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June 30, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Italy Offers COLOSSEUM To Elon Musk And Zuckerberg For FIGHT w/Alex Stein
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alex stein
30:10
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ashley st clair
10:04
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hannah claire brimelow
08:24
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ian crossland
12:30
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tim pool
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tim pool
Italy has offered Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg the use of the Colosseum for their fight.
Please, I don't know who may be out there, a higher power, whatever you are, please, all I ask is to make that happen.
Could you guys imagine?
The Coliseum, lights, cameras, the stage, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, that'd be the greatest thing ever.
So yeah, we're gonna talk about that.
And then we got a bunch of news.
I guess it's news Joe Biden's going to bypass the Supreme Court rulings because, you know, he's fairly corrupt, but sure, whatever.
Michigan is making it a felony to use the wrong pronouns.
What else is new?
And in France, there's a major riot going on.
A Republican congressman said that he thinks alien ships may actually be from a lost civilization.
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We got Alex Stein.
alex stein
Pimp on a blimp!
Let's go insane for the Ukraine.
Let's do it.
tim pool
Okay.
unidentified
Ashley St.
tim pool
Clair is still here.
ashley st clair
Hello!
I haven't left.
They've kept me and kidnapped here.
I had to eat sushi and look at a skate park.
tim pool
Yes.
alex stein
That was fun.
hannah claire brimelow
So you admit it, there's a skate park.
unidentified
It's there.
alex stein
That's a big conspiracy.
ashley st clair
It's there.
tim pool
Hannah Clare is here.
unidentified
Oh hey!
hannah claire brimelow
She's already talking.
Sorry.
I'm Hannah Clare Brimelow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Ian Crosland here, too.
I read that comic.
I like it.
Silence do good.
Cool stuff, man.
You guys did a great job.
That's really interesting.
It's intriguing.
For, like, a six-page preempt, that's really cool.
Thanks.
unidentified
It's well done.
It's Kellan filling in Friday for Surge, and I just want to say happy birthday, Grimace, so shout out.
alex stein
We love you, Grimace, RIP.
unidentified
I think he died today, too.
alex stein
It's his birthday, but I think he died as well.
tim pool
Let's jump into the first story, the only story that matters.
Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, Italian government offer, fight like true gladiators at the Colosseum.
The Ministry of Culture's office issued a statement saying, there have been no... Okay, so they're already raining on our parade.
This is the update literally as of right now.
There has been no formal contact from the Ministry nor any written document, even if the news appears tasty, it is unfounded.
The initial report was that an official from the government of Italy contacted Zuckerberg about staging a UFC fight against Elon at the most legendary battleground in the world.
You know why I think it's more likely they did make the offer?
I think they're panicking and they're saying, no, no, no, no, we never, we never made this up.
No, I think someone probably did.
I think someone was like a preliminary.
Look, if someone in Italy was going to entertain the possibility, the first thing you got to do is figure out if Elon and Zuckerberg would do it.
You can't go to the government and say, hey, let's prepare the Coliseum for a UFC fight.
We'll book them later.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
The first thing we do is they'll go to Mark Zuckerberg and say, hey, how would you feel about fighting at the Coliseum?
Zuckerberg tells somebody, the story goes viral, and it was preliminary in the sense that you need to know for sure they want to do it before you make any moves to prepare for it.
But, uh, what do you think, Alex?
alex stein
You don't think they would just fake it for the publicity and just say that, I mean, it's a possibility?
I just, I don't believe anything that I read in the news, so I think that they could just be... Oh, you think he's just lying about it?
I mean, yeah, they're just trying to get some clout or... I just want to believe it's true, though.
ashley st clair
No, Elon tweeted it!
alex stein
I know, I want to believe it's true!
ashley st clair
He tweeted it!
Elon said there's a high possibility the fight happens at the Coliseum.
alex stein
Oh, that's where shit happens.
ashley st clair
And as he says, the most entertaining outcome is the most likely.
ian crossland
I highly agree with that.
ashley st clair
That would be the most entertaining outcome.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think Elon's just manifesting, though?
unidentified
Like, no one from Italy was... I don't think he needs to manifest.
ashley st clair
He probably actually got the offer.
hannah claire brimelow
What if he's a huge believer in manifesting?
That's how he's gonna get a fight at Coliseum.
tim pool
We got his tweet right here.
He said, some chance fight happens in Coliseum.
ashley st clair
I told you.
tim pool
So I need to work on my endurance.
ian crossland
It's a non-zero chance.
He said he needs to work on his endurance?
alex stein
Yeah.
ian crossland
You know, Lex Friedman sparred with both these guys, Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg, and at the end of it all he said, I love these guys, I had so much fun, I want them to be sparring partners.
I don't want them to actually fight, because, you know, you break Elon Musk's brain, that's a big problem for a lot of people.
Same with Zuck.
So, I kind of with Mark, I don't even think it has to be like wet blanket, like womp womp.
It could be really great to see Elon and Mark spar and to see them become friends and work together for the future.
ashley st clair
I would agree.
I don't think Elon's mom is too happy either.
You've seen her tweets.
alex stein
Do you think Elon would consider a performance-enhancing neural link to help him in the fight if he hooked himself up to a computer to give him an advantage?
ian crossland
His neural net versus Zuckerberg's meta net?
alex stein
Yeah, I mean they could be each other's... Somehow they both need to hook up to a computer and fight in the metaverse and then nobody gets hurt.
ian crossland
If you were gonna do a boxing match and you could somehow have like an augmented chip or system so that you could read your opponent's algorithm, like you could see their muscle, you could see what part of their muscles were getting hot How fast parts of their body were moving, would you augment?
alex stein
Well, yeah, I mean, I think the future, you know, we joke about this a lot, Ian, but I really, I'm a conspiracy theorist, I'm a tinfoil hat wearing, but I do believe that that is the future, that they're going to tell people to plug into a computer, some sort of vanilla sky fake world, and you're going to live in some sort of pod, but on Earth, they're going to say, you only live until 70 years, but in this pod, you're going to live for a thousand years.
tim pool
Because, more than that, or more than that, no, no, no, but I mean, more than just being immortal, they're going to say, in the pod, you can fly.
alex stein
Yeah, you can be quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.
tim pool
What was that?
You identify as a carrot?
In the pod, you can be a carrot.
alex stein
Exactly right.
tim pool
In the pod, you are a carrot.
Carrot world.
Imagine somebody being like, I just feel like I was born in the wrong body, I'm a carrot.
And then they plug you in, and you go into a fake world where every other person is an AI-generated NPC, and they're carrots, and you live in a world where everyone's a carrot.
ashley st clair
That'd be better than what's happening right now, to be honest.
alex stein
Cutting off all their limbs.
That's why they're making the world so bad!
ashley st clair
Don't be a metaverse carrot.
alex stein
They want you to have such a terrible life, you know, just be totally basically destitute, can't make any money, so that your only option is that you live in this computer where you're a millionaire.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a long-term marketing scheme.
alex stein
Yes.
tim pool
I mean, is Cypher wrong when he's eating the steak and he's like, I don't care?
alex stein
That's the best part of the movie, really.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex stein
Think about it, because, like, do you really want to go back to the Matrix?
I probably would.
I mean, if you're on a ship with a bunch of dudes, like, pooping, you know... In a bucket.
In a bucket!
You know, that movie's terrible.
Or you can go to the fake metaverse where you can just eat steak and be a billionaire.
tim pool
But once you know, dude.
Once you know, it's like...
Knowing that your body is in some metal tank, you know, in a pod, being pumped full of bugs, no steak would ever taste as good.
You'd be like constantly like, you know what I mean?
alex stein
Well, I don't know.
My dreams feel real sometimes.
You've had a dream that felt real.
How do you get... Well, I'm just saying, in the metaverse, or whatever, when you're plugged in, your dreams could feel like it's real.
I mean, I've had sex in a dream and it felt real.
I mean, I've eaten in a dream and it seemed like I was eating food.
tim pool
Every time I try punching in a dream, my hands just move real slow.
unidentified
Yeah, that's weird.
When I start running away, you're like... The worst reading!
alex stein
But you know what I still have?
Do you guys have stress dreams?
I have a dream and it's recurring.
I don't have it as much anymore where I wake up in the middle of the night and it's a friend calling me and he's like, why aren't you at the exam right now?
And I get a zero on the test.
hannah claire brimelow
I have that regularly.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't have that because I didn't go to school.
ashley st clair
Do you guys have regular dreams about missing exams?
hannah claire brimelow
No, it was like, I always had this dream when I was in college that I had signed up for a class and then somehow forgotten about it and on the last day of the semester you remember and you have to go take a final or something.
Yeah, or it's like- Just that you have something you have forgotten.
That sense is always there.
alex stein
It'll be like a football game.
I'll be in high school and I'll be like, I got a football game tonight and I can't get there.
tim pool
It's weird.
Yeah, I have dreams like that, but it's more like I miss the show.
Yeah, that's exactly like I'll have a dream where it's like we're our car broke down in DC and it's like we're not gonna make it back in time.
What do we do?
ian crossland
And I'm like, wow, I'm gonna miss it mine where I'd be have a play that night and I didn't know my lines.
I forgot to memorize my lines, but I'm all going on stage in the dream and it's like I have this recurring nightmare where Alex Stein is boxing a guy.
That's terrifying.
unidentified
That's a scary dream, yeah, me boxing.
tim pool
Is that what's going on?
What's going on?
alex stein
I'm boxing!
Yes, guys, everybody, July 22nd, Misfits008.
You're looking at the newest Logan Paul wannabe, Primetime Alex Stein.
I'm going head-to-head against Mo Dean in a no-holds bar.
Well, there are rules, so there are I was noticing you're looking a little thin.
unidentified
I am!
Thank you, Tim!
alex stein
Tim's been very nice to me.
There are rules in boxing gloves.
But no helmet, no headgear, and it's three two-minute rounds in Modine.
You better watch out, dawg, because I'm going to bring the thunder and the lightning if
tim pool
you know what I mean.
I was noticing you're looking a little thin.
alex stein
I am!
Thank you, Tim!
Tim's been very nice to me.
And to that girl last week, there's a...
I'm telling you, I've never seen more sushi in my life.
I thought I was in Japan when I walked in.
You have a refrigerator full of... Why do you have so much sushi?
tim pool
It's Friday.
alex stein
I know, but you got a lot.
I mean, there's a lot.
There's a platter.
tim pool
There's 30 people who work here.
alex stein
That's a lot of sushi.
tim pool
We get two trays for, like, 30 people.
Normally, like, the scraps we throw to the chickens, but the chickens are in an emergency holding facility due to the air quality.
alex stein
That's what I heard.
tim pool
Which has improved, so now they can come home.
Yeah, the air quality is totally safe.
Now it rained.
I'm very happy.
This morning, I was inhaling that oxygen stuff.
Really works.
ian crossland
I got a question about everybody getting put in pods.
You guys were talking about that earlier.
So you said they think they want people in pods just because they want you to... At least I've talked about this.
They want to control people and make sure they don't go crazy and put them in the pod.
Do you think that people really believe that if we were happy and we started pairing up and having families and communities, that that would actually be a bad thing?
Is there a thought that that would be bad somehow?
ashley st clair
Yes, because they hate you.
ian crossland
Like, what is it they hate?
What do you think they hate?
tim pool
You are the carbon they are trying to reduce.
ashley st clair
You're a peasant that they want to eradicate.
tim pool
Imagine this.
Imagine you have roommates who keep pooping on the floor.
You would like to not have those roommates, correct?
ian crossland
That's true, yeah.
tim pool
That's how they view you.
They're like, look, we're over here trying to worship Malik and, you know, create a one-world currency, and this guy Ian Crossan's making these videos about abolishing the Federal Reserve.
That's a problem for us.
alex stein
And Ian, it said it on the Georgia Guidestones, they want to reduce the population.
tim pool
It said, maintain a population under 500 million.
It didn't say reduce the population.
alex stein
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Yes, but there's a reason why they want a small population because they just want the elites and then basically like a housekeeping staff.
So they just don't want there to be like two classes.
And that's kind of where we're going.
There is no middle class anymore.
And that's why I think people have lost the American dream because nobody can afford a single family home.
And if you look at like the price of a single family home in the 60s to now, I mean, it's just it's impossible.
Our parents had A lot easier when I come to the American Dream.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's why the US government and Big Pharma and tech companies love depressed people, because who's gonna get into these pods?
Like, if you have friends, a community, and a family, why would you be like, I need to live in virtual reality?
Whereas if you don't like your life, you're lonely, you're depressed, of course you would get into the pod.
You're the first to go.
tim pool
But they like everyone here.
They don't like liberals.
I maintain this position.
hannah claire brimelow
What do you mean?
tim pool
When we're talking about powerful wealthy elites and people who run corporations, if you went to the average CEO and said, which group of people would you rather have?
Rural conservatives or urban liberals?
They'd say rural conservatives hands down.
Unquestionably.
ashley st clair
You think that?
tim pool
I would say it is...
Fairly obvious for a lot of reasons.
The first, think about climate change.
Big problems, but it's all stemming from cities.
Think about all the problems Democrats talk about with overpopulated prisons.
Cities.
Then think about the fact that conservatives don't protest.
ashley st clair
But they don't say that they're killing cows in Ireland.
tim pool
Sure, sure, sure.
It's not absolute, but what I'm saying is, conservatives don't protest.
They live on little farms and mind their own business.
The amount of pollution produced by the average conservative is substantially lower than produced by the average liberal.
So if you look at everything these global elites are talking about, all the problems they're experiencing, it is dense cities, not rural populations.
So I always put it like this.
Alex, if a person came up to you and said, Alex, have you considered aborting your children?
What would you think?
Do you think that person's your friend, or do you think they hate you?
Would you consider sterilizing your kid?
I'm just wondering.
alex stein
Yeah, I would think you're a psycho.
tim pool
That's not a person who likes you.
So when you have these Democrat politicians and people like Bill Gates or whatever being like, I think people should be allowed to remove their children and abortion should be available for all of these people.
I kind of think you hate them and you're trying to have less of them.
You know what I mean?
alex stein
Yeah, but to be fair, did you see that Lindsey Graham where he was talking to Zelensky and how he was so happy about more dead Russians?
tim pool
I think so.
alex stein
I was like, oh, if that means more, I guess they were talking about giving them more weapons.
He said, oh, if that means more dead Russians, good.
So he's, I guess, conservative, but it doesn't matter the right side or the left side.
They don't care about us.
They don't care about their country.
tim pool
This is my point.
This is my point.
The way I describe it is, you've got a chicken coop.
The chickens keep pooping in their water.
You go into the chicken coop and you say, hey, you chickens, you stop pooping in your water.
The next day you come outside, half the chickens are still pooping in the water,
the other half have stopped.
Which chickens do you eat?
alex stein
Yeah, the water pooping ones.
tim pool
The ones that won't listen, that keep polluting and destroying everything.
So when I look at, when you go to West Virginia and you drive around, what do you find?
People have solar panels, people have septic systems, which are very self-regulating in a lot of ways.
You've gotta get them pumped, but if done right, it could be, you might not have to.
So the pollution produced in rural areas dissipates.
In cities, it concentrates.
And then what do you see?
The advocacy for, in blue states, things that stop liberals from having kids.
So it may be they really don't care about us at all, and all they're saying is, let's enact policies that result in less people, but those policies disproportionately reduce liberal populations.
ashley st clair
Yes, but I also see a disdain from the elites for people who are self-sufficient, and they continue to pass legislation that is contrary to people being self-sufficient.
You can't even collect rainwater, for God's sake, in many states.
unidentified
That's true, but there's a lot of reason for that.
But those are in blue cities.
tim pool
You look at red states and they're doing the opposite of that.
ashley st clair
No, even in red states, there's still a lot of restrictions, two-way restrictions that I don't agree with.
I think they have a disdain for a lot of flyover states and the people there.
tim pool
I think they do have a disdain for- We have absolutely one on two-way.
The expansion of constitutional carry is unprecedented.
The expansion of shell issue- In recent years, yeah.
I mean, the past 30 years?
You know, in the 80s, you couldn't get guns.
And it wasn't until 2008, the Supreme Court, I think it was Heller, it was a Heller versus DC, when they were like, actually, it is an individual right to keeping bare arms, you know, outside of your home and stuff like that.
So, we're winning on that.
All that.
In New York, you struggle.
In blue, dense blue areas, life is a struggle.
They're releasing criminals into the cities.
There's an increase in violent crime.
People are getting pushed in front of trains.
You come out to West Virginia, you got no problems.
Crime is down.
It's lower than the national average.
ashley st clair
Haven't seen one crackhead since I've been here from New York.
tim pool
And they do have drug problems in West Virginia.
You know, they do have opiate problems.
But I didn't know this.
I actually thought crime was fairly bad here.
And then we had, I think it was Riley Moore talking about it, I pulled up the stats.
Below average crime in West Virginia.
Statewide in all jurisdictions is below average.
So if you want to live in New York where they're releasing criminals and justifying it, where they're allowing lewd and lascivious performances, advocating for people to terminate their kids or sterilize their kids, those things all result in the destruction of that population.
Meanwhile, in red states, they're doing things that allow the individual to thrive and to flourish.
ashley st clair
You can't even have pizza.
ian crossland
Why is this agenda, is it Agenda 2030? They're trying to create like mega forests. They're
trying to like re-naturalize large segments of earth and not have humans go there. Like no more
human footprints in these big forested areas. They want people away from like the out the
whatever you would call this, the rural areas. And they want to pack people into these mega cities.
I don't know, I'm not speaking for everybody.
tim pool
Yeah, but a 15-minute city is not a megacity.
It's a small pod city.
alex stein
Yeah, where everything's 15 minutes away.
Yeah, where everyone's like- The hospital, your grocery store, everything you would need.
tim pool
A 15-minute city is not going to be 20 million people in one circular city.
It's going to be small pod cities all over the place.
alex stein
But the reason why that's bad too is it's easier to shut down when it's a small city.
tim pool
Well, exactly.
Well, I don't trust these people at all anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
To wrap it all up with a nice little bow, who cares who they like and don't like?
They do bad things.
ian crossland
Dude, rural life is nice.
I'm really starting to love it.
alex stein
Well, you know, it's funny because everybody talks about Texas.
I remember Ian, you were just like, oh, you know, Texas and Joe Rogan, people are moving there.
And the reason why Texas is good is because it's for fat people.
There's like a CVS in every corner.
There's a McDonald's.
And so it's like, yeah, I love the rural life too.
But I kind of like that I can just like go to the Walmart or buy my Tuck friendly bathing suit at Target and my Big Mac.
All within half a mile.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet from the DeSantis War Room.
My personal opinion is slightly negative on this tweet.
I think it is cringe.
I think DeSantis' team is correct.
On the political point of this video, they deserve the credit.
Their criticisms are fair.
But man, you guys ready for this?
They tweeted to wrap up Pride Month.
Let's hear from the politician who did more than any other Republican to celebrate it.
Here we go.
Oh, can you fix the audio?
unidentified
Yeah, try it now.
tim pool
Nope.
Wait, there we go.
unidentified
I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens.
If Caitlyn Jenner were to walk into Trump Tower and want to use the bathroom, you would be fine with her using any bathroom she chooses.
That is correct.
In the future, can transgender women compete in this universe?
alex stein
Yes.
unidentified
Sike!
Man, it's growing on me.
alex stein
I cannot think of anything more horrifying.
unidentified
It really has shut down drag.
Just produced some of the harshest, most draconian laws that literally threaten trans existence.
tim pool
Congratulations, Robby Sanders.
unidentified
Mission accomplished.
You win!
🎵 I can't do it.
tim pool
I- I'm- I'm- Look, look, look.
unidentified
I will do everything!
tim pool
I like the music.
I think the point being made is correct.
I don't, I am not as critical as Trump for, you know, in the past when he held up the LGBT flag and all that stuff.
He is not talking about what we are currently seeing.
He was talking about other things.
There are many people that we are friends of and fans of that previously did align themselves with the traditional LGBT stuff and Trump I believe it was correct to be like, hey, those people are good.
They're going to vote for us.
What we're seeing now is very, very different.
To smear him over that, I think is wrong, but Trump absolutely was not as harsh.
Ron DeSantis is absolutely going after this in the culture war more so than any other leader.
But the American Psycho bit and the Chad meme stuff, it's just, it's, it's too, like, if they took that out and just showed clips of DeSantis, like, pointing to the press and, like, answering questions with news articles, I'd give it an A+.
The weird meme things is too much like, I'm with it!
Ho ho ho, kids!
ashley st clair
I like it.
I have a preference for Trump over DeSantis, but I like this video.
I think it's good.
tim pool
Do you like it?
ashley st clair
It's catchy, yeah.
ian crossland
I like it over the top.
ashley st clair
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
The music works for sure.
ian crossland
They only need to show Brad Pitt's face once.
They showed it twice.
tim pool
And American Psycho.
ashley st clair
Yeah, the second shot of the Psycho.
tim pool
I just, it's like, is he trying to align himself with being a psychopath?
ashley st clair
No, it's very Gen Z. So the Patrick Bateman, the American Psycho memes, those are big on TikTok and on Gen Z. So it's very Gen Z-esque.
tim pool
I guess I'm just not hip.
ian crossland
You're the one that stuck with it.
tim pool
But that's my point.
Rhonda Sanders is older than me.
Why is he trying to... Are the kids going to be like, wow, he's so cool.
unidentified
He's like me.
ashley st clair
But they're not going to vote for him anyways.
Statistically, Gen Z just doesn't turn out.
tim pool
Are you Gen Z?
Yeah.
You're going to vote for him, right?
ashley st clair
No.
tim pool
Would you vote for him if it wasn't Trump?
ashley st clair
No.
unidentified
Really?
ian crossland
Who's your top contenders right now?
ashley st clair
I don't know.
I don't know, to be honest.
I have a preference for Trump at the moment.
ian crossland
What about Vivek?
ashley st clair
I do like Vivek a lot.
ian crossland
And Robert F. Kennedy Jr.?
ashley st clair
RFK I love because he challenges the system, but he's still anti-2A.
But I will support him just because I think he has an important message.
hannah claire brimelow
He still is a Democrat, so if you leave a Republican, you're not going to like him.
ian crossland
This Trump stuff, I didn't know that Trump was all in on the inviting... See, this is the thing.
If someone had asked him, are you okay with letting a trans political movement indoctrinate children into becoming trans and having sex surgeries, he probably would have been like, no.
tim pool
Like, what are you talking about?
Of course, that's crazy.
This is stuff from back in 2015.
He didn't see it coming.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, remember, whenever he debated Palin, Joe Biden was against gay marriage.
Everyone's opinion shifts over time, especially if they're Tuck Friendly?
political cohorts changed their opinion and I think we have to give Trump a lot
of credit when he was talking in 2015 no one knew exactly where it was going some
people could have predicted that we'd be selling gender-affirming bathing suits
to children in Target but not a lot of people. Tuck friendly? Those are for adults
unidentified
it's just gender affirming when it's for children. To what Ian said it's like
alex stein
listen I love the pride flag because now I know if I'm on like a street I know
which are the gay bars.
Oh, that's a gay bar.
So I think, you know, that's good that we should have pride flags.
I'm not, like, against, you know, canceling the pride flag.
But what does a pride flag symbolize?
The only difference between me and a gay person or a straight person and a gay person is their sexual preference.
So this flag basically indicates your sexual preference.
Why does that need to be in a school?
tim pool
Why does that need to be on a flag?
alex stein
Well, I mean, listen, you want to have that on a flag?
Go ahead.
You want to do butt stuff and have a flag for it?
Actually, go ahead.
But why are we going to put it in the kindergarten classroom?
That's where and I think even though they're kind of trolling Trump, I think Trump, like you said, would probably have that same feeling like obviously gay people exist, but I just don't want you grooming my children.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
ashley st clair
I also think just both the Trump and DeSantis teams on social media, especially on Twitter, are really cringe.
It's just getting too much.
alex stein
The internet is so cringe right now with Trump and DeSantis.
tim pool
Dude, I just... Just stop.
Look, if this really worked for Gen Z, I stand corrected.
If the kids on TikTok are watching this video and now they're inspired to vote for DeSantis... They're not going to.
Alright.
ashley st clair
But I like the production value of it.
I think it's good.
tim pool
I don't think it was made by them either.
They're reposting Proud Elephant.
I'm just like...
It's it's getting I don't know, man.
ashley st clair
It's cringe.
It's cringe on both sides.
tim pool
Yeah.
ashley st clair
But I think it's Trump and DeSantis influence.
alex stein
What's what's gonna happen, though, is the Trump influencers and the DeSantis influencers are just gonna kill themselves.
And we're gonna have the same outcome of 2020 probably.
tim pool
They're gonna nuke each other in the primary, then refuse to vote for each other.
ian crossland
That's what we need is the Trump-DeSantis get-along meme, where they grab arms and they're like, together, strong.
ashley st clair
I think they should just fight in the Coliseum.
alex stein
Oh, that would be good.
ashley st clair
Winner gets the nomination.
tim pool
I won't vote for DeSantis.
If he apologizes, has his team apologize and take down that deepfake video, then he's back on my list.
But it's like, at this point, we're over a month out.
I don't know if it's... He probably didn't even approve that.
alex stein
Doesn't matter.
tim pool
How hard would it be for him to be like, right away, I didn't approve of that.
Take it down.
That was wrong.
Sorry about that, guys.
That's all.
Five seconds.
If he put out a video and you and if they just delete here's the thing if they delete the tweet
and then put up a tweet saying we deleted that video because it had deepfakes
Ron was unhappy that it that it was put up without his approval it is no longer you know
ashley st clair
Is your issue with the dishonesty of the deepfake?
tim pool
So for almost a decade the media has been lying about every single thing Trump has ever done
And it's more than lying.
It's one thing when you have these political videos that are like, did you know that, you know, John Smith voted for the Hating Puppies Act?
Or like, you know, Alex Stein voted against the We Love Puppies bill.
Why doesn't he love puppies?
It's like, oh, that bill had nothing to do with puppies.
Like, we get it, it's manipulation.
That's annoying, it's bad, and everybody hates it.
With Trump, it was even worse.
They were editing videos out of context, lying about his quotes, and I spend almost the better part of a decade constantly talking to everybody saying, that's not true, that never happened.
And it is annoying, and I hate having to do it all the time.
And then Ron DeSantis comes out with a video, his team did, where they made deepfake images of Trump hugging and kissing Fauci.
And so now it's just like, all of that stuff I'm angry about, they just decided to one-up it, so I'm pissed.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's bad precedent, too, right?
Like, we're gonna have a Republican candidate attack another Republican candidate by fabricating something.
Like, that would never work for journalism.
Why are we allowing it to stand for social media?
Because otherwise we just open the door for it.
tim pool
I would be a hypocrite if I said, ah, it's no big deal, because I've been complaining about the media lying about Trump non-stop the entire time.
Now, don't get me wrong, people are like, yeah, but Trump lies about DeSantis, and I'm like, and he should not, but he did not create fake images to smear Ron DeSantis.
ashley st clair
Well, he kind of did, and again, I have a preference for Trump, again.
tim pool
What did Trump create?
ashley st clair
He didn't, no, he didn't do an AI, but they were posting photos of the empty DeSantis booth, saying nobody came by all day, but that wasn't the case, and they ended up getting community noted on it.
It's all dishonest, and I think on both sides it's wrong.
tim pool
And I hate all of it, and the Trump camp shouldn't be posting misleading things, but it is substantially worse to have someone go onto a computer and create several different iterations of fake images to trick people into thinking a thing happened that didn't happen.
alex stein
Well, to be fair, and I'm not trying to be contrarian or white knight for DeSantis, I love Donald Trump.
But Donald Trump was If they didn't do that, the video's fine.
I mean, I know those are artistic. I agree with the point.
I know I mean they were kind of made even though they used a
fake artificial Photo they were making a true point, so it's kind of I know
tim pool
I'm just saying that to be contrarian But they didn't do that the videos fine. Yeah, but instead
They do it I say, hey, that's not cool, you should take that down.
And then they attack me for it.
And I'm just like, okay, these people are disingenuous.
Like, how about you prove that you're better than all of the BS we've been dealing with?
Is Trump posting out of context clips or whatever?
Like every other politician always does and we all despise it?
Okay, that's really bad and I'm annoyed by it.
He's as bad as all the rest of them.
Did DeSantis just do worse than all of them?
Great.
All the politicians are at baseline lying pieces of trash and DeSantis is one degree below them.
That's where I'm at.
So, you know, all they got to do is delete the tweet and be like, we shouldn't have done that.
And I'll say, OK, OK, guys, because I got to look this video.
They're right.
Ron DeSantis has has really done a lot as it pertains to the culture war and in protecting kids and and putting up barriers to protect the cultural values and the moral values that we do have.
And that's a winning position.
That's fantastic.
It's better than Trump.
He's got a lot to go after Trump on in terms of the primary.
But they're certainly not doing themselves any favor with this current press team.
They seem to be just digging a hole for him.
alex stein
No, and he's a young man.
I don't know why he's making this push now.
I think he, I guess maybe he sees blood in the water.
Maybe like a shark right now.
I think he sees Trump as vulnerable.
tim pool
You see Candace Owens tweeted that he's done?
ian crossland
Who, DeSantis?
tim pool
Yeah, I saw that.
Candace Owens said that he's done.
Let me pull that tweet up.
alex stein
Yeah, but I don't think they're going to stop trying to investigate Trump.
I mean, I don't think they're not.
I mean, it's never going to stop.
They're going to find something.
I mean, it's just it's going to never any cavalcade of charges to try to stop him from running.
I think it's going to win.
I think that there will be a time.
And I know Trump says he'll fight till the end or whatever, but I think there'll be a time where they'll say, hey, I mean, this is just pure speculation where maybe he does get in trouble for a crime.
And I think they're kind of laying the groundwork for Biden to get in trouble for a similar crime.
And then maybe they both get pardoned.
tim pool
So Candace Owens tweeted, sorry to say, sorry to the say, sorry to the say it, but the DeSantis campaign was dead on arrival and it's time to admit it.
Tons of mistakes.
Needed to be more upfront about his intention to run.
Doesn't come across as honest and he's boring.
You can say it shouldn't matter, but it does.
He also needed someone more like Kaylee McEnany rather than Patty Christina Pasha running comms.
The influencers that are still cheerleading for him are those that recently moved to his state and want to reap the benefits for standing firm beside him through his inevitable loss.
I'm not knocking the influencer hustle, just calling it as I see it.
They know he can't win either.
Also, their weird takeover of their community notes gives people a fact-checker vibe.
Sometimes the notes they add don't actually debunk anything, getting very Snopes-like.
Jenna Alice says, Candace probably consulted President Jeb for this spot on take.
Candace says, When you authored this tweet, did you think it was funny, clever, interesting?
Generally interested in your thought process on this.
Honestly, chat GPT could have come up with something better.
Highlighting that one just because, like, Is this it?
Consulting with Jeb to criticize the DeSantis campaign?
His polls are tanking.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm just tired of the infighting.
Like, I just, I don't understand why this is the conversation we're having.
I think it's a legitimate conversation to have should we allow or permit faked images to be used in any sort of campaign setting.
I think that's a good question for journalism, for integrity, but generally, like, I am tired of Republicans fight each other.
Like, just come up with something interesting to say about policy.
That's actually all I need right now.
I don't care if your staffs hate each other.
I don't care about any of that.
Because what I want is someone, the person who is leading policy conversation for me right now is RFK Jr.
And he's a Democrat.
So what are the Republicans doing?
ashley st clair
It's a waste of energy.
tim pool
He's gone in worse stances.
hannah claire brimelow
Sure, but he's a Democrat.
He's not going to have the same chance.
ashley st clair
Alex and I both had to preface.
We're like, I swear, we love Trump.
But, you know, because it's terrifying.
They become very culty, especially on the influencer side and online.
They're a little rabid.
tim pool
I have no worries about Trump supporters.
The DeSantis people are ravenous.
ashley st clair
I think they both are.
I've gotten it from both sides because I get accused of being paid by both of them.
I think they're both pretty, pretty vile.
tim pool
Certainly, Trump has his pitbulls that are, you know, yelling.
But, like, When I, when, when, like, I don't know how to describe it.
We've been doing this for a long time.
I've been critical of Trump on a lot of things.
People got really mad at me when I said that he lost in 2020.
And they were like, you're crazy.
And then sure enough, Trump was never inaugurated.
Like they're like, it'll, in March, it'll come.
But it is nowhere near as bad.
Like having, having people be like, yeah, Tim's an idiot, but it's okay.
Because I say these things versus the DeSantis people.
Like, yo, I put out a tweet about Trump doing something wrong and I'll get Trump supporters being like, yeah, I hear you.
I put out a tweet about DeSantis and I get a hundred tweets instantly of people insulting me.
And I'm just like, dude, all you're doing is making it worse for DeSantis.
Maybe that's their intention.
They're just trying to hurt him.
alex stein
This is why I don't think the fighting will ever stop because, I mean, politics is just Hollywood for ugly people.
So they're going to continue to create a way to fight with each other to get more clout or get more clicks.
I mean, that's why they always put in these fake bills that are never going to get passed.
So I think that's like, to be honest, DeSantis probably loves this now, this fighting.
I mean, I'm just once again speculating that, because now we just talk about him.
Now Ron DeSantis is on the same level as Trump, so it kind of helps to start... But he's not.
tim pool
That's the point we're making is his polls have been cut in half.
alex stein
Well, yeah, I know, but I'm just saying he has the cachet that he's a threat to Trump.
Trump does seem a little threatened.
tim pool
Here's what I think.
I think Ron could be the frontrunner right now if he had a good press team.
Despite the fact that he was hemming and hawing about whether he was going to run, his policy says enough.
Like, what he's done in Florida, he is probably the best politician in terms of leadership that we have in this country.
And then his press team comes out and just keeps setting fires over and over again.
And for whatever reason, they aren't fixing it and they think it's good.
I don't get it.
ashley st clair
I would agree with that.
alex stein
Well, Veep, the show Veep on HBO, that's like a documentary.
Like really, I'm telling you, the people that are working in these staffs, even the high people that I meet with, you know, that run Marjories or any politician, these people aren't that exceptional, Tim.
They're all just like normal people.
I mean, I'm not, I'm just being honest.
So they're just trying to figure it out.
This is probably Christina's first presidential campaign.
So they don't have any idea what the hell they're doing.
tim pool
I mean, I don't think someone like, I don't think Michael Malice would take a job doing something like that with them.
He would with the Libertarian Party or whatever, but they need a Michael Malice.
alex stein
Yeah, Michael would be good for them, yeah.
tim pool
Like, I don't think he would work with the Santas, maybe if the price is right, whatever.
I don't, you know, Michael being an anarchist, he might ideologically say, I'm not interested.
But for the Libertarian Party, that was the thing, that he was gonna be the press secretary.
Someone like Michael Malice is so culturally, historically, and press savvy, If the DeSantis campaign were to hire someone of his caliber right when they started, he'd be the frontrunner.
No question.
ashley st clair
Yes.
alex stein
And he's snarky.
He's good.
I mean, Mal should be a great mouthpiece.
ashley st clair
And he's a good person.
Right.
He's a really good person.
ian crossland
Apparently a great actor, too.
He just did an episode of Normal World.
alex stein
Oh yeah, I saw that clip.
Yes, we were on that.
Everybody check it out.
Actually, do not check out Normal World.
Go to Primetime with Alex Titan right now.
Do not subscribe to any other Blaze show.
Do not mention any other shows while I'm on TimCast.
Do not mention.
ian crossland
Get your super chats in.
alex stein
Get your super chats in.
ian crossland
Tim, would you consider ever getting into politics at this stage?
No.
tim pool
Do you have any idea how much power I would have to give up?
That's a Lex Luthor quote.
ian crossland
I'm the same way.
We go down to Congress, we do these shows, and I can feel the invite.
They would be happy to have newscasters come and support the campaigns.
I don't want it.
I don't want that.
I don't want to go take the title.
I don't need the title to change the world.
ashley st clair
It's also very disheartening getting involved in politics on the campaign level because you realize that a lot of these people are just kind of circle jerking each other and that's why nothing gets done.
tim pool
And by that you mean it's a circle of jerks who are patting each other on the back.
ian crossland
Changing directional momentum.
tim pool
It's just a bunch of guys all patting each other on the back.
ian crossland
You mean it's like a fraternity?
Because it kind of felt like college when I was at Congress.
tim pool
Yeah, isn't it funny?
Seriously, when you're walking through the halls of Congress, it's like college dormy.
alex stein
Yeah, no really it's like you walk through Longfellow Hall and those halls are it's very weird though because I actually did an official tour and I don't know if I said this last time but as soon as you go on the official Capitol tour they bring you in for like this 20 minute video that gives you the history and like within the first minute it's like these are hallowed grounds that was built on the backs of slaves like Like, literally, immediately they make you feel so guilty.
But then, after I watch that video, then I'm walking around everywhere in D.C.
for the rest of my trip, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is Built by a Slave.
This is Built by a Slave.
It is, it has this kind of creepy, old college, weird feel.
tim pool
The funny thing about, what was it, like, what building were you mentioning?
alex stein
Longfellow.
unidentified
Longfellow.
alex stein
Yeah, I think it's Longfellow.
tim pool
There's like a little market where you go in and you can grab stuff and then, like, scan a card or whatever to pay for it.
There's like a Subway and a Baskin-Robbins.
Walking around and then it's like the rival team is across the hall and they're like, that's where AOC is.
And I'm just like, this is so childish.
alex stein
Well, the George Santos, I remember going there and there was literally people camping out.
CNN, when he first got in there.
Camping out in those hallways and just the vibes in there.
It's just very weird.
ashley st clair
I love him.
alex stein
I love George Santos.
I like Vish.
ashley st clair
I stan George Santos.
ian crossland
What's George Santos all about?
ashley st clair
He's like our Anna Delvey.
alex stein
I think he's just kind of like... I love him!
tim pool
Didn't he say something like, I didn't say I was Jewish, I said I was Jew-ish.
alex stein
I'm kind of Jewish, I kind of vibe with that too, but no, you know, there's this weird thing now where the conservative movement is the counterculture, so George Santos being like an openly gay man that is like, you know, he's worn drag, but he's like, did he really though?
tim pool
He denied it, didn't he?
alex stein
Well, who cares?
Who cares?
I've worn a dress, whatever.
But my point is, it's like, he's the counterculture because he's like the gay guy that's not for the gay agenda.
So that's like, I think that's why he's successful or fits in because he's like that.
hannah claire brimelow
He did a review of the White House Correspondence Center fashion on Twitter.
It was funny.
It was fresh, like apparently he's interested in it.
And it's like something that conservatives sometimes need because they have this reputation for being too buttoned up.
ashley st clair
His tweets are great, too, but if you're gonna slam George Santos for being a liar, why don't you get the rest of them in Congress?
alex stein
Yeah, they all lie, yeah.
tim pool
I wanna jump to this story here, because we'll talk about cultural stuff.
This one is... it's terrifying and funny at the same time.
The Postmillennial.
Pornhub pulls out of Virginia over age verification law.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
What?
Wait, wait, what?
Are you... hold on there a minute.
They blocked users in Virginia from accessing the site in reaction to the state's new age verification law.
According to 8News, the new law, which takes effect July 1st, would require porn websites to verify users in the state are at least 18 before they can access adult content.
So instead of verifying age, they were just like, then you don't get any porn.
hannah claire brimelow
They did the same thing in Utah in early May.
tim pool
They are so desperate to show children adult images, they boycott the state when they can't?
alex stein
Well, I don't think that's it.
I just, because they don't want to deal with any of the legal ramifications and having to certify all these people, because then now they're liable if they show kids porn.
So I just think that's why they do it, because the law is even.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So what you're saying is Pornhub has no problem operating in the state if it means children can access their content.
alex stein
Well, yeah, I mean, they want kids to access it, but they don't want to have to risk the legality.
tim pool
It's too much work for Pornhub to have to make sure kids aren't using their services.
unidentified
That's fair.
alex stein
Yeah, I agree with that statement.
Yes, it's too much.
It's not cost beneficial for them.
hannah claire brimelow
In May, when they blocked Utah, because Utah made the same, you have to be able to show your driver's license or verify ID.
They're like, this is crazy.
Having to show your ID every time you come to Pornhub, it's just not going to protect children.
Like that was their actual complaint.
They said that this is a ridiculous way to handle it.
tim pool
So like strip clubs that don't check IDs?
alex stein
Yeah, but Tim, we're joking about this, but the United Nations came out and saying they want to get rid of age of consent laws.
So it's like they really do want to show kids adult content.
And then when we talk about porn up, like, you know, they say it's so crazy for a kid under 18 to look at porn, which I agree with, but like a 14 year old can get a mastectomy.
I mean, it's just, it's so weird.
18 year old, you know, 17 year old can't get a tattoo, but they can get gender reassignment surgery.
tim pool
They're chanting that they're coming for our children.
alex stein
Yes.
tim pool
And then when people are like, hey, did you hear what they said?
They're like, no, no, they didn't say it.
They didn't say it, but you know, they do say it all the time.
hannah claire brimelow
We say it every year.
alex stein
It's our chant we always say.
ashley st clair
It was just a joke.
tim pool
No, we say it all the time, but this one time we actually didn't say it.
We just say it all the time.
hannah claire brimelow
Another weird twist in the Pornhub thing is that Louisiana also has an age verification law, but Pornhub never blocked them and did comply.
tim pool
Really?
ashley st clair
Did they?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
And I don't know why that is.
They just said, okay, Louisiana.
alex stein
It's because they're so backwards, they wouldn't be able to prosecute it or something.
Louisiana, I went to LSU, it is the wildest place.
Have you guys been any time in Louisiana?
Because it was the last state to change its drinking age laws from 18 to 21, they were like the last state to get federal funding for the roads.
So the roads and highways suck in New Orleans.
hannah claire brimelow
We're holding out, though.
alex stein
Yeah, see, that's Louisiana.
It's like this thing, it's called Lag Nappy.
It's like a little extra.
They have this very nice kind of party atmosphere, but because of that, the city's run like trash, you know?
The whole state's just not run very well.
tim pool
It's crazy to me.
We talked about this this past week.
There are tons of things you can't do in public that you can do online in public, which makes no sense.
There are tons of things we wouldn't allow someone to do at a brick-and-mortar establishment we allow them to do online, which makes no sense.
I think it's because... You can't walk into an adult bookstore, you get your ID checked.
You can't walk into a sex app, you get your ID checked.
Online, you can.
No ID check.
That's insane to me.
It should be that every porn website, or adult website, requires registration and verification before you can use it.
Sorry, that's just the way it works.
ashley st clair
Well, there's an interesting discussion going on about Twitter in that regard, too, because you can create a Twitter account at 13, but they also allow porn on Twitter.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
I think Twitter... So here's the technicality.
It's not so much Twitter's business.
If you go out into Times Square with a big photograph of porn, you'll get arrested.
So if you post porn on Twitter, where children can see it... It's illegal.
It should be the same crime.
I don't understand the argument for, yes, I understand you can't play videos of porn out in the public, but I should be able to play it in the public on Twitter where children can see it.
No, no, no, none of that.
None of that.
ashley st clair
What do you think the remedy for that is?
tim pool
Police enforcing the law?
ashley st clair
Well, how would they enforce that?
tim pool
They would see an account post the illegal content, then subpoena the company and say, under this law it's illegal, and a judge orders you to hand over the data of the individual.
Then they would go get a warrant.
They would go to the house and investigate, like any other criminal case.
Let me ask you a question.
A guy wearing a ski mask is handing out porn mags to people in Times Square.
How do they stop that?
ashley st clair
They go there and arrest him.
It's rampant on Twitter though.
There's a lot of replies.
tim pool
Hold on. Shoplifting is rampant in San Francisco because we're letting it be.
Just because we never enforce the law doesn't mean we just don't do it anymore.
We have to be like, yo, we gotta stop it.
ashley st clair
We need more resources for cyber crimes though.
hannah claire brimelow
I was gonna say, do you think we need to expand cybercrime resources?
Because what you're saying with shoplifting, you send a police officer in person.
Like, do we have a gap in law enforcement where they are not trained to... It's not that.
tim pool
Because many of these people post their own videos to the public under their own names.
It's that law enforcement and government can't keep up with technology.
hannah claire brimelow
So, like, they don't have a big enough presence on Twitter to catch these things?
tim pool
No, it's that if you go to a cop and say, uh, if you go to a police officer, a police station right now, and say, there's a guy who lives a block away from here who is posting, he was showing pornographic images in public and children could see it, that cop's gonna go, whoa, okay, let's write this on, where was it?
It was on Twitter.
He'll go, oh, I don't care about that.
Yeah, but what's the difference?
ashley st clair
Well, and I told you this before, Tim, but they I had a serious stalker who was talking me through Twitter, YouTube, harassing me.
No, he was not.
He wasn't funny.
It was a pretty serious stalker.
And the FBI ended up getting involved.
And I had an agent from the Cyber Crimes Unit who called me and he said, Have you tried calling Twitter and YouTube?
And I said, With all due respect, sir, if you think I could call Twitter or YouTube, You should not be working in cyber crimes.
And this was a federal agent.
FBI agent who said that.
tim pool
You can't take a big poster of two adults having sex and put it in your front window for everyone in the world to walk past and see.
You can't do that.
Yeah, but Tim, my- If you want to legalize it, by all means, go to legislature and have them all vote to make that legal.
alex stein
Yeah, but my buddy Cassidy Campbell and another guy, Alex Rosen, they do these predator poaching videos, Tim, and I'm sure you've seen those, where they'll go- in some cities the cops do get involved, but they'll show cops A whole cache of these are text messages.
This guy thinks he's messaging a 13-year-old kid and the cops, they have the evidence.
They'll say, oh, we can't touch it.
So I think it comes down to... Yeah, back to blue, baby.
Yeah, I know.
It comes down to, you know, are they actually going to follow through?
tim pool
They'll give you a ticket for having a busted headlight that you didn't know about.
You're a day past your plate registration.
You'll get a ticket.
You'll be speeding.
You'll be under the limit, but they'll pull you over and give you a speeding ticket anyway.
These stories are rampant.
Everybody has some ridiculous story.
I knew a dude Yeah, because he didn't stop long enough.
right red light and they mailed him a a a blowing a red light ticket. Yeah, cuz he didn't
stop long enough. No, he did. Oh, they said that they thought he ran the light outright.
Yeah, they don't care when it comes to petty crime. They'll enforce it with a hammer when
it comes to COVID restrictions. They will lock you up hair salon owner right to jail.
You own a cafe in Minnesota and you open up for a couple days?
They hunted her down in Iowa to make sure, and this is the sheriff, to make sure she suffered.
Attila's gym?
You want to open your gym so people can exercise?
Because you disagree with the edict issued by the governor?
The cops will show up with smiles on their faces and arrest you.
But heaven forbid any one of these cops, when they're standing outside of a club that is doing a sex show that they've invited children to, the cops in Texas said, sorry, we won't do anything about that.
ian crossland
I think it's the difference of putting up, like, porn in a front window facing out onto the street and putting it on Twitter is that on Twitter it's parentally supervised.
Like, you're what?
A kid can't get internet without buying a router or buying a phone.
tim pool
That's not true at all.
alex stein
To kind of agree with what Ian's saying, though, there is a difference between posting a picture and then sending that posted picture directly to somebody, if that makes sense.
tim pool
I'm not talking about that.
I'm saying if you post a tweet of porn, as many people do, I view that the exact same as taking a big sign with a porn picture and sticking it in the ground outside.
Anyone can see it.
A kid in a school library.
Well, then it's the school should be, you know... An argument over resources and an argument for public access.
Oh, yeah, it is.
No, it isn't.
No, it's not.
ian crossland
What?
If it costs a hundred bucks to get into something, then it's not public.
tim pool
Okay, a kid who doesn't have bus fare is not the issue.
If you post it in public, you are granting access to public.
That's the issue.
Just because some kids can't get on Twitter doesn't mean it's not public.
It is public.
ian crossland
That's the argument.
tim pool
It's not.
ian crossland
I don't know if it legally you would consider internet public.
It is.
ashley st clair
It is.
tim pool
It's literally and legally considered public.
It is legally public.
ian crossland
It's like a quasi for sure.
tim pool
They've already ruled in court.
ian crossland
If it's public then how come a guy can shut it down?
You can't shut down a public park.
You need the government to do that.
unidentified
But Elon can shut down Twitter.
tim pool
Slow down there, Ian.
First, there's things called privately owned public spaces, where in New York, for instance, that's what Occupy Wall Street was all about.
And Chase Plaza and Deutsche Bank.
Privately owned, but public.
And so there were certain restrictions on what they could and couldn't do.
And so, once it got to a certain point of the protest, they couldn't shut it down.
Chase was smart and shut down their plaza instantly before any of that could happen.
Twitter is privately owned, but it's already been ruled a public space, hence politicians.
When they tweet, they create public forums.
They cannot block people.
Courts have already stated that.
alex stein
Now I think this... I'm suing AOC.
tim pool
Right, over this.
Because she blocked you and it's a public space, she doesn't have a right to do it.
It is in public, period.
It's not up for debate.
The courts have already said it.
So the issue is, law enforcement knows that adults are publishing images in public that children can get access to, but for some reason, they don't care.
They won't go anywhere near it.
Our society is in decay.
Go back 30 years and watch what happens if a guy would print out a big poster with people having sex on it and stand in the town center waving it at people.
Bad things would happen to that guy.
And he would get arrested.
ian crossland
Data proliferation.
We haven't been able to keep up.
You can make a hundred million copies of something now, but we don't have a hundred million copies of the cop.
We only have one cop.
So you need AI.
I think we need artificial intelligence to police social media.
I mean, you give me a better option.
No, I'd love to hear a better one.
hannah claire brimelow
That's terrible at distinguishing things, right?
unidentified
Didn't we talk about this earlier?
ian crossland
It's better than no people.
Like zero people is even worse than AI.
tim pool
The issue is not that we need a better system for it.
The issue is quite simply the culture.
unidentified
Police will see it and go, meh.
ian crossland
How do you find out who did it, even?
Because a lot of the accounts are fake, or... So how about this?
If you sue Twitter, then you destroy Twitter.
tim pool
How about this?
In all instances where an individual under their given name and photograph publish it, then the investigation is quite minimal.
You then go knock on their door and say, Mr. Smith, did you publish this image to your Twitter account?
You did?
Place your hands behind your back, you are under arrest for posting lewd images in public.
Did you know that in many states, if you have a gun, and that gun is in a position where a child could get access to it, that is a felony?
alex stein
Yeah.
tim pool
So like, if it's in your room, locked in the closet, oh, hold on there a minute, it's gotta be in a safe.
They have these child protection laws.
West Virginia, we already talked about it.
Open lewdness is illegal.
ian crossland
What about retweeting porn?
Should those people also be arrested?
tim pool
That's an interesting question that we'll be up for.
alex stein
That is kind of a gray area.
tim pool
Well, that requires precedent and that's a normal process in the United States law.
A police officer will say, you published this image to your 10,000 followers.
They'll say, no, I retweeted something that was already public.
Then the argument becomes a guy was handing out pictures of porn in public, handed you
one and you held it up in the air for everyone to see, you are now in trouble.
ian crossland
With like, when data is leaked, like government leaks and things, and then people retweet
the data, like, are they committing the same felony that the person...
alex stein
That's a whistleblower.
ian crossland
Because they're basically holding up the illegal.
tim pool
No.
It's not illegal to share it, it's illegal to steal it.
So when it comes to like the Pentagon Papers, the question is, was it illegally obtained?
Well, there's whistleblower protections.
The news media committed no crime by publishing that information.
alex stein
Tim, I want to make a point about the culture though.
And it's like, this is a more simple analogy, not just the fact that everybody's trying
to basically give kids gender reassignment surgery and make everybody get an abortion.
But just look at the change of our architecture from the 60s and 70s.
tim pool
Brutalism.
alex stein
I mean, it's this weird postmodern era of just crap.
Like, even the newest baseball stadium in Texas, we had the ballpark in Arlington built in, like, 99.
It's just beautiful, grandiose, epic ballpark.
The newest one they built, I forget, it's called Globe Life, or I forget what it's even called.
And it looks like a Costco.
I'm just saying, in the past 20 years, we've gone down when it comes to architecture.
tim pool
Just imagine... Brutalism.
Everything's a white box.
alex stein
And that's crap.
That's terrible for society.
tim pool
There's no art.
But you know what it is?
I was talking to Seamus about it.
He was saying that before the internet and print, this was the art medium.
To see the great works was the buildings we would produce.
Then, as we move into newspaper and radio, art and creativity moved into those spaces, buildings started becoming less and less relevant in the discussion.
ashley st clair
I think that's part of it.
I think it's also there's a lot of planned obsolescence that goes into that.
alex stein
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like to make everyone feel like there's no regional significance, right?
Like if you're in New York City, you can tell by the buildings and they're supposed to be different than the buildings that are in San Francisco, which are supposed to be different than the buildings that you might find in like A major city in Montana.
Whereas now you get major corporations that put up the same blank building everywhere so there's no sense of identity and therefore you can't cultivate any sort of regional pride.
alex stein
And it's like when people build new houses, there's always problems, but houses built in like the 70s and 60s just last a test of time, it seems like.
So, there's something, there's like a degradation of the carpenters.
Like, look at this, the gargoyles and stuff outside of these buildings in New York City, they can't even repair them.
We don't even have the same people, the stonemasons that can even do that.
hannah claire brimelow
Plastering, which used to be like the big thing, there are very few true plastering crews left.
tim pool
On the issue of porn, let me give you guys a very simple scenario.
If you want to post it to your Twitter account, your account has to be age verification locked.
That's it.
So, you will make a post, and if you publish it to people, now you're in trouble.
If, like, open to the public for children.
If you want to do adult content to make it safe and legal, you put an age restriction filter on it, and then if a kid comes across it, they can't access it.
And the only people who can are those who verify their accounts on Twitter.
I'll give you a real-world example.
You walk into a 7-Eleven back when I was a kid, and there were some magazines.
But those magazines were in black plastic.
You could not see the magazine, you could see the top, that it would say the name Hustler Playboy, but you'd like, oh man, you couldn't see it.
And kids weren't able to buy it, they'd be like, I can't sell you that.
So you couldn't actually open it up, it was wrapped, you couldn't see, you could only see it was a product.
So it was in public, but not displaying anything for kids to see.
ian crossland
What about if someone's sitting on a park bench with a Playboy, reading it, and there's a kid like 500, 100 feet away walking by?
tim pool
Yeah, typically then a cop will be like, hey buddy, Come on, there are kids around here.
Put that away.
ian crossland
But if the kid walks up behind the guy and looks at the magazine over his shoulder, then typically someone will say, hey, buddy, put that thing away.
And ultimately, the kid would be the one that made the mistake.
tim pool
Now you're talking about simple judicial discretion.
ian crossland
I guess the question is, is it illegal to have a Playboy open in a public park?
tim pool
The question of legality is the interpretation of the judge.
A cop could say disorderly conduct for anything you do.
You can fart in public and a cop can be like, that's disorderly, you're under arrest.
And tell it to a judge.
The judge will then determine whether or not you actually violated that statute.
alex stein
I know.
I got a felony for farting in public.
ian crossland
It was a gross fart.
alex stein
It was really bad.
A lot of poop in that fart.
ian crossland
Oh, one of those.
alex stein
Yeah, it was a really bad situation.
ian crossland
Like a horizontal fart?
alex stein
Yeah, I went to jail for a long time.
ian crossland
I just got out.
A loud burst.
alex stein
No, but I don't know.
tim pool
I just got out.
alex stein
When it comes to the porn stuff on the internet, I think that's kind of the The most cancerous thing of the reason why kids are so sexualized and I think that's why we have a lot of this and depressed Well, not just a depression but this sexual confusion because you look at like a trans person You might be attracted to boobs and then you see a penis because they go to a drag queen story time at a young age So I'm just saying we're over sexualizing our children and that's having just it's having an effect that we can't
You know, quantify or whatever.
We can't figure out what the hell that's going to equal because we don't have any past generations that were exposed to all this pornography.
tim pool
We kind of do.
It's creating sexual dysfunction.
We're seeing that erectile dysfunction is skyrocketing among young men.
alex stein
And testosterone's way down.
tim pool
That could be plastics.
I think that's probably our diet and stuff like that.
But kids, human beings were never meant to be exposed to this level of information.
Period.
That, okay.
But I understand information access is a thing that we're going to have to learn to adapt with.
Children being able to get instant access to porn on Twitter?
That's a problem.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ian crossland
That was an oversight of the 2000s.
2000 that people didn't realize when the internet arrived that they should be protecting kids brains from it.
ashley st clair
Well, Ted Bundy said they should.
Ted Bundy said if you don't want your kids to end up like me, keep them away from porn.
tim pool
I think the way Twitter should work is, the moment your account posts porn available to the public, you get an instant age verification.
ian crossland
That's why I'm talking about AI.
That you would use AI for something like that.
But it could fail.
But I think you could use AI to do that, because if a person's like, oops, I forgot, you don't want to throw them in prison for that, necessarily.
hannah claire brimelow
I forgot what?
ian crossland
I forgot to post 18 age verification on that on mine and you're like whoops I accidentally threw a playboy in front of a bunch of kids like what?
hannah claire brimelow
That's when you bring up like wanting to read a pornographic magazine in a park for me it's like but why do you want to if you're going to park we're presumably our children whoever like why?
unidentified
Why are you doing that?
tim pool
But the point I was making earlier is There is a reasonableness to enforcing the law that is upon the discretion of the officer.
It is unreasonable in my opinion that officers do not arrest the people who are engaging in these crimes.
Completely unreasonable.
It is unreasonable in my opinion, so...
If you get pulled over, and it's an honest mistake, and you weren't speeding that much, the reasonable thing to do is a warning, and cops do that a lot.
That's police discretion, and many officers do a good job.
I have had some negative encounters with police officers, as most people have, where one time I was not speeding, I got a ticket, cop told me to basically screw myself, and that got my license suspended.
That bothers me.
It bothers me that that kind of thing can exist.
Where a cop can screw your life up through no fault of your own, but we can't get him to arrest people who are exposing children to adult sex shows?
Like, that's ma- Like, I recognize- Pencils have erasers.
Bad cops exist and these things happen.
It's water under the bridge.
I'm like, okay, you know, these are things that are part of the system.
But why then do we struggle to stop this?
ian crossland
Because they are focused primarily on immediate public safety.
So like driving is a big part of it.
They don't want a car to hit a human and the human die.
Like the kids getting sexualized doesn't have like an immediate I just think our culture is shattered.
I think that it's the internet has ripped it to shreds.
There's no more unified sense of morality.
doesn't really have like a thing to stop right away. I mean, when you think about it, you realize
what's happening, then you can start to make the argument that we need to do some preventative
measures. But they're more interested in just like stopping violence. I just think our culture
tim pool
is shattered. I think that it's the internet has ripped it to shreds. There's no more unified
sense of morality. And now among cops, for the most part, they're just like, I want to keep my
head down and stay out of it. So in Texas, famously, you had a drag show with kids, and there
and there were sexualized things going on in there and the cops were like, I ain't doing
anything about this.
And it's just like, yo, we can just Google the law and show you it's illegal.
And the cop's like, don't look at me.
I'm not getting involved.
That's insane.
alex stein
Yeah, because cops are just going to follow orders from whoever is telling them the order, you know, whether it's like the chief or, you know, go down different levels.
So these cops aren't going to go out of their way to actually do any vigilante justice or stand up for what's right.
They're just going to literally follow procedure.
tim pool
I'll tell you what will happen.
Check out this story from the Postmillennial.
Michigan House makes using wrong pronouns a felony.
The bill makes it a felony for someone to make an individual, quote, feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened, and is punishable by up to five years in prison and $10,000 fine.
They write, on Tuesday, Michigan State House passed a bill making it a felony.
HB 4474 is designed to replace Michigan's Ethnic Intimidation Act to expand categories of protected classes to include identity, gender identity, expression, and sexual orientation, and it passed 59 to 50.
It is not yet law, but I guarantee you.
Guarantee!
We will see.
If this passes, I'm not so sure that it will, but maybe, I mean, it's Michigan, you got, you know, I think Whitmer's still there, right?
You will see people arrested for this.
And you know why I have absolute confidence in saying that?
Because Jordan Peterson warned us, how many was it, seven or eight years ago, and then, in Canada, we have seen several instances where people have been criminally charged for using wrong pronouns.
ian crossland
I imagine this violates some sort of free First Amendment issue.
Like you can't tell me what I can and can't say to you.
That's my right to say whatever I want.
There might be, you know, I'm not saying that the person is not going to throw a punch if I if I anger them, and then they'll go to jail or whatever.
But that's like the essence of this nation.
hannah claire brimelow
The Supreme Court ruled on 303 Creative, this Christian web designer who said, under Colorado's anti-discrimination laws, I feel as though I would be compelled to make wedding websites for same-sex couples if they approach me about it, and I don't think that's fair.
And one of the things that came up in the decision today was, the justices wrote, Colorado, under the interpretation of the law Colorado currently has, they would compel this woman into speech that she doesn't agree with.
And so it's kind of similar to what you're saying.
I wonder if in some way there is already legal precedent that, you know, this is Michigan, so they can't necessarily take Colorado law, but if we have federal law that says you can't compel speech, like, at what point do you prioritize the First Amendment?
Maybe they would invalidate it.
tim pool
What they're saying with this is that if you, it's like, I'm pretty sure the bill is specifically about in the act of committing a crime, if you do this thing.
It's a, it's a, it's a, what do they call it?
ian crossland
Like a hate crime thing?
tim pool
It's a hate crime thing, but it's, um, it's, uh, I forgot what it's called.
In law, when they add on to the crime because of a thing you did.
I forgot what, I'm, I'm, I can't think of it right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Like a secondary offense, I think is what they call it.
Like you can't get pulled over for something, but once you get pulled over, they can charge you.
ashley st clair
I mean, it's bad.
It's a bad precedent, but I think it was Nuance Bro who was talking.
He was like, it's, it's kind of comparable to the lynching.
It's like, well, lynching's already illegal.
It's already illegal to harass people.
It's already illegal to do these things in this bill.
tim pool
To make someone feel terrorized.
ian crossland
That's not up to me.
The way you feel is the way you choose to feel.
My words are not making you feel anything.
I'm making noise and then you are interpreting that and making yourself feel a certain way.
tim pool
We will see someone arrested for this.
alex stein
Yeah, me.
I'm probably gonna get arrested for this.
I'm gonna yell at, you know, Governor Whitmer and call her a boy and go to jail.
hannah claire brimelow
Can't go to Michigan anymore?
tim pool
No.
alex stein
Can you get arrested?
tim pool
They'll say that you are a right-wing terrorist and all that stuff.
ashley st clair
Can you get arrested for it, or is it just an additional charge that you would get, or it makes the charge more severe if you're also misgendering them?
tim pool
I think this in and of itself is a hate crime, to make someone feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened.
hannah claire brimelow
By misgendering them.
tim pool
Well, in any way.
Literally, I don't think it specifies.
ian crossland
To make someone feel afraid, is that what it says?
tim pool
Intimidate means willful course of conduct involving repeated or continuing harassment of another individual that would cause a reasonable individual to feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened, and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened.
Intimidate does not include constitutionally protected activity or conduct that serves a legitimate purpose.
ian crossland
Well, constitutional protected activity is calling a man a woman.
That's right.
hannah claire brimelow
But apparently not.
ian crossland
No, it is.
tim pool
You would think.
So that will be up for the courts, but we are marching in that direction.
So look, Jordan Peterson, this was his big thing.
Was it Bill C-16 or whatever it was back in the day?
He was like, what's the next thing?
He's like, people go to jail for this.
They all mocked him and they said, you're lying.
They were like, Dr. Peterson, the penalty is a fine.
And then he goes, and what happens if you don't pay the fine?
And then everyone's like, uh, you go to jail.
And he's like, oh, so what did I say that was wrong?
And then, sure enough, we've seen it.
There was, like, one guy who wouldn't call his daughter male pronouns, so they arrested him or something like that.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Up in Canada.
alex stein
Oh, I didn't see that.
tim pool
Let me see if I can find that.
unidentified
We had a member one night that was afraid to say anything bad about Trudeau because he was a Canadian.
And he's like, I can't, like, you guys can make the jokes, but I won't make any jokes here on your after show.
alex stein
Danny Polishuk doesn't even make that many Trudeau jokes, and he's crazy.
tim pool
2021, father arrested for discussing child's gender transition in defiance of court order.
I mean... You know, teenager was born female and he was kept referring to her with the... Look at this, look at the New York Post wrote.
Referring to his teen daughter, referring to him with the pronouns she and her.
Born female.
Okay, New York Post.
He was found in contempt of court and arrested Tuesday for calling the teen his daughter and publicly referring to him with the pronouns she and her.
The teenager was born as a female.
ashley st clair
And that's in Canada?
unidentified
Yep.
ashley st clair
That's already happening here, though, in California.
They want it to be child abuse if you don't affirm your child's perceived gender.
alex stein
Exactly, I'm telling you, it is coming.
Everybody got really mad at Target for the tuck-friendly bathing suit, but then when you really looked at it, their marketing of VP was giving $2.1 million to GLSEN, which actually is a corporation that helps kids transition behind their parents' back.
So they really are.
hannah claire brimelow
They're not secretive about what they're supportive of.
alex stein
No, it's out in the open.
ashley st clair
They've been partnered with organizations like that for like over a decade, though.
Target is one of the headline sponsors for New York City's Youth Pride, and was one of the founding sponsors of New York City Youth Pride.
So it wasn't just... I'm just surprised it took this long for people to realize.
But I think the narrative- How far their tentacles were reaching.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the narrative around pride in these organizations shifted over time.
Like over the last decade it went from being like you're gonna come out to your parents and they're not gonna accept you and you need a chosen family who will embrace you and love you to being like you're gonna tell your parents that you want to undergo medical intervention surgery to alter your sexual characteristics and they're gonna say no and that's terrible and you're gonna have to look for people to support you.
Like, the conversation has dramatically shifted as our leftist progressive counterparts have embraced gender ideology.
ashley st clair
It's the Bolsheviks.
They took the ownership of children very seriously.
tim pool
Imagine a court ordering you to not refer to your own daughter as your daughter.
And he got arrested for it.
This is back in 2021, March, I think it was.
And so yeah, like in California, they're passing that bill that says you have to affirm your kids, otherwise it's child abuse.
They'll take your kids from you.
ian crossland
No compelled speech laws.
I don't like that.
I mean, affirming the kid isn't necessarily a speech thing.
Because if they start compelling you to say something, then they can make you say things about your leader.
And no, that's not how people feel.
hannah claire brimelow
Like I said before, this is a specific thing the Supreme Court just ruled on yesterday, that state laws shouldn't compel you to do something that violates the way you would otherwise speak.
But again, they're dancing the line.
They're sort of saying like, Well, we're not saying that you can't say something, we're just saying that we'll punish you if you don't say this other thing.
alex stein
Well, I think the dad was really disappointed because if you notice in this particular situation, this was a female to male transition, giving them no advantage in sports.
Now, if this was the other way around, where it was a male transition to a female, maybe she would have been a great athlete, like Leah Thomas, and then he would have been more proud of her.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe it's on the dad.
alex stein
It's on the dad, that's what I'm saying.
I think it's the dad's fault.
tim pool
The father was trying to find medical solutions that didn't involve drugs, and they were like, nope, drugs.
Yeah, wow.
alex stein
Well, that's the thing, Tim, they literally, this has happened with Chloe Cole, they'll tell the children's parents that the child is going to kill themselves if they do not get this gender reaffirming surgery.
tim pool
When in actuality, desistance rates are between like 65 and 98 percent, so your best The best course of action, seemingly, for the child, this is what Europe found, is nothing.
alex stein
Yeah.
tim pool
Non-intervention.
Non-intervention.
And when they say stuff like, if you don't do this, your kid will take their own life or harm themselves, it's actually the inverse.
If the suicidality, ideation and action is higher among the transgender population, but children are 60-90% likely to desist with no intervention, then intervention actually increases the rate of suicidality.
ashley st clair
Yes.
alex stein
We don't want to get medical misinformation, but SSRIs actually increase your suicidal idolization.
tim pool
Well, I'll keep it simply.
Make sure you find a good doctor you trust for all of this stuff.
We're just people on the internet.
alex stein
I'm not a doctor.
Do not listen to anything from me medically.
tim pool
So I'm speaking not as a medical doctor who can talk about mental health.
I'm speaking my opinion based on the studies showing resistance rates are this high.
So what I should say is if those studies are true, logic would dictate the best course of action is X.
ian crossland
Not a doctor, though.
To confirm what you're saying, Alex, antidepressants and suicide risk from the National Institute of Health, 2005, systematic review, controlled trials, compared SSRIs with other active treatments or placebos found almost two-fold increase in the odds of fatal and non-fatal suicide acts among those exposed to SSRIs.
unidentified
That's from NIH?
ian crossland
Yeah, National Institute of Health.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
That was the first thing that came up when I typed SSRI suicide.
It's no joke.
alex stein
And I'm not a doctor at all, but I'm telling you, not once during the pandemic did they ever tell anybody to go get some exercise and eat better.
I mean, I think that's where it comes down to a lot of our mental health problems, too, is the crap that we eat and we don't exercise.
tim pool
And just because I'm sure a lot of people are like, what's an SSRI?
It's a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor.
There you go.
Now you know what SSRI stands for.
The more you know.
alex stein
Serotonin Selective Reuptake Inhibitor.
ian crossland
You've been working out a lot.
How do you feel?
alex stein
I feel better.
No, I think that's like, you know, for me, I've had challenging stuff.
I lost my mom not that long ago.
And I remember exercising and stuff because I was very depressed about that.
That's the only thing that made me feel better.
So I think if that helped me with that, it would help everybody else.
And I know it's not a placebo.
It's not just going to fix problems with people that exercise that are depressed.
But I'm just saying there are natural remedies, I believe, instead of just taking a magic pill.
ian crossland
I've been doing a mile on the on the bike on the assault bike, and it's like it lowers my blood pressure.
Like, I just work in my lower body, a little bit of the upper body, but afterwards, for like six hours, I just have lower blood pressure.
It's fantastic for my mind.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think the human body is designed for a sedentary lifestyle.
unidentified
No.
hannah claire brimelow
And that's unfortunately, you know, one of the nice things about having, you know, non-manual labor jobs is that you get to be in the air conditioning and, you know, whatever else.
On the other hand, now you are putting your body at a permanent state of rest, which is not good for it.
So unless you actively try to find ways to be active, you are more likely to Harm your body, essentially.
ashley st clair
I think that's why a lot of people are just more mentally ill in general, because our entire society and lifestyle is antithetical to the human condition, both mentally and physically.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, well you mentioned birth control, and that's one of the things that I find super interesting, because you probably say this too, there's this study that says if you start birth control before the age of 20, you're 130% more likely to develop depression.
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
commit suicide and all women. This is like a one of the largest studies ever done on
this was 260,000 women is published by Cambridge Press University Press. They found that women
any of any age are 90% more likely to develop symptoms of depression if they take birth
control and to me one of the interesting things about this and maybe you can talk about the
two but my anecdotal experiences all know girls who it's not to sleep around. I know
that's the thing conservative men always bring up and it's not an unreasonable thing to question
about society but they're told oh you have bad really painful cramps it's disruptive
to your education to your job get on birth control your skin anything.
They'll use it as this treat-all pill.
But really, those are symptoms that your hormones are out of whack.
So instead of treating the hormone imbalance through diet, through food, through exercise, they just say, cover that and prolong the problem.
And then we don't talk about the consequences.
2020 was the 60th anniversary of when the FDA signed off on birth control as a form of contraceptive or the pill.
And yet we're still just now acknowledging that women become extremely depressed because of it.
Like, that seems crazy to me.
You put your body's hormones on pause for years on end and expect there to be no consequences?
ashley st clair
No, and that's the issue, is that there's not informed consent for women for so many things that are given to them, especially birth control.
These young girls, I was put on it at 14 for acne, for something minuscule, and I wasn't told, hey, you might get really depressed.
hey, you might become suicidal.
And none of these women are told this.
They're expected to read, it's like the terms of service.
Nobody reads what's in the damn box.
And so they, but female unhappiness, nobody's talking about this.
Relative, their subjective wellbeing, our subjective wellbeing as women has fallen
both absolutely and relatively to that of men, despite there being so much progress.
And there's actually a really funny Yale study that talks about this, the paradox of declining female happiness, female unhappiness, because they talk about it.
They're like, wow, we're making so much progress, but women are more unhappy than ever!
Because we're severing women from their biological nature, from femininity, and pumping them full of hormones and telling them the only way you're happy is if you're like a man and you don't have And then if you get depressed, they're like, and have some SSRIs, which we now agree.
Then they're on a pharmaceutical cocktail.
Oh, the birth control.
They don't even ask you.
If I'm on birth control and I go to my doctor and I say I'm depressed, they do not even ask you most of the time or mention that it might be the birth control.
They just pop you on an SSRI or they pop you on something else.
And now you're on a pharmaceutical cocktail and it gets even worse.
alex stein
Well, I look at a doctor a lot like a mechanic, basically, where they don't actually want to fix a problem, they just want to cut off the check engine light so you can't see what the problem is, and that's basically why they just medicate you.
Instead of actually trying to fix the problem, fix the engine, you know, actually do the hard work, they just want to give you this, you know, placebo cure-all.
tim pool
Yeah, but are you talking about bad doctors?
alex stein
Yeah, but most doctors are, because they'll just give you an SSRI, you just walk in and say, oh, I'm depressed.
They don't even ask you ten questions about why you're depressed.
tim pool
I don't know, maybe you're going to bad doctors.
alex stein
Yeah, but this is the problem with doctors, though, Tim, is that you know this.
They go to college.
They come out with huge debts.
Any doctor that spoke out against this pandemic protocol, you know, got fired.
So they are emboldened to listen to whatever they're... Sure, sure, sure.
My point is this.
There's no house MD.
There's no doctor that's like, you know what?
I'm going to try this unorthodox approach, because if they did, if they tried to prescribe ivermectin... There are.
tim pool
No, there's people- So, during COVID, famously, Joe Rogan found a doctor who gave him a prescription he wanted.
Of course!
unidentified
There's an exception to that rule, but my point is this- He probably paid cash for him.
ashley st clair
He probably paid cash.
tim pool
Sure.
Good doctors are not accessible to most people.
My point is this.
This argument is like, man, I hired a plumber and he broke my toilet, and I'm like, so find a better plumber?
If most plumbers you find are bad, you just gotta get a good one.
ashley st clair
But here's what I'll tell you, because good doctors That's it.
You're not arguing my point though at all.
for most people because if they accept insurance what happens is they turn into
patient mills where they're just getting in and out. Have you ever been in doctors office?
unidentified
See the plumber is not a good thing because you're not arguing my point though.
alex stein
The plumber analogy is not good because basically the same company that that
sells the plumber the pipes is telling the plumber to keep messing up the house
so they can sell the plumber more pipes to replace the house.
tim pool
I don't understand this argument where it's like my life should be easy and I shouldn't
have to do any work to find people who can work with me.
alex stein
Because the majority of doctors have to have one train of thought.
So it's their whole livelihood's on it.
They'll get fired.
They can't even speak out against it.
So you say, oh, fine, there's one good doctor.
There's only one Peter McCullough.
tim pool
It's not one good doctor.
alex stein
But there's not that many.
I'm telling you the majority.
tim pool
Like, how did we find, like, doctor, like, OK, look, my point.
alex stein
99% of doctors are going to say the COVID vaccine is great.
ashley st clair
I don't even think it's just that.
tim pool
My point is, and I don't know about 99%, but the overall majority.
It's just, it's not an answer to say, because most people in this field are bad, we're screwed.
It's just, it's your responsibility to make sure the people you are working with are doing right by you.
It is not my or anyone else's responsibility.
If you go to a bad, insert any trade, that is your fault.
ashley st clair
I think that's multifaceted, though, because most people don't know that their doctor may not be giving them the best advice.
And I don't think it's just... I think a lot of doctors are becoming dishonest and they're doing brand deals, but I also think because they're focusing on volume and getting people in and out.
I think a doctor should be sitting with you for an hour or two, really diving into... But they don't do that.
tim pool
I just... I feel like it's not really arguing what I'm saying.
So many people said, I went to my doctor and they gave me bad information.
I checked online and found a different doctor.
ashley st clair
But most people don't know it's bad.
tim pool
What is your argument?
Do no research?
alex stein
No, no, no, no.
Do research, but can you install a transmission in your car?
tim pool
My brother can.
alex stein
I'm saying, can you install a transmission in your car?
tim pool
No, but I trust my brother.
alex stein
I know, but I'm saying, so you go to an expert.
So what if every mechanic you went to was lying to you, Tim?
tim pool
So here's what I do.
I go online.
I look up basic transmission stuff.
alex stein
And you're going to learn how to install a transmission?
tim pool
Let me ask you a question.
When you go to a car dealer, do you take his word for it?
alex stein
A lot of times, yeah.
tim pool
That's a mistake.
alex stein
Well, this is how it works, because I actually have my dealer's license.
How it works is, in Texas, if you buy a car through a licensed dealer, you have to give them basically a post-sale inspection.
You have to make sure that it passes inspection, and if not, you have to tell them it's as-is.
So, in that sense, it is good, because, listen, I don't like the government getting involved in business, but at least when I sold a person a car, they knew it was either as-is, with no warranty, or the car was perfectly fine.
tim pool
If the argument is Big Pharma is corrupt, and many doctors just accept whatever they say, and Big Pharma sponsors universities, there's no question.
But I do not accept the argument that it's not a person's fault for not taking the responsibility to do research on who they're hiring to treat their bodies.
alex stein
Yeah, but I wouldn't know how to treat cancer.
tim pool
I wouldn't know how to... I mean, there's a lot of stuff... But let me tell you, if you went to a doctor and they prescribed, like, splashing bleach in your face, you'd be like, hey, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
alex stein
There's a lot of doctors who say, oh, here, get this chemo.
tim pool
But you're not arguing it.
You're not arguing what I'm saying.
I don't understand.
alex stein
Well, I guess what happens is... I'm saying I don't trust the doctor.
You say, oh, you can just find these great unicorn doctors.
I don't think that.
I think the whole entire industry has been infected by the FDA.
tim pool
That's clearly not true, though.
unidentified
RFK Jr.
ian crossland
was saying it's the FDA.
tim pool
There are tons of people who got prescribed a bunch of different treatments during COVID.
There are people posting on Twitter how their doctor is doing these treatments.
Yes, but it's... There was a coalition of doctors doing it.
alex stein
But even that coalition couldn't... The government could still stop CVS from prescribing ivermectin, so it doesn't even matter.
Even if the doctor has his best intentions.
Oh, well, I do have this medication.
I'm going to prescribe it.
Then you go to your CVS.
Oh, I'm sorry, we're not going to fill out your prescription, Mr. Poole, because this isn't authorized for that.
So even the doctor could be superseded by the government.
tim pool
No one is arguing that there's no corruption.
The argument is, you can't come to me and be like, I hired a plumber and he broke my toilet.
It's their fault.
I'll be like, dude, why didn't you do any research before?
I don't know what the argument is that...
alex stein
Well, doctors take an oath to make sure that they have their patients' best interests, and I don't think doctors follow that oath.
tim pool
I think I'm viewing it from an individualist, and you're viewing it from a collectivist perspective.
ian crossland
It's more fair to think of it as a fireman than a plumber, because the fireman, it's life and death.
They come, they have to put the fire out the right way.
If they go in there and they create some sort of arson or do something faulty, you're gonna know immediately, and it's the same way with doctors.
I mean, plumbers, obviously, it's just not life and death.
unidentified
How about this?
alex stein
Look at your cat, Mr. Bocas.
They want to euthanize it.
Doctors in Canada right now are literally prescribing people medically-assisted suicide because they can't afford the chairlift in their house.
tim pool
And we also found a guy who said, give us 10 grand, we'll give him stem cells.
And the stem cells didn't work.
ian crossland
I think they're working.
I don't know if they can grow his heart or anything.
unidentified
It's not working.
tim pool
So who do we trust?
The guy who said, pay me a lot of money and I'll save your cat?
Oops, it didn't work.
Maybe he had the best intentions and he was correct.
It just didn't work.
Or the doctor says, this treatment's not going to work.
I recommend you not do it.
Who turned out to be correct?
ian crossland
It's just... No, I don't trust a doctor that says, kill your cat, and then if you say no, he says, okay, then give it this medicine until it dies.
I'm like, no, fuck off, dude.
I'm gonna heal my cat, thank you.
tim pool
Okay, I don't disagree, but my point is...
We pay for the expensive treatment that didn't work.
ian crossland
I think it worked.
It's just, it's not a superhero treatment.
hannah claire brimelow
Was it supposed to work or prolong his life?
ian crossland
Yeah, just like regeneration.
tim pool
No, stem cells was supposed to work.
ian crossland
But it's experimental.
tim pool
The drugs are supposed to prolong his life.
alex stein
And Tim, did you know the third leading cause of death is, you know, doctor malpractice?
tim pool
I don't know if that's true.
unidentified
Google it.
alex stein
Google it.
tim pool
Third cause of death?
alex stein
Yeah, I think it's the third leading cause of death behind like heart disease and cancer.
hannah claire brimelow
Who would admit that?
That's like a funny statistic.
alex stein
Well, look it up, look it up.
tim pool
Medical error is the third leading cause of death according to IHI.org.
alex stein
Yeah, so this is a problem.
That's why I think it's more of a collectivist issue.
But let me just say this, Tim, and I'm not trying to get emotional because once again I have to bring up my mother dying.
It was the worst thing in my life.
But we told the doctors not to give her remdesivir.
They still gave her remdesivir, because they could still bill her insurance.
Without our authority, as soon as we signed a DNR, they were able to do whatever they want.
They could care less.
They know remdesivir.
They know for a fact... Okay.
I know we can't say stuff.
unidentified
I'm just saying... No, no, no, no.
tim pool
My point is, you're telling me that you are like, wow... I told the doctor not to do something.
alex stein
A doctor could still do it.
Do you understand that?
The doctor has full control.
They can just mess up on your heart surgery.
So, it's... Sure.
What I'm saying is, so these doctors- So it's like, so here's my point.
tim pool
You're going, this doctor's clearly wrong.
Would you do heart surgery on me?
alex stein
No, I wouldn't get that.
tim pool
I wouldn't have you- Why- If you go to a doctor and the doctor says something and you're like, that doctor's wrong.
I should do- I should have him do my heart surgery.
That makes no sense.
alex stein
No, but I'm just saying, all doctors are basically corrupt.
tim pool
Do you think that, like, there's no Trump-supporting doctors?
alex stein
Of course, but I think that they're in the, I think that's the, they're in the major minority, for sure.
ian crossland
It's that they're centralized through the AMA and the FDA.
alex stein
Listen, we can only talk about so much stuff because of medical misinformation.
There's a lot of stuff I'd like to be talking, I would sound like RFK, but I think if you just look at RFK and you look at correlation and causation and you could look at a lot of stuff, Tim, you could see some numbers.
tim pool
He's also, I think he's wrong about a lot of stuff.
alex stein
Well, I think about childhood vaccines.
I mean, we can, like I said, medical misinformation is going to say so much, but I do think it's weird some of the schedules of vaccines for young children at that young of age, and then you look at the occurrence of autism at a rate that we've never seen.
I'm not saying that They're totally connected, but, I mean, it's hard to not, you know, put the two together.
ian crossland
Do ourselves a favor, investigate.
Raise the yellow flag and let's take a look at all this stuff, man.
tim pool
One of the biggest issues when it comes to any of this stuff is If there are 50 variables in a problem, and you're aware of two of them, you might think those two things are correlated.
But you don't know the other variables.
So, the trans kids, for instance, is a good argument.
Conservatives often talk about social contagion, and then I immediately say endocrine disruptors.
Like, there are other things that are disrupting the hormones of children.
That could be causing this.
alex stein
Speaking of... Are we... But it's like cancer clusters, they can usually figure out what's causing something if there's a cluster of people getting sick from the same thing.
tim pool
You can, and especially with AI, you can put that data in and very quickly... So we should be able to figure this out, but... So, the answer is not that we know for sure, but that we should take all the data available, not... It's... I think we should... Not eight mice.
Right, we should take We should have any kid diagnosed with autism and we should talk about where they live, environmental factors, density of like uraniums or selenium or whatever may be in their water, medications, vaccines, not just any one but all, load that into an AI and it'll show us the patterns and then we can assess that move forward.
My main point with doctors is I do not disagree that most doctors just say, this is what we're told to give you.
My point is, that is the reason why it is incumbent upon you to go to a doctor, ask questions, and then shop around.
alex stein
Well, do you think most doctors would listen to Peter Hotez?
tim pool
The answer is yes, but to what degree?
Because if you go to rural areas and MAGA country, you'll find most doctors there probably would not.
But most could be 51%.
I actually think you'll find a lot of doctors who... You're gonna have a higher density of doctors in major urban liberal centers, and as Democrats, believe what CNN tells them, and just march in lockstep.
But I guarantee you, if you go to a Trump-supporting doctor, he's going to agree with you.
alex stein
Yeah, a Trump-supporting one, yeah.
tim pool
And there's many of them.
There's a lot of them.
So we can put it this simply.
If you are distrustful of the medical system, find a doctor who politically aligns with you, and then do your research.
ashley st clair
I don't think politics is enough, though, because I think there's Trump-supporting doctors who still will prescribe birth control to young girls.
They're still gonna give out SRIs.
tim pool
You still have responsibility.
It is not the responsibility of everyone else.
alex stein
Yeah, but if you come to me, Tim, and you say, I have cancer, I need help, and I'm a doctor, you're going to take whatever they give you because you're going to trust them.
unidentified
No!
ashley st clair
When you have doctors who are going to lose their medical license if they don't adhere to a certain agenda.
tim pool
If your argument is people don't have agency?
alex stein
You should do your own research, but I'm just saying there's questions that we don't have the answers to.
tim pool
What did Steve Jobs want a fruitarian diet when he had pancreatic cancer and then died?
alex stein
I don't think that that helped him, but I'm saying... I agree!
You should have listened to his doctor!
But you look to experts for answers that you don't have.
So yes, you can do your own research, but you're still going to go with the expert's opinion more often than not.
tim pool
And if you find out... So, if anyone of any job comes to you and says, the sky's green, And you go, I'll take your word for it.
That's on you!
alex stein
Well, sometimes the sky is green.
tim pool
When there's a storm coming, especially.
It's really cool.
My point is, you cannot just say, they're the experts, so everyone just does what they say.
That's a problem.
ian crossland
You should not.
Here's an example.
ashley st clair
I think that's my point, is that most people don't know that you shouldn't take a doctor's word as the Bible.
tim pool
There's nothing you can do about this.
That's the biggest issue.
So you as individuals should not, like, we should be telling people, and this is my position, Shop around for a doctor you trust.
That is the answer.
I believe it is counterproductive to be like, no, no, there's no point.
alex stein
What if it's an emergency?
You just go in the emergency room, you don't get to pick your doctor.
tim pool
It's an emergency!
You're out of luck!
The world is not fair, the world is not perfect, the world is not safe.
alex stein
If you are in New York City- But isn't it a bad system that if you have an emergency you're gonna go to a doctor that's more than likely bad?
tim pool
No one is arguing against that, but you said all doctors are bad.
alex stein
Not all, but I'd say the majority of them are.
tim pool
And the majority could be what, 51% or 99%?
alex stein
I think that they're given bad information because they're not- that's why I think it is.
I think they're actually probably good inherently, like morally they're probably good, but they're going off bad information.
tim pool
Yes, we need- The average person to take responsibility for their health and not just go, oh, that means instead of saying all doctors are bad, it's pointless.
We say, no, you just have to work hard.
And if you don't, you don't deserve it.
If you blindly trust someone to inject you in a 7-Eleven parking lot, you deserve whatever happens.
But it's if you do research, and to the best of your ability decide what is right for you because the responsibility is incumbent upon you, then, sure, malpractice I believe kicks in.
alex stein
Well, what if you can't afford that, Doctor?
tim pool
If you can't afford medical treatment, welcome to real life.
If you can't afford a spear and you're in the woods and a bear attacks you, that's not my problem.
alex stein
Not to be a contrarian, even though I am conservative, I actually do believe that our
medical industrial complex is totally crooked and that we need to have caps or we should have some
sort of socialized health care. I know that sounds crazy and that's not a conservative viewpoint,
but I think the basic necessity of having insulin, the fact that insulin is $200 in Texas,
but it's $2 in Mexico, that's because of corruption. So we have such a corrupt system.
tim pool
I think it is corrupt, and that means... You can't fix it.
That means you have to personally do the work to find a good doctor.
alex stein
But I can't change the price of insulin.
tim pool
You can go to Mexico, you can go to Canada.
ashley st clair
Donald Trump worked towards it.
tim pool
Do you think there needs to be reform in the medical industry?
Hold on.
This is the main issue right now.
You cannot be like, no, all doctors are bad.
End of story.
ian crossland
Well, the problem is they're coming from a centralized authority.
alex stein
That's too general.
That's not how I really feel.
tim pool
And I reject the idea that it's like, nope, even if there is a good doctor, it's too expensive.
That's not true.
It's just hard.
Life is hard.
You are not entitled to anything.
You do not have the right to walk into a city and be like, I demand the doctor do things perfectly.
That's not how reality works.
You can hire a security guard, you can hire a cop, and then that cop runs away from the mass shooting event and gets criminally charged for it.
alex stein
That's true, because a cop and an attorney, they take an oath to, you know...
tim pool
An oath is... the world is not a rigid mathematical system.
It is a system of people and fallibility.
A cop can fail at his job, and then you sue.
A doctor can fail at his job, and then you sue.
You as an individual have the responsibility to make sure you are doing everything you
require, and it's... to me, the point is this.
I guarantee you, if you walk into a random clinic and say, Doc, whatever you say is law,
you will end up with problems.
But if you read some reviews online, do some research, let me tell you a story.
I got prescribed an antibiotic once and it had joint issues were associated with it.
I said, I will not.
I looked up online what this was.
I won't take it.
I skateboard.
And they said, OK.
And then I said, I read online about this alternative treatment and they said, okay,
and they handed me my prescription. If you don't do any of that and bad things happen,
it's not because doctors are bad, it's because you don't take responsibility for your own life.
ian crossland
But sometimes the data they have is wrong and then people are hooked into a system that they don't
let's take a heroin addict trying to get a heroin addict to realize that they're in a bad place.
So you need from the outside be like a white knighting for these people that are stuck.
alex stein
**Matt Stauffer** Or what about this real quick? What about a cancer patient that's dying that
can't get access to opioids because we're having such a fentanyl crisis to a patient that actually
tim pool
needs it? **Matt Stauffer** So this is like a leftist view that we should be able to give
everyone everything but medicine... **Matt Stauffer** No, but I'm talking
alex stein
about access. I'm not talking about for free. **Matt Stauffer** If it doesn't exist,
tim pool
I'm sorry, you can't have it. I would like to fly, but I don't have a jetpack.
alex stein
**Jeff** No, but I'm talking about, have you noticed now doctors will not prescribe opioids
to people that are actually in pain because they do not want to get in trouble because
there's such an over... **Matt Stauffer** I think...
tim pool
I think that's a good thing.
alex stein
But what about the cancer patient that is in actual pain that's not going to abuse the pills?
tim pool
I don't think you're entitled to any of these.
I don't understand.
I don't get it.
alex stein
You don't think the cancer patient should be entitled to pain medication?
tim pool
No, absolutely not.
I do not think anyone is entitled to just be given things.
It just makes no sense to me.
If it doesn't exist, you can't have it.
I'll tell you this, wouldn't they be entitled to a cure for their cancer?
alex stein
No, because we don't have that.
But I'm talking about if somebody's in pain, and we have a cheap thing that'll fix their pain, I think that they should be able to have access to it.
Instead, doctors are saying, no, we can't, because you know what?
A few years ago, we over-prescribed Oxycontin, and then we got in trouble, and so now we can't actually give people with pain pain medicine.
I'm sorry.
Oopsie poopsie.
tim pool
I'm a doctor.
The system is imperfect.
Find a better doctor.
ian crossland
This is also wild.
I don't know if you guys saw, the World Health Organization just classified aspartame as a possible carcinogen.
alex stein
And that's another thing we need to talk about.
The level of cancer in young people now is at the highest levels it's ever been.
ian crossland
So we're talking about autism earlier, like you were talking about all these different factors that could happen in the 80s, the amount of aspartame that pregnant mothers were taking.
alex stein
Look at me, I'm drinking it right now!
ian crossland
I'm getting cancer right now!
beating the drum about how nasty this stuff is for about a decade.
There's so few studies on this thing, aspartame.
alex stein
Well, they kept on declining it when it originally tried to get approved by the FDA.
ian crossland
It was Donald Rumsfeld!
Reagan put Rumsfeld in with this and got it with like a, they wouldn't vote to make it a food because it was like, I don't know if they used it as rat poison or something in the 60s.
And then when Reagan got in, it was like the day he got into office, he stacked this five-man panel and then they made it legal.
ashley st clair
I think it's a little bit ridiculous, though, that they're coming out, ooh, aspartame causes cancer.
First of all, we knew that.
Second of all, I think it's just kind of signaling, like, look, guys, don't worry.
We'll tell you if something's bad for you.
Meanwhile, the FDA just approved lab-grown meat.
Like, give me a break.
In the same breath that they're approving lab-grown meat, they're like, oh, by the way, Diet Coke might cause cancer.
ian crossland
Took them 40 years to say that, that aspartame might be cancerous.
40 years.
What else are they not saying?
tim pool
We gotta go to Super Chats.
So I'll start by reading two recent ones, and then we'll go back to being like we normally do.
And Jason Hutchison says, Tim just went full Ludwig von Mises.
You're all a bunch of socialists, and it's awesome.
alex stein
I stand with Tim on this.
tim pool
However, Doc Holiday says, Alex is right.
Docs are pushes for big pharma, and Ashley is hot AF.
So, you know.
And then Doc had said, Tim, failing miserably, this is embarrassing, you are wrong, I am right.
The fact is, it doesn't matter if docs are corrupt.
You are not entitled to a system that works as you want it to be unless you work to build it.
If it is truth and reality that most doctors shill for big pharma, and we all accept that, it is incumbent upon you to find someone you trust to prescribe you medication.
And if you simply go, nope, no such thing exists, then you are entitled to nothing.
alex stein
Hey, but Tim, Tim, I can kind of be your argument right now.
Have you ever heard of Nigeria?
tim pool
Yes, I've heard of that.
alex stein
They had the lowest levels of COVID.
tim pool
Right.
alex stein
How would you compare their medical system to ours?
Would you say that theirs is better or worse than ours?
tim pool
I don't know.
alex stein
Well, I would say that it's worse, right?
tim pool
Why would you say that?
alex stein
Well, let's just... because the infrastructure, the schools, I think that... Do you actually know about their infrastructure?
Well, I know that we have more top universities in America than Africa when it comes to medical school.
So my point is... Let's get to the point.
A place that had less I think diet's a huge part of it.
and probably less medical infrastructure did better with the pandemic than the
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
country that had access to everything. A lot of assumptions were just made that I can't answer.
alex stein
Look at Nigeria's COVID rates. So why was Nigeria with less medical infrastructure able to...
tim pool
Do you know they have less medical infrastructure?
alex stein
For a fact, Google, you and I both know this.
Look, we can be cute.
You know that the United States has a better, excuse me, you know for a fact the United States has a better medical system than Nigeria.
tim pool
When you just told me the whole thing was corrupt and doctors are prescribing bad things to people, I don't know what you're saying.
ian crossland
Life expectancy in Nigeria is 52 years, 54 years.
tim pool
Does that include infant mortality?
ian crossland
Maybe.
tim pool
Okay.
I don't know anything about Nigeria.
I'm looking at Wikipedia.
The point I was going to make was it is reasonable to assume their medical system is much, much worse than ours.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
But I just don't know.
alex stein
And they handled the pandemic much better.
tim pool
So half of the population lives on less than a $1.90 a day.
alex stein
I don't know that's true.
tim pool
So it's like less doctors... It's like dude says things about a country I don't know anything about.
alex stein
But what I'm saying is less medical intervention in that country.
Let's just, let's agree that there was less medical intervention in Nigeria.
tim pool
I don't know that!
ian crossland
But assuming that's the case, there might have been... Assuming that's the case, let's assume... That might not be the reason.
alex stein
Let's just, just for hypotheticals, let's just assume that... I never, I never do that.
But even if that's true, Alex... I never, I never say, let's choose a country I know nothing about, did no research on... The overarching point is that a country with less medical supplies did better during the pandemic than the one with access to every single medical supply and medical expert in the world.
Why is that?
tim pool
Better diet?
ashley st clair
Probably because they just did less for COVID, not that they had some genius COVID policy.
tim pool
How much did Nigeria spend?
alex stein
Because they did less!
Because they did less and more people lived!
tim pool
What was their COVID protocol?
alex stein
Well, the reason why is because there they have parasites.
tim pool
What was their COVID protocol?
What was it?
alex stein
I believe it was ivermectin in Nigeria.
They have it.
tim pool
Frequency?
I know the American protocol for COVID.
I know exactly what the United States did.
alex stein
Well in Nigeria they had to take ivermectin because they have parasites in their water so they already take it regularly.
So I don't know if they had to take a different scheduling of it because they already take it.
tim pool
So what was their COVID protocol then?
alex stein
I don't know what their... So this is the problem.
tim pool
I don't know how you can use them as an example if you don't even know what they were doing.
alex stein
I don't even need to know.
Them doing nothing was still more beneficial.
tim pool
Maybe they did something.
Maybe they actually did though.
alex stein
Well, I would guess that they did less in America when I came.
tim pool
Well, a guess is okay, but if we don't know, why is it an example?
alex stein
Well, this is how I know, because I know that they administered less vaccines.
Sure, sure, but... So they did less vaccines and they had less deaths?
tim pool
I cannot even begin to have a conversation if you don't know what they did.
alex stein
I have a general idea, so I have enough of an idea to form an opinion.
tim pool
So your opinion is, I assume they did a thing, but I don't know exactly what they did.
alex stein
No, my opinion is that their medical system is not as good as America's medical system.
I think we can all agree on that.
That Nigeria does not have as good a medical system as America.
tim pool
I think it's reasonable to assume.
alex stein
I don't know anything about Nigeria.
We had the worst pandemic in history, in recorded history.
Other since, what, the Spanish flu in 1920.
But other than that, And a country in Africa had less COVID fatality.
tim pool
Okay, dude, dude, dude.
unidentified
I, you, what about Uganda?
tim pool
Insert random country.
alex stein
It's not random.
It's not random.
tim pool
Uganda.
And Uganda had more.
I don't know what they did.
I don't know the numbers, but I'll just say it.
alex stein
And Africa had lower COVID rates than North America.
tim pool
Yes.
My point is there is no conversation to be had if you're going to say a thing that I have no information on.
alex stein
My point is less doctors are better.
tim pool
Not necessarily.
ian crossland
It could be a better diet, or just that they have a less bad diet.
Here we have a lot of plastics, like food colorings made from coal tar, aspartame, high fructose corn syrup, which is like a franken chemical, and obesity, 60% obesity rates.
That's a big part of COVID was obesity.
Maybe they didn't have that in Africa.
unidentified
It could be a lack of reporting.
You said their medical system's not as superior as the United States.
tim pool
You can't be like, I don't know what they did, I don't know their reporting system, I don't know their regulation.
alex stein
I know the number is a big enough discrepancy that it wasn't just because of underreporting.
tim pool
I know that.
I'll tell you another issue I take with RFK's stance.
He's taken the false stance that ivermectin was not approved because if there was a treatment for COVID, it would ruin the vaccine emergency use authorization, which makes literally no sense at all.
Wait, what does that mean?
Because monoclonal antibodies got an EUA as well, and if ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine
worked, they could give it an EUA as well.
You don't need to hard approve something to allow it to be used off-label for treatment.
alex stein
So this statement...
It would not have... the vaccine, it would have affected the approval for the vaccine.
tim pool
Then how come the monoclonal antibodies didn't affect the approval for vaccines?
alex stein
Maybe because that's in the same class as a vaccine.
tim pool
It's not?
alex stein
Well, I don't know that to be the case.
tim pool
I mean... Okay, so monoclonal antibodies is a therapeutic.
It is not a vaccination.
alex stein
The reason why they're able to not do the standard testing, the protocol, that they would normally do, is because of the emergency use authorization.
And so everyone keeps saying... So if ivermectin would have been effective, they would have not been able to use it with an emergency use... E-U-A.
tim pool
They could have put it under EUA the same as- You're talking about putting an ivermectin?
alex stein
Yeah, but they don't want to do that because it costs two cents and everybody can get it because they wouldn't have benefited financially from doing this.
Perhaps.
tim pool
For a fact!
So what I said was, the argument from RFK that the reason it was not approved is because that would end the EUA is wrong, and you agree with me, right?
alex stein
Well, it would have- if- Ivermectin would have been given to more people.
I don't think Ivermectin is just some cure-all for COVID.
I just wanted to say that.
tim pool
Okay, this is my point.
alex stein
But I think that it could have helped.
tim pool
RFK was wrong when he said that.
alex stein
And so that would have maybe lessened the vaccine's emergency use.
tim pool
The position taken by RFK and many others that Ivermectin was not approved because it would have affected the EUA is an incorrect statement because there were treatments approved under EUA outside of vaccines.
If the argument is that it couldn't make money off it, I agree.
ian crossland
Yeah.
alex stein
If it had been approved... I think that's what this all comes down to for Big Pharma is money, though, Tim.
ian crossland
I think if Ivermectin had been approved not for emergency use, but actually just approved as a functioning therapeutic, then maybe it would have disrupted the EUAs for the others.
tim pool
Right.
And so long as monoclonal antibodies, which were exorbitantly expensive and unavailable to the average person... Yeah, Ivermectin costs one cent a pill.
...did receive an EUA, Then they could have put it under EUA.
So the problem I have with this is it is a false argument, and if you want to make the argument it was because of price, I agree.
They don't want to approve cheap, free drugs, because Big Pharma is corrupt and evil.
alex stein
Yeah, so I agree with that.
tim pool
So here's my issue.
That is logically and discernibly true.
But people get so knee-jerk defensive about any of this.
They're like, no, RFK's right.
I'm like, but there's no logic.
It makes no sense.
The money thing makes sense.
The EUA thing does not.
But people get mad at me like, you know, Tim won't admit it.
He's wrong about this one.
No, I'm right.
alex stein
Well, think how much money they made with just the vaccines that nobody took.
tim pool
Oh, just the mass-produced garbage-wrapped infringers?
alex stein
Yeah, and they expired.
tim pool
The idea that we would give no-bid, no-liability contracts to massive multinational corporations and mandate medication is psychotic.
alex stein
Yeah, but that's what's ruining the world, is that we're not run by human beings, and I think I said this last time, we're being run by multinational corporations that don't have the ability to feel empathy when they can buy and sell these politicians.
Even Donald Trump, I love Donald Trump, but he's inviting the Johnson & Johnson family on stage.
I'm saying every politician has a price, and these multinational corporations Yes.
With the boycotts.
trying to put aspartame in our soda or whether it's Raytheon trying to sell more tanks in
the Ukraine, they can actually affect the world.
You and me complaining about it can't do jack shit.
tim pool
I actually think complaining about it, we do have a pretty big impact on the world.
ashley st clair
With the boycotts.
The boycotts have given me hope.
tim pool
Yeah, but you gotta believe, man.
alex stein
But the Pentagon budget, I think they had, what was it, $900 billion was unaccounted for.
Oh, it's trillions.
No, no, no, I'm talking about just $900 million was non-accounted for, non-military spending for the past year.
So almost, I mean, it was $900 billion, excuse me, almost a trillion dollars.
Yeah, because a trillion is $1,000 billion.
It was $900 billion unaccounted for.
They don't even have a paper trail of what that's for.
ashley st clair
That's been happening.
alex stein
Every year, I know, but...
Listen, I'm not a socialist, but we should reallocate those funds and help people instead of just killing people in foreign countries.
tim pool
Let's read some superchats.
Cody Griffin says, Tim, will you have RFK on and grill him about his wish to pass common sense gun restrictions?
Would love the debate.
Yes, I think we're talking to them.
I'm not entirely sure what's going on.
The idea is to have RFK on the Culture War podcast, but we will see.
And I think it would be a really interesting discussion as it pertains to COVID, lockdowns, vaccinations, etc.
I am so in favor of RFK debating Hotez, I offered $100,000 to a charity of Hotez's choosing if you would have that debate.
I have said right here, I staunchly disagree with some of what RFK Jr.
has said.
A lot of it I'm not completely, you know, apprised to, so he's welcome to have his opinions and say things.
It is insane to me that one of the leading experts is refusing to have this conversation.
I am not an expert.
I have no problem sitting before Alex Stein and being like, no, here's what I believe and here's why I believe it.
Why is Hotez afraid to do that?
ian crossland
My personal thought is that he was threatened, maybe not threatened, but asked politely not to do it by some of his compatriots in the medical industry.
I don't know why.
Other than that, he likes doing podcasts and movies and stuff, so I love it.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like he just knows he couldn't keep up.
I mean...
Information aside, I don't think he can present as well.
alex stein
And a debate would open him up for that he could be wrong.
So there's no point in him having a debate because then it's like, oh, well, I'm having a debate because maybe you can hear me.
tim pool
The answer is simple.
He does not believe what he says.
ashley st clair
Would you have a HOTAS-adjacent person come on and debate RFK?
alex stein
Absolutely.
Listen, and Tim, I think what you said is exactly right because, once again, medical misinformation, but Peter HOTAS has an autistic daughter and he wrote a book saying that vaccines do not cause autism.
That is very weird, right?
I'm not saying that he's not right in that, but that he... it's like...
He's trying to run cover for something.
It's so sinister that you would write that book if you did have an autism.
tim pool
Here's why I disagree with the vaccine causes autism crowd.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
What is your basis for that assumption?
alex stein
Well, if you look at the MMR vaccine, if you look at the scheduling of MMR vaccine, and Dale Bigtree did a really good video about this called Vax, and there was a time when Robert De Niro had this playing in the Tribeca Film Festival, and they got it taken out.
Do you remember that?
Do you want to just tell me the basis for your Oh, well, the MMR vaccine.
Well, they even did it with the scheduling of the MMR.
If the measles, mumps, rubella, if they actually gave it to them at an older age, they had less of an occurrence of autism.
And as a matter of fact, it was the MMR scheduling.
Even when they had the stats saying that if they spread it out, there was less autism, they still kept the normal scheduling.
And there's a whole documentary about this called Vax.
And it affects boys and people of color even more.
tim pool
So here's the issue.
If you say, we've got a generation of kids with higher rates of autism, let's look at that and then compare their vaccination rates.
alex stein
Well, the numbers did, and what the big pharma said is correlation does not mean causation.
unidentified
That's what they said.
alex stein
They said correlation does not mean causation.
tim pool
And then we have to consider every other variable that exists in human development and the environment.
ashley st clair
I would agree with Tim there, and Cernovic talks about that a lot, but we do need to look into why there's a rise in special ed kids, kids with autism.
It is rising dramatically.
ian crossland
I wonder why Peter Hotez would say it doesn't.
Like, you gotta say it, that's fine.
alex stein
That's the thing, he's running cover for it.
tim pool
My point is, I do not like conspiracy theories.
alex stein
I love them.
tim pool
Because what people do is, there's a big painting before you, and they'll look at one portion of it and say, that proves it.
And I'm like, listen, if you want to talk about the transgender youth issue, if you want to talk about autism rates, there are A thousand variables that need to be assessed in this before we can say we know for sure.
unidentified
5G.
tim pool
You certainly, 5G perhaps, the advent of cellular technology over the 90s, I believe absolutely has some degree of impact on the human body.
And they say don't worry, it's non-ionizing radiation.
ian crossland
My little baby in the womb, wow.
tim pool
So my issue is this, if we know that plastics are causing problems, birth control in the water, seeping into the water causing problems, and these are proven, we know that there's phthalates, PCBs, we have an increase in vaccination scheduling, all of those things are true, I will not come out and be like, but this one thing I will say definitively did thing.
I don't know.
We need a, and this is impossible to do, It's not necessarily impossible.
We need a long-term study looking at children born in the 80s in a plastic-heavy country and children born in a country with no plastic.
Then, we need to take a similar data set.
Kids born in a country with no plastic but high vaccination rates, specifically from this brand, and kids born in countries with no plastic and no vaccination.
It is very, very difficult to accurately get the information that we need to figure out what's really going on.
ashley st clair
This is the most effective measure, and I do think, no disrespect to Alex here, but I think connecting autism and vaccines is counterproductive to actually figuring out what's going on with our kids, because then they just say, oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist, like you said, but instead we should demand answers.
It very well may be that vaccines, that is the issue, right?
But until we demand answers and say, hey, why is this happening?
Why is there a dramatic increase in kids with autism?
Why do we have a dramatic increase in kids with learning disabilities?
tim pool
I think it's plastics.
I think we will find that.
ashley st clair
We need a demand for that research and that information.
alex stein
I think it could be a combination of both, but, I mean, listen, just, everybody, do not listen to me, I do not want to keep spewing medical facts on here, but everybody needs to go watch the documentary Vaxxed with Del Bigtree, and that, I know Tim, I'm just saying, that will have some stats in there.
You're going to say, even when they question Big Pharma, they have to say, oh well, you're right, these numbers are weird, and the scheduling is different, if we give them this at a lower age, they have less autism.
But they say correlation does not mean causation.
So I've seen the numbers.
I mean, I've watched documentaries with the numbers in it, whatever.
But my point is, these are real numbers from real agencies, and they look us in the face and say, oh, well, I know you're putting two and two together, but sorry, it equals five, not four.
ian crossland
Yeah, rather than say that it causes, I think saying it may be contributing to it.
alex stein
Yes, may be contributing.
It does not cause.
That's a very good point.
tim pool
Final thought, and we'll read more superchats, you know, because we've been talking about this.
It is really simple.
There exists, as hard as it may be, a trustworthy doctor.
They exist, and maybe you're right, it's 99%.
That means you've got to make 100 phone calls before you find them.
If you really do think you want sound medical advice, you better make 100 phone calls.
alex stein
Well, Tim, I'll be honest.
I looked at 50 different doctors before I got my penis enlargement, and I chose the wrong one.
ian crossland
Uh-oh.
alex stein
And I'm paying for it every day, so... I'm sorry about that, man.
tim pool
Too big!
Too big, you know?
ian crossland
Yeah, clear the way.
tim pool
Alright, let's read some more.
Turkey Robot says, thanks for the shoutout, Tim.
If you liked that symbolism of the authoritarian regime in Silence Do Good, you're going to love the rest of the series, by the way.
That president is based off Gavin Newsom.
It may end up predicting the future.
It's a really cool picture.
It's clearly, you know, Biden standing there going, ah, but the symbol for the authoritarian regime, it's a red line and then a blue line going up and over.
That was brilliant.
Very, very well done.
ian crossland
I like how it was written, man.
You guys, that was really good because you took, it was almost cliche, but it wasn't.
It became a very high-powered, fast action movie within like six pages.
I really like that.
tim pool
All right.
Paul Tascalo says that DeSantis' video was awful.
That came across to me as anti-gay, very divisive.
Trashing Trump because he isn't being mean enough to gay people.
That is the best DeSantis can do.
The DeSantis team is horrible.
What DeSantis did in that video that I disagree with is that he conflated the current issue of the weird grooming of kids with eight years ago Trump being like, hey, if you're gay, it's all right.
You know?
unidentified
It did come off a little homophobic, the video.
alex stein
The Santas one.
tim pool
I don't like that term, I don't know if it means anything.
alex stein
Yeah, I know, they call me homophobic, but I'm just saying it did seem a little bit like
Trump loves gays, I don't.
tim pool
Yeah, right, right.
alex stein
It did have that vibe, yeah, I mean, it's just...
tim pool
Like the issue we have is...
ashley st clair
I thought it was funny.
alex stein
I'm not saying it was that bad, but that is the vibe it gave.
unidentified
Like, Trump holding a flag, and I put him in jail!
ian crossland
First I heard Trump say that he would encourage a trans woman to use a bathroom with other girls, so I don't know how he still feels about that.
With Caitlyn Jenner, what did he say about Caitlyn Jenner?
alex stein
Well, that was a big deal when Caitlyn Jenner went and pooped in Trump Plaza or whatever, but he would let Caitlyn Jenner go to his house, so Caitlyn Jenner is probably a one-off.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think he really doesn't care, but once you start to understand what is happening to kids, then... I don't like the way they prop up Caitlyn.
tim pool
Let's, uh, let's read some more.
Kane Abel says, RFK Jr.
is a Democrat and has stated he is willing to work with the parties.
I am voting for Trump 2024.
Trump for the scorched earth policy.
Fire them all.
Agreed.
Dave Murdock Art says, culture win!
After being stonewalled by Steam for 30 days and banned in China, Drag the Dead will officially release 707.
Pearl clutching zombie shooter starring Zayn, Dimaj, and Uncle Hotep.
Oh wow.
We're taking the space back.
Early access keys available.
Timcast want one.
You wanna try that game?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
Send it to me on Twitter.
unidentified
Hey, let me get one too.
I'm a big gamer, so.
That sounds fun.
tim pool
There you go.
ian crossland
Kellen PDL.
tim pool
Let's grab some more super chats.
Neboop says, Megan Kelly, when she grasped it, if you think these MAGA people will vote for anyone but Trump, you weren't paying attention.
Correct.
We cut the brakes on the Trump train.
MAGA, ride or die.
ian crossland
Just not into party politics.
tim pool
And the dissenters people said the same thing.
They said, if it's Trump, they're not voting.
So, okay, then you get Newsom, I guess.
ian crossland
You're gonna have to let go of the cult worship for this one.
alex stein
Everybody's been talking about Newsom.
Who would be his running mate?
ian crossland
Michelle Obama.
alex stein
I think Michelle would be the president.
ian crossland
Yes, she will be.
alex stein
I'm just saying, I think he would be her running mate.
ian crossland
Dude, it's gonna be Obama.
Remember you joked, if I could just sit in my basement in my sweats and talk on the phone and have a frontman, you guys laugh and think it's Joe Biden?
No, no, it's Michelle, and she will be president, and it will be Obama, Barack, running the country for eight years from his base.
unidentified
Barack was just at the White House with Joe Biden for lunch earlier this week, I believe, so there's something going on.
alex stein
It's like they know each other or something.
They give us the impression that the Bidens and Obama's get along.
No way.
They hate each other.
ashley st clair
Remember Obama said never underestimate Joe's ability to mess things up?
alex stein
And they knew that Hunter was smoking crack forever ago when he was vice president.
The FBI found a rental car with crack cocaine.
ashley st clair
It's also because he was vlogging all of it.
tim pool
All right, Alehad says, Tim, I love you, but you're wrong about the posting on Twitter.
In Twitter, you have to search to get that type of content.
It's not promoted like Google.
I did not say it was promoted.
If you post something on Twitter, it is available to the public.
That would be akin to putting up a big poster in the front window of your home.
Yes, people have to go and find it, but it is still readily displayed to the public, and you can't do that.
It is a crime.
ian crossland
What if you have it in, like, a pile of trash out on your front lawn?
There's, like, a picture, a nude picture, but it's stacked in a big pile of papers, and some kid goes up to it and sifts through the papers and finds it.
tim pool
Yeah, that's different, because if you threw it away, I think that's... But we can create a million different scenarios, and ultimately it's just, ask the judge.
ian crossland
Ask some random guy that happens to be a judge.
tim pool
That's how it works.
ian crossland
That maybe didn't even have the internet when he was a kid.
tim pool
Yep, because this is how the law works.
The law is human beings who make mistakes.
It is remarkable to me, especially when you see in movies where someone will be like, did you sign the contract?
I did.
You're screwed.
Oh, that new show.
The Black Mirror episode.
Did you see the Black Mirror?
Did you watch the new Black Mirror?
alex stein
Did a new season come out?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex stein
Oh, I love Black Mirror.
I haven't seen the new season.
tim pool
The new season is just a series of horror movies.
The first episode is a Black Mirror.
The rest is just horror movies.
So I enjoyed it.
It's not Black Mirror, though.
It's just horror movies.
ian crossland
Oh, it's a new kind of show like Black Mirror.
tim pool
No, no, it is Black Mirror.
alex stein
It's called Black Mirror.
ian crossland
The creator wasn't comfortable doing the dystopian stuff, so he's kind of changed gears.
tim pool
But in the first episode, there is a, I'm not going to spoil the story for you if you haven't seen it, there is a woman and she has her lawyer going over her contract and she goes, how can they do this to me?
And he goes, that's right here in the contract.
He goes, but what?
Are you kidding?
That's in there too?
Yep.
Well, then I'll do this.
Nope, that's in the contract as well.
Well, gee gosh darn it, I guess they got me.
That's not how law works.
You can be like, good luck enforcing that contract.
There are companies that have non-competes in New York.
You go before a judge, he'll be like, nah, tear it and throw it in the garbage bag.
It's done.
I've said so.
People don't understand that A judge can literally just be like, nope, have a nice day.
They don't like being overruled in appeals and things like that, so they try to be correct, but it's a human being who says, I don't think the law was intending that, so get out.
ian crossland
We should get some judges on the show.
alex stein
But you know where that's a real big deal, though, Tim, is where the parent's getting divorced and one parent wants to transition their kid behind their back, and it's a judge who gets to decide, you know, who's right and who's wrong.
Yeah, literally.
So it's, you know, some judge that has nothing in, you know, Sean says, ATF's frame and receiver rule was vacated.
tim pool
The ATF tried to regulate the sale of 80% receivers, which aren't firearms by law.
Firearms policy coalition just kept bending the ATF over a barrel.
Does that mean that guy, uh, what was this?
Uh, there are people who got arrested over that, weren't there?
Are they, are they going to get their charges dropped now?
You could buy kits where it was legally not a gun, and then you could get the parts to make and build your own gun, and they started going after people for it, so... Interesting.
Two A's winning across the board.
unidentified
Let's grab some more super chats.
tim pool
Another man says, from what I know, a lot of women get put on the pill to help with endometriosis.
Luckily, my sister said no.
What is that?
unidentified
What is endometriosis?
ashley st clair
Endometriosis is a rather painful condition, and it helps some women.
hannah claire brimelow
I believe scar tissue developing along your uterus.
ashley st clair
Yeah, so it makes your time of the month very painful.
hannah claire brimelow
It can cause infertility, things like that.
ashley st clair
And that's helpful for some women, and if that's the trade-off they want.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think you have to weigh the cost.
The problem with birth control is that women aren't really informed about the cost of birth control.
So if you have extreme pain because of endometriosis, maybe this is the best course of action.
But if you have bad cramping because you're not getting enough of a vitamin and they never test your vitamin levels, then probably birth control is not worth the risk.
ashley st clair
It helps with cysts, too, birth control.
But, you know, they should know.
hannah claire brimelow
But it also is linked to an increased risk of cervical cancer and breast cancer.
We have to weigh the risks.
Yes.
And it can't just be like, oh, you might gain weight, because I think that's the biggest risk that doctors warn women about, which is not enough.
ian crossland
Endometriosis is a condition where the tissue similar to the lining of the uterus grows outside of the uterus.
That's what it is.
alex stein
Oh, and that's another side effect of SSRIs is sometimes you overeat, weight gain, so that's not good if you're depressed to get fatter.
tim pool
Alright, TKZ Graham says, while I'm for minimizing kids watching porn, jail for posting porn on Twitter is a bit much, why not just ban the account?
My response to this is, I find it remarkable that our society has eroded to the point where that is the assessment.
That, well, it's only people, you know, posting pictures of lewd and lascivious activities in public that kids can find, but maybe we should just ask them to stop.
It's like, okay, if that's your position, fine, but understand, 20 years ago, you'd get arrested if you did something like that.
ian crossland
What if it's a kid that posts it?
tim pool
You get arrested for it.
ian crossland
Arrest them, throw them in juvie, or throw them in, like, a full penitentiary.
tim pool
Like, dude, if you commit a crime, you get... Look, if you don't like the law, then change the law.
Don't just be like, we've decided not to enforce it.
Only here, though.
That makes no sense.
Like, you know, Ian, the interpretation of the law is not an argument.
Like, you know, you're like, OK, I know it's the law, but what if this happened?
What if this happened?
What if this happened?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, because we're kind of talking about the morality of the law and the Internet.
It's so new.
So we need new laws.
tim pool
So I'll give you an example.
ian crossland
Enforce them.
tim pool
The law says that you can't take pictures of children and, you know, lewd pictures of children and share them.
So they've begun arresting teenagers for posting on Snapchat.
ian crossland
Yeah, even if a kid, if someone under 18, sends a picture of themselves to someone, they're distributing child porn.
tim pool
The law does not say, not of you, there's no exception for it.
So they've arrested kids for this stuff.
And then judges need to, and they have, said, okay, no, the purpose of a judge is to be like, the law is not intending to destroy the lives of children because they're doing dumb things on the internet.
They'll get a slap on the wrist, don't post this stuff again, but it's very, very different from what we're trying to stop.
ashley st clair
Well, in states like Massachusetts, they're trying to just totally make it okay for peer-to-peers to send nudes to engage in sexual intercourse.
ian crossland
Of any age?
alex stein
Not any age.
Tim, you'll like this.
ashley st clair
I think it's like 12 or 13.
alex stein
So there's this girl, Michelle Evans, I'll just tell the story real quick.
She's actually being charged in Travis County because she was at the protests at the Capitol in Texas and she just took a picture of a trans person in the bathroom.
They weren't peeing, they were at the sink.
And because it is legal to take a picture of a person in the bathroom, even though she didn't take it, she transferred it and transmitted it.
She's being charged.
unidentified
Wow.
ashley st clair
Wait, is that the photo where there was...
alex stein
No, it's just a trans person in the capital, in the capital, the Texas state capital, and they were just using the sink.
And because it was a picture in a bathroom, even though it wasn't pornographic, she's being charged.
tim pool
MichaelTB says, Tim, you're wrong on the doctor thing.
There are many dirty doctors out there.
If you're not rich or you're in an insurance plan, you don't have the choice.
And then Jason Hudgeson says, Tim is arguing ownership of self, of mind, and termination, and everyone else is going, Ree, someone should do the work for me because I want them to.
alex stein
You know whose doctor I'd go to?
I'd go to Prince Philip's or George Soros' doctor.
Or Bill Gates.
Maybe not Bill Gates, but Prince Philip, he lived to what, like 109?
Or whatever, 101?
Wow.
tim pool
Good doctor.
alex stein
Yeah, that's whose doctor I want.
But he's probably a lizard, so it doesn't matter.
ian crossland
I like talking to doctors about meditation.
tim pool
They like it.
I can't stand defeatism.
If there's only one in a thousand doctors who are good, it is your responsibility to call the thousand doctors so you find them.
Ain't nobody gonna do it for you.
ian crossland
Prince Philip was 100.
Almost.
alex stein
99.
Pretty good.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
I agree.
When people are scared and they are going to a doctor and they feel like they have to make a split-second decision because their body's health is on the line, that's when I worry the most that bad information can really screw someone.
So you gotta just stay calm.
There's no rush.
alex stein
Yeah, because listen, there are doctors that can help you out.
I'm not saying every single doctor, you know, wants you dead.
I don't believe that at all.
I'm just saying, generally, these doctors don't have... They don't have... They're not legally allowed to actually, basically, doctor with their mind.
They have to follow certain protocols.
And if they don't, they lose their livelihood.
So that's why I don't trust them.
tim pool
There were doctors in the past that would prescribe drinking mercury.
alex stein
I know, and one says you should prescribe cocaine.
I'm trying to find one now.
I wish I had a time machine.
tim pool
I just say this, you know, I remember the story where some kid had a genetic disease and there was a cure for it and it cost a million bucks.
So the family sued the state being like, you have to give it to us because, you know,
we, the kid, because it exists.
And the state was like, we would have to get, we don't have the money to do something like this.
So my answer is, you are not entitled to any doctor.
You're not entitled to a good doctor.
You're not entitled to good medical care.
You're entitled to what you work hard to find.
And if that means every doctor is really bad, but one is one degree better.
It is your responsibility to find the doctor who's better than the rest.
alex stein
Well, in Canada, you're entitled to it.
tim pool
You're literally not, though.
ian crossland
Well, what about entitled to fire department?
tim pool
The government saying you can go in and get a service does not mean you'll get good service.
Yeah, I know you're gonna get terrible service, but... And so you have no guarantee towards good health care.
alex stein
Like, if you broke your arm, you know, you wouldn't, like, this is the problem.
There's people that are afraid to call an ambulance, and they'll call an Uber to go to the emergency room.
tim pool
Well, I don't disagree with you.
Right, but my point is, you're not actually entitled to anything.
alex stein
I get what you're saying, yeah.
tim pool
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alex stein
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ashley st clair
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Thanks, Tim.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hankler Brimelow.
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Thank you so much.
ian crossland
Yes.
Thank you, guys.
I'm Ian Cross, and that was so fun.
I want to do this uncensored.
Please.
Please!
Please, let's do this uncensored.
alex stein
Well, to that point, every vaccine is safe and effective.
We just want to make that.
It's all safe and effective.
ian crossland
Uncensored.
Where it gets hot and heavy and real.
tim pool
It's Friday.
ian crossland
I think, we're not doing an uncensored one tonight, but what I've been thinking lately is like, if we're fully uncensored, we might not get the ad revenue, but we'll get more subscribers.
Like 10 bucks a month.
So maybe it would be wise to just go full hog.
tim pool
That's why we do both.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Uh, we also have Kellan, am I right?
unidentified
Yeah, the uncensored ones are fun, but I feel like we're not that spicy in general, you know?
Maybe we are, maybe we are not, I'm not... Anyway, follow me at KellanPDL, this one was a fun one.
ian crossland
You only said that because I was looking at him.
tim pool
Alright everybody, thanks for hanging out, it's been a blast.
Uh, we'll be back...
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