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tim pool
The judge has set the trial date for Donald Trump in the federal case.
March 4th, the day before Super Tuesday, inhibiting Donald Trump's ability to campaign on the
most important primary day of the election year.
This is overt cheating in the 2024 election.
This judge is anti-Trump.
She'd already said that she's surprised he's even free, considering what's going on.
So we know where this is going.
They're pulling out all of the stops.
And I think one of the most damning things to come out from this story of Trump's indictment in Georgia is that the only person to be remanded to custody is the black guy who runs Black Voices for Trump.
We have a poll that came out from Fox News that says Donald Trump has 20% support among black voters.
Now, if that's true, and it's a very big if because, you know, among the I'd like to see this poll repeated 100 times before I believe it.
But if that's true, according to the Wall Street Journal and many analysts, if the Republican Party reaches 20% support among the black vote, Democrats cannot win.
So this should be pretty interesting, and perhaps that's why the one guy who gets remanded to custody, no bail, is the Black Voices for Trump director.
We'll see how that plays out.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Spike Cohen.
jeremy spike cohen
Hey, how are you doing?
Great to be back.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Who are you?
jeremy spike cohen
I'm Spike Cohen.
I'm a husband, a businessman.
I was the 2020 Libertarian candidate for vice president, and I am the founder and president of You Are the Power.
tim pool
Do you know who's going to be the Libertarian candidate?
jeremy spike cohen
We don't know yet.
unidentified
No idea.
All right.
tim pool
Well, should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
jeremy spike cohen
Thanks, man.
tim pool
We got Libby Emmons.
libby emmons
Hey, Tim.
How's it going?
tim pool
You're not Ian.
You're Libby.
libby emmons
I'm not Ian.
I'm Libby.
I'm over here.
Yeah.
Who are you?
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm the Editor-in-Chief of the Postmillennial and Human Events.
Glad to be on the show.
tim pool
Right on.
And of course, Hannah Clare's hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm happy to be here with both of you tonight.
It's going to be a fun show.
And Serge is here.
serge du preez
Yes, I am, before I head to Miami to go prep for this big show, so get your tickets, y'all.
tim pool
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
All right, everybody, let's jump into this first story.
We got this from the Postmillennial.
Breaking!
Trump to appeal DC trial date of March 4th, calling it election interference.
I have to agree.
They know exactly what they're doing, citing the state.
There's no question about it.
They tried to stop it.
I think it was Brian Kemp tried to shut it down in Georgia.
And now at the federal level, like, OK, well, we're going to interfere by any means necessary.
Former President Donald Trump torched special counsel Jack Smith, as well as federal judge Tanya Chutkan in a new post he put up on Truth Social Monday, just hours after his official trial date in Washington, D.C., was set for March 4th, 2024, the day before Super Tuesday.
Trump suggested the actions of both parties amount to election interference and promised he would appeal the decision, saying...
Deranged Jack Smith and his team of thugs who were caught going to the White House just prior to indicting the 45th President of the United States, an absolute no-no, I like that, have been working on this witch hunt for almost three years, but decided to bring it smack in the middle of Crooked Joe Biden's political opponent's campaign against him.
Election interference.
Today, a biased, Trump-hating judge gave me only a two-month extension.
Just what our corrupt government wanted.
Super Tuesday.
I will appeal.
He made a follow-up post saying, page two, colon.
How do you have an indictment that is based almost entirely on the findings of the January 6th unselect committee of Marxists, fascists, and political hacks?
When these same lowlives who have been caught lying for years about Russia, Russia, Russia, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, FISA, the fake dossier, and much more, purposely and illegally destroyed and deleted all of the evidence, findings, and proof of the January 6th committee, when will deranged Jack Smith criminally charge the committee?
Well, there's no question in my mind, and I think any reasonable human being can understand, that when they set the trial date for the day before Super Tuesday, this will inhibit Donald Trump from campaigning on the single most important day of maybe even the whole election.
Because whether, Super Tuesday's huge.
You're gonna win the primary, but the votes, the turnout we see in the primary is, it reflects the general election.
Donald Trump won't be able to have rallies, or if he does, it's gonna be at a courthouse, And it's going to give his opponents and Joe Biden a tremendous advantage.
They know exactly what they're doing.
Change my mind.
libby emmons
Well, here's the thing about it.
It's not just that it's Super Tuesday, which is 14 states, including Texas and California.
It's also that they're seeking to put a gag order on him to not be able to talk about a lot of what's in the case.
So they already did gag him for some of the stuff.
I think anything involving witnesses, information about that, that comes out pre-trial.
But who knows if they're going to file another motion to try and stop him from having any further discussions publicly about what's going on in this case.
I think that's a really big concern as well, especially when he comes out saying that it's election interference.
They don't like that.
And you also have.
You also have a lot of people saying that his posts on Truth Social constitute a level of violence.
Like when he says, if they come for me, I'm coming for you.
And they think that, you know, like NPR thinks that that's violence, when really what that is, is like also lawfare.
You know, it's like further legal implications.
jeremy spike cohen
Well, then that also implies that they're coming, they see they're coming for him as violence.
libby emmons
Yes, of course they do, because they think words are violence.
Because they think words are violence.
They've already told us this.
All through 2020, words are violence.
All the pronoun people, words are violence.
tim pool
It's a ridiculous concept when these far leftists are like, words are violence, and then they insult you and call you a name, because by their definition, your response should be what they describe as self-defense, which is violence.
libby emmons
You have to go loot things.
If you've been insulted, you have to go loot things.
tim pool
It's what they do.
jeremy spike cohen
Break it.
unidentified
Break it.
libby emmons
It's important.
jeremy spike cohen
No, I tend to agree with you.
I think he's certain to win the nomination at this point.
I don't see a scenario in which he doesn't, you know, pass away or something like that.
That doesn't result in him getting the nomination.
This is more about having the pretense or the pretext to be able to, like you said, to gag him.
To make it where he can't talk about what promises to be, if not the single biggest election issue, one of the biggest ones, while he's campaigning.
libby emmons
Well, yeah, and they just turned over, what, like, I think 12 million pages of discovery.
I think that came out today as well, 12 million pages.
hannah claire brimelow
It doesn't seem like a real amount.
jeremy spike cohen
It's like when Saddam Hussein released it.
libby emmons
It's actually 12.8 million pages of discovery that the DOJ handed off in the documents case.
tim pool
Every third page is just like a recycled article from like a 1970s Playboy or something, hoping nobody notices.
libby emmons
Well, that's the thing.
That's what discovery is.
Like a lot of what they do in discovery when they don't want you to do well in your case is they hinder you by giving you too many boxes.
They give you like everything that they can come up with and they say it's in here and then you're going through it all.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, we can't tell you where.
You'll find it on your own.
jeremy spike cohen
It's in there.
No, it's in there.
libby emmons
Whatever it is.
hannah claire brimelow
It's hard not to think that any gag order imposed on Trump would be broadly interpreted, too.
So even if for some reason he could be, you know, at a campaign rally, they're able to say, well, you referenced the last election, which of course he would because he's campaigning for president.
And they'll say, no, you're in violation.
It seems obvious that they're trying to trap him into potentially facing more charges.
tim pool
I'm torn between whether or not they want him in jail, when they want him in jail.
I think they do, but I don't know if, like, these Democratic leaders are in alignment on when and how.
Because if Donald Trump went to jail now, it would be a massive boost for his campaign, but it's really hard to predict exactly what would happen.
Like, if they remanded him to custody.
It would inhibit his ability to campaign, but the press would be so explosive that it might make more money for him than possible.
libby emmons
He did raise like $7 million off the Georgia mugshot.
tim pool
Right.
And I think that was like yesterday's number or something.
libby emmons
Yeah, that was yesterday's number.
tim pool
Now, they have remanded black voices for Trump.
His name's Harrison Floyd.
So he cannot campaign.
And he's the only one.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah.
What was their justification for only jailing the black guy?
unidentified
Their justification was lock up the black guy.
libby emmons
You know, they wanted to prove that judicial system is racist.
tim pool
I'm surprised that no one caught that right away.
Because I remember when I saw the news that he was being remanded, I'm like, like, the only guy they remanded is the black dude?
jeremy spike cohen
Like, out of like 19 people.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then and then I think we mentioned on the show and everyone laughed and I'm like, well, you guys didn't like I thought everyone just noticed they did that.
libby emmons
Yeah, your tweet was the first thing I saw on that, and I was like, oh no!
hannah claire brimelow
Because Libby doesn't see color.
That's right, I don't see color.
jeremy spike cohen
But this is like a 4D chess thing.
They're saying, see, we told you this system is systemically racist.
We told you, we told you that.
tim pool
Because we do it!
libby emmons
Because we are racist, we know it.
tim pool
Well there was that poll, I saw a screenshot from Fox News, and I didn't see a headline reflecting that particular aspect of the story.
The headlines were all like, Trump improves, and then you can read the poll and see that Trump is enjoying 20% support among black voters, according to Fox News.
I don't believe it.
I don't trust these polls.
But, far be it from me to say outright it is completely wrong, Wall Street Journal, I think it was a year ago, found the exact same, almost the exact same thing, 17%.
And a month or two before that, found that Latinos and Asians were also skewing towards the Republican Party.
And it may not be that they're skewing towards the Republican Party, but the left is going absolutely insane.
And the Democrats saying things like, we know gas prices are high, but sacrifice!
for Ukraine kind of drives voters insane and they're going to be like at this point I'll vote
for whoever offers me anything give me a ham sandwich and I'll vote for you. So I do think
it is possible these numbers are real and there was a lot of propaganda videos people put out
where it's you know like black dudes saying like yo I'm gonna be free with you I f with Trump man
yeah go Trump like yeah okay dude like come on you find a handful of guys it doesn't mean these
unidentified
polls are real. Those aren't fun videos though. They're fun but they're real.
tim pool
But the reason I'm skeptical is if this is true, Trump can't lose.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, there was actually something that came out, this would have been back in like 04 or 05, that said that if black support, if everything else remained equal, all other demographics remain equal, if black Democrat support went below 80%, there isn't a single state that they could win an election, a federal election or a statewide election.
tim pool
Wall Street Journal wrote that up, referenced it a couple years ago.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and that's why it was so significant when Trump gained like even two percentage points between 2016 and 2020 among black voters.
I mean, he is, this was like Edison and Pew Research that found it, but he is more likely to have support from black men than black women.
But especially in this, you know, four year gap that we've had Biden, it's, it wouldn't surprise me if he maintained the stamina that he had produced in the four years he was in office.
tim pool
It was funny, we had Fresh and Fit on the show on Friday.
And Fresh was telling us that Trump getting this mugshot is going to resonate with a lot of people who felt that they've been unjustly incarcerated.
They're going to see this guy who's being unjustly incarcerated.
It's going to resonate with him.
He's going to earn their vote.
Now, today, I saw this narrative where they're like, how dare you insinuate?
libby emmons
Yes, this has been coming up all over the place.
I've been dealing with this myself.
tim pool
Yeah, because Trump was put in jail, he'll gain black support as if all black people have been in jail.
And it's like, whoa, hold on there a minute.
libby emmons
Yes, hold on.
tim pool
They're, they're, they are.
So I can't speak for anybody else.
I can just tell you what we talked about on the podcast with Fresh and Fit.
But yo, Fresh is a black man telling me this.
And he was referencing specifically people who felt unjustly incarcerated, not all black people.
Now, I don't know where the other narrative came from.
Maybe someone said something else.
I'm not going to say that that idea came from this show, but people are saying it, and now they're getting offended that it's racist to imply.
jeremy spike cohen
I suspect he's going to get at least a little bit of a boost in black support if for no other reason than he created the greatest rap album cover art ever.
Like, that is the best.
Oh, that's really funny.
That mugshot.
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, I've been hearing this from people that it's like basically racist to say that a mugshot would engender support in the black community.
But by the left's own numbers, right, by the Democrats' own numbers, black people are proportionally by population more imprisoned.
Disproportionately.
Yeah, disproportionately imprisoned, locked up, you know, unjustly treated in the system.
And so now they're like, you could see someone else is being unjustly treated in the system.
Oh, just like me and my brother and whoever else.
And I think that it's true.
Like a lot of Americans, I think, have been arrested.
You know, most of the men that I know have been arrested at some point.
unidentified
Look at Stop and Frisk.
tim pool
The Democrats screamed that was racist.
And then when Bloomberg was mayor, he was challenged as mayor, he said, well, look where the crime is.
You know, that's where the Democrats, that's what it says.
And it's like, he's just, he's just saying too bad.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
unidentified
If the Democrats are claiming that black lives by doing it.
tim pool
If the Democrats are complaining, saying that black people are disproportionately targeted by police, and then someone says, I think that might benefit Trump, that he's being unjustly, you know, charged, it's absurd that people are like, how dare you?
But of course, Democrats, what else can you expect from them?
But utter hypocrisy.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's the bending of the logic.
They'll be like, well, Trump could never experience the things other people could experience, like, because he's, whatever, white and privileged.
I think part of it is, you know, As you watch him get buried in all this legal bureaucracy, getting 12 million documents sent to him, people identify their own challenges with law enforcement and the legal system, right?
They just see that, like, this is not a system that is meant to give you a swift trial.
It's not something that necessarily It's fair and it's not necessarily a racial sling so much as people who find that the system is broken is seeing that no one is safe from it.
Trump was the president of the United States and they're going to do whatever they can to try and use this arm of the government to keep him out.
jeremy spike cohen
If it could happen to the previous president, it could happen to anyone.
libby emmons
It is interesting too that the DOJ has been trying to accelerate the timelines in the cases that they're prosecuting and Georgia and New York both seem to be stretching it out a little bit.
It's like Georgia and New York want to get convictions after the DOJ gets convictions so that they can use those convictions in their case.
Even Alvin Bragg got permission to use Trump's testimony in the E. Jean Carroll case for his falsification of business documents case, which of course, I just want to point out, Hillary Clinton got charged with falsification of business documents.
She was fined $8,000.
The DNC paid $113,000.
That was for the creation of the Steele dossier, which they classified as legal fees.
They got that, and Trump's facing... It's multi-layered, right?
tim pool
They get one trial date, I think, in Georgia.
You've got Kenneth Chaseborough, October 23rd.
They will use all the testimony from all of these, and they'll keep layering it on.
The first mission to inundate Trump's sphere of influence with legal challenges that drain their resources and inhibit them from rallying, campaigning.
The second, of course, is to just put them in jail to get rid of them.
And another large component is, maybe lastly it's get them in jail if we have to, but the other large component is, can we utilize any of this testimony to remove Trump from the ballot?
Which brings me to this story.
Oh, it's getting worse.
From Politico.
New Hampshire Republicans feud over bid to knock Trump off 2024 ballot.
The state GOP chair defended Trump's eligibility on Monday.
We also have this from Friday.
Florida lawyer files challenge to disqualify Trump from 2024 race, citing 14th amendment.
Now that one hit Friday.
We know it has begun.
They're going to try and file all these legal challenges, say Trump can't be president.
But this is new from Politico.
Take a look at this.
New Hampshire Republicans have erupted in a feud over a long-shot effort to keep former President Donald Trump off the ballot in 2024, with the chair of the state GOP insisting Monday that the frontrunner for the party's nomination will be included.
In New Hampshire and elsewhere, some legal scholars and Trump critics have long argued the former president should be disqualified from the ballot under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment Which bars those who've taken an oath to support the Constitution from holding office again if they've, quote, engaged in insurrection against the United States or given aid or comfort to its enemies.
But the dispute is taking off in New Hampshire where Bryant Corky Messner, an attorney who ran on Trump's endorsement, Uh, and Senate nominee, blah, blah, blah, is questioning Trump's eligibility for the ballot.
I'm a constitutional conservative.
The words say what they say.
I quite frankly believe it is in Donald Trump's best interest to get this looked at as quickly as possible.
In any effort to keep Trump off the belt, we'll face a steep climb, blah, blah, blah, we get it.
But here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
State by state, it's not even 2024, and they're already trying to remove his name from the ballot.
If even a single state removes Trump's name from the ballot, you will have 75 million people at the bare minimum saying, we never had an election.
libby emmons
Yeah, I would say that.
I'm sure you would say that.
tim pool
Absolutely.
I mean, the 75 million people who voted for him last time around?
I can't imagine that they would consider it a free and fair election if Trump's name is taken off a single state.
Florida, especially.
If Trump's name's off in Florida, he can't win.
jeremy spike cohen
Especially off, especially prior to a conviction, right?
Like he's being found, essentially being found not guilty, being found guilty before a conviction and I also think that's why they're trying to push these things forward is they're not just looking at the, you know, gagging him or the political consequences of it, they're looking at trying to convict him so that he doesn't even qualify to run for president.
tim pool
But criminal conviction doesn't matter because the lawsuit citing the 14th amendment is a civil matter, it's a political matter.
So the question is, does a judge think Trump waged insurrection?
We're not here to, you know, the judge is going to say, the question laid before the court is not whether or not Trump committed a crime, but whether or not he waged insurrection.
Based on the evidence from the January 6th committee, media report, media report, media report, video, video, video, it seems clear the judge says, just says yes.
That's it.
And then it'll get appealed.
Here's the crazy part.
Let's just say it's December 12th, and it finally goes to the Supreme Court, it's rapidly pushed through, and they say, we reject this, you cannot remove Trump's name from the ballot.
The election was a month ago.
libby emmons
Right.
Yeah, that's a concern.
It's interesting too, because, and I'm sure you've seen it, the stories out from the Atlantic, New York Times, you know, NPR, whoever else.
Saying that Trump should be off the ballot that they should use this 14th amendment and then I was listening to a podcast Like an NPR podcast because I'm always interested to hear what they say what they say, you know And I'll be like that's not what happened But I'm always interested to hear it and they were saying that state like secretaries of state for each state and attorneys general They could make the decision themselves that Trump was guilty of an insurrection and pull his name off the ballot ballot and they were sort of encouraging People to do that.
I will say, though, that for the the New Hampshire thing, the New Hampshire GOP chair was on Charlie Kirk today and was saying that he talked with the Secretary of State and Attorney General and doesn't think the move against Trump on the ballot is going to happen.
But that doesn't mean that it couldn't happen in other states.
And certainly a lot of Democrats are saying that attorneys general have the power to do that.
What I don't understand is why... Wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
Unilaterally?
libby emmons
What?
tim pool
The Attorney General can unilaterally just say we take Trump off?
libby emmons
That's what they were saying on this podcast I was listening to today, was that they could, that the Attorney General could say he's guilty of an insurrection, that that could then be appealed.
But by that point, like you were saying, if he's already off the ballot, then the election interference has already happened.
unidentified
Right, right.
It's already happened.
libby emmons
You know, like you have to then encourage a pencil campaign, which I'm totally bringing a pencil to that.
tim pool
It won't work.
I mean, it's going to be an October surprise.
libby emmons
Right.
Something's going to happen.
tim pool
Because they want the legal challenge.
to uh to uh to go through after the after the election yeah that's right they do it in october you uh early voting and mail-in voting is happening and there's no name there's no trump on some of these bouts and you know what it's entirely possible based on what we saw in 2020 With the executive unilateral changes to the election rules and things like that, things like in Pennsylvania where they did universal mail-in voting in violation of their own constitution, a lower court judge said, yep.
Then the Supreme Court goes, nah, it's probably fine.
Even though any reasonable person can be like, yeah, your constitution says you can't do this, but they don't care.
They're gonna do whatever they want.
I wouldn't be surprised if, come October, they just, as you mentioned, Attorneys General, just take Trump's name off and say, there is no question.
Everyone knows he waged insurrection.
We've been talking about it for years.
jeremy spike cohen
Using that exact word, insurrection.
libby emmons
You have to use that word.
jeremy spike cohen
Right.
tim pool
Because they've been saying insurrection specifically because of the Constitution.
And then what happens is they say, if you have a problem with it, sue me.
And everyone does.
And then the election's over.
And they say, what's the big deal?
We had an election.
libby emmons
It's like with COVID when in New York State, Governor Cuomo shut down all the churches and a suit was brought and it ended up getting an emergency hearing before the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said, no, you can't shut down the churches.
But that was months and months and months later.
And by that point, like most of the people had stopped going to church altogether.
tim pool
And Cuomo said, okay, we'll get rid of it, and then he did another one in a slightly different way that did the same thing.
jeremy spike cohen
So then it could be challenged again, and months later be ruled to, yeah.
libby emmons
And I don't think they brought a challenge at that point, I think they were out of cash.
tim pool
I gotta tell ya, when people start to realize that the courts have no enforcement power, Everything's gonna start breaking down.
Because it's always, it's an interesting thing, right?
The executive branch has its enforcement power, the judicial, uh, uh, the legislative branch has subpoena power, and they can make criminal referrals.
It's a bit weaker.
The executive branch is obviously where most of the power is, almost all of it.
But the, uh, the courts, what can they do other than bang the gavel and say, do it?
And of course, you know, courts have some degree of enforcement, but it's minimal.
If a court says something and no one abides it, what do you do?
I tell this people when it comes to private matters too, like, you know, it's the old saying, a person can be judgment proof, or you can't get blood, you can't squeeze blood from a turnip.
I'm like, if you win a suit against someone, like look at Alex Jones, right?
They sue him for, what is it, like the entire GDP of France?
Like, that's what they requested.
I think they won like a billion dollars.
I'm like, you're not gonna get a penny out of him.
Because you get in line behind all of his other creditors.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah.
tim pool
It's just you can't just make these things happen.
There's no guarantees.
libby emmons
Also, they're ensuring that he stays on the air because he's going to need to stay on the air in order to earn money to pay them back.
tim pool
Oh, that's funny, too.
Yeah.
Unless I think they said they want to destroy him.
But here's my concern.
This is what I was thinking about over this past week.
We saw the Chas, the Chop, the George Floyd autonomous zone.
We saw the Atlanta autonomous zone.
These things popped up.
We saw random acts of violence.
And now you have, on top of the political violence, a story we'll get to in a minute, a GOP lawyer, we don't know what happened, was killed in his home.
He was stabbed to death.
Maybe political, maybe not, but we'll talk about that.
But with the escalation of political violence that we've been seeing, to the point where Stephen Marsh, who wrote the book The Next Civil War, says we're in civil strife.
I had a lingering thought about these autonomous zones.
It's funny to me that, so I was trending earlier on Twitter,
because I guess- In your own category, right?
In my own category too.
jeremy spike cohen
Yes, the Tim Pool category.
tim pool
Yeah, that's right, Tim Pool, striking Tim Pool.
And it was people talking about civil war.
It's like, oh, I said it to drink.
And I'm like, it's really interesting.
You know, honest question.
If I were to tell you that say, like a president claimed the election
was completely fraudulent, large amounts of his supporters were claiming
that he's the true president and Biden's illegitimate.
There had been a dispute over who actually won the election in the previous election cycle as well.
And then you ended up with a bunch of people storming into the Capitol and fighting with police in front.
You also had a roving band of 100-plus far-left extremists storm onto government property in Georgia, And in one instance, get into a shootout with police, shooting a cop, and then the cops shoot back, killing one of the extremists.
You have far-left extremists being arrested and charged overtly with domestic terror.
I'm like, at what point do you say, maybe, yeah, civil war, right?
My point is this.
All of that stuff, it's almost like you gotta keep reminding people that, hey, this stuff happened.
I don't know where it goes from here, but yeah, far-left extremists took over a government site in Georgia and opened fire on police.
After torching several homes in the area, the police came in and returned fire, a cop was struck, and one of the extremists was killed.
Like, yo, it's getting crazy, alright?
libby emmons
Yeah, that is crazy.
tim pool
Now imagine this scenario.
This is what got me worried.
Chaz and the George Floyd Autonomous Zone were on public property.
The Atlanta Autonomous Zone was on a Wendy's, but the Wendy's was burnt to the ground, and then everyone kind of abandoned the area.
So we have these different circumstances.
What happens if far-left extremists occupy a piece of private land?
Let's say in Georgia or Tennessee or something.
Slightly more conservative leaning area, near an urban environment.
They occupy, to set up their autonomous zone, on a derelict piece of private property.
The person who owns that property then goes to the police and says, get these whack jobs off my property, and the police say, we have no capability to do that.
Like we saw with Chaz, and with George Floyd, and Atlanta, the police backed down, and were like, we're not getting involved.
But what happens when a private owner, or corporation, says, if the police won't do anything about it, I will?
libby emmons
Well, you saw there was a guy in Atlanta who was a landlord.
He owned a home.
He was renting it out.
Tenants moved out.
A couple days later, he went to check on the home, and he was met with a guy with a shotgun, a bunch of dogs, and some prostitutes.
And he was like, oh, why are these people in my house?
He was like, you got to get out of my house.
The people in the house, the squatters, called the police, said that it was their home.
The police got the guy, you know, carted off.
It's six months later.
He's still waiting for the people to get out of his house.
He's still paying the mortgage!
And he's stuck.
He doesn't have a property.
He doesn't have any rights, apparently.
There was also, I mean, the other thing, too, is, like, it depends on where the government is.
Do you remember the MOVE organization in Philadelphia?
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
And they were bombed, actually, by the city.
Yep.
But this was a group of black nationalists who had Taken over a little area in Philadelphia in West Philadelphia.
They had purchased a property in Virginia and they were planning to move to Virginia get out of the city and there was a shooting of an officer officer ramp.
I think it was in 79 and a bunch of people like nine people ended up getting arrested and put in prison for that.
They were called the move nine.
And so they decided to stay.
And by staying, what ended up happening is the mayor of Philadelphia, who was a black mayor, is it Wilson Goode?
Am I remembering that correctly?
I don't know.
Anyway, he coordinated with the FBI and bombed... They firebombed it.
They firebombed it.
And as people were trying to run out, they shot them.
jeremy spike cohen
It was like Waco at a neighborhood level.
libby emmons
Right.
jeremy spike cohen
And it was a response to a legitimate issue, but they basically declared war on the neighborhood.
libby emmons
And they burned down houses, like, not just the MOVE compound, but they burned down houses in the area as well.
tim pool
You know, that's, uh, when the government was more, uh, had a stronger monopoly on their violence.
libby emmons
But the government was in control of the violence at that point, and that's not the same now.
tim pool
Right.
And so now, my concern is, what happens if another CHAZ happens, but it happens on, like, Abandoned property.
Not even abandoned, derelict is a better way to put it.
Like, someone owns it, and they're like, let's say a corporation.
You know, Nordstrom just shut down in San Francisco, which is like a big deal.
libby emmons
That is a big deal.
tim pool
The mall is still owned, right?
I think the building was forfeited by Westfield to the bank.
So, okay.
Let's say a large corporation owns three acres of land somewhere, and the far left decides, we're gonna take it, and no one can stop us.
Cops aren't going to go engage in a shootout.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They're going to ignore it.
libby emmons
Not in an abandoned mall.
tim pool
Not even an abandoned mall.
Like, let's imagine it's just like an old warehouse building that's not being used, but it's still on the books for some big corporation or moderately sized corporation.
Let's say like medium local or like corporation in a city that's got like a few board members and maybe a couple hundred employees.
So it's small enough but big enough.
The far left decides we're gonna take it because it's not being used.
It's got broken windows and graffitied all over.
But the people who own it are still keeping track of it.
And then what happens when the police are like...
jeremy spike cohen
We're not going to do anything.
tim pool
It's not on city property.
We're not going to get involved.
jeremy spike cohen
This is why the second amendment and the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense is so important.
Like we see over and over again with Chazz and with Chop, with Uvalde and with Parkland, like when the police have mandated that everyone is vulnerable to violence and that, you know, they're the monopoly on violence, they very often like kind of hang back.
And in a way you almost can't blame them because they also want to get home to their families.
But they were holding back parents that were trying to get in there.
In Uvalde, the guy who actually went in to kill the Uvalde shooter, he was an off-duty Border Patrol agent who ignored their orders not to go in there.
libby emmons
That was the most horrifying story.
jeremy spike cohen
It's horrific.
And the case you were talking about, the man in Atlanta, he was trespassed.
He was actually arrested until they realized he was the property owner.
At some point people need to realize you are your own first responder.
All the old cliche stuff our parents said about when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
They're minutes away to possibly hold you back as people victimize you.
And so we really need to understand just how paramount the right to self-defense is.
libby emmons
It's sort of terrifying.
I mean, I have, like, tried to avoid interactions with police my entire life.
Like, when I was a kid, at one point, there were police in my house, and I was like, ah, I'm not gonna repeat this.
This is never happening again.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
libby emmons
You know?
But it's like, it's very scary when you come into contact with police because they show up and they think everybody is the enemy.
jeremy spike cohen
Head on a swivel, yeah.
libby emmons
You know?
tim pool
That's what they do.
I mean, well, think about it this way.
libby emmons
Remember they killed that Australian lady?
tim pool
There was a... so you guys saw that video where the...
what was it, like Extinction Rebellion people or whatever?
In Nevada?
Have the barricades and... yeah, is that by Burning Man?
libby emmons
Yeah, it was all the people trying to get to Burning Man and the climate activists...
tim pool
Were blocking the road.
Well, the cops apparently got a call that someone had a gun.
I guess what happened was, someone told the police, you need to get down here and clear this barricade before someone shoots one of these protesters, something like that.
Then what happens is, the dispatcher says to the police, there's concerns about a potential shooting, we've got protesters, so then the cops think these protesters have guns.
And when the cop rams the barricade and jumps out with his gun, he says, where's the gun?
Several times.
Something like that.
I think that, I'm pretty sure.
I could be wrong.
But think about it from the perspective of a cop.
All you know is you got a call from dispatch saying, two people are fighting inside this house.
It's getting ugly.
We need someone to calm each other down.
And then you show up and there's a group of people in the house being like, get out of our house.
And some guy's like, that's my house!
Like, what do they do?
libby emmons
Yeah.
The Nevada thing was amazing.
tim pool
They typically do say, civil matter, have a nice day.
libby emmons
Right, like the Tracy Chapman song.
The Nevada thing was absolutely amazing, though, because you had climate activists blocking the road, you had Burning Man people trying to get through the road, and then you had tribal police show up to clear the road.
So the climate change people think they're on the side of the tribal police.
They think that they're on the same side as them.
The Burning Man people think they're on the side of the climate change people, but it turns out they're not.
Meanwhile, the tribal police are the ones who get, like, all, they have all the oppression points, so they're the ones who get to win, and then they show up as a bunch of guys in trucks with guns.
It was sort of, it was just fascinating to watch.
jeremy spike cohen
You did have a bunch of upper-middle class white people occupying native land.
libby emmons
Right, and that's one thing they said, you're trespassing on tribal land, is one thing the cops said to these people.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story.
This is from NBC Boston.
GOP activist and lawyer stabbed to death in his Durham, New Hampshire home.
Full stop!
We have no idea what happened.
It is entirely possible that this guy had a bad poker game and then somebody got mad at him.
No idea.
He could have been cheating on his wife and then she comes home and says, ah, and then they fight and then she stabs him.
We have no idea.
jeremy spike cohen
However.
tim pool
Not knowing, the issue is typically that whenever we get a news story about a victim who is left... No, no, no, let me stop.
I'll put it this way.
When Jussie Smollett comes out and claims some guy threw a noose around his neck, the whole world shuts down.
Every television network runs a tribute.
You get, at the time, Ellen Page saying, like, frantically, because some guy hate crime hoaxed all of us.
And then when you get a story about a GOP lawyer being stabbed to death, it's like, well, you know, we don't know exactly, so let's move on from this.
That's why I think this story matters.
Because maybe people on the right, be it post-liberal, libertarian, whatever you want to call yourself, should start saying, when these things happen, we make the assumption in the worst until we learn otherwise.
Because they went Balls to the wall for Jussie Smollett.
So how about we say we demand answers as to what happened to this GOP lawyer who got stabbed to death in his own home the police are claiming was self-defense.
I'm sorry.
It's going to be difficult for you to convince me, and it's possible, that a person in his own home was killed in self-defense by a different person.
It's possible.
You know, you invite someone to your house and then you have the intent of hurting them and they defend themselves.
It can happen.
But still, Lawyer in his own house stabbed to death.
I'm not leaning towards self-defense here, but I don't know everything.
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
It's hard because there's like no arrests made.
We're 12 hours out.
There's one article up from a local news station saying they've identified the person involved, but they haven't decided what's going on.
I mean, The longer there are no answers in communication, the more suspicious it gets, the easier it is to let sort of the conspiracy theory run wild.
tim pool
The day after Jussie Smollett.
This has been a week.
The day after Jussie Smollett.
How about the Bubba Rope incident?
libby emmons
Right.
The NASCAR thing.
tim pool
It is national news.
Headlines.
Everywhere.
And now we have this story and everyone's been like, well, you know, hold on there a minute, you know, we don't know for sure.
jeremy spike cohen
Which is the reasonable take to have.
tim pool
Exactly.
jeremy spike cohen
Like, this is how everyone should respond to stuff like this.
tim pool
Exactly.
jeremy spike cohen
Let's find out the facts.
No, exactly.
tim pool
That's why I said in the beginning, for all we know, we've got a bad poker game.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
But I think the issue here is I'm gonna lean towards, you know, the back of my mind, political.
Because when it comes to instances of mass tragedies and the perpetrator's left wing, they disappear.
Whenever the bad guy, whenever the person committing the crime happens to fall into the alignment of the corporate narrative, it's like, uh-oh, can't have that one getting out, and the story vanishes.
libby emmons
Well, it's like Jacksonville versus Nashville.
jeremy spike cohen
Just gonna say that, yeah.
The manifestos, yeah.
tim pool
That's right.
Or how about the guy who rammed the Christmas parade in, uh, where was it?
unidentified
Waukesha.
jeremy spike cohen
Waukesha.
tim pool
And then it was just like, no idea.
A truck did it.
A truck crashed into these people.
jeremy spike cohen
In the literal same city where the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings happened?
libby emmons
No, that was Kenosha.
tim pool
Nearby though, nearby.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think they were triggered by the same- It was a couple days after, because we were in Austin at the time and we- It was after- Kyle Rittenhouse had just gotten, I think within 48 hours this happened.
jeremy spike cohen
So they were right next to each other, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
And he had posted, the guy had had some like BLM related stuff on his Facebook page, but also he had like, Crashed his car into his child's mother before driving to the parade.
I mean, obviously it was a very unstable person.
libby emmons
And then he stops to try and get a sandwich, remember?
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, and he represented himself at trial, which was something to behold.
jeremy spike cohen
Did you see that trial?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I watched a lot of it.
I covered it for the site.
jeremy spike cohen
The patience that judge had.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought that judge should get a... I mean, because part of it was like, he just kept interrupting.
Like, you're saying, you know, when you don't believe in what the courts are ruling, you can kind of defy them.
It also turns out that if you don't want to follow the procedures of the court, it is challenging to enforce anything and also ensure the person who's representing themselves gets a fair trial.
He had to keep getting sent to another room to watch virtually, and then it's a question of, like, can he accurately represent himself?
This is a tangent, this is an aside, but you know, in the case of this lawyer, what's hard is like, either way, loss of life, very sad, you know, the police in this town are saying there's no threat to the public, so it's sort of playing, I actually think it's leaning towards domestic violence, or they're gonna imply it, but like, it is extremely difficult, I totally get you don't wanna Jump the gun and blow something up that you're giving the police a chance to accurately investigate.
On the other hand, it is hard to say this is a fairly prominent political figure in a state that's the first in the nation to primary.
So we kind of need some information here as soon as possible.
tim pool
And this past week, the GOP was arguing over whether or not to remove Trump from the ballot.
So I don't care to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, and my bigger concern is, as a reasonable person, you're right.
Domestic probably seems like what this may be.
The person who identified may be a significant other, and that's why they're like, Oh my god.
hannah claire brimelow
And they're saying self-defense, like who else would be in your home?
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, who else would be defending themselves in this guy's house?
tim pool
Right, not a visitor, but someone who actually lives there as well.
That being said, if the freedom faction of individuals, whatever you want to call that, the anti-establishment faction, does not get serious in their propaganda game, they lose.
And I don't mean to just lie, I mean to make noise, at the very least.
Win on the merits of being reasonable, that's why I opened the segment by saying, probably a bad poker game, who knows, but be noisy enough about it to force the conversation.
Because in the event that there is, and there have been, like Aaron Danielson, for instance, someone shot and killed in the streets of, I think it was Portland, right?
libby emmons
It was, yeah, Portland.
tim pool
By a far-left extremist.
libby emmons
Michael Reinoehl.
tim pool
These stories need to get max attention.
When Andy Ngo was mercilessly beaten and attacked with the concrete milkshakes in Portland as well, right?
Yeah.
That forced even Brian Stelter to say, OK, you know, we got to talk about this because it's like going massively viral.
There's images everywhere.
Attention needs to be brought to it.
And those are those are the victories where you can start to to convince these regular people who don't pay attention.
There's something going on here.
And I'll give a specific example.
Oliver Anthony.
He gets really, really big.
He issues these statements after the fact, like, why is Fox News playing my video?
Haha, it's about them.
He says it's not about politics.
It's not because he does not know what the culture war is.
Everything he sings about And he's a good avatar for this.
Everything he sings about representing working class people is effectively a right, quote-unquote, a culture war right position.
But then he doesn't understand because he's not involved deeply in it.
So when the media attacks him and calls him conservative, right-wing, and the left says these things, he's like, no, no, no, it's not left or right, I don't know what you're talking about.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just my lived experience.
libby emmons
Well, he didn't even have a Twitter account until August.
tim pool
And now here he is.
And that's my point.
These regular people, you go to them, they don't understand the depravity and the evil of the uniparty, neocon, neolibs, all of these warmongers and this garbage.
They don't get it.
The Jussie Smollett stuff, the woke corporations, they think, well, you know, I'm going to be somewhere in the middle, but they don't pay attention.
And then when you actually engage and you say something like, Look, I'm not here to argue about policy or anything like that, but it is true that Joe Biden got that prosecutor fired while threatening to withhold a billion dollars.
As soon as you say that, you're right-wing.
My favorite thing is when he said, you got money for foreign wars, you can't feed the poor.
It's like, That's a right-wing talking point.
Because the left says, sacrifice for Ukraine.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Like, you're in the politics, dude.
My point is, normies don't get it.
And if you're loud enough, and we bring up more stories like this, and we question these things, maybe they might start to see more of the issue.
libby emmons
No, go ahead.
No, by all means.
jeremy spike cohen
Oliver Anthony is kind of the personification of what Pericles said long ago, which is, you may not be interested in politics, but politics are interested in you, and we're seeing that.
This is a guy who, you know, writes songs, and he did one about his frustration with how things are going, and it was, I mean, there was a political element to it, but the guy clearly does not want to be political, and it seems like the rest of his songs aren't political to speak of, and he's been thrust into this political battle he didn't want to be a part of.
A part of me wants him to just be able to just be a guy who's making songs.
Unfortunately, he's being dragged into something he didn't even want to be a part of, which speaks to what you're talking about.
tim pool
It's because there is a culture war.
You do not, exactly as you mentioned, Pericles, I think you said, right?
You may not be interested in politics, politics is interested in you.
There's nothing you can do about it.
We're in a culture war.
If we were in, if it was 20, 30 years ago, you can say, I don't care for Democrats or Republicans, leave me alone.
And people might be like, okay, I get it.
Today, doesn't matter.
The moment he said minors on an island somewhere, far right.
That was it.
And then they started accusing him of being QAnon.
And he's like, I'm not political.
That song's about Joe Biden.
Joe Biden's the one funding the foreign wars.
And at the very least, while there are many Republicans who want war, there are many who don't.
So there's a debate happening over there and not one happening over there.
It is clearly more about one side than the other.
libby emmons
The other thing too, I mean you were talking about 20 years ago, the culture war, and it's like 20 years ago is about when artists and art programs and all that kind of thing started saying that you have to be an art activist and politics started being really infused into art programs, which is when I was in grad school and that's what it all turned into.
Like, I was studying theater, and the next thing I know, it's not about telling a good story, it's not about making something beautiful, it's about infusing your work with political narrative.
So that started there, and it's been pushing out this whole way.
And now we see, you know, like, Oliver Anthony can't get a song out without it being part of the culture war, but like, also you kind of need to know where you're squatting down, you know what I mean?
Like, take a look around.
tim pool
Right, I gotta completely agree with that.
The dude, uh, it's an awesome song.
I love Richmond, North of Richmond.
Obviously, everybody loves it because it's good.
But the dude is, he personifies in many ways a regular person.
And I mean this with no disrespect.
jeremy spike cohen
No, like literally.
tim pool
Right.
jeremy spike cohen
Yep.
tim pool
Seeing a lot of these problems we can all kind of identify while being lied to by the corporate press.
He did criticize them for it.
But my criticism back is, my dude, you must pay attention.
You must recognize who your enemies are and who your friends are.
And I'm not saying the Republicans are your friends by no stretch of the imagination.
Nikki Haley goes up on stage screaming lies about Putin wanting to invade NATO.
So she can justify her insane warmongering.
Yeah, Republicans are mostly bad as well.
But you need to recognize who will come after you when you say something like minors on an island somewhere, right?
It is going to be the politicians who are on that plane, who are typically aligned with the establishment and their corporate allies.
jeremy spike cohen
Well, and this is, I mean, this comes down to another way of saying you may not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you, is you may not be interested in democracy, but democracy is interested in you.
When more and more decisions that are being made aren't, we aren't allowing individuals to make them, we're democratizing them, what happens is that means that someone has to win.
Which means everyone else has to lose, and the people that lose have the winner's opinion enforced on them, whatever that thing is.
So it becomes less and less about, I disagree with how you live, or what your opinion is, you disagree about it, but we're living separately.
It's, one of us has to win.
So now someone that you disagree with is your enemy.
And so, of course, the culture war is only going to get worse and worse as things are more centralized and democratized.
And the answer, obviously, is the opposite.
Decentralization, allowing individuals to make their own decisions.
hannah claire brimelow
That was one of the things I liked about Oliver Anthony's Rise was that it comes from a kind of growing area of music.
I mean, it wasn't from, I don't know where music is headquartered in the U.S., I guess Hollywood and Nashville, depending on what you're doing.
It's sort of this other alternative form of music that's getting popular right now.
I think there is a desire to decentralize our sort of cultural capstones, but it's very difficult because I think that's not what the system, to give it a broad term, wants you to do.
libby emmons
Well, I think the art forms that are the most accessible for decentralization are comedy and music.
And so I think that that's in part why we're seeing more counterculture people coming out in music and comedy, but we're not seeing that as much in film.
It takes an awful lot of money to create an independent film or a series or a theater performance.
hannah claire brimelow
Or if you're an actor, if you get that black ball in your file, no one's going to want to hire you.
libby emmons
And they're on strike now, which I actually think is a boon to culture.
unidentified
I do too.
libby emmons
I think that's a great thing, that all of these people are not right now being paid to create garbage that we have to stuff in our faces, or stuffed in our faces, rather.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story, because with all the talk about trying to stop Donald Trump and get his name off the ballot, there's another strategy that may be coming.
ABC News has this one.
President Joe Biden says he will request more funding for a new coronavirus vaccine.
President Joe Biden said Friday that he's planning to request more money from Congress to develop another new coronavirus vaccine as scientists track new waves and hospitalizations rise, though not like before.
Okay, well what does this mean?
On its own, maybe not so much, maybe something.
We also have this.
Schools close, bring back mask mandates over the rise of COVID-19 cases.
I think we got another one here.
Citing rising COVID cases, these U.S.
hospital systems have now reinstated mask mandates.
Yeah.
You know, it's really worrying to me that for the first time in human history, a virus is not... We've got seasonal viruses, but now we're dealing with an election seasonal virus, which is particularly worrying.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy!
tim pool
But as always... How does it know?
hannah claire brimelow
How does it know?
tim pool
Well, it's just, you know, it's because as more people start gathering to rally, This virus spreads, you know, all people are going to these political rallies.
hannah claire brimelow
Only political rallies.
tim pool
Well, right, makes sense.
jeremy spike cohen
It knows the in-person voting is coming and so it prepares.
hannah claire brimelow
But if you're, you know, rioting, it doesn't mind.
It's not affected by that.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They're all wearing masks.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, that's so true.
tim pool
The rioters were wearing masks.
I mean, but literally, the rioters were wearing masks.
libby emmons
They didn't want to be seen either.
hannah claire brimelow
No, they didn't want to spread the virus, Libby.
How could you say that?
libby emmons
Oh, of course.
tim pool
As always, as always, I will stress, don't take medical advice from podcasters and talk to your doctor about what's right for you.
That being said, it's kind of hilarious that all of these different preparations are being made, and it would seem that another lockdown or heavy mandates are about to unfold.
jeremy spike cohen
So I'm also not a doctor, I'm just a Jew on the internet, and I can see where the confusion would come.
There's something that Biden said during that when he was talking about the new vaccine, that they're going to get funding for a vaccine that works.
tim pool
Let me read the quote.
This is from ABC News!
Back off, YouTube!
I signed off this morning on a proposal we have to present to the Congress a request for additional funding for a new vaccine that is necessary, that works.
What is that implication, Mr. President?
Now is not the time to be sowing any kind of anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, okay?
jeremy spike cohen
Why is noted anti-vaxxer Joe Biden not trusting the science?
hannah claire brimelow
You know Corinne Jean-Pierre is just like, do I say that he mixes up his words sometimes?
Or do I say he was misquoted?
Like, how do we spin this right now?
jeremy spike cohen
Make no mistake, that didn't happen.
tim pool
She just has to say it didn't happen.
unidentified
That's true.
hannah claire brimelow
Gaslight until you win.
tim pool
He added that it's tentatively recommended that everybody get it once the shots are ready.
jeremy spike cohen
No way!
It doesn't exist.
We have to pass it before you can find out what happens when you inject it.
Like, that's literally... No, you don't need to test vaccines.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know what you're talking about.
jeremy spike cohen
It hasn't even been developed yet, but you have to take it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
jeremy spike cohen
Because this time it will work.
And again, this is Joe Biden.
hannah claire brimelow
Joe Biden, who is also not a doctor, is tentatively recommended.
libby emmons
His wife is, though.
His wife is a doctor.
Dr. Jill.
hannah claire brimelow
Dr. Jill.
unidentified
She has doctor in her name.
libby emmons
She has doctor in her name.
unidentified
That's what her parents named her.
libby emmons
She's a doctor of education.
tim pool
But it's not really a doctor.
It's called something else.
libby emmons
Is it?
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
It's not a PhD.
tim pool
It's not a PhD.
It's called something else.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm pretty sure she has her PhD.
tim pool
Nope.
It's not a PhD.
It's something else.
jeremy spike cohen
It's not.
She doesn't even have a doctorate.
tim pool
It's an educational doctorate, it's called something else.
jeremy spike cohen
Listen, whatever she is, if she tells me that the thing that hasn't even been invented yet, I have to take it, then I have to trust her, because she does call herself a doctor.
libby emmons
Biden did recommend it for everybody.
tim pool
Did you figure out what it is?
hannah claire brimelow
She has a doctorate in education, but it's not saying it's not considered... It's not a PhD.
libby emmons
I'm looking for.
Oh, it's an EdHD or something, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it is an HD.
But they're saying she can still use the term doctor.
Mainstream media is really defending her ability to use it.
libby emmons
They really want her to be able to use it.
I think that's why she got the PhD.
hannah claire brimelow
Dr. Jill Biden deserves her title.
It's an EDD.
libby emmons
What?
tim pool
She has an EDD.
libby emmons
Okay, there you go.
tim pool
Or an EdD, right, Educational Doctorate.
Okay, so a doctorate, yes, but it's not a PhD.
libby emmons
Sounds like trash.
unidentified
Sorry.
libby emmons
Sorry, Jill.
tim pool
I don't even, whatever.
I don't know, what, philosophical doctor?
Is that what a PhD is?
libby emmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's just so stupid anyway.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Credentialism.
libby emmons
It is.
hannah claire brimelow
It's rampant.
tim pool
She slapped a title on the way to cover herself.
Also, typically... Dr. Hannah-Claire Brimelow, what were you saying?
hannah claire brimelow
That's me.
Thank you, Dr. Tim Pool.
Who's not a medical doctor, but he's a philosophical doctor.
libby emmons
No, I think he's a doctor of podcasting.
hannah claire brimelow
That's true.
You are.
tim pool
A P.O.D.
jeremy spike cohen
A P.O.D.
hannah claire brimelow
And he's a doctor of trending.
tim pool
Announce the creation of Tim Katz University and the granting of the PhD to Libby.
libby emmons
Thank you.
tim pool
I'm excited.
No one ever said my university was accredited, but nobody asked.
jeremy spike cohen
And I tentatively recommend that everyone enroll in this because this is a university that's going to work.
tim pool
Okay, but in all seriousness... It's decentralized.
Here's my question to YouTube.
This vaccine doesn't exist yet.
Are we allowed to question it?
unidentified
Are you allowed to question something that— Dr. Tim Pool, you're posing a really great moral and philosophical question.
hannah claire brimelow
I can't wait for your course on this in the coming fall term.
tim pool
Are you allowed to question a vaccine they have not yet invented?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
libby emmons
I guess— This is the Socratic method.
Look at this.
This is perfect.
unidentified
You have to trust the future science.
jeremy spike cohen
Yes.
tim pool
But now back to the politics.
Do you guys think they're going to lock everybody down?
jeremy spike cohen
I don't, and here's why.
The environment—well, let me rephrase that.
I think there are some areas, some of the more bluer and more, I guess, more metropolitan areas, might have limited restrictions.
I don't think we're going to see the kind of lockdowns we saw before, because that required an environment of people that this was a brand new thing that they were horrified at.
I remember when I made my first anti-lockdown video in March of 2020, and I was being attacked by libertarians, many libertarians, who were saying, well, we don't know how serious this is.
Maybe we should, you know, maybe we should, you know, wait and see.
They were scared.
People were legitimately and understandably scared.
libby emmons
It might have been the apocalypse.
I mean, come on.
jeremy spike cohen
Everyone was comparing it to the movie Contagion.
libby emmons
Sure.
jeremy spike cohen
And the thing is, had it been that serious, I still would have been against lockdowns because only an idiot would have gone out outside.
You wouldn't have needed to mandate it.
But it created an environment where average everyday people were like, you know what, let's at least give it a couple weeks.
I don't know, let's give it a I don't think that happens this time.
COVID never went away and everyone's just like, you know what?
We now know what it is.
We know our relative risk tolerance and so forth.
We're going to live our life kind of doing what we've been saying from all along.
If you don't feel well, stay home.
And if you think you're a high risk tolerance, then adjust accordingly.
And if you don't, then adjust accordingly.
I don't think lockdowns are going to be something they're going to be able to do.
hannah claire brimelow
And even Fauci has thrown around the word endemic, right?
It's harder to get people to lock down for something that they've been living with for several years and have figured out how to manage, right?
Like, I don't really hear people saying, like, well, you have to test before you come to my wedding or whatever anymore.
I also have this theory that they actually don't want full-blown lockdowns because that means that kids would have to go back to online schooling and that really drove a surge in homeschooling.
libby emmons
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
Because it uncovered all these things where parents were mad at us.
libby emmons
Because we got to see like that's like it was when my son was doing virtual learning that I realized that they were having a two-day course on what was it white privilege and systemic racism and I got my voice recorder ready and I lined it up and I like voice recorded the whole thing for like the two days of that.
hannah claire brimelow
That's wild.
libby emmons
And my son was like, mom, our whole family is racist.
unidentified
And I was like, no, no, not actually.
jeremy spike cohen
Also a Democrats president and they don't want massive job losses.
So I mean, there's that as well.
I don't, I don't see.
libby emmons
And they'd can't, and if they had to pay everybody to stay home, they'd have to pull money from Ukraine.
And we already know that Zelensky's asked us and Europe to fund the next election.
jeremy spike cohen
Or they do like they did in 2020 and 2021 and just print out like 40% of all the currency ever created.
That worked amazing!
And so where we already have high inflation in a year or so later, now you're looking at 15, 20% official inflation and probably closer to 25% unofficial.
I just, I don't see that happening.
I do.
They're, they're pushing these mask mandates.
And I think it's a lot of it is like, how far can we push?
Government is a habitual line stepper.
It is this constant, like, how much can I make people do what I want them to do?
But I think they realize that the lockdowns, even with people as scared as they were, they turned up the boiling water a little too hot for the frog to tolerate.
They've kind of gone back, and I think now they're going to do these, like, kind of smaller thing, like, well, can we get a mask mandate?
But just in, you know, the more blue areas, is that going to work?
How far can we push?
I don't see lockdowns happening.
tim pool
We were talking about this before, and I said I think that they'll do guidelines.
Recommendations?
jeremy spike cohen
Recommendations, yeah.
libby emmons
Oh, guidance.
Remember guidance?
tim pool
That was a fun time.
That gives them the ability to roll out universal mail-in voting and early voting.
Oh, that's happening.
jeremy spike cohen
No, that's happening.
tim pool
But they'll have an excuse now.
They'll say, well, we can't lock everything down because the economy, you know, so we're going to recommend people quarantine, we're going to recommend masks, and we're going to recommend vaccines.
And obviously, for those that have decided to quarantine, which is the right thing to do, we're going to send you a mail-in vote.
So then what they do is they just say, we're going to send everyone a mail-in vote because we're not going to spy on you and see who's choosing to quarantine and who's not, and that'll be their justification.
hannah claire brimelow
We're not going to spy on you right now, but we will other times.
jeremy spike cohen
We are spying on you, but we're not going to admit that we're spying on you.
Exactly.
tim pool
Yeah, they're spying on everybody.
libby emmons
That's next in the new update.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it would be hard to get certain states to lock down, especially governors that are ambitious politically, having seen basically DeSantis's rise because of his stance against lockdowns.
I think you would maybe get a couple blue governors who are like, this is a morally correct thing to do.
But for the most part, they know it's it's essentially a political death sentence.
tim pool
They got to do something because Trump's going to win.
Trump lost.
I love the Never Trumpers and they're like, Trump can't possibly win.
He lost by 42,000 votes in three states.
He just needs to win these swing states.
That's the key right now.
The country's massively divided.
libby emmons
Which one are they?
It's Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin?
Is that what is being talked about?
Those three?
jeremy spike cohen
Either Wisconsin or Michigan.
libby emmons
I think it's Wisconsin.
He's got no chance in Michigan.
jeremy spike cohen
He won Michigan in 2016, but it was by a sliver, yeah.
libby emmons
And then they got Whitmer.
tim pool
No, but someone want to look up what the margins were in 2020?
libby emmons
We know what they were in Georgia, 11,780.
tim pool
Right, I think in Michigan it might have been like 20,000 or something.
I could be wrong.
I'll look it up.
Look, I think Trump can recover in any one of these states.
I think Trump could even get a couple percentage points of the popular vote and the reason is You know, you get all these people that think 2020 was stolen because fraudulent ballots and double counting and things like that.
It's like, okay, sure, fine, maybe, whatever, prove it.
Maybe you're right.
I think the real issue is actually simple.
Everyone was locked in their house and the mail-in votes arrived.
It's just a really simple equation.
Lock everyone inside house, mail them ballot, blame Trump, then knock on their door and say, can I have that ballot back, please?
Now, if there's no lockdown, they'll go knock on the door, and let's say the failure rate here is only 7%.
Let's say 93% of the doors they knock on, someone is home, and we'll fill out the ballot and give it back.
A 7% drop, Trump wins.
Even 7%, we saw that from the story about Donald Trump and the Hunter Biden laptop story.
That if, what did they say?
libby emmons
Yeah, it was like 17%.
Wasn't it 17%?
No, it was like- Said that they would have changed their vote if they had known about the laptop.
tim pool
And that accounted for, they said something like if 7% of people did not vote Democrats or switched for Trump, Trump wins.
I think it was less than seven, it was like a lot less.
It was 42,000 in a few states.
If the Democrats lose a small fraction of the people who are locked in their houses, they can't win.
I don't care what the popular vote is, even if Trump could or couldn't get it.
The electoral vote, they're not going to be able to secure.
Not to mention, you know, the economy's bad.
You know what?
Let's do this.
I have this video I want to pull up for you that's going viral.
Ian Miles Chong has this tweet.
Life is hard and it's getting harder for the middle class.
I'll just play a little bit of this clip for you guys.
unidentified
Seriously, my bills alone are $3,000 a month.
I'm a single mom who receives fucking like $300 a month in child support for two kids.
I can't do this anymore.
I work every single day.
I get maybe a day off.
Sometimes if I'm lucky, I'll get two fucking days off.
I'm sick of it.
I'm so sick of this.
And I fucking forgot to pay my daughter's braces.
And now I have to bring her in for them to remove them because I can't afford to pay it all off at once.
I am so sick of this country.
I'm so sick of how expensive everything fucking is.
Something needs to happen.
tim pool
And that something is Donald Trump.
No, I'm half kidding.
But maybe if you, to this woman, and not personally, but in general, The economy was really, really great in 2019.
It was nice.
I went, I love telling this story, went to a furniture store, we were starting the podcast, this is like January, this is January of 2020, and starting to test our own.
And I said, I'd like to buy some furniture.
We need a table that we can sit at.
And so we bought a table.
And the woman who was doing the sales was really excited as she wrote up the $5,000 ticket for all the crazy stuff we were buying to build a studio.
And she was laughing.
She was like, she was like, thank you so much.
She's like, wow.
She's like, I gotta be honest, this is a really great day for me.
You walked in and just bought it on the spot.
And I was like, well, we know we needed it.
You guys had it.
We had checked it out before.
And she was like, man, it's just been going really good for me.
And I was like, what happened?
She goes, this has been the best year of my life.
She's like, I've never made more money.
We had a contractor doing work for the studio.
And he said, I've never made more money in my life.
It's been absolutely fantastic.
Then COVID hits.
Trump loses.
Now you have Biden and all the ramifications that came with COVID, which was both Republicans and Democrats.
And now you have these people under Joe Biden saying, I hate this effing country.
I'm sick of how expensive everything is.
It's like, okay, let me show you another story.
Let me see if we have it here from, no, it's not there.
Here we go.
From the Postmillennial.
Washington Power Company raises rates to cover increased expense due to climate legislation.
AG's office instructs them not to tell consumers the reason for higher prices.
Keep voting for him!
Keep voting for him!
Vivek Ramaswamy goes on stage and says that the climate change agenda, the anti-carbon agenda, is the wet blanket on the economy.
It's right there in your face.
So if you're wondering why it is that you are struggling, blame the Democrats and the far leftists and the people who are trying to shut down energy.
But hey, Don't let me just give a free pass to Republicans.
I'm not a big fan of them either.
But if you're coming and advocating for a carbon neutral energy policy and then telling us we can't have nuclear energy, I say F off.
You're a liar.
libby emmons
Well, because they are a liar, because nuclear energy is the cleanest, most efficient power.
jeremy spike cohen
It's also the most carbon neutral one.
So like from their own talking point of the most important thing, more so than anything else, is that the energy that we're getting is as carbon neutral as possible.
Nuclear energy per kilowatt hour is exponentially more carbon neutral than the so-called renewables are.
libby emmons
We also have an issue, too, where nuclear energy is something that we can generate here in the United States, whereas solar... We don't want to generate our own energy!
No, why would we want to do that?
Where, like, solar and wind, we have to go buy all that stuff from other countries, import it over here, using fossil fuels, of course, for our boats and whatnot.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, it's also the safest form of energy production.
Nuclear is.
libby emmons
I blame the boomers for that.
jeremy spike cohen
This is 100% the boomers.
libby emmons
Yeah, because there were nuclear weapons, they freaked out because they had to hide under their desks in the 1950s as school children, and then they took over the world and decided to delete everything that was worthwhile.
jeremy spike cohen
This is your fault, Dad.
tim pool
It's the whale's fault.
unidentified
It's the whale's fault, and I can explain.
tim pool
Sweet, delicious whale.
No, I'm kidding.
I've actually had whale before, it's disgusting and I don't recommend it.
libby emmons
Seems greasy.
jeremy spike cohen
I was really looking forward to that theory.
tim pool
No, no, no, it is the whale's fault, I'll explain.
So Greenpeace, right?
They were concerned about nuclear tests that were being done in the ocean.
The initial purpose of Greenpeace, this is my understanding, was to stop these nuclear tests.
So they would get their little boat, and they would go and sit in these areas where they wanted to do nuclear tests, and then they were like, we can't do it, because they're there.
And part of the reason was that it was devastating to whale populations.
It saved the whales.
One of the co-founders of Greenpeace broke off and formed Sea Shepherds to protect whales.
So this initial activism to stop nuclear weapons from Greenpeace transformed into a desperate, well, now that we stopped something that's bad, how can we squeeze the teat milk all these other morons for their donations. And Greenpeace
went from let's stop nuclear bombs into how can we lie to people to
keep maintaining our facade of environmentalism. They now just say whatever
stupid garbled nonsense they have to to trick morons into giving them money. One of
those things is that nuclear power is bad and they revel in it because they make
lots of money from it. It's a cash game and it's beautiful profit. And going
jeremy spike cohen
back to what Libby said it all started with their opposition to nuclear weapons
testing.
So this would be like opposing solar panels because of melanoma or something like that.
It has nothing to do with it.
It's literally, it is what, and in fact, the reason that we tend to use the less efficient hard water reactors is because the US government and other governments prioritized the production of nuclear weapons Over actual energy production, whereas newer forms of nuclear energy production, like thorium salt reactors and things like that, are far more efficient.
The half-life of the waste only lasts, I think, like a hundred years instead of tens of thousands of years.
libby emmons
Right, I've been reading about that.
jeremy spike cohen
In every way, it's better.
It's meltdown-proof.
I'm not going to try again.
I'm not a scientist.
I'm just a Jew.
But in every way, it's even safer than nuclear, which is already exponentially safer and better than everything.
tim pool
Now we've got the advent of fusion.
Which, uh, I believe they've already reached ignition.
Big stories.
Now they've actually, they're trying to figure out how to actually capture the energy from the ignition process.
Right.
Miniature suns, I guess.
Uh, that's going to kick off an energy expansion by which human race has never experienced.
And we are going to, we, we, Elon Musk, we need you.
We need Elon Musk.
You know why?
Rapid energy expansion.
I don't know the actual numbers for the exponential increase in energy output that we'll get from fusion relative to fossil fuels, but I believe nuclear is the most efficient, I believe, correct?
The highest energy output that we have.
It's remarkable, it's carbon neutral and it's got a massive energy output and they don't do it.
So I watch this really amazing little mini documentary on energy.
It starts with human energy.
We eat food, convert that food into kinetic energy through our muscles, the sugars, and we build things.
We then figured out, hey, this big creature over here can pull it for me.
And so they strapped it to a cow, made the cow pull.
It's animal energy.
Then we started burning wood, then coal.
We get petroleum, all of these rapid expansions of energy extraction rapidly increase human population,
technological development, et cetera.
Once fusion kicks off, if we get to that point where we've got fusion reactors everywhere,
And we need them fast.
libby emmons
Well, and that's the whole point, right?
The whole point of humanity, to a large degree anyway, is to create more stuff, to go faster, to go further, right?
So, you could look, I mean, people do.
They look at the history of humanity as the history of energy consumption and energy creation.
And we do that.
And so, like, we hit fossil fuels, which was great, which elevated so many millions of people out of poverty globally.
And now we're asking the entirety of humanity to take a step backwards by using less good energy resources instead of exploring and developing better ones.
Nuclear is the way to go forward.
Or this, you know, this other fusion thing is the way to go forward.
That's how we get to other planets.
And that is, of course, the goal.
tim pool
Well, whether or not we go to other planets can be your opinion, whatever.
We can simplify this for the average working class person.
libby emmons
But we are explorers.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
But I just want to say this for the average person who says, bro, I don't care about Mars, I don't care about Venus, I don't care about Neptune or Alpha Centauri or whatever.
I just want to know why I can't buy bread.
You can't buy bread because they are putting a wet blanket on the economy.
They could build nuclear.
They ain't gonna do it.
They want to shut down your fossil fuels without giving you an alternative because the real answer, the real reason they're doing it is probably communism.
And so, they want to restrict what you can do, control what you can do, and you suffer because of it.
Keep voting for them.
Look, I don't blame this lady who's talking about her kids and the hardships she's dealing with because everyone's dealing with that.
I don't blame the working class for being exploited.
But to a certain degree, I beg of these people to pay attention.
It's why it's so important.
When people are like, ah, don't pay attention to politics, I'm like, dude, I have little respect for that because you can't complain about why the prices are so high and then say, but I don't do anything about it.
jeremy spike cohen
Or even know why.
tim pool
Or know why.
Your complaints, they mean nothing to me.
You come to me and be like, well, my house is burning down.
I have no idea what's happening.
I just like lighting matches in my living room and flicking them onto the floor.
And I'm like, okay, well, maybe that's what caused your problem.
Maybe you did a thing and you're not paying attention to it and you burned your house down.
libby emmons
I was surprised in that.
Oh, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
No, that's it.
I just keep voting.
They keep voting for this.
libby emmons
I was surprised in the video that you can repossess someone's braces.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that is sort of fascinating to me.
tim pool
Well, I think the issue is they have to get taken off and so she has to choose to pay to have them removed or go into like default, go into debt from the maintenance of them.
jeremy spike cohen
I did always wonder that though, like for any of these procedures or like Invisalign or any of this, if you're on installment plans, what happens if you don't pay it?
They repossess.
libby emmons
They re-pull your braces.
jeremy spike cohen
They re-pull your braces or your retainer, I guess.
tim pool
I don't think that's what it is.
I think the doctor's more than happy to leave the braces on your mouth indefinitely because, screw you, you can't pay.
And she's saying, I can't afford this.
hannah claire brimelow
So we have to stop.
tim pool
So we have to stop and get them taken off.
jeremy spike cohen
Oh, okay.
You know, I battled this in 2020, because I was traveling the country campaigning for vice president, and I would talk to people who would go, yeah, you know, things are bad, but if they could just, you know, get us reliable checks.
And I was trying to explain to them, like, okay, what's happening right now is they've essentially shut down production for the most part.
And they're going to print out ridiculous amounts of the currency that you use every day to buy things, and they're going to hand it to you.
But in doing so, they're also going to hand a bunch off to the multi-trillion dollar companies at the same time, and they're going to get the lion's share of it.
But in doing so, they're going to greatly expand the amount of currency without adding value.
They're actually taking away value by making you stay home, so you have more money chasing fewer goods and services And in very short order, once things begin to turn back to normal, you're going to see shortages.
You're going to see supply chain issues.
And yeah, you're going to see rapid price inflation because price inflation is just an extension of monetary inflation.
And that's what we've seen.
And, you know, you had a handful of people in D.C.
like Thomas Massey and Justin Amash and a handful of others who were speaking out against this.
Everyone else, either because they wanted it or because they were afraid to go against the corporate media narrative about it, they went along with it.
And we're now suffering the consequences of it.
tim pool
And to be fair, I was more in line with Trump.
Spend the money, figure it out.
And I think hindsight being 20-20, we now realize the mistake that was.
But I think for the most part, too many of us trusted the machine when it said we were dealing with a deadly pandemic.
We saw these videos coming out of China, and I think good people tried to be good people and said, look, you know, like, these people collapsing, it's terrifying.
Now we look back and we're like, okay, it was bad, but like, man, did they overhype this and drive us into the ground over nonsense.
And the real reason was probably political control.
jeremy spike cohen
Well, they also hid origins.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, they still do.
libby emmons
They still do.
jeremy spike cohen
And the thing is, we're not, we aren't quite at smoking gun territory yet, but we're at, like, the smell of gunpowder territory.
It's like, I mean, we're getting there where we already, here's what we already know.
The NIH-funded Echo Health Alliance using gain-of-function research to greatly increase the function and to humanize viruses that were at least, the one that we know of, is at least, I think, either 96% or 98% genetically similar to the virus that creates COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2.
So we don't have that smoking gun yet, but it was at the Wuhan lab that it happened at, and as soon as anyone even asked a question about it, they were called racist!
libby emmons
Racist!
Because that led me to start saying everything was racist.
Like, you know, my son would be like, Mom, can we go to Walmart?
And I'd be like, that's racist.
hannah claire brimelow
Can we have spaghetti for dinner?
libby emmons
That's not racist.
That's like the one thing I always make for dinner.
jeremy spike cohen
Here's what's wild about that.
They were saying, gain-of-function research, that's racist.
It's because Chinese people were eating bats.
libby emmons
We're like, oh, okay.
tim pool
Hold on there a minute.
jeremy spike cohen
Wait, that sounds racist to me.
tim pool
Right.
Well, we, uh, no one's ever accused them of not being hypocrites, so.
jeremy spike cohen
Fair enough.
No, that's actually true.
You've got segregationist ally Joe Biden in there, the man who is famous for in the 19- The crime bill.
The crime bill, uh, the, uh, in the 1970s, okay, forced segregation had ended at what, like, several years prior to that, at that point, and he was He was in an interview, he said that he had an issue with integration because he feared that his children were going to grow up in a racial jungle.
libby emmons
Right, with Corn Pops kids.
tim pool
With Corn Pops kids!
Yeah, I got a couple theories about Corn Pop on this one too.
One...
This is a long time ago.
This is back, like, how old was Joe Biden and the Corn Pop story?
This is segregation era.
So I'm wondering if Corn Pop was a black dude and the real issue that Joe Biden had with him was his race.
Here's, you know, a guy who's not supposed to be here.
I also think the simpler answer is that Joe Biden told the story about how little kids were rubbing his legs.
I bet Corn Pop was like, hey, you creep.
Get off them kids!
And then he holds a chain and he's like, what'd you say to me?
jeremy spike cohen
I was gonna say, even by his own story, it started because he was making fun of the black man's hair, the guy got upset, and so he responded by threatening to hang him with a chain!
Like, this is his story.
hannah claire brimelow
This is the Democratic incumbent.
jeremy spike cohen
This is his endearing lynching story.
libby emmons
It's Joe Biden's endearing lynching story.
jeremy spike cohen
Minutes, moments earlier that day where he talked about how he would force black children's faces under the water so they could stroke his legs or whatever.
I was like, yeah, this is a great story, Joe.
libby emmons
This is very bizarre.
tim pool
That's why I kind of think that Corn Pop probably saw him doing that, because that's part of the story.
unidentified
It's like, the kids, they'd rub my, I got hairy legs, and the kids would rub my legs.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, they loved it.
tim pool
There's a cartoon of that.
libby emmons
That is so nasty.
hannah claire brimelow
So weird!
jeremy spike cohen
It's not like he has a history of sniffing children's hair.
libby emmons
We've all been kids.
Did you ever feel compelled to rub somebody's leg?
hannah claire brimelow
A strange man's leg?
joe biden
A strange man's leg?
tim pool
Here, I'll play it.
jeremy spike cohen
Oh, there's the video.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe biden
I got hairy legs that turn, that turn blonde in the sun.
jeremy spike cohen
That child's face is all of us.
joe biden
I used to come up and reach in the pool and rub my leg down so it was straight, and then watch the hair come back up again.
They'd look at it.
So I learned about roaches.
I learned about kids jumping on my lap.
jeremy spike cohen
Oh yeah, he called them roaches, yeah.
Called black children roaches.
joe biden
And I love kids jumping on my lap.
libby emmons
Yikes.
jeremy spike cohen
Maybe Cornpop was just mad that he was calling black children roaches.
The entirety of that story, there is nothing about it that isn't creepy or racist.
And it was presented as... Wholesome.
This is where he told the corn pop story, right?
tim pool
Yes.
This video is like from a few years ago.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, this was on the campaign trail.
libby emmons
All the time.
tim pool
He was calling little black kids roaches?
jeremy spike cohen
Yes, he said he loves roaches in that clip.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
But I think everyone's like, what is this person talking about?
libby emmons
Who even knows?
I didn't even know that he was calling that 29.
hannah claire brimelow
Cause you don't, it's so funny.
unidentified
I didn't know.
libby emmons
I love roaches.
I had no idea what he meant.
tim pool
This is where he told the corn pop story, right?
jeremy spike cohen
Yes.
tim pool
Okay.
Joe Biden's racist.
News at 11.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Well, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
But the proof has been there the whole time.
Like, that's what's so interesting about hearing, like, someone recite it and be like, and then he said this crazy thing.
And they said this crazy thing.
And it's like, oh, wait, he has been open about this the entire time.
And somehow they have repackaged him enough to get him to the presidency.
Like, that's the craziest part to me.
libby emmons
What I think is really wild, too, is that we keep having all of this stuff come out about Hunter Biden, about his foreign business relations, about how Joe Biden was on speakerphone calls, right?
He was on speakerphone calls with executives of Burisma, you know, saying like, hey, hey, dad, these guys could use our help, you know, and Biden being like, OK, that sounds great, you know?
Pleasantries.
And then get off the phone.
We keep seeing all of this stuff.
We see the documents from Comer that come out.
We see, like, all of this about all of this potential bribery stuff.
And it just doesn't seem to make a dent anywhere.
It doesn't seem to, like, impact the culture at large.
It doesn't seem to, like, get any kind of foothold.
And I was listening to another one of these stupid podcasts.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, that's our industry, right?
libby emmons
Not these podcasts.
jeremy spike cohen
Not like this good podcast.
That was a qualifier.
libby emmons
Stupid podcast.
on another NPR podcast.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, OK.
unidentified
That makes me just very stupid.
libby emmons
And they were saying that the David Weiss investigation into Hunter Biden, of course, because the attorney general
who foiled the investigation is now the special counsel
for the investigation.
They were saying that David Weiss would be unlikely to use any of the information dug up by
Congress because it would be irrelevant to his case.
How is that possibly irrelevant?
That the president and his son took like $10 million bribe, Because they're nice guys!
tim pool
Because he's got hairy legs!
unidentified
He's got hairy legs and a mansion in Malibu.
jeremy spike cohen
One of the things that frustrated me the most during the Trump presidency was when he got elected, or shortly before he got elected, he found out, or we all found out, that Obama's FBI had been spying on him.
Explicitly to try to make sure that he could get basically what they're doing now, to prosecute him so he couldn't run and he'd be in prison.
So he knew that, now he's in office.
Then while he's in office, they do the Steele dossier, they do all the so-called PP story, the golden shower story, they do all this stuff to not just discredit him, But to try to now try him essentially for treason and to impeach him for that, and I thought, here it comes.
This man's been talking about smashing the deep state.
I've been advocating for the abolition of the FBI for quite some time.
It's gonna happen.
And then he would sign off on omnibus bill after omnibus bill that gave them even more funding than they had gotten previously.
And then you would hear like you know when something would happen like the chaos that was happening during some of the riots and he would call for like federalizing the police response and it was like you're not getting it like it's not they're not just against you this system is a bad system that needs to be smashed you said you were going to do it you were elected at least in part you were elected because you weren't Hillary Clinton but you were elected at least in part because you said you were going to smash the system I feel like I'm that meme where I'm poking with a stick and saying, you know, come on, do the system smashing.
Hate that possum!
unidentified
Hate that possum!
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, just please, come on, you know, smash the system.
And even now he's not calling for ending the FBI.
tim pool
Let's talk about this story.
We have this from the Post Millennial.
We have a lot of Post Millennial tonight, huh?
Former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin confirms he was fired after Joe Biden demanded it.
Now, a couple years ago there was a sworn affidavit from Viktor Shokin where he attests to just this, but now we have him giving a public statement on this where he spoke to Fox News and he outright said, yeah, so that's your story Libby, why don't you tell us what happened?
libby emmons
Yeah, so basically, Viktor Shokin went on with Bret Baier, and he confirmed that he was told when he got fired that it was Joe Biden's wish that he be fired.
tim pool
Let's slow down real quick.
There may be a lot of people who have no idea who this guy is.
libby emmons
Do you want me to do like a whole thing?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'll just give you the general gist, and then you can take it away a little bit more.
libby emmons
I'll give it a shot, yeah.
tim pool
Joe Biden flew to Ukraine, said, I will illegally withhold aid.
He didn't say illegally, he said, I will withhold aid, a billion dollars, unless you fire a prosecutor.
This is the the crux of the whole argument either against Trump demanding his impeachment or against Joe Biden for being corrupt.
Victor Shokin is the guy who got fired.
He is saying he got fired because Joe Biden demanded it.
And Joe Biden likely took bribes anyway.
libby emmons
Yeah.
So I was going to look up the story, but I'm just going to go from memory because my Google isn't working.
Yeah, so basically, Victor Shoken was a prosecutor who was investigating Burisma.
He was investigating Burisma because he was concerned that they were doing illegal energy deals.
tim pool
And who is Burisma?
libby emmons
Burisma is a Ukrainian energy company on whose board Hunter Biden sat.
He was getting $83,000 a month.
His business partner, Devin Archer, was also on the board.
They were getting this money.
They don't have any expertise in energy.
Burisma was interested in entering the U.S.
market.
They were under investigation in Ukraine, which makes it tough to enter a U.S.
market at that point because you're already looked at as kind of shady.
So basically what happened was the CEO of Burisma signed on Hunter Biden and Devin Archer to help them with the U.S.
market slash get influence through then VP Joe Biden.
So Joe Biden knew the Burisma guys.
There were meetings with, you know, he met them.
He ended up on phone calls with them at these meetings.
Victor Shokin was the prosecutor tasked with investigating that.
Joe Biden was the White House.
He was the guy for the White House overseeing Ukraine during the Obama administration.
So there had been $1 billion in loan guarantees that were approved for Ukraine.
Joe Biden was meant to go to Ukraine, deliver the loan guarantees.
He said, I'm going to withhold this money unless you fire Shokin.
He said this to Petro Poroshenko, who was Zelensky's predecessor.
So he said this, Poroshenko was like, okay, Shokin is totally fired now, and we'll take the money.
Joe Biden then went on A panel, it was televised, and he bragged about this.
He told this story just as eloquently as he told that corn pop leg hair story.
He went on about it.
hannah claire brimelow
He said he's not hiding anything!
libby emmons
No, he was very proud of what he had done, claiming that Shokin was corrupt, and that they got their own guy in there.
So, okay.
That is a thing that happened.
Then Donald Trump, in July 2019, Joe Biden had announced her presidency in April of that year.
Donald Trump makes a phone call to then, you know, President Zelensky, who had replaced Poroshenko, and he says, hey, we've got this money coming for you.
I think it was $391 million, way less than a billion, by the way.
We have this money coming for you.
Congress has approved it.
That's cool.
But also I'm interested to know What impact Joe Biden had on the firing of Viktor Shokin?
Was he involved?
You know, let's sort of hash that out.
That phone call was recorded.
It was leaked.
The transcript of that was leaked.
And then in there, you know, the media had a field day with it.
Donald Trump is withholding funds from Ukraine unless they investigate Joe Biden.
So then Congress brings him up on impeachment charges, claiming that he had withheld funds for his own personal
gain, that he had committed election interference
by asking Ukraine to publicly investigate Joe Biden over the firing of Shokin, which Biden had already said he'd
done.
They accused him and impeached him of election interference months and months and months
before the election.
So they said, OK, Trump, you're impeached because you asked for an investigation into Biden for something that he publicly said that he did and you wanted more details.
Now he's being prosecuted for all of this stuff.
And that's not being considered election interference.
jeremy spike cohen
I was going to say, if only he had ordered prosecutors to prosecute Joe Biden and have the trial date start right before Super Tuesday, then it would not be election interference.
libby emmons
So that's what they impeached him over.
And if you read the impeachment documents, which I did yesterday, it's very detailed about how Trump was wrong to launch an investigation into a political opponent during an election year.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, I don't think you guys have actually read any of the laws that they're using to to go after Trump on for the, you know, when they impeached him.
It clearly states that in in the instance that the accused is Republican, the full force of the law shall be.
You know, levied against this individual.
However, if said, accused as Democrat, then just forget about it.
That's actually in the law.
hannah claire brimelow
It's okay when we do it at Progressive 3616 or whatever.
jeremy spike cohen
All of this and more at Tim Cashew, which is going to be launching later this year.
libby emmons
That's correct!
Which is founded in the Socratic method.
jeremy spike cohen
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
I am a doctor.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, and we declared it publicly tonight.
tim pool
I never said the university, that was actually something I should say a long time ago.
libby emmons
I would be happy to accredit the university for you.
jeremy spike cohen
I'm willing this into existence.
libby emmons
I have a PhD from the university so I could accredit it.
hannah claire brimelow
I think we just made the board.
tim pool
I would make the point to people.
jeremy spike cohen
Circular accreditation, right.
You get accredited from the university and then found it so that it, I like it.
libby emmons
Correct.
jeremy spike cohen
I like this.
tim pool
To explain to people, I've been explaining to people credentialism for a long time.
So, you know, I'd be talking to these, like, I have friends, everyone's like, you have to go to college if you want to get a good job, and I'll go, please.
And then I'd be like, well, I have a master's.
They'd be like, you have a master's?
I'll be like, yeah, in nuclear engineering.
They'll be like, what, do you really?
And I'll be like, uh-huh, yeah, you know, from Milton U. And they'd be like, what?
And I'll be like, that's right.
Yeah, I made it up.
It's not an accredited school or anything, but I gave it to myself.
hannah claire brimelow
I used to want to make up college sweatshirts and be like, no, this is where I went to school.
I want to wear this.
tim pool
Some body at some organization determines that you are worthy and gives you a title.
I can give myself whatever title I want.
Re-educated.
libby emmons
Re-educated by the Ontario College of Physicians because he made some incendiary social media posts.
The people who complained about Jordan Peterson and got him investigated and subject to re-education, they were not his clients, they were not his students, they were not his patients or whatever.
They were people who saw his posts on the internet.
jeremy spike cohen
And didn't like them.
libby emmons
And didn't like them.
tim pool
Whoa, that's pretty serious.
jeremy spike cohen
Who precisely is supposed to re-educate him?
libby emmons
The Ontario College of Physicians.
In fact, there are people that they have said will be the ones doing the re-education, Jordan Peterson will be paying for it, and those specialists, those experts, those credentialed people, cost $225 an hour.
PragerU should give out PhDs.
Watch if it doesn't work.
Jordan Peterson has said that he's going to put it all on YouTube.
jeremy spike cohen
Oh, like live stream it?
libby emmons
Yeah.
unidentified
It can help offset the cost that he has to cover, which I'm sure they're like... He'll make much more than $225 an hour doing that.
hannah claire brimelow
They're gonna make it a minimum of like 48 hours.
Like yeah, he had a fashion moment.
libby emmons
And the credentialed experts are the ones who get to decide how long the training will go.
So if they feel it's not working, they can extend it.
Exactly, that they are getting paid to do.
And it will be streamed on YouTube.
jeremy spike cohen
So they've given him, essentially they've given him a almost unlimited fine.
Yeah.
Or a fine with no upper limit.
That's right.
libby emmons
It's either that or they take his license.
hannah claire brimelow
And it goes until he admits, I agree with what you think.
libby emmons
You know what?
Because he believes in credentialism.
jeremy spike cohen
You should just go in second one.
I agree.
unidentified
Yeah.
jeremy spike cohen
Like as soon as they say it, be like, you're right.
Absolutely.
unidentified
Okay.
Great.
Great to see you.
hannah claire brimelow
We don't think you do agree.
unidentified
He's like, no, no.
jeremy spike cohen
I totally agree.
He would say something else.
I agree.
tim pool
I don't think he'd ever do that.
libby emmons
I don't think so either.
tim pool
Jordan Peterson's gonna be like, screw off you dang Marxists!
unidentified
But it would be funny if he's like, if you weren't just so bloody minded.
tim pool
He's gonna argue with them.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, for sure.
He's gonna have a field day, basically.
libby emmons
He's gonna wear a weird suit.
jeremy spike cohen
What if he changes their mind?
Live.
unidentified
What if he under-educates them?
tim pool
Have you guys heard about the FBI agents who were tasked with monitoring right-wing message boards started becoming right-wing?
hannah claire brimelow
I totally believe it.
tim pool
They're seeing all these posts and they're going like, wait a minute.
hannah claire brimelow
I got told this stuff was wrong and I wasn't supposed to talk about it, but when I read through it, they're making some good points over here.
jeremy spike cohen
My goal is to get my NSA mind, for there to be churn in the NSA because they keep having to assign new people to me because they go, oh no.
Oh, he's right.
Crap, he's right.
And then they have to quit or whatever.
Maybe they'll just, you know, smash this machine.
tim pool
What happens is, is like, The NSA, they know that the assignment to Spike is like a three-month rotation.
And so they tell the agent, like, it's a three-month rotation, just so you know.
I'm like, what?
Three months?
Like, typically we do two years.
Like, just trust us.
And then after like two and a half months, the guy's sitting there and he's like shaking.
He's got a cigarette.
He's going back and forth.
He's right about everything, man.
You're right about everything!
And they're like, alright, time to get him out of there.
hannah claire brimelow
They all have to go to mandatory meetings with the psychologist afterwards.
He's like, no, no!
He's not a doctor!
You can't believe him!
tim pool
They have to put him through the re-education program.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, they have to put him through.
These people are good that are going to be doing Jordan Peterson.
They're the ones that have to deprogram my NSA minders into, like, re-believing.
They have to re-blue pill them.
hannah claire brimelow
I always thought that was weird about, like, PhDs, like, you have to go defend your thesis, but what if I don't respect anyone who's on the panel?
What if I don't like any of their theses?
jeremy spike cohen
I'm questioning your authority.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I don't understand why you have the authority.
jeremy spike cohen
I've always found it weird, the credentialism and the people insisting that they're a doctor and so forth, because I was proud to tell people I barely made it out of high school.
Like, I didn't go to college, and I had multiple successful businesses and, you know, a great life.
My wife's, like, super hot and everything, and I'm like, you know, like, why?
Why would I?
I like being able to say, like, I got this despite the fact that the schooling system tried to keep me down.
tim pool
Hard work is hard.
That's why it's called hard work.
jeremy spike cohen
Right.
tim pool
And often hard work, and it's possible, I should say this, hard work isn't always hard, sometimes it's tedious.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Time consuming.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think it's a class thing, right?
tim pool
Well, the issue is this.
If you can work hard, you can make a lot of money.
But if you want to party, take out loans and then get your degree and then say, look, I did a thing.
That's why they that it's I think college is the lazy route, to be completely honest.
So if you look at somebody who gets out of high school or doesn't go to high school and they start working, start a business, even if the job is Starbucks or McDonald's and they work their way to becoming a manager, what is it like the CEO of UPS started as like a in the sorting room or something like that?
There's a bunch of stories like that.
libby emmons
That's the perfect job to start in the mail room.
tim pool
Start it as an intern.
That's the hard way.
You start working, you work hard, you get smart, and you try and figure out along the way and you become the best at it.
For a lot of people, they are tricked into going to college.
They're told this is the only way to do it.
But I also know for a fact that a lot of these people go to college knowing that it's vacation.
They're going to get a big loan.
They're going to go party every night.
They're going to barely do any work.
They're going to get a piece of paper that says, I deserve a job.
Then they're going to demand the government pay their loans back.
And that's what a lot of them are doing.
So why do they want these degrees and everything?
It's because they didn't actually earn any real authority, but they're the experts now, so they get to assert that.
So I'll tell you this.
Who, it's, you ever see that movie, um, with Rodney Dangerfield, what is it called, like Back to School or something?
unidentified
Oh yeah, yeah.
libby emmons
That's I think it, right.
jeremy spike cohen
With Robert Downey Jr.
and yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And there's like that scene where, I haven't seen this in decades, but there's that scene where he's in the classroom and the professor is explaining the basics of like marketing and like selling widgets.
He's like, what are you talking about?
That doesn't make any sense.
And then everyone turns to him and starts taking notes from him because he's this ultra-wealthy businessman.
jeremy spike cohen
He knows how to sell widgets, yeah.
tim pool
Who would you rather get advice from?
A high school dropout who built a record label, or a university professor who's teaching people how to do music management.
And that's the problem with schools.
jeremy spike cohen
Except Tim Castu.
hannah claire brimelow
That's true, which is a respectable institution.
No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
What do you mean, except Tim Kast, you, is proudly minority-owned from an underprivileged upbringing, a mixed-race person from an underprivileged upbringing, a high school dropout who built it from the ground up and will credential you if you ask.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
And the first PhD is a woman, so... That's so true!
jeremy spike cohen
A pre-PhD!
You're already credentialed from them, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I think part of it is a lot of the university system, especially when you get to like the Ivy Leagues and more elite schools, it functions the way that when you're in middle school and there's a brand that everyone wears, and so if you have the brand... What was that brand when you were in middle school?
I feel like it was Abercrombie & Fitch when I was growing up.
That was the thing that if you had the Hollister, Abercrombie stuff, then you were cool, right?
I did not.
libby emmons
I don't regret it now.
It wasn't like Aeropostale.
hannah claire brimelow
No, of course not.
Don't be a pauper, Libby.
unidentified
No, just kidding.
hannah claire brimelow
But if I can look at you and say, but I went to Princeton.
I went to Harvard, right?
I get to say that I am elite in some way and therefore I deserve something that you guys don't have, right?
That's what I find that I'll get into, you know, arguments about, you know, books or whatever with someone and they'll be like, well, my mom told me this about the book and she went to Princeton.
I don't care.
That doesn't mean anything.
Because they aren't trading on their brains or their actual accomplishment or intellectual ability.
They're trading on the brand name of what they paid or realistically went to huge amounts of debt for.
And to shatter that illusion is very hard for them.
libby emmons
I mean, but shattering the illusion is, I think, a big part of what we're talking about.
Right.
Because I think that a lot of the people who are having trouble You know, dealing with a society where credentials are actually not really that valid, or who are looking at, you know, the whole situation with Trump and realizing, like, perhaps, like, that he is not actually guilty of all these things, or looking at Biden and saying, oh, he is guilty of all of these things, or seeing society crumble, or all of the looting, or the stores closing down, or all of this stuff.
It's like, it's very difficult to let go of what you thought our country was, and what you thought our culture was about.
So you look at it and you say, why are people looting the stores?
And that's really not the right question at this point.
Things have changed so drastically, and so many people just want to hang on to the idea, the expectation of what they had for our culture and our country, and it's very difficult to let that go.
I mean, you can grieve what that was, but we have to let it go to a certain extent.
tim pool
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It's gonna be really fun.
We got a bunch of gifts to give away, sponsored by Public Square.
We're huge fans.
Patrick, Matt, David, Donald Trump Jr., Matt Gaetz, hosted by me, and of course, Luke Rudkowski.
It is going to be an amazing night.
And, uh, there may be some other stuff because the event is actually longer than just IRL, so we're hoping to do a Q&A audience-only session.
Should be really fun and funny.
And, um, even a pre-show.
We're working those details out.
We'll announce them shortly, but, uh, it's gonna be a fun show.
Let's grab your Super Chats.
ByTheFireSide says, if Trump is in court Super Tuesday, his campaign should hold free Trump rallies in the battleground states and have as many social media pro-Trump figures as possible speak in his stead.
Entirely possible.
That's one thing to consider, too.
They want to shut him down on Super Tuesday, but he still has powerful, prominent media voices, personalities, surrogates, etc., who can go around rallying and campaigning on his behalf.
And the trial may actually hurt them in this regard, because it justifies a lot.
It exemplifies a lot of what Trump has been saying.
So if you get Trump Jr., if you get Dan Bongino out on the campaign trail, if they go out and they say, look what they are doing to this man, they are cheating, that could be more powerful than Trump himself.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, especially since then he could justify not being, you know, Super Tuesday, you want to be in 800 places at once.
Whereas he could send every member of his family, everyone who represents him, and say, you know, he would be here, he would be in this spot, except that they're keeping him there.
tim pool
And it's like in 12 states.
unidentified
It's 12 states!
tim pool
He's being this one!
hannah claire brimelow
It's like looking at, like if you have a bunch of kids and you're like, you're my favorite slash you're all my favorite, you know what I mean?
tim pool
They may have done him a favor with this.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the thing that I can't get over the fact that within, what, two hours the Trump campaign had those mugshot merch ready to go?
libby emmons
Oh, we had it too at Post Millennial.
We had t-shirts ready to go.
I bought two of them.
hannah claire brimelow
But that's what I mean.
tim pool
Well, during the show, we made the revenge poster and put a t-shirt up.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah and we sold it!
libby emmons
I saw that and you know what that morning I was like the mugshot we need to like talk about the mugshot and comparing it to the Obama Shepard Fairey and then you did it and I was like nice!
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah it was so funny and then but that's the thing this campaign has just embraced that this is happening right?
They're saying like it's so ludicrous we now fundraise off of it so I think actually- Biden was fundraising off it!
Yeah, everyone's gonna fundraise off it, but I think Trump is the most successful, and I really think being able to say, like, I would be here in whatever state, except I can't, so I sent to you my sons or whoever, it's powerful.
jeremy spike cohen
I think that this, in a way, breathed life into his campaign, because I remember this time last year, people were talking about Maybe this isn't Trump's time anymore.
Maybe it's DeSantis' turn.
Look at all the stuff he's done.
And I'm saying in Republican circles.
I'm a libertarian.
We were having a completely different conversation.
But in Republican circles, they're saying, look at the stuff he's done in Florida.
Trump just wants to keep relitigating 2020.
Maybe he's not the guy.
hannah claire brimelow
People just feel like he was really better.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, and some of the polls were showing that head-to-head DeSantis would do better against Biden.
I would have told them that's because DeSantis is largely an unknown compared to Trump, and they always do better that way.
But then with this, it's like, no, Trump's the candidate now.
Which is why, again, I don't think they're looking at the politics of it.
I think they want to put him in prison.
hannah claire brimelow
I do too.
But that's I felt like after his CNN town hall, where he was just like, the most ridiculous and also best version of himself where he's like, describing this case I brought against him.
He's like, I own the hotel across the street.
jeremy spike cohen
You think I would have seen in town hall?
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, exactly.
And, you know, I think To your point too, there was a moment where people really doubted it, and that's why CNN was like, it's fine, we'll have this town hall and we'll destroy him.
And he is proving time and time again that he is ready and willing to go into this very aggressive attack on him personally.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
We got this from XHeadshotX, I have to wonder if the RNC and Ronald McDaniel is supporting the DNC's effort to fix the Republican primary.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Never Trumpers, they hate Trump.
That's why they're called Never Trumpers.
So, uh, I don't know.
How many, how many Republicans in Georgia are against Trump?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I'm unhappy with the RNC.
I voiced my frustrations about Larry Elder being kept from the debate stage, and I think that's indicative of the fact that they are controlling the narrative that they want on stage, and they don't actually want Trump there, despite Ron McDaniels being like, it would be wrong for him to miss it.
They only wanted the fact that he could bring in a large audience.
They know that he will not comply with whatever they want, hence the loyalty pledge, and they kept Larry Elder out, which means that there's a whole lot of conversation that would have been great.
libby emmons
The loyalty pledge is pretty standard.
I mean, they do that.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, but Trump was never going to sign a loyalty pledge.
So they're saying, you should be here, except we're offering the stipulation that we know you're not going to sign.
jeremy spike cohen
He proudly refused to do it in 2016.
I remember, it was funny because it was kind of when the thing happened with Vivek, when they asked, you know, would you pardon Trump?
I think that was the question.
libby emmons
Yeah.
jeremy spike cohen
And he immediately raises his hand.
All the way up.
And just looked around and was like, yeah, me too.
libby emmons
He didn't just look around, he was like, That look around was deadly.
unidentified
That was worse than the Howard Dean thing when he yopped.
libby emmons
That was worse than when Dukakis got in the tank.
jeremy spike cohen
It was worse than when Gary Johnson asked what Aleppo was.
unidentified
It completely eliminated that.
jeremy spike cohen
But it was a callback.
to kind of the opposite of that when in this would have been in 2015 during the first i think the first republican debate they said uh you know who here would not support is not willing to agree to support whoever the republican nominee is and donald trump put up his hand proudly and and no one else would do it and i think those are the moments where you have this big field of candidates and one sets themselves apart and again i don't think uh if they are considering the political ramifications they're idiots i don't think they are i think that they just want them in prison I was going to read more Super Chats.
tim pool
Alright, Brendan Tiersma says, just got hired as an intern for Turning Point USA today.
Thank you for helping to get the job with your content and now I can help fight the culture war.
Here's another way you can help fight the culture war.
With more information to come.
Move to Martinsburg, West Virginia.
We look forward to seeing you there.
We are... I'll keep things a little light for now until we can get things going.
But I look forward to anybody who is looking to get away from their cities, is trying to find a place to live.
Martinsburg, West Virginia is a good spot for people who love this country.
And there's a lot of good people there.
But it is... I'll put it this way.
In West Virginia, Martinsburg has some interesting elements in it, and I think there's an opportunity for us to do really, really great things in this town, and they could use help, they could use investment, and we are going to be investing in this area.
We're not just in Martinsburg, but we're going to be setting up some stuff going on there.
You can infer whatever you want with that, but I hope to see you down there.
jeremy spike cohen
And if you live in Martinsburg, every day you can drive by ATF headquarters and flip them off.
tim pool
Is that where they are?
hannah claire brimelow
That's true.
libby emmons
No way.
jeremy spike cohen
I did a machine gun shoot in Martinsburg last year and afterwards they're like, oh by the way the ATF headquarters like right there.
hannah claire brimelow
The ATF headquarters, I think if I'm remembering this correctly, the one in Martinsburg has so many documents that the floor was collapsing.
I could be misremembering the story.
There was some crazy amount of documents that they were storing there, which of course I find sketchy for the ATF.
tim pool
Well we got some projects in the works.
libby emmons
Is it because Biden has an office there?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I feel safer when Joe Biden is around.
He just, you know, he lets kids rub his legs and he falls off bicycles.
libby emmons
He's got those hairy legs.
jeremy spike cohen
If any black men are around, he threatens to hang them with a chain.
libby emmons
It's nauseating.
tim pool
All right, let's read more.
Teddy D says, Tim sent up the salmon signal and Spike showed up.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Spike Cohen, 2024.
jeremy spike cohen
Yes, but the... Are you announcing tonight?
No, I'm not.
I've become a meme for my... I'll call it an addiction.
I'm a former drug addict and now I'm a salmon addict.
I can't not eat.
I've already eaten salmon twice today.
tim pool
It's delicious.
libby emmons
It's twice today.
jeremy spike cohen
Raw or cooked?
Uh, actually, so I had a poke bowl this morning, and then I had some smoked salmon right before I came here.
So, hot smoked.
So, both raw and cooked.
hannah claire brimelow
When does your salmon-oriented cookbook come out?
jeremy spike cohen
Uh, now.
Right now?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, right after.
jeremy spike cohen
I'm actually going to have a class at Tim Kass.
unidentified
Salmon preparation 101.
tim pool
In all seriousness, are we going to ever figure out who the Libertarians intend to... Is there a primary?
hannah claire brimelow
Should people DM you on Twitter about it?
jeremy spike cohen
Oh, they already are.
I think it's May 24th or 25th.
The end of May is when we officially pick our nominee at the national convention.
tim pool
Is it like a primary or no?
jeremy spike cohen
It's not.
Our system works a little differently.
Each state has a convention.
Each state affiliate has a convention where they pick their delegates.
Well, I've heard mutterings about people who won't do it, people who might do it, and I gotta say it's not promising.
It's going to be about like just under 600 people who ultimately will decide, or a majority
of right around 600 that will decide who the nominee is.
I've not decided yet if I'm running, I haven't ruled it out, but ultimately it's going to
come down to how I can best help the party and the liberty movement.
tim pool
Well, I've heard mutterings about people who won't do it, people who might do it, and I
gotta say it's not promising.
We were really excited for Dave Smith.
jeremy spike cohen
Dave just announced he wasn't running.
tim pool
Right.
And now everyone's kind of like, well, well, come on.
Like, he's perfect.
He's great.
Now it's, who knows?
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe he's far away.
Maybe you guys will have someone jump to the front.
jeremy spike cohen
You never know.
I mean, it's it is very early on.
You have to do it.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
How much salmon you'd get if you were in the White House.
jeremy spike cohen
So from when, even when I was running for VP, there were, you know, this sort of like slow trickle of people are like, you know, you should run in 24, you should run in 24 on the top of the ticket.
And that slow trickle has kind of grown steadily over time.
And then when Dave announced he wasn't running, it just...
tim pool
Now they're like, help us!
jeremy spike cohen
Now it's like a fire hose on me.
So we'll see.
I haven't ruled it out, but it's nothing I've particularly had a goal to do.
It looks like a lot of people will take it on almost like an ego stroke, and that ends up being a poison chalice when they do it.
If I do it, it's because I think it's the best way I can serve the movement.
libby emmons
Well, there is a thing.
You remember George Washington didn't necessarily want to be president, but he was pushed into power because the people demanded that he lead.
So if the people demand that you lead, Then that's the reason.
It's not to seek your own power.
I'm sure you've heard about it.
jeremy spike cohen
I've heard all these things.
hannah claire brimelow
Or you have a couple months to find someone else and say, no, that guy.
jeremy spike cohen
You know, I could do that.
libby emmons
That's the thing to do if you don't want to do it.
jeremy spike cohen
Driving around like, please, come on.
tim pool
All right.
The Appalachian podcast says, Spike, say Appalachia.
jeremy spike cohen
Appalachia.
tim pool
P.S.
Tim, love what you guys are doing for the Appalachian region.
Keep it up.
Yeah, I love it out here.
It's the best weather.
We didn't have winter this past year, though, so it was kind of a letdown.
Because we got a big field we wanted to snowboard in, because it's a very light hill, and then no snow.
Not even a little bit.
I was like, I was going to snowboard.
That's a bummer.
But whatever.
We have grapes everywhere now.
jeremy spike cohen
Those are some people you should consider having on.
Simon and Billy of Appalachian Podcast.
Some of the coolest people I've ever met.
I was on their show.
We went to Simon's place, shot off machine guns.
Those would be good people to have on.
tim pool
Right on.
Sounds fun.
Absolutely.
And with me telling everybody to come to Martinsburg, West Virginia.
It's also Jefferson and Berkeley County.
You know good place.
hannah claire brimelow
I love Morgan County too.
I mean the whole Eastern Panhandle is a really interesting place.
tim pool
Where's Morgan?
It's further west?
hannah claire brimelow
Morgan is like if there are three counties that make up the Eastern Panhandle, it's the farthest west.
tim pool
Is that where Berkeley Springs is?
hannah claire brimelow
It's where Berkeley Springs is.
tim pool
Yeah, everyone loves that place.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's super cool.
I mean it's the oldest like spa town in the country or something like that.
libby emmons
It's so cute.
hannah claire brimelow
It's super cute.
Yeah.
I would also say if you guys are interested in this music that Oliver Anthony put out, there's a song called Appalachia by a guy named Josiah in the Bonnevilles and it gives you all the vibes about wanting to move to Appalachia right away.
tim pool
And look up the history of the song, was it Country Roads?
Not about West Virginia.
hannah claire brimelow
No, the word just comes up once.
tim pool
So, uh, I read about it, and it was inspired by Montgomery County, Maryland, but that doesn't roll off the tongue very well, so they went and looked up in an encyclopedia, West Virginia stuff, and then wrote a song about West Virginia instead.
hannah claire brimelow
Am I wrong in thinking that Montgomery is one of the three counties in Western Maryland that was like, please, let us join West Virginia?
That would be so cool.
And they were like, yeah, we would love to have you, you have to ask Baltimore, and now we've heard nothing about it.
Also, the county that Winchester, Virginia is in, which just sits right below the Panhandle, so sort of if you drive south from Martinsburg, in their county charter, a West Virginia state senator told me this, it has a clause where at any point they are allowed to secede into West Virginia because of the way it was divided.
tim pool
Winchester?
hannah claire brimelow
It's the county that Winchester is in.
libby emmons
That's in Virginia?
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
They can unilaterally do that without any... That's what a West Virginia state senator told me, that when they were dividing up the state, they were like, okay, we're not going right now, but we may want to eventually.
Wow.
jeremy spike cohen
Interesting.
libby emmons
Because West Virginia came in as a slave state, but then it was only a slave state for like 16 months or something like that, right?
tim pool
West Virginia?
libby emmons
Didn't it?
jeremy spike cohen
I think it was the opposite.
I think West Virginia sustained the union in Virginia.
libby emmons
Wasn't there slavery in West Virginia?
tim pool
I think they stayed with the Union, but they were still a slave state.
Maryland was a slave state.
jeremy spike cohen
Same thing with Delaware.
libby emmons
So that's what it was.
So West Virginia was a slave state for like a little bit.
hannah claire brimelow
Being a Union didn't mean anything.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, the Emancipation Proclamation was explicitly written for the states that were segregated.
So even after the Civil War ended, you know, we talk about how Juneteenth happened, you know, months after or a year after.
libby emmons
In Texas, two years.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah.
In Delaware, it didn't end until like 1870 or 1871.
It meant multiple, like what, six years after the war ended.
libby emmons
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
But we don't celebrate that anniversary.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, let's read some more.
Lord Joseph Cole says, Tim took your advice, moved out of the city.
We are in a bind.
Please help us if you can.
Give, send, go the Coles family to get our power back on.
Oh, yikes, man.
Well, I hope everything works out for you guys.
No one ever said escaping and being and living is...
Being on your own is going to be easy.
And that's what I was thinking about with that video where the woman's like, I can't afford to live this way.
Part of me was like, man, well, maybe you should just vote for politicians who are actually going to help make your life better.
Pay attention to what's going on in the world.
I don't, you know, I'm sad to hear this woman upset in this way.
But part of me also said, like, what would this woman be doing if it was 200 years ago?
Ain't nobody 200 years ago was driving in their car, being like, I can't afford to live.
It's like, dude, you couldn't make it 10 miles without potentially dying.
I'm exaggerating a bit.
libby emmons
Well, 200 years ago, if she was a single mom now, if 200 years ago she was married and then got divorced and became a single, she wouldn't have been divorced.
tim pool
There's no divorce.
libby emmons
Right.
So she still would be married or she would have been totally outcast for having children out of wedlock 200 years ago.
tim pool
None of that would happen, and let's be honest, the risks to your life back then were substantial.
She may have died in childbirth or something like that.
jeremy spike cohen
And also, if the reason that she's a single mother is because the father abandoned her and the kids, no community 200 years ago would have tolerated that.
libby emmons
Puts up with a guy like that.
jeremy spike cohen
That guy would have been an outcast.
tim pool
He'd have to run west and go be a bandito or something, and then the community would help that woman.
jeremy spike cohen
The community would rally around that woman, exactly.
tim pool
But we're in a nasty place where you have all these luxuries, but no family.
libby emmons
It is very bizarre.
I keep thinking of that Jane's Addiction song, Three Days, when he says, we choose no kin but adopted strangers.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, interesting.
What's the line?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
unidentified
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
tim pool
Where are we at?
Steve Hagen says, it looks like the step on Snek and find out means, find out not much happens, please keep stepping on Snek.
Well, I guess unfortunately so.
The don't tread on me flag's been on for a really really long time and he's been trampled.
That poor little snake is long dead.
jeremy spike cohen
I just wonder how many lockdowns were enforced and officers would show up with the thin blue line variant of the don't tread on me flag as they actively tread on people who were, you know, committing crimes like going to church and meeting their loved ones.
libby emmons
Or in Quebec, like police would show up if there were more than five people in your house and they would drag people out.
It was terrifying.
jeremy spike cohen
In Kentucky they arrested a pastor and his congregation for having church in the parking lot in their own cars Like, they were even doing the whole, we don't know how serious this is, don't, you know, touch each other, don't get near each other.
libby emmons
But we get to worship God together because we have the First Amendment.
jeremy spike cohen
We're gonna worship God in proximity to one another, we're gonna stay outside, we're gonna be in our own cars, I think their windows were even up and they were still arrested.
libby emmons
Do you remember the congregation that held church in Walmart in Pittsburgh?
unidentified
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
jeremy spike cohen
No, but that's beautiful.
unidentified
Wow, that's... Let's grab another Super Chat here.
tim pool
What is this?
The Emperor Champion says we should be a little bit more Warhammer 40k and a whole lot less My Little Pony.
Come on, grow a pair and at least impeach Joe Biden.
Yes.
libby emmons
That would be so nice.
tim pool
Warhammer, not My Little Pony.
unidentified
Got it.
hannah claire brimelow
Aren't bronies still a thing?
Where like, weird adult men liked My Little Pony?
libby emmons
Probably.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you guys remember that for a second?
It was horrifying.
libby emmons
Maybe they're now just pups in the Pride Parade.
jeremy spike cohen
I was gonna say, I think a lot of bronies may have, like, moved on to being furries or something.
unidentified
Gross.
libby emmons
I bet they have leg hair.
tim pool
JustPeachy says, we need to educate folks on how to write in Trump's name if he's taken off the ballot.
Some folks don't know they can.
jeremy spike cohen
If you take his name off the ballot, I don't know if, uh... In South Carolina, you can't write in for president.
unidentified
Really?
No.
libby emmons
Why?
jeremy spike cohen
Uh, I don't know.
It's the, it's whatever our rules are.
I went there, uh, in 2016.
I showed up with some crayons and they told me that, uh, not only could I not use the crayons, uh, and, uh, not only could I not use a pen, it was, uh, a, uh, like a, um... Digital?
Yeah, a digital thing.
I was going to do like a protest and they're like, well, not only can you not do that, it's digital, but you can't write in a name anyway.
You have to pick from the names.
libby emmons
In New York you can write in and it's still a paper ballot.
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, they didn't give that option on the day of.
That was 2016 though.
libby emmons
That's rude.
jeremy spike cohen
I thought so.
tim pool
Just Revenant says the police and government will simply make up reasons to take your rights and put you in prison.
It happened to me, and I'm Joe Schmoe.
That's right, disorderly conduct, for instance.
What does that even mean?
You can be walking down the street, whistling a tune, and they'll say, hey, you're disturbing the peace, and you're under arrest.
jeremy spike cohen
In South Carolina, a friend of mine named Johnny McCoy, who's an attorney, he actually got, after he was arrested for it, there was a law on the books, I forget what it was called, but basically it was so vaguely defined that it got struck down because when he asked why his friend was being arrested for...
Uh, he was asking what his firm was being arrested for and they arrested him for that.
unidentified
Oh wow, what?
jeremy spike cohen
Yeah, and it was something like, like interfering with police, uh, duties or something like that.
And he literally was saying, hey, what, what are you doing?
I'm an attorney, what are you, what's he being arrested for?
And they arrested him for that.
tim pool
Of course, they'll just make up a reason.
jeremy spike cohen
Yep.
tim pool
You protest disorderly conduct.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You say it's the first amendment, nah, you were being disorderly.
hannah claire brimelow
It's hard not to think of Jenna Ellis, who's, like, arrested for being Trump's lawyer.
tim pool
Yeah.
That's scary.
hannah claire brimelow
This guy being a lawyer, doing something completely normal, and they're like, no.
jeremy spike cohen
No.
No lawyers.
hannah claire brimelow
Straight to jail.
libby emmons
So they say that it's a criminal conspiracy and they're using the RICO Act.
Are they basically alleging that the campaign was a criminal organization?
tim pool
That's right.
hannah claire brimelow
But Joe Biden's is fine.
tim pool
And not a single Republican prosecutor, D.A., A.D.A., A.G.
or whatever, anywhere has done anything to go after Democrats in any comparable way.
libby emmons
I find that to be absolutely horrifying.
Well, you have Ken Paxton and then they're taking him out in Texas.
tim pool
Well, how about how about he start filing charges?
Here's one thing I'd say.
libby emmons
He ought to.
tim pool
Right now, if they make any... I think Texas should file a lawsuit against Georgia right now.
To the Supreme Court, citing original jurisdiction, saying that the federal elections of 2024 are held between all states and Georgia is removing a candidate from an election that Texas has to participate in.
libby emmons
That's a very good point.
tim pool
Texas should sue and say they cannot interfere in an election because they are negating our votes.
Let's go.
Let's roll.
Come on.
Where are we at?
Anybody?
They could also... a bunch of novel concepts.
How about this?
libby emmons
Well, didn't we have that in the last election?
Weren't there some states suing other states and then it got thrown out?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Texas sued, I think, Pennsylvania.
libby emmons
Pennsylvania.
Yeah.
tim pool
And it was a whole 48 states versus 48 states.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
And then the Supreme Court was like, nah, we're not going to hear it.
We don't care.
The argument was that there were state legislatures telling Mike Pence, telling Trump, we did not approve these changes to the election.
The Constitution says the state legislature has final say.
So we want the chance to adjudicate this and or to legislate this.
unidentified
And Mike Pence was like, nah, meh.
tim pool
And that was it.
And so a lot of lawsuits, this was before that, a lawsuit went out saying, like, Texas said, we participate in this election, and what Pennsylvania has done is not constitutional, so it is voiding our participation, and we demand this be heard, and the Supreme Court said, nah, not interested.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then you ended up with states asking Mike Pence to intervene because of the unilateral changes that were made in violation of the Constitution.
And he was like, are you crazy?
They showed me a picture of JFK.
And then he ran away screaming and crying like a little baby.
libby emmons
Well, because JFK, they had the alternate electors in Hawaii with Nixon.
tim pool
And Nixon rejected the certified electors.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
How about that?
libby emmons
And that's what the forgery is.
When they're prosecuting for forgery in Georgia, the forgery is signing off on alternate slates of electors.
tim pool
Just like the Democrats did in 1960.
libby emmons
Yes, just like them.
tim pool
How about that?
And then in 1961, when they were counting the votes, Richard Nixon says, we've got the certified Republican votes, but everyone agree, we'll just do the Democrats instead?
Alright, Democrats instead.
And that was it.
But it's not even that, it was that they were asking Mike Pence to return the votes and not reject them out.
Like, it wasn't that they were being rejected, it was that they would go back to the states and the states would figure it out, but it would still trigger the House delegations electing the president.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And Mike Pence is, he's like a listless vessel.
He's kind of like, he's an NPC.
jeremy spike cohen
I was going to say, he's like a very strong NPC.
He has this new line that he'll say that, you know, I'm very proud of the work I did with President Trump.
It did not end well.
And it's like it's in his book.
He'll say it in interviews.
He's said it probably like 300 times now.
And he'll say it every time thinking it's going to land just as hard as the first time he did.
It's like he doesn't have original thoughts.
He's such a scripted political figure that, like, he's just reciting things.
He's not thinking.
hannah claire brimelow
And he's fearful, right?
Like, he wants to stay in the good graces of whatever establishment he thinks will protect him if anything happens.
He's not willing to take any risks.
Like, when Vivek throws his hand in the air, it's like, yeah, I'd pardon Trump.
There's a boldness there that I just think Mike Pence doesn't have.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Chris S. says, nuke the whales.
All right, Nelson.
Appreciate it.
Simpsons reference.
All right.
Summer Andre says, don't forget the two Republican council members killed in New Jersey.
Oh, man.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And then it's funny when, you know, I just when I talk to people about a fear of civil war or the state of civil strife, I hear the exact same thing.
There's not enough people to engage in this.
And it's just like every time I'm like, how many people do you think?
Like, wanted civil war.
How many people do you think were actually fighting in the American Revolution?
jeremy spike cohen
Very, very few, yeah.
tim pool
It's between three and ten percent.
Really?
libby emmons
Fighting in the revolution?
unidentified
Yeah.
jeremy spike cohen
Interesting.
And what, like, the general sentiment from historians is that the public was split on the revolution.
tim pool
Yeah.
jeremy spike cohen
Whether it was a good idea or not.
tim pool
Yeah, there's that famous quote where, I'm not sure who said it, they said, John Adams or something, that it was 30% want it, 30% don't, and 30% don't care.
That's not true.
It was more so that, um, I read a historical assessment that said something like, it was like 35% support, something like 23% opposed, and the rest were like, don't know, don't care.
So they're like, it wasn't the majority, but the plurality were just like, we have no idea what's going on.
We don't, we don't want to know.
jeremy spike cohen
And imagine having the government so little involved in your life that you don't care who's in charge of it.
tim pool
Yeah.
jeremy spike cohen
Like how great is that?
How awesome is that, that forget you don't care who gets elected, you don't even care like who's in charge of the government, like what the government even is, because it's so not involved in your day-to-day life you don't even care about that.
tim pool
Here's a crazy one.
Undermine says a single fuel pellet, smaller than an inch, contains more energy than a ton of coal or 150 gallons of oil.
I'm assuming you're talking about fusion.
It's going to be bonkers.
If they can really get fusion going, and imagine if they can even miniaturize it and make smaller reactors, plus we've got solid-state batteries.
libby emmons
Wow.
tim pool
It's going to be nuts.
Yeah, I'm curious how they do propulsion without chemical energy.
I'm interested to see the... Oh, that's interesting.
Well, so escaping orbit...
Achieving orbit.
There's a bunch of different ways that's been proposed.
There's one we use.
We use chemical fuels, liquid, solid propulsion for a rocket.
One of the proposed ways is a magnetic slingshot rail gun.
It's a big machine, basically, that takes the cargo load and spins it at a high rate of speed until it's spinning as fast as possible, and then it flings it up a tube and just launches it straight into space.
libby emmons
That's wild!
jeremy spike cohen
Yep, and once you have propulsion from hydrogen fusion, once you have that, now not only can you have much further and faster space travel, but you can have the kind of stuff you see in the sci-fi movies where it's like gravity's being simulated because it will continue to accelerate at, what, 9.8 meters per second or whatever, so that it simulates gravity by going in that direction.
And then turning around and doing the opposite to slow down.
And so not only will you be able to get to Mars in a matter of hours instead of weeks, now you won't even have to deal with the effects on your bones and muscles of not having gravity during that time.
We're like that close to this kind of stuff.
libby emmons
That's so cool!
tim pool
That's the funny thing that people, you know, in sci-fi movies they'll show the ship and then there'll be a big ring spinning.
And they'll be like, that's how we simulate gravity.
jeremy spike cohen
No!
tim pool
The ship is speeding up until it reaches halfway point and then turns around.
jeremy spike cohen
Yep.
tim pool
So, I love it, because flat earthers think that's what Earth is doing.
They think Earth is permanently accelerating forward, and so that pins you to the ground, that's what gravity is.
libby emmons
Weird.
jeremy spike cohen
Yep.
tim pool
And they also think there's a dome over our flat planet, and there's an ice wall, and a whole bunch of other crazy things.
jeremy spike cohen
The firmament, yeah.
tim pool
It's the firmament.
jeremy spike cohen
This is not a pro-flat Earth show, I was told.
hannah claire brimelow
I was on a plane, and this guy, like, suddenly engaged in conversation, turned out he was a full-on flat earther.
And I was like, I don't, we're on the plane.
jeremy spike cohen
I pretended to be a flat-earther just for meme purposes from like 2015 to 2018 until my wife came into a room one time and I was literally making a flat-earth meme in a Facebook flat-earth group and she said, please stop.
She's like, our loved ones are worried.
I keep assuring them this is just a big joke.
They're saying, how could you do this for three years?
I said, okay, fine, I'll drop the flat-earths.
libby emmons
Three years is commitment.
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tim pool
Right on.
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