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Sept. 22, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Democrat Senator INDICTED On Bribery Charges, Dem Mayor QUITS, Joins GOP w/Vince Dao
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tim pool
Senator Bob Menendez.
He's a Democrat.
He has just been indicted on bribery charges for accepting gold bars.
This is going to be an interesting story because this dude's been, he's been, I think he's been criminally charged before.
He's been, let's just say, he's been on the wrong side of the law in the past.
And, uh, here we go again.
I don't think anyone's surprised to hear this news, but it's going to have a tremendous impact on the Senate.
I'm wondering what this will mean for New Jersey and for the balance of power in the Senate.
And then, of course, we have that we have a the Democrat mayor of Dallas switches to the Republican Party.
This is going to be really interesting.
What we see moving forward in 2024, of course, we've been seeing a lot of interesting things.
There's not necessarily any evidence of direct correlation, but when you see someone in a Democrat city say outright, we need Republicans, I'm switching, that's it.
I think 2024 is going to get really interesting in terms of people are insane, there's going to be prosecutions, there's going to be conflict, but we're going to see weird stories in the press.
And, uh, well, may you live in interesting times.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Vince Dao.
vince dao
Good to see everyone.
Yeah, my name is Vince Dow.
I'm a Gen Z conservative content creator, and you may recognize me from that one Vice panel where the other Asians were going crazy, and I just was very calm, and everyone has seen that.
Not everyone, but a lot of people in the sector have seen that.
So if you've seen that, that's, of course, me.
And, you know, great to be here and good to be with you, Tim, of course.
tim pool
Right on.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Phil Labonte.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains, a failed musician guy, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
tim pool
A communist called you a failed musician?
Is Hassan a communist or a socialist?
phil labonte
Ah, it's the same garbage, you know.
Socialism, the end goal of socialism is communism, said Lenin.
tim pool
This is like, ah, dude.
Yeah, so Hassan was doing a podcast and he said Phil was a failed musician and it's like, bro, if you're that desperate and that's the only move you have to make against someone because you don't have an argument to say that a platinum recording artist who just opened for Metallica has failed, I'm like, damn, what success?
phil labonte
Uh, apparently it's, uh, quitting The Leftovers is success.
That's what I hear.
He quit?
That's what I hear.
I don't know for sure, but I hear that he was leaving The Leftovers.
The Leftovers.
I mean, look, Ethan Klein gave him the business, and that was the thing that I was poking at him about.
And then the very next, uh... How did you get destroyed by Ethan Klein?
I mean, he asked you questions about Communist China, and you're afraid of your chat.
He's terrified of his chat, and he doesn't want to say anything too anti-China, so you know.
And then the whole next episode, I watched it just recently, they just, Ethan and Hasan are just, or Ethan's picking Hasan apart.
unidentified
Wow.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Hasan's socialism is not strong.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Wow.
tim pool
Well, Ian's here.
ian crossland
Hey everybody, what's up?
Ian Cross on.
I'd love to get Hasan in the house.
We've been meaning to have him on anyway, so maybe now's a good time.
Get this all hashed out face-to-face.
Play some music together.
Good to see you, Vince.
tim pool
Well, he of course is always welcome.
I just really don't see that as being a reality.
ian crossland
That'd be great!
unidentified
It would be cool to get him here.
I mean, he was the bro bible guy.
Like, I feel like somewhere deep down, you can have a real conversation, but...
tim pool
If someone's built their career off making money, and their whole plan is like, what kind of content can I do to make money?
There's apparently some scandal involving Dylan Mulvaney related to this, like a video came out.
But we've talked about it before, where if you look at Dylan's early content, it's like throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks.
These people aren't going to betray an ideology when the whole purpose of their ideology is to make money.
vince dao
And I hate the term grifter, but I've seen Hasan just sit there and he'll react to stuff, and basically just eats food the whole time, says a couple comments, and it sells because it's reaction content, I don't know.
He's a big boy, he takes a lot of things to do.
tim pool
I mean, the real secret is for a lot of these online communities, it's a place to hang out.
vince dao
Exactly, exactly.
tim pool
Well, let's jump into the news!
Ladies and gentlemen, Bob Menendez has been charged with accepting gold bar bribes.
Hey man, I gotta say, if you're gonna take bribes, gold bars is the way to do it.
phil labonte
Smart.
tim pool
So, New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez has been indicted for bribery, according to a statement from the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York.
Menendez is currently the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
The Democrat and his wife, Nadine, have been under federal investigation since 2022.
The couple is allegedly believed to have taken $400,000 worth of gold bars from New Jersey developer and former bank chairman Fred Diabas.
How do you pronounce it?
Diabs?
And his associates, Wael Hanna and Jose Uribe.
In exchange, Menendez reportedly agreed to use his official influence to sway the Justice Department, which had accused Diabes of bank crimes.
Newly unsealed documents filed in New York accused Menendez and his wife of accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes.
In exchange, freezing Menendez's power and influence as a senator to seek, protect, and enrich Hanna Uribe.
ian crossland
Yeah, something like that.
unidentified
Uribe?
ian crossland
Uribe.
tim pool
It looks like... And Diabus?
ian crossland
Diabus says there's a little typo there.
It says D-A-I instead of D-I-A.
tim pool
To the benefit of the Arab Republic of Egypt.
Wow.
Well, the first thing I'm gonna say is the federal government, especially the Southern District of New York, gets zero benefit of the doubt from me.
And I gotta say, I...
I am biased against, you know, individuals like Menendez and many Democrats.
But I will tell you this, I am more biased against the Southern District of New York for the things they've done.
Aren't they the ones that have been going after Project Veritas?
Maybe I'm wrong about that.
But I know that they're going after Trump.
Not a fan of these guys, and so I will actually say, you know, I'll give Menendez the benefit of the doubt.
Let's hear what they have to say.
First and foremost, no matter who someone is, innocent until proven guilty.
But I am not going to jump on throwing Menendez under the bus simply because he's a Democrat.
I do not trust SDNY.
I do not trust federal prosecutors.
I think the moment the Feds tried, and New York goes after Trump for political reasons, Anything they do is tainted, no matter what.
So maybe they want to go after Menendez?
Fine.
Maybe it benefits Republicans in the long run?
Sure, whatever.
Don't care.
These people are evil and I don't trust them.
vince dao
Do you guys have a gold sponsor? Because if you do, this would be a great time.
Hey, the politicians are trying to take the gold.
So what do you think you should be doing?
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting.
There probably has to be a reason they're going after him, I'd have to imagine.
I mean, you've seen the same thing, you said Southern District of New York, right?
You kind of saw how the political system in New York went after Andrew Cuomo, one of their own, because, you know, clearly something there fell out of favor.
So I really wonder what the backstory is here, because I couldn't imagine they're just gonna go after him just because, oh, he's a corrupt politician, right?
So there's probably something more to the story, I would have to imagine.
tim pool
All Menendez has to do right now is have a press conference and say that one week ago he began drafting a resolution for the Senate to end the persecution and prosecution of Donald Trump because it was disruptive to our democracy and then all of a sudden he's being indicted and just let her rip.
vince dao
Interesting.
tim pool
The Democrats are in the seat of power.
vince dao
Yeah.
tim pool
What could he say right now in favor of Democrats that would get Democrats?
Nothing.
If he came out and said, I hate Donald Trump, please, they'd be like, too bad.
We don't care.
But if he came out and was like, I wanted to, I was arguing to end the prosecution of Trump because this is not the way the Democratic Party should be operating, that would actually earn him some benefit.
He would get political tribalists being like, we'll let you slide on this one.
Keep talking.
phil labonte
I don't really have a take other than, you know, if you can get gold bars, get them.
ian crossland
I'm very glad you started off the segment talking about the presumption of innocence.
That's a real important part of the next 20 or 30 years of American livelihood.
tim pool
Yeah, but the problem is we, we be good people.
So I will, I have no problem saying like, I don't know what this guy was involved in, but you better prove it before I'm willing to throw someone in jail or whatever.
ian crossland
Every day.
Beyond a reasonable thought.
tim pool
But the problem is, the Democrats don't extend that in the other direction.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
So at this point, is it like, well, you know what?
You stick that label on your name, and you get no favors from me.
ian crossland
No, I think that's what the deep power wants, is for us to forego rule of law and just start going at each other.
They're frothing, waiting for you to tear yourself apart.
phil labonte
Well, they're using the law.
I don't see how you get to foregoing the rule of law.
If he's being prosecuted by New York, they're using the law against him.
Now granted, it doesn't look good.
It looks like he actually did this stuff.
But that being said, you should be innocent until proven guilty.
You know or you should be treated that way, but it's not like it's not like they're after like it's not like there's there's an attempt to get around the law or circumvent the law Except for on his case his case.
vince dao
I don't see that that it's a right-left thing is what I guess is what I'm getting Here's the thing is that I don't even want to use the term Democrats.
I think it's more so There's a lot of people in the Uniparty who have gotten away with genuine, legitimate crimes that, you know, no one ever indicted, no one ever tried to even investigate.
So I do think to some degree, considering what they're doing to Trump and, you know, a lot of people on our side for very frivolous reasons very often, I do think in the future, if we ever want to kind of...
Balance out the playing field.
I do think you're gonna have to at some point try to hold the other side or the uniparty I should say really more so accountable for the things that they're just straight-up getting away with that are real crime So I'm not saying obviously fabricate crimes or try to you know, just go after people to go after them but I think you've seen them turn a blind eye to a lot of establishment politicians over the years and I think To balance out the situation now, I think you know I just don't know if I'll trust any of them no matter what.
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
It's just none of it, none of it.
vince dao
It's probably not going to happen, but it's just, you know, in theory.
tim pool
They ignore Epstein.
All of them do.
And the problem I have is that for a lot of these powerful corrupt individuals that we know about, Any prosecutor could have gone after him.
vince dao
Absolutely, yeah, you're right.
tim pool
There is justification for, when it comes to these politicians and high-profile individuals, they do work in jurisdictions all across the country.
There are grounds for it.
That's why New York is going after Trump.
They'll find a way.
But Republicans don't do anything.
ian crossland
I was thinking last night, like, if you tear open an evil system and you rip back the curtain and show everyone how evil it is, you're providing a threat for the system's stability.
Even if it's evil, if you expose it, it can disrupt and then the system could fall apart.
So what'll happen is people will try and just show you a little bit of it at a time, but that's like...
Poking a needle into a balloon and trying to stop it from popping, trying to hold it tight.
And it's like, once evil gets exposed a little, the rest of it just comes pouring out.
And trying to suppress people's awareness of it is almost doing more damage to the system than just letting it... It's building up.
Yeah, that's what it feels like.
tim pool
There is a postule full of pus on the United States that they just keep slapping Band-Aids over, and it just keeps getting bigger and worse.
unidentified
And when this thing pops, ooh, it's gonna suck.
tim pool
But man, you can't just keep thinking like, this is what they do in terms of the economy, as we were talking about with debt and war, and one of the theories, there is a theory, I could call it a conspiracy, I don't know if it's a conspiracy theory or a hypothesis, that the purpose of the stimulus during COVID was not really COVID.
It was, hey, here's our chance to flood the economy with printed money so that we can pay down the debt and kick the can down the road for a couple more years because A monetary system which produces more debt than currency eventually collapses.
phil labonte
Well, that's something that Austrians and Libertarians and even fiscal conservatives have been talking about.
I mean, we are in a new paradigm now considering the fact that the government and the Federal Reserve is working under a modern monetary theory.
So it's MMT all the way.
The idea that they're taxing to pay for things, that's something that people should just put
out of their heads.
The point of taxes is to control inflation.
That's it.
Just to take money from people.
They're going to use, they're going to print up the money that they, that they, you know,
whatever they need to do, whatever their, whatever program they want, whatever they
need, they just print it.
The fact that the federal government collects taxes means that the dollar has a value because
you have to get dollars to pay those taxes.
They use taxes and interest rates to control inflation.
There is nothing backing it.
The only value that comes from your dollar is from the demand for taxes.
So we have to get away, or people should try to get away from the idea that we are using taxes to pay for projects.
And the argument against MMT is it gives the government Unlimited authority to print money and do whatever they want with finances outside of the... Let me read some of this real quick from NBC just to give some context.
tim pool
Apparently his wife is also being charged.
And they say that federal agents said they discovered many of the items, many of these items were, when they executed search warrants in the couple's home, they found more than $480,000 in cash, much of it stuffed into envelopes and hidden in clothing, closets, and a safe, including jackets bearing the senator's name that were hanging in his closet.
As well as more than $70,000 in Nadine's safe deposit box, the indictment alleges.
I mean, this is pretty wild.
unidentified
Whose money was he holding?
tim pool
They got photos of like a sweater.
Let me pull this up because I was just reading it on my phone.
Let me pull it up.
unidentified
I wanted to ask you, Phil, do you know of any historical examples of a nation or an empire being in the level of debt that we are right now?
So this is kind of like uncharted territory.
phil labonte
No, and also MMT is still a fairly new theory.
vince dao
Yeah.
I wanted to comment really quickly on Tim's quote-unquote conspiracy theory.
It's funny, we talk about the Great Reset, living in pods, and very often the natural reaction is people would never accept that.
But that is the thing, is that when everything becomes unaffordable, when you can't afford a home, where are you going to live?
You can't afford food, you know, what's the next reaction to that?
So if it all lined up and that was the purpose of COVID, to basically destroy the current order and traditional American way of life in So that way it gets worse and worse, and now eventually people ten years from now will basically just accept a quasi-great reset.
I think it's, uh, interesting to say the least, right?
tim pool
I- I wanna- I- We got this picture pulled up, and it is... It's a- It's a decent amount of money.
I mean, let me look- It's probably a couple grand.
Serious question though, for like, for what reason?
It's an honest question.
I'm not saying- I'm not- This is not rhetorical.
Honest question.
For what purpose...
Would someone have $5,000 to $10,000 in $100 bills in an envelope, hidden, just like stuffed in the pocket, in a closet, in a sweater?
unidentified
It's not his.
That's my initial thought is, whose money is this?
And why is he holding on to it?
I think he's a scapegoat.
I think they're throwing him under the rug, saying, look, the DOJ plays fair.
Look at us.
tim pool
I mean, it could be his money, because if he is taking bribes, that's what makes sense.
He doesn't want a paper trail, so he does hard paper.
unidentified
But we live in a world of crypto.
phil labonte
Like, I think it's very... Crypto's not safe.
tim pool
Yeah, they got AI that can track all that stuff.
ian crossland
This guy's been hard on crypto, actually.
This guy was notoriously pushing hard against one of the crypto companies, what was it, like a year ago.
I read that earlier today, and I didn't dig into how bad it was, but it's like, It's like, uh, you know, harmonious that this guy who's anti-crypto is taking bribes.
So like, what, you know, who's the real villain in this situation?
unidentified
Yo, look at these gold bars, wow.
tim pool
Gold bars?
What do you do with gold bars?
phil labonte
Put them in a safe.
tim pool
It says Swiss Bank Corporation.
I know, but like, look man, I know gold is valuable, but...
How are you going to move this amount of money?
Like what's your plan?
If you're a regular person and you are like, I would like to hedge, you know, have a hedge or, or, or, you know, a hard asset or whatever.
It's like, Oh, I totally get it.
Totally get buying gold.
I have a little bit, I have most more silver than gold, but no, it makes sense.
But if you're taking bribes.
What are you going to do with it?
ian crossland
There was a bunch and lots of envelopes, different envelopes.
That makes me think that they're going to start trafficking cash off-site.
They may have already started trafficking cash off-site if they're in little envelopes.
vince dao
You know what's kind of funny about this, though, is this is a very old-school New York, New Jersey political scandal.
He has a bunch of cash money, gold bars, mafia, very aesthetic going there.
You know, it kind of amuses me, to tell you the truth.
It's an old school political scandal.
unidentified
It is very Breaking Bad, Ozark, you know.
That's funny.
tim pool
Oh yeah, so this is, Menendez was going hard on Venezuela's talk of Okay, now, I just gotta say, right here, nah, this doesn't move the needle for me.
I mean, he's got a couple grand in 50s.
He's got 20s right there, and it looks like it might be, like, 1,400, maybe, in 20s.
If they're super rich, having like a thousand bucks in a pocket somewhere, I'm okay, I can understand that for whatever, but that stack of hundreds, I'm like, for what purpose?
ian crossland
In the envelopes, because if a drug dealer has like a big block of weed, that's one thing, but if they have a bunch of little baggies of it, all split up, that's intent to sell.
That's intent to move, basically.
tim pool
I mean, how rich is this guy?
What's his net worth?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I'm not, I'm not really, I don't really buy that he was attempting to move the money.
I think he was just sitting on it.
Honestly, I have a feeling, you know, if you're, if you've got gold bars, like what, what does, what does move mean to you?
ian crossland
Give it to his friends, send it overseas.
tim pool
I'm not sure.
ian crossland
Put it in a pocket every time, every week.
unidentified
Hold on.
tim pool
We got opensecrets.org saying that his net worth as of 2018 was $541,000.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
Ain't no way.
Ain't no way someone whose net worth is just a half a mil is dropping 5-10k in the coat pocket and ignoring it.
If this dude was worth a couple mil, I'd be like, maybe he was out partying with the boys at a bar.
He took out a bunch of cash.
Maybe he was doing Vegas or whatever.
I don't know.
There's... I mean...
You know, there's reasons, but not a dude who's worth this, and his assets are apparently his house.
So he's worth half a million dollars, but $375,000 is his house.
And then he makes $175,000 a year?
phil labonte
That is weird for him to be worth so little money, honestly, from... I don't think... I can't believe this, right?
Where, like, he's in New York... Yeah, but they've got to file their disclosures, though.
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, hold on here.
I don't know what CA Club India.
It says his net worth is 18 million.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
But I don't know which one's real.
I know that he's got to... You've got... Well, the Open Secrets was 2018, right?
vince dao
So... Right.
tim pool
It was a while ago.
vince dao
Could have changed, yeah.
tim pool
I mean, wow.
Being in government makes you a lot of money, apparently.
vince dao
Yeah.
tim pool
You know?
ian crossland
According to what is this?
WealthyPersons.com, 600k.
tim pool
Bob Menendez Googled how much is one kilo of gold worth around the time his wife accepted alleged bribes.
unidentified
Wow.
I google that probably once a week to check on the price.
tim pool
And you guys know that his daughter is an MSNBC host.
What if he barely knows about any of this?
vince dao
And it's all his wife?
tim pool
Imagine your wife getting... His daughter is a host on MSNBC, I'm pretty sure.
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Daughter... Do you guys know who gave the bribe?
Alleged bribe?
Does it say in the article?
phil labonte
It doesn't.
I don't think so.
unidentified
Bob Menendez's... Alicia?
tim pool
Let's see, yeah, Alicia.
Alicia Menendez, anchor for MSNBC.
unidentified
Shocking.
tim pool
Is she still, I think?
She has hosted, well, I'm pretty sure she does stuff for them, but, you know, is it any surprise to, like, it's one big happy family tree, everybody.
You know, this is what they do.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Granted, I'll say it again, like, innocent until proven guilty, you know what I mean?
I don't care for this.
Bob Menendez Googling how much is a kilo of gold worth doesn't prove that he took a bribe.
Like, for all we know, his wife bought gold and they were like, we're gonna get rid of this guy because he's not playing ball with us.
I don't trust Bob Menendez.
I mean, he's been accused of a lot of things before.
And so, I'm not giving... I mean, first of all, for the most part, Democrats ain't getting the benefit of the doubt from me.
vince dao
Well, that's the thing is the system is so corrupt these days that it shouldn't be like this, but the minute I see them go after someone.
Yeah, exactly.
The minute I see them go after someone, my first instinct isn't, okay, what did they do in terms of the crime?
It's why are they going after him, right?
And I think that's kind of a natural reaction we have in a lot of American life these days, you know?
tim pool
Let's talk about this.
I want to jump to this story from CNN.
Dallas mayor switches parties to join GOP, alright?
We just covered a story about a Democrat being accused of taking bribes, being corrupt, and I think for most of you who watch our show, you probably don't have a very favorable view of Democrats, nor the majority of the Republican Party.
But the Democrats I widely view as corrupt tribalists who are just career politicians who are trying to extract what they can from the system.
So here you have this guy.
This is Dallas Mayor Eric Johnson responding to questions during a news conference.
And there are two issues that are brought up because of this.
Let me read a little bit.
Dallas Mayor Eric Johnson announced Friday that he's switching parties and will serve as a Republican-affiliated mayor of the blue-leaning city.
While the Dallas mayoral office is nonpartisan, Johnson previously served as a Democrat in the Texas legislature.
He slammed his former party in an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal published Friday, blaming Democratic policies for exacerbated crime and homelessness.
The future of America's great urban centers depends on the willingness of the nation's mayors to champion law and order and practice fiscal conservatism.
Our cities desperately need the genuine commitment to these principles as opposed to the inconsistent poll-driven commitment of many Democrats that has long been a defining characteristic of the GOP.
So, to clarify, The mayoral position is not a partisan position, so they usually don't say, like, the mayor's affiliation.
But he is.
He was a Democrat.
He ran, you know, in this style, this affiliation.
Now he's saying he is going to be joining the GOP and will be Republican affiliated as mayor.
The question I have is, first, If someone is in a Democrat city as a high-level politician, and they're going to switch to the GOP, either they're saying, I'm retiring, or they believe this is their path to maintaining their position and serving their constituents.
This is a black mayor in a Democrat city saying he's going to vote Republican, and we have more polling coming out from the Wall Street Journal, published in the Wall Street Journal and several other outlets, showing that Trump is polling very, very well among black and Hispanic Americans.
I'm wondering if this is a component of this as well.
If this is another individual who is polled and is outright saying, no more Democrat, now a Republican.
phil labonte
I have a feeling that this is that.
The conditions at the border are a significant factor in why the Dallas mayor is switching sides.
I can't see, I can't imagine that the people of Texas who are the most immediately affected by the border crisis, I can't see them saying, oh, it's fine.
I can't see them saying, oh, it's no big deal.
These people that live in Texas, like they know, they have friends that are in the border region, stuff like that.
I mean, granted, Texas is a big state, but still like these people are living with it every day.
And you see videos all the time of caravans of people coming to the border.
I just read a piece that said 300.
There was a record that 300,000 people crossed the border or were detained or apprehended, maybe is the best word.
300,000 people in one month.
It's a record.
I mean, the federal government is totally Abdicated their responsibility of securing the border.
The clown administration that we have put Kamala Harris in charge and she hasn't done anything at all.
They tried to deal with the dude, what's his name?
Not Mendez.
He was just on Capitol Hill talking to Congress.
The head of Homeland Security, either way.
Talking to him, they're talking about impeaching him.
I think his name is Mayorkas?
Yeah, talking about impeaching him.
And I don't know if anything's been done, but he has not done his job.
tim pool
I think, here's how I see it.
There's that meme that I've brought up where it said, no one is trying to solve the problems.
They're trying to get rich enough to where the problems don't affect them.
And I'm like, that's a great motto for the modern Democratic Party.
vince dao
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Help us get rich enough so that your problems are no longer our problems.
Or like the problems affecting you won't affect us is a better way to put it.
vince dao
I wonder what this means for 2024 because obviously if you know anything about Texas and the reason why people are scared it's quote-unquote going blue is two major population growths.
It's in Austin and Dallas, right?
And so if you're starting to see like Tim said is a possibility which is he's actually maybe doing it for a political reason because he believes that the city of Dallas is going to become more right-wing I could see that translating to the rest of the country too, and I do think you're not going to see Democrats do as well in big cities as they did in 2020, because crime, homelessness, illegal immigration, all of it's adding up.
So I wonder if there's something of a new urban appeal for the Republican Party, not to obviously win a majority of any of these cities, but at least to crack You know, I'm sure the Democrats need a certain quota, that way they can outnumber the rural areas of a state like Texas, or Georgia, or even Michigan, up in the Midwest, states like that.
So, I wonder what it means for 2024.
Yeah.
I really do.
ian crossland
The toxic compassion route has failed them, that's for sure.
Right.
Bring as many people, unlimited, more, more, more, more people, more people, more people, and then all of a sudden you realize you're surrounded by homeless people that don't have food.
vince dao
And you know, it's interesting, I'm from Los Angeles.
You know, most of the family, friends, and stuff we grew up with are Democrat.
But, I'm noticing a very real trend in the people I knew growing up now trending I'd say more independent Maybe moderate maybe some even just have flat-out become Republicans because they're just seeing it's too expensive Crime, you know, it's it's dangerous homelessness everywhere.
We just can't do this anymore So like I said, I'm not gonna sell anyone here a delusion that oh my gosh Republicans are gonna suddenly flip LA or California But like I said in swing states where the big city is our problem I think a few points off of popularity for the Democrats could make the difference in one of these states, you know, in the presidential election.
ian crossland
I don't know if the immigration would be as heavy as it is without the internet.
I don't know if the internet's played a part in allowing this to happen or if it's just allowed us to see what's happening.
Because I think if this had happened without an internet, it would be happening without us knowing.
And then all of a sudden one day we'd wake up and there would be 60 million people from foreign countries in our country we wouldn't know and they'd already be here controlling things.
Now we can kind of see it in real time and adjust and maybe help prevent a catastrophe.
And I think people are willing to alter their political parties at the very least if they feel like that might make a difference.
vince dao
Or maybe just sit home.
You know, I think that's another issue.
You talk about black turnout.
I'm not, I don't think Republicans are going to come close to winning a majority of the black vote, but I think a lot of these people who they normally bust to the polls and all of that in the inner cities might just say, uh, I don't really care for this right now.
You know what I mean?
Um, so I, I think you could see that too, just a drop off in turnout of their base, even if it's not for us.
Right, right, right.
tim pool
I think that's actually what the polls, uh, show.
Yeah.
I should clarify.
There are, there are polls showing Conservatives are improving, but I think what you actually see when you look at the bigger picture is that... Disaffectedness.
Yeah, support for Democrats is way down, and support for Republicans, a little bit.
vince dao
Right.
tim pool
So there are some people who are like, I'm gonna vote for the other guy, but most people are just saying, I am not voting Democrat.
unidentified
There's no fuel.
There's no fuel.
Like, people didn't vote for Biden, they voted against Trump, right?
Right.
He's not the president right now.
The President's Biden, so if you're feeling like life sucks right now, you gotta look at President Biden and be like, he's not the guy.
Anybody but him.
So it may not be pro-Trump people, but they're just like, like you said, they might just stay home.
They might not go out and vote.
They're like, I can't vote for Trump, but I'm not voting for Biden.
vince dao
And think about all the people who, you probably know people like this, that say, if it's Trump versus Biden, I'm just gonna leave that blank.
That helps Trump, because Trump has a base in Biden less so.
tim pool
Trump not only has a base, but he has disaffected liberals.
There are a lot of people who don't like Trump who will vote for him, because Trump's personality issues and ego is nothing compared to Biden's failures with the economy, foreign policy failures.
Eastern European war.
These are all just apocalyptic failures for our president.
ian crossland
It's true.
I mean, it is possible that he and Hunter, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, got us into this war in the Middle East.
Obviously, Russia.
tim pool
You mean in Ukraine?
ian crossland
Yeah, I call it the Middle East.
It's near the Middle East.
It's all kind of one area.
You know, Turkey.
Is Turkey the Middle East?
It's right next to it.
tim pool
The Middle East of Europe.
ian crossland
Yeah.
And it's like, if Hunter went there and then got bribed to go on an energy board for Burisma, and then Biden just was like, yeah, let's make some money off this.
And then we got into a war.
Like, that's the most true.
Maybe not treason, but like, what, selling out the country for sending the country into a war to make profit?
tim pool
I think it would be treason.
But I guess treason is specifically providing aid to a foreign adversary in time of war?
phil labonte
I don't think that it's that personal.
When it comes to the war in Ukraine, I think that there's a whole apparatus that is interested in seeing Russia hurt.
Actually, just mostly Russia hurt.
I think the support from Ukraine comes from the United States saying, it is better for our foreign policy to have a weaker Russia.
So when Russia decided they wanted to attack Ukraine or invade Ukraine, The U.S.
said, we will help Ukraine.
We will keep feeding them arms.
And essentially, it's the same model that, you know, we used or the U.S.
used when there were the Russians were in Afghanistan.
unidentified
Right.
phil labonte
So you were feeding arms and ammunition and money to the Mujahideen and they were fighting Russians.
So that way, the Russians would feel the same pain that the U.S.
felt when the U.S.
was in Vietnam fighting the V.C.
And that was being funded by the Russians and the Chinese.
This is the kind of thing that happens or has happened regularly since the end of World War II because the Russians and the US and Russia can't get into an actual confrontation themselves because it'll likely turn into a nuclear war.
Military actions are horrible.
And you see, you know, war crimes are being posted on X every day.
I just saw one.
There's a dude trying to surrender to a drone and they keep dropping bombs on him because, well, he's the bad guy.
Well, that's a war crime.
If he's trying to surrender and they keep dropping hand grenades on him to kill him, that's a war crime.
And you see this stuff all the time.
And it's normal in these kind of, uh, well, it's normal in war and it's, it really does benefit the U.S.
Strategically, to have Russia engaged in a war and have Russia weakened by, you know, having a bunch of people die.
unidentified
It's gotten so dark, Phil, like I'll watch these videos and you see the people gathered around the tablet flying this drone and they're laughing because they're disconnected from the carnage and the chaos they're causing.
phil labonte
To be fair, though, if you if if someone invades the United States, All bets are off.
unidentified
Sure.
phil labonte
You know, if someone invades your country, like, war crimes are for, like, people that are in, like, the U.S., when they were in World War II, had to worry about war crimes when they were in France, right?
Nobody was looking at the French saying, you're committing war crimes because, you know, you're cutting Nazis' heads off or whatever.
Well, the Nazis invaded, you know, that's what happens.
And that's what tends to happen in war generally.
But it doesn't make it, you know, doesn't make it any less of a war crime.
vince dao
Well, here's the thing.
You say, you know, the U.S.
thinks it strategically helps us to be funding this war, whatever.
But I would kind of make a counter-argument to that, which is, in many ways, we pushed Russia and Ukraine into this spot.
You kind of look at the history of the Minsk Accords and stuff over the years.
You know, the United States has stepped in repeatedly and told Ukraine, don't negotiate with Russia.
You know, they kept fanning the flames of this.
But then, what has happened now is a consequence of that.
Is Russia now in the moment may look kind of stupid.
Hey, look, their invasion isn't going so well.
unidentified
Haha.
vince dao
But what's long term?
What's long term happening is Russia is being back now into the corner of China and you know, they're all together now and meeting and there's an alliance there.
It's obviously forming.
People say all that's inevitable because they're both authoritarians.
That's not true at all.
When you look at the history of Russia and China, there's a reason why they've actually been a little bit more isolated and Putin's been nervous about going into China's hands, even when they were both Communist right the Soviet Union and Mao's China didn't even get along And I think Putin's been in this position the past few decades where he's not sure do I want to be Western or Eastern tries to play both sides We could have potentially if not an ally at least neutralized a very strong threat in having Russia not on the side of China in isolating China, but instead what we've done through the whole course of basically in many ways I would argue inciting this war and definitely feeling the flames of it and
Maybe they want it.
Maybe they want it.
term we have a very powerful axis that we constructed ourselves and now we're
gonna have to fight at once and maybe they want it yeah maybe they want it
tim pool
they create they create a problem yeah that gives them a crisis that they can
use to exploit and implement new policies plan maybe dick but I'm gonna
ian crossland
just err on the side of stupidity over malice on this one I agree
I think that the argument that a weak Russia makes a strong U.S.
is flawed, and I would argue that with any defense contractor, anyone in the administration, anyone that wants to talk, because a weakened Russia becomes a desperate Russia, and a desperate Russia has nuclear weapons.
That's not good for American sovereignty.
phil labonte
A strong Russia has nuclear weapons too, though.
tim pool
Unless we're not concerned with their nuclear weapons for some reason.
ian crossland
Maybe, yeah, that's true.
And also, Russia seeks allies elsewhere, and that doesn't make a strong America.
phil labonte
This is a little bit of a non-sequitur.
I heard that Musk is contracting with the Feds to build Starshield or something, which is essentially the Iron Dome in the U.S.
Starshield?
I don't know if this is true.
It's a rumor that I heard, so I don't have any information on it.
tim pool
That was from a year ago.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
SpaceX unveils Starshield, a military variation of Starlink satellites.
ian crossland
Secure satellite networks.
unidentified
Digital Iron Dome.
phil labonte
Okay, so then this is just an internet system?
ian crossland
Oh, it's a security system.
Well, it says security.
Does that mean like laser defense?
phil labonte
Well, I imagine it could be if you've got multiple satellites that are... It's just Starlink for the government.
tim pool
Okay.
It's an isolated network so that it protects the government.
Star Shield.
ian crossland
Dude, defending your satellites.
I mean, in the near future, you have these things up there that can hit with bullets?
unidentified
Space Force!
phil labonte
I mean, the thing is, if you can get a constellation of satellites similar to Starlink, then you can identify You know, missiles that are being shot from anywhere in the world.
You can pick them up as they're getting off the ground.
And the idea is, hopefully, you can shoot them down before they get over the U.S.
I mean, they have big lasers that they put in C-5As that can shoot down missiles.
And so, if you can get them before they actually try to deliver their MIRVs or whatever, that might be part of it.
tim pool
And low-orbit satellite is the vehicle for these laser interception systems?
But how would they collect and store enough power?
Even with satellite, to store enough power for a directed energy weapon, it's insane.
It's going to be like years of charging up.
phil labonte
They can't even hold it.
I imagine that they're just to identify and notify the U.S.
that there is some kind of something going on.
And then ground level?
Yeah, when it takes off.
And then, like I said, you put a C5 in the air with a big chemical laser in it and they, you know, because you can scramble, if it's got 30 minutes, you can scramble a C5 in 10 if you have them on standby.
tim pool
Get them in the air and get them before they're I kind of feel like they'd probably just go the traditional Iron Dome or THAAD method, which is launching rockets at rockets.
phil labonte
Should be, or could be, yeah.
tim pool
I mean, maybe lasers are the last resort, but the range on them is not going to be strong enough.
ian crossland
The range on the lasers?
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, by the time there's enough power in the laser, at least based on what we understand, The nuke is already in a very damaging radius of whatever the target is.
But if they have these laser systems, you know, strategically placed far outside of civilian or military areas, okay then, perhaps.
But if we're talking about a MIRV from Russia, which is going to be in the stratosphere, I don't know, man.
Send a plane to intercept it and hope that the laser mounted on, you know... That's what I think it is.
phil labonte
I know that they do, they have tested Lasers on you know mounted in big cargo planes because they're they're massive and they take up a lot of space and their chem their chemical lasers if I understand correctly But again, I'm not an expert at all.
So this is this is me relating what I've read So but you know, I imagine that that would make you know, Russia less of a threat but I still don't think that I wouldn't trust it anyway.
vince dao
Lord, we're three, you're gonna count on your survival?
Hey, the government built some lasers, I don't think it would happen.
tim pool
Hosted payloads.
It says, on its website, SpaceX says Starshield will have an initial focus on three areas, imagery, communications, and, quote, hosted payloads, a third of which effectively offers government customers the company's satellite bus, the body of the spacecraft, as a flexible platform.
What does that mean?
Like it's going to carry something?
unidentified
Posted payload sounds like a virus that they're going to send.
phil labonte
A payload is usually some kind of weapon.
If you're talking about the payload on a nuclear weapon, the warhead would be the payload.
I don't know exactly what.
tim pool
Hey look, if the US goes full low orbit ion cannon, I'm not complaining.
vince dao
This does remind me a lot.
tim pool
I actually am, but it's funny.
vince dao
This does remind me a lot of the Star Wars stuff in the 1980s, so I wonder if this is actually a serious idea or just, you know, bluffing like it was in the 80s, obviously, with Reagan.
He had some, for people who are not familiar, he had some plan, some crazy plan with lasers, whatever it is.
ian crossland
They called it Star Wars as a joke.
vince dao
Yeah, to shoot down Russian nukes and the whole thing was bluff, but the point of it, I guess, intuitively was... What?
phil labonte
I thought it was just that they didn't have the technology at the time.
vince dao
Well, I think part of the reason they talked it up that way was because they wanted to get the Soviet Union to, you know, run up their military budget and basically blow up, yeah.
ian crossland
Now they have hypersonic.
vince dao
Economically.
ian crossland
The hypersonic weaponry, I don't know enough about it to make claims.
tim pool
It's actually slower.
ian crossland
It's slower than regular and econo?
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Oh, why is it touted as indefensible then?
They're like, you can't shoot down our hypersonic stuff.
phil labonte
Because they're talking about missiles, whereas an ICBM actually goes into orbit, and to get into orbit, it's 20,000 miles an hour, is how fast you have to go, something like that, to break Earth orbit.
Whereas hypersonic would be, you know, what's the speed of sound?
Oh, yeah.
750 miles an hour.
tim pool
It's fine.
I think they travel five times speed of sound.
It has something to do with hypersonic missiles travel low, closer to the earth and are harder to track and respond to.
So with ICBMs, they go up, they go high, they go fast.
But the higher it goes with the curvature of the earth, the more the more range we have for detecting them, whereas hypersonics are low and slow.
phil labonte
The escape velocity of Earth is 33 times the speed of sound.
So a hypersonic missile is actually significantly slower than an ICBM.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
But yeah, hypersonic missiles.
So this is, check it out.
Here you go.
Yep.
This is from a couple of days ago.
This is amazing.
Hypersonic missile weapons are super fast.
So you can see ballistic missiles, hypersonic and cruise.
Hypersonic stays low and is outside radar detection.
Before, and then it's too late.
ian crossland
Yeah, this says the U.S.
Navy is developing directed energy systems as a potential defense against hypersonic.
unidentified
It's a cool graphic.
ian crossland
And that's military, military aerospace dot com talks about the Navy's laser weapon defense.
And if they're talking about laser weapon defense openly, then they've probably got some nasty laser weapon defense.
Unless it's like a Star Wars bluff, like you were saying earlier.
tim pool
This is basically what my point was, you can see right here in the graphic.
The graphic that I watched a while ago about this shows the curvature of the Earth and explains why radar detection is limited, and it's because as the Earth curves, the radar goes out.
And so there's certain areas where you're not going to see anything at the ground level and the hypersonics track closer to the ground and then slam to the target before you realize it.
phil labonte
The Boeing YAL-1 airborne laser tested weapon system was a megawatt class chemical oxygen iodine laser mounted inside a modified military Boeing 747-400F.
It was designed as a missile defense system to destroy tactical ballistic missiles while in boost phase.
I don't know if it's actually...
I don't know that it's being used.
It's tested.
tim pool
So apparently these hypersonics go 20 times the speed of sound.
So maybe... Oh snap.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Something could break.
tim pool
Anywhere on the earth in a matter of hours.
Yeah.
In less than an hour.
Holy crap.
In less than one hour.
unidentified
Man.
ian crossland
That's wild.
tim pool
You know, one day there's gonna be like some prominent personality who's leading the charge against war or something, and then before anyone even realizes it, there's gonna be a crater where his house used to be.
And it's gonna be like, we have no idea what happened.
No one can see it.
phil labonte
I mean, look, Russia, it's pretty clear that Russia shot down that Prigozny guy.
They shot down his plane.
So I imagine that kind of technology in the hands of a regime like Russia or some other
less than democratic regime would do just that, smoke someone that is irritating them
unidentified
without a 16-year-old and a restaurant.
tim pool
But what if Starshield is actually radar detection from space to track hypersonics?
phil labonte
That's what I imagine.
tim pool
So take a look at this, right?
They're showing right here in this graphic that the signal, the wave, is coming from the ground and going up and the radar can't detect beyond this angle.
What if you had a radar from space?
Then you'd have the inverse, then it would be able to see everything happening.
unidentified
Like a spider web, anything that comes in, you can pinpoint it with thousands of satellites up there, you know exactly where it is.
tim pool
Now you've got space radar, in which case it's hypersonic, you can track.
I like how the cruise missile just doesn't make it anywhere.
It's just like, 14 minutes it barely moves.
unidentified
When was the cruise missile invented?
How long ago was that?
phil labonte
Oh goodness, I don't know.
tim pool
I wonder.
I wonder if that was, uh, that's probably still after, uh, rocketry.
phil labonte
I mean, V2 and stuff.
70s, I imagine.
Because they were using cruise missiles.
Cruise missiles were the first thing I remember seeing when, in the first Iraq war.
I was 15 years old and, like, they'd started Shoving cruise missiles down Saddam Hussein's neck and and it was it was impressive, you know as a kid be like, whoa That's actually yeah, you know the missile that Trump dropped while he was president the mother of all Moab It was that a cruise missile.
No, that's a that is a gravity bomb.
Okay, they call it.
It's a thermobaric bomb.
So it actually When it hits the ground or when it detonates first, it shoots out a bunch of gas that blows up.
unidentified
Oh, interesting.
phil labonte
So it ignites the gas.
ian crossland
It looks like the first cruise missile was invented during World War I by the Americans, but it wasn't used.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
And during the interwar period, not many people were working on it, but Germany went hard on the rockets.
phil labonte
And I couldn't be wrong about the way that it works.
I could be thinking of a different thing.
Sure.
I know the MOAB is big.
It's the biggest munition that is not a nuclear weapon.
ian crossland
And to clarify, a cruise missile specifically is a missile that's supposed to hit a target on land.
That's the point of it.
unidentified
That's why they call it a cruise missile, I guess.
phil labonte
The V2.
tim pool
The Vengeance weapon.
ian crossland
The Vengeance?
V stands for Vengeance?
The V2 rocket?
unidentified
It's the... Vergeltungswapp.
The V2s were the ones where the British pilots had to like tip them out of the way, right?
Am I getting that one right?
ian crossland
It was a Nazi rocket.
unidentified
I know that, yeah, because they weren't that fast, but it was a completely new technology.
phil labonte
Hmm, until now.
ian crossland
You mean like with their plane?
unidentified
So they have to fly alongside it and then you tip it with your wing and it's just enough to veer it out off its course.
vince dao
Yeah, it wasn't really that effective from what I hear.
unidentified
They just had a lot of them and no one else did.
ian crossland
They poured their research and development into the VTube program.
vince dao
That was part of Hitler's problem, is he always wanted to focus on very sci-fi-esque, at the time, futuristic ideas instead of what was practical, and this was one of them.
It didn't do the damage to London and England that was worth all the money they put into it.
ian crossland
Yeah, they want to just rocket England all day, every day, and then the nukes got invented.
unidentified
So everyone's saying V-1 is the missile that I'm talking about.
It's the predecessor to the V-2.
It's the one the British would just tip out of the way with their own planes.
vince dao
I think the V-3 then was the giant gun, right?
The giant cannon that went for several miles.
And like I said, it's a Scythe.
Oh wow, it's a giant gun.
phil labonte
Are you talking about the one that was on a rail?
vince dao
Yeah.
Yeah.
And didn't they just blow it up or whatever?
You can just bomb it.
ian crossland
The V3 cannon, the German super gun.
unidentified
I've never heard of it either.
phil labonte
They had this big cannon that was ridiculously big.
It had to be moved on rail and it was not practical.
I mean, anything that has to be, like, on rail to move, that's completely impractical.
vince dao
And it's easy to bomb.
It's easy to destroy.
ian crossland
Yeah, before, like, World War I, when they just had hot air balloons and stuff, they were extremely effective.
Artillery on rail, but now, with air support, they're just targets.
I mean, not just targets, but they're easily targetable from space.
And, you know, I talk with a lot of confidence about military tech.
I'm not a military guy, I just want to put that out there.
Defer to anyone with combat experience or that's an expert on the weaponry.
Because I love hearing about this stuff.
tim pool
It's crazy.
It's crazy. I survived the Meem War.
2,754 civilians killed in London by V2 attacks and 6,523 injured.
vince dao
But see, that's not really a lot when you consider the total death during the war and the amount of money that
went into that versus the return.
unidentified
Two people per rocket.
tim pool
Right, that's not a really good investment at all.
They'd be better off putting rocks on blimps and just having the rocks fall.
phil labonte
I mean, you're right when we say that.
tim pool
Japan did this with bombs.
phil labonte
Yeah, if you think about think about the the amount of money that was spent in Iraq like every time that they shot a hellfire at like a goat herder, you know, you because they did because it would just be some random dude that got paid, you know, whatever a hundred bucks or whatever to go up on the hill and with his old 1910.
Springfield rifle or whatever, take a couple pot shots at the base, because the point is to just harass the Americans, and the Americans' reply was, call in the helicopters, and they just started lighting up the whole hillside.
vince dao
Oh, these are those, uh... The Fugo bombs.
Yeah, they... yeah.
tim pool
This is crazy.
Japan would send up balloons carrying bombs that would ride the jet stream for thousands of miles, and then eventually drop the bombs on the United States in random locations.
vince dao
Most of them just hit fields though.
That's a problem with trying to do that to the U.S.
especially.
It's such a spread out country.
unidentified
Sounds like China was able to do it again.
They found a way to get a balloon over us.
tim pool
Man, that's crazy.
And I remember when I was little, I watched a documentary about it, and it was like, it had this system where if it started to go too low, the pressure in the balloon would be going down, and then it would cause a bag to drop, which would then make it go back up, where the pressure would expand, and then as it started to go back down, it would drop another, go back up.
Yeah, and they timed it through these mechanisms to drop once it traveled a certain amount of, you know, time to hit the United States.
Yeah, I watched some video apparently like some kids found a bomb and hit it with a rock and it blew up and killed them or something.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Well, I mean, like, you're running through the woods and you find an explosive device.
Kids are stupid.
ian crossland
That's the sad part about what's happening in Ukraine now, too.
I imagine the mine, they're mining the fuel.
It's just, not only depleted uranium rounds underground, they're just irradiating the soil, but like, Just the landmines and stuff that have been left over.
unidentified
Drones.
Drones that go rogue, that fly off, and they're like, I don't know where it went.
You know, we didn't see it explode, it's just gone, we don't know where it went.
A kid's gonna find that drone, you know?
Like, people are gonna find it, they're gonna stumble across it.
tim pool
Oh, here we go, look at this.
May 5th, 1945, six civilians were killed near Bly, Oregon, when they discovered one of the balloon bombs in Fremont National Forest, becoming the only fatalities from Axis action in the continental US during the war.
vince dao
That's what I was gonna say, I think it only hit people once.
Or I guess they didn't even hit them, they found it.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
This must have been the story.
It's, uh, Reverend Archie Mitchell and his pregnant wife drove up Gearhart Mountain today with five of their Sunday school students in a picnic when Archie was parking the car, Elsie, and the children discovered a balloon and carriage loaded with an anti-personnel bomb on the ground.
A large explosion occurred.
The four boys...
were killed instantly, while Elsie and Joan Patsky died from their wounds shortly after.
An army investigation concluded that the bomb had likely been kicked or dropped, and that it had lain undisturbed for about one month before the incident.
So that's what it was.
That must have been what I had been watching.
So they kicked it, I guess the assumption was.
The kids ran up to it, and they're like, hey, look, an explosive, and they kicked it, and then it blew up.
And people gotta understand, too, there are undetonated bombs in Southeast Asia.
Oh boy, be careful.
There's a lot of places.
I had a friend who went to Cambodia and was working with these, I don't remember the exact story, but he was talking about how there are landmines everywhere, and to navigate these fields, there are footsteps, and you're jumping from footstep to footstep in the dirt, because you know that's the only place, that's the only way you know that you're safe and you won't blow up.
And I was talking about going.
I was like, yeah, we were thinking of going because there are these people who are doing, uh, what they do is they release goats into these fields and then the goats explode.
And so I was like, that's a crazy story.
And I'd want to cover that.
And my friend was like, don't do it.
He was like, the scariest, most stressful, disturbing thing in my life was traversing these fields.
You don't want to do it, trust me.
And we ended up not doing it, but that's the general idea.
However, the tank buster mines require the weight of a vehicle to detonate, and so those are a lot harder to trigger, and they're huge.
But for the smaller landmines, they just will get a bunch of goats and, fields all yours, and then boom, boom, boom, the goats are exploding.
Crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Rough.
tim pool
Yeah, they do another thing now where they have these big, they take a big ball and there's a bunch of bamboo sticks coming out with plates on the bottom.
So it looks like, remember those suction cup balls?
You'd throw it at the wall and then it would suction cup its way down?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, they look like that.
And the wind blows them around and they just blow up as they bounce around on landmines.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Because they're pretty heavy.
Yeah, and then they just get damaged and keep going until eventually they fall apart.
ian crossland
I'm thinking that you could maybe vibrate the soil and trigger them all at once if you could somehow set up, like Tesla was working on sending electrical current through the ground.
tim pool
They're mechanical.
I mean, you're not, I would say you're on the right track.
You would need to heat them up substantially and detonate them somehow.
I wouldn't know how to do that.
Maybe a plane flying not too high up, just doing a laser sweep or something like that.
ian crossland
Or like stick metal poles in the ground all over the place and then send a low frequency through or just tweak the frequency Until you hit the trigger.
tim pool
Yes, if you can navigate a field to stick holes in the ground that are covered in landmines.
ian crossland
How big is it, you know?
How much space do you need to trigger?
phil labonte
Explosives.
tim pool
I'm telling you, dude.
ian crossland
Just more explosives.
tim pool
You will not convince someone to invest in any of this technology when they can send goats into a field.
I'm sorry, dude.
They're going to be like, we got too many goats already.
Send them in.
Yeah, but I mean for the region it's goats.
And then the goats just blow up.
ian crossland
Or like a strategic defense from above where you can use LIDAR to map the ground and see where they are and then hit them with lasers.
phil labonte
I mean, I suppose so, but you're talking about expensive and high tech and stuff.
It's easier to...
Shove goats.
tim pool
You're going to go to the government and say, we can spend $2 million on LIDAR.
ian crossland
If it was in Ohio, maybe they'd listen.
tim pool
We got $2 million for LIDAR or $10,000 for a bunch of goats.
They're going to be like, just do the goats.
ian crossland
Can I eat the goats when it's done?
tim pool
You're not going to want to pick those things up.
phil labonte
You can't.
I mean, what if they missed a mine?
You don't go into minefields.
Minefields are like, there's a significant argument against mines.
Like, they get left behind, they end up maiming kids.
You saw it through all kinds of mines that were left behind after Vietnam and stuff like that.
You know, ruins entire regions, and you have massive amounts of death and dismembered people and stuff, and it sucks.
But, what do you do when you've got tanks coming at you, you know?
Like, there's only so many things that can stop a tank.
You know, if you can knock the treads off a tank with a mine, then the tank's vulnerable, they have to get out of the tank, then you can shoot the guys that are in the tank.
If you can't stop the tanks, tanks are gonna smoke you and your buddies.
So, you deal with what you got, you know?
You have to put mines out to stop them, you put mines out to stop them because, again, war is awful.
War crimes are only war crimes if you are the loser.
tim pool
Yeah, but you know, I guess the issue today is you don't need tanks if you can convince.
So while propaganda has been a key component of war for the past hundred plus years, propaganda nowadays is, it's a million times where we were a hundred years ago.
You take a look at, say, a nuclear weapon, a MIRV, 12 warheads, 1,250 times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
You take a look at the explosive power, And then go back in time to the origin of the first, you know, the first time someone ever discovered combustion or combustible materials.
And it's, it's, it's, what, a thousand plus years or whatever.
ian crossland
It's like the Chinese, yeah, 200 AD or something.
tim pool
Right, they were doing, it was fireworks.
ian crossland
Fireworks it started with.
tim pool
Yeah, and I forgot, I forgot what they were, they were doing something impractical with them.
They had little rockets they would use to scare people or something.
Because they would, like, fly at you.
And then, uh, It took a thousand years to get to the point where we could just blow up an entire city with one bomb.
You take a look at propaganda and we'd have to drop pamphlets from planes, and in a hundred years we can beam our thoughts into your brain no matter where you are.
China has a massive apparatus for manipulating the American public in TikTok.
ian crossland
For the record, it was 1044 AD when gunpowder was invented in China.
tim pool
What was it for, did they say?
vince dao
Wasn't it for Friar Crackers, just to celebrate?
ian crossland
No, but I think it was invented by accident.
They were trying to make an elixir of immortality.
This is according to Chinese sources.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Well, most discoveries are first known in since 850.
They're discoveries because it was an accident.
vince dao
So that's like the moonshine thing, where they're making moonshine and then they blow up, you know, that kind of cliche.
I guess it started in China.
They were trying to live forever.
tim pool
So it's 808 AD.
Was the first reference to 808?
Yeah, that's what it says on Wikipedia.
ian crossland
Yeah, in the Warring States period, they had rifles.
They weren't very good.
tim pool
Archers were actually more powerful.
Flying Cloud Thunderclap Eruptor.
vince dao
Hmm.
tim pool
So, right, I think it was, yeah, they were shooting stuff out of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
I read something that, like, the initial stuff they did was just, like, shock and awe.
They didn't really have, like, a good way to weaponize it.
ian crossland
Yeah, you scare the horses.
That's a big thing.
vince dao
Yeah.
ian crossland
And elephants, if you have to fight those.
tim pool
Sulfur, realgar, saltpeter, and honey.
Smoke and flames result so that the hands and faces have been burnt, and even the whole house where they have been working burned down.
phil labonte
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, that's crazy.
And the Chinese invented the compass 1,000 years before Europeans did.
Crazy, right?
ian crossland
Nice.
tim pool
They were doing all sorts of crazy stuff over there.
ian crossland
I love those Chinese, man.
phil labonte
They didn't really capitalize on the potential, though.
vince dao
Well, you know, that's what's interesting about, as an Asian I can say this, okay?
About Asian culture is that very smart, yes, but not a lot of creativity.
And that's why even today you see throughout also a lot of history, right?
Chinese invented gunpowder, weren't using it practically, who started using it in a... Because you had to think outside the box, you've never seen this before, right?
And there's a very Asian culture of, you know, sort of this submissive, hey, follow the strict line, you know, do this, do that, but not a lot of creativity.
And I think you see this...
Even in China for school, if you want to come to American school or whatever.
Like, they'll just train you your whole life to take the SAT and you'll probably get a perfect score.
But then, what after that?
What happens when you have to be, say, an engineer and you have to actually think creatively, right?
And it's something lacking in a lot of Asian culture.
tim pool
I love that for a thousand years they have gunpowder.
These Southeast Asians, Chinese, are like, look at this stuff we made!
Look what happens when you light it!
Like, whoa!
And then the Europeans, like...
I could kill a lot of people with that.
And then they were all like, wait, what?
To be fair, the idea of killing people with it did come from China.
I don't want to take that away from them.
They have their, their, whatever it's called, the, was it Huolongjing?
ian crossland
What's that?
tim pool
It's the Chinese military treaty.
What is this?
Oh, this is a flying cloud thunderclap eruptor.
It looks like a gun.
It looks like they loaded it with powder.
They put a hole in it.
Man, that's crazy.
unidentified
Cannon, like a shotgun.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like a cannon shotgun.
ian crossland
And it just shoots like metal and rocks and stuff.
They would just use, yeah, just ballista.
unidentified
I think George Washington used to do that because they didn't, they're running low on munitions.
So they just shove whatever they could find into the cannons and just Blast them.
So you're getting hit with rocks, sticks, pieces of metal, ba-boot.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, it is really crazy when you think about- That's like the railway rifle in Fallout.
All of the stupid stuff that we know from video games and movies would make you a warlord god, like demigod, in 2000 years ago or 1000 years ago.
You'd show up and be like, oh yeah, I know how to, you know, start a fire, I know how to, like, you know, give me some bat crap and we'll start making some gunpowder and they'll be like, making what?
ian crossland
And then you'll- Here, eat this mold and you'll feel better.
They're like, what are you talking about?
tim pool
See that red rock right there?
See that red rock over there?
Yeah?
unidentified
Melt it.
tim pool
What do you mean, melt it?
Just light it on fire.
Let's roll, and then it's like...
Like, I have no idea how to make steel, but I know it exists.
Which means I could go to them and be like, you need to like get carbon and iron
and start doing something.
And that is an advancement leaps and bounds above how long it took them.
Like if, just the fact that I can tell them like, oh, you need like bat crap, you know.
Just like, we know little bits here and there that took humans thousands,
tens of thousands of years to figure out.
And we just like watched a movie once and we have fragments of that information.
That if you went back in time and said, look man, I have no idea how to make gunpowder,
but I saw something about bat crap once.
You've just jumped someone up 10 years, 20 years.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
Sulfur, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
What's in the bat crap?
unidentified
It begins with a G?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Bat crap is guano.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
It's potassium... something.
ian crossland
Potassium.
phil labonte
I'm not sure what it is.
ian crossland
You mix bat crap with... We should know this because Saltpeter and...
unidentified
There was a manufacturing... That's crazy.
The caves in West Virginia were used to manufacture munitions for the Confederate Army.
tim pool
Bird guano.
unidentified
Because they had a bunch of bat crap, yeah.
ian crossland
Potassium nitrate, and then charcoal and sulfur.
tim pool
Right, that's what it is.
Yeah, so bird apparently works too.
We got a bunch of chickens out there!
Could you make gunpowder from chicken crap?
ian crossland
It smells like it.
tim pool
It smells worse than that, dude.
ian crossland
You can smell that sulfur coming off of it.
Yeah.
I don't know, I guess you need to get the potassium nitrate.
tim pool
But anyway, my point is, to stress, not that I know how to make gunpowder or anything like that, just that we've got a whole bunch of cursory knowledge, like even, just the fact that we know things exist.
You go to something like, hey, you can make a thing called a compass, where it's like, I don't know how they made it, but it was a piece of metal, and it was on a pin, and it pointed, had an N in one area, and then it would always point north, and then someone's gonna figure it out very, very quickly, relative to how long it took humans to actually figure it out.
Granted, you probably wouldn't be able to communicate effectively with them.
You'd say, bat crap, and they'd be like, I have no idea what he just said.
They would hear you say gobbledygook.
vince dao
They'd probably just kill you before you got a chance.
tim pool
Oh, no, for sure.
They'd be like, strangely dressed person.
Like, if you go back 2,000 years and you show up, like, the first thing that happens is they're pointing spears at you, screaming at you in a language you don't understand, and then they're just like, you're a slave.
phil labonte
I'm only going if I can bring a gun.
That's it.
tim pool
Well, have you seen you've seen it was Evil Dead or was it Army of Darkness?
Which one was it?
phil labonte
My boomstick.
tim pool
Yeah, he goes back in time with the shotgun.
phil labonte
This is my boomstick.
unidentified
The first one you prime me and it even touches me.
phil labonte
God, what a great movie.
ian crossland
How many shells did he have?
I would love to talk about Evil Dead to be honest.
unidentified
That's awesome.
phil labonte
It's a great movie, man.
ian crossland
I think that the heroes of Atlantis had the compass, my guess.
I don't want to take the show into conspiracy town, but I don't see how they could have circumnavigated the globe with the Earth on Atlas' back without the compass.
The way that they seem to have colonized Earth.
So, the importance of preserving data, because like we're saying, we have the data if we could go back in time, but they might have had it back then.
It's the key is to be able to preserve it, probably in orbit, in case a comet wipes out the surface in glass or something in orbit, or in DNA.
You can store data in DNA.
All right, that's my derailment for the night.
tim pool
Apparently people were saying online, I just did a quick search, that you can use, they call it chicken manure for gunpowder too.
phil labonte
So if you got chickens, but the bat... Tim knew this, that's why there's chicken city outside.
tim pool
I have no idea how to extract salt, Peter, from any of this stuff.
You need like alcohol or something?
phil labonte
You need potassium nitrate, sulfur, and charcoal.
tim pool
But to get the potassium nitrate isolated, you need alcohol or something like that.
I don't know.
And like, I don't even know how to make alcohol.
Apparently it's like, you get like wood alcohol or something.
I don't know how to do this.
vince dao
You talk about going back.
It's crazy that people figure this out.
Hey, let's take bat crap.
tim pool
No, no, but that's not how it is.
It's not how it is.
So like bread, for instance.
Like, how does bread come to exist?
Some, like, people are milling about, nomadic, hungry, they see wheat, and they see horses eating the tops, and they're like, hey look, and they pull out, and they're like, hey, I can eat this!
They start grabbing a whole bunch of it, bring it back home, and then they have a big, they're like, hey, this stuff's hard, you can't eat it.
So they pull the, you know, the wheat groats out, put it in a big bowl, and they start eating them.
Then eventually, someone like, hey, I'm gonna Heat mine up cuz you know, I don't like it cold and we cook like humans figure out cooking then they heat it up Then someone adds water to it.
Then someone mashes it It's just slowly over time and the first bread is just like mashed grain They put water in it, then it made like a hard flat bread and then eventually somebody let there sit out on accident It's just always one step at a time yeast contamination right into the flower somebody Probably was like, oh, grandpa has no teeth.
He can't eat this.
Let's break it up for him.
So they mash it.
No, for real, though.
They mash it up.
Then they put water in it and heat it.
And they're like, here you go.
And he's eating warm, warm dough paste.
And then someone was like, let's get it real hot.
And then they saw what happened to it.
And they're like, look.
And then they're like, well, now grandpa can't eat it again because now it's hard.
And they're like, whoa.
But then someone ate it like, hey, I like this.
Then someone made the dough, left it out.
Yeast contamination.
It got really big.
And they were like, whoa.
And then they cooked it.
And they were like, oh, like, you know, it's just penicillin was also found on accident.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, of course.
Look, that's why it's called discovery, when it's discovered, and not invention.
You know what I mean?
Or, I mean, often it is called an invention, but typically it's discovery.
We are discovering it.
It exists, and we stumble upon it.
ian crossland
Like Ben Franklin discovered electricity.
unidentified
Did he really discover it?
ian crossland
He rediscovered it.
I don't know if he discovered it.
I think Zeus had it, if he could shoot lightning out of it.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure people had already been using it.
ian crossland
I don't know that he actually... For sure, the Baghdad battery produced electricity.
It's a clay pot filled with vinegar with an iron rod in it, wrapped with a copper wire.
And then you can chain these pots together and create electrical charge.
That's like 3,000 year old technology at the least.
tim pool
I mean, I gotta be honest, hearing this story about his kite experiment in 1752 just sounds insane.
1750- 1752 just sounds insane.
ian crossland
Dude, this man.
This guy, Ben Fr- This is his country, man.
This country was formed in this guy's belief structure.
This is the guy that inceptualized the United States of America.
unidentified
Maybe he had fear on someone, and they're like, alright, we'll let you say that you discovered electricity.
phil labonte
I kind of feel like Madison did that, because he's kind of the guy that's like the father of the Constitution.
He wrote the Constitution.
ian crossland
I hand it to Ben because he came before everybody for 30 years and primed everybody for it.
tim pool
So this is it.
He did not discover electricity.
He was trying to prove that lightning was electricity.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so they could figure out a way to stop lightning strikes on houses, so they created lightning rods, which would then focus the lightning strikes away from the wood and would stop blowing up houses.
ian crossland
And, but harnessing it, that came later?
tim pool
Harnessing it?
phil labonte
What do you mean?
unidentified
They still can't, I don't think so.
ian crossland
Well, no, harnessing electricity, I mean, not lightning, just electricity itself when they started making, like, gas power plants.
tim pool
I think they had always, I think for a long time there had been a general understanding, but I think people underestimate, you know, humans.
I have to look it up.
But I'm pretty sure there was some minor use for a long time.
I mean, if you go back to the Baghdad battery, what is- what was- what was the, uh, what's the assumption that they were doing electroplating?
phil labonte
I think so.
tim pool
What's a bunch of clay pots?
ian crossland
Yeah, clay pots.
You fill them up with vinegar or something acidic.
So vinegar, wine, you could use lemon juice.
tim pool
And they would put copper wires in it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it'd be an iron rod sticking around the middle of the pot wrapped with copper wire, and that would produce an electrical charge on its own.
tim pool
Aliens.
Because I gotta say, I can understand inventing bread, but I can't understand how someone accidentally makes a battery.
Like, a battery like the Baghdad battery sounds like someone knew what a battery was and said, Like, I'm trapped here in the desert with little supplies.
I need to make some kind of battery.
ian crossland
It's possible they had a cup, like a clay drinking vessel, and they were drinking wine, and they shocked themselves.
Like, maybe there was copper in it, and they got a shock.
vince dao
I think ancient civilizations were a lot more advanced than people realize.
Some of them forgotten, lost, whatever.
tim pool
I agree.
vince dao
A lot of knowledge has been lost, yeah.
tim pool
I think that it's funny when people talk about like the moon landing and they're like, we have Alex Stein on the show and he's like, how did we lose the technology, Ted?
I'm like, we lost tons of technology.
Like the one reference I have to bring up is that we couldn't build skyscrapers above like eight floors or whatever when we started expanding and building upward because the heat would build up too much and we couldn't exhaust it fast enough.
And then the air conditioner got invented, and now it's like, now we can.
But the crazy thing is, there were, there were, uh, like, Native African tribes that had built their, their, uh, Hudson structures to funnel heat up and out to keep the inside cool when it was hot outside.
And it's like, that technology existed over there, and not over here.
Now, when we build buildings, they create, like, tunnels that will pull, cause, uh, the hot air's gonna go up.
So they actually create a system where it pulls cold air from the ground and vents the hot air up through the roof so it reduces energy costs for building skyscrapers.
But we forgot that?
Not to mention the Romans had concrete that could set underwater.
And that's always the big one everyone references.
Tons of technology has been lost.
ian crossland
I think that information is way more valuable than people realize.
Uh, yes!
We've had such access to it as Americans with libraries and internet now, but like, you lose it once, it's gone.
Like, you might have a generation of memory.
tim pool
Bro, they had to- Humans, but- Like, this is the crazy thing.
They had to invent the idea of freedom.
Like, so, no but for real, like, certain ideas don't exist in certain cultures and certain languages.
There's, um, there was like, I was reading a thing a while ago about words that have complex meanings in certain cultures that don't translate very well.
So in like one African culture they have a word, they have a single word for The feeling you get when you are longing for someone but you are watching them long for someone else and you know you'll never have them.
They have like a single word to explain that idea.
And it's like for us, we just, I don't know, what do you call it, getting cucked?
I don't know.
Heartbreak.
We kind of have a meme for it.
ian crossland
Covetousness.
tim pool
And then in France they have the phrase, the call of the void.
And it's a reference to when you're looking down from a great height and you feel a desire to jump.
They just call it the Call of the Void.
phil labonte
It's so weird.
tim pool
I don't know if they actually... I just read that in a magazine thing.
ian crossland
What is that, a vacuum pulling you towards it or something?
phil labonte
No, it's just like... Call of the Void.
unidentified
The way that I heard it described is like you're driving on a highway and you have that instinct to just jerk the steering wheel.
ian crossland
I'll feel it on the stomach.
I've never heard that.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
unidentified
That's the one that I read.
That's the way they described it.
What?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I've had the like looking down from a great height and being like wow you feel like you can just feel the jump.
ian crossland
It might be wind pulling you because I'll feel it on the subway track when a subway car goes flying by I'll feel pulled towards it.
tim pool
That's something different.
phil labonte
That's all in your head.
tim pool
The call of the void is a reference to something specific.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
That people want to jump from, from like, I'm not saying jump to your death.
It's like, it's, it's like to just jump down under the assumption that you're okay, you're fine.
So it's usually like you jump off a few feet and you walk away, but from great heights, you can't tell how high it is.
I had a friend who broke her leg jumping off second story of a building because she didn't realize how high it was.
And it's like, there was no intent to hurt yourself.
ian crossland
If you ever need to get out of the second story, do you hang?
And then you drop.
tim pool
Here's the crazy, here's the crazy thing about language.
How do you, you know, I remember the first time someone told me,
oh, this word can't be translated, I don't know how to translate it.
And I'm like, how do you not know how to translate a word?
It's because the idea in your mind doesn't have words in another language.
ian crossland
I think they don't have the word for love in North Korea.
phil labonte
There's no word for snow in, uh, in the, whatever, the Hawaiian languages.
vince dao
You know, it's crazy to think about is not just the words, but how you perceive the world based on language, right?
So someone who speaks, someone can come into this country, for instance,
and learn English, but if they think in the world and some like non,
even Western language, they perceive it existing on earth in a totally different way than we do.
unidentified
There are different people, like personalities change.
People are like, I have heard when someone speaks Spanish, they're like, you're a certain way when you speak Spanish, but when you speak English, you're a completely different way.
tim pool
So the main reason I brought all this up is...
The, a lot of philosophical ideas that we take for granted, heck, the idea of zero as a number had to be discovered.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
And so there was a period where if you went to, if you went to the average person and said, let me tell you about some math.
Let's say you have, let's say you're starting at zero, right?
They'll go, huh?
Like zero, like, let's say you have nothing.
They'll be like, huh?
ian crossland
Yeah, because there's no nothing in reality.
It's a weird concept.
tim pool
But it's just like, they don't know that.
They don't understand that concept.
We grow up, we learn these things, it becomes commonplace to us.
So, you know, in today's day and age, you look at the philosophy that was written, And these great philosophers who are coming up with these ideas, and we're kind of like, you had to figure that one out?
Well, it's because we're surrounded by people who generally understand these things that that information is given to us.
ian crossland
Do you think that we're limited in our ability to think by the language we know?
vince dao
Yes.
ian crossland
So you don't think we can think without language?
phil labonte
Yes.
To a certain degree, yes.
tim pool
There are different ways of thinking.
They're, they're, uh, and I'm not gonna pretend to know all of them or whatever.
What I do know is, and depends on the person who's listening, but I'm assuming some people in here, can think in words, images, sounds.
Some people can think in images.
Some people think in, uh, they describe it as just like raw thought.
There's no inner monologue, there's no voice.
Some people think and multi-track more than one thing at a time.
I have this weird thing where I can be daydreaming about my plans for a video game while I'm talking.
And so I can be literally just auto-piloting my ideas and language while I'm imagining what I'm gonna do when I go back to my video game.
ian crossland
It's like singing and playing guitar kind of at the same time at flow state, or your body just... Right, it's also how you can write a song as you're playing.
tim pool
So it's how people are freestyling.
Their brain is planning the words ahead before they say it.
So it's multi-track mind.
ian crossland
Freestyling different thoughts at the same time.
That's cool.
tim pool
So the important thing is, like the ideas of classical liberalism start to emerge around, what was it, like late 1600s, 1700s?
phil labonte
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
When we start getting all those ideas?
And it's hard, it's crazy to think that back then, they did not have the concept of like personal responsibility and individual liberty.
Like, before the United States, for the most part, I mean granted there's Rome, but after this period with European colonialism and European monarchy and stuff, the general idea was that if you were a world leader it was because of divine providence.
God wills it.
ian crossland
Divine right.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden you have the Founding Fathers being like, I kind of think we're all equal, and we're all people, and you're just making that up, and we should govern ourselves.
And they're like, uh oh.
phil labonte
Arguably, the first time that that concept was actually, like, in Put into law was the Magna Carta.
We talked about the Magna Carta a couple days ago.
And that wasn't everybody.
That was the actual lords trying to get some kind of recognition from the king as equals.
I don't think the actual peasants were written in the same way that the landowners were, but it was the first step towards all people are created equal in the eyes of God or whatever.
tim pool
You know, it really blew my mind the first time I read about the discovery of air.
Yeah.
Because we are raised in a world where it is commonplace to understand we live in a gaseous atmosphere.
But there was this dude, and what they would do back in the day is they had these brass balls with holes in the bottom, and a straw that comes up, a tube, and what they would do is they would take it, dip it in water, put their thumb over the hole, pull it up, and then let go, and it would pour the water over him.
So then this one dude is like, Well, you put it in the water and then cover it.
What if I cover it and then put it in the water?
And when he did, no water went inside.
And he goes, there's gotta be something there blocking the water from going in.
And that's where he came up with the idea of air.
Because there's nothing.
Like, you just can't see it.
You don't feel it.
The wind is like some element, they would describe it as.
And this guy was like, there's air.
And then all of a sudden there was this discovery and this knowledge that people had, like, oh, there is something there, isn't there?
vince dao
So who discovered transgenderism?
Because I'd like to go back in time and have a peaceful word with them.
ian crossland
That's a long time ago.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about John Money and, but to go back to ancient knowledge and stuff, but yeah, who was the other guy?
Kinsey, Kinsey.
You gotta save that stuff for Seamus.
But I just, I'm sorry, I just love this idea when we're talking about Benjamin Franklin discovering electricity.
you know, he's not really discovering it.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
He's like, I bet lightning is electricity.
And then I just think about that and I'm like, wow, do we really take this stuff for granted?
Because even right now, there's probably, it's a fact that there's a bunch of really stupid,
obvious things we don't know as humans.
And in a hundred years, they're going to be like, they didn't know that like, you know, X was Y.
ian crossland
I think we're psychic and it's going to be so obvious to people in the future, they'll be like,
these morons took so long to accept it.
Like when you call your friend and they're calling you at the same moment, oops, that it wasn't someone you didn't know calling you.
It was the same person you were calling.
Just weird stuff, you know, or where you can look at someone and kind of, you know what they're thinking without them having to tell you.
tim pool
I mean, maybe.
I don't know about all that.
ian crossland
I think it's like dreams and stuff.
Dreams?
We haven't figured out what dreams are yet.
They're going to tell us in the future.
They'll be like, those idiots.
tim pool
I mean, we have ideas, but the interesting thing about most of our scientific ideas is that they tend to be wrong.
Isn't that a crazy thing?
I love this.
I was reading about how the The way we view the human body and the brain is based on the current version of technology that is ubiquitous.
So before, you know, a hundred years ago, when steam was becoming this prominent thing, the brain was viewed as a pressure machine and it worked through pressure.
And now that we have computers, it is viewed as a, you know, these liberals are like, we're wet robots, you know, that's all we are.
They're just basic.
And the human brain is probably something infinitely more profound than just to call it a computer.
It's probably, you know, it's going to be a hundred years from now and we're going to have quantum, you know, quantum holographic, you know, computational reality bending devices and we're going to be like, oh, it's a human brain.
A human brain is basically just a functioning quantum, you know, refraction device for manipulating reality.
vince dao
And they might still be wrong.
tim pool
And exactly!
And then it's going to be a hundred years later and they're going to be like, can you believe, can you believe they actually thought that?
Those crazy people.
Everyone knows the brain is just made of cheese.
Who knows?
But it is crazy to see how everything is always wrong.
They used to drink mercury to treat syphilis.
And it's like, that was what you had to do.
And now we're like, well, that's wrong.
ian crossland
It's sort of like, you have to think and live in the terms of your compatriot humans at that period of history.
Because I think of the subatomic spin of nature.
Spinners, they're called.
You know, quarks and things like that.
But if I talk to people as if your brain is a bunch of quarks, they're going to look at me like I'm an idiot.
Because it's too advanced.
They're like, oh, you were born too early.
tim pool
How do we even know the quark is the fundamental... It's not.
ian crossland
It's just the one we can see at the moment.
The smallest particle we can currently see.
tim pool
At first we were like, an atom.
Can we split the atom?
And then we did!
And then we blew people up with it.
That's the funny thing.
It's like, a scientist is like, Eureka!
I've split the atom!
And then some dude is like...
I can kill a lot of people with that.
phil labonte
What if you can split a lot of atoms?
unidentified
Isn't it war that leads to the greatest, like, innovations and inventions?
It's wartime frequently, right?
ian crossland
Horrifically, yes.
tim pool
That's why, in Europe, there was this one really, there was a great story I was reading where, you know, they have the archers shooting at each other.
So what one side did was they made it so that the, what do they call it, the notches, or the nocks, or whatever they're called, notches, on the arrows were really small.
So that the drawstrings of their enemies they could not use, but the arrows of the larger spacings in them could be used on their thinner.
So it's like, all the arrows you shoot at us we can shoot back, but you can't shoot the arrows back at us.
unidentified
Huh.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Clever.
unidentified
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
tim pool
But the thing about Europe is that you have Mediterranean abundance of food, which leads to population growth, and then you also have a finite amount of space.
So when you get a large population and then eventually nowhere to go, they start fighting over resources, which leads to rapid competition, weapons and technology and tactical developments, and finally colonization.
They eventually just build boats and say, we're getting out of here.
This is crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
One of the things about the stat living in a status quo society is that taking risks and doing radical, like in a war, you have very little choice.
You take radical risks, but we're kind of disincentivized to do it in this culture.
And I understand why, because you want to.
You know want it to stay balanced. You don't want someone to build new fusion bomb right now because then everyone's
got a fusion bomb but
It almost hinders uh innovation
vince dao
In a way, I think about I think you look at england and kind of the anglo sphere
contributing probably a lot of you know, america and england a lot of the world's technology today or is invented here
and You know, you kind of go back look at a place like england,
right?
It's cold, not a lot of resources, can't really do a whole lot, so you got to think creatively, and I think it's interesting how English creativity seems to have contributed a lot to history, and then obviously, you know, largest empire, all that stuff.
ian crossland
Isaac Newton.
I was reading about physics and how Isaac Newton's discovery of but like allowed for long range ballistics which allowed
the British Navy to dominate the world.
They're long range cannons.
They could hit boats before the boats could hit them.
And that was like.
phil labonte
Principia Mathematica.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
That was Newton's book.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
Do you think that like with England it you sure there was great minds there but you know
with the Internet today we see that just a such jump in information and knowledge amongst
Do you think the fact that they had such a far-reaching empire, they just brought people together for better or for worse, and that Bringing enough people together is just you shared ideas, you shared food recipes, you know, you shared materials that you might not have had access to.
And so that was what the jump is in our information as a species.
I think rather than just England being unique, it's just an empire will do that.
phil labonte
That kind of when you have different societies mixing together and, you know, interacting Especially if it's a peaceful interaction now granted obviously not all of colonial British Empire was was peaceful But there were plenty of places that were interacting with Britain in their colonies that were not actually the colony so you know like if you're in like the interior of Asia that wasn't you know British colonies, but you did have
You know the Silk Road and all that kind of stuff and that really does help to facilitate learning from you know because you're interacting with other cultures and one culture that might discover something because they don't have a taboo that another culture does might be able to Pass on the knowledge.
There's a lot of taboos that cultures have like whether it be types of food or you have to dress this way, whether it be religions or certain behaviors that will get you killed in the Amazon but won't get you killed in the desert and stuff like that.
So it's like those kind of interactions really do help societies to progress.
ian crossland
There's this idea that it's not the strongest of the humans that will survive, but the ones that are the most adaptable to change.
That might actually be a Darwin quote.
And so I'm wondering, like, the Romans were extremely adaptable.
They would conquer and take people's technology and then call it Roman technology and then move on.
And I wonder if we're in a place in the world right now where communism is a technology that people think Maybe is they think that being the most adaptable like we're in a culture war to decide to show people what what they should adapt into I think and communism to a lot of people looks like a good looks like an easy path out and it's like a
But you were shaking your head immediately when I brought up the word communism.
You don't think it's the right adaptation?
I don't think it's the right adaptation.
phil labonte
Because it's totalitarian.
The root problem with communism is that it's totalitarian.
You don't get to have another opinion.
And if you have the wrong opinion, then you end up either, you know, nowadays it's cancel culture, but back in, you know, so my buddy Zoltan, the guitar player from Five Finger Death Punch, he grew up in Hungary, okay, when it was communist.
And, you know, he would say something and his parents would be like, shut up.
You're going to get someone, you know, you're going to get, they're going to come and take you away.
He's a very intelligent guy.
He's gifted.
He was put into the smart people schools when he was young.
He was taken away from his family and stuff.
You get that kind of stuff.
You don't get to make decisions on your own.
You don't actually have the option to decide to do something else.
They will decide what's what.
ian crossland
Which ultimately is a lack of adaptation.
If you can't adapt in a system, if it's totalitarian and you're unable to adapt, then the system will falter and fail.
phil labonte
It's not about adaptation.
It's about the The inability to make decisions on your own.
So there's no creative process.
There's no markets.
There's no, uh, there's no exchange of ideas.
It's this is the way it is.
And that means there's no growth in your, in your society.
There's no, no, uh, progress in your, in your markets and stuff like that.
So it's, it's all bad.
vince dao
I think communism in many ways is kind of an example of falling victim to change instead of adapting to it, because you look at even the social situation where communism originates from, right?
Industrial Revolution, Europe's changing very fast, there's the good, there's the bad, and a lot of people...
Because, you know, you look at a place like Russia, right?
That was obviously the first communist revolution there.
Because they, Tucker Carlson brings this up a lot, because they did not properly adapt to industrialization, the changing world in the right way, what happened, right?
They fell to the Bolsheviks, the Tsar, you know, fell out of favor and all that stuff.
And with most communist revolutions around the world, arguably even including our own right now, it really comes down to a failure to properly adapt to change, and then the change basically just destroys you, right?
And I think with America, you could point to a lot of things, maybe the failure to adapt to the internet and technology, there's an argument to be made there, right?
That's definitely accelerated the kind of left-wing push of the culture and all that, and probably a lot of other factors.
Yeah.
tim pool
I think it's that you have the older generation that keeps ignoring it as the internet starts growing.
So if you look back to the advent of the internet, you have people saying it's a fad, it's never going to take off, it's nothing.
And then you have its expansion.
Young people have completely embraced it and started using it.
I'm a little kid.
We had CompuServe on DOS.
Then we ended up with, you know, AOL.
And so I'm using the internet.
I grew up on it.
These older people keep just maintaining their status quo systems because it's too hard to move their monolithic structures.
And this happens for a lot of industries, but with communications it results in a generation that speaks a different language.
And then all of a sudden you're going to get a cultural bifurcation like what we have now.
The people who believe in freedom use the internet and like posting memes, and the communists who fell victim to the algorithmic manipulation for money, who are now psychotic, and these worldviews can't come together.
The story of that girl who was raised by wolves or whatever.
It's not literally raised by wolves, but the wild girl.
And, uh, she never, she could never learn English.
She never learned language.
And by the time she was like a teenager and they find her or whatever, they try saying like, here's how to speak.
She could only ever grunt and say basic things like food.
vince dao
Yeah.
tim pool
Hungry.
And it could never actually have complex conversations because the brain never developed.
So what happens is, if you have someone who grows up in the communist world of algorithmic manipulation, and someone who grows up in a freedom, meme-loving, bulletin board system world of the internet, the hacker culture stuff, these two worldviews will never come together, and you're not going to be able to explain to the communists why their worldview doesn't work, because their brains are wired to be controlled and be commanded.
vince dao
That's why some people are literally NPCs, right?
We always use that term, non-playable character, but it's true.
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
These people have been programmed through schools, and through... I think mostly through school.
They go to college, so they're spending their life from 5 years old, let's say preschool, 4 years old, till 22, maybe 24, 26, depending on what degree they're getting, where they're always just told what to do.
And in their life, and their brain, and everything their brain is constructed around, life is, I will be told what to do and I will do it.
And then you have other people who are like, I will find my own way and figure life out on my own.
You can't convince someone whose brain is hardwired to be commanded that they should break free and be independent.
You can't.
It's not completely true.
I'm saying it's very, very difficult and it's painful for people.
That's why Brandon Strock talks about the story of when he finally got red-pilled and realized what was going on, it physically hurt him.
ian crossland
Dude, it's so interesting to think that every society could get to a point where it needs to adapt to modern tech, and if it doesn't, it falls into totalitarianism, and then it will erupt into a revolution.
vince dao
Or something.
Anarchy or chaos.
Something's gonna happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And then it'll just be an explosion of pain and violence until they reform a new society to get to a place where they need to adapt again, and are they gonna make the same mistake again?
Like, you said the internet.
Yo, we should be... First of all, we should be looking at this stuff and be like, oh, this is all able to be spying on me and I'm using it every day?
I need the software code.
All of it.
That should be... We should be adapted to that already.
We should be using this to govern ourselves.
That should be done.
We should be local governance, we should be moving tax money around locally, deciding where our tax money goes.
Like, what are we waiting on?
Big Daddy to do it for us?
That's totalitarianism.
tim pool
Right, but you have half the country that wants Big Daddy to tell them what to do.
unidentified
Yeah.
Your mind is like a muscle.
If you're not working it out, it's going to be a shriveled, sad piece of meat.
So that's what I took from what Tim was saying, that these people, they're on autopilot.
They're in the lazy boy from the time they're born.
They get the tablet, they get YouTube, they've got algorithms, they turn on the smart TV.
They don't have to think.
So that muscle is not being worked.
vince dao
You know what, though?
I think there's an interesting argument to be made that doesn't every society have that, right?
Like, how many people in any society, in any point in human history, more than 20 to 30 percent of the population truly thinks for themselves, right?
I think a lot of times, some people are naturally kind of followers and leaders, that's why you have both.
I think the problem now is that Now that they have control of, you know, internet and everything like that, you can very easily manipulate the followers now to, you know, go towards a side of evil, whereas say, you know, I don't know, 1950s, whatever conservative decade we want to look at, most people back then probably weren't thinking for themselves either, but you had people... First of all, you didn't have the internet, so manipulation wasn't as easy as it is now, but I think probably you also had a lot of people who, uh,
We're kind of more responsible, paternalistic, cultural leaders that weren't trying to push the destruction of their own country onto the people.
ian crossland
But you see Hitler use the radio, for sure, to manipulate and control people and push them towards evil ends.
tim pool
That's a big example, huge.
ian crossland
And when you play Civilization, which I really, that's like the biggest change in the game, radio.
When radio is developed, it alters the human species beyond measure.
The ability to communicate across long distances in real time.
tim pool
Well, it's the creation of the mass broadcast.
It's when they built the Eye of Sauron.
All of a sudden, you have a singular broadcast tower telling you what to think and feel.
And this is the authority, and everyone wants to hear.
Before it was like, word of mouth.
Everything was very local.
You'd go to your church, you'd hear what people were saying, you'd look at the local paper.
But there were competing papers, and the newspapers were getting big.
But once radio happens, all of a sudden, you know, people start getting these boxes that are telling them.
And for a long time in the United States, you had only a couple networks.
And they all marched in lockstep as to what was true and what you must believe.
vince dao
And that's the thing, is even in America, it's only been the past few decades where people even question what they see on TV, right?
When Walter Concrete went out and said the Vietnam War is bad, basically, the country believed it, right?
During World War II, I don't think anyone really questioned what they heard on the news media, the radio, and so I think even in this country, it's probably still a problem, you know?
And historically was, of course.
tim pool
The internet breaks it, and now we're going back to how people, more localized communities, the problem is they're not physical, they're- Right.
They're- Parasocial.
vince dao
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, what it is, is you would have a region that would have a culture and a way of speaking and a kind of food based on what was there, and their ideas were based on the world they lived in.
Now with the internet, you have people, you'll have a conservative living next to a liberal, the conservative has his community online, the liberal has their community online, and next door to each other, they don't like each other.
unidentified
Yeah, it used to be geography dictated your culture in a huge way.
It doesn't matter anymore.
You've got people in the United States that agree with communism.
I mean, it's crazy.
That would have never happened 30 years ago.
ian crossland
I remember 30 years ago, I would I had friends in my neighborhood that I didn't like.
Like, kids that were mean.
Kids that I just didn't want to be around.
But that was who was in my neighborhood, so that's who I was around.
And I suffered some abuse because of it.
So, like, in a way, it's better that I don't have to interact with those people, even if they're next door.
I can get online and talk to the cool, smart people.
vince dao
But that's a part of life, too.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Now you can avoid that situation.
ian crossland
And if I... Avoiding it's probably a problem.
Probably causing a rift.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Like, you're supposed to interact with people you disagree with.
Right.
And supposed to figure out how to get along with people you don't get along with.
vince dao
Exactly.
Exactly.
phil labonte
Why do you say supposed to?
ian crossland
I think it's just part of our evolution, what's got us to where we're at.
phil labonte
Part of the American dream and part of the Founding Fathers, they all kind of... I like how they would argue and... I guess I have a different take on what is evolution and then, because I don't think that the human race has really considerably evolved in the past 200 years.
ian crossland
You think I'm kind of off about... I just think that evolution... Just kind of off, in general.
That's basically a little wrong.
phil labonte
I think that evolution requires an outside force.
Evolution is genes that have produced an adaptation to something that is an outside force.
For so like the way they figure that eyes evolved there were cells that were you know when you when we were without eyes and and stuff in in in the water and stuff the cells that happen to be Receptive to light that could actually just see just light and dark, right?
Those are the ones that there were ended up being the ones that would could give the more likely to survive Yeah more likely to survive and so without some kind of outside Influence?
You don't get an evolution.
vince dao
Allegedly.
tim pool
The Evolution of the Eye is an awesome video you guys should watch.
I don't know the exact... I think if you search Evolution of the Eye Explained, you'll get the video I'm probably referring to.
But they break down how you have these cells, and it's a competition.
They're just all competing for the free energy available.
Some of these cells are being hit by light, and the light is... they're more receptive to it.
This gives them an advantage in data. They're now getting a binary set of data, light or dark,
which allows them to see if something... So basically now, if it's just dark, you can't
see where the free food is, but now with light added to the mix, you'll see dark in a pool of
light indicating potential free energy.
This, maybe it was only a 0.1% increase in the free energy acquired by these cells, but it resulted in them being more successful over a long period of time.
What ends up happening is, as multicellular organisms evolve, you get dimples.
Because a dimple allows light to hit from multiple angles, giving you more depth and understanding of where the light is coming from.
And then you get, the reason there's two is because it creates a depth of field.
So now you can perceive how far away an object might be.
So all of these things are just evolved because it's the most natural thing within our system
in terms of how light operates.
ian crossland
Dude, I love watching that.
tim pool
It's crazy.
phil labonte
It's an amazing video.
It's super smart.
And also like one of the arguments against like humans' ability to interact with reality.
So there's there's there are philosophers that say you can't actually know what's real because you have your brain is actually interpreting the things that you say.
tim pool
Brain the fat.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And the argument against that is without a an existing world out there to perceive you don't get evolution.
Like, without an existing world to interact with.
tim pool
So that means... Well, I don't think that disproves Brain In A Vat.
phil labonte
No, no, not Brain In A Vat.
I'm talking about the idea that we can't... that there is no reality.
So that we can't actually know what reality is.
That's an argument that's made.
But the fact that we've evolved means that there is a reality out there for us to have responded to.
tim pool
So I was having a conversation with someone a few years ago at Vegas.
I think it was at Vegas.
And the question I asked was, if I take this phone right here
and I throw it at that window, what will happen?
What will happen Ian?
ian crossland
It'll hit the window and bounce off, make a noise, maybe leave a dent,
mark in the wood or something.
tim pool
All right, a definitive answer.
And there's other acceptable answers.
It will break the window and fly outside.
It'll bounce off and the phone will shatter.
The phone will break into a couple of different pieces.
ian crossland
It will land in my hand because I have lightning- Or you'll catch it.
tim pool
And so the point I made was, are you thinking about your circumstances
in terms of this is what will happen?
Are you thinking about things in terms of the most likely thing to happen?
Or are you thinking about things in terms of there's a 10% chance it'll do this, a 70% chance it'll do this, a 23% chance it'll do this, and a 47% chance it'll do this, and then you're creating contingencies based on the probabilities?
ian crossland
I usually think contingencies, but I've found people think I'm psychotic if I talk in contingencies, so I've got to pick really quickly the most likely one and kind of flush it out and see if it's psycho?
tim pool
What I mean to say is, you will, you need to figure out when it's appropriate to look
at a circumstance of someone wants to throw a phone at a window, instead of just making
the assumption it will do X, but to, is to consider what are the probabilities and possibilities
And then what are your plans in the event of A, B, C, or D?
But it's not appropriate to do that in every single circumstance.
Sometimes if you're in a burning building and you're like, let's figure this one out.
You're probably just going to have to go for the first, the most, like get out of the building.
But there may be alternate paths with higher rates of success.
You just don't know, but you've got to- Like it's outside the box.
ian crossland
I actually tweeted this out yesterday.
When you're thinking outside the box, have about 60 to 90 Different possible outcomes in your mind you don't have to adhere to any of them But just know that there are those many and that's when you're out thinking outside the box But there are situations like you're just saying burning building.
tim pool
You don't have time you're in the box You need to get out so you you do what you got to do with you what you got we're We're going to Super Chats, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com, become a member to support our work directly.
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We got Culture Abduction says, first, and shout out to the Dallas Mayor who switches sides here, here.
Clint Torres is back with another, howdy people!
Howdy.
ian crossland
Howdy, Clint.
tim pool
Right on.
Jeremiah D. McRoberts says, StarscapeChronicles.com, new sci-fi universe, very cool.
Very cool.
I've completed my first run-through of Baldur's Gate, now I'm wondering if I should play... what is it, Starfield?
unidentified
Starfield, yes.
It sounds like... But it's woke.
Sounds like, yeah, there's some woke elements, but you said Baldur's Gate's got some of those elements too?
tim pool
Well, Baldur's Gate has the... you can create a character who has like a male face, a female body, a deep male voice, but identifies as non-binary and like...
So, if you try to randomize your character, you're gonna get a purple-haired, masculine, like, dude with boobs.
unidentified
Sounds like it's a similar level as Baldur's Gate, but it's fun.
tim pool
But the game itself isn't.
I mean, I guess the fact, I'm pretty sure in Baldur's Gate, everyone's gay.
No, I'm not saying that to be mean.
Like, all the characters are homosexual.
ian crossland
Well, they're all bi.
tim pool
Well, I guess pansexual is a better way to put it.
Yeah, because, and it's funny if you think about video games, they have to do it that way.
Because if the general idea is that you can customize your own character to be anything, and you should have an option to romance your characters, they have no choice but to make it so all the characters are just banging everybody and they don't care.
vince dao
You know what sucks?
I grew up my childhood playing a lot of GTA.
I've waited now 10 years for the next game, and it's like one of the things in my life that's the last video game I'm gonna play when I'm an adult, right?
Just GTA 6.
And I know at this point, the fact that it's probably gonna come out 2027, 2028, I know exactly how it's going to be.
tim pool
Well, what they're doing is, the character's female now.
For the first time it's going to be a female character.
unidentified
Can I guys spoil a little bit of something from Starfield?
Sure.
It's not major at all.
So there's this little note that you find, and because the game was delayed, there was a guy so excited to play the game, he had cancer.
never got to play the game. So in his honor, they put a little note in the game that you can go and
find and collect. And it's just like happy hunting or happy exploring the universe. It's really sad,
but that's what it reminded me of. It's like these games, like really people get so excited.
tim pool
Yeah. So in World of Warcraft, I've done this, I think on multiple occasions where
I think in Burning Crusade, that is someone who played a lot died of cancer. And so the character
became an NPC in the city that you could go and talk to and interact with. So like,
ian crossland
One day with AI you'll be actually still talking to the real person.
unidentified
Yep!
tim pool
That's creepy.
Let's read some more.
Let's read some more super chats.
Where are we at?
Melinda Lou says, has the team considered virtual tickets to the Miami event?
Yes!
So, I don't want to say too much just yet, but we're currently navigating how we're going to do the live portion of it, and there is a decent probability the live show will just be the whole show.
So this is a Friday night show.
Instead of doing the normal Friday night show, it will be a members only for the full thing, but this will include the pre-show, This is a way we can do the pre-show, the comedy, the show, and the after show all in one go.
But we're not completely sure that that'll be the way we'll do it.
And then what we would do is we would immediately upload the podcast to all podcast platforms.
We would then put the clips on YouTube like normal.
But the issue is...
If we're going to have all these awesome people, the last thing we want to do is be like, we're doing the normal, this is a YouTube show, and so here's, nah, we want to have, we want Alex Stein to be able to just like, we want to own the show and not have to worry about anything and make it the most entertaining thing imaginable, which means we probably have to control it.
But we're not 100%.
The general idea for now was pre-show is not live, it's only at the venue.
The show will be live on YouTube as per normal, and then the after show is, you know, at the venue only.
And then I thought, yeah, but members who can't travel, like, we gotta figure something out, so... The idea might be just, like, the whole Miami event will be available for members on TimCast.com.
Again, we'll have to figure that one out.
Not 100% sure that's the way we're gonna do it, though.
But, uh, I don't know.
I don't know.
We'll see.
We will see.
We will see.
And, uh, yeah, let's read some more.
ian crossland
Dude, it'd be cool to have a 3D camera on stage that you could watch from.
If you have, like, special access and be there on stage with everybody, like... There's no way we can set that up.
tim pool
I mean...
We might be able to.
ian crossland
360 cam is what I meant.
tim pool
Yes, we can do it, but I don't think Rumble has the capabilities for 360 camera ingestion.
unidentified
Yeah, you would have to do some kind of alternate stream.
ian crossland
YouTube does.
tim pool
So yes, it exists.
And I've done them before, 360 degree live streams, but they fell out of popularity.
No one cares to do them anymore.
We used to carry the monopod with the 360 camera and it would stream, and then you chose what to look at, which is cool, but super low-res.
It could be cool to do, like, have one of the chairs be a 360 cam.
You know, we could do.
ian crossland
And that chair, we just set it up.
tim pool
Well, we could just record.
ian crossland
Every episode.
tim pool
And then upload the 360 live podcast.
Watch it if you want.
Put it on Rumble.
ian crossland
If you have the goggles on and you can, like, turn and look at the guys that are talking, it's so awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, but the real goal is to do stereoscopic 360, which is hard to do.
But you have a sphere with two cameras, so it's not one camera, it's two.
For every camera you double it up, so that way you can create depth of field.
So for someone who's putting on a VR headset and looking around, you actually can see depth.
But it doesn't work perfectly, because the cameras don't move, so there's AI building gaps.
You know, whatever.
Let's read some more.
Devin Grissom says, Tim, I think we need to see James Lindsay back on the show with Phil.
phil labonte
I'd love to hang out with Jim.
I haven't had a chance to meet him in person, but we have corresponded via the internet, and he is a very friendly guy.
tim pool
Well, you've just got to tweet at him.
phil labonte
Jim, come on!
tim pool
Come on the show!
phil labonte
Let's talk about Jim.
ian crossland
Degrowth.
phil labonte
You're in D.C.
unidentified
a lot.
Come on.
tim pool
We should do a culture war with James Lindsay.
Yeah, would you want to do it?
phil labonte
I would totally do that.
tim pool
Let's do it.
Alright, what do we have?
Skylar Pearson says, Tim, you should look up Publius Claudius Pulcher and the Sacred Chickens.
You're gonna love it.
I thoroughly enjoyed the show with Matt Gaetz last night, my favorite rep.
Thank you to you and your team for all that you do.
You know, we had Ami Horowitz scheduled, and Matt Gaetz's team said, hey, we don't know if there's any availability, and I'm like, oh, yo, Matt can come whenever he wants.
Not only do we need to get the opportunity to hear what he's talking about with this continued resolution, it's a tremendous opportunity for the American people, I'm a big fan of Matt Gaetz.
He's actually doing things.
I'm just, you know, as soon as we leave the show, I'm going to my girlfriend and I'm like, Matt Gaetz may have just shut down Omnibus Spending.
I'm hoping he wins this.
This is crazy!
phil labonte
That would be amazing.
tim pool
And it's just like, who else is doing stuff like this?
Now credit to Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massey, there's a handful of really great people, but I think Matt Gaetz is just doing the most.
ian crossland
He's an aggressive communicator.
He likes building coalitions.
He's good at it.
tim pool
I know, and I'm impressed with his, he is tactful.
He's even talked about, you know, he was talking about the, he's worked with AOC on, it was the stock, I think it was him and AOC on the stopping stock trading, insider trading stuff.
He does a great job.
But, um, I do feel bad for Ami, because it's always- it's always rough when it's like, you book a guest, and then it's like, the air will be sucked out of the room by this very big, very important show.
We've got someone coming in who's in the middle of this big news story.
I will also add, though, I got, uh, a shoutout from, um...
Richie McGinnis, we were on MSNBC, they used clips of the show to, like, talk about the Republicans or whatever.
ian crossland
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Yeah.
I'm like, hey man, I'll take it.
It's an honor and a privilege to be able to get, you know, a first-hand view of and breakdown of what's going on with Congress.
All right, let's go back to where we are.
Remington says Styx is back in the States.
Are you going to have him on?
phil labonte
Oh, is he?
tim pool
So there are a couple individuals who have made it to the States.
So, um, I don't, I don't, we usually don't announce anything because, um, then when someone cancels it sucks.
We do, we are trying to get Stick, Sex and Hammer on the show.
We have been trying to get Stick, Sex and Hammer on the show forever since the show began.
He's like, well, I'm a big fan.
He's a very rational, very smart guy and he has great content.
And, um, I think Carl Benjamin is also in the States currently.
phil labonte
He's in Florida.
He put up a picture of a horrible pizza and I don't approve Carl.
I don't approve.
I don't care that you're from England and that, like, you're not used to good-looking food.
That pizza was an abomination.
unidentified
Zelensky's here, too, right now.
Oh, wow!
tim pool
Oh, yeah, we'll have him on the show.
Gotta have him on.
I'm a huge fan of, oh, that awful pizza.
phil labonte
It's gross, right?
tim pool
It's half Hawaiian, half pepperoni, and it's like cut wrong.
ian crossland
Was it good for him?
He liked it?
phil labonte
Well, I mean... You know what's crazy?
vince dao
Florida has so many New Yorkers and yet I've never had good pizza in that state.
phil labonte
Really?
vince dao
That's crazy.
phil labonte
So there is a rumor, there are people that say that the water in New York and Connecticut is why the pizza's so good.
tim pool
It's three things.
The water.
The air, altitude, and the flour they use.
So there was a place I went to in Florida that advertised New York pizza and they actually said, we import our water and our flour from New York and cook it to simulate the humidity and conditions of New York on average.
It's really, I think New York is, New York's sea level, but then there's also like the humidity conditions, the average temperature, and so you're in Florida, it's much more humid, you have to control for these things to really try and simulate how New York pizza comes out.
phil labonte
I have had pizza across the whole country, every state, I guarantee at some point, some club has just thrown pizza after the show, right?
tim pool
Chicago pizza is the best, but not, I am not talking about deep dish.
phil labonte
It's a different kind of pizza than New York pizza, too.
tim pool
Not deep dish.
I am talking about real Chicago pizza, which is, it's a thin-ish crust.
The crust is probably twice as thick as your average New York, and it's firm.
I don't really know how else to describe it.
It is, it is, and it's cut into squares.
And this is how we had all of our pizza growing up.
The crust doesn't rise, so you don't get, like on a New York pizza, the back of the pizza is big, and then it's flat, and then, right, it rises a little bit.
Chicago pizza doesn't do that.
It's baked, and it like stays as it is.
Then it's like the sauce, the cheese is really thick, they're cut into squares, and it's a thick square piece.
That's how we have Chicago pizza.
Chicago pizza's the best.
unidentified
Have you guys tried Andy's Pizza that's in the area yet?
No.
So they won 2021's World's Best Pizza Award.
Oh, let's do it.
Really?
Yeah, I've been meaning to try it, and apparently they won it with a cheese pizza.
tim pool
We gotta get Dave Portnoy out here.
I mean, he's doing Pizza Fest.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Dave just did a review of my buddy's pizza up in Connecticut.
Foucault Pizza.
It's great.
unidentified
Foucault?
tim pool
He gave it a good review?
phil labonte
Foucault, yeah.
I think he gave it like an 8.5 or something.
tim pool
Did you see that video where the guy came out screaming at him?
vince dao
Yeah, yeah.
It's awesome.
tim pool
What happened?
He's like, he does the pizza reviews and he came out and the store owner came out and started screaming at him or something, like, insulting him.
And then he started talking with people who were outside and they were like, I love Dave Portnoy, he's great.
And he's like, what's going on, dude?
vince dao
I'm just eating pizza.
No, no, he tried to go to the cops, the business owner, because he was standing on the sidewalk and the cops were cool with him, you know, they were friends with him and stuff, so.
tim pool
Why did the store owner hate him?
vince dao
He's a liberal, but also, I guess, the business owner's claim is that Dave Portnoy is bad for small business.
Which I don't understand.
tim pool
No, it's because they're woke.
vince dao
Here's the thing, too, is even if you give a place a bad pizza review, okay, barstool people on the internet won't go there, but it's not going to hurt your current existing business.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
It can only bring business to- But it's because he knows he's got bad pizza.
vince dao
Yeah, bro.
tim pool
If I had a place and Dave showed up, I'd be like, please bro, tell me, tell the people about my pizza.
And he's going to be like, it's pretty good, man.
Even if he said it's not the best pizza, but it's like a seven or an eight, I'd be like, yes.
vince dao
If you live in the area too, you would be like, okay, Dave Portnoy.
phil labonte
Also like Portnoy was doing all that stuff during COVID to help all the small businesses.
tim pool
Didn't he say he had too much Parmesan?
Is that what it was?
vince dao
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, he's like, too much Par, man.
ian crossland
I don't like it.
Two days ago.
vince dao
But honestly, it was an average New England interaction.
tim pool
I like David Portnoy.
He had Mincy's back when they fired him for BS reasons.
That's good stuff.
ian crossland
That Washington Post journalist trying to do a hit piece on him.
So he called her directly and recorded and uploaded it on Twitter.
This was two days ago.
I highly recommend it.
It's like a master class in how you deal with this stuff.
Go on the offensive.
tim pool
And she admitted that she was just trying to goad people and then published the story anyway.
And he's like, it's amazing that the state of journalism, you can get someone on the phone admitting that they're making up the story and pushing it and then still run the story anyway.
phil labonte
I think now is a good time to quote Michael Malice.
The job is not done until the average corporate journalist is looked at in the same way that a tobacco lobbyist is.
tim pool
He is correct.
He is correct.
Let's read some more.
All right.
Dark Hell Hound says... Dark Hell Hound?
It says Dark Hell Hound.
New Jersey voted Menendez back in after he was indicted.
Well, you wrote indicated, but indicted in 2013 for bribery, fraud, and false statements.
Most people in New Jersey will vote for the person with the D next to the name.
Yep.
And when you go and talk to them, I wish, I'd love to believe there's a conspiracy, but bro, I have lived near these people.
I have sat down and played poker with these people.
I have gone to bars and spoken to them at bars, and they have no idea what the they are talking about.
And you'll say something like, You'll be like, do you have any concerns about Menendez?
vince dao
They're stubborn about it, too.
tim pool
Well, no, like, you'll go to someone and be like, you're wearing an I Voted thing.
It's like, you vote, what did you vote?
Like, I voted for Menendez.
And be like, do you have any concerns about the fraud and, like, the accusations of underage girls?
And they'll go, the what?
And I'm just like, oh, dude.
Politics is busted, man.
phil labonte
It's never a good policy to say, oh, we want to remove voting rights from people, but man, people abuse the hell out of their right to vote.
They are irresponsible with it.
They put no actual effort into looking to see if what they've heard on Comedy Central is actually true.
vince dao
It is just You know what's so sad about it too is New England and I guess by extension I'm not gonna but that area of the country is where the American Revolution originated from and you can still see some of that attitude in the people in the sense that they're so stubborn and belligerent and you can tell how hey these people's ancestors picked up guns.
The problem is the energy is directed all in the wrong direction.
Right?
When you think about if New Englander energy of today could be directed toward, hey, you know, I'm not with what's going on in the country, we're going to protect American tradition, but instead it's like, yes, I'm going to stubbornly stand up like the guy in the Dave Portnoy video and fight you over the rights of, you know, gay, black, transgender children to, you know, get mastectomies at 14, you know, but I'll fight you for that, bro, you know, that kind of thing.
That's the problem.
The energy's in the wrong direction.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
All right.
Tyrion says, be careful with an orgy of evidence.
This is the passport in the wreck of 9-11.
I think the 150s and 20s is because a single bank only has so much cash on hand.
Also, why hide it in clothing?
I think it's a fair point, too.
Someone said that Menendez was speaking out against the Iran deal, and then all of a sudden, indictment drops.
Maybe that's it.
I do not trust these people, man.
I don't trust Menendez, but I gotta be honest.
If you've got, you can, what was the Jack Sparrow quote?
He's a dishonest man, but you can trust him because you can trust him to be dishonest.
Something like that.
And that's how I view politicians across the board, except for maybe like a handful of libertarians, maybe like one Democrat and maybe like seven Republicans.
But the SDNY, it's just like, you can't even trust them to be dishonest properly.
They are completely amoral crackpots.
I would not put it past them to go after even a Democrat because a Democrat was falling in line.
In fact, I would expect that.
So, yeah, Menendez, I view what, you know, like the idea that he would play politics so that he can get favors.
That's the kind of dishonesty I expect from a Menendez.
Bribery and these kind of charges are up there.
And then you look at the going after of Donald Trump, which is, you know, I guess you can call one neutral evil.
And then what SDNY is doing is like, I don't know, it's abject evil.
Like, I know that Menendez is, like, these politicians are going to do things like insider trading.
They're going to say, hey, if you fund this thing for me, I'll fund this thing for you.
And, like, they're going to have a buddy come to them and say, hey, look, man, my company needs this thing done.
Don't worry, we'll get it through committee.
Whether or not he would take gold bars in exchange for that is a leap.
So, maybe, maybe.
But I'm gonna say it, like, SDNY going after Trump, all the bullshit coming out of New York is so just egregious, I don't believe, I don't trust it.
And a good point on orgy of evidence.
vince dao
I think they're definitely after Menendez for a reason.
Whatever reason that is, it never comes up.
It's similar to the Russell Brand thing I guess, I mean, who knows if he did it or not.
But I just like but according to their story they knew Hollywood or in the entertainment industry must have known
about this so many decades Ago, but now suddenly because he is causing problems for
them now allegedly according to them suddenly they care suddenly they bring this up
tim pool
Yeah, I don't believe it I mean we talked with FBI whistleblowers this morning on
the culture war and I'm like hey We have instances of identity theft fraud and swattings and
we get no law enforcement Accountability and they're like of course yeah money. Well,
it's it's not that I think that a good portion of it is they operate as weapons of the agenda, narrative, the cathedral, etc.
Yeah.
And I think everybody would agree.
If you are an obstacle in any way and you're obstinate, you're out of the picture.
And they'll come out and they'll find a reason.
And if you're a regular person and you say, hey, I'm under attack, they'll say, we don't care.
This thing has no impact on us.
ian crossland
I did get the vibe that the 400 going after him for 400k seems like not like that's not that much.
phil labonte
I mean, like, but it is a bride.
tim pool
It's felony territory.
phil labonte
I'm torn.
Like, I don't like government prosecuting people, but I also don't like politicians and I like politicians, you know, getting prosecuted.
So I'm torn.
vince dao
Well, I think it could be true and he's guilty of all of it, but they only care because of a certain reason.
You know what I mean?
That's also a possibility.
ian crossland
Yeah, it crossed my mind.
vince dao
How many politicians are technically guilty of bribery?
Probably all of them, right?
tim pool
This is a good one right here.
Paracelsus Undirect says, the Chinese couldn't capitalize on gunpowder because the steel in the east is crap.
It's western steel that changed to gunpowder.
Interesting.
ian crossland
That is an awesome fact.
tim pool
Perhaps that is why.
They could make the powder, but they could not contain it and direct the energy properly.
phil labonte
I know Japan is well known for the steel and the swords, the katanas and stuff like that.
tim pool
So I think a lot of it has to do with China.
So Japan's an island.
So the fighting and competition there is fierce.
With the Americas, with Africa and with Eastern Europe, you have such large land masses that when conflict arose,
people could flee.
So this is true of animals.
The burrowing animals tend to be the most vicious, badgers for instance,
because they dig their way into it.
And they're stuck.
And they're stuck.
And so if a predator comes, if they don't fight, they die.
So what happens is, so let's say you have a bunch of badgers, and half of them are really nice and half of them are really mean, nice ones are all dead.
With birds, they fly away, which is why birds aren't aggressive and don't attack you, for the most part.
But I've seen, have you ever seen a bird attack somebody?
ian crossland
Those growls, those geese, they can't fly, man.
tim pool
Well, I mean, geese are different.
But I mean, I've seen someone walk near a tree with eggs, and the bird jumps out and starts, like, flapping around their head and pecking at them and stuff, and I'm like, whoa, bird's pissed!
I saw a squirrel attack somebody once, too, that was crazy.
ian crossland
It looks like in 1856, Henry Bessemer developed a method to reduce the carbon content in iron, which led to modern steel production.
tim pool
Yeah, reduction of carbon.
ian crossland
So the thousand years before that, I don't know why it didn't take off what advancements they had.
unidentified
Well, I don't think they used steel casings for a while.
tim pool
Read about the history of guns.
phil labonte
Just barrels.
tim pool
The crazy thing is how long it took to get the modern revolver.
It's like somebody, so they got muskets, and then some guys like,
what if I have like a rotating cylinder with, we can preload all of the, you know, the balls and
the powder, and what the way it worked is, same as a flintlock, and after it fired,
you would hand crank it and then set it again and fire and then hand crank it.
And then eventually they developed percussion cap.
Which is pre-loaded, but then you put percussion caps, little metal caps that have primer in them, and you stick them over the holes, and then the hammer hits it, sparking into the chamber and firing it.
And then eventually, I think it was some French dude who was like, why don't we just put it all in one thing?
Like, put the primer and the casing and the bullet all in one, then you can just put it in the gun and shoot it and take it out and put it one in and... And then it... But it was like a hundred years or something, it was crazy.
unidentified
Who gets credit- it's the Portuguese gets credited with modern firearms, right?
Portuguese?
Is that right?
tim pool
I don't think so.
I think the cartridge was a French dude.
ian crossland
Cartridge?
It sounds like a French word, yeah.
French gunsmith Casimir Lefourchoux.
tim pool
Invented the cartridge?
ian crossland
1836, the cartridge.
tim pool
Yeah.
Crazy.
And then, uh, uh, see, that's pre-Civil War.
1830s.
Yeah, 1830s.
And then in the Civil War, the Confederates were still using muzzle-loaded rifles.
vince dao
Yeah.
tim pool
The Union was as well.
Battle of Gettysburg changed the game because the Union soldiers started using, uh, I guess you'd, I guess you'd call it, uh, breech, breech-loaded shells.
I'm sorry, breech-loaded cartridges.
Paper cartridges.
So it had the bullet, It had the powder, and it was wrapped in paper, and you would basically break action, and then they would stick it in the back and then close it, and then they could fire with a percussion cap, and they were ten times faster than the Confederates.
vince dao
You know what's crazy is the Union had access to the 1860 Henry, which was a lever-action rifle, right?
I think one of the first, or the first ever invented.
And in theory, they probably could have mass-adapted to it, which back then, they'd be like giving every- Are you sure about that?
Yeah, by giving every infantryman a machine gun.
tim pool
1860?
vince dao
1860 Henry is the first major lever action in America, yeah.
tim pool
Was it invented in 1860?
vince dao
I think that's why it's called the 1860 Henry.
And then there's 1866 after that.
unidentified
Wow.
vince dao
But I guess the Union wouldn't adapt it on a... I think some sharpshooters had it actually, but the Union wouldn't adapt it on a mass level because they were scared people were going to waste bullets.
unidentified
Wow.
vince dao
Which... Whoa.
Which, you think how differently the war could have gone, and I think... I'm pretty sure that actually carried over to the same logic kinda screwed us up in Vietnam, too, in the beginning, because... Well, there was 1,731 Henry rifles used by the government in the Civil War, and it was a point of pride to have one.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Wow, man.
So in Vietnam, they were using like M1s or something?
vince dao
Right, because they had the M1A, M14.
And the Soviets, early in the war, the Viet Cong actually, I think, outclassed us because they had AKs already.
But the thinking in the military brass even then was, oh, the soldiers are all going to waste ammo if we, you know, give them... Full auto.
Yeah.
tim pool
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vince dao
Yeah, be sure to subscribe to my YouTube channel, just Vince Thao.
That's my name, D-A-O.
And, you know, you can look that name up on other socials as well, but YouTube.
So, yeah, go subscribe to the channel.
tim pool
Right on.
phil labonte
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The band is All That Remains.
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ian crossland
Thank you, Rockstar.
Cheers.
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You can follow me at Ian Crossland on Twix or any other social network.
Happy to oblige.
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That's Twitter.
vince dao
Vince Dow TV.
ian crossland
Get over here, Elon, so I stop making fun of you.
Love you guys.
vince dao
See you later.
unidentified
I didn't know what Twix... Brett's been doing that all week.
I had no idea what Twix is.
phil labonte
I got it from Brett.
unidentified
Okay.
Huge shout out to Carter Banks for pressing buttons all week.
You're a Rockstar man.
You guys can follow me at kellenpdl and get your Miami tickets.
You have one week left.
Do it.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll be back next.
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