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Sept. 8, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - New Mexico Just DECREED GUNS ILLEGAL, Democrat SUSPENDS Possession w/Brandon Herrera

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unidentified		We got really crazy news.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Two absolutely shocking stories.
		The first, I did not believe it when Good Sir Brandon read it.
		I said, there's no way that's true.
		The governor of New Mexico has just decreed the possession of guns to be illegal.
		That's the headline.
		I'm not exaggerating.
		I didn't believe it when I heard it.
		Granted, there's a nuance to it, but outright, the governor has declared a public health emergency in which it is now illegal to possess a firearm in public, even though the state is an open carry state.
		This is...
		I'll keep it light for the intro, but for those that know their history, when executives declare the seizure of weapons, typically, historically, in many places, really bad things follow that.
		I am extremely worried to hear this news breaking today and 10 minutes ago, maybe about 20 minutes ago.
		On top of this, new information is breaking with the release of the grand jury recommendations.
		The grand jury in Georgia voted to indict sitting members of the Senate, including Lindsey Graham, three.
		And Fannie Willis has just declined those indictments.
		Understand the... I mean, this is... Let's just start over.
		The grand jury in Georgia voted to indict three Republican members of the Senate.
		New Mexico has just decreed possession of guns to be illegal.
		This is gonna be a fun episode!
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		Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Brandon Herrera.
unidentified		Thanks so much for having me, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for coming.
		Who are you?
		What do you do?
unidentified		So, uh, my name is Brandon Herrera.
		I am, uh, well, a YouTuber on the internet.
		I talk about guns, gun safety, try to, uh, blend entertainment and comedy with, you know, trying to teach, you know, Second Amendment activism, uh, firearm history, all sorts of things.
		But also, more recently, I'm now running for Congress against incumbent rhino, uh, Tony Gonzalez in, uh, CD 23.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're, we're, uh, I'm, I may be one of the most 2A absolutists you'll ever meet, uh, I don't know if you've ever heard the arguments I've made, but I've even argued with Republicans about the right to keep and bear nuclear weapons and biological weapons.
unidentified		I have, and I am a fan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I would love to talk about that.
		Because it's not a question of whether or not it's morally correct, it's a question of legally allowed or protected.
		And I'm of the position that you're allowed to keep and bear arms, and arms is broad.
unidentified		I would love to get into that with you, because that is such a fascinating topic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's funny when I'm talking to politicians and I'm like, can we have nuclear weapons?
		And they're like, no, no.
		I don't know if I agree with that.
		But anyway, we got Phil here hanging out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
		I am Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm also pretty anti-communist these days.
unidentified		Hi, everyone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ian Crossland.
		Happy to be here.
		Let's roll.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got Carter.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		What's up, guys?
		Taking a break to update Pro Tools and stuff and filling in for Kellan and Serge.
		So let's do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here is the first story from the Santa Fe, New Mexican, and I'm going to be as deliberate in my introduction here.
		First, Governor Banz carrying guns in Albuquerque after 11-year-old killed.
		You want to pull that article up?
		There you go.
		And NewsGuard certified, 100 out of 100.
		I- I- I- I can't believe this.
		Governor bans carrying guns in Albuquerque after 11- It's not just Albuquerque.
		It's, uh, there's like a metro limit.
		Governor Michelle Luan Grisham on Friday announced a new public health order that she said will ban people from carrying firearms either open or concealed in Albuquerque and throughout the Bernalillo County for the next 30 days regardless of whether they have a permit.
		Grisham, a Democrat, issued an executive order Thursday evening declaring gun violence a public health emergency.
		This is beyond unconstitutional, but I will tell you this right now.
		I'm willing to believe the police, with smiles on their face, will arrest you if you have a weapon.
		The order states no person other than law enforcement or licensed security officer shall possess a firearm, either openly or concealed, with cities or counties averaging 1,000 or more violent crimes per 100,000 residents per year since 2021.
		So, because of that, it only applies to the city of Albuquerque and Bernalillo County, Lujan Grisham said, and can only be enforced by New Mexico State Police, whose presence in the state's largest city would be significant over the next month.
		We've seen this kind of things happen in various countries, happen throughout history, and they almost always, I think it's fair to say always, Lead to very, very, very awful outcomes.
		Sometimes it takes a little bit longer for the awful outcome, but typically disarming the population by decree results in active conflict between the citizenry and law enforcement.
		Oh, I know all of these libs are going to get so bent out of shape when I say this, but for those of you that know American history, you will know that the first battle, which wasn't really even a battle of the American Revolution, was because the Crown was trying to seize the weapons from local militia.
		Basically, farmers who got together and said, we do not believe these laws are justified, and they went and said, okay, well, we're going to come take all your guns from you, and they said, no, you're not.
		When we were setting up the show, What's the big story, I always ask?
		And we've got this huge story about the Georgia grand jury indicted, voted to indict, three sitting members of the Senate, Republicans, and only because the Democrats were like, no, we're not going to do that.
		It didn't happen.
		Even though this is what the grand jury does.
		This is where we're at right now in this country.
		And then Brandon over here says, New Mexico just banned by decree.
		Uh, carrying weapons, and I'm like, no, no, no, that's wrong, that's wrong.
		Googled it, and I'm like, no, this is just some kind of, like, platitude.
		And then, uh, Ren's like, nope, Santa Fe, New Mexico.
unidentified		It literally just came up in my Instagram feed.
		The first time I looked at it, I'm like, ah, you know, maybe this is somebody being a little dramatic on Twitter.
		Because, you know, sometimes people, you know, they see a story, and then they extrapolate something that's not quite correct.
		Like, it's not all the way verifiable.
		They just kind of go their own way with it.
		Sure enough, looked into it, and that's exactly what it seems like just happened.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I will say, Arizona didn't ban guns as some tyrant is attempting to, and that tyrant, or New Mexico, thank you very much, New Mexico didn't ban guns, some tyrant's trying to, and it's up to the people of New Mexico to decide whether or not that tyrant's going to speak for the people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the inflection point.
		The question we have right now is, is it a legal executive order?
		And the question for a person in my position is, What advice do you give the average person?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		First of all, I think that it's clearly unconstitutional.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There is no provision in the Constitution, in the Federal Constitution, the United States Constitution, that empowers governors to revoke the rights of any citizen under any reason.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or to create law!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough, true.
		So there's that.
		So first of all, right off the bat, it's unconstitutional.
		You're gonna have to have people get together, peacefully open carry, peacefully disregard the law, and it's gonna have to be a... It's not a law though.
		Well, it's a decree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the question I have.
		My position is almost always, you know, we challenge the law through the legal system.
		When legislatures pass laws, it's something we have to get active on with knocking on doors and filing lawsuits.
		Many of these laws are unjust and get removed instantly.
		It is extremely likely that this thing is going to be struck down Almost immediately.
		However, the governor did it on a Friday intentionally so that she's guaranteed a few days of this being in effect, which is using the procedure as the punishment.
		What do you say to the average person?
		This is not law.
		This is unconstitutional, and I would argue should be considered seditious or illegal on the part of the governor.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Should be legal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It should be a criminal act to subvert the Constitution.
		It is, actually.
		The question is, who will the police, in what direction will the police decide to enforce this?
		Do we then say, you must abide by decree of governor?
		Well, that's not legal in this country.
		In which case, we would say to people, disregard decree of governor?
		Well now you've got police saying you're inciting criminal actions or something to that effect.
		The law is broken.
		The legal system has shattered.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're saying if you tell a cop in New Mexico to defy the governor that you're committing a crime?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, if you tell someone...
		They should keep and bear arms regardless of the decree.
		You are now inciting someone to, as per the governor's view, violate their public health order under executive powers, which is not law.
		But the police will say you're inducing someone to commit a crime.
unidentified		So I did just look this up.
		This is kind of interesting because I agree with a lot of that.
		There is no provision that allows the governor to defy the Bill of Rights.
		That's very basic.
		But they're having state police enforce this.
		Which is why I was really curious what the New Mexico State Constitution says about it.
		So, Article 2 of the Constitution of New Mexico provides, quote, No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use, and for all other lawful purposes.
		But nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons.
		Which was kind of interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is the New Mexico Bill of Rights, Section 2, and right to bear arms is Article 2, Section 6, And, uh, it's exactly as you said, we have it pulled up here, and this was, um, it looks like as of November 2nd, 1971.
		So the governor, if the police, I'm hoping the police just say, here's what needs to happen, we need a statement from the head of state police, publicly, right now, to the press, this is not correct, it will not be enforced, the citizens have a right to keep and bear arms, you know, as regulated, and we will not I'm sorry.
		I've seen it happen 20 times.
		We all know.
		A story that I heard about.
		It's actually relatively prominent.
		A woman from Pennsylvania was going to Atlantic City.
		She had a revolver in her purse.
		She crosses the bridge into Jersey.
		and gets pulled over. Officer comes and says, you know, I pulled you over and she goes, I don't.
		And then she says, but I do want to let you just keep make sure you're informed. I do have my
		weapon, my gun on me. I do have a permit for it and it's here in my bag. And he went, thank you,
		ma'am. Out of the vehicle, please. You're under arrest.
		That's a felony. And wow. The only reason so this is a story that was told to me by a gun shop in New
		Jersey.
		Apparently it was a big deal.
		The only reason she got off was that her lawyers pulled up a case where a celebrity was given a special pass.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What's her name?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the woman's name.
		I was at a gun shop.
		That's what the guy told me.
unidentified		I've heard this story too.
unidentified		Like, I can at least verify that this story has gone around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was some celebrity who got a special treatment.
		Their lawyer cited this case, and then the DA was like, okay, drop it, drop it, drop it.
		We're gonna lose this one.
		It's gonna set a bad precedent.
		But the only thing that matters to me is that the cop, with a smile on his face, said, ma'am, I know the bridge is five minutes right there.
		I could turn you around right now and say, just bring it home.
		But I want to destroy you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Instead he decided, I'm going to ruin your life.
		There's a lot of people that are ACAB and there's a lot of people that are very, oh, don't cross the thin blue line.
		Both positions are stupid.
		You have to have some amount of policing in your society and in your community.
		And if you go to communities that are riddled with crime and you talk to the normal people that are not committing crimes, they're like, send more cops.
		We need more police because we need to get these people that are committing the crimes off the streets.
		If you go to places that are high crime, the police know the people that are committing the crimes.
		They can pick them out.
		Usually it's a, you know, if it's a major city, a couple hundred, couple few hundred or whatever.
		You can lock those people up and that'll solve a large portion of the crime.
		That doesn't mean that every time a cop pulls you over, it's a good idea to tell them all your personal, private information.
		Concealed is concealed.
		Hush if a cop pulls you over.
		If you have to tell about your gun, you have to tell about your gun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think they are trying to create Physical conflict in this country.
		There's, look, these videos of the feds arresting J6ers with rifles pointed at them.
		Some, like, portly fellow walks out of his house in his shorts, like, scratching his face like, huh?
		And they're just all pointing rifles.
		What happened in Provo, Utah when they went in that guy's house, shot and killed him?
		It appears, maybe it's not the gays, but it certainly appears like they're doing everything possible to provoke a violent outbreak.
		This right here in New Mexico is basically chucking dynamite into a crowd and being like, let's see what happens.
unidentified		And a lot of, like, the case that you were talking about earlier, where, like, the cop you said actively chose, that he made that decision to ruin her life, or at least make her life extremely difficult for the next few years.
unidentified		That's where, like, I've learned a lot, just being around, like, you know, Donut Operator Cody, like, my best friend.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's great.
unidentified		I've learned a lot about policing and different stuff like that through his eyes and stuff like that.
		And a big thing that he harps on is officer discretion with stuff like that.
		Like, that's something that, and I think that's where a lot of the nuance gets lost between, like, The ACAB crowd, the thin blue line crowd, like the officer's always wrong, the officer's always right.
		Officer discretion is really an important thing that is not utilized enough.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And I know that there's a lot of officers, a lot of police officers that don't live in the towns that they police.
		And I understand that.
		There's a lot of security issues that can come up and there's safety issues if you're in a place that's got a lot of crime and you're actively throwing people in jail and you live in that town, then there's a possibility of retribution and stuff.
		I get it.
		If you have police officers that you see regularly and you know you can have a rapport with them, and the police officers can have a rapport with you.
		If a cop knows that you're not one of the handful of garbage cans that are out there causing all kinds of problems in town, the cop should, and obviously it's not every cop, but the cop really should take that into consideration.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So shout out to Elon Musk.
		uh... for helping bring awareness to this he he he he just responded
		but it's all like his response is already generating a reaction
		so i did that the story i i think the story out
		holy f uh... and so a whole bunch of people have have jumped on it
		that's what gives me hope is that the this is this was such a bold and psychotic move
		it's like dropping a boulder into a pond Everyone notices the bang and the massive splash just shocked everybody.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And the cops, the New Mexico State cops that are listening right now or they're gonna hear this story have an opportunity to exercise some discretion right now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You gotta protect your citizens.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Especially if you swore an oath to the Constitution of not only the United States, but I imagine to New Mexico.
unidentified		It is your obligation.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And you mentioned the Constitution of New Mexico.
		I'm sorry to cut you off real quick.
		Almost every state in the Union has something that resembles the Second Amendment.
		All of them.
		Every single one has something similar.
		It's not the exact same thing, but all of them have something like the Second Amendment.
		Because owning firearms is one of the things that is a clear indication that you are free.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		California doesn't have one.
unidentified		And it is biting them in the ass daily.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They must have.
		Well, actually, I don't know.
		They never really did.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's a newer state relative to the rest of them, but... But yeah, I mean, so maybe Hawaii doesn't as well, but you know, like, seriously, it's like, the Second Amendment is supposed to be, you know, supremacy clauses means that it's supposed to be the supreme law, but, you know... So, man...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, the culture war this morning was very interesting.
		I thought it was pretty good.
		Poor Alex didn't really get a chance to speak.
		Didn't really speak, so I can't really, you know... Thanks for coming anyway, buddy.
		But, Brandon Wu is here, and the general sentiment among many of these leftists...
		One thing I love what they do is they take tweets of mine where I say something like Civil War, but they remove the context of why I said it.
		So it's just a bunch of tweets that blanket say Civil War or whatever, but it'll be like, I don't know, there'll be an article that says something to the effect of far-left extremists, you know, opens fire, killing so-and-so, and I'll be like, Civil War, and then they'll remove that story and just snip the little statement.
		And that imply that I'm insinuating that there's some kind of, or that I want it to happen.
		Quite the opposite.
		But in our conversation, every single time it comes up, someone will say to me, touch grass, right, is the old meme.
		Go talk to regular people.
		And my response is just, do you think that during like the first, the American Civil War, that some dude walked out of his house in Atlanta, looked at his neighbor and said, do you want civil war?
		And then the other guy went, I certainly do.
		Ah, let's fight.
		No, if you lived in New York and you lived in Atlanta, you'd walk outside and no one's talking about it.
		Because your life was different.
		You were focused on your farm, or your shop, or the minutia and routine of your daily lives.
		Everyone seems to think that you need a mass mobilization of half the country rising up and formally declaring hostilities against the other half, and that's never been the case.
		In this instance, the reason why this story is alarming, we've just quite literally been talking about Lexington and Concord over the past week, when a couple hundred redcoats were like, hand over your guns, and they were like, not, you know, you can pry it from my cold dead hands.
		And then they tried.
		And that's considered a handful of militiamen, maybe it's a little hyperbolic to say a handful, but local militiamen, regular people who had weapons, saying no was the first battle of the American Revolution.
		The shot heard around the world.
unidentified		And to even further your point, going back to the American Civil War, after you've got the revolution with Lexington and Concord, but in the American Civil War, There's always usually a focal point that happens, and it's usually some sort of government decree of some sort.
		Because the one in the American Civil War, a lot of people point to, is when Lincoln went to the South and he went to a lot of southern states and said, I expect you to send me 75,000 troops so we can go invade the states in rebellion.
		Yep.
		I think he demanded North Carolina and a few others, and the response was overwhelmingly, I think we're going to secede instead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so, a lot of people always get mad when we talk about this stuff.
		They're like, you're not a historian, and you're getting facts wrong.
		It's like, okay, dude, I read a couple academic historical papers and watched a few documentaries, so I'm probably wrong.
		But my general understanding was that, I think it was seven states seceded before Lincoln was inaugurated, and then you had states, I think it was like Tennessee, West Virginia, Well, not West Virginia, but Virginia itself, because there was no West Virginia.
		Virginia was like, you know, we kind of want to secede, but we probably shouldn't.
		And they're like, okay, so we're not gonna.
		Then Lincoln said, hey, these states in active rebellion, I'm gonna conscript troops to go quell that rebellion.
		And that shifted sentiment in these states to where they were like, okay, now you want us to go to war?
		Okay, this has gone too far.
		We're out.
unidentified		You want us to go to war with our neighbor.
		Yeah.
		Not go to war with Canada or Britain or France or whatever.
		You want us to go to war with the state that we border.
		Right.
		Are you crazy?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this shifted sentiment, but I do think it's fair to say that's actually, we're so far away from that.
		Bleeding Kansas is a better example of where we may be today.
		And the American Revolution may have better analogues or the Spanish Civil War, but Bleeding Kansas was a seven-year conflict.
		Not even just Kansas, but in the territories outside of the actual states, in the U.S.
		territories, with the debate over which state would be a slave state or not, you had people murdering each other.
		So, I look at this, history doesn't repeat it rhymes.
		What happens today will not be a one-for-one reflection of what happened back then, because the internet?
		I mean, that's the easy one.
		Things are very different.
		I have, in, look man, you know, I'm talking to Brianna Wu earlier, and she's saying like, we need to stop being at each other's necks, calm down, and you know, move this country forward.
		Everything they're doing does nothing but escalate.
		And I mean the establishment, the machine, the DOJ.
		I won't even take Democrats, I'll say the DOJ.
		When you have Joe Biggs get 19 and a half years in prison for this stuff, I'm like, yeah, you realize that's just gonna make everyone angrier.
		They like to say that it's absurd to bring up the concept of civil war, so I asked a few simple questions of Brianna.
		Do you think the people that stormed the Capitol when Joe Biden wins in 2024 will just pat their hands and say, well, good game, everybody.
		We're done.
		Or do you think they just say we are still angry, angry enough to break into the Capitol building?
		There's been no logical assessment by anyone who takes issue with Barbara Walter, Stephen Marsh, or I. There's been no logical argument against anything we've said.
		And those are two Democrats I'm citing specifically, who have said, more so than I, that we are in or actively facing civil war.
		There's been no argument as to what the off-ramp would be.
unidentified		Yeah, and that goes back to like the classic meme of like, who radicalized you?
		You did.
		It's the actions of those people.
		It's almost a direct comparison to what people like Jordan Peterson have said about Ukraine.
		We need to figure out what victory is.
		Is winning a good thing in the long run?
		If you rub your nose in the cat piss, is that really winning long term or are you just building resentment?
		Are you making things worse?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I look at what the DOJ is doing.
		A video was just put up by I think it was Julie Kelly of Enrique Tarrio on the day of January 6th.
		With her.
		He's being filmed.
		They were filming this.
		And he had no idea they got in the building.
		He was surprised to see it.
		And the evidence is all there.
		This is a fabrication against him.
		According to her tweet, the feds tried to get Enrique to say that he was working with Trump or that Trump had some involvement.
		They wanted to connect Trump directly to Proud Boys so they can put a brand name on insurrection and say Trump orchestrated it.
		Likely to remove his name from the ballot.
		Enrique refused, so they give him 22 years.
		Plus, it'll be 22 and a half.
		You know what I said?
		There is something Joe Biden can do if he wants to simmer things down.
		He can issue a blanket pardon of all J6s right now.
		And he can say, like Shay's rebellion, he can say, it was wrong of what you did, but we cannot survive as a nation if we're constantly at each other's throats.
		That's why I think it's fair to say for those that have spent time already, time served, and for everyone else, we are giving you a good faith effort.
		They won't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, they might.
		We've got to make sure that we don't go so far as to say that the solution won't happen.
		You have to propose a solution and allow it to hang.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I get what you're saying.
		That's probably a good perspective to have.
		That being said, it will take Democrats to stop the escalation.
		Like Republicans can't, like Republicans and the people that are being persecuted by the Democrats, by the establishment, they're not in a position to say, okay, we're gonna go ahead and chill things out.
		And the reason is because all of the things that they're accused of are all things that are legal.
		Like, they fabricate stuff.
		The guy from Infowars that's gonna go to jail.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Owen Schroeder.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like, Owen Schroeder, he was speaking.
		Tarrio was talking to people.
		And these aren't, it wasn't incitement, it is such, these are such tortured accusations
		and they have to be stretched and twisted so much to make them fit.
		It's ridiculous.
		And because of that, it has to be the people that are in the position of power saying,
		okay, we're going to stop using our power.
		Because the people that are not in positions of power are not in any position to say, we're going to stop escalating because they're not the ones escalating.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Tim, you brought it up.
		Fannie Williams actually refused to indict these people.
		So that's an example of someone in power not taking the next step.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's a story from TimCast.com.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fulton County Special Grand Jury voted to indict Lindsey Graham and two other GOP senators.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The special grand jury in Fulton County, Georgia, recommended charges against former President Trump, 18 of his associates, as well as South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, as well as Georgia Republican Senators David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler.
		It is only because I think it doesn't serve the political ends of the Democratic Party that they overlooked these elements of these individuals in the indictment.
		For what purpose are they going to go after these individuals?
		Is it going to help them remove Trump?
		No.
		They went after Trump's staff and his lawyers.
		Here's what matters.
		Ian brings up a good point.
		The DA did not take that step.
		However, I'd push back on this.
		The DA took the most extreme step of arresting Trump and Trump's lawyers.
		This shows the political nature of the indictments.
		What if the grand jury said these people, as well as the other 18 plus Trump, should be indicted?
		And finally goes, not these three.
		It shows you that everything she's doing is purely political.
		It also shows you in these districts, it doesn't matter what is true, a grand jury will indict sitting members of the Senate.
		If asked to.
		That is the sentiment of touching grass.
		It's the funny thing about when people say, oh, go touch grass.
		Like, you mean like a grand jury that tried to indict three Republican members of the Senate?
		Those are regular people that are called in for jury duty, are given evidence, and said, would you criminally charge members of the Senate?
		They said, absolutely.
		So you want to go talk to regular people?
		I'm telling you, man, People are ready.
		People are angry.
		And of course it's never going to be 90% or 80%.
		But I think the American Revolution was, the colloquial term was, a third for, a third against, and a third don't care.
		It's actually more like, closer to 40% were in favor of, closer to like 20 some odd percent were opposed, and the plurality was like, we just don't care at all.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If we were going to have, if there was going to be an American Revolution, too, it would just be, like, the Constitution is written so that we can revolve the laws and create an internal revolution without having to overthrow the government.
		So, like, it would be a technical revolution, which we're kind of seeing with the internet, but, like, it wouldn't be, like, an attack.
		It would be a change in the system.
		It doesn't have to be, it could be cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was naive of the Founding Fathers to assume that men in power would agree to give it up because it was written on a piece of paper.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a bit of an overstatement that they were unaware that men... Well, considering the statements of Thomas Jefferson, I know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were very serious about what happens to countries.
		Although it is true that Jefferson walked that back, the Tree of Liberty statement, and said it's a little bit too egregious.
		That was pre-war talk.
unidentified		It was also pretty specific on a time frame, which was a little...
		Aggressive.
		What was it, 20 to 30 years, he said?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He saw what happened in France, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What year did he say that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure exactly what year he said it, but the point is, like, the French Revolution, that happened, like, right around, it started, like, right around or after the... 1807.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, like, so, and they were, you know, there were Americans that were going over there and talking to the French because there was all this talk of liberty and stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The French Revolution... Well, it began in 1789.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was an S show, right?
		It was a total The Constitution?
		No, the French Revolution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right, right, right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But it was an absolute S show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Same year as the Constitution and the formation of the United States.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not a coincidence.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Within a couple years, they just started killing everybody.
		The word terrorism comes from the French Revolution.
		The terror is what they called it.
		And that was just slaying people for The horrible crime of not being enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Robespierre went full Mickey Mouse Fantasia, dancing people to the guillotine one by one.
unidentified		Psychos.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Psychos.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And it was nuts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what people need to understand about things like this.
		A grand jury voted to indict these men.
		The D.A.
		decided not to do it.
		The D.A.
		went after the President and his lawyers.
		So the D.A.
		took a more extreme action, and I think it shows, as I stated earlier, this is political.
		The important factor here is that it shows that regular people also want to see these things done.
		That's what people need to understand about where this goes, and I will say it right now.
		There is one strong action that can be taken to stop it all.
		A couple, actually.
		First, the indictments against Trump should be dropped, and Joe Biden should pardon the January Sixers.
		And that is how, when you're trying to resolve a conflict, you have to be the one to make the compromise.
unidentified		And that would take so much of the wind out of the sails of the current Trump campaign and the entire right at the moment.
unidentified		Like, I don't, I seriously don't think it's ever going to happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they're exacerbating, I mean, these personalities are saying more, more, more, no matter what.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Would you do the same?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Would you pardon Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say Joe Biden.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm asking if you would.
		Because like you said, you have to be the first one to make the first move if you want to end this conflict.
		Would you be the one to do that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let's slow down and talk about the specifics of Charges against Trump over January 6th and the people on January 6th.
		If Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton were criminally charged and the Democratic Party, the DNC, over the Steele dossier and those moves that were made against Trump with Russiagate, I would sit down, me personally, and say, all of that goes away.
		We're done, and the J6 stuff is done, and we start here, and we try and figure it out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I see it like that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I see it as, it has to be connected.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not the Burisma stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It can't be, like, even Burisma.
unidentified		Nope.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't think you can get a prisoner exchange without offering a pardon to Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and Hillary.
		Like, think of it as a prisoner exchange.
		If you can't find compassion and do it because you just want, you think it's a good move, think of it as like we're trading victims here to try to end this.
		Is it with a white piece or something?
unidentified		That would require them getting into some sort of legal trouble in the first place.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The issue is there's nothing to drop as of right now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		With Hillary?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, you preemptively pardon her for this email scandal, having Sidney Blumenthal, having him set up Osprey Global Solutions in Libya.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What's the point of pardoning Hillary Clinton when she wasn't even prosecuted?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		To guarantee that she won't be prosecuted in the future.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's no chance that she's getting prosecuted.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think they feel like if Trump gets into office, they'll all get prosecuted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think Hillary will get prosecuted, but a lot of people are going to if Trump gets in.
unidentified		If she didn't get prosecuted the first time he was in office, if it wasn't happening then, it's... Well, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump is maybe about to go scorched earth.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'm not saying that I don't want Hillary Clinton to get prosecuted either.
		Like, I hear your argument and I totally disagree.
		I want to put all those sons of bitches in jail.
		So, that's just me though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And therein lies the challenge.
		They want to put all the J6s in jail.
		And the only way we move forward right now is, for one, there are no charges against Democrats for everything they did with the Russiagate and the Steele dossier, so it's a moot point.
		They would need to lay down their attacks and say, we're gonna chill out right now and give a little and stop attacking so much.
		The Republicans aren't doing anything!
		There's nothing for the Republicans to stop doing.
		Right now we say, like, hey, there's current active hostilities in lawfare.
		We're asking the Democrats to stop.
		The Republicans haven't done anything, so, you know, next question.
		Have they filed criminal charges against any of the Democrats over the Steele dossier?
		Over anything related to Russiagate and those lies?
		Has anyone done a deep investigation into what would happen with Ukrainegate and collusion between government and private law to go after Trump for subversion of our government?
		Was there a sedition charge?
		Nothing.
		So all that's happening now is Yeah, we're not throwing any stones over here.
		We're asking you to stop.
		If they don't, then... Look, man, it's not about what should happen.
		What should happen is an election happens in 2024, the right person for the job wins, and everybody says, okay, well, you know, we'll try again next time.
		That's not popular.
unidentified		That brings up an interesting question, I think.
		Do you think there ever will be charges brought in the future?
		Over what's going on in Ukraine right now as far as like the Biden involvement?
		Yes, if Trump wins.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll put it this way.
		I believe that there is a probability it happens if Trump wins.
		Outside of that, no.
		And that could be 17%.
		You know what I mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I bet Joe Biden will pardon Hunter the day before he leaves office.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, of course.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He'll pardon Hunter and Hillary.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He might pardon a bunch of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course he will.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's why we gotta pardon him first.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's my point.
unidentified		I miss the entertaining days when the president would just pardon rappers and shit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, Trump did.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If they're untouchable, play the game.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Be like, okay, you're untouchable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The issue right now is, if they are going after Donald Trump in his first term to falsely accuse him of being a Russian spy, And then you're the whole time saying just pardon him for doing it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, you know, you've got someone who's shoved you up against the wall and put a blade to your neck and then you said, you know, the only way out of this is if I allow you to do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like Alex Stein you're talking about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Actually, they pulled a knife on me on a show one time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I didn't know that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was insane.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm assuming that was a joke.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was a joke, but it was a real knife.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Democrats have been engaged in hostilities against the populist right since Trump got elected, and the right has done nothing except for January 6th.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I'm crazy, man.
		I don't know if we're in the end.
		I don't know if this is like Revelation, if the Bible's real, if forgiveness is actually valuable, or if we're just tricked into thinking that kindness, compassion, and forgiveness is valuable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is, but it has to come from the people committing the acts.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's only good in society.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump supporters have done nothing since Trump got elected.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you only live is like, we're only gonna get past this if you apologize.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do we apologize for?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's a blanket.
		It's for everything they ever did.
		I'm apologizing for Hillary's crimes before she has to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You committed a bunch of serious crimes and continue to wage lawfare against us while we sit back and do nothing but we're gonna apologize to you?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		This is how you end up dead.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We're all gonna end up dead eventually.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So then just give up everything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The way to end up dead is by suggesting a pardon?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		By constantly laying down and saying, hey, it's okay if you rain piss on us.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, what's your, I mean, what's the optional solution then?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The option is lawfare.
		Sue the...
		Absolute hell out of everyone that violates your right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump wins.
		Fair enough.
		So Trump lost by 42,000 votes.
		That's insane.
		Trump lost in 2020 by 42,000 votes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you tally the votes yourself?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that that number was accurate?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They give you a little bit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They give you a little piece.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, it was 51-49.
		Don't worry about it.
		I definitely don't believe vote tallies without seeing the code of the machines that are tallying the votes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But now you're making different arguments that aren't part of the conversation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If Donald Trump lost by 42,000 votes across three states, then the best course of action right now is ballot harvesting, voter registration, and political rallying commercials, etc.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I don't agree with the if.
		I don't believe that he won by 42,000 votes.
		I just haven't seen the proof.
		You need to prove me and show me the data and the code of the tallies.
		I believe that proprietary companies own our voting machines.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you think they stole it from Trump by hacking voting machines?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think that it is undeterminable and I'm not going to believe one or the other unless I see the proof one way or the other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so this is the way it works.
		Your options right now are to be trampled and have your rights stolen from you and destroyed, to try to vote to win.
		Pick one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		These false binaries, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean false binaries?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are you suggesting?
unidentified		Are you advocating for not voting?
		What are you advocating for?
		So I can understand.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, my point is that thinking that Trump's gonna win is like a fantasy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then you know what you're saying?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what you are saying to this country?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying that I don't trust the way the votes are tallied in this country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You are saying they will not allow a peaceful revolution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do not believe that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, they hijacked this country in 1913, man.
		Trump won in 2016.
		Yeah, I remember that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He did.
		He can win again.
		They are terrified that he's going to win again.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he can win.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I just don't think it's likely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right now, it doesn't matter if it's likely or not, the only course of action is every legal method to secure votes for Donald Trump in the hopes he takes action towards weeding out deep state corruption, cleaning up the DOJ.
unidentified		So, what's even further than that?
		Something I would like to see that is a huge frustration for me, because everybody's caught up in the conversation of whether or not the election was stolen.
		What really drives me crazy is that there's concrete evidence of just different places where poll watchers are kicked out, and there's actual fraud when it comes to ballot counting, all sorts of stuff.
		And none of those people have been held accountable.
		People making TikToks and all sorts of stuff.
		Those people, if their feet aren't being held to the fire, Well, let's say this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is a preponderance of evidence of fraud occurring in several instances, to the degree we don't actually know because the courts never adjudicated them.
unidentified		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There should be an inquiry and an adjudication.
		However, it's funny when, you know, I don't think Trump lost because of, like, fake ballots or flipping votes in voting machines.
		I think that Democrats Outright said what they did in the shadow campaign article for Time Magazine, that they had mass ballot harvesting operations, that governors changed the voting rules in violation of the Constitution, and then when the state legislature said, hey, we have a question about this, they said, too bad.
		So it's a procedural question, not a fraud question.
		Do they allow ballot harvesting?
		And they did, when in many states it was legal, in some states it was not.
		My point is only this.
		Conflict, crisis, and violence is not winning.
		Violence erupting in this country is a defeat of anybody.
		If anything ends up happening where a fight breaks out, every time a fight breaks out or violence breaks out, between the left and the right, everyone's lost.
		When January 6th happened, Trump and everyone on the right took a strategic defeat.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Even on the left, everybody lost that day.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What a horrible misuse of justice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And politically, the right lost a tremendous deal.
		All we can say right now is, You are standing on a sheet of ice, and it may be difficult to cross, and it may be unlikely, but the only thing you can try and do is walk the edge and try and make it to the other side.
		We are hoping that there is a path forward through legitimate, legal, electoral means, and it seems to be, based on all the data coming out right now, that's the case.
		It appears that what they're doing by indicting Trump and his lawyers, and arresting the J6ers, and decreeing guns are illegal, is a panicked, desperate attempt to create some kind of shock content where they can muster up something for 2024.
		Bud Light, Target, Sound of Freedom, Richmond, north of Richmond, the cultural victories are in the billions.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man, private sector, that's where it's at.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that is reflected in the electorate, with Joe Biden's numbers on the decline and collapsing.
		You do not get $30 billion lost on Bud Light and no reflection in politics.
		Of course the people who stopped drinking Bud Light are voting for Trump.
		There's, there's, there's, there's, there's, look, if you come to me and said, Here's a guy who boycotted Bud Light over the dilemma of anything.
		Do you think he's voting for Trump?
		In no circumstance would I ever make a bet that person would vote against Trump.
		But if you look at the massive moves that were made against Target, Disney, Netflix, Bud Light, all of this is indicative of a populist...
		Massive populist movement being successful.
		And the reason Republicans lose in 2020, they didn't do as well in Congress, and they win the presidency, is because the Democrats procedurally outplayed them.
		Using Russell Malin voting, unquestionable.
unidentified		What do you think about the 2022 election though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Republicans did not ballot harvest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They did not engage with how the Democrats were handling universal mail-in voting.
unidentified		That was something that Trump did really well, objectively, in 2016, was the way that they targeted mail-in voting and early voting and all sorts of stuff.
		That was a real shift for the Republican Party, to focus on that in the campaign.
		And they didn't do it in 2020, which is mind-blowing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's like four to one, Democrat ground activism versus Republican ground activism.
		Then you add in the fact that Democrats live next to each other, and in suburbs you have houses lined up, whereas in rural areas where conservatives live, the houses are far apart.
		Meaning, two Democrats can hit 100 houses in an hour, and two Republicans can hit 15.
		That is the advantage of the Democrats in creating universal mail-in voting.
		It was a procedural shift, it was the bulk of how they pulled it off, and Trump only needs 42,000 in these key states.
		So why are they indicting him in Georgia?
		They are panicked and desperate and need to get his name off the ballot because they can't win.
		So everyone needs to recognize that.
		The one thing they're hoping for.
		Why are they decreeing guns illegal?
		They are desperately hoping that someone gets violent.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		About that, the real quick on the guns being the declaring guns illegal.
		They used a public health announcement.
		And that was the I think that are something that occurred to me.
		That's the same justification they used for violating everybody's rights over COVID.
		Of course.
		Now the precedent so the the COVID stuff has now become precedent to violate your rights.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We saw that coming.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it is, but now we're seeing it actually start to materialize.
unidentified		Because you could really see where the excitement was building.
unidentified		They're like, oh wow, these people will just roll over and let us do anything as long as we call it a public health crisis.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Germans, the Nazis, did that too.
		They were big on eugenics, group exercise, warning against alcohol and tobacco.
		It was a lot about public health.
		I don't know how deeply they took that.
unidentified		Even the Nazi verbiage.
		When they were talking about, you know, Jewish people or whatever, like, they were talking about it as, like, a plague, an epidemic.
		Like, they used a lot of just the way that they talked about it.
		Their dictionary, in that way, was very reflective of a public health incident.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when they start calling people elements, or like, dangerous elements.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And that's already happening to conservatives now.
		You know, the way that they have... Now again, people are gonna go freak out and be like, oh, Phil's making comparisons to World War II and blah blah blah, and that's not my point.
		But, because it's not just World War II.
		There's all kinds of places where you have one group of people demonizing another people in order to get the...
		The population more broadly to hate on the people they're demonizing.
		So you can apply it to World War II but you can also apply it to a bunch of other contexts throughout history.
		It's not exclusively something that's happened in World War II.
		It works.
		You had Hillary Clinton, you know, declaring all of the Trump supporters, throwing them into the basket of deplorables, and since then, and it was probably, it was starting beforehand, but since then, like when she made that comment, that's really when it started to coalesce.
		That people that were outside of the Democrat establishment that were acceptable, that had the acceptable opinions, if you're outside of that, then you are outside of Our democracy and you are to be ignored and marginalized as much as they want, and now they're using the government to clamp down on people for having the wrong political opinions.
unidentified		Which is something I think Trump did better than anybody else, like the deplorable thing and everything, like he takes, like his mugshot for example, he takes something that they think is going to be a gotcha, something that they try to use against him, and he just twists it masterfully, like the man is a marketer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Didn't they do an event called the Deplora Ball?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		People danced and stuff?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it was at the press club in D.C., and so you walked around eating hors d'oeuvres, talking to people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, master of marketing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Cassandra made, I think, Little Keck Frog.
		Statues to give away?
		Or something like that?
		It was, it was, it was- Adorable.
		And Antifa stood outside throwing, uh, rocks and bottles at random people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You should do that stuff, Gavin!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Gavin McGinnis licked one of their faces.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You should do that not in DC.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You should do it in a place where you can carry guns.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, the thing about D.C.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		is that if you're a far-left terrorist who's violently attacking, you know, old conservatives who are going to a building for a private event, the police won't stop you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The police did not arrest, as far as I know, none of these people got arrested for physically attacking people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The police don't arrest leftists that are doing stuff to conservatives.
		If the leftists are doing stuff to, like, police, or if they're making a noise, you might get arrested.
		But if you're leftists attacking the right, they don't arrest you.
unidentified		I mean, the entire Summer of Love.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		100%.
unidentified		You look at these people, like these Antifa people that are throwing essentially makeshift bombs, i.e.
unidentified		something that would be registered as a destructive device in any other context, throwing them at, you know, government buildings, and then the next day their bail is paid and then nothing ever happens.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That point that you just made, that would be a destructive device in literally any other context.
		Every single thing that they were throwing at the federal building in any other context would have to get an NFA approval.
		You'd have to go ahead and have fingerprints and your Passport photo taken, and then you have to be registered with the federal government, and they were throwing them, and it's a $200 tax stamp, and you- ten years for- God, that's- Ten years and quarter million dollar fine, and I do know for a fact, because I was there for some of it during some of the riots, there were ATF on the ground, they were investigating some of that stuff.
unidentified		Nothing ever came of it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
unidentified		Because it wasn't politically, you know- Because they had to get the braces!
		Oh, of course.
		Yeah, of course.
		The braces were the real problem.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The braces were running around.
unidentified		Molotov cocktails being thrown into 250-year-old buildings.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't the literal communist revolutionaries that were throwing Molotov cocktails and firebombs at the federal building.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You had to get the braces because it...
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If that had been handled properly, would it have been like the executive Trump, the president, would have issued, like, National Guard?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, or the state would have had, like, National Guard if they're firebombing or attacking a federal building?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What was the federal police when they went out there?
unidentified		Well, because they were there.
		Marshals?
		It was the ATF.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was the ATF.
unidentified		Yeah, the ATF was there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Portland?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Whoever the federal building was, yeah, I think it was the Portland.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was an amalgam of federal law enforcement agencies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you had ICE, you had CBP, you had FPS.
unidentified		Even in the local ones, like where I was at at the time in Fayetteville.
		Uh, they, they had, uh, there was Molotov cocktail that was thrown into, uh, the market house there.
		Like, downtown.
		Because I think that was where, uh, George Floyd's family was from, if I'm not mistaken.
		It's an old building from the 1700s.
		And, uh, ATF was there.
		The next day, investigating.
		And nothing ever came of it.
		And technically, that is something that is supposed to be an NFA-registered item.
		But, of course, nothing ever comes of it, because that's not politically prudent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that the left wants the conflict so they can use it as a pretext for removing the Constitution.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There are people on the left that do.
		I don't know, I'm not going to say that it's your average Democrat.
		I think your average Democrat is actually a useful idiot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The banality of evil.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because they're idiots, and because they don't pay attention.
		But yes, there is definitely... I mean, there is a... We're in the middle of a cultural revolution right now.
		These fights that we're having, the culture war that we're having, it is a cultural revolution.
		You can't say that we are in a culture war, but say, no, we're not in a cultural revolution.
		Because it's the same thing!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, earlier, when Brianna Wu was on the culture war, she said that what's happening with J6ers, holistically, is the right direction.
		And I said, the Proud Boys got two decades.
		Is that justified?"
		And her position was, I did not look at those specific stories, but I think generally it's good.
		And I said, that is the banality of evil.
		The question of how do evil acts become commonplace?
		Because the average person just assumes it's fine, or it's the right thing, without looking at the individuals who are having their rights violated.
		There is no circumstance in any sane person's mind where you knock over a temporary barricade and you get 19 and a half years in prison.
		There is no circumstance in a sane person's mind where you aren't even there and they give you 22 years.
		Only people who did not pay attention to these cases and don't care or are tribally satisfied by destroying the lives of other people would want these things to be the case.
unidentified		I'll take it a step further.
		There's people that I know that I've talked to that think that even just being there, because I've talked about a couple cases that I knew of just, you know, allegorically, that We're not even in the Capitol.
		They didn't even get into the Capitol, but they were just there at what later became the January 6th, the turning turn of the next 9-11, that were then investigated by the FBI and were given a temporary ban from D.C.
		and a bunch of other stuff.
		And people have argued in favor of that.
		They're like, yeah, well, they were there.
		They should have known what that would become.
		And I'm over here thinking, like, you are Literally there to listen to the then sitting president of the United States speak.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are people who got fired from their jobs simply because they were in D.C.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		on January 6th, nowhere near the Capitol.
unidentified		Well, what's crazy is that even if you were there, even if you were listening to Trump speak there, who was, you know... Well, but let's clarify.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump was not speaking at the Capitol.
unidentified		Right, right.
		No, no, no.
		Not at the Capitol, but they're in D.C.
		At a protest, that is literally the first amendment, is your right to peaceably assemble.
		That is the first amendment in the Bill of Rights.
		That is a very constitutionally protected action, and people are advocating, well, they should have known.
		Yeah, I fully believe that they should have been targeted for that.
		That blows my mind that people are even making that argument.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there are people who lost their jobs because they were at the Ellipse listening to Trump speak, and then went home.
		And then people were like, whoa, you were in D.C.
		during January 6th?
		Don't know, don't care.
		So there are a lot of people who were in D.C.
		on that date who did not go anywhere near the Capitol, who have had social repercussions just for that.
		It just seems to me... I don't know, man.
		There's no logical argument against this getting worse.
		And it's an unfortunate thing.
		I would much prefer to just play Magic the Gathering all day, play poker all day, then go skateboarding, play some music, and not be involved in anything like this.
		It'd be much better if I- if I did one video per day where I was like, here are the new polling numbers.
		Donald Trump wants to increase taxes on imports.
unidentified		Ooh.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Last night I thought- Everyone chills.
		But instead- I was gonna message you and be like- I just said it to your Italian person.
		If we win the culture war, it's gonna happen in Baldur's Gate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You mean, like, we're gonna win a video game, but the rest of the world just burns?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I meant was, we'll be streaming online, we'll have a hundred million people watching or something like that.
		Like, ten million people will watch us stream a video game and, like, see the humanity in us and, like, then the politics will become evident and obvious.
		If they like you, they believe you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the problem is... I disagree.
		There are people, like, you're not... there's never going to be a degree of influence like that again.
		Uh, because of the way the internet operates.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, you got guys like Elon.
		You got... I don't know, in fact, you may be right, but in a way you kinda, it might be greater than it ever has been in the history of humanity.
		The way that one human can rally the rest with the internet.
unidentified		I don't necessarily know if it's one human, but I do like the idea that now you have the entire information gathering source is open source.
		For the first time so you're not relying on Walter Cronkite for what America believes. It's it's very
		Well distributed now, so like there there is a chance like that, but I don't think it's gonna be one person
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, it would be it wouldn't be one individual one person's always the tip of the spear
		And then it's just but they're a result of their community.
		Yeah, and But really what that meant, the Cultural War will be won in Baldur's Gate, is that if we continue to try and find a political solution to the military-industrial complex, it will lead us down to failure.
		There's no political, there's no way to take power away.
		I mean, you need to inspire the masses, and I think that's done through cultural endeavor, scientific endeavor, TV shows, arts and entertainment.
		And then you get these six nine-year-olds, by the time they're twenty, they're ready to make something great.
		They already know, they've been thinking about it their whole lives, and they know how to do it.
unidentified		Do you need to inspire the masses, or do you need to inspire the 5% of people on the fence that aren't doing anything?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's fractal, so you only need to inspire a small amount that then will inspire small amounts that will inspire small amounts.
		It fractals out.
		So you, as an individual, probably only need to inspire about 100,000 people, maybe 80,000 people.
unidentified		Probably the best case I've ever seen for that was Ron Paul.
unidentified		Like the ramifications of what Ron Paul did.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ron Paul created a generation of populists, of libertarian populist types.
		I look at so many of the people who today we talk with, who come on the show, and they're all like, whatever their political views are, they're like, I used to watch a lot of Ron Paul.
		That movement back in 2008 was more influential.
		I bet you've got Uniparty Democrats and Republicans sitting around a room being like, if we just had a time machine we'd go back and we would not let Ron Paul anywhere near the presidential elections.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Him and Dennis Kucinich was pretty cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was good too, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was very good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And Mike Gravel.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I thought those guys were pretty weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then you ended up with, only a few years later, after Obama, the left and right-wing populist uprising, for which Bernie is too weak to maintain, and gave to Donald Trump, who kicked the doors in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Corporations are like, let's profit!
		And the CCP is like, let's control!
		Let's manipulate!
		Create TikTok!
		Spam their children!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating to me, one of the talking points that we had earlier with the culture war was, I was asked if I thought the intelligence agencies should be destroyed, and I said that, like, almost all of them should be fired in government.
		There needs to become some kind of, like, civilian oversight audit of all of these systems, and a termination, and a restructuring.
		You know, because I am not the anarchist libertarian, shut it all down overnight, just ban everything.
		I know Thomas Massey's like, no more DOE.
		I'm more like, you know, audit, termination, or maybe even immediate termination, then audit, and then assessment, and restructuring, or dismissal.
unidentified		I can't think of a better formula for rot in DC than a federal agency that, by definition, cannot expose its dealings to the public.
unidentified		That just seems like a breeding ground for really bad stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I said that the intelligence agencies were abject evil.
		And I was like, I don't understand how anyone, especially on the left or Democrat, after everything they've done, and we know they've done, would sit here and be like, no, they're good and necessary.
		The NSA?
		Well, we know all about the clapper lying to Congress and the mass spying they're doing.
		The FBI?
		Should we bring up Martin Luther King Jr.?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the interesting thing is, What we're told by the left is climate change is bad, the oceans have acidified, the trees are being torn down, the world is on fire, and it is the fault of us and these corporations.
		By the way, they're being propped up by the US intelligence apparatus going to war around the world to maintain the petrodollar.
		And then I have people come in here and say, but they're doing good work.
		And I'm like, not by your own logic.
		If you want all of these bad things, if you think America is bad, fundamentally racist, mass polluting, and needs to stop, well then why would you agree with the intelligence apparatus maintaining all of these things by like, you know, why would you agree with the US military securing oil in Syria with soldiers?
		You'd be like, oil's bad.
		Stop sending our soldiers overseas to guard it.
		But they don't.
		It's a contradictory worldview of, we like the war in Ukraine for gas and oil, and we like international conflict, but we'll pretend sometimes that we don't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Uh, it's like conflict resolution.
		I think that's part of the psyche of the human, is the desire to overcome some sort of conflict, like build self-esteem.
		I find it in video games.
		You know, probably people find it with their kids, probably.
		I don't have kids, but like, what do you, how do you find your conflict resolution?
		Working out helps me, too.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like you're talking about the power principle that, uh, Uncle Ted was talking about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ted Kaczynski?
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, what is it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever read, you ever, you haven't read the Manifesto?
unidentified		Actually, real quick, on that, I was shocked at the lack of I guess inspiration that his death led to.
		I immediately saw him like, oh, Ted Kaczynski died, and that's very public.
		That's going to lead to a massive rise in people reading that book and realizing, yeah, Uncle Teddy K had some points.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know, that's the scary thing is Sticks, Hex, and Hammer made a really great point a while ago.
		We were on a panel.
		uh... someone tried quoting some like white nationalist guy and then uh... my response was why you know why you bring it up a white nationalist in the conversation and his his views And then Sticks said, yeah, the guy's got bad views, but let's not discount an accurate quote because a bad person said it.
		And I'm like, oh, I completely agree with that.
		I just, my view was kind of like, I think that person's trying to goad us into jumping into their, you know, conversation about Israel.
		But Sticks made a really great point in that a lot of really bad people said a lot of really important things.
		You know what I mean?
		And it's like, Hitler liked dogs, you know what I mean?
		You need to make sure that you're discarding and challenging all the really dark and evil things, but you don't immediately assume everything is always going to be dark and evil, because then we'd all be like, liking dogs is bad because it makes you like Hitler.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Same thing with good people, like Martin Luther King was a womanizer, but you don't shred his meaningful message because he slept around and cheated on his wife.
unidentified		We'll tell that to the FBI.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
		Yeah, let's jump into this story from the post-millennial.
		Rich women of the view want illegal immigrants in New York resettled elsewhere.
		Uh, what?
		No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		This is a sanctuary city, okay?
ana navarro ▲ ● ▼		But frankly, you know, I think we need to find, and we've dealt with this before.
		I lived in Miami.
		I was a migrant, an immigrant in Miami in the 80s.
		You'll remember when we had the Marielle boat lift.
		125,000 Cubans came in a matter of six months.
		It puts tremendous stress on a city, on a community, on the social services.
		They need to be resettled elsewhere.
		They need to be spread out.
		This is a massive country.
unidentified		And it's only going to get worse with global warming and climate change.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to pause right there, Joy Behar.
		I don't know the other lady's name.
		No, you're a sanctuary city.
		You voted for it.
		New York is a sanctuary city.
		We should keep sending more.
		In fact, I hereby call on all border states to send as many people as possible to New York City.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They absolutely should.
unidentified		Well, a lot of places, especially like New York, and these people will vote for stuff because they're so isolated from it.
		Like, they're not there.
		They're not on the border.
		Oh, yeah.
		You know, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, they have to see it every day because that is where the flood is coming.
		Yeah.
		And they're over there, two and a half thousand miles away, like, oh, this is fine.
		Oh, we should be a sanctuary city.
		I'm like, that's really nice.
		You don't have to deal with this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's disgusting, and that's why they can have those opinions, because it's not real to them.
		It's an abstraction that they don't have to worry about, that doesn't touch them.
		Now, that's why Eric Adams is all, oh, we're always going to be a sanctuary city, because the number of actual illegal immigrants that they were getting because of their geographic location was totally manageable.
		As soon as you change the situation and start launching people into New York City, all that bravado about worse sanctuary cities, that stuff's out the window.
		Because in reality, these policies that they swear up and down that they want to have, don't effing work.
		Period.
		Just don't work.
		Like, you have bumped into reality, and when your ideology bumps into reality, friggin' reality wins.
		Every friggin' time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You are on the border?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You live on the border?
unidentified		My house is probably, as a crow flies, like maybe two and a half, three hours from the Mexican border.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Two and a half, three hours?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're running for the House of Representatives for the 23rd District?
unidentified		Yeah, TXCD23.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's the border situation like in your district?
unidentified		Oh, it's atrocious.
		So, the Texas District 23, I liken it to a dual-sided wrench, right?
		It's like the western side of San Antonio.
		To the eastern side of El Paso.
		So it has more border frontage in that district than any district in the country.
		And it's just insane.
		You see a lot of these border towns and whatnot are dealing with this problem every day.
		And you have the class of rich liberal intellectuals that can postulate about these things, but they don't have to see it.
		They're isolated from it.
		They get to have these, you know, fantastical opinions about, oh, this is the way we should be treating them.
		And, oh, I can't believe you do that.
		But they're not seeing the fact that and now a statistically important percentage of the U.S.
		population in the last five years, the increase in the U.S.
		population has come from illegal immigrants crossing the southern border.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know what the number is?
unidentified		I heard the term five million or the figure five million the other day in the last, I think, since Biden took office.
unidentified		I'm not sure if that's correct.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I imagine so many of them are undocumented.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Five million that are documented, that people are aware of.
unidentified		Because there's no real way to know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what's the sentiment of the people in the 23rd district?
unidentified		Especially, not only just from common sense, but from all the polling that we're doing, is that the immigration issue is the number one issue in the district.
unidentified		These people are fed up with it, and they're fed up with the way that politicians are handling it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How would you protect the district?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What would you do different?
unidentified		So I like a lot of Chip Roy's stuff, some of the stuff he's put up, which Tony has actively worked against.
		Tony Gonzalez, the incumbent Republican I'm running against.
		It's basically just trying to shut down the border entirely.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What the guy is trying to do?
unidentified		Chip Roy, yeah.
		Chip Roy is actually, I would say, a really, really good Republican.
		He runs the district, Bernie Texas, right down the road from me.
		That district.
		He's got some really, really good stuff.
		He's a very firm border guy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Shut it down.
		First of all, what does it even look like?
		Is it just flat?
		People can just walk across a sidewalk?
		Or is there a river?
unidentified		It depends.
		Well, there's a river there.
		That's a lot of the viral footage that's gone around the internet lately, where they have the buoys with the quote-unquote saw blades in the middle.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We gotta remove those now?
unidentified		Yeah, I think there's been a lot of moves by the Biden administration to actively remove border barricades and things like that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Were those put up by locals?
unidentified		They were put up by the state, I believe.
unidentified		I believe.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it's like they were floating buoys with literal saw blades between the buoys so people could swim through?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's razor wires, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, I looked at it.
		It's not like a malicious-looking saw blade.
		It looks like a piece of sheet metal that has a jagged edge there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was cutting people and killing them or something?
unidentified		I don't think it is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		It's obstructing U.S.
		waterways.
		That's why they have to remove it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So when you say shutting down, what would a shutting down of the border look like?
		Because I feel like it's not, like, what does that mean exactly?
unidentified		Well, there's a lot of Border Patrol folks, especially, that are tasked with managing that section of the border that aren't given the equipment and anything they need.
		So that they're purposely being, I guess, suppressed in that way.
		There's a lot of frustration.
		A lot of frustration, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is the headline... Excuse me.
		Headline from the New York Daily News.
		Two bodies found stuck in Rio Grande floating barrier along US-Mexico border, according to Mexican officials.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you didn't know saw blades were in there, you might try and swim and climb over it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I don't know if there's saw blades in there.
unidentified		I don't think the saw blades were the reason why they died.
		It's something that's also not really talked about very often is that finding dead migrants is just a thing that happens in the state of Texas.
		All the time.
		All the time.
		Like there's a ranch down the road in Uvalde that we go to a lot that has had issues with that where like there are literally dead migrants will wash up and they just find them.
		And that's a good two hours in from the border.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I feel like historically it's been the most, when countries have had to deal with mass, mass migration against their will, that it's been the most gruesome defensive measures have been taken and they just don't document it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because otherwise, or you hear about the Roman Empire getting overthrown by the immigration.
unidentified		And let me be really clear, this is not like US defensive border policy that's killing them.
		It's just the elements.
		If you've ever tried to walk anywhere in Texas with limited provisions for days at a time, That is a very, very deadly venture if you're not careful.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Dude, walk a mile, like today, outside.
unidentified		Here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		95 degrees.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Never walk through the desert in Texas.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I got back from Texas like over 100 for the entire time I was there.
unidentified		Yeah, the entire last week I was just back in San Antonio.
unidentified		It's like 107 degrees is kind of the normal in the middle of the day.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What would be an example of U.S.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		defensive measures?
unidentified		A wall?
		A wall is, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, you know, you can call the wall what you will, but a lot of Democrats said that the wall was just a massive waste of money.
		Some of the lower estimates were like single-digit billion dollars, like eight billion dollars, but we can give hundreds of billions to Ukraine.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's money that they need to send to Pakistan to teach kids about gender studies.
unidentified		Right right so it's like that that's a that's a good you know that's a good starting place and also giving the the border patrol folks the the equipment and the things that they need to actually do their job.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What equipment?
unidentified		Whether it's you know uh just a the ability to staff the people that they need like the the people they need to actually work the border uh vehicles access to resources like and the states are willing to do that but the federal government isn't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the federal government, are they withholding federal funds from the process?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or are they actually legally impeding state defense?
unidentified		I'm not sure if they've legally impeded state defense.
		They're doing a lot of stuff like this.
		I've seen, there was one example, I think it was the countermeasure that they put up in the water, they were told to remove.
		But there was another one, I think it was in Arizona or New Mexico, that they were told to take the barrier down.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Shipping containers.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, the shipping container, thank you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They blocked off waterways with shipping containers?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nope, just flat ground.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they made a makeshift wall using shipping containers and they're like, I don't know, you can't do that.
		And they're like, why?
		And they're like, we don't know, but you know, Oh my God.
unidentified		Yeah.
		So it's like a state trying to protect their own border and the federal government actively said like, you know, and it's not a tax, it's not a taxpayer money thing because they, if that were the case, they would just leave it there.
		But they said, no, you actively have to remove this now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Someone said, it was on Twitter, that the reason that they're allowing, the federal government's allowing such mass migration as immigration is because the birth rates are down and they need new slave labor.
		Tongue-in-cheek slave labor.
		They need new citizenry.
		And like, unless we're going to have a bunch of kids, the writing's on the wall and they need a larger population.
unidentified		If they were that philanthropic about it, I think they would openly say it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like we need more people.
unidentified		Right, which is not the argument that they're making.
		They're not that transparent.
		So there's obviously something else at work.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What, like a wall?
		What else?
		I mean, how can you prevent this illegal mass migration?
unidentified		Well, there's a lot of things.
		Like I said, giving Border Patrol the tools that they need to actually do their jobs, a wall is a good start.
		But really, one of the things that I think that would help are just the removal of a lot of the entitlements, too.
		Because if you remove entitlements, a lot of that desire to migrate goes away.
		You've actually seen, too, and it's an actual observable effect.
		The way that the U.S.
		economy fluctuates has an effect on illegal immigration from Mexico, which is a really interesting stat.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You talk about that.
		That's one of the things that Libertarians like a lot.
		There's a lot of open borders for Libertarians.
		Countries shouldn't exist.
		You should just be able to move freely where you want.
		The only kind of borders that there should be are borders for property rights.
		If you have property, you can say people can come onto it, but states shouldn't be able to do that.
		And, to me, it's compelling in the idea that, like, people should be free, right?
		Like, that's genuinely, that's what my gut instinct is.
		But, you can't have an open border and be giving away the type of entitlements that we do here in the U.S.
		You know, when you've got Social Security, unemployment, all kinds of social programs that are available to people that come to the U.S.
		or that are citizens of the U.S.
		If you get rid of the entitlements, then you can have open borders.
		Because the situation is, if you want to come here and work, come work.
unidentified		Even just listen to the conversation that they're having about, in New York and where they're getting a lot of these migrants bussed in, the conversations they're having is like, how do we logistically, how do we feed these people?
		How do we clothe these people?
		How do we put them into homes?
		How do we wash their clothes?
		Like, how do we do all these things?
		How do we teach their children?
		It's like, these are all just strains on the economic system that they're being thrown into.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You don't!
unidentified		You don't?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because they're here illegally!
		And they shouldn't be here!
		Send them home!
		You gotta go back!
		I mean, go home.
		You know?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Huge deportation, you support that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now hold on!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It depends on what you're talking about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I propose a program where when people come to the border, we ask them, what country are you coming from?
		And we ask them a few, we have a questionnaire about their country and our country, and they're allowed to stay Because at the same time, communist leftists are lining up on the other side of the border, and we do a one-for-one swap with the anti-communist Venezuelans and Cubans for the communist hipster Brooklynites.
		And I think we can all agree that's a good thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's like what people would do with, like, prisoners of war.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They call it repopulation, where they would just take a huge section of their populace and move it somewhere.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Swap them?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If it's against their will.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're at the southern border, and there's a line of people, and a guy walks up, and he's like, where are you from?
		He's like, Venezuela.
		And it's like, okay, and your views on socialism?
		It's really bad, I want to go to America.
		It's like, okay, and you, sir?
		Where are you from?
		I'm from Brooklyn.
		And you?
		Communism?
		I do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Swap!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're good!
unidentified		Let- let- We just don't accept them back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can't come back?
unidentified		No, you're gone.
unidentified		No take-backsies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You go to Venezuela.
		You go to Cuba.
		You go to communism land like you dreamed of.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So, like, Social Security goes to illegal immigrants at the moment?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I really don't know what kind of entitlements these people are getting at the moment.
unidentified		I don't think it's Social Security, but... Think about what you can get without an ID.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there's a lot.
		And so, you can actually get an ID without proper documentation.
		And then once you have an ID, you can apply for literally anything.
		People don't understand that our system of, you know, welfare, it's not like everything's integrated perfectly and they know exactly who everyone is all the time.
		It's not like this gigantic mainframe has your face, your social, your Facebook profile, and then when you apply they're like, it all makes sense.
		No, when you go to one agency they're like, probably.
		That's why a lot of people who are not citizens get driver's licenses and they get registered to vote.
		There was an old lady who voted not being a citizen because she got her license.
		They automatically registered her.
		She did not know she wasn't allowed to do it or whatever.
		It doesn't matter.
		And they were like, that's a felony.
		You're going to prison.
		You're not a citizen.
		You can't vote.
		But it's like, that's how it works.
unidentified		And thank God there is no overarching entity that has all this information.
unidentified		Because could you imagine how scary the federal government would be if they were competent?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was just AI being like, you said 19 years ago, the way your eyes shifted when this was said indicates that you are not trustworthy.
		Yeah, I've heard that the Department of Education's a total mess, that the loan programs, who owes what, it's just no one has any idea what's going on.
		People, paperwork's lost and misplaced.
		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The Department of Education gives out loans?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In conjunction with like, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anything about that, but I agree that the Department of Education is a mess and we should just get rid of it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They took on a bunch of stuff.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They've been spending more money every year since their inception in 1979.
		Grade scores have been going down every year since their inception in 1979.
		The idea that people couldn't be educated before the Department of Education is actually ridiculous.
		All of the important discoveries in the 21st century were made pre-1970, or in the 20th century, my bad, in pre-1979.
		Like, split the atom, design nuclear power plants, blah blah blah blah.
		All this stuff happened before the Department of Education.
		We will be fine without the frickin' Department of Education.
		I tend to lean on the- It's infuriating.
		People say that, oh, we're gonna have people that aren't on education, blah blah blah.
		Newton wrote the Principia!
		He figured out how gravity frickin' works and the math to describe it without the Department of Education!
unidentified		I tend to lean on the side of, you know, government, no matter what it's doing, is the black thumb of industry.
		Nothing will be better because the government runs it.
		It's like, should we take care of our veterans?
		Absolutely.
		That's a fantastic thing to do.
		Should we create a government program to do it?
		That's where you get the VA and the absolute cluster that that is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anybody that says they think the VA is really, really good.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		There's people that kill themselves in the VA regularly.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's people that kill themselves in the VA parking lot!
unidentified		Yeah, no, like, literally, I mean, yeah, like, in the lobby, yeah.
unidentified		That is a thing that happens regularly and we don't talk about it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So, like, privatizing an aspect of that, you think, could be a good business opportunity?
unidentified		Not even a business opportunity, but, like, just, like, we, I think, at a certain point, should look at the obligations that we have to our veterans and realize, like, okay, is there a private sector solution to this that doesn't end up like private prisons?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		The thing about centralized power and authority is, if it works, okay, I guess it's working.
		Decentralized might be better, but when it fails, the entire system fails.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's why, even if you have a government program that works marginally, or works even, say well, right?
		Even if you have a government program that works well, you had to risk the government program not working, being instituted, never going away because government programs don't go away.
		Look at the Patriot Act.
		Look at all the stuff that we still have that everybody talks about how much they hate.
unidentified		What was that?
		I think it was Milton Friedman.
		There's nothing more permanent than a temporary government.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But why don't we attach sunset clauses to all the bills?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I love this.
		I love, love, love this.
		But asking them to attach sunset clauses is like asking them to vote for themselves to get a pay cut.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They just won't.
		I like sunset clauses.
		That makes a lot of sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no matter what the law is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because if it's a good law, everyone will be like, oh, okay, yeah, fine!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and a lot of programs would still maintain their funding, like, all in favor of funding the, you know, Department of Education, bang, no questions asked.
		You know, all in favor, not funding, but reinstating the, like, a lot of these programs would just stay.
		Some of them, people would be like, I have no idea what that program is.
		Like, there's laws that shouldn't be on the books that are on the books, and they'd just be like, we vote on that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, they never repeal laws, they just stop enforcing them, which is a terrible idea, because that means the government still has that power, and then they can go ahead and say, oh, well, he did this thing, and you know what, there's this weird, obscure law from 150 years ago, and we can blah blah blah, and we can charge him with this.
		They were doing that, I forget the name of the act, but they were doing that with Trump.
		What was it, the... Logan.
		The Logan Act, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I really want to do?
		If I was a cop in Florida, I would drive, I would look up, in my jurisdiction, skydiving.
		I would ask them, like, where do you typically land, like, when you guys are coming down.
		And then, as soon as the women land with their parachutes, I would arrest them on the spot.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		On Sundays?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am, it is illegal for you to skydive on Sunday.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they'd be like, what?
unidentified		And I'd be like, here's the law.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Bitches jail!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's your fault!
		You go to jail!
		You go to Boston, they have laws that works like you can't put a pie on your window sill on a Tuesday or something
		like that.
		It's like Sunday.
		And the reason was back when everything was really small, putting a pie on the window sill could attract animals.
		And it was like a church gathering where no one was around so then a bear would wander in the town.
		So they're like, you guys gotta stop putting pies on your window sills to cool.
		And so you show up, you look around for someone who's got a pie near,
		because I don't think anyone's actually putting it on, but I'll look through that window and if I see a pie anywhere
		near that, I'm like, ma'am, you're under arrest.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is, uh, it looks like the law you were referencing in Florida was struck down.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, my law!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		This is lawlessness!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In which unmarried women are not allowed to go parachuting on Sundays, and then it says not anymore, and it's doubtful there ever was.
unidentified		Hold on.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is from skeptics.
unidentified		I'm very curious why it was specifically unmarried women.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Florida?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude, dude.
		In West Virginia, it's illegal to cohabitate.
		Unless you're married.
		So, like, you know what, man?
		We need reform in this country.
		Laws need to go away.
		Yeah. If you're going to enforce these laws against Trump, I want to see some cop be like,
		uh, excuse me, sir. I couldn't help but notice that woman with you is going into the same building.
		Do you both live here? We do. You're under arrest. You're not married. You're under arrest.
unidentified		Imagine how much harder it is to be an attorney nowadays than it was in 1874. Just how many more
unidentified		laws just by volume are on the list.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was a fine, anyway.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Was it because they didn't want to show their underwear or something?
		There's only single women.
		No parachuting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was a petty offense.
		So it's just a... You get a ticket for it.
		Which is so weird.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I love these crazy old laws.
unidentified		I just love that this is after the plane.
unidentified		But before modern common sense.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, was it?
unidentified		Parachuting, specifically?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know when the law was originated.
unidentified		Well, I just assume it had to be after the airplane.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Right, because you can't jump out of a plane with a parachute unless it's been done.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And I do think that base jumping came after planes because they had to invent the parachute.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yo, this one really, really irks me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's illegal in Maryland to sell cars on Sunday.
unidentified		No!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A lot of states have that law.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so... Is that still enforced?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Like, at noon?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're all shut down on Sundays.
		Yup.
		So, when we were, when we were, uh, we needed to guest, like, a vehicle for, for, you know, guest, uh, uh, pickup and stuff?
		When can I go?
		I do a morning show and a night show.
		I can't go during the week.
		Just Saturday.
		Ah, but everyone closes early on Saturday.
		So it's like the only day I could go to buy a car is Saturday.
		And then on Sunday it's like they're all closed.
		I think it's true in Virginia as well.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Where's that law come from?
unidentified		Uh, church.
unidentified		Oh.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Blue laws.
unidentified		That's what they're called.
		Blue laws.
		Yep.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They had blue laws in Massachusetts for a long time, stuff like you couldn't be, uh, couldn't have stores open on Sundays and stuff when I was growing up, but by the time I was a teenager, like, they were all gone.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Uh, they actually, I think they actually did repeal them, but I'm not 100% sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wow, blue law is a legal restriction designated for Sunday activity.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma, now you can't make faces at a dog.
		We had a listicle from BuzzFeed!
		Illegal to eat a frog if it died during a frog jumping competition?
		Illegal to sing in your swimsuit.
		Oh man, this is it.
		Florida, you go to Miami Beach, you put on Bohemian Rhapsody, and then as soon as the people inevitably start singing, you go, ma'am, you're under arrest.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You are under arrest!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't have a donkey sleeping in your bathtub after 7 p.m.
		in Arizona.
		Bro, if I want my donkey in my bathtub, ain't no one telling me otherwise.
		Look at this one.
		Kansas, it's illegal to serve ice cream on cherry pie.
		I remember this one.
		This one's like a very famous example of a weird law.
		And I don't know what the reason was.
		They don't know how I got on the books.
		It's against the law to eat an orange while taking a bath.
unidentified		Some of these just had to be legislatures just screwing with people, right?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Like a quota to fill?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Of laws?
unidentified		They're like, wouldn't this be funny?
unidentified		Won't people talk about this a hundred years from now?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand the or- no orange in a bath.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I don't- I mean, I know Florida is known for oranges, but- What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's illegal to eat fried chicken by any other means than your hands?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		What?
		See, with a fork, you can't do it.
		A fork.
unidentified		Whoa.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here we go, in Louisiana, a woman can't drive a car without her husband waving a flag in front of it.
unidentified		That's why I've never gotten a wreck in Louisiana.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Also, Virginia as well.
		Only on Main Street, though.
		The husband has to walk in front of her waving a red flag.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		So single women can't drive, period.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		See, this one's dumb.
		It says in Maine it's illegal to bite your landlord.
		Dude, it's illegal everywhere to bite anyone.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's assault.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's assault.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is this law?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't throw knives at men wearing striped suits.
		You can't throw knives at anyone!
		Come on.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Even if they, but maybe it's if they, if they're like, it's okay this time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, it's still not, just so you know.
unidentified		It's like the once upon a time in Hollywood things, like, if I kill someone on accident, you know, these hands are deadly weapons.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Vertical stripes cause an optical illusion, which messes with my balance.
unidentified		Anybody kills anyone on accident, it's manslaughter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't eat hamburgers on Sunday in Minnesota.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That has gotta change.
unidentified		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What a weird world.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can't eat cottage cheese on Sunday in Florida.
		Don't tie a crocodile to an alligator.
		Crocodile or an alligator to a fire hydrant.
		Well, okay then.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I can see that being a fire hazard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't eat ice cream after 6 p.m.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		in New Jersey?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can't purchase it.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But you can eat it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to America.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea how any of that is real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's illegal to push a moose out of a moving airplane.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know that happened quite a bit in Alaska if they had to make it illegal.
unidentified		How do you get a moose onto an airplane?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You just walk him on the back.
unidentified		Cargo.
		There's, uh... Also, this is specifically cargo planes they're pushing them out of.
		That's, that's cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's that, uh, what's that strip in, um, Montana?
		Or is it Wyoming?
		The Strip of Death or whatever?
		The Zone of Death?
		Where there's no, uh, there's no legal peers, so you can't be criminally charged?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've heard of Yellowstone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's in Yellowstone, the show, they use it as a prop.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Montana, 260 square miles.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, no, that's the park is 260 square miles.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a strip of land where no one lives.
		And so the Constitution requires a jury of your peers, but there's no one in this jurisdiction.
		So they can't actually convene it.
		And it's the silliest thing that people would argue.
		Technically, you could kill someone there and you can't go to jail because there's no jury.
		And it's like, dude, If you get on a boat and go out to international waters and then kill someone, you will be charged with murder.
		It doesn't matter where you are.
		You can't just go and commit crimes and be like, ah, but I was in a special place.
unidentified		Nah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The zone of death is a 50 square mile area in the Idaho section of Yellowstone National Park in which, as a result of a reported loophole in the Constitution of the United States, a person could theoretically avoid conviction for any major crime, up to and including murder.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I bet they'll still throw your ass in jail.
unidentified		Yeah, there has to be an incident of somebody trying that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There has to be.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What does the Wikipedia say?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, there was a guy who killed like a bull moose or something.
		And then when they tried to criminally charge him for it, he said, oh yeah, I will challenge you on constitutional grounds.
		And then they came back and said, if you do that, we'll give you the maximum.
		If you plead guilty, you'll get a slap on the wrist.
		So he pleaded guilty.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, jeez.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Which means they were not ready for that court fight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He'd probably win.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think at this point, the way things are going in this country, you can't expect the courts to actually operate.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When we were dealing with a lawsuit, the first question the lawyer we talked to asked is, which state are you filing in?
		Because if you file in California, you lose.
		If you file in West Virginia, you win.
		Depending on what you're asking.
		If you are a leftist media publication in California, and you file a lawsuit against a conservative, Republican, whatever, you win instantly.
		If you are a conservative in California and file a lawsuit against a liberal, you lose instantly.
		West Virginia, more likely for the conservative win for obvious reasons.
		And I'm just like, you know, when I hear things like that from my lawyer, I just don't think this country's in a healthy place.
		But that's the reality.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like the least unhealthy country.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But that doesn't mean it's healthy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's true, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We actually do really, really well in a lot of ways, but it's falling apart.
unidentified		What's that quote?
unidentified		It's like, democracy is the worst system except for all the others?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Winston Churchill.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But we're not a democracy.
		You know, it's a constitutional republic.
		And it's actually the best.
unidentified		He was British, so you know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, hear that thunder.
unidentified		Thunder?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thunder!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah!
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How's the campaign been so far?
unidentified		Really positive so far.
		It's been really nice.
		We're accomplishing our goal of threatening the seat of a rhino, so that's always a pleasure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What are your tactics to campaigning, I mean obviously TV shows?
unidentified		Well so we're doing really, it's been a lot of just grassroots efforts.
		So we don't have a lot of the big, we don't have any packs, any super packs, anything crazy like that.
		We've just been doing entirely grassroots and really it's It's kind of unconventional because this is the first time I think it's ever... anybody's ever utilized social media to the degree that we have for something like this.
		So a lot of it is Twitter meme warfare, Instagram meme warfare, getting it kind of... Tony Gonzalez is one of those politicians not a lot of people know about.
		You know, there's a lot of politicians, whether it's AOC or Dan Crenshaw, people that are very polarizing figures, but that's only because people talk about them.
		There's a lot of people with worse voting records, people don't know about, like Tony, because they completely slide under the radar.
		So bringing him into the public light and showing bad votes, like him voting for Biden's post-Uvalde gun control, you know, things like that, people don't know about it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What was his, that vote, the post-Uvalde gun control, what was that?
unidentified		Uh, it was, uh, Bill, it was like the Safer Communities Act, uh, which voted to fund, uh, I think it was a lot of mental health stuff and a lot of states, uh, red flag laws and, and a bunch of other things that, that came down, uh, after the Uvalde school shooting that he not only voted for, but said he would, uh, he didn't regret voting for it and he would vote for it twice, twice again on Sunday.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like a red flag laws, meaning if someone has some sort of psychiatric issue, they would come and threaten to take their weapons or something?
unidentified		Well, red flag laws are kind of their own, uh, Interesting issue because it depends.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Monstrosity.
unidentified		Yeah, it varies state to state, but realistically, it's a way that people can, you know, whether it's your neighbor who doesn't like that your tree is too far over into his backyard or it's your, you know.
		Ex-wife who has an axe to grind.
		People can just call and say, like, hey, I think he might be doing something.
		You should go take his guns, because I don't feel safe.
		And then the police will show up and do that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Has it happened?
unidentified		Yes.
		And there are incidents of people dying in shootouts because of it.
		I think one of them was in Maryland, if I'm not mistaken.
		I might be wrong on that, but I think it happened.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Recently?
unidentified		In the last couple years.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So this dude in Texas that you're running against that voted for that stuff, did it actually go through?
unidentified		Yes, I believe it did.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can you repeal that?
unidentified		If it's voted on, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have a story.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Elon suing California?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, we'll just pull this one up.
		I mean, we're kind of it.
		We're pushing into the super chat stuff, but this is from the New York Times and it was updated literally like seven minutes ago.
		New York Times says appeals court rules White House overstepped First Amendment on social media.
		A Fifth Circuit panel partly upheld restrictions on the Biden administration's communications with online platforms about their content.
		Basically, they said that The Biden administration violated the Constitution by telling social media companies to remove COVID misinformation.
		And, uh, I don't know, that's a good thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a huge victory.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Big victory.
		Right now the, uh, Elon Musk is, uh, acts as suing California.
		Under this law.
		And not this one, but under a law that basically would allow censorship and collusion and stuff.
		So, you know, how you guys doing?
unidentified		We're doing pretty good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love debating this stuff, talking about COVID.
		Like, that's one of the biggest sadnesses of the 2021 is like, I wanted to talk about it.
		I wanted to find out what was better, what was right, what was wrong, what was like, And it's... I understand the fear of, like, you don't want to go on TV and tell a hundred million people something that could get them killed.
		Like, I get that aspect of it, but debating it and discussing it and questioning it... And I also understand, like, terrifying health emergencies thing.
		Oh, what if people are dying, actually bleeding out, you know, from flesh-eating bacteria?
		You don't want to tell them, you know, don't worry about it.
unidentified		But... The terrifying nature, though, of having our Silicon Valley overlords say that they are the arbiters of truth and that discourse isn't allowed if
unidentified		they don't agree with it. That's that's its own separate issue. Yeah and it should be I
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		think that the federal government has a duty to to prevent that from happening personally. Sorry
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Phil. No no the externalities are always the point or are always the problem like so.
		So the things that the government wants to do, sometimes they're bad, sometimes they don't look bad, sometimes they actually aren't a bad plan.
		But that doesn't mean that they can plan for all the externalities.
		And it's all of the things that happen consequently because of a law that gets passed.
		That tend to cause problems because people aren't prepared for them.
		I mean, it's like if you pass laws that don't solve the problem, then you've got new laws, you've got enforcement, you've got people losing their rights and stuff like that and you still have the problem.
		So, and once a law is passed, again, we talked about it earlier, once a law is passed, it never gets repealed, because of the incentive in government, you're never going to have a politician say, you know what, that law is bad.
		The law that I passed, that law is bad and it's not working.
		We need to repeal it because my constituents are suffering.
		No, they're going to say, no, we need to do this and do more and blah, blah, blah, blah.
		It's never, oh, this isn't working.
		We'll stop.
		It's, oh, it isn't working.
		Throw more government at it.
unidentified		What's easier, too, is to retcon it, which is what- that is an annoying trend that I've realized, where they retcon it, where they say, no, no, no, we never forced anybody to get the vax, we never forced anybody to do that.
		It was- it was something, you know, you weren't legally required to, it's just that if you worked for the government in any capacity, whether you were a EMS, a cop, any sort of position like that, we would just, you know, it was policy to fire you.
		But you weren't forced to, you had the choice.
		You could just, you know, quit your job, you know, two years before you retire.
		Like, just that retconning of... No, that's called forcing people to do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we're gonna go to Super Chats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, and become a member over at TimCast.com by clicking join us at the website to support our work directly.
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		I think the crazy thing we're trying to do right now is create an anti-Times Square.
		We're gonna open a Casperoo coffee shop, a Cousin T's diner, a Papa Jack- Papa Jack Posobic's Pizza Shack, and, uh, hopefully we can get a MyPillow brick-and-mortar shop, and then create this, like, block-long downtown area in West Virginia of all of these businesses.
		That- that- that is- I got my eyes set on that.
		I think we can do it.
		All it takes is we go one step at a time.
		So, I'm excited for that.
		But that's- that's basically what we do.
		When you become a member, that's what we're focused on.
		Alright, we're gonna read your Super Chats.
		I'm gonna start with this one.
		It's, uh, from a little later on, but I wanna read it.
		Uh, the R-Heretic, with his grossly incorrect assessment, said, Watching Tim eat his words on the Second Amendment after his naive counter to yesterday's guest from Venezuela about America's expanding gun rights in real time is worth $20, even if he doesn't read this super chat as usual.
		Except I was still 100% correct in everything I said.
		So, uh, guest basically said, we're losing our gun rights, and it's actually not true.
unidentified		Yeah, with the expansion of constitutional carry and a bunch of stuff on the state level, like, we do it really well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Half the country is now constitutional carry, there's no question.
		The only reason the New Mexico governor can make this decree is because New Mexico went from no issue to shell issue.
		And now that it's a shell issue state, they have to allow people to get guns, and now they're trying to go back to how it was, like, in the 90s.
unidentified		And it's more than half.
unidentified		I think now it's, like, 27 states?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		At least 26, I'm not sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's 26 listed, but it may be because one's pending.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's more than half the country where you don't need a permit!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And see, your point is right, and the actual situation isn't that gun rights are contracting, like he said, it's that the government is overstepping its legal boundaries.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The federal government isn't allowed to pass these laws.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Gun rights have been expanding tremendously.
		D.C.
		vs. Heller was huge.
		And now we have constitutional carry across the board, half the country.
		And what happened in New Mexico today was panicked desperation from a despot who's issuing a decree.
		That will get struck down by the Supreme Court in two seconds, and here's the best part.
		When it does, it will set precedent that executive orders cannot infringe upon constitutional rights.
		It'll probably be a bit more narrow than that, and they'll say, pretending to guns, but hopefully it's a bit more broad.
unidentified		And you can see even in specific instances like state constitutions, for example, where they're like, well, except for concealed carry, you know, different things like that, where there's even more careful verbiage when those clauses were added years ago than there is now.
unidentified		People are now opening up to things like nationwide reciprocity and stuff like that, which is not a conversation That would have happened in the 90s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we got RJ McDougal says, Did I win?
		Yes sir, you were the first.
		Super chatter.
		You beat I'm Not Your Buddy Guy, who said, They only take away your guns because what they're about to do next would make you want to use them.
		That's what worries me.
		Alright.
		Anthony Brownlee says, OMG it's the AK God.
		I hope you win in Texas and bring down some of those damn gun restrictions.
		Tooie for life.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What inspires you to call the AK guy, your Twitter channel?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The AK 50 that he has yet to deliver.
		The chat is going nuts, by the way.
		I've seen so many people complaining about the fact that there's not been a legitimate real AK.
unidentified		Blame bad suppliers.
		Blame bad American manufacturing, is what it is.
		No, we've got a big update coming on that soon.
		We actually just got our new receiver in yesterday, and it looks totally functional.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You say we?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Who is we?
unidentified		Me and my team.
unidentified		So I've got a team of miscreants that are helping me out with a lot of stuff in the shop, you know, whether it's design stuff or manufacturing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		For your company?
unidentified		Yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What company?
unidentified		The AK Guy, Inc.
		So that's the name of the company now, but it used to be my YouTube handle back in the day when I was, you know, I was the weird AK guy of the group because I always liked the AK platform.
		I always had a fascination with it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You guys manufacture weapons in general, just weaponry?
unidentified		Yes, more specifically the AK platform, but we do a lot of like, you know, especially stuff for the YouTube channel to show off, like World War II machine guns, different just firearms throughout history, because I'm fascinated at the evolution of arms.
unidentified		You know, all the way back from the 1800s, flintlocks, all the way to, you know, the first machine gun, the first submachine gun, uh, you know, just the evolution of firearms has always been intriguing to me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen these guns that are being built with graphene?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The new ones?
unidentified		Uh, in what, uh, which guns?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They just use them in the body.
		I just saw a .22 that was being created.
		I should have logged it and told you about it, but they're lightweight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You see that guy over there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The big one, not the little one.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's an actual, uh, Union Civil War rifled musket.
unidentified		Do you know where it was made?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, No, it's probably on there, but it might be Springfield.
unidentified		Okay.
		Yeah, I was just curious, because Harper's Ferry is pretty close, so I figured, like, you know, a Harper's Ferry... But I don't think they made them here, did they?
		I think they did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, then it may be.
		I got that at an antique store.
		They were, uh... So these are particularly common.
		There were 10,000 of them that were made and never used.
		They were just left in an armory.
		More importantly, the Union stopped... started using breech-loading rifles.
		One of the reasons the South lost Gettysburg was that Confederates were marching into Gettysburg with muzzle-loaded rifled muskets, and the Union had paper cartridge breech-loading rifles.
unidentified		Burnside carbines, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that what they're called?
unidentified		I think so?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brake action, breech load, bang!
unidentified		You pull the trigger guard down, it pops open, the chamber pops open, you throw it in.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think I have a Burnside carbine.
unidentified		Yeah, those things are rad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was at an antique store, and they had one of the early, I think it was an early Winchester, where you load in the stock.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, crazy!
		And then I do love the side load, you know.
		So I've got a Winchester over there, and it's awful, I'm sorry.
		It's super cool, it looks cool, but trying to load a 3030, and the mag tube just jams every single time.
		And then when I deal with those, I'm like, I must be doing something wrong.
		So I ask everybody, they're like, no, it sucks.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mine's a Burnside.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Burnside carbine was invented by Ambrose Burnside.
		The dude where sideburns come from.
		Get a picture of this guy.
unidentified		It was the most productive thing Burnside ever did for the North because he was a terrible general.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He was a general and an inventor.
		We need more military men that are inventors.
		That's what made this country so great in the beginning.
unidentified		Just like, uh, Sir Hiram Maxim.
		The guy who invented the Maxim gun.
		Like, he has a Maxim machine gun.
		That changed warfare.
		That changed the world forever.
		That moved maps.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Holy crap!
unidentified		He was an inventor.
		He invented a bunch of stuff.
		He had the early, uh, concepts for the helicopter.
		He actually invented the first real inhaler.
		And that was, people basically called him a bit of a dork for it.
		And he's like, look, I invented something for the betterment of mankind.
		Watch me create a death machine, and that's what people will know me for.
		And a hundred years later, it's a little crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what happened.
		The Burnside carbine was $38.50 in 1861.
		So what is that by U.S., like, current dollars?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure, but I looked it up when I got it from my dad.
		And at the time, it was a couple thousand dollars for this, for mine.
		And mine's not in perfect condition.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, today's prices are 34 times as high.
		So 34 times higher.
		That might be than 1861.
unidentified		I don't know if that's true or not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It would be 1,399.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you said?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, Ambrose Burnside.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The firing range, a 200-yard shot for something like that is legit.
unidentified		For bare iron sights?
		Yeah.
		That's pretty decent.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		They had some real, like, decent long-range stuff back in the day, like Kentucky rifles and stuff like that.
		The real, like, craftsman-made guns.
		Not necessarily the mass-production stuff.
		Sure, sure.
		But the craftsman stuff, you could get some surprising distance out of that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What did they have that made them so good?
unidentified		Uh, attention to detail, like, especially when you're talking about early cutting of rifling and things, like, concentricity mattered a lot, like, and that's, early machining, this is before electricity, so, like, if you ever go down to, like, Harper's Ferry and see how they made some of this stuff, it's really cool how they basically have it attached to a water mill.
		And that they have a belt system going through the ceiling and everything that's turning their lathes where they were cutting barrels and stuff.
		It's really neat.
		The kind of archaic way by Modern.
		Yeah, I saw that tour.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I went on that tour.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		It was really cool.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's really neat.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Raybert G. Standbert Jr.
		says, Tim, I don't understand how you maintained your composure this morning when Brianna invited you to promote voting as if you don't do it almost every day.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's literally the first thing I said to Tim when he came in today, or when I came in today.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I was like, dude, how did you not kill yourself?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But my view is, uh, I thought it was a good conversation.
		I operate under the assumption, typically, that the people who are coming here from the left and liberals don't know a lot of news stuff.
		And that is not to... I'm not trying to insult them.
		They get insulted when I say that, but I'm like, I'm not trying to insult you.
		You told me you didn't read the news story.
		So, I know there is a one-to-one chance Okay, it's unfair, but like a 95% chance.
		We bring in someone who's liberal and ask them about Viktor Shokin, Burisma, Cutter Turkey Pipeline, etc.
		They're gonna say, I don't know what that is.
		And I'm like, okay.
		Then how can you have an opinion on the impeachment of Trump if you don't know what happened in Ukraine with Viktor Shokin and all this stuff?
		And then the response is, well, like, you know, I read enough about it.
		My attitude is like, by all means, come on the show and say exactly that.
		It's not for me.
		I don't need to hear it.
		Everyone watching hears it, and they take a clip of you saying, I did not read that story, I don't know.
		And that's all I need to hear.
		And then when, next time you make an argument, we just attach that clip to it, and we say, these are people who take strong political positions without researching those stories.
		I was asked by Brenna about Casey Anthony and said, I have no idea, I did not read, I don't know anything about that story.
		I have no opinion.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		More than just not researching, what'll happen is, imagine if you're on the surface and there's a garden, and you're like, where are the roots for all these plants?
		I must get to the bottom of this.
		And you dig down and you find the roots, and you're like, I found it!
		I know the answer's now, I'm satisfied.
		Trump impeachment, I get it.
		But then, if you really dig deeper, which most people won't, because they feel like they already found the roots, you go deeper, it opens up into a cave network, where the roots continue to go deeper.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Trump's down there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And most people don't even know that cave network exists, because they're already satisfied with this, this shitty Garden thing, like metaphor that I created, like they've already feel like they got the answer.
		The mass media already fed them a little bit so they don't look deeper.
		I'm not saying that some people do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Every single liberal I've talked to about the Trump impeachment has outright said they did not know Joe Biden engaged in a quid pro quo.
		And then another component of it, and I'm not trying to drag Breonna, I thought the conversation was really good, it was three and a half hours, it went very long.
		Uh, when I'm, when, when we talk about, uh, Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden, according, Devin Archer testifies that Hunter was called, that Hunter calls DC and says, the prosecutor is a problem and we need help.
		Biden then flies out a few days later and engages in an illegal quid pro quo.
		It's a fact.
unidentified		And then brags about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then brags about it to CFR.
		And there's no legitimate response other than If you guys have seen that interview where the journalist is asked about Hunter Biden saying, my dad takes my salary.
		And he goes, I don't know.
		And he's like, you're saying there's no evidence of corruption.
		And we have proof Hunter said my dad is taking my money.
		And he goes, I don't know.
unidentified		It's like he wasn't involved in his business.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is what happens.
unidentified		He asked about the weather.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They'll either say I did not read the story.
		And then when you bring it up, they'll go, I don't know.
		That's like, well, okay.
		I get it.
		I do not expect a Democrat to come in here and go, holy crap, he did that?
		Now that I didn't know.
		I expect them to dismiss it.
		And I expect that clip to be made and shared online to prove my point.
		And that's all I can do.
		There's no reason for me to get mad.
		I just say, okay, thank you for explaining.
		You don't care that Joe Biden did this.
		You don't think it's a problem.
		You're allowed to think those things.
		I am not mad at you for thinking Joe Biden should be allowed to engage in a quid pro quo.
		In fact, when I asked Brianna, Does Donald Trump have the authority to threaten to withhold congressionally approved loan guarantees to a foreign president in exchange for a political favor?
		And Brennan would not answer.
		Why?
		Anyone who knows what actually happened knows that's what Joe Biden did.
		And so the political answer and the smart way to respond is to not answer that question.
		Because you get trapped.
		Because anyone would say, of course Trump can't do that.
		I gotcha, Joe Biden did it.
		Unfortunately, Trump did the same thing.
		And they said, Trump's not allowed to do that.
		And I'm like, okay, but he was, that's what Joe Biden did.
		No, no, no, Joe Biden was allowed to do it.
		Okay, dude, whatever.
		I'm not mad about it.
		I know these people don't actually know or care.
		I just need to prove it to other people.
		I need to be able to give that clip to my liberal aunt, whoever, I don't actually don't have one, but my figuratively, and be like, there's the clip to watch.
		And they go, wait what?
		And I'm like, if you choose to be on the side of, I don't care what's true, I care if my tribe wins, tell me now.
		But to anyone who's not interested, I can show you this clip and you'll go...
		Oh wow, I didn't realize Joe Biden did that.
		Okay, well, there you go, he did.
		Have a nice day.
		Anyway, let's read more.
		A lot of people saying, let's go Brandon.
		We got S.A.
		Federale saying, let's go Brandon.
		A lot of people are saying, where's my AK-50?
unidentified		What is the 50?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that like a 50 BMG?
unidentified		Yeah, so that's a project we've been working on for a while.
unidentified		It's basically just a 50 BMG AK.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can you do a 9mm Makarov carbine?
unidentified		Yeah, that's pretty easy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like a mixture between 9mm Luger and .380.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love the Makarov handgun too.
unidentified		by 18 I think or is that yeah nine but nine by 18 yeah it's like the the Russian like it's almost
		like a mixture between nine millimeter Luger and 380 yeah yeah so uh also I love the Makarov
		handgun too like it's just which one though like the Makarov like the Russian oh right I have a
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's called like a P-64 or something?
unidentified		I think that was Polish?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Polish, that's right, and it sucks.
		Everyone hates it, nobody wants to use it.
		It's ergonomic, so it's only right-handed, and it bites.
		And so I had gloves on in the winter, at the range, and it still bites your hand.
		And I was really excited to have this Polish-Soviet weapon, and it's just not fun, and I was like, does anybody else want to try it?
		And they're like, we're good, we're good.
		Because we have like a Beretta, and nobody wanted to do it.
unidentified		The P-64, they inexplicably, if I'm thinking about the right thing, if I'm thinking about it correctly, I think they inexplicably shrunk it a bit.
		So it's not as big as a regular Makarov.
		Which, a Makarov's not exactly big.
		Yeah.
		It's an 8 plus 1 single stack handgun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what happened was, uh, something happened with ammo prices a few years ago, I think everybody remembers, and, you know, hanging out with Luke, and Luke's like, you should probably pick up some 9mm while you can.
		And so I'm like, sitting on my couch, my eyes are half closed, and I went to, I think it was ammo.com, and I'm just scrolling through, and I'm like 9mm, buy, and I went, da-da-da-da-da, just like, jamming the plus button, and then I hit order, and then when it shows up, Luke walks into the box, and he's like, oh cool, the ammo's here, and then he opens it, and he's like, This is Russian.
		And I was like, I don't know.
		And he opens the box and he goes, bro, these aren't 9mm.
		And I was like, what?
		It says 9mm?
		And it's got all Russian writing on it?
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we ended up with a very large quantity of Makarov 9mm.
		And then I was like... Great success!
		Great success.
		But the company, they're awesome.
		I think it was Enwa.com.
		They emailed me being like, we realized you ordered a large quantity of Makarov rounds and may have made a mistake.
		If that was, we will gladly ship out, you know, 9mm Luger.
		And I was like, no, no, no, no.
		No, I'm keeping this and I'm gonna go find a Makarov, a weapon.
		And then a local gun shop had the P-64.
		Yeah.
		And I was really excited to be like, oh cool, Soviet!
		And it just hurts and nobody wants to use it.
unidentified		You could definitely re-barrel like a PP-19, essentially a Vichaz, which is like the AK
		9mm carbine that they've got.
		You could easily just, well not easily, it would take a good bit of work, but you could
		make up a custom 9mm Makarov barrel for that.
		They run them in 9x18 in Russia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I was talking to Gun Shop if they were able to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And everybody says yes, but we just never did, because we don't really care that much, but it would be cool to have like a, you know, 9mm rifle of some sort.
unidentified		I think the Bizon one, the one with the helical magazine on the bottom, uh, that one is 9x18, or at least they had one in 9x18.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's, what's that ridiculous .22 that's got the, the magazine goes on top?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got one of those, I don't know what it's called.
unidentified		Calico.
		Yes!
		Yeah.
		I got one of those too, they're so weird, it's like the Spaceballs guns.
		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They like stick out of the top.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, it's flat, but it's got a, how many, it has a whole, it has a lot.
unidentified		It's a hundred.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Cause it's like a spiral staircase of ammunition all the way through the gun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like it's, it's like the P90 does the, what's the horizontal magazine?
unidentified		Yeah.
		It's, it's a similar thing where it's on top, but they're just sideways to the shooter.
		And then they've got like a, a rotary table that, you know, flips it to the right orientation before it loads in the chamber.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's some cool old stuff you can buy, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love... Luke wanted me to buy a 9mm Crank Gatling Cannon.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, Luke, come on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he was like, come on, you gotta get it!
unidentified		And it's like... I've got a real one of those in 45 long bolt.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How is it?
unidentified		I haven't shot it yet, but we want to do a Last Samurai video with it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
		Oh, they use it, they actually introduce machine gunning, is that the plot of the movie?
		Is that like the dawn of the guns?
unidentified		Essentially, yeah.
unidentified		If you haven't seen the movie, it's a fantastic film.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Tom Cruise.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for everybody that thinks that machine guns are a recent invention, watch that one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, I mean, even in the 1300s, they had the multi-barrel, so it was like a dozen or two dozen barrels, and they're all muzzle-loaded, but then they would like pull something and go ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was looking at the company, it's called Taurus USA, that makes this graphene gun.
		It's called the GX-4 Graphene.
		And apparently it's lightweight.
unidentified		It's Taurus.
unidentified		Oh no.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I recommend not buying a Taurus.
unidentified		I was thinking graphene, like, this must be emerging technology, and then I heard Taurus.
unidentified		I'm like, oh, this is gonna be 300 bucks and disposable.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Are they known for producing shoddy work?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to rap on anybody.
unidentified		They're not great.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm fascinated with graphene being implemented in modern weaponry because it's so lightweight and durable.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you could probably make a cool frame for, like, a Glock out of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's read some more.
		Russian Colluder says, 2A is winning.
		Tim Pool, you gotta stop saying this and resting on your laurels until I, as a regular citizen, can dual wield a full auto SAW and a high point with a switch, then 2A hasn't won anything.
		Listen, my friends.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Graphene SAW, baby.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was an excellent tweet.
		2A is winning.
		It doesn't mean it's won, right?
		So winning is repealing the NFA.
		Among other things, but that's, like, that's a huge win.
		Let's say that there is a big field.
		Let's say you're playing football.
		And you are pressed all the way back up against the end zone.
		And then you actually start advancing forward.
		You are winning, but you haven't won.
		Or how about this?
		Let's say you're playing baseball.
		The other team has like three runs, and then you score two in one run.
		You have started winning.
		You have not won yet.
		Let's say they have seven.
		You know, it's like the sixth inning, and they have seven runs, and you have eight.
		You are winning.
		They still can pull ahead.
		That's why I say, well, in 2A stuff, you can't stop.
		We have made tremendous gains, massive gains, hit a few grand slams, but there is still an effort by Democrats to ban standard-issue, standard-capacity weapons.
		Claiming that 10 is too many, when 10 is minimal, it's laughable.
		Everybody knows.
		You're all gun people, you get it.
		I'm just saying, you've got to recognize when you're winning.
		You need the morale boost.
		You need the charge.
		You know?
		We're getting this.
		But, you have to make sure people don't rest on their laurels.
		Which is exactly what I said yesterday.
		We may be winning with constitutional carry, but we need to get rid of the ATF and the NFA.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I'll be honest.
		The idea of an Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and Explosives Division, I have no problem with as a surface level idea that there is someone in charge of, you know, overseeing this for some reason.
		What we don't need is a law enforcement agency that questions whether or not people have a right to keep embers.
		So, no.
		How about just the TFE?
		Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.
		No, no, no.
		The ATE.
		Alcohol, Tobacco, and Explosives.
		Firearms?
		No, it's constitutional.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		You're still confusing me why alcohol and firearms are anywhere... I mean, I guess drunk... They're the fun police, dude.
		Yep.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They are the fun police.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sons of bitches.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		I don't drink.
		Drinking's bad.
		But firearms are constitutionally protected, so I'll say this.
		Until...
		The Constitution is amended, American citizens have a right to keep and bear nuclear and biological weapons, antimatter weapons, rail guns, you name it!
		And anything else is an infringement.
unidentified		Is this where we're coming back to nuclear weapons now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, you don't get to arbitrarily decide that arms in the Constitution only applies to what they had back then.
		It's in the greater context of what was allowed.
		Private corporations build nukes.
		Like, where do people think nukes come from?
		So, yes.
		It's not controversial for me to say, private individuals have the right to keep and bear nuclear weapons.
		In fact, they quite literally do right now.
unidentified		There actually is on the ATFE forum site, where you go as an FFL to register, like, hey, I'm building a machine gun.
		I'm building a suppressor.
		I'm doing whatever.
		There is a slot on that website to complete the form as, I am building a nuclear weapon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These big weapons manufacturers have to do it.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And my big take on that was always like, it doesn't matter.
		It doesn't matter if it's legal.
		The thing that is stopping people from...
		Making nuclear weapons is not because there is a law.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right!
unidentified		It's good luck!
unidentified		If there is somebody like, let's say Elon Musk, who had the billions of dollars and let's say, I don't know, thousands of rocket engineers to make ICBMs and, you know, whatever he wants to do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, Elon strangely starts buying a bunch of plutonium and uranium and... Right.
unidentified		People are gonna start sweating real hard, because it's like the only thing stopping him is not the law, it's just he hasn't decided to do it yet.
unidentified		It's not worth the legal headache.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if Elon was just like, I'm gonna nuke Mars.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nuke the poles.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He had mentioned that that might be a way to start to superheat the atmosphere.
unidentified		What did the Polish do to you?
unidentified		Oh, oh, got it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love the poles, but nuke the poles of Mars.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It might superheat and kick the magnetic field.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's broken.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's not, I'm kidding.
unidentified		That checks out.
unidentified		Okay, let's read some more comments here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do we got?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Braymont says, Congressman Herrera, you'll win, as a letter carrier, I've had to deal with mountain lions, etc., and city carriers deal with being robbed and shot, please keep in your mind, when you go to D.C., that postal workers want to be armed.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		When you go to D.C.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I like that kind of confidence there.
unidentified		I just hate the idea of having to go to D.C.
unidentified		for anything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what, you just spend 28 days a month in D.C.?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everyone's trying to, there's probably like 17 or 20 superchats telling me that you have to say the word trunnion.
unidentified		I know this inside joke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what it means.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But after, like, the 20th Super Chat, I'm like, okay, I'll just ask.
unidentified		Yeah, it's the... The T-word is the front and rear T-word on an AK, and it's a running joke with me and Angry Cops.
		He likes the way that I say trunnion.
		There you guys go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cylindrical protrusion used as a mounting or pivoting point.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the definition of trunnion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's grab another Super Chat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, where are we at?
unidentified		Where are we at?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's getting late.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People are mad at Ian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, I doubt it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The McClung Code says, Ian, I'm a Christian, and yes, love does cover a multitude of sins, but not all of them.
		For the rest, forgiveness follows repentance.
		There is no repentance from the left, just warfare.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is so black belt.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think it's the general idea is Republicans are not indicting Democrats at all.
		Democrats are indicting tons of Republicans and lawyers and media personalities.
		And the Republicans are like, guys, please chill out before this gets bad.
		And they're like, nah.
		And then you're like, we should pardon the Democrats.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I see humans targeting humans right now, and it's concerning.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking for a way out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So how about this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Would you agree that The people engaging in the hostilities should stop doing it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You mean like the political... Yeah, it's like... Yeah, absolutely.
		I do not like using the force of law to go after political opponents.
		I don't think that fear is the way forward.
		I don't think that trying to make Donald Trump disappear is gonna make the Trump movement disappear.
		You gotta work together.
		That's the whole point of being an American.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
unidentified		I think the entire thing was that it's unilateral.
		The weaponization of the federal government tends to be unilateral.
		Which, like, I'm not saying the Republicans never do it, I'm just saying that the ideals that a lot of Republicans and libertarian-leaning people hold prevents them in their own moral compass from using the weapons of government against their opponents, which is where they lose.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, the AK-50, is that meant to be full-auto?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Now it is!
unidentified		I wasn't joking, I was serious.
unidentified		So it's a shoulder fired, it's just like a bearing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was serious.
unidentified		It's like a shoulder fired semi-auto 50 BMG.
		If you've ever, if you want the AK-50 to be full auto, it lets me know you've never fired a semi-auto 50,
		a shoulder fired 50.
		However.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was shoulder as in like you're holding it up?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, or I got a bipod or anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have a Barrett M82.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		So you know, it's a heavy, it's a heavy sucker.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I could, like, uh, who, I can't remember who we were with, but one, uh, who was it?
unidentified		Luke.
unidentified		Luke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think, yeah, Luke actually lifted it up and held it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He did not fire it though, and he was holding it, but it's like 70 pounds or something.
unidentified		It's heavy.
unidentified		Oh, it's, it's, I think it's 28 pounds or the M82, I think might be 30, 31.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was way off then.
unidentified		But it's, it's, I've, I've shoulder fired a magazine from it, from the Barrett.
unidentified		It's, It's possible to do, it's just you're gonna be shaky arms the whole time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the other one, the RN-52, is that what it's called?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Breacher loader.
unidentified		Oh, the cap screw?
unidentified		Yeah, the RN-50.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		RN-50.
unidentified		That was the one that blew up on Scott.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I saw that video.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Kentucky Ballistics, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How's he doing?
unidentified		He's doing great, man.
		He was just, I mentioned, like, 400 pounds the other day.
		The man's an animal.
		Even after getting his entire chest ripped open.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If he didn't weigh that much, he definitely would have died.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We were out at a range and they had the RN-50 and I didn't want to fire this one.
unidentified		It's a scary gun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because the first person who fired it, the shockwave turned my phone off.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, but it put it to sleep.
		I was, I don't know, whatever, I must have pushed the button, I don't know.
		I was filming it, and I'm holding my phone up from the sides, very close, and then my
		phone is off.
unidentified		Being in the muzzle brake, being in the vents of the muzzle brake on that is objectively worse than being behind it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, I don't want to do that one.
unidentified		It's a TBI machine.
unidentified		You shoot that 20 times in a row, you're gonna have a nosebleed.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I got a Surefire muzzle brake on my 5.56 with a 14.5 barrel, and that stuff sucks to stand next to, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's miserable.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's TBI?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		TBI traumatic brain injury. Oh wow, but uh, so this was another guy who owned it and then I bought uh,
		because luke insisted he luke sends me guns non-stop. He's like buy this buy this buy this
		and so I bought a good man. Yeah, I bought a barrett m82 and uh,
unidentified		That it's not that bad. Yeah, I I I think you're further away too from the muzzle on the m82 but uh,
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I had no issue whatsoever. I was like, oh 12 gauge my remington causes me more shoulder issue
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		more shoulder pain than the bear does because it's lighter.
unidentified		So the weight of the weapon plays significantly into recoil especially with a nice muzzle
unidentified		brake.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Isn't there a recoil spring, like a buffer tube and a recoil spring in the Barrett?
unidentified		So it's a short recoil system, so basically what that means is that every gun, every rifle will have, like, lockup.
		That stops the gun from just exploding, right?
		So the breech is locked when the gun fires.
		Short recoil systems, like the Barrett M82, is when the barrel reciprocates a little bit, like an inch or two, to unlock the bolt.
		And so that, and it unlocks a little bit so it doesn't need gas or anything like that, like a normal like AK or AR.
		So just the short, the action of the barrel moving back unlocks it and then it has a big, you know, a buffer system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Steven Crowder famously got me a, I think a Sig M400 it's called.
		It's been a while.
		And it was very difficult to get because he had to send it to New Jersey.
		So they were like, it was nuts.
		The modifications had to be done before it could be sent out.
		And so it took like a year before I actually got it.
		And so we'd go to the range, and I would use, like, Harper's Ferry Armory out here has their own, what they describe as Mil-Spec 556 AR-15.
		And then when I finally got the SIG from Crowder, it's night and day how amazing it was.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was, wow.
		I was just, it was... What was different?
		It was easy.
		The way I would describe it is...
		It felt more like firing a .22 than firing a .556.
		It was good.
		I'm not a gun expert enough to explain anything beyond... I think it's got a muzzle brake.
		I don't know what else about it.
		Easier to aim, easier to handle, less recoil.
		Obviously I think the muzzle brake is causing that.
unidentified		A muzzle brake will help a lot, but really what a lot of them do is...
unidentified		Excuse me, a lot of cheaper 5.56, or cheaper any gas-operated rifle, what they'll do is that they'll over-gas it slightly, or maybe a lot, because they don't have the technical precision to make it super-reliable, so they're like, okay, well, if we can't make it really reliable on good gas, we'll make it super-reliable on a lot of gas, so no matter what happens to this thing, that bolt carrier's running back.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It just shoves it really hard.
unidentified		Yeah, and so if you have a properly gassed, well-made gun, the recoil impulse is a lot less, because it's not necessarily just the Newtonian physics of the recoil of the gun, of the shot going off, but a lot of that's the bolt carrier impact onto the rear of the gun that's pushing the recoil impulse super sharp.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's what gas is used for?
unidentified		So in any gas operated in most like automatic firearms, whatever, anything gas up, they'll bleed off some gas from the bullet being fired down the barrel and feed it back in.
		So AR-15s bleed it off through a little gas tube.
		ARs use a long stroke gas piston.
		And it just bleeds off from the barrel and hits the bolt carrier, which then cycles the firearm.
		That's what unlocks it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's grab a couple more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kevin Malone says, Hey Phil, I went to the Baby Metal concert in Houston, and the opening act, your boy Jason, is a heck of an instrumentalist.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He is the best guitar player on the planet Earth.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That guy's wild, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we'll grab one more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		MyThirdNut says, Brandon, you should propose a bill so that government officials and security are only allowed to use firearms that are readily available for citizens to use.
unidentified		I'm down for that.
		Well, I think a lot of these people would have different opinions if they didn't live in their nice mansions with private security, half of which funded by taxpayers.
		I think they'd have a little bit of a different opinion.
		Agreed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, everybody!
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		That's the coolest thing ever.
		And so right now we're thinking about how do we buy the Statue of Lenin and then desecrate it.
		And I don't know if we can.
		We're exploring it.
		Just know that if there's one thing I want to do, more than anything else, it's not Hoard money and buy fancy cars.
		It is buying the Statue of Lenin from Seattle and desecrating it with filibonte.
		That is like the thing you do with money.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Pee on it.
unidentified		You can do that for free now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I can't wait.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That being said, it costs the price of a decent-sized house.
		So I don't know if something like that is possible, but that's the general idea of what we do.
		Right?
		The more we grow, the more we're going to build cultural endeavors and just reinvest back into everything we're already doing.
		So thank you all so much.
		You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
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		Brandon, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		Just BrandonHerreraForCongress.com.
		That's the campaign website where we got a lot of good grassroots support.
		And man, I appreciate you having me on the show.
		It's been fun to talk with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anytime, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		It's about time we made it happen.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Finally, Brandon is here.
		We appreciate it.
		Make sure you vote for him if you're from Texas.
		I'm Phil Labonte.
		You can follow me on Twitter.
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		You can follow us on Spotify, on Amazon Music, Apple Music, YouTube, you know.
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ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You follow me at Ian Crossland everywhere and anywhere on the internet at Ian Crossland.
		There it is behind me if you want to get a good look at how to spell that.
		Always a pleasure, Brandon.
		Really good to see you.
		And it's The AK Guy.
		Let me see.
		The AK Guy on Twitter when people follow you there.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Looking forward to talking to you again, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I feel like we could go two hours just talking about guns.
unidentified		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean, we should.
unidentified		That's all I'm used to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe we should have you back for a Culture War episode to talk about guns.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We should all go down and shoot guns with them!
unidentified		That's a better idea.
unidentified		I like that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		On a weekend!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's a weekend!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We could go on a weekend when you're not filming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where in Texas?
unidentified		Uh, San Antonio.
		We'll open the whole shop up to you.
		It's basically an arms museum.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we do Tim Cass Gun Week and we go down...
		Let's plan it!
		Yeah, we could totally do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Rock and roll.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Holidays are coming up, so it might be, like, February.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's warm in Texas in February!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no!
unidentified		February's beautiful in Texas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're doing the Michael Malice Roseanne challenge in January.
		Oh, yeah!
		We'll be in Austin.
		We can figure something out.
unidentified		Oh, really?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, nice.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's only, like, an hour south of Austin.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		It's, like, 45 minutes away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What we want to do...
		is have a show at the comedy Mothership with Roseanne, IRL Live with Roseanne and Michael
		Malice because they had a bet on this show. I think, what was the bet that there would
		be military tribunals this year or something? That was Roseanne's, yeah, Roseanne's postulation.
		So Michael laughed and said, I will bet you that's not the case. And then we all decided,
		let's do a show where Michael or Roseanne pays the other person and we have a good time.
		So we're going to be reaching out.
		I don't know if it's possible.
		It might be too soon for the mothership, but we thought it would be really fun to have Roseanne, one of the legends of comedy, and we do this political comedy thing.
		So we should be down there.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because if it's not there, it'll be like Vulcan or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll figure it out.
unidentified		That's right down the road.
unidentified		It's like an hour away from us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Perfect.
unidentified		This rules.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sweet.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Carter Banks.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		What's up, guys?
		When I'm not pressing the buttons for Sgt.
		Kellen, I'm making music.
		Got a ton of songs that are all almost done, been working on for a while.
		So if you go to TrashHouseRecords.com, you can get what we've already put out, TimCastSongs on YouTube, TimCastMusic.
		And you can follow me personally at Carter Banks on Twitter and CarterBanks4L on Instagram.
		So yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on!
		Alright, everybody.
		Thanks for hanging out this Friday.
		If you didn't already, check out the Culture War episode from this morning.
		A lot of people are like, Tim, you have such great patience.
		And I'm like, we have to have these conversations.
		And it's for you guys to listen to and to share and to make of it what you will.

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