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tim pool
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Oh man, this story's fucking nuts!
Look at this.
FBI arrests Oregon trans Nazi who threatened blacks and Jews.
Can we just- I mean, look.
unidentified
There might be a mental illness.
tim pool
The Iowa shooter was trans.
Okay, NBC just talked about this shooter was non-binary.
I think there's a correlation between, like, being crazy and being trans.
I am not saying that every single trans person is this kind of crazy.
But I do think that mental disorder, DSM-5, I think that there's a strong likelihood that you have violent, racist tendencies because your brain is fractured.
I'm not saying everyone who's racist has a fractured brain.
I think most of them are wrong.
And I say most because some people, like, I'll just put it this way.
I'm not an absolutist.
The left will accuse everybody of racism, so we'll just leave the door open to a certain degree.
But I believe racism is wrong.
I don't think you're crazy if you're racist.
I think you're wrong.
But some people who are absolutely insane hold violent, psychotic views.
And with psychosis comes this.
Do whatever this is.
phil labonte
Comedy?
ian crossland
Racism is like there are different races are different people like genetically because of the way our ancestors lived we have different genetics but that doesn't make you a racist to acknowledge that.
tim pool
That's why I'm saying like the left will accuse everyone of being a racist so I'm not gonna say absolutely everyone who's racist is wrong on every single thing but Yeah, IQ is inheritable, largely.
Not absolutely.
And just because someone is of a race doesn't mean they're going to be stupid.
I think that's the point.
And the media will call you a racist and white supremacist for pointing out that you think Koreans are smarter than your average European.
On average.
Which is the stupidest shit in the fucking world.
And I'm allowed to say that because I'm Korean.
And uh... I don't know if I'll get in trouble for calling myself a mixed-race supremacist.
Oh, I did.
I did.
I called myself a mixed-race supremacist as a joke.
And I got attacked by the left for it.
And I was like, I don't understand.
Like, there's nothing you can say no matter what you say.
ian crossland
Yeah, racial purity, what are you doing?
phil labonte
You're Tim Pool, they're just gonna attack you.
tim pool
I made a whole video talking about hybrid vigor and jokingly referring to myself as a mixed race supremacist.
Well, the science shows that the further apart humans are in terms of their genetic lineage, the higher likelihood of, it's called hybrid vigor.
phil labonte
Oh, okay, right.
tim pool
Yeah, like, if you selectively breed dogs, they eventually become, like, what was the royal family that were retarded?
ian crossland
The Habsburgs.
tim pool
Yeah, the Habsburgs.
Right, everything does that.
ian crossland
But I was making a joke.
tim pool
I was like, oh yeah, so because I'm, you know, part Asian and white, that means I'm gonna be even smarter.
And they actually claimed it was a white supremacist thing to say.
And I was like, these people are fucking retarded.
We brought that word back.
ian crossland
For the record, I'm vibrating the room at 174 hertz right now.
tim pool
Is that why I feel like shit right now?
ian crossland
No, I had it off the whole show.
That's probably why you felt like shit.
tim pool
No, right now.
ian crossland
Did you just feel it?
tim pool
Yeah.
It felt like someone just punched me in the face.
ian crossland
Whoa.
Yeah.
Maybe it was.
You asshole.
That shit's wild.
This is one of the solfeggio frequencies.
It's going to go up.
It'll be at 230.
Like more punch.
Yeah, there's nine of them.
serge du preez
It felt like sulfage, like doramine, phospholipido.
tim pool
It felt like I inhaled... Eight octaves.
You ever inhale wasabi?
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Weird.
It probably killed stuff.
It was probably killing some sort of weird organism that lives in you.
unidentified
Okay, bro.
I might buy one.
ian crossland
Yeah, these things are great.
I got some real, what is it, rife machine.
This thing's $420 for the little guy.
The big one was like $5,500.
I want to know why.
unidentified
Just in the right room.
tim pool
This reminds me of It's Always Sunny.
Remember when they started taking supplements?
Yeah, I remember that.
unidentified
And then he's like, I've been shitting a lot.
tim pool
And he's like, well that's your body flushing out the toxins.
Me on the other hand, I haven't shit for a week.
Because my body's running at peak efficiency.
Like no matter what happens, there's a reason for why it's good.
So you're like, it's probably killing things.
Yeah, it's probably killing me.
ian crossland
No, I doubt it.
It's making you healthier.
phil labonte
I don't think so.
ian crossland
I don't know what it's doing.
tim pool
Our cold lunch came today.
ian crossland
Oh, good.
Is it set up yet?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Dude, that thing's gonna be awesome.
tim pool
You gotta do it in the morning.
Apparently, yeah.
phil labonte
You should have mandatory Monday cold plunges.
Everyone has to be here at 8 a.m.
tim pool
on Monday.
We bought a cold plunge, but it's like, there's snow everywhere, it's the middle of winter, it's 16 degrees outside.
Just fill up the horse trough with water.
ian crossland
It's actually a warm plunge.
Rogan, did you see his Instagram videos?
Did you ever watch him go in his cold plunge at his house?
And he was like, it's fucking 22 degrees in Austin.
The water's 36, so.
It's gonna be warmer in his head.
He's like, my head is so fucking cold right now.
tim pool
Yeah, I do want to give a shout out to the FBI, though.
For arresting- What?
ian crossland
Definitely.
phil labonte
For doing their job.
tim pool
The FBI arrested a trans Nazi who was threatening to kill blacks and Jews.
Holy shit, it's about time they fucking did their job.
serge du preez
It's funny how they did that for that particular audience.
They're like, oh, this one can't happen.
They had to make sure they stepped in.
Seems like they didn't do it for schools, didn't do it for anything else, on the watch list and everything, but... But it's because it's a Nazi.
Right.
tim pool
They were like, uh-oh, this trans person's gonna make other trans people look like Nazis, better arrest them.
ian crossland
What was the threat that they made, and was it real, or are they just using trans Nazi to mask that they arrested someone for being like, I hope that guy gets hurt one day.
tim pool
Trans women support group.
Uh, what is this?
Supposed to call an office, wondering what lies are gonna spew to justify firing me, blah blah blah.
Oh, they're going out in a blaze of glory, preparing this.
There's a picture of guns.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's someone.
That's a person of interest.
unidentified
They might have not been serious, that's why the FBI got involved.
phil labonte
If they were serious, the FBI would have let them do it.
tim pool
Is crazy the right word in general for trans people?
It's a very vague term.
Would you say all trans people are crazy?
serge du preez
I just don't understand.
Sometimes they're like, I have a mental illness and you should respect me for it.
Mental disorder.
Disorder, right.
tim pool
I felt like disorder is more offensive.
On YouTube, you get banned for saying they're mentally ill for being trans, but if you say they have a mental disorder, it's fine.
And I'm like, that sounds more offensive to me.
Illness implies you got sick, you can get over it.
It can be fixed.
Disorder sounds like your brain is... Yeah, it's out of order.
Like, imagine a bridge with damage to it.
That's illness.
You get sick, we fix it, the bridge is good again.
A bridge that was built in disorder can't be fixed, it has to be torn down and rebuilt.
phil labonte
Built incorrectly, yeah.
tim pool
Right, so it's like, when YouTube's like, you can't say they're mentally ill, that's mean.
I'm like, okay, but that's kind of nicer.
Saying they're mentally disordered is like a permanent fuck-up in their brain that can never be solved.
phil labonte
I think that it is.
It's definitely mental illness.
Like, I mean, it's been classified as mental illness.
tim pool
No, no, no.
It's classified as mental disorder.
phil labonte
Disorder?
tim pool
Yes.
DSM-5 mental disorder.
serge du preez
That's why I'm saying like... Illness you can recover from, right?
tim pool
Well, the implication is that if you're ill, typically referring to like, I got sick one day and then you got better.
People who are trans aren't being made better.
They're getting their balls chopped off.
ian crossland
There's a large desistance rate, people that, I don't know, 85% of people that feel trans when they're young and their teens eventually come out and they're like, ah, I was going through a phase.
That's like 85%?
So that's a huge number actually.
I think when you talk about crazy, disorder, sick, ill, whatever these terms are, it's really about How you use it.
I don't know.
Cause the word crazy is so vague.
Like who's crazy.
People told me I was crazy.
Like for the last 20 years.
Cause I would talk about consciousness.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
But doesn't it, you say it's how you use it, but really it's how.
Someone else wants to say you've used it because the reason that we're even having this conversation about whether or not it is offensive or not is because of the possible repercussions for saying it.
So it's not about how you're using it.
It's about if someone else hears you use it and sees a benefit or an incentive for them to attack you.
ian crossland
I think it's because- I got a solution.
tim pool
I know how to win the culture war instantly.
I should say, relatively quickly, to restore traditional values, make men men again.
Make women women again.
Get rid of all the woke garbage.
Real easy.
You know what the solution is?
ian crossland
What?
tim pool
World War III.
ian crossland
I don't think that's gonna work.
tim pool
After the majority of food has been wiped out, international shipping lanes have been destroyed, and cities are reduced to rubble, only those strong enough to survive will, and all the people who are wanting to do weird-ass goofy bullshit in basements and chop their balls off will not survive, won't reproduce, and won't eat.
The people who don't like working and think they're entitled to everything will starve to death and eat each other, and then give it a good hundred years, and, uh, well, there you go.
Hard times make strong men.
unidentified
Right.
serge du preez
You needed the, uh, Black Death to get the Renaissance, they always say.
If you didn't have the Black Death, you're not gonna have that revolution in art and travel.
ian crossland
Yo, that's fucking crazy.
I was thinking that the people that are releasing these viruses, assuming that COVID was released from a lab or got out of a lab and now they're working on this virus X, gonna get out.
It's like these people, these psychotic people, yeah, it's like illness X or something.
They're actually like, let's let out viruses, it'll kill the weak, only the strong will survive, and then we'll have a stronger race of humans.
tim pool
Let's create, here's my idea.
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serge du preez
Worst people that got affected by it for instance.
tim pool
What if we were to like build a society somewhere where it was really difficult to get to
unless you were super good or wealthy or like capable?
Maybe we could, like, I don't know about an island.
I don't think an island would work because anyone could do it.
But what if we built it underwater?
We could build structures underwater that you could only get to if you can afford to.
serge du preez
And underwater.
ian crossland
It's a new bio-shock.
tim pool
And we can give it a good biblical name.
Rapture.
phil labonte
Bioshock was a great game.
tim pool
That was a good game, dude.
I can't believe Luke's never played it.
phil labonte
I can't either.
It was really, really fun.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I tried to play it on hard, dude, and I couldn't get through it.
It was too hard.
tim pool
That game's so good.
ian crossland
I lost interest.
It's the plot, really, is what makes it good.
tim pool
You know what sucks?
Is that Bioshock Infinite, they were like, you no longer are injecting yourself, you're drinking a soda.
unidentified
Oh god.
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Addictive programming.
It's gross.
tim pool
Dude, how awesome was it in Bioshock, you get the needle and go into your arm and then fire comes out?
unidentified
Super cool.
tim pool
For those that don't know Bioshock, it's basically someone read Atlas Shrugged and then was like, how can I make a video game like this?
And so the main villain, like the final boss, is literally Atlas.
But I guess Galt's Gulch is what we want to make, right?
Where we build a holographic emitter to hide us in the woods and all the wealthy, successful, smart people can go live free from the retarded invalids.
I called a guy an invalid on Twitter and Twitter yelled at me.
phil labonte
An invalid, huh?
tim pool
So, Vivek Ramaswamy drops out, endorses Trump.
Ashley St.
Clair quote tweet saying like, this is amazing, Vivek Ramaswamy has announced that he is dropping out, and then immediately endorses Donald Trump and will be joining him on the campaign trail.
And so I quote tweeted that saying like, fuck yeah, let's go.
And so this guy says, you were just sucking his dick like five minutes ago, because he didn't read the tweet.
He thought I was, the first tweet was Vivek Ramaswamy drops out.
If you don't actually read the tweet, you don't know the context.
So he thought I was cheering him dropping out.
And then I said something like, you fucking, I was like, LOL, you fucking invalid.
Can you even read WTF?
And then Twitter, this thing popped up and it was like, people don't like it when you say these things.
I was like, fuck you.
phil labonte
That's why I said it.
unidentified
That's why I said it, you fucking invalid.
ian crossland
It's the word invalid.
I love that.
tim pool
I know!
And it literally means the person is invalid.
serge du preez
So great.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, I can say whatever.
Fuck you, you know?
Elon Musk has given us... People need to understand this, man.
What Elon Musk did actually was massively impactful.
phil labonte
It's huge.
tim pool
Yeah, like saying retard again.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, that's like, you know, just like the icing on the cake.
But like the fact that there are so many people that get wrapped up with like, oh, I can't say this particular word.
There's a lot of people that get wrapped up when it comes to censorship about I said this and I got censored for saying this word and blah, blah, blah.
And whereas I understand that people get frustrated and that if you're going to be a pure free speech platform, you can't censor words.
But the actual important thing about the freedom of speech is to not censor ideas.
So you can articulate ideas in a vulgar way, or you can articulate the same idea in a non-confrontational, non-antagonistic way.
And if you're going to articulate ideas that are not antagonistic, And you get banned for that that's a problem and that's what old Twitter was doing with under you know new Twitter with with Musk or under X you know it's like you can talk about anything and you don't get the ban just for talking about it just so long as you're not you know insulting people or you're not
Trying to be overly vulgar or you know attack me.
ian crossland
I want to believe that and I do and in some ways but the n-word I'm not even gonna say the word right now on the after show where nothing's gonna get banned because if it gets clipped and I that's Until we as a species can override that fear of that sound that that word makes I feel like we're doomed It's a species.
We need to overcome this bullshit.
tim pool
We've had people use the n-word on IRL and we've not been banned for it No, it's been used in a variety of contests even contexts even spoken by a white man And there's been no negative impact.
ian crossland
Yeah, because as long as you're not, it's like you're saying the way you're using the words, as long as you're not insulting someone with the term, it's, it's valid to, to talk about the term.
phil labonte
That's, that's, that's not really, that's like missing the point of my, my comment.
Cause the, it, it is still a vulgarity, like the N word, you know, if you're, it is considered a vulgarity by most people, unless you're a black person rapping, you know?
Um, so, Nuclear?
tim pool
That was Trump, right?
phil labonte
You're not supposed to say that!
unidentified
We don't say the n-word!
phil labonte
Nuclear.
tim pool
And everyone laughed.
phil labonte
Nuclear.
Nuclear.
But the thing is, like, now it's like that being a vulgar word, yeah, that might cause problems.
But it doesn't cause problems for everybody.
You're only going to get pushback.
You're not going to get pushback from the platform.
You're going to get pushback from other people that said, oh, you know, you're too white to be saying that.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm going to make this clear for the Discord right now, too, because people were arguing about this.
Saying things that they have, like it's free speech, they have a right to use vulgarities and slurs.
And I'm like, dude, we don't own Discord.
So the reason we don't allow it is because I'm not gonna let someone, one person, wipe out what thousands of people are trying to build because we're operating on Discord right now.
And I know people have mentioned alternatives that we can use, and we're working on that.
But it's like, dude, the Discord server is a place to build culture, expand ideas, and address issues, not to just be vulgar because you want to be.
And we have limitations.
We're doing the best we can.
But I don't see a reason to cede this ground and lose the Discord server because people just feel like they should have a free speech right to say it.
phil labonte
Because it's, especially when it's about vulgarity, you're not, it's not about an idea or a controversial idea or anything.
And I, I feel like people get so wrapped up in the, I want to be able to be vulgar whenever I want, that they miss the actual important, valuable thing about the protection of the freedom of speech, which is the ability to exchange controversial ideas.
tim pool
So the first Discord server I launched, I was like, it's a moderately free speech place, say whatever you want so long as it's within the context of the news we're discussing.
And all that happened was a bunch of people came in and started screaming Jews non-stop.
So I just deleted the whole thing.
unidentified
And I was like, people got really mad, like, why did you get rid of the Discord server?
tim pool
And I was like, Because the point was to be like, hey, here's the big news.
So we as a community could address these issues.
And people were just like, I want to talk about Jews all day.
And I was like, who the fuck are these people coming in and talking about this?
And what happened was it was like four people.
ian crossland
I'll be honest.
I'd like to talk about Jews a lot.
tim pool
Right.
And so what happens is it's an obsession where there would be like four people out of a thousand that no matter what would happen, would start posting about Jews and causing problems.
And I'm just like, I can't do this.
phil labonte
The people that are obsessed about Israel and stuff... I don't know if you guys noticed how it works.
tim pool
This is what would happen.
I would be talking about Donald Trump passing a bill and it would be related to like, you know, like school lunches or something.
And then someone would be in this court being like, here's a big story.
Donald Trump just signed the school lunches bill.
It's going to lower costs for everybody.
Woo, Trump, he's great.
And then someone else would be like, Yeah, man, Trump's doing a really good job bringing down the cost of food for everybody.
I think it's going to generate a lot of support for him.
Then someone else would go, yeah, I think lunch is really, really important because a lot of people don't eat enough food and getting kids proper nutrition matters a lot.
Yeah, man, I once went on a trip and I skipped lunch and it was really bad.
I was foggy and yeah, me too.
I remember I went on a trip to Israel once and I didn't have a lot of food.
Yeah, you know the thing about Jews?
My favorite though was when someone, we're talking about news, and then someone was like, oh man, it's really crazy what this bank said.
And then someone else was like, oh man, I don't even want to think about this.
I'm going to order pizza.
And then right away someone went, I once had pizza in Israel.
And the next person went, yeah, but Jews do this.
And I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you people?
ian crossland
It was percolating.
tim pool
They were doing it on purpose, coming in and intentionally trying to get us banned by doing this shit.
ian crossland
What would happen is the word Zionism was getting downranked and arguably banned off certain networks 15, 10 years ago.
And it was called conspiracy theorist, if you use that word.
And then I remember stuff getting downranked.
And then so it was under the surface, people were like, what the fuck?
I want to criticize Zionism.
What the fuck?
So then they started doing it in these weird chats and like forcing it in.
And it's like, this isn't the place.
But now since this October 7th attack, It's become, like, mainstream talking points.
People are talking about Zionism almost every day on the radio and on the news.
I find it refreshing, personally.
tim pool
Someone asked, why would talking about Jews get you banned?
First, it's not about talking about Jews.
It's about the fact the point of the Discord was to talk about news and culture, and all that happened was four people kept spamming Jew over and over and over again, so it didn't work anymore.
And then I'd be like, okay, I'm gonna ban you if you keep doing this.
And they would be like, oh my God, Tim's censoring us.
I'd be like, yes, because all you do is say Jew nonstop, 24 seven.
And we're trying to talk about foreign policy in like China and the cost of food and shit like this.
The other issue as to why you get banned is because these people are posting anti-Semitic shit and that will get you banned.
ian crossland
And free speech doesn't mean you can say as much as you want all the time.
Like if you walk into a room where there's a thousand, a hundred people talking and you start screaming, You're gonna get kicked out.
You're gonna get censored because you're disrupting people's ability to speak freely.
So there's, you know- Dude, I- I- I cannot stand- Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
tim pool
Israel Derangement Syndrome, dude.
Israel matters.
It's in the news.
The Houthis are doing a bunch of shit because of the Israel- Israel-Palestine conflict.
But some people just, like, you're hanging out with them, and they're like, oh, did you, uh, watch the- the UFC fight?
The 296?
It was really crazy.
I'm like, yeah, that was really crazy.
Yeah, you know, that's wild.
What else is going on in the news?
Oh, Israel.
Then the guy starts bashing his face on the wall over and over again.
phil labonte
There's blood everywhere and I'm like... I'm going through right now in my mentions.
ian crossland
What are you going through?
phil labonte
Just people that don't like Israel.
ian crossland
It's, I don't like the conquistadors.
I get kind of turned off by conquest and like taking over.
And this whole, the way the British set up Israel is like, you know, we are in the empire.
And that's like a hard cognitive dissonant.
What about it?
tim pool
What do you mean, what about it?
ian crossland
What about it?
tim pool
Aren't you concerned about how these countries have been set up by foreign powers?
ian crossland
No, I'd love to talk about Sudan.
unidentified
Let's talk about it.
tim pool
This is my problem!
I can't stand the selective Jew-hating, and they say it's not anti-Semitic, and I'm like, I understand that not everybody critical of Israel hates Jews.
I'm saying there's a large sect of people that just hate Jews, and they don't know or care about anything else, and they use arguments of colonialism specifically to talk only about Israel.
I'm like, my guy, please criticize Israel all day and night.
Criticize Israel bombing civilian areas.
Criticize their military tactics.
Please do it, and do it a lot.
But when you ignore every other country that does this, that the U.S.
has supported, that empire has built, and when I ask you about it, you say, I don't know, you are full of shit.
That's just it.
ian crossland
I guess, but not everyone knows, but the Israel thing is a big deal.
It's the British Empire's, like, foothold in the Middle East.
tim pool
I actually don't think so.
I mean, I think it's a big deal, but relative to everything else, not really.
ian crossland
It's the reason of most of global conflict is because Britain's... No.
tim pool
No, it actually isn't.
And the amount of Uighur Muslims being tortured and murdered right now, and let's just talk about India and Pakistan.
Let's talk about Iran and Pakistan.
ian crossland
Those are all on the border of Israel, dude.
All on the border of the American military.
Not literally, but Pakistan, and Iraq, and Iran, and Syria.
That China shit's fucked up, no doubt.
tim pool
And the obsession over Israel, which is this tiny nation of nuclear power.
India's a nuclear power, China's a nuclear power.
And there's several million people.
ian crossland
They're not tiny, though.
tim pool
So this is the thing about foreign policy.
You want to talk about not funding Israel?
Agreed.
Not funding war and conflict in any of these countries.
Anti-intervention 100%.
But people are obsessed with Israel, and it's because there is Israel Derangement Syndrome.
And then what happens is someone says, Israel's really important, why aren't people talking about Israel?
And I'm like, my guy, there are so many things going on in the world that are larger, more funded, more dangerous, more insane than just Israel, and you don't know anything about it.
Makes me wonder about what your motivations are.
ian crossland
Well, I think something you said earlier about Jew-hating, I think the conflation of Israel and Judaism is a big psyop.
Like, it's a defense mechanism that people in the Israeli bureaucracy will use to protect their vicious actions.
But, like, taking a little tiny piece of sliver of land and making them a nuclear power was fully intended by the British.
They did that on purpose.
phil labonte
The British didn't give them nuclear weapons.
ian crossland
They funded the creation of the state, is what I'm saying.
phil labonte
That was long before they had nuclear weapons, though.
unidentified
What's your issue with...
tim pool
I don't know, the Koreas.
ian crossland
What about it?
tim pool
What do you mean?
ian crossland
What aspect of it?
tim pool
That the U.S.
created the South Korean state.
And they have THAAD missiles, and they've got a militarized border with landmines everywhere.
Are we going to talk about Korea now?
ian crossland
What aspect?
I'd be happy to.
tim pool
But why don't you care?
ian crossland
Well, I do care about Korea.
unidentified
What about it?
tim pool
Why don't you talk about it in the same way we talk about Israel?
ian crossland
Because Israel's a nuclear power.
It's like a new British colony that turned into a nuclear power.
phil labonte
It's crazy, like, intense.
There are multiple other countries that are nuclear powers.
Why is it that it's a problem that Israel has nuclear weapons?
unidentified
Because it's a tiny piece of land in South Africa, another British colony.
phil labonte
That's not an actual reason, though.
tim pool
Or Lichtenstein.
phil labonte
You're like, oh, it's too small?
ian crossland
It's purely funded by the liberal economic order.
They just pump money and weapons into that place.
tim pool
This is every country.
IMF funding for all of these South American and African nations?
phil labonte
Ian, why is Israel bad though?
ian crossland
I didn't say it's bad.
phil labonte
But that's the tone that you're coming across, that it's bad that Israel has nuclear weapons.
I don't like that we invaded Iraq.
But yeah, but you're talking about Iraq, not Israel.
ian crossland
It's one and the same.
The Israel lobby and the American military industrial complex are like one big unit.
I talked to Scott Horton about this for like an hour and a half, man.
The guy knows everything about this stuff.
phil labonte
Yeah, but Scott Horton has a perspective, and Scott Horton has a narrative that he's telling, and this isn't a nod to him, but you can't just be like, everything Scott says is perfect and right.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's hyperbolic.
But Scott's very knowledgeable on it, and I was like, what is it, tail wagging the dog?
Is the American military-industrial complex forcing Israel policy, or is the Israeli policy what's moving?
tim pool
Let's talk about Ethiopia.
phil labonte
I don't know much about Ethiopia.
tim pool
This is the problem I have, because I've done this bit right here before.
Do you know the largest, what country do you believe, I'm going to hide this actually, receives the most foreign funding, the most military weapons and power, and has the most amount of death?
phil labonte
I don't know.
Who?
ian crossland
Probably who our enemy will be in 20 years, but who is it?
tim pool
I'm surprised that you don't actually know, considering your concern over Israel.
ian crossland
I don't know.
What's my favorite pizza topic?
phil labonte
Is it Ukraine?
tim pool
It's Ukraine.
Ukraine receives substantially more money, and this is really obvious.
Almost 200 billion.
So far.
And more people have died, and are dying, and there's no reason for us to be involved at all.
And it is a colony of the liberal economic order, more so than Israel.
We have basically conquered this nation.
We ousted President Yanukovych.
The West is trying to subvert Ukraine, and it's like, but Israel.
I don't give a fuck.
Okay, Israel matters.
It's an Internet.
It is part of all of this stuff.
But my point is, there are a bunch of countries.
What's going on in Ethiopia?
Why is the U.S.
funded Ethiopia to nearly the same degree as Israel?
ian crossland
You're asking me on my face.
It's like I'm talking about a book and you're like, well, what about all these other books?
Like, okay, we can talk about any one of these books if you want to.
tim pool
And you are right.
And it's quite literally my point.
That there, for some reason, people are like, Israel!
And I'm like, okay.
ian crossland
It's not for some vague, nonsensical reason.
You know, the British formed that colony.
phil labonte
What about Ukraine?
ian crossland
What about any of these other countries?
There's lots of other countries too we can talk about, but the Israel formation is a big fucking deal on the global stage right now.
tim pool
Why?
After World War I, Arthur Balfour... Saying whataboutism is a deflection of quite literally my point is there is an obsession with Israel that is not explained because there are other identical or worse conflicts and my question is why only this?
It is a specific question on the issue of what Israel does and I am wondering why it is.
The focus is on it and not other countries and they say that's whataboutism.
No, I'm asking for a literal answer on a specific issue.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
What about the region matters more than other regions functioning the exact same way you described?
ian crossland
It's not just about the region, it's also about the bureaucracy.
It's a nuclear-armed state that was formed in like 19... 20... I don't know, by the British setting up the British Mandate for Palestine there.
Then they seized it from the Arabs, and then with the Balfour Declaration created, you know, what would soon, 30 years later, become the Israeli state.
And then they armed it with nuclear weapons, and then they use it like...
It's a big deal.
And then they invade all around it and then... Why?
Because they want the Suez Canal.
phil labonte
No, no, no.
Why is it a big deal?
ian crossland
Because it's a nuclear-powered aggressor state.
phil labonte
Who's it aggressing against?
ian crossland
It's all the land around it over the last 70 years.
phil labonte
Israel's been invaded by its neighbors.
Israel has not invaded anyone else.
ian crossland
It was an invasion.
Israel was an invasion to start.
It was created as an invasive system.
They took it from the Arabs and put a country there.
tim pool
That's actually not what Scott Horton said.
Oh, you're right, you're right.
The Muslims invaded ancient Judea and forced by threat of death.
ian crossland
Yeah, and the ancient Jews invaded Canaan, man.
It used to be before Israel.
tim pool
I'm talking about what Scott Horton said.
This is the obsession I'm talking about.
You don't know anything about the region.
Do you know what the capital of Russia was in like 1000 A.D., like a thousand years ago?
unidentified
Yeah, it was St.
tim pool
Petersburg?
ian crossland
No, no, that's wrong.
Kiev?
tim pool
It was Kiev.
ian crossland
Yeah, Rus.
They were Kiev and Rus in the beginning.
tim pool
I don't understand why you're not so passionate about the Eastern European region and the exact same conflict.
ian crossland
Because I live in the United States and I'm part of the British Empire whether I want to be or not.
tim pool
And we've funded Ukraine substantially more than Israel.
ian crossland
In the last 10 years, Ukraine is a big deal, yeah.
phil labonte
You consider the United States still a part of the British Empire?
ian crossland
The liberal economic order, I kind of consider this the amalgam.
It's like the evolution of the British Empire is now the liberal economic order.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
Afghanistan.
What about Afghanistan?
ian crossland
It's horrific what we did there the last 20 years.
tim pool
What's going on in Afghanistan is worse than what's going on in Israel.
Because that was an active invasion in our lifetime that's been funded with more death and more funding, more money than we've seen through Israel.
ian crossland
It's all connected, man.
tim pool
So my question is literal.
It's not, what about us?
It's, what about Israel is deserving of you knowing the history, going back thousands of years, but not Afghanistan?
phil labonte
Yeah, that's what I keep saying.
You recited some things, but none of them are a reason as to why you don't like, or why you have strong feelings about Israel.
ian crossland
What is your question exactly?
phil labonte
So you're like, I'm saying, why do you have such strong feelings about Israel?
tim pool
The liberal economic order invaded and deposed, removed the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan in our lifetime, spending substantially more money in these countries and killing substantially more people.
I think it would make sense to me if you were like, the history of the Afghanistan region going back a thousand years was that the people who were there were conquered.
Now the U.S.
is, but you don't know anything about it.
But Israel, for some reason you do.
Despite the fact that Israel, the conflict is substantially lighter than Afghanistan and Iraq was in our lifetime, and even right now.
I appreciate though, you are concerned about Joe Biden's withdrawal from the region.
But it would make more sense, your argument, if you knew about the history of Iraq, for instance.
ian crossland
Well, what do you want to know about it?
It used to be the Assyrian Empire, way long ago.
tim pool
My point is, I do not believe the argument that I, when someone says, I care about Israel because the liberal economic order colonized it and weaponized it, blah blah blah, and I'm like, okay, well, Iraq would be worse then, right?
ian crossland
Worse than what?
What do you mean?
tim pool
Iraq is a substantially more serious issue pertaining to the idea of a liberal economic order invading a country, removing its government, setting it up as a colony, killing hundreds of thousands if not millions of people in the process, but you don't know anything about it.
ian crossland
About what?
tim pool
The history of the region, who its leaders are.
What was the plan of the liberal economic order in Iraq?
Why did they do it?
What's going on right now?
Because something is currently going on right now.
How many troops are there?
How many weapons have been delivered?
Who's currently in charge?
ian crossland
Not as much as I thought, apparently.
I thought that we were using it as a puppet state, but apparently it didn't go so well there.
tim pool
My point is that you're- it's not that you're not allowed to care about these things, it's that whenever I ask people a basic question, they give a fake answer.
ian crossland
Well, when I talk about Israel, don't talk about Ukraine.
Like, just focus on Israel with me for like 20 minutes.
tim pool
So, that's my point.
This is my point.
Someone will be like, I'm concerned about Israel.
I'll say, oh wow, that's really interesting.
And they'll say, Israel does bad things.
I'm like, oh wow, that's really interesting.
And then they'll say, I'm critical of the Israel government for this reason.
I say, oh wow, that's really interesting.
And then I'll say, what do you think about Ukraine?
I don't know anything about it.
And then I'll say, why don't you know anything about Ukraine?
What's your interest in Israel?
And they'll say, Israel is, as you mentioned, liberal economic order.
And then my response is, of course, they did this in Afghanistan, Iraq.
Libya, Syria, Ukraine, the list goes on.
And I don't know anything about those places.
ian crossland
What do you mean they did this?
What do you mean by that?
They did this in Ukraine, Iran?
tim pool
Conquering, taking over, colonizing, and weaponizing.
No, no, no.
ian crossland
They did not create a new country in any of those places.
They're using them as puppet states, some of them.
But Israel was a... They legitimately created a new country there.
That's unheard of.
It doesn't happen that often.
unidentified
No, it's not.
phil labonte
That happens all the time.
tim pool
But this is a semantic argument.
ian crossland
That's a vague... That happens all the time.
tim pool
It's a semantic argument.
ian crossland
That's a vague hyperbole.
tim pool
It doesn't happen a lot of times.
It's a semantic argument.
ian crossland
What is?
tim pool
You're talking about a hundred plus years ago, there was mandatory Palestine, and people moved there, and then there was a conflict from neighboring countries, it became Israel, and it's funded by the international liberal economic order.
Just because the U.S.
said, hey guys, if we change the name of Afghanistan, people are going to lose their shit and bomb us.
Let's just pretend like it's the same place.
Yo, they removed the governments of these countries and then claim it's the same country.
That's bullshit.
The president of Ukraine was removed in a U.S.A.
style western psyops coup.
Then you have Iraq and Afghanistan, which was literal U.S.
invasion and conquering of a place for decades, which resulted in substantially more civilian death.
My point is, there is an irrational obsession with Israel, and the explanations ignore every other country involved in the exact same complication.
My question then becomes, not of you, but of anyone else, why is it that people in general Get roped into the Israel argument, but ignore the greater military-industrial complex argument, which is the bigger picture.
It's something specifically about Israel for some reason I don't understand.
ian crossland
I think there's a lot of people feel like they're not allowed to talk about it, so they do it with fervor, and that's a mistake.
Like, if it's like, oh, I can't do it, well then I'm gonna do it twice as hard.
tim pool
Let's go to callers.
serge du preez
Alrighty, I was gonna jump in there, but I wasn't very sure how to do it.
Anyways, Bertard, Serge, Dil, O, Wayfair, I think.
ian crossland
Is that English?
serge du preez
I have no idea.
They got their own language on Discord.
unidentified
I'm cult maxing, give me a break.
serge du preez
Cult maxing, I love it.
unidentified
You have to do that to survive the Discord, trust me.
serge du preez
You do, indeed.
unidentified
No, you don't actually.
But yeah, guys, thanks for taking my call.
So I've called in a couple times at this point about the whole, I want to write software to help the culture and information war thing.
And I came to realize that, honestly, this very show is a goldmine of potential project ideas.
Anytime you say something like, you know, if people really wanted to stand up and make a difference, they would X, Y, and Z, like suing companies for DEI discrimination, Gathering evidence and bugging sheriffs or DAs or AGs to press charges, etc.
If you had a platform to bring that together and catalyze it, people might actually be able to do that.
Along those lines, my spoiler question tonight is about Billboard.com.
On the show that ironically got Epstein'd, you mentioned that Billboard.com has changed their metrics such that they no longer report a lot of sales except the ones through big tech platforms.
But they get their information directly from Luminate.
So if somebody were to make a Billboard.com clone using Luminate's data with the old metrics, how impactful do you think that would be?
If you didn't have to build it, how much would you like to see that become a reality?
tim pool
We actually talked about doing that.
So, the issue is that Luminate data shows all the sales and everything.
Billboard is just a magazine.
But Billboard is the institution that everyone wants to get recognition from.
So, we actually are signing up.
I believe we signed up with Luminate.
So we now have all that data.
And we were thinking to ourselves, why don't we just publish it?
Like, there you go.
Luminate says, here's how many sales you have.
Billboard goes, we don't care.
We'll just make our own charts.
So, that's there.
We could.
It's Illuminate 700 bucks a month.
Not even that much in terms of a business getting access to the data of all music everywhere.
The issue for Billboard, and I can respect this to a certain degree, is part of it's political.
Fuck that.
I don't agree with that.
But part of it is also people are constantly trying to find ways to scam the data.
So let's say you, a fan, will buy a song on iTunes, then Amazon, and then your website.
One person gets you three sales.
And of course they're all playing this game.
So you could set up 50 websites for direct sales, one person could buy the song 50 times through each of the different websites, and then claim 50 sales.
Part of the reason why I think Billboard's like, we don't count this shit anymore because people are cheating.
I think it's bullshit, however.
I think a lot of it, because I've talked to Tom MacDonald about it, absolutely is political because they've actually eliminated certain charts for no reason.
It's like, if you had the chart, why get rid of it?
Well, Tom MacDonald was trending, so we don't want that to happen.
But yeah, if you want to build it, build it.
We're thinking about it.
unidentified
Cool, yeah, I mean Surge was on the Discord the other day and we were talking about how you guys had thought about that and how cool it would be.
So yeah, that's cool.
Glad that that's just to kind of get some clarity on what kind of things might be desired.
That's fantastic.
If I could just ask one tiny follow-up question.
If someone else were to build it and maintain it, right, do all the coding work on, like, and keep it running in that capacity, is this something that you think Either Timcast or Trash House Records or even Based Records.
Is that something that the alt music industry might want to support?
Like the hosting and the data?
tim pool
It's time for a parallel economy music system.
So yeah, it depends on what the rules of Luminate are.
I'm pretty sure that Luminate has no rules pertaining to the charting system because you don't publish the data, you just rank them.
I don't think they would give a shit about our editorial approach to it.
So you could even automate it.
You could automate a system likely through Luminate's API that doesn't expose their data because they're selling their data.
They don't want that being given away, but you could at least say 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
We could create a bunch of charts.
unidentified
Right, you're just doing whatever aggregation.
tim pool
Yeah, to be fair, what Billboard does, their charts, they have to hire people to do.
So one of the reasons they make it rid of charts is because they don't want to hire people to do it.
I can track through Illuminate, name a band.
Someone has to go in and search all of those bands and then basically generate the list of those bands.
There's analytical work that has to go into it, it's not so easy to do.
unidentified
Oh yeah, for sure.
With a little effort you could automate it, like you say.
So yeah guys, that's fantastic.
Thank you so much.
I don't really have anything else to shout out.
Well besides, if you're interested in working on projects like this, hit me up on the Discord whenever.
I love talking about this.
Sweet.
phil labonte
Awesome, man.
serge du preez
Oh, yeah.
Appreciate it, man.
I wish you the best with it.
It's always good to... It's always hard to find ideas, but when you find a good one, it's nice and, uh, what's the word, rewarding when you finish it.
unidentified
So, best of luck.
serge du preez
100%.
All right.
Dave, the LEGO guy, you are live.
How are you?
unidentified
Yes.
Uh, first time calling in.
Uh, I've been watching IRL since the early, early days.
So, it's nice to finally get in here.
serge du preez
Oh, yeah.
Welcome, man.
unidentified
All right.
So, my, um, My question is for specifically Phil, since he responded to the question mostly, but also for them.
What are the arguments against nationalizing the Lockheed Martin and all that stuff, the weapons manufacturers?
Why would nationalizing those things be a bad thing?
tim pool
They should be nationalized.
Right now.
unidentified
Well, Phil earlier, he said no to nationalizing.
tim pool
Phil, do you want me to tell you why they should be nationalized?
phil labonte
Sure.
tim pool
Because government bureaucracies fail, government-run businesses fail, and if the government nationalized the weapons manufacturers, they would crumble under the weight of their incompetence.
phil labonte
Yeah, maybe, maybe.
tim pool
The investors would revolt, money would be lost, warmongers would lose all of their money when it gets shut down by the government, basically takes it over.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I, yeah, I just, there's so many weapons manufacturers that are international, it would be something.
tim pool
Right, and there are small weapons manufacturers too.
Lockheed Martin, so if we're talking about just the big ones, shut them all down, fuck them.
But then there are like, there are small companies that make guns, you know what I mean?
But the reality is you don't want to do it because you don't want to centralize that kind of power with the government.
There's got to be a barrier.
It's not perfect.
Our system is totally fucked, by the way, but I don't know.
We just want to do less nationalization.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Okay, so follow-up question.
What about, so with, like, the weapons manufacturers, what about, like, utility companies, like, you know, electrical and phone lines and stuff like that?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, there's already some type of collusion between government and most of those infrastructure providers.
There's some type of government-okayed monopoly, whether it be on your landlines or your cable companies.
A lot of times your Sewer lines whoever put those those installs.
That'll be something that the state will or town will will You know bid out and stuff.
So those kind of things already have some amount of government monopoly or nationalization, but I did personally I mean, I'm I'm the kind of dude that likes when the government doesn't stick their nose in things.
unidentified
So that's just my take Okay.
Well, I was just curious, because with the conversation earlier, you said no to nationalization.
Yeah, because government sucks.
And I was wondering what the argument against it is.
phil labonte
But mostly the, the argument against nationalization in most contexts is the, the pressures that markets provide or the feedback that markets provide, uh, are not provided to the government.
So like, if you have a product that is not selling, the fact that it's not selling is information being given to the manufacturer.
They need to get rid of the product or lower the price or change it.
But that data is coming back when it's the government, they don't, things don't fail.
The government just throws more money at it.
So they don't have that.
That loop of data letting you know, letting them know what is and is not You know being supported by the market or or what the market wants, you know Okay, that makes sense.
unidentified
And I I was undecided on the issue.
phil labonte
I didn't really have an argument for or against it, but no that makes total sense and Yeah, that's generally the libertarian argument against nationalization is, for the most part, markets provide information and data that government mandates could never get because they don't have the same feedback that a market does.
unidentified
Cool.
Well, that about answers my question.
Can I just shout out something real quick?
ian crossland
Fuck yes.
unidentified
Okay, so I am Dave the Lego guy.
For anybody who's not in the Discord server, you can find me on Instagram as MatteoThePlagueDoctor to see all the cool Lego stuff that I build.
If you are in the Discord server, if you go over to the showcase tab and just type in Lego in the showcase tab, my showcase shows up and from there you can see some of the cool stuff I've built and it links to my Instagram and my YouTube channel.
Where I talk about me building cool Lego stuff.
So if Legos are your jam, check out the showcase and you can come find me.
serge du preez
Man, you really are the Lego guy.
ian crossland
Thanks, Dave.
I used to build so much shit with Legos.
serge du preez
Cheers, man.
ian crossland
I was like, what I did, what I did.
unidentified
Likewise.
ian crossland
That's what we used to do.
We played with our hands when we were little.
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
phil labonte
Legos were awesome.
serge du preez
Legos are the best.
I am trying to read the name here.
You're with us, JC Kramer.
Yeah, JC Kramer.
unidentified
Hey guys.
ian crossland
Hi.
serge du preez
Howdy.
unidentified
Did you ask what's going on?
Yeah, I've been listening to all these conversations and they relate very much to my occupation, so if you end up needing anything answered in the realm of utilities or anything like that, hit me up.
But my question for you guys was, along the lines of the Trump and Ramaswamy news, Do you think that if Trump was unalived, natural or not, there would be a major response?
Or do you think the Republicans would rally to back some other candidate at the last minute because of the absolute insane measures of the deep state?
My initial thoughts, since Vivek has joined Trump now, is that That might not be the case anymore.
Like, it's a bit more towards the first half of the answer rather than the second.
ian crossland
Your question was if Trump was unalive, if who would throw their support behind Vivek?
Is that what you're asking?
Or someone else?
unidentified
Yeah, I was thinking, like, would there be, like, a major response, civil war?
Or do you think that the Republicans would No, I don't think it would be peaceful.
ian crossland
It would be crazy, crazy, crazy town if someone did that.
tim pool
Maybe not.
Here's the most likely scenario if it is going to be Trump losing his life.
Russia terror attack.
ian crossland
Oh, they'll blame it on some bullshit?
tim pool
Yeah, there'll be a cyber attack which causes some kind of disaster that will cause harm to Trump.
They'll then come out and be like, I mean, what do you think would happen if, overwhelmingly, it appeared, even to Trump supporters, that Russia killed Donald Trump?
ian crossland
Yeah, there'd be a lot of anti-Russia stuff.
unidentified
It'd be insane.
tim pool
It would be demands among the MAGA base to retaliate.
And I know this because when the issue came up of potential assassination, we asked on the show, if the president was assassinated, should the U.S.
declare war and retaliate?
And a lot of people said no, but most conservatives across the internet when addressing this issue said, if you do not retaliate and declare war on a country that killed your president, you have no country.
And I actually agree.
A foreign nation executes one of your principal leaders.
We have more than one, but the president is our principal executive branch leader.
If he was assassinated, that is the most egregious act of war imaginable.
And if we don't retaliate in any way, we're basically saying, we're fair game, do whatever the fuck you want to us.
So imagine...
You want to get rid of Trump?
Oops, Russia did it.
And then what happens if it appears so overwhelming that while many Trump supporters say, I don't trust the government, they're lying.
There's a video, multiple videos, multiple angles.
Or how about Trump goes on a peace mission in Europe and is killed during a meeting with Russia by one of the Russian envoys.
And it's all set up, a guy in Russia as a turncoat working for whatever, insert bad agency you want it to be.
Russia isn't aware, maybe they are, who knows?
If it appears as though Trump was killed by Russia, the U.S.
will get its World War III, and Trump supporters will agree with it.
ian crossland
Oh, and then people like Hillary would be able to be like, you know, I never liked him, but it was unacceptable what they did, and we have to avenge his death.
And it would be like, oh God, and they're profiting off of it.
tim pool
They'll do that thing where it's like, you know, do you have siblings?
phil labonte
I do, sister.
tim pool
You have siblings?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You have siblings?
Yeah, okay.
Serge?
serge du preez
Hey, brother.
tim pool
All right, so like if a stranger insults your sibling, you say, fuck you, motherfucker, I'll fuck you up, but you insult your sibling all day, every day.
I'm allowed, we're allowed to rib on each other, but someone else, like getting in a fight with a family member is your business, but someone else insulting your family is an attack on all of you.
So Hillary and them would be like, Donald Trump was not a good man.
He was dangerous for our country, but we handled things here through a legal process.
And an attack on an American citizen and a political leader is an attack on this country.
unidentified
And then Nikki Haley is going to be like, I think that's why we have to go blow up Russia.
tim pool
And then Trump supporters would be like, I don't care.
Russia did it.
We want we want war.
serge du preez
Oh, man.
ian crossland
I wonder if Don's just like all day, if he thinks about assassination like daily now.
tim pool
I would like Nikki Haley to not have teeth.
ian crossland
They're huge.
unidentified
I want Nikki Haley to get the grill that Kanye just got.
phil labonte
That's what I want.
ian crossland
Do people know that he just had his teeth removed?
This is fucking insane, by the way.
tim pool
I know, and it's not even a good, like, it's garbage.
He got cheap garbage.
So they're saying it's like it's an $850,000 grill.
Motherfucker, dental implants already cost a quarter million dollars.
For real, like, a full set of dental implants is like $100,000 to $200,000.
Kanye got an $850,000 titanium grill.
I'm like, The way I describe it is, if I bought a Honda Civic, and you bought a Honda Accord.
Ain't nobody driving on a Honda Accord being like, yo look at my ride!
You'd be like, Honda Accord's nice.
It's an upgrade from the Civic.
Is it a Touring?
phil labonte
Okay, so it's got heated seats and it's got the... It's a sensible car, though, you know?
It gets me where I gotta go.
tim pool
Like a Touring could cost 60 grand.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, hey, no joke.
Honda Civic, 20 to 30.
But no one's driving the Civic being like, yeah, it's two or three times the cost of... No one's driving the Accord being like, two to three times the Civic.
No, you get like a Lotus or a McLaren.
You want to get a fancy car, you drop a million bucks.
So if you wanted to get a hot grill, he's gotta spend at least two or three million, but otherwise he's basically just doing a goofy upgrade on standard.
ian crossland
But like, your teeth are priceless.
Did his teeth fall out?
I don't understand.
unidentified
They looked good to me.
tim pool
No, they were fine.
ian crossland
They just look normal teeth, from what I could tell.
And he literally, this is confirmed, we're confirming it in real time, he had this teeth pulled the fuck out of his head, is that what happened?
phil labonte
I think they do the same thing you do when you get veneers, like they shave them down and then put the thing on it.
And if you get veneers, one of the good things, I looked into getting veneers, and when you get veneers, you never have to do dental work ever again.
That's the last dental work you ever have to get.
ian crossland
Connelly denied the teeth removal, telling The Complex, this is from page6.com, he did not have his teeth removed, he still has a full dentition, healthy and happy.
serge du preez
Yeah, I was thinking it could be like a grill.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Dude, leave it to Kanye to pull some shit and just put some fake things over his teeth and be like, yo, motherfucker.
serge du preez
Yeah, and then people probably ran with it and he's like, yeah, sure, I'm not going to stop it.
Yeah, because he's like free merchandising.
Not merchandising, but free press, you know?
phil labonte
Yay, new grill.
ian crossland
He wanted to look like Jaws.
He was comparing himself to Jaws from 007.
That's pretty cool.
unidentified
What?
serge du preez
That guy's wild.
ian crossland
The villain, Jaws, from 007, he would like, bite, he had like a real strong bite.
Did you ever see that movie?
phil labonte
No, yeah, I did, I did.
serge du preez
That was a wild movie.
Didn't he like bite steel or something?
unidentified
Maybe, yeah.
ian crossland
He could bite through stuff.
unidentified
Anyway, shall we, uh, move on?
serge du preez
Anything else to say, my friend?
unidentified
Yeah, just real quick.
I am trying to develop a game for Temcast IRL.
It's going to be a card game that's a mix between trivia and poker.
If anybody's interested in testing that with me, I would love for you to reach out to me.
Do it on Discord.
Thanks.
tim pool
We've got our first set for, um... Cheers, man.
Uh, Debate Me is the name of the game.
Did I describe Debate Me already?
serge du preez
Uh, briefly.
ian crossland
It would've been a couple months ago if you did.
tim pool
Yeah, it was a while ago.
I think we need to hire a standard, like, game master.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
We were talking with one company about having them take control of it, but for a variety of reasons, it has to be internally, mostly because we've already done a lot of work on the game, and so we can't just hand that off.
But, um, we probably need to hire someone who's gonna oversee that development and production.
unidentified
Yeah, I agree.
tim pool
Someone who knows the culture war.
ian crossland
I work well with gamers in general, but someone that's dedicated to it, like, every day.
tim pool
The idea is to make a game, if you've ever played Texas Hold'em, it's the same game.
Decks are 52 cards, 13 power levels, there's left, right, center, and establishment, those are the factions, and the purpose of the game is to build the best debate team.
So if you have two level two debaters, you beat a prime debater because you have two of them, and that's the way it works.
So, it's the same as poker.
There's a brigade, which is a flush, all the same side.
If everyone in your hand is left wing, you have a brigade.
That's a flush.
And, uh, the stronger brigade wins.
If you have, like, a straight, we'll call it something else.
But then the goal is, cards, rare cards, and special cards will have different abilities that affect the game, but they'll all be optional.
So we're building that right now.
We have the first base set.
We just need someone to manage it so it can get done faster.
serge du preez
Brianna, do you have any experience with games?
unidentified
No, none.
I have zero to contribute to that one.
serge du preez
Neither do I. So I kind of just let everyone go.
ian crossland
Did you play video games back in the day?
Did you guys?
unidentified
Not really, no.
No.
tim pool
So the game is everybody starts with 200 followers.
If you think your debate team is good, you invite your followers to the debate.
If you win the debate, you gain everyone's followers.
So the loser of the debate loses their followers, the winner gains the followers, and whoever wins all the followers in the end is the winner.
Or however you want to do it.
And that way we bypass all the rules around poker being illegal because we're playing a collectible trading card game.
Anyway, let's grab that next caller.
unidentified
Yep!
serge du preez
Last, but certainly not least, Farm Graceful... I can't read the rest of it.
Farm Graceful Swan, I'm assuming, SW?
ian crossland
Swan Fatale.
unidentified
Farm Graceful Swan Fatale.
serge du preez
Oh, Swan Fatale, how are you doing?
unidentified
I'm doing well, how are you guys doing?
phil labonte
Doing well as well.
serge du preez
Being in there just having a good time.
unidentified
Happy to finally call in.
serge du preez
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
I'm just graceful swan because I fell off a ladder and broke my leg.
phil labonte
Oh no!
ian crossland
Damn Stereo.
unidentified
Anyway, so my question is, I actually noticed today that my official election mailer from the state of Nevada doesn't have the right date or doesn't have the date at all for the GOP primary caucus on there.
It has primary listed and it has the date for the Democrat caucus and in the state you have to go caucus with where you're registered and I actually also got my sample ballot today out of the mailbox and it's the same thing.
It says February 6th No mention of February 8th on either side of the card.
and the second side doesn't mention February at all.
So, let's just see what guys thought would be possibly our outcome from that.
tim pool
Are you a registered Republican?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
That's crazy.
I'm not surprised.
It sounds like election interference.
What else do you expect?
unidentified
Yeah, it kind of proves the point of that doctor that was on Culture War with you about his notifications.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
What was that?
tim pool
He said that the way they cheat is really simple.
Facebook will send Democrats a reminder to vote, and they won't send Republicans one.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, it's insidious.
tim pool
Yep, and they're saying it's free speech, I can say what I want.
unidentified
Yeah, I even looked at Politico, which I hate to confirm that I wasn't crazy, that the date is February 8th, and it lists both the 6th and the 8th.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's frustrating.
Well, that's what I heard when I was still living in California about bringing these random mail-in things for people that weren't alive, that didn't live there.
I think I probably got a mail-in thing for someone that didn't live in the house anymore, just like a random thing.
And the idea is that you'll be going to the right person or whatever, but you could easily have just filled it in and sent it in and no one would know.
phil labonte
And a lot of these problems could be solved if the RNC was run, you know, by someone that had half a brain.
serge du preez
Right now, Rhonda McDaniels.
phil labonte
Yeah, Rhonda McDaniels is an absolute train wreck.
And a lot of these, there are things that could be repaired and band-aids that could be placed over stuff if you had a competent Republican party, but you don't.
serge du preez
Yeah, shout out to my father.
See, I told you we're talking about her.
She sucks.
ian crossland
Your father?
serge du preez
Yeah, he doesn't like Ronald McDonald.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
serge du preez
Yeah.
ian crossland
Who does?
unidentified
Yeah, I can't stand her at all.
I totally stopped donating to them because the money doesn't go where it's supposed to.
ian crossland
I told Charlie Kirk I thought that Turning Point was taking the role of the RNC.
tim pool
Yep.
serge du preez
Yeah, pretty much.
ian crossland
It does kind of feel like that, at least the excitement of the Republican Party is at Turning Point.
serge du preez
Or AmFest.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, I don't know, I suggest you talk to a local rep.
Ask them about it.
serge du preez
Yeah, and best of luck with your leg.
unidentified
Yeah, I've been trying to find out information.
Thanks, I'm almost out of my boot.
Nice.
What are you gonna do first when your leg's healed?
phil labonte
Scratch the leg.
unidentified
Scratch.
We're gonna go probably shoot some shit, because I'm one of those little small manufacturers that would not like the nationalization to happen.
Nice.
serge du preez
Hell yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, sweet.
phil labonte
What do you manufacture?
unidentified
Right on.
Um, suppressors and then just different NFA items.
Cool.
I have a 22 suppressor called a Gopher Gator, which is my favorite.
phil labonte
Nice.
tim pool
Sweet.
Right on.
serge du preez
Yeah, well, cheers.
Thanks for calling in.
ian crossland
Thank you.
unidentified
You guys come see us in the discord and searcher hair gives me life every day.
tim pool
Well, Brianna, thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And for everybody who's a member, uh, I'm texting over here about our super Tuesday plans, which is going to be in West Virginia.
And I think it's going to be a long show.
It might even, I think it'll be like, it could be really long.
It just depends because super Tuesday is going to be wild.
Like how much was it?
16 States I think are voting, but here's the crazy shit.
What if Hayley and Ron drop out?
Then there's no Super Tuesday.
So we have to plan the event well in advance.
We may have a Super Tuesday event plan with tickets sold and then they drop out and there's a Super Tuesday.
ian crossland
We'll just call it Tuesday.
tim pool
We'll just call it regular Tuesday event live.
Tim Guest IRL.
Alright everybody, we're gonna wrap it up there.
Thanks for being members.
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