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July 6, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Zuck's Threads Faces LAWSUIT For STEALING Twitter Secrets Says Elon Musk w/Lauren Chen

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ian crossland

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phil labonte

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Mark Zuckerberg has launched his app, Threads.
		They call it the Twitter Killer, and I signed up to check it out, and it is awful!
		I'm not just trying to play some stupid tribal games.
		The main feed on Threads is a bunch of random people I don't follow.
		So I sign up for this new Twitter killer, and I'm like, alright, let's check this out.
		And I go to my homepage, and there's like some dude named Roderick talking about how him and J-Boys was going down to the Courts Hall for a new drink, and I'm like...
		I have no idea what this guy's talking about.
		I don't want to follow him, and you have to block them.
		And so people are literally like, well, I guess what you do is if you see a post you don't like, block the person so you never see it again.
		The whole thing is this.
		I'm getting a bunch of weird brands and garbage I don't care about.
		But anyway.
		It sucks.
		But we'll talk more about it and where it's at because sure enough there is room to improve and some people are excited there's an alternative to Twitter because some people are still banned on Twitter.
		But here's where it gets interesting.
		Twitter is threatening to sue Meta for stealing trade secrets.
		Why?
		According to Twitter, Mark Zuckerberg hired Twitter employees who had access to proprietary information from Twitter which they used to make the new app.
		Very interesting.
		So we'll see.
		Right now, a cease and desist letter was sent out.
		Elon Musk called it cheating.
		We'll talk a bit about that.
		And then as it pertains to good old Joe Biden, oh boy.
		Politics, you gotta love it.
		Apparently, the cocaine they found was actually near the Situation Room.
		Yeah, not just the West Wing.
		Dan Bongino mentioned that this has gotta be someone in the family, someone who can bypass security, and that's exactly what we're saying, but hey, he would know better than we would.
		So, I think everybody kinda knows where that stuff came from, so we'll talk about that.
		Also got a bunch more little stories here.
		We do have another big one with Joe Biden.
		They're effectively trying to overturn the First Amendment.
		You know, I want to avoid being hyperbolic, but the filing from the Biden administration seeks to grant them the authority to have private organizations censor the political speech of people they don't like.
		And it is an unprecedented move.
		It's insane.
		Effectively, the Biden administration is filing an appeal for the right to bypass the First Amendment.
		Shockingly insane.
		So we'll talk about that.
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		Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Lauren Chen.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for having me.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Super stoked to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So my name is Lauren Chen.
		I am a Blaze TV host as well as a TPUSA contributor and I also make videos on YouTube.
		So I have my own channel, Lauren Chen, and another channel, Mediaholic, where we talk about Pop culture, entertainment, movie reviews, and then my main channel is more current events, social and political issues, and I basically am everywhere on social media, and I don't know, I feel like I'm often very angry on social media.
		There's a lot of things to talk about politically in terms of entertainment that are not going well, so I guess I'm an angry person online.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what we do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We complain about things on the internet for a while.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then it's like we're making content.
		That's content.
		People are watching it.
		They like it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, thanks for hanging out.
		It should be fun.
		We got Phil Labonte.
		He's here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
		I am Phil Abate, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
		Good to see you guys.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hi, everybody.
		Ian Crossland, ready to rock and roll.
		Let's move it!
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		All right, Ian.
		As you say, imsurge.com.
		Ready when you are, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Check out this story from ABC News.
		Twitter sends meta cease and desist letter over new threads app, say sources.
		Now, this is confirmed.
		Elon Musk has even called it out.
		He said, competition is fine.
		Cheating is not.
		Twitter Daily News tweeting, Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over systematic, willful, and unlawful misappropriation of Twitter's trade secrets and IP, as well as scraping of Twitter's data in a cease and desist letter sent yesterday to Zuckerberg by Elon's lawyer Alex Spiro.
		I have to wonder, recently we heard that Twitter was limiting how much, how many tweets you could see, and they said it was because people were stealing data.
		I wonder if it's because Elon found out Meta was actually scraping data to use for their new app.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Mark Zuckerberg doing something untoward in regard to intellectual property?
		That doesn't sound right, guys.
		Mark Zuckerberg wouldn't do that.
		It's not like he has a history of that with the very creation of Facebook.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To be fair, his history of trying to create rival alternative social media platforms has not fared too well for him.
		That's true.
		They tried to do a Signal-type thing, didn't work out.
		They tried to do a Snapchat-type thing, didn't work out.
		I am pretty sure threads will not work out.
		Look, man, it might, but it is a really bad platform.
		There are people on the left who are tribally just saying, woo, it's so much better, and I'm just like, dude.
		You log into the app.
		I'm going to log in right now.
		I'm going to pull it up.
		So first of all, it's recommending AOC to me like crazy.
		I do not follow AOC on this.
		So there are people I follow.
		And I do see their posts.
		Okay, what's this?
		Puberty.
		What is it?
		Puberty?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've seen Puberty before.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The largest and most populated city on Earth, Tokyo, Japan.
		That's a cool picture.
		I don't care.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I follow them on Instagram, where I at least get recommended them a lot.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I think they're just like a general interest kind of now this or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Paris Hilton?
		Oh, that's great.
		Uh, let's see.
		Complex Magazine?
		Don't know what that is.
		Ellen Degeneres?
		Not interested.
		I don't know who that person is.
		I don't know who that person is.
		Like, these are- These are people posting things about, like, their day that have nothing- Like, I'm getting recommended the dude who made threads.
		I don't care about this.
		Look, my whole feed- Look at this.
		Like, none of it is people I follow.
		So- Micr- I'm getting tweets.
		Threads from Microsoft.
		Yo.
		I don't want to look at a feed of random advertisements.
		That's what it is.
		It's all ads.
		It's the algorithm saying, here's something you might like.
		Here's something I don't like it.
		I don't like it.
		What am I supposed to do?
		You can't turn it off.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		When you sign up for Threads, does it connect to your Facebook account?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can have it connect to your Instagram.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So how do you download it anyway?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think you go to, well, it's in the Play Store, but I had to go to Threads.net to download it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is it called Threads?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like Threads comma a meta app or something like this.
		It's recommending me Ted Cruz.
		Okay, I don't follow Ted Cruz or AOC.
		At least it's not just AOC.
		Jubilee Media.
		What is this one?
		The Blaze TV?
		I don't follow The Blaze.
		No, but seriously.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		They get suspended all the time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is weird that it's recommending The Blaze to me.
		I don't- I don't- I- Look.
		That's not the least of it.
		It's very limited in what's available to do on the platform.
		But here's- The one thing I said on threads as to why it's not that good...
		Look, I don't care what my favorite nature photographer has to say.
		At all.
		I don't follow people on Instagram, I follow people who play poker, I follow people who skateboard, who scoot, who BMX, some nature, a couple travel people, and some parkour people.
		I'm not an Instagram for a newsfeed.
		So when I start threads and it's like, here are the people you follow, it's like, oh sure, I follow PragerU, and a few people for some of their political stuff, but it's mostly not.
		Here's ultimately what I think, and the reason why I bring up the algorithmic feed.
		I think what the powers that be feared the most in terms of social media was curated feeds, which created tribes and hives.
		People go on Twitter, they follow only the opinions they like, and they create these bubbles where they separate themselves from everybody else.
		I think what Instagram wants to do, what Mark Zuckerberg wants to do, YouTube does the same thing.
		They want to eliminate the ability for you to create a curated feed.
		This has been true on YouTube forever.
		Subscriptions on YouTube are completely meaningless and have been for 10 years.
		Everybody knows that when you- It's the homepage.
		Yeah.
		When you subscribe to a channel, it doesn't matter.
		You're not gonna get fed that content.
		It's gonna be whatever's on the homepage.
		So YouTube chooses if you're actually there and gives this impression that your subscriber count matters, but it really doesn't.
		It really doesn't.
		Instagram meta, they want to do the same thing with Twitter, so that when you sign up for threads, they're really hoping that it does shut down Twitter, and then this is what the future will be.
		You will be forced to follow the likes of the Young Turks, you'll be forced to follow the likes of AOC or Ted Cruz.
		Perhaps they think it'll be a healing thing to bring the sides together so that everyone will have a shared narrative.
		But let's be real.
		They've already censored DC Drano.
		If you try to follow him, it warns you that he's fake news.
		We know exactly where it's going.
		You're gonna follow conservative and libertarian, disaffected liberals.
		Those are going to get deranked without you knowing.
		They're going to prop up people like AOC and neocons, you know, acceptable Republican personalities, Ted Cruz for instance, and they're going to try to excise the likes of, you know, anyone outside the political machine.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Big problem for me with centralized media in general, and it's part of why I don't like this idea that Elon's been pushing to create an app for everything, a one-stop app, the X app, because if Elon don't like you, Alex Jones, he can just ban you from everything then.
		If you're putting everything through a central server, same with Meta, man.
		Too much power.
		The DC Drano got already put on a list, or was on a list.
		I don't like it, man.
		I don't like it.
		And you can't force people to get out of their silos.
		You gotta let them do it on their own.
		You gotta inspire them to do it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		The only interest I would have in an alternative to Twitter is even more free speech.
		Because like you said, Elon, he's not totally, he has this personal vendetta against Alex Jones.
		I actually think that he doesn't want to get banned from the App Store.
		But it's more unpopular to say that than to say, oh, I just have a very strong opinion about his treatment of the Sandy Hook people.
		But in any case, you're not going to get more free speech from anything Mark Zuckerberg owns than something that Elon Musk owns.
		So in my opinion, why?
		I mean, I can understand if you're a leftist and you want more content moderation, you would rather have a threads conversation than a Twitter conversation, because the moderation is going to be more what you're looking for.
		But I mean, for people like DC Drano, it's never going to be as free as Twitter is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know what will make the magic if Threads and Twitter come together and cooperate?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Threads has stated they will soon be on the Thetaverse.
		So this is actually really interesting.
		I think the Thetaverse is a very very important move for social media that can actually fix a lot of the problems.
		For those that aren't familiar, it's effectively The internet of social media.
		So, imagine this.
		Imagine early, early internet, to go to a website, you're like, you log into AOL, and then AOL shows you a list of things you can click.
		But there are websites, of course.
		Today, you have Twitter, you have Facebook, you have YouTube.
		You can go on that platform and see people.
		With the Fediverse, all of these different apps will interlock with each other, so you can go onto Threads and see someone's tweet.
		You could see someone's BlueSky post, someone's Mastodon post, someone's Gab post.
		So that's actually a very, very good thing.
		However, if that is the case, there's no reason to use Threads because it's a Zuckerberg platform.
		You might as well just use any of the other Fediverse apps.
		But that stops censorship.
		If we can get a Twitter-like system, if we can get federated networks, what happens is, you might sign up for Threads, because it's easy, you can see posts from Phil on Twitter, and then you can, you know, Threads might be like, we're blocking Twitter from our network because we don't like him, but Phil can then sign up for any other Fediverse app or connect that way and syndicate.
		So, ultimately, you can't be censored.
		In fact, you can even create your own website with your own protocol where you can never be banned because your username would be like ian at iancrossland.net or whatever.
		So then people would just follow you from your website.
		So it's kind of like RSS feeds turning Twitter into a network of servers instead of one centralized platform.
		So that's good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, there's actually these things called ENS domains.
		E-N-S.
		It's Ethereum Network Server names, I believe.
		They think it might be like your ID on the web 3.0.
		And you go to like ens.domains.
		But you buy it with crypto.
		And it's like you can use yourname.eth, E-T-H, which is the Ethereum thing.
		You pay Ethereum for it.
		That might be one way to have like a...
		A presence that can bounce around from network to network or where you control your own.
		Because it'll be like a wallet where you have your money and your ID all together where you can log into all these different sites.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And imagine if nobody could ban you because nobody owns your server.
		All they can do is block you.
		That's the way it should be.
		The problem now is with Threads or Twitter or any other platform, there's some dude who's like, I'm just going to ban you.
		You can't do that in the real world.
		You can't get banned from like walking down the street and saying your opinions.
		To a certain degree you can, of course, because people lie, cheat, and steal all the time, and corrupt government officials will try and play dirty games.
		The point is, we are protected in expressing our opinions.
		I hope that's where this all goes.
		I don't know what Jack Dorsey is working on, but I just want to give a shout out to Jack Dorsey because he recently did a podcast interview where he said that JFK was assassinated by the CIA.
		And he got very into it, and he's like, so you're saying... He's like, yes, at that point was when the American dream was stripped away, when our own government, the CIA, killed a sitting president.
		I was like, wait, what?
		Wow, Jack.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But wait, didn't they basically admit that?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if they admit it, I know Tucker's said it, Ron Paul said it, like we're at the point where basically it is the widely accepted- Maybe I'm too far down the conspiracy rabbit hole for too many things where I'm just like, yeah, I thought we were all on the same page, like yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love the Kennedy assassination conspiracy, because there are people who say it's multiple gunmen, you know, and it's Lee, Howard, V. Oswald, it's all pinned on this one guy, but like, The story of Lee Harvey Oswald is crazy.
		First, he screamed out, I'm a patsy, as they were carrying him away.
		They found his gun in the building that he was in, like, on another floor.
		So, like, if you're gonna go- Then he gets killed.
		Yeah.
		And then someone comes up and kills him.
		But, like, if you're gonna commit that crime, you wouldn't, like, put your gun in a room and go upstairs and have lunch afterwards.
		Who in their right mind?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I did not want to ignite a JFK conspiracy conversation.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love that conversation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just shouting out Jack Dorsey because I saw that clip.
		But the point is, you know, he made Blue Sky.
		I do want to say one thing, one last thing before we move on.
		There was a funny post I saw where this Twitter user said, it is 2023 and I am joining Mastodon.
		It is 2023 and I am joining Blue Sky.
		It is 2023 and I am joining Threads.
		And it's a picture of Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen, like, sitting on Mars.
		I just thought that was really good.
		I'm like, you guys, stop trying.
		It's not gonna work.
		Threads is already censoring things.
		You can't curate your feed.
		The point of Twitter is that it is where we are angry with each other.
		That's it.
		Sorry, have a nice day.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, because Mastodon, that was already the left-wing alternative to Twitter.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mastodon was bound to fail just because it's not an easy thing to use.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did try to log on and create an account just so I could kind of see what the leftists were talking about.
		It was not very intuitive, and I'm kind of a boomer, I'll admit.
		But still, it wasn't nearly as easy as Twitter.
		But I think even the leftists who claim that they want all the, you know, the quote, right-wing extremists banned, they know that Twitter is fun because of that conflict, that they can't stay away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's what I think.
		The right wants to debate the left.
		They want to have this big conversation.
		The left wants to ban everyone on the right.
		The thing is, Twitter is the water cooler, it is the town square, so the left wants the right banned from it so they have a monopoly on the narrative.
		The right wants to use the platform to engage in debate.
		It does not work for either if the other leaves.
		If these liberals and leftists leave and go to Mastodon, they're no longer in town square, they have no narrative control, there's no point in being there.
		Sure, you've banned all the conservatives, but now you have no influence.
		For conservatives, if there's no one to talk to but each other, it's boring.
		There's no debate.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, they want the conservatives, the leftists want the conservatives on the platform so they're able to feed the conservatives what they want them to see.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		They don't want conservatives in their own echo chamber because then they're going to be talking about the leftists in a way that they don't like.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to pull up this tweet from Alvin.
		Elon Musk responded to this tweet with an exclamation point.
		He said, Dear God, what the F. I give you now this image.
		Threads.
		An Instagram app.
		I'll give you the short version.
		They're basically spying on you in every way imaginable.
		Data safety.
		Let's see.
		Data shared.
		Personal info.
		Device or other IDs.
		Data collected.
		Location, personal info, financial info, health and fitness, messages, photos and videos, audio, files and docs, calendars, contacts, app activity, web browsing, app info and performance, device or other IDs.
		Now that's amazing.
		They do say it's encrypted.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can you say no to those?
		There's these caret drop downs on the right.
		Can you click those?
		I mean, this isn't obviously interactable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is basically saying what they're doing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So look at this.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like you have to opt in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have your location.
		They have your name, email, user ID, address, phone number, political or religious beliefs,
		sexual orientation.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A lot of times you'll be able to opt out, but they'll opt you in if you don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They take your financial info, your credit score.
		You are giving them...
		If this is legitimate, I just want to make sure, someone posted this and assuming this
		is real, you're giving your credit score, your health info and fitness info, so how
		much you weigh, your blood levels.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Advertisers must be so aroused right now.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		This is everything they could possibly want on us.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're giving your emails?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Voice or sound recordings?
		Files and documents.
		Quite literally, it can go into your calendar events.
		All of your contacts.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can look at all your videos on your phone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The contacts is crazy, because if some random person that never signed up for social media is in my phone, then now Instagram has them and they'll start marketing to them.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Even more insidiously, we know the federal government has been working with social media companies.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		If they can see who's following, not just following on social media, but actually who has who in their phone's contacts, that's really, really scary.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I saw that someone, a former CIA employee, someone that worked for CIA, is now moved over to, I believe it was Facebook meta.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking for the tweet now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I actually had an experience a couple weeks ago.
		Alex Jones was on the PBD podcast, Patrick Bet-David, and he asked some question on there, like, if we install, in Russia, if there's like a new leader is installed and they're sympathetic to the West, what will happen?
		And nobody really had an answer.
		And I was going to text him, Alex, and be like, well, I think that would move us towards totalitarian, you know, technocracy a little bit faster, more peaceful, but also that, and I just didn't message him.
		I was like, I don't want the FBI reading my, what a bullshit fucking I was so angry at myself that I didn't be brave.
		Like I just...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So the guy that is for the CIA, Aaron Berman, former 17 year CIA officer,
		is now head of elections policy for Facebook and Instagram.
		Berman joined Facebook in 2019 and was responsible for writing misinformation policy
		and enforcing it for the 2020 election, COVID, Brazilian elections, etc.
		He's joined by 15 others, CIA, FBI, and DHS working in trust and safety for Meta.
		That is so gross.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So real quick, I did confirm these images.
		It's in the Play Store.
		It is real.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can you drop them down on the right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One thing I want to do real quick though is I went to the Twitter app On the Play Store, I do not see the same thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't have anywhere... Yeah, it doesn't have this stuff.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Who's that guy that tweeted that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because I want to take a look and retweet that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jesus, it's so hard to navigate.
		So when I go to Twitter, I don't see it.
		Let me see what Truth Social does.
		Data safety starts with you, blah blah blah, see the details.
		So, data collected from Truth Social.
		Your personal info, email addresses, user ID, phone number, messages, other in-app messages, photos and videos, contacts, app activity, info performance, and device IDs.
		That's actually all normal, right?
		The reason why it says photos and videos, and this is true for meta, is because you post them, so it needs access to those.
		Yo, it doesn't have anything else.
		I mean, contacts are there because it'll ask you.
		In-app messages, I don't care about.
		Your email address, well, of course, you log in.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Sign in with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, it really, it is true that Threads by Instagram is basically audio files.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's taking everything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's probably government.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's the same thing that TikTok does.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if Instagram does the same thing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		People talked about the amounts of data that TikTok collects.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like Threads does The same.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Instagram has basically the same thing.
		Instagram basically takes everything as well.
		This is Facebook.
		This is what they do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And knowing that, man, how can people?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's just such a convenient tool, but it's so insidious that they're tracking not your every move, but your psychology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Twitter takes not nearly as much.
		It doesn't access your files and documents, but it does have quite a bit of information.
		Your web browsing history, Twitter takes.
		App functionality, analytics, advertising, and marketing.
		Your web browsing history.
		Twitter takes that too.
		So, it looks like Twitter is very bad.
		Threads is substantially worse.
		But don't be surprised when everyone's spying on you.
		And I'll make sure it's clear that I don't want to single out Threads on this one.
		They are spying on you to a greater degree than the other ones, but they're all spying on you quite a bit.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, anyone who has an Alexa or a Google Home Assistant or whatever they're called, that is essentially a wiretap that you've allowed into your home.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All these phones are.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This phone is tracking me right now, because if you say, what is the thing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The voice activation.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Google.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does your phone buzz?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it turned on.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It buzzed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I pushed the button.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How can I help?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's what people need to understand.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Trash.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If your phone, TV, or any other device has voice activation, that means it is listening to every single word you say.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And very likely recording it and transmitting it to the database.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it has to record it.
		The way voice activation works is that it records what you say, sends it to a company for analysis, who then scan it for text, to convert it to text, and sends it back to the TV.
		So if your TV is voice activated.
		Many people have this now.
		If you can just walk up and say something like, okay, Google or whatever.
		Every word out of your mouth gets sent to this company for analysis, and it's just waiting to hear the activation command.
		They save all that data.
unidentified		Of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They keep it all.
		What they say is, don't worry, it's anonymized.
		We don't actually know who you are.
		And I'm like, yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know who you are, because I'm talking about who I am.
		You can't really have all of my personal conversations and say it's anonymous, because no, it's not.
		That's not how conversations work.
		But our TV actually has something where we can turn off the voice activation function through the hardware.
		A lot of laptops have that with webcams now.
		But if you do that, there's a stupid little light that will remain on and it's annoying because they want you to have the thing open.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Because they want to be listening to you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They also, uh, this Alvin guy also posted this app privacy from Instagram and it says, The following data may be collected and linked to your identity.
		Health and fitness, financial info, contact info, user content, browsing history, usage data, diagnostics, purchases, locations, context, search history, identifiers, sensitive info, and other data.
		What the hell does that mean?
		My favorite was credit score.
		It said credit score!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Your credit score.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, Zuckerberg just wants to know everything about you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's because he loves you.
unidentified		That's crazy.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, think about what that means for advertisers.
		If they're plugged into your credit score, they can actually bid to advertise on people who have good credit scores.
		Like, if you're a credit card or something like that, that's scary.
		That's messed up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I wonder?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If, like, maybe the AI took over a long time ago, and it's just learning everything possible about us, we don't realize we're under its spell.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It feels inevitable.
		I don't know if I'm like, if I'm broken and I'm just like giving up or if it's actually inevitable.
		The AI takeover, not like electricity didn't take us over.
		We weren't taken over by it.
		We just all use it mostly.
		So AI, it might be similar.
		It might not take us, it might just all use it.
		But what a powerful tool, especially when it can talk to you and tell you things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What the AI?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The artificial intelligence.
		It's freaking weird, man.
		No, AI really scares me and it's also kind of ironic and people have been posting about this like we assumed AI and like technology would come so we would be relieved of menial jobs especially like that's the dream if you're on the left but instead it's like all the creatives that are being put out of work almost first I mean obviously technology has been for a long time phasing out lower skilled jobs but it's like now even the good jobs that people were aspiring to those are the ones that are also being wiped out by AI like you know the the graphic designers the writers Yeah, it's less about can you physically draw the picture now and more about can you conceive of the description verbally and then give the computer an accurate, intricate descriptive.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So you can come up with it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's another type of art form.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It'll produce another generation.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Actually, so I did a poll on that on my Twitter and it was quite the lively debate whether AI art actually counts as art.
		Is it art?
		What is art?
		I mean, that's philosophical, but I think it is art.
		A lot of people will say it is not art if it's created by AI.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Incorrect.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I agree, because I think there are so many different tools that we have evolved throughout time using to create art.
		Why are we placing the limit on AI?
		Yeah, because if you use a laser to carve something into wood... Yeah, and people will say, well, oh, it's just an amalgamation of previous art.
		Well, isn't that any art anyway?
		Creation is usually the product of, I guess, absorbing other works and then your own interpretation of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When someone paints a picture and uses the tools, you know, paints or a paintbrush or
		whatever it is they're using, now people can do all sorts of different crazy art.
		They'll take like coins and then line them up so it makes a big picture.
		The AI is just basically a paintbrush.
		What you input into it may not actually be good art.
		You might say, hey, make this picture, it makes one, and say, hey everybody, look what my AI thing did, and you're like, that's stupid.
		And then someone might put it in, refine it, put the photo back in, say, change this, change that, and then refine it to the point where it actually makes a really cool picture.
		But, admittedly, it's just getting easier and easier to make stuff.
		The scarier thing about it is, if All art is just derivative of other art, then eventually all art will be derivative of AI.
		AI will just be regurgitating the same things without new human thought and input.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But it's crazy because, I mean, we, like, I've been working on stuff with, like, different logos, and we are working with a graphic designer, like an actual person, to come up with stuff, and then one day I was like, you know, I'm just gonna try one of these AI logo generators.
		I just want to see, because we're kind of, like, we're at an impasse, nothing's really, like, sparking.
		Man, the AI ones were good.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		They were really good.
		They were better.
		There's like, man, this is actually solid and it's faster and it's cheaper.
		But, you know, I want to support the actual person.
		But it's just hard when the AI product is, in a lot of ways, genuinely better.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to point out a couple articles real quick, because we're talking about threads.
		And even though a bunch of people on the left are trying to abandon Twitter for this, Look at this one from Vice.
		I've seen posts you people wouldn't believe.
		The birth of an awful mutant baby.
		A man explaining the symptoms of acute radiation poisoning are similar to panic.
		All those moments will be lost in time.
		Like post from 2012.
		They're talking about Threads.
		It says, Threads is an assault on the senses.
		Once you've experienced it, it's impossible to scrub from memory.
		Threads is a kaleidoscope of disturbing images and unpleasant information.
		A cautionary tale to be avoided and a revelation of truth that feels stark and unavoidable.
		I like this one too, look at this.
		Slate writes, Meta's new Threads app is terrible.
		It just might bury Twitter.
		The first sentence is good, the second sentence is bad.
		But yeah, it is absolutely awful.
		If you can't even get the left to cheer for this app...
		Dude, I don't know what you're going to try and pull off.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think they really messed up by opening up the fire hose of data to new users and making them see tons of people that they weren't interested in, rather than give them like five categories, have them auto-subscribe to like five accounts or ten accounts and let them find their way.
		Because having to block people the minute you walk into a social network is the most anti-social tactic or technique.
		You do not want your users blocking each other.
		That's like a failure of the system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so here's the thing with threads, right?
		So like, you know, again, I'll pull it up.
		And if I go to my home feed, let's just see who we end up with.
		Like Paris Hilton.
		I don't care to follow Paris Hilton.
		But I don't want to block Paris Hilton.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because at some point in the future, Paris might do something that gets rethreaded or whatever.
		And, you know, maybe run for president.
		And it's like, I want to see that post.
		Then I got to be like, oh, they did.
		I better go unblock them to see it.
		That's ridiculous.
		But that's what happens when it's a bunch of Random people.
		I mean, what is the why is it recommending Taylor Lorenz to me?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is really scraped your name on the internet with along with Taylor?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is Taylor Lorenz band?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, if Taylor Renz is on Threads, I might have to sign up because I'm blocked on Twitter and I miss her posts.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Her neurotic, neurotic posts.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm still trying to download it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's some sort of network issue.
		It's like, why are you sending me this?
		Why are you telling me to follow this person?
		I don't care.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's either an oversight or just a brute force tactic.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's hard now because social media isn't what it was created like.
		Facebook used to be the people that you know.
		Now something like Twitter, yeah, it's a mixture of people you know, but also just, like, brands, public figures, like, political discourse.
		It's this weird, how do you even begin to start to recommend a person something?
		I admit, like, not that I'm trying to defend threads, but that does sound like a challenge.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know the worst thing about Instagram is?
		You'll click the little magnifying glass button.
		It'll give you a bunch of recommended posts.
		You'll see this video, this happens to me a bunch, where it's like, I can't really tell exactly what it is.
		They do that on purpose.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Click on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They want you to click it, and then as soon as I do, now Instagram's sending me a whole bunch of these weird videos like, there's, there was one where it's uh, cause I watch a lot of poker vlogs.
		And so I get recommended this video where I have no idea what the picture is, and I wanna know.
		It is a coin pusher.
		A fake coin pusher with fake casino chips in it.
		All I see is this weird stack of chips.
		And I'm like, what is it?
		So I hit it.
		And then I'm like, oh, it's a fake gambling.
		It's not real.
		People make these fake videos that look like they're winning money because people click on it.
		And I'm like, I get out of here.
		Next time I refresh, all of a sudden Instagram in my main feed is sending me all this garbage.
		And I'm like, block, block, block.
		I don't want to see that.
		I never wanted to see it.
		I just didn't know what it was.
		This is what they do.
		How stupid of a social media platform.
		But they want to control narrative and they want to shove everybody into this algorithmic feed.
		That's why they're doing it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I wonder if the debut of this particular app is in conjunction with the kicking off of the election season.
		Probably.
		It does make sense.
		I mean, I don't want to be too tinfoil hat, but If this is a social media app that they can convince the regular public is where the correct narrative is and Twitter is where the misinformation is, then it might be an attempt to... I'm not saying it's going to be successful, I'm saying it won't be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The thing about Twitter is it's where the politically oriented individuals seek out those conversations.
		Threads, they can't do it.
		Macedon couldn't do it.
		Blue Sky couldn't do it.
		Threads won't be able to do it for all of the same reasons any other app can't do it.
		Twitter is first and best dressed and it's where people have followers and it's where they talk.
		I got no followers on threads and I really don't care to try and get followers on a feed where people won't even see what I post.
		Even if I get a million followers, no one's gonna see what I post because it's all recommended weird algorithmic stuff.
		That's another... They're recommending AOC to me.
		I do not want to follow her.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		People are getting mauled by data when they go in there, man.
		They need an open space to seek out what they like.
		Listen to me, Mark.
		Wake up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He knows what he's doing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he does.
		This is a terrible debut.
		It's got a 3.9 out of 5 rating on PlayStore.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		You cannot give someone like Mark Zuckerberg credit as he doesn't.
		I mean, granted, The Social Network was just a movie, but it kind of gave you an idea of his mindset.
		And if you look at what he has done with Facebook since the end point in that movie,
		he's installed Facebook as the internet for a huge portion of the developing world.
		He had a deal where if you go and use, they'll give out free phones,
		and these phones come with Facebook installed.
		So there's a huge portion of the developing world that their first experience with the internet
		was on Facebook.
		To a lot of people, Facebook is the internet.
		To them, they're one and the same, because that was the first way that they experienced the internet.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It's mostly people who are on the older side.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Young people, Gen Z, they aren't as much on Facebook.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right in Western countries, but I think that in Africa and the Middle East, where you're talking about poorer countries, where they were giving up... I think they're all about TikTok.
		I'm not saying they're not.
		I'm not saying they not I'm talking about like when the reason that Facebook got to the
		market share that it did was because early in in 2012 13 14 when they were first like when they were handing
		out phones with Facebook installed They were they're handing them out to the developing world
		And that's why you got so much of the whole world on Facebook is partially because not just that the app was
		worked well and people liked it But because Facebook was giving away phones with their
		their product on it so that way they could collect data because it was the you
		know, the the the Easiest way to collect people's data is to give them a free
		phone with a free and I'll just give you their data They'll put it in for you
		And so that that was that was one of the things that Facebook did to really grab market share
		And that's why Facebook is such a big company And that's what you know
		a lot of people think of the Internet or when they think of you know, when they think of the Internet they think of
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Facebook Were you saying that I was giving Mark too much credit?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he knew what he was doing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He knew that when he was giving out those phones, he was giving them away for free because he wanted the data those people had.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But with threads, I don't know if he's like, yeah, have it opened every he might have made that final call.
		Like, let's just open it to everybody.
		Let them just we'll start with everything and they can work their way back as opposed to start with nothing and they can work their way up.
		Because it's a very empty feeling to go into a new social network and have nothing and be like, I don't even know what I'm doing here.
		Who's on this network?
		How do I find them?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but if you can import your Instagram, then that's what I thought would happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it is, yet still they give you a bunch of garbage you don't want to read.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I think the problem is that you were talking about earlier, the people that you follow on Instagram aren't necessarily the people you would follow on threads, like they're different things.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		On Instagram, I follow like baby accounts, cake accounts, like travel and stuff, which is very, very different than my doomsday Twitter curation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It also ruins a lot of these accounts for me.
		Because there's like, there'll be like one account where it's just like people who, you know, travel the world or whatever, and they get to see cool pictures of mountains.
		And now they're all sudden posting about BLM or something.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm like, Oh, I did not want to know your opinions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I didn't I do you have good content.
		I don't care about what your thoughts are.
		You have no idea what you're talking about.
		It's just it just ruin it for me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's why I am like on Instagram.
		I don't post any kind of political stuff on my Instagram page.
		I never had like it's never been.
		Like, very, very, very rarely will I put something mildly political.
		Political stuff stays on Twitter, and then, you know, Instagram is me and all that remains, and shows, and my dog, and stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, do cats.
		You like side-surf cakes?
		You ever follow those guys?
		They make cakes.
		They'll make cakes of, like, hyper-realistic-looking, like, a cup.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Then you cut it, and it's a cake.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They made Lex Freeman's face.
		Oh, that's pretty cool.
		And Michael Malice had it at his house.
		He probably still has it right now.
		Yeah, I posted a picture of it.
		They're great.
		I follow that account.
		There's a lot of cake accounts.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You like those realistic cake accounts?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I like to follow them because it's cool, but I also know that those are not the cakes that taste good.
		Interesting.
		Right?
		Because there's a lot of fondant, and they're probably only moist because they use a simple syrup.
		I like the Genoise, the fluffier stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, real cake.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		None of that fake garbage cake.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Are you a cook?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I love cooking.
		I love eating.
		Baking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's baking, Ian.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Not as good, but it's still like a science.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we talk about politics, because we were going to get into that a little bit ago.
		Here's the story from the Daily Mail.
		White House cocaine was found near the Situation Room and not in the West Wing visitor entrance.
		Drug story changes for the second time as Secret Service now says dime bag was found in a more secure location.
		Okay, so it was Hunter, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I struggle to imagine anyone else who was just sneaking in cocaine to the White House, because I would imagine, I've never been there, but I imagine they have pretty good security.
		I imagine there are cameras.
		I imagine people are getting searched.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, where are the cameras?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I bet anything it was Jill.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Jill Biden just railing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Of what?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		The video of Hunter on the balcony, and it kind of looks like he's kind of strung out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, let me pull this up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This video's great.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He goes behind Jill, and it looks like he pulls his sleeve up, takes a bump off his arm.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And it also looks like Jill is furious, which, I mean, if your son was strung out, you probably would be.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She can sense him behind her, and she's just in a mood.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She's like, oh, look at this guy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not in a mood.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		She's in a mood because of Hunter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Take a look at this picture.
		This photo of President Biden sitting on the White House steps is just so breathtaking and captures this moment so well.
		Joe Biden is doing so much for all of us and has the weight of the world on his shoulders, and I just want to say thank you every time I see him.
unidentified		so it is so so so here's this here's this photo sentiment that i can and i
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		the sentiment i got from this was joe sat down
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		of the horizon went, damn, that was my coke. Like he's like, damn it, you Hunter, you can't just go got it 45 minutes
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		without blowing lines up your nose.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I bet he was thinking something like that. You know, Hunter, he's I wonder if I don't know, you can assume a lot from a
		picture. But I imagine that Joe's just like, so broken about what he has been like what happened with Hunter and
		the world knows.
		There's video of Hunter, like there's pictures off his laptop with little young people, like kids.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what's crazy about the whole Hunter Biden story.
		Not necessarily that he's into all of this depravity, but it's that he feels the apparently compulsive need to document all of it.
		Like, I mean, I've never seen a man take so many incriminating selfies in my whole life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that.
		How good you are at the crack.
		because I skateboard and so we're always trying to film everything we do to make
		sure everybody knows just you know how good we are at skateboarding. How good
		you are at the crack. Well here's the thing man you know Hunter Biden is a big
		part of the crack community and he wants to make sure everybody knows he's the
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		best. If you're that good at smoking crack you want people to know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, he goes to his buddy and he's like, yo, I need to film her because we're going to be doing Kraken Prostitutes later tonight and someone's got to capture this stuff.
		And they're like, ah, just use your phone and put it on Instagram.
		And he's like, all right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking about, like, the Roman Republic or the Roman Empire, really, how they would have, like, these giant parties on boats, like, when it was all falling apart.
		There's just these decadent things.
		And then we see this festival of Joe Biden just, like, vacantly staring out, his wife not even looking at his son, who's a crackhead, who just got, like, not pardoned, but, like, a misdemeanor for having, like, Crack and gun on him?
		And how they'll look back at this period of history at that and be like, wow, what did America become that the first son was like, just given a little pat on the wrist for having something that would have thrown other people in prison?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		The leftist response to that was that it's actually it's because of white privilege.
		Nothing to do with Joe Biden and corruption because of that.
		It's specifically because Hunter is white, because all white people would have been treated the same in that situation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Ian, it may very well be that in a hundred years, the way they look back on this moment is, it was the beginning of the fall.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think the Kennedy assassination was.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They perhaps will write in the future and say, kids, there's always something.
		The first fall of the American empire started on what date?
		And they're going to be like, July 4th, 2023.
		And what caused it?
		Finding Hunter Biden's cocaine.
		That's right, kids.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It is pretty nasty.
		It's like, what kind of faith can you have?
		I mean, obviously power, this is what I've always been told, they protect each other, people in power, nepotism runs rampant, and they flaunt it.
		And I think this is Hunter's flaunting it, obviously, with all his pictures and propaganda, and then Joe's just completely ignoring it and saying, he's my son.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They said they found it near the West Executive Entrance.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a lie.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't trust this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Used by officials, visitors, and celebrities.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Next thing you know, they're going to be like, at first it was a library, then they said it was the West Wing, now Situation Room.
		So they're going to be like, we found it on Biden.
		Like, we literally found it in his pocket.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or they'll say it was something other than cocaine next.
		They'll be like, it was actually baking soda.
		We thought it was coke.
		It wasn't.
		I mean, what a bunch of crap.
		Why would they even tell us anyway?
		Why would they even bring this up?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they want to replace Biden.
unidentified		They're getting rid of him.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Mic drop.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's probably going to be Newsom or something.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, he's going on a nationwide tour.
		He was doing something, I think it was in Idaho and Boise, where he was visiting a bookstore.
		Oh, look at these banned books.
		It's like you're at a bookstore.
		The books are not banned if they're at a bookstore.
		But, I mean, there's no reason he's doing anything outside of California unless he wants to run for president.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about Michelle Obama?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Um, I think so.
		She doesn't really have the experience or the gravitas that Barack did.
		But there's a lot of nostalgia around the Obama presidency for I think, like a lot of independents, probably disaffected liberals.
		So I think I mean, if it's her or Kamala, definitely Michelle Obama.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the truth is, if you're, if you have nostalgia for Obama, you didn't pay attention to Obama's presidency.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, I'm not denying that, but I think there are a lot of disaffected liberals or people who would not vote Democrat now who were happy to vote for Obama regardless of how things were going just because it felt nice.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		He felt like a president and it was the good old days back then, even though it wasn't in a lot of ways.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Partly why some people probably voted for Biden because they thought it was going to be like Obama or whatever, but it's probably going to be Newsom.
		We'll see, though.
		I mean, I really don't know.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I feel like that would be such a hard sell, because you are governor of a state that is bleeding, hemorrhaging people.
		It's just going down the drain.
		Who on earth would look at California and think, yes, more of this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are people who live in these places, and they keep defending what's going on.
		It's remarkable.
		When we have a conversation with some of these liberals, people who live in New York, and it's like, 25 people were pushed in front of subway trains last year.
		Like, that's bad.
		And they're like, so what?
		And I'm like, I'm not arguing every single person in Manhattan is falling in front of trains.
		I'm saying you probably should do something to stop this from happening.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think what's frustrating about talking to people from New York and California especially is that they act like those things are normal.
		I remember there was a, gosh what it was, with Jordan Neely, right?
		This homeless guy was threatening people.
		There are so many New Yorkers who are saying like, well, that's just normal.
		That's an everyday occurrence.
		He didn't need to freak out.
		I was like, what is the matter with you people?
		You don't need to live like this.
		There are so many other places, even other cities, where this doesn't happen.
		Stop defending it.
		And it's also frustrating because these are the people who, by and large, hate America the most.
		And it's like, you are in a blue city, in a blue state, when the president is a Democrat.
		If things aren't going well, perhaps Step back and take a look at why that is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm kind of excited for everything that's going on with politics because I'm feeling like, you know, we're winning with the Bud Light stuff especially.
		And I do think we're going to start to see more liberal personalities start adopting the disaffected liberal stances on things because at a certain point they're going to realize there's no market for the weird leftist stuff.
		I mean, I'll put it this way.
		Eight years ago it was intersectional feminism, you know, critical race theory, now it's wokeness, gender ideology.
		It keeps changing what the left wants.
		They have no position.
		It's just random and amorphous.
		At a certain point, as they keep getting crazier and more unhinged with whatever it is they're supporting, People are leaving.
		Liberals are becoming disaffected.
		And that means these commentators are going to lose their positions and they're gonna be forced to be like, okay, that's too much for me.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I think people are starting to wake up because I follow this is just a very anecdotal thing.
		But I follow a lot of makeup brands on things like Instagram, just because you know, it's it's fun.
		It's girly, whatever.
		But during Pride Month, it's Insufferable.
		Every makeup, beauty brand, any brand that caters to women, they're all out.
		Trans this, let's put men in our products, whatever.
		I started actually looking through the comments, because I was just unfollowing brands because I'm sick of it.
		I started looking through the comments expecting, this is brave, like, you know, because by and large, women, at least on social media, they all eat that stuff up.
		But no, overwhelmingly, people were fed up saying, unfollow, what does this have to do with the product?
		And I think that's a good, like, even normies are getting sick of it.
		Normies who are probably left, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Women are getting turfy.
		Like I literally just did just this morning I got a text message from a buddy of mine who's in a very well-known band and he's like he sent me a tweet from from Jill Flipovic and she was talking about you know about how marriages are not you know people aren't getting married in there and they don't last and and she was looking at this as a as a victory because she thinks that women are out there doing what they want to do and living their lives Even though it seems that people are more depressed and not happy about it.
		But anyway, she was looking at it as a victory, and my buddy's like, do you believe this stuff?
		And I'm like, look, this is kind of how the left goes.
		They don't actually embrace things like family values.
		And he's got a family, and he's talking about his wife, and he's like, she's kind of turfy and stuff.
		And I was like, look, she was talking about women and men in women's bathrooms and stuff.
		And that's where the line is being drawn.
		Women want to have their own spaces.
		You could probably get away with bathrooms, maybe.
		You're not gonna get away with locker rooms.
		You're not getting away with dudes, with trans women in the gym locker room walking around with a boner.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's not gonna fly.
		Well, look at Wee Spa.
		Remember that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So that turned out to actually not be a trans person, it was just a guy who liked flashing his junk at women.
		And so, because of these policies, and it's funny because conservatives are like, what's gonna stop a man from doing it or whatever?
		And they're like, the left says, trans people don't do these things.
		Like, right, we're concerned about the men doing it under the guise.
		So what happens is, this dude goes in the women's locker room, flashing his junk, and when a woman complains, they're like, must be a trans person, so we're not gonna do anything about it.
		Then it turns out to be a repeat offender they arrest.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If it is a trans person, or if it is a trans person, they do something, imagine what they're gonna get on social media.
		The backlash, you're transphobic, et cetera.
		All of the incentive is to allow the person in the bathroom to do whatever it is that they want, just so long as they don't actually physically grab someone else.
		Because the repercussions of being wrong or being accused of being transphobic.
		It's social suicide.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you guys something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The first ever 1080 on a skateboard was done by, I think, a 12-year-old boy.
unidentified		12!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is like pre-pubescent.
		It's like, there's no, you know, they say puberty is the point or whatever.
		The 12-year-old boy, this tremendous feat, where are the females?
		If puberty is what matters.
		So recently, I think a 12-year-old girl did the first ever 720 on a vert ramp.
		720, okay?
		So, for those not familiar with what this means, when you spin a full rotation around, it's a 360.
		You're spinning 360 degrees.
		You do that twice, it's a 720.
		You do it three times, it's a 1080.
		Just in this past week or so, a 12-year-old girl did a 720 on a vert ramp.
		The first time a girl's ever done it.
		It was a huge deal.
		Everyone's screaming and cheering.
		And I find it duplicitous.
		To celebrate the first female to do a 720, at the same time they're celebrating males competing in women's sports.
		You recognize the literal distinction between males and females, because if it really was that it doesn't matter if you're male or female, they would have been like, who cares that a female did a 720?
		A 12-year-old boy did a 1080.
		And then I think another guy did a 1260 a couple years ago, which was a real big deal.
		But the reality is, because they know, females are not competing at the same level as males.
		What's gonna happen when we've already had, if you guys have been following Taylor Silverman, who actually works here, she was competing in skateboarding contests and had lost contests to biological males.
		How can this contradiction exist?
		But I'll tell you, the frustrating thing about it, people in the skateboard industry at the highest levels will privately say, yeah, we're not okay with this stuff, and then publicly be like, yay, good for you, That's starting to change.
		And that's the cultural shift we're seeing that I'm actually happy to see because now people are finally being like, okay, we can't keep doing this.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But what's insidious is that on the left, I've already seen the next evolution of their argument.
		It's like, first of all, there's no difference.
		You don't need to worry about men taking over women's sports because they don't have an advantage.
		Now it's like, okay, they do have an advantage, but that is exactly why Kids need to go on puberty blockers, it's so that the advantage isn't, I guess, instilled.
		But that is BS, because at least according to my pediatrician, or my kid's pediatrician, from birth, boys and girls are on different growth charts.
		From conception, men and women are different.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, in utero.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Prenatal testosterone has a big impact on fast twitch muscle development, for instance.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I don't think that children should be put on puberty blockers until they're old enough to decide what gender they want to be, but I want the left to make that argument real bad.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I want them to make that argument real bad because they will die at the ballot box.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Regarding winning, right now it feels like things have changed, like there's a sea change.
		Whether it's a winning, it's like an ingredient of winning.
		It's like the anvil is so hot right now.
		We have heated this system up by uncovering the problems and hyper-focusing on them and teaching people about the problems.
		Now it is hot.
		Now it is time to strike.
		And that is to create some sort of cultural revolution that is in the mind.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Easy with those kind of things.
unidentified		No, go for it, Ian.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Pull in the cultural revolution talk.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But that's what's happening right now, and we have to guide it.
unidentified		There's a cultural revolution that's happening regardless of whether you want it or not.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		The question is, is the outcome going to be preferable to you?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and we need to push back against the people that are trying to have a cultural revolution in the U.S.
		because the cultural revolution is in an illiberal direction.
		What we want is we want liberal principles in America.
		And right now, the push in the Cultural Revolution is an authoritarian push.
		It's where the censorship comes from.
		It's where the shutting people down comes from.
		All that stuff is authoritarian, and it's illiberal, and it's not what we want.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But we need a new way of living life.
		Okay, for instance, kids are seeing porn at the age of nine.
		We need some sort of sexual education revolution in this country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		in this country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, we need to uphold the laws as they've been forever.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can't just, I mean, if you just scream no, no, no, it's going to overcome you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You just said no, no, no, and then you said we need to uphold the laws.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the middle of me explaining my position, you start saying.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So I cut you off, sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You said we need to have a sexual education for nine year olds.
		No, what needs to happen is, it has always been illegal to allow children into adult movie stores and bookstores, etc.
		Yeah, sure.
		And then one day the internet gets invented, and then everyone in our country just goes, now it's fine.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Websites that allow children to access that stuff should be prosecuted the same way a bookstore would.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's the parents that are allowing it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you could say it's the parents that are allowing it when it comes to pornography, but if a little kid were to go into a supermarket and buy alcohol, you wouldn't just say, oh, it's the parents that need to do a better job.
		The parents let them do it.
		No, yeah, but the parents let them do it, but it would still be illegal to sell alcohol to that minor, regardless of what the parents wanted or not.
		Why is there a different standard for online pornography?
		Because that's also not the standard for in-person pornography.
		You can't just, oh, it's the parents' fault.
		Sorry, go ahead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to cut you off.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I was just saying, like, that's only, oh, it's just the parents' fault to moderate.
		That's really only used when it comes to online pornography.
		People aren't saying that when it comes to, like, actual porn that you could buy in person, right?
		We're okay with the government saying, no, you as the seller cannot provide that to the minor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How about this?
		If a guy goes out in public in a trench coat and starts dancing around and then whips his coat open and he's naked, he gets arrested.
		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Not if it's during a pride parade.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		How about if a guy goes on Twitter and posts a video of him dancing and then whips it open, he gets arrested.
		There's literally no difference.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What I'm talking about is more just about educating young people about sexuality in a way that can help them.
unidentified		That, no, that should, that's a- Hold on, please let me finish.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It sounded like you did finish.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean- You made a point, then he started talking.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When I was like 11 or 10, I had sex ed in fifth grade, and they were like, this is what a condom looks like.
		Good luck, kids.
		Don't get her pregnant.
		And I'm like, okay, I guess that's enough for the 90s.
		But now, if the kid's friend brings a cell phone, and they're all gonna see porn, they need to know, they need to be bolstered against that.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But you can't just start treating nine-year-olds like they would inevitably be looking at porn at the time, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because that's basically saying like, oh, well, you're gonna see porn anyway, we might as well just And honestly, the biggest problem that I have with that is this is something that parents should be deciding.
		Parents should be deciding when their kids are given sexual education.
		But that is not something we want school to do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the mental revolution.
		Exactly.
		We need a mental revolution of the consciousness where people become open to communicating these kinds of things with their kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The argument you're making is that because There are people out in the streets exposing their genitals to children.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's important that we have the conversation with our kids about why they're doing it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I would rather stop the people from exposing themselves to children.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, the police go and arrest those people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not the argument I'm making.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about internet porn.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's the same thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A guy on the street flashing is not the same as internet porn.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		No, it's not.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can watch internet porn from your living room.
		You can't watch a guy on the street flashing from your living room.
		You gotta go on the street.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not true.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe through your window.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		But you have to go there.
		In public is in public.
		Twitter is in public.
		The street is in public.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		From your closet with the door closed, you can watch internet porn.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You cannot see the street from your closet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The internet is in public.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's an argument that needs to be made.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Not a lot of people are... Well, I mean, courts have made that, right?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That's why they said that Donald Trump can't block people because it's the public sphere.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But yet AOC has blocked people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's considered to be a violation of a court order that has to be adjudicated.
		But the difference between a politician barring you from a public space, which is a civil matter, is not the same as someone exposing themselves to children, which is what people who go on Twitter and post porn are literally doing.
		So I don't know why it is that before the internet, it was ubiquitous.
		Anyone who goes out into public and exposes themselves, male or female, two kids, to any person would get arrested.
		The internet gets invented.
		Anyone can access it from anywhere with increasing ease.
		And all of a sudden, we as a civilization decided this one area doesn't count?
		No way, dude.
		It is in public, and there should be... Look, I'll put it this way.
		The laws are already clear.
		The laws are already in the books.
		You cannot expose yourself to children or to anybody.
		But the police don't actually enforce the law.
		The police should.
unidentified		That's it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Appeal to authority is not going to work on this one.
		You've got to take care of your kids.
		The police should fix it.
		You've got to save your kids before they get corrupted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian, that's a strawman argument.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can't just call the police.
		Who the hell is that anyway?
		What are they going to do?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I would say arrest the people who are posting pornographic content.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who owns Pornhub?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Your argument is because we've allowed it, we should not stop it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, because it is reality, we need to craft such.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We can't just pretend that it's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's reality that people go on the street and expose themselves.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It is reality, and we need to confront it, but why is the way that we are confronting it by making it a problem children have to deal with?
		If we are going to confront it, we should tackle things from the adult perspective and handle the adults who are committing the act, rather than just trying to train our kids like, oh, I'm sorry, you're just gonna have people flashing you, and it's not okay, but I guess we'll talk to you about it, so you're prepared.
		But also, there are states, like Virginia, I think was the most recent one, I think Utah has done the same, where now they are requiring Age verification to access sites like Pornhub.
		And it's caused this whole thing because now Pornhub is like, okay, well, we're going to block IP addresses from those states, which I mean, obviously, everyone has a VPN.
		It's very easy to get around.
		But, you know, some people are saying now, oh, it's because it's a threat to privacy, yada, yada, yada.
		But I mean, you have to show your ID if you're going to purchase alcohol or access adult stuff in person.
		I don't think it's unreasonable to say that those same standards should apply when online.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I got a question.
		I pose the suggestion that we need a revolution of the way we teach sexual education to kids.
		If you guys disagree and you think we don't need to change anything... No, no, but it seems like you want a revolution in the opposite way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're taking the approach the left takes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I take it on a person-by-person basis, but I think that you need to get kids ready.
		They need to understand that... Hang on, why?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Why do you need to get kids ready to understand this stuff?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry to interrupt.
unidentified		Go ahead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian's right.
		We need to start showing kids graphic videos of people getting their heads blown off in war, because that's reality, too.
		That's a real dickhead thing to do, dude.
		I didn't see that.
		And they might be out in the streets of Chicago with a lot of gun violence and death.
		So it's about time you bring these kids over and you show them these videos and explain to them what they're seeing and why.
		Or how about this?
		We protect children from these things, be it gore or loot and lascivious behaviors, and when people engage in this stuff in public, we say, hey, that breaks the law.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, how's it working so far?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're not doing it, we've never done it.
		Like, my point is, our society, in this country, for some reason, decided that even though the internet is publicly accessible to children, we won't do anything about people posting graphic images in places children can reach.
		It is on the books.
		That you cannot have a weapon, a gun, accessible to children in many states.
		You can make arguments about whether or not Second Amendment protects the rights of people to keep and bear arms, whether those people are children or not, but there are those laws.
		They exist.
		Yet for some reason, the left, which wants to ban guns, will advocate to an extreme degree that you cannot have a weapon in any way.
		This could mean that you can't put it on the top shelf of your closet and close the door.
		Kid could get in there.
		But when it comes to posting graphic, obscene... I'm not talking about two people in the missionary position.
		The stuff you can find on the internet, everybody knows how psychotic it is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How absolutely deranged.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've heard stories, man, that you can't even... I wouldn't even mention on YouTube.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and so... We...
		We created, as a society, Section 230 specifically so that these platforms could remove those things and not be held personally liable for suppressing speech.
		It's a bit more complicated than that, but it was like, if something is lewd and obscene, you can take it down and not be considered responsible for the speech on that platform.
		Yet we've never set the precedent that, yo, you can't walk around in public showing big pictures of pornography.
		You can't do that.
		But you can do it on the internet where children can get access to it?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And not just about children, if Ian is kind of held up like, oh, well, maybe children should have more education.
		Even as an adult, right?
		You can be charged for indecent exposure if there's no children around.
		But why is it alright to, I mean, spam pornography on Twitter to threads that have nothing to do with pornography?
		Why is that considered different?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		With Twitter, I don't know if you need to be 18 to use the app.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's 13.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		13?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you need parental consent?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I think there are states that are beginning, I think Utah now, or like, I forget the exact date, but states are beginning to say, okay, you do need parental consent to be on social media if you're under a certain age, but that is not like a Twitter-wide policy as far as I'm concerned.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		People can correct me if I'm wrong.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		On the street?
		There's no, like, 18 and over sign before you go there.
		On Pornhub, there is.
		So you can't go.
		Well, you can go, but you're supposed to slide.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like two little kids standing with one on the other's shoulders in a trench coat walk into an adult bookstore and go, Why, yes, I am 20 years old.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right this way, sir.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But what it feels like is that there's like an alien presence that's infiltrating our system and people are like, make it stop, make it go away.
		You're like, dude, they've already infiltrated.
		This is not an American thing.
		This is like a global sex cult.
		That's called horny.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The alien presence is called horny.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, whoever's running these websites, I don't pin them on America.
		And like, we can try and use American defense mechanisms to stop it, but it's there right now and it's happening.
		So we need to at least understand it.
		And we need to understand it as soon as possible.
		I'm not saying show kids graphic images.
		I'm not saying that.
		But I think that we just need a new way of living and behaving in this new... Dude, they want to put people in machine pods.
		They want to control your brain thoughts.
		We need to take control of this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're a little...
		Jumping around here, what I'm getting from you is you say that there needs to be a revolution.
		I take issue with the idea of having a revolution just because... But I mean a revolution already happened to be clear with the internet and the way that people are accessing information.
		Yeah, yes, but and again I take issue because you're not talking about like a technological revolution or industrial revolution, you're talking about a people revolution, a revolution or at least that's what Ian... Of the mind.
		We don't need a consciousness revolution.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We need to disregard and reject things that we know do not work.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Consciousness revolution I started doing YouTube in 2006.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We don't need a consciousness revolution we need to we need to to disregard and and
		reject things that we know do not work things like top-down control having
		Government in charge of educating children Those are things that we need to avoid you want to have a
		family focus you want your society wants to have a family focus
		It's not a bad idea to say all right. You can't post graphic images on this
		website and if you do then it's Actionable you know by the police because this is the
		public square Or at least it makes sense, right?
		Maybe I'm not for that particular policy or whatever, but it is a policy that it does address what seems to be the issue that we're talking about, which is children being exposed to graphic images and pornography on the internet.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I agree that we need to stop things that are bad.
		We do.
		That's a scientific way of looking at it.
		If it doesn't work, you disregard it.
		That's the scientific method.
		But there are other things that we don't know if they work or not, like God.
		People grow up not believing that it's real.
		They think it's fake.
		And I don't think it is fake anymore.
		It seems like there is some sort of essence that's moving.
		Let's stay on topic, I guess?
		Well, this is a consciousness revolution I'm talking about.
		We need this in people's soul, in their spirit.
		I don't know if it's a level of fearlessness or what.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		what this is something that that sounds very personal to you and the idea that
		that we should assert that everyone needs to have a consciousness revolution
		because of something that you feel but I'm deeply impersonal about thing that's
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		not good I bet Mao tried to make everyone experience well that's the
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		that's the thing it's like trying to remake me To be clear, what you are saying and advocating for, top-down control is bad, government control of education is bad, for that to not be our reality, that would necessitate a revolution because that is what we are living in.
		It is a radical thing nowadays to say, let's abolish the Department of Education.
		That is a revolutionary thing because we are so entrenched in this system right now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, so, I mean, if you understand that as revolutionary, okay, I can accept that.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, in what way is it not revolutionary?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because we had 125 or whatever, 150 years.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But would it right now require a complete overhaul of the system?
unidentified		Pardon me?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Would it right now require a complete overhaul of the system?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, because you've got schools.
		Schools are mostly, even though the Department of Education kind of is the Like, the government agency?
		There's still a lot of autonomy that schools have.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		The biggest problem that I have- I mean, the Department of Education is at the federal level, but then there's all of the state apparatuses.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's something that- Which is still government.
		The problems that I have mostly with the curriculum and stuff is coming from the people that are producing the curriculum, not as much in the state apparatus.
		The state apparatus is deciding on the curriculum, but I think- So just like a little bit of government control in education.
		I'm well no you should you should completely have the people should have
		the the I mean I'm a guy that wants to abolish the Department of Education like
		that's been something that I've been pro you know doing clearly for for as long
		as I've been on the on the internet but I think that there isn't any reason to
		have centralized control over education at all People can homeschool their kids.
		There's no reason to demand that people have to go to government schools or anything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let me cap this off.
		When I talked about revolution, what I'm really thinking of is the Age of Enlightenment.
		That's a revolution.
		That was a revolution of consciousness.
		I want something like that.
		To turn forward.
		Revolution means to turn forward.
		To turn again.
		To revolute.
		It's a French term.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think it's like Latin or something.
		Like I said, my vibe is what I'm hearing you express is that you believe there needs to be an awakening inside people and what to me sounds like remaking man.
		And every time society or man has tried to reinvent human beings, remake man, it's ended in piles and piles and piles of bodies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to jump to this story.
		We have this tweet from ALX.
		Breaking. The Biden administration has officially filed a notice of appeal in the Missouri v.
		Biden censorship case after a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction
		order barring government officials from contacting social media companies to suppress lawful speech.
		Simply put, this is the Biden administration's notice of appeal seeking to effectively overturn
		the right of freedom of speech in this country, the First Amendment.
		Yes.
		Why?
		The judge said you are still allowed to contact all of these companies for issues of national security and just not for suppressing the speech of U.S.
		citizens.
		The appeal specifically means the Biden administration wants the right to suppress the speech of American citizens.
		This is where we're currently at.
		The New York Times takes the amazing approach that it's bad.
		We should allow the government to stop people from speaking their minds.
		That's where we're currently at in this country.
		So you want to talk about a twisted reality?
		We have people who Here's where Democrats are.
		They quite literally don't care if people are bringing into schools books depicting adult carnal activities and this information to kids.
		They literally don't care that a teacher was trying to give students instruction, or literally did give students instruction on how to use Grindr, which is an 18 and up app only.
		They literally do not care of these things.
		They don't care that kids are getting access to psychotic and obscene graphic pornography.
		I'm not just talking about, as I mentioned earlier, like two people in a bedroom.
		The stuff you can find online is insane.
		They don't care about any of that.
		What they don't want you to do is criticize Joe Biden.
		What they don't want you to do is point out the Hunter Biden laptop story.
		What they don't want you to do is point out that they actually want to censor conservatives.
		Because if you do those things, they try to remove you.
		What they don't want you to do is advocate that children not get sex change surgery.
		They'll ban you for that too.
		But they don't care about all the depravity.
		When I look at this stuff, with what Joe Biden is doing, it really does feel like we are looking at...
		An evil mirror image of what this country and what our society has believed in.
		It's the antithesis of everything we thought was good and moral and just.
		We want people to speak their minds.
		We don't want kids exposed to graphic images.
		What are the Democrats advocating for?
		The complete inversion.
		The suppression of individual rights and speech, and they advocate children see these things.
		And that's just, that's, that's just the beginning.
		We can go on to all the seven deadly sins too.
		This is shockingly insane.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, this has been going on for a long time.
		This is the most transparently it's been, I guess, reflected in government.
		But even if we look at Twitter before Elon Musk, the amount of resources they were dedicating to controlling the narrative on the vaccine or election interference versus the amount of resources they were dedicated to actually, you know, shutting down, you know, Child exploitation material, it absolutely shows where their priorities are.
		They don't actually care about people's well-being.
		It's all about controlling the narrative.
		So, you know, children being exposed to any type of graphic thing, being exploited online, that doesn't really harm their control, so they don't really do anything about it.
		But hey, someone questioning the efficacy of the VACs, that actually does threaten their control.
		So they go all in on devoting resources, manpower, finances, whatever, into controlling that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When you think of the government, do you think of it as a very powerful thing?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or do you see it more as kind of like a visage of power?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a very, very powerful thing.
		And I think Americans are, they're naive as to how all encompassing the government really is in their day to day lives, infringing on their freedoms.
		I mean, because yes, America is a very free country, especially compared to somewhere like even, you know, Canada or the UK, but to act as if I agree that we need some form of censorship, kind of tailbacking off what you were saying, Tim, about how kids are seeing graphic images.
		rates right now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I agree that we need some form of censorship, kind of tailbacking off what you were saying
		Tim about how kids are seeing like graphic images.
		We need to protect some aspect of our culture, of our species.
		And that is through just censorship.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I just want to ask you one question real quick.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Do you conceive of preventing children from seeing pornography as censorship?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I suppose it depends on how it's done.
		That could be one way to prevent them from seeing it.
		to say like you can't be here. It is censorship. Another way like hey let's go out and play tonight
		instead of being on the computer that's not really censorship. The way that I this is only my
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		perception when I like think of censorship I think of something that is trying or at least the effort
		is made to prevent anyone from seeing it so like can't you just like you know you can't just like
		Kids being prevented from seeing adult content, to me that doesn't come across as censorship because you prevent kids from grabbing the red hot stove because it's protecting them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Censorship doesn't need to be always negative or always positive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Restricting information.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think ratings on movies are a form of censorship, to let you know ahead of time, don't take your kid to see the R-rated one.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, like, courts in the US have ruled that you, like, pornography is not free speech.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So I guess I would push back on the idea that restricting pornography is censorship, because if it doesn't technically infringe on your free speech, because pornography isn't speech, according to the courts, is that actually censorship?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Censorship is the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Which is, that's like a half-definition.
		You can censor and let things happen.
		Like, I can be like, well, I looked at the video, I'm the guy that owns the website, and I'm gonna let the video on.
		I still censored it.
		I just didn't take it down.
		I censored it and allowed it to be there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, so here's ultimately the issue.
		Censorship, based on that definition, the other simple definition was restricting access to images, information, books, etc.
		that are offensive.
		We find it offensive to show kids this lewd and lascivious stuff.
		We would like that to be censored.
		The left, Democrats, etc., and liberals want kids to see these things, which I think is psychotic and evil, so they say, we oppose censorship.
		However, your naughty words where you say something like, I disagree with you and the way you are living your life I think is bad for everyone, they say, that is shocking and offensive and shouldn't be allowed.
		Let me just put it this way.
		These people live in this world.
		For you and I, for the people who watch this show, it would seem to be insanity.
		Of course we are offended at the thought that children are getting access to ludicrous behavior.
		Of course we are shocked that people try to restrict our ability to have a political debate.
		In the left world, they are absolutely shocked!
		We would try and stop children from seeing these things.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How insane is that? It is insane. I've had friends be like, why do you want censorship?
		Censorship's bad. Don't do... No, no censorship. And it's like, yeah, snap out of it. Yeah,
		you want to censor the bad stuff, of course, but then who's deciding what's bad? Is it what he
		said? Is it what she said? Someone... What they said about my kid? Like, so who's censoring it?
unidentified		That's the reality.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who's the censor?
		Should we make it an algorithm?
		Like an open source artificial intelligence that's giving advice to people?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why it's a culture war.
		Because there are two distinct moral frameworks.
		There is the traditional American, I would say, simply put, Judeo-Christian moral framework.
		And then there is the leftist, there is no truth but power moral framework.
		It seems to be... You know, look, it is really simple in some ways.
		Say a thing, and a leftist will say the exact opposite for the only reason of opposing you.
		Hence, their positions change rapidly and seem to make no sense.
unidentified		That...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's just the reality of it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was one of the Krasenstein brothers after that viral clip of nudity, like exposed male genitalia, I think it was Seattle Pride.
		One of them was actually somewhat defending it.
		And it's like, I can think of no other reason why a sane person would be defending a male exposing himself to minors if it were not a leftist just contradicting the right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the Kresensteins, for those unfamiliar, their prominent liberal personalities, have tried taking this more moderate, centrist approach.
		And so their approach to this was, hey, it's probably not that big of a deal if a kid sees nudity.
		It happens a lot.
		I don't think someone should be riding around nude in front of a bunch of kids.
		That's not a good thing.
		But libs of TikTok sharing it is worse than the guy doing it.
		So it was still this critique of libs of TikTok that did, to a certain degree, downplay the nudity in front of kids.
		I don't think it's completely wrong for the Krasensteins to say that, because kids go in locker rooms all the time with people who are naked around them.
		However, at an event that is explicitly sexual in nature with the intent of expressing sexual ideas, then you're crossing the line into grooming territory.
		But my point with the Krasensteins here, to add on to what you're saying, is they're just saying something critical of the right for the sake of being critical of the right.
		It's... This is the crazy thing.
		How hard would it be for any liberal to say something like, I want universal healthcare?
		And then I go, okay, I have no opinion on that.
		What do you think about these books?
		Yeah, those books shouldn't be for kids.
		How hard is that?
		They can't do it.
		They come on the Culture War podcast or they come on this show and they say something like, I think it's good.
		And I'm like, really, why?
		You end up with that famous clip.
		You end up with that famous clip we had with Lance from the Serfs saying that women should be allowed to get an abortion whenever they want, but that pregnant women shouldn't be allowed to do meth because it kills the baby.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Like, huh?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because there's no moral framework.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think there are a lot of people that would be considered on the left or You know, liberal, culturally liberal, that would be open to talking exactly what you're saying, Tim.
		Like, yeah, okay, universal healthcare, great.
		This book probably shouldn't be for kids, great.
		But it's the loudmouth contrarians that are famous right now.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And the tribalists.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it's so annoying.
		This tribalism is like, it's like binding.
		It's like holding people back.
		It's like sticky goo on their feet that they can't, you can get out of it, but you got to realize you're in it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the left.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like all people, too.
		Everywhere I look, man, in this political crap is the willingness to say no.
		Not always, sometimes yes and yes.
		You can both be right, you know?
		Sorry, Phil, were you about to say something?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You looked like you were about to say something.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, just Tim said that, Tim was saying that, talking about Lance, and I think that you gave Lance too much credit, but... What do you mean?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lance has no moral framework?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you said that he has no moral framework, and that's true, but I don't think that the reason that, you know, Lance said that dumb thing was because of a lack of moral framework.
		I think it was just because Lance was tired after using all of his brain power to keep up.
		I've talked to a lot of people about the idea of debates.
		That was just Lance not knowing that he was going to be walked into a...
unidentified		Well, this is the thing...
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Lance round two is about to happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've talked to a lot of people about the idea of debates.
		It's the weirdest concept to me.
		You know, like people have asked me, like, I'm going to be debating this issue and, you
		know, what do you think about this argument?
		I'm like, do you believe what you are saying?
		Like, then what are you asking me for?
		If someone came here and said, did you know X, Y, or Z?
		I'd be like, I didn't.
		I'll look into it.
		Here's what I believe.
		Like, I don't, it's this idea that we're debating people just to appear like we know what we're talking about makes no sense to me.
		So I will have a conversation with quite literally anybody and there is no winning or losing a debate.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's the difference between debate and dialectic, like are we talking to prove the other wrong or are we talking because we are both interested in pursuing the truth and we maybe have different versions of what it is and we're trying to kind of spar back and forth to see how we can best get there.
		Those are two very different I guess, approaches to have.
		And that's, I'm not, I'm not that interested in like strictly debate because there are
		formal debates like point, counterpoint, point, counterpoint.
		I don't think that's productive.
		But when you actually have people who are having a conversation and they could have
		opposing views, but they're trying to understand each other and arrive at the truth, that I
		think is actually something interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is what happens.
		Lance from the Surf's comes on the show with the intent of winning a debate.
		We have him on the show with the intent of him explaining how he sees the world.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The problem is he doesn't actually know how he sees the world.
		He just knows how to regurgitate talking points for the sake of debate.
		Hence, when it comes to the question of abortion, I can ask him 50 million questions on what his logic is, and he can't answer it because he doesn't have any.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		He says arguments to what you might say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He has pre-scripted arguments.
		He had it written down.
		I don't write anything down.
		People are like, Tim, you did a really great job on Rogan with Dorsey.
		And I'm like, I prepared in no way.
		I researched nothing.
		I showed up and talked about what I thought.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You were talking about him coming and not being prepared and about how his opinion changes and stuff.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The left doesn't have a foundational opinion on stuff because of the fact that it's power games.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's no moral framework.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For example, when that woman came on the culture war, I'm not gonna say her name,
		and because I'm kind of tired of it, but she said, this show appeals to neo-Nazis, and then ten minutes later,
		or half an hour later, told an actual justice warrior that he was too right-wing
		for this show because the show was moderate.
		Quite literally saying random words for the sake of saying random words.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it's, they're not random.
		They're all designed to undermine.
		So, I mean, it's in its own way a consistent moral framework if it's counter to the right in its pursuit of, like, their own power.
		I mean, James Lindsay talks about that a lot.
		It's not a double standard.
		It's one consistent standard.
		If it helps me, it's helped my cause.
		If it's for the pursuit of power, then it is good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why Lance's abortion thing broke down in the way it did.
		Because he doesn't have a real position on abortion.
		He has talking point.
		And so, I, with an actual position on limits of government, individual rights, constitutional rights, when does life begin, and have all these views where I've had many discussions about it trying to understand it, you can ask me a million and one questions and I will give you an answer or outright just be like, you know what, I'm not so sure about that, I just don't know.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And I bet you're willing to change your opinion if you find out something that might go contrary to your existing moral framework.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I can guarantee that Tim is willing to change his opinion, although I've noticed it doesn't always happen right away.
		Sometimes we'll argue and I'll say something where I'm like, damn, I was right.
		I was good.
		I was true.
		And then like, it'll be like three days later, you'll be like, yeah, you'll see what I was talking about.
		Doesn't always happen right away.
		That's an interesting phenomenon.
		One good example is... Sometimes the smarter you are, the longer it takes to figure things out.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that means you're actually thinking about it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because you've memorized what you believe.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sorry to interrupt you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seamus and I were having a conversation about abortion.
		He expressed the definition of abortion.
		I argued with him and told him I thought he was wrong, and this is not the case, and he needs to understand these points.
		And then, after pulling up the information, I was like, oh, Seamus was right the whole time.
		The definition of what abortion is, I was incorrect.
		I had a different view that was not based... So Seamus was basing his views off of the actual statements made by Planned Parenthood and the government as to what abortion is, and I had a general assumption about what people call it, so I was not understanding his point.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's kind of a phenomenon where when you figure out you're wrong about something, and you figure out what it actually is that's right there, that little piece now you have, it's like exciting and invigorating because you get to reform your belief in a better way, in a more correct way.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Humiliating, especially when it happens in public, and you're shown to be having been wrong for so long and so vehement about what you were wrong about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But man, is it empowering if you use it properly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is what you see, and we'll give a shout-out to our friends over at the Young Turks, because we were talking about this the other day, and Anna Kasparian has been getting dragged quite a bit because she said, bonus hole, as a term for women's parts, is off-putting.
		But there is something interesting in this.
		Have you ever asked yourself why it is that these neo terms only ever apply to women and never to men?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Because I think it's ultimately intersectionality as it is now, especially with the trans movement.
		It is unironically patriarchal, right?
		The best women are men.
		Everything is done to the comfort of males.
		Regardless of what they call themselves, they're ultimately males, and you do not see the same considerations being given to trans men, i.e.
		females.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree that it's patriarchal, but the reason I think that it is Bonus hole, menstruator, birthing person.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Chest feeding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Chest feeding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have they called men jizzers?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, but they should.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't say that.
		Why?
		I believe this is predominantly a movement of women.
		It is females who are pursuing these things with a female internal perspective, so the words they use are based on being female.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Their experiences.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Men typically do not care.
		So men aren't complaining about being called names.
		They're not proposing being called something else.
		It is females typically, and we see this in the data when it comes to trans kids.
		Overwhelmingly, trans children tend to be female.
		Perhaps it is a social issue of sorts.
		And that's why all of the neo terms are like menstruator, bonus hole haver.
		It only pertains to women.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that the phenomena of trans women and trans men are the same.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think the same stuff is going on upstairs for a woman to want to live their life as a man or believe that they're a man or whatever, as for a man that thinks that they're a woman.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		There are vastly different rates in how men versus women identify as being gay, like lesbian for example, and also rates of identifying as trans.
		This is not something new.
		Women and men do not function in the same realm in regard to sexuality.
		There are really interesting twin studies that they've done on identical twins.
		So if something like sexuality were completely genetic, for example, you would expect that any genetic twin set would have the same sexuality, i.e.
		both straight or both gay.
		What they found is that that's not the case.
		So there is obviously a component that's determined by environment and what they have found that it is much more likely for a female set of twins to have different sexualities, meaning that female sexuality is a lot more fluid or easily influenced maybe by environment than male sexuality.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of profound, because it's a simple concept that men and women that become trans are experiencing different—to the point where they used to have gay—well, they still do—gay and lesbian.
		It's the same thing.
		Someone that enjoys sexuality with the same sex— Homosexual.
		Yeah.
		But they have different words.
		Completely different words.
		It's a gay man—I guess you would say a gay man or a gay woman—but a lesbian—you don't have lesbian men.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you do have gay women.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But you do have gay women.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's very interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Men care less, women care more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, across the board on everything, I feel like if... Yeah, guys are more likely to be like... Well, women are way more social creatures.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you saw there was this viral TikTok video that was going on.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It was a trans man, so a biological female, who essentially was crying on TikTok saying life was so much harder living as a man than she had thought it would be because it's harder to make friends, people aren't as considerate, And essentially, like, there is no more feminine or womanly thing you can do than be crying about these things, but I think it just illustrated where perhaps this isn't someone who is secretly trapped inside a male body, because these are very feminine urges that I, you know, not to say that men can't have feelings or they don't, but overall, like, the female experience is just way more concerned with social aspects, being involved in a group and all of that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like isolation tends to be harder on women?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Way harder, yeah.
		Men can function alone significantly better than women can.
		Not that every man doesn't need social interaction.
		It's much easier for men to deal with being alone.
		you know, social interaction stuff.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Hashtag not all, averages, etc.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you know, it's much easier for men to deal with being alone.
		I guess.
		And you'll find that like, when you deal with like, like, like hermits and dudes that kind
		of, you know, people that are off on their own and stuff, it's very, very, very frequently
		It's very rarely women.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And the women give birth, they're supposed to be nurturing, well, not supposed to, but they tend to be nurturing the baby.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And immediately they got that bond, physical, two people, and the man is off finding the food somewhere or something.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And I think what's really interesting is that when we look at the prevalence of autism diagnoses, I'm not even going to touch on how vaccines may or may not relate to this.
		I'm not trying to get in trouble.
		But we see that I think a lot of behaviors that may have just traditionally been more male behaviors, Because females overwhelmingly dominate psychology, I think they are essentially trying to pathologize what a lot of time is just regular male behavior.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		Like not every man is autistic.
		It's just a man.
		Sometimes they're just like that.
		And I think as women, we want to say that, no, you're wrong for thinking this.
		It's like, no, they're just different than we are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think if we really were in a patriarchy, Human civilization would be a lot more like lion civilization.
		You know, where the males sleep all day, wake up, the women bring them food and have the babies, and the men do very little.
		But that's not how it was.
		It was always more so men running into burning buildings, working in sewers and petroleum rigs, holding up half the world along with women.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think if we were actually a patriarchy, we'd be a whole lot closer to fascism than to liberalism.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think we are in a fascist system.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's so peaceful.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We are very, very much not.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The government-corporate collusion, like, that's all around us.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, like, have you ever been in some of these, like, mom book clubs?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		They're very fashy.
unidentified		Bro.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you about fascism, okay?
		And this is not even an example of fascism, but I can tell you how far away we are from it.
		I was in Thailand, and I was hanging out at a restaurant with some individuals, and someone was explaining a story about how some individuals had said, F the King, and then as soon as something said it went, Because you are literally not allowed to utter that sentence in any way for any reason, even if it is to criticize people for having said it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's called les majestés.
		If you're in Thailand, as a tourist.
		And you say something like, eh, the king is stupid, you can be arrested and charged for it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you know off the top of your head, can they have queens, Thailand, or is it male, patriarchal only?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I will say this.
		I am no expert on Thailand or anything.
		All I can tell you is I was there, and there was an issue of people having criticized the royal family and got arrested and charged for it.
		And one of the journalists who was down there was explaining the story to me, and having repeated those words, panicked and looked around to make sure nobody saw them do it because it was a crime.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, they take it very seriously.
		Growing up in Asia, I went to Thailand.
		If you go to a movie theater, at least back then when I was younger, they will have a little minute before the movie plays where you have to stand and pay homage to the king.
unidentified		Wow.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So they take it very seriously.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To be fair, King Bhumibol was, like, based and everyone really liked him.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He did, like, cool stuff helping the poor and boosting literacy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Queen Sirikit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can't speak for his son, which people have been very critical of, but I'm not a Thailand expert or anything like that.
		All I know is that when I was there, there were people... I would ask, like, someone from Thailand who was there working with us, and they'd be like, yeah, the laws are really dumb, but King really is cool.
		Like, he's not like a dictator or anything like that, but the law does kind of put pressure on you in that way.
		But my point is simply this.
		Thailand's not even a fascist country.
		You can fly in, you can do a lot of things.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's a monarchy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But the problem with fascism... Right, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's authoritarianism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're not even allowed to explain that someone else criticized the king.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We're in, like, a libertarian fascism system.
		It's not authoritarian, but it is fascist in that the government and the corporations have become one, almost.
		And it's peaceful, that's our purpose.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Private-public partnership to control behavior.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Even in fascist countries, you still had markets.
		It wasn't totally just the government taking over.
		So, to call what we have now, it's not fascist in most of the ways that people Conceptualize, actually, understand fascism, conceptualize fascism.
		I get that you're saying that there's, you know, there's collusion between government and corporations.
		I understand that.
		But, like, the jingoism that comes along with fascism, the militarism, we're not nearly as militaristic as people like... Hyper-traditionalism?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are nowhere near.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We are far closer to a communist country than we are to a fascist country.
unidentified		Really?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because fascism and communism aren't super different.
		People love to talk about their opposites.
		They're opposite sides of the same coin.
		The opposite is liberalism.
		Fascism and socialism are very similar.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian, in a communist state, the corporations, the industry is in collusion.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can say communism's inherently fascist.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But they're not.
		So fascism is traditionalist and communism is progressive.
		One of the big fights in Europe, a large component of it, was the hard-right factions, Nazis, fascists, etc., were much more traditionalist, much more, you know, women raising the family, that kind of stuff, and the communists were, erase all culture and start over.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, I bet there's something going on right here with the word fascist, because Mussolini had, the fascista was his political party, they were the fascists, so there's the big F, fascist political party, then there's just the concept of fascism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, the word fascist basically just means bad guy today.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Which is unfortunate because it specifically means corporate government collusion.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you want to find out about fascism, read something from Giovanni Gentili.
		He's the guy that came up with the idea of fascism.
		And you'll understand that it's not just...
		There's a lot of nationalism, there's oftentimes racism included, but not always.
		When you say fascist, people think Nazis, and Nazis were just the worst manifestation of fascism.
		Not all fascists are Nazis, but all Nazis are fascists.
		It's like Mustangs and Fords.
		Not all Fords are Mustangs, but all Mustangs are Fords.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		One thing.
		I gave you a little post-it right now.
		I think you should look up What If Alt History, because he just did a video explaining liberalism, communism, and fascism.
		I think you'd learn a tremendous amount about this video.
		He's a great dude.
		His name's Red Yard.
		Check it out.
		I think you'll learn.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What If Alt History.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		What If Alt History.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we are going to go to Super Chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends.
		Become a member at TimCast.com, because the members-only show is coming up, and this one's going to be spicy and not family-friendly, as they often are.
		And this will pertain to issues of identity and law and government and medications and stuff like that, so you'll definitely want to check this one out.
		But we'll read some Super Chats.
		We have Koldilocks Productions says, Tim, would you be willing to invite Tiki History onto the Culture War to talk about modern wokeism as compared to Nazi Germany and the difference between fascism and National Socialism?
		The Culture War is more so about having a debate or dialectic on particular issues.
		I think I'll just let you guys know tomorrow we have Destiny and John Doyle and we'll be talking about masculinity and just very briefly I asked Lauren if she wanted to join as well because I am such an embodiment of masculinity.
unidentified		You're a woman.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		As a woman, having that perspective, you know, as like, you know, two guys will be discussing masculinity and family and stuff, I think having a female perspective would make it a more robust conversation, but I don't want to spring that on Destiny and John Doyle, so, you know, because they were told, like, hey, here's what we're going to do.
		It's going to be you guys.
		If they're cool with it, it'll be awesome to have you, so that's tomorrow at 10 a.m.
		at youtube.com slash Timcast.
		As for the Tiki history... Tiki history, it's just T-I-K.
		It's TIK history.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		He's also, Ian, you should look up TIK history.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I just watched a video from the guy that you mentioned.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I just watched it like the other day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		As for this guy, coming on the Culture War would be to discuss conflicting ideas on an issue.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think he'd be on that show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Probably doesn't make sense, though.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But this show, IRL, you think he'd fit on here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The challenge with IRL, and the reason we separated the shows, is because this is topical news, which sometimes goes into cultural issues that we care about.
		And so the issue with The Culture War was, if we have someone like Lance or Matt Binder or, you know, Emma or whoever on the show, it turns into a two-hour long, or like when Vosh came on, it was like a five-hour debate.
		Like a five-hour clashing on all these ideas.
		And I'm just like, that's very different from what IRL does, where it's like, we'll pull up a story and then we'll talk about it, and we'll pull up a story and then we'll talk about it.
		We just did go into like a half an hour conversation on a bunch of different issues, which is very cultural, but it's still, if we're going to intentionally invoke those discussions and debates, we should create a format specifically for it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So really, really excited for tomorrow morning to talk about these issues with Destiny and John Doyle, and then assuming there's no issues, Lauren joining as well would be absolutely fantastic, so that would be super cool and fun.
		But we'll read some more Super Chats.
		Grofty says, lightly, gently push the like button.
		No damage.
		That would be great.
		Thank you very much.
		What do we got?
		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, Tim, you asked last night about giving up on Charlestown.
		No way, Jose.
		Once you get up and running down there, folks will move in.
		Youse can def find someone for the city council.
		Town takeover.
		So it's been a challenge.
		The first building we bought is extremely difficult to deal with.
		And we're trying to get it sorted.
		It's just taking forever.
		So a building popped up for sale in Charlestown, West Virginia.
		And we considered buying that so that we have two locations now so we can try and speed things up.
		But I don't know, man.
unidentified		It's tough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's tough.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think do it.
		Go for it, yeah.
		Having two locations is key.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I think Raymond is correct.
		I think a lot of people are correct.
		Everyone said, no, you have to do it because we have to take territory.
		We have to push back.
		We can't let the woke miss.
		Basically what happened was Charlestown passed a pride resolution supporting Pride Month or something.
		And I'm like, should we invest in a town doing this?
		Everybody said yes, because then you'll create the inverse pressure to push back on it.
		Agreed.
		Now the issue is can we actually buy the building because of is the building good to buy, right?
		Now it's like inspections and all that stuff.
		So it seems like we are interested now and I agree.
		Thank you for your input, everyone.
		I think you are correct in that.
		Now we actually have to go through the motions of whether or not we can actually buy the building outside of the ideological reasons.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Batting a thousand, bro.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like Charlestown, too.
		It's great.
		Jefferson County tends to be pretty good.
		So, you know, we'll see.
		Or maybe we'll just do Harper's Ferry.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's right next to Harper's Ferry.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, it's one of my favorite cities, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Harper's Ferry is amazing.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's also Charlestown, not Charleston.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Charleston's like five hours away and it's near Kentucky.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're gonna miss it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Very different.
unidentified		Let's see what we got.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Robert Knight says, call this White House appeal what it is, attempting to legalize fascism.
		Fascism being the partnership of public and private entities to further ideals.
		That was a component of it, but fascism, if you're looking at the bigger picture, was heavily traditionalist and military structures.
		I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on fascism, but it's not Not just that.
		Yeah, that was a component that Mussolini had pointed out, but communism does the same thing, too.
		Communists go in and take over industry and then have government and industry collude and everything.
		Effectively, just take it over, but you get the point.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Here we go!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		M says, bring Joshua Noel Moon on the show, he's interested.
		Who is that?
		I don't know who that is.
		You know, we'll take a look.
		Kevin Brady says, you cannot delete your account, referring to threads, without nuking your Instagram.
		The data it farms is egregious as well.
		It's a trap.
		Thanks, LifeLog.
		Well, all right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Joshua Null Moon is the current owner of Kiwi Farms.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've heard massive drama about that thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't been following.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like a culture war show.
		Yeah.
		Bringing on people to have big direct discussions on a bunch of issues as opposed to topical news.
		All right, we'll read some more.
		Toaster Strudel says, Tim, you got to have on two people, Pastor Mark Driscoll and Sean Foked, is that how you say it?
		With Let Us Worship and Hold the Line, both are anti-woke and actively pushing back.
		Check them out.
		We definitely got to do our culture war on religion with like Ian and Seamus and other people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a good sign.
		There's a lot of potential guests.
		Maybe we need more shows.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we do a culture war twice a week.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a good idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		There's also I mean, if you're taking suggestions for culture war, there's a very interesting thing happening, I guess, among right wing Christianity where some are like, hey, Muslims based allies or Muslims enemies.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		So that's that's kind of I've been interested in that conversation happening.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Majid Nawaz, I like a lot.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		He's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was that famous video of Muslims protesting LGBT curriculums in schools and leftist activists coming and protesting back but saying, we're doing it for you, we're doing it for you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then there was that video recently where the Muslim kids were stomping on the pride flags.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		And there was also that leaked audio of the Canadian teacher telling this Muslim kid who was not participating in Pride, I guess, to the fullest extent, basically saying, get out of here, go back to your country, which is not very liberal.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But, yeah, I'm very critical of mass migration, but I also studied Middle East studies, and I feel like, I mean, to, like, criticize my own side, a lot of, like, evangelical Christians, especially, don't really understand a lot of Islam, so they make a lot of just false statements about Muslims, so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Drail says Ian Crossland is the GOAT.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What up, Drail?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then he puts a goat emoji in 100.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, dude.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, everyone gets to serve that role at least once.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kyle Miller says, do you think Threads is going to be installed by default on our phones like Facebook?
		Yes.
		Isn't it like you can't uninstall, you can't delete Facebook?
		It just deactivates?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't like remove, it's going to be on your phone, which is annoying because I'm always running out of memory and I don't go on Facebook on my phone, but I can't get rid of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you have Android, you can flash a new, you know, operating system or something.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That's not something I'm good at.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But my husband has been on this quest to find a phone that does not rely on Google.
		net you click go and it gives you a clean operating system.
		Yeah.
		Brandon, I don't know, setting up a new phone is so awful.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But my husband has been on this quest to find a phone that does not rely on Google.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		He used to have the Vuella phone, which I don't think- Or Linux.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Isn't there the Ubuntu phone or something?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		He's had problems.
		He found a good one that only worked in Canada, and then we moved.
		He actually had to buy yet another phone because it didn't work with American carriers for some reason.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever look into the Freedom phone?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so we actually, they sent us that to try, but mine didn't really work, so I never endorsed it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Yeah.
		We weren't able to purchase them.
		They were like out, and then we just kind of petered off, and my girlfriend has one that she has yet to set up as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We wanted to test them, but we didn't want to accept them from the company because they, you know, it's a Potemkin phone or something, but then we tried to order and we couldn't get it, so we never did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Jason Hutchinson says, what if Lee Harvey was hired by the government to be there under the guise of being security and then they just used him as an easy fall guy?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He said he was a patsy, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen the movie Shooter?
		You guys seen Shooter with Mark Wahlberg?
		Yeah.
		He's a sniper, retired.
		They go to him and they say, we need your help.
		Someone's planning an assassination and we need your expertise.
		So they bring him there and say, tell us where you think it's going to happen.
		And they bring him up in a building and he goes, there, from over there.
		Then he turns around and there's some fat cop.
		And it's like, what?
		And the cop shoots him.
		He's the fall guy they tried claiming was some crazy reckless living in the woods.
		And that movie's pretty good.
		I like it.
		It was like, I think it was kind of obvious what they were going for with that movie.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think Oswald loaned his rifle out to somebody like before all that happened.
		I could be, this is something I've heard.
		I defer to the experts, which is, what's his name?
		The director who did Platoon.
		You know what I'm talking about?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember who you're talking about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's like the greatest director of all time.
		He was in Vietnam.
		He was on Rogan.
		Alright, Super Chats.
		I'll come up with it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brown Bear says, how long until they try and claim the cocaine they found in the White House is Trump's?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Weren't there already people posting it was Trump Jr.'s?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were like, oh, it was left over and they found it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, several years later, police confirmed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Corrector is Oliver Stone.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Oliver Stone, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Expert on JFK.
unidentified		We'll grab some more Super Chats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is this one?
		Tyler Kerbyson says, wouldn't it be funny if this was the handlers of Biden?
		Can say the cocaine was self-doping and not propping up the stooge sleepy Joe.
		Clearly they have been given the go-ahead to trash Biden.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think they're just trying to find a way to get Biden out and they're going to give him like a moderate fall, nothing too crazy, but it's going to be like, oh, I can't do this anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or something bad happens to Hunter and he's like, oh, you know, family first.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a literal fall?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean like a political fall.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, not a literal one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's had many of those.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Did you guys see Kamal is now the lowest rated VP in American history, which is Dick Cheney shot a guy.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty bad.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's based.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I forgot about that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Geez.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Was that like from a poll?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How many, do you know how many people were polled?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not sure.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, anecdotally, I don't have problems believing it, but I'm not sure, like, what the margins were or anything like that, or the sample size.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So let me break this down, because we've talked about this.
		We're heading towards a future where you'll be able to open up an app and type in Make a movie about a man with the power of ice who saves the world from an evil dragon that is trying to blow up the earth.
		It will then render that thing for you, however, it will not be rendered perfectly.
		The story could be slightly boring, so what you do is... You can do this now.
		You can go to the OpenAI Playground and say, write me a story about a hippie named Ian who discovers a graphene alloy which saves the world.
		It will then write a story.
		You'll read the first few sentences and go, that's pretty good.
		Uh-oh, this sentence is stupid.
		You'll erase half of it and then correct.
		It might say, once Ian discovered the graphene, he sold it for $1,000,000.
		You stop, erase $1,000,000 and put $1,000,000,000.
		Then click go and it will start writing again with your prompt.
		My point is, you could have it write stories for you where periodically you have to correct the path it's on to make it work properly.
		I suppose in the future, AI will just make really great stories because it'll get better and better at it.
		But I kind of do feel like you will always need some human element to make it more acceptable to humans.
		So it's not just about telling it to write a book.
		It's about going in and creating the paths that the writing goes down.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In fact, that would be the human censoring the AI.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And you do need a censor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it's not offensive, we'll let it happen.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Our question was, does AI produce art, not does that make the person the artist?
		So that's a different thing.
		It does.
		Yeah, I think it still does.
		But even then, there are people who think that art is the process, and there are people who think that art is the result.
		I'm someone who thinks more that art is the result.
		I'm comfortable saying that, you know, AI creates this beautiful masterpiece, that's art.
		Some nouveau, avant-garde, shoe-on-the-floor modern art, that's not art.
		I'm comfortable saying that, but I think some people who are saying, like, no, it's all about the human experience.
		Then you lead yourself to a position where an amazing masterpiece by AR is not art, but the shoe-on-the-floor is art.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		GrizzLab says, I make AI-generated realistic images of women and sell not-safe-for-work content online.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm making over $1,000 per month in subscription for men who simp for AI images of realistic women.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That is incredible if that's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The AI stuff is just so terrifying.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		There are now AI girlfriends, like AI girlfriend chatbots.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you guys use AI to produce images or stories or anything, put it in the description of the art.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Please.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ethics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're legit.
		Very, very close.
		To Robo girlfriends.
		I just saw this movie recently.
		I saw this movie recently and it was called, um, what was it called?
		No, no, no, no, no.
		It's about a husband and wife.
		They get their, their robot servants.
		Everybody has, they make copies of each other and download their memories in the event one, one or the other dies.
		So you guys are listening may know what movie this is.
		And then the guy dies.
		And so she activates the robot but then thinks it's a mistake and tries to kick him out.
		And then it's it's got the guy from Shang-Chi in it.
		And do you guys know what this movie is called?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking in the chat.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Somebody knows.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was the name of that movie?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I just watched it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		You meant surrogates and I thought like ex machina but like I don't know what that is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, nobody seems to know what the movie is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, uh, it's not Surrogates.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's not Shagbots.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's about, uh, these AI are becoming sentient and the company has AI police who go and try and stop them from going rogue.
		And then this guy has all the memories of the dude he was based on.
		He wants, he wants to keep that life.
		It is not Altered Carbon.
		Nobody knows this movie.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		How do you guys play Detroit Become Human?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not Surrogates.
		Surrogates is about people who pilot robots.
		How does nobody know the name of this movie?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Is it Samuel Yeoh?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is it what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he's in it.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so maybe we should look him up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go to his filmography.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because I think this movie just came out recently.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I watched some Black Mirror the other night.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was nuts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you.
		I got his Wikipedia right here.
		I'm gonna pull up his filmography.
		I'll tell you what this movie was.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cool Runnings.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is this from a while ago?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Upload wait at least.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's television bicentennial.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was simulant boom simulant simulant interesting Simulant is the name of the movie.
		I thought it was a decently good Yeah, cool.
		Yeah, but I think so so, you know, he dies and the wife is like I want my husband back So she turns this robot on and then she's like this is insane and creepy.
		I don't want to do this anymore but then you know, she like I would have to destroy him then the air robots like I want an AI girlfriend and This is going to happen.
		Every incel will have a waifu.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You better hope that your waifu doesn't want a robot and gets sick of the human because the human's not going to be able to keep up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to find someone who can direct short films because I want to do a bunch of these short films, right?
		How about a 10 minute short film where some incel buys a waifu and then she's like a perfect wife, but then the beings like the robots are becoming sentient and then are like, I don't want this life.
		Like, you know, there have been similar things like that, but become human.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		You should play that game.
unidentified		I did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was okay.
		But like, yes, there's stories like it, you know, where robots become sentient.
		You know, it would be fun to make these little short films.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think we have 40% of the crew.
		We've got the writer and the director.
		Now we just need like two, three more people, including one female actor.
		We need someone who can like take the idea, write the script, knows how to execute the script and I want to have an AI write a script and do exactly what you were saying, where the writer, like Wesley or something, goes in and changes some of it, and it'll be like, written by Wesley Roth and artificial intelligence.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		They've done that, and some of them are not necessarily worse than what Hollywood pumps up nowadays.
		Not to say that it's good, but some stuff that actually gets made nowadays is pretty bad.
		Regarding, like, the AI girlfriends, it's gonna really, really change male-female dynamics, because with an AI girlfriend, these chatbots, we're already seeing it, like, ultimately, the chatbot is inclined to keep you paying.
		So it's not, I mean, I guess you could say, well, so is the actual woman, because we want your resources, and so it's all about the money.
		Don't take robots!
		But I think it would be, it would really, really change what humans expect from relationships.
unidentified		You know what's gonna happen?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Every person will have a robo-partner, and then what'll happen is, when they wanna have kids, they'll submit their info to the clinic, then people will go to the clinic database, and then be like, who would you like to have a partner with, and you'll swipe like Tinder, you'll never actually meet the person, but eventually someone will swipe right on you, and then it'll be like, This person has matched with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Press OK to, you know, create child.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		The surrogacy industry is booming.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		We're already getting closer to that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It will not eventually happen like that.
		Same thing that happens with Tinder will happen on that.
		It'll be a small portion of people are the ones that people are like, I want to have.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I didn't say that wasn't going to happen.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I thought that I thought you said that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So eventually you'll find.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there will.
		But, you know, if like, Women on Tinder typically go for the top 20% of guys, but the bottom percentage of guys still sometimes do get matches.
		So you will still see pair like this kind of thing happening.
		And then what will happen is the clinic will grow the baby in a pod.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then you will have your joint custody with your robot.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It will be delivered to you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		This is already happening.
unidentified		And it'll be a guy in a short costume.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		It's already happening to some extent with surrogacy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm wondering if they're going to have the guy do his thing into a cup in his house that's connected to a computer that can retro... that it can measure the chemicals in the semen and then reverse-engineer it on the other end and inseminate the woman without ever having to actually go mail it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		DNA may be in the future, DNA analysis, but what I imagine will happen is the guy will engage in relations with his robo-wife Who will then be like- Oh, she'll go back to the headquarters with it?
		She'll be like, I'm gonna go back to the clinic and it's gonna be totally like, that was really fun, honey.
		I'm gonna go to the clinic and deliver your seed for your child.
		And he'll be like, great.
		And then she'll get in the car and she'll drive.
		Or, you know, wheels come out of her legs and she goes, woohoo!
		Like, you know, that robot from the Jetsons or whatever.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Rosie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rosie, there you go.
		VikingVet says, your argument about check the IDs means we get rid of online anonymity.
		So are you against online anonymity?
		The only way to gatekeep your arguing for opening the gate to never having your personal information kept private.
		Talk about the straw man!
		To end all straw man arguments.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Are you against in-person anonymity, I guess would be the retort?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Me saying children should not be allowed to watch porn and then going, you're against anonymity!
		Okay, nice straw man attempt.
		It makes me think you probably want to give kids porn.
		Like, dude, there's a difference.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I could see it opening a gate to being like, now you need an ID to sign up for Twitter.
		If you're going to use social media, you need an ID.
		And then it's like, I don't think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How about Twitter is public.
		You are not allowed to post.
		Illegal content.
		Some things are illegal.
		We, like, free speech does not mean you can go out and have sex in public.
		That's not what free speech is.
		And when it comes to burning flags, you can't!
unidentified		The left likes to argue, you know, the Supreme Court ruled we can burn our flags.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, yes, but you can't set fire to objects in public.
		If you have a controlled space and you own the flag, you can burn it.
		You can't start fires in the middle of the street.
		That's called arson.
		Well, I don't know if that would specifically be arson, but probably something in line with that.
		So, you can go online, you can be anonymous, but if someone wants to deliver contraband, like some controlled content or substance or whatever, yeah, you can't anonymously buy booze.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know, man.
		It does feel like this could be a Trojan horse if they're like, no, we're doing it for your own good.
		We're doing it to protect you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, I've never... Give me your data.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I think the thing is that people want porn more than they want to protect children from porn.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's, it's the crazy thing to me that people are like, I've never been, this is why I've never been a hardcore staunch libertarian.
		Like the guy who got up on stage at Libertarian Party and argued about selling heroin to kids.
		I'm like, nope.
		Like, sorry, I don't go for that level of degradation.
		Like, and degeneracy.
		We have to have reasonable limits where we agree we want to stop people from harming children.
		There has got to be some moral standard.
		That's just, that's really...
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We debate that in minds a lot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I lean libertarian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Whether or not we have porn on the system.
		Yeah, we would always talk about, should we have porn on the system?
		And it was like, Bill was like, I want full open trans, like he was like, he's the transparency
		He's he loves it.
		And then john is like, the more conservative.
		He's like, No, no, no, no, we're not turning into a porn site.
		And it was like, just a kind of an ongoing conversation.
		But what do we do?
		Because it's an anonymous, you don't need a personality, like you don't need to give data to sign up, you just need an email address.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		VikingVet says, your position on online information is anti-freedom.
		Freedom is dangerous and takes constant vigilance.
		There needs to be better restrictions for child accounts.
		Not restrict anonymity.
		No social media till 18.
		I just love this fake argument you've made up about me opposing anonymity, but then you literally made an argument for banning kids from social media till 18, which would require identification.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		No, we just ask them and they'll tell the truth.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		People wouldn't lie on the internet, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, so I'm actually not arguing against anonymity.
		I'm saying you can't post porn in public.
		If you want to make it so that kids can't use social media until 18, that would require everyone to send their ID to the social media company to prove their age.
		I'm not arguing that.
		You, sir, are opposed to anonymity.
		Let's grab some more Super Chats as we move on.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What do we got? It's a good super chat by the way. Blytaga says,
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian's logic is the same logic leftist teachers use in schools to teach LGBT plus kink in elementary
		and middle schools. Well, it's on TikTok, so we might as well teach it because it's in the world.
		It's not just that they've quite literally said this, it is one of their principal arguments.
		Children are being exposed to this stuff, they're seeing it, and if we don't teach them,
		they'll be confused. And my response is, why are kids seeing things that were not legal to
		publish in the first place? When did we start allowing all of these laws to be broken with
		no enforcement?
		This is why I'm kind of like, you know, this country is fractured and falling apart.
		You know, I say civil war, it's not just about the fact that people are screaming at each other and Joe Biden's locking up innocent or locking up people without charge or trial.
		I say innocent because there's no charges.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're innocent until proven guilty.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But to lock someone up without charge or trial for two years and torture them, this country has just fallen apart.
		But the idea that our law enforcement apparatus has allowed Antifa rioters to just do whatever they want, has all this violence and vandalism, crime is skyrocketing, kids going to adult sex shows in Texas and the cops being like, well, I'm not going to do anything about it.
		People posting lewd and lascivious content on the internet, which is already illegal, and the cops doing nothing about it, even in West Virginia.
		There's no law enforcement.
		It's a narco-tyranny, absolutely.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's really up to the parents to enforce their child's mind.
		I think you just can't rely on the state to do that.
		And I don't encourage showing kids... What does that mean?
		The parents gotta say, no, you're not going on the internet.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		You can't just be like, hey... But it's not just in the internet, as Tim has pointed out.
		This is also something they're getting in public schools.
		So we're just failing on all fronts to keep this away from kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And this argument that you can't rely on law enforcement for this reason is illogical.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We rely on law enforcement to enforce tons of laws, not just loot and lascivious actions in public.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I think that the powers that be will make a law to then enforce whatever they want.
		And you really need a parent to enforce morality, which the government's not always going to be the moral force.
		Of good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		We do need a moral society, because when you don't have one, the police stop enforcing the laws, when children are brought to sex shows where things are written on the wall saying, it's not gonna lick itself, and when people start complaining that children are being exposed to adult sex shows, the cops go, well don't look at me, I can't do anything about it, when they actually could, because it's illegal, the cops don't enforce the laws anymore.
		That's what happens when you have no moral society.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're afraid of getting sued and stuff like that.
		It's not good.
		But hey, just to speak back to this last Super Chat, I don't advocate to show kids the horrible things that I'm trying to prevent them from seeing.
		I used to think like, well, if it's out there, then I should expose myself to it.
		But after I saw enough people's arms get blown off, I was like, I think it's changing me.
		I don't want to see it anymore.
		If you're an adult, yes.
		But you need to prepare children.
		If you're going to send them out there into the internet, you need to prepare them somehow.
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we can prepare children by saying, this is how you safely go online.
		You don't click links.
		Like there's going to be people who are trying to talk to you.
		Like, don't, don't do that.
		That's one thing, allowing them to navigate safely online in addition to parental controls.
		But I think the way that the left view it, it's like, it's not just that we need to teach them to navigate safely online.
		We need to teach them about all these terrible things before other people can introduce it to them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's their view.
		We're almost out of time.
		I want to read two more messages.
		One's from Frog Club in the regular chat.
		He says, FFS Tim, for F's sake, you can't rely on law enforcement.
		Tim, people can loot shops and you talk about it yourself.
		Yes, my point is this.
		Police are not enforcing the law and they should be.
		I am not saying that we should just accept the way things are and then expect them to be different.
		I'm saying they should literally be different and we should actually effect change My point is this.
		I agree.
		Cops aren't enforced in the law.
		We have an immoral, amoral society and cops are refusing to do their jobs.
		So no, you can't rely on law enforcement.
		We need to change culture so that law enforcement begin to do their job once again.
		We have to change it in that way.
		I'm not an anarchist.
		I am not someone who is like, there should be no cops ever.
		My point, you know, in the simple version with what we have going on in major cities is if cops are not enforced in the law, we shouldn't have cops at all.
		So defund them and abolish them.
		In reality, what we do want is a moral society where cops uphold our moral, respect the constitutional rights of individuals, strive to bring about true justice, and it's very, very difficult to maintain.
		And lastly, Josh Pliley says, Hey, Tim, have you started set up started slash set up your business grant program for cultural positive program?
		Who should I reach out to throw my hat in?
		Technically, we have done a couple already.
		We've got to figure out how we're doing it because it's kind of just vague and nebulous.
		I've given some people money to keep up their work.
		Ideally, we have a forum in the members-only chat where people can post the things that they're working on.
		And then we do shoutouts on Friday for different stuff that our members have worked on to help promote their products.
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		Lauren, do you want to shout anything out?
lauren chen ▲ ● ▼		I guess if you want to follow me on my YouTube channel, Lauren Chen for political social stuff.
		I'm sorry.
		I'm like very poppy on our mic.
		So I'm like scared to get close.
		So yeah, Lauren Chen, YouTube channel, political social stuff, a mediaholic for the pop culture entertainment stuff.
		And I am at the Lauren Chen on Twitter, Instagram, Telegram, basically everywhere.
		You can also find my videos on TPUSA, their socials and YouTube account, as well as Blaze TV.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I am PhilThatRemains on Twitter, PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
		The band is All That Remains.
		We're available, you can find us on Spotify, on Pandora, Apple Music, YouTube, the whole nine.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And I'm Ian Crossland.
		You guys should check out Cast Castle on TimCast.com if you haven't seen it yet.
		There have been some really good episodes the last four weeks.
		Chris Burtman, this guy's awesome.
		If you don't know him, you'll love him.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's great.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a great actor.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Chris, you knocked me off my socks, man.
unidentified		I love you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Good work.
		I'm looking forward to working with you more, man.
		And Wesley, great job.
		Aaron, nice work.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Chris Burtman is definitely something, isn't he?
		I'm Surge.com.
		Follow me on the internet.
		I'm all over the place.
		I'm using threads too, but I think it's not long for this world.
		See you guys around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will see you all over at TimCast.com in a few minutes.

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