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Timcast IRL - Fetterman Rumored BRAINDEAD, Sponsors Bill Despite Hospitalization w/Ashley St. Clair
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tim pool
So, John Fetterman, the Democrat Senator from Pennsylvania, apparently signed on to some
legislation and drafted a letter, despite the fact he's been hospitalized for two weeks
and no one has seen him since and his wife and children have fled the country.
Okay, fled.
They went on vacation.
And Fetterman's in the hospital for depression.
The rumor that's going around is that he's brain dead, or close to it.
I don't know if that's true, but the dude was already suffering from some severe debilitating effects of a stroke.
So if the guy disappears for two weeks, no one's heard from him, I'm not so sure depression is the simple solution that makes the least amount of assumptions, especially when his family dips out of the country for vacation. But, you know, who
knows? Maybe the guy's just chilling and he's depressed or whatever right after winning the
biggest race of his life and accomplishing his dreams. He's sad now. I don't know. For
all we know, like, he got his dreams, and then he's like, I can't function. And he really is
depressed. But the rumor going around is that he's just no longer functioning, near brain dead.
And there are even some Republicans demanding proof of life.
Maybe a bit, uh, exaggerated, but a lot of people are wondering, how did he sign onto this legislation if he's currently admitted to a hospital and not working?
Alright.
Let's talk about it.
Then we got Joe Biden, who laughed when discussing a story about a mother whose two children died when they accidentally ingested fentanyl, and Corinne Jean-Pierre says, no, no, no, he's being sympathetic to the family, of course, of course.
Biden blames Trump.
Here's what I love about the story.
Donald Trump inherits a busted border from Obama and Biden, and immediately, his whole campaign was building a wall to stop these problems, immediately starts deporting people and trying to build a wall, which is blocked by Democrats, and now, You have Joe Biden saying, oh no, that was Trump's fault.
That was during the Trump administration.
All right, let's talk about the border crisis.
There's a bunch of other stories, of course, we can get to.
There's a Tennessee lawmaker who wants to bring back hanging people by a tree as a method of execution.
Well, all right, I guess that seems to be where we're going.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Ashley St.
Clair.
ashley st clair
Hello, hello.
Thanks for having me again, Tim.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Who are you?
ashley st clair
What do you do?
I do operations for the Babylon Bee and I am also an author of the anti-trans children's book, Elephants Are Not Birds.
tim pool
Another story that we should talk about is this viral video of drag for babies.
There's this viral video going around where there's literally babies, I'm not exaggerating, babies on the ground as a guy does a thong striptease.
And there's like disco lights going off.
ashley st clair
Yo, it's- It should be criminal.
tim pool
Yeah.
ashley st clair
It should be criminal.
Do not pass go.
Do not collect $200.
tim pool
That's in London, but I'm pretty sure it's already illegal.
It's just cops.
We'll get into it.
Also joining us tonight is Mary Morgan.
mary morgan
Hello, everyone.
It's been a while since I've been on IRL.
My name is Mary Morgan.
Why is my voice shot?
I'm on Pop Culture Crisis here in the attic at Timcast, and I was let out today.
tim pool
That's right, in the attic.
mary morgan
Happy to be here.
ian crossland
Maybe it's your meat diet.
mary morgan
Yeah.
unidentified
How's the meat diet?
mary morgan
I've been on the carnivore diet recently.
Still adjusting.
I feel like I don't really want food anymore.
I'm just repulsed by it now.
ian crossland
Alright, you're on the right track.
mary morgan
Am I?
Is that a good sign?
ian crossland
I don't know how this all works.
Ashley, you said you put anti-trans in air quotes when you were describing your book.
ashley st clair
That's what they say about it.
ian crossland
Okay, so that's the criticism, but the book itself is about you are what you are.
Be happy with what you are.
ashley st clair
Elephants are not birds.
Boys are not girls.
Girls are not boys.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Ian Crawson here.
Happy to be here.
Good to see you again, Ashley.
Mary, good to see you.
unidentified
Hi.
ian crossland
Surge, what's happening, brother?
unidentified
Yo, uh...
tim pool
Oh, your microphones are far away from your face.
serge du preez
I'm just not talking into it.
Um, yeah, ready to start the show.
tim pool
Let's jump into this first story!
We got this from the post-millennial John Fetterman co-sponsor Senate bill despite being institutionalized since February 15th.
Fetterman's office has not said who is co-sponsoring legislation with his name on it while he remains institutionalized.
A senior aide revealed that Fetterman would be hospitalized for up to two months.
So it's clearly not him.
I guess that's the important point, is they're saying he's co-sponsoring this bill, but it's probably just a member of his staff.
And I gotta show you this right here from Twitter.
Or from John Cardillo on Twitter.
He says, this is from February 25th, so it was a while ago.
Being told that Fetterman is essentially brain dead and it's being hidden because keeping him in office until August 18th avoids a special election which Republicans would most certainly win.
This must be investigated.
So here's the best part about this tweet.
There's the- the context gets added to it.
And it says, readers added context they thought people might want to know.
The August 18th date has no significance.
If a senator from Pennsylvania passes away, a replacement appointed by the governor will serve until the next special election.
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
Thank you for the fact check, Twitter.
No, uh, no fact check on whether or not Vetterman's brain dead or not.
That one they didn't- So that's- I saw that and I was like, okay.
A bunch of users said, no, no, no, there won't be a special election.
He's probably brain dead, but they'll just, you know, replace him.
The 18th date doesn't matter.
They'll just replace him or something.
So is Fetterman brain dead?
ashley st clair
They're not debating the brain dead part.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That's what I thought was funny.
I'm like, you'd think they'd be like, there's no evidence to suggest that John Fetterman is effectively brain dead.
He was institutionalized with depression.
mary morgan
That's not really a medical term, is it?
Brain dead?
tim pool
It might be.
mary morgan
I don't know.
And are they- is this like a cover-up of a suicide attempt?
tim pool
No, no, no.
mary morgan
Is he struggling with depression?
tim pool
I don't- The depression's probably fake.
ashley st clair
I feel like the Democrat part- That's the fake part?
tim pool
Yeah, he's probably in the hospital because his brain doesn't work.
ian crossland
Brain death is a thing.
It's permanent, irreversible, and complete loss of brain function.
unidentified
Except for the brain stem, right?
ian crossland
I don't know the part that controls breathing or whatever, but they do say it's irreversible. So
you know, let me let me hyperbolic in this situation. We'll do an informal poll of the
tim pool
of the audience will ask the audience. What is more likely knowing Fetterman's health and medical
history that he is depressed after winning, you know his dream election and checked himself into
a hospital where he'll be for up to two months or the man who suffered a stroke not that long ago
and still can't understand words had some kind of recurring health issue that has injured his
I think that depression... Put a one in the chat if you think he's just depressed, and two if you think he's brain dead.
ashley st clair
I think the Democrat party is the worst senior care home I've ever seen.
I mean, between Fetterman and Biden, they cannot find out.
I mean, they never know where these guys are.
How do we not know where John Fetterman is?
ian crossland
I don't know.
ashley st clair
How do we not know if he's brain dead?
tim pool
Well, I always roll my eyes a little bit at stuff like this.
It is convenient for conservatives on the right to be able to say he's brain dead because the dude's basically not around.
So, in the world of politics, this is...
I don't know, par for the course.
Guy goes to the hospital, immediately come out with some salacious rumor that's gonna shock and damage the perception of this party.
But I'm kinda like, of all the rumors they could have, the dude who had a stroke not that long ago, who can't understand words, suffering another stroke, is completely plausible.
Because we talked about this before, people who suffer strokes are at risk for suffering them again.
And then all of a sudden, dude's in the hospital for several weeks, and get this, his wife is gone.
She's truly a frightful-looking woman.
ashley st clair
That's what gets me.
Even if he's not brain-dead, right?
In what world, when anyone you care about is hospitalized because they're so depressed, do you flee the country?
tim pool
I think people were ragging on her, and a lot of, like on Twitter, they were like, stop making fun of Fetterman's wife, you're bad people, and it's like, dude, her husband's depressed and in the hospital for weeks, and she just went on vacation with her kids.
That is like, that's worse than what Ted Cruz did.
Like, with Ted Cruz, he went on vacation during that ice storm, and it's like, well, he was with his family, though.
You know, so at the very least, he cares about his family.
This is like, the Senator's wife whose husband is a senator, not only fleeing the state, but
also fleeing her husband who is, you know, convalesced.
That's dark.
mary morgan
If he's just depressed, then what is the reason to hospitalize unless they think that he's a danger to himself?
Like...
tim pool
I don't know, I guess he checked himself in or something?
mary morgan
And if you're depressed, that's the last, like a hospital's the last place you should be.
And they would just ship you off to a long-term medical facility that's not a hospital.
ashley st clair
This guy's a cucumber.
He's a cucumber.
mary morgan
It just doesn't add up to me.
They assigned him this authoritarian-looking schoolteacher woman.
tim pool
Everybody thought Ruth Bader Ginsburg died that one time.
They're like, where is she?
She's dead.
And then she pops up a few months later, like, I'm still here.
And, you know, and so I wouldn't be surprised if Fetterman, you know, pops up later.
Because you can't, if someone really was brain dead, then they can't keep that covered up forever.
So I wonder if he's... I think injury makes more sense.
Recurring injury makes more sense.
But I don't know about brain dead or dead.
ian crossland
I think depression makes a lot of sense.
Whenever someone suffers a head trauma, especially fighters, it's pretty common in the fight, they have all sorts of chemical imbalance.
A lot of bad things can happen emotionally to people with head trauma.
So if he had a stroke, it's very likely that confusion brings on depression.
unidentified
Maybe.
ian crossland
And that could have led to stress.
It additionally could have led to another episode or another injury as well.
But I wouldn't, I think the depression for sure.
tim pool
What's that thing he's got where he can't understand words anymore?
That was the big thing, like, he can hear when you talk, but all he hears is like... That's problematic.
Yeah, so during the debates, there was a monitor, and when they would talk, it would translate the text to speech so that he could look at it and then read it and it was causing him problems.
ashley st clair
Yeah, he had the cheat screen.
tim pool
I wonder if it just got to the point where he's in office, he just can't do the job, and none of us thought he could do the job.
unidentified
And so, you know, he's like... So humiliating.
tim pool
Maybe, look, if he is in the hospital, I would say this, if it's not a recurring injury, then it's political.
And they probably said, we can't work with you because your brain's broken.
Go to the hospital and take a few weeks to see if you can get your head straight and we'll have your aides take care of the job for you.
ashley st clair
And we'll send your wife too.
Well, I don't know if she fled the gun.
She's probably on vacation.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
mary morgan
Where did she go for vacation?
tim pool
Canada.
In the winter.
Canada?
Canada in the winter is a great- Does she have family there?
ian crossland
Maybe she's got family there.
tim pool
Here's the story from PennLive.
What happens when your husband or father, a senator to boot, checks into the hospital and media trucks circle your home?
Pack the kids up and head to Canada, Giselle Fetterman says.
Fetterman recently explained on Twitter that she and her kids left Pennsylvania for a family trip to Niagara Falls to get away from the media coverage surrounding her husband's recovery at Walter Reed Medical Center in Washington, D.C.
Fetterman checked himself in to receive treatment for clinical depression on February 16th, according to his chief of staff, Adam Jentleson.
He is there on a voluntary basis, while his family navigates how to deal with the grief that comes with such a hospitalization.
Giselle Fetterman said she and her son ziplined across Niagara Falls, and the family did other scary things together.
This is just a really, really weird story, isn't it?
unidentified
No.
This sounds sick!
ashley st clair
It sounds sick!
mary morgan
And the people writing this... Other scary things.
ian crossland
Like, what?
tim pool
Maybe she's leaving him.
ian crossland
No, I could see they go into the hospital room and he's, like, incapacitated almost, like, uh... But he's like, I want you to be happy, kind of thing, like, do it.
tim pool
I would go with you if I could.
ashley st clair
So she's like, okay, we'll do it.
We'll go ziplining over Niagara Falls.
unidentified
I would not be able to do that.
mary morgan
Does he have, like, a Stephen Hawking, like, voice generator or something?
unidentified
He can talk.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
He just can't understand the words that are said to him.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
He could be in a coma for all I know.
I don't know.
tim pool
That's the rumor.
mary morgan
We don't know.
Remember when Trump got COVID and everyone was like, oh, he's dying.
He's dying.
They're covering it up.
And then all the establishment journalists who didn't want to seem like they were establishment were like, I hope he dies.
Like, they're really ugly people.
ian crossland
I want the best for John Fetterman.
I want him to be healthy, which is why I wanted him to lose.
Because no person that just had a stroke should be taking on that kind of mental stress.
And obviously, this is why!
ashley st clair
It's the same thing with Joe Biden.
I genuinely feel bad for both Joe Biden and Fetterman.
I feel like it's elder abuse, what they're doing.
Man, Joe is like... Putting them through the wringer.
tim pool
Neither of you agree with the... Dianne Feinstein's in the hospital right now.
unidentified
But that's shingles.
tim pool
Yeah, but still, like, how old is she?
Can someone look up her age?
So okay, so we didn't even bring this up.
We should have mentioned this.
Dianne Feinstein's in the hospital.
The Democratic Party is, with all due respect to the elderly, the geriatric party at this
point.
At least Republicans have, like, you know, they're making fun of the Republican Party
and CPAC for the weirdos and the freaks.
You had Joe Scarborough on MSNBC calling them all weirdos and freaks, and I'm like, at least they're, like, young-ish.
ian crossland
Dude, Feinstein's 89.
unidentified
89?!
ian crossland
McConnell, she's gonna be 90 in June.
Wow!
tim pool
And Nancy Pelosi's still in office, it's just a whole bunch of really old people that are slowly dying.
And young leftists don't like the Democratic Party, so...
And this could finally be the end of this garbage political party.
ashley st clair
We need term limits.
We need term limits.
ian crossland
I agree.
You know what?
tim pool
Wait, wait, I got it.
Party term limits.
ian crossland
You mean you gotta change parties at some point?
tim pool
What say you?
A Democrat cannot hold the same office longer than two consecutive terms or something like that.
ian crossland
Unless they become a Republican?
tim pool
So like, no, no, no, any party.
So we do this.
If this, any seat, a Senator seat, a Congressional seat, is held by a Democrat for, you know, like, let's say term limits.
Member of Congress, they can serve eight years.
After those eight years, you can't have the same person or political party.
ashley st clair
Oh, you gotta switch the whole thing up.
Well, you know what I think?
I think they should remove the D's and the R's on all of the ballots.
unidentified
Agreed.
ashley st clair
It should be illegal.
ian crossland
Because people will change their name to, like, Hot Lightning and stuff.
Or, like, Aaron Anderson.
unidentified
I don't think the biggest issue would be people changing their name to Hot Lightning.
ian crossland
They'll be like, if you can't, you know, if you've got to represent yourself just by a piece of text on a paper when the vote comes to stupid voters or people that ignore you.
tim pool
John Democrat Smith.
ian crossland
Yeah, they'll be like, best choice will be the name.
And they'll be like, how does best choice keep winning the elections?
tim pool
D is nuts.
ian crossland
I'm kind of joking, but I'm concerned that just taking the D and the R off wouldn't be enough because they'd still be names.
It's a start.
It is a start.
ashley st clair
You have to put your legal name.
ian crossland
So we went to Congress a month ago, and we spent some time down there- Real quick, real quick, sorry.
tim pool
Correction.
We're not there this week, we're there next week.
ian crossland
Yeah, next Friday.
We interviewed them, and I got a vibe of why they don't seem to want term limits, why there's pushback, because it's like a fraternity.
You go in and they become such close, tight battle buddies, good friends, that it's almost like losing an arm to see one of them have to go.
Like Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, they're tight.
And if all of a sudden Lauren disappears, it's like, dude, that's part of our crew, man.
tim pool
It's not just that.
They have to build their offices.
When we went there, they were explaining how you get an office, and then you have to do remodeling, and you've got to set it up.
They give you space.
That's all you get.
ian crossland
And the staff is all integrated with people of other staffs and stuff.
But, you know, that's not enough reason to not have term limits, in my opinion.
I just see why there's resistance to it now.
tim pool
Party term limits.
And bureaucrat term limits.
I think the party term limit thing is, we could even one-up it and say, a Democrat, a member of a party, or I should say a political party cannot have a member serve within, like we do a gap term.
So if a Democrat is in office for eight terms, then it can't be a Democrat for the next eight terms.
And it could only be... So basically, yeah, that is... After that, it can be the Democrats again.
So there's eight years where it's not the Democratic Party.
That means they'll have to be a third party, because if a Democrat district has their person term out, they're not going to vote Republican.
So it's got to be a different political party.
And that could mean there ends up with... We end up with like four or five different political parties that are very similar, but whatever, I'll take it.
Break up the duopoly of the private political organizations that control everything.
ashley st clair
Mmm, we're overdue for that.
ian crossland
Has that ever happened on Earth?
In any government?
That the same party can't hold power?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
Multiple terms?
tim pool
No idea.
Let's, uh, let's rag on Joe Biden, how about that?
We got this story from Fox News.
How dare you!
Mother of two sons who died from fentanyl demands Biden apologize for laughing about her story.
Don't be a coward, do something, Kiesling said in response to President Biden.
So here's the story.
This woman had two of her sons die in summer of 2020.
They took some pills they thought were Percocet, they were laced with fentanyl, they died.
She's very upset about it.
And the drugs apparently came over the southern border, a problem for which Donald Trump was trying to solve, and actually campaigned on solving in 2015, a problem that existed under the Obama-Biden administration.
So, Marjorie Taylor Greene interviews this woman.
Marjorie Taylor Greene then tweets out, basically, Biden's policies resulted in this, and then, like, these people died.
And then Biden, when asked about it, starts laughing, saying, that was under the other guy.
That was under the Trump administration.
So, she's pissed.
Obviously, her kids are dead.
And the important point in this whole story is that Donald Trump inherits Joe Biden's administration.
It's Obama's administration, but Biden's the VP.
Trump, he's campaigning in 2015 like we gotta secure the border.
We gotta stop the drug cartels.
What happens?
The media calls him racist.
Okay, the Biden administration comes back in after the fact.
The border collapses.
They claimed when Donald Trump was desperately trying to get funding to build the wall that he was racist and they shouldn't do it and it wouldn't work anyway.
So here you have Joe Biden laughing that these two kids who died, died while Trump was president despite the fact that Trump was trying to fix the problem.
So I imagine it like this.
Joe Biden and Barack Obama are in charge of the fire department when a bunch of fires erupt, and they don't do anything about it.
And then Donald Trump says, give me the fire hose and I'll put the fire out.
Trump then starts desperately spraying these buildings trying to stop the fire, and then after a few years, Biden comes back, takes it from them, and then laughs at all the people who died in that fire.
ian crossland
Yeah, they were like, are you anti-fire, Donald?
Are you fire-phobic?
tim pool
Yes, I guess.
They said when Trump is like, China's sending drugs, they're like, you can't say that, that's racist.
Then these kids die and Biden's like, haha, that was Trump.
ian crossland
Is there video of him laughing?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, he was giving a speech.
mary morgan
I don't know if he was laughing in a malicious way.
He's just not present of mind.
ashley st clair
Yeah, I don't think he was doing.
tim pool
He wasn't necessarily laughing at the woman.
He was laughing and mocking Marjorie Taylor Greene.
But it's like the context of it is Marjorie Taylor Greene says these two young men died because of these border policies.
And it's Biden's fault.
And Biden's like, no, it wasn't Trump was president.
It's like, dude, you were the vice president before Trump got in, and Trump literally campaigned on stopping a problem that was happening under your administration.
How do you blame Trump for that?
ashley st clair
He doesn't understand because Hunter knew where to get the clean ones.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's got connections.
tim pool
I think the Democrats are the party of short-term gains, so they will let the border crisis keep going if it gives them a short-term benefit in terms of economic, you know, puffing back economic numbers.
ashley st clair
But then he gives his State of the Union address and says, well, we gotta fix the crisis at the border.
We had over 70,000 fentanyl deaths.
As if he actually cares when they're the ones creating this problem and throwing gasoline on the dumpster fire at the border.
But he did say that at the State of the Union, he pretended to care.
At least for a moment.
tim pool
Can we just, can I just, you know, we got- Someone else wrote that, though.
Joe Biden- So.
Joe Biden laughed at the story, and it's just, it was a layup.
It was so easy.
Someone could have come to him and said we got a really, really great opportunity to boost your approval rating.
It's really, really great.
This Marjorie Taylor Greene is talking to this mother whose children died because of the border crisis.
This is a perfect opportunity for you to win some points.
All you got to do is say, I'm so sorry to hear about what happened to your children.
Trust me when I say I will do whatever it takes to seek justice and make sure we end the fentanyl crisis.
We are working very hard.
I'm sorry we let you down, but trust me, we'll get the job done.
Couldn't he just do that?
Like, does he have anybody- Don't even have to mean it.
unidentified
No, I know.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
Like, just give us some empty platitudes about, trust me, we're working hard.
No, he left!
mary morgan
You don't even need a plan.
Nothing.
tim pool
But look, look, here's a guy who took a secret trip to Ukraine with half a billion dollars while the East Palestine crisis was happening, and there's toxic chemicals spilling, and he's just like, well, better go to Ukraine.
That's what matters, you know, to me, I guess.
So, I'm just kind of bummed.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to insult him.
unidentified
Yeah, do it.
ian crossland
I don't think it's an insult.
tim pool
He's a bit of a prick.
ian crossland
I'm going to call him a dismissive prick is what I want to call him.
But like, I've seen him just be like, laugh and dismiss people.
Like, oh, come on.
tim pool
Matt Walsh would be proud.
ian crossland
And like, he just laughed and did the whole dismissive thing on Marjorie, which is what this sounds like, is like, that's the laughing and dismissal kind of thing.
I've seen him do it to people that are like, hey, like people, his constituents yelling at him when he was on the campaign trail.
I remember him get up in a guy's face one time.
ashley st clair
He called him fat, didn't he?
And he challenged him to a push-up contest.
tim pool
Wait, who?
unidentified
Biden did?
ashley st clair
Joe Biden, yeah.
He challenged him to a push-up contest.
He got in that guy's face and called him fat.
tim pool
You know what's funny is that Trump's actually been doing better.
One of the things about Trump that I know a lot of people liked, but a lot of people who voted for him really didn't like was his brash attitude.
He was He was divisive.
You know, he'd call people names.
He'd insult them.
Now what are we seeing from Trump?
He's putting out videos that are just like straightforward policy.
Corporate press is calling it a traditional campaign, or more so a traditional campaign.
And Joe Biden is just laughing about these problems like he's not even planning on running anyway.
Maybe that's really it, maybe he's just saying he's gonna run, but you know he's not, he doesn't care.
mary morgan
That's why Kamala laughs.
ashley st clair
What's incredible, too, is they give Marjorie so much crap for how she acted at the State of the Union, because she called him a liar.
But now he laughs in the face of this mother whose two kids died, and silence, except from Fox News.
ian crossland
He laughs, Hillary Clinton laughs wickedly, Kamala Harris laughs like an idiot.
mary morgan
Hillary Clinton laughs wickedly because she's wicked.
Joe Biden laughs because he is... Demented.
Demented.
ian crossland
And none of those laughs are because of funny stuff.
mary morgan
There's a big difference.
ian crossland
None of it's because a joke was told and they're laughing in response.
mary morgan
Kamala Harris will just be like... Oh my gosh, Kamala Harris's laugh is the most witchy laugh I've ever heard.
ian crossland
It starts off deep.
Did you see the girl did the Kamala Harris impression?
She's like, no, no, it starts off deep.
mary morgan
Just think about the psychological makeup of a career prosecutor.
It's like, no, eight years isn't enough.
Throw in for 30!
ian crossland
To have that amount of power right now and to be laughing about stuff is insane to me.
I understand humor.
We're human.
It's part of what we are.
But like, I think they're laughing because they have no vision of how to solve these problems.
ashley st clair
I think we should just accept it, though.
That's who they are.
They're laughing at us.
They're laughing at us while we die because of problems they create.
ian crossland
What were you saying?
tim pool
Say it one more time.
ashley st clair
Oh, I said they're laughing at us, and we should just accept it.
This is who they are.
They're laughing at us while our children die because of problems they created.
tim pool
Yep, but while they're laughing at us, they're also turning around and going, these poor people in Ukraine, don't you care about the Ukrainians?
mary morgan
And I'm like, I mean, personally, I know... They're so disconnected from what matters to normal people.
tim pool
I mean, yes, they're emotionally attached to people in a country they can't find on a map, but their own country they just don't care about.
mary morgan
Is this the most morally obvious thing to take a stand on?
I think it's— Lowest effort.
ashley st clair
It's different than that, though.
You said they're disconnected.
I don't think they're disconnected at all.
They know people are starving.
They know people can't afford to eat, they can't afford to live here, and they're choosing to care about these other things.
mary morgan
They're choosing to laugh in the face of— They know all these things, but they're not personally connected to it.
I remember there was this professor from Columbia or something who years ago published a book about how he's a functional heroin user.
Mike is popping. He's like a functional heroin user and he's he's not an addict. He's just a user but
he's obviously like you know not connected to the experience of people who in
the opioid crisis are on these drugs because you know, they're on the track to a death of despair and
And he's also sourcing his heroin, like, in a way that's safe because of his socioeconomic status.
And then he publishes a book that completely downplays the gravity of this crisis because he's not really a part of it, you know?
And he's also a libertine, like, amoral academic, so he doesn't have any morals.
Who's this guy?
I don't remember what his name was.
He was just some, like, professor, wrote a book that was basically about, like, how he thinks that harm reduction is the best solution to the opioid crisis, but also, like, you can use drugs, like, you can use narcotics safely If you don't have like pre existing mental conditions, which is he basically denied that.
That opiates have a pharmacological element of, like, addictiveness, which is obviously untrue.
ian crossland
Was it that doctor with the dreadlocks?
unidentified
Carl something?
mary morgan
I don't remember.
Yeah, I don't remember.
I never saw a picture of him.
I just heard about it.
ian crossland
This is why top-down governance doesn't work.
Why central planning doesn't work.
Because you lose touch with the people that you're not around.
You need to let them govern themselves from a distance.
You have to.
tim pool
That's a mix, man.
There's gotta be some plan for, like, national defense.
Like, the original idea of federalism, you know?
There's a federal government, but it's fairly weak, and the states mostly take care of their own business.
The problem is, as a culture, we're just too different.
I suppose if you go back to the foundings of this country, most people just wanted to be left alone, and that worked really well.
Like, if you're in, you know, a new state or whatever, you're like, look, I'm here, I'm doing my thing, leave me alone.
The problem now is you have authoritarian ideologues in places like California that want authority over Texas and New York.
Or, you know, New York and California basically agree on the same things.
So they want authority over Texas and Florida.
So Texas and Florida can sit there all day and night and be like, we hereby agree to be left alone and we'll leave you alone.
And California goes, you got it, buddy.
And then as soon as they turn around, they go, start screwing with them.
So I don't know if there's a classical liberal solution to the problem we're facing, right?
In times of war, Like, I'll put it this way.
Anarchist societies don't work, right?
We can talk about, I think, Catalonia, the famous anarchist attempt at a country.
I forgot what the story was.
But they try to create this anarchist enclave and it gets crushed instantly by barbaric outside forces.
If you've got a hundred, you know, guild members who vote on policy because that's an anarchist system, everybody comes together and they wiggle their fingers, and then next door you've got an authoritarian regime where one guy dictates everything, what do you think's gonna happen?
The one guy dictating everything is gonna say to his military, crush them.
And then, when the anarchist people see the barbarians heading towards the city, they go, we're under attack, quick, what do we do?
And they're like, well, we're anarchists, we don't believe in centralized planning, so let's hold a meeting and have a discussion on how we approach this attack.
And then, a day later, they're overrun and they're all dead.
You know, you could have some kind of mixed system where in times of emergency they elect an executor who can then take over and become a temporary emperor like we saw with, I think it was, Cincinnatus.
Was that his name?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He was like, right, he's like, I don't want to be an emperor.
And they're like, well, we're in an emergency and we need one now to act with executive, you know, emergency powers.
And then after like, what, like two weeks, he was like, I'm a farmer again.
I don't want to do this.
And it's like a, it's like an epic story.
But the issue is, In times of crisis and emergency, we fall into executive decision-making.
We don't just sit back and say, let's vote on it!
So, right now as we're dealing with a cult, ideological, authoritarian, and terroristic regime, there is no passive voting your way out of a conflict with these people.
They're firebombing buildings, they're sterilizing kids.
Vote, like, there's no peaceful, let's all come together and have a decision.
No, it's gonna be, for now, I think the solution is probably hard legislation and law enforcement.
No more, you know, we gotta be tolerant of the adult man thrusting his hips in front of that baby.
No, that's a crime, and that person should probably be arrested and charged, and it's about time we stop passively saying, we'll just let them do their thing, because it doesn't bother us.
Hey, look, we're here in Texas, and in Texas we have laws, but if California wants to do it, that's California's business.
That's federalism.
And that's what people are arguing for, and I'm kind of like, nah, maybe the federal government should be like, there's a standard, and you can't have adult sex shows for children, so we're gonna stop that.
But too many conservatives are telling me that civil war can't happen, the country would be crushed, China would take over, fair point, I agree.
And then they say federalism is the answer.
Let the states do what they want.
And I'm like, why?
So California can start having sex shows for kids?
Like, they've been doing that.
They're doing it in Texas.
I don't see a classical liberal solution to this.
There's going to have to be a centralized baseline morality that we all agree on.
And then we enforce the law.
ashley st clair
And we're seeing it in California now with the gender transition stuff, making that a safe haven for kids to go to California.
So if you can't get it in Texas, you can go over to California and get it done.
mary morgan
Just like abortion.
tim pool
Right.
So this idea of federalism just means that you're going to have states that do things that are Morally abhorrent.
But you're going to have two factions.
If you want to avoid civil war, the answer is have the laws be enforced at the federal level.
California cannot just let illegal immigrants come into the state and there's nothing done about it.
ian crossland
The problem is the selective enforcement, which is probably useful because like marijuana, schedule one narcotic.
Are you insane?
tim pool
It's a plan.
ian crossland
It's like a plant.
Like, don't OD on it, but they're obviously—William Randolph Hearst wanted to get that stuff made illegal in the late 20s, early 30s, to get his paper empires.
He owned all the trees.
He was tired of printing on hemp.
He wanted to print on his trees.
So he manipulated Harry Anslinger and Congress to make it a narcotic.
Federal 1 scheduled narcotic.
That's insane, and if the federal government goes into California to bust them up for selling weed, I do not agree with that overreach of federal law.
ashley st clair
Yeah, but that's something that's debatable.
These issues like drag queens thrusting in front of kids shouldn't be.
ian crossland
Now, I think it should be debated.
It has to be debated now because of it.
ashley st clair
I don't think there should be any debate.
I'm not willing to have a conversation or hear anyone side on why you think a man dressed as a woman who's wearing a thong and leather get-ups should be reading to our children.
tim pool
Reading?
We're well past that.
ashley st clair
Dancing, thrusting, pulsing, they're doing all of this.
tim pool
So we talked about Bill Maher the other day.
He's got that clip on CNN where he said the transgender activists have gone too far.
And there was a bit of context that I think we missed.
Because Jake Tapper says, yes, but what the trans activists would say is that now they're trying to ban all of this stuff regardless of what the kid or the doctor says.
And Bill Maher says, well, perhaps that backlash went too far.
Well, hold on there a minute, Bill.
Bill Maher actually said, the banning of child sex change surgery went too far.
When did Bill Maher start being in favor of children getting sex change operations?
He's, because he's defending it now, saying, no, no, no, that's too much, that's too much, we should allow that.
And I'm just like, within the span of a couple years, like literally two years, we went from, there are no child sex change surgeries, to, they are but they're rare, to, the backlash against it is going too far and it should be completely legal for all children.
ashley st clair
The pace is incredible in which this all became widely accepted.
tim pool
And it's because, I blame cops, but this is probably part of the weakening of institutions, defund the police.
Now you have in Texas, the famous story was they were doing the adult sex show for children, where it said like it's not going to lick itself and all that.
And then the cops were like, well, you know, I can't get involved in this kind of stuff.
And it's just like, are you kidding me?
There are adult men with fake sex organs dancing for children with a big sign that says it's not going to lick itself.
And you're just going to stand there.
ashley st clair
Well, you know, they, it's, But they shut down that woman in Texas for operating her salon during COVID.
tim pool
Yep.
That's why I've been like, abolish the police.
Look at all the major news that's been coming out for the past several years.
There was a woman who opened a cafe in Minnesota, and it was against the COVID rules, so they hunted her down and arrested her.
Yet you can have adult men with fake genitals thrusting in front of children
with a big neon sign saying it's not gonna lick itself and the cops are like,
well, no, you know, we can't get involved in this.
And people are like, back the blue baby.
I'm like, okay, sure, I guess.
mary morgan
People have actual pride in this country and like its founding principles
have less and less incentive to become cops and also military service members.
So like more and more, it's just going to be corrupt power hungry people
in the police force anyway.
But aside from that, like, are we not gonna recognize the relationship between like
accepting adult sex change surgeries, that starting us on the path
to accepting the child sex change surgeries?
Like that's where it starts.
tim pool
Well, the interesting thing about that that I've been talking about is,
It's the one DSM-5 disorder where we decide to affirm, right?
If you're body dysmorphic and you want to remove a hand, we say no.
If you're anorexic, we say no.
If you're morbidly obese, well, we're starting to say yes to that.
I don't say we, but body positivity.
If you are cutting, we say no.
If you have pica, where you're like eating pennies, we say no.
But...
If you want to remove your junk, we say okay.
And I have to wonder if it's because there are people who are thinking about, like, well, you know, they want to have kids, so that works out.
Like, that's their mentality.
But I just don't... I'm genuinely asking why it is that for all of the dysmorphic disorders and all of the general DSM-5 disorders, the one we affirm is the one that sterilizes people.
You know, like, when someone's anorexic, we don't say, go to the doctor and get your Ozempic and your pills.
We say, you better start eating.
The doctor says, start eating.
ashley st clair
The top two issues for the Democrats right now are abortion and the transgender-affirming care.
tim pool
Why do we affirm this one?
You know, like, I was talking about this the other day.
I tweeted it.
When someone, they say like, oh, but if we don't give them the care, they're at high risk for suicide.
And I was like, oh yeah, that's called a 5150.
If someone is presenting signs of self-harm, they get involuntarily committed so they can receive treatment to stop them from wanting to harm themselves.
We try to save them from this.
If somebody is standing on a bridge About to climb over the railing, people run up and grab them and pull them up.
They don't say, well, I better affirm their decision, why don't you?
But they're starting to with medical assistance and dying.
mary morgan
Well, there's an increasing push to, yeah, to accept assisted suicide and euthanasia.
Suicide blues were a joke then.
And also, like, I see people talking about accepting mental illnesses as well, like, as just a fact of your life that is not circumstantial.
You know, if you're depressed and you, you know, don't want to get out of bed or brush your teeth, then, you know, that's a disability and you should get government money for it, basically.
Like, that's a condition you were born with.
tim pool
Did you see that viral TikTok where the, I think it's a woman, she's like, why do I have to work full-time just to live?
And it's like, seriously, that's their attitude.
I'm like, entropy, I guess?
Oxidization?
Your body falls apart unless you do?
mary morgan
It's like, That's because office job work, like normal corporate America work, is kind of soul-sucking, so I get why she said it.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, if, you know, I was about to enter the gates of eternity, and they said there's one where you're sitting in an office all day and one where you have to hunt and forage for survival, I'd go with the hunting and foraging.
mary morgan
Exactly, yeah.
tim pool
That's, that's for me!
ian crossland
Have you ever hunted?
unidentified
It's, I don't know, that's a lot of... Well, I wouldn't, nothing like... You never know if... Yeah, it's...
ian crossland
You don't know if you're going to eat.
You don't know if you're going to find food.
tim pool
Right, what I'm saying is like, if I had to choose a life between farming, how about that, and office work, I'd choose farming.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
Oh man, we've all seen office space.
The office work is pretty good.
tim pool
Like, it's a fair point.
These people are going into jobs and they're just like, I sit here staring and doing nothing, but this remedial garbage is boring.
mary morgan
They're also overqualified, and like, knowing too much is torturous.
When, like, you're not really put to use in society, you're given this, like, meaningless email job that you know is useless and isn't a building block to anything important.
Of course people are going to end up depressed and they're going to wonder, like, why am I even working anymore?
tim pool
But they won't exercise!
ian crossland
The Federal Reserve really wants people to work.
This jobs economy where they're like, we need jobs, jobs, jobs.
You dig the hole.
Now you fill the hole back up.
We're going to pay you both with our funny money and you owe us interest on the money we gave you.
Now go.
And that's what they want.
They have people doing menial, almost sometimes even useless, literally.
Fill it up.
unidentified
Dig it.
ian crossland
Fill it up.
Dig it.
Fill it up.
As long as to keep people are busy.
tim pool
I love this leftist meme where they're like, did you know that in medieval times people didn't work?
And they had, you know, what did they say?
Like 50 days?
mary morgan
It was a communist utopia.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They say that the medieval peasants had like 50 days of vacation and only worked like four hours a day and stuff like that.
mary morgan
By the way, because they were religious, they observed religious holidays.
It's not vacation.
tim pool
But it's not just that.
It's like, you know, I loved telling the story of my Occupy friend who went to work on a farm to reduce their carbon footprint.
They lasted two weeks.
And they said it was because they were working sunup to sundown.
It's like you wake up, you work, then you work until it's dark and you go to bed.
ashley st clair
And it's like what happened with Chaz.
They were like, this is too much work to have an autonomous zone.
tim pool
Or with Occupy, their inability to govern.
So with Occupy Wall Street, they tried doing the Anarchist General Council or whatever, but when it didn't work, they were like, okay, we can't figure out how to find unanimity.
ian crossland
Unanimity?
tim pool
Unanimity?
ian crossland
Yeah, something like that.
tim pool
But it is unanimous.
In order for there to be a functioning anarchist society, everyone has to agree with minimal dissent.
That meant when they were trying to make a decision, you could have one or two dissenters, but it had to be like 95% of people in agreement.
ian crossland
And when one bad idea got into that group, it spread like fire, or had the potential to, and then all of a sudden you get 98% of the people are like, bad idea now. And but what ended up happening was, you had
tim pool
a handful of people who knew for a fact if we don't get bins
to store clothing, they're getting there. It's right. It's
getting soggy wet. It's growing mildew. It's getting filthy and our
food is spoiling. We need bins to seal this stuff from the rain.
And they couldn't get it done. Because every time they would
say we want to use funds to buy bins, they'd be like, no, plastics are bad for the environment. No, it's got to be
recycled. It's got to be fair trade. It's got to come from a
mom and pop shop. And so they finally agreed, okay, you can get the bins so long as they're fair trade recycled, not
from a box store.
And they couldn't find that.
It was impossible.
So what did they do?
They just went and bought from Walmart or whatever, whatever they could find.
And then just didn't tell anybody.
Because the anarchist system just literally didn't work.
You couldn't find it.
And so when it came to that system being broken, a bunch of these facilitators were like, how about we create a new system called the Spokes Council?
Well, the problem was, it was a general assembly.
Nobody would agree.
They were like, no, you are not changing the system because you can't get what you want.
So then one day there was a funniest thing ever.
They all say all in favor of the new spokes council system.
And like two thirds of the people clap.
And then the third are like blocking and saying no.
And the guy goes, let me count.
Yeah, we passed, it worked!
And then it was just like, no it didn't, you're just saying that, and people went along with it.
Because like, what are you supposed to do?
The guy talking said it happened, it happened.
ian crossland
The last night I was at Occupy at that, with the council, we were working on, they wanted to build a decentralized Craigslist kind of thing, where you could send items to people that need it, like protesters, and that was the idea.
Maybe a technological solution is the way to develop anarchy.
I don't know whatever happened to it, though.
ashley st clair
A decentralized Craigslist.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
I guess Craigslist itself is not technically decentralized on a bunch of servers, but the idea is you work with the seller, you don't have to go through a central portal, so it's a bit redundant.
ashley st clair
It's like Craigslist for philanthropic causes?
ian crossland
Yeah, it was supposed to be.
mary morgan
By the way, the rants and raves section on Craigslist is top tier.
Better than Twitter.
tim pool
Yeah?
ashley st clair
I love it.
tim pool
Maybe we should make a show based on that.
mary morgan
Craigslist?
tim pool
Just reading Craigslist rants and finding good ones.
ashley st clair
You ever read, like, the Missed Connections?
tim pool
Yeah.
Me and my friends used to make fake ones.
ian crossland
Saw you at the studio, but you were deep in the computer.
tim pool
We had one where it was like, I see you all the time.
I saw you at work.
I don't think you noticed me.
And then, like, it increasingly got darker and darker, where it was like, I remember seeing you walk home.
You were so beautiful.
I don't know if you've noticed me, but I want to give you my number.
I was, you know, standing outside your house.
I looked through your window.
Things like that.
Just really funny.
But actually, it sounds like a really good idea.
We should write that down.
Like, commenting on Craigslist rants.
mary morgan
You're actually writing it down?
tim pool
Yeah.
Let's jump to this story.
This one's a good one.
So we have this, uh, fact check from WTHR.
Viral video of Biden saying he's reinstating the draft is a deepfake.
In the video, President Joe Biden appears to say he's reinstating the draft so the U.S.
can help defend Ukraine against Russian forces.
The video is a deepfake.
I love that this was fact-checked because it was made by Turning Point.
It was on Jack Posobiec's show.
And he outright says that it's not a real, he explains, we're showing you of what is to come, and it's meant to be provocative, and then the media's like, uh-oh, people might think this is real.
All right, well, here's why I think this is worth talking about.
Election season's coming up.
We are going to see deepfakes, and they are going to improve at the speed of maximum economic investment.
ashley st clair
And they're gonna be hilarious.
tim pool
Yeah, but some of them are gonna be scary.
But yeah, hilarious too.
Like the one of Joe Biden and Trump playing Overwatch was one of the funniest.
ian crossland
They keep making them.
There's one with Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson, and then Elon comes in and he's like, you sons of bitches, I can't fight the boss.
tim pool
The Overwatch one was just too good.
No, but the Overwatch one was good.
He was like, Jesus Christ, I come in here trying to get a quick cue and it's Bidenator and it's Trump saying it.
But no, what I think we're gonna see is, how much money do they invest in presidential elections?
It's got to be what, billions?
Billions.
I think Obama was a billion.
So now, imagine how much money is going to be on both sides for an election, especially with how crazy things are getting in this country.
And they are going to be investing, people are going to invest tens of millions into advancing deepfake technology.
I guarantee it right now.
Some political person, I don't care what political party, saw this and they said, if we can make this impeccable, we will never lose another election again.
And so they're meeting right now with deepfake companies saying, and I bet a lot of it is totally like seemingly on the level.
Some guy who's got nefarious intentions goes to an AI company and says, hey, I want to invest, you know, a billion dollars into the development of the technology.
And they go, wow, that's really great.
Thank you for the funding.
And what they intend to do with it is make realistic videos that are indistinguishable.
And so my fear is Not that you'll see a video go viral of Joe Biden reinstating the draft.
Why?
Well, people are going to be like, get out of here.
He never did.
That's a deepfake.
But what they'll do is, you'll have a real video of Donald Trump saying, we should condemn them totally, referring to white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and what they'll do is they'll make an impeccable deepfake replica where he should say, and some of them should be condemned totally!
A very minor difference, but a drastic change in the context.
ian crossland
And then you run it on CNN, and then if they get caught, they're just like, we didn't know.
tim pool
And it's not even that.
They're going to say, that's the video.
And then Trump's going to sue and say, that is not what was said.
Here's the actual report.
And you're going to say, look, there's 12 different videos, all seemingly of the exact same thing.
We don't know which one's the real one.
Because everybody knows Trump gave the speech.
Everybody knows Trump says something about condemning Nazis.
But the only difference is they should be and some of them should be.
ian crossland
It's like a weapon.
It's like a strike first kind of thing.
Like the ethics of striking first is You know, beyond me, I don't like them.
tim pool
What's going to happen is, Democrats will share the video of Trump going, and I'm not talking about the white nationalists because some of them should be condemned totally, and they're going to go, he said some of them!
Like, he's implying there may be some good ones there, and they're all going to share it, and it's going to infect that bubble, and then you're going to get the right being like, no, no, he said they should be, he's talking about all of them, and there's going to be two different versions of one news event existing for both different political factions.
ashley st clair
So it's going to be no different than it is now.
tim pool
I mean, that's very different.
unidentified
They're listening to the same thing.
tim pool
Yes, but you can still... So I was at a family holiday event, and I was talking about how China was potentially getting access to the DNA from COVID tests.
And, you know, one individual was like, what, get out of here, that's BS, that's not true, you can't say that.
And then I just pulled up my phone, pulled up NPR, reporting it, and I handed it to them and they read it and they went, oh wow, I didn't know that.
And I'm like, you're sitting here thinking I'm wrong about this, I was just citing NPR of all sources.
What happens when they go, no, and they pull up a video and they show you the video, and you go, that's not a real video, they'll say, you're a conspiracy theorist and you're lying, I have the video.
ashley st clair
So what's the best way to authenticate those, though?
tim pool
Impossible.
ian crossland
Defakes?
We were talking about that today in one of our development meetings.
I don't know.
I think it's going to have to be either the person verifies the video themselves, and if it's a video of you that you don't verify, then there's no verification.
ashley st clair
I think it's going to be a lot easier to verify the real ones rather than sniffing out all the fake ones.
ian crossland
But then people like Project Veritas will try and catch someone, and they'll be like, no, that wasn't a real video.
So you've got to be like, at some point, The other idea is to build like a headset or some sort of tech that you can use that can see that it's a deepfake somehow, that can tell if it's AI.
tim pool
You gotta understand the full sphere of what this means.
A video will come out of, say, a guy at Pfizer saying something ridiculous like, we're mutating the virus, or you know, who knows what.
And then what'll happen is, a Veritas-like organization will say, here's a video of the guy saying they're mutating the virus.
What they'll then do is they will make, using that video, another deepfake and say, ah, yes, but here's the part they cut out.
And then all of a sudden you'll see another video where the guy goes, could you imagine if like someone from these companies had something as crazy as we're mutating these viruses so that we can make more money?
That would be insane.
And then everyone will go, oh, Veritas cut the context out.
He was talking about how crazy it would have been if someone did say, he didn't actually say it.
Wow, that proves Veritas is lying.
You see the point?
ashley st clair
I could see that in other cases.
In a case like Veritas, they, I mean, they have all the footage.
tim pool
Yeah, but how do you prove a negative?
If an organization, to defend itself, deepfakes your video, you can't prove the video doesn't exist.
You can only prove a video does exist.
So you'll get a video of Trump saying something like, you know, we're going to build a big beautiful wall, and then the left will, you'll get a combination of offensive and defensive deepfakes.
The left will make a video where Trump is, like, saying something somewhat offensive to add context, making it seem like he's racist.
And then to defend against it, the Republicans will add another bit where Trump is saying, can you believe what so-and-so said?
He said this.
And they'll just keep trying to change the context with deepfakes.
Think about what happens if you get filmed and someone leaks audio of you saying something offensive.
You can say, hey, that's out of context.
I wasn't actually saying- Probably wasn't.
So if Ian came on the show and said, I don't like buttered popcorn, and that clip went viral, people would be like, wow, he doesn't like buttered popcorn.
If Ian said, no, no, no, that's bad, he would just make a deep fake of him saying, I would never say something like, I don't like buttered popcorn.
And that inverts the context.
And that's what you can do with deepfakes too.
It's gonna be wild, man.
A billion dollars per campaign plus?
And how much of that money can get invested in making stuff like this?
Remember the meme wars in 2015-16?
Ramp it up, baby, because you're going to get a combination of, you're going to get subliminal, liminal, and superliminal deepfakes.
Superliminal deepfakes are going to be someone being like, and here's a new meme of Joe Biden singing the chicken song.
And it'll just be Joe Biden, it'll be silly.
Then you'll get stuff that are liminal, I'm doing air quotes, a Simpsons joke, that are more like what Jack Posobiec did, where it's some people might get confused by it, but he says what he's doing.
And then the subliminal is when they just leak stuff and then don't say anything about it, and people fall for it.
ashley st clair
They should do one of Fetterman.
tim pool
Exactly.
I mean, but it would just be dead air.
ashley st clair
Yeah, how would you know if they released a deep fake of Fetterman right now saying,
look, here's your proof of life?
tim pool
Exactly.
And then what happens when, get this, John Hodgkinson runs for Senate and everyone sees
videos of him staying at the podium cheering.
Everybody sees interviews with him talking about his policies.
And there is no John Hodgkinson.
It's an AI deepfake character that appears in the media, that appears on YouTube, that does this campaigning.
And you'll see people on YouTube in their cheering form.
He'll have commercials where he says, vote for me, because I believe in making America great again.
And then everyone's like, I'm going to vote for this guy.
And he's not real.
ian crossland
I think you made a good point that if Fetterman had a deepfake, because when they deepfake Biden, it's obvious it's a deepfake a lot of times because you can't hear the imperfections, like you can't hear the degraded quality in his brain.
unidentified
And a lot of times when people- It's too perfect.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
And when people are singing with songs, if the machine builds it, you can kind of tell.
It's like robotically perfect.
And so there's this imperfective quality to human behavior that possibly cannot be captured by a computer.
unidentified
If we could somehow perceive that, In certain contexts, I at least agree with that, yeah.
ashley st clair
I think it will be, though, and that's what's scary, is I feel like the technology is evolving a lot quicker than we are.
I feel like we're pretty dumb compared to what we've created.
And that's where a lot of this chaos is coming from, because we are not equipped or evolved to live in the world we created.
tim pool
Those videos of, like, Gen Zers being like, why do I have to have a job?
They are going to be the first in line to go into the pod.
They're gonna say, you know, you're right about this.
You shouldn't have to.
Step into pod where we will hook feeding tubes right into your gullet and then put the VR helmet on and you'll live in digital world where you can be whatever you identify as.
mary morgan
I thought you meant the suicide booth.
ashley st clair
all that too. They created that mentality by making it so miserable to live and survive for
these kids. I mean, I do, Gen Z gets a bad rap for being so nonchalant about it, but wouldn't you?
You're never going to own anything. Most of them are not going to own houses or cars or anything.
So I don't really blame them.
mary morgan
They've been lied to about most things and especially like the gender stuff like think about being a they-them on hormones working at Starbucks and there are like 20 mobile orders like I wouldn't and then you have like social anxiety disorder and stuff and like.
ashley st clair
They all have disorders.
mary morgan
I mean it's just like it's not an enviable position.
ian crossland
Boring, I agree with that, but like, you talk about people coming back from the jungle after losing a leg, like, I don't see combat vets complaining and bitching about how hard life is.
tim pool
Adrian Curry says, send them to Ukraine.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
That's the thing all the tick tockers to Ukraine any any any one of these people who wants to wave Ukrainian flag
and complain About what's going on? I say we send them right over
ian crossland
You know like it's it's hard I do agree that it life has become treacherously dull for
people especially being lied to about the military-industrial Complex and then realizing you're part of the Empire is
mary morgan
like what the I mean the reason they wouldn't go to Ukraine is because they're like
languishing the fact that they know that they're useless I'm a minimalist.
Like that's that's they know that they that they would instantly die in a combat situation and that's like demoralizing even worse.
ashley st clair
Not Adam Kinzinger.
tim pool
How much you want to bet, Winzinger, that story of you will live in the pod, you will eat the bugs, you will own nothing, and you will be happy?
They're probably going please it can't come soon enough.
ashley st clair
They are.
They are.
I will tell you, Gen Z has that attitude.
You know, I see a lot of the dialogue, especially when they're talking about, you know, if there was an apocalypse, they're saying, wow, you guys' will to live is incredible.
I'd just let, I'd let it all happen.
So I think these kids are severely depressed.
I think they don't really have much purpose because we've hyper fixated on individualism and this narcissistic society.
So these kids are just focusing on only themselves.
And they have a meaningless life because they have no other purpose except themselves.
So once we took away that community... Not even themselves.
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, the future's sounding pretty good, huh?
ian crossland
I imagine kids are like the ultimate purpose.
Because I've been gaming a lot and just keep thinking, like, what is the freaking purpose of life?
I keep rinsing and repeating the same thing.
There's no goal.
There's no, like, quest to finish.
There's no experience gained.
I don't get the ding when I do the thing.
It's just nonstop.
mary morgan
It's the indomitable human spirit and, like, the drive to produce the next generation.
ian crossland
To do what though?
Eat more candy bars and watch more TV?
Go to space!
That's what I'm going through and I think having children is a big part.
I haven't done it yet.
unidentified
Go to space!
ashley st clair
Go to Mars.
ian crossland
I'd go to Mars for you.
Maybe it's different for everybody.
Explorations for some people.
tim pool
See, my dreams for the future cannot be accomplished in a single lifetime.
You know, I am not driven by having a fancy car or an infinity pool.
I'm driven at the thought of a spaceship traveling the galaxy with a bunch of people on it being like, you know, we're 17 light years away, sir.
Engage warp.
mary morgan
What are you going to find up there?
tim pool
It's just blackness.
unidentified
You know, maybe People get bored of that, too.
ian crossland
I've tripped my balls off and seen the craziest stuff, and experienced the most bending reality, and it's still just like, now what?
Even while I'm tripping, I'm like, okay, the bug is dancing on my arm.
All things will die, and I'm crying.
mary morgan
Relationships are the only thing that really matter.
ashley st clair
That doesn't sound like a good time, Ian.
unidentified
Traveling to space doesn't matter.
tim pool
Nothing, nothing technically matters, but for me it's all about negative entropy.
mary morgan
Things matter.
ian crossland
Just watch helping other people.
tim pool
What matters is creating more organization, is organizing free energy into complex systems.
That's it.
ian crossland
I feel really good whenever I feed Bucko and he's happy.
Like the cat that I've been taking care of.
ashley st clair
Tim, would you go to Mars if Elon told you you can get on a spaceship right now and go?
tim pool
No.
ashley st clair
You wouldn't?
tim pool
Nope.
ashley st clair
But you just said you wanted to go on a spaceship.
tim pool
I didn't say I wanted to go on a spaceship, I said I want humans to go on spaceships.
mary morgan
It's cringey when they shoot themselves up into space and then just come back down like you didn't really do anything.
Just sat there.
unidentified
Mars right now is a... Whenever you're looking at spaceships getting shut up and you're like, ugh, that's cringey.
tim pool
It's a one-way trip.
If you go to Mars, you're staying on Mars for the rest of your life.
unidentified
I would go.
ian crossland
Would you go orbit Mars?
And then come back?
tim pool
Humans don't understand how much of their life is nothing but humans.
It's like, you've got to remind them.
Go out into the middle of nowhere and see how much anything matters.
You'll care about your survival, but you will start begging for humans.
ashley st clair
Well, that's that's why people are so sad.
We took away that community and people think that they have it in social media.
But really, we've been so divided and our neighbors have been demonized and everyone's your neighbor is going to kill you if they take off the mask.
It's just very we lost that community a long time ago.
tim pool
This is why solitary confinement is torture.
ashley st clair
Yeah.
ian crossland
I've noticed that with my friends, air quotes on the Internet.
I have eighteen hundred friends on Facebook.
How many friends do I actually have in life?
Thirteen?
ashley st clair
It's a false sense of community that we get on social media.
tim pool
Yeah, family is like the major component.
I think when you get older, you care a lot less about... When you're in school and you have a peer group, you're forced to be around them.
You are told by the system, like, here you're doing this thing, it's either school or work, and so you have friends because of this confined space.
But when humans are set off to be on their own, they focus on family, which is moving down instead of, you know, your peer group is to your left and right, your family is the generation below you.
You'll care a lot more about that and you'll strive for a lot more for that than you would just friends.
As you get older, family is the human component that people need.
It's not just that, but it's her implication that having children is humiliating.
If you had a kid, you would.
And that's why it's crazy.
You get that Chelsea Handler video where she's like, I don't have kids, so I get to wake up,
do drugs and masturbate.
And I was like, that sounds like what a 16 year old would say, lady.
mary morgan
It's not just that, but it's her implication that having children is humiliating.
tim pool
Yeah, so weird.
mary morgan
Yeah, and that like living for pleasure is the only way that a woman can like reach her potential.
I mean, I'm sure you, Ashley, having become a mother, understand that it's very demeaning when that message is constantly pushed.
ashley st clair
Oh, absolutely.
That's, you know, you're free.
That's the best way you can live is not having children.
My kid is the best thing that ever happened to me.
But I also understand that it's getting tougher to have families.
You don't have that village anymore to help raise kids.
tim pool
Yeah, it takes a village.
ashley st clair
And so a lot of these things, too, seem so silly that are in the news and stuff because you have people who can't raise families the way that we're supposed to.
It's not ideal circumstances to have families, and I'm fortunate enough that I can provide, but a lot of people can't.
And I understand that.
They don't have that village, they don't have the community, they don't have the economic resources.
So it's kind of twofold, where you want to promote family values and tell everyone to have families, and that's your purpose, but it's also very hard for people to do that now.
mary morgan
There are a bunch of people trying to take a kid away from you as well.
ashley st clair
I see both sides.
Yeah, exactly!
You send them off to school.
son to school and you come back with a daughter.
mary morgan
It's daycare, it's school, it's gender transition programs.
ian crossland
That word care.
I don't like that word care, man.
Like, what's caring about?
Daycare?
Like, are they really being cared for?
They just call it care.
unidentified
Gender-affirming care.
mary morgan
Neglect and the abuse in those places is mind-blowing.
Yeah, and also elder abuse is getting worse.
The most vulnerable people in our society are being abused.
ashley st clair
Because we don't take care of our community.
mary morgan
Yeah, exactly.
ashley st clair
Have you been able to find the tribe or Yeah, and I'm fortunate enough to have a good support system, but I think that's where conservatives kind of fall short is that, you know, you push these family values, but they're not really pushing any legislation or policies or changes to make it easier to have families and for families to survive.
So I do think that Republicans tend to play on the defense instead of offense, and they're not making pro-family policies.
They're not making it easier for people to find that purpose.
ian crossland
I found with all the cool people I'm meeting doing this show that I haven't really made any friends out of it.
Like, Jack Posobiec.
I love you, Jack.
tim pool
I like Jack.
ashley st clair
I love Jack.
ian crossland
He's cool.
He's like, if me and him hung out, we'd be friends.
But I don't see him.
And I'm realizing the community part of it is missing for me.
That's what I haven't been doing lately.
It's like, I barely talk to you, dude.
tim pool
This is your fault.
Everybody comes here and they're like, I hung out at Tim Cass' castle for like three days.
I never saw Ian once.
And like, we're all downstairs.
We had a Superbowl party, bro.
ashley st clair
A lot just said he didn't see you for three days.
ian crossland
Yeah, a lot.
unidentified
I love you.
tim pool
We had a Superbowl party.
ian crossland
You're so elusive, Ian.
unidentified
We miss you.
ian crossland
I started making internet videos in 2006 and I was like, I can be friends with everybody.
I'm going to do what Jesus would have done if he had this tech.
And then I got burnt out.
I was like, I can't.
I started to become friends with people that were depressed and then I would start to get depressed.
And I was like, I can't be around other people because they're freaking me out.
unidentified
Because you use the tech, right?
mary morgan
Is that not why?
ian crossland
It was part of it.
I was meeting people from all over Earth, random people that I had nothing in common with, that I was taking in their behaviors and idiosyncrasies and values and things before I even knew who they were.
And I would get, like, demons.
I mean, the darkness in humanity would start to seep into me.
ashley st clair
Is this drug-induced?
ian crossland
Lots of weed.
That's probably part of it, too, is I couldn't control myself, my emotions, because I was so open from my neurons all going at once.
tim pool
Here's what we're going to do.
Here's what we're going to do, Ian.
We're launching that show, Poker with the Boys, right?
And it's meant to just be like a boys' show hangout.
There'll be girls there, too.
It's not just boys.
But like the general idea is to hang out with your friends style podcast where people are smack talking, ribbing on each other, probably talk whatever is in current news, but it won't be a news show like this.
And you just got to come to it.
ian crossland
Another problem of having maybe people identify with this is I don't like small talk.
I'd just rather be silent and sit in silence with someone, which is very awkward.
mary morgan
It depends what you mean by small talk.
I think like small talk is part of recognizing the dignity of the person in front of you.
You know, niceties are also kindness, making them feel welcome, hospitality.
I feel like people who say I hate small talk are actually not you, Ian, but they are the people who call themselves sapiosexuals and stuff.
Like, you're not as deep as you think.
Like, small talk is deep.
Like, you're recognizing the person across from you.
tim pool
Elevate the conversation, if that's your issue, Ian.
If someone's like, so, what did you do yesterday?
And you're like, I had lentil soup.
And they're like, oh yeah, how was that?
Go, let's talk about philosophy and quantum physics.
Have you ever read about string theory?
ian crossland
Just, it's your choice.
I do that.
It's somewhat odd, but when people... It'd be hilarious.
tim pool
I think it'd be funny.
ian crossland
I'll try it.
I'll try it.
mary morgan
Ian, like, everyone says this, but you, like, talking to you is...
an intense experience because like no one pays that close attention to me like
Anyone talking to you just feels like whoa You're like actually looking me in the eye and listening to
what I'm saying and responding accordingly Like that's that's a rare experience in human conversation
ian crossland
and it's a good thing. Do you think it's becoming more common?
tim pool
No I think people are disassociating from each other.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
And they're spending more time in virtual spaces and virtual reality and video games and things like that.
They're not having kids.
I gotta tell you, there's professional athletes and musicians that I'm a huge fan of and I'm like, they got no kids.
But look, look, I'm going to be 37 in a week.
I don't got any kids either.
That's kind of crazy to me.
And so, you know, private business, but there is an intention for me to have a family.
But there are a lot of people I see who are now in their 50s that I grew up watching and looking up to, to a certain degree, have no families at all.
And I'm like, that's it.
That's the end of their genetic influence.
Their legacy ends with them.
Now there are a lot of people who have kids, don't get me wrong, a lot of people have kids, but there are just some rock stars and pro athletes and I'm just like, man, they just didn't have any families.
That kind of bums me out because it means like the life lessons and the genetics, the combination of these things that made them who they were, such great people that had a tremendous positive impact on the world, Gone.
With them gone.
And I'm not saying their kids are gonna grow up to become famous or anything.
They might, you know, be, you know, dickheads or something.
ashley st clair
And that why is what I'm interested in.
Why do we have so many people making choices that really are against our biological nature?
Most people, given the ideal circumstances, I think, would have children and families.
ian crossland
So why are there so many people My original thought was, I got really red-pilled in 06, 07, and I felt pretty alone.
But I was like, OK, I'm going to have to make a self-sacrifice.
I'm going to have to let my body be destroyed in order to speak up against the military-industrial complex.
They're not going to have it.
Jesus got killed for it.
I'll probably get killed for it.
That was my roll in the dice.
I'm like, I don't have kids because I don't want to leave them fatherless.
And that was kind of set me on the last 15 years.
But I'm the same.
I don't want to leave him fatherless, but I'm not going to stop talking.
We refuse to back down.
And maybe I don't know.
mary morgan
You know, when people say, like, I don't want to bring a kid into this world, like the world is just such a scary place and it's only getting worse.
Like, how could I subject someone to grow up in a world like this?
And like, yeah, there are unique factors to like why living today is different, maybe worse in a lot of ways, but I think people are just afraid of being the person with the biggest impact on an impressionable person.
They're afraid of passing down their own mediocrity.
ashley st clair
I think it's also just a really scary world to raise a kid in.
We're fighting to not have men pole dancing in front of children.
tim pool
Sure, sure, but we had a Cold War with, like, nuclear weapons in Cuba.
mary morgan
This has always been a harsh world.
ashley st clair
It was harsh in a different way.
I mean, they are really trying to take our children from us.
I mean, they are stealing the innocence of our children.
mary morgan
Same thing with the Vietnam War.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, communism was spreading like crazy.
Ugly things.
We've talked about that Whatever podcast quite a bit.
They have these clips going viral.
ashley st clair
I love that guy.
What's his name?
Chase?
tim pool
Chase was the second guy.
ashley st clair
Based.
tim pool
Yeah, that video where he's like, you know, I don't want to bang a dude or whatever.
But there's one where there's a woman saying she doesn't like talking stages.
I saw that one too. She's referring to like the wait three days before calling kind of thing?
unidentified
Is that what she's talking about? So, you know, a lot of people were giving her grief because she
ashley st clair
wasn't very articulate. But I think what she was saying was actually kind of, she's upset that
Gen Z really doesn't have traditional dating periods. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's,
You're just kind of hooking up.
mary morgan
There's no definition to anything.
ashley st clair
So in a way, she really was yearning for that, hey, maybe you should go back to traditional dating.
She wasn't able to articulate it well.
mary morgan
Maybe it took her 60 full seconds to articulate that one sentence.
And by the way, it must be kind of a purgatory to have that stunted level of English, you know?
Yeah, I did understand her point.
ashley st clair
I think it's also hard for her and like other Gen Z people to say like, hey, people are only hooking up with me now.
Nobody actually wants to date anymore.
mary morgan
And she genuinely doesn't understand why people are giving her bad faith advice.
tim pool
I'm gonna play this video.
I don't think the audience will be served at all by hearing this, but I'll play it for you anyway.
unidentified
I think the biggest thing that, like, annoys me in, like, the whole dating world is, like, fucking talking stages.
mary morgan
Like, that shit's so annoying.
unidentified
Like, the whole, like... And just, like, the inconsistency in them.
ashley st clair
Like, I literally, like, hate that, like, so much.
unidentified
But I think that's, like, my biggest thing, is just, like... What- what specifically?
Just, like, the fact of just, like, you, like...
ashley st clair
I don't know how to word this.
unidentified
She knows she doesn't know how to word it.
tim pool
I can't do it.
I can't listen anymore.
ian crossland
I shut it up the first time I tried to, but I've since listened to it.
mary morgan
They say she's speaking hot girl language.
ian crossland
So is she saying that in the early days when you're texting back and forth for like, and then it turns into a week of texting and then two weeks?
ashley st clair
So then she goes on to say like, no one wants to commit or be in a traditional like dating.
mary morgan
It's these weird talking stages and they're talking stages mean like the hookup phase and you're seeing someone But she's also talking about 21-year-old dudes who go to college in California.
tim pool
Here's what James Lindsay said.
Here's what James Lindsay said.
She's crying for help because of the damage online dating and hookup culture have wrought,
speaking vaguely and badly about her tacit knowledge of a miserable—you want to pull
that up?
Speaking—let me start over.
She's crying for help because of the damage online dating and hookup culture have wrought.
Speaking vaguely and badly about her tacit knowledge of a miserable circumstance without the vocabulary to articulate it.
This is sad.
What I got, you can see, even I retweeted it too.
James Lynn's a smart fella.
What I got from it is she's basically like she wants a real relationship with somebody.
And that doesn't exist.
And it's feminism's fault.
Because basically the sexual liberation thing told men there's nothing you have to do anymore.
There's no responsibility.
There's no resources.
There's no hard work.
Ladies just gonna give it up.
So what you end up with?
A bunch of little boys.
Who sit around playing video games all day and don't have to provide anything.
Women who don't want families, so the guy doesn't have to provide anything, and there's no strings attached in hooking up, and now you have women.
And I'm not saying every woman, I'm not saying most women, at least in this case one woman who is like, this sucks.
ashley st clair
But it's not just I feel like this is a majority of the Gen Z girls and the whatever they're calling that other generation.
They really fell prey to this hookup culture.
And I think a lot of them and you see it here in her even though she's not saying it well, they're understanding that it's not making them happy.
And that's why I feel if we had someone that wasn't... You know, Andrew Tate's great, right?
The way he articulates this to young men.
unidentified
Hopefully he's innocent, but... He's not being innocent, he's not been charged with any crimes.
ashley st clair
He doesn't speak for young men.
unidentified
Well, you know, you want to preface it, but you know, he does say these good things, but we need... Andrew Tate has not been charged with any crimes.
ashley st clair
Yes.
tim pool
So it's like, what, he's not even, he's not even, there's nothing to be innocent of.
ashley st clair
They just locked him up.
That's my little disclaimer.
But I like what he has to say, but I think there needs to be a version of that that is palatable for women.
That's saying the same thing, but palatable for women because they feel the same way, but the way that it's put for them is just awful.
mary morgan
I don't know.
The only way to beat it is to not participate in it.
The only way to get rid of hookup culture is to just stop hooking up with people.
And I'm sorry, but most of the girls on this podcast, whatever, are hooking up with people.
They're making the problem worse, and they're not willing to take accountability.
I think that's why a lot of People are like angry when they see this clip because they're like, I mean, I don't know this about this girl individually, but like the archetype, you know, she's contributing to her own problem.
And also Andrew Tate is a participant in hookup culture.
So it doesn't really resonate when I hear him talking about the negative effects.
tim pool
He's not like... People say he's kind of like... What do they call him?
Kickbox... Mai Tai Jordan Peterson?
Well, yeah, but isn't Jordan Peterson more traditionalist and like, clean your room, have a family?
Andrew Tate is like, get all the ladies, you know?
I guess technically... Well, technically...
Andrew Tate is more traditional than Jordan Peterson because Tate brings it back to a, you know, carnal, more primitive state.
ian crossland
Well, Peterson says, don't lie.
And Andrew Tate says, I lied for money.
I had women pretending to be talking to guys while I had dudes doing the typing.
We made tons of money.
We ran the game.
Like, he's just a liar and proud about it.
So they are not on the same level in any way.
I agree with you that being alone is less worse than being with the wrong person.
So like these people doing hookup culture, maybe they'd be better off if they were alone.
But those being alone and being in the wrong relationship are like D minus or worse.
mary morgan
The alternative isn't even being alone, it's just like dating in a normal way that doesn't immediately, like for these women, give strange men access to your body.
tim pool
You know what I think it is?
mary morgan
Preferable for both sides.
tim pool
I think it's a cultural deficit in that we created all of this media.
iconography TV shows about love at first sight and about, you know, a guy meeting a girl and
they just love each other or Hallmark movies where, you know, the woman's in a relationship
with a guy but he's snooty and she goes back to her hometown and there's the old, you know,
football player and, you know, they never... The lumberjack.
The lumberjack and he's a stand-up honorable guy.
And in reality, relationships are built together.
You meet each other, you get along, you say, okay, you start building things together and you build up that emotional bond over a long period of time.
It's also like young people seem to think that it's like you meet someone and it's like they're the one.
ian crossland
No.
If you are in your best place and you meet someone in their best place, then you will realize together you're something, but they're not going to make you better.
You got to be up there so that they can come up to meet you.
I made that mistake for a long time thinking she was going to fix me.
So what's advice you guys would give to young guys?
Because I think a lot of guys are afraid of... rejection sucks.
And getting rejected in public, if that gets blasted out on the internet, not only... you might even look like a predator.
Kids are probably... guys are probably afraid of that.
mary morgan
So what advice... Girls also need to learn to reject guys in a way that's gracious and not ruthless, you know?
That's a problem.
ian crossland
What would be... that's cool.
What would be a good advice for young guys that want to pursue a relationship with a girl in this modern technology era?
ashley st clair
That's a very loaded question.
I mean, I think it depends what they want.
You know, if you're a young man looking for a more traditional relationship... Go to church.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
I mean, that's really... A lot of people say that, but it's like, okay, you're going to go up to someone in church and be like, hi, like... That wouldn't be very trad.
Makes some people feel weird.
tim pool
They say the supermarket.
I didn't mean to interrupt you.
ashley st clair
No, you're fine.
But I just feel like they have to, they have to live, you know, you have to walk the walk and you can't be calling for traditional lifestyles if you yourself are involved in hookup culture and things like that.
You know, if that's what you want, really, Tim's not wrong.
You're going to find that in church.
tim pool
Or a supermarket.
That's the other thing.
No, for real, they say, you know, guys will go to a bar to pick up chicks, and it's just like, I guess that makes sense for a guy.
But for a woman, it doesn't make sense, because you're gonna get a guy who's not looking for any kind of real relationship.
That's what this young woman is basically saying.
She comes to a point in the video where she says, like, this is not gonna lead to a real relationship.
And then there's another video going viral of a Japanese woman who was surprised when she met this guy's family.
And she was like, so this guy, I've been seeing him, we went on five dates, he introduces me to his family, and I'm thinking like, wow, this is a really big deal, like, we're hitting it off.
And then when she inquires, he's like, no, no, no, we're just friends.
And she was like, what?
Like, that doesn't exist where she's from.
When a guy and a girl hang out several times, they're dating.
When they introduce their families to each other, it's very serious.
In America, look, that's another thing about feminism.
mary morgan
I don't know if Japan has their shit together either.
Dating.
tim pool
Oh yeah, absolutely.
They have the hikikomori.
Yeah, hikikomori.
The guys lock themselves in their rooms and play video games all day and never come out.
Even when their friends are outside, they're in their room playing video games and no one ever sees them.
But that's Japan.
I forgot what I was going to say.
I was going to say something about feminism.
I know that the woke leftists are going to be like, you know, Tim Pool blames feminism, incel, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, look, man, I don't care about women running for president.
I know we end up like, I think, actually let me pause.
What's your stance on the 19th amendment, Ashley?
Repeal?
ashley st clair
I think there have been a plethora of problems.
tim pool
There you go.
We have women on the show and they're like, repeal the 19th.
And it's always the guys who are like, well, I don't know.
I'm like, eh, the ladies vote for it.
But anyway, I don't care about that stuff.
Feminism wants to see women as CEOs.
I don't care.
Run a company, do whatever you want.
Like I can choose to go to business, do business with whoever I want.
You can run a company if you start a company.
But in terms of like the sexual liberation stuff, it's not really liberation.
It's stripped women of their leverage in relationships.
Women were told you can go around and sleep with whoever you want, and the guys were like, yes!
mary morgan
I love that you're pointing that out about leverage, because when they call men incels, they're saying, you can't get access to sex with women.
But like, sex with women has become valueless now.
So where'd the leverage go?
Is that even an insult anymore?
tim pool
Well, so the thing about incels is most of these guys, it's an internal problem.
It's never been easier for these guys to hook up.
You go to a bar, buy some drinks, everybody gets, you know, has a good time, they're drunk, they go party, and then before you know it... But that's tough.
ian crossland
That's risky in modern culture, because you can get blasted out on the internet as putting your hands on someone's thigh or something.
tim pool
I'm not saying don't touch women without consent.
ian crossland
But they might think it's consensual and then take it a step too far.
I think that's a big problem.
tim pool
There is a reason why bars have the lights turned low, and there's a reason why there's that, you can buy it at Hot Topic or Spencer's or whatever, it says beer, making ugly people attractive since, you know, like 900 AD.
ian crossland
I've always thought that one of the cringiest things is the guy's like, can I kiss you now?
And you're like, oh God, just go for it.
mary morgan
You don't think that's sweet?
unidentified
I think that's sweet.
ian crossland
You do think, so should the guy ask before he makes a move?
ashley st clair
I don't think it should be mandated, but I think it's sweet.
tim pool
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Absolutely they have to.
unidentified
See, see, women... Because everyone's mentally ill, but if we live in a sane society... Dude, that lady cop?
tim pool
I should pull this up.
ashley st clair
This is actually perfect.
tim pool
I don't even know, how do I look this story back?
unidentified
I had it pulled up and I'm like... She was emotionally groomed, guys.
Yeah, what's her name?
tim pool
Megan Hall, was that her name?
Let me try and find this one.
serge du preez
Tennessee cop, I don't know.
ashley st clair
It is funny, though, because a lot of these feminist ideologies mostly benefit men.
tim pool
Alright, take a look at this.
This story went viral, and I have no idea why, about this Tennessee cop, Megan Hall.
She's now claiming she was sexually groomed and that she said no and they wouldn't take
no for an answer or like one guy wouldn't or something like that.
They colluded in their authority to systematically disarm her resistance and entrap her in degrading
and abusive sexual relationships, exploiting her, felt trapped.
So you want to talk about guys in the modern era.
If a dude is with a girl and the girl comes up to him and puts her hands on his shoulder
and leans in for a kiss and kisses him.
He just assaulted her.
And if she wants and she says it, they're in trouble.
This is a story that went viral for months about a woman who was banging a bunch of cops and just was as loose as loose can get.
And now she's claiming she was victimized and they wouldn't let her, they wouldn't stop.
ashley st clair
So what did she say that it was one that I mean, so she was fine with the other seven and not Well, she's saying she was groomed.
tim pool
She was saying they groomed her.
mary morgan
You're an adult.
Are you getting groomed?
Really?
ashley st clair
I don't know.
ian crossland
An adult police officer is now complaining about being groomed.
mary morgan
In all honesty.
ian crossland
You're supposed to be the law enforcement of the land.
Like, turn those guys in.
What the hell's going on?
mary morgan
You're a grown adult professional with professional equals.
tim pool
Quote, I did say no and he wouldn't take it for an answer.
ashley st clair
Okay, so is this... Gee, that sounds like one.
tim pool
Is this a story about this cop who was being abused, this female cop, and just didn't know what to do?
Or is she a wild and crazy cop who's hooking up?
See, do we know?
I don't know, but I'll tell you this.
If you've got a young guy, Even if he asks.
She can just say, he didn't.
And then he's going to jail.
He's getting locked up.
ashley st clair
It is very scary.
And like, you know, I have younger brothers.
I have a son.
It is scary for them dating now.
tim pool
Chappelle talked about this with, he did that joke where he had the guy sign a consent, he had pulled a consent form.
And then he was just like, well, hold on there.
He climbs off of him and he's like, let me just fill that out initial here and sign here and just make sure everything's good.
Because that's where things were going.
And the funny thing is, That show was like early 2000s, and then it was the 2010s when we got Mattress Girl.
This woman who begs a dude to hook up with her, reportedly, and he doesn't want to be with her.
Finally they hook up, then he leaves and he's like, I don't want to be with you.
She gets mad about it and then carries her mattress around claiming he raped her, even though the messages show that she was begging him.
So when Ian asks, should a guy ask, can I kiss you?
Yeah, your best bet is meet a girl at church and have a real relationship and get married and all that stuff.
Otherwise you go to jail or something.
ian crossland
But going to church to hook up.
tim pool
I'm joking.
Going to church to hook up.
The confession booth.
No one can see you.
ian crossland
If I worship loud enough, she'll notice me.
tim pool
What I'm saying is, meet a person in a real environment and have a real relationship.
It's tough to do.
ian crossland
A lot of it's like, what do they call it?
Happenstance?
Like you walk by and you see her?
tim pool
Not anymore, dude!
Now we got that five hours of walking through New York as a woman.
If you even say, howdy ma'am, you're considered assault.
You're assaulting.
You're catcalling.
serge du preez
What about that whole Home Depot thing?
What was that?
They said to go to Home Depot and find a guy in Home Depot because the guy can actually fix stuff.
ashley st clair
I feel like that's a good place to meet a man.
unidentified
Just go where your values are.
mary morgan
If a woman wants you to run into a married contractor.
unidentified
Oh, I like the go where your values are.
ian crossland
I went to theater school and I met other actresses, girls, and that's how I got my first real serious girlfriend because I was pretty nerdy in high school.
tim pool
So look, if you're a woman, And you don't gotta take advice from me, I'm some dude.
And you wanna meet a guy, go to Home Depot.
And then just make sure there's no ring on the hand.
And then just, you know, say, I'm trying to fix a door, can you help me?
Can I hire you?
ashley st clair
Just act really helpless.
I just need so many DIY projects.
tim pool
Don't lie to your way into a relationship, but... No, like, if you're at Home Depot for a real reason, you gotta have a problem fixed, you're gonna find a better quality guy.
ashley st clair
Oh, they're so happy to help, too.
Every time I don't know what to do, I'm like, I'm just gonna ask him how to do it.
ian crossland
Can you reach that?
ashley st clair
They're so happy to help there.
tim pool
But not just that, like, guys like solving problems and being helpful.
If a woman goes to a guy and says, look, I gotta fix a door and I need somebody who can help me do it, you know, a guy might be like, that sounds great.
I could totally help you with that.
That'd be awesome.
I'm here to help.
ian crossland
Do you think that dating apps should be deleted from people's phones?
ashley st clair
I think that and social media contributes to the problem of people always thinking there's something else out there.
Well, you know, I could do better and that's just comparative in general with the lives that we're living, but it absolutely contributes to it.
ian crossland
I noticed that.
I was in a relationship and I kept Tinder on my phone and I would still find myself looking at it from time to time.
ashley st clair
If I need it, you know?
It's that whole... There might be something else.
ian crossland
So this last relationship I'm in right now, I deleted all the apps right away.
It was just I knew, like, getting into it.
You can always reinstall it, you know?
It's not like it's gone forever.
tim pool
Let's make a fake dating app where it's like all of the people on it are bots and they say nice things to you.
mary morgan
You know there's like a conservative dating app now?
I don't remember what it's called, but like... Christian Mingle.
ashley st clair
Oh, Right Stuff?
Right Stuff.
mary morgan
It's something like that.
But like, that just means you're gonna find hyper-political people who are just obsessed with politics.
Which is not what you want either.
tim pool
There's Christian Mingle, right?
That's like, been around for a long time.
unidentified
There's J-Date.
mary morgan
That's more mainstream.
ian crossland
J-Date.
I always, part of me wanted to get on J-Date.
unidentified
I'd be like, I'm gonna find, I'm not even Jewish, this feels so dirty.
mary morgan
Farmers only.
Did you infiltrate Jacob?
I wanted to, I never did.
It was like a fantasy kinda thing.
ian crossland
I never did. It was like a fantasy kind of thing.
mary morgan
Just like join a join a Facebook group.
People are interested in things and then go to things, go to events.
tim pool
People need to talk to their neighbors and find local community.
ian crossland
Oh, you meet people through people.
That's a good way to do it.
That's a great way to do it.
serge du preez
That's how they used to.
tim pool
Okay, so think about something you're interested in and then go to events of those things and meet people.
The problem is when it comes to a lot of hobbies or crafts and stuff, it's dudes, it's not women.
mary morgan
Ashley, you're right about arranged marriage.
I just wanted to point that out.
We need to bring that back.
That was clutch.
Think about the stereotype of the older woman who is always trying to matchmake younger people.
That doesn't exist anymore because she's bitter and single.
She hates younger women.
She doesn't want her to find love.
Right?
That archetype of the matchmaking woman in a village, you know, it doesn't exist anymore.
ian crossland
Yeah, my mom's very matchmaking, probably because she has a family and wants me to have a family.
tim pool
The problem with arranged marriage is that it's anti-meritocratic in that you might have a three-year-old boy and a three-year-old girl, And then they're like, our kids are going to get married when they're older.
And then by 18, the male is like a hundred pounds, soaking wet, frail.
mary morgan
They were rarely arranged at such a young age.
ashley st clair
But it's not forced.
Arranged marriage is not forced marriage.
tim pool
Then how could it be arranged at all?
mary morgan
You're allowing the parents to judge the merits of the other person.
ashley st clair
Yeah.
mary morgan
Because they're older and more wise.
tim pool
So you're saying, like, when a woman is about to become an adult or whatever, the parents decide, oh, we found this guy for you, get married to him?
mary morgan
The guy's parents are involved as well.
tim pool
If it's not forced, it's not arranged.
The families are... It's just like a mom suggesting a guy.
Like, honey, you should marry the guy across the street.
He's dreaming.
unidentified
Like, no, I don't want to.
ashley st clair
And they're talking to the families and working it out.
unidentified
Love is about compromise anyway, you know.
mary morgan
I feel like the obsession with, like, marrying for love as well is very hyper-individualistic.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's a lot of different type of love.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And it's kind of, you know, if you're like, I love this sandwich so much, like, what kind of love?
ashley st clair
I think love is also a choice and not a feeling in a lot of ways.
I think too many people equate it with a feeling.
tim pool
That's what I was saying.
Like, people, like, I think our generation and younger are led to believe because of movies that, you know, you walk into a bar and there's, like, a beautiful woman and it's like, My heart be still I'm in love and it's just like yeah, and then you find out she's like a white supremacist You know and you're like, whoa, I don't want to be like she's attractive but not I'm not going there You know, like you sound like this has happened to you No, I just mean like
You see a beautiful woman and it turns out she's just like messed up.
There could be like a pretty lady and you're like, wow, she's beautiful.
And then she's like, the people from the moon have stolen my cheese.
And you're like, okay, I'm getting out of here.
Or, you know, I don't know, maybe your guy was into that kind of crazy wild ride.
ashley st clair
Maybe she was just eating candies with Ian for a moment.
ian crossland
I'm down to go to the moon, bro.
tim pool
You find someone that you have things in common with, where you can have fun, you can get along and you enjoy each other's company.
And then over time you build a relationship.
ian crossland
Yeah, you said it was a choice.
So like define that.
ashley st clair
I mean, you choose to love people.
I think even your family and people, they don't always act in ways that are... You choose to will the good of another.
mary morgan
Yeah.
ian crossland
So the choice being like, you're accepting the downsides of the person?
ashley st clair
Yeah, I mean, as long as they're not abusive or toxic.
mary morgan
All the crazy people just need to be with each other and then leave all the same people alone.
unidentified
Yeah, there should be like a crazy people dating app.
mary morgan
Oh, you mean all of them?
For all the rejects?
Yeah.
Tinder is one of the worst, too.
ian crossland
What are your favorites?
Like, what are your top three dating apps?
ashley st clair
I didn't really use them.
ian crossland
You never used them?
I had Tinder, Bumble, and OKCupid.
Did you ever use any of those?
tim pool
I was on Okcupid a long time ago.
ian crossland
I got it at first because I was building mines and I was like, we were going to add a Tinder thing into the thing.
So me and Bill were like, hey, market research.
Let's get it.
And it was so addictive.
I'd spent hours just like swiping.
I'm like, this is the most superficial stuff I've ever done in my life.
I'm judging each individual human woman.
ashley st clair
It's like a little game.
tim pool
We don't even need it anymore.
With all the data we've collected, an AI can just be like, boom, this is your match.
You're done.
ashley st clair
The AI does the arranged marriage.
mary morgan
Okay, arranged marriage.
tim pool
Yes.
ashley st clair
AI arranged marriage.
tim pool
I guarantee you this.
I would bet a large sum of money that if you took all the data from all the dating apps
and then plugged in the data to like an AI, the AI could find your match instantly.
ian crossland
That's a black mirror episode.
tim pool
And then you'd be like, because it knows where you're from, it knows how old you are, it knows how much you weigh.
You could do like one of those- I mean, if you want to put that in, but I'm saying look- It can't account for your personality.
Yes, it can because OkCupid does that thing where it asks you all the questions.
ian crossland
It knows when you poop, so it can like be like, oh, people poop around the same time of day.
tim pool
Facebook could do it.
Facebook, check it out.
mary morgan
That's what it was supposed to be.
tim pool
Facebook would understand things about you in weird ways.
Like, you don't need to tell Facebook you're a conservative.
Facebook can see your post where you say MAGA 2024.
You don't need to tell Facebook that you enjoy peanut butter and jelly sandwiches because you once posted an image of a blue circle.
And it seems completely unrelated.
But there will be weird things like that.
Where statistically, people who like peanut butter and jelly for some reason are more likely to post blue circles than red squares.
And we don't notice those things, but the AI will because it's looking at hundreds of millions of internet interactions and then finding statistical correlations.
ashley st clair
So they already do that.
If you buy turkey bacon, you're more likely to vote Democrat.
And these political parties already use different data like that.
It's really scary the amount of data.
Have you ever looked at your Google profile?
mary morgan
Turkey bacon?
tim pool
Yes.
ashley st clair
Or if you drive a Subaru, you're more likely to vote Democrat or be a lesbian.
tim pool
But that's obvious.
That's like, oh, we get it.
Somebody who likes turkey bacon is more likely to be left-leaning.
But what about something like you go to McDonald's at 7 in the morning.
Oh, you're more likely to get oil changes in the third of the month at 7 p.m.
Like, weird things that we can't see, it will find those correlations and tell you.
That means in dating apps, if it took your social media profile, all of your data, we could easily, at this point, make an AI that would be like, here's your perfect match.
I think we're getting- In terms of attractiveness, in terms of location, in terms of personality, the AI would break it all down and be like, based on the people you've messaged, based on the people she's messaged, based on what you like and don't like, the times you go to the bathroom and the food you eat, you should get married.
ashley st clair
I feel like TikTok could do it too.
I mean, the TikTok algorithm is insane.
So sometimes it's scary how hyper fixated it is on your life and your interests and everything like that.
So I think that could come very soon.
ian crossland
Well, how much of a relationship do you think is about shared interests?
Like, how important?
ashley st clair
I think it depends on the interests.
I think it's more important to have shared values rather than interests.
I think interests are temporary and can be switched out and changed.
I'm not interested in some of the same things that I was years ago, but I think values is more important.
serge du preez
I agree because sometimes it's fun to be dating somebody and then they have a different interest.
You don't always want to do just the things that you know.
You want to be exposed to new things.
You don't want to just have exactly the same interest as somebody else because what more is there to talk about after a certain point?
You've already seen all that.
You've already done all that stuff.
It's very surface level.
I agree.
ian crossland
Shared values being like morals, ethics kind of thing?
ashley st clair
Yes.
I mean, especially, I used to tell people that all the time when they'd ask, oh, should I, you know, my girlfriend's a Democrat.
I'm like, well, get out!
tim pool
How does that happen?
ashley st clair
I don't know, and that's what I said.
I said, there is a fundamental difference in the values of Democrats and Republicans.
That's not going to work.
I mean, what happens if she gets pregnant?
unidentified
First of all, you know, there's just such a... It's like, I can save her, I can fix her.
mary morgan
That's what it is.
tim pool
Well, I mean, that's partly true.
Women who get married tend to vote Republican.
But it could be because women who have Republican leanings are more likely to get married.
The marriage may not be the catalyst, it may be the inverse.
You never know, I guess, but I will tell you, millennials seem to be extremely unhappy, particularly millennial, Gen Z, and younger women.
They have very high suicide attempt rates, very high depression and anxiety.
So there's no—you can't come to me and be like, no, they're happier than ever.
ian crossland
They're not statistically It's nuts because like it's the hottest girl.
I mean that girl is beautiful who is talking like this, like this, and she doesn't have a boyfriend.
Are you kidding me?
Like if I was 22... Something is fundamentally broken.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Ian, Ian, are you joking?
Why would a guy do the extra work and make himself monogamous with her when feminism says he can have her and all the other women all at the same time?
Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?
ashley st clair
And that's what feminism did.
tim pool
You know what a shotgun wedding is?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
That was because dudes would go bang the girl in the barn and the father would run with a shotgun and be like, uh-uh, that was my daughter, now you're married.
And the guy was like, aw, shucks.
The meme was that the guy didn't want to get married, he just wanted to hook up, but there were moral obligations to a woman.
Women had leverage.
Now, it's all free, baby.
She's like, I got nothing.
Because of, uh... You're like, she should have a boyfriend.
She's attractive.
I mean, maybe 20, 30, 40 years ago.
But now, a guy hooks up with her and says, I can call her whenever I want and she'll be there because she wants me and I don't have to give her anything.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, but that's a good thing.
Well, not the not-give-her-anything thing, but call her whenever you want kind of thing.
tim pool
That's a good thing.
Except she wants him— For men.
—to be in a relationship, and he doesn't have to be anymore.
mary morgan
But she needs to take responsibility and not hook up with a guy thinking that it's going to convince him to commit to her.
tim pool
I understand.
The entire question.
Yes, yes, yes.
I understand.
Except this woman says to the guy, hey, I want to be in a relationship, and he goes, lady, I got 50 women on Tinder right now saying the opposite of what you're saying.
See ya.
mary morgan
It depends on what he wants.
tim pool
Yep.
There are probably a lot of older guys who are like, I want to have a relationship with someone now.
mary morgan
There are young guys who want relationships too.
It's just, it depends on, uh, I guess your maturity level.
ian crossland
I used to be like... Agreed.
Get to know the girl.
We were best friends for like a year, then we became boyfriend and girlfriend for like seven years after that.
But we were already best friends.
And then after that, didn't really work out.
And then I just was like, you know, if she's not gonna have sex on the first date, I'm not interested.
And so that was how I... You said that to her?
To myself.
I was like, from now on while I'm dating, if she doesn't want to hook up, then she doesn't want to hook up.
And that was my mentality.
And I found a girl for four years, didn't work out, you know.
The recent girl, we hooked up pretty quick.
ashley st clair
That's true feminism.
It's true.
ian crossland
So like fourth wave feminism where we're at?
ashley st clair
Yeah, they have to put out.
ian crossland
Yeah, that was my... because it's like exhausting.
Like, does she even like me?
Like, why is she not having sex with me?
I'm 34 years old.
Like, I don't have time.
Maybe it's because I was just getting older.
And like, I'm still in that dating... still in that dating pool that I'm like, I don't want to... I don't want to wait and see on this one.
Like, is it happening or not?
tim pool
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I'm not your friend, buddy.
I need, Jesus says Matthew 24, 4 through 13, 2, Timothy 13 through 2, or Timothy 3, 1 through
7, and John 6, 37 through 39. Does anyone know those? What that's a reference to?
unidentified
No.
serge du preez
Nope.
unidentified
I just registered that as a mess of numbers.
tim pool
Ah, yes.
It's a Bible verse.
ian crossland
Well, I want to thank everybody for letting me empathize with neuroses that I think a lot of kids, young people are going through.
I'm actually in an extremely awesome relationship at the moment, so you know.
I'm not really nervous about myself, but I'm allowing myself to freak out a little bit.
unidentified
All right, Rusty.
mary morgan
I'm shaking a little bit.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's intense.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Rusty Shekelford says, would IRC happen to be in the running for members only chat protocol now that Discord is out for the moment?
No, the Discord is almost done.
And so we'll go with that and we'll see what happens.
But IRC was a really funny idea.
It's a good idea.
The problem is we just have to create like a new IRC server every morning or something.
It'd be kind of weird.
And then anybody could just share and give access to it.
So what we're trying to do is create a system where if you're a member at TimCast.com, it gives you access to the Discord, which is relatively easy to do.
But yeah, agreed.
I don't trust Discord.
However, I will say, like, we're not banned from YouTube.
So I'm not super worried about getting banned from Discord.
I just don't like it.
And when we were thinking about doing a different service, they're probably worse.
unidentified
So we'll figure it out.
tim pool
All right, Damian Masters says, yo, you hear Discover Card is gonna start tracking their customers' gun purchases?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Oh, wow, really?
Well, I got rid of mine, so how about that?
Yeah, that's a whole other private story, so.
Corey Alexander says, Ashley St.
Clair is on, so this episode is gonna be based AF.
As it was, as it was.
Matthew Schneider says, Biden Federman 2024.
It's a no-brainer!
unidentified
Yep, that's a classic, that's a classic.
tim pool
All right, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, man, the fire in your eyes at Wesley's Trek mistake.
I thought a dropkick was coming.
Hilarious.
The Chinese spy balloon skit with Taylor.
It burns.
I'm still giggling.
Keep them coming, y'all.
Yeah, so check out Cast Castle on TimCast.com.
And we've got another one that we're planning that I'm really excited for.
Basically, we're just, it's a combination of, they're sketches, right?
We're doing sketches that mock cultural issues.
So, you know, and then there's gags in them.
ashley st clair
You guys gotta collab with The B. I mean, that'd be great.
tim pool
We'd love to.
ashley st clair
Collab with us.
tim pool
We've got a lot of videos.
Ian did a really funny sketch where he was the host of a show called Rian with Ian.
And he's basically Crowder.
And then he's complaining about his contract with Roberto Jr.
The Rooster.
And he's got... It's called... It was a play school, Rockin' Robot, where he secretly recorded Roberto's... The Rooster's conversation.
ian crossland
You know, that's my resume.
I think we should make... We need a hit movie, basically.
We, I say, like, as in this movement, political movement.
I don't think of that political terms, but we there needs to be a hit movie. That's not out of Hollywood
It's not like a decent system of daily wire Babylon beats in cast all these cool networks
Make like a hit like lethal weapon hit movie. I'm pitching it to Crowder. I haven't talked to him
I don't know where he's at. I haven't seen him in a month.
tim pool
Oh, we could easily do a movie yeah, we just need a good script and
six weeks I think I think a comedy, a political comedy movie would be great because the budget can be low and then we would just reach out to people like Ryan Long, you know?
He might be... I don't want to... Or the Bambalon Bee?
Well, yeah, of course.
I'm just saying we'd get a bunch of people and then we could do like a funny movie.
ashley st clair
Ryan's hilarious too.
unidentified
Yeah.
ashley st clair
He's so funny.
tim pool
Yeah, he was great on Rogan.
You need to watch.
I've only seen clips.
ashley st clair
Oh, is he on?
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
ashley st clair
Good for him.
tim pool
Yeah, he had one funny one.
I'm not gonna say maybe I'll maybe I'll dirty jokes, dirty jokes.
All right, here we go.
Fiji Merman says I had a her she bar.
I was expecting plain chocolate, but I took off the wrapper and saw giant nuts.
unidentified
Haha, that was a good one.
tim pool
Amenthy says stay alive, John Fetterman.
We only need your corporeal form.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
MF Damien says hardcore depression after major accomplishments is common.
The goal doesn't give meaning, the chase does.
Once you have it, what now?
Messes people up.
That's why I firmly recommend to children skateboarding.
There was a great article I read when I was younger, it was called What Now?
And it talks about how, in skateboarding, you'll go to this stair set.
Big set is very tall and you're going to jump down.
And you're trying to do a 360 kickflip off of that stair set and land it.
And it's your dream trick.
It's the hardest thing.
You want to do it.
You've tried it a couple times.
You've bailed.
Finally, you come back with your friends and you're like, today's the day, and you land it.
And for about three seconds, it feels good.
And then you stop, pick up your board, and it's gone.
Now what?
What now?
It's over.
serge du preez
Do it again.
tim pool
No, doing it again won't give you that feeling.
ian crossland
Another metaphor is like playing Magic the Gathering when you build your own deck and then you win.
It's so much more fulfilling than just getting a deck from someone and winning.
Like, having created the value, I think, is the value.
tim pool
So I'll say this.
For me, with skateboarding, it got to the point where there's, like, nothing left for me to do.
I've been skating since I was about 13, and all the tricks I've wanted to do, I've done.
And there are some things, obviously, like, I'm not the best skateboarder in the world.
There's a lot of things I can't do.
I'm never gonna do, like, a kickflip McTwist or anything, but I've never been passionate about that.
So all the things I wanted to do, I've done, gotten the dopamine release, and now I'm like, in my mid-30s, and I'm like, I like skating, you know, I'll do some tricks here and there, but I have no desire to do a nollie heel flip crook, you know, big spin out or something, because, like, I did that when I was a teenager, like, the feeling isn't there anymore.
So now it's mostly just about cruising around, doing some big ollies, getting a few kick flips, heel flips, maybe a few good flip tricks, some, you know, late flips in.
skating the mini ramp and just cruising around carving hitting some grinds you
get the flow of things and it feels good you get the exercise
but that drive to like I don't know you know switch flip blunt
unidentified
is just not there anymore. What if Elon said he wants you to come kick flip
on a spaceship? There's probably better people he could ask to do that.
ashley st clair
He asked you, Tim.
Then would you go?
tim pool
I mean, I guess.
unidentified
Kickflip your way to Mars.
tim pool
I don't know.
I wouldn't go to Mars.
Kickflip off the roof, please, Tim.
It would be weird to do a low gravity kickflip.
I don't know.
I can't imagine.
But I'm just saying, like, as you get older, when you're young, you see these things and you're like, I want to do that so bad.
And then when you're older, you're like, yeah, I did all that stuff.
ian crossland
TimCast, SpaceX, collaboration.
We make a music video in space on one of those re-entryable rockets.
Or we'll go up in one of those, maybe.
ashley st clair
It's really interesting that the article you were talking about for the skateboarding was called What Now?
Yeah, that's what it was called.
tim pool
What Now?
Yep.
Matt Kinder says, I'd love to play a game of Magic with any of the cast members.
Do any of you have an Arena account?
Do you have an Arena account?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think I do.
I don't use it, though.
I don't play a lot online.
tim pool
Well, I have a really good idea.
We are going to, with Poker with the Boys show, we're getting a poker table, but it's really like a tabletop table, right?
When you play Magic the Gathering with your buddies, you use a poker table because it's a card game and we could do board games.
But I had this really great idea of doing two things.
The internet plays Magic the Gathering.
The internet plays poker.
Here's what we do.
We get five... For Magic, maybe we get five, six players.
Maybe that's too many, maybe four.
But one player takes actions based on what the audience in the live chat is voting on.
So they'll show the cards.
We'll need to make like a real-time system where people can get an app and then see the cards in the hand and then pick the actions they want.
And then whatever the most actions get voted on, the player will do.
ian crossland
You could have it like, you show the cards in your hand, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and they just put the number, play card number 4.
tim pool
And then it tracks the percentages.
And then what happens is, there's a thing called priority.
That's right, priority, right?
In magic.
And so, when someone plays a creature, if you have a counterspell, priority goes to you, you ask the audience, they spam it, you give it five seconds, say, okay.
Tap!
Counterspell!
Boom!
ian crossland
The world has chosen.
ashley st clair
So you're not really even playing, you're just the vessel.
tim pool
Right, the audience watching.
ashley st clair
For the internet to tell you what to do.
tim pool
Yeah, I thought that'd be fun.
And I thought, like, we could do with a bunch of different things.
Poker, board games.
Create us an app where people can vote on what to do and then see if we can get, like, a pro Magic player to beat the entire internet.
ian crossland
Did you guys see the guy who built a software program where you can play pool on a video game and it controls his pool stick and shoots the actual pool and then he has a camera on his table?
ashley st clair
That's very cool.
ian crossland
He's got a big YouTube channel.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
Smig says brain dead is actually used in the medical field, but the term is actually called death by neurological criteria.
ashley st clair
Nerd.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Is that a nerd?
unidentified
I'm kidding.
tim pool
Son of a Murph says, Ian removing the DNR would make the everyday person have to pay attention during the election cycles.
ian crossland
Pay attention?
tim pool
We've been talking about it for a long time.
Yes.
Because then they're gonna be like, vote Democrat, and they're gonna go, who's that?
Get rid of it.
If they don't know who they're voting for, they shouldn't be voting for them.
ashley st clair
Good luck.
Figure it out.
tim pool
We did a we did a we did a cast castle sketch where we had MTG play MTG
Now with Ian Marjorie Taylor Greene played Magic the Gathering and she asked she beats Ian and Ian gets really mad
And he's like, okay, and then he's outside. She actually played she did it. She doesn't she's
We told her what to say, and she performed it perfectly.
ashley st clair
Oh, I love that.
tim pool
I just love when she's like, Ian plays Wrath of God, and then she taps the blue, and she goes, Mana Drain.
And Ian's like, God!
People who know what that means find it funny.
If you don't, it's esoteric.
ian crossland
Got it in one take.
Nice job.
tim pool
Yeah, she did a great job.
We gotta really, I wish I could tell you the joke for the one we're doing now, but it's too good, so I can't.
It's like, we're gonna put it up on YouTube and everyone's gonna laugh when they see it.
I just, I can't, I'm gonna stop there.
ian crossland
Do you actually, Thomas Martin thinks Tim Definitely plays White, Green, Cat, Deck.
tim pool
No, I play Red, White, and Blue.
Red, white, and blue, baby.
Those are my colors.
America.
ian crossland
Shocking.
tim pool
One of my favorite decks is red, white, and blue.
So there's... Kykar.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Nasty.
tim pool
But mostly blue.
It's control.
So that's the color for, you know, control and manipulation.
ian crossland
You can see the red magic come out of his eyes sometimes when he's getting fired up.
tim pool
Yeah, so red is like chaos and aggression.
And so I like playing red and blue, which is chaos and control.
It's a mix.
And then, you know, it is what it is.
Let's read some more.
What do we got here?
Some more Super Chats.
Clint Torres says, I think Fetterman is in for an experimental treatment and one day is going to come out in a press conference, rip open his suit to expose a Superman symbol and yell, hey, you guys.
Look, man, they've got stuff.
OK, let me just say stuff.
It's like $8,000 stem cell treatments.
We got Bocas, the cat, stem cells to save his kidneys.
And it seems to be working.
ashley st clair
You think they're gonna do that for Fetterman?
I think they're gonna let him wither and die.
I don't think they're giving him any stem cells.
tim pool
Maybe.
ashley st clair
They're saving that for Hillary.
tim pool
Erukane says, use locals for your members chat.
Um, maybe, but we need more than that.
With Discord, you can do call-ins.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's a little deeper.
tim pool
Yeah.
And we can create different rooms.
So we can actually create, like, the VIP lounge elite access, you know, or whatever.
And it's like, I'd rather have it be based on, like, time frames.
Like, you become a member, and then if you've been a member for a certain amount of time, you move up in the, you know, rooms or whatever.
Yeah there'll be like the VIP lounge and it's like if you've been a member longer than three months then you're in the VIP lounge.
I wouldn't want to do anything where it's like over a year but maybe because then it's good for us it encourages people to stay members for a long time to go in these rooms.
ashley st clair
You gotta show respect to your veterans.
tim pool
That's right and we'll put Ian in the room.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
tim pool
We'll put Ian in the VIP lounge.
ian crossland
But I'm only gonna chat with video or audio I don't want to do text.
tim pool
And it'll be like if you've been a member for at least a year then you're in the room with Ian as he's playing video games.
ian crossland
That's pretty cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And you can play video games with Ian.
ashley st clair
He's so happy.
unidentified
He's so happy.
ian crossland
Let's play some Jaws.
That's right.
tim pool
Baldur's Gate 3.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Son of a Murph says, Donald Trump Jr.
has bank account canceled.
News?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Is that?
Let me pull up the old Don Jr.
Twitter account.
ashley st clair
I bet it was Chase.
unidentified
It was what?
mary morgan
Bamboozled you.
ashley st clair
I bet it was Chase.
tim pool
It was Chase?
Chase canceled it?
ashley st clair
I don't know.
I said I bet it was Chase.
Let me see.
tim pool
All right.
Whoa, what?
PNC Bank shut down the bank account for my app, MXM News, without any explanation?
mary morgan
What?
ian crossland
You give a speech at, this is a quote, you give a speech at one insurrection.
tim pool
Wait, is that what he said?
ian crossland
It looks like that's a quote from him.
ashley st clair
I knew this was coming.
tim pool
Is that what he said?
ashley st clair
I knew Kanye was the star.
unidentified
That's the quote from Alternet.com.
Whoa.
tim pool
That's crazy.
serge du preez
Debanked.
tim pool
At the beginning, after being told to call a generic helpline, I was informed by the PNC representative that per the terms and conditions, PNC reserves the right to reevaluate their business relationships at any time and terminate accounts without cause.
ian crossland
Well, you know who just started a bank?
John Rich.
unidentified
This is what happens.
ashley st clair
This is what happens and this is why, and I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me here, but I was very concerned with the compulsion to disavow Kanye.
Because he had just been banned from Chase Bank.
And that, to me, no matter what he said, is really scary.
But conservatives, even if they had never said anything even remotely similar to what Kanye said, they had this compulsion to disavow, which makes it worse.
mary morgan
The debanking had been a thing for a long time before it even happened to Kanye.
It set the precedent that that's just acceptable.
tim pool
We got we got I got to read this was a good one.
Eric Christensen says, I have a question to ask about the title of this episode.
Rumored?
The title of the episode is Fetterman Rumored Braindead.
And okay, figuratively, he's braindead.
Literally, it's rumored that he's braindead.
Okay, so we can call Fetterman braindead if we mean he's just not functioning properly.
But in this context, it was like, the rumors that he's literally in a chair drooling and going and like not functioning anymore, but good super jet.
Very funny.
Alright, what do we got here?
Heron Gaming News says, I can hear Luke going, reee, when Tim said anarchist society doesn't work.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Every attempt at an anarchist society has been crushed militaristically.
I'm not saying it's not ideal or that we couldn't implement it in the future.
I'm saying historically, every time there's been a community of anarchists, they've been crushed by outside forces.
Short-lived.
A bunch of people sitting around being like, let's vote on how to deal with the insurgent hordes that are storming into our territories.
And then by the time they figure it out, it's gone.
So there's always some kind of mix.
There's always some kind of executive.
ian crossland
It's when the executive knows that it's dangerous situations is when they're needed, is when they create dangerous situations so that they're needed.
That's when the anarchy needs to step up.
unidentified
Let's just make it Michael Malice and call it good.
tim pool
It's February.
Red Rum Max says, funny how Ian has on his Twitter pin
that he will build muscle this year and yet is as sickly looking as ever.
It's February.
ian crossland
No, it's March.
tim pool
It's March.
ashley st clair
Ian, you look great.
ian crossland
I'm not healthy.
I think I have a parasite.
I need to cleanse my body, fix my dental work.
I just had a tooth break today.
I need to fix my teeth.
I'm like the United States.
I'm like a shell that's not being kept up.
I haven't been taking care of myself.
I haven't been getting enough sunlight.
tim pool
Just put on the muscle suit and come on the show.
ian crossland
and there it is.
But I really need to purge my body of disease or whatever the hell's in it right now.
I feel like I'm living in pain, but I'm desensitized to the pain.
So I haven't been realizing it.
Like my jaw hurts.
unidentified
Like almost like constant pain.
tim pool
All right, Thomas Sidebottom says, in the age of deepfakes, the in-person campaign tours will become incredibly powerful.
No more basement campaigns.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
James Madison's Ghost says AI deepfake videos will become the fake news headlines that get shadow changed a day later after everyone has already read them, misinforming people.
Yeah man, the Trump example of disavowing white supremacists is exactly it.
They will make a deepfake, alter one word to make it sound worse, and that's all liberals will see.
Welcome to the future.
Dorktanian says you're very optimistic about this.
There are going to be bots automatically feeding news stories to the AI skewed in their favor to have instant deepfakes created as the stories pop up.
Yup.
So we're using AI for TimCast.com news articles.
When there's a story, we're taking, not all of it, sometimes we'll just get a picture of the guy and we're making our own custom art for everything.
But some of it is AI deepfake in that, like, we did a story about Pete Buttigieg and the train derailment.
So our news team just AI-generated a Pete Buttigieg art with a train derailment art, and that's what we used for the story.
It's not a real picture.
No one would confuse it as being a real picture because it looks like a painting.
But we're using AI for the characterization of these things.
ian crossland
I wonder if photorealistic art AI stuff should be watermarked or banned.
unidentified
Nope.
ian crossland
You'll never be able to ban it.
tim pool
Free speech.
ian crossland
Free speech to make you say something?
tim pool
I don't know about that. I don't know if we did the Star Trek joke in this cast in the cast
cast castle episode, but considering it's already out anyway, I'm going to say it but um
we took we uh Captain Picard and Data and deep faked a conversation between the two between the
two of them where Data accuses Picard of being racist because of disparaging remarks about Klingons.
And, you know, my brother made a funny joke about it.
I don't know if it's actually in the episode, but that was an idea I had where I was like, If the gag is the camera comes into the room and I'm sitting there watching Star Trek, then we can make Star Trek say whatever we want.
ian crossland
On the TV?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
So it's like I'm sitting there watching the TV and you can see like the Enterprise fly in and then it cuts to my face and you hear Data being like, I just can't quite figure out how to give it to her properly, sir.
unidentified
Well, Data, you have to try and thrust, thrust, you know, things like that.
tim pool
And then I'm just going like, hmm, this is a good episode.
So we can do- we can make any show say anything we want.
unidentified
Oh my god.
tim pool
Yeah, we could like- we- and we should just do it all the time because it's hilarious.
But this one was particularly offensive, so.
I don't know if it made it in the episode, I don't know.
But all I know is if it did, it was hilariously edgy.
It was good.
I'll talk about it in the members-only show.
All right, where are we at?
Matthew Waddell.
Like Adam Selene, the AI leader of the rebel movement in Heinlein's The Moon, is a harsh mistress.
The book was written in the 60s.
Interesting.
All right, where are we at?
Ewape says, need to start attributing a cryptographic hash to metadata of official videos.
Can't use legally if the hash doesn't match public key.
Nope, because there's screen grabs, because there's compression, because there's downloads.
So you can try and attach metadata tags to things, but there will be, as soon as Trump gives a speech, there will be 15 versions of that speech on the internet.
Figure out which one's the real one, and what they'll do is the fake ones, they'll get meta tags too, and they'll say, no, ours is the real one.
Then you'll get nefarious actors that will film it, Deepfake it.
The actual press will be at the event.
They will film Trump Speak.
Then they will deepfake alter it, put a meta tag on it, and be like, that's the real one.
Here's proof.
A picture of me at the event.
What are you gonna do about it?
What are you gonna do?
ian crossland
Maybe supply the original meta tags and be like, this is the original.
This is the earliest date.
If the date's in the meta tag.
I don't know if that stuff can be forged.
If you have a technical solution, you think you do, hit me up on Twitter with it.
tim pool
I want to give a shout out to, I think it's Mel and Rye.
Rock, Paper, Scissors, Anime is an amazing video.
I talked about this a little bit, I think, earlier.
This YouTube channel Corridor Crew.
They used AI technology to turn themselves into anime characters.
So, in order to make an anime battle, it's anime rock-paper-scissors.
Two brothers fight over the throne by playing rock-paper-scissors, and it's actually really funny.
Like, when they rock-paper-scissors shoot, there's, like, wind, and, like, the windows all explode, and they're like, ugh!
But they filmed themselves in a green screen, then used AI to convert that into anime.
Then they took photorealistic environments from Unreal Engine, I think, converted that to anime, to animation style, and then made this show without actually drawing anything.
But we're not gonna, in my opinion, it's still rudimentary.
I think we're a couple years away from you typing in, make me an anime about two brothers fighting over the throne, and it will just start rendering, and then it'll be like, come back in 10 minutes, boom, here's a 15 minute episode.
It's gonna be crazy, because I'm gonna be like, write a sequel to the X-Files movie, where Mulder actually discovers there are aliens, and then I'll watch it, and I'll actually enjoy it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm thinking like, it's going to be less about making the best piece of art and more about making consistently good art.
Because there's going to be so much of it that there might be flash in the pans of this is so great, that's so great, but the really great ones are going to get reused and recopied and reprinted over and over again.
So you just need to be known for putting out lots and lots and lots, if you want to make a career in it, I mean.
ashley st clair
In art.
ian crossland
What's that?
ashley st clair
In art.
ian crossland
Yeah, in digital art.
tim pool
Babyleg Bennett says, Ian, the meaning of life is to simply live a life full of meaning.
Now please roll me a 77.
Okay.
Okay.
Uh-oh.
No, no, that doesn't count.
ian crossland
That doesn't count.
tim pool
It fell off.
This thing never stops rolling.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's quite circular.
tim pool
Oh, where is it going?
Okay, it's rolling.
Is it gonna be a 77?
And it's... Nope.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Decided to keep going.
ian crossland
You guys ever do a Ouija board?
tim pool
Where is it?
It's gonna fall off.
unidentified
No!
Wait, wait!
ian crossland
You should!
No, I should not!
unidentified
75!
Whoa!
tim pool
Close one.
It is 75.
unidentified
Wow.
ashley st clair
Sorry.
ian crossland
Next time.
I'm getting better.
tim pool
That's why I wanted to raid this one, because I'm like, if he rolls this and actually 77 comes up.
But 75!
That's only two points away, man.
The prize is a fairly accurate call right there.
The price was wrong.
The price is wrong, bitch!
All right, Carlos Y says, Ian, the purpose of kids is to set them up to have an even
better life than you.
You don't want them to just have what you have but to exceed you.
I half agree.
You want – in order for kids to have a better life than you, they have to experience hardship
to become strong.
So, a big mistake a lot of people make is they raise their kids and say, I want to give my son the things I never had.
So I'm going to send him to a good school, and I'm going to buy him a new car, and I'm going to give him all these things I wish I had.
And it's like, bro, you are successful because of things you didn't have.
Giving your kid all this stuff just means he's going to be entitled when he's older and be like, why won't the government give me a new car?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
So what you should do is, when you have your kid, bring him out to the woods and, you know, teach him to fight and punch trees and start fires and, like, campfires, I mean, obviously.
And, you know, survive.
mary morgan
Start forest fires.
tim pool
No, no, none of that, none of that.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Yeah, but let's be real.
Redux says the internet has already destroyed politics long before deepfakes.
Politicians do not do their jobs, the only virtue signal on social media.
The people that vote for them live in a spectacle economy inundated with depravity.
Yeah, but let's be real.
Before the internet, you'd get people like Hillary Clinton and they'd go to New York
and be like, you gotta vote for me, because I'm just like you guys, huh?
You know, vote for me, yeah.
Then they go down to Alabama, be like, you gotta vote for me, cuz I'm just like you.
And then they go to Chicago and be like, you know, if you vote for me, I'll get your garage door open or fixed in no time.
That's what Hillary Clinton was doing.
Because internet video wasn't a thing when she was younger.
So she went down to like Arkansas or whatever and started talking with a Southern drawl and it's like, oh please, New York Senator Hillary Clinton.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
AOC did the same thing.
It's like she has no, she did the Latina thing.
unidentified
Listen!
tim pool
Yeah.
ashley st clair
It's not as bad as breakfast tacos from Jill Biden.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
Geez.
tim pool
All right, what do we got?
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Ian, sir, please stop blaming 2006 YouTube content.
ian crossland
Hey man, don't knock it till you try it.
Put your emotions and your truth, honesty and your face on the internet on video after video and listen to people and make responses and create community.
Try it.
It's not easy.
unidentified
Get him Ian.
tim pool
Alright, let's grab one more real super chat.
unidentified
What do we got?
Let's see a good one.
tim pool
Neglectful Sausage says, I've always said Star Trek is racist AF.
In Next Generation, Picard says, like a Romulan, or like a Klingon to people, using race as an insult.
DS9 was the same.
Well, okay, well, yes, that's a good point.
And you should watch Cast Castle to see the bit we did, because it's basically that.
So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, become a member over at TimCast.com by clicking join us, and in about 10 minutes we'll have the live, uncensored after show up for all of you to hang out.
And we've got some pretty dark stuff to talk about.
It's not going to be family friendly, so you're being warned.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Ashley, do you want to shout anything out?
ashley st clair
Just the Babylon Bee, and you can buy my children's book, Elephants Are Not Birds, at Brave.us.
ian crossland
People find you on Twitter?
ashley st clair
Yes, at St.
Clair Ashley.
mary morgan
You can follow me on Instagram or Twitter.
They're both Mary Archived, and subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis.
We go live at 3 p.m.
Eastern Time, noon Pacific Time, every Monday through Friday, and we talk about celebrities, movies, all that stuff.
ian crossland
Good show, I've been on that many, many times.
You guys follow me, Ian Crossland, anywhere on the internet?
Pretty much everywhere on the internet, any social network, and I'll see you later.
serge du preez
And I am at surge.com on everything on the internet.
I've seen a lot of people pull out my SoundCloud, which is interesting.
Thanks.
tim pool
Tomorrow, at 1pm over at youtube.com slash timcast, we will have a hangout interview slash conversation with Pete Parada, formerly of The Offspring, and we're going to talk about the issue he faced with the VAX mandates, how he was unceremoniously removed from The Offspring after 14 years, and I gotta tell you guys a crazy story.
So Pete has been in two of the music videos out of three we've done so far.
Technically there's four, but two of the ones we've done recently.
One's not out yet, it's currently being edited, and he came out here, we filmed.
He's amazing, he's an amazing drummer.
It's an honor and a privilege for me to get to work with the drummer who was with The Offspring for 14 years, because they were my childhood favorite band.
But he's never publicly done an interview about what happened with being kicked out of the band because he's a very humble, you know, kind of quiet guy.
But I asked him if he would want to come on and talk about this and give us the full picture and talk about a bunch of other things, and he agreed.
So we're going to be recording it tomorrow morning for the Culture War podcast episode two.
But here's the crazy story.
Last night after this show, I go home, and I'm getting ready for bed, and I press power on the TV.
The only thing I press.
And because usually I watch like Yellowstone or 1883, but I finished watching those, so I watched some movie last night.
So I go into my bedroom, and I turn the TV on, throw the remote in the bed, go into the bathroom, take my contacts out, when all of a sudden I start hearing Kill Boy Powerhead.
An offspring song.
And I'm like, what?
And then I walk out and Allison, my girlfriend, she's like, did you turn this on?
And I was like, I turned the TV on.
It was The Offspring playing at a rock concert, playing the song Killboy Powerhead, and Pete's playing the drums on the show.
And I was like, oh, look, it's Pete.
And then Allison's like, you didn't turn this on?
And I'm like, all I did was turn the TV on.
I didn't turn a channel on.
I didn't open Amazon.
I didn't do anything.
I just pressed power.
So I have no idea why that turned on, but it was just kind of crazy.
serge du preez
It's on the TV?
ashley st clair
That's really crazy.
ian crossland
Part of the algorithms manipulating us to see what the machine creators want us to see is that... I think it's the Ouija board, Ian.
All I did was press power.
Sometimes synergy is real.
It's like god-like spirituality, and I'm afraid that people might lose the distinction between algorithmic manipulation and God actually moving people together.
tim pool
So look, normally when I turn the TV on, it's static.
Like because you get the home bar, it's like an LG and like the bar pops up and you got to pick HBO or Paramount or whatever.
And usually it's like Amazon.
I turned the TV on this time and I didn't think twice.
And then it started playing a rock performance from The Offspring.
ashley st clair
Which is weird because there's smart TVs that even if you turn it off, like it resets.
You have to go back to the app.
That's that's very weird.
tim pool
Anyway, we're gonna go to the members-only show, Uncensored, at TimCast.com, and also check out the Culture War podcast tomorrow at 1pm, youtube.com slash TimCast.
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