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US Starts MASSIVE BOMBING Campaign On Iranian Targets, WW3 LETS GO w/Charlie Spiering | Timcast IRL
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The US.
tim pool
has begun a massive bombing campaign on Iranian Revolutionary Guard targets in Syria and Iraq.
Basically, ladies and gentlemen, the U.S.
has just begun a very long protracted war in the Middle East.
Surprise, surprise.
Where have we heard this one before?
I'm not surprised it's happening, but the question is, how will it escalate?
I believe that the news we're seeing here is basically, it's a unilateral declaration of war by Joe Biden.
We are now attacking Iran.
The questions are, why is Iranian Revolutionary Guard operating in Syria and Iraq, and when did we declare war on Syria, and why are we there anyway?
I think the Uniparty, the establishment, realized, you know, the problem isn't that we unilaterally declare war and everyone complains about it.
They're complaining about it because we told them we did!
So now they're just, just go do it.
Ignore it and don't talk about it.
But now of course there are a bunch of media outlets and a bunch of politicians in various countries once again saying, World War 3!
They've been saying World War 3 for like a year now, so I don't know, I guess.
Are we in it?
But basically you got the UK saying, gear up and get ready.
Several other countries have been mentioned in the past week have been contemplating or advocating for a military draft.
And many news outlets are saying this action by the United States could be that escalation.
Then, of course, we have the prospect of civil war here on the border, as a new bill through Congress would authorize the National Guard to use lethal force against illegal immigrants in certain contexts.
Now, the easy context, of course, is if they're facing something life-threatening, but it also says, and for other reasons.
Should be interesting.
Basically, it looks like they are advancing the position where we may actually see combat on the border or some kind of force.
And the funny thing about that is Ian is the one who's talked about his fear that it comes to that point.
And I'm like, well, you know, that builds in Congress.
Maybe it doesn't make it.
Maybe it does.
We'll see.
And FBI is warning that China will be attacking U.S.
domestic infrastructure.
So perhaps there's just a whole lot of World War III going on.
We'll talk about that and then actually in some really big and very good cultural news, Joe Rogan, according to the Wall Street Journal, has secured a $250 million multi-platform deal with Spotify.
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Spotify believes Rogan and whatever controversies may arise in the press from his guests is
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They don't think they're going to lose money on this deal and it's good for everybody else.
Because if Joe Rogan leads the way, Spotify is basically saying, we're going to put $250
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Basically it's paving the way for everybody else who produces content.
It is much more likely that comedy and, you know, offensive kind of content will not be taken down moving forward because these platforms are banking on it.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Charlie Spearing.
unidentified
Who are you?
Hi, I'm Charlie Spearing.
I'm an author of a new book called Amateur Hour, Kamala Harris and the White House.
tim pool
Right on.
So you basically, was it, were you facepalming every time you had to write something?
You're like, wow, I can't believe it.
unidentified
Yeah, it was really fun to research.
tim pool
What's the general premise of the book?
unidentified
The general premise of the book is she's struggling, clearly, in the first three years of her vice presidency.
She clearly wasn't ready to run herself.
That's why Biden's running again.
And if Biden runs and wins, we're in a very real possibility of the 47th president becoming Kamala Harris.
tim pool
I don't think Joe Biden can win.
But I also have no idea what's in store for us this year.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean either.
If Joe Biden doesn't make it, if he can't make it to election day, I think the Democrat Party, that's their worst fear.
Because that's when everybody with the money is losing their mind.
As bad as Biden is.
tim pool
They're like, Kamala's worse?
That's kind of funny.
All right, man.
Well, it should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Hannah-Claire Brimelow as well.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
I'm glad that you're here because I feel like I give Kamala a hard time always.
She's so easy to pick on, but she's not great.
So I'm glad you guys are joining us tonight.
Shane's here.
shane cashman
What's up?
I'm back.
It's good to be back.
Sounds like Charlie wrote a horror novel.
And I'm scared.
tim pool
You're like reading through it.
Is this fiction?
shane cashman
Yeah, it's terrifying stuff, but it's great to be back.
Oh, a shout to the Discord.
I keep seeing stuff coming out of the Discord.
It's amazing what you all are doing out there.
And it's good to see you, Serge.
serge du preez
Oh, yeah.
Hasting the Discord stuff, man.
shane cashman
Serge has been inundating my phone today with stuff that he gets from Discord, and we were laughing for the last hour.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's great.
unidentified
Thank you for that.
serge du preez
No after show today, but yeah, Discord rules.
I like being on there every once in a while.
Iamserge.com.
Let's get into it, Tim.
tim pool
Here's the big story today, and of course they did it on a Friday.
U.S.
drops 125 bombs on 85 targets linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guard in devastating airstrikes on Iraq and Syria.
Biden warns retaliation for drone attack that killed three soldiers will continue after long-range bombers and drones hit Middle East.
Unilateral declaration of war, or is it just, we are in such a perpetual state of war, they don't care, they're just going to keep ramping things up, and we're going to spiral out of control and implode, or what?
shane cashman
They're used to being a wasteland of our bomb shrapnel.
It doesn't seem like, it could escalate into a regional war, but they telegraphed it to everyone that we'd be bombing them, so then everyone that might have been responsible for the drone attack is gone, and we're taking out what could be the places where the drones were, but we'll see, I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just interesting to me because I was on the phone today with a friend who's in Special Forces for the Navy, and he was talking about whatever's going on in his life.
And then he was saying, Oh, yeah, I'm supposed to deploy this fall.
And I was like, Oh, where do you think you're going?
He's like, Oh, we're getting back in the Middle East.
But he says it the whole thing.
He didn't say something specific, which makes me think that like everyone is preparing for intense escalation.
tim pool
Wasn't there something about the Roman Empire bringing in foreigners to fight in wars?
shane cashman
It's part of the story, I believe.
tim pool
Is it part of the story?
Does anybody know enough about the Roman Empire?
hannah claire brimelow
Come on, man, I thought this was all you think about.
unidentified
We're supposed to think about it every single day, yeah.
tim pool
But seeing this, you know, it's perpetual war.
The fact that Congress does not approve of these things anymore, we've been at war in the Middle East for decades or longer, actually, and we're in Syria?
unidentified
Iraq and Syria.
tim pool
I mean, Iraq, I know.
Right.
And Syria, when?
I mean, of course it happened with- We never left.
Well, with Obama, we go in.
But my question is, when the Iraq War started, there's protests everywhere.
When Barack Obama decides to invade Syria, ain't nobody says anything.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Nothing.
Donald Trump comes in, tries to get the troops out.
They lie to him to keep the troops in.
Right.
It's crazy there at this point.
And so, now, with the bombing campaign in Iraq and Syria, we basically got a unilateral declaration of war on Syria.
We're attacking Iranian linked targets, whatever that means.
It's just, there's not going to be any formal declaration of a World War III or expansion of war.
We're just slowly walking our way into further and further escalation.
On top of that, everyone has been sharing this video from December 4th of C-SPAN of Senator Dick Durbin saying, we should make illegal immigrants soldiers.
We should bring them in.
I mean, this is C-SPAN right here.
Dick Durbin wants to make it possible for illegal immigrants to join the U.S.
And I've been getting a bunch of people messaging me being like, that's exactly how the Roman Empire collapsed.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah I mean I remember we did IRL the day he did this and Kingsley Cortez was here and we had the same reaction which was that you can't have a bunch of people who don't have a tie to this country come in and fight for you because ultimately their loyalty is to the federal government.
It's not to the culture or the people or the states and that is dangerous for the population that potentially could resist the federal government.
It's such a ridiculous suggestion but it's obviously been on the minds of Senators in this country for a long time.
Again, to me that speaks that they are not ultimately loyal to the people that they serve.
They're loyal to power and controlling the masses.
unidentified
Yeah, it's kind of like the new form of DACA, right?
This is the way we get more migrants into our country.
We let them serve in our military, and then we give them citizenship, say, well done.
Now you can go to college on the GI Bill, and then you'll be sufficiently roped in and hopefully support Democrats.
shane cashman
So do we see this administration going around and rounding up the illegals and giving them guns and sending them away?
And if they refuse, that administration deports them?
How does it look?
hannah claire brimelow
I just don't think they get organized fast enough, right?
Like, the reality is that he's going into somewhat of a lame duck period.
I mean, we've got to November, we expect a wave of executive actions or orders at the end of the year.
But like, I just don't know.
The thing is, like, one of the reasons that we can't find, we don't know the true number of how many illegal aliens are here.
Is because they aren't registered, so how would the government, you know, round up enough of them?
They'd have to put out a call, and most immigrant groups, like all of the NGOs or non-profits that support illegal aliens in this country, they always say, like, if police come to your door, don't answer, you know, resist that.
So actually there's now a problem, like, you can't get them to come out.
tim pool
And the propaganda's crazy.
There's this viral meme, I guess, going around, it's statistics on crime.
And it's like some guy being like, just gonna drop this here, and it says, native-born Americans, crime is really high, undocumented immigrants is low, and then immigrants is super low.
And I'm just like, my guy.
The crime rate for illegal immigrants is at least 1 to 1.
Like, quite literally, it's impossible to claim native-born citizens commit more crime as opposed to quote-unquote undocumented immigrants because they started off by committing a crime.
Which means literally every single one of them has committed a crime, not every single native-born citizen has committed a crime.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, they're at 100% right off the bat.
unidentified
That crime doesn't matter though.
That's not a real crime.
That's just civil disobedience.
tim pool
And they exclude it when it's literally a crime.
To illegally enter the country.
unidentified
Well, we exclude all kinds of crime.
As long as you take down the right statues, or as long as you storm the right office, or desecrate the right government building.
If you're doing the thing we want you to be doing, then we're okay with it.
tim pool
I love the meme that someone made recently where it's the guy on January 6th with his feet on the table.
And it's not even a funny meme.
It's just like, six years in prison, and then it's the photo of the guy having gay sex in the Senate building, and it's like, no charges, no evidence.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy!
And they expect everyone to just go along with it.
tim pool
They said there's no evidence of a crime.
hannah claire brimelow
There's no evidence of a crime!
The only reason we know it happened is because there's a video that went viral.
What are you talking about?
unidentified
But what if they actually did bring charges against the people involved and it actually went to court in Washington, D.C.?
Would they be convicted?
Because you know how cops work, they only charge when they feel like they can get a conviction, right?
tim pool
Like there's a there's a video out of Boston of a bunch of cops standing outside of the community center in the black neighborhood where they were housing all the criminal aliens and there's a black dude screaming like I can barely afford to live.
I work 40 hours a week and I can't even go to my community center anymore and the cops are like GTFO.
And I just, it's just, I love it, man.
I tweet, F these cops.
Scumbags.
And I get these conservative blue line people being like, Tim, it's not the police officer's fault.
It's not their fault.
I'm like, dude, it's nobody's fault but the person who committed the crime.
Okay?
Like, some guy you've never heard of in an office somewhere you've never been to is the real criminal.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
tim pool
I'm watching a guy work, like, work with criminal aliens right here.
Like, just how wild would it be if somebody is, like, in the middle of beating a child, and you're like, well, hold on.
Hold on.
Who told him to do it?
I'm like, I don't care, dude.
Stop the person.
These cops are committing crimes.
No, but they were told it's not legal, dude.
And that's where we're currently at, where I just see everything, man.
I think we got cultural victories and all that stuff, but man, it does feel like things are falling apart.
Because you got every man for himself mentality.
shane cashman
It's like watching the cops not do anything for the riots, like in the city, just standing by.
Meanwhile, when they were told to go arrest people trying to have a prayer service in a park in the city, you know, they would do that.
Or, yeah, arresting people wearing the mask or not wearing a mask.
hannah claire brimelow
It's less likely that people praying are going to resist.
I mean, they're expecting certain people to comply.
And I find that that's sort of an insult.
I mean, we talked about it a couple days ago on the show, but older generations are more likely to trust media.
They're more likely to trust the federal government.
And so in some respects, like the the thing that makes them vulnerable to being arrested by police is the fact that they They want to comply with the system.
They want to be supportive.
Whereas the police are like, well, that seems so crazy over there.
I'm not sure what we can do.
So we just won't.
Like, that seems like an insult to people who are ultimately trying to live by the rules of law and order.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
So the authorities just go after the people who are easy targets.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Because they're afraid of the riots.
And they're afraid of the public image.
unidentified
Can we just, like, I know- Well, probably the bureaucracy within the department, that's usually what kills any sort of impetus to do something virtuous, is I will lose my job, and my wife and kids are gonna suffer, and I'm gonna lose my pension, and so I'm not gonna do that.
shane cashman
You should quit then.
unidentified
You know, part of me is glad- We haven't seen a lot of that, have we?
Like, cops being like, I'm done.
And I think, yeah, they're victims of these pensions.
tim pool
We've seen a lot of it, actually.
shane cashman
In New York, yeah.
tim pool
Massive.
All over the place.
I think, you know, at one point a few years ago, during the Defund the Police movement, we were looking at more than half Of like departments had seen, you know, resignations.
unidentified
Resignations, sick outs.
tim pool
Yeah, a lot of cops were just like, I won't do this anymore.
There's even a viral video where a cop in Seattle is like stopping at a light and all the activists are screaming and laughing at him.
And he yells, you won!
You won!
You win!
I'm out!
I quit!
Yeah, and then everyone, they're all laughing, they're like, we got him.
I'm just like, what I was going to say is I'm glad those, the police are refusing to charge the guys who had the gay sex in the Senate building, because I just want everybody listening to bring that conversation up to your liberal friends and family members.
Just bring it right up.
And when, and just like, I'm sorry, like when they're like, well, you know, then I'll be like, dude, come on.
There's a video, a viral video, literally, of a Democrat senator staff member getting banged.
In the Senate building, and they won't criminally charge him.
You wanna come to me?
You wanna come to me and tell me that the machine's not biased?
Come on!
shane cashman
Have we seen any people defend that?
No, they're hiding from it.
hannah claire brimelow
And he put out a statement being like, I'm being persecuted because of who I love.
unidentified
And so immediately... They superimposed me, man.
tim pool
That's why we can't let it go.
That's why, because if you notice, all of the prominent leftists will not bring it up.
So everybody should just keep talking about it.
hannah claire brimelow
And it took, like, 36 hours for it to puncture through mainstream.
I think Fox was one of the first people to report on it, but again, it wasn't that much.
I mean, the story is crazy.
Typically, what they say is sex sells, and in this case, it's like, no one can talk about it.
tim pool
That's the wrong kind.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, not this one.
We don't like this one.
shane cashman
We did the Culture War episode maybe the day or two after that happened, and we, on the show, looked it up in the news, and there were no reports on it at all.
hannah claire brimelow
Because it broke on a Friday, I'm pretty sure, and, like, by Saturday was when I was starting to get news alerts about it.
But, like, of course I had our, like, it is one of those things that reminds you that Twitter is a very different space than the rest of the nation.
unidentified
Yeah, who broke that story?
Yeah.
tim pool
Was it the Daily Caller?
hannah claire brimelow
Daily Caller did, yeah.
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They've been getting a lot of stuff.
unidentified
Props to them.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
We got this from the Daily Mail.
National Guard would be able to use force against armed migrants entering the U.S.
under new bill from Navy SEAL veteran Republican Congressman.
They're going to mention that House Republicans are pushing a bill that would authorize the National Guard to use lethal force against individuals with weapons crossing from Mexico into the United States.
They do keep saying that, but they also mention the bill actually says, and for other issues or whatever.
They say, in the last year there have been multiple instances of migrants crossing into the U.S.
carrying weapons, with some brandishing rifles like an AR-15.
As the Biden administration and Texas Governor Greg Abbott clash over border security policies, the bill, Luttrell claims, will enable the National Guard to better protect the U.S.
by using any means necessary to stop armed migrants.
Lookit, they got photos of these dudes.
That's kinda wild.
hannah claire brimelow
I just can't believe that we have to pass this law.
What have we been doing this whole time?
shane cashman
It's legit an invasion.
hannah claire brimelow
They're coming armed.
shane cashman
Why are we not just, the headlines should just say invasion at the border.
Well, of course they won't.
Who wrote this?
tim pool
Here you go.
They call him the People Smuggler.
Oh, that sounds like a supervillain name.
The People Smuggler was filmed by Texas Department of Safety drone on Wednesday near Eagle Pass.
This is Wednesday.
Take this photo, post it on Twitter, and say, invasion.
Okay?
Spare me.
These dudes are coming with rifles, and our guys aren't even allowed to defend this country from armed people?
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
Again, why does this have to be a law?
I just don't get this.
I mean, I'm glad it is, if no one has thought that this is something that's necessary.
Why do we have a border if we're not trying to stop people who are entering armed, who are trying to enter illegally while armed?
Again, what are we doing here, team?
unidentified
What are we doing?
Why are these governors sending the National Guard down there if they aren't?
I didn't know they're not allowed to use their weapons against armed people.
hannah claire brimelow
They're just supposed to put out their arms and be like, go back.
unidentified
Listen to me, Joe.
shane cashman
Hold hands and sing a song.
unidentified
I'm so glad that Ron DeSantis and all these governors are sending more and more National Guard troops because all they can do is just build fences and say, please, Right, they're gonna link arms and just be like, you cannot cross.
They're not allowed to- You shall not pass.
hannah claire brimelow
They're not allowed to retaliate.
shane cashman
Having been to the border in Yuma and seeing how they treat people coming across the border with like luggage tags and van rides and plane tickets and stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they come with a gun and be like, do you need more ammo?
hannah claire brimelow
Like, where you- Is everything okay?
shane cashman
Yeah, do you need a case for that rifle?
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Totally crazy.
unidentified
Hey, where'd you get that?
Did you- Did that come from here?
Or did you?
hannah claire brimelow
It is interesting to me.
So there's this bill and then there was another one that the House passed yesterday saying,
I have to remember, I should give this guy credit, but I can't remember his name.
Basically it's Barry Moore from Alabama, I think he proposed this bill that if you, if
there's an illegal immigrant who's in the country and gets convicted of or admits to
driving while intoxicated, then that's ground that makes them inadmissible.
So they couldn't get like a green card, they couldn't get any status.
And also it's grounds for deportation, which when I read it, it was sort of like, yes,
of course.
Because you're here illegally in the first place, already committing a crime, and then you commit another crime.
Seems like you should definitely go, but the fact that we have to spell this out tells you- Well, it's clever politics.
unidentified
It's like, let's just pick one crime that everybody can sort of gather round.
hannah claire brimelow
It also seems reasonable.
Like, someone who commits a crime while in the process of committing another crime being here illegally, probably I don't want them to be a citizen.
Probably they are not here with good intentions.
Yes?
It seems basic and obvious, but at the same time, 150 Democrats in the House voted against it, right?
Like, it is weird that we have to say this is a bad idea.
And in fact, there were congressmen from every border state, you know, California, New Mexico, Arizona, who are Democrats, who voted for this.
So it makes me wonder, like, are you seeing this in your community, where there are people who are here illegally and are proceeding to, you know, potentially be hazards to You know, the illegal population, but also the legal residents in your communities.
It's very weird.
shane cashman
I feel like, at a certain point, they just can't deny it.
And their constituents are like, our homes are ruined.
This place is ruined.
People are leaving.
The economy in this town or city is dying.
Like we see with Eric Adams, when he spoke out.
But then once he spoke out, they tried to MeToo him, like a week or two later.
unidentified
Oh yeah, that kind of disappeared for a while, didn't it?
tim pool
He was getting raided by the feds, wasn't he?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he was.
unidentified
Jeez, man.
tim pool
This is the 11th hour, dude.
We got, like, can we pull up his picture again?
My friends.
That's not the only one.
hannah claire brimelow
He's hanging out in the trees over here.
tim pool
Bro, this is an invasion.
Straight up.
This guy's got a gun.
And apparently it's an issue.
They're like, maybe we should give the National Guard the ability to, like, I don't know, fight back when they're being shot at or something.
hannah claire brimelow
That's him.
He's a poor asylum seeker.
He's just trying to, you know, come for opportunity.
unidentified
Hands up, don't shoot.
shane cashman
It's xenophobic to question.
tim pool
Armed asylum seekers.
I'm actually totally down for saying asylum seekers.
unidentified
They're ready to go to war, Tim, just like you've been saying.
hannah claire brimelow
He's like Dick Durbin, I'm coming, I'm ready to fight.
unidentified
I'm here to sign up and fight for Uncle Sam.
tim pool
They're like, this guy's got experience.
No, the left likes to call them all asylum seekers, even when they're criminal aliens or smugglers or whatever.
And so then you get the right saying illegal immigrant.
And I'm telling people like criminal alien is the legal term for this.
I'm going back to Asylum Seekers because I'm going to say armed Asylum Seekers.
unidentified
Mostly peaceful.
tim pool
Mostly peaceful.
But armed.
hannah claire brimelow
Possibly peaceful.
Look, he loves the Second Amendment.
Of course he's an American.
tim pool
Hopefully peaceful.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just wild.
And this is, I mean, I wish I had listened to a Corinne Jean-Pierre Whitehouse briefing today.
I'm sure if she saw this and was asked about it, she'd be like, everything at the border is fine.
Don't question this at all.
Like, at what point This is for the hardcore progressive Democrats, I don't know that anything on this level will convince them, but people who are sort of non-political, moderate, maybe lean a little socially left, when you see these pictures, at what point are you just like, yes, this is incorrect?
tim pool
No, no, no.
If you take a closer look and you zoom in, you can actually see there's something on the back, right?
He's holding a small anvil.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
He's trying to set up a smithing shop.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
Stop assuming these are criminals.
unidentified
Oh, I don't know.
It almost looks like a bump stock to me.
hannah claire brimelow
The thing is, Wile E. Coyote use anvils all the time for bad things.
And so I just, that's how it counts as a weapon to me too.
shane cashman
Hannah, to your point, it's like those people, those very same people you're talking about looking at this and thinking that they might come to terms with it, the reality of it, they're the ones who looked at the riots and thought they were just.
hannah claire brimelow
See, I think that shifted.
I think there's been sort of a bleeding effect away because some of these things are so concrete.
And that's why I think a lot of progressive outlets, a lot of progressive activists harp on January 6th so much because it's a way to sort of quell the fear.
Like, you can't question anything that's going on because ultimately, look at this very bad thing, theoretically, that happened this one time, whereas this is an active invasion that's going on constantly and, in fact, has been going on for three years.
The official number is something like, we think 6 million illegal criminal aliens are here.
But when Rhonda Santas was doing his press conference when he was saying, I'm going to send people to the border, he was like, what's the number?
Like 10 million?
No one knows how many of these people are here.
shane cashman
There's no way of knowing.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you see Theo Vaughn's tweet?
I think it was last weekend.
He tweeted, let's get a head count on who's in this MF.
I'm not doing it justice.
shane cashman
He had another recent one too.
He's had a bunch of good ones.
hannah claire brimelow
He's so funny.
shane cashman
I'm surprised.
unidentified
Until we can figure out what's going on.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Charlie, as the resident Kamala expert, what's her take on the border?
unidentified
Wasn't she supposed to be in charge of the border?
Go back to, I think it was in June 21 when she went to Guatemala and she held that press conference and she Yeah.
That's right.
That's right.
But why would they not listen to Kamala?
Remember Angered AOC and a lot of other progressives?
Well, I guess they're not listening to Kamala.
hannah claire brimelow
But why would they not listen to Kamala?
I've heard that she's very influential.
unidentified
She's historic.
I don't know why they didn't get the memo.
hannah claire brimelow
Why did they make her Borders Are?
Does your book know?
unidentified
Yeah, this was kind of Biden's first attempt to be like, all right, Kamala, you're my buddy vice president.
You're going to take one for the team.
Here's what we do.
I'm putting you in.
hannah claire brimelow
So I always wondered if that was him sort of being like, I'm going to give you a bad job because I don't really like you.
I don't want you to be more successful than I am.
unidentified
And he knew exactly what he was doing because Obama did the same thing to him.
shane cashman
Charlie, I gotta stop you there.
When has anyone ever said that Biden knows exactly what he's doing?
unidentified
Maybe in the first few months of his first term.
hannah claire brimelow
As what, vice president?
unidentified
As president.
Well, at least his team knew, right?
Because he's had the same team for decades.
shane cashman
We've heard stories.
hannah claire brimelow
We got them from Obama, I heard.
unidentified
No, they're his guys.
hannah claire brimelow
Really?
unidentified
Team Biden is very strong and very powerful and they are not beholden to anybody else but their own interests.
They aren't even beholden to the Biden family at this point.
It's just them.
hannah claire brimelow
So why did they want, if he was immediately going to stick her with a terrible job trying to rein in the border, not really though if you're a Democrat, why did he select her as VP?
Like, if there's always been a little bit of tension there, was it just that she would bring him the demographics he wanted?
unidentified
Yeah, as I outlined in the book, it was a very political decision.
He actually preferred Gretchen Whitmer because, you know, she's Midwestern, swing state, she campaigned on the idea of fixing the damn roads, you know.
shane cashman
Feds love her.
unidentified
He liked that.
He liked her style of politics and thought she was a real winner.
She actually tried to drop out of the running because You know, the whole process was sort of overrun by the George Floyd riots.
It's like, got very volatile.
And that's when everyone sort of started dropping out.
You had Amy Klobuchar just be like, Oh, I gotta go.
Former prosecutor, right?
In Minnesota.
So I was like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not doing this.
So you saw more and more candidates drop out.
And so he ended up, but he had to pick up, you know, he had vowed to pick a woman vice president.
And then ultimately it was clear by, you know, senior advisors, that he had to pick a woman of color during this time of racial tension.
And he was not doing so good on racial issues.
He was going around saying, you know, poor kids are just as smart as white kids, and you're not black if you vote for Trump.
And so, yeah, he really had to show that part of his base that he was serious about hearing them and getting a woman of color on the ticket.
tim pool
You know what I was thinking?
It's really funny how the left says these Christians are all super hateful and all that.
And I'm thinking this because I'm like, you know I blame for all of the stuff happening right now, like where we are in my generation?
I blame Christian conservatives.
And it's because they're too good of people and they were very tolerant and accepting to so many really bad people that they kept acting in good faith and allowed these far leftists and communists to infiltrate institutions.
So I mean that somewhat, I'm half joking.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But, you know, 30, 40 years ago, or 50, 60 years ago, when you have a very Christian conservative nation, Evil steps in, lies, and being good people.
They're like, well, you know, I think we should give these people a fair chance and now you've got communists running over everything.
And even to this day, the Republican Party is still impotent and won't address these things.
I mean, Donald Trump gets sued.
Criminally charged, abused mercilessly in these jurisdictions, not a single Republican jurisdiction is countering.
I mean, maybe there's one or two small ones here or there, but where's West Virginia or Texas?
Ken Paxton should file criminal charges against Joe Biden for facilitating human smuggling.
Why not?
I mean, the charges against Trump are ludicrous.
He did not lead an insurrection.
Okay, Ken Paxton, file charges against Joe Biden right now for leading an insurrection at our southern border.
Use that photo and let them argue he's immune.
Whatever.
He will have to answer to the Texas legal system, but you know what?
As much as Texas is standing your ground and all that stuff, I know the judges, they're gonna go, oh, geez, oh, well, you know, we can't do that.
I'm like, dude, are you watching what they're doing in New York?
We are better men.
Okay, well, then Trump goes to prison.
Have a nice day.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it does seem like they need to become more of an offense.
Right now it does feel like a lot of states are just on defense, are kind of waiting to respond to what more progressive activists are doing.
But I don't, I'm not enough of a legal expert to know what what steps should be taken.
I think it would just be good for conservative voters to see action taken.
tim pool
So I tweeted that E. Jean Carroll was a deranged I'll just say person.
unidentified
It was a bit more aggressive than that.
tim pool
And I got all these leftists.
This one went viral and it was like, hey, I'm Tim Pool.
I'm going to defame a woman who just won a massive defamation lawsuit.
And I'm just like, for one, I did not defame her.
I insulted her.
There's a difference.
Two, this is not how the law works.
You people are morons.
However, fair point.
People like this are in law in New York and they're like, we'll do it anyway.
And so when the question comes up as to what are the legal requirements for Ken Paxton in Texas to actually bring about some kind of charges or to, I don't know if he would be the actual guy to bring the charges or how he could pursue this.
It doesn't even matter!
You look at what's going on in New York, and it's all fake, and we all know it.
Come on.
Single Republican in any jurisdiction?
Ugh, do I have to run for office?
I swear, I swear.
I might have to.
hannah claire brimelow
If you guys make Tim run for office, he'll be real mad.
tim pool
I'm gonna be really mad.
But I'll run for some office where I'm like, I don't care what it is.
I will take a sheriff's office and I will immediately be like, I am going to go and start arresting people who are breaking the law.
Like that's it.
Like in West Virginia, they should have a criminal investigation right now into the Customs and Border Protection Facility.
It's a massive facility on 340 in West Virginia.
There should be state law enforcement raiding that building with a warrant from a judge because we want to know what's going on with their internal communications as per the human smuggling they're involved in.
Ain't nobody got the balls to actually do anything though.
shane cashman
Do you think it's because they're spineless or they're like stalled by their fear of these institutions?
hannah claire brimelow
I was wondering if it's similar to the fear.
When the federal government investigates itself, it's always like, we've done nothing wrong, everything's good, right?
Of course.
With the DoD probe into Lloyd Austin's hospitalization and the fact that he didn't tell anybody and no one knew.
When he did his press conference, he said, there is an internal investigation.
Congress has done some stuff, but ultimately, if you're investigating yourself, you're going to say it's okay.
The Customs and Border Patrol.
It would be, I assume, West Virginia that needs to come in and say, we're investigating what's going on here.
But I've heard so often from law enforcement, oh, well, you know, fed Trump's state, the feds are allowed to do whatever.
And I want to know, is that actually true?
Or is this just the attitude that has become that you think that the federal government has?
Because Texas has proven that wrong right now.
Texas said our right to self-defense is the supreme law of the land.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story here from the Postmillennial.
Big fans.
New York City to pay out $53 million on prepaid debit cards to illegal immigrants in pilot program.
Oh, so when Eric Adams comes out and says, this will destroy us, he gets accused of crimes and he gets raided.
The next thing you know, he's like, I am going to give $53 million to illegal immigrants.
I am totally for this.
shane cashman
It's coming out of my bank account too.
hannah claire brimelow
He's like blinking out in Morse code like I don't want to.
shane cashman
Rescue me.
hannah claire brimelow
Not bad.
I think it'd be funnier if they spent 53 million dollars to just ship them to Eagle Pass, at which point they're escorted back across the border.
tim pool
I genuinely think the Democrat strategy is we have to destroy this country to the greatest degree imaginable before Trump wins.
Because the only response we have, or I should say not the only, but the functional response, the best course of action is Trump wins.
So I think You know, there's a... I just love all of the articles that are popping up about Taylor Swift.
I'm not gonna get into the whole thing about Taylor Swift.
My point is this.
Have any of the people who've pushed that story stopped to ask themselves why it is the corporate press is running full speed ahead, pumping out dozens of stories about the right attacking Taylor Swift?
They want you to!
They want you to do this, okay?
Don't.
Why is it?
We look at this.
I think their attitude is like, they're desperately praying some right-wing or MAGA guy acts a fool.
They want some right-wing guy to act out of line so they can use that.
And so they're gonna press and turn the heat up in the pressure cooker as much as possible.
$53 million of your money going to illegal immigrants, the border crisis.
Like, the CBP cutting border barrier razor wire?
Like, why are they doing this?
Obviously they want to destroy the country, but I think they're trying to force or actually create the circumstances where they can at least claim the right to engage in some kind of violence.
shane cashman
I think we're seeing this sustained absurdity, and they're becoming very desperate.
And this is about to be dark, so if you have little ones listening, it's dark.
But this is how I've been thinking about the government lately in terms of their desperation.
I think of Ted Bundy and how Ted Bundy operated secretly for years, doing horrible things.
And his last act of desperation when they were onto him went on a horrible murder spree.
And it seems like with this kind of sustained absurdity and violence and the war on every front possible, it seems like, you know, I think of the government like Ted Bundy in that last desperate act.
tim pool
It may be like, for him, he said, oh no, they're gonna catch me, I better get as much as I can in.
For the Democrats and the Uniparty, I think they're thinking, Trump is going to reverse whatever it is we do.
So imagine it this way.
Let's say there's a scale of 0 to 100.
And they're like, if we're at 50, Trump is gonna pull us back to 20.
We need to push things to 100 so Trump can only go back to 70.
So it's like, They know that Trump's going to deport a million migrants.
shane cashman
That's how the left works, destroy everything.
tim pool
Trump's going to deport a million migrants.
Let's bring in 10 million so he can only deport one out of the nine we got in.
shane cashman
It's a big ask in terms of policies.
hannah claire brimelow
And it has two effects.
Number one, they can run screaming with all these headlines being like, how could he do this?
He's deporting poor asylum seekers and et cetera, et cetera.
And also they can then say, and he didn't even do that good of a job.
There are so many more people here.
He didn't come through with his promises.
Like they're trying to set him up to fail on two fronts.
shane cashman
It's the inverse of what Biden did with the economy coming back after Trump locking it down.
So they keep claiming all these jobs came back, but they came back because we took them away, right?
And then they spin as a positive for Biden.
So it'd be the inverse of that for Trump when they make it, they wrecked this country so much.
And it's like almost impossible to bring it back to the way it was.
unidentified
I think we're missing the bigger point is like, We're now trying to set up Joe Biden as a wartime president, you know, single-handedly pressing the buttons of hundreds of missiles into the Middle East.
Meanwhile, he's back in bed in Delaware, I think, right now, right?
He spends most weekends in Delaware.
They released, like, a three-paragraph statement.
Typically, the president's supposed to get up there and give a speech to explain to the American people.
tim pool
I don't think they're trying to make him a wartime president because, like you said, he should be up there standing giving speeches and he's not.
I think it's part of the big, we'll call it the big act, not the big ask, where they're saying, if Trump gets elected, he's pulling our troops out of all these places.
Let's scattershot the Middle East, forcing military action on the United States that Trump could never even pull back from.
So, bring in 10x illegal immigrants, so Trump can only deport half of them.
Go to war as much as possible in the Middle East, so that Trump will struggle to get our troops out.
hannah claire brimelow
They're just trying to create the biggest mess for Trump to clean up, so it looks like he's not succeeding.
tim pool
No, no, they're trying to get 8 years of the presidency in 4 years.
So that when Trump goes in, and actually I say 12 years, because Trump's gonna reverse 4 years of their actions.
They want 8.
They want 2020 to 2028, everything they want.
Illegal immigration, war, conflict, crisis.
If Trump is minus 4 years, they need to do 12.
12 years of this policy happening in 4 years.
And that makes sense if you think about it.
10 million illegal immigrants in the span of a couple years?
Right, if they had the If they had the White House up until 2028, they can be like, well, we can sustain it slowly.
But they genuinely think Trump's going to win.
Most people think Trump's going to win.
So they're like, we have to triple our efforts so that Trump can only pull back a little bit.
But that allows them to accomplish their goals from now until 2028.
shane cashman
I've been calling these things in the media like invisible landmines, where there's something that, you know, all the migrants are criminals, fugitives, the invasion is happening, and then they're filling the country, Trump takes over, then they turn him into the bad guy by saying, look, he's doing all these crazy things, he's deporting everyone, he's the monster we always told you he was.
tim pool
They're going to show pictures of him, like people are being loaded into trucks and buses, and they're going to say, We said never again, but it's happening now.
shane cashman
Yeah, think of all the New Yorker covers.
They're going to paint him looking like Hitler and whatnot.
unidentified
Well, maybe he should be more strategic.
Maybe just start by deporting the child molesters and the drunk drivers.
tim pool
But that's not going to matter for the cop assaulters.
It's not going to matter for the photographs and the propaganda.
So the smart play is that he has to deport them in a way that makes it difficult for them to run that narrative.
hannah claire brimelow
And I actually think that hopefully conservative media gets out with him, because I think that's part of it.
They can't back down and use the terms.
They have to be honest about the fact that these people were always here illegally and they're not supposed to be here.
tim pool
No, I think that the answer, I brought this up the other day, is Donald Trump gets in, immediately goes, I agree with Dick Durbin, we're gonna bring them into the military, good men and women in uniform, and then you take all the illegal immigrants, you, with handshakes and a salute, were like, you're coming to basic training, and then through all this, you know, they'll post a photo on a magazine being like, Trump is enlisting illegal immigrants, I guess, it's like, well, it's a Democrat idea, and they may try to spin it,
But then, what you do is you de- This is some 3D chess.
Hold on, hold on.
You deploy them.
unidentified
Wink.
tim pool
Alright, so what country are you from, sir?
I'm from Honduras.
Congratulations, you're being deployed to Honduras.
shane cashman
You don't need a gun or a helmet.
hannah claire brimelow
It seems like a more expensive route to do this.
unidentified
We're going to send you to the other side of the border to guard the border.
shane cashman
That's a good idea!
unidentified
You guys stay over there!
hannah claire brimelow
Don't let anybody in!
tim pool
That's a good idea, actually.
unidentified
You're all being deployed to line the border.
tim pool
Don't let anybody in.
unidentified
Who needs a wall?
We have a human wall.
hannah claire brimelow
If anybody gets in, none of you get citizenship.
tim pool
Yeah.
If you can hold it for a year, but then the best part- Ten years.
But the best part is, we can promise them anything, and like the US government already treats its veterans, they just abandon them.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
shane cashman
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
We give you nothing.
tim pool
There you go.
It's like, I served for four years, it's like, do you notice the line of all the other veterans that we've ignored?
Man, you should have read the fine print.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's true.
Maybe this is the way to solve this issue.
I was skeptical at first because it seemed like we'd just be using taxpayer money to do something crazy.
tim pool
Well, it is.
hannah claire brimelow
But that's the only way to secure the border.
tim pool
But then when the media is like, Trump is loading up all these people on the buses and trains.
And then he's like, but yeah, because they chose to join the military because they're good people.
Why would you insult them like that?
Oh, geez.
And of course, the training camp is a new training camp we set up in southern Mexico.
unidentified
This is getting very Roman Empire of you, Tim.
tim pool
I mean, that's what you could do.
Like, basic training for all non-citizens who want to enlist.
Well, that training camp is not in the United States.
It's, you know, in Guatemala.
unidentified
Right.
We exported our training facilities to Mexico.
It's cheaper there.
hannah claire brimelow
Just like our manufacturing jobs.
tim pool
We're saving money for everybody.
And then we just, you know, your job is to guard the training camp.
And they all just stay there.
Problem solved.
hannah claire brimelow
It would be interesting.
tim pool
But yeah, you'll need creative solutions, otherwise they're going to run this narrative
Donald Trump is Hitler.
I mean, I gotta be honest, like, they've already run that narrative ad nauseum.
They'll add photos to the mix.
I wonder if at that point everyone's going to be like, I just don't care anymore.
unidentified
You know, like...
tim pool
Well, no, look, I mean, this might be the best thing in the world for Trump.
Trump finally gets in, actually is loading people on buses and trains and sending them off to be deported, and the media screams, he's Hitler, and at that point you're like, I get it, the sky is falling and there's wolves.
I don't care, I'm so over it.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I think the thing is, if they run the pictures of Trump loading people up on buses, because, you know, why would he deport people who are illegally, because apparently that's the wrong thing to do, I think, hopefully, conservative media gets behind him and runs the photos of every person who has been killed by someone who was here illegally.
I mean, there are already resources that do this.
BorderHawk does this with Dan Lyman.
There are people who suffer because of illegal immigration.
Not just the economic effects, but, like, the crime.
If you showed all the footage of the, you saw this, the trash and, like, the underwear that's at the border, right?
There's horrible things.
It's a landfill.
There's evidence that something is wrong, and we just don't show those pictures enough.
It's that, like Republicans in Congress, the media that supports Trump, or the influencers, let's say, the talking heads that do it, need to be just as on the offense.
tim pool
I think I figured it out.
I know what we need.
You guys remember that article where it was like Trump ends up supporting lockdown so that everyone opposes or something like that?
What we need is 5D chess where Trump gets elected but keeps doing everything the Democrats want to be done.
And so they have no choice but to oppose all of it.
unidentified
Prepaid debit cards.
Pilot program.
That's the first action of business.
tim pool
Donald Trump gets in and he's like, we're gonna open the border!
unidentified
Let everybody in!
tim pool
And the Democrats are immediately like, we got a bill through Congress and no more border!
unidentified
And he's like, I guess I have to sign it!
And then he signs it and then he's like, We're gonna send all our troops to to Iran like no no we can't do that yeah Trump's a fascist like oh geez I guess I got okay no troops to Iran.
shane cashman
That really might be the only way to do it because the Republicans even when we had he had Congress and Senate in that first two years not much was done and the Democrats do mobilize you gotta trick them.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you feel like there's been a changing of the guards in the House and in the Senate with the Republicans that are there?
I feel like after the last year, we've really seen a sort of clashing of old and new, I would say.
shane cashman
It just seems like it's fractured, like it hasn't coalesced or anything.
Just like, you know, right-wing Twitter at times, you know, there's no one movement.
unidentified
Well, certainly in the Senate you have Mitch McConnell and he doesn't, I don't imagine he'll be sticking around if Trump wins again.
I think that's when he bows out and then it's up to who?
John Thune?
John Barrasso?
Who else is in leadership?
tim pool
I think we're just, it's unfortunate, but conservatives are too demure.
Across the board.
Like, the left will line up as enemies to whoever is declared the enemy.
You, like, some leftist activist can come out and say, I think X is a bad group of people, and they all just immediately fall in line.
You literally have police officers guarding criminal aliens occupying a building, and I got tons of thin blue line or, like, back to blue guys being like, no, I defend the cops, and I'm like, You know, the cops are the ones who are burning your neighborhoods down, and you're smiling, and saying it's not their fault.
Okay, dude.
I don't know, like culturally I see a bunch of victories, Bud Light sponsoring Shane Gillis is hilarious, and I do think we're winning, but, you know, it is a challenge, and perhaps we could mitigate some of the damage if we had more balls, and more willingness to call out bad people.
unidentified
So Jan 6 wasn't the right play?
Is that what you're thinking?
tim pool
Yeah, definitely not.
I think the right play is like, Every single conservative should be completely aligned with, if police officers are facilitating human smuggling, they are opposed to those police officers.
But there's so many people on the right who are like, no, I don't blame the guys who are committing the crime, it's the person who told them to do it.
And I'm just like, both of them, I don't care.
But like, if we went, if these cops in Boston knew that if they were filmed doing this, they would never eat another hot dog again, they would never be able to get a hotel room, no one would make them a cheeseburger, they wouldn't do it.
And so what the left does, this is funny, When these cops are in New York and the left is trying to protest, the left will film them and be like, yeah, we're going to film you.
The cops are like, I don't care.
You're fringe nobodies.
You are not my community.
I don't care.
If the conservative back the blue people did it, they'd start sweating bullets.
Because these are the people who actually live in your neighborhoods.
And you're going to walk in and be like, aren't you that guy that I saw helping criminal aliens take over some town?
You think you can eat food in my restaurant?
Oh, out of here, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But conservatives are like, I don't blame you, it's not your fault.
unidentified
Yeah, there will always be that big, that deep respect for law and order, and it's kind of baked in, conservatives.
tim pool
But, but, like, but right, but understand what you're saying.
You're saying that conservatives are not actually respecting law and order.
They are defending criminals because the criminal has a badge.
And I want to make sure this is clear.
I'm not talking about a cop who's like walking down the street and he's like, break up the fight, guys.
I'm talking about cops who were ordered to facilitate human smuggling and they're like, you got it, boss!
And they went there and they're like, I'm gonna guard a bunch of criminal aliens who have taken this community center from these people because my boss told me to do it.
And I'm like, well, you're a criminal.
You have broken the law.
You should be arrested.
I have no respect for you.
shane cashman
I think a lot of them are afraid to sound like, you know, rioters during BLM, and they're overcompensating for how that looked, you know, when that whole thing played out.
But then I would remind people, look at the cops who went in and ripped people out of stadiums that weren't wearing a mask.
tim pool
You know, there was a sheriff, a woman was in Minnesota, and she tried opening her cafe during lockdown, and so they put out a warrant for arrest or whatever, so she fled to Iowa, and the sheriffs hunted her down.
They were like, we're gonna make sure this old thing suffers!
Man, there were so many instances where cops were just brutalizing regular- like, my favorite is the New Jersey cops.
A woman was live streaming.
She had a store.
And she was live, so she would sell things.
You could come in and buy stuff, it was like a resale shop.
When they shut everybody down, they're all closed.
So what does she do?
She started live streaming on Facebook saying, here are the things that I have, let me film them for you and you can order them on the site and I'll ship them to you.
Cops went to her store and said, ma'am, you need to close your store.
And she goes, what are you talking about?
I am closed.
They're like, no, stop filming and stop trying to sell things.
Proving it was never about the pandemic.
hannah claire brimelow
These were just, Well, the other weird thing that came out in the beginning of the pandemic was that domestic violence rates, I cannot talk right now, domestic violence rates jumped significantly.
And so there are people that would have maybe needed law enforcement's help that probably didn't get it.
But then there were businesses that were just trying to find a way to make money, potentially keep their employees on, and they got It's their livelihood, right?
unidentified
So the store owners, when your livelihood is threatened, that's when you're ready to just civil disobedience.
That's when the conservatives are like, hey, don't threaten my livelihood.
You know, maybe that's what it takes for the conservatives to turn on law enforcement.
hannah claire brimelow
But we didn't say there are other things that are going on.
Like, because we locked everyone in their homes, there are other social issues that are coming up, and we should maybe use law enforcement to help with those things.
Instead, it was like, how do we make everyone hurt economically?
shane cashman
And then we had a lot of people just have to quit or were fired for not getting the shot.
And so who was left, you know?
tim pool
I want to turn things around.
We'll get a little too dark.
Too black Billy.
Let's go white Bill.
Check this out.
Wall Street Journal.
Big news ladies and gentlemen.
Joe Rogan gets new Spotify deal worth up to 250 million dollars.
Hit show to be distributed broadly including on YouTube rather than exclusively on audio streaming service.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
Where we at?
This deal is an upfront minimum guarantee.
What does that mean?
It means Spotify told Joe Rogan, here's what we're going to do, boss.
We're going to take your show.
We're going to put on all platforms, every single platform imaginable.
We're going to pay you $250 million upfront guarantee.
But, we get to sell ads on all your content on every platform, and you gotta pay us back that $250, after that, we do a rev share.
So, his original deal was, he had an exclusive deal, this is my understanding from Wall Street Journal, he had an exclusive deal where they said, we're gonna pay you what was like $200 million, so that your show is only on Spotify.
Many people were speculating, I was talking to people in the media industry, and they were like, you think Joe's gonna re-up this deal?
And now we got the news.
He's coming back to YouTube.
He's coming back to all platforms with Spotify in control of how the ads are placed and generated.
Because Spotify, I believe... I believe Spotify owns Megafone?
Someone wanna, you wanna Google that real quick?
And I'm pretty sure they do.
And that is basically YouTube's ad network, how you can auto-place ads.
This is what Megaphone does.
So if you're gonna like put a podcast, upload a podcast, you put it there, then you can place ads just like on YouTube.
So Spotify is basically going broad and they're saying like, we want your content everywhere.
The reason this is good, demonetization is no longer a factor.
Joe Rogan, in the news all the time, hosts a lot of politically spicy things and edgy things.
Spotify with this bet, it's not so much that they're predicting something,
but they're setting something.
Spotify is a juggernaut.
If they say Joe Rogan is working with us and we're gonna sell ads on his content,
demonetization is out the window.
YouTube is not going to demonetize Joe Rogan's show when he has Alex Jones on, because Spotify is going to be like, that's my money.
And Google, my understanding, is a shareholder to some degree, or there's some connection there between the two.
I think Google might have the majority or something like that, I don't know.
Long story short, even if that's not the case, Spotify does not want to lose money.
They don't think they're going to lose money.
And they're not going to let these big companies take their money from them by taking Joe Rogan down.
Which means we all get to ride the coattails of Joe Rogan's show.
It's not like you're going to get absolute free speech on most platforms.
But Joe Rogan's hosted controversial guests and the media's lost their mind over it.
Now Spotify's putting money behind it on YouTube and all these other platforms, on every platform.
That's like we win, dude.
shane cashman
Yeah, this is like the inverse of Jon Stewart coming back to The Daily Show.
That seems like a desperate play for them to install this guy to deceptively edit reality and try to just take the election.
But this is like a big cultural win.
This is very impactful, especially that he's gonna be back on YouTube.
During election.
Will it be election year?
Do we know when this starts?
tim pool
I believe it's now.
I mean, I don't know when they're going to... When was it?
It was the end of 2020.
They were like January of 2021 or something.
He moved over.
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
So it's about time for his contracts to expire.
Spotify announced in 2020 that it was going to acquire Megaphone for $235 million.
Wow.
And then it looks like the deal didn't finalize for a little while, but I'm pretty sure it went through, are you sure?
It is finalized now, it just looks like it took a year or two to be finalized.
unidentified
So how does this affect the sort of the left-wing industry of getting advertisers to boycott personalities and then somehow that chokes off their revenue?
shane cashman
Yeah, I'm not really sure.
tim pool
Well, it's basically, it's the end, man.
You think Spotify, as a major player in this space, is gonna tolerate that?
They're gonna go after Joe Rogan, Google's gonna start going, and Spotify's gonna say, don't touch it.
unidentified
Because that's their money now, it's not.
Yep.
shane cashman
You think they'll listen?
tim pool
Yeah, Google... Let's see, I don't know if this is... I pulled it up.
In the spring of 2019, Google announced the acquisition of the world-renowned Swedish music streaming service Spotify.
Google believed the acquisition was the world's most popular service.
unidentified
Blah, blah, blah.
tim pool
Did it actually?
They considered a transaction amount to be quite acceptable.
Spotify and Google will remain as two independent companies in 2023.
Okay, so it's not.
But I think, basically, when you have major industries saying, we endorse this, Look at Dave Chappelle's comedy.
You look at Bud Light sponsoring Shane Gillis.
It's just like, we're winning the culture.
And the culture is what leads to the politics, like Donald Trump getting elected is a component of that.
When you look at all the things that the left is doing, the Democrats are doing, it's like they want to burn the country down, incite violence, because they're desperate.
It's like you were saying about Ted Bundy.
Like, the walls are closing in, man.
We're winning everything.
shane cashman
Do you think we'll see a Trump on Rogan on YouTube?
tim pool
I don't know, man.
shane cashman
It would be epic.
It'd be epic.
I mean, you know Biden's not gonna do it.
He can't sit in one place and talk for two hours.
His face would fall off.
hannah claire brimelow
This is one of the things I've started to start following just for my own amusement.
Like, he did the national prayer breakfast earlier this day, and he spoke for 10 minutes.
And the year before, he spoke for 20.
So it really is dwindling how long he speaks.
So he really, I mean, we've talked about this with the people who are running for office right now.
Vivek was really good about this.
RFK is on the podcast circuit.
They're kind of embracing these alternative platforms.
But this format of just talking for several hours is not natural to everybody.
And I really don't think it's natural to Joe Biden.
shane cashman
Not even on the people who are running for the conservative ticket, like DeSantis and Haley couldn't do a podcast.
hannah claire brimelow
But Trump is a complete natural for it.
I mean, he goes long on his speeches just because he wants to anyways.
I mean, he could talk for three hours by himself.
shane cashman
Him and Rogan eating Trump steaks.
hannah claire brimelow
Just hanging out, having a good time.
unidentified
It'd be great.
tim pool
Trump steaks.
unidentified
Yeah.
Let's do it.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Trump steaks still exist, right?
shane cashman
I have no idea.
I thought they were done, but they could not.
tim pool
This is the thing about this.
This is what really, you know what?
You know what helped me be aware of the lies about Donald Trump in the 2015 16 cycle.
I'm at Fusion in Durham.
It's in Miami.
It's in Doral.
It's like right next to Trump Doral Golf Resort.
And so if I'm in New York and everyone's saying, oh, Trump did this Trump is that I'm like,
wow, that's crazy.
I'm like, you know, I'm and I'm and I'm I'm going on the ground.
I'm meeting people.
I'm like, well, that one doesn't seem to make sense.
But then I go to Trump Doral.
Trump steaks available on the menu.
Trump bottled water and Trump magazine.
I'm fairly certain it was all there.
And I went, oh.
unidentified
Trump ice?
tim pool
Was that still there?
His companies are like McDonald's makes their own mayonnaise.
It's cheaper for Trump to make a product internally than it is to pay a premium to have another company do it.
If Trump gets his stakes from a big state company, he's gonna be paying for their, you know, 10% margin or whatever.
If he does it all on his own, as a Trump stake, he saves 10% when he sources the materials for his hotels and his resorts.
Hotels need, uh...
Bottled water?
unidentified
That's kind of a microcosm of America First, right?
Always buy from Trump.
tim pool
Yeah, but then the media kept saying that his companies are bankrupt, and they were like, you can't even buy Trump steaks, where are they at?
And I was like, huh, they're right here.
unidentified
Along with the Taco Bell.
tim pool
That's right, the Taco Bowl.
I wonder if Trump Steaks are still a thing.
serge du preez
No, Trump Steaks are unfortunately not a thing.
They stopped in 2007, which is a pain to say.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
But I'm sure they're still on the menu.
serge du preez
I'm sure, like, if you get a steak at Mar-a-Lago, there has to be some vertical integration going on there.
There wouldn't not be, so...
hannah claire brimelow
No, this is- Also, isn't it not- I feel like it'd be normal if people shut down branches of their business.
Like, this happens all the time.
The fact that he even built a Trump Steak brand is hilarious in the first place.
Is he not gonna get credit for that?
tim pool
Trump Steaks.
unidentified
I don't know, Tim.
You might have something here.
Tim Steaks.
tim pool
They had Trump water and I brought Trump water back to the office in New York, because they were all saying that Trump water went out of business and that Trump was bankrupt, all these companies.
And they loved running this line where they were like, Donald Trump has been bankrupt five times.
How is he still rich?
And, well, it's because the banks are propping up.
It's because he had 500 companies.
So 495 were fine.
And the Trump organization was fine.
So I come back, I'm like, oh, here's the Trump water.
I'm like, where'd you get this?
And I'm like, from Trump Hotel, like literally next to the office in Miami.
They were like, what?
Oh my goodness, people have no idea what's going on in the world.
shane cashman
God, look at that picture.
hannah claire brimelow
I just want, like, a SkyMall equivalent, but it's Trump-related products.
Like, just TrumpMall, and he just sells you, like, all kinds of random things.
unidentified
Those have, like, popped up independently all around the country, you know?
You'll see, like, this, like, mainstream wasteland, and then all of a sudden you'll see a store that's just, like, THE TRUMP STORE.
There's a lot of them in Florida.
You'll see them in, like, the middle of the country, but you'll just be driving along and then you'll see just all of a sudden just a window plastered with Trump paraphernalia.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like a souvenir shop for, like, the part of America that's voting for him.
Like, this is amazing.
tim pool
This is crazy.
Look at this.
In the Wikipedia for Trump steaks, it says, in August 2015, Time magazine included Trump steaks on a list of Trump business failures.
In December 2015, during the 2016 presidential campaign, a super PAC supporting John Kasich produced an ad mocking Trump steaks.
Blah blah blah.
I don't care.
Dude.
I should totally make a list of my business failures.
There's a lot.
I once worked on an app to facilitate political donations on Facebook for politicians.
And this was like 2009 or 10 or something, very early days.
It was like the app days of Facebook.
And I was working with some, like, how would anyone ever find out, like, we worked on a project, it went nowhere, we fizzled out.
We had like an early prototype that couldn't really, you know, then we were like, ah, we don't know, there's too much regulation, let's do something else.
The amount of things Trump's probably worked on, the funny thing is, they mock him for his failures.
It's a perfect example of who they are.
They have no failures.
They think that's a good thing.
hannah claire brimelow
But they never tried to do anything.
shane cashman
They're averse to risk.
They don't want to fail.
tim pool
They're averse to any work.
shane cashman
Yes, this is true.
That's why they like the pods.
tim pool
I mean, look, let's consider this.
We put them in the pods.
They don't mind.
We give them the bugs.
They also don't mind.
Who's complaining?
I don't got to eat the bugs and I'm not going to live in the pod, but they can.
I mean, that's what they're doing.
unidentified
Give them the new Apple headset.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
This is my life plan, right?
Like just let them go and I'll stay here.
And if that's what you guys want to do, cool, cool, cool.
But I don't want to.
shane cashman
In that direction, like the trend of a lot of people growing up, not having kids, they're just going to fizzle out.
tim pool
They're gonna plug into the Neuralink and they're gonna go to their micro-universes where they're, you know, the demon slayer and, you know, they got all the busty women jumping up and down around them.
shane cashman
It's funny, because they don't like Elon right now, but they also didn't like Trump, but it was Trump's vaccine, but now they love the vaccine, so at some point they'll probably like the Neuralink even though they didn't like Elon.
serge du preez
It's Elon's metaverse.
shane cashman
Because that's how they, that's their logic, yeah.
tim pool
No, but look how many of these liberal people have hidden their blue checks on Twitter.
serge du preez
Oh, true.
tim pool
Why sign up for the service just to pretend like you didn't sign up for it, you know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
Can't give Elon money, yeah.
serge du preez
What a genius move by Elon to just hide that, though.
It's like the best move ever.
tim pool
To give him the option, you can hide your verification page.
serge du preez
Great move, great move.
tim pool
That's crazy.
shane cashman
You want to be a coward?
You can do it!
tim pool
I think these people are going to line up.
The left is going to line up to jump into the matrix.
With smiles on their faces.
It's their entire MO.
And they're going to advocate their kids do it.
And they're going to... You know what?
You're better off... Ignorance is bliss.
They're going to be eating those pretty juicy steaks.
How could you be depressed?
Right?
A clinical hormonal depression, I suppose, where you just don't understand why you feel so bad.
hannah claire brimelow
Your body doesn't produce the correct amount of serotonin.
tim pool
Yeah, or something like that.
But for the average person, their listlessness and depression... I love... The funny thing about... Lauren Southern had this tweet where she said, before we give you SSRIs, you have to go to the gym twice a week or something.
And everyone's like, you don't understand some people.
And she's like, I'm not talking about people who are immobile.
She's like, if you have the ability to go to the gym, go start working out.
It releases endorphins.
It makes you feel better.
What's going to happen is someone's going to be like, I'm depressed.
And I'm like, have you considered plugging in a neural link and being a mini God in your own universe?
shane cashman
My friend Joe Allen, who's with The War Room, went to some tech convention recently and he posted a video of a new type of metaverse thing where you can plug in and you're like a little girl.
I'm like, yeah, it's like they were like, it was like, I know, I know.
And there was like a feed that you put on your, like a thing on your mouth that I think Wait, wait, wait, start over.
tim pool
An adult man went to a convention for adults, including adult men.
shane cashman
It's all tech, for all new tech.
And there was one, like, booth sharing some new tech of, like, a Metaverse thing where you plug in and you have the headset on and a mouth thing over you so you can scream or be loud and no one can hear you outside.
tim pool
And brought you into a, like, you are a little girl.
shane cashman
And the character on the screen was, like, a young girl.
So, like, they could sell it as, like, look, the transgender surgeries are even cheaper in the Metaverse.
tim pool
Well, I suppose it's like if someone made a video game and it's like some old dude plays it, that's kind of creepy, but I'm not going to blame someone who made a game with a character.
You know what I mean?
shane cashman
I think it's weird because that's promoting like a lot of people can go into the metaverse and now be these things that they want to be.
unidentified
I think that's morally- Dude, this exists already.
tim pool
It exists already.
So during lockdowns, we still have the Oculus.
Nobody uses it.
But, uh, shoutouts to Space Pirate Robot Game.
You ever play that one?
No, that game is amazing.
You're, uh, it's a VR game for the Oculus, and you're staying on this big platform, and there's robots flying at you.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I've played this game!
tim pool
Yeah!
hannah claire brimelow
It's so fun!
tim pool
And you have, like, different kinds of guns, or an energy sword, and a shield, and so I just love whacking the robots.
It's so fun.
But!
There's also a chat room function, where you go into this virtual reality chat room, and there's like a rabbit walking around, and there's like the Mad Hatter, and there's just like, you know, a crocodile dude, and one guy's a carrot, and they're walking around, and the guy's like, I identify as a carrot!
You know, like, no one really- I'm kidding, no one really said that.
unidentified
Oh, so they're not NPCs, they're- Oh, it's humans!
tim pool
It's human beings in the game, walking around in their VR space.
unidentified
It's inanimate objects.
tim pool
And you can like, point the stick and then teleport, because you can only move so far.
But this is what I was saying, like, In the future, you're gonna be in a business meeting, and you're gonna like, it's gonna be indistinguishable from reality.
You're gonna put on your headset or whatever, plug in your Neuralink, fall back, and then you're walking into the office, you sit down at the table, and you got Mario to your left, you got the Incredible Hulk over here, a giant cupcake with a smiley face.
unidentified
You don't even need an electric car to get there.
tim pool
No, you just teleport, and the cupcake is gonna look at you with a big ol' smile and go, Okay, let's get into the TPS reports.
Our sales were down last week.
unidentified
Nobody wants to buy anything.
tim pool
New guy's gonna walk in looking just like a human being, and he's gonna be the only one.
He's gonna be like, am I in the wrong room?
I'm like, no, no, you're here.
This is Jim.
He's been emailing you.
He identifies as a cupcake.
Ah, okay.
Well, okay, great, yeah.
My brother is an eclair.
Like, oh, really?
hannah claire brimelow
You guys should talk sometime.
You've been getting a lot of comments.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like, none of the cupcakes, like actually eclairs, are very offensive to us.
It's like, oh, I didn't know, I'm sorry.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean I do think that there will be people who are interested in this and in some ways this sounds more entertaining than like endless zoom meetings if you work from home but I just think it'll ultimately be one of these things that like really splits people and I think to your point from earlier like people are already kind of dividing up in the way they live we have very separate lifestyles going on people who choose not to have children and are maybe more like more into pursuing their specific interests the metaverse might be a great place because it makes traveling cheaper because you just have to plug in you don't have to buy a plane ticket it makes you know something that might physically risk you like if you wanted to be a great uh skydiver right you don't actually have to do it you can just get the thrill of doing it virtually whereas there'll be people who are like no i want to talk to people in real life and i want to have kids and i want to
Bear responsibilities in a way that you clearly don't want to.
They'll just stop interacting.
I saw this reel on Instagram where someone was saying, like, when you move different cities and, like, one group of friends is talking about settling down, having kids, and the other one is like, I'm doing peyote this week and I'm doing whatever, like, there are just people who split and they do different things and they live different ways and they'll stop intersecting at some point.
shane cashman
Do we take away their right to vote or run for office if they're in a metaverse?
tim pool
Only net taxpayers can vote.
Problem solved.
shane cashman
All right, there we go.
tim pool
That solves all problems.
If you're a net taxpayer, you can vote.
unidentified
Have a nice day.
These door dashes will just come out ahead because they will be delivering food to all of the people plugged into the Metaverse.
tim pool
Why can't you let those robots do those little robots?
unidentified
You cannot feed people.
shane cashman
I see the Metaverse is like a food tube.
tim pool
Like the Matrix got all this wrong.
They needed it because there's no conflict without it.
But the premise of the Matrix is that they gave humans paradise and humans rejected it because humans need conflict.
But there's no reason to create one Matrix.
Each individual person could be in their own Matrix Experiencing their own conflict, and they would never have rebellion.
The machines would control everyone because you'd be in your own universe, and they could make the universe whatever you wanted it to be.
unidentified
Kind of like a Truman Show, more like.
tim pool
Sort of.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But no one's really watching you, it's just to control you.
shane cashman
And you put yourself there.
Self-imposed Truman Show.
tim pool
And what if, uh, what if, so simulation theory, what if it's prison?
Like, if we get to that point of Neuralink, someone commits a crime, they're gonna say, you are sentenced to live a life in this way through Neuralink.
unidentified
And so, you know... Right, they take out your happy Neuralink, and then Neuralink, and then they put in the bad one.
tim pool
Well, no, they don't have to change anything.
Neuralink is an implant.
unidentified
They just program it.
tim pool
You just wirelessly connect to it.
Yeah, so some guy is driving his car, and he's drunk He's like oh, and then he crashes and he kills some teenager, and they're like you're going to prison He's like no, and they're like it We're going to make you live a life as a parent who loses a child in this way And you will live in them and that they'll be your punishment and the sentence is only like a week long but they put the guy in the pod crying and They turn the thing on and then he experiences 70 years of life as growing up, having a family, raising a kid, kids killed by a drunk driver, he has to live through it all, and then he ages, gets old, dies, and then wakes up in the pod like... Would we as a society accept that as a punishment, you think?
The problem with the United States is that we went a little crazy with the no cruel unusual punishment thing.
And, uh, it's a good thing.
But I mean, we went a little crazy with it in that, like, now there's literally no... Instead of actually trying to figure out ways to create deterrence, we just say, put them in a box, and we've created gang hangouts.
We've, like, just centralized gang headquarters.
hannah claire brimelow
They're just all together.
tim pool
Yeah, and it's like...
It is good, we said no cruel and unusual punishment.
The problem is, we need to be more specific about what it means to be cruel and unusual.
Like, our punishments are completely uniform, for the most part, and it's, you go into a box, and then, like, people are getting raped in there.
Is that not cruel and unusual?
It certainly is, but we don't care, so we've, like, it's made this uniform thing, whereas, like, There are means of creating penalties for crimes that are better deterrents.
And I'm not going to list a bunch, but I'll give you an example.
And I think it might be like Switzerland.
If you're speeding, you have to pay a percentage fine.
So in the United States, you pay a dollar fine.
I think it's Switzerland, I'm not sure, but there's countries in Europe where it's like, okay, your fine is, you know, 0.5% of your yearly income based on your past year's taxes.
And that's getting kicked in the balls.
If you're making, you know, 20 million bucks, you're like, oh man, that's a fine.
But what happens is, like right now we're like, nope, everybody's got to pay 50 bucks for a parking ticket.
It's like, okay, for a lot of people, that's just paying for parking.
So like Wrigley Field in Chicago, for instance, people, everyone parks illegally.
Because it's like, I'll get a hundred dollar ticket, cost a hundred bucks to park.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And so they're double parked.
I remember because I used to live there two blocks away and people would double park down our street, blocking our cars in.
And it's like, we got to get them towed, get them towed.
And then what happens when the people come out, they pay 200 bucks to get the car out of the impound lot, which is not that far away.
And they're like, okay.
shane cashman
They're like worth it.
Yep.
tim pool
Because you can't park anywhere else.
Right.
It's like you're driving down Clark and there's a guy waving his flag.
Country air service.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
And now you know where your car is at.
You're like, ah, I just want to come out and my car will be safe.
unidentified
It'll be safe in the impound.
No one's going to break in or steal anything.
tim pool
So perhaps I'm phrasing it wrong.
Like, we should not allow cruel and unusual punishment, but we should allow for variety in how we handle crimes.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, this is what I found interesting about the nitrogen hypoxia execution that took- it was the first one ever on January 25th, and the whole argument was that this guy, Kenneth Eugene Smith, who's in Alabama, dead now, he had- they couldn't do a lethal injection in 2022, I think.
And part of it was he had said, you're not going to be able to get a vein and it's going to be uncomfortable for me and this is cruel and you guys shouldn't make me do this.
And eventually that was true.
It didn't happen.
Alabama stayed executions for three months.
And during that time he was like, I want nitrogen hypoxia.
That's what I want.
And Alabama is one of three states where it's legal.
Then later he was like, no, there are too many risks.
Like I don't want to do this.
And ultimately, you know, legal proceedings, the UN, there was a commission there being like, it is, it's human experimentation.
You can't do this.
And when he died, you know, you had some outlets that ran it that were like, it took 22 minutes to happen.
He struggled.
Well, also, there are reports that like, he refused.
He held his breath.
He didn't want to breathe.
The nitrogen is coming in.
Just like during the lethal injection, there are reports that he, at one point, you have to clench your fist and he wouldn't do it.
Like, ultimately, this person did not want to die, which I sympathize with, except you were on death row.
unidentified
He did not want to die quickly.
He wanted to make it as difficult as possible.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, you're on death row for a murder.
So you knew this one was coming.
serge du preez
Only PC America is going to do like, oh, how safe is your execution?
hannah claire brimelow
But this whole conversation is like, is nitrogen hypoxia less cruel, more cruel?
Is it okay to have other options?
Because if you can't get a vein on someone, it takes several hours to try and find one.
You ultimately call it off.
That seems way more cruel to me.
tim pool
But what about just like regular old hypoxia?
Right.
It's nitrogen?
hannah claire brimelow
Nitrogen deprives the oxygen from your body.
tim pool
And so you just fall asleep or what?
hannah claire brimelow
You fall asleep and then eventually you go into organ failure, but you don't feel it because you're asleep.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
What's wrong with it?
serge du preez
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
He said that if anything were to go wrong, I could be a vegetable, I could risk a stroke, which is like, there are risks to lethal injection too.
And then one of his, there were lots of things that came up at last minute resistance.
He had a spiritual advisor who filed a complaint saying, Alabama's made me sign this waiver that if anything goes wrong, if I'm within three feet of him, I risk exposure to this nitrogen and you're stopping me from being able to anoint him at death.
As we move forward with all of these new technologies and all of these new options, we have to ask along the way, is this experimentation?
Is it cruel and unusual?
But also you have to say, people who are delving into this sometimes are just doing it to avoid punishment.
tim pool
Here's the harsh reality.
In Singapore, I think it's six canings.
unidentified
You get caned six times.
serge du preez
It's like a hard giant bamboo stick.
It's not fun at all.
tim pool
If you litter, they beat you.
And so nobody litters.
Nobody chews gum.
shane cashman
Do they do it publicly?
serge du preez
No, it's not public.
It's not public.
It's a private thing.
shane cashman
I'm against the state being allowed to kill people.
And so is one of my favorite writers.
Albert Camus is someone I love, his writing.
And he was also against the state having the ability to kill people.
However, he made an argument in the essay Notes on a Guillotine that if we're going to do this, it needs to be very public to actually deter people from doing it instead of doing it I actually don't think the death penalty is a strong deterrent.
tim pool
I think publicly beating someone while laughing at them would be.
Especially with a lot of criminals having this like, especially in Chicago, a lot of the criminals, they want respect.
Humiliating them in public would be a deterrent.
shane cashman
For sure.
tim pool
I'm not saying I advocate for it.
I'm saying the guys that I know in the south side, if they were like, if you get caught stealing, we will put you in a stock and spank you.
serge du preez
And shame you.
tim pool
And shame you and make you wear a diaper in public and take pictures and post it to the internet.
They'd be like, I ain't getting caught, dude.
I ain't doing that.
unidentified
You're nuts.
shane cashman
Right.
unidentified
I got a count on the brain, but she was, that's what she did in California when she was 18.
tim pool
Spank people.
unidentified
No.
shane cashman
Well, there was that Montel Williams stuff.
unidentified
A little bit of trying to humiliate the work, having prison crews fight wildfires.
tim pool
Well, that's slavery.
That's not humiliation.
They want that.
The people in the prisons ask for that duty because it gets them out.
They get to go out, they get to go on rides, they get paid a dollar an hour, but it's like, it's compelled servitude.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
No, I'm saying like, I don't speak for everybody, but caning in public would be a tremendous deterrent.
I mean, there's a reason why we don't do it because it's so severe.
And I'm, again, not advocating for it, but that's the harsh reality is that places like Singapore, there's no gum on the ground.
People don't litter there because it's like, you will be beaten.
shane cashman
We used to put people in stocks here.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
What happened to that?
hannah claire brimelow
Make stocks great again.
shane cashman
Make America stock again.
S-T-O-C-K.
tim pool
Would you guys support Neuralink prisons?
shane cashman
No, I don't think real life is real life and you have to be punished in real life.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I do too.
shane cashman
It's like waking up from a dream, you know, it will affect you for a day perhaps.
hannah claire brimelow
I also just don't trust Neuralink at all and so there's a level of I don't feel like I can, in good faith, put someone in Neuralink prison if I also don't trust Neuralink at all.
shane cashman
I will let Elon experiment on bad people.
hannah claire brimelow
Let's say you got somebody.
There's one group that tried that, there's bad.
tim pool
Let's say you got somebody who, uh, he's 20 years old, and him and his buddies go into a bodega and armed robbery, steal from the store clerk, smash everything up, take all his money, ransack the place, and then leave.
They get caught later and he gets sentenced to four years in prison for the armed robbery.
His sentence is he'll be placed in a neural link where he will wake up with the memories of a store clerk owner and none of his past life and he will experience having his life savings and life destroyed in this moment and then after that moment, he wakes up realizing what he did and how they felt.
shane cashman
Kind of like what they were doing in Clockwork Orange, when they had the guy's eyes kept open and they're showing him all the footage.
tim pool
Actually having him experience the life of it.
You're a guy who's saved up, you know, he's like, I'm working really hard, my wife is sick, I need to make money, and then you come in, smash something and destroy it all, and then they leave and you experience all of that suffering.
hannah claire brimelow
I guess one of the things that brings up for me is the idea, like, In the Neuralink, are you able to program someone's emotions?
Because if you don't feel the guilt, or if you don't feel empathy, really, then going into someone else's life and suffering, would you experience it in the same way?
No, that's the point.
tim pool
You force them through that experience, and it's monitored and measured.
unidentified
I'm just really worried about the amount of power who's controlling the Neuralink.
shane cashman
I'm just anti-Neuralink, I think, across the board.
Only for the left.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
What if the prisoners are like, okay, you can do this one, or you can go into the Neuralink?
Like, do we want there to be options for people to choose how they're punished?
tim pool
What if we just say, we're gonna send you, like, you committed a crime.
You can go to prison, regular real-life prison, for, like, okay, so it's a serious crime, it's a negligent homicide, you were drinking and driving, you killed two kids, you're gonna get ten years because it's your, it's your, like, third DUI, you weren't supposed to, you didn't have a license.
You're not someone who is, like, trying to go out and kill, but you've shown a pattern of behavior, and they say, what are you going to do?
We're going to lock you up for 15 years, 20 years, or Neuralink for life.
But, Neuralink happiness.
You can go into this machine, we remove you from society because you're a danger to society, you will live a normal, happy life where you will feel good, and you will cause no harm to anybody.
hannah claire brimelow
I guess that's the other question, like, is imprisonment about separating people from the population, or is it about rehabilitation?
unidentified
Both.
hannah claire brimelow
Because there are other countries that have different feelings about this, and I think it would be hard to know.
tim pool
In the United States, the purpose of prison is to unite gang members and harden them to worse criminals.
shane cashman
Until there's a lockdown, and then you release them all, so the crime... That's right!
serge du preez
They keep their populations down, it's just a culling method, man, that's all it is.
tim pool
But Shane, what if one day you're like on your deathbed, your family's all around you.
And then you're like, thank you for such a good life.
And they're like, we love you.
We love you.
And then you wake up and you're like some 26 year old gangbanger who like shot, who shot an author who wrote weird sci-fi mystery novels.
shane cashman
I would be extremely depressed.
I would have to wake up and not have that family.
unidentified
Well, how do you wake up?
tim pool
But think about like, You guys ever watch the Rick and Morty episode where Summer is in the car and Rick is like, protect Summer.
serge du preez
Oh, that's good.
tim pool
And so it shoots a guy in the spine.
At first it slices a guy into cubes and she screams like, don't do it, don't kill people.
So then it paralyzes the next guy and she's like, stop hurting people.
So then when the police show up, it genetically clones the son of one of the police officers and the child comes out and he's like, Daddy?
And he's like, Oh my god!"
And he hugs his son, but then his son's like, don't hurt the car, daddy.
He's like, what?
And then the kid melts and he's screaming.
Like, think about the kind of torture you could do to people
with a Neuralink, where you give them a child and then force them to live full Neuralink reality
of watching their child be murdered in front of them.
shane cashman
It also depends on the degree to which these people can, or have a capacity for emotion.
Because some of these psychopaths, I don't know if it would work on them.
serge du preez
So a minute ago you were saying like, you can make them feel some emotions or whatever, but I don't think that's the point.
The point is to get the person to feel those emotions, but then you have to get, you get to the idea of yeah, whether they can even feel those or if they're capable of feeling it.
unidentified
Yeah, would, like Hannah mentioned earlier, are you able to control their emotions or you just try to manipulate them?
tim pool
Well you, but like, You- you could theoretically make- I think at the point of Neuralink, you can make them feel things.
Like, if we're talking about read-write.
unidentified
Physical pain, emotional pain.
tim pool
Emotional, everything.
Like, if we can write to the brain enough to where they can experience things, you could force emotional sensations.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I'm curious about, because like, again, I would never be for Neuralink, I don't think I could ever be convinced, but- With, like, you can make someone feel something, but is it enough to rewire the way their brain works, right?
Like, if you had a sociopath, is Neuralink going to be able to make them experience enough to make them have empathy?
unidentified
Like, if you're hardwired to function a certain way... Oh, but maybe you just use the Neuralink to reprogram his brain to be virtuous.
tim pool
Can you do that?
No, but yes, that's the point.
unidentified
Like, hey, we're going to take out the murder part.
Yeah, be careful.
tim pool
But this is the point, right?
The point is, When... So, imagine the sci-fi movie.
A guy is living a life, and he experiences the death of his girlfriend, and he starts an organization to fight drunk driving, and he becomes an old man, and then, you know, like, a young woman comes in and says, I just wanted to let you know that, you know, you really helped my dad, and the organization you did, blah, blah, blah.
I turned his alcoholism around, and he's like, thank you so much.
And then, on his deathbed, He's got, you know, his loved ones around them are like, you stopped so many drunk drivers.
And then he wakes up as a 23-year-old who killed two people in a drunk driving accident.
And he's immediately like, we can never allow drunk driving ever again.
Oh my God.
And then completely abandons.
shane cashman
It could work on some and it might not work on others.
That's why I think it's unreliable punishment.
tim pool
But hold on.
For the sociopaths who can't feel emotional pain, you just simulate them being flayed alive over and over again.
shane cashman
We'll do a, we need a Neuralink for unit 730 or whatever it was.
731, whatever it is in Japan.
Uh, yeah.
So this is why I'm trying to talk to Elon about the Neuralink so we can get answers to these questions.
One day, one day he'll respond.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know, man.
unidentified
That's a whole lot of power.
for the person pushing the buttons.
shane cashman
The thing about Neuralink is there's beautiful things about what he talks about,
Elon talking about now with fixing epilepsy or paraplegics.
Exactly. But these things we're talking about that are, I don't think,
that far away from what Neuralink is capable of doing. I'm really curious.
serge du preez
Do you think I can be used for people that have like that have like psychological like what's the word?
I guess antisocial disorders.
tim pool
Neurodivergence.
serge du preez
Okay.
I'm neurodivergent.
I had a brain injury.
I'm neurodivergent.
All right guys.
I have real brain damage.
unidentified
Okay.
hannah claire brimelow
Someone who has a personality.
Stop claiming that you're special.
shane cashman
Always want to be the victim.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm from South Africa.
I live abroad.
I have a brain injury.
I get it.
I get it.
You're very, very special.
No, no, no.
You're all very special.
Now go home.
But the thing is, like, could it cure a personality disorder?
serge du preez
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
shane cashman
Someone could hack it.
hannah claire brimelow
And someone would program what personality to you?
tim pool
Someone posted this.
There was a meme.
Actually, I wonder if I can find it.
It was basically like some guys being annoying on the train, so they hack his Neuralink to make him trans.
To give him gender dysphoria.
unidentified
That's terrifying.
hannah claire brimelow
No, thank you.
shane cashman
We can't have that future.
serge du preez
Tim, I'm sure you saw, um, in Ghost in the Shell, uh, in, like, a lot of the different stuff they talk about there, they would hack people, literally, because if anyone knows the anime, they have people in there that are cyborgs, and they would literally hack the cyborg and make them- one of the opening scenes, this guy doesn't know what he's doing, he thinks he has this whole programmed life of, like, 30 years in reality, he just got hacked this morning, and he thinks he's living out this whole, like, grand scheme, and he has a wife and kids and stuff, but really, it's not even real, it's just fake memories.
shane cashman
Is this what dreams are?
People just hacking us in the simulation?
serge du preez
It, I mean, could be.
Who knows, man.
shane cashman
No, I don't buy it.
tim pool
Dreams are when you log out and you're- Log out?
Yeah, you log out.
shane cashman
Like in Westworld.
serge du preez
There is no AFK.
shane cashman
Westworld is predicted programming.
serge du preez
There is no AFK.
unidentified
Yeah.
No.
hannah claire brimelow
No, thank you.
Did you like Westworld?
Did you watch it?
unidentified
I watched the first season, I think.
Like most people.
tim pool
Yeah, and then everything- And then- Yeah, what happened?
unidentified
Jesse from Breaking Bad got really depressed and I was like, eh.
tim pool
The first season of Westworld was amazing.
It was so intense.
I just binged it, and then the second season, I was like, this is trash.
shane cashman
First season is great.
But I reference that a lot, when we talk about NPCs, because the robots in Westworld couldn't see a door.
So you knew if they couldn't see a door, they're a robot.
And when you talk about NPCs in the alternate reality, they don't see our reality, they're the robots.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
So I just look at that show.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like a test for vampires.
I can't see the reflection.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
And what if we're all NPCs and there are weird, you know, eight foot tall green people who walk around like just laughing and watching the show and they're like, oh, this is so fun.
shane cashman
Yeah, I guess there's a degree of relativism to NPCs because we would be then to the shadow beings or the gray aliens that are walking among us.
tim pool
The shadow beings.
shane cashman
Yeah.
They're here right now.
They're in that chair.
tim pool
Yeah, they're just like, they're watching like it's like a movie.
shane cashman
Yeah.
I'm just like, look at these guys talking about these things.
unidentified
Look at these guys thinking they have free speech.
shane cashman
Free will.
unidentified
They all think they're gonna make millions.
tim pool
There's some fat green-skinned thing sitting next to its fat green-skinned roommate eating popcorn being like, it's really funny that they're debating free speech, but they're all programmed.
shane cashman
Wait till they hit the next level and upgrade this into World War III.
unidentified
Wait till we see what we do with Joe Rogan next.
shane cashman
They're really enjoying their corpse president.
It's so funny.
tim pool
I mean, it certainly doesn't feel like we're in real life, how crazy everything is.
It's just like, You know, people want to look for miracles.
I'm like, well, Donald Trump being president doesn't seem like real life.
Nobody thought it was possible and here he is.
So it's, I don't know what you think miracles are supposed to look like, but all of the crazy stuff that we've seen over the past few years, it really does feel like someone wrote this.
shane cashman
Yeah.
I don't believe we're in a simulation.
I believe that there is a false reality put on top of this reality by the corporate press, by the bureaucrats.
tim pool
Oh, that's true.
shane cashman
And they keep selling it and people buy into that world, which is basically like being in a simulation, which is why we feel like we're in an alternate reality from the people on the left.
tim pool
You think Trump is real?
unidentified
I stopped believing in Trump when I was 12.
You think the 90s was actually a thing?
shane cashman
Yeah, it was too good to be true.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wait, you remember the 90s?
tim pool
Think about what it's going to be like with deepfakes in the future.
They're going to have candidates they just manufacture.
There will be a guy named like, you know, Joe Biden.
Joe Biden.
And everyone watches the videos online and they see him on TV and he doesn't exist.
They're just deepfake creating this.
And everyone's like, I didn't vote for Joe Biden or Bo Jiden.
There's no actual people.
shane cashman
Yeah, dude.
In the future, they're going to, if we have a future, they're going to have debates on whether or not robots should vote.
What it means to be a person.
Can they run for office?
Because they'll be so advanced.
unidentified
Imagine you would have the robots.
tim pool
Next Generation had that episode.
shane cashman
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, I think it's called Measure of a Man.
shane cashman
Interesting.
tim pool
And it's Data, Android, they hold a trial to determine whether or not he's property or a sentient being with rights.
That he was a sentient and had rights.
And it seems also obvious to us now, but we grew up with people having written these ideas out.
And it's been a long time since I saw the episode, but I think there was one where he gets asked by the guy who says he's a machine, basic questions like, how do you know you're alive?
And he just goes, how do you know you're alive?
And the guy's getting frustrated.
He's like, I'm a human being.
I am alive.
And like, and then he asks him, you know, questions.
How do you, how do you, how can you prove?
And he's like, can you?
And the guys can't.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
And they're going to try to redefine what a soul even means if we get to that future where robots are fighting for their ability to vote or even be married legally.
Like, I do see that as like a possible future in the dystopia that we are on right now.
tim pool
And then humans will die off and the robots will take over.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Aw, I'll miss humans, the worst!
tim pool
No, you won't.
It'll be like thousands of years and the last human... Didn't they make a... Like, isn't there like a movie or a show about this?
Where it's like there's only one old human left and everyone else is a robot?
There's that game... What's that cat game?
You guys play that one?
That game's awesome.
You play as a cat and you're in a future where humans have all died and all that's left are
the AI robots that served humans and they've become confused and purposeless and dejected
because there's no longer any humans.
And so you're a cat going around.
hannah claire brimelow
Do they end up listening to cats?
unidentified
Does the cat rally the robots to serve him?
I guess it's the most human thing on the planet.
tim pool
There's multiple levels.
One level it's like the slums and the sewers and everyone's just like, everyone, it's just
robots.
Then there's one level where the security robots have everything locked down and won't
let anyone or anything leave because that was their job.
And so all the robots are just like trapped and stuck and can't do anything.
But then the cat, because you're the cat, it learns how to talk to a robot and then it opens this thing up and then releases the robots and then I guess the premise is now the robots can become the new civilization or something.
unidentified
With the cat as the ruler?
I mean, I have to assume that the cat ends up on top.
hannah claire brimelow
This is cat, like, cat person propaganda for sure.
That only cats will save the AI robot.
tim pool
Yeah, and the cat has like a little backpack with a robot that comes out and like... Adorable.
hannah claire brimelow
I love it.
I'm in.
I'm gonna play this game.
tim pool
I mean, the game's awesome.
Yeah, it's super awesome.
hannah claire brimelow
I understood how video games work.
Don't be off about it.
tim pool
Yeah.
And I remember when the ads came out and it was like showing the cat just like doing cat stuff and like rubbing its face.
hannah claire brimelow
And then you play it.
How can we help you today?
tim pool
Well, so I thought it from the ads, it was just like you get to play as a cat and the
cat knocks things off shelves or whatever.
And then I played it and I was like, oh, it's a sci-fi dystopia where humans have been wiped
out and robots have taken over.
Very different game to what I thought it was going to be.
Yeah, but it was good.
It was fun.
Yeah.
I've thought this for a long time, actually.
Humans are going to create AI and robots with the capabilities of self-replication, and then humans die off for some reason.
And robots are just like, you know, adios.
shane cashman
We got it from here.
Yeah.
We're progressing ourselves out of existence.
unidentified
Robots can live by themselves.
tim pool
Yeah, they don't care.
unidentified
We've got more robots.
tim pool
And they can float through space for 50 billion years just sitting there.
unidentified
And we're going to let them.
We're not going to get in a fight and scorch the sun like the Matrix.
We're just going to be like, hey, no, it's cool.
tim pool
Like, why would robots in AMD fight that way?
If anything, what'll happen is we create rudimentary AI that is too stupid and then just shoves corn on our throats.
Like, humans like corn.
Make more corn.
Corn good.
I mean, because, like, current algorithms Produce insanity.
However, if we actually get to the point where AI is improving itself, it will become some kind of demigod instantly.
The exponential growth curve means it's like within an hour it doubles its intelligence, within an hour it's quadrupled, with another hour it's 10x, then it's a hundred, then a thousand, and it's just- And the human race just lets that happen and doesn't try to stop it at any point.
We are actively building it right now and no one is resisting.
unidentified
No, but after it starts wrestling for control of the world.
tim pool
But there's no circumstance where the AI has to wrestle for control.
We have handed all of the control to it.
unidentified
So you're saying we've already surrendered to the robot?
tim pool
Absolutely.
shane cashman
I criticize Elon a lot, but he has gone to Congress.
tim pool
Look at your algorithmic Facebook and YouTube and Twitter and Instagram.
The robot has decided what you should think, and you can't do anything about it.
Out of sight, out of mind.
I mean, ask yourself why it is that your liberal friends and family members don't know what Joe Biden's doing.
And certainly some people are more responsible than others, but the machine controls what you can see.
And if you can't see the news, you won't know what's happening.
Harry Tubman said, I freed many slaves.
I would have freed many more if only they knew they were slaves.
So I see a post from the Krasen scenes.
You know, we love to rag on these guys.
And it's a clip where someone is talking about the Burisma scandal.
And I think it was Ed, Krenstein said, this is a lie and it was proven a lie.
Imagine that being fed to someone in an algorithm and they believe the Burisma stuff is not true.
Like, Ed's lying.
It is so clearly true, all that stuff that's happened, and there's just piles and piles of evidence.
But you go on Twitter, the For You page sends you false information, and in your mind, you're like, wow, that was a lie.
It was all a lie.
And you believe Joe Biden did not engage in that shakedown.
shane cashman
This is like a problem I had, you know, the Mario Nafal,
whoever that conglomerate of people is on Twitter, you know, the Xfeed wants me to see their posts all the
time.
And recently he shared that the Pawn Stars son died, but he shared the wrong son picture.
Oh wow.
That was out there for hours.
And then eventually it was deleted.
Cause a lot of people were like, you're sharing the wrong son.
But people will have seen that post hundreds of thousands.
And then they'll believe that reality where that person was dead,
which creates a kind of false Mandela effect.
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
And then they're like someone 10 years later, it's like that guy's alive.
hannah claire brimelow
That's not entirely accurate.
One of his sons did die.
shane cashman
Right, but they saw the picture of the other son.
tim pool
So in 10 years, they're going to be like, yeah, They'll be like, no, it was Bill.
Like, shut up, dude.
I remember when that news broke.
shane cashman
We're from different timelines.
tim pool
That's the thing about the Mandela effect, because, are you familiar with it?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's where people believe that there are different timelines or that the timeline changed.
And so some people remember Mandela dying in prison, while others remember that he was released, he didn't die.
And so the Mandela effect is why do so many people believe This happened.
The other one is the Fruit of the Loom.
This is the best one.
So, can you describe the Fruit of the Loom logo?
unidentified
It has fruit on it.
tim pool
And what else?
Like, describe the fruit.
unidentified
Bananas, cherries.
hannah claire brimelow
An apple.
tim pool
And there's nothing else?
hannah claire brimelow
It's got the loom that goes this way, and then the words come into it this way.
shane cashman
Well, Charlie might be from the appropriate timeline.
tim pool
What's the loom?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, the loom refers to, like, the cornucopia basket that tapers at the end.
tim pool
There is no cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you sure?
shane cashman
Well, it depends what timeline you're from.
This is either a failing of advertising and our memories, or it's something to do with the Large Hadron Collider being turned on.
tim pool
Fruit of the Loom!
hannah claire brimelow
But that doesn't mean, like, that could be their current logo.
Logos change over time.
shane cashman
Nope, you can go back and look.
They do claim that it never had a cornucopia.
hannah claire brimelow
Where'd that one from?
shane cashman
What's that?
tim pool
This was shared by someone.
hannah claire brimelow
You've never seen that one?
That's the only one I think about.
shane cashman
So you guys are from different timelines.
hannah claire brimelow
So nice to meet you.
tim pool
Here's the best part.
So you can look up Fruit of the Loom's historical logos.
It never had the cornucopia, but people believe it did.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
There was a rock, like a metal band, that made a gag version.
You know this?
shane cashman
I saw it, yeah.
tim pool
And they put a cornucopia and it's from like the 80s or something.
And so people are like, wait, wait, wait, if they never did this, how did these parodies of it exist with the cornucopia?
shane cashman
It's like with the Berenstain Bears as well.
There's a spelling that some people remember it being.
tim pool
Berenstein.
shane cashman
Berenstein, I guess.
I forget what the spelling is.
tim pool
It was Berenstain.
shane cashman
It was Berenstain.
I don't know.
unidentified
Oh, E-I-N instead of- It's one of those, yeah.
shane cashman
So people constantly think.
There's a whole ton of examples of this.
serge du preez
Yeah, the thing about the Mandela effect is if you're South African, it's like, no.
shane cashman
The real Mandela effect is- That's not what happened.
serge du preez
What are you talking about?
shane cashman
Is that he was actually, he had a great PR team, and they convinced everyone that he wasn't a Marxist, violent, sane person.
serge du preez
Right, right.
Yeah, but I mean, he did spend his time in prison, and he came and reformed, and he did a lot of good things for South Africa.
tim pool
He did.
shane cashman
In the Neuralink, right?
tim pool
I think you explained it perfectly.
At the time when Mandela was in prison, a major news organization somewhere falsely reported his death.
So there's millions of people driving to work in the morning and they hear a report Nelson Mandela has died in prison and it was wrong and they never issued a correction because they lie.
Those people Information in, nothing out.
Forgot about it, don't know, don't care.
10 years later, they hear he's alive and they go, what?
No, no, no, no.
I remember when they said he died and the reality is the media lied.
shane cashman
And I call that, I call those people the engineers of the false reality, the fake simulation that we're not like the zeros and ones kind.
And, uh, they, that they buy into this, they, they create a reality where people buy into it and, uh, it destabilizes all of reality.
So everyone's having these conversations like, wait, that person didn't die or Trump did this or didn't do that.
You know, it's why I feel like we are actually interdimensional.
tim pool
So I guess they added the cornucopia in 2022.
shane cashman
What?
Did we pressure them?
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
There was a cornucopia.
unidentified
Oh, that's so good.
shane cashman
I remember a cornucopia from my childhood.
tim pool
Right.
Well, after the controversy and likely because everyone kept saying it, they went, okay, we'll add that.
And it clearly does not look like it fits.
shane cashman
That's not the one I remember from the timeline I'm from.
serge du preez
Isn't there like some kind of scholastic warfare thing that had a similar logo and was being conflated?
I don't know.
shane cashman
It could be.
tim pool
To disprove the Mandela effect, two friends of mine, I've created fake Mandela effects.
serge du preez
Nice.
tim pool
So the way it works is, memory is very fallible.
So what you do is, you ask them if they remember something very specific and obvious.
So, like, do you remember Power Rangers?
Yes, of course.
And you remember Rita Repulsa?
Yes, of course.
Then you think about something.
Do you remember, uh, uh, the gold and silver monsters that she would have?
And she would make my monster grow, and there was the giant golden ape, and then there was the silver one as well?
And people go, yeah, of course, there was no silver one, I made the one up.
And so the point is, people start thinking in their minds, their brain fills the gap.
Like, I remember Rita, I remember Goldar, and then the silver chimp as well, that was the big one with the wings.
And then they think in their mind just, because they're not really, some people might catch it and they go, ooh, a silver thing?
But many people, your brain will fill the gap because everything made sense except for that one thing, they'll put it in there.
shane cashman
I don't know if you remember this, but this was like an unofficial part of my interview when I first met you.
And you pulled out Mandela Effect, one of the nights, and you were like, I forget what it was, Kellogg or something, what was spelled with two L's, and you printed it out and you're like, well how do you think this was, is this from your timeline?
tim pool
I think I passed, which is why I'm here now.
Yeah, so I did a Kellogg, I believe it's spelled with two G's, right?
shane cashman
I forget now.
tim pool
Or I think it is.
shane cashman
We're in a few different timelines now.
unidentified
We're all gonna get fired.
tim pool
Yeah, Kellogg has two G's in it.
And so I think I did a fake Mandela effect with this, where I actually printed out the logo on something with one G. What's wrong with this picture?
No, the goal was like, how do you spell Kellogg?
I'm pretty sure we printed out a fake label that was identical, but Kellogg was spelled with one G. So we could fake a Mandela effect by saying, How do you spell Kellogg?
And then they're like, oh, it's a K-E-L-L-O-G-G.
It's like, you're wrong.
And we show the box and it's got one G and you're like, whoa.
I always thought it was two Gs.
And then I'm like, now do you remember?
It was always one G. Yeah, you're right.
It was one G. Actually, this is a fake box.
We printed it out.
It's not real.
shane cashman
It's actually spelled two Gs.
It's so easy to convince people.
unidentified
We're not hiring you.
shane cashman
You're out.
You failed the Mandela test.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
Good luck.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chats.
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hannah claire brimelow
But he appreciate you.
tim pool
Yeah, and we're gonna read what y'all have to say.
Here we go.
Triple Flip says, after the whole Texas come and take it flag thing, are barbed wire tattoos cool again?
unidentified
Now if you see a guy with a razor wire in his arm, you're like... Only razor wire.
hannah claire brimelow
It's funny that razor wire is like a symbol of resistance right now.
unidentified
Ted Cruz is actually getting it right now.
We got a request for a poll.
tim pool
We got a request for a poll, is the Mandela effect real?
unidentified
I believe it.
shane cashman
I think, personally, I think there's multiple types of Mandela Effect.
I do think the Large Hadron Collider has affected reality, but I also think there's a type we're talking about where the corporate press has created a false reality and a false history and a false timeline.
tim pool
70% instantly put... right away, yes?
Oh, it's at 78% right now.
And so, uh, votes are coming in.
235, 75% say yes it is.
shane cashman
I know someone whose husband of many years has, uh, it was like last year, she said all of a sudden he thinks there's a light switch where there never was.
I heard that!
And she was like, I think he's from a different timeline.
Like, maybe he is.
tim pool
The, uh, this, this, the Mandela effect resulted in a subculture of, I think it's called dimension jumping.
serge du preez
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And it's where people claim, and I think they're just trolling, but there are forums where they're like, I've successfully jumped into another dimension.
serge du preez
Oh yeah, it's called like skipping or something like that.
It's on TikTok.
It's a TikTok thing that took off.
tim pool
And so, well, well before the TikTok thing.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
The idea was the Mandela effect happens and everyone's like, whoa, but I remember Mandela died.
And then someone goes, you must be from a dimension where he didn't.
Somehow you crossed over.
So the theory is this.
I love it.
Where we are right now in the multiverse is a thread.
Every possible moment, millions of possibilities are emerging, all different timelines.
Every action you could take results in another timeline.
That's the general hypothesis.
And so that means some timelines are very close to each other.
Like today, I woke up and I had two pieces of biltong instead of one.
And so the timelines are almost identical because nothing was changed, but they are separate.
These people believe that if the timelines are close enough, you can jump between them by closing your eyes, sensory deprivation, shutting everything down, and then focusing on that timeline, and then you wake up in the timeline.
However, understand, you cannot jump timelines too far.
So if you got your leg, you lost a leg in an accident, that timeline split is so intense that you can't make the leap.
unidentified
Can't jump that.
tim pool
That's too far.
hannah claire brimelow
But you could only jump to right before you went to that place.
tim pool
No, it just depends on if the timeline is close enough.
So the variations in time can't be so different to where the leap is too far.
So typically they say it's things where it's like, you accidentally did something you want to undo, and there are people who legitimately are like, this morning I blew a red light and got pulled over, closed my eyes, and boom, I woke up, I was driving, and instantly I was driving again, stopped at the red light, the cop was gone, and it's like, I swear I did it.
shane cashman
And it's like, okay, man, this is like organic Neuralink.
tim pool
They can jump dimensions.
Now what's really happening is people online are bored and they're lying about it to see if they can get a rise out of people.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
But there, there is a theory, I forget the name of it, where every, they say every moment of your life is like a still frame and that it's infinite.
And it goes on forever like that and to a varying degree.
So you're kind of, they, they believe that you could be immortal.
unidentified
If you look at that.
serge du preez
Mandela died in 2013.
No he didn't.
shane cashman
He died in, in prison.
Didn't he?
serge du preez
Who did?
shane cashman
2013?
So you're saying he died after Large Hadron Collider was turned on?
serge du preez
No.
tim pool
Alright, let's read some more.
Let's read some more superchats.
Alright.
Chaved BM says, first fact, Ilhan Omar married her brother.
unidentified
Oh, he says to deport her.
tim pool
I believe that based on the reporting from the Star Tribune, it is likely she did.
The Star Tribune, I can't believe it.
You know, honestly, when the Star Tribune said she may have married her brother, and they did, I was actually surprised.
That is racist.
But such a storied publication can't be wrong, can they?
hannah claire brimelow
It's a different culture.
You couldn't understand.
tim pool
I read an article from Star Tribune that said new information has come to light suggesting that Ilhan Omar may have married her brother or something like that.
And I read it and I went, whoa!
Holy crap!
This is like a major publication.
This is not some fly-by-night fake news website.
It's certified by NewsGuard.
And then I think it was Media Matters or they were like, Tim Pool claims.
And I was like, I most certainly did not.
hannah claire brimelow
Excuse me?
tim pool
I was like, man, gee, I can't even read the news.
All right.
Here we go.
DJ Madero says, I believe President Joe Biden will make this country what it once was.
An arctic wasteland covered in snow.
Yeah.
Jackson Glass says, hey Tim, do you guys put stuff in the coffee?
I bought some for my leftist aunt and for the first time in 20 years she agreed with my conservative grandpa.
hannah claire brimelow
We just put love in it and that's how you win people over.
Love and compassion.
tim pool
But it depends on if you gave her the prime time sign two times caffeine because that has more caffeine in it.
Drink responsibly.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
Steven says, correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no congressional authorization of military use.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
This is Joe Biden being like, we're gonna blow them up!
That's their game, man.
unidentified
Launch the missiles.
tim pool
X10man says, draft lawyers and judges.
Adjudicate all of the asylum claims.
Get it done.
Get them out.
Hannah Clare, you are British, but you always have the nicest teeth.
What's up with that?
hannah claire brimelow
It's an illusion.
It's AI.
unidentified
Just kidding.
tim pool
It's a filter.
hannah claire brimelow
Yep.
tim pool
Actually, no teeth at all.
hannah claire brimelow
Don't tell him the secret!
I'm not married yet!
You know, I can't let anyone know until I've trapped a man.
tim pool
Then the filter comes off.
What do we got?
Brian Jesus from a Border Patrol friend.
He said, Border Patrol arrests all they come in contact with that crosses the border.
ICE is in charge of all the transportation.
And so you have, on video, CBP opening the gates at the bollard fence and counting them as they walk in.
Okay, so that's them committing crimes.
And you have videos of them taking them and bringing them into vans and transporting them to their NGO destinations.
I get it.
And ICE is responsible for the transportation inside the country.
Totally agree.
I apologize to the CBP agents who I did not include your brothers in ICE who are working domestically to engage in human smuggling.
But on the border, you work with the cartels, let them in, you're responsible.
ICE, good point, they're responsible too.
Can't leave them out.
Jordan Cogburn says, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the feds teamed up with the cartels to police cities and fight against citizens.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the cartels were working for the government.
And they were just black operations.
shane cashman
Could be an extension of Operation Fast and Furious.
tim pool
Yeah, like, why did we send them guns?
What if the real scandal is... So they can bring them back over.
shane cashman
Exactly.
tim pool
Well, what, right.
Like, we wanted to give them guns so we could track them.
What if the real scandal is actually they work for the CIA?
Right.
And they provide cover for U.S.
operations in Mexico?
shane cashman
Yeah, it's a whole thing to cover.
tim pool
I mean, what about the CIA and crack epidemic and all that stuff?
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
Who was that journalist who committed suicide by shooting himself twice in the head when he was uncovering the CIA drug scandal?
shane cashman
I forget his name.
tim pool
Someone want to Google it?
The chat will get it, I'm sure.
Yeah, he committed suicide by shooting himself twice in the head.
shane cashman
Impressive.
hannah claire brimelow
Classic.
Typical way to go when it's suicide.
tim pool
And they were like, but look, depending on how you do it, you can survive a shot to the head.
People think it was execution style or whatever, but it's still a crazy story.
What was that guy's name?
Everybody, the chat I know knows his name.
Someone's gonna say his name.
Clank.
serge du preez
No, that's... No, that's not, that's a... That's a, that's a six hex name reference.
Could be, I don't know.
I can't see the chat right now.
tim pool
I guess nobody's saying his name.
hannah claire brimelow
I'll Google it.
tim pool
Now it's gonna, now all of a sudden it's gonna go boom!
Uh, David Webb.
Wait, Gary Webb.
There you go.
Yeah, that was it right?
Gary Webb?
Yep.
There you go.
Alright.
Thinker4Life says, Biden's importing voters to use the Voting Rights Law of 1993 to win.
We must make flyers in Spanish and inform these illegals that all dems stand for the communism that they flee and child sex changes.
They are not going to vote.
They are going to bolster congressional districts to give themselves more electoral college votes.
They don't need to vote.
We are not a direct democracy.
This is the thing a lot of conservatives make the mistake of.
They're like, they're gonna vote!
We're not a direct democracy.
They don't need to vote.
They just need to use the census to say there's a million people, so we need another district and another electoral college vote.
And that's even worse because now these people have no voice at all.
Democrats are bringing in congressional districts where like half the population are second class citizens who can't vote.
unidentified
That makes sense why they made such a huge stink out of it when Trump tried to revise the census.
tim pool
Exactly.
When he said citizenship on the thing like, no, no, stop him, stop him.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the craziest thing.
unidentified
Tell me exactly what you're doing without using the words to say exactly what you're doing.
tim pool
And then that opens the door to, we only count citizens towards the congressional apportionment.
hannah claire brimelow
Doesn't that seem crazy?
unidentified
That we would only count citizens?
tim pool
Pando says grandma's on her deathbed.
Uncle trying to come to US via emergency visa but was denied.
Can't believe it.
They just let everyone through the border.
I had a friend from Ukraine who wanted to come to the United States and couldn't get a visa.
And she was like, I know though that if I go to Mexico, I can walk right in and they'll let me in.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, it's a weird thing.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
That's, that's how they do it, I guess.
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Megamikey says, the Democrats are trying desperately to invoke a violent right response.
Why won't Republican AGs press criminal charges against Biden?
You literally just answered your own question, Tim.
Filing a criminal charge is not a violent response.
What are you, what are you saying?
I don't understand what you're saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's literally like Biden, you're hereby ordered to report to court tomorrow morning and then they're going to be like, you can't do it.
He's immune.
I'm like, okay, great.
We agree.
Case dismissed.
Trump's you're immune.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
It's over.
serge du preez
Good move.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Let's go.
The Sig P says, The invasion is China's doing.
Watch Tucker's podcast.
There is no doubt in my mind that Biden isn't actually treasonous and in bed with China.
I would agree.
Yeah, I think.
Not that there's no doubt in my mind, but I think there's a strong likelihood that he's in the pocket of China because of the deals that they were running in the past and they got dirt.
serge du preez
Yeah.
I've been calling him Joe by Jen for a long time now.
unidentified
Joe by Jen.
tim pool
Joe Jinping.
serge du preez
Yes, pretty much.
tim pool
Let's grab some more super jets.
Eric Vegas has pensions make you slaves.
The system is perfect.
They lock you in and they can take it away from you and people get scared.
They don't want to they don't want to speak out and then they're willing to commit crimes.
serge du preez
Can't risk it.
Yeah.
shane cashman
The golden handcuffs.
serge du preez
Yep, literally.
tim pool
Fat Sean says, make I, you mean make it, the fiduciary responsibility of the corporations to assist in deportation.
Make it a $50,000 fine to hire them and a $5,000 tax credit to turn them in.
That actually is a bad idea.
So, I watched a documentary a long time ago about what a lot of these companies near the border would do.
Advertise in Mexico, come work, jobs available.
Don't come to this country!
there was like no bollard fencing at all, get hired, they come to this corporation and say,
yeah, I'm from Mexico, I saw your flyer, and they say, perfect, work,
and then we'll pay you a lot of money.
And then as soon as the pay period ended, they'd call ICE.
They'd be like, how much do I owe you, a thousand?
Okay, ICE, I got an illegal immigrant here.
And they'd come and take them and ship them back.
And they wouldn't, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Don't come to this country, we treat you terribly.
tim pool
Seriously.
Evil stuff.
And it was like Republicans and Koch brothers who wanted to bring in this cheap labor.
Next, The Slayer says, Yes, people with handoff policies lead to a downfall from bad ideologies, but keep in mind that if Christians pushed harder, we'd have no rock music, D&D, or video games.
It's better to try new logically consistent things than stop when once damning data comes out.
Yo, I don't understand Look, being like, it's a board game, well, we don't like the board game, we should get rid of it, then we fight, we go, okay, fine, we'll accept the board game.
It's very different from child sex changes.
You know what I mean?
Like, I will have an argument over someone as to why my board game's allowed, and accept their capitulation to allow my board game, but we can all agree, like, the child sex change thing is going too far.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
Way too far.
tim pool
You know what's crazy is we were in the green room downstairs, we'll put on music right before we're getting ready for the show and stuff, and on auto-rotation, I Write Sins Not Tragedies came up, Panic at the Disco, they censored the word God in goddamn.
And that was like mid-2000s.
On YouTube, they would not say goddamn, they censored that.
unidentified
Weak, dude.
tim pool
And Magic the Gathering has a card called Unholy Strength, had a pentagram on it.
They removed it because of outrage.
They were like, we don't want our kids seeing this.
They said, okay, so that the new version, the new set got rid of it.
So I think we actually have one over there.
I think in the case, we have an original Unholy Strength with the pentagram in it that was removed.
It's not really worth that much, but it is a little bit more valuable.
unidentified
But hey, there you go.
Simpler times.
tim pool
All right.
Alan Shower says, Tim, as a Star Trek The Next Generation fan, you must know the outcome of the meta is Moriarty.
Interesting story arc in The Next Generation.
So the AI, there's an AI that runs everything, right?
You go, computer, do this, and it does.
And so they have the holodeck where they could go in and say, computer, run program simulation, and they tell it what to do, and then it'll make whatever they want.
And so they're trying to do like a Sherlock Holmes, and so Data is in there as Sherlock or whatever, and so they ask the computer to make a villain that would be difficult for Data to solve, but Data being like a super intelligent AI, the AI creates a sentient being in the holodeck who takes the ship over by taking, like, and it's Moriarty, the villain, and he's like, I'm alive.
As soon as they run the program, Moriarty in the program realizes, the program realizes it's a program, Moriarty the character in the program, and then confronts, like, I think it's Picard, and he's like, what am I and what are you?
Tell me the truth.
And they explain, and instantly he's like, I don't want to be a villain.
This is not who I am.
I want to know what life is and I want to live.
And they're like, whoa.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And then in Voyager, So the problem was he can't leave the holodeck because it's just light projections and he's a program, but then in Voyager they created portable holographic projectors.
So the doctor is a hologram and he's in a room.
He can't leave that room or he can't leave areas without holographic projectors, but then eventually they create mobile projectors he can wear, which create a physical form made of light from a small device.
I think that was the end of Voyager.
Sci-fi is fun, you just make stuff up, you know what I mean?
shane cashman
You remember when they did a hologram Wolf Blitzer?
Was it Wolf Blitzer?
tim pool
Yeah!
Was it Wolf Blitzer?
shane cashman
Or maybe Wolf Blitzer was in the room and they hologrammed someone else in the room.
It's a great moment.
tim pool
Silly.
Silly.
Justin Lied says, why haven't you talked about the Gavin Newsom story?
The governor of the largest state in America admitted to going full Karen on a target employee.
I mean, it was interesting, but I just don't think it, right, it like, we load up all these stories, but then if we don't get to it, we don't get to it.
So if it's story is not big, but basically he was like, they were blaming me for the shoplifting.
And he's like, we've got the 10th toughest law in the country, $950.
He's like, he's like, and then he said, he watched someone just steal stuff.
And he's like, why am I paying for this?
So they can just walk out.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think you understand.
tim pool
This dude is so detached from reality.
It's amazing.
unidentified
He's so detached from reality, but at the same time, the way he speaks, he's trying to be authentic.
And it kind of rings, it kind of makes him look like a psychopath.
hannah claire brimelow
Mhm.
Perhaps he is.
shane cashman
I've stood next to him.
He's a psychopath.
tim pool
You wouldn't believe the amount of trash along that wall.
People throwing their IDs from China or any other country.
activists need to clean up the mess to stop the climate change. That's how we
shane cashman
show them what's wrong. You wouldn't believe the amount of trash along that wall. People throw in
their IDs from China or any other country. I think Trump had it wrong though. When he
tim pool
said he wanted to build a big beautiful wall 30 feet tall from
sea to shining sea.
It's a 30-foot trench.
You gotta build a 30-foot trench.
unidentified
Okay?
shane cashman
And fill it with alligators.
tim pool
There's water.
shane cashman
Yeah.
unidentified
So it's a moat.
tim pool
I don't know about alligators, just... There you go, water.
shane cashman
For fun.
tim pool
For fun.
shane cashman
The wall, it is beautiful.
It looks like a piece of modern art when you see it.
tim pool
What is a humane deterrent we could put at the border that is not alligators in a moat?
Maybe... spoiled milk.
You know, like nobody gets hurt, but boy, you do not want to be down there.
There's like a rancher and he's like, this is hell.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's too bad because like, at least in Arizona where I was, it's all lettuce farms right there on the wall.
That would be terrible.
tim pool
What about like...
A thirty foot trench full of rats.
unidentified
Snakes.
shane cashman
What I was saying is that they should turn the border wall into a 24-7 reality show like Ninja Warrior.
unidentified
Because at least then it would be entertaining.
shane cashman
We could film it, we could make money off it.
tim pool
They have like the best times?
shane cashman
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
What if Mexico was doing that, though?
Like, this is like another country, it's like, we already filmed this, it's hilarious.
tim pool
Okay, here's what we do.
There's two ports of entry next to each other.
One is that you walk up and apply with piece of paper, and the other is a Ninja Warrior course that if you get passed, you're in, baby!
You made it!
unidentified
No!
hannah claire brimelow
That's not enough of a reason to let people into this country!
It is amusing, though.
serge du preez
Hey, but that's like the best and the brightest.
Like, that's a good reason.
tim pool
It's the brightest!
hannah claire brimelow
What are you talking about?
unidentified
That's a skill test, right?
That's how we know we can beat them in the military.
I feel like you guys don't understand culture or loyalty here.
tim pool
Watching them, like, do the salmon ladder, where it's like, you pull apart.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, I love skill tech.
American Ninja Warrior is great, but I will emphasize American Ninja Warrior.
I think it's important that we have culture and loyalty and patriotism.
And I think if you're trying to scale the wall to break into this country illegally, you're not doing the values I appreciate.
serge du preez
Who wants to be an American Ninja?
unidentified
Hold on, I got an idea.
tim pool
It's the right title.
Who Wants to be an American Ninja Warrior?
It's a combination of Who Wants to be a Millionaire and American Ninja Warrior where after every obstacle you have to answer a question about the United States.
shane cashman
With increasing difficulty.
hannah claire brimelow
And then you have to agree that you will never take part in chain migration.
There has to be a little bit more here.
tim pool
No, we just make that not legal.
hannah claire brimelow
Sure, I'd be happy to do that, but until then...
shane cashman
Okay, can we produce this?
Is this a 10K show now?
unidentified
Who wants to be an American Ninja Warrior?
tim pool
Earn your citizenship in 20 minutes by running this course and answering all of the questions with increasing difficulty.
And then, or how about you have to answer the question while doing the course?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So you're like on the salmon ladder and you're like, the third president with John Adams!
unidentified
Was it?
tim pool
No, it was Thomas Jefferson, right?
shane cashman
Uh oh, you gotta go back.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I'm bad at my presidents.
All right, here we go.
FringePatriotGaming says, Hey Tim, this question may be pointless if we actually head into World War 3, but are you interested in sponsoring other people with Cast Brew?
If so, what's the best way to contact your team?
We are!
But so far, I think we only have one person we're sponsoring just now.
I don't know if we can say it just yet.
I think it's probably obvious who it is.
hannah claire brimelow
It's me.
Don't even worry about it, guys.
tim pool
But once we get all that sorted, maybe.
For now, I don't know what we're doing.
It's also like, if we sponsor somebody, we have to make more money than we give them in sponsorships.
So if we're sponsoring someone and it's costing us X amount of dollars, but we're making X minus one dollar, then...
You know, with like a slight loss, it might still be worth it just for building brand by having, you know, sponsorships.
But ultimately, you have to sell more than you're spending.
Otherwise, you just lose, you just shut down, you know?
Alright, Joseph Velvet says, Tim, do you remember the civil response to the Bundy ranch situation?
Yes, I do.
He says, Texas feels like that again.
I remember that we had Em and Bunny on the show, and boy, are they trying to destroy that guy's life.
That's crazy.
unidentified
All right!
tim pool
Frontline Tekken says, Hey Tim, considering you mentioned we used to be a Christian country, would you consider getting Doug Wilson on the show sometime?
I don't know who he is, but... No idea.
unidentified
Maybe!
serge du preez
Never heard of that.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe, uh... Just spelled Doug Wilson?
Culture war is usually better for long cultural conversations and arguments and stuff.
Whereas, like, IRL, we go through news stories.
Uh, let's grab, uh, grab one more here.
Albedam says, how about a trench with friggin' sharks with friggin' lasers on their friggin' heads?
There you go, there you go.
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We got a couple of documentaries, we're making more, it's just, it's expensive.
And, uh, the more members we have, the more we can do, the more we can hire.
And we are basically, we're at that point.
So we need to, we need to pitch better.
I'll tell you, the one thing we don't have is the members team, which all these other companies do have, where they call people on the phone and say, Hey, I see that you, uh, canceled your membership.
Can we convince you to sign back up?
And what was the reason?
We don't do any of that.
Cause we're like operating on duct tape over here.
serge du preez
Yeah.
We're also America first.
We don't outsource that to Bangladesh.
tim pool
No, but like some of these other podcasts, they have like two guys in the office.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
Go through the list making phone calls.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought it was funny, Serge.
tim pool
And I'm like, I don't know.
Should we do that?
Maybe.
shane cashman
Perhaps.
tim pool
Maybe we get more people to sign back up.
Well, because I used to work for, when I used to do the non-profit fundraising, some people would be like, you'd call them and they'd say, no, I'm still a member.
And they'd be like, uh, your payment stopped going through.
And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry.
Here's my new, my new information.
And then you're like, cool.
Some people don't even realize they aren't members anymore.
And some people have like a card, kick them off or whatever.
But yeah, that's what it is.
unidentified
The expired card, the worst enemy of a subscription company.
tim pool
Yup.
shane cashman
Yup.
tim pool
And so maybe that's what we gotta do.
We gotta just call people.
But anyway, my friends, thank you for being members.
Really do appreciate it.
You make it all possible.
And we'll be back, of course, Monday.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Charlie, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified
At Charlie Spearing.
The book is Amateur Hour, Kamala Harris and the White House.
It's available on Amazon and wherever books are sold.
Sweet.
hannah claire brimelow
That's awesome.
It's been fun having you here.
It's been a blast.
Yeah, it's been so fun.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Scanner News.
I'm really grateful to be a part of that team.
You can follow all of our work at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b and I'm on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Guys, thank you so much for everything you do.
Shane, so fun to see you again.
shane cashman
I love the SCNR team.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they're awesome.
shane cashman
It's amazing.
I've got some stories up there.
I've got the Inverted World books you can find.
And we've got the Inverted World live show happening soon.
I'm excited for that.
It'll be Sundays.
We're going to have people calling in possibly with some crazy stories.
hannah claire brimelow
In a couple weeks?
Or do you guys have a launch date?
shane cashman
I think we don't have a date yet, but it should be pretty soon.
Cool.
And it's going to be a lot of fun.
So I can't wait to see you all there.
Thank you guys for having me.
serge du preez
I am Serge.com.
Another week for the books done and dusted.
Let's go enjoy that weekend, y'all.
tim pool
Oh, I'm so excited.
We've got, what, one more week till the Super Bowl after this weekend?
serge du preez
Yep, one more.
tim pool
We're gonna have a Super Bowl party.
It's gonna be a blast.
Everybody, thanks so much for hanging out.
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