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Jan. 19, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Elon Musk DECLARES WAR On World Economic Forum w/ DC Draino
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luke rudkowski
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unidentified
So good old Mr. Elon Musk has been ragging on Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum
tim pool
quite a bit lately.
And he's ramping things up, putting up a poll saying, should the World Economic Forum control the world?
And so I dig it.
I like Elon Musk speaking out against these people.
Apparently he claims that he was invited and he didn't want to go.
It sounded boring.
They're claiming now that he was never invited.
But anyway, you got all these elites lining up their private jets, flying into Davos and
then lecturing us on climate change, claiming that you in fact are the problem.
So these are nasty people, but we'll talk all about that.
And then something else came up because someone super chatted right before we started about
Bank of America.
I don't know exactly what's going on, but I saw some videos where people were saying
that money disappeared from their accounts.
And then Luke was mentioning that he was having weird issues with Bank of America as well.
And so I'm like, is there a story here?
Or is this like, I don't know.
So I'm gonna have to look into this one.
Cause it sounds really crazy.
I watched this video, this guy's in the branch saying like, where's our money?
And everybody is like, yo, they're saying our money's gone.
That's creepy.
Especially considering you got the World Economic Forum basically saying that there's going to be a major cyber attack or cyber event happening soon.
That's the next big thing.
So it's kind of like, you know, I'll take their word for it, considering who they are and what they do.
I'll take their word for it.
But a bunch of other stories.
Greta Thunberg got arrested the other day.
I want to talk about that.
And then we got Matt Gaetz wants to abolish the ATF.
That sounds fun.
So we'll get into that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole bunch more is DC Drano.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Thank you for having me.
It's an honor and a privilege.
tim pool
Who are you?
rogan dc draino ohandley
What do you do?
So I am a former Hollywood entertainment attorney that talks shit on the internet now, mostly in the form of memes, but I also just got back my Twitter after two years of being suspended.
Thank you, Elon Musk.
And so now I'm doing it on Twitter as well.
tim pool
Interesting.
And then are you able to talk about what's going on with you on Twitter?
rogan dc draino ohandley
Yeah, so when I got banned in 2021, early 2021, I got this really mysterious phone call from someone.
They're like, hey, hit me up on Signal.
And I'm like, okay.
And they're like, you're on a list.
And I'm like, yeah, I assume I'm on all the lists.
And they're like, no, no, you're on a government list, code orange, you're talking too much about election stuff.
And I'm like, okay, well, I mean, 81 million my ass, I'm going to keep talking about it.
And, sure enough, a couple weeks later I got banned for election misinformation in February 2021.
And then Judicial Watch came out with the results of a FOIA request that showed that the state of California was emailing Twitter saying DC Drano is spreading election misinformation.
I am a licensed attorney in the state of California and they shut down my free speech.
I brought this stuff to Harmeet Dhillon and Ron Coleman.
They took on my case.
They even put it in their non-profit Center for American Liberty, so they're actually paying a bunch of the costs.
And we have been suing for a couple years, and we're in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, and we're awaiting our decision.
We had our hearing.
And so all these Twitter files, that is actually something that we've known about for a couple years, and we're actually in the pipeline.
So I'm very optimistic.
tim pool
We should get into that if possible later on in the show.
Thanks for hanging out, man.
We got Luke.
luke rudkowski
Hey, guys.
Lots of talk at Davos about banning red meat.
That's because they want you eating Bill Gates' moobs creating GMO seed oil fake meat.
So that's why I decided to wear my brought to you by fake meat t-shirt that you could exclusively get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com, soon to be unbanned on Instagram with the moobs.
So we're very excited about that.
You can get the shirt on TheBestPoliticalShirts.com because you do.
That's why I'm here.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
Well, I'm Ian Cross, and also happy to be here.
Just realized DC Drano is the actual Drano to unclog the drain in the swamp in DC.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Thank you.
ian crossland
I've just been seeing DC Drano for whatever reason I hadn't clicked like that.
Like, oh yeah, duh.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I had my name on my Twitter when I got it back, and then I did a poll.
I was like, do you guys want Rogan O'Handley or DC Drano?
And it was like, overwhelmingly, we want DC Drano.
I was like, okay, fine.
ian crossland
Gotta give the people what they want.
Do you want to go by Rogan?
Do you go by Rogan on the show, basically?
tim pool
Funny story.
Cassandra sends me an email and she's like, hey, we're going to have Rogan on the 18th or whatever.
And I was like, what?
She was like, yeah, he's going to come by.
And I was like, really?
I was like, I'm surprised you didn't hit me up.
unidentified
Yeah, that Rogan.
rogan dc draino ohandley
My full name is Rogan O'Hanley and I was searching some hater comments on Twitter recently and someone wrote that Rogan O'Hanley is an old Gaelic term for a sad handjob.
unidentified
Wow.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I just thought that was very clever.
ian crossland
Does Rogan mean sad?
serge du preez
Is that?
rogan dc draino ohandley
Well, first off, there is no such thing.
ian crossland
Okay.
rogan dc draino ohandley
But I did think it was clever and I posted it on Instagram.
tim pool
Right on.
We got search pressing buttons.
serge du preez
Yo, what's up guys?
At search.com.
Hope you guys are well.
This will be a good show.
I'm excited to meet a fellow Hollywooder always who left and kind of got, like you said, radicalized out of what they want you to think.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Yeah.
serge du preez
Looking forward to it, man.
tim pool
Let's jump into this first story.
We got this from TimCast.com.
We got a couple things actually.
Quote, unelected world government.
Musk further comments on World Economic Forum meeting in Davos.
Would be great if someone could compile a game contest of who said the craziest stuff between 4chan and the World Economic Forum.
I love it.
He recently put up this Twitter poll.
So if you guys are on Twitter, you can go click that no button.
The World Economic Forum should control the world.
Yes, no.
1.6 million people said, I voted, and 13%, so we're looking at like 200,000 people, said yes.
ian crossland
You know what, I've been thinking a lot about World Economic Forum lately, and Klaus Schwab obsessed with like stakeholder capitalism, shareholder capitalism, evolving the system, the economic, and I'm like, you know what he's missing out on is statehood.
Like statehood comes before your economic system.
Statehood is a concept that exists without economics.
And Klaus is obsessed, all he focuses on is economics and the economic structure of things.
He's missing out on the political structure of things, which is, I think, paramount, is that we have statehood.
We have local government, where you have decentralized structures of authority.
That's key.
luke rudkowski
You're missing the point.
That's not what they want.
They want centralization.
They want all the power in their hands.
They don't want statehood.
They don't want sovereignty.
They don't want independence.
They don't want you being proud of where you're from.
They want to break you apart.
They want to play a larger divide and conquer agenda as they take everything else for themselves.
Because how else would they be able to get as rich as they are without them running larger Ponzi schemes on everyone else inside of the Not only the United States, but the entire world.
And the conversations happening at Davos, I've been paying attention to them.
They're creepy.
They're out of the 1984 Orwellian hellscape.
You can't even imagine the horrors that these people are describing.
And they're cheering it on, talking about like, it's going to be incredible when you guys don't have any red meat.
When you have mandatory requirement of making sure that you are reporting your carbon emissions, making sure that there's going to be regulations on speech, regulations on bitcoins, there's going to be global cyber attacks, there's going to be, you know, major attacks against free speech, and they're like, yeah, this is great, this is awesome, we need central bank digital currencies, we need Uh, places where you can't leave, where you're gonna be stuck in with 15-minute sustainable communities.
This is absolutely crazy what they're doing and they deserve to be countered because their policies are becoming law.
Who are these laws serving?
tim pool
What's a 15-minute community?
luke rudkowski
So they're testing this actually in the United Kingdom right now.
It's where you're going to need permission to cross over from one neighborhood to another, where everything is 15 minutes inside of your community.
So you don't need a car, so you get to walk or you get to ride around in your bike.
To have a car and go from one community to another, you're only allowed a certain amount of times to do that.
Then you need government permission in order to just travel in your car, and the main idea is to keep you in a prison, to keep you in a grid where you are stuck, and this is a pilot program that's going to be happening in a major UK town in just a few years from now, that they're going to be instituting with surveillance cameras, artificial intelligence, facial recognition, plate reading cameras, making sure that you are essentially living in a prison.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but this only affects poor people, right?
So, you know, the rich people don't gotta worry about it?
Is that...
luke rudkowski
Well, it depends how rich.
Are you in the club?
Are you sacrificing?
tim pool
Trump's not rich enough, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Exactly.
rogan dc draino ohandley
So now they like borders.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
A lot of borders.
And they want more borders in order to control people better.
There's a reason Klaus Schwab says China is the model for the world.
That's because they've been testing a lot of their latest technocratic technology and enslavement of humanity in that country.
Now they're going to be rolling it out everywhere else.
tim pool
What's this Cyber 9-11 stuff they've been talking about?
They've been talking about that for a long time.
luke rudkowski
They had a war game a couple months ago where they actually worked with the Russian government simulating larger cyber attacks that were supposed to be happening on the world and how they would deal with that.
This is very similar to Event 201.
Where a lot of the very same kind of central players in COVID were talking about a pandemic situation that they were training for and drilling for right before COVID happened.
So a couple months ago, they're training specifically a drill called Cyber Polygon, where they specifically were doing these larger tests of what's going to happen when everything in our online infrastructure gets shut down and is weaponized against the people.
How are they going to be responding to it, this, as they're saying, and kind of foretelling that their next kind of bigger psyops, the next kind of bigger terrorist attack, is going to be online, is going to be digital, and is going to be affecting everyone, and potentially could have already started a couple days ago, especially what would happen with the FAA, with them essentially shutting down and not allowing airplane traffic for two hours in the United States, first time ever since 9-11.
tim pool
There's a cyber attack that did that, right?
luke rudkowski
Potentially.
We don't know yet.
We don't know the exact details here.
But I get riled up against this so much because the writing's on the wall.
They talk about this.
They brag about this.
They literally have all these articles and documents where they're like, yes, this is how we're going to implement this vision of you being a slave and us having all the power over you.
Sorry, you want to say something?
I'm going on a tangent here.
rogan dc draino ohandley
No, it's extremely important information.
They do like to tout it.
It sounds less like, hey, you guys should all watch out for this, and more of, hey, this is what we're planning to do next.
And we're just kind of troubleshooting the social effects.
And so it almost seems like, oh, Bank of America shut down.
Oh, FAA.
And they just, okay, when airlines go down, this is what they do.
When the electricity goes out, this one, there's no money, this, So they're catering to our responses, I believe.
And I actually tweeted about this.
I said, hey, WEF is talking about a cyber attack and the governments are talking about it, but when we bring it up, they call us conspiracy theorists.
And Elon actually responded to the tweet, and he just wrote under it, startling.
ian crossland
Yeah, man, that's what you ultimately, I don't know if it's unhackable, but you need systems outside the system.
Like, Klaus, this top-down authority thing doesn't work with statehood.
You can't make it happen when local authorities have control and communication and delivery of goods.
Like, if you have drone delivery services, like, we can get Jeff Bezos' Amazon to create, like, an orbital drone delivery system along with Elon's Starlink.
I think we're really talking about some sort of freedom.
luke rudkowski
Well, their enemy is statehood.
Their enemy is nationalism.
Their enemy is pride in one's country.
Because once you get rid of that, you could allow people to be internationalists.
Because when you destroy a nation for the personal benefit of the few, these people don't care about the United States.
They don't care about the Constitution.
Contrary to a lot of people's beliefs, they hate the Constitution.
They hate that people have the First Amendment and the Second Amendment.
And they're doing everything in their power, they're manipulating people as much as they can.
They're doing so many underhanded things in order to make sure that the rule of law, the Constitution, the most important rights that are extremely rare in human history, are obliterated and destroyed.
That's exactly what they did in China.
And what they didn't China is what they're going to be doing to the rest of the world very soon because a lot of their policies that they call for are literally being implemented slowly and surely look what happened to a Sri Lanka they complied that was another major test of the compliance system Sri Lanka had a 98% ESG social credit score.
World Economic Forum saying Sri Lanka is going to be the best country out there.
What's happening to Sri Lanka right now?
Energy shortages, the schools are shut down, businesses are shut down, energy rationing, government taxing every little aspect of your life.
But they have diversity.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Are you talking about California?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
This is their planned destruction of our life, and this is why California, this is why New Zealand, this is why Australia, this is why the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and Sri Lanka are all adopting the same policies at the same time, top-down centralized control of the demolition of the entire Western world.
That's what we're seeing right now.
It's serious, and the implications here are going to be very severe.
ian crossland
I think we were talking a little bit before the show about the King of England and his ties to the World Economic Forum.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I'm not too super He's one of the early kind of co-founders of the World Economic Forum and you'll see him, it's actually kind of interesting when they bring him on stage, I don't know if you guys can find the video, but they put like the fleur-de-lis behind him and it's like a crown over his head right when he's speaking.
He is, I think that the WEF, I'm very confident, is his way of expanding England's imperialist intentions through the back door.
They're like, oh, we don't need to put redcoats in every country, we just need to control the top players in government, media, and business, and then we can have a lot of control.
You know, King Charles, or Klaus Schwab, he talks about how we have people in the Canadian parliament, and in the Canadian cabinet, and New Zealand, and Canada, New Zealand, and Australia are all constitutional monarchies ultimately subject to the authority of King Charles.
And which three countries were the most oppressive during the COVID lockdowns?
With the mandatory vaccines, with, you know, vaccine passports, It was those three countries.
tim pool
Australia had concentration camps.
ian crossland
China, really, I think.
But the thing about China is they're so locked down.
rogan dc draino ohandley
We didn't know any countries.
tim pool
Remember when those three kids escaped from that Howard Springs facility?
And then all these woke people were like, no, no, no, it's not a concentration camp.
It's just for people who are sick.
And they're posting bikini-clad women looking all happy.
Meanwhile, three Native, like, indigenous Australian kids, like, threw burlap sacks over the barbed wire and tried to climb out and escape because they were forcefully relocated.
luke rudkowski
And they had checkpoints because of that.
They literally locked down entire cities looking for these three kids, which were a danger to society.
They were imprisoning people and putting them in quarantine camps because they had disagreements and arguments with police officers who were just sick of someone and said, you know what?
You tested positive, even though they did not.
And those photos are actually from the Olympics.
And a lot of the Australian Olympic team were using that facility previously before, and that's where they got all the pictures of all the hot bays.
But essentially, it was just a camp that the government detained you for as long as they wanted to, without you having any kind of recourse.
tim pool
This is an important point to be made, though.
Look at what happened with Claire Lehman from Quillette.
She was this free speech advocate.
Living in Australia, then Australia goes full Death Star and she immediately falls in line and says, it's all okay.
Everything they're doing is completely fine.
You're all wrong.
That's how quickly, you know, some of these people's integrity holds up.
rogan dc draino ohandley
If you ever wanted to know what it's like, what you're going to do when tyranny takes over, you just found out the last three years.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
rogan dc draino ohandley
How you responded.
That was the greatest psychological operation ever conducted on humanity in the history of the world.
And if you, Went through that and obviously, you know, if you didn't get the jab or if you resisted the mass or whatever, you know, pat yourself on the back because that's quite impressive.
I think America, I think they're actually, I think we actually achieved a huge victory.
And I do want to give a lot of credit to the Canadian truckers.
They set the wheels in motion, but I think they're like, crap, we still had, despite all that, despite trillions of propaganda, 30%, 40% of Americans did not fully comply.
And it's probably going to be worse the second time around.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
It was like an inoculation.
For me, it was.
tim pool
The rat hope experiment.
We've talked about it.
You familiar with it?
rogan dc draino ohandley
No.
tim pool
Dude takes three cylinders full of water and some rats, puts the rats in the cylinders.
They swim for 15 minutes, then give up and die.
He then takes another group of rats, puts them in the cylinders,
unidentified
Hm.
tim pool
they swim for 15 minutes, give up, but then he grabs them and pulls them out,
dries them off, lets them rest, puts them back in.
The second time they swam for 60 hours.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Oh.
tim pool
Because when they had hope, they said, well, I'm not going to give up.
The first group of rats were just like, I have no idea what's happening.
I'm tired.
This is it.
I'm done.
Second group of rats were like, I will be saved.
The hand will come back.
And they kept swimming.
rogan dc draino ohandley
That's the first time I've been appreciated being called a rat.
unidentified
That's crazy.
luke rudkowski
Now imagine the experiments that the CIA are working on right now that we don't even know about.
Probably with very similar situations, very similar circumstances, but instead of rats, they're probably doing it with human beings.
tim pool
That's what people think about the lockdowns.
The lockdowns were the first 15 minutes and then everybody started to lose their minds.
Then they, okay, everybody, we're going back to normal.
Everybody come back out, come back out.
They're going to re-lockdown.
So the hypothesis goes, and this time they're going to be like, don't, don't worry.
Just like last time, we'll, we'll lift the lockdown soon.
It's coming.
It's coming.
But people will go 300 times longer in lockdown.
ian crossland
I got a little bit of a different take from that, is that the willingness to resist and then their inability to enforce it is the hope.
That's us pulling ourselves out of the tank, realizing like, oh, you don't have to submit to this.
luke rudkowski
Personally, I just see things a little bit differently.
I don't think they're going to try to launch another kind of pandemic from here.
I think it's going to be digital.
I think there's going to be an attack on our infrastructure.
It's going to lead to a lot of chaos, and then they're going to come in and say, hey, it's dangerous to have an open and free internet.
We need to take control of it.
And that's the last thing, that's the last step that they need.
Fully controlling the internet, fully taking it over from people like Elon Musk and other individuals that are still allowing free speech, everything, and saying, this is now in our control for your safety and your health and well-being.
Just one more point before we move on to this particular story.
Robert Kennedy Jr.
actually just did a very fascinating interview that I just retweeted talking about how the central controllers, people at the CIA, during COVID weren't looking out for your best interest, weren't talking about and making studies and looking into how to help people, how to give them early treatments.
He goes on and talks about how the CIA used the The COVID-19 response to increase their top-down government, authoritarianism, and totalitarianism, and had this as an opportunity to run many psychological operations to see what they could get away with.
This is Robert Kennedy Jr.
Fascinating video, just tweeted about it on The4YourChange.
tim pool
I want to pull up this story because this is freaky stuff, man.
This is from ClickToHouston, NewsGuard certified.
They say, what's going on with Bank of America?
Social media users call out financial giant over missing money.
They say social media erupts from the everyday consumer to heavyweight political and business figures.
The financial giant's timeline was flooded with complaints in the form of posts and mocking memes.
One commenter appeared to ask the question that everyone seemingly wanted to know, what's going on with Bank of America?
Apparently they were trending after many customers discovered that money was missing from their accounts.
The concerned consumers shared their experiences online.
Dow Detector, a consumer website, reported the issues happening with Bank of America around 10.30am.
You want to know what's really funny?
I learned this lesson.
Very important lesson I think everybody needs to know.
Do you know what your bank account is?
Do you want to know what it is?
Do you know what it is?
ian crossland
My guess is it's a computer program.
tim pool
It's a text file.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's a text file.
ian crossland
.txt.
tim pool
The amount of money you have in your bank is quite literally just input text.
There's no cash.
There's no gold.
Literally nothing.
And I learned this the hard way, because I bought a truck and paid, we financed it,
and then after a few months, I went to pay off, like, I paid off the whole thing.
Three months later, I get a phone call, and they're like, we're gonna repossess your truck
because you never paid the bill.
I was like, what are you talking about?
I paid the whole thing off.
And they're like, no you didn't.
Both banks, my bank, which I did the transfer from, and their bank, said, we have no record
where this money is.
My bank said, when we do the transfer out, all we do is write minus the number, and press enter, and it subtracts from your account.
And then they confirm our subtraction, and they do the addition.
The problem was, the other bank didn't do the plus.
So the money vanished.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Disappeared.
ian crossland
That's where smart contracts are needed.
tim pool
Completely disappeared.
rogan dc draino ohandley
And they say crypto is unsafe.
tim pool
And then I said, where did the money go?
And they were like, we don't know.
And I'm like, I don't understand.
And then, you know, I basically had a guy say to me like, he didn't say it like this, but what do you think your money in the bank is?
There's no cash in there.
You do not have a box full of cash in a vault.
They quite literally just type a number and press enter.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's promissory notes.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, it's not.
It's not even a crypto.
Like, you think, with Bitcoin, there's an encryption key behind that Bitcoin.
It exists, you could hold it.
There's something there, at least, a string, a hash code.
With your bank, literal nothing.
The only thing that exists is the ledger itself.
And when the ledger doesn't reflect the actual transaction, it doesn't matter, because the other bank went, we don't know, we don't have the money, and my bank said, we don't have the money either, your money is just gone.
ian crossland
It's so hackable, that is so controllable, to think that these private companies have secret text files that have your money on it, that they can change at will, behind the scenes, or that someone else could hack it.
At that point, I do believe crypto's more secure.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Even though you could lose it and it could go to zero, You've got to diversify your assets, not necessarily in
just what you invest in, but having crypto, having cash in the bank, having cash at home, and like you
mentioned a few days ago, having gold.
I mean, when things go south, you want to have tangible assets just in case.
tim pool
I'll tell you guys a story.
When I was like 20, I think I was like 21, my buddy overdrafts.
And he's like, why did I overdraft?
This doesn't make sense.
What happened was in Chicago, there was this big scandal where the CTA, the public transit, was double charging people.
So we're broke.
He's got $30 in the bank.
He spends $20.
Then his paycheck comes in on a Friday.
He should have $180.
Instead, he's like negative $200.
And he's like, what happened?
Well, apparently what happened was the CTA double-charged him, putting him negative.
Then he got hit with overdraft fee, overdraft fee.
ian crossland
Bought a pack of gum for $2, $30 fee or something stupid.
tim pool
Right.
So then he accumulates all these overdraft fees.
His paycheck doesn't cover him.
He's trying to buy things.
He's getting more.
And then all of a sudden, he's negative.
I could be totally wrong about this because it's been 20 years, but I'm pretty sure.
We loaned the bank.
This is a crazy story.
And we're hanging out, and he sits down with this manager guy in a suit, and he says, he pulls up his bank account, and he's pointing at things.
He was like, look, look, right there, like CTA, charged me three times.
That caused me to go negative.
Then my paycheck came in, and the guy was just like, okay, okay.
He turns the monitor around, and then he starts typing stuff in.
He spins it back around, and it says negative 400, and he puts the cursor on the negative and clicks backspace, and then he says, how does that look?
And then my friend's like, uh, okay.
And then he was like, there you go.
And hit enter, did something.
And we were like, wait, what just happened?
Does he now have 400 bucks?
Okay, get this.
the bank closed down a few weeks later.
So I have to wonder, what may have happened was, this guy knew he was getting laid off, the manager,
and so he was like, screw these people, and just transferred money.
But I'm almost kind of like, was he screwing with us?
Because there's no way he can do a hard input and just change someone's account.
ian crossland
I think he can, they have discretionary, like a person on the phone can be like,
yeah, I'll overwrite your $35 charge, but they only have a certain limit that they can overwrite.
And then the manager is probably like $500 per customer per week or something you can... We used to be backed by gold.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I mean, this is a relatively... The last hundred years, central banks, Federal Reserve, I mean, I'm sure everyone watching has knowledge on that.
But I mean, there used to be when you said, hey, I'd like to take out money, they had gold to trade it in.
One quick note on the rat thing.
I actually misinterpreted it that, oh, they put them in, they'll last longer.
I think we, the people, would actually, like, if they're going to put us back in the tank, we just bite their hand a lot.
Like, I don't think I'd go back swimming in that tank for 60 hours.
tim pool
No, I think people would.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I think a lot of people would.
ian crossland
They want to get people to put themselves in the tank.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I think a lot of people would also be like, eh.
Think of how many people don't trust the CDC, the FDA, Big Pharma.
I was like, never like that really before.
luke rudkowski
If you trust the government now, you haven't been paying attention and you had your head in the sand for the last three years.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I didn't trust the government, but I thought at least the medical people were generally pretty squared away.
tim pool
Let's add the banking component into what's going on now.
There's a viral video of people in a bank and they're like, where's our money, right?
Think about what can happen if this cyber event is everyone's money disappearing.
What happens?
Everyone then calls the government and says, I want my FDIC insured, whatever.
And now all of a sudden you are on your knees in front of some government BS being like, please, sir, may I have another?
rogan dc draino ohandley
Please regulate this industry more.
luke rudkowski
Now we need a central bank digital currency.
Now we need a universal basic income.
And that's one of the perfect ways to implement it.
tim pool
They're going to come out and they're going to be like, we don't know what happened.
It was a cyber attack.
luke rudkowski
It's the Russians.
tim pool
The ledger's gone down.
It was Russia who did it.
What we're going to do is we're going to give everybody $5,000 in their accounts for the time being so you can have basic goods.
All the poor people are going to be like, yay!
And all the rich people and all the middle class people are going to be like, my life is being destroyed.
rogan dc draino ohandley
We need to put in a new Patriot Act, but this one's going to have a dollar sign after it.
Patriot Act for money.
ian crossland
What do you guys think about... Patriot Act gold.
I think that the central bank digital currency that they're talking about doing is probably going to happen at some point and it'll probably usurp the dollar or become part of the dollar and like a dollar bill will represent as a token.
But what do you guys think about like a United States decentralized crypto like Bitcoin but like just backed by the United States government?
totally decentralized. What does that mean?
tim pool
They're like backed by the threat of being drone bombed?
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly. Because I was like, what would I say to Congress? Like,
how do we fix the economy? I'm just grasping at straws, but obviously...
tim pool
Our money used to be gold, but now it's the threat of being blown up.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Literally. And it's all, you notice everything is drifting electronic, right?
So California is kind of like a predictor of things to come in terms of the leftist agenda here.
They want your car to be electric.
They want your stove to be electric.
They want your money to be purely electric.
Why?
Because you can control things that are electric.
serge du preez
Yeah, you have the grid.
I wouldn't say drifting.
I would say it's like, you know, hellbent.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Careening?
serge du preez
Yeah, careening is a better word.
ian crossland
So maybe instead of it being backed by force, it would just be like, you can buy American goods with this cryptocurrency in addition to the US dollar.
The USDT?
Yeah, something like that.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I think by the dollar, they have to have dollar reserves.
ian crossland
That's tethered, like literally, I think that's a stable point.
Yeah, that's tethered, yeah.
It stays at the exact value as the dollar.
But I think it would take off and become more valuable than the dollar, just because it's digital.
Then the power could always go out, and then you're back to basics, where that's why cash, you could never, I don't think you ever should get rid of cash, ever.
I imagine they'll try and put those, what do they call those little barcodes on each dollar bill?
serge du preez
QRs?
ian crossland
QRs, or I'm talking about the little metal strips that they put in your credit card.
They're printed from foil, but they can magnetically measure where you're at and all that, track you.
luke rudkowski
Well, there's also a war on cash, and many places already have stopped accepting it, and many businesses as well, and they don't have the exact change for it.
Well, I think, I don't know, I have to look into that, but there's a better idea.
There's microchips that you could shove up, you know what, and then you have to be, you know, tracked, and it's inside of you, and they'll know that it's going to be your transaction, and you have to be probed every time you want to use, you know, the money, and then they know exactly it's coming from you to whatever else you're buying, and then they have a perfect record, and then they'll know exactly how many taxes you have to pay, they'll know exactly what you're buying, they'll share it with all the big corporations that will know your consumer activities, which will help them Sell you better products.
ian crossland
But what's the libertarian solution? Because the US dollar is a real
status thing. Like, you can go to Wyoming and buy groceries at a grocery store
there with the US dollar because the American military
is like, you better, or we are in control and everyone is using the US dollar here.
luke rudkowski
There's a reason libertarians and the Ron Paulers have been screaming
about the dangers of the US Federal Reserve for so many years.
If you look at Ron Paul, even before the major financial problem, one of the things that he was making arguments against is the Federal Reserve printing money out of thin air.
This was before 2008.
It has been a staple position of many Libertarians, of many anti-statists saying, hey, this creature from Jekyll Island is a Big problem.
Because they could literally create inflation, they could create deflation, but they know what's going to happen, so they could game the market, so they are always the winners, and you will always be the loser.
And this is what they've been doing for decades on decades on decades, and this is why the libertarians have been talking about this, because you get rid of that central bank, just like Thomas Jefferson did, that he gets put on the $20 bill, but you get rid of that, you allow people to have more freedom, and you're not controlled by the whims of banksters.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about this controlled opposition.
I got this tweet here from Chairwell that says, Peter Thiel bashes Greta and the autistic children's crusade in his address at the Oxford Union, blaming environmentalism for some of the greatest crises of our time, Andy Wei reports.
That's a bold statement from from Peter Thiel about Greta.
It's interesting, though, because, you know, what's what's Peter Thiel's deal?
I mean, isn't he like a Davos group or no, he's not he's not that stuff.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Probably was former Davos.
I mean, I think he's kind of old school Silicon Valley, right?
When Silicon Valley started, these guys were like tech libertarians.
Like, we're giving a voice to the people and then money and banks and all that got involved.
You know, I was going to say to your point, there's three things you can't audit.
The Federal Reserve, our elections, and the DOD budgets.
tim pool
So we got Greta Thunberg, which is, I guess, what?
Blanket-controlled opposition.
Fairly obvious to anybody.
She doesn't protest in China.
She protests the West, which is doing everything in its power to get rid of carbon emissions.
Peter Thiel comes out and bashes Greta, calling it Greta and the Autistic Children's Crusade.
But this guy, I thought, you know, I know Peter Thiel had some good opinions, but I thought he was like Bilderberg.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Well, I mean, he just sponsored JD Vance and Blake Masters for Senate, which I think is a testament to him.
I was at a Blake Masters fundraiser in Miami at Peter Thiel's house, and he gave a quick speech.
And I was admittedly like, I was like, wait, Peter Thiel is like a Silicon Valley guy, Facebook, like, come on, I'm not.
And his speech, which, you know, early PayPal was great, current PayPal sucks.
ian crossland
Early PayPal was amazing.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Yeah.
And his speech blew me away.
Three minutes, and I was like, ooh, he's a good guy now.
And I think we've seen that with Elon Musk, with, you know, Joe Rogan, like these guys, they're kind of getting more and more emboldened with Tim Pool.
I think he said, we have about three years left to save America from a communist takeover.
ian crossland
Peter said that.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Peter Thiel said that.
luke rudkowski
I mean, he has a very- Last year.
We have two.
He has a very interesting career, especially what happened with BuzzFeed, especially him being ousted by them and then kind of getting retribution through Hogan.
Him coming out and supporting Donald Trump, especially during the RNC, was pretty ballsy too, but he has a very interesting kind of career.
He's also with Palantir with Alex Karp, who was at Davos today, specifically talking about how he is a progressive helping the intelligence agencies And working on AI technology that will help track down Russians in the battlefield, but also giving this technology to the U.S.
intelligence agencies and how a lot of progressives should be happy that he's doing so because he's stopping a lot of right-wing terrorist attacks.
But that's Alex Karp, another Bilderberg member, who's working with Peter Thiel on Palantir.
I talked to Peter Thiel twice at Bilderberg already, and he is a Bilderberg steering committee member.
So, there's a lot of mystery there.
There's still a lot of questions.
I would love to have a bigger discussion with him.
He's kind of a little mysterious figure, but I think definitely there deserves to be a bigger conversation to be had with him, because he's interesting.
tim pool
I agree, too.
And, you know, look, we're doing the whole coffee shop thing, the cafe, skate shop, physical location stuff, and it's particularly inexpensive relative to Other businesses.
Like, setting up a coffee shop is not as expensive as setting up, like, a media company.
I bring this up because I wonder, with Peter Thiel being worth, what is he, like, two billion dollars, I'm genuinely curious.
I'm not saying he's doing nothing, but I'm wondering if he really feels this way about how we got three years to save this country, what is he doing?
And again, not saying he's doing nothing, I'm genuinely curious, like, what are his approaches and strategies with all of his resources to try and save this country, if he even is?
rogan dc draino ohandley
I've only seen what has been public.
I mean, you know, kind of Bilderberg, he was on the Facebook board, right?
And you would think, oh, that's bad because Facebook is very censoring and they kicked the President of the United States off.
But it's also kind of good because we want some representation on that board, too.
So, you know, there is a kind of a flip side to it.
All I can attest to, I'm not a Peter Thiel expert, but he did back those two Senate candidates.
I think he was the second or third biggest GOP donor.
He recognizes the time in this country where we're at, and I imagine he'll be a big supporter in 2024, but I don't know fully what his plan is.
ian crossland
The Palantir thing's interesting.
It's basically spy tech.
It's like new, 21st century spy tech.
From what I know, I know very little about it, except that it is spy tech.
luke rudkowski
I just want to make a correction really quick.
It wasn't BuzzFeed.
It was Gawker.
ian crossland
Where he worked?
luke rudkowski
I apologize.
No, with Peter Thiel and the Hogan lawsuit.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, right, right, right.
luke rudkowski
So I apologize.
I misspoke.
I made a mistake.
ian crossland
What was that lawsuit, to clarify really quick?
tim pool
Gawker published a sex tape of Hulk Hogan, the Hulkster.
Yeah, and it was so brutal.
They should not have done that.
And but they were like, oh, it's what we do.
And Peter Thiel then funded the lawsuit.
And it's because Gawker outed him as gay.
Okay, but the thing that thing is, it's crazy is like, he does work around the world, he could be killed in some of these places.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, like the Middle East, especially, which is a huge danger to them.
And it wasn't a newsworthy story.
It was a gossip story that they tried to, of course, herd him over, which was, again, ridiculous.
But sorry, a big thing that people need to discuss, because they have a big presence in the intelligence community, and the intelligence community, the FBI, the CIA, depends on them a lot.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was advised, hey, Palantir, invest.
So I did.
I made like 10 times my money on the freaking thing in the beginning.
tim pool
Ian comes up to me one day.
This was like a year and a half ago.
unidentified
Before COVID.
ian crossland
It was like right around when COVID was beginning.
tim pool
Early 2020.
ian crossland
We were here.
tim pool
I'm in my front office.
And then you walk up and you're like, dude, my friends are saying, you got to buy a bunch of Palantir stock.
And I was like, I'm not going anywhere near that.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
I was like, when it comes to investment, it's not about what you believe in.
It's about what you know is going to make you money.
Unfortunately, sickeningly, I do that every once in a while.
You can get really rich really quick.
I sold it all.
But anyway.
I think what's happening is, I brought this up last night on the After Show, that maybe the CIA, the FBI, the NSA are the good guys.
And that we inadvertently have been cannibalizing ourselves.
tim pool
Is there a mute button?
ian crossland
It's only good relative to what else there is, the other options, which are the CCP, the World Economic Forum.
tim pool
So it's a whole bunch of evil.
ian crossland
So it's like the liberal economic order versus BRICS.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I think they are already bought out by the CCP.
I think the CCP is so embedded.
I mean, we already, oh social credit scores, we already have that.
Go ask someone like Laura Loomer or Alex Jones.
luke rudkowski
The CCP is the testing grounds for the elites to push a lot of their unpopular policies
to see the compliance levels that they want to bring to the West, to the Western world.
tim pool
And this is like, you know, Ian, I think you have the Twilight Saga view of werewolf and
vampires, whereas like the classical view is if a werewolf and a vampire are fighting
each other over you, it's because they want to eat you, not because they want to date
you.
And so like the way you're describing like maybe they're the good guys insofar as as
I'm like, yeah, that's like you're imagining sparkly vampires who are just like, I'm so in love with you.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I promise they're not.
The guys, the lower level people are generally good people working hard and want to bust bad guys.
The guys at the top are evil as corrupt as they can be.
ian crossland
Yeah, I guess he's not a modelist.
luke rudkowski
Alex Karp, the CEO of Palantir, had a lot of interesting comments today at Davos.
He was talking about how In-Q-Tel was one of the first kind of startups for a lot of these larger, bigger tech companies.
He was talking about how the CIA, the FBI, the DOD were all involved, and now how a lot of these bigger tech companies are more aligned to the West.
Because of that he was going off and talking about how they are creating algorithms at Palantir that are specifically used to quote target Russians on the battlefield and later he went on and said the US government has our software and uses it very aggressively.
That's Alex Karp today, CEO of Palantir at Davos Today.
Very eye-opening comments to say the least.
tim pool
I don't think anybody at the NSA is a good person.
Not a single one.
ian crossland
I just don't know them all, and I know companies aren't monoliths.
tim pool
The NSA is a Fourth Amendment-violating organization.
I agree with that.
There's no question.
Anybody at the NSA is like sitting there saying, I know we're in violation of the law of the land of this country, in violation of our oaths to uphold the Constitution, but oh well.
There's no circumstance.
ian crossland
Or they don't know.
unidentified
What do you mean they don't know?
ian crossland
If you weren't educated about the Constitution, you wouldn't know.
tim pool
That's called the banality of evil.
ian crossland
And then when they learn, they're like, oh, oh, oh, I'm not doing that anymore.
People will wake up.
tim pool
You ever see that family guy joke where there's a murderer in prison and he's holding a knife and he pokes himself and goes, whoa, is that what I'm doing to people?
I deserve to be in here.
Like, as if they don't know.
ian crossland
I don't know, maybe.
tim pool
Maybe, but it's just like, dude, look.
ian crossland
Your chicken poster just fell.
tim pool
Oh no.
It's an omen.
The NSA's listening.
They literally are listening.
ian crossland
It's not a poster, it's a painting, okay?
tim pool
It's a very nice painting.
I'll fix it in a second.
luke rudkowski
It's a Fed guy behind the wall with a glass, with a hearing glass.
tim pool
Listen, there were, you know, You know what, I'm not going to use Nazi Germany as an example.
Let's use Soviet Russia.
There were a lot of people working for the Gulag who were just like, look, I don't know what this guy did.
They told me he's a bad guy.
And his crime was that he said we deserve better.
There's a guy sitting in his apartment and he's like looking at how awful everything is in the Soviet Union and he goes outside and he goes, I think we deserve better.
And then, you know, the gulag guy says, go arrest him.
And then some low-level dude, some low-level dude goes, he's a criminal.
You know?
I don't know.
Is that a good guy?
No, he's taking someone and putting them in what we call the gulag.
luke rudkowski
Or the cultural revolution in China, where literally there was walks of shame against capitalists, against individuals who had private property, because those were the ones that were responsible for everyone's pain and suffering, and they literally humiliated them, tortured them in public squares with people cheering it on.
Those are order followers.
Those are back-to-blue people that should be questioned.
rogan dc draino ohandley
That's the exact same thing they're doing to the J6 prisoners.
It's the same thing.
You gotta go and bend the knee and say that you don't like Trump, you don't believe in what he was saying, and humiliation.
But we just had MLK Day, right?
Under Trump, they released a letter from the FBI telling MLK to commit suicide.
tim pool
I mean, this is what people have been saying, that the FBI is the one who killed him.
luke rudkowski
There's a civil court, there was a civil case in 1999 where a jury found the U.S.
government complicit in the assassination of MLK and the MLK family won that particular lawsuit.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Yes.
I'm going to take their word for it.
And so we have all this history.
Think of JFK and RFK.
They spied on MLK under the FBI.
The DOJ attorney general was RFK.
He signed off on it.
They have a picture of his signature.
The president was JFK.
These are the greatest civil rights Leaders of our time and they're the ones that spied on and told him to kill himself and then you know what they did?
Herbert Hoover was the director of the FBI.
They named the FBI building after him.
luke rudkowski
I just want to add to this.
Go ahead.
tim pool
I was gonna say they put Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
He hated the central banks.
luke rudkowski
And the FBI went further than that.
ian crossland
They make people worship the cross when that's the thing they kill them with?
luke rudkowski
But the Hoover thing is important here, because a lot of people are saying it was actually Hoover who was responsible for this, who had a lot of skeletons in his closet, and was allegedly also a crossdresser.
But the FBI did so many sinister things, especially under COINTELPROBE.
A lot of people don't even know this, but they had full-on disinformation Organizations and psyops running so people wouldn't organize together.
And what they did to the MLK wasn't just spying on him, wasn't just writing letters saying, hey, kill yourself.
They were watching his every move.
They knew that he cheated on his wife, took that information, and when MLK was in jail, they went to his wife and said, here's the evidence.
Here's the tapes of MLK talking to his mistress.
Divorce him.
That is just absolute evil.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Their number one tactic in a movement is to go in and divide it.
tim pool
I want to pull up this story from Fox News.
A lot of people were talking about this.
The video of Greta Thunberg getting arrested, sending Twitter into a frenzy.
Time for many of us to stand up.
And you got this clip where she's being carried away with a smile on her face and then I don't know if we, yeah we do have it here, people are saying it's staged because you can see her laughing and smiling with some guy as the cops are just standing there with her and then they eventually just walk away and she's not being carried.
I don't think it's staged.
I don't.
The cops were probably told, OK, get the protesters out of here.
I think it was staged insofar as almost all nonviolent civil disobedience is staged, as in protesters will call the police and say, hey, we're going to go here, we're going to protest, just so you know.
Then the cops say, OK, we're going to come arrest you and say, OK.
And then you get press.
But here's the real story.
The real story is that Greta Thunberg's friends attacked a bunch of journalists.
Look at this from Andy Ngo.
At the Autonomous Zone in Luzerath, Germany, militant leftists and antifa and climate extremists surrounded and attacked journalists.
These are Greta Thunberg's friends, huh?
This is something I think people need to bring up because I'm not playing these games.
We've talked about the banality of evil.
If Greta Thunberg is going to be associating with these people, if she's going to be organizing protests and inviting these people, and if she will not call this out, then she is complicit and she supports it.
ian crossland
I remember playing eco-terrorism in Civilization 2.
It was my first exposure as a young man to eco-terrorism.
And I was like, oh, these people are protecting...
tim pool
Civ 2?
ian crossland
Civ 2, you could create eco-terrorist characters.
Or it might have been the expansion to Civ 2.
tim pool
It had to be an expansion.
ian crossland
And you could create a character that was an eco-terrorist that could go...
And I was like, oh, they're defending the planet, but they're called terrorists.
These are good units.
I want eco-terrorists in my army because they're valuable.
And I'm like, wait a minute.
Why do they call them terrorists if they're protecting the Earth?
But I think Greta is willing to use violence or associate with people using violence because she thinks it's that drastic.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Look at the flag!
serge du preez
You see that flag right there?
rogan dc draino ohandley
That's the flag of violent leftist violence.
ian crossland
And I mean, hey, there are times and places that people have been destroying things to the point where you have to use violence to stop them from destroying it.
But I don't think that the global ecosystem is in that state right now.
tim pool
I'm not going to make a moral judgment on the protests.
I am going to make a fact statement.
Greta Thunberg's group violently attacked journalists.
ian crossland
Is it confirmed that they're all in the same group?
Were they just all there kind of disparately?
Disparately?
tim pool
What does that even mean?
ian crossland
Like they were all there of their own volition, didn't know each other, but some people were violent, some other people there being lumped in.
tim pool
There's one group protesting climate stuff.
ian crossland
Well, let's watch the video.
I didn't see the attack.
tim pool
You know, what game I'm not going to play is that these leftists have long done this, where they quote-unquote respect a diversity of tactics, and then they will all feign ignorance and reject responsibility for what they organize, which is violent attacks on journalists.
It happens all the time.
And then you'll get an organization, and it'll be called like, you know, Save the Planet.
And then when Antifa shows up and gets violent, they go, oh, well, they're not with us.
Yes, they are.
Otherwise, you'd have kicked them out.
Otherwise, when that one crazy dude showed up in Portland and started doing the Nazi salute or whatever, they threw him out.
And then all the woke media ran pictures claiming he was at their event.
It's like, yeah, getting kicked out.
They said, get the F out.
They won't kick these people out.
unidentified
They want them there to respect their diversity of tactics.
ian crossland
It concerns me, man.
Greenpeace, they would go, you know, sink boats and blow up Oil tankers?
tim pool
I don't think Greenpeace ever did that.
ian crossland
They destroyed bridges?
tim pool
They're pacifists.
I'm pretty sure.
I've seen eco-terrorists do that kind of thing.
Sea Shepherds are the ones that actually go and fight.
The French government bombed one of their boats or something like that.
I'm not saying Greenpeace are good dudes.
They will get water guns and they'll climb onto boats and they'll wave flags and do banner drops.
But I'm pretty sure Greenpeace isn't going around bombing anybody or anything like that.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Sea shepherds attacked at sea.
Vessels attacked.
So these guys are known as... Yeah, those are pirates.
serge du preez
Yeah.
ian crossland
Butt pirates for Earth?
For planet Earth?
serge du preez
Well, there's like a whole South Park episode about it.
unidentified
Did you say butt pirates, Ian?
ian crossland
I did say butt pirates.
Butt pirates for planet Earth.
serge du preez
Yeah.
ian crossland
Okay, so I still didn't see the the attack because I see a lot of social media posts that come up being like man Attacks dude in thing and I'm like, what did he do?
He got up in his face and yelled at him.
rogan dc draino ohandley
That's not attack Well, if you saw they're like threw down the smartphone that they're using to record they hear they kicked him in this video Yeah, kind of mild harassment stuff, you know That's one thing I give Antifa a little credit for is that they don't go too overboard They just kind of pepper spray and beat you up a little bit.
They don't actually shoot you or stab you and I You'll see the attack.
serge du preez
It's a person that no orange.
ian crossland
Dude with the.
Yeah, the dude in the orange is there.
tim pool
There.
Yeah.
serge du preez
See that camera throwing the gear kicking.
See that camera.
ian crossland
It's it's out of what happened before to the guy.
tim pool
Oh, come on, dude.
ian crossland
I'm asking.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
I'd love to see it.
tim pool
I you know, you know what?
The one thing I can say is if I was going to have any sympathy for Antifa, it's because we all are sick and tired
of journalists because like.
They lie for corporations, they lie for advertisers, and if it's not them, it's their bosses who do it.
I get why Antifa's mad.
They hate journalists because journalists lie all the time.
But I'm opposed to violence.
So, like, if Greta Thunberg wants to go to some protest and associate with this, then I'm going to call it like I see it.
That's her group.
I'm not saying she organized that group.
I'm saying she's with them.
ian crossland
So you think she has a responsibility to speak out against this right now?
tim pool
Absolutely.
Like, when that dude showed up in Portland, I forgot the guy's name, and he started yelling the N-word, they said, get out of here.
Like, dude.
It's tough, especially on the right, because the media will lie anyway.
And they will protect the left.
Right now, I assure you, Media Matters is writing something up where they're like, Tim Pool lies and claims Greta Thunberg is violent or something.
And that's the challenge.
But I'm not going to play any games.
If you are like, hey, everybody, meet me here.
And then a bunch of violent lunatics attack journalists?
And then you're like, don't look at me?
luke rudkowski
Put yourself in the reporter's shoes.
You're there to try to report.
Say you're coming from a good place, you're just trying to cover what's going on here because the corporate media is very sympathetic to what's happening here.
Al Gore is promoting Greta Thunberg today, right?
So you're there covering what's going on, and you got some people coming up, you don't know who they are, you don't know if they have weapons, start kicking you, slapping your camera, throwing you down, saying, get out of here, assaulting you, slapping you, punching you.
And whenever you put your hands on somebody, again, you shouldn't do that.
I covered a lot of different protests, faced a lot of different insane situations.
I got assaulted, I got jumped a couple times, I got beat up a couple times.
But the best thing that I saw was in Hong Kong where of course people there were protesting against the Chinese government.
The Chinese government was using fake press as a way to get photos and videos of protesters and then arrest them and ship them away forever.
What did the Hong Kong protesters do?
They didn't assault journalists.
They didn't beat them up.
But they figured out ways to kind of do their thing to of course have their face covered but also use umbrellas in a way that prevented any kind of conflict or escalations when they were changing into black blocks since they were using black block tactics.
They used it in a way to not force or hurt anyone but obfuscate their identity because there was a real threat for the Chinese government coming in and disappearing people.
And they did it in a way that we didn't need any of this nonsense, any of this kind of threat or assault of journalists, which we should always try to avoid and speak out against.
tim pool
Let's not lose sight of the irony of a flag standing for anti-fascism beating up journalists for covering their... Well, I love that there's a meme where it's like a leftist yelling, just because the Nazis called themselves socialists doesn't mean they're socialists, and then holding the anti-fascist flag and be like, of course we're anti-fascists.
It's in our name.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
I'll dig your word for it.
ian crossland
When you said the Hong Kong rebellion, what would you call that?
An uprising?
A resistance?
luke rudkowski
Well, the Chinese state was coming in and not keeping their promise that they had with the UK government that they were going to transition Hong Kong to China in a very slow way.
The Chinese government Did it in a very fast way and was, of course, also destroying a lot of key institutions in Hong Kong and a lot of the larger apparatuses and institutions that provided a lot of people liberty.
They were getting rid of that.
People protested and then there was a violent crackdown on the protests and it was just insane covering that situation because it was truly so much different than covering a lot of the Western protests that I've seen in Greece or in Paris or even inside of the United States where a lot of the things were were totally opposite each other.
ian crossland
I heard that they were putting crazy chemicals in, like, fire hoses with, like, blue ink and pepper, and they would spray it and stick it on your skin.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, sticks on your skin for a while.
ian crossland
And it makes you blue, so they know who's who.
luke rudkowski
I got hit with it a little bit, and I felt that stink for a very long time.
Some people were covered in it.
I just got hit with it a little bit, just covering the protest there.
I was there for some of the most violent, most insane interactions, where there was, you know, just people getting seriously hurt and dying on the streets.
tim pool
These American and European Antifa are spoiled little brats.
Go to Turkey, go to Brazil.
It was an experience when I was in Brazil, because Luke and I have both been pepper sprayed and tear gassed ad nauseum, literally, throughout the United States.
And it's like, you get gassed, it sucks, you cough, whatever, you get pepper spray, when you're taking a shower later it burns.
When I was in Brazil, I was like, oh, they're tear gassing everybody.
And then as soon as the gas hit me, like my nose and eyes just like mucus tears.
It was like 10 times more powerful.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
And it was just like your nose was just spraying mucus.
I took my sock off and jammed it in my mouth to be able to keep breathing.
And I was like, damn, it was bad.
Yeah.
In the United States, he was like the lowest tier irritant.
And it's just like... You know, other countries don't give a damn.
luke rudkowski
The reason I brought up... In Israel, especially in Gaza, they use like some very serious stuff.
Not just CS gas, but also there's like a skunk gun as well.
They use some next level stuff there, which is just crazy.
ian crossland
It concerns me that it's being tested on the The rioters, or what would you call them?
Protesters?
Okay, so you said they got black blocked.
They were dressing in black block in Hong Kong.
Do you think that was justified?
Were they violent?
Black block violence?
luke rudkowski
Depends on the circumstance and situation.
There was a couple instances where they stormed a government building.
They stormed Parliament.
There was also a couple instances where people were getting assaulted and beat up.
But not as much as, of course, a lot of the Western protests.
So there was that as well.
ian crossland
Do you think they were justified?
luke rudkowski
I don't think so.
I think anytime you try to use force and violence against someone else to enforce your ideas, you're losing, and you're in the wrong.
ian crossland
What about the American Revolution?
luke rudkowski
Well, that's a totally different thing.
That wasn't a protest, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, it started off as a protest in Boston Harbor.
luke rudkowski
But you have the right to defend it.
tim pool
No, no, no, hold on.
The American Revolutionary period was 20 years.
It wasn't just a protest in Boston Harbor.
There was a whole bunch of stuff going on.
There was the Boston Massacre.
People were being killed.
Soldiers were barging into people's homes and taking people's food and sleeping there.
And then the founding fathers wrote sternly worded letters for years to the king being like, yo, please stop.
ian crossland
Yeah, you could argue that the British were the aggressors in that.
tim pool
And the British were stopping US vessels on the high seas, kidnapping people and forcing
them into servitude of the crown.
ian crossland
So they were forced to fight, you could argue, but were they justified in their fight?
tim pool
Even after that, the US is...
is like, okay, we're writing this letter to the king, I'm done with this.
And it's like, bro, they've been kidnapping people from boats, and you're writing a letter.
It was pretty measured.
But we got breaking news that I don't even know how to address.
The Daily Wire has uploaded a video, our offer to Stephen Crowder, I guess officially confirming that Daily Wire is who Steven Crowder was talking about.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They put this up a couple minutes ago.
It's 52 minutes long.
We literally could not just play the video and watch it during the live show.
No way.
But I mean, it is what it is.
I mean, that's it.
luke rudkowski
What do the comments say?
Because that's usually how I get, you know, menus.
tim pool
We'll play some of it.
I don't know if I can just show YouTube comments.
luke rudkowski
Well, we can play it for two minutes, maybe.
tim pool
Let's play it for a couple minutes.
jeremy boring
Just launched a new initiative called... I'll start over.
All right.
Our friend Steven Crowder has launched a new initiative called Stop Big Con.
And in the video announcing the launch of the project, he talked about leaving the blaze and all the different offers that he fielded from other conservative organizations and what he thought were the real problems with those offers.
And that's led a lot of people to speculate about whether or not the Daily Wire is one of the people who made him an offer.
In particular, are we the ones who made the offer that he put up on the screen and talked about?
At length.
And the answer is yes, that offer did come from The Daily Wire.
I'm not trying to hide that fact.
I'm not ashamed of that fact.
In fact, I think it's a very good offer.
But I think there's a lot of sort of misconceptions about the nature of the offer, the nature of the points.
I think Stephen misunderstood a lot of the points.
And so, the way we do here at The Daily Wire, we're just going to be incredibly transparent, you know, that we We like to have our members be a part of the journey.
We live stream all of our company town halls, for example.
We just find that sunlight sometimes is the best disinfectant.
And so, with that in mind, I'm going to talk to you a little bit about how we came to be in conversations with Stephen, how those conversations ended, and walk you just line by line through what the actual document that we sent over.
tim pool
Well, I'll skip ahead a little bit.
We'll only watch a little bit, but I'll jump right to where we can see he's begun addressing the contract, and we'll look at a few of his points.
You know, in order to properly address this breaking story, we'd have to have watched the hour-long video in advance, like with Crowder's video.
We don't have that luxury because we're live now and it's happening, but let's play a little bit and see what he says.
jeremy boring
Would.
And so we anticipated that and we said, Crowder will bear the burden of production, including all costs associated therewith, on all the content contemplated herein, except on the quarterly and annual content contemplated below.
We'll get to that part a little bit later.
It's kind of a novel concept.
The quality of the production will be as good as, or better, than his currently existing content.
tim pool
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ian crossland
I mean, maybe not three times that, maybe two times that.
tim pool
Here's my third-party statement to both Stephen Crowd and The Daily Wire.
Daily Wire, you didn't offer enough money.
Maybe you couldn't afford to.
Stephen, if you launch your own company, you will make ten times that.
So I wonder if that's the issue.
Like, Stephen looks at this and he's like, $50 million over four years is not worth it.
Because you've got to understand, that's got to pay his employees.
luke rudkowski
And staff, and costs, and overhead, and insurance, and lawyers, and legal fees, and lawsuits.
tim pool
Million bucks a month.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Pre-tax!
serge du preez
Bear the burden of production, it says right there.
tim pool
Then there's taxes.
rogan dc draino ohandley
So he's getting $600,000 a month.
tim pool
Bear the cost of He said theft, not taxes.
It's not because if Crowder's production costs are $600,000 a month, then he's only profiting $400,000 and then he's paying $150,000 in taxes.
Taxes are a wild thing, dude.
So that was right there.
I mean, that's kind of, there we go.
We now know what the fee is.
So the question is, Man, four years, that's heavy.
serge du preez
Well, wasn't the total like $200 million or something we said yesterday?
What was the total we ended up talking about?
luke rudkowski
I mean, hyperinflation, that's going to be nothing.
ian crossland
You have to adjust this for inflation over the period in order for a contract like that.
luke rudkowski
The real inflation, not the fake inflation government numbers that are actually full of crap.
tim pool
I know Jeremy Boring.
I think he's a good dude.
We've talked about potential things we could work on and deals we could do and, you know, a lot of people were speculating back when we went and visited the Daily Wire in Nashville.
We did that week-long thing.
They were like, oh, Tim's gonna sign with the Daily Wire.
It's like, no, I don't think there was ever a possibility that we would be a Daily Wire thing.
It was more like, I'll tell you guys straight up exactly what's going on.
Every different way we distribute content is monetized in different ways through different, you know, partners.
Some people specialize in ads only for podcasts.
Some people specialize in ads only for YouTube.
And so, you know, for instance, our podcast side of things, like iTunes, Spotify, I'm an expert in those spaces.
I know YouTube much better.
And so we have third parties that work with us.
So I've talked to them like, hey, can you guys help us with this?
Because we know we're not doing a good job.
That's the kind of stuff we've talked about.
And being able to go to a company like The Daily Wire and literally talk with their CEO and have him just be very candid and like the, I gotta tell you, like of all the business meetings I've had, the easiest one was with The Daily Wire, because it ultimately ended like, okay, well, you know, maybe we can't work on this now, but we'll figure something out.
We'll hang out sometime.
Good hearing from you, man.
I've worked with, the first contract I was ever offered was from, well, I'll leave, I'll leave it, I'll leave him out of it.
It was a big agency, it was one of the big talent agencies.
They represent people you've heard of on Fox News, and they give me like a 70-page book contract to read.
And I'm looking, I'm like, and I'm like, this is a joke, right?
And it's like, no, no, no, don't worry, it's standard.
And I'm like, dude, you come to a guy who's like an up-and-comer in the space.
It was a five-year contract.
I know the game they were playing.
It was going to lock up everything, it was going to own me for five years and leave me with nothing.
And I couldn't afford to hire a lawyer to read that many pages, so I threw it in the trash and said, have a nice day.
Not interested in wasting my time.
That is almost every negotiation with every company I've done.
The Daily Wire was like literally I sat down with Jeremy and we talked about how we could do things.
And I thought it went well.
That being said, These contracts don't work.
It says like right here, you can see right here, Crowder will deliver a 1.5 hour long Loud Earth Crowder audio show of equality and the kind of blah blah blah blah.
They have to say that.
Because they don't want to sign a deal with you and then have you drop the quality to save money, but then all of a sudden if you're someone like Crowder and you're like, you wanna own what?
You want to own everything?
And they're like, I'm not going to give you $12 million per year without the right to distribute the content to make money on it.
You just can't do these deals, man.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, these are old archaic contracts that don't make sense.
Ian made that point yesterday, and it was a very good point.
My question is, how many eggs were the Daily Wire team going to be paying Crowder with?
Is that in the contract as well?
Because that's a commodity there.
That I think is an important one during these very difficult and inflationary times.
tim pool
Let me play a little bit more.
jeremy boring
We've been at Blaze.
Well, he would still do that same kind of concept.
30 minutes of the show would now be behind our paywall.
Crowder can bank or pre-record a limited number of episodes upon our approval and reasonable discretion.
Days without new original episodes will be scheduled in advance subject to our reasonable approval.
What's this about?
Well, I like Crowder.
In addition to his four weeks.
tim pool
I think The Daily Wire should just publish a link to the contract.
ian crossland
For sure.
tim pool
Because he's already shown, and he's going through a whole bunch of stuff, and I think Crowder opened the door.
When Crowder showed that portion, he actually said, don't make me bring the receipts.
So The Daily Wire responds with, okay, let's go through some of the contract.
At this point, I'm like, okay, dude, just publish it.
Because the fee being released is huge.
Here's what I think, Stephen Crowder, man, here's the challenge.
Joe Rogan's deal, what did it turn out to be?
It was initially reported as $100 million and then it was revealed later $200 million.
We don't know how many years that's over or what it does include.
Is it stock or things like that?
I don't know for sure.
luke rudkowski
Or is it the old episodes too or is it the entire podcast?
Is it the first episode to the last episode?
rogan dc draino ohandley
I think it did include old episodes.
luke rudkowski
That's a lot.
tim pool
Yeah, it got him off the... Joe Rogan had the number one spot on iTunes, the premier podcast platform, and he sold that.
That makes sense.
You know, Spotify says, look, we're gonna give you $200 million over X years.
I don't know how many years it was.
I'd imagine it wasn't four, but it could have been.
And so you imagine Joe's then getting $50 million a year for his show.
That's the crazy thing.
Steven Crowder's show is, he's not Joe Rogan, but I mean, come on, like 12.5 per year?
50 million over four years?
He's not a quarter of Joe Rogan.
He's half or more.
And considering what we're talking about, arguably comparable.
Joe Rogan reaches a certain kind of audience and he's huge.
We get it.
But Steven Crowder motivates people more.
I'd be willing to bet that a Crowder Adreed will sell 10 times more than a Rogan Adreed.
No offense to Rogan, but Crowder's a culture warrior.
When he goes out and he says, guys, you gotta get this thing because these are the companies that believe in us, people are going to be like, yes.
When Joe Rogan says, I shave my balls, here's the thing I use, some people are going to be like, that's cool.
I like Onnit.
luke rudkowski
Or his Fleshlight that he was supporting.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Looking at it from Daily Wire's perspective, they're putting $50 million down.
They want to make profit on this too.
So they're anticipating, yes, it's worth at least $50 million and then probably at least 50% on top of that.
You know, and that's where, you know, ballparking, like, I agree with you.
I think what, you know, being independent in this space is the best way to do it.
I think it's the best environment for a true creative.
I think it's the best upside on the profitability.
And there's so many business opportunities being created in this sector, which is relatively new, really has just blossomed in the last two to three years.
So, you know, Crowder might be looking at, okay, what am I, Looking at the next two or three years, he's going to be doing this for 30, 40 years, potentially, if he wants to.
tim pool
Here's the thing about any of these deals.
A couple years ago, we had one of the big networks come to us and say, let's do a deal.
We were relatively smaller, but we haven't grown that much.
We've grown a lot, but in terms of revenue and stuff, as a company, we're doing a lot better.
But they basically all say, we'll own it.
Everything you do, we own.
And I'm just like, not interested.
Because I'm going to do a three-year deal with you, right?
That's what you're asking.
You're coming to me saying three years.
At the end of it, you walk away, you keep your brand, you keep your name, we keep everything else.
I'm not interested in doing that.
I already have my own channels.
I already have my own brand.
I already have a membership platform.
Why would I just give that to you in exchange for what?
Comparable amounts of money?
ian crossland
That's the stupidest thing ever.
I think, as you said, Rogan, it's like a new entertainment environment.
It's a new business model opportunity.
So many different ways to make money in this space.
And now the parasites have come out as well.
And I'm not calling anyone particular.
I'm just saying the parasitic nature of business has aroused... It happened in 2006.
I was doing internet YouTube videos.
And once I got like 10,000... No, no.
Once I started getting like It's 1,000, 1,500 views per video.
I started getting emails and messages.
Hey, we can take your channel to the next level.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I want to make some money off you.
Hey, say this thing I want you to say.
tim pool
And they're like, let me.
ian crossland
That's the end of it.
tim pool
I want to play this clip.
I think he talks about the fee here.
This is the most important part.
jeremy boring
Now here's this section that I know Steven was very offended by.
And I think he misunderstood and therefore misrepresented.
Fee reductions.
There's a different fee reduction for all those kinds of contents we've created.
Daily content.
If he fails for any reason to deliver 192 episodes of the daily show, or if he fails to include the ads that we agreed to or the promotions that we agreed to in those episodes, then we'll give a $100,000 reduction every time.
What's that about?
Well, again, you can't pay someone any amount of money, but you certainly can't pay them An unimaginably huge amount of money for their show, and then not get the show.
So what this is saying is, you don't have to produce a show every day.
You don't have to produce 260, or 250, or 240, or 230, or 220, or 210 episodes a year.
You've got to produce 192 episodes a year.
You can film some of them in advance.
You can stack them up.
All of that's contemplated in there.
You can shoot on a Friday so that you can take two days off next week.
But if you don't give us 192 episodes, we can't pay you the same amount of money as if you did give us.
tim pool
Now, hold on there a minute.
If it's $12.5 per year with 192 episodes, that's $65,000 per episode, not $100,000.
rogan dc draino ohandley
And so the fee is bigger than the revenue.
The fee is punitive.
Which is a weird payment structure, so that seems kind of punishing.
You would typically want to do a payment structure that's more affirmative, like, hey, After every 10 episodes, we will pay you blank.
So you kind of truncate it into smaller.
It sounds like they're doing just a big advance up front.
tim pool
Right.
If you're doing a guarantee of X per year, I understand what the Daily Wire is trying to do, but I will push back and say, What the contract should say, and they could be doing the big ask, it could be a Trump move, where they don't want Crowder to negotiate a net benefit they want to break even.
So they say $100k expecting Crowder to come back and say, no, no, no, no, pro-rate divided by the fee for the year.
So it should say, in my opinion, this is how I do the count, I'd say, what are we paying you $12,500 a year?
192 episodes?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Any episode you miss, we deduct one unit division into that fee.
So whatever that breaks down to, $65,000.
You miss an episode or you miss an ad read, we will remove 65 from your guarantee.
Basically, we are buying 192 episodes for 12.5 per year.
If you don't deliver one, we prorate you.
ian crossland
But the argument is, it's the library itself is worth more than the sum of the parts.
So the one show by itself, then you have 20 shows, they're worth more than 1 20th each because they create, you know.
So I can see why they upped the fee.
tim pool
We'll let Jeremy continue, because I don't want to cut him off if he's going to make important context to part of the conversation.
jeremy boring
192 episodes.
So this is just, yeah, you give us 192 times 4 minus 1, then out of your 50 million, we're hitting minus 100,000.
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
He said 192 times four minus one, that we're taking 100,000 out of 50 million.
Yeah, yeah, look, man, that doesn't add up.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Yeah, what's 50 million, 192?
tim pool
It's gonna be 65, 104.
Yeah, yeah.
Because, you know, basically what it breaks down to.
So that doesn't quite add up.
That being said, the Daily Wire offering a steep fee as a means to say, like, don't drop shows, I also understand.
They don't want to do a deal where they make a guarantee and then one day Crowder says, well, you know, I don't lose anything if I back out on this deal, right?
If Ian and I do a deal and then Ian's relying on me to make a profit, and there's no penalty other than I don't get paid for the
day but Ian gets screwed over, well that's going to suck. So again, I think it may be
reasonable to say something like $70,000, so you will get a $5,000 hit on your overall minimum
because we don't want to create an opportunity for you to just be like, I guess I'm not going
to do a show today because I don't feel You know what I mean?
rogan dc draino ohandley
You know what I think they're factoring into that is their costs for their production and their licensing and distribution.
So $100,000, so $65,000 is for Crowder, $35,000 is probably what they estimate their cost per episode.
tim pool
That's actually a really good point.
That's actually a really fair point.
In order to distribute and make money off of what they're buying from Crowder, they're gonna have their own crew doing all of this stuff as well.
Editing.
Right.
And that means if they've got 300 employees, and they've got 10 allocated to proper promotion
distribution, making clips, uploading to the website,
monitoring for bugs, doing the backend stuff, because they're a lot bigger.
Maybe 100 does make sense.
I certainly think you factor that in, and you factor their loss of profits in.
So they're basically saying, we're paying you 65,
we're also going to lose 10, because we can't do our sales.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Our employees showed up to work.
tim pool
Our employees showed up.
Also, the people who bought the ads are going to come to us angry.
So that's actually an interesting point.
Fair point.
You know?
I don't think we can go through this whole thing though, so I don't know if there's any other... I'm going to do it later.
rogan dc draino ohandley
It's a tough deal.
You know what?
I'm very curious to see what Crowder says, if there's anything else.
But to me, this just seems like business, tough business.
It's a lot of money.
There's high stakes, and people want to make sure that their investments are protected.
So I'm not necessarily anti-Daily Wire on this, but I am curious.
I'm sure there's a 50-minute video.
Crowder's got his whole experience going through this, so there's a lot more to this, I'm sure.
ian crossland
This is actually really awesome, that transparency is incredible.
It's so good for the business environment.
tim pool
I mean, here's a challenge for The Daily Wire.
A lot of people are saying, like, you should have said anything.
He didn't mention you.
Bro, everybody was saying it was The Daily Wire.
And then now The Daily Wire has no opportunity to explain.
No, they basically have no choice.
ian crossland
And hey, it's good promotion.
rogan dc draino ohandley
But Crowder was talking about how, not necessarily these figures, wasn't it that they were like partnering with the bad guys or something?
tim pool
Well, his complaint was that, uh, let me see if I can actually find the part where he'll talk about it, I imagine.
luke rudkowski
He said the big con and that they're working with Big Tech.
tim pool
Here we go.
rogan dc draino ohandley
He said something like that.
tim pool
Look, if Crowder is boycotted.
jeremy boring
If Crowder is boycotted or dropped by more than 50% of his then-extant advertising partners, that is, if 50% of the money that he's making from advertisers is suddenly gone, And we're not able to replace that revenue within 90 days.
Then his fee will be reduced by 25% until such time as the ad revenue has been restored for a period of time.
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
That is giving Crowder free money!
That's insane!
Think about that for two seconds.
If Crowder's revenue is dropped by 50% from his advertising partners, plural, Wait, hold on.
If he's dropped by more than 50% of his then-advertising partners, they will reduce his fee by only $25,000?
ian crossland
Which is what, $250,000 a year-ish?
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Well, potentially.
So it's potentially advertising insurance, it sounds like, but 50% of his revenue may not necessarily equate to his fees.
jeremy boring
Right.
ian crossland
Is he making more than $250,000 a year in ad revenue?
rogan dc draino ohandley
What's his ad revenue compared to the fee?
You know, 25% of That's a nice grace period.
tim pool
So it could be they don't include membership partners, but they're also giving him 90 days.
unidentified
Meaning if something happens- That's a nice grace period, three months to figure it out.
tim pool
That means Crowder could be making half the revenue for three months and they still won't charge him
a fee or a penalty.
ian crossland
What I don't like from Steve's perspective is it makes him rely on advertisers still, which is, I think he's trying to get away from that, being reliant on advertisers and if his contract forces him.
tim pool
If I was going to do a deal with someone, I would say, if your content gets boycotted, your fee will be reduced commensurate to the amount of money lost from those boycotts.
And that's the crazy thing.
rogan dc draino ohandley
We share the risk.
tim pool
Well, or, yeah, I mean, we can give you a guarantee, but if there's no money coming in, like, there's no money to guarantee you.
rogan dc draino ohandley
That is, to me, like, a little bit of a float.
Daily Wire, you know, they're almost a creditor in that instance.
tim pool
That came off as, like, Here's the important part.
I didn't expect the Daily Wire to offer something like that, to be honest.
jeremy boring
It's money or not, and then we lose the business as a result.
And now, no one pays Steven anything, and no one releases Steven's content.
He has to go build it all from scratch in crisis.
Ban.
The crowder content cannot be released on any of the major platforms because of its content being banned from those platforms.
Then we'll reduce the fee if YouTube 20, if Apple 20, if Facebook 10, if Spotify 10.
Same kind of concept.
If the content simply cannot appear, and therefore cannot not only be used for marketing, cannot be used to grow the brand, also can't be monetized, well, we can't pay him the same as if it was.
If you're making 25% of your money on YouTube, and now YouTube is permanently gone, you can't make that money anymore.
It's not punishment.
And this is really what it comes down to.
ian crossland
You can pay him, Jimmy.
You just would run it at a loss if you did.
You can, though.
jeremy boring
I deserve to be paid millions and millions and millions of dollars Whether my show drives the revenue or not.
tim pool
I gotta pause right there and say, Jeremy, yeah, that's the point.
The reason Steven Crowder wants to do a deal with you is so that you assume the risk and he doesn't.
And this is why I'm saying these contracts don't make sense.
Because what Jeremy is saying makes sense from Jeremy's perspective, but it doesn't make sense from the perspective of anybody who wants to do a deal.
It would be like, It would be like someone saying, you know, Luke, I'm going to buy your RV off you.
And then if it breaks, I'm not giving you the money.
Like, well, hold on.
luke rudkowski
They always break.
ian crossland
No, but my point is like... Put in the contract.
tim pool
Crowder's basically saying, like, I don't want to worry about this.
I don't want to worry about the risk, the revenue.
You figure it out.
And then Jeremy says, OK, but if it breaks, we're not going to pay you.
ian crossland
I mean, I think that's reasonable.
tim pool
If you buy it or you don't.
ian crossland
If Steven wants to offload the risk, then he's offloading a huge chunk of the income.
I mean, that's the risk is a big part of why he's worth so much is because it's on his shoulders.
tim pool
The deal can't exist.
This is why I was saying like, when I said Crowder was right about everything
with these contracts.
Like, and I like the Daily Wire guys.
I think Jeremy's a good dude.
And I think Jeremy is doing right as a business, but it doesn't make sense for Crowder to sell
what he has to basically hear you're in the exact same position.
We don't assume the same level of risk.
Like, you're gonna face the same risks.
If you get a strike, you don't get paid.
I do think there's some guarantees, like I'll point this out.
If he gets banned by YouTube, they only dock his fee by 20%.
That's actually, I mean that structure right there, I think is actually really great.
That is, the Daily Wire is doing some good things.
YouTube, is a larger portion of revenue and viewership.
So when it comes to direct sponsorships, you'll make more off a YouTube read
than a podcast read to a certain extent.
But podcasts in the long run will make more money.
It's hard to explain.
Like you get more views on YouTube, so you can sell a package for more.
Equal to the number of views though, the CPMs are lower.
So for them to break it down this way actually seems like... There is some stuff being taken off Crowder's shoulder in terms of risk.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I wonder what his angle is when he says they're basically partnering with big tech to take... This is it.
tim pool
He gets penalized if he breaks YouTube's rules.
rogan dc draino ohandley
But is he thinking that Daily Wire is going to sabotage him so that they are able to pay Crowder less?
He seemed very angry about it.
To me, this doesn't strike me as them partnering up with Big Tech to take down Crowder.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he was kind of alluding to that.
We definitely need more clarification for it, because, let's be honest here, The Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro do get suggested a lot on Facebook.
If you look at the most shared links from Facebook, it's usually The Daily Wire.
And a lot of people are asking, that's kind of weird, you know?
That's kind of, you know, what's going on here?
And then we have these statements by Crowder, so, you know, there's obviously a lot more questions here.
ian crossland
Zuckerberg's a huge conservative, turns out.
I didn't know.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I have far more questions than answers.
This stuff, working in Hollywood contracts, there's no market standard, especially in this burgeoning industry.
So it's really fascinating to see a little bit of the inside information, because now you can say, all right, I'm this X percent compared to Crowder.
It gives you a chance to... But people are making this up as we go.
What is a market standard for a contract?
It's all black box in Hollywood.
tim pool
Dude, I...
I know everybody, there's a lot of people commenting on that video saying, I stan with Steven Crowder.
I just feel so bad for the Daily Wire, because they're not bad people, and they're trying really hard.
They're not the hardest of culture warriors like we or Crowder are, but I don't think they're bad guys who are doing bad things.
ian crossland
I think Candace is hard culture warrior like you and Crowder.
tim pool
That's true, that's a fair point.
ian crossland
But Jeremy, he's not all business.
Matt Walsh.
But he's in the business.
tim pool
Matt's a warrior.
And what is a woman was extremely important.
That was a tremendously powerful and very important thing.
ian crossland
But when you say daily wire, you got to talk about who owns daily wire.
It's, it's Jeremy, Ben, you know, and Jeremy's in the business aspect.
He's not a culture warrior.
tim pool
I want to clarify what I said.
I feel bad for him.
I don't feel bad necessarily about this.
Like, dude, you offer a big name, a contract that pisses them off.
Don't be surprised if they come and they get mad at you about it and they can wag around and be like, this is a terrible contract.
I feel bad because how do you compete with the likes of Disney?
How do you do it?
It's like, Disney will get people to sign up, no matter what, because they own Flubber.
Because they own decades of American cultural history.
And the Daily Wire's gotta build it.
And it's probably just 10 times harder than managing Disney.
I mean, look at what they're doing with all the Marvel stuff.
Regurgitated remakes, etc, etc.
And the Daily Wire has to navigate this space.
And you know what the worst possible thing is?
What was the big hit for the Daily Wire?
ian crossland
Yeah, what is a woman?
That Matt Walsh documentary.
tim pool
And what about Gina Carano's film?
ian crossland
I didn't see it.
tim pool
Terra on the Prairie?
Yeah.
So the issue is, the Daily Wire is trying to break the cultural mold, take the space,
and to an extent it's working.
I mean, they have a million paying monthly members, so they're building it up.
They're what, 20 times smaller than Netflix is.
But did we hear about how tremendously amazing Terra on the Prairie was?
Did we see groundbreaking virality?
No, but What Is A Woman did.
The problem is What Is A Woman is political.
That means The Daily Wire is still trapped in their pigeonhole.
And if they're going to have the cultural impact that we actually need them to have, they need to get bigger hits in different areas that are very, very difficult to do.
ian crossland
They need their own Mickey Mouse.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I will say just looking at that contract, assuming that's the primary contract, it's a very simple, like simplified contract.
They get far more verbose, far more carve-outs and exceptions and preconditions.
So again, I'm not taking a side on this because I don't have enough information.
I am definitely very curious to hear what Crowder's perspective is though.
tim pool
Someone superchatted, remember Crowder is bringing in 300,000 subs at 10 bucks a month.
That's 36 million a year.
Crowder, let me see, sorry, gotta scroll.
Crowder wants band protection and is wanting a distribution partner.
I agree.
I don't know that we can guarantee Crowder will bring in 300,000.
I think it's possible, but more than that, I think from a contract perspective, if someone came to me and said, look, If Ian came to me and said, bring me on the show and I guarantee you 10,000 new paying monthly members, I'd be like, you can't guarantee me that.
I can look at your metrics and then make a bet.
And if I'm wrong, I lose a lot of money.
I don't know if I'd wanna do that.
ian crossland
Yeah, there'd have to be some cash incentive if I was gonna guarantee a subscriber count or something.
tim pool
But I also do think, from a practical standpoint, Steven Crowder likely will bring in 300,000 to 500,000 new paying monthly members at 10 bucks a month, in which case, Yeah, this contract's not good.
ian crossland
You made an interesting observation that he might be concerned that with the 20% if he gets banned off YouTube, 20% if he gets banned, that if Daily Wire is in charge of the edit and the post, that they could put something up that would put him in a light that would get him banned and then be able to cut his salary by 20%.
rogan dc draino ohandley
He's very nervous about their affiliation with Big Tech.
And that, to me, has not been addressed in this.
We saw the provision, but to me it doesn't really... Where's Crowder getting... He was very upset, very nervous about that.
I don't see it yet.
I don't know what he's focused on.
tim pool
Crowder needs to do his own thing.
Because like I said the other day, I think Crowder would make 10 million bucks a month.
People are saying 36 million a year.
I disagree.
Based on how big Crowder is, based on what he was able to do with Rumble with the midterms, he had like seven or eight times the amount of viewers we had.
I think we ended up with, I don't remember how many, 60, 70,000.
He had 500,000.
On Rumble?
On Rumble.
ian crossland
Special shout out to Dave Landau.
unidentified
That lovable little garden gnome.
ian crossland
I love you, brother.
I love you, man.
You're so awesome, dude.
tim pool
I think Crowder should launch his independent mug club and ten bucks a month.
Honestly, it might need to be a little bit more than that because of costs these days.
No, seriously, like bandwidth costs, especially if you're going to do anything live.
But ten bucks a month probably would work.
I think he'd probably get between $300,000 and $500,000.
He'd be making $5 million a month with no ads.
None.
serge du preez
Just off serves.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, back-end hosting is expensive.
These are the numbers that the contract should be working out.
We're going to cover hosting.
We mentioned that last night.
Do tech contracts with these actors, these performers, so that you cover their back-end expenditure.
tim pool
I'm doing the math in my head right now.
I think 300k is a good estimate.
It's a good estimate.
So what needs to happen in this contract is Crowder should probably say, here's what I would do.
I go through all of it and I would say, oh, you want all these things?
My answer to you is yes.
And we're going to add one paragraph.
I get 80% of memberships.
And then they're going to go, uh, well, I don't know about that.
And I'll be like, okay, here's what I'll do.
I'll take a hundred percent of my memberships.
I'll make my website.
Thanks for your time.
serge du preez
Yeah.
Right.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Which I don't know why it doesn't just do that.
I mean, they have a massive distribution platform.
serge du preez
He's also been like demonetized on YouTube for like how many years now?
ian crossland
Off and on for, I don't know.
tim pool
Here's what I can say.
If I know this to be true, That if we did some kind of partnership with The Daily Wire, this show would be 10 times bigger in half the time.
We would have... The Daily Wire's, I think, 20 times bigger than we are.
They have people all over the place.
They have more fans than we do.
They have more connections, more celebrities who visit their offices.
They have their own talent roster.
If I did do a deal with them in any capacity, and they were able to be like, here, we're gonna change your show, It would just like, bigger studio, built by a more professional company, faster.
ian crossland
Oh my god, the swinging cameras that come through on dollies and stuff?
tim pool
We're a company here at Timcast, and we are every day trying to learn and navigate and forge this path forward.
Meaning like, oh man, we have hiccups all day, every day.
And it's just like, constant headaches.
And I talk to Jeremy periodically, and then he's like, well, my friend, just know that it always gets worse.
And I'm laughing.
I'm like, I don't know.
He's right.
Because I'm like, you know, we're working on a project right now with the Daily Wire crew, a music project.
I don't want to say too much about it.
We're really excited.
And so I've been talking to him, and then, you know, I'll mention like, oh, we had this problem with this financial thing.
And then he laughs.
He's like, I remember we had that.
Yeah, and that's 20 times worse.
And so I'm just like, if we were able to get a company like them to just even consult, it would be huge.
If we were able to have their resources in terms of booking, it would be massive.
We would have bigger celebrities, bigger names, bigger connections.
serge du preez
Yeah, in no time.
tim pool
But, you know, look, we're our own company, we do our own thing, and it's impossible to just, you can't just make something like that happen.
Same thing is true with Crowder.
Why would Crowder do a deal with Daily Wire?
It's like you were saying, their production resources, distribution, and access is so massive that it would substantially benefit Crowder.
However, as for who Crowder is, he doesn't need them.
He can make his own website.
It will just be harder, it will take longer, but he will make substantially more money.
unidentified
Yeah.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Even Rush Limbaugh worked for another company.
ian crossland
What company?
rogan dc draino ohandley
Salem Media, I believe.
ian crossland
His whole career?
rogan dc draino ohandley
At least at the end, I believe.
I'm just jumping on that.
Candice Owens is one of the biggest names.
She's generally worked with Prager and Turning Point and now Daily Wire.
It's just different business paths and how your lifestyle meshes with that, how your vision and your creativity.
I can't work for anyone.
I would rather take less money and just, if I'm not going to work that day, I'm not going to work that day.
That's on me, but if someone's telling me, hey, you've got to do this, you've got to do that, I can't do it at this point.
Yeah, I'm the same way.
luke rudkowski
Why take orders from somebody?
It just doesn't make sense.
ian crossland
I've been through that.
At this stage, I'm working for the Timcast Corporation, and it's a little emasculating at times.
I'm like, damn, I can't just I can't just publish a new show.
It's owned by TimCast Corporation, which is reasonable, I think, because I'm getting paid by TimCast Corporation, and I can always end the contract.
I think there's a time and place, because the social capital that I'm gaining outweighs the value of anything I could do on my own at this stage of my career.
tim pool
But Ian, that's technically not true.
It's true in the sense that anybody who works for TimCast has an agreement that anything you make related to our business, we own.
That means, What do we do here?
We do political commentary, we do YouTube videos, we do social media posts, we make music.
We're making video games now, and you recognize that we're doing all of this multimedia stuff.
However, it also states that at any point you want to do something, you need only tell us.
That's it.
ian crossland
True.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
That's in the, that's in the contract also.
tim pool
So like the, the point is we can't have people work here who are going to be like, I'm going to make music for you.
And then we go, awesome.
And then they come out with an album.
It goes up a platinum or whatever.
And they're like, well, I made that at home.
unidentified
I think because we'll do, we, we hired you to make that standard Hollywood procedure.
ian crossland
Yeah.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I do deals with major studios.
Well, I can't say them, but they basically have first look.
They own any movie you make subsequently.
If you're a first-time director for a major studio, they own your ass because we kind of brought you up on the map.
And I'm not saying that.
But I will say about Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro, they don't work for anyone.
They started that company and just built it up.
I think you guys are, outside looking in, you guys are crushing it.
tim pool
So, first look is a good way to put it.
The way I describe it to everybody is, everybody has to have an agreement that if you're working here, you're working for us.
However, I don't want to own your music, man.
I don't want to own your book.
Because of our contracts with other companies, you just have to come to us and be like, I'm gonna write this book.
It's nothing to do with you, it's me.
And I'll be like, okay, yeah, I'll write up a contract saying we have no rights over the book that's produced by you.
ian crossland
You're good.
But there's something in the back of my artist mind where it's just knowing that I have a contract signed that is Owns my work and until I override it is there.
It's like it's messes with me, but I have to weigh the value like the value of to be honest.
I would do this show for free.
Anyway, like I've you know, I've even talked with you about like, I don't need the money.
I'm not here for the money.
I don't care about the social capital far outweighs the dollars in my opinion.
So, I'm constantly doing the weight of, like, is it worth it?
rogan dc draino ohandley
Everyone's got to make their own decision, you know?
What's best for your life and what you want to do.
I remember thinking when I was younger, I was like, oh, you know, I'm going to start a business and I'm going to scale it up and then it's going to be a multi-whatever.
I don't even want to do that, you know?
Quality of life.
Think of how many had it, you know?
Do you really just want to be consumed by your business all day, every day?
I actually want some time to hang out with my wife and, you know, future kids.
unidentified
Also, I don't want to compete with you.
ian crossland
Me and Tim both make cartoons.
We do acting and stuff.
I don't want to compete.
I'd rather work together.
I don't want to compete with Jeremy.
I don't want to compete with Steve Crowder.
I want to work unified and create art together.
tim pool
We don't have any kind of contract anywhere near the level of what the Daily Wire is offering, like that massive lighting out terms or whatever.
We don't have anything.
ian crossland
Yeah, over X amount.
There's no time period on the contract?
tim pool
There's literally nothing in any agreement anywhere that's like, Ian, if you get us banned, we're going to dock your pay.
It's like, no, I'll just pay you anyway.
Get mad about it, I suppose.
ian crossland
But also, it's like there's no time commitment, which is ultimate.
In this rapidly changing entertainment structured environment, putting someone on a three-year freaking leash is insane, in my opinion.
tim pool
Well, there's a reason for that, and it's what we were talking about the other day, right?
So, we have no no-term contracts with anybody who works here, and that's a huge risk on our end, because I joke to everybody, I'm a communist, so it's like...
If we invest in you as a personality and then you quit on us, we've just lost all of our investment.
And that's why nobody wants to do that deal.
rogan dc draino ohandley
That's a reasonable position, though.
Again, that's standard in Hollywood.
tim pool
We don't have a term for anybody.
Ian could leave the show whenever he wants to make his own thing.
rogan dc draino ohandley
That's quite generous.
ian crossland
The robot brain is, if I were to lock you in, then I will benefit in the future.
But the reality is, I love you more as a human for respecting me and my freedom.
And I would gladly hang out with you.
tim pool
I'll tell you, I think I'm better at business than all these people.
If you don't want to be here, you should not be here.
And I do not want to keep sinking money into a person who's trying to leave.
Now that's wasted money.
So all these big companies, they're like, look, if I'm going to invest $10 million in you, I need to know that I can monetize that for four years or whatever, make money off it.
My attitude is, hey, look, I'm going to invest a couple hundred grand into you and the stuff you're building.
And if at any point you don't want to be here, it's probably better you just leave because I don't want to waste any more money.
Like, if you don't want to be here, what?
So, like, what am I supposed to do with that?
You're going to be unhappy.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I think it's a better structure overall.
Like, again, Hollywood, it's cold and dehumanized because it's just a massive mega publicly traded corporation dealing with a bunch of creative idiots.
Very successful people sometimes, but I mean, yeah, when you have a more, like, a family-owned business, you don't need this super restrictive contract.
You have leadership, you have friendship, you have, you know, you can do things on a handshake.
A contract is just in case the worst happens.
You should be able to just work things out.
tim pool
Someone chatted, Tim wants volunteers, not hostages.
Yes.
I worked for Fusion and they had me under contract.
Then they went woke and I said, I'd like to leave.
And they said, no, here's more money.
And I said, this sucks.
ian crossland
Do you think that it's because it doesn't scale like these kind of these family run smaller contracts?
They're like, I trust you, let's work together.
They don't scale because the owner loses contact with the new hires because there's so many employees?
rogan dc draino ohandley
Yes.
I mean, obviously, as you get bigger, you're going to lose that more personalized connection with your employees.
So, again, there's no one right way to do this in any way, shape, or form.
Any of these powerful voices, you guys, anyone else, it's do what you think feels right.
And I think what it ultimately comes down to, what we're all doing this for, is to help save this country and save this planet from tyranny.
And this stuff is all kind of on the side.
serge du preez
Yeah, straight up, man.
Economics.
unidentified
All right, let's go.
tim pool
We're going to go to Super Chats.
We're going to go to Super Chats.
So smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com.
We're going to have that members-only uncensored show coming up for you.
And we got a bunch of really crazy stuff to talk about.
rogan dc draino ohandley
We do.
tim pool
I just put it that way.
I don't know.
Because it's been building up because I haven't been able to do my morning show.
And technically, I shouldn't even be doing this show.
But I'm not going to cancel on people just because my voice is
fucked up.
ian crossland
That was the thing. If you cancel your day shows and just do this show,
then we won't ever have to look for news because you already have it,
and you'll be chomping at the bit to talk about it anyway.
tim pool
Well, so it's like I probably should not do anything and just sleep,
because I don't know what was wrong with my voice, to be really honest.
Yeah.
ian crossland
For sure, dehydration, maybe too much salt.
tim pool
Maybe, but I've been doing everything.
People are like, gargle honey, and it's like, come on, man.
ian crossland
Fasting?
tim pool
Everything.
ian crossland
Fasting will help.
tim pool
Yeah, it didn't work.
ian crossland
Like 12 hours of no food.
tim pool
Yep, it did it.
serge du preez
Really?
ian crossland
Maybe you have to do three days in a row.
tim pool
I think it's just something that happens.
serge du preez
Yeah, it could just be overuse or just speaking for a while.
tim pool
Eventually it's going to just... And then instead of taking a day off, I end up doing the show.
ian crossland
You went hard last night.
tim pool
But to be fair, I'm raspy, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was on Friday.
So I'm assuming I'll be able to work tomorrow.
serge du preez
It's going to get better.
tim pool
We'll read some Super Chats.
And thank you guys for being members at TimCast.com because it's basically afforded me the ability to take the mornings off.
Which is extremely, like, I get really angry.
Because, like, I come in here, I do all the work, and then I start doing warm-ups, exercises, I took ibuprofen, because it reduces swelling to help you talk, and I recorded again for four minutes and I was complaining about Greta Thunberg, and then I just was, like, pushing harder and harder to get, and I'm done.
And I got pissed.
But if we didn't have the website, I'd be freaking out, because I'd be like, how do I pay people?
ian crossland
The memberships are- That's a rough life, man.
I bet a lot of people are thinking that way.
What if YouTube turns on me?
What if I don't follow their rules my entire career?
tim pool
But my concern is, if we didn't have the website memberships, it'd be more like, if I don't do this work today, how do I pay the salaries of the people who are working here?
That's the problem.
But the website, you guys as members, you give me a sick day.
Let's read some news.
All right.
What does it say?
ian crossland
C.D.
tim pool
Stein says, Hey, Tim, breaking news.
A prison in Hillsborough, Illinois, has had at least 15 guards taken to hospitals in serious condition due to fentanyl exposure.
unidentified
Wow, man.
tim pool
Laura Spade says bank bail bail-ins, bail-ins are starting.
The FDIC was having a talk about this recently.
ian crossland
Oh, I looked up the Bank of America crisis.
It looks like something went wrong with a glitch with Zelle, which is the transfer service that a bunch of these banks own.
serge du preez
Zelle is weird.
It's almost like antitrust in a way, because it's like Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Chase Bank, all these banks own this thing together, and they all transfer money on this thing.
I've always wondered about this.
It's very, very odd.
ian crossland
PNC Bank also, JP Morgan Chase, Capital One, Truist.
serge du preez
Yeah, Capital One.
Yeah, it's weird.
It's a weird, weird, weird thing.
ian crossland
It's owned by Early Warning Services, the company that owns Zelle.
And Early Warning Services is owned by all those banks.
serge du preez
Right, isn't that odd?
tim pool
Waffle Sensei says, if Luke really loved us, he would stay.
But he doesn't, so he's leaving.
luke rudkowski
I hate you.
tim pool
I say we all go and buy out his t-shirt inventory so he completely runs out of stock.
Show him how mad we are.
luke rudkowski
Please don't do that.
Please don't go to thebestpoliticalshirts.com and buy all the shirts.
I will have no other shirts.
I'll go shirtless.
tim pool
We gotta get Shim Sham back.
ian crossland
Did you say you'll go shirtless?
That's a promise.
tim pool
I need everybody to tweet at Seamus Coghlan.
ian crossland
Seamus, get over here.
It's time.
luke rudkowski
Who's that guy?
tim pool
Who is he?
The potato guy.
ian crossland
Slaymus!
tim pool
We should, when Seamus comes back, we should get like a really massive baked potato and put like candles in it and like hand it to him.
luke rudkowski
I made a special potato shirt for him for members of Luke Uncensored.
tim pool
Do you guys want to find some super chats and read it so I don't have to talk as much?
ian crossland
Yeah.
I'm tweeting at Seamus right now.
Anyone that wants to retweet my tweet to Seamus, please do it.
Yeah, but I can't see them from here, so let me do it from here.
Luke, you wanna grab one?
luke rudkowski
I'm looking right now.
serge du preez
I got one right now.
From Josh O. The UK just recently arrested a Christian for praying silently.
Thought crimes are now real.
ian crossland
I saw that.
It wasn't for silent prayer.
It was for, like, loitering or something.
But they were silently praying.
tim pool
She was standing in front of an abortion clinic or something?
ian crossland
Yeah.
And she'd been there day after day, and I think they were like, you can't stand on the road anymore.
It's loitering.
unidentified
I don't know.
serge du preez
Interesting.
luke rudkowski
Gabriel Lopes has a $50 super chat saying, your voice will not return to normal.
It's how Alex Jones got his along the years.
tim pool
I can feel it.
luke rudkowski
You gotta give us a war cry, then you could really have it.
tim pool
I'm nowhere near a war cry.
ian crossland
Uh, this is a super chat from NotThatGuy.
Ian, you don't own art, brother man.
Let's make something cool.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, you don't, Ian.
ian crossland
True.
That's why, Joey, that's a big ethos at Minds.
The whole point of the company is like, don't be too concerned about people claiming your work.
Your work, you think it's yours, it's just there.
You made it, just let it be.
luke rudkowski
Sir, you have the super chats from the very beginning.
serge du preez
There's a really fun one from Pirate Taurus Sockenhoff.
It says, it's called puberty, Tim.
Your body is changing.
You'll notice, along with a deeper voice, your beard should start filling in.
tim pool
Finally!
luke rudkowski
Did something drop down there, Tim?
tim pool
Two somethings.
unidentified
Oh man, that's funny.
ian crossland
Alright, I got one from Lord Clemino.
This says, You guys are missing things Crowder said.
It's the fact these conditions force people to abide by big tech's biased rules they often enforce arbitrarily that don't encourage one to actually speak the truth but the opposite.
And that I agree in that I think that you're referring to that if he gets banned off YouTube, then he loses money from his contract.
So they're kind of forcing him to abide by YouTube's rules to get his daily wire contract.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Which would happen if he was independent anyway.
You know, if he was independent, he lost YouTube money.
So they're kind of saying, well, you know, we're not YouTube insurance.
And they might be YouTube insurance to an extent, depending on how much revenue comes in from YouTube, and they only dock them 20%.
I mean, there is probably some give and take there.
But again, we still need to No more information.
serge du preez
I got another one that Tim's highlighted for me from Linda T. saying, Tim, I'm a stay-at-home mom of two kids.
Limited money, but a member because I like that you are fighting the culture war and I stand behind you, as do I. Thank you.
tim pool
Thank you.
ian crossland
Really do appreciate it.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, you know, what's really hard is like, I understand why the Daily Wire does what they do.
Being the people running the machine affords you the ability to fight the culture war directly.
Me being the host of the principal show and trying to run the machine is like damn near impossible.
rogan dc draino ohandley
It's a hard job.
luke rudkowski
Not everyone has it in them to do that.
Yeah, but Trump has a $20 super chat saying, how many people pay for Crowder that don't already pay for Daily Wire?
How many new members would they really get?
I doubt it's 300K.
tim pool
It's a good point.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of crossover there.
unidentified
They're both like statists.
ian crossland
Everyone's a statist to you because it's relative.
luke rudkowski
They're semi-communists, both of them, let's be real.
tim pool
Do we make like the moderate libertarian network thing?
luke rudkowski
Moderate?
Libertarian?
That doesn't go together.
It doesn't make sense.
tim pool
Yes, it does.
luke rudkowski
We got a good super chat from Anti-Statist Alliance.
ian crossland
Here's a good one.
This is from the Yeti90.
Oh, do you want to?
tim pool
No, I was gonna say, it's a network for people who aren't outright anarchists, but lean more in that direction than conservatives or liberals do, you know what I mean?
So like, you'll get your libertarians, you'll get your Dave Smiths, but you'll get some conservatives who are like pro-2A.
luke rudkowski
We got another $5 super chat by Vegas96.
He says, DC Drano probably had the best Twitter account.
Top 5 in my opinion.
You're big on Twitter.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Hell yeah!
unidentified
Thank you.
luke rudkowski
You got it back?
rogan dc draino ohandley
I got it back.
I've been rage tweeting all day.
Every day.
It's my favorite thing to do.
And as my lawyer said, it's no surprise you were ever banned in the first place.
ian crossland
Did you just get it back?
rogan dc draino ohandley
Like four weeks ago.
I've been going on a tear.
Like I said, the thing I'm most proud of is our case that's in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals right now.
We had our hearing.
Like I said, I'm represented by Harmeet Dhillon, who I think is the best civil rights attorney in modern history. And, you know, any day I could wake up and
we're going to get that decision.
And we're almost certainly going to be appealing to the Supreme Court. And the reason this case is,
I believe, historic is because it's the government that is coordinating with big tech to censor us.
I think it's happening across the entire spectrum.
I mean think of all the Twitter files we've seen.
Now imagine YouTube, Facebook, Instagram.
So I think we've just hit the tip of the iceberg and I have a lot of friends in Congress and there's gonna be a lot of subpoenas going out where I think the Twitter files are just the tip of the iceberg.
We're gonna learn a lot more.
luke rudkowski
St.
Matthew has a $20 super chat saying, since we are discussing Ian's contract, how much of its compensation is graphene and psychedelic mushrooms?
tim pool
All of it, actually.
That little jar right there was all it took.
Ian signed a 20-year contract for that little vial.
ian crossland
It was worth it.
And I'll sign it again.
Here's a good one from TheYeti90.
He says, I want a shirt that says, quote, Luke, help me stop smoking.
I'm going to keep sending this until it gets read.
luke rudkowski
Did I help you quit smoking?
If I did, I'm very happy because that's something I was dealing with myself previously before a couple years ago.
And that's a big thing.
That's if, you know, not a lot of people get to overcome it.
So if you really did quit, shout out to you and congratulations for living an addiction-free
life and not being controlled by any statist substance that you are giving the money to
the government through.
ian crossland
So maybe make a t-shirt that says, Luke, help me stop smoking.
luke rudkowski
Or get rid of the cigarette tax.
ian crossland
One way to quit smoking.
Actually, if you remind yourself to quit smoking, does it make you just think, smoke?
luke rudkowski
One thing that really made me quit smoking is understanding how much taxes went into the government with me smoking.
I was like, what?
They're getting how much?
I can't do this!
And that was one reason that I just decided to quit.
Two, it's just, I don't know, it just feels better just to be able to breathe and not be dependent on something that I was convinced that I needed when I really didn't.
ian crossland
Epic.
I went through the same thing with marijuana.
I thought I couldn't be sociable without it.
I was, in like 2007, I thought, oh, this is making me likable.
And that just set me on a downward spiral.
It was me that was likable.
That stuff was just there.
luke rudkowski
So, Serge, I'm only able to see the recent Super Jets.
Can you go into the back and get the earlier ones?
I got another one here by John McGee saying, Breaking!
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced resignation.
Good!
Absolutely.
That's the news that was breaking during this podcast, and she was an awful leader that implemented a lot of the World Economic Forum policies and essentially destroyed any form of freedom and liberty in New Zealand.
And she was facing a lot of people opposing her, and her popularity went down because of just how absolutely horrible she was to her people.
So good, good riddance, in my opinion.
Search.
serge du preez
Yeah, I got one here from Ian.
Ask Rogan about how he saved my life by contacting 9-1-1 from another state.
Went by casual libtard, I believe.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Yeah, that was in 2017.
He was on a live stream and he had a seizure and I think there was like 10 people watching and a bunch of people were DMing me like Dude, Ian, he just dropped.
And I was like, I don't know.
I've never met.
And then I checked his live stream and it was still going.
And I posted on my page, I was like, yo, does anyone know anything about Ian?
And someone's like, I think he lives in this town.
And then we looked it up.
And then we sent cops to his house.
And he ended up being OK.
But that's a blast from the past.
serge du preez
All right, I got another one really fast.
Luke.
What happened to your thumb, man?
I was going to ask you the same question earlier.
This person, Fleca, talks, as we know.
Notice the bandage.
You don't have to say if you're not comfortable, if you don't want to, but.
luke rudkowski
I was moving and then there was like broken glass and I just like put my hand into something.
I know.
It's not fun.
I was trying to think of a cool one.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Shout out Fleckus Talks.
One of my best friends.
Awesome guy.
tim pool
His thumb's just sore because he loaded 3,000 rounds of 9mm over the weekend.
luke rudkowski
There you go.
There you go.
That should have been a better one.
ian crossland
Got one here from PJ.
luke rudkowski
No, I got another one by Semper Ives.
This one's better.
He says, Ian, you've been rolling more 20s than usual.
Did you change up your routine, diet, or anything?
Did you even lift with Luke, bro?
Now, Semper, don't encourage him.
Number two, he has not been lifting, has not been working out with me, and has been declining my invites to do personal training with me.
ian crossland
Correct.
I have been working out, though.
I've been at least 20 push-ups every day, if not 40.
I haven't eclipsed 40 a day yet.
luke rudkowski
20 push-ups a day?
ian crossland
Yeah.
That's bare minimum, just so that my body's ready to lift 30 or 40 pounds.
I did yoga last night, lightly, but I got those blocks and doing those push-ups where you go way down and stretch open your chest.
Eating a lot of meat, doubling up on my protein intake, tripling up on my protein intake.
luke rudkowski
Are you on that beef liver?
ian crossland
I haven't taken any of that yet.
All Epic bars right now.
We've got these incredible Epic bars.
It's like bison meat with cranberry.
I mean, it's just so pure.
So that has definitely changed things up.
Maybe it's building my confidence.
Thank you for noticing.
serge du preez
Keep in mind, Ian, I do have this note here saying, Ian builds muscle as one of your goals this year.
ian crossland
It's happening, man.
It happens slowly and then all at once.
serge du preez
I believe you, man.
ian crossland
Here's one from PJ.
It says, Tim, can you get Annie Jacobson on to talk about her book, First Platoon?
Chilling stuff.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
I don't know who that is.
ian crossland
Annie Jacobson.
serge du preez
I have another one here from Seve Rose saying, most banks did not have gold to trade for cash after the Civil War.
That's a myth, and you should investigate the history of central banks in this country a little closer.
Rogan.
that they didn't have enough gold? It says that most banks did not have gold to trade for cash,
rogan dc draino ohandley
so that wasn't fungible directly. Well, that's what the federal bank people said,
that there wasn't enough gold and the bank runs destabilized.
But a lot of these destabilization events were actually, I believe, orchestrated to generate
enthusiasm and getting the getting that pass. So it's kind of, you know, oh, that's
what history tells us. But as we've learned today, what is being said right in front of our
faces is often not true. So, you know, I agree to an extent, but it's not always what it
seems.
luke rudkowski
10 bucks do has a $50 super chat saying, Tim, I don't think you're losing your voice. I
think you are slowly channeling the energy of Alex Jones to become his new vessel.
Soon, you'll be selling TimCast vitamins and ranting about the chemicals in the grip tape turning the skaters gay.
Is that true, Tim?
tim pool
We're... we're making... we're turning the people into skaters.
ian crossland
Oh, it's even better.
Here's one from 10bucksstew.
Tim, oh wait, you just read that.
That was a good one.
luke rudkowski
I got another one by ikefka.
It says, Ian, 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 air squats, and a 19 kilometer run.
ian crossland
19?
I've never run more than like two miles in a burst.
serge du preez
Is that like from the One Punch Man thing?
Is that what you're referencing?
I don't know if that is or not.
It's like an anime.
ian crossland
Dude, if I could get to that.
luke rudkowski
How much could you run in a mile?
Like, what's your time in a mile?
ian crossland
I haven't timed it since, like, high school, and it was nine and a half minutes.
I was so out of shape.
unidentified
When you go for a run, you want to go for a run.
No.
luke rudkowski
Have a gun!
He doesn't want to... I've been very persistent, haven't I?
ian crossland
You have been.
luke rudkowski
And every time I see him in the kitchen, I'm like, Ian, we got to go.
We got to do this.
Let's go.
ian crossland
Dude, I want to make a deal with you.
I'm going to get ripped if you get more optimistic.
luke rudkowski
I am optimistic.
I'm very optimistic.
In homeschooling, and the Second Amendment, and people's liberties and freedoms, and humanity figuring out problems.
ian crossland
Yeah, Luke has been very pushy, in a great way, as a friend, about me working it out, and it's keeping it in the forefront of my mind, so thank you, Luke.
tim pool
I'll read this one here.
Nicole says, have you asked Crowder to be on the show to clarify Stop Big Con?
Yes.
ian crossland
Good one.
tim pool
Moving on.
luke rudkowski
Bridget Mae Sadara says, Ian, thanks for representing our age group.
I'm 48.
You're always rolling 20s for me.
Much love to you and your family.
Take care.
ian crossland
You too, Bridget.
Much love to your family, man.
Thanks.
Hell yeah.
tim pool
You want to read that one?
serge du preez
Yeah, I got one from BuyBitcoinDaily, parentheses, Jake.
Tim, Luke, you guys are missing the point.
Crowder has been demonetized for years.
Crowder would be in the default the moment he signed the contract.
I brought that up too.
I mentioned that he's been demonetized for a long time.
tim pool
But it said, did it say demonetized?
It said banned.
Because he can still do ad reads.
serge du preez
I think it said, I think it said if he was banned.
Yeah, that was the thing.
tim pool
He can make a video.
And then be like, hey everybody, buy, you know, Harry's, or not Harry's, buy... Buy whatever he's endorsing.
ian crossland
Jeremy's Razors?
tim pool
Jeremy's Razors.
Harry's is the bad one.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, but he could just do that, you know what I mean?
There's interesting things about these contracts too.
You gotta understand the dirty games they play.
They'll be like, you have to, they'll say something like, we're gonna give you, you know, a big marketing budget.
We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna help promote your show.
You'll be like, wow, marketing budget, right?
And they'll say, yeah, we're gonna put half a million dollars in marketing behind your show.
And you go, okay.
And see, I'm good at business.
I'm not the best at business, but I'm just not bad.
And so I go, and where does that money go?
And then they'll say something like, oh, Well, there's stipulations.
It's not a marketing budget, you know, for like any kind of marketing.
What these companies will do is they'll find ways to like create value marketing, you know, that's not, you know, like, it's the true value of something is vague.
So they can be like, we'll give you a half a million dollars worth of X.
And then they'll just say like, oh, Ian, this water bottle's worth $100.
ian crossland
So like a targeted ad read, they'll be like, oh, it's worth $35 for 1,000 views.
rogan dc draino ohandley
They'll also pay themselves.
Exactly.
We charge $100,000 marketing fee for internal fees.
Here's our expenses.
And they'll probably, when it comes to marketing, they recoup it first.
tim pool
Or they'll have, some of these companies will have like, the guy owns 10 companies.
And they'll say, oh, as part of the marketing fee, we're hiring super marketing for $100,000 a year
to figure out a plan and strategize.
And you're like, but the CEO owns that company.
rogan dc draino ohandley
It doesn't matter.
Hollywood is dirty.
Entertainment is a little less dirty, but pretty dirty.
You absolutely need a very good lawyer.
Not just a lawyer, you need a top lawyer if you're gonna be doing a serious money deal.
tim pool
You'll be like, oh wow, half a million dollars in marketing.
And you're thinking to yourself, I can get a commercial on Fox News.
I can get a commercial in the New York, add in the New York Times.
I'll get a billboard in Times Square.
And they're thinking to themselves, we're gonna find a D-list celebrity.
We're gonna offer him the equivalent of $100,000 to do a shout out.
But what he'll get in exchange from us isn't 100 grand.
It'll be $100,000 worth of our time for consulting.
ian crossland
Our crypto token.
Or maybe a commercial on our network.
tim pool
So they'll be like, oh, this guy charges $100,000 per shout out.
So now your budget's down to $400,000.
Then they go to him and say, okay, now you're on the hook for this.
Here's what we're going to do.
We're going to give you 20 hours of our consulting.
So it's just like, it's all paper money.
They're like, Elon Musk lost more money than anyone else in the history of the planet.
No, he didn't.
That money didn't exist.
It was imaginary.
People don't get it.
There was no money there.
luke rudkowski
We got a $5 super chat from Alex who says, if Luke leaves, I'm canceling my We Are Change membership.
unidentified
Really, bro?
luke rudkowski
You gotta do me like that?
You're taking food out of Atlas's mouth, okay?
What is my co-host going to do?
How is my co-host going to eat?
And you gotta support your humble, poor t-shirt vendor, okay?
If you don't support it, where else are we gonna get the t-shirts?
ian crossland
So do you still shoot out of your RV when you're in Florida?
Do you ever go outside in the sun?
luke rudkowski
Well, it depends.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, that's like one of the reasons, you know, the beach, the sun, the environment, the people there.
It's amazing.
But Atlas is always behind me when I shoot my videos, so she's my co-host.
She's awesome.
ian crossland
Feed the beast.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
I can't see any of the older superchats.
luke rudkowski
I know, I can't either.
ian crossland
I want to start from the top.
luke rudkowski
Surge is a gatekeeper here.
serge du preez
Hey, I'm not gatekeeping!
luke rudkowski
You're gatekeeping.
serge du preez
You guys are talking so much that I can get a word in his way.
luke rudkowski
Chime up!
We're trying to get rid of the dead air here.
Come on.
serge du preez
Oh, it's not my fault.
I'm trying to switch and read these old chats and do this.
Come on.
You're doing me wrong.
Right now, David Tarantanto, he says, Toronto?
Toronto?
Yeah, Toronto.
Crowder doesn't have to sign it.
DW is a business.
They want to profit.
It's effing life.
I hope Crowder stays solo, but it's a business.
I think that's a lot of people don't realize it is a business.
ian crossland
That's important.
They offer the big ask.
They give him a really huge lopsided contract.
He comes back with a low ask and being like, no, no, no, put it there.
Then they find their way into a middle.
I mean, that's business.
serge du preez
Yeah.
There's another one here from Epstein Rope Co, which I really just want to read.
Cause that's hilarious.
I'm wearing a hat right now that says that.
tim pool
Oh man.
I want to, can we say, does that company exist?
Can we make a rope company called Epstein Rope Company?
serge du preez
We sure that'd be hilarious.
luke rudkowski
It just, it just breaks.
Doesn't work.
Every time we try to use it, it just collapses.
serge du preez
Anyways, Epstein Robeco said, you have DC Drano here and you're wasting our time talking about contracts.
I don't think we're wasting our time.
What do you think?
tim pool
It was a big crowd.
rogan dc draino ohandley
You know, we brought out my Hollywood expertise there.
But listen, it's an honor to be here and I'm happy to provide that.
Pardon me.
Everything else I do, I post it out there, so people know.
serge du preez
We also have an after show as well, guys, so if you want to see the after show, we don't have to be censored and be on the YouTube, under YouTube's whip, you can see us talk about more cool stuff.
We have another one, too, from Kevin Brady.
Crowder has missed a ton of time in the past from his show.
I don't think it's out of touch to say that they factored the penalty in to incentivize doing the show consistently.
tim pool
But he had medical reasons.
unidentified
Yeah, heart surgery or something.
luke rudkowski
That's a good reason, yeah.
tim pool
But I guess, here's the problem with these contracts.
You can't expect the Daily Wire to pay for a show that can't be produced, but the Daily Wire shouldn't expect to buy a show if they can't assume those risks.
Like, if I hire someone to work for Timcast and they get sick, and they're like, I can't work, it's like, okay, well, I don't stop paying them.
serge du preez
It's happened to me, I was sick a bunch, like a month or so ago.
tim pool
You know, we here at TimCast have unlimited sick time and unlimited vacation time because we're one of those hippie communist companies everyone makes fun of where the woman walks in like, here's my winded panther.
We got an espresso machine downstairs.
serge du preez
Did you see Sam Hyde's video making fun of that yesterday?
luke rudkowski
It was great.
It was so funny.
serge du preez
One of the funniest.
ian crossland
Here's a good one from Marquette Ashamed.
I hope I pronounced that right, Marquette.
Ian, what's your opinion on the Wizards of the Coast draft of the Open Game License 1.1?
Great question.
It is abhorrent that they're trying to take control retroactively of people's content that they had already signed under Open Gaming License 1.0, saying that they had the right to own it.
So what Wizards is doing, owner of Dungeons & Dragons, is saying, we're going to change our Open Game License that said anyone can use D&D rulesets, create their own versions, sell it, monetize it, create companies.
We're going to change that retroactively and now say you owe us a percentage of your work.
tim pool
Crosslands will be open source.
ian crossland
Gotta be.
tim pool
Tabletop RPG and card game.
ian crossland
Hell yeah!
But there's been a lot of pushback in the Dungeons & Dragons community against this OpenGL license 1.1.
It may not happen.
They were fishing it out.
tim pool
How do we do that?
How can we make an open source card game and tabletop RPG?
ian crossland
We would open source the ruleset.
tim pool
Right.
But they'd still have to be like...
A vote every, what, six months on, like, updates?
ian crossland
Well, what you could do is make it, like, free license codes so that anyone could use it and make changes, but all the changes are also free, so that anything that ever iteration of it gets used will also be available for a community.
tim pool
And then one might be, like, one version might become really popular for everyone to play, but there could be side versions.
Yeah, we should do something like that.
That'd be cool.
The card game, I think, open sourcing is the way to go.
Instead of us trying... I love Magic the Gathering.
It's just a fun game.
But boy, did they just...
Just beat that game to death.
ian crossland
Also Wizards of the Coast, same company.
tim pool
So I'm like, can we make a strategy card game that's just open source?
ian crossland
Yeah, but I don't, I don't know how that would work.
I don't know how that would work.
Because it would be just the art would you could plug in your
own art and card names, but it would still be if the stats the the so it could be that the rules and the structure of
tim pool
the game is open source, but the actual cards will be made by
like a specific committee. So like to construct the game, everybody, we just get a big community of people and they
all pitch the ideas and then we and then we have this huge
network of open source individuals, play testing and, and I bought
the you know, theorizing, then what we do is a certain group of
individuals, the core base, which is a little bit elitist, ultimately decide on the cards themselves, offer them up to
the community for comment, and game testing, and then the cards
are free to print.
And then we could maybe even like sell them as like, I don't know, I don't be able to do is not a profit, but I would I would be interested in selling the cards, not to make a profit just to produce.
Someone's got to pay for the printing.
But like, and there's gotta be some kind of standard to it, but secondary market would cover costs on a lot of things.
How can we do it?
That'd be fun.
ian crossland
It'd be interesting.
If you guys have ideas, tweet them or message me at Mines.
I know that we could, I started working on a rules base with like, instead of strength, intelligence, and dexterity, I've got like, aim, speed, you know, I have different skill stats, and those things could be open sourced if I could build out like, you roll a D10, if you have five speed, then you get five D10 when you roll.
It's kind of White Wolf style, I think.
luke rudkowski
I know you love your rules.
unidentified
I am.
ian crossland
I'm a big statist.
tim pool
We're gonna grab one more here.
This is from caper2x.
Says, Tim, are free eggs part of your employees benefits package?
The world wonders.
The answer is yes.
In fact, we have like consistently 100 eggs on the counter.
And so I'll walk in one day and be like, guys, take the eggs.
Take 18.
Grab a cart and go home with it.
Go eat them.
luke rudkowski
I take advantage of it.
I at least have like two eggs a day.
ian crossland
Do you ever eat them raw?
tim pool
That's amazing.
ian crossland
Or do you ever eat them raw?
You guys ever eat them, crack them, and just drink?
serge du preez
I haven't done that.
tim pool
No, I scramble them and splash a little vinegar in the pan and flip them around like Andrew Grew told me to do.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Chef.
Alright everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends.
Become a member at TimCast.com because you're supporting our work, you're helping me get sick time even though I'm still working every day.
I took the mornings off to try and rest my voice and it's only possible because you guys are members.
And the coffee shop stuff we're doing, the game ideas, everything we're trying to do, everything I believe in and everybody here is impacting culture.
And so a lot of you may have heard us, you know, Ian and I talking about tabletop games and other nonsense.
Look, Magic the Gathering is one of the most popular card games.
It's the OG card game.
The easiest way for you to understand it, if you're not familiar,
is it's when you combine poker and chess.
So it's a strategy, turn-based strategy, but you've also got that element of like,
what's in his hand?
What's he got?
Has he got the card?
Is he gonna beat me?
And it was extremely popular.
People who play it, they're not all like, you know, role-playing or anything.
It's not like cosplay.
It's like a strategy game.
But they went woke.
They're getting woker.
And this is really, really bad for culture.
Same thing with D&D, and now they want to own people who make the content.
ian crossland
It got bought!
Wizards of the Coast got... Well, D&D got bought by Wizards of the Coast, then got bought by Hasbro, so it's like this corporate conglomeration is... Blackrock owns Hasbro, so now we've got these weird... We want to make... I want it to be decentralized.
tim pool
I want it to be like skateboarding.
Of course there are skateboard companies, and you can buy their boards, but you can also make your own board, and you can skate.
I want to make a game that can have a huge impact on culture.
You go to card shops, and you're playing the game, But there is no centralized owner of the game.
There's a game format, the rules, the elements of it are open source and available to everybody, and then the popular versions exist, and you know, they can, maybe it's like someone makes their own card set, and you can choose to accept it or canon or whatever.
We gotta figure that part out.
But anyway, this is what we're doing, and if you believe in that, you wanna help us do things like impacting culture, making music, You know, impacting the skate community, building coffee shops, being a member helps.
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unidentified
DC Drano, you want to shout anything out?
rogan dc draino ohandley
I'm DC Drano on all the platforms.
serge du preez
Well, DC underscore Drano.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Yeah, DC underscore Drano.
You can follow me there.
luke rudkowski
What's your Instagram again?
rogan dc draino ohandley
DC underscore Drano.
luke rudkowski
Thank you so much for coming on.
That was great.
Really appreciate you.
My website is youtube.com forward slash we are change.
I did a video on there that's doing really well right now.
It is a deep dive on the World Economic Forum on Elon Musk and a lot of the other crazier stuff that's happening out there.
I got a big product launch coming soon.
That's going to be really funny and hilarious to stay tuned with that and everything that I do.
Check out youtube.com forward slash we are change.
See you there.
ian crossland
And I had a super chat here from, or it wasn't a super chat, it was just from Schutz that says, got to have a mud wizard in Crosslands.
I kind of like that, mud wizard.
I'm going to write that down.
Any advice or information or ideas you give me will be used at my sole discretion and will be owned by me and, or actually by Tim Cass.
So keep that in mind.
Everything's going to be open source.
I have no interest in controlling or owning any kind of information at this state of my life.
I have a feeling it won't be the last time, but it's been awesome to finally meet you guys.
tonight, but I really enjoy hanging out with you, man.
Hopefully we'll get to do this again.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I have a feeling it won't be the last time, but it's been awesome to finally meet you guys. I
have a lot of respect and admiration for what you're doing because,
like I was saying before, I speak to the MAGA base.
I try to be a voice of the MAGA people, but the audience that you guys are reaching is the most important because it grows this movement for freedom.
It's a big tent party and I'm not touching, I'm not reaching people in the card games and the video games and the skate shops.
So it's a team effort to help save this country and I'm just damn proud of what y'all are doing.
tim pool
We have to...
Inspire young people.
And if a young person goes to a comic book shop today.
When I was a kid, I'm 12, I go to a comic shop.
When I was 12, we were all rollerblading.
And I would rollerblade to the comic book shop.
I turned 13, I'm skateboarding all of a sudden.
At the comic shop, I'm watching Dragon Ball Z. I'm watching, you know, Justice League.
And those were the things that inspired me when I was a little kid.
Naruto and Goku and a lot of these anime, mangas and animes, whatever you call it, the character is always about someone underestimated who has to work really, really hard.
I'll give you an example.
Black Clover is an anime.
I stopped watching it, but I really like it.
It's this world where everybody eventually gets a grimoire like not everybody but some people have magic and like a book will appear and like whoa and then the book has magic spells they can cast.
This one kid desperately wants to be you know like a mage working for the king but he has no magic powers so instead he works out until he becomes this extremely physically powerful dude and then he's actually able to compete on a level with people who have magic And then eventually he does get like negative magic or whatever, but he's just got a sword.
And so what I really love about a show like that is that he's up against all these people who are either naturally talented or were gifted things or are prodigies.
And then he's always had to work as hard as possible, but he ends up winning.
That's the kind of message kids need to hear.
This dude, like they show him like just doing pushups nonstop and they're like making fun of him, like, ha ha, he has no magic.
And then he like jumps so hard he shatters the ground.
And it's like, No one's going to give you magic.
You have to do the work.
That's why we have to make games.
That's why we have to skate.
That's why we have to make music.
Because we don't want kids growing up watching shows where it's like, the world is owed to you.
You can have whatever you want.
You can even cut off your own genitals and you know, no, no, no.
We want to tell people like the world is not just, the world is not fair.
We have to work hard every day to bring that fairness, to bring justice.
And if we're going to be superheroes, it's not because you're an X-Man and you turned 13 and got magic powers.
It's because you did a hundred push-ups every single day and you earned that.
That's the message you got to give to kids.
That's what I'm talking about.
So, um, you do, do we mention, uh, do you search?
serge du preez
Yeah.
ian crossland
How do you pronounce your last name?
Exactly.
serge du preez
Uh, it's, it's yeah.
Splurge is my, it's my legal name actually.
Yeah.
But my name is Serge.
My name is pronounced Dupreeh.
My internet name is Dotcom.
D-O-T-C-O-M.
ian crossland
I keep wanting to be like, Dupreeh!
Engage!
I love that name, Dupreeh.
serge du preez
Hey, thank you.
My parents would be stoked to hear you say that.
Surge.com, I'm everywhere.
Surge.com, SoundCloud, Instagram, Twitter, I guess, all this stuff.
I'm trying to be more of a troll and be more annoying on Twitter.
I understand Twitter humor now.
ian crossland
Careful, though, because in text, they don't understand the context.
serge du preez
Oh, yes, yeah.
Too much sarcasm for my own good.
But yeah, follow me there.
I will be in the chat, as always.
I'll be in the comments, I should say, rather.
And yeah, talk to you guys there.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
Steven Crowder will be on this show on Monday, so just for those that made it this far in the show and didn't dip earlier, I will confirm.
unidentified
You told them!
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm getting texts from the crew and, you know, I'm talking to Steven as well.
ian crossland
Oh, they want to announce it.
tim pool
Well, I just asked him, I was like, is it okay if I tell people you're going to be on the show?
He's like, yeah, yeah.
So Steve will be here on Monday.
Soonest we can get him in.
Really excited.
Glad to, you know, I think it's gonna be really, really awesome.
He's got a lot he wants to say about this.
Obviously, we've given our thoughts.
We're more of the fence sitting, you know, milquetoast fence sitters on this regard.
But, you know, Stephen's invited to come.
And then maybe we'll end up having Jeremy back.
Because, I don't know, I like both these guys.
So this will be interesting.
This should be fun.
We're going to go to the Members Only section.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you all at TimCast.com.
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