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Sept. 7, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - DOJ Seeks PRISON For Pundit Over J6 Speech, Owen Shroyer Targeted w/Martha Bueno
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tim pool
You know, I hate to say, I told you so!
But I missed this story when it came out on the 5th.
We're going to go over it tonight.
I talked about it earlier today.
Owen Schroer is being targeted by the DOJ.
They want 120 days in prison.
Why?
Speech.
Owen Schroer, a pundit, personality and journalist for InfoWars, said some things.
And for the things he said, the DOJ says he should go to prison for it.
And this is what I said was going to happen.
I said, now they're going after, they go after Trump, they go after his lawyers, the next people in line are going to be the pundits who are advocating for or encouraging people on January 6th.
First person in line, Owen Schroyer.
Now, a few important details.
He did not go into the Capitol.
The Infowars team had a permit to have a rally outside the Capitol in a different area.
Owen Schroyer was on Capitol grounds.
This is the initial pretext they get to charge him.
He pleads guilty.
They then say in the sentencing document, the prosecutor says, because of his speech before, during, and after the event, he should get this amount of time in prison.
It's not a one-for-one to what I was exactly describing, but it's basically the opening the door, the midway point.
A guy said some things about January 6th, encouraged people, he challenged the established order, and for that he should go to prison.
We're gonna talk about that.
We do have a lot of good news, though.
And the reason why they're getting so heavy-handed?
CNN's got a poll out.
Trump's winning.
If the election were held today, Trump wins.
Yeah.
It's within the margin of error, but he's beating Biden and CNN says never in the 2020 cycle did they have polls that showed this level of this high probability for Donald Trump.
You also have a Yankees game.
A banner was unfurled that said Trump or death.
So I certainly hope not.
But it's getting crazy out there.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Martha Bueno.
martha bueno
Hello, good evening.
tim pool
Yeah, who are you?
martha bueno
What do you do?
So, thank you so much for having me.
I'm Martha Bueno.
I am a liberty activist and I am the first person in the United States to have used OnlyFans as a campaign, as a method to campaign.
I am also an entrepreneur.
tim pool
In what way, though, is the question?
martha bueno
How did I use OnlyFans?
I put political content on OnlyFans.
unidentified
It was very G-rated, however... Right, because immediate people are like, what are you saying?
tim pool
Are you saying you did adult?
phil labonte
The spice level was about green pepper level.
unidentified
Oh, green pepper.
martha bueno
It was spicy.
tim pool
Right on, right on.
So what are you doing now?
martha bueno
Currently, I just launched Argood.
It is a new way to consume Delta-8 and other cannabinoids.
You can check us out at Argood.com.
tim pool
Right on.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Phil Labonte.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, and I am an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
ian crossland
Missed you last week.
We had a great episode with Jackson Hinkle.
See you again soon.
Hey, I found, I just read recently that people want to polish the Statue of Liberty.
All that green, it's green because it's basically oxidized copper, and if you polish it down, it's going to be like a bronze, copper, shiny.
Would you guys Suggest putting tax money into that would that be a good
phil labonte
public works project. I actually don't hate the idea and I think that
New Jersey and New York should actually compete for who's gonna actually clean it up because Jersey's always saying
Oh, you know Ellis Island or I mean a Liberty Islands in New Jersey. It's not New York blah blah blah
So let them fight about it, and whoever cleans it gets to have it for a year.
ian crossland
T-Mobile.
phil labonte
The next year.
ian crossland
T-Mobile wins the bid and it's the T-Mobile Statue of Liberty.
phil labonte
I hope that doesn't happen.
ian crossland
For the remainder of the contract.
phil labonte
I really hope that doesn't happen.
tim pool
I think it's fine that it's green, I don't know, whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
It looked cool.
ian crossland
The picture that they showed of it was like, wow, it could be shining sunlight.
That'd be cool.
phil labonte
The tweet that he was hard, the tweet when they were talking about it, he was talking about like doing it as an idea of like rejuvenating American, bringing American spirit back and et cetera.
And there are times where those kind of policies or those kind of, uh, Things can inspire people.
I don't know if it's a great idea, I don't know if it's going to do a whole lot, but I don't think it's a... It's not a horrible idea, it'd be kind of neat.
ian crossland
Let me know in the chat.
We also have Carter Banks in tonight.
carter banks
What's up, guys?
Filling in for Kellen, he's filling in for Serge.
I think we should keep it green for now, just for old time's sake.
tim pool
For old time's sake?
Technically, old time's sake would be to polish it.
carter banks
I'd say polish it.
All of it.
I like green.
I don't know.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, let's jump into this first story.
It's from none other than everyone's favorite Media Matters for America.
Ah, yes.
phil labonte
Trash can.
tim pool
I actually, I actually really like this article.
It says Alex Jones claims InfoWars host Owen Schroer was charged for free speech.
That's it.
They don't insult Alex Jones.
They don't write anything.
They literally just post a quote and a video of Alex Jones, which I will play a bit for you here right now.
alex jones
I think Now, this deals with Owen, and this deals with the rest of the January 6th people, where their lawyers are like, we don't want you to antagonize the system.
We don't want you to sit there and do much stuff.
Let us try to not get them in prison.
I'm like, well, I want to defend them.
I want to talk about it.
Well, it's up to them if they want help or not.
And Owen's a smart cookie, but they're trying to put Owen in jail, in prison.
They filed last night.
He's sentenced next week.
Goes to D.C.
I didn't cover it, but the Gateway Pundit did.
Breaking DC Prosecutor's Seek.
120 days in prison for Owen Schroer for speaking out against Stone Election 2020.
Speech on crime.
Now that's not just the Gateway Pundit's headline.
I have, overhead shot please, right here, the charging document the feds put forward.
Here it is.
tim pool
We actually have that as well.
And so in the charging document, I'm not going to read through the whole thing, They basically say, before January 6th, on January 6th, and after January 6th, Owen Schroyer had said things that incited people.
And, uh, for that, they are seeking this sentence.
The criminal charge against him is not for speech.
It's for, uh, being on the Capitol grounds.
But they're arguing that he is the reason people stormed the Capitol.
They highlight this.
Be a part of history.
Fight for Trump.
And it shows people outside the Capitol, uh, Alex Jones and, oh, and with bullhorns.
And if you scroll down, I'll jump down to, uh, right before they get to their, their recommendations.
They go on to mention, uh, let's see, uh, I want to try and find the specific portion.
May.
They go on to mention after the fact, August.
So this is for his speech, that they are seeking to put him in jail.
When I said that the next people they'd come for would be pundits, I didn't... I didn't mean, like, outright, it would be Owens or anything like that.
There are people who are not in the Capitol, who are not on the Capitol grounds, who I am referring to.
And there are people who are not even in D.C., who I am referring to.
I even said, like, prominent cable personalities who were in communications with Trump Legal's team who pushed the narrative.
Prominent personalities, many of whom got sued.
They're gonna come after them next.
But Owen Schroyer is in between.
He not only was there on the ground, he didn't go in the building, but he was also someone that they're seeking a prison sentence for over speech he made after the fact.
phil labonte
I blame Obama.
tim pool
Yeah, why's that?
phil labonte
Because the precedent for going after journalists was set with Snowden and with Assange, and then the Obama administration went after James Rosen.
So the idea that this is the first time?
No, this is something that's been in motion for a long time, and there's a lot of people People around this table and other pundits and stuff that have been vocal about how it's a bad thing that, you know, Snowden hasn't been pardoned and Assange hasn't been pardoned and it's a bad thing that Rosen went to jail.
And the Democrats didn't... Rosen actually went to jail?
tim pool
Oh no, I'm sorry, that they... They went after him.
We've had him on the show, I'm pretty sure.
phil labonte
Yeah, he was here.
And he was talking about, you know, they wiretapped him and blah blah blah.
And, you know, The fact that we have allowed the government to get away with it is why it continues.
Now, the situation we're in right here, if this does happen and he goes to jail for speech, it's only going to be worse.
There's not going to be someone that says, okay, that's enough!
B.S.
They're gonna be like, alright, that worked.
The American people allowed it.
This is a new power we have.
And we can do this.
tim pool
So, let's go back in time.
Let's go back to when the Biden administration targeted James Rosen, a journalist.
Tried to put him in jail.
When Obama charged whistleblowers and journalists under the Espionage Act more than any other president combined.
Than all the other presidents combined.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Imagine going back then when we were concerned about this and telling people In ten years, they're gonna put a guy in jail because he was on the Capitol grounds bullhorning, and then after the fact, he said stuff like, to a certain degree, we should be proud of what we did that day.
He said something like, he maintains the election was stolen.
One of the reasons they want him in jail is because they said, even after all of this, he still maintains the election was stolen.
As if he has to publicly change his opinion.
Yeah, this is...
This is Soviet-level, this is culture revolution-level communist authoritarianism.
Welcome to the future.
martha bueno
And it happens very quickly.
Very quickly.
It goes from you're free to you're not free.
I mean, look, we're discussing 10 years.
tim pool
Not even, I mean, and think about the past few years.
Think about where we were six, seven years ago, and it's laughable to me that there are people who are like, ah, you're overreacting or you're, you know, it's exaggerating or it's shot content.
I'm like, dude, I think the issue is that Everybody is standing in the middle of the forest, and when you tell them, dude, you are in the middle of the forest, they're like, what do you mean?
Just a handful of trees.
Like, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
I'm like, bro, you can't tell where all the other trees are because you're standing in the middle of all of them.
ian crossland
Yeah, you gotta look at 9- I mean, 9-11 is like...
Yo, when you see those buildings fall in free fall, most people can understand it when they see the... Okay, hold on.
tim pool
Nah.
ian crossland
You want to talk about the slow boil?
tim pool
Way too far.
ian crossland
That's the beginning of this totalitarian seizure, man.
tim pool
I can respect that, but you gotta slow down a little bit.
The way that the government... You gotta talk about, okay, so we ended up in this position with the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization Act.
ian crossland
That was like 2010 or something?
tim pool
2000, I think that was 2012.
Which gave the indefinite, which signed into law the indefinite detention provision, which is an offshoot of what is effectively the Bush-era expansion of authoritarianism, anti-terror policies, and the expansion of the creation of DHS, which emerges out of the Patriot Act, which starts after 9-11.
ian crossland
I watched it happen in real time, too.
It was crazy, and like...
tim pool
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying we gotta explain to people how we get from point A to point B. Right, this would set like a precedent for that to be acceptable if they were to pull that off.
And now it is.
Now we're here.
When we talked in 2012 about the indefinite detention provision that Obama signed into law, the NDA provision that says they could snatch you up in the middle of the night without charge or trial, hold you on a military vessel 11 miles off the coast of this country and rendition you, We were like, that's scary.
And the response from everybody is, oh, you're nuts, that's never gonna happen.
Shut your mouths.
Because now we're at the point where they're arresting journalists, they're arresting, well, they've been targeting journalists, that's the Obama era.
Around the same time, going after Rosen, Julian Assange, that's an informal assassination as far as I'm concerned.
Owen Schroyer.
Said bombastic things outside the Capitol.
And for that, they want to go to prison.
This is the next grain of sand.
They're going after lawyers.
They're going after political, uh, they're going after politicians.
It's not just Trump.
They removed Coy Griffin in New Mexico from the ballot.
This is well beyond the point.
We are, we are potentially a couple years away from the actual implementation of an indefinite detention act.
phil labonte
The Trump, and I hate the fact that this is so prescient now, but Trump said, they're not coming after you, or they're not coming after me, they're coming after you, I'm just in the way.
And I hate the fact that it looks like that's the case.
The idea that it's just Trump is something that I've been pushing back against with Democrats, specifically shit libs, for a long time because they think, oh, well, Donald Trump is different.
Donald Trump is different.
It's like the thing that's different is the behavior of the Democrats in the left.
The influence of authoritarianism in the United States on the left is undeniable.
And the fact that people have been ignoring it or just saying, no, no, it's not true, likely because they don't believe it's true because they have normal jobs and normal lives and they're not steeped in this stuff like people that do this stuff all the time.
But the fact of the matter is, The federal government has never been more authoritarian.
They're throwing people in jail in the way that they did during the Civil War and in the 20s.
Was it Wilson that threw people in jail?
FDR threw people in jail?
But it's back to the old authoritarian government.
And that's not acceptable.
And we've said this a bunch.
I don't see the off-ramp.
If this is accepted, What's going to be next?
Because it's not going to be, oh, we're going to chill out.
It would take someone in the Democratic Party in power standing up and saying, we can't do this.
And there is no one that even wants to.
They're all enjoying it.
martha bueno
I think it's going to come from us, to be honest.
phil labonte
That's scary.
martha bueno
Yeah, it is scary.
But you know what?
Nobody's coming to save you.
And you see this everywhere where authoritarianism just takes hold.
Everybody's like, well, we just need a savior.
And that's why you get that charismatic leader that comes in and destroys the country.
Maybe that charismatic leader that we need to save us is Trump, but I doubt it.
He was in power before and he did nothing for Julian Assange.
He did nothing for Edward Snowden.
He did nothing for Ross Ulbricht.
He's done nothing to change the situation that we're in now.
He had the opportunity.
Four years was plenty.
tim pool
Yeah, but there's nobody else.
martha bueno
There is nobody else, I agree with you.
There's nobody else, and at this point it's Trump or nobody, but we can't expect that Trump is going to come save us.
We have to understand that it's going to come from us, and it's going to come from Americans.
Number one, understanding history, understanding where this is going, and then doing something about it, because they can't control us if we don't allow them to.
phil labonte
You were talking earlier about Venezuela.
Can you go ahead and relate some of the things that you were telling us about?
Because this is important now, because this is something that it's possible that we're gonna have to worry about.
We have got people that I really do want you to, but I want to say this first.
People that deny that there is a problem on the left, they need to go to urban areas and talk to the political activists, the people that are on the ground working With the communities, talk to them.
You go to Brooklyn, there's DSA everywhere, which is the Democratic Socialists of America, full of commies, full of communists, and they're at the point where they'll tell you about it.
So, if you don't mind, go ahead and relate some of the things.
martha bueno
And somehow, it's okay to be a communist in this country.
Like, you would never call yourself... Not according to me!
tim pool
Let's start from the beginning.
It wasn't that long ago, people don't realize this, that Venezuela was a wealthy capitalist nation.
martha bueno
Absolutely.
So I wasn't born in Venezuela because my mom hightailed it back to the U.S.
to have me, but I was taken to Venezuela when I was nine days old, and I lived there back and forth between the U.S.
until I was 15.
However, my age old is how long this has been going on.
Not even.
Much less.
watched communism, socialism, enter into Venezuela.
Venezuela was one of the most prosperous nations in Latin America. Before Venezuela, it was Cuba, which was
of course destroyed by the same ideology. And there's no way to talk about Venezuela
without talking about Cuba, because Fidel Castro, the dictator of Cuba, trained Hugo Chavez
in Cuba on how to do this.
I think people just assume that it's easy to come into power and take over. And he did
it in very similar ways to Castro. So yeah, it starts very similarly, and it's this class
warfare. It starts with the, well, you're poor because that guy over there has your
money. That guy over there has your jobs and your opportunities. And you're poor because
of them. So you see the class warfare. And that's really where it started dawning on
me here in the US. Like, oh wait, I've seen this before. It's that. And then authoritarianisms
come in. And of course, your guns is the first thing they take.
You know, unfortunately, here in the U.S., we have started to lose a little bit of our gun freedoms.
And I understand that that's scary for some people, but... I disagree on that one.
tim pool
It's actually not true.
martha bueno
What?
tim pool
Gun rights have expanded rapidly and exponentially over the past two decades in ways that this country... It's been good.
Right, so, D.C.
versus Heller, the right for individuals to keep and bear arms outside of their home was 2008.
If you look at the issuance of gun permits, there was not a single state that would allow you to have a gun, for the most part, back in the 80s.
It was actually difficult to have guns.
Now, we did have a different culture where people had rifles and there was like gun clubs in schools, but in the past 20 years, the expansion of individual liberties and gun rights has been Exponential.
To the point where now I think half the country is constitutional carry.
Or, I'm sorry, it's probably safer to say open carry in more than half the country, which did not exist 20, 30 years ago.
What was it before that, when we didn't have to... You needed a permit, and they wouldn't give it to you.
martha bueno
When did we need a permit?
tim pool
So, even with the Second Amendment, you still had, back in the day, let's go back to the frontier era in New York, they didn't allow you to have guns.
Second Amendment said you had the right to keep and bear arms, and it was in your house, basically.
And famously, you'll look at old westerns or whatever, the trope was, the American history was, you'd go into a town and they could order you to turn over your weapons.
Now we're in an era- and again, for the most part, people would carry guns because you're out in the middle of nowhere and no one can enforce anything anyway.
But we get into this modern era, you go back to the 1900s, we get the NFA, early 1900s, I think it was like the 20s, and they start expanding rapid control of firearms and making it harder and harder.
It's actually, if you look at the map, of the right to keep and bear arms without a permit, the government can't question you, started to emerge after the eighties.
So, we're actually doing really, really well.
martha bueno
That's amazing, but that's why they're going after the first amendment instead of the second one.
They are going after the second one.
Because you kind of need to get rid of the first one, too, in order to, you know, go after the second one, then.
tim pool
Well, they're going after the second amendment, for sure.
They're never stopping, but they are losing.
And I think it's important for everyone to understand, I don't want to tell everybody, we won!
Hooray!
You know, stop fighting.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
You got to be vigilant, but you pull up a map of... It used to be every state was basically a no-issue or may-issue.
You wanted a gun, you'd go to the police, you'd go to the government, say, can I get a permit?
They'd say, sure, and then they'd never give it to you.
Now, overwhelming, I think more than half this country is open carry, meaning if you're a resident, you can walk into a gun store, you do a federal background check, they hand you the gun, you can walk out holding it.
Some states like West Virginia, Texas now, I don't know how many states are constitutional carry, but a lot.
carter banks
Texas is now.
tim pool
Yeah, meaning you can walk in as a resident, you fill out your national incident check system, your NICS background check, and then they could jam you up for a few days, three days is the max.
But typically, you'll be cleared within five or ten minutes, and then you can actually
take the weapon and conceal it on your person and go walk around.
So those rights have been expanding rapidly, and I think it's important people know that
I think we're winning across the board, and what we're seeing with the expansion of these
extremist policies and the targeting of the likes of Owen Schroer and these lawyers is
that they're losing control.
phil labonte
Twenty-six states.
tim pool
Are constitutional, Kerry?
That's what I thought, but it's crazy to think more than half the country allows you to just buy and carry a weapon.
carter banks
I got my concealed carry permit like 2019, and then I just renewed it like yesterday, but I don't need it anymore.
They're constitutional carry now.
tim pool
Right.
And they say, uh, you know, if West Virginia, for instance, if you get your concealed carry permit, you don't even get the background check per weapon anymore because the process by which you get your concealed carry permit is your background check.
And at that point, you're allowed to just freely purchase weapons.
Whereas if you don't have it, you have to get a background check every single time you buy it.
ian crossland
They're making guns out of graphene now.
unidentified
Did you see that?
Oh, wow.
ian crossland
A little .22.
Super lightweight, apparently.
tim pool
Yeah, so if you take a look at this image.
Right to carry in 1986.
And you can watch the progression.
ian crossland
This is awesome.
tim pool
I mean, this is amazing.
May issue means they're not giving it to you.
No issue states.
Texas would not give you a permit for carrying a weapon.
In 2000, look at all these states.
Red states that are saying you can't carry.
This is crazy.
ian crossland
Blue is constitutional carry, is that right?
tim pool
Blue is shall issue, meaning that if you apply for a permit, they have to give you one.
Unrestricted is constitutional carry.
Look at the expansion of constitutional carry in this country.
Here we go, 2019, 2020, 2021.
Look at this!
ian crossland
That's people saying they don't like ESG, basically.
phil labonte
Look at the 86.
tim pool
You couldn't get a gun in these states.
All the yellow ones were may issue, meaning you'd apply, and they wouldn't give it to you.
If you were lucky, maybe.
phil labonte
That's crazy to think.
ian crossland
The ultimate defense, dude.
You arm your citizens.
You allow your citizens to arm themselves.
It's the ultimate.
It's state-organized.
tim pool
This is the important thing to consider, the polarization and extremism that we're seeing.
We are seeing a rise of communists, of authoritarians, and they are getting increasingly desperate.
Despite the fact that we've been winning across the board on the issue of gun rights, they have been gaining control in institutions.
They have been subverting our children, our education system, our entertainment industry, and now they're in government.
And the likes of the Democratic Party have weaponized the DOJ to try and go after anyone that opposes them.
But I think they're gonna lose.
I think they're gonna lose, and this should say it right to everybody's face.
Look, man.
They have their victories.
Conflict is never without your losses and your wins, but I think we're winning.
And everything they're doing is panic and fear.
But if at any point we stop and sit back and think it's over, they win it.
They win it.
ian crossland
Yeah, we're in the middle of a global revolution of consciousness.
Like, it is the New World Order is forming.
We have no time to waste.
There's no reason to stop, to keep pushing.
We need to change and create the world in the image of the United States Constitution, in my opinion.
This is our one option.
phil labonte
I have a problem with the idea of us needing to do stuff for the rest of the world.
That's very authoritarian and it's very neocon and very Stuff that we got ourselves into a lot of trouble in Iraq and Afghanistan and all other place a whole bunch other places trying to do it is not America's job to make the rest of the world like America and that's part of why like Nationalism should not be a dirty word like You shouldn't be like jingoistic and be like I want to export war for my country But you should be like it's okay to
For there to be countries with different laws and I don't think that it's a good idea to just because we believe that America has like The best system we can believe that but that doesn't mean that other people in other countries would agree And I think that's what happened in Iraq.
We went in there and we're like, we're gonna deliver democracy!
But the Iraqi people, the population that you're giving this new government or new structure to, has to be willing to accept it and want to do it.
If America falls to an authoritarian government, it will be because the American people have said, we accept this.
It'll be because Democrats have said, we're gonna vote for the government to have this kind of power.
tim pool
I want everyone to look at this map real quick.
This is the, uh, finalized map of the country and, uh, your guns.
Where it's green, you do not need a permit to carry concealed.
That's crazy.
ian crossland
Do you just walk into a gun shop and buy it off the shelf, put it in your pocket, and walk out?
tim pool
If you're a resident, you still have to go through a federal background check.
You can then take the weapon after being cleared.
Put it in your belt or your holster, cover it up, and walk on out.
You don't need a permit.
Where it's blue, you do need a permit, but no longer do we have the may issue or no issue states.
It used to be, and this ruling just dropped, what was the ruling?
Which one?
I remember when it happened, but I don't remember what it's called.
Supreme Court ruled you have to give a permit to carry if you have a permit.
carter banks
I remember what happened but I don't remember what it's called.
tim pool
Maryland for instance and New Jersey were considered no issue.
They call themselves a may issue, you apply for a permit and they claim everyone can get
a gun but then in Maryland and New Jersey and parts of California you'd say okay I'd
They'd say, what do you need it for?
And you'd have to give them a reason they approve of.
And they never approve.
Hold on.
If you're rich, they approve.
Yep.
martha bueno
Rich people... It's a class issue.
tim pool
Oh, hands down.
Rich people and celebrities would go in and say, I need a gun.
Say, why?
And they would say, I'm worth millions of dollars and I'm concerned for my safety.
Oh, right away, sir.
Right away.
And you get your permit.
Regular working class person says, you know, look, I want to keep my family safe.
They say, How dare you come in here?
Get out of here!
And the cops with a smile on their face will arrest you if you try to defend yourself under Second Amendment rights.
ian crossland
It seems like the legal system is class warfare at its finest because any rich person can buy their way out of jail.
martha bueno
I don't think it's just being rich.
Trump is rich.
It's not just the money.
It's who you are.
It's who you know.
tim pool
Right.
Connections.
But money plays a big role.
For example, in Wrigleyville in Chicago, everybody knows this.
It's like, I don't know what the current ticket is.
It used to be 50 bucks if you parked illegally.
And you know what that means?
It means if you want to park to go to see a baseball game, it's 50 bucks.
ian crossland
Street parking, 50 bucks.
tim pool
Exactly.
Because it's so hard to find parking, people would park, double park, park in front of fire hydrants and be like, I don't care.
I'll take the $50 ticket.
Otherwise I'm not getting parking.
phil labonte
The only problem with that is if they're going to go ahead and tell you.
If you're in a place they don't tell you?
tim pool
Where?
I almost never saw anybody get towed because there's too many cars illegally parked.
phil labonte
Ah, okay.
ian crossland
Yeah, civil disobedience.
tim pool
There are some tow companies that'd be like, alright boys, let's start pulling them in because we're about to make money.
But for the most part, it was normal that everyone did it.
However, one time someone double parked in front of my apartment where my friend's car was, and we ain't playing no games.
We needed to use the car!
And so it's just like, no, I don't care.
ian crossland
I wanted to finish off what we were talking about, Phil, earlier, a few minutes ago, that spreading American exceptionalism around Earth.
Because I used to be kind of ambivalent about it.
Then the wars over in the Middle East happened.
I'm like, no, I'm done.
Go back to isolation.
We do not need to be involved.
Head in the sand.
Forget about it.
Focus on me.
And then shit just went haywire.
The whole globe just started to take the United States over.
Culture war, international deceit, using the internet, twisting people, deepfakes, messing with your politicians.
We do need to be involved with auditing and editing the world's police force and the world's governance.
I don't want to do it by force of military.
That obviously failed in the Middle East.
I think that almost always, not always, it doesn't always fail.
You can conquer, and 80 years later, if you're willing to face the attrition, those will be your people.
But it takes generations for that to happen, and we're not really in a world with everything happening so quick.
phil labonte
World War II kind of put an end to that stuff.
ian crossland
Of colonization?
phil labonte
Yeah, because the thing is, once you industrialize war and make it possible to annihilate entire cities, the idea of using force and war to conquer territory kind of stops being acceptable.
And that's part of the reason why there's been proxy wars and small wars since World War II, but we've managed to avoid a global world war, because there has been the The effort by the West to prevent other countries from having nuclear weapons, which we talked about the other night, um, you know, to, to prevent the, the, uh, what's the word they use?
Anyways, other countries from getting nuclear weapons.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
Proliferation.
Thank you.
Um, but the point is, uh, they, I'm sorry, I lost it.
Go ahead.
ian crossland
Well, you're saying that it's hard to conquer and amalgamate the population with total war tactics these days.
Yeah, it's too dangerous.
I'm open to hearing what you guys think about... I mean, you do kind of have to force the... I'm forcing this conversation right now, in a sense.
It's not war-like.
martha bueno
Good ideas don't require force.
ian crossland
But for me to even come up here and sit down and put a camera on and like force myself to be in this situation, I could easily be playing video games alone in my room in a studio apartment in the middle of the city.
martha bueno
People copy what they see that they like.
And you know what?
That's why the United States was the United States and everywhere else.
Like when I lived in Venezuela, everything the United States did was awesome.
And everybody wanted to be like the United States.
Maybe they didn't say it outright.
I mean, we talked about it a whole lot in Venezuela.
It's like, oh, did you buy that in the US?
It's special because you got it in the US.
Like, you know, people want to copy what is good.
And so if we were that country that we were supposed to be, people would be copying us.
Unfortunately, that's not us anymore.
ian crossland
And that was back in the 90s when people were like, it's US, I love it, I love it.
phil labonte
Because from the 50s all the way through, I mean, blue jeans, people say that the thing that took the Soviet Union out was blue jeans.
So we were just as corrupt.
ian crossland
Our country was just as corrupt in the 90s, but people didn't know.
So they still worshipped the United States and were willing to take on its ideals.
martha bueno
I didn't know.
I lived in Venezuela and I was like, wow, this is corrupt.
That country over there, America, they're so great.
It's not corrupt.
And then I get here and I'm like, oh.
ian crossland
Boy, was I wrong.
It's almost a justification to hide our corruption from the world.
martha bueno
We do corruption so well, though.
I mean, we do.
phil labonte
And to be fair, as far as corruption goes, the United States is exceptional, right?
And other countries are really bad.
ian crossland
Their local police is awesome.
phil labonte
Yeah, there are countries where if you get pulled over, you're not getting a ticket, you're handing them a hundred bucks, or you're going to jail.
unidentified
That's it.
phil labonte
There's one or the other.
martha bueno
In Venezuela it was alcohol, though.
tim pool
I want to jump to the story as we talk about the love for America.
From Markah.com, Trump supporters unveil massive Trump or death banner as a flag at Yankees game.
Take a look at this image.
1776 2024 Trump or death.
You know, that kind of freaks me out.
It's like, if Trump doesn't get elected, what are they saying?
Are they saying, give me liberty or give me death, except it's Trump instead of liberty?
martha bueno
No, I don't know, that's the slogan of Cuba right there.
tim pool
Are they saying that if Trump isn't elected, it will be death?
ian crossland
What is the slogan of Cuba?
martha bueno
Patria o muerte.
Patriot, uh, your country or death.
That's, that's the slogan.
That's a Cuban slogan right there, which is why that song went viral.
Patriot, like your country or death.
That's the slogan.
tim pool
What's like, what's the direct literal translation?
It's Patriot?
martha bueno
Patriot is your homeland.
tim pool
Homeland.
martha bueno
Homeland or death.
phil labonte
Wow.
ian crossland
Yeah, was it Thomas Henry, give me liberty or give me death?
That's the whole like, give me exactly what I want or I'll die.
phil labonte
No, no, no, no, no, that's not what he's saying.
He's saying leave me alone or I will fight you.
That's what's being implied.
Liberty, the freedom to do what I want, or I will fight for that liberty.
And that means I will fight to the death for that liberty.
ian crossland
As opposed to give me X or die.
phil labonte
It's not give me liberty or give me death.
It's leave me alone.
tim pool
You have two choices.
Either you're going to give me my liberty or you're going to have to kill me.
ian crossland
But giving liberty is basically leave me alone.
It's not give me Donald Trump.
It's not give me a result.
It's stay off my lawn.
phil labonte
So liberty is a negative, right?
So you don't need to be given a thing or you don't need someone else to act on your behalf.
It's not a positive action to have liberty, right?
So give me liberty is leave me alone.
Don't take a positive action against me.
ian crossland
But in Cuba, it's like worship the homeland or Yeah, that was Fidel's slogan.
martha bueno
That's what they came into Cuba with, was Padre Muerte.
So yeah, when I saw that flag, I was like, whoa, that's authoritarian AF.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
You mentioned the charismatic guy that comes in and destroys the world.
I feel like Obama did it, and then Trump just kept going with it.
martha bueno
Well, we all thought Obama was going to be our savior, right?
I mean, that was the big thing.
I didn't.
I'm sure nobody at this table did.
ian crossland
I didn't think so.
I felt like that.
martha bueno
Yeah, and it was like, you know, he's this great guy, he looks good on camera, the man can dress, you know, and he says all the right things.
And then, you know, drops a few bums on kids and American citizens and, you know, it's just... I don't know.
It's scary to watch.
It's scary to watch and pay attention.
tim pool
Obama is more likely to be the charismatic...
If someone were to come to me and said, do you think that the charismatic leader who leads the world to destruction is around today, I'd be like, it's possible.
If you came to me and said you thought it was either Trump or Obama, I'd be like, oh there's no question it's not Trump.
The dude certainly has charisma.
But he also has serious issues with half the country and a lot of people really don't like him.
He's not... He's... He's... Yeah, no.
martha bueno
They're forcing us to like him.
tim pool
Obama is the famous silver tongue, you know, world leader.
ian crossland
I don't know if I'd say awful, but Trump was like a movie star.
He was a TV star.
Like a character actor.
Telling jokes, being like, you're fired!
With a smile.
Calling Rosie O'Donnell fat.
Like, just a charismatic.
But you can be charismatic and cruel, or charismatic and say mean things that upset people charismatically.
And he did that, so half the people loved him.
tim pool
But my point is simply, if it came down to who do you think, out of the two, is more likely to be the charismatic leader who leads the world to ruin, it's Obama.
ian crossland
I felt like it was a package.
It was 2008 to 2020, we had this mess of celebrity in charge that just made it about who can smack talk better.
And it got hotter the longer it went on.
tim pool
I think that's probably just an artifact of...
This is your generation.
ian crossland
But it never happened before.
tim pool
Because Ronald Reagan was a movie star.
ian crossland
But he didn't act like that.
He wasn't, like, cool.
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He did.
tim pool
I was literally watching a documentary earlier.
It's hilarious, by the way.
And I forgot what it's called, but it's, like, how my dad got radicalized from a Democrat to far-right because of Rush Limbaugh.
And it was really hilarious watching this thing because it's mirror reality.
I mean, they got the guy from Media Matters.
And Media Matters just posts, like, insane lies all the time and conspiracy theories.
And I'm like, to act like you're not in the cult and you're listening to this guy?
But, uh, in it, they're talking about Ronald Reagan, they're talking about Richard Nixon, they're talking about the fast, quick one-liners, and demagoguery, and celebrity, and building cults of personality, and I'm like, oh, this is really fun.
ian crossland
Yeah, they did it with Clinton.
They played the saxophone on Arsenio Hall or something.
phil labonte
No, on MTV, man.
tim pool
This documentary is about Rush Limbaugh.
This is about, like, You know, the 90s and the 2000s.
This is not about even Trump.
They've been saying the same thing over and over again.
They said Bush was Hitler.
Every Republican is Hitler.
It's the same game they play every single time.
ian crossland
The difference is social media, because if Reagan wasn't able to get his word out without
the networks going on to like, you know, David Letterman or something so that it was all
network approved, but Trump bypasses the FCC and goes straight to the mouth with like Twitter
and it just upended the entire like any kind of normalcy or like things you don't...
Control.
Like you don't go on national television and call someone a fat pig when you're the president.
Use that pulpit and that power and that authority to demean someone's physical appearance.
It's like, what in the hell did he just do to the essence of the United States presidency?
That was a terrible misuse of power in my opinion.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't think that Obama was really I don't think that Trump was really significantly worse than other presidents.
tim pool
Significantly better?
phil labonte
Yeah, well when it comes to rhetoric and stuff like that.
tim pool
Foreign policy.
phil labonte
People act like the rhetoric that he had was so bad, and I agree with you about foreign policy.
But I don't think that he was a little more direct in the way that he spoke.
But he wasn't, and maybe other presidents were, they were a little more, they had a little more finesse, but the thing that people liked about Trump was that he was just saying it like it is, right?
Like he was an authentic guy.
He was BSing people, but it was not, it didn't seem like it was canned or written by a speechwriter, and that people related to that.
tim pool
He's honest where it matters.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
He's like, we're gonna keep soldiers in Syria for the oil.
tim pool
We gotta keep the oil, we're doing really well.
ian crossland
It's like, wow.
unidentified
Say we're gonna sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, and we're like, okay, alright.
tim pool
And then he would be like, my hair is real, and I'm the best, and everyone loves me, and you're like, okay, Trump.
It's like, he lies a lot, but the things he lies about, I don't care about.
phil labonte
How many people were at his inauguration?
tim pool
Yeah, exactly, how many people were there?
Oh, the biggest, the biggest you've ever seen.
It's like, we know it wasn't, but fine, whatever dude.
Look, if Donald Trump is sitting there, and he's like, He's in his room saying, oh, there's a million people here right now watching, watching me sign these peace agreements in the Middle East.
I'm like, that's right.
They're all watching and waiting for you to sign those peace agreements.
Please sign them.
I don't care if Trump wants to lie about the size of inauguration or the women he's been with and all this weird, stupid, nonsense, cultural crap.
I care that we got the Abraham Accords.
I care that the economy was doing well.
I care that he took tremendous efforts to try and bring peace to parts of the world, like in North Korea.
And they attack him for it.
And that one deeply offends me, and I love saying it.
Trump crossed the demilitarized zone into enemy territory with no security detail.
Nah, you can F off.
Anybody who's like, Trump's pulling up to dictators, I'm like, oh, okay.
Yeah, nice try, dude.
That's not gonna fly.
They could have captured the president, right there on the spot, and made demands.
I mean, they wouldn't.
Trump was right.
He knew the move to be made.
But it was a tremendous sign of good faith.
Trump can tell me that his house is made of cheese and graham crackers and sugar and candy canes, and he can look me square in the eyes and lie.
He can tell me that his toilet is made of solid gold, and I'll say, whatever you say, dude.
Keep working on those peace agreements, and I'm satisfied.
phil labonte
Just be like, are you sure it's solid?
Isn't it just a plating?
tim pool
You're right, you're absolutely right!
ian crossland
I think it's plating!
tim pool
It's like Zoolander.
When Zoolander looks at the, you know, what is the institute for kids who can't read good or whatever?
And he's like, how are we going to teach them to read if they can't fit in the building?
And then Mugatu is like, he's absolutely right!
I'm saying, if Trump wants me to believe that he had the biggest inauguration or any other nonsense like that and he keeps saying it, I'm just gonna be like, Yes, you are completely correct, sir.
And all of those people at your migration are cheering for you as you sign the Abraham Accords and try and bring peace to the Middle East.
ian crossland
I was thinking the other night, like, who was the best president of my lifetime?
That comes up a lot on the show.
Trump.
And I was like, well, there's two ways to answer the question.
One is with retrospect.
The other one is, at that point in my life, who was it?
Thinking of, like, in this moment, who was the best?
It was Bill Clinton.
Because in the late 90s, or in the early-mid 90s, he was able to rally and, like, make the United States seem like the greatest country on Earth.
For all of us.
martha bueno
It felt like- It felt like that.
ian crossland
It felt like we ended the Cold War and it was finally- we've solved war.
It felt like it was really done.
And then you find out later they're part of a military war machine and I don't know what happened in Bosnia and shit.
tim pool
Like he was- Trump's the best president of my life.
ian crossland
He's just so divisive.
That's why I don't pick him.
tim pool
I disagree.
I blame the corrupt uniparty establishment.
Trump was a massive celebrity, loved by everybody.
Barack Obama said the American dream was to beat Trump, but Trump was an outsider who wanted to do things like bring back manufacturing, secure our borders, and the TPP.
I gotta tell you, when he crushed the TPP, that's probably one of the biggest moments where the knives came out.
And then they did everything in their power to make everybody hate Trump.
And I'm like, everybody loved the guy.
He was in home alone.
I'm gonna say it again, Barack Obama said the American dream is to be Donald Trump.
That was the idea before he decided to run for president, and they came after him.
And even the people who- there are certain celebrities who are like, oh, I've been good friends with the Trump family, they're all very, very nice.
But Trump's a fascist, and I'm like, oh, get- get out of here with that.
Look, it is not- it is not hard to say that Trump is the greatest president of my lifetime, because who am I comparing him to?
Bill Clinton?
No, please.
ian crossland
George Bush was my least favorite.
tim pool
So in my lifetime, I've had H.W.
Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, Obama, and Trump.
And certainly you can compliment some of these presidents for some things, but come on.
H.W.
Bush?
Oh, please, dude.
What did he say?
We're beginning to see the makings of a new world order, and all of that neocon garbage and Desert Storm and everything they tried to do.
You get Bill Clinton, and don't get me wrong, there is some good economic stuff, but there's a whole lot of stuff wrong with Bill Clinton's presidency.
And I have to say, for the most part, When it comes to those two presidents, in my lifetime, there was nothing in my life that they did that mattered.
And so, the most I can say is, Bill Clinton's got all the scandals.
I mean, you know, Monica Lindsey.
martha bueno
What scandal?
Oh my god, that was like the stupidest scandal of all time.
tim pool
Oh no, right.
martha bueno
I'm saying, in terms- Oh my god, a famous man who had sex outside of marriage.
Like, wow!
I am shocked!
tim pool
But in terms of what mattered to me, H.W.
Bush was bad with war.
With Clinton, we certainly had a great degree of conflict.
With George W. Bush, we got the worst of it in my lifetime.
With Iraq and Afghanistan, the expansion of conflict in the Middle East.
Barack Obama's extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens.
And then we get Trump.
And for everything I can't say about the Clinton years, because I was too little, I can say, no new wars, Abraham Accords, peace agreements in Europe, getting people to commit to paying their fair share with NATO, working on peace agreements with North Korea, securing our borders, bringing back manufacturing, there's no question.
It's just, it really is an easy answer.
ian crossland
Man, I don't want to repeat myself too much, but I believe one of the president's main jobs is to unify the states.
You know, preside over the United States and keep them united.
And if a president comes in and tells half the country that they're not part of the group... Who said that?
martha bueno
Maybe it's the Libertarian in me.
I'm sorry, I can't tell you which is my favorite president because I don't have one because all of them have done some terrible things.
And I think they should pretty much all be kind of charged.
tim pool
I mean, there's grounds.
martha bueno
I mean, now you know Clinton was on Epstein's plane.
Oh, there's a lot about Clinton.
Yeah, so it's hard for me sitting here, because it's like, yeah, Obama looked great when he was wearing his suits and bombing people across the world.
It's really hard.
And also, the United States, if you look at it that way, where we need some leader, would be the largest corporation on the planet.
And I just can't imagine that anybody who's running for office, even Donald Trump, who's, I'm sure, a great business person, however, I just can't envision anybody being able to actually manage a corporation with 330 million people and trillions of dollars.
tim pool
Bureaucracy, too.
martha bueno
Yeah, I mean, listen, I love the United States.
I think this country is an amazing place and I think we should go back to that freedom that allowed us to be that amazing place.
I do not believe that there is somebody in Washington writing down, you know, some magic scroll that will somehow protect us or do something You know, we just need our freedom.
ian crossland
To get to that point, you mentioned like going back to what was good, but we're going to
go forward to a new envisioning of what was good or what is good.
How would you define that?
martha bueno
Yeah, I think we need a new vision for it, but we should go back to the Constitution.
I mean, I just don't think that we need this level of micromanagement.
And I think with technology today, we could really achieve it without necessarily having this.
I mean, what does your local government do?
And I ran for a seat in a local government in Miami-Dade County.
We have 3 million people and a $10.3 billion budget that was billion with a B. That is larger than nations.
That's larger than El Salvador that has You know, same amount of people and a six billion dollar budget.
What do those local people do?
What exactly are they achieving for you?
Do we have transportation in Miami-Dade County?
We do not.
Nothing worthwhile.
I mean, it's terrible.
Do they run anything well?
No, they don't.
And so, what are you getting for all of these taxes that you're giving up?
What are we doing here?
And I just, I'm sorry, I don't see it.
I think that we really need to think this through.
We've been giving up our freedoms more and more and more each day.
For what?
I mean, are you getting your money's worth?
ian crossland
I don't know where the money's going.
martha bueno
I can tell you on the local level.
Miami-Dade County, we pay for all sorts of things that you would probably just be flabbergasted if you looked at our budget.
ian crossland
Like what?
martha bueno
Oh, okay.
So for example, I don't know what the budget is right now for, you know, the homeless.
And I think that's something that everybody, you know, I want people to have a home.
I want people to be well.
I don't want them to be out on the streets and living horrible lives.
So our budget is over $45 million a year.
Do the number of homeless ever change?
No.
Do we still have homeless?
Yes.
tim pool
That's a cultural problem.
martha bueno
Absolutely.
And we can't solve that with money.
We can't solve it with money.
I think there's people that do not want to live in this society.
And I don't think you're going to just throw money at it and solve that problem.
So the number of homeless we have, I think, generally is around 3,000.
And so when you divide the amount of money we have, you know, by the people that are unhoused, you come up with some crazy number.
You could Afford apartments for these people.
Like, what are we doing with that money?
ian crossland
Paying administrators that maintain their jobs.
martha bueno
Bureaucracy.
tim pool
People who are homeless aren't homeless because they can't afford houses.
martha bueno
Then why are we paying $45 million out of Miami-Dade County people who pay their taxes?
Why is somebody losing their home?
Because that's what happens.
If you can't afford to pay your property taxes, you will lose your home.
The government will take away your home and put it on the auction and sell it.
phil labonte
That is one of the most offensive things that I can think of.
Property tax is disgusting.
Once you own a piece of property, you buy it, you shouldn't have to rent it from the government.
That is insane.
martha bueno
And it's obscene amounts of money.
Obscene amounts of money.
And so, you're paying this money every single year.
You can't opt out of it.
You can't say, you know what?
I'm not using any of your systems.
I don't use public transportation.
I'm not homeless.
How can I opt out?
I can't.
So if I can't afford to maintain my house, the government will take it from me.
And so I'm paying for all these services, and it's just wrong.
ian crossland
So people will pay for homeless people through taxes, and then if they can't afford their own home, the government will take their home away from them because they spent their house money on other people's homelessness.
martha bueno
That's why I decided to run in the first place.
I lived in my grandfather's house when I couldn't afford, you know, when I had a child at 21 and I couldn't afford to live, you know, like, and I moved in with my grandfather and he was like, hey, can you take care of the bills?
And, you know, you can live here for free.
And I realized property taxes, my grandfather couldn't pay for it.
He would have been out on the street.
And that's generally who is affected the most.
It's the elderly, it is people who have some type of disability, it is somebody who's going through hard times, medical, you know, medical difficulties.
They lose their homes because they couldn't pay for all the wish lists that the government, those people who you elect, you know, that sit there and are just like, you know, they don't take public transportation, they don't, they have security provided by government, provided by the police, they have all these things and they Make these decisions for you, and if you don't comply, you will lose your home.
tim pool
Michael Schellenberger... One potential solution would be to, uh, we could install lights in the palms of everyone's hands, and as they get closer to turning 30, the light begins to turn red, and then when they turn 30, it flashes red, where we then take them and excise them from society.
martha bueno
Wow.
tim pool
That's how we can handle, uh, in the future.
Of course, we may have to deal with people who try to flee and don't want to, uh, undergo... What was it called?
ian crossland
I got the darkest...
tim pool
It's Logan's Run, but it's from the movie Logan's Run.
They called it something though, like, I forgot what it's called.
phil labonte
I don't remember.
tim pool
Yeah, like, when you turn 30, they called it something.
Like, the light on your hand flashes, and then, like, they kill you.
martha bueno
I think it's, well, if that was the case, I'm sorry, guys.
Bye.
tim pool
I mean, everybody in this room, right?
ian crossland
Oh, I'm well over.
martha bueno
I'm well over 30.
ian crossland
The homelessness crisis, the homelessness crisis is insane.
The way that it's been handled and talked about is very insane.
Michael Schellenberger works out of California, and he really exposed... Carousel.
tim pool
Is that what it was called?
ian crossland
The carousel?
tim pool
Yeah, they called it carousel.
ian crossland
I think it was Schellenberger that exposed the, basically, the homelessness, the homeless industry, industrial complex.
martha bueno
It's an industry, absolutely.
ian crossland
And they receive money every year to fix it, but instead of actually getting homeless people homes, they just pay the administrators, the bureaucracy, to maintain the status quo.
You still have the same people who are still homeless, and they keep making every year.
martha bueno
You want the kicker?
I'm sorry I'm talking about Miami-Dade.
It's what I know, so pardon me.
But in Miami-Dade County, the person who runs the Homeless Trust, who has all this money, is Ron Book, who is the largest What would this be?
Lobbyist for government.
So I mean that's I guess his reward is he gets to run this thing and you know he's been doing it for I want to say about 20 years.
ian crossland
You said that there's the same amount of homeless people every year?
Are they new people?
Like are the people getting off the street and the new people are arriving or is it just tough to tell?
martha bueno
You look at a number it's 3,000 but I mean everybody so where I live there's not a whole lot of homeless because they generally live in downtown where you know they have more access to bathrooms and whatnot so it's hard to tell but we generally you kind of know who you know the homeless guy is everybody knows the guy on the corner like You know, and he's always there.
And they come around and they sweep every now and then and remove him and, you know, throw out all his stuff, his few possessions, and it's so sad.
It's the saddest thing, honestly.
ian crossland
Do they hit him with fire hoses in the morning?
martha bueno
No, not in Miami.
ian crossland
They do that in San Francisco.
martha bueno
No, we're not that cruel.
We're not there yet.
You know, give it a few... 4 a.m.
ian crossland
they just come in and there's video of it.
martha bueno
It got awful, honestly.
ian crossland
Were you going to say something, Phil?
You look like you're about to jump on an idea.
phil labonte
Not particularly, no.
tim pool
I do want to talk about this story, though.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's not going to be Donald Trump, nor will it be Joe Biden.
unidentified
The man who will save this world is Elon Musk.
tim pool
I'm being facetious, that's kind of the joke, but I'm also only half-joking.
Aside from Elon challenging the narrative machine of the ADL, calling out corrupt politicians, securing, not perfectly, but helping people bring back free expression on social media, Elon Musk, it is being reported now, averted World War III and may have saved the planet from nuclear annihilation.
The probability of that being the circumstance is probably very, very low, but it just sounds fun, so I want to say it.
The story is actually really simple.
We have this from the Washington Post.
Elon Musk cut internet to Ukraine's military as it was attacking Russian fleet.
So, the first story that comes out is that while this major counter-offensive was underway, Elon Musk shuts down Starlink, cutting their communications, stopping the offensive.
Elon Musk responded, saying there was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol.
The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.
If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.
I wonder if, wrong article, if Ukraine sank Russia's Black Sea fleet using SpaceX, using US weapons and intelligence, would Russia have dramatically escalated the conflict at the time?
There is a possibility it may have been the case.
I don't know for sure, but Elon Musk refused to provide Starlink to be used by the Ukrainians in this counter-offensive.
He may have single-handedly stopped a major escalation which could have led to World War III.
ian crossland
Do you know what the size of the fleet was and the makeup of the fleet in Sevastopol at the time?
tim pool
No, we do know that U.S.
provided intelligence to Ukraine to sink their flagship.
ian crossland
That actually happened.
That happened in the Black Sea.
tim pool
Ukraine used U.S.
weapons and intelligence.
I think it's even unfair to say the U.S.
sank the flagship of Russia's Black Sea fleet.
And Ukraine was intending to do more damage.
And Elon Musk said, I'm not going to assist you with this.
Could you imagine if he did?
That's crazy.
ian crossland
He was pretty open in the early days that he didn't want to be involved with the war.
And I think he was going to give them, he was going to send Starlink to Ukraine.
And then they, they said no, cause they wouldn't do it under his terms or something.
And then he was like, okay then.
And they were like, actually we need it.
So then he, and then he sent it over there.
It was a long time ago.
tim pool
Yeah.
martha bueno
He's trying to protect Earth until we can get off of it and go to Mars.
ian crossland
The men who built America were not politicians.
They were businessmen.
tim pool
But I'm curious, I mean, in terms of the uniparty establishment machine, man, Elon Musk is running afoul.
But it shows the decay of the uniparty power in that Elon Musk openly defies them, does not allow them to wage war using his infrastructure.
This is unprecedented.
If you look at Twitter before Elon, they gleefully gave the government anything they wanted.
I'm optimistic, man.
martha bueno
He's making me into a bigger fan.
tim pool
I'm looking at a restoration of true American values of decentralization of power, and for the longest time we had an authoritarian uniparty that did whatever it wanted, regardless of the Constitution.
Now, you look at all of their devices, you look at the activist base, you look at the narrative machine, and they're failing across the board.
People tweeting about how the ADL no longer has any power.
They say, all these people who are criticizing us are white supremacists and everyone laughs.
No one cares anymore.
They've been defanged.
ian crossland
It's kind of like the uniparty, when two uniparties go at it, it creates an opportunity for a revolution.
tim pool
That's what happened with- Two uniparties?
unidentified
Yeah.
martha bueno
We don't need a revolution.
Revolution's a bad word.
ian crossland
What happened with the American founding fathers is that there was a uniparty of the Brits and there was the uniparty of the French.
Oh, that is completely- And they went at each other and the result was a liberation.
phil labonte
They were totally different countries, though.
ian crossland
Yeah, but they were like two separate, like they were monarchs.
They were monarchs.
They were literal uniparties.
And now we have the American uniparty, the Liberal Economic Order, and the Chinese, Rus', liberal, like, or not liberal, but it's a uniparty.
tim pool
I see what you're saying.
ian crossland
And they're clashing in Ukraine, so now there's an opportunity for, like, businessmen to step in and create something new.
tim pool
I see what you are saying, like the unilateral rule of the United States clashing with other authoritarians, but Russia may be aligned with China and BRICS and everything, but when you get to the global scale, it's not a uniparty.
There's greater conflict between nations.
I suppose the CCP's uniparty and the British... Uniparty refers to, in the United States, the Democrats and Republicans that are secretly aligned and pretend to be opposed to each other.
ian crossland
Yeah, well the Chinese Communist Party is literally a uniparty that runs that country.
tim pool
Right, but the United States and China are not aligned, so it's not a global uniparty.
ian crossland
No, no, it's two uniparties going at each other.
So that's why I think it's an opportunity for the private sector to be like, while you guys quibble, we're going to create something functional.
And you see Elon doing it in real time.
tim pool
Maybe we should call the United States the former uniparty because they've lost too much power at this point.
You know, look, I know that they're arresting and charging people and all that stuff, but they're really failing at it every step of the way.
Their ability to influence is weakening drastically every week.
ian crossland
Yeah, I just watched Mehdi Hassan interview Vivek Ramaswamy, and there's lag!
It's MSNBC 2023, and they still have lag in their video conference.
Well, it's always been the case.
Bro, it has!
Like, I use Zoom, there's no lag.
I use Skype, there's no lag.
What the hell infrastructure is this archaic dinosaur of a media monolith using that there's still freaking lag and they can't have a- Sometimes they can't even figure out stereo and mono.
tim pool
Like, I'm here in one ear and like- Do you guys remember when CNN did the satellite interview from the same parking lot?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Two people in the same parking lot and they did a satellite interview as if they were different places.
ian crossland
So the reason I brought up lag in MSNBC is because I think that's just evidence of what you're saying, that the uniparty function is crumbling.
They are just so behind the times.
tim pool
Oh, the ratings are in the gutter.
Their influence is down, is almost gone.
The fact that Elon bought Twitter and turned it into X is a huge example of this.
They were using Twitter as a weapon to spy on people, to control and to influence, and now they've lost it.
It's remarkable how much they keep losing.
Which is why they're getting desperate and trying to remove Trump from the ballot and have him arrested.
Because they know they're losing!
ian crossland
I'd like for the American government to win.
I don't know if there's just one government.
phil labonte
I'd like for the American people to win.
martha bueno
Me too.
I'm on that team.
You know what?
I will say that we're winning, the American people are winning, when Assange is freed.
When we have Edward Snowden back in the U.S.
without fear of him going to jail for a long time.
When people like Ross Ulbricht are freed.
I hear what you're saying, and I want to believe it, but we're not there quite yet.
We just sentenced a man to 22 years in prison, Enrique Tarrio, which I don't agree with him necessarily, but what did he do?
He wasn't even in the Capitol building.
What are we doing here?
phil labonte
Agreement is entirely irrelevant.
I'm not trying to even discuss whether or not you agree.
Actually blunts the point.
It doesn't matter.
martha bueno
It does not matter.
However, internet people will then be like, oh my God, you're a fan.
I mean, I was already called, you know, during my campaign, I took a picture with somebody and they were like, revel in their contempt.
phil labonte
Welcome their contempt.
Work for it.
martha bueno
Absolutely.
But I'm just saying, I don't support the Proud Boys.
However, you know what they've done to this guy is horrible.
Absolutely horrible.
And if they can do it to him, they can do it to you.
And that's the problem.
If they're going to come after people, it's going to be people like us in this room.
It's going to be people who are speaking out and saying things.
And if they can put Enrique Tarrio, who three, I don't know, five years ago, I didn't even know who the guy was.
And all of a sudden, he deserves 22 years in prison?
unidentified
He texted people to go do something?
martha bueno
If I text you to go do something, are you going to do it?
tim pool
The defense said that he wasn't in contact with anyone that day.
And apparently, the prosecution and the media is reporting that he said, don't leave.
But I don't know the context to which he said, don't leave.
Was it the day before they were like, hey, we're in D.C., which we do?
He was like, well, don't leave.
And now they're making it seem like he was saying, stay in the Capitol.
The defense said he didn't contact them at any point.
I will say, if it comes to the point where they begin going beyond the scope of, you know, Owen Schroyer, who was on the ground, and they're saying his speech warrants a prison sentence, He was on the ground and that's their pretext for the arrest.
If they escalate to the point where they're coming after pundits, I would argue that out of anyone in this room, Ian's the first person they'd target.
ian crossland
You know why?
Because I got long hair, bro, and I'm a wizard.
tim pool
This happened when I was with Luke Rutkowski in Chicago and the police planted, we believe they planted drugs in the apartment we're staying at.
They target people who are less likely to be able to muster up legal defense funds.
So if they wanted to disrupt a show like this and make claims about rhetoric or inflammatory things, Uh, would they go after me?
Well, that's probably a bad idea.
It would create a huge PR press storm.
It would create a huge backlash.
We'd generate tons of money, and it would create a huge legal fight.
Would they go after Phil Labonte, multi-platinum recording artist?
I mean, that could create a huge wave across the entertainment industry.
Ian, on the other hand...
You are the least likely out of anyone here to be able to muster up a strong legal defense.
Granted, we would defend you.
What I'm saying is, I don't think anyone's gonna come and try to arrest you.
I'm saying, the target of who they go after is, who can we get easily?
Enrique Tarrio, the Proud Boys, most people don't know who he is.
They're not gonna- Look- They're waiting to go after Trump until they can build everything up on the ground because they know a direct move against Trump is... It makes him millions of dollars.
It strengthens him.
It builds his base.
phil labonte
It's happening.
martha bueno
It's literally happening.
I've never been a Trump supporter and all of a sudden I'm like, you know what?
I'm going for the political prisoner.
That's it.
Who else?
ian crossland
Vivek Ramaswamy.
martha bueno
Yes, I do like Vivek.
Also, however, is he going to be the nominee?
tim pool
You look at January 6th, and they go after people you've never heard of, that don't make the press, and you don't even know are in jail, and these people, try as they might, can't get the word out.
There's too many of them.
This is what they do, one at a time.
Then they announce, two and a half years later, that Owen Schroyer will be criminally charged.
They're starting from the bottom and moving upwards.
It's very much like that story we talk about eBay.
You know, when eBay was started, it was yellow and they wanted to change the background to white, but everyone got mad, so they did it one step at a time over the course of a year.
They don't want to come out immediately, right after January 6th, and say, Donald Trump, you're under arrest.
It would create chaos.
They gotta go for the easier, low-hanging fruit, which is lower-income people who are confused.
And then what do they do?
They go to this, you know, 37-year-old woman who was walking around the Capitol waving a flag when everyone in the building, and they say, you're gonna go to prison for eight years for a felony charge for terrorism, or you're going to write a letter saying Trump made you do it, And then we're going to say you can go home right now.
Time served.
How many people have taken this deal?
martha bueno
How is that any different to our regular justice system?
tim pool
Well, no, but this is my point.
My point is, if they go head to head with Trump, Trump rallies his base.
martha bueno
Sure.
tim pool
If they weaken his base by getting his supporters to write letters saying Trump did this and ordered me to do it, and then use that for propaganda, knowing these people, no one will ever hear their names.
martha bueno
Also, they're not going to be in the news.
tim pool
They won't raise money.
martha bueno
It's also laid that base.
Now that you've heard that all these people have been charged, if you're a layperson, you know, you go to work every day, you got the kids, you got stuff going on, you're not really paying attention.
You have no idea what these people have been charged with.
You hear, I don't know how many people have been arrested.
Now, all of a sudden, it's like an actual thing.
It's like, well, all those people arrested, of course, they had to have done something terrible.
So it adds to that level of Yeah, they did something.
Of course you gotta go for Trump because he's the orchestrator of all these people.
tim pool
They get enough people to sign letters saying Trump ordered me to do it, then they say we have sworn witness testimony from 372 people saying Trump instructed them to do it.
ian crossland
Under duress, of course, but is that mentioned in the argument?
tim pool
It's part of the strategy.
Ultimately, my point is, if they start going after personalities, Owen Schroyer, I think, proves his point.
One, they have a pretext.
He was on the Capitol grounds.
Shouldn't have done it.
Prison for three months?
That's ridiculous.
But they're using his speech.
The speech is opening the door to targeting other personalities who are online.
The next person we'll likely see charged is going to be someone who maybe has a hundred, two hundred thousand followers, subscribers, and they're going to say they advocated for, incited, and instructed people to commit a crime.
I'm gonna tell you right now.
There were people on Twitter, on YouTube, and other social platforms, before January 6th, who posted videos advocating for people to engage in direct conflict.
ian crossland
Really?
Like violent conflict?
tim pool
Yup.
And there's no question about it.
I think these people, some of whom have instantly flipped and become total disanta supporters, probably flipped because they know, uh oh, They're next in line.
After the J6s are on the ground, they're gonna come out and say, you committed an act of sedition by making these videos advocating for insurrection against the United States government.
phil labonte
You know, it's worth noting, too, like, for the entire time that Antifa was rioting and stuff, they were ha- they had signs that said that they wanted revolution, that they wanted to tear down the government, they want, you know, that no...
No, what is it?
No wall, no border, no USA at all or whatever it was.
They literally want to see the United States be, you know, dissolved and stuff like that.
And it was completely acceptable.
They did this stuff while they were firebombing a government building.
They were saying these kind of things while they were attacking the White House on whatever that, was it May 29th or something like that?
When they had to move Trump to the bungalow under the under the White House. But either way, the point is these
these kind of threats and stuff like that, these things have been going on for a long time and it's
not new. The only reason that they're going after the people that were at January 6th is because
they have the wrong politics. They are the wrong people. It's acceptable to be anti-government
if you're anti-government for the left. There are people that have bombed Congress that
Bill Clinton pardoned. You know, I forget the woman's name.
She was a communist.
But they literally set off a bomb in the Capitol.
tim pool
The Democrat in Georgia will not be involved in the criminal prosecution of the Antifa terrorists who were firebombing the police HQ, burning down homes, building vehicles, and shooting at cops.
The Democrats are bowing out and saying, we won't charge them.
martha bueno
They're literally saying that you don't matter.
That what matters here is that institution.
I mean, if government is more important than the people, then that's a statement.
tim pool
I think they're outright saying that if you do these things, we're on your side.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, I know that there's people that don't believe it, but there are actual communists in Congress, people that are the squad are all DSA members, or at least they caucus with the DSA, they caucus with communists.
There is no significant light between AOC And any of the DSA members that are actual members of the DSA, there's no significant difference in their policy decisions or what they're looking for.
ian crossland
I don't know enough about the differentials, but socialists are different than communists.
I would imagine that they didn't want state control.
phil labonte
The goal of socialism is communism.
Vladimir Lenin, the goal of socialism.
tim pool
You know what communism is like?
You guys ever see From Dusk Till Dawn?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
You know when, it's Cheech I think, he's outside and he's talking about all the beautiful women that are inside and all the different kinds of women's parts that are available, and then they're like, we gotta go inside there!
But then when they walk in it's a bunch of vampires who are trying to kill him.
That's communism.
Outside, they're like, dude, if you come in here, we got pizza, we got video games, we got fast cars, everybody gets to have anything you want.
What do you want, Ian?
You want open source code?
We got open source codes.
ian crossland
We got five open source codes.
tim pool
We got five open source codes.
Phil, we got a big stage for you to play.
You're going to get everything you've ever wanted.
You walk in the door, they lock it behind you, and then they go, and now we're going to kill you.
unidentified
You know what?
ian crossland
I don't believe Vladimir Lenin when he said that, that socialism's the road to communism.
I feel like he twisted socialism for his own gain.
Kind of like saying liberalism is the road to fascism.
phil labonte
He did not.
ian crossland
He did not.
phil labonte
He meant it.
That's what he thought.
ian crossland
He used it.
phil labonte
He believed it.
He killed a bunch of people.
unidentified
It was his road to communism.
martha bueno
Family history here and personal history.
They never promise you communism.
When you look at Cuba, you look at Venezuela, there was never a point where they're like, you know what?
I am a communist.
They always go for the No, it's just a little bit of socialism.
Everything's going to be great.
We're all going to share.
Everything's going to be fantastic.
You want health care?
I got your health care.
You want this?
You want a home?
I've got you.
They promised this land.
It's exactly like Tim just said.
It is that promise.
ian crossland
So I guess socialized services is different than socialism.
phil labonte
Yes.
ian crossland
And we should debate what systems should be socialized.
phil labonte
So there's things that conservatives argue so that way, or in order to prevent a policy or whatever, but a lot of the social services that we, myself personally I'm kind of against this stuff, but They were made with the intent to diffuse the desire for the United States to become a more socialist country.
So in the Progressive Era, like the first half of the 20th century, Fascism and socialism were all the rage, right?
The state was in charge, the government could do things, and because we were now industrial countries and stuff, the state itself could do all kinds of massive projects, etc., etc., and everybody was buying it.
So I don't know why I just slipped out of my head what we were talking about.
martha bueno
What were we saying before?
phil labonte
Communism.
ian crossland
Yeah, but the point is like... You say they were using socialist tactics to diffuse the desire for socialism.
phil labonte
Yeah, because the world kind of was on fire for fascism and communism, and socialism, because before the end of World War II, Fascism didn't have the same kind of dirty connotations that it does.
Neither did communism, to be fair.
And these were new ideas, they were innovations that people were all excited about because we could remake man and remake the world because we had all this power because of the industrial revolution.
And the thing is, all those policies actually, there's an argument that those policies actually prevented the United States from falling into an actual socialist situation because the government stepped in and said, well, we'll use social programs, but we're going to keep, you know, the things that are, that keep us free.
So I'm not sure if I think it was, you know, the best option, but that is an argument that I've heard.
tim pool
You guys know there's a statue of Lenin in Seattle.
unidentified
Whoa.
martha bueno
I did not know.
tim pool
Still standing.
martha bueno
Makes sense.
tim pool
They'll pull down Hans Christian Hegg, who fought to end slavery.
They'll tear down the Founding Fathers, but not him.
ian crossland
The problem with Lenin is he looked so cool, dude.
Bald, just a shadow goatee, just angular.
carter banks
It's kind of like the problem with socialism in general.
ian crossland
Yeah, it looks great.
Like, Lennon is so- what a unique looking dude.
They've modeled video game characters.
I mean, I think that the reason I think he looks cool is because I've seen video characters modeled after him.
tim pool
16 foot tall statue of Lennon in Seattle.
martha bueno
What a guy.
16 foot.
tim pool
Yeah.
martha bueno
They even had to exaggerate that.
tim pool
Was he, like, in Fremont?
I lived in Fremont briefly.
ian crossland
I don't even know if we should start down the Lenin road right now.
phil labonte
No, we shouldn't.
We definitely shouldn't.
Marxism-Leninism is the idea that has led to all sorts of killing.
So Lenin's perspective was socialism... Lenin was like, Marx is wrong.
Socialism will not just happen.
Right?
The idea was, you had feudalism, then you had capitalism, and then once capitalism made enough product and stuff, then you would have socialism, and it would just happen, right?
And then after social- once you had socialism, then the people would start realizing that socialism works, and then that the government itself is redundant, because people are doing the things that need to be done, not the government, and then- No.
Was that- Sorry.
martha bueno
Yep.
tim pool
Apparently it's for sale.
What is?
The statue.
ian crossland
Oh, get it.
tim pool
And, uh, in 1996, they wanted $150,000 for it.
Right?
Which, at the equivalent today, would be $280,000 for it.
What say, uh, we buy it and then destroy it?
phil labonte
I so badly want to do this.
I love this.
ian crossland
I want to leave it.
I mean, it's a historical artifact.
Just stick it somewhere.
tim pool
That is a fair point.
I'm not- Spidey, now pee on it!
unidentified
Pee on it!
martha bueno
Let me pee on it!
ian crossland
I'm into that.
martha bueno
I think you need to do more than just paint.
tim pool
You know what I would love to do?
ian crossland
You should paint it.
Make it look like him in real life or something.
tim pool
No, put like a clown face on it.
ian crossland
Yeah, that'd be crazy.
tim pool
Buy it.
martha bueno
Oh my god, you should put it in the front of the property.
unidentified
Different wigs and stuff on him.
tim pool
Buy it and half bury it at Freedomistand.
ian crossland
Oh, it's just head sticking out?
tim pool
But charge people money to defile it.
phil labonte
You can walk by and smack it with a shoe for a buck.
ian crossland
Chicken eggs at it.
tim pool
We could put it in a shooting range and you could pay money.
ian crossland
Dude, you should hold onto it.
Like any good statue.
tim pool
Do you think they'd sell it to me if I told them my intention is to bring it to a shooting range?
phil labonte
We should stop talking about this right now.
After show only.
carter banks
We just want to repaint it like a Statue of Liberty.
ian crossland
I got a question for you guys about the president.
Do you think, because I was thinking last night, a lot of the people that watch this show enjoy Donald Trump, so I don't want to be too much of a dig on him, but last time I was like, I feel like voting for Trump right now is like the lazy man's vote.
It's just like go in there and just do it.
I don't even know, but like Vivek is the intellectual, it's the challenging route because he actually has a plan.
You have to think about it and actually learn things to understand how to manipulate our government properly.
phil labonte
Vivek was talking about the stuff with Infowars and stuff like that, so another good thing about Vivek is he's talking about these kind of things that other politicians don't seem to be talking about.
ian crossland
Super complicated stuff, too.
It takes hours to listen to it and then you might have a piece of it, but that's the challenge.
martha bueno
I want to throw out there that Vivek also said that he would pardon Ross day one.
ian crossland
Ross Albrecht.
martha bueno
Ross Albrecht, Silk Road, you know, and I think that that is, for me, that's a number one reason to vote for him.
I do like what he's doing.
I do like that he's going to these shows and being real.
Which politician in America is real, you know?
And I think Vivek is.
He's coming to all these shows and, you know, doing the work.
It's real easy to get a quick soundbite and just, you know, something that your manager gave you and like, blah, blah, blah.
I think everybody should have this.
And then he's actually there explaining things.
He's also talking about cutting, you know, lots of government agencies.
And I love that part.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Should we launch a Give Send Go for the purpose of purchasing the Lenin statue?
ian crossland
Recover.
For recovering the statue.
We must recover it from the capitalist oppressors that have colonized his likeness.
tim pool
Their selling it for money is really hilarious, by the way.
It's like, we made it and we're gonna sell it to you for a lot of money.
I mean, six figures.
This is no joke.
You could buy a house for that money.
martha bueno
I don't know.
I mean, that's a lot of money for a big pile of But I gotta tell you, hear me out.
tim pool
I'm fairly confident that if I bought this and then brought it to a big piece of rural land and said, for $5, you can defile it in any way you want.
martha bueno
Take my money.
tim pool
Oh, I'd make so much money.
martha bueno
Take my money, all of it.
Just let me, let me, please!
unidentified
This one's for me, and this one's for my dad, and this one's for- There would be Floridian pilgrimages of people being like- Why don't we just put it in Florida?
martha bueno
Let's put in the capital of Latin America, Miami, and let's just, you know, let the people that have had to flee their countries in recent times take care of it for you.
tim pool
I like that.
martha bueno
Take care of it.
ian crossland
If it was the bald statue of Lenin, I'd be into it, but he's got a hat on.
I don't have a lot of respect for bald guys that wear hats.
tim pool
We can get rid of that hat.
What is the non-profit, the Victims of Communism?
phil labonte
Victims of Communism.
tim pool
It would be cool to like buy it and donate it to them and say like, do with it what you will.
phil labonte
I love this.
tim pool
Make it special.
phil labonte
I think you should definitely do it.
Give us a go and see if people will donate to do it.
tim pool
If I were to do a Give, Send, Go, it would have to be to give it to the victims of communism memorial or whatever.
martha bueno
In fact, I would reach out to an anti-communist... How about you use it to stop current communism?
Or at least educate people on the current communism?
Because communism isn't over!
We've got an island 90 miles from our shores that is It's adapting to the monetary system.
ian crossland
Chinese communism isn't real.
martha bueno
Human communism is real communism.
tim pool
What I'm saying is, I would not crowdfund to buy this to personally own.
If we do a crowdfund, it's so that an anti-communist organization can get ownership of it.
Like, I'm saying, like, I don't like the idea we do a give-send-go, everyone gives money, which effectively gives me... I don't want the statue.
Like, if I was going to buy this statue on my own, I'd buy it on my own, and I'd charge admission for being able to defile it, because that's hilarious.
Turning him into a capitalist spectacle for capitalists to make money off of is just, mm, oh, it's icing on the cake.
phil labonte
I love it.
tim pool
So it's a possibility.
The first question is, will they actually sell it to someone they know is going to defile it?
But I think they legitimately would sell it to the victims of communism or some non-profit.
But it's also a question, too, would non-profit like the victims of communism want to be involved in something so crude?
Would that be besmirching the memory of those who were killed by these monsters?
ian crossland
No, this was created in Czechoslovakia during the Soviet Union's reign in 1988.
And then after the dissolution of the USSR, It was brought to America in 1993.
So I don't think this has anything to do with people that loved communism.
This is people that fled the Soviet Union.
Who made it?
It was made by a Bulgarian-born Slovak sculptor named Emil Venkov.
I don't know what his communist ties were.
tim pool
I'm just, you know, it would be hilarious to see what Antifa would do if we're like, it's ours now!
ian crossland
They'd be very confused.
It's made of bronze, maybe we could polish it.
tim pool
I think I have to buy it.
What am I alive for if not to buy the Statue of Lenin?
So that we can topple it?
Have Phil Labonte stand on top of it?
ian crossland
He's got like a thing behind him you can sit on?
Maybe you can set up a drum kit back there or something?
tim pool
I'm gonna pursue this because I look at the great works.
I look at the... I play Civilization, right?
And in Civilization, every so often you get great figures.
So it's like, you'll get a little dude, he'll be called, like, musician, and then you can place him somewhere and he makes culture, but every so often you'll get, like, Beethoven appears, and he's a guy you can go and then create a great work, and the great work creates cultural influence.
And I think about, where are we today?
Where's all of the significant cultural stuff that matters to people of this generation?
I saw a meme, and it's a bunch of cassette tapes, and it said all of these albums came out within, like, four months of each other.
Oh yeah, 1991.
phil labonte
Everything awesome!
ian crossland
Use your illusion 1 and 2.
tim pool
Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Nevermind, it's like some type of Pilots.
ian crossland
Bad Motorfinger, Soundgarden.
That was a good year, dude.
tim pool
It's crazy.
And so I'm thinking today, What have we done this year?
What has anyone done where it's like, we're gonna remember that crazy thing?
ian crossland
Oliver Anthony, I'll say.
tim pool
For sure!
I'm not saying nothing's been done, I'm just saying like, think about the things that we should create to create that memory and that cultural waypoint, as it were.
So I kind of feel like...
You know, Phil Labonte standing on the ruin of a shattered Lenin statue singing in mockery of communism is one of those things to be done.
ian crossland
Light it from underneath.
Oh yeah, put some lights underneath the thing.
Something free with a ladder on the back or steps on the back so you can climb up onto it really easy.
phil labonte
Timcast anti-communist shirt.
tim pool
You know, I don't like the destruction of statues, confederate or otherwise.
The burning of the library of Alexandria is a horror story to me.
Like, you know, if someone's like, you want to hear a horror story, you tell me about ghosts and demons.
I'm like, oh, that's cool.
But you tell me about the burning of the library of Alexandria.
And I'm like, I'm hiding.
I'm like, no, the knowledge.
So, you know, destroying the statue for no reason, just like toppling it is stupid.
But doing something cultural and artistic with it is important.
ian crossland
You know one of the things I like about that civilization reference, you're talking about great people, when your society produces a great person, Beethoven, Steve Jobs, whoever, when you get multiple great people all produced at the same time in history, they can come together to create a golden age.
And that's what's happened with the internet.
We're in a golden age.
We're in a time of immense crisis, but we're in a golden age while we're suffering the crisis, so it's that much easier.
We've got to use it while we have it, because it's, you know, every age comes to an end.
tim pool
Maybe we write a song And then we can use it in the music video?
Like, I'm thinking, like, can we create an artistic work that represents, you know, we deride and explain how bad communism is?
And there's a message that I think people often say that doesn't get enough attention, it doesn't permeate enough, and it's that the communists were infinitely worse, or I shouldn't say infinitely, but were substantially worse in many ways than the Nazis.
The Nazis committed probably one of the most, like, evil atrocities, but the communists had this long, drawn-out 70 years, or longer, 100 years, even still to this day, with what China has done to the Uighur Muslims, it's just this endless history of hundreds of millions of dead.
The Holodomor happened before the Holocaust, right?
And these things are horrifying and evil.
So, at least saying, like, guys, we get it.
We hate Nazis.
But can we also add Communism into the enlisted people?
martha bueno
I don't understand how we don't have Communism.
I mean, I don't know, depending on whatever number you want to use for how many people perished under Nazism, but Communism, that number is so much more.
Maybe 200 million people?
I mean, it's just so big.
tim pool
Oh my God.
Dylan Butters says, buy the statue, put a chicken bridge over it, and play Lennon getting crapped on live.
That's a really good idea.
unidentified
Love it.
tim pool
Just him, like, half out of the ground.
unidentified
Dude, the Lennon statue in Chicken City would be the best thing ever.
martha bueno
Those poor chickens just having to deal with this thing.
tim pool
No, the chickens would, we would put the perch right above it, where they sleep, and they just crap in their sleep and it plops right onto Lennon.
phil labonte
A Lennon statue in Chicken City.
unidentified
Forever.
phil labonte
Love it.
ian crossland
Oh perfect.
tim pool
I'll take I'll take a look at it to be completely honest I mean, it's not like I just have 300 grand to buy a statue of Lenin with.
ian crossland
Cuz you gotta ship it too.
It's massive.
tim pool
And shipping that's gonna be hefty.
ian crossland
How much is this?
tim pool
That's gonna be a serious cost to ship.
phil labonte
You get a bunch of people to do a road trip.
tim pool
You go pick it up and That's why I'm like, I really do think we could muster up a crowdfund between, it's not just about what this show can do, but if I reached out to a bunch of other personalities and said, guys, let's promote this and get a non-profit to buy this statue and then do something critical of communism with it, we'd raise that money overnight.
martha bueno
I agree.
And I love that idea.
I think that there is communism still today and a lot of people just don't know, don't know what it is, don't know how miserable it is, don't understand the crisis.
Again, going back to Miami, over a million people who have fled communist regimes live in Miami today.
And so, yeah, if you got to live it or talk to people who've lived it or do something like this, buy a statue and make sure people know what's going on.
ian crossland
Is the reason it fails and just always has failed is because it sounds great, everyone's gonna get enough, and then it gets to the point where you have so many people, we don't have enough resources now, everyone can't have enough.
phil labonte
It fails because human beings are not geared to be socialists.
ian crossland
Well, in small groups we are, like in a family unit.
martha bueno
Sure, but that's your desire to give to your children, to give to your wife, to give to the people that you love.
Now, what desire do you have?
If I tell you, hey, I really need some money and I just, I want it because I want it.
What drives you to go make that money for me?
phil labonte
If you were my neighbor and you were like, I want some money because I'm going to plant some corn, I could see like... Ian, you're talking about a concept that has to be at least national, right?
So you're talking about millions of people.
And things work differently at different resolutions, right?
So the way that The way that a family works.
There's only four, five, six, whatever, ten in your immediate family.
Communism's fine for that.
Because the people that you're supporting need you to take care of them.
Children can't go out and support themselves and take care of themselves.
That works.
But once you get to your neighborhood, You can't have a communist neighborhood.
You can might have some kind of, you can have social programs or social get-togethers and your neighbors can help each other, but it can't be just like, hey, Joe makes 100 grand and Bill makes 30, so we're gonna take, you know, Joe's money and give some of it to Bill and stuff, and that's the way that it ends up working out.
That ends up creating animosity, it ends up making mistrust, it ends up making people not feel like working.
There's this idea called the tragedy of the commons, right?
So if no one owns something, no one takes care of it because they don't feel like they're responsible for it.
That's one of the things that property does, right?
If you own something, then you feel like it is a part of you on some level, and it gives you the desire to take care of it, to make it better, to build on it.
If you don't have to take care of it, what happens?
Everybody pisses on the seat, because you don't have to clean the toilet.
Public toilets are always a mess, because no one takes care of them.
ian crossland
Like I was thinking, then does it break down in a little society because communism doesn't work after 60 people or something because there's someone in charge?
martha bueno
It doesn't work after one.
carter banks
Right, and there's always somebody in charge because, like, when you remove the incentive to do anything because everyone's getting the same thing, then it becomes about forcing people to do something and then People are appointed to force other people to do stuff and then before long it just... I mean, just think about it.
martha bueno
What incentivizes you to do things, right?
And there has to be something.
Otherwise, why leave your house?
You have to leave your house and make money because otherwise the electricity is going to be turned off.
You're not going to be able to afford things.
You're not going to be able to afford food.
So you go out.
Do your job and you come home with your money and you pay for things.
If everything was guaranteed to you, light, electricity, everything, you know, you just, you had it.
What's going to incentivize you to leave?
And go be productive and go make things and go be part of the society.
You know, it's kind of like what happened in COVID and I think to this day a lot of people have been talking about like there's some something shifted in our in our culture a little bit where people just maybe don't necessarily want to do a job, you know, because you were incentivized to stay home and and it kind of it's awesome.
I mean great you get to stay home and live your life.
And somebody else is going to provide for you.
And it just doesn't work.
Things don't just magically appear.
That food at the supermarket doesn't magically just go up.
It's not like somebody in the back of your supermarket, of your local supermarket is just like, you know, these things magically come out of something.
You have to grow that food.
You have to produce that food.
Who's going to do that?
Do you really think people want to go work the fields because they love it?
ian crossland
Yeah, it sounds like what would be profit motive, basically, is what gets people to do it.
unidentified
Yes.
martha bueno
You need a profit.
And also, profit is the perfect way to regulate the market.
You know exactly what somebody's willing to pay for something.
You're willing to pay $1,000 for a cell phone because you find value in that cell phone, right?
But if, you know, I was like, hey, this Apple phone, whatever, isn't $20,000, maybe you'd be like, I don't really need that.
There's a price point that is the right point that you're willing to pay for.
So that, you need that.
ian crossland
And do you think that you need to let people suffer?
I think, I'll just tell you this, I think that you need to let people suffer and the ones that pick themselves up and strive for something better are the success ones that send their genetics on to the next generation and the ones that they can't get out of the suffering die off and their genetics no longer with us.
phil labonte
You ever look at the Instagram page like, what is it, Nature is Metal?
Yes, dude.
So, one of the things that that page constantly says, right, and shows you all kinds of stuff, animals get eaten all the time, and he's like, look, nature's not fair.
martha bueno
Brutal.
phil labonte
It's brutal.
tim pool
And the cheaters and the most brutal are rewarded.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And so what you need to do is you need to have your society Be in harmony with the fact that the world is unfair.
And I'm not saying accept that it's unfair and just be like, oh, well, this is the way it is and just ignore it.
But when I say be in harmony, it means you have to understand that the world is unfair.
So you have to design a system that allows for those things to happen without destroying the system.
Right?
And that's one of the things that individuals that are free can do.
If you have decentralized, and you should, you understand decentralized more than most people, but if you have decentralized power, one person cheating or taking advantage of someone else or whatever doesn't ruin the system.
But if you have centralized power, then the incentive for the people in charge is to do whatever the hell they want.
Because who's gonna stop them?
Look at the way that the government's acting now.
Right?
Our government isn't a communist government, like it's not a totalitarian communist government, but the government currently is persecuting people that have bad opinions, because who's going to stop them?
tim pool
You know, I was just thinking we should probably do a Kickstarter for the Lenin statue shooting range thing, which would undoubtedly be rejected by Kickstarter.
But it would just really be really funny to have like that video where we're like, you know, our plan is to start a business that brings people together.
Our plan?
buy a statue of Lenin and then let people come to a shooting range where they can fire guns at it.
phil labonte
What's the statue made of?
ian crossland
Bronze.
tim pool
Bronze.
But you know, we've got a Barrett M82 and you know, we would charge like a hundred bucks for it.
phil labonte
Gotta be at least like 100 yards away.
tim pool
No, I think if we were going to allow anyone to fire the M82 at it,
it'd have to be like a thousand dollars for one round.
phil labonte
Fair.
tim pool
Because it destroys the statue.
Like, severely.
And you know, like, if people are firing .22s at it or whatever, you can go forever and enjoy it.
phil labonte
I wouldn't let them fire .22s, unless you're far away, because they're going to fly out, ricochet out, perhaps.
ian crossland
Just put it with the chickens, because them shitting on Len's head is way better.
for eternity. People can take pictures with it.
tim pool
Bearing him waist up and then letting the chickens come in and you can come and take pictures.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then they're less likely to ban our Kickstarter, but it would still be hilarious to make the Kickstarter
video where it's like, your contribution today, what do you get?
You know, for a $10 contribution, you get one ticket to come to Lennon Land where you can watch chickens take a
dump on his head.
martha bueno
Oh, please don't call it Lennon Land. Please.
unidentified
Please.
martha bueno
We do not need to, like, no, no.
Unless it's like Lennon Sucks Land, then maybe.
ian crossland
We can call it Utopia.
carter banks
I was just thinking that.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Just call it Utopia.
Welcome to Utopia.
tim pool
Yeah, that's actually funny.
Chicken shitty.
You know?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Living in the shitty.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Chicken shitty.
tim pool
And like, do you have a dog?
We can allow your dog to come in and you're in it on this damn show.
ian crossland
There you go.
For a $5 fee.
martha bueno
I still like Phil doing it more.
tim pool
No, but you can too.
ian crossland
That'd be a good video of just him yelling like full on.
unidentified
It feels so right!
tim pool
So I guess the reason why it's still up is because it's on private property and it's privately owned.
Cool.
It's been very controversial with a lot of people saying it's like putting a Klansman up.
ian crossland
I bet they're so ready to get rid of it.
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chats!
So, uh, we're gonna go to Super Chats.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, to watch the members-only portion of this show, and, uh, we will, uh, have you guys call into the show, and you can talk to us and our guests, it'll be good fun.
But for the time being, let's, uh, read your Super Chats.
I'm not your buddy, guys, as I believe your theory on 2020 and lockdowns is challenged by them wanting to re-implement those measures.
It wasn't anger, but rather opportunity for fewer integrity measures.
Throw in media hysteria mixed with cult members, and you got willing lone wolves committing fraud.
Interesting.
All right.
Corey Anderson says, where is Will Chamberlain?
You need to bring in lawyers to talk about all this BS.
Where is Will?
Will's a good friend, but he works for Ron DeSantis.
ian crossland
Still he does?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Does he want to work for Ron?
Will!
tim pool
But as you all know, DeSantis' campaign has barred any of their people from coming on this show.
ian crossland
So lame.
tim pool
Take that for what you will.
Alright, we'll grab some more.
Andre Tukulescu?
Fun fact.
Canada has a mandatory retirement age of 75 for senators and it's useless.
After the Bill C-18 debacle, which has removed news from Meta and Google, Canada has now effectively banned WD-40 beginning 2024.
Hell, what, really?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
What do we got?
Jam says, yo, Timmy, what up?
Thanks for joining.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, ignorance rules until illegals are sleeping on your sidewalks.
They voted for it.
And this is the noble life of democracy, Tim.
The belief in humanity, even though humanity is a screaming, selfish mob.
Fair point!
Yeah, we didn't get into the story.
Eric Adams saying that New York is doomed.
It made me feel really good.
He's like, we got 10,000 immigrants coming every month.
The city can't handle it.
It's over.
And it's just funny because it's like, well, you said if they voted for you, you'd make it a sanctuary city and maintain that policy, and you did, and now it's all burning down around you.
So, you know, you did it to yourself.
Oop.
You reap what you sow, man.
Bullseye Ben says, to New York City, you made your bed, now sleep in it.
phil labonte
That's right.
tim pool
Blah blah blah says, watched a bit about Baldur's Gate, with all the wokeness stuff being at the forefront, I think being able to get screwed by a bear was overlooked lol.
Yeah, was it actually a bear though?
Cause druids can turn into animals and stuff?
So, it's like, I'm playing Baldur's Gate, the mechanics are awesome.
It's a crazy game because you can literally do anything.
Like, you, the main character, you can die.
And then just play the game without it and carry on the storyline as somebody else.
It's really interesting and I think it's a lot of fun.
And, uh, you know it's an interesting question about these, uh...
I gotta buy this game.
in character creation because if they truly made a game with an open character creation
Yeah.
you could literally create any character within the confines of the story's universe.
In which case if it's possible to exist you can make it.
So like you could literally create a character who's schizophrenic.
That's the future of character creation in video games.
phil labonte
I gotta buy this game.
tim pool
Baldur's Gate?
unidentified
Yeah.
Why?
phil labonte
So I can at least know what the heck you guys are talking about.
Isn't this the one you and Ian are playing?
tim pool
Uh, Ian, yeah, Ian was playing it first, but I guess he stopped.
I've been playing it, I've got about six hours in.
My biggest problem with it right now, so it's basically Dungeons and Dragons.
And so, it's a really awesome mechanic.
That it's like, if you are in combat and you fire an arrow at someone, it's like your attack versus their defense or whatever, so there's actually a D20, a dice roll and stuff like that.
The problem I'm having with it is that The path I'm taking in the game, naturally, is charisma and persuasion, meaning I'm succeeding by talking my way through everything, which creates a problem because my characters are savvy, but can't fight.
carter banks
Right, right.
tim pool
So it's like I'm in a level seven area with level three dudes, and I'm successfully navigating all of the conflict through persuasion.
phil labonte
Gonna try and talk your way out of the dragon?
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
And then it comes to a point where there's somewhere where you can't avoid the conflict, and it's like you instantly lose.
And I'm like, but come on, man.
If I'm leveling up through persuasion and charisma and not focusing on combat, like, tell me that before, because I had to go back and reload.
I saved, like, 30 minutes of practice.
I'm like, oh, okay.
phil labonte
That's just bad game design.
tim pool
Yeah, like, I walk out of the... I don't want to give too much of the game away, but I walk out of a room and there's, like, 12 NPCs, instant combat, and I'm like, well, I'm dead.
ian crossland
You maybe need to do side quests to build up, get up to level 4 or something.
tim pool
That's fine, and I understand that, like, with most RPGs.
But it's just an issue of, in most RPGs, as you're progressing through the story, your combat is leveling up, and then you might say, ah, the next level is a little high, so I better, you know, level up my guys.
But I am leveling up my guys.
I'm just leveling them up in other ways.
And so it's like, you know, I'm running into that wall.
But it's fine, I get it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I just started it too.
I'm enjoying it so far.
It's like Divinity 2, but less cartoony.
If you guys ever played Divinity, Divinity series, it's kind of like a King's Quest, like a talking crab with like a crown.
tim pool
Yeah, I love King's Quest.
ian crossland
Larian Studios, who's making Baldur's Gate 3, their earlier two games were the Divinity and Divinity 2 games, and they're like 98 out of 100 top-level games, just like Baldur's Gate, top-down, isometric.
But they're more crazy, like you can teleport, you know, there's tons of stuff.
Baldur's Gate's more, like, realistic.
tim pool
I am enjoying it.
It's a lot of fun.
ian crossland
He's a friend, too.
tim pool
Tom Woods is great.
Grab some more Super Chats.
Trollkin says, you should have Thomas E. Woods on the show.
He's a historian and podcaster whose work inspired the Mises Caucus.
phil labonte
He's a friend too.
tim pool
Super knowledgeable, but also a fun and conversational guy.
phil labonte
Tom Woods is great.
tim pool
Look, we want to do a culture war episode debating communism.
unidentified
I'd love to get somebody who lived it.
tim pool
You know?
I mean, to be fair, Luke did, too.
But very briefly.
Luke Orkowski.
phil labonte
I haven't heard back from Zoltan yet.
tim pool
Oh, that'd be amazing.
phil labonte
I texted him.
unidentified
Oof.
martha bueno
Like I said, you're gonna be in Miami.
I can definitely introduce you to a whole bunch.
tim pool
I mean, that would be super amazing if we did, like, uh... Maybe- maybe we- maybe we get something with- we do, like, one of those panels where you get, you know, you get 10 people to sit down in chairs and you ask them questions about what's going on.
That'd be super awesome.
Maybe a lot could do it.
While we're down there.
unidentified
Alright, let's grab some more Super Chats.
tim pool
Treadbull says, Phil, what would you have said to Hinkle if you were here when he was?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I'm not here to pick fights with people.
This is not my podcast, so I'm going to be polite and stuff like that.
But I would have drilled him about property rights and what his plan is to do with the people that dissent.
Because it's always the same plan!
Kill him!
tim pool
I don't think he's actually a communist, though.
But we'll see if we have that bigger conversation.
There are people who are young and naive who are like, communism is just when people take care of each other and we share our stuff.
It's like, no, no, no, no.
You poor child.
That's not what communism is.
ian crossland
Somebody's in charge.
tim pool
That's the lie they tell you so they can kill your family and steal your stuff.
phil labonte
Yep.
So.
martha bueno
But is he naive or is he just evil and doesn't understand?
Because I think that, you know, ultimately, if you are in favor of this and, you know, it always ends in people starving and people being killed and stuff.
You have to be a little evil to like this, to want that.
I mean, it's just... The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
unidentified
Yeah, they paint it like it's such wonderful... How old is he? 22?
martha bueno
Yeah, but I mean, come on, he's 22 and he's young and whatever, but he's not dumb, right?
Objectively.
tim pool
Ignorant and naive.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
There's a difference between the people who are willfully lying and the people who have been tricked and are saying dumb things.
We can call it the banality of evil in that they're going along with it.
But the thing about Hinkle is, I don't even think he is of the banality of evil communism.
There are people who are like, Communism is actually good.
Like, I've read Marx, and it's like, okay, you're the banality.
Then you've got people who know what it really is and lie to you, and that's the malice and the abject.
But what he's saying isn't even communism.
He was not describing communism, at least in our conversation.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think the best thing to do with Henkel... I mean, I guess he's got stuff on the internet, but it's probably good to go ahead and just, like, list off a bunch of things that typically communism... He's talking about, like, regulation.
ian crossland
Yeah, we agreed on that.
Like, we had a similar vision of, like, socializing certain aspects of our governance, but how we get there is, like, do you want to use communism to get there?
Do you want to use, like, voluntarism to get there?
Which I... I don't know how you guys feel about that.
The libertarians would always be like, voluntarism's the way.
People will do it because they want.
martha bueno
Yeah, it is the way.
ian crossland
But like you were saying earlier, if you don't have incentive...
Is it just capital?
martha bueno
Yeah, but do you do nice things for people because you have an incentive to do it?
I mean, I think that it's a cultural thing.
I mean, honestly, being a volunteer, you do have a level of, like, you do it for your own well-being.
You don't do things for other people.
You do it for yourself.
You feel good when you volunteer.
I mean, I love to volunteer, and I'll be the first to say it.
I love to volunteer because it makes me feel good.
I love to do things for other people.
It makes me feel good.
You have to be a little bit of a selfish person even to give to other people.
I mean, there's an incentive to do it.
phil labonte
We talked about Tom Woods.
I heard him talking about this one time.
There's this odd thing that happens when you purchase something, right?
You go to the store and you give them money and they give you the thing or whatever and you both say thank you.
Like, that's very rare where both people are thanking each other, because both people feel like they have had a good experience in the exchange, right?
You wanted the thing more than you wanted the money, and the people that had the thing want the money more than the thing, right?
And that filling the need of another person is part of what makes markets work.
The fact that You have the ability to fill a need, and they can pay you, which is that positive exchange.
That's why markets work, and that's one of the things that's very pro-social about markets, that just doesn't exist in command economies, like a socialist system.
There's no thank you, when you just have a, you know, you go in and get your ticket, or if you're sitting in a bread line for hours and stuff to get, you know, just the basics and stuff.
So, that's one of the things about volunteerism, is both people are engaging, Because they want to, in a voluntary way, and both people come out feeling like they got at least a decent deal, or both people come out feeling like they got screwed, and that's how you know that you got a good deal too.
If the guy you did business with feels like you took him and you kind of feel like the guy took you, well then you probably got a fair deal, you know?
tim pool
Alright, the text vet says, The Trump flag shown is obviously speaking about the US, not individuals.
That's why it shows 1776, they're saying, Trump to win, or America is dead.
It seems fairly obvious as that's what everyone's been saying.
I agree with that.
martha bueno
I'd say Trump to be freed, Trump to not be facing this.
Yes, Trump to win is a whole other scenario.
I mean, is he the best candidate?
I mean, put it to a vote, right?
But to say that he has to win, I think that's taking it to the next level.
I think it should be Trump to be free of these charges. Otherwise, America is in
a bad place. Sure, I can agree to that. I don't think that he has to. Then that's starting a
whole other thing. So if Trump doesn't win, does that give you an excuse to now go out and riot? I
mean, come on, like, isn't that how we got here in the first place? Like, it's one step at a
time, people. Let's let him be free.
tim pool
Let's, you know, let's let the system work itself. Pablo Papano says, Ian, no president can unite the
ian crossland
US only God and graphene. God's a big part of it. And graphene is awesome, because that'll
give us a unified like an industrial focus as a nation. I I actually agree with that.
tim pool
I think at this point, I don't think there's any politician that could actually unite the United States.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
I do think there is something to be said about God uniting a people.
I don't see how you create a culture of faith in the United States today.
But if you were to look back at the past in the United States, people hated each other and they fought politically, but they all at least shared a moral framework, and that is their faith.
And because of that...
You know, there was cohesion.
ian crossland
Yeah, I see it with Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all focusing on a unifaith, this one God.
tim pool
A shared moral framework creates stability.
And it doesn't matter who your political leader is, if everyone has the same morals.
They fear, if I do something wrong, I will be punished by someone else.
And so it's interesting that faith in a god or religion that has Punishment for bad deeds means you're not going to be the liar, the cheater, the stealer, because there is someone who is coming to punish you.
ian crossland
Yeah, and it doesn't need to be a president, but I think a human that can translate the ideas of God and graphene or something, you know, whatever it is that unifies the people, if someone can translate that to the people, like Gandhi, he wasn't the president of India, he was just a guy, he was just a lawyer, but he rose to the occasion and inspired people to free themselves.
tim pool
Neglectful Sausage says, Tim Pool smoking that copium.
Quote, they're ramping up arrests and putting people on the right in for 20 years.
They're totally losing.
JFC.
Yep.
I think you'd have to be fairly naive not to understand the point of what's going on.
There are things called death throws.
Do you guys know what death throws are?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
When someone begins to die, they begin violently thrashing about.
Not everybody.
When someone is drowning, what do they do?
They violently thrash about.
If someone is drowning and you go to rescue them, what do they do?
They grab you and drag you down.
That's why they say you have to go up behind them.
There's like a technique for rescuing people who are drowning.
carter banks
There's a way for them to pass out, actually.
tim pool
Really?
carter banks
That's what I was told in lifeguarding class.
tim pool
You go up behind them and pull them from behind.
But that's one technique.
I don't know.
I'm not a lifeguard.
But here's the thing.
If they were in control, they would not need to indict Donald Trump at all.
If they were in control, they would not need to put Enrique Tarrio in prison.
They'd simply shut everything up.
They'd cut his bank account.
They'd destroy his life.
They tried all that.
It didn't work!
The Proud Boys famously got debanked, and Enrique Tarrio continued to do everything he did.
It's more like the economic hitman stories.
You know, first they say, join us.
Then they say, well, we're going to pay you off.
Then they start hurting you, and then they come in and remove you.
But what's happening now with these cultural victories across the board, I mean come on man, look at Rumble.
The expansion that they've had.
Look at Public Square.
If everything keeps moving in this direction, the old school uniparty machine ceases to exist in a couple generations.
Their only options now, after everything else has failed, censorship failed, debanking failed, their only thing left is violence.
And even that's not going to work.
ian crossland
Do you think that a decentralized form of governance in the United States could compete with the Chinese Communist Centralized Party?
martha bueno
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, think about it.
If this country was that beacon of freedom, that's why everyone wants to be here anyways, even though we're not.
Because we are, you know, we do have that, like, one of the things I've thought about this is, is why don't we have an Elon Musk in Latin America?
Why is it that only the United States has these people coming here with all these great ideas and starting these great companies?
It's that freedom that brings people here.
You want the best from around the world to come here.
You want the best minds here in the United States.
You will beat everybody else.
We need that innovation.
We want that innovation.
We should be welcoming.
Feel however you want to feel about immigration.
I'm not going to debate it, but if you had a policy where you, hey, all of those people who in Venezuela, Cuba, whatever, that are those great thinkers, that are those great doers, why wouldn't you want them here?
They're trying to flee.
Why wouldn't you want them here?
Why do you want them to go to Russia or to China or anywhere else?
You want them here in the United States giving those great ideas.
And, you know, yes, I think that a decentralized country could I mean, that is how the United States became the United States.
ian crossland
Yeah, I get it.
So less federal authority allows for more privatization and wealth gain growth, which makes you more resistant to a foreign nation.
It's actually the wealth of the nation.
martha bueno
In my generation, I went from using a telephone on the wall because we had a monopoly with Mabel, and as soon as that government control of it went away, look at us now.
We have these little devices in our hands.
This is in my generation.
So absurd how much government control just keeps us down and we keep asking for more of it.
How much innovation and technology would we be at if we didn't have the government stifling us?
To open a business, you have to go through all these rigmaroles just to get it started.
Why?
It's ridiculous.
Government does not help you in any way, shape, or form.
ian crossland
Some proprietary monopolies can be really destructive.
If Google were to try and take over the world right now, Alphabet, we would need our government to help protect us, at least on American soil.
martha bueno
take over the world if there is no government making them the only people doing things.
Competitors happen all the time.
I still use Google, but DuckDuckGo, you have solutions.
You cannot have a monopoly where there is a free market.
ian crossland
You could have big players in the free market, Kahlou, and kind of monopolize BlackRock,
Vanguard, State Street.
martha bueno
BlackRock is absolutely using the United States government to get to where they want to be.
ian crossland
Do you think they'd be in a worse place without the U.S.
unidentified
government?
ian crossland
government?
unidentified
Of course.
ian crossland
Or a stronger place?
martha bueno
I mean, it depends on what your worse or better is.
I think they're in a position that is not favorable to the people of the United States, and they got there using government.
tim pool
The thing about large corporations is, Ian, for instance, you mentioned MSNBC with a lag.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
They invest ridiculous sums of money into this foundation.
They build a machine that's hard to move.
As time progresses, their methodologies and technologies become more and more obsolete or archaic, and upstarts, startups, become disruptive and start moving in.
What we typically see is the government then create roadblocks to support the jobs by propping up failing industries.
So, in not every circumstance, but there are many circumstances where We'd be better off if these systems were allowed to collapse and crumble into themselves.
So you have companies that should have failed.
The auto industry crumbled from their own errors.
You have the banking industry.
But then you look at government programs.
These things should be better handled by non-profits.
I have no problem with social programs.
The problem I have is they're not allowed to fail.
Once social programs run out, don't work anymore, whenever any program is created, it should have a sunset clause.
This is for five years, then it's done.
Instead, you get these welfare programs, they keep putting band-aids over and tape over and it keeps making a bigger and bigger system that can't fail and it gets broken and worse and it just infects and it gets... there's problems there.
But let's read some more Super Chats.
Gotta read this one from Christy Harris.
She says, Ian, I adore you.
Please consider Trump was more divisive due to things said about him and not by him.
He could not be liked so others Deep State fueled hate.
However, he was a clapback master, i.e.
Rosie.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
The flames were fanned.
I won't deny that.
The media did play a huge part in the back and forth, but so did Don.
Telling Hillary Clinton he would have her arrested and thrown in jail while he was campaigning... Yeah, it's way worse that they're actually arresting people and throwing people in jail.
I know, but he opened up the gate for... That's my opinion.
By saying that on stage, for a power play, it's like, what are you messing with, bro?
tim pool
All right.
Mea Culpa 632 says, I invite you and all of the Timcast crew to come to Mountaineer in Martinsburg on Sunday at 2 p.m.
for a friendly, dark luck of the draw, building relationships with the local community.
Perhaps I will be there.
I don't know for sure what we're doing, what the plans are this weekend, but that's the Mountaineer in Martinsburg.
We got a bunch of stuff happening in Martinsburg, ladies and gentlemen.
I probably shouldn't say it, but I'm gonna say it anyway.
We were talking about creating Cousin T's, a diner, and Papa Jack's Pizza Shack.
I think we should do it in Martinsburg.
phil labonte
Who's, uh, who's Pizza Shack?
tim pool
Papa Jack.
Jack Posobiec.
phil labonte
Oh, okay, right, okay.
tim pool
Papa Jack's Pizza Shack!
phil labonte
I'm into it.
tim pool
With a skate park in the back.
phil labonte
I'm into it.
unidentified
Oh!
ian crossland
That's right.
tim pool
Bring the whole family.
ian crossland
Skate and then eat.
tim pool
You know what I'm thinking would be super cool?
An anti-Times Square.
We create our businesses.
We've got our coffee shop.
We've got Cousin T's diner.
We've got Papa Jack's Pizza Shack.
We get a MyPillow brick-and-mortar store.
phil labonte
Just take over a whole, like, intersection.
tim pool
Just a street in a downtown area with all of these businesses that are the parallel economy.
We have a bar that the bar serves ultra-right, you know, conservative dad's ultra-right beer.
I want to call- People will travel to come hang out and be a part of this cultural hub.
phil labonte
Oh yeah, they would totally travel.
ian crossland
We gotta do this.
I was thinking like, anti-times, it was and times, but this didn't work.
tim pool
And times square?
carter banks
Times circle?
ian crossland
Doesn't look good in writing.
tim pool
But we don't call it anti-times square, but that's the general idea of what it is.
How cool would that be?
And then, the thing about Martinsburg is that it's a couple hours from a bunch of different metros.
Pittsburgh, Philadelphia's a few hours away, you got D.C., Baltimore, Richmond is a few hours away.
martha bueno
Freedom Square.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Freedom.
Yeah, freedom something.
I mean, there's a bunch of Freedom Squares all over the place.
But how cool would it be?
You get a hotel, you come down, and then you can get breakfast at Cousin T's.
martha bueno
Disney World for people who like freedom.
tim pool
But like Times Square, because there's no theme parks or anything, but we could put an arcade.
You know, be super cool.
martha bueno
I mean, you said a skate park.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
Papa Jack's Pizza Shack with skate park in the back.
ian crossland
Yeah, don't eat before you skate, eat after you skate.
tim pool
It's not really, the skate park isn't really a part of Papa Jack's Pizza Shack, it's just on the other side of the street, you know what I mean?
And it's just fun to say.
This is really cool, and then we'll buy the Statue of Lenin and we'll tie it.
ian crossland
We'll move it to New Times Square.
phil labonte
I love this.
martha bueno
We'll put it in the bathroom of New Times Square.
ian crossland
Yeah, let's call it New Times Square.
unidentified
Put it in the bathroom, everyone just... Because it's like New Times, but it's also Times Square.
tim pool
I'm willing to bet that there are enough people in this space that would hands down Martinsburg is not super expensive.
It's the fastest growing city in West Virginia.
They would easily be like, okay, we'll set up, we'll set up a shop there.
Why not?
ian crossland
I was going to say millions.
Millions of people.
tim pool
How about, how about Jeremy Hambly sets up a, a comic, a card shop and a comic shop, gaming and all that stuff.
So now we've got the makings of, you know, five different businesses.
We got to get a MyPillow brick and mortar store.
Super easy to do because the inventory doesn't expire.
phil labonte
Isn't Eric July from the, uh, D.C.
area too?
tim pool
Is he out here?
phil labonte
I'm not sure where he is.
That would be sick though.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, a comic shop with Eric July would be awesome.
phil labonte
Not to throw more stuff on his plate, the guy's going nuts as it is because of all the business he's got, but yeah.
tim pool
But we can figure this out.
So we're talking with Chef Andrew Gruel, cause, uh, that was, uh, actually Terrence Williams' idea, and I'm like, that's a good idea.
I hit him up right away, and he was like, let's roll.
And I'm like, this is gonna be amazing.
We're gonna have our own parallel economy and our own cultural hub where we do events, we have comedians.
We're gonna have, at our venue, a small stage for comedy and stuff.
We have, like, Ryan Log do stand-up.
ian crossland
Let's block off the street and have, like, block parties.
tim pool
We could, we could.
ian crossland
Like, every Sunday or something.
tim pool
Well, we can't just do that.
That's gonna be, like, you know, we gotta talk to the locals.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, with the city and everything.
We could shut it down and do street festivals on Sundays.
tim pool
But I'm thinking, it's, one thing that we can do is with, uh, With our coffee shop and the small stage we have, we could easily get big bands.
We could afford to pay them to come out and make this a big attraction.
ian crossland
You could play outside on a stage.
phil labonte
I don't know of any venues in the West.
I don't know where in West Virginia there are venues.
I'm sure that there's at least one.
tim pool
I'm not talking 100.
I'm not talking 200 people.
I'm talking like a 75 person coffee shop acoustic set.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Secret show style.
Sure.
Whereas like a small coffee shop normally wouldn't be able to pay major label bands, we could do that for the purpose of bringing people to our space, and then they go get dinner at Papa Jack's Pizza Shack.
They get a hotel room next morning, they wake up and they go to Cousin T's Diner.
Aw, dude, this would be the coolest thing ever.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
We gotta make it happen!
ian crossland
We need to build a hotel there, too.
tim pool
There are hotels there.
ian crossland
Do you guys know anybody at the Hilton?
tim pool
I think this would be just good for everybody.
I wonder what the people there... So, what I do know is that locals Because we're working there already, and we've had a bunch of people ask us, like, can you please invest and help build this stuff up?
And I think it'd be really cool if we brought all these parallel economy businesses and brought them in.
We could probably just go down the list of Public Square and be like, if you're a company on Public Square, how would you like to, let's do this!
This would be super cool.
Well, we're gonna be doing it at the very least.
We're gonna be, uh, I've been talking to Jack Posobiec about a family pizza chain for a long time because, you know, his big thing is Pizza Hut nationalism.
Family pizza restaurant.
But, but it's like, he brings a good point, like, there's this viral video of 1989 of Pizza Hut, and it was a bunch of people coming and having a birthday party, and it's like, when do we do this anymore?
ian crossland
I know!
tim pool
Pizza Hut now is a strip mall small store that does delivery only.
Now we need places where people come together.
I look at GameStop and I went to GameStop the other day and I'm like, dude, this is the wrong business model.
GameStop needs to dedicate a third of its store to competitions, community events, and
tabletop games.
GameStop should be a place where you could...
It should be the big chain for tabletop games and video game competitions.
You should be able to...
Like, why is it...
Why do you need the product?
Why do you need the best controller?
Why do you need the best headset?
Oh, bro, because the Insert Video Game competition is going to be held at your local GameStop Friday night, and you can win 50 bucks in store credit, or you can go to nationals, or you can get into these leagues or whatever.
If you're playing video games, esports competitively, what's your local hub?
GameStop could do that.
I've been saying that for years, but that's just me.
ian crossland
What do you think for Jack's Pizza Shack?
Papa Jack's.
What do you think about Daddy Jack's Pizza Shack?
tim pool
I think Papa Jack's Pizza Shack works better.
It's a bit more alliterative.
ian crossland
And Daddy's kind of sexual, so I get it.
But Papa's already used for Papa John.
phil labonte
I think Daddy is only sexual in certain contexts because I've heard the word Daddy a whole lot where it was totally not sexual.
tim pool
Uncle Jack's Pizza Shack.
ian crossland
Uncle Jack's Pizza Shack?
Well, I don't want to derail.
unidentified
Papa Jack's is kind of like Papa Jack's.
ian crossland
Papa Jack's.
tim pool
Neighbor?
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ian crossland
Speaking of pothead... Oh, maybe I didn't tweet you out earlier.
Your Twitter?
martha bueno
My Twitter is at Bueno for Miami, and that's my handle for pretty much all social media.
ian crossland
I'm looking forward, I want to talk, it's hourgood, O-U-R-G-O-O-D?
martha bueno
That is correct, hourgood.com.
ian crossland
I want to ask you about it on the after show a little bit.
I want to hear about this Delta 9 stuff.
martha bueno
Do you want to try it?
tim pool
Yes!
ian crossland
Every day!
tim pool
Let's talk to Carter.
You want to shout something out?
carter banks
Yeah, no, I'm pumped to be on today because we just wrapped up a music video.
As you all know, Ian's in it.
Well, maybe you don't know, but It's coming out very soon, so follow TimCastSongs.
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tim pool
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