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Timcast IRL - Cocaine Found In White House, Biden LAUGHS It Off w/Matt Braynard
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tim pool
We are back from the 4th of July holiday and you know I made a mistake on Friday I said
we were going to be back on Monday and then immediately was corrected after the show ended
And I was like, oh crap.
You know what the thing is?
You will not be able to get guests on July 3rd or 4th because nobody's gonna want to travel right before the 4th and nobody wants to do a late night show on the 4th when there's fireworks going off and people have gotten out of work and there's burgers.
So I was just like, let's just take the opportunity and celebrate America.
But there's a lot of news.
So they found cocaine at the White House in the West Wing, where the Oval Office is.
Joe Biden's laughing about it.
And I'm just, look, they're trying to make it seem like it might have been a tourist or something.
You're not getting cocaine at the White House past security if you're just a tourist.
So, of course, everybody's suggesting maybe Hunter Biden.
Maybe, maybe.
I honestly think it's probably somebody with high enough clearance where they're not being stopped by security, but we'll talk about this.
We'll get into that news.
We've got some news from the past week.
Ron DeSantis, when he did that, when the DeSantis campaign posted that ad, About Trump being pro-LGBT or whatever.
DeSantis is actually getting a lot of flack for this in Peaky Blinders.
That's what it's called, right?
Peaky Blinders?
Yeah, it's the show.
They've come out and publicly denounced the DeSantis campaign over this ad.
DeSantis' campaign didn't even make, they just reposted.
But I think this one's particularly interesting.
And then we've got a bunch of other news.
But one big story.
A couple.
There's a Bud Light bottling plant is shutting down.
Two plants, actually.
645 employees are being laid off because Bud Light sales have tanked so much, they can't handle the volume anymore.
So, wow.
And we definitely gotta talk about Sound of Freedom.
If you guys haven't seen it, I really do recommend it.
It's an amazing movie.
It's about trafficking.
Jim Caviezel.
We went and saw it last night, so we'll talk about that.
And it's rivaling Indiana Jones.
It was released on a Tuesday, not for the weekend, but for Tuesday.
Sound of Freedom is just short of Indiana Jones' take.
So that's actually quite amazing.
I'm really impressed with that and really excited.
So we'll get into all that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Matt Brainerd.
matt braynard
Glad to be back.
Thanks for having me, Tim.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Who are you?
What do you do?
matt braynard
Oh, I'm just a mere community organizer and civil rights organizer fighting for a good fight for the January 6th prisoners fighting to get election integrity restored in the country and on the side helping out campaigns here and there.
tim pool
Right on.
We got Phil LaBonte hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, everyone.
I am Phil LaBonte, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist, and counter-revolutionary.
ian crossland
I swear that was not my cocaine at the White House, Serge.
Ian, you don't do cocaine.
Sorry.
Hi, Ian Crossland, and I do not do cocaine.
I have done cocaine in the past, I will admit, but I do not do that stuff anymore.
phil labonte
I imagine you're a mushrooms guy.
ian crossland
Way better.
I think if you do it in the right dosage.
It's really, when you talk about drugs, you want to talk about dosage.
Isn't it Nixon that created this whole drugs thing and put them all into this basket of, like, forever chemical liquids?
matt braynard
Crocodile works great if you microdose it.
tim pool
None of that stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah, none of that.
tim pool
It's really sad to see, like, all over West Virginia they have these, like, emergency treatment things for the drugs and how it's really damaged everybody.
Crocodile and people Let's talk about Hunter Biden's problem.
ian crossland
Yeah, because other chemicals, they call them drugs and they're nowhere near as dangerous.
So let's just move on.
matt braynard
When I heard this story, my mind immediately went to the disparity of justice in this country.
How many people are sitting in prison right now because the exact same amount of cocaine was found somewhere near them in their car, in their home, and when it comes to the White House?
Oh, they're just laughing about it.
They're making jokes.
ian crossland
There's a video that circulates of Joe Biden being like, if they're found within this much crack, prison!
And it's like the same amount and then it shows Hunter with like rocks on it.
tim pool
We'll get it in the news!
ian crossland
Yeah, let's introduce our man over here to the right.
serge du preez
Yeah, I'm just laughing about that.
It was pretty funny.
It's good news.
And like I said, Trump's White House had Coke all over the place, you know, pretty openly.
It's not Diet Coke though, it's not the same thing.
Anyways, let's get to it.
tim pool
Here's the first story.
We got it from TimCast.com.
Cocaine found in the White House prompts evacuation.
If it's the old executive office building, it's likely staff, tweeted Ari Fleischer.
If it's the mansion, it's likely Hunter.
This is amazing.
The White House was evacuated around 8.45 p.m.
on July 3rd after the substance was discovered by members of the Secret Service Uniformed Division during a routine patrol of the building.
The item was sent for further evaluation.
In an investigation into the cause and manner of how it entered the White House is pending, the Secret Service said in a subsequent statement per NPR, the agency will review surveillance footage and visitor logs as part of its investigation.
The location of where the cocaine was discovered has become a point of controversy.
Initial reports claimed the drugs were discovered in the ground floor library of the presidential residence.
The Washington Post quoted a dispatch from DC's Department of Hazardous Materials team in which a firefighter stated, we have a yellow bar saying cocaine hydrochloride.
Yeah, I saw this story over the weekend.
It was like hazmat situation.
And I can remember we were talking to but they're like, oh, that sounds like something's actually happening.
Turns out it was cocaine.
And now they're saying it was in the West Wing.
So it's kind of like either way, no matter where it was.
Look, the highest probability is Hunter Biden.
Hands down, no question.
And they've said cocaine, but I'm wondering, could it have been crack or something?
You know, the Timcast article from Hannah Clare mentions his crack cocaine addiction.
We have an update on the story.
Biden laughs off White House cocaine scandal and refuses to answer reporters' questions while Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre suggests drugs found in West Wing belong to a visitor.
I'm sure they did.
This isn't the first time someone's claimed to have done drugs in the White House.
I think Willie Nelson and Snoop Dogg claimed they did.
I was talking about this earlier.
And I was thinking about it, and I could be wrong, but my view of this whole thing is the Founding Fathers probably did a ton of drugs in the White House.
Then there was probably a period from like the early 1900s to like the 70s where there were no drugs in the White House.
And then you started getting probably a lot more drugs in the White House after that.
ian crossland
Oh, John Kennedy, I think.
I bet he partied hard.
He would have Marilyn Monroe over, didn't he?
tim pool
That's true, and she did a ton of drugs.
matt braynard
You know, I don't know because I actually had a good friend of mine who worked with me on the Trump campaign in 16.
She worked very, very hard.
And because of that, she earned a White House job under President Trump.
However, she tested positive for smoking weed, and that was yanked.
No way.
Not getting in here.
I don't know what the standards are for this White House, but I know historically, that has not been tolerated.
tim pool
Dude, if someone came to me and said, Bill Clinton did not do drugs in the White House, I would bust out laughing.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
I just feel different, I guess, back then.
phil labonte
I imagine as president, yeah, but to your point, if you're going to be in the Oval Office and stuff like that, even if you're some kind of clerk or something like that, you have to have some kind of clearance.
And if you have any kind of drug history, or if you lie on the polygraph test, then you can't get a clearance.
So it makes sense that there would be, you know, issues with, like, your average person.
If you're someone higher up, like if you're a chief of staff, or if you're the president, or if you're, you know, someone like that, I imagine you could probably get the Secret Service to overlook or ignore or something like that.
But if it's just your average Like one of the lower tier people that actually has to work for the president or in the office.
I imagine they're getting tested, you know, because they have to have clearance.
tim pool
It's got to be somebody who doesn't have to go through security.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Or someone that has enough clout where if they go through security, security can't be like, yo, you know, weird.
ian crossland
Yeah, because not only could Secret Service overlook it, they might also cover it up.
Be like, hey, terrorism, everyone, look out!
We gotta mask up!
This could be dangerous!
Like, uh, really?
It's cocaine.
tim pool
Nobody who has to go through security is bringing cocaine into the White House.
I just... and what level of staff member has to go through security and would be like,
I've got clout and I have to go to security and they're going to find out I have this but they
ian crossland
can't do anything? No way. I bet there's a lot more than we realize. Just dudes that are addicted
and they're like, I'm not doing another day without it kind of mentality. How does surveillance not
matt braynard
Because the Discord leaker of all those secrets, they found him real fast.
But for some reason they can't immediately figure out who dropped it in a certain room.
There's parts of the White House that are not monitored.
The story is, this is where tourists are allowed.
So there are parts of the White House where a tourist can go, And is not monitored.
Does anyone really buy that?
Yeah, no way.
I think they know.
I'm pretty confident they know exactly whose that belongs to.
Good luck figuring out.
tim pool
And I'm going to say this.
They have surveillance all over that building.
The idea that they do not is insane.
We know they do.
They have men on the roof.
When you go and visit the White House, you can see there's guys up there.
They're watching you.
And they're armed.
matt braynard
And they've got sniper rifles.
tim pool
Yes, they do.
So, if you're going to try and tell me they don't have surveillance in that building, that is untrue.
So I'm going to say this.
That suggests they know who did it, are covering it up, therefore it was Hunter Biden.
I mean to say this, let's clarify.
I'm not saying I really believe it was Hunter, I don't know.
I'm just saying, until they actually come out and say whose it was, I am just going to say it was Hunter because, you know, Occam's razor.
You got a crack addict, drug addict guy, with access to the White House, to the degree he will not be stopped by security, they know who he is, the President's son, as probably his.
matt braynard
You know, whether it's Hunter Biden or somebody else, what we do know for a fact is there's two tiers of justice.
Just like Hunter Biden got treated very gently with his prosecution for his crimes that other people are suffering badly for, losing their families in jail for.
Possession of cocaine in a place like that.
Anybody else, even in your house, in your car, you park your car next to the White House and they find that in you, in your car, you are, you're in a world of pain, but the White House, one of the protected people, two-tiered justice, we're just gonna laugh it off.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Jack Posobiec said he thought there's actually three tiered justices, and this is a little bit of an aside, but that there's the protected class, there's the plebs, the regular people, like everyone else, you know, and then there's the persecuted class, which is like a unique class, like Julian Assange, or at the moment Donald Trump.
matt braynard
Or Jay Sixers.
ian crossland
Exactly.
I guess so, yeah.
Where it's like, it doesn't really matter what you've done, they wanna, it's just, it's personal, kind of class of people.
tim pool
There's the persecuted, the protected, and then the we don't care.
Though we don't care, people can get scooped up and pushed around sometimes, and sometimes they get ignored.
There might be someone who committed a crime, and they're like, oh, I don't know about this, whatever.
Then you have the protected, the political elites and their cronies and their followers and worshippers.
And then you, of course, have the persecuted, the people like the woman in Alaska whose home was raided because she looked like a woman who went in the Capitol building.
That's crazy.
matt braynard
You know, I actually went to the D.C.
Gulag.
I was allowed in to visit a prisoner.
And just the fact, just going in was completely dehumanizing.
If you ever want to come in, I can get you in, too.
But I went there to meet a guy named William Cressman.
This is a great example of what Jack was talking about.
This guy has not been charged with any violence.
He's a military veteran.
He's not been charged with conspiracy or organizing anything.
He's just a guy who showed up.
He was arrested in January 2021.
He still doesn't have a trial date.
unidentified
Wow.
matt braynard
And they have denied him his psychiatric medicine.
They have trashed, he's tried to keep journals and they just come through and throw all his papers away.
He's not been given, he has two daughters that he had not seen for all for those two years plus two young daughters and he was finally going to get to see them the week after I was in to visit him and that is just whatever the wildest thing in the world they want to accuse him of that they might even charge him with he would have already had time served but they're keeping him in there in dire conditions still not a trial date military veteran not charged with any violence because they can't because because not of what he did but because of what he believed and that's a great example of what Jack Posobiec is talking about
ian crossland
Is this the indefinite detention because of the clause and, like, what, the NDAA, I think?
tim pool
No, it's worse.
This is unjustified constitutional violations.
matt braynard
Speedy trial, man.
It's right there.
tim pool
Where are we at?
Is someone going to file a lawsuit or something to get some movement on this?
matt braynard
You know, he's been doing his best.
His lawyer's been doing his best, but they just keep blowing... Like I said, not even a trial date.
Not even bail.
He's a clean record.
He's a military veteran.
He fought for this country overseas.
And you know, the only thing that I've been... Look, I've been doing a lot of things on this field.
The last thing we have decided is that the only person who's really going to be able to make an effect on this is the next president.
So we've launched a project called the J6 Question.
We're paying $1,000 to anybody who will ask one of our presidential candidates what they're going to do for the J6 prisoners.
And I'm very happy to say that today we actually cut our first check for $1,000.
We announced the project two weeks ago.
Somebody asked Asia Hutchinson.
Got it on video.
We've been presenting it.
So the only person who can really fix this is the next president.
So we're going to get them on the record now so voters can be informed going to the ballot box in terms of how these people are going to handle what I believe is the greatest civil rights violation of our day.
ian crossland
How many people are in prison right now from January 6th?
matt braynard
We've got 141.
In fact, there were 42 people just arrested last month, and the DOJ has plans for another thousand to be arrested.
There are a lot of them that are still in jail without a trial date, without any opportunity for bail, and they're just hanging out there.
ian crossland
How many people have been let go or have been released?
matt braynard
Quite a few, quite a few hundred.
The thing is, and this is the most disgusting part of it to me, is that the Department of Justice's attitude is that you might be able to beat the charges but you can't beat the ride and you can't afford it.
So a lot of people are just taking a plea agreement to just get out of it even though they're not guilty.
And in fact, I really have to admire William Cressman because he was offered a plea agreement.
He had to do two things.
He had to agree to the two lesser charges and he had to condemn President Trump.
and say that President Trump was the one that made him do it.
And he said, that's just not true.
And I'm not going to admit to something that isn't true.
So he has put himself through this like a martyr.
And I cannot wait for the day that he gets out and that he can tell his story publicly.
Because that was the ask.
You have to condemn President Trump.
And you have to plead to these other charges.
I'm not guilty of any of it.
ian crossland
Dude, that's that like that Chinese version.
I don't want to blame the Chinese, but that weird like communism.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
What's that that tactic where they make you they come in and make you say things that you know aren't true to break you and then they're like re-education kind of mentality.
I've never heard of that in the United States before.
This is the first time.
Maybe they did to the Japanese internment prisoners during World War II.
matt braynard
Well, what they want to do is they're using these people as pawns in hopes that they turn on President Trump.
Because if they say, oh, I did it because President Trump told me, that makes it easier for them, the prosecution, to go after President Trump and say, hey, we got all these people telling them that you did this because... Haven't people already done that, though?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There are a handful of people who are like, oh, it was Trump's fault.
matt braynard
But remember, that's under severe duress, right?
Because they're getting a deal because of it.
ian crossland
A lot of people think that Trump hasn't done enough to help those people.
tim pool
What could he do?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Do you get that vibe?
What do you think he could do?
matt braynard
I don't know what he's done behind the scenes, but what I do know is the only person who can really do anything is the next president.
And that's the only person who's got any ability to move this.
And look, my take on it is that they should be given blanket pardons, especially because the vast majority of these people have not been charged with violence.
ian crossland
You think it's the next president, so for two years these people are just screwed like Biden?
Do you think there's any hope?
matt braynard
Well, a little less than two years, like a year and a half.
ian crossland
Is that what you told the guy when you went in?
What was the guy's name again?
matt braynard
William Cressman.
And look, we have a J6 database at lookaheadamerica.org.
We have the most comprehensive database of everybody that's been charged, and it tells you whether they're arrested or anything like that.
So if you want to help William Cressman, you can look him up there and send his attorneys some money on his GiveSendGo.
The good thing is the public's now on our side because the plurality of people agree that these people are in fact political prisoners.
But the Biden administration does not care.
And the FBI who are persecuting these people and the DOJ, they do not care because there's no accountability.
There's nothing you can do to stop them other than make an informed decision about the next president.
tim pool
People love it when I say the magic words, civil war.
But let's think about where we're at.
At the very least, it may be a Bleeding Kansas type phase.
You know, before... and maybe I'm wrong.
In the 1820s, there was talk of civil war over the issue of slavery, economics, and the things around this.
And it wasn't until 40 some odd years later that the war actually broke out.
But we're at a point where federal law enforcement Has... I don't think detained is even the right word.
Renditioned?
People?
Without charge or trial?
That's it.
The Constitution is Swiss cheese.
The idea that the DOJ can take people and hold them now more than two years later, often in solitary, which is torture, without charge or trial.
Come on.
ian crossland
It's insane.
matt braynard
You know, Iran only held our hostages for 444 days.
These people have been in over for 800, still waiting on a trial date.
ian crossland
My guess is that the administration feels like if they're all let out and pardoned that Trump, that they think Trump will actually create a revolution and they think that those people will be the foot soldiers.
phil labonte
And that's like such a dumb... I think it's just intimidating other people.
I really think that the reason that the people that are still in prison for the J6 riot and stuff is just because they want the rest of America to be like, Well, you know, they're not going to observe or respect your rights.
They're going to hold you in violation of the Fifth Amendment, your right to a speedy trial and stuff.
They're just going to Run roughshod over the constitution.
If the federal government feels it's acceptable to kill a US citizen because they have a suspicion that they're a terrorist or because they don't like some of the things that they were saying, then I don't think that it's ridiculous to think that the government wants to use its power to intimidate other Americans, you know?
ian crossland
Yeah, I fully agree with that, man.
They don't want anyone to riot.
They don't want anyone to even protest at the White House.
I don't think they want anyone near it.
phil labonte
I don't know about anyone.
They just don't want the right to.
Because if it was the left, they would let by.
If it was Antifa, I mean, there's history.
There is a past history demonstrably that they will not arrest.
People on the left in the same manner and with the same vigor and with the same malice that they arrest people on the right.
There were people rioting all over Washington, D.C.
Was it the 29th of May of 2000 or whatever?
unidentified
Or 2020?
phil labonte
Was it May 29th, I think?
I think 29th, whatever.
or 2020, what was the when they- It was May 29th, I think.
I think 29th, whatever.
tim pool
529.
But the people- I talk about this a lot.
The reason why Blackstone's formulation was so important, the reason why we have the right to a speedy trial,
innocent until proven guilty, it's the founding fathers believed that
if people could be held criminally in prison or jail, even if they were innocent,
there would be no incentive to be a good citizen if at any point you could be arrested.
This is why it's better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.
Because if people believe, if I'm truly a good person, the system will protect me, now we can see the inversion of that.
They don't care, but here's the important point.
If people start to believe, and unfortunately it's true, that no matter what you do, The Biden administration, the cult, these evil depraved people are going to use the weight of force against you.
There is no incentive to negotiate.
The point is, this is the behavior that, like any other domino collapse, leads to governmental collapse.
You can see it in all these other countries.
What happens in Syria?
You get protesters.
The Assad regime, whatever you want to call it, says, we are going to stop these people.
Creating a backlash.
Occupy Wall Street, best example.
About a thousand, two thousand people are marching down the street.
Anthony Bologna, the cop, walks up to three random women who were not a part of the march and pepper sprays them because they were yelling.
The video goes viral.
The fastest viral video in history at that point.
1.2 million views in less than a day, in like 12 hours.
Igniting Occupy Wall Street across the country.
When law enforcement uses heavy-handed tactics, it is a spark on kindling.
And what scares me about what we're seeing with the Biden administration and the J6ers is that it's sending a message to people not to be scared of them, but that they are illegitimate.
They will not follow the rule of law.
They will not give you a fair trial.
Therefore, there is no system by which you are involved.
It is no different than a group of muggers beating you mercilessly in the street.
There's no rhyme or reason other than they want to assert power over you.
This is one more domino falling over towards a potential civil war in this country.
ian crossland
Yeah, you know, this is why I use the word dumb when I talk about these tactics of like,
they're afraid these people will become Trump's foot soldiers if they're all let out and pardoned.
The back, the problem is you're creating the problem that you're afraid of by
incarcerating them against their without a trial or without even a charge because it's
radicalizing them in prison. And when they come out, their families will remember and
their friends will remember and you're radicalizing an entire population and an entire
50 years worth of people by violating their constitutional rights.
You need to trust the populace.
Maybe being in the government is not a realm of trust.
You're afraid and you're always on the defensive perhaps.
matt braynard
That's part of why I don't run in that way.
History shows that there's It's a silver lining to this because how many of the great leaders who've done wonderful things for their country at some point in their early life were political prisoners?
Like Mandela or Martin Luther King or in India Veer Savarkar.
That's a pattern throughout history of great positive revolutionary leaders at some point crossed a civil disobedience line or crossed the administration and and ended up in prison and that you can see that in countries all over the world.
I don't think we're quite at civil war yet and I'm gonna because here's the real here's the problem as I see it as a community organizer somebody that does voter registration and voter turnout in the Georgia Senate runoff.
In the urban counties, the progressive urban counties, turnout was in the mid-80s.
In the rural counties, where I think at least as many voters are, turnout was in the mid-50s.
And there you have the outcome of the election.
If turnout in those rural counties was anywhere close to the urban areas, Those people would have a louder voice, but unfortunately they do not turn out, they're not part of the ballot harvesting machine, they're not part of the voting culture, and that's where I'm putting my effort to try to change.
I wouldn't do too well in a civil war, I've got terrible vision, but in terms of community organizing and in elections, I think it's there if we just have to seize it.
And you know, our constituency is disaffected, patriotic Americans of rural and blue-collar backgrounds, and the best example of somebody like this from history is Dorothy from Wizard of Oz.
From a poor background, probably her family didn't own that farm.
They were at the whims of much more powerful forces in the economy and in the government.
And she was just blown off with a tornado to some foreign land where she had absolutely no control and no power.
But what she realized by the end is that she had the power all along in her ruby slippers and she just needed to tap them together and say, home sweet home.
If we can just get our people in the same way to recognize if they cast those ballots, an informed ballot, and get engaged with the process, they can solve their problems.
ian crossland
How do you feel about voting machines?
Like, I'm very concerned about proprietary voting machines where we can't see the code, so we don't know if they're flipping vote tallies in the background.
How do you foresee a solution to at least create transparency so that we know for sure that it's giving us accurate vote tallies?
matt braynard
So I have documented cases where the voting machines made a mistake.
And there was a county where this happened.
It was caught and it was fixed.
But what I think is the solution long term is to insist on open source voting equipment.
You know, pan count, that's technically open source.
And even if you don't believe, because, you know, all these Democrats and leftists were saying before 2020 that, oh, I see these machines changing votes right in front of my eyes.
Kamala Harris said that herself.
There's a documentary on HBO.
Now they're all denying it.
But even if you don't believe that, there's a lot of good reasons to switch to open source voting equipment, which is that it's a hell of a lot cheaper.
It's like half the cost.
And when you get proprietary equipment, you're locked into that company maintaining it, fixing it, updating it forever.
And that gets very expensive.
It's a monopoly.
Whereas if it's open source, you can have an in-state tech company and create in-state jobs to maintain it and update it.
And I'll tell you, it's really more of a Republican issue now, but there was a Democrat in Congress who was a scientist, and he actually proposed a law Mandating that all voting equipment be open source.
So even in places like California, we're making progress on that front.
And honestly, I have not seen any evidence of machines intentionally changing the outcome of a vote, and I've seen a lot of evidence to the contrary.
But it's really about restoring trust of the public.
They need to believe it.
They need to have a Matt Brainerd walk in and see, oh yes, these machines are correct, the code is right, it's doing what it says it can do, to restore their trust in the voting system.
And I think that's why so many on the left oppose it, is because they don't want the trust restored, because they want people discouraged from voting.
tim pool
Let's jump into this next story.
I do want to come back to the voting stuff, but I want to work through some of this campaign news.
We have this story from NBC News.
Peaky Blinders and Cillian Murphy denounce homophobic video shared by DeSantis' campaign.
The video uses footage from various films, shows, and media outlets to depict the Florida governor taking extreme anti-LGBTQ positions.
And we have this tweet.
It says, on behalf of the partners of Peaky Blinders, Stephen Knight, Cillian Murphy, Karen Mandebok Productions, Tiger Aspect Productions, and Banajay Writes.
We confirm the footage of Tommy Shelby's character used within the video posted by Ron DeSantis' campaign was obtained without permission or official license.
We do not support nor endorse the video's narrative and strongly disapprove of the use of the content in this manner.
And then we also have this from The Hill.
Republican LGBTQ group blasts DeSantis over homophobic campaign video.
I don't know if they actually post it, but you guys might remember this.
We talked about it last week.
I thought it was cringe.
I don't know.
Did you see this video, Matt?
matt braynard
I saw it.
tim pool
Where it's like Trump with the pride flag and saying, you know, like, we're going to protect our LGBTQ supporter, our LGBT supporters.
And then it starts showing all these news clippings of Ron DeSantis, you know, rejecting a lot of the more modern woke stuff.
My take on it was it's absurd to conflate Donald Trump saying the typical or the more traditional live and let live position with the modern woke grooming position.
Like Trump is not supporting grooming and the stuff that DeSantis is going after now that we support is stopping the exploitation of children.
To conflate those two things to make it seem like Trump supported grooming today is completely wrong but it's resulted in a major backlash where now I'm seeing on Twitter this has been happening for the past week or so we've been out and now even Peaky Blinders coming out and attacking him over it.
I'm not surprised the media and Hollywood or whatever would come after him, but even conservatives are criticizing him for this.
matt braynard
You know, I sort of put on my political consultant hat with this one, and this is just one other case of DeSantis' staff screwing up his chances.
Oh yeah.
No, it wasn't Ron DeSantis that went into the account and retweeted it.
Now look, outside groups create edgy, weird videos to support their candidate all the time.
And that's what happened here.
Some edgy outside group created this, but then somebody who has access to the campaign account saw that, and they thought, oh, let's retweet this one, because then it made something that was an outside group that had distance from the campaign.
Maybe it got a few voters their way, or made people ask questions, oh, how committed is Trump to the anti-groomer agenda?
And then they totally stepped in it.
And basically by retweeting, they took ownership of the video.
And look, I run in the same circles of people that work for DeSantis and all the other campaigns.
And inside, the complaints about his staff screwing up his campaign have been persistent and growing louder going back months.
And here's the problem is that when you're a governor of a state and you win a seat by a large margin because you're a great governor, which he is, and your opponent is terrible, everybody on the staff thinks they're the ones that earned you that 19-point victory.
And in terms of expanding from a governor's race to a national race, which is from T-ball to Major League Baseball, you have to expand that circle of trust.
And what he's done is he's taken a team that didn't really do a lot to get him through a governor's race and now, oh, now we're running a presidential campaign.
And he has to learn to expand his circle of trust to get people who are not going to allow bonehead mistakes like that to happen.
Because, look, there's a lot of stuff going on that has been tremendously detrimental to his campaign.
And it just comes down to staff.
tim pool
It's his staff that screwed up.
It's his campaign press team.
Have been rolling around in it like crazy.
matt braynard
Picking fights with a women's group in New Hampshire because they double-scheduled an event in New Hampshire with the most powerful Republican women's group in the state.
Everyone's saying, oh, we're sorry, we'll move it to a different date or a different time or something like that.
They said, oh, we'll pick a fight with these guys.
ian crossland
What kind of fight?
matt braynard
What'd they do?
A public fight.
ian crossland
Like verbal on Twitter?
matt braynard
Yeah, like that kind of fight.
And there's stuff happening behind the scenes I can't really share, but I'll give you one really good example, okay?
So there's this congressman from Florida, Greg Stube, who was not sure who he was going to endorse.
He hadn't endorsed Trump yet, like most of his colleagues from Florida, right?
And he's up in the air, right?
And he got a phone call.
A member of DeSantis' staff called him to say, hey, can you hold off endorsing President Trump?
Because we'd like to get your endorsement.
Both of you know the problem with that, right?
A staff member calling a member of Congress to back.
Not the governor, a staff member.
This is a guy, this is interesting because this guy, he had an accident.
He fell off a ladder in December or something.
He badly injured himself.
The first person to call him in the emergency room?
tim pool
Trump.
matt braynard
Yes.
And I've got so many friends who are like mid-tier, low-tier influencers who say something cool about President Trump.
Guess what they get?
A FedEx with the tweet with his signature on it saying, keep up the great work.
Like, all candidates have their flaws, but it's just really troubling to see these repeated mistakes.
And Trump's team, they're all on top of something.
tim pool
Trump is the guy.
I went to his rallies in 2015 and 2016.
When the rally was over, he'd walk up to the front of the stage, the barricades, and he would just hang out and shake hands and just talk to whoever was there.
He knows people.
He gets it.
Calling that guy after getting hurt.
It's like an authentic thing to do.
DeSantis has been plastic.
The whole time, his press people are miserably bad.
And I want to show you this real quick.
So put a pin in that thought.
Phil, predict it now has Ron at 24 cents.
He was actually rivaling Trump.
And at some point, if he was above Trump, now he's gone.
It's gone.
phil labonte
Matt, do you think that, because as far as I can tell, the strategy that DeSantis has is to attack Trump from the right.
Do you think that that's a winning strategy?
matt braynard
I'm not sure that that is his strategy.
I think it's been different things at different times, which is part of the problem.
Look, it was going to be an uphill battle to begin with, and I think what was a little bit unexpected was that the indictments would actually—and first, I could see this, I'm sure everyone at this table could see this—but the indictments were actually very helpful to consolidating the base to Trump, and they did something else, is they sucked all the oxygen out of the air for all the other candidates.
Right?
Plus with the fact that you've got all these other candidates coming in, if it was a mano-a-mano it might be a different story because I think what DeSantis' value proposition is that I'm just as conservative, if not more conservative, but I can actually deliver on what I say because I'll point out to, you know, things that Trump couldn't quite get done.
phil labonte
Do you feel like Trump's, because I feel like Trump's strength wasn't in that he was particularly conservative.
His strength was that he would take the fight to the left.
So Trump didn't have to be like, you know, he was he was friendly to LGBT issues and stuff like that.
And he didn't really come from The conservative, especially the religious conservative.
I mean, everybody remembers the whole, you know, the Bible's my favorite book of the Bible, you know, that that exchange.
So I don't feel like he was ever particularly far to the right.
Did you feel like he was?
matt braynard
I think that there are issues where he was to the right of the party.
On immigration, he was by far the most right-wing candidate in 2016 because right before he went down that elevator, escalator, he had read Ann Coulter's book on immigration and that fired him up and that really put him on the map.
You could always say that.
I think what he has over the other candidates is that he's a known quantity.
A lot of people think he was, that the election in 2020 was rigged or, I can say it now, I
guess some people, a lot of people think it was stolen or rigged and...
tim pool
You could always say that.
But...
matt braynard
You could play Trump saying it.
Oh yeah, yeah, but he is authentic and he's got a level of authenticity that is, like
when you read his tweets when he was on Twitter, and now his tweets are still on Twitter because
They'll just take truth and repost it on Twitter.
You read that, and you know he wrote it, and nobody got in his way.
It wasn't Focus Group or anything like that.
Whereas some of these other candidates, I think they just struggle a little bit with the authenticity.
tim pool
It's kind of crazy watching—DeSantis is crashing and burning, and it really is his press team because he has done great work.
This video, I pulled it up.
Here's the video from DeSantis' War Room.
To wrap up Pride Month, let's hear from the politician who did more than any other Republican to celebrate it.
And they insult Trump for what actually was good.
I know a lot of people are not happy with the Pride flag and the current woke stuff, but we've had this conversation for years.
Nine million Obama voters switched to the Republican Party, and one of the big issues was Donald Trump was very much like, these are our Americans.
We're going to support them.
This battle is over.
There is a big difference between being like, hey, we have no issue with you if you're gay.
And there are people grooming children and putting these weird books in schools.
DeSantis is fighting against those weird books.
He's fighting against the grooming stuff.
Really, really great work.
Donald Trump was not in support of those things back then.
They're completely different issues.
They're conflating them.
DeSantis goes from, you know, on paper, you have this amazing track record in Florida, to a press team that is making him look ridiculous.
I mean, this video, I said it was cringe.
People were like, I really like it.
Here, let me play a little bit of it for you guys.
unidentified
I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens.
If Caitlyn Jenner were to walk into Trump Tower and want to use the bathroom, you would be fine with her using any bathroom she chooses.
That is correct.
In the future, can transgender women compete in this universe?
Yes.
Make America great again.
PSYCH!
tim pool
Okay, so basically showing American Psycho and Peaky Blinders and showing ad headlines
like Rhonda Santa signs draconian anti-trans bathroom bill into law and it this is really
just not doing him any favors.
Like you were mentioning attacking him from the right.
What is the purpose of this video?
So I'm 37, this video doesn't do it for me?
matt braynard
I'll tell you because in 1996 there were a lot of people outside the Trump campaign that were creating really cool videos.
I do this all the time.
My wife's yelling at the TV right now.
1996, I was like, what?
My golden times.
Good years.
In 2016, they were creating these really cool third party videos that were like the meme wars, right?
Like the Caterpillar videos, and they were really kind of cool, and they had a style.
They're trying to imitate that and capture that.
Whoever created this video, I mean clearly they've got some editing talent,
and they're trying, it's in a, it's got this motif of like a,
sort of a 4chan poll motif and vibe to it, and you almost think if you slow it down enough
You might see one of those white nationalist stars, those things.
I can't remember what it's called.
The golden sun thing rotating in the back.
tim pool
Oh, the black sun.
matt braynard
It's the black sun.
It's like all of that, and I feel like whoever created it was like, we're trying to get to these guys, and maybe they're not the most savvy, right?
But somebody hit the retweet button on that campaign account, and that is...
They don't belong to that job anymore.
Just find out one person who needs to be fired from the campaign.
Were they fired?
We probably wouldn't even know.
Maybe they will be, maybe they won't.
tim pool
So, obviously DeSantis also had the deepfake thing when he posted the fake photos of Trump and Fauci.
And it's still up.
It's still up.
It's remarkable that DeSantis... I'm sorry.
Look, man.
I love his track record in Florida, but the man is incompetent.
If he cannot fire his people after all of these blunders, the dude is not fit to be president.
matt braynard
Yeah, and it's like, it's fine to have, like, if you wanted to actually, if the campaign wanted to get a video like this out there to undermine Trump among, say, a certain portion of the right, you have like an outside group just sort of put it up, like it was originally, like some weird thing that circulated through the discords and the telegrams where those people, where those people live and don't touch grass.
But there's a reason.
Oftentimes you want to have an indirect attack.
So you have somebody far away, throw it at them, and then your hands are clean.
So this is on an operational level a failure.
ian crossland
Why didn't you PSYOP?
Which is crazy because you don't want candidates to be PSYOPing each other.
But I mean, he didn't PSYOP.
He put it on the DeSantis account.
tim pool
It was made by somebody else, and then they took the URL to the video and tweeted it.
ian crossland
Sorry to interrupt, you were saying.
matt braynard
Yeah, yeah, but I mean maybe the campaign did create it and they want to get it out too, but you don't, you do these things, like I said, I've been in this field since the mid 90s, that's why I keep saying 96.
This is old school political operation.
You have somebody else attack, you have some other source go after them, a distant proxy, so you keep your hands clean, and they just dove face first into the mud with this one.
tim pool
A lot of people keep defending Ron.
They say things like, this is his campaign, it's not him, blah blah blah.
At this point, the man has not taken the tweets down or fired these people.
Okay, that right there.
We talk about the problems of bureaucracy.
You know what I love about the DeSantis people on Twitter is they lie about what I've said.
And if they're gonna play that game where DeSantis posts deepfakes, then they lie about what I'm saying.
They're just trying to trick you into supporting this guy for whatever reason, I don't know.
One person was like, Tim Pool thinks- has said that Trump will magically be different this time around.
I was like, I never said that.
I said there's like a 55% chance Trump actually fires a bunch of these people, and that's the best we can hope for.
If the probability between- if the probability is higher that Trump will fire the bureaucrats over at his hand as you vote for Trump, DeSantis won't even fire his own bad staff members, and we're supposed to believe he's going to end the Department of Education or the IRS or something?
Get out of here with that.
Not going to happen.
matt braynard
In his defense, I would caution you with one thing, and that is that it's a long way to Iowa, to New Hampshire, to South Carolina, and a lot of these candidates can make their course corrections.
You never know what's going to happen next.
I'm begging him!
I'm begging him!
Fire these people!
tim pool
I am!
I like his track record in Florida!
I mean, we had on, uh, I'm not gonna say the names of these people because they're duplicitous liars, but we had a guest on the Culture War show who tried playing this game of, like, name a policy from DeSantis, and no matter what I said, she just kept asking the same questions as if I didn't say anything, because of course they were clip farming and they intended to lie the whole time.
But DeSantis' policies based in Florida, how he handled COVID, was good.
When it comes to the books that they're being removed from these schools, good.
When it comes to saying you can't have kids at these events, good.
These are good things.
Clearly, in terms of culture war issues, we care about he is doing a good job.
When it comes to attracting business and new residents, when it comes to taxes, he's doing a great job.
Don't get me wrong, the Republican legislature in Florida is probably doing a lot of the heavy lifting, but we like these things because they matter to us.
Then, when it comes to his terrible team, He can't handle it?
I am begging the DeSantis campaign to fire these people so that I can come out tomorrow and say, I'm on Team DeSantis.
Not gonna happen, unless he does.
matt braynard
And the thing is, too, I've been all over the country, I've met with a lot of people who we need to win over, and a lot of them, they would be more happy to vote for DeSantis than for Trump at this point in time.
For some reason, they just don't get along with Trump.
And I think that, look, I actually met the governor before he started running for president.
I had a small chat with him, just one-on-one, and he was great.
And I think that he wrote a book recently, it was published, right?
The Courage to Be Free, I think.
And I read it, I went from beginning to end, and it was a nice book, good biography, But I don't think enough of him was in it.
Like, he talked about his whole baseball career, right?
He played baseball in high school and college, very proud.
But I feel like he needed to be more involved.
There's something wrong with the book because it never told me what position he played.
So imagine talking about how proud you are to play baseball, but the book, maybe I missed it.
However, before he ever ran for Congress, after he got out of the Navy, he actually wrote a book that I am sure he had to have written himself because he didn't have a bunch of people around him helping.
And it was Dreams of Our Founding Fathers.
There were only 100 or so copies published.
I got one of them, made a copy of it myself, and I started reading because I want to know these guys.
The difference between those two books, the one that came out recently that probably had many editors and a lot of help, and the one he had to have written himself, he self-published 120 copies.
He would go to GOP events and sell it at a card table.
That book is brilliant.
It could be a textbook in a college.
It is that level of understanding of our founding fathers, of principles, of how articulated it is.
I'd love to see more of the Ron DeSantis that wrote that book than wrote the new one.
tim pool
But if he is so weak that he has handed off these issues to lesser skilled individuals, then he has shown he does not have what it takes to be president.
phil labonte
He can have great policy all he wants, but just like Tim said, if you can't get elected, if you can't win, then it doesn't matter.
tim pool
Execution is everything.
It's not just about getting elected.
If he's showing us that he has bad people working in his campaign and he does nothing about it, what do you think is going to happen when he's in government?
phil labonte
He is in a position where if he were doing a better job campaigning, he should have a significantly smaller gap between him and Trump.
Trump's got a lot of downside, regardless of whether you support him or not.
There's a lot of things people can criticize Trump for.
tim pool
Trump hired some bad people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He definitely did.
But Trump has no problem smack-talking the people that he eventually got rid of.
DeSantis is just doing nothing and saying nothing.
phil labonte
Pure weakness.
matt braynard
You know what would be the real sign to everybody that he's going to make a course correction?
He calls you and says, I want to come on your show.
Because when you're in the position he is right now, you need to be here.
You need to be talking to this audience.
You need to be engaging.
tim pool
That's up to the people who watch this show, right?
I'm just some dude who complains about things on the internet.
We've had people say, like, Tim, you should get Trump on, you should get this person on.
And I'm like, dude, none of these people owe me anything.
If they want to come on the show, I'd love to have them.
If Ron wanted to come on the show, we'd love to have him.
We wanted to have him before.
And I think a conversation like this...
It would greatly benefit him, but here's the point.
I think what we're seeing is that he is incapable of a long-form free-flowing conversation in this way.
He is too surrounded by bad people who are not allowing him to be an authentic personality like Trump is.
matt braynard
I disagree.
I think he's capable of it if he just undoes the tie, undoes the black collar, comes in and just sits down and deals.
I know he has it in him.
He's just got to come in and do it.
tim pool
I don't disagree.
What I'm saying is the people who surround him are not allowing him to do these things.
ian crossland
Yeah, we should shoot some hoops.
Come on down, Ron.
Let's go play basketball in the skate park for a little while and a couple hours before the show, get loose, and then talk about politics.
tim pool
for that.
matt braynard
That could be the moment that turns the campaign around.
And then he does, he reaches out, he has this type of conversation, which I know he's capable of, and then his poll numbers go whoosh.
tim pool
I believe, whether it is this show or any other show, if Ron DeSantis came out and sat down and had a real conversation where they addressed the deepfakes, where they talked about this ad, his polling would skyrocket double digits overnight.
overnight. His predicted would jump way up, but he's avoiding it, hoping to make it all go away
like it's 1993 and we're using old school PR tactics of if you say nothing it goes away.
Yeah, take a look at Bud Light, dude. People aren't forgetting these things,
they're taking them seriously. And you know, President Trump has
matt braynard
demonstrated that you can put people in positions of great power
and then fire them and shit talk them endlessly.
tim pool
Right?
Let's jump to this next story about Bud Light, because this is big.
For the post-millennial, bottling plants shut down after Bud Light's sales tank amid Dylan Mulvaney partnership.
So the news is 645 jobs lost, employees out of work, after the R-Dog group Shut down two plants according to WRAL it was because there was a decrease in demand falling bud light sales and thus they had no reason to make bottles anymore because bud light doesn't need them.
Ladies and gentlemen, This is winning the culture war, and this is substantive, but there was always going to be collateral damage.
I feel bad for the people who lost their jobs because of this, but it's the fault of Bud Light.
matt braynard
It's really tragic, but there's sort of the other side of it.
It's not like America's drinking less beer, so maybe there are 450 or 500 more jobs created, another plant making the bottles.
But I know the company's still wildly profitable, but this is sort of the same trick that Amazon does.
It's not a Budweiser plant, it's a subcontractor.
So it's the subcontractor that has to eat all the dirt and the bad decisions that the contractor made.
ian crossland
And InBev is a, what is it, Belgian-Brazilian company anyway, so I'm not, no offense, I'm not too concerned if they go bankrupt.
I mean, I'm not all gung-ho on America right now, but I'd like to see these people go get a job with an American brewing company like Yingling or something.
Yingling's expanding.
tim pool
Hopefully, if Yingling sales skyrocket, Molson, Coors, you know, whatever, then there will be bottling demand.
But it's interesting, the point you bring up, People are still buying beer, so they still need to bottle beer.
So what's happening?
These other bottling plants are doubling their workload, and these people are getting laid off.
Not really a great situation, but I just want to say, This is actually a sign of permanent economic damage to a brand that decided to get woke.
phil labonte
The damage to the brand probably can't be overstated.
tim pool
Can't be undone either.
phil labonte
No.
ian crossland
You could also get a job with Ultra Right Beer.
I'm not sure if Conservative Dad's Ultra Right is hiring at the moment, but I'm sure they will be soon.
I just drank like six of those.
phil labonte
I imagine the place that lost the 500 jobs, I imagine that is probably not strategically located.
near another place where these people can just transfer over to another bottle.
matt braynard
You know what's saddest about this is that these people lost their jobs.
Some are probably not going to be able to afford their mortgages.
It's going to cost them their marriages, cost them their children, cost them everything.
Whereas the CEO of Anheuser-Busch, see, he's still employed.
He's still the guy at the top.
He's still making it in.
tim pool
They're subsidizing a lot of these companies.
ian crossland
That would be Carlos Brito is his name.
He's a Brazilian guy.
tim pool
They did can the woman that was... They're denying it, but it's been reported that the woman and the guy have been... two people were removed.
matt braynard
Well, you know they got a fat severance package.
They're not out on the street.
They're not like these blue-collar people in North Carolina.
tim pool
Well, no, no.
Officially, here's what I think happened.
Officially, they're not fired.
They're on leave.
But literally, according to sources in the company, they're considered completely severed from the company.
The reason they're not firing them is because Anheuser-Busch fears a lawsuit.
They fear that they'll get sued, some labor dispute.
So by putting them on an indefinite leave and saying nothing...
They can get rid of them, they're fired effectively, but officially they're not fired.
matt braynard
But they're also going to become folk heroes on the left, they're going to get a well-paid job with any number of left-wing groups that are supportive of what they did, so they're going to land very well, I don't have any doubt.
tim pool
Maybe, but the left is clearly losing.
I mean, remarkably.
I mean, this is catastrophic.
ian crossland
I think virtue signaling loses, and it especially loses in business, man.
When all you care about is making a profit, nobody cares what you think.
matt braynard
Yeah, but who's bearing the... I get it, and I guess companies are now a lot more cautious about doing anything woke, right?
But look at what happened here, and look who actually paid the price.
These blue-collar workers who probably vote the way we like them to vote, who are good, loyal Americans, they're the ones out of their job.
The people who are responsible for the decision, they're getting golden parachutes, they're gonna get... go work for GLAAD or one of the left-wing homosexual groups or something.
They're gonna do great!
tim pool
They should have quit when this happened.
ian crossland
So...
tim pool
When the controversy started, and you saw sales declining, and the stock was tanking, you've had three months to find a different job.
matt braynard
You mean the bottling factory people?
I don't know if it's as easy for them as we might- Didn't say it was easy!
tim pool
Didn't say it was easy, but- I get it.
I hear you, but- You can see the storm coming, and I'm sorry.
I'm not happy these people are losing their jobs.
However, I am not going to stand in support of people who are propping up what Bud Light was doing.
matt braynard
I don't think they even had any awareness of it.
They're just shift workers who probably didn't barely finish high school, if anything like that.
I don't think they had... These are pure civil... Like, there are people who know better.
tim pool
If that's true, I have less sympathy for them.
The idea that you... Okay, look.
What Bud Light was doing with Dylan Mulvaney, I believe, is the banality of evil.
The algorithm is propping up this Borat-like character that is insulting to most people, and you, working at these factories and supporting Bud Light, are one of the individuals holding up that machine, engaging in the banality of evil.
I don't blame people for not knowing, because people try to do good, and we try to inform them, but I'm not going to shed a tear if There is an evil organization doing evil things.
You are helping them.
If you're the henchman for a supervillain and you get fired because the villain's been arrested, I'm not going to be like, oh, that's really sad he's out of a job.
I'll be like, good, less henchman for the villain.
matt braynard
I just don't think you can hold somebody with a 90 IQ who's doing everything they can within the law to raise their family and doesn't have the capability of seeing what you and I can see because we're in this world.
They're just innocent civilians that got caught up in this.
tim pool
I disagree.
They are components of a machine that is engaging in cultural destruction, decay, and the banality of evil.
I don't blame them as individuals for marching in lockstep with an evil machine, but if we're going to stop the cultural degradation, they have to lose their jobs.
matt braynard
But the people who made the decisions are not punished at all, and they're just going to go on to the next company and do it again.
tim pool
The people at the bottom are holding this machine up.
I do not believe the goal is to intentionally hurt the regular workers.
matt braynard
But even if you wanted to punish them, there's no amount of punishment that's going to make them understand what they need to understand to fix this.
tim pool
Then we're in agreement.
The only thing you can do is dismantle the machine, and that means the people at the bottom are going to lose their jobs first.
There's nothing else you can do.
You're not, you're never gonna get, even if they fire the CEO, you're talking about cutting off the head of a Hydra, two more grow back in its place.
These individual workers, the bottling plants that are producing Bud Light and selling it, are generating the profits for an evil machine.
ian crossland
You could seize the company with the government and then strip the corporation.
matt braynard
I mean, that's one tactic.
I mean, they're just so easily replaced.
If they decide, oh, we're all gonna quit, let's move the plant to Mexico or something like that.
It's the next thing.
It's the people.
tim pool
That's not what happened.
happened, the demand dropped so much the plants don't exist anymore, which is a good outcome.
matt braynard
Or the demand shifted to another brand somewhere else, which may or may not be in the United
States.
I get it, we're probably not going to agree on this, I think the enemy is the snakes at
the top, and you just, it's like you can't hold these people, it's not even if you want
to hold them accountable, you just can't because they're not capable of being held accountable.
tim pool
Like, look, you are correct, the problem is the leadership of Anheuser-Busch.
ian crossland
Michael Ducaris, by the way.
tim pool
You've got a standing army in front of them blocking you from putting in, from stopping
the evil practices.
matt braynard
I think we succeeded in a way because, look, these guys are going to not make as much money as they would have otherwise.
Two people who are pretty high profile kind of lost their jobs and are going to have a tough time of it.
And we can see the effect just because all these companies that are so eager to celebrate Pride Month, regardless of what you think of it, they kind of toned it down a little.
And some other companies sort of backed off some of the woke stuff.
Starbucks, Target, et cetera.
To me, the profits for the people at the top getting cut is really all they care about.
So if you can hit that, that's kind of how you adjust the culture.
tim pool
But that is the collateral damage that will trickle down and hit the bottom workers.
matt braynard
Well, there's a reason it's called collateral damage.
tim pool
Right.
So my point is, I want these people to find jobs.
I don't blame them for the actions of the organization, but it is a good thing that these jobs were lost.
Bud Light shrinking is good.
That means people lose their jobs.
ian crossland
I don't know if it's corporatism or capitalism that protects the CEO and the owners of the company when they can just liquidate their work staff and they don't have to pay any price for destroying their company's profits.
You would say that's why communism, some people might want it because the government can go take the company away and say you misused it, you're gone.
tim pool
That's not even communism, I mean there can be consumer protections in a capitalist system.
ian crossland
Where you would go strip the CEO of his job, of his duty, and take the stockholder's stock away?
tim pool
Through due process, if a crime is committed.
ian crossland
Only if it's a crime.
But since it's not a crime in the capitalist system, we've been letting CEOs get away with it for years.
tim pool
The point I'm making is, communism is not the answer.
ian crossland
No, I know.
That's why we have a capitalist system, and it's better than communism, but how do you protect the workers?
tim pool
Alright, so you pass laws protecting workers.
You can have a capitalism that says, specifically, if you intentionally destroy the company to hurt workers, there can be some kind of intervention.
It's not absolute.
There's not either capitalism or communism.
Communism is not the right word for it, because it's political.
It's not either capitalism or socialism.
There's varying degrees.
ian crossland
State controlled, yeah, whatever.
tim pool
So having some protection, I think that some protections are a good thing.
But ultimately, my point here is, What did anyone think was going to happen?
You stop buying Bud Light.
There is less money going to Bud Light.
They will fire many people.
We are not mad at the people who got fired.
It is a good thing Bud Light is shrinking.
unidentified
That's it.
matt braynard
Yeah, and to your questions, how do you solve this in a capitalist system?
You know, the original union organizer, who is not a communist, he's an immigrant named Samuel Gompers, had the solution.
And that was for workers to form a union and use their bargaining power to actually acquire the company.
So it's the workers that own the company.
So they pool their funds, they buy more and more stock, more positions to eventually a situation where the founder dies and passes on and then they sell the company to the workers.
So when you have a worker-owned company, it provides a lot of protection.
Unfortunately, the union movement in this country went into the direction of politics and aiding politics and wanting not to take over management.
But to fight with management for purposes of demagoguing and delivering votes to a political party.
So that's kind of where we lost our way.
But there is a solution.
It is fully compatible with capitalism.
ian crossland
But also it's a globalist company like AB InBev is a Belgian, is it?
Belgian company?
It's Brazilian and but in Switzerland, I don't remember where it is.
So how do our American union laws function with a multinational corporation?
matt braynard
A union, they're still publicly traded.
You give that union that had the people working in North Carolina or workers co-op a few board seats, you'd see a different outcome.
They can earn those board seats.
tim pool
So I got some news in this related area and I seek advice from our loyal viewers.
So as many of you know we're working on a coffee shop and there are some issues related to laws which are causing it to get delayed massively.
It's an old building and so in order to get it up to code and everything it's a ridiculous amount of work and it's a historical building so then there's like You gotta have a lot of paperwork.
So we're looking at Charlestown, West Virginia.
Not too far away from Harper's Ferry.
And there's a building for sale.
It is very big.
It's right in downtown.
And we went and checked it out.
Very excited.
And there was a restaurant there very recently.
They sold and they moved.
And I said, how cool would it be to set up our first or second location, depending on which gets done first, of Casper Coffee here in downtown Charlestown?
We went and met with the two agents, our agent and their agent.
Checked out the whole building.
It is massive.
So big, in fact, we might even be able to put a skate shop in the back with a separate entrance.
Very excited for this.
There's a stage that's already there.
Very cool.
Afterwards, we went across the street to get breakfast.
And while I was getting breakfast at a little diner called Grandma's Diner, there was a newspaper called The Spirit of Jefferson.
In it, I learned that Charlestown passed a Pride Month resolution.
The City Council of Charlestown, West Virginia, voted to declare June Pride Month in support of all the blah blah blah and long-winded garbage.
And so I said, man, what do you do?
Do you invest in a town that is moving in that direction?
Or do we make it a point to not invest in places like this?
There's a couple arguments.
The first is, if we do invest in this town, we gain influence in this town.
We bring people to this town.
Employees.
Fans.
And we start changing the culture for the better.
What if that doesn't work and the town keeps moving in this negative direction and they end up doing things that are shocking and offensive to our customers, to our friends and fans, and we lose that fight and waste all of our money?
The argument against it is maybe, maybe the city needs to see economic fallout from making decisions like this so that the people of the town get angry.
So I wonder, I kind of lean towards the best thing to do is actually invest in the town and buy the business and then put up flags and signs saying like no to all of this, invite people down and start shaping the culture with our resources and force.
There is the potential of going to the city and saying, so long as you have this resolution in effect, we will not spend a dime here.
I feel like that one doesn't necessarily work as much.
It may sound good, but it's like if your money was never available to the city in the first place, they don't care what you think.
If your money becomes available and you say, but I want to see this thing no longer in force, you may actually make a difference.
So I'm curious what the people, for those of you that are listening, what do you think is the best thing to do?
Should we open a shop in Charlestown, West Virginia, even though just now, in June, only a couple weeks ago, five to three of the city voted in support of Pride Month, which is just so insane, there's a whole month dedicated to whatever it is they're doing.
Or should we just tell them, go to the agents, and say, hey, let the people in the city know, when you tell them you can't sell the building, it's because we don't want to invest in a town like this.
matt braynard
You know, it's funny you bring this up, because your point of view on this is sort of the moral argument of having the conversation with the city, what do you want to do, what consequences do you want to face?
And I think that the reality is that there's no entity to have that discussion with and there's no entity that would react to say losing a business or entry.
I actually do these campaigns all over the country constantly for other things like somebody wants to build a new super center for a big, like a big box store, right?
And the community doesn't want it.
So I get in and, you know, either help them defeat or help them bring it in or something like that.
It sounds like all you really need to do is flip two city council seats.
You get a stealth campaign, you find two good candidates, you fund them, and you take it over, and you say, no more Pride Month.
And you know, that's the exact same way that George Soros took over all these prosecutors.
Get a stealth campaign, get a smart political consultant, recruit the candidates, and you flip it, and then you have... Well, that ain't me.
unidentified
I'm just telling you, that's... Maybe it's something you could do, I don't know.
tim pool
I'm not, I'm not that kind of guy.
ian crossland
I'm not gonna... But it's not even like a stealth underhanded tactic.
It's the way of the world.
You find people that you believe in and you elevate them to positions of power to help lead you and your legal system.
matt braynard
Who do you think got those five people that voted for Pride Month on the city council?
People who disagree with you?
tim pool
The issue, I, yes, more so I think the issue is Even though the majority of people oppose all of that stuff, they do not do anything.
They don't vote, they don't get up, they don't speak out, they complain in private, and it's really, really frustrating.
The idea that West Virginia, the second most Trump-supporting state in the country, would allow woke prosecutors, and they do, in Martinsburg, they had a drag show in public with children and brought them on stage, which is illegal in West Virginia, unquestionably illegal, And no one's doing anything about it.
And they all say it's not my problem.
I don't, I have no authority.
Sorry, I can't do it.
The people, it's surprising, a rural county in West Virginia voted for woke district, woke prosecutors.
ian crossland
It sounds like there's a void of organization in this world, and especially in this country, and particularly in West Virginia, but probably a lot of states, that we need to develop some sort of organization, like we need to If it's just like, sorry, little kids on stage with people waving their junk around out of their face, whatever.
Like, someone needs to go in there and not lay down the law, but create order.
phil labonte
The average person is still, like, learning about this stuff.
Like, most people don't really have a deep knowledge about things like queer theory.
And then you've got a whole...
Well, then you've got the whole half of the country feeding a narrative that this isn't about trying to abuse kids.
You've got the whole media establishment trying to convince people that this isn't about trying to indoctrinate kids into a political mindset.
tim pool
But you don't need to understand anything about queer theory to be like, hey, that child on stage taking his clothes off for money is a very bad thing.
matt braynard
Well, look, the reason this has advanced as far as it has is because the left is well-funded and well-organized.
Flipping these back the other way, Martinsville—Martinsville or Martinsburg?
tim pool
Martinsburg.
matt braynard
Martinsburg, even Charleston, West Virginia.
It wasn't like— Charlestown.
Charlestown.
It wasn't an 8-to-1 vote.
It was a 5-to-3.
That means, look, if we can just get the right people informed and turn out to vote—and it's not that hard.
It just takes organization, a little bit of funding, and it's not that hard.
tim pool
Well, I was like, you know, I was talking to the agent, saying like, I'm not sure it's a good idea to invest in a town that wants to go the direction of Bud Light.
Clearly, we are seeing a major backlash to what Bud Light, Target, Starbucks, and these other companies have done to the tune of tens of billions of dollars.
And I'm supposed to invest my money and start my business in a town that's going that same direction?
matt braynard
Well, here's the problem, though.
Eventually, you're going to run out of places to escape from.
So you have to pick a place to make your stand and fight.
This is a place where I think somebody as smart as you could come in and apply the right pressure and become part of that community.
I think you could flip it.
And you may just be the person that could do it.
tim pool
The degree of pressure I would exert is talking about it on this show, having events at our coffee shop with comedians, putting up flags in the window or something.
matt braynard
That may be all it takes to find the additional community organizers to go out and go hit doors and explain it, because most of the voters who even voted for the five people They probably didn't even know that they voted that way.
Exposing them.
tim pool
Second year they've done this though, apparently.
matt braynard
It's within reach.
It's really within reach.
phil labonte
Yeah, 5-3 isn't 8-0.
matt braynard
Not San Francisco.
phil labonte
Yeah, fair enough.
It is disheartening to know that, all right, I'm going to invest in this community, and there's people in this community that obviously are not active or not aware of political things that affect us or that we care about.
But again, five to three is not eight to zero.
I think that most of the problem is that conservatives are still mostly unaware, you know, people that would have a problem with this kind of stuff are still mostly unaware, um, that there are things like this going on.
And, and if you can just wake them, you know, make them aware of it, not, it's not even about waking them up.
It's just like, make them aware.
Cause I've said before, all of the people that I talk to that are left-leaning that are, You know, your default Democrats.
When it comes to the LGBTQIA plus stuff, the trans issues and stuff like that, even the most progressive of progressives say things like, look, they is a word that has a meaning and it's useful.
We can't just give it away to people.
It doesn't make sense in English.
tim pool
You see what happened with Young Turks?
phil labonte
With Anna Kasparian?
Oh, it's the most enjoyable thing on Twitter right now.
tim pool
Oh my gosh, let's talk about it.
What happened?
phil labonte
The left is melting down.
tim pool
So, Anna Kasparian of the Young Turks criticized this non-profit for calling women's privates bonus holes.
phil labonte
And the reaction... Among others, because she had a problem with being called a birthing person and stuff like that.
tim pool
But the latest one is that she criticized the organization for referring to female parts as bonus holes.
And what happened?
Many leftist commentators said she lied, made it up, it's propaganda and not real.
Shockingly insane and evil.
Anna is correct.
And I agree with her opinion.
However, I do find her to be duplicitous in that we've agreed with her and Cenk on so many things, but they always pretend to oppose us, which is the weirdest thing ever.
If she came in here and sat down, we would be like, you're completely right on all of your points.
100%.
Yep.
That's absolutely correct.
We agree.
We talked about the same thing.
The left comes out, calls her right wing, calls him shills, and says no one's referring to it as bonus holes.
So she tweets the link to it saying, here's the organization calling women's parts bonus holes.
And they still claim she's lying.
Because there's two big components to what the left commentary does.
Lie about what's actually happening because they're ideologues who believe there's no truth but power.
So they're justified in their lies to gain power.
Or they're saying whatever they think is in opposition to the right.
So if anything criticizes them, they're on the other side of it.
If anyone says this book is bad, then the book must be good.
So when Anna comes out and says, don't call me a birthing person, or having a bonus hole, they say, you're lying, that never happened, or you're right wing.
ian crossland
I noticed that same thing with Ilad's footage of the people that were marching saying, we're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children.
And in the comments, they're like, no, no, that was just a moment at the march where there was somebody inciting that thing.
Someone got in the way and started that chant.
They weren't really saying that.
And I'm like, I just watched the video five times.
I saw him say it a lot, and there were a lot of people.
I don't have Any evidence that someone was there inciting that, and it just seemed like lies.
It was like a cognitive dissonant thing, like, I cannot accept this, I must lie, I must say it didn't happen.
matt braynard
It's that cycle where first they say, oh, it's not happening, it's just conspiracy theory, and they say, oh, it's sort of happening, it doesn't matter, and then they say, oh, it's a good thing it's happening, and that's what NBC eventually wrote, is that, oh, this is a time-honored chant among the homosexuals.
tim pool
Chanting that they're coming for your children is a normal thing.
matt braynard
They always do that forever.
phil labonte
You should definitely get Anna to come on the Culture War show.
tim pool
We've invited them.
ian crossland
Oh, on here, on IRL.
She'd be so fun.
phil labonte
No, on the Culture War show.
All of it, yeah.
Because especially with her making, apparently this is something that's been going on for a while.
She's been having disagreements.
She was on Sitch and Adam's Oh yeah.
ian crossland
I want to go on their show.
If you guys are listening.
phil labonte
They're looking to get in touch with you.
But she came out and she's said that, you know, the Kyle Rittenhouse case, she understands, you know, and she's on Kyle Rittenhouse's side, which is in opposition to Cenk's position.
She has an issue with being called.
A birthing person or a uterus haver or whatever.
So there's a lot of things that are going on on the left that she's started to have an issue with and you know kudos to her because she's taken a hell.
tim pool
Like every other sane liberal person who realized what was going on became a disaffected liberal.
phil labonte
Yeah you know and and like I said kudos to her because she's taken a a ton of hell for it but you know the fact that she actually can acknowledge that look this is a lie and one of the things she said on the on the on Adam such an Adam stream was that People were gaslighting her, and she's like, I know that you're lying to me, and I can't believe that you're still continuing to gaslight me.
tim pool
Because it's not about her, it's about the listeners.
So what a lot of these channels do, which, I'll leave, there's many of them, they just fabricate everything.
They don't care, either because they're ideologically or capitalistically driven.
It's really fascinating.
They're like, oh, I'm on the left, and they buy massive mansions in California.
Complete lies.
It's remarkable that you look to these prominent lefties who are talking about all this, you know, I believe in helping people and socialism, and it's like, oh, who have you supported and donated to?
How dare you?
And then you look to the quote-unquote right.
I love this thing about the pro-choice, pro-life argument.
When the pro-choicers lie all the time.
No, that's unfair.
It's not pro-choice.
It is the pro-abortion side and the pro-life side.
Because the pro-choicers are, like, in the middle and, like, typically not siding with conservatives on a lot of issues.
I mean, like, actual pro-choice, where they were, like, maybe within the first few weeks, but post-viability, no abortion.
The reasonable Democrat position from a while ago.
The pro-abortion crowd is just lying about everything.
I forgot exactly where I was going, but that's basically the gist of it.
You've got people who have found themselves silenced and in the middle as the left just says whatever it is is the opposite of the right and then lies about what's actually happening to wind power.
ian crossland
You take a look at post-birth abortion, how people are claiming that it's not actually happening, but they're legislating to be legal.
tim pool
Oh yeah, all the media claiming that no one ever brought it up when Northam literally talked about even resuscitating the baby and then bring it to another room to decide what to do.
ian crossland
There's also a phenomenon of liars.
People that think it's good to lie, and they just do it.
I had a friend growing up, and granted, we were like 13 or 14 at the time, but we would play Dungeons and Dragons, and then he'd roll, and then he'd be like, no, I got a five.
I'd be like, dude, you just rolled a seven.
He'd be like, No, I had a 5, dude.
It was a 7!
Like, that's gaslighting.
But then we'd play with a third guy would come over, and he'd be like, no, it was a 5.
And we'd both be like, you're lying to us!
unidentified
You just rolled a 7!
ian crossland
He's like, no, I rolled a 5.
And how do you get through to someone like that?
You couldn't.
They're evil.
ways and like ostracize.
matt braynard
The reason they can get through or get away with it is because whoever their audience
is, isn't a very narrow channel.
They're not like checking out a lefty on the Young Turks and I'll watch some pool and sort
of get both sides of the story.
Their audiences are completely locked in with people just like them and think like them.
So you like still have people this day, you know, yelling about January Sixers killing
five police officers that day, which, no, but they believe it because all their news
sources repeat that same lie and they're not exposed to anybody outside of that or.
Or when they get, like, they run to me, I say, oh, that's not true.
The only people that died were protesters, unarmed protesters.
Like, oh, you're lying.
That's not true.
So we have two different, I guess, realities.
tim pool
So here's the issue I see with, like, the Young Turks.
I've known them for a very, very long time, like longer than ten years.
matt braynard
Back when he was a conservative?
tim pool
Not when he was a conservative.
I remember, and they used to post, I guess they were, Jimmy Dore said this, I could be wrong, that they would post photos of like, upskirt shots or something like that.
I don't know if that's true or whatever, it's been a while.
Was that what it was?
serge du preez
No, that was Hassan.
Hassan Surgat doing a lot of stuff like that.
tim pool
Hassan used to do that to us.
serge du preez
Hassan Piker used to be kind of like the upskirt.
Not exactly, I'm not going to say he did upskirt stuff, but he was like an early YouTube guy posting like, you know, edgy girls, edgy stuff.
He was a bro code.
Bro code kind of guy.
tim pool
The Young Turks have some like dark stuff.
serge du preez
Yeah, definitely.
tim pool
But what I think happened with them is they had a large audience.
The cultural shift started to happen in 2015 and they did not want to go against their own audience because Money was more important, so they just went along with whatever the current thing was, but eventually you break.
Eventually the left starts advocating for insane things like post-birth abortion, unrestricted abortion, calling women birthing persons and bonus hole havers, and eventually you're just like, this is insane!
The problem I have with the issue I take with the Young Turks is that They're still trying to pretend to be a part of whatever the left is.
Yeah, they'll say things like, well, we are on the left because we believe in universal health care.
It's like, oh, so do I, and I've talked about that quite a bit on this show.
They'll say, yeah, well, you know, we're pro-choice.
I'm like, that's funny.
So am I. We've had debates.
Me and Seamus discuss this all the time.
They're lying.
They're still lying.
Even though Anna is pushing back against lies on the left, they still lie and pretend that they're not in agreement with us on a lot of issues.
They still pretend to support things that are completely untrue.
Even when Anna says something that's correct, as soon as someone on the right compliments her or says, here's what you're right about, she'll come out and say, yeah, well, you know what, but I'm still not on the right and I disagree with you.
It's like, just stop.
This whole, like, desperate need to be on the left is so annoying.
That's why I'm like, you know, I'll try and define it.
What does it mean to be culture war right-wing, economically right-wing, or socially right-wing?
Definitions matter.
But I'll refer to this as the freedom faction or the culture war right.
Like, I don't care what you call it, so long as we understand what we're talking about.
ian crossland
Anyone that's like, I am a fill-in-the-blank, I'm a conservative, I'm a liberal, I'm a this, even I am an American, like, you are putting yourself in a box, man, and it is a dark hole.
You cannot see out of that thing.
matt braynard
But is it a bonus hole?
unidentified
Probably.
tim pool
I'd be willing to bet that on most issues, I'm to the left of Hasan Piker.
Hands down.
I hope he hears this.
I'd be willing to bet that if we actually had a discussion on issues, I would be to the left of him on a whole bunch of different issues.
phil labonte
I'm not.
tim pool
But he would lie.
No, no.
He would lie.
This is my point.
Like, I'll put it this way.
If someone came to him and wanted to work on some project with him that he would finance, do you think he would actually give them the majority of the revenue generated from the project they worked on?
I believe the answer would be no.
I believe he'd be like, no way.
Absolutely not.
Whereas here, we often discuss how if we launch a project, the people working on that project will retain the majority of the revenue generated from it.
We seek to foster talent and help people grow.
I've publicly donated to several people in several causes.
I'm not trying to start beef with him or anything like that.
I'm just saying, I think these people are just entertainment personalities who will claim to support a thing like Ethan Klein or whatever.
They'll feign being on a political side for entertainment value.
But I guarantee you, If it ever came down to seizing the wealth of Hasan Piker, he would fight you tooth and nail.
He would take up arms against a communist revolution in two seconds to stop the seizure of his multi-million dollar mansion in California.
phil labonte
I don't know about that.
serge du preez
He's bourgeois.
ian crossland
Okay, he's bourgeois.
And I agree with you, I don't like talking about it, I don't want to cause drama, but Anna's awesome.
tim pool
Remember that guy in California who was cheering on the rioting and posted a photo of the burning building?
And then as soon as they started marching towards Beverly Hills, he was like, No, don't come here!
That's what I'm talking about.
So I'm not saying I know for sure, maybe I'm wrong about Hasan.
I don't watch a ton of his stuff.
But the fact that even when I've tried, like, when I've agreed with him and Ana, they still act like I'm wrong.
It's the weirdest thing ever.
ian crossland
Was it the way you agreed?
phil labonte
No.
ian crossland
It was too tonally angry when you said it.
tim pool
I made a literal video where I was like, Hasan's totally right and everyone's wrong.
I'm gonna criticize him.
Here's why he's right.
He made a video laughing at me.
ian crossland
Oh, where you guys were, like, video response, picture-in-picture video response.
tim pool
Yeah, that was funny, that was pretty cool.
But, like, he made a video, and then I responded to it saying he was correct in his assessment, here's why, and then he made a video saying that I was wrong about a bunch of things, and then laughing at some of the points.
I'm like, I don't understand, like, I'm agreeing with you.
It is fake.
It is good for money, dude.
ian crossland
The drama is good for clicks and views and ad revenue, but we gotta get to a point where we get past that.
Just shuffle it off like ballast and get up into orbit.
tim pool
This is why I think the Culture War show, check it out at youtube.com slash TimCast, Friday mornings, 10am, is important because it's really hard for these people to pull this stuff off when they're live next to other people, which is why so many of the left refuse to come on shows live.
They know in their bubble world, like you were mentioning, where people, their audience isn't exposed to anything else, they can say whatever they want.
But when they're sitting here, everyone else can see them for who they really are.
Let's jump to this next story from Deadline, because we've got good news, and I'm really excited to cover this story.
Jim Caviezel's anti-child trafficking thriller, Sound of Freedom, notches $10 million pre-sales before July 4th.
And then we have this.
Sound of Freedom and Indiana Jones duke it out on July 4th for the number one spot.
Check this out.
Indiana Jones had $11.698 million over Sound of Freedom's $11.5 million.
Sound of Freedom was only a couple hundred thousand dollars away from being the number one film on the 4th of July.
There's a lot to consider here.
Indiana Jones made $83.7 million over the weekend, so most people who wanted to see the new Indiana Jones saw it over the weekend.
People aren't going to watch it twice on the 4th of July.
But still, the fact that an indie film is rivaling a major release only a few days later is tremendous.
Y'all should go see this movie for two big- for two reasons.
It's really good.
I think half the theater was crying for the first 45 minutes.
There's some really great story writing in there.
Really awesome stuff I'm not going to spoil.
The second reason is to help foster that parallel economy.
Supporting indie films that are outside of Hollywood so that industry can compete and flourish and we can push back against this garbage is extremely important.
ian crossland
I got some questions about Sound of Freedom.
You saw it.
Absolutely.
Amazing.
Is it a documentary?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Does it talk about the cobalt mines in Africa?
tim pool
No.
So it is specifically the story of Timothy Ballard, who was a U.S.
law enforcement, Homeland Security, and how he quit his job to go and rescue kids who were being trafficked.
Whoa.
And it is brutal.
ian crossland
And Jim plays, Jim Caviezel plays Ballard?
tim pool
You know, uh... You're like... Like... Man, everybody in the theater was crying.
Like, non-stop, throughout the first 45 minutes, and then again, like, 10 minutes later.
There's parts where you get happy because the heroes are winning.
You stop crying.
And then it goes back to what's going on in this world, and you're just, like, fighting back tears.
matt braynard
You know, uh... A lot of... You know, say what you will about him.
He's a guy with, obviously, some flaws, but... Mel Gibson.
This is his film.
tim pool
This is his?
matt braynard
Isn't it?
ian crossland
I don't know.
He's one of my favorite actors of all time.
I love him.
Mel, come over.
tim pool
I know he's working on a documentary about, I think it's about Ukraine and trafficking and stuff like this, but I don't know.
matt braynard
I'm kind of worried about wanting to go to going to see this and then walking out of the theater wanting to go like hunt down pedophiles or something and being like so But that's the point of the film.
tim pool
And by hunt down, the correct answer is support legitimate organizations that team up with international law enforcement to bring these people down.
This is what Ballard's organization does.
You want to stop these pedos and these traffickers?
And you want to get involved in that?
You watch this movie, and afterwards, that's exactly what I was thinking.
I was like, how are we not putting more money into stopping what's going on?
Because it is nightmarish.
ian crossland
It looks like Mel Gibson is not attached to this film, as far as I can tell.
Eduardo Verastegui is the producer, and we have Alejandro Monteverde as the director.
Written by Rod Bar and Alejandro himself, Monteverde.
So I don't think Mel is attached to this one.
matt braynard
Do you think, like, what ages do you think would be appropriate to see this?
tim pool
Oof, 18 and up.
matt braynard
Really?
tim pool
I mean, what's the rating on the movie, actually?
ian crossland
According to Jim Caviezel, Mel Gibson did weep when he saw the movie.
unidentified
Oh, bro.
tim pool
Like, everyone in the theater was crying.
matt braynard
There you go, that's what I was talking about.
tim pool
Everyone in the theater is crying.
I will say this.
I was on the verge of tears.
I just fought them back.
But everyone around me is crying.
What was the rating?
I'm looking it up.
I don't see what the movie was rated.
It doesn't show anything explicit.
But it's heavily implied.
Like, you know what's happening.
There's a scene where there's a little girl in the bed, and a creepy guy walks in, and then it shows out the window and he closes the blinds.
Like, you get it.
A kid would understand what was going on, but an adult would.
I don't think you want to bring kids to this movie.
matt braynard
And it's such a universally repulsive thing that this movie attacks and goes after.
Even in prison, you hear stories that the people that get it worst, the worst criminals the world will turn on, is the people that get sent to prison for abusing children.
So it's like a universal thing, at least in our culture, that this is the lowest of the lowest.
I think the point of this film is that it's not really being taken as seriously as it should.
tim pool
It's PG-13.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
How do you redeem people like that?
Pedophiles?
How do you redeem pedophiles?
How do you make them no longer pedophiles?
Yeah, I yeah, you're not like say it's the hardest thing obviously I'm not talking about except like well
tim pool
No, no, they they they they I'm fairly certain that they found recidivism among child abusers is like
ian crossland
That's the worst part And then it's the people that have been abused as kids grow up and then they think either it's okay because it happened to them or there's some sort of weird... So like, breaking that cycle is what humanity needs to do.
Because we can't just kill ourselves off and stop it that way.
That's not effective.
tim pool
You arrest them.
ian crossland
Well, that's one way you can slow it down.
tim pool
I gotta tell you.
I want to say this.
When I was watching this movie, I started having a whole bunch of thoughts about the moral philosophy of crime and punishment and the appropriate solutions and how you deal with these people because there's a lot of people that have advocated for the death penalty for traffickers, especially, and for pedophiles.
You watch this movie and you'll go, I completely understand the moral position.
The issue is, and I'm watching this movie.
I don't want to spoil anything, but let me just tell you.
There's no mustache-twirling villain.
There's not a guy who's like, we're taking kids!
It's like, the scary thing is the banality of it.
The guy who grabs a little girl and throws her in a cargo box and then gets handed an envelope of cash and walks away like nothing happened.
The simplicity, the horror of it.
I thought to myself, what is the punishment for destroying humanity in this way?
And I understand why people say that Through due process, quite literally.
Like, I'm not gonna play any stupid games and talk bravado.
Like, you arrest them, and then they get sentenced to death.
My fear, as always, with the death penalty, is that innocent people will get caught up in it.
And if...
One percent of the people who are charged are innocent, put to death.
We have a very, very, very serious problem.
I side with the Founding Fathers Blackstones formulation.
But when you see this film, it really makes it difficult.
And I thought to myself, I don't think the Founding Fathers understood the massive scale of child sex trafficking and slavery that would be happening when they were like, we should be very, very concerned.
Or maybe the reality is they truly understood the depravity of evil in this world and understood the importance of innocent until proven guilty and, you know, due process rights.
But I gotta tell you, I don't know what the solution is, but when you see these crimes being perpetrated, I, oh man, I just gotta tell you, I understand why people advocate for amending the laws to have the death penalty for child exploitation.
matt braynard
You know, one place to start would be to get our government to stop perpetuating this, because you know that in Afghanistan, this is kind of a big part of that culture, and the United States went to war against a regime that was very bad, but did outlaw this, and we allied ourselves with one that perpetuated it, and we had our own soldiers suffering PTSD.
Because their allies would go in the next room and molest a child, and they were ordered not to do anything about it.
And then they had to come back with that, knowing that they were protecting those people and perpetuating that government.
And they still have to live with that, and God knows what the children over there have to go through.
tim pool
There's a scene.
Man, I really don't want to spoil this movie.
But let me just tell you, so you can understand without spoiling the film.
This is about an undercover operation.
What do you think a person in an under... I shouldn't frame it like this.
The main character never does anything untoward.
But when you're in law enforcement...
Like, in the beginning of the movie, he's doing his job.
He has to review evidence.
And it's just, like, him crying the whole time.
And I'm just like... There's a scene in the trailer, so this is not a spoiler, where a guy's like, I cannot do this job.
And he, like, walks off.
It's like, yeah, dude, who could?
I'm surprised there's anybody who could stand that.
But if nobody does that job, these evil people get away with it.
ian crossland
And may turn other people into evil people.
That's the worst part about it is it affects children when they're young and then it can twist them early and... Dude, the writing is so good.
tim pool
I, like, I want to spoil the movie so bad because I want to tell you just how good it was, but I can't.
I gotta wait.
I gotta wait.
ian crossland
I had a fantasy about interviewing Charles Manson before he died because I thought if we can somehow get through to the worst of the worst and let them tell their story and you see why they became that way, maybe that's like a step towards antidote.
phil labonte
You don't think someone like Manson actually has, like, Is sick because I I think that there are some people that are that have mental illness that are really really sick and they need They need to be taken out of regular society Not big not because I want to not want them to or I because I think that that they deserve to be punished or whatever but because they're actually sick there are medications that do help and
There are people that, if they don't take their medication, they do behave in ways that are unacceptable, they harm themselves, they'll harm other people.
So I don't know that I agree with the idea that you can Figure out what's wrong and just love them back to health.
I think there's a lot of mental illness that is really, really, really sick people that really need the medications that they're on.
matt braynard
And he's right, and he's right for an even bigger reason.
You and him being on the edge of tears watching that movie, the reason you're on the edge of tears,
the reason it makes you upset and angry is because you have something that is called empathy.
And empathy requires your ability to map somebody else's mind to sort of simulate
what they are feeling and what they're experiencing.
Some people do not have the capability to do that.
It usually tracks with being lower intelligence.
That's why you have so many criminals that are also not very intelligent.
And the reason is that they don't have the ability to think about how another person would feel
on the receiving end of their behavior.
They don't know how to do unto others as you'd like to do unto yourself.
They have no idea how to imagine how anybody else would feel.
They'll punch you in the face without thinking about it because it never prevents us in many ways from doing evil things.
Gosh, if somebody did that to me, I would be horrified.
And you empathize, so these people don't have the ability to do that, and it's not something you can really create.
tim pool
You know, I think there's a simple way to view a movie like this.
In order for humans to survive, I'll put it in evolution terms, we protect children.
Why is it that a mama grizzly is going to maul you if you get too close to her babies?
Because of the love for her babies.
Why does that love exist?
Well, if we're going to simplify it in science, it's because if there is a species that does not care for its babies, it is less likely to procreate and survive and eventually will not exist.
So there's a couple different evolutionary strategies.
Bees just have tons of babies.
Just tons and tons and tons.
Like bugs.
That's what they do.
Rabbits run really fast, have lots of babies.
They do care about their young.
Mammals tend to.
Cats do.
Animals do.
When humans see children being exploited, abused in these horrifying ways, the overwhelming majority of humans have a natural anger and sadness response because we want to protect children.
We have to want it.
It's ingrained within us.
unidentified
Dude.
tim pool
You go see this movie.
The reason why I say- I give it a 10 out of 10.
Very few movies matter.
You go and watch a popcorn flick.
You go and watch Spider-Man.
You're like, that's fun.
You go and watch any one of these, you know, releases that have come out as of recent and it's just like Fast and the Furious.
I don't care about Fast and the Furious.
I mean, it's funny.
We joke about it.
It's silly.
You know, Vin Diesel's driving a car and the car is going to outer space with Ludacris or whatever and we're- and it's- and it's- and it's meaningless.
When you watch The Sound of Freedom, You're being told a story about something tremendous and meaningful that moves you in the real world.
These stories you hear about exploitation, based on a true story, obviously there's writing involved based on a true story, but they have real surveillance in this movie.
Like actual surveillance videos.
Not a part of the story, but they show it in like a certain kind, so you understand.
Like these things actually matter.
So you're watching a film, That is fiction, based on a true story, overwhelmingly true, but there's, like, obviously a lot of fiction in it, and the feelings you're getting are real emotions.
Whereas, like, when I'm rooting for Vin Diesel to defeat the bad guy, like, it's not a real fear.
I'm not really... I don't really care if he wins or not.
Once the movie's over, I'm gonna leave anyway.
I'm gonna leave and throw my popcorn in the garbage and be like, eh, and I'm gonna forget what happened to Vin Diesel a day later.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
This movie, you feel something about the real world that moves you.
And I'm like, that's why I think this movie is so good.
Not only was it really well produced, great music, great pacing, cinematography on par with any other Hollywood flick, which is impressive for an indie film.
It's like a story that makes you feel something real that actually matters.
That's impressive.
ian crossland
It sounds like it's called The Sound of Freedom because freedom is not pleasant.
It means you're aware of what's going on.
tim pool
The name is related to the film.
You'll understand if you watch the movie.
matt braynard
You know, there's a precedence for what you're saying this film, what you hope it to be.
A couple of times I can think of one example was a novel called Uncle Tom's Cabin.
And that led to the freedom of the slaves.
And you know, whether you agree with this or not, Brokeback Mountain moved the needle on support for, call it, gay marriage.
And in the same way, perhaps this film will motivate us to take this problem much more seriously and do something about it.
tim pool
Jim Caviezel says that.
He says that hopefully this film can be akin to Uncle Tom's Cabin and inspire people to do something about the slavery and trafficking that is currently happening around the world today.
There are more slaves in the world today than ever before, even when slavery was legal.
unidentified
100%.
serge du preez
Yup.
ian crossland
Well, it is legal in Africa and the Congo, and I don't see these tech companies doing much to try to stop that.
So if you want to protect the slaves, you can do it in real time right now.
Also, the border.
We need to protect the kids coming across the border.
tim pool
When I heard about this movie and people were saying, like, you should go see it, in no way did I think anything about it was a conservative movie or what was a faith-based movie.
I didn't hear anything about that.
I went and saw it and it was good.
And it's like, it's weird in the press.
Admittedly, a couple of outlets have praised the film, even saying, don't call it a conservative movie.
It's just a movie and it's really good.
And that's it.
There's a couple references to God in a very vague and nebulous way that doesn't even necessarily invoke religious connotations.
It's in the trailer, so I'm not, you know, spoiling anything.
It's actually the hashtag, God's Children Are Not For Sale.
ian crossland
That's why they thought it was a conservative movie, probably, because of that line.
tim pool
But that's not even like an overtly religious thing.
It's like destiny.
There's a line about, you know, when God gives you the calling, and it's like, Yo, you don't have to be Christian or religious to understand concepts of fate and destiny.
You know what I mean?
Just because someone says the word, like, regular, like, secular people can understand what it means to have fate.
So, like, anyway, I'll say this.
You're not gonna get any religious stuff out of this film.
You know, if you are religious, you'll love it anyway, and if you're not, there's no deep preaching or anything in it.
It's just a good... It's like, uh...
unidentified
I don't know, it's like any other law enforcement... Here's the crazy thing.
tim pool
I've seen these movies about, like, fighting the cartels before, but, like, the issue in the story is not something you actually care about.
Like, you watch a movie where it's based on a true story, stopping this drug cartel, I'm like, I don't care about a drug cartel.
Yeah, awesome movie.
I care that we stop drug trafficking, I care that we stop these bad guys, but, like, the issue of pulling over a truck with a bunch of cocaine in it does not move me.
Watching a dude save a child and seeing the reaction.
These actors, these kids were really, really phenomenal.
Seeing that, it's like someone reaches into your soul and starts squeezing and you can feel it.
I guess I gotta say, you see that movie.
But let's go to Super Chats!
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com, become a member.
The Members Only Show will be coming up at about 10 p.m., and we've got much, much more to talk about because there was a tragic incident that occurred these past couple of days, and we're gonna save this one because it could be spicy for the Members Only Show.
Alright.
NotYourBuddyGuy says, I am fully convinced leftism is civilizational cancer that metastasizes until the host ceases to exist.
Its values are the seven deadly sins.
We're not the first and won't be the last to face this threat.
I would say what we describe as leftism today, more so it's like wokeism and I guess what I'm trying to say is, if we're talking about left economic philosophy, a lot of it is really, really bad, but it's not absolute.
It's like yin-yang.
Within good, there's evil.
Within evil, there is good.
I think what we should clarify is, there is a cult that is an amalgam of weird leftist ideologies and economics that in many ways contradicts itself that is just burning things down.
That's how I see it.
ian crossland
Yes, that is important.
Mao used to denigrate the rightists.
He'd call them those on the right.
He actually called them rightists.
So this term leftist, be careful you don't become the enemy that you seek to quell by becoming the villain that's creating a lesser class.
It's really about the twisting of the left-right paradigm that is the problem.
tim pool
Alright, Bellyflop says I've been really liberal for trans adults, but it's gotten to the point where it's not enough to be an ally, as they say.
You have to pick a gender flag.
Conversion Agent Smith style, me, me, me.
There's a photo going viral of a woman carrying an asexual pride flag.
And she says, asexual people deserve rights and representation.
We've been discriminated against.
And it's just like, no, you haven't.
Literally not true.
There's no persecution for people who are not having sex.
In fact, that was actually required of people, you know, a long time ago in society.
It was socially unacceptable to have sex.
You had to not, unless you were married.
So, like, it's not a thing.
But there's flags for everything, though.
Everybody wants a flag.
This is very strange.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, I was going to wait until it dropped for home watch, but you've convinced me to see Sound of Freedom at a theater.
I hope all had a great start to MAGA month and a fun Independence Day holiday USA.
Absolutely.
unidentified
Yes.
serge du preez
Amen.
tim pool
I'm not your buddy guy says, I thought you were changing logos to US flag.
Yes, we have to do that.
I need to go in and find the I have the Twitter profile picture.
serge du preez
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
With the American flag.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
I think on Facebook you can just do it because it saves them.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
But on Twitter I have to actually pull up the file.
unidentified
But it is MAGA month.
ian crossland
I'll distribute a blue checkmark for a few days.
tim pool
It is MAGA month.
Yeah, I wonder how that'll work considering we're an organization, though.
serge du preez
I don't know if it will.
ian crossland
For your personal account?
tim pool
Well, because, like, we're all verified through a business account.
serge du preez
It's a different kind of verification, basically.
tim pool
So, like, I could...
Because of our business account, I can add someone's name and instantly get a blue check.
So we should be able to just change photos.
serge du preez
I think you will be fine.
tim pool
We will grab some more super chats.
Mind of a Madman says, I actually got to load some mortars for my family's fourth celebration.
It was awesome.
And I still have all my fingers.
You guys see that video of the backfire and all the fireworks in the car goes off and everyone's running?
ian crossland
I've seen some x-rays.
Oh yeah, I have.
Some hand x-rays of like eight of them or ten of them of what can go wrong.
That's wild.
serge du preez
I've seen it in real life.
It's scary.
tim pool
Spencer Jones says, Happy birthday, America.
Met Tim Ballard a few years ago, a real life superhero.
Go see Sound of Freedom.
Donate to OUR, oh, you are, that's Underground Railroad.
It's the organization he founded to help save kids.
Yeah, really cool stuff, man.
Absolutely.
unidentified
All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.
tim pool
Uh-oh, we got some criticism for you, Matt.
Kevin Brady says, Is Matt going to suggest we buckle up again before nothing happens?
matt braynard
Yeah, great.
I mean, Look Ahead has been doing a lot of work.
Just because the media doesn't cover it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
We've obtained multiple convictions for voter frauds.
We've gotten voters who are illegitimate removed from voter lists all over the country.
We've introduced and gotten legislation passed all over the country that's helping secure the election.
Check out lookaheadamerica.org.
We're putting up new wins every day.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
Let's see what we got with some Super Chats.
tim pool
J.R.
Williams in the regular chat with a blue bean.
He says, Tim has never read one of my super chats or super or SS's.
I don't know what SS stands for.
Well, I read that one, sir.
I read that one, sir.
I saw it.
ian crossland
SS is super sticker.
tim pool
Super sticker.
That's what I thought.
But like, you can't read that.
Like, do I just feel like, you know, here is a picture of a purple puff ball jumping up and down and dancing.
ian crossland
I wonder if we could show it on the screen.
tim pool
No.
serge du preez
I don't know how.
tim pool
Yeah, we don't know how.
We can't do that.
What do we got with the ol' Super Chats?
MichaelTB says, you can't take cocaine or any drugs into the White House as a visitor.
Trust me on this.
I know for sure there are dogs in the visitor entrance.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
No, for real.
Like, I had to go through, like, three layers of security when I went there.
This is insane.
serge du preez
Yeah, you need to, like, pass a background check before you go and everything.
tim pool
Yeah.
serge du preez
It's pretty strenuous.
tim pool
Christina H says, hi guys, any chance we will see Tim Ballard on the show soon?
I don't know, perhaps, perhaps.
We'll see.
We'll see.
Stay tuned.
Arashi Yoshida says, didn't Obama visit the White House in the past week or so?
That proves it.
ian crossland
Party time.
tim pool
That proves it.
ian crossland
I saw a video of Hunter Biden, like, he looked like he was tweaking out.
I think it was at the 4th of July celebration.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You can see that video's only a couple seconds long.
tim pool
Oh yeah, people are pointing and he looks like he's tweaking.
Raybert G. Stanbert Jr.
says, Tim, I'd just like to remind you of that working theory you had that Hunter is actually the hero of the story, trying to take his father down by destroying his reputation at every turn.
Yep.
Hunter's actually a very sound mind and he's like, my father is evil.
I will be the man who brings him down.
And then it's like his business partner, Devin Archer, whatever his name is, is like, don't do it.
You'll ruin your name.
And he's like, yes, but I'll save this country.
ian crossland
I'll do it.
He's undercover.
He's like, don't take the crack.
You'll get addicted to it.
unidentified
He's like, I have to.
ian crossland
I need to be the play of the role.
tim pool
It's the only way to save this country from my father.
I actually think Biden, Joe Biden, probably, I think he probably abused his kids.
serge du preez
Yeah, or neglected them.
tim pool
I think he abused them.
I mean, you look at all the videos of Joe sniffing kids and stuff like that, and the fact that Hunter Biden allegedly called his dad, what did he call him, pedo-pete or something like that?
matt braynard
Well, there was a journal entry.
tim pool
Right.
matt braynard
Right.
tim pool
Oh, I know.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Ashley, from Ashley.
unidentified
Inappropriate stuff, we'll just put it at that.
tim pool
We will grab some more Super Chats.
RP says, Ian, I remember Roger the Boring Dispatcher.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
What is that?
ian crossland
A friend of mine, a YouTuber, 2006 and 7, he was an actual truck dispatcher and we used to make videos and kind of hated each other at first and then we became friends and then I wrote a song about him called Roger, which is out there.
It's on Amazon and all sorts of platforms.
tim pool
All right.
He says, Tim, hire me just because.
We got a picture that just came in from Verdon Hurray.
I saw this, so I'm gonna read it now.
Listening from behind your guest, characterizing bottle workers as low-intelligent, innocent victims is elitist bigotry of low expectations.
These people don't need you to hold their hands.
matt braynard
I guess this guy's gonna take some of that money he threw at you and use a little bit more of it to give them jobs and help them pay their mortgages and keep their kids in school, etc.
tim pool
Perhaps.
Yeah, I feel bad they lost their jobs, but it's like, If there's a dude building, you know, a tower of evil, I'm not gonna be like, oh, what a good guy.
It's so unfortunate that he has no job now that we've stopped the evil from building their tower, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
My concern is, like, as citizens of the United States, and we've, with our tax money, have supported the overseas wars, the CIA coups, and things like that.
Like, are we not part of this evil machine?
And, like, what if we lose our jobs?
What does that mean?
matt braynard
Because we're all taxpayers at this table, right?
Are we not part of the evil just as much as these workers in North Carolina?
tim pool
By being taxpayers?
There's a big difference between being a taxpayer and working for Bud Light.
ian crossland
It's different, but I have a similar feeling when I think about what I'm supporting sometimes.
Would it be the righteous thing if that were to be stripped away from me as one of just the feeble workers of the system?
tim pool
There's certainly a, uh, one thing I find very laughable is this idea that people are, are, uh, insulated from being a part of any one of these machines.
Like, yeah, we, we pay taxes to the United States, which does a whole bunch of really awful and evil things.
And the reality is if we wanted to, we could go and live in the wilderness.
And people often say like, well, you can't because everyone owns something.
It's like, dude, trust me.
If you want it to, you can go live in the wilderness.
Like nobody's going to find you.
Like, yeah, there's, there's a lot of no man's land, you know, you just, Do you really want to do it?
Most people don't want to do it.
And they won't.
And so they end up paying taxes and being part of a machine that does really, really awful things.
But I look at the United States and paying taxes to it not as like supporting abject evil.
I think the U.S.
does bad things, but I think the U.S.
is overwhelmingly good.
We just have to fight from within to fix it.
We have the means to do so.
The people who work at Bud Light, less so.
I mean, I'm sure the bottle plant workers who are subcontracted could complain, but Bud Light clearly doesn't care and has no interest.
The people in this country can ballot harvest, ballot chase, vote, and actually get Donald Trump elected again, and then he can start making those changes.
We have seen tremendous changes made through the United States.
So, it's not absolute.
There's absolutely problems in this country that we are a part of and we help support.
But my point is, you know, somebody built Mordor, you know what I mean?
And I'm not gonna be upset that they've lost their jobs because Mordor collapsed when the Ring fell into the fires of Mount Doom.
ian crossland
All those workers on the Death Star?
tim pool
Yeah, seriously!
ian crossland
It's like a meme on the internet.
tim pool
And it is, like, to be honest, like, that's different.
Luke Skywalker, like, straight up killed millions of people, like- True.
ian crossland
Left with the kids, fatherless.
tim pool
Seriously, like, how many- the Death Star was a planet base, it was like a moon, and Luke Skywalker blew it up, and there were people there!
It's from clerks, they talk about the janitors and the contractors.
matt braynard
The contractors though, the thing is, when you work on the Death Star, you know you're working on the Death Star.
You're some guy that knocked your girl up out of high school, you decide to marry her, do the right thing, try to start a family, you take a job paying a little bit above minimum wage, and you're just filling bottles, and the next thing you know, some CEO who's never going to feel any pain at all from it does something dumb and suddenly you're out of- I have
sympathy. I just have tremendous sympathy.
tim pool
The people who work on the Death Star don't think they're working on the Death Star.
matt braynard
Oh, you know you're working on the Death Star.
tim pool
So you're saying that when someone gets hired by a contractor to build a building
for the government, they know they're evil.
matt braynard
There's a difference between putting on a uniform, taking a weapon, or going into a war zone and fixing a tank
in a war zone.
tim pool
I think there's a- The Death Star was a military base in outer space that wasn't in enemy territory, anything like that.
And a guy gets hired to build, like, microwave panels for one of the rooms.
matt braynard
With an empire that is at war.
The United States is an empire.
Well the point is the clerk says that you have to accept for some hostility for where you go to work
and my standard for people being a technical contractor going under the Death Star that you
know has a giant weapon that's going to blow up planets. Or did they?
ian crossland
I think they saw the- I bet the empire told them it was called Happyville.
The Death Star name is only the rebels that gave it that name.
tim pool
Well, yeah, it's Propaganda Man.
They probably called it, like, the USS Liberty or something.
matt braynard
But the clerk's example was, the second part is that a contractor knows a guy is a mobster and turns down a job to fix the roofing on his house because he knows he's a mobster.
Whereas he could have just been greedy and said, yes, he's going to pay me twice what I normally get.
I'll go.
He said, no, I'm not going to do it.
And that was the guy who overheard the conversation, interrupts, saying, you know, actually those people who take the job on the Death Star, they should accept some responsibility.
But I'm sorry, I just can't see a bottle working on the Death Star and working in a bottle plant for... Manhattan Project.
tim pool
People did not know what they were building.
Nobody knew.
That's the famous story of how it was compartmentalized, and there were theories about what it could or couldn't be, but no one really knew for sure.
matt braynard
Once you get to the Death Star, and you look around and see the uniforms the people are wearing, you're not screaming, like, these are the bad guys.
phil labonte
I know you're a military, that's for sure.
The Empire, the people, the average citizen in the Empire still thought that they were living under the good guys.
ian crossland
The Republic.
phil labonte
Yeah, because in the beginning of Star Wars, of episode four, like they say, you know, we just dissolved the Senate.
The Imperius, the last vestiges of the old Republic have gone away.
So people didn't really know that it was the bad guys.
They were cheering for the end of the Republic.
tim pool
And the Death Star already existed.
matt braynard
But are you not saying that the name Death Star didn't kind of give it away a little bit?
phil labonte
I don't imagine that the average person on... I don't think the average person... I don't think the people on Coruscant called it the Death Star.
tim pool
Yeah, like the people working on it, it's like we're building a space station for the Empire.
ian crossland
The Preserver it was called.
tim pool
And they probably called it, like, the Republic still existed when they were building it, and they probably said the Republic has commissioned a orbital space station.
matt braynard
And I'm installing a laser on it that can blow up an entire planet.
tim pool
No, you're not installing a laser on it.
matt braynard
Who installed the laser?
tim pool
You're saying one guy built the nuclear bomb.
One guy was like, I'm gonna build this all by myself.
matt braynard
You know if you're building a laser.
tim pool
Maybe.
ian crossland
Maybe some of them knew.
tim pool
Some of them didn't.
Are we not defending the contractors on the desk?
The highest, like, you actually had people like, you know, was it Oppenheimer who said,
I am become death?
Yeah.
Some of these people knew exactly what they were doing and said it, but the average person
working on the project had no idea.
So I'm saying this, look.
matt braynard
Are we now defending the work, the contractors on the desktops?
tim pool
Absolutely.
unidentified
Defending them in this, in this sense.
matt braynard
Well, how can you defend them and not the bottle plant workers?
tim pool
No, no, no, let me finish.
matt braynard
Okay.
tim pool
I did defend the bottle plant workers.
I am sad that they lost their jobs.
I don't blame them for what Bud Light did, but I'm not going to cry that they're no longer propping up the banality of evil.
The people working for the Death Star who were killed by Luke Skywalker in this terror campaign to blow up a military base.
phil labonte
Religious fundamentalists, crazies.
tim pool
Religious fundamentalists on a terror campaign blowing up a military base.
Call it whatever you want.
There were people who did not know what was going on.
And, like you said, some people take responsibility for the things they choose to do.
If you don't know that you are providing a major component to a weapon of mass destruction,
I'm not going to be like, well, you know, you're absolved.
phil labonte
Like over two and a half million citizens of the Republic were on that space station
and they all lost their lives.
How can you say that that's okay?
tim pool
How many civilian, like, but how many civilians who weren't working there?
Like what about people's families?
You know what I mean?
But anyway, I digress on the Star Wars point because it is a bit silly.
The point is, throughout history, there have been tyrannical regimes.
And there have been soldiers who marched along with those tyrannical regimes, doing jobs that we would describe as mundane.
Filing paperwork or mopping floors.
But these people still get held accountable for being a part of these regimes.
matt braynard
That's true, but the people who mostly suffer from these regimes are the people at the very bottom, with no say, no agency at all, who get grinded up in the gears of history and are forgotten and are turned to dust.
tim pool
But that's immaterial to, like, we... Yes, absolutely.
The idea that the... I mean, look, there are wars where the kings or leaders of countries lose and then say, well, you know... Actually, I'll give you an example from The Patriot, Mel Gibson.
Love this movie.
When Mel Gibson starts taking out the officers of the British forces, he actually has a meeting with the guy and he's like, we want the cessation of, you know, the killing of officers.
And he goes, no.
So long as your officers are ordering the targeting of women and children, I will order my men to fire on them on sight.
The Cornwallis was like, you can't target the officers!
Like, we're special people!
And he was like, too bad.
Like, it has always been the case that the nobles will go to war and be like, well, you've bested me, shall we have a pint?
matt braynard
People- but look- We're not shooting the officers in this case, though.
We're shooting, like, the people who are, like, way behind the lines, maybe working supplies or something like that.
tim pool
It's like, imagine you're- imagine it's the Civil War, and there's a bunch of Southern Confederates conscripted into the war, and they're marching on Gettysburg, and you're like, no, no, no, don't fire on them!
They don't know what they're doing!
Let them keep doing their thing.
Like, bro, they are the war.
matt braynard
Yeah, but if you just shoot the generals and a couple officers, they'll go home, back to their farms.
tim pool
But that's not possible, because they're shielded.
Not in this case, but... So the issue is, the people at these bottling plants are the ones who make Bud Light the money, and are the ones responsible for all of it.
I don't blame them as individuals, but I am not going to cry that they lost their jobs.
We want... When we said, I hope Bud Light goes out of business, did people, like, not realize that meant they would lose their jobs?
matt braynard
I just wanted the executives who made the decisions to be fired and never employed again.
tim pool
That's ridiculous, though!
That's never gonna happen!
matt braynard
But otherwise, like, you use the term collateral damage.
tim pool
Well, look, the last person to be fired is going to be the people who are at the top.
matt braynard
I hear you.
I hear you.
tim pool
When the company is a smoldering pile of economic figurative rubble, then they'll only be fired because there's no more money left, not because anybody fired them.
Who fires the boss?
The board?
The board and the CEO are going to protect each other, depending.
I really doubt they're going to go after him.
And it's the people who build the machine.
This idea that it's like, The machine is made by the individual laborers who all come together in this big, big swarm to make Bud Light possible.
So when we said that we hoped Bud Light would go out of business or be knocked down, quite literally we're saying thousands will lose their jobs.
matt braynard
That's pretty rough.
But I hear where you're coming from, I just have a point of disagreement with it.
tim pool
Yeah, the job economy thing is kind of like, they use it as an excuse to propel crappy- My position is- The whole thing that everyone has to have a job is like- There is no circumstance where our boycott would lead to higher ups at Bud Light losing their jobs.
Sure, sure, sure.
matt braynard
Didn't the people who made the decision lose their jobs?
tim pool
A couple of marketing VPs.
matt braynard
But the person who actually made the decision.
ian crossland
Alyssa Heinershed, she's the one that actually made the decision.
tim pool
So like one person lost their job and the company doubled down?
matt braynard
But it was one person's decision, ultimately.
tim pool
So why is Bud Light still sponsoring all these Pride events?
matt braynard
I guess they need some more pressure.
tim pool
All they did was do a PR stunt and ignored the problem.
But now the machine is actually crumbling, and that means when the machine crumbles, people who work on the machine lose their jobs.
There's no circumstance where the higher-ups of the company take responsibility for this.
I mean, look at the DeSantis campaign.
His supporters defend him when he does things that are bad.
He won't fire his press team.
It doesn't happen.
We want there to be accountability, but the idea that, like, It's just not the real world.
The real world is that Bud Light is made by individuals to the tens of thousands.
The only way Bud Light stops getting made is if those individuals stop working to make Bud Light.
You can fire the CEO, they'll hire a new one.
You can fire that Alyssa Heiner, Shida, whatever her name is, and they still keep sponsoring the project.
matt braynard
But if these people had quit their job, they just would have been replaced.
And honestly, these jobs are less than 10 years away from complete automation anyway.
tim pool
You're right, they would be replaced, except if you get the plant to shut down completely, which happened.
matt braynard
Well, they'll find another plant, Capital will find it.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
They're not finding another plant.
The plant's shut down because no one's buying the beer and the bottles aren't going anywhere.
ian crossland
Where was the plant?
Do you guys know?
tim pool
Louisiana.
The point is this.
They didn't shut the plants down because of cost.
They shut it down because nobody is buying the beer.
You can't make product people won't buy.
matt braynard
Right, but your position is like, if you're a worker at this plant, you should have been paying attention to social media and caught way ahead of the outrage.
unidentified
Yes.
matt braynard
Hey, they're about to release a can with a transgender person.
tim pool
Not about to.
You had three months notice afterwards when the boycott started to start looking for work elsewhere.
ian crossland
It's kind of like people that didn't know to get their money out of the stock market before the Great Depression.
I have compassion for those people, but they lost their money.
serge du preez
Almost no one did.
ian crossland
Because they didn't know.
Some people knew.
Some people got out and put cash in their backyard.
Some people bought hard assets.
tim pool
I do not accept the argument that people are not responsible for their own lives.
I remember when I was a little kid, I was late to school one day because a train came.
And when I got to school, they marked me late, and I had to tell my parents and get a form signed.
My dad said, why are you late?
And I said, well, it wasn't my fault.
There was a train.
And he said, you know the train tracks are there.
That's your fault.
You should have left early to not get stopped by the train.
matt braynard
How old were you?
tim pool
Thirteen.
matt braynard
Would they have held you to that account if you were five or six?
tim pool
walking by myself? You're talking about 40 and 40 year old men.
matt braynard
But again, there's an age at which, or there's certain look, yeah, the guy's working at the bottom line is four years
tim pool
old.
matt braynard
Yeah. But the bottom line is that every American, every person here, I think believes in justice.
And when somebody makes a bad decision that they're the people that ultimately need to
be held accountable for it. Whereas people who had no man, they get home at the end of the day,
they spend a little time with their kids, their wife, they have a nice, maybe one beer and a nice
unidentified
there and they go they're not paying attention.
tim pool
I'm glad they lost their jobs.
The idea that you could ignore your civic responsibilities and not know what you're building is absurd to me.
matt braynard
There was one can that was issued as a promotion and it blew up.
That is incorrect.
tim pool
Dylan Mulvaney sponsored a contest, drinking several beers, and put out a- It was not- See, this is the lie the media put out.
It was one promotional, I can't- No.
Dylan Mulvaney made a video with a bunch of beers, and it said, support this contest, or something like that, and drank the beers, and Dylan Mulvaney said that they were hired by Bud Light, and then Bud Light basically abandoned them.
So if the issue is Bud Light decided to do this thing, and it caused a backlash, and Bud Light refuses to apologize, doubles down on sponsoring more of these events over and over again where nude men are dancing and thrusting in front of children, which they did, and it keeps happening, and you are working at a plant that makes Bud Light, and you're like, well, I don't care, I'm getting paid.
I'm glad you got fired.
I hear you.
Every person has a civic responsibility.
This is the frustrating thing to me.
Going to West Virginia, 86% supporting Trump, and the people there don't pay attention, don't vote, don't organize, they do nothing.
To a certain extent, I don't blame people for not wanting to jump into this political conflict, but we need to recognize that individuals have responsibility to their country, to their families, to their communities, and it is being abandoned too often by the right, but the left revels in their cult-like behavior.
That's why they gain so much ground.
So for Bud Light to do this, and for people to be like, well, it's been two months, Bud Light's doubling down, people are mad, sales are dropping, every week we can see... I'm gonna keep working here.
Sorry.
matt braynard
I just don't think these people had any awareness, and it's unreasonable to have that expectation.
That's why it's their fault.
I hear you, look...
You are technically right.
If you work for a company and they're doing things that could cause you to lose your job, you should say, yeah, there's a problem here.
I'm smart enough to recognize I need to kind of get it, or I have the options to, but a lot of these people, they just, so look.
I have a jobs program at Look Ahead America for people who have gotten out of prison for J6, because they've got two strikes against them.
They've committed a crime they've convicted, but they also have the burden of being a J6er, right?
Which makes it even harder to employ them.
And we promote, we try to find employers to place with them, and we try to find people that can, that have suffered from this who need help with employment.
And we do that at lookaheadamerica.org.
If you lost your job at this plant in North Carolina, we're going to open up this program for you to do our best to help you find a new job.
And if you're an employer in North Carolina, please sign up to help us.
tim pool
I'm going to read one more super chat, it's a good one, and then we're going to go to the members show at TimCast.com.
Phalanx says, the Empire didn't call it the Death Star, it was called Project Stardust according to Rogue One.
ian crossland
Oh, nice!
tim pool
So we're going to go to the members only show, so smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, that's where the members show will be.
In a few minutes, you can follow the show at TimCast IRL, you can follow me personally at TimCast.
Matt, do you want to shout anything out?
matt braynard
I do.
Look, mostly—sometimes I agree with people largely, and they say something I disagree with and just let it go, but sometimes they say something that's very dangerous.
And recently, Mike Lindell has done this.
And he initially did it in a conversation with what I consider a good friend, a great patriot, Scott Pressler.
Scott Pressler is advocating that we need an all-of-the-above strategy for voter turnout, that we need to encourage people to vote early, especially those who are not inclined already to show up and vote on Election Day.
And we see this happening again and again, and it's important that these people have their voices heard, and it's affecting the outcome of elections, whereas Mike Lindell, maybe best of intentions, but he's saying that no, we can't do that, and he says, you know, these people are 100% wrong.
He's quoted in the New York Times saying that we should only have same-day voting, shouldn't encourage people to do anything else.
Mike, I put my head on your pillow every night to sleep, but you're wrong about this, and I am challenging you to a debate.
You named the time and the place.
I think maybe we can do it here or on one of the other affiliated shows here at the TimCast World.
But I think you're wrong about this, and I think we need to have a public discussion about that between you and me.
And I welcome you anytime, anyplace to discuss the importance of this issue because it's going to have a big impact.
And anytime, Mike.
Let's do it.
tim pool
We should have you guys on the Culture War.
matt braynard
I'd be happy to do it.
tim pool
Mike Lindell!
Come on down to the Culture War podcast.
We'll get you guys and we'll talk about voting.
That'd be really fun.
Would love to do it.
We'll see if we can make that happen.
That'd be cool.
phil labonte
I think it'd be fun.
I'm Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains.
The band is All That Remains.
On Instagram, it's All That Remains.
On YouTube, it's All That Remains Music.
Spotify, Pandora, all that stuff.
ian crossland
And he is Matt Brainerd on Twitter.
Matt Brainerd, thanks for coming, man.
What's the name of your organization again?
The Joppa Day of the Jobs website.
matt braynard
Look Ahead America and the website is lookaheadamerica.org and it's lookaheadamerica.org slash jobs4j6.
ian crossland
Is it the number four or jobs4j6 spelled out?
matt braynard
Good question.
F-O-R.
ian crossland
Thanks.
matt braynard
Jobs4J6.
And if you're a J6er and you're having a hard time finding employment because you got all these strikes, we do have employers that are willing to give you a shot.
So, we've hooked up many people with employment and let us help you.
ian crossland
Thanks for coming, man.
Great to see you again.
Also, special shout out to Conservative Dad's Ultra Ripe Beer.
I had, I think, six of them over the weekend, although it was a long weekend.
It might have been four or five.
It was a lot and it was very good.
I don't normally drink, but when I do, lately I've been drinking Conservative Dad's Ultra Ripe Beer.
We have it stocked in the fridge downstairs.
And also, I want to say goodbye.
Have a nice evening.
See you later.
serge du preez
That was a good one.
Thanks, guys.
My name is Serge.com.
And remember, guys, it's not about how hard you get hit.
It's about how hard you get hit and continue to stand up and keep going.
So like you said, I feel bad for people losing their jobs, but people lose jobs.
That's life.
You have to get a new job.
It's on you.
It's your responsibility.
I hope they can find work.
Follow me on the internet.
I made a Threads thing because, I don't know, it's not gonna win.
It'll be done in a little while, but... Oh, Threads is out?
Uh, it came out today, so I made a stupid post saying, are y'all thready for this, or something, just because I wanted to make a joke.
tim pool
Well, let's go to the members-only show!
So, head over to TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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