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June 28, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Trump Audio Leak HOAX, Trump NOT CHARGED In Iran Docs, Media Lying w/Michael Seifert
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tim pool
So the other day, you know, I said that we could start by talking about this audio leak
of Donald Trump that CNN put out.
But I said, you know, the rule is you gotta wait a couple days before you do because the context will always change.
The narrative was that Donald Trump was caught on tape saying he had these documents and they were classified.
Then, the leak comes out.
Everybody hears it.
The View and many others say this is damning evidence.
Trump's gonna go to jail.
This is proof positive.
Now we're learning that the whole story was a hoax.
Sure, the audio exists.
Donald Trump was talking about declassifying certain stories.
But it appears now that Donald Trump wasn't actually holding classified documents in the audio.
He was talking about a news report that had come out a few days earlier.
And Trump is not being charged in relation to anything having to do with the Iran memo.
So the only thing we can surmise, Donald Trump is telling the truth when he says in the recording, when you hear him flipping through papers, he's talking about a New Yorker story and saying he should have declassified the intel behind the story.
And the media running with the lies.
So they say the walls are closing in, but they're not.
It's all fake news.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, we've got a whole bunch more news.
Joe Biden's got dementia, I guess.
He's saying that Putin's losing the war in Iraq.
I guess that makes sense, considering he doesn't have any divisions or battalions in Iraq.
So, okay, I guess technically that's true.
And then you've got Bud Light's, Anheuser-Busch's CEO, coming out saying they're actually paying distributors now.
They're giving money to them.
They're effectively paying people to carry their beer.
That's how bad things have gotten because they're being hurt by the boycott.
So we'll talk about all those stories.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Michael Seifert.
michael seifert
How's it going?
Glad to be here.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
michael seifert
My name is Michael Seifert.
I am the founder and CEO of Public Square, which is a proud supporter of this show and the country and the Constitution and the values that it protects.
We're the nation's largest marketplace of businesses that do not hate you.
So if you're a patriotic American who loves the Constitution and the values that it protects, We have over 55,000 businesses from all over the country that have agreed with that set of values and would love to serve you.
They give you discounts for going there.
It's a pretty cool marketplace.
You can find it at publicsq.com.
We launched nationwide just less than a year ago.
We've got over a million consumer members on the platform and glad to be here supporting the parallel economy.
tim pool
Absolutely, man.
We think what you guys do is absolutely fantastic.
michael seifert
Thanks, man.
tim pool
So everybody should download the Public Square app, if you haven't already, so that you can start supporting businesses that don't hate you.
And we'll win that parallel economy, so thanks for hanging out.
michael seifert
It's been fun.
tim pool
Let's go.
michael seifert
Yeah, thank you.
tim pool
We've got Hannah Clare hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
phil labonte
How you doing?
I am Phil Abate, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
Here with my friend Serge.
hannah claire brimelow
I should introduce you, I guess, in between.
I'm sorry, this is just occurring to me.
phil labonte
There's nothing wrong with what you said.
unidentified
Yeah, it was fine.
I am Serge.com.
michael seifert
I am ready to start when you are, Tim.
tim pool
Let's jump into this story.
We saw this last night.
From The View, they say, as a mediaite reporting, lock him up already.
The View gets wild as hosts suggest Trump selling documents predict he gets 10 years in prison.
So I want to give you this context first.
Here's what they say.
I mean, short of this judge fundamentally screwing up the case, I don't see how he gets less than five to ten years.
He's literally in this.
He discusses the contents of classified information with people without security clearances and then acknowledges he can't declassify since he's not president.
Heavens!
They got him!
They got him.
I knew that if we waited a day, the context around the leaked audio would come out and it would debunk the narrative.
And lo, it has.
From CBS News, Iran memo not among the 31 records underlying charges in Trump federal indictment.
It would seem that the context around this story is actually relatively clear.
Jack Posobiec tweets, DOJ claims Trump is on tape showing classified docs on July 21st.
The docs have never been found.
But six days before on July 15th, the New Yorker had an article where Milley accused Trump of wanting to strike Iran.
Is it possible he was just holding the article?
Donald Trump had said that he had in his documents newspaper clippings and other things like that.
In the audio, I can understand, even I thought initially, it does sound like he's holding these documents.
Donald Trump said immediately of that recording, he's like, these are magazine clippings.
These are copies of news reports.
Now it's all starting to become clear.
Donald Trump did have classified documents to some degree or whatever at Mar-a-Lago.
This was in Bedminster.
They didn't find the documents.
Why would Trump get rid of these but keep those?
It makes no sense.
Trump not being charged with the Iran memo documents, the DOJ not finding Iran memo documents, a story coming out about Milley, and Donald Trump saying he was holding the story?
Yeah, the most likely outcome is that Trump is sitting with this reporter and he's like, take a look at these papers.
You know, this is what they give me.
And he's pointing to a story from the New Yorker and he says, I should have declassified this, I can't now.
He wasn't talking about classified documents, he was saying the proof behind the lies.
He could have declassified and debunked the story.
So!
It would seem that everything they're saying about locking up Trump, once again, just another, the walls are closing in, bombshell report, all lies as predicted.
michael seifert
Didn't, by the way, The View, like two days ago, in response to Hunter Biden's leaked WhatsApp messages, say that the true story of Hunter Biden and his father Joe Biden's corruption was a story of a father's love for his son and overcoming addiction?
So while that's their response to blatant corruption that we're actually seeing in leaked WhatsApp messages where Hunter is literally telling a Chinese official, I'm sitting here with my father, send us the money, that gets released and instead The View jumps on this story without the facts.
It all crumbles, as it always does, and we play the same reel over and over and over again.
tim pool
I want to pull up the document from the Trump indictment.
Take a look at this.
This is how corrupt the DOJ is.
They say that Trump no longer was president, gave an interview at the office of Bedminster, blah, blah, blah.
He was recorded with Trump's knowledge and consent.
Before the interview, the media published reports at the end of Trump's term, a senior military official purportedly feared that Trump might order an attack on country A. Take a look at Trump's quote.
We now know senior military official is Milley.
We know country A is Iran.
Trump said, well, with Milley, let me see that.
I'll show you an example.
He said that I wanted to attack Iran.
Isn't it amazing?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
If Donald Trump was holding a classified document, the document would not read, Milley accuses Trump of wanting to attack Iran.
It would say, proposal for attack on Iran.
Or Donald Trump, you know... Or Millie's reasons not to.
Yeah, it would be a document explaining.
Instead Trump says, I'll show you an example.
He said I wanted to attack Iran.
And then you have the New Yorker story.
Millie says Trump wanted to attack Iran.
It is actually kind of clear based on what Trump said.
He's talking about a news report.
They're just lying about everything.
And here we are once again having to call this out.
Now look, I'll say this.
It's entirely possible.
I'll always, although it's not absolute, maybe this goes to court and they're like, no, actually it really was a document, but they have no document.
They found no document.
Trump says there was no document.
The story just come out.
This is insane.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, sometimes you have to take the simplest explanation, which is that the left-wing media wants Trump to be a terrible person.
And I think, obviously, without context, you can frame anything anybody says to give it a negative light.
But in this case, all you needed was very slight information to make it clear what was going on.
tim pool
The way I describe it is like, imagine there's some kid playing Grand Theft Auto, and he's talking about his plans, and then you take a quote, a recording of a kid playing GTA, and it will sound like this kid's gonna be a maniac.
Talking about stealing cars and kidnapping people, and you're like, oh man, someone's gotta stop this kid!
and then you go in his room and it's just some 12 year old kid playing GTA.
This is basically what they do. Because no one can see what Trump is actually
doing, they twist the context. Listen to the paperwork.
Trump's saying he could declassify these papers. He was talking about the story
behind the story. The documents behind the story could have been declassified. He
can't do it now because he's not in office. He doesn't have the documents
hannah claire brimelow
anymore.
michael seifert
Well I was just gonna say, well and the problem even for the left that loves to jump on
any stuff like this, it's the boy who cried wolf at this point.
So everybody's assumption anytime anything like this gets quote unquote exposed is that it's just another bureaucratic nonsense.
The left's coming after Trump and Trump probably didn't actually do anything that was wrong.
And this is another one of those examples where it looks Potentially bad, because they're only revealing part of the story.
And so, part of the problem is, nobody trusts our institutions anymore.
So, it's the same thing now we're seeing with actual corruption with the president that's in office.
phil labonte
To be fair, can we really call The View our institutions?
No, we can't.
That's a group of empty-headed people.
michael seifert
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
But it's been around for a long time.
A lot of people watch it, I think.
I'm not totally sure.
phil labonte
There are a lot of wine moms that have nothing to do And that's where they're getting their information.
hannah claire brimelow
So now they're hearing that Trump obviously 100% did a terrible thing, and they won't look for the nuance.
I think that's the biggest thing.
phil labonte
White women must be stopped!
hannah claire brimelow
We're crazy, what can I say?
tim pool
Can I play this 20-second clip from Family Guy to help you guys understand the view?
This is important context, and I'm providing commentary on this clip, so I want you all to watch this clip.
Oh, can we get the audio?
Yeah, audio's on the wrong channel.
unidentified
Hey, Stewie, three o'clock.
Time for the view.
No, no, no!
No, not again!
Nyeh, let me out of here!
I can't watch another second!
tim pool
So my favorite part of the gag is when the woman balks and then she gets up and there's an egg and the camera zooms in on the egg.
Very, very well done joke family guy.
That's basically what The View is.
So, uh, fair point, Phil.
We can't call The View one of our institutions.
michael seifert
But it is sad that all of our actual institutions don't look that different than The View.
New York Times is posting pretty much the same content.
The DOJ says the same thing The View says on the same days.
It's insane.
phil labonte
You're 100% right.
And it's something that I've talked about before.
It's not just something like The View and The New York Times.
It goes to Teen Vogue.
So it's not just about one narrative coming from one perspective or whatever.
Why would Teen Vogue have the same kind of stories that GQ runs?
And they really do.
They all come from the same perspective.
tim pool
But hold on, remember when Teen Vogue ran that, like, Marks Puff piece?
phil labonte
Yeah!
tim pool
Like, what's going on at Teen Vogue?
michael seifert
Commies everywhere!
hannah claire brimelow
Teen Vogue ran a What to Do to Help Your Friend Who Just Had an Abortion, and they suggested you get funny movies and pins that support Planned Parenthood.
Teen Vogue is a classic.
They're really helpful, and they're helping.
But they pass it off as, well, we are making news palatable to younger readers so we can raise more informed people.
But we only want them to be informed in our perspective, and that's effectively what all of these institutions do, right?
They don't want you to follow.
No one is going to issue a correction.
The view is not going to come out and be like, turns out there was more context, you know, we jumped to conclusions.
They're just going to pretend like they were right all along or like this never happened until they think they have some sort of actual evidence.
I mean, compare this leaked audio to actual WhatsApp messages.
One is clear and one is taken out of context.
phil labonte
They're probably gandus and they're literally thirsty for just a drop of some way to cast Trump as the bad guy.
michael seifert
Well, Anne, the problem with what that exact scenario just laid out is that anybody that actually reports the WhatsApp messages with Hunter Biden is now labeled conservative media.
So it's like, no, no, no, we're not conservative media.
This is just objectively what happened.
Vice President Sun is literally texting this Chinese official saying we've got your money if you're...
But now if you report that you're seen as right-wing. So like, I know people real well in my life that were like
80s blue dog Democrats that were taught to trust our institutions. You listen to CNN, you watch
these shows, you read Time magazine, and that's supposed to be the reliable forms. Well now,
anytime anybody's reporting the truth they write it off because it's like, well no that's conservative
right-wing news and I don't, you know, I don't want to get involved in the political divide.
So they just take whatever the regime is saying, because they have these mouthpieces, and they never actually get exposed to the truth.
That's why when you tell people like, hey, Biden actually said this, they're like, nah, that wouldn't be real, or else I would have known about it.
phil labonte
There's a lot of that going on.
And it's been going on for a long time.
When, I think it was 2000, 18 or something like that.
I and I was talking about Biden had said That there that he was going to come after rifles.
They were AKs and and and then AR-15s and friends of mine that are You know pretty left-leaning.
We're swearing up and down.
No, they don't know they don't know he didn't and I'm like I literally had to send them links and they were like they actually had to be like wow, okay Well, that's a terrible idea for him to say that cuz he's gonna I'm like, well, yeah, but it's you don't know even what The people that you ostensibly are going to be voting for are saying, so how can you consider yourself an informed voter?
hannah claire brimelow
Did you have a moment where you stopped trusting the media?
Do you remember?
phil labonte
Oh yeah, but it was a long time ago.
hannah claire brimelow
What was it?
Tell me.
phil labonte
Yellow Cake.
hannah claire brimelow
What was that?
phil labonte
Yellow Cake Uranium in Iraq.
That was when I was like, okay.
Because initially, when I was young, I kind of thought Bill Clinton was cool.
He played sax and smoked pot.
He was a hip guy!
I was a kid, and so I thought he was alright.
When, uh, when it came out that he had, you know, lied under oath and stuff and impeachment, I figured that he was going to get removed from office because the president's supposed to be held to higher standards.
And then when he wasn't, I was like, oh, well, then that means that, and this is a simple mind to take, I understand, but I was young.
That means the Democrats are the lying party and the Republicans are the party that tells the truth.
And then we went to, you know, eight years later, we were in Iraq and I'm like, wait a minute, they both lie.
So I can't trust any of them.
And the media had sold both of them as No, that's a Democrat.
Is that Berman Supreme?
Yeah, Berman's a Democrat.
tim pool
He hangs out with the Libertarians now.
party is the party where the guy takes his pants off on stage and they start arguing
about selling drugs to kids.
phil labonte
Or walks around with a boot on his head.
tim pool
No, that's a Democrat.
phil labonte
He probably actually runs.
michael seifert
Is that Berman Supreme?
tim pool
Yeah, Berman's a Democrat.
phil labonte
He hangs out with the Libertarians now.
tim pool
Yeah, but he runs as a Democrat.
phil labonte
Oh, thank God.
tim pool
Like, you know, it's not fair to include the satirical candidate into the legitimate Libertarian
Party candidates who actually have taken their clothes off on stage and advocate for selling
drugs to kids.
But the Libertarian Party has improved dramatically with the Mises Caucus, so we're big fans of those guys, and they're a much more serious political party now, so we'll see how that, you know, how that plays out.
It's gonna be interesting, I mean, Let's jump to this story first.
I was going to pull up a different story, but let's pull this one up.
From Rasmussen, 35% of Democrats think RFK Jr.
could win.
The latest Rasmussen report, national telephone, and online survey found 49% of likely U.S.
voters have a favorable impression of RFK Jr., including 14% with a very favorable opinion.
38 percent view Kennedy unfavorably, including 18 percent, with a very unfavorable impression, while another 14 are not sure.
So, uh, this is it.
You know, we're not, we're not, we don't have the rest of the data.
That's, that's the general idea right here.
RFK Jr.' 's polling in the double digits.
We're seeing something interesting.
A lot of people have suggested this could be our last election, both on the left and the right, or maybe Maybe 2020 was our last sort of election, I guess, with ballot harvesting and all the rules being changed and COVID lockdown, can you really even call it?
Maybe 2016 was the last.
Because whatever's coming up in 2024, it'll approximate an election like 2020 did, but it's going to be very, very weird.
So, there will be something, but you're going to have, what, RFK Jr., Trump?
I mean, who are the candidates going to be?
The fact is, DeSantis people don't want to vote Trump, Trump people don't want to vote DeSantis, they are fighting to an extreme degree.
You've got the media smearing RFK Jr.
to an extreme degree, but he's polling in double digits, consistently around 20%.
It seems like the system's starting to fracture in a bunch of different ways.
So it's hard to know exactly who's going to win.
But I did see another poll that said Democrats are more likely to vote third party than Republicans, which suggests a Trump victory.
Because if RFK Jr.
runs as an independent, you know, not getting the Democratic nomination, or if they put Biden in, then it will split the Democrat vote.
michael seifert
Do you think RFK Jr.
would run as an independent, or will he pull a Bernie?
hannah claire brimelow
There's all kinds of reports that he's considering running independent.
He hasn't told me personally what he's going to do, but he might as well.
I mean, he has so much momentum.
There's no reason, if he has the funding, there's no reason for him not to.
michael seifert
And do you think the Democrats would let him touch the debate stage?
unidentified
No.
michael seifert
You don't think so?
tim pool
No, of course not.
I mean, look, they cut Andrew Yang's microphone off.
Remember that?
phil labonte
That was hilarious.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, you can't put Biden on a debate stage.
There's no way that he would be able to.
I mean, already, I'm trying to find the numbers right now, but a significant number of Democrats feel Biden is too old.
So yes, there's infighting the Republicans, but the Democrats don't want their most likely incumbent nominee right now.
I mean, this is not looking good for me, and I'm not a political consultant by any means.
RFK can only benefit.
Even if he doesn't end up being the Democratic nominee, why not just push forward?
So many moderates are looking at him like, hey, this guy's interesting.
The same way that there were moderates who didn't think of themselves as any particular party who ended up voting for Trump because they felt like he represented something, I think RFK in some way could win ground back for the Democrats.
Not every single one, but I think that he represents something the Democrats haven't had in a long time.
phil labonte
There's a lot of boomers I think that would appeal to him, or that he would appeal to, just because of the fact that he's a Kennedy.
Adrienne Curry made this great, or called him this great thing, and I picked it up from her, the son of Camelot.
There's a lot of people that are older, older Gen X and boomers that still harken back to that, you know, the Camelot era, the way that they looked at the Kennedys and all that stuff.
And a lot of the stuff that he's saying is the stuff that people that are fairly anti-government get into.
He's got a lot of influence, even in the Libertarian Party, which personally I don't understand it so much, other than his anti-war and anti...
pharmaceutical stance, or at least skepticism, but I do think that he would appeal to a significant
hannah claire brimelow
portion of the older Democrats. Yeah, he doesn't have the same progressive edge in some ways. I
mean, look at what's going on right now. He is spending all of his time in New Hampshire.
He's focused there. Where is Biden going to concentrate?
South Carolina.
The DCCC is already saying we want South Carolina to primary first and this is really upsetting New Hampshire's voters and they are saying you are going to give the state to Republicans.
Obviously they don't carry a lot of electoral votes.
On the other hand, they are traditionally the first in the nation.
So Kennedy saying I'm going to focus on you guys, you are the state that I will pay attention to shows an interest in keeping with some traditions and some balances of power that the Biden wing of the Democrat party is willing to abandon.
tim pool
What if it is RFK?
I mean, you look, Biden can't campaign.
He can't travel around the country.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I mean, the big news, which we'll get into in a second, is that he's got CPAP marks on his face now.
He's 80 years old.
Dude is unwell.
And we've known he's been he's got metal plates in his head.
He can't talk straight.
He can't travel around this country.
R.F.K.
Jr.
unidentified
can.
tim pool
What is he, 69 years old?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He's also fit.
Got that video of him, you know, doing the... He's lifting.
michael seifert
Benchpressing.
tim pool
Benchpressing.
And, uh...
He's gonna be able to go around and get votes.
He's gonna be able to build his profile.
He does have a difficult time speaking, though, with all due respect, and that matters, but he's still gonna be able to get those ideas across.
He's still gonna be able to go on podcasts, do town halls.
Biden cannot.
How could Gavin Newsom beat someone like RFK Jr.?
hannah claire brimelow
True.
And I think even with, I'm not sure what to call it, maybe a speech impediment, You hear it once, you get used to it.
With Biden, he just doesn't have any actual cohesive thoughts.
It would be terrifying to put him on a debate stage.
michael seifert
He doesn't have a speech impediment.
The lights are literally out.
Whereas RFK Jr.
is a really smart guy.
Tucker last night came out and basically made the prediction on his Twitter show that it's going to be Gavin Newsom.
And as a Californian, that scares me to death.
Like, you think R.F.K.
Jr.
could be Gavin?
tim pool
Yes.
michael seifert
Really?
tim pool
Absolutely.
Okay, why?
michael seifert
Do you think the establishment would let that happen?
tim pool
Well, no, no, no.
I'm saying, if you were to place Gavin... If the people got to decide.
Yeah, if you put Gavin to someone's stage with R.F.K.
Jr., R.F.K.
Jr.
wins, no question.
michael seifert
I totally agree with that.
tim pool
Now, whether or not the establishment, the machine, the media would allow something like that to happen is an entirely different question.
But I think in terms of... I think Trump would have a hard time debating R.F.K.
Jr.
RFK Jr.
is doing a fantastic job.
He's got Trump supporters being like, we like this guy.
And people actually saying Trump RFK Jr., Trump Kennedy is the ticket.
michael seifert
Yeah, which would be legendary.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean seriously.
Massive.
michael seifert
I mean RFK Jr.
tim pool
would be great.
phil labonte
If Elon's right about it being the funniest outcome being the most likely, then bring it on.
michael seifert
Then Trump Kennedy.
Well, he got that Twitter Spaces where he had Kelly Slater on it, Tulsi Gabbard, like all of these people that sort of represent this anti-establishment wing that's not even tied to a political party, it's just a cultural sentiment happening.
So when you have the best surfer in the world that's getting on Twitter Spaces... Oh, like Kelly Slater?
Yeah, dude, he was invited to the Spaces.
And so, when you have the best surfer in the world, like, backing a political candidate, then Jack Dorsey comes out and offers that support, too.
So, it's a very interesting coalition he's building.
And, uh, it is interesting, though.
You go back to the libertarian side of him, on issues like pharmaceuticals.
He is pro-2A, at least he says.
But then he's hype- Not always.
Not always.
And there are old clips that are coming out now where he's like, okay, dude.
But on top of that, like, he's super big government on issues of environmentalism.
It's like, okay, so are you a Green New Deal president?
Because that's- Yeah, he probably is.
tim pool
And there are a lot of people who are probably saying, yes, I want that.
There are probably a lot of Democrats who know that Biden can't win and absolutely would vote for RFK Jr., probably older ones.
The younger ones, they just believe whatever they hear in the media and it's laughably sad.
Not all of them, but a lot of them.
It is a kind of weird thing, right?
You find like older Democrats won't believe you when you tell them what the media says, and younger Democrats believe whatever the media says.
hannah claire brimelow
It's because they were raised on TV.
Their parents have been putting them in front of the TV.
They just trust it.
It's like having another adult in their lives.
I also think they have made it so distrusting the media is a right-wing thing, and so if it's trendy to be left-wing, you can't... you have to trust.
tim pool
It's what you were saying.
If Joe Biden Hypothetically, he's in his bathroom and stumbles out of the shower to grab his dog's tail and then breaks his ankle.
If you report that in any way that's negative, they'll call you right-wing.
michael seifert
And by the way, shouldn't everybody be concerned about his age?
If he were to run again, he'd be 85 at the end of his next term.
tim pool
There's no way he can run.
hannah claire brimelow
He's going to beat his own record as the nation's oldest president.
tim pool
But we've long speculated that they will criminally charge Joe Biden.
He will get indicted and he will get arrested, maybe on the documents, maybe on the corruption.
And then they'll say, we're not biased.
We're going after Trump and Joe Biden, clearing the way for someone like Newsom.
hannah claire brimelow
538 has them at a 54.8% disapproval rating right now and a 4% approval.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
It's like historically bad.
It's like I think only only behind Carter.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
I mean, it's awful, and it's been awful all the time, and he's not doing anything to make it better.
I mean, right now, he's on his tour about broadband internet, which is interesting and great, but you actually can't have him talk at all because, and this feels so disrespectful to say, but he is ill.
He is not okay.
phil labonte
He is not capable of being compelling to an audience.
hannah claire brimelow
Even with, which should be a slam dunk, this broadband tour, you know, he can't win support because the more he's in public, the more people become concerned.
phil labonte
I think that part of the reason, I think, I don't think that that's a compelling issue for the American people.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, I don't think, you really think the broad... Just because, especially after COVID, there were so many rural communities that struggled while everyone else, you just do things online and communities like, like I think of West Virginia and all the mountains, like you could not have school online because there is not, there are communities that don't have internet at home.
tim pool
And it took us six months to get internet at both locations.
It's insane.
And it cost tens of thousands of dollars to get them to actually trench and then lay the lines down to the node or whatever.
It was nuts.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm not saying it's like the single biggest issue, but I do think it makes a difference, especially if you're a state that wants to develop business.
I mean, you might be able to speak to this more, but If you're trying to lure young people in, you're saying, oh, you can work remotely now.
Well, then you need guaranteed solid internet access.
So it's not enough to have affordable housing or people to buy land.
If you cannot work from home, then the idea that you would move to a rural state like West Virginia, Maine, Wyoming to a certain extent, you're stuck.
phil labonte
I feel like there are issues that are more motivating, that are more top of mind with people.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm not saying it's the only issue.
I'm just saying I think it does make a big difference, especially in the post-COVID era.
phil labonte
Because I feel like people now are still feeling pressure from inflation and I do think that one of the things that's most salient, most pressing on people's minds is the stuff with this year's Pride Month.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah in June in particular.
phil labonte
Yeah again like I said I was I was out in California a couple weeks ago talking to my friends that are not you know super politically active and they are talking about the you know the things that are going on in schools and stuff that's going on at Target and that's something because it deals with kids and parents are laser focused on the thing that is going to most make them
anxious or concerned about their kids.
And I think that that kind of stuff is the stuff that if he were going to be able to
produce a compelling message that could help his his numbers, I feel like that's where
it would be.
And I don't think that he is in a in a place where I don't think the Democrats at all are
in a place where they could actually say, look, we do condemn these types of things.
And I think that that's probably one of the reasons why he's got such bad poll numbers.
tim pool
I think, ladies and gentlemen, I think Joe Biden might maybe.
Not long for this world.
And it breaks my heart.
It breaks my heart.
Look, we know the guy's 80, and these photos have emerged showing strange markings on his face.
The guy's 80.
We know he's got health issues.
He's already passed the life expectancy for the average US male.
I think it's like 79 years old.
He's 80 now, I believe, right?
So these images pop up showing these marks on his face and of course everyone is concerned as to what this may be.
The media is reporting that he is now using a CPAP machine because he suffers from sleep apnea.
I believe they're lying.
I believe what's more likely is that he's an old man, he's probably on oxygen.
They're probably supplementing him, and they're probably using these bands as a way to obfuscate what's actually going on with his failing body.
They claimed that his gaffes, speech impediment.
He doesn't have one.
You listen to him talking in the 90s, he was speaking just fine.
Then they say, oh, but when he was younger, he did, and now that he's getting older, it's coming back.
No, he's just, he's getting older.
That's just it.
Sure, fine.
Call it whatever you want.
phil labonte
It's still because of age, right?
The argument they're making is, oh, he's getting older, so now it's coming back.
Well, yeah.
The point of making a comment about the stutter is because of his age.
That's ridiculous.
tim pool
But take a look at this.
I mean, he's got these markings on both sides of his face.
And, you know, look.
How long do those markings stay pressed into his face?
Did he wake up literally right before he went out for his flight?
Took off the mask and had the marks on his face?
The dude is unwell.
So in speaking about whether or not he can run in 2024, I don't think there's a question.
He can't.
hannah claire brimelow
No, he really can't.
michael seifert
Well, and I think your strongest case for the oxygen argument is that it almost looks like any moment he's not in front of people, he has to have something strapped to his face.
tim pool
He's got IV marks on his hands at one point.
michael seifert
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
And I'll stress this, they mention that, let me pull up the caption, his sleep apnea has been public knowledge since 2008.
And he wasn't using a CPAP machine?
Only now he is?
I don't buy it.
unidentified
No.
hannah claire brimelow
No, also, people who have sleep apnea wear it while they're sleeping, from what I understand, not while they're just sitting at their desk in their office.
michael seifert
Yes.
tim pool
Well, this is a picture from him in the morning about to get on some plane, but the question is, did he just wake up?
He's wearing a suit.
How long did it take him to put that suit on, and how long would those markings stay on your face?
I can't imagine they'd stand his face that long.
phil labonte
His suit actually goes on like the Iron Man suit.
unidentified
You just stand him up and the stuff just gets thrown on him.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I mean, part of what's happening with Biden, I have always found it annoying that the mainstream media treats it like it's super normal, that he spends basically all of his weekends at one of his two private residences, and that the White House made this big shot of being like, we're so transparent, here are the White House visitor logs, but we don't know who goes to his house in Delaware.
You can make an argument, privacy, should he be allowed to, whatever, But it seemed clear to me, and again, this is my personal speculation, that he is receiving some kind of medical treatment when he goes home to Delaware on the weekends because he was always, I mean, even if he wasn't full-on sick, he's always been getting older.
I mean, he was the oldest person elected president, and this has only continued to be true as he has aged.
It seems like maybe things are getting worse.
It's hard to tell, but it feels to me like we're getting more and more gaps.
Now we're seeing these markings.
It's only a matter of time.
It's a good thing.
phil labonte
I mean, it's a good bet.
unidentified
It's a good bet.
hannah claire brimelow
And for me, I kept saying, when is he going to announce that he's running for re-election?
Because his press secretary seemed to be hesitant, even when he was saying, yes, I will run.
And I think that should tell you that the people around him don't think he should continue forward, even if he himself feels like there's no problem.
And maybe he's not in a position to make that call.
michael seifert
No, I don't think he is.
tim pool
Here was the other story from around the same time.
They say, uh, President 80 says Putin is clearly losing the war in Iraq while clutching notes on Wagner uprising and yet another blunder.
Yet another blunder.
And look, in this story, you can see the marks on his face.
Cheat sheet.
This dude can't handle it, man.
He never could handle it.
michael seifert
No, and at this point too, it's, it's really frustrating because I remember when they used to say Trump goes to Mar-a-Lago too much, or golfs too much, I should say, and they criticized DeSantis for being on potentially ozempic, and RFK Jr.
is on testosterone, and so all the things that we should all be talking about with Biden, he gets a free pass.
He gets a free pass to potentially be using drugs that keep him awake at day.
He gets a free pass to not medically disclose to us what he's actually doing that's keeping him alive and somewhat sentient.
He doesn't get criticized for going to Delaware every seeming weekend.
He vacations more than any president we've had in the last 40 years.
And he gets a free pass for all of it.
So it's really frustrating because it just feels like we're all ignoring this massive elephant in the room.
We're not, obviously, but a lot of the country is.
And my greatest fear that would cause me to really be disappointed in our country and its current state would be that if he actually does run again and were to somehow get re-elected, I think it would be a massive indictment of our country.
phil labonte
I'm in agreement with you, but my biggest problem is the fact that the American people I think are generally aware of Biden's problems, at least people that actually are politically aware that pay attention enough to vote and stuff, and they accept The obvious fact that it is not the president that's making the calls.
That means it is someone else or it is a group of people.
It's probably his advisors that get together and make a decision and tell him, well, Mr. President, we're going to do this because blah, blah, blah.
And the fact that the American people are comfortable with that, to me, is a problem.
michael seifert
We've gotten so comfortable with the bureaucratic state that we just don't even expect the president to lead anymore.
phil labonte
And one of the biggest problems is that you don't ever have anyone that's accountable when the situation's like this.
If there's multiple bureaucrats that are making decisions at the end of the day, really the ones making the decisions, they will never ever pay for any bad decisions.
They will stay in office.
A lot of the people that are still in the Biden administration are people that were in the administration of George Bush when we went into Iraq.
A lot of the same players are still in Washington, D.C., in the quote-unquote deep state.
So you're not going to get any kind of significant change until you address that problem.
michael seifert
Yeah, well, I think it's another sign of that is that there used to be a day in geopolitical environments when, like, if you had a president that had a gaffe like this about major geopolitical actors, like, the world would stand on notice because, oh my gosh, the president of the free world just said something about another political leader related to war.
Like, everybody used to really pay attention and care.
And now it's like even the other foreign leaders are like, oh, it's another Tuesday with a gaffe.
And he could call for war and no one would even really take him seriously.
tim pool
We brought this up when he was talking about Syria, but kept saying Libya.
Yeah, exactly. And he kept saying Libya over and over again.
And the media, of course, downplayed saying, oh, it's no big deal. It is a big deal if he goes
to his generals and says, I want to see some territorial gains in Libya and they go, you got it.
Next thing you know, it's like, why is there no fly zone in Libya? It's like, well, Biden made a
mistake. So what are the generals supposed to do? Defy his orders? This is the conundrum.
Yes, we know he's not well in the mind, and he said the wrong word.
I think the average person can assume he did not mean Libya.
is what if he did?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Are the generals gonna be like, sir are you sure?
And he's like, yeah, of course, come on man, you know what I'm talking about.
Like, okay.
Or do they just say, no, he's incapacitated, so we're gonna defy his orders and ignore him.
michael seifert
Well, that goes back to your point.
It's like, I don't even know who's in charge of the generals at this point.
How do they make decisions?
You really think they ask him for military strategy?
phil labonte
Who knows?
Like, no way.
I think it was Andy Card, I think is his chief of staff I'm not sure the chief of staff, but it may be just a name that I'm remembering.
But I'm sure that it's not Joe Biden.
It's a council or... I'm not one of the guys that thinks that Barack Obama's running stuff from behind the scenes.
There are people that make those kind of remarks.
I don't think that's the situation.
I think it's just people that are high up in the administration that are the bureaucratic... I think it's Joe Biden.
tim pool
And I think Afghanistan is proof.
phil labonte
You think it's him?
tim pool
You think he's making... Look at Afghanistan.
Any sane person who sat down... You could take your average, middle-aged, overweight American dad, sit him down in the Situation Room and say, here's Afghanistan.
We want to get out, and that person would do a better job.
michael seifert
That's true.
That's a good point.
tim pool
So I wonder if, like, abandoning Bagram Air Force Base, not notifying the Afghan security forces, everything they did, every error, it was insane how bad, it was pure chaos.
So it could be that there is no leadership at all, so people were doing random things, but considering that the U.S.
abandoned, that we, the U.S., abandoned the Bagram Air Force Base, I kind of feel like that was a leadership call from someone who is not right in the head, Joe Biden.
And we got we got to get our troops out of there, you know, not not September.
We're going to get it out of there.
Like, OK, well, where should we get them out of there?
Just get them out.
Get them out of Air Force Base.
Get them out.
hannah claire brimelow
OK.
unidentified
OK.
hannah claire brimelow
Withdraw them by the anniversary of September 11.
Right.
He made it in an emotional place instead of following a tactical argument.
phil labonte
I would be shocked if he if he was that That hands-on with how the withdrawal was done.
How do you explain it?
I don't have a better explanation, but I would be very surprised if President Joe Biden was that hands-on about how to carry out the withdrawal.
Because the, you know, I too agree that it was ridiculous to have the, you know, the combat troops come out before the civilians.
Absolutely.
tim pool
And abandoning the Air Force!
michael seifert
Yes!
And leaving all of our gear.
tim pool
Where you could get them out!
Fly them out of the Air Force Base!
phil labonte
I am as flabbergasted as you guys are that that was the actual process that actually happened.
I just would be really surprised if Joe Biden was that granular about commanding.
tim pool
But that's the point, he wasn't!
He's like, hey, we're going to get our troops out of there.
And it's like, well, look, Mr. President, we've got an Air Force base.
We can't just get them out of the Air Force base then.
Are you sure?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, oh, whatever you say, sir.
michael seifert
And I always wonder if the generals that receive those orders are also as incompetent or nefarious.
tim pool
Oh, come on.
Look at Millie.
michael seifert
Exactly.
That's where it's like, I don't, I wonder if it's literally just a comedy of errors across the entire leadership of the U.S.
government.
Our intelligence sucks.
If you were naive enough to believe that Afghani officials and forces there could hold that region, and then it fell in no matter of days, like, how do you get things that wrong across an entire organization as large and profound as the U.S.
military?
It's a comedy of errors.
And I always struggle with, how much do you attribute to malicious intent versus incompetence?
That is always a tough thing for me.
tim pool
Sometimes it's both.
michael seifert
Yeah, I think in this case it was, and I think in most things happening in our government right now, there's a small faction of people that are genuinely evil, and then the rest of the people in the nuthouse are just pure incompetence at the highest degree.
It's the Pete Buttigiegs that have no ability or resume to lead transportation.
Mayor of a nothing town in Indiana, don't get me wrong, South Bend's fine, but like, what?
Do you even have public transportation?
And you're leading this.
Our whole government in the bureaucratic state at this point is this massive hodgepodge collaboration
between malicious intent, evil actors, and incompetence at the highest level.
And ultimately, I think that's why anybody that's even remotely normal and is able to
present any sort of sense of leadership is rising to the top of the cultural conversation.
tim pool
Let's jump to the cultural conversation.
We got this story from CBS News.
Anheuser-Busch CEO Brendan Whitworth says financial assistance is being sent to wholesalers, beer distributors impacted by boycott backlash.
Let me provide an alternate context for what this information is.
First, we'll take the neutral approach.
The Anheuser CEO states that they are giving money to people who carry their beer.
Let me make it a little bit more hyperbolic for you.
The boycott was so effective that Bud Light now has to pay people to carry its beer!
Let's ask this question.
Why would Anheuser-Busch send financial assistance to wholesalers and distributors?
These distributors could simply just, I don't know, carry different beers, like shift their business, reduce their workforce, say we're going to get off Bud Light.
No.
This is Enezer Bush saying, we're going to pay you to keep operating at this level Because we're going to try and pull out of this one.
Otherwise, the wholesalers say, see you later.
The boycott has gotten so bad that they are now paying people to carry their beer.
michael seifert
Good job.
Yeah, it's incredible to watch actually.
And on our app, the day after Bud Light, that ad campaign was released with Dylan Mulvaney,
we saw an 800% increase in searches for beer on the platform.
Because people are tired of it.
They're actually looking for other options.
Now, Modelo is the top beer above Bud Light.
And it was funny because some of the media tried to paint it as like, well, that's because
people are done with domestic beer.
That's why.
That's why Bud Light's tanked.
And it's like, dude, all these other domestic beers have actually risen in value.
tim pool
This one's tanking.
michael seifert
Miller & Coors are skyrocketing.
Exactly.
And so what's interesting in all this is that we don't think much about how the actions
of that man and the CEO of Anheuser-Busch, if you can't see the screen, and his cronies
and the ad campaign agency out of San Francisco, how much that actually negatively impacted
the people caught in the crossfire of all of this, which is like the distributors, the
middlemen, the salespeople.
They absolutely got screwed because you cannot sell this beer anymore.
tim pool
Have you ever seen The Dark Knight?
michael seifert
Oh yeah, good one.
tim pool
You guys have seen that one, right?
michael seifert
Absolutely.
tim pool
I love the fan theory that the Joker's actually the good guy.
And the reason is, by the end of the movie, he's gotten rid of a dangerous vigilante, Batman.
Batman retires.
He's gotten rid of the mob and all the criminals.
What the Joker did throughout that movie destroyed the organized crime in the city and destroyed the vigilante fighting it.
It's crazy.
And then in the next movie, it's like he's been retired for a couple decades.
I bring this up because what if?
This Anheuser-Busch CEO is actually just that.
He looks like the bad guy, but deep down he was sitting at his office and he was looking at all the ESG and woke stuff and he's like, the only way this changes is if someone pushes it over the top.
And then a single tear rolls down his cheek and he's like, I will do the right thing.
And then he gets on his phone and he's like, Dylan Mulvaney, and he's like, we've got a job to do.
Because in this interview, apparently, the Anheuser-Busch CEO has not ruled out hiring Dylan Mulvaney in the future.
michael seifert
Yeah, it's absurd.
tim pool
And has doubled down on pride, and has said they will continue and they have always been big supporters of this stuff.
When your customers tell you, we won't buy your stock, we won't buy your beer, and we will advocate for everyone not to buy your beer, to the point where you have to pay wholesalers and distributors money to keep up their operations?
You'd think at that point you'd be like, we're gonna listen to our customers and get away from this stuff.
We're sorry.
He won't do it.
hannah claire brimelow
No, Whitworth kind of threw the guilt card.
He's like, I'm really sad because it really impacts the employees who've been working.
They have pride in this, you know, 165 year old company that's been around forever.
Like, he is trying to say people boycotting this beer are the ones hurting these people who work in their, you know, breweries or whatever.
And it's like, you made this call.
You're not taking any personal responsibility.
In fact, you seem to be willing to risk their jobs again.
It's crazy.
michael seifert
Well, yeah, his doubling down is a controlled demolition.
Like if he actually feels bad for his employees, he has single handedly caused that problem.
By the way, like I run a company, you run a company.
If something bad happens in the company, it ultimately at the end of the day is is your fault because we take responsibility for the company because the buck stops with us.
This has been the exact opposite. Blaming your consumers for pain that's been put on
your employees rather than taking responsibility is like the most low life thing that I've ever
seen a company executive do. The Target CEO is doing the same thing right now.
And now for you to paper over it with this house of cards sham organization you've created
by having to literally do a rebate program and pay people to buy the beer,
just propping up the house of cards further. I have never seen anything like it.
Plus, to your theory, he was former CIA and they specialize in regime change.
What about Public Square?
If he is trying to topple the woke regime, maybe that is his ultimate goal, because it
across the board has decimated these woke companies.
$50 billion of market cap dropped just between Anheuser-Busch, Disney, and Target alone in
the past two months.
So I have never seen a more suicidal campaign from a company than doubling down on this.
tim pool
What about Public Square?
What are you guys seeing?
The opposite?
michael seifert
Yeah, that $50 billion has to go somewhere.
That's the interesting thing, is that these boycotts are only effective if you can ultimately shift your lifestyle spending away to something else, which is why we exist.
So we created the app so that if you're tired of Bud Light, if you're tired of Target, you can actually go to something else.
So that's why when Bud Light toppled, $27 billion of market cap dropped.
We saw an 800% increase in beer.
When Target came out and did what they did, we released a Target shopping guide that actually drove our app to top 5 apps in the entire app store for a week across all genres.
So anytime one of these cultural mediums for commerce decides to be insane, we're trying to be there to clean up the mess and provide an alternative so that you can actually shift your spending away.
And what's happened is we've had some people that said, you know, I said that I was not going to go to Target for June.
But I just couldn't imagine getting Target away from my life in its entirety.
And now they're saying, I'm actually finding my toilet paper, paper towels, household cleaning products on Public Square.
I don't even need to do this anymore.
And we have people asking us, can you open retail stores?
Can we have this literally be a replacement from Target?
So that's where we're going.
But I think the success of Public Square is a sign of two things.
One is that the boycotts are working and that people are tired of woke capital.
That's number one.
Number two is that people are actually hopeful enough to go the extra mile to do something different, because the worst indictment of our country and the economic state currently would be that if people either just kept shopping at these companies even though they hated them, and these companies obviously hate us in return, or the other thing which is that these people basically, you know, boycott for a week and then lay off because we don't have any other options.
Neither of those things are happening.
People are actually shifting their spending away and this is actually working, which is pretty incredible to watch.
tim pool
I think Bud Light This is why I made the joke about this guy being the secret hero, because what Bud Light did was shattered the dam.
The cracks were forming, and then the CEO of Bud Light just took a sledgehammer to that thing, and the floodgates have erupted.
And what happens is, for the longest time, regular people are scared.
If they speak out, they will get cancelled.
They live in fear of this, especially younger people.
Then people notice that Bud Light is tanking, and they think to themselves, whoa, If I say something, it's actually popular.
Now people aren't scared anymore.
Now they feel good.
Now it feels good to go shop somewhere else.
Now you post a video about how you're not going to Target.
You get a million views.
So there's even opportunists here who are going to jump on board.
This is where I think the tide shifts because the wokeness is falling into the lame cultural space where it is becoming negative.
It's not interesting.
What is kind of interesting is if you look at punk rock stuff, These guys were dressing in very, very weird ways that were supposed to be shocking to the average person.
You had, I think it was, correct me if I'm wrong, Sid Vicious wore the swastika.
The idea was to offend people.
To be like, I'm not a part of your thing.
Then all of a sudden, punk became cool.
And it became mainstream.
And it became multi-billion dollars.
How things kind of go.
phil labonte
Underground has totally disappeared, like the actual underground has completely and totally disappeared in the world of the internet.
Because part of the underground used to be you had to physically go to places to find this music.
You had to go to certain record stores, you had to go to certain places to buy certain magazines, you had to go to shows that were at certain locations.
It wasn't presented to you and it wasn't given to you.
So you had to put effort into...
tim pool
For a period, you get this rebellious, anti-woke subculture pushing back on the corporations, on Disney, on Bud Light.
And so here's what I think.
For a period, you get this rebellious, anti-woke subculture pushing back on the corporations, on Disney, on Bud Light.
Bud Light, the number one brand.
Like all trends in counterculture, they start to become more and more dominant.
Because people who are passionate about these things, believe in them, don't give them up.
And the average person just doesn't care.
So what happens now?
Bud Light went from number one to number two.
Modelo is now number one.
And to be honest, Bud Light was always kind of a number one.
Haha, it's very funny.
I'm very funny.
And now it's just crap.
It always was.
But this shows that regular people, this counterculture is now becoming more and more dominant and moving into the mainstream space.
My prediction is in a few years, This we win.
Yeah, you know, I don't know that means politically.
michael seifert
Well, I think obviously I think on the political ramifications like if you want to know how decisions are made in society look at where the money goes and so if you can shift the profit structures of society back toward the values of everyday actual normal people.
I think we win even politically.
But people ask me often, like, do you think Bud Light can redeem themselves at this point?
And I think the clear answer is no, because they've become the butt of a cultural joke.
Like I saw somebody tweet recently and it went super viral, the biggest insult of 2023
is you look like someone who would drink Bud Light at Target.
And I'm like, that's, you're now screwed.
You see all these funny videos going around of people buying a Bud Light and it totally alters their personality.
It's like you can't come back from that.
And I think that what's really exciting about that is people are waking up to have a general sort of... We talked about this earlier.
There's an anti-establishment sense.
in society at the moment that I really embrace.
I think it's wonderful.
That should also carry into small businesses.
So instead of going to Bud Light, why don't you go to a local brewer that's making awesome local craft beer.
A lot of this is actually super affordable.
They don't hate you.
They're not going to lecture you about gender.
And it is that simple.
If you can do that for all these different industries, like on Public Square, 90% of our businesses are small businesses.
And it's great because those are the ones that are not going to lecture you about stuff.
They're not bought into an ESG agenda or DEI agenda.
and they're actually shifting society back to like normal people's values.
People all the time ask like, are you political?
I'm not political. I'm like a normal person from 2006.
And it's just the country left us.
hannah claire brimelow
Somehow you've ended up here.
michael seifert
Exactly. And so when commerce has become so politicized, and we're just trying to offer this solution that is not
going to tell you about gender while you're trying to buy pants for your kids, like it's
kind of a refreshing thing for people.
So you're seeing normal people wake up, and you talked earlier about how the social issues of gender are becoming such a hot-button political topic for the mama bears.
70% of American consumers are moms.
So if you get that audience pissed at your brand and ready for an alternative, that's our number one demographic on the app.
It's 70% moms because If you have the mama bears mobilize to a product they believe in, they're going to tell other friends.
They're the best evangelists for things.
An alternative is true.
If they hate your brand, if you become the target in their eyes, they're going to tank you.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, that's why influencer marketing initially started with like mommy bloggers, right?
Who were on the internet and being like, here's my life.
And people were like, what products do you use?
Tell me everything you do, because I am looking for your recommendation.
I think that is an army that Bud Light did not think.
Maybe they should have courted the moms.
unidentified
Instead of Dylan Mulvaney, they should have been like... Well, they were trying.
tim pool
They did that commercial with that actor and his wife and it's like the woman is sitting on the couch and she's on hold and then Miles, what's his face, the actor, grabs two beers and cracks them open and dances over.
hannah claire brimelow
But that was like couples.
They didn't chase the moms.
tim pool
That was specifically targeting women.
That was covered in the ad marketing news as, this is how they'll get women.
unidentified
Because typically Bud Light was like, It wasn't effective.
hannah claire brimelow
What I'm saying is they should have gone harder in the, we're chasing moms.
Like they should have been replacing all of the stereotypes of like a wine mom.
They should have been like, you're a Bud Light mom.
tim pool
My point is, they tried that ad.
It probably didn't work.
So they went, Dylan Mulvaney?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Market to kids?
hannah claire brimelow
I guess?
phil labonte
Bud Light wasn't exactly or isn't exactly a great tasting thing.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think they really could have won moms.
I think that's a fallacy.
But I think it's important to note that women control spending in most households.
phil labonte
That shouldn't be a surprise to people.
I mean, that's been the standard for as long as I can remember.
When I was a kid, I heard stories that women can do most of the grocery shopping
and purchasing for the household, because they run the household.
hannah claire brimelow
They also typically control most of the philanthropic giving,
too, so any charities decided by women.
So this is this strange paradox where women are constantly being told, men are oppressing you.
But really, they have all this power.
They control basically American spending and they don't acknowledge it.
phil labonte
That's been a lie for a long, long, long time.
hannah claire brimelow
But they don't acknowledge it and that's what bothers me.
phil labonte
That's because it's not convenient.
hannah claire brimelow
True.
phil labonte
I mean, like, if you're in a position where, like, you know, everyone's telling you that you're oppressed and you're the second-class gender and yet you're still bossing your husband around, are you going to make a whole lot of noise about, no, we don't need extra benefits from the government and blah blah blah?
No, you're going to just shut your mouth and you're going to go ahead and say it's fine.
tim pool
I was gonna jump to another story if you wanted to wrap it up.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I was gonna say, Ali Wong has this bit where she says, like, feminists ruins everything by saying, we can do anything!
unidentified
It's like, stop talking, don't tell them!
tim pool
We gotta jump to this story, this is from last night.
Post Millennial says, NBC News defends We're Coming For Your Children chant at NYC Drag March, arguing it's been used for years at Pride events.
But it's more than that.
They tweeted, The coming for your children chant has been used for years at pride events according to longtime march attendees and gay rights activists who said it's one of the many provocative expressions used to regain control of slurs against LGBTQ people.
Here's the funny thing.
The NBC News article says, in the 21-second clip circulated by a right-wing web streamer channel... Is that you?
That's us, by the way.
unidentified
Oh, hey!
tim pool
That's Tim Guest News.
hannah claire brimelow
Former voiceover.
tim pool
Newsguard certified, by the way.
It says, dozens of people in the streets can be heard chanting, we're here, we're queer, we're not going shopping.
But one voice that is louder than the crowd, it's not clear whose, or whether the speaker was a member of the LGBTQ community, is heard saying at least twice, we're here, we're coming for your children.
First of all, in the video, you can hear they're all chanting it.
And you can see their mouths!
You can see multiple people saying this thing.
Now, here's my point.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, notice they didn't add the clip.
They did.
They're linking it, but they didn't present it in this article.
tim pool
My point is this.
Why are they simultaneously arguing?
It's a totally normal chant they always have done.
And also, nobody did it.
It's one weird person.
We don't know who that person is.
Which is it?
Pick one.
Now, here's the good part.
Schuon had tracked down one of the sources.
Pointing out that NBC News said, a leaderless group of activists with the Radical Fairies, a loose-knit LGBTQ collective, and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a charity and protest group, have helped organize the march in more recent years, according to Huffington Post.
There are no sponsorships by companies at the drag march.
To just clarify, NBC News is reporting, a leaderless group of activists with the Radical Fairies helped organize this march where they chanted, we're coming for your children.
Okay.
Thank you, Shuan Head, for this one.
Henry Hey Jr.
was an American gay rights activist, NAMBLA activist, communist, labor advocate, co-founder of the Mattachine Society, as well as the Radical Fairies.
So it was an outright Nambla activist.
What is that, North American Man-Boy Love Association?
phil labonte
That is the North American Man-Boy Love Association.
tim pool
So it was a communist pedophile who founded this organization that now goes on to help organize a march in which they're chanting, we're coming for your children.
And NBC News says, nothing to see here, folks!
Shout out, by the way, to Elad Eliyahu, reporting for TimCast News on the ground, who caught this video.
And I want to stress this.
When Elad tweeted this video out, we didn't think that much of it.
We're just like, here they go again, chanting this thing.
unidentified
He's crazy, people.
tim pool
And then it went crazy viral, and it's gone this far.
But shout out to Shoe and Head for pulling this information up.
hannah claire brimelow
This is why you should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter, because you'd see a lot of stuff first.
michael seifert
Let's go.
Which, by the way, the headline's so interesting.
It's not that big of a deal because we've been doing it for years.
tim pool
Does that make it better?
michael seifert
Wait, that doesn't make it better!
That makes it worse!
tim pool
That thing you're scared about?
We've been doing it for longer than you realize!
phil labonte
They've been writing books about it since, I mean...
Eros and Civilization by Herbert Marcuse came out in like the 60s or something like that.
These arguments for intergenerational relationships have been made by queer theorists for the better part of 50 years.
This is a normal leftist perspective, if you're a leftist philosopher or scholar or whatever.
That is normal to hear.
People are going to feel more comfortable as LGBT issues become more topical.
People in academia are going to feel more comfortable making the argument that there is no such thing as innocence.
That there is no reason to prevent children from seeing sexual activity, being sexually active themselves.
These are not arguments that I'm making.
These are arguments that are made by people like Michelle Foucault, Herbert Mark Hughes, and people that are cutting edge in the field of queer theory.
And communists.
They're all Marxists, they're all leftists, they're all communists.
hannah claire brimelow
But when they organize an event, we should think nothing of it.
It's fine.
Don't question this.
phil labonte
I think different things than what you're saying.
hannah claire brimelow
That's why this article is so weird.
Tim is totally right.
They're saying we do this all the time and also it's not a big deal.
tim pool
And also that person is not a part of our group and we don't even believe it's real anyway.
phil labonte
This is not a bad thing.
Right now this is a resource.
If you look on Twitter, the actual tweet that NBC made has a community notes thing on it
and stuff.
So that is a good thing and it should be used by everybody that wants to fight the left
and the literal attack on children because what we're talking about is their admission
that they want to target children.
The specific reason is because they want to interrupt the way that adults raise their
children because grownups raise children that are well adjusted and happy are not revolutionary.
They don't end up in queer lifestyles, generally.
They just don't end up in, you know, doing a lot of drugs and out on the street.
And the left wants people in those conditions because unhappy people are revolutionaries.
Happy, satisfied people are not revolutionaries.
And the left is full of actual communist revolutionaries.
So your kids are their target.
And that is not an exaggeration.
They want to raise your kids to be revolutionaries.
They want to raise your kids to hate you.
That is a true statement.
Sorry.
michael seifert
Don't let your kids be on TikTok.
tim pool
No, for real.
michael seifert
Like, the Vivek Ramaswamy right now saying kids under 16 should not be allowed on any of these social apps, like, I think it's one of the best political positions I've heard in a long time.
Because if you, I'm fully convinced, if kids did not have TikTok at 14 and did not, I don't know what you're allowed to say on YouTube, but corn, if they didn't have corn or they didn't, uh, watch TikTok, like, I'm convinced the trans thing wouldn't even exist.
It's this weird fetish culture Paired with these TikTok algorithms that are just prolonging it, and that is why we have the trans movement.
tim pool
Well, you have children.
I want people who have kids to imagine this, right?
I shouldn't even say that.
Anybody, just imagine this.
You have a 12-year-old.
They go outside, and they're walking around by themselves.
And let's say they're riding their bike.
They ride their bike a few miles, and they come across an old warehouse.
It's a sex club.
They go inside, by themselves.
And there's a bunch of people engaged in lewd and lascivious behaviors.
And they all start talking to the kid and inviting the kid over to partake.
That's the internet.
The internet, with your kids on the internet, is you being like, have fun, good luck.
And your kids could stumble across these sex clubs.
And they're going to see these things and watch it and have groomers groom them.
And we've heard this from many individuals.
In fact, what you're referring to, We actually had a couple of detransitioners explain to us that they're going on places like Tumblr and they'll get people saying like, hey, why don't you try wearing some boys clothes and see how you feel?
Post some pictures.
They do.
What happens next?
They get bombarded by likes and comments about how cool they are.
They feel good.
Then they say, did you feel good when you did it?
Like, yeah, it felt really good.
They're like, do more.
What actually feels good is the social acceptance.
michael seifert
Yeah.
Belonging.
tim pool
Belonging.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then they keep telling these kids to do more and more and more and more, and that was a story we heard explicitly from one detransitioned individual.
So, all that really matters, don't let your kids go to adult events.
Don't let your kids be exposed to this stuff.
But I agree with you, Vivek's position on this stuff, we were talking about this last night, if you go out in public and you hold up a big sign, a big picture of porn, You're going to get arrested.
Or at the very least, the cops are going to take it from you.
They're going to cite you or arrest you.
It's like obscenity laws.
If you speak your political mind, you're fine.
If you go online and speak your political mind, you will be destroyed.
But of course, porn is everywhere and totally acceptable on the Internet.
So it's backwards.
The Internet is a lawless, Wild West place.
And a lot of people are saying it's losing its Wild West edge, and there were good things about it when it was the Wild West, in that you could have a decentralized network of your friends actually doing productive things.
But what happened was the Internet started.
with a bunch of tech nerds. And that's why you end up with, in the early days, cool things
happening online, cool stories. Then people who want to hide from the mainstream start using it,
and you get weirdos using the internet and weird things on the internet. Now you have the
mainstreaming and the centralization of the internet where everything's becoming more like
apps. It's less free flowing, less about the domain and more about the app you're using.
But still, we've not codified anything to say, keep kids out of these adult facilities on the internet.
That needs to happen.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I don't think there's a benefit to it.
I was thinking about recently, I wrote this story about how middle school test scores are sort of tanking.
And this, we saw a huge drop in the National Report Card in 2012.
And for me, it's impossible.
I know I can't prove correlation or causation, but Snapchat got released in July of 2011.
And Instagram got released in October of 2010.
And I think It's interesting because a specific study talked about how fewer kids choose to read for fun on their own.
And that's true of all performance levels.
And now you wonder, what are they doing?
Are they outside running around more?
No, they're all on TikTok.
They're on Instagram.
They're on Snapchat.
They're completely devoted to the screen and they're suffering because of it.
Again, there are probably lots of things that factor into this, but I don't think we can deny that social media has changed childhood, or at least pre-teenhood, forever, and I don't know that it's beneficial.
People who say, oh, you have to connect with people and find your community, like, shouldn't we be encouraging kids to do this in person?
To have in-person conversations and to find communities that they see face-to-face that we know are not someone else?
There was a reason that show Catfish got so popular, right?
Because it reminds you constantly that You don't know exactly who you're talking to on the internet unless you have actually met them.
And if it can happen to you when you're 21 and talking to someone online, think of what can happen to basically an even more gullible child who gets online at 12.
michael seifert
Well, and it's so widespread, and sadly, like, most of society does not live on Twitter and see these videos go viral.
We have 340 million people in our country, the vast majority of them will never see that video of that chant.
So what's concerning is, you'll tell them, they're trying to groom your kids, look, they're admitting it, but they don't see that.
Like, most average moms and dads still believe that the public schools are wonderful, our teachers would never groom the kids, they're not actually, they just want equality, like, they're, again, a lot of people stuck in this, they don't realize- But it's changing.
I hope so.
tim pool
But Bud Light proves it, that's my point.
michael seifert
Bud Light does prove it, that's true.
Once it becomes that mainstream, my problem is that there's still too much of a denial that our country has related to things like this.
Do you remember two years ago when the San Francisco Gay Choir during Zoom came out and literally sang, We're Coming For Your Children?
It's like, they've been telling us for years what they're trying to do, why are we just now waking up to it?
phil labonte
I think part of the reason why we're just now waking up to it is because people have not had a lot, there's not been a lot of voices articulating what the actual intent is.
Like the fact that there is an effort made by people on the left to interrupt the raising of children so that way they can change their opinions to be a socialist opinion.
That's looked at as a conspiracy theory, right?
tim pool
But I think that's only one small element of it.
phil labonte
I think the bigger picture is just that The fact that people can articulate that there is a process that happens, like when you raise your kids, you create more liberals.
Essentially, it's what happens in America.
Liberals have liberal values.
Raise your kids.
To be liberal.
What a socialist wants to do is interrupt that instilling kids with liberal values.
They want to stop that, prevent parents from instilling liberal values in their children.
michael seifert
You mean like classical liberal?
phil labonte
Yeah, well, you know, things like freedom of speech.
The idea of freedom of speech is no longer something that Gen Z looks as really, really valuable.
And there are people that make the argument that the freedom of speech might not be a good thing.
And the reason that they make that argument is because there are people that are teaching them, well, instead of saying, look, it's super important because if you don't have free speech, X, Y, and Z happen.
Well, you have people that come in and say, well, you know, X, Y, and Z might happen, but you also need to be worried about A, B, and C, because if you say bad things, it'll hurt people, etc.
And the importance of liberal values is not being instilled in the younger generation.
And without the younger generation being instilled with liberal values, And they're not going to look at our society the same way that their parents did.
And so the left is looking to interrupt that creation or recreation of society.
And they're looking to interject their own values into more kids.
And I think that the fact that parents have heard that somewhat and may have been aware of it, you see that.
When there are people saying, we're coming for your children, that is a tangible reality that you can associate with a story that you told them, right?
I'm telling you, look, the left is coming for your kids, and they're like, this is why, and they want to teach your kids, and parents be like, that guy's crazy, whatever, they can blow it off.
Show them that, and they're like, whoa.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think we should change how we phrase it then?
Like, instead of being like, the left's coming for your kids, should we say, like, hey, you have to be careful about the content that your children are consuming?
I think people get turned off by politics, and so they start saying, like, oh, you're just being too political.
But if you were to say, hey, I don't think you want your kid exposed to sexual material, you probably shouldn't take them to this event, or you should be wary about this thing, it becomes more palatable.
michael seifert
Well, that's why Vivek's trying to make it policy, is because most people don't respond to the hyper-social culture war language.
They'd respond more to, like, here are the dangers of social media and the government's role is to protect you from danger.
That's the way he's trying to frame it.
phil labonte
I think social media, at least for me personally, I think the government's involvement in social media should be very delicate.
I'm not super against the government censoring or whatever.
I do think that the government should be extremely aware of what curriculum is being taught to children.
And that's not just something that That is in public schools either because there are companies that are private companies that produce the curriculum that gets put in schools.
And if those companies are producing corrupted materials, they're producing books that have these ideologies written into them, things that are influenced by people like Paulo Freire and stuff.
If that's the curriculum being sold to private schools as well as public schools, going to private schools is no longer a good enough thing because they're still being taught the same curriculum.
So it has to be, you have to make sure that the ideology that is, the ideology is not injected into the curriculum and that takes parents being aware of what the ideology is.
They have to be able to identify gender issues.
It's not a small ask.
This is a big, long-term project that people need to undertake if they're going to save the United States from a legitimate cultural revolution.
michael seifert
But don't you- because I agree on a lot of that.
The social media part I have a tough time with because like Twitter says that 13 and up is allowed to use it and Twitter also has pornography.
And you've been on Twitter before where people reply to popular posts with like sexually explicit content that kids are now able to see, 14 year olds.
Should be illegal.
It should be illegal, absolutely.
You either up the age or you make porn on Twitter illegal.
I think that you should probably do both.
But back to an earlier point you made, do you think though that parents reverting to liberal values will help things?
Isn't liberalism essentially live and let live?
It's that this is the way they choose to live and you got to respect everybody chooses to live because I actually see it a little different.
I think that the only people that have been right consistently for the past 10 years were the religious conservatives that were like, it's a slippery slope.
It's a slippery slope.
They're coming for your kids and they were laughed off as fundamentalists that were Too, uh, too prissy and sort of... Bible thumpers.
Bible thumpers.
When in reality, they were right.
Like, my grandma, who warned us all that this is a slippery slope, and if you let them get away with this stuff, they're gonna teach your kids and adopt your kids.
Like, that wasn't seen as a liberal value.
tim pool
I don't see it as a slippery slope.
I see it as... Hey, here's a thing that we now think is acceptable, and here's a thing we see as unacceptable.
michael seifert
So you just see the Overton window shifting?
tim pool
Well, I mean...
I don't care if some dude and a woman go into the privacy of their own home and like swing around on ceiling fans and do backflips on weird bondage frames.
I care when they film it and then start showing little kids.
It's not a slippery slope.
These people have always existed and have always tried to do these things.
The slippery slope, if there is one, is the internet and it's not that we say allowed gay marriage.
michael seifert
But don't you think culture has become more accepting of more radical and extreme things?
tim pool
It's the internet.
If the idea was live and let live means whatever you do in the privacy of your own home, that works in the privacy of your own home.
The problem now is some person will post Obscene images on the internet and expose kids to it and we don't do anything about it.
That should be illegal.
It's kind of crazy to me that we are in a day and age, come on, anybody knows, if you go to a playground and you post obscene material, you're going to get arrested.
But if you go to Pride, they don't care.
There's a clear double standard.
On the internet, I have questions.
This is what I proposed to YouTube.
There is a video out of Santa, I think it was West Hollywood, where two men are on a truck performing a four-play sex act on each other, in public, in front of everybody, children were present.
So I said, okay, YouTube, let's see how you tolerate this.
Will YouTube allow this video?
I need to check to see if it was demonetized, but it wasn't banned or anything like that.
The issue is this.
You cannot do... Ten years ago, we talked about a slippery slope.
Yeah, in the privacy of your own home, you could two guys, two women, whatever, three guys, two women, two guys, whatever.
They weren't doing it in public, so nobody was concerned about it.
The internet is public.
They're now doing it in public.
That's the problem.
And if there is a problem that needs to be fixed, it's you should not be allowed to publish these things in public.
There you go.
Problem solved.
michael seifert
I think it's a both and.
I think, yes, it's the internet that's basically numbed our culture to a bunch of awful content that should be seen as egregious and people absolutely revolt against.
But at the same time, I also believe, like in California, We've got state senator Anthony Weiner who's coming up with some new crazy radical proposal related to sex every single day, and that's not internet related.
That's purely policy.
It's talking about what forms of abuse they can get away with to kids, and it's consistently passing the legislature.
Like, it's making it through these committees that ten years ago we would have said, well, it may be because of the internet.
But the fact is, people in there, I do think there's a level of this, like, well, I said live and let live ten years ago, I still believe that, I have this sort of framework of people do what they want, and who am I to judge?
That's a very liberal principle, whereas someone who's more conservative like me would say, I actually think there's an objective line that we should all agree to.
tim pool
If this wasn't on the internet, People would not fear the negative press.
So these politicians are like, if I oppose this, people will attack me online.
It's the internet.
Many of these politicians are just going to say whatever they think is popular.
Well, the video from Pride got a million clicks.
That's what they're going to agree with.
So I really just think When it comes to liberals, there's no moral framework.
They'll lie about everything.
I mean, look at this, we had the person on the show, and I'll keep it somewhat vague because I'm tired of talking about it, who said they like this, we have this book right here, this book is gay, that describes things children should not be hearing.
And they said it shouldn't be censored from schools.
Advocacy for a book That is not for children being given to children.
That would teach children how to use adult sex apps.
They agree with it.
Why?
Because the internet said to.
If there was no internet, they would just say whatever the TV told them to say.
michael seifert
So I guess my question is, what ideology stops that from happening?
Because I would argue that it's not classical liberalism anymore.
I think my opinion is that there is the need for a conservative uprising against this, of family values-led Policies, ideologies, cultural statements, companies that say like, no, no, we're going to go back to the basics here.
Stop talking about any of this.
No matter if you're an adult or a kid, we don't want to hear about your sex life at all anymore.
tim pool
The founding fathers were classical liberals.
michael seifert
Yeah, I think they would roll in their grave at the social stuff we've allowed in our classical liberalism, though.
tim pool
But it's not classical liberalism.
It's corruption and degradation and degeneracy.
michael seifert
But you just said liberals don't have a moral framework, so where does the line start?
tim pool
So when I say liberal, I'm talking about the culture war left.
So, colloquially, we use liberal to refer to a body of people, but it doesn't actually describe liberalism.
Thomas Jefferson, a classical liberal, would, as you're correct, roll in his, spin so fast in his grave, it would generate free energy.
michael seifert
Yes.
tim pool
So, DASLA.
Exactly, just, you know, we could hook up some cables to those coffins and we'll be powering this country forever.
So, classical liberalism is more about individuality, meritocracy, etc.
And even conservatives agree with the principles of the Founding Fathers in that regard, the seeds that were planted in this country that granted people civil rights.
Someone going outside and plotting and declaring they're going to come and commit crimes against your children, those are criminal acts.
The cops aren't arresting these people.
It is not classical liberalism that we have laws being broken every day that police won't arrest people for.
It's just general social decay.
michael seifert
So I guess I come back to, like, our Constitution's only built for a moral and virtuous people.
Even amongst the classical liberals, they had such a sense of conserving something pure that we all have to agree on that or else the society's gonna fall apart.
So I guess my thing is, like, if we wanted to redeem so much of the cultural degradation that's taking place, like, is the goal just to bring it back to a state where everyone's just sort of live and let live except for when it affects the kids?
What's the goal?
Because I see most of my classical liberal friends Sort of not being on the front lines of a lot of this and not really caring.
Where it's my conservative friends that are the ones leading the charge, it's the mama bears that are conservative leading the charge against Target.
tim pool
Are you talking about classical liberals or traditional liberals?
michael seifert
I'm talking about classical liberals that would, not in terms of leftist, I'm making a distinction between leftist and liberal.
I'm hearing you say that parents lost the teaching of liberal values to their children and that's what led to a lot of cultural and societal decay.
And I would argue that it's actually parents becoming too liberal that has led to a lot of this decay, and that there's a need for more conserving and conservatism back in society and in the household.
Because we've allowed the line of acceptability to just completely leave sight.
It's past the horizon at this point.
phil labonte
The way that I understand or the way that I use liberal and stuff like that, to me, conservatives are conserving liberal values, right?
Progressives are trying to progress beyond liberal values.
And I think more about the philosophy behind the left and the right.
So someone like Rousseau would be like the kind of the father of modern leftism.
And whereas Adam Smith and the founders of this country would kind of be the liberal idea, or what I think of as a liberal.
So I don't think that we need to have strict controls on people's Private lives.
I don't think that the that that we need to worry about who's having sex with who I do Like I'm I'm the guy that wants to get rid of the whole Department of Education just get rid of it I'm like I'm a very small government guy.
I want to get rid of as much bureaucracy as possible and I think that The combination of getting rid of the bureaucracy behind the education of children is, I think that's a, it's a start, but it's not going to fix everything.
Because like I said, this stuff is in the curriculum as well.
So there has to be people that are looking, that are teaching liberalism as in the fundamental rights of individual liberty and stuff like that.
And that even goes to the idea that your word is important.
So like progressives, The philosophy on the left doesn't come from the philosophy of that we can actually interact with reality, right?
They believe that perspective matters and lived experience matters, etc.
And these are broad ideas that I'm talking about.
So there's going to be people that are going to disagree with me, but for People on the left don't think things like your word or being honest are important because they're consequentialists and they're postmodernists and so they don't believe that truth is a thing that you can actually come in contact with.
They believe that the consequences matter so they'll lie to you.
So we need to have people explain why things like consequentialism are bad.
And you don't do it by telling a child that consequentialism is bad.
You tell them, look, it's important to tell the truth, and here's why.
That's something people can understand.
tim pool
I think one of the big issues is conservatives, for a long time, blindly just supported cops.
Yeah, I agree.
You have right now, one of the issues in West Virginia is they did a drag show with kids.
And so the people in the community are like, hey, are they going to arrest these people?
Well, we've seen nothing so far.
It's only been a couple of weeks.
We'll see.
But no one really thinks the AG was going to go after them, despite the fact it's illegal.
And it is illegal, because here's the funny thing.
And I pulled it all up again.
It's so illegal in West Virginia, it is illegal to engage, to cohabitate with someone Seriously, no persons not married to each other shall lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabitate together, or whether married or not, be guilty of open or gross lewdness and lasciviousness.
michael seifert
That's still a law.
An active law.
tim pool
One of six states that still has a law in the book that says if you are not married you can't live together.
michael seifert
Wow.
tim pool
I'm not suggesting they actually enforce a law like that.
My point is, if that law's still in the books, you better damn well believe a man wearing skimpy women's clothing and engaging in a sex show in public with children on stage is illegal.
michael seifert
Yes.
tim pool
Why won't they just enforce the existing laws?
Now, hey, If the left thinks the laws are bad, they can go to the legislature and change those laws.
But in West Virginia, this democratic institution has spoken, and it is illegal to do these things.
In fact, Jefferson County explicitly recently passed an order saying, you can't do these things.
The problem is, as people in big cities started engaging and pushing the boundary more and more and more, cops were not enforcing the law.
And so, conservatives just kept saying, keep doing your good old job!
And now we're at the point where, I guess they're called what, blue laws?
Where it's like, they're laws, but no one would seriously enforce it.
So you'll end up now with an adult having a sex performance.
I mean, look at that kid.
That little kid dancing at an adult gay club, taking his clothes off on stage in exchange for tips.
And this was like four or five years ago.
michael seifert
It's disgusting.
tim pool
And no police action.
You had the drag show with kids in Texas, and the cops were like, we can't do anything about it.
And a bunch of people pointing out like, yo, there's a law right here saying you can't do this.
hannah claire brimelow
You absolutely can do something about it.
tim pool
But the cops are like, no.
And conservatives just kept saying back the blue.
No, I trust you.
unidentified
I think we should just abolish the police.
tim pool
Just look, go back to militias.
Go back to the law enforcement is in the hands of the community.
Exactly what the left wanted, right?
But let's entertain this.
I'm not talking about social workers showing up and going, everyone calm down.
I'm talking about if you come onto a public, if you come onto a residential street, It is the neighborhood watch who is empowered to enforce the laws in their residences.
That means when Antifa shows up with bricks, it is the local neighborhood watch who comes out, detains the individuals, and then has them arrested.
Instead, what happens is the cops show up, and they say, you know, look, if we arrest these guys, it'll make a bigger riot, so we're gonna let them rampage through your neighborhood.
Now, enforce the communities, how about that?
Give the left exactly what they're asking for, because if the cops aren't going to arrest the people breaking the law, why should I care if we have cops?
We've got mass rioting.
Is the federal law enforcement arresting Antifa?
unidentified
No!
tim pool
They're arresting Trump supporters!
They're arresting pro-lifers!
I am not going to sit here and defend police when law enforcement is going to some pro-lifer's house because they stood in front of a Planned Parenthood.
Okay, fine.
You want to make that illegal?
They went in front of the homes of the Supreme Court.
Justice is also illegal.
And those people didn't get arrested.
michael seifert
They closed all businesses during COVID.
So they don't shut down a drag march, but they do shut down the church that stayed open in Kentucky during COVID.
I'm saying, look, trust me, I agree.
I think that I have more hope for local police departments than I do for the FBI, for example, because it's so centralized and bureaucratic and corrupt at this point.
You can't redeem it.
So just get rid of it.
Local police departments.
It was interesting during COVID in California, because if you were if you were with Riverside, You were a cop that respected the rule of law, you were not going to shut down businesses, you had a sheriff in the county that was very much on the side of individual liberties, and you had a really respecting police force that actually did their job really well.
If you're in L.A., though, you were shutting off people's power who were hosting house parties during COVID, and it was by those cops that did the same thing.
So trust me, I'm not blindly back the blue.
tim pool
There was a woman in Minnesota who opened her cafe They don't enforce the law.
charges against her. She fled and the sheriff hunted her down, arrested her. And so look,
you see this across the board, right? In New Jersey, in suburban southern New Jersey,
cops went and shut Attila's gym down. These cops don't care.
They don't enforce the law.
They will stand like... Luke Rutkowski filmed an interview with a guy who was on a train.
A madman with a knife started stabbing people, and the cops were like, we're not gonna do anything about that.
The cops in New York City are gonna give you a ticket, but they can't stop crime.
Now don't get me wrong, there are good cops.
We have a video going viral right now of a cop talking to kids about seatbelts, then he hears gunshots, he runs straight into danger.
Hero.
You got the cops who ran into that school when that trans mass shooter was shooting, and they did it by the book, and they stopped that threat, and they saved lives.
Heroes.
There are a ton of good cops.
The issue, though, is police are no longer members of the community in regard to what we think is acceptable.
They don't want to be involved.
So when in Texas, you have angry people from this area being like, these people don't live here, and they're bringing children to a sex show, the cops go, well, I'm not going to get involved.
All it takes is for one cop to be like, I'll arrest him.
It's illegal.
Nope, they don't do it.
michael seifert
They're afraid they're going to lose their job.
And society has given them every reason to be afraid they're going to lose their job.
It's why they, uh, it's why culture celebrates, uh, the victim, or excuse me, they celebrate the perpetrator of the crime instead of the guy who jumps in and stops at Jacob Penney or whatever in New York recently.
tim pool
Daniel Penney.
michael seifert
Exactly.
Well, good.
He was not guilty of anything.
It was a perfectly legitimate scenario where the women and the children on the subway were literally saying thank you to this guy.
So why are we not taking a lesson from him?
That's what I really agree with your point, that like, it should be communities that are responsible for their own- The cops arrested him.
Yeah, it's absurd.
And that right there was the best case story, I think, for what you're describing, which is how on earth was the guy who was terrorizing women and children on the subway seen as some sort of hero because he used to dance on the subway platform, while the guy who's actually stepping in to protect women and children is the one getting arrested?
phil labonte
Liberal values would have said that you protect people.
That would be the liberal thing to do, protect the individuals.
michael seifert
Yeah, it's just sad how those terms have become so distorted.
hannah claire brimelow
I was gonna say, Daniel Penney was initially questioned by police and released. And then
later, Alvin Bragg was like, just kidding, we need to arrest that guy. So you mean to tell me that Alvin
tim pool
Bragg in New York will arrest a guy, even though the police already determined it's self-defense,
but Morrissey in West Virginia won't arrest the people putting on sex shows in public with
children. That is the problem.
So, you know, I've met I've met Morrissey and I'm getting more and more upset.
One of the issues is that we're trying to open businesses in West Virginia, but if it is the case that West Virginia is a state that allows adults to have sex shows in public with children present, as they did in Martinsburg this past week, and we got video of it, And the AG won't do anything about it, then I suggest divesting from West Virginia.
Because screw that, Texas and Florida are doing a lot better on these fronts, and everybody kept screaming, go to Florida instead.
I gotta be honest, I just, I like the mountains.
I like the people here.
It's MAGA country, it's 86% Trump-supporting.
Most people are in agreement.
So, I'm not trying to come down hard on the AG right now, because I don't know what he's doing.
But I expect to see action taken in this regard.
Jefferson County banned this stuff.
The people who live here are pissed off about it.
And the people who are coming and bringing the stuff here don't live here.
So I am frustrated that you get an AG in New York, you get an AG in D.C., you get two AGs, you get Alvin Bragg at Walton Bolton's that's going after Trump, going after Penny.
Clearly ideological prosecutions.
When we actually have a law on the books, we see nothing.
This is the problem.
You want to fix all of this?
It's really simple.
Red states need to actually just enforce the law and stop being whiny little crybabies who are like, but the New York Times will insult me and I'm up for re-election.
Fine.
I ain't voting for you.
But we'll see.
Maybe Morrissey will do the right thing and he'll actually start bringing charges against the people who organized this event because we've got video footage of it.
And I'm supposed to start a business?
I'm supposed to move my business here?
I'm supposed to set up a brick-and-mortar shop?
And you mean to tell me that nearby they're putting on sex shows and they're bringing kids to them?
I expect the AG to actually bring charges to people who organized and put on this event as the law states you cannot do.
Look, I can simplify it for you.
This law says if two people, whether married or not, engage in open gross lewdness, it's a misdemeanor.
michael seifert
That's every Pride March.
tim pool
Well, look, call it whatever you want.
I'm telling you, if we've got video of people putting on adult sex shows and bringing kids involved, that is more than just open lewdness.
Where is the AG to immediately come down?
michael seifert
You know what?
tim pool
They're scared.
They're terrified.
They're scared of all of these people.
Well, if you're in West Virginia and you're law enforcement and you are letting this stuff happen, I assure you, the people who live in West Virginia are very, very angry.
Very, very angry.
Look, The joke is, up on the mountain, it's a bunch of right-wing nutjobs.
Jefferson County explicitly banned children being at drag performances.
Where are the cops?
Granted, granted, granted, what I'm talking about outside of that is Berkeley County.
My point is the residents of this area.
The opinion doesn't just shift when you cross county lines.
No, the people in Berkeley County are pissed off about this.
I talk to them.
I'm pissed off about it because I'm spending money here.
Mostly, let me clarify, I'm not saying that we will see what the AG does, what the Sheriff's Department does, what the local police do, if anything.
I'll give them time.
I'm just pissed off that we can see in California, in New York, in Illinois, they release all of these criminals, they arrest the victims, and then where we live, when we expect a rule of law, we still don't get it.
michael seifert
One, if you can't have it happen in West Virginia, this is supposed to be like the safest haven for people that believe that this type of nonsense is disgusting and grotesque.
Like, 86% MAGA country, you would think that the DA here, of all places, would say, yeah, you know what, I can go arrest and know that I'm gonna have a win in the court of public opinion, that the public will back me, my constituents will re-elect me because they see me taking a stance against child indoctrination.
If that can't happen here, something's deeply flawed, because this should be the place Well, I don't want to jump the gun just yet because this was just like two weeks ago, right?
tim pool
And there are people telling me that they're reaching out to the office and they're demanding action in this regard.
Maybe we'll see something.
michael seifert
I hope you do.
tim pool
Maybe we need to organize some protests.
Maybe we need to take a page out of Alinsky's book and start utilizing their own tactics against them.
Maybe we need to bring people out for a peaceful march through these streets demanding an end to this, not letting it happen again.
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Alright, I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, I don't know or have any relation to Annette Lewis, but she's the Albertan woman I mentioned last week who was denied an organ transplant for not being COVID vaxxed.
If we can help her with prayers and aid, that would be amazing.
Sorry to hear that, that's horrifying.
Hope for the best.
Leif Hagen says, DeSantis just said on Fox that he supports eliminating the Departments of Education, Commerce, Energy, and the IRS.
Wow, that's fantastic.
I look forward to him deleting that War Room tweet where he put up deepfakes and then we'll consider voting for him.
How about that?
Yeah, I'm not... I like all the things he's saying, but actions speak louder than words.
If DeSantis is saying he's going to do all these really great things, I mean, he's got to prove he actually cares about doing the right thing and take down one tweet?
This is a funny thing.
It's from the 4th, I think.
It's been a month.
And they can't just delete it and be like, we shouldn't have put that up.
I do not believe they're sincere and being genuine when he says he wants to do these things.
Sorry, but y'all can do whatever you want.
I'm not saying you don't have to vote for him.
michael seifert
You gotta look at who funds them.
To me, it all comes down to the funding.
Who's backing it with money?
And I don't love the community of funders.
tim pool
That's true.
I'm not as big on that.
They ragged on Rubio for getting NRA money.
And he was like, they're not giving me money to do things, they're giving me money because of the things I do.
And that's the point.
I don't care who's giving DeSantis money, but understand the people who are giving him money are giving him money because he's doing something they like.
michael seifert
Yeah, I expect him to do. Yeah, I I love that too. I get concerned that sometimes though with some politicians
Especially ones that have been known to sort of go where the political winds blow
I eat sort of Jeb Bush in 2016 that the funding really does matter and
There's a reason why Trump was the most grassroots funding campaign that the country's ever seen because he spoke in
the language of the people So he wouldn't behold into anybody at least removes a
temptation when you're funded by the people because you're not having to answer to anybody
else that may remove their campaign funding if you're not operating in a way that they
like.
tim pool
All right.
Dark Gift says, super coincidence.
Just heard of Public Square last week and love the app so much.
Just got my business listed as of yesterday.
michael seifert
Hey, thank you.
Thanks for joining us.
That's awesome.
What's your business?
Shout it out.
We'd love to promote you.
tim pool
Right on.
Bosiva says, do you think New Hampshire will remain a free state or will its blue neighbors slowly forced to become a commie woke state?
Will freedom win?
You know, Luke Rutkowski was like, you got to go to New Hampshire.
You got to go to New Hampshire.
And I was in Florida.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But I said, dude, the issue with New Hampshire is you're surrounded by blue states.
So, I mean, it may be a nice little safe haven so long as this system is existing, but in the event of social breakdown, you're surrounded.
phil labonte
The worst thing about Florida is January.
I'm sorry, worst thing about New Hampshire is January.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
New England's such a weird- You mean there's snow?
phil labonte
Oh god.
It can be awful up there, yes.
tim pool
Nah, I think that'd be awesome.
New England's weird because- As long as you got a good strong internet connection and you know- Hunker down.
You're prepared.
You go snowboarding.
hannah claire brimelow
We're returning to the internet connection.
michael seifert
Broadband.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I mean, New England's weird because you do have people who vote right but there's just not enough of them to turn the state.
So like Maine is very famously, you know, they send Angus King up every year and it is a purple state but They will ultimately always end up blue, at least right now.
I'd love to see a shift.
It's probably not going to happen.
michael seifert
We just moved our headquarters to Florida this month.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
June.
michael seifert
Moved from San Diego.
We're political refugees to Palm Beach, Florida.
I can't do the snow.
tim pool
I'm with you.
I have a lot of... Well, I like the snow.
West Virginia didn't have any this year, which kind of sucked, but... None of this area had snow?
hannah claire brimelow
No.
tim pool
No snow this year.
Wow.
It's like the first time in a long time.
And the fruit is all massive.
So we have pawpaw, which they call hillbilly banana, and normally you'll notice little buds growing this time of year, and then in October they're massive.
They're already massive.
So, I'm wondering if the warm weather has caused them to grow earlier.
The fruit season happened a lot earlier, but it's crazy.
We got grapes everywhere.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I'm wondering if that may be because it was so warm that the year before we had snow, you know, several times.
And you get grapes out here, they're called frost grapes, when at first frost they become sweet, it goes from like tart to sweet.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Now they're everywhere, and we think it may be that because it was so warm, the plants got an early start in spreading and growing and stuff.
michael seifert
What's the hillbilly banana called?
unidentified
Pawpaw.
michael seifert
Pawpaw.
Does it look like a banana?
tim pool
No, it looks more like, um, I don't know, potato?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I'd say potato.
michael seifert
What's it taste like?
hannah claire brimelow
It's supposed to be like the texture.
tim pool
It tastes like if you took mango, banana, and avocado and mashed it all together.
michael seifert
Avocado's interesting to that mix.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe mango-banana mix is probably a better way to describe it.
michael seifert
Gotcha.
So it's still sweet?
tim pool
Oh, it's definitely sweet.
Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's like a, it's a, you peel it open and it's got a, it's like mango inside.
hannah claire brimelow
People make it into all kinds of things, but one of the first times I had it, it was as soda, and you could sell it alongside citrus sodas or pineapple or whatever.
It's really nice.
tim pool
The fruits that we typically have in stores are because they're easy to grow and transport.
So we have probably five billion mulberries, and the people... I can't eat them, I'm allergic, but everybody loves them, and they pick them off the tree just to eat them.
And, uh, you can't transfer them, they break too easily.
Then we've got wild black raspberry.
You can't buy them in stores, for the most part, because the yield is too low, so it's not a cash crop.
But, you've got little black raspberries everywhere, you can pick them and just eat them.
Nobody wants to invest in growing a low-yield crop.
Then we have wine berries everywhere.
They're wine raspberries, they're Chinese raspberries.
There's probably 50 billion of them.
They're literally everywhere.
You just grab a handful, they're like... It's amazing.
They're like little candies, it's amazing.
Alright, T-Rex Pet Shop says, We're so grateful for Public Square.
T-Rex Pet Shop has grown significantly as a result of Public Square.
If you don't like woke pet stores like PetSmart, Chewy, and Petco, support us as an anti-woke alternative.
Michael, do you have pets?
michael seifert
I do not have a pet.
I'm allergic to pretty much everything.
But, T-Rex Pet Shop, you guys are awesome.
I was actually introduced to your stuff last week.
So, big fan of T-Rex Pet Shop.
Check it out.
hannah claire brimelow
Why were you introduced to their stuff if you were allergic to everything?
michael seifert
Well, because our Instagram community loved them.
unidentified
Oh!
michael seifert
Yeah, so everyone was messaging about T-Rex Pet Shop.
There's some really cool pet brands on the app, and they were the one that kept getting shouted out last week in a certain post.
We do these shopping guides where we say, Ditch Chewy and replace it with these companies that are on the app, and they were one of them.
So, shoutouts to T-Rex Pet Shop.
That's pretty cool.
tim pool
Yeah, we have a... Mr. Bogus has to get a very special food.
It's like prescription food.
So, I don't know, T-Rex, I don't know if you mentioned if you had that, we were talking about it before, but we're going to like specialty shops, like online, to find it.
michael seifert
Maybe T-Rex, you got him.
Hook him up.
tim pool
What do we got here?
Eric Miller says, question for Michael, how about having a media tab for Public Square?
You could advertise movies like The Sound of Freedom, comics like Ripperverse, and music like Trash House Records.
michael seifert
It's an amazing question.
I will say this.
Our philosophy as a company is to nail it before we scale it.
And so we have a massive mountain in front of us, which is commerce.
We are trying to literally become the Amazon replacement.
And we're trying to do it, and half the time it took them.
And so we have a massive set of challenges ahead of us, which we are going to excel at and exceed all expectations on.
We will focus on that mountain first, and then we will worry about others.
Having a media alternative, though, is an amazing idea, and I would love to one day incorporate it.
There's actually an incredible company called Lore.
You familiar with lore.tv?
They're amazing.
Check out lore.tv.
Yeah, it's really cool.
They're basically us for films, and they actually allow for consumers to help fund the films they want to see created.
Pretty cool.
So, shout out to Lore, but I love the recommendation.
We certainly want more freedom media and liberty-focused media, that's for sure.
tim pool
Jack Domingo Conway says, I had a work social in San Diego last week.
I was able to push the conversation to Mike Hess Brewing.
I didn't tell anyone it was a Public Square business.
Here's what you do.
Right now, all of you, download Public Square.
Go onto the app, look for companies that your company, your business uses, and switch to those businesses.
So imagine you go to your, maybe you have an office, and you go in the break room, and there's coffee, and there's snacks.
What do you do?
You replace all the coffee with Casper Coffee.
michael seifert
Let's go.
tim pool
You go to, anything you need that you normally have to buy from one of the big chains, go to Public Square first and see if you can find something from a company that doesn't hate you.
And you know what?
And I'll even say this.
Even if a company just doesn't care one way or the other about you, you're still better off going to Public Square because those companies agree with you on American values.
This is what it's all about.
A lot of the stuff that people need to understand when it comes to purchases are like business scale stuff.
So, you know, we were talking about Anheuser-Busch's stock going down.
How much of that is retail investors?
Very little.
It's big institutions that are buying stock and the reason it only moves in certain directions a little bit is because a big investment firm isn't going to sell off every single share.
Retail investors probably sold, but they make up a small portion.
Think about this.
Imagine there's like a guy who's got an office building with like 10 floors and there's 10 break rooms.
So they're spending $5,000 a month on coffee for their couple hundred employees.
Imagine if you went to Public Square, found a coffee company that was competitive and liked you, And switch to that coffee instead or to those notepads or to those pens or whatever it is you might want.
Now you're taking funding away from the massive multinational corporation and giving it to people who actually care about your values.
That's what's got to happen.
michael seifert
It's amazing.
tim pool
That's the plan.
Yeah, so it could be anything.
But this is what Jack Domingo's mentioning, a work social.
Okay.
The next time your company is like, hey, we're doing a picnic, a big thing for the family, you know, why don't you order stuff, say, okay, go to Public Square and try and get everything you can from those businesses.
Some local, some order online, whatever it is you can do.
michael seifert
Did they say Mike Hess Brewing?
Was that in the comment?
tim pool
Mike Hess Brewing.
michael seifert
Oh, yeah.
The guy's a legend.
He's a patriot.
unidentified
Right on.
michael seifert
And a San Diego business that's really well-known for super high-quality stuff.
And actually, that's an important note.
We were talking about Bud Light earlier, how it's basically liquid piss.
If a company like that was able to get so successful and their product sucks, what I
love about your coffee company and the companies that have been already mentioned that are
on Public Square is the only way we win is ultimately if the products are really high
quality also.
Because if we're promoting alternatives that are garbage, we're not going to win in the
People will go find the quality.
But what if you knew that there are actually tens of thousands of businesses that like you, they don't hate you, they don't want to indoctrinate you or your kids, and they happen to offer really high quality stuff?
So, shout out.
tim pool
So this is our Appalachian Nights.
michael seifert
Let's go.
tim pool
We got a bunch of samples sent to us from a distributor, from a roaster, and then we made our own blend.
Can I read your mission on the back?
michael seifert
This is so cool.
Born of a desire for a bold coffee and a need to build companies that support American values, Cast Brew Coffee was built to provide an alternative to the faceless corporate ecosystem and to foster a parallel economy that supports freedom.
That's amazing.
You tapped into a desire, too.
We've talked a lot about the right-left, conservative, progressive, all that, but there's a much deeper desire that goes way past political lines, which is there are a few corporations that run everything, and they don't like us.
And regardless of political affiliation, nobody likes shopping with Amazon because it's a bunch of nameless, faceless corporate brands that don't actually have a story to tell, whereas there are thousands of small businesses like this that actually contribute something positive to society more than just a good profit margin.
I appreciate it.
tim pool
Starbucks views you and me like bees producing honey.
If a bee dies, they don't think twice.
They walk up, they wear their protective gear because they're worried about potential backlash, they go and they harvest the honey as we swarm around, and they don't care what we're saying or what we're doing.
They just want to make sure they're not going to anger the hive and cause problems while they get the honey out.
I don't like that.
I want to make a coffee company that is trying to earn the business of an individual by going
to them, looking them in the eyes and being like, hey man, I have a good coffee, it tastes
great, would you try it?
You do, would you like it?
You should buy from me.
Whereas the Starbucks approach, being so large, is more like, we have 300 million people in
this country.
If we change the price in this way, we'll increase by X percent and all that stuff.
It's all looked at by numbers.
If we do a pride campaign, what's our risk assessment?
It's like, we're going to lose 3% here and 4% there, but gain 6% here and then lose 2% there.
I don't care about any of that stuff.
That's the faceless sales act of the massive multinational corporation.
We want to be like, hey, why don't you come hang out with us at our store?
You should come and we should hang out and play video games.
We want it to be community-based.
The goal of the coffee company is not just to sell bags of coffee on the internet.
That's just the start.
The goal is to create a physical space where people can come and communicate with like-minded
The idea is, you walk into a coffee shop for your morning coffee, and there are TVs, and those TVs are playing Tim Cast, Steven Crowder, they're playing Ben Shapiro, and things like that.
So when the average person is just walking by and getting their coffee, they are now a part of this community too, and welcome to the conversation.
And for other people who don't know who else agrees with them or doesn't and is scared, you know that if you come to a place like this, most people are going to agree with you.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And you're gonna be watching that show, and if they get mad about it, they'll leave.
But the average person's probably gonna be like, he makes a good point.
And you'll be like, I do think he makes a good point.
And then you'll talk with like-minded people.
That's the big vision for doing coffee.
Because otherwise it's like...
You know, we could do a bunch of things.
We could sell supplements, we could sell t-shirts, whatever.
People are like, why coffee?
Well, the real reason is because we want physical spaces.
And hanging out and having a cup of coffee is the place for people to do things.
And we want to put up stages, we're going to have comedy, we're going to have shows.
We want to bring back community.
And one of the big things we want to do is Saturday morning cartoons.
Where parents will come at 7 a.m.
with their kids, cartoons will play that are approved family-friendly, none of this weird woke garbage, and there will be pancake sausage and eggs and whatever, and the parents can hang out and talk while the kids hang out and play, and that creates communal bonds between people who are in these local areas.
That's what I want to do.
That's why I'm pissed off about what's going on in West Virginia when I see them doing drag shows with kids, because that is a problem.
But I will admit, I think that our mission in the long run does away with that culturally by making it unthinkable.
Like Ron Paul said, should abortion be illegal?
It should be unthinkable.
Well, some things should be illegal, some things should be enforced, but we will work to make it so that certain things are unthinkable and we have a good family-friendly community where people work for each other, believe in each other, we respect individual liberties and rights, but we protect kids from predators.
Let's read more Super Chats.
I love it.
michael seifert
Well, we hope not to take your money, but we would love for the businesses on the platform to take your money, certainly.
We are definitely coming after Amazon.
That is our goal.
That's where we're going.
That's ultimately, in the long run, what we aspire to do, but not just by recreating the wheel and doing it the same way Amazon did it.
We actually have a few really key differentiating factors.
For example, the small business point we're talking about.
Amazon, the way they've structured it is that you only see the mega corporate entities that they want you to see, that they have 30% rev share deals with, so you never actually get to see organic small business exposure.
The other thing that's different is obviously that Amazon doesn't have any local functionality.
You don't have an ability to go pick up something from your community or for that to default there, which is a primary difference that we will always keep present.
The future of Public Square, similar to how you're describing this, is very community focused.
It has to be.
Otherwise, you're not really scratching the itch.
If you don't feel like you belong in a community because you need trust in a transaction, you're not going anywhere.
So we are definitely going after Amazon.
We're actually going public so we can be a company that's well-funded enough by the people with some special protections against activist investors, which is really exciting, so that we can be by the people, for the people, owned by we the people, and have that capital to be able to confront this.
This movement is very expensive.
People don't realize that.
Amazon has had billions of dollars to play with.
And so we are going after their power source.
We need people that agree with the principles of liberty and the foundational values that this country was built upon to actually shift their dollars toward companies that embrace those values.
And that has to also be capitalized.
The markets need to be democratized where we, the people, actually have investment opportunities for people to pour money into.
Because right now in the investment world, it's dominated by ESG and DEI.
So from that framework, we are absolutely going after Amazon.
And we got... When are you going public?
We expect to close here in the next month or so.
It's really exciting.
tim pool
To go public and go to the Stock Exchange and everything?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Do the big banner drop?
michael seifert
The whole nine.
unidentified
Wow.
michael seifert
Yeah, yeah.
We're partnered in a SPAC transaction.
So CLBR on the New York Stock Exchange is the SPAC we're partnered with.
So, that's the company that we're essentially taking over, and then we're the existing company on the Stock Exchange.
If you remember Rumble, same way that they went public.
So, D-SPAC transaction, and it's an incredible partnership, and it's a like-minded team that is wanting to take us public, and this will allow us to be a company that's not just funded by angel investors and accredited ones, which I love, but... Are you a billionaire yet?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You're going to be a billionaire.
michael seifert
I'm very poor.
tim pool
You're going to be a billionaire.
michael seifert
We're pouring everything into the company.
tim pool
When I look at this, and I look at Bud Light, the Bud Light effect proves what you're doing is needed.
And let me read the Super Chat for you from Cam Cam.
He says, My wife was about to buy a new dress at Target.
After all of their pride, she went over to Public Square, got a whole new wardrobe.
michael seifert
Let's go!
tim pool
That's awesome.
The stuff that we're seeing... This guy's complaining because you cost him a lot of money.
michael seifert
I know, I'm sorry!
Target was supposed to save you money by that boycott happening, but yeah.
tim pool
Here's what happens first, people say, hey, don't go to Starbucks, boycott Starbucks, and they're like, where am I supposed to go?
michael seifert
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, like, I went to a small cafe, a local cafe, because I was like, I'm not gonna go to Starbucks, and I went in there, and I was like, I would like a cold brew with heavy cream, and they went, okay, and then, I kid you not, The lady pours the coffee, and then she takes the coffee around somewhat behind the counter where I can still see her, turns her back and does something, then walks back over with coffee.
I look at her and I'm like, that's half and half.
And then she's like, yeah.
And I was like, dude, come on.
You could have just told me you didn't have it.
I know that if I go to Starbucks, they've got everything.
And that's unfortunate.
Because I'm not a big fan.
I do like that Starbucks is going the capitalist route of being like, hey, we shouldn't do these decorations anymore because our customer is getting pissed.
That's a good thing.
So I'm of the mind to incentivize corporations to do the good thing.
So I'm not anti-Starbucks.
If they made that move, I think that's where you say like, hey, Starbucks, instead of they're all striking and trying to take money away from you.
I'm going to keep giving you money if you keep doing things that we like.
But what we need is What Public Square provides, an actual way to find what you're looking for.
When you're used to these big corporations, like Target, having what you need, it's hard to know.
How do you just go and find something?
Public Square created that directory.
Now it was easy for this guy's wife to go find a dress.
michael seifert
It's amazing.
It's so good to hear.
phil labonte
Another thing is like, all of the big corporations are already fed right to you.
I mean, if you Google something, or if you search for something, It's cool.
on the internet, it's probably gonna go through Google, it's probably gonna be powered by Google,
and it's probably gonna give you an option to buy it from Amazon automatically
without any kind of input from you.
So the ability to search is a big deal, you know?
tim pool
Yeah.
It's cool, it would be really cool if we get to the point where the businesses that are super activist-y,
they're just, it's gonna get to the point where you're gonna go, you're gonna go on the app
and you're gonna find most businesses being like, we absolutely agree with this.
Because the average person does.
And then you're going to find these weirdo activist businesses struggling and going out of business like that one anti-cop cafe in Seattle, was it?
where they were like, they were saying defund the police or whatever.
michael seifert
And they wouldn't allow cops to even be served.
tim pool
Right. And then because of the crime, they went out of business or something like that.
hannah claire brimelow
I was thinking about how there was a car dealership near us that suddenly there were no cars. And when
I looked it up, it was like, woman owned. It's like, this is a bad sign.
michael seifert
There was a communist coffee shop in Toronto where you could have your coffee free and it
was donation based and they didn't last nine months. But you're right.
I mean, part of our goal, too, is that what actually takes place is a total transformative shift from corporate entities that have made a bad bet on woke activism and ESG and DEI, and it actually totally dismantles those philosophies.
Because the goal, too, is that those companies wake up and realize, like, we took a bad bet.
this was a bad move and the profits are moving not just because people yelled at them but because
unidentified
Yep.
michael seifert
they actually move with their feet and shifted their dollars elsewhere so stories like that
are amazing thank you for sharing that is absolutely the goal. Yep all right let's grab
tim pool
some more super chats. Neglectful Sausage says imagine a state which not not only doesn't stop
but actively promotes child abusers who touch kids.
And you sit here and do nothing, just go, I'm outraged.
How is this different?
You won't stop this right now.
You're referring to me?
I'll tell you what we're doing.
We actually have people reaching out to the Attorney General.
We are absolutely taking this seriously where we have the ability to do so.
I don't live in these other states where this stuff's happening, so what am I supposed to do?
What am I going to New York?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I don't know if it's directed at you, because states like New York with Kathy Hochul, And California are doing enough damage on their own, and they have enormous populations.
I know they lean blue, but surely someone in there should be trying to complain at some point.
tim pool
Look, I went to the reps here in West Virginia, and I was like, I find it absurd that blue states have legalized social poker clubs, but West Virginia hasn't.
And they immediately were like, you're right.
Let's draft legislation and figure out how to make social poker clubs.
The only reason the action is being taken is because someone has to go to them and say, guys, I want action on this.
And they're gonna, if they agree, they agree.
I think there's a strong likelihood that The people we have reaching out to the local law enforcement about these issues, they're gonna be like, you're completely correct.
We're gonna navigate this.
What I believe will be likely to happen is we'll probably get a state level law specifically covering these things.
Instead of being like, we're going to apply what they're doing to an existing law, they'll probably want to say, let's, from this point forward, say we put an end to it.
Because that's typically the easier legal thing to do without starting a bunch of fights.
But we'll see.
Because I think the laws already have it, but you'll get the arguments like, oh, that cohabitation law is ridiculous, nobody would ever enforce something like that, even though it does cover open lewdness in public.
We'll see what happens.
Nathan sees as Karl Marx had an incestuous relationship with his daughter Evelyn.
She committed suicide when he remarried.
His other children died from neglect.
Is that true?
hannah claire brimelow
Looks to Phil.
tim pool
I mean, Phil's the one who's always talking about Marx.
michael seifert
Yeah, you know the philosophers.
phil labonte
Well, I didn't even hear that.
I'm sorry, what was that?
tim pool
Karl Marx had an incestuous relationship with his daughter, Evelyn.
phil labonte
Uh, there's a lot of things about Karl Marx that I've heard.
I've heard incestuous relationships.
I've heard that he had issues with, like, boils because he didn't wash.
I heard he constantly was asking for money from people.
These are all things that I hear from people that tend to not be partial towards Marx, so I don't know how Accurate they are, but I mean they're fun to talk about.
tim pool
It could be that it's just so old that the marks still stay.
Still have the collagen to bounce back?
with CPAP needs to be worn at night and during naps. Marks disappear after a quick face wash.
This is more than CPAP." It could be that it's just so old that the marks just stay.
It's just not the collagen to bounce back. Yeah. Yeah. But what I'm saying is, because
some people are like, no, those straps are CPAP straps.
Yes, I know they are.
My point is, they are trying to hide that he's on oxygen.
I'm not saying he is on oxygen.
I'm saying I don't believe them.
They lie so often.
I would not be surprised if they said, look, if we do the typical method of putting the oxygen tubing in, then people are going to notice.
Let's do a CPAP machine and claim it's just sleep apnea.
It's not a big deal.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Which, this means he, it's implying, I know that photo was, you know, early in the morning,
presumably it would be like you wore it at night, but then he has these marks throughout the day,
then are you implying that he's napping throughout the day?
Like, that also doesn't look good.
None of these options are good.
tim pool
The IV marks on his hand.
michael seifert
Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's so much that it's bruised up.
tim pool
Once a week, I'd bet.
michael seifert
Well, remember during the debates, they had the... Remember you saw the cord that came out of his wrist?
Remember this?
hannah claire brimelow
What was it connected to?
tim pool
Really?
michael seifert
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There was that picture that got leaked of this little cord that looked like a tube that was coming out of his sleeve right here.
tim pool
They had him on an IV drip while he was debating?
michael seifert
How else do you keep him awake for two and a half hours?
tim pool
I bet, I bet NAD.
I bet they're nicotinamide and I bet they're nucleotide.
michael seifert
Oh yeah, NAD IV treatments, yeah.
tim pool
So it's got like B vitamins and stuff in it and it's rejuvenating.
michael seifert
Yeah, people are doing it.
It's expensive.
tim pool
A lot of people do it.
You're tax dollars.
Joe Rogan, I don't think he does it anymore.
Now he takes the NMN, I think.
Someone told me he mentioned on his show that he doesn't do NAD, but he used to do, I think Charlie Kirk swears by it as well.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
You know Biden's doing it.
phil labonte
I think Hunter gives 10% of his crack cocaine to the big guy.
michael seifert
That's what keeps him.
tim pool
While he's sitting next to him.
hannah claire brimelow
Sprinkling it into cereal.
unidentified
Texting him 100% for the big guy.
tim pool
Alright, alright.
We got one more here.
One more here.
SamuraiEAC says, I got my company on Public Square.
We're the largest direct-to-civilian body armor manufacturer in the U.S.
michael seifert
Let's go.
tim pool
We changed the market.
Our company mission is to glorify the Christ by equipping the free men of the United States with tools of liberty.
unidentified
Wow.
michael seifert
What a mission statement.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like these men have so much fun writing these mission statements.
Like, they're powerful.
michael seifert
They're cool.
tim pool
Yeah, when we were writing this, I was like, we need to hit these points.
This is what it's all about.
Alright everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, and go over to TimCast.com, click join us, because the members-only show is going to be silly, spicy, and not-so-family-friendly, and that'll be up in a few minutes.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me at TimCast.
Michael, do you want to shout anything out?
michael seifert
Head to PublicSQ.com.
We'd love it if you join the community.
It's free.
We'll never ask you for money.
We're just going to show you lots of awesome businesses that don't hate you, of all different industries.
So we'd love it if you join us there.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Actually, businesses that like you.
michael seifert
Businesses that like you, yes.
It's really refreshing.
Not everybody hates us.
We have a whole community of folks that don't.
tim pool
Right on.
michael seifert
It's pretty awesome.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you on the internet?
Do you want people to follow you?
michael seifert
I'm on Twitter, Instagram, at Real Michael Seif, S-E-I-F.
The first four letters of my last name on Twitter, and then at Real Michael Seifert on Instagram.
But yeah, PublicSQ.com, you'll see.
I'm not that interesting.
But our company is, so check us out.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
As you heard tonight, you can see our on-the-ground reporting and see stories from me, from Chris Burtman, from a bunch of other great people.
I recorded with Seamus for two hours today for his podcast, Shamers.
It's on Rumble.
At the end of it, he told me, you make me want to rethink the First Amendment.
So I think that's interesting.
Go watch it tomorrow.
phil labonte
That's a heck of a tease.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I think I'm interesting on Rebel.
No, I'm just kidding.
If you want to follow me personally, you can follow me on Instagram at HannahClare.B and on Twitter at HCBrimel.
Thank you so much.
phil labonte
I am Phil Labonte.
I am PhilThatRemains on Twitter, PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains, available on Spotify, Pandora, Apple Music, on YouTube, all the things.
unidentified
And ImSurge.com.
That was a good one, guys.
Always good to see you, Michael.
michael seifert
Good to see you.
Thank you.
Yeah, let's get to the after show.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in a couple minutes.
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