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Sunday Uncensored: Clint Russell & The Red Headed Libertarian Members Only Podcast

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clint russell
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ian crossland
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tim pool
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tim pool
Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored.
Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com, and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show.
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Now, enjoy the show.
unidentified
I think we're live.
tim pool
We're still working out the kinks and how to make this streamlined.
So for the time being, we're working out the kinks.
But we've got this funny clip that I want to talk about.
And I guess everyone's still in the bathroom because we're working out the kinks.
But welcome to the Members Only section at TimCast.com.
We're going to be setting up the Discord for you all to chat in real time and to call into the show so that the Members Only is actually a bit more a bit more special.
So I'm really excited for that.
But in the meantime, we'll just get into talking about shenanigans and whatnot.
And I will start by playing a clip for all of you guys, if I can figure out how to do it.
There we go!
Look at that.
See, I don't have the fancy buttons that Surge has.
I just have the actual terminal here.
But I'm gonna play this clip for you guys, and then we'll talk about it.
unidentified
Big dick energy.
I don't like this term big dick energy or small dick energy because everyone's about body positivity, right?
How are we going to talk about men who have desirable characteristics have big dicks and men who have undesirable characteristics.
have small p****s. There are some wonderful men with small p****s and some terrible men with big p****s. Women can willy-nilly throw out big d*** energy, small d*** energy.
If I started throwing out loose p**** energy as a term to describe someone that was undesirable in some way, I would get cancelled.
But loose p**** energy, bro, you get in trouble, you say that shit.
There's other terms to use.
Cavernous vag energy?
clint russell
Step it up.
Let's go.
tim pool
Look at their faces.
You know, he makes a really good point.
ian crossland
Everybody loves it.
tim pool
He makes a really good point.
What's wrong with saying cavernous vag energy?
You know, I mean, this is the thing with feminists.
They can dish it, but they can't take it.
It's that meme where they're shoveling shit over the wall.
It's like opinions and the walls of the internet.
And then when people throw shit back, they're like, help misogyny.
clint russell
Yeah, I mean, I'm absolutely adding that to my lexicon.
Like, that is my new retort.
Anytime someone's coming at me sideways who's a female, like, cavernous vag energy right there.
tim pool
Oh, you got some loose pussy energy going on.
That's what he said.
ian crossland
But, like, tight pussy energy's not real.
clint russell
I disagree.
That's a very real thing, Ian.
ian crossland
What does it indicate?
Just, like, strong core strength or something?
clint russell
I don't know how it happens, but it happens.
josie glabach
It means that we do our kegels.
unidentified
Yes, exactly.
josie glabach
That's what that means.
clint russell
I was gonna let her say it.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
I mean, I actually think the guy might be kind of wrong, actually.
There's a reason why people say big dick and small dick energy.
And it's a reference to insecure guys.
clint russell
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's like the loose veg thing doesn't really reference a woman's behavior.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not saying I completely disagree with the guy.
Like, he's got a point about body shaming people.
Like, you can't be a feminist and be all like, fat people are okay and you should eat ice cream and then make fun of people for their bodies.
Like, you can't have it both ways.
clint russell
In fairness, I don't really know what women are working with.
So, like, you could have a woman who's got a loose... Make titty energy.
unidentified
Yeah.
clint russell
Oh, big titty.
That's a better one.
ian crossland
You're right.
That's a big one.
tim pool
Itty bitty titty energy.
ian crossland
If it was a tight vagina and it made a guy cum fast, like that was the benefit as a guy.
You fuck for five seconds.
You're like, ah, would that be good?
Would that even give a girl confidence?
Wouldn't that be like a bad thing?
josie glabach
That's a bad thing.
You want to last.
Gentlemen, you want to last.
tim pool
Yo, Sergio's back.
He can press buttons for us.
Sergio missed the best conversation.
This is the least family-friendly show we've ever done.
I was gonna do a segment on this for my TimCast News, because it's culture commentary, and then I was like, I don't think I can say this stuff on YouTube.
He censored the, it is kind of annoying in the clip, he censors the word dick.
unidentified
And it's like, come on, dude, you can say dick.
josie glabach
I'm gonna add loose pussy energy to my lexicon when I am dragging the 19th Amendment Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
The 19th Amendment.
clint russell
I think the fact that they would censor Dick on this is some real loose pussy energy.
josie glabach
Yeah.
tim pool
Cavernous vag energy.
clint russell
Loose pussy being... Some small titty energy.
ian crossland
I can't take it anymore.
Like what's the...
tim pool
Because I'm confident.
Hold on, hold on.
I want to say, look.
clint russell
He is like really trying to make this make sense.
tim pool
No, no, listen, listen, listen.
This guy's funny, right?
But I actually, I actually do want to push back on his stance.
He is poking fun at this body positivity wokeness.
But if we are trying to be real and talk about how men and women are different, then there's a reason why there's a phrase big dick and small dick energy.
Because men and women are different.
Men have different social behaviors.
Men are insecure about different things.
So like, him trying to say, you know, loose pussy energy, it's not the same thing.
Women are very, very different.
So the argument he's making, while funny, actually is very, like, woke.
You know what I mean?
Like, hey, you know, body positivity, and we can't say this about women.
It's actually like, nah, I think you can insult guys.
clint russell
I'm fine with it, I don't care.
But I also have big dick energy, so.
tim pool
And here's the reality, like, women, If a woman hits a guy, he can hit her back, he can defend himself, but generally guys should try to, you know, not- Not do that.
Yeah, not do that.
ian crossland
De-escalate.
tim pool
I mean, because like, it's not all guys, and this is the thing.
Some guys might be like scrawny five foot tall.
So we're saying on average with guys being bigger than women, if a woman is, you know, acting a fool or something, the guy should not Treat her the same way you would treat a guy.
If a guy is walking up to you, like flexing, and he might hit you, and he gets too close to you, you hit him.
Because you're allowed to do that, if they get within your personal space.
Like if he's menacingly coming up to you.
If a woman's doing it, you might wanna back up.
Depends on the woman.
If it's like a six foot four, you know, woman, or if it's like Brittany Griner or something, you might wanna be like, go get the fuck away.
Like, you're big, you could hurt me.
But the issue is, in general, on average.
clint russell
Yeah.
I actually had a really scary story.
Sad, but since it's not a million people on YouTube, I'll say.
My brother, who I moved to Florida to be with because he was suffering with mental illness, he came charging at me.
And like any random dude on the street had done that, I would have just swung at him.
But because it's my brother and I love him, I just shoved him.
And I don't even know why I brought that up.
I just wanted to get it off my chest.
It's just scary when you have a sibling who's dealing with it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it happened to me once.
What happened?
Was that the end of it with you guys?
clint russell
No, I had to call the cops because he was so unhinged that I was afraid that I was going to have to incapacitate him to get him to stop.
ian crossland
My brother, one time, I was playing on the Super Nintendo.
He was on the couch.
He started kicking me.
I was like, give me the controller, dude.
Give me the controller.
I was like, please, I'm playing.
I'm playing.
Stop, Max.
And he kept kicking.
So I was bullied at school a bit.
So I snapped and I jumped on him and then got him in a chokehold and started choking him out.
I've never really choked anyone out, but I was cutting off his carotid artery.
I was trying to cut him off.
Trying to make him fear, and I told him, I'm gonna kill you now.
Now you're gonna, this is it for you.
And I wanted him to think he was gonna die.
And then my dad came in and was like, get the fuck off him!
unidentified
What the fuck!
Stop!
ian crossland
And Max got up and he was screaming, I'm gonna fucking kill you!
I'm gonna kill you!
And he threw him out of the house, my dad threw him out of the house.
He never fucked with me again after that.
tim pool
That's awesome.
I'll read some of these comments.
Christopher Van Unen says, tight butthole is the gender neutral term.
unidentified
Yes.
That was workaholics.
tim pool
Shannon Mullen says big clit energy.
ian crossland
Is it more about the clit?
josie glabach
Isn't one step down from a big clit an undersized dick?
clint russell
Yeah.
Well, trust me.
I don't know any guy out there.
I'm sure there's some, but I don't, most guys don't want a big clit.
tim pool
Lynch Mob says as soon as I tuned in, Ian says tight vagina.
unidentified
Let's go!
tim pool
So someone asked, uh, Miguel says, what is the future of chat?
We just got the members only live stream up and running.
The future of chat is going to be a private discord that you can chat in all day.
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tim pool
And there will be like rooms for members.
So if you're a member, there'll be like the members lounge.
And then maybe we'll create some kind of like, I don't know, different lounges for different things.
Like if we have an event or something.
But then there can be the voice chat room that we can actually bring in and play you talking on the show for select people in certain moments or whatever.
So if you're a member, basically you can chat all day.
Then we pull up the Discord during the live show and you just chat in there.
You don't gotta go to Chicken City or anything like that.
But anyway, back to the, what were we talking about?
We were talking about big dicks and tight vaginas?
unidentified
Yes.
clint russell
And loose buttholes.
ian crossland
Large clits.
tim pool
And loose buttholes.
unidentified
Big tits, yep.
I think... Pete Buttigieg suffers loose buttholes.
tim pool
But that's like, you're in serious trouble if you do, because you need to wear a diaper or something.
ian crossland
Yeah, tight butthole and loose butthole are bad.
You want a medium butthole.
clint russell
What?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure you want your butthole to be tightly closed to hold in your feces.
ian crossland
That's too much stress.
Like, not tight tight.
You know, you want it to be a little...
unidentified
You're saying, like, clench so hard.
ian crossland
You don't want it to bleed when you take a shit.
unidentified
Redrumax says, sounds like a dating app for members.
Oh, the app is coming.
tim pool
Red rock Red Bull guy over red rum ax says sounds like a dating app for members. Oh the app is coming
I think the app is done actually Yeah, and I think we're just we're
I think we're uploading it now.
ian crossland
I would treat it like a beta for the first week or two.
tim pool
But you can't sign up with the app.
You can only sign up on the website, but you can log in on the app.
ian crossland
That's cool.
tim pool
Because if you sign up through Apple, they charge you a ridiculous amount of money.
Unless we just make it like a $15 if you sign up through the phone or something, which is like, I don't know.
Because people probably would say they didn't care and they would do it anyway.
But I think the app is done.
I think we uploaded it.
ian crossland
Have it so that they can download it from TimCast.com.
I'll see it right when they land.
tim pool
And on Android.
Yeah.
For Apple, it'll redirect you.
But then you'll be able to listen to the show with your phone suspended in sleep or whatever.
josie glabach
You can plug Yeah, that's some real cavernous badge energy there, Apple.
unidentified
Yeah, so, right?
tim pool
John L says the butthole has to be tight but not clenched.
It's a very different show now that we're doing it live.
This is my favorite thing ever.
Did you guys see that viral video of the woman trying to lift weights?
unidentified
And the barbell pins her down and she's like... Bro, it's so fucked up.
ian crossland
She turn out okay after that?
tim pool
I don't know, but she's like squirming and you can see her stomach going up and she's trying to breathe through her stomach.
josie glabach
She was filming herself, right?
She propped the camera down and was filming it, so there was nobody there to help her.
tim pool
Right, but she wasn't doing the thirst trap thing with the super tight booty pants and twerking or whatever.
She was doing a bench press in a private area.
It's like, okay, if she wants to film herself, I got no beef with that.
I'm not gonna be mad at her about this.
But I think some woman's gonna die.
clint russell
Oh yeah.
Plenty of men have died from bench press accidents where it just drops and it hits their throat.
josie glabach
I'd want a spotter.
tim pool
Nah, it's not going to happen anymore.
Dudes are done with it.
It's funny because we've done a bunch of segments.
We've done like three or four about how men don't want to help women anymore because you're a creep.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, ladies, you're on your own.
Sorry, Josie.
clint russell
I don't care what the social mores say.
If I see a woman who's suffocating because she lifted more weight than she was supposed to, I'm going to pick it up off her.
tim pool
Famous last words.
We're going to see a video of Clint lifting like a 500 pound weight.
His arm, yeah, she's like, she's purple.
His muscles rip and he's like, and he falls down and his arm is like bleeding, the skin's torn.
And then he starts doing one handed CPR.
She comes back to life and she goes, I did not ask to be touched you motherfucker!
clint russell
Yo, if that's how I got to go out, I'll take it.
One second, man, okay.
tim pool
You know, part of me is like, I'm watching all this shit, and it's so depressing how just like, society's so fucking broken.
clint russell
Yeah, dude.
tim pool
You open a door for a woman, excuse me, I don't need you to hold the door for me.
josie glabach
What's hard is there's, you know, 50% of women are pretty, well, I'd say even less, probably like 30% now, like, I'm totally fine with chivalry.
I love it.
But there's women who are like, you don't need to do that for me.
And I don't agree with them, and a lot of women, you know, the 30% or whatever, don't agree with them, but we're all gonna get screwed now.
clint russell
I think the good news is that the women that have the more feminist mindset are less likely to procreate, so like their ideology will eventually die out.
I think that's good.
josie glabach
That is actually really positive.
I like that optimism.
tim pool
I mean, we've talked about it.
They're more likely to abort their kids and neuter and spay their kids.
clint russell
And they also don't want to start families in the first place, so it's like, So they might have one kid?
tim pool
So let me ask you though, because conservatives are trying so hard to save liberals.
And I'm just like, shouldn't conservatives tell the liberals to spay and neuter their kids?
clint russell
It's tough because we are dealing with a depopulation problem when it comes to government and economics.
But at the same time, I actually tweeted out last week, and I got a lot of shit from the libertarians, but I stand by it.
Stop telling the woke to reproduce.
Like, don't encourage them to do it.
Just don't, just don't encourage them.
tim pool
But we want to save the kids, because the kids are innocent.
josie glabach
Yeah, the kids are victims in this.
clint russell
But I mean, if they don't ever, I'm not like telling them to abort their children, I'm just saying like, if you're a woke lunatic who thinks that critical race theory is, you know, from, comes down from heaven, then like, yeah, I'd rather you not be raising a child into that worldview.
I think they're gonna be disastrous.
tim pool
So what we should do is, when you see liberals that are going to abortion clinics, when you protest, don't scream, you're gonna fucking burn you, baby killer!
unidentified
You go, no way.
clint russell
But then if you see a Christian church that's letting out, and you see one of the girls walk into the abortion clinic, you go like, no!
Hell for you!
You gotta try and stop her.
unidentified
Oh no!
Stop!
tim pool
Don't end your genetic line.
clint russell
Look at her green hair.
unidentified
Don't do that!
tim pool
No, but it's funny because it shows you that conservatives actually care about the humanity.
clint russell
I know!
They're beautiful people!
tim pool
And that's the problem.
Well, that's the challenge, not the problem.
In that you're like, your life is valuable, you degenerate piece of shit.
Like, I'm trying to make sure you live, but you won't fucking listen to me.
clint russell
And they hate them for it, which is the funny part.
tim pool
They're like, fuck, what the fuck?
It's so crazy.
clint russell
The conservatives are like, I love you more than your parents did, and I don't even know you.
And they're like, fuck!
tim pool
But not just that.
Conservatives outright are like, you're a fucking baby killer, you motherfucker, and I hope you live.
I really hope nothing bad happens to you.
It's paradoxical.
clint russell
It is.
tim pool
But the end result with the liberals winning in these cultural areas is just that they cease to exist.
Now, the argument is socialists don't have kids, they have yours.
But that, if the anti, I don't even want to call it the right, it's just the anti-left.
Because there's like libertarians, there are liberals.
If the freedom faction wins, we'll call it that, the freedom faction.
clint russell
Yeah, freedom faction, I like it.
tim pool
Then, in education, then these people just cease to exist.
Bye!
Have a nice day.
clint russell
Sounds good to me.
And I love the freedom faction, that's a great moniker.
josie glabach
I like the idea of saving their children, okay?
So when they come for our children, they come for our children when our children are rebelling against us.
So if you think about the hippies, the hippies that had kids, all their kids became Republicans in the 80s.
It's a way to kind of lash out against your parents.
The socialists saw a way in, and they're like, okay, well, when the kids get to about middle school age, they're gonna start lashing out against their parents, and that's when we're gonna come in and encourage them, and steal them away, essentially.
We're gonna tell them that they are a boy, or they are a girl, or they're gonna enforce the trans agenda on them.
And they come at a point when our kids are vulnerable, and kind of stepping away from us to kind of find themselves.
tim pool
This is the problem with conservatives.
Yo, you know what you gotta do in Florida?
Start reading the Bible.
I'm half kidding.
What I'm saying is, they come in with their crackpot ideology, and then whine and whinge, but we're just teaching about slavery!
So bring the Bible in.
And be like, you want to read your book, I'll read mine.
Bring whatever book you want to bring.
ian crossland
I don't know about the Bible, though.
tim pool
They say the Bible, it's a Bible.
I'm saying I'm half kidding, right?
The point is, if they want to have their ideology, it opens the door to anybody having theirs.
clint russell
No, I think, honestly, it's a perfect tit for tat, because if you're going to go, and this is actually James Lindsay's argument, is that what they are teaching is a religion.
So if religions aren't allowed to be taught in school, then this isn't either.
So, if they're going to proceed in that path, well then, we're going to teach our religion.
It's not mine, I'm not actually religious, but I'm just speaking in James's terms.
ian crossland
Christianity's got a lot of great stuff, I just am not a big fan of the institution.
clint russell
I don't want kids to be taught any religion in public school either, I agree with you.
But I'm just saying, if you want it to stop on one side, then you may have to go and give it to them on the other side so that then we have a meeting of the minds once again and we say, you're right, we got derailed here, we shouldn't have been doing this at all.
ian crossland
You could probably guise it as science, because quantum physics is sort of like the undiscoverable or the things we don't know about quantum physics.
Why do two particles become entangled?
Probably God.
You know, that might be some sort of new age religion that's beyond the 2,000-year-old book, and you can slide it in.
clint russell
It's definitely the type of stuff that makes me feel stoned when I think about it.
tim pool
Vance Mac says, near the end of the main show on YouTube, the camera was on Ian Crossland, and there was a massive stink bug crawling on his chair.
josie glabach
Yeah, I was trying to get your attention, Ian.
tim pool
Then a few minutes later, he complained about the smell and blamed it on Bucko.
Was that scripted?
ian crossland
No, I saw that guy.
Sitting there too, he was on the arm.
I don't know, did he climb up top or something?
josie glabach
I saw him pass behind you.
ian crossland
He was watching me going like this.
tim pool
Wyatt Caldenberg says, I saw a strange woman on YouTube.
She claimed to know all about TimCast secrets.
She claimed to have run for an officer under the LP, but she has another show called Socialist Saturday.
Does the LP have a platform or can anyone run as an LP no matter what they believe?
clint russell
No.
tim pool
She doesn't make any sense to me.
I have no idea who you are talking about, to be completely honest.
But we do have a bunch of stalkers.
So, they make things up.
We've got creepy weirdos who post weird, creepy things on the internet.
It's a reality, you know?
josie glabach
Having a stalker just means that you've made it.
I have a stalker.
clint russell
I can actually answer.
tim pool
Just one?
josie glabach
Yeah, well, one that I know about.
He actually, he's on Tumblr.
unidentified
I'm sitting right here, please.
tim pool
He's in the room.
josie glabach
Yeah, he's wearing a red hat.
No, he's on Tumblr and he made an entire account.
There's your problem.
No, he's got 90,000 followers.
He made an entire account talking about his redheaded, petite, freckle-faced wife.
And then it's a bunch of pictures of me.
tim pool
Dude, it's gonna be so fucking crazy when porn is just all fake, like deep fake.
And so, people are gonna, what if right now, the simulation we're in is just, we are in, like Clint.
clint russell
It's just you.
tim pool
None of us are real.
I think about this sometimes, I know dude, it's crazy.
You went into the AI pod and said, I wanna be a libertarian podcaster.
And then it was like, you're there.
clint russell
Honestly, my life is so cool that sometimes I'm like, Maybe I'm the only non-NPC, but then I meet you guys and I'm like, nah, it's probably not.
tim pool
I don't know.
I'm totally a non-player character.
There's a bunch of us.
ian crossland
I'm part of the program.
clint russell
Don't tell me this.
josie glabach
There's a bunch of us that you can tell when you're in Hookworm the Matrix.
tim pool
When you leave, this place ceases to exist.
unidentified
You guys are just trying to make me go, Skitzo, this is fucked up, dude.
tim pool
We're so close to making that ourselves.
clint russell
It's like, no, no, I'm just trying to tell you the truth.
unidentified
You're right.
tim pool
We are so close.
We're so close to making that ourselves.
clint russell
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
Like right now, we're probably 10 years away from being able to VR a world with characters.
The way they're doing, so there's a program.
unidentified
Did you see the new Unreal Engine, by the way?
Have you seen how photorealistic it is?
tim pool
It's ridiculously... We pulled up AI Video Maker, and you can type in a script and describe a person, and it will make a person saying the thing you want it to say.
Imagine where we'll be in 10 years, where you're going to go to the AI and be like, I want to be a famous soccer player and I want to have a nemesis who is like a British guy and he plays he plays American football though and then just do the rest whatever you want but I want to be rich too and then
ian crossland
And then they'll ask you more settings.
And in your childhood, what happened?
I had a hard childhood.
Made my childhood kind of more of a struggle relative to others.
And I want near the end, when I'm getting into late game stuff, have it be like the most impossible problem that seems unsolvable.
That's how I feel my settings are right now.
I'm like, what the fuck?
tim pool
Everybody in this room is like, their lives are so magical.
It clearly must be a video game of some sort.
The people listening are like, Here's what I would do.
I would be like, all right, here's the AI.
I'm a podcaster and skateboarder.
I play music and I wear a beanie all the time.
And then right at the end, at like year 50, aliens come and then everybody for some reason gets superpowers.
ian crossland
You could do that in the settings and then when you start the game, i.e.
be born, you wouldn't know what settings you'd set.
clint russell
Yeah.
And also because the AI is becoming so advanced, you can change it on the fly based off of how you react to the input.
So it could actually be evolving as it goes, the story could.
ian crossland
So we could change our settings in real time.
clint russell
Which sometimes I feel like I can.
tim pool
DMT is a glitch.
And that's why when you take DMT, the machine elves are like, what the fuck are you doing here?
Because basically what's happening is, it's like, imagine someone's playing a video game, they're playing Grand Theft Auto, and then all of a sudden the GTA guy turns around and starts banging on the screen, and you're like, what the fuck is going on?
clint russell
What the fuck is this?
I remember when I first got GTA Vice City, I played it for fucking 48 hours straight, and then I got in my car to go get food, because I was starving, because I hadn't eaten in two days, And I'm not even exaggerating.
I had stayed up for days, because the game was so riveting.
And I'm driving down the street, and I see a dude on a bike, and I think to myself, I should run him over.
And I was like, holy fuck, what have I done to my brain just playing this video game?
But if you had VR, you could literally lose your mind.
You could actually come out of it and just start killing people.
tim pool
I got to read this one.
Maga says, Tim, stop fantasizing about AI multimedia.
You're going to ask to be in a superhero world, and you're just going to be in a creepy Spider-Man, Elsa, Hitler reality.
unidentified
It's true.
tim pool
You're going to tell the AI, I want to be Spider-Man.
And next thing you know, Joker's got a giant syringe and he's chasing a pregnant Elsa.
And you're like, what the fuck is this?
unidentified
It's what the AI found when it looked up Spider-Man.
Oh man, that's, that's Elsa gay stuff, right?
Yeah.
tim pool
Chasing pregnant.
ian crossland
Josie, what is your like spiritual background?
I never really asked you about it before.
josie glabach
I was born and raised Catholic.
I was baptized Catholic.
I made my first communion.
I made my confirmation.
I was married in a Catholic church.
Now I'm more of a deist.
I'm more of a deist.
I identify more with like the founders in that something was some there's something bigger than them they just couldn't really put their finger on what it was but they did believe there was some sort of creator some sort of master of something and i believe that i don't know if i believe everything is into an organized religion or not um so that's something i'm working through and i'm just trying to
tim pool
Yo, Miguel Ornelas says, the lead producer of Skyrim said it's one AI thinking and controlling everything, like our reality.
So, when you play Skyrim, every person you meet, it's actually one entity controlling them all.
Of course.
They're not individual computers for each person.
One computer controls the minds of all of the NPCs.
josie glabach
So kind of like America.
tim pool
Like Democrats.
clint russell
So it's like all the people that voted for Biden.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
josie glabach
Exactly.
ian crossland
Is that Brett Duville, the lead programmer?
I wonder if that's who said that.
tim pool
Is that, maybe that's what it is.
Maybe we're in a simulation and all the Democrats are just NPCs and they lack the ability for critical thought.
josie glabach
That is the most, that makes more sense than anything I've ever heard, Tim.
tim pool
So that's what I've talked about.
Listen.
So I've read about simulism for a long time.
It's all popular now because Elon Musk talked about it.
And so then I said, well then there's three parent potentials.
There's gradients between, but one is, everybody, so let's break it down this way.
If the world is a simulation, it could be that only you are a conscious entity within the world, thus it's like a single player video game.
The second option is that it's more like an MMORPG.
Most people you interact with are conscious entities playing the game, but there are many NPCs.
And then the third option is, no, everybody is a conscious being and you can't be in the game unless you are, but this explains why animals don't have souls, because animals are NPCs.
If two is true, And some people are non-player characters and some people are player characters.
It would make sense the non-player characters lack the ability to think critically and then would cluster into cult-like behaviors.
ian crossland
I think that everyone's like a player character but you can put your character on autopilot and sit back and then you become NPC mode where you're like watching it eat and watching it move and you're like That's against, that's a bannable offense.
tim pool
That's botting, bro.
ian crossland
People forget that they're not in control, and they forget that they can turn it back on and take control of the character, because they're so used to it being in auto mode.
tim pool
That's called botting.
josie glabach
Let me just say, all this shit happened, this all happened when they turned on that fucking Atom Smasher.
ian crossland
The CERN?
josie glabach
Yeah.
Everything hit the fan.
clint russell
They turned on the Atom Smasher and suddenly, Well, I think it happened in, like, 2012, which was the same time that Obama allowed the American people to be propagandized, so it's like, I don't know, dude.
tim pool
Jerry McClure says, there's also a fourth option where we are all NPCs playing out some fantasy of the creator.
It's true!
The problem I have with that one is, I think, therefore I am.
And so, yeah, that...
I've thought about that, like, okay, what if everyone's an NPC?
That's an option, right?
It's like, well, I can't say that because I think.
Now, it's possible that doesn't mean anything and we are still all just NPCs of the creator, but we think we are isolated.
But if I can calculate things in my mind separate from the AI, it's like going back to Skyrim.
Skyrim controls, one AI controls all of the people.
If I can only control myself, then what is the connection to anything?
It's possible, I'm just saying.
josie glabach
The people who can't think critically, they target the people who do think critically, and I think that that's interesting to keep in mind with this conversation.
tim pool
We talked before about how some people don't have an inner monologue.
You ever hear that?
josie glabach
Yes, I've heard of that.
clint russell
I've heard that, but it's hard for me to fucking fathom.
Like, you don't have thought?
That's what we're talking about, right?
josie glabach
That's what an inner monologue is?
Maybe they just don't understand.
clint russell
Yeah, I think they just don't understand what we're describing, which makes them an NPC in their own right.
tim pool
And there's also, there's a thing where it's like, when you think of an apple, what do you see?
And then it shows a bunch of different pictures.
And some people, like when I see an apple, when I imagine an apple, it is, it's 4D.
I can see the apple moving through time.
I can see it as an ungulating snake traveling forward through portals.
I can imagine an apple growing arms and legs and boxing a duck.
And it's all like in perfect HD in my mind.
But some people see like a flat picture.
Some people see an outline.
Some people, they can't envision, you know, that depth.
clint russell
That's interesting, man.
ian crossland
It's fucking eugenics, man.
josie glabach
You know what?
I see impressionist paintings.
So if you tell me to envision an apple, I'm going to see it in an impressionist paint.
I'm an artist, too.
clint russell
But you can't see it not that way?
josie glabach
No, I can't see it.
tim pool
I can imagine an apple and I can rotate it in my mind and then I can throw it in the air and hit it with a sword.
josie glabach
I see it and it's like 4D, but the colors on it is like Impressionist artwork.
clint russell
Fascinating.
ian crossland
How about this?
josie glabach
That's post-Impressionism, but yeah.
tim pool
Starry Night, you're right.
unidentified
That's correct.
ian crossland
I would try and visualize a sheep jumping over a fence, and I was like, okay, let's do this counting sheep thing, and it would keep resetting.
I'd visualize the sheep would jump partway over the fence, and then it would reset, and start again, and reset, and reset, and reset.
That's true.
clint russell
I don't have the perfect control over my imagination, but I can imagine basically what Tim says.
ian crossland
But one night, I forced myself to picture it jumping over the fence, and then running over the hill, and down into the horizon, and ever since, it broke something, some filter, and I was able to control my thoughts, Way easier after that.
tim pool
That's cool.
I can't do the counting sheep thing to fall asleep.
I've tried, but every time I start imagining the sheep jumping over the fence and counting it, the dark one emerges, the sheep god with demonic energy, and then tries to kill me.
ian crossland
It's because you're running out of time.
You've taken too long in the envisioning.
unidentified
I just shoot up in bed in a cold sweat like, and then you see Madonna's visage.
josie glabach
It's a sheep sleep demon.
tim pool
Sheep sleep demon.
So, uh, I, so, uh, when I dream, I typically lucid dream.
ian crossland
Dang, that's awesome.
clint russell
That's rad.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
It's, uh, but you just gotta, you gotta learn how to do it.
tim pool
You just gotta read how to do it.
It's really easy, actually.
clint russell
Okay.
tim pool
And so, uh, there's a bunch of different things you can do.
You can do what's called walking into a dream, and that's if you have a strong imagination when you're going to sleep, you just imagine and imagine, and then eventually you slowly move into that dream.
ian crossland
Do you do science experiments in your lucid dreams?
tim pool
Every single time I have a lucid dream, I just start flying around throwing fireballs at things.
ian crossland
I bet you can calculate- I'm not joking.
I bet you can calculate, um, solutions.
It's just like, it's the weirdest shit.
clint russell
That's so based.
tim pool
But like, what else is there to do?
ian crossland
I had a song came to me last night in my dream.
tim pool
So two things happen.
Most of my dreams are lucid.
And once you get into the flow of lucid dreaming, it just happens.
And so they said there's a couple things you can do.
It's like in the movie Inception, the spinning the top.
You wear something on your wrist and you have like writing on it.
And then when you're dreaming, you'll look at it and go, I'm dreaming.
Because it's instantly the disconnect hits you.
But something interesting happens, to me at least, I can't speak for anybody else.
Often, if I push too hard in a dream, The world starts collapsing, everything starts turning black, and then I wake up.
ian crossland
Breathe out carbon dioxide in those situations.
That'll keep you in the dream.
Slowly.
Breathe out real slow.
clint russell
Check this out.
This was the first ever lucid dream.
I still remember it because it was so rad.
I was like 12 years old and I was on a public bus, which I never ride a public bus, and I had Christina Applegate from Married with Children was sitting in the booth in front of me.
The way I realized that it was a dream was I was like, there's no fucking way in hell that Christina Applegate would be on this bus.
And I was like, I'm dreaming.
I'm going to touch her boobs.
I just touched her boobs.
I was 12, you know?
And then I just took off and I started flying and I could do whatever I wanted.
It was the greatest dream ever.
tim pool
When I'm dreaming, Flying isn't something you can just do.
It's not like all of a sudden I'm like, whee!
It's like actually very hard.
It's like I have to concentrate and then it feels like I'm almost like holding my breath to get lift and like, it's like working a muscle.
josie glabach
Have you ever tried running in a dream?
tim pool
Yeah, it's like running underwater.
josie glabach
Yeah, it's weird, right?
And everybody has that sensation, which is really, it's universal.
tim pool
I just throw fireballs.
Tyler Price says, holy shit, Ian is an awakened NPC that broke through.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
I think that makes sense.
josie glabach
That does.
tim pool
Katharine Donohue says, what the fuck?
ian crossland
When you think you're aware is when you're the least aware, I think.
clint russell
For the record, Christina Abilgate consented in my dream, just so we're clear.
tim pool
Jonathan Bottas says, Tim needs to take some shrooms and expand on that.
ian crossland
That'd be cool, but go low dosage.
Dose in slow if you do that.
The first time I did it, I did what they would call heroic dose.
I did eight and eighth, I think, or a quarter.
No, it was an eighth.
And it was a real deal, like on my feet for four hours, breathing, looking at the environment, seeing things.
They weren't pulsing super hard, but you would see trails.
clint russell
I've only ever done a half and it was amazing.
ian crossland
Because I had a friend there that was also taking them with me and had done it before, I was able to talk through it.
Without the friend, I probably went insane.
clint russell
Yeah, a guide is great.
josie glabach
I've never done shrooms.
I've never done any drugs, ever.
I've never smoked a cigarette.
clint russell
We're doing shrooms when we get back to Florida.
josie glabach
We're gonna do shrooms?
Okay.
tim pool
Is it legal in Florida?
clint russell
Probably not.
tim pool
You shouldn't publicly announce your intention to commit a crime.
unidentified
We're gonna commit a felony in Florida, Ron DeSantis!
clint russell
I move to live under your rules, sir.
Do not imprison me.
ian crossland
Caffeine, though.
You've taken caffeine?
josie glabach
Yeah, I've had coffee.
unidentified
But no cigarettes?
tim pool
I was gonna say, Matt, it's gonna be like a year from now and you're gonna be in an orange jumpsuit and they're gonna be playing the video and you're gonna be like, I was just kidding!
clint russell
I was just joking!
ian crossland
They're legalizing psilocybin all over the place right now.
tim pool
Yeah, you gotta say Colorado or something.
clint russell
Actually, I'll be speaking in L.P.
Colorado, so I'll do it there.
ian crossland
It's in D.C.
tim pool
where it's legal.
ian crossland
In D.C.?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure.
Everything's illegal in West Virginia.
We gotta get off our asses, West Virginia, because it's the basest state, okay?
Basest?
unidentified
Most based.
tim pool
And the problem is, it's too slow.
So I'm not saying legalize drugs, I don't give a shit about that, but like, home poker games are illegal.
clint russell
Oh, that's terrible, dude.
tim pool
Yeah, and like, a lot of states have basically recognized that playing poker with your friends for a couple bucks is no big deal, but in West Virginia, it's very illegal.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
That makes me not wanna move there, but I think you're right that we gotta go there and change it, Well, I mean, I live there already.
tim pool
But yeah, we got to change it.
And like when people play home games, it's like it's like 20 bucks.
It's like you throw in 20 bucks just so there's some stakes and it's like 50 cent, you know, small, dollar big.
clint russell
The fact that we ever even got to the point that we have a state that thought that they should like have any say over what you do in your own home with your buddies when it comes to, you know, gambling.
tim pool
But it's also dumb because there's workarounds.
josie glabach
Even Massachusetts is better than that.
My grandmother won a dollar and 20 cents at bingo the other night.
tim pool
Bingo's considered charitable gambling, it's allowed.
josie glabach
Okay, that's interesting.
tim pool
So the problem is people think poker is gambling.
And people who are bad at poker think poker is gambling.
It's a game of skill.
I've been playing more and more poker, and I think it's 100% skill.
clint russell
I played professionally for a couple years just because I loved it so much, but I never wanted to commit.
I was too broke to actually commit myself to grow the bankroll to then keep it going.
tim pool
That's crazy, watching someone who has $200,000 just for playing pro poker, and if you lose it, you're fucked.
clint russell
I was too young to actually put that nest egg together.
Then I became a mortgage broker and made a lot.
tim pool
So anyway, I don't want to go off on a tangent.
My point is just like when it comes to legalization of drugs and things like this, I don't think like in Maryland, this is funny.
In Maryland, you can smoke pot.
In West Virginia, uh-uh.
In West Virginia, you can have big guns.
In Maryland, uh-uh.
Yeah, what the fuck, man?
What if I want to hang out at my house with a bunch of big motherfucking guns on the wall, and me and my friends will smoke pot, do shrooms, and gamble while paying for it all with Bitcoin?
What the fuck is wrong with that?
clint russell
Yeah.
And then we cuddle at the end of the night.
tim pool
What's the fucking problem?
Yeah, fuck you, man.
josie glabach
That's interesting with the federal laws.
So you could go from California to Oregon, both of which have legal marijuana.
clint russell
Oregon.
unidentified
Yep.
josie glabach
But if you get caught crossing state lines with your marijuana, you're in trouble.
tim pool
What?
josie glabach
It's federal.
unidentified
Yeah.
josie glabach
Because it's because of the federal laws against marijuana.
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's ridiculous.
josie glabach
Go between two totally legal states.
But if you're crossing between them, it's insane.
Something I think Thomas Massey, he's working on that with maybe marijuana, but definitely with raw milk because it's the same thing.
clint russell
Interstate clause has like been the death of freedom.
josie glabach
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Really?
I assume there's value to it in certain circumstances?
clint russell
If someone could point them out to me, I'd love to.
ian crossland
You can jail a lot of black people.
clint russell
You can catch a lot of runaway slaves.
There you go.
Honestly, I don't know.
I don't know.
tim pool
Am I wrong?
unidentified
Doesn't West Virginia have medical... I swear, there's one in Charlestown.
tim pool
Isn't there a medical marijuana place?
unidentified
Am I wrong in thinking that?
ian crossland
I thought it was not legal at all, even medically, but I'll check it out really quick.
josie glabach
Medical's legal in Florida, right?
clint russell
I don't smoke weed, so I don't even know.
josie glabach
I feel like I've seen a... I feel like I heard it wasn't, or they were working on it, but then I feel like I've also seen distribution centers.
tim pool
I've seen a building there.
unidentified
I've seen a building in Charleston.
That's why I'm asking.
clint russell
I actually didn't know that.
ian crossland
Yeah, signed into law April 19, 2017.
Medical cannabis law.
I'm going to read about it.
tim pool
We're gonna start winding this down, but I just want to say one thing.
We're going to be doing another new show.
Poker podcast.
Poker with the boys.
And the girls.
Poker with the boys.
Maybe we'll literally call it Poker with the boys.
We got a casino nearby, a Hollywood casino, and I play there almost every weekend.
Not poker, just table games and stuff.
The idea is you get a little bit of money and you go there, you get drinks and stuff, and you hang out with your friends on the weekend.
And I just gotta advise everybody, you don't go to a casino to win money.
You go to a casino to give money away.
Like when I go to Dave & Buster's and I spend $100 on that arcade card, I don't expect to get anything back.
Same thing's true for a casino.
Don't go there thinking you're gonna make money, you're gonna lose your money.
But I've been playing Hold'em recently and then someone suggested we do our own poker show.
Because it's basically just people hanging out talking shit and laughing.
clint russell
It's the greatest.
tim pool
And I was like, that's super easy, super fun, and okay, let's do it.
So we got a pro poker table coming to the new studio with an in-table shuffler and all that stuff.
We need to find somebody who's like good, maybe like semi-pro, former pro, or am or someone.
And then I guess the bigger deal is Clint Russell?
Well, how far away are you?
clint russell
Florida, dude, I don't know.
tim pool
That's too far.
So we played, during the Super Bowl, we played like a zero stakes game.
Everybody just got some chips, and then we all played.
And it's like, you know, one person went all in on the first hand with king seven, and I had trip queens, and I'm like, bro, what the fuck are you doing?
And they were like, that wasn't you.
They were like, I don't know.
And I'm like, okay, well, it's like.
clint russell
No, you gotta get real players, dude, that'd be fun.
tim pool
At least people who know the basics of playing.
clint russell
What would be sick too is if you could fucking show the whole cards.
tim pool
I know.
clint russell
That would be rad.
tim pool
You gotta.
ian crossland
We gotta show the whole cards.
tim pool
That's a lot harder to do.
clint russell
It is but like if you just had steady cams for the eight players or whatever like you could just have them up but then you couldn't have a screen there obviously.
tim pool
No, what we would have to monitor.
I mean, you pinhole camera.
So the table's really nice to pro table, but there's no, there's no raised rail for cameras.
So we could, you know, you could do something where you, you, you put the glass and then the card sit on it with the cameras underneath it.
clint russell
Yeah.
That'd be killer.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's what I've been finishing the whole time.
tim pool
You would have to to make it a poker show.
Otherwise, it's a podcast hangout.
clint russell
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
But if you could see people's cards.
clint russell
I mean, it would just it would bring in both the people that just want the dope, like Joe Rogan experience conversation, but then also the World Series of Poker thing, like hybrid Tim.
Oh, come on, man.
tim pool
You know, I got to say to like some people have actually played with me, like I've seen people at the casino and they're like, oh, shit, fucking Tim Poole.
Cool, man.
And I'm like, we play.
clint russell
And they just feed you money.
tim pool
No, I mean, one guy crushed me.
clint russell
Oh, really?
tim pool
But a lot of them, you know, I will be at low stakes.
I pretty much make money fairly easily.
But it's really weird playing on the World Series of Poker app.
Do you play on it?
clint russell
I haven't in years.
tim pool
So fucking weird.
Look, I'm not going to go lose money at a casino.
Anybody who watches this show knows what kind of person I am.
The first thing I did was Google search Hold'em, basic strategy, basic rules, card hand strengths, everything I needed to learn, positions, names of positions.
I'm like, I'm not going to show up and just be like, duh, and put money down.
To a certain degree, I understand I gotta learn, I gotta experience the game.
And so, I learned a lot of basic stuff, pre-flop ranges, you know, post-flop strategy, things like that.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
Go to the local casino, and I'm like, wow, I'm winning a lot of money.
This is kind of easy.
Nobody bluffs.
I play online, literally nobody plays.
It's just, it's the weirdest shit.
clint russell
When I'm playing- Well, it's because they're all pros.
tim pool
On the World Series of Poker?
clint russell
No, that's true.
Well, are you playing high stakes or?
tim pool
So it's a non-cash game, right?
Oh, interesting.
But no one raises pre-flop ever.
And I was like, it's the weirdest thing when you're in a table that's like a 200, it's arguably a $200 buy-in when you need a certain, like if you're gonna buy chips in the game, otherwise you earn your way up to the high level tables.
But I'm just like, I'm playing and I'm like, okay, so I've got suited connectors, And it's, you know, medium to high range.
I'm going to do three, three big blind rays.
They all freak out and they're like, what a fucking asshole.
I'm like, what?
I'm raising.
clint russell
Cause you're probably dealing with like a bunch of retirees and fucking Boca Raton who are just like, we're just like, why are you playing seriously?
We're just having fun.
ian crossland
They'll be looking for the right cars and they'll have like five or more games open at once.
And they're just like any, anything that derails from what they're expecting.
They'll just like, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
I don't like playing in the app.
ian crossland
I don't either.
I like seeing people's eyes.
tim pool
Well, the point I was gonna make is what's gonna be fun about this show is I'm the biggest shit talker at the table.
What's fun about the game is literally just fucking with people and talking shit and that's why I enjoy it.
clint russell
Hell yeah.
tim pool
So like one story I have is I was playing against a dude, I think he's a fan too, so shout out if he ends up hearing this.
clint russell
Nice.
tim pool
But I got a big, I won big off his stack with trips, more than one occasion, and he thought I was bluffing, he was like, fuck, got me.
So then finally, I'm like, all right, he wins against me with trips and takes a big portion of my stack because I fucked up, played bad.
And so then I'm like, all right, here's what I got to do.
The next time I get a good hand, I got to act like it's bad and then just overbet so that it looks like I'm bluffing.
So then I get dealt like ace king or something.
And then I'm like, oh no, this hand is very bad.
I better bet really big to scare him off.
And then he's like, uh, so I bet like 20 bucks.
And then he's like, okay, I'll call.
And then I'm like, here's the flop.
Oh no.
And it was, uh, the flop gave me the straight.
And then, uh, and then I'm like, oh no, that's the worst possible thing for me.
I'm going to bet very big so that he thinks that I'm bluffing and then folds.
And then I bet like 50.
clint russell
You're not saying this out loud.
tim pool
Yes.
That's literally what I'm doing.
That's the point.
That's why I think the show would be funny.
And then he's like, looking at me, he's like, are you fucking with me?
That's what I would have thought.
And then I'm like, uh oh, the, the, the turn is, is, is, is really bad.
It's even worse.
I better put more money in.
And then when the river came, it was clear that I had, I had the nut straight and I was just like, oh shit, I'm going to have to go all in.
Otherwise he's going to call me and I'm gonna lose all my money.
And then he sits there thinking for a second and he's like, I call.
And then I flip over the straight.
He's like, fuck, I thought you were fucking with me.
So that's the fun shit that I like doing.
clint russell
I used to play either six or eight.
It's like 15 years ago, but six or eight tables at a time online, offshore, you know, poker playing.
It was so fun, man.
It was such a good time.
And then all like the feds went after it.
They fucking absorbed all of our funds and it just kind of killed it.
ian crossland
I got breaking news from Jack Posobiec, who just tweeted out, who is this fool out here looking like Lard Biscuit?
And then it's a picture of you, Clint.
clint russell
Why the fuck?
ian crossland
I think because you brought him up on the show earlier.
clint russell
Oh, because I brought Posobiec?
ian crossland
Yeah, Pozo.
Pozo got weapons, man.
unidentified
You look tired in that photo.
tim pool
You know what we can do?
We can do, uh, maybe we do the poker show at the coffee shop.
unidentified
Yeah, we could.
tim pool
Yeah.
So we'll need to get another table excited.
I got one getting delivered, but that'd be really cool.
Third floor.
And then, uh, it's a non-buy.
Like the idea is there's no buy-in.
The idea would be more tournament style.
Everybody's given when you show up a set amount of chip value that you can play with.
And the goal is just to be the winner.
So it's not gambling.
And then we just, we play it, we film it.
Maybe we can get members even, you know, cause we're building the new coffee shop, third floor.
We can have gaming set up, podcast set up.
Let's do that.
All right, we're gonna wrap this up, and thanks everybody for being members.
This was one of the more fun members-only shows.
I'm really interested to see how tomorrow's new Culture War with Tim Poole show turns out.
It'll be up at 1 p.m.
youtube.com slash timcast.
And then we're going to put up clips from the show throughout the week.
The reason I want to do this show is that, as I mentioned, a lot of guests don't want to do news commentary, and I think we can actually generate news by interviewing high-profile guests who will say things that end up being news stories themselves.
So, Clinton Josie, thanks for hanging out.
It's been a blast.
josie glabach
Thanks so much.
clint russell
Absolute pleasure, brother.
Thanks for having me.
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