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TX Gov Abbott Says TEN STATES Deployed National Guard To Oppose Biden w/Larry Elder | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Thanks for watching.
Very wild.
Greg Abbott, governor of Texas, says that 10 other states have deployed National Guard to Texas to defend the border, and we're hearing reports that private citizens, in various capacities, are making their way to Texas.
There are many people, prominent personalities saying, do not go to Texas, fearing another January 6th type incident.
I don't know what's going to happen.
I think this one should be left up to Greg Abbott and the National Guard and law enforcement.
It should be done through all the legal channels they're going through.
The National Guard are being deployed.
I think it's probably a safe bet to say private citizens shouldn't go anywhere near this in reference to any kind of conflict.
I can't tell people what they should or shouldn't do.
If you're a private citizen, you can go where you're allowed to go, but I definitely think it's important to say There's a lot of danger right now, and Greg Abbott is walking a fine line, and he's walking the right line, and the best way this is carried out is if Greg Abbott can handle this with the assistance of other states.
But a lot of wild news breaking all of this down.
There's also reporting that the Border Patrol Union said they stand with Texas.
So I'm having trouble corroborating a lot of this.
I want to be careful.
It's just a reporter I'm seeing on X. We'll talk about that.
Plus, Donald Trump has been ordered to pay $83 million to E. Jean Carroll for defaming her.
So they say things are getting absolutely crazy.
And of course, my friends, I don't really know how to say this.
I'm just going to.
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Now, a lot of people point out sales aren't, you know, it's not a lot of competition on iTunes.
We've done something similar.
However, the song just went up.
And so this is this is this is massive to reach this level in one day.
And if everybody buys the song on Amazon or iTunes, it is entirely likely that Ben Shapiro could be as of next week, not actually, but so throughout this next week, they'll they'll track the charts and then the following Tuesday will release the billboard charts across the board.
Ben Shapiro will probably be a billboard charting hip hop artist and rapper.
Because already the amount of sales they have.
So we'll talk about that.
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I want... Look, I'm a big fan of Tom McDonald, and I'm a big fan of Ben Shapiro, though I have criticisms of Ben Shapiro's commentary.
I think a lot of you do.
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As for Tom McDonald, I think he's amazing, and I definitely want to see Tom succeed in the music industry.
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And right now, with Tom McDonald releasing a song with Ben Shapiro, you know we love shouting out Tom McDonald.
But when I heard that Ben Shapiro was going to rap, no one asked me to do this, I said, The love of God, can we make Ben Shapiro the number one rapper in the country?
And it's just, not only, there's a great message in the song, with what the lyrics are themselves, but the troll, I'm sorry, I just, if there's anything I could buy, if there's anything I could wish for right now, Aside from justice on the border, right?
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Texas leads a coalition of over 20 states who oppose the federal government.
Taylor Swift is the biggest name in professional football.
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It's only January.
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Joining us today, tonight, to talk about this and everything else is the great Larry Elder.
larry elder
Tim, thank you so much for having me.
Hey, if I can be the black face of white supremacy, then Ben Shapiro can be the number one rapper in the world.
I have a brand new book, it's called As Goes California, My Mission to Rescue the Golden State, and I'm breaking some big news on your show.
I called the CEO, telling him I was going to be on your show.
Turns out he's a big fan of yours.
He said, you tell Tim, any of his viewers want a free copy of your book, have them go to oldglorybank.com, open up an account, and when you get your debit card in the mail, you will get a free copy of Larry Elder's book, As Goes California, a $25 value.
tim pool
Oh, right on.
What's the book about?
larry elder
It's about California, how messed up it is, why I ran for the recall election, and at the time I was thinking about running for president, later on I did, and about why I was running and what I would do if I became president.
tim pool
We gotta talk about that, especially with what's going on in Texas, these other states speaking up, as goes California.
larry elder
Yep.
tim pool
All right, excited to have you here, man, appreciate it.
larry elder
My pleasure.
tim pool
We got Hannah-Claire Brimelow hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for sdnr.com.
It's a really cool team.
You should follow them at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
Phil's here.
phil labonte
Hello, I am Phil Labonte, lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, a very failed musician, anti-communist, and counter-revolutionary.
unidentified
And what's up, guys?
I'm filling in for Serge.
It's Kellen.
I'm wearing my Texas hat with all the news going on and today's culture war.
I thought it was appropriate.
So let's get to it, Tim.
tim pool
Here we go.
The first story from AmericanMilitaryNews.com video.
Texas prepared for standoff with Biden.
Ten states send troops and law enforcement to the border.
Governor Abbott told former Fox News host Tucker Carlson Friday that 10 states have already sent National Guard troops or other law enforcement members to the southern border to aid Texas in the face of growing pressure from President Joe Biden's administration to allow Border Patrol agents to remove razor wire barriers the state installed to deter illegal immigrants from pouring into the state.
During Friday's interview with Carlson, Abbott said he would be surprised if any of the 25 Republican states that have pledged to support his state did not send additional assistance.
There have been about 10 states, so far, that have sent National Guard or other law enforcement, Abbott said.
They are now joined together with us, and this is a fight for the future of America.
Now, I don't know what's currently going on.
News is happening very, it's changing rapidly with what's happening on the border.
Today was the deadline.
The Biden administration was supposed to do something.
Apparently, I've seen some people spreading a rumor that there was some, they said, okay, today's the deadline, but then they said something like 6 p.m.
and I have not heard anything just yet.
Some people are saying there's very little information coming out because something is actually going on behind the scenes, but I don't know for sure.
Part of me wants to believe, because of normalcy and optimism bias, this will all blow over.
But considering Ben Shapiro is the number one rapper in the world, I think it's more likely to just erupt in the most absurd way imaginable.
larry elder
I think it's important to point out that at one time Democrats spoke, like Donald Trump did, about illegal immigration and about the borders.
People like Chuck Schumer.
People like Harry Reid.
After the first bombing of the World Trade Center, he even, Harry Reid, even talked about how the 14th Amendment is interpreted to confer citizenship to an illegal alien who has a baby on American soil.
He thought that was wrong.
They even use the term illegal alien.
People like that said this kind of stuff.
Amy Klobuchar said it.
Dianne Feinstein said it.
Now all of a sudden they've done a 180 and anybody who feels the way Donald Trump feels is a bigot.
hannah claire brimelow
No, it's crazy.
I think our country forgets that at one point we were willing to talk openly about the ills of illegal immigration as a country became afraid of being called racist.
And then we said, it's OK.
We'll just leave the border open.
And now everyone else pays the cost of it, both financially and psychologically.
It really detracts from the American spirit if we have a class of people in this country who are not It's actually a part of it, and we say to the illegal immigrants, the things that you did to get here, the sacrifices you made, were actually for nothing because you don't get the benefits of crossing illegally.
larry elder
I think it's less that people are concerned about being called racists and more that the Democrats realize this is a big voting constituency, and they wanted to change the electorate because they were losing elections.
America was a 50-50 nation, but you bring in a bunch of people who are going to pull the lever for the Democratic Party, they assume, and all of a sudden you're guaranteed a governing coalition for Democrats in the future.
That's why they're doing this.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's pull the lever or just change the census data.
tim pool
But it gives them congressional seats and electoral votes.
phil labonte
Of course.
The argument that you hear them make to the average person that's, say, low political information is that the... You mean stupid people.
I'm trying to be nice.
Is that our unfunded liabilities are going to destroy the economy and we need to have people come in to work because we do not have replacement levels of having babies and stuff.
And I think that there is some validity to the argument, which is why I think it's convincing.
I think that that I think that that makes enough of an argument to convince people that are, again, that are low information.
What do you think is the best way to convince them?
Because I talk to people that just, they'll see stuff on the internet and they're just like, no, they don't believe it.
larry elder
Even if the argument had validity, that population getting older, unfunded pension liabilities, so-called entitlements, so we need to bring in new people in order to make them contribute so that these people can get their full benefits.
It still has to be legal.
We still have to know who they are, what they're here for, what their intentions are.
You just can't come across a border and go, okay, well, you're solving our unfunded pension liability problem.
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
And I gotta say, before I would ever accept that proposed solution, I would accept, if you have three babies, you pay zero federal taxes.
phil labonte
I'd love it.
My only point, or the only point in asking that question, and the thing that I'm concerned with is convincing people that the situation is untenable.
Convincing them that this is actually a problem.
Because I do believe that most people don't pay attention, you know, most people don't really watch the news very closely and then when they do, they tend to listen to what the talking heads say and they assume that that's the truth.
Michael Malice talks about, you know, when you tell the average person that the news is lying to them, it's like you're being told that the meteorologist is lying to you and he knows, right?
Most people think the news is telling the truth.
How, and my concern is convincing them that we actually do have a real problem and so I want to know what people think the best way to, you know, to actually To move the needle, because it's coming to a head where it's possible that we could meme ourselves into actual conflict.
Like, everything is theater until someone actually does something.
And anytime you get dudes with guns in close proximity with opposing interests, there's a chance for that.
And I don't want to see that happen.
larry elder
Well, Phil, let's talk about the original sin here.
The original sin is Joe Biden.
He comes in, And he literally says, essentially, the borders are open.
During the debate against Donald Trump, he said, there's going to be a surge to the border.
He promptly reverses every single one of the Trump policies that gave us the most secure border in our history.
And I know that it is.
I'm staying in a hotel where you guys send me.
There are a whole bunch of DEA guys there, border patrol guys there.
And I had a conversation with one right before I got into the car to come over here.
At the hotel I stay at, where you send me.
And they had a whole bunch of border patrol people staying there.
And I talked to them, told them where I was going, they knew who you were, and I said, Donald Trump often says that when he was president we had the most secure border in our history.
Is that true?
And there were two guys there, they said absolutely it was true.
And they said it was like a switch was turned on when Joe Biden came in.
He stopped the Stay in Mexico program.
He resumed catch and release.
The Mexicans took off the 25,000 people they had in their military and moved them elsewhere.
And the problem then exploded, he said, overnight.
There was a legal alien coming across the border, being interviewed by a woman named Martha Raddatz.
She's a longtime reporter with ABC News.
And she said to him, if Donald Trump had gotten re-elected, would you be here?
He said, no.
And she was shocked.
And he said, why?
And he said, Joe Biden has given us permisso.
Change the rhetoric, change the policies, and that's why they're here.
And that's the original sin.
And so Joe Biden should have seen this coming.
You think America is going to sit around and watch millions of people coming across the country and do nothing about it?
Are you serious?
tim pool
You basically asked for it.
The reason they're coming to Eagle Pass is because of the controversy.
Because you have, if they go to other places, I think Lukeville is in Arizona, places where there's a lot of controversy, you have leftist organizations they know are prepared to accept you and fight on your behalf to enter, whereas if they go to some random open border, like I would say unprotected border area, private property or otherwise, they could get shot.
You go to Eagle Pass, let the right and the left fight about it, and the border patrol agents bring you in, Bring you to where you need to go, where someone gives you money.
But I'll say, I don't have a particularly high opinion of Border Patrol agents right now.
However, should that report be correct from, I think it's from Colin Rugg, that the Border Patrol Union announced support for Texas, then I'm on board.
But, CBP agents have to stop facilitating the human smuggling.
I see a video of them raising the razor wire to assist human smugglers.
Those guys have committed a crime.
larry elder
They're just following orders.
tim pool
Oh, all the more reason they should be in prison.
larry elder
They're just following orders.
They don't want to do this.
They want to keep their jobs.
They're just following orders.
And Phil, to your point... They should be in prison.
To your point, it is becoming an issue.
In Iowa, it's the number one issue.
It's not even a border state.
I've been traveling all throughout Iowa.
They weren't talking about this when I was there.
It's now become the number one issue over inflation, over the economy in Iowa.
And the most ingenious thing that the southern governors did was start sending these people to cities like Chicago and New York and Martha's Vineyard because then it came to them and all of a sudden now that they're taking this problem seriously or more seriously than before.
phil labonte
I have a friend, a good friend of mine, that was talking, he's got a friend that actually works at Border Patrol, and he isn't even, like, he's not even convinced that they're, like I said, he's not even convinced there's a problem.
He's like, well, my friend says that if they're here illegally, that they can, that Texas can just put them over the border.
And he says, so this is actually a show from, you know, from DeSantis and a show from Abbott.
I'm pretty sure that these people are coming and asking for asylum, and that's why.
unidentified
That's right.
phil labonte
And that's the problem.
larry elder
And they're being processed in.
phil labonte
Yeah.
larry elder
And they let them in.
They give you a court date three, four years down the road.
They don't show up.
In fact, I asked one of the guys today.
We have 8 million illegal aliens in the country since Joe Biden.
He said that number is probably accurate.
I said, how many of them are going to be deported if and when Donald Trump comes back?
He said, I don't see how we can possibly write him up and get him out.
They're here for good.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure we dealt with this when, what was the, who was the head of ICE a few years back?
larry elder
Tom Homan.
tim pool
Homan, right.
I'm pretty sure, in his testimony, he outright said, it doesn't matter if they're seeking asylum.
Crossing through asylum legally, you must go to a legal port of entry and make a declaration.
That means the CBP agents, there's a video of them opening a gate in the Bollard Fence and waving them in.
And these aren't the only instances.
larry elder
Again, they were just following orders.
tim pool
Which is an excellent reason why I hold them ten times more responsible than I would if they were actually... You know, you're saying they're intentionally committing felonies because they were told to does not change the fact they committed felonies.
larry elder
Well, that's a fair argument, but Joe Biden and Mayorkas are telling you with a straight face the borders are secured.
tim pool
No, no, Biden said the border's not secure.
larry elder
He said it recently.
phil labonte
He doesn't know what he said.
larry elder
But before that, when Mayorkas said the borders are secure... He doesn't know what's going on.
The press secretary confirmed that she thought the borders were secured.
tim pool
I think, I completely agree.
Joe Biden should be impeached over this and convicted over this.
larry elder
Talk about insurrection.
tim pool
I mean, yeah, subverting the law, a violation of Article, I mean, Greg Abbott says Article 4, Section 4 and Article 1, Section 10.
And so now he's actively trying to stop the state from defending itself.
Yeah, I think for this Biden should be impeached and convicted and following his impeachment and conviction criminally charged along with people in his administration.
That being said, the challenge we face right now is the political barrier of we don't want the Democrats to be able to sub out Joe Biden at a time when Joe Biden is like we want the people to vote.
To bring in Donald Trump to solve the problem, we actually impeach and convict Joe Biden.
They could bring in Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom, and it's gonna benefit them.
And the corruption!
larry elder
Not gonna happen, Tim.
Here's the deal.
The reason Joe Biden is not going anywhere, if you can fog up a mirror, it's because the next person in line is not Gavin Newsom, it's not Michelle Obama, it's Kamala Harris.
She wants to be president.
I read a lot of black media, and they feel she's being picked on for her so-called cackle.
They feel that Joe Biden has given her thankless tasks, like getting to the bottom of the root causes of illegal immigration.
And black women are the most loyal part of the Democratic base, and they will be furious if she's drop-kicked for anybody other than a Michelle Obama.
And Michelle Obama does not want the job.
She wants to be loved.
She wants to be liked.
There's nothing that suggests to me that she has the temperament I want to send her thank you notes every Christmas for that.
She does not have the temperament to be a politician.
She complained for eight years about what it was like to be in a fishbowl of being first lady.
What makes you think she wants to be a politician?
phil labonte
Nothing.
hannah claire brimelow
She likes to be wealthy and influential.
tim pool
Here's the play.
All Trump supporters must send warm thank you letters to Michelle Obama.
Also include, we would be upset with you and we wouldn't love you anymore if you ran for president, so just keep it where it is and we're good.
larry elder
And if Michelle or Kamala Harris have dropped kick for some white dude like Mayor Pete or Gavin Newsom, they will be livid.
They won't vote Republican, they just won't vote at all, thereby guaranteeing whoever we nominate will win.
They won't do that.
tim pool
It's a rock and a hard place for Democrats, man.
larry elder
You live with the identity race card, you die with it.
And that's why she's there.
She got picked because she's a black female.
She's still a black female.
By the way, she wanted to run for president.
She did run.
And tell her to step aside from Michelle Obama, even if Michelle Obama announced.
Kamala ran for DA of San Francisco, she got elected.
She ran for AG of California, got elected and reelected.
She ran for US Senator, got elected.
And she's on the card with Joe Biden, got elected.
She's never lost election when she's been on the ticket.
And there's nothing at all that suggests to me that she's gonna, oh my god, I'm incompetent, I'll step aside for Michelle Obama.
Oh my god, I'm incompetent, I'll step aside for Gavin Newton.
Not gonna happen.
tim pool
Unless they're, she along with Biden, are impeached and convicted.
And she's ineligible.
hannah claire brimelow
But what would she, I mean, what is the timeline on that?
I think it was more likely they'd just leave Joe Biden where he is.
larry elder
Zero chance of either of them.
tim pool
I don't think they would impeach, they may want to, honestly, because how can you sub, the Kamala Harris thing is a huge problem for Democrats.
Massive problem.
So, how do you get Michelle Obama in without both the backroom and forward-facing deals?
So, you know, Roger Stone said, they're going to offer her a Supreme Court seat, Kamala Harris, and she'll bow out.
I said, no, no, no, that might solve the backroom deal.
larry elder
They already had a chance to do that with the Kentonji Brown-Jackson seat.
tim pool
But my point is, there may be a backroom deal with Kamala Harris, but how do you publicly explain Kamala Harris no longer being in the running for president?
larry elder
Kamala Harris wants the job.
She wants the job.
She ran for the job.
hannah claire brimelow
And you don't think there's anything they could offer her as a substitute?
larry elder
Like what?
What's a sub to be president?
phil labonte
The first black woman president?
There is nothing there.
unidentified
There's nothing.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the thing.
I mean, there was this idea that theoretically they could offer her a Supreme Court chair, but I don't think she would take anything else.
larry elder
They could offer her treasurer of Black Lives Matter.
There's a lot of money there.
phil labonte
Larry, I tell you what, I appreciate, I love the fact that you are here delivering this information because this all sounds, this is all the greatest news that I've heard all day long.
larry elder
And regarding Gavin Newsom, I mean think about Gavin, aside from what I said about Kamala Harris, what is Gavin Newsom going to offer if you feel that we're on the wrong track?
Nothing.
He praised the pullout of Afghanistan.
He's probably the only major politician who did.
He's a more extremist on climate change than Joe Biden.
He wants to outlaw the sale of new gas-powered cars, as I explain in my book, As Goes California, by the year 2035.
He's more of a climate change extremist than Biden is.
He loves all the spending.
He set up a panel for crying out loud for reparations in California.
He's more left-wing than Joe Biden.
If you're unhappy with how the country's going, what makes you think Gavin Newsom has prescription to make things better?
phil labonte
So you know, I know like you're really, you know philosophy and stuff and you know about Marcuse and stuff like that.
Is Gavin Newsom, is he a true believer or is he just someone that is doing what he's told by like people that know theory and people that know... It's not that complicated.
larry elder
Gavin Newsom is just dumb.
He's just dumb.
Okay.
I mean raising taxes, people leaving California and you want to raise even more taxes.
phil labonte
Okay.
larry elder
He's just dumb.
phil labonte
So it has nothing to do with any philosophy, leftist philosophy?
unidentified
I don't think so.
phil labonte
Okay.
larry elder
I don't think so.
phil labonte
Well, you'd know better than I am.
larry elder
He shut down the state in a more severe way than anybody else did while leaving his own private winery open, his own kids in private school.
It ticked people off, which is why he faced a recall election.
He doesn't get it.
phil labonte
I was surprised that he survived that recall, to be honest with you.
larry elder
And by the way, his numbers now are the worst they've ever been.
And they're citing crime and homelessness for two reasons.
tim pool
And they cheated you out of that.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Do you want to break down for us how that went down with, you know, you were running, it looked like you were set up to win?
larry elder
A couple things happened, Tim.
First of all, as I explain in my book, they tried to keep me off the ballot.
The first provisional ballot comes out, elder's name's not on it, even though we did all the things, you're supposed to get signatures, and this, that, and the other, and do all the filing.
And you have to turn in five years of your tax returns.
By the way, I think illegally, there was a law that was passed by the California legislature, this is before Donald Trump's tax returns had been illegally exposed.
Because they wanted him to turn them over.
Even the outgoing governor, Jerry Brown, didn't sign it because he thought it was a violation of the 14th Amendment, of the Constitution.
So Gavin Newsom comes in, signs it, and requires anybody running for president or governor to turn over five years of tax returns.
We didn't even feel it applied to a recall election, but we did it anyway.
You have to do five sets, 500 pages and 500 pages.
For reasons that still I don't understand, there were seven pages missing from the second set of the two.
So the California Secretary of State says, Elder is not eligible because he did not comply with the requirements.
unidentified
Wow.
larry elder
Even though there's a provision that says if there's a minor error, the Secretary of State has the power to correct that minor error.
So we filed a lawsuit.
And the judge who heard the lawsuit was a UC Berkeley graduate, not good.
Female, not good.
Democrat, not good.
And up for a judgeship by Gavin Newsom, not good, not good, not good, not good.
unidentified
Wow.
larry elder
It's on YouTube, the hearing.
It was about 15 minutes long.
And she said to the California lawyers, Gentlemen, first of all, the California Secretary of State has a power to correct a minor error, and all you had to do was look at the first set to find the seven pages that were missing from the second set.
You didn't even do that.
And secondly, I don't even believe the law applies to a recall election.
What do you have to say?
And it was over.
It was done.
unidentified
Wow, really?
larry elder
So that's the first thing they did.
tim pool
And then of course... So she decided for you?
larry elder
Right away.
Right away.
Slam dunk!
Booyah!
I told my lawyer that my cousin Vinnie could win this case and he said, alright, hire my cousin Vinnie.
I said, come back!
unidentified
Come back!
larry elder
I was joking!
I was joking!
But the big thing is that in California we have this endless voting.
Almost six weeks.
And during the campaign, I made, in my opinion, one tactical mistake I made, which I never said anything at my rallies, to go and vote right now.
But I knew people were going to show up and vote on the same day, which they did.
Long lines, almost as long as the election of 2020.
But they had been collecting ballots for almost five or six weeks.
And there's ballot harvesting.
I didn't tell people to do that.
And we need to get in that game.
And in California, registered Republicans are outnumbered by non-registered Republicans three to one.
I got outspent ten to one.
In comes, and for a while, it was a two-step deal.
The first part is, do you want Gavin Newsom recalled?
And if 50% plus one said yes, whoever got the most votes on the replacement side would win.
There were 46 candidates, including myself, on the replacement side.
I got 3.5 million votes, more than almost all the others combined.
California has 58 counties.
On the replacement side, I carry 57 and 58.
The only one I lost was San Francisco, and I lost that by, wait for it, 149 votes.
I raised $27 million in seven weeks.
I raised 27 million dollars in seven weeks. Gavin Newsom outspent me 10 to 1
and for a while the first part of the ballot, do you want Gavin Newsom recalled,
was in the margin of error.
They were scared bleepless.
Big article in the Hollywood Reporter, Gavin Newsom called out all these entertainers to come in, Snoop Dogg tweeted against me, a whole bunch of other celebrities tweeted against me.
In comes Joe Biden, he says, Larry Elder is the closest thing to a Donald Trump clone as I've ever seen.
You're the closest thing to a Donald Trump clone?
I don't know if I should have been flattered or offended.
Barack Obama cut a commercial for him, Kamala Harris did, Warren did, they all did and I took one picture of Donald Trump in my life at that time.
Both of us had our thumbs up together.
I saw that picture over and over and over again.
They kept showing it over and over again, and they said this.
They didn't say, Gavin Newsom is doing a great job for the people of California on crime, on homelessness, on how bad our schools are, on water management, on fire management, and the fact that people are leaving.
No, Gavin Newsom, stop Republican takeover.
That's what they said over and over again.
That was a line.
Stop the Republican takeover.
No matter how bad things are, Republicans will make things worse.
phil labonte
The Democrats haven't run on any of their achievements or anything in almost a decade now.
larry elder
I open my book with this story about what happened after I ran for governor.
I go to a restaurant on the west side of LA.
LA is liberal.
West side is even more liberal.
I get there about 15 minutes before my buddy, and there's a table over here with two ladies, and I think they feel sorry for me sitting there by myself.
So we start talking.
Turns out they're 85 years old.
They've known each other since the second grade.
One of them was celebrating her 85th birthday.
One of them said she's a human rights proponent, whatever that is.
And then about 15, 20 minutes into the conversation, she says, wait a minute, I know who you are.
You're that guy that ran the recall.
You're that Larry Elder.
She smiled.
She said, guess who we voted for?
I said, you didn't vote for me.
I said, how do you know that?
I said, let's see.
We're on the west side of LA.
You're both Jewish.
One of you is a human rights activist.
You didn't vote for me.
And they admitted they had not.
I said, let me ask you something.
How do you feel about the crime?
And they both admitted they knew people who got mugged.
How do you feel about the way Gavin Newsom shut down the state?
They both said that they knew people who lost their businesses.
A third of all restaurants gone forever in California.
How do you feel about schools?
They both admitted they would never put their kid in a public school in Los Angeles to save their lives.
How do you feel about the fact that people are leaving?
They both admitted they lost friends.
I said, so here we are completing each other's sentences, but you didn't vote for me.
Have you ever had a conversation with a conservative Republican before?
They look at each other and they said, we have not.
unidentified
Yeah.
larry elder
I also talk in my book about I've got some back issues.
I know you're a skateboarder.
I could never do that.
I've got some back issues and a friend of mine recommended this massage therapist who said she could do some interesting things with my back.
So I go to this place.
I think it's going to be an office building.
I drive down a residential street.
knock on this house, door opens up, lady comes to the door, she's got tattoos
everywhere, piercings everywhere but her eyeballs, her hair is four or five
different colors, I get hit in the face with a big plume of marijuana smoke, not
that I wouldn't know what that would smell like guys, and she starts working on my back,
and she's playing Motown music, which is my favorite genre of music, not rap, Motown.
And there's a song that comes on, My Girl, probably my favorite song of all time.
And I told her, this is written by Smokey Robinson.
He wrote it for a guy named David Ruffin, who's in the lead singer of The Temptations, who unfortunately had a drug overdose.
And the song comes on.
Oh, this is Marvin Gaye from a song called What's Happening Now.
Barry Gordy, the CEO of Motown, didn't want to record it because Barry liked to control all the rights of recording.
And they did it anyway and became the biggest hit Motown ever had.
Every song that came on, I knew the backstory.
And she said, about a half hour, I know who you are.
When you called to make the appointment, I knew who you were.
I didn't want to say anything because, you know, I didn't vote for you.
Had I known you were this personable and this funny, I would have voted for you.
And I said, I said, do you know any Republicans?
And she said, no.
I said, not one.
She said, no.
I said, let me news bulletin.
We have personalities.
We have sensitive humor.
She didn't know a single Republican!
phil labonte
What is that?
Remember when Bob Dole was running and how stiff he was and then after he got done after the election he went on I think it was SNL and everybody was like if I saw that Bob Dole or a bunch of people were like if I saw that Bob Dole I would have voted for him because he was personable and the way that they wanted him to be on the campaign trail was really stiff and That's what Obama had.
Yeah, he was great.
larry elder
But, Tim, I am funny.
I am personable.
I am likable.
And they know that.
That is why they attacked me the way they did.
And I'm also humble.
That's why the LA Times called me the black face of white supremacy.
In fact, it was not even buried in the article.
It was a headline.
Larry Elder is the black face of white supremacy sub-headline.
You've been warned.
hannah claire brimelow
But you also don't get support from the RNC.
I mean, this year when you were shut out of the debate, they used a crazy, oh, this poll doesn't count, you're affiliated with it, and so is Donald Trump.
larry elder
Don't get me started on that.
Okay, you got me started on that.
No, definitely, definitely.
phil labonte
Because Ronald McDaniel's the worst thing about the Republican Party right now.
hannah claire brimelow
No, shortly after you were here last time.
phil labonte
And there's a lot of things that are bad about the Republican Party!
larry elder
I had to submit three polls where I was at 1% or better.
Done, done, and done.
She calls me up when the deadline is over and says, I can't use, you can't use one of those polls.
I said, which one?
Rasmussen poll.
I said, why?
Because it's affiliated with the Trump campaign.
And it is true, the rules were any poll affiliated with any candidate cannot be used by any other candidate.
And I said, I submitted a fourth one.
And she said, well, you submitted it too late.
Well, it's because I didn't realize I needed to submit four.
And by the way, Rasmussen promptly put out a tweet and said, Larry Elder can use us.
We are not affiliated with the Trump campaign.
And they still didn't put me up.
I threatened to file a complaint with the FEC for $100 million.
My lawyer is the former chair of the FEC.
And he said, by failing to apply the debate criteria fairly to you, what the RNC did essentially was to give an in-kind contribution to the eight people who did make the debate stage, and based on the value of the two hours of the Fox News time, that's $100 million.
I said, if you don't put me on, I went to Milwaukee, even though I was told I wasn't going to be on the stage, I went to Milwaukee, and I told Ronald McDaniel and the RNC, if you don't put me up there, make the announcement by two o'clock, I'm going to file this complaint.
And 2 o'clock came and went, they didn't do it, so I filed the complaint.
So right now they're facing a $100 million complaint that I filed with the FEC.
tim pool
I hope you win.
Me too.
When all the $100 million or whatever we have left goes to you, you have some kind of weird pseudo-alternate version of the RNC which is substantially better than whatever it is they're doing now.
unidentified
Please.
larry elder
Either that or I'll go home.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that there's a way the RNC could write the ship?
I mean, is it a change in leadership that would change these things?
larry elder
I think had Harmeet Dhillon won that election, everything would have been different.
By the way, they didn't help me either during the recall.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's what I remembered first, and then the presidential.
larry elder
Kevin McCarthy at the time told all the dozen or so House representatives to endorse a guy named Kevin Faulkner, two-term mayor of San Diego.
And only two publicly endorsed me.
They were Michelle Lee and Doug LaMalfa from the Sacramento area.
By the way, I carried San Diego County by 30 points.
hannah claire brimelow
Wow.
larry elder
It was obvious that the grassroots wanted me.
I mean, when I announced, I had no idea what was going to happen.
I immediately shot to the top of the polls.
And every time they had a debate, and I didn't go to any of the debates because I was raising money, and also we all knew what the issues were.
I figured all that would happen is we chew each other up and Gavin Newsom would have a lot of sound that he would use against us.
Which is why, by the way, I believe that Nikki Haley should drop out of the race.
She's making Donald Trump spend money.
She's given Joe Biden a lot of sound bites he can use against him.
phil labonte
She made a comment today just just before we started talking about the finding against Trump, which I understand you want to attack your opponent, but it's a totally BS finding, like it's absolutely outside of the realm of reality.
larry elder
Phil, what good does it do?
I mean.
phil labonte
And to use that, it legitimizes it.
hannah claire brimelow
From a person who took a pledge to support whichever Republican could beat Joe Biden.
larry elder
Donald Trump's not the one who let in 8 million people.
Donald Trump's not the one that made us go from energy independent to having gas prices almost twice what they were.
Donald Trump's not the one that made inflation get to 40-year high.
He's not the problem.
He's not the problem.
And it's also, to me, damaging her four years down the road.
Because assuming that Donald Trump is a nominee, and assuming for a moment that he loses, and And we do the post-mortem on your show, Tim.
One of the reasons you're going to offer is that Nikki Haley stayed in too long, cost Donald Trump money that could have been used against Joe Biden, and gave Donald Trump a lot of tape that he used against him in ads.
tim pool
Let me jump to the story as we're talking about this race.
We have this from scnr.com.
Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million in damages to E. Jean Carroll.
Our legal system is out of control and being used as a political weapon, the former president said in response.
Now Trump has repeatedly said he never met this woman.
Many on social media have pointed out that her story about Trump is the plot to an episode of Law & Order SVU.
Yeah, did you not hear that one?
larry elder
No, it was.
It was similar to a plot that was in a law and order.
tim pool
That's right.
larry elder
I'm not saying she got it from there, but awfully coinkydinky, isn't it?
tim pool
And then we have this from Nikki Haley, who tweets, Donald Trump wants to be the presumptive Republican nominee, and we're talking about $83 million in damages.
We're not talking about fixing the border.
We're not talking about tackling inflation.
America can do better than Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
Let me tell you what Nikki Haley is doing here.
First, Donald Trump issued a statement saying he does not want to be the presumptive nominee.
He wants to win legitimately, and these primaries are actually good for him.
So she's lying there, and then she is taking an attack from Democrats to use against the most popular Republican right now.
This is disqualifying.
She's a Democrat, she's got Democrat donors, Democrat voters, and she's using Democrat tactics to try and go after Donald Trump.
larry elder
And using Larry Elder's tagline, for decades I've been saying, we've got a country to save.
And I said it over and over again during the campaign.
All of a sudden Nikki Haley's been saying it.
She's been ending her speeches with, we've got a country to save.
Stole it from the great Elderski.
I get no royalties.
phil labonte
The great Elderski, I love it.
larry elder
And if Donald Trump has to pay her 83 million dollars, why- I should have sued the LA Times for defamation when I was called a blackface of white supremacy.
What could I have gotten?
phil labonte
Well this is what's laughable- Nothing because we live in the logic of Herbert Marcuse.
tim pool
This is laughable.
I actually tweeted something at Frank Luntz because he was talking about it and I'm just like, anybody who works in media and journalism knows this is fake.
And any journalist claiming otherwise is lying to you.
Why?
Every journalist knows Times V. Sullivan, because every day you write about someone, it has to- You work for LA Times?
Oh wait, sorry.
I don't work for LA Times anymore.
You work for the New York Times?
When you're writing a story, it's gotta get checked by legal!
The lawyer goes through and makes sure you're not in violation.
They all are aware of defamation and libel laws.
And so here, Donald Trump is being told to pay $83 million.
He's not allowed to say he didn't do it!
It's remarkable.
But Trump said several times in court when he was going down it, this is not America.
And the scary thing is, we are now in the world where there is no law.
There's none.
There is only left and right jury pools.
Good luck!
larry elder
And double standard.
You've got Navarro facing four months for defying a subpoena.
Meanwhile Eric Holder was the first AG to be found in criminal contempt of Congress for failing to comply with a subpoena when he was required to turn over documents regarding Fast and Furious.
Nothing happened to him.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I mean, there's a complete double standard.
Even though, I mean, even in this case, if you read the excerpt from E. Jean Carroll's book where she accuses Donald Trump, she says it was in maybe the summer or maybe the fall, but maybe the spring.
She can't remember any of the details.
She says the dress is still hung in her closet.
Like all of her allegations are ridiculous on their face.
And he's never been tried in a criminal court.
Right.
He has just been put through civil trial.
tim pool
He's never been allowed to defend himself.
hannah claire brimelow
In fact, he wasn't allowed to defend himself when he was president, just speaking openly, but she was allowed to make allegations with no basis.
phil labonte
There was a boatload of tweets that the Trump defense team wanted to submit that were incredibly graphic.
It's a complete double standard.
whether or not E. Jean Carroll is the kind of person that would be considered
promiscuous or, you know, just really reliable.
And they just said, no, you can't put them into...
hannah claire brimelow
It's a complete double standard.
She was allowed to be treated in a way that Donald Trump was not allowed to be treated.
phil labonte
The problem, and Larry knows this just as well as anyone else,
and it's something that I harp on, we live in the logic of Herbert Marcuse.
We live in a society where one political opinion is acceptable to attack.
It is acceptable to use the government against one group of people that have a certain political opinion.
It is acceptable to be violent against them.
It's acceptable to hit them.
It's acceptable to take their property.
tim pool
I disagree.
phil labonte
You don't think that's the case?
tim pool
That may have been 10 years ago, but since the culture war expanded to the point we're at now with Bud Light, I think it's now clear that institutions have no problem espousing the ideology of their side.
The issue with this is that Donald Trump was sued in New York City, where it is a stronghold of communists.
phil labonte
Jurisdiction does matter, yes.
Fair enough.
tim pool
Donald Trump should sue in West Virginia, where 86% of West Virginians are huge Trump fans.
And the jury pool would be like, we are impartial and Trump should sue her for defamation in West Virginia.
The question is, why does he not?
If Trump went to West Virginia and said, Oh, I got a house here.
I'm suing her here.
He'd win in two seconds.
He'd win $83.3 million.
In fact, he'd win simply because I guarantee you, you, you, you, you poll a hundred West Virginians about this and they're going to be pissed off.
Not everybody's going to know about it.
Don't get me wrong.
But if they know, they're going to be like, they're doing what to Donald Trump?
In fact, you go to the West, you go to Western Maryland.
Okay, Maryland, which is, you know, Baltimore's basically got its boot on it.
And we went to a, we went to a diner and they had flags of Donald Trump riding a tank, standing in a tank with fireworks exploding and him holding like an Uzi.
There's one of him on a velociraptor.
And I'm like, these people love Donald Trump.
Donald.
Sue her back and do it here.
And sue her for defaming you, for claiming falsely.
How amazing would it be?
larry elder
You could even do it in the middle of California.
I talk about this in my book.
I travel up and down the state.
There are large portions of that state where they love Donald Trump.
I'm driving, I see big Trump signs.
The farmers love him.
People in the middle of the state adore him.
It's people in the Bay Area, in San Diego, and in LA.
They're the problem.
tim pool
This is what we need right now.
We need Donald Trump to sue E. Jean Carroll in West Virginia so that we get a default verdict, same as however it is his cases are going down, where they say it was false and defamatory that she claimed Trump assaulted her.
And that she has to pay him because of it.
So then New York says, no, Trump did.
And then West Virginia says, no, she lied.
And then there you go.
The issue right now, what you're bringing up, Phil, is that It's true in the sense that Democrats and their institutions have no problem breaking the rules and doing these things.
The only issue is, I don't see Trump filing a lawsuit.
Trump could just choose to do it.
He's not.
He's not doing it.
phil labonte
I have no qualms with what you're saying, and I agree.
The solution to this stuff is lawfare.
You know, it is to bring as many lawsuits against any politician, any organization that's left-leaning, anything that you can come up with.
hannah claire brimelow
But do you think that meant he would have had to sue E. Jean Carroll in 2019 when she first released this book?
phil labonte
I have no idea.
hannah claire brimelow
Because, I mean, theoretically that would have been the first way to set precedent.
phil labonte
Who cares?
Sue her for something else!
hannah claire brimelow
He would have been the president and they would have freaked out.
tim pool
But it doesn't matter because what we're clearly seeing here is lawfare.
The trial against Trump for fraud in New York is clearly false.
These claims are ridiculous on their face.
So, if they're gonna... I mean, look, they created a new law where women could bring up old cases and sue over it or something like this so that they could... Which case was that?
Was it E. Jean Carroll?
Where she could claim that... Because I think this is a defamation.
This was not related to sexual assault.
hannah claire brimelow
You're talking about her lobbying to change the laws in New York?
tim pool
Well, there was a law that said, you know, we're gonna introduce a one-year window where people can sue over sexual assault.
larry elder
I think it was to go after Harvey Weinstein.
tim pool
Right, okay, that was for Weinstein.
I don't think so.
If they're gonna play this game, And all that really matters is a judge is going to determine, for some reason or another, Trump is not allowed to defend himself.
So let's look at the fraud case.
The judge ruled in default.
He said, nope, Trump committed fraud, end of story, have a nice day, you can't defend yourself.
They just bang the gavel, it's done.
Okay, well, Trump, go to West Virginia and find someone who'll do the exact same thing in the other direction.
There we go.
It's the only way it's going to change.
Or the only moves we can make.
larry elder
And there are a bunch of Republican AGs who also could figure out all sorts of ways to sue Democrats for this, that, and the other.
phil labonte
That's another thing that's maddening is there's plenty of Republican AGs.
They should be inundating Democrat politicians for anything.
It should be no-holds-barred lawfare.
Just as much litigation as possible.
This is the way they want it?
Give it to them.
larry elder
You know, there's so many double standards.
One of them is this election denier stuff.
Hillary for four years referred to Donald Trump as illegitimate, said the election was stolen.
phil labonte
Did you see just the other day when Biden said that the governor of Virginia?
larry elder
No, governor of Virginia was the real governor.
And you had the race in Georgia.
Stacey Abrams claims that she lost because of voter fraud.
Hillary for four years referred to Donald Trump as illegitimate.
Four years!
And the DHS secretary under Obama, Jay Johnson, testified under oath Not a single vote tally was changed by the Russians.
They tried, but they failed to change a single vote tally.
66% of Democrats, according to a YouGov poll, believe the Russians changed vote tallies to get Donald Trump elected.
Jimmy Carter said it!
Imagine a president saying that election was stolen?
phil labonte
It is indescribable to try and explain to people what it's like trying to make people understand
the idea that the conservatives are living in a fantasy world and you hear the rhetoric coming
out of MSNBC and CBS and all the standard narrative producing organizations.
tim pool
The smear merchants.
larry elder
And whenever I've said this, people push back and go, well, Hillary didn't file a lawsuit.
Yes, she did.
She joined the lawsuit that Jill Stein filed against Wisconsin and filed a separate motion to have the recall recount done by hand.
Well, Hillary didn't storm the Capitol on January 6th because she wasn't president.
But Donald Trump got elected in November.
There were 40 cities where there were protests, including violent protests.
Police cars sat on fire.
tim pool
In DC, hundreds were arrested.
And get this, not only were there hundreds of people setting fires, smashing things.
larry elder
That was at the inauguration.
tim pool
At the inauguration.
The city actually paid the rioters.
The city paid the rioters out!
larry elder
Yeah, there were two or three hundred of them as I recall, but I'm talking about when Donald Trump got elected.
There were 40 cities where there were violent protests all over, including setting fire to police stations.
My point is, had Hillary been president and she were on the other foot, and the election was this questionable, you're telling me that her supporters would have said, oh well, let's rub some doughnut and we'll get back to it.
tim pool
So you're saying Barack Obama engaged in insurrection?
Barack Obama and get waged insurrection. In what way? Well, he was president when all of his
supporters went out and started burning things down, so that clearly means Barack Obama...
From his rhetoric. Because I don't recall Donald Trump saying to be violent or storm anything.
In fact, I recall Trump saying, go home. The opposite. Kamala Harris... He said,
larry elder
I want you to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Kamala Harris said
phil labonte
that the people that were out in the streets should be. She literally...
That verbatim and they should be they're not gonna she was saying they're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop
unidentified
They're out there and they should be why do you think people forget these things like all of you?
Get the the BLM riots. Yeah, I don't think they forget. I think the issue is
tim pool
Democrats don't know and don't care I'm gonna use Marion Williamson as a good example
I heard she just dropped out recently, too.
Uh, I don't know if that's true.
phil labonte
Did she?
tim pool
I think- I think she may have.
You wanna check?
But, um, Marianne Williamson is a- is a- is a lovely woman.
She's very nice.
larry elder
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
She's very smart, but she's unfortunately living in Wawa World, where she- She wants the Department of Peace, doesn't she?
unidentified
Well- Yeah.
tim pool
When- when- when- when we had her here, And we said, here is a bad thing that is happening.
She goes, oh my, that is so bad.
I say, here's another bad thing we're concerned about.
She goes, wow, I didn't know that was happening.
larry elder
Wow.
tim pool
When you show her, hey, here's news, like, for example, there's a book called Not My Idea, which is being given to children in public schools, where it depicts white people, a white person as a devil, offering you a whiteness contract.
She nearly cried when she saw it.
The issue with Marianne Williamson and many default liberals is, they are being manipulated by demonic, I mean that figuratively, some might mean it literally, propagandists, and they're not aware of what's going on.
Now, you said, do people forget or not remember?
All of us remember, all of it!
phil labonte
She's still in.
tim pool
She's still in?
Oh, okay, I apologize.
All of us remember all of this stuff, and we talk about it all the time, and we'll be on the show and someone will say, remember when this happened?
Remember when that happened?
It's that people like Marianne and her followers are never exposed to it in the first place.
larry elder
Regarding the George Floyd slash BLM riots, starting in May of 2020, four months long.
They're in the streets because of an assumption that what happened to George Floyd had to do with his race.
The lead prosecutor was a black man.
Opening statement.
I'm a lawyer.
The most important part of a trial is the opening statement.
In his opening statement, he took pains to say police in general are not on trial.
The Minneapolis PD in general is not on trial.
This individual is on trial.
In fact, he said the police are doing a good job.
They have to make split decisions, life and death, in a very short period of time.
This individual's on trial for what he did or what he didn't do, and he was never even charged with a hate crime.
Yet most people out in the streets, because of the assumption that what happened to George Floyd had to do with his race.
There's a website called policemag.com, my last point, and people who are self-described as very liberal were asked, how many unarmed black men did the police kill in 2019?
50% of the self-described very liberal people thought the police killed 1,000 unarmed black men in 2019.
8% thought they killed 10,000.
Wow.
What did the regular self-described liberal people think?
39% of them thought the police killed 1,000 unarmed black men in 2019.
5% thought they killed 10,000.
The answer, according to the Washington Post database, was 12.
That's the gap between what they think is going on and the reality.
No wonder you're out in the street.
I'd be out in the street if I thought the police killed 10,000 unarmed black men every day.
tim pool
I think Ben Shapiro said the same thing.
He was like, man, I think Ben was like, I would be protesting with you if I thought the police were doing this.
larry elder
They're clueless.
And again, the point is that the lead prosecutor of black men never even implied that what Derek Chauvin did had anything to do with George Floyd's race.
hannah claire brimelow
There's a man on the street video where someone uses that data and asks, you know, young black students at a college how many black men are shot every year.
And they're shocked when they find the number is 12.
But there's one guy in particular who argues with him.
He's like, Really, only 12?
Why don't we say like 100?
He's like, no, we can't say 100, the number is 12!
And it's like this thing where the guy just cannot accept it, so he asks to compromise on the number.
larry elder
By the way, unarmed does not mean not dangerous.
Michael Brown was unarmed, but he had just done a strong arm robbery.
His DNA was found on the officer's gun.
So it does not mean you're perceived as dangerous.
Remember a few years ago that guy named Amadou Diallo, immigrant, was cornered because he fit the description.
Police said, show your hands, show your hands.
He goes and reaches into his wallet and they thought it was reason for a gun.
They blew him away.
Hillary called these four officers murderers.
A multi-ethnic jury found all four officers not guilty because the gesture was reasonably perceived as threatening.
Just because you're not armed doesn't mean you're not dangerous.
So even the number 12 is probably even smaller than that.
tim pool
We have had conservatives come on this show, and I have talked about the Ahmaud Arbery case, and they did not know the details of this case.
They still thought it was a guy jogging.
You had when the McMichaels were convicted, and I forgot the other guy's name.
I should probably learn his name, to be honest.
The guy who simply filmed it also went to prison.
You had high-profile prominent conservatives say something to the effect of, this proves conservatives aren't racist.
As if to imply, this time, with Ahmed Arbery, it actually was a racist attack.
When in reality, the issue at hand, found in the court, was not whether or not there was a hate crime committed, it was whether or not While we all agree Ahmaud Arbery was in the act of committing a felony, the question is, did the McMichaels have a right to stop him?
And the jury found the McMichaels did not have a right to stop the man who we believe was committing a felony because they did not witness the felony themselves.
So, any subsequent action was their responsibility.
Ahmaud Arbery confronting them, trying to grab the shotgun from, I believe it's Travis McMichael.
The shotgun goes off a couple times in the fight.
Ahmaud Arbery takes it to the chest and dies.
They are criminally responsible because they should not have.
And fair point, they were told not to.
However, I've had conservatives come on the show and say, oh, wasn't this a white guy's chase on a black guy who was jogging?
And I'm like, my friend, did you read the story?
hannah claire brimelow
But the jogging story got told over and over, it was a headline.
He might have been jogging, da da da, like all the time.
It's William Bryan is the man who video taped it.
unidentified
William Bryan.
tim pool
Despite the fact that police had evidence of him burglarizing a home, That the police had gone door-to-door and say, this is the guy we believe is burglarizing the home, and that a gun had been stolen, so when someone said, hey, it's that guy again, McMichael's got in their car and chased after him.
Called the police, the police said, do not follow.
They should not have followed.
But many people argue the morality of, if your neighborhood is being, you know, effectively terrorized by this repeat burglar, and even someone who even stole a gun, You're going to want to stop that.
There's a moral issue there.
So the question ultimately became, and the jury decided wrong, the law states that if a misdemeanor is committed and you witness it, you have a right to citizen's arrest.
However, if a felony is committed and you do not need to be a witness, simply someone could say that person committed a felony, stop them.
However, because of the way the law was written in a very archaic fashion, the judge said to the jury, you decide whether or not they needed to be witnesses or not, and the jury said they should have been witnesses, therefore they're criminally responsible for the death.
larry elder
Tim, but the big thing is this became a national story, a national narrative.
LeBron James tweets that black people are afraid to leave their homes, when in fact it is rare for a white person to kill a black person anytime.
It is rare.
There are about 20,000 homicides every year.
Most homicide is same-race homicide.
Most blacks who are murdered are murdered by other blacks.
Most whites who are murdered are murdered by other whites.
However, every year there are roughly 750 interracial black-white homicides.
500 white people killed by blacks, even though blacks are just 13% of the population.
250 blacks killed by whites, even though whites make up 60% of the population.
It is very, very rare for it to happen.
That's homicide.
Let's talk about violent crime between blacks and whites.
Roughly 600,000 such instances every year.
By that I'm talking about attempted murder, manslaughter, rape, assault with a weapon, aggravated assault.
600,000 every single year.
85 to 90% is a black perp, white victim.
Only 10% the other way around.
So if anybody has a grievance, it ought to be white people.
Because the numbers overwhelmingly show that they are more likely to be victims of crime by black people than the other way around.
tim pool
But here's the real grievance.
It is white people who hate white people.
unidentified
Or feel guilty, or who knows.
tim pool
We would describe it as out-group preference.
This is the survey that went viral several years ago.
White liberals are the only demographic with a racial out-group preference.
So black people have a slight bias towards black people, Latinos towards Latinos, Asians towards Asians, white conservatives towards white people, liberals against white people.
So I don't think the issue actually is that they have a grievance about white on black crime.
I think that white liberals generally just don't like white people.
And so if anything interrupts their narrative about white people, that's when they go on the offensive.
So for example, Asians don't fit the narrative of white privilege, so Asians don't get included in their benefits package of how we gotta help minorities.
larry elder
Right.
tim pool
So it's really just, white people are bad, have a nice day.
larry elder
Well, I phrased it somewhat differently.
I said, whoever said compound interest is the greatest force in the universe, and by the way, I checked, it wasn't Einstein who said it, whoever said compound interest is the greatest force in the universe never encountered white guilt.
I just think there's a whole bunch of white people that feel really, really bad about slavery, really, really bad about Jim Crow, really, really bad about how black people used to be treated, and this is their way of making up.
tim pool
I hear you, and I can understand that.
But I kind of think they're just white supremacists.
And I mean that in the literal sense.
We saw that Yale study we love to cite, where white liberals speak down to black people.
And white conservatives don't.
White conservatives meet a black guy, they talk to him like normal.
White liberals, they dumb themselves down.
But not even that.
They use second grade vocabulary.
These people, in my mind, I don't think they have white guilt.
I think they have a white superiority complex where they imagine them going like, well, we're so much better than they are.
They need our help.
But I'll give you a quick example.
phil labonte
It's white man's burden.
tim pool
Right.
So I met these activists when I was in North Dakota at the No Dakota Access Pipeline protest.
And I'm there to document stuff.
But of course, it's all leftist protesters who are very, you know, woke.
And I'm sitting down for dinner because I'm friends of friends.
And we get into a conversation.
This one guy brings up... So what happens is I said, I gotta leave tomorrow because I have to drive to California.
I have a meeting at 9 in the morning in three days, so I gotta drive overnight.
And he smirks and says, a meeting at 9am?
He's like, that's colonial thinking.
And I asked him, what does colonial thinking have a meaning?
And he's like, it's colonial thinking, dude, like having a schedule to wake up.
You think the Native Americans do that?
They wake up when they need to wake up.
They wake up when the sun comes up.
And I was like, white people didn't invent time or scheduling, dude.
And he was like, yeah, they did.
It was the colonists who brought all that stuff.
And I was like, bro, People in Asia have time and can track the hours of the day and decide we should meet at a certain point of the day.
And he goes, no, it's it was white people who brought that.
And I was like, my dude, the Chinese invented compasses 1000 years before you did.
And he goes, no, it's it's white Europeans who brought that stuff to China.
And I'm like, Holy crap, this guy literally thinks white Europeans invented everything, developed science and technology, and then exported that to Asia.
And I'm like, is this true?
China invented compasses a thousand years before Europeans did.
I don't hold that against, or I don't say, wow, Asia, you're so great, or Europe, you're so dumb.
It's just a thing that happened.
But these people believe white people invented everything.
They're just white supremacists.
hannah claire brimelow
They invented it to oppress other people.
That's the other part.
To benefit themselves and to make it harder for everyone else to exist.
tim pool
They made the compass to control direction.
phil labonte
They invented racism.
hannah claire brimelow
They invented gravity to keep us all down.
I mean, white people are out of control.
phil labonte
That's a joke, but when it comes to racism, part of the theory is white people created racism in order to oppress other races.
larry elder
Have you seen that video that Ami Horowitz did regarding voter ID?
tim pool
Oh, it's a classic.
larry elder
Oh my.
They asked all these college students, you know, why is it that black people can't get
voter ID?
Well, they just don't have access to the internet.
So he goes to Harlem.
tim pool
He says, he asks them, do you think a black person would not be able to get an ID or whatever?
And they all say, yeah, they said no.
larry elder
Yeah, they couldn't.
They don't have access to computers.
phil labonte
Unreal.
tim pool
So they can't find the DMV.
larry elder
So they go to Harlem.
Do you have an ID?
Yeah, I got an ID!
Of course they do, they're people!
Do you know anybody who has an ID?
I don't know anybody who doesn't have an ID.
tim pool
My favorite, my favorite, I have to bring up my favorite, my favorite, is one of the excuses the Berkeley kids give is they have trouble finding the DMV.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so he meets this like older black guy and he's like, can I ask you a question?
And he's like, yeah.
And he's like, do you know where the DMV is?
And he goes, oh yeah, just go up here on 25th Avenue.
He's giving him directions like it's a normal question.
larry elder
That's the thing, it's like, it's like... And one woman was told that a lot of people don't think you can get ID.
And she said, who thinks that?
And he said, do you think it's racist?
She said, yeah, kind of.
phil labonte
There's this thing that goes on in like the critical social justice movement and stuff is they want to think about their blackness first.
And it's like, they forget that they're people.
It's like, these are normal people things to do.
Finding out where in the city a building is, is not some massive challenge.
The idea that a whole entire race can't find an address, it's so offensive.
tim pool
Think about what these Berkeley kids must think of the average intellect of a black person who can't figure out what a building is a few blocks away.
I mean, that is a white supremacist idea.
People could not find a building.
larry elder
I'm on the campaign.
I announced before Tim Scott did.
Tim Scott announces.
I get a phone call from a reporter.
You and Tim Scott are both black Republicans.
What distinguishes you from Tim Scott?
I said in 2016 when Donald Trump announced it, you say you are both white Republicans.
What distinguishes you from Jeb Bush?
And she was quiet for 15 seconds.
She said, point made.
hannah claire brimelow
But she's not sorry she asked!
She said point made, but she's gonna ask it again!
larry elder
Well, she withdrew the question, so I didn't... I mean, I would have trolled her relentlessly.
unidentified
Like, I would have just started... I said I'm better looking.
tim pool
No, I mean, I would just say a bunch of self-deprecating racist things.
Is that what you wanted to hear?
hannah claire brimelow
No, it's crazy, but I do think that they ultimately...
Race is at the forefront of a progressive mind always.
Always.
And they are always, because they are all, I think, whether it's they hate themselves because they're... It's by design.
It's whatever it is, they ultimately use that to say, well, everything I've heard that is a stereotype about another race that could potentially be perceived negatively, I have to make sure I'm on guard against it at all times.
phil labonte
What you're describing is the result of people being taught critical race theory.
Critical race theory in and of itself is not ideas.
Critical race theory is a way to approach the world.
It is seeing race Before anything else so when we were arguing.
Oh, we don't want to teach kids critical race theory.
We weren't arguing Oh, you don't want kids to know history or know that there are different types of people different color people in America Whatever it is.
We don't want people to have the illiberal view that race comes before the human being.
tim pool
I gotta read this super chat from Jason Hutchison, because he makes a really good point.
Black people work at the DMV.
unidentified
But they get lost all the time.
Dude, these Berkeley college kids are like that racist.
phil labonte
If you're black and you get hired at the DMV, you have to ask for directions every day.
larry elder
I make this point in my book.
I was in Boston in 2004 when this guy with funny ears, skinny guy, whose name nobody could pronounce, came out and gave the intro speech for John Kerry.
And Barack Obama said, there's no blue America, there's no red America, people went nuts.
There's no black America, there's no white America, people went nuts.
He decided to run for president.
He's on 60 Minutes.
He was not yet the frontrunner, but he's catching Hillary.
And the correspondent said, Senator, if you don't win, will it be because of race?
And I sat back and I said, let's see what this guy says.
He's going to give some sort of victocrat answer the way Al Sharpton did when he ran and lost and claimed it was racism, or Jesse Jackson ran twice and lost and said it was racism.
Senator Obama said, no.
If I don't win, it will be because I have not articulated a view that the American people can embrace.
He also gave a speech at a black church when he was running.
He talked about how much racism he thought was still in America.
And he said, the Moses generation, referring to the generation of Martin Luther King, the Moses generation has gotten us 90% of the way there.
My generation, the Joshua generation, has to get us that additional 10%, which I thought, Phil, was reasonable because there was a Fox Opinion post, 2002, 8% of Americans believe Elvis is still alive.
6% believe if you send him a letter he'll get it.
So it's 8% you gotta wipe out.
So basically what he's saying is we have 2% to work on.
He gets elected.
Both polls show that blacks and whites thought race relations would improve.
When he left both blacks and whites thought they got worse.
tim pool
Why?
larry elder
For eight years this dude played the race card time and time and time again.
From the Cambridge Police Act is stupidly Trayvon Martin.
He invoked Black Lives Matter.
He talked about Ferguson at a UN speech.
Gave an interview to a podcaster and said racism is in America's DNA.
tim pool
So this is what communists do.
larry elder
And then he brought in Al Sharpton over 70 times.
What happened to the guy that I saw in Boston?
tim pool
That's what communists do.
larry elder
Was he lying?
phil labonte
Was he lying at the time?
If Barack Obama is actually a Marxist or does not have a liberal worldview, then he It's completely within reason to think that he was lying, because those ideologies are intentionally subversive.
They will lie.
larry elder
He has to have been lying, because what he said is just the opposite of what he ran on.
The guy that America thought they hired, even people who didn't vote for him were crying, because they said, we've reached a threshold here.
In 1964, MLK gives a speech before British television, and he said, I'm amazed, this is right after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 64, he said, I'm amazed at the progress America's made in the last couple of years.
Why, in 40 years time, we could have a black president.
Almost on cue, Barack Obama.
He didn't say in 40 years time there'll be black CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, and there have been.
He didn't say in 40 years time there'll be black presidents of Ivy League universities, and there are.
He didn't say the three biggest cities would all have black mayors, LA, New York, Chicago, and they do.
He said president, meaning once it happens, it's done.
It's done.
And now people act like it never even happened.
This is the only majority white country that's ever elected, let alone re-elected, a black president.
Only majority white country that's had a secretary of state that's black.
We had back-to-back black secretaries of state.
Secretary of Defense is black.
I mean, knock it off!
The two most prestigious professions in America are, are powerful anyway, are doctors and lawyers.
The AMA is the biggest trade association of doctors.
We've had two black presidents of the AMA.
There's been a black president of the ABA.
What more do you need to say in order to prove that for the most part, if you...
If you go to school, invest in yourself, avoid the criminal justice system, don't make bad moral mistakes, you'll be fine in America no matter what race you are.
What more needs to happen in order for us to say that?
tim pool
I think sane, rational people who pay attention to what's going on in the world understand.
And the people who live in the MSNBC CNN bubble are staring at the screen while drooling.
larry elder
I think you're right.
phil labonte
But the problem is those people are so numerous, or they're numerous enough that when combined with the malicious, they probably make a majority of Americans.
Between dumb and actually malicious looking to use these things for power, that's probably enough to be a majority.
larry elder
And Tim, think about MSNBC.
This is a network that gave a show to Al Sharpton.
He has a show every weekend.
This is a guy who became famous by falsely accusing a white man of raping Tawana Brawley.
They have him on tape agreeing to sell cocaine.
He did the Freddy's Fashion Mart thing.
He was in the middle of the 1991 Crown Heights riots that one Jewish leader called the most serious pogrom in the history of America.
He's made disparaging remarks about Jews, about gays, and he has a show every week on MSNBC and is perceived to be a Democrat kingmaker.
All these Democrats ran for president, went to Harlem and kissed his ring.
It's amazing!
Stunning!
Can you imagine David Duke having a show on Fox?
What we would say?
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
It would never happen, right?
larry elder
Of course it would never happen.
It should never happen.
And Sharpton shouldn't have a show either.
hannah claire brimelow
Sharpton should definitely not have a show.
larry elder
Oh my goodness.
hannah claire brimelow
And he is extremely divisive and encourages racial tensions wherever he goes.
I mean, that's how he makes his money, right?
larry elder
He was in the streets of Ferguson before one moment of testimony had been taken, and the officer was found completely exonerated.
They shot and killed Michael Brown, and there he's in the streets.
No justice, no peace, no justice, are you kidding me?
tim pool
Hands up, don't shoot.
larry elder
Are you kidding me?
They still say it.
hannah claire brimelow
He delivered the eulogy at Jordan Neely, the performer in New York who was in the chokehold.
He immediately was like, well, I'll deliver the eulogy because this was definitely a racial thing, never mind the fact that the guy had an arrest record and people called in saying he's threatening people on the subway.
tim pool
You know what I think?
I think New York wants to terrify people into fleeing because the only people willing to stay in a city that's going through what it's going through are people who are going to vote Democrat.
And so you bring in a bunch of illegal immigrants, you increase your congressional seats, and then you guarantee half the people you brought in, well, or half the people in your district can't vote because they're not citizens.
Now all you need is 20,000 votes from these people, no conservative opposition whatsoever.
You look at what's going on with the, you know, was it Daniel Penny in New York, right?
Because there's Perry as well in Texas.
larry elder
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
And he's the one who held Jordan Ely in New York.
tim pool
Exactly.
And people are like, I'm out.
I don't want to live here anymore.
And they're like, good riddance because you were at risk of voting Republican.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I wanted you to go.
That's interesting.
phil labonte
Yeah.
My, my, my, uh, well, one of the guys that I'm in business with on the music side, like he's looking to get his family out of there.
He's a Jewish guy.
He lives on Long Island and he's got, you know, his kids go to a Jewish school and he's like, we are looking to get the hell out of here.
And, you know, he's a fairly conservative guy, you know, and he's just like, I don't feel safe here.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's not worth taking a risk when you have a family, right?
I mean, I think you've talked about this a little bit, the effect that fathers have on the family.
I think having a family really changes the way people view the world.
And that's one of the reasons everything that we have.
We have a society that our government, at least, that wants you to work, not have children, defer having children, don't get married.
We take away people's ability to look at one another and say, hey, I have to do what I need to do to protect you and to invest in your future.
larry elder
Which is why Black Lives Matter is so offensive.
On their website, they attack the nuclear family.
phil labonte
Yeah.
larry elder
On their website.
You know, Barack Obama wrote a book, which was very good, the first book, Dreams from My Father.
It's all about the angst he felt because he didn't have his biological father in his life.
Last time he saw his biological father, he was 10 years old.
Wow.
Al Sharpton.
Al Sharpton had a nice middle class life until his father ran away with another woman and then down to the hood he went.
Jesse Jackson was raised by a single mom who was impregnated by the married man who lived next door.
And in South Carolina, where Jesse Jackson was raised, he was taunted by kids saying, Jesse ain't got no daddy, Jesse ain't got no daddy.
Al Sharpton's mother was estranged from her father, had a boyfriend, took back up with the father briefly, got pregnant with Al Sharpton, and tried to abort him with a coat hanger.
My point is, these are probably four of the most prominent so-called black leaders in America, all of whom either had no relationship with their own father or a bad one, yet they don't talk about it!
They don't talk about it, but they talk about systemic racism.
And it's never been less of a problem in America, racism, than today.
phil labonte
And they just demonize men for being men.
tim pool
I would say you are correct.
Fifteen years ago, but with the rise of the woke left, racism is becoming a big problem.
larry elder
Yeah.
tim pool
But it's not the way they're describing it.
larry elder
The perception of racism.
tim pool
No, no, no.
The left has created segregated schooling programs.
In Sacramento they had a white racial affinity group for students.
They've been doing these POC only and non-POC rooms.
Dearborn, Michigan did this.
All the white people in one room.
So it is becoming a problem because of what the left is doing.
larry elder
Agreed.
phil labonte
And if you are trained, again, if you are trained or if you are educated in a way where the first thing that in every subject, the first thing that's brought up is race somehow, whether you're talking about geography or whether you're talking about math or whether you're talking about history, whatever, if somehow all of the topics are tinged with racial discussion, you're going to be racist.
Like that you are going to create racist people because there is going to be a certain percentage of the white people that hear, oh, all white people are bad, that are going to resent it and that are going to push back and say, well, screw you.
I'm going to create a white affinity group.
And you'll end up with more people that are white supremacists, more Nazis.
You'll end up with blacks and minorities that hate white people because they're told, hey, all the white people are your problem.
These things, these are problems that we are creating for our society.
We are making these problems ourselves.
We don't have to do this.
larry elder
And we're not being honest about it.
Rasmussen is the only one that does this.
He asks blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and whites, of the four groups, which one is the most racist?
White said blacks.
Asians said blacks.
Hispanics said blacks.
Blacks said blacks.
Blacks are two and a half times more likely than non-black gentiles to be anti-semitic.
We have a real problem in the black community with anti-semitism and anti-white bigotry and nobody talks about it.
tim pool
I want to get your thoughts on something because I've told this story on the show before.
It's from Occupy Wall Street and we were all sitting around in the middle of the park Across the street from Occupy was, I think it was a Burger King, that people would use the bathroom in, and, uh, there was this, uh, this black dude that we were all friends with said, I'm gonna, I'll be right back guys, I'm gonna run to Burger King and, uh, hit the bathroom.
This white guy goes, hey, when you're over there, can you grab me a double cheeseburger?
And he goes, what?! !
And he just walks off.
And everyone was like, huh?
He comes back and he's like, you see what happened, man?
We were talking and I was like, what happened?
He's like, asking me to get a cheeseburger for him.
And I was like, oh, what do you mean?
He's like, like I'm his boy, like I'm going to get his food for him.
And I was like, I think he's your friend.
And he just wanted to see if you'd grab him a cheeseburger when you're over there.
He's like, no, you don't understand, dude.
You don't understand what it's like and what racism and how it works.
And he perceived that request as racist.
larry elder
Well, maybe your friend was hungry.
hannah claire brimelow
How racist of him.
tim pool
But that's what I felt. I was kind of like, I mean, when I've been asked several times during Occupy to like, if I'm
going over there to grab a cheeseburger, I've never assumed it was because of my race or my gender or anything about me.
I was just like, my friend wanted a cheeseburger.
phil labonte
It's a normal response when someone says that to be like, you know what? I really kind of don't want to know either
and like, be like, I feel uncomfortable here and I want to not be in this situation.
So I don't want to be around to listen to you explain to me what it's like to be asked to get a cheeseburger.
You know, it makes for an uncomfortable situation.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it pushes people farther apart because they can't talk about like, hey, why did this upset you?
Instead, it's like, I've clearly done something wrong, so we're not going to talk about it.
The other person.
phil labonte
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Doesn't get to hear, oh, I just meant it like I would have done the same for you.
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
You were just going to run an errand.
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
You're my friend.
I just wanted to see if you were going over there, I'd pay you back.
unidentified
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
It's ultimately this.
unidentified
Low trust.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's low trust and it inhibits communication.
I mean, that's what all of this is about, making it so that no one can actually say, well, I feel this way about something.
This is how I perceive this and feel like it is not someone trying to have a power grab and have influence over their life, trying to oppress them in some way.
larry elder
I have a friend that I grew up with about six blocks from my house.
I grew up in South Central.
Both of us are black, of course.
And he was the most gifted athlete that I've ever seen.
He was a quarterback for the high school team.
He was the starting two-guard on the basketball team.
He was the best pitcher on the baseball team.
He picked up a tennis racket, never took a lesson, hit it against the back wall for two weeks, and then tried it out and made the tennis team.
He had a bad attitude though.
He would come late to practice, but he still got started because the coach wanted to win.
So fast forward, I go away to college.
I go away to law school.
I come back to visit him.
He changed his name to a Muslim name.
All of a sudden, the white man is oppressing him.
And I said, dude, you and I went to the same schools, had the same teachers, took the same classes.
How come the white man didn't stop me?
Oh man, you've been indoctrinated.
And he changed his name to a Muslim name, and I told him that the Muslim slave trade was probably more vicious and more nasty than the European slave trade.
The rate of death for the black slaves was higher.
He said, oh, you're reading white historians.
I said, Henry Louis Skip Gates is a white historian.
He's the head of the black studies department at Harvard.
This is how vicious this kind of stuff is.
Mine was totally corrupted.
We started yelling at each other, screaming at each other.
I told him he was a victim and I said, go look in the effing mirror.
Your problem is you.
And until you man up, you're always going to live like this.
phil labonte
Not only does that steal happiness now, it steals your motivation to make your life in the future better.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
phil labonte
Like, you're angry, you're upset, you feel like it's someone else's fault, so that makes you feel like you can't do anything about it.
You're told you can't do anything about it.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, it's to what you said.
phil labonte
It's emasculating.
hannah claire brimelow
It ultimately says to him, like, you are dependent on the world around you.
There is no way for you to come up, so you might as well submit to it.
And sort of cry out and protest as feebly as you can.
And I think that must be a completely horrifying experience to go through.
On the other hand, it is his mentality to change.
Nothing can save him from himself.
tim pool
I gotta tell you the great life lesson that poker brings.
You know what that lesson is?
It doesn't matter what cards you're dealt, it matters how you play them.
80% of winning poker hands are not the highest ranked hand.
So you can be given the dirt, but if you play it smart, you figure it out, you can come out on top of everybody else.
larry elder
You know, Tim, I don't play poker, but I remember watching 60 Minutes, a guy named Phil Ivey, who's black.
tim pool
Oh yeah?
Yeah, he's one of the best.
larry elder
At the time, maybe the best.
He was being asked by the correspondent, who's black, James Brown, he said, how are you able to deal with your race as a poker player?
And Phil said, Poker, the only color that matters in poker is green.
And James Brown was taken aback by that.
Dodgers were in the World Series a few years ago, and Mookie Betts had done a game-winning home run or something like that, being interviewed by another black guy named Harold Carmichael, I think, on ESPN.
Yo, Mookie, everybody's talking about this.
You're the only black player in the World Series.
When did you first realize that?
And Mookie Blake said, uh, now?
unidentified
He didn't know what to say.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
Phil Ivey's a legend.
He's one of the best poker players.
larry elder
Now, how about this new coach for the New England Patriots?
Bob Craft, the owner, has a press conference to introduce him and says, I hired him because he's the best.
I look for the best.
I hired him because he's the best.
phil labonte
I'm from Massachusetts, so.
larry elder
Okay, so Gerard Mayo comes on.
He goes, well, you know, it's very important to have diversity in the locker room.
And when people say, I don't see color, what they really are saying is, I can't see racism, so I see color.
Just the opposite of what his boss just said!
Hello, is this thing on?
He just said you got hired because you're the best, now you're saying you got hired because of DEI?
You just undermined yourself!
phil labonte
The New England Patriots had a 20-year dominating dynasty, and the main thing that everybody said every week was, do your job.
That was the slogan every week.
That was on all the gear.
That's what Tom Brady was saying.
Tom Brady didn't get up there and talk about how great he was.
He was just like, you know, everybody went out there, they did their job.
Belichick says the same thing, do your job.
And this guy's like, man, I can't do it.
I'm the wrong color.
larry elder
And your boss just said the opposite.
He just said the opposite.
He just said, I hired you because you're the best.
Now you're saying, well, it's all about making sure there's diversity in the life.
phil labonte
What?
hannah claire brimelow
Also, I'm just going to say, like, NFL doesn't really have a diversity problem from what I understand.
I mean, maybe on the coaching level is the argument, but that's not really been true for a long time.
tim pool
There's a viral TikTok video from, I think it's like a young black woman.
And I can't remember exactly what it was.
I think she's a nurse.
And she said, how to tell that you're the diversity hire.
And then she's like, they never invite you to meetings, but they keep asking you to do photo shoots for their brochures.
But she like holds it up.
Something like that.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
But what you end up with with these policies and you know Charlie Kirk was talking about this.
You get people in high positions of these companies who will hire someone to put them in a closet somewhere, figuratively, like, just hire them, shuffle them off, and then write down on your California DEI report, you've got 10% black people or whatever.
And it's just like, they look at it not as, I'm gonna hire this person for a job, they're looking at it like, every year we have to spend X amount of dollars to satisfy our diversity requirements.
So they end up with people who just sit there.
larry elder
Or people who are not competent.
And if they're not competent, then you have to lower your evaluation standards in order to justify why you hired them.
In which case the product becomes inferior.
The service becomes inferior.
You're not helping anybody.
We have a proposition in California in the 90s called 209.
Which made it illegal to use race as a factor for college admissions and for hiring and for contracting.
And all these left-wing people said, when you do this, blacks won't be able to get into UC Berkeley and UCLA because of race-based preferences being eliminated.
And it is true.
It got passed, and there were fewer blacks admitted into UC Berkeley and fewer blacks admitted into UCLA.
However, they were admitted at UC Irvine, UC Riverside, the less competitive campuses, and were more likely to graduate on time without student debt.
Which shows you that the people that you thought were benefiting were in fact not being benefited, they were being hurt.
tim pool
And they tried to repeal this?
larry elder
They tried to repeal it, and even left-wing California, L.A.
Times endorsed the repeal, even left-wing California kept it in.
A friend of mine who was a celebrity was posting on Instagram in support of repealing this, and so... And by the way, the repealing side outspent the non-repealing side 10 to 1, and still lost.
tim pool
So I had an interesting conversation with my very lefty Hollywood actress friend, and posting on Instagram supporting the repealing of this, which would allow racial discrimination in public contracting, education, and a few other places.
And I said to her, I said, what percentage of California is white?
Do you know the number?
larry elder
Probably about 40, 45 percent.
6.5 percent black, maybe another 9 percent or so is Asian, and the rest are Hispanic.
tim pool
40 percent.
God, am I good.
larry elder
God, am I good.
tim pool
I mean, especially considering you were running.
But I was like, so you're proposing that California make it Legal for public contracting and schools to discriminate on the basis of race.
And she's like, yes.
And I was like, and the largest racial demographic in California is white people.
Yes.
I said, do you think that all of these white people will just, and I said, do you think white people are racist?
And she goes, yes.
And I said, so you think the 40% of white people who have political, who politically dominate certain areas, you think they'll decide after this law is repealed to be less racist?
She's like, no.
And I'm like, so is it possible then in say a city where it is 80% white when they're having elections or when they're putting up public jobs or schooling, they put up signs saying whites only?
She's like, yeah.
And I'm like, why would you want that to be the case?
And she didn't realize, I don't know.
And I'm like, listen, how about we all just agree?
We do not want anyone to judge or ban or anybody because of race and just pick the person they think should have the job.
larry elder
Shocking.
tim pool
Yeah.
larry elder
Chris Matthews had a show on MSNBC for a long time, and one time in an unguarded moment, he said, you know, most white people would not vote for a white person if they thought he was racist.
He even said that.
Yeah.
In California, roughly it's about maybe 6% or so percent black, about 9 or 10% Asian, and the rest is split between whites and Hispanics.
So the police department exactly reflects the demographic of Los Angeles.
Yeah, when something goes down, if it's a white cop shooting a black person or a Hispanic, the same activists come out and start screaming systemic racism.
So it didn't even matter.
During the O.J.
Simpson case, the chief of police was a black man.
We had back-to-back black police chiefs in.
He did a study during the trial to find out if anybody did anything with the evidence tampering it.
Found out nobody did anything wrong.
Report came out it didn't matter.
Black police chief didn't matter.
tim pool
I met this lefty black activist in New York 10 years ago, and he said something really interesting to me.
I asked him if he thought Donald Trump was racist.
I was like, do you really think Trump is racist?
He's like, oh, yeah, of course.
And I was like, really?
Then he goes, yeah.
And he's the least racist president we've ever had.
And I was like, wait a minute.
And he's like, oh, come on.
He's like, we've had presidents who've owned slaves.
Trump is the least racist president we've ever had.
And I was like, that's actually a really interesting point.
phil labonte
I mean, if you want to say that, like, everybody has their own biases and there are people that are, you know, everyone, like, that are, like, more selective to their own, people that are of their own color, that kind of stuff is almost, like, self-evident to some degree.
Like, people, that's just kind of, like, you see people end up, like, they move to the same neighborhoods with people like them and, you know, that's just the way people are.
But just – and if you want to call that racism, that might be – might be everybody's
larry elder
racism, but if not – Under Trump, best economy ever for black people.
He expanded so-called enterprise zones to lower taxes and regulations in certain distressed
areas to improve the economy for black people.
He supports school choice, which is what the majority of black and brown people living
in the inner city support.
The Democrat Party does not, but he does.
He secured the borders.
The person most hurt by legal aliens are unskilled black people in the inner city who have to
compete against them for jobs.
There was a study done by the Civil Rights Commission a few years ago that said a million
fewer blacks are working than would otherwise be the case, but for the presence of illegal
aliens.
And illegal alien labor puts downward pressure to the tune of almost $2,000 per year on the
salaries of people living in the inner city.
He pardoned Jack Johnson, the first black heavyweight champion, who was imprisoned for
violating the so-called Mann Act, i.e.
he brought white women across state lines for sex.
He was thrown in jail for that.
And Ken Burns, a lefty, and Sylvester Stallone both lobbied George W. Bush and Barack Obama to pardon this guy.
Neither of them did.
Donald Trump did.
Dondruk commuted the sentence of a woman named Alice Johnson who had a very long
sentence in jail for, in prison for a nonviolent drug offense and he signed
the First Step Act which allowed, turned out about four or five thousand mostly
black people to have their sentences reduced an average of 70 months per
prisoner. If this dude is racist he needs to go back to racism school.
unidentified
He grew up in New York you know. He needs to take some radio courses. I think racism school is
hannah claire brimelow
probably Berkeley. But Larry, Joe Biden had the very first chief diversity and inclusion
unidentified
officer in the White House so obviously he's less racist.
larry elder
Clearly.
phil labonte
You mentioned something.
larry elder
And speaking of Joe Biden, this guy has lied about his so-called civil rights record for decades!
You know, I grew up in the black church.
People in the black church there in question said we never saw him.
I desegregated movie theaters and restaurants in Wilmington, Delaware.
Even the New York Times said there's no evidence at all and that his aides, quote, gently reminded him to stop saying it.
Biden kept saying it anyway.
I was with Andy Young.
We tried to visit Nelson Mandela.
We got arrested.
Andy Young said no, he didn't.
hannah claire brimelow
He just makes stuff up constantly, and it's almost impressive because it's getting more and more brazen all the time.
Even though we have the internet, it's way easier to fact check it.
larry elder
He's amazing!
Remember, his first wife and young daughter were tragically killed in a car accident.
And Joe Biden said, the man who drove the truck that killed my wife and my daughter was drunk.
hannah claire brimelow
And that wasn't true.
larry elder
No evidence at all.
The man was drunk.
Moreover, the evidence suggests that his wife was the one at fault.
The man who investigated it at the time became a judge and he said, there's no evidence that this man was drunk.
The man's daughter came to Joe Biden and said, would you please stop saying this?
My father feels guilty as hell already.
And Joe Biden said, you're right.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't have said it.
hannah claire brimelow
And at the time, he had so much media attention on him, right?
He was this senator and he had these young children, he was just tragic.
He knew he was ruining this person's life to make himself sound more sympathetic and did it again and again and again.
I mean, that's true with all of this, right?
He does things to make himself seem palatable, to make himself seem sympathetic to the cause that he's courting.
So with all the stories about being a civil rights activist, it's to say to minority people, oh, no, I help you and I see your causes.
But he doesn't actually do anything.
He puts in this chief diversity officer.
This is off my mind because this person resigned today after three years on the job just to say, look, I am the most diverse person.
I am the person who encourages the diverse hiring in the White House.
No one did this before me.
And it's so if he doesn't win the election when Trump is reelected, For him to say, well, Trump doesn't have a chief diversity officer, even though I specifically created this position.
larry elder
And Hannah, he goes on Charlemagne Tha God and says, you ain't really black unless you know whether you want to vote for me or vote for Donald Trump.
Who does that?
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
It's the most arrogant and, to me, racist thing of all time.
Because what he's saying is, I don't actually care about anything that affects you.
I just want you to be dumb enough to vote for me on nothing.
phil labonte
The policies that the left wants don't do what the left says the policies will do.
So right off the bat, if you're arguing for leftist policies, you are lying.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, but if you're Joe Biden, you're not only arguing for bad policies, you're just making stuff up, right?
phil labonte
Well, yeah, he does.
But the economic policies that the left wants, they produce poverty.
They disincentivize enterprise.
They disincentivize people from working.
tim pool
I was going to read a note, but I got a comment now, because there's a viral clip of this guy named Professor Richard Wolff, who has to be one of the most disingenuous or stupid professors I've ever had the displeasure of having listened to.
And he has this viral lecture he does.
People were retweeting it, it was getting hundreds of thousands of views, and said, this is required learning for every school.
What does he say?
unidentified
He does this bit where he goes, if you're going to be hired by an employer, Let's say you negotiate, whatever.
And he says, I'll pay you $20 an hour.
You have to produce more than $20 of value per hour in order for him to hire you.
So at the end of the day, if you feel like you're being ripped off, it's because you are.
tim pool
And it's just like a five-year-old came up with this.
Yeah.
A five-year-old came up with the idea that so I did I earlier today I recorded like a half an hour breakdown of just everything wrong with it and it's funny because I'm probably like my audience the people who watch my clips in the morning probably know even more about it than I do because they run businesses and they have jobs but I was like let's invert this.
Let's invert the proposition brought up by this Marxist professor because he cites Karl Marx in his argument.
A guy, let's say Phil, wants to hire Kellan.
Kellan is going to produce widgets.
So Phil says...
You make widgets for me, I pay $20 an hour.
Callan says, I can make one widget per hour.
Phil says, okay.
Phil then has to pay the taxes, manage the business, source the materials for the widget production, and then figure out how to sell the widget.
So Phil does all of that.
Phil ends up getting paid $5.
He sells the widget for $25.
So that extra $5 value goes into his pocket for what he's doing.
Let's invert the proposition.
My response to this guy would be, I got an idea.
If I wanted to hire someone to make widgets, let's say skateboards, and they said I can make one skateboard per hour for $50, but I know that you're going to get $10 extra in my labor because I'm a Marxist who listens to this lefty guy, so I refuse.
I'm worth more than that.
I say, okay, let's make a different deal.
You make the skateboard and then pay me to sell them.
How much do you want to pay me to do your sales?
What do you mean?
How much are you going to pay me to do the sales work for you?
So now you pick up the managerial stuff, you pick up the regulatory work, you pick up insurance or whatever it is you need, you source the materials, you pay for all that, then you bring me the skateboard, I will sell it for you and I'll take 20% of the sales.
phil labonte
You get to own the means of production.
tim pool
Congratulations.
The only issue at hand with the proposition of an employer and employee is who is accepting risk and who is not.
Because you could flip employer and employee in either direction and the only thing that matters is who assumes the risk.
Guaranteeing a salary to someone to make a product means they don't gotta think about it, they don't gotta worry about it, they get paid a flat rate, and they can go home and cash that check.
But if Phil ends up paying for a hundred widgets and cannot sell them, he's bankrupt, he loses everything, and he can't buy dinner.
larry elder
Well, that guy also loses his job.
tim pool
That's true.
larry elder
Yeah, eventually.
You gotta make a profit.
tim pool
Right.
But it's laughable.
larry elder
Which is also why, Tim, the minimum wage, and people on the left love to jack it up, hurts the very people who are unskilled.
Because you're requiring somebody to pay for something you can't do, you can't produce.
And Milton Friedman said the minimum wage law is perhaps the most, quote, anti-Negro law in the statute books.
Wow.
One time, a black teenager was more likely to be employed than a white teenager.
Now in the inner city you find 50% unemployment for people looking for jobs largely because the minimum wage has priced them out of competition You're not able to produce $15 worth of stuff.
So why should I pay you $15?
tim pool
You're not gonna work about six years ago six or seven years ago I was I had a meeting with an accountant dude, you know start picking up accounting work for us and And the company was much smaller back then.
I don't think they had any employees.
So New Jersey had a law in the books where the minimum wage was increasing a set amount over a period of time.
And he told me that they lost, I think, 30% of their customers in the latest minimum wage increase.
Right.
And he was like, so obviously we as an accounting firm, we're actually taking a hit and we're going to have to lay some people off.
The reason we lost 30% of our clients is because they went out of business overnight.
He's like, what you gotta understand is if they say they're increasing the hourly rate of select server staff from $10 to $11 an hour, they want to do it slowly, so they say, you know, $10 to $10.50, now it's going from $10.50 to $11.
The people who are running these small diners, the people who have, you know, a small restaurant or pizza place, or it's, you know, maybe an antique store or something, They're on razor-thin margins, in a tough economy, and they're not paying themselves as much as they pay out in labor.
One day, the dial gets clicked over, and now they have to find 30% more in wages, so either they increase the prices, which causes a customer shock, they don't get as many customers in because the customers don't have the money to pay the increase.
Overnight, he's like, within a span of a few months, one by one, they fall down like dominoes, and they say, thank you for everything you've done for us, but we're closing the doors.
larry elder
There was a study about New Jersey and Pennsylvania, this is in the 90s, and one state raised the minimum wage, the other one didn't.
So this gave you an ideal laboratory to find out what's going to happen.
And according to these two professors, they're named for Card and Kruger, the state that raised the minimum wage had an increase in jobs relative to the state that did not, which refuted probably Years of study about the minimum wage.
And so Bill Clinton and the other Democrats began touting this study because it justifies raising the minimum wage.
However, other economists try to replicate the results.
And instead of asking employers, did you raise, did you hire people or not hire people, they asked for payroll cards to confirm it.
And it turned out the state that raised the minimum wage lost jobs relative to the states that did not.
Just the opposite of what the left-wing economists said.
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tim pool
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I spoke with Tom MacDonald and the Daily Wire crew, and I told them I'm going to go do Facts with, what is it?
Okay, I gotta make sure, it's Facts with Ben, right?
Make sure, because we just got the URL.
larry elder
F-A-C-T-S?
tim pool
Yes.
Like, fact.
Don't care about your feelings.
So it's factswithben.com and you click purchase.
You buy Tom McDonald and Ben Shapiro's new song, Facts.
It's got a great message and Ben Shapiro is rapping in it.
Ben Shapiro in the past, what did he say?
He said rap wasn't music or something like that?
He said something like that.
larry elder
He's a classically trained violinist.
tim pool
He is, and his Twitter troll game has been A+, where he was like, thank you to my parents for sending me to classical violin school for 15 years or whatever so I could be the number one rapper in America.
larry elder
Money well spent.
tim pool
He's number one on iTunes.
Tom McDonald and Ben Shapiro are both number one on iTunes, which is in the world, I'm pretty sure.
But let's be real.
iTunes is not the main place where everything's at.
So while it is a good metric, and it does beat out a lot of the industry because they've lost interest in being able... Nobody will buy their music, so they just give up on it.
We can still sell music this way.
When you buy on Amazon or iTunes, it's a dirty game, but it's the only way they actually track for the billboard charts.
If by next Thursday at 11.59pm, We can amass a large amount of sales for Tom McDonald and Ben Shapiro.
I'm hoping.
We weren't able to pull off because they played.
I feel like we got shafted.
We did together again with the Daily Wire.
And they said our sales did not count because they changed the reporting metric.
So naturally this pisses me off.
This feels to me like an opportunity for success and revenge.
Because it's not our song.
They're not paying us to promote it anyway.
Anything you buy will go to likely Tom McDonald.
But I would love, and I know many of you would, to see Ben Shapiro on the Billboard Hot 100 as one of the top rappers in the world.
And it's possible if y'all go out and buy their song and want to spend that $1.29.
And I hope you do, if you can.
If you can't, don't worry about it.
larry elder
I would love to see that.
I also would love to see my book get on the New York Times bestselling list because of being on your show.
So please go to Amazon or Barnes & Noble and order As Goes California.
And let's get that on the New York Times bestseller list.
Shove it in their faces.
tim pool
Let's go.
larry elder
Let's go.
tim pool
If we can, I would love to say, wow, Larry got a number one New York Times.
But you do know it's editorial, right?
Like they play games.
larry elder
I know they play games.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, but let's be real, Billboard does too.
Tom McDonald made a video about it.
It seems like every time he's about to crack some major milestone, they go, ooh, whoopsie, we can't, you know, for this reason, and so it is an uphill battle, but understand everybody, we are trying to storm the gates of the woke institutions, and they're not happy about it.
So they're trying to find every way imaginable to stop us, but I just, I just would love to wake up, not next week Tuesday, but the following Tuesday, when the billboard comes out, and Ben Shapiro is one of the top rappers in the world on the Hot 100, which is the, the list. That'll be amazing. I think they'll be number one
sales. I think they, here's what I think's going to happen based on the size of Tom's audience,
you know, us doing a push for it and Daily Wire. I think it's possible that Ben and Tom could
reach number one on the hip-hop charts.
Hot 100, however, that's tough.
I do think if everybody, you know, who watched our shows and their shows, because this is a massive audience, especially with Tom, I think it's possible they reach like 75 Hot 100.
Wow.
But, because at that point you need like 30 million streams, and which is, you're going to need like 50 to 100k sales.
Tough, tough, tough, tough hit.
Number one.
Hot 100.
They would need, I think, probably like 500,000 sales.
But I would just... Man.
I don't think it's gonna happen, but Ben Shapiro getting a gold record for rapping?
That would just be amazing.
Anyway, we'll read your superchats.
We'll read your superchats.
Alright, here we go!
Chris Lambert says, two days in a row.
Uh, this news on Texas ain't gonna be stopping anytime soon.
Triple Flip says, en masse is pronounced en masse.
Please, guys, please.
Well, okay.
Here we go.
I'm not your buddy, guy.
He's returned.
He says, can you hear that?
Drums in the distance.
Drums of war.
Now it comes down to those with the temperament of a toddler and those who seek the West's destruction versus those who refuse enslavement.
Who shall win?
There was a story we didn't get to, but there's rumors that private militia groups are making their way down to Texas.
That's what I've heard.
And, you know, I can only say this.
I'm not gonna tell anybody what they can or can't do in a free country where you're free to move around, do whatever you want.
My opinion is, anybody not involved in Texas law enforcement, who is not ordered by their superiors to be down there, you stay away from it.
Not for safety's reasons, but also, I'm worried someone's gonna, like, get in the way of Greg Abbott at a very crucial moment.
Not that Greg Abbott is a perfect guy.
His record is not perfect.
But, you know, imagine you've got the top athlete, you know, they're playing tennis.
Don't run out on the court thinking you're gonna help.
You may just jam things up.
And right now the most important thing for all of us is a legitimate legal resolution on the issue of the states having a right to defend its borders.
What Greg Abbott is doing is within the law, what Joe Biden is doing is outside the law.
If random people show up and start getting in the way of Abbott, it muddies it and actually puts Texas in murkier territory.
Let's take the legal high ground on this one because we're winning.
But again, you know.
larry elder
But as I said at the beginning of your show, this is on Joe Biden.
tim pool
Right.
larry elder
Joe Biden has caused all of this and hopefully there'll be no violence.
Hopefully there'll be no civil unrest, but it's on Joe Biden.
He caused this and did it on purpose.
phil labonte
There was a statement released by Biden today or tonight while we're during the show about something that they have planned for the border, but I didn't read the whole thing.
tim pool
So.
The Real F'n Deal says, what event do you think future historians will recall as the first step of the American Civil War?
Of the Second American Civil War.
Well, it's interesting.
It's very interesting because when you look at the history of the United States leading up to the Civil War, it could be reduced at infinitum.
In the 1820s, there was discussion of civil war for the issue of slavery, and nothing happened for 40 years.
Some people might argue that the definitive moment was the election of Abraham Lincoln because several states seceded from the Union before he was even inaugurated.
And so that secession led to fighting.
Typically we think the war itself started with Fort Sumter, but Bleeding Kansas had been happening for seven years prior, where you literally had abolitionists and pro-slavery forces going to these states and fighting because, like literally killing each other, because they wanted new slave territories or, you know, free states.
I think it's fair to say that the Civil War in Kansas was Civil War.
It's just not actual Civil War in New York or Maryland or Pennsylvania or whatever.
Not that anything went to New York, for instance.
But the idea that armed ideological factions from the North and the South were going to new territories and fighting over it.
Is that not a component of the Civil War?
It's only that when it drew in all the other states, we're like, this is when the Civil War started.
So that being said, if history, if we're basing it off of what history currently goes by, you would need an eagle pass.
It would need to be an eagle pass.
The moment when the federal government came there and said, it's our jurisdiction, back off.
The state said, you are in violation of codified law.
No.
And then, Fort Sumter was not a legitimate battle.
Nobody was trying to kill each other.
Only one guy died and I think it was by an accident.
Eagle Pass could be a moment where Border Patrol agents order National Guard to drop their weapons, the Border Patrol says, back up, no, you drop your weapons, and then we hear shots fired, nobody's injured.
What would happen if National Guard or CBP engage in a conflict where shots are fired, nobody knows who shot first, nobody gets injured, nobody dies?
We'd say, wow, crisis averted.
A hundred years later, they'd say, the first battle of the Second Civil War, Eagle Pass, just like Fort Sumter.
So, I believe you would need an Eagle Pass type moment.
And what we would look at is, all of the fighting we've seen in Portland and Washington in the Summer of Love riots are effectively the Bleeding Kansas.
The Stop Cop City riots, January 6th, people would refer to that as our civil strife period, much like Bleeding Kansas was.
And Eagle Pass, I hope not.
But something like Eagle Pass would be that shot heard around the world.
larry elder
The Constitution gives the government limited duties and powers and obligations.
One of them specifically is the borders.
Specifically is immigration.
Question is, when the federal government is not doing its job on that issue, is it okay for the states affected to do it for them?
And I think the answer is yes.
But when they're not doing their job, and they're not, and Congress is not stopping this, and they're not, it seems to me that the states have an obligation to defend their border.
And I like what the governor of Texas is doing.
tim pool
S. N. Spartan makes a very good point.
He says, we are in Schrodinger's Civil War.
Depending on what happens, we're either in the Civil War or not.
And he's completely right.
If what happens in Eagle Pass dissolves with no... There was talk, I was gonna say, there was talk of a Senate deal on the border, which is basically Texas giving up.
Like, they're talking about thousands of people per day to be allowed in if this is the deal.
So, let's say everybody just chills out, pulls their people back, the border is secure, whatever, no conflict, no crisis happens.
Nobody's gonna say a civil war started.
However, When we are finally at the point, hopefully not, but if we ever get to the point, where there are National Guardsmen shooting at Federal Law Enforcement, history will look back and say the Civil War started a long time ago.
Like Fort Sumter.
This is the point that I was making.
Even though we historically look back and say the Civil War started at Fort Sumter, the people still were at the first Battle of Bull Run thinking there was no Civil War.
They were already in it, they just didn't know.
And so, Fair point.
If tomorrow Joe Biden says, I hereby resign.
I'm done.
I leave.
I give up everything.
Kamala Harris fumbles and bumbles and then everything just stops.
States start cleaning things up.
The federal government stops doing everything.
The DOJ stops going after Trump.
Trump gets elected, comes in, cleans things up.
No civil war ever happened.
Nothing.
That's an ideal scenario, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah, it's like, what if no one died at Fort Sumter?
You know, what would have happened?
tim pool
Well, nobody was killed in the battle.
unidentified
Well, it was an accident, right?
tim pool
Yeah, but that's like, we don't consider that, like, they weren't trying to kill each other, they were just like, hey, you know?
And it wasn't until the Battle of Bull Run, they were like, time to go.
Joseph Kush says, Putin just signed a decree in recognition of the Republic of Texas.
Can someone fact check that?
That sounds like it's not true.
larry elder
That sounds like it's not true.
tim pool
Right, but I definitely wanted to read that one and say, like, someone Google that.
phil labonte
It actually sounds like something Putin would do to troll America.
tim pool
Cain Abel says, while we are in Civil War II, started by Dems, China will invade Taiwan, starting an official World War III.
I think we are doomed to repeat everything again.
I support Texas.
I think there's a strong likelihood that our adversaries, particularly the BRICS nations, are fomenting civil war in this country, so that when they make their moves, it prevents World War III.
When China moves onto Taiwan, there will not be a World War III, because the United States will be too busy fighting itself.
And so they get their regional conflict, Venezuela gets their regional conflict, Iran gets their regional conflict, and all the regional conflicts are the world at war.
But without U.S.
intervention, it's not going to be as pronounced, it's not going to be as widespread, and the U.S.
will eventually fall apart.
larry elder
Well, most people in Taiwan don't believe that the U.S.
is going to come to their support in the event that Taiwan is invaded anyway, because of the way Gavin Newsom pulled out of Afghanistan.
And the thing about that, Tim, is not only did he pull out, not only did he leave $7 billion worth of military equipment, not only were 13 personnel service members killed, and we left behind hundreds of Americans and Afghan collaborators, He publicly said, Joe Biden did, that nobody advised him that the Taliban would come back and the Afghan government would collapse.
Two generals testified under oath.
That's exactly the advice that he was given.
So if you're a friend or a foe of America, either our military is so incompetent they did not see this coming, or they gave Joe Biden competent advice and the commander-in-chief was so incompetent he didn't follow it.
Either way, not good.
tim pool
I want to read this as somebody that just came in.
phil labonte
I don't see anything under news about Putin.
tim pool
Probably not true.
No, it's not true.
unidentified
R.A.
tim pool
Gidnick says, Former Fed GS-15 here.
I quit at 39 years old.
It is corrupt and I couldn't affect it.
No matter what I did, how high I got, nothing changed.
Money wasted and citizens abused.
CBP should quit.
Nazi camp guards just followed orders too.
Bravo, sir.
Bravo, sir.
For, you know, for standing up and doing the right thing.
Man.
Yeah, I think regardless of what CBP are saying, there's not going to be a circumstance where someone comes up to me in the street and says, oh I'm with the CBP, I'm a big fan.
I'm going to be like, you need to go make a statement.
You can't work for an organization doing this.
I'll make the point.
larry elder
Have people quit?
tim pool
Yes.
larry elder
Have they?
tim pool
Oh yeah, a lot of them have.
larry elder
What percentage?
Do you have any idea?
tim pool
I don't know about any hard numbers.
We just heard anecdotes of people being like, I'm not doing this, and they're quitting.
But some people are just staying.
And I know it's difficult.
I don't care.
Look.
People say, oh, Tim says quit your job, blah, blah, blah.
Dude, I'm saying if they're doing things that, like, are destroying this country.
I am not saying sacrifice your job if you're scared to say you support Trump.
I'm saying you should say you support Trump because if everybody did, then there would be no concern, no fear, and they couldn't do anything about it.
You don't need to lose your job over this.
I'm just saying stand up for yourself, speak up for what you believe in.
It's a nuanced position.
But if you're a human smuggler... Dude, I just... Well, I'm not a human smuggler.
I just work for the... I work up here.
I'm like, guy, your organization is smuggling humans.
If you're a CBP agent in West Virginia, understand that the resources you provide and the infrastructure around you facilitates that even in the slightest degree.
There was, uh, in Ohio, It was, I believe, ICE brought a bunch of illegal immigrants to a police station and said, we need these guys held temporarily so that we can then, in the morning, get transport to deport them.
And the sheriff was like, you got it, boss.
The next day, ICE was gone.
And they were just like, what is this?
We have a bunch of illegal immigrants sitting here.
So they released them right onto the street of where they live.
I'm sorry, man.
larry elder
It's happening in California.
I talk about it in my book because it's a sanctuary state.
unidentified
Yep.
larry elder
And they will not allow ICE to take these people, many of whom have come to the country several times illegally, and have them deported.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, right now, let's be reasonable as we can.
If you're a CBP agent, you should be in protest to your superiors, like, what's going on?
I don't want to be party to this.
More importantly, if you're at the border, you should say, hey man, I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to facilitate the smugglers.
The cartels are bringing people up for thousands of dollars, and then the only way that's possible is because the cartel knows they can do a handoff with Customs and Border Protection.
If there was no CBP there to accept them, and the policy was rejection, the coyotes and the cartels would have no business at all.
Because they'd be like, yeah, pay us, we'll get you up to the border, where there's a fence, the National Guard, and you can't get in.
They'd be like, I'm not paying you.
The cartel is making, I think it was like a billion dollars off of the human smuggling.
hannah claire brimelow
It works both ways.
The cartels wouldn't offer it and also people wouldn't seek it out because they know the border is closed.
One of the stats that always comes up is how many people on the FBI's most wanted, like the terrorist watch list, have come to the border.
And people will point out that far fewer came under Trump than those who've arrived under Biden.
And it's because under Biden, they know they're much more likely to get in.
That seems like an obvious show that no one takes our border security seriously.
If people who are on identified terrorists are like, I'll just risk it.
I'll see if I can get through because they probably can.
That is really bad.
larry elder
But when you're releasing people into the interior and giving them a court date, it's a joke.
And they're not going to show up.
It's a joke.
phil labonte
Yeah.
larry elder
And asylum, 90% of them are here for jobs.
By definition, that does not make you eligible for asylum.
phil labonte
No, they just go to states where they can get driver's license and stuff like that and then just live essentially a normal life.
tim pool
BS Production says, what happened to yesterday's episode 947?
It is up in its full 2 hours and 20 minutes on Rumble.
So go to Rumble, Timcast IRL, subscribe to our Rumble channel, and it is there.
To keep it simple, There are rules that are universal that apply to Rumble, YouTube, and X, where if certain things that I can't repeat are said, then I've been told explicitly by, you know, people working at these companies, the show gets taken down, there's nothing you can do about it.
And so these have to do with legal liability, criminal liability, and things like that.
So, uh, in terms of last night's episode, it just got to that point.
And then what we did was we put it to the members only.
Why do we do that?
It's fast, easy, it's already set up, and then once it's done, immediately the show is in full, available on all podcast platforms and Rumble, and the offending, you know, issue is snipped out of the show.
So, that's it.
For the future, we're gonna do what every other television station does when these things happen, and that's a dump a button.
Fox News has it.
CNN has it.
Historically, all have it.
It's not really been an element of the podcasting world, but I will tell you, one of the big reasons why a lot of your favorite podcasts stopped going live, started switching to either premieres or pre-recorded, was because of this issue that you can't control.
Some people are hanging out, they're talking for a few hours, someone says something off the cuff, they don't realize what they actually said, and there's nothing we can do about it, but with the dump button, click, seven seconds deleted, and none's the wiser, right?
It's a shame that's the world we live in, but unless you're hanging out in someone's house, There's no platform that can support certain things being said.
So, I want to stress this.
Everybody was like, you should stream on Rumble.
I've already talked to Rumble about it.
Rumble said, yeah, we have no choice but to take you down if the same thing was said.
And I'm like, I know, right?
So, we did put the episode on Rumble.
You can watch it there.
It is available.
And iTunes, Spotify, etc.
Let's, uh, let's grab some more Super Chats.
Guardsman Norheim says, Richard Wolfe talks and his facial expressions mimic- mimicking every Disney villain.
It's very off-putting.
Why would anyone trust someone who acts like that?
It's just- it's really funny because he did this interview, uh, with Abby Martin and that- so this is a viral clip.
The audio is not normalized well, but he reiterates his point in an interview with Abby Martin, and they're both just smirking.
And I'm like, I mean, come on, like, Abby and him are smart people.
There's no way you research the issue of economics and ignore the fact that most businesses are small.
Even larger businesses, CEOs do a lot of work.
It is this weird world where you have all of these leftists who genuinely believe CEOs don't do anything.
I mean, to be fair, Jack Dorsey probably didn't do anything when he was CEO of Twitter, but the question then is like, what's his compensation and what value is providing to a system?
These people do not understand how difficult it is to pay.
Right, so the legality of, let me put it this way.
I remember the first time I was like, wow, I'm making a lot of money.
I'd like to give my mom stuff.
And my count's like, oh, that's illegal.
I was like, what?
I was like, I can't like, you know, give my mom, no, there's a federal limit on how much money we can give someone per year.
And then you've got to pay extra money or income tax and stuff like, oh, okay, okay, well, hold on, we won't do that then.
larry elder
It's called a gift tax.
tim pool
Gift tax, and there's limits.
And, okay, but you could theoretically just give someone any amount of money, but then it's all taxed.
And I'm like, okay, well, so that is possible.
You can't just pay people.
You can't give anybody you want a job.
If I hire someone, I have to create a legitimate, written out explanation of what their job is and why they're getting paid.
It has to be on record for our accounting.
Why?
Because rich people in the past have hired their son and paid them a lot of money.
And then the IRS is like, you're just trying to gift your kid money.
You can't do that, so now we have to actually have on record, in the event of an audit, here's the person, here's their job, here's their expectation, here are their hours, here's what they do.
It's wild.
And so these people, these leftists, think CEOs literally do nothing.
Don't get me wrong, slumlords exist, and there are corrupt people, but the idea that because there's a corrupt individual and a criminal, that means all of capitalism is bad, is just, you're being manipulated by crackpots like this Richard Wolff guy.
larry elder
You can give away your money, but the recipient has to pay a gift tax.
tim pool
Right, and it actually gets pretty exorbitant, and then it becomes prohibitive.
larry elder
So my point there is... But it's your money, you can give it away.
tim pool
But let's clarify that.
You cannot write a check to someone and say, here's money for you.
The government goes, wait!
If you want to do that, I get a substantial portion of it.
So the literal sense is, I cannot give a family member money.
I have to ask the government for permission, ask the government how much of the money they get before the transaction is completed.
You can technically give a family member money, so long as you pay the government 30%.
larry elder
Well, the reason, however, that most people have this attitude about people who run businesses and own them is that they've never run a hot dog stand.
They've never met a payroll.
unidentified
They have no idea how difficult it is.
tim pool
We made Kool-Aid when I was like 7 years old.
My dad said, I'm going to give you $30.
So you can go get the materials you need to make Kool-Aid and go sell it at the baseball game, but you've got to pay me back my investment.
And so, me and my brother, we made this big, we had this picture, it was a pump.
We went around with little Dixie Cups, and we sold them for like, a little bit of money.
larry elder
Right.
tim pool
And we came back, we paid my dad back, and we had money for candy!
And that was, you know, my dad teaching me that stuff.
larry elder
Somebody once said that a CEO of a corporation is like a duck on a pond, calm on the surface but paddling like hell underneath.
Now I think it was Claudine Gay who said that.
tim pool
Oh, was it?
larry elder
No.
tim pool
My point is, let's be as literal as possible.
It is not legal for you to give a person money.
It is legal to give a person and the government money.
That's the reality of it.
phil labonte
Unreal.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
unidentified
You have to- It's crazy they made the system they benefit from.
tim pool
But the government is not without grace.
You are allowed, I think right now, I think the limit is $15,000.
So, no, you can't buy a house for a family member.
That's not a real thing.
You can buy a house for a family member and give the government a third of the cost of the house.
phil labonte
It's so gross.
tim pool
Right, so like, let's put it this way.
Let's say you wanted to buy a house for your mom and it costs $250,000.
You do that.
That your mom would have to pay the government 30 or whatever percent of the value of the house in taxes.
So how could the family member actually accept a gift of that magnitude?
They cannot.
So while it is technically possible for you to hand them a check, so you would have to calculate the cost of taxes and how it was to get to 250, write a check for that amount, family member then pays the government their share of the gift you were giving a family member, and then your family member could buy a house.
There you go.
Welcome to why so many people think taxation is theft.
larry elder
That's one of the reasons why that player Otani got so much money because of the state income tax in California.
unidentified
13.3%.
larry elder
Oh, that's right.
Highest state income tax in the country.
1% of it is a millionaire's tax for mental illness.
So 13.3% highest state income tax in the country.
tim pool
And New York City has the highest taxation in the country, but only because New York City itself has an income tax.
So you've got state, city, and federal if you live in New York City.
So what happens is a bunch of ultra-rich New Yorkers try to spend half the year in Florida, New York started going after them.
Now, here's a secret, if you're super wealthy, you spend half the year in Puerto Rico.
Then you pay no income tax, no federal income tax.
And that's intentional.
larry elder
And it better be half a year, because they check that.
tim pool
Yes, they do.
larry elder
One day the wrong way, you're in trouble.
tim pool
And it's intentional, though.
They want you down there spending money to help build up the infrastructure and the economy of Puerto Rico.
So they're saying, hey, look, we're going to tell you this.
You're a millionaire.
You're going to spend a million bucks a year in taxes.
Keep it.
But you've got to live in Puerto Rico six months and one day, because then you're going to be spending that money in Puerto Rico, and that's why we're letting you keep it.
So, taxation, they use as a way to manipulate and social engineer.
That's why they put a tax on cigarettes, they put a tax on gas, they put a tax on soda pop.
They want to manipulate your behavior, and I think that is unconstitutional.
larry elder
And they want to raise money for that crazy bureaucracy that they have.
All these government workers who are being overpaid, paying more than they would get at a private sector in a similar job, they gotta pay for.
tim pool
All right.
Trish Berry says, it's my son Wes's birthday.
He got me watching the show.
Born in 97.
Gen Z son with boomer mom.
Members and cast brew drinkers.
Hi Larry fans since KABC days.
larry elder
Wow.
tim pool
Shout out.
larry elder
790 KABC.
hannah claire brimelow
Happy birthday, man.
That's cool.
tim pool
Yeah, right on.
Thanks for watching.
Happy birthday.
unidentified
Good job converting your mom to IRL.
tim pool
It's the young people, man.
Leaders.
Future leaders.
All right.
YouTube has always given me the business these past few days.
It's like, the browser's half frozen.
It's weird.
unidentified
Don't know what the problem is.
tim pool
All right.
Kurt Crowley says, To Kill a Mockingbird has polluted some of the thought process.
The time setting was in the 1930s.
However, people read it, digest it, still think we are in that time frame.
larry elder
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
larry elder
Great movie, too.
Awesome movie.
Gregory Peck.
tim pool
Don Brown says, I voted for Larry.
They changed it.
News scum is filth.
larry elder
A lot of people said that.
tim pool
That their votes were changed?
That's crazy.
larry elder
A lot of people told me.
tim pool
But we've heard a lot about that over the past few years of people posting being like, hey, I checked my thing and it was the wrong one, and it's just so dirty, man.
Creepy stuff!
Alright.
Ian says, I want to bring up to Mr. Elder that the Nuremberg trials clearly stated that following orders was not a valid excuse for committing crimes.
I think you agreed with me early on.
You said that was a good point.
larry elder
Well, yeah, and it's not like the Border Patrol, however, is killing Jews.
tim pool
Yeah, they're just facilitating one of the largest human smuggling operations.
And I'm not to downplay Holocaust.
My point was, I do believe what CBP is facilitating is probably the lowest tier of human rights violations and atrocities.
The highest, of course, being genocide and Holocaust.
But what's the, like, you've opened the door to atrocities.
It's facilitating what the cartels are doing.
There are young girls being raped every single day in large numbers.
It's disgusting.
I was talking to a couple guys from Texas this morning, talking about how there's used condoms and just filth everywhere.
It's disgusting.
These cartels are only able to do this because CBP is standing there waiting with smiles on their faces and open arms saying, we got it from here, buddies.
So all of these crimes against humanity that are occurring would stop if CBP simply said, we will not facilitate this.
Instead, what they're saying Well, they allow it to happen.
There was an interview where a CBP guy says they keep allowing them in.
And the guy doing the interview says it's kind of strange because to the average observer, it's CBP that is allowing them in and putting them in cars and driving them to their destinations.
If CBP said, you will not, you shall not pass, the coyotes would be like, we're dead in the water.
We can't run this business anymore.
So, so long as you have thousands of people dying in the deserts, drowning in the rivers, and young women being raped repeatedly, and some of these are being sex trafficked.
larry elder
And the fentanyl.
tim pool
And the fentanyl, and the deaths.
I'm sorry, but CBP is engaged in, like, an atrocity.
The lowest tier, I don't like, come on.
Anyway, tough talk.
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larry elder
Yeah, I want you one more time to mention that my book, Tim told me to hold it up higher, it's called As Goes California, My Mission to Rescue the Golden State.
We've been talking a little bit about it throughout the podcast.
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tim pool
I see Andis Owens.
larry elder
Candace Owens did the forward.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Forward by Candace Owens.
larry elder
Your hand was over, it said Andis.
tim pool
Oh, I knew it, sir.
I wanted you to shout her out.
larry elder
Candace Owens wrote the forward.
tim pool
Right on.
larry elder
Thanks.
tim pool
Thanks for coming.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's been awesome having you here.
It's good to see you again.
larry elder
It's been my pleasure, Hannah.
Thank you.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
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I'm a writer for scnr.com.
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Phil, it's good to see you.
phil labonte
Cheers.
Larry, thank you very much for everything.
My pleasure.
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unidentified
It was good to see you again, Larry.
You too.
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