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Timcast IRL - 61 Antifa INDICTED On CONSPIRACY Charges Over Attack On Cop City w/Jackson Hinkle
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tim pool
61 Antifa activists or whatever you want to call them have been indicted on RICO charges
out of Georgia.
And this is on top of the 20 or so that have already been charged with domestic terrorism for the actions they took at Stop Cop City, which includes firebombing and throwing bricks and other objects, as well as, you know, there was a shootout and there was a bunch of violence and destruction that happened all around the area in Atlanta, outside of Atlanta, where they burned down houses, flipped over vehicles and destroyed them.
Really interesting these charges dropped today when we're getting news that Enrique Tarrio received 22 years in prison.
He was sentenced despite not actually being at January 6th.
Why did he get 22 years in prison?
Because he texted other Proud Boys cheering them on during January 6th.
And that's it.
Ladies and gentlemen, There's a lot of news today and trying to figure out which one is the one to go is really tough.
You got Jill Biden's got COVID.
Joe Biden's saying he's gonna start wearing a mask again.
Fauci's saying he'll be really upset if nobody wears masks and they recommend it.
You've got Tucker Carlson dropping a trailer for an interview with the guy who claims that he was having adult relations with Barack Obama.
Man, Elon Musk is suing the Anti-Defamation- or threatening to sue the Anti-Defamation League, and then, of course, Russian TV personalities have threatened to nuke the United States in retaliation if the U.S.
engages in war with Russia.
Oh boy.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Jackson Hinkle.
jackson hinkle
Thank you so much for having me on.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
jackson hinkle
I have a YouTube show, it's called The Dive with Jackson Hinkle, and I cover geopolitics, Russia, Ukraine, Africa, China, anything U.S.
foreign relations, and also some of the subjects we're going to be talking about tonight.
tim pool
Right on.
Should be interesting, considering we have that story going around about that personality saying they're gonna nuke the United States.
I think it's BS, but of course, you know, we'll get into it and we'll break that down.
So, should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
jackson hinkle
Thank you.
tim pool
We got Hannah Clare hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
It's the best news on the planet, and you should read it all the time.
Ian's here, too.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Actor, musician, writer, Ian Crosland.
Happy to be here at Ian Crosland.
Hit me up on the internet, but let's get rolling.
What's up, Kellan?
unidentified
Hello, everybody.
I'm filling in for Serge.
He's under the weather today, but I'm here pushing buttons.
Let's get started.
tim pool
We got this story from the Associated Press.
61 indicted in Georgia on racketeering charges connected to stop cop city movement.
I love this stuff.
They say 61 people have been indicted in Georgia on racketeering charges.
In the sweeping indictment released Tuesday, Republican Attorney General Chris Carr, interesting name, alleged the defendants are militant anarchists who supported a violent movement that prosecutors traced to the widespread 2020 racial justice protest.
The August 29 indictment is the latest application of the state's anti-racketeering law, also known as a RICO law, that comes just after Fulton County prosecutor used the statute to charge former President Donald Trump.
and 18 other defendants. The stop cop city effort has gone on for more than two years,
and at times veered into vandalism and violence. Opponents fear the training center will lead to
greater militarization of the police, and that its construction in an urban forest will exacerbate
environmental damage in the poor majority black area. I love that qualifier.
That defense of these far-left extremists.
Let me just pull up their Wikipedia entry on StopCopCity, and they say, domestic terror charges.
20 people in all were hit with these charges going back to January and December.
On March 6, it was reported, 23 people had thrown large rocks, bricks, Molotov cocktails, and threw fireworks at police, as well as having set buildings and equipment on fire, had been charged with domestic terrorism.
Only two of them were from Atlanta.
One was from France.
And one rush from Canada.
But thank you, AAP, for adding that needless caveat, or not caveat, but qualifier, that they're worried it will make environmental damage worse in this poor majority black area.
This is the issue when it comes to the left, when it comes to the right.
Even when you get serious criminal charges, now 81 it appears, the media will do everything to protect them.
Take a look at this from NPR.
Domestic terrorism charges in Georgia are prompting concern over political repression.
And they start the story by saying, when Luke Harper went to Atlanta in early March, he thought he would be staying the weekend.
A 27-year-old copywriter from Florida was just going to go there to join a demonstration in opposition to the police.
But on a second night, after attending a music festival with other protesters, he was ARRESTED and accused of being a domestic terrorist.
Maybe it was like, I don't know, when that dude opened fire on police, I think more than one, and the cops shot back and one of them died, or when they went around burning buildings.
But this is what you get.
Right now, the other big news, which we'll get into in a second, is that Enrique Tarrio, who is not even at January 6th, has been sentenced to 22 years in prison, and what do you think the media is saying about him?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, they're definitely going to call him a domestic terrorist.
I mean, the contrast between the treatment of these two groups or two types of people is insane.
It's impossible not to see it as inflammatory and an attempt to try and push differences.
I mean, yes, the AP has an article about this, but it's not being picked up the same way.
So few people know about what's going on in Georgia.
I mean, I honestly think, Tim, you're one of the people who talk about it the most.
And that's crazy because it's a year long, essentially, It's interesting.
that's all that has repeatedly come to violence. January 6th, while complicated
and obviously made a national impression, was one day and did not cause nearly the
destruction that this is happening to Fulton County. So I just don't understand it.
tim pool
It's interesting, I think you know a lot of people are celebrating the indictment
but this came from, I think this indictment is coming from the state
level, not from the local level and it's unsurprising that you know the Atlanta
area which is left-leaning Democrat isn't doing anything for the most part
And it's the state-level government.
But I'm curious.
I don't know exactly where this goes.
I will say I am surprised and shocked that any charges came about.
But then again, Georgia is a weirdly... How do you describe it?
It's a red state, right?
Kind of?
hannah claire brimelow
It's red but it has several major democratic strongholds.
It's a more interesting and demographically complicated state than a lot of red states which are majority white or something like that.
It makes sense that it's a battleground state because it's in conflict with itself as much as it is with many other parts of the U.S.
jackson hinkle
I think it's always good to just take it back to the point, like these people are going to get maybe a few years behind bars if that, you know.
It's a slap on the wrist and they're literally committing domestic terrorism, they're treasonous maybe even, and look at that, they get a few years but they're trying to lock up Julian Assange for the rest of his life.
tim pool
Oh, I mean, the Julian Assange thing is an assassination.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
tim pool
And with this Antiva thing, they've not even been sentenced.
These are charges.
Don't be surprised if, like, in D.C., on, it was the January 20th, 2017 protests, yes, they criminally charged 200-some-odd people with conspiracy, and it was a big, like, oh, heavens!
And then what happened?
They all got acquitted, charges were dropped, and then they were paid millions of dollars in a lawsuit.
So we're seeing this now, but at the same time, the inverse story is about people who are being raided.
This is the crazy thing.
They're starting to raid more people over January 6th.
They were waiting for an election year.
So yeah.
And then, you know, to your point, Julian Assange.
Oh boy.
jackson hinkle
Yeah.
tim pool
Look, Julian Assange is a real threat to the established order.
Julian Assange did everything appropriately, and unless any information has been kept secret, I can only see him doing journalistic activities.
And that is really damaging.
So what do they do?
Oh, they lock him up, and they essentially try to... Let's just say they silenced him, right?
What these lunatics are doing in Atlanta is just chaos.
jackson hinkle
They've killed people.
They've killed people.
I mean, there's... In Atlanta, they killed people?
You said they've shot... They've, uh... They shot a cop.
tim pool
The cop didn't die.
jackson hinkle
Okay, well, they've shot more bullets at Americans than Putin's army has.
We'll leave it at that.
tim pool
Alright, fair point!
I mean, that's true.
But you hear nothing about it in the press.
Actually, there are Americans on the ground fighting in Ukraine, so they are getting shot at by Putin's forces, but they're not, like, I guess, declared U.S.
personnel?
jackson hinkle
They're not there doing official business of the U.S.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't think that matters, to be honest.
Like, the U.S.
intentionally has people there, is intentionally engaging in this conflict.
hannah claire brimelow
What do you mean?
They're not in war with Ukraine, we're just sending them tons of money and military support.
tim pool
Yeah, and intelligence and volunteers and weapons for those volunteers and training for those volunteers.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, we love service in this country.
We think it's great to help other people.
I think the Antifa story is so interesting because this is sort of the heaviest hit that I've seen to Antifa.
I mean, Portland cannot get their situation under control.
And in contrast, it's the same day that we see the longest sentence handed down to anyone involved in anything related to January 6th.
I mean, if you can't see that the justice system has favorites, I don't know what we'll tell you.
I don't know.
How people can have faith in any sort of judicial branch, if state or whatever, or anything.
I mean, the federal government is sending thousands of people.
They've charged thousands of people.
I think it's 1,106, the last DOJ number I saw, in connection to January 6th.
600 people at least have been sentenced.
And in contrast, you know, Justin Jones, who's a state representative in Tennessee, got reinstated
after he led a, you know, protest on the floor of the chamber that disrupted official proceedings.
I assume that's also a form of seditious conspiracy, but Tennessee has not gone after him for that.
I mean, well, it just shows that, like, there are some things that we are willing to let
slip by depending on what you're promoting.
tim pool
I do want to give a shout out to Christopher Carr of Georgia.
It's funny because our executive editor is named Chris Carr.
hannah claire brimelow
He was absent last week.
He was on vacation.
I wonder what he was up to.
tim pool
Maybe he's actually moonlighting as the Georgia Attorney General.
We often talk about how it's like we see not a single Republican or conservative do anything as the left runs rampant, firebombing.
Well, he is!
He is!
Shout-out!
Now, I mean, B-C+, right?
It's good that these psychopaths who are firebombing buildings, burning them down, flipping over vehicles, shooting at cops, it's good they're being criminally charged, and he's going after them with some, like, he's going after these, Rico, good!
They conspire, they plan these things.
There's the crazy video of like a hundred plus people, I hope he gets all of them and arrests all of them.
There is a difference, however.
I don't...
I don't much care for, like, tit-for-tat in the sense that, you know, in Georgia, they indict Donald Trump, the frontrunner for the Republican Party, and then you get a guy saying, oh yeah, I'm gonna arrest some extremists who are at this cop thing.
I'm like, those are totally different territories.
I'm still glad that it's happening.
It's not exactly what everyone is asking for when it comes to corruption.
You've got Democrats who have complained about the election, who lobbied election officials, who begged people to vote for somebody else, who claimed Trump was a Russian spy.
That's seditious conspiracy.
When you have Hillary Clinton, you know, effectively, correct me if I'm wrong, but funding the Steele dossier, resulting in a fine and a bunch of other things, I mean, that's seditious conspiracy.
Accusing the President of being a spy to try and win an election, that is stealing power, trying to... I guess the only argument is Trump wasn't in office at the time.
And Joe Biden was.
But the problem is we see all of that, and there's no action being taken against any of the Democrats who are in office who are pushing this stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it seems crazy.
ian crossland
One step at a time, I suppose.
I'm with you.
I'm glad that these violent protesters are facing justice, but I am concerned that... Protesters.
Yeah, you could call it that.
A violent protest riot.
These people that were shooting at the cops.
jackson hinkle
Terrorists.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
And, uh, but what concerns me a little bit is that it's, uh, I think you mentioned tit for tat that the bar is getting raised.
Like, okay, now we've decided it's okay to charge someone with 80 counts of this.
Now we're going to go with someone over there.
Okay.
Because like you said earlier, there's the left, the right, and the establishment.
The establishment don't care what side of the culture war you're on.
It will use that side's justification to go after that side, and then that side's justification to go back after that side, and then happily stay on top of the hill.
So, I don't like this escalation of lawfare, but, you know, the guys that are shooting at cops, they need to go.
jackson hinkle
It is lawfare, but the last thing I'll say is that, like you said, the people that have committed all these war crimes in Syria or in wherever, you know, they're never going to be held accountable.
Those are the untouchables.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Obama won an award called the Peace Prize.
jackson hinkle
Yeah.
tim pool
And, you know, he blew up kids.
hannah claire brimelow
He's such a peaceful guy.
jackson hinkle
Airstriking, you know, wedding processions, all that stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Here's an important piece of the AP news that y'all are going to love.
They say among those charged with domestic terrorism in March, near the music festival, an indicted last week is Thomas Juergens, a Southern Poverty Law Center staff attorney.
Juergens' lawyer said his client wore a bright green hat, a well-known identifier used by legal observers, and his arrest alarmed many human rights organizations.
The law center called an example of heavy-handed law enforcement intervention against protesters.
DeKalb County District Attorney Sherry Boston, a Democrat, mentioned her concerns about Juergen's prosecution in announcing her June decision to withdraw from criminal cases connected to the movement.
Listen, my friends.
Just explain to me where you think this country is currently at when the Democrat district attorney outright says they are not going to prosecute or be involved in criminal cases against terrorists, and Fulton County is trying to indict the frontrunner for their rival political party and his lawyers.
Just call it whatever you want.
I don't care.
Literally don't.
But, uh, yo, something crazy is going on.
Something absolutely insane is happening.
We have 81 people being charged with either conspiracy or domestic terror by a Republican, and a Democrat being like, I'm not going to be involved in any of those criminal charges.
Like, these people, shut it, cops!
And then they're like, the January 6th should be rounded up.
Enrique Tarrio gets 22 years in prison.
Dude wasn't even there?
Wasn't even there.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and the majority of the people arrested are out of state in Georgia, for Stop Cop City, right?
So, Georgia's literally under attack from people who are not from Georgia, and their attorney general is like, no, it's fine, I'm not interested in taking part.
ian crossland
Yeah, what is this, domestic?
They call it domestic terrorism, but if a guy from France comes to the United States and commits an act of terrorism, that's not domestic terrorism.
hannah claire brimelow
Domestic means that they are Americans attacking America.
tim pool
Yeah, but there's a French guy and a Canadian guy.
ian crossland
Yeah, apparently, so it's just straight up...
International terrorism.
These guys came to the United States to wreak havoc on cops.
That's international terrorism.
jackson hinkle
If this was happening in Hungary or some other country, they'd be sending in Victoria Nuland to go and launch a coup and install a new government.
We're literally living in a banana republic right now.
It's insane.
ian crossland
I used to shop at a store called The Banana Republic.
It was like they were softening me, getting me ready.
hannah claire brimelow
I never understood why they named that store that.
It's like, it sounds like, I think I got my first suit from Banana Republic.
ian crossland
They were making it cool.
unidentified
It's like, hey, it's okay.
hannah claire brimelow
It's owned by the same company that owns like Gap.
jackson hinkle
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
That's their name.
tim pool
Well, then when someone says something like, you ever hear of Banana Republic?
They'll be like, yeah, for sure.
And in their mind, they're thinking of like a shopping mall.
ian crossland
Chiquita Banana.
And they're like, I remember that store.
hannah claire brimelow
They've been conditioning us for years.
ian crossland
I'm wearing Banana Republic right now.
Isn't that crazy that we named one of our corporate capitalist... Well, we didn't, the company didn't.
Yeah, this fascist thing, they named it the Banana Republic, like, after the countries that we were ripping off.
tim pool
So, let's jump to this story.
Around the same time that we were learning that several anti-FUD, far-left extremists were being indebted on RICO charges, we also got this news.
Proud Boy's leader, Enrique Tarrio, ex-propositor, sentenced to 22 years for January 6th riot roll.
And that roll was... He was texting people, cheering them on.
That's it.
ian crossland
This is freaky, man.
tim pool
Look, if you want to argue someone incited someone else to violence, like, what do you get for that?
A couple years?
If that, depending on the seriousness or nature of the crime.
ian crossland
Charles Manson, for instance, got life for inciting those guys to go F it up.
tim pool
I mean, telling people to go...
ian crossland
Murdered somebody.
He just said, go F it up.
And they took that to mean, okay.
So they went and then they ended up killing these people.
And they're like, nope, Manson incited it.
Manson's going away.
tim pool
I don't trust any of these charges.
Enrique Tarrio was not there.
This is insane.
Here's the story.
They say he's been sentenced to 22 years in prison for his role on January 6th.
He was one of six Proud Boy leaders to be charged for conspiring to stop the certification of the 2020 election.
Tarjo's originally scheduled hearing was postponed, blah blah blah, they wanted 33 years, he got 22.
They highlight a few things, and also they gave a whole bunch of other dudes 15 to 20 years.
Biggs got, uh, 17.
Tarrio was convicted for obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging their duties, obstruction of law enforcement during a civil disorder, and destruction of government property of the value over a thousand.
Tarrio wasn't at the actual Capitol riot because he'd been arrested days earlier and he'd been told to leave the city, so he did.
Apparently he went to D.C.
instead.
Prosecutors say from a hotel outside of DC, Tarrio directed his Proud Boys to attack the Capitol without him.
Tarrio's attorneys have said he wasn't in contact with any members of the organization during the riot, and pointed to Nordian and Biggs as being the orchestrators of the riot.
Further, they said, And that's the issue.
in a plan for the Proud Boys to protest on January 6th is not the same as directing others
on the ground to storm the Capitol by any means necessary.
And that's the issue.
Apparently that's it.
He wasn't there.
There was no actual plan among any of the Proud Boys to do anything.
They were unarmed.
Many of them just did dumb things.
And if you riot, yeah, you riot especially at the Capitol during the electoral vote count, I think you get some serious charges.
But like what?
A year?
Sixteen months, maybe, for knocking down barricades or smashing windows.
I do think, it is fair to say, it is personally offensive to smash the windows of our Capitol building.
You know, man, I look to American history and all the stuff.
I reject and despise the corruption, but it is amazing to go to D.C.
and see all the art and all the history, and people smashing stuff and bashing windows and trying to break their way in.
Really, really bad.
I say criminal charges, and we'll be really harsh.
Let's be really, really harsh.
A rider who does this should get 18 months.
hannah claire brimelow
And they've already served that, right?
That's time served.
They've already been there.
tim pool
Free to go.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
tim pool
So you look at these guys who, this guy burned down a police station in Minneapolis.
He gets four years.
You look at some of the, what is it, the Molotov cocktail lawyers.
What do they get, a year?
hannah claire brimelow
I think.
tim pool
22 years?
They're effectively ending these dudes' lives.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I mean, that's something Tarrio said today when he spoke.
He said, you know, he's 39.
He said, please don't take my 40s from me.
I would love to get married and have children.
And you're going to be, he's not gonna come out.
He's like, what, 60?
It's sad.
It's sad to see someone have to be the scapegoat.
I mean, that's what the US government has done to him.
tim pool
I'm just gonna, I'm gonna play the time travel game again, because I love this game.
Let's go back to 2017.
And I want you all to imagine going to one of your friends and telling them, in 2023, six Proud Boys will receive multi-decade sentences in prison for what the government describes as an act of domestic terror to overthrow the seat of government.
And they would laugh harder than anyone's ever laughed and they'd say, you're a nutjob.
The guys singing in the bar and marching around in polo shirts and doing, what are they saying, like Aladdin or something?
Proud of your boy or whatever it was?
hannah claire brimelow
That's their slogan.
tim pool
Seriously?
You're out of your mind.
Now look where we are.
jackson hinkle
There was one guy who didn't get charged who was in the Capitol that day and that was Sergei Debedin and he was actually a Ukrainian Azovite soldier who happened to find himself in the Capitol that day and some photos were uncovered of him this week by Laura Loomer and I find it crazy that you have Ukrainian spies that are in our Capitol Infiltrating our seat of government, and they're not charged, they're allowed to come to the US, they're allowed to go protest in Orlando this week with all those guys, they're allowed to go back to Ukraine, but then we have, you know, American citizens that weren't even there, and they're getting 20-year sentences.
tim pool
So this is interesting, Laura Loomer posted this.
She says, I have exclusively confirmed the FBI identified Ukrainian operatives and neo-Nazis who were at the U.S.
Capitol on January 6th and even questioned J-6ers about Ukrainian spies during interviews with the FBI.
The New York Times, actually, I'm sorry, this is Daily Dot, not the New York Times, said, why Ukraine is now being accused of secretly orchestrating the Capitol riot.
Can I just, I want to explain to you what they do.
It's one thing for Laura Loomer to be like, hey, look at this dude, who is a Ukrainian spy, who appears to have been at the Capitol.
Isn't that something crazy?
What do they say?
Ukraine is now being accused of orchestrating the Capitol riot, which is a MASSIVE leap from what Laura Loomer said.
This is how they try to debunk the narrative.
They create a conspiracy theory that no one brought up, and then claim it's obviously insane, right?
Yeah.
Here's the tweet from Laura Loomer.
She says, during the private interview with America Shaman, the FBI asked him how he knew a Ukrainian operative who took a photo with him the day of J6.
Chansley didn't know the guy.
And the FBI confirmed the Ukrainian Serguy... How do you pronounce his name?
jackson hinkle
Debenin?
tim pool
Debenin?
jackson hinkle
Something like that.
tim pool
There's three Y's.
jackson hinkle
Yeah, it's a lot.
tim pool
Uh, was a Ukrainian spy who was affiliated with the Nazi Azov Battalion.
This means the U.S.
capital was penetrated by Ukrainian spies.
Well, I don't know about spies, but at least a spy.
And the U.S.
government and FBI have still not arrested these people or made the public aware of the foreign penetration.
It's an act of war by Ukraine against the United States, and the U.S.
government has sent $200 billion to Ukraine in the last two years.
The CIA is funding a color revolution in the United States by Ukrainian Nazis and American Nazis who are being recruited by the CIA, etc, etc.
I do think a lot of this is a bit of a stretch.
I think there's a fair question of, this does look like the same guy.
Are we absolutely sure it is him?
jackson hinkle
Well, they said that the FBI and the CIA asked him about this guy being a Ukrainian.
tim pool
Right.
jackson hinkle
So, I mean, make of the, you know, extrapolation what you will, but the fact that this guy was in our capital when all these other people are being charged with insurrection, what do you call that?
I mean, that is, at its core, an act of war.
If there was Chinese spies doing that, we know what we would call that.
But because it's Ukraine and Ukraine is good, we have to just sit here and accept it?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he just wandered in.
He was a tourist.
He couldn't have been there for any other reason.
Nothing could be malicious.
I mean, this is the question about all of January 6th, which is like, we know the FBI had informants from Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or different groups.
We know that they had people on the ground that day.
We know that the mayor of D.C.
and Nancy Pelosi were offered to have additional security and support of the Capitol, and that was turned down.
So, if the government intelligence communities knew this could potentially happen and it was such a big deal, why didn't they stop it?
Why did they let it happen?
For me, that's just evidence that it wasn't.
I mean, one of my favorite lines from the opening statements for the Proud Boys trial was one of their lawyers, can't remember who at this moment, said, you know, she was reading these texts where these guys are saying, so what time should we meet up in the morning?
Where are you going to be?
Like, they didn't have a plan and she just said, this group couldn't organize a group order at McDonald's.
Like, they did not The plan and insurrection, they did not try to overthrow the US government.
But I think ultimately, that's the narrative that, you know, our intelligence community really needed to be the case.
That's why they didn't intervene when theoretically they should have if they knew it was going to happen.
tim pool
I do think things are gonna get a lot crazier in 2024.
I think it'll be more heavy-handed on the side of the left, seeing these far leftists be criminally charged with domestic terror in Rico.
Good, interesting.
They're criminals who stormed a government facility and firebombed buildings, houses, shot at cops.
Yeah, they need to be locked up.
The rioters in front of, at January 6th, who were smashing things and trying to break their way in.
Yeah, they should be criminally charged too, but that's what, 16 months for a violent riot and attacking cops?
Not 20 years?
The heavy-handedness is fairly obvious.
The fact that Enrique Tarrio, according to Defense, they said he wasn't even in contact with them that day.
They gave him 22 years.
You know what I'll tell you is really interesting about this is that apparently there was a statement released by... Tarrio gave a statement to the judge saying he regretted his actions.
Did you see this?
And that, you know, he was remorseful and he shouldn't have done it.
hannah claire brimelow
He said that he's not a political zealot and he didn't even know that you could change the results of an election.
tim pool
And that, you know, he shouldn't have compared people to founding fathers or anything like that.
I think, and then the judge apparently said he doesn't see any reason why Enrique would be remorseful over his actions or actually believe it.
Look, man.
It's gonna get crazier.
In 2024, it will get crazier.
We're already seeing a whole bunch of videos of people having their homes raided by feds.
Now.
In 2023, two and a half years later.
How many people were there at the Capitol?
We know that people who wandered in clueless, you know, a few hours after the start of everything, were criminally charged and sentenced to a year or more.
We know that the people who were storming the front and actually engaged in violence have been criminally charged, but there are hundreds more, maybe even a thousand more, who have not yet been charged, who were there, and we're starting to see these videos pop up.
It seems that they waited until the start of the election cycle.
Joe Biden just announced, I guess what he's doing, a $25 million ad buy for the next campaign around the exact same time.
The fads are starting to raid more people for January 6th.
And don't you forget it.
There were a lot of media personalities Social media figures who were cheering on what was going on outside of what Enrique Tarrio did.
If they're claiming, I'll tell you this you guys, if they're claiming Enrique Tarrio was organizing and inciting and encouraging it so that he gets 22 years, think about what's going to happen to the people who are on these alternative social media platforms with thousands of viewers and they were saying more, more, more.
Do you think that the fads are going to ignore that?
No, I think next they're gonna come for media personalities.
We know that James O'Keefe is being investigated in New York, not necessarily related to January 6th, but I think a large component of what they're doing is going to be the people on social media encouraging it, calling for more, and cheering people on.
They're gonna say we're part of a criminal conspiracy and they were inciting and they knew what they were doing, etc.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I mean, this case is precedent setting.
I mean, so Judge Kelly, who was overseeing this trial, said that he said this in all of the sentencings, but today he was specifically saying our country needs a peaceful transfer of power and you broke our tradition of the peaceful transfer of power.
And so he's basically saying These are the people that ruined democracy, which seems bizarre to me because it seems obvious that they did not actually have a plan to do anything.
Yes, they were going to a rally.
Yes, they were in D.C.
Yes, things got out of hand.
They might need to face some charges.
But the idea that it was a conspiracy seems weak anyways.
And in fact, we have had peaceful transfers of power since, right?
We had midterms elections.
Nobody rioted at the Capitol when Congress was sworn in for the newest term.
Like, It seems actually fine.
You want it to be that there is more tension.
That's my editorial take on it.
That there is a desire for there to be contention between different political factions and the only solution is we have to lock some of you up.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I mean, like I've been saying, if your politicians can only campaign on, vote for me and I will go after your enemies, then that just continues the escalation.
hannah claire brimelow
By the way, it's what I think Biden can only campaign on because we're about to have student loan debt repayments.
He couldn't get those wiped away.
We're about to have, I mean, inflation is not great.
We have tons of millennials who are saying, I would love to buy a home and I cannot.
Biden is not.
A healthy person.
Polls consistently show people think he is too old to run again.
He is the oldest sitting president in our nation's history.
I think he is actually very weak going into this campaign and that's why magically this timing all lines up where Trump's indictment, the Proud Boy results, I mean all of this is happening at once.
ian crossland
I got my bribe from the Biden administration over the weekend.
I got a letter that says they forgave $7,000 of student loan debt.
I didn't ask, I didn't sign up for it, I didn't want it, and they did it anyway.
Because it had been 21 years, the debt's older than 20 years, so they just wiped it off.
It's just such a bribe.
I mean, it's just disgusting.
unidentified
I thought there was programs like that that have existed for a while, for like a decade at least.
There's been programs to help people who are lower income or whatever the circumstances may be to help with student loans.
So that's like, I know that's been a big point of contention with people who are now finding fault with Biden's plan because they're like, there's programs to help us.
They already exist.
We're already doing handouts.
hannah claire brimelow
He just wants the feather in his cap.
He wants to say, I'm the president that did this.
ian crossland
Yeah, he wants the bribe.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about this next story from CNN.
Outside of the criminal charges and prosecutions we're seeing, there is another path
that Democrats may take to try and win in 2024, and that is mandates and lockdowns.
First, from CNN, First Lady Jill Biden tests positive for COVID-19.
And I have to wonder, why report this story?
Why did the White House think it necessary to tell the world?
They could have just done nothing.
They could have said, you know, Jill's taking a vacation.
No, they wanted the world to know that she is positive for COVID-19.
Well, a lot of people immediately speculated this is it.
It's how they reintroduce COVID politically at the start of the election cycle.
Guess what, everybody?
Joe Biden announced something like $25 million ad spend.
It is beginning.
You're going to start seeing all the news stories get planted.
You're going to see political contention.
You're going to see criminal charges.
You're going to see conspiracy theories.
You are going to see it all because after this, we got another story.
Biden tests negative for COVID, will wear mask when close to others, White House says, and thus begins the normalization of everyone wearing masks again.
Now, Joe Biden will be wearing masks in all of his videos.
We've already- all the videos that he's in, all the press statements and everything he gives.
You've already got schools and hospitals bringing back masks.
Now the president is doing it.
And lastly, Dr. Fauci, concerned people won't comply if masking recommendations return.
I hope they abide.
I love this story because Fauci was saying, the CDC doesn't mandate masks.
And what he said was, they recommend them.
It's actually the states or the private sector that mandate the masks.
So when we talk about mandates coming back, y'all need to understand it is going to be the chain store or restaurant that says, based on the recommendation by the CDC, you now must wear a mask when you come into our store.
That is how they will bring back mandates.
And they will say, it wasn't us who did it.
We didn't lock you down.
The stores are choosing to do it.
unidentified
Yep.
A keyword private sector, right?
The airlines are going to implement this when the government says, ooh, remember the last time we bailed you out?
Not going to happen again unless you make some changes to your policies.
So the private sector has their arms being bent by the Biden administration.
So that's their tool to, you know, enforce and get these things through to the general public.
tim pool
Tucker Carlson said he doesn't think that they're gonna do the mandates again.
But, uh, more and more evidence starting to pile up that they're gearing up for lockdowns now.
The other news, of course, ladies and gentlemen, this may come as a shock to many of you, Whoopi Goldberg was absent from The View.
That's right.
And, uh, because she tested positive for COVID.
jackson hinkle
There was a second one, too.
One of the other ones tested positive, apparently.
hannah claire brimelow
What if all The View ladies have to quarantine because they have COVID?
What do they do then?
tim pool
Let me, uh, let me play the video for you guys.
This is, uh, we have this from ALX on Twitter.
Listen to the reaction by the audience of The View when they get the news that Whoopi has COVID and Joy Behar claims it's back.
joy behar
As you can see, Whoopi is not here.
She has COVID.
Yes, it's back.
unidentified
It's back.
It's back.
joy behar
But she's on the mend.
She's on the tail end and she'll probably be back this week, but I'm sorry she's not here for those of you who are looking forward to seeing her.
tim pool
It's back.
ian crossland
They never left.
unidentified
It's endemic.
It's back.
They made a point of saying it was endemic, like it's here forever.
ian crossland
So, there it is.
tim pool
You know, I just feel like the culture war is divided amongst people who seek out information to challenge their views, for the most part, not always, and those who desperately don't want their views challenged at all, and just want to be told what to do.
The people who watch The View, They just want to be told what to do.
What to think, what to feel.
Just tell me when to jump.
I don't know.
I want to fit in.
It'll be easy.
And then everyone else is like, let me figure it out for myself.
jackson hinkle
You brought up the point from Tucker Carlson that he does not believe that mandates are going to come back.
He did say that he'd be willing to bet his house that we're going to enter a hot war with Russia and that Biden's going to use that as footing for the election to manipulate control.
However, you know, they see best fit, but I'd rather have this.
I don't, I don't want to have anything, but I'd rather have this than hot war with Russia.
tim pool
I think both might be true.
jackson hinkle
Yeah, could be.
tim pool
I mean, if we get involved in hot war with Russia, hold on, let's slow down.
Even Tucker did say, we are at war with Russia, that we understand, but like a formal, actual
confrontation, you know, full scale or whatever, if that is to happen, that's what they'll
do to try and win, yes.
And if that does happen where Biden comes out, there's going to have to be some kind
of attack on America.
It's going to have to be whatever may be a legitimate, maybe a false flag.
I'm just saying, before the U.S.
can actually formally engage in any way, I'm not saying formally declare, but engage, there's got to be some public support that results in a lockdown.
They will have to control things with an iron fist in this country if they're going to engage in direct conflict with Russia.
jackson hinkle
But I don't know if they can.
I mean, if that was an audience of just average Americans, when the ginger lady, when she said, you know, it's back, you would have heard average Americans laugh.
That's what you would have heard.
That's not your average American right there.
So how do you impose that if most of America is not on board?
tim pool
I guess it's a question of, will enough people just ignore it, or not?
Is Fauci, are his fears correct?
That people will not comply?
Look, I gotta tell you, out in West Virginia, that's just not gonna work.
You're not gonna get it.
It's not gonna happen.
They can try.
In Maryland, yeah, in Maryland it'll definitely happen.
Because the people in Maryland, it really is interesting, this divide.
There are a lot of people in Western Maryland who are, you know, it's MAGA country, but then you go to the businesses and they are on their knees begging, begging the government to tell them what to do.
And it's just like, weird.
You cross that river and then they're just like, we don't care what you do.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just very different cultures that live next door to each other.
tim pool
Perhaps it's because, you know, Baltimore, more resources, more money, more likely to be enforced.
People are terrified.
West Virginia, you're not really going to see heavy enforcement.
So people just do whatever they want and say, I don't care.
Do something.
When we when during the lockdowns and the mandates.
I went to Maryland's Panhandle.
There was a bar in the middle of nowhere, and they had a sign on the door being like, you know, masks are required as per state, like regulation or whatever.
And then you walk in, no one's wearing a mask.
And the bartender's just like, washing a mug, and he's like, looking left and right, like, you know, shrugging, like, whatever, dude.
Nobody cares.
But the closer you get to DC, the more the businesses are terrified, screaming at you and kicking you out.
I think it happens.
hannah claire brimelow
I liked the conservative boomers during the mask mandate period, because I knew so many who would wear, like, a mask off their ear and be like, they should have had to wear it, but they don't want to.
Like, there was this funny resistance around, there were certain people who complied, they wanted you to wear four masks, and then there were other people who were like, This is dumb and I don't want to be doing it.
And how effective can these masks really be?
I think some of the issue will come down to the state governors.
I think we, I mean, one of the reasons we all know Ron DeSantis's name is because he was like, yeah, we're not doing this.
And he deserves a lot of credit for that.
I think this time around, if there were to be some sort of pressure for mandates, there would be a lot of governors who now see that if they say no, they are putting themselves in favor of the majority of their constituents.
jackson hinkle
It's all about the vision, you know, in the lead up to, uh, you know, 2020, East Tennessee did not look like Portland, you know, there was not the same protest there and it's all about the vision and this time they're probably going to have some sort of a lockdown or mandate or whatever, but it's going to be by area to create the vision and just cause unrest and chaos right before the election again.
hannah claire brimelow
I'd love to see the inter-US migration change too, like if there is a second lockdown.
That was one of the biggest trends.
I mean, U-Haul was constantly reporting this, that the places people were leaving were places that were more interested in enforcing mandates.
I mean, this could be a way that especially rural states see a population boom that they are not expected to get.
unidentified
But it's very hard with the economy the way it is and these interest rates.
How are you supposed to leave right now?
hannah claire brimelow
I'm not saying it's easy.
I'm just saying there are people who will be like, I'm not doing this again.
This is worth the investment to do.
unidentified
Well, I think it was very easy to say that the first time around with the housing market just being an absolute boom.
Now, it's much harder.
I shouldn't say it's very hard.
Everyone's got different circumstance, but it's a lot harder than to just be like, all right, here we go to West Virginia.
A lot of people are gonna be stuck.
tim pool
We saw a lot of people leave places like California and New York and Illinois and go to Texas and Florida.
I'm wondering how that affects their state.
These states are not swing states by any stretch of the imagination.
Texas was turning purple, now it's red.
Florida, the same thing.
New York, Illinois, and California were never going to be red.
So these moves they're making are actually helping Donald Trump.
And Trump only lost 20-20 by 42,000 votes between three states.
If more people start moving to, I don't know, Wisconsin, Georgia, or what's it, what's the other, what's the third state, Arizona?
Arizona.
I don't see how Trump loses.
I mean, look, Californians are moving to Arizona.
And these are more moderate to left-leaning people who are fleeing their own policies, and they're gonna bring it to Arizona, and they're gonna vote to make things worse.
Wisconsin, I'm wondering, are people from Chicago leaving and then going to Wisconsin and voting for the same thing?
There was that famous tweet where the guy was like, I'm leaving, finally, I'm leaving California, it's bad, I'm going to Florida.
And then people were like, you're going to Florida, but Ron DeSantis is bad, and they're like, oh, don't worry, I'll keep voting the same way.
It's like, oh, okay, and then you're gonna turn Florida into California.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Thanks so much for your support.
ian crossland
When it comes to these talk of government mandates, I feel like this is, once a body develops an immune response to a virus, it just is totally ready for that virus the next time it comes around.
And this mind virus of, everybody get ready to be afraid, get ready to hide in your house from this invisible thing.
Like, people are immune.
It doesn't mean that we're impervious to it, but people are done with it.
They're done with the bullshit.
They're done with being told what to do.
They're done with fucking sitting in their house, being told they can't go outside.
They've had it.
This society is resilient.
tim pool
I'm not convinced.
I witnessed it when I would go to D.C.
or Frederick in Maryland, and you would see these businesses drop to their knees in two seconds.
Perhaps the people who moved feel the way you're describing it, Ian, but now those people are in Florida, and they're in Texas, and they're in West Virginia.
The people who stayed are going to do the exact same thing.
Govern me harder, daddy!
ian crossland
I was very positively influenced by being at the airport and seeing how few people actually had masks a couple weeks ago.
tim pool
Yes, but there's no mandates at the airport.
ian crossland
There's like six people.
tim pool
There's no mandates.
jackson hinkle
I was at the Library of Congress today and they have the big rotunda where, you know, only researchers are allowed.
No one's really allowed in there with all the books and documents and stuff.
There was only three people in that massive area.
These are supposed to be like smart, intelligent Ivy League people that get to go into that room.
Two out of the three had masks on.
unidentified
So bizarre.
jackson hinkle
It's insane.
Every one of those people in the view, they're saying, oh no, the mandate's coming back, COVID's coming back.
But I guarantee you, they went home and started to pull up recipes for, you know, homemade, you know, loaves of bread again, as they're waving their Ukraine flags.
It's like, these people are happy.
They want to see it happen because they love the control.
ian crossland
People that are really intelligent but very low wisdom.
They're very good at being told what to do and immediately doing what they're told and mimicking and remembering and then, you know, playing back.
I'm very good at this.
See, now reward me.
I'm very good at doing what I'm told.
That's the danger of intelligence.
tim pool
Dude, people love ratting on their neighbors.
People in these cities are going to be vile, they're going to join the mob, and if the mob says mask, they're going to say mask, and then they're going to celebrate anybody who's dying who doesn't.
ian crossland
It's tough to make this conversation from the top, I mean just the top down, like talk about other people.
Because I think people, my guess is that if anyone feels as remotely as fed up with it as I do, that there's no way in hell this is going to get off the ground again.
I barely had to touch the masks the last three years.
tim pool
People didn't like it in the first place.
ian crossland
But they thought they were doing good in the first place, and now they know they weren't.
hannah claire brimelow
And there was fear.
I mean, people were told, if you come anywhere near your grandmother, she'll immediately die.
There was an insane amount of information.
tim pool
It's not even that.
It's that the government came and issued fines and arrested people.
A woman who was selling her Products from her store, on the internet, on Facebook had the cops show up and threaten her with charges unless she stopped doing Facebook Live.
The reason these people cave and gave up is not because all of them are celebrating, it's because these cops are going to come and they're going to beat the crap out of you.
There's a salon, how many salon owners, like two or three got arrested?
A guy giving haircuts in Michigan got arrested?
A woman in, what was it?
She fled Minnesota to Iowa, and then the sheriff tracked her down and arrested her because she opened her coffee shop during lockdowns.
There will be some people, but that terrifies people.
So you go to these big cities where it takes one guy to destroy your life by destroying your business, and these people will drop to their knees in two seconds and say, we will do whatever you say, government.
ian crossland
Except the government really fucked up last time.
The cops going in there.
It pisses me off so much, dude.
tim pool
I get it, man.
ian crossland
The cops would go in there and be like, you can't open your business.
People would be like, yeah, I can.
And they'd be like, no, in fact, we're doing what's good for you.
We're shutting your business down.
The person's like, no, I'm out of money.
The cop's like, good, we've done our job.
You can't do that to someone twice.
You cannot.
You've already shocked everybody awake.
unidentified
Yeah, but the cops either quit or fired the ones that were on the side of freedom, I'll say, right?
I mean, we had mandates not just to wear masks, but also to get the vaccine.
So it's like a lot of people said no, and they lost their job over it.
Those cops are gone.
We don't have them.
The cops that are still employed are ones that are just doing it for a paycheck or said, yes, government, I'll do whatever you want.
tim pool
Look at these videos of how they arrest these J6ers.
It's like there's some, just like a dude, there's like a video of a guy going to a grocery store or something, and they run up with like rifles pointed at him.
Like, dude, these are drone Gestapo morons working for these agencies.
They don't care, they don't know, it feels good to be in charge of you.
It feels good to them.
I mean, these are people who are not satisfied by their own accomplishments.
They're satisfied by feeling like they can do whatever they want to you.
So what ends up happening is you get a small business, and they might say something to you like, I really hate it, but I have no choice.
They're gonna fine me.
That's what everyone kept saying.
And I see this now.
We talk about it quite a bit.
James O'Keefe had a really great tweet, and he posted it on Instagram, and he said, you are responsible.
For whatever life your children inherit, that all of these people who are saying, I can't stand up for what I believe in because I have kids and they're putting my kids at risk, then you are directly responsible for what the lives your children inherit.
When they are living under the boot of communists who are laughing at them, the party members who get special favors or food, it's going to be because You, you allow this by saying, you know, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just comply.
I'll just, I'll just give in.
I'm not saying I have all the answers.
I think typically...
You know, I think come 2024, the reason we're seeing a lot of this extreme action is because if Donald Trump's right, as of right now, if the election were held today, Trump wins.
That's what the polls are saying right now.
That's what the analytics are saying.
That's what the forecast models are saying.
It doesn't mean he does win.
but that's why you're seeing the machine of the democrats panic and need something
to force people into fear
i guess more extreme action when i look at these videos of the jay sixers being
having the feds come up and point guns at them, i'm like they're hoping for some kind of
reaction from from these people don't give it to them
all you gotta do is just make money
succeed push back and resist where you can
and then make sure you're spreading the word as much as possible
There are a lot of people who are like, there's this weird game where they're saying, Tim's saying not to do anything.
No, I'm quite literally saying, resist where possible, succeed, make money, build influence, build culture, and then come 2024, get everyone you can to vote in overwhelming numbers.
Trump only needs 42,000 votes, and Biden's gonna lose a lot more than that.
That's not a guarantee that Trump fixes anything.
It's not a guarantee that Trump actually comes and saves the day at all, but it is a start.
I think that's what they fear.
That's why they want a reaction, and you can't give it to them.
ian crossland
Yeah, we gotta govern ourselves outside of politics, that's for sure.
unidentified
Ian, I got a question.
If you've been traveling a lot all over the country recently with, you know, let's say for this year so far in 2023, what happens if they start bringing, you know, they bring back mask mandates for trains and planes?
What, I'm curious to how you'd handle it because it would derail your life or you'd have to comply.
ian crossland
Well, I try not to answer questions with premises I don't agree with, and I feel like accepting the premise that there's going to be a shutdown just makes it more likely.
tim pool
Well, a shutdown is different from mask mandates.
ian crossland
I'd just stop flying.
I'm about ready to stop traveling anyway, but yeah, I'll just completely stop.
Or fly private only.
tim pool
You know, a lockdown, a COVID lockdown, is very different from mask mandates.
The mask mandates seem very likely.
There are still businesses all over Maryland with signs saying you must wear masks.
hannah claire brimelow
And those colleges in Atlanta were like, please put a mask on.
I mean, some institutions are already rolling it out in some capacity.
So it doesn't seem impossible that it'll spread.
I just think it'll be very regional.
I think that there will be, you know, certain sectors of the country that say yes and certain that say no.
And, you know, I hope that everyone gets to live in a community that reflects their values.
And I think Tim's totally right.
It's sort of like testing the boundaries.
There's going to be a push to see what you will be okay with.
And what your reaction would be, and you have to just stay in control as much as possible.
tim pool
It'll be interesting, because I think if Biden already saying he's wearing masks, it does please a lot of partisan liberal types, but it will push away moderates and independents.
So in that regard, I don't know how this plan is ultimately going to help them unless they're using it to ramp up some kind of new, expansive voting policy for 2024.
It is kind of late, though.
We're a few months away from 2024, and the election cycle's already begun, so any rule changes will have to come really quick.
jackson hinkle
They can do it quick.
New Zealand, Australia, whatever, they had those COVID camps, blink of an eye.
You know, things could change very quickly.
tim pool
I want to jump to this next story from Newsweek.
Russians start a hot war with Russia.
I think it's fair.
Tucker does mention this.
We're at war with Russia.
And anybody saying otherwise is lying.
unidentified
U.S.
tim pool
personnel are on the ground.
Volunteers.
They're using U.S.
equipment.
They're trained by NATO.
They're trained by the U.S.
They're provided intelligence by the U.S.
Missiles by the U.S.
The U.K.
is sending depleted uranium tank busters.
Yeah.
It is NATO versus Russia.
It's a proxy war.
Well, now we have this story.
This could be Newsweek and Western media trying to ramp up fear that there is a reason to go to war with Russia.
I'll give you the long story short of it.
You have this guy.
It's Korchenko, right?
Yes.
Editor of the newspaper National Defense.
He basically said, Russia is being warned and threatened that if we misbehave, or if, you know, Ben Hodge's opinion, we exceed what he considers to be the necessary permissible lines, for the use of all types of Russian weapons, he threatens us with more than just strikes on the Crimean bridge.
He responds by basically saying, if you engage in war with us, we will not go to war with the US in Europe.
We will go to war with the U.S.
on U.S.
territory.
This is in response to your attacks on Russian military or civilian facilities.
The first strike will be a preventative limited strike against targets on the territory of the United States of America.
I think it's BS.
They point out in Newsweek and a couple other outlets the most effective way to use nuclear weapons by the Russians is to claim they have them and that's it.
But it makes no sense to target US civilian territorial targets because all that would do is make their position in Eastern Europe worse.
jackson hinkle
I agree.
Russia has no reason to do this.
This is some random guy that goes on Russian state TV, maybe he's looking for a better paying job and he's trying to come out and say it, but the fact of the matter is Russia controls 87,000 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory.
The, you know, the ratio of Russian troops to Ukrainian troops loss is insane.
Ukraine's lost 400,000 plus men, Russia maybe 150,000.
They have no reason to do something as extreme as this and that really wouldn't be in Putin's, you know, line of governance either.
tim pool
Let's make all of the corporate media outlets happy and give them an article to write about.
What's the likelihood you think that the U.S.
would engage in a false flag to justify expanding the war in Ukraine?
jackson hinkle
I think they already did.
I mean, that was 2014 when the Maidan massacre took place.
The Western press all said it was a bunch of, you know, Ukrainian government, Yanukovych-aligned individuals that rained down with sniper fire on the protesters in Maidan Square.
Twelve years later, we learned that it was actually Georgian Legion snipers that were out there.
tim pool
Nine years.
jackson hinkle
Nine years.
tim pool
Nine years later. 2014.
jackson hinkle
Nine years later, it was Georgian snipers that were out there at the behest of the Ukrainian, now new Ukrainian government, you know?
tim pool
We know that for sure, I've not heard that.
jackson hinkle
Yeah.
Canadian researcher, look him up, he did the study.
It was Georgian snipers that did it.
Also, in Oliver Stone's documentary, he touched on that subject.
The snipers were firing from the buildings around Maidan Square that were controlled by the Ace of Aligned individuals within the Grab for Power.
tim pool
So, here's all I can say as to that claim.
Western media outlets say that it's propaganda issued by Russia, and Russian outlets say it's confirmed.
So, this is war.
It's war.
jackson hinkle
People will die.
tim pool
Yeah, but just like the idea that, I will say, it's not above Any warring nation to engage in a false flag, especially as it pertains to overthrowing a government.
The U.S.
is going to claim, and Western powers are going to claim, this is what the Russian-aligned government was doing, and Russia's going to claim it was Western forces trying to overthrow the government and stall their puppet.
jackson hinkle
And then also, I mean, look at this.
You have the, uh, you know, I won't give my full opinion on YouTube, but you have the Nord Stream Pipeline incident and you had everyone in the West who's saying that was Russia.
It was definitely Russia.
And I think everyone knows who it really was.
You can look at the, uh, the Kremlin drone attack.
They were saying that was a false flag by Russia.
Then we turn to find out that the Ukrainian government put a postage stamp out celebrating a Ukrainian soldier flying the drone over the Kremlin and bombing it.
I mean, the list goes on and on.
I'm sure Russia, maybe they, This is war.
False flags happen, but... Absolutely, and let's clarify.
tim pool
We have this from the Washington Post.
U.S.
had intelligence of detailed Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream pipeline.
The CIA learned last June via a European spy agency that a six-person team of Ukrainian special operations forces intended to sabotage the Russian-to-Germany natural gas project.
They claimed, over and over and over again, that Russia did it.
They even speculated that Russia could have dropped a bomb through the pipeline, so when it got to that point, it blew up, which makes literally no sense!
Russia, Vladimir Putin being like, I have the perfect way to defeat my enemies.
I'll blow up my own oil pipeline.
What?
hannah claire brimelow
Didn't make any sense.
And yet this was the all of the Western media was like, that's the only explanation Russia must have done it.
And then slowly it sort of sort of came out that, oh, actually, that's this thing that seems improbable is actually probably not true.
jackson hinkle
Yeah, it was a, you know, it was what it was, whoever did it.
I mean, that's the CIA Washington Post saying it was Ukraine who did it.
Seymour Hersh has other ideas, you know, Biden administration.
But at its core, what happened with that?
I mean, it was an escalation of war.
It prevented Germany from being able to negotiate with the Russians by turning the taps back on for the Nord Stream pipeline.
And it made a real big issue for Europe.
They had to buy Russian liquefied natural gas.
They bought 40% more liquefied natural gas from Russia in the EU over the past year.
So, I mean, it just caused prices to go up.
You have the German economy, you have the French economy, you have the Italian economy that are all in shambles right now.
Europe is in an inflationary crisis.
They're about to be in a recession.
Germany's already in a recession.
I mean, it's quite clear what's happening.
tim pool
What do you think is the ideal circumstance right now related to the war in Ukraine?
jackson hinkle
Like a peace deal.
tim pool
Resolution, yeah.
But what is it?
jackson hinkle
Well, I think if you listen to Putin, which no one in the Western press and Western governments, they try not to, you know, I think he's quite clear about the fact that this 87,000 square kilometers of territory they've already taken is formally now part of the Russian Federation and it should be respected as such.
The former French president has come out last week and said that, you know, there should be formal referendums in these regions to actually decide whether or not they want to join Russia.
We've already seen these elections, though, and they weren't internationally regulated, but these people said they wanted to join the Russian Federation.
And I think Russia is not going to stop and try for a peace deal again until they get Nikolaev and Odessa, which will landlock Ukraine, and also get the Kharkov region in the northeast.
I think once they get that, maybe they'll try to push for peace proposals again.
But until then, I mean, It's going to be the same old, same old.
People, unfortunately, are going to die because no one in the West is serious about pushing for peace.
hannah claire brimelow
Can I ask, what are the major differences between Soviet Union and modern day Russia?
jackson hinkle
Well, the main differences, I think, I don't know, I think the Soviet Union was a pretty base, but I think that the Russian economy today, if you look at the economy, if you talk about that, what is the basis of the Russian economy?
Well, you know, Soviet Union at its start, the country was at its knees, you had basically a feudal society, and the Soviet Union took it from its knees to a war superpower, won the Second World War at the cost of 27 million people, but it also centralized the important sectors of government.
And we're seeing that in Russia today.
Instead of in the United States where we have all these rapacious private companies that are hoarding our resources, hoarding our oil, hoarding our gas, hoarding our coal, whatever, in Russia they have it under a public structure.
It's under the government.
And they can actually utilize these systems to benefit the people and negotiate with other countries like BRICS partners in terms that are going to be beneficial to the Russian economy and the central bank.
And that's what's happening with BRICS.
tim pool
Wow!
This matters a lot.
Take a look at this from the BBC.
Russian military control.
Look at this!
They have going all the way down to Kursan, nearly to Odessa.
All of Crimea and everything is under Russian military control.
We keep getting told, or we've been told over and over again that the Ukrainians are pushing back, but it really feels like what they're doing is, for every ten conflicts that arise, let's say ten battles, Ukraine wins one, that gets reported in the press.
And so everything we hear is like, their counter-offensive is working, they're gaining ground.
This is crazy.
To anybody who's been keeping track of this, I mean, look, Russia's basically won.
They've taken the Donbass, they've taken the land bridge to Crimea, they've got it.
And it's not over yet?
jackson hinkle
And not just that, but the cities that Ukraine is taking, if you look at the pre-war populations for these cities, it's like 50 homes, 400 people, maybe a few farms, it's nothing.
In this big counter-offensive that we put all this money to, Ukraine hasn't even reached the first line of Russian defense fortifications.
They have three lines of defense fortifications that they've been building up since last November.
Behind those three lines, they have tens of thousands of reservists.
And then back in Russia, they have even more reservist soldiers than Russian soldiers in the whole of Ukraine right now.
So, it's only going to go in one way.
It's going to go, I guess, two ways maybe.
However, Russia wants this to end.
or mutually assured destruction.
unidentified
Whatever happened with the Bakhmut situation, because I know that just was in the news for
the Ukraine war for a while, and now Prygosian, which I'm also curious to your thoughts about
how that's all played out.
What's the deal with Bakhmut?
Because I feel like we've almost seen a stalemate.
There's been no progress either way.
At least someone from, as a casual observer of what's been happening in the war.
So yeah, I'm curious to your thoughts.
jackson hinkle
Wagner, under the leadership of Purgosian, so when he was still alive, you know, months ago, they fully liberated the city.
They took it 100%, so none of it remains in Ukrainian control.
There's still some firefighting on, like, the flanks, the outside regions of Bakhmut or Artimovsk.
Basically, what's going to happen over the next several months is the Russians are about to start an offensive of their own because they defeated the counteroffensive from Ukraine.
They're going to focus on the flanks of Bakhmut.
They're going to focus on maybe Kherson, and they're definitely going to focus on taking back the whole strip of land in the northeast, the Kharkiv region.
They're going to probably take all of that back.
And then we'll have some down period and then next spring is when you're going to have the large blowout of the Russian soldiers pushing in the south all the way through Kherson to Odessa.
They're going to completely landlock it and take all of that.
tim pool
Okay.
It's kind of crazy to see, you know, because I've not been actively tracking the maps of control, but they kept saying that Ukraine's winning, Russia's losing, they're on the verge of defeat.
They kept saying that Russia's suffering massive casualties, and now, like, let's operate under the assumption that the reporting about massive Russian casualties was correct and Ukraine was winning.
How does Russia now have total military control of the land bridge to Crimea, and then some?
jackson hinkle
And it's not like this is, you know, under contest.
In Mariupol, Russia's already gone in, they've built new schools, new grocery stores, new hospitals, they've built free apartments for the people there.
They're happy, you know, and the numbers are lies, as I'm sure we can all assume.
They lie about everything in the mainstream press.
I mean, Ukraine's like a generation of men.
400,000 men.
Russia's got four times the population of Ukraine.
How could anyone ever expect that Ukraine was going to win?
tim pool
I saw a meme that could be propaganda, who knows, and it was a 4chan green text where it was a Ukrainian dude and he was like, you know, one year ago, I'm engaged, about to get married, I'm working at my job, making an okay wage, everything's fine.
He's like, today, log on to social media and see my fiancé dancing in a slutty dress in Germany having a party at a rave, and I just got my draft papers, I'm gonna be sent to the front lines where I'll probably die, why is my life like this?
Yeah, the people there, I mean, I gotta be honest, the people I knew fled.
The people that I knew from Ukraine aren't there anymore.
And they're posting pictures on the beach and other places, and I'm just like, what is...
Russia's moving in.
They're taking.
And I'm just seeing the media lie about what's going on every step of the way.
How do we end this and just say enough?
Because at this point, I don't see an argument based on this map for Russia gives up territory at one in a military conflict.
You lost.
Perhaps a peace deal could have happened a long time ago before Boris Johnson destroyed it.
And then you could have actually preserved some of this land under Ukrainian control or prevented the death of people and ceded it in the first place.
I don't see how this ends well for the rest of Ukraine or for NATO.
I do honestly think that if US interests and NATO refuse to let go of this, it's going to escalate into a more direct conflict.
jackson hinkle
I think it depends on who gets elected.
Trump said, he sounds insane when he says, I'm going to end the war in 24 hours, right?
tim pool
I believe it.
jackson hinkle
Yeah, of course we believe it because if you withhold funding for Ukraine, Their government collapses in hours!
Their government employees, their soldiers, their pensions, their firefighters, their police, the corrupt people, you know, stripping people off the streets to go on the front, they're all funded by the U.S.
taxpayer.
So they collapse within hours if we stop.
And Trump said he's going to put a peace deal forward if Ukraine doesn't like it.
That's the end.
tim pool
I think that the moment they announced Trump as the projected winner, Russia immediately says ceasefire because we know what happens when Trump comes in and we want good faith efforts to put an end to this.
And I think Ukraine agrees knowing their funding is about to end and it's time to find a safe way to retreat.
Donald Trump gets on the phone.
I bet the moment Trump wins, he's on the phone saying, once I'm officially in and hands on the Bible, this is done.
You know, I bet they'll try and get him on the Logan Act or something before he's brought into office.
They'll try and stop it.
But I think the moment Trump is in office, he gets on the phone and says, there's no more war.
We're negotiating tonight.
I'm flying out.
He flies out.
It's over.
Like you said, the US cuts off funding to Ukraine.
There's no war anymore.
jackson hinkle
Yeah.
Either that or it continues to escalate, as you said.
I mean, the Russians, there are 27 million people serious protecting their civilization.
That's how many they roughly lost in World War II.
And they see this as a similar threat.
So, They've lost 100,000 men so far?
Who cares?
I mean, that's sad, that's terrible, but they're willing to go a lot further to protect their country, their civilization, and their land than 100,000 men.
hannah claire brimelow
And they have the population and resources to commit to that.
tim pool
So we've heard, what we've heard from the press, the corporate press in the United States, is that Vladimir Putin's evil, and he's like Hitler, he wants to steal land.
That seems a bit one-dimensional.
Even if that is the case, and you genuinely believe Putin is just evil and says, now's my chance to steal land, there is a goal to the land they're taking and a strategic value to what they're doing.
We don't hear it that often in the general messaging from the press.
Much like with the war in Iraq, they hate us for our freedoms!
Which was completely meaningless to people who paid attention, but sure, worked for those who didn't.
I'm curious, from your point of view, why did Russia invade, and what is their goal, and what are they ultimately hoping to achieve now?
jackson hinkle
Put it as quickly as possible, Ukraine is not a sovereign country.
It's just not a real country anymore.
It wasn't since the U.S.
came in and toppled their government in 2014.
You have a sovereign government topple your country, do away with any form of, you know, elected representation, say this guy's leading your country now, if you don't like it, you know, they're gonna stick these Azovite or right sector thugs on you in the Donbass.
They killed 15,000 individuals in the fighting, many of whom were civilians in the Donbass from 2014 when the coup took place in 2022.
The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the second largest party in Russia.
They were begging Putin to go in and save these people in the Donbass for the past eight years.
They were saying, you're insane, why are you doing anything?
Why are you withholding energy to Ukraine?
Why are you doing something?
So they were very critical.
The other fact here is that In 1991, Secretary of State James Baker said NATO is not going to extend one inch east pass of Germany.
They violated that promise I think like 16 or 18 times now.
They got all the way to Ukraine.
That was the red line.
Boom.
I mean, that's that.
And the violence didn't stop.
The escalation continued up until the week in which this war started.
Again, I don't think this war started on February 24, 2022.
I think it started back in 2014 when a foreign government came in, seized power and started to commit violence against any dissidents in the state of Ukraine.
ian crossland
But is that, do you think that the goal of Russia is to oust the Ukrainian government and to establish like a legitimate government?
Or is it actually to control the land into Crimea?
That's what it strikes me that that's what they're looking to get.
jackson hinkle
I think multiple things can be true at once. You can also acknowledge that the land that
Russia sees, it's resource rich. That's 12.4 million or 12.4 trillion dollars in resources
in that 87,000 square kilometers. So multiple things can be true at once. But yeah, I think
the end goal here is to have a government in Kiev that is not backing Nazi thugs that are killing
And I think Yanukovych was a guy who was couped.
He wasn't explicitly pro-Russian, but he was also looking at EU contracts, doing deals with the EU and integration with the EU.
I think Russia just wants someone that's going to be fair in there, but if it comes to force and forcibly putting someone in, I think we can all assume it's going to be someone who is going to be pro-Russian.
ian crossland
Do they ever talk publicly about their war goal, the Russian Federation?
jackson hinkle
Of course.
ian crossland
What is their stated goal?
jackson hinkle
Uh, stated goal is denazification of Ukraine, uh, do away with all these, you know, these Nazi battalions, Nazi political parties.
From 2014 to 2018, there was a good deal of Nazis within the Ukrainian government.
2018 onward, it wasn't the case.
But the chair of the Verkhovna Rada in Ukraine from 2014 to 2018, uh, he was a self, I mean, self-described Nazi.
This guy said, well, I don't know if I should say that here.
I'm not going to say it, but you can look it up online for yourself.
These are people who really profess these views.
You see the videos that Laura Loomer posted in Orlando this week of these guys with swastika chains and they're saying, you know, we support Joe Biden because he's sending rockets to the Ukrainians.
These are the guys that are fighting over there.
These are guys in government in the Verkhovna Rada and they're trying to strip the Russians of their ability to speak Russian in Russia.
All that stuff, right?
So denazification, demilitarization is the other goal, stated goal of the Russians.
That's just simply dealing with NATO and saying you can't come over here.
You can't put nukes right on our border with they're going to be so close.
You know, they said that the U.S.
said that during the Cuban Missile Crisis that the nukes in Cuba or the missiles in Cuba, that was, you know, a threat.
Those were putting missiles right in our backyard.
Well, I mean, like, if you look at Ukraine, there, how close they are to Russia, I mean, it's right on the border and you're gonna put nukes there.
That's basically putting nukes in someone's living room.
tim pool
How do you think this ends?
jackson hinkle
However Russia wants it to end.
tim pool
Based on, well, so what does that mean?
Does that mean Russia takes all of Ukraine?
jackson hinkle
I think if the warmongers keep doing what they're doing, you're going to have Poland, because they're building up Poland as an economic power.
They're trying to topple Germany, France, Italy.
They're restructuring the EU.
Poland's going to move into Western Ukraine, Lviv, with the consent of the US and the deep state.
Russia will take, again if this happens, Russia will take everything including Kiev.
And, um, you know, Kevin Russo used to be Russian.
tim pool
Yeah.
jackson hinkle
So, it could happen.
tim pool
Right on.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, let's, uh... Look, I was just gonna ask where Zelensky goes, but we can move on.
tim pool
Ah, I mean, a prison?
I'm imagining?
hannah claire brimelow
We take him as a refugee?
Because he's on this, like, PR tour, you know?
ian crossland
Hollywood.
He's an actor.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Sure.
Well, let's jump to this next story with a hard segue.
Axios reports Elon Musk threatens to sue the ADL after blaming it for ex-ad sales slump.
The long story short is that he said that, uh, ad revenue is still down by 60% primarily due to pressure on advertisers by the Anti-Defamation League.
That's what advertisers tell us.
So now he's talking about potentially suing the ADL.
And this is big.
Part of this, Elon Musk has said there will be a data dump on all communications between the ADL and Twitter before he took over.
Holy crap.
If there are people who ran businesses on Twitter, who use Twitter for a marketing tool
or for awareness building, whatever, that's real monetary value.
And if the ADL contacted Twitter to have them banned, I'd argue there's a very strong, tortious
interference claim.
And if Elon Musk releases all the communications the ADL had with Twitter, the ADL thought
We talk to Twitter, we tell them, hey, this person should be banned.
Twitter says, okay, they get banned.
ADL is not scared that Twitter would ever leak those communications.
Elon Musk buys Twitter, and now he can open the floodgates.
If he releases these communications, the ADL could be sued into oblivion by every account.
Your username could have been MAGATRUMPFORLIFE773 whatever, with underscore seven.
And your avatar was just a cartoon of Trump.
They go to Twitter and say, ban this person, and you can argue they're interfering, they're defaming me, and they're interfering in my agreement that I have with Twitter that I'm using for my business or whatever it may be.
Now, that may be a bit of a stretch, but there are a lot of accounts that had 100,000 followers that made money on the platform.
Either selling t-shirts or doing streams or collecting donations, and their business was destroyed by the ADL interfering in the existing agreement they had with Twitter.
In fact, if you look at Alex Berenson, this one's really interesting.
Not that the ADA comes into play a role here, this is the government, but this is a guy who has, I don't know if at the time he had a Substack, but presumably you're selling subscriptions on Substack.
The government comes in and says, ban this guy, even though he didn't break any rules.
So what happens?
He files a lawsuit.
He wins.
His account gets reinstated.
Imagine all of the accounts targeted by the ADL who did not break the rules but got taken down because the ADL threatened to lie about Twitter and claim they were sowing hate or whatever.
Elon Musk's about to open the floodgates again.
This could be really, really big.
hannah claire brimelow
I hope he does sue.
I think that's one of the best things that could happen.
I think one of the, uh, one of the kryptonites of the American social media general culture is that there are people who can say, this person is bad and you should never speak to them, you should never have them on your platform, and that can have a rippling effect.
I mean, maybe it's anonymous account, but maybe it's just someone who posts under their real name, the ADL.
Which has its own political bias, doesn't like them.
Well, if you're banned from Twitter, what stops you from being banned from PayPal, from MailChimp, from all of these other organizations that say, well, we heard that you were bad.
We heard that you're not, we're not allowed to support you.
I mean, there is a really serious ripple effect that damages free speech in this culture, and the ADL has been at the center of it for a long time.
ian crossland
I love the idea that the ADL, Anti-Defamation League, could get sued for defamation.
tim pool
Yeah, so people are calling them the Defamation League.
But they've been sued, I guess, for defamation before.
20-some-odd years ago they had to pay out a fine.
I don't know exactly what happened with that.
But this is a key component to the narrative manipulation in this country.
Organizations like the ADL and the SPLC lie.
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie all the time.
And, um, that's a fact.
Southern Poverty Law Center has had to apologize.
The ADL has also had to apologize for putting out false information.
But this is what they do.
The example I gave earlier is that there's this group called the Election Integrity Partnership that accused me of being a super spreader of fake news and this is why I use NewsGuard.
Because now my response to them is just, oh I don't know, take a look at NewsGuard who certified everything you said was fake news and then ask them why they claimed it was legitimate news.
Don't look at me.
All I can do is use NewsGuard.
But the game they play is They never exactly said what fake news it was I was spreading.
The ADL will accuse you behind the scenes.
You won't even know about it.
And then the news reports come out saying you did thing or were accused of it.
They'll come out and say, after being, uh, you, uh, so-and-so got banned for hate speech.
And then it's just like, what did you actually say?
Doesn't matter.
Then the media can report it.
Then regular people hear it.
And then they start making assumptions about you.
For a lot of people, like for instance, we had Steve Bannon on the show.
The first time he was on this show, I got tons of messages from people saying they thought he was crazy.
They never actually heard him speak.
There was a meme that they had on Reddit circulating, and it was a picture of Bannon that said, this man thinks his race is superior to yours.
And it's like, Steve Bannon's not a white supremacist.
He doesn't think that.
They make this stuff up.
They hire people to spread disinformation.
Then they attack social media organizations to get you banned so you can't defend yourself.
jackson hinkle
And it's able to happen because it's government utilizing private companies to attack what would otherwise be definitely free speech.
The Ukrainian government put me on a kill list and then I got banned from PayPal, Venmo, Twitch.
I got banned from all these things after that.
So, I don't know, maybe we could talk, but I think the most interesting answer to this, and obviously any solution is going to have problems, but if you fully nationalize big tech and take it away from these private corporations, wouldn't free speech have to be, at least in maybe a better way than it is today, protected on these platforms?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't really want Biden administration administering free speech.
They have their own position on who gets to speak freely and who doesn't.
jackson hinkle
But they don't take like Medicare away from people in the United States because, at least yet, because you have different political views.
Maybe in Canada they do that.
tim pool
But they do target your taxes based on your political views.
jackson hinkle
They do do that.
Right.
Not a perfect solution, but you... I don't know.
It's worth thinking about.
ian crossland
I don't think... I think it would create another monopoly controlled by the government, but the idea of forcing these private companies to free their software code to the people as like a government action could work.
Because once you have access to the devices or the material software code, you can make your own version of the site and they can't ban you.
unidentified
I was gonna say, if the government owned social media platforms, it's too much like Ministry of Truth for me.
I'd rather have someone private.
Neither are ideal, but government's like the worst option.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's just not going so well in China, you know?
tim pool
No, I don't necessarily agree.
If there was a social media that was run like a public utility that was maintained by government workers, It's very difficult for them to come and shut off your water or something like that.
The idea would be only under strict, specific regulations could they take your account down, like, with a warrant.
Right now- Don't get me wrong, sorry, just- There will be corruption, search warrants are required to break into your house, or for the cops to come in, and they might be able to get a bunk warrant signed by a bad judge.
But...
If your account is up and you incite or commit a crime through, you know, saying, hey, everyone go do this at this time, they go to a judge, get a warrant, the judge says, take it down, they take it down, then you go and they can arrest you or whatever, but it could theoretically work.
jackson hinkle
I think it could, and it's... The problems you guys brought up, it's the same exact problems we have today.
Like, when I got banned from Twitch, one of my viewers at a FOIA request found out the organization that wrote the whole article to get me banned from Twitch Was in communications with the Department of Homeland Security.
They were going back and forth and suggesting names to get taken down from these platforms over Russian disinformation.
So you still you have those problems today and I think you would have those problems if you nationalize Twitter or Facebook or whatever, but I think they would be far less.
And if they did happen, you could always do a FOIA request.
ian crossland
Kind of like with healthcare, like a public-private thing where you still have private healthcare insurance, you still have private social media, but then you could have a public social media free software.
jackson hinkle
It'd still be called X, but yeah, you'd have some sort of regulation.
tim pool
But you don't actually need government to run it.
You could simply have regulation that states accounts cannot be taken down without a warrant signed by a judge.
So we've talked about it quite a bit, actually.
In New York, for instance, Occupy Wall Street took place on what's called a POPS, a publicly owned private space.
So, the land is owned by an organization, an entity, but you can use it because of an agreement they have with the city, which grants them certain liability protections, but also grants you free speech rights, even though it's owned by somebody.
So, Elon Musk can monetize, can put ads up, he's the owner, but he can't remove people because he's made an agreement on liability.
That's the way it should be.
When Occupy Wall Street happened, they said, we want to remove these people, and they're like, there was a lawsuit, and they're like, you can't.
It's a public space, so free speech is allowed.
You can't just claim private property after the fact.
The same thing should be true for Twitter.
Once you're signed up and on, you have free speech.
They can't remove you unless you commit a crime and they get a warrant.
unidentified
Yep.
I was going to say, it seems like social media, your rights, the rights of free speech aren't being extended online fully as, you know, like you can go outside of a Starbucks and you can say whatever you want.
You can't say whatever you want, uh, you know, on Twitter.
So I think if we fully extended those rights, we wouldn't need to even have, you know, the government take over.
tim pool
But you don't even need government maintaining it.
Like, these privately owned public spaces are maintained by the organizations that own them.
And there's some benefit.
Usually they get a tax write-off or something.
They're not going to pay taxes on it because it's open to the public, but then they pay to maintain it.
In the instance of Twitter, They get the lawsuit protections.
You're not responsible for what anybody says.
You can sell the ads, but you also can't remove people unless they're breaking the law.
There are challenges with that, but I think the issue then gets to what we've talked about before.
If you go out in public and you have a big poster with porn on it, you're going to get arrested on obscenity charges or something.
They're going to take it, they're going to pull the sign down, they're going to say you can't do that.
Twitter should be the same thing.
I don't understand how we got to the point where we as a society still recognize you can't go out in public and show lewd images and wave them around in the air, but on Twitter, you can.
On any social media platform.
Why is it that you have to show an ID to get into a bar?
You have to show an ID to get into a casino.
You can't even walk through a casino unless you're 21.
You can't even bring your kids to the restaurant.
So a lot of casinos will do this thing where the restaurant is actually just on the other side of the security line so families can actually bring their kids.
Yet when it comes to looking at adult graphic content on the internet, there's no requirements?
jackson hinkle
Yeah.
tim pool
That's nonsense.
jackson hinkle
Yeah.
No, it's crazy.
You know, other countries aren't like that.
In Asia, China, you don't have that sort of stuff.
Russia's doing away with that stuff.
And I think at its core, the question of this issue of hashtag ban the ADL, it's like all of these issues of foreign or domestic interference in private companies is completely legal.
There's no First Amendment protection.
But Tim, like you said, if you have some sort of a structure in place there that guarantees free speech, It would do away, anytime you have someone getting banned or taken off for something other than explicit content or illegal claims.
tim pool
Criminal activity.
jackson hinkle
Criminal activity.
You know, that's immediately a free speech issue.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story.
Let's get cultural.
We have this one from TheGamer.com.
They say, Starfield isn't woke.
You're just afraid of the future.
Now, many of you may not be familiar with Starfield.
It's a video game.
And a controversy has emerged because you can choose your pronouns in the game.
Another game just came out called Baldur's Gate, which is also sparking some culture war outrage that I think is worth talking about.
Because there was a funny meme and it said, gamers are entering the culture war, you know, what's going to happen now?
And it's like, Gamergate was the beginning of the culture war, when people playing video gamers got upset over a variety of issues, including gaming companies paying media outlets to write favorable reviews for them.
But this is what happened.
Here's a story.
Starfield has pronouns.
Actually, Ian, can you explain what Starfield is?
ian crossland
Starfield is a game by Bethesda.
It's their newest launch, so like Elder Scrolls and Fallout, this is the new one and it's a space game where you can fly around from planet to planet and experience different biomes.
I think it's first person.
unidentified
First new IP by Bethesda in 25 years.
ian crossland
You've actually been playing it, Kellen, you said.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
I've not really encountered any wokeness.
I mean, the pronouns thing was already default to he, him, so I didn't even touch it when I started the game.
But I'm curious what this article talks about because so far I've enjoyed it.
I haven't run into any nonsense.
tim pool
Is it like Fallout?
unidentified
Exactly.
So what Fallout 76 should have been, except in space.
Like it just works well.
You know, it's very in-depth.
I like it so far.
tim pool
They say, shortly after early access began this weekend, a clip went viral featuring a bald British man screaming about how Starfield is desperate to remind us of the current day with its use of pronouns and body diversity.
They say, hundreds of years in the future, a universe that reflects the progress made within our own allows players to select the pronouns people in their lives choose to address them.
This choice is respected and is an obvious component of making your character in the RPG's opening moments.
So, uh, I got a question.
Pronouns are only used not in your presence.
Or if someone's speaking about you with you not privy to the conversation.
How does it work in a video game when it's a first person game and you're involved in every conversation?
ian crossland
They'll probably talk about you in front of you.
hannah claire brimelow
To prove they're doing it.
ian crossland
Z doesn't want to go over there anymore.
Can you type in your pronoun or do you have a list you can select from?
unidentified
I think it's a list.
ian crossland
Dude, I gotta say, I watched the intro, I watched MF Pallytime play, I think it was Pallytime play the intro, and it was rough, man.
It was like woke.
Girl boss, this old woman... Starfield was?
Yeah, is like the boss and she has no charisma and you're like, why is this woman the main character?
And then this dude, this beta dude comes up and he's like, I'm gonna give you my ship for no reason!
And that's the beginning of the game and then it just dumps you and it's like, wow, this is like... Well, that's the beauty of the game is you can completely take a left turn if you don't want to follow that.
unidentified
That's how, you know, that's how fast... Oblivion, Skyrim... Right, so you can...
You don't have to follow that storyline if it's rubbing you the wrong way.
I like having the option, you know?
tim pool
Here it says, Starfield doesn't even push the progressive boat all that much, from what I can tell.
Most of its companions abide by the sexuality of the player when it comes to romance, while going with the non-binary gender option will also lock you to a specific protagonist voice that can't be changed no matter how you might sound or look in reality.
Which brings me to the next story, which is, um, Baldur's Gate, which I also, uh, I just started playing Baldur's Gate, um, and...
This was silly, and I almost just couldn't do it.
Sorry, whatever.
I'm 37.
The wokeness in this game was beyond... was almost just... I just... I just... Okay, look.
Usually when I play these games, I just do, like, random character.
I don't care.
And the name will be, like, random letters.
Whatever, dude.
It's a first-person game.
You know, you're sneaking around.
With Baldur's Gate, it's more of, like, an overhead turn-based RPG.
But with Baldur's Gate, you can be... When you're creating, you create two characters to start with.
And you create one more directly, and then one as a companion.
And so I'm like, okay, you know, Baldur's Gate, Ian tried playing it.
I'll play this one.
And so in the character creation, you can choose body type 1, 2, 3, or 4.
I think there's four body types.
There's basically thin woman, man, fat woman, and fat man.
Or like, wide body, I guess.
Then there's gender identity.
And voice.
So you can have, like, a Type 1 body, which is female, with a dude's face and, like, a female voice, like, you know, I don't know.
Or you can have, like, a woman with, like, a dude voice who identifies as a man.
Identity is actually a character characteristic in the game.
So you can take a female, totally female character in every possible way, and then say, identifies as a man.
And I have, I just, I, I'm like, what is the purpose of this?
So here's what ends up happening.
I always just do, like, random character creation.
Like, yeah, I don't care.
Now, Baldur's Gate is like D&D, so there's a lot more complicated choices you have to make.
But let me just tell you something funny happens in the woke future of video gaming.
Let me explain.
When you play Fallout 3, and you can choose your character male or female, if you choose male, and then click randomize, it will choose a random haircut with random facial features, and make a random looking guy.
If you choose female, you can do the same thing.
Random looking woman with random looking hair, like the hair could be long, could be short, could be spiky, whatever, you could have scars, you could have tattoos.
But when you mix it all together, and I pressed randomize, the first thing I got was a purple haired Man, big masculine man face, with a female purple haircut, bright pinkish purple, with big boobs, who talked like a dude, and then I was just like, if the character can be male and female at the same time, random typically gives you something that is particularly
What's the right word?
ian crossland
Egregious?
tim pool
No, no, no, like, atypical, not normal.
Like, if you chose guy, and then a randomized guy at the end of the video game, you'll get some, like, random guy, and he'll be like, hi, I'm a guy.
You pick a woman, she'll be like, hi, I'm a woman.
But with Baldur's Gate, it's like, every character was some weird amalgam of male and female.
ian crossland
Yeah, I couldn't get my guy to stop looking like a woman.
It was really frustrating.
tim pool
And there's like, I press randomize one and it's like a dude's buzz cut with a female face and a super ripped man body but talking like this, like a woman.
And I'm like, identifying as a woman but looking like a big ripped guy or like the fat woman body with a big bearded dude's face talking like this.
I'm like, it's just...
You know, look, it's one thing to make a character based on you, but the issue is when they mix it all together, and then when I was creating the next character, who apparently is like a main character or something, similar, it's similar.
It's just like random features that don't mix, and it's, I don't know, it's just crazy.
It's just pure chaos.
Other than that, the game's fine.
I actually enjoyed the mechanics.
ian crossland
I wanted to spend no time on character creation, so I kept hitting random, and it kept giving me these, like, these bla- I don't know if blasphemous is the right word, but these, like, things that were, like, abhorrent to rea- to nature.
They were, like, horrible.
And I just kept hitting random until a normal person appeared, and I took the first one I saw.
That's what I did.
tim pool
I was just, I'm like, I don't understand what I'm supposed to do with this.
jackson hinkle
Maybe it's just like, uh, it's supposed to emulate what game devs look like.
Like, they're building it off themselves.
tim pool
People have pointed that out, that characters in movies tend to look like the writers of these movies, or the graphic designers.
Like, seriously, there's like a meme about it, where it's like, there's a woman and she's got like frizzy hair and glasses, and she's like, I made a game!
And the character is literally her, and it's like... But this one, I agree with you, abomination might be the word?
ian crossland
Yeah, hideous.
hannah claire brimelow
The physical characteristics that you get don't affect the character's ability, right?
Sometimes.
So if it looks really ripped, it's not more strong than if it's not.
tim pool
No, in some games it matters because of hitboxes, like how big your character is determines if someone is like attacking you, but not this game.
This game is like a turn-based RPG with a bunch of different stats.
The game's actually really fun.
It's kind of like, I don't know, I'm only like an hour in, and it's a bit nonsensical, like random things are just happening.
But I'm having fun with it, and it's cool mechanics, and I like the RPG style.
It's basically D&D.
But I almost turned it off right away when I'm playing this game, and it's just like, I don't understand the purpose of identity in the game.
Like, seriously.
The character doesn't seem to be influenced or anything by this, but there was a funny meme.
Which, uh, actually got me, you know, I found after I started seeing all this stuff where a guy is complaining that he bought the game but all of the dude characters keep trying to bang his dude.
He's like, my character's just like a ranger guy and all of the companions keep trying to have sex with me, like, what is going on?
Why are they all gay?
And that was really interesting to me in this concept of where woke gaming goes.
In most games, there was the protagonist, his allies, and then maybe his love interest, maybe.
But now, because these games are becoming more open world, and they want to entertain all identities, every interaction has to have a component of some sexual or romantic endeavor, whereas games did not used to have that.
They would have, like, one love interest that you could maybe, now it's just like, you've made a guy character, well, all the guys are gay and they want to do you.
hannah claire brimelow
And do you want that in your video games?
Like, is that, do you want it?
I feel like if you wanted it to be like, who are you in love with, you'd play like Sims 2 or whatever.
You wouldn't play this game.
Seems strange to me.
unidentified
That's been my biggest issue with this.
I could really care less.
It's just like, tell me a good story.
I want to play a good video game to learn a good story, not spend 15 minutes in character creation.
Like, I just feel like they're hiring these teams to focus on love interests and purple hair when it's like, yo, like Tim said, I want to just fight the Dragon Man.
tim pool
Seriously, give it a try if you have the game.
Anybody who has the game probably experienced this already.
But if you haven't, I'm not suggesting you buy it just for this.
I'm having fun with the game so far.
It's pretty fun.
It's a tad complicated in a lot of ways, but it's worth it.
But just go to the character creation and hit random, and you're gonna go, uh-uh!
ian crossland
If it's anything like Divinity 2, there's a lot of combinations, so one guy can squirt oil on the ground and the other guy can shoot fire at it and make it explode.
tim pool
Yes, I believe you can do that.
ian crossland
That's what the game's all about for me, not who is the character you're going to have sex with.
Not for kids, like if you want to let your 12 year old play a game, keep in mind that there's nudity in that game that you can turn on and off.
tim pool
The first thing it asked me when it turned the game on, I was like, do you want nudity, yes or no?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
And yes is the default.
ian crossland
I said yes.
tim pool
I'll say this, do not give your kids this game.
jackson hinkle
It's like real life Sodom and Gomorrah.
tim pool
Yeah, look, the game's fine.
Uh, like, the gameplay's pretty great.
I'm enjoying it.
It's a lot of fun.
Uh, you, like, roll a d20 and see.
I have some critical successes that are really fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But, uh, I would not give, uh, anyone, like, any child in my family, my future child, or, like, my, you know, my nephews or nieces or whatever, I wouldn't give them this game.
Because they're going to be confused by why the character, like, the character creation stuff.
Pronouns, identity, and all that stuff, that's creepo indoctrination.
And so that story about Starfield's interesting, they're like, it's not even that woke, it's just in the future they respect pronouns.
Bro, pronouns are cult garbage nonsense.
Not even every language has pronouns.
That's the crazy thing.
It is your weirdo, Americanized, white liberal cult.
That's not what the future is.
Sorry, have a nice day.
unidentified
Yeah.
From what I've seen with Starfield, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here because to me that was only a tiny component was the pronouns.
To me, they gave that project to a small team or one or two employees and said have fun.
I think it's a two-edged sword.
For that same reason, I think the game's so great.
I think they've had a lot of people just be able to create their own stories and storylines that you can play through in the game.
So you're going to get some weird stuff, but you're also going to get some really unique gems, in my opinion.
ian crossland
Do you think it's better than Fallout 4?
unidentified
No.
No.
I don't think it's Fallout.
I don't think it's better than Fallout.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you a video game guy?
unidentified
It's still good.
I like it, though.
jackson hinkle
No, but I think whoever made this game... Russia and China never would allow anything like this within a thousand miles of their border.
And I think in America we have a really big problem with this sort of stuff, indoctrinating the youth, confusing them, like Tim said, at a young age about all these things that they shouldn't be thinking about.
They should be... When I played video games when I was younger, it was like Wii Sports.
You know, it was just dumb stuff like that.
Now you got all this, I mean, there is a vested interest that is pushing this, trying to push people down this path, and that path ultimately is about not having babies and doing freakish stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like, Mario would save the princess.
You'd be like, I saved the girl.
There, my male, like, my ancestral DNA is lit on fire because I saved the princess.
But now it's like, Mario walking in with his shirt, he's kind of sweaty, and like, I don't want to see him pushing the princess up against the wall and like, them making out.
Like, you don't need to add that stuff to Super Mario Brothers.
And a lot of these new games are like, They're going so cinematic, but like... to a fault?
tim pool
I don't know, I mean, I guess... How many of these games or shows really need that component in it?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think you need it at all, but I'm from an era where they didn't have it, so... Well, and I think it's because some people are just more... they expect sexually explicit content more casually all the time now, and I would blame that on pornography and the readily available access to that.
I mean, people are like, it's not compelling unless you see this, but actually you guys are testament to the fact that, like, video games were compelling when they had strong storylines.
ian crossland
They're for sure moving us to a game that's a movie that is a porn where you are the main character in VR, where you have an open world with abilities, but you can also have sex.
tim pool
That's where we're headed.
We're heading to a world which is going to be open world VR, anything you want at all.
You're gonna eat ice cream all day, you're gonna eat chocolate cake.
Now, like, for the time being, the VR stuff that exists, there's no point in playing a game where you eat cake because you don't actually experience the dopamine hit from eating the cake.
But once they get that neural link going, then people are gonna be eating chocolate cake all day.
ian crossland
What about drugs?
If they could induce, like, a dopamine reaction in your brain by taking digital heroin in the game, you're like, my character's gonna shoot up a jet or whatever the hell it is.
tim pool
I think they'd make that a- yeah, that's what they do in Fallout.
ian crossland
They breathe it in.
tim pool
I think that'd be illegal.
Because it would cause the exact same problems triggering dopamine release or whatever would cause the same artificially or through chemical induction.
I think it would just cause you serious problems that have to ban it, but don't know how you do it.
You're going to go to like Neuralink drug dens where they're like, we can bypass the patch and security features to trigger whatever feeling you want.
ian crossland
Yeah, because at first, in the game, you'll be taking the drug and then you'll be getting the feeling in real life, but then they'll be like, no, no, no, in the game, it's illegal to take the drug in the game, and they'll be like, okay, I'm just going to stare at flowers in the game, but you're still going to get the feeling, and then they'll be like, we can't stop.
Because basically, clicking like, like looking at all your likes on social media is producing dopamine, kind of like a drug, scrolling and scrolling.
unidentified
Have you guys watched The Peripheral on Amazon?
Yes.
Negative.
Yeah.
tim pool
Wait, I think so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep.
unidentified
And she's got that weird, like, it's almost like she's hungover when she comes out of the, uh, I forget if it's a computer game or whatever it is.
tim pool
They're in, like, a branch timeline.
unidentified
But when she disconnects, she's all disoriented and, like, weak and everything, so I wonder if we'll get something like that, even if drugs aren't related, that people are just so used to being in the VR when they come out.
Dude.
It's just a total shock to the system, you know?
Guys, I have a confession to make.
tim pool
Last night, I went to go live Moss.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm proud of you.
You deserve it.
tim pool
And when I walked when I walked in, they had big touchpads.
And I did not talk to a human.
ian crossland
Where?
tim pool
Taco Bell.
Oh, live mas!
Live mas!
And I got I got a cheese yogurt dita crunch.
And it was delicious.
It was worth it.
Have you seen their- But I ordered on the- I ordered on the kiosk.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And then it just made and they're like, they yell out my initials.
DP.
ian crossland
They got your order right?
unidentified
Yeah.
I think it's kinda nice.
tim pool
But I'm just saying like, this is the- like, you're- in the future man, I'm talking like very soon, there's not gonna be a counter.
You're gonna walk in to the kiosk, you're gonna hit the buttons, and then it's gonna go, order 17.
And then you're gonna walk over and it's gonna open up and the food's gonna slide out.
jackson hinkle
I don't want some smelly, freakish, blue-haired, who knows, you know, like, Starbucks worker taking my order at 7am when I'm trying to wake up.
Like, just give me my order, put that person to work on an oil rig or something, do something.
Do something useful, you know, and if you can't do that, then sucks, but we need an economy that is oriented around human prosperity, not around, like, degenerate freaks expressing their identity, handing me a latte that they didn't even do anything to me.
tim pool
But I don't know if that has to do with AI takeover.
jackson hinkle
Oh yeah, it does.
tim pool
I mean, like, the dudes who are working there- I want full AI takeover.
But the people working there were not like you're describing, it was like a regular dude.
And it's just like, I don't interact with him, though.
jackson hinkle
His labor is better used elsewhere.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think the issue, though, is there's a finite amount of better-use-elsewhere labor.
So when we automate away all the low-skill jobs, what are you gonna do with all these immigrants?
What are you gonna do with all these high school students?
They're gonna be locked in the Neuralink pod eating bugs and they're gonna be like, life is good.
jackson hinkle
I think the answer to that is... I think the answer to that is A, having a shorter work week.
I mean, you don't really need people working 40 or 80 hours a week, as so many are, to make this country run.
You could have way more free time for the average American.
That American that is Has that free time?
I mean, I'd hope most people, God-fearing people, family-oriented people, are gonna start new businesses.
I mean, it's what's happening in China right now.
They've got more millionaires than ever before, they got more billionaires than ever before, more people being lifted out of poverty, and their country's not going down a path of social degeneracy and lunacy and chaos like we are here.
That's what's happening in America.
China's going in a direction of Actually increase prosperity for the average person, despite what you think of the characteristics of the country itself and what they value there.
ian crossland
I've heard that the way that they responded to COVID by shutting down annihilated their economy.
Is that not true?
jackson hinkle
I mean, their economy did take a slight hit, but you know, there's certain things you talk, you can't talk about on YouTube.
They viewed COVID very differently than every other country viewed COVID.
tim pool
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Let's read some Super Chats.
Crazy Blake says, love you guys.
Keep up the good work.
Rip Roberto.
Roberto's still alive.
It's Roberto Jr.
I have bad news.
Vanessa passed away in her sleep.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Yep, yep.
Man, so few OG chickens remain.
hannah claire brimelow
What is a typical chicken lifespan?
tim pool
10 years.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh wow, so these ones are going quickly.
tim pool
But, I mean, they die for a lot of reasons.
Yeah.
So one had cancer.
The chickens that we got, we were warned, were a weak batch.
We got him in the winter and he was like, you know, you're going to lose some of them because they're fairly weak, you know, in the winter and all that stuff.
But I don't know.
Vanessa's been around for almost three, she was three.
Yeah.
And it's unfortunate.
Roberto Jr.
we knew had issues.
When he would crow, he would collapse.
And so we didn't know what to expect.
And then he had a heart attack and died suddenly.
It's unfortunate.
hannah claire brimelow
It's very sad.
tim pool
But I think we've only lost maybe like five out of the massive amount of chickens that we have.
So, you know, and yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
How's his heir doing?
tim pool
We have Roberto the third and he's got a brother too.
So, uh, they need some names.
Let's figure it out.
And Roberto's in there as well.
We just, you know, we don't want him banging his daughters.
So he's good.
He's got to stay separate for the time being until we get, uh, until we move some, some everybody around.
All right.
Zimemaru says, I like you Jackson, but you had one bizarre take on the Avatar movie.
Also, have you guys seen the first day out Trump rap song?
AI is going to make 2024's meme war next level.
I have not seen it.
I will look into it.
I started playing Fallout 3 again, so I'm interested in trying Starfield, but I just don't think you could ever beat Fallout 3.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm gonna give Starfield a try, I think.
I mean, it'd be silly not to.
I've been playing Bethesda games since the beginning.
tim pool
I don't know, I like Baldur's Gate.
Baldur's Gate's fun.
unidentified
They're close by, too, in Bethesda headquarters.
Bethesda, Maryland.
Well, they're actually not in Bethesda, Maryland, but they're right down the road.
They're not far.
hannah claire brimelow
Field trip, let's go.
tim pool
When's the new Elder Scrolls coming out?
unidentified
It's gonna be a couple years, because this one they were putting everything into in Starfield.
tim pool
And they're doing Fallout 76, and they're just pushing more of that.
unidentified
I don't know if that game's still getting updates.
It might be.
ian crossland
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure they just put out a new update.
Not gonna be wrong.
ian crossland
It's decent.
tim pool
Fallout 3 is one of the best games ever made, if not the best video game ever made.
It's just, it's a masterpiece.
It's got Liam Neeson in it.
It's got Malcolm McDowell in it.
ian crossland
Yeah, where you go on like the old aircraft carrier.
tim pool
Felicia Day's in it, yeah, Rivet City.
ian crossland
She is?
I didn't know all those actors were involved.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Felicia Day's in Fallout 3.
ian crossland
Wow.
Yeah, that was groundbreaking, that game.
hannah claire brimelow
What's your take on the Avatar movie?
jackson hinkle
Uh, the blue people were the bad ones.
ian crossland
What were they bad about?
jackson hinkle
They're hoarding all the resources.
These guys are just trying to come in and make life a little bit better, develop a little bit.
tim pool
Real quick, no, no, she's in New Vegas.
I was wrong about Fallout 3.
Anyway, continue.
jackson hinkle
They're just the bad people.
This is Wall Street, City of London.
They're trying to hoard all the resources from the working man that's trying to get by.
ian crossland
So if they don't know they have the resources, it's like oil that they aren't able to synthesize yet, but they're living on top of it.
tim pool
I want to do short films that show the opposite perspective of these famous stories in movies.
Star Wars is about a young kid from a desert planet who's radicalized by religious zealots.
They hijack a cargo ship to go blow up a military base.
Darth Vader's a disabled war veteran.
Like, that's the story right there.
But that's overt.
Like, you literally watch that movie and that's what it is.
This kid's like, oh wow, you're gonna fight the rebellion, they call it, against the Empire?
The Death Star was called Project Stardust.
It was a military base.
Anyway, I digress.
There's a whole bunch of ways you could interpret other stories.
With Avatar...
I'm like, the short film version from the perspective of the US or the Earth interests, is that they come to this planet, and they see a bunch of natural resources, and the natives are brutally sacrificing children and putting them on the altar and flaying them alive, and then they're like, Do we ignore this, or do we intervene?
And then, you know, on Earth they're like, we need to stop them from sacrificing children and pulling their hearts out, and then the activists are like, you're stealing indigenous culture!
jackson hinkle
And one more thing, if you look at the Indian Collective in the United States, that's the organization that's fighting land back for all the indigenous tribes across America right now.
Guess who's the one who's funding it?
It's Jeff Bezos.
Jeff Bezos is funding the Indian Collective Land Back for the Indigenous People.
They just want to protect the land, but there's something more sinister at play.
unidentified
Alright, let's read some more Super Chats.
tim pool
What have we?
Where are we at?
Noah Sanders says, Jackson, just wanna let you know there's a fake profile of you going around following people you follow.
He says, I posted a photo on Axe and tagged you.
Don't want someone giving you a bad name.
You know, to be honest though, that happens all the time.
I get messages from people who are like, did you know that there's 87,396 accounts that are imitating you?
And I'm like, dude, whatever.
Like, what are you supposed to do?
And they're all on YouTube and they're trying to get people to download, like, some crypto app or something.
Whatever, man.
That's the conspiracy theory why Elon Musk actually bought Twitter.
Because people kept making fake profiles of him and then doing bit- Bitcoin scams.
And he kept telling them to, like, stop and then Twitter was like, well, whatever.
So now he's like, everyone's gotta be verified!
hannah claire brimelow
No more of this!
Someone copied my profile on Instagram earlier this year and it was like crypto advice and they messaged my older brother and were like, hello, I've gotten interested in the stock market or like something like that.
And, you know, it was a very close copy that changed like one letter in my username, but I definitely would not want to be mistaken for a crypto expert.
tim pool
All right, Kalashnikov says, Tim, you said you like the Fallout games.
Have you tried Starfield?
If not, save your time and money.
It's absolutely dreadful.
unidentified
Oh.
Really?
I need to know why now.
Okay, here's my theory.
My theory is that for the last 10, like I said, first new IP from Bethesda in 25 years, well, you raised a whole generation on Call of Duty and Fortnite.
So you have a lot of this rhetoric online, in my opinion, is coming from people who are addicted to multiplayer games.
They see the single player, how in-depth it is.
They're like, this is a chore.
tim pool
See, here's the thing.
Bethesda purchased Fallout, the IP, and then they took the isometric game, applied its lore, which is awesome, to their basically Elder Scrolls engine.
I think they bought it from Obsidian, right?
I think it was Obsidian who made Fallout.
And then Fallout New Vegas, which everyone said was way better, was when Obsidian used their engine and added the storyline the way that they wanted it.
Fallout 4, I thought, was dreadful.
It's like, you no longer had speech options, you had, like, one of four buttons to press.
It just was not enjoyable.
And so, while I can respect Elder Scrolls, I like Skyrim.
That's fine, I'm looking forward to the new one.
I thought Fallout 76 was kind of bad.
They're like, there's no people in it.
Like, you're the people.
I'm like, no.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So I am willing to bet I probably will not like it.
ian crossland
Do they have a good alchemy crafting system?
unidentified
Yeah, it's very in-depth.
A bunch of different crafting stations you can do for different things.
It is like choose one of four options, but once you choose one option it snakes into another three or four.
So it's not bad, and it's a new game engine that they designed.
I don't know.
I just don't want to be black-pilled on everything.
I do enjoy it.
It's a video game.
You're supposed to have fun.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
I mean, Baldur's Gate, I'm having fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's pretty good.
David says, Ian, give us a flex.
You look like you've made progress.
ian crossland
Thank you.
unidentified
I gained about...
ian crossland
Uh, 15 pounds.
Wow!
I clocked 152.
unidentified
152?!
Yeah.
ian crossland
I've been carrying weights around with me throughout the day.
Just a couple of 15 pound dumbbells and then this last weekend I ate for like 48 hours.
I just kept eating.
tim pool
I went outside and Ian's sitting on the porch curling and I was just like, wow.
ian crossland
I took him with me over to Keith's house.
hannah claire brimelow
He looked at him and he was like, MAGA man.
tim pool
He's got a MAGA hat on.
ian crossland
It feels so good.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you feel, like, more energy and everything?
ian crossland
Yeah, immediately.
The body, like, um, remembers.
Like, this morning I felt all groggy, but I started doing, um, just core exercise, and that soreness starts off sore, and then it starts to feel really good, and then it starts to wake things up.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
In, like, six months Ian's gonna be massive.
He's gonna be like, yeah, I've just been lifting all day!
unidentified
The new Libra King?
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
When we hit the organ meat phase, I'm gonna be really, uh, really interested to see where we go from there.
tim pool
Yeah, bring Luke in.
He's all about that.
All right, Crazy Lemur says, Georgia is blue.
We tried to build low-income housing in Savannah, Georgia, and they said they won't approve our project because we are white.
The city council is corrupt, and we need an OMG undercover.
What's Seamus doing down there?
hannah claire brimelow
Just draw him cartoons, like he's going to contribute to society one of these days.
tim pool
Cartoons.
Although I do say, I will say, his latest cartoon was really, really good.
I, of course, was the voice of Fauci.
And you should really check it out on Freedom Toons, because it's clever.
Basically, COVID is a comedian who doesn't want to be political anymore.
And everyone's like, huh?
And they're like, shocked by it.
And then he basically, COVID basically explains, you know, it was always like, ha ha, that unvaccinated maggot shud die, that's what he gets.
But then when it's a Democrat, it's like, ha ha, he got vaccinated, you know, X amount of times and then he still gets sick and then dies or whatever.
It's never just the virus that's killing people, it's always some political angle to it.
And then Fauci is basically like, what does he say?
He's like, did you forget who made you?
You should check it out, it's funny.
And then he threatens, threatens him.
There you go.
All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.
Wilson Fields says, Riley Gaines will be speaking at West Virginia University this Thursday.
The event will be taking place at 7 p.m.
at the Mountain Lair on campus.
You do not need to be a student to attend.
I, of course, will be doing Timcast IRL on Thursday, and I will be here.
hannah claire brimelow
I wonder if Taylor's going to be there.
tim pool
But, uh, yeah, I don't know.
West Virginia, where's, is that, but which, which campus, is that in Shepherdstown?
hannah claire brimelow
I think they're talking about Morgantown.
tim pool
Morgantown?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, okay, that's really far away.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What is it, like, three, four hours?
hannah claire brimelow
Two and a half hours, three hour drive, maybe?
unidentified
Well, a lot, if you're, uh, if you're watching, maybe you should go cover it.
I'm sure there's gonna be some type of protest, even at Morgan, you know, even at WVU.
hannah claire brimelow
Morgantown.
I'm always curious.
tim pool
Just shy of three hours.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I'm always curious to see what's happening on the college campuses, or at least, uh, nearby the college campuses, if they're not allowed on.
tim pool
Ligama says, Mr. Hinkle, I have seen you described as a Marxist-Leninist and MAGA-Communist, among other things.
I have read your Twitter, and it's full of things suggestive of a rejection of classical liberalism.
I don't, however, want to put words in your mouth.
Care to comment?
jackson hinkle
True.
tim pool
Which one?
MAGA-Communist?
ian crossland
Both.
Do you identify as communist?
jackson hinkle
Yes.
ian crossland
What is the value of communism?
jackson hinkle
Orienting government and the economy for the public good.
tim pool
Yeah, but I think that's like an oversimplification.
jackson hinkle
Well, you said simply.
Simply, that's what it is.
I mean, I think that any communist state that takes form in America is going to have communist values, or American values rather.
It's going to be based on the history of our country, the constitution.
I think it would be a Christian communist state.
And I think that we can learn a lot from China and from the Soviet Union.
But you look at China today, Their economy is outpacing ours.
It's gonna beat ours totally probably within the next five to ten years.
You know, Europe is going down.
The US is going down.
China lifted 845 million people out of poverty in the last 40 years.
I think that we shouldn't be China, but I think we can learn things from China and the Soviet Union and other countries that have done it successfully.
ian crossland
Successfully.
Soviet Union didn't do it successfully.
tim pool
They fell apart in 69 years.
jackson hinkle
But what did they do successfully?
They took their country from its knees, from dirt, from a feudal society, basically, to the economic powerhouse that defeated Nazi Germany.
The bloodiest, largest battle in all of human history.
unidentified
Yeah, but we're already an economic powerhouse.
So how would communism benefit us?
jackson hinkle
Are we an economic powerhouse or are we this Byzantine labyrinth of insurance companies, law firms that utilizes Wall Street power, utilizing the dollar as a tool of financial pressure on the rest of the world?
Without the dollar, America is not nothing, but it's nowhere near as strong as it is today.
And when you see BRICS rising up, you see Russia, China, India, South Africa, Brazil, you see Saudi Arabia, the UAE, you see Iran, Egypt, seven of the top ten largest oil producing in the nations today, working to create a new global reserve currency that's going to challenge the dollar.
I mean, it's not the end of America, but it's not going to be pretty for us in the future.
ian crossland
You think that centrally planning an economy is a more effective strategy?
jackson hinkle
I think that every economy is planned.
This economy in the U.S.
is planned to enrich Wall Street, rich legacy families in our country.
It's built to enrich the largest monopoly capital powers that reside within the U.S.
I think China is a country that Plans the economy to lift people out of poverty in regions like Xinjiang and also focuses on giving people tax relief, helping them create new businesses, making sure that they have enough money to afford homes and healthcare and stuff like that.
I think America is a country that prioritizes every single interest of the ruling class over the interests of the working man.
That's why we have 60,000 homeless veterans, 600,000 homeless individuals.
We have a higher ratio of homeless in our country compared to any industrialized developed nation on the face of the earth.
ian crossland
What about property rights?
Would you suggest doing away with them?
jackson hinkle
I think that we should, I think we should just give property to the people.
Trump's talking about this new plan for America cities.
He's talking about 10 new cities across the United States.
We'd have, you know, top elite architects, architecture specialists throughout the country that submit plans to build new cities where people, young Americans with families are basically going to get the opportunity to buy land, buy homes for pennies on the dollar for super cheap.
And I think we should do that right now.
I mean, why is it that every American is governed by debt?
Every American is in debt when it comes to their home loans.
Every American's in debt when it comes to student loans.
Even medical debt is insane right now in the United States.
Why is it?
This is the last thing I'll say.
Everything about communism is about taking power away from the wealthy hordes, the Sacklers, the Rockefellers, the Bushes, all these families that are hoarding our wealth, our resources in America right now, and keeping it for themselves for who knows what.
Why is it that Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos are allowed to buy up all the land in this country?
And no one questions that.
But the idea of giving every American enough land to get by and maybe have a small garden or a farm or something like that, that's insane and no one's allowed to talk about that.
And that's some communist conspiracy that no one's ever going to imagine ever taking shape here.
unidentified
I think that's insane.
tim pool
Well, compromise.
All of the land seized by the Bureau of Land Management, we break it apart and we give pieces of it to various American citizens.
unidentified
I was going to say, this doesn't really sound like communism.
It almost sounds like just a form of socialism that you're describing, that you want the government to do more for the American people.
Because communism would be the government owns all the land.
We're not getting it.
tim pool
Yeah.
jackson hinkle
Well, that's not the case in China.
China, they've given land to the people.
tim pool
But what I think you can say... But they're a weird kind of like post-communist, like authoritative state.
unidentified
Yeah, it's like land leases, right?
Yeah.
jackson hinkle
Well, China is 100% ML line.
I mean, you look at Mao, you look at Deng Xiaoping, you look at Xi Jinping, I mean, you read his books, Governance of China.
It's all an ML line.
It's 100% Marxist-Leninist.
And there's a lot of people who try to say, well, China's like semi-capitalist.
It's a capitalist communist state.
It's because they don't want to admit that communism is actually winning, whereas pure capitalism here, or corporate capitalism, whatever you want to call it, is failing beyond belief.
And the last thing I'll say is about government takeover.
I think that there should be government takeover, like what Russia is doing.
Russia has Gazprom.
They're utilizing the interests of the country, oil, natural gas, to benefit the public.
I mean, you look at some of the finest infrastructure that's been built in Russia, it's happening because of the revenue generated by their utilities.
We have utilities here that are only enriching these shareholders of these massive corporations that do nothing in the interest of the working man, and they actually indebt many Americans based upon how expensive basic utilities are.
tim pool
Let's read some more Super Chats.
Heron Gaming News says, Tim, how much closer do you think we are to seeing people who voted for Trump being arrested?
I don't know, several weeks past?
I mean, two and a half years past?
How many people got arrested for being at the Capitol on January 6th but didn't actually go in the building?
How many people were just there at the rally, walked up the steps confused, didn't know what was going on, and are being criminally charged?
I think that qualifies for people who just voted for Trump.
We're not talking about someone who smashed a window and fought cops.
Yeah, I understand charges for those people.
Maybe two decades.
A little bit extreme.
But there are a lot of people who are, like, walking around confused, bumbling about, and they got criminally charged.
And they got two- even just two months is insane for someone who had no idea what was going on.
So, yeah.
That, I think, is already happening.
All right, Matt's Magic Emporium says, can I come on and play Tim in MTG?
Depends.
We can play multiplayer commander.
What do you think is good, four players?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Four is good for commander.
And maybe once we finally get the club up and running, which is just, everything just takes a million years.
Because my job day-to-day is doing this, and then everyone else is doing everything else.
So it's like, if I want to open a club where we can play cards and hang out, that's on the back burner.
Everybody's doing their specific job, and then, like, first thing that happens is the coffee shop.
It's getting delayed because we have to do remodeling, and there's permits, and historic society.
Once that's up and running, then we move to second floor.
Then we gotta install, like, handicap stuff.
Once that's done, we do third floor.
So, it'll be really cool to have, like, uh, uh... What would you call it?
Like a hobby shop?
We're gonna have, probably, trading cards.
Um, we'll see if we get poker legalized.
Got some really awesome stuff happening on that front.
We gotta figure out how to do poker properly.
I don't think... I don't know what the argument is to have it regulated at all.
Why shouldn't it just be if you want to play a game where you can put chips on the table, you can.
I don't understand what the point of any kind of regulation on it is, but we'll see what happens.
I'm talking with the government about how we move forward with that.
But then we're gonna have a skate shop, and it's gonna be a place you go to, you know, hang out, watch movies, and engage in fun hobbies.
Play music, maybe?
It'll be red.
And then, yes, we will have Commander.
And we'll have prizes.
Really awesome prizes.
We'll grab some more Super Chats.
Raymond G. Staley Jr.
says, Tim, did you see Biden walk out of the Medal of Honor ceremony?
It's becoming commonplace for politicians to disrespect the nation they represent.
Everyone, please run for any and all local offices.
Local offices are where it's at.
That's what you need to win.
Yep.
What do we got?
Jason Hutchinson says, it's not stealing land.
You can never own what you can't defend.
Yeah.
I think when you look at the arguments, if you look at movies like Harry Potter, and we're talking about doing these, you know, alternate views, Harry Potter, Voldemort's a one-dimensional villain they never quite explain.
He's just a supremacist who is evil for no reason.
He's just like an arrogant, creepy guy.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like, okay, well like- They gave him like a tragic backstory.
tim pool
Sort of.
He was an orphan, and he was a sociopath.
hannah claire brimelow
Mm-hmm.
And his mom, like, conned someone into falling in love with her, so he's up from this, like, terrible family.
tim pool
But there's no logical rhyme or reason described as to what he's doing and why, other than he's just a supremacist.
But that is horribly one-dimensional.
Look at modern reality, and actually look to a white supremacist.
They will tell you a whole bunch of stuff about why they believe what they believe.
They should have gone into that with Voldemort.
J.K.
Rowling should have had Voldemort and, like the Death Eaters, explain exactly what it is they don't like about people of, you know, mixed wizarding families or whatever.
Instead, it was very, very one-dimensional.
Imagine if... Imagine Harry Potter from the perspective of the right.
We know the left says, everyone's a Nazi, everyone's a supremacist.
Imagine what Harry Potter would look like if you inverted it based on the culture war today.
Voldemort is actually just like, we shouldn't be allowing people, you know, through our borders when, you know, we can't maintain this economically, things like that.
It would be, it would be about national sovereignty, and it would be about economics, and it would be about fighting for the people of his country.
It's not about whether or not you have magic or don't, it's about are you paying taxes to this government, blah blah blah blah blah.
ian crossland
Wizarding taxes, and those that marry the non-wizards don't have to pay.
tim pool
Or, but like, it's fine that Voldemort's a supremacist.
You can totally go with that line.
He's basically Magic Hitler, but just, they should have, like, she needs to elaborate on, like, what it is they really wanted, and it was, you know, overly simplistic.
Not to mention, the Great Wizarding War, it was a civil war.
It was not, it was, it was kind of like a political uprising within their country.
We know that in Harry Potter Universe, there's a bunch of other countries at different schools.
They weren't fighting the war.
So come on!
Do better!
Anyway, what were we talking about?
Harry Potter or something?
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
Because the reason I brought that up is we were talking about Avatar and what land you could own or whatever.
All right, everybody.
Let's see.
Austin Fairbank says, Tim, since you're so obsessed with the modern-day American Civil War, you should give The Darkest Path book by Jeff Hirsch a read or listen.
It has an interesting take on a very plausible future.
Right on.
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Jackson, you wanna shout anything out?
jackson hinkle
The Dive with Jackson Hinkle on YouTube.
hannah claire brimelow
And any Twitter or anything else you want to shout out?
jackson hinkle
Well, Twitter, Elon doesn't like me, so I'm not shouting that out.
hannah claire brimelow
Fine.
Fair enough.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
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We have a lot of great work from all of our journalists.
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And I just did Seamus Collins' podcast today called Shamer, so you should definitely check that out.
He's the worst, but you get to see me break off to cover some breaking news.
ian crossland
He is the worst.
hannah claire brimelow
He is the worst.
I'm glad he's gone.
ian crossland
Saddlebags.
Worst, worst.
Shamus.
Goodbye everyone.
Ian Crossland.
Follow me on the internet at Ian Crossland and Jackson.
Cool talking to you, man.
Especially, we barely got into the communist stuff.
I like talking to people with different political ideologies.
I don't know a lot of people that self-identify as communists.
jackson hinkle
I like talking especially with you guys, because usually people just soy out, but Tim's like, well compromise, let's do this.
And with the Twitter nationalization conversation too.
tim pool
We have to work through the logic of what the idea is, not just...
ian crossland
Yeah, because I thought, as you were talking, like, oh, I see the goal that you're looking at.
I have a similar goal that I'm aiming at, and the methodologies that we use may end up being different.
hannah claire brimelow
I think people hear the label and they freak out.
They don't ask the questions.
ian crossland
Well, maybe we go deeper into it at a future date.
Good conversation, man.
Maybe we could do a culture war and get a bunch of...
Different politics involved.
See you later.
unidentified
You took the words right out of my mouth, Ian.
Maybe we can get, like, Phil Labonte on here next time, because he's, like, the libertarian guy around here.
It'd be really interesting to hear that conversation.
You guys can follow me at kellenpdl.
I'm mainly active on X. But yeah, follow me there.
Thanks, guys.
tim pool
We will see all of you over at timcast.com in a few minutes for The Uncensored Show.
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