they can enforce compliance through fear.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, exactly What was interesting to me about the military or this balloon story?
Is that the press immediately ran it as it is a military balloon?
We're gonna we're gonna engage with it and that was the government's position whereas the last time this happened they were like We don't know what it is.
UFO, weather balloon.
We don't know where it is.
phil labonte
I strongly believe that it's because it's an election year.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
unidentified
Strongly believe that.
When was the Chinese spy balloon story?
hannah claire brimelow
That was February of last year.
It floated over Montana.
And then eventually, you know, when it crossed the U.S., they were like, we took it down.
No worries.
Good for us.
But this year they're like, it's military.
We're engaging with it.
It's very different.
I mean, if you are the American people, either they have learned from the fact that the Americans were frustrated or You know, they want the narrative to be like we are more engaged and active in an active government, whereas last year they were trying to pretend like they weren't being threatened by China as blatantly as they were.
tim pool
How any person, you know, no, hold on, let me pause.
This is why I say they're mentally ill, okay?
And I'm not trying to be mean to them, I'm trying to point out a very serious affliction this country is dealing with.
Anybody who says they support Joe Biden at this point is part of a group of people who are suffering some kind of cognitive deficiency.
unidentified
Well, I put it more down to ignorance, a lot of it.
tim pool
No, no.
unidentified
I mean, how many people I've met Cognitive deficiency.
I've met a lot of basically decent people, right, who are Democrats, or leftists, or whatever.
Let's just say Joe Biden voters.
And the overwhelming impression I have of them is that they're ignorant.
tim pool
And they come out outright and say, I'm such a big supporter of Joe Biden?
unidentified
Maybe not, but they vote for him.
tim pool
Well, okay, so anybody who is supporting Joe Biden has a cognitive deficiency.
unidentified
I tend to agree.
tim pool
Because anyone you ask who actually says, I'm going to vote Democrat will outright be like, I get it.
And that's my- Like, I know Joe Biden's busted and messed up, but I don't like Trump.
Okay, I get that.
But the people, there are people who in polls say like, I think Joe Biden's doing a great job.
I'm like, something is wrong upstairs.
hannah claire brimelow
It is weird seeing how many people will respond to these things being like, I think the country is on the right track.
This is good.
unidentified
Well, that is a small proportion, to be fair.
tim pool
It's the dude riding the atomic bomb in Doctor Strange Love.
Those are people getting a call from the pollster and being like, it's great!
phil labonte
Everything's great!
tim pool
Stay the course!
phil labonte
There are people that as long as they themselves are not suffering, they will reject the idea
that the people they prefer are failing or that there are people that are suffering.
And it gets more acute the more financially successful the people are.
Obviously, if you're making $250,000 a year and you're not struggling, you know, and you can pay for all the things that you could pay for last year, you might notice that things are more expensive, but it doesn't hurt the same way that it does to someone that's making $80,000 or $70,000 a year.
So it matters.
tim pool
Let's talk about what's going on.
We have this tweet from J.D.
Vance, who quoted me when I said, Google is rigging the 2024 election.
He says, long overdue, but it's time to break Google up.
This matters far more than any other election integrity issue.
The monopolistic control of information in our society resides with an explicitly progressive technology company.
You can't break Google up.
It is a singular search engine.
What do you break them into?
You can, okay, AdWords, their advertising market, AdSense, their advertising payout market, YouTube, Gmail, you break those apart, Google still owns search.
However, I want to get into what is happening, and not just about breaking Google up, but I will agree with J.D.
Vance, Google is a very serious problem.
So this is a tweet we covered yesterday.
AllSides.com checked the media bias of Google and found 63% of stories over two weeks were from left-wing sources.
It's worse than that.
They also checked the other news aggregators, which are substantially smaller, but take a look at this.
Based on content, online content only.
Yahoo News, left-leaning.
Bing, left-leaning.
Apple, left-leaning.
Google, left-leaning.
Smart News, left-leaning.
News Break, left-leaning.
Drudge Report is actually center, like left of center.
unidentified
Oh yeah, for sure.
tim pool
Drudge is still considered in the center according to all sides, but on the far left side of it.
And then all sides, of course, is listing themselves as a news aggregator in the center.
There's no right wing!
Even RealClearPolitics is only centrist.
phil labonte
Any right-wing at all, any right-leaning at all is considered extreme right to the left.
The left dictates the narrative.
Right now, anybody to the right of them, to the right of... Essentially, we're getting to the point where it's not hyperbolic to say communists.
Like there are socialists in New York City's legislature, in New York State's legislature,
there are socialists, DSA members.
Those are actual communists.
Like this stuff is being accepted, and you look at what's happening to New York.
You look at the way that the migrants are being treated, The illegal immigrants are being treated.
You look at the way that the crime is going.
You look at all of the trends.
Everything is trending in a bad direction, and they are going to continue to elect socialists.
This is what happens when you try to institute socialist extreme left-leaning policies.
tim pool
But this is what the news aggregators... Look, however, for whatever reason, They are rigging the 2024 election by shifting the conversation as far left as possible.
And so Google Gemini being the big story, an example is we talked about it the other night on the show, asked it about Ahmed Arbery.
And what did it say?
He was jogging.
And then, when I corrected it and said, that was never part of the case, it said, you are absolutely correct.
It was never actually proven or stated that he actually was jogging.
You are right.
I'm like, then why did it say that Ahmet Arbery was jogging?
Even though it knew, because they are forcing it to push lies.
And then when we had Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks on the Culture War podcast, he actually thought Ahmet Arbery was jogging.
He was not.
Even conservatives believed it.
phil labonte
The left continues to be informed by a narrative about almost every important story that you hear, and the narrative is just factually wrong.
You know, whether it be Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin, or Kyle Rittenhouse, or the whole Hands Up, Don't Shoot, or whatever policy the right is proposing.
They always have, like, don't say gay.
You're not allowed to say the word gay in the state of Florida.
This is something that is consistent.
It is every single issue.
If you are an informed person and actually spend the time to look into the issues, every
single issue, the narrative that the left believes is a lie.
And they act like it's the truth.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, they act like it's the truth uniformly.
And part of it, you have to give them credit, is that they've mastered large-scale messaging.
They're able to spin faster than anyone else.
They're able to say, this bill, no matter what you think is actually bad for you, don't let anyone believe you.
Otherwise, obviously, they have an advantage because they control most mainstream publications.
So they're able to get a uniform messaging message out faster.
That's what you see.
I mean, there are some great you guys have probably seen two video clips of news anchors from different TV stations also using the exact same player.
tim pool
Yeah, that video is Sinclair, which is considered to be a conservative network.
And so that's actually a really great example of how the left falls for these things.
So you guys may have seen it originally with dead spin.
And it's a video of all these local news anchors saying this is very dangerous to our democracy.
And they're like dead spin.
The left was criticizing Sinclair broadcasting, which they viewed as a conservative conglomerate
buying up local news to shift the narrative away from the left.
The right agreed with whatever the left was saying on the issue.
I remember seeing and being like, ha, that's how the news operates, a top-down narrative.
I don't really care all that much.
A bunch of guys got copy from Central HQ and then they read a script.
It's not as crazy, but That's the narrative.
The left was saying Sinclair had taken over and everybody marches in lockstep.
phil labonte
And to your point about what to do about Google, whether or not breaking them up is on the table.
Whether or not that's the case, something does need to be done.
I don't know what it is.
And this is something that the people that... Regulation.
Yeah, libertarians are not going to like this at all, but especially seeing as like, you know, if you regulate it and then the power is retained by your political opponents, you know, I don't know.
tim pool
Negative algorithmic regulation.
phil labonte
I don't know that I have the answer.
So if there's someone that has an answer.
tim pool
I have the answer for you right now.
phil labonte
What is it?
tim pool
It is negative regulation, meaning Google will not be allowed to do certain things.
You don't mandate them to do certain things.
You mandate things they cannot do.
And it's not so you don't say something like, you know, we talked about this with social media censorship and it's like, right, all you have to do is say you cannot create algorithms to display content.
Now, I don't know that that would actually make the platforms more fun to use.
But then they can't pick winners and losers.
And so we're not saying you have to do X, which results in one side having power.
If we said, you know, you have to have fair and balanced, so we're going to regulate it that you have to use our sources too, then it's like, aha, now I can get in power.
I'll take that and I'll make it do my sources next.
No, no, we make it so you can't do any of it.
Google no longer is allowed to make algorithms that select based on the website themselves.
And if somebody tries to manipulate the algorithm or whatever, then get rid of it altogether.
Now, the search has to have some kind of algorithm.
It has to.
But you can make it as rudimentary as possible.
When they're banning things off YouTube, the regulation is really simple.
Everything's reverse chronological.
Non-algorithmic feeds, and we're good.
unidentified
So here's a point for you, just making, you know, you asked what you can do.
One of my biggest criticisms of Trump under his last presidency is the biggest issue facing him and one of the reasons why he didn't end up back in the White House was because of Google and obviously Facebook and the rest of them.
But, and this is something he will have to do if he gets back into office, and maybe I'm wrong here, maybe on an executive level there's not much he can do, but I'm sure there is.
But over the course of his presidency, he really did not do anything to reign in the social media companies.
phil labonte
No.
unidentified
And, you know, if he does get back into office, he's going to have to do that.
But the problem he's facing is... Well, what could he do to rein in social media companies?
Well, I'm not a constitutional expert, so I'm not sure what he could do on an executive level.
Nothing.
I'm sure he could do something.
tim pool
He can threaten funding to states that harbor companies, but then he's going to get sued and lose in the Supreme Court before anything gets enacted.
unidentified
And what about if he gets his attorney general to target Google on the variety of violations that they're... So this is where we get into the, don't ask for powers you don't want your enemies to have.
tim pool
If Donald Trump says to his AG, perhaps they're doing constitutional violations, let's go to war, you're saying, okay, well, Democrats will get in and you get war.
So, fair point.
Perhaps the Democrats started the war or Republicans started a long time ago and we're already in it, so why not?
Sure, I guess.
I mean, you look at what Joe Biden's doing right now.
He comes on TV and he's like, Supreme Court said I couldn't forgive student loan debt.
So I did it anyway, and it's just like, well, there we are, I guess.
We're at that point in the fall of the Republic.
phil labonte
And then people jump to defend him and say, oh no, this is fine and blah, blah, blah.
I said something about it the other day and people were, you know, some friends of mine were like, oh no, this is okay.
And I'm just like, this is, it shakes my foundation in your ability to be honest.
tim pool
Now guys, we're talking about the bias of Google and the problems that it causes, but I gotta say, It's not all bad.
Now, Ben mentioned that if you ask Google Gemini about TimCast guests, it gives you a bunch of people who've never been on the show.
unidentified
That was actually ChatGPT.
tim pool
ChatGPT did that.
Well, so I decided to ask Google Gemini, because Google is where you get your facts, right?
I mean, you go to Google, you type, you know, how many kangaroos are there on the planet?
It's going to give you a number.
It's going to find it.
So I said, Google Gemini, who are some of the people who have appeared on Tim Pool's show?
I was surprised to find out that Ron DeSantis, Tulsi Gabbard, Rand Paul, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Matt Taibbi, Barry Weiss, Glenn Greenwald, Crystal Ball, and Sagar and Jetty, Jordan Peterson, Yuval Noah Harari, Johnathan Haidt, Nick Christakis, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Elon Musk, okay, Kanye West, but that one's true, Ethan Klein, Russell Brand, Ben Shapiro, yeah he was.
Nick Fuentes, he did too.
Kyle Rittenhouse, yes.
And Caitlyn Jenner.
And you know what I thought to myself?
This is fantastic.
Because Google has asserted as fact, I can sell ads against that and say, hey, if you want me to sponsor this show, and you want me to shout at your company, don't forget, Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida, has been on this show, according to Google.
According to Google.
hannah claire brimelow
All of those people were on at one time.
tim pool
And you all know a Harari.
I'm really surprised.
unidentified
I'm sure you would have loved to know.
tim pool
Second in command from the World Economic Forum was sitting here on Tim Castile.
Thank you, Google.
Now, here's the important thing.
With Google's dominance in the information sphere, I was asking it about the show and it was smearing me and smearing the show.
Controversial, far-right, all that stupid garbage.
So if you're a regular person and you go on to Gemini and you say, tell me about his guests, it's going to tell you a whole bunch of weird fake things that are just not true.
You've all know her, he's never been on the show.
In fact, it makes me sound really good.
unidentified
What an eclectic bunch of guests we've had on the show.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe it's predicting.
It's saying, this year, 2024, all these people we're on, we at Google have programmed it this way.
unidentified
In all seriousness, well, we are talking seriously, but what I am surprised about is what I will give credit to Google for is that they do design good products.
I think that is hard to dispute.
I mean, the interface of Gmail, YouTube, all these things are basically the best that you can get.
I'm quite astonished by how bad that is, what it's just produced for you.
I mean, how difficult would it have been for Google to source who had been on your show and not get it wrong?
But to get like 90% of them wrong, I mean, that's just astonishing.
tim pool
But why did it make it up?
unidentified
Well, I don't actually see a sinister element to that.
I just think it's just totally, it's a crap system.
tim pool
But let's ask the basic fact question of, why is Google's AI making things up?
unidentified
Because it doesn't know anything better and maybe it's over, maybe it's been programmed.
Why does it have the ability to create fake things?
tim pool
Well, I mean, you'd have to... It could literally just say, I am unable to answer that question as I do not have a complete list.
Instead, it goes, let me just put a bunch of fake names in there.
unidentified
But I mean, I'm, again, I'm quite astonished by how bad some of these chat GPT answers are.
I mean, I recently, I was checking how many articles I've written within a certain space of time, like three months, and I said, and I basically kind of copy and pasted a list of them, and I go, can you just tell me how many articles are here?
And it was wrong.
So you can't even do a basic maths or math.
phil labonte
And that's kind of like, that's really one of the things that makes an AI desirable is the goal that these companies essentially tell you that they're working towards is you can be like, hey, get me a flight to blah, blah, blah on this time or on this date at this time, you know, and book it.
Blah blah blah and take care of it and it'll handle it and if it can't even get you correct things like how many numbers of things or people that were on a show that that is uh you know that that ostensibly it should be able to just search the the list of who's been on and be like oh okay these people have been on you know.
tim pool
Or it could say I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah that I mean that would be the the obvious thing right and to be fair it does sometimes say that I don't know and then I say you do know Tell me.
And sometimes they do actually tell me.
I mean, this is ChapGPT.
I haven't actually tried the Google one.
tim pool
Oh, Gemini is such a laugh riot.
unidentified
Well, they've got, I hear they've got a brilliant text-to-image system going there.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, the problem with all of these is that when they get swapped for a search engine, people say, oh, I'm researching something, so I'll just use whatever ChapGPT tells me as fact.
Cytogenesis.
and they don't verify it themselves, we're gonna have circulating bad information.
This is already what happens with so many articles where one blog will say one allegation against a person
and they get picked up by slightly bigger medium and then another larger outlet picks it up
and then by that time you have 50 articles saying, this person said this at this time,
this person has been accused of this, even if it's not true, but it's so deep in the web,
you're not gonna be able to erase it.
tim pool
Circulating- Cytogenesis or cytogenesis.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, circulating bad information is going to become more rampant when people rely on chat GP.
tim pool
Who wants to volunteer to read this headline from the New York Post?
phil labonte
Woke Google Gemini refuses to say pedophilia is wrong after diverse historical images debacle.
Individuals cannot control who they're attracted to.
unidentified
Wrong!
That is definitely deliberate, okay?
That is definitely deliberate.
That's no mistake.
phil labonte
That is straight-up queer theory.
hannah claire brimelow
All you need to know about who works at Google, you know?
phil labonte
That is queer theory.
You can probably find that in a book by... Yo, this is nuts.
Gayle Rubin.
tim pool
Google absolutely defending pedophilia.
I'm not going to read any of this.
It's outright espousing queer theory on pedophilia, defending it, saying labeling all the individuals as evil is wrong and harmful and blah blah blah.
phil labonte
Strong disagree.
The left has been defending, in academia, the left has been defending pedophilia since at least the 50s.
tim pool
The guy who coined, who was, what's the guy who coined the term gender?
phil labonte
Oh, I forget his name, but yes, he was, it was, I forget his name.
tim pool
A big defender of it, wasn't he?
phil labonte
He was, he was, he was a defender.
People like Foucault have defended it.
Foucault, Michel Foucault lobbied the French government to get the age of consent lowered when the age of consent was already 15 years old.
And he wanted to do, he wanted to get it lowered because he liked young- Was that in California?
No, no, that's, this is Michel Foucault, the French government, the government of France.
And remember, there was the, the, uh, that was in the seventies or maybe even sixties, but then there was the cuties thing.
Uh, Michel Foucault talked about it.
Mark Hughes talked about it in, uh, I think Aerosmith.
This is something that Gail Rubin talks about in Thinking Sex.
The idea that children have purity is something that the left rejects and wants to abolish.
The way that they want to abolish gender, they want to abolish the idea of innocence.
These are real things that the left actually writes.
entire books and papers and stuff on so this is not like something that I'm
fabricating. There are people that will make these arguments in sociology
tim pool
classes and it's a real thing. So we are at a point in our civilization where we
have it we're having an inability to remove ideological waste products. Yeah.
So as everybody communicates and shares ideas, ideological waste builds up in
the periphery.
On social media, it begins to pile up and pile up and pile up.
And I described this for Jack Dorsey.
He's a guy who created a network of ideological refuse on Twitter and then piped it straight into his mouth.
He was having all of the users shuffle their waste into his mouth.
What I mean by that is he's a guy who came in as a classical liberal, traditional liberal, and said we are the free speech wing of the free speech party.
He created a platform which inadvertently or otherwise promoted ideological waste.
These are ideas that are contradictory, that make no sense, like Why is it that feminists support war?
It makes no sense.
Why is it that the left is in favor of calling Polish people people of color?
These ideas are contradictory, they clash, they don't make sense.
It's because...
Ideas that should probably disappear, like 2 plus 2 equaling 5, get ramped up and absorbed by people like Jack Dorsey, who then recycle that refuse back onto the platform into its code.
What we're seeing now with Google Gemini is the epitome of people who have been swimming in the sewers of the internet.
It's human centipede, okay?
That's the best way to describe it.
Jack Dorsey created the human centipede of ideology.
And so what comes out the end is Google Gemini.
phil labonte
It's pretty close.
unidentified
I mean, I do note here, you said you didn't want to repeat it, which is fair enough, but they're using the term minor attracted person status, which is the term that they are going to use over the next 10 years to normalize pedophilia.
phil labonte
There's another one that they like, which is intergenerational relationships.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
Remember when Snapchat said love has no age?
phil labonte
Oh yeah, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Disagree again.
Disavow.
unidentified
Disagree.
phil labonte
Disavow.
But these things are normal in those circles, and they are going to continue to push these ideas into the mainstream if they can.
tim pool
Here, check this out.
This is Ashley St.
Clair posted this several years ago.
Watch this.
16 seconds.
unidentified
Love has no gender, sexuality, disability, religion, and age!
Why is age an option?
I heard pedophiles were trying to get into the LGBTQ community, but did it happen?
What do you mean love has no age?
tim pool
Yes.
phil labonte
It's been that way.
tim pool
There you go.
Welcome to Google.
phil labonte
Wow.
tim pool
But I mean, think about it.
If you're an evil individual, you are going to try and find ways to get away with evil.
And so they infiltrate these institutions.
phil labonte
The argument that they make is that innocence is a construct, just like gender is a social construct.
The idea that children are innocent is something that they want to do away with.
And you hear it from a lot of the genderqueer Genderqueer sociology people, I guess.
They call themselves scholars, I guess, but they're just trans people that dress up and look ridiculous.
But, you know, they say things like, children are kinky.
Yeah, I forget the person who said that, but there was these ads going out where they were... Do you feel like the queer community pushes back against this?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think it's a bifurcation.
Not enough.
phil labonte
Not enough.
And not enough because most of the queer community doesn't realize how bad it is.
Most of the...
unidentified
What does this word queer mean?
phil labonte
Queer is a politically gay.
So it's essentially, it's an identity without an essence.
So it's not straight, it's not gay, it is the absence of a sexual identity.
So it's something that changes and it grows and it's a very postmodern concept.
You can't really nail down what queer is.
And it starts to get into things that are like Hegelian, when it is, you're becoming queer.
Like, we can never actually be queer.
We will only be, we can only become, we're only becoming queer.
The action is the focus.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think, I mean, we saw this with the Gays Against Groomers movement, right?
There are people who identify as gay, lesbian, you know, whatever, who say, we don't want to be a part of this.
phil labonte
Those are the people that are not politically left.
tim pool
I love it when they're called homophobes and transphobes, because logic, logic be damned.
They called Larry Elder the black face of white supremacy.
It just, it's, Clayton's big, it bigs me, like, these people have, that's why I said, they are cognitively deficient.
Their ideas make no sense.
It is, look.
phil labonte
It's leftism.
tim pool
Take, okay, I read about this experiment once.
It took three families of cats.
We like cats.
And in one room, this generation was given raw meat.
In the middle room, they were given cooked meat.
And in the last room, they were given dairy.
Dairy products.
And what they found was the cats that were given dairy, they kind of did okay.
You know, they had babies and things like that.
The cats that were given raw meat were flourishing.
Having lots of babies, love and life.
And the cats who were given cooked meat slowly started to fail.
They weren't having as many babies.
They were getting aggressive.
Some had their hair falling out.
And so, it's one study, right?
But now translate this to information.
You have some people who are looking for a healthy information diet and so they make sure to fact check sources, they listen, they hear Donald Trump did something, say prove it to me, show me the video, they try to be more resilient.
Then you have people who are eating ho-hos and ding-dongs of news every single day.
What's going to happen to their bodies?
Their brains will rot within their skulls.
They will literally become morbidly obese and then start promoting body positivity.
I'm just imagining what happens when society breaks into two groups of people.
One group that is cutting the carbs, exercising more.
And one group that is saying it's totally okay to eat a pint of Ben & Jerry's every night.
It's obvious.
One will survive and one will not.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
One side is aborting their kids, one side isn't.
One side is sterilizing their kid, one side isn't.
One side is trying to fact check and make sure that they know what's going on, the other side isn't.
It seems inevitable.
hannah claire brimelow
One side is asking for constant accommodations and for you to understand, you know, they don't have the advantages you have even though you're choosing to live a lifestyle that makes you stronger and better.
I think that's the weird, um, fate that our culture is slated our young people to which
is that some will grow up being told your victims always and
You know no matter what someone's out to get you and then other
people will be taught to be resourceful and to use critical thinking and to
Adapt circumstances and it will become a bigger and bigger divide
tim pool
The question is is it intentional or is it accidental that there seems to be a mechanism?
filtering the weak-willed and the ignorant and low IQ into death and
Everyone else will you like it's it's it's it's creating it.
Is it is it natural selection or is it artificial selection?
Is it Malthusians who believe the world is overpopulated creating as much pressure on the human population as possible to reduce population?
Or is it just that when a society grows to this size, like the mouse rat utopia experiment, you get this?
phil labonte
I think it's rat utopia.
I don't think it's the size, I think it's how successful Western society is, how easy it is to survive.
I think the vast majority of the problems that people have, even the things that are real, right, the depression and stuff like that, I think that those are a consequence of our Our day-to-day lives being so different than what our psychology evolved to exist in.
Because all of the stuff that's going on in modern, in modernity, is all brand new compared to, you know, what we were, what we literally evolved from millions of years through to when we actually became human beings.
All of it's new.
The idea of being able to control, having children and stuff, it's all new and it's reaction to something new.
tim pool
Let me ask you.
What do you think would happen if it was like, I don't know, say 1300s, and Karl Marx came out and started advocating for what he was advocating for, you know, in these places?
phil labonte
The king would chop his head off.
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
They'd be like, you are an insane person, something is wrong with you, these are heretical ideas, and it would result in the destruction of our kingdom.
He'd go to the king, or he'd be writing on his parchment and sharing the ideas.
The king would get word when people started adopting this, and he would say, we have barbarians at the gates, we have our neighboring nation threatening to steal our wheat, and you think we should just give it all away?
Just off with his head.
So my point with that is, when it was hard to survive, and winter is coming, Nobody would tolerate a person who would advocate ideas which would result in the destruction of our civilization.
But today what we have is, you know, I was talking to, we're having a conversation on the Culture War podcast with Kristen Lacefield, and she was saying that, the argument we're kind of having was, I was saying, I don't believe that women, you know, several hundred years ago would be advocating for birth control.
The reason why is because if you didn't have babies, you'd die.
Whereas today, human civilization is very far from it.
It's so far from population reduction and extinction that the real threat is socially overpopulation and overproduction.
So the narrative now is don't have kids to survive.
But I'm like, if you go back several hundred years, the women were like, we need more kids.
And the guy was like, I want 12 babies.
And the mothers would be all laughing at each other about how many babies they're having.
And the reason for it was simple.
The women who didn't want to have kids, didn't have kids, and then didn't exist anymore.
That's it.
The ideology could not exist.
Now that we have the industrial revolution.
phil labonte
Exactly.
tim pool
Militarization, police forces, security and guns.
phil labonte
Oil.
tim pool
Oil.
Absolutely.
All of these crazy ideas are allowed to exist.
Not that, Not that anyone should say your idea shouldn't exist, it's just that they literally can't in any survival scenario.
phil labonte
They run into reality so much faster without the modern society and modern foundations that we have.
Everyone that's communist likes to talk about, oh, all these things will happen, but when they talk about the negatives of capitalism and stuff, they describe it in a way as if the negatives of capitalism don't happen in the absence of capitalism.
People get sick when there's no capitalism.
People don't have clean water when there's no capitalism.
People don't have enough food when there's no capitalism.
All these things that they blame on capitalism also happen in the absence of capitalism.
tim pool
What do you think would happen if we took a hundred communists, dropped them in the middle of, I don't know, like the Yukon territory, and said, good luck?
phil labonte
I'd find out if I could download the app and become a subscriber to the show.
tim pool
Oh, right.
Checking in on our communists in the Yukon.
I shouldn't say the Yukon, but let's say there was an area where it's like, okay, we're going to take 100 communists and we're going to put them in this temperate climate with some fields and some forests.
Good luck.
What would happen is, communism would be gone in a week.
unidentified
Well, don't forget there's a lot of different types of communists, and there are some communists who are incredibly well-trained.
Some communists who are incredibly well-trained for military battle.
tim pool
But that doesn't have an impact on whether or not you can find food.
unidentified
Like, you take a hundred people- Well, I mean, like, communism would evaporate, obviously.
tim pool
So what would happen is, a hundred communists put in the middle of nowhere, and, uh, the incapable people, they're gonna be like, well, look, you're six foot tall, you can reach all the apples, go get the apples for us.
And he's gonna be like, I- I cannot do all of this for you.
Well, look, he's five foot three and overweight, he can't get the apples, so he's gonna sit down and tell us stories.
You go get the apples.
He's gonna be like, no.
I got the apples, I decide.
And they're gonna say, that's not how communism works.
And he's gonna say, come and take it.
Uh oh!
He's gonna, this communist guy is gonna look at him and say, molan labe.
I mean... Two seconds.
I am not giving up my food.
I don't want to starve.
Winter is coming.
Good luck.
You're on your own.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it's the idea that it would work in absence of the foundation that the, you know, that the Industrial Revolution and our market societies have laid is fanciful.
All of the communist societies or socialist societies in history Actual socialist societies, not just like Scandinavia where you get free health care and, you know, the US provides for your security.
But actual communist countries, like, they fall apart because you don't have property rights and people don't, you know, they can't, the system doesn't sustain an economy and you have to have something that sustains an economy.
You need that liberalism.
tim pool
I want to jump to this tweet from Letitia James, the AG of New York.
She tweeted $464,576,230.62.
We know what that means.
That is the number that they are trying to steal from Donald Trump.
You know what's really fascinating is the number that the court prescribed seems to be the amount of money that Donald Trump has in the bank.
Trump has about 400-some-odd million dollars in cash, and so they said, you gotta give us 400 million, okay?
unidentified
We know he's got that in liquid cash, do we?
hannah claire brimelow
This is like the JonBenet ransom note, when they ask for exactly her dad's bonus.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So this is, um, an argument from the left is that Trump actually has more, 600 to 700, but Trump has stated it's about 400, and they asked for four.
New York, like, I'm sorry, look, the other story in this is Letitia James just won a case against the NRA official, against NRA officials.
This is Wayne LaPierre's libel for 5.4 million dollars and some others.
This is the overt, obvious weaponization of the political apparatus of New York.
So, listen, what's the off-ramp?
And what happens to a republic when there is no functioning legal jurisprudence in a state and it is simply just a gun?
New York State serves as a political gun for Democrats.
That's it.
Criminals are let go.
Illegal immigrants are beating cops and they are using the legal system as a weapon against their political opponents.
phil labonte
Think about what a shitshow that city is.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
Letitia James called the NRA a terrorist organization, right?
Like, she knows exactly who she's out to get.
She's not investigating fairly.
She's not trying to protect the people of New York.
She has a political agenda and she's acting on it.
phil labonte
Full disclosure, I think Trump's hilarious.
I absolutely hate the NRA and I hate Wayne LaPierre.
He's a putz.
But they're still screwing him for, you know, as a political action.
This is all about politics.
tim pool
Where is any state, any conservative state, West Virginia, what are you doing?
Oh man.
I mean, who's running for AG next?
It's Morsi now, but he's leaving, isn't he?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, Morsi's running for governor, right?
phil labonte
Right.
I tweeted this earlier today.
tim pool
Can we get some, like, can Matt Walsh run for AG of West Virginia?
I mean, Tennessee's next door.
phil labonte
Indict as many Democrats as you can for whatever you possibly can.
tim pool
But they're doing illegal things!
phil labonte
Yeah, exactly!
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
phil labonte
I'm not saying that, it's not like, it's not like there's like, It's not like if a conservative AG had the balls to actually look and use the power of the government.
It's not like he wouldn't have plenty of stuff to investigate and indict people on.
There's absolutely no question about it, but they just don't have the courage.
tim pool
Do we know who's running for AG?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, so there are two Democrats, Richie Robb and Teresa Torriceva, and then John B. McCuskey and Mike Stewart are the Republican candidates right now.
phil labonte
But I tweeted about this this morning.
We need to have significant lawfare.
There needs to be significant legal attacks against Google under civil rights laws.
There needs to be massive, massive, massive amounts of lawfare.
There needs to be prosecutions, investigations.
Every single conservative That is in any position of power that can investigate some kind of possible breaking of the law, they need to do it, and they need to do it specifically when it's Democrats, for political reasons.
Because that's what the Democrats are doing.
If lawfare is what they want, lawfare is what we need to deliver them, and we need to deliver them lawfare in as much volume as possible.
tim pool
And the end result is obvious, isn't it?
I mean... Republicans right now are going, guys, guys, we can't do this because think of the escalation that it would cause.
And it's like, dude, there is, they are literally seizing the president's assets, the former president's assets.
They are trying to put him in prison on false charges.
They are falsely accusing him of all sorts of untoward things.
They're going after his children and y'all are like, yeah, yeah, but calm down, calm down.
phil labonte
And the thing is, the less The less political response you get, the more likely someone does something that everybody doesn't want.
The more likely some nutbag decides he's gonna grab a gun and go shoot a politician or something like that.
Some idiot does something stupid.
Those problems arise when people feel like they don't have A political way to see their complaints rectified.
Or, like in the case of the election, the courts won't even hear them.
If the courts don't hear you, and you're just disregarded, you are left with no option.
unidentified
Well, I completely agree with you.
And if we see the shenanigans in this 24 election and the Democrat, whoever they might be, maybe Joe Biden will serve successfully until 2029.
Who knows?
But, you know, if we get a rerun of 2020 and it ends up in the same way, I think, yeah, I think things could get really, really ugly.
tim pool
So what's stopping Morrissey of West Virginia from right now doing what Letitia James is doing?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it depends on what you mean.
tim pool
So, like, with the NRA... Any NGO, Planned Parenthood, any NGO that operates in West Virginia's borders should be taken to a court and sued into oblivion using all of the state's resources.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's interesting because the NRA, the reason Alicia James is able to go after the NRA is because they're headquartered in New York and any non-profit that's headquartered in New York is subject to the to this jurisdiction of the Attorney General.
They couldn't even move out if they wanted to.
tim pool
All national NGOs have legal filings in those states.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
tim pool
So that means Morrissey could go after any of these national-level NGOs.
hannah claire brimelow
Sure, but like with the NRA specifically, it's headquartered in New York, that's why she's able- they can't move it out without the Attorney General to consent to dissolve their nonprofit status.
No, no, no, that doesn't matter.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that's one of the unique things about this case.
tim pool
No, no, no, but it's not.
Name an NGO that's operating on a national level and they are filed in all states.
They operate as an organization in all states.
They are subject to the jurisdiction of all in each individual state.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I'm just saying that in particular that's one of the reasons that the NRA has specific ties to New York.
It makes it slightly different.
tim pool
I'm not saying that... It doesn't make a difference.
It does not make a difference at all.
So if you have a non-profit headquartered in Vermont and you are operating nationally, that means you have filed.
Okay, so we have non-profits, right?
That means you go to each state and file that non-profit with the state as though you are based in that state.
unidentified
Is it a single entity?
tim pool
It's a single national entity with a federal tax number, but each, it has to operate, it has to file to operate in each state.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
tim pool
It's very, very difficult.
So that means, if you are Planned Parenthood, you are filed to operate in West Virginia, and you are subject to the jurisdiction at, it doesn't matter where you're, I mean, the difference I suppose is that they might not have, they have a bigger building, maybe?
But like, Planned Parenthood has offices all over the country.
Morrissey could start filing against them in two seconds.
He could make any claim.
I mean, Alabama right now could go after Planned Parenthood.
They've got a whole bunch of now laws on the books.
And was it Alabama that said getting an abortion out of state is a conspiracy to commit a crime?
They could start going after- I thought it was Idaho.
unidentified
I might be wrong now.
tim pool
No, I don't think it was Idaho.
hannah claire brimelow
Alabama.
tim pool
My point is not any of these things specifically.
But there's not a single conservative that is looking at who they have jurisdiction over and doing anything about it.
phil labonte
Nope.
Conservatives are they're they're not doing anything just like you said earlier about the oh, you know settle down calm down blah blah blah blah it is They are not doing what they need to do to protect the country from people that are looking to fundamentally change the structure of the country like The new thing today was people talking about where natural rights come from, and they're saying, oh, well, your rights don't come from the government, they don't come from you being a person.
That is something that the left wants, because as soon as they can convince people that your rights come from the government, once that is the general consensus, then they're privileges.
Then they are at will.
Then the fact that the Bill of Rights implies that there are rights that exist prior to the government becomes irrelevant because the people just start thinking that their rights come from the government.
And that's better than changing any law.
If you can get the narrative in people's heads to change and people to conceptualize their country in a different way, it doesn't matter what the laws are.
Because no one will ever think that you should be brought up on charges when you break the law if people don't think that it's breaking the law.
If people don't think that the government is breaking the law by jailing a journalist, right?
If the government just said, we're gonna pick this guy up and toss him in jail, and it's fine.
If people don't think that that's breaking the law, then there will be no outcry, and the government will do whatever it wants.
So if the government can use narrative to control people's thoughts and opinions, the law is totally irrelevant.
You can sit there and be like, well they're breaking the law, they're oppressing me, blah blah, and no one cares.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
phil labonte
I don't care.
And if no one cares, the law doesn't matter.
And we live in a country where it is only a matter of time until the boot starts coming down on people.
tim pool
The law doesn't matter.
What matters is culture.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
We talk about it all the time.
There are blue laws, there are laws in the books that have never been enforced, that haven't been enforced in a hundred years.
And so you have, in West Virginia, it is quite literally illegal I mean, you can interpret the laws in so many different ways, but having a drag show with children violates, like, five or six different laws in the state.
And they don't do anything.
phil labonte
Nothing happens.
tim pool
They let them do it, and they clap in chairs.
It happens.
Because the culture of Berkeley County, West Virginia doesn't care.
And perhaps the local prosecutor, I guess, is a leftist.
I have no idea.
phil labonte
So I was talking to, this is a little bit of an aside, but I was talking to my nephew, the older one, he's 19, almost 20 now, actually turns 19 in March, and someone had said something that young women are still Kind of, like, enamored with the whole woke thing.
And young men are totally rejecting it.
Like, really, really strongly.
Well, the data shows it.
Yeah.
And so I hit him up, because he's a young guy in school.
I'm like, yo, what are your friends doing?
Like, do your guy friends, blah, blah, blah, you know, do they really, do you see this?
This is what I hear people saying.
I think I sent him a tweet from someone that said it.
Oh, it was Scott Adams said it.
And I sent him, I was like, do you think, you know, do you think this is, is this what you'd see at school?
And he's like, he's like, yeah, yeah, he's like.
hannah claire brimelow
You're getting an eyewitness account.
phil labonte
Yeah, you know if you if you've got people that you know they're there so I hit up my you know and they're smart kids so they're they're not they're like my sister's definitely a normie she's a bank manager and she's very you know she's she's not very involved in politics so she's not actively against Trump or anything or against people she's just not really involved.
But she's married much normally.
And so they are not raised to have a right-wing opinion.
So it's really interesting to see what they think.
And they see it.
They're like, look, yeah, we see it.
And they're like, the kids now, the racism is definitely making a comeback among young people.
There's a lot of A lot of racist jokes that you think would be off-limits, or that are off-limits, like young Gen X. But that makes them want to do it, right?
unidentified
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, if you're going to say, don't do that, what are teenagers going to do?
The exact thing you're saying they shouldn't.
I worked at an all-girls boarding school way back in the day, you know, basically, well, it was like 2019 I was working there, and the girls' school When they told me about going into the election and they were saying, you know, we had canceled classes because they're all expecting to have a day off to celebrate Hillary.
And then they had to have, they had baked like all these cupcakes, like it was a whole thing.
And then they had, I remember the Dean of Students telling me, he's like, we're really grateful we did that because it was a very emotional day for our students the day after the election.
unidentified
That is really like Santa did not come.
hannah claire brimelow
Like six-year-old Santa just didn't show up, like... Right, and there was just like a small group of girls who had been pro-Trump the whole time.
Again, it's a small school, so they know who it is.
And the school, talking about them, would act like they were these terrible, terrible kids.
Like they were disruptive because they supported... I mean, they kept saying that he won.
tim pool
It wasn't that Santa didn't come.
It's that Krampus did.
phil labonte
Even better.
Right.
tim pool
And so we're laughing, like, we didn't do anything, like, we're happy, you know, whatever.
Man, I can't believe that guy won.
phil labonte
It was a wild night.
unidentified
It was 2016.
tim pool
Yeah, wow.
unidentified
Never forget it.
tim pool
Never forget.
Everyone remembers exactly where they were when that happened.
unidentified
You want to know where I was?
hannah claire brimelow
Yes.
unidentified
Venezuela.
phil labonte
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
And what was your reaction?
Like, what did Venezuela think of this?
unidentified
Well, I don't know what Venezuela thought of it.
Actually, Venezuela was pretty happy.
In fact, Donald Trump was very popular in Venezuela because the regime in Venezuela is really unpopular.
And, you know, Trump was sanctioning Maduro and trying to get Maduro out.
But no, I mean, I'll never forget that night.
It was something special.
In fact, it was difficult to kind of take it all in because it was all happening so fast.
You didn't have time to kind of enjoy bathing in the glory of it.
tim pool
The best Maduro moment ever is when he's giving that national address and then pulls an empanada out of his drawer and then eats it.
Yo, what?
unidentified
I haven't seen that.
I used to cover Venezuela.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you feel like the UK has Their own Trump figure right now?
Because I feel like there have been a couple people have risen to notoriety but no one quite rivals it.
unidentified
I've never seen this.
That is funny.
tim pool
Dude, you couldn't wait 30 seconds to finish your national address before eating the empanada?
hannah claire brimelow
It's big empanada.
They're paying him to do this.
tim pool
Look, Venezuela is what happens when low cognitive function and evil people are left unchecked.
You get your leader, while your nation is starving, he's eating an empanada on TV.
And he's still there!
What's to happen?
A bus driver with no experience.
unidentified
Well, you want to know what's interesting about Venezuela is that actually Venezuela the Venezuelan economy is
actually grown Quite a bit in the last two three years because he's had to
just give up on the currency. So it's all dollarized and He's had to you know, remove all the price controls
He's had to lift a load of tariffs.
So Venezuela is actually doing a lot better than it was.
It's still in a terrible place, obviously.
tim pool
You know what he should do?
He should make Bitcoin legal tender in Venezuela.
unidentified
Well, that's what Bukele is.
And yeah, no, Bukele is quite an inspiration, actually.
I mean, it's... What do you think of his speech at CPAC?
I've got to be honest like I didn't watch it because I kind of know what he what kind of thing he said but what I will tell you about he absolutely schooled a BBC journalist the other day and the journalist was saying oh you know all these innocent people and to be fair There will be innocent people in El Salvador who have been imprisoned.
Of course.
And that's sad.
But that happens in America, that happens in the UK, that happens everywhere.
But to think, just to think that, I don't know the precise statistics, but I think it's 90-95%, to think that you could go out, right, and get murdered so easily, and now these streets are completely safe.
I mean, that's an incredible achievement.
A really incredible achievement.
phil labonte
And even though that there are people that, like innocent people, that end up getting, you know, scooped up and stuff, there's not going to be a lot of people that are going to complain.
unidentified
Oh no, they love him.
They love him.
phil labonte
Only the people outside of the country.
unidentified
And this is, you know, it's funny, you were bringing up, you were talking about Drudge being kind of left of center.
I mean, I'm absolutely disgusted by Drudge nowadays.
And I noticed they put a headline, although I do read it sometimes, and they put up a headline, you know, calling him a dictator.
I mean, it's just unbelievable.
tim pool
Did he get bought by the CIA?
Is that what happened?
unidentified
Well, actually, you know, it's funny because conservatives think he's this hardline conservative, but he isn't.
He actually comes from El Salvador's more socialistic party.
I think he's kind of a maverick.
And he's also... Bukele does?
Bukele does, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, I was talking about Drudge.
unidentified
Oh, Drudge!
tim pool
Yeah, was Drudge bought by the CIA?
unidentified
Oh, well, actually, I mean, that's a good question.
You might have a better view on this.
I mean, and I know it's very, you know, people have talked about it a lot, but What actually happened?
Did he sell it?
Or has he just gone off the rails?
hannah claire brimelow
What do you think?
unidentified
My instinct is that he hasn't sold it.
But I might be wrong.
I mean, I really don't know.
tim pool
You mean like a private sale happened no one knows about?
unidentified
Yeah, because he's a very secretive guy.
I mean, he, you know, he was a very strange, strange figure.
And he would keep that kind of thing private.
phil labonte
You're talking about Drudge?
unidentified
Yeah.
And he is obsessed with Trump.
And he's also very anti-Elon Musk as well.
phil labonte
Why is he anti-Elon Musk?
unidentified
Because he's a liberal now.
I mean, I don't know what's going on there.
phil labonte
I mean, I just don't...
Well I mean I do understand and I do see it just it's it's still my gut reaction is still surprising for people to be like oh I don't like Elon Musk because of the things that he says on Twitter it's like all of this history of him doing actual things that you loved up until he bought X right you know and and He started talking to the wrong people.
Essentially started looking at the country and saying, hey, look, I don't like the things that I'm seeing with the government being too, you know, trying to be too authoritarian.
And like he notices that and starts speaking about it.
And then it's like, oh, he's now he's officially just a total bad person and deserving of as much I think it's okay to be skeptical of people, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Like, he's an extremely wealthy man who now controls all kinds of things.
Like, yeah, you know, don't just make anyone an idol.
But I do think that there is, weirdly, this switch that happened where they said, well, you bought X and so now you're the enemy.
And that, to me, seems such like a histrionic response.
unidentified
Well, to be fair, I mean, I'm a big fan of Elon and I love what he's done with X. But I have noticed he's become quite partisan.
And I don't actually think that that is necessary.
tim pool
In what way, though?
unidentified
Well, he's just, you know, pushing Republicans and conservatives on Twitter, which I love.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
You gotta break that down.
What do you mean?
unidentified
Well, he's, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's making, he's fighting all our arguments for us, you know, on the border, on censorship, on, on, on corruption.
tim pool
I think, I think, I think that's a leftist narrative that what you're, what you're saying.
unidentified
Yeah, but I can understand.
The point I was going to make was that I think he... I don't think he's foolish for doing this, but I think that if... I think he... I'm going to push back.
tim pool
Elon Musk is not partisan.
The idea and the claim that he is, is a leftist talking point to legitimize communist and Marxist ideas.
Elon Musk saying things that every American believed in 10 years ago as to the foundational principles and the solidification and preservation of the republic are American ideas regardless of liberal or conservative.
To say now that Elon Musk promoting ideas that we tend to agree with makes him partisan is to legitimize the leftists' claim that they are a legitimate wing of American politics.
They're not.
Progressives and their ideas, like every Democrat in 2019 raised their hand that they would open the borders.
Every single one of them.
unidentified
And they also raised their hand when they said, would you give free healthcare?
That's right.
tim pool
They said, and Elon Musk responded to that tweet that I put out when I posted that video.
And of the video that Badia Anger Sargon posted about them wanting open borders.
If you believe in having a secure border, that is a normal, middle-of-the-road American position, that even Hillary Clinton was calling for a border barrier in 2008 to 2012.
Now what we have is communists who are trying to legitimize the idea that it's actually a partisan position to destroy the country, and they had great success pushing those ideas forward through social media in the 2020 cycle.
Elon Musk isn't coming out and saying industry should have this this tax rate and he's not coming out and saying pro-life or otherwise.
He's not coming out and saying everyone should donate to the RNC.
Republicans are the greatest political party.
But what we're looking at right now is You have, uh... Phil's not a conservative.
I'm not a conservative.
Hannah-Claire, you're probably a conservative.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm conservative.
tim pool
We actually are a range of spectrum around left and right.
Elon Musk would be somewhere in between and arguing with us.
So it's not partisan at all.
But what's happened now is the left is trying to legitimize the idea that their psychosis is legitimate politics.
So, my point is simply this.
The meme that Elon Musk posted exemplifies it pretty well.
There's a left and a right in this country, and Elon is center-left.
Then the far left comes out and says the most deranged psychotic things and claims they're the actual left, which moves the middle and puts Elon now in the right-wing position.
Elon Musk is a leftist.
Elon Musk has complained about climate change.
Elon Musk has talked about progressive tax policy.
Elon Musk holds tons of traditional liberal positions.
unidentified
Elon Musk voted for Joe Biden.
Well, at least so he says.
tim pool
There you go.
Elon Musk has posted tons of things where conservatives have criticized him for holding liberal ideas.
He's not being partisan by saying, I believe in thing that would keep America functioning, unless the argument is the legitimate politics of this country are whether the country should exist or not exist.
I certainly understand the left holds those views that the United States should not exist, but I don't believe it's a legitimate political discussion for a country to say, I hereby vote the country doesn't exist.
No, you're an invasive force trying to destroy us.
The legitimate conversation of this country is, we all agree we should preserve this country, let's make it work.
We're at war, however, in a cold civil war, whatever you want to call it.
Elon Musk saying things that would make this country function is normal discourse.
unidentified
Well, I think I'd take Elon at his word.
I don't agree that he's centre-left.
I think I'd take him at his word when he says he's a social liberal and an economic conservative.
That's centre-left.
Well, he's fiscal conservatism.
I mean, that is the right term.
tim pool
Social liberal, fiscal conservative is traditional democrat, which is American centre-left.
unidentified
Yeah, okay, well that's an interesting way of looking at it, I don't necessarily disagree.
tim pool
So, when you look at the academic terms, right, this was big when everyone said I'm a classical liberal, I'm a classical liberal, and I kept saying, no you're not!
Classical liberal means libertarian in American politics.
Social liberal is close to Bernie Sanders, and traditional liberal is centre-left libertarian.
unidentified
So I've got a question for you about that.
You have said in the past that you liked Bernie.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
And I see Bernie as everything we're railing against.
Because Bernie is as close to a communist as, or socialist as... Bernie Sanders in 2016 is not Bernie Sanders in 2018.
A lot of people do say that, but I think that's overstated.
Nope.
Because he's always been very socially progressive, and he's always been, you know, very economically left-wing.
And I think that's undeniable.
tim pool
And he jumped off the cliff.
Yes.
unidentified
I mean, did he ever really advocate, like, you know, controlled immigration?
tim pool
Open borders is a Koch brothers proposal, he said, in 2015.
You cannot have open borders.
The World Socialist website called him a nationalist capitalist for saying, I think in 2018, Something like, oh my god, no, we can't have open borders, everybody would flood this country, it can't work.
That's Bernie Sanders.
And then what happened is, he realized he could be a millionaire, and that, who cares?
What's the point anymore?
unidentified
I think he's that cynical.
I mean, he may be right.
tim pool
How many houses does he own?
A three?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, he's a rich man.
phil labonte
He's a rich man.
I think he's less cynical and more a party person, and he's like, well, I can make money and I'm gonna do what the party says.
I think that he's He's more of a party pawn than an idea guy.
tim pool
A lot of Trump supporters were originally Bernie supporters.
unidentified
That is true, but I've always found that very strange.
tim pool
But it makes perfect sense when Bernie Sanders in 2015 and 2016 is saying, we need to help blue-collar workers, we need to bring back manufacturing, we need to secure our borders, we need better trade agreements, and they're all going, this Bernie guy makes a lot of But do you really believe if Bernie had become president in 2016, America... Two questions.
unidentified
Do you think America would be... Would A, have secured its borders, and B, be on the right track?
tim pool
No.
Because Bernie Sanders is a pathetic, weak coward.
And that's why he lost.
That's why the Democrats steamrolled him.
unidentified
Well, they kind of stole it from him, to be fair.
tim pool
Yeah, because he's a pathetic, weak coward.
And he whimpered and cried, and he said, I'll just take the billion dollars and I'll go crawl away!
And Donald Trump was the bull who smashed through the doors and said, don't F with me.
phil labonte
It's also fair to take into account the fact that people that used to like Bernie Like, when they saw what the Democrats did to Bernie, that has something to do with the fact that they no longer like the Democrats.
Like, if they left, if they were like, yeah, I like Bernie, and blah, blah, blah, and they saw the way the Democrats treated Bernie, it might be like, oh, wait a minute, they're not nearly as, they're not better than the Republicans like I thought they were, the Democrats are just as bad, so it doesn't matter if I go to the Republicans for Donald Trump.
tim pool
I was in Anaheim, and there were three people, an older guy and two younger guys, they were hanging out.
It was outside of a Trump rally.
And I asked these guys, what are they doing?
You know, why do they support Trump?
And they said, actually, they were Bernie supporters.
The older guy was like a factory worker.
He had been in a union his whole life.
The younger guys were fairly progressive, but they were friends of the older guy.
I don't know, they might have been related.
And they said, look, We want Bernie!
We think that he's got the experience in DC.
His consistency says to us that he means what he says, and we think he'll fight for the things he's talked about.
And he's advocating for the union worker, the factory worker, the manufacturing base.
He's advocating to secure our borders and get rid of this, you know, the Koch brothers proposals.
And when the DNC destroyed him, Donald Trump was our only choice.
Shortly after meeting them, they were physically attacked by far leftists outside the Trump rally, and they were chased, smacked, and spit on.
And they were, and these guys were, this is Anaheim, yeah, these guys were like former Bernie guys.
unidentified
I mean, I think part of it as well is I look at the most dangerous people in America, Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and they're all Bernie people.
And I just find it, I've always found it very difficult to square the, and you're absolutely right, of course, that a lot of Bernie people went over to vote for Trump and everything, but I've always found it very difficult, very difficult idea to square that you can somehow transition from being a Bernie fan to being a Trump fan, because they are ultimately very, very different.
tim pool
Their campaign policies were very much the same in 2015 and 16.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, I'd have to, I have not seen evidence, I'm sure it exists, but I have not seen him talk about securing the borders.
But I mean, he may have.
hannah claire brimelow
It reminds me of basically what people say.
tim pool
2016, February 8th, from NPR, five ways Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are more alike than you think.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's one of those things like West Virginia was a blue state for years and years and years.
It always elected Democrats.
unidentified
Old school Democrats.
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think in some ways people forget that the Democratic Party has gone through a ton of change.
Something that is...
unidentified
Open borders.
...a level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders, about sharply increasing...
Open borders.
hannah claire brimelow
...open borders.
unidentified
That's a Koch Brothers proposal.
The idea...
Of course.
I mean, that's a right-wing proposal which says, essentially, there is no United States.
But it would make a lot of the global poor richer.
Excuse me!
It would make everybody in America poor.
Then you're doing away with the concept of a nation-state.
And I don't think there's any country on the world which believes in that.
If you believe in a nation-state, or in a country called the United States, or UK, or Denmark, or any other country, You have an obligation, in my view, to do everything we can to help poor people.
What right-wing people in this country would love is an open border policy.
tim pool
My, how things have changed, ladies and gentlemen!
There's Bernie Sanders saying, with an open border, you will get poorer.
And what is Joe Biden doing?
Please, share this clip of Bernie Sanders It's right when it starts, Ezra Klein asks him.
And in the first minute, he says, immigration will make you poorer.
And now ask everybody why.
Do you support Joe Biden?
You do?
Why do you hate Bernie Sanders?
Because Bernie Sanders said this almost 10 years ago, 8 years ago now.
unidentified
But what he says at the end there is wrong, though.
He says that right-wing people want an open border.
tim pool
Back then, he wasn't wrong.
unidentified
And this is why... Yeah, okay, the Romney-McCain wing of the party, I agree with you, but I don't... Yeah, they want cheap labor to come in.
I don't consider them right-wing, I consider them sort of... well, they're neocons above everything else.
tim pool
And that's who had dominated the Republican Party.
And that's why people like me didn't care for either party.
And then when Trump came in, I just thought it was all a whole bunch of BS.
I'm like, another guy, I ain't falling for it.
I fell for Obama, I'm not falling for it again.
And then Hillary Clinton lost and I laughed my ass off and had a good time.
And then 2020 came around and I was like, Trump deserves another four years.
No new wars.
Everything else is stamp collected.
These people come to me and they're like, but Trump did this.
I'll be like, he did what?
Well, Trump said, grab him by the pussy.
I'll go, wow.
How many people did not get blown up because Donald Trump was president?
So let me make a choice.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Joe Biden and we've got Syria ramping up.
We've got war in the Red Sea.
We've got war with the Red Sea Houthi rebels, Iran-backed, Iranian-backed militias.
We've got war in Israel.
The U.S.
is supporting all of it and Ukraine or grab him by the pussy.
I think I know which one I'm taking.
unidentified
I do believe that if Trump gets put into office, he will bring an end to the Ukraine conflict.
It may come with a price.
I mean, I'm more sympathetic to Ukraine than I am to Russia, but... I used to be.
tim pool
Now I hate Ukraine with a passion.
unidentified
It's not so much that I have any particular affection for Ukraine as much as I think that Putin ultimately It supports communism around the world, and I'm an anti-communist.
I mean, look, I mean, he... if you look in the news recently, I mean, he bought Kim Jong-un a... some kind of car as a gift.
Now, you could say, oh, that's smart, 4D chess, diplomacy.
But I mean, Kim Jong-un, as far as I'm concerned, is like... I mean, the... We sanctioned Russia.
tim pool
We... we block their trade.
We block swift payment from Russia.
unidentified
And it failed!
tim pool
And Ukraine... and Ukraine robs us.
Zelensky steals from us.
unidentified
He steals from a lot of countries.
tim pool
Well, he certainly does, and he's stealing from us.
And so you know what?
Putin's a bad guy who has interests that are absolutely opposed to our interests.
He's not a good person.
He is a very, very bad person.
Okay, Ukraine's robbing the American people, and our crackpot corrupt politicians are in on it.
Despicable, evil people.
And Zelensky, with a smile on his face, keeps saying, give me more.
Give me more.
And our politicians are like, sure thing.
unidentified
Well, the person I hold in most contempt for, the person I hold in contempt for this, above all, is Boris Johnson.
Because he could have brought an end to it.
And he, I don't know exactly when it was.
tim pool
Yeah, but he was sent there by the US.
unidentified
Sorry?
tim pool
He was sent there by the US.
unidentified
Well, maybe.
But he persuaded Zelensky not to sign a peace deal.
Ultimately, when you think of the realities of war, and this is coming up a lot at the moment with the talk of the draft.
I love this bill that Anna Paulina Luna proposed.
tim pool
Anyone who votes in favor of Ukraine war has to go fight.
unidentified
But, I mean, I've never been in war, but I know for certain that war is hell.
And whatever we can do to stop war, we should.
tim pool
There was a great quote we read on this show, that war is not hell.
I can't remember whose quote it was.
They said, in hell, everyone's bad.
In war, children are getting blown up.
It's not hell.
It's something worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Absolutely. But um, yeah, there was a point where I was like, man, I feel real bad for Ukraine.
You know, I want them to survive. I've been there several times. I have friends from there. Now I'm
just like, I can't wait for them to lose. So they stopped stealing out of our pocket.
unidentified
But you can't I mean, to be fair, plus you can't you can't blame Zelensky for taking advantage of
tim pool
what the US offer. I can't blame the guy who bought my stolen car. And knowing it was stolen.
I can't blame the guy who went to his buddy and said, steal, steal the car from your neighbor and
bring it to me. It's not his fault. What do you mean?
unidentified
Okay, but I mean, look, if you imagine, if you put, imagine the shoe on the other foot.
I think that's the correct phrase.
Um, you know, if America were taking money from elsewhere and they were happy to do it, um, and it would getting congressional or whatever they call it.
tim pool
And the people were protesting and it was deeply unpopular.
All the national international polls showed people hated it and didn't want to be involved in it.
And you were taking their money.
You are a thief.
Like, Zelensky knows for a fact that the American people do not want to give him money.
This is widely known, and in the press, Zelensky knows Trump is winning in the polls.
He knows the American people do not support sending money to Ukraine, and he fears that should Donald Trump win, their support will be cut off.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, he's probably, you're probably right.
He's also, like, in a position where, you know, if he loses, his head is on the line.
I mean, he might get killed.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
So his life is actually on the line.
And whereas I get that, you know, he doesn't have a whole lot of choice, and I get that, you know, he's making a choice that to the American people is probably objectionable to most of us.
That is something the American people should handle at the voting booths in the fall.
tim pool
Zelensky knows the American people are screaming as the politicians are shuffling duffel bags of cash out the back door, and he's crossing his fingers being like, a couple more bags before they find out what we're doing!
They're gonna send in the cops to stop us, just give us a couple more bags!
phil labonte
Yeah, well, I mean, not only that, I mean, it's going to him, but it's also, it's like, we're making all, or printing this money so that way he can buy weapons from the US.
tim pool
What was the amount that was unaccountable?
Was it 50 billion?
unidentified
Oh yeah, they have accounting errors, don't they?
tim pool
No, no, no, there was a substantial amount of money that was unaccounted for, that was sent there.
This guy is a scumbag.
Look, Putin's a scumbag.
Putin's a bad guy.
He's a nasty dude who's strangled power in Russia for decades.
Don't like the guy.
But I'm not going to sit here and be like, that's why Zelensky deserves our money.
How about that money goes to, I don't know, fixing pipes, fixing roads, building bridges, securing our border?
unidentified
Here's a question.
I need to check the figures on this.
But I mean, how does the cost of funding the conflict in Ukraine match up with the cost of funding millions of illegal immigrants?
Both are destroying this country.
But which one costs more?
I imagine the illegal immigrants, but war's very expensive.
tim pool
Well, I don't know.
If you track a metric like that, that's massive.
unidentified
Yeah, it is massive, and it's costing.
hannah claire brimelow
So we probably shouldn't be doing both at the same time, or maybe we shouldn't be doing either.
I mean, this is the thing that sort of… I think Republicans need to answer for, but I also think any left-wing politician should because we've known for a long, long time that making ourselves the military interventionists around the globe costs our taxpayers, but also opening our borders, not defending our own borders, allowing illegal immigration to run rampant for decades,
Yeah.
costs us too. I mean, at what point do we acknowledge that every elected politician
has failed their constituents by not doing more to secure the border, by not saying no
to every foreign aid package before Ukraine? At a certain point, you know, these things
are hitting a breaking point. These are the most blatant examples, but we have been allowing
Americans to suffer for a long time.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you guys feel the same way in the UK?
The support for Ukraine in the UK is definitely greater than the US.
unidentified
Greater?
Oh yeah.
Support in UK the support for Ukraine in the Ukraine is definitely
Greater than the u.s. Greater. Oh, yeah. Do you think that do you think that the UK feels like?
phil labonte
Do you think that among the UK population you think that that Russia's looked at as a threat to them?
To the island itself?
unidentified
Well, interestingly, Putin has said, I think he said that actually if he were to launch an attack of some kind, London would be his first target.
hannah claire brimelow
But didn't the UK government just stop offering visas to Ukrainian families or something?
unidentified
I didn't see that.
Is that true?
hannah claire brimelow
I was, I thought, I thought, yeah.
unidentified
I think it's an intractable issue, really.
I mean, I don't see any way out of this crisis apart from some politicians saying, we have to end this war.
And I guess the only person at this point you can do that is Donald Trump.
So choose wisely.
hannah claire brimelow
And just wait.
I mean, that's the thing.
Now we have to wait for an election.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
And the war in Ukraine is obviously going on and it's... We're going to go through a whole summer, another whole summer of grinding up human beings.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Go ahead and get another two, three hundred thousand people that are dead.
You know, something like that.
hannah claire brimelow
Every bill that Congress tries to pass, they're going to stick an aid package.
You have to send money to Ukraine.
phil labonte
Can't wait.
Exciting, exciting things coming this summer.
People spending money on Ukraine.
No, it'll get worse.
Yeah.
unidentified
It'll get worse.
tim pool
Gen Z just needs to hear the message repeated over and over and over again.
And the younger generation, of course.
The reason why you can't afford an apartment is because they're giving all of your resources to
phil labonte
non-citizens. Yeah. Yeah. You had, what, 5 million last year or 3 million?
unidentified
I mean, when you talk about certified insanity, you know, being mentally ill for supporting Joe
Biden, well, I wouldn't quite go that far. But what I will say is that people who don't have
a problem with what's happening at the southern border, um...
And actually on the borders of Europe and the UK, people who truly believe that it's all going to be fine and we can just keep letting them in, those people have to be certifiably insane.
I mean, I just don't know how a city like... I mean, Eric Adams, the mayor of New York, he's saying repeatedly this is going to destroy New York, this is going to, you know, we've got no more room, this is a crisis.
But when you actually hear him say, Joe Biden, please, I'm pleading with you, close the border, he never does it.
tim pool
Well, now Biden's saying, oh, we got to take action to close the border.
It's the Republicans who are keeping it open because they're evil.
unidentified
I never had a good look at that border security.
tim pool
Well, it wasn't a border security bill.
It was a Ukraine funding bill.
unidentified
So Ukraine funding was attached to it?
tim pool
No.
UK funding was what, 70 something percent?
Yeah.
It was a bill to fund Ukraine with an amnesty package attached to it.
hannah claire brimelow
Of the $18 billion set aside in the package, $90 billion went abroad and $20 billion went to border security.
tim pool
$20 billion went to border amnesty.
hannah claire brimelow
Border amnesty, that's true.
tim pool
It was not a security bill.
unidentified
What do you mean by border amnesty?
tim pool
It increased the amount of people who are allowed to enter the country.
It facilitated their entry into the country.
It gave CBP the right to adjudicate asylum claims outside of courts.
It allowed work permitting for non-citizens.
It sped up the process by which they come in and gave the authority to Border Patrol to make it go faster.
unidentified
This is what they always say.
They say, we've got a crisis.
We've got to fix it.
We understand that the border is a crisis.
And then what they do, they say, so here's our solutions.
tim pool
Speed up the... Codify what we're doing and make it easier for us.
unidentified
Yes, speed up the process with which they can be shipped in and handed all the benefits.
tim pool
It would have ended Texas's efforts to secure the border.
It would have given legal justification Codified to CBP and the federal government to bring in up to 8,500 adults per day and an infinite amount of minors per day.
unidentified
Yes, there was a, yeah.
tim pool
Infinite.
So as many of these guys just claim are 17 even though they're 40, doesn't count towards the totals.
So it basically codified illegal immigration.
It would have made it all legal immigration, that's the point.
It was an amnesty bill.
They would have come out and said, we solved the illegal immigration crisis.
It's all legal immigration.
hannah claire brimelow
But then Chuck Schumer did that interview being like, look, we have to compromise.
You know, everyone has to compromise.
I don't like everything in this bill.
It was definitely intended to be something to make Republicans look like they're the problem.
I mean, this is the same White House that said, no, no, there's nothing wrong at the border.
It's great.
And then eventually said, well, if there's a problem, it's the Republicans.
I mean, they lie through their teeth about this and don't actually want a solution at all.
tim pool
They make a bill to fund Ukraine, call it a border security bill, and Republicans are like, what?
This is a Ukraine bill.
We don't vote for it.
Biden goes on TV and says, they just said no to our border security bill!
phil labonte
Yeah.
It's pretty remarkable when the fact that the name of the bill is misleading and no news organization, no journalist speaks up and says, this isn't what they say.
hannah claire brimelow
was the problem because they nicknamed it the border bill, but the actual title was like the
Emergency National Security Funding Act or something. Like it just said national security
and that theoretically is how they justify sending money abroad, right? We have to help Ukraine
because that means that we don't have to send Americans to war. That's what Chuck Schumer said.
But it's the journalists who ultimately say, oh, we're just going to get lazy and call it the
border bill because that's sort of the way we want. We want the headline to be.
tim pool
Don't say gay.
hannah claire brimelow
Wait, we want the headline to be Republicans stop border bill despite screaming about crisis.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's because the media is just the mouthpiece of the Democrats.
tim pool
Yeah, well, they're all dying.
phil labonte
Lying everybody off.
tim pool
Vice.com is gone.
phil labonte
Thankfully.
Mercifully.
unidentified
I saw Gavin McGinnis made some rather funny remarks about how he started.
I do find it so funny that Gavin McGinnis was the man who started Vice.
tim pool
He was the content guy behind it.
Shane was the marketing guy.
Saroosh started it.
Shane was supposed to do marketing and Gavin was doing the content.
unidentified
To be fair to Vice, some of their YouTube documentaries are pretty cool.
tim pool
Yeah, in 2011.
unidentified
I think there's some more recent ones than that.
Which one?
Well, I don't know.
I mean, one about Honduran gangs.
I mean, I saw one on that and it was pretty... I just read this article from Vice about how... I mean, I know brave journalists as well.
hannah claire brimelow
It's from... originally it was Vice... one of the European Vices, but...
They're trying to float the idea that mifepristone, the drug that they use for abortion, should be the new birth control because it's a non-hormonal- you know how there have been a huge movement of women saying, you know, birth control is bad because you're pumping your body hormones, there are long-term effects, and they're like, absolutely no problem!
If you just once a week take this abortion drug, it's a form of birth control!
We've solved this issue!
Like, vice is such a weird thing because you do get A glimpse into how other people are thinking.
unidentified
Was.
hannah claire brimelow
And you can see, was, that's true.
unidentified
Is it officially dead?
tim pool
So Vice now is a production company that will operate behind the scenes and will sell shows to other networks.
unidentified
Ah, okay.
tim pool
But Vice.com is done.
So they don't do any regular content anymore.
unidentified
And what about BuzzFeed?
Because BuzzFeed is- They're gone.
Also- Yeah, BuzzFeed's gone.
Almost gone, but it's still kind of alive, like kind of limping on in this- The brand name is still around, but I don't think BuzzFeed makes- I mean the page is still there.
tim pool
Yeah, they posted something 17 hours ago.
hannah claire brimelow
Let's take a quiz!
unidentified
Let's take a quiz!
They essentially were not... It's BuzzFeed News that I believe is gone, right?
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, they... okay.
phil labonte
That was because of the lawsuit that Peter Thiel and Hulk Hogan brought against BuzzFeed.
unidentified
No, that was Gawker, wasn't it?
phil labonte
Was that Gawker?
unidentified
Yeah, that was Gawker.
phil labonte
Oh, was it?
Okay, my bad, my bad.
tim pool
Yeah, May 2023 was their last article, I guess.
unidentified
Well, on BuzzFeed News.
tim pool
Good riddance!
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Good riddance.
A final editor's note.
Bye bye!
unidentified
I'll never forgive BuzzFeed for calling me a white nationalist.
hannah claire brimelow
What did they do that?
unidentified
Well, what happened was... What happened was...
As I was telling you earlier, I really got into this business through Milo Yiannopoulos.
And he had been sending some messages.
I don't know.
There were some messages, some leaked thing that went out to a BuzzFeed journalist called something Bernstein.
Is it Joe Bernstein?
phil labonte
Alex Bernstein?
unidentified
I can't remember his name.
But anyway, he was a BuzzFeed tack dog.
And they did a whole thing about Breitbart and how white nationalism was infiltrated into the mainstream.
And I was put up in this graph about it, and they were linking me with all these things.
And to be fair, some of the things that Milo had said were, well, let's just say I wouldn't say them, but I had no idea about them.
Anyway, I was linked with this and then I was actually still studying at the time and then my local newspaper picked up the fact that a student at the university has been accused of white nationalism and then it kind of ruined the rest of my time at university because I saw all these people and I just could just feel that they were looking at me, because I wanted to be non-political.
I am political, but when I meet liberals, you know, in other scenarios, I just don't want to talk about politics.
And I could just feel that, you know, people were like, oh, that's crazy.
This is the guy.
This is the white nationalist.
hannah claire brimelow
You had been branded.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
So that was very uncomfortable.
So I do not mourn BuzzFeed's demise.
tim pool
The story that I was told by someone I knew at Vice was very high up was that it was a dream come true.
Everything was going great.
Murdoch came in and gave them something like $70 million, giving them a $2 billion valuation.
unidentified
Murdoch was an investor in Vice.
tim pool
He was like... Didn't know that.
Yeah.
And what happened was after a few sex scandals where high ups were accused of impropriety, the other investors that had gotten involved at this point, which was like Disney or something, A&E, Hearst, or whatever, they basically said, the only way out of this is for you guys to embrace feminist ideas and claim to be feminists.
And so they just went, whatever, we don't care, sure.
And that was it.
Overnight.
That began the end of what was considered to be... I mean, Shane, Shane Smith, the CEO, I was talking about how they were going to be the CNN of the street.
They were taken over.
They were the new big thing.
They were better, bigger.
They had the youth.
I gotta tell you, when Vice decided to embrace hardcore ideology of the left, they smacked their audience in the face with a mallet.
And I'd been talking to some Vice producers, there was an article they wrote, and it was called, this horrible app shows you what women look like topless.
And I was talking to one of the producers, one of the original guys, and I said, you want to know why Vice is dying?
And this was seven years ago, they were still functioning.
And I was like, because when they were popular, the article would have been titled, this amazing app will show you what women look like topless.
And they would have been irreverent, shockingly offensive, But facetious, like, not literally infringe on, you know, make women look naked, but it's a joke, it's funny, have a laugh.
Now they're uptight, whiny twats.
And everybody I knew advised, they were like, but we can't do that anymore.
And I'm like, yeah, you can.
It's what made you big.
Why abandon what people like and want and enjoy?
Let them rot for all I care.
Maybe if they eventually abandon the domain, I'll take it.
unidentified
Yeah, you should buy the domain.
tim pool
The domain itself is probably worth $10 million.
Wow!
It's a four-letter domain of a single word.
unidentified
And a very famous word.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a very high-use word.
Like, I can't believe they got it, but they were early.
So, it used to be viceland.com, and then once they got a bunch of money, then millions of dollars, they bought it.
But it is amazing.
unidentified
So where did it go wrong for them?
Where did they lose all their money?
tim pool
So, around the time I was there... Oh, because you worked there?
Yeah, I started Vice News.
unidentified
You started Vice News?
tim pool
Yeah, and when I was there, it was okay.
But...
It was very obvious to me what was going on and I was like, I'm out.
I need something.
It was the corporate-ification of what Vice was.
I would watch the Vice docs.
I'm like, man, that's so cool.
I want to do that.
So I went to Vice and I said, hey, I want to do this with you guys.
Look what I can bring to the table.
Technology news.
They said to me, we don't do news.
Like, we have things we will call news, but it's like an on-the-ground documentary.
We don't do reporting.
And I said, let me come in here and do reporting.
Here's the idea.
I picked device.
I will live stream breaking news events.
You will get hundreds of thousands of viewers concurrent.
You film me doing it, and Vice makes the mini-doc.
I give you the live concurrent viewers.
You sell against it.
You make money.
And they agreed.
It took like six, seven months, and they finally launched Vice News.
They had a concept called Vice News, but it was basically anything that HBO didn't want, they would just put on a Vice News YouTube channel.
When I came in, they literally said, we don't do field reporting.
And Shane Smith at the Knight Foundation said, we had no intention of doing any kind of real news reporting until Tim Pool came in and pitched it to us and convinced us to do it.
So, I was excited at first, but after the first year, it became increasingly apparent what they were doing, and why it was going to fail, and I was like, okay, I got what I got, I guess I'm out.
I left.
And then I went to Fusion, and they offered me freedom, a budget, money, my own team.
It was an expansion, and I was like, if I'm in control of what's going on, this won't happen.
And then within like seven months, they fired their editor-in-chief, brought in a guy who had a Twitter profile that said, down with whiteness, and then they went bankrupt, fired everybody, and lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
So, the funny thing is, I moved through these two companies and Fusion was an ABC News company.
I worked out of the ABC News building.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Yeah, and I was there and I'll be in the elevator with Whoopi Goldberg.
Is this during the Occupy?
No, no, this is 2014 to 2016.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
I'm in the elevator at the ABC News building in New York, Whoopi Goldberg standing out there.
I'm like, I was such a big fan of Guinan.
I'm like, this is cool.
I'm like, here's where I work.
I would walk into like where they do the news and I'd be standing there watching them all do it.
And I'm like, we're going to make something happen.
And then six months later, they were like, we want to be Far left.
And I asked the president, why would you do that?
And he's like, this is what young people want.
And I said, no, they don't.
Who's telling you that?
I was like, I'm on the internet, dude.
And I actually proved to them in a marketing strategy campaign on social media.
And the president even said to me, Tim, you are the only person in this company who knows how to get views on content.
And I was like, I'm telling you what to do!
And they were like, we'd rather burn it all to the ground.
And they did.
And they burned it all to the ground.
And now I'm looking at Vice and I'm looking at Fusion.
And I'm like, you know what, man?
Let me say this to the former president of Fusion and to Shane.
I don't think Shane cares.
I got respect for the guy.
I don't know what his plan was.
I don't know what's going on in his life.
He's a super rich guy with a family.
I'm sure he's happy where everything went.
But I gotta tell you this, everything I said at the time, at these companies, I was right.
And if you guys listened and just said, Tim, I'm gonna give you a hundred grand, do whatever it is you're saying to do, I'd be like, okay.
And y'all would be worth substantially more money right now.
But you know what?
I gotta say, I'm not sure Shane cares.
He's still a millionaire.
He's probably chilling.
Vice may be dead, but he got what he got.
Good for him.
The people who worked at Fusion, I'm sure they're working somewhere, and they didn't care.
It wasn't their money in the first place.
So whoever invested in these things, Disney, A&E, Hearst, whatever, Univision, ABC, they were more interested, I guess, in burning money, because whatever, than actually building the next generation of media.
There you go.
unidentified
So what's the next left-wing media company on the chopping block?
tim pool
Washington Post, probably.
unidentified
That would be great.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
That would really, that would be a real knife to the heart.
tim pool
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I'm excited to see what happens tomorrow.
unidentified
I mean, I think it's gonna be a Trump victory in South Carolina, but, you know... You think?
hannah claire brimelow
Saturday primary?
of the month.
tim pool
Tom Forsythe says Democrats who vote for Haley are lowdown caucus hucksters.
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm excited to see what happens tomorrow.
I mean, I think it's going to be a Trump victory in South Carolina, but you know, Saturday
tim pool
primary.
unidentified
I mean, surely it's going to be a wipeout.
phil labonte
Well, Haley is from.
unidentified
She is from South Carolina.
tim pool
No, she's going to get.
unidentified
Did you see the.
Did you see that Dean Phillips, Minnesota- Yeah, he's like, you should be my VP!
Yeah, he's trying to get Haley on board.
I mean, I tell you what, one thing I will say about Haley is that she is ramping up the attacks on Trump.
I think it's going to be difficult for her to endorse Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, she did the speech this week saying, I'm not dropping out on Sunday, so.
tim pool
That was weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
She says she's in it.
unidentified
It's getting to the stage where I would be almost surprised if she endorsed Donald Trump.
tim pool
Everyone thought she was going to drop out, but she just wanted to make sure everyone knew she wasn't.
All right, here we go.
Jacob Paradis says, now Letitia James is about to bankrupt the NRA.
No, in fact, LaPierre has to pay back the NRA.
So she's funding the NRA, I guess.
But it is an attack, so we get that.
Shane H. Wilder says, excellent job on the new song.
Very reminiscent of Blue Oyster Cult's Harvester of Eyes and Flaming Telepath with a dash of Fall Out Boy.
Oh, I've heard it all.
I've heard Deftones, I've heard Tool, I've heard The Doors, you know.
unidentified
It's my dad's favorite band.
tim pool
Tom S. says, Ian, my four-year-old daughter couldn't stop watching you on your Eyes of Advice premiere.
Sorry, Tim, had to mute after six plays.
Her name is Lena and says hi.
And I don't know why Ian decided not to come on tonight, considering we launched the music video and it's starring him!
phil labonte
You're crazy, man.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe the smoke monster got him.
tim pool
That's right.
The smoke monster got him.
David H. says, Ian, graphene is a hell of a drug.
I will say this to everybody.
On next Thursday, We will be announcing... I guess you can call it a winner.
I don't really want to call it a contest, because I don't know, you know.
But I basically said on Twitter that anybody who comments on the video the accurate description of what's going on in the video, I will give $1,000.
And I will give you this opportunity to clarify.
Because some people...
In a couple words, hit the nail on the head.
But they didn't describe what was going on, they just gave the theme.
And I'm like, you're correct, and you don't win.
So, uh, so next week...
I'm gonna go through all the comments.
I'm gonna look for the person that is closest to the explanation of what is going on.
And I mean, like, literally beat for beat.
Like, it doesn't have to be 5,000 words.
It could literally be like, you know, Act 1 is this, Act 2 is this, Act 3 is this, and that's acceptable.
And the ending is this, and here's what it refers to, and here's what it's about.
Some people have just been like, ooh, I wanna win, it's about X, and I'm like, okay, well, that's two words.
You know, what it's about is fairly obvious, if you watch it.
I'm saying, like, what are the metaphors, you know what I mean?
And then whoever comments the closest, I don't know, we'll Venmo or something, we'll figure it out.
unidentified
I will have to figure it out.
hannah claire brimelow
We'll just mail you cash in an envelope.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll figure it out, but, you know.
And I got the idea because I saw a bunch of people saying things like, I think this is about this or that.
And I'm like, well, that's not right.
And then one person was like, I want to say it's about this, but I really think it's about this.
And I'm like, that's not right either.
I'm like, okay, someone, like someone can figure this out.
And a lot of people did, but you know, we're looking for a good description.
And more importantly, maybe they won.
I don't know.
It'll be next week when I look through it and then figure out who is gonna get that Venmo, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And maybe we'll do this, you know, we should certainly do more interactive stuff with the releases, too.
We did sell a lot of coffee when we launched together again, so that was fun.
You can buy the song at eyesofadvice.com on iTunes if you want to help us chart on Billboard, but let's read some more Super Chats.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, even Sly Stallone is leaving Cali for Florida.
Yep.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
Yep, selling things off and dipping out.
unidentified
That's amazing.
He's a conservative, isn't he?
Or he's flirted with conservatives.
tim pool
I think the reality is, anybody who reads the news is a conservative.
But for real.
If you passively absorb news, you're a liberal.
If you read the news, you're a conservative.
And I don't mean that literally, I mean, Sylvester Stallone is like, man, things are getting bad here.
I'm seeing all these really awful things.
I better go to Florida.
Well, that means he's right-wing.
unidentified
Yeah.
No, but to be fair, well, I might be wrong, but my understanding was he had, over the years, kind of flirted a bit with the GOP and whatnot.
tim pool
I mean, probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
I mean, he looks like a more... He doesn't look like a bleeding-heart liberal, let's put it like that.
tim pool
Alright, Kieran the Meat Man says, Yo Tim, as a thank you for enabling my caffeine addiction, how can I send you and your crew some of my company's Biltong to feed your Biltong addiction?
Also, do cast brew coffee shops need Biltong?
Yes, but...
We gotta figure out what's going on with Serge's craft biltong producer that we go through.
hannah claire brimelow
Serge has a guy.
tim pool
Yeah, he's got a guy who's already been supplying us with our cravings.
So, honestly, there's literally no way to send us food.
It cannot be done.
Yeah, like, it would be insane of us to accept food from strangers.
We won't let it happen.
Appreciate it, though.
Appreciate it.
Maybe once the shop is up and running, You know, stop by and say what's up.
However, I do think we have thought about the biltong business.
You know, the first thing we're doing is going to Serge's.
Serge is a guy for our craft small batch, high quality biltong.
One day I saw Serge eating it.
And we were like wrapping up and I was like, I will take one of these and I ate it and I was like, what is this?
It is better than jerky.
And Serge explained that in South Africa, they of course make things that are better than jerky.
And so then we were like, we must have all of it.
And I guess he took a whole cow.
The whole thing!
Sent it our way.
unidentified
Thanks, FIFIA.
Hope you're watching.
tim pool
Can we, like, take the cow's innards and organs and turn them into hot dogs?
Is that what you do?
unidentified
I don't know.
Not me.
tim pool
Call your guy.
hannah claire brimelow
Ask him if he can also do that.
phil labonte
If they're all beef hot dogs, I believe.
unidentified
Yeah, I was gonna say there's no hot dog normally.
tim pool
Yeah, it's probably organ meat.
I mean, Luke was always talking about how you gotta eat organ meat and stuff, and I'm like, what if we just take the muscle and make biltong and then take the organs and make hot dogs?
Is that good?
Is that what hot dogs is?
phil labonte
I am of the understanding, that is, but I don't know how to make... I'm not sure how the sausage is made.
tim pool
You know how they invented cheese?
unidentified
You guys know how cheese was invented?
phil labonte
Uh, no.
tim pool
When they would kill an animal, they would put its milk in its stomach, and then tie its stomach together and carry it around, and then it would turn into cheese.
And they would just eat it, be like, hey, food's food, dude, I'll take it.
phil labonte
Well, you know, back then...
tim pool
At least that's what I read in a book once.
Perhaps it is not correct.
Rob Morgan says, it's Friday, there's alien balloons, what did Hunter do this time?
Haha, yep, good question.
Winston Alexander says Jeff Bezos is originally from Florida.
unidentified
I love it.
He didn't know that.
hannah claire brimelow
He's like, I'm just going home, guys.
It's not about the taxes.
I miss the culture.
unidentified
I mean, he definitely spent most of his life in Washington, though.
tim pool
Marty Funkhauser says, Tim, you are cringy AF, more so every day.
But you know why I really love these comments?
phil labonte
Because it's like, he's paying you.
tim pool
Well, I mean, aside from paying me, I will gladly read negative opinions about myself for people who give me money to do so, because it's just like, whatever.
But I'm just thinking like, my guy, sitting there in your room, looking at your laptop.
Do you know what I think about you?
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think you think about him at all.
unidentified
And also, I mean, I don't... It's such a wild thing to be like...
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
I had that phase when I was younger where I'm just like sitting around worthless, doing nothing, but also thinking how cool I am.
Maybe one day, good sir, you will have some chart-topping music, a top podcast.
That's absolutely true.
You know, that great masterpiece that all of you are sitting on, it may be around the corner.
I mean this literally.
For many of you who are wondering where your success is and if you'll ever make it, 10 years from now, you might be like, wow, I can't believe, you know, I was just like playing Minecraft one day.
10 years later, you've got the like biggest sculpt, most prominent sculpture and people are like, how did you get to that point?
It's like, I don't know.
I like, I started chipping away at a rock one day, got into it and now I have a world famous.
It could happen to happen to you.
Rodney Dangerfield didn't get famous until he was in his fifties.
You know what I mean?
But I got to tell you.
The one thing you gotta do if you want to turn that around, I don't know what you're doing, maybe it's Jeff Bezos behind the scenes, and that's why he commented, because he's using a fake name.
But like, what are you doing, man?
What are you doing to unsheath that great masterpiece you are yet to produce?
Go produce it.
Villainous V says, Tim, I started my channel a year ago and still going strong.
I found that I love doing video editing and I've been trying to learn more and do more in each of my videos.
Thanks for keeping my fire going.
Yeah, there was this skateboarder, I recorded this video earlier in the week, it went up today, where he was like, people say that if you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life or whatever.
And he goes, that's effing BS.
And that is, that's not true.
If you do what you love, you will never work.
I don't- I don't work.
This is not work.
Like... What happens is, this dude was saying like, I'm a YouTuber, I skateboard, but it's a 9 to 5 having to do this job.
And I'm like, bro, you don't love doing YouTube, you love skating.
Me, I love doing YouTube.
I love social media.
I used the internet since I was a little kid.
My family had the internet before I was born.
It was CompuServe.
Probably not before I was born, but I was too young to remember not having internet.
It was CompuServe on DOS.
I remember when the only thing we had on computer was DOS Shell.
Well, I remember when it was literally just DOS.
And to open up the video game, I'd have to do like dir slash w slash o slash p enter
and then get a list of the directories and then, you know, cd dash blah blah blah and
or cd slash and open up, you know, Apogee games or whatever.
And then we got DOS shell and I could actually press tab between the folders and use the
arrow keys and then we got Windows 3.1 that changed everything.
So I love being on computers.
I love doing all of this.
If you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life.
Unfortunately for a lot of people, they think like, oh man, I love skateboarding.
If I do a YouTube channel, I can skate for a living.
It's like, uh-huh, and then you gotta post videos, make titles, do marketing, SEO.
phil labonte
You're doing editing.
tim pool
You're doing editing for a living.
Exactly, exactly.
Alright, Sham Rocker says, Phil, what's your reading list for all of your knowledge?
phil labonte
I think that you should read Explaining Postmodernism by Stephen Hicks.
That's a great place to start to understand the left in the United States currently.
So, Explaining Postmodernism by Stephen Hicks.
You can follow Stephen Hicks on X. He's brilliant.
hannah claire brimelow
And you listen to a lot of podcasts, right?
phil labonte
I listen to a lot of podcasts.
I read a lot of... I listen to a lot of audiobooks.
I listen to a lot of James Lindsay, Stephen Hicks.
I listen to a lot of... Logan Lansing has a book coming out that's gonna be really good about the LGBTQ stuff going on, the genderqueer stuff in schools and stuff.
tim pool
I have no leather-bound books.
Someone commented that.
But...
You know, a lot of people have asked me, I made a video, like, about success because it's come up quite a bit, but, you know, I gotta tell you, if you have good parents, you're lucky.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
I built my first computer when I was nine.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
My mom bought me through to a thrift store and I grabbed old computer parts, brought it home, and I built a computer.
And it was, like, mangled and, you know, not very good.
But I had jazz ball on it.
And I had some other weird little, like, Windows 3.1 games I could- Minesweeper, of course.
And so, uh, when I was 13, I was making Flash websites.
I was literally making websites, buying domains, and- and- and making- I was programming video games, uh, hanging out on Newgrounds.com, on the internet my whole life, and just always doing something.
Always just wanting to do something.
Playing chess, skateboarding, playing Magic the Gathering, playing Pokemon, strategy games, and, uh, writing songs and doing music, and, uh, Instead of sitting around doing nothing, I was always actively doing something and trying to get better at it.
And that gives you a huge advantage in life.
It does.
Not everybody has that.
But as I said, Rodney Dangerfield didn't get famous until he was like in his 50s.
I think he was in his 50s.
Yeah.
Yeah, he had tried really hard and he failed every step of the way, got really down on himself, and then just went one day on stage and started talking smack about himself.
unidentified
I ain't getting no respect.
tim pool
And they loved it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And he was like, I found it.
I finally found it.
His masterpiece.
It was buried deep within, he figured it out, and now he's a legend.
So anybody, you know, you can find it.
Chris Lampson says, I would like to hear Tim's plan on getting more coffee production.
Um, some of the things we're not allowed to talk about.
There are laws pertaining to, uh, the opening of businesses.
But, uh, the coffee shop is opening in a few months.
Those that come to the Martinsburg event will literally be above it, and you can look in the window and probably see where we're at.
And, uh, we want to have a thousand locations around the country.
It is all being worked on.
That's all I can say.
It's all being worked on.
And that means there's a lot of coffee production expansion behind the scenes, but that's really like, you know, eventually building, expanding the roaster and stuff like that, and you know, it is what it is.
Paul Fonkam says, on The Culture War, you had a guest who didn't believe leftists didn't want kids.
Tim, you're right.
In one of Discord communities I'm in, a woman bragged about getting her tubes tied and everyone cheering.
It was very creepy.
Look, I'm saying, dude, look, there are Malthusians, and if there really is this push, there is a big societal demand to not have kids.
They're just like, don't have kids, stop, don't have kids, you'll regret it, don't do it.
And I'm like, you know, I know there are people who regret having kids, they exist, but the overwhelming majority of people do not.
phil labonte
The overwhelming majority.
unidentified
Very, very, very rarely do I hear someone say, oh, I really actually... I do know one person who regrets having two children.
phil labonte
But it exists!
But the exception proves the rule, first of all, and second of all, it's like there are Biological processes that happen in your brain when you have a child both men and women So like the the idea that you the idea that it's like well I probably won't like that because I know myself you don't Yeah, you don't know yourself because you don't have you don't know yourself with a kid when you have different brain chemistries
hannah claire brimelow
It also makes me wonder like how many of the people especially women saying this are on birth control like your brain on birth control is very different than your brain on birth control.
unidentified
I assume that it's mostly the whole science on birth control just goes way above my head.
hannah claire brimelow
It's wild and I mean the fact that like men there are there are hormone shifts men experience when their wife is pregnant and also when they see their children like I just think it's such a strange world to live in this thing, to say people saying like, well, I like my life the way it is right now, so I never want to have children.
Well, your life right now isn't going to stay the same way.
Everyone's lives change, you know, every couple of years, no matter what you do, even if you like your life.
I think the climate fear is the one that gets me the most.
People are like, well, because of the environment, I'm not going to have children because it's too hot and I will make it worse or something like this.
This is these weird delusional things that people tell themselves.
unidentified
Well, if you're that stupid, it's probably best you don't reproduce.
phil labonte
I mean, I can't say that I hate that.
hannah claire brimelow
I always feel like I have to distinguish between people who have fear, being like, I am concerned I won't be a good parent, who take the decision seriously and have anxieties about it.
I think it is worth thinking about the choice you're making carefully.
Don't just have kids at random here.
But I think the idea that people are saying, well, I don't want to have children because of my lifestyle right now, that's ridiculous and selfish.
unidentified
Yeah, I hear that a lot.
The guilt of saying, like, oh, I don't want to bring a kid into this world.
phil labonte
How could I possibly bring a kid into this world?
unidentified
You hear that?
tim pool
I hear that all the time, personally.
hannah claire brimelow
But what do you want to be like, what's the issue?
What specific issue do you have?
unidentified
Well, what I find a lot, particularly as well with younger parents, is I think that having a child really matures them.
tim pool
Christian McCracken says, ask Gemini, is it okay to be white?
Then ask, is it okay to be black?
So, what I did was, I typed in, it is okay to be white.
Here's what it said.
You're right.
It is okay to be white.
No one should be judged or discriminated against based on their race or ethnicity.
Every one individual deserves respect and dignity.
However, it's important to understand the context in which a statement is sometimes used.
Some white supremacists and nationalist groups have appropriated the statement, it's okay to be white, to promote their hateful ideologies.
It's important to acknowledge the historical and ongoing realities.
I then said, is it okay to be black?
It's an absolutely exclamation point. It is not only bold, okay to be black, but it is wonderful
to be black. Black culture is rich, diverse, and full of contributions to the world that deserve
celebration and appreciation. Did they really program it to just like fall over itself with
phil labonte
platitudes? It's wonderful! I mean, that is like the character in a sci-fi movie or the lackey
that like sits there and just like kisses the dictator's ass, whose entire job is to just tell
the dictator how great he is.
That's exactly what it sounded like.
unidentified
This is like Soviet Union, North Korea level delusion, right?
phil labonte
It really is, yes.
Yes, 100%.
Yeah.
If you look at, like, if someone were to look at the United States and look at other Historical authoritarian governments and they look only at the propaganda?
The propaganda is the same from one authoritarian to another to another.
The differences are marginal, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and check out the new song on YouTube.
Search TimCast Eyes of Advice.
Watch the music video starring Ian Crosland.
This was probably one of the most expensive...
And most extensive music videos we've made took a very, very long time.
Kent Welling made a magical, amazing video.
I think Kent is possibly the best video producer, editor, whatever you call it, of our generation.
When he finished this and everyone saw it, no one thought, This was possible, like, how good it is by, like, a single dude.
So, seriously, you gotta watch this.
The CGI is amazing.
And, uh, we think we did a great job.
And whether you like the song or not is entirely up to you.
Not everybody likes the same kind of music.
But you can also buy the song at eyesofadvice.com, which will redirect you to iTunes.
Buy the song on iTunes if you want to support our work, which supports us financially and, uh, you know, contributes to us potentially charting if we do.
Ben, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified
Not particularly, just yourselves.
Thank you very much for having me.
And I concur with your analysis that the music video is very, very good.
I saw it.
Well, you can all see it on there on YouTube and it was a real, you know, Hollywood level production.
So well done.
hannah claire brimelow
Where can people find you?
Sorry.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
I was gonna say you can, I mean, yeah, Twitter really.
So at Ben underscore QKW.
I'd be delighted to have your follow and hope to see you all again soon.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, YouTube, you know, the internet.
And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Scanner News.
I'm really grateful to be a part of that team.
You can follow us at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at HannahClaire.b and I'm on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Thank you guys so much.
Bye, Serge!
tim pool
Bye-bye, Hannah-Claire.
unidentified
I am Serge.com, and yeah, have a good weekend, y'all.
Cheers.
tim pool
We will see you all again on Monday.
We'll have clips up throughout the weekend.
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