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Timcast IRL - FBI TAKES OUT Man Who Threatened Action Against Biden In Raid w/Reed Coverdale
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tim pool
We got breaking news out of Provo, Utah.
A man who was posting threats against the president had his home raided by the FBI, where he was shot and killed.
And this story is currently spreading hundreds of thousands of tweets as everyone's talking about it, and there's a couple different views.
Either way, I see it as escalation.
You either have the story of a deranged man on the internet threatening to harm the president, Or, you have the story of an overzealous FBI targeting a morbidly obese elderly man who was a threat to no one.
Either way you break it, both sides are looking at this as some kind of escalation.
And there's a lot more than just that.
We're now learning that Twitter was fined $350,000 for snubbing the FBI subpoena.
They were trying to dig into Trump's social media, and apparently Twitter, in some way, obstructed them.
Elon Musk has previously stated that the government had full access to everyone's private messages, their DMs, and it seems, in all likelihood, Elon was actually blocking this.
So we'll talk about that.
We've got a bunch of other stories that we can get into.
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Now I know a lot of people are asking about what happened to last night's episode.
This happened before. It's on Rumble's end.
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because the live members only goes up.
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By the time we find out the next day that it's down, the crew's not here, and then we could potentially re-upload it, we get the drive and all that stuff, so we're gonna try and figure out a methodology which will rectify this if it should happen again.
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tim pool
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Reid Coverdale.
reed coverdale
Hey, Tim.
Thanks for having me back on.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Who are you?
What do you do?
reed coverdale
Yeah, I have the Naturalist Capitalist podcast, which I actually haven't done lately just because I've been working so much, but I'm from New Hampshire.
I'm a libertarian.
The shirt I'm wearing, if I want to get one thing out, is Defend the Guard.
This is legislation that we're trying to pass around the country.
We haven't officially declared war since World War II and every police action that's taken place since then.
The National Guard has been sent overseas, which is unconstitutional.
If each state passes this, The president can no longer send troops overseas without declaring war, so that's something we definitely need to pass.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
We got Phil hanging out.
phil labonte
How you doing?
I am Phil Labonte, lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
ian crossland
Ian Crosland.
What's up, everybody?
Let's rock and roll.
serge du preez
Yeah, Surge.com.
Yeah, regarding the rebel thing, you heard it here from Tim, so stop contacting me on Twitter.
Thank you.
tim pool
All right, everybody, here's the big breaking news.
We got this from the Daily Mail.
Utah man Craig Deliu-Robertson was shot dead by the FBI in raid after posting on Facebook a credible Joe Biden death threat ahead of the president's visit to Salt Lake City.
They say Craig Robertson, 75, was gunned down on his doorstep by agents in Provo, an hour from Salt Lake City, after they were alerted to his posts about the president.
Messages posted on what is believed to be his Facebook page on Tuesday included bloodthirsty content about how he would... I'm gonna be light on this one, but... Posts and death threats.
Very serious stuff.
Saying the state would be famous for the actions he would commit.
Really, really messed up stuff.
Now...
The commentary that we're seeing from many on the right is that this guy is 300 pounds, he's elderly, he can barely walk even with a cane, and wasn't a threat to anyone.
So I'm going to give you my immediate speculation in a second, but I want to say this first.
You've got the left basically saying, this is the danger of the far right, far right extremists threatening the president, oh heavens help me.
You have people on the right being like, dude it's some old fat guy posting on the internet, it's ridiculous.
But the best response that I've seen is, Every single time someone threatened Donald Trump, nothing happened.
All of these prominent leftists, high profile individuals made death threats against Donald Trump, nothing happened.
Kathy Griffin held up a mock severed head of the president, nothing happened.
This guy posts really awful things, nobody should be posting that stuff.
The FBI immediately shows up to his house, he gets gunned down.
Now here's what I think.
I bet.
You know, they see these posts, so they're gonna go and they're gonna knock on his door and they're gonna figure out who he is, what he's doing.
They're probably gonna arrest him.
Many people have faced similar things.
I'm willing to bet this guy showed up armed and that was it.
phil labonte
Yeah, look, I mean, first of all, like, there's no part of me that's gonna defend this dude because, like, you can't threaten to kill the president.
At all.
I think the whole thing is funny because he's dead.
It's dumb to threaten to kill the president.
And then, was he like 500 pounds or something?
tim pool
People are saying he was 300 pounds.
He couldn't walk.
75 years old.
phil labonte
He's a big dude, but, like, when the cops come to your house, you don't need to- like, it's odd to get into a gunfight with the cops.
Like, that should be thought of as- as a- that should be infrequent, you know?
tim pool
I- I think this is indicative of escalation, because what I think happens is, sure, this guy may not be able to actually carry out any of the things he's threatening, because he's morbidly obese and elderly, but he certainly had some kind of intent.
Now, look, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe the cops showed up, knocked on his door, and he was sitting in his couch, you know, covered in Cheeto dust, and said, hey, look, man, I was just posting nonsense, and they were like, too bad, and then shot him, which I really doubt.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What likely happened is he was angry and said, oh, you want to come to my house over my, you know, you know, from my cold dead hands.
unidentified
I bet he said something about freedom of speech to get off my property kind of thing.
tim pool
Yep.
And then he was probably armed because we know the dude had a bunch of weapons.
And so This is what happens.
But I will stress, did we get any raids when people were threatening Donald Trump?
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
I've heard stories of people getting their doors knocked on and guys being like, don't you do that.
reed coverdale
I have a question.
His posts were direct statements that he was going to do something where the Kathy Griffin thing is more of like, I hope this guy dies.
tim pool
Well, hers was just her standing there with a severed head.
I mean, what does that even mean?
reed coverdale
Yeah.
Were there documented cases where people were literally threatening to assassinate Trump?
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
There was a dude who rushed the stage and tried grabbing a weapon from a cop.
And I'm pretty sure that dude's still alive.
There was that moment where the guy rushed the stage and then Trump grabs the podium, spins around, Secret Service tackles him.
There was another moment where a guy went into a theater and tried grabbing a gun from a cop and they fought him and stopped him.
And there were tons of people posting threats on social media.
And we're all sitting here going like, yo, this is crazy.
These people are losing their minds.
So I think everybody's.
That's why I'm saying escalation.
Because this guy may not be a threat, but yo, What is the saying, those who say don't know and those who know don't say?
There are people out there who probably feel the exact same way as this guy and they ain't saying anything.
They're not going to go on social media and post about what they're going to do or what their plans are.
And this is the threat of complete and total destabilization.
The best case scenario is the Republicans launch a massive ballot harvesting operation.
They utilize ground activists to go door-to-door.
Donald Trump wins in 2024.
They clean up the corruption.
They fire tons of people.
There are criminal charges and trials.
And that's it.
We move on.
The worst case scenario in any capacity is anyone escalating this to some kind of high-level conflict.
phil labonte
I don't know about high-level conflict, but I definitely see more escalation in the future.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
People need to understand, dude.
phil labonte
I still don't see the off-ramps, you know.
tim pool
I agree.
People need to understand what life is like when conflict erupts.
And I think one of the reasons why, in history, there are stories of countries that undergo revolution, and that's it.
And there are stories of countries that undergo civil war.
And I think the issue is that, for people in these countries that face revolution, things get so bad, most people just say, whatever, because I'm gonna try and survive.
When civil wars break out, it's highly political, and people are like, there's a better way to do things, they fight each other over the way things need to be.
My concern here is, it feels like either we enter some kind of dystopian nightmare, or it turns into some kind of full-on conflict.
reed coverdale
Yeah, I think with this particular incident, it's like Phil said, it depends on what happened when they showed up.
I mean, if we find out more, if he started shooting back at them right as they showed up, I mean, that's just kind of what you expect to happen if you start shooting at the FBI.
unidentified
Especially if you're not able to move.
reed coverdale
But I mean, I do think the escalation thing is a problem.
On your point about, you know, the Republicans sweeping all this corruption out, Do you foresee that happening in any capacity?
Because Christopher Wray, the FBI director, he was appointed by Trump.
tim pool
And predicating what Trump will do based on what he did is a mistake.
They betrayed Trump.
Trump's angry and wants revenge.
So I expect something different from him.
That being said, I'm not saying it's the best probability, but who else are you going to vote for?
Like, Ron DeSantis ain't doing it.
phil labonte
If it's a 20% chance that Trump would successfully clean out the government, that's way better than anyone else that would be affected.
tim pool
I'm not going to bet on Donald Trump being a good dude who wants to save America.
A lot of people are.
That's their bet.
My bet is that they betrayed Trump and Trump wants revenge.
I think Trump wanting revenge is something you can count on.
reed coverdale
Yeah, see, I'm actually—this has surprised a lot of people, but I plan to vote for Trump currently, even though I've been one of his largest critics for how he handled lots of things.
But I don't necessarily see him actually fixing anything or beheading, you know, figuratively beheading a lot of his past appointees.
I just think he's going to drive people crazy, and that's enough for me.
Like, just to drive the liberals insane and make everybody mad.
phil labonte
He's definitely going to drive people crazy.
ian crossland
I don't think the deep state will let him win.
tim pool
I don't think— They can't stop him.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, if they have proprietary voting machines, they can stop anyone.
tim pool
They didn't stop him in 2016.
I know.
ian crossland
And they realized their mistake and then they stopped him.
Well, he was stopped in 2020, we should say.
tim pool
I think Republicans screwed up in 2020.
I think Republicans were in on it.
It was Republican legislatures in certain states who are passing these universal mail-in voting laws.
In Pennsylvania, they're the ones who helped Democrats bypass their own constitution.
So I'm not worried about the deep state.
I'm worried about the Republican Party.
But I think if Donald Trump and his supporters recognize the threats when it comes to these shady or illicit voting strategies, which were done legally by the way, they're just, I call them shady, if they recognize that, and Trump seems to be, Trump's going to win.
And they know it.
And look, I think it's plainly obvious.
They would not be indicting him unless it was possible for Trump to win.
If they if they knew they could control voting machines and they could do all this, they would not go anywhere near Trump.
They'd be like, oh, geez.
Oh, no.
Here's Trump.
It wouldn't matter who ran.
They'd say, please run.
Get all your supporters riled up.
No, no, no.
They are so desperate to stop him.
They're talking about indicting him in Georgia next week.
They're throwing everything and the kitchen sink at him in a desperate bid to stop him because they're not confident they can.
reed coverdale
Yeah, you know, the only person who can stop Trump is Trump.
He's his own biggest hindrance.
And I mean, in 2020, regardless of all the things you're talking about, Trump was just, he was running an awful campaign.
In 2016, it was great.
He was the new guy on the block.
He was anti-establishment.
He was going to go in and kick everybody out who was ruining the country.
In 2020 it was kind of hard to make that claim after he'd been in there four years and everything was falling apart and we're passing all these giant spending bills.
So I think it's really on him, if he wants to win, is to really, you know, listen to his base and try to understand what they're empathizing with him on.
Because over the last couple years he's been A little bit off, you know, like he's cheering on stuff that they didn't support and he's even getting booed at rallies occasionally.
And when he did his CNN town hall, I saw the old Trump kind of come back when he was pushing back, I forget her name, to the CNN interviewer there.
And he was making all the jokes that he had made in 2016.
He was talking about how we need to end the war in Ukraine.
I was like, okay, this is the 2016 Trump that can win an election.
So I think it's really up to him if he wants to win.
tim pool
I agree.
ian crossland
I don't want to push my hopelessness on you, but there's no way.
There's no way that the deep state will not stop that guy.
There's no way.
tim pool
It's just funny that it's like in 2016 he won and it's like he can't win, it's impossible, but he did win.
ian crossland
Yeah, but he won because they weren't expecting it.
They made sure Bernie Sanders wasn't able- What do you mean they weren't expecting it though?
tim pool
They propped him up.
ian crossland
They thought he was going to lose to Hillary.
They got rid of Bernie because they wanted Hillary and they got an easy opponent in Trump and then they saw their mistake and they're like, we can never make that mistake again.
tim pool
I think anybody who's telling you that Trump can't win is actively trying to sabotage our path.
ian crossland
Well, anyone saying he can win and fire everybody and save the world is also leading you down a dark path.
tim pool
No, I completely disagree.
It is our only solution.
The FBI just raided a guy's house who was threatening death and they killed him.
ian crossland
The solution's in the private sector.
It's not these politicians.
tim pool
The solution to the weaponization of government?
ian crossland
Private sector.
We need control over social media.
Communication technology.
You need to be able to talk to your community and rally and organize and support each other.
tim pool
I would agree on a cultural level, especially with Elon Musk buying Twitter and then blocking government access to a lot of the information that they've been illegally, I would say unconstitutionally, stealing.
But we have got deeply corrupt individuals who are weaponizing government now.
The stories that I introduced today, not even all of them, that the FBI was systematically going after Catholics.
They're criminally charging people who are walking on a lawn in DC.
Antifa is free to go in every respect.
You've got story after story of death threats, violence, the left.
They're getting away from it.
It is a multifaceted conflict.
I certainly believe culture, and yes, to be fair, Private sector is going to play an outsized role in this.
But when it comes to what is happening in government, I am specifically referring to how do we solve direct, short-term political conflict.
And when you have people threatening death, what we need is someone who's going to go in, Fix the justice system in any way, even if it means firing people.
And people who keep saying, no, he can't win!
Trump can never win!
I'm like, dude, you might as well just go to El Salvador right now.
Because if you think everything they're doing with weaponizing the DOJ is unsolvable, because it's happening before our eyes, and they're going after, they're going after now Giuliani and Sidney Powell, Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman.
If you are going to sit back and say it is inevitable, it is hopeless, then you should not be in this country, you should run.
You should have run a long time ago.
ian crossland
No, no.
You can acknowledge the deep state and the power they have over elections without being black-pilled and giving up.
I mean, but it doesn't mean you gotta bang your head against a wall to create a hole.
Like, there are other ways, I think.
Like, Vivek Ramaswamy is a far superior candidate.
And to act like Donald Trump's a better vote because he's more popular, I think is a mistake.
You should go for the best candidate.
The guy... Always go for the best candidate.
That's how the best candidate wins.
reed coverdale
Well see, Trump is actually my number three as far as quality of candidate goes.
I actually like RFK the most probably, and then probably Vivek, and then Trump.
I'm going to vote for Trump just because he's going to cause the most chaos and the most anger from people I hate.
That's honestly what I care about.
phil labonte
I love how you think.
But you would go with RFK?
reed coverdale
I mean, there's a lot of issues I have with it.
unidentified
Before Vivek?
reed coverdale
Slightly.
phil labonte
Because I'm totally not on the RFK wagon at all.
reed coverdale
I'm not either, by the way.
I'm not a fan.
phil labonte
I'm opposed.
I like the fact that he's counter to basically the official narrative or to the establishment or however you want to talk about it.
But all of his past positions are awful.
Oh, it's bad, dude.
His position on the Second Amendment, his position on climate change and what to do about it, and if it's, you know, the amount of human input on climate change and all that kind of stuff, all those things are terrible.
So I'm super not into the RFK guy at all.
I know there's a lot of libertarians that have bought into that and I'm just...
I'm extremely apprehensive.
reed coverdale
I completely understand.
The thing is, the position he's running for, the things he's terrible on, he doesn't have much control over.
Where the things he's mostly good on, he would have a lot of control over.
And the things that he's good on, that he'd have control over in the executive, I slightly prefer him to Vivek and Trump.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to this story from the post-millennial, because we got more big news in the destabilization of this nation.
Breaking, Biden-DOJ fines Elon Musk $350,000 after he refuses to give them access to Trump's Twitter account.
The district court held Axin contempt for missing the deadline, and the social media platform was fined $350,000.
I think for Elon, it's probably a drop in the hat.
But, uh, wow.
Massive credit to Elon and X for basically telling the government to go shove off.
phil labonte
We were talking about this a little bit earlier and Reed did mention back when Apple told the FBI to go piss up a rope when the FBI was trying to get them to unlock a terrorist's iPhone.
They were just like, we're not gonna do it.
tim pool
But then they eventually just figured out a way to break in.
phil labonte
Yeah, but at least Apple didn't help them do it.
And credit to them.
And this, to me, is kind of the same kind of situation.
Credit to Twitter, because anyone that pushes back against the feds when it comes to this type of thing, I think is good.
reed coverdale
We also need to protect that Twitter account at all costs.
Donald Trump's Twitter.
Oh yeah.
That belongs in the Museum of American History.
tim pool
He needs to get back on it.
He truthed.
We have this truth from real Donald Trump.
Reposted by Election Wizard, he says, just found out that crooked Joe Biden's DOJ secretly attacked my Twitter account, making it a point not to let me know about this major hit on my civil rights.
My political opponent is going crazy trying to infinge on my campaign for president.
Nothing like this has ever happened before.
Does the First Amendment still exist?
Did deranged Jack Smith tell the unselects to destroy and delete all evidence?
These are dark days in America.
I completely agree.
The sitting president Is trying to.
This is beyond Watergate.
What is this?
Joe Biden just tried to steal private communications from his main political rival.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
Let me just repeat that for everybody.
We now know.
And Elon Musk obstructed this.
Joe Biden running for president just tried to steal the private communications unconstitutionally from Donald Trump, from his private account.
And only because of Elon Musk, they're obstructed.
Incredible.
ian crossland
I think technically, and I could be wrong, Twitter owns that account.
So it's technically Elon Musk's data and account.
So they'd be, if they were stealing it, they'd be stealing it from Elon, but it looks like they asked him for it.
So it wouldn't have been theft.
tim pool
That sounds like something the NSA would say.
ian crossland
Well, we don't own any of our social media data.
tim pool
Any reasonable person would argue that our data belongs to us.
ian crossland
I would like it to, but I think legally at this point it doesn't.
But it should.
On some sites maybe it does, if it's in their terms.
A lot of sites want to own your stuff.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, I don't care what ridiculous, psychotic, totalitarian, Nazi BS the government tries to argue about why they have a right to take my private communications.
They don't.
The Fourth Amendment extends to what is my private communications.
And they can make all the arguments in the world that when you transmitted the message over Twitter, you gave that message to Twitter.
Nah.
That's a BS argument from psychopaths who are trying to bypass our constitutional protections.
ian crossland
It would be like if you went into somebody's house and had a conversation with somebody else in that house, and they were recording you in their house, and then you left.
Like, technically, that person that owned the house would own that communication now.
That's kind of like Twitter.
tim pool
No, it's more like you rent a mailbox at a big... So, out in the middle of nowhere, people don't have mailboxes in front of their houses.
Depending on where you live, they'll actually have a mailbox building, where everyone goes and collects their mail, despite having private houses, they go to one spot.
So, you know, where we are up in the mountains, these mail trucks can't get on some of these roads.
So it would be more like they said, that mailbox isn't actually yours, it's property of the post office, therefore anything inside of it is our fair game to open and read.
ian crossland
I think the post office can open and read your mail.
tim pool
They need probable cause, the Fourth Amendment protects us.
So I will make the fair point that they're saying a judge ordered this, but that means very little to me when it is the president trying to steal the private communications of his chief political rival.
That's a whole degree of effed up.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, just because there's a political campaign going on or just because Donald Trump is persona non grata doesn't mean that the federal government can just look into his private communications.
And there is an expectation of privacy that people have when they use platforms like this.
tim pool
That's why they call them private messages.
ian crossland
That's a big mistake.
That's why you need to encrypt your messages and have end-to-end encryption.
Anything that is unencrypted is viewable by every government.
Most of the governments on Earth, I would imagine, at this point.
phil labonte
You're totally right, but the average person doesn't, you know.
ian crossland
But that's like saying... Ignorance is not excuse, you know?
tim pool
That's like saying the government can spy on you unless you build a house inside of a Faraday cage.
It's like, no, the Constitution is to stop them from doing it.
ian crossland
If you don't have curtains on your windows, no constitution is going to stop the cops from looking inside your house.
tim pool
That's not a fair analogy.
Because when you're sending a private message, the average person does not believe they're standing nude in front of a window.
They think the curtains are up.
So it would be more like the government has goggles that can see through your curtains and said, well, it's your fault for only having regular curtains.
It's like, what am I supposed to do?
You gotta put up lead curtains.
ian crossland
You do.
tim pool
You do.
ian crossland
Because the Chinese government... That's unreasonable.
Well, I know.
tim pool
Yeah, sure, the foreign governments.
We're talking about the United States government trying to steal Trump's communications.
ian crossland
Well, anybody can do it.
Any government could do it.
tim pool
And that's not my concern.
My concern is the U.S.
government violating the rights of American citizens and Joe Biden trying to steal communications from Trump to cheat an election.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, I think you, did you just point out it's not, he got a judge's, did a judge sign off on this?
tim pool
That means very little when the DOJ, Joe Biden, is targeting his political opponent.
I don't care.
Criminally charging Trump, I don't care.
They've crossed the line.
ian crossland
They're engaged in civil war. I don't disagree with you, but I have no
empathy for people that continue to text on their phones with proprietary software to type on direct
messages on Twitter and YouTube without saying this stuff like that is trackable data. I get it
through your head. I have no empathy.
tim pool
I have tons of sympathy for people who eat Splenda and drink fluoride and do a whole bunch
of other really awful things because the government tells them it's fine. Yeah, well, they should be
because there are there are people who should know these things, but it's not the job of the
average person who's a plumber or a carpenter or who works at an insurance company to read the
the news and do the research every day.
That's what we do.
And so we try to inform them.
We try to tell people, hey man, you gotta encrypt your messages.
Hey, you gotta eat healthy, you gotta exercise, and you gotta pay attention to what's going on to the best of your abilities.
But the point is, the average person, yo, people are out there building houses.
Okay, they're working 8-12 hour days.
They're not going to go online and research fluoride for 27 years to figure out what's going on with the water, or atrazine, or sucralose, or other stuff like that.
So they come to shows like this, and we do our best to inform them to the best of our abilities.
So I do have sympathy for people.
They think their messages are private because it's only between them and another person.
If there was a big red stop sign on the thing that said, anyone can see this, they would take it much more seriously.
But they're not being told that, they're being misled.
Outside of all of that, the most important thing to consider, it doesn't matter whether or not Donald Trump can be spotted by China or Australia or any other country, it doesn't matter if private messages are not secure, what matters is, Even if I paint a big picture and I put it in my bedroom, the federal government does not have a right to come and take it without a warrant.
In this instance, the chief political rival is being targeted by the sitting president for political purposes.
You're not going to make an argument about warrants in that case.
The Constitution has been ripped to shreds and Joe Biden is cheating to try and steal 2024.
reed coverdale
I think it's interesting that the federal government often uses foreign governments as a scare tactic to let them just, you know, have open season on your private messages too.
Like the Restrict Act, that's what the TikTok ban is what it was being sold as because China's harvesting our data or whatever, but then the Restrict Act was just basically a Patriot Act for all social media companies.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Five Eyes Spy Club.
This is what they do.
The United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the UK, each of them go to each other and say, it is illegal for us to spy on our citizens.
You spy on them, then share the data with us, and now it's allowed.
That's how they bypass our human rights.
phil labonte
And you know that they, they've, there's stories that I've heard that there are people that abuse it.
Like dudes are asking people, hey, can you watch my ex-girlfriend and that kind of stuff?
Like, you know?
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think the Snowden revelations showed that, right?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Because they, because they, if you're, you know, if you're working in the Intel community and stuff, you're going to end up getting friendly with other, you know, with other, uh, other countries with other people in, in the Intel community for other countries.
ian crossland
I've worked on the social media from the inside, and it feels like walking down dark alleys at night in big cities, like, don't do it.
Don't post your data publicly in direct messages on Twitter if it's not encrypted.
Do not do it, because you're putting yourself in a vulnerable position if you do that.
And if you're taken advantage of, yeah, you can blame the victim, but like, Like, oh, she had it coming because of what she was wearing.
But like, just don't go down.
If you continue to go down those dark alleys, I mean, I just don't have sympathy for those people.
If you know that there's a risk involved, but you're going to do it anyway, just because you're lazy or you don't care, screw off.
Like, you deserve it.
Like, eat it.
I don't know what to tell you.
Reality is reality.
Like, if you're not going to protect yourself, you're not going to be protected.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
The problem with end-to-end encryption is that if the person on the other end of your message shares that message with somebody, your stuff's not private.
tim pool
That's true.
If you go to someone and say, hey, don't tell anybody, but, you know, X, Y, and Z, and then they go, hey, everybody, X, Y, and Z. Seeker was meaningless.
But Elon's doing a great job.
I think he's working on end-to-end encryption for all direct messages.
I'm not sure if they've implemented yet, but it's probably for this reason.
I think Elon would prefer not to get fined, you know, $350,000, and it's easier if everything's just encrypted.
He can go, here you go, and it's a bunch of gobbledygook.
ian crossland
Exactly.
He doesn't have the thing to give them, so they can't fine him.
That's how Mines does it.
They don't hold the keys.
Only the keys only belong to the people that are sending the messages.
tim pool
It's crazy what's going on right now in this country, man.
We have this story from the Post Maloneal Fourth indictment against Trump expected in Georgia next week.
Willis has stated that she plans to announce potential charges by September 1st at the latest.
I don't know what to tell you, man.
Everything we see happening, what do you think is going to happen in 2024?
You think it's going to be some peaceful, everyone comes and shakes hands and smiles?
With a degree of psychotic behavior?
I mean, they just gunned a guy down and killed him in his house.
I'm not making a comment on anything other than that, that a guy died.
phil labonte
With the level of intensity that now I feel like it's a kind of calm before the storm kind of thing because it has been really chill like news-wise when it comes to the actual election and stuff.
There hasn't been any kind of big developments to talk about.
I mean we keep talking about You know, DeSantis kind of just petering out.
That's been the big story for days and days and days.
Or, you know, maybe Vevek is getting some traction and stuff.
But still, it's mostly very chill, you know, not big announcements or anything like that.
So I feel like, you know, it is the calm before the storm.
I feel like it's going to be really, really weird with AI and the way that's going to affect... Oh, the defakes aren't even coming.
tim pool
They've only just begun.
phil labonte
Yeah, and I think that, like I said, now is the calm before the storm, but I think that once the election starts, or once the campaigning starts going in earnest, it's going to be really weird with... people aren't going to know what to believe, and it's going to be really weird.
I don't know that...
I don't know that anyone's ever going to feel confident about who won an election ever again just because they're going to feel like they... I don't know that people are going to feel like they confidently can say that they made an informed decision that was actually informed by the truth as opposed to, you know, really propagandized.
reed coverdale
So I think it's going to be a mess whether Biden or Trump becomes the next president.
And I don't think we're on the verge of some, like, civil war.
I think people are too lazy for it still, honestly.
Like, you might have a few people who are real amped up.
But I mean, the FBI has been murdering people for a long time.
That's, you know, I understand that this is politically charged, but everything, every murder the FBI has ever committed in the past has been politically charged.
So I don't think this is necessarily a new thing and you know if you're not online all the time you talk to people like they're a little worried about stuff but not nearly at the levels that everyone is on Twitter and social media so I don't think that we're at the verge of any sort of conflict.
phil labonte
When people, one of the things that I think when people say that is I think of the idea that There's only a certain small percentage of people that are involved in any kind of like political, whether it be activists or whether it be, you know, just going out and demonstrating or protesting or whether it be people that actually do, you know, get violent and stuff.
It's always a small minority of people that get into that stuff.
Tim's talked multiple times about how when he was in Egypt, the Arab Spring was literally kicking off in Egypt, but at the same time there were people that were at cafes just going about their normal day.
And I feel like the people that are on Twitter and stuff are most likely the people that would be the ones that would be at least...
The most likely to be politically informed, so it seems to me to make sense that those people would be the most likely to be politically active, up to including, you know, violence.
tim pool
I think you nailed it.
It's never the majority.
I don't think there's, for the most part, a conflict in history where the overwhelming majority of a population was actively participating in a conflict.
Even in World War II, we're looking at, you know, what is like a million-some-odd conscriptions in a country of, at the time, what was it?
How many people were around then?
It's a fraction.
Yeah, it's a fraction.
I bet that maybe, well, like 60 to 100 million or something like that.
Probably less.
What is it?
unidentified
In 1941?
ian crossland
Yeah.
132 million.
132 million!
And how many soldiers did we conscript?
A million?
I don't know.
reed coverdale
It's somewhere around there, yeah.
tim pool
So that's like, you know, what, 0.7?
unidentified
Yeah, it's a small percentage.
tim pool
That were actively engaged in the conflict, and the reality is the people who were conscripted weren't actual participants in the conflict in the political sense.
It was, like, I gotta tell you, I bet most people didn't care!
And if you went around, I bet there are people going like, yeah, but if you ask your neighbor, they don't care about Germany or what's going on.
Yet somehow we found ourselves in that conflict.
So what I see happening, you get this guy who's posting on social media saying this horrifying stuff, you get Antifa, you get violent extremists who go out and the majority of people will cower, but conflict happens.
Eventually what happens is the question of who is in charge.
There's that moment Matt Taibbi wrote about where two cars speed towards the police station, two men in suits jump out, run full speed up to the door, run inside and run to the police chief and say, arrest that man and point to each other.
And now the police chief says, which one do I arrest?
Who's in charge?
What happens then?
There's a bunch of different ways these things like this go.
You have revolution.
You have military takeover.
In Egypt, the military took over.
The military just decided, you know what?
The civil unrest is too much, and they removed the president twice in the span of, I think, like a year.
But most people aren't paying attention to that.
I look outside and there's a guy sitting in McDonald's watching soccer.
He doesn't care.
I went to the mall in Heliopolis.
While the revolution is taking place in Egypt, And people were just shopping for cell phones.
And if you asked anyone of them, not a single person cared.
And then a day later, the military removed the president who was duly elected.
Why?
He was a Muslim.
And the secular people in the country, there were more secular people than Muslim Brotherhood supporters, but the Muslim Brotherhood was the largest faction of voters, so they won.
It was a legitimate first-past-the-post election.
The military said, we don't care.
But the average person, out shopping.
I go to a cafe, I'm having coffee, nobody's talking about it.
Now, you actually go out and you'll hear people talk about it.
So it's worrying to me in that I don't expect the average person to care.
I'm concerned about the people who are politically active and motivated, and I'm concerned with, look, if the reality is, you're right, nobody cares and no one's gonna do anything, then we're dealing with a federal government that has just amplified their corruption 100-fold to the point where they're, like, Watergate was a scandal.
This, apparently Joe Biden's still the good guy.
That is a degree of corruption and malfeasance we have never seen in this country before.
And what?
Nothing's happening?
It breaks down.
If nothing happens, if we don't have the best case scenario for everybody, Trump or Vivek or even Ron DeSantis, any one of these guys who pledges to fire people, the best case scenario is they do get elected, they do fire people, they do start weeding out corruption, and we turn this ship upright and we start saving it.
Otherwise, the two scenarios are overt conflict between angry political factions or Revolution.
Yeah, what bothers me- Psychotic despots go around and mercilessly beat, arrest, and lock up innocent people.
ian crossland
What gets me about these faction conflicts is that I think if there's an enemy of the United States, they would want that to happen.
It's very easy to destroy or take over or surpass an enemy if they're in fighting, if they're in the middle of a- half the country's fighting itself.
So they want people to walk outside and be like, hold on there.
I think you're the enemy.
And the other person's like, no, no, no, hold on there.
You're the enemy.
I saw it on TV.
They're like, no, I saw it on TV.
That's what they want.
So if people are brainwashed or afraid or dumbed, then they might do that.
But if so, not only do we need to weed out corruption within the government itself, we need to control the media in a way, or at least influence the media so that people are not afraid of each other.
tim pool
I think that's naive.
I think when you have people like these leftists who have come on this show, or The Culture War, who directly advocate for giving children sexual explicit content, I don't know what you're arguing for.
You tell those people, I'm sorry, I am not going to allow you to present this book of adult pictures to children, you should be in prison.
And they argue, I've got 80 million people at my back that tell you to STFU.
Now you've got a problem.
ian crossland
I mean, throwing people in prison for advocating for a book is different.
tim pool
I didn't say anything about throwing them in prison.
ian crossland
You just said you should be in prison.
You just said that.
tim pool
For giving the pictures to children.
ian crossland
No, you said the people that came on this show.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm saying the people who are giving these books to kids should be in prison.
The 80 million people at their back voting in support of it.
And you ask them and they'll deny it.
They'll say, well, I don't know about that.
But they're certainly complicit in it.
ian crossland
Were you saying?
reed coverdale
I was just going to say, I think the federal government's a lost cause and trying to kumbaya everybody into peace again is not going to happen.
So I think that separation and people going to places where people think the same way they are is the ultimate solution.
I mean, at this point, You know, when I see conservatives crying about the streets of San Francisco and, like, how horrible it's become, I'm just, like, I don't take them seriously anymore.
It's like, why do you care about San Francisco anymore?
It's so obviously toast and gone.
Or Chicago.
tim pool
Because they vote in our federal elections, which have an impact on whether we're going to war.
That's the problem right there.
reed coverdale
Exactly.
tim pool
We're not protecting our borders, whether or not the government is increasing the tax rate.
So when you have California bringing in non-citizens and using that to inflate their census numbers so they get more votes in Congress and in the Electoral College, we've got a very, very serious problem with what San Francisco is doing.
reed coverdale
Yeah, well that's the problem right there, that they have control over us and the solution is trying to decrease the control that these other states have over us.
The federal government needs to decentralize.
Instead of trying to fix it and just get better people into these positions, we need to go back to a more decentralized approach like the Tenth Amendment actually provided for.
That's the only solution.
tim pool
But I don't completely agree with that.
I maybe would have agreed with it a while ago, but now we see the issue of these West Coast states Passing laws where people can kidnap children and then sterilize them and the state will protect the kidnapper.
So there's a problem then when we say, everybody just pick your state and then shut up.
Okay, what happens when you're in Oklahoma?
And, uh, is it Oklahoma?
Let me make sure I have my states right.
What happens if you're in, it might be Kansas.
I gotta make sure.
I think it's Oklahoma.
What happens when, hold on.
ian crossland
Yeah, adjacent to Colorado.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the point I was going to make.
What happens when you're in Oklahoma, I think it's actually either of them, and a woman, you know, you're with a woman, she gets pregnant, and then she decides six months on she doesn't want to be with you, so she flees to Colorado.
Colorado, no limit on abortion.
Oklahoma, ban on abortion.
So what happens?
reed coverdale
Yeah, I mean, I understand why people are uncomfortable with that thought, but at this point, that's the only thing that I think is going to save pockets of society.
tim pool
So I'm asking you, what happens next?
reed coverdale
She goes to Colorado and gets abortions.
tim pool
And that man says, well, I guess she's gonna kill my son, and then just sits there and twiddles his thumbs?
phil labonte
Well, that's the way it is now.
tim pool
I mean, to be fair, so... Right now, there is a... It's that way now.
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
It wasn't that way before.
It used to be that there was a certain like, yes, these things would happen.
Yes, there are bad stories.
But the more people geographically polarize from from each other, the more you're and the more the culture divides and escalates.
Maybe abortion isn't the issue, but you run into that wall of there's going to be a kid kidnapped.
There's going to be a there's going to be a guy who lives in a neighborhood.
And he's going to have a creepy smile and he's going to go on TikTok and say, kids, don't listen to your parents.
Your parents are bad.
You should do whatever you want.
I support you.
He's going to get a message from a kid who says, actually, I live a few blocks away and I want to get sterilization surgery.
And the guy's going to say, I will drive you personally to California to make this happen.
He's going to kidnap the kid, go to California.
Do you think the parents are going to be like, well, guess my kid's sterilized?
Or do you think there's going to be a conflict between the major growing cultures between states?
phil labonte
Yeah, I get your point.
Is it the case where a third party not related to a child could take a child to it?
tim pool
Yes.
phil labonte
Wow.
tim pool
Yep.
I think that might be specifically in Washington, however.
reed coverdale
Washington State?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I think Washington State was the one that explicitly said, anybody who helps a child receive gender-affirming care will not face prosecution in their state.
reed coverdale
So, when we live in a post-rational society, which we do, there's no universal reason anymore, and we live in a quasi-democracy where The people of the country get to decide what is right and wrong, basically.
I mean, where is the win in the end there?
ian crossland
Getting rich.
reed coverdale
I mean, there's no moral win in the end, because you're dealing with people who don't believe in the same thing you do.
So that's why I'm saying, at this point in the game, you should move places where people do agree with you, because it's the only hope.
You're never going to convert the country back into it.
phil labonte
Sure, sure.
tim pool
I don't completely disagree.
My point is just that you have to ask yourself, what happens after everyone geographically polarizes?
reed coverdale
I think the liberal cities are going to continue to fall apart.
I mean, I don't think it's sustainable.
tim pool
And then what happens when people in cities don't have food or water?
reed coverdale
They're going to leave or they're going to die.
I mean, it's going to get bad, but... They're not just going to leave.
tim pool
So if you look at like New York City, liberal city, most of the state's relatively red.
So what is the city gonna do when the city is struggling and doesn't have food or water?
The same thing the left always does.
Steal it from somebody else.
The easiest thing to do is to go up north and go to the rural farms and just seize their food.
Hey, it's what communists do.
They're gonna say the people need this more than you.
They already do it in California with the water.
They tell the farmers, who are the lifeblood of the whole state and a good portion of this country, that they don't have surface water rights.
Because the surface water has to go to the liberal cities where people have voting power.
Then the poor people who live in these farming districts lose access to well water when the farmers drill into the earth to get groundwater to grow crops.
You can already see how that starts to break down.
My experience in California during the drought made me understand the importance of the Electoral College.
Why it is absolutely necessary.
And the Senate and Congress.
How the Founding Fathers did this.
It's brilliant.
In California, you have poor migrant workers and their wells for water run 30 feet deep.
There's canal water running through Tulare County, and I asked the farmers, why don't you use that water there?
And they said, we're not allowed to, it's illegal.
Because the cities voted to take the water, and the politicians say, well, the people need water first.
So what the farms do then, is they drill tens of thousands of feet, thousands of feet into the earth for groundwater, which drains the groundwater, and now all the poor people have no water anymore.
They're 30 foot wells, can't reach water, and the water stops.
The Electoral College changes the way the voting system would work.
Now, you can't just go to this small, I should say, a Republican system, and I mean that in the philosophical sense, not in the colloquial sense.
You have to go to them and say, we need you all to vote.
We can't just vote to take from you.
So that's the point.
When you look at why we break things down by states, why they have senators, so that you can't just say, we outvote you, therefore we get your water.
reed coverdale
Right.
And my statement is it's not broken down enough.
Have you heard of the Free State of Jefferson initiative?
unidentified
Yes.
reed coverdale
And California trying to break into three different states?
tim pool
Right.
Greater Idaho.
reed coverdale
Yeah, exactly.
Those are the type of things that need to happen because you're right, San Francisco and L.A.
Control an entire state now, and that's the problem, is all that centralized control.
So if that can be removed and dispersed, I think that's the only peaceful solution.
tim pool
It's not a peaceful solution.
I don't disagree.
I think it is a better move to make now.
But when you have 10 million people in the New York metro, and it's falling apart and collapsing, a decent amount of them leave, and a decent amount of them will band together and say, we deserve it.
And then you get conflict.
You're gonna have people in cities, like the Colorado River is a really interesting problem.
The Great Lakes are a really interesting problem.
You've got states, I think it was Arizona trying to sue, to claim the rights over Great Lakes water, arguing the Great Lakes are part of the United States, and the water should be dispersed, and then you have the Great Lakes Coalition, fortunately, because I believe Ontario is a part of it, it's now international, and other states can't just drain the Great Lakes.
But the Great Lakes need to be replenished.
They go down if there's too much consumption.
I see what I see happening with places like San Francisco and why I'm concerned about them is that as they fall into chaos, those people who live there, they need food and they need water.
They need shelter and they want security.
And if that falls apart, even by their own fault, they will come and take it from you.
And that means maybe they just move to where you live, and then start voting for things that destroy your systems, or maybe they stay there, it continues to decay, and then eventually, they just start going and stealing from farms, passing laws where they lock farms down, and claim property, and you get communism.
reed coverdale
I mean, how is that not happening under our federalist system we have now, though?
The same thing's happening.
They're doing that to every single state.
tim pool
So if we had property rights, if we had a federal system that actually enforced equality under the law, you have a lot less of this.
Now someone shows up and says, I get your farm.
They say, I sue you.
Now it goes to the federal government and they supersede the state and say, you can't do that.
You can't take someone's farm.
But that's breaking down.
And that's the issue.
We don't have a shared... Like, it's a combination of things.
It's not just government.
It's culture.
We don't have a shared moral framework anymore.
You have the rise of leftists.
And the funny thing is, the success of this nation gave rise to weak-minded, entitled individuals who seek to steal from others without doing any of the work.
And that leads to collapse.
I mean, these people vote.
So they vote, they vote to take, and they keep doing it.
And then what ends up happening is one of two things.
As the system starts to break down, you either get revolution, or, well, there's a few ways.
Reform is really possible, but it's really hard.
You're either going to get revolution or civil war if it really does escalate to that point.
And I kind of feel like when we learned the DOJ is going after Trump's lawyers, That, that, like, look man, it was already unprecedented the DOJ went after Joe Biden's political rival, Donald Trump.
Unprecedented.
Now they're saying they're going to go after Trump's lawyers, the people giving him legal counsel.
The government basically saying, if you provide constitutionally protected services, legal representation to someone who we oppose, we're going to lock you up.
There's an obvious next step to this.
Advocacy.
They were already saying they were political consultants.
One of the co-conspirators was a consultant, not even a lawyer.
Someone who advocated that Trump file these lawsuits and seek alternate electors.
The next step is fairly obvious.
Those who incite criminal actions.
They've already made the claim that it's not free speech to incite criminal activity, right?
So now when they say that Donald Trump's actions in 2020 were criminal, the next step beyond his lawyers is anyone who publicly spoke advocacy for Donald Trump's illegal actions was inciting people to commit crimes, and they're next.
reed coverdale
So, I think the South should have been allowed to secede during the Civil War, and the rewritten history about it is that it was all about slavery that had nothing to do with anything else, and that has built an American dream that it's wrong to let people leave this country, and wrong to let people do their own thing, and that it's morally correct to bind us all together as one country.
If the South had actually left, I don't think, you know, the North was kind of doing what you're describing that leftists do, is always trying to reach out and get more power.
They were taxing the South a lot more than they should have been.
And so that type of thing is happening now, you know, the reconstruction mindset.
Has really just like kept going and given us the progressive era and destroyed this country and unless we finally just break off and say, you know what?
We don't know what we don't all belong under the same system.
We need to have you know, different governments that you know, respect people the way they want to live and you know, I just I just think it's the only way we can go forward and then what what happens after that?
I think that The leftists are always going to want more control, like you said, but the only way to not give it to them is starve them of it.
Right?
tim pool
What likely happens after a separation, if the United States were to break into two, and the left called it like, Jesus Land and the United States of Canada, that's the meme they put out, The next likely thing to happen is a unipolar Chinese communist planet, where trade is going to be regulated under their currency and their rules and their whims, and you're going to end up with not NATO control, but BRICS control.
That could go on for several decades, maybe a hundred years, who knows?
What that means for Americans is, well, for one, it could mean less war, it could mean that we can live peacefully and farm in our own states and mind our own business, but it means your standard of living drops by some odd 90%.
And that's, you know, I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing.
I mean, the issue is the petrodollar.
It props up our economy and makes Americans wealthy based on nothing.
When this country splits in two, the petrodollar ceases to exist.
BRICS nations basically take over the global economy and oil trade, and that means Americans have to once again start producing, and we don't.
So, for those that advocate for this, the end result is going to be you will work more than you've ever worked in your life, and your standard of living will be 90% lower.
Me, personally, I don't mind tending to chickens and animals and working on a farm and reading books and just working every day.
These liberals, these leftists, they're going to cry.
They're going to cry more than they've ever cried in their lives, and they're going to beg to bring back the petrodollar.
reed coverdale
Don't you think that's kind of an inevitability at this point, though?
tim pool
That's why I say it's unavoidable.
Yeah, I mean... Well, I mean, look, in the event that... I really do mean it.
If you get a Donald Trump, a Vivek, or even a Ron DeSantis, if they win and they actually do follow through on the things they've said, it's not inevitable.
There is a possibility that we come out on top of this successfully.
And that's still sort of bad news for anti-war individuals because the US machine just keeps on keeping on.
But to fire corrupt prosecutors, to criminally charge corrupt politicians, and to reform and restore the actual Like, I don't want to say moral framework of the past in its entirety, but the core moral frameworks of classical liberalism the Founding Fathers believed in, then things start to repair and strengthen.
But you've got to get rid of the rot.
You've got to carve out the rot first and then rebuild.
phil labonte
There's part of me that does think that if you can wake up the average shitlib, right, the average liberal that Gets conned into illiberal things because some authoritarian convinces them that they'll be safer or they'll be looked at, you know, as the nice guy or it's, you know, it's racist to not do this or whatever the...
The con from the progressives is if you can convince your average bad liberal that they're being a bad liberal and they need to come back to things like the rule of law, the freedom of speech, that things like the rule of law has a big effect on You know, the criminal element in your cities and that has a big effect on the economy.
And if you can remind liberals that these things actually do matter and that the way they've been voting and the behaviors of the politicians they're electing are actually illiberal, then I think that you could have A positive result without some kind of massive revolution, but without the people realizing that the things that they're asking the government to do are bad, illiberal, and producing the results that they actually don't like.
As long as people don't realize that, as long as they think that voting for what sounds nice is the Proper course of action.
reed coverdale
There's not going to be any significant change I just wanted to also add that you know Not just on a warfare front but on an economic front ever since we've been on the petrodollar the dollar has lost You know all its value if you look 1971 we came off the gold standard and then I think in 1974 we went on the petrodollar and ever since then the dollar has just tanked so I don't think it was a I don't think it was a reliable system even with you know competent leadership I don't think it was sustainable
tim pool
I want to show you this picture.
This is the only path forward.
Right here.
Everyone take a look.
That's it.
reed coverdale
Who does?
tim pool
I'm just kidding.
So I pulled up some AI images that I made because I think they're funny.
But look at this guy's hat.
Like this one guy over here is wearing a very, very tiny hat for some reason.
This is Midjourney made this.
It's Generalissimo Trump.
But I want to show you another image.
This is what the establishment fears.
Donald Trump shaking hands with Sonic the Hedgehog.
But this one is actually the one I want you to see.
Because if you were to actually remove Sonic the Hedgehog from this image, it actually looks like a real photo of Donald Trump running down the street.
The average person is not going to be able to understand that this was generated by AI.
Granted, we put Sonic the Hedgehog in it, so we know this is not real.
But this is what I'm talking about with the political battle that's coming up.
This next year, the deep fakes that we are going to see of audio of video.
It's it's no one's going to know it's real.
There is not.
I mean, look, if Joe Biden is willing to steal the private communications of Trump and try and lock him up, you think Democrats aren't going to make fake audio of him, fake videos of him?
unidentified
You can do all that and more.
phil labonte
Can you, I mean, that's the stuff that is going to be really, really difficult for people to sort through.
Because it's not going to be, it doesn't have to be like the official DNC to produce something that looks really good.
I mean, we saw that with the DeSantis... They're going to outsource it.
Video that had the sonor out at the end.
tim pool
Well, that was his campaign who made that.
ian crossland
Or the CCP.
phil labonte
Yeah, but what I'm saying is it wasn't difficult for them to make that.
It's not difficult for a person like the Carpe Donctum or whatever his name, like he was doing that stuff in his own time.
It's not like you need some big infrastructure with highly skilled people.
You just need Photoshop or Lightroom or whatever your, you know, DAW.
No, it's not a DAW.
What's the, I don't know, your program of choice.
So yes, your point is well taken and it's something that is going to be difficult to navigate.
tim pool
I want to bring up this story for everyone who said that Trump can't win.
Trump mocks Chris Christie's weight.
Don't call him a fat pig.
The former president made fun of, yes, of the former New Jersey governor and 2024 Republican nomination rival in a speech in New Hampshire.
It's really funny because he said, Christie, he's eating right now.
He can't be bothered.
phil labonte
When he said that, there was like 30 people in the media that were just like, yes, he's back.
tim pool
That's when a man in the crowd shouted out to prod Trump.
Sir, please do not call him a fat pig.
I'm trying to be nice.
Don't call him a fat pig.
You can't do that.
That is the masterful anti-insult insult of Trump.
When he goes on stage and he says, you know, you've got Chris Christie.
Some people call him a fat pig.
unidentified
We don't do that.
It's a mead.
tim pool
That's his that's his game.
And it's brilliant because he's insulting him.
What do you mean?
I said, don't call him a fat pig.
You know, Trump's back.
I saw that.
As soon as I saw the story, don't call him a fat pig, I busted out laughing and I'm like, this is what Trump excels at.
He is an entertainer.
He builds confidence by being in control of the stage.
And he's got it now.
Not to mention Chris Christie is very pro-war.
So I don't know who's going to vote for that guy anyway.
But I do think this is a sign, as silly and stupid as it may be, that Donald Trump has the energy to win again.
I'd prefer a lot of other people, to be completely honest.
Only thing I'm really saying is, I hope Trump fires everybody.
reed coverdale
Trump is good at firing people, I'll give him that.
It's just he's never been good at hiring them.
tim pool
That's true.
And he wasn't his first time around, but I'm really hoping that this time around he's just seeing red the whole time.
phil labonte
If it's Trump, great, that's fine.
But for me, it's like, look, I want a president that's going to significantly cut the government.
reed coverdale
Yeah, he's not your best bet.
phil labonte
No, but he, him?
tim pool
Yeah, he probably isn't.
phil labonte
I mean, compared to who else?
Again, Vivek, maybe?
reed coverdale
I'm just saying, because, just given, like, I expect him to piss a lot of people off, but I expect him to sign tons of spending bills, and, I mean, just, just looking at how he, I mean, I know I'm a libertarian, but even if you're a conservative, judging how Trump governed, like, gun control, spending, expansion of government, like, he was just, He's the only one that looks at the security establishment, or the intelligence establishment, or whatever, as the enemy.
I agree with you there.
phil labonte
I think that he would make significant cuts in the FBI.
reed coverdale
I think he would make changes, like a personnel change.
I don't see him actually taking a hatchet to it.
ian crossland
Do you know the extent of what he did with the drone program?
I know he made it secretive and gave control to the generals, his subordinates.
reed coverdale
Yeah, I mean, they stopped recording how many drone strikes were happening under his presidency, so they don't actually know what the number is.
It was very high, though.
You know, people rightly point out how many bombs Obama dropped because it was abysmal, but Trump...
Uh, I think he, he didn't drop more than Obama, but he dropped, uh, more in his first four years than Obama did in either four year period.
So it was, I mean, he dropped a lot of bombs.
ian crossland
And then he, then there was a bunch off the record.
We just don't know how many were dropped or where they were dropped or anything like that.
tim pool
Do you think that, what's your view of how we handle, say like Afghanistan or Syria, just complete instant removal of all assets and personnel?
reed coverdale
So I think, I mean, it's a mess no matter how you leave.
The problem with Afghanistan, I think I talked about this last time I was on here, was the order of operations, you know, like Phil said, that you get the people out first and the military out last, but also Donald Trump had made deals with the Taliban about like, hey, we're out of here in May.
And then Joe Biden came in and was dragging his feet and was like, nope, I'm going to make my own Taliban deal and we're going to leave in September.
And then the Taliban was like, well, what the heck?
Why are you still here?
So, you know, there are ways we could actually start pulling troops out.
But Trump was actually stifled by a lot of his generals.
He wanted people out of Afghanistan.
He wanted to start withdrawing and they screwed him up.
Um, that was one of the best things about his presidency was the deal with the Taliban and trying to pull him out.
tim pool
So the issue with the drone strikes is if you immediately remove all the troops, you get what Joe Biden did.
Granted, I think Joe Biden sabotaged Afghanistan intentionally.
The abandoning of Bagram Air Force Base was a psychotic move.
What I see with Trump, and this is not to defend drone strikes, the US should never have been engaged in these wars, I think Trump's strategy was increase drone strikes and pull our troops out.
Man, once our troops are out, decrease drone strikes, we're gone.
reed coverdale
Well, Trump increased troops in Afghanistan in the beginning of his presidency.
He did start trying to pull them out eventually, but at the beginning of his presidency, on war, he was awful.
tim pool
Yeah, he fired 59 Tomahawks into Syria.
reed coverdale
Yeah, he was just ramping everything up.
John Bolton.
And then toward the end, he was kind of like, alright, alright, alright, you know, maybe I actually should pull some troops out.
tim pool
So I think one of the only ways you effectively withdraw from Afghanistan in the way that What would be to you basically use drone strikes as a placeholder as you remove personnel and then you rescind the drone strikes.
You need you need a wall to stop what happened.
And I think I think Joe Biden as awful as what he did gave us a window into into into how not to respond in terms of the mistakes.
reed coverdale
He did use a drone strike though after.
What was it?
After that ISIS-K bombing?
tim pool
Right.
reed coverdale
He did use a drone strike and killed like 11 civilians with it or something.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
And my point is this.
If you are trying to actively withdraw all your troops from, say, Afghanistan, you can't just recall them all instantly.
There's got to be a tapered pullback of certain areas.
You obviously don't abandon Bagram Air Force Base.
My point is that I think Trump's strategy, probably not even his, but probably some advisor was, Increase the drone strikes to create pressure.
Get our troops out.
Decrease drone strikes, release pressure.
We're gone.
reed coverdale
I think the problem with Afghanistan was extending the leave date by like six months.
tim pool
Well, that's Joe Biden.
reed coverdale
That is Joe Biden.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
100%.
And then Joe Biden says, we're going to pull our troops out abruptly in the middle of the night without informing any of our partners in the region, without informing the Afghan security forces.
And then they're left with no logistics.
So you've got guys flying helicopters being like, where am I going for fuel?
Is anyone there?
What's happening?
Just gone in an instant.
reed coverdale
And I think it was all for political optics.
It was all because he didn't want Trump's Afghanistan withdrawal plan.
tim pool
Yep.
I mean, what an evil piece of garbage.
phil labonte
Was it 19 people died because of it?
reed coverdale
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, I think more than that, we're talking about 19 Americans, right?
reed coverdale
Yeah, from the ISIS-K bombing.
tim pool
How many civilians, bystanders are caught up in this and now living under the Taliban?
reed coverdale
So, I mean, Joe Biden is plenty fair game, but also George W. Bush is who everyone really should hate.
We didn't need to be in Afghanistan for 20 years.
We could have had Osama bin Laden in 2001.
tim pool
I do not believe the U.S.
went to Afghanistan for Osama bin Laden.
ian crossland
No, they didn't.
They went there for poppy, for heroin and oil.
phil labonte
And lithium.
ian crossland
Lithium as well.
phil labonte
They didn't go there for heroin.
tim pool
They went there for lithium.
ian crossland
There's actually photos of U.S.
soldiers guarding poppy fields as they were harvesting it.
tim pool
And that may be a component, but I think it was probably strategic access, a pincer move on Iran, access to lithium, seizing the region before China or Russia could take it, and nation building.
And they use Osama bin Laden as an excuse to launch that invasion, and they use WMD as an excuse to invade Iraq.
Why?
Anybody know geography?
Iraq's over here, Afghanistan's over here, Iran be right in the middle.
John Bolton said, I think it was in 2018, by this time next year we'll be celebrating in Tehran.
That's what their goal was.
ian crossland
I'm glad you brought up George Bush because we talk a lot about how Biden is the worst president ever in people's lifetimes.
A lot of people will say that.
It was George Bush.
reed coverdale
It was George Bush, yeah.
ian crossland
That guy started this.
The worst?
9-11, War on Terror crap, the Patriot Act, all the war that we've seen in the Middle East was started by those people.
reed coverdale
All the power that the Democrats are using against conservatives now with the Department of Homeland Security and everything, you can thank George W. Bush.
tim pool
I think to be fair though, we can say that Cheney was the worst president because I don't think George... I almost said that!
ian crossland
Dick Cheney, I believe, maybe you can confirm this, Reid, that George Bush had actually given authority of the Air Force to Dick Cheney?
Is that what it was?
On 9-11 it was Cheney's call whether or not to fly the planes to defend the towers.
reed coverdale
Yeah, it was Cheney's call to not shoot down the plane that hit the Pentagon.
ian crossland
And that should have been the president's call.
reed coverdale
Yeah, but he was reading to children or something and then was on Air Force One.
ian crossland
What a pathetic, nepotistic, daddy's boy getting into power mess of a presidency, and then they put his dad's buddy in as the VP to let him run the show.
reed coverdale
If you don't mind me going on a short side trail here, just because Vivek Ramaswamy put out a great tweet about 9-11.
And it was about Flight 77.
It was about the hijackers who flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon, Khalid al-Midar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, and how they had Saudi royalty indirectly wiring them money.
Prince Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador to the United States, wired money to Maher al-Bayoumi in the United States, and then he gave it to uh Khalid Almodar and Nawaf Al-Hazmi who later flew the plane into the pentagon and this is something that a lot of 9-11 conspiracy theorists completely miss because it's flashy and sexy and everything to deny a plane hitting the pentagon or deny a plane going down at shanksville but if you just deny these things instead of looking into it you actually find out that the true anomalies
of people doing shady things are mostly involved with Flight 93 and Flight 77.
And I'm not the expert on this.
I just know people who are.
Ryan Dawson, Adam Fitzgerald, they've done extensive research on all this stuff.
Go check them out.
But Flight 77, Khalid Al-Madar, Nawaf Al-Hazmi, the 28 pages of the 9-11 report.
Just go check that out.
It's very eye-opening.
ian crossland
I thought that for 20 years they had one story, which was it was just they were just there working together.
For fun.
Like, there was no connection, and then all of a sudden in the last two years, more documents came out that show the connection to the Saudi Prince.
tim pool
Let me read this from Vivek.
So, he says, Mike Pence says today that he was deeply offended that I don't trust that the government told us the truth in the 9-11 commission report.
He says, well, I find it offensive that our government repeatedly lies to us.
Here's the truth.
The FBI quietly declassified documents in 2021 that definitively reveal the government lied to the public about basic facts of Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11, until documents were declassified and they changed their story 20 years later.
Omar al-Bayoumi, a 42-year-old graduate student, welcomed, housed, set up bank accounts, and gave rent money to the first two al-Qaeda hijackers.
After they landed in Los Angeles in January of 2000, Al Baioumi claimed to have met the two terrorists entirely by chance.
The 9-11 Commission report verified that Baioumi's altruism was in the name of hospitality, as he claimed.
The FBI 20 years later changed its story.
In documents declassified last year, the Bureau affirmed that Biaomi was in fact an agent of the Saudi intelligence service who worked with Saudi religious officials and reported to the kingdom's powerful ambassador in Washington.
U.S.
government officials continue to lie about other matters of public importance, the origin of COVID, knowledge about UAPs, Hunter Biden's laptop, and how our money is actually being spent in Ukraine.
The Nashville Shooter's Manifesto, with a complicit media that just accepts the prevailing narrative without question.
This fuels rampant public distrust.
There is no credible evidence that 9-11 was an inside job, but ironically, when the government systematically lies about Saudi involvement, and the media runs interference, that lends plausibility to an otherwise unlikely claim.
There's no such thing as a noble lie.
With all due respect to the former VP, the reason that people don't trust the government is because the government doesn't trust the people.
Man, mic drop!
reed coverdale
Very well said.
tim pool
Wow!
phil labonte
He's great.
tim pool
I want to vote for this guy.
ian crossland
Yeah, do it.
tim pool
Yeah, I do hope he wins.
ian crossland
Me too.
tim pool
I think, to be honest, I don't think he's going to win.
ian crossland
He'd need to be selected somehow, like Obama was.
Well, Deep State needs to get involved.
tim pool
I'm surprised he's not polling higher already, considering he's broken into second place a couple times, and in the prediction markets he has.
I'm surprised.
He's just, every time I see him do an event, he's hitting a home run.
He's hitting a grand slam.
ian crossland
Well he basically, he echoed or just talked about exactly what we were just talking about, that 20 years after the 9-11 Commission report had lied to the American people about the terrorists' involvement with the Saudi Prince, they didn't even bring up the Saudi Prince maybe at the time, I don't know, 20 years later they admit we were lying, that the Saudi Prince was involved in funding these guys.
tim pool
When Donald Trump said that Chris Christie was probably eating, he said Vivek is catching up on DeSantis and he's good.
Yeah.
Trump was like, he's good.
Vivek knows how to play the game.
ian crossland
It's all respect between Trump and Vivek.
I like it.
reed coverdale
Yeah, remember who was like that in 2016 though?
It was Trump and Cruz until right up till the end.
They were like buddy buddy, you know, like he wouldn't tread on Trump's shoes and then...
I bet the gloves come off eventually.
tim pool
The vape has handled his reason for running and his criticisms of Trump masterfully.
He's defended Trump on all the most important things, praised Trump on all the good things
that he's done, and I think his core issue is that he's mostly just a younger, more active
and involved individual who thinks that he could do a better job.
What's Trump going to say to that?
Good luck!
reed coverdale
This is one area where Trump really messed up was with the Saudis.
You know, he talked about finding out what really happened on 9-11 when he ran in 2016, and then when he's president, he's over there with the Saruman ball with them, you know, and, you know, dancing with the sword and, you know, just forgetting about Khashoggi and all that.
So, I don't know.
ian crossland
So, the Saudi Arabian prince was sending money to the terrorist hijackers.
Before they hijacked the planes.
reed coverdale
To Mayer al-Bayoumi, who was a Saudi student in the United States.
A middleman.
Yeah, middleman, who then was housing and giving aid to Khalid al-Madar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.
ian crossland
Now, someone funding terrorists before they attack doesn't necessarily mean that they were funding the terrorist attack.
They might have just been funding these guys for fun.
There's no way to know.
But this is damning.
This shows direct correlation between the Saudi government and the terrorist attacks on 9-11.
reed coverdale
And he's on target.
Like, what he's talking about here is the real deal.
I mean, so many people get distracted by, I'm gonna just call them dumb conspiracies, like no planes or, you know, like stuff that doesn't matter.
And he's on target, so good for him.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story about Trump.
Trump, we got this from CNN.
Security increases for judge assigned to Donald Trump's January 6th criminal case.
It all appears to be some kind of escalation.
CNN has observed more security detail to Judge Tanya Chutkin, and Deputy U.S. Marshals discussed
security plans for the judge on Monday.
The U.S. Marshals Service handles security at the D.C.
District Court and the spokesman for the service said it takes that responsibility very
seriously.
Ensuring that judges can rule independently and free from harm or intimidation is paramount
to the rule of law.
You know, you see this, and we had the story that we kicked off with about that guy in Provo who the FBI killed, and it seems like, I mean, look, it seems like violence is on the horizon.
phil labonte
And then you think about the fact that, or the story about Andy's, Andy Ngo's situation yesterday, how the entire court seemed to be against him.
tim pool
But Andy did win.
So, in this particular case, he loses against these two individuals, but the court found the other defendants in default.
And I think what happens is fairly obvious.
Andy sues a handful of these far-left extremists.
Then, they all meet together.
And my opinion and assumption on what they probably did was, hey, you guys actually did it, so don't show up.
They'll hold you in default, you'll lose, but we don't want it on the record that you actually did it.
Then those who weren't involved will go, say I wasn't involved, I didn't attack them, and then you'll get a trial where it's Andy no loses.
So he won against a couple of defendants already.
They're in default.
ian crossland
What does that mean, that they're in default?
tim pool
It means, like, no contest.
They didn't show up, so they lose.
ian crossland
So they're found guilty?
tim pool
It's not guilty, it's a civil trial.
They're in default, so they made no argument.
Yeah, to what extent, I'm not entirely sure.
Against the guys who likely attacked him, they probably... And apparently one of the guys showed up after the fact, if he was already found in default.
He tried showing up in the stands or whatever.
But the story about Trump and the judge, and the judge getting more security, apparently people are saying that the judge is... that basically what's happening is they're insinuating there are very serious threats from the right against the judge because of things Trump's been saying, and they're trying to make it look like Trump is a persistent and consistent threat.
ian crossland
I support them getting security for any judge at this point, but I do agree that I think this maybe is a play to make it look like the guy that's got a preside over them.
phil labonte
No, it's not maybe.
Look at the way that they behave about the right all the time.
It is constantly that the right is dangerous.
We need security from the right.
The right's going to do this.
The right's going to do that.
And if you look at the past couple of years, you know, you've got Justice Steve Scalise was shot by a Bernie Sanders supporter.
You got people showing up at Supreme Court justices' houses saying that they're, oh, we're going to, you know, I came here because I was going to kill the guy.
reed coverdale
Yeah, but Phil, a guy dressed up in a buffalo costume and went into the Capitol once.
ian crossland
He was on Michael Malice's show, by the way.
phil labonte
He was today, yeah.
ian crossland
Jacob Chansley.
phil labonte
You've got people actually throwing Molotov cocktails at police in Portland.
And all that stuff is is mostly ignored.
There's an attack on the White House that makes Trump go into the bunker and all that's ignored.
But then, you know, the right does anything and then and it's it's.
reed coverdale
That's the most amazing hypocritical moment right there.
phil labonte
But it's not hypocrisy.
I've said this a bunch.
There's this dude, Herbert Marcuse, who wrote papers.
Giving the logic, giving the justification.
It's called Repressive Tolerance.
It came out in 1964.
An essay on tolerance, I think is what it's called, came out in 1964.
Herbert Marcuse is a rock star of philosophy on the left.
He wrote a bunch of books.
Coincidentally, he's also influential when it comes to queer theory.
He wrote this book called Eros and Civilization.
He wrote a book called One Dimensional Man.
But all these things that we're seeing in reality here in society now, these things are all At least outlined in leftist theory books decades and decades ago.
They're just manifesting in reality now.
All this stuff is completely predictable and you can see, you can just go and find the arguments and read the arguments for this behavior if you want to.
It's not like the right is making it up.
ian crossland
Is it fair to say that Marcus was writing like a playbook of how to win a cultural revolution in the United States?
phil labonte
I don't know that he was writing a playbook.
I think that he was more A philosopher overall than an actual tactician, but possibly.
I don't know.
I think I would defer to someone that's more familiar with Marcuse's stuff.
I haven't studied his stuff.
unidentified
I see.
ian crossland
I guess there's a difference in strategy and tactics.
So is he more of a strategist?
phil labonte
I thought that was like Salilinsky's stuff.
That guy rules radicals and he was really like a tactics dude.
Maybe someone like Mark Hughes was a strategy guy, and then Olinsky was more of a tactics guy.
You know, like an on-the-street, or on the ground, how you actually affect these ideas, or make these ideas manifest in reality.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet from Julie Kelly.
She tweets, Jack Smith errantly claimed that Trump was a flight risk to convince Judge Beryl Howell to prevent Trump from knowing about the Twitter search warrant.
Beryl Howell agreed that Trump would flee from prosecution, writing, the district court also found reason to believe the former president would flee from prosecution.
The government later acknowledged, however, that it errantly included flight from prosecution as a predicate in its application.
They have already laid the groundwork to remand Trump to custody under the idea that he will flee if they try to convict him.
And so this is what I was saying before.
If the charges against Donald Trump are legitimate, if they genuinely believe it, Trump would be locked up right now.
They would not let him leave.
The man owns several jets, helicopters.
He's a billionaire.
He has buildings with his name on it.
He owns buildings all over the world.
He could go to any one of these countries.
He has the absolute capabilities to flee.
The only reason he wouldn't is because he's running for president, but they have made the argument already.
We're getting this information out of the Twitter revelation that they're trying to seek information from his Twitter account.
They're actually arguing now that Trump's going to try and flee.
So how long until they remand him to custody?
How long until they make the argument that Trump should not be free, and then they stop him from campaigning?
ian crossland
I don't know.
I thought that they were not going to do that.
This just came out today that they errantly included flight from prosecution as a predicate.
What does that mean?
They accidentally had his flight risk in there and then they took it out?
tim pool
I think what they're saying is they did not mean to include that they feel that Trump is a flight risk when facing prosecution.
ian crossland
That's got to be false.
Like, you don't make accidents at that level.
Maybe.
tim pool
Maybe they do.
reed coverdale
Maybe they do, actually.
ian crossland
I don't know.
But it seems like a convenient accident to have that piece of data on and off the record at the same time.
tim pool
I think they're going to lock him up.
They're trying to silence him.
Trump's fighting back.
reed coverdale
Can he still run if they lock him up?
tim pool
Yes, but he's not going to be able to go to rallies.
reed coverdale
I mean, it sounds kind of fun, though.
I'm kind of interested in that idea.
tim pool
I think if they lock him up, he still wins.
That'd be the best.
In fact, I think it helps him.
And I think they know, they know, exactly.
I think they know putting him in jail is gonna give him a major victory.
phil labonte
Look, if Elon Musk is right, that is the funniest outcome.
reed coverdale
It is.
phil labonte
He gets arrested and then goes to jail and then wins and pardons himself.
ian crossland
And pardons all the guards.
phil labonte
And then goes to D.C.
That would be hilarious.
reed coverdale
Yes.
tim pool
But there are many people Throughout history, who have been jailed by their government or political rivals, and then later get out and then win.
ian crossland
Hitler is the first one that comes to mind.
reed coverdale
Yeah, I was going to say Hitler.
tim pool
I was going to say Mandela.
reed coverdale
Mandela's the other one.
ian crossland
Napoleon was banished, and then he came back and went right back to the revolution and started attacking again.
reed coverdale
Yep.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I think there's a strong possibility they lock up Trump.
They're throwing everything and the kitchen sink.
phil labonte
I think it'd be hilarious.
ian crossland
They would piss off a hundred million people if they did that, like beyond mega.
That would be the worst tactic.
tim pool
Maybe that's the real conspiracy theory.
That Trump really is the, the, you know, the trigger.
reed coverdale
No, that's a war.
tim pool
No, that Trump is deep state.
And in order to get him to win with the support of the people, you need to make him into the martyr into the victim that people are willing to get behind.
ian crossland
Interesting.
reed coverdale
It's not that hard to imagine though, if you think about like, so just do a thought experiment with me for a second.
Imagine if Joe Biden had been president in 2020, do you think all those red governors would have locked their states down?
Yeah.
tim pool
Mmm, they would they would have been on the opposite side.
reed coverdale
They would have said oh, no, you know Yeah, they would have been like resisting the tyranny of Joe Biden where with Donald Trump saying hey guys We got to do this, you know all the red states kind of like, okay, whatever.
tim pool
So some day, that's a word Yeah, but the the argument would be How do you get a libertarian to vote for a Republican president?
reed coverdale
Make him funny.
tim pool
Make him unpopular.
No, you make him the martyr.
You make him the persecuted.
You make him the anti-establishment.
You make him the anti-government.
I was talking about this with Bitcoin.
I was like, you know, if I was a World Economic Forum globalist billionaire, And I wanted a one-world currency.
How would I do it?
Because we've heard that conspiracy over and over again.
They're gonna make a one-world government currency.
You know, Alex Jones has been talking about it for decades.
I'm like, well, you gotta get the crackpot conspiracy theorists to be the ones pushing and advocating for it.
Because you come out against them, then you get that whole network of people paying attention to politics, they're against you and they don't want to do it.
So then I see Bitcoin, and all of a sudden I see the likes of these anarchists, anti-establishment, conspiracy theorist types, all saying it's the future and you have to use it.
And I'm like, so this, this, you're calling it, I don't know if they call it a currency these days or whatever, but this like global financial transaction system that can be tracked by anyone at any point.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And they can know everything you're doing.
And y'all are advocating for, I'm like, that's a, this is like a one world unified currency.
Well, I mean, you know, I'm like, I'm not saying that that's true.
I'm just saying, if you want a one world currency, Bitcoin's, or I should just say crypto in general is a fast path.
Especially considering they can track everything you're buying.
reed coverdale
Yeah.
I'm a gold bug, so Phil's got to defend Bitcoin.
phil labonte
I mean, I'm a fan of Bitcoin as well as gold and silver, and I've got a little bit of all that stuff.
I'm not a one-way kind of dude.
That sounds a little... The guys in Tower Gang are going to punish me for that comment.
ian crossland
I like that you can create your own crypto and use it locally for things, even though the government would want to take taxes from you, you can still do it.
And things like, someone just texted Monero.
Gustav said that in the chat.
Yeah, Monero apparently is untrackable or more challenging to track.
phil labonte
Zcash.
tim pool
What happens when they tell Trump, they say, where are you currently residing?
It says Bedminster, New Jersey.
They say, OK, don't leave the state.
What about that?
That's a half scenario.
It's like they're not jailing him because they don't want to give him any hard political martyr benefits.
ian crossland
He probably would not leave the state.
Go nuts on social media.
They're not letting me leave the state.
This is unconscionable.
I'm stuck here in this beautiful palace in Bedminster.
You know, but I think he would stay there and just do a lot more media.
I have social media.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
If he went and he said that he was in Florida, I imagine he wouldn't get remanded to... It's gonna be a federal judge who says, like, we're gonna release you, but you have to stay in a certain area because we want to make sure that you don't flee, blah blah blah.
phil labonte
Maybe.
I do want to see this though.
tim pool
You want to see Trump arrested?
I want Trump remanded to custody.
I think the fact that they arrested him and let him go proves they're lying about everything.
They're accusing the guy of trying to overthrow the government, and they're like, yeah, you can go.
Go do whatever you want.
phil labonte
Yeah.
reed coverdale
So what I find interesting is they can't, you know, prosecute him for war crimes because they'd be complicit in the same things they tried to go after, you know.
tim pool
Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton.
Oh boy, we can go all the way back.
ian crossland
And the let them go thing is like, we think you did a crime, but you can go.
It's kind of like, here, take this package.
Whatever you do, don't take it across the street to that 7-Eleven.
Don't do it.
And then they just watch and they're waiting for him to take the package across the street.
They're like, we just want you to flee, man.
We just want you to do something to give us an excuse to crack down a hundred times harder.
tim pool
Trump's got a big jet.
He can fly wherever he wants.
reed coverdale
So do you think Trump will put his foot down on Ukraine?
Because he... Yes.
Again, I judge a man by what he does, not what he says.
And, you know, to his credit, he did talk to Putin and he kept an open line of communication for the most part.
But he also was the guy who initiated lethal aid to Ukraine.
Obama, like he even bragged, Obama was only sending pillows and helmets or something like that.
I'm sending them missiles.
And I mean, he was responsible for a lot of the escalation.
He tore up the INF Treaty, the Open Skies Treaty, you know.
So, I don't know.
Like, I just don't believe what people say.
I believe what they do.
tim pool
I do.
I think the war ends the moment he gets elected.
reed coverdale
Yeah?
tim pool
Mm-hmm.
I think Putin is going to cease fire, and then he's going to say, we're waiting, and Trump's going to go.
And I think a likely scenario, if Trump did get elected, is The Donbass goes to Russia.
Crimea and the Donbass go to Russia.
Ukraine retains everything else.
Fighting stops.
reed coverdale
I mean, I would like to think that could happen, because it's a very low bar.
Like, all we gotta do is stop sending billions of dollars and the war ends.
Which, the media's even starting to admit that now, that Ukraine can't win the war.
tim pool
Boris Johnson went there and disrupted peace agreements.
So, yeah, NATO countries want, they want war.
I mean, look, I think many in the West, United States particularly, are saying, this is our chance to, it's a casus belli for war with Russia.
We needed a way to justify war with Russia, and now we have it, but Russia needs to push harder, Russia needs to attack a NATO country so that NATO can invade Russia.
That's what they want to happen.
And they'll keep doing it until Russia has no choice.
I wouldn't be surprised if you get NATO military forces firing from inside NATO territory at Russians.
You've already got a story about a Russian strike that it was 600 feet from Romania or something like that, so we're getting dangerously close.
Donald Trump is going to go in and be like, nope, no more fighting.
He's going to go to Ukraine and be like, you're not getting any more money from us.
And they're going to go, okay, we want peace.
No more funding, no more military.
They're not going to be able to support any effort against Russia.
ian crossland
How entangled do you think the deep state is with this war right now?
How much vested interest do they have in seeing it through?
unidentified
100%.
ian crossland
Then they'll assassinate him if he tries to stop it.
tim pool
I see one- I think you mean to say they'll try.
They'll try.
ian crossland
They'll try over and over and over and over and over.
reed coverdale
One big problem with your theory I have is Lindsey Graham, how close that guy still is with Trump.
I mean, he is like the epitome of everything we're talking about.
tim pool
I think Donald Trump wants revenge too much.
When he goes in, he is going to be just screaming at the top of his lungs.
I'm not saying it's absolute, I'm just saying what they've done to him now, assuming it's all on the level, raiding his house, going after his family, whatever, he's gonna go and he's gonna scream at these people.
He's gonna be like, you're weak, you stabbed me in the back, Lindsey Graham?
Sure, maybe, but Lindsey Graham, what's he doing to help Trump right now?
Nothing.
These guys abandoned him.
reed coverdale
They campaigned with him a little bit.
tim pool
Yeah, but they abandoned him across the board.
So Donald Trump, maybe not perfect.
There's a strong possibility you get a bunch of BS.
But I'll, you know, I'll flip the coin.
I think there's a good, the best candidate right now for firing people in government.
Hey, maybe it's one guy, I'll take it.
It's gonna be Trump.
ian crossland
No, I don't think so.
I think it's Vivek because he talks about you can't literally fire people.
You can shut down Like sectors of the government where people work and then their jobs are dissipated and they no longer work there.
You can't do individual firings.
Trump didn't know that apparently when he was in office.
He's like, I can't fire them.
But he could have shut them down and he didn't.
I think he's not in a good state.
I don't know.
I don't want to assume too much, but it seems like Trump's not in a very good state of mind relative to 2016 when he was like, we're going to make America great.
He was talking about making things great.
Now he's talking about like, I'm going to go get them.
You let me back in there.
I'm going to get them.
tim pool
Revenge.
ian crossland
I don't want that.
reed coverdale
I mean, in 2016, he talked about the Federal Reserve and the bubble economy we've created and how lowering interest rates artificially is going to cause problems.
And then as soon as he became president, without addressing any of it, it was instantly the greatest economy in the world.
Everything's fine.
You know, so he has a way of talking about the problems when he's not in there.
And then as soon as he gets in, he has awful people, you know, talking him up and, you know, schmoozing him and everything.
And then He just kind of, I don't know, he listens to bad advice a lot.
I feel like his instincts are better than the governing he's done.
But, you know, he likes flattery, he likes being worshipped.
ian crossland
That's so dangerous for a leader.
phil labonte
Ian, you said that you don't want someone that's going to go in there and get him.
That's exactly what I want.
I want someone that's going to go in there and disassemble portions of the government.
I want someone that's going to go in there and get them.
I want someone that looks at them as a problem that needs to be remedied.
The bureaucracy in Washington needs to be disassembled.
That's the biggest problem the United States has right now is the massive amounts of bureaucracy.
Probably the security apparatus that was built after 9-11 has to be totally disassembled.
It has to be because it's been turned on the American people now.
So whoever's going to do the most disassembling, and I mean it, whoever's going to do the most damage to the bureaucracy, and by damage I mean disassembling, like taking it apart, firing people, Like getting rid of people that are working for the government.
Ending contracts.
I'm talking about serious, serious cuts to the government.
We get a lot of people coming in here and talking about like, oh I want to do this and I want to do that and stuff.
I want the guys that are like, I'm going to take the government apart because it's too big.
It's the biggest government in human history and it's It has so much redundancy, so much unnecessary power, and it violates the rights of people in the United States in every imaginable way.
Every single bill, every single amendment in the Bill of Rights is violated in some way nowadays by the federal government, and we should take the government apart and stop them.
ian crossland
I agree about disassembly.
I'm concerned about the methodology, because the two guys that I've been talking about are Trump and Ramaswamy.
And Vivek's pretty articulate and architectural about the way he wants to end certain programs, replace them with some, or in some instances not replace them with anything.
As opposed to what I'm hearing from Trump, and I haven't really talked to him about it, is, I want to go get them.
I'm going back in there to get them.
And it's like, I want to hear about your structural reform.
I don't really care about the people that much.
phil labonte
Yeah, I was going to say, that's Trump.
reed coverdale
I mean, he's not descriptive.
phil labonte
Like, literally, like that's like, whether or not Trump has, Trump never has a plan for that shit.
I don't think that he has any kind of plan.
He's gonna go in there and be like, how do I take things apart, take that apart, take this
unidentified
apart.
phil labonte
He's not, he's not.
reed coverdale
He's gonna be on his computer, Google, how to disassemble federal government.
ian crossland
And then he'll have to rely on advice and the people that play shell games with him will be like, yeah, actually you can't disassemble that one.
And he'll be like, really?
And then like six weeks will go by and he'll be like, why can't we do it guys?
Whereas Vivek's like stomping his foot, like sign this piece of legislation.
I've read the constitution 30 times.
Like he knows exactly where to move and to put the pieces to, to take this thing apart in a way that won't destroy it.
phil labonte
I want the destruction!
ian crossland
Well, disassembly and destruction are two different... No, they're not!
...methodologies to take something apart.
phil labonte
No, they're not!
ian crossland
I mean, you could argue... No, they are, they are.
If you disassemble... If you destroy it... I mean, you could argue that disassembly is a form of destruction.
phil labonte
I want it... I want it disassembled in a manner in which it does not function anymore.
So whether you call it disassembly, I'm saying disassembly so that way I sound nice and reasonable.
You can call it murder the government.
You can call it destroy.
You can say, you can use whatever, you know, articulate it however you want.
reed coverdale
However you want, not like the guy in Utah, you know.
phil labonte
That was a very specific individual.
I'm talking about the government broadly, the bureaucracy.
So I don't care if you talk about how you describe it.
I want the function of the bureaucracy currently to end and the people that work in the bureaucracy to work in other fields that are no longer in the government.
And then I want the buildings that house the bureaucracy to be razed to the ground or sold.
Actual elimination of government bureaucracy not restructure not give it or move it around Not a shell game.
I'm talking about get rid of jobs in the government because I want the government Smaller than it is and there's and I think there's too many people that that will say that especially even or even Libertarians or small government people they'll say oh we want to limit this and limit that but then they would never ever say I want to Get rid of jobs.
They'll never actually say they want to make real cuts.
I want real cuts.
Real, real cuts.
Real painful cuts to the government.
ian crossland
I guess technically they'd be layoffs, not firings, but layoffs.
phil labonte
No, no, no.
I don't care.
Call them what you want.
I just want them not doing their job anymore.
I want those jobs gone.
I want those jobs totally destroyed.
ian crossland
This is what they did in Iraq, though you've got to be careful with the Ba'ath Party.
phil labonte
No, that was getting rid of people that had a political, that was getting rid of a political ideology in the Ba'ath Party.
tim pool
We're saying, you know, shut down the Department of Education.
phil labonte
The Ba'ath Party was getting rid of the party ideology.
I'm saying, get rid of the function.
So like, when you talk about getting rid of the Ba'ath Party, what they did is they got rid of people that had an ideological perspective.
ian crossland
Saddam Hussein's political party.
phil labonte
It's like getting rid of Republicans.
What I'm saying is get rid of whatever the function that this agency does, whatever their job is, make the government no longer have that job.
So it's not getting rid of ideology, it's removing a function of the government.
tim pool
All right, we're gonna go to Super Chat.
So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, take that URL on YouTube, post it wherever you can, it really does help.
And head over to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're gonna have a members-only uncensored show coming up in about a half an hour.
And right now, I put up a poll on YouTube.
Should we keep Rise with Roberto Jr., or create a memorial blend for Roberto Jr.?
As of right now, 73% think we should immortalize Rise with Roberto Jr.
So, If by the end of tonight's show.
That is the dominant preference among all of you.
What I'm going to do is, we will alter the art on the existing Rise with Roberto Junior coffee blend to add his date of birth and his date of death and in memoriam on the back, but we will keep it in every other way the same.
Which means, the existing bags that we have, we actually have a few thousand that are still available, We'll be the last time those are printed, but we will keep it overwhelmingly the same.
I just feel like I don't want to do nothing.
I don't want to just have the same thing like we did nothing, you know, Roberto Jr.
Our favorite rooster, he dies, and we're just like, yeah, we'll just keep him.
No, no, no.
We'll make a new bag art, so that means that the existing art will be unique, and then there will be a very, very, very similar, but we'll say, in memoriam, with his, you know, life on the back.
I think that's the appropriate thing, if you all agree that we should immortalize the rise with Roberto Junior blend.
ian crossland
I love that the term rise with Roberto now takes on new meaning.
It's like the spirit.
It's like an elevation of spirit, man.
tim pool
Well, the return of the king.
We'll have to make a new blend for Roberto, who's returned.
ian crossland
Oh, the beast.
tim pool
He's come back because his son passed and he's got to take care of his grandkids.
ian crossland
Is he in there now?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
He's out there.
But we'll read some more Super Chats.
Let's get on with it.
I'm not your buddy guy.
Always the first!
He says, they aren't protecting Biden, they're protecting Obama.
Biden just so happens to be the key connection to unraveling the intel influence.
Perhaps.
Mick Zenmancer says, did I beat I'm Not Your Buddy Guy for first?
ian crossland
Oh, so close.
tim pool
No, you didn't.
You were six minutes late.
ian crossland
Sorry.
tim pool
Where are we at?
Kenneth Hart says, your show is not kid-safe, bro.
We visited my library mom, who, of course, rescued a pit bull.
I catch my oldest son wiggling his jowls, copying Tim's imitation of Obama, saying, too many kids, gotta blow them up.
He put too many pits.
That was just Seamus.
phil labonte
Too many kids.
Gotta blow them up.
tim pool
Yeah, so I made the joke where it's like, Barack Obama's like, if you vote for me, I'm gonna blow up kids.
And then Seamus was like, gotta blow up kids.
Too many of them.
ian crossland
Gotta change the population.
tim pool
Tom Mannion says, defend the guard.
Thanks for representing the bill, Reed.
reed coverdale
Got it.
unidentified
Let's grab some more superchats.
tim pool
SR71Industries says, Tim and gang, thank you.
My channel wouldn't be where it is today without you.
I do car enthusiast gaming, soon health and fitness for truck drivers, guns and gear.
This veteran appreciates it.
Rip Roberto.
Much love, Roberto Jr.
But I appreciate the sentiment.
Roberto is his father, who has returned.
His name is Roberto Beaks, and it was Roberto Beaks Jr.
And Roberto Beaks, Mr. Beaks, he's back.
William Tresh says, Tim, what are you talking about?
That nothing happened when the left threatened Trump.
Republicans sent so many strongly worded letters.
They did.
I remember those.
How dare you?
They were shaking their fist at clouds.
Matthew Maddox says people tried to burn down the White House with Trump inside.
They did.
And, uh, January 6th is more important, I suppose.
There you go.
Let's go.
Wardantic says, They definitely came after people who threatened Trump.
I got a visit at work from the SS because of an Epstein meme.
I had him and Kennedy in the same sentence and they cornered me at work.
And I'm a random nobody.
But that's what I was saying, we've heard all these stories about them knocking on doors.
The question is, what happened with this guy in Provo?
I think he probably shoved it to his door with a gun.
And then they were like, nope.
And he was like, nope.
And then this is what happens.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I think he, he probably got lippy.
reed coverdale
Judging off his social media.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
Dummy.
tim pool
Mike E says, head to send to my dog of 15 years over the rainbow bridge today.
Can y'all please shout out my dog, Abby, one of the greatest dogs ever.
Abby, may your spirit rest in peace.
Sorry to hear it, Mike.
reed coverdale
Rest in peace, Abby.
ian crossland
Abby.
tim pool
OMG Puppies says, the Democratic Party controls the media, and that's all that matters.
Aristotle said this 2,400 years ago.
Democracy is ruled by whoever masters rhetoric.
unidentified
Agreed!
Yep.
ian crossland
They have a strong influence over it.
I don't know, not full control, but definitely strong influence.
tim pool
Ryan Spaulding says, the cover art of Megadeth's The System Has Failed album really resonates with current events, and that album was released in the early 2000s.
Do you know that one?
phil labonte
The cover of The System Has Failed?
tim pool
Brian Barwinski says, Ian is grounded and crystal-pilled tonight.
unidentified
20.
ian crossland
Oh, thank you.
tim pool
Oh, very nice, very nice.
ian crossland
I've been holding this ruby as we talk.
phil labonte
A ruby, huh?
tim pool
We gotta give you that charged crystal.
It's just sitting on our counter.
ian crossland
Oh, let's bring it.
tim pool
Yeah, gotta bring it over.
Colton Hyres says, I think it's incredibly stupid to vote for whoever will make your opponents the angriest.
Vote for whoever can bring the most change.
I see that in Vivek and not in Trump anymore.
Don't troll vote.
I like Vivek.
I want to vote for him in the primary.
We'll see, though.
We'll see, though.
I think it's going to go Trump.
But it would be pretty amazing if Trump picks Vivek for VP.
I'm not entirely sure that would happen, though.
What do you guys think?
You think?
ian crossland
He'll probably offer it to him.
tim pool
I feel like Tim Scott Lindsey Graham?
Yeah, not Lindsey Graham, that 80-year-old in the White House.
If he chose Lindsey Graham, he loses.
Hands down.
Because there are people who vote for Trump but don't like Trump, right?
You put Lindsey Graham on the ticket and they're just like, I'm out.
reed coverdale
There's this thing about RFK and Trump uniting and running.
Have you ever heard of that?
tim pool
Yeah, I'd vote for it.
Absolutely.
reed coverdale
Do you think that could happen, or is it ridiculous?
tim pool
I don't think it's... I mean, it is a little ridiculous, but I think it could happen.
You know, Trump is a New York Democrat.
I mean, yeah, I want to say, like, he's conservative by New York standards today.
You know what I mean?
But he's like an old school Democrat.
Right.
And so RFK has got a lot of bad positions and a lot of past positions that are questionable.
But I kind of just want to see insurgent candidates storm the gates.
You know what I mean?
They go in, they walk in and it's like, we're in charge now.
You're fired.
Sign this bill.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Man, we gotta have something going on.
14all says Elon did hand over Trump's account to the government in the end though.
This is only being half-reported.
Yes, that is true.
So the question is, was it Elon trying to obstruct?
Was he strong-armed?
Let's see, defect says, what do you think about the Department of Education?
I just found out their annual budget is $270 billion, more than 10 times that of NASA.
It doesn't seem we are getting the value for the money.
Doesn't seem?
We're literally not.
phil labonte
And also, their budget goes up every year and test scores go down, have gone down every year.
Every single year they have been lower than the previous year since the inception of the Department of Education.
ian crossland
That would be, if you split up, what is it, 270 billion among 50 states, you'd have, what is the math?
I don't know what the math is there.
Six billion, five billion per state, something like that?
That's a lot of money that you could give out to the states directly.
reed coverdale
It's the most important department that we could abolish on a, what's the word I'm looking for?
Not foreign policy, on a domestic level.
phil labonte
Yeah, I agree with that probably.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Nathan Rossman-Bagow says, Vivek, love him and all, cannot win.
None of your guests can even say his name right, and they are politically clued in.
I think that I don't necessarily disagree with that.
The fact that no one can say his name actually matters, because the dude has been speaking a lot.
Now, granted, people are going to read things phonetically.
They're going to say Vivek when his name is Vivek.
But it seems like no matter how many times we've brought it up, no matter how many times it comes up, we've even corrected people on the show and they still won't say his name.
ian crossland
Also, Morrowind, Elder Scrolls III, Vivec's one of the gods, V-I-V-E-C.
It's spelled a little different, so Vivec is in the consciousness already, but it's Vivec.
tim pool
But we've had guests where we'll be like, it's Vivec, like cake.
And they'll go, oh, okay.
And then 20 minutes later, they're like, well, Vivec is saying... Vivec.
ian crossland
Some people will be like, I don't know, he's relatively new into the social consciousness.
And he may not win this time.
I'm not, I don't know.
I want to manifest his victory, but at the same time, he might just win in 2028.
reed coverdale
There's a reason all his yard signs say truth, not his name on them.
phil labonte
Oh, wild.
reed coverdale
Yeah.
At least in New Hampshire, that's what they all say.
phil labonte
Really?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Dom G says, the Fourth Amendment is not limited to your home.
It includes your person, houses, papers, and effects.
Looking through my messages is like looking through my mail.
Ian Rowland, Zeroes.
ian crossland
Looking into my eyeballs is like looking into my mind, man.
Get out of it.
No, come on, dude.
tim pool
But that's true.
The Fourth Amendment does... He's right.
If you have a stack of papers in your office laying on a desk, the Fourth Amendment protects them from the government walking up and just grabbing them and reading them.
phil labonte
It's extensive.
Historically, the courts have found that it's an extensive protection.
tim pool
Imagine you rent an office.
In a big building.
And you've got paper sitting on your desk.
So the government goes to the building's owner and says, we're gonna go in and take all these private messages because they're actually yours because they're in your building.
And he goes, deal.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Sounds like Patriot Act.
tim pool
Sounds like complete nonsense.
We'll grab some more.
James Dineen says, Ian, what's your favorite flavor of boot?
ian crossland
Oh, straight up leather, dude.
tim pool
You can actually eat leather.
Yeah, I read somewhere that if you're starving, you gotta eat your leather off your shoes.
ian crossland
Chew it up.
phil labonte
It's animal hide.
tim pool
How does it just last forever?
Like, what, bacteria can't eat it, but you can or what?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
We will get some more Super Chats.
What do we have here?
Mr. Howie Howie says, Tim, you mentioned a memorial statue for Roberto Jr.
I'm a professional sculptor.
I'm up for it, in fact.
I just emailed a 3D render of a fun version of RJ I've been working on recently.
Have a look.
Where did you email it?
I will write down your name.
Yeah, we should do this, Mr. Howie Howie.
But I'm just writing Howie squared, so I don't have to write Howie twice.
Yeah, it would be great.
We'll get a little statue of Roberto Jr.
We'll put it by Chicken City.
ian crossland
Like a weather vane?
We should get a weather vane of him.
Just constantly spinning around.
phil labonte
That's actually a good idea.
tim pool
We have to put it way up high, though, if you want to actually, you know, so a little statue is probably, you know.
Redbox says, Phil, why would you judge RFK Jr.
based on his past positions rather than his most recent modified positions that lean more center-right?
phil labonte
Because he held the past positions for longer.
reed coverdale
Judge a man by what he does.
phil labonte
Because he's got history and behavior that shows that he endorses those things.
The most recent stuff could possibly be changing for what is politically expedient, whereas the things that he has said consistently in the past probably reflect his real opinions.
tim pool
So that's that's why. Silence do-betters has only three percent of the American population
participated in the revolution. It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men. Samuel Adams.
reed coverdale
Wow. I feel like it's easier to fight a war back then than it is now,
like with the spread of information and with the amount of porn on the Internet.
Yeah.
tim pool
I disagree.
I think it's easier now than it's ever been.
Offense has become increasingly... One thing we see is that throughout history, offense has increased faster than defense.
Defense is incredibly difficult and always has been.
You get to the point where, you know, when you have clubs and stuff, someone makes a shield.
And you're fairly equal in your defense and offense.
You swing the club, you block it and deflect it with the shield.
You swing with your club, he blocks it.
And then we get bows and arrows.
And now you have high-speed projectile weapons that can penetrate through a shield, hit your arm, hit you in the leg, break through your armor, even rip through plate.
So once they advance between, you know, from chainmail to plate, now you've still got offensive capabilities.
Then you get gunpowder.
Now all of a sudden, armor made no sense.
It's like, the musket ball's gonna rip through whatever you're wearing anyway.
So, you're better off having a light soldier who can carry more and move faster, because we're using muskets.
We do have bulletproof vests, we do have all these things, but the reality of warfare is, today, you have cyber capabilities.
The ability to manipulate hundreds of millions of people overnight, instantly.
Viruses to destroy their economy, and take out their electrical plants, their grid.
In the snap of a finger, the entire grid in the world could be shut down.
I'm sure that every government has a button they could press because they've already hacked and installed viruses on everyone else's machines.
So we don't even need the minute, you know, time frame for the ICBM to launch into the air to shut a city down.
Now they can just click a button and the grid's gone.
reed coverdale
Right, I think, like, war in general is easier to fight, but the likelihood of someone in this country grabbing a rifle and heading to go fight a war, I think that is less, just because of the amount of ease people live with now, the amount of technology that makes their life enjoyable.
tim pool
I mean, back in the day... But that's acting like, you know, people can afford their rent and people can afford food.
reed coverdale
There's an entire... Right, but I think those things have to go before... Like any revolution.
Yeah.
tim pool
Like any civil conflict.
reed coverdale
I think it has to get that miserable before there's any sort of actual big conflict.
tim pool
But then you're not saying anything different, right?
So when people in France were fed, they didn't want a revolution.
And then when the famine came, they wanted a revolution.
reed coverdale
Yeah.
tim pool
The same thing is true for Tunisia and Egypt.
The cost of bread was going up.
That's not...
Every revolution has, to a certain degree, that in common.
Some kind of lack of direct access.
I think it's, what's his name?
The Hierarchy of Needs?
What's that guy's name?
ian crossland
Maslow?
tim pool
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.
When you disrupt these things, people get mad and they'll fight for them.
Food is a critical component.
So for a lot of people who are, you know...
We're very, very fat.
So long as the communists keep people fed, there ain't gonna be a revolution.
Just theirs.
Or there won't be a civil war, just a revolution.
So they gotta make sure everyone's fat and happy, and they'll be like, well, I got food, I ain't gonna fight.
reed coverdale
Yeah.
tim pool
But, but, uh, I will also add, saying that it's harder for people today to pick up, like, a rifle or something, uh, it, there's always organization to these conflicts.
I think anybody who's, like, thinking they're gonna run out and grab a gun is stupid, and they shouldn't do anything like that.
We want to win where the conflict actually occurs.
And today it's a culture war.
We need to win the culture.
We want to win in the legal front.
And I would say it's like saying people are much less likely to pick up a sword today.
It's like, well, that's not the effective means of conflict.
The effective means of conflict today are manipulation of the mind, social media.
reed coverdale
I think people just still think of a generic civil war.
When they hear that term, they think of like North and South or Republicans and Democrats like grabbing their guns and fighting each other.
And I don't think that's accurate.
tim pool
And that's like saying, when you say war, it's like, what, people running around with swords and shields fighting in the streets?
Like, no, no, dude, that was thousands of years ago.
What, you mean like people with guns?
No, dude, that was 100, 200 years ago.
People going online right now, we are being faced with a cultural revolution and it is being actively resisted.
And there are two principal factions at odds over who is, I'm glad to say that it's substantially less violent.
I hope we don't get any violence, but like, this is it.
Are we going to win the cultural battle or end up in prisons?
Let's read some more!
Wait, what is this?
I'm not going to read that because I can't verify it right now.
All right, Tetris says, hey Tim and crew, can I get a shout out?
My wife and I just found out we're expecting our first child.
Ooh, congratulations.
phil labonte
Congrats.
tim pool
Something happened to the Ecuadorian president?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Well, no, not the president.
Someone that was running for president was assassinated.
unidentified
Whoa!
phil labonte
So there's video going around of it.
serge du preez
It happened at like a political rally, I think.
So it's definitely verifiable, I could say.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Josh says, REX, it'll end up being enabled on the app only, not the browser, for security reasons.
The only solution I know that addresses this is CIF, which has quantum-resistant in-browser code signing.
And they always got some way to bypass encryption, man.
They're two steps ahead for a reason.
And they force people to install backdoors because they have guns.
phil labonte
All right, what's this?
tim pool
Tim Brackett says, RIP Roberto Jr.
Really do appreciate it.
Ryan Chrisman says, one of the presidential candidates in Ecuador was assassinated today at a campaign rally.
WTF.
ian crossland
Wow.
The guy's name is Fernando Villavicencio.
tim pool
Dreadnought Trucking LLC says, if somehow either Trump's beat the charges on his own or the Supreme Court gets involved, I am predicting now with 200% confidence that Vivek will be Trump's VP and in 28 it will be Vivek as Prez and Rand Paul as VP.
Those are bold predictions!
I think you can take those odds up in Vegas, and if you get it right, you'll be a millionaire.
Sean Kennelly says... Kennelly?
Kennelly?
Long live Roberto Jr.
He and your constant talk about roosters was the inspiration for my business name, Roosters Property Maintenance.
My tagline, reliable as the rooster.
Tim, just keep being Tim.
All of the cast castle rocks.
Vivek 2024.
I like Vivek, man.
He's a good dude.
Yeah, Roberto's returned.
He's got, Roberto Jr.' 's got brothers, you know?
But none of them are Roberto, you know, are Roberto-esque.
So we gotta figure out who's gonna take the mantle of Roberto III.
I need to figure out how many sons he's had.
We think he has a couple.
And so one of them's gonna have to be Roberto III.
ian crossland
Yeah, they would do that in the Middle Ages, too, if someone would just take a new name as, like, the seventh or something, you know, the Scottish king would be coming.
tim pool
Yeah, people still do that.
Isn't James O'Keeffe the third?
ian crossland
He is.
phil labonte
I think so, yeah.
ian crossland
Jimmy.
tim pool
There's three of them.
That's a good amount.
Third one was the best one, apparently.
I'm sure the other ones were good, too, but this current one is a good James O'Keeffe.
ian crossland
Yeah, James II looks legit.
tim pool
James II was probably good.
He made James III.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
James III is pretty based.
Paul Tascalo says, Tim, I'm a 38-year-old lawyer.
I feel a call to use my skills for good.
I'd love to contribute to the show, plus share my stories, experience with classified docs, FISA warrants, national security, presidential pardons, Obama, and nuclear weapons.
Well, all right.
Sure, I guess.
I don't know how.
You can reach out through our emails or whatever.
I always just tell people to message Ian.
He's on Twitter.
ian crossland
Good luck.
What do you need to do?
You want to get in touch with Tim Cantrell?
Is there a jobs email or anything where people submit for jobs?
tim pool
On the Discord, I think we have that?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
On the members Discord, we have that stuff.
Diego Rivera says, Reed, can you explain how Defend the Guard uses radical decentralization to rein in the war party?
reed coverdale
Yeah, so Defend the Guard is a state-by-state legislation that makes it impossible for the president to send troops overseas unless there has been a declaration of war.
We have not declared war since World War II, but of course we've been to Vietnam, you know, Afghanistan, Iraq.
phil labonte
Korea.
reed coverdale
Everywhere.
Korea.
phil labonte
Panama.
reed coverdale
So, actually during Hurricane Katrina, I think 60% of Louisiana's National Guard was in Iraq.
Um, just to show you, like, how many National Guardsmen end up over there.
So, this would be passed state by state, and every state that passes it would disallow the government from sending National Guard troops unless Congress passes a declaration of war, which is a 60% majority, which is pretty hard to do.
And also, if a congressman is actually signing his name behind a war, you know, that takes a little bit of selling to the public and a little bit of responsibility, so it's a lot harder to happen than The president just deciding to send people somewhere for some military operation.
It hasn't passed in any state yet, but it passed, I think, the Senate in Arizona.
And, uh, I forget what other state it passed.
One of the legislative branches.
Um, and it's picking up steam.
So check it out.
Uh, you can support it in your own state.
It's the most important anti-war legislation on the books right now.
ian crossland
Is there a website for it?
reed coverdale
Yeah, I think it's bringourtroopshome.com, Defend the Guard.
phil labonte
You probably just Google Defend the Guard.
reed coverdale
I think it's on here.
Yeah, just Google Defend the Guard, you'll find it.
tim pool
Jadrick Penifer says, I've got the solution.
What does the crew think?
Trump is president, being our monster.
RFK Jr.' 's attorney general.
Trump hates them all.
RFK has proven he's willing to go after them.
Plus, Vivek, as Secretary of State, has countered WEF fighting the fight abroad.
phil labonte
Is RFK even a lawyer?
tim pool
Isn't that what he was?
phil labonte
I have no idea.
reed coverdale
Yeah, wasn't he like fighting for people who were having coal sludge dumped in their rivers or something like that back in the day?
tim pool
Yeah, he's a lawyer.
unidentified
He's an environmental lawyer.
tim pool
I love this.
You go to his Wikipedia, it says, he's an American environmental lawyer, politician, and writer known for advocating anti-vaccine misinformation.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
Of course.
It was so, Wikipedia was so, like, potentially awesome.
I mean, it's still, I guess, is if you could get a hold of the code.
phil labonte
It depends.
No, it depends on the topic.
Like, if you're going to something that doesn't really get touched by politics, or that's somewhat insulated from politics, it's pretty good.
If you go to things that can be touched by politics, it's getting really bad.
Science.
And it's continuing to get bad.
Science?
Are you talking about, like, biology?
Nobody even knows what a man or a woman is on Wikipedia anymore.
tim pool
I just realized something.
I know what the first thing Roberto's gonna do once we let him out his little house in Chicken City.
phil labonte
What's that?
tim pool
You know what he's gonna do.
ian crossland
Going right for her.
tim pool
He's going right for her.
phil labonte
Probably.
tim pool
Roberto's been at Cocktown for the past, like, something like a year.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Roberto Jr., he took over, you know?
He was in charge of all the ladies.
Roberto hasn't seen a woman in some time.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, so, you know, we had to send him off because we don't want him, you know, mixing it with his kids.
Because roosters don't think twice about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, so.
But he's gonna come out.
He hasn't seen the lady in a long time.
ian crossland
Wow.
Get it on camera.
tim pool
It's gonna be on camera at Chicken City.
The wonders of the birds and the bees for everyone to watch live.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
ian crossland
Well, looks like we've got defendtheguard.us for Bill and bringourtroopshome.us for the org.
unidentified
There you go.
ian crossland
I think that's where it is.
Diego Rivera said that.
Thank you.
tim pool
Jason Dobson says, why would you trust somebody as president who previously headed a pharmaceutical company?
More power to big pharma is a scary thing.
ian crossland
Well, I don't trust him because of it, but I like his experience within the organization itself.
He knows how to disassemble the thing.
tim pool
But I don't immediately think all pharmaceutical companies are bad.
Right?
You know, like, I don't like the big ones, but there are smaller ones, too.
The question is, what did his company do, and did they do bad things?
If they did bad things, then he should be criticized and challenged on his bad things.
But, uh, I don't know.
Maybe we should dig into that.
ian crossland
He knows a lot about loopholes that the pharmaceutical companies use, and was talking about them on the Patrick Bet-David Town Hall.
It was really, really a great town hall from last week.
Check it out.
serge du preez
And like they said themselves previously headed a pharmaceutical company.
It's not necessarily giving more power to big pharma.
tim pool
And it's not it's not considered a biotech.
It's not considered pharmaceutical.
It's a biotech company.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's biotech.
tim pool
So they do technology and drug development.
ian crossland
He said they brought five drugs to patent, I think.
serge du preez
Yeah.
unidentified
So I guess is that pharmaceutical company?
serge du preez
I wouldn't call it that.
tim pool
They, what does it say?
Technology portfolio includes, blah blah blah, clinical trial data for pharmaceutical development, blah blah blah.
I mean, I think if you have a concern, a legitimate concern, Jason Dobson, I respect and agree with it, you should start looking into the company and see what you find, and then we should talk about it.
You know, he ran a company, what did his company do?
There's criticisms over how Trump ran his company, sure, and then, I think for the most part, I'm not super concerned with the real estate, you know, company and what he was doing, and the left certainly is.
But, uh, you know, what's inherently wrong with making drugs to cure diseases or whatever?
If he was treating symptoms and perpetuating a lot of awful garbage, I think we ask him about it.
serge du preez
Right.
tim pool
Ward Spose says, put the Royal Chicken Family tree on it.
On what?
ian crossland
On the coffee bag?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Well, I guess, yeah, I guess people mostly agree we should keep Rise with Alberto Jr., but I think we'll just write on the back, you know, of all future bags.
ian crossland
A special lineage brand?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Where it shows all their... So the way it works is we pre-order bags.
The bags are printed.
It takes a long time to make.
It takes like a month and a half to make the bags.
So we order a ton of bags.
The coffee is then brewed in short, in small batches and made fresh.
And then packaged and sent off, so it's relatively small batches.
So I think we have like 5,000 bags, empty, ready to be loaded when we start selling more product.
So after this run, which is, there's 5,000 so, you know, you'll probably have some time if you want to buy one, there will no longer be the original bag.
So these bags are first edition bags.
ian crossland
That was unexpectedly, uh, they became very sought after very quickly.
tim pool
Well, maybe not.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe nobody really cares.
ian crossland
Collector's items, you'll call them.
tim pool
That if you want to have an original bag, get them now because we're going to add the Rest in Peace Roberto Jr.
in memoriam on the back of the new ones.
So effectively creating a unique, a unique bag you will never be able to get again.
And I'm really excited for Return of the King.
ian crossland
Roberto's... It's gonna be wild, dude.
tim pool
Return of the King.
We should make a really strong, like, espresso.
serge du preez
Yeah, that'd be dope.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Because he was only removed because of circumstance.
He wasn't ever violent.
He was never angry.
Did he rough him hard?
tim pool
Well, he got... Not like his son.
We had to put him in jail because he was roughing up the girls.
ian crossland
Big Daddy.
Do they ever come back from that?
When they become aggressive, they tone down?
tim pool
Well, the issue is that, you know, their spurs get really big when they get older, and it starts hurting the girls.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Okay.
And trimming the spurs is like abuse to the- Lil Luke's figuring it out.
tim pool
We're really proud of him.
Yeah, alright everybody, we're gonna go to the members only section of the show, portion of the show, so head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, and we're gonna talk about naughty things.
So, not for the kids, it's a bit more wild portion of the show.
But you can submit questions and every night we choose four or five callers to talk to us and our guests.
It's a whole lot of fun.
Best part of the show in my opinion.
So join us at TimCast.com.
Should be up in a few minutes.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Reid, do you want to shout anything out?
reed coverdale
Yeah.
Check out Defend the Guard.
Check out the Free State Project.
And then, I haven't done a show in a while, but you can check out my stuff at Reed Coverdale on Twitter.
I'm with Tower Gang, too.
Is Clint joining the team soon?
Is that a thing that's happening?
unidentified
I hope so.
ian crossland
I don't know.
We've been talking to him about it, but I don't know if anything's on the books yet.
I love having Clint.
reed coverdale
Yeah, no, Clint's a good friend of mine.
We have Tower Gang.
I haven't done that in a while either.
I've just been busy working, but check out my show, The Naturalist Capitalist.
phil labonte
I am Phil Labonte.
The band is All That Remains.
You can check us out on Apple Music, Spotify, what is it, YouTube, Pandora.
We're on there.
Yeah.
Cheers.
ian crossland
Have an excellent rest of your day, guys.
I'm Ian Crosland.
Great to be here, Reid.
Always good to see you, man.
Thanks for the data.
Coming in hot and strong, baby.
Catch you later, man.
serge du preez
And I am Serge.com.
Looking forward to this after show.
Let's get to it, Tim.
tim pool
Alright everybody, thanks for hanging out.
Come hang out with us at TimCast.com.
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