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Timcast IRL - Biden CAUGHT Using FAKE NAMES For Shady Hunter Deals WHILE VP w/Nick Sortor
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tim pool
the national archives says 5400 Biden emails where he's using fake names.
And according to a lawsuit, he's using these to engage in illicit business dealings with his son, Hunter.
We've known about some of these aliases for quite a while now, and they were through government addresses.
I think this shows at this point, it's almost pointless to even bring up because we all know Joe Biden was doing this.
We all know he was influence peddling.
We all know Hunter Biden was engaged in business dealings overseas.
We all know that Donald Trump was trying to expose this and for that they impeached him.
But I guess with this new information coming out and NARA saying that they can't just release these records quite yet, we should at least address the news.
We'll talk about that.
Plus, one of my favorite stories of the day, Rachel Maddow says that Donald Trump, if he wins, We'll probably be president for life.
And she's not wrong!
Because Donald Trump is nearly the average life expectancy, so for life means probably one more term.
Let's be real, I wish the president best of health, but no, she literally means they'll be president like a hundred years old because these people live in a crazy crackpot reality where Russia could turn off your electricity in the middle of winter and you'll die.
So we'll talk about that.
And then this very viral story, 12 year old boy had a Gadsden flag patch.
And so his school removed him saying that the Gadsden flag is associated with slavery.
So you can't have it.
We'll be getting into those stories.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Nick Sorter.
nick sortor
How are you doing, Tim?
tim pool
You want to grab your microphone?
nick sortor
I should grab my microphone, yeah.
tim pool
Microphone would help.
Who are you?
What do you do?
nick sortor
I'm an independent journalist.
I am somebody that covers stories that you don't really see in the mainstream media.
It seems like a lot of them have a, you know, a narrative maybe that they're pushing based on You know, another entity or political agenda, political agenda.
And so, you know, basically, I go to places like East Palestine, Ohio, I was in Maui last week, covering the fires out there because, you know, somebody, somebody has to hold the government accountable here.
Because, you know, it seems like for years and years, there was You have all these corporate media outlets, and you didn't hear a lot of these stories, and this stuff isn't new when it comes to government cover-ups and stuff.
tim pool
You hear the editors actually, they protect them.
nick sortor
They protect them, absolutely they protect them, so I'm glad that we finally have a platform such as X.
That, you know, we can kind of broadcast this stuff out to, and, uh, and, you know, it scares these government officials, so, and we're gonna keep on with that.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, we'll, uh, we'll definitely jump into the Hawaii stuff, so thanks for hanging out.
It should be a blast.
nick sortor
Absolutely.
tim pool
We got Hannah Clare hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
It's the best news site of all time, in my personal opinion.
Ian's here, too.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Ian Crossland.
I'm back.
We finished the music video this last weekend.
It was incredible, and, uh, I'm looking forward to tonight's show, as well.
I've been listening on the road a little bit.
You guys holding down the fort while I'm gone.
tim pool
To the best weekend.
ian crossland
A lot of fun.
tim pool
Yeah, Libby was in yesterday.
ian crossland
That was a good show, man.
Spike Cohen sounds like me.
I was like, what?
It sounds like I'm talking right now.
unidentified
Spike.
ian crossland
He's just got a lot more information about economics.
tim pool
Yeah.
And we got Callan pressing the buttons.
unidentified
That's right.
I'm pushing buttons this week while Serge is in sunny Miami getting everything ready for that awesome event.
So let's get started, guys.
tim pool
Here's the story from the New York Post.
National Archives has 5,400 Biden emails in which he uses fake names to dish government info to Hunter and others as VP.
That's a general idea.
He is engaging in illicit business dealings by giving private information to his son, who then acts as his proxy.
And now we're hearing, this is the breaking news from today, the National Archive quote, drags its heels on the release of these records related to Biden's pseudonyms after a 2022 FOIA request.
They say, from the Postmillennial, the National Archives and Records Administration revealed on Monday that it is in possession of around 5,400 documents, this we know.
The group's request, this is Southeastern Legal Foundation, sought emails related to the accounts of J.R.B.
Ware, Robin Ware, and Robert L. Peters.
Pseudonyms that Biden was known to use during his time as vice president.
The foundation filed on Monday against NARA for the release of the records,
claiming that these records may show that Biden forwarded government information
and discussed government business with Hunter Biden as well as others.
I think the general idea is he did do that, and there are emails in which Hunter Biden is cc'd
where government information is being given out.
Quote, all too often public officials abuse their power by using it for their personal or political benefit.
unidentified
Quote.
tim pool
When they do, many seek to hide it.
The only way to preserve governmental integrity is for NARA to release Biden's nearly 5,400 emails to SLF
and thus the public, the American people deserve to know what is in them, said Kimberly Herman, SLF general counsel.
Okay, they're accusing NARA of dragging its heels, saying that they can't just release them right yet,
right, right, as of yet.
But I gotta be honest, you know, while this is, it should be really big news.
We had the Victor Shokin story come out last week.
He gives an interview, he actually says, yes, I was fired because of the Bidens.
Asked, do you think they were getting bribes?
Like, yes, I do.
He also has a sworn, this is the prosecutor, and you can also, also has a sworn affidavit saying he was fired because of Joe Biden.
Now we know you've got these records, potential strong evidence that Biden was doing exactly what we thought he was doing, and at a certain point is it just like...
Shrug, I guess?
What do we do?
nick sortor
Well, this is no surprise to NARA either, okay?
Because, I mean, they've had this for years.
Keep in mind, Joe Biden was vice president up until, you know, early 2017, January 2017.
And, you know, you have to think that NARA was the organization that ended up pursuing Donald Trump over the quote-unquote classified documents scandal.
And, you know, so it's not like plenty of time hasn't elapsed for NAR to come out and kind of raise a flag over this.
If they are the presidential record keepers, how come they didn't come out with this back in 2017 or earlier?
tim pool
Let's just add them to the list of corrupt government entities that are lying and manipulating the American public for the benefit of the Democratic Party.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I don't think anyone would have assumed they were corrupt.
I don't think anyone thinks about them that much, but this is the time.
Oh, I've heard of them.
That's exactly right.
When the Mar-a-Lago raid happened, I'm sure everyone was like Googling this organization saying, what do they do again?
But it's important.
And you can see now where you get these organizations that kind of operate in the background and get to be corrupt over time because no one knows to keep them accountable.
I mean, that is one of the downsides of having such a massive government, right?
We can't look at every place all the time, all at once.
ian crossland
It's so wild to pull back the curtain and see how corrupt this government that we have, that we've been a part of living off of for me 44 years, is like, how do we deal with that now?
It's like it's this global resolve now.
We have to decide how are we going to deal with the fact that so many leaders and processes in our system that we benefit from are corrupted.
How do we do it?
Because we can't just make it end, then we all die.
That's the end.
You don't end it.
You have to do something.
Do you start arresting them?
It's never happened, but what do we do?
hannah claire brimelow
It's never happened until Trump.
ian crossland
And it's happening in front of everyone on Earth.
tim pool
Compromise.
Maybe we don't arrest them.
We send them to Alaska.
I think that was Vivek's plan, right?
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like Alaska doesn't deserve that, you know?
They're doing nothing wrong.
tim pool
That is true.
hannah claire brimelow
They have enough geographical challenges, they don't have all the sunlight.
tim pool
I have to be honest, if I worked, like if I was working for the government and they were like, you're being re-signed to Alaska, I'd be like, cool.
That sounds awesome.
unidentified
You're like, go fishing and polar bears and waterfalls, whatever.
nick sortor
You're just far enough away.
unidentified
I agree with you, Ian.
tim pool
And that's kind of the point I'm getting to with this story.
You know, I read this the other day and I read today that they're dragging their heels or whatever.
ian crossland
Yeah, he wants to move into the army, the marshals, the US marshals and two other organizations
within the government.
tim pool
I, I, I agree with you, Ian.
And that's kind of the point I'm getting to with this story.
You know, I read this the other day and I read today that they're dragging their heels
or whatever.
They're not going to release this.
And I'm just like, how do I feel enthusiastic or shocked by this news to the point where
I'm just like, heavens me, I must inform the people.
I'm more like, well, yeah, what else is new?
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's playing to Joe Biden's advantage, right?
The fact that we all know they're corrupt.
So we're like, this is interesting information that we all already feel like we know.
nick sortor
It's just adding to the pile here.
unidentified
Right.
nick sortor
You know, it's like, We're coming to the point where you have James Comer, who is the House Oversight Committee chair, that keeps coming up with more and more and more information.
hannah claire brimelow
But it's like, OK, yep, just it's... Well, and Biden on the campaign trail in 2019 said, you know, there was no hint of scandal when I was in the White House.
And I specifically never asked my son or brother about their business dealings.
Which is interesting because, number one, I feel like that's sort of unrealistic.
You're his father and you never ask him anything about his job.
nick sortor
Robert L. Peters asked.
It wasn't Joe Biden.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, that's true.
I forgot.
tim pool
It's gonna be funny that there's like a guy appears on stage who looks kind of like Biden and his name is Robert Peters.
hannah claire brimelow
He's like, I swear it wasn't me!
Real person!
tim pool
Well, you know the Biden-by-Dan conspiracy?
ian crossland
I've vaguely heard of it.
tim pool
You've never seen the Biden-by-Dan?
hannah claire brimelow
No.
tim pool
Oh, come on.
hannah claire brimelow
Sorry, Tim, you're better being on the internet than the rest of us.
tim pool
I apparently am, because it's one of the funniest conspiracy theories ever.
Is this the body double one?
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, okay.
rachel maddow
Is this the earlobe thing?
unidentified
Yeah, the earlobe thing, where it looks like he's got a mask on.
tim pool
I didn't know it had a formal name.
ian crossland
He did go through a nasty transformation.
tim pool
You got a bunch of plastic surgery, dude.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a facelift, right?
That's what we are.
tim pool
More than that.
Look at his nose.
He got a bunch of work done.
ian crossland
I miss the old Biden.
That old curmudgeon on the left.
The one that hated crack cocaine.
unidentified
Yeah.
nick sortor
People have asked me, like, hey, Nick, how did Joe Biden's earlobe become attached all of a sudden when it was unattached?
tim pool
Facelift.
unidentified
Or body double.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's facelift.
tim pool
First, it's really funny when that video that the photo came out where it was like Hillary Clinton goes to a thing you know an event and everyone's like that does not look like Hillary Clinton the kind of did but didn't and then the corporate press was like conspiracy theorists think there's a body double.
Yo, they all have body doubles.
hannah claire brimelow
For sure, why not?
tim pool
Fact.
They all do.
It is like basic security protocol to have a body double.
Not even, like, like, dude, in movies, actors have stunt doubles.
You think that world leaders who are fearing for their safety as they travel abroad and go out in public don't have body doubles?
Now, I'm not saying Biden, Biden or whatever is or isn't.
I'm just saying that we can agree on.
They do.
And it's absurd to think they don't.
As to whether or not they replaced Joe Biden with another guy named Biden, I think is ridiculous.
And I think there's a much simpler solution.
All you gotta do is look at a picture of Madonna before and after and be like, how did Madonna's face get so swollen?
How did her lips get so big?
How did her nose get so small?
It's like, well, she's getting plastic surgery.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you remember when Kamala dropped out of the race and then kind of went dark for a minute and then she came back to do some TV interview and she had clearly had a facelift and that's when everyone was like, oh, she's gonna be VP because she just went and got this work done.
nick sortor
Is that why she was gonna become VP?
unidentified
Are we 100% sure?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think that's why she was gonna be VP.
I think that was the confirmation she had been asked to be VP.
tim pool
Look, I love conspiracy theories, because it just, for a moment, allows you to escape reality and imagine you're in an action movie.
Unfortunately, people, I gotta tell you, life is actually much more boring and routine than that, and it's just never as crazy as you think.
nick sortor
But is it, though?
Because all these conspiracy theories that we keep hearing about, you know, with COVID and such, you know, everybody that was called a conspiracy theorist... No, no, no, no, no, those are, like, I think those are the conspiracy theories people joke about.
tim pool
Those are the cons... Like, when you talk about Wuhan lab, for instance, that's because someone went, hey, a virus emerged in a city with his lab where they're doing coronavirus research.
And then the media called you a conspiracy theorist, even though your hypothesis is based in reality and quite likely very probable.
I'm talking about...
Joe Biden being replaced.
Look at this one.
I love this.
I'm talking about the hilarious conspiracy theories like Joe Biden being replaced by a body double named Biden.
And I don't even know what it's because Trump called him Biden.
That's where the name comes from.
Trump said, I have confidence that Chairman Kim will keep his promise to me and also smiled when he called Swamp Man Joe Biden, a low IQ individual.
So now people are saying they're different people.
Look, it's really do got a facelift.
Well, he got a bunch of plastic surgery.
Look at his hair.
It's just, it's, they do it.
I don't know.
Or fine, whatever.
C-SPAN said he's a different guy.
He looks different.
Fine, whatever.
Believe whatever you want.
ian crossland
I was, were you gonna say something?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I was gonna say there was a whole period during the beginning of his presidency where he would go to Delaware on the weekends and he'd wear his big aviators and a mask and he and Joe would be out like doing whatever they're supposed to be doing and they wouldn't hold hands and that's when I was like oh I wouldn't be surprised if they have a body double because if you are extremely worried about the oldest president in the U.S.
potentially contracting you know a virus maybe you wouldn't want him to send him to crowded places like there is a version of this where I could see A spin that would make sense.
I don't actually know that it wasn't him.
It just seemed like a plausible explanation that our sweet, sweet White House Press Secretary might offer at some point.
ian crossland
I thought it was you brought up COVID.
That's fascinating.
I was just thinking that when you talk about what people think that life is like a movie, and it's going to be as exciting as movie.
Dude, we had a bioweapon leak.
Everyone thought it was going to be like The Stand, that Stephen King movie.
Or leak or release, no one knows.
tim pool
We'll slow down a little bit and say, bioweapon, conjecture perhaps, gain-of-function research, simply put, most likely.
ian crossland
Yeah, whether or not they were weaponizing it, I don't know.
Terminology, essentially, a virus is being worked on, it got out.
People were expecting it to be like bloody faces.
Hospitals would be overloaded, so they overreacted.
They were like, mandates, shut down, this and that.
Hospitals got whacked a little bit, but we persisted because it's real life.
The human body's meant to persist.
We're now living with COVID.
It's part of our environment now.
It's part, like the flu, the influenza.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's endemic.
ian crossland
Now it's with us forever.
It will be with us, and it will always be mutating with us.
There's no need to panic anymore.
Now we're living with it.
tim pool
Is there a phrase to describe the Belief that things are like movies, you know what I mean?
nick sortor
So, Elon Musk says that the most entertaining outcome is the most likely, and it seems like that makes more and more sense as time goes on.
tim pool
I think it's a funny joke, but I don't think it's true.
I think the most routine outcome, the most boring actually, tends to be the simplest.
And people want it to be the most entertaining outcome.
They say that because there's been a handful of instances where we've laughed about what's going on, but back to what you were saying about COVID, People watch movies, then think this is how things are, and then expect real life to be that way.
Like the sound of guns, for instance.
I love the sound of punches in movies.
It's almost like a little miniature explosion.
nick sortor
Yeah, right?
tim pool
Like, it does not sound like that at all.
And guns don't sound like that.
And especially, like, one easy and simple example is, like, in Netflix, for instance.
This woman has, it's the new episode of Black Mirror, and she has an AI making a story out of her life by predicting all of her behaviors, and she goes to her lawyer, and the lawyer's like, I'm sorry.
The contract is ironclad.
There's nothing you can do.
And then people think that's true.
People think that if you sign a contract with someone, the judge is gonna go, well, you signed it.
No, the judge is gonna be like, what were the terms and why are they written?
Okay, that makes no sense.
Contract's dissolved.
Judge can literally just tear it up in court and be like, it means nothing to me.
The movie stuff is not real.
But I was asking, I'm wondering, is there a way, is there a phrase for describing this, uh, what would you call it?
A bias?
Movie bias?
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe.
tim pool
It's like the belief that things are fictionalized when in real life they're actually much more boring?
hannah claire brimelow
The closest thing what you're saying is making me think of is the idea that After the movie The Truman Show came out, people started saying, I feel like that's happening to me.
And that's sort of, it's not an actual term, but the Truman effect is sort of what I feel like you're describing in some respects because people feel like they consume so much media that in some ways they start transplanting the concepts or the bounds of that reality into their own life.
tim pool
But the thing about the Truman effect is that it's actually just a renaming of gang stalking.
Do you guys know what gang stalking is?
There's people who suffer from psychological delusions.
One of them, I don't know what it's called, but they believe they're being stalked and followed by everybody.
And so they'll be walking down the street and someone will look at them and they'll go, And they'll be like, you're following me!
And then they'll look at a car, they'll see someone in the car, look at them.
It's like, well yeah, when you look at someone's face, they'll look at you and be like, why are they looking at me?
But then the person who's delusional thinks that everyone is stalking them.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, the paranoia.
tim pool
You take that already in existence, create the Truman Show, then people who are predisposed to have these kind of gang-stalking delusions now think, I'm in the Truman Show!
They're all filming me!
That explains it.
ian crossland
I think that term could be cinephasm, if your belief that reality is like a movie.
tim pool
Is that what it's called?
Or did you make that up?
ian crossland
I just made that up.
That's the cinna being from cinema and then phasm meaning, what is it?
Greek for meaning like light and extreme belief or something.
Phasma, apparition, phantom.
So it's like this belief, this like false belief in the reality of the film.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know, I feel like it's a bias or something, like it's a fiction, a script bias or something, where people believe that real life will play out like movies, or that the movie scenario is the more likely scenario, when really the most boring scenario tends to be, like the most routine, I guess.
ian crossland
Yeah, one of least resistance.
tim pool
It's actually, it's in line with Occam's Razor, the simple solution tends to be the correct one.
And so, or how about, when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.
ian crossland
But people will get in there and change it so like water flowing down a mountain, it'll take the path of least resistance.
So too does reality, but people will get in there and create little blocks and dams of like, well, I'm the one in control, so you have to be here on this day.
And all of a sudden, least resistance has a new definition when people tweak the system.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to the story.
Speaking of people who are suffering serious delusions, Rachel Maddow worries Trump will probably will be probably president for life if he wins in 2024.
MSNBC host notes that in the current political movement, far-right politics is coinciding with far-right violence.
It's a lie.
They just have to say it.
I have to wonder.
You know, there are a lot of evil people out there.
Like, you know, what's going on in, uh... How do you pronounce it?
Xinjiang?
Xinjiang?
With the Uyghur Muslim camps?
Yeah, that's evil stuff, right?
The forced abortions, like, nightmarishly evil.
Rachel Maddow is a kind of evil, you know, but I wouldn't put her anywhere near, like, genocide level, but pretty evil in that she goes on her show and says things that any sane person, even a liberal leftist, would know is just crackpot, psychotic nonsense.
But she says it anyway, because she gets a lot of money for it.
nick sortor
Well, because she gets the ratings.
I mean, she was the highest rated caster on MSNBC, you know, and so she made a lot of money off of it.
She got huge ratings, and she continues to parrot these just, I mean, crazy, ludicrous narratives.
Like, yeah, Donald Trump, and she was one of the biggest proponents of the whole Russia hoax.
And, you know, and she continues to parrot that to this day, even though it's been debunked over and over again.
hannah claire brimelow
Because she has a monetary incentive to do that, right?
Absolutely she does.
There's no reason.
If she started being like, guys, I've changed my mind.
Not the case.
Her ratings would probably collapse.
All of the attention that her show gets would go away.
In some cases, the way our media works, it incentivizes people to get more and more crazy.
I mean, we see this.
tim pool
YouTube is the same.
hannah claire brimelow
Exactly.
You see it in independent media all the time that people will start saying more outlandish things.
I mean, let's think of like the Clipbaity thumbnails that people put out.
They might need to because it drives people to their channel.
On the other hand, like, are they always super accurate?
No.
I think with Rachel Maddow, what's interesting is there is an actual hysteria and fear underneath it all.
She really does seem to be personally panicked about Trump's influence on the country.
You don't think so?
tim pool
Absolutely.
If you watch it, it looks like she's just saying garble nonsense.
ian crossland
We should pull it up.
tim pool
I'll show you a bit of it.
rachel maddow
This morning, heading into what we knew would be two big important court hearings on these Trump cases today in federal court in Georgia and federal court in D.C.
Probably what he was planning, probably what he was thinking.
But per the New York Times, it does seem sort of significant that that's what he's now telling people.
That's what he's telling people he's going to do.
He will solve his jumble of legal problems by winning the election.
And, you know, whatever you think about that, that's how he's thinking about that.
unidentified
OK.
rachel maddow
And what does that say about the election for all of the rest of us?
Right.
It means in his own mind and those of his campaign and his supporters, presumably, these are the stakes.
And again, whatever you think about that as a legal strategy for Trump, that is how he
is thinking about the election.
tim pool
How many times was she going to say the same thing over and over again?
Just there, you know, she said, I think four times Trump's strategy to get rid of his legal
problems is to win the election.
Think about that.
What does that what do you think that means?
It doesn't.
What do you think it means?
No, no, no, no.
The point is, Rachel Maddow has no passion and is saying literally nothing.
She is pattering.
She is speaking words with no meaning to extend time.
The thing she is saying exists only in I got to get through this hour and then I'm going
to have lunch with the girls.
ian crossland
I would love to get her off script and interview her.
tim pool
She's not on script.
unidentified
She's probably just... She's got that MSNBC script up top.
rachel maddow
About the stakes of the election.
The election means one of two things.
If this is the way he's going to approach it.
tim pool
She keeps saying it over and over again.
rachel maddow
He loses the election and he goes to prison.
hannah claire brimelow
He wins the election.
He doesn't go to prison.
rachel maddow
And is that for life?
That he gets to be president?
Will we keep having more elections or no?
If every election is a new opportunity for him to go to prison, do you think he allows us to have new elections?
tim pool
What does that mean?
nick sortor
This is total fear-mongering.
Nobody believes that there is no avenue for Donald Trump to possibly be able to suspend elections.
What's he gonna do?
Suspend the Constitution to make it so that he's president for life?
Nobody actually believes that.
tim pool
So she's clearly Look, in that minute, she said, I think, maybe like 15 different words.
She explained nothing.
And she said over and over and over again, what you think about what Trump thinks, that means Trump thinks this.
And no matter what you think, that means Trump means this, which means in the election, Trump will think this and isn't tell supporters this.
And that means whatever you think, Trump thinks this like.
nick sortor
Did she explain at all how he would do that?
Did she explain that at all?
tim pool
Well, of course not.
hannah claire brimelow
No, he's just going to do it with the power of evilness.
tim pool
She doesn't believe anything she's saying.
She's not actually saying anything.
And this is the challenge.
You know, I think about you got the World Economic Forum, you will own nothing and you'll
be happy.
And you got these video clips where parents are like, my baby is, you know, going to get
the medication.
We're gonna sterilize the kid and stuff like that.
And I'm just like, at a certain point, what do you do when you're watching lemmings, I mean this figuratively, when you're watching them walk off a cliff?
Now I know Disney forced them off a cliff with a broom.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm making a point.
ian crossland
Yeah, lemmings don't actually walk off cliffs like that.
tim pool
Yeah, the Disney producers shoved them off with brooms like, Get out of here!
We're gonna film it and make money off you!
That's actually a good example of what this is.
ian crossland
People are mindlessly marching towards their own demise.
Do you step in?
tim pool
Well, we've been trying!
ian crossland
You are.
We are.
This show is doing that.
But not everyone's gonna listen.
You just can't grab them by the throat and pull them back or you'll be considered the aggressor.
You've got to let them go.
tim pool
Yeah, so we're watching them march toward the cliff and we're going, Stop!
Please!
Please don't do it!
And they're like, You're so crazy!
nick sortor
They're going off the ratings cliff, though.
I mean, come on, who watches MSNBC at this point?
unidentified
I mean, it's on at hotels and things.
ian crossland
I saw Chuck Todd over the weekend, and this is pretty funny.
I was listening to Chuck Todd, and he was like, the thing about Trump's election lies are, and I was like, dude, election claims.
Call them claims.
Don't make the assumption that they're lies.
Like, it was just the purport that it was a lie.
hannah claire brimelow
It's to make sure that you already know to be on guard to whatever Trump is saying.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was a tribalist, like a tribalist flag being raised.
Like, if you're part of our group, we all know, wink wink, that it's a lie anyway, so.
hannah claire brimelow
And a claim might imply that there's some credit to them, which they cannot allow, right?
There can't be any reason why he would be right in any way.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was a neutral, would have been a neutral statement, was to say, talk about his claims as opposed to...
tim pool
Uh, Rachel got 3.9 million viewers.
The number one show across all of television, including broadcast.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Beating up Fox News.
nick sortor
Wow, I mean, of course they beat up Fox News.
They fired Tucker.
I mean, what do you expect?
tim pool
Sure, but this is the point.
This is it.
Rachel Maddow is going to say, Trump will be president for life!
Next thing she's going to come out and she's got to increase it.
Now she's going to come out and be like, well, Trump's going to start rounding people up and then she's going to talk about trains and then she's going to talk about whatever it is that's going to terrify people and convince them they have to watch glued to it like some kind of disgusting drug.
ian crossland
I think she doesn't realize the power she has as an individual.
The people that are afraid of Donald Trump, that are afraid of some external power, don't realize the amount of power they have within their own community to prevent and buffer from that stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
See, but I think she wants it, right?
Like if she is the most popular show on television right now, And she gets to scare you.
And so you come back to listen to her every day to say, Rachel, what should I know?
You're telling me all these awful things.
You're really insightful.
She knows she has influence.
She knows she has power.
I think that's why she can present in a monologue like this that references nothing.
She repeats the same phrase over and over again.
She doesn't cite any facts.
She's not like, because this law would allow him to do whatever.
She's just speculating, knowing that people will be afraid of it.
nick sortor
She's banking on confirmation bias.
That's it.
That's all she's doing.
And she's good at it.
ian crossland
Meaning that she's assuming that her audience already believes her premise?
nick sortor
Absolutely.
Absolutely they do.
I mean, in my opinion, that is the reason that she is pulling, you know, three point something million viewers on her episodes.
I believe she only does like two or three episodes a week at this point.
She somehow gets away with that because, you know, she does have a lot of power.
Nobody watches any other show on MSNBC.
tim pool
She's retired, man.
nick sortor
Yeah.
tim pool
She checked out a long time ago.
I mean, come on, you go to any person.
How old is she?
Do you want to look up how old she is?
ian crossland
Yeah, I'll look it up.
tim pool
Is she, like, mid-late 40s?
hannah claire brimelow
I think she might even be older than that.
tim pool
Really?
hannah claire brimelow
She's been around for a long time.
ian crossland
Born in 73, so that would make her... 50?
48.
Currently 48.
nick sortor
73?
ian crossland
Born on April 1st!
Happy April Fool's Day, Rachel!
She was born one day before me.
tim pool
She was born in 1973.
Yeah, April 1st, 1973.
So she'd be 50.
She says she's 48.
ian crossland
Yeah, April 1st, 1973.
unidentified
No.
nick sortor
So she'd be 50.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
So she's 48.
No.
tim pool
So she'd be 50.
ian crossland
No, 48.
tim pool
She'll be... What year is it?
I mean, 49.
Yeah, because her birth is in April.
nick sortor
Okay.
ian crossland
So she was one in 1974.
tim pool
No, she'd still be 50.
ian crossland
So this probably looks out of date.
Either way.
tim pool
Yeah, she'd be 50.
nick sortor
She's up there.
ian crossland
What are you looking at?
nick sortor
Sorry for all the 50 plus year olds out there.
ian crossland
That is really weird.
tim pool
Anyway, she's retired, man.
unidentified
Come on.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm seeing 48 years old on this and she was born April 1st, 1973.
unidentified
It's like the tale of Lorenz.
tim pool
What are you looking at?
unidentified
Let's just...
ian crossland
Yeah, that would make her 50 for sure.
hannah claire brimelow
No, 50, yeah.
Wikipedia's pulling it right.
unidentified
50!
tim pool
I googled Rachel Maddow H. She's 50.
April 1st, 1973.
hannah claire brimelow
The first thing that comes up is that she's younger.
nick sortor
We got her info off of MSNBC.
ian crossland
ChatGPT's gonna feed us such trash for the next two decades.
nick sortor
I know.
tim pool
But what was the argument?
We knew when her birth year was.
ian crossland
It was like, turn right now.
tim pool
Is the year wrong?
ian crossland
The ocean's right there.
I'm like, turn right.
tim pool
Okay, anyway, the point is, she's retired.
She's 50.
And they went to her and said, what are you doing?
And she goes, I just want to go to sleep.
I'm just so tired and sad and pathetic.
And they're like, we'll give you $5 million to do a show once a week.
I guess, fine.
That's what she's doing.
That's why she's pattering on the show.
That's why she's going like, Donald Trump wants to be president.
That means he'll run for president.
And no matter what you think about that, he's going to tell his supporters he's running for president.
So you might not want to be president, but he's going to run.
And you know what that means?
He'll tell his supporters he's running.
No matter what it is you think, that's literally what she did.
Man, this lady's off her rocker.
hannah claire brimelow
It's wild.
Also, she's getting paid millions of dollars to do this.
Like, what a sweet gig, guys.
I don't know what to tell you.
nick sortor
What are they going to do, fire her?
I mean, if MSNBC doesn't have a network without Rachel Maddow, I mean, what else is anybody going to do?
I couldn't name another MSNBC host, to be honest with you.
tim pool
Chris Matthews.
nick sortor
I mean, I can see it right here.
ian crossland
Chris Matthews.
nick sortor
No, he got fired, actually, because he said something sexist.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Chris Hayes.
nick sortor
Ah, Chris Hayes.
tim pool
Is he also?
ian crossland
Chris Hayes, but Chuck Todd.
tim pool
He's on there, right?
Chuck Todd's NBC.
ian crossland
Yeah, MSNBC is Chris Hayes.
hannah claire brimelow
All in for Chris Hayes.
You got one!
nick sortor
Good point.
Who else do we have?
ian crossland
I have the feeling... Oh, I don't know.
tim pool
Oh, Brian Williams, right?
nick sortor
Because he got fired for being... For lying.
Yeah, lying.
He said he was in an Apache helicopter or whatever being shot by sniper fire.
tim pool
So we were all surprised to learn that a guy on cable TV news was lying to us.
And then they fired him.
hannah claire brimelow
And then MSNBC was like, he's our guy.
tim pool
That's right!
Sounds great!
ian crossland
I wonder if Rachel goes home at night and is like, I hate this job, I do not want to even think about politics, but she's getting paid 15 million dollars, what, a year?
nick sortor
You're like, just go, repeat the crap.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you're overlooking, like, the social position she's in.
tim pool
$20 million!
hannah claire brimelow
She's getting paid $20 million to barely say anything on television.
$24 million to go on TV and go... Right, she doesn't have to memorize any hard information.
I can't even believe that she, like, there's no way there's a script there.
But also, everyone wants to invite her to things and have her places.
Like, there is a social currency that she knows she has.
I think she wouldn't give up this job, even though she's not passionate about it.
ian crossland
If she started a new show that was less political, I think she'd still have a lot of followers.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you can't really step away from that prestige.
I think there is sort of something to being the female... I don't personally agree with it, but I think she has been told, you're this high-powered female political commentator, you have your own show.
It would be harder for her to transition to something like Oprah did, where she just goes around interviewing people.
I think there's an ego part to it.
Not that she should feel ashamed of it, but...
unidentified
What happened to... Hillary Clinton had her show.
Did that do well?
Is it cancelled?
Because I think that's a good... Yeah, she got her own show on a major streaming platform where she's gonna, like, interview other high-profile women and stuff, and they're gonna paint and stuff.
What I'm wondering is that would be a good kind of, like, thing to check to see how well Maddow would do on her own.
nick sortor
What's up with all these left-wing people painting nowadays?
I mean, there's just so much money in painting.
unidentified
George Bush, too.
nick sortor
Well, George... Well, I guess George Bush.
Well, I mean, he's not too right.
I don't know, but you see Hunter Biden, you know, he's now painting again.
He was doing it before, but he's now painting again and paying $15,600 per month in rent, but he can't pay child support for the granddaughter that Joe Biden bought.
hannah claire brimelow
They just decided to acknowledge.
nick sortor
No, they just decided to acknowledge, yep.
ian crossland
He's not paying child support for the kid?
hannah claire brimelow
No, he is.
nick sortor
Well, they're going to court over it, though, because he doesn't want to.
hannah claire brimelow
No, it got settled.
He's paying child support into it.
ian crossland
Do you know how much?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't because it's not disclosed.
The big thing was that he had a child support agreement.
He was trying to get out of it because he stopped making as much money, he said.
So he's like, it should be readjusted, which is something people do all the time.
And then also on top of that, he started arguing.
The child's mother said, well, my child should get to use the Biden last name because it's a prominent last name in the US.
It could potentially open doors for her.
And he was fighting really hard to stop that.
nick sortor
I believe Joe Biden kept saying, well I have six grandchildren, and you know, in reality he had seven, and he just refused to acknowledge the seventh grandchild.
hannah claire brimelow
Until like, what, a month ago?
And then they released a statement with people being like, we want what's best for all of our grandchildren, including this one.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from timgast.com.
Twelve-year-old kicked out of Colorado classroom over Gadsden flag patch.
The student returned to school Tuesday saying he would sit in to protest the school's decision.
This story has been going viral all day.
Don't tread on me on his backpack.
In a viral video, you can actually hear the teacher.
In this tweet from Connor Boyack, he says, meet 12-year-old Jaden who was kicked out of class yesterday in Colorado Springs serving a Gadsden flag patch, which the school claims has origins with slavery.
The school's director said via email that the patch was disruptive to the classroom environment.
Oh man, there's so much to talk about here.
Not only are they saying that the Gadsden flag was a symbol associated with slavery, they came out later saying actually it was about the guns and stuff he had on his bag.
And so now they're trying to change what actually went down because there is a what appears to be a secret recording of what was going on.
It seems that this family was well aware of what was going to happen.
Now, of course, if he had a, I don't know, a communist symbol on his back, they wouldn't say anything.
A lot of people have said if he had a pride flag, they'd cheer him on.
Well, duh.
But if he had, like, an actual communist Soviet Union flag on his bag, they would say nothing.
Despite, like, I don't know, the hundred plus million people that were killed by the Soviet Union, and if you want to count everybody, including, you know, uh, communist China, it's, uh, fairly substantive.
I just want to say, for the Gazan flag, we got one hanging in the garage, and it's basically a symbol of independence.
nick sortor
Well, I mean, we're talking about a teacher, right?
Somebody that should know this stuff.
She said that there were origins for, you know, the Civil War and slavery and stuff.
This actually had the... The Ganston flag originated in the Revolutionary War.
This isn't anything...
This shouldn't be a shock to anybody, but we keep going back and back and back, and we're gonna relate anything to slavery.
I worked in real estate before, and we had to change the name from Master Bedroom to Primary Bedroom or something like that.
More and more it keeps getting sucked into this slavery talk, even if it has nothing to do with it.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
Yeah, Darth Vader was a slave to the Emperor.
He called him Master plenty of times.
Neither of them were black dudes, it doesn't matter.
Slavery exists on Earth, deal with it.
hannah claire brimelow
Even today it exists.
ian crossland
I don't think this is glorifying slavery, this is like, get off my back, let me be an independent human.
hannah claire brimelow
This kid is, what, 12, so he's in like the 4th grade, 7th grade, maybe, I don't know.
It probably was not disruptive to any of his classmates.
It's disruptive to the teacher who decided they didn't like it, who then pulled him out of class and said, you can't be here.
We have to bring your mom in.
I love the secret video because the mom is clearly sticking her cell phone into her stroller.
She's got like another small child there.
I think this is such a strange example of adults having actual hysteria rather than Really monitoring what's going on in the classroom at all.
They're once again putting their will and their political agenda above everything else.
ian crossland
The question though, is it cool for a 12 year old, 6th grade I assume, 6th grade, to go into school with guns, a shirt with guns on it that says revolution?
Is that cool?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, different schools have different rules about that type of stuff, like whether you can, like, have a shirt with a gun on it or whatever else.
The thing is, he didn't.
They have this recorded video, it's the Gadsden flag, and then they're like, we've changed our mind.
Actually, this was the complaint.
It doesn't come up in the recorded meeting.
tim pool
Remember when the kid chewed the Pop-Tart into the shape of a gun and he got in trouble for it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, these schools are psychotic.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, kids used to get in trouble for, you know, if you're, like, playing, like, cops and robbers on the playground.
tim pool
Not when I was a kid.
unidentified
Well, I think this is like... Back when I was a kid, we had little cap guns.
tim pool
And you get the plastic orange cap gun, with the little metal, and then you get the roll of the red tape thing.
And then we also had the little caps, which were plastic, like a plastic, what would you call it?
ian crossland
Moon clips.
tim pool
And then you'd put it in and close it and it would go pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
We had those.
Now what?
A kid chews a Pop-Tart and he gets kicked out of school.
It's gonna keep happening because these people are insane.
nick sortor
They've had these cap guns since the, you know, what, the 50s?
ian crossland
Yeah, they didn't have orange tips on them for a long time.
tim pool
Exactly.
Let's be real, high schools used to have shooting clubs.
I mean, it's just, it's all going in one direction.
nick sortor
Right.
tim pool
Then you see these- there was a video I just watched of a guy in, um, where was he?
I think it was in California.
He's walking up to his doorstep with his keys to enter his home and guy- you see guys in masks follow him up and then just start beating the crap out of him and rob him and it's just like, man.
You know, that stuff could have happened at any point in history but now we're living in very dense urban areas where these guys know they can be armed because they don't care about the law and you can't.
And this is- this is- we're at schools There- I wonder if it's a natural tendency of densely packed urban environments that result in this, because we had the story from, uh, uh, Solzhenitsyn, about, uh, from the Gulag Archipelago, that, you know, a guy was being threatened with- by a knife, so he fought the guy and then stabbed the- the- the attacker, got arrested, and then when he was on trial, he was like, the guy was gonna kill me, what should I have done?
And they're like, you should have run!
It's like, so the- so, when you have a criminal who's armed, and going to kill you, well, that's crime.
But if it's you, you're the good citizen, you should know better.
When I look at these schools and how they all move in the same direction, history is bad, I wonder if it's the average person is docile, ignorant, uninterested in worldly affairs, and just goes through the motions.
And which means, unless you, as a politically thinking individual, someone with passions and opinions, if you are not actively pushing back, defending, say, the Gadsden flag, it all gets erased.
And we are moving now into that era where there are videos of people being victimized, and the victims get arrested.
Like, you know, that guy, Daniel Penney, I think his name was, in New York.
There's Perry and Penny, I don't want to confuse them.
We're in that because good men did nothing, as the saying goes.
And so the lazy, uninterested people take the path of least resistance.
Now we see it take the shape in police departments.
The cops are looking at these mass lootings and these robberies and they're like, I can't deal with that.
So what do they do?
Nothing.
But then when you are, uh, you know, let's say filing a legal challenge to an election.
Well, the cops absolutely had no problem doing their duties to arrest Donald Trump.
I saw that video when Trump was being arraigned.
I don't know if arraigned.
He was being arrested in Georgia and the cops are in front of and behind him.
And I'm like, these cops are trash.
They are willing to do... It is the easiest thing in the world.
Hey, do you want to arrest a guy because, you know, he's got a... Like he didn't pay child support?
Yeah, sounds easy!
Do you want to go arrest a guy who's an armed robber who's threatening to murder people in the street right now?
I ain't doing that!
And that's where we end up.
nick sortor
And they could, okay?
Because, I mean, you look at Georgia, Fulton County especially.
You have this DA, this woke DA, this George Soros-funded DA that is, you know, going after Donald Trump.
And it's not even just Donald Trump, it's all these other people.
You had the chair of the Georgia Republican Party, which all he did was, his crime was proposing a separate set of electors.
Okay, just in case it was proven that, uh, and, and I, I don't, I don't remember his name, it was David something.
Just in case it was, you know, there was evidence that was brought forward to, you know, possibly challenge the election results in Georgia.
And you also had, uh, Fonny Willis, which, I mean, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep with Fanny Willis because, I mean, she's a big fan.
tim pool
Oh, it's Fonny?
unidentified
Yeah, it's apparently Fonny.
nick sortor
I'm gonna call her Fanny.
I mean, I'm gonna continue with Fanny.
And, you know, she came out and she actually posted after the 2020 election saying that, hey, you know, why is it taking so long for these results to come out?
Why are we doing ballot dumps at three o'clock in the morning?
Even she was asking those questions.
Is she going to prosecute herself?
What's going on?
ian crossland
I don't think what she did was illegal.
You're allowed to question elections.
tim pool
Right.
What she's doing to Trump is unconstitutional.
nick sortor
Well, she's a hypocrite.
That's my point.
tim pool
But this is where we are.
All of these things are tied together.
Symbols of this nation's history are being banned in schools.
Right?
Since the 1619 Project, since before that, they have been lying about what this country is based on, what it's about, and why we have these symbols.
And you know what happens?
I saw this tweet from, I don't know who this person is, some woman, saying, I'm so sorry I offended you.
Apparently she had gone on Facebook and said, puberty blockers are a trick by pharmaceutical companies to harm children, blah blah.
And then it resulted in a big backlash, and she went, I'm so sorry, please!
Oh, you spineless piece of garbage.
Come on.
This is the problem.
How can you know that injustice is happening, and evil is rising, and just be like, I better apologize and get on my knees for evil?
Just, it's just, it's just disgusting.
nick sortor
They're afraid to getting cancelled.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
That's it.
They're letting evil win for their own selfish, pathetic reasons.
ian crossland
What was Martin Luther King's quote, I think, is the only... All that evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
tim pool
That wasn't, uh, that was... Einstein?
ian crossland
Some really historically famous figure.
tim pool
Well, that was the quote I was referencing.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Meaning that you don't have to do good to make the world good.
You just need to stop evil when you see it.
Or speak, or call it out so that society stops it.
nick sortor
The left used to be about this, too.
Edmund Burke.
I mean, who was it?
John Lewis that said, you know, get into good trouble?
Right?
What happened to that?
I mean, it, you know, we're talking about the right, you know, calling things out, calling things out as they, as they should be, you know, such as, you know, if you see election fraud, how about, you know, call it out?
Yeah, it's really weird when you have ballots coming in and, you know, by truckloads at three o'clock in the morning.
Okay.
Why not question that?
Is that not allowed to be investigated at this point?
You're going to end up in jail?
Because all this is now is an intimidation tactic.
And people are going to be afraid to say anything in the future.
And that seems to be the goal.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think it is the goal.
Because I don't think it's about morality or values.
Like you're saying, if there's election fraud, you should call it out because that's wrong and that hurts the system, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And they're saying that's true if it benefits our team.
Because everything comes down to these two parties that have to control power and ultimately, you know, So it might actually be John Stuart Mill.
tim pool
They say the Edmund, Reuters says Edmund Burke is a false attribution because no one really knows exactly, but of course the phrase, the saying is, the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
And John Stuart Mill allegedly has a quote where he said, where is it at?
Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends than that good men should look on and do nothing.
There you go.
ian crossland
Amen.
tim pool
And that's what bothers me about everything.
These people who would watch the world burn so they can sit among the ashes.
It's like, well, I'd prefer to try and put the fire out.
I think it's a Sun Tzu quote, I could be wrong, that evil men will burn down their nation, their country, so that they can rule over the ashes.
And weak men will watch their nation burn so they can sit among the ashes.
For what purpose would you- I ask you, citizen, for what purpose do you have to sit among the ashes of fallen ruins?
You're not gonna survive.
I know, that's the thing where they're like- You'll experience no joy.
ian crossland
Like, the phoenix must burn to be born again.
I'm like, dude, the phoenix is a fantasy arc character.
You don't burn your city down to make it better.
That makes no sense.
tim pool
Well, for the extremists, it does.
They're not burning down their city, they're burning down your city.
Your city is in opposition to their world.
ian crossland
So... I guess if you can, like, sneak into a foreign country that you hate and want to see destroyed and then act like you're a protester of that country and get their... to burn their own cities... Like the CIA.
Yeah, mad tech.
nick sortor
Tim, who is running this country?
I want your opinion on that.
Who is running this country at this point?
Because, I mean, Joe Biden is clearly not running this country.
tim pool
He's not... Nobody's running it.
Nobody's right, so we're... No, I think there's various and disparate factions of powerful individuals who are fighting over power.
I think some people are more responsible for the destruction than others.
But I think, ultimately, you do have Republicans.
You've got some that are anti-establishment, some that are uniparty, neocon establishment.
You, of course, have powerful Democrats.
Their interests align in certain areas.
You have the World Economic Forum in their interests.
You have NATO.
No one is controlling everything in this nation.
There are just different power bases that influence different sectors of the country, some being more powerful than others.
The most powerful block, of course, is the woke establishment.
These are the people that want war in Ukraine, support it, and also, you know, want to sterilize kids.
It's a weird amalgam of people.
They are not the most powerful, nor are they in control of everything.
That's exemplified by the fact that Bud Light actually is taking a massive hit, and businesses can go under if we don't buy their products.
If we were actually in a totally centralized totalitarian state, then the woke establishment would be able to snap their fingers, and there's no question the beer for Bud Light is bought, and anyone who spoke up would be gulagged.
We're not there yet.
So it still is various power centers in this country.
Joe Biden does have the reins to one portion of it, But I can't say for sure.
I do think it's fair to say the woke establishment controls the most, and this includes neocons, neolibs, and the left.
But I think they're actually losing control, which is why they're engaging in acts of desperate, unconstitutional indictments, etc.
They're going to lose the cultural front.
So the only thing they can do is swing the hammer that they're holding for the time being.
ian crossland
Who do you think is running the show?
nick sortor
So I'm not, I'm not exactly sure.
And it's really hard to say.
I think that there are, I think, you know, somebody like, and I know we're, you know, getting into really specific things here, but like Jake Sullivan, you know, National Security Advisor for Joe Biden.
He was National Security Advisor, I believe, for Barack Obama as well.
There are a lot of Obama holdovers.
hannah claire brimelow
There's a ton, and they keep bringing them in.
White House special counsel, every single one of them has been affiliated with the Obama administration.
nick sortor
And so you're like, OK, how did they get to that point?
OK, you know, was it how much involvement does Barack Obama have in the current administration?
Because, you know, all the policies seem to be, you know, echoing Obama policies as well.
And, you know, I can't help but think That this man, I mean, are we actually looking at a third Obama term?
ian crossland
Jake Sullivan, you mentioned?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
As far as I know, he's the guy that Hillary sent most of the emails to that were classified of her 30,000 emails or so.
So many of them were cc'd to Jake.
She just sent them to Jake.
Take it, Jake.
Take it, Jake.
I don't know.
nick sortor
He also led the Afghanistan withdrawal as well.
So, I mean, the guy is a disaster.
But he is pretty much running- you have Lloyd Austin, right?
Which is supposedly running the Defense Department.
In reality, it's Jake Sullivan.
He's the one calling the shots, and it's scary because he was a disaster during the Obama administration, he's a disaster now.
ian crossland
I'm glad we're calling out his name in his face, because this guy, up to this point, hasn't- People need to know.
Yes.
Jake Sullivan.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think that's the thing everyone talked about when Obama or when Biden was campaigning that how much of this would just be the third Obama term.
And did we want that?
Right.
But Biden consistently proves that his administration is is headless.
Right.
He is not a strong leader himself.
I think there's obvious signs of tension within the administration.
And from what I felt like I just said, they the the third White House council is stepping down to be replaced with yet another It's like a rule by committee in the executive branch, which is where you're not supposed to have a committee.
You're supposed to have a president and the committee is Congress.
You have the legislative branch for that.
themselves. So we are not seeing solutions. We're just seeing a scramble to try and go back to what they might
refer to as the good old days with no true effectiveness.
ian crossland
Right. It's like a rule by committee in the executive branch, which is where you're not supposed to have a
committee. You're supposed to have a president. And the committee is Congress. You have the legislative branch for
that. So we don't we don't need a committee. This pushing Biden's hands around.
nick sortor
They know that they have full autonomy at this point because Joe Biden's not hiring and firing anybody.
You know, they have full autonomy.
They can do whatever they want to do.
So that is the scariest part.
tim pool
Let's talk about the story from The Daily Caller.
House GOP will launch probe into Biden administration's response to Maui fires.
I would also just add they probably need a response into the House Hawaiian government's response to the fires as well as the Lahaina and Maui governmental responses to the fires.
There's a lot of questions there.
They say the House Oversight and Accountability Committee will conduct an inquiry into the Biden administration's response to the fires which began on August 8th and completely devastated the town of Lahaina.
The federal response to the calamity has drawn intense scrutiny from locals and the media who have slammed Joe Biden's response.
So what did he give them?
Look at this, people flicking him off, screaming at him, cussing at him.
Here he comes after 13 days.
What did he do?
He gave everyone 700 bucks, is that it?
nick sortor
Yeah, so he gave them... Originally, they said that they were going to give everybody that was displaced, both, you know, physically and economically, they were going to get $700 and more.
That was the original promise to the people of Maui.
Because, you know, you gotta keep in mind that 70-80% of Maui's economy is tourism.
And originally the government, both the state and federal government, said, don't come to Maui.
Maui is closed.
Okay, so all these people lost their jobs.
I'm over there.
Staying in a hotel in one of the biggest tourist areas in Hawaii, and there's nobody there.
It's empty.
It's quiet.
So all these people, they've all been laid off.
And then FEMA walks it back and says, well, we're no longer giving you money.
Once the press pressure went away, they started walking it back.
And so what people there want to know is, Why?
Why does the Biden administration have to be forced to do anything?
And $700 in Hawaii, everything in Hawaii is extremely expensive.
That's like a half week's pay for most of these people.
And a lot of these people have lost everything.
And, you know, they work two and three jobs, and they've lost two out of those three jobs.
It's so infuriating to so many people there, but they don't want to speak out because they're afraid.
ian crossland
Afraid of what?
nick sortor
They're afraid of repercussions.
I'm going to be honest with you, my experiences with the Hawaiian government, with the Maui government, They're one of the most authoritarian governments in the United States, okay?
I had a run-in with the mayor of Maui, and I posted that video.
It went pretty viral, got, you know, like 15 million views or something like that, where I started pressing him, and he had his police force there put me in a headlock so that I could not continue to ask him questions.
All the other media were allowed to ask him questions.
I was not allowed to because I was asking tough questions.
He they do not want to be held accountable. They are afraid of looking bad because these
politicians they these are their goals here. It's to get elected, stay elected and get elected to
higher office. What were you asking him? I was asking him what what was going on? They know.
Okay, they found 115 cadavers at this point. They know how many of them are children.
And I had experts that were coming to me and telling me, like pathologists, that were saying it's very easy to identify.
If you find a corpse, you can identify whether or not that was a child.
You can go back 2,000 years and be able to identify whether or not that corpse was a child.
They're hiding that number because they're protecting their own butts.
That's all they're doing.
ian crossland
There's 1,000 to 2,000 people, quote, missing.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
But it's been like two weeks.
I mean, is that the assumption just to say those people are dead?
nick sortor
So I went there, I was there for 13 days, okay?
That number went from 110, it's now at 115.
The death rate?
Yes.
And now we're talking, you know, there's still, you know, between 800, it depends on what list you're looking at, you know, 800 to 1,000 plus people that are missing.
Okay.
Where are they?
When are we going to declare, you know, other people dead?
I mean, it's... Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
In intense heat, bodies melt.
tim pool
Well, there'd be skeletons and stuff.
ian crossland
I worked at Ground Zero.
Well, I guess none of the bones No, the bones melt.
I was working at Ground Zero, and the firemen would come in at 9-11.
I worked there after the cleanup, and the firemen would come in.
It was so hot under the pile, molten steel flowing.
And they'd be like, yo, they think we're gonna find bodies.
They find wet, twizzlery substance.
That's all that's left over.
And if there's a fireman jacket, you know it was a fireman, because that's heat-resistant, and they'll wrap it up in a flag.
But that's it.
That's all you find.
And the rest of it's liquefying and going into the East River.
nick sortor
And it might be, but here's the thing that they're doing.
They are hiding information that they have because they're waiting for it to go away.
They want the media to go away because the media can only stay there for so long, right?
It's very expensive to stay in Hawaii.
ian crossland
So, if it turns out that 2,000 people burned to death because government didn't give the water, like, I just heard, and you confirmed it before the show, but tell me about it, that people within the Hawaiian government, the Maui government, withheld the water from the fire department so they could not put the fire out.
nick sortor
Right, because, you know, the whole thing out there, look, the Hawaiian government, the Maui government, they're very liberal, okay?
It's one of the most liberal states in the US.
You think California's liberal?
Hawaii is two steps to the left from there.
I mean, it's crazy.
And so, you know, we're talking about One of the reasons that the fire got so bad is because they don't do any sort of fire management out there.
It's because they want it to be natural, just as the land, you know, as it was before.
That's the government.
You have all these people lobbying the government for that reason.
We're not talking residents.
We're talking environmental groups that have a lot of power out there.
Uh, and so they're, they're diverting water away from these towns.
And so you have people that were more than capable, even firefighters that lived in Lahaina that were unable to put the fires out in their own houses because there was no water.
Uh, there wasn't enough water that was being sent to Lahaina.
And so you have firefighters that are on scene that can't do anything at all.
They can't put out the fires.
They have no ability.
tim pool
I've heard this rumor going around, a lot of people talking about it, that they set up a roadblock to get out.
nick sortor
Yes.
tim pool
And people were turned around to go back into the fires, but some people just broke through the barricade and ignored it.
nick sortor
Those are the ones that survived.
tim pool
Is that true?
nick sortor
That is 100% true.
Wow.
That is why you see the videos on Front Street.
That is the main road.
And just being in Lahaina for 10 days, I was on the ground there, there's one road in, one road out.
Okay.
You... If they're blocking that road, you're not going anywhere.
tim pool
Why were they blocking it?
nick sortor
Because there were downed power lines.
Okay?
But here's the thing.
You have Hawaiian Electric coming out now.
Maui County is suing Hawaiian Electric, saying that their power lines sparked the fire.
Okay?
Whether or not that's true is, you know, a different argument, but When the roads were blocked, the Maui County government was saying that the power lines were electrified.
Okay?
That's why they couldn't let anybody through.
That's their claim.
Now, when Hawaii Electric is saying, oh yeah, no, they weren't electrified at that point, there's no reason that these people couldn't have gone through.
So, but the people that did break through the barricades and drove over those lines, they didn't have any sort of effect from it.
The effect that they had was that they survived.
The other people burned in an inferno.
Wow.
ian crossland
So it sounds like the government's making a false claim that the power lines were active?
tim pool
So there's a barricade.
What was the barricade, do you know?
nick sortor
So, I mean, they had cops that were blocking the road.
tim pool
But at a certain point, the fire got so bad, those cops had to flee too, right?
nick sortor
Yeah, well, so, but the people that were near the end of the barricade, or, you know, closest to the end of that road, they were able to... It was blocked all the way through the fire, actually.
But they were far enough away, the cops were far enough away, that, you know, the people that were closer to the front of the line, they ended up surviving the fire.
It was the people, because the line was so long, that it's a two-lane road going all the way back.
tim pool
The people that were near the center... Are there buildings on both sides of the road, or is there access to water?
nick sortor
So, all the roads were blocked.
Let's make that clear.
But the front street, which is the main road there in Lahaina...
That one was blocked as well.
That is the main road.
tim pool
I'm saying to the right.
nick sortor
If you had water on the... So if you're driving out of the town, you had water on the left side.
tim pool
So people, I'm assuming, got out of their cars and jumped into the water.
nick sortor
Some of them were bailing, but some of them that were bailing into the water also died because it was too late.
The fire was already engulfing these buildings.
You had a lot of wind.
tim pool
Yeah.
nick sortor
And that fire was crossing into the water.
tim pool
A lot of people don't realize how hot fire is.
No joke.
Obviously, you've had a campfire and you felt the heat.
Stand in front of a building fire and the fire can extend a hundred plus feet.
And it's you're like, whoa, and you're backing up.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
When I was, I tell the story about when I was in Ferguson, driving down the road, seriously, like a hundred feet away from a burning building and inside the car with the windows up, it felt like my face was in front of a campfire.
And I was like, damn, like we got to move.
That's too hot.
It's crazy.
nick sortor
And this we're talking 80 mile an hour winds that are blowing the heat into you.
ian crossland
People, you're saying people burned to death in their car waiting to get out and held at a stop by the police and they burned to death while they were waiting?
nick sortor
Absolutely.
Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
And that's why they don't want to talk about this.
That is why they're trying to brush this all under the rug, because there were so many people that died in their cars.
There are children that were found in like car seats in the car, very young children that were burned to death.
They found the cadavers.
And, you know, that is a... that's infuriating to people, especially residents that were there.
Like, their children were killed because they were burned to death, because the government is totally inept on every single level.
tim pool
We do have a Super Chat.
Jack Fox is saying, Bones don't melt or burn.
After a person is cremated, they're put into a... what is it?
What it says?
They're put into a machine that pulverizes them into dust.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
I've never... I don't know.
Someone want to fact check that?
ian crossland
They're softened.
Man, this reminds me of Uvalde, where the cops wouldn't let the people go in to save their own kids, and they're like, no, you can't, it's too dangerous, we're gonna not go in at all.
What in the fuck?
Look, at some point, get out of the way.
hannah claire brimelow
Bones don't burn during cremation, is what I'm seeing.
tim pool
Wow, look at that.
nick sortor
Yeah, and these people I'm telling you right now so one of the biggest things that happened here You know first of all blocking the roads.
I'm sorry if I'm a cop and I see an inferno that is about to come incinerate There's hundreds of people that are trying to drive down a road.
I'm sorry, I don't care what the commander is saying.
I'm moving out of the way.
tim pool
But these cops are evil.
ian crossland
Well, they thought there was an electrified power line, so they actually were probably given bad information by the commanders.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the banality of evil.
nick sortor
I don't care.
You drive over a live power line slow enough, you're fine.
I'm sorry, they're going to survive that more than they're going to survive an inferno.
I mean, I'm sorry, I'm going to let you do what you want to do.
If you want to drive around in the grass, people were able to do that.
Drive around in the grass.
I'm not going to stop you.
And, you know, a lot of these cops, they are now still simping for the county government.
And it's crazy.
It's like, do these people, they have no shame?
What is it?
At some point, you have to, not a single Maui cop has come out and spoken out against They probably have immense guilt that they murdered those people on the road.
unidentified
Absolutely.
nick sortor
Yeah.
And people need to be in jail for this.
People absolutely need to be in jail.
unidentified
Who?
nick sortor
Well, especially the Maui Emergency Management Administrator.
Okay?
Because this is the guy that decided that he wasn't going to turn on any of the sirens.
He was going to... He said that if we turned on the sirens and people were gonna come out of their houses, then we're gonna run uphill into the fire.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe that the people of Ohio were stupid enough to walk out of their houses and run into a burning inferno.
I'm sorry, they weren't gonna do it.
hannah claire brimelow
And why have the sirens at all if not to warn about fire, right?
nick sortor
If you go on the Hawaiian government's website, you will see that it says the sirens are multi-purpose.
They're supposed to be used for dam breaks, terrorist attacks, wildfires, tsunamis, all of this stuff.
I mean, there's a laundry list of things.
So basically what they did, he got up there and lied, okay?
So if anything, he's guilty of negligent homicide.
Okay, because it was his decision that ended up killing all of these people, all of these elderly folks and children, the adults that lived in the town, like the parents, because I said they worked two and three jobs.
They're outside of the town.
They work in the tourism industry, so they're way outside of the town.
They're in other parts of Maui and, you know, it's probably 45 minutes away.
That's where a lot of them work.
So they couldn't get back there in time, especially because the roads were blocked.
I mean, it's infuriating, but again, they're trying to brush it under the rug.
ian crossland
What time did the fire start?
nick sortor
It was about mid-afternoon, and so that's why a lot of these parents were at work.
They couldn't get home to their children, and schools were closed.
tim pool
Why?
nick sortor
Because the power was out.
Which goes back against Maui County government's argument.
Them saying that, oh, well, the fire started because, and the lines were live when the fire started.
tim pool
That could be why the power was out, right?
nick sortor
Well, because they shut the power down.
tim pool
Lines went down, started a fire, they shut the power down.
nick sortor
So, three o'clock in the morning the night before is when the power, when the lines started going down.
tim pool
Early that morning.
nick sortor
Yes.
So we're talking, so there was a 10-hour difference and then one of the brush fires started about 1 p.m.
Okay, so we're talking 10 hours here.
And then they said that 1 p.m.
brush fire was 100% contained.
They sent the firefighters to another part of Maui, to Kula.
Which is probably about 45 minutes away to fight a fire out there.
So there were no firefighters, for the most part, except for off-duty ones that were in Lahaina at that point.
That 100% contained fire ended up spreading ferociously throughout the town.
There was no water.
There were no firefighters.
What are you going to do about it?
ian crossland
My guess is I would have went into the ocean.
I mean, it's not like... I did see a video of people that went into the ocean and survived, and it was like 10 hours in the standing water.
nick sortor
Not all of them survived.
tim pool
But you're in smoke, too.
So the smoke inhalation could still get you.
I mean, that was the crazy thing, watching these videos of people standing in the water, and they are in a cloud of smoke.
ian crossland
So it's possible that some of the missing people... Older people, yes.
nick sortor
There are a lot of people that have died in the water.
Because you pass out, you're in the water, you pass out from smoke inhalation, you're gonna drown.
Because you're going to fall down, you're in the water.
tim pool
And then you get washed away and people don't find you.
nick sortor
They will not find you.
And they're trying.
They are actually down there.
There is a big search effort in the water still, to this day, from the day that I left.
I was there three days ago.
I'm going back this week.
And they have a huge search effort in the water, but the death count still hasn't gone up because they're not finding any bodies in there.
They know people died in the water.
tim pool
This is the problem with Chicken ranch government.
Nanny state governing or chicken ranch governing.
That the police say, we know what's best for you.
We won't inform you about what's going on.
Shut up and do as you're told.
And then you die.
hannah claire brimelow
Which Hawaii has had very intensely, probably always, but definitely in the last couple of years with COVID, they had some of the most intense COVID restrictions and therefore had tested how compliant their population was.
I'm curious, I don't know if you can speak to this, but what's the reaction from the islands around it?
I mean, like, do the other communities kind of parrot the same lines as, you know, Lahaina did the best they could?
Or are they critical of how Lahaina managed the fires?
nick sortor
So it's actually very, it's a very polarizing issue out there.
Most people, even a lot of the Democrat-leaning people that I've spoken with out there are like, this was a catastrophic failure of government.
You know, the people that they voted for, they have totally lost faith in these people.
These people got very comfortable.
The mayor, especially, and the governor of Hawaii, both very liberal Democrats.
They got very comfortable out there.
They thought it was a very blue state.
And even the people that are typically their voter base are now questioning whether or not that's a good decision, because they've gotten way too authoritarian, and there's no sign of that going back.
They are, right now, they are putting so much pressure on the people to try to maintain that power, maintain that grip on the narrative, that a lot of people are waking up.
And that's, honestly, that's not due to the mainstream media.
That's due to independent journalists that are calling them out.
ian crossland
I keep thinking about how the cops stopped people on the road where they burned to death alive.
Obviously, they were alive if they died, but that's the most... I mean, it's not like Soviet lockdown because they weren't throwing them in gas chambers, but like, they held them in a gas chamber.
nick sortor
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the banality of evil.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
The idea that the individual cops didn't think they were doing anything wrong.
They thought they were doing something good.
But in fact, they are responsible for the death of all these people.
If the cops were not there, some people may have run over power lines.
I mean, who knows?
But a lot more people would have just driven out of this disaster zone and survived.
nick sortor
Well, I'm sorry, I cover disasters.
That's what I do.
Okay, I've covered tornadoes, I've covered hurricanes.
You can drive over live power lines.
Okay?
Just don't, you know, don't speed over it.
ian crossland
Why?
nick sortor
Why can you drive over?
ian crossland
Yeah, or why is faster worse?
nick sortor
Well, because, I mean, you risk shooting that line up into the frame of your vehicle, and you don't want to do that, a live line.
But, I mean, you have rubber tires, you drive over it slowly, you're fine.
I mean, hell, you could even go over, you know, I drive a Jeep 30 miles an hour over the line, you're not going to toss it up.
I mean, you have to be going really fast to toss that line up.
It's not a good idea unless you have to drive over it, okay?
But, you know, in this case, I refuse to believe that these cops are stupid.
Okay, and that they saw these, this fire coming, and I can't for the life of me, even, you can watch the videos.
Why would you not let the people through?
You see the videos of them continuing to block these people, even seeing the inferno incinerating the buildings right in front of the street that they're blocking.
I can't fathom it.
tim pool
Evil.
Yeah.
Evil is not just a mustache-twirling villain.
It is the dopey henchman being like, I don't know, he told me to do it.
ian crossland
Yeah, stupid leadership.
I don't normally think of it as evil, but it doesn't mean they're not going to get ousted.
tim pool
But I don't mean stupid leadership.
Obviously, there are people here who are in charge who are more likely to be evil.
I'm saying those cops watching fires speed up upon people and then being like, nope, you stay.
That's evil.
nick sortor
You take an oath to protect and serve, okay?
You don't take an oath to your commander.
tim pool
That's how it is these days.
nick sortor
Do you know who the chief of police is?
tim pool
Oh, it's the guy, it's the same guy as, uh, what you call it?
nick sortor
The Las Vegas shooting.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
What do you mean, it's the same guy?
tim pool
Same guy.
ian crossland
The same police chief of Maui is the same guy in Vegas?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
When he moved jurisdictions?
hannah claire brimelow
Policies get recruited to like other major cities.
tim pool
You know what's funny?
There's like a big conspiracy theory about it and I'm kind of just like, maybe this guy's really, really bad at his job, which is why it's falling.
Like, you know, when they say, if you smell crap, check your boot.
They use the actual, you know, they swear when they say it, but we'll keep it family friendly.
So this guy is just like really bad at his job.
ian crossland
Is he the guy that ordered the cops to blockade the road?
tim pool
He probably is.
I don't know.
nick sortor
He has the ultimate say.
So, here's the other part.
I was unable to find the chief of police the entire time.
I was able to find the mayor one time.
Which is why I hit him as hard as I did.
tim pool
Let's pull this up.
Casino.org, for some reason, has a story.
Maui's top cop, now in spotlight, previously led Las Vegas Strip Command for LVMPD.
Well, so there you go.
How this guy is failing up is beyond me, but congratulations to him for constantly getting a job and then, you know, dropping the ball, to say the very least.
ian crossland
What happened in- What a track record.
You said it was during that Vegas shooting that he was the chief of police?
nick sortor
He was the- he led the- the Las Vegas Strip.
tim pool
Commander of the policing district that includes the Las Vegas Strip, during which he played a key role in the response to the October 1st, 2017 mass shooting.
ian crossland
And then, is this like, you said it was an upgrade.
tim pool
I mean, obviously he lives in Maui, that's pretty much... Well, right, he's like, I'm getting out of here, I'm gonna go get a job somewhere else, and then this happens, and it's like, man, this guy should be fired.
nick sortor
Right.
Right.
No, he shouldn't have a job.
unidentified
I mean, and all of a sudden... He needs to change career paths.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like this isn't working out for him.
nick sortor
Right.
Yeah.
So, but this has been, this is not a story that you're seeing in the mainstream media all the time.
And why?
Okay, why are they not wanting to hold these people accountable?
Because this stuff is going to continue to happen.
Unless, unless they're held accountable.
hannah claire brimelow
We were talking about this a little bit before the show.
Do you feel like there's any feeling among mainstream media that you're not supposed to criticize, like, FEMA, people who rush into disasters, people who are, like, the emergency response, they're sort of protecting them in some way?
They feel obligated to say nothing because they're not supposed to criticize people who are, like, the heroes, so to speak?
nick sortor
Yeah, so first off, I'll start by saying that FEMA is a disaster in and of themselves.
They've always been.
I mean, you look back as far as Katrina, and that's just how they are.
They're not good at what they do.
I mean, they have a multi-billion dollar budget, but are still incapable of all the disasters that I've ever covered.
Mayfield, Kentucky tornadoes wiped out the entire town.
Okay, Eastern Kentucky flooding wiped out entire towns there, too.
They come in, they make big promises, And then they disappear once the media attention goes away.
It's the same thing here.
It's the same thing in East Palestine.
They actually didn't even go to East Palestine until we forced them to go.
Okay?
Because, you know, these people have been inundated by toxic gases, their soil's contaminated, their water's contaminated, and finally FEMA comes in.
What's happening now?
Not really much!
FEMA kind of backed out of the entire situation, and they're doing the same thing here.
They're already starting to back out, as I said earlier, where they made all these promises about all this money for people that were economically displaced, and now they're like, well, yeah, we're not really going to do that.
This is an executive branch agency, okay?
They are under the command of the President of the United States, so he has ultimate jurisdiction.
over FEMA.
Why is he not doing more?
Why is the FEMA administrator like seemingly totally inept and funny enough the FEMA administrator right now her name is Deanna something don't remember her her exact name she was in charge of New York City's COVID response as well which was obviously as we know New York City had one of the most disastrous COVID responses in the country. This is Deanne Criswell? Deanne
Criswell. Yep. She is currently the FEMA administrator.
So, I mean, it's like, what is it? Why are we not taking this organization more seriously?
We're talking about people's lives and livelihoods. Is it that FEMA is only as effective as the president?
So, I mean, like I said, the president has a lot of power over FEMA.
Why isn't he doing more?
I'm sorry, but people's lives and livelihoods, American citizens, okay?
The people that I am... My first goal as President of the United States would be to... It's protect.
Protect my citizens, right?
And make sure that when you have a... This is no fault of their own, okay?
The people of Lahaina did not do this to themselves.
Okay, so, in my opinion, the federal government should be able to- I mean, we're sending twenty- what, just a couple weeks ago, twenty-three billion more to Ukraine?
How come we're sending, you know, a total of, to the Lahaina residents, under two million dollars in relief aid to them?
ian crossland
What would FEMA do?
Like, I did a little Hurricane Sandy.
I did some cleanup in Staten Island, and it was, like, flooding.
So, we brought water, blankets.
What else would FEMA do?
There's mold.
Everything was molding, so they had to clear out all the moldy stuff.
But, like, what more?
Is it just only so much that they can do, and then they're like, we were tapped out, sorry for the false hope?
Or is it that they're just not doing what they can do?
Like, what could they do to help these people in the Haina?
nick sortor
Well, first off, they give false hope every single time.
Every single time they get involved in anything, it's false hope.
Okay, people see FEMA coming in, they're like, yay, FEMA!
FEMA is, I mean, they're not underfunded, they have plenty of money.
They have plenty of money.
But, so, right now, so August 25th was the deadline for housing.
Okay, so if you were staying with a friend, or if you were displaced by FEMA, Okay.
And you were, uh, staying with a friend.
Not displaced by FEMA.
Displaced by the fire.
Okay?
In Lahaina.
You had until August 25th to do something about it.
Okay?
If you're staying with a friend or something, and, you know, you didn't react by, you have a lot on your plate.
If everything you know, everything you have, is, you know, been incinerated.
They're not helping you at this point.
They're not giving you anything.
They're not giving you the $700.
They're not paying for your hotel room.
They're not doing anything.
Why?
Why is it where the only people that are setting up the food banks, giving people clothing, collecting goods, water, all of that, it's all being done by the community and non-profit organizations.
Every single person from Lahaina that I spoke with Said the same thing.
The Red Cross is useless.
FEMA is useless.
They don't even try.
Okay?
They have to go to individual community organizations.
tim pool
That's always how it is.
Which is sad!
nick sortor
What do we pay taxes for?
tim pool
Well, modern monetary theory suggests that to control for inflation, they need to take money out of the economy, because as they just mass print it and use it for wars at their discretion, then that leads to inflation problems in the underlying economy, so they'll use taxes to pull that money back out.
ian crossland
You said they were going to give everybody $700 and then they pulled that back?
Or did they actually give everybody the $700?
nick sortor
Well, so they gave some people $700.
They were supposed to give people that were economically displaced as well.
People that lost, like I said, a lot of people there have two and three jobs because it's 80-90% tourism is the economy out there.
Those people that were economically displaced, that were fired, that were laid off, whatever, they didn't get anything at this point.
So they are struggling to get by.
And so some people, very few people, ended up getting that $700 that added up to under $2 million.
$1.9 million is what they ended up paying out.
ian crossland
Hawaii, a lot of people want to go to Hawaii.
Is now a good time to go?
nick sortor
Absolutely.
Right now, Maui is open.
Lahaina is closed.
ian crossland
Really?
nick sortor
Is it awesome?
ian crossland
You were just there like, is it amazing?
nick sortor
Well, so, to be honest with you, I didn't do any, I didn't see a beach, I didn't do any of that.
hannah claire brimelow
You saw a lot of burned buildings, I'm assuming.
nick sortor
I saw a lot of burned buildings.
That's what I was doing, but where I was staying was typically, because it was the cheapest area on Maui at this point, was the tourist area, because there is nobody there.
This is where all these people worked in these massive resorts and stuff.
I stayed in a, I'm not going to say, because I'm going to go back there, but a very small motel.
And, you know, there is a beach.
It was beachfront.
I never stepped foot in the sand or anything, but there's nobody there.
Nobody at the beach.
Nobody in the tourist area.
These people need, in order to recover, and any of them will tell you that at this point, they need tourism back.
So the fact that the government is saying, don't come to Maui, is ridiculous.
ian crossland
I'd like to see maybe a federal subsidization of tickets to Hawaii from the mainland to get people to go fly there.
That'd be cool.
nick sortor
So I will just say, Tim paid more to get me here than I paid to go to Hawaii.
ian crossland
Oh, so it's cheap.
So how much is it to get to Hawaii and back, roughly average?
nick sortor
750 round trip from Kentucky.
ian crossland
Oh, man.
tim pool
From Kentucky!
hannah claire brimelow
Which is crazy!
ian crossland
Wow!
nick sortor
That is a long... That's 10 hours worth of flying.
tim pool
And you're saying that by going on your Hawaii vacation, you're actually helping the victims of this, uh... You're doing a public service by going on a vacation to Hawaii.
You're doing your civic duty by going on vacation to Hawaii.
unidentified
Exactly.
nick sortor
So I'm telling you guys...
Come to Hawaii.
Do it.
I mean, that's exactly what needs to happen right now because if FEMA is not helping them, the state government's not helping them, the only people that can help them right now are people that are traveling out there.
ian crossland
We should go do a show in Hawaii.
nick sortor
I'm totally down with that.
ian crossland
That's hot.
tim pool
It's not so easy to just pull off at the last minute.
ian crossland
Go to disaster zones and do a show.
hannah claire brimelow
Just pack up the mics and go.
nick sortor
That's literally what I do is last minute travel, so come on guys.
ian crossland
Dude, so many people would go there if we did it.
Now's not the time to set up a live show.
tim pool
There's no way to set up a studio in Hawaii without having like six months.
ian crossland
It would just be like me and you in a van basically.
Yeah, it'd be pretty rough.
tim pool
How do you get a van there?
nick sortor
You rent one.
tim pool
No, I'm saying if you want to build a studio, you gotta be like us with GoPros.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not hard to, like, yeah, it's hard to take the studio.
You can't really travel light.
tim pool
But sometimes, you know, a show with a couple of GoPros and a... It's not hard to take, like, two cameras and hook them up to a live stream.
That's not that difficult.
And they have, like, individual podcasting boxes.
So it can be done off a laptop.
nick sortor
I've tweeted about this, okay?
You go out to Hawaii and you look at, they have these fields that are next to the airport.
There are thousands of rental cars right now that are just parked in the field.
I mean, I rented a pickup truck out there for $35 a day.
Full-size pickup truck.
I mean, you have vans and everything, because there's nobody there.
tim pool
Is it because people in general fled the island because of the fires?
nick sortor
So, yeah, because that's into the... There weren't... It's not like the entire island is on fire.
Maui is a quite a large island.
tim pool
A lot of people, just anyone on the island, were like, we better get out of here, it's a disaster.
nick sortor
But that's because that's what the government told them to do.
ian crossland
Oh, so residents of the island that were not in Lahaina have also bounced temporarily?
nick sortor
Yeah, because that's what the federal and state governments are telling them to do is get out.
Maui's closed now.
ian crossland
Dude, a private visit to Maui right now is like the hottest thing on earth.
nick sortor
Yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
That'd be so awesome.
nick sortor
I'm just going to give you an example.
It takes you at least two and a half hours to get from one side of Maui to the other.
It's a big island.
ian crossland
There's a big volcano on it too?
nick sortor
Yeah, I went to the top of it.
There's nobody there.
It's a national park.
Nobody there.
ian crossland
Like if you're ever going to go, now's the time.
nick sortor
Now's the time.
hannah claire brimelow
So when you go back, what are you going to focus on?
nick sortor
The thing that I am the most worried about here in Maui is... or, I have to say, on Maui.
It's on Maui.
Well, first of all, I'll just say the people there are very, they love their home.
They love their home.
That is one of the things that is one of the most polarizing issues out there right now is because you have these conspiracy theories talking about, oh yeah, well, they're trying to take our land.
They absolutely are trying to take the land.
Lahaina is one of the most beautiful towns that I've ever been in.
And I travel across the world to cover stories.
Lahaina is oceanfront.
It's the water is, it's the clearest water I've ever seen.
And all these developers have been trying to get this land for decades.
But a lot of these families have been there for generations.
So they are, they're very apprehensive.
They don't want to sell it.
You can give them $10 million and they don't care.
They might be working two or three jobs, but they still don't want to sell their land.
Uh, and the, the saddest part about it is now they're thinking, because one of the first things the governor came out and said, Josh Green, uh, he came out and said, oh yeah, well now the state's gonna buy all the land up.
You know, be an imminent domain.
So they're gonna force them.
tim pool
Private buyers.
nick sortor
Yep.
And they're gonna give it to, yeah, to developers.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story.
This is from WNG.org.
Washington jury convicts five pro-lifers.
I find this story absolutely fascinating.
They say, the jury on Tuesday found the five activists guilty of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act.
Authorities immediately took the pro-lifers into custody.
They now await their sentencing and their lawyers are planning an appeal.
The trial, which began with a jury selection on August 9th, centered on the participation in a 2020 sit-in at a facility in D.C.
where they suspected an abortionist of performing illegal late-term abortions.
Each of the activists faces the possibility of up to 11 years in prison, three years of supervised release, and as much as $350,000 in fines.
We've talked about the escalating conflict, culture war, cold culture war, whatever you want to call it, and one of the examples that we often give is Colorado and I think Oklahoma, right?
Yeah.
They border each other.
In one state, abortion is completely illegal, and in another state, it is completely unrestricted.
Which opens the door to some very serious troubles.
If, say, a woman flees the state where it's overtly illegal in every respect into Colorado for the abortion, which is likely happening now as we speak, and then there is a challenge from another individual who says, no, stop her, she can't do this, it's illegal, what happens?
Does Oklahoma send police to stop the woman from aborting and killing the baby because they view it as murder, or do they not view it as murder?
What I find interesting with this story about these activists is that if you take the perspective that abortion is murder, and that this doctor may have been performing late-term abortions, you have a story of five individuals who took no direct physical action to stop an active murder from taking place, simply sat in front of a building where a murder was taking place, and will now be going to prison for trying to stop that murder.
Again, that's if you take that perspective.
That, I gotta say, is very interesting to me because it says to me, I don't actually think conservatives think it's murder.
And it was actually, I can't remember who was making the argument, it was actually a pro-life Christian conservative who said, clearly there is something different about it in that even pro-life activists do not behave similarly, overwhelmingly.
There may be some individuals who would view it completely as the same thing, but for the most part, the political conservatives that say it is murder, do not act like it is.
So I'm wondering if, you know, for one, this is a crazy story and I'm interested
in what you guys think, interested in what you guys think about it.
I'm also interested in where we go from here considering this.
ian crossland
I honestly think that, I think that the whole, I don't want to dog pile on people that are so pro-life
that they think a one day old inceptive child is the same holistically as a 17 year old boy.
So, yeah, murder—destroying a fertilized egg at one day and killing a 17-year-old in cold blood are very, very different, and I feel like it's LARPing to act like it's a murder.
tim pool
Why is it different?
ian crossland
Because it has no cognizant sentience, as far as we know.
tim pool
So a person who's, like, in a coma, you can kill?
ian crossland
No, that has nothing to do with it.
I'm talking about a one-day-old, inceptive egg sack, or whatever it is, and then an adult human.
They're just different.
So I find like this obsession with... And you see it here, like... Explain it to us.
tim pool
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
ian crossland
Well, it doesn't know English.
It probably can't do math.
I don't think it can even speak.
It doesn't have... It doesn't even have ears.
I don't think it has auditory abilities.
tim pool
But I don't think... Does a six-month-old have that ability?
ian crossland
I'd have to pull out the thing and look at it to examine to see what all... It's developed at that point, at six months.
But usually by 24 weeks, I think you've pretty much become a human.
tim pool
So you're taking the Vosch approach in that babies aren't actually alive until some point after they're already born?
unidentified
No, it's living tissue, but not- Wait, it's 24 months, it's two years!
hannah claire brimelow
You're saying during pregnancy and you're saying after birth.
ian crossland
I'm sorry, say again?
hannah claire brimelow
You're saying after conception.
ian crossland
24 weeks after conception.
unidentified
You guys are talking about- Just making sure we're not talking about two Two-year-old.
ian crossland
Six months.
Four months.
I don't know, something like that.
But at some point, it starts to become human.
And it's still living.
I'd never say it's not alive, but whether or not it's a murder depends on whether or not it's a human being.
hannah claire brimelow
It's alive, but it's not a murder?
ian crossland
Yeah, correct.
tim pool
So intentionally killing a human life is not murder?
ian crossland
No, it's not a human.
I don't think it's a human until, you know, six weeks or whatever.
It's 24 weeks, six months.
unidentified
What is it?
hannah claire brimelow
What is it called?
ian crossland
A zygote?
nick sortor
Are you going to say clump of cells?
Is that where we're going to go?
We're going to go left-wing talking?
unidentified
Zygote is describing a human, though.
All those terms to describe the stages of pregnancy are all describing what eventually is a human.
I was going to say becomes a human, but they're all ways to describe a human being.
tim pool
From Ian's perspective.
ian crossland
Dogs are zygotes, too, at some point.
So a zygote is like an undeveloped animal.
tim pool
So, like, here's... I mean, I don't want to get into the argument over abortion.
I'm more concerned of the political ramifications of these people being arrested and their perspective on it.
But I accept your perspective, Ian.
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.
I don't think you've accurately articulated it in a way that I or many people could understand.
ian crossland
When people say that abortion is murder, I think it is kind of like a LARP.
If people were in that building getting killed in cold blood, those people would not be arrested.
tim pool
They'd be heroes.
This is the point I actually made.
These people claim a murder is taking place, so they sit down and hold hands.
I don't think they actually believe that.
I agree with you.
I do think that babies are alive in the womb and all that.
I do think, you know, at one day of conception there is a human life there that would be killed in an abortion.
But there's clearly something different about it in that these activists, and almost every single activist, their position is, well, another murder happened today, let's write it down.
I'm like, when you see a video of a store clerk being robbed and the guy starts mercilessly beating the dude with a stick, these people are cheering and celebrating.
Yeah, when it comes to this, they're like, let's sit down in front of the building.
No, no, I'm not stupid, I understand.
There is a political climate here, and these people are trying to do the non-violent civil disobedience, which is the appropriate way to protest what our society deems, in many respects, acceptable.
Well, half does not.
They're taking the non-violent approach to a conflicted issue in this country, which is, in my opinion, Nonviolence of disobedience is the correct way to address these things, but they're going to prison for it.
If you can't sit down in front of a building and link arms... Were they trespassing?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I was going to say, is this a state that has one of the barrier laws?
tim pool
Yes, the FACE Act, it's D.C.
hannah claire brimelow
So they're saying they're within the violation?
tim pool
Yes, they were in D.C., and D.C.
has a law saying you can't block access to a clinic.
nick sortor
So, are we getting to the point, because we saw Jen Psaki, I don't know if you saw this the other day, you know, saying that, well, you know, the whole thing about, you know, Democrats being a fan of late term abortions is misleading.
Are they starting to back away from this now?
Because this, how we even got to the point where there are a lot of Democrats, there are a lot of people on the left that are okay with all the way up to the point of, you know, a week before birth, okay with terminating a pregnancy.
So are we starting to back away from that now?
unidentified
I think a lot of people equate supporting something with happiness.
I think there's a lot of people that I've talked to that are pro-abortion that are not happy about it.
They support it, they want it to be legal, but they don't get joy out of it.
I think that's the more normal approach when it comes to being pro-choice.
I think it's still there.
I don't see anything backing away from it.
I think because Roe v. Wade is kind of in the rear view mirror right now.
We've talked about it less as a country, but it's going to come back.
It always does.
tim pool
Right now in this country, Roe v. Wade has been overturned.
Some states have decided to outright ban abortion.
Some states have decided to make it unrestricted, limitless.
The Democrats, of course, lie endlessly.
Like I forgot to mention, Jen Psaki says nobody wants this, but all of these states, I should say all of you, but many of these states are enacting these laws.
You may say, you know, oh, people have gotten arrested for, you know, non-violent civil disobedience in front of these clinics before, but we're now at a point where the conflict may be coming to a greater tension with, like I mentioned, Colorado and Oklahoma bordering each other, and one saying absolutely, not one saying under any circumstances.
With stories like this, pro-lifers are being told there is no non-violent civil disobedience path towards resisting what they view as murder.
My fear is what happens after that.
Because the last thing we want is anything to escalate.
But the government is going to put these people in prison for sitting down in front of a building.
ian crossland
How long?
tim pool
Up to 11 years, I think it is.
nick sortor
And a $350,000 fine, too.
tim pool
Up to.
You know, the courts may say, you know, a year or something.
They may get probation.
But either way, we've got these people blocking highways.
They get arrested for it.
You've got these activists that do this non-violent civil disobedience all the time.
You had far leftists storm one of the Senate buildings, storm the Capitol building previously for like Roe v. Wade stuff, banging on the Supreme Court doors.
No problem.
You got far leftists trying to burn down the White House, burning down a guard post in front of the White House, setting fire to St.
John's Church.
What did we get from that?
Nothing.
I'm like, this is getting scary.
You know, that's all I can say.
ian crossland
There's got to be a way with abortion to have this conversation that is going to heal the system because instead of being like screaming, no, yes, no, that doesn't work.
Instead of being like murder, murder, murder, murder when it's not legally a murder.
Don't scream that it is because it's not legally one.
tim pool
Hold on.
There are some states where it is legally murder.
Right now.
ian crossland
What happens if you- So in a state where it's not a legal murder and there's no point in screaming murder, that's not the way- But also- So hold on- Take an eight month old baby in the womb- Stop right there.
tim pool
Stop right there.
This is the conflict I'm actually talking about.
If you live in Oklahoma, it is codified that you are- that it is illegal to perform an abortion.
So the people in that state have stated, by their own democratic processes, You cannot kill this baby.
If you live in that state, and there are many people who live in many states not have enacted these restrictions or total bans, they are saying it's murder, and they have made it completely illegal.
Other states have said the inverse.
It is not murder, and it is unrestricted.
So you can't just say it's not a murder now, because some states are saying it effectively is.
ian crossland
That's an interesting way to look at killing, but you're right.
tim pool
But where does this conflict go, then?
This is why I'm saying this is a federal question.
This is a question under the 14th Amendment.
I guess it depends on your definition of a naturally born citizen, because if they're not born, then the 14th Amendment may not actually protect them.
But the 14th Amendment actually says something to the effect of human rights not being denied.
This is where it gets interesting.
ian crossland
Yeah, because when you have an eight-month-old baby and you look at it in the eyes, and it's looking at you, you know it's a human.
I've had friends that were born premature, but they could have been aborted in certain states, legally, and I'm like, but once you know like that, if you can know, maybe you would be less likely to want to do it.
tim pool
The issue right now that I bring up is, if Oklahoma says, it's murder and it's illegal, and Colorado says, nope, it's not and you can kill the baby, Something is broken in this country.
You cannot have a nation where certain jurisdictions determine that human DNA and matter is not worthy of life rights, and one state saying they are.
This is a recipe for exactly what we saw back in 1861.
Some states saying you do not have human rights, while other states you said you do have human rights.
This is an impossibility.
These two positions cannot coexist.
nick sortor
So there are 30 states where it is considered double homicide if you kill a pregnant woman.
15 of those states, abortion is fully legal up to... So it is murder.
I don't understand.
How do you have that double standard?
That's what I don't understand.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I've never understood that.
ian crossland
Is it, are you saying a hundred percent sure it's considered a murder, or is it just an illegal killing of some sort, like a man?
tim pool
Homicide.
Homicide means human killing human.
ian crossland
Murder is a federal crime.
tim pool
Homicide means human killing human.
If you are correct in that, if there's a woman who was pregnant, and you, you know, you're drunk and you crash into them, they say you killed two people, there's two homicides, it's a double homicide, they are saying a human killed a human, and that unborn baby was a human.
ian crossland
It could be looked at as like, um, as a manslaughter, you know, not necessarily murder.
Murder's a different, murder's like a federal crime.
nick sortor
Well, even if it's murder, you're still, I mean, or even if it's manslaughter, I mean, you're still slaughtering a human.
That's the, that's the whole point of manslaughter.
ian crossland
I agree.
tim pool
No, no, and I'm fairly certain, in the states you're referring to, if a deranged serial killer takes a machete and goes to a pregnant woman and butchers her, killing both the baby and the woman, it is a double murder.
nick sortor
Well, even if you just shoot the woman.
Even if you just shoot the woman.
I mean, it's like, because it's... Yeah, if the baby dies as a result of an attack.
The baby is going to die as a result.
Yeah.
ian crossland
But like, if the woman kills her own baby in a state where it's illegal, is that considered a murder at this point?
I don't know.
tim pool
That's the broken thing.
Right?
Like, a woman- Nobody's talking about it!
Well, so my point is just this.
Activists engaging in non-violent civil disobedience face prison in D.C.
ian crossland
Yeah, what is this FACE Act?
tim pool
It's been around for a while.
You can't block clinics.
But that's- I'm telling you, like JFK said, those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
ian crossland
Yeah, but were they really people- Is it a clinic, or are they just sitting there?
tim pool
Sitting there is blocking.
ian crossland
Not really.
Not if, like, people can walk by you.
tim pool
Or there's other entrances.
Well, I don't know.
Look, my point was that these two concepts cannot coexist in one nation.
A government cannot say to a state, you are allowed to determine who is worthy of human rights.
Sorry, that's a constitutional question.
Otherwise, Colorado can say, we hereby decree Republicans don't have First Amendment rights because we don't consider them human.
Dude, when they're gonna- And the 1964 Civil Rights Act excludes communists.
So you can have a red state say, if you're a communist, you don't get constitutional rights?
No, you can't do that.
ian crossland
Yeah, we need a new Human Rights Commission of some sort, because you need to control and own your own copyright of your own visage, your own face and name and likeness, because companies cannot take that from you.
That is you.
And we also need to recognize that these little babies are alive.
And they're probably human.
And if we can neural net these things, when they're like three months old, and you put the neural net in the womb, and you see all of a sudden, they can learn language.
They can communicate with you when they're at two months.
We'll realize a lot ahead of time, like, that they're human.
But I need the science to back it up.
I can't just assume that a little zygote is a human.
unidentified
What else would it become?
ian crossland
You never know.
tim pool
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ian crossland
Chimera, by the way.
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Alright, I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, did you hear about the worm in a woman's brain?
I did.
I glanced, I scrolled past a story, but did anybody know what that was about?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Some woman had like a crazy big worm in her brain or something like that.
Well, you know, it happens, right?
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, it will never happen.
Yep.
Not happening.
Yep.
This is what really, what really bothered me.
I was talking about this earlier.
The question of will they remove Donald Trump's name from the ballot unilaterally?
Will a secretary of state in some state like Michigan just say, Trump committed insurrection.
His name's off the ballot.
There doesn't need to be a lawsuit.
They can just do it.
They'll do it in October, and then there will be a lawsuit, and then in December, the Supreme Court will say, you can't.
Too bad, Trump lost already.
And everyone keeps saying it can't happen, yet every single time we've brought up, uh-oh, they're trying to do X, someone goes, that can't happen, and then it does.
We're at the point where not only did Trump get indicted, they've gone after his lawyers, and now they're investigating media personalities, so it's like, First of all, Trump will never get indicted.
Trump won't again.
Remember Trump won't get impeached?
Oh, I loved that one.
Trump, he got impeached twice!
Then they said he wouldn't be indicted.
Now they're indicting his lawyers.
Okay, yeah.
Do not be surprised.
I'm not saying it will happen.
I'm saying it is, there's a strong probability and it is entirely possible they do it.
For people to be like, nah, that can't happen.
Oh, it absolutely can.
ian crossland
This is the evil men, if good men do nothing.
If you just assume it can't happen, you're one of the good men doing nothing.
Do not assume that.
Be vigilant.
nick sortor
They all act like Trump can't possibly get elected again.
He's unelectable.
Why are they going to these great lengths to remove him from the ballot in these states?
unidentified
I mean, that is such a huge leap.
nick sortor
When is the last time this happened to a major candidate?
Has it ever happened before?
I don't think so.
ian crossland
Not that I know of.
nick sortor
So why do they feel like they have to do this?
Why are they setting new precedents?
hannah claire brimelow
Because they have to ensure that he will not become the president again.
nick sortor
They're terrified!
hannah claire brimelow
Exactly!
ian crossland
My guess is because he wouldn't play ball with the Swiss banks and they're afraid that he won't oversee a smooth transition into a totalitarian world government where the United States is the lucky left arm.
No, he's like, no, we are the head, the brain, the force, the reckoning.
tim pool
Alright, we got one from Xana520 who says, Because this was brought up last night, and as one of them, Bronies started as fans of a cartoon that wasn't just for girls, and was created by an old Cartoon Network veteran.
Things went downhill from there, but Gen 3 was unique.
I have no idea what that means.
I guess, are you implying that, like, the original show was more like, I don't know, Ed, Edd n Eddy or something?
Or Powerpuff Girls or whatever?
Or Spongebob?
Like, jokes in there that adults understood or something?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
I think My Little Ponies was always for girls, even if it was a Cartoon Network production.
tim pool
But if you like- Have you seen all the show?
hannah claire brimelow
I haven't.
tim pool
Then there you go.
hannah claire brimelow
I can't say I'm completely informed and I don't want the bronies to feel isolated from IRL.
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
But I sort of don't believe everything you're saying.
tim pool
Look, Spongebob spawned a bunch of memes that adults use because often in these kids shows, humor is intended for adults.
Because they want the adults to watch it with their kids.
nick sortor
They don't want them to go insane based on watching it every single day.
tim pool
Well, no, they want adults to watch it.
And the kids will laugh at the funny shapes and the squirrel who's got too many acorns or whatever.
And, you know, but, yay, Patrick, we saved the city and the city's burning down.
That's like a meme about, like, Democrats all the time.
You know?
Nobody calls them Spongebobbies.
Unless they do.
I don't know.
Maybe some people are.
I guess no one's going around dressed up like Spongebob, though, so.
Not as part of a culture or something.
unidentified
Yeah, it didn't spawn the subsect that is Sponge Slash Awkward Costume.
tim pool
Tyler Bratton says, breaking the Tennessee House and Senate have adjourned the special session without passing any gun control or red flag laws.
Huge win.
I mean, I guess.
ian crossland
If the government did not screw us, huge win.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
Yeah, exactly.
I guess technically, you know, because it's doing as often.
ian crossland
It's like we need government for emergencies on the nose on the right away, but then we need them to back off and let us live our lives and run ourselves.
nick sortor
How come this was never a problem before?
I mean, my dad telling me that, oh yeah, well, I mean, I used to have a gun in my pickup truck when I went to high school.
You know, like, things like that.
You know, a shotgun mounted to the back.
Like, this was never, you never saw school shootings.
What changed?
That's what I want to know.
ian crossland
Reagan shut down the mental institutions in the 80s?
nick sortor
Well, look, I'm not gonna say I'm a big Reagan superfan, so let's, uh... I don't know if that's the reason.
tim pool
Guardsman Norheim says, do not send your garbage to my front door, please.
Enough of you come up in the summer.
Sincerely, Alaska resident.
We're coming!
We're coming for your oil!
ian crossland
Fertilize your soil!
tim pool
Yeah, we're gonna take the oil from Alaska.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Stephen Wolf says, Impostor President Joe Biden and Herbert the Pervert from Family Guy are the same person.
Pictures created from AI are absolutely crazy.
You guys know Herbert, right?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
You're the guy that talks like this.
unidentified
Oh, hey, Craig.
I got hairy legs.
tim pool
Get in my basement.
ian crossland
Hairy legs.
Yeah, I got hairy legs.
Oh, what do we got?
tim pool
Glucose Donor says, Tim, the concept of movie bias and criminal justice is called the NCIS effect, where people think investigations are solved in a day.
I love that!
hannah claire brimelow
That's funny.
tim pool
All of these shows, like NCIS and Law & Order, they solve the crime.
Well, no, to be fair, Law & Order...
Actually has the dates and it shows months in between.
But NCIS, yeah, it's like one day they catch the murderer.
It's just like, you got it guys.
hannah claire brimelow
Just every week they have a case and it's over.
tim pool
And they have like that 50 year old woman who dresses like she's in her 20s.
You know what I'm talking about?
She's got the pigtails and she wears a skirt.
hannah claire brimelow
She's like the forensic scientist.
tim pool
Yeah, but she's like, she's like 50.
hannah claire brimelow
Is she really?
tim pool
Yeah, something like that.
hannah claire brimelow
That's so funny.
tim pool
I don't know, you can look it up.
unidentified
I like when they enhance stuff that's like two pixels and they just like enhance it and zoom in and then they got it to 4K.
ian crossland
Is it Abby Schuto?
tim pool
Is that her name?
hannah claire brimelow
Schuto, I think is how it's said.
ian crossland
Abby Schuto?
tim pool
I don't know, from NCIS?
I don't know what her name is.
hannah claire brimelow
She's like the goth girl.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What do we got?
YYK says, if Trump is removed from the ballot, could some states refuse to certify their election?
Yes.
Because the legislations could refuse to certify their elections for a lot of different reasons.
nick sortor
Are they gonna put him in jail?
tim pool
Uh, if what?
nick sortor
Are they gonna put him in jail?
They refuse to certify the election?
tim pool
Are they gonna put who in jail?
unidentified
No, I mean, we're talking about, you know, look down in Georgia.
nick sortor
Yeah, but this is different.
tim pool
We're talking about what Democrats are willing to do versus what Republicans are willing to do.
So, will they refuse to certify their elections?
If you get a state like Michigan and somehow Trump wins, then yeah, they won't do it.
But Republicans?
unidentified
They'll be like, oh, I guess you win again, Democrats.
tim pool
Alright, Irrational says, first time super chat.
I live near the Colorado Springs school.
I ordered 100 little Gadsden stickers and plan to submit them for donations to the kids.
Force them to double down or agree with Governor Polis' tweet.
Interesting.
Agamemnon's Gym Bag says, Cassandra, I know you're out there.
Would love to see Mark Judge on the show and know what he's been up to since the Cavanaugh Dog and Pony Show.
Maybe Culture War is a better show for hanging out with Mark Judge.
And we've reached out to him before, and we're hoping to book him, but I have no idea.
I don't know what's going on there.
What's he do?
Mark Judge?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, he invented Beavis and Butthead.
ian crossland
No, that's Mike.
That's Mike Judge.
tim pool
Oh, Mark Judge.
unidentified
You're right.
tim pool
That is Mike Judge.
Oh, I'm thinking of the wrong guy.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Mark Judge.
unidentified
I don't know that.
ian crossland
You should get both of them.
American author, journalist, known for books about his suburban Washington, D.C.
youth.
This is Mark Judge.
tim pool
Oh, I saw M, K, and Judge, and I just immediately thought Beavis and Butt-head because we were trying to get Mike Judge on the show.
ian crossland
And we should have Mike on.
tim pool
Yeah.
Oh, but Mark Judge for sure.
Yeah.
Well, all right.
hannah claire brimelow
Whichever judge wants to come on.
tim pool
You can tell who I'm more interested in having on the show, to be honest.
I wanted to see Mike Judge.
I'm like, oh, he's talking about that guy I like.
I'm a big fan.
I was watching all the newbies in Buttheads, they're really good.
unidentified
Oh.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I don't know if I've seen any of them.
tim pool
There's two new seasons that are out.
unidentified
Ever?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's great.
ian crossland
Moments in the wild.
unidentified
It'd be so cool to see him do the voices, like, at the IRL table.
ian crossland
Yeah, he said he knew a guy like Beavis in school growing up.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
He was like laughing at his desk.
tim pool
And then there's, uh, I love one of the new episodes they did.
Beebs and Butt-head are meditating and the, you know, their hippie teacher is like, clear your mind so you can reach enlightenment.
And then all of a sudden their souls just lift up to the, you know, to Shambhala or whatever because their minds are empty already.
It's great.
I love Beebs and Butt-head.
All right, where are we at?
Anyway, yeah, sure.
Mark Judge 2, for sure.
ian crossland
What do we got?
tim pool
By the fireside says, Rachel does make me wonder what happens post-Trump.
Will folks go back to sleep and let the deep state just regroup, change tactics, and carry on?
Nah, the people who are supporting Trump are not necessarily all conservatives.
They're anti-establishment.
And then there's the default- like, so, the lockdowns worked.
Because it got the, um, the normies, who don't pay attention, into the fray.
Without a lockdown, or force, these people are gonna go back to, you know, watching Barstool, or something like that.
No disrespect to Barstool, like, people would prefer to watch, they get way more views, people would rather watch sports and talk about their pastimes and their hobbies, than the affairs of the political class.
But people like you, watching this show, yeah, we're not gonna vote for them.
And so they know they need a way to force regular people into the fray, they can't keep doing it, it won't work.
Karen Rees says, Karen Rees, I'm for law and order so I'm 100% Trump.
Look at the BS in Maryland with Senator Jill Carter who is blaming law enforcement and prosecutors for misunderstanding the law regarding not being able to charge J-U-V, charge juve.
There's a funny story out of Chicago.
The mayor is suing Kia.
I think he's suing Kia.
Saying that the robberies are the fault of the car manufacturers for not having anti-theft.
Instead of, you know, the city.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, her outfit is the reason she got attacked in the alley.
Her outfit.
hannah claire brimelow
Didn't Seattle do something similar?
There's a couple major cities that are saying, like, Kia, this is your fault.
You made your cars too easy to break into and steal.
unidentified
I kind of agree.
We're not seeing this.
This is like a TikTok trend to break into Kias and steal them.
We're not seeing this from any other car manufacturer, and I want to know why.
hannah claire brimelow
It's because they have the same part.
People figured out how to break into it, posted about it online, and now people do it all the time.
nick sortor
Okay, but why is it their fault?
Because, look, I'm just being honest with you.
I mean, in Kentucky, I would have never heard about this unless it was happening in Chicago, okay?
People just, it just doesn't happen, okay?
So get your crime under control.
hannah claire brimelow
Seattle was sued in January.
I mean, it's happening in major cities.
nick sortor
Well, sure, because Seattle is a liberal hellhole.
I mean, it's the same thing.
They're soft on crime.
hannah claire brimelow
Helen is completely right.
It's that it became funny.
It's that it became, we don't care what the consequences are.
This is a TikTok trend and I'll do it.
I mean, it's the same thing.
Every once in a while, these videos of people like licking ice cream and then putting the cap on and putting it back in the freezer go viral.
And then for a while, some grocery stores kind of chain their door shut or whatever.
There's a lack of moral standing.
tim pool
Do you guys know what ninja rocks are?
Uh, so, none of this stuff about Kias matters, because there's a thing called a ninja rock, which I will not elaborate further, because, you know, it's bad enough.
As soon as you talk about it, people can find out what it is.
But you can effectively have this tiny little rock that you flick at a car window, and the car window will shatter instantly.
unidentified
Oh, I know.
tim pool
With almost no force.
nick sortor
Right.
tim pool
So, uh, you may be familiar with those emergency tools.
It's got a seatbelt slicer and a window shatterer because if you're underwater, the pressure is keeping everything locked.
You put this little thing up to the window and click a button and then the window just shatters.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yup, they walk up to the car and go, and then the window just goes poof.
So people figure out how to get them, and it doesn't matter if you're a key or otherwise.
Like, there's videos you can watch where someone just walks up to this little thing and goes like that, and then the window just goes boom and blows out.
ian crossland
Sounds like we need to talk to Elon about material science for 21st century windows.
tim pool
Didn't you see the video where he threw a cannonball or something?
nick sortor
It was a big steel ball.
He lobbed it out the window of the Cybertruck.
tim pool
It's supposed to be... He said, the Cybertruck window's bulletproof, and then he threw it and it shattered.
ian crossland
He was like, well that one's supposed to happen.
He hit it a few times.
nick sortor
Somebody got fired, I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, I think the issue they said was that it was propped up and it had some countervailing force against it or something, which it isn't supposed to have.
unidentified
They hit it with a sledgehammer during like testing and they cracked where the window, like the bottom of the window where it sat in the car door.
And so that all it took was the ball to finish the job.
Yeah.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
tim pool
Madrock says, in Colorado, my son was in kindergarten and did the finger gun pew-pew and was nearly expelled.
They have a zero-tolerance policy, so a kid with the guns on his shirt would be sent home, suspended or expelled.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that happened at my elementary school.
Kids got in trouble for, like, doing the finger gun thing.
ian crossland
We were not allowed to play with guns as kids.
My dad wanted us to and my mom didn't, so it was like a no-gun policy at the house.
We didn't have toy guns, da-da-da-da-da, none of those.
We got super soakers, eventually, the squirt guns, but never like the plastic toy guns.
I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Like I grew up not being a gun guy, which has a lot of topics.
tim pool
We all had toy guns in a bunch of different ways.
Super soakers were toy guns.
Cap guns.
Cap guns.
They have those water ball guns and those jelly guns that shoot little balls of jelly
or little balls of water.
nick sortor
But airsoft.
I mean airsoft was a big thing growing up.
I mean, it's nothing.
ian crossland
Paintball.
tim pool
Danny Engineer says, why do people keep saying Ian just started lifting?
Everyone on TimCastIRL has been lifting with me for six years.
You're a great gym buddy, Ian.
Love y'all.
ian crossland
You're welcome.
tim pool
Aha, I see he's listening to us while he's in the gym.
That's right.
ian crossland
You're pumped.
Dude, today I just went for it.
I was like, why do I have to limit myself to one hour a day in the gym?
There are dudes that do six.
I just stay in there all day.
It's either that or I play video games or I just be in there moving.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And eating and then building something.
tim pool
What I would do on the treadmill is I'd play Hearthstone.
And then, seriously, I'd play a few games and then I'd be like, oh man, it's been an hour and 20 minutes of me walking on the treadmill.
It's so fun.
ian crossland
And your body knows what it needs next.
You can tell what muscle wants it to get to homeostasis.
tim pool
Waffle Sensei says, yes, it was Sun Tzu.
That was the quote.
Evil men will burn down their country so they can rule over the ashes.
Yeah, that sounds like... It's working for them.
ian crossland
Yeah, you know.
tim pool
Magic GoPros says, I lived on Maui for four years.
It's horribly corrupt and mismanaged.
Remember the nuke alert?
Also on 9-11, they found the terrorist passports intact.
They did.
That is a true fact.
ian crossland
They fell out of the airplane after it hit the tower and they landed on the ground perfectly for them to find?
tim pool
That's right.
nick sortor
Very convenient.
Everything else burned up.
tim pool
Well, the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized instantly.
But not the passport.
Maybe it was like in the very back in the cargo and it got blown up by the wind before the vaporization happened.
ian crossland
It's the most... That is the most ridiculous... I'm sorry, I don't want to go too deep on it.
Dude, what a joke.
They found the guy... They're like, we found the villain's passport.
That we want to be the villain.
nick sortor
Wait until the uncensored spin.
Trust us.
tim pool
I mean, like, did they find any other passports?
Like, there's probably a lot of documents and a lot of paperwork that were strewn about when all this chaos was happening.
Someone probably dropped a briefcase.
I mean, come on.
ian crossland
But the plane went into the building and exploded in a fireball, yet Mohammed Atta's passport was on the ground.
nick sortor
There's nothing else left from the plane.
There's not even proof that there was... Yeah, I mean, like, you don't see any other portion of the plane in the Pentagon.
tim pool
Have you ever looked into how they make these passports?
They're remarkable.
They gotta be, they gotta be, uh... Chain-linked steel.
That's right, yeah, it's like chain mail.
Alright, alright, let's read some more, let's read some more.
Rolo says, do you think the police chief's credentials from the FBI Academy raise any alarm bells for you?
It's not as linked in, and the FBI Academy is invite-only via nomination.
Is it really?
You can't be in the FBI unless someone nominates you?
nick sortor
You have to have a college degree, it's very important.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and you have to, there's like a big interview process to get into the FBI, right?
So, I don't know if invite is the way to describe it, but...
tim pool
Alright, Papa Romano says, can Nick elaborate on the black fences they have set up around the burn area and the unusual police presence protecting the burn area?
nick sortor
Yeah, so the, so this is the thing, like I said, that they're arresting, literally arresting residents that go past the barricade.
I, I made it about three and a half steps past before, you know, the National Guard ended up running up really quickly, the Hawaii National Guard, uh, to, you know, question me, and they pulled me aside.
Look, I got pulled aside by Maui police multiple times, I got pulled aside by Secret Service.
Apparently I'm on a list now because my TSA pre-check no longer works after Hawaii.
So very convenient.
And because I tried to cross into the zone.
And this was...
You know, it's now even now, weeks later, they're putting up this black fence around Lahaina.
And so that you can't see there was a fence before.
Now they're putting now they're putting the black sheeting all the way around it.
So you can't so you can't even see it.
And there's a no drone zone now, which I have an older drone, so I'm able to put it up there, and so I did it the other day, so I was able to get video, but now I don't understand it.
They're not helping when it comes to the entire thought that they're hiding something.
They're not even attempting to dispel that narrative.
Wow.
tim pool
Well, let's grab some more.
What do we got?
Rooster and the Hen says, I'm with Ian.
We should have bodied Helen Keller.
ian crossland
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, he's basically saying that if you think babies, you know, aren't alive unless they have some kind of comprehension ability, then Helen Keller would be disqualified in your view.
ian crossland
I didn't say that we should be killing deaf infants or people that are in the womb that are deaf or blind.
I didn't say that.
nick sortor
Is an infant a human?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
An infant is post-birth.
No, no, I'm saying that the human brain hasn't developed enough to have ears yet at one day.
I like Helen Keller.
unidentified
So, let's just read more superchats.
tim pool
Alright, PonyUp says, After 15 weeks, if stem cell researchers fail to abort the fetal cells they harvest from, they are bound by federal law to consider them a human being.
Interesting.
Well, there you go.
Just leave me alone says I lived on Oahu in 96 and 97.
I got my first tattoo in Lahaina.
I was amazed by the banyan tree.
This breaks my heart for the Hawaiian people.
Murder.
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
I wonder what the recovery time is going to be like for the city.
I mean, now we're getting the idea that it's not only years that we already expected, but also the government has to allow anything to happen.
And that's the thing.
nick sortor
Government has to allow.
It depends on what you mean by recover at this point.
I mean, because they, like I said, they're going to try to take the land by eminent domain.
The governor's already said that.
So I don't know.
I mean, what's recovery?
Selling it to a developer?
Having resorts built on it?
tim pool
Matthew Garbiner says, Tim, you overstate the militancy of the pro-life movement.
A more likely inflection point for interstate conflict is parental rights LGBT issues.
Intrastate or interstate?
I think interstate conflict is what we're talking about, you know, like Florida fighting among Floridians and seem to make a lot of sense.
But I don't overstate the militancy of the pro-life movement.
In fact, I am quite literally understating it.
I'm saying they don't actually do anything.
Like, they literally think there's a murder, but they'll go and sit down and just hold hands.
That's my point.
All right.
Leon says, you see the Pope's side with the woke churches today?
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
No.
I went to the eye doctor today.
Had to get a contact lens prescription.
You gotta do it every couple years, right?
ian crossland
Did they puff your eye?
tim pool
They did.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's cool.
tim pool
Yeah, they'd blast it.
So my prescription has not changed in two years, and my eyes are healthy, and we're all great.
And the reason I bring it up is that when I was sitting in the office waiting to pay, they had a DEI poster on the wall, and it was the weirdest thing that this eye doctor insisted on informing me of their sexual preference.
I was like, there's like a big picture talking about, like, what they were into.
It was like, I was just really confused by it.
This poster was like, diversity, equity, inclusion, and what it means.
And it was like, diversity is when you try to figure out if everyone is welcome at the party.
Inclusivity is making sure they can get into the party.
And, you know, like, equity is making sure everyone's dancing.
And then above it, it was like, gay, lesbian, bisexual things, like on a flower.
And I'm just like, I'm just not convinced it's relevant to my eye doctor appointment whether or not you, sir, enjoy the presence of men or women.
unidentified
How does this change my contact prescription?
If I say I don't agree, are you going to make me wear glasses?
tim pool
Like a person goes in there and says, hi, I'd like to get an eye exam and purchase some contact lenses, but I'm concerned you don't sleep with men.
Doctor, do you?
Because if you do, I'll feel more comfortable here.
I don't understand what the point of that is.
nick sortor
Do you ever get worried when you go to places like this that you're going to be, like, sabotaged or whatever?
That, you know, you're trying to go to, like, you know, because, like, say if I go to a psychiatrist, right?
Because I have ADD really badly, right?
But I'm almost afraid to tell them, you know, what I do for a living.
It depends.
tim pool
And that, you know, I think the eye doctor is a corporate eye doctor.
It was a chain.
I don't think they know or care as to why that was put on the wall by corporate.
Okay.
I ended up not buying contacts from them, though.
After I left, I was like, you know what?
I'm just going to order from somewhere else and do a different company because I don't want to give my money to them.
ian crossland
I like ZeniMax.
I haven't looked into who owns them, though.
tim pool
Yeah.
But if it's like a small business and they have communist iconography, I won't give them my money.
There's a coffee shop out here and they had a big sign saying masks required.
And I'm like, Starbucks is across the street.
And so I went to Starbucks.
Starbucks said no masks required.
And I was like, okay, well, I guess Starbucks gets my money then.
It is what it is.
There you go.
If you want to make money, don't play that stupid game.
All right.
We'll just grab another one here before we head over to the members only.
What do we got?
Vosh1985 says, this was the plot to an X-Files episode.
Which one?
The wildfires or something?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe.
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nick sortor
Sure, yeah.
Shout out my X account.
That's where I post pretty much everything, because I probably get banned on any other platform.
It's x.com slash NickSorter, N-I-C-K S-O-R-T-O-R, and you'll see more from Hawaii here next week.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I'm interested to see what what you uncover.
nick sortor
We're not letting this story die.
We're not going to do it.
And I'm going to try to convince Tim that to do a live show out there with us.
So I'll set it up.
Let's do it, Tim.
hannah claire brimelow
Come on.
I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should follow TimCast News on Twitter and Instagram.
It's the best.
You can see work from me, Chris Burtman, Adrienne Norman, Cassandra Fairbanks-McDonalds, just everyone who's great.
If you want to follow me personally, you can find me on Instagram at hannahclare.b and on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Thank you so much.
ian crossland
Thank you, Anna-Claire.
I'm Ian Crosland.
Follow me on the internet.
Get ripped.
Get healthy.
Stay healthy.
Keep doing it.
It's non-stop.
It is your life.
Dude, thank you, Nick, for going to Hawaii, man.
Thanks for putting this on the map.
And East Palestine, too.
Thanks for going there.
nick sortor
Yes, sir.
We're going to continue doing that because, you know, mainstream media ain't going to do it.
ian crossland
We're the mainstream now.
nick sortor
We're doing it.
We're doing it.
ian crossland
This is the evolution of media.
Thanks.
unidentified
You guys can follow me at kellenpdl on x. I always see your posts.
I always see your work, Nick.
It's great to finally meet you.
And we need more people doing what you're doing.
And yeah, go visit Maui.
Take a vacation.
Take some time off.
Don't be so blackpilled.
Give them your money.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We will see you all over at timcast.com in a couple minutes.
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