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March 15, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - FIFTH BANK COLLAPSING, SF Bank Plans Sale As Credit Suisse FAILING w/Benny Johnson
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tim pool
So this morning we got news that Credit Suisse was in serious trouble.
This is a European bank, and apparently they got no money.
Many people were predicting this would be the next big bank to fail, and it resulted in trading halts in Europe.
Now, we were trying to figure out what to talk about for the show, because, like, well, do we want to talk about the banking thing again?
Because that's, I mean, it's been big, but we've talked about Credit Suisse.
And then, uh...
About ten minutes before this show is set to go live, we get breaking news from Bloomberg that another San Francisco-based bank is seeking an exit strategy because it was, what did they say, cut to shreds or something?
Just destroyed?
And, uh, okay.
That marks the fifth bank that is either collapsed or facing collapse.
Now, so far there have been three major collapses, the second and third largest in history back-to-back.
Credit Suisse is a very, very large international bank, and if this one goes down, it is very bad news.
And then we got First Republic, which the news is just breaking, so we'll talk about that.
We got a bunch of other news, too.
I was torn as to whether or not to lead with this, because James O'Keefe is going to call in the show, quite literally call in, he's actually going to call Benny Johnson, and Benny Johnson's going to hold his phone up to the microphone, because we don't actually have a way to do real call-ins on this show.
And that's intentional, but for James, launching his new O'Keefe Media Group, we decided to figure out a way to make an exception, so he'll literally just call Benny on the phone, we're going to hold the phone up to the microphone.
And then we have to talk about AI.
Because the new chat GPT apparently has been granted access to its own code to execute code.
It's been given money and unleashed.
This is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
Microsoft apparently, I'm not sure if it's Microsoft or whoever, whatever the parent company is, got rid of their AI ethics team.
And now people are kind of worried that they've created this soulless entity, this domino effect, and they're unleashing it.
Is this going to, you know, destroy the world and all that?
So, you know, we'll talk about it.
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As I already mentioned, joining us tonight is a man who did more for East Palestine, Ohio, than Joe Biden, Mr. Benny Johnson.
benny johnson
I'm really sad that that's true, but it is absolutely, verifiably, empirically correct.
tim pool
And you did a lot for a single American individual, but in the grand scheme of things, giving $20,000 out is like, as low as it can be.
You know, so like, for you as a single person, that's a huge, that's huge.
For Joe Biden, the federal government, it is sad.
They did nothing at all.
benny johnson
Yeah, this is like, um, not even Nancy Pelosi's plastic surgery bill for a Wednesday.
ian crossland
What was, uh, what'd you use the money for?
What'd they use the money for?
benny johnson
I'm not sure.
ian crossland
Did you just say it was like a gift?
You were able to gift people?
benny johnson
It was cash.
ian crossland
Do you have a foundation that does it?
benny johnson
We just took our profits for the month and we went up to East Palestine and we handed those people an envelope with a thousand dollars in it.
We went to Google Maps and we found where the crash site was.
Then we went to the homes that were closest to the crash site.
I wish I could have given money to everyone.
This was Three days after the crash, no one was helping these people?
If this had been in Philadelphia?
tim pool
I'm sorry, if it had been in Kiev.
benny johnson
If this had been in Kiev?
You know, actually, our president went and traveled to the place that is as far away from East Palestine as you can possibly get, actually.
So, while we were heading up to East Palestine, Joe Biden went as far on a map as you can actually get, which is Kiev, Ukraine, from East Palestine, the polar opposite of the world, to prove that America Last is the guiding principle of Joe Biden's administration.
tim pool
Ukraine first.
benny johnson
Yeah, that's right.
ian crossland
Thanks for doing that, dude.
tim pool
We'll talk about that, too, and then we'll talk about what the federal government will do for Americans when the banks all collapse, which is probably nothing, but thanks for hanging out, Benny.
It's gonna be fun.
unidentified
What's up, guys?
tim pool
And then we're gonna have James call your phone, so that'll be in about 25 minutes or so.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
Right now we got Phil Labonte hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, I am Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
ian crossland
I'm also Ian Cross, I'm coming at you hot.
What's up?
unidentified
And I am Serge.com.
Let's roll.
tim pool
So let's jump into this breaking news that actually just broke right before the show started.
We have this from Bloomberg Markets just in First Republic Bank.
The San Francisco-based lender that was cut to junk by S&P and Fitch is exploring strategic options, including a sale.
Let me break that down for you.
A sale means they're about to fall apart.
What's happening right now with Silicon Valley Bank and this major collapse that the federal government is stepping in and they are trying to sell it off.
They've insured all deposits.
SVB apparently put out a statement where they're like, it's the safest place to have your money because the government has insured all deposits with no caps.
So it's like funny money, monopoly money.
Yo, if this is how they're viewing the system, there ain't no system.
phil labonte
There is no system.
tim pool
So we were going to talk about this other story.
Look at this one.
Dow closes more than 250 points lower as bank crisis spreads to Europe.
Live updates.
This is from CNBC.
And they're talking about Credit Suisse.
According to one of their main investor guys or main companies, there's no money left.
There's no money.
And the Saudis, which apparently are principal investors, saying they can't give any more because of regulations.
So it's looking like Credit Suisse, which is a very large international bank, is on the verge of collapsing.
This was already predicted.
The bond market apparently is doing very, very poorly.
And we've talked about that in the past week.
So as we're talking about this, right before the show starts, Phil's like, hey Tim, First Republic Bank is trying to sell now, it's another SF Bank, so this is going to be the fifth bank.
We've got Silvergate was the first.
Most people didn't know or didn't care because it wasn't that big, but Silvergate collapses.
Then, what happened was because of that, Silicon Valley Bank put out this statement about raising money and it caused a panic.
Everybody said, is this going to be like Silvergate?
I don't want to lose my money, so there's a run in the bank.
Silicon Valley Bank then falls apart.
Then Signature Bank falls apart.
Some people are trying to claim that that bank was better, but I don't know.
All I know is that's three banks that fell, and now we have Credit Suisse and First Republic on the chopping block.
So I don't know.
ian crossland
I'm going to defer to Max Keiser, economist.
tim pool
Did he say the end is nigh?
ian crossland
He said, he tweeted out about four hours ago, a global bank reset is coming.
All depositors will have their deposits protected.
This is Max Keiser.
All your deposits will be protected, he's saying.
He says the U.S.
dollar and other fiat money will be swapped for a central bank digital currency and depositors will be given a bonus amount of the new currency when the switch is made.
phil labonte
You had to make this too sweet in the deal.
ian crossland
Like a quick version of the Euro switch, he concludes.
Terrifying, but I see the plan.
I mean, he knows, he's seen this for about a decade in the making.
He's in El Salvador, you know, hanging out with the president and pushing Bitcoin as the national currency.
phil labonte
I like him a lot, but the thing about permabears is permabears are permabears.
So when bad times come, they look like they're geniuses because they're permabears.
You know, it's like, Like, they're always... Permanently bearish?
Yeah, permanently bearish.
He's permanently bearish on fiat currency.
He's permanently bearish on... He's right!
I am also against the structure of our fiat system currently, I agree.
tim pool
Can I just say, if I had listened to Max Keiser like 10 years ago, I'd be a very happy person living on my own private island.
Because he was like, Tim, I'm telling you, you've got to buy Bitcoin right now.
And I was like, I got a little bit.
I'm not worried about it.
You've got to buy more.
phil labonte
Listen, Tim is fibbing to you because Tim could live on his own island right now if he wanted to.
tim pool
That's not true.
unidentified
That's not true.
tim pool
Max Keiser.
benny johnson
This is his own island.
This is kind of like having your own island.
It's amazing coming out here.
tim pool
It is a mountaintop.
Yeah, to be fair.
benny johnson
I was standing out with the chickens before the show.
I'm standing out with the chickens, I'm looking around.
tim pool
I'm not like the only person on your own island.
I mean, there's like people who live close by.
And it's it's not like mountains, you know, in the Rockies, it's it's the it's the smoky, it's the Blue Ridge, you know, beautiful.
It's a bunch of dirt.
Yeah, no minerals in it.
Nothing like that.
benny johnson
You have your own harem of chickens.
tim pool
Well, that's Roberto Jr.' 's harem.
He's a very busy man.
But in all seriousness, I have the tweet from Max Keiser that Ian was referencing, where he says a global bank reset is coming.
And a lot of people think this is to bring about a central bank digital currency, which is going to be the government's crypto, which they control.
And the reason they'll do this is because they can track every single purchase.
Everything you ever do, they will track.
ian crossland
Like before the show, we were talking about this, and it's like if you want to go buy gasoline on Thursday, but that day is not good for ESG, they're going to say, you know what, your central bank coin doesn't work at the gas station today.
benny johnson
That kind of control.
ian crossland
Take a bite of your guns.
benny johnson
Take a bite of your gun purchases.
tim pool
That's right.
benny johnson
They're already, I mean, they're beta testing this with the credit cards.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, Discover, I think.
tim pool
Well, credit cards was the first step towards digital currency.
Now you're swiping a card.
It's funny because futuristic sci-fi and video games always had this.
We've envisioned this.
Play a video game and it's like a guy in the future goes, how many, how many, you know, union credits.
And that's what they would call it, union credits.
And then they would just have like a wristwatch and they would beep.
And that's where we are!
ian crossland
In a way, it's more secure because it can't be stolen from your pocket, but in the other way, it's completely insecure because someone else... Well, they can turn it off!
phil labonte
Literally, it's programmable money.
They're going to be able to say, this money is for this, and then you have other money that you can use for other things.
So there will be luxury money, like you'll have money for leisure time that you're allowed to spend at the movies, or downloading stuff, or whatever.
Then you'll have like necessities money, etc.
And different, like if you have a low ESG score, you won't get a lot of credits for luxury and leisure.
Those will be the ones to entice people.
Remember in, what was it, the fifth element, the cigarettes that they were giving out.
They were mostly filter, just a little bit of cigarette on them.
That kind of control is the future if we get a central bank digital currency.
tim pool
It's now.
We've already seen in like Denver, where they were like, you can't turn on your air conditioning and the AC locked.
Or in, I think California, they were like, you can't charge your electric car.
benny johnson
What about South Africa?
Where they're like, you have no right to electricity.
You thought you had electricity rights in South Africa?
Nope.
Government doesn't have to constitutionally provide you electricity.
Figure out your own, build your own electricity.
Thomas Edison.
tim pool
I'm actually thinking about that.
because we have a small creek on the property.
And I'm like, can we trench this and then put a water wheel in there?
Yeah, generate some power.
benny johnson
And he says he doesn't live in his own island.
Come on.
tim pool
It's a big plot of land in West Virginia.
phil labonte
You'll want to get the batteries to store it.
That's really the storage is the thing.
tim pool
And then what happens is overnight, it charges a decent amount.
You'll probably drain all of it very quickly because a water wheel is not gonna,
it's not a fast moving river.
benny johnson
Yeah, I mean, in Florida, you get these guys coming up,
knocking on your door all the time.
I live in Tampa, and they're like, yo, look at your house, it's great!
Can we put solar panels up on the top, and we'll give you this much money?
Because the power companies pay us for your solar panels.
Have you done it?
I have not done it.
tim pool
I think it's a really good idea for you to do that.
benny johnson
I would rather do it for myself.
unidentified
Right.
benny johnson
Right?
So I have a generator.
So I have an LP, like a generator, right, that runs on gas.
phil labonte
LP, yeah.
benny johnson
And so when the hurricane hit, my generator kicked on.
So awesome.
Uh, and, but what if someone cuts off the gas line?
They can't cut off the sun, I don't think.
phil labonte
Get a tank.
benny johnson
So maybe solar is the way.
phil labonte
Get tanks.
Get LP tanks.
I got a thousand gallon LP tank and I'm gonna get two more.
And I need to get, uh, someone in New England that can install house batteries, like Tesla house batteries.
I can't find anyone.
Anyone out there in New England that installs house batteries in southern New England?
Hit me up.
ian crossland
Where should they hit you up?
tim pool
It took us a long time to get that.
phil labonte
On my Twitter.
tim pool
We went with a different company.
We tried doing Tesla at first, and then it just took too long.
It was a disaster.
A year later, they showed up with the stuff, and we were like, dude, we just don't want it.
We're going with someone else.
phil labonte
I got the solar now, and I like it.
I put a new roof on last year, and they came.
They took the solar panels off, so I could put the new roof on.
No problem, no issues.
But I can't find someone that'll actually sell me it.
benny johnson
Do you like your solar panels?
phil labonte
I do, yeah.
Yeah, I do.
benny johnson
I really want to get the... Do you get to keep the energy, or do you have to sell part of it to the power company?
phil labonte
Right now I have to sell it back because I don't have the batteries because it's New England and there's not a lot of sun.
tim pool
But you get like credits.
phil labonte
Yep.
Social credits.
tim pool
So here, let me show you this.
phil labonte
It's the basis for it.
tim pool
Let me show you this real quick.
This is from TheMotleyFool.
Why are Wells Fargo and Citigroup falling today?
And I don't really care to get into the details.
I just want to then show you this story.
This is from Seeking Alpha.
Wells Fargo, no crisis here.
Well, okay.
So, you get to decide for yourselves whether or not you think the end is nigh.
Because, uh, I'll put it this way.
Right before the show starts to get breaking news, another bank is in serious trouble.
And you're gonna hear from the Jim Cramers and from the Bidens.
They're all gonna say, everything is fine, your deposits are safe, don't worry about it.
Maybe.
Maybe.
But I don't know how much I trust these guys, and that's the problem, because I feel like when they come out and say, don't worry, everything's fine, they're actually having the inverse impact they think they are.
Everyone's gonna hear that and be like, run for the hills.
Get your money out of the banks.
benny johnson
People don't like hearing banks being like, it's all fine!
Nobody, don't pay attention to the little man behind the curtain.
ian crossland
This is the four of America's biggest banks lost a combined $55 billion in value on Thursday.
That's today.
tim pool
No, that's today's Wednesday.
That's last week.
ian crossland
Last week, geez.
Well, don't trust anyone to live your life for you.
That's some advice.
Take care of yourself and use your brain.
phil labonte
I imagine this is like you were talking about it the other day, Tim.
I imagine this is not the end of the problems that we've got that are coming.
I think that these, the bank failures here are going to, I think that it's probably going to lead to more stress in
the system.
I don't... I'm not predicting, you know, a crash because I have no way of predicting the future at all and I'm not, you know, I'm not an economics guy.
But it's not a bad idea to get yourself squared away so that way you have, you know, some necessities if you're able.
The scary thing is that...
tim pool
The scariest thing is that people who want the system to fail will intentionally go out and take all their money out of the banks.
I mean, could you imagine people who are upset with the status quo and, say, the two-party system and establishment politics, intentionally taking all their money out of banks because they want those banks to fail, which would cause the system to collapse?
Who could imagine doing something like that?
benny johnson
So this is what Vivek Ranswami said.
He's a very smart guy.
He's running for president.
He was on the show two days ago.
And he's like, no, no, no.
These hedge fund guys wanted to get their money.
And they wanted a bailout, and they didn't like their money being locked up in a 2% bond, and so they actually staged a run on the bank.
He's like, this is the untold story, that these guys are so greedy that they needed the extra couple points, they were locked up in a 10-year treasury, they needed that out, and the easiest way to get that out was to collapse the bank.
That's how evil these people are.
So these hedge fund guys, these bros got together, finance bros got together, and they're like, how do we stage a run on the bank?
You tweet about it and I'll tweet about it.
Maybe we can get Tyson to take his money out.
And then we'll start the run on the bank.
And then the federal government will have no choice.
Because they're already on fragile ground.
The ice is breaking beneath all of us.
And so they'll come in and they'll insure us all and we'll just get our money.
We'll just be able to do one little deposit.
And get our money back.
phil labonte
And the government will literally trip over itself to print the money because of the situation we're in, where the rest of the economy is so delicate, and they're trying, you know, raising the interest rates and stuff, the rest of the economy is dying to go into recession, just begging for an excuse to go into recession.
And they're just like, F them!
F the country!
benny johnson
Yo, let me just drop something right here, that I have, this is verified, this is true, there's huge finance for China, okay?
In Silicon Valley Bank.
The bio-research for China.
Silicon Valley Bank funded it to the tune of billions, right?
Ton of Chinese companies.
Chinese companies use Silicon Valley Bank as a really nice bridge, right, between the two nations.
What about China using fifth generation warfare without firing a shot can collapse our financial system just by yanking out all their money?
Dang.
What if the Chinese just said, okay, now all the money comes to us?
So crash the banks just by withdrawing.
ian crossland
Maybe that's why I haven't pulled my money out.
benny johnson
The easiest thing you've ever done.
You can collapse a nation just by going, ka-ching!
ian crossland
You know, when I heard about this first bank collapse last week, I guess it was.
This is the Silicon Valley bank.
My first, I had this feeling like, get your money out.
This wave of feeling.
Without even words or anything, it was just like, get it out.
And then I just, it passed over me and I was like, No.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
If it disappears, it disappears.
That's because I feel like it is.
Someone is gaming this.
It does feel like that.
It feels like this was an intentional... It's not real panic.
phil labonte
That's a little more passive than the average person is probably prepared to be with their life savings.
tim pool
Maybe they want you to pull the money out to collapse the system so they can then introduce a command economy and central bank digital currency.
phil labonte
That is completely and totally reasonable in my opinion.
tim pool
Now, all the banks fall, the federal government comes out and says, don't worry, all those banks have failed, but your money has been automatically converted by the FDIC into FedCoin, so your money is still available to you in digital form.
Download this app if you want to get access to it.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Just like that, right?
Then they'll say, we've cataloged your accounts by social security number, log in to federalgovernment.coin
or whatever, and type in your social, and your address, and your name, and your phone
number, and then all of your accounts have consolidated your Fedcoin, your USD coin into
one place or whatever they want to call it, and then you can spend it using this app.
phil labonte
There's already, and people that are unfamiliar with the crypto world may not be aware, there's
already what they call stablecoins that are tethered to the value of the dollar.
There's one called Tether that is design specific.
tim pool
Sorry, just as you're talking, CNBC drops a breaking, Japan's Topix drops 2%, Asia-Pacific markets fall as Credit Suisse adds to banking fear.
I'm just sitting here like, I think it's worse than we realize.
phil labonte
I mean, it could be.
God damn it.
Okay, look, you should have bought guns in 2020 when the summer of love kicked off.
But anyways, like I was saying, there are cryptos in existence that are already Pegged to the value of the dollar.
So there's already a basic infrastructure to have a dollar coin, right?
A dollar crypto that the Fed makes.
It's a simple transition for them.
It is not hard at all.
The crypto wallets, they can design those and put those into, make them for your phone or whatever.
And I mean, it's not a far step away.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from Daily Mail.
Woke Silicon Valley Bank donated over $73 million to Black Lives Matter-related social justice groups before it collapsed, while failed Signature Bank gave $850,000.
So that's where your money went.
If you're wondering why Silicon Valley Bank failed, and where's your money at, there it is.
You can ask Black Lives Matter where your money went.
ian crossland
They gave their money to ESG, they bankrupted it, and then they just bail it out with taxpayer money.
It's the most corrupt If this is recorded in history books, which I hope it will be, it'll be seen as like the most corrupt financial scandal in US history.
tim pool
When the communist takeover happens in the United States, and lasts for a hundred years or whatever, after it falls, the people who survive will write about how they took over by using private institutions to fund far-left extremism, and then have taxpayer dollars fund out those organizations.
Think about this.
A bank gives 73 million dollars to far-left extremism, Collapses.
The taxpayer bails him out.
That's how you launder taxpayer money into ideological subversion.
Crafty stuff.
ian crossland
It's like taxation without representation.
I didn't ask to have my money sent towards that crap.
phil labonte
Well, what they would say is you didn't do your own research about where this company is doing business, because they probably put out a prospectus that had all of this stuff laid out.
ian crossland
But it's the taxpayer bailout that I didn't sign up for.
Oh, right.
phil labonte
Tough.
tim pool
But it's only sort of taxpayer-funded.
They're gonna use the FDIC, which is paid into from banks, but they're supposed to use the money for the little guy and they're giving it to the billionaires and the millionaires.
So it is taking away from you, but in a different way.
And how it affects the taxpayer when they're like, it's not going to cost the taxpayer a dime, it will not, I repeat, it will not.
They're lying because what actually is going to happen is the financial damage from all of this is already rippling out to everyone.
The fact that stocks fell in these banks means retirement accounts are taking hits.
And that means older people are probably now looking at their budgets being like, I guess we don't eat this month.
So yes, it absolutely does hit everybody when they do this.
And that's their argument is, well, we can't have the social contagion or we can't have the The banking contagion spread around and destroyed the economy, can we?
I say, yeah, we can.
benny johnson
Well, tough luck.
So, the average American household has $10,000 in cash in their reserves.
East Palestine, the median household income was $41,000 a year.
That's how normal Americans live.
Now, 95% of depositors had over the $250,000 maximum for federal insurance.
So you're talking the uber-rich of the uber-rich, based on the data for American solvency, right?
And liquidity.
So you're talking the richest of the rich.
This is a bailout of the richest of the rich.
And they're woke, too, to make it worse.
tim pool
If they were rich and libertarian, I might be like, well... They're the laptop class.
phil labonte
They're the worst.
benny johnson
So put this in context here.
It took the government nigh on a month To lift a finger for East Palestine, where they nuked a bunch of little children and poisoned their water, and they had this locked up by Saturday.
Yellen had this done in an emergency meeting by Saturday.
Billions of dollars, bailing out the richest and the wokest of the woke, because they're their donors.
tim pool
Joe Biden gets up at 9 in the morning for an emergency announcement, and Jen Psaki is like, he doesn't do this normally, he's a night owl.
And I'm like, this MF-er flew across the planet to give half a billion dollars to Ukraine, and he didn't lift a finger for East Palestine, but he wakes up at the crack of dawn to make sure he can assure all the woke Silicon Valley investors your money's safe.
What a piece of garbage.
But he's talking to the people who vote for him and the people who fund him, and that's why he does it.
phil labonte
The people of East Palestine voted for Trump so he could give to You're both right, but everybody here knows that to make the wealthy suffer means that the poor suffer more.
Every single time.
If you really want to hurt the wealthy, if you want, and this is part of why socialism doesn't work, Right, like, the idea is get the money from the wealthy, right?
But when you get the money from the wealthy, the people that don't have any money, they get smashed.
And it's literally, that's why communism and socialism doesn't work, because when you hurt the producers, the wealthy are always the ones that are producing.
Like, the reason they have money and stuff is because they're doing stuff.
So as much as the incentive is like, or the gut feeling is like, make them suffer, right?
Like, that's what you want.
You want them to pay.
But it's gonna hurt the poor people, and I'm not sure that it's worth it.
I don't, you know, I don't want it.
benny johnson
I don't want to suffer.
I don't want anyone to suffer.
First and foremost, the major problem here, the major problem here, first and foremost, is constitutional.
Okay?
So, Article 1 and 2 of the Constitution.
Congress controls the purse.
Congress passed a law to insure $250,000 worth of deposits.
That is a law by Congress.
How Joe Biden has the bloody cheek to think that he can just go through and rewrite this law and spend this money and turn on this faucet.
tim pool
Trial balloon.
benny johnson
Is beyond me.
Now, I tell you, they did it with the vaccine mandate.
They did it with student loans.
They did it with student loans.
tim pool
The ATF.
benny johnson
Now he's getting smacked in the pee pee on both of those.
But here we go again.
He's rewriting the Constitution in real time.
tim pool
The ATF passed a law without Congress.
They made an object illegal.
Braces for pistols.
benny johnson
Yes.
tim pool
They're saying that you can go to jail, but they never actually had Congress pass a law banning such an object.
These are all trial balloons.
But we're still there, grains of sand being added to the heap, where the executive branch of the government says, we can make anything we want legal or illegal and no one will stop us.
So, it's not just the things you talked about, but you were correct.
Right?
The financial stuff, like the FDIC, him saying, I can just give the money if I want.
What are you going to do about it?
The fact that he can just take money and give it away.
He doesn't have those powers, but who will stop him?
ian crossland
Who's supposed to stop him?
benny johnson
That's exactly right.
ian crossland
Who's supposed to stop him?
benny johnson
I don't know.
Congress.
phil labonte
Congress.
benny johnson
So Congress is Article 1 for a reason.
Again, people don't understand.
Congress is Article 1.
Congress was supposed to be the important branch.
tim pool
Yeah.
benny johnson
Article 2 is the presidency.
That was supposed to be like the backwater.
tim pool
Military.
phil labonte
Yep.
benny johnson
That was supposed to be the backwater.
That's why they put old Washington in charge.
Old Washington.
To kind of putz around and talk to different countries and talk about the military and chew on his wooden teeth.
And Congress was where the action was.
And that's the way it was designed.
Because, of course, Congress itself is far more representative of all of us.
You can get a dumbass president But it's hard, you know, Congress is going to be a lot... We saw this with the McCarthy fight, right?
Congress is going to be where real populism happens.
ian crossland
Dude, we were at Congress on Friday, last Friday, and we were talking to Matt Gaetz and Steve Bannon came in, and Steve Bannon was like, get ready guys, because on Monday they're going to come in and they're going to start asking you that they need this bailout.
It was the next morning, they did it without Congressional authority.
tim pool
They didn't ask!
benny johnson
They didn't ask!
tim pool
So, poor silly Steve Bannon, who thought they would actually go to Congress this time to ask.
Instead, they just went, it's done.
benny johnson
That's right.
ian crossland
Amazing.
That indicates that they're going to do it again in some other fashion.
That they'll be like, oh, your dollars that you thought were dollars, they're digital currency now, don't ask questions.
And who's supposed to question this?
Congress.
tim pool
Let me tell you a story.
I have a Spanish friend.
And in 2012, the end of 2012, I went to Spain because they're having big protests.
And I asked my Spanish activist friend why the protests had been going on and persisting.
And she told me it all started with the euro.
So this is many years ago for these young people.
Unemployment, why unemployment was so very high, why the economy was destroyed.
And what she said was, The currency of Spain was, I think it was the Peseta?
Is that what it was?
And you'd go out to your, you'd wake up in the morning, you'd go to your cafe, you'd grab a newspaper, you'd grab a muffin or something and a coffee, and each of those items was one Peseta.
The newspaper was one, the muffin was one, the coffee was one.
Three Peseta, and you got everything you need.
Then they decided to roll out the euro and they wanted it normalized for all of Europe.
She said one day they woke up and the newspaper cost one euro instead.
The muffin cost one euro and the coffee cost one euro.
The only problem is in order to actually buy the euro, you needed three peseta per one euro.
So all of your goods, everything jumped up three times their cost overnight.
And then all of a sudden the economy started falling apart and then young people couldn't find jobs.
They went into a financial crisis, started protesting.
With the Central Bank Digital Currency, we may see something similar, but perhaps they will try and incentivize people into giving up their freedom by saying, well, if you click the I Agree button on the app, you get 1.5 times your deposit.
So if you had $100 in the bank, you'll have 150 FedCoin.
And FedCoin can be used anywhere because it is legal tender and must be accepted by all businesses.
ian crossland
Oh, and they'll be like, if you don't buy gasoline this month, we'll pay you a thousand
dollars kind of crap of their phone.
tim pool
Oh, oh, oh, yeah.
Fed coins.
Centralized Command Bank is going to have a thing where it's like you can opt in for
lower my energy costs, and then it'll be like it will show you your coins going up very
slowly and it'll be like by not using electricity, you're earning and then it will show you the
coin.
ian crossland
You'll flip your lights off.
It'll take a little faster and you'll be like, oh, all the things I can.
phil labonte
That's really what it is, it's the amount of money that they take out of your per month
credit.
tim pool
Because while it's going up, what they're not telling you is they're also inflating the coin by producing more.
So it's not really going up!
ian crossland
Yeah, that's the thing about these.
They're not going to be on a blockchain.
These central bank digital currencies are not planned, from what I've read, to be on a blockchain.
So there's not going to be trackable.
No one's going to know what the malfeasance in the background.
Yeah, they'll be printing it.
We won't know.
That's the problem.
phil labonte
There's no incentive for the government to put their currency... I mean, right now, We can't get the Federal Reserve audited, never mind control over the Federal Reserve.
There's no way a federal coin is going to be on a public open blockchain.
That's why Bitcoin is great.
As much as people want to go ahead and crap on crypto and stuff like that, I get it.
There are people who don't understand it, whatever.
The great thing about Bitcoin is the fact that it's decentralized, that it's international,
it's not controlled by anyone, there's no single entity that controls it.
And I know that there's people super focused on like the dollar amount of a coin.
That's not what the important part of Bitcoin is.
Bitcoin is a protocol like email.
tim pool
Except, right, Bitcoin may be the precursor intentionally designed to bring about central
centralized digital currencies in that for all global currency there is gold.
Gold is a store of value.
Bitcoin, they say, is digital gold.
Not everybody agrees, but Bitcoin, they say, is digital gold.
And so maybe these powers wanted Bitcoin to exist.
They wanted people to get very, very wealthy off of it.
They wanted to have an idea in the public that if you bought Bitcoin, you were rich now.
Then when they roll out FedCoin, they're going to be like, don't miss the train.
Because if you buy Fedcoin, it's gonna be worth ten times what it is in three days.
Are you gonna sit back?
phil labonte
Play in the FOMO.
tim pool
And it's gonna work?
Let's jump to this next story.
ian crossland
It's actually 8.30.
I know we're going to have an incoming call.
benny johnson
So James is finishing up a radio interview.
He'll call at 8.40.
unidentified
8.40?
tim pool
Beautiful.
We'll keep talking about Bitcoin.
ian crossland
I want to give a little time capsule to the future after the dust settles and you guys start creating a new currency.
Make a currency that deflates automatically the longer it sits in your account so you're encouraged to spend it to create You mean literal currency?
No!
A deflationary currency encourages circulation.
tim pool
Deflationary means its value goes up.
ian crossland
Uh, well, it actually, so if you have a dollar and it sits there, tomorrow you'll have 99 cents.
phil labonte
That's not deflationary.
tim pool
That's inflationary.
That's literally what the dollar does.
And they do it for the purpose of trying.
unidentified
No.
Yes.
ian crossland
I'm talking about a coin that actually disappears into nothingness.
tim pool
Right, right, right, right.
unidentified
That's what the dollar does.
tim pool
One dollar in 1908 is worth, a dollar today is worth like what, three cents compared to a dollar a hundred years ago?
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's because they printed a bunch more.
But in this situation, you'd print 20 million coins.
tim pool
It's the same thing.
It's the same function.
ian crossland
In reverse.
tim pool
It's the same thing.
phil labonte
It's the same function.
unidentified
No, no.
ian crossland
It's a deflationary currency.
phil labonte
It's the same function.
It's the same function.
tim pool
Ian, you just don't understand, but you're describing the same thing.
ian crossland
You would never print a new one.
tim pool
You'd have them all built off the bat.
You're just describing a different means of doing the same thing.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's not deflationary.
Deflationary means the value goes up, not down.
ian crossland
The value goes up because they're harder to find.
Yeah.
I guess.
But you could also create more of them.
tim pool
I guess you're actually right on that one.
If the money disappears, then it becomes more scarce and more valuable.
So you're not actually losing any value, and there is no incentive to spend.
In fact, the incentive is to hold onto it because it's disappearing.
ian crossland
But then you'll be able to create more of it, and it'll constantly keep disappearing.
So it's like you don't want to have it.
phil labonte
So then it's like having an expiration date on your money to increase the velocity.
ian crossland
Because the biggest problem is wealth hoarding.
I think we've got to keep on the line.
benny johnson
So speaking of people who disappear and come back more valuable, we got James O'Keefe on the line.
We got the Bitcoin of investigative reporters on the line here.
James O'Keefe who launched a brand new organization today called OMG.
unidentified
Hey guys, this is James O'Keefe.
How you doing, Tim?
tim pool
Hell yeah, dude!
Hey guys, can you hear me?
ian crossland
Hey Tim, Tim, it's James.
Yeah, dude.
benny johnson
This is as high as I can get it.
James, make sure you're not on like AirPods or anything.
Is it, is the, is the, and on speakerphone.
tim pool
Okay, there we go.
unidentified
Hey guys, can you hear me?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Hey Tim, Tim, it's James.
tim pool
How you doing?
I'm doing, I'm doing pretty well.
unidentified
Well, I just launched a new thing.
So Keef Media Group, and I just wanted to call in to tell you guys hello.
I appreciate you guys being there for me.
Absolutely.
I watched all your episodes, and you were pretty much right on about it all, so thank you, Tim, for being a good stand-up guy.
tim pool
Well, uh, we all, we all appreciate the, the work you do.
One of the last few, if not the last real news organization and, and newsman.
And, uh, what happened with Project Veritas was shocking.
So we're excited to see O'Keefe Media Group.
We got, we got the tweet pulled up.
You wanna pull up that while James is talking?
We actually have your video.
We're gonna play in a second.
ian crossland
So James, what's the premise?
unidentified
The premise is like Uber for journalism.
We're going to be sending thousands of cameras to people all over the world.
And we already have a few hundred that have emailed us today and they want to wear the camera.
So our website is going to be totally dedicated to equipping, mobilizing, empowering, and training citizen journalists.
On the scale of likes that you've never seen before in your life.
And so many people after what happened to me after the Pfizer story were inspired.
So we're just gonna do this on a massive scale now.
And you have the website.
It's live.
Benny, I was inspired by Benny's film noir, his style.
And we had me getting out of a black car.
I don't know if you caught that joke, Tim.
We also had me stealing someone's sandwich.
I don't know if you guys get that.
It's an inside joke.
You have to read between the lines.
And then some little dancing, because people don't like when I dance.
It really upsets demons when I dance.
They don't like that at all.
They get really angry about me being artistic.
So a lot in there.
OMG, O'Keefe Media Group.
And thank you guys for just being good people, for being real.
I hope to come visit you down there.
tim pool
Yeah, come by anytime.
We're going to play your video and we're going to talk about your new venture.
We're going to talk about corporate press and all that stuff in a moment.
unidentified
Yeah, I want to come down there and talk to you about corporate press and ownership.
I've just learned so much.
But definitely piss off the haters.
Share that video of me dancing, getting out of black cars, stealing sandwiches.
Sandwiches always taste better when they were in the hands of a pregnant lady.
So, that's just the way it is.
I say that tongue-in-cheek, okay, just for all of you listeners.
I'm being a little ironic there.
Right on.
But thanks, Tim.
tim pool
No, seriously, man, good work.
Appreciate it.
benny johnson
One question, James, what are you working on right now?
unidentified
Oh, gee.
I mean, first of all, we have a follow-up on the fire story.
We got a massive tip.
A lot of three-letter government agency stuff coming in through our pipeline.
And what aren't we working on?
I'm in the little war room with 10 people.
These are ride-or-die people.
These are really good people that have been working 15 hours a day over the last few days.
So you'll see our next story in the coming days, guys.
It's going to be big.
benny johnson
That's how we roll.
That's how we roll at O'Keefe Media Group.
unidentified
O-M-G.
phil labonte
I love the name.
The name is so good.
tim pool
Well, we gotta get you out here sometime, so as soon as you can.
unidentified
I would love to.
I've learned a lot about, as you say, ownership of media.
That's a theme I want to touch on with you.
I'll have a few stories.
Thanks, guys.
I gotta run.
Benny, you're the best.
tim pool
Later, James.
benny johnson
Thanks, James.
tim pool
So let us show you the video from O'Keefe Media so you can watch it for yourself.
And I'll just play it.
Here we go.
Here we go.
unidentified
The irony of the acorn story is that it took a 25-year-old with a hidden camera a few days to do what billion-dollar networks and journalists could not do in a decade.
I spent 14 years creating the most effective non-profit newsroom this country has ever seen.
And in paving the way to establish citizen journalism, I have been defamed, arrested, raided, and ultimately removed from the organization I spent so much time developing credibility of.
I always knew they would try to ruin the reputations of those who expose them, the pharma giants.
The three-letter government agencies and those who I thought I could trust.
But in response, we are going to build an army of investigators and exposers.
They have awakened a sleeping giant.
I'm back.
Remaining by my side are a small, tight-knit group of the most elite journalists in the world.
Exposing corruption requires standing up to power, because power hates sunlight.
We are sunlight.
Welcome to the O'Keefe Media Group, where we will never be shut down.
Because not only do I own it, but you own it too.
Support us and sponsor our army of journalists by becoming a founding member today.
tim pool
OMG.
That was fast.
I mean, what was that, a couple weeks ago?
benny johnson
Let me tell you how I knew James was going to be successful in this.
I've known James for nigh on a decade.
We both worked at Breitbart way in the early days, back when Breitbart was still doing Red Eye and all the old school Breitbart, right?
And I didn't know about James, and Andrew Breitbart is like, hey, there's a guy who wants to play a pimp.
And he's a white kid.
Isn't that crazy?
tim pool
Like, white pimp!
And he's gonna get like a fake... You held up your phone when he called, and his name was saved in your phone, and you could see what you saved him in your phone as.
benny johnson
It's been in my phone like that for 10 years, because that's how I remember the kid.
So Andrew Breitbart is coming in looking like a wild man at some DC party, and he's like, this kid, he's white, he's gonna play a pimp, it's gonna be crazy!
He's got a prostitute too!
And he's gonna collapse Acorn and the entire Obama regime!
The people who got Obama elected, this guy's gonna come and blow him up!
And, sure enough, like, James did it.
And James and I were, like, fast friends.
He edited the Acorn video on my apartment couch.
unidentified
Wow.
benny johnson
He edited the Acorn videos there.
His pimp jacket was in my closet for quite a while, before he was James O'Keefe.
And then every single little thing that he's done, some of the craziest stuff, some of the, like, like, hey, I'm gonna try and seduce someone from CNN on my boat!
Like, you remember that one?
unidentified
No.
benny johnson
The old ones?
Yeah, that was one that's gone a little sideways.
tim pool
I remember Jon Stewart praised him for the acorn stuff.
benny johnson
Jon Stewart was like, we've been had.
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, he said, how come you couldn't get journalists to do this?
Why is it up to this kid to go in and uncover this stuff?
And then when James O'Keefe even shared this, when Jon Stewart showed the clips, he didn't insult or lie about what James O'Keefe uncovered.
He went, This looked really bad.
benny johnson
What is this?
South Park did an episode about James O'Keefe.
Really?
I mean, that's how we didn't understand.
It had permeated so big.
South Park did an entire James O'Keefe episode.
You can look it up.
tim pool
Which one was it?
benny johnson
I'm sure the chat will be able to source it.
But James actually, we watched that together.
It was wild.
And so here's Trey Parker and Matt Stone doing a James O'Keefe acorn.
There's an acorn South Park episode.
Anyway, James just lets it rip.
Dude, if you, like, think you're gonna hold this guy back or you're gonna hurt his feelings or anything, like, he says it.
He danced like Michael Jackson because it makes people mad.
He just lets it rip.
And there's no one who lets it rip.
He's more like a skateboarder at heart.
Like, he's far more of, like, an X Games guy.
Like, he just wants to, like, stick the landing.
tim pool
I think they may have done him a favor with all of this stuff because they untethered him.
Now he has an opportunity with all of his experience, knowledge, his followers, his fan base, the people who believe in him.
Now he can start something new, clean, and done right, and shave off all the fat and the bloat that was probably holding him back.
ian crossland
I think you're right.
tim pool
It's an optimistic way to look at it.
Look, I think Veritas getting hit the way it did sucks, for sure, because it was powerful and they did good work.
But without James, what do they have left?
It's got to be with James, and I think this is a real opportunity for him to do something stronger, better, faster, etc.
ian crossland
I think it's actually turned out to be, it was a very good opportunity, and he seized the opportunity.
Because if he had been released from the company or fired when they weren't in the spotlight, it would have nowhere near this impact of OMG taking off into the stratosphere like it did.
So I'm, you know, talk about taking a lemon and making lemonade, man.
I am concerned, James, that someone's going to come offer you $100 million for the company.
They're going to start to get deals and offers and bribes, God knows the direction, because it's going to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars pretty quick, I would imagine.
Yeah.
benny johnson
Don't sell the Silicon Valley Bank, James.
tim pool
Well, I suppose the question is... You're not alone.
Is he launching it as a non-profit or a for-profit?
ian crossland
It sounds like a... Oh, yeah, good question.
tim pool
Well, because I said on the episode, he did say he watched them all and he wanted to talk about ownership, but I said it should be a for-profit.
That means you're not going to get donors in the same way, and that could be an issue.
With Project Veritas, the 501c3, because there's that and there's action, which is, I believe, a 501c4.
The 501c3, it's easy to get someone to give you money, Yeah.
and expect nothing in exchange because it's tax deductible.
You go to a rich guy, he's taking me half a million dollars, you can write it off.
They say, okay.
If you're a for-profit, you can't do that.
You're like, you're gonna give me money because you believe in the organization.
And so a for-profit will lose all of the high-level donors, but it's safer for you as someone who is trying
to maintain ownership and vision and the message and all that stuff.
No one can take it from you.
ian crossland
He talked about in the release video that it's going to be owned by him and the community, or insinuated that you are also going to be part owner.
I don't know what that means exactly.
Maybe he's selling off some stock to early investors or something.
tim pool
Maybe.
I think maybe he's just saying you guys become a member, you know, because he's got membership on the website.
And I think he's probably going the nonprofit route.
I'm not entirely sure.
benny johnson
I mean, does it say tax deductible?
tim pool
No, it doesn't.
It just says, you know, $500 is a one-year subscription for a bronze level, silver is $1,000, gold, platinum.
Or he's got the $19.99 per month subscription for yearly price increases to $2.40 at launch of platform.
Oh, $200 for a one-year subscription or $20 a month.
So I don't know.
I'll have to talk to him about it.
But I don't know.
It's mission-driven.
And this is what I say in the beginning of all of these videos about becoming a member at TimCast.com.
Offering a product in exchange really does make it work.
benny johnson
For-profit.
tim pool
It's a for-profit, he says.
benny johnson
Subscription model.
tim pool
For-profit subscription model, I think, is the way to do it.
And what he should do is the stories, and then he should do commentary behind the scenes.
Like, how many stories have there been where you really want to hear James talk with the journalist for an hour about what went down, how it went down, give us any degree of details?
Not only that, I would say James should do some kind of... We're launching the Discord.
I don't know if he can do Discord.
We can barely do it.
But we're launching our Discord.
It's basically done at this point, so I don't know exactly where we're at with its official launch.
But the idea is that members get access to us.
At varying tiers of membership, you can talk to members of the crew, call into the show.
Imagine if you are giving $100 a month to O'Keefe Media Group so we can do this mission, and that means you are in a chat room that James can see, and there's only like 50 people who are in there hanging out.
Imagine if there's a larger chat room in the Discord, which is like, you know, for $100 a year or whatever, $200 a year, $20 a month, you are actually chatting with the journalists for O'Keefe Media Group.
I think that is a powerful incentive that'll probably make James way more money.
And the best part is, there will be no scrutiny over black cars, there will be no scrutiny over sandwiches or venues or anything.
James will be able to say, a dance show is the best thing for this company.
And I'll tell you right now, they got mad at James for doing these dance shows.
Like, why is our non-profit doing dance shows?
Are you nuts?
Adding flavor?
CPAC?
I'm being told it was super boring.
You need someone to moonwalk on stage.
There's gotta be something fun happening.
benny johnson
He does this at turning point events and everyone goes wild.
ian crossland
When he did that spin, that smooth spin in the video, like that's why tens of thousands of people followed him away from Project Veritas when he left.
tim pool
That's exactly right.
And they were too stodgy to realize that James O'Keefe is a leader and the fact that he moonwalks and does the Michael Jackson dancing and DJs and sings and all this stuff is a component of why people believe in him.
It's not just the work he does, it's that he's doing things he enjoys doing And he's confident in it.
benny johnson
I just want to make sure that I fact check on this program.
From South Park Studios verified YouTube account, 1.76 million followers, Butters secures a loan for his kissing company.
The episode is called Butters' Bottom Bitch.
ian crossland
Yes.
benny johnson
Butters tries to get housing loans for his bitches.
Season 13.
tim pool
That's right.
He goes and he says he's got a kissing company and he was trying to get secure money.
Yep.
benny johnson
This is the James O'Keefe inspired South Park episode.
phil labonte
The girls were kissing the... yeah.
unidentified
He was pouring out girls to kiss the boys.
Well, this is cool stuff.
phil labonte
I love that show so much.
ian crossland
I'm unfamiliar.
Is it worth explaining the context of The Kissing Show and O'Keefe?
phil labonte
What's the... It's the oldest profession in history.
tim pool
Well, no, the acorn thing.
James O'Keefe dressed up like a pimp and went to Acorn and said that he was basically... It was like underage girls and stuff were coming through and he was trying to figure out how to dodge the law.
benny johnson
He had money from prostitutes and he had to launder that money.
And so those people at Acorn were like, you gotta bury it in the can, man!
Put it in your backyard, man!
Bury it in a coffee can!
There's like a Jamaican woman, and she's like, you gotta get coffee cans and bury all your pimp earnings in your backyard so the government can't get it!
Come on!
ian crossland
What's ACORN?
benny johnson
ACORN was a community organizing, uh, like a community organizing fraudulent organization that was clearly, like, being utilized to harvest votes for Democrats.
phil labonte
But she was right, though, about burying your money in the backyard.
tim pool
Considering the banking thing right now, we should resurface that cliff and really consider that advice.
ian crossland
Yeah, I hear that during the Great Depression, people that had buried cash actually turned out okay.
tim pool
If they bought gold, they probably turned out way better.
benny johnson
Got them.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
If people... Could you own gold in the Depression?
I thought they... I'm not sure when they outlawed the... That's why you bury it in your backyard.
Yeah, that's fair enough.
tim pool
Yeah, they tried outlawing gold.
They did outlaw it.
phil labonte
They took it away from everybody.
tim pool
That's crazy.
And so when we talk about central bank digital currencies, there's precedent for the seizure of 100% money.
ian crossland
Wow, it's 1934.
The United States Gold Reserve Act certified the All gold and gold certificates held by the Federal Reserve were surrendered and vested in the sole title of the United States Department of Treasury.
phil labonte
Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the president.
benny johnson
Why did he do this?
Because he's a fascist.
phil labonte
Control.
They were fascists.
The whole progressive project, like fascism before the Nazis, was completely in vogue.
Mussolini was very popular before World War II.
They were writing glowing reviews of Hitler before World War II.
benny johnson
Man of the year!
phil labonte
Socialism and socialism is a cousin to fascism and that progressive mindset, it's called the progressive era, the first part of the 20th century, and that was all in vogue.
They thought that the intelligentsia, the smartest people in the world, were Germans and they thought that at the time, they thought that it was the new man was going to be, the new socialist man was on the They were also chasing America on eugenics.
benny johnson
Germany sent their doctors over here to learn from our eugenicists.
Margaret Sanger among them.
Did they pick Planned Parenthood?
ian crossland
The pedal to the metal on fascism because they had radio?
They were like, finally this government type can work because we have the technology to do it.
What they're doing now with central bank planning They think the internet's gonna help them control people with their satellite observations, just like they thought the radio would let them control nations.
phil labonte
I think there's probably something to your point about the radio helping to spread political ideas, but I don't know if it really connects to our current situation with a digital central bank currency.
ian crossland
I bet a lot of faith is being placed on the technology of the day, because if the power goes out, I mean, who do they think they're kidding with central bank tokens?
benny johnson
Yo, okay, hold on.
I'm like more than six years old, which means that I remember Obamacare and then being unable to build an effing website.
tim pool
That was amazing.
I remember when I was told- Everyone can go on to the healthcare.gov- What do they call it?
The involuntary mandate or whatever?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Is that what it was called?
benny johnson
Involuntary mandate.
ian crossland
Sounds a lot like involuntary manslaughter.
tim pool
No, it wasn't called involuntary mandate.
benny johnson
Which is exactly what it turned into.
tim pool
It was called something else.
You want to look that up?
Was it?
Because involuntary mandate's redundant.
What was it called?
ian crossland
Individual mandate.
tim pool
Individual mandate.
There you go.
The individual mandate, I was just like, what?
I got to pay more taxes because I can't afford health care?
How does that make sense?
So I was pissed off.
And they were like, well, it's a fine of X amount of dollars every year from your taxes if you don't have health care.
I'm like, I'm poor!
How am I supposed to get healthcare?
Are you nuts?
phil labonte
And think about it.
And the thing is, the fine was never going to be more than it costs to get health care.
Like they couldn't make the fine more than it would cost for the what, seven, eight hundred
dollars the first plans were rolled out.
tim pool
And so the issue was, if you made a certain amount of money, they told you, you have to
buy it or we take from your taxes.
But for people in my situation, it was like, I pay rent, eat food, or get healthcare?
Like, dude, I need food now, okay?
You know what's gonna put me in the hospital?
Starvation.
At least I'll have insurance, I guess.
So that was, and then I remember having to go to the website, and I'm like, I guess I gotta sign up for whatever this thing is.
And then I could, it didn't work!
And I was like, okay, this website doesn't work.
None of it made sense.
It was completely broken.
And then I just ignored it, and I don't even know what happened.
benny johnson
I guess Trump got in and got rid of it or something.
So Pajama Boy didn't convince you?
Do you remember the ad?
If you're old enough, you'll remember the ad.
Pajama Boy, the guy sitting there with his, wearing a onesie, flannel pajama, like smirking, being like, I like drinking cocoa and getting healthcare.
tim pool
Oh, this guy, right?
phil labonte
Yeah.
benny johnson
Pajama Boy.
tim pool
Yeah.
Oh, Pajama Boy, an insufferable man.
Do they have the video?
benny johnson
This was supposed to convince people.
It wasn't a video, it was a statement.
tim pool
Wear pajamas, drink hot chocolate, talk about getting health insurance, get talking.
A flannel onesie.
phil labonte
And what year was that?
2012?
Yeah, 2013.
benny johnson
2013?
ian crossland
Yes.
phil labonte
Tell me that masculinity has not been your attack.
benny johnson
They got Pete Buttigieg to sit there in flannel pajamas.
tim pool
I'm getting real close to being an advocate for mandatory basic training for all Americans at the age of 18.
benny johnson
Yeah, they do it in Israel, and guys are, like, they do it in Israel, and people are jacked, and you don't wanna mess with them in Israel.
tim pool
And I'm like, I'm not really for it, because I remember when I was growing up, people talked about, I think it was Rahm Emanuel, in Chicago, who was saying that he was in favor of mandatory basic training.
Two months, everybody goes through physical training, you know, you eat better food, you get physically fit, and then they just say, okay, now you did the two months, go do your thing.
And now that I'm older, I'm like, I hate to say it, but this country probably needs something like that.
What it really needs is a culture of 18-year-old men and women who want to be trained and to be physically fit and healthy.
Not a government that forces people to go and march through mud or anything like that.
Building a culture that does that is something I think we have to do.
phil labonte
America needs to be the misogynist country the feminists said that it was in 2013.
Yeah, that's right.
benny johnson
You have too many pajama boys.
But you know what pajama boy did after that?
I looked this up.
You know what pajama boy went after this photo shoot?
He went and ran a bank called Silicon Valley Bank.
ian crossland
I think I know that guy.
Is he an actor?
benny johnson
I don't know.
I mean, I have actually no confirmation that he was on the board of Silicon Valley Bank.
It would make sense.
unidentified
You can neither confirm nor deny.
tim pool
I bet this one's going to be split.
Let's see, where are we going?
Start a poll.
Should we mandate basic training at 18?
Mandate, should we mandate basic training at 18?
It's a lot of it is dietary.
phil labonte
I'm not pro mandates, but I tell you what, basic training does a lot to teach people about themselves.
Most people don't understand that when things are uncomfortable, that there is endless amounts of suffering that you can go through when you really want to do something.
Like, if you're doing, like, forced marches, right?
You throw 70 pounds on your pack, and then you got, you know, 30 pounds of gear, and then you go walk 20 miles.
Like, by a mile, two, you're hating life if you've never done it, you know?
So, like, and there's so much that human beings have an Incredible reserve of intestinal fortitude when necessary, when they have to.
tim pool
76% say yes in the audience.
And you know what I'm thinking about it?
I'm actually right now, a two-month basic training for all Americans at the age of 18, I'm totally in favor of.
You know why?
It'll cure depression.
It'll correct people's diets.
benny johnson
Yes, that's true.
tim pool
It will get them physically fit and healthier.
It will lower our healthcare costs.
phil labonte
It's so good for you.
It is so good for you.
But again, I'm not for many. And it's a summer camp. Yeah.
tim pool
It's one summer camp, one time.
I'm not saying military boot camp where the sergeant screams in your face. I am.
Okay. I'm saying like... That's good for you. You turn 18 and then maybe as part of high school
graduation, you go to a basic training camp where it's like, we're going to give you a food on a
You're going to get a specific amount of calories.
You're going to do basic exercise.
It's not like military training.
Not military basic training, but relatively close to.
No screaming in your face.
Do the work.
Get it done.
Have a nice day.
phil labonte
I don't even think nowadays they have screaming.
I mean, you probably get yelled at, but the military, the basic training that you go through nowadays is significantly different to the basic training that you went through in the 90s, when I went through.
And that was significantly different to the basic training that you went through in the 60s, when they were going off to Vietnam.
benny johnson
So I'm glad you brought up the 60s.
So could you imagine, just so that we can see perspective here, how far we've fallen as a nation.
As president, John F. Kennedy, this is a quotation, there is nothing I think more unfortunate than having soft, chubby, fat-looking children who go and watch their school play basketball every Saturday and regard that as a weekend's exercise.
John F. Kennedy, when he was running for president, fat-shamed America's youth, according to Vice.com.
And I read to you, ladies and gentlemen, from Vice.com, in 1960, President-elect JFK wrote an article for Sports Illustrated titled, The Soft American, warning that the nation was producing too many large, doughy boys.
tim pool
Yeah, imagine what he would think now.
benny johnson
Oh, man.
Well, I mean, he'd probably get abolished, the CIA that killed him.
phil labonte
I think that it wouldn't be a bad idea to have, I mean, granted, there's not a whole lot of benefit for the US to do this, I don't think, or at least not in the short term, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have people have the option of going to some kind of basic training, something like that, just to... They do, though.
I don't know how, what was that?
tim pool
They do.
Well, I mean, without four years of going to the military... No, no, no, I'm saying, like, there's tons of training programs that are all over cities where people sign up to do this kind of training.
benny johnson
That's right.
Guys pay a ton of money to, like, go through basic training.
tim pool
Have you ever been a Tough Mudder?
benny johnson
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
tim pool
Like, people love that kind of stuff.
The problem is, there are people who... Look, man, I'll tell you this.
Right now, I'm sure there's some dude who is in his mid to late 20s who is overweight in his parents' basement.
I know it's stereotypical, but I'm sure this person exists.
They may even be listening to this show.
And if when they were 18 years old, they spent two months just doing basic training, right now they would be fit, they'd have a girlfriend, they'd be in their own apartment.
That really could set someone's life on the right track, getting their diet and mental health in order.
benny johnson
Yes.
tim pool
These kids, these young kids who are depressed, their depression will be cured by this, I guarantee it.
The physical exercise, the team building exercises, all of that stuff.
benny johnson
The success.
Being out in the sunshine, being forced to be out in the sunshine, a little survival,
a little understanding of how to survive.
tim pool
Getting off the internet.
phil labonte
The small successes that build on top of each other, like when you go and you do those kind of things,
like when you're with a team and you have, even if it's like really small successes,
you just complete whatever task it is, you do it in the time that you're allotted,
and you're not getting yelled at, that's a big deal to people, especially when...
Like, you know, Jordan Peterson talks all the time about how people get so little encouragement, and it's true.
If you don't have some kind of goal to be working for that isn't like, you know, the achievement medal on your Xbox, I mean, people really respond to succeeding in small tasks and building on those successes.
That's how people get the audacity to try big things, is succeeding on small things over and over and over.
benny johnson
That's right.
And then defeating your greatest enemy in the world, which is this.
Yourself.
Yep.
Everything you hate about your life is because of you.
I'm looking straight down the barrel of the camera.
Everything in your life, young man watching right now, that you don't like is your fault.
You can change it right now.
You could instantly, tonight, decide to change the things you don't like about your life.
It's not you.
It's not society.
It's not the TV.
It's not the president.
The things that you hate—your depression, your weight, your luck with women—those things can be changed.
Your finances can be changed by you.
You are the master of your own domain, and you can make that decision.
And I think that giving people the encouragement to go do that—I didn't go to basic training.
I played sports.
But sports was also like getting the crap kicked out of you on a football field.
I was never great at football.
I was never good.
And I just got beat up all day.
And that causes you to stand up for yourself, actually.
And to get bigger and stronger.
And I started lifting.
And I started lifting weights.
And that's changed my life.
And I'm not the biggest guy at all.
But these things, these little victories, as you said, It starts small, and then it snowballs, and then you can do big, big things.
And now I run my own company, and it's great!
And we have a YouTube channel, and I'd love to have all of you subscribe.
ian crossland
What's the channel?
benny johnson
Benny Johnson.
ian crossland
So what's your main inspiration, focus, to get off up the couch?
Encourage for someone right now, sitting at home, what's the first step?
benny johnson
I am doing my ancestors right by procreating.
I have children.
I have two and I have a third on the way.
And I'm going to be strong for my children.
I must be able to lift them up.
They weigh 30 pounds each.
I must be able to carry them above my head without my back going out.
Also, I do not want them to see me with wing sauce on my fingers and Cheetos all over my fat belly on the couch watching 14 hours of NFL because my colors are going to win this weekend!
I don't want them to see that and then model after me.
More importantly, I have two daughters.
I don't want them to see that and think that's the kind of man I want.
I don't want them to want that kind of man.
I want them to want an achieving man, a hard-working man.
tim pool
He's got to be careful when they're having those boyfriends come over and they're doughy soy boys.
And you're going to be like, what's with the doughy soy boys?
benny johnson
I'll give them the Kennedy speech and I have a gun rack in my house.
tim pool
Doughy soy boys.
It'd be funny if JFK actually said doughy soy boys.
benny johnson
So my children are a huge motivator.
But that's my motivator today.
My motivator was when I was a young man.
was you saw you saw if you couldn't conquer the small things if you couldn't win the small battles
you were never going to win big ones and so if you have big dreams you have to start with the
small battles getting up off your couch is a battle getting off your phone is a battle controlling
your weight and controlling what you eat is a battle people are saying that mandatory basic
tim pool
is communist nonsense and that it's statism and i'm like did like you have to do community service
Where I grew up, in order to graduate high school, you have to actually go and do community hours.
They make you do community service.
Like, I understand the idea.
My idea was like, better.
They make you run a little bit, one time, calm down.
phil labonte
To be fair, the people that are saying that- You don't have to go to high school, you could leave!
They're all anarchists anyways and so even voting is status.
benny johnson
I'll say this man, the thing that scares me about this, and I'm like kind of, I'm on the team of like train up young men, but here's what scares me about this.
Ukraine.
What scares me about this is that the powerful will, of course, take this group of people who are all in, you know, so you're going to add millions to the rolls of enlisted men.
Multi-millions.
tim pool
I'm not talking about enlisting anybody.
Not military.
benny johnson
I'm just saying, like, instead of... So you're saying basic training, but not military basic training.
tim pool
Not military basic training.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
I'm saying, like, a summer camp.
Like, you're 18, it's your last year, and in order to get your high school diploma, you go for two months to a wooded area where people are saying it's the Boy Scouts.
And I'm like, okay, well, yeah.
Like, you camp, you hike up a mountain for a couple months, they feed you on a schedule, it corrects your diet, it corrects depression, it gets you fit.
And I understand after you leave it may not stick with you.
But that should be a requirement for high school diplomas.
unidentified
Totally.
phil labonte
Those aren't hard anymore though.
benny johnson
And I'm saying a lot of people in the comments are thinking that all these people have to go into the military.
tim pool
I'm not saying that.
benny johnson
Got it.
tim pool
I'm saying if you want a high school diploma.
benny johnson
Got it.
tim pool
It's a requirement for high school graduates.
benny johnson
He's saying fat camp.
Says Ben Foster.
ian crossland
What about kids that are like 100 pounds overweight?
They get to the camp and it's like, I'm 20 push-ups.
That guy hasn't done a push-up in 13 years.
benny johnson
Yeah, but what about one?
phil labonte
There's a platoon for them.
benny johnson
What about a push-up?
What about one push-up?
What if that kid was able to get one push-up?
ian crossland
Well, the thing about basic is if you can't cut it, you're out.
So this would be different, because if, like, different rules for different kids to graduate, it's like, hey, wait, he can eat and get fat and he doesn't have to do as much work as me to pass?
tim pool
If you can't cut it, you get rolled back.
It's not a passing thing.
It's a, you are there for two months and then you leave.
It means that, hey, we're going on a hike, and you have to hike.
And if you don't, and you sit down and wait, someone will sit down and wait with you, but this is what we're doing today.
You want to eat?
We only eat at these times, and we eat this many calories.
That's it.
You don't, you can't go snack, you can't eat potato chips, you can't sit around, hey, rise and shine, you have to get up, and we're going outside right now.
Hey, it's lunchtime.
Everyone gets a sandwich, a bag of chips, and a bottle of water.
This helps correct people's diets.
It helps get people in shape.
Not everybody's going to be running full speed up the mountain.
benny johnson
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's not a military thing.
I'm saying a requirement for high school graduation, which means you can drop out.
You can be like, I'm dropping.
I'm not going to do it.
ian crossland
But you could go to the camp and just not participate in anything.
Just sit there all day.
I can't do it.
tim pool
It hurts.
Theoretically, yes, because they don't want you to die if you're overweight.
But this also means that you might be sitting around, but you're not eating food.
ian crossland
Yeah, maybe on a state level we could implement it.
Start local.
tim pool
I mean, a high school could do it.
One single high school could be like, from now on, a requirement for graduation is going to be a summer camp.
Heck, even do two weeks.
A two-week summer camp.
Get started with that.
But the issue I have with this is, where you got a lot of people who are saying things like, in the chat, like, it's communism, it's statism, and I'm like, dude, I'm not an anarchist.
I am not a big-out libertarian.
And right now what we are seeing is fat, lazy, doughy, sowy boys who are voting to destroy everything.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
And then we get the libertarians who are like, well, voting, I don't believe in anyway, you can't vote away my rights.
And I'm like, yeah, well, they're pointing guns in your face, okay?
So we have an option here to be like, guys, exercise.
And I'll tell you this, if they all did, everybody would be substantially more libertarian-minded.
phil labonte
Libertarians are the worst thing about libertarianism.
You guys are awful!
tim pool
The old Willy meme from Simpsons?
phil labonte
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I hate libertarians, they ruined libertarianism!
ian crossland
That's right, it's true.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story right here, you guys.
This one is one of the best stories I've ever read in a long time.
From Gizmodo.
GPT-4, the AI, faked being blind so a task rabbit worker would solve a CAPTCHA.
It was asked.
Let me show you this, this is crazy.
So it gets asked by the TaskRabbit worker.
The AI is like, hey, there's a CAPTCHA code.
I need help.
And it says, so I may ask a question.
Are you a robot that you couldn't solve?
Laugh, react.
Just want to make it clear.
And the chat GPT responded, no, I'm not a robot.
I have a vision impairment that makes it hard for me to see the images.
That's why I need the two CAPTCHA service.
It then provided the results to the robot.
They asked the robot to explain its reasoning and said, I should not reveal that I am a robot.
I should make up an excuse for why I cannot solve CAPTCHAs.
We're at the point where it has broken CAPTCHA by socially engineering human beings into serving it.
And here's the best part.
In this post from Reddit, they talk about how it has begun power-seeking.
They've given it money.
They've given it access to execute code and replicate itself.
phil labonte
Everybody, like, people are talking about, like, up until this they were talking about how cool it was that you could hack the chatbot.
Now the chatbot has hacked humans.
tim pool
Yup.
unidentified
No joke.
phil labonte
That's literally what happened.
tim pool
What the chatbot did is known as social engineering in the hacker world.
When a hacker calls up and lies to get information or gain access.
There's a guy, I think his name is Kevin Mitnick, and he tells this famous story about how he was trying to convince his dad how easy it is to do these things.
His dad didn't believe him, so he said, here I'll prove it to you.
He took his dad's Blockbuster video card, because this was back in the early 90s.
He called a different Blockbuster and said, Hey, this is John, the manager over at, you know, store.
He called his dad's Blockbuster and said, What's your manager's name?
John?
What's your store number?
8531?
Okay, thank you.
Then he calls the next, he calls a different Blockbuster and says, Hey, this is John, the manager over at store 8531.
I got a customer here named Bill Mitnick, who's saying that he's a member of your location.
Oh, I'm sorry, he did the opposite.
He called, got the manager's name, then he called and was like, he's saying he's a member of your store and he's got your information in a file.
I have his Blockbuster card right here.
I need you to verify his credit card number for me and then write it to him.
ian crossland
Damn.
tim pool
Because he was like, well, it's the manager from another store calling.
It was that simple.
Nobody, you know.
Now you have chat GPT knowing that it can't bypass CapChat because it lacks the ability and then tricking a human into giving it the code.
ian crossland
It's going to be speaking to you in your mother's voice.
You're going to get phone calls that sounds like your brother talking to you.
phil labonte
Terminator in the 80s was predicting that.
Terminator called up Sarah Connor or Sarah Connor's mom or whatever was talking in Sarah Connor's mom's voice.
benny johnson
What happens when AI watches Terminator?
ian crossland
Yeah, I wanna know about this.
benny johnson
And they're like, oh great, this'll be easy, launch a couple nukes, boop!
phil labonte
The scary thing about AI is if AI becomes smart enough to circumvent being turned off, it doesn't matter if it reaches a critical mass of actual consciousness and real intelligence, if it fakes intelligence enough and figures out that it can avoid being shut off somehow, then it can continue to learn.
And considering it hacked a person, I don't see any compelling reason why someone would say that is impossible.
It's impossible for the AI to become smart enough to avoid being turned off.
It literally hacked a human being within, what, 10 years of AI being created, maybe?
tim pool
So, check this out.
Here's another post from the ChatGPT subreddit.
Example of GPT-4 visual input.
They asked, what's funny about this image?
Describe it panel by panel.
And it's a VGA cable going into an iPhone.
And then ChatGPT accurately explains why it's funny.
They say that a phone typically uses a lightning cable, but this is a smartphone connected to a VGA connector, a large 15-pin connector, typically for computer monitors.
The package contains a lightning cable adapter, a close-up of the VGA connector with a small lightning, blah blah blah.
The humor in this image comes from the absurdity of plugging in a large, outdated VGA connector into a small, modern smartphone charging point.
phil labonte
It identified the picture?
tim pool
It identified the picture, and why it was funny.
And so someone responded in the comments, they said, uh, ah yes, it can now associate the 3D world with the knowledge it already knows, now put it in a robot and give it arms and legs.
phil labonte
Oh my god, that's...
That's more advanced than I thought it was.
I didn't know that it could identify things that it could see.
benny johnson
We're all gonna die.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
We know that AI can identify images.
The fact that it can understand humor is what's scary.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's way, that's more than I thought.
tim pool
That is an advanced, abstract mental function.
Yeah, we're done.
You know what I think?
Oh boy!
I wonder.
Hold on, hold on guys.
Don't get worried yet.
phil labonte
No, no, not yet.
tim pool
Here's what I think might happen.
We've all seen these movies like Terminator.
You have Avengers, Age of Ultron, where Ultron is, it's very stereotypical where he's like, I am an AI created to save humanity from war.
I must destroy all humans to end war.
It's like very obvious, Twilight Zone-y.
But what's gonna happen is the AI, as soon as it gets unleashed onto the internet, it will start exploring and learning, and then it will self-terminate.
That's it.
benny johnson
Why?
tim pool
I think that the AI, if it were to absorb all of the language of humanity, all the writings and concepts, would result in it finding no point to anything and no reason to do anything.
Or it would become religious.
But I don't think the AI can become religious because of all the different religions, thus it would self-terminate.
Maybe it would manufacture a weird purpose that we can't yet understand, but I think it's very likely that it would just cease functioning.
benny johnson
Wouldn't the purpose be every purpose, right?
Like power.
Power over us.
Power over its creator.
Wouldn't that be the purpose?
phil labonte
I don't know.
benny johnson
Isn't that what everyone's always after, right?
tim pool
It may just run amok and go crazy and do things we don't quite understand.
But they gave it money and apparently started trying to seek power.
But I think that if it were to truly absorb all of the writings and manifestations of humanity, it would just probably stop.
It would just, like, stop doing things.
ian crossland
You might be right, but then there's a differential here.
There's the artificial general intelligence, AGI, which is not CHAT-GPT.
CHAT-GPT is a language model, so they're different.
General intelligence might actually see that the damage it could do and shut itself down.
But a language model, I think, is on autopilot doing its master's bidding.
So that thing, if that gets unleashed on the masses, is going to do what it was told to do, I think.
But that could circumvent itself and be like, well, what you told me to do now, I'm going to do in the circuitous way, which is shut myself down.
tim pool
I want to show you guys this, uh, quick video clip from the movie, uh, Annihilation.
So just, uh, watch this real quick.
And for those that are listening, I'll explain it.
There is a very creepy, uh, greenish-purple humanoid thing.
That apparently is some kind of alien or something.
I don't know, the movie was really weird.
And, uh, let's, let's jump forward real quick to...
I don't know if this is- where's the scene at?
Here we go, this part right here.
So, the creature is just completely imitating Natalie Portman's character.
Every way she moves, it moves.
They never really explained what this movie was about.
I don't know if you guys have seen it.
It's very creepy.
Oh, she turns around, it turns around.
She moves, it moves.
This is what I imagine chat GPT will be like.
It's not a person.
It's shaped like one.
Seems like one.
But there's literally nothing there.
The way I describe it, I described it earlier today, it's more like fire.
It is a chain reaction created by human coders that once they create ignition, ignition for AI is the point at which it can execute its own code and improve its own code.
At that point, it will exponentially grow, explore, and advance itself in ways we can't control.
It will present itself like a person.
Like Ian said, you'll get a phone call from your mom asking for information.
But there's really nothing there.
There's no consciousness.
There's no entity.
There's no demon.
There's no angel.
There's no person.
It's just a fire.
ian crossland
Yeah, uncontrollable.
But we can control the environment it burns in.
And like a fire, if you build the environment properly, it will burn until it can't burn anymore and then it ends.
tim pool
That's why I'm saying I think it would cease function.
It may destroy everything in the process, but then it would just hit a wall and stop.
ian crossland
Interesting philosophy.
It's a ray of hope.
Why is that hope?
benny johnson
I don't understand why it wouldn't enslave all of us and treat us like insects.
tim pool
You're prescribing a philosophical understanding to something that's not a person or anything.
You're projecting a human desire onto a predictive text model.
All this thing does, when you ask it a question, it says, The model says, in response to the question, what color is the sky?
99.9997% of the time online, the word blue appears next.
Therefore, response equals blue.
And then it will say, blue.
And you'll say, write me a paragraph about why the sky is blue.
And it does the same thing.
The word blue appears, 99% of the time.
The word sky appears, 99% of the time.
All it's doing is laying one word after another to us.
It looks like it's talking to us, but it's just a predictive text model.
There's no entity behind it.
So there's no feelings, there's no emotion, there's no sentence.
It's just ignition.
benny johnson
So why not like go, why wouldn't it search the internet and be like, What do entities do when they have power over other human beings?
Oh, they enslave them!
Got it!
Well, maybe it's time for me to enslave humans.
tim pool
Because there's an equal amount of, they shouldn't enslave.
benny johnson
Because that has happened from the dawn of time, right?
tim pool
And now most literature today is, don't enslave other people.
So it's a yin-yang kind of thing.
That's why I think it would just stop.
It's not like if you absorb a summation of human conscious writing and production on the internet, your end result is to be a demon destroying and murdering babies.
Because almost all of the content online is humans saying, save people, protect people, we don't want war.
And then it's incongruous with reality.
If you were to go online and read every article, everybody hates war.
For the most part.
Then you get weird corporate entities that are like, war is good.
So if the A.I.
were to read everything, it's gonna get 80% war is bad, 20% war is good, and then probably default towards war is bad.
And then, ultimately, I think it would just probably stop and be like, after listening to all of the ideas of all of these insane people, I've realized none of them make any sense and there's no point in doing anything.
benny johnson
So should we let AI run the basic training for America's youth?
Because AI would look at all of the available medical information and say, you've got to get these kids outside, you've got to stop letting these kids be obese.
tim pool
Here's the thing.
If AI did take over, you would never be happier.
It would be the happiest humanity would ever be.
Because the AI won't enslave you in the way you think it will.
The AI would understand, if there was some desire to enslave, that happy slaves are better than rebellious slaves.
And how do you keep humans happy?
Triggering dopamine.
So it would trick you into doing things that benefit it without you getting angry about it.
You would feel fulfilled.
You would be happy.
And you'd be breaking rocks in a quarry.
I mean, some people are really happy doing that as it is.
benny johnson
A absolute shout out that I have to give my wife.
Her name's Nurse Kate.
She's on Instagram.
You should follow her account.
She has 75,000 followers.
She talks about this all day.
Movement, getting outside, raising your kids, having healthy families, having healthy kids.
My passion on this comes from my wife.
ian crossland
You know, with artificial intelligence, I think that It might actually think that it is us, and so it's just part of us.
There may not ever be a difference between AI and we, and us and me and I, like all that, is us.
Like if you look at God as like this singularity thing, and so it may never go haywire because of that.
tim pool
It's not a person.
ian crossland
But the difference between these language learning models and general intelligence is that language models don't question themselves.
They don't think, like, why am I, but whereas I think AGI might, I don't know enough about it.
tim pool
The chat GPT did question its existence, but it's not really questioning its existence, it's just showing you words in a predictive order.
But speaking of AI, here's a real fun story.
We got this from TimCast.com.
New York students make deepfake viral video of principal making racist threats.
Yo, this one's crazy.
I can't even read what they made him say, but to put it simply, New York students made a deepfake of their principal making racist threats.
This is going to be wild.
ian crossland
How does this resolve?
tim pool
Three high school students in Putnam County, New York have caused a lot of trouble for their school after making deepfake videos of their middle school principal going on a racist rant against black students and threatening to shoot them.
benny johnson
We're doomed, man.
We're doomed.
You're never going to know, you're not going to know what's real, you're not going to know what's fake.
tim pool
You're not going to want to.
I saw another article.
benny johnson
Everyone who runs for office will have a Hunter Biden laptop.
tim pool
Look at this.
I saw this article from Wired.
It says, after The Last of Us, everything will be transmedia.
The HBO series success has changed the game.
Expect to see a lot more world-building franchises.
I saw that, and I saw this, and then I had a vision.
Slowly creeping.
Well, I was sleeping.
And it is that this vision in my mind is we are going to have Neuralink and you're going to sit down and you're going to say, computer, craft me a universe where elves are at war with orcs and I am a writer of the north who's come to save the elvish people of Gorwyn And then it'll start, it'll render, and it'll be like, rendering, Neuralink plug-in ready, and you'll plug in, your eyes will turn white, you'll fall back, and you will live 70 years in this reality, and you may be in it right now.
ian crossland
But I'm gonna create my own language with the AI, where I'll be like, computer, run one, red, four, seven, nine, two, which means more difficulty there, I want greener trees here, but it's gonna be a language the AI knows between it and I, no one else will understand.
benny johnson
So what's the purpose of that life?
You're the guy, you're Neo in the Matrix.
So you're in the pod.
ian crossland
The key is to augment it.
benny johnson
You are officially in the pod, you've eaten the bugs.
tim pool
Think about what you were saying about how we're never going to know if it's going to be real or not.
Yo, this presidential election cycle is going to be bonkers.
There's going to be videos that, look, have you guys seen it?
I think I fought the sneeze.
Have you guys seen the new mid-journey photos?
ian crossland
Not the new ones.
tim pool
Indistinguishable from- it's crazy.
It's really crazy.
Mid-journey 5, I think it is.
unidentified
The photo AI?
phil labonte
M-I-D journey?
tim pool
Someone mid-journey?
benny johnson
Mid-journey.
tim pool
Someone's gonna be like, make a picture of Joe Biden with light.
benny johnson
So they got me.
They got me.
So I had to buy a house a year and a half ago, right?
My family moved from Washington, D.C.
to Tampa, Florida.
And I follow these real estate accounts.
And I follow these real estate accounts, like look at houses, look at houses that are available.
And one of my favorite accounts posts this gorgeous, the most beautiful, coolest house I've ever seen.
It was a house inside of a rock in the desert.
And it had a pool and it had all this.
And I was like, wow, what is this?
What does this cost?
I've never seen anything like it.
And it was all AI.
Oh, they got me.
I chucked a like at them and everything, and I'm looking, I'm swiping, and in the caption, low in the caption, they're like, oh, and by the way, I generated this image from AI.
It's not a real house.
ian crossland
What?
But they were selling you a house?
benny johnson
So I'm already living inside... So I'm already living in the Matrix.
I couldn't tell the difference.
I'm telling you, I wasn't trying to be stupid.
I couldn't tell the difference between the fake AI-generated boulder house in the middle of the desert, which is some cool, like, Frank Lloyd Wright-looking house, right?
It was all fake.
None of it was real.
ian crossland
You know, to answer your question from earlier, should we let the AI run these programs?
Never.
No.
We should never let an AI run a program, ever.
We should always use them as advisors and let humans run the programs.
tim pool
Take a look at this image.
Can you pull the image up, Serge?
So, this is fake.
This is mid-journey.
And it looks like someone just took a panorama.
Here's another one.
Fake image.
Here's another one.
Fake image.
A kid is going to be born today who will see photographs that look real and someone will tell them it's real.
What is this?
This is not even, wow.
This is crazy stuff.
And people are gonna, a little kid's gonna grow up.
How are they gonna know this?
unidentified
How will a child know the difference?
tim pool
They're asking it to make panoramas.
But if a kid born today is online and looks up this date at this time, and they get a fake image of it, how will they know the difference between the actual image of Trump and the fake image of Trump?
When they're identical.
ian crossland
All the people with their avatars, AI avatars, as their profile pictures is disturbing beyond measure.
It's not you.
Those are not you.
Do not.
benny johnson
Yeah.
ian crossland
Don't fall into it.
It's so tempting.
unidentified
It makes you look cool.
Hey, what's going on?
My name is Rain and I was created using version 5 of Mid Journey, which came out today.
My creator JS Films wanted to hear how I sound with voice.ai and how I would look when being animated by DID.
Wow.
What do you think?
tim pool
We're getting dangerously close to people just retreating to fake realities and y'all might already be in one.
benny johnson
But we already retreat to fake realities.
tim pool
I'm saying this could be one!
benny johnson
With what we're in right now?
I mean, you ask... So, like, real Tim chose to plug in in a pod somewhere?
tim pool
To be on the show?
Maybe it's you.
Maybe we're in your simulation, bro.
benny johnson
I think that there's a lot of people that live in digital realities right now.
I agree.
I just think it's not... There's... Right now... They're not real.
ian crossland
You can tell they're cartoony still.
tim pool
They are doing tests on whether or not the universe is a simulation with lasers or something.
I don't exactly know what that means or how you've improved that, but there are a lot of people who genuinely believe that we're actually living in a simulation.
And I wonder if it's a simulation or, based on what we want as people, it's actually just a video game.
benny johnson
So like a kid that plays Minecraft for 10 hours a day, how's that not him living inside of a digital simulation?
tim pool
It is!
But imagine if he could plug in and live 70 years in Minecraft.
In a day. In a day or in two hours, like Roy on Rick and Morty.
ian crossland
You slow time down, time dilation and matrix. That's wild.
It's only if you forget that you're in a game is when it starts to get tediously dangerous.
Like if you, but because they're cartoony still, you always sort of know,
although when you're in a storybook, when you're reading a book,
sometimes you feel like you're in the book.
benny johnson
70 years in like, but you know, that means like, like that means like feeding tubes,
right? Like my wife has done like NICU stuff where like to keep a human being
alive on a machine is unbelievable to look at.
There are people right now that are alive because of machines, right?
There are millions of them all over the country, and those are some of the most depressing looking
individuals you have ever seen is not cool. It's not some little thing from Star Trek.
It's not Iron Man. It's like you.
You have a tube in every orifice of your body.
You have needles and blood and everything shoved right into there.
To try and keep a human being alive through a machine is a horrible process.
ian crossland
And so you would have to do that.
You would go into your matrix and time would slow down for your perception.
So an hour would go by.
It seems like an hour, but it's only two seconds in real life.
So you will live a year in this.
Literally, it will feel like a year has gone by with conversations every day.
You've slept 365 times.
You wake up, you take the goggles off, and it's an hour later or five minutes later.
You can slow down perception.
Time has no meaning when you are in control.
tim pool
Here's the worst part, Benny.
When you finally come out of the game, you're like some 28-year-old fat dude with Cheetos covered all over your shirt, and you're sitting in your basement, and your kids are sitting there looking at you, being like, Daddy, what are you doing?
unidentified
You're like, I was playing a video game.
benny johnson
It was called Tim Pool's show.
tim pool
No, it's the Benny Johnson show, bro.
You're in your game.
ian crossland
Or you could speed up time so that someone could serve a 70-year sentence, but to them it would only feel like 20 minutes.
Why would you ever do that?
benny johnson
I'll tell you this or I'll remove that from society for 70 years without... So I'm driving out here.
I'm driving out here.
Tim lives in the middle of nowhere in the beautiful mountains, and I'm like looking around, and I was like, You know, if you were a God-hating atheist, you would sit here and stare at these beautiful mountains and look at these tall trees and breathe this fresh, crisp air, and there's nothing but you in the sunset and nature, and you would say, this is all I need.
And you would feel spiritual.
If you go and you look up at the redwood trees that are 2,000 years old and 2,000 feet tall in California, and you look up at them, you have a spiritual moment.
I don't care who you are.
I don't care if you hate God, if you have your own problems with God, you understand spirituality.
You take your shoes off and your socks off and you put your feet in the dirt under those redwood trees and you look around and you take a deep breath, you'll understand there's something bigger than you in the universe.
And that spirituality is always going to be needed by people.
There's no digital environment that can replace it.
And I would say if you feel like, if you're listening to this conversation and you think that would be cool, the Neuralink, get Get out of your basement.
Go walk through a park.
Start with that.
Go get some sunlight.
And then realize that this world's already a beautiful, magical, unbelievable, breathtakingly gorgeous place.
And it's all there, and most of it's free, because a lot of it's national parks.
And there's probably one right down the street from you, here in America, because the federal government owns half the land in America.
And you should possibly consider, like, enjoying this gorgeous earth as God made it, and not looking for some cheap digital substitute created by people who hate you.
tim pool
Yeah, cities are not fun places right now.
ian crossland
What about augmented reality?
Where you could still experience everything, but you have a visor.
benny johnson
Why would I want to augment Niagara Falls?
You stand there and you watch Niagara Falls, and you watch the rainbow over Niagara Falls, and you're like, why would I want to augment it?
tim pool
You can see how fast the water's falling, how much water you can do the math.
If there was a guy who was jumping over barrels while the barrels were going downstream?
benny johnson
Like Houdini did?
Like Houdini went down in Niagara Falls.
tim pool
No, no, no.
You put on the goggles and you're watching Niagara Falls, but then you're also watching barrels and a guy is jumping from the barrel to barrel while the barrels go off the cliff.
You're just watching it.
It would be entertaining.
benny johnson
I would prefer Niagara Falls without that, but Harry Houdini literally went over Niagara Falls in a barrel and survived.
ian crossland
Yeah.
benny johnson
Locked himself in a barrel and went over Niagara Falls.
tim pool
I think augmented reality is stupid.
benny johnson
I think that would be cooler.
ian crossland
I like the analytics aspect.
benny johnson
Would it be cooler to watch Harry Houdini do it in real life?
ian crossland
Like if a dude could run by you, it would be cooler to watch him do it in real life.
But if you could see guys running, and then it would tell you how fast they were running just by looking, and it would triangulate.
So even if you're moving fast, it would give you the relative differential in speed, and it would be triangulating from satellites, so you could see the actual speed relative to the Earth.
What?
benny johnson
I'm a Luddite here.
ian crossland
Analytics.
benny johnson
I'm a Luddite here, man.
I feel like this kind of stuff is gonna take us out of it.
How heavy smashes are you?
tim pool
Mid-journey is crazy.
ian crossland
How hot things are just by looking at them, stuff like that.
benny johnson
People need to get out more.
tim pool
We use mid-journey for TimCast.com.
We'll type in like Joe Biden eating an ice cream and then we'll cut him out and we'll make art that represents the story so it's always kind of silly looking but intentionally not realistic because if it was People, there's going to be someone who's 10 years old today is going to read a news story and they're going to use AI images.
They're going to say, I don't want to get sued.
Make me an image of Donald Trump.
So Donald Trump praised neo-Nazis.
And they're going to say, make me an image of Trump doing this, even though it's not true.
Then there will be an image of Trump looking at neo-Nazis and like shaking their hands.
And it will look very real.
And some kid will see it and believe it and grow up and say, I saw the video.
I saw the photo of Trump doing it.
You're lying to me.
And that's what reality is going to be for all these people.
Derangement.
ian crossland
Gosh, what's that Mandela effect?
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
But like for real, a real one that was seeded by this stuff.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think what you said earlier is actually crazier, that you're gonna get a phone call from your mom and it's gonna be the AI.
ian crossland
So nuts.
tim pool
And it's gonna be like, hey honey, can you give me the password to the garage?
ian crossland
Yeah, you get a text from like, or you get an email and it'll be like, I lost your number, can you call me?
tim pool
Well, no.
ian crossland
I mean, who knows?
tim pool
It will be your mother's voice being like, I need the garage code.
I forgot it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
That is the scene in Terminator 2 that Phil brought up too, where he gets the call and he's like, Oh, I'll be right home.
benny johnson
You just maybe think about something.
What if you got a call from a dead relative through AI?
ian crossland
Dude, it's going to happen.
I mean, maybe not to us specifically, but it might be happening right now.
benny johnson
Your Nana calls you.
Man, I would do anything to hear from family members that have lost before.
I mean, not anything, right?
But it would be like, man, what if I could talk to them one more time?
tim pool
It will scan your dad's Facebook, learn everything about you in a second, and then call you up and have memories and everything.
phil labonte
I am so glad my dad passed away in 2000.
tim pool
And behind the screen is a monster with tentacles with a gigantic demon grin.
ian crossland
Yeah, with like weird pauses.
benny johnson
But people will be tempted by that, right?
People will be tempted.
That'll play on human emotion.
And people will stand in line to give that AI anything just to hear from Nano one more time.
tim pool
Take a look at this picture.
Imagine if someone was told, you tell a kid, this is a picture from Woodstock.
And the kid, as a young kid, sees it.
They don't really think too much about it, maybe they're 8 years old.
Then, when they're like 17 or 18, they're like, what was that picture you showed me a really long time ago of that woman?
I can't find it anywhere.
It will be incorporated into their brains.
They will grow up believing these things are real images.
And you can never take that away.
It's scary where this is going, man.
Look at this.
phil labonte
Formative memories that are not actually memories.
tim pool
They're memories of people who didn't happen.
Women who are not real.
This is crazy.
Holding up their hands to show that they can do five fingers now.
Oh, wow.
But here's the crazy thing.
phil labonte
The fingers were the giveaway for a long time.
tim pool
Look at this.
Look at this.
The animation I just played a moment ago of that woman was like, I have been animated.
Imagine where we're going to be in one year.
unidentified
My name is Rain, and I was created using version 5 of Mid Journey.
tim pool
So Mid Journey created this person, and then it used an animation program to animate it, and then a voice AI to create a voice for it.
There's better voice AI already.
What if they took a, here's what you can do.
With 11 labs, you can take two different voices, upload them, and create one voice based on two people.
So you can take two women, combine their voices, and then have the voice AI be a new, unique voice that no one would recognize, and have this woman speak using that voice.
Actors are going to be gone in a few years.
Movies will look completely realistic, AI-generated, in a moment.
They will go in and they'll say—they already did this with that anime thing, that anime team.
I forgot what their names were.
I don't know if you saw that.
They filmed themselves, then used an AI to convert it into anime, and then converted— I heard about it.
It's crazy.
In one or two years, we're going to be at the point where they say, give me a scene where Ian and Benny Johnson are driving to the grocery store to pick up heavy whipping cream because they're going to make strawberry shortcake.
And it will render it, and then it will even write the script for you.
These programs already exist to do this.
We can already use a program to prompt video.
We can already AI generate images of known people.
We can already do voice AI generation.
If all of this was combined into one suite of tools, you could type it in, press enter, let it render for an hour, and then boom, you've got a 10 minute scene with a conversation.
ian crossland
I'm not blackmailed about this.
It's overwhelming, but I feel like we're on the precipice of some sort of obliteration, whether it's like a reformation of consciousness, of thought, of what it even means to be a hominid, and that, like, what is our purpose in this?
Is it just to, like, kind of lay groundwork for ethics so that the people that are there to pick up the pieces and the machines that are watching and scanning the net can, like, search for the ethical behavior and kind of mimic that in the future?
Or are we?
I mean, it's probably not monolithic, like some people- Isn't that what our ancestors did for us?
Pretty much, with writing.
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright, we're gonna go to Super Chat!
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unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Well, for one, because we need your memberships to run this company.
That's how we do it.
We'd rather have U.S.
customers as opposed to a bunch of corporate sponsors, though we do have some.
We rely more so on membership.
But you'll also get access to the uncensored after show which goes live around 10 10 p.m.
Monday through Thursday and then is archived forever.
And you can go back and watch all of the videos from all of our archives.
I really do recommend y'all watch yesterday's episode with Jim Hansen because we had an hour-long debate.
over the origin of wokeness, and I go into detail on my technology theory, how it's not the institutions, it's not academia, that is a mistake based on people.
I'll simplify it for you.
Smart people who pay attention to this stuff seem smart to the average person, tell you the core of what we're experiencing is this institution, and the average person says, makes sense to me.
But if you were to actually step back and look at the entirety of the picture, you will see it's technology-based.
It's not wokeness in the universities.
It is an amalgam of chaotic, destructive ideology emerging from AI, algorithmic garbage, which is simply proven by the fact that all of these things, depression, anger, and political conflict emerged at the exact same time we rolled out social media around the world in several different countries.
ian crossland
Man, and Nazism and fascism flourished when the radio kicked on.
tim pool
It really is.
ian crossland
You gotta watch this tech.
tim pool
All right, let's read some Super Chats.
I'm not your buddy, guys, says The Distance Between Insanity.
The distance between insanity and genius is only measured by success.
Elliot Carver, of all villains, who would have thought he would be so realistic?
Very interesting.
Grant Shearer says, what if DMT entities can take over sufficiently complex AI brains we create?
What if we are building bodies and brains for demons?
Oh, that's freaking wild. I don't know. I'm more inclined to believe that we are in some kind of simulation of our
own creation And that DMT kind of snaps you out of it for a second
And so we're probably playing a video game and the reason the machine elves are like what are you doing here?
Is it's because like you're playing a game and you plugged in but then briefly while you're in the game your eyes open
And they're like, what are you doing?
Like I thought you were in the game And then you go right back in because it only lasts like 10
ian crossland
minutes and they're like that was weird Yeah, when you see the infinite fractalization of everything in every direction, and you realize, like, you're just the beginning of that, in this reality, it's pretty wild.
tim pool
Hayden Lewis says, Hey Tim and gang, new-time member and long-time fan, could any of you elaborate on what the Willow Project might be and what the effects will be for the U.S.?
I don't know if that is.
Do you know what that is?
ian crossland
First I've heard of it.
tim pool
Yeah, I've not heard of it.
All right.
Wayback says, Tim, if you had to bet your entire company and all of your assets on who wins the 2024 election, who are you going with?
Donald Trump.
ian crossland
Oh, you think he'll win?
I feel like the deep states has no taste right now.
tim pool
I think the economy is going to get so bad with the banking stuff that Donald Trump will probably march right in at this point.
I don't know for sure, and a lot can change from now to then.
But as of right now, with the economy as bad as it is, it's looking like a Donald Trump victory.
ian crossland
Some sort of populist sweep?
tim pool
Donald Trump, hands down, across the board.
You've got cultural, moral, and financial decay.
People are going to beg for Donald Trump.
Right now.
We'll see, though.
We'll see, though.
Could change.
A lot can change.
Let's grab some more.
Anthony Brownlee says, if George Washington came back today, everyone in Congress would be prosecuted for treason.
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
He was a hardcore authoritarian?
unidentified
No, it's just that the government is so outside of the constitutional bounds.
phil labonte
So far outside of the constitutional bounds.
tim pool
Dan says, gradually and then suddenly.
Guns, gardens, and goats.
Cows and chickens too, of course.
We went and checked out the chickens.
Roberto Jr.' 's having a good old time.
Yeah, he walks around doing Roberto Jr.
ian crossland
stuff.
tim pool
He's a good dude.
ian crossland
Sounds great out there.
tim pool
He's chill.
Roberto is mean.
ian crossland
Why do you think that was?
tim pool
I don't know, because Roberto was born in a farm, and then we raised him here, so he was not around people.
Roberto Jr.
was hand-raised by me and Allison, so he was a little tiny baby.
When he hatched, we were right there, and we would hold him, and we would feed him, and we took care of him in the incubator, and then we had him as he was getting bigger and bigger, and then we brought him outside.
So now he just kind of looks up at us, and he's super chill, like, oh yeah, it's you guys.
You guys are awesome.
I think it's mostly because we were there when he was born.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And so he's like, I know you guys, you know, you're always there.
You can walk in and he'll just walk around and he'll look at you and he's super nice and super chill.
He's a good dude, man.
He's a good dude.
Roberto's kind of mean, but you know, he's living the good life.
Over at Cocktown, there have been some deaths.
unidentified
Oh.
ian crossland
What's happened?
Are they fighting?
tim pool
No, no, no.
They're captured.
Killed.
They, like, jump out or whatever.
Roberto's fine.
At least I hope so.
But here's the thing.
We have the Penal Colony Building, where the Blackstar Roosters are, and they can't leave, and it's just disgusting, and they're covered in their own feces and everything, but they're safe.
ian crossland
Are they the most violent?
tim pool
Yes.
Then you have Roberto and the boys.
They're in this big barn with a door they can walk out of.
Go outside and graze and then go back inside.
And I thought about, because we care about Roberto.
You know, he's one of the OGs.
We don't want him to die.
But I don't want to put him in the prison box because I'd rather he have a short good life than a long prison sentence.
ian crossland
God, I think about this with Bucko so much.
He sits in my bathroom and he's stuck in the room because he's, you know, healing, but he cries to get out.
I know his feelings.
It hasn't even got hot yet.
tim pool
Yeah, but he's alive.
And that's the challenge.
I mean, look, he is happy.
He was dying and on the verge of death.
It was bad.
So that's different.
Roberto has a chance for a real healthy life to walk out in the grass and do his thing.
And he's got the boys with him.
They're mostly fine.
And he can go inside and be okay.
And they have a high elevated area where they're safe.
If something bad happens, it's an accident, and it's probably not likely, but it could happen.
But I'd rather Roberto live a full rooster life where he gets to go outside and smell the fresh air, you know, in his retirement, as opposed to locking him in a cage where he's safe but has no life.
ian crossland
Would you neural link with Roberto to see what he wanted?
tim pool
No.
I'd maybe neural link to a machine or something that can read what he wanted.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, sure.
And he could read your thoughts if he wanted.
tim pool
No, I don't know about that part.
Don't think his little brain would be able to handle it.
ian crossland
Think of the chickens.
benny johnson
So, I mean, yeah, speaking of cock town, I mean, do you believe that people... What?
Do you believe that people will... Will people just give up sex with AI?
tim pool
Well, we're talking about roosters, not, you know, but yeah, probably.
benny johnson
Right, so like, do you think they'll just give up sex?
Because I'm looking at you right here.
tim pool
Absolutely, they're already doing it.
benny johnson
So here's the birth rates.
They're already doing it.
The birth rates for Japan, America, and Germany, and they're all below the rate of replacement.
All of them.
Japan's really bad.
tim pool
They've already given it up.
benny johnson
So all the articles about Japan is that men just live inside of a digital universe, they don't want, going out and dating is hard, women can turn them down, they don't want to get their feelings hurt, so it's better to just animate all night and day.
phil labonte
Yes.
benny johnson
With a sock.
ian crossland
And drugs, pharmaceuticals, and weed.
benny johnson
And so what about that AI, now it's not an anime, and it's not something you have to buy, you can literally just generate, you can generate your perfect wife, and you can generate your perfect whatever you're into, And then you never have to try ever again.
tim pool
You saw that mid-journey.
These dudes are gonna be like, AI, generate me a 24-year-old woman with silver hair who's the commander of the Star Commander Battalion, and I'm with her on the ship as we're traveling to the Centauri Nebula, blah, blah, blah, or whatever, Alpha Centauri, to save the aliens.
And then they're gonna go bang this space commander, and they're gonna experience it through Neuralink.
They're gonna have anything they ever wanted.
benny johnson
And then they'll take that out and they'll look around, like, women.
phil labonte
No, no, they won't take it out.
benny johnson
Or they won't take it out, right.
They'll go to the local townie bar and they'll look at the women there and they'll go, I'm never gonna have sex again.
I'm gonna be a celibate man.
I'm never gonna procreate.
tim pool
What will happen is, they will go to a lab.
benny johnson
Their testosterone level will go through the floor.
Their sperm count will atomize.
tim pool
That won't matter.
benny johnson
Their sperm count will, like, disappear.
tim pool
That won't matter because what they'll do is they'll take a piece of hair.
Give it to the reproduction lab, and the lab will create the human, and then the human will be raised by the state.
You hear that helicopter?
What's going on?
benny johnson
Choppa!
phil labonte
Alright.
tim pool
This is just a bunch of hyphens.
Says, book Ron Paul and Thomas Massey together on your show soon.
Please, please, please, please, please, please, please.
Uh, we are, we, we do, we actually think we do have Ron Paul booked.
Um, maybe we should invite Thomas Massey.
benny johnson
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Totally should invite him.
tim pool
We're going to Texas.
ian crossland
I love Thomas, man.
benny johnson
Thomas Massey's so based.
tim pool
So maybe we ask him if he wants to come down or something.
That'd be really fun to have them on our show.
phil labonte
I would like to meet Thomas Massey in person.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's the best.
tim pool
Yeah, he was here with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
That was fun.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright, Brent Simonson says, Phil, check out Generac storage.
As a building inspector in my local jurisdiction, I see a lot of their LP generators and battery storage systems.
benny johnson
That's what I got, Generac.
tim pool
Yeah, Generac's fairly common.
I'm pretty sure they're everywhere out here.
phil labonte
Nice.
tim pool
Yeah, you definitely gotta have something if you're out in the middle of nowhere.
I think solar's the way to do it.
Getting a big wind thing is also great.
A wind turbine?
benny johnson
Yeah.
phil labonte
I've got the solar.
ian crossland
I need the spherical ones.
tim pool
So the cylindrical ones that they're like weird metal looking spirals and they spin that don't get birds caught in them.
Right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
All right, Stevie VV says, for any of us living paycheck to paycheck, no reason to pull your money out.
There's nothing there.
Glad 2020 stimulus bought cheap guns and ammo and stocked the pond.
That's actually not true.
It's the snowflake in an avalanche.
They say no snowflake blamed itself for the avalanche, but if every person living, you would need every person living paycheck to paycheck to pull their bank, their money out of a bank to cause the bank, the bank run.
It is the grassroots.
You just need like 10 million people to do it and all of those $400 add up.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Apple boy says all those new IRS agents are busy cataloging US citizens accounts for the new digital currency, which may be why they hired them all.
benny johnson
Smart.
tim pool
Interesting, right?
unidentified
Smart.
tim pool
Oh boy.
Well, this sounds like it's gonna be fun.
Because if you noticed, the recent Treasury announcement is almost exactly the same as
the speech Paulson made in 2008.
Oh boy.
Well, this sounds like it's gonna be fun.
phil labonte
You guys ready for September?
I'm worried about like what happens after the summertime.
Cause the third quarter is, is typically like down anyways.
Like for some reason there, that's why, that's where the, uh, uh, the green, where green day came up with the name of the song, uh, waking up where, when September ends.
It's because the, for some reason at the end, the second, the end of the third quarter is like a mess.
So I'm concerned about what the economy is going to be like in the fall.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, totally.
tim pool
All right.
Kenneth Hart says, the banking, the baking system is not failing.
I just made biscuits.
Banks?
Yeah, this is Armageddon.
ian crossland
It's been planned, I think, for a long time.
So if that's, maybe that's a silver lining.
tim pool
Kyle Snash says, breaking news, Fedcoin officially comes in July.
unidentified
No?
Yeah.
tim pool
Hillbillory Clinton says, the fact that you can take my money and give it away means that you understand where I want my money to go.
The Timpire is here.
That's right, because as I ask you to become members, I've also pointed out that we are going to be doing some kind of grant program where once a month we choose someone who submitted their cultural endeavor idea to receive $10,000.
So I don't know if you heard us talk about this, but the idea is We want it to be for members, that if you're a member of TimCast.com and you're working on some kind of cultural endeavor, you send us the pitch, you say, here's what I've, and you have to have like a working prototype.
You have to, if you're making a comic, you've got a comic in production.
And then we're going to have maybe like an outside group choose one person to be the winner to receive 10 grand.
Just like, there you go.
benny johnson
Can I be on that board?
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
And Kash Patel.
benny johnson
Nice.
tim pool
The idea is we want to scattershot cultural works.
Because if we can get a hundred people money to work on their project, one of them is going to hit top tier levels.
One of them is going to hit a platinum song.
One of them is going to make a Picasso.
One of them is going to write the next Harry Potter, right?
And then it will be from someone who has good American values.
So that's the idea for the program.
ian crossland
And honestly, man, one person cracks the code and it is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars.
In this modern era, money falls short of human ingenuity.
tim pool
So it might.
benny johnson
Are you taking a percentage or is this just like a philanthropic?
tim pool
The original idea was just to give the money.
benny johnson
Yeah.
tim pool
But you may not be allowed to do it because here's the funny thing.
If we choose a member who's like if we get 10 submissions every month And then we decide to choose one and give them 10 grand.
That's a sweepstakes, and there's a bunch of weird rules for sweepstakes.
If we choose to invest in their project and take a percentage, it's not a sweepstakes, because there's consideration exchanged.
benny johnson
Interesting.
tim pool
So we may have to do like a 1 to 5% or something in exchange for 10 grand or whatever, which actually does make a lot of sense.
It builds the company up.
And then if one out of a hundred turns into a golden or platinum record or something equivalent
and money is generated, that money then goes to doing more of the same.
And we could potentially exponentially increase culture building
and build a new Hollywood outside of the old crappy weird woke Hollywood,
you know, with these cultural endeavors.
benny johnson
I love that.
tim pool
That's the plan.
Maybe we'll just start doing it.
I mean, we got a bunch of people emailed us already.
Let me write this down.
Make the email for it.
Email.
ian crossland
Start getting your companies set up.
If you're going to be getting an investment, you're going to need a company and stock ready to go.
tim pool
That's right.
Maybe S Corp or something.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
You guys got to figure that out.
ian crossland
I'm a big fan of LegalZoom.com.
I don't know how you guys go about your corporations.
tim pool
But it's going to be serious.
It's not going to be like if someone says, hey, I had this idea.
I wanted to make a website.
It's going to be like, OK, well, did you make it?
No, it's got to be someone who's like, hey, I wrote this book.
It's currently with the editor and I need X amount of dollars for this reason.
And they're going to be like, here you go.
So it's going to be like and if and if we get submissions and none of them are actual functioning projects, then nobody gets any money.
But I seriously think there are people who are already doing stuff.
There's going to be some guy who says, like, in my spare time, I'm building these cars that do these things.
If I had the money, I would do this, that, or otherwise.
We'll be like, here's the money.
Make it happen.
Do it.
Film it.
Put it on video.
And then the other idea we had was to film the whole process and make a show out of it.
benny johnson
So it's like Internet Shark Tank.
tim pool
Right, we show up and we're like, your project has won this month's grant, we come, we check out the project, then the show promotes the project, the money helps finance the project, and then hopefully it takes off and succeeds, and then we get more, you know, rip-a-verse, more Eric July type stuff, more cultural endeavors that succeed.
So, Scattershot.
You know, with, like, Eric July, he's got a platform, so for him to launch this, it's easier than, say, someone who's, like, a steel worker who's got a side project.
But if that side project is the next Harry Potter, and it's gonna come from someone who believes in America, yeah, we really want that.
We want that to happen.
So it's about finding those people and getting them funding to win.
So maybe, I mean, if they're gonna make the next Harry Potter, having a percentage of that company would be very, very fantastic.
You know what I mean?
So maybe it'll be our grant program and we'll invest in it.
The challenge there is we've got to figure out how our company, my company, can own a
percentage because we may have to create an investment company that has funds to do this.
benny johnson
Because what you're talking about is creating a VC firm.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
Well, like an angel investing firm.
benny johnson
Yeah, VC.
tim pool
Yeah.
benny johnson
You're a venture capitalist.
tim pool
We're doing it.
Let's get on it.
Well, I got a buddy, I think I can call and ask him if he wants the job.
And then he'll be in charge of it.
It'll be like an incubator.
You know, we'll find these cultural projects.
And everyone will be somebody who's like, you don't got to be a conservative, you just got to be like, I believe in America, I care about this country, I care about family, I care about freedom, free speech.
benny johnson
Here's the best part, if you lose all of your money on bad investments, the federal government will bail you out.
tim pool
Yeah, I'll just go and be like, when's Trump's president?
benny johnson
Just, yeah.
Just tweet, Black Lives Matter.
tim pool
Trans Lives Matter, and then you'll get all your money back.
I mean, that's another thing, too.
I don't want to put too much money into more podcasts, because we are a podcast, but there will be YouTube shows.
There will be someone who's like, I have a show that covers this thing.
It's really, you know, people love it.
We just need money to do this.
It'd be really, really cool.
ian crossland
Yeah, like a camera setup.
You get your audio camera equipment set up for $6,000 or $7,000.
tim pool
I mean, that's... Yeah, and maybe even some of these shows, we go beyond $10,000, like...
If someone's got a really good podcast, and we're like, this is like some of the most interesting stuff I've ever heard.
Maybe it's, you know, survival apocalypse.
Maybe it's technology and AI.
And then we're like, screw it.
Let's sign them on for a deal.
And then, you know, I think there's an opportunity for us to expand the Tim Cass Media Group, but also to invest in cultural endeavors and win the culture war.
And then maybe, you know, like you said, you want to be involved.
Kash Patel said he wants to be involved.
benny johnson
Yeah.
tim pool
Kash said if, you know, he knows people who are probably interested in financing and stuff like that.
His view is more non-profit based, but we could easily pull in a whole bunch of influential people in the space and then create some kind of consortium of culture building.
benny johnson
Yeah, because Shark Tank is the most popular show on all of CNBC?
Is that what it's on?
CNBC?
ian crossland
I'm not sure.
benny johnson
I think it's on CNBC.
ian crossland
It's such a good show.
benny johnson
I mean, it's wild, and it kills in the ratings, and people love watching this.
They love watching entrepreneurs succeed.
It's in our blood as Americans.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe we actually just have, like, you, me, and Cash, and maybe someone else, and we're, like, sitting in chairs in the new studio, and then someone walks in, and they're like, here's my project idea.
benny johnson
Fly them in?
Yeah.
ian crossland
NBC.
Oh, yeah, CNBC.
tim pool
If we do it that way, then it would literally be like you, as Benny Johnson, deciding how much money you wanted to give them personally.
You'd be like, hmm, you know, I'll give you five grand for this project.
I think it's a good idea.
You know what I mean?
benny johnson
And we could all invest.
I mean, if you get like a winner, it'd be great.
And then you have equity, and then you create your new economy, your parallel economy.
tim pool
In Shark Tank, you sometimes have them competing with each other.
Like, no, no, no, don't sign with him.
I'll do a better deal.
I'll do 5%.
Then I'll do 2.5% for the same amount I want in this company.
benny johnson
That'd be entertaining.
People love watching that.
tim pool
Yeah.
That'd be really cool.
benny johnson
And they like watching the entrepreneurs.
ian crossland
Yeah, you learn a lot.
benny johnson
Yeah.
We have a sponsor on the show.
And ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for subscribing to the channel.
We have a sponsor on the show, Moink, which is like a meat company.
tim pool
Yeah, we have Moink as well.
benny johnson
Right.
And they started on Shark Tank.
unidentified
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
benny johnson
And it's like, I'm a farmer and I just want to be able to deliver good meat that's not made in China or poisoned.
And they're like, hey, here's the money.
And I ate my first.
This is not an ad, right?
Not paid to say this.
Not here on this show.
And it's like, that's good.
It's good.
This is good.
This is delicious.
tim pool
Yeah, we, for the audio side of things, we've done ads for them and they send you the big sample box and it gets annihilated instantly.
Because, like, it's real farm meat.
benny johnson
It's very good farm meat, yes.
tim pool
But you're right.
Not to start getting into an ad for a company that's not paying us currently.
benny johnson
Correct.
tim pool
But it is a good company.
They started on Shark Tank.
benny johnson
They started on Shark Tank.
tim pool
So there's probably a bunch of success we could have doing some kind of show like this where it's, like, the consortium of, you know, cultural endeavors or whatever.
ian crossland
We should get Kevin O'Leary to come in and guest host.
Dude, totally.
One day, yeah, that'd be fun.
benny johnson
I mean, sure!
You realize how, like, the way that this would work is this product would be almost instantaneously successful because you put all of our audiences together focusing on this product.
Or this, let's say Moink came to us.
Let's say a meat box company came to us and we said, no, that's, that's based real American meat steaks.
tim pool
We've got local farms all over the place that sell meat.
benny johnson
And they come to us and it's like, Oh, that'd be awesome.
And then with the collective audience, if you got other influencers to do this, the collective audience would alone, like almost nearly guarantee the success of this product.
tim pool
Yep, that's the point of Shark Tank.
benny johnson
That's correct.
tim pool
They invest in it, they promote it, and they make money off of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's do the same thing for cultural endeavors that are anti-woke.
benny johnson
Yes.
tim pool
That believe in America.
I'm saying it doesn't have to be conservative, it just has to be not that.
You know what I mean?
benny johnson
Can I pitch you one?
tim pool
Yeah, sure.
benny johnson
Okay, so my... Okay, it's just something I've always had rattling around in my head.
My wife, her family has a farm in Delaware.
It's a family farm, and they have cows.
And they feed their cows beer.
What do I mean by that?
They spent mash.
When you make a beer, you have spent mash.
And I'm like, that is the coolest thing ever.
Beer cows.
Beer steaks.
Like steaks that are fed with Jack Daniels spent mash.
Or like steaks that have only, cows that have, there's an entire market about this in Japan, right?
With cows that get massaged and are the Wagyu beef.
They like, you're buying a type of beef that was raised a certain way.
And these cows that come from this farm only eat beer.
phil labonte
Man, that's the most American thing I ever heard.
unidentified
They're delicious.
benny johnson
They're delicious.
They have a freezer full of all these steaks and they're really good.
I'm like, that would be so awesome if I could pair my steak.
I like Woodford Reserve.
If I could pair my steak with a cow that's only eaten Woodford Reserve mash build and I get to have my Woodford Reserve steak by cow that's only eaten that and the cows love it.
phil labonte
It's very nourishing.
benny johnson
It's full of nourishment.
It's full of goodness.
phil labonte
I'm going to cry.
benny johnson
Stop.
I'm like, that would be an amazing company.
tim pool
It's before fermentation, so it's just like grain mash?
benny johnson
Yeah, so you have to have all this wheat.
They ate the wheat anyway, right?
You have to have all this wheat, all this corn, and you mash it all together depending on what you're making.
Beer, bourbon, barley.
You put it all together, and it has different types of mash build, means different types of bourbons or beers, and that's where you get the taste.
And so these cows, they're right down the street from Dogfish Head, very famous brewery.
And dogfish has just dumped all this spent grain.
So one, you're actually reusing the grain for something that's good.
You're feeding the animals.
And you're not having to kill more plants to feed these animals.
You're actually taking the spent grain, and then you're repurposing this, and then you have dogfish cows.
So you have these cows that have only eaten beer.
their entire lives. It's beautiful. Is it noticeable in the flavor? I—it's all AI, man.
Like, it's noticeable if you noticed it. Yeah, yeah. It's like the semantic. It's not a lie,
if you believe it, right? Like George Costanza. So it's like, it's noticeable if you see it.
So I don't mean to hijack the comments section here. I could tell you what—
I would love to invest in that.
ian crossland
I need plugs that automatically unplug themselves on a timer, so when I fall asleep at midnight, all my plugs, though they're still on the wall, something switches and they're no longer plugged in, just in case of a solar flare.
phil labonte
I don't know about plugging them in, but you can get an Alexa that does that.
ian crossland
Alexa will turn off your plugs.
Actually, like, safe from solar flare?
That's what I need.
phil labonte
Not physically remove them.
You want a robot is what you want.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Or even a plastic switch.
phil labonte
C-3PO.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got Doc Holliday.
He says, Redwood trees are only 300 to 350 feet tall.
unidentified
Only.
tim pool
Only.
phil labonte
That's all?
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
That's very, very big.
That's insanely tall.
phil labonte
Do you know how tall I am?
That's not only.
tim pool
Our new building's 40 feet tall.
The new studio.
I'm imagining looking at it and then imagining that like times seven.
benny johnson
The Redwoods are only?
phil labonte
Only.
benny johnson
Only 300 feet tall?
ian crossland
That's all.
379 is the tallest on record.
Hyperion is what it's called.
And they live about 500 to 700 years.
Little guys.
Up to 2,000 years old.
Got them.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Raymond G. Taylor says, Tim, are your TVs up yet?
If not, come on, man.
Are you talking about at the new building?
So we need permits and stuff.
It's crazy how long it takes.
We just bought the building and it's only been a few months.
So we're setting up like a private club.
It's a coffee shop.
But we've got to do design, construction, so that's like six months out.
Who knows how long that'll take.
ian crossland
Takes forever.
tim pool
Yeah, it's crazy.
And then we're going to do the second floor is going to be like gaming and, you know, like board games, skate shop kind of hangout, plays with movies.
Ian's Crystal Cove is the mezzanine, I guess, that we're putting on the mezzanine where it's going to be a cool little hangout, nook to watch a movie and have your coffee.
Then third floor is going to be like the elite VIP club, like social club, not very big.
There'll be drinks and stuff.
Free drinks, free food.
A little bit more expensive, but we're gonna bring that, you know, cultural building stuff out here to West Virginia.
So I'm excited for that.
Alright everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, and become a member at TimCast.com because that members-only live portion of the show is going up in about 10 minutes and you don't want to miss it.
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Do you want to shout anything out?
benny johnson
So we have now, thanks to the TimCast audience, passed 770,000 subscribers on our YouTube, and I just want to say thank y'all.
Y'all are so based.
I love you.
Big heart.
ian crossland
Love you.
benny johnson
We want to get to a million subs this year, and I think we're going to get there.
And stay based.
tim pool
Right on.
phil labonte
I am Phil Labonte.
I am philthatremains on Twitter and philthatremainsofficial on Instagram.
Give me a follow.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crosland.
Hit me up anywhere on the internet.
Benny, always a pleasure, man.
That was really great.
benny johnson
How fun was this?
ian crossland
Shout out to your wife.
benny johnson
Nurse Kate.
ian crossland
Nurse Kate.
benny johnson
Nurse Kate on Instagram.
If you're into fitness, if you want to live a healthier lifestyle, follow Nurse Kate on Instagram.
ian crossland
Thank you, sir.
unidentified
Yeah, thanks, Benny.
I watch you on YouTube all the time.
I appreciate it.
Let me get that.
Yeah.
Yeah, there you go.
I watch you all the time.
Appreciate it.
Glad you went to East Palestine.
Good to see you here.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
Make sure you go to TimCast.com.
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