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Jan. 29, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| What we know. | ||
| Holy fucking shit. | ||
| Let me swear right when we start. | ||
| Right off the bat. | ||
| The Blue Anon conspiracy theories are the greatest fucking thing ever. | ||
| It is crackhead soap opera drama. | ||
| It is nourishing. | ||
| If a headline asks a question, the answer is no. | ||
| Did Matt Gaetz have an affair with a male staffer? | ||
| No. | ||
| So here's the story. | ||
| Rebecca Jones, this crazy lady, apparently she's like a liar, She said that she observed... Oh, that's the girl from Florida, right? | ||
| That's right, that's right. | ||
| She ran against him. | ||
| That's his political opponent. | ||
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Right. | |
| She's claiming she observed them in a moment of intimacy they thought was private. | ||
| Yo. | ||
| It's so weird to me that she thought a political attack would be Matt Gaetz's gay or bi. | ||
| It's like, first of all, literally don't care. | ||
| These people clearly do not know who we are and what we really care about. | ||
| Matt Gaetz stood up to the establishment and told an F off on numerous occasions. | ||
| Like, I'm not going to get mad that he's secretly hooking up with some dude that has nothing to do with anything. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| I'd be more mad that he was cheating on his wife. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, the only person who would be mad is Ginger. | ||
| I feel like that's when you talk about it. | ||
| Yeah, but she just made this shit up and the media picks up the story and they run with it because how stupid these people are. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| I think this is great, important journalism. | ||
| I think we need more of this. | ||
| No, it's obviously ridiculous. | ||
| I mean, the last time the media came after Matt Gaetz, I mean, two years ago, they were saying all kinds of horrible things about him, big sex scandal. | ||
| Of course, they never materialized any evidence whatsoever. | ||
| Then we come to find out that people from, you know, the FBI and the people that tried to extort Matt Yates and his family, they concocted the entire thing just to try and bring down Matt. | ||
| Have you experienced... I don't think anyone accused you of having a gay affair or anything like that, but have you experienced... Not yet. | ||
| The cycle's young. | ||
| Cycle's young! | ||
| No, but like outright overt lies. | ||
| Oh, certainly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We had all the typical stuff where they're like, this guy's a white supremacist. | ||
| He's a neo-Nazi. | ||
| And they made it very obvious, too, because when they wrote this expose about how I had ties to the radical right, their source document, I'm not kidding, was from Rose City, Antifa. | ||
| AP said, according to Rosa De Antifa, who tracks white nationalists, Joe Kent is a white | ||
| nationalist. And then the crazy, the chain reaction happens from there because then like | ||
| the New York Times, Polico, they all say, well, it's AP, it's the Associated Press. | ||
| How do you deal with that? I mean, look, I can understand what we do. | ||
| We kind of ignore it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you're running for office. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can you ignore it? | ||
| I mean, well, unfortunately, you can't. | ||
| I mean, a lot of folks that are in the I think that, you know, the right wing space, they're so used to it that they're immune to it. | ||
| But those those voters that you're trying to win over that swing elections, They want to hear your side of the story. | ||
| Now, the AP did make it easy for people who are willing to do the research. | ||
| I'm like, because everybody knows what Antifa is, where I live. | ||
| So I could say, hey, this is where this came from. | ||
| But they do have to be willing to do a little bit of work or come hear me out. | ||
| So unfortunately, you do spend a lot of time on a campaign having to address this nonsense. | ||
| So a lot of it is just a diversion tactic to kind of stall you and weigh you down a little bit. | ||
| You know what I would do if I was you? | ||
| As soon as they ran the story, I would immediately announce we're holding an end white supremacy rally. | ||
| Whoa, what's this story? | ||
| Oh, that's weird. | ||
| We're doing an end white nationalism story. | ||
| That's so strange. | ||
| Why are they saying that we support that? | ||
| We're literally working against that. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I actually had some of the Fuentes kids come out to my events to heckle me. | ||
| Because I at one point said, these guys are idiots like that, and they're disgusting, and nobody should have anything to do with them. | ||
| So he sent some of his trolls to some of my town halls to yell and make some noise. | ||
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The Gripers? | |
| The Gripers, yeah. | ||
| So at a time when they're like, Joe Kent's a neo-Nazi, I'm like, actually, the neo-Nazi kids are spending money and effort and resources against me. | ||
| So the hatred of me formed this alliance between Rose City Antifa and the Gripers. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| I was going to say, the neo-Nazis are like, he is not getting out of here! | ||
| I feel like, you know, the reason I wanted to talk about this Matt Gaetz thing is because, come on, man. | ||
| It's such the most stupid bullshit ever, but it seems like we have Long ago, got into the bottom of the barrel of political bullshit. | ||
| And now, they're scraping it so hard, they're pulling up wood chips. | ||
| We're about to hit dirt. | ||
| I think your average person that was politically aware, at least, during Donald Trump's presidency and since, I feel like they kind of understand that the far left, the activist left, Calls literally everybody white supremacists, literally everybody Nazis, I think. | ||
| I'm hoping that your average person has kind of picked up on that undisputable fact, but maybe it's just me being an optimist. | ||
| I'm just wondering where we go. | ||
| Is it going to get to the point where people just start saying shit like, oh, this candidate fucked the pig, and then people just go like, shut the fuck up, dude. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| That's the hope, I think. | ||
| That's the best outcome, is people just get tired Oh, that actually happened. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| and then they just start disregarding it. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But I don't know that that, I don't know that that means that they're gonna go | ||
| and find reliable information. | ||
| Oh, that actually happened, holy shit. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| British prime minister reveals he put his penis in a dead pig's mouth. | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, okay, David Cameron dismissed the claims about his pig fucking days as a university student. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| This was seven years ago. | ||
| Eight almost. | ||
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What? | |
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| My people are so strange. | ||
| The Brits. | ||
| I mean, there's David Cameron too. | ||
| He's a pretty big deal. | ||
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Yeah, he is. | |
| I thought this was a TV show. | ||
| That's why I was making a show. | ||
| That was like a Black Mirror episode, right? | ||
| Where you were like, I don't know. | ||
| They kidnapped the princess and then they said, you have to bang a pig, otherwise they're going to kill her or something. | ||
| Inspired by true events. | ||
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No, I'm just kidding. | |
| That line definitely says this is what the pig fucker looks like. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Right above the pig screen. | ||
| In case you didn't know, here's what the pig fucker looks like. | ||
| I wonder if they have a favorable opinion of David Cameron. | ||
| Tell us what you really think. | ||
| I'm curious. | ||
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That's so crazy. | |
| It's funny how they say this is basically the pilot episode of Black Mirror. | ||
| Yeah, it was, wasn't it? | ||
| Yeah, I believe so. | ||
| I thought about it and I was like, that was the thing, wasn't it? | ||
| Oh yeah, Black Mirror. | ||
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That must have been... Wow, what the fuck? | |
| This is so gross. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just kind of feel like we're done. | ||
| I was wrong to even bring up the Medicaid story. | ||
| It's like we're already well past that. | ||
| To be fair, this was seven years ago. | ||
| We had to pick something current to lead off. | ||
| You know what the real issue is, though, is that young people are inexperienced and exploited by Democrats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when Vosh was on the show, I like to bring this point up. | ||
| I said, look man, how could you vote for Joe Biden? | ||
| We know what he did as VP. | ||
| We know about the corruption. | ||
| And he goes, I was in high school. | ||
| I don't know anything about that. | ||
| And I'm like, holy shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like, so you're, I totally get it now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they want to lower the voting age too. | ||
| Explains everything. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Democrats rely on stupid people. | ||
| So when they come on and say Matt Gaetz is banging some dude, I go, shut the fuck up. | ||
| But then these people are like, whoa. | ||
| The real story is probably a little more complex and the actual solutions for the problems probably are not the feel-good solutions that people are hoping for. | ||
| So it's easy to get people that are politically inexperienced to vote for you if you tell them, no, check it out. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| Just give me give me your vote and I'll get you all the good. | ||
| Well, so this is the alternate scenario. | ||
| Then the question for you is how do you get people who are smart to believe you and people who are stupid to trust you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's the, that's the question. | ||
| I mean, I feel like the smart people are actually fairly easy to get, like, cause they'll put in the work, they'll do the research, they'll come ask you hard questions. | ||
| And, you know, I feel like most of those folks are, are gettable. | ||
| And then there's the ideologues on the other side who are just never going to vote for a Republican. | ||
| Like they're not gettable, but there's all, I think there's a lot of people out there who are legitimately, You know, they've got too much going on in their lives. | ||
| Maybe politics doesn't interest them. | ||
| And that's where stuff like this, this saturation bombing of negativity that especially the left specializes in, it does sway them. | ||
| Because maybe they don't believe. | ||
| If they read the Matt Gaetz headline, they'd be like, no, that probably didn't happen. | ||
| But if they keep hearing negative things about Joe Kent, about Matt Gaetz, I mean, that does play a role. | ||
| And that's why it's challenging. | ||
| That's why we spend so much time fundraising, because that's how we fight back. | ||
| Man, that's crazy. | ||
| And the Democrats have a massive narrative machine in the corporate press, but they also have organizational power that Republicans just don't have. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
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| You know, I think a lot of it is Republicans for a really long time were playing a completely different game than Democrats. | ||
| doesn't emerge for a few years. | ||
| Like why are the Republicans so consistently behind organizationally and technologically? | ||
| You know, I think a lot of it is Republicans for a really long time were playing a completely different game than | ||
| Democrats. We said, hey, we're going to have the best candidates. We're going to have the best messages. | ||
| We're going to get out there and we're going to earn people's votes, gosh darn it. | ||
| And you know, that works with a certain percentage of people. | ||
| And the Democrats were like, cool story, bro. | ||
| What we're going to do is we're going to go put ballots in people's hands. | ||
| And then we're going to control how those ballots are adjudicated. | ||
| And so their ground game is spectacular. | ||
| It's fucking evil. | ||
| We're going to offer them the world as well. | ||
| The Republicans are going, we need to convince as many people as possible to vote for our guy, we need good policy, and the Democrats are like, we need to alter the laws to make sure we can fill out as many ballots as possible. | ||
| Fuck actually convincing people, just get the numbers. | ||
| And when they have to convince people, it's only emotional, right? | ||
| I feel like Republicans spend a lot of time, maybe honorably, being like, here is why my policy makes sense, and here, whatever, and they're like, Trump is going to ruin our country. | ||
| Trump wants to take away your women's rights, and this, that, and the other. | ||
| It's just fear-mongering. | ||
| But it wasn't even that with Trump. | ||
| It was just like, isn't Trump nasty and gross and ugly? | ||
| Like, yeah, he is nasty, gross, and ugly. | ||
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Fuck Trump. | |
| Would you believe he said this? | ||
| Have you seen that he's been divorced a bunch? | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| But it wasn't actual. | ||
| What the Democrats did with Trump was all they were really saying was be like me, be like me over and over again. | ||
| Because the points they bring up, no one actually cared about. | ||
| Like, did you know that Trump had five bankruptcies? | ||
| Like, no one gives a shit about his bankruptcies. | ||
| Trump had over 500 companies and five went into bankruptcy. | ||
| And then the Democrats came out and said, look at all these bankruptcies. | ||
| And then all these activists were like, Trump, and they're posting memes. | ||
| I'm like, none of them actually know or care about whether or not Trump's business succeeds or fails. | ||
| They're just virtue signaling to each other. | ||
| It's safe to ignore when communists talk about bankruptcy. | ||
| It's very safe to ignore them. | ||
| Fair point. | ||
| But then when they actually go through Trump's financials, it's like, this is the only guy that's ever been a president that lost money. | ||
| I suppose maybe if you go back in time, you know, a couple hundred years, you might find some of the early presidents who were very, very poor. | ||
| Not a modern president though. | ||
| We have a Trump, Trump lost millions of dollars during his presidential term, his tax returns show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they're all like, we got his tax returns and they release them. | ||
| And it's like, Oh, Trump lost a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| $20 million a year or some shit. | ||
| It's funny how that story kind of died. | ||
| As soon as that information came out, the story just dropped off. | ||
| Well, they tried running it, but everyone kind of realized, like, you realize it makes Trump look good, right? | ||
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Exactly. | |
| He sacrificed for this country and destroyed his fucking life. | ||
| I don't know where we go if this is the case, though. | ||
| If, like, the media is willing to entertain this absolute psychotic garbage, I suppose the issue is it gets clicks, right? | ||
| Newsweek's probably thinking, like, yo, you know, we can get some people to click on a story if we write this bullshit. | ||
| They're like, it works for TMZ. | ||
| We can do it too. | ||
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There's just totally unsubstantial to claim this is not Gates' first affair, nor is it his first with a man. | |
| There's nothing to back it up. | ||
| Says the person who opposed him politically. | ||
| Just his political opponent just saying it in a tweet. | ||
| It's like, okay, okay. | ||
| Didn't she serve time in jail too? | ||
| I think she's about to go to jail. | ||
| Because she just made up a bunch of fake bullshit. | ||
| And then Democrats are like, we're the party of fake bullshit, so we'll follow this. | ||
| Which is exactly why I love George Santos. | ||
| Oh man, what's up with that guy? | ||
| What's his deal? | ||
| So last night, a reporter by the name of Natalie Johnson, she met up with him at some place and got a selfie with him. | ||
| And it's the best selfie that I've seen in ages. | ||
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Where is it? | |
| I'm trying to find it. | ||
| I lost it here. | ||
| She was out and people were giving her crap. | ||
| And I'm like, that's the best idea. | ||
| There's a little, little video of it and everything. | ||
| She's, uh, he's just out partying and being awesome. | ||
| And I love it. | ||
| I love the guy. | ||
| I know there are people all upset with him. | ||
| I think it's hilarious. | ||
| He conned his way into Congress. | ||
| Did he really though? | ||
| Because I hear the media accusing him of lying, but like, I don't fucking trust the media. | ||
| Not that I trust Santos either. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I want him to have lied his way in. | ||
| The stories are hilarious. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Is he really a drag queen? | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Wouldn't they like that though? | ||
| Wouldn't that be good? | ||
| She took a picture while they were playing I Will Survive intentionally as his karaoke song. | ||
| There's a photo that people claim is Santos as a drag queen. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I've seen even like centrists posting it. | ||
| And I'm just like, I can't tell that's him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like drag queens covered in makeup and a costume. | ||
| It could be any anybody. | ||
| Well, and I feel like all of this is just bigger because he's become sort of a political talking point. | ||
| Like Hakeem Jeffries, when he wrote to McCarthy and was like, you need to get Swallow and Schiff on the committee and it's important. | ||
| He was like, how could you give George Santos committees and not these guys? | ||
| Like, it's just a quick shorthand way of saying like, you favor your own people and we don't like them. | ||
| It's sort of pointless. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| Like cuz I don't know it like, you know, I called my Twitter handle is Tim cast made it in 2009 and Because it was just like broadcast Tim cast Is that a common thing people do cuz like I'm seeing tons of people do that and I'm wondering if they're just copying off Me or copying off of you. | ||
| It is like Krazen cast. | ||
| It's like the real everybody does like the real Joe now because Donald Trump did the real I think you did get the casting going Yeah. | ||
| I didn't think it was anything. | ||
| When I took the name, I was like, Broadcast. | ||
| Timcast. | ||
| Well, Seamus started it with the Shimcast, right? | ||
| He's been ripping off your brand for a while. | ||
| I just saw this when I was looking at Rebecca Jones, Krazencast. | ||
| And I was like, is that derivative? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Are they doing that because it's like... Bring them back on and make them answer for this. | ||
| You know, we had the Krasensteins on and the thing about them was that they just didn't know anything. | ||
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No. | |
| I was surprised. | ||
| They were rarely even dark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They had no information. | ||
| They're like, oh, we don't know anything about that. | ||
| So you're familiar with the Krasenstein brothers? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We had them on and when I started going off about Ukraine, the Qatar Turkey pipeline, Gazprom, which I do often, they're just like, We have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I'm like, so you don't know the reason why we're at war in Ukraine? | ||
| And they're like, well, because Russia invaded. | ||
| I'm like, well, why did Russia invade? | ||
| Because Putin's bad. | ||
| Because Putin's bad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because Putin's an evil guy. | ||
| And it's like, it's because they want a land bridge to Crimea. | ||
| It's because the U.S. | ||
| wants to offset the gas problem. | ||
| Gas monopoly. | ||
| That's why the Brits probably blew up Nord Stream 2. | ||
| We assume it may be Britain. | ||
| We don't know for sure. | ||
| Certainly wasn't Russia blowing up their own fucking pipeline. | ||
| That makes no sense. | ||
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No, not at all. | |
| But the media tried to sell that story so intensely, like, Putin is so evil, he'd blow up his own gas pipeline. | ||
| Sometimes I'm just like, I wish I could be evil, because holy fuck would it be easy. | ||
| You don't even have to know anything, apparently. | ||
| But knowing everything, it would be so much easier. | ||
| Because then I could actually be like, ain't nobody's gonna be able to argue with me because the sophistry is way up, you know, above the level, man. | ||
| Don't you think there are people that actually think that? | ||
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That are doing that right now? | |
| That have realized that and are doing it? | ||
| The Young Turks, maybe? | ||
| That's, yeah. | ||
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Good point. | |
| There's no way, like, they've taken so many videos of mine and then lied about what I was actually saying. | ||
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True. | |
| You can't, you can't accidentally do that. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Not to mention when they made the video where they said Tim Pool's ugly. | ||
| And it's like, wait, what? | ||
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It's the equivalent of this article over here from Newsweek. | |
| We talked on TimCastIRL about how conservatives tend to be more attractive. | ||
| There's like five prominent studies in the past ten years that say conservatives are more attractive. | ||
| And the segment we were doing was talking about privilege. | ||
| I said a person who's attractive goes through life and has it easier. | ||
| They assume then, if life is this easy, anybody can do what I did. | ||
| And people who are ugly have it harder and think, life is really difficult, we have to band together and fight oppression. | ||
| Thus, you'll get this natural bias emerging. | ||
| They cut all that out, took a clip of me just being like, conservatives are naturally more attractive, and then they called me ugly, and started shit-talking my appearance, and I'm like, okay, these people are fucking evil, man. | ||
| I'm ugly and I'm not tall, and I'm still a rock star. | ||
| I mean, hard work, perseverance, talent, the willingness. | ||
| Hard work. | ||
| The number one factor in success. | ||
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Hard work. | |
| Perseverance. | ||
| It's not even necessarily hard work, but for the most part, it's the unwillingness to give up. | ||
| No matter how smart you are, no matter how talented, how attractive, how tall, how short, as long as you don't give up, you become successful. | ||
| All That Remains was a band for like eight years before the record that put us on the map came out. | ||
| Eight years. | ||
| So how did that happen? | ||
| Break that down. | ||
| What were you doing for eight years? | ||
| Working at a gym or something? | ||
| No, I was working odd jobs or working in the mall and stuff and doing part-time jobs and put out a couple records and just got in the van and destroyed my credit and did everything that bands do. | ||
| I lived in my mom's basement. | ||
| We wrote a record that Put us on the map in my mom's basement. | ||
| And then the next record we wrote in my mom's basement is the one that was the first platinum record that we got. | ||
| But it was because we never quit. | ||
| We just kept doing it. | ||
| There was never a time where I was thinking, I want to make this my job. | ||
| It's just was I'm in I'm a band guy. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It was it wasn't like I want to do this. | ||
| It was like it's a life. | ||
| This is just what I do it to me. | ||
| It didn't seem like there was like you didn't think about I want to do this. | ||
| You were like, I just got a camera and I'm bummed out about this stuff and I want to make, you know, make videos about it. | ||
| It's it's not like There was a big plan for All That Remains to do this and be this successful metal band and stuff. | ||
| When I started, we weren't playing stuff that was ever going to get played on the radio. | ||
| No one was thinking, oh, you're in a heavy metal band that maybe you'll have hit singles. | ||
| That was never even on the table. | ||
| That didn't even become an option until 2008. | ||
| We'd already put out four records and stuff. | ||
| So it really does matter. | ||
| If you're working on something and You're getting down, believe me. | ||
| I have been as down as down gets. | ||
| We did our first tour, came back, and our drummer broke his arm, and our guitar player, we kicked him out, and then our bass player quit. | ||
| I had to build the whole band, and that all happened within a two-week period. | ||
| Had to rebuild the whole band. | ||
| So, don't quit. | ||
| Just keep working. | ||
| What else you got to do? | ||
| Says the guy who's running for Congress again. | ||
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He's like, I'm back at it, don't worry! | |
| Don't overthink it. | ||
| Just keep going. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, what was it like for you? | ||
| My understanding is that you didn't get enough support from the establishment. | ||
| Is that a lot? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So we, I mean, we had a hard-fought primary. | ||
| I took down a 10-year or 12-year incumbent. | ||
| She had $10 million they spent against us. | ||
| Nobody thought we were going to win. | ||
| I mean, Matt Gaetz is one of the only sitting members who endorsed me because that would be most of the party wouldn't endorse against an incumbent. | ||
| But we took her down and we outworked her. | ||
| We knocked on 130,000 doors, did 300 in-person town halls. | ||
| So, but at the end of the 300? | ||
| in person town halls. So but at the end of the 300 Yeah, 300 | ||
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Yeah, 300. | |
| but but yeah, cuz it was two year campaign essentially. | ||
| So we just hit it hard and that really resonated with people. | ||
| We were hitting it hard. | ||
| And so at the end of the primary, we had to spend pretty much our entire war chest. | ||
| We raised $3 million. | ||
| No PAC would touch us. | ||
| So that was all from people giving us, you know, 10, 15 bucks here and there. | ||
| But we arrived in the general election after a bloody primary with With no money. | ||
| And the conventional wisdom coming from the RNC, the NRCC, was that, hey, this is a Republican seat. | ||
| You're already the congressman. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| And we were like, no, I don't think so. | ||
| And then the incumbent I took down, unfortunately, she decided not to endorse me. | ||
| The party stayed fractured. | ||
| We have a really late primary. | ||
| So our primary is in August. | ||
| The ballots get mailed out in mid-October. | ||
| We didn't have the resources at the time. | ||
| And so the Democrats smartly were like, you know what, the Republicans just beat the crap out of each other. | ||
| Like we can come in here and we can probably pull this off. | ||
| And so they marshaled all their resources around one candidate. | ||
| Do you have a primary coming up next year? | ||
| August 24th. | ||
| Is the old incumbent coming back to come for you? | ||
| I don't think that she will, but if she does, she's not going to be able to get the support. | ||
| She doesn't have a compelling case to make. | ||
| She got taken down when she was an incumbent on the Appropriations Committee with $10 million and some dude beat her. | ||
| You know, and so now it's hard for her to make that case. | ||
| So I don't think she'll come back. | ||
| I mean, we're really trying to keep the Republican Party in the district united, which I think most folks realize that we weren't able to do that. | ||
| And if we want to flip the seat, we've got to be united. | ||
| How does the party feel about that? | ||
| Are they, like, on board with the strategy? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I feel like they are. | ||
| Like, 22 was disappointing. | ||
| Everybody wanted the big red wave. | ||
| And so one of the big hard lessons learned was that we need to, especially at the end of the primary, we've got to unify. | ||
| And if we don't, the Democrats just exploit it. | ||
| Because you don't see the Democrats have these internal fights. | ||
| I think it's healthy for us to have them sometimes. | ||
| I think the process that played out with that Matt Gaetz letter, I think that was very, very helpful. | ||
| It showed the American people just like, hey, the Republican Party, like, They're actually out there, they're having these hard conversations. | ||
| But yeah, I think the unity's gonna be key, especially our local parties, our county and our state party. | ||
| They're 100% behind flipping the seat. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Your story's making me think of Edward Durr. | ||
| I just pulled a story. | ||
| He's a commercial truck driver from New Jersey who like unseated an incumbent and he spent like $150 and it was mostly on Dunkin' Donuts for like people who, he just went door to door and passed out flyers and was like, you should vote for me. | ||
| And like, I think There is a certain level of boots on the ground work that really is effective. | ||
| They can hand people a lot of ballots, but if you have already put your name in their mouths, it's different. | ||
| I haven't met a ton of politicians, but the handful of them that I have met, when you meet them, they if they win, they tend to be very charismatic. | ||
| Even people that I disagree with, like or whatever. | ||
| It's like if I've met them or whatever, it's like you're like, all right, I see why people can get behind that | ||
| person. | ||
| I met Glenn Beck and I know he's not a politician, but like meeting him for just like a brief second. | ||
| And he looks you in the eye, the handshake. | ||
| It's like you're the only person there. | ||
| And I've heard people talk about Bill Clinton that way. | ||
| And and there's a few other people like you. | ||
| If you meet successful politicians, there is something about them That makes them extremely charismatic. | ||
| And so getting in front of people and pressing the palms and shaking the hands, like that stuff pays the bills, man. | ||
| I mean, I noticed this, too. | ||
| If you think about general pop stardom, some people just exude this attractive force. | ||
| One hundred percent. | ||
| For whatever reason, for whatever reason, you know, some people like to think about Taylor Swift. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like she could she could Chicken balk. Yep | ||
| And people are gonna buy that album and they're gonna give her whatever she wants cuz they just want to see her for | ||
| whatever reason Our guitar player Mike Martin is the he is he is the most | ||
| unassuming kind of dude like bald head shaved head not like Doesn't know not flashy | ||
| He kind of stays in the back when we're playing on stage. | ||
| He doesn't do a whole lot of playing to the crowd and stuff. | ||
| But when people meet him and start talking to him, he's the guy in the band that people remember the most as, like, I want to talk to him. | ||
| He's the guy that people are like, what's the crew? | ||
| What's Mike doing? | ||
| Are we going to get lunch? | ||
| Get Mike. | ||
| Those kind of things. | ||
| And you can't You can't put a finger on it. | ||
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No. | |
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
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It's weird because- X-factor. | |
| Yeah, they're just some people you're drawn to. | ||
| Yeah, he's not like a pretty man. | ||
| He's not an attractive guy or whatever. | ||
| Like, he's a normal looking dude. | ||
| Trump- But there's something about him that people just want to | ||
| talk to him and be around him. | ||
| Trump has more than any other human ever. | ||
| For whatever reason. | ||
| It's not charisma. | ||
| He has charisma. | ||
| But it's attractive power. | ||
| I'm not saying he's attractive. | ||
| I'm saying he has some kind of gravitational force where even the people who hate him can't stop looking at him being like, I can't stop looking at him. | ||
| I fucking hate him, I fucking hate him, but I can't stop looking at him. | ||
| I can't stop. | ||
| He has main character energy, as the Zoomers say. | ||
| I guess that's it. | ||
| We're in a simulation and Donald Trump is the main character, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| People can't stop looking at him. | ||
| How do you generate that kind of energy, I guess? | ||
| That's what you need to win an election, you know? | ||
| I know, yeah, we do. | ||
| I think getting out and being authentic is the biggest thing, because people want to see the authenticity, like they're kind of sick and tired of the canned talking points and all that. | ||
| You know, people will say things like, he's not presidential. | ||
| It's like, Gavin Newsom is not presidential. | ||
| Why? | ||
| He kind of comes off plastic and generic, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, plastic is exactly the word I think of. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But neither was Joe Biden, so they figured out how to fix that. | ||
| But Joe Biden, this is going to sound really cruel, but he won his seat in the Senate when his family was going through a really big tragedy, right? | ||
| His wife had been in the car accident, his daughter had died, his son. | ||
| He got sworn in standing next to his son's hospital bed. | ||
| Maybe he is plastic in personality, but he was a memorable launch into American politics, and in a way that is really sort of, I mean, heartbreaking and tragic, right? | ||
| I can't imagine what that's like. | ||
| And I think in some ways that had altered the trajectory of his political career. | ||
| And then you hear the stuff about the trains, like, I don't get why he's so obsessed with trains. | ||
| He rode the train back and forth to Delaware. | ||
| But then you hear the other part, which is like, to be with my kids every night from Washington. | ||
| I would hope it's authentic. | ||
| I don't know at this point. | ||
| But he made himself someone you remember with this backstory that he built in tandem with his political career. | ||
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True. | |
| A lot of plagiarism on Joe Biden's part, you know. | ||
| A lot of his life wasn't real. | ||
| You know, when you take the best parts of other people's lives and you tell other people that's your life, they tend to like you. | ||
| That's the Instagram method, right? | ||
| I remember when Friendster came out and, you know, Myspace and all that. | ||
| Do you remember those? | ||
| Myspace, yeah, definitely. | ||
| And I would see people post these photos that made their lives look so fucking awesome. | ||
| And this was early on and people would be like, You know, I learned this really quickly. | ||
| It's like, their life is nothing like that. | ||
| That was one photo for one second of their day where in the morning they got up and sat on their couch, drinking a coffee in their boxers, watching TV. | ||
| And then like, they went out to the movies and took one photo with their friends and it looks like they're on this great adventure outside and it's like, then they said peace out and went back to sitting on their couch in their boxers. | ||
| Yeah, I like, there was this influencer I followed, not followed, but she had a blog and she faked going to Disneyland for her birthday. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Photoshop photos like she was home. | ||
| She even to her family. | ||
| She was like, yep I'm having this super cool adventure so glamorous and like it's all a Manipulation and then she wrote about it and was like I I didn't go anywhere Like I made it up because like your life is a lot more. | ||
| I'll tell you what's creepy. | ||
| Is that Actually, I just pulled up Instagram. | ||
| I don't want to click this because not it's gonna keep showing me this garbage What time would you think about that photo? | ||
| I don't know, that girl seems uncomfortable. | ||
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Why? | |
| Can you see it? | ||
| Oh, is that an AI? | ||
| Is it real? | ||
| It's AI? | ||
| It looks like it's AI. | ||
| I follow a couple AI people that are completely fake. | ||
| Pop Culture Crisis, our pop culture show, talked about this, where there are several major influencers that are completely developed by marketing companies, and they're fake people. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| And people follow them. | ||
| That makes me crazy. | ||
| Of course there are influencers in the world who are completely fake, right? | ||
| But I also think that at least they're human, right? | ||
| I'd rather have a human person faking it than an actual fake person existing. | ||
| Dude, these photos all look fake, but they're like... But is it fake or is it... No, like an AI human, not a real person. | ||
| There's a ton of them out there. | ||
| It's crazy that we've gotten so conditioned that the fake people are more appealing than the real people. | ||
| This might be a real person, I can't tell. | ||
| I mean the other thing is because a lot of people photoshop their photos or face tune them, their photos start to have the AI effect without it actually being AI. | ||
| That's what I was worried about with all the filters. | ||
| At least this is when deepfake was coming out where everyone was doing all the filters. | ||
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If everyone was doing filters over their face, eventually the deepfake is going to be really difficult to tell from reality. | |
| You're not going to be able to differentiate deepfake from filter covers. | ||
| Yeah, it's like they're ruining all the sense-making, you know, methods that we have. | ||
| And then to your point, like when you actually go, you have a town hall, you meet someone in person, like that is what they actually remember, right? | ||
| If you're only, especially people who are like really busy, whatever, they spend a lot of time on social media, like those fake human interactions fade away in comparison to interacting with a real human. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, we're fucked. | ||
| Young girls are already getting depressed because they don't look like Snapchat filters. | ||
| They're getting plastic surgery to look like Snapchat filters. | ||
| The craziest thing, man, is to see so many young women, plastic surgery. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Tim, do you know who Vocal Distance is? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Do you ever follow, do you ever read his thread about the simulacrum? | ||
| About, like, a strawberry? | ||
| No. | ||
| So back, like, he has this big long thread, and I'm not gonna go through the whole thing, but essentially what he said is like, imagine back in the day, A hundred years ago, a kid has a strawberry, right? | ||
| That's a strawberry. | ||
| Then take that same strawberry and then you extract the juice and sugar out of it and you concentrate it and you put it into a candy and give it to the kid. | ||
| And it's the strawberry on 10. | ||
| And then you take that, you take that candy and then you put it into a soda drink with caffeine and with extra sugar and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And then, and it gets to a point where the kid doesn't know what a real strawberry tastes like. | ||
| And what's going on on Instagram is Especially with young ladies, it is becoming basically a simulacrum, an imitation. | ||
| A copy of a copy of a copy. | ||
| But it's a sexualized thing. | ||
| Girls aren't girls, they're girls that are scantily clad and they're face-tuned. | ||
| And they're virgins! | ||
| That's the funny thing. | ||
| Increasingly, young people are not having sex. | ||
| So you're having all these hyper-sexualized young women on OnlyFans, but they've never had sex. | ||
| There was a viral video where a woman who was arguably attractive was saying things like, I don't have any friends. | ||
| I stay at home all day. | ||
| I've never had a boyfriend. | ||
| And it was like, she was like an influencer with a shillet of followers and like an attractive young woman. | ||
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Bizarre. | |
| I was just gonna say that the most significant proof of what you're talking about is Kylie Jenner, who told all the girls that she followed, no, I don't have lip fillers, no, I don't have lip fillers, I just overline my lips. | ||
| She's a billionaire for a makeup company. | ||
| She profited off giving girls something that is completely unrealistic and being like, but if you just overline your lips with my specific products, you too can finally have this look. | ||
| I mean, it's crazy. | ||
| Remember the glass jar thing they would do? | ||
| Kylie Jenner challenge? | ||
| Yeah, they would suck their lips or whatever. | ||
| What have I done? | ||
| You know, the thing that sucks is a friend of mine, like there was a girl that I'd gone on a couple of dates with and she committed suicide earlier this year. | ||
| And she was one of those, you know, she was a, her name was niece and she was an Instagram, you know, and she had had some challenges with mental health, obviously. | ||
| And there was one of the posts she put up like right before she passed away. | ||
| She put up a picture of herself that she had photoshopped and then her in the same spot without the Photoshop and the difference was so slight. | ||
| And it really bothers me when I think about it because she was really pretty and she was really cool and she just had the worst self-image. | ||
| There's a story I covered today where this 37-year-old woman was like, I don't recognize myself anymore. | ||
| And it's funny because what we're seeing is the normal process of aging for women. | ||
| Now they're talking about it amongst themselves publicly for everyone to see, whereas they used to just not do that. | ||
| A woman would be 37 going there and be like, I'm getting crow's feet. | ||
| Now they take pictures of themselves every single day. | ||
| They take their highlights and their Photoshops and put them as their profile pictures. | ||
| And then one day they look at their picture and look in the mirror and go, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| That's not me. | ||
| And they're starting to lose it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if I am just gonna sound like the old guy here, but I feel like I'm probably older than you. | ||
| The social media, I'm 42. | ||
| I'm older than you! | ||
| Are you? | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| Tell me if I'm super old. | ||
| I mean, I feel like the whole social media thing, it's really affecting the way people communicate with each other. | ||
| Because I feel like there's a difference when I talk to like really young folks, like the zoomers or whatever, just going door to door and getting out there more in the community and talking to folks that are, you know, 20, 25 years younger than me. | ||
| I feel like there's a difference between 20 year olds and me. | ||
| The communication is just, it's not there. | ||
| I didn't, I don't feel that way about the millennials. | ||
| I don't know if that's because it's one removed. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I feel the same. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just the, the basic social interaction stuff of like, hi, how are you doing? | ||
| Oh, I'm doing fine. | ||
| Good. | ||
| More like those types of things. | ||
| It's just, it's quickly fading. | ||
| And I think a lot of it's because of the, just the, the Instagram culture or the lockdowns. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Texting, cell phones, social media. | ||
| It's the lack of looking people in the eye. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're not communicating with humans. | ||
| Humans are weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Avatars for your online entity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we're gonna we're gonna get this one up. | ||
| So I don't want to go too late. | ||
| But so I'll just hard segue wrap up. | ||
| Joe, thanks for hanging out. | ||
| It's been a blast. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And for everybody who's a member, thanks for helping support our work making this possible. | ||
| And we'll see y'all next time. |
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