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Timcast IRL - Biden DOJ CHARGES TRUMP With CONSPIRACY Over 2020 Election Claims w/Tayler Hansen
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tim pool
The federal indictments against Donald Trump have just been issued.
He is being charged over false claims about the 2020 election, particularly his effort to overturn the results and the lead up to the obstruction of official proceedings.
We'll go through the, I believe there's four counts here, but this is it.
They're saying that Donald Trump was engaged in a conspiracy, essentially against the United States.
We're also hearing there will be likely another indictment coming out of Georgia with potentially more than a dozen defendants.
There are also several unindicted co-conspirators in this charge.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is probably the most serious effort taken by Biden's DOJ explicitly to interfere in the 2024 election to prevent Trump from winning.
We've heard a lot of people say that Trump can't win.
They talk about polls, but the polls are actually showing Donald Trump is doing better than ever, and that he's either tied with or beating Joe Biden.
So what is Joe Biden doing?
Exactly this.
Now, of course, you can argue it's Merrick Garland, it's the DOJ, but these are Joe Biden's appointees, and they are going after the frontrunner for the Republican Party, It's unprecedented and I think it is rather terrifying where this goes.
We're going to break down this story and much more.
We also have big news coming out of Russia.
Another drone strike on targets in Moscow.
And now we're seeing more and more calls to bring back the military draft.
I'm not kidding.
Military.com just published an op-ed saying that we need a limited military draft.
Joe Biden just called the Select Reserves and the Ready Reserves.
The likelihood of a military draft in the event of a full-scale war?
Well, it's there.
It's there.
So we're gonna talk about this and a lot more.
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Joining us today to talk about this and a whole lot more is Taylor Hanson.
unidentified
Nice to be here.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
unidentified
I'm an independent journalist and field reporter.
You know, I cover a little bit of everything from child drag shows to, you know, it was the riots January 6th, but, you know, we like to cover a little bit of everything.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
It should be interesting.
We also got Phil Labonte.
phil labonte
How are you doing, everybody?
I am Phil Abate, lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossman.
What's up, everybody?
Let's get rolling.
unidentified
Yeah, iamsurge.com.
I agree.
Let us go.
Well, that was fast.
tim pool
Let's jump into this first story here.
We got this from the AP.
Trump indicted for efforts to overturn 2020 election and block transfer of power.
Donald Trump was indicted on felony charges Tuesday for working to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the run-up to the violent riot by his supporters at the U.S.
Capitol, with the DOJ moving to hold him accountable for an unprecedented effort to block the peaceful transfer of presidential power.
The four-count indictment, the third criminal case against Trump, provided deeper insight into a dark chapter in American history that has already been the subject of exhaustive federal investigations and captivating public hearings.
It chronicles a months-long campaign of lies about the election results and says that even when those falsehoods culminated in a chaotic insurrection at the Capitol, Trump sought to exploit that violence by trying to further delay the counting of votes that sealed his defeat.
They go on and then add some opinion nonsense.
I think we have the actual indictment right here.
Count 1.
Conspiracy to defraud the U.S.
Count 2.
Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.
Count 3.
Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiracy against rights.
They go on to lay out their case with a few interesting points.
I'll pull this one up from Brett L. Tolman who says, I've now read the indictment twice.
It is criminalizing speech, thought, legal positions, right or wrong, and disinformation.
It is also shockingly manipulative of statuses and theories which require enormous legal wrangling.
Further, it ignores advice of counsel defenses and mens rea requirements.
But the most glaring thing is what's not in the indictment.
The charges of treason, sedition, or any other serious fact-based count outlining genuinely criminal behavior.
The unindicted co-conspiracists are lawyers representing the accused, a DOJ employee, and a political consultant.
And their conspiracy?
Believing there was election fraud, talking about election fraud, and pursuing legal challenges in states, they believed election fraud occurred.
To put it simply, ladies and gentlemen, Trump has been indicted for taking the advice of lawyers.
That's it.
So I think the reality is that they're going to make up whatever reason they can to go after Donald Trump to prevent him from running in 2024.
They'll likely use this, or whatever comes out of this, because this is going to be a D.C.
jury.
The likelihood that Trump gets a fair trial is nil.
There's likely going to be a bunch of Democrats who are going to vote to indict, and when he does, they will move to remove him from the ballots in 2024, citing the 14th Amendment or insurrection or something to that effect.
phil labonte
Yep, and I think that it's not, as much as you're only going to see the effect on Trump right now, going forward for the rest of essentially American history or until there's some kind of significant change in the bureaucracy in Washington, any outsider candidate is going to be treated like Trump.
Now, granted, Trump gives plenty of ammo to the left, and I think that's... Plenty is an understatement.
Yeah, I think it's an understatement, but the fact remains they are Prosecuting him or indicting him for things that he was found not guilty of with the impeachment in the Senate.
So he was tried for a lot of the same things here in the Senate when he was impeached and they was found not guilty.
It's it's it's the same stuff.
So they're they're just like it's it's clear that they're trying to make him either prevent him from being the nominee or make it make him, you know, seem unvotable.
You can't vote for him, you know.
tim pool
I think they want him to be the nominee, and then once he is, they remove him from the ballot, and now they're unopposed.
ian crossland
Just cause mass chaos.
unidentified
Yep.
Well, it seems like they're going down this route regardless.
There's not going to be any end to indictments.
If this isn't the indictment that takes them out, there'll be a new indictment in a month.
I mean, we've seen it over and over and over again.
They're never going to give this guy a break.
It's interesting to me that they tried to tie in January 6th just a little bit to this, even though it's been proven time and time again there was no incitement from him.
He basically had no role in this.
The Capitol grounds were already breached while he was still speaking.
And then he released the video on Twitter.
Twitter took it down.
They took the other video down, and they banned him.
So how are his followers supposed to see him saying, you know, stay peaceful?
We love the Capitol Police.
We support the Capitol Police.
You can't.
But they're just never going to stop this, it seems like.
ian crossland
My original thoughts was that we're going to run him through the ringer, find him guilty of something, and then take his name off the ballot.
Maybe that will happen.
The other thing I'm just reading about it, people are like, yo, he's getting bankrupted.
Maybe not literally bankrupted, but this is costing him a lot of money.
unidentified
Oh, I think it's been, I think he spent like what, I saw something like 40 million dollars.
tim pool
And he's being attacked for it.
This is what I never liked about these duplicitous political attacks.
Steve Bannon and that other dude, they're doing that build the wall campaign, they get a bunch of donations.
They indict and charge one of the guys behind it because he said he wouldn't take his salary and then he did.
Not a single person who donated, a legitimate fan, cared that someone got paid a salary when they said they weren't gonna get paid a salary.
They were probably like, sure, whatever.
And this is the same thing here, you've got You've got people saying, Donald Trump is swindling his supporters by taking the donations to pay his legal fees.
And I'm just like, dude, not a single Trump supporter cares what Trump does with the money.
unidentified
They know what this money is going towards.
Like, they see the indictments over and over again, and even if they didn't, they're so loyal to Trump, I don't think they're going to care at all.
tim pool
Agreed.
unidentified
If Trump came out and said, look, we took a bunch of the money and we bought a golden toilet for my plane, his fans would laugh.
They'd love it.
tim pool
Like, show us pictures.
ian crossland
Like, it feels good when I sit on it.
They'd be like, Yes!
unidentified
Nice and warm!
tim pool
Yes!
It's warm.
Yeah, let me read this from the indictment.
Check this out, this is interesting.
Section 3, it says, page 2.
The defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and to even claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election that he had won.
He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuit challenging ballots and procedures.
Indeed, in many cases, the defendant did pursue these methods of contesting election results.
His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.
Shortly after election day, the defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results.
In doing so, the defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies.
Now, this is the interesting thing.
They just, the first one, the first paragraph they're saying, or I'm sorry, paragraph three, that he's allowed to say these things, he's allowed to claim these things, he's allowed to seek these challenges, but he also did illegal things.
unidentified
It directly contradicts itself.
tim pool
It's not that, it's that they immediately then say, but he did illegal things therefore.
Like, okay, you should list those illegal things.
Like, if he's allowed to make these claims, if he's allowed to file these lawsuits, if all of that's fine, what did he do?
unidentified
Well, it seems like he's being prosecuted for trying to legally question the election.
tim pool
That's what it really... Here's what they say, a conspiracy to defraud the U.S.
using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected.
Quite literally saying, Trump's allowed to be wrong, but he's not allowed to be wrong.
ian crossland
He's not allowed to lie.
He's allowed to be wrong, but he's not allowed to lie and say it if he knows that it's not true.
phil labonte
Every fiber of Donald Trump's being believes that he won the presidency.
Every single bit of Donald Trump believes that.
unidentified
And you know what's interesting?
This indictment comes out too, and then you got the DeSantis camp releasing something trying to say, like counteract the fact that, you know, he actually believed it.
They're saying that he knew beforehand that it wasn't actually stolen.
So and then it's interesting that this indictment comes out And I don't think Trump had, like, hard evidence that it was true, so if he made the claim, you can't know it's true if you don't have evidence, hard evidence, so it would just be an assumption, but that's still not a lie.
You can still believe in it, that's not a lie.
phil labonte
He was just asserting.
He was just saying, this is the way that it is.
I know.
I'm confident in it.
It's reasonable to say that there was some amount of error and fraud.
So Trump's just like, look, I know that there were people that were suppressing votes and people trying to blah, blah, blah.
But I know that my voters came out for me.
So go find those votes because they're out there.
It wasn't like he was like, oh, go stuff ballots into a box.
Not that he wouldn't do that if he could get away with it, because he would, but I don't think that he has any kind of plan to stuff ballots or whatever.
unidentified
At one point, didn't he make an offhanded comment about voting twice or something?
I remember when the left freaked out about it, it was a joke.
tim pool
I think Roseanne may have been right.
ian crossland
Military tribunals by the end of the year?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Not that one.
Roseanne said there's not going to be an election.
And Michael Malice said, of course there will be.
And then, you know, my response was, of course, like, define, we need to clarify what you mean.
And I tweeted this earlier, perhaps she's right, not in the literal sense that all of a sudden there's no election, but if Donald Trump is removed from the ballot in a single state, can you really call it a true election?
And that, I think, is an interesting point.
Everyone knows the frontrunner is Donald Trump.
He's gonna be the nominee for the GOP.
Joe Biden, likely, unless something changes, it could change, but right now it's looking like Biden versus Trump.
That's what the polls are showing.
A lot can change from now and then.
If there is an election, and Trump is forcefully removed from that election, it's not an election, because the people aren't given the choice they actually want.
ian crossland
I agree.
People will call it an election, but if it isn't actually an election, it doesn't matter what you call it.
tim pool
Well, in banana republics they call them elections, right?
You can't legally call American cheese cheese.
That's why the package says American pasteurized processed cheese product.
We call it cheese.
We ask for extra cheese when we put it on our burgers, but it is legally distinct from cheese.
So that's a technicality I'm referring to.
phil labonte
It is legally distinct from cheese.
tim pool
It in fact is.
unidentified
I like the comparison.
tim pool
What I really love is I'm a big fan of Home Runnin' Pizza.
You guys ever have Home Runnin'?
unidentified
I don't think so.
tim pool
Where's that?
Famous Chicago pizza brand.
It's really good pizza.
It's like a flat pizza.
And you get these little personal ones and it says cheese pizza with pepperoni.
Why?
Because they don't have the legal amount of pepperoni on them to be called pepperoni pizzas.
ian crossland
Oh, that's funny.
phil labonte
There's a legal amount in Chicago?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Not Chicago, I think federally.
But here's my point, my point is this.
unidentified
Federal government at work.
tim pool
The left, the liberals, will remove Trump and then say, we had a free and fair election.
And the right will say, our guy was removed from the ballot, how is that a fair election?
And the left will just say it.
Let me read you this part of this.
This is crazy.
Check it out.
The co-conspirators.
One, an attorney who was willing to spread lies.
They say false claims.
Two, an attorney who devised an attempt to implement a strategy.
Three, an attorney whose undefined claims of election fraud defended privately acknowledged others sounded crazy.
Four, a DOJ official.
Five, an attorney.
So there's, what is this, four attorneys advising Donald Trump and they're like, that makes it a conspiracy.
So then you've got... We're doing their jobs.
Coconspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors, what they're doing is, they're saying it's false because the media said so, and the electors are fraudulent because they weren't elected, despite the fact Democrats had done this in 1960.
They sent a slate of electors, they convened and did everything, despite the fact the state was awarded to the Republicans.
They did it anyway.
And then when it came down to the actual electoral vote, Nixon, the VP at the time, counted the Democrat votes instead.
So when Donald Trump did exactly the same thing, now it's fraud.
This is a clear sham and attempt.
This is the real conspiracy.
This is the real fraud happening right in front of us.
Donald Trump believed stupid things.
Don't get me wrong.
Donald Trump sought to legally remedy these things.
When he's on the phone with these people, he genuinely believes that lawyers telling him these things are happening.
And he's like, OK.
And as Phil pointed out, there is not an ounce, there is not a tiny, there is not a single cell in Trump's body that believes he did not win.
Every part of him believes he won.
How could he lose?
He's the biggest.
He's the best.
He's got golden toilets.
And his lawyers told him he did.
So he said, pursue it.
They're going after him claiming it's wrong.
phil labonte
Not only is the guy like really really strongly prone to think that he won because of his
ego but then he's got lawyers that are like yeah dude you're totally right.
He's like he's not he's not gonna be like oh everyone else is right.
Me and the guys that are literally telling me exactly what I want to hear, we are probably wrong.
unidentified
Well, and it's like their jobs, too.
And now they're listed as co-conspirators for doing their jobs, being attorneys.
tim pool
This is the craziest thing.
They're indicting his attorneys for legally advising him.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
I would imagine that if the attorneys believed what they were saying, then they're not committing crimes.
unidentified
Well, and attorneys, I don't think, have to believe what they're saying.
I mean, it's their job to defend their client.
That's the entire point of it.
I don't even think you legally have to believe you know you're claiming murder cases you know you a lot of I mean this is obviously different but attorneys represent murderers all the time look at OJ Simpson you know he did it but you know he got off and wasn't prosecuted for it.
phil labonte
There are times where you'll have a murder case where it's like you're getting charged with One, like murder one, and the attorney will just swear up and down that it was just manslaughter, right?
Like, they knew that you killed him, but it wasn't intended, you know, so details like that matter, and they're gonna say whatever they need to say to get their client off, you know?
ian crossland
Yeah, so if it turns out that Trump believed what he was saying, I mean, first of all, how in the hell can you prove that in court?
You can't.
You cannot.
Only he knows.
tim pool
That's why they don't go after perjury.
Because it's impossible, in most cases, to prove someone was lying.
ian crossland
So if it turns out he wasn't lying, he was just wrong, then does that not just clear all these other people then?
Because there was no conspiracy, because there was no corruption?
unidentified
You would think it would clear this entire indictment, because the entire indictment is based on him allegedly knowing beforehand and then lying about it.
So this indictment, I mean, it's just BS.
tim pool
So here's my question.
How can there be an election in 2024 with this already coming down?
Because what we see here is, I'll say it again, in 1960, Republicans win Hawaii.
Democrats convene electors anyway, fill out the requisite forms, and send them to D.C.
Even though they lost.
In the end, Nixon decides to count the Democrat electoral votes anyway, because it was a court hearing.
They were not certified.
He says, we're going to count these ones.
Does anybody object?
Okay, there they go to Kennedy instead.
Trump's team does that.
They're claiming that's a conspiracy.
The DOJ, Biden, Biden's DOJ is claiming that Trump knew he was lying, that his attorneys were conspiring with him to willfully lie and defraud the country to steal an election.
With them saying this, and of course not a single Trump supporter believes this is true, how can there be an election in 2024?
Let's say that Donald Trump doesn't get convicted, he's on the ballot, we make it to November, and then they say, go cast your votes.
How could anyone on the left believe it if Trump wins?
How could anyone on the right believe it if Biden wins?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's where I've got to, man.
Like, with people voting on a proprietary voting machine behind the scenes and then them just spitting you out and them telling us what our votes said without verification, how... I am lost.
I'm like, I am so far out of the political realm.
I see no solution within that broken... within that, I guess you would call, obfuscated system.
I can't... I don't know what strings to pull on because I don't know what they're connected to because I can't see the code.
tim pool
What happens?
What happens in 2024, the day after the election, and they say the winner of the 2024 race is, insert candidate, what happens in this country?
unidentified
How are you going to prove it?
That, you know, that candidate didn't win or did win?
You can't.
Because like Eaton said, who's counting our votes?
We're not.
tim pool
But I'm not even talking about that.
It doesn't matter who wins.
What happens to this country when one or the other wins?
unidentified
It's going to fall apart regardless, I think.
I mean, we saw the reaction to when Trump won.
You see the 2020 riots.
You see everything that happened.
And then you see the reaction to when Biden wins.
You know, either side is going to be very uncomfortable regardless of who wins.
just a matter of which side is going to be more uncomfortable.
And obviously the left is always going to be the more uncomfortable side when the opposing
Canada wins.
But I think the right, it's kind of scary because in this situation it's like they're
trying to push the right into the extremism box that they've already labeled them in.
That's their goal I feel like here.
They want these right-wing terrorists and right-wing extremists to go out and act like
I mean, look at what they did with J6, right?
That is their goal, I think, here, because then they can say, look, you know, these people are insane.
They're everything we've been telling you they are for the past 10 years.
And it's just another, I feel like it's just going to be another step towards the ultimate dehumanization process that we're seeing in the country.
ian crossland
Yeah, if, for instance, Biden wins in 24 and then people are just out of their minds, frustrated with the system, whether Trump was in the election or not, they're going to look for, like, moral solace of some sort to not go crazy.
And it's really our job or the job of you listening, you, like all of us, to keep people sane, keep your friends and neighbors sane.
Because if they do snap, they'll be used as an example, just like you're saying, Taylor.
And just what Hitler did when the Reichstag burned down, he blamed the communists and he sent the whole country into martial law.
So do not step on that landmine.
tim pool
If Trump wins, the left will say, oh no, the fascists are taking over.
He's a criminal and he's been indicted and we all know it.
He's trying to defraud this country.
There's no way this is legitimate.
Vladimir Putin's probably helping him.
Then what?
If Joe Biden wins, then the right is going to say, it's clearly the deep state.
It's clearly fraud.
What happens?
I can't, I can't predict.
I have no idea.
unidentified
Well, did you see, uh, the other day this, I don't remember, you know, who it was.
It was obviously a left-wing.
He's a fairly famous character.
He was on Joe Rogan's podcast and Rogan was pushing him, uh, you know, on the question of, you know, are the Bidens corrupt?
Like there's clearly evidence.
Jim Gaffigan.
It doesn't matter what really happens.
didn't believe in anything that he was saying. He was just stuttering and
mumbling. He was trying to... He doesn't know it at all. I think he was drunk too.
But I think it just shows you that like it doesn't matter what really happens.
The left is gonna be unhappy regardless and they're just gonna continue to get
These aren't happy people and they can never really achieve happiness or solitude in their political candidates.
I mean, they're unhappy with Biden still.
So I think you're just going to keep seeing both sides being pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed until there's finally a breaking point again, like 2020 was.
tim pool
I think 2024 is going to be a breaking point.
unidentified
Oh, I think it is going to be, too.
tim pool
That's what Roseanne was saying.
She was saying something to the effect that there won't be an election.
And the idea that there is no election is absurd, but it will be an election as people will go vote, there will be ballots, but will anyone believe the results?
unidentified
It's a faux election, yeah.
tim pool
No, I mean like it might be real, it might be legitimate, but no one will believe it no matter what.
ian crossland
To not be able to know, that's the problem.
We don't see the code tallying the votes for us, how can we know?
tim pool
But that doesn't even matter because it's not all digital.
Some is paper, some of these places do take paper ballots.
The point is, it doesn't matter if If the vote is two people, and you and I walk in the room, and I hold up a sign saying Trump, and you hold up a sign saying Trump, and we go, there it is, Trump won.
The left won't care.
They'll say, it doesn't matter that he won, fascists have taken over, and now you must resist.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think you're right about that.
Whoever seizes the power at the top, it doesn't really matter to the crowd, to the people, to the culture.
And that's why I'm so heavily focused on creating songs and movies right now.
I don't, it doesn't seem like it's a direct line to salvation, like make a hit movie, but I mean, it can't hurt.
It can only do good.
And I know that during World War II artists thrived, you know, in deep dark times is when people really, really need someone to make them laugh or to make them smile or to give them hope.
So maybe that'll do something.
unidentified
You see that all throughout history.
That's when artists thrive is the darkest times throughout history.
And not just that, but musicians, people that give somebody hope, even if it's through a dark message, they're always going to thrive because people are always looking for something to latch on to.
Because in a society, what are you going to latch on to now?
What, child drag shows?
What moral things are in America right now, and as it declines even more, for you to latch on to and to be proud of?
There's pretty much nothing.
ian crossland
Yeah, we need structural reorganization in the United States, big time, man.
I don't know if the three branches of government's enough.
If we need a fourth branch of government, like the National Initiative.
Mike Revelle was working on the National Initiative before he passed away.
That's an interesting concept.
phil labonte
Mike Revelle's a communist.
ian crossland
I don't think so.
tim pool
That guy was lit.
It's the young guys he let take over.
ian crossland
The people running his Twitter account have kind of trashed, dragged it through the mud, no offense guys, I don't know if you actually have, but I have not been, it's not Mike Gravel, let's put it that way.
phil labonte
If you're communist, I'm comfortable with the offense.
ian crossland
So if we need a fourth branch of government so the people have more of a voice in writing and creating laws and passing them into the Senate, because right now it's like a monopoly of like 300, 400 people, they get to do that.
unidentified
I don't want more laws though!
I was gonna say can you really trust the government to give people more power because whenever you know
They've they've tried to give people more power. It ends up with them having less power
phil labonte
We are the government laws inherently do not empower people But we like every law that the government passes or that
that gets passed Takes power away from the individual and from the people so
ian crossland
you would be able to repeal laws also give the national initiative
I'm not sure that's written in but let's do it give people the opportunity
unidentified
But also he was in charge of repealing the laws and in stating new laws
That's where you run into the problem in the roadblock because not everybody's gonna agree with and why would the
phil labonte
government want?
Why would the government?
Yeah, fair enough.
branch, the existing government, but probably the Congress and the
executive, but why would the government allow a new branch to repeal laws when
Congress is fully empowered to do that now? It would be still the Senate. And laws
tim pool
don't matter at all anyway. Yeah, fair enough. Enforcement is what matters. So either we,
you know, if we want there to truly be changes in this country it has to be
cultural, meaning the people genuinely agree that something is over the line
and other things are not.
And that's where a lot of the culture war stuff is taking place, in areas where the right and the left fundamentally disagree on what is okay and what isn't okay.
Like, for instance, many liberals are okay with books like Genderqueer and This Book is Gay, which contain sexually graphic images.
They're okay with those books being given to minor children, for whatever reason.
And then people on the right are not okay with that.
The law is clear.
You can't allow this, but police will not enforce it.
Period.
So it's a cultural issue.
unidentified
I've only ever seen the police, like, referring to child drag shows, which is clear.
I mean, sexual manipulation.
I mean, you're taking advantage of these kids in an intentional way and corrupting their minds.
And you know, I've covered over probably 50 of these just in Texas alone.
There has only been one single one where anything was enforced and it wasn't against the drag performers, it was against Antifa.
So they're unwilling to enforce it, even though it's clearly stated that it's against the law.
And then SB 12 passed, which in September, it's going to go into state that it actually is against the law.
They'll revoke business licenses, there'll be jail time amongst other things, but it's still going to happen and none of it's going to be enforced.
ian crossland
We need to show people, like, when I pick up that book, Genderqueer, and I turn to the page where the young kid has, like, a strap on, and the other kid's, like, getting down to go down on this other kid.
Maybe someone needs to see me showing a 14-year-old that to see how horrific it is.
Wake up!
Exactly!
We can't just put it behind a curtain and say it's fine.
You cannot let that happen.
Sorry, Taylor.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, but the left does allow it to happen.
tim pool
Ian, you're not a communist, you can go to jail.
It's because they're communists, they're protective.
ian crossland
I think it's because a lot of people don't know it's happening, and they're just going along with it.
Like, Emma Vigeland was on The Culture War, she was like, oh yeah, that book's great.
Didn't even know what she was talking about.
She didn't know, had never, obviously never read the book.
tim pool
But that matters to a certain degree, but the real issue is, there's a video of a guy backing away from anti-FUT in Seattle, They're threatening him with weapons, and the cops pull up, jump out, and arrest the victim.
If you tried saying, everyone, look at this book, look what they're doing to kids, they'll be like, oh, well, you just committed a crime, Ian.
ian crossland
Even in courtrooms, they're like, don't, it's too graphic, don't show us, we can't know, and you're like, dude, you gotta know, man.
tim pool
If a teacher shows it to a kid, nothing will happen.
If you are an opponent of the communists and you show it, you will be arrested.
unidentified
Well, look, it's a perfect example with this topic.
I mean, you look at the 2020 riots, right?
And then the one time the right decides to riot, look at the prosecution difference.
I mean, when the dissenters do something that they're not supposed to, you know, while the other side's completely allowed to, it's just as illegal.
tim pool
They paid Antifa millions of dollars when they rioted in D.C.
during Trump's inauguration.
They smashed buildings that cost millions of dollars in damage.
They caused, they destroyed private vehicles, set fires in the streets, torched a limousine.
And then when the police arrested them, the cops got in trouble and the city paid out
millions of dollars to Antifa as the victims.
phil labonte
And then a couple years later, the vice president was hocking or plugging their defense fund.
unidentified
Well, you look at the Portland defense fund with Rose City Antifa and those groups when I went to jail with them in 2020.
I mean I was talking to them.
They have millions of dollars in that defense fund when I last talked to him.
It was like 3.8 million dollars and all that money is recycled because they're not getting prosecuted.
They show up to their trial.
They don't get prosecuted that money goes right back in and it just keeps stacking and stacking and stacking but you don't see anything like that on the right.
ian crossland
Who has control of that fund?
unidentified
I don't know.
Somebody has control.
ian crossland
So how do we fix this stuff, man?
How do we get in there and make this like us?
unidentified
I think it all comes down to culture.
I think that's the most understated and, you know, I mean, I would say underestimated aspect.
And Tim has done really, I mean, this whole crew has done really good on hitting on the culture more so than anybody on the right.
As we should be making movies like Daily Wire, we should be making songs like Tim.
You have to affect the culture to change it.
I mean, you've got to change people's minds and that is through culture.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story.
We got this one from CW Atlanta.
Security barricades placed around Fulton County Courthouse in Atlanta.
They are slow rolling this one, and we know what's about to happen.
Fulton County DA says her team's work is accomplished, setting stage for Trump indictment announcement.
As many as 18 people could be charged in connection with attempts to overturn the 2020 election results.
I ain't mad at the Democrats.
I'm not mad.
I'm mad at the Republicans.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
The Republicans in all of these different states and all these different places do nothing.
unidentified
Well, they don't use their power.
Even when we do have, even when the right does have power, they don't use it.
They refuse to use it because they don't want to be seen as, you know, these right-wing fascist dictators, but the left, they don't care.
tim pool
I don't know I believe that.
I think that the Republicans who are claiming they don't want to be tyrannical are actually just in on it.
unidentified
Oh yeah, well it's a uniparty through and through.
You have a select few people, you know, congressmen and representatives that maybe not be a part of it.
tim pool
They were not happy that Trump won.
unidentified
Yeah, there's always going to be conflict and the uniparty is still strong and it's going to stay strong.
It's just a matter of breaking that up.
tim pool
How do you do that?
Where are we at with impeaching Joe Biden over his obvious and discernible shady business dealings with his son?
Where are we at there?
Kevin McCarthy said, we're now going to begin the process of beginning an inquiry into impeachment.
Yep.
unidentified
So it'll never happen.
tim pool
So now we're at the point where we decided to start the process of asking the question, does this rise the level of impeachment?
unidentified
Which we already know it clearly does, but it's just a pony show.
That's really all it is.
It's just for show.
tim pool
It's to give people false hope and say, oh, look, they're fighting back.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he could have been I think he could have been impeached within his first month in office.
I mean, with all the evidence, even there was enough evidence with Hunter Biden and everything.
tim pool
But if you want to make an argument that those were pre Biden presidency, then OK, then Afghanistan outright.
I mean, that was such a Disaster and utter failure, it warrants removal in my opinion.
phil labonte
All the stuff that's coming out about Burisma and Ukraine and stuff, that's plenty of reason to impeach.
There's sufficient evidence.
Just the testimony from what's-his-name last night or whatever.
ian crossland
The guest on the show last night?
phil labonte
No, no, the whistleblower.
I mean, Joe Biden was listening to all the conversations.
Joe Biden would call all of Hunter Biden's business partners and stuff like that, associates, just to just to be like, hey, I'm Joe Biden.
He's actually like he can actually get me to, you know, help out if he needs or if he needs help.
So you should probably do what he says.
That's exactly what it was.
It was it's as it's clear corruption.
And I don't know.
like I said last night, I don't have a whole lot of hope in any kind of impeachment or any kind of actual...
tim pool
Republicans don't do anything.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Even at the state level, what we're looking at with the Fulton County DA, this is local politics.
Going after Trump, trying to stop him from being able to run.
They don't want an election.
The Democrats are doing this because they know they lose.
They will lose if everything is done standard fare.
phil labonte
I wonder if they would, like, lose, like, in a landslide, because, like, the majority of people are, like, really over the transient LGBT stuff.
unidentified
Well, once you touch people's money, it's over.
Once you touch people's money, I think that's the biggest indicator.
I have left-wing people that I talk to all the time that are suffering financially.
That's the biggest hit, I think, that you can do on somebody, is once you mess with somebody's pockets, they're gonna notice.
phil labonte
I mean, yeah.
There's sufficient reason for the American people to not like Joe Biden.
There is ample reason.
I don't think that he's a popular president.
I don't think you need to convince people that Joe Biden has done a bad job.
I don't think that's the argument that anyone really needs to make.
tim pool
I think people need to read more history if you look at countries that fall into revolution or civil war.
Because what's happening now with the indictment of Donald Trump, the third, technically, what do we have, the third indictment?
Potentially moving to the fourth.
This is worse than what happened in some of the, you know, greater revolutions and civil wars throughout history.
Up to a certain point, obviously.
So, you know, I was reading about the revolutions in Russia, Tsar Nicholas and things like that, the Spanish Civil War, Weimar Germany, and there were things that happened that were considered to be major catalysts of revolution civil war that were not on par with one leader weaponizing government against his rival political faction to this degree.
Some of these major political moments were like a referendum was held and power was transferred from the executive branch to the, you know, to parliament.
And it's like that was considered a great revolution and things like that.
It was like a tremendous moment happened when the monarchy transferred certain executive powers to parl- for parliamentary decisions and they call that the great upheaval or something like that.
This is Joe Biden is trying to physically remove his principal rival because he's losing in the polls.
phil labonte
I don't know about because he's losing in the polls.
I think he would do that even if he was winning the polls.
tim pool
What I mean is like, we can look at the polls and see Biden's losing, and it would seem that the only reason to really go for Trump in this way is because they know they can't win.
phil labonte
Like I said earlier today, I think that this is bigger than Trump.
I think that this is about making a statement about people that are outsiders, not Even really attempting to get into the office and kind of bust your way into the inner circle and try to make changes and make demands.
I really think that the established bureaucracy really hates Trump because he would have made significant changes if they allowed him to.
tim pool
We got a statement.
I want to read Trump's statement.
He responded to the indictment.
He says, This is nothing more than the latest corrupt chapter in the continued pathetic attempt by the Biden crime family and their weaponized Department of Justice to interfere in the 2024 presidential election in which President Trump is the undisputed frontrunner and leading by substantial margins.
But why did they wait two and a half years to bring these fake charges right in the middle of President Trump's winning campaign for 2024?
Why was it announced the day after the big crooked Joe Biden scandal broke out from the halls of Congress?
The answer is election interference.
The lawlessness of these persecutions of President Trump and his supporters is reminiscent of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, the former Soviet Union, and the authoritarian dictatorial regimes and other authoritarian dictatorial regimes.
President Trump has always followed the law and the Constitution with advice from many highly accomplished attorneys.
These un-American witch hunts will fail, and President Trump will be re-elected to the White House so we can save our country from the abuse, incompetence, and corruption that is running through the veins of our country at levels never seen before.
Three years ago we had strong borders, energy independence, no inflation, and a great economy.
Today we are a nation in decline.
President Trump will not be deterred by disgraceful and unprecedented political targeting.
ian crossland
Well, I think we were still in decline.
We were just in a bubble.
The Federal Reserve screwed us.
2007 was the obvious example of how we're in decline.
We've been in decline since we went on fiat currency.
So I can't stand when Trump takes credit for a booming economy when it was a bubble.
But other than that part, this sounds about right.
Politically persecute your opponents.
In the middle of an election season, the day after your son gets shown for being corrupt.
tim pool
I mean, this is what they claimed Trump was doing.
They claimed Trump was trying to dig up dirt on Joe Biden.
And that was impeachable offense.
Joe Biden is literally indicting the frontrunner and they're like, it's a good thing.
These are evil people.
They know what they're doing.
They know they are evil.
ian crossland
Yeah, I agree with Phil there.
unidentified
Well, it's typical blame others of what you're guilty of.
That's really what we're seeing here, and they're just going to continue to do so.
tim pool
And the Republicans do nothing.
ian crossland
They're guarding that inner circle of the Uniparty.
Like, Hillary's still pissed that Trump said, you'd be in jail on the state.
Humiliated her.
Like, she's not going to let that go.
She's going to watch till her last day on earth.
She's going to be wanting to make that guy's life miserable.
And she has a lot of connections and a lot of power in the U.S.
government, obviously.
And that's why I get to the point where I'm like, nothing I can do can help this system.
Nothing I can do politically can help.
I don't even want Trump to get elected, but if I want to, nothing I can do could help him get elected.
Nothing.
All I can do is make hit records and maybe people will cry in their sleep and realize that life's not so bad and forgive each other.
tim pool
I mean, helping someone get elected is quite simple.
If you go to someone and say, register to vote and vote for Trump, you are helping Trump get elected.
unidentified
I just got blackmailed right there.
ian crossland
The reason I said, no, I feel like nothing I can do is because I feel like if I got a hundred million, if a million people registered, it would just, it doesn't matter.
Cause I don't, I can't read the vote tally.
You got to prove to me that that voting system is legit.
If you're going to do that in secret, then I don't have any evidence that you're doing it right.
phil labonte
It's like secret ballot has always been the thing in the U S like, well, we don't, we don't get to see.
tim pool
Who voted for who, but the idea that we take all the ballots, send them to a private company that goes behind a black curtain and comes out and says, trust us, this guy won.
unidentified
Yeah, BS.
tim pool
We can't work that way.
And so now we're seeing there's been like court rulings overturning these attempts to stop universal mail-in voting and things like this.
If it comes down to ease of access for random people to vote, Democrats are for it.
If it comes down to security, Republicans are for it.
ian crossland
I'm neither.
I just want, like, secure... I mean, is secure the right word?
Sorry to interrupt you.
What were you about to say?
I just want transparency in my election process.
unidentified
So that's security.
Yeah.
That's what the right wants, and that's what this whole thing has been about, is we want fair and free elections.
We want transparent elections.
ian crossland
You have to.
But then I could see, like, if the mob truly voted in a psychopath, you want, like, someone behind this curtain being like, uh, psychopaths can't get in or we'll lose everything.
phil labonte
Okay, let's... No.
unidentified
Well, I mean, you look at, like, if you're actually talking about a psychopath, right?
Like, majority of CEOs are psychopaths.
I'd say a good majority of our presidents have been psychopaths, because you need that extra edge.
I mean, I say God, you know, gifted us psychopaths for a reason.
Granted, not a lot of them are great, but we need them in society.
tim pool
They're a natural occurring Let me read this tweet from Jack Posobiec.
He said the Trump case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan.
According to the court docket, Chutkan, an Obama appointee, is the only federal judge
in D.C. who has sentenced J6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested.
Very obvious where this is going.
Y'all are in a civil war, and people like to ignore it, but just read about the US Civil War, the Spanish Civil War, the Russian Revolutions, there was more than one.
Read about the French Revolution, more than one.
phil labonte
It took them like 75 years to figure out how to have a proper government.
tim pool
First they had a revolution, and then Napoleon became emperor.
And then another revolution.
ian crossland
They had a revolution that went wrong, and then they started killing people.
That was the big problem.
phil labonte
That was back before Napoleon.
ian crossland
And then after Robespierre was killed, there was some turmoil, then Napoleon was one of them.
tim pool
But read about Russia.
ian crossland
He was like, I'll take it.
tim pool
And the Bolsheviks.
Russia is particularly interesting.
Failed leadership.
People were unhappy, is a simple way to put it.
And so you take a look at what's going on now, and this reaches the level of historical...
Historical revolution, civil war, or collapse.
ian crossland
And it makes sense on the timeline of history, because all the cultures of Earth are blending now, and causing mass chaos in the United States particularly as the frontrunner.
So it makes sense that we'd be facing revolutionary pressure, or civil unrest, or civil war-like pressure.
It makes total sense.
Now we've just got to see, how do we fortify against it?
Because if it's obvious that it's happening, it makes sense that it would be happening, then there's got to be an antidote.
unidentified
But how do you fortify against something when you don't control the institutions?
We don't control any sort of power whatsoever regarding the institutions and the institutions are going to be where the majority of the ideological, basically brainwashing is carried out.
ian crossland
I guess you build your own institutions.
It's challenging when you're up against a monopoly, like Mines is like a social network that's free software, has no political leanings.
You know, Daily Wire is a good example of something that appeared out of, or like Angel Studios, you know, that's kind of a new institution that can make whatever movie they want and it'll get put in movie theaters around the world regardless of the gatekeeps.
That's one way to do it.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about this.
While they are accusing Donald Trump of instigating January 6th, we have new evidence as to who actually was behind January 6th.
And it was, ladies and gentlemen, Joe Rogan!
That's right.
Ray Epps' attorney responds to allegations of Klein's involvement in January 6th.
He said the absurdity of the conspiracy theory does not stand in the way of it being spread and weaponized to harm Ray.
If Mr. Rogan is truly interested in focusing on who instigated the attack on the Capitol, he would find more truth looking at the mirror than he does in focusing on a wedding venue owner from Arizona.
unidentified
So basically my eyes must have lied to me on January 6th when I witnessed Ray Epps whisper to Ryan Sample and the barriers went down.
It must have actually been Joe Rogan doing the whisper in that day.
tim pool
Ray Epps is on camera yelling at people to go into the Capitol.
He's on camera also holding the Trump thing and ramming cops.
And then he's on the front line as the barricades are torn down.
Well, I don't know.
He was ramming cops?
unidentified
He was holding a barrier that eventually ended up ramming cops.
A huge Trump sign that they picked up sideways and they had rammed into officers.
tim pool
But that means I can tell you that the dude told people to go in the building and that is on the front line when they breached the Capitol grounds.
That's enough for me.
unidentified
Well, and then I remember seeing him multiple times throughout the day on the initial breach, you know, in the secondary breach.
I mean, right as everything really hit the fan, that's when he backed off.
He just backed off and kind of faded away into the crowd and just watched it all take place.
tim pool
So I don't know if any of this proves that he's a fed.
A lot of people think he is.
But I do think it's absolutely fascinating that the lawyer is trying to say that Joe Rogan in any way instigated January 6th, when Rogan's never even had Trump on his podcast.
unidentified
And he refuses to have Trump on his podcast, from what I'm aware of.
tim pool
I don't know if that's... I think that's the media exaggerating.
I think it's more like Joe probably doesn't care all that much.
unidentified
I mean, he already has, what, the largest podcast in the entire world.
tim pool
He hasn't had Biden on either, so.
ian crossland
He wanted to have him on early on, 2019 or something, and then I've heard that he doesn't.
He's kind of given up.
He's like, I'm not getting involved with that.
tim pool
I don't know, it feels like after the Spotify deal, it's a different show.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
Pre-Spotify, it was like the craziest and biggest guess ever.
Alex Jones.
And now, post-Spotify, it's people he finds interesting and wants to hang out with and just talk to.
It seems like he was able to, like, with a guaranteed revenue stream, just make the show about the conversations he wants to have.
But, I digress.
This is the narrative that they push, right?
In the indictment against Donald Trump, they say he was spreading false narratives.
What they're really saying is, he spread a narrative that defied the corporate press.
What they're saying here now is, Joe Rogan speaks a narrative that defies the corporate press.
Therefore, you are the enemy.
You are their enemy, and you are the one causing all the problems.
The solution of course I think is cultural.
phil labonte
Anyone that pushes back gets thrown into the basket of deplorables.
Anyone that doesn't totally accept the official narrative, you're cast into the Trump supporting
racist bigot, misogynist, sexist, the whole mind.
It works.
unidentified
It works.
But at the same time, I think it's going to reach a point because it's happening so much more consistently with people that are clearly not Trump supporters, aren't, you know, right wing fascists or what they're being labeled, that you're throwing so many people that don't qualify into this basket that eventually the basket is going to be too full and you're going to be outnumbered because they're turning on their own.
I mean, in a lot of these cases.
ian crossland
Also, if enough people speak out against the corporate media at the same time, people don't get grabbed.
It's easy to go after individuals after a couple of weeks go by.
You're like, all right, that one guy made too much noise about it on Tuesday.
But if enough people are just launching without the obvious fraudulence or mistakes and things, it's...
tim pool
This is what I'm saying about culture.
If the culture is you get a million views on TikTok and YouTube when you insult Joe Biden, Joe Biden loses the election.
That's the culture that needs to be built.
That's why they employ these, like, young Gen Z influencers.
unidentified
Well, and they also allow the left-wing influencers on, and then immediately remove the right-wing influencers from what I've seen.
I mean, I had a TikTok, it was, like, 260,000 followers.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
It's- It's- Striked, gone, banned, no chance.
tim pool
We're not even- It's not even- Timcast IRL's banned.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's not, but it's not even- We may have launched a new one, though.
It's not just the political people.
Like, Ronnie Radke just got his TikTok.
Ronnie Radke's the singer of a band called Falling In Reverse.
Um, and they're great.
Massive, massive.
tim pool
He got, he got banned?
phil labonte
He just got his TikTok banned because he was making, talking about trans people.
And I'm not sure exactly what he said.
I didn't, I don't have the, uh, the stuff in front of me.
ian crossland
The trans script.
Get it?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I don't he was he was talking about trans people.
I don't know what he said.
I don't know what he said.
But and they they banned him.
And like I said, this guy, I mean, he is fairly like controversial in the in the rock and heavy metal world in that he's he's he you know, he's a rock rock star.
You know I mean he I think he threw a mic stand into the crowd one time and he gets into beef with people on Twitter and and you know he doesn't do what he's quote-unquote supposed to do but they you know they they booted him off of off of TikTok and And that's, he's not a political guy.
He just said something that was politically incorrect.
unidentified
It sounds a lot like the guy sitting right next to me.
phil labonte
I'm, well, I mean, I've said some things.
ian crossland
A rock singer.
That's Ronnie Radke's description on, uh, fallinginreverse.com.
unidentified
I'm waiting to Google your name and see, uh, you know, the right wing label slapped on your Wikipedia.
phil labonte
Oh, well, I don't know about my Wikipedia, but if you go to any of the, uh, metal blogs, most of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
I've seen, I've seen those articles before.
phil labonte
They don't like me and I don't care because they're scum.
ian crossland
I've never had a tick tock.
Anecdotally, I don't.
I don't hate people involved in the Chinese Communist Party.
It's a little concerning to have a uniparty dictating central planning of a system.
I don't hate those people.
I will never use I should maybe never never say never but I have no interest in using that manipulative trash tick tock.
unidentified
But you look at the massive reach, though.
TikTok, the amount of views they bring in, it blows other platforms.
And anybody can go viral.
That's the nice thing about TikTok, but the right needs to use that.
That's the sad reality of it.
You need the right on TikTok.
You need their ideas because that's where young kids, I mean, that's what they do all day.
They just swipe and swipe.
tim pool
It doesn't say on your Wikipedia page that you're right-wing, but it does smear you pretty bad.
It says that you're a fan of Taylor Swift.
phil labonte
You know, sometimes the internet gets something right, you know.
tim pool
It just says that you're a recurring guest on this show and you're a libertarian or something.
phil labonte
That's cool.
tim pool
Moved to New Hampshire to join the libertarian movement.
ian crossland
So when you said everyone's got to use the, or you got to use TikTok to get through to the people, I feel like that's like saying, here, if we were in a war or something, you're like, here, use the enemy's weapons that are tracking your every move because they're better weapons.
unidentified
Yeah, but you're going to be tracked regardless.
Look at Instagram, look at Twitter.
I mean, all of these are data harvesting companies.
You're tracked no matter what.
You have an electronic device in your pocket at all times.
You know, the TikTok isn't going to track you any better than all these other apps that are harvesting.
tim pool
It's not the apps themselves, it's the phones.
ian crossland
I don't want the CCP to be tracking me.
unidentified
I think the least of your worries though are the CCP, right?
Like your own government has been weaponized against you right now.
They're the ones you should be worried about.
Of course, CCP is a threat.
ian crossland
I don't know.
I mean, I think it's much more threatening.
The Chinese Communist Party is much more threatening to American civilians.
tim pool
I agree.
And you don't want to be on TikTok because this idea that you join TikTok for the purpose of engaging in that conflict perhaps makes sense to a certain degree, but we want to force the conversation onto the platforms where we have more control.
unidentified
Yeah, I can agree with that.
But at the same time, TikTok you can transfer those, you know, your audience off of that to the necessary platforms like that.
phil labonte
That's actually really hard.
tim pool
That's why they ban you.
unidentified
Yeah, well, TikTok, that was my hardest thing is, you know, I had 260,000 followers, but it was the actual return rate to your other platforms.
But if you gather enough followers, you get enough engagement, you do get a little bit of return rate there.
tim pool
But you also want to make sure you're on these platforms so you can push back to the extent you're able to push back.
unidentified
Well, there's upsides and downsides, of course, to it all.
But I think in the end, you know, it would be beneficial for the right at least to have some sort of presence on the app.
phil labonte
Yeah, the only problem with having TikTok is having it on your phone that you use and it's constantly trying to get into your phone book and stuff like that.
That's the problem.
Otherwise, the access and the reach that you can get, there's nothing bad about that.
To be honest with you, I wish that Instagram and other social media sites would Be a little more forthcoming about how you massage the algorithm and how you make sure to get your stuff in.
Because if you go to TikTok and you go to the creator's page or whatever, they give you a list right down the list and you can you can hit all the bullet points and you will go from having no one to having tons and tons of followers.
unidentified
TikTok is the only platform where you can gain hundreds of thousands of followers in less than 24 hours.
It's insane because there's so many people.
phil labonte
I don't know if it's real or not.
tim pool
I don't think it is.
ian crossland
Sorry, Phil.
tim pool
I don't think it is.
ian crossland
Yeah, I would not be surprised if they're shoving AI followers down your throat to make Americans think they're getting something out of it.
tim pool
We've talked about it before.
The way you start a social media network, anyone can do this right now.
Start a social media network.
Put out advertisements to, uh, you know, certain age demographic, younger age demographic, 18 year olds.
When they sign up, start giving them followers rather quickly.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Fake ones.
And they feel like they're getting social- It's a dopamine hit.
unidentified
Right.
Over and over again.
tim pool
Then when they post, you give them more likes.
Then what happens is 18 year old kid, who's a freshman in college or a senior in high school, goes to his friends and goes, tch, I'm on Lebonti.com and I've already got 10,000 followers.
And they're like, you have 10,000 followers?
Like, you're on that stupid old school YouTube.
I'm on Labonte.com.
And then all of a sudden, these other kids are like, I want to get followers too.
And they all start signing up.
All their followers are fake, but this attracts everyone to the platform.
So I don't believe TikTok's real.
At this point, maybe to a certain degree, but I still think, you know, I'll just put it this way.
They, in my opinion, there's a strong likelihood that they did something to that effect.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, I remember one of my first videos ever was like a million likes.
tim pool
It was insane.
Wasn't it two different apps before?
It was called, like, Musical.ly and Live.ly or something?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Well, and it used to be a dancing app.
Musical.ly, it was like a lip-syncing dancing app, and then they merged two apps and turned it into TikTok.
ian crossland
Do you get paid on TikTok?
unidentified
You can for creator funds, but only if you tow the lines and you're making dancing TikToks.
You know, as a political commentator, you're not getting paid for TikTok.
ian crossland
So your first video went viral?
unidentified
My first very video, it was when I was painting murals when I was doing activism before journalism, got over a million likes.
ian crossland
How soon?
How fast?
unidentified
That was within four days.
It was insane.
And I went over from, I mean, I think I had 100,000 plus followers after just one video.
And then every single video I posted after that, Well over, I mean, a million views.
It was, you know, there was good engagement, but you don't know if that's real or fake or not at the same time.
tim pool
So there were two apps.
TikTok did launch and there was also Musical.ly.
They bought Musical.ly and then merged it in and then got rid of Musical.ly.
Musical.ly was the lip syncing app.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
I knew people who had accounts and they were telling me how I got to get on the platform because it was way better.
And they have hundreds of thousands of followers.
Or one person was like, I have a million followers.
And I was like, let me pull up the app.
And I pulled it up.
And it was like all the comments were just like, sweet, rad, nice, so cool.
unidentified
The most automated responses ever.
tim pool
And I was like, I don't think you actually...
phil labonte
No, you don't have that many at all.
tim pool
But you know the thing is, they don't care.
All they want to do is go to advertisers and be able to say, hey look, they may be lying.
I'm not going to say it.
I'm not going to accuse anyone of committing a crime.
Then these creators and influencers can go to ad agencies and say, I get a billion views per month.
And they'll be like, wow, what do you want?
And that's it.
And you get money.
ian crossland
That could be a scandal that's uncovered later where we're like, wow.
tim pool
Yeah, I'll tell you about a meeting I had, uh, with Discovery, in, uh, Discovery Channel, in San Francisco, where we sat down, and this is probably ten years ago, this is probably eight years ago, and they said, what do you think about Facebook?
Yeah, this was probably about nine, eight or nine years ago.
What do you think about Facebook videos versus YouTube?
And I said, YouTube is clearly where it's at in terms of cultural influence.
This is a decade ago, but mind what, mind you.
And then the one guy, this one guy goes, yeah, but on Facebook, we're getting ten times the views.
And I'm like, Are you really getting the views?
Or is someone scrolling past the video and it's adding to the count?
Whereas YouTube is someone actually watches the video.
unidentified
And it shows you the average watch time in a much more detail.
tim pool
In this lunch, it was more than just Discovery.
I can't remember who said it because it's been like a decade, but someone said something like, you know what, ultimately it doesn't matter because these are the numbers we deliver to advertisers.
Yep.
And so they were like, let's just go to the advertisers and say, we got a hundred million views.
And I think there's a lawsuit over this.
Because advertisers were buying views on Facebook for these videos.
They were buying impressions, and they weren't getting delivered anything legitimate.
ian crossland
I want, like, on YouTube, all my subscribers, I want a button that will let me clear anyone that subscribed to me that hasn't logged into YouTube in the last year.
I want them removed.
I don't want those numbers.
I want real numbers, even if it's less.
phil labonte
Yo, Ronnie said that men can't have a period, and that's why he lost his TikTok account.
Wow.
unidentified
Honestly, worth it.
phil labonte
Because he's totally telling the truth.
ian crossland
When I got into Minds, we started building free software.
I became a bit of a zealot, like, I'm just gonna stop using the proprietary crap.
I'm gonna stop using YouTube, stop using Twitter, stop using Facebook.
And Bill, the CEO of Minds, convinced me, like, just keep using that stuff.
It feels dirty, but, like, it's market research.
So maybe there's an argument to use TikTok.
I just feel like I'll get banned within, you know, a month or two if I talk about free speech.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from TimGas.com.
New 2024 polls show Biden alternately tying with and sliding behind Trump.
Despite the possibility of four separate sets of indictments, support for Trump remains strong.
This is bad news.
They say a key strategy for Biden's re-election bid will be branding Trumpism and MAGA threat to America, casting Trump supporters as far-right authoritarians, as Axios described.
And let me also add, personally, one tactic of Joe Biden is to criminally indict his opponent because he can't win legitimately.
Interactive polls show that Donald Trump is beating Biden by 3 points.
Among moderate independents, he's up 9.
In swing states, Trump is up 9.
This is bad news for Joe Biden and may explain why they're so desperately going after Trump with these indictments.
Because Trump's gonna win.
And you know, we had people, we had, you know, Liam last night, he was convinced Trump could not win because the deep state would not allow it to happen.
And I'm just like, they allowed it in 2016 then?
Is that the argument?
In 2016, the deep state went like, oops, Trump won?
Maybe?
ian crossland
I think so.
Because the way he was saying, and what I agree with, is that now that he said, when I get back in, all of you in the deep state are going to be fired.
They're like, okay, this isn't the Trump from 2016.
Now it's a different guy with a different motive.
tim pool
And I still don't think it means they're powerful enough to stop him from winning.
They can certainly throw roadblocks in the way and try and go up against him and criminally charge him.
That's what they're doing right now.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But it does not mean... Look, his polls are going to skyrocket because of this.
His fundraising is going to skyrocket because of this.
They cannot stop him.
They're playing the game in desperation.
They are thrashing about as they drown.
unidentified
Well, the reality of it is, is all this propaganda and the fake indictments wouldn't be necessary if they didn't think he could win.
They would just leave him alone.
tim pool
Exactly.
And so, what I see with this is, as we have tremendous victories with, say, Bud Light and things like this on cultural fronts and Sound of Freedom, they're going for the only thing they have left, which is raw government power.
They are losing culturally.
Their shows are getting roasted.
Alternate independent media is starting to rise.
Bud Light lost a quarter of its market share from endorsing this stuff.
Not popular.
Nobody likes it.
Trump's popularity is going up.
He's improving in the polls.
The only thing they have left is...
Truncheons.
ian crossland
Do you think that if we replaced a lot of the people in the government that it would work better?
Do you think it's a problem is personnel or is it structure?
phil labonte
Both.
Eliminate.
unidentified
Like eliminate jobs?
tim pool
Well, hold on.
You replace a lot of people, it'll be better for sure.
You eliminate a lot of positions in departments and replace people, we can fix the problem.
unidentified
It's just like with the FBI.
You can't just get new people.
You need to gut the agency, figure out what powers they have, what powers they don't, so then they can't go out on a rampage like they have been the past two years again.
tim pool
But let's add into the mix the other question in this presidential debate.
If Trump is indicted and removed, will Ron DeSantis be the nominee?
And ultimately, let's just talk a little bit about where Ron DeSantis' campaign is at.
And my friends, the latest reporting that's come out about Ron DeSantis' campaign is, I'll call it heartbreaking.
Because I think back to the promise we saw with a Ron DeSantis campaign.
Somebody who was pushing good culture war policy, who was pushing a lot of the same policies as Trump, but with more tact, youth and vigor.
And then Ron DeSantis Burned it all to the ground.
And I do hold him personally responsible.
I understand that it's his PR and communications team that are ultimately syncing everything around him, but the fact that he has not fired Christina Pasha at this point, despite every insane error she's made, he's just like, nah, keep doing your thing, even though he's collapsed in the polls.
He's basically no longer even in the race.
unidentified
Well, you saw the statement that, like, the internal statement that was leaked of, what was it?
Hit the brakes on what doesn't work, hit the gas on what does.
It's like, then you think you would hit the brake on Christina Pushbaugh, because this is clearly not working for this campaign.
tim pool
This, who said this story?
ian crossland
Was that DeSantis himself?
unidentified
It was, it was the communications director, you know, basically sending it out to the influencers.
tim pool
This story from Semaphore about Ron DeSantis blew my effing mind.
The video with the son in red, the black son, was made by his campaign.
They outsourced the video to a third party, and the dude who made it retweeted it.
They fired him, threw him under the bus.
This is the video they made criticizing Trump's stance on LGBT issues, made in-house, outsourced, so they could have plausible deniability.
The video in which Ron DeSantis is appearing before a spiraling Nazi Sanenrad symbol with
soldiers marching towards it was made by a campaign staffer and then sent to a third
And we have it here, check this out.
The Scoop.
Senior aides of DeSantis oversaw the campaign's high-risk strategy of laundering incendiary videos produced by their staff through outlet anonymous Twitter accounts, a set of internal campaign communications obtained by Semaphore reveals.
The videos include two that have created recurring distractions for his campaign.
Check it out, they say, Screenshots of the War Room chat reviewed by Semaphore included staffers praising a widely derided and since-deleted video originally posted on an anonymous account, Ron DeSantis FanCams, that included a version of the Sonnenrad, a symbol associated with Nazi Germany.
Quote, This belongs in the Smithsonian, wrote Kyle Lamb, the campaign's director of research and data, before the video blew up in the campaign's face.
He was among the 38 staffers laid off in recent weeks amid a campaign reset.
Messages viewed by Semaphore also show members of the War Room group actively sharing images to put in the video while it was in the editing process, though not the sun in red symbol that was in the final version.
The big issue here that I want to bring up too, check it out.
You should have that guy on the show.
I wonder if he'll talk.
united ownership over the LGBT and sign and read videos, which
staffers retweeted after they were posted by anonymous accounts. They recently fired one aid Nate Hockman, who
shared the latter video and according to an axios report created
unidentified
it.
tim pool
This is a show I wonder if you'll talk Oh, you know, I bet you would like you just let me just tell you, Tim, Tim
cast has reached out. This is a while ago to the dissonance
campaign to have someone come on the show for a polite normal
discussion And they refused.
ian crossland
I was just thinking, I think Ron needs less social media presence, but more focused, honest stuff, but then I'm like, well, why am I thinking that?
When I think of Vivek Ramaswamy, I think more social media.
unidentified
More.
I don't think even if they knock Trump out, I don't think DeSantis has a chance.
I mean after everything his campaign is just crashing and burning day by day worse and worse.
I think Vivek is the guy. I mean if he steps up, Vivek seems like a much more optional candidate.
tim pool
Here's the thing with Vivek.
Someone will accuse him of something and then he will outright address it.
unidentified
He'll make a statement, and nobody else is doing that.
I mean, with the WEF stuff, with everything, he came out, and then when Trump was raided, he came out and said, this is unprecedented, we can't allow this.
He's the only one doing that.
tim pool
I'm gonna tell you exactly what I think about the DeSantis campaign.
And, uh, I'm sure I'm gonna piss off a lot of people, but I'm gonna say it anyway.
I'll tell you what my view is.
Some Trump individuals, I don't know who or what the deal is, posted a photo of DeSantis' team, and there was a picture of Christina Pasha with rug burns on her knees, as if to imply something untoward about her.
This is around the time this whole thing got kicked off, where all of a sudden DeSantis supporters just started rabidly snarling and spitting in people's faces.
I think she was emotionally slighted, triggered to the point where she started using the DeSantis campaign as a vehicle for emotional satisfaction against the people who insulted her.
unidentified
I think you're completely right, and the same thing happened again when I think it was, uh, Alex Brusewitz here released a picture, which was clearly a meme, uh, with Pushpaw, and then it was George Soros sitting next to him, which was clearly photoshopped, and it went viral.
tim pool
Wasn't he sitting- there was a picture where it was like in the background of George Soros or something like that?
unidentified
Yeah, it was like a clearly photoshopped George Soros, it wasn't even a good photoshop, and then they just went rabid on everybody, it seems like.
tim pool
And what happens is, you've got a handful of people who are, like, Trump influences or whatever, who play dirty, or whatever.
And so, their response is to attack any and everyone who dare insult them, or even question them in any way.
The fact that, you know, what we've seen with the reaction, you know, Mike Cernovich tweeting about it, how the Desantis campaign has just started attacking everybody, You know, having talked to a few other people, not Mike, but a few people about what it is, it seems that Christina Pasha, initially everybody, they were big fans.
She was working with Dennis, she was going for the media, she was calling out their BS, and then this rug burn knee thing happened, and all of a sudden it was just like, I, I, look, I get it.
It's like really insulting, condescending, demeaning, misogynistic, whatever you want to call it.
But that was the moment where it seemed like something flipped and now anybody who had a bad word to say was just getting bitten, was just getting spat on and slapped around for it doesn't matter.
They declared war after that.
unidentified
Well, and after this, there's no way that the DeSantis campaign can succeed because you just marginalized and pushed away all these people that are loyal to Trump.
These people that, yeah, if Trump gets knocked out, they probably would have voted for DeSantis, but why would they vote for him now when they've essentially just been, I mean, hitting on him over and over again?
tim pool
There's this, like, uh, pro-DeSantis account that appears to have, like, an AI deepfake avatar or whatever, has been promoted by... MaxNord?
Well, that's got a Family Guy character.
But this one made a, like, deepfake audio thing of me praising Christina Bouchard, and I'm just like, these guys have to be Trump supporters.
Because the only outcome of doing something like that is to try and get me angry so that I insult the DeSantis campaign.
And that's why I'm like, this has got to be a Trump supporter.
Like, make them look bad.
False flag DeSantis and trick them into promoting things that hurt their campaign.
Absolutely!
Yep, make sure DeSantis can't win.
But then I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you.
If Ron DeSantis won't fire Christina Pasha, it doesn't matter if it's intended to sink his campaign or not.
The man cannot deal with his campaign.
He cannot operate a campaign.
It's good that he fired the people he fired, but I can tell you this.
I know some of the people you fired should not have been fired.
Some of the people that he fired, he should have promoted and fired the senior staff.
Instead, he laid off something like 38 people.
I know some of them, and I know they're smart, and I know they understand everything I'm saying, but they're the ones who got let go.
Ron DeSantis, in this capacity, has failed miserably, and the person who's led the charge the whole way, as they've just crashed and burned, he won't fire.
unidentified
Well, their messaging is absolutely terrible.
I mean, they're keeping the people that are like, look at like Jeremy Redford.
I think that's his name, right?
After Ashley Babbitt was shot and killed, you know, he came out essentially praising it.
He said, F around and find out.
And it's like the messaging does not align with anybody that supports Trump.
So how do you expect to garner these votes with keeping these people on your campaign?
tim pool
I think we're learning something about Ron DeSantis.
I think we're learning that he barely won in the first place in Florida.
Trump's support helped pushed him over the edge.
How did he win so well?
I was warning about this, too.
Everyone's saying Ron DeSantis is such a good leader that he won by a million votes.
To a certain degree, I agree with that, but I also wanted to point out, as I have since the beginning, you also had mass exodus from many other states of right-leaning people or more libertarian-leaning people who went to Florida because of the policy and were guaranteed to vote in this direction.
And then people can say, yes, but that was Ron DeSantis' leadership.
Fair.
I agree.
I will add, however, it was unobstructed leadership because the legislature was on his side.
So he had a clear path to rolling these things out.
When it comes to a campaign, he can't fire the people who have failed.
Every day it gets worse.
At this point, maybe he can recover.
I'm not saying he can't.
But when you look at all the polling data, I can't remember who, one major polling agency said at this point in a primary race, no candidate polling at these numbers has ever been able to turn it around.
unidentified
I think his campaign's sunken.
I don't think there's any recovering into this point.
tim pool
It kind of makes me sad.
unidentified
Especially after, because I don't think he did good in the Tucker interview either, where he was interviewing the candidates.
He came off as a neocon.
I mean, he just seemed like he was kind of a war hawk throughout that entire interview and seemed disingenuous.
But then you have Vivek, and I think he did the best out of anybody up there.
He was honest the entire time.
His message resonated with people, but every other candidate and even DeSantis.
I mean, after I watched that, I was off the DeSantis train completely because I was like, I don't think this guy actually believes in what he's talking about.
tim pool
I will say this because we got a super chat.
This guy Nathan C says, DeSantis campaign is fine.
You guys are projecting for sure.
I don't even believe the story.
The video came from his staffer.
Any name proof?
Yes, Nate Hockman.
And I can confirm personally that I have spoken with people within the DeSantis campaign and Hockman did make the video.
Don't believe me?
Don't care.
I am telling you, that's where I'm at, because I got on the phone with people.
Like, come on.
We've been in this space for a very long time.
We know many of the people who went to work for Ron DeSantis.
In fact, I have DMs with the people in his communications staff, and we'd invited them on the show before.
But as soon as his campaign started, they were in full corporate neocon, locked down, told their people not to appear on this show because we were critical of them.
And I reached out, and I said, Did this guy do it?
He did it.
It's publicly known.
Son of a bitch.
It's publicly known.
ian crossland
They fired the guy.
Well, they threw him under the bus.
tim pool
But this is all publicly known.
I mean, this is in semaphore and axios.
I don't believe it.
But look, if you're going to sit there and be like, this is clearly not true.
It didn't happen.
Yo, they deleted the video and fired the guy.
Like, come on.
ian crossland
Sounds about right.
tim pool
They did it.
unidentified
Sounds like a leftist just denying basic reality at this point.
And you know, I understand loving Ron DeSantis and everything and trying to back him as your candidate, but there's evidence on all of these things.
There's uncountable evidence.
ian crossland
I had a lot of faith that Ron would come by the couple weeks after he started announced and play ball, like shoot some hoops and then do the show for a couple hours.
And it would have been awesome.
And we'd see the real guy, hear about his family, what his dreams are for the future, what he did before college.
All that cool stuff that you want to know about a guy if you're going to entrust him with that kind of power to represent you on the geopolitical stage.
But unfortunately, week three went by, week four went by, week five went by, they put out that gross deepfake, and then I've just kind of lost... I have zero faith now in Ron DeSantis.
unidentified
Well you look at the difference too like socially wise.
Engaging not just with audiences on stage but engaging with supporters and fans of you.
Ron DeSantis is so awkward in person when he does this.
He clearly has no care in the world to engage.
He doesn't have charisma when he's engaging with his fans.
He'll just say two things and then he'll walk off and go do something else.
But then Trump I mean, he's sitting there, you know, signing Medal of Honor pictures, going to fast food restaurants, buying people food.
He resonates a lot more culturally than DeSantis does.
tim pool
DeSantis was a VP pick.
DeSantis wanted to be the big dog.
He should have been the VP.
He could have been the VP to Trump.
He could have been...
He could have been the easy-going guy, the younger guy, that would have helped Donald Trump get the votes, especially from suburban women and things like that.
Instead, he says, no, I'm gonna be the guy.
I'm not a number two guy.
unidentified
Well, now I don't think he's ever going to be the guy even in Florida again.
I mean, at this point... Well, I mean, he's turned out.
Yeah, I mean, he's going to be done in politics, I think.
I think this is a career killer for DeSantis because you try to take the helm from clearly who was the nominee, and there's no question about it, instead of just playing ball and helping the country, you know, in a state of, I would say, great need.
tim pool
Let's jump to a, with a hard segue, to war.
Ladies and gentlemen, from the New York Times, drone again hits a Moscow building housing Russian ministries.
This was in the wee hours of the morning, but you know what, I gotta admit, I don't care all that much, because this is not the story you should pay attention to.
This is the story you should pay attention to.
Hey, why don't you read that, Ian?
ian crossland
We need, the subject says, a limited military draft.
I just didn't want people to say that I'm the one saying that, because I don't think we do.
tim pool
Military.com.
We need a limited military draft.
We then have the Council on Foreign Relations, the uncertain future of the U.S.
military's all-volunteer force from July 18th, 2023, which concludes that we're going to need a new Gates Commission to figure out how we deal with this.
Joe Biden has called the righty reserves, the select reserves, to be deployed to Europe over what's going on in Ukraine, and this operation's been ongoing since 2014.
Oliver Stone says he regrets voting for Biden because Biden's leading us into World War III.
You've now got, and it's not just these two op-eds, more calls for a military draft.
And you know what the only thing I can say is?
I really look forward to seeing Harry Sisson on the front lines making TikTok videos.
Because they ain't drafting the 37-year-olds first!
ian crossland
Well, don't be so pie-in-the-sky, man.
If it hits the fan, we're all on the chopping block.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, but what I'm saying is it'll be a good year or so before they draft a 37-year-old over the 20-year-old.
ian crossland
What pisses me off is that Biden...
tim pool
gave that covid vaccine mandate across the military and a bunch of people resigned or got kicked out and now they're like trying to pull their pants back up because they crapped their diapers and like well and they're naming well they don't but i will add to that too and the insane woke policy stuff there were a bunch of things the biden administration and millie and others had done which decimated our our numbers forcing people to to resign or just not want to enlist at all Oh, what were you gonna say, Tim?
unidentified
What was that?
ian crossland
Did you have something you were about to say, too?
unidentified
Oh, well, I mean, you're not gonna send me to the draft, I'll tell you that right now.
I'm gonna die before I go and fight for- How old are you?
I'm 23, so I'm the prime age, right?
tim pool
Well, but you're not first in line.
unidentified
Yeah, not first in line, but- You're a few months out.
At the same time, it's interesting because they've purged all these, you know, right-wing extremists from the military.
They've really been focused on that, but those guys are the guys that are fit.
Those guys are the guys that are willing to fight.
tim pool
Allegedly- My friend, Taylor.
Okay, you're 23?
Yeah.
Uh, how tall are you?
unidentified
I'm six foot.
tim pool
You're six feet tall?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Uh, how much do you weigh?
178.
178.
And, uh, you work out?
unidentified
A lot.
tim pool
You lift?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah.
Do you think they're gonna choose one of these, uh, soy boys?
Little five-foot-five, weak noodle-armed Antifa guys?
Oh, no.
Or do you think they're gonna be like, I want that guy?
unidentified
I'm the prime candidate, but that's what I'm saying.
I mean, you're not gonna get me.
You're not gonna get me.
Regardless of what you do, I will die defending my right not to go to war for the military-industrial complex.
phil labonte
Especially in Ukraine. I'll tell you that in 10 years. It's gonna be it doesn't it won't much matter
Like the physical fitness of the person because they're gonna be
ian crossland
Piloting drones and wearing super soldier exoskeletons and stuff. Have you seen?
phil labonte
They're not gonna wear. Why would you send a person in to mostly for logistics?
unidentified
Think about the generations that have been raised on video games, too
That's perfectly in sight with the technology that the US military uses. That's literally what they're prepping you
for essentially and granted I love video games, but you're exposed to the violence for
a reason you're exposed to you know Doing drone strikes on people for a reason because, you know, they're basically prepping and grooming this younger generation into accepting war.
ian crossland
I used to fantasize about fleeing to Canada, man.
My dad was sucked into Vietnam, and it annihilated pretty much everything in his life, you know, along with his cousin and God knows however many members of that generation.
He'd always tell me about the horror of war in an unjust draft, and I knew, like, it was a dark fantasy of, like, what would I do?
I'd have to flee.
I'm not gonna go die on some battlefield for some oligarch.
I got too much to give to this earth.
tim pool
For Joe Biden?
ian crossland
No, no, no.
I'll defend this country.
I'm here.
That's what the military is for.
tim pool
The future of war is going to be those Boston Dynamics robots, the dogs.
I mean, Black Mirror got it right.
They've already mounted machine guns to those dogs, those little robot dogs.
unidentified
I think that in biological warfare, everybody talks about nukes this, nukes that.
Why would you use nukes when you can use something that is essentially untraceable?
I mean, you see with the COVID lab leak, that's the future.
tim pool
It's not so much that, it's a nuclear weapon destroys the city.
But we want the city.
We want the city, we want the resources, we want the coal, the ore, the uranium, whatever.
We honestly want the civilians.
ian crossland
We want their civilians to be part of our country.
tim pool
You get the DNA, you get the DNA of certain political leaders and their families, and you engineer bioweapons that only target them, and then the virus can infect tons of people and nothing happens, but then all of a sudden these particular individuals just Yeah, that was great that RFK actually mentioned that, although he did get taken out of context, but genetically engineered bioweapons that take out certain types of human.
unidentified
Didn't they say that he was being an anti-Semite because of that clip?
Yeah.
Is that the clip that they tried to accuse him of?
ian crossland
It was so ridiculous.
He made a noise!
Amplify it back at him!
unidentified
He told the truth!
Oh!
tim pool
He made a noise.
Yeah.
ian crossland
So you think that humans are not gonna get, like, it's not gonna be as human-on-human warfare on this?
It'll be like from above by robots and like we'll just be watching?
tim pool
Yeah, I think sending in a wave of those Boston Dynamics robots is...
Look, a nuclear weapon will destroy the city.
But we want to own the city.
We want their resources and we want to subjugate them.
It may just be easier to unleash a virus that targets a specific genetic profile.
Sure, you might want the civilians, but if you want to win the war, just erase the country.
Just like that.
unidentified
Even if you go down, like, the physical, you know, human-on-human kinetic route, you're gonna end with robots and all these things, right?
There's gonna be humans thrown in the meat grinder.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's not gonna be robots on robots.
It's gonna be robots slaughtering humans.
It's going to be machines.
unidentified
Well, and not just that.
phil labonte
It won't be just run by humans slaughtering other humans.
unidentified
Or run by AI.
tim pool
There's no reason to wear an exosuit.
ian crossland
Did you ever see that short film about drone warfare?
It was just like 10 minutes about a guy giving a TED talk about a drone or something like that.
And it's people running from building to building, trying to dodge these flying drones with machine guns that are killing anything that moves.
unidentified
Well, you've seen the videos out of Ukraine and Russia.
I mean, their drone warfare there is brutal.
phil labonte
Have you seen any drone footage?
It's disgusting.
They're small.
tim pool
They're not big.
unidentified
You can't even see them a lot of the time, let alone hear them.
tim pool
Flying bombs targeting your GPS coordinates.
phil labonte
You see dudes just like this, begging.
Begging not to drop the bomb, and they just drop it.
tim pool
And then there's that one video they released where there's a guy cowering in a foxhole.
And then the drone is pointing down and you see the bomb just fall and then boom and then the guy starts groaning
and like struggling Start moving again. Yeah, well and it's and those videos
unidentified
are I mean, they're every I'm glad they're everywhere They are everywhere, but it shows the realities of war and
then there was that one video of the ukrainians I think it was like their their trans tifa force or
whatever in that minefield and they all got their legs blown
ian crossland
Yeah, that one is a video of this guy jumps off the back of the truck
And he's just ready to land and kneel and he lands on the on the thing
unidentified
Well, then they go and try and help their friends, you know, that are down, and then they hit it, the same thing, too.
They hit another mine.
I mean, and the end of it, they all end up having... I mean, they're missing limbs.
ian crossland
Dude, the guy lands on the landmine, he gets his legs blown apart, and he immediately starts tourniqueting himself.
Like, it's just horrific.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, and that's the thing is, I think the realities of war need to be broadcasted, but there's a reason why they aren't.
Any regular person sees any of these videos is going to disgust them, because, frankly, war is the most evil and disgusting thing that you can do on this entire planet.
I mean, humans killing each other for what?
For the idea that their leaders are right and that the international conflict is justified?
I don't think any international conflict is justified.
I mean, when you have people murdering each other, because that's exactly what this is, I don't see how anyone can say, oh yeah, I'm going for Ukraine or I'm going for Russia.
No, both sides are at fault.
They're both murdering people.
ian crossland
I understand resource grabs.
It's not good, but if one country doesn't have enough food and the other one has more than enough, and then they're coming and invading to take the food.
phil labonte
Trade works way better than war.
ian crossland
It does.
But then you need a common language.
You don't need one, but it sure helps.
You need a common culture in order to keep sustained trade going.
phil labonte
You don't need it, but man, does it help.
There's been cultures that were very different and have managed to trade with each other and remain very different cultures and still live peacefully side by side with each other.
unidentified
Simply put, we don't have to keep killing.
ian crossland
This Russian thing is about a port.
It's a land grab because they want a trade route.
And you can't buy a trade route.
I mean, they technically could buy the land off Ukraine for 700 trillion or whatever the value over the next 80 years will be.
unidentified
Yeah, they need access to that seaport right there so they can stop transporting it over land.
ian crossland
That freeway down to Crimea.
And I don't know if there's an... They could buy it.
You could sell it to them.
But at this point, it's just rubble.
I mean, I don't know.
Do you know much about what's going on?
Is the Donbass just leveled?
Is it just mud fields?
unidentified
I mean, a lot of things are just completely leveled over there.
It is.
Seriously, there's a reason why there's so many videos out there in these, especially Telegram.
Telegram is the biggest distributor of these videos.
That's where you really see the uncensored stuff.
You put it on Twitter and even it gets censored even on Twitter because you're not supposed to see these things.
I mean, it's brutal.
It's the realities of life and the realities of following these dictator's orders.
I mean, and you know, I don't agree with Putin doing the land grab.
I don't agree with Zelensky casting out Uh, Catholics and Christians, I don't agree with any of this.
I think everybody's in the wrong.
There's better ways to go about, I mean, trade deals, right?
It's the perfect example.
You don't have to kill each other.
Just come to an agreement, come to a price, and give each other something that benefits both of you.
That's the reality of how the world is supposed to work, but instead, they'd rather just murder each other because that's where the money's at.
It's sad.
I mean, it's truly heartbreaking.
Especially, I have a lot of friends that have come back from Iraq and these other war-torn countries, and they went there thinking they were bringing democracy to these people.
And then they get there, they are told to dehumanize these people.
They kill these people and then they realize, oh, these people don't want democracy.
They're literally openly saying they don't want democracy.
This is a different culture.
And then the guys come back.
The VA doesn't take care of them.
It's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.
They swap them providers.
And then these veterans kill themselves because they have to deal with the fact that they were sent over to murder people under the guise of restoring democracy.
tim pool
I want to jump to, uh, back to politics because, uh, Vivek Ramaswamy issued a statement three hours ago and just announced he's filed a lawsuit against the U.S.
Department of Justice for failure to respond to his FOIA request to uncover what White House officials, including Joe Biden, communicated to Merrick Garland and Jack Smith about, uh, let me read it, about, um, Uh, about the unprecedented indictment in the classified documents case of former U.S.
President and one of Biden's political opponents in the 2024 presidential election, I'm also filing a separate FOIA request with the DOJ to uncover any similar communications relating to the just-issued January 6th Trump indictment.
We should demand accountability and transparency.
In U.S.
v. Alvarez, Supreme Court held that political candidates have a First Amendment right to knowingly make inaccurate statements.
If you're going to indict a former president and leading presidential candidate, it better not be based on unprecedented legal theory.
Further, it's much more than a stretch to call something criminal if someone is seeking legal counsel from their own lawyers.
Jack Smith has created a dangerous precedent by criminalizing the behavior of Trump's lawyers who offer him legal advice, labeling them co-conspirators instead.
This jeopardizes the future of our legal system.
If we fail to admit the truth, January 6th will just be a preview of far worse to come.
We must reunite this country, but the path forward will not be easy.
I want to play the video.
I assume it's probably a different statement, but let's play it.
vivek ramaswamy
It's another sad moment in our country's history.
The 45th president of the United States, Donald Trump, has yet again been indicted by the Biden DOJ, a political party in power that is now repeatedly using police force to indict and arrest and potentially eliminate its political opponents from competition.
This is a politicized prosecution.
It is a political persecution through prosecution now in a third indictment just in a matter of months against the person who is still at present the lead contender in the Republican primary for US president.
I want to be very clear.
I am running for US president in that same Republican primary.
It would be easier for me if Donald Trump were eliminated from competition.
That's not how I want to win.
This is not about politics to me.
This is about first principles.
We do not want to become a country where the party in power is able to use banana republic-like tactics to eliminate its political opponents.
Yet I'm sad to say that's exactly where we are.
The allegations in this indictment fall flat.
It is wrong and incorrect and inaccurate to place blame for what happened on January 6th at the feet of Donald Trump.
I said this at the time.
I've said it ever since then.
I continue to say it today.
I would not have made the same judgments that Donald Trump did in how he handled that day.
But that's different from saying that he committed a crime.
He did not.
He specifically told the protesters that day to behave peacefully.
The First Amendment in this country gives political protesters the ability to express themselves and their opinions freely.
Donald Trump was not responsible for what happened on January 6th.
You want to know what was responsible?
I said this in the days after January 6, 2021, just as I say it today.
Systematic, pervasive censorship in this country.
That was after a year where we had told people across this nation that you had to stay locked down in your house, in your basement, and shut up, sit down, do as you're told.
If you question that, you're racist, you're anti-science.
Your social media accounts were silenced.
You had to stay home and locked down unless you were part of BLM or Antifa, in which case
it was perfectly fine to roam the streets of this country and burn many of them down.
That was the double standard that then applied and said that if you said the virus originated
in a lab in Wuhan, you were again a racist and had your internet accounts shut down.
You were then told you had an election where you could express yourself to put the right
person in charge of fixing these problems, and instead your accounts were suppressed
if you sent a mere message saying that the Hunter Biden laptop story from the New York
Post was real.
You had your accounts locked.
Even the New York Post had its own account locked.
And if you repeatedly then tell people they cannot speak, that is when they scream.
If you repeatedly tell people they cannot scream, that is when they tear things down.
And I think we are making a grave mistake in this country by trying to pin the blame for that at the feet of one man.
If we refuse to learn from our mistakes in the past, we are doomed to suffer an even worse fate in the future.
I worry that will create a country where January 6, 2021 was a friendly parley compared to what's actually to come.
I'm running for president to make sure we don't march towards some kind of national divorce.
But the first and most important step that we as candidates can take in this race is to speak and speak forcefully on the side of principle.
To say that even if we're competing against Donald Trump, as I am, I do not want to see him eliminated from competition using these politicized tactics.
It is wrong for our country.
It is wrong for our future.
I call on my fellow candidates to condemn it.
And I call on President Biden to do the right thing and drop these politicized charges.
That's going to be a first step towards uniting our country.
tim pool
So did Vivace just step into second place in the Republican primary?
unidentified
Nice dude, I hope so.
tim pool
Holy smokes, that was really well done.
unidentified
He did the exact same thing, I mean not the exact same thing, when the Mar-a-Lago raid happened.
I mean, this guy is a winner right here.
Where's Rhonda Santas' video?
Where's that at?
Where is him condemning this?
I'll try and avoid comparing him.
tim pool
That was a very, very well done video.
unidentified
That's professional.
ian crossland
As far as I can tell, he's just talking to the camera.
I don't think there's a script there.
tim pool
I mean, maybe he's got something.
I'm just looking at the whole production, and I'm like, this guy knows what he's talking about.
ian crossland
Partway through, I was like, I gotta see him and Obama get together and talk geopolitics.
Because this guy is the president.
This is the guy.
unidentified
He is the right-wing version of Obama, but I think he's actually genuine.
I think that's the big difference.
But the way that he is able to word things, it's a talent.
I mean, he is very gifted.
He's a businessman, just like Trump is.
He's an outsider.
And I can see why people see him as a threat.
ian crossland
You know what else he is?
His family is Indian.
And I'm not big into identity politics, but you want to talk about an ally in the 21st century, it's India.
It's the United States and India.
If you're concerned about China, if you're concerned about the Chinese and the Russians and communism, you want India.
India is the final piece of the... If India sides with the Communist Party, Asia is a deafening roar.
If India and the United States are allied, that could be one of the most powerful peace-bringing unions in the world.
tim pool
Totally hear ya.
Trump had a meeting, was it Modi at the time?
And Trump, they love Trump, but Vivek's an American citizen who was born here.
ian crossland
No, his parents were born in India.
tim pool
I know, but he was born here.
ian crossland
Yeah, but as I said, his parents, he's got Indian heritage, his parents were from India.
And I'm not into the identity stuff.
A white guy from South Dakota could be a better Indian diplomat than Vivek, but his parents
tim pool
Yeah, I'll tell you why.
ian crossland
He's Hindu.
Like, this is a good opportunity to bridge and blend some gaps.
tim pool
I've had people say they don't trust him or whatever, but I'm like, the dude sat down in front of me and outright said he thinks there should be some kind of civic test for people to get the right to vote.
unidentified
Amazing.
tim pool
And I'm just like, I agree with you.
We've talked about that on this show, but the idea that someone running for office would say something like that, that's like, Every advisor's gonna be like, no, no, no, no, don't say that because you're gonna lose voters in this demographic or that demographic, and he was like, he sits back and he's like, I don't know, they'll probably get mad at me for saying this, but we gotta have some kind of test or qualifier for voting in this country.
phil labonte
I love the fact that he's at least thinking about the ramifications of an ignorant population being manipulated by You know, social media companies, corporations, the government itself, whatever.
I love the fact that he's like, look, people are going to be manipulated to some degree, so we need to do what we can to make sure that the people that are voting actually care about voting.
Because I've honestly, I truly believe that there are far more people that will get upset if you tell them that we're going to take away the right And the simple idea that anybody can vote is actually absurd.
vote, right? Like there are way more people that are like, I want the right,
even though I have never and will never get my ass off the couch and go out and
unidentified
vote.
And the simple idea that anybody can vote is actually absurd.
The fact that you don't have to take just a simple civics class,
so you can at least prove that, you know, the bare minimum about government people that you're voting
in is insane to me.
phil labonte
I don't know how, and I,
so I'm not going to make a prescription as to the way to ensure that the people
voting not only have a stake and, and, and have actual, uh, you know,
concern about the policies and stuff beyond just voting for, you know,
to put their hands in the government's pockets. Um, but.
unidentified
the world.
phil labonte
The idea that you need to have some kind of qualification, or at least prove that you care about where the country's going, not just You care about being able to stick your hand in the government's coffers?
I think that's something that's worth talking about.
tim pool
Let's take a look at the betting odds here.
It's from RealClearPolitics, RCP betting average.
And you can see Ramaswamy, since he entered, has just been climbing and climbing and climbing.
He's currently at 14 cents in the prediction markets.
Donald Trump has seen a major spike.
But interestingly, when they started tracking this in January, Ron DeSantis was in the lead.
That means if you were to have bought shares in the prediction market of Ron DeSantis in January, you'd have lost.
You're hurting.
I mean, we're talking 80% of your bet.
Even Donald Trump improved.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But I think Ramaswamy, I think, you know, we've already seen him tie in some polls for second, and we've seen in the prediction markets he's tied for second.
I think you give it a week, especially with this statement.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Scott Adams just tweeted something like, is it just me or did he do that without notes?
There was that one point where he accidentally forgot to say the word from and then quickly caught it.
I noticed that and I'm like, he doesn't have a script.
When I heard that, I'm like, there's no script there.
unidentified
Well, you see how well spoken he is.
A guy like this doesn't need a script.
ian crossland
He said if we don't learn our mistakes, if we don't learn from our past mistakes, so he misspoke the word.
unidentified
It makes you believe he's more genuine, because he's not going off a script like every one of these other politicians.
tim pool
Unless he's so smart, he has a prompter, but he intentionally plots to make it seem like it.
He's 37 years old!
ian crossland
Yeah, the guy's amazing, dude.
He's got that, I don't know, Obama flair.
I almost want him to join the Uniparty just to get in so that he can become the brilliant visionary and alterator that we need.
But I don't want to see him get lost to the Uniparty.
But that's what happens when you become president.
You become the leader of the military-industrial complex.
And he's willing.
He knows he's going to get changed.
He said that to you, Tim, on the culture war.
He's like, I'm going to go in there.
I'm going to be a different person after eight years.
I know I'm willing.
tim pool
I was saying that I thought he could not win, Trump's the clear frontrunner, Trump will be the nominee.
At this point I'm thinking like, Vivek has defended the right principles, he's defended Trump, he's spoken clearly and truthfully and honestly, he's addressed every question put before him, I'm extremely impressed with him, and I think he's in second place.
Like the polling's gonna come out, but I think he's in second place.
I think that for a lot of Trump supporters, if Trump is forcefully removed from the ballot to the point where there is no choice, A lot of these guys are going to vote for Ramaswamy.
ian crossland
Yeah, even Trump likes him.
Trump's spoken very highly of him.
tim pool
And at this point with that, I'm like, I could see him being VP.
He said he didn't want to do it.
ian crossland
He said he didn't want to.
tim pool
They all say that they do.
ian crossland
You have to say you don't want to.
Yeah.
Otherwise, they'll just put you there.
unidentified
I mean, that's what I was talking about earlier.
I think he'd be the perfect VP for Trump.
The perfect person to level Trump out, you know, almost a pence, but much better, significantly better in every single way.
And he's Hindu, so Christians will support him.
I mean, there's a lot of Parallels between these as long as they're religious.
They have basic values.
ian crossland
You're gonna get the vote I feel like he like Vivek will just make social media posts Non-stop as VP if he was VP and just piss Trump off so bad because he's got different ideas Although Trump's a listener like Trump has a really good memory.
That's I think one really good quality about him He's a great memory and he's a good listener Apparently seems like a very good listener.
unidentified
I think he would benefit greatly from having somebody like Vivek with him.
Yeah.
Because he can, I mean, you've seen in his past administration, he had bad people around him, and those bad ideas were reflected a lot through his administration.
But you put someone like Vivek around him, these ideas are good ideas.
Yeah, granted, not all of them are, but he has better ideas than almost anybody I've, I mean, I would argue this is the best candidate that I relate to more on a personal level.
Out of anyone.
tim pool
I wonder if Vivek's real strategy is, uh, is auditioning for the role of VP. I think so. I do think
so. No, but think about it. Trump doesn't care who you are. Trump's the kind of guy who's run
multiple businesses. Vivek runs a business right up to a half a billion dollars or
multi-billion dollars. He's a guy who knows how you get the job. And I'm wondering if Vivek
is like, you can't go and apply to be VP.
You can't walk up to Trump and say, trust me, just trust me.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
You get out there, you prove it.
Trump's seen it.
Trump likes him.
This race will happen.
Vivek handles everything masterfully.
Defends Trump masterfully.
And then when it comes down to the primary, Trump wins.
Vivek smiles, shakes his hand, and Trump says, I think you're the guy.
unidentified
I think that's honestly the only roadmap for Trump to win as well.
I think if Trump picks just about anybody else, I don't think there's really a possibility for him to reach other voters that he wasn't able to reach before.
I mean, granted, his votes are going to go up because of the economy and everything else, but Vivek is the guy to garner those votes that he wouldn't regularly obtain.
tim pool
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It's a small screening process we have to try and keep nefarious actors out, and we do have a screening process for the questions, but join us, let's read what you got to say.
Alright, Rick K. says, I would love to see a program that requires teenagers to work on a farm for 40 hours for graduation.
It would benefit the country as a whole and teach younger generations about agricultural animal husbandry and self-reliance.
Completely agree.
unidentified
You look at the farm kids that grow up, they're always great.
tim pool
I would say a month.
ian crossland
I would say one weekend, three hours a day.
unidentified
No, no, no.
You stay on that farm.
tim pool
For one month you go and stay on a farm and you do general farm work.
ian crossland
Once you start getting up early, I mean, that's training in and of itself.
unidentified
It's the work ethic, too.
That's what makes men and that's what makes people... I mean, you look at the farm kids, right?
They always end up more right-wing.
They always end up holding their values and not straying away from them.
Hard work is what ingrains people to have good morals.
I genuinely believe in that.
And even with sports, football, baseball, all these American sports, it's not about the sport.
It's about the values that you teach through those sports.
tim pool
Three months.
ian crossland
Yes.
unidentified
No, that's too long.
No, no, three months is a season.
You have to be there at least out of season.
Send kids to the farm for three months.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, of course, man.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
I already hate public school, geez.
In order to graduate, you have to actually do something within the real world because
farming isn't just picking grapes or something.
It is, there's financial elements to it.
The shipment's coming in at 6 a.m.
It's real world training.
ian crossland
If the crops fail, so do you.
tim pool
And look, we're not saying you work 30 hours, you know, 24 hours a day.
30 hours a day, I'm exaggerating.
You work an 8-hour shift.
unidentified
Just a farm hand.
tim pool
You just help out.
Exactly.
You work 8 hours a day, like any normal job.
You basically just have for 3 months a summer job.
unidentified
Right.
That's it.
That's what I'm thinking.
tim pool
A summer job for 3 months.
And you get paid, I think they should get paid a stipend.
And then once the summer is over, they'll be like, I went on the summer camp and I worked a summer job.
unidentified
Whoever sent that super chat's a real one.
tim pool
Then, when you get out, you've learned a whole bunch about how the farm works, about how finance, shipments, delivery, packaging, you learn where the product is going, you make money, so when you leave, you'll have a couple grand.
Like, I graduated from high school, I got a couple grand, I put it in my bank account, I'm off to a good start.
unidentified
Let's be honest.
tim pool
That's a great idea.
unidentified
The Rockefeller school system, it's designed the way it is for a reason, right?
It's for factory workers.
Yeah, exactly.
Eight hour shifts, wake up too early before your brain's fully functioning.
I mean, we see it over and over again, but that would significantly not just fix the school system, but fix the values in this country.
ian crossland
That's a really great idea.
It's an antidote to factory farming.
unidentified
Yeah, literally is.
Do something beneficial, not sitting in a factory all day.
phil labonte
No, just abolish the Department of Education.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
Junior says, Tim, I liked Pasha at first.
A lot of spit and fury.
She was fiery, but mostly peaceful.
Now she's basically the female version of Brooklyn dad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I've kind of been not looking at her much, because I still have faith or hope that she'll come on the show, or Ron will come on the show maybe, but I don't know.
unidentified
Well, and see, I agree with him.
I really liked Pushaw.
She had a lot of potential.
She was handling the media masterfully, and then all of a sudden, I mean, that picture comes out with her red knees, and next thing you know, it's just hellfire over and over again from her and the DeSantis campaign.
tim pool
Alright, Koldilock says Trump getting hit with this charge is like Clinton deleting emails of documents she shouldn't have had.
Both situations are bull and shouldn't be happening.
Them charging Trump is going to be bad for the unity of America.
Completely agree.
Thebagman says World War 3 will happen so Trump will lose 2024 election and we'll all go to the dark ages.
I have never been wrong in my life.
Well alright, good luck sir.
Skylar Pearson says, Tim, your voice is so dynamic, that deepfake of you sounded so flat and uninteresting, like a 1980s talk show host version of you.
Yeah, we were talking about this.
Like, if you put Joe Rogan in that voice deepfake thing, it nails it.
And it's weird.
There's a few other people that it really gets, but for some reason it just does not get in my voice.
unidentified
Well, you do a lot of different tones when you speak.
I think that's the biggest thing, is your tone changes and your demeanor changes consistently through your sentences, so it's harder for AI to track that.
But Rogan, he's just flat.
tim pool
It's hard to impersonate Joe Rogan, but the AI seems to get him.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah, he'll kind of talk like... Nah, it's hard to get.
ian crossland
He doesn't have like the thrill.
The AI version of him doesn't have a thrill to his voice.
tim pool
Donald Trump, he's nasally.
So you have to push your tongue up against the back of your mouth to get that nasally when you're talking.
Right?
And there's certain characteristics of like Dr. Fauci that you can just hone in on.
You don't need to be wearing two masks!
unidentified
But definitely two is a... you don't need two, but two.
tim pool
I can hear, like, Trump was hard for me to figure out for a while.
I don't think it's particularly super good or whatever.
I just got some of the characteristics.
unidentified
Your Nancy Pelosi one's my favorite.
tim pool
But that one's intentionally insulting.
unidentified
Donald Trump is a disgusting...
tim pool
It's meant to, you know, but like with Joe Rogan, I cannot figure out how to speak that way.
I just, it's just like, it's not, it doesn't exist in the realm of whatever my, my... Joe's, yeah, he's got like a jovial kind of like... No, no, it's like the sound of his voice and the way he speaks, it's just... It's like in the back of the cheeks, kind of up by the jaw.
unidentified
It's the HGH and TRT.
tim pool
Impossible for me to get.
And I've seen a lot of cartoons, like, uh, where they try to impersonate Joe.
And they just make him talk like this!
And I'm like, Joe doesn't talk like this.
ian crossland
He's got like a Boston accent that's been kind of muted.
Maybe that has something to, if you want to catch it.
tim pool
All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.
All right, Hank Fett says, if they are successful in getting Trump off the ballot and run unopposed, do you think anyone on the right among his supporters or the Republicans will do anything to oppose it, or is it over for us?
I think it's, I think everything just falls apart.
ian crossland
You got to use different systems, but fighting that thing, that oligarchy, is not the way.
tim pool
I can't imagine they actually remove Trump from the ballot because it's unprecedented.
And who does it leave on the ballot?
Are they just going to eliminate the Republican Party from the ballot in all these different states?
ian crossland
It would be Vivek.
And maybe he would win and become the greatest president of all time.
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
Could you imagine if Trump said, vote Vivek?
unidentified
It would be crazy.
phil labonte
I mean, I suppose if he got, if he got arrested, I can't imagine a context where Trump would do that.
unidentified
I mean, I think, I think the ego is a little bit too big with Trump, even if he is arrested and died and everything.
I mean, I think he's still going to say, yes, they robbed me, right?
phil labonte
He'd be like, write me in.
And then so that if you write me in, then I can pardon myself when I get in.
That would, that would be the thing.
I can't imagine Trump being like, Oh yeah, you should totally vote for him.
tim pool
Max Reddick says, Tim, I know that you have known David Pakman for a long time.
You should ask him to come on IRL and discuss Biden and the quid pro quo.
Here's my prediction.
I like David.
I've known him for a long time.
He's cool.
I think he's wrong about a lot of things.
I also think that he sometimes intentionally lies.
I think if he came on this show, it would literally be just him saying like, I didn't know that, I didn't know that, I didn't know that over and over and over again.
So, like, by all means, we can invite him on the show, but, you know, I'll give you an example.
He had a video clip where, um...
There was a question asked of Ted Cruz, do you think that Ukraine interfered in the US elections?
I think that's what it was.
And Ted Cruz says something to the effect of like, the New York Times reported that they did and so did Politico magazine.
And then you hear a producer bust out laughing on NBC with like Chuck Todd or something.
And then David Pakman starts laughing as well.
And I'm like...
Did you Google this?
Because the New York Times DID report that Ukraine interfered in the U.S.
election.
And Politico DID report that.
So it's not a question of whether I believe it or not.
I don't know.
Politico reported it.
Do you agree with Politico?
Do you think they're lying?
unidentified
Like, I thought Politico were your boys, but now they aren't.
tim pool
But so if David Pakman's response to, like, a fact-based news report from a liberal-leaning publication is to laugh at them, I can only just say, like, he doesn't know what's going on at all.
unidentified
And if he does, he doesn't care.
phil labonte
That's the reality.
The point of the laughing was to delegitimize it.
It wasn't to address anything that it would have said.
tim pool
Right, but that implies David Pakman is willfully manipulating his audience to help Democrats win.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yes, I guess I like him.
I mean, I think he's kind of a Normal guy that cares a lot about politics, but I'm a guy that lies a little bit too much I've never seen him lie directly.
I'll send you a little personally, but uh, okay if you yeah, if he lies then, you know, so be it but I would still It's been 15 years coming David get over here.
tim pool
It'd be a better show for the culture war podcast, you know, we'll invite him out but I also say this like David hosts his own show.
It is very difficult and, to a certain degree, unreasonable to ask someone, hey, stop doing your daily show to come do mine instead.
It's like, oh, come on, it's not fair.
ian crossland
We gotta hit a grand slam if he's gonna come by.
tim pool
We gotta figure something out there.
But if he wants to come on, you know, Hasan as well.
Culture War show would be fantastic.
unidentified
Hasan will never come near you.
I mean, a hundred feet near you.
ian crossland
You gotta manifest that he will.
tim pool
Hasan will come.
I'll be completely honest.
The reason Hasan won't come on this show is because he doesn't know enough about any of this stuff.
unidentified
Right.
He just acts like he does.
And his audience eats it up.
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah.
And David Pakman, I genuinely believe... David Pakman might actually come on the show.
Kyle Kalinske would for sure do it.
Kyle's a good dude.
I really like Kyle Kalinske.
He would definitely come on the show.
It's just with Kyle, we've talked to him before, and it's like, he's like, hey, I host my own show.
I'm kind of busy, but we'll try and find time to make it work.
I'm like, that'd be so cool.
We're fans.
But it's funny because, you know, Kyle's a lefty guy.
Jimmy Dore is a lefty guy.
Jimmy Dore, of course, is very anti-establishment.
But there's no issue with getting these honest actors when they're, like, Jimmy Dore's wrong about some stuff.
Totally cool.
I love Jimmy.
And Kyle Clancy's great.
But they're just like, yeah, I'd love to come out.
We try to find time to make it work.
These other guys who are a bit duplicitous are always just too busy and just can't make it work.
unidentified
It's weird how that works.
It's the guys that Let's read some more.
PowderPZ says, Tim, I said it when I called in a few weeks ago.
This will be the last election.
I don't know.
and they know that they're obviously wrong in their views and that they can't answer the questions
when pushed about it, they're never gonna come on.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Powder PZ says, Tim, I said it when I called in a few weeks ago, this will be the last election.
I don't know.
Let's say that like an election happens in 2024 and it's hard to know whether it is actually an election.
Like, when we say election, we mean free and fair, and two candidates argue, and then the people make the decision.
And we don't feel like 2024 is gonna be like that.
If Trump wins...
there'll be an election in 2028.
unidentified
Hmm?
tim pool
Yeah.
They'll clean the voter rolls.
I mean, if Trump wins, they clean the voter rolls, they clean up election security,
you vote on election day as per the Constitution, one person, one vote, etc.
All that stuff happens, and then election happens.
Just like normal.
2028.
If Joe Biden wins, however, I'm not so sure what happens.
ian crossland
I feel like they're setting us up for a one-world government, and they're like, we cannot let go of the power right now.
unidentified
I mean, you look at the UN agenda, you see all the one-world governments.
It is coming into fruition, absolutely.
phil labonte
The UN, and that's part of what the whole, what CBDC, that's part of the reason why they want to have a CBDC, so that way they can control the money because the NGOs like the UN, the WEF, the International Monetary Fund, stuff like that, they would like to see the governments of Europe and the United States of West have far more control over the people, and eventually they would like to see a one-world government.
unidentified
Yes, that is true.
And that's always been the plan.
tim pool
Travis Delaney says Vivek was on David Pakman today and Vivek called him out for making lazy arguments watch
phil labonte
All right, he just keeps getting better and better. I was literally driving when I was driving in today. I was
listening to Vivek and David Pakman on but it was Adam and sitch
ian crossland
going on.
phil labonte
Those guys are great.
ian crossland
Yeah, Adam and Sitch.
tim pool
How did it seem?
phil labonte
Should we check it out?
How long was it?
With Adam and Sitch, their stuff is usually multiple hours.
tim pool
No, but do you know how long Vivek and Pacman's thing was?
phil labonte
I don't know, no.
tim pool
I'd imagine it was probably decently long.
ian crossland
I also was on Adam and Sitch's show.
I called him Adam and Stitch.
phil labonte
Yeah, wrong.
ian crossland
Sorry, buddy.
It's Sitch.
Like Situation.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Now you know.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Let's grab, what do we got?
Waffle Sense says, only three indictments?
I want my president to have 100 indictments when we elect him in 2024.
It would be bigly.
unidentified
I mean, at this rate, you might get that, honestly.
Careful what you wish for.
ian crossland
They let Sam Finkman freed out.
They dropped one of his charges.
tim pool
Iggy the Incubus says, let's say none of the lawfare stops Trump.
They already shattered precedent by indicting him.
Assassinating presidents is more normal for these people.
Yeah, but as much as, like, RFK's mentioned that, we're well beyond that.
Because we've talked about it quite a bit.
They canonize.
They make martyrs of these people.
And so, physical assassinations have gone away, except in the most extreme circumstances, like, you know, say, Libya or Iraq.
Now it's all about destroy someone's character so that no one can look up to what they propose.
ian crossland
They also do subtle stuff like heart attack gun, the CIA working on that.
They don't want it to look like an assassination, plane crash.
unidentified
I mean it's very easy with the technology we have now to make any death look like an accident.
ian crossland
Alex Jones was saying he was afraid that it would be Trump would go down in a plane crash.
unidentified
Well, I mean, and I'm still waiting for, I mean, there's that one Simpson scene, man, where you got Trump in that coffin in his, you know, in his famous suit.
I feel that they're right pretty consistently.
ian crossland
I feel dirty about this, man, because Donald, I don't, you don't deserve this kind of crap, dude.
Me talking about, fantasizing about all that.
No, man, you do you, dude.
tim pool
All right, Kyle Miller says, I find it funny that Tim thinks Harry, Chris, or any TikTok for Biden is going to be drafted.
I'm sure they will be exempt from it.
I completely disagree.
unidentified
You know what?
tim pool
These guys are expendable media spots.
unidentified
They're foot soldiers.
Propagandists.
That's it.
tim pool
They exist to sell the Democratic Party.
If they don't get drafted, it damages the credibility of the machine.
The machine will sacrifice these guys in two seconds to sell a draft.
And they will make them do it with smiles on their faces.
You'll get a video of Harry and Chris wearing their military uniforms being like, we're doing the right thing for our country.
Why aren't you?
And they're gonna be filming TikToks being deployed in the plane.
They're gonna be like, this is what it means to fight for your country and believe in America.
unidentified
Well, you know, they probably will never see combat, right?
But it's just going to be the Ukraine situation with the girls.
You know, in the same with like the IDF in Israel, they always post the videos of these girls fully kitted out or they're dancing, things like that to make it more appealing.
Like, oh, this is what war is.
And they're going to be the propaganda TikTok guys of the war.
Exactly.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what we got here.
Nathan C says, I think DeSantis' campaign is doing great.
Did you see Trump's small audience and eerie PA this week?
No, but if DeSantis' poll's tanking, his donors bailing, and them laying off a bunch of staff is doing great, then I got a bridge to sell you.
unidentified
And a sonogram video.
I think, yeah, I don't think he's doing so great.
tim pool
Yeah, it's crazy.
phil labonte
I think that that's the nail in the coffin.
ian crossland
No, wait, it was a son and Freud, isn't it?
You said sonogram.
unidentified
No, sonagrad.
ian crossland
Sonagrad?
unidentified
That's what it was.
ian crossland
Okay, thanks.
Sonagrad.
tim pool
Sonnenrad.
unidentified
Sonnenrad.
Yeah, Sonnenrad.
ian crossland
There it is.
We will grab more superchats.
tim pool
Jim Anson says, six years as an army ranger, five deployments to Afghanistan.
No matter how much tech you think you have, you always need a human with a rifle and grenades to seize territory.
unidentified
You always need the meat grinder.
phil labonte
If he has a line on grenades, please let me know.
tim pool
Drones can't occupy street corners.
And that's the important thing.
What do we got here?
Rath says, GrandThumb YouTube channel did a video where they tested the drone warfare seen in Ukraine.
They are veterans and share some interesting views.
unidentified
You should have him on.
He is awesome.
He's very outspoken.
Get GrandThumb.
But he is genuinely amazing and he's recently started to come out and say, you know, what is a cancelable offense?
I mean, about everything going on, I think he'd be an awesome guest.
It's Garanthum.
It's very smart.
It's Garanthum.
tim pool
I have one of those.
ian crossland
Dude's got balls of steel.
You know, I don't feel good.
tim pool
No, that's never happened.
ian crossland
We should definitely have that guy on.
phil labonte
I don't know him, but I know people that know him.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Back in the days when they had clips and not magazines.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, people still say clip and not magazine.
I've done that a couple times back in the day.
What do we got?
Timothy Bond says, have y'all talked about the illegal lab they found in California with COVID mice?
phil labonte
No, what is that?
tim pool
We didn't, but yeah, they found a Chinese bio lab in California.
phil labonte
We mentioned it last night.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
It was like Chinese infiltrating the United States.
ian crossland
I didn't know you were referencing that.
unidentified
What?
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
When did that happen?
phil labonte
They found it recently, but it's been here for at least, you know, a year, a couple years or something like that.
I don't know.
ian crossland
They're testing COVID on mice?
phil labonte
I'm not sure.
tim pool
Right.
K-Toth Swiss says, I'm seeing this projecting smear attempt recently increasing, recently
increasingly more by the left.
You know the leftist tactic of accusing your opponent that of which you are guilty of.
Nice try, loser.
And I think that's a reference to the dude who said we were projecting because, you know,
we're a man or whatever.
Yeah, you guys are projecting.
DeSantis' campaign is crumbling.
He laid off a ton of people.
They overhired.
They've got all this negative press.
It is not going well.
The polls are tanking.
It's just, it's unfortunate, man.
It's crazy how quickly he just, out the gate, was on top, and then... He was on fire, and now... On fire.
unidentified
Yeah, on fire, but not in a good way.
tim pool
Yeah, he was on fire, and now his campaign's on fire.
That's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, the O-ring fell off the campaign.
tim pool
In reference to Vivek, FireSky says, and now he went up by 35 points.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Vivek is team forward the line.
Vivek's great, man.
unidentified
Well, and as this video gets more views, too, I mean, because this is the first day it's been out, it's been out for a few hours, it's only going to keep going up.
phil labonte
I'm pretty confident that if Vivek were the nominee, I would vote for him.
unidentified
Yeah, 100%.
I would 100% vote for him.
tim pool
Nathan C. says, DeSantis responded today to the indictment.
As president, I will end the weaponization of government, replace the FBI director, and ensure a single standard of justice for all Americans.
unidentified
Oh, great.
phil labonte
Just the director?
tim pool
Just the director, because we saw how great that works out in the Well, to be fair, Vivek didn't say he would remove anybody.
And so, it's like, okay, I can respect it, but, like, it's more than just that, right?
The DeSantis campaign is having a bunch of critical errors.
I want DeSantis to succeed.
We want more competition in this primary field.
And DeSantis has got a great record in Florida.
But if his supporters keep ignoring all the problems, plugging their ears, and saying, la la la, everything's fine, then you lose.
And fine, go ahead, I don't care.
Yo, I'll say it again.
DeSantis needs to fire Christina Pusha.
Like, I'm just, I'm flabbergasted he's not getting rid of this person who's flubbed everything.
unidentified
I'm interested to see if she responds to these clips that come out.
tim pool
Well, I tweeted it earlier!
And I'm just like, I avoided saying anything, I said it a little bit when the deepfake thing happened, and now it's just like after reading the semaphore piece where she's in this chat, she's the rapid response director, and they put out some of these videos, they put out the deepfake video, their team, she knows what's going on.
Are they just firing everyone around her for some reason?
She's clearly doing a bad job.
Sounds like they're friends.
Absolutely.
And Jeremy Redfern?
He's not even with the campaign.
He's in the governor's staff in Florida.
unidentified
Yeah, he got moved positions.
tim pool
But then you also have Brian Griffin.
You have these communications people that are just...
burning the whole thing to the ground.
And DeSantis is like, this is fine.
unidentified
Well, you got you got Trump saying Ashley Babbitt was murdered and then you have one of DeSantis's number one guys saying she f'd around and found out.
So there's a huge disparity of communication.
tim pool
When I reached out to Redfern and said, are you guys really standing by this deepfake?
He said something about it being like, it's just a meme.
ian crossland
Yeah, well that's the- in regards to burning the campaign down, there's one way to do it is setting the fire yourself.
Christina, you obviously didn't do that.
Another way is if you're in the building and it's burning around you and you just sit there and don't do anything about it, you're essentially- No, she set the fires.
You may not be the one burning it down, but you're allowing it to burn down.
tim pool
She set the fires.
ian crossland
Whether or not you did, if you're found there...
tim pool
I genuinely think it was the rug burn picture.
unidentified
It was that, and then the George Soros one is really what tipped it over into full-blown
just attack everybody.
tim pool
Just look at Twitter search, but there's a lot of personalities saying that she began
attacking allies and friends around this time.
And it's like, we had been speaking with her about coming on the show.
She said, yeah, she'd love to do it in the future.
We're big fans of DeSantis.
We want to do an interview with him.
And then all of a sudden, one day, she's just attacking me on Twitter.
unidentified
Man.
You know, it's interesting.
You wonder if there's any, you know, like third-party influence there, because she used to be the girl.
She used to be the person that stood up to the media, that really just laid it down.
And everybody loved her.
Everybody's sharing clips of her.
It's always going viral.
She was another version of, basically, Kayleigh McEnany.
She was awesome.
And then now, all of a sudden, Complete flip-flop.
So you wonder if there's any, uh, you know, third party influence in that.
tim pool
Video guy says Trump has a video response out.
We'll, we'll, what we'll do is in the members segment, we'll, uh, we'll jump to the video and then we'll, we'll start addressing it.
So we got a couple more minutes.
We'll read a couple more super chats.
Alright, Noah Sanders says, did you see that Cenk was on the PatrickBetDavid podcast?
I love how he's more afraid of Tim and you all than he is of PatrickBetDavid.
unidentified
Ugar?
Was he talking about intercourse with horses again?
I know he likes to do that.
tim pool
I hope so.
phil labonte
I love that reference.
tim pool
I think the issue with PBD, it's like an entrepreneurial podcast.
It's not overtly political, but they talk politics.
This is a political show where we do nothing but read the news.
And we pull up sources for all of our stories.
Whenever we launch a story, I'm like, here's the article from this source.
And we always use NewsGuard certified sources, despite the fact that NewsGuard is heavily criticized by the right.
We do it for that reason.
This is the reason why they don't want to come on this show.
Because what we say is backed by their institutions and their sources.
We're not making it up.
They can't rebut it.
ian crossland
Yeah, if it's framed as a show where you're going to go in and get talked to about politics you're not familiar with, I understand why people are like, well, I'll do that when I'm ready.
unidentified
Well, I mean, you can see how the service guy did on here.
tim pool
And if Jen comes on the show and says, it's not true, Biden didn't do this, and I play the video, how is he going to go back on his show and maintain the lie?
He can't.
He'll lose followers.
He'll lose money.
They can't do it.
ian crossland
Anna should come on.
She's been pretty vocal.
She's fed up with nonsense right now.
unidentified
It's actually, that's been interesting watching her character development because it does actually seem genuine.
You know, she's more so straying and she's getting so much hate from it.
phil labonte
There was dudes that actually put their hands on her.
Whoa!
unidentified
What?
phil labonte
So, the thing that initiated Anna Kasparian's stuff is she was walking her dog and there were two dudes that looked like they were homeless dudes outside of her house or something like that.
And when she bent over or something like that to do something, to grab the dog or whatever, and one of the dudes walked up behind him and basically did the whole, like, you know, pelvic thrust.
And then they kept walking.
Nothing happened to her after that.
But it's like, she was like, okay, this has now actually come home.
The problem of homeless people around and lawlessness has actually affected her.
unidentified
She understood that the policies that she was promoting, in turn, it actually affected her for once.
And that was her wake-up point, it seemed like.
phil labonte
And it's not just that, though.
There's other things that she's... That was the first thing, but then there were other things where she felt like people on the left were gaslighting her about things.
She went and she looked into Kyle Rittenhouse stuff and realized that she had been actively...
telling people things that were completely wrong and she's had a kind of an awakening where she's like, I didn't know that I was wrong.
You know, and that speaks volumes when one of the one of the more influential voices on the left, not only has come out and said, hey, I was wrong with this, this and this, but I was spreading this as if it was real.
And now she's getting attacked ruthlessly by tons of people on the left.
Personally, I feel bad for Anna getting the for being the recipient of the attacks, but I'm glad to see
the left behaving the way that they normally behave in attacking her.
tim pool
Well, maybe we'll see if she's willing to come on the Culture War podcast.
phil labonte
That'd be great.
tim pool
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We're going to pull up Trump's response and then talk more about this, and then take calls from you.
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unidentified
Yeah, just follow me at TaylorUSA.
It's T-A-Y-L-E-R-U-S-A on Twitter.
That's the platform that I use the most.
And, you know, Instagram's USA underscore Taylor.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twitter, or X if you're the cutting edge person.
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The band is All That Remains, available on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, the YouTubes, you know the places.
ian crossland
And I'm Ian Crossland.
If you're watching, it's right here behind me at iancrosslandanywhere on social media.
If you're listening, it's phonetic.
Well, maybe it's not, but find me on the internet somewhere, anywhere.
Hit me up on X, hit me up on Mines.
I love you guys.
Great conversation, Taylor.
Always a pleasure, man.
unidentified
Absolutely.
We're going to get you jacked, Ian.
ian crossland
We sure are.
Thanks for the inspiration.
We've been DMing on Twitter about working out.
It's building muscles.
So let's keep it up.
unidentified
And, uh, move on.
Yeah, uh, this is good seeing you as well, Taylor.
Always a pleasure.
Always.
And, uh, I am gonna continue to call it Bird App.
I am at Surge.com.
I hope to see you guys there.
Be fun to argue.
phil labonte
Are you gonna call it Letter App?
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
I'm not gonna call it Letter App.
It's Bird App forever.
Alright, everybody.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
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