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Jan. 16, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - TRUMP WINS IOWA CAUCUS Live w/Benny Johnson, Alex Bruesewitz, Vivek Ramaswamy & More
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alex bruesewitz
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benny johnson
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ian crossland
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josie glabach
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luke rudkowski
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phil labonte
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tim pool
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tim pool
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to our Iowa caucus show.
We are here in Des Moines, Iowa.
It is, I think it's like, what, negative 15 out right now.
We've got the Iowa Caucus results trackers pulled up, but we still have, I think, it could be an hour before we know exactly who wins and what's going on, but there's a lot of interesting data that's coming out.
So we're gonna talk about this.
There is a lot of news that we'll probably get into as we are waiting, but we have a lot of awesome guests.
And in the news today, Of course the Iowa caucus is taking center stage.
Donald Trump is the huge favorite expected to win.
But there is a shocking new poll showing that among first-time caucus goers, Vivek Ramaswamy actually is leading, Nikki Haley's in second, and Trump is in third.
I don't know how much that will matter because the core base of voters are not first-time voters, so this should get pretty interesting.
We've got massive escalation in the Red Sea, which could lead to serious conflict, crisis, and war.
Higher prices, so we'll talk about all that.
And a bunch of other stuff.
We'll talk about the airlines getting woke and going broke.
But I think a big focus of today is going to be on the strategies of these political campaigns, who's going to win, why they're engaging the things they are, and of course, Donald Trump versus Vivek Ramaswamy is big in the news right now.
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Joining us tonight to start off the show, we got Benny Johnson and Alex Brusiewicz.
Take it away, whoever wants to.
benny johnson
What's up?
Benny Johnson, and, um, you know, you can subscribe to my OnlyFans.
tim pool
I hope it's worth the money.
benny johnson
It was.
ian crossland
Take the glasses off?
That's hot.
benny johnson
Hey, that's for subscribers only.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
For those that might not know.
benny johnson
News and politics and culture on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitch, Rumble, Kick, other platforms that I'm ex, and so forth.
ian crossland
Well, all right.
benny johnson
We got Alex.
tim pool
Alex, what are you doing?
alex bruesewitz
He's blowing up, by the way.
I mean, this guy gains more followers than anybody I know on a daily basis.
He's crushing it.
But I'm Alex Berzwitz.
I am a semi-professional Twitter troll and a professional full-time dissimp crusher online.
And, uh, you know, I'm excited for a big Trump victory tonight.
tim pool
Right on.
We've got a couple other guests.
We've got a bunch of people who may be jumping in and out.
I don't know exactly who may be showing up because there are a lot of people who have expressed interests, but, um, we are, uh, we have been under the impression the whole time, and I just want to make sure this is clear.
Vivek Ramaswamy should be joining us at some point in the night to discuss strategy, what's happening, and so we're excited for that.
Of course, we had him on the show on Wednesday.
We did a big town hall with him.
But considering how hectic the night may be, we have no idea how it may turn out, especially considering the roads are covered in ice and it's like minus 15, but the plan is to have him around.
We also got the crew here, of course.
Luke Rikowsky's hanging out.
luke rudkowski
Hey guys, my name's Zubrodowski of TheBestPoliticalShow.com, and because of Bytonomics, I'm also selling on Blank Blank for $7,000 a load there.
If you want to find out what the blank says, go to TheBestPoliticalShirts.com.
We also have Seamus here, who just came out and crawled out of the tunnels in New York City.
Good to see you, brother.
unidentified
Hold on a second.
So, Luke... Were those Irish tunnels, though?
ian crossland
It's deeply Irish, yes.
unidentified
It's unbelievable.
By the way, Luke was eating seed oil filled food earlier.
luke rudkowski
How dare you be blasphemous?
unidentified
And Tim can vouch for that.
tim pool
Well, I caught him because I saw Luke sitting on the couch eating a cracker and I recognized instantly it was a Belvita cracker from the shape on it.
unidentified
As he came out of his tunnel.
tim pool
And I was eating a beef stick.
And then when Luke got up- With soy.
luke rudkowski
You had a soy- There's no soy in there.
You had, what, red 5?
unidentified
Red 2?
luke rudkowski
Red 3.
unidentified
Oh, gross!
tim pool
There was red 3 in it.
ian crossland
That stuff's made from coleslaw.
tim pool
That's right.
I think.
I confess, there were preservatives and coloring and corn syrup in my beef stick, but Luke was eating seed oil.
unidentified
Couldn't preserve Luke's reputation.
luke rudkowski
What do you eat?
unidentified
What about your two-sprite diet?
How about that?
No one talks about your horrible diet.
You don't want to get into this gear.
I do.
You're a poisonous, fluorine drinker.
tim pool
I only IQ.
unidentified
What were the tunnels used for?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, answer the question, Sheamus.
What were you doing in the tunnels?
tim pool
Guys, we're moving on.
I actually legitimately want to go.
I am fed up.
We're moving on.
Seamus did, however, drink two Sprites and a piece of chocolate cake.
unidentified
My name's Seamus Coghlan.
I'm a cartoonist, political pundit.
I have a podcast on Rumble that's on Hades right now called Shamer.
I also have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
We upload a new animated cartoon every single week.
And I'm a co-host on ShimCast.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Cross, and I have been eating very healthy while we were in town.
I've been drinking a lot of hot tea, chamomile.
That was nice.
Caffeine, low caffeine.
alex bruesewitz
You're a classy gentleman.
benny johnson
Hard to eat healthy in Iowa.
ian crossland
I've got a bit of a fuzz in my headphones, so hopefully it's not too distracting.
tim pool
We went to the Big Steer.
Do people, everyone from Demo know what that is?
Luke said apparently like everyone.
luke rudkowski
I found that place.
I did a deep dive research into it.
ian crossland
You come to Iowa, go to the Big Steer.
Absolutely.
luke rudkowski
That place is awesome.
Best ribeye in town.
ian crossland
Man, the seafood was top notch.
tim pool
Super good.
Delicious.
ian crossland
That's butter, there's like melted butter sauce.
unidentified
Did that have enough seed oils for you, Luke?
tim pool
No seed oils, just ribeye.
No, the dressing they made in house.
Ian asked about it.
Yeah, that garlic.
They were like, nope, it's legit, it's cream, But now that we've talked about a bunch of nonsense, let's talk about the news.
Alright, here's the first thing I got pulled up for you.
This is actually really funny, the first thing I want to mention.
We have the New York Times, Iowa caucus results queued up.
For those that are here watching live, you can see what we have on the screen right here.
But what do you notice?
What do you notice in their default breakout of the candidates?
unidentified
I notice our buddy isn't there.
tim pool
Who wants to say it?
ian crossland
No Vivek?
tim pool
Vivek is not included in the New York Times default breakout.
You have to then click View All Candidates to bring him up along with Chris Christie, Asa Hutchinson, and Ryan Binkley.
ian crossland
Yeah, Christie did drop out, but he's still on the ballot.
benny johnson
Deadass, I don't even know who Ryan Brinkley is.
alex bruesewitz
He was the first person to do the full Grassley this cycle.
He did all 99 counties.
Did he really?
He did.
tim pool
Oh wow.
Is he still running?
alex bruesewitz
No, he suspended his campaign, but I think he still has a few folks going to caucus for him.
tim pool
Really?
And Hutchison's been out for a while.
alex bruesewitz
No, he's still in.
tim pool
He's still in?
alex bruesewitz
He's still in, yeah.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
That's kind of depressing, but more power to him, I guess.
alex bruesewitz
One percent.
tim pool
Oh, is it really?
Chris Christie dropped out, but I do love that Vivek is not included in their default breakout of the total reporting.
Should be interesting to see what ends up happening because of that.
benny johnson
It was the same with CNN and Fox News.
tim pool
Yeah, apparently.
benny johnson
So we did a ride-along with Vivek today, and he showed me a screenshot from his Fox News hit this morning.
He's like, what's going on, guys?
What is this?
And he pointed at the screen, and it just showed...
It's a poll.
tim pool
It was a poll of who are you caucusing for, and they did not include his name.
ian crossland
But the weird thing on CNN is when you clicked the link and went there, the big article was Vivek's face.
I don't understand what was going on.
I think if you go to CNN right now, it'll probably just show you Vivek.
tim pool
I guess that's it.
But I suppose the big news and the big questions we can start talking about right now is Donald Trump versus Vivek Ramaswamy.
This is like the big subject.
For the longest time, everybody's kind of wondering how it is that Vivek is running against Donald Trump, But there's no fighting.
And so we actually got to the point where I think it was Dave Rubin who tweeted that Vivek... I don't want to get him wrong, but Dave said something to the effect that Trump is working with or for... I'm sorry, Vivek is working with or for Trump or something like this.
alex bruesewitz
That was a big narrative that was being pushed by the DeSantis camp for quite a while.
And, you know, I think Vivek was smart for a long time for not taking shots at President Trump.
And he kind of stayed above the fray in that fight.
But President Trump certainly doesn't enjoy when people use his face or name for, you know, financial purposes.
And those T-shirts that Vivek was pushing with the Save Trump Vote Vivek message, I think that was a little I think that upset a few people, including President Trump, and rightfully so.
President Trump is never liked when people use his name.
He even sued little Mac Miller over the song Donald Trump.
And so, I think that was a rookie mistake made by Vivek, and it happened at an inopportune time for the guy.
tim pool
Yeah, so this is the story.
I just Google-searched the image.
India West is the source.
I don't know what they are, but... This image is real, and it's Vivek with a group of young men, and they're wearing shirts that say, Save Trump, Vote Vivek.
Look, man, I like Vivek.
He's a good dude, he's a smart guy, he's a hard-working guy, but this is... This was a mistake.
This was a big mistake.
ian crossland
I understand the message, like, okay, Trump's, his life is at risk if the deep state really wants him to not be president, that they'll stop at nothing.
I get that, but like, to rely on that as a campaign message is a little lame.
Like, you gotta be the best candidate, not like, oh, that other guy's a problem, so vote for me instead.
That just doesn't fly.
It doesn't sustain my opinion.
unidentified
Show me why you do it.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, look, Vivek has a great thing going as If the deep state does really stop at nothing and go after Trump, and let's not even explain the worst that could happen, we're going to be happy that it's not just Nikki Haley waiting in the bleachers.
Yep.
benny johnson
That was the argument that I overheard as he's doing radio interviews all day with Alex Jones, Bongino.
I couldn't hear Alex Jones or Bongino, but you could tell they were like, Trump's going after you, why would you run with this stupid shirt?
And his argument was, Alex Jones, you just did 20 minutes.
We just did 20 minutes together on how they're going to assassinate Trump.
So then what happens next?
And Bongino, you just did a whole interview where you and Tucker talk about assassination of Trump for 30 straight minutes.
So what do you think's going to happen next?
Game theory that out for me.
I don't think that's smart.
I don't think that t-shirt's smart.
But that's, I think, the thought process behind it, right?
luke rudkowski
The t-shirt is cringey, sure, but I thought Trump's response could have been better.
I think he could have been a lot smarter about this situation.
His statement today made more sense, but he could have reached out to Vivek.
He could have Send out a message saying hey, I don't need saving.
Thank you Without kind of the dividing a lot of people as of course, you know Don jr Was here just a couple days ago and he talked about how we don't have a bench and this kind of infighting I don't think is productive and I think it could have been handled totally different in my opinion Well, it is politics, and Vivek is running for president against Trump, and he has stayed out of, you know, kind of the firing lane the entire cycle so far.
benny johnson
That's true.
alex bruesewitz
And this was really his first hiccup and mistake, I think, of the campaign.
And, you know, President Trump is a fighter by nature, and he typically doesn't hold back saying things that are on his mind.
Uh, that was probably the first thing that came to his mind yesterday.
And so he put it out and, you know, look, I think a lot of us do like Vivek.
A lot of us do think he has a future in the movement and a future in the party.
I don't think it's, uh, this year.
Uh, but I do think, you know, he's a young guy and, uh, when we're talking, looking at our bench down the future, I think Ron DeSantis stepped on a landmine this cycle and has no future after this.
luke rudkowski
I think a lot of people saw his response and I think some people took offense to it because they kind of saw it as punching down and they saw it as infighting.
And to me, that's how just some people reacted to it.
But, you know, again, it's a crazy situation and a lot of people want it handled differently.
benny johnson
I think the only smart move here, quite frankly, is for Trump to release a Save Vivek shirt.
luke rudkowski
That would have been, yeah, that would have been a meme.
ian crossland
For real.
luke rudkowski
That would have been funny.
That would have been hilarious.
unidentified
That is good.
ian crossland
That is good.
benny johnson
And be like, I got you, bitch.
ian crossland
Save a vape from himself.
unidentified
Well, I want to make a point piggybacking off of what you said, Alex, with DeSantis and the fact that he stepped on a landmine here.
It's just fascinating to me because, yeah, this is the first time I've ever felt that I liked a politician and hated their campaign.
It's a very strange phenomenon.
No.
tim pool
I don't even like the guy anymore.
unidentified
You don't like him anymore at all?
tim pool
Sorry, but finish your point.
unidentified
Yeah, no, well, my point was basically just that, and I've said this on the show before, I think that if Trump and DeSantis are both strong, that's great for the United States of America, I want both of those men to be as successful as possible, and then going up against each other in this cycle, and DeSantis deciding to run has turned out to be a complete disaster for him and his campaign, and he ended up basically jumping headfirst into the politician woodchipper that is Donald Trump, I believe, to borrow the phrasing from Aaron McIntyre.
And so, there's a lot that DeSantis has done that I think is fantastic.
I would like to see him have a strong future in politics, but unfortunately, I think his campaign has been a disaster.
And I also say that as someone who's had friends work for him, people who I like.
I think the people making decisions for DeSantis are really not trustworthy, and I think they're making bad calls.
tim pool
And this is the moment that I would like to formally apologize to Will Chamberlain and Jordan Chamberlain.
They're friends of ours.
ian crossland
They're good friends of mine.
unidentified
Sam, Will's great.
alex bruesewitz
Will's a good guy.
tim pool
And I want to apologize because on the show last week, I said that they were living in Maryland while working for Ron DeSantis, and that was not true.
And so, Will, I'm really sorry about that.
I didn't know.
I made a mistake.
I read these articles.
I assumed you were still in the area because you had been on the show earlier, but they were actually living in Florida at the time when they were working for DeSantis.
So seriously, sorry about that, guys.
I mean it.
unidentified
And Will's one of the people I'm thinking of.
Will's the man.
Like, I really like that guy.
alex bruesewitz
Yeah, I don't know how you get rid of Will, who's actually a smart guy, competent guy, and then keep some of these other dumpster fires around, so... Yep, and this is what I said to Will.
tim pool
If they put him in charge, DeSantis would be pulling way higher.
He could have the campaign that Vivek is having.
Granted, I think this is a mistake Vivek made, but I still think he's doing really well.
But I gotta tell you, when I mentioned to you earlier, I don't even like Ron anymore.
I gotta be honest.
So, Laura Loomer put out that video where she confronts him and, you know, it is, I don't know how to describe it, but it is shocking to be confronted by Laura Loomer if you're some of these people, right?
But a question that someone asked and she also asked was, why are you in Iowa when your state is in a state of emergency?
And I was like, whoa, I didn't even realize.
I looked it up.
Sure enough, there's flooding and a disaster going on in Florida.
And not only did he come out here, but correct me if I'm wrong, I'm hearing that he brought out his gubernatorial staff as well.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, dude, dude, this is not okay.
Okay.
He would have earned way more political points by saying, I'm not going to be able to campaign in Iowa.
Understand why.
There are people who depend on me.
I will never abandon the people who voted for me.
People of Iowa, blah, blah, blah.
Instead, he was like, I'm out!
He flies in, flies out, comes here, and then goes to campaign in a blizzard where all the stores are shut down.
We're walking around outside, and it wasn't even snowing very hard, but the snow had come overnight, and the restaurants are closed.
Everything's closed.
It's barren under snow.
For what reason did he decide to come out here when people are canceling events?
He actually abandoned his state during a state of emergency flooding in a disaster to campaign in a state that was dealing with its own weather.
I was just... That pissed me off.
I'm sorry, man.
benny johnson
And weather that people from Florida have no idea how the F to deal with.
Florida people don't know how to deal with ice and snow and cold.
unidentified
What's the gator guy gonna do up here, huh?
benny johnson
As a person... Yeah, that's right.
ian crossland
Lift your legs when you walk.
benny johnson
So, two things.
unidentified
One...
benny johnson
But can you lift your legs that high in boots like that, is the question.
ian crossland
It was fun.
tim pool
I have big boots.
They're like the big polar boots.
luke rudkowski
The Balenciaga.
tim pool
Baffins.
alex bruesewitz
How big's the heel?
benny johnson
It's pretty big.
tim pool
Oh, they've got wedges inside that give me about a good four inches, you know.
alex bruesewitz
Can I poll the audience real quick?
What do you guys make of a man that wears high heels on the campaign trail?
unidentified
And that's okay! It's okay!
ian crossland
Don't say that.
I got a question for you guys.
We were talking in the green room beforehand about basically the liberal economic order, most powerful force on earth, most powerful global government ever created.
So if these guys, Vivek and Donald Trump, are saying, like, we're gonna disrupt it.
My thought is, okay, well then your life is on the line.
So if you do win the presidency, you're gonna have to go into hiding or govern from like some secret location.
And they were like, no, that would be like an abandonment.
I'm like, but if you stay in contact with the people via internet video, be like, I have no choice but to be in a mountain base.
What do you, do you guys think that's a good idea?
You think it's unnecessary?
What do you think?
benny johnson
Going against the liberal world order?
ian crossland
Well, I mean, they're talking about dismantling the FBI, which is essentially going against the liberal economic order.
tim pool
Let's preface this a little bit.
I know there's a lot of people who are probably more general viewers.
We've covered this quite a bit, but the liberal economic order is a system that was built after World War II.
Ian brings it up quite a bit.
It's a legitimate thing.
This is not conspiracy theory.
I know the media is going to try and claim it is.
What is it, the CFR, the Council on Foreign Relations?
ian crossland
They might be involved.
It was started in 1949, and they were like, this is going to guarantee we don't have World War III.
They built American-led, rules-based economies, is what they call it, and they built all these American military bases.
They use American money, and they've been enforcing it.
So these new people are like, we've got to create a new world order.
This liberal economic order is no longer effective.
We've got to create a new system, is where they've been, like the World Economic Forum is starting to step in.
But this liberal economic order is kind of now being siphoned into this new world order
that they're trying to, this global banking thing.
And Trump has been like a, kind of was kind of a bull, like he kind of, when he canceled
the Trans-Pacific Partnership, you could see that he was not playing that game.
He was not going to sell out the United States.
tim pool
Well, here's a question I want to ask too, because Ian's bringing up this point.
If you're going up against the machine, they will do anything to stop you.
And as you were just pointing out, Vivek was mentioning that Alex Jones, Dan Magino are
talking about the potential assassination.
benny johnson
Tucker Carlson.
tim pool
And the joke everyone else has is that if Trump picked Nikki Haley as VP, he'd have to get a food taster, because they're going to want to get her in as soon as possible.
But let's be real, too.
When Vivek says, save Trump, vote Vivek, it's like, what makes you think you're immune to the same things?
alex bruesewitz
If Vivek's really a threat to the system, like he's campaigning on, Why would the system let him in?
He needs to figure out that message before it lands.
Because that doesn't make a ton of sense.
luke rudkowski
I just want to add one more point before we move on.
For me personally, there's a lot of things that are happening right now that we should be talking about.
Specifically, World War 3 that we are probably in right now.
The Epstein client list.
Americans are fatter, sicker, and more depressed than ever.
But we're talking about calendars and cringy t-shirts.
The conversation should really be about the establishment versus the anti-establishment.
This is where the conversation needs to be.
There's a lot at stake here, and to me, we're arguing over superficial issues when there's so much deeper things that we could be exposing right now, fighting for, and talking about that sadly we're not talking about, which is kind of disappointing for me personally.
tim pool
I want to cover some of these issues.
benny johnson
I agree, Luke.
tim pool
The results are going to start coming in, but we do have some big issues, especially Taylor Hanson is reporting on a really crazy issue, which we'll get to later in the show, where you've actually got police officers.
They're off duty, but using public equipment to facilitate human smuggling operations on the border.
Crazy stuff coming out of it.
This is Tenet Media.
Shout out to Tenet Media.
We have the show The Culture War with them, obviously.
Full disclosure.
But Taylor's got some excellent reporting we'll pull up later.
As Luke points out, there's a lot of issues.
But I want to talk a little bit about the caucus.
Two big issues.
This is a new report from SCNR.com.
Shock poll.
Majority of first-time Iowa caucus goers support Vivek Ramaswamy.
Trump is in third place among this group with 29%.
Surprisingly, I believe it's Nikki Haley who has second place, right?
alex bruesewitz
Well, her numbers come from first-time GOP caucus goers, and it's because she has a lot of Democrats caucusing for her.
tim pool
Exactly.
alex bruesewitz
And so these are people that are not actually going to be voting for a Republican in November.
tim pool
This is a crazy thing.
I think Mark Cuban tweeted this, calling for crossover voters, Democrats, to come in and vote for Nikki Haley, basically sabotaging the Republican primary process.
benny johnson
Why does the state party of Iowa allow that?
Why does the Republican state party of Iowa allow that?
It makes absolutely no sense.
Here's a question.
How long have you been in Iowa?
tim pool
Less than a week.
benny johnson
You've met some people, you've gotten out, you've went to restaurants?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
benny johnson
Have you met a Nikki Haley supporter?
No.
luke rudkowski
Never.
ian crossland
Not that I know of.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
benny johnson
It's like meeting a dodo bird.
alex bruesewitz
Or a Joe Biden voter.
benny johnson
Yeah, like try and capture one for science.
Science!
What are you?
I don't know one.
We've never seen one.
tim pool
We've met Joe Biden voters.
I've never met a Joe Biden supporter.
ian crossland
Yeah, they voted against Trump, essentially.
tim pool
Yeah, and even like the leftists who are like, I voted for Biden.
It's like, yeah, I don't like the guy at all.
I just think Trump's a fascist or blah, blah, blah.
But when I saw this thing from Mark Cuban, where he's like crossover voters, you're saying, why does Iowa allow it?
It's really simple, man.
Democrats probably a long time ago switched their party with the intention of sabotaging the primary.
We talked about it even in 2020.
This is a strategy of having your people go to open primaries to choose whoever you think is going to lose or just to cause chaos and damage.
alex bruesewitz
Well, if it makes any of the folks in attendance or watching feel better, Liz Cheney tried to do this in Wyoming and she lost by 40 points.
She tried to get all the Democrats in Wyoming to register and vote for her.
I don't think it's smart that some states do it.
That's just the fact of the matter.
tim pool
But it's not about any state doing it.
Even if you have a closed primary or caucus process, a Democrat one year ago reach which is party affiliation republican waiting for the
moment they can come into this is nothing is there's no way to stop it
it just means that democrats are that there are a large percentage of democrat
voters who are lying
alex bruesewitz
to sabotage the republican well i would like to thank your program and and and what you guys do for sending your
reporters to the nikki haley events
she has called totally closed the doors to most conservative media
She won't allow cameras inside of her stump speeches.
She's terrified that her speeches will get out there.
And so your videos of like talking to the attendees and saying, yeah, I'll vote.
They say, I'll vote for Biden before I vote for Trump.
Like, those are the first videos that were actually coming out of the Nikki Haley events this entire campaign cycle, so you guys did a great job on that.
tim pool
Well, that's a shout-out to SCNR.com.
Ilad Eliyahu doing this ground reporting.
Ilad does a great job.
He doesn't go in, he's not yelling at people, he just asks them a basic question.
Who are you supporting, Nikki Haley?
If it's not Nikki Haley, who will you vote for?
And they say Biden.
alex bruesewitz
And their voters say Ukraine's the number one issue.
Yeah.
You know, these people are not going to be Trump voters, and that's OK.
We don't need them.
But the Vivek has been interesting.
He's attracting a new demographic, I think, to the party.
And I think a lot of when he eventually drops out, I think most of his, if not all of his supporters will come and vote for President Trump.
But, you know, he's a young, energetic guy, and he attracts a similar type of person that
President Trump does.
But Vivek's team has really made an effort to go after the young vote, like the 18, 20-year-olds
and the Andrew Tate crowd.
tim pool
It's brilliance going for the younger voter.
I think Vivek's whole play is for the future.
I do think the Save Trump, Vote Vivek thing was a huge misstep.
But I think right now, and I'll say this too, because right now with the Vivek versus Trump thing, people are getting attacked online like crazy.
You've got these diehard Trump supporters saying they're all grifters.
Yeah, okay.
Look, I'm gonna throw some criticism at Ian Miles Chong, because he posted that really deceptive image that was, like, mainstream media-esque, where it's a very tight shot from the third row of a Trump rally, and then behind Vivek at his whole room, when apparently Trump's— Trump had, like, 2,500 people-plus overflow and Vivek had 500 capacity.
Like, let's not play those games.
We don't need to do that.
But there are a lot of people that I think are going hard after anybody who was talking to Vivek or interviewing him, claiming that it's a paid, coordinated thing.
Totally not true.
Possible.
I don't know.
Maybe some people are getting paid by Vivek's campaign.
We didn't get anything from Vivek, except I will say, full disclosure, the building we are in, Laura Loomer tweeted that we are in his campaign office.
Technically correct.
Not literally correct.
His campaign office is down the hall around the corner.
I think that's fair to point out.
We are in an unused portion of the building.
We actually had to talk with the owner about the use of the space and what it meant.
And I'm just going to tell everybody this.
We actually, we were like at odds with the Vivek campaign because they're super noisy and we're trying to do a show but I'm like I don't want to disrupt someone else's campaign.
ian crossland
Yeah, they've given us full access to that office which is where I got my tea is in Vivek's campaign.
tim pool
They're being really nice to us.
ian crossland
Shout out to Vivek's tea.
luke rudkowski
It's being bought off by tea.
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
But I want to make sure we're being transparent and clear with that.
But I also want to point out that when Laura mentioned about being loyal to Trump, I don't think she articulated that very well.
ian crossland
I don't like loyalty in politics.
What do you guys think?
tim pool
No, no, hold on.
I want to address this.
This is the point why I'm bringing it up.
There is an issue of being honorable and loyal to Donald Trump, and I agree with it.
Now, let all the DeSantis people scream MAGA, cult, BS, whatever.
No, I'll tell you what it means.
It means I didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2016, and then I saw a president who started no new wars.
I saw him set deadlines for ending these foreign wars, which the Democrats told me were all bad during Obama, but made worse.
He brings in the Abraham Accords.
He negotiates with North Korea, all of these great foreign policy moves.
Some bad ones, don't get me wrong, but an overall net positive.
And the whole time, they're destroying his life, they're targeting his children, his net worth is dropping.
Now they're trying to take from him his properties in New York City with a fraudulent trial.
He's being criminally prosecuted across the board.
I'm sorry, man.
When it comes to the issue of loyalty, I can ignore policy and say, I'm not going to abandon a guy and vote for Vivek after this guy jumped in the trenches and caused himself personal damage to do good things for me and the United States.
That's loyalty.
But that being said, Between Vivek and Trump, I understand Vivek's point about they're going to try and stop him.
Agreed.
However, Donald Trump has experience in his first term.
I believe that if Vivek were to win right now, he would not be as effective as Trump in certain areas because he will step on the landmines that they laid out for Trump in the first term that Trump now knows about.
So I still think there's a logical path forward for why Donald Trump is the right person to pick.
And I also think there's a question of honor and loyalty to a guy who's sacrificing a lot.
ian crossland
Well, so Honor, don't turn away from who you believe in because of fear.
I agree with that.
But I believe that we should be loyal to the process.
And it sounds like you're loyal to Trump's process, which I understand.
tim pool
What does that mean?
ian crossland
You're loyal to his actions.
What he's done is like, I want more of that.
I respect humans that do that thing.
tim pool
No, that's not correct.
ian crossland
You're saying all the things he did.
It's not about like, I love the guy no matter what he does, I'll vote for him.
tim pool
I'm saying you can ignore the good things he's done.
That's my point.
If we take all of his policies and everything he did for this country and just put a blanket over it and say, the only issue we are addressing is this man ran to be president, ignited a base, and they have been stabbing him in the back relentlessly.
That guy made sacrifices for me.
I won't abandon him.
ian crossland
I don't like that.
alex bruesewitz
I think I hear where you're coming from, though.
And I think for the voters, I don't think the voters necessarily have to be loyal to a person, right?
I think President Trump has earned a lot of respect and a lot of appreciation from the voters, and that's why they're going to vote for him tonight and across the country.
But when Laura Loomer, I think when she's talking about the loyalty, I think she's talking about people like a Ron DeSantis, who was a backbench Congress member until he got on his hands and knees and cried in front of Trump, begging him for his endorsement, basically getting the coronation to become governor of Florida.
President Trump worked with him, made sure he got in.
He had rally after rally after rally.
DeSantis was running TV ads, you know, basically saying, you know, I'm President Trump's number one guy and, you know, build the wall, reading Trump books to his kids.
Embrace a Trump rant to become who he is today, and then he totally ditched Trump when it became politically convenient for him.
And then, when you look at some of these other influencers that Laura Loomer's in the trenches fighting online, simply built their audiences.
Like, I look at Tim different than I look at some of these other folks.
Look at Jenna Ellis, because Jenna Ellis built her audience off of the back of Trump supporters and President Trump.
Tim built his audience on his own, doing his own thing, and so who he wants to support, he can support who he wants.
But when you're Jenna Ellis, or you're a John Cardillo, or you're a Bill Mitchell, and your content is only, I love Trump, for five, six years, and just in the reply section defending him, and all of a sudden you switch?
Like, that's where people like... And their followers left them.
Bill Mitchell lost 90,000 followers over the last year because he became the biggest DeSantis shill.
John Cardildo, similar situation.
And so, like, loyalty matters to that extent.
I don't think the voters necessarily have to be loyal, but I think President Trump certainly makes a great case.
ian crossland
What was his last name again?
benny johnson
It took me a second and then it processed.
ian crossland
I'm loyal to the U.S.
Constitution and the process of the American function.
And if someone better comes along than the person I've been supporting for 20 years, I'll vote for the new better person.
And if that person that I've been supporting goes crazy, they should step down and get out of the way so the next guy can come.
And that's how our system's built.
tim pool
Agreed.
And I don't see that playing a role right now.
unidentified
Yeah, but I think the other question, too, is if somebody has been good for 20 years, how do you know that the person who's coming up isn't just good in rhetoric and they're actually going to be decent when they take office?
Because that's one of the values, that's one of the benefits of having a political leader who has some experience, is you're able to say, okay, I know what their track record is, whereas this other guy could have great rhetoric, but I don't know what he's going to do.
ian crossland
Royalty is in like military and monarchy.
I don't think it has a place in republics.
tim pool
We got some numbers coming in.
So less than 1% of the votes have come in already.
It is 730.
Donald Trump is at 67.5% with 243 votes.
DeSantis in second.
Nikki Haley is in third.
Vivek Ramasamy in fourth.
alex bruesewitz
Is that good for Trump so far?
tim pool
This is good for Trump.
alex bruesewitz
I'm not good at math.
unidentified
Who's the guy that voted for Chris Christie?
tim pool
There's one vote for Chris Christie.
benny johnson
Ryan Binkley got a vote.
unidentified
His wife voted for Ryan Binkley.
tim pool
I'm real sorry.
Asa Hutchinson still running, you said?
alex bruesewitz
He's still running.
tim pool
And he got zero and Christie got one?
unidentified
He's still in the race.
benny johnson
If I were caucusing tonight, and I'm from Iowa, and I've caucused before as an Iowan.
I no longer live in Iowa, I live in Florida.
I would not be caucusing for Ron DeSantis.
I'd be caucusing for Donald Trump.
I fully expect to vote for Donald Trump in 2024 in a general election.
My issue with the whole, my issue with the whole, what Alex is talking about, but then also this whole like loyalty argument is I think at the root of it is we injected money into the influencer world and were able to flip influencers in a very cringey way.
Talked a little bit about cringe political campaigns here.
And I'm not going to name anyone, but it's fully available for everyone to see online who's getting paid.
It's also fully available in FEC reports.
You can go check who's on the payroll of which campaigns, right?
Big name influencers, you can go find them.
All the reports are public.
And I don't like that.
unidentified
You getting paid, Luke?
I wish.
benny johnson
There were some people that shocked me.
luke rudkowski
Where's my money at?
benny johnson
DeSantis is paying people that shocked me.
I couldn't believe it.
Wait, wait.
tim pool
Do we publicly see who he's paying?
benny johnson
Riley Gaines is a good example.
I didn't know that.
tim pool
Really?
benny johnson
The DeSantis campaign is paying Riley Gaines.
unidentified
Wow.
alex bruesewitz
For consulting just two weeks before or two weeks after she endorsed him.
So, you know, the timing was interesting, but... I find that practice gross.
benny johnson
So, wait, wait.
tim pool
Two weeks after she endorsed him, she gets paid by his campaign? $10,000.
Interesting.
benny johnson
So I find that practice gross.
You know what's funny?
That was something that I wanted, because I went and spent the day doing a documentary for my Tenet media show called In the Arena, where we go and we show this process.
Shout out Tenet.
And I was accused of being disloyal because I was going out with Vivek, but I just want to tell an interesting story.
And he's the only guy that had a campaign.
events today, right? And they were all over the state and it was very interesting.
tim pool
How else can we look?
benny johnson
Bunch of Gen Z kids, by the way.
tim pool
That he's paying?
benny johnson
Well, no, that were showing up to this and saying that they found him through TikTok.
Is he in this?
No, Vivek.
Oh, Vivek. So Vivek's events were stacked, by and large, with TikTok kids.
tim pool
He's clever.
Which was very interesting.
Some more results have just come in a little bit. Vivek's still in fourth,
but he's within 15 votes of Nikki Haley. I gotta be honest, I'd be really happy if
Donald Trump wins resoundingly and Vivek's in second place.
alex bruesewitz
Trump's number so far, I just want to say, nice.
benny johnson
I just don't like the paid influencer model.
Pay you for your endorsement model.
We used to call that corruption.
That used to be called plain and simple.
You do that in politics, you pay someone for an endorsement.
You call that corruption.
tim pool
Do you know any other people that he's paying that are prominent influencers?
alex bruesewitz
Or do you not want a reward?
There are ways that these campaigns are shielding the name of some of these people.
tim pool
Winner is in.
With less than 1% of votes, the New York Times has called Donald Trump the winner of the Iowa Public Caucus.
alex bruesewitz
I was told by Team DeSantis that DeSantis was going to win.
That didn't happen?
phil labonte
Wow.
benny johnson
Wow.
tim pool
Less than 1% votes in.
benny johnson
No way.
Are there other 732?
ian crossland
I don't understand that logic.
luke rudkowski
Is my mic even on?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think you're a little quiet and so is Seamus.
tim pool
Well, that's good for both of them, actually.
ian crossland
Maybe they're in that screaming match.
tim pool
Oh, Ryan Binkley's got two votes!
luke rudkowski
Binkley!
tim pool
Please, I just want Vivek to beat Nikki Haley.
He's within 12 votes of beating Nikki Haley.
alex bruesewitz
That's incredible.
ian crossland
That's a good sign.
tim pool
I gotta be honest.
luke rudkowski
I just hope Nikki Haley fails.
tim pool
The race has been called by the Associated Press.
The race was called before most of the votes were reported, which often means the call was based on polls and other data.
unidentified
Okay, so... So we can go home now?
This is done?
tim pool
No, I think it's... I think we're all happy to hear that Donald Trump won.
Of course he was going to win.
He's at 70%.
His number is only increasing.
But the race that matters is the cultural race.
And that is, I would like to see Vivek crush DeSantis and Nikki Haley.
benny johnson
Wait, it's really depressing that Nikki... CBS News now calling, CBS News, CNN.
alex bruesewitz
The Trump campaign officially shares the AP message that he won.
ian crossland
I personally find Vivek to be the superior candidate, but I know that politics is a popularity contest.
I can accept that.
And Donald Trump is massively popular.
What do you think, Alex, particularly you, and anybody that wants to talk about it, as a Vivek Donald Trump ticket, regardless of who's... I mean, I think Donald Trump is the lead.
alex bruesewitz
I think Vivek has certainly positioned himself for an incredible future.
Is it in 2024 on the ticket?
I don't know.
But I think we have a lot of great options.
I'm a big fan of Dr. Ben Carson.
I think he's been a tremendous asset to our movement.
He's a really great man.
I think Favek certainly should be considered.
But I do believe that President Trump has made up his mind and will probably Who is it?
We'll probably find out that sooner than later.
And this primary should wrap up sooner than later because Joe Biden just posted his financials that he raised this last quarter, $117 million.
He gets to save all of his money and prepare for the general election.
This primary so far, $250 million has been spent, and look at that margin right now.
And so we are just blowing money that we need in November, and so we need some of these jokers to drop out, and so we can take the fight to Joe Biden.
benny johnson
Man, you're so right.
This was a spectacular waste of money.
I mean it's gonna be this if it's good they're gonna call it in like 29 seconds and how much money was 300 votes coming in well how much money was spending right Chris Christie was talking about on the leaked audio right like the money was he didn't know he's live well he was he was telling 200 million dollars right to say this has been ninety nine million dollars in the state of oh ninety nine million he's got 75 votes so far Do you work for Trump's campaign?
alex bruesewitz
I do not work for Trump's campaign, but I am close with most of the folks over there.
I've been blessed to become friends with the president.
I'm excited to see him in a few minutes here.
He's going to be in great spirits and in a great mood.
unidentified
Ryan Binkley has two votes now.
I just want to mention he's doubled his count.
tim pool
I do need to point out, while you may be upset that Ron spent all of that money, when Bloomberg was running, and everyone in the country was laughing, and he spent half a billion dollars doing it, just understand, he spent a lot of that money on YouTube channels that hated him, and so congratulations funding the people who spread the message that you suck.
So understand, when these people are spending money, it's great for the cultural ecosystem.
What they're trying to do is that campaigns like DeSantis, I don't know if he's buying ads and social media the way Bloomberg was doing, but they're trying to counter the message of people who are saying Bloomberg sucks.
It doesn't work.
So all he ends up doing is giving money to people who hate him to make more shows about why he's bad.
So it doesn't really work the way they want.
Congratulations on wasting that money.
ian crossland
Is it, is the DeSantis, what's he spending the 99 million on?
Is it TV commercials?
tim pool
I bet it's a lot of TV.
alex bruesewitz
So he had, for months he was saying, we're going to win.
Please find this clip.
You gotta show your audience this clip.
They say, Ron, how do you pronounce your last name?
Is it Dee-san-thus or Duh-san-thus?
And he goes, it's pronounced Winner.
You gotta find this clip.
You gotta find this clip.
unidentified
Got him.
benny johnson
Can I ask something?
alex bruesewitz
It's pronounced Winner.
benny johnson
As someone who's been watching online and chuckling to myself, what was it that... Do you live in Florida?
alex bruesewitz
I do.
benny johnson
So, what was it that, like, sent you over the edge with the team DeSantis?
alex bruesewitz
I think how...
benny johnson
Because nobody goes harder than you.
alex bruesewitz
Well, they certainly were a lot of fun to spar with early on just because, you know,
as a professional Twitter troll, I try to get under people's skin.
And the second you like, once somebody shows that their skin is like has been breached,
you just keep pressing it and you press in and so this becomes a lot of fun.
And so they reacted to everything.
We tried to bait them into fights that weren't important, and then they spend days and days on a news cycle that, uh, was completely irrelevant to the campaign.
And they couldn't help themselves.
They engaged every single time.
They fought on every single issue.
You know, I think Tim pointed out a really important one.
He said, you know, the AI fight.
So, they get caught making a video with Dr. Fauci and Donald Trump hugging in AI, and incredibly shady, and Tim Pool called him out, Senator J.D.
Vance called him out, Josh Hawley called it out.
They said, and then their response is, well, Donald Trump shared this meme of Ron DeSantis riding a rhinoceros.
It's basically the same thing.
And like, they would, they die on their hills.
They refuse to say I was wrong, and they just push in and push in.
tim pool
We got good news.
Vivek is within nine votes of Nikki Haley.
I hope Ryan Binkley beats Nikki Haley.
ian crossland
Alex, in your experience trolling, have you gained troll resistance?
Are you able to resist?
alex bruesewitz
Well, I grew up in video game culture, you know, so you log on, you play Call of Duty, you play, you know, whatever game you play, and you sit with your buddies and you say the meanest things you can say to each other for, you know, all day, every day, and then you get off and you, you know, see each other at school the next day and you're best friends, right?
I don't, words don't hurt me, so like, I don't really care if somebody's like, uh, you know, they call me AB35K, or they say I have no upper lip, or whatever it may be, like, I appreciate the attacks, and I find humor in the attacks, and so, I like the game, but you get, these guys take it so personally, and they're so offended by it, And they react emotionally and sociologically, and we just play with them.
tim pool
My conspiracy theory is that the people running DeSantis' campaign are Trump supporters, and they got together and said, what can we do to sabotage Ron DeSantis?
Because if you look at what they're doing, it literally makes no sense.
No sense.
I don't want to call out high-profile individuals who don't want to get involved in fights they don't need to be involved in, but we've had guests on this show who are prominent conservative personalities in a different range of array of spaces.
What I mean by that is like, being as vague as possible, is like an entertainer perhaps.
And they say things like, when they show up to the studio, they'll be like, hey, I'm getting attacked
by these DeSantis people, what's going on?
And I'm just like, what did you say?
I don't know.
And I'm just like, well, there you go.
Welcome to Rhonda's campaign.
Attack everybody and insult them and be condescending and mean.
And apparently that's what they think is gonna get them the votes.
Oh, the Vakes with two votes from Nikki Haley.
Oh, the Vake, you gotta crush Nikki.
unidentified
Come on, come on.
benny johnson
They did.
It's Nimrata.
tim pool
That's right.
benny johnson
We're supposed to use our real names.
That's right!
Nikki Haley says we must use our real names online.
So this is online and you must call her by her real name.
unidentified
Oh no!
We're not naming Nikki Haley.
tim pool
No, Nikki Haley just jumped 17 and I think ain't none.
ian crossland
What percent are we at now, or is it give you a real-time update?
tim pool
One percent of votes.
ian crossland
Oh, it's still one.
tim pool
One percent.
alex bruesewitz
I just DM'd you the video on Twitter.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
luke rudkowski
I sent you the article about it, too, on Twitter.
benny johnson
Nikki Haley changed her husband's name.
Did you know this?
unidentified
Yes.
No, what?
She changed her husband's name to Michael.
benny johnson
Can you back me up on this?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
What was it?
unidentified
Nikki Haley.
It was Bill or something.
benny johnson
Yeah, it was like Bill.
She's like, I'm gonna call you Mike.
unidentified
She's like, I'm gonna call you Mike.
She said, I'm gonna call you Big Mike.
alex bruesewitz
So there's been rumors for years.
There's been rumors for years of alleged affairs.
There's a staffer that came forward and said they had an affair with Nikki.
And I don't think it was an affair.
If this guy allowed his wife to change his name, I don't think it's an affair.
unidentified
I think he might be... Well, whatever it is, look, I mean, like, there's levels of this.
There's levels of being insulted.
There's, like, first, like, your wife hyphenating instead of taking your name.
And then there's, like, you taking her name.
And then there's, like, her changing your first name.
And that's where they are as a couple.
ian crossland
It's like, I dub thee Michael!
tim pool
It is getting brutal.
Nikki Haley is now well above Vivek.
alex bruesewitz
I suspect Nikki Haley pulls ahead of Ron, and Ron finishes in third place with about 15%.
ian crossland
You think Vivek will be in fourth?
alex bruesewitz
Look, I think Vivek is going to be very close to Ron.
ian crossland
He campaigned so hard.
alex bruesewitz
But look, money still matters.
And, you know, Vivek has probably been the most frugal of the top four candidates.
And he's putting up an interesting fight.
But Ron wasted almost $100 million and is probably going to be very close to Vivek in the race.
tim pool
So should I play this video?
alex bruesewitz
You have to play this video.
tim pool
All right, here we go.
European name, Steinhauser.
unidentified
There's been some confusion over your last name and the pronunciation, and I'm just wondering, to correct the record, what is it?
tim pool
Oh, it's ridiculous, these stupid things.
unidentified
Listen, the way to pronounce my last name... Winner.
tim pool
I'm sorry, man.
unidentified
I don't know who's advising this guy.
luke rudkowski
You're picking on a guy that has autism.
Stop it, please.
Leave him alone.
alex bruesewitz
You're a pro at this.
Is that clip going viral tonight?
phil labonte
Oh, yo, yo.
Guys, guys, guys.
tim pool
Nikki Haley is within 16 votes of beating Ron DeSantis.
phil labonte
Wow.
alex bruesewitz
She's going to.
Ron's going to finish in third place.
Look, if he was a smart guy, he drops out tomorrow morning, endorses President Trump, tucks his tail between his legs, goes back to Tallahassee.
ian crossland
I think you're right, man.
benny johnson
I mean, here's a question.
So Ron's gone hard in the pain against Trump, right?
Like, I haven't missed this on the campaign trail.
I can't pay attention to everything everyone says, but Ron's gone real hard.
He's ran directly at Trump.
How do you take that back?
luke rudkowski
Right?
benny johnson
How do you then endorse the guy?
ian crossland
Well, I think it's expected in politics.
I mean, maybe not.
Maybe not.
Because trashing your opponent is different than explaining why you're the best.
unidentified
But also, we've seen people get trashed by Trump and then endorse him.
It's not exactly the same.
But people have very clearly humiliated them.
luke rudkowski
Lying Ted Cruz.
unidentified
Yeah.
He knocked Ted Cruz's wife, too.
luke rudkowski
Like, he did some pretty awful things.
unidentified
Hold on.
Hold on.
Guys.
Guys.
tim pool
He called Ted Cruz lying Ted?
And then after the fight was over, it changed to LION.
And then it was like, it was honorable.
alex bruesewitz
To be clear, Ted Cruz did not endorse President Trump for this cycle, so Ted still has an amount.
tim pool
Nikki Haley is within two votes of beating Ron DeSantis.
ian crossland
I think the best thing Ron can do is support the party, and not support, necessarily, I mean, he could go support Trump, but I mean, you gotta party unity at some point.
And maybe they'll make amends, you know, I don't think they dislike each other personally.
benny johnson
Is it still 1% of the vote in?
tim pool
1% of votes are in.
I mean, hey, it's early.
I think we're gonna start getting big chunks, and it's gonna jump up faster and faster as the night- we're getting closer to 8 o'clock.
I do think it's funny they already called it for Trump, though.
ian crossland
That's weird.
benny johnson
Like, instantly, they called it.
tim pool
Yeah, with less than 1% of the vote in, they're like, eh, he won.
You know what's funny is because they're saying that it's been called by the AP before most were in, which means it was based on polls.
It's probably just some dude at the AP being like, guys, there's no way anyone else is winning.
Just say Trump won.
unidentified
It's like, I want to go home.
tim pool
Let's just get out of here.
ian crossland
These caucus things, people just go and then they vote, but like anyone can go and vote.
alex bruesewitz
You have to be registered.
ian crossland
So you can register.
Are they paying people to go do it?
Like is DeSantis 99 million partly like, We're gonna make sure that you've got a car to the caucus, that you can get there early.
alex bruesewitz
They imported the entire cabinet and government agency staffers of the state of Florida to go door-to-door in, you know, this frigid temperature and beg people to go caucus for Ron.
You know, it obviously didn't work out too well for them.
A lot of out-of-staters showing up at somebody's door in Iowa.
The Iowans, you know, don't really appreciate that a whole lot.
unidentified
That was the emergency evacuation plan?
ian crossland
I've spent a lot of time with Vivek.
I've talked to him multiple times, four or five times, and I've been insulated in his campaign in the last week.
I thought there was a shot that maybe he would come up on top.
This, to me, is like, I'm done with this Republican political debacle.
Trump's got it.
Trump's got it.
tim pool
Trump's the nominee.
Look, Trump has gone from 70 at less than 1% with the race called for him.
He's now at 57.7%.
Even if Ron, Nikki, and Viveks were all added up, they're still not beating Donald Trump.
ian crossland
He's too famous.
He's so famous.
What about Ryan Bailey?
unidentified
Can we see what Cruz is at?
I'm actually curious.
Has he gotten as... No, there's zero for other.
Chris Christie, sorry, not Cruz.
tim pool
Hey, four?
unidentified
Chris Christie has four.
tim pool
What if Chris Christie flies up those four people and has dinner with them?
He's like, thank you so much for thinking of me.
ian crossland
We did the right thing.
benny johnson
We had a request in, because we call him Crisp Crispy, on my show, and we had a request in to go to a Krispy Kreme that's right down the street from my studio and to eat... Nikki Haley's beating Ron DeSantis!
alex bruesewitz
How sad.
The bird brain will be much easier to destroy than Ron, by the way.
We haven't even started on Nikki.
tim pool
Look, Democrats, the rumor is, and I would warn everyone, don't fall for this trap should it be like Rhino Republicans or whatever establishment shills, but the argument right now is that Democrats are crossing party lines to vote for Nikki.
If it goes to a general election, they're not going to vote for Nikki.
So she might get higher percentages in the primary process, she's not going to get in the general.
ian crossland
That sounds like really, really... Dirty.
Yeah, you go in, you register as a Republican, you caucus for the wrong person, and then you can switch back to Democrat afterwards?
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Come on, that's insane!
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's so stupid.
unidentified
That's Cheney's political career.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
That can't be allowed going forward.
I mean, you register, you register.
tim pool
But what can you do about it?
I don't know.
So it's 2023.
You're like, I don't want Trump to win.
Register as a Republican.
A year later, you go in caucus for someone else.
And then you, in general, can vote for whoever you want.
Or you switch parties after the caucus is over.
ian crossland
And that's because a Republican can vote for a Democrat in general?
tim pool
No, because you can register for whatever party you want.
You can change party affiliation.
You're free to do so.
It's free speech.
It's free association or whatever.
alex bruesewitz
Tim, do you think that all the Twitter bots for Ron were able to vote in the Iowa caucus?
tim pool
No.
Yeah, I do think, I think Ron decided to campaign.
I don't, I don't, I will say this, I don't know for sure.
I'm not accusing him of doing anything, but I will say it does, it does seem most people would agree.
That a lot of the pro-detainees' accounts online are bots.
I don't know if that's the way the campaign or not, but you see they'll have some generic name with a gator in the name, they'll have some kind of cartoon character as the profile picture, and they all respond in the exact same ways.
And I'm just like, it is not organic.
At least the Trump people say weird things or insult you in different ways.
Like who?
unidentified
Like you!
tim pool
MAGA guy 519 or whatever will write bots.
ian crossland
Yeah, you're right.
alex bruesewitz
I guess I do that.
tim pool
The DeSantis campaign walked right into so much of this, I mean... That's wild.
It was just like... Maybe it's a little crass or whatever, but that photo was posted of DeSantis' people and Christina Pasha had her knees made red in Photoshop or whatever.
alex bruesewitz
I didn't get that, what did that mean?
tim pool
After that, it was like, that was the moment where I noticed she went from DMing with people I knew, we were talking with her about having her or her detainees come on the show.
After that photo came out, it was like just the gates of hell had been unleashed.
And I think that broke her.
alex bruesewitz
It appeared to me that she was using campaign resources to settle personal scores.
And she had a lot of the campaign assets and folks just went to battle for her instead of actually doing something that was helpful to the candidate.
tim pool
This is crazy.
benny johnson
They keep pulling ahead.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
That's what it looks like, unfortunately.
Wow.
tim pool
She's up 23 votes so far on DeSantis.
alex bruesewitz
So if Ron drops to 10%, that would be $10 million per percentage point.
That's not good.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Wow.
That's so much money.
benny johnson
Who spent more, Nikki or Ron, in Iowa?
alex bruesewitz
Ron.
Ron put all of the eggs in Iowa.
He had his entire ground game here.
He bragged about how great their operation was here.
Never backed down.
His super PAC had their bus here basically the entire campaign.
They pulled out of New Hampshire many months ago.
And his whole campaign was reliant on Iowa.
And that's why he sought the endorsements of Steve Deese and Bob Vander Plaats and these people who were once considered Iowan kingmakers.
And I don't think any campaign is going to be seeking their endorsements next go-around.
tim pool
You know, it's kind of wild to have been someone.
Look, a year and almost two years ago, I'm hanging out with the Daily Wire crew, a story I've told a million times, and we're talking about why we think Ron DeSantis is the guy.
It's well before Trump was back in the race.
A lot of things changed since then.
And we're like, Ron's young.
He's got energy.
He's got great policy.
He's really working for Florida.
Everyone's really excited by him.
And then as time went on, we got a little more disenfranchised.
It got to the point where I was like, yeah, I'm kind of 50-50.
I think Trump's back.
His speech was pretty good.
I like Ron DeSantis.
We'll see what happens.
alex bruesewitz
I just got a text from Wesley Hunt's Chief of Staff.
A Ron DeSantis supporter just charged Wesley while he was A Trump surrogate at caucus location.
Video coming soon.
Whoa.
These folks aren't handling the loss well.
I hope Wesley's okay.
benny johnson
They'll never back down.
phil labonte
That's right.
tim pool
Here's what I want to say about, like, there was a period where Ron DeSantis... Thank you.
benny johnson
Thank you.
I'm a father of three.
Shout out to my dad jokes.
I really appreciate it.
Any fathers in the audience, I really appreciate the appreciation of the dad joke.
Thank you.
tim pool
Ron was winning in the prediction markets handily, like two to one against Trump.
Over time, Ron started doing worse and worse.
So someone like me, I start making apt points about how his campaign is being run.
His launch was bad.
He lacked charisma.
And even after all that, I still say, I like the guy.
He's got good policy.
He's got to turn this around.
And what do they respond with?
Attacking anyone who would dare criticize his failing campaign.
Now we're at the point where we're like, this guy has totally failed.
There are a lot of personalities who tied their hitch to the Desantis wagon, and no matter how bad things got, they kept saying, no, he's the best, no, I refuse to back down.
benny johnson
A very bad day, Bob.
Bad day, Bob.
tim pool
What are they going to do?
Are they going to try and come back and be like, MAGA, please take me back into your warm bosom, I'm sorry I supported this guy whose campaign was miserable?
alex bruesewitz
Or they do a Lincoln Project type group, and I don't really want some of those folks on our side.
become a detriment of Ron. I don't want, I mean, I don't really want a lot of his
people being advocates for us out there. Like, normal people look at some
of these people like they think they're weird. So I hope they stay far away from
ian crossland
Trump world moving forward. I would love to make it less about who and more about
what we do moving forward as a union. Like, this making the America great, again,
like we do it constantly.
We've made this country great.
Let's do it again.
Let's reinvigorate the country with new technology and give the 21st century a run for its money.
To be honest, I don't even care who the president is, if they're willing to do that.
alex bruesewitz
I think this is a great message.
And I think some of these numbers are going to hold pretty, pretty closely here.
And President Trump, I believe we'll get over 50%.
And that is a mandate.
The voters want President Trump.
He's going to go on to win New Hampshire, go on to win South Carolina.
This primary should end.
We should come together and focus our fight on Joe Biden.
tim pool
This is interesting.
Johnson County, Nikki Haley has the lead.
benny johnson
If I may, I'm from Johnson County.
This is where the University of Iowa is.
This is one of the largest centralized liberal populations in Iowa.
And this is what the polling showed, that Joe Biden voters support Nikki Haley.
tim pool
And these are Democrats voting in their Republican... This is liberal land, right there.
benny johnson
This is the college town, like, communist Marxist professors.
Take a look at this.
Johnson County, that's... Story County.
That is.
tim pool
Nikki Haley is winning in Story County.
benny johnson
Also a college county.
tim pool
And Vivek is in second.
benny johnson
That's Ames, that's the University of, uh, that's Iowa State.
ian crossland
Why do you think it is that the Democrats generally are supporting Nikki Haley?
benny johnson
Same policies as Joe Biden?
luke rudkowski
It's Hillary Clinton.
She's a war hawk.
unidentified
2.0.
tim pool
But she's not even like... Joe Biden with a wig on?
It's not even a joke to be like, haha, she's like Hillary.
It's like, no, she's literally got the same policies.
benny johnson
Joe Biden wears a wig.
alex bruesewitz
You know, Nikki Haley gets offended if you call illegal aliens criminals.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex bruesewitz
You know, she says climate change is a national security threat.
benny johnson
Nikki Haley is straight up on video multiple times saying that Hillary Clinton's her hero!
ian crossland
And she worked with Trump.
She was his ambassador to the UN, that's what it was.
luke rudkowski
She was appointed by Trump, yeah.
benny johnson
She raised her hand one time.
ian crossland
And then, was she okay?
Was she cool then?
Was she the same?
alex bruesewitz
Look, it's kind of a bullshit role.
I think we should...
Defund the U.N.
I think we should be out of the U.N.
So you just put somebody there that wants the title, but they don't really do a whole lot.
ian crossland
It's part of that liberal economic order, world police thing.
alex bruesewitz
I think, look, I think President Trump has been pretty open to the idea of getting out of the U.N.
and pulling out of, like, it's, it benefits us nothing, zero.
So, you know.
tim pool
I want to, I want to jump to a story.
We'll keep the results tracking, but this is big news.
And as we're talking about Nikki Haley, I think it's important to bring up this video.
Now I'm not 100% sure this is the correct video.
benny johnson
Not an accurate video.
That's from 2021.
tim pool
That's not an accurate video.
Okay, good.
Thank you for pointing that out.
We have this report from ABC News.
Houthi fired missile strikes a U.S.-owned vessel off Yemen in the Gulf of Aden, raising tensions.
So we're now hearing not only is the U.S.
and the U.K.
bombing the Houthi rebels, they're firing on U.S.-owned ships, they've fired on U.S.
warships.
War is escalating in a very, very dangerous fashion.
Even if it doesn't get crazier, From this point, and this is the level it's at, trade is going to be heavily affected.
The cost of your goods is going to go up.
Nikki Haley is the candidate of more war, foreign intervention, and lying about it the whole way through.
This is why, as I know we're supposed to be this honorable news program checking the results.
No, Nikki Haley is awful.
Don't vote for her.
I hope she loses.
Otherwise, World War III.
benny johnson
So, Jason Miller, the Trump campaign ruled out today Uh, Vivek as VP.
But did not rule out Nikki when asked.
tim pool
Wait, wait, hold on.
But break this down for me.
What do you mean?
benny johnson
I saw the clip.
He was asked, could Nikki Haley presumably be the VP?
And he's like, that's in the cards.
Or something to that effect, if he didn't rule it out.
tim pool
Why?
benny johnson
Well, there could be two things here.
And same with Laura Trump or Kimberly Guilfoyle.
luke rudkowski
If you look at all the establishment political analysts, they're going to Trump and they're telling him it makes sense.
For Trump not to say yes or no also makes sense for him because he could essentially stop Nikki from attacking him during this election cycle by possibly maybe giving her a possibility and therefore she's going to have to be careful with the criticism that she launches against him.
Strategically, when you look at the situation, anything and everything is plausible here, but I think as independent media, we need to send out the message that Nikki Haley is horrible.
She is awful.
We talked to Tucker Carlson specifically about this, and I asked him, would you support a Trump-Nikki ticket?
And Tucker Carlson said, absolutely not.
I think we need that message out there more than ever.
tim pool
He said more than that.
benny johnson
He said, I'd beat the protest against that.
alex bruesewitz
I can say this.
Trump has always promised that he will fight who's ever in second place.
And for the longest time, Ron DeSantis was in second place.
And so Nikki Haley didn't face the ire.
But if you're starting to pay attention now, Trump's up, his super PAC's done a couple million dollars
in attack ads against Nikki Haley in New Hampshire.
And there's a ton of material.
Nikki Haley's been public office for over 20 years.
She's 20 years of baggage you're gonna go through, 20 years of stupid statements
and terrible policies that she supported.
And she's about to feel the heat because she's in second now
and she's not gonna enjoy being in second.
Who knows if she's there for long.
Maybe Vivek is the last man standing ultimately after, you know, besides Trump.
luke rudkowski
Has Trump attacked Nikki?
alex bruesewitz
Oh yeah, he calls her birdbrain.
He thinks that she's a stupid person, so he calls her birdbrain.
unidentified
It's not wrong.
alex bruesewitz
There's great ads up right now showcasing Nikki being more concerned about protecting the feelings of illegal aliens than protecting our borders.
She really doesn't want you to call illegal aliens criminals.
She's incredibly weak and you're gonna see a lot more of that I'd assume now that she's firmly in second place.
ian crossland
I think Trump is the incumbent.
It's like a second term president.
So like at this point I hope that he focuses on what and telling us what he wants to do next like it is very Well, you can go to Agenda 47.
alex bruesewitz
Go to DonaldJTrump.com and go to Agenda 47.
Every policy position for his next term, for next administration, and I can promise you that he's already been doing a great job of looking at staffing for the next administration because that was something that, you know, it could have been a little bit better in his first term, obviously, and he's taking it very seriously for this next term.
ian crossland
Way better the first time.
But I get it.
They were like, I think Don Jr.
was on the show being like, you know, you get in there the first time, you're like, whoa, we won.
We've got three weeks to staff this.
People are telling you, pick this guy, pick this guy, pick this guy.
And you're like, I guess I'll go with.
alex bruesewitz
So I think we assumed that you have an R in front of your name.
You're on our team.
That's what we thought.
And, you know, he got in there and then early on you learn that that's not the case.
And so, um, He found out who his friends were, he found out who he can trust, who he can put in these positions, and he's had four years to think about it.
He calls this period that we're in right now a pause period, and you know, he's very excited to get back in there.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, his VP pick is going to be crucial.
It's going to be absolutely critically important to see his trajectory, and for my vantage point, an anti-establishment figure makes more sense than an establishment figure, because if Someone in the establishment, they're just gonna take him out.
It's quick.
It's easy.
The CIA has heart attack guns decades and decades ago.
unidentified
It's guaranteed.
luke rudkowski
If it's a very strong anti-establishment person, they're gonna have to think twice.
It has to be someone more radical than him.
It has to be someone who's willing to speak on the issues a lot more aggressively than he is and also kind of be different than him when it comes to some of the things that also divide his base.
benny johnson
You mean Tucker Carlson?
phil labonte
Yes.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
tim pool
But let's talk about what we got right now.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
If Ron DeSantis... Michael Malice tweeted, shoutout to Michael Malice, he says he doesn't see how Ron DeSantis can continue if he comes in third behind Nikki Haley.
There's a little bit more context there.
But it's an interesting question about what happens now in New Hampshire, where, supposedly, she's polling at 30%.
alex bruesewitz
In a CNN poll.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know if I believe that.
alex bruesewitz
St.
Anselm has her at 22 and Trump up 26.
The 530 aggregate is 30.3% of Trump's 43.4.
That's shocking.
tim pool
in the CNN poll. The 530 aggregate is 30.3% of Trump's 43.4.
unidentified
That's shocking.
benny johnson
Are Democrats allowed to be in New Hampshire? I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah they are. And that may be...
alex bruesewitz
And independents.
What's going on in New Hampshire?
They're factoring an incredibly high turnout.
I think the record turnout for Democrats in a Republican primary is like 35%
with Democrats and independents.
tim pool
I do want to just point out, man, Free State Project.
Guys, what are you doing?
What's going on in New Hampshire?
Voting for Nikki Haley?
alex bruesewitz
It's a weird state.
It's a great state, but they have Governor Sununu currently as governor, and he is a rhino's rhino.
He endorsed Nikki Haley too.
tim pool
So with that polling, I don't see Nikki Haley dropping out.
unidentified
I don't see... Ron DeSantis is polling... And Nikki's got money coming in.
alex bruesewitz
Ron's got money running away from him.
What person would be dumb enough to invest in Ron DeSantis after this performance?
tim pool
I'm just... Man, Rhonda Sanders really just set himself ablaze and ended his career.
alex bruesewitz
I just look forward to reading all the obituaries written about his campaign tomorrow.
tim pool
They're gonna... He's done.
alex bruesewitz
Yeah.
tim pool
Now look, he's still within, like, what, 17 votes of Nikki Haley.
If he finishes in second, he might be able to limp on.
alex bruesewitz
But he's going in the wrong direction.
tim pool
Well, no, I mean, it was actually a little bit worse a moment ago.
alex bruesewitz
Okay.
tim pool
So we'll see, but he's down, he's down, he's down.
We will see.
Trump's already got 12 delegates, they're saying.
So, we'll see, man.
But it's kind of sad, isn't it?
The promise of Ron DeSantis and his governorship.
But I do think it's fair to point out two things.
The reason why Florida's doing so well, everyone likes to tribute everything to the executive.
It's the legislature.
Florida's got great representatives and state senators.
alex bruesewitz
It's a ruby red state.
tim pool
And that, right, when these people pass bills, Ron DeSantis gets to sign them.
benny johnson
Here's one to watch, the governor's race, the gubernatorial race.
tim pool
Oh, Ron DeSantis has taken second place!
unidentified
Okay, wow, yeah.
tim pool
There we go!
Look at that.
Now he's actually up by, what, 17?
Hey, it could turn around for him.
Maybe he'll build a limp.
But anyway, continue.
Sorry, Benny.
benny johnson
Oh, it's just, it...
So now that Florida is a ruby red state with a ton of power and then projected power, right?
So when the census comes, the state will get four new congressional seats and so forth and the governor will be insanely powerful.
Ron cannot run constitutionally and that race is already heating up in the state of Florida as a Florida resident for who's going to take that role.
You're gonna see some big names throw their hats in.
tim pool
What does Ron do after this?
benny johnson
I have no idea.
alex bruesewitz
I mean, everyone thought... Well, he started this new college in Florida called New College of Florida, and it's like the new Hillsdale College.
tim pool
Is that for real?
alex bruesewitz
He will likely appoint himself to the president of that role.
benny johnson
Can you explain to me where Rob came from, calling him Rob?
alex bruesewitz
Just to mess with him.
And again, that's something that's so stupid, but they got so upset about it.
tim pool
Yeah, the trolling from you guys was making them insane.
unidentified
You got to know the Chinese It's not just the trolling, literally any even slight constructive criticism of Ron was met with his campaign people online diving all over you.
benny johnson
So, this is what's fascinating.
I know ALX, my executive producer, comes on the show with regularity.
This is something that we would track all the time, obviously.
is when we did it, and it's not just trolling, you said slight trolling.
unidentified
Yeah, not even slight trolling, like constructive feedback.
benny johnson
So when something, when we didn't say something about like a big news story about Ron DeSantis, we'd get trolled.
So when Kim Reynolds endorsed Ron DeSantis, there was a bunch of stuff going on, we didn't mention it in our feed, and the entire DeSantis team came scorched earth for us.
Like, tagging us, naming us, because we didn't talk about Ronji.
You didn't like my post!
Right, it's crazy, man!
unidentified
That's insane.
benny johnson
Yeah, so it's not just trolling him, not even if you just didn't talk about him.
unidentified
Not acknowledging him.
benny johnson
That's right.
luke rudkowski
Wow.
benny johnson
It's very Mean Girls energy.
It was very, like, prepudescent, like, high school acne energy.
unidentified
I've never seen a campaign like it in my life.
I've never seen anything like it.
benny johnson
Yeah, so that's my question, I guess, for the table, is have we seen anything this bad before?
Have we ever seen a candidate with such high hopes fall so spectacularly?
ian crossland
Jeb Bush?
alex bruesewitz
To make matters worse, Jeb Bush's senior advisors were trolling Ron DeSantis two days ago.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Well, look, Ron is now up by 65.
ian crossland
This is more spectacular than the Jeb Bush thing.
Jeb actually, at least, was running against the first time.
They're running against an incumbent, so it's kind of like, what's the point?
This guy's got it in the bag.
It's his second term.
unidentified
But I think the thing with Jeb's campaign is, you know, the big problem is it was... Jeb?
In his campaign like who's gonna you know it's Jeff Bush I love that so many issues with him but when when Ron DeSantis and particularly when he was first running before everyone had this bad taste in their mouth left by his campaign.
It was like his to lose in a sense.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was a super hero.
unidentified
And it was his campaign came and his people just totally destroyed any momentum.
tim pool
You know, look, look, for the longest time I've, uh, not just I, but many have been talking, talking about where are the young, where, where are the millennials to step up and enter politics?
Uh, or even Gen Xers because for the longest time we have, like, what do we have?
Like septic and octogenarians all throughout Congress.
benny johnson
Yeah.
tim pool
And the issue is, I've been saying that it seems like, for whatever reason, the Millennial generation doesn't take their role seriously.
They don't view themselves as leaders, as people should be in charge.
And when you look at the Ron DeSantis campaign, it is the made-for-home movie version of, say, Home Alone.
Like, Home Alone 1 and 2.
Classics, Ron DeSantis campaign, Home Alone 3.
Have you guys seen Home Alone 3?
ian crossland
No, what is it?
unidentified
It's kind of a joke.
tim pool
It's kind of a joke, but I mean it as an actual analogy.
In the first movie, and you have Donald Trump in the second movie, one reason I bring him up as examples, it is a high quality production with music, acting, it's memorable, it's a classic film.
Catherine O'Hara.
Right.
John Candy, I believe, right?
I don't know.
benny johnson
That was number one.
tim pool
That was number one, right.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And then in Home Alone 3, it's some B-list actors.
Scarlett Johansson's actually in it in like a very small role, so hey, shout out to her.
Oh, no way.
Okay, the first one is, a kid gets left home, shenanigans ensues.
That's about it.
Burglars try to come in, he's trying to fight them off.
Home Alone 3 is, an international band of terrorists are stealing nuclear missile codes from some device of some sort, and he has to stop them, but his mom is home.
And it's just, it's low quality, it's garbage.
So, now that I've made the silly joke...
I've mentioned this, when Barack Obama, watch his announcement speech, when he's announcing that he's running for president, back in, what was it, like end of 07 or 08 or whatever, I don't even remember.
He's standing in front of a crowd of 10-20 thousand people, and he does this very charismatic thing, where he goes, and that is why, I, Barack Obama, I'M RUNNING FOR THE UNITED STATES!
And then the crowd just goes wild, they're screaming.
It's just a historic moment.
Ron DeSantis announces his candidacy on a crashing Twitter space going, well I'm here to lead the great American comeback.
And that was it.
And it cut out.
We couldn't hear it.
There's no video.
There's no crowd.
There's no rally.
There is no historical moment other than the failure of it.
benny johnson
It's so poorly done.
Also, Luke, I need that notepad to play out exactly what Ron DeSantis did, because I was listening to it.
The first one crashed.
Then they restarted the space.
Did you join the second space?
Did anybody here listen to the second space?
So the second space, what you hear is the actual... That space didn't crash, and you hear Ron DeSantis reading, from a notepad, his speech.
Which, fine, read a speech.
Most politicians do read speeches.
But you don't do that on a Twitter space!
unidentified
Yeah.
benny johnson
You're stupid!
Why would you do that on Twitter?
Like, why don't you even understand the medium you're talking on?
So I'm going on Tim Pool IRL.
That's the show I'm on right now.
tim pool
TimCast IRL.
benny johnson
TimCast IRL.
And why would I, like, what you don't do on this show is play a xylophone, right?
And that's not... I mean... That's a great night on Friday.
Ian might actually do that.
alex bruesewitz
If you got one, I'm 100%.
benny johnson
Why don't you study the medium that you're on?
But he just started into a scripted speech.
It made no sense.
I was like, he's done.
He's doomed.
I was listening to it in our kitchen with my wife.
I was like, he's doomed.
He's over.
unidentified
We played it on air.
alex bruesewitz
Team DeSantis is claiming the election is rigged.
ian crossland
Who?
alex bruesewitz
Wait, what?
Jeremy Redfern.
I'm at a precinct that hasn't even voted yet and the media is trying to call the race for Trump.
ian crossland
So they're well, I'm only trying to stop the steal. So it was weird to see Trump at one percent.
alex bruesewitz
This is his official press secretary from his official office, and, you know, there's ethics issues, but we're not going to bring that up.
tim pool
Here's the tweet.
I'm at a precinct that hasn't even voted yet, and the media are trying to call the race for Trump.
benny johnson
It happens all the time.
Yeah, it happens all the time.
tim pool
Right.
unidentified
Yeah, it's only 3% reporting.
benny johnson
Actually, especially in states with different time zones.
So, like, the other half of the state, if the time zone splits in a state, like, you'll call the state, and half the state hasn't even voted yet.
tim pool
That happens.
Oh, is this a tweet from Wesley Hunt getting attacked?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh wow, let me, uh... You tweet, or Wesley Hunt tweeted this.
alex bruesewitz
Yeah.
benny johnson
Is it violent?
alex bruesewitz
Uh, I didn't watch it all the way through.
unidentified
Let's, uh, let's pull up this clip.
tim pool
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
This is a tweet from Wesley Hunt.
Let me slow down here.
benny johnson
Great dude, by the way.
tim pool
He says, Tonight, at the Timberline Caucus, as I spoke on behalf of President Trump, an enraged man attempted to stop my speech.
He shouted, Trump was racist.
You know, the same tired Trump we've heard over and over.
But on this day, of all days, Martin Luther King Day, the people of Iowa, just like President Trump, judge me not by the color of my skin, but by the content of my character.
The anti-Trump movement is in full-blown meltdown.
unidentified
So, let me, uh, let's play this.
Well, it's four minutes.
tim pool
Do we know it?
alex bruesewitz
About a minute and a half in.
tim pool
Minute and a half?
luke rudkowski
And this is from someone on the DeSantis team?
alex bruesewitz
They say he was a DeSantis supporter.
unidentified
Thank you.
ian crossland
Now, I'm a military guy by trade.
unidentified
I come from a military family.
My dad's a retired colonel.
My brother went to West Point first in my family.
tim pool
I went to West Point.
unidentified
My brother went to West Point.
There were 60 years before the families He rushes the court.
What? What's going on?
What?
Wow!
What did he say?
Wow.
What did he say?
luke rudkowski
So how do you know this guy is connected to DeSantis?
alex bruesewitz
I'll just say this was a text I got.
He said, a DeSantis supporter.
tim pool
He said, how could you do this on Martin Luther King Jr.
Day or something like that?
Is that a white guy?
unidentified
No, that's not.
luke rudkowski
I mean, me and Seamus had more serious arguments than that.
unidentified
I don't see skin color.
tim pool
Is the guy who's yelling at Wesleyan also a black man?
alex bruesewitz
He appears to be.
tim pool
Right, it's hard to tell.
But is that his point?
That Wesley Hunt is betraying Martin Luther King or whatever or something like this?
unidentified
But how?
ian crossland
Who knows?
He said something that bothered the audience, but we missed it.
tim pool
It was a little bit before.
How dare you?
He's racist or something like that.
ian crossland
Shout out to Martin Luther King.
Let's uphold his vision.
tim pool
Well, I think he's getting a lot of flack right now.
I think the important thing to recognize, too, is there's a lot of people in history People need to know the truth about, and if you don't really pay attention, you might just believe the simple things of them.
A good example is like Che Guevara.
Like, that dude was like a really bad guy, but young people just wear his shirt all the time because they don't pay attention.
That being said, Martin Luther King Jr.
has had some great points, but I'm not going to sit here and try and adjudicate the whole debate that's been going on.
But a big thing happening right now is criticism of MLK over a lot of stuff that he was involved in.
I don't know.
I don't know enough about it.
luke rudkowski
The FBI knows about it, since they were spying on him and then recording his private conversations with his mistresses and then playing it to his wife when he was in jail, trying to, of course, get them divorced, as, of course, a court in Memphis actually found the U.S.
government complicit in the assassination of MLK.
tim pool
Well, take a look at this.
It's on Twitter, on X.
The FBI tweeted, This MLK Day the FBI honors one of the most prominent
leaders of the civil rights movement and reaffirms its commitment to Dr. King's legacy of
fairness and equal justice for all.
There's a community note that reads, The FBI engaged in surveillance of King, attempted to discredit
him, and used manipulation tactics to influence him to stop
organizing.
King's family believe the FBI was responsible for his death.
luke rudkowski
So, shout out to community notes on X. It's not that they believe.
There was an actual court case in Memphis in 1999 that looked at all the evidence and a jury found the U.S.
government complicit in the assassination of MLK.
ian crossland
They paid a civil fee.
luke rudkowski
They won $100, but the $100 was just for the court proceedings to kind of move forward.
tim pool
I got some bad news for you, Alex.
Ron's actually pulled ahead of Nikki by a good amount.
alex bruesewitz
Well, we'll see what happens.
luke rudkowski
As long as Nikki loses tonight, I'll be happy.
Otherwise, I kind of really don't care.
unidentified
The idea of anyone losing to Nikki Haley is just so depressing.
tim pool
Aw, poor Vivek.
unidentified
I honestly, it even makes me sad to see Chris Christie lose to Nikki.
It's just like, so brutal.
ian crossland
There's only one winner, and that's whoever gets the most.
So that's, there's no, everyone's a loser except for DJT at this rate.
unidentified
First, you're last.
benny johnson
Don't want to let this slip.
The FBI pre-wrote the suicide note for MLK.
Is that correct?
luke rudkowski
Yep.
And they were encouraging him to take his own life when he was going through a difficult time.
They sent letters saying, you gotta off yourself, you gotta kill yourself, you're a horrible person because of so-and-so.
ian crossland
Signed FBI or what?
luke rudkowski
No, no, the FBI literally was running PsyOps on MLK.
benny johnson
Where do I know this?
The FBI is on files.
So the FBI has released these files and they have like, they're available on the FBI website.
luke rudkowski
And the agents who did this were never held accountable.
So this was the beginning stages of the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover, who also was a person who was probably being extorted as well for the dresses that he was wearing.
But that's the start of the FBI.
What are they doing?
alex bruesewitz
Rfkjr was just asked about the wiretapping recently and he defended JFK and Rfkjr's wiretapping of MLK.
Wow!
luke rudkowski
He said he needed to do it.
Which is crazy.
alex bruesewitz
He's in a tough spot.
luke rudkowski
There's something strange happening to R.F.B.
Jr.
I don't know what's happening to R.F.B.
Jr., but there has been a huge turnaround in his kind of team that is very kind of bewildering.
He was on, admittedly, and we found this out through the documents, but before the documents came out, he said he was on the Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein and his wife all the way back in the early 1990s.
And that's what he admitted to.
benny johnson
His father was Attorney General overseeing the FBI's operations and so he's being asked to defend his late father.
Right, I suppose.
Would be the... Bobby Kennedy?
What's actually going on, JFK Jr.
R.F.K.
Jr.
is being asked to defend his father's actions.
He must have signed off on this.
You'd have to assume.
I mean, I don't know.
But you'd have to assume in some level his father knew about what they were doing to MLK.
And so, R.F.K.
Jr.
in a tough spot.
I mean, it's your dad.
Who met his own untimely demise.
I mean, obviously, you know, tragically and horrifically.
luke rudkowski
So it's like... Probably at the hands of the intel agencies.
ian crossland
Yeah, they said it was Sirhan Sirhan, some wild guy in a kitchen, but...
alex bruesewitz
Fellas, I do have to bounce out to celebrate a victory.
tim pool
I appreciate you hanging out.
alex bruesewitz
As you can see, it was very close.
tim pool
We are waiting, hopefully Vivek can come by.
ian crossland
He's going to be here in a few minutes, according to text that I've been receiving.
tim pool
A few minutes!
ian crossland
I don't want to give false hope, but I think 8.15 was the call time, but we'll see.
tim pool
8.15 was the call time?
ian crossland
Yeah, so one minute ago.
alex bruesewitz
To Vivek's credit, between the three candidates that are behind Trump right now, He significantly spent less money and is probably over-performing that his predictions were early in the cycle.
tim pool
And also, Nikki Haley's voters?
A lot of them are probably Democrats.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So, you know, I don't even consider her votes to be actual... She's not convincing anybody but the Democratic Party to vote for Nikki Haley, Hillary.
luke rudkowski
Vivek also worked very hard hitting the ground gate here more than I think anyone else.
alex bruesewitz
And it's crazy, you know, when Ron DeSantis has an event and he meets people, the people that he meets typically don't like him.
What's this video with the guy in the wheelchair getting thrown out of the DeSantis event?
tim pool
What was that?
What's this video where the guy in the wheelchair getting thrown out of the DeSantis event?
alex bruesewitz
Yeah.
unidentified
What was that?
What?
alex bruesewitz
So there's a meme team, it's called the Dilly Meme Team, and this guy in a wheelchair showed up at a DeSantis event
wearing a Dilly Meme Team hat.
And because he didn't like his hat, he got rolled out of the event.
tim pool
And then there's the other guy, Matt Kim, is that his name?
alex bruesewitz
Yeah.
tim pool
He got kicked out as well?
benny johnson
Yeah, Matt Kim.
tim pool
These guys didn't do anything?
alex bruesewitz
They just showed up and obviously they're critical of DeSantis on the interweb.
tim pool
Man, I kind of wish I went to one of those events.
benny johnson
I texted you two photos from a caucus event of Nikki Haley voters and so you can give people sort of an image of I have- Do they have blue hair?
We have a production team here and they're at- Do you wanna- Can you tweet him?
tim pool
I can't pull him from my phone.
benny johnson
Got him.
tim pool
If you tweet him out yourself, I'll pull up your Twitter.
alex bruesewitz
God bless you all.
tim pool
Alright man, thanks for hanging out.
ian crossland
Thanks for coming out.
tim pool
I suppose if whoever's waiting in the wings wants to jump on while we're waiting for Vivek, unless he's here, you guys wanna rock, paper, scissors for it?
Josie's right here.
ian crossland
Alex Brusewitz, ladies and gentlemen.
tim pool
Josie the red-headed libertarian is jumping in.
unidentified
Josie, how's it going?
tim pool
I'm gonna pull up Benny Johnson's Twitter.
benny johnson
I'm tweeting it right now.
tim pool
He's tweeting it right now.
luke rudkowski
What's your analysis, Josie, on everything?
tim pool
Yeah, you're sitting there watching.
Grab that mic.
Talk to us.
josie glabach
I just want Nikki to lose tonight.
unidentified
Amen.
tim pool
Well, I think we're good.
I think if anything is worth celebrating, it's her defeat.
And look, there is a funny thing about watching Ron DeSantis lose to Nikki Haley, but I really want Nikki Haley to come in fourth.
I just want everyone to be like, nobody wants her.
phil labonte
Get out of here.
ian crossland
Is this because people are genuinely concerned that Trump will be taken off the ballot somehow?
Like, are people, is that actually like, I mean...
It's not a rhetorical question, but, like, is that... Well, is what?
unidentified
What do you mean?
The threat that Trump will either be removed legally... No, I know, but what do you think would, like, what would that explain?
ian crossland
Then the next runner-up would be the number one candidate, the front-runner for the Republican ticket.
tim pool
Cassandra Fairbanks had another tweet, too.
We have these images that we're showing of these Nikki Haley voters.
And it was a guy with a peace sign tattoo voting for Nikki Haley and Cassandra McDonald.
You know, she works here, she's great.
She was just like, how are you so dumb?
Like, Nikki Haley is the warmonger candidate.
unidentified
Like, what do you think's gonna happen?
It's probably because it's some old boomer Democrat with a peace tattoo from their hippie days.
tim pool
Yeah, now they're in the corporate chill days, I guess.
Unfortunately.
Yeah, but look, you know, if Nikki loses, which she's going to, there's no way she's winning, then we all have reason to celebrate, I guess, but it is what it is.
unidentified
Just say you're a misogynist, Tim.
tim pool
That's right.
Well, I suppose, hoping Vivek pops in any moment, let's talk about this story here.
We have this from Taylor Hanson.
Uh, Tenet Media shout out.
He tweets, I'm on my way home to Salt Lake City, Utah.
I noticed six illegal immigrants are also boarding the same American Air flight.
Looks like I've got some new neighbors.
I want to pull up, uh, I'll pull up the tweet.
Maybe they've, maybe they've pinned it.
I don't know where, uh, okay, Tenet's covering all the caucus stuff.
There's a video.
That, oh, holy crap, Iran has allegedly launched an attack on a U.S.
consulate in Iraq, is it?
luke rudkowski
Well, those were the original reports, but the Iranians are now saying that they're attacking a rebel group that is against Iran inside of Iraq.
So far, we have not gotten any confirmations that U.S.
targets were picked out here.
ian crossland
Oh, and Vivek was hitting another caucus site, so he may be much later.
tim pool
Well, we have this story from Tenet Media.
This is crazy.
We should definitely talk about this pertaining to the U.S.
elections.
Last night, Tenet reporter Taylor USA confronted multiple SATX police working a side gig where
they're helping facilitate human smuggling at the Migrant Resource Center in San Antonio,
Texas.
The officers are seen wearing their official SAPD uniforms, driving work vehicles and holstering
their service weapons while accepting money from alleged cartel-sponsored NGOs to guard
the facility and check illegal migrants wristbands upon entry.
We tended to reach out to SATX Police for comment on the situation and received no response.
This story's massive.
It's got 2.3 million views just on this single tweet alone.
And this is what I was talking about.
The fear of what happens when law enforcement is committing crimes.
What happens?
These are, what is it, San Antonio police?
Using police and publicly funded vehicles, weapons and equipment to help facilitate cartel, alleged cartel.
Human smuggling operations.
We got that report just last week.
The DOJ is suing Texas because Texas deployed armed soldiers to block CBP access to the river.
You now have a bubbling conflict between corrupt law enforcement facilitating human trafficking and smuggling and law enforcement at the state level trying to stop it.
Where does that go?
ian crossland
I defer to the states.
The states have a duty to defend themselves.
tim pool
Right, but what do you think happens if the federal government doesn't back down?
And what do you think happens if Nikki Haley wins?
ian crossland
It's an interesting conundrum for the federal government.
Hopefully, their goal is to support states' rights, ideally, as cohesion, and you don't want to press the states away.
And also, they're dealing with a geopolitical nightmare with this, like, you're talking about the Houthis, what's going on in Ukraine and Israel, all these things.
Hopefully, the United States does not push the issue on this.
I mean, Texas made very clear— What does that mean?
tim pool
The United States.
They are actively facilitating human smuggling into this country and have been for several years.
The charts show that it is, there's no way it's an accident.
The rates are double, triple, or quadruple what they were under Trump and under Obama.
So it's on purpose.
And the only state doing anything, somewhat, is Texas, while the other states do nothing.
ian crossland
Kind of made me think about the American Civil War.
I was thinking about the Emancipation Proclamation and how Abraham Lincoln was like, hey, all you slaves in the South, you're free.
And kind of like, and by the way, if you want to fight for the North, go for it.
All these illegal immigrants, if the federal government were like, hey, all you illegal immigrants, you can have citizenship.
If you want to fight for the federal government, if you know what I mean, kind of thing.
Like, if there's a... just to, like, disincentivize people from trying to create some sort of civil war in the United States.
tim pool
We talk about this quite a bit on the show, but we have you here, Benny.
I'm curious your thoughts on this border issue, right?
You've got state-level fighting with federal officers to the point where there are armed soldiers deployed against federal law enforcement.
benny johnson
So all of this goes back to the 1960s, Cloward and Piven and the communists who sort of wrote the neo-Marxist vision for America and how to bring Marxism to America, and one of the number one things you needed to do was Balloon the welfare state large enough so that it actually collapses the federal dollar and the federal government's capacity.
That's the number one way to create crisis.
America would never be conquered.
This was after World War II.
So how do you actually bring down a behemoth like America?
How do you bring down the beast that is America?
You have to destroy it from within.
You have to give it some type of horrible malady and something that is so insufferable that it can't move forward.
And so their idea was, Swell the welfare rolls, which you saw with the Great Society Program, swell the welfare rolls so big that the federal government can never afford it.
And then that will create, of course, the millstones of high taxation and inflation that grind the middle class, and you get no middle class.
And so the way that you swell the welfare rolls is to bring people here that don't speak the language, that have no skills, that can't get jobs or are having a tough time, you know, or can't work legally, but are accessible, are able to get on welfare programs.
And California is leading the way in this.
And that's the way that you actually collapse the United States of America.
I think that's the ultimate strategy here.
A lot of people are like, well, they'll vote Democrat.
I think fine.
Yes, maybe.
Yes.
But the real goal is the collapse of the country as we know it.
And that was the vision set out by the theorists, the Marxist theorists, neo-Marxist theorists, who Barack Obama is the acolyte of.
ian crossland
Do you think that they're making this decision to let these people in on accident?
That it's, like, toxically compassionate, or are they actively trying to destroy the country?
benny johnson
It's not compassionate.
It's child smuggling.
It's the most horrific thing that a human being can do to another human being.
I mean, it's awful what's happening.
ian crossland
I guess, but once they hit the border, they're, like, at this point, they're here.
The idea that, like, well, we can't turn them away, that kind of toxic— That is what creates it.
tim pool
Why not?
benny johnson
Like, why can't you turn them away?
I mean, you can, but— Every other country in the world turns away I mean, go check out the border with Egypt and Gaza.
tim pool
But it's not just that, and that is true, Egypt and Gaza is a great example.
It's not just that, it's why the U.S.
doesn't pay ransom to terrorists in the Middle East.
It is well known, for the most part, I don't know, Biden may have changed some of this, that if you are traveling around, I don't know, Syria or something, and you get kidnapped, and you're an American citizen, the people who kidnapped you know the U.S.
doesn't pay.
They send a bunch of heavily armed dudes from a Blackhawk in the middle of the night to kill you and anyone in the building with you.
But European countries will pay the ransoms instantly.
What happens?
If you're Spanish or German, you're a huge target.
If you're a journalist from Spain or Germany, a national, and you're traveling around the Middle East, they are looking at you.
You cost four million dollars.
They know, like, that's the guy to get.
Then there's an American next to them, and they go, nah, not that guy.
They'll just kill you.
If the U.S.
is basically saying, borders open, if you're here, I guess you're here, what happens?
Some dude in Honduras goes, well, if I go there, they'll let me in.
Might as well go.
If the strategy was, we've blocked it off, turn around, good luck, you're on your own, not our problem.
Guy in Honduras would be like, there's no point in traveling a thousand miles, they're gonna turn me away.
ian crossland
That's why I call it toxically compassionate.
It's not real.
It's like compassion to a fault.
Like, we can let everyone in.
It'll be okay.
luke rudkowski
It's not compassion.
It's the opposite of that.
And to Tim's point, the CIA usually gives the money up front to the terrorists, and then that's usually how they get their cut.
They don't rely on, you know, killing people and kidnapping them.
They just get the money up front.
But if you look at what's happening here, again, this is a deliberate plot here.
This is a deliberate plan to not just create future Democratic voters, but there's a larger,
bigger agenda here that has been weaponized against the American people that is causing division, that is causing
strife.
I think a lot of this is planned.
I think they're trying to get as much of it done before this next election cycle because they know this is going to
be one of the key issues that they're going to be recalled for.
And when they do, they want to make sure they have enough people here for whatever reason.
Some people say we need military fighting age males to fight China or Russia.
Some people are saying we might need these males to fight the other faction inside of the United States.
Maybe a part of Take a Drink Civil War that could potentially happen as well.
There's different theories out there, but the theories are legitimate because it's not for the benefit of the American people in any way.
You kind of look at it.
tim pool
There's the possibility that the Biden administration invokes the Insurrection Act against Texas for blocking federal agents at the border.
josie glabach
I would defer to the Constitution on this.
So it's the federal government's job, Article 4, Section 4, Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S.
Constitution to protect the states from invasion.
However, when you jump to the 10th Amendment, the 10th Amendment says that if the federal government is failing their own responsibility, and the article doesn't say that the states cannot B, cannot take up the responsibility, then that responsibility can be taken up by the states or by the individuals.
And that's really key.
tim pool
I think that we're going to start seeing some really interesting... What if under that argument of Article 4, Section 4, the Biden administration says, we are protecting the border by having our troops, our CBP and our law enforcement at the border, and Texas is blocking us from enforcing our constitutional duties, thus engaging in insurrection?
josie glabach
Ken Paxton has an 80% win rate against the Biden administration, so he's probably one of the smartest people in the Constitution that I've ever come across.
tim pool
Yeah, but we're not talking about the legality of it.
Norms are breaking down.
The idea that the Texas National Guard was deployed armed to block access to federal law enforcement.
The concern there is at what point do both sides assert jurisdiction over the same area, and when that happens, who's going to try to arrest the other?
Or does this really just come down to Biden administration just backs down instantly and says, we don't want to fight, we lose, you win?
benny johnson
This is exactly what happened in Fort Sumter.
The Union forces were occupying Fort Sumter.
kicked off the Civil War.
Like an argument over a military base where like a localized militia
like started fighting federal forces.
tim pool
The Union forces were occupying Fort Sumter.
After the secession, South Carolina said, you are not welcome to be here, leave.
The Union forces were like, it's our base we built and paid for.
You can't secede, it's illegal, we're staying.
And I think the only actual death in that conflict was an accidental death on the side of the Union, I could be wrong.
benny johnson
I read a bunch of articles saying no one really knows who fired the first shot, but... I'm simply saying territorial dispute over like federal jurisdiction is what kicked off the Civil War, like what it's seen as historically kicking off the Civil War.
tim pool
But here's the best point.
After that, we historically look back at that date and say, that was the start of the Civil War.
However, the actual first bloody battle was the First Battle of Bull Run, which, even after the battle at Fort Sumter, local residents in the area did not believe Civil War could happen, even though we believe it already started, and were picnicking, watching the first bloody battle, which was chaos.
So, we look at this border issue, this jurisdiction issue, and perhaps that's it.
Perhaps all we get is a standoff, which is happening now already, with federal law enforcement, Texas National Guard, and we think nothing of it.
And even after some CBP guy shoves a National Guard guy, and then they try arresting someone, and we're like, wow, they're fighting, we still don't think we're in it.
And then maybe...
After this, Texas deploys armed National Guard to the border to block a bunch of Biden vehicles that are trying to come in, resulting in actual shootouts.
And then we say 100 years from now, it started when the Texas National Guard deployed armed soldiers to block federal agents from facilitating human smuggling or whatever.
josie glabach
So here's what I see.
So in the Constitution, the federal government's jurisdiction over the border is literally just the naturalization process.
That's it.
That's all that's written in there for them is the naturalization process.
So it would say, you know, for that instance, that the states would be in charge of everything else, except for
when there is an invasion.
So I think what they could do is they would have to declare an invasion.
The federal government would have to say, well, there's an invasion now.
And then they'd go in there, they'd send their troops in and handle it by just continuing to do all the bullshit
that they're doing.
ian crossland
Yeah. The difference of the Civil War in the 1860s and now is Internet video because we're not passively watching
stuff happen.
We are crafting it as we go.
Like, I don't know, how many people are watching right now?
unidentified
50,000 people?
tim pool
80,000, yeah.
ian crossland
Wow.
Like, the amount of consciousness that can be tweaked by our conversation literally I disagree.
is never in the human history has been.
And maybe that's like part of this desperation of this time in human history
is that we have this internet video for this purpose, to repurpose, to create mass formation in like a good way.
tim pool
I disagree.
We may be reaching our live concurrent audience between like 80 and 83,000 individuals,
but shortly, you know, 20 years ago, it was millions for these very limited networks.
And the only difference is the geography of the viewers.
So if you go back to the 1860s, people would be saying the same thing.
Wow, we can reach 100,000 people with the printing press.
Instantly.
Who would have ever thought we could influence so many people by printing papers rapidly on these machines and distributing, but the issue was geography.
So the people in these areas, you could reach 100,000 by circulating papers.
We're circulating this show to, you know, it'll probably end up being like a million people, but they're spread out.
So the big difference is, Whereas with the Civil War in this country in the 1860s, it's geographic, it's North and South.
So yes, ideas are being spread in those isolated areas.
Now you're going to have pockets all over the country of different factions, and that's what we see in other countries and have seen in other civil wars.
ian crossland
I think though, you know, long distance is free now.
You can make phone calls, you can do video chats with your friends out of state.
The diaspora is...
It's very clear.
And 20, 30 years ago, this show would have been shut down 15 minutes in because of what we were talking about.
Like, the ability to, like, go right at the situation and describe it to people is... It was called Golden Handcuffs, and that's a common phrase.
tim pool
What would happen 20 years ago, if you were on, like, a cable network channel, and you had a panel show where they expected you to say, you know, Nikki Haley's the best or something like that, and you went off the rails, they would let the show happen.
And then later, they would tell you, hey, you know, we're actually going to move your time slot, but we don't know exactly what we're going to do, so we'll let you know.
You're under contract.
You can't quit.
They're paying you a lot of money, but you can't produce any content.
Golden handcuffs.
They'll sign you for a few years, then they'll tell you to wait.
If you try and produce anything else, they'll sue you.
They tried it with Tucker Carlson.
Taking a show off the air, but then saying, you're under contract, you can't do any work.
And he said, try me.
Back in the day, without Twitter, he'd be gone.
And here's the issue.
Tucker gets the axe from Fox News.
If this was 20 years ago, what's he going to do?
Go to CBS, they'd say, we can't hire you, we'll get sued by Fox.
He goes to MSNBC, we can't hire you, we'll get sued by Fox.
Today, he goes, I'll make my own content on Twitter.
And then Fox says, we'll sue you.
And he goes, go for it.
The other networks would have basically just teamed up with Fox in locking him up and preventing his voice from being heard.
So in that regard, I agree with you.
This is something new and powerful that's breaking that dynamic.
That being said, That control that they had back then, that was something to behold.
They could snap their fingers and have 100 million people believe the most crazy nonsense instantly, and they've lost that power.
Or they're losing it.
benny johnson
Yeah.
It's really wild to look at the centralized control of the free networks that you would get even if you had a TV, you didn't have to pay for ABC, NBC, or CBS.
It just comes standard with the TV in every American household.
And PBS, I suppose you could include that.
And how every single night they were all on message.
It was absolute government programming.
Like, my childhood, of course, was in the 80s, and that was just pure government programming.
All news.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is something new.
This ability for the human to tell you what I think?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's not to be trifled with.
We should respect it and use it to its ultimate.
benny johnson
Luke, was that like the zenith of Operation Mockingbird, right?
Would be like 1987?
Where every anchor was on message, where every outlet was free and broadcast directly into a million households.
luke rudkowski
That wasn't Operation Mockingbird.
There was other congressional hearings that actually did find out that there was CIA agents at the top of almost every major news outlet that were pretty much calling the shots and directing people to publish news that the CIA wanted them to publish.
Now we're seeing a different kind of version of it with The same kind of intelligence agencies influencing social media and algorithms and what people can and cannot say on those particular platforms.
So they changed the way that they do things.
And instead of just going to these network heads, I think they're still at the network.
I think they're just just expanding where the media and information is expanding and what we're getting now.
Other than in a limited way kind of Rumble and Twitter is curated content that I think they centrally control in more ways than one that we even don't understand as of yet just how sophisticated their manipulation of information is as now.
So to answer your question they manipulated the CIA manipulated what we saw before and now they're doing it again with the exception of Twitter and rumble which are directly under attack by the establishment right now.
So I think this is why there's such a fervent fight to take those institutions down because then when they're down The establishment could pretty much do whatever they want to us.
But now that they're up, I think this is one of the big things that is stopping a big kind of event, a big kind of October surprise.
And a lot of the same old tactics were changed up.
So when we have the next big thing to deal with, when we have the next big PSYOP, It's going to be far more complicated than what we're used to dealing with, and have many layers to it, where even our reaction, being skeptical of it, could be playing along with the larger game against us as well.
So I'm trying to think of this as how they're playing all this out.
How could they get away with this?
Because they are very maniacal.
They do think many steps ahead of us, and they do try to control and limit what we can and cannot listen to.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story, speaking of what Luke is talking about.
It's a tweet from NBC News.
A network of public interest groups and lawmakers nervous about former President Trump's potential return to power is quietly devising plans to foil any effort on his part to pressure the U.S.
military to carry out his political agenda.
Sounds like a conspiracy?
I mean, I guess the only reason we wouldn't call it a conspiracy is that they're publicly admitting they're doing it?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
josie glabach
I'd said earlier that we've seen this one before.
It was the Time Magazine article after 2020 after that election.
It was a very similar headline about how they save the election with a shadow government.
tim pool
The shadow campaign to save the election.
josie glabach
The cabal of elites.
luke rudkowski
If you click on the article, you could see NBC News trying to justify this by I think it's in the comments of the original tweet, but it's Amuse, which is at Amuse, and he says the person behind it is Mary McCord.
down Trump in order to save our government, which is absolutely ridiculous.
josie glabach
I think it's in the comments of the original tweet, but it's Amuse, which is at Amuse,
and he says the person behind it is Mary McCord.
Yep, this one.
tim pool
He says, reminder, the woman behind the coup planning reported on NBC is Mary B. McCord,
who served as the acting assistant AG for national security from October 2016 to 17.
You may recall that she reviewed and approved FISA warrants to surveil Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide.
The FISA court, which approved these warrants in 16 and 17, later criticized government officials for providing false and misleading information about Page and the infamous Steele dossier.
McCord is mentioned in the Justice Department Inspector General Report, which identified significant errors and omissions in the FBI's applications for warrants to surveil Page.
McCord approved the fraudulent FISA applications against Page.
Later, McCord was appointed to advise the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court as an amicus curiae.
Her role involves providing advice and expertise on matters related to foreign intelligence collection.
Today, she is organizing the effort to strip Trump of his power as Commander-in-Chief.
So, um, is that a coup?
josie glabach
Yeah, that's a coup.
She sounds like, I wouldn't call her the queen of the swamp, but maybe like a princess of the deep state, this woman here.
And, you know, that's what they have.
They kind of dip into, they have their group of deep state and then they just dip into them and put them in different positions all over the government.
So she's one of them.
So somebody to watch for.
tim pool
Dictatorial ways.
Trump will use his military if he returns to the White House.
Their fear is, it's not the military.
I mean, there's two things.
I think their fear of issues of the military is going to be withdrawing forces and not engaging in this liberal economic order stuff.
But then I think their big fear also is the criminal prosecution of them.
Their corrupt actions they took in 2016.
And I gotta say that may mean that Donald Trump has information that may lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.
unidentified
I don't know if any information will ever lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.
ian crossland
Yeah, I did like that he walked back the retribution rhetoric a few days ago.
I think it was two or three days ago he mentioned that he wants to focus on building something great in the future and coming together.
And you know, maybe too little, too late.
He's already been pretty plaintive that he wants to go... I don't know what he said exactly, but...
harassed, get back at him. I don't know what he wants to do.
I don't know what he wants to do.
luke rudkowski
This story is a kind of huge, huge admission here because they're saying we're quietly working to
subvert Donald Trump if he becomes the president of the United States. They're not being very quiet
about it. They're kind of, you know, publicly declaring that they're doing it. They're arrogant
about it. Yeah. So again, this also brings into question who's really in charge if you're the
president of the United States.
Is it the bureaucracy that's embedded within Washington, D.C.?
Is it the deep state?
As, of course, they're trying to solidify decisions before Trump is even in office, before he even makes them.
And to give Trump some credit here, Yuval Harari, the second-in-command to pretty much Klaus Schwab, a head guy at the World Economic Forum... Yuval Harari, yeah.
I'll call him whatever I want to call him.
unidentified
Yoel's the guy at Twitter.
I'll call him whatever I want to.
luke rudkowski
Russell Brand could kiss him all he wants.
I'm not going to be kissing his butt here.
Yoel Harari came out and said that if Trump is elected that he will be dealing the death blow to the global order.
Those are major statements made by Yoel.
Yuval.
It's a statement.
tim pool
Yoel.
unidentified
It's Yuval.
Yoel.
And they are very indicative to essentially a lot of powerful people.
tim pool
I actually think it's extremely important people know the guy's real name is Yuval Harari.
ian crossland
You've all know a Harari.
josie glabach
The Time Magazine article actually goes on to list everybody involved because they were, you know, had to celebrate and congratulate each other.
It says there was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes.
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
Big batch of votes just jumped in right away.
unidentified
Does Chris get more than three?
tim pool
From 4% to 26% in the New York Times.
Ron Nessant is still in second place with 5,824.
Nikki Haley with 5,450.
Vivek Ramasamy with 2,274.
Percentages have all remained relatively stable.
unidentified
Chris Christie has 13 now.
ian crossland
Wow!
unidentified
He's got 10.
tim pool
I don't know if he can afford to fly all those people out for dinner, but... Yeah, it's a lot.
ian crossland
He's got a lot of weeks.
unidentified
He'll just have dinner for 13 people.
ian crossland
Josie, I wanted to follow along with what you were saying.
josie glabach
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Any other Tuesday, you know?
josie glabach
There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs.
Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans.
The pact was formalized in a terse, little noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of
Commerce and the AFL-CIO published on Election Day.
Both sides would come to see it as some sort of implicit bargain inspired by the summer's
massive sometimes destructive racial justice protests in which the forces of labor came
together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump's assault on democracy.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Wow.
I wonder if they called the race for Trump because all the reporters at the precincts
I just saw a bunch of people wearing Trump signs chanting Trump over and over again and
they're like, ah, he won, it's, it's, it's...
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
josie glabach
So it was a handshake between business and labor is what they're saying.
So that's the deep state.
ian crossland
When did that happen?
josie glabach
That was 2020.
It was right after the election.
Time Magazine posted.
They actually, you know, it says a pact, how I read it was a pact.
It actually used to say cabal.
unidentified
Cabal.
josie glabach
Cabal.
And they went in and fixed that.
I think they took that word out.
ian crossland
The Yuval Noah Harari said that about Trump, that he's the biggest threat to the new order.
Is that how he worded it?
unidentified
He will deal the death blow to the global order.
That was Yuval, though.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is Yuval Noah Harari.
The death blow to the world order.
So these world economic forum people are trying to build a new world order out of our liberal economic order.
tim pool
So this is what happens.
They create the liberal economic order.
You can read it on their own websites, on the CFR website.
They talk about the creation of the liberal economic order.
It's the financial systems that they have in place.
It's SWIFT.
It's IMF.
It's the World Bank, etc.
And then you end up with this viral video of George H.W.
Bush saying, we can begin to see a new world order.
New world order goes from being just a descriptive, like an adjective on world order, into a specific proper phrase, the new world order, which becomes a conspiracy theory.
What I think really happens is, when people started correctly pointing out that these powerful individuals were trying to develop a new type of liberal economic order, What they did was they insert lies.
This is one way to control when people are getting too close to the truth, is you take control of the movement, of the theories of the anger, and steer them in the wrong direction.
So then, New World Order becomes some weird conspiracy theory.
They start injecting fake ideas into it to distract everybody.
And then, New World Order turns into a conspiracy theory phrase that becomes rather meaningless to the average person, and they dismiss it outright.
ian crossland
Globalist.
That was another word.
Globalist!
unidentified
Globalist!
tim pool
They said that was an anti-Semitic slur.
ian crossland
And really what it looks like is a bunch of international corporations and the people that run them and the international monetary system and banking system out of Switzerland.
I don't know if it's only out of Switzerland, like Davos.
They meet at Davos.
It's a lot of these people you consider globalists because they don't adhere to any one country's laws.
It's definitely concerning.
I think that Yuval is not wrong.
Donald Trump, I don't know if it would be a death blow, but he would be a twist of fate, and it would create a new type of challenge to this handing over of American wealth.
This $35 trillion that we've printed, the $1.6 they just authorized Congress to use next year, $1.6 trillion, that money, I mean, going to the Ukraine, a lot of it went to the Ukraine.
It feels like it's being siphoned, that the United States is being siphoned out.
They're done with this husk of a country to lead the world order.
They want to do some new country or new, probably corporations, run the new world order I think is probably the recipe of the day.
tim pool
You guys ever see those fake viral videos that are super annoying where it's his family and they're walking on piles of hundred dollar bills?
There's like, there's a video of them and a big tractor trailer full of, like, just probably $50 million and $100 bills, and it's pouring out and they're throwing it in the air.
It's a really annoying thing that's on Instagram because people watch it because they think it's real.
It's fake.
But someone took one of these videos and the Elon Musk parody account posted, you know, breaking secret insider footage from Zelensky's
home and they're walking through just piles and piles of hundred dollar bills and money's
just thrown all over the place.
Because I think that's how we actually view what's going on with Ukraine,
whether it's actually Zelensky or just a money vacuum to steal our cash to fund a waste of time.
ian crossland
I don't know if we can stop it, man. This is part of what concerns me. I'm not going to scream no.
You know, there's better ways to twist and jujitsu the energy away from the creation of something you hate than to scream no!
But like, what, I mean, do you guys, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
josie glabach
Well, they did just say that Switzerland's going to broker, or they asked Switzerland and China, was it?
Is that right?
To broker a deal with Ukraine?
To broker peace?
luke rudkowski
Well, the specific news article is Zelensky asking Switzerland if they could hold peace talks and involve China in it.
That's the specific news report.
unidentified
All right.
josie glabach
So that means hopefully this is the end of the Ukraine war and sending them money.
I mean, ideally, if I want to be an optimist.
ian crossland
Maybe the end.
But then what will happen is if they use BlackRock to try and rebuild the country, you might end up seeing American money go to the rebuilding of the Ukraine, too.
unidentified
No, you will regardless.
No matter what happens, it's going to be more American money for the rebuilding of Ukraine.
ian crossland
And it's not really—you might consider it American money because we, the taxpayers, have to suffer as a result of the siphoning.
But, you know, you might also argue that it's global money on loan to us.
Like, the Federal Reserve loans us promissory notes.
In 1913, man, they took our ability to create our own money away from us and gave it to this quasi-private company called the Federal Reserve that gives us promissory notes.
They will promise to pay them their money back.
So all this U.S.
josie glabach
dollar stuff is just... We've confiscated the gold.
tim pool
Benny Johnson's gotta bounce!
benny johnson
I've gotta bounce.
tim pool
He's taken off.
benny johnson
We gotta hold team here.
tim pool
Thanks for coming in.
I'm sending messages back and forth and Vivek's team just says, give us a few minutes, give us a few minutes.
And they're an hour behind, but I can't blame them.
They're running a caucus.
It is what it is.
benny johnson
I will leave you here to fight the new globalist world neocon order.
ian crossland
Thanks, man.
benny johnson
And of course, I will join you at any time.
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tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, man.
ian crossland
Always a pleasure.
tim pool
Awesome to see you.
benny johnson
Great to see you guys.
That was fun.
tim pool
Phil Labonte is going to jump in.
He's been sitting there waiting.
ian crossland
Good, because he's got the answers.
tim pool
And in about 10 minutes, we're going to jump to, I will call them the physical super chats of the people who are hanging out who want to ask questions to everybody we've got hanging out.
There were several, uh, politicians who were slated to stop by who did not make it, unfortunately.
I'm not surprised, though, considering the weather, which kind of sucks, but it is what it is.
We came down, and, uh, Vivek, of course, was, uh, supposed to be here at 7.45.
And, uh, you know, w-w-what are you gonna do about it?
He's out campaigning, trying to get people to caucus for him.
It is what it is.
unidentified
It be what it do.
tim pool
And, uh, uh, okay, it sounds like he's not coming.
unidentified
Aww.
tim pool
So, is that- he's not coming?
He is not coming!
unidentified
Aww.
tim pool
Well, I'm- I'm not surprised.
I'm gonna be completely honest, coming in fourth place with 7.7% after all the work he did, I don't know what he would be doing right now.
ian crossland
How many of the votes are in?
tim pool
With 37% of the votes in, Donald Trump with 22,000, Ron with 8,005, Nikki Haley with 81.
She's right behind him.
in. Donald Trump with 22,000, Ron with 8,005, Nikki Haley with 81. She's right behind him.
And Vivek Ramosamy with 3,259. So, I kind of figured this might be... That's unfortunate.
ian crossland
Well, I mean... Yeah, I thought it was going to be a victory speech for him.
I was hoping he'd be second.
tim pool
Perhaps he was thinking he was going to do better and now his priorities are not in coming on a live show to talk about how he's actually losing.
phil labonte
I mean, I agree, and I get it, but at the same time, I mean, I guess maybe this is just looking at the bright side.
He beat Chris Christie, and Chris Christie's, you know, a well-known name.
unidentified
He's hard to beat, yeah, no, it's true.
phil labonte
His run at, you know, politics and stuff.
tim pool
Could you imagine Christie actually trying to come out here and go to all the districts?
phil labonte
The memes.
tim pool
I don't think anybody worked as hard as Vivek did in order to, you know, get the amount of support that he did, so that's admirable.
Look, Vivek was trying to convince Trump supporters to vote for him.
That's a ridiculous proposition in the long run.
The plan B strategy makes sense.
He's waiting in the wings.
He's the bench for 2028 or something like that.
I like the idea.
But going to Trump supporters and saying, save Trump by voting for me is just like, come on, man, this is not going to work.
phil labonte
Especially this early, you know, he's still got a ways until he starts actually having to show up in court and stuff like that.
So there's still, you know, it's not set in stone that he's not going to be on the ballot.
Although, I mean, personally, I think that it's likely that there'll be a lot of efforts to keep him off the ballot and whatever they can do, they'll do.
I don't think that it's compelling to the average voter, because I think the average Trump supporter is currently still thinking he's going to be able to beat the charges.
tim pool
So when we were planning this whole thing out, the original idea was to come just for today.
And we ultimately decided, because of the debate with Vivek, we would do this town hall and, you know, have him on.
And so it ended up working out really, really well.
But I'm genuinely curious as to, I mean, I'll just say it, like, when we were planning this, Vivek said he would come on the show on Monday following the caucus.
I'm wondering what changed with the results, what they expected, what happened on the road.
Perhaps it's weather, I don't know.
But as to why they're like, we're not gonna make it, do the show without him.
And I'm like, okay.
ian crossland
Probably this 8%.
I mean, it's a gut punch to anyone that was supporting that guy and had hope.
tim pool
He worked really, really hard.
unidentified
He did work really hard.
tim pool
He spent every county, I think, more than once.
Twice.
ian crossland
You were on the road with them two days ago, like 16 hours?
luke rudkowski
17 hours.
ian crossland
17 hours on the road!
And you guys drove all over the state?
unidentified
What did you do?
What did you do wrong, Luke?
josie glabach
No, they drove three hours away to six different events and then three hours back, which turned into more like eight hours back because there was a blizzard.
tim pool
So we got this super chat.
I think it's interesting.
Richard Contini Jr.
said, I just left the caucus.
Ron showed up.
The speaker for Nikki was a Democrat.
Trump 2024.
Let's go.
unidentified
Hilarious.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Phil, what's the solution, man?
phil labonte
Solution to what?
ian crossland
Bypassing the New World Order, creating a global order that represents American values.
phil labonte
You're asking the most black-pilled person sitting here.
I'm dubious as to if there is a solution.
But I do think that it's not going to be politicians.
I think that it's going to be a situation where you have to have people that are not looking to the government to do things for them.
And that's something that starts with parents and the way they raise their kids.
And it starts with culture.
As much as I think it's important to have the right people in positions of power, just because of the fact that if you have the wrong people in positions of power, they're going to impose Things on your life that you're not interested in, uh, you know, things that even, even...
The fact that they want to impose things on you is bad.
That they want to impose things on anyone is bad.
So... Go ahead.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
I'll wrap up your idea and then I'm going to jump in.
phil labonte
It's just that, I mean, you know, that's just... I lost where I was going, so go ahead.
luke rudkowski
Go ahead.
tim pool
I'm going to ask a different question.
Finish your point.
luke rudkowski
I don't want to... If you believe voting is going to save you, you're not paying attention.
We need something more than just voting.
We need to take personal responsibility for our lives, which I think is more important than anything else.
tim pool
And that is, you know, Mike Cernovich had a great tweet a long time ago.
He said, You know, like, raise your family, protect your kids, and that's the first step.
Something that effect, and he's right.
After that, I think culture building, inspiring people, generate, what Vivek is doing, going around and spreading this message to all of these young people is extremely effective for the next generation.
So that's absolutely fantastic.
I'm wondering, however, if DeSantis, Haley, Ramaswamy, and even Trump, if anyone expected the race to be called Literally, like, 20 minutes in.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
With less than 1% reporting.
200 votes come in, they go, eh, he won.
It's over.
ian crossland
I can't imagine anybody anticipated that.
That was shocking at 1%.
tim pool
I know!
Maybe that's why Vivek's team is like, look, it's gonna be 7.45.
The results haven't come in yet.
We'll come and talk about it, cross our fingers.
Now it's like, you've lost already.
Like, well, let's go to the party, I guess.
ian crossland
This is set?
Or were you set?
josie glabach
I have a question.
So, when they called it, they called it at 1%.
unidentified
Less than 1%.
josie glabach
Less than 1%.
So people hadn't even voted yet.
Could that have been like... Oh, they did.
tim pool
They did.
josie glabach
Well, no, it was Jeremy Redfern who said that he was in a district that hadn't voted yet.
So, could that be a form of election interference to say everybody just go home?
No point now, it's called.
tim pool
Oh, that's actually a good point.
That's actually a really good point.
ian crossland
That's where Redfern said it was rigged.
I mean, he's talking about that kind of thing.
josie glabach
Yeah, I mean, what's the point?
unidentified
Like, if you're waiting at the caucus and then, you know, you hear that Trump already won, you're like, well, it's cold, I'm done.
josie glabach
It pops up on your phone, says Trump won, then everybody goes home.
I mean, that just seemed a little sketchy to me, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
tim pool
That's a great point.
unidentified
I don't like that.
tim pool
But I don't think that's why the results are the results.
josie glabach
No, no, that's not why.
ian crossland
I have a feeling the powers that be or the people, whatever you want to call it, I don't know what it is, this deep state thing, that they know Trump's going to get the votes.
They've accepted that.
They think Ramaswamy will actually disentangle the system.
So they don't want to even give him name recognition.
And so they're letting Trump get the numbers and then they're going to try and find some way to Make him stub his own toe, and then we got, I guess, Ron and Nikki to battle it out.
josie glabach
I mean, going back to what you were talking about earlier with like a global, a globalist agenda, but with American values, I don't think that that's possible just because The globalist agenda is inherently like socialist, and the socialist agenda goes against our instinct to put ourselves first or our families first.
It says you have to share everything, you know, and that's just not a natural instinct.
tim pool
So real quick, I pulled up the polling from Iowa, from FiveThirtyEight, the aggregate polling from FiveThirtyEight, and Haley was actually expected to defeat Ron DeSantis by a couple points.
So far at 40%, Ron is winning.
I don't know if that means anything.
But it does seem to be trending exactly as the polls predicted, which is kind of crazy considering what Vivek was doing, going around and meeting people.
And the fact that he was winning first-time voters, it's fascinating the polls are as accurate as they are.
ian crossland
He spent, I think, $16 million.
I don't want to get the number wrong, but he spent his own money, and I think it was that.
But this is just an example of the power of mass media.
Hitler rose to power because of radio and TV.
Like the guy, you can drive and spend 15 hours a day, every day, but if you're not using mass media... Yeah, but think about, I mean, think about...
phil labonte
It's first of all, it's Donald Trump who had like 100% name recognition before he won the presidency in 2016.
Yeah.
And then, you know, you've got all of the things that have happened since he won the first one.
I mean, it's not a surprise.
Obviously, it's not a surprise that he won tonight.
And it really If you think about it, it shouldn't come as a shock that he won by such a large margin.
His name recognition is almost 100% and the majority of Republicans think that there was at least something unfair about the last election.
I assume most Republicans kind of agree that all of the different things, all of the mail-in ballots, all those sending out ballots to people, all that stuff changed the dynamic so much that it wasn't a standard election.
And had it been a standard election, it's likely that Donald Trump would have won.
So I don't think that this should come as any kind of shock.
ian crossland
When Time Magazine explained that there was a shadow campaign to fortify the election against Trump, it became clear to most all of them, actually.
Oh, Tim's going to pull it up.
Good.
phil labonte
I remember when I saw that the first time, I was shocked.
And I showed a friend, and his reply was, well, you know, that's politics.
And I was flabbergasted that he said that.
I was like, that's really how you understand this?
That's just politics.
They're saying that the government itself was working against the incumbent president.
And you're just like, well, that's political.
josie glabach
What's interesting is the headline.
tim pool
It was against the voters of the country.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
Yeah.
josie glabach
The headline, the secret history of the shadow campaign.
History.
ian crossland
That was saved.
josie glabach
This was established.
phil labonte
I was astounded.
I couldn't believe it.
I couldn't believe that they had the audacity to print that.
And then, like I said, when I told my fairly blue-pilled buddy, I was like, do you see this?
And he's like, yeah, well, that's politics.
I'm like, oh my god, I'm going to shoot myself.
ian crossland
You know, the reason I think that a global order that embodies American constitutional ideals is possible is because of the way we've built the United States.
It's such a vast territory, but we were able to unify 50 different concepts into one kind of gigantic, which would have been thought totally impossible, Before the advent of electricity or discovery of electricity and advent of radio.
tim pool
This article is extremely important for everyone who's never heard of to read.
It outright says, a conspiracy was unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs, They say, quote, That's from Trump.
They say he was right.
A conspiracy was unfolding behind the scenes.
Handshake between business and labor was one component of a vast cross-partisan campaign to, quote, protect the election.
An extraordinary shadow effort, dedicated not to winning the vote, but to ensuring it would be free and fair, credible and uncorrupted.
This is the epitome of corruption and evil.
phil labonte
It is incredible how dystopian it is.
It's so audacious that you kind of feel like no one would write this in a comic book.
In a movie, if a villain did that, they would be talking about it in a boardroom, not writing an article and putting it online.
ever do that, then write a brag about it.
tim pool
To be fair, I think, didn't Lex Luthor win the presidency legitimately?
I could be wrong.
ian crossland
In a movie, if a villain did that, they would be talking about it in a boardroom, not writing
an article and putting it online.
They put that online, that they admitted it.
josie glabach
That was their dystopian victory lap.
It was like, you know, the evildoers in every single movie, before they lose, they sell their dastardly plan to their victim, and then the animals show up and kill them.
That's what happens.
But they waited until after their corruption unfolded and then told us all their plan.
So, I mean, this is what we can expect.
This is what they do.
phil labonte
It's literally them saying, do something about it.
It's just them being like, this is what we did, and there's nothing you can do about it.
tim pool
We're going to go to our live version of Super Chats.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
And we're going to ask audience questions.
Clint!
ian crossland
Clint Russell.
unidentified
What up?
tim pool
How's it going, buddy?
unidentified
If anybody wants to ask a question, just lightly raise your hand.
We don't want to have people queue up.
luke rudkowski
Slip a five in Ian's pants.
tim pool
And I will just say for everyone who's here, We'll try to keep it family-friendly, but ask away.
We didn't pre-screen anything.
We're just going to let people sort of ask their questions.
unidentified
Don't get us demonetized.
Go ahead.
tim pool
I'm more worried about the children, but also, yes, we like money, too.
unidentified
What's your name?
My name is Skyler.
tim pool
I just got verified on Twitter.
unidentified
The Tau-me-a-man.
Nice.
Congrats, and your question, sir.
So this is a question for Luke.
As you can see, I'm wearing my trans-vaccinated shirt.
I know you're anti-vax.
Will you stand up for all the Z's and Zers that are trans-vaxed?
luke rudkowski
As long as you're not shedding on me, I think we should be fine.
And not aggressing against me in any way, we'll be cool.
tim pool
We all just have to follow the non-aggression principle, and everybody can get along, right?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And if you shed your, you know... Anyway!
unidentified
I'm gonna say some things I can't say on this platform.
luke rudkowski
But yeah, as long as you don't violate my nap, I won't violate your nap.
And we should respect everyone for who they are, especially if they are free human beings that do awesome things and don't spread bad things to other people.
I'll keep it at that.
tim pool
We also have regular Super Chats as well, but I don't know if there's anyone else.
luke rudkowski
Thank you for your question.
josie glabach
I just got a message.
Somebody said, Nancy Pelosi biographer wrote that Time article.
Molly Ball.
Why will no one say this out loud?
It was her.
Pelosi told the story to her, I'd bet.
tim pool
Oh yeah, yeah.
It's Molly Ball on the Time article.
That's who it is by.
josie glabach
So that's who it is.
unidentified
Your name, sir?
tim pool
Kyle.
ian crossland
And your question?
unidentified
How are normal people supposed to consume so much media without becoming black-billed?
ian crossland
You gotta find ways in your day-to-day life that keep you sane.
Like working out, sauna, communication with friends and things.
about real stuff like where your food and like that, that's one way to do it.
tim pool
I think, I mean, if we're talking about you're consuming legitimate media that is reporting honestly, blackpilling is an individual state of mind, which I would agree with Ian, you've got to improve yourself, center yourself, figure it out.
Because I think if you're actually consuming all of the media, we got tons of reasons to be optimistic.
I know Phil said he's the most black person, blackpilled, the most blackpilled person here.
We're looking at all these tremendous victories of the last year, and now Nikki Haley's humiliating defeat to Ron DeSantis.
I mean, we've got reasons to be optimistic.
Ron's not going to win either.
But with Bud Light, Boycott, Target, etc., etc., it's just looking better and better.
I mean, look, the fact that Vivek even did as well as he did, and the hard work he's putting in, There is a bright future for us.
I think we win this.
It's going to be hard, but I think we win.
phil labonte
Lift heavy thing, make sad voice stop.
josie glabach
Yeah, I'd go further just to what they were saying is make sure you have purpose.
Make sure you love something greater than yourself, and it's easy to not get blackpilled.
luke rudkowski
Celebrate the small victories and understand that corruption is being exposed, which is a good thing that you're finally being made aware of.
tim pool
I'm going to read a super chat real quick, and then we'll jump to this question.
Paul Tascalo says, when Vivek called out eminent domain CarbonPipeline, they basically deleted him.
I was an... How do I scroll on this thing?
I don't know if it's letting me scroll here on YouTube.
Let me zoom out so I can get the full thing.
I was an E.D.
lawyer for three years.
It's deeply corrupt.
Everyone is paid off.
Layered at every level.
Local, county, state, and federal, and courts.
It's a big issue in Iowa that most people nationally don't know about.
Trying to seize land for, I believe, it's to build this pipeline.
Is that it?
phil labonte
I'm not sure what pipeline, but I agree.
Eminent domain is really, really bad in my opinion.
tim pool
And Vivek came out, called it out, said, no, you can't do this.
And then he's just, now he doesn't appear on the polls or the charts anymore.
unidentified
What's your name, sir?
My name is David.
Hey, David.
Hey, I live in Arkansas now.
I came up here, hopefully, to meet Vivek and a little bigger celebration than we had, but that's all good.
I was living in Des Moines in 1988.
And I happened to hear Rush Limbaugh the third day he was on the air, picking up a VP from a company down at the airport.
And I was a nobody, like I am now still.
He spoke to me.
He passed away basically when Biden took office, and you came into my life.
And I just want to thank you for being kind of a boomer thing, perhaps, but you are the new voice for me that kind of Rush was.
And I'm just kind of interested in If he had any influence on you, your thoughts on him?
tim pool
I know it's a little generational, but... Yeah, I never listened to Rush once.
The only exposure I've ever had to Rush Limbaugh was when he cameoed on Family Guy.
That was about it.
But, uh, my understanding is he's basically the progenitor of talk radio.
And, uh, so massive respect.
I don't know about anyone else here.
unidentified
Oh yeah, when I was a kid, my parents used to blare that.
For real?
That theme song is burned into my head for all of eternity.
You all are doing a pretty good job of channeling his energy, and I want to thank you for that.
tim pool
Thanks for coming.
I appreciate it.
phil labonte
During impeachment in the late 90s, I remember listening to Rush a lot talking about the impeachment stuff for Bill Clinton.
ian crossland
My childhood was like, I thought he was the bad guy, because I was like, oh, he's the hateful, conservative, the Republican guy.
And my dad voted for Clinton, so I didn't know any better.
But I appreciate what he did big time now.
tim pool
Right on.
ian crossland
What's your name, sir?
unidentified
My name's Roy.
The question is, so it's pretty much been established that Nikki Haley is the establishment candidate.
phil labonte
You think?
unidentified
What do you suppose is going to happen with her voters?
Because I know, personally, a few people that are Haley fans.
And they call Trump a felon.
And I don't know if they're going to really vote at all this election cycle if Haley isn't the nominee.
So what do you all think?
tim pool
Have you asked them, like, why they're fans of Haley?
unidentified
Because they hate Trump.
tim pool
Yeah, but then they could be a fan of Ron DeSantis.
unidentified
He doesn't even come up in their conversations.
tim pool
Nikki Haley.
ian crossland
Yeah, the mainstream media pushed her so hard the last four months.
unidentified
That's right.
phil labonte
To Clinton voters.
All the Hillary Clinton voters.
ian crossland
My parents are talking about her and they're like Democrats.
It's crazy.
I don't think they understood her connection with Boeing and the military-industrial complex.
phil labonte
Or Warhawk.
tim pool
Look, I kind of feel like if a Nikki Haley voter is not going to vote, then we dodged a bullet.
Let's encourage all the Nikki Haley voters not to vote if it's Donald Trump.
Because what?
They're going to vote for Biden.
Actually, this is what I think Bruce Woods was pointing out.
Elad Eliyahu, who does reporting for SCNR.com, produced several videos coming out of the Haley campaign events where he just... These are not gotcha questions.
He's not a partisan guy.
He's got his political opinions for sure.
He calls himself the Bolton bro.
But he goes and he asks, you know, why do you support Nikki Haley?
If Nikki Haley is not the nominee, it's looking like Trump will be.
Who will you vote for?
They say Joe Biden.
So, and they'll probably vote for Biden, but I think that doesn't matter.
If you look at the polls, we're looking right now at the Iowa polls, and they're fairly accurate.
I mean, they're hitting the nail on the head, and that's surprising.
I thought Vivek actually was going to beat the polls because he was playing this ground game with younger voters.
So far, he's tracking, trending with the polls.
So, we'll see how that plays out.
But I think if we're looking at the polls, and they are as accurate as they've been, younger voters are going for Trump.
Joe Biden cannot win.
When they put Trump up against Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis, they have some of the latest polls showing what's the percentage going to be Trump v. Biden, DeSantis v. Biden, Haley v. Biden.
phil labonte
They all win.
tim pool
Biden loses to every single person.
So I think Vivek is right about their play.
Nikki Haley is their candidate, not Joe Biden.
We're all talking about, oh, you know, Joe Biden's gonna get sick in March.
Maybe.
And then maybe they do tap Newsom or something.
But the question then becomes, how do you get rid of Kamala Harris?
If Biden drops out, Kamala's next in line, right?
It's simple.
The Vic's right.
Nikki Haley is how you get past Kamala Harris.
Have your establishment candidate run as a Republican against Trump, and the real election is the primary.
josie glabach
Yeah, she's the uniparty.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Thanks, man.
tim pool
So I'm glad to see Trump winning, and I hope that remains the case.
But, you know what I think, too?
Everybody's gearing up for the shadow campaign of 2024.
Yo.
Shadow campaign may be happening right now.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
The shadow campaign, we're gonna get an article in 2025 and we're all shocked Nikki Haley's the president, and it's gonna be like, the shadow campaign to win 2024 through the GOP primary.
unidentified
Yep.
phil labonte
Yep.
unidentified
Naming your question, sir?
My name's Jay.
It's kind of spelled like the letter, but a little different.
So, looking at Trump, you have a 77-year-old who is political poison for some people, with the entire deep state weaponized against him.
And the CIA has heart attack guns.
I mean, not related, but... Thanks, Luke!
That's true.
That's old tech.
So, if he is taken down, what names are you looking at as people that are up and coming?
Who would you attach yourself to?
Chris Christie.
His plan to invade Candyland is brilliant.
Foreign policy interventions I've ever heard.
josie glabach
I don't know.
Ryan Binkley looks pretty promising.
Number five right there.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
Do we know anything about Binkley's platform?
unidentified
I know he got 266 votes to Christie's 16.
tim pool
Like, what if he's just like a really nice guy who loves his state?
unidentified
He wasn't even running.
He's just a really nice guy and everyone knows him.
tim pool
No, but everybody knows him.
He's a good dude.
I think Vivek's the obvious pitch.
The dude is such a hardworking guy.
He's brilliant.
And he's got some of the most libertarian pitches that we've seen in any Republican candidate, so I don't see anybody else right now.
I mean, I don't think Matt Gaetz is going in that direction.
Matt Gaetz is pretty awesome.
But who else is there?
josie glabach
J.D.
Vance is pretty cool too.
tim pool
Yeah, Vance is doing well.
He's a good dude.
josie glabach
I like Vivek not only for his libertarian, but he's very constitutional if you've seen him speak.
He talks about the founding documents, the founding fathers.
He knows his history, which I appreciate.
He knows the real history because everything kind of got switched around in the 60s if you don't know that, but he knows the real stuff and that speaks to integrity.
tim pool
I do like a lot of people starting to bring up that DEI is the natural evolution. I like to call it D.I.E.
It's way better. Because D.E.I. means God and D.I.E. means death. So we'll go with that one. But
it's the natural evolution of the civil rights laws. And it sort of is. It's the extreme version of
them. But I always tell people just because someone corrupted a thing doesn't mean that thing
was always bad. You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like, look, you know, maybe cake is good, but if you're eating cake every single day, it's bad.
We passed laws saying we don't want people to discriminate or whatever, and there are certain limitations to it.
Like, back when they passed this bill, nobody thought they'd get rid of women's sports.
I don't know that they had women's sports at the time, but nobody thought they would be like, you know, males can use female bathrooms.
That's not the intent.
But then you get this corruption through nefarious forces, which start breaking things down.
Which proves, the law's meaningless.
The only thing that matters is what a society is willing to accept.
And we mention a lot, there's these laws on the books, and there are blue laws, some of them are called, that were made back in the day that no one follows anymore.
Like the favorite gag one, which I think is no longer in play, was, women can't go skydiving on Sunday in Florida.
I think that's, I read about that, like it's been overturned or whatever, but there are weird laws like that.
No cop's gonna arrest a woman for skydiving in Florida on Sunday.
unidentified
They should.
tim pool
But when you look at, you know, the civil rights law and where it's at right now, We're surprised to see how it's being implemented.
And I think a lot of this has to do with originalist versus textualism.
People who are like, if it says regulated and today regulated, this is the stupidest argument in the world.
I mean, these people are just despicable.
The Second Amendment says, a well-regulated militia.
Well, we know what the Founding Fathers meant when they wrote it, but because today regulated means government control, that's what it means.
That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard.
josie glabach
Why on earth?
Why after winning a war where the Redcoats confiscated ammo and guns from the people of Massachusetts, why on earth would the Founding Fathers be like, yeah, you know what?
We should have the government regulate our guns.
That's what we're going to do.
That is just so dumb.
So dumb.
tim pool
The percentage of votes in went down.
By 1%.
josie glabach
Did Nikki Haley's number go down?
tim pool
It did.
A lot.
unidentified
Good.
Yeah.
tim pool
They just pulled a bunch of votes back.
josie glabach
That is sketchy.
tim pool
Wait.
Remember when this happened on CNN and everyone said it was rigged?
There was like, the vote count for Trump changed.
And I'm like, people are saying, how did that happen?
I'm like, maybe the AP doing the official reporting said we made a mistake and pulled it back or clicked cancel, I don't know.
But it was at 39%.
Haley was at 8,000, Nash at 7,000, so I have no idea what that means, but you know, how fun.
Nikki Haley's votes went down.
ian crossland
I thought I was at 9,300.
tim pool
You were at 9,300?
ian crossland
Yeah.
40-bound delegates.
tim pool
Where are you at?
Four?
ian crossland
I'm on the New York Times.
40.
I'm on CNN.
tim pool
CNN has Nikki Haley with 40 delegates?
ian crossland
No, no.
There are 40 bound.
And she's at 9,300 votes.
Huh.
tim pool
Interesting.
The New York Times is just breaking.
All right, let's get another question in there.
unidentified
My name is Lucas Carter.
I have kind of a two-part question.
So do you, especially Luke, have any thoughts on the similarity between Vivek's campaign At the beginning of this election, I always told everyone that what matters here is not who gets the votes, it's the ideas that get pushed.
out of the picture more. I grew up off of his ideals. Do you see him possibly being
luke rudkowski
a Gen Z replacement? At the beginning of this election I always told everyone that what
matters here is not who gets the votes, it's the ideas that get pushed. It's the Overton
window that gets pushed. I think Vivek's doing a great job at that.
There's a lot of Ron Paul people that are within his campaign.
There's a lot of Ron Paul people that I met on the campaign trail.
So there is a crossover here as of course a lot of the same ideas, not all of them, but some of these great ideas of freedom.
You know, liberty, personal responsibility are being shared here.
And those ideas, especially in the minds of young people, are critically important.
So I do see a lot of crossover.
I do see a lot of actual people that were Ron Paul people here on the ground be a part of the Vivek campaign as well.
So there is some crossover.
Foreign policy-wise, there's a lot of difference, especially when it comes to Mexico and China.
But overall, there is kind of a larger kind of energy that does resonate very similarly.
And what?
unidentified
Censorship?
luke rudkowski
As far as?
unidentified
In terms of the media coverage.
luke rudkowski
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then also, what kind of happened to him earlier happened to Ron Paul many, many years ago, as, of course, the corporate media was against him and rigging the process against him in many unfair ways.
tim pool
Now, to be fair, CNN.com has this little widget in the left that only has Trump, DeSantis, and Haley.
But when you click it, they don't hide Vivek Ramaswamy.
He's included in their list with Asa Hutchinson behind him.
So I gotta give CNN credit.
The people who were running, they put him in there.
unidentified
What was that?
Where's Chris Christie?
tim pool
He's not running.
unidentified
Ryan, those other guys.
tim pool
His plan to invade Candyland.
Did you write that?
Like, last night you were waiting to say that.
unidentified
I was waiting to say it, yeah.
I was like, when am I going to get that zinger out there?
When he funded the coup against the gumdrop princess.
I just thought that was absolutely insane.
Liberated the fudge swamp.
tim pool
Remember that clip where it was like, who was it who asked him?
She's like, uh, you're very overweight.
Why did you get president?
And he's like, well, he's a Barbara Walters.
He has a Barbara Walters.
luke rudkowski
He's doing hard.
tim pool
And she was like, some say you shouldn't be president because you're always like, oh, that's ridiculous.
She's like, why are you so heavy?
And he's like, if I knew, I would fix it.
josie glabach
Why?
unidentified
That's such a sad answer.
tim pool
I mean, I've tried everything.
josie glabach
There's a clip of Ron Paul telling a guy in the audience that he's fat and he needs to lose weight.
unidentified
I remember that.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It was a doctor.
unidentified
Said maybe the government should put you on a diet.
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that what he said?
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah, because the guy was like talking about how government should take care of it.
tim pool
Oh, right.
josie glabach
It was so bad.
unidentified
Chris Christie actually got gastric bypass and just blasted right through it.
I'm impressed, honestly.
It's true.
Your name and your question, sir.
Yeah, I'm James.
I came down from Minnesota.
I had some time to waste in the hotel.
And I turned on MSNBC just to see what they were talking about.
And I think it was Maddow said that one feature of the Iowa caucus is anyone can go and vote or caucus for in the Republican primaries.
Even if they don't typically identify as a Republican.
Yep.
tim pool
That was a component of their plan.
There was also... Wasn't there some scandal where, like, DeSantis' team said people from out of state should show up or something like that?
josie glabach
I remember something like that, yeah.
tim pool
What was that about?
It was like Ron's wife or something, right?
josie glabach
Yeah, it was misinformation for sure.
Like, real misinformation, not the other stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, don't do that.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal.
unidentified
What up?
tim pool
Is that Aaron Rodgers on the Jets now, right?
unidentified
Randall Cobb.
He's on the Jets too now.
So my name is Jason Heitman.
Tim, you're the first person in my entire life to get my name right on the first try.
When I super chatted.
Those substitute teachers really made my prepubescent life hell.
tim pool
Maybe they're doing it on purpose though.
unidentified
No, they say like Jazzan and then everyone laughs at me and stuff.
J-A-A-Z-A-N.
So my question, I was really complaining about my state politics here.
I'm from Wisconsin, obviously.
No one's really talking about what's going on in our state right now.
I feel like we're losing our state.
Last election... I do too.
Last election, not a lot of turnout on the conservative side.
We elected a Supreme Court Justice for our state, a liberal, and she ran on the fact that our maps are gerrymandered.
And now they just decide that our maps are unconstitutional.
They're going to redraw the maps for this next election, and all of our congressional seats are going to be up for re-election.
tim pool
Why all of them?
unidentified
That's what I heard.
It could, you know, take that a grain of salt, but that's what I heard.
josie glabach
Did he gerrymander a state?
unidentified
What's that?
josie glabach
They gerrymandered a state?
unidentified
They say that our maps are gerrymandered towards the conservatives after the last census that we gerrymandered them.
So now instead, we always do it every census as we redraw the maps.
Right.
Now they're saying they're gerrymandered unconstitutional.
Now there's a liberal majority in Supreme Court.
They're overturning it and they need to draw new maps by the next election.
tim pool
This could be why the RNC is going to be in Milwaukee.
So that'll be interesting.
I think there's going to be a push for Wisconsin.
It's a very important state to not let Democrats take over.
But, yo, if they pull that, they're taking over.
unidentified
It's a very purple state.
I mean, where I live, it's really half... I live by UW Oshkosh.
It's like, the north end of the city is very liberal because of the college, and the south end is very conservative.
It's everywhere you go, you don't know who's on your side.
tim pool
Yeah, that's how it usually is.
The people who do the actual work that makes this country happen vote on the right, and then the people who are in the institutionalized learning facilities vote left.
phil labonte
That's the kind of thing that the RNC should be fighting.
They should have lawyers.
They should be looking to prevent that kind of stuff.
This is one of the reasons why Ron McDaniels is such a failure and such a joke.
I don't know why they're not...
Trying to play ball, like trying to defend the system as it is.
This is part of the reason why Donald Trump lost, is because the RNC allowed the Democrats in Pennsylvania and stuff to unconstitutionally, according to Pennsylvania's constitution, change the way that electors are sent and stuff.
It's an absolute failure on Ronna's part, and I don't know why Trump endorsed her.
So, so frustrating.
josie glabach
What article makes gerrymandering unconstitutional?
Is that in?
unidentified
They just, they said, from the article I read, they just said that the maps are gerrymandered towards the conservative side, and that, I don't know, I don't remember exactly.
josie glabach
They need to DEI their maps, got it.
unidentified
So, yeah, I'm just, I'm just scared that, because we, right now, our governor is Tony Evers, like my dad likes to say, I don't like Evers, and then our, Congress is mostly conservative.
So it's just like, Evers does something, the Congress says no.
Congress does something, Evers says no.
There's nothing going on in our state right now.
It's a constant just stalemate.
Nothing's happening.
But if they start to sway their way, we're going to start, it's going to affect us because we're purple.
I mean, we have good strong gun laws, but they're not getting stronger and they could definitely go in every aspect.
tim pool
We're going to win those fights at the Supreme Court for a long time.
I mean, the current makeup of the Supreme Court is pretty good for a while.
unidentified
Another thing I'm worried about, our state's kind of being invaded by your old state, Tim.
We call them fibs.
I'm sure you know what that term means.
What is it?
Effing Illinois bastards.
tim pool
I don't know that because I was from Illinois.
We didn't call ourselves that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Especially in Madison, Milwaukee, a lot of people from Illinois are moving to Wisconsin because apparently our welfare benefits are better.
tim pool
Well, also because Illinois is just like a failed state.
unidentified
But it's like, they're bringing their policies with them.
You should build a wall.
tim pool
Highly likely we'll do another show like this at the RNC for that full week.
So we'll probably have like a series of shows at some, you know, rented location and then maybe like a bigger show with an audience for Thursday with the final day of the RNC.
And we're definitely not going to the DNC because it's in Chicago.
And I feel like someone's gonna get shot.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I don't even... I'm kind of like... I'm not trying to be cute, man.
I think...
There's a high likelihood of like, there's gonna be riots, there's gonna be serious injury.
Cops are- Look, at the no-NATO protest, Luke and I were there.
The cops arrested a group of leftist activists and detained them for like 10 days in what's called a black site.
It's basically a police-controlled facility no one knows about, where these people were detained without word.
No one knew where they went.
luke rudkowski
And disappeared.
tim pool
They were disappeared.
luke rudkowski
In Chicago, I literally had a cop put a gun to my head when we were pulled over.
tim pool
They tried planting drugs on us.
I'm not exaggerating.
luke rudkowski
That's not a joke.
That's literally what happened.
josie glabach
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a crazy story, and this really happened.
Chicago, the whole place is so dirty.
The state itself is so dirty.
And the idea that there's going to be a DNC.
You know, we went to the DNC at, I think it was, what, 2016?
The RNC and the DNC were so fun back during the cycles.
You know, like, you know, Jimmy Dore spit on Alex Jones.
How fun was that?
luke rudkowski
We were there in that room.
We were standing right next to it.
tim pool
And that was at the RNC.
But nobody protested the RNC.
Nobody cared.
The DNC, there were thousands of protesters trying to storm the barricades and break their way in.
Yo, DNC in Chicago is going to be bonkers.
Corrupt cops, corrupt government, all Democrat controlled, gun violence.
I'm not going anywhere near that place.
unidentified
My name is Cameron.
Before I ask my question, I'd just like to say, as a fine Irishman, I don't see how people could accuse you of stealing spoons, Seamus.
Thank you.
I appreciate that, because I wouldn't do that, and you know me.
Do you steal spoons, too, is the question.
I would never steal a spoon.
As an Irishman, I would never steal spoons.
God bless you.
luke rudkowski
Thank you.
I sense a conspiracy here.
ian crossland
It was more of an observation that he did it.
unidentified
On top of being thieves, they're also liars.
Do you believe it?
There's a little bit of a bias in this panel.
Why do we put up with this?
I don't know.
First, the paddy wagons, now this.
It's sickening.
tim pool
That is funny they still call them that, paddy wagons.
unidentified
I don't think it's funny at all.
I think that's funny.
Stop drinking so much.
tim pool
He does think it's funny, he's laughing.
unidentified
No.
No, I'm serious.
So with having friends that are on the left and that are pretty much in the leftist cult, how do you start them out and trying to move them over at all when you have articles like the secret history of how they fortified the election and people that, like Phil said, think that that's a good thing?
tim pool
It's super easy.
What you do is get a bunch of them, call a bunch of your lefty friends, you've got like 10 or whatever, I don't know, and tell them you've got this great idea for, you know, this cool event they should come to.
Then you tell all your MAGA friends and you trick them all into going to the community center where you lock the doors and make them stay there overnight so they become friends.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's all you do.
Or you can talk to them.
I mean, it's like the simple answer is kind of boring.
Ask them questions, the Socratic method.
If you argue with them and tell them that they're wrong or insult them, they'll get angrier.
So if you have friends who are on the left, you can be like, you know...
Whenever they say something, just pull up on your phone a source.
This is why I always like using CNN and NPR and their sources.
I like using corporate press sources to debunk what they're saying.
And I often tell people, too, they're like, the media never reported this thing.
I'll be like, dude, I pulled it up on the New York Times.
They reported on it.
It's just the Democrat establishment forces will ignore stories from the corporate press.
If someone claims Joe Biden never did insert thing, I'm going to make sure the report comes from CNN because then they can't deny it.
So it's things like that.
Other than that, it's tough.
The reality is to change someone's mind and help them understand, you need to surround them with people who will influence them.
ian crossland
If you reorient people towards kind of what Occupy Wall Street was about, which is international banking, like that really is the biggest threat to our way of life is corporate Totalitarianism, technocracy, so there is something that all Americans can focus on, at least most Americans can focus on, that we can agree with, that having corporations run our lives is not ideal.
josie glabach
And you have to be gentle with how you do it because these people, since at least 2012-2013 with the NDAA, they haven't been told they were wrong in a very long time.
They've had their confirmation bias inflated for 12 straight years.
phil labonte
She's right.
You have to let them come to it, to present them with the idea.
And then allow them don't try to make them change their mind.
Don't try to change anyone's mind.
You'll never ever do it.
Present them with stuff that conflicts with their preconceived notion and just let it go.
Just let them and like, you know, don't constantly do it.
But every once in a while be like, oh, you see this or something like that.
And let them change at their own pace.
If they feel like you're trying to convince them of anything, the walls go up, the heels get dug in the dirt, just let them change.
There's a dude that I'm very, very close with that is very anti-Trump and very, very blue-pilled.
After Joe Biden was elected and after he saw the results, His tone about politics is 100% different than it was right before Joe Biden was elected, and it is much easier to talk to him, but you never try and shove anything down anyone's throat.
Never try and make anyone see things a different way.
Always just give them the option.
tim pool
Real quick, just with the data coming out of the New York Times, a lot more of the voters come in.
There still is a slim possibility, based on their estimates, that Nikki Haley beats Ron DeSantis.
They're projecting Haley between 17% and 21% to DeSantis' 19% to 23%.
I don't think it's likely.
And the Vague is still sitting around 8%.
They expect him to hit around 7% to 9%.
Interestingly, Nikki Haley did end up losing Johnson County.
Which was supposedly this very, you know, liberal area.
Trump won.
Nikki Haley currently has Story County.
And I would also say, it's kind of sad.
We actually saw Vivek doing rather well, but I'm not sure if Vivek actually has any counties in third place.
ian crossland
I see him with one bound delegate.
tim pool
Which is good.
But I think, okay, here we go.
He's in third place in Appanoose County so far.
And the neighboring Wayne County.
So he does have some where he's in third place.
josie glabach
You scrolled over Polk County earlier.
tim pool
Where's that at?
josie glabach
It's below Des Moines.
Somewhere below there.
Congressman Massey had tweeted that, or had shouted out that DeSantis won it, but when you pulled it up, it was... You sure it's below?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
tim pool
Oh, okay, it is Des Moines, right.
josie glabach
Okay, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, Trump.
josie glabach
Yeah, it was for Trump.
Thomas Massey said that it was for DeSantis.
unidentified
What?
josie glabach
Yeah, I guess he got early results and it wasn't, though.
tim pool
Massey, Massey.
What a silly thing to tweet.
josie glabach
I know.
tim pool
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Tsk, tsk.
josie glabach
We still love you.
It's okay.
unidentified
Your question, ma'am?
My name is Julie.
I'm visiting here from Nebraska, and I just needed to represent the ladies.
I don't know if you guys noticed that there's about a six or seven to one ratio out here of guys.
josie glabach
I have not noticed this at all.
tim pool
I bring that up all the time, don't I?
No, I point that out on the show several times.
Like, you go to any, like, event, sporting event or whatever, it's always like eight Eight to two?
Four to one?
unidentified
I'm in a metal band.
You should see what that's like.
I'm actually really politically active in Nebraska, and then I've come up here to Iowa to work with the Team Trump events.
And I've also been able to go to an RFK Junior event in Nebraska and the V-Vakes event here last week on Wednesday.
And I just wanted to point out there's a lot of energy at a lot of these events, but they're not people from Iowa.
The Iowa people, I think, are, you know, you can't judge by what you see in the crowds.
I think that they get oversaturated.
I've done the caucus cards, and there was a couple events where most of the crowd was from Nebraska, South Dakota, and these other states.
So I think there is energy for Vivek.
Um, it's just not all centered in, in Iowa.
So I think he, he has the potential to, to do better, um, in the future, but, uh, I love going to these events, but they're very, very, very deceiving when you, a lot of the people drive.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Long ways to come to these, yeah.
The actual amount of people from Iowa that I talk to is probably 5-10% of the people that I would talk to at an event.
tim pool
Let's do this.
Show of hands, how many people in the room right now are from Iowa?
So what, like half?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Maybe?
Like currently living in Iowa?
unidentified
Is that less?
Yeah, I'd say about half.
tim pool
About half.
And that makes sense.
A lot of people drove here from neighboring states or from a few hours out.
I'd imagine, with internet popularity, you... You know, I've talked about this with, like, AOC.
And we were talking about it with, like, Civil War stuff.
Back in the day, everything was much more regional.
AOC is able... It's not just sort of the squad.
If you look at where their revenue comes from, their donations, overwhelmingly from outside their own district.
They're internet candidates that represent an amorphous online Nebulous community with no geographic center point.
And even for this show, it's obvious that about half the people are from Iowa, were in Iowa, so it's easy for them to come.
Somebody who lives in New York is not going to come to this event.
It's too difficult.
But people from Minnesota or from Illinois or slightly neighboring areas might take the drive to come visit because it's an opportunity.
Same thing is going to happen to Vivek or any other internet-based candidate.
unidentified
I just had one more thing to the gentleman from Wisconsin that was talking about the state turning or being purple.
And the best way to change that is to get involved on the local level.
In Nebraska, we were run by pretty big rhino Pete Ricketts.
I don't know.
He was our governor and 75% of the funding for our party.
The grassroots took over in 2022.
and are changing the direction of the party and bringing in more grassroots.
And there's definitely more energy.
But the only way you're going to make change on that is at the local level, because that's where these laws are voting laws.
And all those procedures come from your state legislature.
So don't look past what's going on in your local area and focus too much on what's happening nationally.
josie glabach
Yeah, Julie is absolutely right.
It's about getting on your school board, your sheriff's department, your select board, starting there, working your way into state senate, state representative, and that's where you're going to make the changes.
When the communists infiltrated America, they started at a very small level and they worked their way up into the Tim, I know you have a hard out in 10 minutes.
One more or two more?
I think maybe two more if we try and go quick.
I mean, I don't know.
We have 10 minutes, but we do have a hard out, so.
we can learn something from the communists.
unidentified
Tim, I know you have a hard out in 10 minutes. One more or two more?
tim pool
I think maybe two more if we try and go quick.
I mean, I don't know, we have 10 minutes, but we do have a hard out.
unidentified
Name and question, sir?
Alec, I actually have two questions.
tim pool
Oh, too many. No, next person.
unidentified
I want to step back to the beginning of the show.
You guys are talking about the tunnels in New York City.
Seamus, is it like the stealing of the spoons just happenstance that you dug those tunnels?
This is another sick, false accusation.
I will not hear it.
Alright, so my real question is, we talk about dismantling the corporate governments around The FBI, the ATF, the CIA, and everything else.
I love the idea about that.
But I've been, like, reading the books on tape and so on, and there's a lot of things talking about, like, the dictators down in South America.
Was it Condor, Project Condor, wherever it was?
A lot of the times you'd have these systems that are being torn down, and often they're being replaced in the back end through other I don't know about worse, but possibly.
Maybe the same.
It's hard to know for sure.
If we had tear down the CIA, the ATF, and all those other ones, would they just be replaced
with even more tyrannical and worse people?
tim pool
I don't know about worse, but possibly, maybe the same.
It's hard to know for sure.
It just depends on who, it depends on the degree to which we win culturally.
If, you know, I think that, what did Ron Paul say about...
Abortion shouldn't be illegal, it should be unthinkable?
That's an idea that expands well beyond just the concept of abortion.
So many things should be unthinkable to our culture that are becoming permissible, even though people generally don't like them.
And so when it comes to, we get, we elect, we elect Donald Trump.
Let's say in 2028, Vivek is the guy and he ends up winning and he's massively popular for whatever reason.
And then we get, you know, with Donald Trump, you get the firing of a lot of bureaucrats, the relocation, although Trump has said what he wants to bolster the FBI headquarters or something.
So who knows?
But let's say Vivek doesn't start crushing everything.
Maybe at this point, culturally, we don't tolerate the existence of these institutions and then nothing replaces them.
It just depends.
I think the interesting thing to think about is Why is it that in Russia, you can offer a bribe to a cop with no question and no fear, and in the United States, no one would dare do it?
The police officer has scruples.
It's not just that he fears doing something wrong like that.
Some cops will take bribes, for sure.
The average cop is like, yo, I will go to jail.
I'm scared.
Like, in Russia, the cop expects you to give him a bribe.
There's a culture that's different from the United States to Russia as it pertains to what law enforcement is willing or capable of doing.
And now in the United States, law enforcement scruples have been eroded.
Now you've got cops in Texas who are willing to actually engage in human smuggling themselves.
And they don't care why.
They fear nothing.
So, as this continues to erode, if we don't change this mentality, You will get more and more law enforcement behaving like they do in the collapsed former Soviet states, or the former Soviet states, I'll just call them that.
When you're at the point where cops are like, I will take money to engage in human smuggling and facilitate crimes against this country, that's worse than accepting bribes.
Of course the FBI's gonna have massive corruption in it, the CIA of course, the deep state, the intelligence agencies.
What solves that is when that cop is terrified, he will go to prison for the rest of his life, and that's a guarantee.
You know, you have this video from Taylor Hanson, Tenet Media, shout out, and the cop's yelling at him.
The cop is worried he'll get caught.
He just doesn't think anyone will do anything about it, because the criminals are running the clown show right now.
I mean, Biden's in office, it's not gonna happen to him.
But if people find out Oh, then his neighbors are going to yell at him, so he doesn't like being filmed.
We need to make sure, one, we elect Donald Trump, and if something bad happens, God forbid, someone like Vivek Ramaswamy, if not Vivek, and then we make sure each and every one of these law enforcement officers know, scruples are back baby, we will find you, you will be criminally charged, and you will suffer the consequences for breaking the law.
Then I don't care if we have an FBI or a CIA.
I mean, if the FBI was doing what the FBI is, on paper, supposed to be doing, investigating federal crimes, like, let's talk about what the FBI should do.
Human traffickers?
Arrested.
Child traffickers?
Arrested.
What are they really doing?
Pull rope in a garage?
Investigation.
Donald Trump orange man bad?
Arrest his supporters who are bumbling around, like, you know, on January 6th in D.C.
A functioning, legitimate Federal Investigative Bureau is fine.
So, what we need to do is, it's simple.
Win culturally.
Convince everybody law enforcement exists.
You will be held accountable for your actions.
There is no escaping it.
unidentified
Okay, I'll come back to the caucus here.
So I'm Joe, and two weeks ago a canvasser for DeSantis came to my door.
She's from Virginia, and she's like, who are you going to vote for?
Stuff like that.
And I said, have you checked out Vivek?
And she's like, who?
She had no clue.
I pulled open Clips.
She flipped.
She had a DeSantis shirt on, and we sat down on our steps, and we watched Clips.
She's like, I really like this.
tim pool
The old switcheroo.
unidentified
And so what's interesting, so this is a little bit pro-Vivek a little bit, is that there needs to be someone that is connecting with people on this level that isn't Trump.
He's great.
We'll vote for him.
But he's coming in behind and scooping up people that don't have this Trump mentality of, no way, never, never, never.
But Vivek is actually selling the American dream better than Trump in the sense of his words, showing it with his family, his kids are there.
It's a super sweet dream.
And it's not Trump like, oh, they hate me.
No, it's great.
You know, I'll still vote for him.
But I'm saying that he's saying the American dream, make America great again.
But a lot of these younger kids don't know what that means.
Make America Great 10 years ago, because that's when I was born, or whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
So Vivek is actually painting that picture really well, and if Vivek wasn't part of it, then it's just Trump, and then say he gets in or whatever, it ends with him.
But we need somebody painting that picture, so then he scoops in all these other people that will actually go to Trump.
tim pool
I gotta say, one thing that was pointed out, I can't remember who pointed this out to us, and they said Vivek can never win because even people who know him can't pronounce his name right.
And the point there is not that his name is odd or whatever, it's that the amount of, like, the fact that, I mean, you called him Vivek, even though he's repeatedly said it's a Veik-like cake and he has to correct people all the time, it means that he's not pushing information enough to individuals to know enough about him.
Donald Trump is unforgettable.
His name is known by everybody.
When Hillary Clinton made love Trump's hate signs, I thought she was, when I first saw it, I was like, she's telling me to love Trump?
Like Trump is hateful and I should love his actions?
I don't understand.
Oh, they meant love is better than hate.
I didn't understand it because his name is just, it's always going to be the proper noun, paramount.
Vivek is doing a lot of great things, and he's spreading a really great message, but I think it is fair to say that one example of how he's not generating enough is that people don't even know how to say his name.
It's unfortunate.
I don't know how you solve for that.
But I agree with you.
I'm hoping he can be the plan B backbench.
But we do have a couple superchats that have pointed out, after this election, Vivek is gone.
And the idea is kind of like, what keeps Vivek relevant after this election if he's not chosen for a position in the Trump administration and is not frequenting the press?
If he goes the podcast route, no, that's great.
You know, he'll be a podcaster.
There's not a path from there back to the presidency.
So I'm not sure what his plan is, but I do think he's a smart enough guy to figure something out.
The answer's gonna have to be, if we do want Vivek as, you know, the up-and-coming young stars to look forward to in the future, Trump is going to have to embrace Vivek and offer him some kind of position.
Or, even if it's not, like, a direct cabinet position, it could be some kind of, like, business consulting position where Vivek is kept in the light.
So that, you know, going to the next cycle, he's there and in front of everyone.
ian crossland
You know, he's a musician.
I'd love to play... He's on keys.
We should get him on keys, Gaff, or something.
Some hot hit song, man.
Because I could see that guy just jamming, dude.
tim pool
But I don't know if anyone else wanted to wrap this one up before we do our sign off.
Anything else to say?
Well, in that case, thank you all so much for hanging out for this live in Iowa caucus show.
We're looking at all of the other primary events.
We're trying to figure it out because I'm not going to say too much.
March, our plan was for this big show, it may be changing, and I just want to say this, Pittsburgh is an impossible city.
I guess the leftist influence is too extreme, and the general thing that we're hearing is the venues, let me be very careful how I say this, without naming any individual group, but it would seem they're very terrified of the very active far-left contingent, and The threat of violence is legitimate.
So I'm not sure that Pittsburgh will allow us to do the show because if the venues don't let us in, they don't let us in.
Cleveland, Ohio is another option.
Perhaps Akron, Ohio.
ian crossland
Yeah, maybe Blossom Music Center.
That place is hot.
tim pool
We'll see.
luke rudkowski
I gotta rest in Pittsburgh.
It's not a fun place to be in.
tim pool
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ian crossland
He's so good.
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unidentified
Luke, take it away.
luke rudkowski
I'm doing a lot of really fun things on LukeUnfiltered.com.
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unidentified
My name's Seamus Coghlan.
I run a channel called Freedom Tunes.
We do animated cartoons.
If y'all wanna go over there and check that out, I'd appreciate it.
There's also a chance I might be appearing alongside Luke on his show in the next week or two.
luke rudkowski
There might be some internal battles.
We'll have to see.
But you gotta plug your website.
TheWorstPoliticalShow.com No, no, no, no.
unidentified
TheWorstPoliticalShow.com That's actually a good URL.
Do you have that?
luke rudkowski
No, it is my website.
I bought TheWorstPoliticalShow.com And it redirects to Seamus?
Yes.
unidentified
That's that's good branding, I appreciate it.
FreedomTunes.com, thank you for the promotion.
Go to FreedomTunes.com and become a member.
FreedomTunes.com, become a member.
luke rudkowski
Thank you all.
It's easier to remember.
tim pool
Oh, it really does.
luke rudkowski
It redirects to Seamus.
You're welcome, Seamus.
unidentified
You're a good friend.
luke rudkowski
Thank you.
unidentified
Thank you.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
You guys follow me on the internet, and tomorrow I'll be interviewing my father.
I'm very excited.
We're just gonna shoot the shit.
See what happens.
I want to find out.
He was in the Navy during Vietnam.
He's got an interesting perspective on all this stuff, so it'll be really fun.
It'll be in the afternoon, about 1 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time on YouTube.
phil labonte
Check it out.
I am PhilThatRemains on X. I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, you know, the internet.
josie glabach
And I'm Josie.
I'm the redheaded libertarian over on X. And I host a show called Spaces with Josie, which you can watch on X or on MembersOnly at TimCast.com.
If you're a member, you can go watch that.
And my handle is TRHLOfficial over on X.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
Thank you all so much to everybody who came and watched here in person and threw us questions.
Thank you to everybody who's watching online.
We are back tomorrow.
Right now, we are going to get in our cars and drive on icy roads to get to a jet so we can make it back to the studio so I can record once again at like 8 or 9 a.m.
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
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