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Nov. 9, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - GOP DEBATE LIVE & TRUMP RALLY Commentary Stream w/Robby Starbuck
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chris christie
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ian crossland
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nikki haley
16:18
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phil labonte
09:03
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robby starbuck
20:01
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ron desantis
15:07
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tim pool
21:39
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tim scott
11:01
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vivek ramaswamy
16:30
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kristen welker
02:07
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serge du preez
00:58
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unidentified
We're going live!
tim pool
We're a little early because tonight the GOP lesser-known debates are going to be happening at the same time.
Donald Trump will be having a rally and we're gonna do both!
We are going to comment on both the GOP debates and Donald Trump's rally.
And I have a feeling we're going to be like, oh, that was a good thing Trump said, and then we're going to go back to the GOP debates and be like, wow, that was a really stupid thing that they said.
But it is what it is.
Welcome to politics, everybody.
We all know that these people who are in the lesser-known Republican debate aren't going anywhere near the White House unless it's going to be in some kind of cabinet position, if that.
And that might just be like maybe Vivek Ramaswamy, but we'll talk about that And then, uh, we're not going to have any big, uh, we're not going to have a members-only show tonight, we're going to actually just do, uh, Super Chats after the debate ends at 10pm.
But before we get started, my friends, go to TimCast.com, watch Infringed, if you haven't already.
You don't want to miss it.
It's nearly two hours long, it's an hour and forty minutes, so you are getting your, uh, you're getting banged for your buck.
Lawrence Southern, John Detwiler were on the show last night.
This is a documentary exploring the perspective of many people who are working on guns, who produce gun content, and it's all about defending our right to keep and bear arms and explaining the issues, explaining what governments do, explaining why these laws don't work, and explaining why you need to be able to defend yourself.
So I think for a lot of people, if you know somebody who's into gun control, Show them the documentary.
Have them watch it.
Ask them what they think.
They might be like, you know, pull some liberal, I don't want to watch it, but we've put a hundred grand into marketing so far and we're probably just gonna go nuts and just dump a ton of money into promoting and pushing this documentary because it's about winning the culture war.
So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.
We're gonna be making fun of Republicans tonight.
Joining us tonight to help us in that endeavor is Robbie Starbuck.
robby starbuck
Good to see you guys.
tim pool
Welcome to the show.
unidentified
Who are you?
tim pool
What do you do?
robby starbuck
I am a podcast host.
I've got a documentary coming out called The War on Children that'll be out later this year.
Very excited about that.
And I have the honor of being on the list of the top misinformation spreaders with you.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
Me too.
robby starbuck
Yep.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
It's gonna be fun.
We got Phil.
phil labonte
Hi, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm a very failed musician, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
tim pool
I do think, sooner or later, someone who's never heard of you is going to be like, oh, that's really sad that he failed.
phil labonte
There are people that have been tweeting, dude, why do you say that?
You're so successful!
And usually I just go ahead and I send them the clip of Hassan making a little pose.
tim pool
You gotta show the clip of Hassan saying it, then you gotta play the Curb Your Enthusiasm music with you on stage before Metallica.
ian crossland
I'll see a commenter once where they're like, oh, that's Phil?
They realize who you are after watching you and they're like, Two weeks got me through the breakup.
It saved my life.
phil labonte
It's a lot of people.
You know, I mean, that song and there's a couple others that have really touched some people and I'm really, really humbled every time I hear it.
ian crossland
I hope to one day have a story like that.
That is very impressive, Phil.
I'm Ian Crossland.
Happy to be here, guys.
Serge, talk to me.
serge du preez
We're a minute and a half out from the RNC debate.
We went live early because usually when the debate starts right at 8, we're like, quick, quick, quick.
We gotta rush.
We gotta rush.
It's starting.
So we're chillin'.
ian crossland
We got a minute.
unidentified
Countdown.
tim pool
Well, I don't know, maybe that worked.
Look, we're a minute and a half out from the RNC debate.
So we went live early because usually when the debate starts right at 8, we're like,
quick, quick, quick, we gotta rush, we gotta rush, it's starting.
So we're chillin'.
We got a minute.
Countdown.
How you doin'?
phil labonte
It's been a good day.
We are engaging in war in the Middle East again.
tim pool
Oh yeah, we're bombing Syria.
Seven Nashville police officers, I think it was, they got suspended.
Is that what happened?
phil labonte
Which is a horrible, horrible development.
robby starbuck
Horrible, horrible.
Being from there, very upset about it.
These officers should be getting commendations for trying to tell the public the truth.
ian crossland
From where?
Where are you from?
phil labonte
Nashville.
robby starbuck
From Nashville, middle Tennessee.
ian crossland
Yeah, really?
robby starbuck
So, you know, I would say there has been so much hubbub made about this in so many different ways by the left trying to stop the public from finding out the truth.
The fact that seven officers We're willing to get involved to the degree that they must have to be suspended.
Tells you a lot more about the left's apparatus to try to shut people up and not trust the public with the truth.
The reality was this was always going to be better if you rip the band-aid off, you give the manifesto to the public, you let the public have the discussion.
Because it is going to happen one way or another.
You want to drip, drip, drip it out?
It's going to be worse.
ian crossland
Yeah, I made a comment, I think a few days ago about it, where I was like, let's just remember it's about the danger of racial supremacy.
It's not about white or black.
But like, the truth is, if you pour a lot of like, white people are bad.
It's in like, the only way to combat racism is with racism mentality, you get more racists.
And I think this is an example of that.
It's really, really disturbing.
Looks like the debate's coming on now.
tim pool
There we go.
ian crossland
I'm so excited for this.
robby starbuck
Here comes the B team.
unidentified
Luke Rutkowski's there.
tim pool
He's there with Josie.
unidentified
Biden cannot be the nominee.
So we had that election, uh, several elections the other day.
Democrats did pretty well.
People are freaking out.
electorate. Who is next to take on President Biden? And can any of them first beat Florida's
tim pool
new Trump?
Biden cannot be the nominee. So we had that election, several elections the other day.
Democrats did pretty well. People are freaking out. They're like, fire Ronald McDaniel. Democrats
are freaking out too.
They're like, this doesn't mean anything good for Biden.
In fact, it shows that what Jonathan Chait argued is the Democrats actually could win this, but Biden will tank the Democrats if he's on the ticket.
robby starbuck
They're going to replace him, 100%.
I've been saying it for two years, they'll replace him with Gavin Newsom.
He's already running a shadow campaign right now.
No question.
It's why he named that lady to the Senate seat in California, because she was the head of EMILY's List, which is one of their best activist arms on the left.
That secured the promise that they will support him becoming the new nominee.
I guarantee it.
He's going to be the guy.
And they are correct about that.
Biden is much weaker than the other Democrats.
tim pool
I'm wondering how they were moved.
Right now the talking heads are just pattering, so we'll just let them yammer.
ian crossland
Pitter-patter.
tim pool
Pitter-patter.
Ditter-datter.
Until we get to the actual questions here.
unidentified
Who do you think is going to win?
robby starbuck
Um, nobody.
The people who didn't watch.
I think they're going to be the winners.
phil labonte
The people that are watching TimCast tonight.
Yes, exactly.
robby starbuck
Watch us make fun of it.
Those are the winners.
ian crossland
Someone suggested this is Chris Christie and Tim Scott's last night on the stage.
phil labonte
I think that's my personal opinion, but tonight is likely to kind of be the ushering out of Tim Scott and Chris Christie if they don't make some kind of Serious move and I don't see either of them making a serious move.
I think that the real show tonight is Us making fun of yes.
Yes The people there are most concerned with Nikki Haley and with with Ron DeSantis Ron DeSantis needs to solidify that he should be in first place Or in I'm sorry in second place behind Donald Trump and Nikki Haley is looking to not I'll just say, I said it earlier, the fact that Will Chamberlain is not running his campaign is evidence the man is too stupid to be president.
Yeah, Will's a smart guy.
tim pool
Because Will was working for him, Will's not working for him now, and Will put out this long argument, calm and rational, without attacking Trump supporters about why he thought Ron was the guy, and he just gets, like, look, The DeSantis people are getting vicious.
Will is keeping it calm.
And they did not utilize him.
They instead put their morons in charge.
Let's jump into the debate.
Here we go.
unidentified
Republican primary voters as his legal challenges mount.
Governor DeSantis, let me begin with you on this one.
Speak to Republican voters who are supporting Donald Trump.
Why should you and not him be the Republican nominee to face Joe Biden a year from now?
ron desantis
This country is in trouble, and the elites that have put us here, they don't care about you.
They don't care that you're having to grapple with higher grocery prices or have higher gas prices.
They don't care that your family's less secure because of the open border that's allowed drugs and even terrorists to come into this country.
Well, I care.
I am not going to sit idly by and let this country continue its downward spiral.
We need leadership, and we need it now.
I'll take the hits.
I'll take the arrows, I'll take the slings, because ultimately it's not about me.
It's about you.
I will fight for you.
I will make sure to lead this country's revival, and I will win for you and your family.
Actions speak louder than words.
We don't have time for excuses, and it's not something that we're going to be able to have all these distractions.
As a veteran, I will get the job done.
If you look where we are now, it's a lot different than we were in 2016.
And Donald Trump's a lot different guy than he was in 2016.
He owes it to you to be on this stage and explain why he should get another chance.
He should explain why he didn't have Mexico pay for the border wall.
He should explain why he racked up so much debt.
He should explain why he didn't drain the swamp.
And he said Republicans were going to get tired of winning.
Well, we saw last night I'm sick of Republicans losing.
In Florida, I showed how it's done.
One year ago here, we won a historic victory, including a massive landslide right here in Miami-Dade County.
That's how we have to do it.
So I promise you this, as the nominee, next November I'll get the job done, and as president, I will deliver for you.
tim pool
Everyone is spamming high heels and boots in chat.
ron desantis
You don't take slings, by the way.
unidentified
Slings throw bullets.
Why you and not the former president?
nikki haley
Well, I think you look at the fact that we're almost $34 trillion in debt.
60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
50% of American families can't afford diapers.
1 in 6 American families can't pay their utility bills.
You have parents who are worried about what's being said or taught to their child in the classroom.
There's no transparency.
We have anti-Semitism all over our college campuses, and students feel unsafe.
You've got an open border where terrorists can come through, and we've got wars happening all over us, and there are dangers around us.
tim pool
You know, everybody wants to talk about President Trump.
nikki haley
Well, I can talk about President Trump.
I can tell you that I think he was the right president at the right time.
I don't think he's the right president now.
I think that he put us $8 trillion in debt, and our kids are never going to forgive us for that.
I think the fact that he used to be right on Ukraine and foreign issues, now he's getting weak in the knees and trying to be friendly again.
I think that we've got to go back to the fact that we can't live in the past.
We can't live in other headlines.
We've got to start focusing on what's going to make America strong and proud.
And that's what I'm focused on doing.
Let's make sure we pay Let's lay down our debt.
I think we need an accountant in the White House.
Let's make sure that we have transparency in the classroom.
As a mom, I know what that means.
Let's make sure we secure our borders so that our families are safe.
Let's get crime down, because our families want to know that they can be safe no matter where they go.
And as the wife of a combat veteran, I will tell you, the military needs to know we have our back, and we need to make sure that America is safe.
tim pool
How does she talk like that with her teeth not opening her mouth?
unidentified
She's talking like this, you know what I mean?
phil labonte
The majority of the Republicans up here, when it comes to domestic policy, I don't think that they're going to have anything that I would be strongly against, but her foreign policy is completely and totally out of the question.
Completely out of the question.
unidentified
Here we go, Vivek.
Oh yeah, completely out of the question.
Here we go with that.
vivek ramaswamy
I was hoping somebody would mention that.
It was a cancer to the Republican establishment.
Let's speak the truth.
I mean, since Ronald McDaniel took over.
unidentified
Yeah, call her out!
vivek ramaswamy
Call her out!
2018, 2020, 2022, no red wave that never came.
We got trounced last night in 2023.
And I think that we have to have a accountability in our party. For that matter, Ron, if you
want to come on stage tonight, you want to look the GOP voters in the eye and tell them
you resign, I will turn over my yield my time to you.
unidentified
Yes. Yes. Yes.
vivek ramaswamy
People are cheering for losing in the Republican Party.
Yeah. Think about who's this debate.
robby starbuck
This should be please get a camera of her face.
vivek ramaswamy
Rogan and Elon Musk. We'd have 10 times the viewership actually care about bringing more
people into our party.
unidentified
You think the Democrats, I mean we've got Kristen Welker here, you think the Democrats
vivek ramaswamy
would actually hire Greg Gutfeld to host a Democratic debate?
unidentified
That's crazy.
phil labonte
Wow.
vivek ramaswamy
I'm going to use this time because this is actually about you in the media and the corrupt
media establishment.
Oh man, wow.
And asking the Trump-Russia collusion hoax that you pushed on this network for years.
Wow.
Was that real or was that Hillary Clinton made up disinformation?
Answer the question.
unidentified
Good on you.
Oh.
He's a big liar.
Good for you, but they...
Whoa, did he just knock, did he just knock what's-her-name out of second place?
vivek ramaswamy
Wow.
They rigged the 2016 election.
They rigged the 2020 election with a Hunter Biden laptop story.
Mr. Rambiswamy, your time is up.
unidentified
And they're going to rig this election on the CF accountability.
vivek ramaswamy
Let me turn you on.
unidentified
Go for it.
robby starbuck
Wow.
Honestly, maybe the best line out of all the debates that there's been was...
Wow.
Yes.
unidentified
That's the best opening of a debate I think I've seen in my whole life.
Let's not do this on the candidates because, Governor Christie, why you and not former
phil labonte
President Trump?
unidentified
Well, let's look.
I think that's a good way to end this.
You said it at the beginning of the debate.
chris christie
We are dealing with extraordinarily important issues facing this country right now.
robby starbuck
Wait, are those crumbs on his shirt?
chris christie
We have our greatest ally in the Middle East under fire from a terrorist group that has committed to wiping them and every Jewish person in this world off the map.
We have Ukraine with Vladimir Putin, a communist KGB dictator who wants to put the old band back together.
He's starting in Ukraine and he's going to move to the Baltics and Poland after that.
We have inflation in this country that is choking, choking every American family that wants to try to rise up and give their children a better life.
And tonight, we need to decide.
Which president is going to be the one to tackle the big issues?
Who's going to make this country look once again, not just inward, but look outward at the world and say, America is the country, the indispensable nation that makes this a safer world.
And in a safer world, American innovation, American hard work has always been the thing that has driven our country to greater things.
I'm going to be the president who will do those big things.
We're not going to be small.
And I'll say this about Donald Trump.
unidentified
We're not going to be small.
chris christie
No, we are not.
Focusing on keeping themselves out of jail and courtrooms, cannot lead this party or this country, and it needs to be said plainly.
unidentified
Governor, thank you.
Let me turn to Senator Scott.
Senator Scott, you've said former President Trump can't win.
Make your case to Republican voters.
tim scott
Well, certainly.
What I would say without any question is that the truth of my life destroys the lies of the radical left.
We need a president and a candidate who will actually help our base solidify and attract independent voters into
our party.
The Great Opportunity Party is now winning back African American voters and Hispanic
voters because we are working on a foundation based on faith.
Our nation is facing some deep challenges.
It is the loss of faith in this nation that is part of the erosion that we're seeing every single day.
It's restoring faith, restoring our Christian values that will help this nation once again become the city on the hill.
When Ronald Reagan talked about the city on the hill, he was coming from Matthew 5.
When President Lincoln talked about a house divided, that was Mark.
Our founding documents speak to the importance of a faith foundation.
You don't have to be a Christian for America to work for you, but America does not work without a faith-filled Judeo-Christian foundation.
I would be the president that helps us restore faith in God, faith in each other, and faith in our future.
Without that focus, none of the issues, the policies, matter.
We have to get back to being a nation that is, in fact, the city on the hill that believes in each other enough for us to fight for that future.
tim pool
Vivek didn't answer the question about why he should be the president over Trump.
ian crossland
He just showed us why.
tim pool
It's an impossible question to answer if you don't want to piss off the Trump base, but he knows how to answer the question in a political way.
robby starbuck
Oh yeah, 100%.
phil labonte
Ian's right.
He just demonstrated.
He demonstrated the kind of leadership, the kind of aggression, the kind of confidence that you want in someone that would be Commander-in-Chief.
robby starbuck
And didn't anger Trump if he wants that other slot.
tim pool
He actually was helping Trump!
unidentified
Yeah.
ron desantis
Here we go.
ian crossland
Holy!
unidentified
to do at this moment.
Governor DeSantis.
ron desantis
I would be telling BB, finish the job once and for all with these butchers.
ian crossland
They're terrorists.
unidentified
Wow.
ron desantis
Wow.
Ron just lost tons of support.
innocent people, they would wipe every Jew off the globe if they could.
He cannot live with that threat right by his country.
Hamas should release every hostage and they should unconditionally surrender.
I'm sick of hearing other people blame Israel just for defending itself.
We will stand with Israel in word and in deed, in public and in private.
And I can tell you, as governor, I actually did something about it.
Biden's neglect has been atrocious.
We had Floridians that were over there after the attack.
He left them stranded.
They couldn't get flights out.
So I scrambled resources in Florida.
I sent planes over to Israel and I brought back over 700 people to safety.
There could have been more hostages had we not asked.
robby starbuck
The lack of specificity in the opening is the problem because for all of us who went through Iraq and Afghanistan, it could feel like, hey, we want to break this open to a huge wide war instead of targeting Hamas.
unidentified
Right.
ron desantis
So there's a difference between words and deeds.
We acted and we save lives.
unidentified
Thank you.
Ambassador Haley, what would you do?
What would you be urging Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to do?
Would you consider humanitarian pause, for example?
nikki haley
The first thing I said to him when it happened was, I said, finish them.
Finish them.
And the reason is, I worked on this every day when I was at the United Nations.
And we have to remember that they have to, one, eliminate Hamas.
Two, support Israel with whatever they need, whenever they need it.
And three, make sure we bring our hostages home.
We need to be very clear-eyed to know there would be no Hamas without Iran.
There would be no Hezbollah without Iran.
There would not be the Houthis without Iran.
And there wouldn't be the Iranian militias in Syria and Iraq that are trying to hit our military men and women if it hadn't been for Iran.
And who is funding Iran right now?
China is buying oil from Iran.
Russia is getting drones and missiles from Iran.
And there is an unholy alliance.
We need to be clear-eyed.
The last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do.
The only thing we should be doing is supporting them in eliminating Hamas.
It is not that Israel needs America.
America needs Israel.
They are the tip of the spear when it comes to this Islamic terrorism, and we need to make sure that we have their backs in that process.
unidentified
What does that mean?
The tip of the spear in regards to this Islamic terrorism?
ian crossland
It's causing it?
serge du preez
I think she means the tip of the spear in the war against Iran, personally.
robby starbuck
I think she means, like, they're going to be the first bodies to be sacrificed.
vivek ramaswamy
I would go one step further.
The founding vision of Israel was based on the idea that they don't want to depend on anybody else's sympathy or direction in defending themselves.
So what I would tell Bibi is that Israel has the right and the responsibility to defend itself.
I would tell him to smoke those terrorists on his southern border, and then I'll tell him as President of the United States, I'll be smoking the terrorists on our southern border.
unidentified
That's his responsibility.
vivek ramaswamy
This is our responsibility.
That's how we move forward.
But I want to be careful to avoid making the mistakes from the neocon establishment of the past.
Corrupt politicians and voter parties spent trillions, killed millions, made billions for themselves in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting wars that set thousands of our sons and daughters, people my age, to die in wars that did not advance anyone's interests.
adding $7 trillion to our national debt.
Joe Biden sold off our foreign policy.
Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, got a $5 million bribe from Ukraine.
That's why we're sending $200 billion back to that same country.
The fact of the matter is the Republican Party is not that much better.
You have the likes of Nikki Haley, who stepped down from her time at the UN.
Bankrupt or in debt was her family.
Then she becomes a military contractor, she joins the board of Boeing and otherwise, and is now a multi-millionaire.
So I think that that's wrong when Republicans do it or Democrats do it.
That's the choice we face.
Do you want a leader from a different generation who's going to put this country first, or do you want Dick Cheney in three-inch heels?
unidentified
You're the president, you're on the phone in the Oval Office with the Prime Minister of Ottawa.
tim pool
He's been working on these zingers for a while.
robby starbuck
We need the Joe Rogan meme from the UFC fight.
tim scott
Do you have the responsibility and right to wipe Hamas off of the map?
We will support you.
We'll be there with you.
We'll stand shoulder to shoulder.
There'll be no daylight.
I would change the station a little bit, though, and head back home to America.
I would say to President Biden, diplomacy only is a weak strategy.
Appeasement leads to war.
From President Obama to President Biden, Obama sent millions to Iran.
Frankly, President Biden has sent billions to Iran.
That is why I've said that there's blood dripping from the hands of President Obama and President Biden.
I would tell President Biden with great clarity, if you want to stop the 40 plus attacks on military personnel in the Middle East, you have to strike in Iran.
If you want to make a difference, you cannot just continue to have strikes in Syria on warehouses.
You actually have to cut off the head of the snake and the head of the snake is Iran and not simply their proxies.
In order for us to have a powerful response.
unidentified
Every time someone mentions we're not sending our young men to die in Iran, no.
tim scott
Iran is not Iraq.
unidentified
It is not the same kind of thing.
It is not Iraq. It is not the same kind of thing. It is a technologically advanced army.
It is not Iraq.
Senator Scott, thank you. Governor Christie, I want to get you to weigh in here.
chris christie
Look, Lester, these problems are so big and serious that the first thing I would say to
unidentified
President Obama is that we've got to get to the bottom of this.
I'm trying to be responsible here, okay?
chris christie
You need, at any time, to preserve the State of Israel.
Remember that Hamas's main goal is to get rid of Israel.
is to get Israel absolutely off the map.
Now, there are three things I think I would say to him when he asks for advice.
The first I would say is that it is absolutely your obligation to- Alright, real quick, I gotta read this super chat from Daniel Trin- uh, Trunks?
tim pool
Uh, Trinka?
He says, I'm confused.
Dick Cheney in three-inch heels.
Is he talking about Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis?
chris christie
It creates greater unrest in the entire region.
Second, you must go in and make sure that Hamas can never do this again.
The fact is that Israel and their intelligence community failed.
They failed here, and they failed the people of the state of Israel.
And so we need to work closely and better together to make sure, one, that they're degraded, and two, that we know everything that's going on inside the Gaza Strip, when it's going on, so that something like this can't happen to kill 1,400 individuals again.
unidentified
It's Israel's responsibility, not America's responsibility.
chris christie
And the third thing is to keep your eye on the ball.
Make sure that we continue to isolate Iran.
Work with the reasonable nations in the Middle East, the other Arab nations who want to partner with you.
And make sure that we continue to isolate Iran so that their only friends in the world are the part of the evil foursome.
China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.
unidentified
Governor Christie, thank you very much.
And we're going to continue in this vein right now with a question from Matthew Brooks, the CEO of the Republican Jewish Coalition, a partner of the Republican National Committee in this debate.
Here it is.
Given attacks by Iranian-backed proxy groups on U.S.
military bases in Syria and Iraq, attacks that have wounded approximately two dozen of our U.S.
servicemen, do you support the use of military force by the United States against Iran?
No.
Governor Hanley, would you please answer that?
nikki haley
Yes, I'd first like to say they're 5-inch heels, and I don't wear them unless you can run in them.
unidentified
So she's accepting she's Dick Cheney.
We got two of you on stage!
tim pool
He said, we got two of you on stage!
nikki haley
I wear heels, they're not for a fashion statement, they're for ammunition.
What we need to be doing for Iraq and Syria is, first of all, the idea that our men and women could be targeted and that we've allowed almost a hundred hits to happen under Biden's watch is unthinkable.
We need to understand this is Iran giving the green light, telling them what to do, and we shouldn't be doing the tit-for-tat like what Joe Biden has done.
We need to go and take out their infrastructure that they are using to make those strikes with so they can never do it again.
No, Dick Cheney, for real.
You punch them one and you punch them hard and they will back off.
But what we don't need is Biden falling all over himself to get back in the Iran deal.
Him giving $6 billion to get five hostages home.
Him telling Netanyahu now that he needs a pause or a ceasefire.
We don't need him going and sitting there tiptoeing around Iran because he thinks they're
You don't respond to an enemy and a terrorist with fear.
You respond with strength.
When you do that, that's when the world pays attention and that's when Iran stops.
unidentified
Thank you.
Governor DeSantis, if I can continue with you, just today the U.S.
launched another one of its limited airstrikes against targets in Syria, this time Iranian-linked facility.
How far would you go militarily to hold Iran accountable?
ron desantis
Well, first, Matt, thanks for your question, and I appreciate what you've done over the last month.
I know it's been very difficult for the community, and I appreciate you guys rallying together in difficult times.
I actually served in Iraq back in the day, and we had al-Qaeda in Iraq.
You had Shia militias that were funded by Iran that were killing hundreds and hundreds of U.S.
troops.
And as Commander-in-Chief, I am not going to put our troops in harm's way Unless you're willing to defend them with everything you have.
Biden has them out there.
They're sitting ducks.
He's doing glancing blows.
That's just inviting more attacks from the Iranians.
I would say you harm a hair on the head.
of an American service member, and you are going to have hell to pay.
We are not just going to sit there and let our service members be sitting ducks, and that's true whether it's Iran or whether it's any country on the world.
We have to be strong and we have to defend the people who defend us.
unidentified
All right, thank you, Governor.
Now our second and final question from Matthew Brooks of the Republican Jewish Coalition.
Please watch.
Jewish students across the country are threatened and under attack.
What do you say to Jewish students on college campuses who feel unsafe given the dramatic rise in anti-semitism?
And what do you say to university presidents and college presidents who have not met the moral clarity moment to forcefully condemn Hamas terrorism?
tim pool
It was a professor who killed that Jewish elderly man.
vivek ramaswamy
I think the scourge of antisemitism across this country, including at places like my alma mater's and places like Brooklyn Bridge in New York, it's sad to see, but here's what history teaches us.
Antisemitism is a symptom of a deeper cancer in a country, in a society that is lost.
And we are lost.
Several years ago when I wrote my first book, Woke Inc., I was talking about they were chanting death to America, death to white people, death to Christians.
Nobody was waking up back then.
Now it's even bad.
Now they're saying death to Israel and worse.
So it is wrong, but we have to get to the root cause here.
Now, I think it's really important that we do this through leadership, not censorship.
Leadership means fill that void with purpose and meaning.
Dilute this wokeism and antisemitism to irrelevance.
These kids, they have no idea what the heck they're even talking about.
When they're siding with Hamas over Israel, they are fools.
But I also want to caution here, if we go the direction of Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley, with whom I respectfully disagree on this issue, pro-censorship, telling student groups to disband, mark my words, soon they will say if you question a vaccine and its side effects, you're a bioterrorist.
Soon they will say that if you show up at a school board meeting, you're a domestic terrorist.
He is just on point.
should be released. You're an insurrectionist terrorist. So that's where this road ends.
We don't quash this with censorship because that creates a worse underbelly. We quell
it through leadership by calling it out. These university administrators have lost their
way and we need leadership at the top in the United States of America that restores our
founding values and that has no place for this kind of anti-Semitic hate. That's where
I stand while respecting our constitution.
tim pool
He texted me when Ron DeSantis made that move and I talked to him about it and he was critical
of what Ron did in shutting down these groups despite the fact that they claim to be Hamas.
But I said that to Vivek, I was like, hey man, they're claiming to be Hamas, to support Hamas.
And then he said effectively, he was saying, he was like, no way dude, if you let him make this move, it's just a bunch of dumb kids, they're gonna go after everybody.
tim scott
I'm impressed.
I am too.
Your visa is a privilege, not a right.
Number three.
Any campus that allows for anti-Semitism and hate, to allow students to encourage terrorism, mass murder, mass murder and genocide, you should lose your federal funding today.
Period.
To all the students.
unidentified
They all should.
They all should.
Every single one.
robby starbuck
They should lose their federal funding anyway.
tim pool
Just do it anyway.
serge du preez
Just get rid of it, please.
unidentified
Dave Rubin is, like all of DeSantis' people, are complaining about Vivek.
phil labonte
Vivek hasn't really gone after DeSantis hard.
tim pool
It's the heels comment.
tim scott
Yeah.
robby starbuck
Oh, are they freaking out?
phil labonte
Dave Rubin called him names and there's someone else that supports the Santa that I know that's
tim scott
behind me.
A Jewish citizen has the right to walk on the streets of America with no fear.
They have the right to go to college campuses, go to class and not fear.
We will restore that.
I started working on anti-semitism on college campuses in 2017 because even then there was a rise of anti-semitism on college campuses.
We must force the people off those campuses.
ron desantis
Thank you.
unidentified
Let me turn to Governor DeSantis here.
What do you think about what he just said?
ron desantis
I was the first presidential candidate to say, if you are here on a student visa as a foreign national, you're making common cause with Hamas, I'm canceling your visa and I'm sending you home.
No questions asked.
I have friends here in Florida who their kids do not feel safe even going to university campus at all outside of the state of Florida.
You have Jewish students fleeing for their lives at Cooper Union.
Joe Biden should have the Department of Justice on these college campuses and holding the universities accountable for civil rights violations.
When you have, you should not have money going to these places.
I already acted in Florida.
We had a group students for justice of Palestine.
They said they are common cause with Hamas.
They said, we're not just in solidarity.
This is what we are.
We deactivated them.
unidentified
We're not going to use state tax dollars to fund jihad.
ron desantis
No way.
tim pool
And what is Biden doing?
robby starbuck
Yes, exactly.
I think that should be the line.
If you're actually a party to supporting a terrorist group, then charge them.
tim pool
They shut them down and told them to reform.
phil labonte
That's a good point, because that speaks to more issues than just the freedom of speech.
Exactly.
If someone is too dangerous to get on a plane, there shouldn't be no fly list, there should be charges.
Do something about it.
This half measure, and maybe they might be dangerous so we're going to violate their civil rights.
No.
robby starbuck
It can all be used to violate our civil rights.
That's really what it's about.
ian crossland
Didn't they make the Proud Boys a terrorist organization?
tim pool
In Canada.
But I do agree with having the DOJ investigate civil rights violations, because a lot of these far leftists are targeting actual Jews with violence, not Israelis.
They're coming to universities.
So that I agree with.
But disbanding a group... No, no, no.
If they go out and threaten people?
Okay.
If he said they were threatening Jewish students on campus, I'd say, okay, he's right.
chris christie
Yeah.
phil labonte
Charges, not these secret lists, not these red flag laws.
If someone's dangerous, charge them.
We have a justice system for a reason, and we have amendments that are alleged to or ostensibly supposed to prevent the federal government from doing things like putting people on lists.
robby starbuck
I do like pooling the student visas, though.
If you're not an American citizen, I don't think you're entitled to the same, you know, sort of You know, uh, us being careful with your rights, okay?
If you're not from here, and you're showing us even the possibility that you're gonna align with terror, like, you're good to go.
We're gonna, we're gonna ask you to leave.
tim pool
I do love he said, Tucker, Elon, and Rogan hosting the debate, 10 times the viewership.
unidentified
10?
robby starbuck
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Bro, it would be like 300 times the viewership.
phil labonte
Oh yeah, way bigger.
robby starbuck
Way bigger.
chris christie
I love that he went after the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Jewish Americans in New Jersey or Muslim Americans in New Jersey.
It takes leadership, Lester, to know how to do this.
You must work with both sides.
Both sides need to know it, but let us never have a false moral equivalence between Hamas and Hezbollah and the Jewish people.
The Jewish people stand for right and justice, and Hamas and Hezbollah stand for death.
unidentified
Governor Christie, thank you.
Ambassador Haley, what do you say to Americans who are simply afraid right now in this current environment that we're talking about?
nikki haley
I think, you know, you look at the country and the country is all out of sorts.
I think, look at what these kids are dealing with on college campuses.
unidentified
What makes me so angry is not only do you have the kids barricaded in the library.
They said they were going to shoot up the kosher dining hall.
nikki haley
You've got kids dorm rooms who are being set on fire because they have something related to Israel on their doors.
No person should ever feel in danger like this.
And this is what I would say about our college presidents.
Is if the KKK were doing this, every college president would be up in arms.
This is no different.
You should treat it exactly the same.
Anti-Semitism is just as awful as racism, and we've got to make sure they're protected.
And for everybody that's protesting on these college campuses in favor of Hamas, let me remind you something.
Hamas said death to Israel and death to America.
They hate and would kill you too.
And the idea that they're talking about genocide for the Jewish people, that's not the values of America.
That's not us.
We're better than that.
tim pool
Leftists hate America too.
nikki haley
We don't need to celebrate genocide.
We don't need to celebrate violence towards anybody.
We need to go back and soul-search in our country and remember what we are about.
And we are about taking care of people, not going and making them live in fear because some other terrorist activity says they want to destroy them.
kristen welker
I didn't even really understand that.
robby starbuck
It was just a lot of mumbo-jumbo.
unidentified
She was conflating Jewish with Israel, which is a big problem.
robby starbuck
The one part I agreed with was that these people would want to kill us too, obviously.
kristen welker
That's why we're armed.
Don't care.
tim scott
Never.
unidentified
Nope.
Nope.
Be forced to.
kristen welker
Now quote the price will be higher for the United States don't care and Americans would be forced to quote send your
Sons and daughters never and no NATO countries senator Scott. Where do you stand?
tim scott
Ukraine I certainly have been very supportive of Ukraine I believe that ultimately we should make sure that the President of the United States states what is America's national vital interest in Ukraine.
It is actually in degrading the Russian military.
We've been very effective using our resources and our weaponry and the incredibly high price
of Ukrainian blood to achieve that objective.
Every day we get closer to the degradation of the Russian military and that's good news.
But the American people are frustrated that they do not have a president who reminds us
and tells us where's the accountability?
Where are those dollars?
How are those dollars being spent?
We need those answers for us to continue to see the support for Ukraine.
tim pool
Let's see what Trump's doing.
robby starbuck
I oppose the use of young Ukrainian bodies and their blood Yeah, so that we can irritate Russia. I don't think we can
ian crossland
get the Trump really doesn't want to play The Russians are advancing their military through this conflict.
They're learning new tactics, figuring out what weapons don't work.
unidentified
Shutting down free speech, taking bribes and kickbacks to enrich themselves and their very spoiled children.
ian crossland
They're about to go to Rama Swamp.
robby starbuck
Oh, he's with the Cubans in Hialeah.
unidentified
Rigging and cheating.
tim pool
He said they're going to Vivec.
ian crossland
After this guy, I have a feeling they're going to Vivec.
unidentified
Cover up their colossal...
tim pool
We're not getting the connection for Trump.
robby starbuck
You know what our war strategy in America should be?
Like we should have an operating procedure for all elected officials that when we take a vote, which we should vote to go to war or not, when that happens politicians should have to either themselves agree to go to the front lines or one of their children or grandchildren.
If you did that, we'd be a much more peaceful world.
tim scott
world.
As you understand, Article 5 would require to support and to defend NATO, our troops on the ground.
The fastest way for us to eliminate that possibility is for us to destroy, to the extent possible, the Russian military.
By doing so, we actually achieve the objective of keeping our military home.
And that's good news.
kristen welker
Thank you, Senator Scott.
Mr. Ramaswamy, are you persuaded by President Zelensky's urgent new plea?
Where do you stand on more funding?
vivek ramaswamy
I'm absolutely unpersuaded.
I'm actually enjoying watching the Ukraine hawks quietly, delicately tiptoe back from their position as this thing has unwound into a disaster.
The first half of this race, I was the only person standing for it.
Now they're actually quietly coming around to being more cautious as they should.
Level with the American people here.
Ukraine is not a paragon of democracy.
This is a country that has banned 11 opposition parties.
It has consolidated all media into one state TV media arm.
That's not democratic.
It has threatened not to hold elections this year unless the U.S.
forks over more money.
That is not democratic.
It has celebrated a Nazi in its ranks, the comedian in cargo pants, the man called Zelensky, doing it in their own ranks.
That is not democratic.
More facts for you that you won't hear from the mainstream in either party or the mainstream media.
the regions of Ukraine that are occupied by Russia right now, in the Donbas, Luhansk,
Donetsk, these are Russian-speaking regions that have not even been part of Ukraine since 2014,
that other people probably couldn't name those provinces for you.
robby starbuck
The majority do want to be Russian in those regions.
vivek ramaswamy
Those are the hard facts. And sort of frame this as some kind of battle between good versus evil.
Don't buy it.
And I'd like the likes of the sharpest of the war hawks on Ukraine, Nikki Haley, to have some accountability and answer.
Do you want to use U.S.
taxpayer money to fund the banning of Christians?
That is actually what's happening.
They're using the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
They have banned them.
The Ukrainian parliament just did this last week.
Supported by our dollars.
And I think you owe it to the American people, Nikki, to at least this one time.
unidentified
Mr. Ramaswamy.
He is taking her out.
Mr. Ramaswamy.
vivek ramaswamy
Mr. Ramaswamy, thank you.
kristen welker
Mr. Ramaswamy, thank you.
We asked the questions.
unidentified
Ambassador Haley, she deserves your take on more funding for Ukraine.
kristen welker
Let's hear the response.
robby starbuck
Let's see.
phil labonte
We asked the questions.
nikki haley
I am telling you, Putin and President Xi are salivating at the thought that someone like that could become president.
They would love to see it.
unidentified
So this is what I will tell you.
robby starbuck
First of all, it's not the 90s anymore.
kristen welker
You've had your time to talk.
The ambassador has the floor.
nikki haley
The first thing I'll tell you is we all remember what that thug did when he invaded Ukraine.
We all know that half a million people have died because of Putin.
And here is a freedom-loving, pro-American country that is fighting for its survival and its democracy.
No, I don't think we should give them cash.
I think we should give them the equipment, the ammunition to win.
And I'll tell you, if Biden had done it when they first asked for it, this war would be over.
phil labonte
But let's also remember this.
nikki haley
When you left Afghanistan in shambles and left them with a ton of weapons and money, it's not that we left, it's how we left.
When you look at Ukraine, don't think for a second, now everybody wants to move away from Ukraine.
They'll want to move away from Israel a year from now.
robby starbuck
No, we wanted to move away from Ukraine right away, immediately.
We wanted to not ever move in.
nikki haley
Now is the time to get partnership.
tim pool
I'm okay with cutting funding to other countries.
nikki haley
This unholy alliance between Russia, Ukraine, and China is real.
There is a reason the Taiwanese want us to support the Ukrainians.
It's because they know that China's coming after them next.
There is a reason Ukrainians want us to support Israelis.
Because they know that if Iran wins, Russia wins.
We have to see the combination of the three.
unidentified
We can't keep funding wars all over the world.
robby starbuck
That's her argument.
Hey, this other country is going to want our money, and this other one, and if we don't give our money to this one, then the next one's going to be worried they won't get our money.
It's like none of them should be getting our money.
phil labonte
It's boilerplate neocon.
unidentified
Oh, 100%.
ian crossland
And she was like, I don't want to give them money.
I want to give them arms and equipment.
How are you going to pay for that stuff?
Our money.
chris christie
This is the price we pay for being the leaders of free will.
ian crossland
He uses Lester's name over and over again.
tim pool
He did the Donald Duck, and that flopped.
So now he's trying to do the, I must be serious.
chris christie
And they are all working to support Russia right now.
And the reason they're doing it is because dictators work together.
People who believe in democracy work together.
We stand with all those that are standing up for democracy and freedom in this world.
And by the way, let's get rid of this.
In 1992, this country made a promise to Ukraine.
We said if you return nuclear missiles that were part of the old Soviet Union to Russia, and they invade you, we will protect you.
tim pool
He is correct.
chris christie
And it's not 1992 anymore.
robby starbuck
That's correct.
chris christie
one years old is no different than the American promise that's made tonight on this stage.
We need to stand by it.
And those of us who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
robby starbuck
That's right.
I'm trying to remember the history of Iraq and Afghanistan.
chris christie
The absolute giving in to dictators, which is being suggested on this stage, just shows the immaturity of the approach.
tim pool
Peace is not giving in to dictators.
unidentified
I love how they think peace and wanting peace is immature.
robby starbuck
And they're like, why don't you want to bomb more people and kill more 18 year olds?
That's mature.
ron desantis
Suggestion by Zelensky or anyone else that we should eventually have US troops there.
I can tell the American people when I'm president that will not happen.
There are not going to send your sons and daughters to Ukraine.
I am going to send troops to our southern border.
If you look at the threats that we face, terrorists have come in through our southern border.
I'm going to shut it down.
I'm going to have the military and I'm going to deport the people who've come, particularly under Biden, who've come from the Middle East, come from all these places.
Now Biden wants $105 billion.
uh... sixty most of that ukraine including some of it going to pay
pensions for bureaucrats and salaries that is a totally ridiculous use of
american tax dollars he says he has money for border to try to do in the
media repeat that when you look at it what most of the money is is money to
process more illegal alien into this country how is that solving the problem
that's making the problem worse and what does he do for the indo-pacific
a patents that is the top threat that we face we need to bring this war to an end
we need the europeans to step up and do their fair share and we need to get
serious about the top threat that this country faces which is the chinese
unidentified
communist party so if i may respond to the ukraine question
in fact we are going to go from the hot wars in ukraine to gaza
tim pool
war skeptic I don't know how many people are calling.
robby starbuck
Apparently.
Yeah, I mean, Ron is doing a dance, you know, he's dancing between, and I just, I hate that more than anything.
unidentified
Many Republicans believe that the Chinese are the pick a side.
General Secretary Xi is an existential threat to the United States.
The flashpoint is Taiwan.
For decades and decades, the American military, but primarily the United States Navy, has
deterred an attack from China to the island state of Taiwan.
But Ronald Reagan's Navy of 600 ships is gone.
Now, the question to you is, and I'll start with you, Ambassador Haley, because you were in President Trump's cabinet, his goal was a 355-ship Navy.
That's what he pushed for.
It got to 300.
It's now at 291.
Wow.
Is that big enough to deter and, if necessary, defeat an invasion of Taiwan?
nikki haley
China has the largest naval fleet in the world.
They have 350 ships.
They'll have 400 ships in two years.
We won't even have 350 ships in two decades.
China has built up their military.
It's not just land, air, and sea.
They're doing cyber, they're doing artificial intelligence, they're doing space.
unidentified
Right.
nikki haley
America needs to modernize our military.
We need to do everything we can.
The first thing is you go and you make sure you have the backs of Ukraine.
That's why the Taiwanese want us to support Ukraine, because they know that sends the
biggest message to China.
The second thing is we go to China and we start being tough on them.
No more sales of our American soil to China.
And let's take back what they've already stolen.
Then you go to the universities.
No more having millions of dollars go to our universities.
Then we will go and end all formal trade relations with China until they stop murdering Americans from fentanyl, something Ron is yet to say that he's going to do.
And then we modernize our military.
When we strengthen our military, when we modernize it with the focus of cyber, artificial intelligence in space, when we make sure that we have the backs of our friends, whether it's in Israel, whether it's in Ukraine, and we should be arming Taiwan.
Make sure they have the equipment they need.
Make sure they have the training they need.
Now, there's nothing China fears more than knowing that America will have Taiwan's back.
Let's make sure that we show it by making sure they have the equipment they need.
unidentified
I would say ships are much more vulnerable now than they ever have been.
And I'm much more concerned with us advancing in space.
robby starbuck
Like let's dominate space.
Space ships.
Ships are really going to be more and more vulnerable over time with drones and everything else.
ron desantis
President Xi's ambitions.
And if China's able to be the world's leading superpower, that will affect you and your family
in ways that are gonna be very bad.
They will export authoritarianism all around the world as the cost of doing business.
They will impose things like social credit scores and internet monitoring.
So this is, to this generation, what the Soviet Union was to the post-World War II
generation.
tim pool
We got the EIP thing.
ron desantis
We're going to get to 355 ships at the end of the first term, 385 ships at the end of the second term, but we're going to have a path to 600 ships over the next 20 years.
I think the future of freedom is going to be determined in the Indo-Pacific.
We have a strategy, not just military, but decoupling from the economy and fighting them here at home with their cultural.
Ambassador Haley said somehow I wasn't doing.
She welcomed them into South Carolina, gave them land near a military base, wrote the Chinese ambassador.
He did do a great job on Florida.
letters saying what a great friend they were. That was like their number one way to do economic
development. In Florida, I banned China from buying land in the state. We kicked out on
our universities and we kicked the Confucius Institutes out of our universities. We've
recognized the threat and we've acted swiftly and decisively.
robby starbuck
That's the biggest problem.
He was a fantastic, has been a fantastic governor.
His campaign has been just a disaster.
Had he done what Vivek has done, which is don't offend Trump voters, don't offend Trump supporters, embrace them.
tim pool
And attack the corruption.
ron desantis
And attack the corruption.
robby starbuck
He would be in such a different place right now.
tim pool
If they put Will Chamberlain in charge of his PR and got rid of the existing ones, Will would have killed it.
robby starbuck
I mean, he'd be doing such a great job running that campaign.
tim scott
In the midst of trying to back our strongest ally.
In Eastern Europe, we've seen our resources and our weaponry help degrade the Russian military.
The Indo-Pacific, we have real challenges.
The long-term threat A long-term threat is China.
Immediate threat is our southern border.
In order for us to have the military to fight three different continents at the exact same time, we're going to have to invest heavily in our military, but we're also going to have to invest Heavily in an industrial base so that we can hit our objectives from a military perspective, not only with our ships, but also with our planes.
We are so old as a military that in order for us to recalibrate, we're going to have to invest.
One of the things I do in my Made in America strategy is we create more than 4 million new jobs by having high-tech manufacturing come back to America, decoupling from China, So that we focus our attention on creating that industrial revolution that will be necessary.
robby starbuck
Maybe y'all should have not fired unvaccinated soldiers.
tim pool
Tim Scott should not be on stage right now.
robby starbuck
Yeah, no, no.
Keep him as his senator, you know, if they want him there in South Carolina.
Seems like a nice guy, but he's so out of his depth for president.
vivek ramaswamy
First answer is end the toxic divest to invest program.
For people who don't know about that, we're decommissioning ships in the South China Sea.
The foundation of war is economics.
Rebuild our defense industrial base at home.
But here's the dirty little secret.
Our actual defense industrial base depends on China for the supply chain, for the F-35 jets, for the ships that we're building.
Think about this.
Why are we stockpiling that if it isn't to actually be strong against our enemy, China?
We depend on them for that.
Just like we depend on them for pharmaceuticals.
Just like we depend on them for semiconductors.
So here's why we can't get tough with China.
It's because we depend on them for our modern way of life.
And we have to declare economic independence from our enemy.
That's the Declaration of Independence that Thomas Jefferson, at the age of 33, would have signed.
Today, if you were alive, that's the Declaration of Independence that I will sign as the next president.
robby starbuck
He's done a killer job.
vivek ramaswamy
You have to recognize that Ron DeSantis was correct about acknowledging Nikki Haley's tough talk when she was ambassador to the UN, calling China our great friend.
Bringing the CCP to South Carolina.
What he left out though, Ron, and be honest about it, there was a lobbying-based exemption in that bill that allowed Chinese nationals to buy land within a 20-mile radius of a military base lobbied for by one of your donors.
So I think we have to call a spade a spade.
We need politicians who are independent of the forces that increase our dependence on China.
My message to Xi Jinping is this.
You are done buying land in this country.
You will not donate to universities in this country.
U.S.
businesses won't expand into the Chinese market until you play by the same set of rules.
unidentified
Mr. Ramaswamy, that almost sounds like rules for a few.
vivek ramaswamy
You have to have accountability for the COVID-19 pandemic financially.
You can tell the world we have to hold them accountable.
robby starbuck
That almost sounds like policy for loving your country.
vivek ramaswamy
I think that we need to increase our naval capacity by at least 20% over the course of the next several years.
...be able to meet our AUKUS agreement standards.
Right now we are at risk of not even being able to meet our AUKUS standards with Australia and the UK.
So what we need to do is have a plan that reverses the trajectory of the divest-invest program by 20% over the next three years.
chris christie
You know, my first observation, Hugh, is that nobody answers your...
My second observation is these three in the middle think they're the enemy.
I know China is the enemy.
And that's what we should be focused on.
So let's be really clear.
The nuclear submarines in this United States Navy is the greatest deterrent to Chinese aggression, and that is the first place I would go to increase American naval power.
Our nuclear submarines are able to move stealthily, quietly, and effectively, and if we are going to deter China from invading Taiwan, the only way we're going to do it is to make sure that they don't know.
Whether how many nuclear submarines from the United States of America are in the South China Sea and in that area, and ready to strike on them if they decide to move on Taiwan.
And so we, as our first priority, need to go directly to our nuclear sub-program queue, and we need to increase it drastically.
That would be priority number one.
Ships would come next, but to me, the ships are secondary choice here.
The submarines are the single most important thing that we could be deterring, that we could be using to deter China.
But the other thing we can do to deter China is to let them know that the blood money they're spending for Russia in Ukraine right now will not be effective.
That we send Putin home with his tail between his legs and make them understand that the same fate waits for them if they decide to move towards Taiwan with a more aggressive nuclear sub-program we'll be able to make that threat real.
phil labonte
real.
We already have subs.
I don't think that it's a terrible idea to have more nuclear subs.
tim pool
Trump probably just won't play.
ian crossland
And keep in mind the Chinese have nuclear subs on our west coast.
phil labonte
I don't think, I don't know if that's actually true.
ian crossland
I would be shocked if they didn't.
robby starbuck
Are there more people watching the Trump rally?
tim pool
No, no.
unidentified
7,700.
tim pool
And the GOP debate's about 70k.
But I can't, it's probably because it won't play.
robby starbuck
The stream won't play.
ian crossland
That's so wild.
tim pool
Yeah, that is what it is.
ian crossland
We can start recycling 95% of our spent nuclear fuel through closed system recycling systems and just...
Have so much more.
I mean, nuclear powered submarines is definitely the way with nuclear warheads.
robby starbuck
Nuclear power in general is such a massive opportunity for America.
ian crossland
They haven't talked about graphene, which we're going to start.
If we're going to reindustrialize our Navy, it's going to be with lightweight graphene materials and hydrogen fuel and nuclear power.
These are the things that none of them got specific.
I know they're limited with time, and that's why the president usually has science advisors to advise them on those things.
robby starbuck
Are you gunning for that job, Ian?
Yeah.
ian crossland
Gunning.
I like that metaphor.
I'm going to help the U.S.
Navy become the greatest on Earth.
I want ships that can go from underwater into outer space and back again.
robby starbuck
Oh, I'm with you on that.
See, I told you, my concern is space.
As long as we're able to get up there, I'm happy.
ian crossland
Man, super lightweight submarines that can go up into orbit.
tim pool
Energy tech.
We need better propulsion technology, better energy conversion technology, things like that.
ian crossland
Yes.
Yeah, like what, plutonium?
tim pool
No, I don't know about that.
ian crossland
I defer to the nuclear science.
tim pool
That stuff's very heavy.
phil labonte
Remember, nuclear subs are just, you know, it's just used to heat water.
You know, it's just a steam engine.
So the tech for nuclear sub to make the rotor spin is going to be significantly different to what would be necessary to actually have propulsion that can defeat... It's easy because they're floating.
ian crossland
Like piezoelectric power where you actually can vibrate substrates to create electrical current.
That's so you don't actually need steam.
Like that's the next step of energy production.
phil labonte
I don't, okay, I don't know how that would transfer into getting out to space.
ian crossland
It would be lighter weight than having fuel on board or something, or like hydrogen fuel.
robby starbuck
Well, somebody already knows how to do it.
Have you guys seen these videos from, you know, the UFO files the government's been like slowly putting out that some of these have gone into the ocean?
They visually confirmed, like the pilots have seen them go into the ocean and come out.
I mean, somebody's figured it out.
tim pool
I don't know who it is.
It's not hard to make an air and sea vehicle.
So we already have planes that can land on water.
You could probably, I don't think it's a great feat of engineering to figure out how to make something that's Yeah.
robby starbuck
to submerge it and then come back out.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
robby starbuck
I think the speeds they're doing it and everything is really what they've been impressed by.
phil labonte
That's the biggest problem is if you're talking about getting into space, breaking Earth's
gravity is really, really, really hard.
It's 20,000 miles an hour is the speed you need to be to get out of Earth's gravity.
ian crossland
They've got those spin launch systems.
Have you seen those where they'll get it spinning really fast and you can get materials up really easy?
tim pool
Yeah.
Slingshot, basically.
Spins around and then boom!
Straight up in the air.
That's cool.
robby starbuck
Looks so cool.
tim pool
And then another thing they do is they'll bring a plane as high up as possible and launch from the plane so that it cuts down on a lot of the energy usage.
But ultimately the plan is get everything on the moon.
You build a moon base.
This is the Artemis project, right?
robby starbuck
Yeah.
tim pool
You build a moon base so that you slowly transport energy and materials up there, and then you can launch for further missions.
ian crossland
Yeah, they're working on the space elevator on the moon.
Liftport is the company with Michael Lane.
He used to work at NASA, and they're aiming at doing it on the moon first because of the low gravity.
It's easier to get the elevator up and running.
And I think graphene is going to be the material for the tether, or at least it's going to be some sort of graphene alloy or something.
tim pool
They're coming back to the debate.
Here we go.
robby starbuck
Who's the biggest loser so far?
ian crossland
Tim Scott.
tim pool
Scott.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then Christy.
ian crossland
And welcome back to tonight's... Well, Christy's the biggest loser.
unidentified
With this eventual debate, once again, here's Hugh Hewitt.
Thank you, Lester.
We're going to stay on China and we're going to talk specifically about TikTok.
Last week, Congressman Mike Gallagher, who is chairman of the House Bipartisan Select Committee, Maybe on the Chinese Communist Party published a long essay on TikTok following the flooding of pro-Hamas propaganda onto TikTok accounts across the United States.
Chairman Gallagher called it shocking.
He called the app predatory, controlled by America's preeminent adversary, one used to push propaganda and divide America.
It's spyware, he said, a means of surveillance.
Governor Christie, do you agree with Chairman Gallagher?
And if so, would you ban or force the sale of TikTok?
chris christie
I agree 100% with Chairman Gallagher and let me say this.
TikTok is not only spyware.
It is polluting the minds of American young people all throughout this country, and they're doing it intentionally.
And when you saw what happened in the last few weeks, with all of this anti-Semitic, horrible stuff that their algorithms were pushing out at a gargantuan rate, this is China trying to further divide So there was data showing that despite there being more pro-Palestine posts, they weren't getting very many views.
tim pool
And then a week later, like on the dot, 10x the views, 100x the views, which is more indicative of an algorithmic boost to those posts.
unidentified
100%.
chris christie
And now since then, we've had an additional nearly six years of this type of poison be put out throughout the United
States, even putting aside the spying, which we know is going on in the theft of American personal
data and information.
So in my first week as president, we would ban TikTok.
They want to go ahead and sell it?
Let them go ahead and sell it.
But I'll tell you another reason we would do it.
phil labonte
What mechanism does the president have to ban a social media site?
chris christie
Facebook's not in China.
X is not in China.
robby starbuck
Well, I think it's because of TikTok's ownership structure.
chris christie
They're not permitting a free flow of information to the Chinese people from our social media companies.
tim pool
Or put restrictions on it in a certain way.
ian crossland
Yeah, make them free their software code to operate in the U.S.
tim pool
Well, they can't do that.
Actually, they might be able to.
chris christie
It's a foreign company.
Poisoning American minds and I would do it week one.
unidentified
Thank you governor.
I want to go to governor Would you ban or force the sale of tik-tok regardless of whether or not China allowed American apps to operate in China?
ron desantis
Yes, I think that China is the top threat we face.
They've been very effective at infiltrating different parts of our society.
So my policy on China and the Chinese Communist Party is very simple.
We win, they lose.
And in order to do that, it's not just military, it's economic, and it's cultural.
And as the dad of a 6'5 and a 3-year-old, I'm concerned about the data that they're getting from our You don't have to be attached to these things.
I'm decoupling.
I have a 14-year-old.
the minds of our young people. These kids get these devices and they have a mind of their own.
And I know a lot of parents are looking, it's hard to even keep it out. China's obviously the most
extreme, but this is happening with other things. So we are going to do that and we're going to make
sure to protect the American people. It's a full spectrum approach to be able to fend China off.
Like yes, military deterrence. Yes, economic decoupling.
robby starbuck
And parents need to parent. I have a 14 year old, she doesn't have TikTok.
ron desantis
If we ignore that, we're not gonna get it.
robby starbuck
And she doesn't want it.
phil labonte
She doesn't want TikTok.
My nephews go to public school.
They're not like, you know, tucked away.
My sister's a normie bank manager.
She's as normie as you get.
nikki haley
to the fact that two people hit me and you didn't let me respond.
So let's first talk about the bridge.
robby starbuck
It's probably because she's a woman, right?
nikki haley
It's from 10 years ago.
Yes, I brought a fiberglass company 10 years ago to South Carolina.
But Ron, you are the chair of your economic development agency
that as of last week said Florida is the ideal place for Chinese businesses.
Not only that, you have a company that is manufacturer of Chinese military planes.
You have it.
They are expanding two training sites at two of your airports now.
One, which is 12 miles away from a naval base.
Then you have another company that's expanding, and they were just invaded by the Department of Homeland Security.
So, mine was ten years ago.
unidentified
You gave them stuff.
Yours was six months ago.
ron desantis
I didn't give them anything.
nikki haley
What's your story?
ron desantis
And I abolished that agency that she's talking about.
Enterprise Florida?
We abolished it, and of course we banned China from buying land.
nikki haley
He scrubbed the website last week.
ron desantis
Not exactly a great recruiting pitch if you're banning them from purchasing land at all.
unidentified
You scrubbed the website last week.
Mr. Ramaswamy, we've talked about this.
You campaign on TikTok.
How do you get TikTok banned if you use it?
vivek ramaswamy
Well, I want to laugh at why Nikki Haley didn't answer your question, which is about looking at families in the eye.
In the last debate, she made fun of me for actually joining TikTok while her own daughter was actually using the app for a long time.
So you might want to take care of your family first.
The next generation of Americans are using it.
Yeah, parent your kid, dude.
ian crossland
That's what I just said, wasn't it?
vivek ramaswamy
You're just scum.
robby starbuck
Oh, you're just scum.
vivek ramaswamy
wasn't it? The easy answer is to say that we're just gonna ban one app. We got to go further.
We have to ban any US company actually transferring US data to the Chinese.
Here's a story most people don't know. Airbnb hands over US user data to the CCP.
Now that's a US-owned company.
owned company.
So this is the problem when you have Republicans that temporarily go the way the winds blow and now it's popular to talk tough on China when she was U.N.
ambassador, called them literally her words, not mine, our great friend.
You can't be fair weather fans of the right policy.
Get to the root cause.
Even U.S.
companies in Silicon Valley are regularly doing it.
Cut the virtue signaling.
The fact of the matter is Democrats are on TikTok today.
The only person, one of the few people, who is putting up content the way the actual algorithms work, speaking for pro-Israel views or others, is me.
More Republicans will join it.
robby starbuck
Yeah, no, it's a good point.
vivek ramaswamy
If it's not banned, we should have our people on TikTok.
nikki haley
Thank you very much.
You know, when he talks about me praising China, he doesn't know the fact that the reason China was praised was because I negotiated with China and Russia the largest set of sanctions against North Korea in a generation.
That is literally the reason North Korea stopped testing ballistic missiles.
So I said China did good on their part.
That was a negotiation.
vivek ramaswamy
You said they were our great friend, is what you said, Nikki.
Those are your words, not mine.
Just own up to it.
You can change your mind.
nikki haley
That's allowed.
That's allowed.
unidentified
North Korea has had no material effect on our lives.
nikki haley
My entire career at the United Nations, every day I fought China and I did it by making sure no one could get any agency heads in UN.
I did it by making sure that we Call them out on human rights.
I did it by making sure that we held them accountable on everything that they did.
That's the reason we got out of the Human Rights Council.
That's the reason we called them out.
And there's not going to stay.
I haven't stopped.
unidentified
It is your turn, Mr. Ramaswamy.
Everybody else is hanging on to the rules here, Mr. Ramaswamy.
Senator Scott.
tim scott
Thank you.
We should.
tim pool
No, no, let's mute it.
ian crossland
I don't think you can ban companies that interact with China.
robby starbuck
I love how you've just gone to muting his answers at this point.
ian crossland
If you're constantly banning companies that interact with China, you're going to be chasing the tail, always be right behind the company that just did it, and the data's going to cause it.
So you need to force them to open up the code ahead of time, so you can see which ones are sending it, and immediately cut it off.
tim scott
I like Tim Scott, but he should not be up there.
unidentified
Yeah, he should stay a senator.
robby starbuck
I think if the people in his state are happy with it, let's stick with that.
tim pool
I just want to say, you guys know the story of the turtle and the rabbit or whatever?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, basically the story goes, and the turtle was really, really slow, and the rabbit was chillin', takin' it easy, and then the turtle tried as hard as it could, but the rabbit just, you know, leisurely scrolled across the finish line, and Tim Scott's a turtle.
tim scott
So, there you go.
tim pool
Pretty sure that's how the story went.
It's the other way around.
ian crossland
The turtle won the race because he never stopped.
tim pool
I know, I'm kidding.
tim scott
...buying our farmlands.
We talked about this several times.
tim pool
He's a tortoise.
unidentified
He's a tortoise, yeah.
tim scott
We have to make sure that we use the tools that are in our toolkit to stop China from buying farmland near our bases.
The third thing we have to do is make sure that they stop stealing our intellectual property.
tim pool
They're literally stealing... I'm sorry.
I gotta say something.
I've had people tell me Because, like, we watch this stuff, we'll read news stories, and I'll, you know, like, I'm muting Tim Scott.
And then people will be like, hey, but, you know, like, what if you want to get him on the show at some point?
I'm like, dude!
I've had people ask me about this with prominent people, like, oh, but if you criticize them, like, what if they don't come on your show?
I'm like, I guess they don't come on my show!
I guess we don't get the biggest show in the world.
I'm not gonna, you know, play this game, and some of the bigger shows are willing to do it.
Less partisan ones.
They'll absolutely be like, I don't want to be too mean to somebody, because they're hoping they can book them later.
ian crossland
I know what you mean, because it could help everybody if we get Tim Scott in the room and we're able to, like, talk some sense into him.
kristen welker
Yeah.
robby starbuck
I mean the problem is though, you're just gonna get very boilerplate political answers.
tim pool
Exactly.
robby starbuck
They're never willing to go past, and I think that's really, that is the future of America.
If we're gonna save this country, it's gonna be that we have a whole lot more truth-tellers who are willing to have hard conversations, who are willing to act like normal people and not go act like robots.
Who finds this attractive in our generation?
ron desantis
Nobody.
robby starbuck
These people are living off the politics of the 90s and how our generation operates.
tim pool
They're thinking about the future.
That's why he's doing this.
ron desantis
We're going to lower energy costs, but we're also going to be more energy independent and secure.
We'll choose Midland over Moscow, we'll choose the Marcellus over the Mulas, and we'll choose Bakken over Beijing.
That is good for America's national security.
Biden's Green New Deal?
That's good for Venezuela, it's good for Russia, it's good for Iran, and it's good for China.
So I would turn the screws on the Venezuelan regime.
I think it's a corrupt dictatorial regime, and we should never go hat in hand begging for oil from them.
kristen welker
Just to be clear, would you reimpose the sanctions?
ron desantis
Yes, absolutely.
kristen welker
Ambassador Haley, what would your approach be?
nikki haley
You know, I stood on the Salmon Boulevard Bridge and watched thousands of Venezuelans cross for hours in the hot sun holding their babies to get the one meal they might get that day going from Venezuela to Colombia.
They were fleeing socialism and begging for freedom.
We need to make sure that we do everything we can to sanction Maduro.
We shouldn't be getting dirty oil.
And Biden just gave 500,000 Venezuelans temporary priority status, which is just going to have more of them come.
But on the energy side, it cracks me up that Ron continues to do this.
He has opposed fracking.
He's opposed drilling.
Last time he said it wasn't true.
And everybody found out that it was true.
He opposed it before Florida voters even voted on it.
He was praised by the Sierra Club, and you're trying to make up for it and act like you weren't a liberal when it comes to the environment.
You were.
You always have been.
Just own it, if that's the case.
But don't keep saying you're something that you're not.
ron desantis
Let me respond to that.
So, our whole energy plan, you can't get the shale without fracking.
We are absolutely going to frack, but I disagree with Nikki Haley.
I don't think it's a good idea to drill in the Florida Everglades, and I know most Floridians agree with me.
nikki haley
You ban fracking.
unidentified
Yeah, she's conflating the nuance of Florida.
robby starbuck
In Florida, it's very clear, nobody wants the Everglades drone.
Yeah, that's been a longtime thing.
unidentified
Both parties, everybody's universally agreed on that.
You've all said the best way to deal with rising prices is to cut government spending.
But that would take time to play out, and Americans are struggling right now.
Senator Scott, I'll start with you.
tim pool
What would you do the moment you- There we go.
ian crossland
I'll get a drink.
robby starbuck
It'd be good if any of them knew.
tim scott
My mother was a single mother who raised me and my brother in a very challenging economic situation.
The first thing I can tell you is that when your gas prices are 40% higher right now than they were just a little over two years ago, that's not a problem for my mama.
That was a crisis.
The first thing I would do as president of the United States is I would sign the XL Keystone Pipeline and start seeing resources flow.
Secondly, I would do is make sure that there's certainty and predictability so that those
folks who have the leases in our country would have the certainty and predictability to go
ahead and become energy independent.
We should focus not just on being energy independent.
We should focus on being energy dominant.
America is the home to more energy resources than any other country on the planet.
We can reduce the price of energy, we can reduce the price of food and the price of
electricity if we focus on my build here, don't borrow from China plan.
That is embedded in the made in America strategy.
robby starbuck
Build here, don't borrow from China.
tim scott
That is 10 million new jobs in three different areas.
One is innovation.
Second is the high-tech manufacturing.
And the third is the energy economy.
We have an opportunity as Americans to actually export the surplus energy that we create.
tim pool
New rule.
Any debate requires a random tradesman from a random part of the country who's gotta be between the ages of like 30 and 50 to be on that stage at the same time as all the politicians who's not running.
robby starbuck
Yeah, that would be amazing.
ian crossland
I should clarify, the most uranium comes out of Canada, Australia, Kazakhstan.
Russia has the largest enrichment program in the US, gets a lot from them.
tim pool
If we did that, let's just say you got a 40-year-old plumber on that stage, they'd be like, the thing about Vladimir Putin and the Baltic states, he'd be like...
What the f*** you talking about?
I'm trying to get gas for my kids to go to school.
What is this?
robby starbuck
Yeah.
Yep.
unidentified
100%.
tim scott
When you allow for those who have leases to actually start drilling, to start using those leases for more energy excavation, you put our economy in the strongest position, and as a result of that...
Prices are going down.
That is the kind of economy that, as President of the United States, I would lead this nation to making sure that we first use the resources in our own country and not going outside of our country in order to exceed our objective.
robby starbuck
This is all no-brainer stuff.
I don't understand, like, who's innovating something?
Who's gonna do something really impressive?
ian crossland
Yeah, Rice University.
tim pool
I gotta say, when I tweeted... James Tour.
I tweeted, holy F, Dick Cheney and Three Inch Hills, Vivek Rost, Nikki Haley.
Everyone's like, he was talking about Ron.
Luke tweeted, you sure that wasn't about Ron?
Everyone's saying the same thing.
unidentified
Let me ask the same question to Governor DeSantis.
You ticked off a number of things a moment ago, but some specific examples of ways that would put people on a better economic footing right away.
ron desantis
So I started off working minimum wage jobs.
I did $6 an hour as an electrician's assistant.
I worked all kinds of things to be able to get through school.
And I did that because I believed in America, if you work hard and get the most out of your God-given ability, you can get ahead.
And what's happening now, many of you are working hard and you're falling further and further behind.
I've met people in Iowa, New Hampshire, and all across the country who've talked about all the burdens that they're facing with the rising prices.
And I've heard from multiple people the same story.
When they go grocery shopping, what they now do is they figure out what they have to take out of the cart once it's ringing up, because it rings up so much faster and so much higher at the cash register that they can't afford the full cart of groceries anymore.
We have to restore the American dream in this country.
What can you do on day one?
Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to take all the executive orders, the regulations, everything involving Bidenomics.
I'm going to rip it up.
I'm going to throw it in the trash can on day one where it belongs.
That is going to give the economy breathing room.
And I'm also going to rein in the Federal Reserve.
They have helped create, with their reckless monetary policy, what we have faced since the COVID-19 pandemic.
They botched it.
Congress botched it.
Both parties are to blame.
The Fed should focus on stable prices.
They are not an economic central planner for the American people.
unidentified
Governor, thank you.
Mr. Ramaswamy, weigh in on this.
Ways that you can improve people's financial conditions in the short term.
vivek ramaswamy
As a CEO, the economic question is core to my vision and policy prescription for this country.
Increase the supply of everything.
It's the law of supplies and demand.
Increase the supply of energy.
That brings down the cost of energy, grows the economy.
Drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear.
Increase the supply of labor in this country.
Stop using our taxpayer money to pay people more to stay at home instead of to go to work.
Increase the supply of housing.
People don't talk about this one in the Republican Party.
The land use restrictions are constricting the supply of housing.
That's making housing more expensive for ordinary Americans across the area.
ron desantis
Young people can't afford them.
vivek ramaswamy
So that's the true answer.
And I think it takes a CEO in the White House who actually understands this to get this done.
Because Americans at home, they know that Bidenomics is a lie.
Prices are going up.
Interest rates and mortgages to buy your home are going up.
But wages have remained flat.
That's the hard diagnosis for our economy.
And this is about more than just our economy.
I say this as a member of my generation.
I'm 38 years old.
I'm the youngest person ever to run for U.S.
President as a Republican.
The reason my generation has lost our sense of national pride in part is because people in my generation feel like the American Dream isn't available to them.
And part of the reason why is we've burdened them with four-year college degrees that did not serve their head start on the American Dream.
People will be more proud of a country if we're all making more money in that country.
This is how we revive national pride in our identity, and it will take a CEO in the White House with zero-based budgeting, by the way, to take on the federal debt to get this job done.
unidentified
Let me turn to Governor Christie on that.
tim pool
I tweeted at Luke, Hey Luke, can you see Ron's shoes?
He said, not yet, but we'll send a picture soon.
ian crossland
I was going to ask him to scream out graphene.
chris christie
Energy is the key to this because it drives every one of those other prices.
You know how food gets to your grocery store?
It gets trucked.
And those truckers have to pay for fuel for the higher fuel prices.
And when you go ahead and you tell people we are going to unleash every bit of American energy, every bit of its potential, What happens in the futures markets?
The prices go down.
Because those people who are believing that the Biden program will continue are the ones who are bidding this up.
And let me take the other place that's bidding it up.
In the Middle East.
And so if you don't believe that making sure that Israel and that Israel situation that's going on right now isn't resolved and resolved quickly as President of the
United States and brings stability back that will also not permit countries like Saudi Arabia
and others to be able to jack their prices as well.
You know what they see as a response to a crisis when it's really what it's in response
to is putting more money in their pockets.
When they have an American president who knows that Israel must be defended not with humanitarian
pauses and not with suggestions for ceasefire but with letting them know we will supply
them with everything they need that will also bring stability to the market.
Energy is the key to bringing this down.
It's what every American family needs when they turn on their lights, fill up their car
and go to the grocery store and we need to do that first and foremost.
unidentified
That's the short term answer.
ian crossland
I did a killer video with Yehezkel Moskowitz yesterday.
unidentified
He wants to reuse spent fuel and thorium salt on my YouTube channel for an hour.
robby starbuck
I like what Chris Christie was saying about grocery stores because I appreciate when a man talks about what they're really an expert in.
He is an expert at grocery bills.
nikki haley
Well, I'm a product of rural America.
I grew up in rural South Carolina.
And I can tell you what we're seeing now in America is the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
We have to go and start beefing up the middle class.
And the first thing I would do is I will eliminate the federal gas and diesel tax.
robby starbuck
I thought she was going to say Iran.
nikki haley
class, but we have a spending binge that's happening by Republicans and Democrats in
Congress. I will make sure one we claw back the 500 billion dollars of unspent COVID dollars
that are out there instead of 87,000 IRS agents going after middle America will go after the
hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud that exists. One out of that will invade around.
We'll stop the spending. We'll stop the borrowing. We'll eliminate the earmarks.
And I'll veto any spending bill that doesn't go back to pre COVID levels.
That will cut trillions and allow us to be safe.
We also need to be not energy-independent, energy-dominant.
We are blessed with resources, let's do it.
But the reason no one should give you a number, Hugh, on the amount of ships in the Navy is because in a few years, our interest expense is going to be more than our defense budget.
So no one can give you that number realistically without first tackling what's happening with the financial situation.
It would be a false number to give you that.
We have got to understand, this is a crisis.
It is a national security concern.
If we don't deal with what's going to happen with that interest expense in a few years, we're going to look like Japan.
And we can't let that happen.
The strong dollar matters.
unidentified
Ambassador, thank you very much.
kristen welker
Americans could see their Social Security benefits drastically cut in the next decade because the program is running out of money.
Former President Trump has said, quote, under no circumstances should Republicans cut entitlements.
Governor Christie, first to you, you have proposed raising the retirement age for younger Americans.
What would that age be specifically and would you consider making any other reforms to Social Security?
chris christie
Sure, and we have to deal with this problem.
Now look, if we raise the retirement age a few years for folks that are in their 30s and 40s, I have a son who's in the audience tonight that's 30 years old.
If he can't adjust to a few year increase in social security retirement age over the next 40 years, I got bigger problems with him than his social security payments.
tim pool
Are there any millennials that have a retirement plan?
robby starbuck
Almost none.
And the fact that these people can sit up there on stage and say, we need to spend our money in Ukraine to kill young Ukrainian men and women at the same time as they tell us we need to wait longer to retire than they did or their parents did.
No, I'm good.
I'm finished with these people's foreign policy.
It's what got us here.
Their policies got us here.
chris christie
Shame on you.
You shouldn't be taking the money.
There are a lot of programs in this country that we all pay for.
That we don't get a direct benefit from.
Food stamps is one of them.
I've never, fortunately in my life, ever had me or my family on food stamps.
unidentified
I've gotten EBT.
chris christie
But I'm glad it's there.
tim pool
In two different states.
chris christie
So that no one in this country goes to bed hungry at night if they have availability to that program.
But I don't get a direct benefit.
The fact is on Social Security, remember why it was established.
It was established as a safety net program to make sure that no one would grow old in this country in poverty.
That's what we've got to get back to.
Rich people should not be collecting Social Security.
kristen welker
Governor, can you give me a specific age?
What would the age be?
chris christie
Look, that's going to be a power of negotiation with Congress, Kirsten.
unidentified
204!
chris christie
I'm not going to start negotiating until I get there.
kristen welker
All right, Ambassador Haley, let me have you weigh in on this because you said in June that you would be open to raising the retirement age.
Have you determined what that age would be specifically?
Lower the age.
unidentified
30.
kristen welker
And what other reforms are you looking at?
nikki haley
So first of all, any candidate that tells you that they're not going to take on entitlements is not being serious.
Social Security will go bankrupt in 10 years.
Medicare will go bankrupt in 8.
robby starbuck
Maybe because you keep spending our money in Ukraine.
nikki haley
Right now you have Ron and Trump.
How were we not promised this?
saying they're not going to change or do any sort of entitlement reform.
What we need to do is keep our promises.
Those that have been promised should keep it.
But for like my kids in their 20s, you go and you say we're going to change the rules.
You change the retirement age for them.
robby starbuck
How are we not promised this?
We all promised this too?
nikki haley
We should go to increases based on inflation.
We should limit benefits on the wealthy.
Bernie Marcus can tell you he hates getting that check.
Limit the benefits on the wealthy, and then expand Medicare Advantage plans.
Seniors love that, and let's make sure we do that so that they can have more competition.
That's how we'll deal with entitlement reform, and that's how we'll start to pay down this debt.
kristen welker
And can you give me a specific age?
Have you determined the age?
nikki haley
Again, you have to work with... Chris, what I can tell you is it's going to be those in their 20s just coming into the system, and it should reflect more of life expectancy.
It doesn't do that now.
kristen welker
Alright, Mr. Ramaswamy, have you determined if you would touch entitlements and Social Security?
What, if any, reforms are you looking at?
vivek ramaswamy
So this is really important right now.
We're working within the last window, I believe, we will have to actually fix this problem while still leaving Social Security and Medicare benefits for current seniors intact.
I'll tell you how.
The other candidates assume, like Nikki, that it can't be done.
And on her math, she's right about it.
But her math assumes $7 trillion of our $33 trillion national debt going to fight wars like in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.
Minus that, our national debt would be $26 trillion right now.
Then you go to zero-based budgeting, which I've proposed as a CEO.
It's how I've run businesses.
It's how many CEOs run businesses.
Don't use last year's budget as the baseline.
Start with zero as the baseline, and then ask what's actually necessary.
75% headcount reduction.
Yes, that is severe in the number of federal employees in Washington, D.C.
robby starbuck
Yes, what do these people do?
vivek ramaswamy
They do nothing.
That should not exist.
Deliver economic growth as a positive tailwind.
I think we can get to three, four, maybe even five percent GDP growth if we really take the regulatory shackles off of our economy.
And against that backdrop, I believe this is our last best window to be able to take care of our national debt problem through those severe measures, including sacrificing the foreign wars that many bloodthirsty members of both parties have a hunger for.
That's the one sale for how we're going to be able to do this requires discipline.
So we can't have the first conversation we were having sending foreign aid willy-nilly to countries whose national debt per capita is less than ours.
But if we do this correctly, I think this is our last window and it'll take a CEO from the next generation to do it.
kristen welker
He's correct.
He's correct.
robby starbuck
You can fix this problem for young people, but you have to be innovative.
tim scott
The bottom line is a simple one.
We have to grow our economy.
robby starbuck
We're not doing that.
ian crossland
Yeah, cheap energy.
Cheap fuel.
I actually was pulling this up.
We can use our Navy to recover the plastic in the Pacific Gyre.
You guys remember the Pacific Garbage Patch?
This thing the size of Texas.
All this floating crap.
tim pool
But it's not dense.
ian crossland
Yeah, Boyan Slat has something called the Ocean Cleanup Project, where they take boats out with large tethers and they let the ocean filter itself into it, then they recollect it that way.
tim pool
It's not coming from the U.S.
either.
ian crossland
Yeah, and so we can actually steal it.
I mean, you can maybe consider stealing it with our Navy, but we go recover it first, then we flash-jewel it, turn it into graphene and hydrogen fuel, and then we can retrofit our economy, our energy system.
tim pool
So, an interesting thing that's happened, actually, is that a bacteria has emerged that eats plastic.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Nature finds a way.
ian crossland
There's a fungus called Pestiolopsis microspora that breaks it down into sugar and there is also bacteria that breaks it down.
robby starbuck
You know, I think we have a problem in our country that we have all these very smart people, very innovative, amazing people, and we use absolutely none of them to do incredible, amazing things.
It's all in private business.
Our government does nothing.
So, like, don't hope for them to go do this and steal this with the Navy and turn it into energy because they're not interested in being innovative in any way.
tim pool
It's crazy to me how correct Vivek is, yet we have these four other people who are just like, well, how about we go blow people up?
And it's just like, Vivek's like, we got the zero budgeting from zero.
Basic business principle.
robby starbuck
Very basic.
tim pool
Laying people off.
I'm sorry.
Sacrificing our former... I love that line.
No, we just don't do them.
You got all these people who are like, why do I have to retire later?
Oh, because we sent billions of dollars to Ukraine.
Have a nice day.
robby starbuck
Exactly.
And Afghanistan.
And Iraq.
unidentified
Right.
robby starbuck
And all these other places.
By the way, there's all these other places that we're involved in spending tons of money in that we don't even talk about.
Like Syria.
We've spent a ton of money in Syria.
We've spent money in Libya.
We spend money in Africa.
All over the place.
That line that... To get no discernible Anything for the American people.
phil labonte
The line that Vivek started with early, the spent trillions, killed millions, and made billions for themselves.
That's a really good line, and it sums it up very nicely in a way that most people can understand.
It's true.
kristen welker
Thank you, Senator.
I appreciate it.
Governor DeSantis, finally to you.
Would you be open to raising the retirement age, and how would you keep Social Security sustainable?
ron desantis
Well look, as governor of Florida, I know a few people on Social Security, and I know it's important.
My grandmother lived till 91, and Social Security was her sole source of income, and that's true for a lot of seniors throughout this country.
So what I'd say to seniors in America, promise made, promise kept.
I understand what you're going through with the rising prices, and you need that social security check.
So we'll make sure to get that done.
What can you do to help shore up social security?
One of the things that's causing problems is the inflation.
We have to reduce inflation.
When you have higher inflation, the seniors get a cost of living adjustment, which means the program's spending more, but it doesn't cover the increase in the actual inflation rate.
We also do need to get to at least 3% growth.
You're never going to be able to have issues, be able to solve the budget without that.
But I would note this.
Congress for decades took money from Social Security.
Social Security would have more tax revenue than it put out.
They would take it, and then they'd write an IOU to Social Security.
Congress has a lot of dirty hands on this.
I'm going to force Congress to stop spending so much money.
And you know, one thing we have to do when we talk about the retirement age is just something that's changed in the last four or five years.
Life expectancy in the United States is declining.
kristen welker
So Governor, yes or no, would you raise it?
ron desantis
Would you raise the retirement age?
When life expectancy is declining, I don't see how you could raise it the other direction.
So it's one thing to peg it on life expectancy, but we have had a significant decline in life expectancy in this country, and that's just a fact.
kristen welker
All right, Governor DeSantis, thank you.
Thank you, candidates, and we will be right back.
robby starbuck
That was a more political answer.
tim pool
Did you hear?
What is this?
Ann Wokeness tweeted, an old man shot two climate activists who are blocking a highway in Panama.
phil labonte
Is that true?
tim pool
I can't find it.
I see the picture, but I don't see any sources.
robby starbuck
I haven't heard of this.
phil labonte
Yeah, he got into a dispute.
He literally walked up to him and he pulled out the gun.
He was like, get out of the road, essentially.
robby starbuck
How good is the Ann Wokeness account?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
They're pretty good.
phil labonte
It's pretty good.
serge du preez
They're really good stuff, yeah.
tim pool
And wokeness.
phil labonte
My friend tweeted about this.
tim pool
But I need a news source on this one.
phil labonte
I don't know.
I've seen it shared by multiple people.
He was arrested.
I've seen... I don't know which website actually, or which Twitter account actually has the video of it.
But I retweeted about it a little bit.
tim pool
The shooting?
There's video of it?
phil labonte
I don't know if there's video of him actually shooting.
There's a photo of him holding a gun.
Holding a gun and confronting them.
There's video of him talking to the people, but I don't know if anyone got the video of the actual shots being fired.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I'm searching for it right now.
phil labonte
I mean, people are really getting fed up with climate activists, especially as more people... Oh yeah, here's the video.
robby starbuck
There's video of it?
tim pool
Not of the shooting.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Oh, man, he- Whoa!
Yeah, this is real.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
He pulls the gun out.
Wow, this is crazy.
phil labonte
He's in custody.
One person died on the scene and one person died later, I believe, at the hospital or on the way to the hospital.
tim pool
Look, man, non-violent civil disobedience is a good way to create pressure, but the cops got to arrest the people who do it.
phil labonte
Yeah, you can't just allow them.
tim pool
Yeah, the video's all cut because they have footage of him doing it.
phil labonte
Yeah, someone tweeted that there is video of him actually doing the shooting out there.
robby starbuck
That's terrible.
tim pool
Nah.
robby starbuck
You know, these people are irritating, but you can't kill them.
I mean, that's crazy.
tim pool
Actually, I respect non-violence of disobedience.
If they want to go sit in front of a road, that's the kind of pressure we should expect.
robby starbuck
Otherwise... I'd rather that than Antifa.
tim pool
Exactly, that's my point.
The police should come and arrest them and remove them and restore the flow of traffic and everything.
But people need an opportunity to put pressure on the system without resorting to violence.
robby starbuck
What about without being in Antifa?
tim pool
No, because that... No, I agree with that too.
I do.
Absolutely.
robby starbuck
But that's just the situation where you're gonna end up with confrontations and violence anyway, so... I would say it should be limited, because there are limited scenarios where I think that could make sense, doing citizen's arrests, where, you know, somebody's like... I'll put it this way, if I had a family member whose life was in danger, and they needed to get to the hospital, and there's climate pro... I'll citizen's arrest them, I'll do whatever's necessary to get my family member to the hospital.
tim pool
Yo, there's straight video of it.
ian crossland
Dude, what, in Panama?
tim pool
It happened in Panama?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And the dude is just standing there.
He's not attacking him or anything.
The guy just shoots him.
robby starbuck
That's terrible.
tim pool
Yeah.
robby starbuck
Yeah, there's no excuse for, like, I do think you're absolutely right, Tim.
This is probably the form of protest we should have to, you know, say, we're okay with this because the alternative is this really crazy stuff.
You've got to have some outlet for this.
tim pool
You get arrested for it.
robby starbuck
Yeah.
tim pool
You see the video of the shoplifter getting tackled?
And then he's like, you can't touch me!
And the guy's like, you're being touched.
robby starbuck
Yeah, what state was that in?
tim pool
I don't know, man.
robby starbuck
If it was California, he's right, you can't touch them.
That was awesome.
tim pool
No, it's not the law that matters.
There's a lot of laws in the books that we don't enforce.
robby starbuck
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, like women can't go skydiving on Sundays in Florida is the gag one.
But if someone's shoplifting like hundreds of dollars of merch and someone who works there stops them and go, you can't touch me.
It's like talk to a judge.
robby starbuck
Yeah.
tim pool
Get it.
Sue me and then see what the judge says.
But it really is.
It's going to be.
I think I don't think it's it's not illegal to stop someone stealing.
It's a civil issue.
robby starbuck
Yeah.
The craziest thing I remember from California is they had that case where the guy shot the robber, came into his house, and they actually ruled in favor of the robber when they sued the homeowner.
unidentified
Oh wow.
robby starbuck
Crazy.
And they made him pay the robber.
Yes.
unidentified
Welcome back to tonight's NBC News Republican Presidential Debate.
Once again, here's Salem Radio's Hugh Hewitt.
Hugh Hewitt.
When NBC News talks to voters, when I talk to voters every day, they all say that the border is a top issue.
It can mean a lot of different things.
It can mean two million people who crossed illegally last year.
It can mean more than 150 arrests of people on the terror watch list.
It can mean the burden on states from having migrants move into their states from the southwestern border.
But I want to talk about opioids specifically and fentanyl.
And I'll start with you, Senator Scott.
Tens of thousands of Americans' families have suffered a death to fentanyl.
Young people sometimes die taking one pill.
What can you do as Commander-in-Chief on the first day to stop fentanyl and the waterfall of it into this country?
tim scott
Number one, we should close our southern border.
For $10 billion, we could close our southern border.
For an additional $5 billion, we could use the currently available military technology to surveil our southern border, to stop fentanyl from crossing our border.
I've already led on legislation that would sanction the Mexican cartels, if you remember the path, The precursors come from China, then they are manufactured in Mexican labs, and then the Mexican cartels bring them across our border.
By sanctioning their accounts and eliminating their cash, we starve them of what they need, number one.
Closing our southern border makes it nearly impossible to get in.
The military-grade technology is a backup, making sure that we not only stop 70,000 deaths in the last 12 months because of fentanyl, I think he forgot how many it was.
robby starbuck
I forgot how many it was.
tim scott
... human trafficking travesty that is entering in our country in the same path.
If we are going to deal effectively with 100,000 overdose deaths in our country...
That's why I'm here.
... and the 70,000 that is directly linked to fentanyl, we have to deal with our ports
of entry and deal with our southern border.
We get it.
If we do that effectively, we have started reducing the challenge from the outside, and
then we have to deal with the challenge on the inside, which seems to be connected to
unidentified
a mental health crisis that is spreading throughout our nation.
If you solve the problem, you'll have to still solve the problem somewhere else.
robby starbuck
Exactly.
tim pool
If you vote for me, I'll solve the problem.
robby starbuck
I mean it gets frustrating being right so far ahead of the government and these people and then they say things like it's like some shocking idea.
We've all been waiting.
The American people have been waiting for a very long time.
Nobody's doing anything about it.
So I don't believe them.
ian crossland
It's to not become sarcastic.
When you're right all the time, don't allow yourself to start to become sarcastic because anything that works against it.
Be humble.
unidentified
When that actually changes, don't try and claim that you were the one.
ian crossland
Customs and Border Patrol agents are overwhelmed.
chris christie
border that would send the National Guard to partner with Customs and Border Patrol
both at ports of entry and at the open ports of our border.
Customs and Border Patrol agents are overwhelmed.
There's 200,000 encounters a month over the last 11 months.
We simply do not have the man and woman power at the border to be able to deal with it.
And so, dealing with both law enforcement, and you're right, we have done this, we can do this, but we've got to give them the tools to do it, and technology is one of the biggest tools that we don't have enough of at the ports of entry.
Now, we also need to lower demand, Hugh, in this country.
And the way to lower demand is to start treating people again.
You know, we started to do this before COVID, and we haven't done enough of it.
And for every family out there tonight who has lost a loved one, Thank you Governor.
or any other type of opioid overdose, what you know is all you want is a chance for them
to win their lives back.
When I'm president of the United States, we're going to call this what it is.
It is a disease, like heart disease, diabetes, or any other disease like cancer, that can
be treated, should be treated.
We not only have to stop supply, but we have to lower demand and save lives.
unidentified
Thank you, Governor.
Governor DeSantis, you have talked about using United States Special Forces to attack the
cartels where they manufacture the chemicals that come from China.
How often?
How many?
What does that look like?
ron desantis
Well, first I was speaking to a dad who lost a son to a fentanyl overdose.
Son wasn't a drug addict.
He had taken some pill that happened to be laced with fentanyl and it was a fatal overdose.
And when he told me, obviously the pain of losing a child is as bad as it gets, but he said what was salt in the wounds Is that these elites in D.C.
don't give a damn about what's going on in this country.
They don't care that we have tens of thousands of opioid deaths that the fentanyl is pouring in.
They are not taking the type of action we need to.
We're declaring it a national emergency on day one.
I'm sending U.S.
military to the border.
I'm going to stop the invasion cold.
I am going to deport people who came illegally.
And I'm even going to build the border wall and have Mexico pay for it like Donald Trump promised.
How you gonna do it?
Yeah, Mexico's not gonna fork over money.
We're gonna impose fees on the remittances that foreign workers send to foreign countries.
We'll raise billions of dollars.
I'll build a wall.
But we are gonna designate the cartels to be foreign terrorist organizations or something similar to that.
And we're gonna authorize the use of deadly force.
We're gonna have maritime operations to interdict precursor chemicals going into Mexico.
But I'll tell you this, if someone in the drug cartels is sneaking fentanyl across the border when I'm president, that's gonna be the last thing they do.
We're gonna shoot them stone-cold dead.
unidentified
I just realized we can build a wall out of graphene.
Ambassador Haley, if the United States uses special forces in Mexico without prior notice to the Mexican allies to our south, what would your colleagues at the United Nations think about that?
nikki haley
I don't care what my colleagues at the United Nations think.
unidentified
What I'll tell you is... The United Nations is useless.
nikki haley
You have to go to the source.
We have lost more Americans than the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq wars combined.
We lost 75,000 Americans last year.
Go to the source.
It is the reason why we'll continue to say we will end all normal trade relations with China until they stop murdering Americans.
You watch how quick that flow stops.
The second thing is we'll send special operations in to take out the cartels.
We need to go to where they're distributing it, where the supply centers are, and take them out.
We'll put 25,000 more Border Patrol and ICE agents on the ground and let them do their job.
unidentified
I don't believe you.
nikki haley
We will defund sanctuary cities.
We will go back to the Remain in Mexico policy so that everybody stays in Mexico and they never get here in the first place.
And instead of catch and deport, we'll go to catch and release.
unidentified
Okay, I'll vote for Trump for all that.
nikki haley
Instead of catch-and-release, we'll go to catch-and-deport.
robby starbuck
Yeah, why would you vote for Haley if you want that?
nikki haley
That is the way we'll deal with the border.
Those are the things that we have to do going forward, but I do agree with Chris.
One of the first things that we have to do is really focus on mental health and addiction centers.
It is something that is needed in our country terribly because we don't deal with mental health, and someone who doesn't get care for mental health falls into addiction, and we owe it to them to treat it like the cancer that it is.
vivek ramaswamy
We're talking about this issue is, you know, like Ron, I've actually met many parents across this country who have lost their kids to laced pharmaceuticals that have fentanyl in them.
The only thing I would ask, Ron, I think you'd be on the same page with me on this.
Let's not even call that an overdose.
That is not an overdose.
That is poisoning.
If you put that fentanyl in a Big Mac, we would not call that an overdose.
You'd call it what it is.
It's closer to bioterrorism.
And I say that because as it uniquely relates to this crisis, that does warrant more aggressive means to deal with it.
So there's a new presidential election in Mexico in 2024.
People may not be aware of that.
It's going to be someone other than Obrador, who has been a disaster in Mexico.
I think he's even mentioned me obliquely in speeches to say that somebody who would do this shouldn't get anywhere near the White House.
Well, AMLO, get out of the way.
There's going to be someone else in charge.
I hope to build a good relationship with that next president of Mexico.
We'll use our own military to seal our own southern border.
What we need to do is stop using our military to protect somebody else's border halfway around the world when we're short right here at home.
Get serious about protecting this border.
And then the other thing that hasn't been discussed is the northern border.
I'm the only Canadian, as far as I'm aware, who has actually visited the northern border.
There was enough fentanyl that was captured just on the northern border last year to kill 3 million Americans.
unidentified
We've got to just skate to where the puck is going, not just where the puck is.
vivek ramaswamy
Don't just build the wall, build both walls.
Can't just complete the wall, use the military to seal the Swiss cheese for the tunnels that they're actually building underneath that wall.
Thank you, Mr. Ramos.
unidentified
We need a wall for the maple curtain up there.
Let's talk now about last night's election results.
kristen welker
Abortion rights supporters saw victories in Ohio and Virginia following earlier reigns in states like Kansas and Kentucky.
Governor DeSantis, first to you, how do you see the path forward for Republicans on this issue?
ron desantis
Well, I stand for a culture of life, and I understand that it's important that everyone gets a shot.
I'm reminded of a story about a young mother who was struggling in Jamaica about 40 years ago, 45 years ago.
She was counseled to not have a baby because she was poor, baby wouldn't have opportunity, and she came close to having an abortion.
But she decided to have the baby, born poor in Jamaica.
And the reason I know that story is because that baby girl ended up emigrating to the state of Florida.
We're better off when everybody counts.
We're better off when we can promote a culture of life.
At the same time, I understand that some of these states are doing it a little bit different.
Texas is not going to do it the same as New Hampshire.
Iowa is not necessarily going to do it the same as Virginia.
So you've got to work from the bottom up.
You gotta do a better job on these referenda.
I think of all the stuff that's happened to the pro-life cause, they have been caught flat-footed on these referenda, and they have been losing the referenda.
A lot of the people who are voting for the referenda are Republicans who would vote for a Republican candidate.
So you gotta understand how to do that.
But let's just be clear.
The Democrats have taken a position they will not identify the point at which there should be any protection all the way up until birth.
That is wrong, and we cannot stand for that.
kristen welker
All right, Governor DeSantis, thank you.
Ambassador Haley, let me have you weigh in.
Former President Trump has consistently blamed the abortion issue and how Republican candidates have talked about it for their electoral losses.
How do you see the path forward?
nikki haley
I've said it before.
I think you have to be honest with the American people.
This is a personal issue for every woman and every man.
I am unapologetically pro-life, not because the Republican Party tells me to be, but because my husband Michael was adopted and I had trouble having both of my children, so I'm surrounded by blessings.
Having said that, when you look post-Roe, a wrong was made right.
They took it out of the hands of unelected justices, and they put it in the hands of the people.
And now we're seeing states vote.
And what I'll tell you is, as much as I'm pro-life, I don't judge anyone for being pro-choice, and I don't want them to judge me for being pro-life.
So when we're looking at this, there are some states that are going more on the pro-life side.
I welcome that.
There are some states that are going more on the pro-choice side.
I wish that wasn't the case, but the people decided.
But when it comes to the federal law, which is what's being debated here, be honest.
It's going to take 60 Senate votes, a majority of the House, and a president to sign it.
So no, we haven't had 60 Senate votes in over 100 years.
We might have 45 pro-life senators.
So no Republican president can ban abortions any more than a Democrat president can ban these state laws.
So let's find consensus.
Let's agree on how we can ban late-term abortions.
Let's make sure we encourage adoptions and good quality adoptions.
Let's make sure we make contraception accessible.
Let's make sure that none of these state laws put a woman in jail or give her the death penalty for getting an abortion.
Let's focus on how to save as many babies as we can and support as many moms as we can and stop the judgment.
We don't need to divide America over this issue anymore.
robby starbuck
There's a lot of weakness there.
There's a lot of weakness in some of the things she said that is just skating out of it.
However, I do think that she is being honest about the fact that federally nothing's going to happen.
You don't have the votes.
No Republican president is going to have the votes to do anything federally.
So it's a moot question.
It belongs in the states.
phil labonte
I disagree.
tim pool
It's a federal question.
robby starbuck
Why do you think it is?
tim pool
Human rights are a federal constitutional question, not a state question.
A state does not have the right to determine that a person, for a certain reason, is not granted human rights.
robby starbuck
I would agree with that.
However, if you can't do anything, and the status quo is what it is, what do you do?
tim pool
Well, that's actually the Roe standard, was that it was a question of the federal government to determine whether or not a baby was alive.
And they came to the determination that, post-viability, there's really no question, but it's much more complicated than I'd be able to answer to right now.
My point is simply, If we allow the federal—if we allow the states to determine who is deserving of human rights, then buckle up, California.
robby starbuck
Oh yeah, no, I know.
I mean, that's sort of the really amazing thing about federalism, is that people will get to see, naturally, what the end result of the Democrats' ideology is in a place like California.
Because if you just say, hey, we're going to take a more federalist approach, we're going to say states' rights is just the end-all be-all, California will turn into hell.
And maybe that's what their voters need to see.
tim pool
Like a video of a nine-month-old baby being aborted.
When you're saying that in California they're allowed to get abortions whenever they want, that's a national pro-choice position in my opinion.
robby starbuck
I don't want them to.
I'm just saying in reality, the federal government's never going to do anything about it.
tim pool
You either say local jurisdictions can decide whether or not they allow abortions or not, or you say abortions are banned.
That's my point. So when a lot of people on the right are like, yes, it's a state question,
it's like, that's kind of pro-choice of you to say, well, if you vote for it, you can do it.
robby starbuck
I think it's just realistic because we know we don't have the votes. We know we don't have 60
phil labonte
senators who are going to get on board. It's not just about the votes. It's the fact that,
honestly, like, it's not the...
The idea of a banning abortion totally is not popular enough, and it's a loser.
And as long as Republicans are out there saying that they want to ban abortion on any level, even for local stuff, that's going to translate not to just the specific areas, but that's what people are going to think broadly about the Republican Party.
If we elect Republicans, there will be abortion bans, and they're going to continue to lose.
tim pool
The answer is for Republicans to say, we think the government should help facilitate abortions for anyone who wants it, and then look dead at the liberals and say, do you need help?
ian crossland
Yeah, we got the president speaking.
vivek ramaswamy
Honest about where he stood, and I think you should be honest, not making a political calculus, but to say, if a bill is served up, would you sign it?
Here's my view on this, speaking as a man, they say men have trouble speaking on this issue, I don't think we need to be that way.
It was my home state of Ohio, I'm upset about this, yesterday.
That passed a constitutional amendment that now effectively codifies a right to abortion all the way up to the time of birth without parental consent.
tim pool
That's so crazy!
vivek ramaswamy
It's insane.
It's insane.
phil labonte
And it's a response though.
vivek ramaswamy
It's totally a response.
I know Ohio.
I was born, raised, and I lived there.
It's representative of the country.
If in the state of Ohio we talked about access to contraception, adoption, and also here's the missing ingredient in this movement.
Sexual responsibility for men.
We live in an era of reliable genetic paternity tests that are 100% reliable.
So we can say men deserve more responsibility.
So we can tell women, we're all in this together.
It's not men's rights versus women's rights.
It's about human rights.
And I've come back to that case that Clarence Thomas spoke of.
A pregnant woman walking down the street.
She's assaulted.
The unborn child dies in that assault.
You find me one person in this country who says that that criminal does not deserve liability for that death, you won't find one.
Yep.
That says we share the same instincts on this issue, but we require, I believe, a different generation of leadership to actually lead us forward and unite the country on this with honesty.
kristen welker
Thank you, Mr. Ramaswamy.
robby starbuck
That was a great answer.
And I would say, you know, in places like Tennessee, you know, as much as I've heard people saying abortion is unpopular in a place like Tennessee, You know, being pro-life is very popular.
It is broadly popular to protect babies' lives, you know, and it should be everywhere.
The problem is the Republican Party is not taking a real stance.
It's all over the place.
ian crossland
I kind of want to prove sentience of the fetus.
robby starbuck
If you could somehow use a neural net or something to see the intelligence I said we should show high school students what an actual abortion looks like during sex ed.
If they could watch the procedure where a baby is ripped limb from limb and then sucked out, they would have a big issue with it.
You've seen these videos where you can watch them on YouTube where somebody has shown this who says they're 100% pro-choice, they have no problem with abortion, they watch the video, They go pale as it goes, and they change their view on the spot from watching what is actually done to a baby.
chris christie
In my home state of New Jersey, it goes up to nine months that you get an abortion.
I find that morally reprehensible, but that is what the people of our state have voted for, and we should not short-circuit that process until every state's people have the right to weigh in on it.
But here's the bigger issue, Kirsten.
The bigger issue is, and Tim began to touch on this, We're not pro-life for the whole life.
To be pro-life for the whole life means that the life of a 16-year-old drug addict on the floor of the county lockup is precious and we should get treatment for her to restore her life.
The 52-year-old who's drug addicted should make sure that any of his children who he's passed that addiction on to are treated well too.
Pro-life's not just in the womb, Kirsten.
It's for the whole life.
robby starbuck
What he's doing right now is actually giving credence to Democrats, what they've said for many years.
I mean, this is the definition of cowardice on display.
When you go and you feed into what the Democrats have lied and said about every one of your voters, you don't deserve one person's vote because these people have admonished good people who just want to protect life by pretending that they don't care about those babies after they're born.
Every pro-life person I know cares about that baby after it's born and would be the first person if they were asked to help that child.
phil labonte
But the good news is it was Chris Christie and he's a failure anyway.
tim pool
That's true.
phil labonte
So he's not going to win anything.
robby starbuck
That's true.
I was angry and then you reminded me of that.
I feel better now.
Thank you for bringing me back to my kids.
tim pool
I feel like the only logical end result is a nationwide abortion ban.
robby starbuck
Full ban.
tim pool
And that's not me saying what I want to happen.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't see a logical pathway towards anything other than that under the argument that either this country goes the direction of the removal of human rights based on numerous factors.
So this would be like the reverting of the 14th Amendment or it's extended to all life.
So this is one of the big questions of the Civil War.
Well, you know, who's deserving of human rights?
And they said, okay, some states will ban it and some won't because we're a nation of a bunch of states and everyone can choose their own thing.
Then everyone started shooting each other.
Blading Kansas was directly a conflict over slavery, whether or not the state would be a slave state or a free state.
And then ultimately it's like, okay, the federal government needs to answer this question.
The 14th Amendment comes into play and says, all humans, they get human rights.
Among other things.
Now, they're actually arguing a human being in the womb Does not have human rights, and Roe v. Wade was a federal answer to the question, but it needs to be codified by Congress, probably not the Supreme Court.
So it's probably the right move for the Supreme Court to say, this is not for us to decide, but it's for the federal government, for Congress to say, we make this determination, unless we do a constitutional amendment.
So, I believe the federal government needs to have a position on whether or not an unborn baby gets constitutional rights, even the right to bear arms, even as ludicrous as it sounds, all human rights.
Protected for the unborn.
I believe that the only logical question is going to be that, yeah.
robby starbuck
I would say a convention of states and changing the actual Constitution to add a new amendment is more likely than our Congress doing something federally.
I just don't think they'll ever agree on it.
They'll ever have the numbers and that's the problem.
ian crossland
The 14th Amendment says all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction they're in.
tim pool
Read the whole thing.
Read the whole thing.
ian crossland
Okay, and now... Yeah, but you're talking about persons born or naturalized in the United States.
Read it again.
I just read it.
or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person of life any
tim pool
jurisdiction.
Okay, and now...
ian crossland
Yeah, but you're talking about persons born or naturalized in the United States.
Read it again.
tim pool
I just read it.
ian crossland
Read it again.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
We've gone over this like 27 times.
ian crossland
All persons born or naturalized in the United States are subject to the jurisdiction thereof of our citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside.
tim pool
we've got over like twenty seven times persons born at all persons born at
was the united states are subject to the jurisdiction thereof our citizens
united states and of the state where they reside period next class no state shall make or enforce any law that
shall abridge the privileges or means of says that states nor shall any state
to provide any person of life
These are separate clauses.
robby starbuck
Yes, separate clauses, totally different statements.
So it's no longer about if you're born or not, it's just saying a state has no right to do that.
tim pool
Let me clarify, non-citizens in this country are guaranteed due process.
So when it says all persons born or naturalized are citizens, that has nothing to do with whether or not you are granted due process.
Non-citizens, tourists to this country, have free speech and they're granted due process rights when it comes to violations of the law.
That would mean, yes, unborn babies would not be citizens, but if they are persons, they cannot be deprived of their life, liberty, or property without due process.
ian crossland
Are they persons?
robby starbuck
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Is that just an assumption or is that a legal definition?
tim pool
I'm saying the Supreme Court will have to answer that question.
It is not a state question to answer.
The states don't have a right to say that certain people are or are not persons.
The federal government must do it and must answer its own amendment.
Let's go.
unidentified
Here we go.
If you didn't have time to address and why you and not former President Trump would be the party's best choice to tackle these important issues.
You each have a minute.
Senator Scott, we'll start with you.
One minute.
tim scott
There's a crisis that is growing in our nation and that crisis is cultural and spiritual.
We need a renewal, a great awakening.
We should reject the less valueless, faithless, fatherless society.
We should turn back to faith, Patriotism and individual responsibility.
We should stop choosing victimhood and start choosing victory.
We should stop kneeling in protest and start kneeling in prayer.
There are basic truths that built this country.
If you're able-bodied in America, you work.
If you take out a loan, you pay it back.
If you commit a violent crime, you go to jail.
And if God made you a man, you play sports against men.
unidentified
I do not just want to... Audience, please.
I do not just... I do not just want to win the battle against Joe Biden... He was so excited to get that applause.
I do not want us together to win the war... He waited all night for that.
tim scott
I actually, I'm happy for him.
unidentified
Senator Scott, thank you.
Governor Christie, you have won.
chris christie
That's why I'm asking you for your vote.
Listen, it's a gift.
A gift to be an American.
And I'm running for President of the United States because I'm tired.
I'm tired of seeing the division.
I'm tired of seeing the anger.
unidentified
And I can see it in the eyes of America through exhaustion.
The real of all of us talking about him would be really fun.
chris christie
I'm fatigued.
unidentified
You're tired because you've been carrying a lot of weight around, buddy.
chris christie
to do the big things, to make sure that America's role in the world stays number one.
That we stand up for our friends and allies around the world, and we stand up for what
we believe in right here at home.
And it's not to eliminate our differences.
Our differences has always been our strength as a country, not our weakness.
But you can't truly say you love America, unless you're ready to open up your heart to every American.
I'm going to open up my heart to every American as president, and I will make sure that I return honesty, integrity to the Oval Office.
We deserve and should accept nothing less.
unidentified
Governor, thank you very much.
Let's go to Mr. Rana Swamy now.
You have one minute.
vivek ramaswamy
We've talked a lot about foreign wars tonight, but we're in the middle of a war right here at home.
It's a war not between black and white or Democrat and Republican.
It's between those of us who believe in our founding ideals and love this country, and a fringe minority who hates the United States of America.
And I think it's going to take a commander-in-chief to lead us to victory in that war, who first of all knows that we're in a war.
Second of all, can't be captured by the special interests along the way.
But third is from the next generation, somebody with fresh legs to lead us to victory.
I'll shut down the deep state, I'll declare economic independence from China, I'll keep us out of World War III, and then revive national pride in this country.
I also want to close with one message to the Democrat Party.
End this farce that Joe Biden is going to be your nominee.
He's a puppet for the managerial class.
So have the guts to step up and be honest about who you're actually going to put up.
So we can have an estimate.
Biden should step aside, end his candidacy now.
So we can see whether it's Newsom or Michelle Obama or whoever else.
robby starbuck
It's Newsom, but yes, I agree.
unidentified
Very good.
He took out a lot of them tonight.
phil labonte
I don't know how it's going to pan out.
The world is on fire.
We have a war in Europe.
nikki haley
We've got a war in the Middle East.
We've got China on the march.
It is very important that we know how to defend our freedoms and how to defeat terrorism and socialism.
We have to know the difference between good and evil.
We have to know the difference between right and wrong.
We need to know that a strong America doesn't start wars.
A strong America prevents wars.
And the way we can focus on that is to make sure we go back to the soul of America and be strong and proud again.
And we can't do that.
We can't win the fights of the 21st century with politicians from the 20th century.
We have to move forward.
And we can do this.
I know we can do this.
So join our movement.
Go to NikkiHaley.com.
And we will once again show what America that's strong and proud looks like.
God bless.
unidentified
Ambassador, thank you.
serge du preez
No, thank you.
unidentified
Yikes.
robby starbuck
I'll pass on that one.
She follows me on Twitter.
Maybe not after tonight.
She makes a cool interview.
ian crossland
I'd like to interview all these guys.
ron desantis
That is going to require leadership.
I will take the hits.
I will take the arrows.
I will take the barbs.
Because it's not about me, it's about you.
It's not about the past, it's about your future.
We are going to fight for you.
I am going to win for you and your family, and I am going to lead this country's revival.
As a veteran of the Iraq War and in the Navy, I will always put service above self as president.
As the father of three young kids, I'm going to ensure that this country is left to the next generation in better shape than we found it.
And as the governor of Florida, I delivered on all my promises, and you can trust me to deliver for you as the president of the United States.
I am asking for your vote.
I'll be a nominee that will be able to win the election.
I will be a leader you can be proud of, and as your president, I will not let you down.
God bless you.
unidentified
Governor DeSantis, thank you.
Is that it?
Mr. Bolt's going to take us out.
That is going to conclude our- Alright, 95% say Vivek won.
tim pool
Ron's got 3%.
Nikki has got one and Chris has got one.
I didn't exclude Tim Scott from the poll to make like a dig at Tim Scott.
It's just YouTube only allows four categories.
phil labonte
It was pretty clear.
robby starbuck
We'll just say he had 1% too.
If Chris Christie got 1%, then he probably got 1%.
serge du preez
Right.
tim pool
Look, let me say, I like Tim Scott way more than Chris Christie, way more than Nikki Haley, but he should not be on a presidential debate stage.
ian crossland
It was like he was thinking about what to say next.
Like his words were being, like, did you notice that?
robby starbuck
Yeah, no, definitely.
And I think he forgot some stuff.
You know, it was just, I don't think he was fully prepared for some of those questions.
serge du preez
Isn't the appeal to emotion to, like, he's taking his time with every word that he says.
So it means something.
robby starbuck
I think it's the wrong time in history for that, too, because people have less and less attention span.
Like, even myself, I know when I'm watching videos or podcasts or whatever, I turn it on to where it's one and a half times as fast.
I'm listening way faster than I ever have in my life.
A lot of people are in the same boat.
So when you hear somebody talking really slowly like this, it starts to feel like they don't know what they want to say.
ian crossland
Oh, I've noticed that on this show as a co-host, because Tim will talk really fast, and then if I come in like this, everyone's like, shut up!
Shut up!
And it's like, no, talk faster, get it out of the way.
robby starbuck
Everybody says that about you, Ian.
Like, I didn't want to tell you, but... It's my vibe, baby!
It's been a big conversation, you know, behind your back.
No, I'm just kidding.
tim pool
We're gonna read some Super Chats!
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
So, uh, we're not gonna have the members on the Uncensored show tonight because it was a debate night, and, uh, you know, they go long.
So, uh, we're just gonna read superchats, and YouTube's been doing this weird thing where it's not loading properly.
serge du preez
Yeah, I don't know what's going on.
tim pool
So I did refresh, so we got, uh, the first few superchats here.
We started a little early.
Clint Torres says, howdy, people!
unidentified
Hey, Clint!
tim pool
Clint with the first superchat.
Look at me says, I'm the captain now.
Well, maybe, maybe number one.
ian crossland
Look at me.
tim pool
All right.
And, uh, here we go.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
Interesting.
says anyone who raises a foreign nation's flag at a capital in front of the White House should be considered traitors.
Only the American flag should be, uh, should wave there, period.
Right on. We're gonna, uh, we're gonna refresh it and hopefully get all of the superchats to load now without, um,
because it cuts off the early ones when we reload it.
Yo, uh, Vivek's debate performance may be the best debate performance I have ever seen in my life.
He pulled a Bill Clinton.
ian crossland
Like, like Clinton in his first debate was lame and then came in and he must have had great review of his own performance and came in and just smashed it in 1992.
Now that's similar to what Vivek did.
robby starbuck
I don't know that you'll ever beat that moment where Trump said, because you'd be in jail.
phil labonte
That was so good.
tim pool
That's true, that's true.
robby starbuck
I mean, that's a tough one to beat.
tim pool
But I mean, like, holistically, like, from start to finish, let's just say that Vivek had the low blow haymakers to Donald Trump's massive jab right in the face.
robby starbuck
Knockout, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, knockout.
robby starbuck
The only way you could do totally better is if you pulled the same thing and you actually put her in jail.
You know, that would be an improvement.
However, hard to beat that moment.
phil labonte
I think it's, I mean, honestly, Jesse Kelly was talking or was tweeting today.
He said something about talking about Trump.
And it's his opinion that Trump's going to go to jail.
And I think that he's probably right.
I agree.
And I don't know if I don't know if there's normies that are going to vote for, you know, a president that's in jail.
robby starbuck
I think there are.
phil labonte
I don't think there's enough to get him over.
If it's binary.
Well, I mean, it'll be Donald Trump versus whoever.
And I would personally prefer to see someone like Vivek in the spot.
Because he's not in jail then to see Donald Trump running from jail if Donald Trump doesn't go to jail Then I think that Donald Trump has a better shot.
I think if Donald Trump does go to jail, I think that just puts normies off because there's
so many normies.
serge du preez
They're just not smart enough.
Yeah, and this is...
He went to jail, I can't vote for him.
phil labonte
Yeah, this is not my preference.
I'm just saying that this is what seems most likely to me.
tim pool
We have a correction too.
It was the stream that we had of Trump had 7,700.
Okay, cool.
So Dan Lamar says Trump had 130k and the debate had 70.
I wonder how that's but I think I think the issue is are we combining everything?
Are you talking about like Trump's core stream?
Because we had Trump Jr.' 's channel and it wasn't loading properly.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Superdank says DeSantis is the heel and Vivek is the baby face.
This is a WWE match.
Correct.
robby starbuck
I mean, that's pretty much all of politics at this point.
tim pool
Dave Rubin tweeted that Vivek is such an insufferable prick and he's getting ratioed really, really hard for it.
Look, man.
ian crossland
Dude, Rubin just got baited into giving Vivek a lot of publicity.
tim pool
No, I think the people who hitched their wagon to Ron DeSantis are probably sweating bullets.
robby starbuck
Well, you've got to be kind of upset with these performances and also, you know, I mean, Dave's a smart guy.
I think that he knows deep down the campaign has not been run the way that it should have been run if you really wanted to have a great shot here.
Vivek, on the other hand, has set himself up well, whether it's his team's doing or his own.
I don't know.
But somebody there has set himself up well in the event that something does happen with President Trump.
You know, because I think a lot of the people who support Trump are going to shift that direction should something like that happen, unless it's somebody who comes in late.
You know, I don't know if they'll be able to get on the ballot, though, in that case.
You know, so there's a lot up in the air, but I do know that the way they've run the campaign, they're not set up well to take in Trump voters in any event.
You know, it's just there's a lot of hard feelings and stuff, and I don't think it's going to turn out well.
And I think if you're somebody who hitched yourself really early on to Ron, You're probably upset by the way things have been run and it makes you a little more testy with situations like this.
phil labonte
I think that's another strong point with Vivek is Vivek has because he's not attacking Trump everyone kind of feels like he's the guy that's like he's he's maybe he's going for VP or whatever whatever you know your your prediction might want to be but because of his take on Trump and because he's been very you know passive towards Trump He leaves the door open for all the Trump voters that if they're not gonna vote for Trump and Trump's you know, I talked before about Trump's floor It's very very solid.
There are diehard bottom is solid.
It's bottom is solid.
Yes rocks But yes, but because of that If Trump isn't in the running, it's very easy for those people to slide over into Vivek's camp.
And because of the fact that what Vivek is talking about is very similar to Trump's policies.
There's not a lot of daylight between them.
And I think that Vivek is probably more informed on the policies than Trump is.
robby starbuck
It's pretty much the same policies, but more eloquently stated.
It was a hard sell to sell Trump policies to, let's say, somebody who went to an Ivy League or somebody who was in a tech startup that is doing some innovative thing.
Vivek can communicate to those people the exact same policy that they just scoffed at and treated like it was crazy coming from Trump.
They hear it from him and they go, oh, that's really smart.
And it's it's not a byproduct of somehow the policy gets better.
It's just that the communication is clear to that person.
But meanwhile, Vivek, he's also still communicating to your typical Trump based voter like like me, you know, like I voted for Trump both times.
I fully understand in the same way and respect that I did with Trump.
And I think that's why he pulls in some interesting different people that were pushed away maybe by Trump in the beginning.
So it's interesting, but I mean Trump is obviously still the leader.
I don't think he's going to prison in a way that would prevent him from being able to become president.
tim pool
Let me read this from Char Deets.
He says, I'm pro-life, but I also believe in choice for others.
God gives all mankind free will and I think we can have our own beliefs and values.
Uh, what does it say?
But bits up to- But it's- But it's- I see the B was an accidental typo, you meant the space bar.
To each individual.
Uh, I completely disagree.
You cannot have one state being like, it's not murder if you kill a person from this background.
It's not murder.
You can't have that.
You can't have one state be like, we think this is not a person.
It's like, are they a person or not?
Answer the question.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm looking at natural person.
It's the natural person.
Cause there are other persons that are corporations, but if it are babies at two months in the womb considered natural persons legally, that's really what it comes down to.
tim pool
The federal government needs to have an answer for that.
And my attitude is, yeah, I'm not traditional pro-life.
I'm traditional pro-choice.
And while I think abortion is wrong, I think there's very difficult constitutional questions in how you balance the rights of two individuals sharing one body.
And then ultimately, I just want to encourage Democrats to get the abortions they want to get.
You know, Democrats and liberals and leftists, you know, I will help facilitate their trips See, I don't want them to get abortions.
robby starbuck
I want their kids to find a different pathway than their parents did.
I want them to be able to have all the success and happiness in the world.
I thought this was sort of a good little nugget from what has been a difficult debate for a lot of people, and there's a lot of truth in it.
Elon Musk said, women in the West have been taught that an accidental pregnancy is the worst thing that could possibly happen to them.
Thus, they strongly oppose abortion bans as being an existential threat.
Many men also fear that they will be unable to have fun if abortion is outlawed.
These things are all unequivocally true, okay?
And I responded to him and said, the tragedy is that kids will fulfill most people more than anything else they do in life.
And Elon responded, absolutely.
And I think that's something That if I could communicate to any young person today who has never been in the room when the ultrasound happens, who has not been there and seen a child be born into the world, who has not been there and taught their kid how to ride a bike or any of these things, I would say, you know, reject this idea you've been sold that this is some clump of cells.
Realize this is an extension of you.
This is your opportunity to do better.
All those things in your life that you feel like you haven't done quite well enough or you feel like you wish you could be more, your child can be.
They're a clean slate.
And that doesn't mean you project all of your failures and say, oh, this person needs to be the betterment of all my failures, but understand that they can be greatness.
And to cancel that out and extinguish it before they've ever had the chance, I mean, you're not only impeding on their ability, and their right to life, and their right to become the greatest thing they can be, but you're hurting yourself.
tim pool
Patrick Bette David tweets, not only was Vivek the unanimous winner, a star was born today, he shined, he was loose, he was comfortable yet intense, he even gave credit to DeSantis and Tim Scott multiple times, a good balance between a fighter, leader, and synergist.
He kept going to DeSantis on each break and spark a conversation with him, another sign of synergist.
He kept giving different perspectives, changing definition of overdose to terrorist poisoning.
He was so captivating tonight that if you watched the replay, you'd notice even his opponents impressed with his answers.
phil labonte
Yeah, he framed everything really, really well.
He was in control of the framing of all the questions when he was answering, like whatever they brought to him.
He made sure that he was answering in a way that made it understandable for the average person and also was on his terms.
tim pool
ReallyNow asks, why y'all only listening to three-fifths of what Tim Scott says?
I'll tell you, I'll tell you.
ian crossland
Because he talked at three-fifths the speed.
tim pool
No, that's not it at all.
It's because... I certainly understand the joke.
But why were we muting Tim Scott?
He wasn't actually giving answers.
Sorry.
After like a couple of the questions where they're like, what would you do about the border?
I would secure the border, because the border needs to be secured.
And then once I secure the border, I would deal with immigration in the country.
I'm like, all right, off.
robby starbuck
Yeah, it's just boilerplate.
tim pool
It's worse than boilerplate.
It's like, what would you do about the problem of laws at the border?
I'd bring the law.
Next question.
Okay, like you didn't answer the question, dude!
robby starbuck
Yeah.
ian crossland
I wanted to hear people talk about flying spy drones over the border, like constant just drone surveillance over the border.
That's what we need.
unidentified
You know how you set a debate with a trade worker?
tim pool
They do that.
phil labonte
We know that they're already coming.
No, no, no.
We don't need to figure out how to find out.
tim pool
They do that.
ian crossland
I wanted them to talk about it.
tim pool
They have drones at the southern border.
They fly all the time, non-stop, and at the Canadian border as well.
robby starbuck
We need to have a debate where you're on stage and you're just shouting out what you're thinking.
ian crossland
Yes.
Graphene, hydrogen fuel, these are things Vivek needs to talk about on the next one.
robby starbuck
No, but I did notice that, what that person said in the super chat, that the opponents, you know, you can notice with the smiles... No, that was Patrick by David.
Oh, it was.
Okay, you notice with the smiles that you'd see some of the opponents smile after he finished with his answer in like a way that's like you can't hold it in because you know you're like, damn, that was good.
You know, that happened a couple times.
ian crossland
Like these people be in Vivek's cabinet kind of energy.
robby starbuck
Yeah, I don't know if that's gonna happen.
ian crossland
That happened with Obama, I think.
They really liked him on stage when they were debating in 2008.
And Patrick Bette David, for the record, was there in the room.
That's why, of course, he saw, between commercial breaks, what he was seeing.
robby starbuck
Do you think Hillary Clinton ever really liked Barack Obama?
I don't think so.
tim pool
No?
ian crossland
I don't know.
robby starbuck
Yeah, I don't think so.
I don't think there was real fond feelings there.
ian crossland
I'm so excited to take these debates to the next level of science, scientific accuracy, and really talk about technology that is the solution to the energy sector and the defense sector.
The Department of Defense is heavily invested in this graphene production out of Rice University and the hydrogen fuel production.
phil labonte
These are things that the average person, their eyes are going to gloss over and they're going to be like... Yeah, you need to let people know what... People understand kitchen table issues.
If you have... So Vivek is very, very knowledgeable when it comes to science and technology and stuff like that.
He's owned a biotech company or whatever.
If he started talking like that...
he would lose everybody. You gotta go slow. You have to talk to people, you have to go to people
where they are and just being like, this is my plan for the future and has all these things
that most people don't even know what you're talking about or are not be condescending with.
Yeah, like it's not a good way to do it.
Vivek's approach, I think, tonight was really, really good.
Like I said earlier, he framed everything in a way that people can understand.
serge du preez
Exactly.
phil labonte
And it was clear and concise.
serge du preez
That was the most important thing he really needed in his campaign.
I think before he always seemed like he was like the college boy type person.
This time I think he was way more relatable and he got people.
He had some gotchas, you know?
tim pool
Yeah, a lot of gotchas.
Remember when Matt Gaetz was on this show last?
When was that?
That was like a month ago, I guess, right?
serge du preez
About a month.
ian crossland
No, it was over a month.
tim pool
It was over a month.
ian crossland
We had him on stage on the Friday episode.
Yeah, what, two or three months ago?
tim pool
So this is like five weeks now.
When he was here, I smashed my pinky in between the chair and the table, so that's why my pinky is discolored.
ian crossland
Oh, snap.
tim pool
And so I'm just, like, counting the days since Matt Gaetz has been here.
The length of my fingernail.
ian crossland
Have you soaked it in Epsom salt?
If water and epsom salt.
tim pool
There's a hole in it, it's dented, and blood is coming out the back.
robby starbuck
Ian wants you to put graphene in it.
ian crossland
I have some right here, actually.
Have you ever seen it in person?
It's like black powder, but like sand.
robby starbuck
He wants you to stick your finger in there.
ian crossland
I'm not sure if that would be good.
tim pool
All right, Alexander Scarpacci says, Vivek should be Trump's chief of staff.
He needs to be continuously in Trump's ear.
Yeah, dude.
robby starbuck
That would be killer, actually.
If Trump is president, that'd be killer.
tim pool
And if anything, I kind of feel like Vivek Everything he's saying, it's like you got these older neocons who are talking about BS garbage no one cares about, except for maybe older neocons.
And then Davek is basically saying, remember me in 2028.
robby starbuck
Yeah.
And maybe Trump sends him to the UN, you know, where Nikki went last time and this time just burn it down.
tim pool
I don't know.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe.
I mean, look, dude's a billionaire.
Almost.
He's half a billionaire.
What is net worth?
ian crossland
650, 650 million or something like that.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't think a guy like that wants to just be an ambassador.
ian crossland
No, a VP or president.
robby starbuck
If there was a stage where... I think there's a job out there.
I don't know which one it'd be.
Maybe it's governor or senate or something like that because he's in Ohio, isn't he?
tim pool
Yeah.
robby starbuck
So I could see him trying in the next Ohio governor election.
I don't know when that is because I think DeWine was just elected again in 2022.
I'd have to double check that.
2020 maybe or 2022.
So maybe that's the future, you know?
unidentified
2019.
ian crossland
2019.
He was, yeah.
No, no, wait.
American Poltergeist Attorney since, yeah.
2019 he was elected as the 70th governor of Ohio.
robby starbuck
Yeah so maybe that's the the future move because I could see him doing a great job in that position as a governor and kind of proving the model of his leadership on on a state level and then you know.
ian crossland
I've got a feeling that he would become like a personality on talk show personality instead.
robby starbuck
I could see that too.
ian crossland
Only because he said he doesn't want anything than the best.
He's not interested in anything other than But a governor's a pretty cool robot.
robby starbuck
Before he ran, he was preparing to roll out a podcast, wasn't he?
tim pool
He does have a podcast.
robby starbuck
He does have one.
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's actually very good.
Yeah.
I remember seeing it.
It's on YouTube.
tim pool
I mean, dude, he had the opening and the closing.
It was amazing.
robby starbuck
I don't think there was an answer he gave that was bad, you know?
ian crossland
No, I didn't like that he interrupted, Nicky.
I didn't like that he was interrupting.
He didn't have to do that.
You get powerful enough, you don't have to interrupt anymore.
At least you think you did the right thing.
robby starbuck
I didn't mind it.
phil labonte
It works when Donald Trump does it.
robby starbuck
I think sometimes, like, If you wait too long, it starts to feel like, oh, they had to sit there and think out this response in a debate format.
I don't have a problem with it.
If you're in a room having a respectful conversation with somebody, yes, wait for them to finish what they have to say.
Respond.
In a debate, live on TV, where people want to see your leadership and quick thinking ability, I see no problem cutting in and saying, hey, no, I'm going to correct this on the spot, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Alright.
tim pool
Well, I mean, we actually don't have that many superchats, so... Yeah, kind of a surprise.
Yeah.
ian crossland
People are so invested in the show.
tim pool
I mean, it's mostly just Vivek, Vivek, and fire emojis and stuff like that.
Yeah, so I think, look, this is a special debate night show.
We usually don't do members-only shows, because we go into superchats afterwards, but...
I don't know.
I guess, I guess it's, uh, the debate's over.
I feel like we, uh, you know, I gotta say it.
I don't care for the lesser-known GOP debates.
I insult them routinely.
I didn't want to do this when I was even talking to Luke yesterday.
I'm like, I don't care about the debate, dude.
Like, let's talk about the news.
It's like this, the manifesto stuff.
But I'm glad we did watch it.
Because Vivek was epic, and that was pretty awesome.
But I guess, that being said, we'll just wind things up, so smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, but most importantly, watch Infringed.
We're not gonna have the members only uncensored because, as I mentioned, usually when there's like a speech or a presidential state of the union or something, we just run through the show and then it goes long or whatever.
But if you're looking for something to do, watch Infringed.
Really, you've got to watch it.
It's an hour and 40 minutes.
Maybe it's too late for you to check it out.
But seriously, share it with your friends.
We're going to be doing way more.
This is an expensive project for us.
The budget is, I don't know, a quarter million bucks, probably, is what we're aiming towards right now, what we're looking at in terms of production and marketing.
And we're probably going to be going higher than that depending on what we can accomplish with it.
I think running the commercials for it itself is Helping win the culture war and defend gun rights.
So, you know, you can watch that at Timcast.com on the front page.
You can follow the show at Timcast IRL.
You can follow me personally at Timcast.
Robbie, do you want to shout anything out?
robby starbuck
You can follow me at Robbie Starbuck or sub to me on any of those channels.
See clips coming out from our documentary later this year.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on X or Twix.
I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, YouTube, you know, the internet.
ian crossland
And I just got confirmation from Luke Rudkowski.
We Are Change.
He's going to have Vivek Ramaswamy on the show tomorrow.
3 p.m.
3 p.m.
Subscribe to We Are Change on YouTube and keep an eye open for that.
phil labonte
Can you confirm the heels of He posted a picture.
ian crossland
Oh, excellent.
And then also subscribe on Rumble, rumble.com slash we are change because they usually take
the second half of the show over there and get down and dirty.
So you hear the real stuff there.
I'm Ian Crossland and go check out.
We were talking a lot about energy tonight.
That was a big part of the theme of saving the world.
Check out my YouTube channel.
I interviewed you, Keskel Moskowitz, who's talking about reusing 95% of our spent nuclear
fuel to create closed systems so that we don't have to worry about mining it from Kazakhstan
or Canada.
We can actually just reuse what we got and continue our nuclear productions capacity.
And also that's episode number four.
Episode number two is James Tuer talking about retrofitting our economy into a hydrogen-based
fuel system and mass producing graphene with which we can build the wall and many walls
and many ships for our Navy.
Very exciting.
Subscribe to me on YouTube and I'll see you later.
serge du preez
I am Serge.com.
I agree.
Let's build that northern wall against the maple curtain.
We need to get something out there.
Because these Canadians are just, you know, going to keep pouring over the water.
So, I again, I'm Serge.com.
Yeah, let's deal with this frostbite problem.
And I'm just kidding.
I really am just kidding.
I have a lot of good Canadian friends.
tim pool
We just had some Canadians on the other way.
unidentified
When you get off today, they're gonna go, AY!
serge du preez
I hope they apologize to me.
tim pool
They're gonna say, I'm sorry I bothered you.
Alright everybody, thanks for hanging out.
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