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Aug. 8, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Andy Ngo LOSES In Court, Antifa Lawyer THREATENS Jurors w/Tom Fitton
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tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, we do have some pretty big news stories today, but before we get
started I have a very horrible and sad announcement to make and it breaks my heart to say this.
Earlier today, Roberto Jr.
suffered a heart attack and he died instantly.
And we're all very sad.
Roberto Jr., for those that are familiar, is the rooster that we bred and raised.
He was only just over two years old, and we were kind of shocked by it.
We knew that he may have been a little sick.
We weren't entirely sure if anything was completely wrong with him, but he had been acting a little bit more docile lately, and he was having his feet cleaned.
and he just had a heart attack and died. We attempted to perform, I kid you not, chicken CPR.
We have oxygen. We tried giving him oxygen. Nothing worked.
There seemed to be nothing we can do. And we're all very heartbroken to have to tell you,
everybody, because as you know, we had a 95-foot tall billboard of Roberto Jr. in
in Times Square.
He is the mascot for our coffee brand.
He is on our Rise with Roberto Jr.
breakfast blend.
He is the mascot for the entire coffee brand, and he is on our website as one of our cast members.
And we treated him like the main guy for Chicken City.
He was the main guy.
And it just happened in an instant.
I'm not a foremost expert on chickens, But, you know, we tried everything we could, and there's not much you can do.
Roberto Jr.' 's mom died of cancer, and we knew that when he was born, he may have had some developmental issues, but he seemed like a good dude, and he ended up having a bunch of kids himself, so his name will be carried on by Roberto III, who has yet to been given the title.
But in all seriousness, it is sad.
We liked Roberto Jr.
He was the king of the flock.
And it's a sad report.
So you can support us by going to Casper.com.
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And sorry to everybody who's a fan.
We even have emojis for Roberto Jr.
So that's the unfortunate news.
As for the actual news and moving on to the show, again, rest in peace, Roberto Jr.
You were too young.
Andy, no!
He lost his trial against several alleged Antifa members, alleged because of the trial.
The defense attorney proclaimed that they were Antifa, told the jurors that they would remember their faces, even though the jurors expressed fear that they would be targeted and doxxed by Antifa.
I'm not surprised at the results.
Andy Ngo was mercilessly and brutally attacked on more than one occasion, but this is Portland we're talking about.
Who in a jury would dare stand up to a known terror organization that goes around beating people, especially when you're at a trial where the man they've beaten is saying, please help me, and they're looking at you saying, we won't forget what you've done.
That's apparently what happens in this country.
These people, I mean, are they going to be criminally charged?
What's going to happen?
Even though Andy Ngo lost, several of the defendants have been found in default, so there still may be a net benefit there for Andy Ngo.
He may win in some respect.
We got a bunch of other news, too.
They're convening another grand jury, or I should say the same grand jury is convening in D.C., presumably to go after Giuliani or even bring more charges against Trump.
And this one's massive, ladies and gentlemen.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Tom Fitton.
tom fitton
Good to be with you.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you, sir?
tom fitton
Glad to be back here.
President of Judicial Watch, America's largest and number one Most effective government watchdog group.
We've been around, just celebrated our 29th year.
Wow.
So I've been there 25 years.
tim pool
And for this, they made you testify in front of a grand jury.
tom fitton
That's the thanks I get from the Justice Department.
tim pool
Yeah, so definitely we'll talk about that with the grand jury convening once again in D.C.
It'll be interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So thanks for hanging out.
We got Clint, he's back!
clint russell
I'm back!
Clint Russell, host of Liberty Lockdown, co-host of Tower Gang, Mises Caucus, LP National member, and just thrilled to share the stage with the great Tom Fitton tonight.
tom fitton
Oh, that's nice.
Thanks.
tim pool
Phil is here, of course.
phil labonte
How you doing?
I'm Phil Abate, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
My buddy.
ian crossland
Hey, buddy.
Good to see you, too, Phil.
Hey, everyone.
Ian Crosland.
Happy to be back.
Give me some Fs in chat for the chicken.
I feel bad.
I actually stood with him after he had died.
Was it still him after they died?
Is it still him or is he gone now?
tim pool
He was such a chill dude.
We raised him, so he was super chill around people.
He was never scared.
You could walk into the coop.
He'd just look up at you and walk around because we used to hold him in our hands.
He was born in front of us.
And then we actually raised him indoors, and then he became the king of the coop, displacing his dad, Roberto.
And this was just completely shocking.
When Kim was going to wash his feet, because he's covered in muck, and she's carrying him, he was totally fine.
And then after she was done washing his feet, He just all of a sudden goes, and then died just like that.
ian crossland
That was rough.
tim pool
He wasn't like, it's just, yeah, just completely shocking.
We've had to clean a bunch of the chickens when they get mucky and really, really filthy and they've got stuff stuck to their butts and stuff like that.
ian crossland
You gave them a great life, Kim.
Thank you.
And thank you for doing everything for those chickens that you're doing and all the animals around here.
clint russell
It was beautiful watching them try to resuscitate.
I was like, this is love right here.
tim pool
We have oxygen canisters.
For, like, sports oxygen.
And Kim, you know, put it in his mouth and tried giving him CPR, and we looked online at everything, we just did nothing we could do.
ian crossland
Well, mad love, Roberto Jr.
I'll see you again someday.
Hey, let's get this story started.
tom fitton
Are you gonna have a burial or something?
tim pool
I think we'll figure something out, you know?
His dad's coming back, so fortunately Roberto's still around.
He's got a bunch of brothers, but, you know, Roberto Jr.
was the heir to the throne.
ian crossland
Roberto's gonna come back and be like, you had one job, son.
tim pool
Well, he's got grandkids and Roberto Jr.
has a couple sons.
ian crossland
After Roberto Jr.
had passed away, we had him outside and everyone was standing around like, well, I guess he's gone.
And then all the chickens, I don't know if it was all of them, but a bunch of them came out of the coop and all lined up along the fence.
tim pool
And started squawking.
ian crossland
Yeah.
And the roosters were screaming for like an hour.
unidentified
No, for real.
clint russell
It actually happened.
unidentified
Yeah.
clint russell
I'm totally serious.
I was there.
I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't been there.
tim pool
I saw it happen.
They lined up.
So there's the chicken coop.
And then if you open the door, there's just thin fencing so the chickens can go out in the grass.
And they were doing their thing.
And then at some point, I think one of the chickens realized, I don't know.
I don't know what chickens think.
But they were just doing their thing while we were trying to resuscitate Roberto Jr., and then all of a sudden the chickens started lining up, looking towards where Roberto Jr.
was laying by the patio, and then they started all squawking.
ian crossland
And the roosters were crowing for like a couple hours after that, or at least an hour and a half.
All of them, I think.
I don't know how many are out there, but it was a bunch of different ones were all doing their crows.
tim pool
They were yelling the king has died.
tom fitton
Do they react if another bird is injured?
tim pool
Typically they kill him and eat him.
tom fitton
Oh, so maybe they were hungry.
ian crossland
Like, finally that son of a bitch is gone.
tom fitton
Tastes like chicken.
ian crossland
Junior was rough on the ladies, but he was known for his greatness.
phil labonte
Chickens are not known for their intelligence.
tim pool
Roberto Jr.
is, you know, he had a bent toe when he was born, which is a sign of malnutrition, malnourishment.
Well, his mom, I think he was like one of the first eggs she laid, maybe, so I'm not entirely sure.
But he also had an issue with, he had a respiratory issue he knew about when he would crow.
When he first started lunging the crow, he would pass out.
And so we were worried he had some circulatory problems.
serge du preez
Interesting.
tim pool
So, you know, we did what we could.
But anyway, we had Serge hanging out.
serge du preez
Yeah, rest in peace, my chicken friend.
I apologize for, I guess, not being more of a friend to you.
I didn't know him very well.
But yeah, happy he's in a better place.
Let's hope that.
tim pool
Yeah.
His name will be carried on by his children.
ian crossland
You have an opportunity to get to know the other 50 that are out there.
The unnamed.
The unwashed masses.
tim pool
Well, there's gonna be a Roberto III.
I'm so excited.
Someone's gonna be named his heir.
ian crossland
Dude, I gotta say, Luke is the man.
He looks like a dog.
Like a fluffy... Like one of those Pomeranians.
tim pool
Little Luke is a rooster.
And he's named Little Luke because he's a Polish rooster.
And the Polish roosters have blonde, parted feather hair and big noses.
And so Luke was like, hey, he looks like me.
He's got a blonde hair and a big nose.
And we're like, we're gonna call him Luke.
And he's Polish.
Alright, let's jump into this first story.
We got this from the Post Millennial.
Breaking!
Portland jury finds Antifa militants not liable in Andy Ngo attack.
Defense attorney declares, I am Antifa.
The defendant's attorney told the jurors their faces will be remembered.
I want to show you this tweet.
This is the current state of American politics in these cities.
this morning on his way to court by alleged members of Antifa, the jury told the judge
that they are concerned about being doxed and said that people are trying to find out
who they are.
This is the current state of American politics in these cities.
You have a defense attorney who tells the jurors, I will, here you go, Burroughs told
the jurors that she will remember each one of their faces.
Burroughs not take the time to provide evidence as to why the two defendants should be free from charges, but rather use the time to defend anti-fascism and attack knows credibility as a journalist.
So the trial for those that are not familiar is these alleged Antifa members who had assisted in the brutal attack outside of a hotel.
Had provided support to other individuals who are accused of violently attacking him and one of the individuals admitted to actually physically attacking Andy Ngo on one occasion.
The jury reached a verdict in the case of Andy Ngo versus Rose City Antifa in which they found both defendants John Colin Hacker and Elizabeth Renee Richter not liable in the civil case brought against them.
Now I will say I don't know the full details of how everything was laid out, but I will call out absolutely when you have a defense attorney telling the jurors who are terrified of Antifa that they're going to remember their faces.
ian crossland
Is that during the trial?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
That's got to be juror intimidation.
tom fitton
I thought Antifa was an idea, but it turns out this idea has attorneys.
tim pool
Well, that's the argument they made.
They made that we're not part of an organization.
We are just antifascists.
tom fitton
You know, we had sued, we had tried to get documents about an Antifa member who was, I guess had beaten up someone, and she was a teacher, so we wanted documents about what was going on at the school.
And Antifa intervened, they had lawyers, spent a lot of time fighting, and she got sanctioned for doing this.
And not only is it obviously an organization, But on top of this defense lawyer doing something which is exceedingly improper, I don't understand how...
You know, could have gotten a fair trial here.
You had, remember, they had to clear the courtroom.
The court stopped letting the public in because Antifa was showing up and engaging in violent outbursts.
So, you know, would you, what would you do if you were a juror?
You'd probably think, you know, I got a wife and family.
I got kids at home or whatever.
I'm getting out of here and finding them You know, not guilty or not liable is an easy way out.
clint russell
What do you do in the case where it does appear that there's intentional juror intimidation?
What do you do if a judge isn't doing their job and intervening to defend them?
Like, what happens in that case?
tom fitton
You know, I'm no lawyer, but...
My guess is there could be something you could appeal here, that there was improper, you know, he didn't get a proper trial given the threats of violence directed at the jury, and the disruption of the court, which obstructs justice as well.
It's an interesting case.
It seemed to be a straightforward, you know, assault case.
I'm not quite sure why the jury found the way he did.
clint russell
Is this the same?
tom fitton
You know, there could be, you know, the liability is to...
How the jury had, what the jury had to decide, you know, maybe they made the right decision, but no way was there the appearance of a fair trial here.
ian crossland
I see, so the civil order could have been like, it was a mob, it was chaos, he got attacked in the middle of the chaos, nobody intended for any of it kind of, you know, maybe there was enough distance from the, you know, actual assaults that they could say I wasn't, you know, I wasn't involved directly, and the jury could have bought that.
tom fitton
You know, but that's assuming that the justice was fairly administered in the courtroom and not compromised by the implicit threats of the attorney and the actual threats of the violent outbursts of Antifa members who were showing up in the court that became so severe that the court had to stop the public from gaining access to the courtroom other than, I think, other than media were allowed in.
ian crossland
So when was that?
How far through the trial did they start showing up and disrupting?
tom fitton
I mean, this all occurred within the last week, week, you know, week, seven, eight days, right?
clint russell
That's when I started reading about it, yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's during intimidation also.
phil labonte
Potentially, yeah.
His trial's been going on since, like, at least July 31st, I think, because Katie Daviscourt from Post Millennial is covering it, and it looks like she started on, like, the 31st is when the trial started?
ian crossland
Dude, there's no way I can wrap my head around this.
I mean, I'm getting this from the Post-Millennial, which, full disclosure, Andy Ngo works for.
I think he might be part owner of the company or something, but maybe he's not owner.
It's almost too bizarre.
The prosecuting attorney says to the jury, I'll remember all of your faces.
As if the jury's not going to crap themselves and be like, what do I have to do for her not to come after me later?
What did I do wrong?
tim pool
But it's also the facts of the case.
Andy Ngo being like, here's a video of me being mercilessly beaten in the street on more than one occasion.
Here's a guy who admitted to attacking me in a gym.
I need help.
Then the defense attorney looks at the jurors and says, I'll remember all of your faces.
ian crossland
Oh, the defense attorney.
Yes, yes.
Not the prosecutor.
tim pool
The defense attorney.
Then the jurors are watching these people mercilessly beat innocent people.
And that's not in question!
We watch them do it on camera, and then the jurors are told, we will never forget what you do this day.
The jurors are basically thinking to themselves, I don't have anything to do with this!
But they're cowards.
That's about it.
ian crossland
Cowards.
I'm just like, maybe we need artificial intelligence juries.
I can't take it anymore, this juror tampering crap.
tim pool
Artificial intelligence juries are not going to weigh justice, they're going to weigh... They'll just be hacked?
No, they're going to weigh ease of access.
clint russell
But is it cowardice?
Because if you can't get a fair trial and you're living in Portland, it seems like it would almost be the prudent decision to make to just be like, look, I think that they're probably guilty, but I don't want to have to... It's cowardice.
Well, it's cowardly, but also it's prudent, is it not?
No, it's not.
tim pool
Short-term gains...
You're sacrificing your future, your neighbor's future, your children's future, for what?
A few moments of... I'll put it this way.
Those who would give up essential liberties for freedom, for a small amount of security, deserve neither and will lose both.
clint russell
Yeah.
Well, I think that's fair, but I'm saying if you're in a position where you're already not able to get a fair trial in a case like this, it's kind of just time to leave.
tim pool
I agree.
And there are a lot of people who say, like, I can't leave.
I have kids and I can understand and respect that.
And I respect people saying, I'm going to stay here and try and push back.
clint russell
But if you're on this jury... Yeah, you should still cast the proper vote, I agree.
tim pool
Yeah, don't be a coward.
And then if you're gonna leave anyway, be like, nah, I'm gonna find him liable, I'm gonna get out.
Look at this.
Donald Trump's found liable for a sexual assault 30 years ago in the biggest department store in the country, probably, where nobody saw him.
The most famous guy in New York walks in the building, none of the story makes sense, and these people in New York are like, yeah, screw it, he's liable.
And then Andy Ngo is on camera being chased and beaten by people, and they're like, nah, not these guys.
One of the guys outright said, yeah, I was at a gym.
I poured water on him and hit his phone out of his hand.
And they're like, nah, you're fine.
unidentified
Crazy.
tim pool
But Donald Trump, oh, you gotta get him.
tom fitton
You know, my view is that, was the jury sufficiently protected given the fact that Antifa is a terrorist organization?
tim pool
Apparently they said they were terrorists.
tom fitton
And if Al-Qaeda was in a trial or a terrorist group was in a trial, I think there would be a lot more security and protection for the jury and less tolerance from the court.
But Antifa, we've been told time and time again, is quote anti-fascist and You know, they're doing the Lord's work when in fact, you know, they're communist revolutionaries that kill people and beat them up if they get in the way.
And so I don't see how Andy got a fair trial here.
You know, we can argue about whether the jury should have found guilty, you know, liable or not liable.
But in the end, that result has been compromised and you can't trust the results.
So we'll see what happens.
phil labonte
I don't think you can trust.
I mean, it's difficult for people to trust the courts at all nowadays, I think.
You know, whether it be Andy's situation or the police officer that just got sentenced to whatever, five years or four years in prison for just being on the scene of the George Floyd situation.
Just for being there, he got charged.
clint russell
And I honestly wasn't at all certain that the Rittenhouse case was going to go the right direction.
phil labonte
So, you know, I don't have any faith.
Thankfully, I agree, I don't have any faith either.
There have been a lot, there are so many court cases that have gone the wrong way, like especially in the past, you know, five years or so.
And I think that it's likely that Trump is going to be found guilty on something.
I think with all the stuff that's... He's going to be found guilty on all of it.
Well, I mean, fair enough.
But, you know, so, and they're all real thin charges, so I don't have a whole lot of faith in the judicial system anymore.
clint russell
If he's found guilty on all of them, Tim, do you think we actually see Donald Trump in prison?
tim pool
Yes.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow.
Give me a scenario where Trump is not going to prison.
What do you think, Tom?
tom fitton
Um, I think the odds are significant.
I don't think it's, they're over 50 that he's found guilty and sentenced to prison.
Whether he goes to prison or not, I think that would be pretty extraordinary.
And certainly it's not, I don't think it's going to happen before the election, although up in D.C.
here, I think that judge is angling to get that trial done before the end of the year.
tim pool
So I think it's fair to say it's unprecedented, and perhaps there will be a house arrest circumstance or something to that effect.
He's with Secret Service, he'll be confined to Mar-a-Lago, who knows?
I think that proves it's BS, right?
Anybody who's convicted of trying to overthrow the United States, the United States government, would face very, very extreme and severe charges, like remand at a military detention facility.
Donald Trump is like, you're free to go!
You know, we'll see about it, because all they're trying to do is jam up his chance at re-election.
ian crossland
And they don't want to piss off his followers, because if they did put him in jail without charge or trial, you'd have people on the street breaking stuff at the moment.
clint russell
Well, that's what I'm so concerned about.
I tend to agree with Tim that the prosecution and the conviction, in my opinion, seems more likely than not.
But I can't envision what America and his supporters look like and react with if that transpires, either before or after the election.
I don't know what this country looks like.
ian crossland
You could see Vivek Ramaswamy step in and take the lead and win the presidency and pardon him.
Big ask, yeah.
tom fitton
Or he could win the presidency and pardon himself from jail.
You never know.
tim pool
Joe Biden could theoretically pardon himself on all these accusations against him as well.
ian crossland
Or the next Democrat, if it's Gavin Newsom, he comes in and he wants to be the great unifier, he pardons everybody.
clint russell
Oh, that ain't happening.
ian crossland
He'd piss off so many people.
phil labonte
There is no way.
tim pool
Gavin Newsom will pardon the Democrats and then send the DOJ after every Republican.
ian crossland
Exactly.
But once you become the president, you want the Republicans on your side, even if you're a Democrat.
phil labonte
Do you feel like Joe Biden?
ian crossland
No, he's been terrible at it.
phil labonte
Did you feel like Barack Obama did?
ian crossland
A little bit.
phil labonte
Really?
ian crossland
In the beginning, he seemed to care about everybody, and then at some point, he got partisan.
clint russell
Ian, we're in the conquest stage of empire decline.
I don't think that these people are going to be looking to reach across the aisle.
The days of bipartisanship, I fear, have sailed.
ian crossland
But conquest, as in the United States, is going to take over other countries?
clint russell
No, no, no.
I just mean political conquest, where it's like, we're going to control the you know, the reins, and we're going to beat the hell out
of our opponents. And that's kind of seems what it is. Like, it just ping pongs back and forth,
but it's just about conquest.
tom fitton
Well, I used to not use the term communist too much in discussing the political opposition in
this country. But I mean, there is this rising communist approach. And I don't mean literally
communist, but in the sense that the rules don't matter to us. And if we're in control of the,
you know, the tools of power, we're going to do whatever we want.
tim pool
They're literally communists!
ian crossland
Canada has a communist party.
phil labonte
They are communists, but at the risk of sounding like Jordan Peterson, it's a lot of postmodernism in the way that they approach political dialogue or the way they approach politics.
There's a lot of people that are making criticisms of, what was it, the most recent one?
They it's just very frequently the the left tries to get people to be quote-unquote held to their own standard But they don't have a standard of their own and that's by you know, that's that's because of the fact that they don't fundamentally Believe in liberal principles that like they're they are a counter in light.
They have a counter enlightenment philosophy So like they don't believe that you can reason they don't believe that you can actually even have contact with reality They believe that our perception is too colored by our experiences to ever really know what's
true or real.
So if no one can know what's true or real, then you can never actually engage in dialogue
from a place of honesty.
clint russell
Just a couple weeks ago, there was the RFK censorship hearings, and you had a bunch of
Democrat politicians that were up there, Congress members, I believe, and they were just genuinely
arguing in favor of censorship because they're like, we have to prevent disinformation.
We were looking out for you, this was all good!
And I'm just like, you're liberals?
phil labonte
It's entirely illiberal and it goes completely and totally against every Everybody over 40 years old when they think of a liberal they think of people that are actually liberal that would be like against censorship and want you know government agencies would all like approach the problem looking to have a positive result and I don't think that you can do that so much nowadays and I think that's because the people that are in position in Congress frequently have again a different
Philosophy, a different worldview.
They're not liberals and that matters.
ian crossland
We talked about this last week that Marxism is a path to communism and so is technocracy and I think a lot of people have been twisted by the technocratic nature of reality in the last 20 years with the internet and with social media and with spying that now they're just going the direction towards communism because they think that they cannot govern without it.
It has to be more control and Like Canada has, of their four largest political parties, the Communist Party of Canada is one of the four.
They're built blatantly.
Just because you call your political party the Democratic Party doesn't mean you're not all communist.
You can be communist and call your party whatever you want.
So yes, you can have many communists in government.
tim pool
I want to pull up this story here.
This is from the recount.
Minneapolis judge sentenced Thao Thao, a former police officer who held back bystanders as other officers pinned George Floyd to the ground, to four years and nine months in state prison.
I look at this judge and I see a deeply, deeply evil individual.
This cop, Tao Tao, probably pronouncing his name wrong because there's some nuance to the name, it's T-O-U-T-H-A-O, he's 37 years old, he's a nine-year veteran of the force, he arrives on scene, and all he did was hold back bystanders, and I don't believe he could even see what was going on or knew what was going on.
He's gotten, I think, three years in prison at the federal level, and now just about five more years at the state level.
clint russell
Whoa.
ian crossland
This is it.
tim pool
If you go against the regime, or actually if you accidentally go against them, they just destroy your life.
tom fitton
You know, this racialism, I think of it like this black hole theory of politics and justice and such.
It's like racialism, politics, you know, it's like a black hole, and it distorts everything around it, including the justice system.
And I don't see how, you know, I know how we're all supposed to think about the Floyd verdicts, but I don't see how anyone could look at those Floyd verdicts and think, well, that was justice in the sense that the jury operated honestly and dispassionately without pressure, again, of violence.
And we forget about that part of the scenario.
And just kind of what people understood about Floyd's situation at the time.
and the obvious and the training that the police officers had that they seemingly were trying to
follow. You know, I didn't support the verdict. It was, you know, you don't want to see someone
die necessarily. But certainly in my view, was it it wasn't murder or anything close to it.
clint russell
Here's where I go crazy. This Toutout gentleman, he was basically responsible for
holding back the crowd while these other officers kneeled on him.
And sure, maybe he didn't do everything perfect and maybe ultimately he could have prevented it.
I don't know.
What drives me crazy is that this guy, even though he's not really culpable, I think if you're evaluating this fairly, he's not truly culpable for the passing of George Floyd.
But he's going to do maybe eight years.
But then you have the murderer of Daniel Shaver in Arizona, which if you watch that video, it's one of the most egregious cop killings that has ever transpired in American history, as far as I'm concerned.
And he walks free.
Better than that, he also gets a pension for his psychological damage from doing what he did.
tim pool
This is the guy who was told to crawl on the ground?
clint russell
Yes.
phil labonte
Yep.
clint russell
Simon says execution.
tom fitton
Yeah.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know much about that.
When did this happen?
tim pool
There was a guy in a hotel room, and he had a pellet gun because he was a pest exterminator.
Someone called into the police and said they saw someone with a gun, so these cops show up, scream at him with rifles pointed, saying, on the ground, put your hands up, put your hands down, crawl toward me, crawl towards me, now put your hands up, now crawl towards me, now put your hands up.
When the guy's pants start falling down, and he pulls them up, the cop just unloads on him.
phil labonte
He was drunk, he had his shirt off, and he was wearing sweatpants at the time.
He was in a hotel.
And they had him on his knees, and so as he's crawling towards them, with his hands up, his knees are dragging and pulling his pants down, his sweats down, so he goes and he reaches down to pull them up, and... While crying.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And the couch unloads on him.
phil labonte
Terrified.
clint russell
He was horrified.
ian crossland
Yeah.
This George Floyd thing, I think it's another example of how technocracy is leading us to communism, because what happens is the media chooses what clips get shared over and over and over again, and what can't be shared— I tried to talk about the fentanyl— The media?
tim pool
You mean social media algorithms?
ian crossland
Yeah, meta, for instance.
Censored my post trying to talk about the fentanyl in his system.
The guy was doing an eight ball or what a speedball rules It takes behind the wheel of a car So like the media that got pushed out was the few minutes that he can't breathe I can't breathe.
I can't breathe people go crazy And then the the cops the job of the law enforcement is like protect the peace.
They don't care about who's guilty or sent They don't want riots.
tim pool
Yeah, so they yep This tau-tau is going to prison because they just want to avoid more social breakdown.
That means, understand this, if you live in a city like Minneapolis, if you live in a city like Portland or Seattle, and you are a victim of violent crime from the likes of a far-left extremist or even just a run-of-the-mill criminal, You could be the victim, and there is no out for you.
You fight back, you go to jail.
You try and stop the criminals, you go to jail just like the guys in the Ahmaud Arbery case.
You cower in the corner of your house as people scream outside, the cops go into your home, and they arrest you.
That's what we've been seeing happen.
tom fitton
And, of course, it's the black community in Minneapolis who suffer the most here, because the police have been decimated there.
They have virtually no protection from the police anymore.
And so, you know, now we're veering towards anarchy in our major cities as a result of the soft on crime policies resulting, or not resulting from, where the Floyd killing was used as an excuse to advance this radical agenda decriminalization of everything. They don't believe in
putting anyone in prison for any reason. You know, it's not that they just
don't oppose the death penalty. They don't want anyone in jail and when you think
the whole system's corrupt, all jails are corrupt and no one should go to them.
This is a radical approach that's getting people killed right now as
we speak.
clint russell
Well, one minor clarification.
It really is specifically, dictionary definition, anarcho-tyranny, because not only are they not enforcing violent crime laws, but they also disarm the people, so they can't even defend themselves.
So on both ends of it, you're basically just...
ian crossland
The criminals destabilize the system and keep people in a state of constant fear and chaos, unable to take any actions against the power structure.
violating another class, and then the other class decides to fight back. Now you've got two classes of villains and
you can arrest them all.
tim pool
The criminals destabilize the system and keep people in a state of constant fear and chaos, unable to take any
actions against the power structure.
So long as there are people at the bottom fighting each other, the people in power are protected.
ian crossland
Right, because we need grassroots movements to control the top. That's the whole point of the United States, is the
people control the government.
If the people are fighting each other, they're not going to be able to rein in that power structure.
I'm just concerned that what Clint was saying, that the ship has sailed and the empire is now in the conquest stage.
tim pool
I think like throughout history, What we have seen, and what we've seen in our media depicting potentialities of revolution, I'm reminded of the scene from V for Vendetta, where the inspector is narrating, he says, eventually someone does something stupid.
It then shows the police officer, the finger man, shoot the little girl wearing the mask, and then all the locals just surround him with baseball bats, pipes, and crowbars, and then the camera pans up and the assumption is they beat him to death.
When you get to a point where police officers are going to prison for literally doing nothing.
When you've got stories of people who on January 6th were walking around confused.
I learned this story just recently of a woman who I met and she said that it was a few hours after the Capitol had been breached they were walking around D.C.
and they walked to the Capitol with nothing going on.
There's no people.
There's like people walking around.
There's no cops.
There's no barricades.
No one's saying anything.
They walked up looking around and then left.
Four misdemeanor charges.
ian crossland
We should have her on the show.
tim pool
A year and a half in jail.
ian crossland
I was thinking we should have her on the show.
I don't know how prudent it is to have someone on the show that's facing January 6th charges, but that story needs to be told.
tim pool
And interview, perhaps.
But the question is, at what point do regular people say, there isn't a justice system?
ian crossland
I'm getting there.
tim pool
And I want to clarify this.
The reason why the Founding Fathers thought innocent until proven guilty was so important was not because they like you.
Partly because they like you and they're good Christians, God-fearing people who believed in individuality and rights, but no, no, no, no.
There was something greater the Founding Fathers talked about.
If people believe that if no matter what they do, the government will punish or imprison them, then they have no incentive to be law-abiding citizens.
If a criminal is treated all the same as an innocent person, then screw it.
But if the system says, we protect you if you're innocent, then there is every incentive for the individual to be an innocent person, knowing that we'll fight on your behalf.
But that's changing now, with what this judge has done.
With what they're doing in January 6th, they are telling the people, no matter what you do, we will punish you.
No matter if you're innocent, confused, ignorant, or otherwise.
If you're at your house in Milwaukee, and BLM shows up screaming and threatening you, a group that had previously set fire to a house twice.
The cops will come into your home and arrest you.
That actually happened.
Fair point.
The guy living in the house brandished a shotgun through the window.
Not out the window, but up to the glass of his window.
He showed the people protesting he was armed.
So the police came, went into his house and arrested him, and the BLM activists cheered for it.
These are people who had previously been in a house that they set on fire twice.
phil labonte
The guy that got arrested, his house was set on fire?
tim pool
No, no, no.
BLM affiliated activists, essentially formed a mob, showed up to a house where they believed two girls had been illegally held.
It was not true.
They set fire to the house.
The fire department puts the fire out.
They leave.
The mob sets fire again.
Fire department puts the fire out.
That same group, similar group organized by similar people, show up to the house of a guy who had criticized Black Lives Matter, screaming and protesting in front of his home.
In front of his window, he brandishes a shotgun.
In his own house.
They call the police that he brandished a weapon.
The cops walk up to his house and arrest him from in his own home.
It is easier to arrest you, the target of the mob, than it is to deal with a riot.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
I was watching these comments, some of them.
And, you know, when we talk about this stuff, this is the black pill.
I can take it.
I don't necessarily get black-pilled.
I can handle a little bit of it.
I'm like, I'm wargaming this, where does it go?
Revolution?
An upheaval and an overturning of the U.S.
government to something that will never be nearly as good as U.S.
government?
We have it so good right now.
tom fitton
I think our republic is tottering, Ian.
I think, you know, if Trump is jailed and is unable to campaign or effectively has the election turned against him because of this jailing, You know, there's not going to be riots, there's not going to be mass demonstrations, there's just going to be concern, and, you know, the Constitution will have been left behind, we'll be in a post-constitutional system where American citizens who are on the wrong side of the Democratic Party, and this, I don't like to get partisan, but it's true, this is the Democratic Party using the Justice Department to jail their political opponents.
And there are a lot of Americans who aren't going to participate in the system, our political system, if they fear that they're going to get jailed.
I think one of the ugly undersides of the indictment of Trump is Smith's targeting of citizens in the several states who were, best they understood under the law, trying to challenge an election.
And in a way that had been done many times before, that could seemingly comply with federal, state, and constitutional law.
And he suggested they were engaged in criminal conspiracy.
So that's a signal.
Don't challenge any elections that we've won, so to speak.
Otherwise you'll get jailed.
Now some people are going to say no, and they will continue to, but a lot will stay out of the game.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story from the Daily Mail.
We're talking about anarcho-tyranny.
We're talking about the justice system no longer bringing justice.
Innocent people being locked up and the machine being weaponized against... the Democrats weaponizing the system against political opponents.
But here's what I think could actually lead to an actual revolution or civil war.
Moody's cuts credit ratings of 10 U.S.
banks and warns six more could face a similar fate, but Firm insists U.S.
banking system is not broken.
This is disconcerting considering what happened with Silicon Valley Bank and several other banks earlier this year, but we also have this from TimCast.com.
U.S.
credit card debt hits record $1 trillion.
Total U.S.
household debt top $17 trillion as Americans turn to debt to cover living expenses.
Do you know what the one thing, there's a few things that precipitate civil war and revolution.
You know what the simplest is?
The most obvious and simplest catalyst for governmental breakdown?
tom fitton
Inflation would be my guess.
unidentified
No food.
ian crossland
Oh, run out of food, yeah.
tim pool
When people are unable to buy food, we saw it in the Arab Spring, you see it in the French Revolution, it's not absolute, but typically when people struggle to make ends meet, they become angry and desperate, and when they're hungry, nothing else matters.
So right now, maybe it's a little preliminary, we're seeing corporate and governmental collapse.
We're seeing our institutions decay.
We're seeing the judicial system decay.
We're seeing the Democrats weaponize government against their political rivals.
I will say this with absolute certainty that Democrats are cheating in the 2024 election.
And what I mean by that is not that there's fraud or they're doing any weird ballot stuff.
What they're doing is fairly obvious.
They're literally arresting and criminally charging their political opponents.
A fair and honest election is when... They've done it three times already.
That's right.
tom fitton
Four next week.
tim pool
A fair and honest election is when you say, choose me, I'm the best.
Don't choose him, he's bad.
And the other guy says the same thing.
Then people will decide.
That's a fair and honest election.
What they're doing now is saying, we can't win, so lock him up and prevent him and hobble him in any way possible.
That's cheating.
When you take all that into consideration, with the fact that our financial system is whacked out of proportion, there really is a substantial risk with everything going on.
And there have been food shortages, especially with COVID and everything, that if the monetary system faces severe turmoil, people can't find houses to live in, people can't afford to pay rent, people can't afford to buy food, you add that into the mix with all the political turmoil and...
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, not only that, but also there's the concern about inflation and stuff like that, because right now the dollar is only backed by confidence in the government and stuff.
So we really do have a historically volatile situation on our hands.
A couple generations or multiple generations since we've had economic inequality.
clint russell
Oh, of this level?
phil labonte
Yeah, of this level.
And that's something, whether or not a... I mean, I know that people's material poverty has gone down, but if you've got a society where there's significant difference between the highest earners and the lowest earners and stuff, you do get civil unrest and you get unhappy populations.
You've got the changing of the global order when it comes to monetary policy with BRICS and with other people starting to move away from the dollar.
I don't see a whole lot of positive things on the horizon.
clint russell
Let me double down on that real briefly.
tim pool
Sick!
phil labonte
Thanks, man.
clint russell
Yeah, the Federal Reserve held the federal funds rate at a quarter point for approximately a decade since the Great Recession.
They're just like, We're just going to keep it at zero, the zero bound forever.
There'll be no problems from that, right?
And then we're going to print $5 trillion in the year 2020, and we're going to lock down the economy, create supply chain shortages, which also add to the inflationary pressure.
And then in a 12 month period starting in February of 2022, they're gonna start to hike the Fed funds rate
very aggressively, a half point every time they have a meeting.
And they're gonna take it from a quarter point up to approximately five and a half, six,
which then takes the mortgage rates from three and a quarter
and it puts it up to seven and a half, eight.
It also makes it so that all of these T-bills and these short-term debt instruments
that are held on all of these banking institutions, They are now bleeding all over the floor.
That's the whole reason that Moody's is marking them down, by the way.
It is strictly a Federal Reserve-created crisis.
I want to be very clear about that.
This would not be happening.
The American people would not be living off of credit cards and have a trillion dollars of debt if it weren't for inflation.
That's why all of this is happening.
tom fitton
Let me add to that.
This is all politics.
I'm surprised this doesn't happen sooner, because an honest evaluation of the way our banks are regulated, the decider about whether a bank is solvent, is a political appointee in the Biden administration.
And so all these decisions are political.
The Silicon Valley bank, That decision to shut that bank down was a political decision made as a result of lobbying by Democrats.
unidentified
Yes.
tom fitton
And then the bank here on the East Coast that was subsequently shut down… Signature.
Signature.
That bank was perfectly fine, but they didn't like the fact that they were in the business of crypto.
And they told them that, and that's the reason they were shut down.
We knew from the 2008 shutdowns, because we got the documents, Judicial Watch did, they didn't know why they were shutting the banks down.
They just didn't have a systematic way of shutting banks down or doling out financial support for the banks.
It was, well, we want everyone to get the support so no one knows who the big banks
are.
So the good banks should get money and the bad banks should get money and we'll disguise
who the bad banks are by making everyone else take the subsidy.
It was completely political.
Same goes with the Fitch knocking down our credit rating here in the United States.
It's politics.
It's politics.
We've got politicians who have decided that printing money, and politicians of both parties, the best way they can stay in power is to print money.
And they don't care what the consequences are.
It's to buy votes.
Yeah, that's right.
Transferring wealth.
clint russell
Chicken in every pot.
tom fitton
So on top of the increase in, as they were increasing interest rates, they kept the spigot flowing in terms of spending at the government level.
And, you know, there's no sign that it's going to be curtailed.
clint russell
No.
tom fitton
It's not going to be curtailed.
You know, so now we're all supposed to be excited.
They've increased, you know, they've cut down our salaries by four or five percent, practically speaking, our spending power over the last year.
And now we're supposed to be satisfied that we've lost that purchasing power, that the prices have been cemented at a higher level.
They're not getting lower, they're just not getting as high as quickly as they previously did.
So there's no easy way out for this, but there is, other than curtailing government spending.
taking politics out of the regulation of the banking industry,
meaning the government's got to get, you know, spend a little less money trying to effectively
tell everyone that we will insure all deposits as opposed to making sure the banks that make
ian crossland
bad decisions go to weigh the dodo bird. I keep thinking that maybe we could default
on the debt to the Federal Reserve or at least the interest to the Federal Reserve and be like,
you know, suck it. But that's like telling the Swiss bank, the Bank for International Settlements,
suck it. And when then they would they then excommunicate the United States from the liberal
economic order if we did something.
tom fitton
Probably.
It's not that hard.
You just need to change the trajectory just a little bit.
And for small government people it's disappointing, because we can spend a whole lot of money if we just change the trajectory.
Not too much as far as, you know, conservatives would be, but in terms of like social security and government spending, just change the trajectory just a little bit, and it allows the government to spend money virtually world without end forever.
But they don't even want to do that.
clint russell
But what's so frustrating is like literally a 10% cut across the board
and we could balance the budget pretty quickly because they've taken so much in tax receipts.
And it's like, do you think that there's not 10% in excess spending in every federal department?
Like, yeah, I'm sure there is.
Just look at the war in Ukraine.
Look at where all those billions are going.
You think they can't cut 50% of that and still get the same bang for their buck?
It's just an absurdity, but I want to really emphasize to the conservative audience that's listening right now, it's incumbent upon you guys to understand that it is Federal Reserve policy that is making it so challenging to have household formation, to get married, to have kids.
All of these things that you guys consistently lament, you miss the biggest factor.
Is that inflation has forced both parents into the workforce, and it has made it incredibly and increasingly challenging to be a parent, to get married, to buy a home.
All of these things are Federal Reserve policy.
tom fitton
Only the government can do this type of damage.
tim pool
That's a large component of it, but cultural issues, I think.
clint russell
Of course, it's very important too.
ian crossland
It's hand in hand.
tim pool
I think cultural is the bigger issue.
ian crossland
Those central banks, they're all kind of controlling and manipulating the media, which is manipulating the culture, too.
Because why are people not more up in arms about the Federal Reserve?
If they knew, if you knew that that private bank was disrupting your life, you would have taken it back a hundred years ago.
clint russell
I would hope.
tim pool
If we did not ever have the revolution in the workplace, women stayed at home, it wouldn't matter what the Federal Reserve tried to do.
clint russell
Women would not But that coincides with the inception of the Federal Reserve.
1913, you have the Women's Liberation.
They start to hit the workforce.
I think it's all part and parcel of the same dynamic.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
tim pool
But I mean, the cultural change has to happen first.
clint russell
Maybe.
I think one chases the other.
ian crossland
It's like, it's not necessarily a— Yeah, World War I got people really, really culturally messed up right after the Federal Reserve was ready to go.
tom fitton
You've got know-nothing politicians sitting at the knobs trying to manage the economy.
They don't know what they're doing.
And things get out of whack now and again because they don't know what they're doing.
I mean, I remember in 2008, I read in the Wall Street Journal when they first started giving money away to the banks, the banks said to the Wall Street Journal, well, they didn't give us a choice.
I said, well, isn't that interesting?
So we sued, Judicial Watch sued for the records.
Long story short, they said, we got the records.
We want to meet with the top nine banks.
Bring them into the Treasury Department.
And the chief of staff is like, okay, who were the top nine banks?
So they didn't even know who the top nine banks were.
So they bring him in, the heads of the top banks of the United States of America.
And they said to them, we're going to take, we're going to give you subsidy.
And you should know that if you don't want to take it, we're going to make it so that your regulators require you to do so.
And they made them sign little permission forms, two or three lines.
I agree.
I, Jamie Dimon, agree to take $12 billion or whatever.
You know contingent on approval from board of directors.
That's how they quote bailed out the banks and it was never a bailout.
phil labonte
It's a takeover Yeah, if you every time you hear about bailing out banks substitute to word takeover and you understand why we're in the state We are you can watch the big the big short is a movie that is really good that covers this kind of stuff and also too big to fail was another one and Too Big to Fail was kind of the crisis from the government's perspective, and The Big Short was like three or four different groups of people that actually kind of saw the housing crisis coming and what it would do to the whole economy.
Actually, you know better than I do.
You would.
clint russell
Well, yeah.
I mean, I was a mortgage lender, and I came out of college right into the teeth of that, and it was a nightmare.
And fortunately, we've gotten past that.
But there was actually a bailout with Silicon and the other bank that I'm blanking on right now, Signature.
In January of this year, and they created a very similar lending vehicle.
People don't even know about this, but because of what I just described where the Fed funds rate was escalated and they had all of these short-term debt instruments that were ultimately upside down, they created a short-term lending vehicle that was only on offer to banks that had... It was never given explicitly, but based off of my analysis, it was any bank that had over $200 billion in cash on hand or deposits.
Or money under management.
And so basically what that means is that if you are banking with an institution that's midsize or massive, then your deposits north of $250,000 are insured.
If you are banking and depositing with a bank that has less than 200 billion, so that's your mom and pop bank.
Those are the banks that we would probably, us people, would like to do business with.
Now our deposits aren't insured with them.
So what does that mean?
It drives all of us in this room to make the calculation that it's actually more prudent for me to bank with this scumbag Jamie Dimon than it is to bank with this mom and pop down the street.
That is a terrible mismanagement of the economy, and it is not accidental.
It is ultimately the reason that Mercola got debanked, the reason that the entire social credit score system is coming.
They want us in the biggest banks because the biggest banks are willing to debank debank us if we don't go along with it.
tom fitton
That's right.
It's easier to control if you've only got five banks as opposed to 3,000 banks.
What would you rather do as a dumb government regulator who wants to tell everyone to do?
phil labonte
So Clint, then what would you say is the best option for people to stay away from, to continue
to move away from the bigger banks and do your best to stay in credit, like credit unions
and stuff like that?
clint russell
I mean, the issue is if you're a mid-sized business that has more than $250,000 that you'd like to put in a bank, I can't in good conscience tell you to put that into a smaller bank, because if we end up in a crisis period, there's a very good chance that you will have your assets frozen.
You won't be able to receive them.
Now, you can just diversify.
You can put that into other accounts.
But the tragedy is that you have all of these startup companies that are more conservative leaning, that are trying to compete with these Goliaths, and they now have to do business with their enemies, which is the Bank of America, the JPMorgan Chase.
It's just not a good I want to talk about this story from CNN.
tim pool
DC Grand Jury that handed up 2020 election indictment against Trump meets again.
Now there's a lot of speculation that they're going to be meeting again because more indictments are going to be handed down against Donald Trump, but there's also speculation they're now going to go after Giuliani.
And what they refer to as unindicted co-conspirators in Donald Trump's, what do they call it, criminal fraud against the United States?
So it looks like there's a likelihood.
I think it makes more sense they're going to go after those quote-unquote co-conspirators.
What they actually mean is Trump's lawyers, they're going to go after the people who gave Trump legal counsel.
This is indicative of the expansion of the weaponization of government.
Despite the fact that the Republicans are supposedly probing the weaponization of the DOJ, they're just ramping all of this up.
But Tom, I'm wondering what you think about this.
What are they doing?
tom fitton
Well, they're escalating.
There's been no check.
There's been no consequence for this abuse for the Justice Department or the FBI or anyone else involved here.
You have Democrats in Georgia about to indict Trump, it looks like.
You have the Democrats in New York indict Trump.
And what they're trying to do is freeze the Republican Party in the run-up to the election by saying not only is the candidate and the former president, but people around him, the consultant class, your campaign lawyers, activists involved in advising you as to how to handle election disputes, they're subject to being thrown in jail if indeed this is the case that they end up getting indicted.
And I think that's probably going to be true.
You know, I testified to the grand jury back in February.
They sent the FBI knocking on our door, my home, in November.
And, you know, what did the Judicial Watch do?
Well, we were out there publicly talking about how the Mar-a-Lago case was a sham, since they changed their position on presidential records from the Clinton-Soctero case that we had been involved in, and changed it completely to go after Trump.
Came up with new rules.
And so complete retaliation.
And then they spent three hours questioning me about emails and such about presidential electors.
And I told them, I said, well, I don't understand what's going on here.
Democrats challenged and had alternative slates of electors in 1960.
So I guess it's different for Republicans.
tim pool
And Nixon chose to ignore the certified electors.
Instead, he chose the Democrat alternate slate to be counted, and they were counted.
tom fitton
Yeah, yeah.
And on top of that, I told the grand jury, and I had three prosecutors questioning me, so it was a triple team.
I was concerned in the summer of 2020, because I read about it in the New York Times, that Democrats were planning threats of succession and civil war if the Electoral College went towards Trump.
And I said, well, you know, of course, obviously that isn't going to be investigated by this Justice Department.
And what I saw from this grand jury experience that I had was I was in a political argument with these prosecutors about First Amendment protected activity.
And I was just sitting there thinking, why am I being questioned?
This is a political debate.
tim pool
Why did they question you?
Why did they call you in?
tom fitton
It was harassment and retaliation.
Judicial Watch is the number one a litigator against the Justice Department, we criticized
the Justice Department, we sued for records about their abuse of Trump.
They know who we are, they know who I am, and we were the top voice in calling them
out and it drove them crazy.
And of course the big accusation was, well, Trump was listening to Tom Fitton.
It's just all sorts of...
Imagine if the head of the ACLU was called in because of the work he was doing at the
ACLU.
That's what they did to Judicial Watch.
And of course, we don't get the protection and media support that the ACLU gets.
But frankly, our work is more consequential.
That's why the Justice Department was harassing and abusing us.
So what I saw happen at that grand jury was abuse.
And I'll tell you one quick story.
So at one point the prosecutor said to me, so are you going to talk about this to anyone?
What happened here?
I said, I don't know.
I said, it's, you know, I mean, I have to talk to our lawyers, but that's a privilege.
Are you going to talk about this to anyone?
I said, I don't know.
It's publicly out there.
Are you going to talk about this to anyone?
I said, I don't know.
He said, well, oh, by the way, I thought you're allowed to talk about it.
And I said, you know, frankly, given your questions, it was pretty intimidating and chilling.
So this guy was trying to get me to swear under oath to something I didn't have to do, which was to keep quiet on this abuse of power that I was facing.
So I saw this guy was trying to corner me into swearing under oath that I wasn't going to talk.
So that was, in my view, outrageous prosecutorial abuse.
I'm still ticked about it, and I hope the courts take care of it in the end.
I have no surprise that Trump was indicted after what I saw there.
And you know, the grand jury's sitting there.
I don't know.
tim pool
The cultural divide in this country is...
Unsalvageable, as far as I'm concerned.
The judge in DC, right now they're trying to stop Trump from being able to speak during a political campaign, while they use the case against him to campaign?
The only way- You look at this judge in Minnesota, who's sentencing these cops to prison, These leftist judges don't care about what justice means.
They don't care about fairness.
They care about power.
They're not judges.
They're effectively occupying forces placed in these roles for the purpose of destroying anyone who opposes them.
tom fitton
I mean, if the judges were honest, I don't know if honest is the right word.
If I were a judge, I'd say, you know what?
I'm not playing your game.
You're trying to make me interfere in elections.
I'm not going to do it.
Your case is paused.
You come back to me in November or December or January of next year, then we'll talk about what we're going to do.
But in the meantime, we're not going to use my courtroom to litigate the campaign.
And I'm not going to start telling President Trump that he can't defend himself as Jack Smith made a political statement last week talking about how Trump was responsible for the overthrow, the attempted overthrow of the government and all the violence on Capitol Hill for which he wasn't even charged.
Jack Smith!
Should be the one on the dock, if the judges were acting appropriately here.
ian crossland
Because he said it was true, he didn't say allegedly, he just said he did the crime without the prosecutorial due diligence?
tom fitton
Well, I mean, I think that's a charitable way of putting it.
But he came out and suggested that Trump was behind violence and he was promoting the indictment And, you know, as folks who are smarter about this have explained, you know, a prosecutor can't come out and say, you know, read the indictment, that's the truth.
Well, that's not what a prosecutor does.
A prosecutor is supposed to say, read the indictment and all the evidence behind it, both inculpatory, the stuff that makes the guy look bad, and exculpatory.
And so to say anything else is infecting the jury pool.
So there's one man who infected the jury pool, in my view, that hasn't been held accountable, and that's Jack Smith.
And of course, don't even get started on all the leaks!
That have been, I think, fairly attributed to the Justice Department of grand jury material.
tim pool
The problem is for, I think, conservatives and even libertarians to a great degree, post-liberals, whatever this faction is, keep thinking we're playing a game of Monopoly and we got to roll the dice to see if we can get ahead.
Meanwhile, they're just pulling bills out of the bank and doing whatever they want.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like a game of Monopoly where the goal of the game is to be the most popular person in the room.
Doesn't matter if you win the board game.
You can stand up and flip the table and sing a song, and if everyone looks at you and starts clapping, you win.
tim pool
I completely disagree.
That's not even it.
ian crossland
You said the culture bifurcation you were talking about earlier?
unidentified
I agree.
ian crossland
There's no way to but get one of those pieces to win.
You need to create something new that is so dynamically different.
tim pool
What I'm saying is, imagine playing a board game where you keep playing by the rules and your opponent is cheating right in front of you, telling you they're going to cheat, they keep doing it.
And you just keep playing.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Sounds like those aren't really the rules.
tom fitton
Well, in the case of the Republicans on the Hill, they're funding it.
tim pool
Yeah.
tom fitton
I mean, there's not a thing the Justice Department's doing that I'm complaining about that isn't getting funding plus by the Republican House leadership.
And so they have a decision over the next few months whether they're going to defund Jack Smith.
tim pool
They're not.
tom fitton
Defund the censorship.
They won't.
But don't let anyone tell you they can't do anything about what is going on with the attack on Trump.
So Trump is going to get jailed.
I think.
Potentially.
There's a good chance that happens.
Americans are being censored.
All this other abuse is taking place with the full funding by Republicans.
And they are saying, well, maybe legislation next year.
But right now we're being hurt.
And they could shut it down tomorrow.
But they're on vacation.
It's a seven week.
They're in the middle of a seven week vacation.
ian crossland
That is unconscionable for the American government to vacate for seven weeks at a time when you have the internet.
You guys get back to work.
What in the hell?
Clint, you're about to say something awesome.
clint russell
No, I was just gonna say, you know, I don't actually get that upset with Jack Smith.
Jack Smith is a hitman for the regime.
That dude's doing his job.
What I'm upset with are the conservatives that have had an entire session in which they could have defanged and defunded so much of this nonsense, and they opted not to.
Where are they?
tom fitton
They don't even want to impeach Biden.
There's not enough evidence.
I mean, it's like MSNBC is running the Republican House caucus in terms of their fearfulness in proceeding with the impeachment inquiry against Biden.
ian crossland
What would be the process if the Republicans were to defund this process?
What would that look like?
Who would say what?
How would it move forward?
tom fitton
You would say the Justice Department can't spend any money prosecuting any presidential candidate.
could name the person prior to whatever date.
There are scribes on the hill that write the language out to prevent the funding of Jack
Smith.
They can actually defund people by name, so anyone who's been listed in terms of censoring
Americans, they can be defunded.
And believe me, I've been raising this since Republicans came into power.
phil labonte
Congress can do this without the Senate, without the President.
They can just do this on their own, correct?
tom fitton
The House has to be willing to go to the mat on this.
And and by going to the mat is the Republicans aren't the Senate isn't going to want to buy into this Yeah, but they need the support of the house in order to keep the government funded and so there's going to be a fight and probably the fall over whether to continue funding of the government because they won't get all the Appropriations bills out and there'll be one gargantuan bill that has to be voted on in order to keep the government operating and For either a month or whatever period they agree and only with the acquiescence of the house would that happen?
And so in order to get that acquiescence they could say this is what we want And if they're not willing to say that that just tells you where they stand on on these on this crisis We're facing this isn't a political debate when you're trying to jail a former president and the current candidate you're You're kind of, you know, you're leaving the Constitution behind, practically speaking.
And the test here is, you know, it wasn't like Trump did something like, oh, he robbed the bank.
You know, we don't know what the law is there.
Here, they have these novel applications of the law.
Not only in New York, but in both cases against him in the federal government, certainly down in Georgia.
And that tells you that they had him, they targeted him, and they tried to figure out how to jail him, you know, because they had picked him as a target.
ian crossland
The document shit was the worst, dude, because Biden had documents, too.
Like, let it alone.
tim pool
Hillary Clinton had documents.
clint russell
Well, and then also Russian collusion, and then I think it was actually today or yesterday that you have the FBI agent that's now getting prosecuted for Russian collusion.
unidentified
Yes!
clint russell
And he was the one that lied to get the investigation started on Trump in the first place.
unidentified
Unreal.
clint russell
It's like everything they do, James Lindsay, iron lawful projection.
ian crossland
Yeah, did you see?
phil labonte
It's incredible.
ian crossland
There was a tweet from, like, was it the Secretary of State?
No, I was just like, is this satire?
They were like, we condemn the Russian behavior of silencing the opponent political candidate.
tim pool
Oh, right, right.
Was that Blinken?
ian crossland
It was.
And I was like, is this satire?
Because this is what they're doing to Donald Trump right now.
It's the exact same thing.
tom fitton
What an embarrassment.
I mean, because, you know, Putin and Xi look at us, and they must say, Who are they kidding?
America's different.
And they pretend they're different.
Putin recognizes what's going on with Trump.
Xi recognizes what's going on with Trump.
But, you know, the idiot class that runs DC, they pretend there's a serious crime that's being charged here.
Everyone else sees, well, the guy's arrested his political opponent.
What else do you need?
clint russell
Well, and this is what Putin gets dragged through the mud for, is exactly what's transpiring in America right now, which is going after your political opponents and jailing people for speech and reporting and all these other things.
It's like, everything we blame Russia for, we're guilty of, if not worse.
It's incredible.
tom fitton
And Biden can shut it down.
He's the President of the United States.
And if he was honest and ethical, he said, you know what, guys, I don't care what crimes you've come up with.
I'm not arresting my opponent.
We're not prosecuting him.
No.
clint russell
Yeah.
tom fitton
And he's constitutionally enabled to do that, but instead we found out on the documents case that Biden White House intervened at key times to keep the case going against Trump and harassing him.
So, but when it comes to this arrest of Trump now twice by his administration, Biden is ultimately responsible.
clint russell
Well, and just a quick reminder, the second impeachment of Trump, when he was the president, was about the phone call to Ukraine, where he was trying to dig up this dirt, which we now have pretty damn good evidence was all true!
tom fitton
Yeah, yeah.
clint russell
Charisma!
Hunter!
tim pool
So it was Blinken.
I got the tweet here, it says, the U.S.
strongly condemns Russia's conviction of opposition leader Alexei Navalny.
clint russell
Incredible.
tim pool
On politically motivated charges, the Kremlin cannot silence the truth.
Navalny should be released.
ian crossland
I was going to retweet that and be like, is this satire?
But I'm like, I don't want to be on their list.
I'm already in that mindset where it's like, this is the enemy government.
phil labonte
You're on the list.
ian crossland
You're already on the list.
Obviously, I thought it was satire.
I was like, I knew it wasn't.
unidentified
I knew it was really political bullshit, but it was like, this is so ridiculous.
ian crossland
This is what they're doing.
I want to read that again.
I got to see this from his political perspective.
tom fitton
Well, I condemn the political charges against President Trump, and Biden should remove them as soon as possible.
ian crossland
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
It would do everything good for him if he did that.
tom fitton
And I think Republicans are failing here.
I know there's a contested primary.
I understand that, you know, don't get in the way of a politician and his quest for higher office.
But to me, the principal position for any candidate would be, you know, I want to be president, but I don't want the President Trump to be abused and I stand against this.
clint russell
Oh yeah, do you want to rule over the ashes of America?
Like is that really, is that a win?
tom fitton
No, I, you know, and unfortunately not too many candidates have said that.
tim pool
I fixed this tweet for you guys.
ian crossland
Oh nice.
tim pool
I fixed it. So now it reads, The United States strongly condemns Biden's charges against
opposition leader Donald Trump on politically motivated charges.
The White House cannot silence the truth.
Trump's charges should be dropped.
Now, this is fake, by the way.
What I did was I just right-clicked it and hit inspect and then went into the... I tweeted that out.
ian crossland
Condemns the conviction of opposition leader on politically motivated charges.
Fuckin' Secretary of State tweeted that out.
tom fitton
That's blinking.
I have to tell everyone, it's the First Amendment, obviously, free speech, free association, but the big aspect of the First Amendment that's being attacked here is you have a right to petition your government again.
And you should be able to criticize a government leader and ask the vice president, hey, what can you do to stop this election malfeasance?
And it's not a crime to do it.
And that's what they're telling us now.
It's a crime if you ask the government the wrong question or make the wrong request.
ian crossland
No, we're supposed to.
That's the purpose of this country.
tom fitton
That's exactly right.
ian crossland
The egos of this nation is to alter the government.
clint russell
But consider that you were concerned about quote-tweeting Anthony Blinken.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like I don't want to get involved.
clint russell
No, but I get it.
That's my point, though, is like, you're right to be concerned because we already know that they're monitoring our media.
tom fitton
Look, I was reading my tweets to the grand jury quite happily because I thought they were great tweets, but it was outrageous that I was being harassed before a federal grand jury about my tweets about what the Justice Department was doing.
tim pool
I want to point something out.
I think my brother pointed that out to me.
Anthony Blinken.
All right.
What's his first initial?
clint russell
Yeah, it's his last name.
Blinken.
tim pool
Now say that.
clint russell
A Blinken.
ian crossland
A Blinken.
It's not an accent.
tim pool
A Blinken tweeted.
clint russell
Well, interesting.
A Blinken is going to lead us into a second Civil War.
Fascinating.
ian crossland
That's funny.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on, we got news, we got news.
From the New York Post, McCarthy demands Biden give us his bank statements as impeachment probe looms.
Okay, so we can get a little worked up, I guess, and be like, oh, look, he's going after Biden's bank statements.
tom fitton
But I just want to point out- Why is he only asking now for them?
tim pool
Well, it's because he's dropping grains of sand every week, where it's like, oh, if Joe Biden, if we find out that he's a little bit more corrupt than we already know he is, we might actually ask each other whether or not we should ask the government for the authority to ask for bank statements to maybe question an impeachment.
unidentified
The old phrase is boob bait for the bubbas.
tom fitton
That's what that is.
ian crossland
Yeah, what is that?
tom fitton
McCarthy's not going to do anything.
As Tim was pointing out, give just a little bit to keep your base excited and motivated, but not do enough.
And I largely agree with Democrat critiques of Republican concerns about corruption, that a lot of it is political.
They kind of want to use it to get some votes now and again, keep the other side on their heels.
But when it comes to accountability, they're fearful of it and they don't want to do it.
And so here, the danger here is, for McCarthy and Republicans, is that they just keep stringing this along.
Everyone's going to see this as political.
You know, stop, you know, fish or cut bait, guys.
We don't need another hearing.
We don't need another report.
We don't need another email release.
Judicial Watch can write reports.
We release emails.
What does Congress do?
They can defund.
They can make criminal referrals.
They can impeach.
McCarthy had any guts.
What he'd do right now is he'd say, all these committees investigating, you know, the House Oversight Committee, the Weaponization Committee, Judiciary Committee, the Homeland Security Committee, you're all part of the impeachment inquiry.
Okay, and now we're all gearing towards impeachment.
We're going to figure out who to impeach from, you know, lower-level officials, you know, like Meyer Orkus, all the way up to the President of the United States.
Just do it!
clint russell
That sounds glorious.
ian crossland
You think that they don't have- They're not going to do any of that.
clint russell
I know, but it still sounds glorious.
tom fitton
Well, they might as someone- you know, I tell you, my understanding is House members are getting a lot of pushback on their failure to do what Folks like Tom Fitton are suggesting.
And so it's not like we're speaking into the wind here.
There are many, many Republicans and conservatives in the base of the Republican Party and more than a few honest Democrats want something done about Biden corruption, and they're tired of this What we're seeing here, give us the, you know, engaging in performance fighting isn't going to satisfy, you know, we've been through this before time and time again.
clint russell
Is it donor driven?
Is that why they don't want to go to the mat on this?
That they would lose, there must be corporate interests that make them not want to go this route?
Because I don't understand it otherwise, because like their base would be jumping for joy.
They would be reelected in a landslide.
phil labonte
They want to wait.
tim pool
They want to wait until an election.
tom fitton
Well, you know, I don't want to say that there's no political downside to doing this.
And, you know, I would admit there might be.
Yeah.
But, I mean, do they have a choice?
I mean, can you not not impeach Biden at this point?
I don't see how you not do it.
ian crossland
Maybe they're looking for, like, golden evidence before they push forward.
Because if they want his bank statements, they're looking for connections to Burisma and Hunter.
And then maybe that'll be the hammer.
tom fitton
They didn't ask for the bank statements.
You know, they spent the last six months, and I think there was some smart activity there in that regard.
Let's get to a fight with Hunter and Joe for his bank statements.
We can get all these other bank statements pretty easily.
And that's what they did.
And so now, it's now August, they're all on vacation, and they're talking about, well, maybe we'll start asking for Hunter Biden or, I don't know, I'm assuming Joe Biden's bank statements.
I mean, I don't know what Joe Biden's bank statements are going to show.
My guess is, you know, who's paying his contractor fees up in Delaware?
I mean, he doesn't pay any bills.
Hunter was paying all the bills.
They've got to do more than bank statements.
clint russell
Hunter is the bag man.
I want everyone to understand that.
The money was being funneled through these corrupt business cutouts.
Into Hunter's bank accounts, but then Hunter was responsible for taking care of all of the expenditures for the entire Biden family.
That's the whole way they circumvented this, folks.
It's pretty obvious at this point if you've paid any attention at all.
That's what they did.
Biden doesn't ever touch the money.
That's how he gets away with it.
tom fitton
There's a crisis for the political system here in Washington, D.C., because they've known Biden's been corrupt since he's a senator.
He's been in Washington 50 years.
This is not a surprise to folks who serve with him and people around him.
And the problem the political system has is now half the country believe him to be corrupt, too.
So now they don't know what to do about it.
Hence McCarthy's confusion about whether to support or not support an impeachment inquiry.
ian crossland
And like if they ripped it open and he was super corrupt and then got impeached and had to step down, we'd have Kamala Harris as president.
And like, is that, are we even better off?
Is that going through people's heads?
tom fitton
Yeah.
If it's just, if that's, you know, justice results, if that's what justice results in, you know, that's the reality of it.
And I mean, just think about an impeachment inquiry.
I mean, they're not, you know, They're still presuming to say that, well, we don't know if we're going to impeach him or not.
I mean, come on, guys.
ian crossland
Because justice, it's like, when do you put the brakes on justice?
You know, you could rip it open on Kamala Harris's bank records next.
You could go into Willie Brown next.
You could go into her old text message.
How deep do you want to go to take out every new leader that steps in because of some dumb corruption scandal?
clint russell
But it's not dumb, though.
I want to be very clear.
This is not dumb.
There's a really good chance that Russia doesn't invade if it's not for Biden's relationship with Burisma and the leadership, not to mention the State Department coup, not to mention Victoria Nuland.
There's a whole bunch of back history here that, yes, there's minor, seemingly millions of dollars worth of corruption in terms of what they profited, but what does it mean in terms of the outcome for geopolitical dynamics?
We could end up in World War III because we were led by a corrupt president during this period.
tom fitton
Yeah, because you're telling Russia and China, if you compromise our president, we're going to remove him from office, or move to remove him.
I mean, Burisma was a Russia-leading government entity.
What I loved about that 1023, that FBI form that described Uh, the head of Burisma's bribe scheme for the Bidens.
So the FBI source goes and says, you know, we had the meeting and it was all in Russian.
So Burisma was, you know, so between Russia, uh, giving them money through the oligarch's wife, that was further confirmed last week.
ian crossland
Who's that?
What's the wife's name?
tim pool
Maria, what's her face?
clint russell
It was the mayor of Moscow's ex-wife, I believe.
tom fitton
Yeah, yeah.
So it was like three, you know, Devon Archer essentially confirmed they sent millions of dollars to their companies, all of which they shared.
And then Burisma, you have FBI evidence, they gave $10 million to the Bidens.
And so if you're Putin, to your point, Clint, Well, you're thinking, well, you know, I'm not going to invade Ukraine because Biden's on the tank, and I know he is, because we compromised him.
But certainly that would be a factor, don't you think?
That the country's not stable.
Well, D.C., you know, Biden is compromised.
He can be talked to, you know, he knows we know about him.
We had documents where during the Obama administration, the Ukrainian ambassador was getting an email from her person just before Biden went to Ukraine in January of 2021, just before Trump came in.
And the Russians started trolling him.
Literally trolling him in the newspapers.
clint russell
Well, keep in mind too.
tom fitton
Because of Burisma.
And Obama's ambassador said, you know, was told, well, Burisma is the gift that keeps on giving.
So they knew that the Biden issue was compromising our national security vis-a-vis Russia.
clint russell
And keep in mind, too, Hunter Biden was the lead envoy for the U.S.
to Ukraine under Barack Obama's administration in 2014.
When that coup happens, that's largely a State Department, Victoria Nuland-led fiasco.
So this is a long-running dynamic, and people get caught up on just this one 12-month or 18-month period of history.
It's very important that you understand the entire encompassing 20-year period, or better yet, go all the way back to 91 in the USSR, and when the wall fell, and then the not-one-inch.
ian crossland
Go back to Afghanistan, where the CIA's funding the Jihadin to ruin the Russians from within.
clint russell
Quick shout-out to my guy, Scott Horton.
He's got a new book called Provoked that's coming out in like, I don't know, sometime.
It's amazing.
It's an amazing book.
That's the whole reason I know about all this history.
He's been incredible.
tom fitton
Mike Flynn was indicted by the Justice Department, General Flynn, for not registering as a foreign agent because he worked for a Turkish non-profit, not the Turkish government, a Turkish non-profit closely linked to the government.
Now, there's even more significant and powerful evidence that Joe Biden is an unregistered foreign agent, vis-a-vis the Chinese and the Russians.
unidentified
You know, if it's good or if, you know, Trump should have done more.
ian crossland
It's like when you look at it, it seems so overwhelming and like what in the hell these pieces, but when you look at it in the future, when you look back on it, it will make perfect sense.
clint russell
Well, here's the problem too.
The reason, and I asked him earlier, why are they not pursuing the defunding of all this?
Why are they not pursuing this investigation as they should?
My opinion is that both sides of the aisle are comparably dirty when it comes to Ukraine in particular.
They were I mean, you have Lindsey Graham.
tim pool
Have you seen Chris Christie?
clint russell
Yeah, Chris Christie.
tim pool
He said his audience supports his views on Ukraine and thinks we're not doing enough.
clint russell
Yeah, it's nonsense.
I don't know anybody on the GOP side that actually feels that way.
But you have Lindsey Graham, you have John McCain that are over in Ukraine in 2018, going next year's the year of offense.
I mean, this is a long-running thing, man, and it's both sides of the aisle that we're like, They were cha-chinging, you got Mitt Romney, you got Nancy Pelosi, they're all making money off this crap.
ian crossland
So if, question for you guys, if the United States pivots and is like, you know, we're gonna settle this war, peacetime, we're giving, we're gonna sell eastern Donbass to the Russians for 350 trillion dollars, or whatever the hell.
It's gonna go to the bank, it's gonna pay for reconstruction, the Russians will pay for it.
The Russians say yes, if that happens.
clint russell
Yes.
ian crossland
Will they stop there?
Will they go for Turkey?
Will they try and seize Istanbul so that they have a trade route into the Mediterranean?
Or are we good to go?
Did we just appease Hitler for the second time?
Or is this actually peace?
clint russell
I think it's over at that point.
I honestly do.
That's my honest opinion.
tom fitton
Yeah, I think if the war settles with the Russians keeping a little bit of Ukraine and Crimea, that will probably, you know, there'll be a tense, you know, a tense peace for a decade.
And frankly, it depends on the Western leadership.
I mean, the Russians are, you know, they will push where they think they can push.
And if they don't think they can get anywhere, they won't.
Right.
tim pool
With everything going on in terms of the weaponization of government, people being arrested, crime, people just running rampant in these cities, at what point...
You know, when we look back at history, there are periods where people fled their country because of the turmoil.
At what point do you guys think we could reach?
Are we already at the point where a sane and sober person says, it is not safe to be in this country, or are we still a few years away from potentially reaching that point, like Kristallnacht or something?
phil labonte
A lot of wealthy people have already started to split, if I understand correctly.
tim pool
From big cities.
phil labonte
And the US.
tim pool
No, I was gonna say, and the billionaires.
So it's the upper class are leaving places like New York.
The billionaires are building bunkers.
But I'm thinking about, you know, Kristallnacht, right?
World War II era Germany.
The Night of Broken Glass.
Right, they went around and smashed up all these Jewish businesses.
And everyone's on the left, you know, God wins the law, everyone's always trying to compare everything to Nazi Germany.
But you can look at a bunch of other historical examples of mass unrest, pre-breakout of revolution or civil war.
In the instance of Weimar Germany, into Nazi Germany, it wasn't necessarily a civil war.
It was just this cultural revolution that took place over the period of several years.
And with other countries, it was overt revolution.
So, when it comes to Nazi Germany, you had people fleeing well before the Nazis rose to power because these people were like, we could see it happening.
In other countries, you had outright civil war and revolution break out with extreme violence in the streets and people were fleeing.
Now, I understand in Weimar Germany there was violence in the streets, there were street battles, but I'm wondering what you think about the United States.
Is it possible that ever comes a time where people say it's not safe to be here anymore?
tom fitton
I think it depends on whether the institutions, it's going to be a race, right?
The left is trying to destroy the institutions of our republic, right?
And either take them over completely and change their basic character to make them anti-constitutional or post-constitutional.
And the question is, will the American voter beat them to it and get them out of power?
So that same people come back in and restore and reform those institutions.
clint russell
And is that possible?
tom fitton
And you know what?
I think it's possible.
You know, my view is, imagine if there was a different House speaker in the beginning
of the Trump administration other than Ryan.
Someone who was more House Freedom Caucus-y.
Right.
unidentified
Massive.
tom fitton
Or someone, you know, a different president or a different Republican leader.
To me, what's frustrating and both hopeful at the same time is it doesn't take a lot
To get this reform through.
But it's so frustrating because it's still not getting done, even though it doesn't take a lot to get this reform through.
clint russell
Well, let me say definitively, yes, there is a point at which that could be the case.
For me, the two demarcation points would be either abolition of the Second Amendment, broadly.
That would be like, gotta go.
You gotta leave.
tim pool
Where would you go?
clint russell
Somewhere where I could not have to deal with the federal government.
But I mean, they are the empire, so it's kind of hard to go anywhere and be any better off, ultimately.
But I would still probably leave.
And then the second one would be packing the Supreme Court.
If they opt for that, that's really like the last line of defense.
unidentified
Thank God.
clint russell
That's the best thing about Trump's presidency.
I've said it a thousand times.
The Supreme Court justices he put up there, like, If it weren't for them, I don't think that the vaccine mandate from Biden gets overturned.
Like, there's a bunch of things that don't get overturned if it's not for Trump's presidency.
tim pool
But let's dig into that.
You're saying that not even a direct threat to you, if the institution is attacked, and gun rights are gone, and the Supreme Court is packed, that's enough for you to be like, we gotta get out of here?
clint russell
I think so.
tim pool
What do you guys think?
phil labonte
I don't think there's anywhere to go.
El Salvador?
I don't think so.
tom fitton
The left is running things down south.
phil labonte
I think that if the U.S.
were to be in a situation where like the U.S.
falls or whatever, like in a woods is where you're going.
Like it's head out to the Brockies, get into the mountains and live like the Wolverines.
clint russell
I know a lot of Bitcoin people.
My buddy Jethro just moved to El Salvador though.
I know there's a very big tendency to just to believe that America is the freest place on earth, and I think, historically, that's true.
I'm not so sure it is right now.
I'm not so sure.
ian crossland
They've really fumbled this technocratic evolution thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's gone too far.
But we've got to remember, the concept of uniting states is where it's at.
It doesn't have to be here on this continent.
It's just a concept.
It's an idea of delocalized authority.
That can remain, even if some states want to bail or fail.
But I think that the states uniting is the way of the future.
We'll have probably an Earth of states united at some point, and then Martian.
phil labonte
That sounds like a one-world government.
ian crossland
Even the satellite station where people live will become a terrorist state.
tom fitton
Sorry, Elon.
ian crossland
Well, it's just an extrapolation of liberal democracy or democratic republic, but it'll be a global tyranny instead of a local tyranny.
clint russell
No, thank you!
phil labonte
That's exactly what we're trying to avoid!
ian crossland
Well, they want top-down authority.
They want a centrally controlled globe.
I want a decentralized controlled globe.
tom fitton
I mean, this is the whole thing about the AI stuff.
phil labonte
That's what nations provide.
Nations that have sovereign power over themselves provide decentralized authority.
You can work together as nations, but you're not under one global authority.
ian crossland
The nation is a step of the delocalization, so you have cities, then you have states, then you have, well let's just go provinces, nations, then you have globes, planets, and then you'll have solar systems, and then you'll have galaxies.
but we've got to rule ourselves from the local level.
tom fitton
Yeah, yeah, right. And I think, you know, I appreciate your point earlier, Tim, about,
you know, people want to be able to eat, but public safety is a pretty big deal.
tim pool
Security is a factor.
tom fitton
And I think at the local level, these public safety issues eventually,
I mean, even the mayor of DC is...
is becoming a law and order mayor.
unidentified
A real immigration mayor is in New York and Chicago.
tom fitton
The problem is that a lot of the big cities, the Democrats have put their political base They don't care.
They think their votes can be taken for granted and they don't respond to their concerns about public safety.
But here in D.C., you get Democrat politicians who are concerned about their personal safety.
Things change in a minute.
And so I think the public safety issue could be a significant cutting edge issue to get back control the government from the radical extremists that are trying
phil labonte
to destroy definitely our institutions. Sean, I am sure, Sean, I
forget his last name, actual justice warrior, yeah actual justice warrior, he does that he makes this point that that
crime drives poverty but poverty doesn't drive crime which I think is is
pretty astute like if you have a an area that has a lot of crime then you're
not gonna have You don't have anybody that wants to go in.
And as much as people on the left hate gentrification, gentrification does help the economies of, you know, areas and stuff.
So if you've got, like, the first thing you have to do is stop the crime.
You have to get people to stop breaking the law.
And as long as you've got people, as long as your DAs aren't putting people in jail for looting, Then you're not gonna have any kind of investment, and you're gonna have companies fleeing like what's going on in multiple major cities.
clint russell
It's even worse than that, Phil.
It's not just not putting violent criminals away, it's putting away good Samaritans!
Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified
Awful!
clint russell
It's the exact inverse of what you should be doing.
phil labonte
Absolutely, point taken.
tom fitton
And then we're all supposed to forget about the poor guy up in New York who, you know, wrestled and rescued all those folks on the subway.
tim pool
Now you got the guys in California who, the 7-Eleven workers, the guy threatens to kill them, so they beat him up.
Now they're being investigated for assault.
They do hold out some kind of weapon.
ian crossland
But they beat on him for a while.
tim pool
And he had a weapon on him.
ian crossland
Did he?
tim pool
He pulled out some kind of weapon and threatened them.
ian crossland
He brandished a weapon.
That's not assault.
You've got to beat him into submission at that point.
tim pool
Or at least stop the threat.
And all they had was a stick.
If they stopped, does he get up and just start stabbing them?
Or shooting them?
Who knows?
Apparently he threatened to shoot these guys.
So what can they do other than try to incapacitate him?
Otherwise they'll get shot.
tom fitton
And if they had a gun, shooting them would have probably been legally easier.
Not in California.
tim pool
They'd be in prison already.
ian crossland
For the record, actual Justice Warriors, Sean Fitzgerald.
phil labonte
Fitzgerald, that's it, yes.
ian crossland
Love you, Sean.
phil labonte
He's great.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's really smart.
I love his videos.
I'm trying to answer your question, Tim.
tim pool
If there's a point... I mean, obviously, if the Bill of Rights starts to become overturned... I think this idea of, like, institutional limits... I'm not as concerned.
I mean, obviously, the Second Amendment goes away.
It's very, very bad.
But that precipitates the point of no return.
That is before... I guess what I mean to say is...
We're looking at them right now arresting their political opponents.
tom fitton
Yeah, that's the test.
I mean, I think the Trump thing is the big test these days.
It's really disturbing.
tim pool
So Trump is the point where it's like, okay, it's getting dark.
This is their political rival.
Now, if they do indict Giuliani, I gotta say, I think that's the point where historically, many people said they fled the country.
Because going after an attorney who is advising someone shows that you have a regime, you no longer have a government, and that they will come for anyone who expresses discontent.
tom fitton
I already feel that way.
tim pool
I'm talking about speech.
Giuliani talking to Trump.
If they do indict him, then you're next.
Media personalities, commentators, people on Twitter.
They already had you, Tom, in front of a grand jury.
tom fitton
Knocking at my door, at my home.
They sent the FBI to the home.
of the head of the country's largest government watchdog organization.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, this is... That's intimidation.
When you read history... It's retaliation!
I think we are past the point where you already have families being like, well actually I heard something interesting.
People who migrated here saying they're going back to their home countries and things like that.
I met a guy from El Salvador and he said he was returning back home because it's safer there than here now.
phil labonte
I don't know if...
I really think what you're describing is already going on, it's just that the United States being organized the way that it is, with multiple states in one federal jurisdiction, that's why you see people leaving California and people that are, you know, leaving, there are people, I'm sure, leaving red states, although I'm sure there's far fewer, but there are people that are, you know, We are organizing and segregating ourselves by our political opinions more, you know, as every day goes on there are more and more people that do that.
tom fitton
That's why they want to ban cars.
phil labonte
Well, you know.
tom fitton
And have us all live in 15-minute cities slash gulags.
clint russell
You ain't lying.
tim pool
When we look back at history, we ask ourselves, like, how could it get so bad?
How did it get so bad in Germany?
How did it go from one point to the other?
And the issue is that these things happen slowly, one step at a time, over long periods of time.
The American Revolution was a 20-year period.
It's not like the crown said a bunch of nasty things and then we were like, you know what, we're going to declare independence!
And a lot of people, we talked about this, when did we actually gain our independence?
It wasn't until years after 1776.
What was it, like 1781 or something like that?
unidentified
Or 1883?
phil labonte
1789 is when the The Constitution was ratified.
tim pool
1983, I think, was the Treaty of Paris.
tom fitton
There's a reason that the republics haven't been around for a long time, and we're running into it.
I'm less concerned about turning into Germany, Tim, than turning into Canada.
tim pool
Well, my point is this.
ian crossland
Unfortunately, we don't have a king.
tim pool
If they criminally charge Giuliani, Sidney Powell, or anyone else...
Yeah, John Eastman.
And Jeffrey Clark, is that his name as well?
tom fitton
Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department attorney who was giving advice and counsel to the President of the United States.
tim pool
And they're calling them co-conspirators and the grand jury's convening.
If any of these individuals are indicted, you are past the point of no return.
This is where the federal government is not going after its political opponents as bad enough, but going after Council is when the government is expressly stating, anyone who speaks against us or tries in any way to form a legal argument against us, which is free and fair, you will be locked up.
tom fitton
There's the First Amendment, the Sixth Amendment, which is the right to counsel.
I go back, I think, to that Duke prosecutor who went after those players fraudulently on rape.
And he was eventually disbarred.
I don't know if he was criminally prosecuted or not.
But, I mean, if justice prevails here, you know, Alvin Bragg gets disbarred, Jack Smith gets disbarred and subject to investigation over this abuse of power.
And what they're literally accusing Trump of doing, which is misusing his powers as a government official in a legal way to suppress the civil rights of American citizens, it's literally what Jack Smith did to me.
tim pool
Exactly!
tom fitton
It's what they always do.
Arrest thyself, Jack Smith.
tim pool
They don't care.
They don't care that you're saying this.
They don't care that we feel this way.
In fact, they're probably laughing saying, hey guys, we're winning.
ian crossland
Economics, man.
It goes back to the Federal Reserve formation to me, that co-op by John Rockefeller and his buddies.
J.P.
Morgan was involved.
Paul Warburg was involved.
They got on, went to an island, Jekyll Island, over Christmas when Congress wasn't even in session.
And they like, A skeleton crew signed this dumb ass bank into law, this proprietary bank.
They sold us out in 1913.
Now the curtain is pulled back, but this is started a hundred years ago.
clint russell
Yep.
And the inflation, and from then it's 99% of the value of the dollar.
unidentified
Gone.
ian crossland
So like, I want control from these, and like what you were saying earlier, Tom, none of the politicians were economic people, so they didn't understand how to do economics.
They're like, fine, yes, give it to bankers.
Bankers will know how to handle the economy better than I do, because I'm a Harvard grad, or whatever.
But they failed.
And the private bank has gone rogue.
And they work out of Switzerland through the Bank for International Settlements.
I don't know.
If there is a revolution, it is from the private banks.
I don't know how exactly to do that, short of like telling everyone, pull your money out of the bank and give them a date and a time.
Well, it's Bitcoin.
clint russell
A lot of people say it's Bitcoin.
ian crossland
You could crash the banks intentionally.
I think that is economic terrorism, personally, and I haven't pointed people down that road.
That's one way.
But if you're going to remove the system, you need to put something better in place of it.
tom fitton
I think the result is going to be just a sad shadow.
The United States will be a sad shadow of its former self.
Where the liberties that our fathers and forefathers, you know, grandfathers, I guess, took for granted.
And it's not going to be available to us anymore.
ian crossland
But will it be demonized?
Because what would happen is... Well, that's what they're doing.
tom fitton
They're tearing down statues.
For the radical left, they always have to be tearing down something.
So, you know, you're never...
You're never radical enough.
That's why you always have to be deconstructing and raising your consciousness.
It's a perpetual process.
clint russell
Yes, that's the critical consciousness process.
But let me take the inverse of this and just say, I think that ultimately there is a tremendous awakening amongst young men, particularly in this country, as to what they've been up against.
And I'm far more hopeful that we have seen the worst days or close to the worst days, like we're nearing the inflection point.
So I don't think we're without hope.
I really don't.
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chats, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button?
Smash that like button in memory of Roberto Jr.
And head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, so that you can watch tonight's uncensored members-only show, which will be at about 10pm.
It's gonna get a little conspiratorial.
Because a second body, that's right, body was found at the Arizona State Capitol, and we can only speculate as to what's going on right now, and I'll leave it at that, and you want to watch the members-only show.
tom fitton
I thought you were going to say a second body was found in the chicken coop.
tim pool
No, no, a second body was found at the Arizona State Capitol, which is a bit more serious, as much as we love Roberto Jr., but now we will read your Super Chats.
I'm not your buddy guy, says... How can you coexist with people who at every chance will cheat, lie, manipulate, steal, abuse power, and do everything to undermine you?
While also believing your existence is an obstacle to their power?
You can't, and therein lies the great cultural problem.
I don't know.
ian crossland
You need to get them to look at what you're looking at, and you need to get them to stand behind you and to your right a little bit.
But... So, there is a form of unity and metallic bonding in that you need to correct their focus onto something else that you want them to focus on.
tim pool
Alright.
Joshua 029 says, rest in peace, crying emoji and chicken head, and then says, rip young king.
Thank you for the superchats, good sir.
Coldilocks Production says, Tim, I have to disagree with something you said about small towns earlier.
You said, rioting and stuff still happens in small towns.
The stuff reported in media is the exception, not the rule.
Small towns take care of their own.
They certainly do, but when the George Floyd riots happened, there were riots across all of these small towns, and people's lives were destroyed.
It happened.
There have been small towns where the far left has tried showing up, and you see videos of these dudes, like, pushing them out.
ian crossland
Yeah, small town I'm from, there was never any problems like that.
I think the ones that do get hit, they get publicized, but for the most part, the small town community is where it's at.
tom fitton
Being in a rural and suburban community is not going to protect you from the communists.
tim pool
No, that's where they're going to go first.
tom fitton
Ask the Capodians how that worked.
tim pool
Alright, uh, Kiel, is that how you say it, says, I'm super chatting to ask if Cast Brew would be putting out a cold brew kit.
I'm an original TimCast member and really appreciate the work that the TimCast crew is doing in fighting the culture war.
Uh, we want to actually do bottled cold brew.
It's just expensive to do.
You have to order very, very, very large sums.
They have a shelf life.
I don't know if we could move the volume we need to justify... I think right now, if we wanted to do cold brew, it would be like $4 per can.
And then it's like, what do we sell it for?
Cost?
Just so we can have it?
Plus shipping?
It's pretty expensive.
ian crossland
$20 for four of them.
tom fitton
What's the shelf life?
tim pool
One year.
tom fitton
One year.
tim pool
Yeah, so it's like, what do we do?
To get the price down, you gotta order a lot.
ian crossland
Make the can like bronze.
tom fitton
So you need to make a year's bet, right?
unidentified
A year's bet of sales, right?
tim pool
No.
We don't want to sell 10-month-old coffee on the verge of expiring.
We want to sell coffee that's fresh, ready to go.
And which means we, even if we went for the, we can probably move all this before it expires.
And so some people will buy cans that have like two weeks left.
Maybe they're fine with it because they're not ordering that much.
We get the cost down to three bucks.
We're ordering, what, a hundred thousand?
I don't think we move that much cold brew.
It's tough.
It's tough.
ian crossland
I was looking for a good low acidity coffee and it turns out cold brew is low acidity.
tim pool
Yeah.
What you need to do something like this is to get a pre-existing contract with a chain of say gas stations or something where they're like, yeah, we'll order, you know, 10,000 cans to stock at all of our gas stations every month or whatever.
See how it goes.
Maybe you can get it in some supermarkets, but... Oh, okay.
ian crossland
So get the pre-orders in, get the markup already set.
tim pool
Well, you go to a chain of stores, they have like 15 supermarkets, and they say, we'll have, you know, we'll order 2,000 cans, you know, every month.
And it's like, oh, okay, now we can justify larger purchases.
Now we can justify putting it on our website.
Now we can justify shipping and the cost and all that.
But for the time being, the amount of sales we do, we cannot justify actual cold brew cans.
That's why we just, we have what we have.
But cake cups are coming.
Where we at?
We got some more superchats.
Anonymous Smith says, as someone who leans more libertarian and a gamer, I was wondering if you've considered sponsoring a group of gamers that stream on Rumble.
Tim could also play Horizon on stream.
I play, uh, I might consider playing, like, Overwatch or something.
ian crossland
What about Baldur's Gate 3?
tim pool
Nah, I don't play that.
ian crossland
Man, I just started it.
Just started it.
It's daunting to go down that road, because it's a hundred hours, you know, of my life.
And I don't want to do it alone.
clint russell
Dude, I'm a level 75 on Diablo.
ian crossland
You beast, what class?
clint russell
Not wizard, what's the other one?
ian crossland
Sorcerer?
clint russell
Yeah, sorcerer.
ian crossland
Yeah, me too.
What's your specialization?
clint russell
Ice shards.
unidentified
Oh, me too!
ian crossland
They're nasty, dude!
unidentified
Let's go!
clint russell
I knew Ian was my Diablo brethren.
ian crossland
Yeah, dude, freeze invulnerable, baby.
tom fitton
Ian's your doppelganger.
ian crossland
I didn't want to derail because, Tim, I think a streaming show would be badass.
tim pool
Even if it's a going video game?
ian crossland
Yeah, 30 minutes a week.
tim pool
We've been working on it.
ian crossland
Yeah, we should hit the gas.
tim pool
There's a bunch of things we're working on.
tom fitton
But don't offer to give out PlayStation 5s in the middle of D.C.
or something.
ian crossland
We could do like a gaming channel where different people play different games on different days and times.
tim pool
Well, I announced we were doing a skate event in D.C.
with free skateboards.
A couple hundred people showed up.
It was a great time.
We all went home.
Like, it was fun.
phil labonte
We skated.
tim pool
Maybe we should do it again, actually.
It's warmer out now.
And we'll get the crew to go down, too.
phil labonte
It would be nice to do it on a warmer day.
tim pool
Yeah, what are we looking at?
And it's starting to cool off a little bit.
phil labonte
September and October are beautiful in D.C.
tim pool
What's going on this weekend?
unidentified
The 12th?
tim pool
August is... I like August.
Maybe we'll all be in D.C.
at Freedom Plaza this weekend.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Freedom.
tim pool
Freedom Plaza in DC is a good skate spot.
We'll go there and we'll do some flippity flips and whatever.
Waffle Sensei says, I will be buying a bag of Roberto's coffee now to pay my respects.
I think Roberto Jr.
might be the most famous chicken in the world.
You made it, pal.
Yeah, he had a, uh, he had a 90 foot tall, 95 foot tall billboard in Times Square with just his big face on it.
And, uh, poor guy.
He had a heart attack.
And when he, when he, when he croaks, I immediately, we're, we're Googling like what happened.
And it's like, roosters have heart attacks.
Like it's a thing.
clint russell
I'm serious.
I think he might've been the most famous chicken on earth.
tim pool
Is there a more famous chicken?
unidentified
I don't know.
clint russell
I can't think of any.
I don't know of a single other chicken with the name, so.
unidentified
Yeah, there's like Foghorn and Leghorn, but he ain't real.
tim pool
Roberto is going to take over.
You know, so Roberto is at Cocktown.
ian crossland
It's like Jack Dorsey coming back to Twitter.
tim pool
You know, so we're bringing back his dad.
And Roberto is, what is he, a year and a half older than him?
tom fitton
How long do Roysters live?
tim pool
About a decade.
So Roberto Jr.
was like the equivalent of a guy in his 30s.
clint russell
Yeah, super young.
tim pool
Really young, really young.
You know, he was a nice guy and we have no explanation for what happened.
He's not scared of humans.
ian crossland
I was wondering if maybe he was lonely because he had been separated because he was spurring the women.
tim pool
It's only been a few days.
No, I like it just I guess it happens, but you know I was thinking like maybe he was scared But he grew up around people we he's been carried all the time.
He gets like he has no issues of people He's not scared of anybody Roberto juniors.
I mean Roberto is more aggressive.
ian crossland
Maybe the water sound when she kicked it on I don't know we have you know we have rain and running water all the time in like in a strange environment with water He's been he's been in here I'll conduct an inquest if you'd like.
tim pool
There was no one downstairs.
There was like five of us.
He was with Kim.
He was carried by Kim.
He looked totally chill.
No idea.
ian crossland
It's been weighing heavy on his heart.
tom fitton
I want everyone to save their documents.
Delete no emails.
I want to do an investigation.
ian crossland
Oh, forensic.
tim pool
When Roberto Jr.
first started crowing, he would collapse.
So he was one of the first chickens that we hatched.
It was one of the first eggs, I think, that his mom was laying.
ian crossland
Yeah, we had like seven and we all thought they were all hens.
tim pool
That was a big boy.
And then Roberto turned out to be a guy.
ian crossland
That was Roberto, yeah.
tim pool
So then we incubated some of the eggs.
His mom had cancer.
So Katarina was Roberto Jr.' 's mom and had ovarian or like whatever cancer, chicken cancer, and just one day was dead.
And then we got a necropsy and they said, very serious cancer.
So, you know, not a healthy rooster, unfortunately, but we tried.
We tried.
ian crossland
Good looking rooster.
tim pool
Lil' Luke's doing good.
ian crossland
Yeah, Lukester.
tim pool
Yeah, he's been getting with the ladies, you know.
Lil' Luke's gonna be a dad.
ian crossland
You want that guy.
tim pool
But Roberto Jr.
does have a bunch of kids.
ian crossland
Dude, we should give Luke his own coffee.
tim pool
Little Luke?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, Roberto Juniors.
Maybe you're right.
ian crossland
Too many chickens.
tim pool
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Kenny Loggins says, Y'all live right in the Appalachian Trail.
Ian, go on a spiritual journey out in the woods.
Just a backpack and some religious texts for a few weeks.
I've hiked the entire thing.
I'll guide you if you want.
unidentified
Wow, that sounds awesome.
tim pool
I'm willing to bet that Sir Kenny Loggins did not do the entire thing.
Because it actually goes to Scandinavia.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
It's called the International Appalachian Trail. The range of mountains actually goes through the
water and then into Scotland and Scandinavian countries. So I am being a bit pedantic,
but the people who are like, we've done the whole thing, they actually do international.
tom fitton
There's an international way to it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The ridge or whatever that created the mountains keeps going into Europe.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
Dang.
My cousin just walked it, the U.S.
side.
tim pool
You get to Maine, and then you're like, well, I guess I'm done.
tom fitton
How long did it take him?
I don't know.
ian crossland
He walked past us, like, not literally, but through here, and I wasn't around.
I didn't meet up with him, but I don't know how long it took.
tim pool
You know, I'm just... people are asking about Roberto Jr.
I just don't know what could have caused this.
Everything had been fairly normal.
You know, he'd been taking care of Chicken City.
He was investigating the Clintons.
unidentified
And then... I'm done.
tim pool
I'm done.
unidentified
I'm done.
tim pool
Aw, Roberto Jr.
tom fitton
He was paddling on the bottom.
unidentified
Yeah, he was on a paddleboard out in the water with the Obamas and...
clint russell
We took a blood sample, it disappeared, I don't know what's going on.
tim pool
Alright, we'll grab some more.
Raymond Hurd says, shout out to Livingston, Half-Life on YouTube.
You are made from stars to live a life you have never loved.
You are made from scars to live a life to rise above.
Ian.
ian crossland
Was that a message for me?
I thought it was going to be for the chicken.
I have no idea.
That was nice.
Oh, that sounded cool.
I want to read that.
tim pool
The Coconino says, Tim and gang, if you're coming to Alaska, you need to come to SE, mountains, water, fish, glaciers, West Virginia refugees only.
Happy to help if you need info, especially Ian.
He needs to get set straight.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, I'm trying to read old Super Chats and hearing new ones and it's so many chats.
You know what I notice about working out and eating more protein?
I feel like I'm dumber.
But that might be a good thing.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
I feel like if things are hazy and foggy and I'm like trying to pay attention.
clint russell
I think you're just tired.
ian crossland
Yeah, maybe more fatigued.
clint russell
Yeah, yeah, fatigue.
ian crossland
I was like, am I gonna be the dumb meathead on the show now?
phil labonte
Cause you know, when you, when you eat a lot and you're lifting and stuff, you, you, your blood rushes to your stomach to help digest.
So that could be, it was especially the first week.
ian crossland
The first week was like fuzzy.
tim pool
Did you use that blender tumbler?
ian crossland
I haven't used it yet.
tim pool
No, it's amazing.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
tim pool
What does it call it?
ian crossland
Like a volt?
tim pool
Voltrix or something.
ian crossland
Bring it in next time.
tim pool
So we got these protein shakers that has a little plastic blender on the bottom.
And so you just mix in your protein drink and then press the button.
It blends itself while you're like walking.
ian crossland
And I do like fruit, like blackberries, so when all the seeds fall to the bottom, I can give it a little spin and mix them all in and then take a sip, so I don't get all seed at the end, you know?
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
phil labonte
You know what I'm saying.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Jezan Heitman says, and maybe it's Jason, Tim, you talk about the US Civil War and the French Revolution.
Ever read about the Franco-Prussian War?
France started with Napoleon III as Emperor, then went to the Third Republic, then the French Commune, all in a year.
Scary, too.
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize there was more than one French Revolution.
You had the French Revolution, then there was Emperor Napoleon.
So, you know.
tom fitton
There's a movie, Ridley Scott's doing a movie on Napoleon.
clint russell
Oh, that's gonna be awesome.
tim pool
He wasn't short.
That's a myth.
clint russell
Really?
tim pool
He had imperial guards, and imperial guards were always chosen to be massive dudes.
So in these paintings, you have Napoleon with these really tall guys, and like, look how short he was!
When in fact, Napoleon was of average height.
ian crossland
It was like British propaganda.
tom fitton
Was he what, 5'9 or so, I guess?
tim pool
No, he's 5'5.
People were short back then.
tom fitton
Okay, so he wasn't short in terms of the population.
tim pool
He's short relative to us now.
Right, right.
But he had imperial guards that were like six feet tall.
So in paintings, we have an old barn house at Fridamastan and the ceilings are seven feet.
You're walking through the doors and like, of average height, you're like ducking.
It's crazy.
tom fitton
Yeah.
tim pool
It's people and like, what was the average height in like 1900?
Like 5'5 for a guy.
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's crazy, right?
serge du preez
I think it had to do with, like, the French feet being smaller than, like, English feet, too.
Then there was, like, some whole situation with that, too.
tim pool
You're saying that human beings were shorter because we had different words for height?
serge du preez
No, I think the measurement was just smaller in English, and so they're like, oh, he's much shorter, when in reality they're using a different measure.
tom fitton
They were just translating it in a way that was fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I love how British people weigh people by stones.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, they still do?
tim pool
Yeah.
clint russell
There's literally nothing that the British do better than Americans.
We can even, like, measure things better.
They're just so backwards.
ian crossland
What about scones?
phil labonte
They do meat pies pretty well.
Like, meat pastries, they do well.
They do.
clint russell
That's pretty gangster.
ian crossland
Oh, one stone is 14 pounds.
tim pool
Let's grab some more!
Schweck says, John Adams defended the British soldiers who opened fire at the Boston Massacre.
phil labonte
Did.
tim pool
The most hated people in Massachusetts, but Adams let- let- made sure they had a fair trial.
We have fallen so far.
phil labonte
We have fallen so far.
tim pool
Yup!
ian crossland
I want that.
That's like superhero quality.
phil labonte
Have you seen John... Ian, have you seen the John Adams... it was a miniseries produced by HBO?
No.
It's very worth your time.
I'm not sure where you could get it, whether it be on... Yeah, I think it's still on HBO.
You can probably dig it up if it's... It is so, so good.
Paul Giamatti is John Adams, and he does... Oh, good!
He has an absolutely brilliant performance.
ian crossland
It's very, very, very good.
tim pool
M.T.
Pockets says, I'd love to see Tom McDonald on the cast, please.
Tom McDonald does an open invite to come on whenever he wants, but he's a busy fella, so he's doing his thing.
tom fitton
Who's Tom McDonald?
tim pool
He is a rapper.
He's a good dude.
Yeah, he's got a lot of really great music where his songs are about things we like.
clint russell
And he's independent, which is awesome, because you really couldn't rap about what he does and be on a label.
You just couldn't do it.
phil labonte
People say the same thing about Ronnie Radke, and again, it's like, he's pretty busy.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Callie Gildanzoff says, inflation didn't bring women into the workforce, feminism did.
My college debt is why I'm working.
I hate it.
Well, why'd you go to college?
It's cultural.
tom fitton
Well, the left promotes inflation the way they promoted feminism.
So, same origin.
clint russell
Oh, what do we got here?
tim pool
Victor Papadopoulos says, after everything you discussed tonight, the corruption and two-tier justice system, can any of you give me three good reasons not to back Putin and Xi Jinping to the hilt?
Our leaders are beyond redemption.
Oh, I can give you some good reasons.
One, you think it's bad here?
At least Joe Biden likes living here.
Putin doesn't even own property here as far as, well, he doesn't have to live here.
You can count on Joe Biden at least not wanting you vaporized in nuclear hellfire because it would mean his neighborhood and his servants can't give him cheesecake.
There's one.
Same for Xi Jinping.
That's like the best reason.
And I'll give you another good reason.
Because we want to win in the United States.
We want to restore that, you know, shining city on the hill.
We want to make sure that the rights enshrined by the Founding Fathers persist.
You back them, you're basically throwing the Constitution in the toilet.
ian crossland
Yeah, you want states' rights.
You don't want to back the Russians and the communist Chinese because they don't value states' rights like the way we do.
phil labonte
They're also not American.
clint russell
Let me just say real quick, when I'm critical towards the US, it is not that I'm saying the CCP or the Russian oligarchy is where I want to be.
My point is, we are too similar to them.
And that's not a good thing.
We need to get further away.
We need to differentiate ourselves by focusing on actual capitalism, getting away from ESG and central bank digital currency and surveillance and the Federal Reserve and central banking and inflation and all this other nonsense.
I'm trying to not be them.
I'm not saying they're good, though.
tim pool
All right, where are we at?
Sea Warrior says, can people sue these judges and prosecutors that are attempting to interfere in our elections?
tom fitton
People is a big word in this regard.
Judges typically are immune from lawsuits, my understanding.
Prosecutors, depending on the outcome of the case, can be sued, my understanding.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
tom fitton
But who can sue?
Let's say you're a defendant.
It's clear that there was corruption in your prosecution.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, I don't get why libertarians call out conservatives, whom they conflate with Republicans, when they can't even get voted into any office besides Rand.
Oh, Ron and Rand, both fairly libertarian, and they got elected.
There are, uh, would you say Thomas Massey's libertarian?
clint russell
For sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, that's the vehicle.
Libertarians just run as Republicans.
clint russell
Yeah, Massey's one of our best guys.
Look, here's the truth.
The best conservatives you got are all libertarians, so don't get me this... That's true.
unidentified
Don't give me this, that all the libertarian ideology, you ain't getting the elections.
clint russell
Yeah, we just put on the mask of the GOP and then we get in there and we legislate like Ron Paul.
And you love us!
So just be one of us!
tim pool
We were joking about a bit earlier about political speed dating.
And it's like two liberals sit down, and one guy's like, I love Black Lives Matter, and the other liberal woman is like, me too, and they get up and they walk out holding hands.
Then the conservative sits down with another conservative, and he's like, I think Jesus is our Lord and Savior, and she goes, I completely agree, and they get up, walk out holding hands.
And then the libertarian sits down, and one libertarian says, I do think we need borders.
So they're like, borders?!
And they both start yelling at each other about who's the real libertarian.
You're not a real libertarian!
clint russell
Exactly.
That's why none of us reproduce.
unidentified
Here it is, I thought it was the autism.
tim pool
Alright, John H says, I want to for Vivek.
Vote for Vivek?
But Trump needs to win so the practice of lawfare ends.
Right now it is escalating.
They will keep indicting until SCOTUS intervenes.
Then Dems will say SCOTUS is illegitimate too.
Yeah, but we're talking about a primary.
You know, in a primary, I think if Vivek were to win, I'm very confident a lot of our problems are solved.
I'm not saying all.
I'm not saying everyone.
I'm not saying it's revolution overnight.
I'm not saying Vivek's gonna save the world or anything.
I'm saying he will be effective in many ways.
ian crossland
Massively.
Watch his interview with Patrick Bette David from last week.
It was a town hall, actually.
The guy is ready to go to China and Xi Jinping.
But Trump's going to win the primary.
phil labonte
There's one thing I want to say about Vivek, as opposed to Trump.
And this is not trying to knock on Trump or anything, but I do feel like Trump went into being the president completely naive about what reality is.
And I feel like he got railroaded partly because of that naivety.
I mean, there's definitely the power structure that exists is incredibly stacked against the president, but I think that Donald Trump was really, really naive, thinking that people in Washington would treat him like another president.
A president!
Yeah.
But I feel like Vivek is aware of what would happen.
I feel like he's, you know, he wouldn't be going in.
Now I'm not saying that Donald Trump would go in not knowing any, you know, not realizing that they've got, you know, his number as well.
But I also think that Donald Trump has a problem finding the right people to appoint.
So I think that there's just a lot of things about Vivek that I think are actually better than Donald Trump.
tom fitton
I think the personnel issue is going to be a priority for whoever the Republican nominee is and whether they win.
I mean, it's likely to be President Trump.
phil labonte
With the RNC chairs still winning, I have no faith in them.
The fact that she, what's her name?
clint russell
Rhonda.
phil labonte
Rhonda, whatever.
After Donald Trump lost and the 2020 election and she gets the position again, No faith.
No faith.
ian crossland
Ronald McDaniel.
phil labonte
McDaniel, that's it.
What an embarrassment.
clint russell
I agree with your assessment as to Trump's pitfalls in his first term.
I think that the best ticket that they could possibly put up would be him with Vivek.
And I know I've had Vivek on, and I love the guy, and I'm not trying to put him in the second slot.
He would, he fills all of Trump's downfalls.
Like where he put up all these scumbags into every single department.
Like, Vivek is that guy.
He's the guy that understands, he understands ESG and DEI and all this stuff.
He can actually do the things where Trump couldn't figure it out, Vivek could do that.
ian crossland
One of the questions that Patrick, that David asked him is like, well, there's a criticism that now that Trump's going in for the second time, he knows about who to appoint, where.
He's made the mistake before, and you don't have any experience, Vivek.
So how do you respond to that?
And his response was a bit incoherent, I'll say.
I think he, maybe he didn't say it right then and there, but that is one of his weaknesses.
He doesn't know exactly how to avoid the fall.
But he's so smart and sensitive to how... To be honest, I don't know.
I can't speak to Vivek on personnel issues.
But at one point he was like, Trump's on his way out.
He's old.
The best years for him have been and have gone.
For Vivek, they're up and coming.
And his future is bright and he wants... He needs a better future because he has two young kids.
They're one and three.
A president that needs a better future will create a country that has a better future.
A president that's on their way out, is just angry and pissed, is going to turn the country into a country on its way out.
And that is not what we want.
tom fitton
You don't want a nominee, you don't want a presidential, a vice presidential candidate who's going to harm the ticket.
Other than that, I don't think it matters.
I mean, it's interesting politically who it is, but in terms of the operations of the White House, it's not going to make a lot of difference.
phil labonte
I think I'm in agreement with Tom.
I think that, just like you said, you don't want someone that hurts the ticket, but otherwise it doesn't really matter.
I mean, Kamala Harris didn't give anything to the Biden ticket.
clint russell
Look, you guys are right historically.
I'm just saying that With Trump's experience now, knowing what scumbags were surrounding him, he can actually pair that with the how-to.
Like, he can actually just use Vivek as a guy who's a real resource.
Like, Kamala Harris isn't capable of doing any of these things.
Vivek is a legit, capable, half-billionaire, 35-year-old or whatever. 37.
Yeah, 37.
I mean, the dude has crushed it at every single thing he's done.
If Trump doesn't utilize him, that would be a mistake.
ian crossland
He's also a pharmaceutical CEO, or was before he started, so he knows the entire pharmaceutical industry inside and out.
He knows about how they're skimming off the top, what they're doing wrong.
tim pool
And he wants revenge.
ian crossland
Oh dude, he's ready.
tim pool
Yeah, his story of how he got started.
We talked about how he wrote the book.
Woke activists came for him, got board members to quit from his company, started attacking him, even though he was giving in to what they wanted.
They wanted him to write a letter.
He said, okay, I'll write the letter.
He said the letter wasn't good enough.
He was like, what do you want me to do?
People started resigning, attacking him, and then he was just like...
I'm dealing with this.
So I'm like, I like that.
clint russell
Yeah, when I was first deep diving ESG, when I had just started my show, Woke Inc.
by Vivek was one of the first books I read on it that really set me on this journey of understanding the high finance Marxist takeover of our economy.
Vivek played that role.
This was long before the presidential campaign was even a glimmer in his eye.
I'm very impressed with the guy.
I really am.
tim pool
I'm wondering, should we give Roberto Jr.
a Viking funeral?
We have a pond for Thomastan.
It's decently large.
And we can make a little Viking boat.
And then put him on it.
And then we'll get a very, very small bow and arrow.
And we'll just go right into it.
clint russell
Oh, that's nice.
tim pool
I'll be there.
We have not yet.
My brother doesn't want to eat them.
I'm all for eating.
You know, I'm just like, we got too many.
Let's eat them.
But nobody wants to eat them.
So, uh, what we may do is we're going to, I think we're going to auction off some of them.
tom fitton
I'm not suggesting you cook the bird, by the way.
unidentified
Oh, I'm not.
phil labonte
We're not going to eat them raw, Tom.
What's wrong with you, man?
unidentified
What do you do?
tim pool
So for his age, Uh, he probably would taste very good.
tom fitton
Chicken sushi.
tim pool
But he's a rooster.
So roosters are very tough, and typically to have, like, rooster, you want to, uh, you want to boil them in a pressure cooker or something, because they're tough, manly meat.
Um, however, considering the way he died, I- I- You don't want to eat him.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, no, I think the- the- the- the heart attack would cause, like, what is it, you don't want to eat animals that have adrenaline rushes or whatever like that?
unidentified
Yeah.
clint russell
Oh, Terenochrome.
tim pool
No, like, when you're hunting deer, for instance, you don't want the deer to be adrenaline-rushed.
ian crossland
It's cortisol.
clint russell
I think a lot of it's cortisol.
ian crossland
Oh, I was out there eating chicken in front of the chickens.
You guys ever do that?
Just eat a piece of chicken while you're looking at them?
It's crazy.
clint russell
Sorry, I've been reading Q-drops all day.
tim pool
Bro, they eat each other.
If a chicken dies in the coop, the other chickens will eat it.
phil labonte
Yeah, they're brutal.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They're like little dinosaurs, man.
phil labonte
They don't care.
tom fitton
On a serious note, you know, these folks, they get involved in conspiracy.
We sell, through government funding, the fetal parts.
of aborted babies. There's a market for it. So, you know, they get focused on that. Well,
they're selling thymuses and skulls of aborted unborn human beings.
Unreal.
And so that's my key thing with so-called conspiracy theories.
The truth is often worse than what they are distracted by.
clint russell
It's a misdirection.
tim pool
I gotta read this.
Jason Hutchinson, I didn't see the Super Chat until just now, but he sent it a half an hour ago.
He said, to fund a Viking funeral for the noble rooster.
Send a Super Chat.
clint russell
Heck yeah!
tim pool
Well, I was thinking about it, because I'm all about Viking funerals, and we have a pond at Freedomistan that it's big enough To where we could easily put them on a little boat and just, you know.
ian crossland
Like a little wooden raft with like a couple of two liters filled with some flammable material?
tim pool
I wouldn't want to burn plastic.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I would want to actually carve a little boat.
ian crossland
Can we put like some flammable material in like wood that will catch and like really create a nice... Yeah.
clint russell
Can we put like a propane tank right underneath?
unidentified
The explosive end of... We don't want the fire to spread outside of the pond.
phil labonte
All you need, you just get a couple little charcoals.
tom fitton
Smell delicious.
phil labonte
On each end.
tim pool
You guys having a barbecue?
Viking funeral for our rooster.
unidentified
We won't eat our chickens, but we will put them on fires.
tim pool
Roberto Jr.
was hatched and raised by me and my girlfriend Allison, and we raised him here in the house, and we would hold him, and he was in a little cage with his sisters, and then once they got decently big, we transferred him outside and let them live amongst their own kind.
He was always super chill and really relaxed around people.
He was really nice.
clint russell
Yeah, he was great.
ian crossland
Was he the one- was he down in Chicken City, but in like a little room, or was he in another area?
tim pool
He was in Chicken City.
He was in a little room.
ian crossland
I love the way he screams.
I did it before.
I think that's him.
That's gonna be rough not hearing that anymore.
unidentified
I love that.
tim pool
It was just like it would start strong and then it would be- The last thing I want to say is just to mention that point where, so when this happens and we're trying to resuscitate him, I walk back into the house and then I hear a bunch of weird squawking and then I came out and everyone's standing there and the chickens lined up and were like yelling and I was like, what just happened?
Like the chickens just all lined up, looked up and started yelling.
clint russell
It was spontaneous as all get out.
It was amazing.
It was really like touching and I don't even know Roberto that well, you know?
ian crossland
There were a bunch of humans standing out there so maybe that's why.
tim pool
No, we go out there all the time.
clint russell
But it was like a ten minute lag time before they just were like, alright, now's the time.
It was like his spirit was leaving and they're like... I thought he was alive still, man.
ian crossland
I had hope.
tim pool
We took an O2 canister and Kim put it in his beak and held it tight and pumped air into his lungs.
But his heart was done.
tom fitton
Did you get a video of doing that?
tim pool
No, no.
We were more concerned with trying to save him, and his doodle, his waddle, was changing purple, and we tried.
clint russell
It was a very somber moment.
tim pool
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Where's my money, Elon?
I didn't get paid!
Everyone else got paid.
I had 175 million impressions on Axe.
Where's my money, Elon?
Axe apparently not gonna give it to you.
Tom, do you want to shout anything else?
ian crossland
Yo!
phil labonte
Tim with bars!
tom fitton
Judicialwatch.org.
Support Judicial Watch, join our movement, join our cause.
I'm on X2.
At Tom Fitton, of course, at Judicial Watch.
They're coming after all of us, so support us.
clint russell
Clint Russell, Liberty Lockdown at Liberty Lockpod on X. I've never said that before.
I'm accustomed to Twitter.
But you are able to subscribe to me if you'd like to support my show.
It is called Liberty Lockdown, and I will be having on the QAnon Shaman tomorrow.
I will also be on with Shamer on his show tomorrow.
And then a couple days after that, I've got Max Blumenthal, who was supposed to debate RFK Jr.
He's going to come on Liberty Lockdown.
It's going to be incredible.
And then next week, Dave Smith for episode 300.
God bless America.
Check out Tower Gang.
I'm out of here.
phil labonte
I am Phil Labonte.
I am PhilThatRemains on Twitter.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
We are All That Remains on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, and the YouTubes.
ian crossland
Ian Cross, and I'm also on X, which makes me think of X as like a drug that Elon will produce in the future that's a pill you take, and he's like, are you on X?
And that'll mean the social network's in your brain.
tim pool
Bro, X is ecstasy.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Ooh, geez.
It's gonna feel real good.
clint russell
I'm gonna be double X-ing.
ian crossland
Hey, Tom, always, thank you for the work you're doing, man.
tom fitton
Oh, you're welcome.
Incredible.
Happy to do it.
Glad to be able to do it, because we can't do it in any other country other than the United States.
For all the yapping and complaining, God bless America.
ian crossland
Awesome.
phil labonte
Amen.
ian crossland
All right, love you, man.
Catch you later.
serge du preez
I am still on Twitter.
It's still Twitter on my phone.
My name is Serge.com.
I'm not going to say X. I'm not going to say it.
You guys can tell it's on my phone.
I'm not going to say it.
I'm almost like 10,000 people, which is insane.
I don't know why you guys follow me.
I don't say anything useful.
But I'm ready for this after show.
Let's get to it, Tim.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in a few minutes.
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