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tim pool
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unidentified
Wrong button.
serge du preez
We gotta- We gotta- Change your- Oh.
unidentified
Yep.
serge du preez
Change your thing.
tim pool
No, no, no.
It's live already.
Just- Just roll with it.
Just- Just fix it.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Cause everyone's watching this now.
serge du preez
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
Hello, everyone!
unidentified
Welcome!
tim pool
The member's only when the stream deck isn't changed properly and it pulls up the wrong set of, uh, video.
serge du preez
Okay.
Good to go.
tim pool
Uh, we can't switch it ba- The chat and everything.
We gotta s- Can we switch it back?
serge du preez
Uh, profile-wise?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Like this- My steam- My- My stream deck also didn't change either.
unidentified
Uh... I don't understand how that would've...
serge du preez
What the hell, dude?
tim pool
Right, so let me just, uh... Oh, that's it?
It didn't change?
serge du preez
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm trying to figure out why that did that.
See, that's the correct thing.
tim pool
Oh, okay, great.
unidentified
Then I'll press... There we go!
See?
hannah claire brimelow
Problem fixed!
tim pool
Okay, so here's the story.
Some 32-year-old woman smoked pot and then instantly just grabbed the knife and started screaming and just stabbed a guy a hundred times to death and then started stabbing herself.
And she said that after smoking weed she thought she was dead and that the only way to come back to life was to murder the other guy.
She got no jail time.
unidentified
Cannabis induced psychosis.
libby emmons
You shouldn't get off for that, like you chose to get super fucked up and then you killed somebody.
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
tim pool
I am no longer in favor of legalized marijuana.
libby emmons
I'm actually not either, but I was never really in favor of legalization.
derrick evans
Did they purchase this from a legalized place or was this something on the street that was laced with something?
tim pool
I don't know, she was smoking with her friend.
But so, I want to clarify.
I am still in favor of heavily regulated, circumstantial...
I should probably clarify that.
I don't think you should go to jail for pot.
I think it should be heavily regulated because of that reason.
I just think we should have heavy weights on it to make it almost impossible to do.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think you should go to jail for murder.
derrick evans
Regardless of what the reason was.
libby emmons
I agree with going to jail for murder, especially if you stab someone a hundred times.
derrick evans
I went to jail for protesting.
tim pool
Marijuana is a deep state plot to weaken and shatter the minds of people in this country and turn them into retards.
libby emmons
I think that's a big part of it.
When you walk around also in American cities where weed is legal, it's really disgusting and gross.
unidentified
Like everyone's just walking around getting stoned Pooping in the streets of San Francisco.
libby emmons
Pooping, yeah.
I saw, when I lived in Brooklyn, I looked out my window and I saw people pooping on my car.
derrick evans
Goodness.
On your car?
libby emmons
On my car, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
And then you're like, I'm moving to West Virginia.
libby emmons
No, it was years before.
derrick evans
Birds do that in West Virginia.
I've never known a human being.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I mean, what I find interesting about the conversations around marijuana is, I remember it all started with medical work.
If you're going through chemo, you should be able to smoke weed because it helps the nausea or like whatever else.
And I can understand like empathy for me.
I'm one of the things that disturbs me most that it's also regularly linked to like the first appearance of psychological disorders like schizophrenia or whatever else and so you don't know what your risk factors are until you just start using weed and like there's there's or like any kind of drug and so It's hard because I can recognize that for us to study the effects of marijuana in some capacity, at least the way our government works right now, it has to be acknowledged as something that has to be regulated in some way and permitted in some capacity for study.
Because that's the only way we get answers about it.
On the other hand, being like, it's recreational and it could potentially be totally fine for you, but also potentially really ruin your life, it seems weird that we're sort of like rolling out recreational marijuana.
derrick evans
I think everybody can agree with removing it from the Schedule 1.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I don't know anyone who says, no, it needs to stay at Schedule 1.
unidentified
I don't know anyone who's beating that drum.
libby emmons
If I may, there's a huge difference between weed now and post-legalization and the weed that used to be available, just street weed.
So if you perhaps were buying things like dime bags in the 90s, You would get seeds, there'd be seeds in there, there'd be stems.
It would not be like heavy-duty potent weed.
And I remember talking to my cousin years and years later, like after, you know, weeds leak and he still smokes a lot of weed and whatever.
And it's like really, it's really strong.
It's way stronger than it used to be.
My mom told me about that too.
She used to smoke weed in the sixties or whatever.
And she used to tell me about taking mescaline and like going to the park with her friends.
serge du preez
Those people took like 500 doses of LSD in like a bowl though, so like, let's be very clear about that.
libby emmons
But the weed is way stronger now than it used to be.
serge du preez
500 doses of LSD is very strong.
libby emmons
Well, it's not stronger than 500 doses of LSD, but you wouldn't take 500 doses of LSD at once.
serge du preez
People back then did.
libby emmons
No, no, that's ridiculous.
serge du preez
They had little bowls.
libby emmons
Like what, blotter?
Like little blotter?
serge du preez
No, no, no.
I'm not talking about that.
This is for people in the early days.
libby emmons
It would be like liquid LSD?
What would be the form?
serge du preez
Liquid LSD is really strong.
I'll show you some videos of it in a little bit if you want to.
derrick evans
Have you guys seen this stuff about Charlotte's Web, the strain of weed for Charlotte's Web?
It's named after this little girl named Charlotte, and what they did is they bred this cannabis to be very low in THC and high in something else.
Remember what it is?
It combats seizures.
Yeah this little girl was having massive seizures and the parents didn't know what else to do so they go to this guy and say hey we want to give this to our little girl and at first he was like no and finally the mom was like just come spend a day with us and see this and he saw what the family's going through so he said okay.
And then it, you know, obviously didn't cure her completely, but it was a drastic change in that.
And so they started breeding this cannabis specifically to be low in THC and high in the other stuff for that.
And so that's why it's like, I don't know how anyone could argue for it, and no one here is, but to stay on schedule one and to where there's definitely medicinal benefits to this in some aspect or another.
tim pool
I'll clarify.
I think it should be legal because, but heavily regulated.
three if by treachery in unknown
Yeah.
tim pool
And the issue with legality is that it created hyper potent psycho strains.
It used to be like exactly what you're saying.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Even the 90s, my friends have told me the same thing.
It's gone nuts because now, oh, it's legal.
Now they're breeding and making the craziest shit imaginable and you're getting this super ultra dense drug.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How you regulate it, It's gotta be something about THC levels, things like that.
And, uh, it's tough.
But I think it should be heavily discouraged.
Uh, I don't think people should smoke.
And I think it's funny that people try to make the argument that it's, you're fine, it's, you know, whatever.
And I'm like, dude... The people I know who are potheads are obviously potheads.
And they are not high-functioning people.
derrick evans
They didn't have to tell you that they were a pothead.
tim pool
That's right!
You kind of just figured it out.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think it can have a really negative effect.
And again, if- because I generally like, you know, natural medicine or whatever else, there's a- there's an instinct to be like, well, if this could benefit you, how do we cultivate it?
So your story about Trellis, that's like a perfect example.
But people who I know who smoked early and often, Their lives and personalities change because of it.
I know people say it's not addictive, but anything could be habit-forming, and I think that that is something that we really have to guard against, especially in a society of young people who feel- consistently report feeling uninspired, feeling hopeless, feeling like the world's against them, the environment's getting too hot, they're never gonna be able to get a house, like this, uh, I must just retreat into myself and sort of detach from the world because it's all going down the drain is- is Real enough, we don't need to add anything else to discourage people from being ambitious and from taking care of themselves and going out.
tim pool
Let's clarify, too.
I'm talking about recreational use.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, people are saying, like, I have pain and stuff.
Like, no, no, no, that's fine, that's fine.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think, like, it's, in some ways, you know, of course, there are times I want to compare it to alcohol.
Like, there are people who can handle alcohol, there are people who cannot.
There are ways to drink responsibly.
There are ways to be reckless and put other people in danger.
And I think that could be true too of marijuana, but it's just the fact that with marijuana, we live in this weird thing where it's recreational in some places, but also we are not totally aware of all of the long-term effects.
tim pool
Okay, now this guy's got potato here.
He says, thank God Tim sells coffee.
Shitting on vaping now weed.
I have absolutely zero issues with vaping.
I don't care if you vape.
Go vape.
In fact, go smoke.
Go smoke a cigar.
Go smoke marijuana.
I think vaping is bad for you.
I think smoking cigarettes is bad for you.
I think cigars are bad for your gums and your teeth.
I think marijuana is bad for you, but whatever, go do it.
I think marijuana should be regulated because it is a highly potent drug, and there are regulations even on coffee.
We just saw Panera get sued into oblivion.
But my point about vaping is not the vape.
It's assholes.
Like, if you got in my car, and I'm driving, and you went, and then spat on the back of my chair, I'd be like, what the fuck, dude?
libby emmons
Yeah, what the fuck indeed.
tim pool
We're driving in a car down the highway.
We're going to get lunch.
The windows are rolled up.
And then all of a sudden, the whole car fills with vape.
And I was like, who the fuck just did that?
And they're all my bad.
I'm like, are you joking, dude?
Roll down your window.
I don't care that you're vaping.
Just blow the fuck out the window.
That's what I'm talking about.
derrick evans
Well, not only that, and to your point, I mean, we were talking a second ago, I mean, it's your insurance here.
And it's very well stated in the email that I received before coming here.
There's signs out, you know, out there to not vape here on the property.
And that's not even your rule.
That's the insurance rule regardless.
But even if it was your rule, it wouldn't matter.
And so to then blatantly disrespect that, I think is a whole other A beach trip turned breakdown is a drag.
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derrick evans
It's not like to your point.
It's not just the vaping.
It's that we got that's the only rule I was actually given when I was coming on the show was don't smoke or vape.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, this is like I think just generally the idea of common courtesy and being like if someone has a rule about their house, right?
I'm like you have to take your shoes off before you come into my house.
libby emmons
I hate that rule, but I do abide by it.
hannah claire brimelow
But if it's someone else.
libby emmons
You know why?
Because I'm sorry go ahead.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I was gonna say, like, I personally get frustrated when people just, like, leave trash in my car, you know?
Like, if you have to put it down, not a big deal, but if you just continuously always leave trash in my car, that feels disrespectful to me, right?
Like, you are ultimately saying I have to clean up after you.
I think that there are things that people do that, you know, they're like, oh, it's not that big a deal because they don't think about the consequences or basically what they're communicating to the other person.
You want to talk about the shoes-off rule?
serge du preez
I think everyone can be more courteous, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
They can be part of your outfit, for sure.
But if you felt like, I always have to clean this floor and whatever else, like, I'm not gonna freak out at you, you know, maybe I'll just suggest we hang out outside your home.
serge du preez
If you live in a city, though, and you walk around with your shoes inside your house, it's disgusting.
Know what I mean?
unidentified
For sure.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's pretty good.
hannah claire brimelow
Or, like, people have the, like, no shoes on the bed rule.
Like, why?
It would be annoying if someone was like, oh, okay, but I'm just gonna make an exception for myself to this rule.
Like, why?
tim pool
This is what we've had people do.
There's big signs on the door, no smoking, no vaping.
On the inside, the same thing.
And then, literally, they try to hide their vape, go in the bathroom, and I'm just ready to be like, Get the fuck out of my house.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Get the fuck out, you fucking asshole.
Like, bro, we will give you an escort.
I will carry you.
You can vape.
I don't care.
But the fact that you're trying to hide it after we asked you not to do it?
Like, I don't care if it's vaping, I don't care if it's your shoes, I don't care if you're taking a dump, whatever.
We told you not to do it.
Like, just don't.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and no one who smokes a cigarette who's been on the show has just, like, sat in here and whatever.
Like, why is it that with vaping you feel like it's okay, but you wouldn't, like, sit in here?
libby emmons
Because they can hide it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they can hide it, except we see the smoke, right?
libby emmons
You used to think that with, um, with cigarettes.
I mean, I used to, like, when you go on planes in the 80s, people would be smoking.
The back was the smoking section.
And you'd end up, like, sitting there.
hannah claire brimelow
Which seems like a weirdly, obviously, like, not effective thing.
libby emmons
It was terrible.
I remember that.
derrick evans
And we were going to restaurants, smoking or non.
And then you sit right beside of the, there's like an imaginary wall, apparently it's supposed to stop.
libby emmons
And it didn't work.
tim pool
Oh, I fucking hate it, dude.
libby emmons
I always was in the smoking section with my parents, cause they, my, my dad and stepmom, they smoked.
And so wherever we were, we were in the smoking section and like, it wasn't until years later that I realized, oh, when you hang out with a lot of smokers, uh, your hair starts to smell really bad.
tim pool
So at the Hollywood casino, it's an all, it's basically all smoking except for the poker room.
derrick evans
It's crazy.
tim pool
And it's funny how everyone hates it.
Everyone.
Very few people like and want smoking, but a very small amount of people like smoking.
So it's funny, when you're in the poker room, the moment someone smells smoke, everyone's like, what the fuck?!
What the fuck?!
Because the poker room's no smoking, and the slots next to it are no smoking, and they'll actually call security and be like, get that guy out of here.
The rest of the casino, you'll be sitting down playing like a table game, playing blackjack or something.
Someone will sit down- Oh, it's the worst thing ever.
They'll sit down right next to you, and they'll light up a cigarette and just hold it right next to you, and they're like, fuck off, we're allowed to do it.
And I'm just like, ah, leave.
But that's like a dick move.
Back when they were banning smoking in public places, back in Chicago, I was pro-smoking in businesses.
I said, if a business wants smoking, that's their business.
Don't tell them they can't have it.
That makes no sense.
And I'm like, if I go to a restaurant, everybody's smoking inside, I'll leave.
I got no beef.
You guys like it.
You want to be here.
Who the fuck am I to come here and tell you not to do it?
If I'm sitting down at a restaurant, at the bar, eating a cheeseburger, and you show up, sit down next to me, and then light a cigarette next to me, you're a dick.
derrick evans
Agreed.
tim pool
That's it.
So, you know, that's my thing.
Now, my thing is, I love vape.
Vape is awesome.
You guys go vape.
Get your vapes, get your whatever you want.
Have vape parties.
That's cool, man.
You do you.
You ride your motorcycles while vaping.
But when you come to this place, and we say, hey, you can't vape inside, and then you go, fuck you, I'm gonna do it anyway, I'm gonna kick you out.
libby emmons
Well, it's rude if somebody asks you not to.
I like those restaurants though, or bars or whatever that are smoking.
You go in and everybody's smoking.
There's this bar in New York that's like that.
And you go in and everyone's having a cigar and drinking a scotch.
hannah claire brimelow
Cigar bars can be really cool.
libby emmons
You don't want to hang out there all night necessarily, but I kind of like it.
If you know what you're going for, then go for it.
It's not like eating a cheeseburger though.
tim pool
It was funny, when they started banning smoking in public places, in Arizona, there was a bar that had cut out something like a one square foot hole in their ceiling, because that made it legally outside.
unidentified
Oh, how about that?
libby emmons
Clever, clever.
tim pool
It was something like that, and a bunch of places were doing things like that.
They would create, like, indoor-outdoor, and they'd be like, okay, what's the legal requirement for outdoor?
derrick evans
And it's like, well, I guess a roof has to be this, and I do love the creativeness of people when the government does start infringing on people in whatever aspect it is and people get creative and find loopholes and ways around it which is always fun.
libby emmons
Well in New Hampshire you still don't have to wear a motorcycle helmet when you're on your motorcycle.
tim pool
Oh, I fucking hate all these laws.
Seatbelt laws.
I always wear a seatbelt.
libby emmons
I was driving with my son and he was like, whoa, that person has no helmet on and they're going 80.
derrick evans
You don't have to in Kentucky either.
You don't have to wear a helmet in Kentucky.
So I live right on the border and people stop, get off their motorcycle, put their helmet on, and then go around.
tim pool
You know why we got seatbelt laws?
Insurance companies lobbying it.
Because it does reduce physical body damage in car accidents, which means insurance companies were looking at their bottom line and they were like, if everybody wore a seatbelt, we would save 17% on our payouts.
Okay, let's make it illegal to not have a seatbelt on so that we can make more money.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I thought it was because the insurance companies cared about us deeply.
They were deeply worried about my personal safety.
libby emmons
I thought it was the federal government that cared about us deeply.
tim pool
They do, they do.
You ever see those t-shirts that have fake seatbelts on them?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Those are great.
derrick evans
That's hilarious.
libby emmons
No, I'm just kidding.
derrick evans
That is amusing.
I remember during the whole COVID stuff, you had to wear a mask on airplanes and such.
But you didn't have to if you were eating something.
So I found that loophole and like the whole way to Florida, I ate a pretzel.
I just nibbled on it.
tim pool
We had these helmets this guy made.
I forgot what they were called, but they were like space helmets with air filters in them.
And it was like advertised as not having to wear a mask and being on a plane and wearing this plastic dome helmet with a filter.
The only problem is they weren't allowed on airplanes.
hannah claire brimelow
That's crazy.
tim pool
So, I actually ordered some because I thought they were funny.
And, uh, I used them when gardening because it would give me fresh air and the bugs wouldn't get in my face.
libby emmons
Oh, clever.
tim pool
That was the best use case for it, honestly.
derrick evans
I'd love to see what your neighbors thought of you out there.
tim pool
We don't have neighbors.
derrick evans
In the garden.
tim pool
We live in the middle of nowhere.
derrick evans
That's true.
tim pool
So, I'm out in the garden and I'm, like, grabbing tomatoes and shit.
Or I was, like, cleaning something or watering something.
And the flies are everywhere and they're just... You go out there without it and they're in your eyes.
You're like, God, every time.
libby emmons
They are like that.
tim pool
The chickens, too.
With these space helmets.
But anyway, we were gonna travel, and I was like, oh, let's use the space helmets.
And then I checked the websites, and they're like, these are banned.
They're not masks.
They're like, there's a federal mandate as to what a mask is.
That's not a mask.
So you actually couldn't even use them.
libby emmons
They were acquiring masks in schools at the time, and I found these masks that were basically mesh.
They looked like masks, but if you got up close, they were just basically not at all.
It was just very porous.
And my son was having so much trouble going to school with the mask, and they were like, They were everywhere.
It was all over.
It couldn't stay on.
He couldn't see.
It ended up in his eyes.
I got him these mesh ones and no one ever figured it out.
derrick evans
That's awesome.
tim pool
But gators were not allowed.
unidentified
Gators?
tim pool
Gators were not allowed.
libby emmons
That wasn't allowed.
Even though that's stupid.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought the rules for restaurants were the weirdest thing during COVID.
Especially in New York, right?
They'd be like, oh, well, outdoor.
But now it's cold, so we'll build some walls.
Now we'll put a heater in.
It's like, you're just making brooms outdoors.
derrick evans
You had to wear a mask all the way to sit down.
And after you sat down, it was safe to take it off.
tim pool
And there was a sushi restaurant in Frederick, Maryland, where I was standing literally five feet from the table, and they put the mask on.
So I'm at the door.
Five feet from me is the table and I'm like, I would like to sit down.
You got to put a mask on.
And I was like, no one else here is wearing a mask.
And they're like, yeah, they're eating.
And I'm like, that person's not eating.
Well, they're sitting down to eat so they can take the mask off.
And I was like, I'll go low right now.
And they said no.
hannah claire brimelow
In the time that it took them to have this conversation with you, you could have just sat down and been without the mask.
tim pool
They wanted me to take a mask, put it on, and literally, in one second, take it off and throw it in the garbage.
I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you retards?
hannah claire brimelow
It's so weird.
tim pool
It's because they care.
libby emmons
It's because they care.
derrick evans
It's true.
Well, that's the scary part about the whole shutdown stuff, is at first it was like, you know, you gotta do these mandates and you gotta take all these shots or whatever to save yourself.
And then it became, well, now you gotta do it to save your grandmother and your neighbor.
And if you don't do that, you're a terrible person.
libby emmons
Meanwhile, Andrew Cuomo killed all the grandmas.
unidentified
He did it.
derrick evans
He did.
libby emmons
And so did Rachel Levine in Pennsylvania, who is now- It was different though.
Yeah, it was different because for Rachel Levine, it was his mom who was in the- Which he was fine with.
And he took his mom out and then imposed the thing that said, you know, you have to take everybody back after they've been in the hospital so they all die.
And for that and for being trans, Rachel Levine has a Biden administration appointment in HHS.
Yeah.
derrick evans
What about murder hornets?
Did everybody just forget about the murder hornets?
libby emmons
Murder hornets?
hannah claire brimelow
I forgot about that!
unidentified
Real quick, I think the sushi place went out of business.
hannah claire brimelow
They were refusing to have customers because they wouldn't wear masks.
libby emmons
You would know this.
Is West Virginia going to get hit with the cicada blitz?
derrick evans
We are.
I'm really excited.
Can't wait.
libby emmons
It's like a 200 year cicada event. 17.
derrick evans
Oh, you're talking about the two things at the same time?
The two things at the same time.
Yeah, coming at the same time.
The last time they did it, I remember we were out with tennis rackets.
libby emmons
They're going to be falling out of trees.
You were out with tennis rackets.
derrick evans
Yeah, that's what we were doing.
I remember my other soccer one was just covered in them.
tim pool
We should go to Collar's.
unidentified
Gross.
serge du preez
We should, indeed.
derrick evans
It was gross.
serge du preez
So before I say anything, before I go anything callers, do you remember the guy that called in yesterday?
Or was it the day before?
I think it was yesterday.
He was talking about that story that he uncovered.
I can't remember his name.
It was like Jimmy something.
He was banned off X, apparently.
If anyone could get me his name.
I forget what his name was.
Jimmy Trimmer.
Jimmy Trimmer, the guy you told us to get in touch with because he was breaking that story.
But yeah, I guess he got banned on X for posting the stuff he was posting.
Yeah.
libby emmons
We used to go cockroach stomping in my mom's apartment on the Upper West Side.
hannah claire brimelow
So much nature in New York.
libby emmons
Yeah, it was very nature-y.
We'd go down to the laundry room, be a bunch of cockroaches.
derrick evans
Sounds like good times.
libby emmons
We'd stomp them.
serge du preez
Joseph Trimmer, that was his name.
We'd stomp them.
Three if by treachery.
You are live.
three if by treachery in unknown
Hey, can you guys hear me?
Alright, thanks for taking the call.
I really enjoy listening to you guys pretty much every night.
You mentioned at the start of the show, I think Tim was mentioning it, that the elites, or the powers that be, or the theys that we like to refer to them, they're really losing narrative control on a variety of big issues.
You can think of Epstein, or vaccines, or election integrity, or globalism.
And it's, if you look at this loss of narrative control, it's happening faster than ever.
And my question is, when did this start?
Like, when did the seeds of this narrative control, when were they planted?
When did it really start in earnest?
Did it happen before Trump?
Something like the Tea Party Revolution?
Did it happen during Trump's candidacy and then his presidency?
Or did it happen really after the stolen election, right?
Because I think You know, people are really getting off their behinds right now.
tim pool
That's what you're saying.
When did the narrative control start?
Is that the question?
three if by treachery in unknown
When did the loss of the narrative control happen, right?
At what point did we start saying, and in mass, people start saying, hey, no, we're not buying this anymore.
We're not buying what you guys have to sell.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like Trump was the big awakening call.
That's definitely been what I can see in my lifetime, right?
And I think Trump is the leader of a lot of ideas that were bubbling for a long time.
So I think probably someone else who's older than me might have a different point.
tim pool
It's the internet and it starts with people like Alex Jones and a lot of these alternative media channels that found a way to get a message out through the internet.
And those were the seeds.
The seeds of Alex Jones eventually turned into the presidency of Donald Trump.
unidentified
Interesting.
three if by treachery in unknown
Got it.
Do you think it's and I had a second part to the question, which was, is it, you know, and you mentioned it there.
It's not necessarily with Trump.
It's it's it was before that.
Do you think it's sustainable?
Right.
Because I worry about the future of the country.
And obviously, if Trump was the cause, then when the candidate goes away, does this, you know, does kind of this peeling back of the Trump is the result.
tim pool
Trump is the result.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So you can't erase the memories of an entire generation.
Yeah.
That's why when you look at Gen Z and all their weird woke bullshit, there's no curing these people.
This is what they are.
They're programmed.
three if by treachery in unknown
Got it.
Yeah.
tim pool
Civil war, because Gen Z has a weird crackpot one third of their generation, which is a bunch of retards.
And most of them are normal, and then a lot of them are based.
But they're not going to stop having these views.
And so there is going to be a bifurcation in American culture to an extreme degree that results in far left violence.
But yeah.
derrick evans
I've never really thought about that question before, though, until just now, and I think, all excellent points, and I would maybe even argue it started with social media, in terms of people having a voice and doing that, and that's why they started censoring people.
You've got to remember, in the early days of social media, there was no censorship.
If you had 3,000 followers, 3,000 people saw your stuff, or however many they shared and everything, and so they started the censorship because I feel like we were getting our alternative views out there, if you will.
tim pool
I think it was mostly just fear of advertisers.
There were things that were deemed socially acceptable and things that weren't.
And they were looking at what generated the most algorithmic boost, which included white nationalism and intersectional feminism.
But white nationalism generates fear from advertisers, so they all opted to go woke.
At the same time, Websites across all countries saw a massive explosion in woke concepts, racism, privilege, in all countries.
And it was because it was socially acceptable, advertisers would pay for it, and it generated rage.
derrick evans
There you go.
tim pool
Alright, well, thanks for calling in, buddy.
serge du preez
Cheers, mate.
three if by treachery in unknown
Thank you, guys.
serge du preez
Of course.
Alright, Bush Doctor.
Bushmon, how you doing?
tim pool
Nope, he's still muted.
serge du preez
Oh, did I unmute?
Oh, there you go.
Oh, there you go.
three if by treachery in unknown
Sorry about that.
unidentified
I thought I clicked it.
bush doctor in unknown
Hey, thanks for taking my question.
This is actually a mash-up question from myself and Bree Hawk for the entire panel.
She had to go to bed, so we combined our questions.
tim pool
Right on.
bush doctor in unknown
So you touched on the subject a little bit earlier in the show.
Tim has discussed Dent Internet Theory before.
We got proof of big tech collusion during the 2020 campaign from the Twitter files.
Long history of intelligence agencies destabilizing foreign governments using social media sock puppets.
It seems to be ramping up to a level that we couldn't have even imagined with the swarm of AI-driven propaganda bots that we're already seeing in 2024.
So here's a question.
It seems that the average American is tragically unaware of social media engineering, uh, both in elections and overall public opinion.
What can we possibly do to drag these bad actors, who are so much more well-funded and better organized, into the light for John Q. Public to see what's really going on?
I mean, how do we psy-op the psy-op?
tim pool
We're doing it, though.
Like, the narrative control is breaking.
It's not working anymore.
I don't know what else to say other than keep on keeping them.
So posting on social media, sharing stories, the human culture has broken their narrative machine and they're in
free fall.
bush doctor in unknown
I mean, do you think we're going to be able to keep up with the fact that they're now using AI to drive their
narratives?
tim pool
The A.I.
thing is not an issue of any one person.
The A.I.
is an apocalyptic scenario for everybody.
But the fact that Elon Musk bought Twitter and turned it into X, I'm not concerned about narrative control.
A.I.
is not about narrative control.
A.I.
is that no one will be able to do anything.
Everyone will be paralyzed.
Maybe that's a good thing, to be honest.
If everything is fake, then there's no narrative control, and there's no machine, and it's just... The internet is dead, and you'll have to go outside and talk with your neighbors.
hannah claire brimelow
The horror of talking with your neighbors.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
I totally agree.
Yeah, go ahead.
Sorry.
bush doctor in unknown
No, I didn't mean to interrupt.
I mean, I'm with, you know, I'm with you on the fact that civil war is like sadly inevitable.
I agree that we can't reach most of these people who are already programmed, but, you know, I want to pull as many over to our side as possible.
And I think last time I was on the show, I asked Libby, like what we can do to reach out to women more.
to bring them over and for those people who can be deprogrammed.
So, I don't know Libby if you want to follow up with that and how like from the women's
perspective of how we're Bring women over?
libby emmons
I mean, this is going to sound sexist, but basically marry them and have families with them, and then they will be conservative.
Or they'll be a lot closer to conservative than they would be as single, weed smoking, vaping, masturbating, late sleeping.
Chelsea Handler-inspired women.
Chelsea Handler-inspired women, exactly.
But that's the way to do it.
You know how you become conservatives?
You grow the fuck up.
So all these women need to grow up, just like so many of these men do.
And put down the bong.
Put down the knives.
Put down the bong.
Yeah.
That's what I would say.
tim pool
I think it's going to be funny when there's like this wave of women who discover like trad wife living and then we've already seen some of them where they're like, I was told to be a feminist and it sucked.
What the fuck?
I want to be a wife and like have kids and have my husband work and wow, that sounds so amazing.
It's going to be funny when that's just the dominant Instagram trend.
hannah claire brimelow
I think there is a huge movement, especially on social media.
There are a lot of, you know, homemaker kind of content creators who talk about the fact that the labor they do at home is valuable, not only emotionally, psychologically, but also, you know, if you have to pay to put your kid in daycare, that's an expense, right?
I mean, I had a co-worker at a previous job who this was the conversation, right?
Well, basically my job covers all of daycare for our one kid, plus a little bit extra.
So if we have a second kid, it's not going to cover that, it's actually going to be more expensive.
At some point, all of the things that women do in the domestic space, like homemaking, balancing budgets, grocery shopping, whatever, That's actually valuable and should be treated that way.
And there was a time, I mean, remember that we had the Bureau of Home Economics when that was the case.
And I think women are waking back up to the fact that they have inherent value and they don't have to seek it through corporate affirmations and a paycheck if they're able to swing that.
Not all families can have a wife.
libby emmons
Well, and that the lifestyle is worthwhile.
It's a worthwhile lifestyle.
I had such a, I had a different upbringing.
I had a step-mom who was basically wanted to be a stay-at-home mom.
She wanted to have kids.
She was unable to have children and so there was me and there was my brother who was adopted and then I had my mom who was like very successful, you know, corporate attorney, high-powered, lived in New York, you know, and I grew up living with my dad and my stepmom until I moved in with my mom later and her like whole separate family, new family and stuff because Cause that's the 20th century.
That's what we got.
But they had very, they both thought that they were, they both felt that they were feminist to a large degree.
And my stepmom was constantly infuriated at how the homemaker's work was undervalued and was looked down upon.
And my mom was always kind of like, I don't know how to cook and I would never stay home.
And you know, I eat out at late kitchens and whatever else.
And it was very interesting to see, as a young woman, as growing up, as a kid, knowing how much I valued my stepmom being home with me and taking care of me and always making a birthday cake on my birthday, which was in the early, it was like early in the school year before you really got to make friends and stuff, because I was always switching schools, whatever.
But it was so important to me that she was there.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
libby emmons
She was there to, like, tell me to do my homework and, like, you know, make sure that I was taken care of and make sure that there was dinner.
hannah claire brimelow
And treat you like a priority, right?
libby emmons
Treat me like a priority.
And I'd go to my mom's and, you know, it was like, go to summer camp, I'm going to work, this and that.
hannah claire brimelow
You were an inconvenience the whole way.
libby emmons
It was very different.
And I know my mom loves me, but... We should get to the next car.
Sorry.
serge du preez
Indeed.
bush doctor in unknown
Thanks again.
Yeah.
I just want to give a quick shout out to my wife, who is that awesome trad con lady.
I don't even know where the silverware is in my house, so.
tim pool
Right on.
serge du preez
Hell yeah, brother.
tim pool
That's a very manly thing to say.
I don't know where the silverware is.
serge du preez
A real Bushman.
unidentified
That's cool.
libby emmons
Go ahead.
serge du preez
I'm sorry.
That's all I'm saying.
Okay, let's start.
tim pool
The manliest thing you can say is I have no idea where my washing machine is.
I couldn't make a sandwich if my life depended on it.
unidentified
I mean, that's kind of pathetic, though, yes?
derrick evans
We really have created a toxic culture, though, to where women, they feel like they have to be independent, and to the point of, like, I don't need a man, you know?
libby emmons
Well, there's being independent, and then there's I don't need a man.
They're not the same thing.
derrick evans
Correct.
And I'll just say, for me, I don't think there's anything more valuable than a woman who is motherly and wants to do that.
And people forget, they hear this thing, oh, I don't need a man, I don't want to submit to a man or whatever, but they forget the other side of that is a good man who's has a wife like that, they are putting her on a pedestal and treating her the way that she needs to be treated.
tim pool
I gotta give a warning to Vlasic, okay?
libby emmons
The pickles?
tim pool
They need to be lobbying right now for masculinity because if it really does become an I-don't-need-no-man world, Vlasic goes out of business overnight.
hannah claire brimelow
Pickle industry is starting because women can't open the jars.
libby emmons
Okay, I do ask my 13-year-old son to open jars.
That is true.
tim pool
No women are going to be like, I don't need no man.
And they're going to sit there trying to open the pickle jar and then go, I didn't want pickles anyway.
unidentified
Then they're going to be anti-pickles.
tim pool
Every feminist knows that pickle jars were made by men to uphold the patriarchy.
It's true.
Let's grab this next caller.
serge du preez
Oppressive jars indeed.
Liam the Censor.
Hello.
My brother's name is Liam.
How are you?
unidentified
I'm well, good to be back on the show.
I kind of wish Phil was here so I could throw the Christian nationalist thing in, but we'll get there when we get there.
So I have a question for Derek Evans.
So I read on your website, among the issues that you advocate for, you want to strengthen our NATO alliances and also combat Chinese aggression and infiltration.
So my question is, why should we continue to support NATO, something that, in my opinion, for what little that's worth, is obsolete at this point, when we could instead withdraw funding from Ukraine and seek to mend relations with Russia, who honestly would probably serve as a better check against China.
derrick evans
Well, first of all, I'm glad you brought that up.
And honestly, I haven't looked at that in a really long time.
And I think we need to update that because I agree with you.
I think we do need to.
And as far as China, man, we've got to, we have China right now buying land in our country.
I don't think they should be allowed to buy land.
I think we need to get ahead of them.
Attempting to own natural resources, so they should be owning coal or oil or natural gas and it's not just China for that matter.
No foreign country should be allowed to own any sort of land or any natural resource in America.
It's a matter of national security and I think that we need to do this at the federal level and take this land back from China or any other country for that matter who's purchasing land in our country.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think you're right.
libby emmons
In the 80s, it was a big deal that the Japanese were buying stuff in New York, and everyone was like, no, you can't do that.
And now we're just letting China buy up swaths and swaths of land.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, you don't want to be racist, of course.
They want to buy it for totally benign reasons, and you're just crushing their ability to have the American dream.
serge du preez
Yeah, this is kind of anti-Sino of you.
libby emmons
Right, you realize the Roosevelt Hotel where New York is housing so many migrants, actually, the city of New York is leasing that From the Pakistani government or maybe Pakistani Airlines, which is probably backed by the government.
But anyway, we're leasing the Roosevelt Hotel to house migrants in from Pakistan.
derrick evans
Well, and people are not really discussing the farm issue either.
So, I mean, unfortunately, I don't really agree with the GMOs and all this stuff, but I mean, The seeds are technology at this point, and China is buying up farmland and buying up food, infrastructure, technology.
I don't either, but the fact that China is doing it should be another concern for us as Americans.
Why are we letting?
I would love to know why we're allowing this to happen.
Once again, why are we sending money to Ukraine, is the gentleman who just called and said.
libby emmons
Why'd we collapse our own border?
derrick evans
Yeah, we shouldn't be sending any.
I'm America first, 100%, and so I think that Americans are charitable people.
We're a Christian nation, charitable people.
The greatest grift and scam of all time is Zelensky, as far as I'm concerned.
But if they wanted to start a GoFundMe account, a lot of these bleeding-heart leftists could donate their own personal money to this if they wanted to do so, and I would support their freedom to do that.
But don't steal my money and then send it to another country when we have our own people who are hurting.
We have roads and bridges and infrastructure that's fallen apart, our own borders being invaded.
And we're over here, we have homeless veterans sleeping on the streets, we have people who are struggling in this country, and we're sending money to other countries.
It's absolutely despicable.
serge du preez
Yep, it is.
unidentified
100%.
serge du preez
I don't know why we even let people buy so much property in New York, for instance, Libby.
They own all these buildings and then lease them back out to New Yorkers.
And a lot of times it's just empty buildings owned by one Saudi prince, and there's one person who's in the bottom who's a tenant, and it's really just there to make sure that it's legally within the rules of being a residential building.
It's insane, because it's made New York completely unaffordable.
You can't live in the cities anymore.
At all, anyways.
Just anyways.
And it's a travesty.
Like, this doesn't happen in other countries.
Like, not to the same degree.
It's only happening in America, really.
I mean, in London as well.
It happens in London, too.
People go to London and buy these places and don't live in them.
It's just... I don't understand it.
It's like the new way of invading.
It's a new way of colonizing, if you will.
derrick evans
Well, it is.
I mean, what if they... I mean, as of right now, they technically could.
What if they bought the entire state of West Virginia?
China did.
serge du preez
Would you sell it to them?
derrick evans
No, I mean, I wouldn't sell anything.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying like, you know what I mean?
Like for instance, or an entire county or an entire, I mean, what would happen?
I mean, we're letting these people sit here and own land in our, in our country.
And this is, I mean, it's honestly mind blowing that we're even having this conversation right now.
Like, I mean, it's really crazy.
We're having a conversation where, I mean, it's like, to your point, instead of them invading us, they're just purchasing it.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's what they're doing in Africa, too.
They're buying all these different places, especially in South Africa.
They're building basically like a classic Chinese walk-up, and it doesn't fit into the architecture.
It doesn't sit in the same place.
It's a completely different thing.
It's just everyone in Africa, the continent of Africa, can agree like, The Chinese are here, suddenly, and they're just building stuff.
derrick evans
I mean, it's more cost-effective.
Wars are expensive.
They can just come over and buy the land.
serge du preez
And that's what they're doing right now.
derrick evans
It's just the Belt and Road Initiative, you know, just make friendships as opposed to... Well, and that comes back to the other thing, is we've got to start bringing back our own manufacturing here in this country.
We're so dependent.
I mean, if for some reason we were to get into a war with China, do you think that they would see how they're going to make stuff and send it to us?
Of course not.
So this is a bigger issue, and that's one of the good things that came out of COVID was was kind of showing the supply chain issues that we're dealing with right now and how we're dependent on our enemies for so many different basic ways of life in our country.
serge du preez
Yeah.
Anything else to add to that, Liam?
unidentified
No, I appreciate you all taking my call.
Real quick, I just want to shout out College Republicans at Marshall.
I am the chair of Marshall at West Virginia.
Marshall University.
Yes.
Yep.
Yeah.
So if you guys ever want to come down, host any events, feel free to reach out to me.
I try to be as much of an open door as I can.
derrick evans
Leo, man.
Um, I don't know if you follow me on social media or see me at a DM or something or, uh, fill out the thing on our website and we'll reach out to you, man.
I'm right there in your backyard, just 30 minutes or so from, from Marshall and would love to come down and chat sometime.
hannah claire brimelow
And you're an alum, right?
unidentified
Absolutely.
For sure.
derrick evans
Yeah.
Go heard, man.
We are Marshall.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
tim pool
Right on, thanks for calling in.
serge du preez
Alright, cheers.
Let us talk to Rocket Gamer.
How are you today?
unidentified
I'm doing pretty well, thanks for taking my call.
I'm a first-time caller and I've been consistently listening to you guys since the Whoistheythough incident.
serge du preez
Nice, nice.
I was watching that last night, it was a great moment.
unidentified
You were watching it last night?
serge du preez
Yeah, I had to watch it last night, I don't know why I was watching it again, but great moment.
unidentified
My question is, you know, according to the recent polls we've been all talking about, Gen Z males are becoming conservative at a rapid rate comparatively with previous history.
This question I have is, do you think that the male preference for playing video games, especially during their developmental period around 2010, Playing games like multiplayer shooters, MOBAs, MMOs, and other multiplayer games isolated males in their own communities and environments that was not politically correct and somewhat meritocratic because, you know, I have to be good at playing video games.
And that's what's contributing to the political shifts we're seeing as, you know, modern woke leftist culture is completely against, you know, The older games we've been playing that we grew up with.
tim pool
I think it's just male versus female.
Dudes found dude spaces.
You don't have to be the best gamer to be on Call of Duty saying you're gonna fuck some guy's mom.
People were just, that's what they were doing.
And it was because it was a male-dominated space.
These gaming companies got mad because they were like, women don't want to be in a space where guys are yelling at them all the time.
And women would post videos where they're like, if you're playing a shooter and they find out you're a woman, It just gets all weird and they start saying nasty shit or then one guy white knights and then it's just you're not playing the game anymore.
I think the reality is a lot of politics is like Democrats are women and Republicans are men.
You look at the voting patterns and that's just typically the way it is.
It's like, not absolute, obviously there are some women who are Republican and some men who are Democrats, but voting patterns are basically women vote Democrat, men vote Republican.
libby emmons
A lot of the women who are Republicans that I've talked to, who are young, younger women who are Republicans, their dads were Republicans and they were raised conservative in a conservative household.
tim pool
So if you have a weak, spineless jellyfish of a father, you're going to get a slutty, drug-addicted daughter.
And if you have a strong, you know, moral, hardworking man who rolls up his sleeves, you're going to have a wholesome, successful family.
In general.
serge du preez
Pretty hard to argue.
tim pool
No, but there are a lot of women who escaped bad families and find the light figuratively and literally.
hannah claire brimelow
And there are people who are raised in deeply conservative homes.
tim pool
Who become drug addicts.
hannah claire brimelow
Whatever, yeah.
tim pool
But I think it's a tendency.
You know, daddy issues is the trope.
Women with daddy issues end up becoming all weird and, you know.
Yeah, I think I think there's mommy issues too for guys I think we talked about this before we often talk about how if you don't have a dad You'll be a criminal.
You'll be a drug addict I think there's issues of not having a mom that we don't track properly because it's it's we don't care to see the results like nobody cares if a dude is Like, emotionally cold, distant, but he's a great runner and he makes a lot of money.
He doesn't do drugs, he doesn't break the law, and we're like, what a good guy.
And then you try and talk to him and he's a block of ice.
Like, nobody tracks that and says that's bad, but it is bad for society if people are not getting the motherly qualities from the other side of it.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and I think for men, I talked to Seamus about this one time on his Podcast, I think for men, they there is a natural biological instinct to sort of guard against emotions to have, you know, to show signs of aggression, but not necessarily anything else.
And, and the mother figures help regulate emotions.
That's what they're there for.
It's good to have that.
And eventually, like, When you're dating someone, if you're dating a guy and he is okay with showing you his emotions, that's a good thing.
That's a healthy bond.
And I think we have a society that has sort of confused what men are supposed to be doing at times where, like Tim is saying, we don't acknowledge that, like, there are appropriate times and places for men to feel very deeply and, you know, have whatever.
And so you have the opposite, which is like this desire for masculinity, but a not...
You have corrupt people saying like well this is the only way to be masculine, you're supposed to act like this, you're supposed to treat people like this and that's how you show dominance and that's the only version of masculinity and so to a certain extent the internet tries to fill the voids that really strong parents, you need strong parents to fill.
derrick evans
I almost wonder if, you know, my generation, they pushed everybody into college, right?
And so we went into college and we know we got the indoctrination and stuff going on, but I think it's deeper than that.
The current generations, there's a big gap right now in the skills, like in the trades, jobs.
And when people who are working in the trades, by nature, are probably going to be more conservative.
They're going to be a little bit more masculine.
They're getting calluses on their hands, if you will.
They're actually working and doing stuff.
And so I think that leads to being more conservative, more masculine.
And I don't know if that's the answer, but I would love to see a little bit of more research on that.
Because like I said, in my generation, everybody had to, you were told you had to go to college.
You can even flip burgers if you want to go to McDonald's.
And now we create this huge gap in the trades.
And now you've got a lot of younger people in the, you know, 18, 19 to 24 year range, a lot bigger percentage of them are just stepping into jobs in the trades, which are actual blue collar, hardworking jobs.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's interesting.
unidentified
Yeah, thank you for your input.
I mean, personally, what I've seen when I was growing up, because I'm obviously Gen Z, a lot of people who played video games did not participate in social media early on.
So I think that may have helped a little bit, but thank you guys for taking my call.
Glad to glad to call in and have a nice night, everyone.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in.
serge du preez
Cheers, brother.
Appreciate you.
tim pool
Woo.
That was fun.
Yeah.
Thanks for hanging out.
It's been a blast.
derrick evans
Yeah, man.
Thank you guys for having me.
Really appreciate it.
It's been awesome.
tim pool
Right on.
And for everybody who is a member, thank you all for making it possible.
Pick up your cast brew coffee.
We've got a new promo code for... I should just say the promo code.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Should I just say it?
serge du preez
Should the promo code, yeah?
hannah claire brimelow
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tim pool
It's not for us, it was for somebody else.
I can't say it, I can't, I can't, I can't.
The promo code is for tracking purposes, so I can't actually shout it out.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
hannah claire brimelow
Tim's a promo code tease.
I'm sorry, guys.
tim pool
Yeah, I was thinking like, oh, I'll just shout it out because people can start doing it, but I can't because the purpose of the promo codes, like basically it works.
We want, yeah, we, so we've, we've got some, some sponsor stuff.
Like Casper's going to be sponsoring some people.
So I, they have to shout it out.
So I, I, okay.
You know, I apologize.
Bye Casper anyway.
Thanks for hanging out.
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