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Sept. 17, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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I'm going to be doing a little bit of a commentary on the stream. | |
| I'm going to be doing a little bit of a commentary on the stream. | ||
| So, I don't know what the deal is, but it's taking a long time for Rumble to pick up our stream over the past couple | ||
| of days. | ||
| It's really annoying. | ||
| So what happens is when we start the live stream, we actually can't see if we're live or not for a long time. | ||
| And so that means, like, it's weird. | ||
| Well, we just waited like three or four minutes with the stream going, like, and nothing was responding. | ||
| So, I don't know, whatever. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| I love the Rumble guys. | ||
| They're making things better and better and better. | ||
| But I just wanted to let you guys know the reason why it took a few minutes longer is because they're probably working on make it better. | ||
| So it is what it is. | ||
| But let's talk about this. | ||
| During the main show, Katie, you mentioned that your liberal friends have no kids and your conservative friends have 12. | ||
| I know, I know, I'm taking the extreme ends. | ||
| But no, I really do have friends with 12 kids. | ||
| Yeah, we've talked about this quite a bit. | ||
| In the 2000s, there was a study that said liberals were having, I think, 1.5 kids and conservatives are having 2.03 kids. | ||
| Now, we see the Pew research from a few years ago showing that while Gen Z is almost identical to Millennials politically, in some areas they actually tick slightly more conservative. | ||
| And I think that's probably because... You're now seeing the first wave of conservatives that are very serious about training of their kids. | ||
| If you have, if liberals have a hundred kids and conservatives have a hundred and fifty kids, And then indoctrination stuff is influential. | ||
| You'll end up with 110 liberal adults and 140 conservative adults. | ||
| Like, there will be some pull in the other direction, we can expect, if we expect that. | ||
| But conservatives will have an edge just because they're making more people. | ||
| Yeah, well, and I will say that something has happened among conservative parents, even in the last 10 years, which is where like, they were like, well, it's okay, like, I'm going to be able to now. | ||
| And now conservative parents are like, it's war. | ||
| I know it. | ||
| And I'm going to equip my kids. | ||
| So like we there really has been, you know, a red pill. | ||
| I mean, even among kind of non-political adult. | ||
| The culture has gone that crazy that it has radicalized a lot of ordinary parents to say, I'm going to get very, very serious about either homeschooling, pulling them out, or just, you know, moving, leaving the state. | ||
| I mean, like, there has been an exodus from, I say, like, not through the Red Sea, but to the Red States. | ||
| There has been an exodus, right? | ||
| We have people call in on occasion saying, I want to leave where I am to be in a different state. | ||
| I was going to ask, Sorry, just to address that. | ||
| There was a story that I read. | ||
| I don't want to move on from the subject, but put a pin in that. | ||
| There was a story a guy wrote that his daughter was trans, that the school kept telling her she was a boy, changed her pronouns, cut her hair, she was depressed, she attempted suicide, and so he moved her out of the state to a rural area, and within a few months she was totally better. | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| One of the stories, a similar one, was a guy saying that when his school came to him and said that his daughter was trans, he immediately agreed completely and was like, really? | ||
| He's like, okay, let me know what I need to do. | ||
| We're gonna make sure we affirm her and keep her safe. | ||
| And then, a couple weeks later, he went to the school and said, job's transferring me. | ||
| I really do appreciate all your help. | ||
| We'll make sure she gets her treatment. | ||
| Moved to the middle of nowhere. | ||
| Cured. | ||
| Yeah, no, I have had friends whose kids have come out as trans or had very serious issues. | ||
| The state is not on your... I mean, Washington state, it's nuts. | ||
| They're not on your side. | ||
| And they have left the state because they could lose their kid. | ||
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Yeah, it's dangerous. | |
| Yeah, they'll sterilize your kid. | ||
| They could. | ||
| But if you want to... Oh, yeah, I was just gonna ask, because you mentioned before that you encourage people to have people who are slightly ahead of them in parenting. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Who was that for you? | ||
| And also what do you advise to give to parents when you are that person for them? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, so you find them. | ||
| We actually chose our house because it was a couple of houses down from a mom that I admired and she had kids that were a little older than my kids. | ||
| And I thought, I just want to watch her. | ||
| I mean, that was one of the reasons why we chose our house. | ||
| So go to church, find the people, right? | ||
| Do this with your marriage too. | ||
| Like my husband and I both came from divorced homes and we didn't know what it looked like to work through problems and have healthy disagreements and be faithful to one another. | ||
| In the midst of challenges. | ||
| And so the church discipled us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, when we got married, they were like, well, you know, what's marriage? | ||
| I'm like, I don't care. | ||
| He's totally hot. | ||
| Everything's going to be okay. | ||
| I was like, we were idiots. | ||
| We were totally idiots. | ||
| How old were you when you got married? | ||
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22. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So you were like, it doesn't matter. | ||
| And you know, we'd never seen it modeled for us. | ||
| And so we needed the church to show us how. | ||
| So do it with marriage. | ||
| Do it with parenting. | ||
| Find people you admire who have worked through the issues. | ||
| And all serious, don't listen to people that tell you that you need 50 body counts before you should. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I got lots of issues with the single people online giving relationship advice. | ||
| So that's right. | ||
| Don't listen to relationship advice from people that have not built, maintained thriving marriages and have kids that you admire. | ||
| It's crazy to me that people have been able to make a career, single guys and women. | ||
| Esther Peral, the divorced therapist, she's one of the top podcasts that people go to. | ||
| And you want to be like, not that your heart is not in the right place, but if you don't have the outcome that I'm looking for, why would I take your instruction manual? | ||
| To be fair, I often look to the people who lost their sporting events for the best advice, you know, instead of going to the people who are currently winning. | ||
| You know, losing love, it does wake you up to what not to do. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| I've been through that. | ||
| I know how not to fuck it up again. | ||
| You know, I think it's actually really simple. | ||
| I think that human pair bonding typically occurs in younger ages than we actually expect. | ||
| And so this is like high school age into college is when you are high school sweetheart, you date, you're older, then you get married. | ||
| And what happens is if you are 18 and you are in a relationship, That is a tiny portion of your life. | ||
| And if you remain in that relationship and get married by the time you're in your 30s, half your life is built with and around this person. | ||
| You share so much. | ||
| You experience a lot of the same things. | ||
| You have so much in common. | ||
| What's happening now is they're saying, fuck around, do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| And now you've got 30 year old women being like, I can't find a husband or someone to be with me and men as well. | ||
| And it's like, well, yeah, your whole life is this track. | ||
| His whole life is this track, and they are incongruous. | ||
| So this is cornerstone versus capstone marriage, okay? | ||
| So we used to have cornerstone marriages, where you would meet when you were 18, date for a while, get married when you're 20, 22, 24, and it was the cornerstone of your life. | ||
| And then you would build around that cornerstone together. | ||
| You'd form a foundation together, and you would build your home together. | ||
| Now, I mean, sorry, fit and fresh. | ||
| Fresh and fit. | ||
| Fresh and fit. | ||
| They were saying, don't do that. | ||
| First, build your career, get your dating prowess on, get enough money. | ||
| So they're thinking about marriage as a capstone. | ||
| First, I'm going to put my life in place, and then I'm going to ding, put a cherry on top. | ||
| Like you said, Tim, that's not how we're wired. | ||
| That's not how our bodies are wired. | ||
| And if you are going to hit all the body counts, with the good dad that he was debating against, he was talking about sort of the chemicals. | ||
| That guy was cool. | ||
| He was awesome. | ||
| That's the kind of guy that you should follow. | ||
| And what he was talking about is you can't mess around, especially with sex, without it chemically impacting you, right? | ||
| You can't hug for more than 20 seconds without increasing oxytocin levels in your body. | ||
| That is a chemical response that is conditioning you that is going to develop pathways for future behavior. | ||
| So if you are doing that, especially with sex, which disproportionately it affects women more, right, that oxytocin Both men and women have the oxytocin release. | ||
| Men's testosterone dampens it. | ||
| Estrogen levels in women increase it. | ||
| Women are more likely to feel connected. | ||
| They have to kill that connection to be, you know, the feminized icon. | ||
| Part of hookup culture. | ||
| Yeah, part of hookup culture. | ||
| But they have to kill a big part of themselves to do that. | ||
| So you really are messing with your chemical wiring and your emotional wiring if you think that you're going to And they're like, well, test drive the car, right? | ||
| That was their big analogy, test drive the car. | ||
| No, like, the more you hook up and the more you shack up, the less likely that marriage, that relationship is to lead to marriage, the more likely it is to break up if it leads to marriage. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you this. | ||
| When Chelsea Handler made that video about how she wakes up at six in the morning, smokes pot, masturbates and goes back to bed. | ||
| You had a bunch of conservatives being like, you know, Ben Shapiro's like, that woman is miserable. | ||
| She's miserable, absolutely miserable. | ||
| And I was like, no, she's not. | ||
| Like, you could make the argument, fine. | ||
| But in her mind, in her world, I'm pretty sure smoking pot, doing drugs and masturbating feels pretty good. | ||
| Happiness is different than fulfillment. | ||
| However, when she's in the hospital, after suffering a sudden cardiac event, and the doctor comes in and says, I'm sorry, Ms. | ||
| Handler, There's nothing we can do. | ||
| Is there anyone we should call? | ||
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| No. | ||
| I was going to say, well, okay, we're here if you need us. | ||
| And then she's going to be sitting in this sterile room, staring at a dark blue wall, just thinking nothing, alone, fading out of existence. | ||
| The thing about marriage and children is it is high investment in the short term. | ||
| Well, it takes a while, right? | ||
| But it is, it is costly, right? | ||
| To commit to one person, to have To bear children, have children, raise children. | ||
| It is high investment. | ||
| It does cost you something. | ||
| But the long-term return... | ||
| What if those kids become Hollywood movie stars? | ||
| Well, what if your kids are just awesome teenagers like mine who are, you know, soccer stars and raising chickens and, you know, drawing- Raising chickens! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's my language. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, well, and that's what happened. | ||
| The pandemic happened and my daughter was like, I want chickens. | ||
| I'm like, fine, you're going to be home all day. | ||
| So we got chickens. | ||
| Typical. | ||
| I think this happened to you. | ||
| She like hand selected nine chicks, her precious chicks, and five of them were roosters. | ||
| So she is like a frontier woman, so she learned to slaughter them. | ||
| She's like a frontier woman. | ||
| She was 14 when we got her. | ||
| She's a frontier woman. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| And raised in Seattle, our frontier woman. | ||
| Oh my gosh, we were so over the limit of number of chickens you could have in your yard. | ||
| The fact that there's even a limit, gross. | ||
| We were, they shut the bridge down to Harper's Ferry, basically to West Virginia, and it's fucked everything up. | ||
| I tried the detour. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It was like two miles of cars not moving. | ||
| It's crazy because it's a rural back road. | ||
| Anyway, though, as we were sitting there in traffic, not moving for 10 minutes, I looked to my right and there were just chickens along the side of the road. | ||
| And it was because the person who lived there just opens the door and lets the chickens go do their thing. | ||
| It's whatever. | ||
| Yeah, chicken life, chicken life. | ||
| Why do they cross the road? | ||
| They don't, they actually never will. | ||
| Because the bridge is closed, that's why. | ||
| Yeah, they're desperate to get somewhere. | ||
| But what were we just talking about before chickens took over the conversation? | ||
| Jason Howerton, that's the guy that was on the Fresh and Fit podcast that was dropping the mad dad knowledge. | ||
| I read, I listened to this, do you know NPR's Hidden Brain? | ||
| They do the sociology podcast. | ||
| They had an episode on, and I listened to it a long time ago, talking about parenting and saying their different styles. | ||
| But one of the things I found most interesting was someone who's on made the observation that And I think this applies to you because you are writing a parenting book that parenting books exist in the modern culture because we left a culture where you were around younger children. | ||
| You were around, first because of birth control, right? | ||
| People had fewer children. | ||
| So you're not seeing your younger siblings being raised. | ||
| You're maybe not around nieces and nephews as much as people would have been. | ||
| And we have a more transient culture. | ||
| You're not necessarily raising them in a A compound, right? | ||
| With this extended family. | ||
| Or even a small town where you grew up, yeah. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so you don't have the aunts around you, the grandmas, the cousins, all of that. | ||
| And I mean, you listen to people who maybe had one or two siblings when they were growing up. | ||
| I think most of us grew up in the era where there was like two parents, sorry, two kids. | ||
| A lot of people don't hold babies and they're not around babies a lot anymore. | ||
| And so then you have babies and you're like, I don't really know how I know multiple men who have told me the first diaper they ever changed was their own child's diaper. | ||
| They had never interacted with an infant like that before. | ||
| They'd never been caring for one like that. | ||
| I don't even like holding other people's babies. | ||
| Yeah, they cry. | ||
| Because you think you're going to drop them? | ||
| What's the fear? | ||
| It's a tremendous amount of responsibility for the most important thing in that person's life. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| And people will be like, hold my baby. | ||
| And I'm like, it is the most important thing in the world to you. | ||
| And I cannot have that responsibility in my hands. | ||
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I'm sorry. | |
| Well, sit on the floor with him then. | ||
| Yeah, that's fine. | ||
| Like, I like, kids are awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's fun to teach kids and stuff like that. | ||
| But like, I don't, I, oh man, it would be like a nightmare scenario to screw up holding someone's baby. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you know what? | ||
| Dads don't hold them anyway. | ||
| They toss them. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You throw them in the air. | ||
| Bill was holding his daughter on his knee and she was like bending. | ||
| Allie was like, what are you doing? | ||
| He's like, it's okay. | ||
| And she was like, just stretching like full. | ||
| It is okay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you find that with your liberal friends, there is a fear of having children or does it lean more selfish? | ||
| Cause I think there are a lot of people who are fearful. | ||
| I'm going to mess it up. | ||
| I'm not with the right person. | ||
| Like they haven't either reached the capstone or there's some internal fear of children. | ||
| No, not as much fear, more selfishness. | ||
| Some of that is like, I don't want this to interrupt. | ||
| But a lot of it really is, this is not good for the planet. | ||
| Like, this is bad for the planet. | ||
| And do you think that's Seattle-specific, or do you think that's liberal? | ||
| No, I think that's liberal-wide, that this is bad for the planet. | ||
| And they're like, overpopulation. | ||
| I'm like, over? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| That is so like a 30-year-old narrative. | ||
| We are heading for a demographic winter. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| South Korea probably will not be able to pull themselves out. | ||
| Japan is better. | ||
| They were there at 9.91. | ||
| South Korea shocked everybody came in at .79. | ||
| And so that is actually a population trajectory that they really may not be able to reverse. | ||
| Like we were talking about the elimination of nations. | ||
| Well, yeah, but like, I don't really care that liberals aren't having kids. | ||
| Well, I will tell you the whole ideology is an anti-life ideology. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| And so they're sterilizing, aborting and just outright not having kids. | ||
| And my attitude is I'm not a conservative. | ||
| I am not one of these like, oh, these poor people are so misled. | ||
| And I'm more libertarian. | ||
| So I'm like, guys, they can live the life they want to live and wake up at six in the morning, do drugs and masturbate. | ||
| And then in 20 years, they won't exist anymore. | ||
| And it will just be you. | ||
| So you know what it you know what it takes to be a conservative these days is living in reality. | ||
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Oh, I know, I know. | |
| They call me conservative. | ||
| That's why we call our book Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City, teaching economic, biological, and historical reality. | ||
| That is literally what it means to be a conservative. | ||
| So you're a conservative, Tim. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| I think at this point, conservative means fact-based and liberal means cult-based. | ||
| That's just, because they're like, you know, far right, Tim Pugh. | ||
| I'm like, the headlines, someone mentioned this earlier in the Super Chat, that media-biased fact check, it's a website, calls us like far right, almost extreme right. | ||
| And if you look at our headlines to articles, it's like, you know, impeachment inquiry opened it to Joe Biden. | ||
| And then you look at the Daily Mail and it's like, Hunter Biden smokes crack, buys gun, caught lying. | ||
| It's like, okay, you know, whatever. | ||
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I'll spice up my headlines, Tim, I promise. | |
| Actually, I would say a lot of the outlets have slowly stopped doing that because it's this weird thing that doesn't work anymore, accusing someone of being far right. | ||
| But they will call TimCast IRL a conservative or a right-wing podcast. | ||
| And I'm just like, that just proves they've never seen it. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| They've never watched a single episode. | ||
| And it's this simple. | ||
| Joe Biden did commit crimes. | ||
| Period. | ||
| End of story. | ||
| Have a nice day. | ||
| They don't believe these things, they don't investigate these things, and pointing out facts is conservative. | ||
| It's not about what your politics are. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| It's reality. | ||
| They call Jimmy Dore far-right. | ||
| Jimmy Dore is an outright socialist. | ||
| We talk about the topics that the far-right talks about, but it's not a far-right fucking... None of us are far-right on this show. | ||
| We have guests on that would be on far-right shows. | ||
| That is framed incorrectly. | ||
| We talk about the biggest stories of the day correctly. | ||
| When we start Timcast IRL, I don't say, what are the right-wing people talking about today? | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| I'm not looking for the deep, weird, Jewish shit like the... I'm not talking about that. | ||
| I am not saying, what have the conservatives talked about today? | ||
| I'm saying, what's the headline on the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and the Daily Mail? | ||
| What are the biggest stories today? | ||
| And it's like, an impeachment inquiry was opened into Joe Biden. | ||
| There's our headline. | ||
| That's the big news. | ||
| Everyone's talking about it. | ||
| We cover it. | ||
| We then say, hey look, here's a video of Joe Biden engaging in a quid pro quo. | ||
| Ah, they're conservative. | ||
| I'm like, but the video exists! | ||
| Simply by reporting on it, we're conservative. | ||
| This is the thing. | ||
| It's conserving reality. | ||
| Jeez, dude, Washington Post is all about the Bidens today. | ||
| We do not talk about conservative issues. | ||
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No, we don't. | |
| You don't think so? | ||
| We talk, no. | ||
| We talk about family and God. | ||
| No, no, no, no, I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm saying the premise of Timcast IRL is not, what's the big conservative story today? | ||
| The premise is, what is the big story today? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And so you'll often find the headline of the Daily Mail, not always, because sometimes it's like Kanye or something, Typically, what's the big trend on Google Trends? | ||
| And that's what we're talking about. | ||
| The only problem is, we tell the truth, we break it down, and we discuss and debate the issue. | ||
| The left is a cult. | ||
| So if they say, there's no evidence of an impeachment, and we say, here's a big list of evidence that literally exists and has nothing to do... You can come on this show and be like, I love Joe Biden, and he did all of those things. | ||
| You're conservative. | ||
| Well, and there are stories that we talk about that are big and meaningful, like Owen Troyer, right? | ||
| We were talking about him and what he's experiencing, the fact that he's getting charged with convicted of trespassing but going to jail because of his speech, and the mainstream media is not talking about that. | ||
| No, no, no, I disagree. | ||
| That was a huge story for the day that all of the leftists and liberals were talking about. | ||
| I feel like it was a big story, but just from my perspective in the writer's room, it's not something that CNN is talking about as much. | ||
| NBC was covering it a little bit more. | ||
| We're talking about things that are meaningful and powerful. | ||
| Oh, right, but the liberal journosphere was obsessed with the story. | ||
| Right, but the journosphere doesn't always reach mainstream Americans. | ||
| But my point is that if liberal journalists like Ryan Reilly are going on Twitter and saying, Owen Schroer, Owen Schroer, and they won't shut up about it, and I say, let's talk about that, That is my point. | ||
| We do not just cover stories that are something conservatives are talking about. | ||
| This is big political news and cultural news and we talk about it. | ||
| But the point I'm bringing up is, if you tell the truth, conservative. | ||
| So I say, Joe Biggs did not commit a crime that warrants two decades in prison. | ||
| I think he deserves some jail time for tearing down a fence and going in the building. | ||
| What does that look like? | ||
| I mean, reasonably, a couple months. | ||
| He got two and a half years. | ||
| Let's call it a day, conservative. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| I'm pro-choice and pro-progressive tax. | ||
| Don't matter. | ||
| Don't even matter. | ||
| Conservative doesn't mean that anymore. | ||
| It's like, okay, whatever. | ||
| One of the things we got to do is not call Joe Biden a criminal, because he's technically innocent until proven guilty. | ||
| He's admitted to crimes. | ||
| That doesn't mean that he is a criminal. | ||
| He's corrupt, but it doesn't mean that he's a criminal. | ||
| But I do want to stress, not to get too far off the beaten, too far away from the subject is, Yeah, I think we're two generations away from this current iteration of liberalism ceasing to exist. | ||
| And people keep saying, that's not true, Tim, they're indoctrinated kids. | ||
| And I'm like, no, you're wrong. | ||
| Look at the pushback we're seeing in Loudoun County. | ||
| Look at the pushback in Florida. | ||
| Parents are, this is why they're freaking out. | ||
| Their indoctrination isn't working, and they don't have kids of their own. | ||
| Bye-bye. | ||
| How did you do it? | ||
| How did you navigate four kids in Seattle? | ||
| At least vaguely, generally, how did you do it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, so there's a book. | ||
| But basically, you need to apply age-appropriate strategies to inculcate your worldview in developmental ways. | ||
| That's the bottom line. | ||
| So we sort of break it down like, what are you going to do in elementary school? | ||
| What are you doing in middle school? | ||
| What are you doing in high school? | ||
| You know, we talk a lot about how you can teach what you know, but you replicate what you are. | ||
| And so if you want your kids to be knowledgeable, to be able to stand firm, to be able to push back, to be able to sort fact from fiction, you'd better be able to do that, right? | ||
| You need to be an expert enough on the topics that need to be conserved. | ||
| Like we didn't call it raising anti-woke kids or anti-left kids. | ||
| We said raising conservative kids because there are specific things that are under attack right now that need to be conserved. | ||
| They're not new ideas. | ||
| They're old ideas. | ||
| They're the best ideas from economics and biology and history that need to be conserved. | ||
| What are those things right now that are under attack that you need to be an expert on? | ||
| You need to know enough about the founding of America, male-female, parent-child relationships, the nature of rights, religious freedom. | ||
| Protections, that kind of thing. | ||
| These are the things under attack. | ||
| These are the things you need to fortify your kids in. | ||
| You need to be an expert on this. | ||
| And I want to say one thing before we go to callers. | ||
| I am not Christian. | ||
| I believe in God. | ||
| But I actually think the Ten Commandments are pretty important. | ||
| You are correct. | ||
| You now get another 1000 points. | ||
| We talked about it a bit with Seamus. | ||
| We went through them and I said, if you think about what the commandments are outside of a religious context, try and view them secularly. | ||
| Overwhelmingly, they can be applied to a good moral life regardless of whether you believe in God or not. | ||
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Right. | |
| But I don't want to rehash that. | ||
| We're going to go to callers now. | ||
| So let's do that. | ||
| And maybe we'll have that conversation tomorrow morning. | ||
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Okay. | |
| It's a good one. | ||
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We're on mute. | |
| Let us speak to... I have to shoot your name here. | ||
| Are we on mute? | ||
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Crondor. | |
| I was on mute for a second there. | ||
| Crondor! | ||
| He's back! | ||
| How are you? | ||
| Good to talk to you again. | ||
| Hey, good evening, everybody. | ||
| How are you guys doing? | ||
| Very fun. | ||
| Here he is. | ||
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So my question was, so what are your thoughts on what the state of the nation is going to be between November 2024 and January 20th, 2025? | |
| And as a result of like what happened last time, Do you think we need to kind of, like, revamp that period of time where- or give it more time so that people can do their legal processes or maybe even shorten it so that they can't? | ||
| I mean, what do you guys think? | ||
| Nope, because whoever wins will say no. | ||
| If Trump wins, the Democrats will file suit, and the right's gonna be like, fuck you, no. | ||
| And if the left wins, the right's gonna be like, we should sue, and the left's gonna be like, fuck you, no. | ||
| It is gonna be crazy as fuck. | ||
| And I just- I just gotta say, guys, like, tell me a reasonable scenario. | ||
| Just, please. | ||
| Where there is not chaos following the results of the 2024 election. | ||
| If Biden wins, if Trump wins, I think Biden drops out. | ||
| I am of the strong position right now, I believe that Biden will drop out. | ||
| And I do have a piece of me being like, man, I don't know for sure, but I just cannot, two things I can't see. | ||
| I can't see Biden actually running, because if he does, it's a sure shot to losing, period, end of story. | ||
| If he does remain in, this overlaps the other scenario in that they pull Trump's name off the ballot, there's some fuckery, and then... But let's just say, right now, the election's totally normal. | ||
| Trump runs, Biden wins, everyone smiles, shakes hands. | ||
| Then the results come in. | ||
| Everything burns to the fucking ground, no matter who the winner is. | ||
| Democrats won't accept Trump, Trump supporters won't accept Joe Biden or Democrats. | ||
| I just, I don't see it. | ||
| Yeah, it's almost better that neither one of those guys runs for president, but... No, no, that doesn't even matter either. | ||
| Make him go away isn't the way to look at it. | ||
| If they're calling Viveka 9-11 Truth-er, they call Ron DeSantis, they imply he's like with young girls and stuff like this. | ||
| What is Truth-er? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I've heard it for years, but what does it mean? | ||
| It means you believe that- False truth? | ||
| 9-11 is an inside job. | ||
| So it's just about 9-11? | ||
| They don't go- Truth-er means you reject the official narrative of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It comes from 9-11 Truth-er. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But now, you know, people have applied it to other things. | ||
| But, uh, yeah. | ||
| Bro, I gotta be honest, I think your question's fairly obvious. | ||
| You know, there are a lot of people who are like, Tim, you need to go touch grass. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, I go out all the fucking time. | ||
| I was in Portland, Maine. | ||
| I was in the Outer Banks. | ||
| I go to National Harbor in D.C. | ||
| and hang out with regular old people at a poker table. | ||
| And I am telling you, fuck me, dude, it's gonna be nuts. | ||
| You know, the closest I see to normalcy is when a dude at the poker table says, you know, I don't really follow any of that stuff. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah. | ||
| And then three of the other guys at the table are talking shit about Joe Biden and the Democrats and like, I don't know, man. | ||
| Politics is pop culture. | ||
| And come 2024, the results come in. | ||
| I do not, I cannot envision a clean scenario. | ||
| Trump's name gets pulled from a single ballot, wrong size ballot images, videos of people covering up the windows. | ||
| You need one. | ||
| All it takes is one, and then people are gonna be like, I refuse, and it's gonna be nuts. | ||
| Peaceful transition of power. | ||
| Yeah, I don't see that happening. | ||
| Yeah, me either. | ||
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Suddenly also all the lefties start saying bootlicker again. | |
| Yeah, but Grondor, do you wanna elaborate on that, or was that sufficient? | ||
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No, I agree with you. | |
| I can't see anything playing out without someone throwing a brick through a window and just having the domino effect of everything burning down to the ground after that. | ||
| Get away from cities. | ||
| Here's what I would do, and I don't want to give anyone advice because you've got to be responsible for your own safety because your circumstances are unique, but if it were me, I would not be in a city, and I just have some emergency supplies. | ||
| Yeah, get to know your neighbors. | ||
| Get to know your neighbors. | ||
| Because worst case scenario is that there's chaos outside your house, and if you know your neighbors, you guys will be ready for it, and it won't happen. | ||
| But I do think it's fair to say it's not going to be immediately after the election is called, like the early morning hours. | ||
| It could be two months later, like we saw with January 6th. | ||
| I mean, it could be fucking crazy. | ||
| I mean, look, look, in 2020, the Democrats envisioned a scenario where West Coast states would be pressured to secede from the Union if Trump wins. | ||
| There's a John Podesta thing. | ||
| Yep, yep, Boston Globe reported this, so y'all get ready. | ||
| But, uh, was that good? | ||
| Should we advance the concern? | ||
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No, that was great. | |
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I was wondering if I could ask a question maybe after everybody else is done or if there's time. | ||
| You should just ask it now. | ||
| Yeah, so it's faster. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I wanted to ask you this yesterday, because you were talking about people, you know, plugging into the metaverse and then just being fed bugs. | ||
| But what were your thoughts about the holodeck on Star Trek? | ||
| And, you know, and its parallels too, so I'm plugging into it. | ||
| Because even, like, Picard at times would, like, you know, escape into, like, one of his Sherlock Holmes, you know, things. | ||
| And I mean, what are your thoughts on those parallels? | ||
| So, the holodeck, amazing. | ||
| If we ever had anything like that. | ||
| It's funny because they didn't understand VR and computer brain interface. | ||
| What is a holodeck? | ||
| It's like a room. | ||
| A room that can become anything. | ||
| And it's infinite space when the room becomes the jungle, you're actually in a jungle. | ||
| You don't like walking through a wall. | ||
| Because it's a treadmill, actually. | ||
| It's like what you guys are describing in your video games. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But like, you walk into a room, you say, computer, Sherlock Holmes, and all of a sudden you are Sherlock Holmes. | ||
| The thing about that is, let's be real. | ||
| It's a publicly accessible room on a ship full of your peers and colleagues. | ||
| People wouldn't do all that crazy of stuff with it. | ||
| Now, in their homes back on Earth, It would be the most fucked up psychotic porn machine ever devised. | ||
| Dude, that should be an episode of Star Trek where, like, Riker's like, yo, you see the shit that Picard was doing in the fuckin' holodeck at his house? | ||
| No, no, it's gotta be like, that's a parody we could do, where it's like, no one's gonna go on, like, let's say you're on a military ship, and they have a video game console or computer with a big screen that anyone can look at, no one's gonna blast porn on it unless they're doing it as a gag where they're, like, trying to prank and be like, ah, look what we just pulled up. | ||
| But in their own home. | ||
| So you could do a bit where it's like, yeah, I'm gonna pick up Picard for the meeting we got and he shows up and he's like, Jean-Luc, are you in here? | ||
| And then he walks in and then he's like, he must be playing holodeck and he opens it and there's just like lizard people banging Sasquatch. | ||
| They prank him on his birthday, they put a virus in the deck and he's like, Holodeck. | ||
| Computer, take me to the front lines of the Battle of- and then he's in a brothel and he's like, no I said slow down, computer, slow down! | ||
| The virus would be him being like, play porn scenario 14. | ||
| And then he sees a beautiful woman and he's like, perfect. | ||
| And then all of a sudden the woman turns into Sasquatch and he's like, no, no! | ||
| But anyway, yeah. | ||
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Yeah, I just I just remember that one episode where Jordy makes a copy of this girl he likes and he's trying to date her in there. | |
| And I'm like, that's just that's so on the surface. | ||
| One of the episodes was he creates a he has the computer create using a personnel, the Starfleet profile of the scientist. | ||
| He needs help designing or fixing some engineering problem. | ||
| The scientist is a woman. | ||
| The computer makes her agreeable and amicable and to work with him, and then he gets attracted to her, meets her in real life. | ||
| She's a bitch, and she's married. | ||
| She finds out that he created this thing of her and she's like, you are a bitch. | ||
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It's easier to have feelings for people that can't argue with you. | |
| Thanks guys. | ||
| Thanks for calling in. | ||
| Cheers. | ||
| This is literally why you've got Japanese men that are marrying anime characters. | ||
| You know that in Japan, they have like business chains of masturbation stations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I was in Japan, I kept seeing this like logo, like a sign that I didn't know what it was. | ||
| And then finally I was like, what is that thing we see all over the place? | ||
| And they're like, oh, it's for masturbating. | ||
| And I was like, what? | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| And they're like, let's go check it out. | ||
| And so we went in and they have dirty women's panties. | ||
| They have rooms. | ||
| Some of the rooms are on camera. | ||
| You can watch because some people get off on being watched on camera while they do it. | ||
| There are stained clothes. | ||
| So is this just like, here's some relief so you can go back and focus on your job kind of thing? | ||
| It's like in the middle of work, you go to the masturbation station. | ||
| Instead of doing it in public. | ||
| Yeah, Japanese people would be crazy. | ||
| So you don't get caught on camera, tubing? | ||
| People want to be on camera. | ||
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Anyways, Panda-ish, how are you? | |
| Hey, what's going on, Serge? | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| Um, you know, just listening to interesting conversations. | ||
| So I want to white pill people a little bit. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| It's more for Tim on Trash House Records. | ||
| So imagine a year and a half from now, you know, Trump's president, Vivek's vice president, and Cass Cafe is going, your stage is up and running, and you're running a show like The Voice. | ||
| Brett's your host, like Ryan Seacrest, and Ian, Phil, and Carter are your judges. | ||
| Now you're in fantasy land. | ||
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Well, I mean, Brett has blonde hair now, so he could be. | |
| He's kind of grown out, I guess. | ||
| He could be a good Ryan Seacrest. | ||
| I'm more likely to build a carbon fiber graphene wingsuit and try and fly off the top of my building than to do what you described. | ||
| I gotta be honest, a carbon fiber graphene wingsuit, we should do that. | ||
| My goal is to have one of your songs play at the inauguration or whoever. | ||
| I don't care who wins. | ||
| I just want to hear Tim Cass music performed at a live event. | ||
| We'd have to write a song. | ||
| I think we got a million to one. | ||
| I don't think we need a bridge either. | ||
| Oh actually that could theoretically work. | ||
| That's a good political message because like you're up against the mass. | ||
| But it works for Trump's style of the music he kind of plays. | ||
| It's not too aggressive. | ||
| It's like Survivor kind of. | ||
| Vivek could use it at one of his rallies. | ||
| I just want to, I don't know. | ||
| I think it's cool that like there are many branches of this company that span lots of cultural interests that you could be hearing something that's attached to this podcast, but it could just be a song that you like. | ||
| It doesn't have to be because you like this candidate or because whatever. | ||
| You just like what we're producing. | ||
| Was it Pandish's suggestion that you didn't like? | ||
| Is it just the contest of the voice itself you don't want anything to do with? | ||
| Or do you not want... I mean, the whole thing about the voice is just awful in my opinion. | ||
| The voice. | ||
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Yeah, who wants to do that? | |
| Those reality shows, those reality competition shows, they're pretty new in human culture, like 20 years new. | ||
| And I think it's done massive disservice to these people that want the I mean, it's like Eurovision, isn't it? | ||
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Yeah, it's not like Eurovision. | |
| Yeah, it's just, they make karaoke contests. | ||
| Yeah, where you, like, come out of obscurity. | ||
| What was it, Pandesh, was that your question? | ||
| That you would suggest we would do something of this sort? | ||
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Well, I mean, because if anything, you guys would be able to push out actual, like, rock and alternative people actually playing music instead of all this friggin' auto-tune crap. | |
| I would end up being like Simon Cowell. | ||
| I would really criticize... I would have to be honest. | ||
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And if they're not... We just have three Simon Cowells back to back to back. | |
| These shows are covers. | ||
| It's not original music. | ||
| It's taking existing pop culture music, having someone sing it, and profiting off of it. | ||
| I wouldn't want to do something like that. | ||
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Well, no, you'd have them do their actual music instead. | |
| But then it's just like... But then we might as well just sign bands that are good and just have them do shows. | ||
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You'll have us as members be able to vote for people that we think would actually help you because you'll be signing them, but we'll be like, oh yeah, that person's music or that band's music. | |
| I think doing anything like The Voice would tarnish the credibility of the bands that were involved in it. | ||
| What if you did a music festival? | ||
| What if Trash House gets so big you guys can have an annual music festival? | ||
| I mean, that'd be great. | ||
| That'd be so cool. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I like the idea of white-pilling. | ||
| I'm not trying to discourage this. | ||
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Yeah, definitely. | |
| And I think there are lots of cool things that our various projects could grow into, including Trash House. | ||
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White pills all around. | |
| We could probably get like a field and set up a bunch of benches. | ||
| We have a field. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We do. | ||
| We have 50 acres. | ||
| Just get a bunch of fencing and then giant stadium, like not stadium seating, but benches, like, I don't know, benches. | ||
| I would, I would. | ||
| Sermon on the Mount, baby. | ||
| I would just do a show. | ||
| I would never do a voice kind of thing. | ||
| No judges. | ||
| None of that. | ||
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Not worth it. | |
| You know, I would have a show and be like, that was great. | ||
| Like, if we had our own tiny desk, you know the NPR thing, where people come play their music? | ||
| That would be cool. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I mean, we're setting up the music thing for here for Fridays. | ||
| Yeah, I think that would be cool. | ||
| The only reason we didn't is because we thought we were gonna be at Freedomistan by now, but we're just not because government takes forever. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Dammit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Panda-ish? | |
| Anything else to add? | ||
| Yeah, real quick, Orville already did the HoloPorn, if you remember, if you watched Orville. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, you said you want to promote other shows. | ||
| Have you actually watched Carnival Row? | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Season two literally destroys communism, so I'm pretty sure Phil would like that. | |
| Nice. | ||
| I watched the latest season of It's Always Sunny. | ||
| It's fucking great. | ||
| They're brilliant. | ||
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I love it. | |
| Really good. | ||
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Well, Pandesh, thank you very much. | |
| Thanks for calling in, brother. | ||
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Cheers. | |
| Is Always Sunny still running? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Latest season was great. | ||
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It was hilarious. | |
| Uh, R.O.R. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| You're with us. | ||
| Hello, Timcast crew and guests. | ||
| It's amazing to finally be able to call in and talk to all of you. | ||
| Question for you. | ||
| Is the O a zero or is that an O? | ||
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It is. | |
| So it's Roar, and I kind of stole it from Warhammer. | ||
| It's Regiment of Renown. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| So I do apologize if this is a little long-winded, but I'm a New York resident, lifelong, and I was never really into politics. | ||
| I was just your default Democrat until around 2018, the fiasco that was the Trump impeachment. | ||
| It kind of fired me up a little bit and I started diving deep, researching and seeing what was going on in our country and our culture. | ||
| Shortly after, I found your show, Tim, and this is my home. | ||
| So I've been watching for a couple of years now. | ||
| I've been a member. | ||
| I watch every single night. | ||
| I've tried to get people involved. | ||
| In my hometown in New York we have a little project going on. | ||
| We're really really close to launching for cultural projects and we're trying to get our community more involved. | ||
| I'm doing things on my own along with three other people. | ||
| What are some resources that are available to kind of get ourselves out there fast hitting the ground and more involved into the community to bring more people together? | ||
| Do you have any ideas? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You know, what I love about what you're doing, though, is and really there were some clues in what you were saying that, again, women just tend to connect. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you're coming to Tim because you're saying you've built something and I want to know how you built something. | ||
| And actually, like what you're doing, I think, is deeply masculine, like men. | ||
| Men don't just need good ideas. | ||
| They need to see maleness embodied by a man. | ||
| You cannot disembody manhood. | ||
| It has to be embodied, right? | ||
| So that's why, you know, you're like, you said, this is my home, right? | ||
| You have found a place where formation is happening, right? | ||
| That's what happens at home is you're formed in a home. | ||
| And Tim is helping you form a new way of looking at the world. | ||
| But it's not just ideas. | ||
| It's he's built something concrete, and that is also deeply masculine. | ||
| And you are also building and taking responsibility for other people in your world. | ||
| So I just applaud you. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Aurora. | ||
| And I just think that that is fantastic, right? | ||
| That that's how men roll. | ||
| They look at what men are doing men that they admire, They don't just need the men to take responsibility for themselves. | ||
| They need to see a man taking responsibility for other people, and that is what inspires them. | ||
| That's what calls them to greatness. | ||
| That's why you love watching, you know, Sound of Freedom, and why you love watching William Wallace fight the Scottish tyranny. | ||
| Like, everything that calls men... Thank you. | ||
| He is the Scot, right? | ||
| But everything that, what it is that calls men to greatness is other great men. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's interesting. | ||
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I think it's cool that you're- To get to his question, sorry. | |
| I was going to say, I think if you want to grow, I think to your point, the best thing to do would be to have, in my opinion, events with people in your area that celebrate whatever you're interested in or that have your values and then you just invite other people to them. | ||
| I mean, this is a typical sorority recruitment tactic where you're saying, please bring someone to this event that we're having. | ||
| Everyone has to bring someone, but it's a way to quickly show people kind of your values, have them at an event, and then also have them connect with other people. | ||
| I think that's one of the reasons our Discord is so successful is that people want to keep the conversation going among their friends, and it gives them a place to say, these are people to talk to with your values. | ||
| So that's my advice. | ||
| Always just find someone, or if you're having events, make it mandatory that people bring someone new. | ||
| I want to know a little bit more about what it is that you're promoting exactly. | ||
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So we are starting our own podcast. | |
| We've already gotten a couple of channels up and running. | ||
| We built our studio. | ||
| We're about $3,500 in. | ||
| We're just going to be talking about cultural stuff like you guys do. | ||
| Try to keep politics out of it a little bit in the beginning because we don't want to be pushed into a camp, but we're already collaborating with a bunch of local businesses because there's just a lot of people in my town, in my community. | ||
| They have so much to talk about, but they feel like nobody's listening and it's just driving us to want to do this. | ||
| I think it's cool that you're doing something. | ||
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It's good that you are. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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You have to, you have to, there has to be action at some point. | |
| You can't just sit idly by. | ||
| When I first started doing internet video, I would go to videos of people that I respected and wanted to emulate and look at all the comments. | ||
| And then I'd open each of the commenters page and message them individually with my newest video with a message. | ||
| This is my newest video. | ||
| I really truly, I believe in this. | ||
| I really think we can communicate. | ||
| And, and so I would do that like a thousand times a day or like, cause it's free. | ||
| You can market yourself for free that way. | ||
| And that'll get you from zero to like a thousand subscribers right off, you know, right away, meaning like 60 hours of work or 40 hours or whatever. | ||
| That's a good way. | ||
| I don't know if you can still do it as easily. | ||
| Snowball rolling down a hill. | ||
| You gotta put the work in. | ||
| But especially if you think it's for people in your town, like, if you have someone on who lives locally, have them send it to their five brothers or, you know, send it to a local newspaper or whatever you want to do. | ||
| Like, there are ways to, especially if you're already in a physical community, to distribute there and grow from that. | ||
| We definitely need to get on the next call. | ||
| I'm looking forward to seeing the show, man. | ||
| I wish I had a better answer for resources that you could use to help everything go faster, but I think the reality is you are digging through a tunnel made of pure stone. | ||
| You're digging a mountain path like that dude who, what was it, his wife died because she couldn't get to the hospital? | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| It's a big honor. | ||
| I hope you guys all have a wonderful night. | ||
| I'm honored that you're a member, my friend. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| Mad respect. | ||
| And thank you so much for the support and for calling in. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Cheers. | ||
| Keep it up. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| Good night. | ||
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All right. | |
| Thanks for calling in, buddy. | ||
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St. | |
| Thank you so much. | ||
| It's a big honor. | ||
| I hope you guys all have a wonderful night. | ||
| I'm honored that you're a member, my friend. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| Mad respect. | ||
| And thank you so much for the support and for calling in. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Cheers. | ||
| Keep it up. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| All right, St. Miles, how are you? | ||
| Hi, thank you for taking my call. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You got it, man. | ||
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My question is, sorry, I'm still reading some of the chats from the holodeck earlier. | |
| It's all good. | ||
| But my question is, with the latest court decision on DACA, what are your thoughts, and for your guests especially, about Anchor Babies? | ||
| What was the latest ruling? | ||
| Uh, a judge just ruled that it's invalid, that DACA doesn't stand as a... Good. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I thought. | ||
| I mean, the thing is, DACA, they're gonna battle for DACA for the rest of eternity. | ||
| It's gonna be something that we fight on for years and years and years. | ||
| The thing about anchor babies, and I can say this because my brother is one, no I'm just kidding, well he kind of is, is that I don't believe in birthright citizenship. | ||
| So the idea of an anchor baby doesn't seem valid, right? | ||
| I don't think that we should have it be, I mean this was true, I can't remember his name, but one of the heads of a Mexican drug cartel So I don't think this ruling is the end of it. | ||
| It's not like we're just like, and they're done with DACA now because it's such a point of contention among the two parties. | ||
| If you have a child who is born in the US but their parents aren't here, there are different | ||
| ways for them to get, their extended family, to get into the country. | ||
| So I don't think this ruling is the end of it. | ||
| It's not like we're just like, and they're done with DACA now because it's such a point | ||
| of contention among the two parties. | ||
| But I think the real solution is ending birthright citizenship. | ||
| Agreed! | ||
| It's not what it's supposed to be. | ||
| And also, the times have changed. | ||
| It used to be that there was no real border and people walked back and forth, and being a citizen meant more to do with, did you have access to communal funds and voting and national defense and things like that. | ||
| Now it means something different because we have people ripping us off, murdering us, smuggling drugs, and I'm not okay with loopholes. | ||
| I just, I think we've got to have rules. | ||
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Yeah, I agree. | |
| Did you see that Italian island of 6,000 citizens was just 7,000 immigrants came in? | ||
| Yep, trying to break through the barricades. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Fucking hell. | ||
| I mean, that's like set up a machine gun, defend your territory kind of shit, man. | ||
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Yeah, seriously. | |
| It is terrifying. | ||
| We're getting to like, listen, back in the day, if a horde of a thousand people carrying flags tried to rush into your town or country, it was all military. | ||
| It's like military age men, too. | ||
| It's not just women and children. | ||
| It's not women and children. | ||
| It's just a bunch of men. | ||
| That's called a barbarian horde. | ||
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Yep, literally. | |
| I have a lot to learn about the subject, but I will say that the loophole of birthright citizenship is absolutely being exploited in big fertility right now. | ||
| You've got these Chinese couples that are coming over, renting the wombs of largely Californian women because it's Wild West in terms of reproductive technologies there. | ||
| Custom order a baby very often. | ||
| Well, maybe not often. | ||
| We don't know because big fertility doesn't track any of the children that they are purchasing, selling, and exporting. | ||
| But they will have two or three. | ||
| They'll implant two or three. | ||
| Then they'll abort the one or two that they don't want. | ||
| And then the child is Chinese, born to an American woman, and then has American citizenship, flown back to China. | ||
| And so, like, now we have added this commercial aspect, this customizing commercial aspect to birthright citizenship. | ||
| And countries, we are unique. | ||
| I mean, This is not a standard thing. | ||
| It's not every other country in the world. | ||
| If I had a child in Germany, it wouldn't automatically have German citizenship. | ||
| I think America doesn't understand. | ||
| I think it's wrong for America to assume this is an effective way just because we've always done it this way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It used to be that we needed citizens when we were a birthing country, when we were young as a nation. | ||
| Now we're oversaturated, apparently. | ||
| Well, and also, if we needed citizens, why wouldn't we encourage people to have families? | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Also legal. | ||
| We never encouraged illegal immigration. | ||
| Instead of allowing birth tourism and open borders, we should be incentivizing having families. | ||
| I like the idea of cutting taxes for people if they have a certain number of kids, things like that. | ||
| And liberals seem to agree with that. | ||
| They do that in Hungary, I think. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| If you're 25% off your income tax, up to four kids and you have none. | ||
| A lot of Eastern European institutions, it's to fight the decline in birth rate, right? | ||
| Fighting the decline of birthright isn't solved by opening your borders. | ||
| That's not the same thing at all. | ||
| I am so terrified of what could— St. | ||
| Miles, was that good? | ||
| I hate to go too abruptly, but I want to try and get to these other callers. | ||
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No, that was very on point. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And to Ian, my avatar is the Order of St. | ||
| John, not the Multiscope. | ||
| Oh, thanks, man. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Thanks for calling in, brother. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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Thank you, St. | |
| Miles. | ||
| Alright Sammy Football, you're with us. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| Hey, can you guys hear me? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Loud and clear. | |
| So, um, I'll make it as quick as possible. | ||
| Cause I do have my little, uh, after show plug for the end, but, um, my question is actually for Katie. | ||
| Um, so once in a tweet, you had said adoption begins with loss, which disadvantages children. | ||
| And as someone who's adopted, I respectfully disagree. | ||
| And I truly consider me being adopted as a blessing in my life. | ||
| life compared to the life that I would have had, especially now that I know what I know. | ||
| I wish I had all night to share my story. | ||
| However, my question is, what needs to be reformed in the adoption process, in your | ||
| opinion, to make it easier for families who long to have children? | ||
| Yeah, I'd love to hear your story. | ||
| I wish we had time for it. | ||
| The reality is that adoption does not exist for adults. | ||
| It's not about giving kids to people who want to complete their family. | ||
| Not infertile adults, not gay adults. | ||
| Adoption is not for adults. | ||
| Adoption is for children. | ||
| Adoption is for kids whose parents could not or would not give them the life that they deserved. | ||
| And so the goal is to place children with the parents that are best going to be able to meet their needs, both in terms of safety and development, kinship bonds, wherever it's best and appropriate. | ||
| But adoption does begin with loss. | ||
| The child has to lose their first family to find their adoptive family. | ||
| The mother has to lose a relationship with her child, either because she's not fit or because she feels like she can't offer the child the life that the baby deserves. | ||
| And so adoption, as it's properly understood, is a child-centric institution. | ||
| It is a just society's response to children who have lost their parents. | ||
| It is not a means for adults to get kids. | ||
| That's not what it is. | ||
| And we fall into an awful lot of error in an awful lot of ways if we think that this institution exists for adults. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| It exists for you. | ||
| Adoption is for you. | ||
| It is to serve you. | ||
| Have you watched 30 Rock? | ||
| No. | ||
| Liz Lemon wants to have it all. | ||
| It's her character. | ||
| She's the head writer of a show. | ||
| It's a funny show. | ||
| I love the show. | ||
| But when they talk about how having it all means being the boss and having a family, they center her adoption around what she wants to be fulfilled, not around helping the baby. | ||
| They don't talk about the baby at all. | ||
| It's just she's trying to get a baby because she wants one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, I'm an adoptive mom. | ||
| I used to be the assistant director at the largest Chinese adoption agency in the world. | ||
| I was responsible for compliance with international, state, and federal standards to make sure that the best interest of the child was upheld. | ||
| The way that adoption is set up is to restore what has been lost. | ||
| And so that's what adoption should be. | ||
| But that does not negate the fact that the child has to lose something to then find that redemptive position. | ||
| Does that help sort of correct? |
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