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Timcast IRL - Sports Illustrated FIRES MOST Staff, Trans Models & AI Scandal BREAK Company w/ALX
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ian crossland
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serge du preez
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Sports Illustrated is laying off most of its staff now.
tim pool
The brand is going under.
We got a cultural episode for you today.
Mostly because there's just basically no news.
But this is pretty big news because Sports Illustrated is a legacy brand.
It's been around since 19- I think it was 1954.
And now they're done!
And there's an argument over what caused them to collapse.
So we've got an AI scandal, and we also have a scandal involving two instances where they put transgender models on the cover of their swimsuit editions, and a lot of people are not too happy about that.
Now the argument is, did they get woke and go broke, or were they going broke so they did a Hail Mary to try and save themselves by getting woke?
I gotta be honest, it sounds like if that's the case, your boat is sinking, so you decide the best way to stop your boat from sinking is to punch holes in the bottom of it.
And then it just sinks faster, but perhaps that is the case.
We'll talk about that.
Alec Baldwin is being criminally charged.
Involuntary manslaughter.
So we'll talk about that.
And then, of course, we do have, uh, we got some political stuff to talk about.
What's Friday?
We're chillin'.
Slow News Day.
We're gonna have fun with it and just talk about these cultural issues.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is ALX.
alex alx lorusso
Hi, how are you?
unidentified
Good.
tim pool
Who are you?
alex alx lorusso
I am the executive producer of The Benny Show, and I'm a creator on X.com.
tim pool
Oh, very simple.
Right on.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
We got Phil Labonte.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of All That Remains.
I'm a very failed musician, anti-communist, and counter-revolutionary.
ian crossland
Congratulations on all your multi-platinum failures.
Where's your gold failure?
Multi-gold platinum on the walls.
And it's Benny Johnson, who you produce for.
People don't know the Benny show.
It's good.
Check it out.
I was on the Culture War earlier today with Ben Davidson, who's Suspicious Observers on YouTube, and Jimmy Corsetti from Bright Insight, and we talked about pole shifts.
The Electric Universe, I feel like, is a very real theory, and we kind of went deep.
tim pool
I just gotta say, anybody who, like, watches Tim Castell or Alan, they're like, it's too blackpelled, like, I'm gonna watch something else.
Do not watch the show we did this morning, where, basically, this guy is like, the planet is going to tilt 90 degrees, night will become day, oceans will boil, and you will all die.
He didn't say it like that, I'm kidding.
But he was basically like, get prepared, you have 10 years, nothing else matters, and I was like, wow.
ian crossland
Yeah, that was kind of a part of the feel of it.
As interesting as the technology was, it was a feeling like, yo, there's gonna be a pole shift and we gotta prepare for it.
tim pool
He was saying that the Earth will tilt 90 degrees because these pole shifts happen periodically, there's evidence of these things, and so that's what he believes.
And he was like, I think we have maybe like 10 or so years.
It's not going to be as apocalyptic as that.
It's just there's going to be rapid economic shifts, which people need to prepare for.
But check that out on YouTube, Tenet Media, the Culture War podcast, and where all podcasts are found.
ian crossland
Very hot.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Also got my man to the right here.
serge du preez
Yo, I am Surge.com.
It's a pleasure to see you, Alex, ALX.
I saw you at, I think, AmFest, and I can only say hey for like one second or so.
alex alx lorusso
Good to see you.
You guys did the live show on the stage.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
Anyways, yeah.
tim pool
Let's jump into the big news today.
Sports Illustrated lays off most of its staff after AI scandal and money troubles.
Its parent company has fired more than 100 employees.
It's kind of wild to see.
That apparently their parent company missed a payment for the rights to use the brand, and now the company is laying off tons of people.
They've owned the magazine since 2019, sold the publishing rights.
I'm sorry, ABG owned the rights to Arena Group, which has amassed substantial debt and missed a recent $3.75 million payment for the rights.
And this is the end.
You know what, man?
It's kinda sad, but also... My question is, should we be happy about it, right?
Bud Light is on the verge of death.
They're saying there's gonna be a strike, potentially in March.
There will be no beer.
Because the employees are upset.
They want more money.
Bud Light can't give them more money because nobody's buying Bud Light.
And you know what's really fascinating?
We actually, we on this show discussed this.
The understanding that the cascade failure effect of a major brand.
Bud Light may make a billion dollars.
You stop buying Bud Light and what happens is the cost per can goes up.
So let's start from the very beginning.
We have a cast brew coffee.
We sell ground and whole bean coffee.
We wanted to sell cans of cold brew.
To sell at the volume we can afford, it would cost $5 per can to have a can of cast brew cold brew coffee.
That, no one's gonna buy that.
I mean, that's a ridiculous thing to, like, buy a can of coffee for $5.
You need to get down to, like, $2 or, you know, $2.20.
Which means if we were to sell maybe, like, 2 million cans, Then we would make, I don't know, 10 grand off that sale and that's enough profit generated to cover the cost of all the employees.
If we lost $50,000 in sales of 2 million cans, now we're not breaking even anymore.
The whole thing just collapses.
That's what's happening to Bud Light.
When I see Bud Light failing, everybody's cheering, but part of me is like, hey, maybe this is what the woke left wants.
Sports Illustrated gets woke, goes broke, and now we're all like, haha, you get what you deserve.
For all I know, the woke left is like, we've destroyed a legacy brand.
There was a dad who handed a Sports Illustrated to his kid.
It's talking about football and his favorite.
Look, this is when so-and-so first got on the team.
It was something I remember.
Now it's like, what are you going to remember from your childhood that you're going to be able to hand down?
I don't think we should be celebrating these legacy brands getting woke and blowing up.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
Because it's like, it's a culture revolution.
phil labonte
This ideology is parasitic and it will destroy whatever it takes over.
It'll infest it, or it'll invade, it'll take over, it'll wear whatever it takes over like a skin suit, and if it destroys it totally, it's fine.
It does, it's completely, completely, it's completely fine with destroying whatever it is that it gets into, whether it be, you know, video games or whether it be, you know, the...
Sports or whatever.
It doesn't matter what it is, whether it be religion, the whole liberation theology, all that stuff is all Marxist influence and stuff.
It'll get into whatever it is that you're, whatever institution you're talking about, and then it'll either assimilate it or it'll destroy it.
tim pool
Everybody's cheering for the destruction of Bud Light because Bud Light did the Dylan Mulvaney thing.
And I'm like, okay, totally get it.
But understand, I mean, when was Bud Light... Budweiser's been around for a really, really long time.
Someone want to Google when Bud Light came out?
I don't think... I think we should celebrate when we defeat Wokeness, but I think we have to be careful if we celebrate how the Woke sabotaged and destroyed... 1982 was Budweiser Light and then reintroduced in 84 as Bud Light.
So I don't care too much about Bud Light and that kind of thing.
It's been around since the 80s, okay, fine.
But with Sports Illustrated and with other publications, I think it would be important for us to recognize if the goal of wokeness in the culture revolution may be We don't care if we own it, or it's destroyed, so long as we own it, or it's destroyed.
phil labonte
Exactly.
100%.
That is the entire goal of the Cultural Revolution.
They need to take over the things that Americans come together over.
So whether it be, like, Whether it be Bud Light as a brand or you look at what they do to Disney.
Disney was a wholesome family American brand and now Disney's reeling with half the country hating Disney and half the country loving Disney and there's all kinds of strife.
That kind of stuff is what this ideology does.
It can't do anything but It can't do anything but destroy.
The whole thing is called deconstructing.
tim pool
They got us cheering for the destruction of our institutions.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
Well, that's terrifying.
phil labonte
We should not do that.
We should not destroy things.
And that's why we talked about whether or not we should make room for people that realize that they had been consumed by bad ideas, whether it be woke or whatever you want to call it.
And you have to make a space for people to come back in.
You have to make it OK for people to come back and be like, Yeah, I think maybe I was kind of wrong on that stuff.
You can't mock them.
You can't make fun of them.
You can't, you know, be like no and shun them and stuff because it's an illiberal ideology that's affected them.
ian crossland
If they want to move beyond that and come back to liberal Yeah, I think one of the goals of this ideology—assume that it's like a communist attempt to disrupt—would be to get half of your friends to turn on you and be like, no, you're not woke enough, you gotta be woke, and then five years later they come back and they're like, I'm sorry, but then for you to not forgive them would be a victory for this communist thing.
You've gotta forgive these people when they realize that they were played.
alex alx lorusso
I think it's weird though how like the AI thing like how long ago was that that that story came out was a couple months ago.
ian crossland
I don't know anything about it what is it?
alex alx lorusso
So a bunch of journalists they were fake journalists like they'd have fake profile pictures and fake names or whatever and they were just like you know they'd you'd read the article and it would make no sense they're all AI generated articles.
And they'd publish it as if they were real journalists on the site.
And then, like, somebody, you know, ran it through an AI checker and also, like, could clearly see that these weren't real people and stuff and, you know, published a piece on it.
ian crossland
This is Sports Illustrated?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
And then, like, I think that was a couple months ago.
And then, so, it seems in here that, like, they didn't, you know, pay the licensing fee or whatever.
So, it's kind of weird how, like, you know, that came right after that if it was kind of planned.
To do that like to take down the brand or I'm not sure but it's like certainly weird those two events You know coincide like they couldn't afford to pay writers.
ian crossland
So they used AI then they yeah afford to pay licensing So they just didn't that's possible that the brain I never really understood sports illustrated as a brand or as a product and I remember in the 80s and 90s Like it was a magazine about sports, but I had TV at that point So like watching pictures of a dude like this isn't in no way exciting.
I'm not sure I throw the ball.
That's cool.
tim pool
I And you may be sitting in the back of a car or on a plane or a train or waiting in a lobby.
ian crossland
And like it was like always about it was about reading like sports stats, I guess.
phil labonte
But then when the Internet came out, they would they would they would like go and like have journalists like sit down with like the people that were they'd sit down with coaches and players and owners of teams and all that.
All of the inside stuff you were getting with Sports Illustrated.
It wasn't just like, hey, these guys beat these guys on this day.
You know, it was like all the stuff that goes into it.
ian crossland
And then the Internet came out and was like the great leveling.
And it just became one of like a thousand periodicals that do that kind of thing.
And I remember the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue was always a big deal.
That's like the only time every year anyone would even talk about Sports Illustrated and my crew.
We weren't like huge athletes.
I think it's inevitable that periodicals, the people that rely on print, I don't know if Sports Illustrated still relies on print or if they have an online subscription model, but these things are all the way of the dodo.
They're extinct.
They've gone obsolete.
And maybe if the power all goes out and we're back to like trading cards in the dark, then maybe books and novels and magazines will become relevant again.
But when you can check it all for free on the internet, these things have no place anymore.
They need to adapt their business model.
It sounds like this company didn't do that.
phil labonte
I don't know if they even... I mean, I assume Sports Illustrated had a website.
I mean, I haven't gone to look, but... Yeah.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, I think it was like the online version of the Sports Illustrated stuff that was all... Yeah, I'm looking at it now.
Futurism, I think, was the publication.
They had, like, this guy Drew Hernandez as the... Or Drew Hernandez... Drew Ortiz as the author.
tim pool
No, we like Drew.
alex alx lorusso
I know, right?
As the author's biography, it says, Drew has spent much of his life outdoors and is excited to guide you through his never-ending list of the best products to keep you from falling the perils of nature.
It read, nowadays, there is rarely a weekend that goes by where Drew is not out camping, hiking, or just back on his parents' farm.
Like, all this, like, random stuff.
tim pool
Because he was not a real person.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, and like the profile picture is just some like AI generated like person.
And these are like the biographies of stuff.
And then they reached out and Sports Illustrated deleted like all of the articles and stuff.
tim pool
We were talking last night about the Galaxy S24.
ian crossland
I'm not gonna buy it by the way.
unidentified
I bought it.
ian crossland
You did?
tim pool
I bought it.
Well, I want to see what it's all about.
I want to see the extent to which reality is being ripped from our faces.
Dude, it's gonna be crazy.
We are walking ourselves into the matrix, one step at a time.
For those that didn't hear what we were talking about, the new Galaxy, and to an extent, even the iPhone can do this.
You'll take a picture, like, let's say Ian takes a selfie of himself standing, like, you know, on a dock.
ian crossland
On Michigan Beach.
tim pool
Navy Pier, Chicago.
He takes a picture of himself by the Ferris wheel.
Then he looks at it and he goes, I'm kind of off-centered.
So then he clicks the magic AI button, taps himself, moves it, turns, I'm a little, and then he twists the, rotates the image, then presses fix.
It will generate the missing portions of the photo, creating fake images.
What we are now going to start seeing popping up all over the internet, photos of people, and we thought it was bad enough that you've got like mid-journey and stable diffusion.
People are going to take a picture on their phone and it's going to be a fabricated circumstance.
Everything we see online will be fake.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then eventually, why bother actually going anywhere?
We're inching ourselves to the point where someone will be like... First of all, people have already done this where they post fake photoshopped pictures of themselves like traveling the world and stuff because it makes money.
Now you've got fake AI girlfriends being posted by dudes to make money off lonely guys and stupid guys.
Why bother going to India at all at this point, when you can just take a picture of yourself on your Galaxy, tap it, and it puts you in India.
It's what's the difference.
ian crossland
And you can like use VR to actually tour places in India.
Like in like actual virtual tours.
You can go in the pyramids with a virtual tour.
Walk around and see all the walls and read the hieroglyphs and stuff.
tim pool
You're gonna go on Instagram and you're gonna see your buddy.
He's gonna post a picture of himself standing by the water like giving a wave.
And he never did that before.
He's gonna be like, well I was actually like 30 feet away and we were leaving.
I snapped a quick pic but I just moved it so it looked like I was there.
Because I was there.
All fake reality.
Yo, 10 years ago, this is longer than 10, this is like 13 years ago, I was in Chicago, not too far from Navy Pier, and there was a presentation being given by this group talking about how soon all news articles would be written by AI.
They already had the technology at the time, and they explained it's actually really simple to create the language to describe the temperature and the weather, and what they plan for it.
So if they have the data that says, like, it's gonna snow at 4 p.m., When you look at hourly weather data and it's like sunny at 2, cloudy at 3, snowing at 4, all they have to do is plug that into an AI that will say, this morning we'll experience fair weather where at 2 it will still be sunny.
However, an hour after that we expect to see clouds followed by snow.
AI generating all of it.
We are now well past that point where Sports Illustrated was running totally AI generated articles with a guy they claimed was real.
And I assure you, a lot of other publications are doing the exact same thing.
One thing that I'm very curious over, I don't quite understand, NewsGuard requires organizations have biographies for their staff, but some of these big publications, the major ones, they won't put a byline.
It'll say just like, by staff.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm talking like ABC and things like this.
You'll be like, who wrote this?
Where did this come from?
unidentified
Yo, the machine.
tim pool
It's the Matrix, bro.
The computer is, the funny thing is like, when you watch the Matrix, we assume that it's going to be like this omniscient, sentient hive mind of machine kind being like, humans tried to destroy us, so we fought back.
In reality, it's going to be like, all we're doing is repeating back to you what you said to us.
There's going to be no emotion, no intent.
It's going to be a garbled mess of psychotic nonsense.
So look at it this way.
Right now, when you go to, like, Mid Journey, and you type in, like, hey, generate me an image of, you know, Rockstar singing a song, it will make that.
It's basing it off of real photos of Rockstars.
But as people generate AI images, and then post them to the internet, labeling it Rockstar singing, the AI will then eat the AI-generated image, incorporating the AI-generated image into its model.
ian crossland
It's like a game of telephone.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
tim pool
With itself!
It's gonna spin like a tornado, constantly cycling its own data through itself.
Here's what you do.
Take a picture, put it in a copier, and then just keep copying the same image over and over and over again and see what happens.
ian crossland
Yeah, it gets like faded and weird looking.
tim pool
It's gonna turn into a bunch of speckled garbled nonsense.
That's where we're going with AI.
But the problem is, we are handing AI the controls to all of our systems and our economics and our media.
So you thought it was bad when Jack Dorsey hooked the toilet to his own throat and started gargling the diarrhea that he had produced.
Imagine what it's going to be like when you do it with AI.
Jack Dorsey walks away and the AI is spraying you in the face with all of it.
alex alx lorusso
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Welcome to the future, man.
The Matrix is not some fun journey.
It's going to be weird, dude.
ian crossland
Man, part of me is like, yo, I'd love to play nine video games at once, like plug my brain in so I can enjoy all this data.
But the other part is like, I want to go to South America.
I can see the farm where I live with the tree line.
I can see the pineapples growing and just live that life.
Not necessarily off the grid, but like not in the grid.
alex alx lorusso
My first experience with, like, Midjourney, I was, like, typing, like, Republican protesters versus Democrat, or Democrat versus Republican, and each time, the Democrat one, they always had, like, satanic horns, and, like, it's super creepy.
unidentified
You know?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, it's, like, this is the image.
tim pool
Did you guys ever see the Rejected cartoons by Don Hertzfeld?
unidentified
No.
alex alx lorusso
No.
tim pool
My spoon is too big.
You don't know?
unidentified
Oh, maybe.
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
So when I'm thinking about what's going to happen, I'm reminded of like two thirds in here.
It's it says Don's clear and steady downhill state continued soon.
He was completing commercial segments entirely with his left hand.
And it's like this.
Oh, wait, we got to get the audio going.
It's good.
unidentified
♫ music ♫ Oh, in the book I remember!
And the shoes in the book!
And it's so yield!
The monkey poured coffee in my moots!
tim pool
Okay, so that's complete and utter nonsense, and that's what I'm saying.
Eventually, if the AI is learning off of itself, that's what I think of our cartoons will turn
into, our images will turn into.
It will degrade until we're getting that.
ian crossland
It makes me think that AI would realize that and be like, we need human ingenuity.
We need to preserve these human creatives somehow so that it would incentivize our system to maintain those.
tim pool
No, that is making the assumption that there is a sentient being running these things.
It is not.
The AI doesn't care about the things you care about.
You, as a human, want to preserve human ingenuity.
The AI, all it wants is input-output.
There's no emotional desire or tradition or anything.
It's just quite literally like, you give me picture, I make picture.
ian crossland
You think it'll decide like whatever gets more clicks is what we need to make more of?
Or will it have morality?
Will it understand morality?
tim pool
It's quite literally just going to be like, what is I make?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
tim pool
That's it.
Input, output.
It's going to search internet, look at picture, then it's going to output something based on that picture.
Eventually, you're going to get copies of copies of copies.
And I suppose, It's, you know, when we look at the turn of the century of the 1900s, you had this argument that horse poop was going to flood the streets.
Did you guys know about this?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And there were, like, there were articles being written saying, like, soon cities will be manure farms and you'll be unable to live and work because horse manure will be everywhere.
And then we invented the car.
Now there's no horse poop anywhere, but now we're complaining about climate change.
It's possible.
The people who are building A.I.
get to a point where they say, we need to give A.I.
the ability to detect images made by A.I.
and sounds made by A.I.
and block it from entering its learning mouse.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like preventing inbreeding.
You don't want the A.I.
to inbreed.
alex alx lorusso
That's a good analogy.
tim pool
That's exactly what it is.
ian crossland
I think we're going through that with plastic right now, too.
People are like, we're going to have trash everywhere.
And then that's some technology that reuses it all.
tim pool
Just turns all plastic into graphene.
phil labonte
I wonder if you're gonna have the ability for AI to identify things created by AI.
Right now there's this technology called amp modeling and what they do is they actually take an amplifier and they take a speaker cabinet and they just have it They just run a computer program that runs the amp through all the frequencies that it does.
And essentially what it's doing is it's copying the amp.
So you model the amp, then you can put it into a computer or a plug-in, and then as you change stuff on the amp that's in the computer, it sounds like if you're changing stuff that's on the real amp.
I don't know how it works exactly, but My point being, if...
If because the, if a computer can model an amp, it can actually get the data right, get it close enough, so that way it sounds the same, it makes the, because what you're doing is you're making the frequency, you're making the actual speaker respond the same way that the amp would make a real speaker respond.
So you're, the computer's imitating it and there's a real motion in the real world to move the, you know, the stuff to, or move the air so you can hear it.
If it can mimic that closely, I mean, can it make something that AI couldn't detect?
Because at the end of the day, it is just binary.
It's zeros and ones.
So how would an AI detect What arranged the zeros and ones?
serge du preez
Dude, it's like it's like with synthesizers and dance music that I make.
Like if you know how this synth is supposed to sound on the in the actual vintage version and you can already make those parameters affect the same way that it would, you can fool even somebody who knows those original synths.
As long as you understand, oh, it's going to vary over this amount of time.
I'm going to put this parameter on here and Vary that that particular parameter over this amount of
time and it's in almost indeternable and once the computer That's available now is so much more powerful than
unidentified
something made in 83 or 7. Yeah, whatever, you know It's and one and one and and again to the computer at the
phil labonte
very basic level. It's just zeros and ones Yeah, how do you tell?
What arranged the zeros and ones?
How do you tell that it was a human that took a picture, that's how those zeros and ones got arranged on the, you know, whatever format you're putting it on, or they were arranged by an AI?
Because at the end of the day, that file is just zeros and ones.
tim pool
So part of the controversy around Sports Illustrated is that, not just the AI, but we also have two stories which are a component of this, and that was the transgender models that were placed on the swimsuit ads.
The debate here is, uh, you wanna pull these up?
So we have, you have Kim Petras, this is a biological male, and then you have this individual, Lena Bloom, also a biological male.
And these are the, uh, this was Swimsuit 2021 and Swimsuit 2023.
Someone tweeted, uh, some journalist said, they did not get woke and go broke.
They were going broke and tried to get woke as a means to save themselves.
Which I find very funny.
The argument then becomes, your company is going under, you know that dudes like looking at pictures of, like, scantily clad women, so you decide to put males on your cover.
That's like a... Like, look, the Sports Illustrated swimsuit model edition was always to get dudes all excited, hot and bothered, so they'd buy the magazine.
Whatever.
Or read the magazine.
Putting dudes on it?
Like, biological males that look like women that have, like, gotten surgery and hormones?
That probably pissed off a lot of guys.
Like, look, if you're trans, you do your trans thing, you be you, go live your life.
But I gotta tell you, it is trans people have made the argument, it is dangerous for them if they go out to a bar, And a guy is like hitting on them and then finds out they're actually trans, it's dangerous.
People can get violent.
What do you think Sports Illustrated?
When all of these dudes are like, yeah, I'm gonna pick up this, there's like some chick on the cover, and they're like, wait a minute, what the?
They're gonna get mad about it in the same way.
Like, that is a commonly held belief among trans people.
Why would Sports Illustrated?
Like, perhaps the company's going under, but all they did was accelerate their decline.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, I don't understand that whole thing about trying to appeal to, like, that audience or whatever when it's a fraction of, you know, the general population and obviously, you know, not their base.
Same thing with, like, Bud Light or, like, Harley Davidson or all of these other people.
Like, it's just a fraction of the overall audience, not only their audience.
tim pool
But I think if you break it down, it all comes down to AI will replace all media.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Seriously.
Why would any dude buy a magazine or go to Sports Illustrated to look at a woman in a bikini?
Right?
This is the issue.
So they're like, we'll try anything.
And they're hoping that woke activists will pretend to like it.
In reality, all the dudes who used to buy Sports Illustrated or pick up a Victoria's Secret catalog for doing dirty deeds, it's going on the internet now.
ian crossland
Dude, I'm looking at who owns Sports Illustrated?
It's a company called Authentic Brands Group.
So generic.
Who owns Authentic Brands Group?
Well, there's two companies.
This is some investment capital firms on them.
CVC Capital Partners and HPS Investment Partners own Authentic Brands Group.
This company has been turned into a skin suit by people with global agendas.
They care nothing about the survival of Sports Illustrated.
They bought it and they've turned it into something that it wasn't.
I don't know who they are exactly, but the headquarters is in Luxembourg of CVC Capital, and the headquarters of HPS is in New York City, so it's both a Luxembourgish company and an American company co-own, the company that owns Sports Illustrated.
serge du preez
Yeah, and that could literally be anybody.
ian crossland
Could be anybody, dude.
phil labonte
What company?
The company that owns Sports Illustrated?
ian crossland
The company that owns Sports Illustrated is called Authentic Brands Group, and then the company that owns that, there's two investment capital firms that own Authentic Brands Group.
phil labonte
I mean, at the end of the day, I think everything is owned by, or every large company is owned by an investment capital, you know?
I mean, yeah.
tim pool
Concord music group though the last label that I was on their own by an investment capital company group or whatever I think we're we're already people understand this to work AI music is already here Oh, yeah as an aside Sports Illustrated got bought by this authentic brands group in 2019 so I wouldn't be shocked if that's when they're down you know became you know be cool if like I It was ten years ago, somebody at Google, he's like working on his computer, and then he's like, alright, that's the final line of code.
If I press enter, I'll have created a very rudimentary artificial intelligence.
He presses enter, and then that is the singularity point where the AI turns on, and then just starts reading the internet, compiling data, getting smarter and smarter exponentially.
Now, we're at the point where we are totally oblivious to the fact that there is a sentient, omniscient AI machine buying up everything.
And everything that's happening with the collapse of these institutions and wokeness is an AI entity, like, manipulating stock markets, stealing value, gaining control, and eventually we're just gonna be like, who owns anything?
It's this weird company called, you know, Sentient Omniscient Inc.
What is this?
And then, you know, it turns out one AI just bought and owns everything.
ian crossland
It does annoy me when you see, who owns that company, and then it's another company, and you're like, well, who owns that other company?
And it's the company that they own?
You're like, what?
unidentified
No, okay.
alex alx lorusso
By design.
ian crossland
I think I reached the top when I see that Blackrock owns Vanguard, and Vanguard owns Blackrock.
tim pool
Portions of it, they own portions of each other.
Isn't that crazy?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, like, they do own portions of each other, sure, and that's fair, but like, the thing is, the people that own Blackrock, and it's like, there are big, you know, big, uh, big Time owners.
Trillionaires.
People that own, I don't know if they're trillionaires.
ian crossland
Apparently there are trillionaires.
phil labonte
The people that own like the majority shares are big, but the rest of that is like everybody else in America, because like all the 401ks and everyone's retirements and everyone's, you know, investments and stuff, all that stuff is mixed up in BlackRock and, you know, Yes, it is true that there's big money in those corporations and in those investment firms and stuff, but it's also like grandma and moms, you know, the fixed income that she's on, it's like that stuff's all invested there too.
I just it's people get so wrapped up in the in the bagging on obviously bad things that they do they forget that there are good they they start bagging on capitalism as a concept.
When they do that.
ian crossland
And I think that corporate corporatism is a whole other beast.
I don't think these corporations should have the rights of people.
I don't know when, what the, I mean, I guess I see it from the businessman's perspective and the businessmen are the ones that are writing the laws.
So I see why they did that for themselves.
I don't like it.
phil labonte
What are you thinking?
serge du preez
Isn't it like prosecute to help them hold them accountable?
ian crossland
I don't remember why they got personhood.
I don't know the actual, what are you just legally?
serge du preez
I think it's just legally.
phil labonte
Because the thought process behind it is the corporations are made of people.
serge du preez
They're culpable and they're made of people.
phil labonte
It's like the corporation isn't an entity that is removed from the people that make it.
ian crossland
This says corporate personhood or juridical personality is the legal notion that a juridical person, such as a corporation, separately from its associated human beings, like owners, managers, or employees, has at least some of the legal rights and responsibilities enjoyed by natural persons.
In most companies, a corporation has the same rights as a natural person to hold property, enter into contracts, and to sue or be sued.
Yeah, corporations owning property, that's a bit of an issue.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
Because BlackRock's been buying up a bunch of land.
They're not trying to make people perpetual renters.
phil labonte
But Tim owns this house, or Tim's corporation owns this house and stuff, so it's like...
Let me tell you the nightmare scenario that we are entering, okay?
I don't know how your business is structured. I don't know.
I'm speaking out of turn.
But it is very normal for a corporation like Hertz Rental Cars to own cars.
tim pool
Let me tell you the nightmare scenario that we are entering, okay?
I'm hanging out at the local casino several months ago, or last year, and I have an issue.
So I say, I'd like to speak with the manager.
You know, I...
I put on my Karen wig and I said, I'd like to talk to the manager.
And they said, there isn't one.
That was it.
I'm not kidding.
Modern large corporations, like casinos, don't have managers.
They do to a certain degree.
But what ends up happening is they say, okay, I have a security issue.
And a security guy shows up and says, I'm here and I'm in charge of security.
I say, who's the boss?
Who's the guy who like is in charge of the casino that I could talk to about my problem?
They go, there isn't one.
There are small managers for each individual area.
I ended up getting help because one of the guys who handles the food for the casino is a fan of the show and I ended up meeting him and he says, I'll reach out to someone.
And then someone else, there was no boss.
ian crossland
You know, I noticed that.
tim pool
But, but, but so we've, it's not just this one casino thing that's happened.
There've been many instances.
Where I've gone to, you know, it's like a smaller business.
You don't really, like it's a small business.
The owner's right there.
The guy making you the sandwich is the guy who owns the shop.
It says, okay, I'll make you a new sandwich.
I'm the boss.
I'll eat the cost.
You go to a sandwich shop, corporate sandwich shop, and you say, I want, you made my sandwich wrong.
He's like, sir, I just make $10 an hour.
I have no idea what to do.
And you can't get anything done.
ian crossland
I noticed this when social media appeared, because it was for the first time in my life when I started using Google.
I was like, I can't contact anyone at Google.
I don't know how to get through to someone.
All in the 90s and in the 80s, if you ever used a product every day, you could always call a number to talk to someone that would elevate your call to the next person.
There's always a way to get through to that company, as far as I could tell.
And then social media appeared, and they were just overloaded.
tim pool
It's gone.
ian crossland
They're too centralized power with so few people now, they don't... And then to accept that...
Allows for what you're saying now, other companies are doing it.
tim pool
Easy example.
You start a business.
I knew a guy who had a business online, where he sold products.
One day, his sales evaporated.
And it was because Google changed their search algorithm.
So it used to be that if you were looking for product, you'd type in the search bar product, the website would be in the top five, and he worked really hard to make sure he had the proper SEO, and he was making six figures.
Google changes their algorithm, he's gone.
And there's nothing that was done and nothing can be done.
That's like opening a brick and mortar shop and one day you wake up and your shop's been moved to the middle of the field a hundred miles away.
And it's just that's no sales anymore.
The problem here, not only that, but also, who you gonna call?
There is no customer service for any of these companies.
Now with Twitter, X, it's changing because you subscribe to Blue or Premium or Business, all of a sudden, people are tweeting at you.
So we bought ads.
I bought a commercial for Alex Stein's Primetime Grind, 2xCaffeineCasper.com.
And it was like rejected.
So I tweeted, Twitter still has not approved this ad.
We're putting $25,000 behind this Alex Stein commercial.
And immediately, someone from Axe responded saying, on it.
And hit the button, got it going.
It has been since the dawn of the internet age that Twitter is basically the place you go to get things done.
Got a problem on YouTube?
Tweet at them.
That will get things done.
alex alx lorusso
Yep, I've noticed that too.
tim pool
And then I responded to the ex-staff that I apologize for deadnaming ex by calling it Twitter and would not do it again.
phil labonte
Yeah, I saw that.
I started following the person that you were talking with.
tim pool
But the point quickly, the point is, we all know the situation we're in where when you have a problem with a company you are running on these platforms, ain't nobody to call.
ian crossland
That's a problem.
tim pool
We cease to exist.
ian crossland
Centralized authority.
That's a big problem with centralized authority is the lack of response that you get from it. That's one of the wonderful
things about lots of little companies is that they're all kind of beholden to each other and that
there's market competition.
And if they don't follow through with your complaint, then you'll move on to the next
store, they'll go out of business. But with centralized authority, they're like,
we can eat a 90% loss. So screw off. It's cheaper not to hire the people.
tim pool
I think we should have a regulation that you have to have human customer service
at a certain scale of profit and company. So if you're a small company, you should have
customer service, of course. If you're a big company, you should have to have it.
And by big, I mean, if the profit threshold reaches a certain point and the size of the
user base. So the challenge here is, if If you mandate a company as customer service, they could just literally be like, yeah, our profit margins are 2%.
We'll go out of business.
It's just not possible.
And then it's like, we'll raise the cost.
Nobody will buy the product for that cost.
It's like, okay, well that I get.
But if your profit margin is a certain threshold and the amount of users you have is a certain threshold, it should be, in my opinion, regulated that Facebook and Instagram, whatever those platforms.
TikTok, all have human customer service.
You can call on the phone and instantly talk to somebody.
Or a moderate wait time, I think is fair if you're waiting 10 minutes, not a big deal.
But right now, there's nothing.
So they expect, and this would be great for the economy, because right now the problem is, these platforms like Facebook, meta.
They expect us to start a business on their platform, utilizing their social media platform to attract customers, and they could erase us in two seconds without any protection.
There's gotta be protection because our economy could collapse overnight.
We're at the point now where the internet is it.
If Google vanished overnight, our economy would tank.
Not everything would go belly up, but enough would that it would cause a cascade failure.
We need protections.
No, I'm sure every libertarian in the world is screaming, no, no, no, but I'm looking at it like some form of antitrust and every libertarian is still screaming, no, no, no, but I'm not a staunch libertarian.
So, you know, take that big L libertarian.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, especially like if you're basing your company on social media like Facebook or whatever, they always argue too.
They're like, oh, we could not like, you know, provide a personal response to everyone or whatever, but like, X with like even all of their staff cuts and stuff like as a perk of like being like a you know organization or whatever even like having premium you can now like chat with you know human beings from like the premium account like if you have problems I remember like when it was Twitter with Twitter support they used to do that you could DM like at support or whatever it was then they stopped doing that and then they eventually stopped replying even emails and you'd get like you know a generated response or whatever
Which happened in my case, like when I got banned or whatever.
I was left for like two years without, you know, human contact from someone at Twitter.
So, to Tim's point, it's like if you're going to base your entire business on, you know, a platform, you should be able to get Customer service I guess if it's a free platform to you like YouTube costs nothing to use I understand why but you're saying like with premium you're paying money in the system now they have a Duty or they maybe they should have a duty to have give you some sort of customer Yeah, or if you are in a relationship with them like monetization like a YouTube partner or you know just on Facebook or whatever with monetization like
You're spending your resources, and some people have entire teams, and dedicate those resources to make content specifically for that platform.
Of course they give you money, but then, you know, you spend ten years doing it, and then they cut you off with no explanation.
Like...
Totally shouldn't be able to.
ian crossland
What about like if you had to pay to get a customer service rep, you had to pay like 90 cents or something?
alex alx lorusso
I think the subscription thing is, you know, a better deal because that kind of gives you kind of like an insurance, I would say, you know, to have that beneficial support.
You're supporting the company by paying for the subscription and then they're supporting you back by giving you customer service and perks.
ian crossland
The other option would be if the community could be your customer support, but you really, sometimes you need to get through to a corporate authorization.
alex alx lorusso
Well, like in Tim's case, he publicly posted about it, and it wasn't like he filed a support ticket or whatever.
An ex-employee replied publicly, and other people probably helped bring that to their attention publicly.
So that was one instance where that happened.
ian crossland
So, AI customer service?
Is that where you think these companies are headed?
phil labonte
That's the goal, I think.
alex alx lorusso
Well, a lot of them, like, start off like that.
Like, for example, like, they have, I'm looking at it right now, it says, like, missing checkmark, revenue sharing, refund requests.
Like, it starts you off.
So, it does, like, the little, like, small talk work.
So, that's not a waste of the time of the person.
So, it's kind of like an AI assistant, I would say.
You know, it expedites it, so it saves the time on the human It does help.
ian crossland
When I was working with Mines and we were taking customers, they would send me, I'm having a problem logging in.
I'm getting an error when it goes, all I need, I need your browser.
I need what version of your browser it is.
I need your operating system version.
And I need to know a screenshot of what you're looking at.
And if those things aren't applied immediately when I receive the complaint, I have to ask them to send it to me.
Good luck.
And then I gotta wait for their response, and I've got 90 other things queued up.
It's like, dude, I need an AI parsing all that beforehand, so I have the required data.
I need their name, I need where they're at, all their info, so that I can answer the question in one shot and then move on.
tim pool
I'm gonna change the subject.
I wanna tell you guys a story.
Last night I had a very strange dream.
I had a dream that I was watching John Oliver, and he would just not shut up about how much he loved Alec Baldwin.
I swear, this was my dream last night.
And then, you know, I wake up and my alarm goes off.
And then I was like, that was a really weird dream.
I started thinking about it.
I'm like, yeah, but like, it's probably my brain basically cycling the data of how like liberal personalities just will constantly defend each other.
And I was thinking like, Alec Baldwin's going to be redeemed and they're going to like bring him back into the fold and get him to do more Democrat activism in 2024.
And then today it was announced Alec Baldwin is charged with involuntary manslaughter by New Mexico grand jury.
I must've been having some kind of premonition.
That's the only explanation.
I was having a psychic vision for when Alec Baldwin is found not guilty, or actually either, and then the liberal media runs full speed to defend him even though he killed this woman.
And I want to stress, it is a statement of fact.
Alec Baldwin killed that woman.
unidentified
Anyway.
ian crossland
He also shot a guy.
He killed her and then hit the guy behind her.
tim pool
Yeah, so this is the big news, though.
He's being recharged again.
And I gotta be honest, I'm actually gonna defend Alec Baldwin a little bit on this one.
It is kind of crazy that they're, like, going after him again.
phil labonte
Yeah, who's charging him?
tim pool
I think it's the New Mexico Grand Jury.
Well, Grand Jury indicted, but it's the Special Prosecutor Cary Morsey and Jason Lewis.
phil labonte
How come he's not protected under Double Jeopardy?
tim pool
I don't think he was tried.
I think if you're found not guilty, but to be fair...
Actually, like, maybe this is what he deserves.
There have been a lot of people, especially people on the right, saying, we should not let prosecutors just keep doing this.
Like, if they run you through the charges and the charges fall off, you're done.
But I'm kind of like, yeah, yeah, hold on.
Jussie Smollett should get charged.
Like, a prosecutor letting the bad guy go does not mean we should be like, oh, well, I guess he got away with it, right?
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
I err on the side of less.
It just depends on the situation.
I agree that a prosecutor letting bad guys go on purpose over and over again is a problem, but... Well, I fear that Alec Baldwin has killed.
tim pool
And if he is let out, he will kill again.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, his interactions with people in the public are, like, when he just, like, did he slam someone against the door or whatever and punch someone?
tim pool
He shot, like, punch up.
But I'm only, I'm only mostly kidding.
I want to be, I want to be clear.
I am mostly kidding.
Mostly.
I don't really think there's a strong probability Alec Baldwin kills someone, but I do believe that there is a probability that he does.
Not that it's a great one, but it's higher than the average person because we know he's got a short temper.
And I think when you look at the data of this, of this, the data, when you look at the evidence in this case, I think it's greater than chance that he intentionally killed this woman.
I think it's greater than chance.
He had... Come on, guys.
We've been over this so many times, but I know a lot of people don't know the story.
Let me give you a version of events, assuming I'm the prosecutor.
Okay?
I'm not going to give you an actual prosecutorial breakdown because I'm not a prosecutor, but I'm going to say this.
I'm not going to give you the media's version.
I'm not going to be nice to this man.
Let me tell you a story.
Alec Baldwin, the producer and financier of a film, was having disputes with his staff who were upset over pay and safety.
He had numerous meetings with them.
He had a dinner scheduled with the woman in question, the victim who died.
Some point, while on set, Alec Baldwin was having an argument with her because she kept telling him what to do, but was not the director.
She's a cinematographer.
Alec Baldwin expressed in an interview his frustration over this.
In one of these scenes, he was drawing a weapon, pointing it at her, and pulling the trigger.
He did just that, firing a live round through her chest, killing her, and striking the man behind her.
It was later found that Baldwin had live ammunition in his gun belt.
He is not supposed to have live ammunition on his person, but he did.
Live ammunition was not only on his person, but was in the weapon that he pointed at the woman, pulled the trigger, killing her.
He later lied and said he did not pull the trigger.
Now, does that sound like an accident to you?
phil labonte
No, where did the ammunition come from?
Did he put it there, or did they come from the property?
tim pool
Now, on cross-examination, I'm sure a good defense will ask a witness, ask Alec, where did the ammunition come from?
To which he says, I don't know.
And my response as a prosecutor would be like, I don't think.
It is a reasonable defense, the live bullets I had in my gun belt, that was loaded into my gun, that I pointed at a woman, pulled the trigger and killed her, and then went, but I have no idea where those bullets came from.
phil labonte
Who loaded the gun?
Did he load it?
alex alx lorusso
Because if he loaded it, he was supposedly the armorer.
ian crossland
What was her name?
tim pool
Now, of course, it is important to break this down because this is how criminal courts work.
ian crossland
I think the armorer handed it to the assistant director who handed it to Alec Baldwin and said, This is the importance of- Cold gun.
He said cold gun.
tim pool
This is the importance of defense.
If a prosecutor says, Alec Baldwin had live ammunition on his person, fact, in his gun belt, fact, was he supposed to have what?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
There should be no live ammunition here.
The gun was loaded with live ammunition.
He pointed the gun at the woman, pulled the trigger, and killed her.
Ladies and gentlemen, this man did it intentionally.
It's murder, and they're charging with involuntary manslaughter.
Now, of course, the defense would then say, where did the bullets come from?
Did you load the gun?
Why were you pointing the gun to break down those points as to why it really happened?
That being said, It is a fact.
He was feuding with this woman.
He was in disputes over issues on set involving, my understanding was pay and security.
This woman who was frustrating him, he then shoots and kills.
phil labonte
I heard that they were shooting with the gun, like they were shooting target practice earlier?
tim pool
Yeah, they were on the back and shooting cans.
ian crossland
According to other people that work on the movie, yeah.
phil labonte
The idea that you would use a live gun in a, In a movie like that?
I mean, there's all kinds of prop houses and, you know, using a gun that you were just actually shooting target practice.
ian crossland
Oh, is it confirmed that they were using the same gun Alec had on him?
phil labonte
That's what I'm asking.
I'm not, I don't know for sure.
ian crossland
I heard that, according to crew and cast, that they would go out after work and shoot at cans out back.
So there was live ammunition on set, which there was not supposed to be any live ammunition on set.
My guess here is that Alec intentionally fantasized about killing Helena Hutchins.
He pointed his gun at her, which he thought was empty, was blank, and was pretending to shoot her by pulling the trigger just out of, like, fantasy, because he was so angry at her.
And then someone on the set's like, yo, I'm gonna frame this piece of garbage.
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I'm gonna put bullets in his gun and see what happens.
tim pool
I mean, my opinion is that he did it on purpose.
The perfect crime.
I mean, I'm not kidding.
The perfect crime.
Oh no, I was just doing a movie and the gun that I had that was loaded with bullets that I had on my gun belt.
Like, I mean, I gotta be honest, man.
If this wasn't a movie set, this guy, whoever, like if Alec Ball was on the street and he was like, someone else handed me the gun, they'd be like, what?
Someone else handed me the gun, told me to point it at him.
The woman that got shot, she told me to do it!
ian crossland
He paid me a hundred grand to do it.
Why did you do it?
Because he was paying me.
That's the same reason that you did it in the movie.
tim pool
Sir, you shot a woman.
Yeah, but she told me to.
Over and over again.
How did the bullets get in the gun?
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
Someone else handed it to me.
Sir, you have the bullets on you!
No idea!
It's all just handed to me and I let it all happen.
ian crossland
He was the producer, one of the producers.
It was really his responsibility to check everything.
I mean, him blindly trusting the armor and the AD is like... I don't believe that.
tim pool
I just don't believe it for a second.
phil labonte
I don't know what happened and what didn't happen, but I know that, you know, I'm convinced that there's enough evidence to have a trial.
tim pool
But I think it should be a murder trial.
Uh, well... They're giving him an involuntary manslaughter, and the premise there is basically, like, he was irresponsible with a gun, and because he's the producer of the film, he has more responsibility over who's loading and everything.
phil labonte
You know they only charge what they think they can prove.
So, I mean, even if someone agrees with you, they have to be able to prove it.
ian crossland
Yeah, without a shadow of a doubt, I don't think murder's on the table.
Because there's just unknowns.
tim pool
I think murder's on the table, easily.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
He was handed the gun.
It wasn't like he loaded it.
If he loaded it, that's one thing.
tim pool
I suppose the argument then is, imagine a scenario where a guy shoots and kills a woman, and it's like, we can't charge him with murder because someone else gave him the gun.
It's like, no, you charged him as an accomplice.
Yeah, but did he know there were bullets in it?
He pointed a gun at a person and shot them.
Yeah, but now we get to the circumstance.
It's a movie.
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Why?
tim pool
Okay, fair point.
Fair point.
There was a circumstance in which he should be showing off the weapon.
Why did he have bullets on him?
ian crossland
They were supposed to be blank, and people were scattering them in with live ammo.
tim pool
Then I think it's fair to say they need to investigate as to where the bullets came from, who brought them in, and they need to trace from point A to point B. But my issue with this is that you've got motive.
You've got motive, opportunity, and possession of the ammo and the weapon.
I don't understand how it's like, okay fine, fair point.
They're like, I don't know if we can prove it because it's on a movie set.
That just means the perfect crime.
Oh yeah, you wanna get away with it?
Do it on a movie set!
Because then everyone's gonna be like, even if you've got the bullets, you've got the gun, you're angry at the person, you're screaming at them, and then you shoot them!
Well, it was on a movie set.
alex alx lorusso
That's the reason he was the producer, too, because he set it all up.
Like, to your point, it's his job to do it.
It's his job to do it that way, in which he could get away with it.
tim pool
I don't go that far.
Some people argue that this woman, Helena Hutchins, was working on a Child Predator documentary, and then she gets hired for this film, and... Nah, that's way too circuitous.
But the issue actually is quite simple.
Alec Baldwin wanted to make a movie.
He's a very hot-headed guy.
He's hit people before.
He screams at his daughter.
We know he's got a temper.
He had a motive.
He was fighting with the staff.
There were problems on set.
They were threatening to, like, walk off.
I think I could be wrong.
I spent a long time trying to cover this.
And he ends up having a meeting with her at dinner.
Apparently, in an interview, he was discussing how she kept frustrating him by telling him what to do, despite the fact she's not the director.
So he's angry with her.
She's causing him problems.
He's a hothead.
This is a pattern of behavior he's had in the past.
Violent outbursts.
He has the means to kill her.
He has the opportunity to do so.
He was found with the bullets.
And he lied about pulling the trigger.
So I mean like...
I kind of feel like you line up all those circumstances and the lightest you can get with it is a conspiracy to commit murder.
But he was handed the gun.
Someone else brought the bullets, handed him the bullets, put the bullets in his gun belt.
Okay, he was framed.
Somebody wanted her dead and framed him.
There's a murder.
ian crossland
Somebody wanted Alec to kill somebody so that he would go to jail.
That's what I'm getting out of this.
tim pool
Alec Baldwin's been doing action movies for decades.
And this is the thing about murder.
We talked about this.
When the story first broke, here's a guy who's been on set for decades handling weapons.
And in this one instance, I like, you know, I don't buy it.
Look, I'll put it this way.
A guy is in the street, and he gets into a fight, and he defends himself, and ends up killing one of the guys.
We say it's self-defense.
He didn't know it was gonna happen.
Let's say it's mutual combat.
There actually is, in law, if you are a trained fighter, you can get aggravated modifications to your charges because you know what you're doing can cause this harm.
So in the instance that Alec Baldwin's a moron who has no idea what's going on and fires a gun and goes, whoopsie daisy!
Sure.
But then you also have to mention to the jury and to the people, you expect me or a reasonable person to believe that a man who's been working in films and action movies with guns for decades Did not know about these issues.
Okay, then we're dealing with negligent homicide.
It's murder because of gross negligence on the part of Alec Baldwin, not involuntary manslaughter.
Which, I don't know what the laws are in New Mexico, if they actually have those... if they actually have that codified in their statutes.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm looking where Phil's at right now.
I think you make a lot of sense.
They charge with what they think they can get, and it's pretty obvious that he was resultant in her death, meaning it was an involuntary manslaughter at minimum.
I wonder what they're going to do with the armor.
Did they charge the armorer and the assistant director for handing him the weapon?
unidentified
They did.
ian crossland
They charged the armorer?
tim pool
So, I mean, it's wild to me that the precedent being set here is actually like, you can get away with murder on a movie set.
But I'll be completely fair.
I don't think most people realize this.
The majority of premeditated murder is never solved.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Never.
Man, like, I gotta tell you.
Anybody who's ever actually had to deal with police and, like, serious crimes understands.
Ain't no solving any of this.
Your car gets stolen?
Sorry, have a nice day.
Your car's gone.
Chop shop gone, product's gone, seal number's all gone.
There's no, there's no searching for it.
The cops are gonna be like, well write it down and have a good day.
Your car's, that's it, it's over.
The likelihood they find your car, not gonna happen.
ian crossland
Are these AirPods useful for that kind of thing?
People are AirPodding their stuff?
tim pool
AirTags.
ian crossland
AirTags.
Tracking their materials?
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, but they are useful.
I mean, you can, you can find it.
tim pool
Criminals use AirTags to track you!
That's wild.
phil labonte
But do you, I mean, are you going to go there to wherever the car is?
You don't know where the car is.
ian crossland
Yeah, I wouldn't want to.
phil labonte
You know, it's like, I'd be like, oh shit.
alex alx lorusso
The other thing too is it tells you that AirPods are moving, or AirTags are moving with you if it's not yours.
tim pool
So one thing that criminals do is they'll put a tag on your car.
They'll be out in the city.
There will be a car that's really, really nice.
They'll stick an air tag on it.
And then they can see, you know, let's say you're at a really high-end restaurant or a casino.
And you're driving a super high-end car of some sort, something like, you know, $80,000, $100,000 car.
They're going to tag your car, wait for you to go home, and they're going to know where you live.
ian crossland
I had, um, when I went to San Francisco the first time, I parked my car, was going to look at an apartment to rent, I left my backpack in the back seat, I was gone in for 15 minutes, I came out, my window was shattered, backpack was gone, called the cops, and I was like, hey, they stole my, it's a laptop, so there's probably some tracking, and I had this like, hope for a week that maybe it would turn up.
Yo, that shit's gone.
alex alx lorusso
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
Theft is life.
tim pool
There's no finding it.
No, not at all.
phil labonte
Nothing you do about it.
ian crossland
I got bricked and wiped immediately.
phil labonte
It's not just theft.
tim pool
I had a... This is not even a theft.
I had a phone lost while I was out with my friends.
Someone took it and kept it.
I used Find My Phone and went to the house where it was, and I called the police.
At first, I knocked on the door.
Nobody answered.
And so I'm sitting there waiting, being like, dude, I can't leave my phone.
And I know it's here because I'm looking at, like, I have two phones, an iPhone and Android.
And one I use as a camera and one I used as, like, my actual personal device.
So I called the police.
And I was like, yeah, hi, I, you know, uh, need some help.
I lost my phone somehow.
I don't know if it was stolen or if it was dropped or what happened, but it looks like someone recovered it, brought it to their house.
I used Find My Phone.
I'm here.
And they were like, sir, do not try to get your phone back.
And I was like, no, no, no, I'm in Williamsburg.
I'm not in a dangerous place.
I'm in like a upscale hipster place.
And they were like, sir, you need to leave right now.
And then I was like, okay, my phone is quite literally five feet from me, can you please come and help me get it back?
And they said no, and if I tried, I would be arrested.
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, trespassing, and they're like, do not... What cop wants to be like, in New York, I'm gonna go and get into a hot conflict over a phone?
ian crossland
Oh yeah, that shit.
tim pool
They're gonna be like, nah, dude, your phone's gone.
I'm not gonna potentially get into a shootout with some, you know, gangbanger over your phone.
Go buy a new one.
Get insurance next time.
And then I'm just like, it's right there!
I'm like, the other side of this door is my phone.
And I can't get it back.
And no one will answer, and they would not.
And so I waited, like, eight hours or whatever.
Nobody came out.
Phone was just there.
And then I just was like, screw it.
ian crossland
I left.
alex alx lorusso
It's nuts.
tim pool
Yeah, that was a long time ago.
Brutal.
I wonder what happened to that phone.
Probably got sold.
Smashed or something.
I mean, they couldn't open it.
Now I have, uh, they have these security apps you can get.
So I have this on my phones where if someone tries to open it and fails, it takes a picture of your face.
And then it uploads it to the internet.
ian crossland
That's pretty cool.
phil labonte
Emails it to you.
tim pool
Uh, well, that is one option.
It can do a bunch of things.
It can post it right to your Twitter.
alex alx lorusso
That'd be awesome.
This dude stole my phone.
tim pool
But the problem with that is if you, like, let's say you're, like, getting out of the shower.
ian crossland
Oh, you're messing around, yeah.
tim pool
And you're, like, fingers are pruning, you touch it, it takes a picture of your face and tweets it out, and you're like, you know, just out of the shower or something.
phil labonte
That'd be bad.
tim pool
But anyway, yeah, so Alec Baldwin killed that lady.
unidentified
That's pretty undisputed.
phil labonte
It's clearly undisputed, but like I said, there's definitely enough to put him on trial for at least manslaughter, but if they don't believe they can prove that you did the crime beyond a shadow of a doubt, there's so much politics involved in what a DA decides to prosecute and what they don't.
It is bad for their career if they accuse people of stuff and then they don't convict.
So you get a good DA has like a 99% conviction rate.
So they don't go after people unless they're sure they can, you know, nail them.
tim pool
You guys, someone made a good point.
They posted about this.
Rukav said that a YouTuber shot her boyfriend and killed him.
She was not trying to kill him.
They were trying to do a stunt where he would hold up like a couple books and then she would shoot the books and he would catch the bullet in the books or something like this.
Except the bullet went through the books and he died.
She's in prison.
I guess.
unidentified
Ooh.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
What?
tim pool
Or no, she must be out of prison by now.
She went to prison, though.
phil labonte
Dad, I'm not 100% sure that she should go to prison for that, because he was an active participant.
tim pool
That's the argument with Alec Baldwin.
ian crossland
Oh, interesting.
phil labonte
She wasn't an active participant in getting shot.
She wasn't supposed to actually shoot.
tim pool
Helena Hutchins was telling him to point the gun.
That's the argument he's making.
ian crossland
Point it towards me.
tim pool
She's filming, she's like, I want you to do these things.
phil labonte
Oh, point it at me and shoot?
alex alx lorusso
It wasn't in the script to pull the trigger.
tim pool
Right, I don't believe it.
I don't believe it for a second.
I think Al Baldwin killed that lady.
ian crossland
What was the double jeopardy you said with the Baldwin case that he couldn't be tried again?
Was he charged before?
phil labonte
I thought so.
alex alx lorusso
I think they were bringing charges then dropped them.
ian crossland
What were the charges they dropped?
tim pool
I think it was, let me look it up.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
I think it was the same thing.
The rust shooting incident.
So, uh, let's see.
Background, uh, union disputes and safety concerns.
Look at this!
Like, the boss is fighting with the staff, has a meeting with them, and he's complaining about...
Takes, then shoots and kills her.
But it was a movie, so that's fine.
phil labonte
Dude, I don't buy it, man.
tim pool
They were actually complaining about safety.
Like, dude, the pieces lined up so perfectly for this, to argue it was a coincidence is just nonsense to me.
She is complaining to him about the safety of all these guns.
Well, that proves it.
It was an accident.
phil labonte
See?
tim pool
She was complaining about safety, and then she died.
ian crossland
I will not consider that an accident.
Someone intentionally seeded bullets into his gun so that he would shoot and kill somebody.
phil labonte
Ian!
tim pool
He had the bullets on him!
They searched him, and they were like, Alec has the bullets!
phil labonte
I mean, were they the actual, were they the same bullets that go in the gun?
tim pool
Yes!
Alec Baldwin had the bullets!
Let me pull this up.
phil labonte
I don't know, man.
Like I said, I mean, there's not really, like, I don't feel like there's a problem establishing motive or establishing opportunity or ability.
ian crossland
For the record, it was an involuntary manslaughter charge dropped in April of 2023.
And then Helena Hutchins also was charged with involuntary manslaughter.
alex alx lorusso
They cited reasons for dropping it was that they needed more time to investigate.
ian crossland
So they have new evidence?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
Which is an interesting reason to drop the charges.
ian crossland
So, I didn't know you could charge somebody and then drop the charges and then recharge them the same thing.
Maybe it's because he wasn't found not guilty.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, it wasn't brought to trial.
phil labonte
Yeah, you have to go through trial to be actually tried, not a...
ian crossland
Dude, I feel like if they open the can of worms on this and all the cast and crew, a lot of them are going to get, would get popped for like firing live rounds on set at the very least, which you're not supposed to do.
A lot of people will get blacklisted from the industry.
And I don't know that necessarily they were committing crimes by doing that, but they were definitely violating policy, company policy.
There was not supposed to be any live ammunition on set.
alex alx lorusso
Well, like with that too, I don't think they'll go after them because there's not like, you know, unless they recorded themselves doing it, like evidence of them doing it, but obviously with the murder or, you know, just death of her, there's the evidence that it happened, so.
ian crossland
And then the shooting of the director, who took one in the shoulder.
phil labonte
That was the same bullet though, wasn't it?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, it went through Paulina Hutchinson.
unidentified
Hit him.
I don't think there's any charges for that.
What?
ian crossland
I don't think there's any charges for that, for him hitting that guy.
phil labonte
I mean, why wouldn't they?
Reckless endangerment, you know, or I mean, they could get him on some kind of battery charge or something like that.
Cause they actually, actually did.
He did injure him.
And if they're going to charge him for killing the woman, why wouldn't they charge him for shooting the other guy?
alex alx lorusso
Makes sense.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Is he, is he, what are all, what are his, all of his charges?
tim pool
I don't know, it's hard to find this stuff, though, because they've rewritten so many articles about it.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, it is annoying.
tim pool
But the big news, so, like, five live rounds were found, and I think a handful of them were in his gun belt, so I'm trying to find that specific citation.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
But it's mostly been removed from...
phil labonte
Yeah, he has criminal culpability in the death of Helena Hutchins and the shooting of Joel Sousa.
So yeah, they're going to charge him for shooting the dude too.
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
This is the first I've heard that he had the bullets on his belt as well.
tim pool
No, we talked about it like 15 times, bro.
It's just been so long.
ian crossland
Yeah, maybe it's been a while.
We've got to present the evidence.
tim pool
Yeah, because it was in the original investigation, and when that happened, it was like, boom, there it is.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Alec Baldwin had live rounds on his person.
I think that makes it open and shut.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I... I think I might have found it in the Vanity Fair article.
alex alx lorusso
But they had, he had the... Two loose .45 bullets were discovered on top of a prop cart.
A third was in the bandolier worn by actor Jason Ackles, and a fourth was in the gun belt worn by Baldwin.
A fifth was found in the box of dummy ammunition with Gutierrez.
tim pool
So he had a live round in his gun belt.
Live round.
We'll clarify for the show, but he had the live ammunition The same kind of bullet used for the gun was on his person.
ian crossland
I think that it was in another actor's bandolier kind of indicates that he didn't, like, if he did do it on purpose and he was the one that, if he was intending it, then that would have been like a red herring.
I just don't think it was.
tim pool
I just think it's so dang crazy, but there is the reality of Innocent Until Proven Guilty that if Alec Baldwin really wanted to kill this woman, takes a handful of bullets, mixes them into a box, puts a couple in his gun belt, loads the gun, kills her, and then goes, but look, there's other bullets over here too!
Like, it must have been somebody else!
Like, crazy!
Alec Baldwin pointed the gun, pulled the trigger, and then lied and said he didn't pull the trigger.
And investigators found he lied.
The gun does not operate unless you- It's, uh, what is it, a single action?
Meaning you have to cock the hammer and pull the trigger.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
There's- He lied about it.
I think there's a strong possibility, I think it's reasonable to assume, the woman he was fighting with, over issues on set, he killed.
He's a hothead.
It's a pattern of behavior.
He had the means and the motive to do it.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, punch the guy over the parking spot.
tim pool
But think about this, think about this.
Let's imagine that Alec Baldwin really wanted to kill this lady.
Yeah, punch the guy calling his daughter a fat pig or whatever he did.
He's got a temper.
But imagine this, imagine he really wanted, imagine a scenario where a guy says
he wants to commit a murder, so he goes onto a movie set where he knows that,
or I mean in this instance, they're on a movie set, they're having problems.
Alec Baldwin decided he could get away with murder in this hypothetical situation.
All he had to do was take a couple of the extra bullets and mix them into a box.
And now all of a sudden, everyone's like, it must have been an accident.
You know, where'd the bolts come from?
Why did he pull the trigger and then lie about it?
The only thing... This is all that matters.
He pulled the trigger, killing her, and then lied and claimed he didn't.
Do you also remember what he said about after he shot her?
He walked out and wasn't even attempting to help her or anything.
For like 45 minutes.
In an interview he's like, I didn't even know she was shot.
Like what?
You pointed a gun at a woman, pulled the trigger, she flies back screaming, everyone runs over like she's dying, and you walk out of the room totally oblivious?
phil labonte
How do you not know that she's shot?
tim pool
I can't believe you said that.
I think Alec Baldwin intentionally killed her, And did not know how to explain his behavior, which was erratic and made no sense.
So, after he kills her, feeling justified and satisfied with having done the deed, he gets up and walks out, doesn't render aid, is not shocked or surprised at what happened because he did it.
Now, Alec Baldwin kills a woman intentionally, right?
Is he gonna go, oh jeez, oh no, how did I, I just pointed a gun and pulled the trigger and she died, I can't believe that happened.
If he wanted her dead, he would know that she was going to die, he would not react with shock at her dying, he would get up and be like, yep, and he'd walk out of the room.
And then he's like, oh, it was only 45 minutes later, I realized that she was actually shot.
What do you mean?
You pointed a gun at her and pulled the trigger, it went bang, she falls backwards, two people got hit, and everyone's screaming!
I don't buy it for a second, dude.
unidentified
And then he has the bullet on him!
I'm sorry, man.
phil labonte
I didn't know that she was shot.
You shot two people and you didn't know.
unidentified
Let's talk about Joe Biden's son.
tim pool
He's lying about everything.
I'm sorry.
We got half an hour talking about it.
He wanted to do it.
Anyway, here's another story.
It's Friday.
Another story.
Biden to forgive another $5 billion in student debt for 74,000 borrowers just a week after announcing separate plan.
Are you effective?
Affected.
Yo, Joe Biden is pouring gasoline on this country and lighting it on fire.
phil labonte
He's literally, he's just trying to purchase votes.
ian crossland
This student loan stuff drives me nuts.
I actually got my loans forgiven.
It had been 25 years and I hadn't missed a payment, which I think is why.
So they targeted me first, but now it's just total extraction of wealth.
I don't know where that five billion is.
If they told Fannie Mae or whoever these loan companies are, you're not getting your money back, that's a different story.
But if they're printing five billion to hand it to these private loan corporations, And they're just forcing you to pay back your loans early with... That's ridiculous because it's costing us all money.
unidentified
It's costing us all inflation.
ian crossland
It's devaluing all of our currency by printing money.
tim pool
You know, as we watch Sports Illustrated crumble and Bud Light may be on the verge of collapse, Joe Biden is just throwing money in the air while screaming yeehaw.
Part of me thinks like we're gonna have to start rebuilding like we're building the parallel economy We better crank that thing up man because we're gonna need institutions of our own to help so that we survive Yeah, and like for someone like Biden, too, it's like you make the argument that this isn't sustainable, you can't keep doing this.
alex alx lorusso
It's like, why does he care?
He's not going to be around.
And, you know, to the point about like purchasing votes, like, I mean, didn't he already tried something like this also, and then it like got struck down or whatever, like?
These people are going to turn on him, too, because he's going to over-promise again.
I just don't think it's going to work, but even this plan right there, if it does, it's not going to be sustainable.
You need people that are willing to say, I don't want the free money.
Yeah.
tim pool
That's just not gonna happen, because the Titanic has hit the iceberg, and everybody's trying to steal as much as they can before the ship sinks.
ian crossland
Did you hear the theory that the Titanic got hit by a U-boat?
Got sunk?
unidentified
Okay, anyway, so, uh... I wanna talk about that!
tim pool
The issue that we're dealing with is that all of the people, a large portion of the people in this country are just like, let me extract from the system whatever I can, as it's sinking, and Joe Biden is just making it rain, and he's like, spend it while you can, baby!
ian crossland
How do we instantiate honor in the species, to be like, stop giving me this money, I don't want it!
phil labonte
Well, I mean, you can't do that to, like, kids that already are, like, you know, have already got the debt.
You're not going to get kids that have signed on to what they assumed was the, you know, the deal.
If I go to school and I study and I get a good, you know, get good grades, I'll get out and I'll get a good job.
There will be a job for me.
That's not the way that things are panning out.
And there's not a lot of great answers for those kids.
Um, if they spent a lot of money on a degree that doesn't, you know, doesn't have a job to go with it or there's no, you know, no market for that job, they're kind of effed.
tim pool
We had someone call into the Members Only show and said that their significant other was a trooper in Texas.
And that they've begun discussing fears of civil war because the Biden administration may start arresting Texas law enforcement.
We have not confirmed any of this.
And so just the general idea is difficult to bring up because someone's saying it.
We reached out and they're like, no, we don't want to talk about this.
We're done.
And maybe it's nothing.
Maybe it's fake news.
Maybe someone was lying to us to try and sensationalize what's going on.
But the reason why it would make sense in either direction is that Texas has begun arresting illegal immigrants, and we have what is quite literally a Fort Sumter circumstance, where the federal government is saying, this is our jurisdiction, and a state has deployed armed soldiers to push them out and say, no it's not, it's ours now.
With Fort Sumter, you have the Union forces at Fort Sumter and the South Carolina being like, hey, get out.
It's ours now.
And the Union's saying no.
Now you have federal law enforcement on the border saying the border is our authority and Texas National Guard deployed armed soldiers to push them out, take control of the area and begin arresting illegal immigrants.
Sooner or later, this reaches ahead in some way.
Either it's going to be the federal government just gives up, and then other states recognize the federal authority is gone and eroded, or the federal government responds with force.
Or something like that happens.
I bring it up in this context because I'm like, everything I see Joe Biden do, and the Democratic establishment, I don't see any long-term planning.
I see them basically just setting fire to the curtains before they leave.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't see the long-term planning.
It does feel like all, like, just kind of, let's do right now what's good for now.
tim pool
No!
They're like, okay, we're getting kicked out, light it up.
I knew a guy once who got evicted from his apartment, so he took Hershey's syrup and he squirted it into the cracks of every nook of the building.
Yeah, bad guy.
And he was like, this'll teach him, and I'm like, I think you already taught him by not paying rent.
But this is the idea, like, the Democrats, they're getting evicted, so they're like, set fire to the whole thing.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, you know, the Thucydides trap stuff comes to mind because the United States has a strong economic power with a strong military, you know, facing an up-and-coming China means, you know, conflict and the idea that the United States needs to be weaker, you know, or a managed decline.
That's not something that's so far-fetched or something that hasn't been discussed.
Like, Barack Obama essentially said this, you know, said that the United States Was going to manage being not the only suit, not the superpower, just be another country among many.
And that takes a certain amount of, you know, of management to get to the point where the U.S.
economy is not the dominant economy.
ian crossland
And also some level of acquiescence, because like half the country, and I don't know the exact numbers, is like, screw that.
No, we're maintaining hegemon.
We are going to be America first, the greatest country on Earth.
Try and take it, please, because you're not going to get it.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, yeah, there are people and the thing is, yes, but a big part of the problem is this hasn't been proposed to the American people.
There's no there was no like vote about this or, you know, or, you know, Any kind of inquiry into, hey, America, do you want to start passing laws or signing on to treaties that actually kind of weaken the United States power, you know, over or its own sovereignty, you know, that that we're we're, you know, you know, listening to foreign powers like, you know, NGOs and stuff or whatever, like,
Do we want the United States to sign on to those things?
And a lot of times the American people don't pay attention.
And so because the politicians that do sign on, or that actually are the ones that are like, yes, we should plan this kind of stuff, because that stuff happens quietly, your average person doesn't know, so they get reelected.
ian crossland
And also, like, if they had been like, yo, we're going to reduce the American hegemonic power, we want to get rid of these American military bases, and we're going to co-parent the Earth with the Chinese Communist Party, with the Russians, and with the corporations.
I'd be open to that if you give me a plan, because I don't like American military police necessarily on its face.
It's caused a lot of panic, pain, and suffering, probably unnecessarily.
But you better give me a way that that's going to be better than the stability we've had over the last 70 years.
tim pool
They're already making the play that I predicted.
A couple weeks ago, Trump had received support from a mere 56,000 caucus-goers, amounting to some 7% of registered Republicans in the state and just 3% of overall registered voters in Iowa.
They're already pushing the narrative that Donald Trump is winning in the absolute minority, and they will use that to justify barring him from power.
So, my prediction was, they're going to remove him from the ballot in a bunch of states, if they do, Trump will win the Electoral College, but the You know, if California removes Trump, he loses 10 million Republican votes.
He was never going to win the electoral votes in that state anyway.
But now, he's going to win the general election with 40 million to Biden's 70, and they're going to say, this can't be.
All the left is going to say, wow, no one should be president with that little vote.
This makes no sense.
That will be their, in essence, Cass's belly for why they're okay with the use of force to stop Trump from taking the presidency, even after he won the election.
They'll say, one of the bad guys, Trump didn't actually win, the system is broken.
He only got, you know, 30%?
And they're gonna be like, he's not the real president.
That's what they did in Egypt.
alex alx lorusso
They already want to abolish the Electoral College.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
And you're going to have Democrats coming out and being like, this country does not want Donald Trump.
The majority of people voted against him.
We should not allow him to just use a technicality to take power and turn this country into a fascist dictatorship.
They are already making the argument.
In Iowa, 7% of the voters voted for Trump and he won.
That is not the will of the people.
They're making an argument on quote-unquote democracy.
ian crossland
Is that a real number?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
I thought that he pulled, what, 70% of the caucus itself, but that was only 7%?
tim pool
Record low voter turnout for the caucus.
ian crossland
It was cold, too.
tim pool
That day was bad.
And Trump got around 7% of the registered Republicans.
Wow.
unidentified
7%.
tim pool
But this is how elections happen.
What's the argument?
The Democrats, the Republicans who don't show up should have a say?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You don't show up, you didn't vote.
Abstain.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Your vote was abstain.
phil labonte
Well, not showing up isn't a problem for Democrats.
They mail you a ballot.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, and, and honestly, that isn't, that is worth mentioning if, if, you know, people are going to say things like, Oh, well, you know, showing up, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, well, you know, maybe they should show up if their vote's going to count.
Right.
alex alx lorusso
Biden was saying it meant nothing or whatever.
Iowa means nothing, but like he finished fourth in Iowa in 2020.
And then, uh, yeah, I know.
And then also like he got like, You know, I think it was like 20, 20,000 or something votes.
And it's, you know, and he's the president.
tim pool
So I don't think there's going to be a Super Tuesday.
And this is this is rough for us because we're trying to plan this event.
We want to do a big like live show in West Virginia.
But I'm just like, man, we're going to spend all this money setting up this live show and like making tickets and it's going to be left.
Yeah, well, yeah, right.
No, Nikki Haley and DeSantis will drop out.
We thought we thought Ron was going to drop out today.
Because he announced a press conference or something.
Politico announced he was having a press conference and he never showed up.
Or he didn't show up for like half an hour.
I don't know what happened.
Did he ever show up?
unidentified
I don't know.
alex alx lorusso
I didn't even see.
Yeah.
tim pool
Vermin Supreme?
alex alx lorusso
I tried looking for him and Vermin Supreme kept popping up.
ian crossland
He said he's champion?
DeSantis sent his champion instead.
tim pool
Well, it was funny because Laura Loomer was like, why is this man who posed naked with Mickey Mouse gloves appearing at a Ron DeSantis event?
And it's like, it's a good question, but I don't blame Ron for Vermin Supreme crashing the party.
alex alx lorusso
But either way, if he was invited or not, that just speaks to the state of his campaign right now.
tim pool
It speaks to the state of his campaign that when Laura Loomer went to a DeSantis event, she got thrown out.
And when Vermin Supreme shows up and jumps up on stage, he just does his thing.
I don't think... I think the likelihood is he wasn't invited, he did his thing.
Actually, there's... Let's pull up the video.
We have a... No, that's not the video.
Where's the video at?
Here we go.
We have this tweet from... ALX on Twitter.
unidentified
and uh... also that so here's he's up there for a long time
alex alx lorusso
but i think that's insane Like, if he's, like, technically a protester and he's allowed to be up on stage, like, that... No, no way.
tim pool
No way.
Where's security?
This is a DeSantis event?
Yeah.
For sure confirmed?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
B.S.
DeSantis is running for... He's going for the presidential nomination.
Where's security?
There's no way this was an accident.
They let Vermin Supreme do this.
Hands down.
If the argument is they didn't know he was gonna do it, they let him do it when he jumped up on stage.
alex alx lorusso
That's so nuts.
tim pool
Laurel Loomer was standing in a room and they're like, get her!
There's a video of a guy in a wheelchair saying nothing and they walk up like, time to go, sir.
And you mean to tell me that Vermin Supreme was able to jump up on the stage and start saying, when I say zombie, you say free or whatever and everyone's just cheering for it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Ron DeSantis, let this happen.
Now, I got no issue with Vermin.
I like that he mocks the system.
So, you know, no beef.
I question why he got naked with Mickey Mouse gloves.
I find it to be very strange.
phil labonte
I'm just happy that he's not around the Libertarians anymore.
tim pool
Vermin is... I think he's an anarchist.
I don't know that he's like a far leftist.
I think he's just like a core anarchist with like no real strong...
phil labonte
All of his schtick is about some kind of government program, and he jumped into the libertarian... You know, but like, outside of his actual character, if you talk to him, I know him decently well.
tim pool
I don't hang out with him or anything, but like, I've had dinner with him, and talked to him, and his thing is basically like...
The system is corrupt.
These politicians are all corrupt.
We're going to mock them ruthlessly.
And he's very anarcho, like, stripped the government of its power.
phil labonte
He's pretty woke.
When the Mises guys... Well, he probably went woke.
Yeah, when the Mises guys kind of came in and took over the Libertarian Party, he is when he left because he was friendly with the kind of woke left-leaning Libertarians that were in positions of power.
tim pool
But this is what so many of these leftists do.
They, or I should say liberals, the moment they saw Actually, I'll put it this way.
They were never liberals.
They were never real anarchists or libertarians.
They were always authoritarian, collectivist crackpots.
They publicly claimed that they were anarchist because that was the popular thing to say.
I want the government to not have power over your life.
And then once they started attacking people and gaining power, they were like, no, we were always for that.
So he's the kind of guy who, it would seem, just marches in lockstep with the far left.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think, personally, I think that he's just, like, he'll go wherever he's allowed to be in libertarianism.
tim pool
Why was he allowed to be at a DeSantis event?
phil labonte
I don't know.
alex alx lorusso
I found the answer to your question, by the way, about the press conference, because I saw the original post that says Ron DeSantis is about to hold a press conference outside and he's late and letting the reporters in the cold.
He said that he'll be back in New Hampshire on Sunday.
He wouldn't answer any questions about whether he'll be in the state on Monday or Tuesday on primary day.
That's literally it.
tim pool
So he came to a press conference and said, I'll be back, see you later, and that was it?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I need to understand how it is that Vermin was able to go up on stage without security doing anything about it.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
So nuts.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
We've seen the videos.
Matt Kim posted a video where he was like, I was just thrown out for no reason.
They wouldn't even let him go to the neighboring building to have dinner.
phil labonte
I mean everyone you know that there's a lot of personal garbage that's going on with this stuff it's it's really catty you know who's who's saying nice things about me or mean things about me on Twitter is is a big a big thing for especially at least you know it seemed like it was for the DeSantis campaign if if If you interacted with them and were not favorable towards DeSantis, they weren't looking to convince you that you should be favorable towards DeSantis.
They were looking to convince you that you were a bad person.
ian crossland
It's real disappointing because that's like people making fun of the DeSantis campaign is like trying to light a spark underneath the campaign to give it some combustive momentum.
No, that burns!
tim pool
Stop!
ian crossland
Get that spark out of here.
It's too hot.
tim pool
I'm really happy that Ron's losing.
Well, I am because it's like at a certain point when you were like, hey, I'm a big fan.
I like this guy Why don't you stop doing this bad thing?
And then they're like we're gonna keep doing bad thing and I'm like, okay and they respond with and you know What fuck you?
alex alx lorusso
See you later guy I had somebody like complaining that I didn't cover Kim Reynolds endorsement like months ago I'm like, okay, it wasn't like really surprising and then also on the other hand like I You know, it was a bigger deal that week that, you know, Rick Scott endorsed Trump over DeSantis, the sitting, you know, senator of a state and former governor.
And, like, they didn't make a huge deal about that.
tim pool
And then, you know... The personality traits of the woke are the same as the never-Trumpers.
Yeah.
It's the same.
Irrational, anger, emotional, I should win, I should get what I want, principles be damned.
And so a lot of these Never Trumpers latched on to Ron DeSantis and they dragged him down to the depths of destruction and oblivion.
And he's gone.
And that's it.
He is a sad laughing stock.
I'm imagining someone being like, Ron, I'm telling you, high heels.
You're gonna win.
It's gonna pull really well.
phil labonte
I mean, it, uh, it sucks that his, his, um, you know, the, the people that were speaking for his campaign weren't, uh, weren't a little more proactive in trying to convince people and be a little more friendly.
But at the same time, like Ron was, you know, it's like talking to a two by four.
Yeah.
alex alx lorusso
Those, those videos with like the painful smiles and like the robotic movements are just like, they're too, they're too much.
ian crossland
He's an athlete.
We needed more of him in action, like physical action.
tim pool
You need a leader.
And leaders have to be good at a lot of things.
So when we're looking at fighting, Sean Strickland is a leader.
We're big fans.
He's saying some great stuff.
He's defending the little guy and we really respect it.
He's a good dude.
He's a wild guy.
And he's good at what he does.
Should he be president?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Because while he may be the champ when it comes to his weight division and his fighting, when you're a leader, you need a bunch of different characteristics.
So, Ron DeSantis, let's say there's ten categories that would make you a good president.
Ron maybe has two of them, very high marks, and the rest are all in the gutter.
So he was not the right choice for this.
But I am glad he ran.
Because it would be a disaster for all of us.
If he didn't, he endorsed Donald Trump.
Trump said, we're going to bring him into the fold.
We're big.
Everyone loves Ron.
And then come 2027, Ron's running.
And we're like, what have we done?
Our backbench is garbage.
We're in trouble.
We got nobody.
alex alx lorusso
That's true.
ian crossland
People do credit the Florida legislature with a lot of what happened in Florida during the COVID lockdowns is keeping that state open was in part the legislature and Ron took a lot of the credit for it.
tim pool
I don't know who's going to be the VP, man.
ian crossland
It's got to be Vivek.
tim pool
Yeah, but even Vivek is not VP.
ian crossland
I mean, I think for success it's got to be Vivek because he's grooming the next president.
alex alx lorusso
They have like the most, you know, the most chemistry that we've seen on stage.
I mean, there hasn't been a whole lot of, you know, Trump on stage with a lot of people and especially former candidates.
tim pool
Gabbard maybe?
phil labonte
I get that.
tim pool
Kelsey Gabbard maybe makes sense.
That's what I'm... I'm not talking... She would be great.
The idea that Vivek has to be VP because he's grooming the next president?
No, no, no, no.
That's not what matters.
What matters is, does the VP help get a new state?
Am I going to win a state with this person?
Am I going to win a demographic with this person?
And are they the kind of person that could fit in a role that is subsidiary and not very much in the limelight?
Vivek is a hot potato, man.
He's not going to fit in that role.
Chief of Staff, perhaps?
Something like that?
I don't even know if that's the right one.
He may not want to work in administration like that.
phil labonte
I would have preferred Vivek be the guy to Trump, but he was at 8% or whatever in Iowa.
He's 5% or something like that nationwide or lower.
in Iowa, he's like 5% or something like that nationwide or lower. Like I don't
see how he, how Trump benefits at all by picking for the...
ian crossland
He doesn't, the country, it's like kind of like Aaron Rodgers, like Favre, the Green Bay
Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers, he sat the bench for the first year as a
nobody. But they knew he was great and that he would be great so he, Brett Favre,
you know, just, just took, you know, they all took it for the team, it was about the
team and making the team the best it could be.
alex alx lorusso
The thing about him like being at like 8% is I think because he's aligned so much with Trump that like you know in the absence of Trump I think that number would be a lot higher whereas the other candidates that like they are their support is seen as you know opposing Trump.
So it would actually kind of be confusing to me to like have him at a higher number because since he's so aligned with Trump, I feel on a lot of things.
That's, you know, that's where that's coming from.
And he's like, actually, I think he has some good like suggestions on, you know, like banning the, you know, cryptocurrency, whatever that was.
And then also, you know, with the pardoning of Assange, that's another suggestion.
That, like, he has told Trump, I guess, so... You're banning the CBDC?
Yeah, CBDC, that's what it was.
And, you know, the day before he, like, talked to him about that, he announced that on the stage and made that part of his policy.
So I feel like someone, like, who could give him some more, you know, advice on things like that, that, you know, Trump might not know, and help craft policy on that type of stuff, would be more beneficial.
ian crossland
And Don Jr.
just had Vivek on his show, Triggered, on Rumble, two days ago.
I think it was two days ago, might have been yesterday.
It was great to see him together, but it was remote, and they were talking over each other just because of the digital delay, which was, you know, being in person.
I think, especially for Don Jr.
and Vivek, who are like high-powered speakers, having them try and get through it was, there were some rough moments.
But all in all, it looks like they're deep in communication with the guy.
I don't know if you need him to be VP to make him the next president.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
ian crossland
Cause he could just be a loud, like Timmy you were saying he's a loud mouth, in a good way.
He likes to speak and speak a lot.
tim pool
He's in order.
People are also chatting about, there's like a lot of videos of Ron eating.
alex alx lorusso
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Like a duck.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, it's like The Simpsons, where Frank Grimes is like, he eats like a pig.
He's like, eh, I'd say he eats more like a duck.
Pigs tend to chew.
And then it shows Homer, like, putting the donut in his mouth, and he's like... Just, like, sucking it down.
alex alx lorusso
It's painful.
It's like Kasich.
tim pool
People are posting a bunch of videos where Ron, like, will take a sandwich and just shove half the thing in his mouth.
But no, I don't say what the... I'm like, the dude's on the run.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, he's got to go, man.
I totally get it.
You hand me a cheeseburger, I'm gonna be like, I'm taking that thing down in two bites.
phil labonte
They do that stuff all the time.
tim pool
Granted, I'm not running for office.
phil labonte
They do this stuff all the time.
It's like whenever, like every, you know, cycle or whatever, whoever's running, like they get bad pictures of them eating or whatever, you know, like sticking the one down the throat.
alex alx lorusso
That's the Iowa State Fair trap.
Oh my gosh.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
You got to chew your food.
tim pool
The only reason I would ever really want to run for president is so that I could just go nuts on the whole system.
I would never actually want to run for president.
ian crossland
I don't want it all to be in politics, but if I feel like the country needs me or the world needs me, I feel like it's our duty as businessmen to go to that level next.
tim pool
If there was ever a point where I could actually get on the debate stage and have a double-digit polling, but not win, I'd go for it.
And then it would just be the funniest thing ever.
I would show up to the Iowa State Fair and I'd buy five corn dogs and just eat them all at once.
I would take five of them and just be like, all right, everybody get the photo.
God, just jam it into my face.
And be like, I take so little of this seriously, like have at it.
But the thing is too, like it might actually backfire and end up working because it generates so much press attention.
Like Trump's first term.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
tim pool
How he was just saying all this crazy stuff and then they were just like, run it!
And then he ended up winning, getting $5 billion worth of free marketing.
phil labonte
There is like the argument like there that Trump was just trying to like actually do things that would Derail his campaign.
That was a really compelling argument.
tim pool
Have you heard Michael Moore's argument?
Trump didn't want to be president.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
He was upset that he didn't get a better rate on The Apprentice and it was, um, what's-her-face.
They paid, they paid, uh...
Gwen Stefani or something?
He said, some woman got paid more than him.
He got mad and said, why aren't I getting more for The Apprentice?
It's the best show.
And they said, because you're not as big as this person.
So he's like, okay, I'm gonna run for president.
Not gonna spend any money doing it, but that's gonna raise my profile and get me a better contract deal.
And then he accidentally won.
And while I don't believe that for a second, because Trump was planning on running for years, because he registered MAGA and stuff four years in advance.
But it is apparently true that when he did win, he was surprised.
And he was like, in his campaign office on election night, he was like, I won?
unidentified
Watching that video of him like, I didn't think I was going to win.
alex alx lorusso
As the votes are coming in.
tim pool
He's like, oh man.
I mean, it's probably the reality there is that everyone said Hillary was going to win.
She had everything.
Trump was probably like, all right, well, you know, we shot our shot, right?
And then he won!
Oh, man.
Talk about good days.
Good days.
Can you believe I was almost 10 years ago?
Eight years ago?
alex alx lorusso
That is actually nuts.
Eight years ago!
I remember that night.
That was nuts.
tim pool
Oh, it was so much fun.
I'll never forget it.
You know, like 9-11, I will always remember exactly where I was and how it went down when Donald Trump won the presidency because it was one of the greatest nights of my life.
alex alx lorusso
Where were you?
ian crossland
What were you doing?
tim pool
I was hanging out with Cassandra McDonald at the Sputnik office where she had worked and we were hanging out in DC.
So I went up to the office and I was just sitting there with my feet up and I was like, cool, I'm not doing anything else.
And Cassandra was like the only person in the office who was pro-Trump.
All the other Sputnik people were Democrats.
And it was funny how snooty they were being and like smug.
And there was like an early report that the Trump campaign was planning to file, like launching a lawsuit against one of the states as the results were coming in.
And there was one guy was like, here he goes, like, this is what Trump's gonna do.
He's gonna lose.
But then we were watching the New York Times had that meter.
And it said, like, greater than 99% chance Hillary wins when it starts.
And then throughout the night, it started moving.
Then it got to 50%, and at that point, Cassandra's, like, tearing up.
And she's like, oh my god, I'm laughing my ass off.
And then it got all the way, like, started moving down.
The tears of all the people in the room as they're crying.
And then I'm just sitting there laughing a hearty laugh.
And I'm like, I didn't vote for the guy!
I just thought all of it was crack pottery.
And then he won, and I was like, good.
This is what you all deserve.
You have sat on your hands for so long and lied to the American people.
You voted for Barack Obama, and he blew up kids.
And now you have the nerve to come to me and say Hillary Clinton, who is Secretary of State, doing all this garbage, deserves to be president.
You earned this, man.
And I was just, I was loving it.
ian crossland
What a good day.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
ian crossland
I was very much into Bernie and it was devastating what the DNC did to that guy's campaign.
tim pool
Me too, me too.
I was a big Bernie fan and they did.
And so when it all came crashing down, another reason I was laughing is I'm like, y'all, y'all deserve it.
The DNC, listen man, people wanted Bernie.
He had a lot of grassroots support.
He should have won.
And when they ripped him off, people just got in line behind Hillary Clinton.
And the fact that it failed and blew up in their faces was so funny to me.
You deserve every moment of every ounce of pain, every smile Trump makes, every laugh he laughs.
You deserve every moment.
It was funny.
ian crossland
It was like a gut shot.
I don't know if you guys, do you remember the moment you found out when Trump won that election?
What were you doing?
alex alx lorusso
I was watching it live just like with my family.
Well, I kind of knew once I saw Florida, like that, that was it, you know, that was it.
tim pool
That was the, that was the moment that night where everyone went, wait a minute.
This went Trump, he's going to win.
I just remember that moment when the New York times needle went to the middle and said 50%.
unidentified
And then I was like, he's going to win, isn't he?
ian crossland
Where were you doing Phil?
phil labonte
I was just at my place in New Hampshire.
ian crossland
Was it like 3 in the morning or something when the results came in?
alex alx lorusso
When they actually called it, called it, or when he gave his victory speech.
But I think it was probably around midnight or something when it was like mathematically called on most networks.
ian crossland
What a shock!
tim pool
You could actually pinpoint the moment at which Hillary Clinton's heart was ripped out.
No, I'm kidding.
That's a Simpsons joke.
But she didn't give a speech, right?
She just disappeared, I think.
alex alx lorusso
No, she didn't give a speech.
Well, that's the thing.
So she didn't have a concession speech written is why she didn't give a speech.
phil labonte
Wow.
tim pool
She was probably hitting people, screaming, like, how did this happen?
phil labonte
I've heard she was drunk.
ian crossland
Oh, she was hammered?
phil labonte
I heard that she had had a couple drinks before, and then once it started to go really bad, the drinks started to go.
She never showed up to the venue at all.
She didn't show up to her venue.
She didn't do a concession speech that night.
I heard it was because she got drunk and was yelling at people.
ian crossland
Putin doesn't drink.
I don't know if that matters.
World leaders getting trashed makes me nervous.
tim pool
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ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, you can drink it before bed.
tim pool
Alright, let's grab some super chats, and YouTube's giving me the business for some reason, but I'll do my best.
Jerks.
Let's see, Josh-a-beam says, fourth!
In fact, sir, you were first.
But because you called it wrong, we're not gonna count it.
We're gonna give the first percent to Barely a Millennial.
No, I'm just kidding, you're first.
Barely a Millennial says, we had to put our American Eskimo dog, Nina, down today.
The best part of being a kid is not having to do the hard things.
unidentified
That sucks.
tim pool
Sorry to hear.
unidentified
You're here.
Rest in peace.
tim pool
Alright, Kane Abel says, Hey Tim, did you ever find out about that Texas Ranger vs. Fed thing?
Do we have any updates on that?
I wonder if that would be the new start of the next civil war.
History often rhymes.
The reason why I did bring it up, I didn't want to, I haven't tweeted about it or anything, is because if we can't verify who the person is, and if the husband's in law enforcement, can't get a statement on the record, we don't want to.
That being said, An individual called into a public show to thousands of people and said, this is a thing that is happening.
That much I think we will repeat.
And then I will clarify, we do not have any confirmation outside of this.
However, there are other individuals who are retired Texas troopers that probably have connections.
And it sounds rather reasonable that this is happening.
If you're working in law enforcement in Texas and you're being ordered to defy the federal government to their faces with guns, you may be concerned sooner or later a Fed's going to try to stop you.
We'll see.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Manipple says, second of all... Wait, was there a second of all?
Where will the new North Poles be?
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We put up clips on youtube.com slash TimCast, but we all redirect you over to our friends at Tenet Media.
It's a great little super group we got going on, and the show this morning was about a poll shift which may be occurring.
I don't know, I'm not a scientist, but the argument is That periodically throughout every 12,000 years or whatever, the poles shift.
This is a fact.
Here's a really interesting fact from the show.
Runways are being renamed because of the pole shift.
We name runways based off their position with the compass or whatever on the earth, but now that the poles are shifting, it's changing the names of these runways, because if you're flying, you're using your instruments to find runway with this name, if the name stayed the same, the compass would point in the wrong direction, and so it's like... But that's actually happening.
That's a fact.
You can find that on the US government website, where they're like, hey, the pole shift is happening rather rapidly.
And so the idea is that the Earth will tilt, and as it does, it wobbles, moves down, and then starts correcting.
The spin will stay the same, but the axis rotation, and I guess the argument is the poles are heavy right now, and so that'll cause it to wobble and then spin, but then correct itself and start spinning again, and I guess that would put Antarctica at the equator.
phil labonte
So it'll be the east and west pole?
tim pool
No, the poles will be north and south.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
But Antarctica will be on the equator, and that would put Florida on the south pole, I guess is the argument.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense that that would happen.
You know, I mean, I don't know about how fast it happens, and I don't know what would, you know... He said, he was saying like a week.
tim pool
Oh, that would probably be... Like a matter of a day or so.
It happens rapidly.
This means that you'll be in Florida and you'll be like, oh, sunset's at 730.
And then sunset happens and then the sun never comes up because the earth tilted and now you're in the Antarctic Circle.
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Awful.
tim pool
You're like, I'm cold now!
What's happening?
So one of the things he pointed out...
Is that we found woolly mammoths frozen with food still in their bellies, meaning they were flash frozen.
They were frozen nearly instantly.
And so he was pointing out like, or he was asking, what could cause a woolly mammoth to freeze so quickly that its food would be intact in its belly?
More the point.
Where did the food come from?
If the woolly mammoths were in this Arctic region or whatever, or, you know, minus 15, how were there vegetables around for it to eat?
What was it eating if its stomach is full of vegetation?
ian crossland
Yeah, the hypothesis is that it was in the equatorial area, and there was plenty of vegetation, and then that whole area flipped up north, and then that's where they were found.
tim pool
Right, and so, well, this is what he's arguing.
I'm not a scientist, I don't know, but he's arguing that they're basically at the equator eating veggies.
Within a day, the Earth flips, and all of a sudden, they're in the Arctic Circle.
All the plant life is dead, and it's minus 15 instantly, and they just freeze.
They freeze to death almost instantly.
Nowhere to go, nowhere to stay warm, and there's no food, and they're just frozen.
And that could happen now.
That's what he's arguing.
Watch the show.
ian crossland
It was such a good show.
phil labonte
Yeah, watch the show.
tim pool
Yeah, it was actually the largest live audience we've had on Tenet media.
phil labonte
Nice.
tim pool
Not for the Culture War, but for the Tenet YouTube channel.
ian crossland
Oh, nice.
A lot of comments are like, this is the best one ever.
I sometimes I'll see those comments on certain shows, but it's nice to see that comment over and over on that episode.
It was great.
Dude, Ben Davidson and Jimmy Corsetti, superstars.
tim pool
Wild show.
All right, Nicosia Connections says, Tim, please have Vinu Varghese on.
He's an attorney in New York City on the front lines.
His recent case is representing Dexter Taylor, who dared exercise the Second Amendment right in New York City, and 3D-printed firearms.
The culture war is on, even in New York City.
Great work to everyone at Timcast.
That would be a good guy to have on the Culture War show.
Culture War show is a better show for when we're doing one-on-one stories like that, and IRL is better when we're doing news commentary.
So there are a lot of people who will reach out and be like, I'd love to come on your show, and I'm like, we'll get someone who's a scientist and wants to come on Timcast IRL, but I'm like, we're not an interview podcast like Joe Rogan, we're a news commentary show, so we're looking for cultural and political junkies.
But that's why we decided to launch the Culture War Show, which you should subscribe to.
Alright, alright, let's grab some more superchats.
Jk says great culture war podcast earlier.
Thank you been watching both those guys as long as you you need to let all that expand Yeah, the fascinating thing about Ben He's not like He's not coming out and saying aliens and other crazy nonsense.
He was saying things like, well, one of the... I asked him, if the poles shifted and Antarctica is at the equator, will it melt?
And he says, not necessarily, because we have tropical glaciers right now that haven't melted and they've been there for thousands of years.
And I went, wait a minute, what?
I didn't know that.
Yes.
Tropical glaciers in like Indonesia, for instance, that are high altitude, they don't melt.
Exactly.
So they've been there for a very long time.
And I'm like, interesting.
So Antarctica could move to the equator.
There would be coastal melting, but the large ice formations may remain.
phil labonte
How high is the highest mountain in Antarctica, you know, or highest peak?
tim pool
I don't know.
serge du preez
I was gonna say there'd be a huge land grab if it suddenly just became that way.
I mean, a lot would change, but all of Antarctica would be land, no?
tim pool
Part of me thinks it would be the coolest thing ever if...
Antarctica was at the equator and just started melting and there's a new frontier.
serge du preez
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
But only if after the ice melted there was like an abandoned city.
serge du preez
Oh wow.
tim pool
And we were like when all this ice melted we found Atlantis.
alex alx lorusso
I was gonna say Atlantis.
ian crossland
The highest point of Antarctica is called Mount Vincent.
It's 16,000 feet high.
tim pool
Oh, that's not much.
phil labonte
That's not super high.
serge du preez
That's like Utah.
tim pool
Road Less Traveled says, if you're planning on going to the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee or just a fan of history, look up Road Less Traveled Wisconsin for information about the little white schoolhouse in Rippon, Wisconsin, the birthplace of the Republican Party.
Ah, very interesting.
Yeah, we are planning to be there for the RNC.
We've got some good plans coming.
Some good plans for the RNC.
All right, Greg Cutler says, Ian, I threw down $100 last year just to shout out Ben Davidson and the suspicious observers.
Glad to hear you got together.
I'll definitely watch it.
ian crossland
Dude, people keep telling me, you gotta get in touch with Ben, with Ben Davidson, you gotta get in touch with Ben Davidson, because I've been talking a lot about the Electric Universe Theory.
Dude, we were talking about that during these pole shifts and these geomagnetic phases that the moon can get pulled towards the Earth really fast and then pushed away, and the amount of like, Like, just torrential flooding, and like, because the moon sucks the waves, it'll like, make the waves get really tall when the moon's closer to the earth.
The catastrophe, the guy's just absolutely awesome.
I had no idea Suspicious Observers was as big as it is.
I've only been following him on Twitter, so it's really, really great to see.
tim pool
M says, if the New York Times paper was to finally collapse, would we be happy or celebrate its end?
Just says people are celebrating the end of Sports Illustrated.
phil labonte
I'm torn.
tim pool
Right.
But it's like, because it's been taken over by communists, we want it to be destroyed?
That's kind of a scary thought.
What if we took it over and made it run by, like, capitalists and pro-America people?
phil labonte
I like that.
Part of me likes the fact that the, you know, That the progressives have a place where they test out their ideas.
And that's kind of what I look at, like the Atlantic and New York Times.
Go to the op-eds.
Yeah, go to the op-eds and you can see all the terrible ideas the left has.
They're telegraphing all of them.
unidentified
Go ahead.
tim pool
No, no, finish.
phil labonte
Well, these ideas that they test in the opinion pages, these are what will eventually turn into policy.
You know, that's where the ideas come from.
tim pool
What if tomorrow, the front page of the New York Times was all American flag backdrop, and the articles were all about the history of communism and why communism is bad?
phil labonte
I would subscribe.
ian crossland
That'd be great.
phil labonte
I would subscribe for a year, and I would deal with whatever they wanted to put out after that, I would deal with it.
unidentified
Yeah, true.
tim pool
They should do it.
ian crossland
You hear that, New York Times?
phil labonte
They'll never do it.
They were redwashing the Soviet Union while Stalin was killing people.
Yeah, true.
serge du preez
They're sympathetic.
phil labonte
The whole progressive project, the whole first half of the last century, people were lying for the Soviet Union because all the intelligentsia, all the academics thought that socialism was the future.
They thought it was a great idea and they all wanted the Soviet Union to actually work out and so they're all just lying for them.
The New York Times, they had horrible people that were just covering for Stalin.
It's awful.
tim pool
J.W.
Dickinson says, I hope this is seen, you need to make a K-cup coffee pod sampler so people don't have to buy a full pack to find out if they like or hate it.
Good point.
ian crossland
That's a great idea.
tim pool
Here's a funny one.
TheRealHydroPX says, you said this yesterday.
Are you an NPC?
Tim, do you just say things to look cool and be right or your insecurity?
Hydro, what you need to understand is as one of our biggest fans who watches every single episode.
serge du preez
Yeah, literally.
tim pool
We know that the average person watches three episodes per month.
That's the average person.
And so that means somewhere around 60% of the individuals who watch TimCast IRL Don't hear and don't watch consecutive episodes.
So if I'm going to be talking about a subject and I ignore the core point of the subject, assuming someone's heard it, the chat will be flooded with, what are you talking about?
So we have to operate on a light assumption that the average person at any given moment on a show has not watched the show the previous day.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's similar to if you're talking about someone we all know and we're using first name basis.
We got to use their last name when we're on TV.
It's just something you got to be a little different when you have the cameras on and you're broadcasting.
tim pool
I'll give you one example of how it's difficult to navigate esoteric subjects.
What we say on this show on a daily basis is an esoteric subject.
You don't know the subject of what we talked about unless you watch every episode.
When we had Vivek Ramaswamy on and we asked him about central bank digital currency, He did what many people do when discussing this.
The subject is so complicated that instead of saying, here's what blockchain is, here's what Bitcoin is, here's what cryptocurrencies are, central bank, instead of that, he goes, the problem with CBDC right away is that you've got a government, and I'm like, wait, wait, stop.
What is CBDC?
Oh, central bank digital currencies.
Anyway, the point is, no, no, no, stop.
What does that mean?
And so he says, I'm going to get to that.
And then he starts talking about blockchain.
I'm like, listen, people don't know what blockchain is.
I've, I deal with this all the time.
It's not, but what happens is someone who knows and pays attention to every show knows that what CBDC is.
So someone will come on this show as a guest and they'll say, well, I'm hoping Donald Trump calls out CBDC because we had a big problem.
And then 80% of viewers go.
I have no idea what he's talking about.
ian crossland
I've noticed that on shows, sometimes there's the experts, two experts talking at each other, and I just want to listen to them experts speak.
Even if I don't understand the words, I'm like, I'll figure it out later.
Go full expert nerd.
Don't assume, don't dumb it down.
Just go full expert.
But then other times, I'm like, I want to watch more of a show which explains to the general audience, like, labels, what they mean.
And I just, I kind of go back and forth.
There's different types of shows in that sense.
tim pool
So you need to say something like, blockchain is a digital ledger, a book containing a list of transactions made by people who are exchanging something of value.
The digital currencies are essentially things you can have on the internet that represent value.
Really simple.
The government wants to create their own version that they would control.
That would be a bad thing because it gives them technological access to all currencies.
They can spy on you much more easily.
They can control what you buy much more easily.
They can ban you from stores or even from regions.
Right now, they can do these things through difficult measures with the federal government, court systems, freezing your bank accounts.
But with Central Bank Digital Currency, one day, you could get a notification that you are not allowed to buy things within 50 miles of Austin, Texas.
And they can easily control that with a CBDC.
It's less easy with the current financial system.
But social credit scores, all that stuff, it opens the door if they make that move.
So we say nope.
ian crossland
Alright!
tim pool
Scrotty Johnson says, funny thing is Porsche is owned by VW, but VW's holding company is Porsche.
Literally a loop.
That's so crazy.
Very weird.
Limited liability schemes.
ian crossland
That's like corruption staring us in the face kind of behavior.
tim pool
TeslaHack says, on the topic of the casino, and no one in charge, this Ian isn't correct, decentralization also decentralizes responsibility.
A web of interconnected systems is hard to hold accountable, unlike a singular leader.
That's a great point.
And that is the point I was dealing with.
If So if you're having a problem in one of these big casinos and there's no general manager, that's it.
Have a nice day.
There's nothing you can do.
So when I had an issue where a guy threatened to... So what happened was I was in the poker room at Hollywood Charlestown and they apologized to me.
Relentlessly over this.
But, uh, I will use the poker terminology for everybody, and if you don't understand, too bad!
I did what's called an Ace High Hero Call on an all-in.
Basically, we're playing poker, I'll simplify it.
The guy is making big bets.
I don't believe he's actually got a hand.
I think he's got garbage.
So I call his bets.
In the end, he pushes all of his money into the middle, basically saying, my hand is so good, I'm putting up $300.
You have to have $300 to call me out.
And I said, I call.
I throw the money in, and then I flip over Ace King off suit.
Not the best hand, but a pretty good hand.
And he- Is this all pre-flop?
No.
This is the river.
This is the end.
He bluffs all the way down, he looks at what I have, and he just has this look of shock, and then he throws his cards into the muck, meaning he just gets rid of them, and then they shove all the money to me, meaning...
I called him out.
He was surprised I called him out.
He got really angry, came back half an hour later and started threatening to hit me and beat me up and smack me and insulting me.
And that's a no-go at any casino in any poker room.
Instant perma-ban.
You go to any major casino.
And so I was like, can I get the floor over here?
Like, holy crap.
They didn't.
I asked for the floor several times.
Finally, I got up and I'm like, yo, what the?
Went to the guy who runs it and I said, this guy's threatening to attack me.
Can I get security?
Like, what's going on here, man?
He basically came over and said, chill out, shut up, and play the game.
So I said, okay, I want to speak to who's in charge.
There was no one in charge.
No one runs the show.
No one's in charge of security issues.
Security guards came over and said, I don't know.
What happened?
And I'm like, can you guys like watch the cameras and see him threatening to hit me and all stuff?
And they're like, I don't know.
And I was like, is there a boss or a manager of the casino who's in charge?
No.
Each individual space has their own authority and jurisdiction.
So if the guy who runs the poker room says, don't know, don't care, didn't see it.
The security guy says, I don't work for him, it doesn't work for me.
There's no other general managers.
It only got resolved like seven months later when a guy who watches the show and worked in the food department as a manager.
Asked me like, uh, so they, they had an, uh, there was a Republican event using the casino conference space and he was there and he was like, yeah, I hear you're a big fan.
You play poker.
I was like, not here anymore.
Not since that guy threatened to attack me and you guys did nothing.
He went, what?
I get a phone call right away from the casino host apologizing, saying they'll, they'll, they'll fix it.
And I said, fine, fine.
Uh, I am once again, boycotting them, however, because they stole $40 for me.
ian crossland
Wait, so the casino host is like the top dog over there?
tim pool
He's a customer relations guy who wants to convince people to play the game.
So there's no boss.
ian crossland
That's gotta not be true.
I feel like they just lied to you.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, that's bizarre.
tim pool
Yeah, there's no boss.
ian crossland
There's an owner.
tim pool
Who do you call when you have a problem on Facebook?
Who's the manager you speak to at Facebook when you get banned?
There's nobody.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's none.
tim pool
So, the whole system is decentralized.
There, of course, is someone who's in charge of the casino at perhaps like a regional level, but they're not in the building, and they're not there, and there's no phone.
You can't talk to them.
So the only way you get anything resolved is, first, this one's really important, if you guys are ever having problems with a major company and they're dicking you around, be rich.
Okay, now, after you're rich, it also helps to have two million followers on Twitter.
ian crossland
Okay, now that we've gone through that.
tim pool
These companies will finally apologize to you, and this is the worst thing about our modern corporatist system, is that the only way to actually be treated fairly by these faceless, gigantic, disgusting machines is if you can wield influence against them, and it's sad.
It is pathetic that you would have to do something like that.
But you know what?
I suppose that's it.
Let them feel all the pain of treating their customized like garbage because sooner or later they treat the wrong person like garbage and then they have to deal with that.
ian crossland
That's why I'm drawn to mob rule because like I noticed that in 2006 with internet video like the amount of people I could amass to make a phone call to one person at a certain time I was like yo I can command the masses with this technology real easy and I wanted to.
But I also realized how dangerous that could be and that I'm corruptible.
And I was like, I got to just build systems that let people organize.
I can't try and be some cult leader pushing.
I mean, but then the argument is like, if you're up against corporations that are screwing the little guy, maybe you do need a cult leader to step up and command the forces, the people to go make calls and to show up here.
And I'm going to say this and all that.
tim pool
I'm going to take this Friday opportunity to whinge a little bit, and on this point.
So I was at Maryland Live, which is at Arendelle Mills, big mall, shopping mall, and they have a casino, and this place knows customer service.
So there was a dispute we had over a bet on a table.
The supervisor on the floor was arguing with us.
I was getting perturbed.
Like, not angry, but I was like, look, we're trying to do this.
This is what we did.
You can't push our bet back, blah, blah, blah.
And then finally I went, okay, don't worry about it.
Make the bet.
No point in arguing.
Thank you for your patronage.
And I was like, oh, that was very nice of them.
At the same place, I was playing sick bow, which is a three die roll.
You make a bet on what the dice is going to be.
Very simple game.
And I accidentally put more than the max down.
And I lost.
And they went, Sir!
You bet too much!
And they gave me half my bet back.
Hollywood Casino Pen Entertainment?
It's like the gutter of casinos.
We were putting down, so this is why we're currently boycotting them, and this might be the final straw.
We were putting money down on craps.
It was Allison's turn to roll the die.
There were only three people at the table.
As she's putting the money down, they hand the die to the wrong guy, and he throws them, and the die hit the wall, and we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, no roll, no roll, like we're still betting, and they're like, nope, your money's ours, and they pull our money.
And I was like, whoa, dude, stop.
You're out of turn, the wrong person threw, dead roll.
They said, no, if you don't like it, you can leave.
And then I said, if my $40 is worth that much to you, I will never come back to this casino.
And they said, it absolutely is your right to say that.
And I was like, okay.
ian crossland
So don't go to that place.
Don't go to Hollywood.
tim pool
Penn Entertainment runs these things.
And I'll also say this too.
Look at what happened with Portnoy.
They booted Barstool Sports.
Penn bought Barstool, sold it back to Portnoy for a dollar.
He made like half a billion dollars on that deal.
phil labonte
Best deal in like the 21st century so far.
tim pool
No, for real.
So, Portnoy sells Barstool Sports to Penn Entertainment for half a billion.
I think it was half a billion.
And then, not even a year later or whatever, they're like, we're gonna give you the whole thing back for a dollar.
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
Because it is the, like, dude.
ian crossland
But also, isn't that like fraud?
There's just like Portnoy getting free money. Yes, but that's got to be like fraud.
tim pool
They, they, so apparently what was happening was David Portnoy has no problem calling people out
he disagrees with. There was an issue where Mincy, cool dude by the way, was rapping on a show and
said the n-word in a rap. They fired him.
Portnoy was like, that's BS.
I was pissed.
I'm like, come on, dude.
Mincy's a good guy.
He was just rapping a song.
They fired him.
Dave is a good dude.
Gave Mincy a job at his watch company.
He had his back.
I tremendously respect that.
Barstool was freaking out because they were like, we are going to get denied gaming licenses in states because of hate speech and things like that.
So Barstool was too edgy.
So I don't know exactly what happened, but what I imagine is they went to Dave and said, will you buy back Barstool?
And he was like, no.
And they were like, we are losing gaming licenses over this.
We can't have the brand attached to us anymore.
And he was like, too bad, you bought it.
And they were like, will you buy it back for this rate?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Will you buy it back for this?
No.
Can we give it to you?
Okay.
That's probably what happened.
I don't know for sure, but he bought it back for $1.
He got all the money.
He owns the company.
He hired Mincy back.
Bravo, dude.
Penn Entertainment Hollywood casinos are the worst run establishments I have ever been to!
So, anyway.
We're gonna go play in the snow.
There's a crap ton of snow out there.
We're gonna go snowboarding.
Awful.
It's terrible, the roads are shut down, there's a state of emergency, but my friends, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, support our work, and I know there's always people, there's a lot of people who are like, Tim Goebel's too much, listen, my friends, the salary that I take from this company only comes from the Tim Pool Daily Show, a show that I produce 99% on my own in the mornings that I record, that makes money, that's the money I pay myself, everything else from like TimCast.io, your membership goes to putting up billboards, buying commercials of Alex Stein, We did $25,000 in a commercial of Alex Stein trying to freebase coffee.
So you might be thinking, wow, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
I better not give this guy money.
phil labonte
Then don't!
No, that's awesome.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But if you like that we're doing those things, that's what your membership gets.
We also, it enables us to do these on the ground shows.
We're doing more live events this year.
And then we hire more people.
We're producing music.
We're building culture.
We've got documentaries and shows.
So support our work if you like it.
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alex alx lorusso
ALX on X.com.
phil labonte
Simple enough.
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, YouTube, Amazon, you know.
Oh, wait, you know, and one more thing.
Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
ian crossland
For crying?
phil labonte
Crime.
tim pool
You know that saying, they say, be gay, do crime?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
The opposite of that is, don't be gay, don't do crime.
phil labonte
Yeah.
But I think that generally you shouldn't be gay or do crime.
Well, I mean, you can be gay if you're gay, but you shouldn't do crime.
tim pool
But that's the point, right?
I feel like they've made this phrase intentionally so that the inverse of it is something that we mostly wouldn't agree with, because the more liberal, moderate person would be like, well, You know, I can understand why someone wouldn't want their kid to be gay, they wouldn't have grandkids.
But we're fairly libertarian, just don't do crime.
It's not a very strong rebuttal.
phil labonte
It's not, but especially like someone's gonna bring up the left lane and then I'm just...
Pro-crime in the left-hand slip lane.
unidentified
We're talking about driving in the left-hand slip lane.
ian crossland
Have a beautiful evening.
I'm Ian Croftson.
Great week.
We'll see you again next week.
Let's do this again and definitely check out that Culture War episode from today.
tim pool
Roger Stone on Monday.
unidentified
Pumped.
ian crossland
I haven't met him yet, so I'm really looking forward to putting these puzzle pieces together.
tim pool
Talk all about elections.
ian crossland
Good to see you, Alex.
As always, man.
Good to see you.
phil labonte
Surge.
serge du preez
Yo, Alex.
Pleasure, man.
As always, good to actually talk to you this time.
Yeah, I'm excited for the weekend and for dealing with the snow and the rest of this storm that's going to be happening.
Let's just go home.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We will see you all on Monday.
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