Jan. 18, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Man, it's been a terrible week for me. | |
| I woke up this morning like, I'm gonna work again, my voice is getting better. | ||
| And it was worse! | ||
| And I'm like, how is it worse? | ||
| So, it's working now. | ||
| I think maybe by tomorrow morning it'll probably be okay. | ||
| But I started recording my first segment and I was getting angry because I'm like, I will not take another day off. | ||
| I hate taking days off. | ||
| And then after like four minutes, I literally couldn't talk. | ||
| I'm like, yo, this is BS, man. | ||
| When you said hate, you sounded like Cobra Commander. | ||
| I thought of Scrooge for a second. | ||
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Skeletor! | |
| He-Man! | ||
| As you were getting angrier, were you screaming louder and shredding your voice more? | ||
| I was trying to get louder to push through. | ||
| And then I stopped and I'm just like, if I'm going to get my voice better, I can't do it. | ||
| I have to stop. | ||
| I have to just go hang out and play Overwatch or something. | ||
| And I was pissed off the whole day. | ||
| Just like sitting there like angrily running around as Sombra just killing people from behind. | ||
| Sombra? | ||
| So not D.Va? | ||
| No, no, because Sombra goes stealth and then you can run behind somebody. | ||
| And then I was just, I like playing Bastion because, you know, he's got whatever it's called. | ||
| The dude with the big shield? | ||
| No, the artillery. | ||
| I'm a big fan of the dude with the big shield. | ||
| I'm just mowing everybody down and I'm like, I feel good playing video games. | ||
| Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, this is one of my favorite subjects in the world. | ||
| Steven Crowder put out a video called, It's Time to Stop, where he calls out the big con in conservative media. | ||
| And I commented on his video saying, Steven Crowder is right about everything. | ||
| I want to provide context as to what I meant by that. | ||
| Because he's right about everything in terms of how these companies function, how the contracts work, but I don't think the bigger picture, like, I don't think Steven Crowder commented on the bigger picture. | ||
| That's why, you know, I'm not going to say he's wrong. | ||
| But I think there's a lot to understand in how these contracts work and what the future has to hold. | ||
| So this is going to be a whole lot of fun. | ||
| I'm basically going to spill the beans on, like, basically everything to the extent that I can. | ||
| I know a lot of these guys. | ||
| I know the CEOs of all these companies. | ||
| I've talked with all of them about more than these things. | ||
| So I respect their privacy, I'm not going to reveal any confidential details that could harm anybody in any way, but I'll tell you about everything I can, personally, and how it's affected us, and Stephen Crowder calling out how this machine is working. | ||
| For those that aren't familiar with the context, basically Crowder left The Blaze and has been working on his own thing, I suppose, and obviously it looks like he's been shopping around. | ||
| He posted details of a contract he received, calling out what he calls the Big Con. | ||
| So we're going to talk about the media landscape, how everybody's responding to it, but we've got a bunch of other news too. | ||
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Hey! | |
| You know, we got Davos is happening, and a whole bunch of hookers are flying in. | ||
| And so I just think that's a funny story to talk about because they want to ban hookers for you, but they get all the hookers in the world. | ||
| So we'll talk about that. | ||
| Plus, I mean, to get serious, we got a crazy story. | ||
| There was apparently some failed GOP candidate who orchestrated, allegedly, shootings targeting Democrats. | ||
| Apparently, what was it, Luke? | ||
| He brought a fully automated machine gun that malfunctioned? | ||
| In one of the houses, yes. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| All right, so let's get into it. | ||
| Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member to support our work. | ||
| Full disclosure, man, we exist because of memberships. | ||
| Crowder brought this up in his video, he's completely right. | ||
| I saw the writing on the wall, he saw the writing on the wall, and so this is why everybody's creating subscription services. | ||
| Because for us to keep producing content, we rely on knowing how much money is coming in every month to pay salaries. | ||
| And that means we're, I remember a couple years ago, I was like, okay, just doing ads on YouTube is extremely dangerous because ads stopped when COVID happened, like gone. | ||
| And I'm like, well, our money's gone. | ||
| How do I even make a video? | ||
| I just got to cross my fingers and push through. | ||
| And then I'm like, we need to do a website. | ||
| We do a website with members only. | ||
| We create exclusive stuff for those members as something they can buy. | ||
| And then we know for sure, with like a drop off margin, how much money we will have per month | ||
| and if we can keep doing this and if we're growing. | ||
| And that's why we have the members only over at TimCast.com. | ||
| So become a member. | ||
| It really does make sure the machine works. | ||
| And then obviously, ad revenue is the icing on top. | ||
| And as a member, what you're investing in are cultural endeavors. | ||
| This is gonna be a big show because I'm gonna talk about Steven Crowder | ||
| and I'll talk about what we're investing money in, why Crowder encountered this contract that he did, | ||
| why these big companies offer these things. | ||
| And I think it's going to be enlightening for everybody as I explain how things work here, my motivations, my risks, my losses. | ||
| And I think y'all are in for a really, really interesting show. | ||
| So grab some popcorn because I'm going to talk hard numbers. | ||
| You're going to have fun with this one. | ||
| Smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, help you like my fancy glasses. | ||
| Joining us to talk about this and so much more, we got the crew from the Tower Gang. | ||
| What's up, brother? | ||
| Clint Russell, I'm the host of Liberty Lockdown, highly acclaimed, and the highly insane Tower Gang, with my brother Top Lobster, as well as Reed Coverdale, Toad, Fat Dave, named after Dave Smith, which I know everyone here is a fan of, and who did I miss? | ||
| Oh, Jose Galesan as well. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| This is the greatest graphic designer on earth, Mr. Top Lobster. | ||
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Yeah, I go by Top Lobster. | |
| I own TopLobster.com. | ||
| It's a merchandising company. | ||
| I'm the graphic designer for Break the Cycle with Joshua Smith, the vice chair of the LP. | ||
| I also own part of PodcastMerch.com, which is a company that we do merch for gas digital podcasts like Dave Smith's Part of the Problem, Michael Malice is still on there, Legion of Skanks, things like that. | ||
| So that's really what I'm focused on and thanks for having me here, guys. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Hey guys! | ||
| I'm going to be leaving this week, but not today! | ||
| And I wanted to remind you guys about BidenFetterman.com. | ||
| It's an actual website. | ||
| It is my website. | ||
| We talked about this yesterday, and that's why I'm wearing my Biden Fetterman 2024 shirt. | ||
| And to be specific here, when I mean Biden, I mean Hunter Biden. | ||
| It's the leadership that we deserve. | ||
| Let the ship sink already. | ||
| Let's get it over with. | ||
| You can get the shirt on BidenFetterman.com. | ||
| See you there. | ||
| Luke, what you don't understand is when the ship sinks, it's just a submarine, man, that's going to keep going. | ||
| It never stops. | ||
| We're better off taking control at the helm right now than letting it fall apart. | ||
| Hey, I wanted to point out, we did an episode of Liberty Lockdown last year. | ||
| I guess it was last year. | ||
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unidentified
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That's right, man. | |
| It was a while ago. | ||
| It was a good time. | ||
| Yeah, it was great. | ||
| I also did an episode with Jose, who's not here tonight, represent. | ||
| What's up, Jose? | ||
| No Way Jose. | ||
| That was a good time. | ||
| Ian Crossland, here. | ||
| Happy to be here. | ||
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unidentified
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High Energy Surge! | |
| Let's go! | ||
| Yeah, we were just talking about this before the pod that everyone thinks I'm super chill and I have no energy. | ||
| That's the joke, though. | ||
| My name is Serge. | ||
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As soon as the show's over, he goes crazy. | |
| Hey, I'm at Serge.com everywhere. | ||
| It's been fun. | ||
| I've been posting on Twitter trying to figure this machine out a little more. | ||
| But I'm excited to get into this. | ||
| It's going to be a good episode. | ||
| Tim seems ready to go. | ||
| He's got the glasses on. | ||
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Let's go. | |
| I grabbed a cough drop. | ||
| Let's see if that works. | ||
| All right, everybody. | ||
| Our first story from our good friends over at Media Matters, who I thought, you know, it's the perfect website to use when talking about the big con and Steven Crowder. | ||
| MediaMatters.org says, Steven Crowder lashes out at Big Con of conservative media for allegedly colluding with tech companies like YouTube. | ||
| Quote, those in charge, the big conservative, the big con, and it really is the biggest con going right now. | ||
| They're making it known in their contracts that they will enforce the guidelines of big tech and punish conservatives on their behalf. | ||
| Steven Crowder, one of the most prominent, if not the most prominent, I guess, what would you describe this conservative media movement or anti-establishment movement? | ||
| One of the most prominent voices, if not the most prominent, put out a video today just straight up calling out big conservative media. | ||
| I commented on the video, I said he's right about everything. | ||
| But I want to clarify what I mean by that, because maybe that's a little inappropriate. | ||
| He's right about the contracts. | ||
| He's right about the machine. | ||
| He's right about how this whole system works. | ||
| But there's an understanding you need to have. | ||
| The machine itself, these contracts, it's the product of How the law is structured, how the market is structured, and it's an inevitability. | ||
| The only way it changes, when people like Steven Crowder don't sign these deals, people like any of you who are signing up, don't sign these deals, say no to these deals, and build a completely new system. | ||
| And that means we've got big challenges. | ||
| It means that Disney's got an advantage. | ||
| You wanna know why Disney's got an advantage? | ||
| Because when Steven Crowder, he leaves the blaze, He's obviously shopping around. | ||
| That's why he's got this contract. | ||
| He says these terms are insane. | ||
| He doesn't need to sign it. | ||
| Many people do need to sign these deals, and they do sign these deals. | ||
| For a company like Disney, I remember I got a contract from them. | ||
| I signed it. | ||
| It was a lot of cash, a lot of cash I didn't have, and I said, okay. | ||
| And then, within the confines of that contract, I eventually was like, I know what I have to do, and I know what I'm not going to do, and you're not going to get me to do anything. | ||
| Please break my contract. | ||
| They said, no. | ||
| I got locked up for a couple years. | ||
| They call that golden handcuffs. | ||
| It is extremely common in the media industry. | ||
| I think Cenk Uygur talked about it when he was at MSNBC. | ||
| Yep, same thing happened to Jesse Ventura when he was critical of the war in Iraq. | ||
| They silenced him and essentially got rid of his show that they paid a lot of money for, and he essentially a year was just sitting and couldn't do any interviews or his own show, which is absolutely crazy. | ||
| So let's do this. | ||
| I'll start off by saying Stephen Crowder launching his own thing is the most important thing he can do. | ||
| But that the current reality of big media, especially with an anti-establishment landscape, is that these deals are quite literally impossible. | ||
| And more importantly, they're impossible for someone like Steven Crowder. | ||
| So I'll say this to get started, and then y'all are going to have to ask me questions, I guess, on what you're thinking. | ||
| Crowder's too big. | ||
| There's no way anyone can sign a deal with Steven Crowder. | ||
| It's just that simple. | ||
| Dude's got nearly 6 million subscribers. | ||
| How do you do a deal with this man? | ||
| He owns the space. | ||
| So imagine you're, we got a handful of companies, obviously everybody's giving their thoughts on which company they think this was that offered him a contract, but there's a lot, right? | ||
| Obviously there was The Blaze. | ||
| We know Rumble's doing a lot of deals with people. | ||
| The Daily Wire's obviously another big one. | ||
| They've got a big roster. | ||
| What are some other companies in the space? | ||
| InfoWars? | ||
| InfoWars, obviously. | ||
| I doubt InfoWars. | ||
| I don't know if Steven will go to InfoWars, though. | ||
| OAN? | ||
| No, I mean... OAN, Newsmax? | ||
| Given the legal troubles, probably not. | ||
| Honestly, Fox. | ||
| Fox is there. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
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Fox. | |
| They're looking for a comedian to host, I heard. | ||
| He'd be a great hire, by the way. | ||
| They got Gutfeld. | ||
| He's slaying it. | ||
| Yeah, Alex Jones and Stephen Crowder did multiple interviews, and Alex Jones even said that he's moving away from his kind of libertarian policies and agreeing with Stephen when it comes to more kind of statist solutions. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| It's completely possible. | ||
| So everybody has their speculation. | ||
| CRTV is also another big one. | ||
| No, but CRTV is the blaze. | ||
| Oh, got it. | ||
| Yeah, and turning point's a maybe, but I think Fox is probably a really good guess, too. | ||
| People gotta understand, whoever this company is, I would tell you Fox probably has the worst terms. | ||
| You guys want to play some games? | ||
| Fox guests aren't allowed on this show. | ||
| Yeah, not allowed. | ||
| You don't know about contractually? | ||
| I don't know about contractually. | ||
| I just know that I'm probably pissing off Fox right now. | ||
| Yeah, like, we routinely have people say stuff like, I wish, I'm a big fan, we love the show, we'd love to come on, too bad we can't. | ||
| By the way, Fox, whoever you guys, have your people come on, because it would be phenomenal for all of us. | ||
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Is it this show specifically, or just any podcast form? | |
| This show is specifically blacklisted for Fox personalities. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| Oh, that makes absolute sense. | ||
| We compete directly with Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people see a competition instead of actually, you know, working together cohesively. | ||
| There's also PragerU, Epoch Times. | ||
| There's a lot of media organizations in the space that do have the money that could facilitate this. | ||
| But how do you do a deal with Steven Crowder? | ||
| Let's break it down. | ||
| Let's break it down. | ||
| You got 6 million subscribers on Steven Crowder's channel. | ||
| Let's say you create the Crowder Club. | ||
| You know, he's got Mug Club, but let's say you're... I don't want to name any company, so let's make up a fake one. | ||
| Conservative Inc. | ||
| Let's say you run Conservative Inc. | ||
| and you're like, we got some investor cash. | ||
| You know, bigwig libertarian billionaire who bought a bunch of Bitcoin because he's a creep can afford to invest. | ||
| He's helping run our company, investing in our company. | ||
| We can hire one of these guys. | ||
| How much can we reasonably afford to spend? | ||
| Let's think about the revenues. | ||
| We'll use the Daily Wire because they've talked about their numbers. | ||
| What do they have, 900,000 paying subscribers? | ||
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Is that what it was? | |
| Yeah, Matt Walsh really brought in that money for them, to be honest. | ||
| So let's just look at their memberships. | ||
| They got a $7, a $10, and a $13, something like that. | ||
| So let's just go for the middle and say it's like $10 per person. | ||
| They're doing, what, $9 million in membership revenue per month. | ||
| They've also got, what, seven big personalities. | ||
| They've also got ad revenue. | ||
| Let me do a quick math on what I think their ad revenue might be. | ||
| Well, actually, no, I think they said, didn't it say they were doing like 100 million a year or something like that? | ||
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I don't remember. | |
| I don't remember either. | ||
| It was like 120. | ||
| I'd be willing to bet that they probably do, I don't know, 15, it's a guess, 15 million bucks per month. | ||
| Sponsorship revenue only goes so far. | ||
| You can be really, really big, but it only goes so far. | ||
| So let's say it's the bulk is memberships, 15 million per month, but you gotta pay for, what do they have, 300 employees? | ||
| I don't know the numbers at Daily Wire very well. | ||
| The top level talent has to be extraordinarily expensive. | ||
| Jordan Peterson, I imagine, they had to pay him like 10 million bucks. | ||
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In comparison to Steven Crowder, where is Jordan Peterson fall there? | |
| Jordan Peterson's a very different personality. | ||
| Steven Crowder has guaranteed numbers. | ||
| When you're trying to sign someone like Crowder, you're like, I can look at how many people comment, I can look at how many people view each of your videos, and not only that, If he's got membership-only content, he can provide those metrics as well. | ||
| And then you can say, I know how much money I can make off this. | ||
| But imagine you're... I don't even know how much money Fox makes. | ||
| They have cable contracts, which guarantees them probably like... | ||
| You know, hundreds of millions of dollars per year. | ||
| Yeah, guaranteed, just for being on the cable networks, because the cable deals, people sign up for cable because they want Fox News. | ||
| So Fox News, my question is this. | ||
| Let's say Conservative Inc. | ||
| contacts Steven Crowder. | ||
| How much can they reasonably afford to pay him? | ||
| How much can they make off of him? | ||
| And how do they make money off of him? | ||
| Let's take a look at this contract. | ||
| In this video, you can see this. | ||
| It says, Merch rights. | ||
| Blank will maintain the exclusive rights to create and sell Crowder and Crowder content branded merchandise. | ||
| All remuneration for the blank and exploitation of these rights is included in the fee. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Email list. | ||
| Blank will maintain the exclusive rights to manage, grow, and monetize all Crowder email lists during the term. | ||
| All remuneration for the exploitation of these rights is included in the fee. | ||
| Social media management. | ||
| Blank will have the exclusive right to manage, curate, and monetize Crowder's official Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Snapchat, Rumble, and other social media accounts excluding Crowder's existing personal Twitter and Instagram accounts during the term. | ||
| Additionally, Blank will have the perpetual and exclusive right to create, own, manage, curate, and monetize any and all social media accounts on any social media or similar platform as determined by Blank on the Crowder content or shows. | ||
| All remuneration for the exploitation of these rights is included in the fee. | ||
| What's the fee? | ||
| Was Crowder offered $100 million? | ||
| Because I gotta tell you, if someone came to me and said, look, we can make merch based on you. | ||
| Ours. | ||
| We can manage an email list. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Ours. | ||
| We're gonna handle all of your social media content. | ||
| All of that will happen only within the term as it states in the contract. | ||
| What's the term? | ||
| Typically three years is what they'll try to get you on. | ||
| Whenever I was negotiating contracts, they'd always say three years, and I'd laugh and I'd say no. | ||
| And they'd be like, but that's standard. | ||
| I'm like, I don't care what's standard. | ||
| We'll do two years. | ||
| And two years is gonna, oof, I did two years of Fusion. | ||
| What's the fee? | ||
| Is Crowder mad that they offered him a really garbage fee in exchange for control of all of his rights and all of his production? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I don't know. Don't know how much money he was offered. But I'll tell you this, if he was offered, | ||
| say, $200 million over three years, is that contract unreasonable? | ||
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No. | |
| If he was offered $5 million for three years? | ||
| Then it's unreasonable. | ||
| Absolutely. So that's a big question here. This contract may look exploitative, | ||
| but it's really, we don't know the consideration. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If I went to you and said, I will give you, like, if I had a contract and it said, like, | ||
| you must turn over your house immediately, you. | ||
| You must give me all property you own. | ||
| And then you went around showing people, like, look at this contract. | ||
| It says he can take everything from me. | ||
| People might be like, wow, that's crazy. | ||
| And then he's not showing you the page where it says in exchange, I give you my house and a million dollars. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, we don't know if the deal's fair or not. | ||
| If you're gonna sell your soul, you better back up the Brinks truck, you know? | ||
| It better be heavy money, because as you said, Crowder's making crazy money. | ||
| So he doesn't need to sell his soul. | ||
| Is he, though? | ||
| Well, do you not think so, with Mug Club and all that? | ||
| Who owns Mug Club? | ||
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He said he owns it. | |
| He owns it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He owns it now, or he owned it before? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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In this video, from what I saw, I watched about 20 minutes of it, he was saying that basically we can do this on our own with Mug Club, I can open up my own thing if need be. | |
| But he didn't really go into specifics about how much he's making. | ||
| So if he's going to open up his own thing, I'll tell you man, Crowder was six million subscribers when he did the coverage of the midterms and he had what like half a million live viewers. | ||
| If I was going to just spitball a number that I think Crowder independent would make, it would be $10 million per month. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The Daily Wire is big. | ||
| The Daily Wire is basically Ben Shapiro. | ||
| You've got Ben Shapiro and then you go down the roster. | ||
| So it's like, Matt Walsh now may be their biggest moneymaker. | ||
| Oh yeah, What Is A Woman was just massive. | ||
| These are things they've stated publicly. | ||
| They've talked about how they brought in like 300,000 new members off that alone. | ||
| I think that's what they said, I don't know for sure, it's just what I heard. | ||
| And I mean, you gotta think about that. | ||
| 300,000 new members on a documentary that probably cost a couple hundred grand to make, a couple hundred grand to market if you wanna do it big. | ||
| They had a Times Square billboard, I think they had it running? | ||
| Yeah, they knocked it out of the park with that. | ||
| So imagine you got 13 bucks a month is the tier to watch video and you had 300,000 people. | ||
| Let's say the average person stays on as a member. | ||
| The churn rate for every company is different, but let's say it's a year. | ||
| That's a lot of money to come in off one documentary. | ||
| I need to ask you a question, because you've got a lot more experience with YouTube. | ||
| By the way, Twice Struck, Liberty Lockdown, please forgive me. | ||
| My overlords. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I know not what I've done wrong. | ||
| But that's no joke. | ||
| Your channel got two strikes in the last, what, three weeks or something? | ||
| Ten days since I had James Lindsay on, he went down the same line of thinking that he expressed on this fine program. | ||
| I have no idea what I did wrong. | ||
| And they will not tell me. | ||
| They won't give me a timestamp. | ||
| It breaks my heart. | ||
| I'm trying my best. | ||
| Yes, to stay on there. | ||
| I really am. | ||
| It's important that you guys are listening, the admins, because Clint is, you actually mentioned you might not even be putting videos on YouTube for like 90 days out of fear that you get a third strike for unknown reasons. | ||
| I can't risk it. | ||
| And that's not good. | ||
| So if you guys can look at that and take care of it. | ||
| Please, I'm begging. | ||
| But the reason I wanted to ask Tim is because he's got so much experience with this. | ||
| Are you basically saying that Google What do you mean? | ||
| parent company of YouTube is so well ran in terms of paying their creators that you cannot | ||
| really compete in this space any longer? | ||
| Google? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Well, it seems as if you're implying that because Crowder has such an enormous following | ||
| on YouTube and the revenue that he's deriving from that. | ||
| OK, go ahead. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| What I'm saying is that the people who run let's just I don't want to name any specific | ||
| companies. | ||
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Sure. | |
| A lot of people are like, name names, name names. | ||
| I don't think there's bad guys here. | ||
| If you are a businessman, and you're like, how do we cultivate talent? | ||
| So look at The Daily Wire, for example. | ||
| Michael Knowles rose from inside The Daily Wire. | ||
| What was he like, he was an editor or something? | ||
| I can't remember what his job was. | ||
| Yeah, he was behind the scenes. | ||
| They found talent, they cultivated that talent, and they found a rising star. | ||
| Before the show we were getting into it and I was like, we've got to save it for the show. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| We make a lot of money at TimCast.com. | ||
| I've never talked about our membership numbers or things like that because I don't know. | ||
| It's a private business. | ||
| We're not a non-profit. | ||
| And I think a lot of people don't understand how expensive things can be and money when it comes to doing things like this. | ||
| But we do make a lot. | ||
| I love that you rake, by the way. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I think we do around eight figures per year. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| And it's almost exclusively just me personally. | ||
| So, we have employees who help run 10 Cast IRL. | ||
| Where's the Bugatti at? | ||
| Where's the private plane? | ||
| I have a Model S. The Bugatti's right here, baby! | ||
| We've flown private several times. | ||
| Nice, man. | ||
| And I'll explain a lot of this, too. | ||
| I'll just break everything down for everybody so you can understand how exactly everything works. | ||
| I don't care about fancy cars. | ||
| I don't care about big houses. | ||
| I don't care about infinity pools. | ||
| I care about literally none of it. | ||
| I don't care about having a million bitcoin. | ||
| I don't care about having a penthouse in New York City. | ||
| I care about good people doing good things to make things better because I don't like bad things. | ||
| And what do I see? | ||
| I complain about it all day, all the bad things. | ||
| So let me explain how this company works. | ||
| We're very different from Big Con and a lot of these companies. | ||
| I wish I was the kind of guy who could fire everybody, shut the whole company down, and then just take all of that money and put it in my pocket because it is almost entirely just me. | ||
| I talk about this quite a bit. | ||
| I told this to Steven. | ||
| Some days I think back to when I was sitting in New Jersey, in front of my computer, in my boxers, playing World of Warcraft. | ||
| I think, I can't remember which one, it was Legion, I think. | ||
| Uncovered the Void Elves, that was fun. | ||
| Unlocked. | ||
| And I had like 180,000 subscribers on YouTube.com slash TimCast. | ||
| I had 100,000 on TimCast News. | ||
| And I was making about $300,000 per year just off that. | ||
| And then Joe Rogan calls me up. | ||
| We have a conversation. | ||
| Then Joe Rogan invites me out. | ||
| And I say, this is awesome, I should totally do it. | ||
| Sometimes I think back and I'm like, maybe I shouldn't have done it. | ||
| Maybe I'd like to peer into the crystal ball and find that timeline where I said, Joe, with respect, love your work, not interested, have a nice day. | ||
| Because I'd be sitting there minding my own business, with no headaches, with no employees, and I'd be making a ton of money. | ||
| And then with that money, I could buy a bunch of gold bars, put those gold bars in my closet, and then a year later, I look in my closet, gold bars are sitting there. | ||
| So here's the thing about these big media companies, and why they do these deals, and why they offer the contracts they do. | ||
| First, I'll say it again. | ||
| Crowder's right to say no to these contracts. | ||
| He's right to say these contracts are bad. | ||
| Nobody should take these deals. | ||
| It's a new world. | ||
| Make your own channel. | ||
| Forge your way. | ||
| It is difficult, but that's what has to be done, especially for someone as big as Crowder. | ||
| I can certainly understand why there is someone thinking like, yeah, but if I get a job at the Daily Wire, I could be the next Michael Knowles. | ||
| Total fact. | ||
| Total fact. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| The majority of the money that we make here, we invest in people who don't make money back for us. | ||
| And I'm not trying to say this because I love everybody who works at TimCast. | ||
| We got an awesome team of really great people and they help make it all possible. | ||
| It is possible to run TimCast IRL on bare bones with maybe like one or two people. | ||
| But I want to make sure nobody's, like, going crazy and everyone's comfortable. | ||
| So we have, like, a handful of people who help. | ||
| We have people who book, people who schedule guests, you know, people who will handle the booking for us, do the paperwork. | ||
| It does require some people. | ||
| If I got rid of this show and just did my own personal YouTube channels, revenue probably wouldn't change that much, and I wouldn't have to worry about any of this. | ||
| I could take that money that I make from you guys watching my content, I could then buy a gold bar for $2,000, put it in my closet, close the door, a year later when I come back, the gold bar is still there, that's my gold bar, I will always have it. | ||
| Instead. | ||
| But you go and you look at that gold bar and then you walk out of your house and the world's on fire, Tim. | ||
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Yeah, that's the thing. | |
| I don't know you that well. | ||
| Maybe 45 minutes we spoke, but I could tell the type of person you are and you wouldn't be satisfied with that. | ||
| It's because I don't care about a gold bar. | ||
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Right. | |
| So here's what we have. | ||
| We have like 35 employees plus contractors. | ||
| I make a little bit of money off a bunch of our shows. | ||
| I think Cast Castle may be our second, now second most successful show because we've got a bunch of people who sign up to become members specifically to watch the shenanigans of the house. | ||
| I think that's awesome. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Pop Culture Crisis, our pop culture show, in the red. | ||
| Makes money, but in the red. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| But let me explain something. | ||
| And you know, shout out to the Pop Culture Crisis crew, you guys do a really, really great job. | ||
| We pay them a salary. | ||
| That's guaranteed income. | ||
| I don't make that money back. | ||
| How could I do a deal where I'm like, I will pay you more money or I will give you all of these things, like when a member signs up, you get a cut. | ||
| That's impossible. | ||
| I'm just losing money, but I want this thing to exist. | ||
| And then here's the best part. | ||
| Let's say I spend $500,000 on this show because I want it to exist. | ||
| And then they quit. | ||
| That money's gone. | ||
| Crap, I could buy gold bars. | ||
| They don't go anywhere. | ||
| They don't even walk. | ||
| You know, you just lock them in a closet. | ||
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What you're investing in, though, is you're investing in intangible. | |
| So, like, a pop culture crisis. | ||
| Culture. | ||
| That's what you're investing in right there. | ||
| You don't know what that will turn into. | ||
| And then we also look at, like, maybe some of the ESG stuff, where Disney will fund movies that are just complete garbage. | ||
| I'm doing the same thing. | ||
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And be in the red, but they're pushing a culture. | |
| They're pushing something. | ||
| They better not be garbage, Tim. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| This is what people need to get. | ||
| Impact investment. | ||
| Fox News. | ||
| Fox News. | ||
| The Daily Wire, Epoch Times, whatever, I'm not trying to call anybody out specifically, but they're in the business of making money. | ||
| They, of course, probably believe a lot of what they're doing. | ||
| You wouldn't start a business selling birdhouses unless you liked making birdhouses. | ||
| But I don't need the company to make money. | ||
| So this is what I'm saying about Crowder being right. | ||
| What we're doing and what Crowder needs to do is different. | ||
| Crowder will be rich for the rest of his life. | ||
| He has nothing to worry about. | ||
| What Crowder needs to do now is take those resources from those who care about him, those who respect his voice and believe in the movement, when they buy Mug Club and when they invest, he needs to then do exactly what he's saying. | ||
| That's why I say he's completely right. | ||
| He's like, I will sign you. | ||
| I will get you this deal. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Because Disney is doing ESG. | ||
| They're hiring woke people at a loss because they want the politics. | ||
| I'll play the same damn game. | ||
| I could invest all of my money in something much easier. | ||
| You know, I could call a wealth management guy and be like, look, we're making eight figures. | ||
| Take all the money, all the profit, and invest it in BlackRock and Vanguard, whatever garbage company that wants to destroy the planet. | ||
| I am doing that. | ||
| So I mentioned we've flown in private planes. | ||
| I've got a Model S. I'll tell you exactly why I have a Model S. I don't want a Model S. I don't want an expensive car. | ||
| But I can't just have money sitting in the bank. | ||
| That is not a reality. | ||
| It devalues over time. | ||
| Especially with the way inflation was going, what ends up happening is I'm sitting there and we have profit come in and I'm like, okay, I have this money that came in. | ||
| I want to invest in something. | ||
| We have to have a certain amount in our savings account to run the business, because when COVID happened, revenue dropped to, like, we basically were sitting on top of red, and that was a scary thing to see happen. | ||
| Now I've got 30-plus employees. | ||
| I can't go in the red. | ||
| If we don't have that rainy day fund, people don't get paid. | ||
| Okay, can't do that. | ||
| Also, can't just have cash in the bank. | ||
| It's losing value and people want raises. | ||
| So you have to buy something that will retain its value. | ||
| So property in any capacity. | ||
| Well, I really relate to your story and this is I think why I'm a fan of yours is because you don't need to be doing what you're doing in terms of fighting in the culture war and yet you're doing it. | ||
| And this is actually one of my major disagreements with the old guard of the Libertarian Party is that they They really abdicated their duty in terms of engaging in the culture war at all. | ||
| You know, they just said, let people do as they see fit. | ||
| And that's not our business. | ||
| We just want the government out of it. | ||
| And, and while obviously I agree with that sentiment, I think at the end of the day, the reason that Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh and these other people get to drag us through the mud and pretend as if we're, you know, degenerates and we have no, uh, moral fabric or, you know, culture to ourselves at all. | ||
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As they should. | |
| Well, they should be doing that, but they're wrong, and I think it's because we didn't engage in that fight. | ||
| So I love that you were talking on the show last night about creating the coffee shops or the skate shops and having our crew of media that's playing as opposed to having CNN playing in the gym and things like that. | ||
| I think it's so important that you're doing that. | ||
| And the other reason I relate to your story is because I ran a private mortgage company, and I was making a half a million dollars a year, and I had no employees, and I was just raking. | ||
| I was just doing great. | ||
| And I did that for 10 years, and then the lockdowns happened, and I was like, oh, I've been ignoring the insanity of our world for too long. | ||
| 2020 strikes. | ||
| Obviously, lunatics are in charge of us. | ||
| They lock us down. | ||
| They screw up everything. | ||
| And I'm like, well, I need to do something about this. | ||
| So, I shut down my company, I start Liberty Lockdown, then Tower Gang. | ||
| At some point, things get so dire that we're forced to engage. | ||
| And if you want to ignore that, I could have done the same thing. | ||
| I could have gone out and bought bars of gold, but then I'm in a world that's hell. | ||
| So why would I do that? | ||
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If I could just tag on to what you were saying. | |
| A couple days ago you had the Krasenstein Brothers on and they said something that bothered me. | ||
| Everything they say bothers me. | ||
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No, no. | |
| Something that I kind of, like, it really stuck with me. | ||
| They said they don't like that Republican legislature is making laws against, or focusing too much on culture. | ||
| I'm probably paraphrasing it wrong. | ||
| They said they care too much about social issues. | ||
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Correct. | |
| Yeah, that's what they said. | ||
| I mean, I think that you guys are completely over the target. | ||
| You have pinpointed an issue in this society, a linchpin that is, well, I mean, it's holding them together, but you guys are right over it. | ||
| And when the left sees that, or whoever it may be, when they see that, they kind of start to get frazzled. | ||
| And they said it out loud, which to me was kind of amazing, but I've heard it before multiple times where you're calling someone out for what they're doing. | ||
| Does anyone ever talk about the healthcare policies of Iran? | ||
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No. | |
| What do they talk about? | ||
| What does the left talk about when it comes to countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia? | ||
| Hijabs. | ||
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Women's rights. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Women's rights. | ||
| Optics. | ||
| Treatment of gay people. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| So what happens is, on the right, you have the vanguards of social order. | ||
| Where they're saying like, guys, if we go down that path, no one will ever care about healthcare policy because people will be dying. | ||
| The left, like the Krasensteins, they're more liberal. | ||
| They're more default liberal. | ||
| They're like, I don't understand why culture matters. | ||
| I'm concerned about someone getting healthcare or a job. | ||
| And I'm like, that's downstream from where we're at. | ||
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I agree with you, but when the cultural apparatus is completely on that side there, every time I open my eyes, if I turn on my phone or the TV, it's something from a left-leaning cultural establishment. | |
| It's kind of hard for me to separate these two things. | ||
| It's so monopolized. | ||
| I really believe that if we don't engage in that fight, then The future generations are owned by their dictates and we stand no chance. | ||
| So we have no choice but to engage. | ||
| And the people that actually have financial capital or success or brand recognition or name recognition that exists in our space, as far as I'm concerned, maybe it's altruistic, maybe it's too haughty and lofty, but I think that we have a duty to engage in their arena, the one that they don't want us to be engaging in. | ||
| Yeah, one of the issues up to this point that Libertarian has had, I think, is that it's very live and let live, like you do you according to politics, like your politics, but then they also said that about culture, like whatever, but the reality is we are embedded in each other's realities, like culturally, regardless of our politics. | ||
| I'm so down with letting you do your own politics over there, but if it's altering the way my kids view their gender or changing the way my kids think, I'm involved no matter what my This is why I have such a harsh disagreement with the reasons and the Cato Institutes of the world that that frame us as being basically we are not allowed we're not permitted by their establishment Libertarian Inc banner to engage in this discussion whatsoever. | ||
| They don't want us to comment on You know, ESG and CRT and any of the things that are going into our culture, which is like gutting our civilization. | ||
| And I take that very seriously. | ||
| And most libertarians I know do as well. | ||
| So when people recognize, you know, Cato or Reason as the standard bearers for libertarianism, it drives me insane. | ||
| And that's why. | ||
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Crowder's done that multiple times. | |
| Yes. | ||
| But I want to read this. | ||
| We've got a couple of Super Chats. | ||
| And this is a really good example of one of the biggest problems that we have in the culture war. | ||
| We got Blunt News who says, Tim telling all his employees he doesn't need them, right to their face in front of the world, you're welcome to the five dollars, it's the last. | ||
| Another guy says, Tim, you need to slice a humble pie. | ||
| No, let me speak, bro. | ||
| I got a guy that's being honest with me. | ||
| That's the first step. | ||
| That's not even it. | ||
| You basically said your employees are inconsequential, have some respect for the people who took the risk. | ||
| But this is the point. | ||
| The view of those super chatters is, the purpose of the business is to make money. | ||
| No. | ||
| If I'm going to do anything in terms of leading a culture war charge, it's impossible without the people who work at this company. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| The money is garbage. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| I don't need it. | ||
| I'd rather hire someone like Shane Cashman so that he can write these stories and profile people like Carrie Lake and Kanye. | ||
| Excellent article. | ||
| The way I've explained it is, what would I rather have? | ||
| An infinity pool? | ||
| Or for the world to be able to read a breakdown of what happened in that courtroom with Carrie Lake. | ||
| For the world to have that article. | ||
| So when someone says, like Tim's saying, his employees are inconsequential. | ||
| Oh, you misunderstand. | ||
| They're inconsequential to me making money. | ||
| But who the cares if I make money? | ||
| We all care if fact-based news is being written. | ||
| Hey, guess what? | ||
| We're news guard certified over at TimCast.com. | ||
| That's only possible thanks to our newsroom. | ||
| Does the newsroom make money? | ||
| It makes a little bit, but I spend more on it. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it is more important to have these people able to do the world-changing things they do than for me to buy gold. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| How about this? | ||
| I could, if I was that kind of guy, be like, I'm the one who makes the money. | ||
| What do I need anyone else for? | ||
| But I don't care about that. | ||
| When you guys become members of TimCast.com, when you guys super chat, I'm basically saying, who else can I empower to try and change the world? | ||
| And it really is crazy. | ||
| And I think about it and I'm like, man, like some of the stuff that's been produced by like, you know, shout out to Shane Cashman, the News Team, Pop Culture Crisis. | ||
| I'm like, this stuff is gonna last forever. | ||
| And it is infinitely more valuable than any material object. | ||
| The abstract ideas that are produced. | ||
| And I gotta give a shout out to Shane. | ||
| Because I think him profiling the Carey Lake trial is a piece of history that needed to exist, and I am eternally grateful that you guys watching made that possible. | ||
| He's one of the best writers I have ever seen. | ||
| I just want to talk about the Crowder situation here a little bit, because I think Crowder was kind of insulated away from the business aspect of what's really going on in this media sphere for a very long time when he was working at The Blaze. | ||
| And when he's given these contracts, a lot of the times, a lot of these businesses usually do very high asks in the beginning. | ||
| You get a lawyer, you negotiate it down. | ||
| There's a long process here where you got to go back and forth. | ||
| And there are a lot of competitive, very cutthroat individuals in this game that we do have to address that do care about themselves rather than the overall message. | ||
| So when Crowder says that, I agree with him. | ||
| And it's because of these contracts, because of a lot of these cutthroat Uh, individuals why I personally have been independent my entire career. | ||
| I'm very happy that I've been independent. | ||
| I'm very happy that I'm able to do what I want. | ||
| And if I could talk to Crowder, if he's listening, I would say, Hey, your freedom is a lot more valuable than being under any kind of contract or, or, you know, mandatory thing that you have to do. | ||
| For this show, I volunteer here because I like to do this. | ||
| But at the same time, I don't want any kind of responsibilities. | ||
| I don't want any kind of duties. | ||
| I want to do what I want to do. | ||
| And having that kind of freedom is more important than anything else. | ||
| I've been doing this since 2006. | ||
| I had my own members area for eight years on lucancensor.com. | ||
| I have a lot of fun doing this. | ||
| And independent media is supposed to be independent, and I think he has a pathway right now to do a lot of good. | ||
| I disagree with some of his larger political ideas, but I think what he's dealing with right now is just the reality of the current situation that he's speaking about. | ||
| So I'm kind of happy that he is speaking up against this and bringing attention to it. | ||
| I'll put it this way. | ||
| Luke and I had a conversation a while back about him being a recurring guest or co-host, and ultimately it was like a work exchange doesn't make sense between both of our different companies. | ||
| And so Luke's like, well, I like coming on the show. | ||
| And then Luke finds his own way to monetize. | ||
| And that's okay. | ||
| You know, you don't got to be here. | ||
| You can be here if you want to be here. | ||
| Regarding, it's a mutual agreement, right? | ||
| It's not, nothing's forced. | ||
| Nothing is expected. | ||
| We just do what we do. | ||
| We love talking to each other. | ||
| I love being on the show. | ||
| And it's a fun time. | ||
| And I, you know, it's a pleasure. | ||
| And then he leaves abruptly. | ||
| It's super important. | ||
| Not abruptly. | ||
| I give you like at least two weeks and I give you the kind of stat. | ||
| I'm like, hey, I'm going to be coming here for a few months, then leaving. | ||
| But we've talked about like Luke being on permanently, but Luke runs his own company. | ||
| Luke travels, so... And to be honest with you, it's going to be very difficult to, you know, pay me, because, like, I value my time a lot, right? | ||
| And it's going to be a lot of money to be able to have me not do what I want to do. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is a really good point, actually. | ||
| Luke, you have your own t-shirt company, you have your own show, you have your own website, you have your own business entities. | ||
| How could I do a contract deal with Luke? | ||
| Because, like, the thing you gotta understand about employment, when you're an employer, In the space, you work, you own what is produced by the employee. | ||
| So, like, if you get hired by a music production studio to make music, guess what? | ||
| Your music is owned by them. | ||
| If they hire you and say, we're hiring you to write songs, you're not going to go write a song and then be like, oh, but this one's mine, I wrote it later. | ||
| It's like, no, we hired you to write music, you don't keep it. | ||
| So, there's no way. | ||
| We could do something. | ||
| I can't own Luke's social media. | ||
| I think the nature of the problem really is that many of these creatives, or these creators, they have an audience, but they're not business people. | ||
| And I think that's what differentiates some of you guys in this room, actually all of us in this room, is that we have a real entrepreneurial bent that allows us to create that revenue stream that allows us to continue to speak the truth and not be beholden to anybody. | ||
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Well, I didn't really have this kind of entrepreneurial bent or understanding of business either. | |
| You do now! | ||
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Well, yeah, because I studied, like, Misesian economics. | |
| Right. | ||
| But it's kind of amazing to rise to this level of, like, of notoriety and still, like, especially in speaking in the political realm, still not understand the economics behind it. | ||
| It's kind of baffling. | ||
| That's why immediately when I saw it, I thought there's something more nefarious going on. | ||
| And Tim's just explaining, no, it's just like a numbers issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't, I don't, I don't blame the company who made the contract, mostly because I don't know what the fee is. | ||
| And that's really important. | ||
| But it changes everything. | ||
| Yeah, but the contracts, the whole, like, we own your persona, you're in perpetuity forever, henceforth, we own the right to the Stephen Crowder character, they'll be deep faking him and making him say stuff after he's dead, like, you cannot, these are old contracts from 1990s that they're still trying to pigeonhole into modern era what they should be doing assigning tech contracts. | ||
| Roll that 20-sided. | ||
| I'm gonna roll 100. | ||
| No, no, no, I'm saying that, that D. I got a 96. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| That D20 with only 20s, that's, you're absolutely right. | ||
| Well, what they should be doing is signing tech contracts with Crowder so that they do all his back-end stuff. | ||
| He can keep doing exactly what he likes to do, and they're taking a piece off the top 5%, 8%, 10% after cost, 3% after cost. | ||
| Not trying to hit a goldmine with the next big up-and-coming, because it used to be that people didn't control their own proliferation of art. | ||
| You had to go to the network, then they would proliferate it for you. | ||
| Now you proliferate your own stuff. | ||
| And we need to treat these artists with that kind of respect. | ||
| Knowing that. | ||
| I think part of the reason that not just the culture but the economy has also been taken over and dominated by the left is that we've really lost the competitive edge that I think many in the conservative libertarian sphere once had, where it was like, we're gonna find a way to compete with you. | ||
| Scumbags like we're going to find a way and and I wish that instead of Looking at these contracts and Crowder kind of framing it as him being a victim of it He were to say I'm going to I'm going to replace you you offer me these terrible deals because if it's if you can do that Then do it. | ||
| Yeah, you don't need to complain if someone sent me this contract. | ||
| I would take a dump on it. | ||
| I feel like I'm a free human being. | ||
| I get to do what I want. | ||
| You want to monetize and control every aspect of my existence? | ||
| Hell freaking no! | ||
| Because I could do a way better job at it myself and no one's going to be controlling me or pulling my strings. | ||
| That's what he said to me. | ||
| I sent him a contract and then Luke just got... | ||
| It's important not to get emotional when you get these weird contracts from ignorance. | ||
| Don't let your emotions charge up when you get insulting offers. | ||
| Just stay cool and counter-offer it with more than what you want, even. | ||
| Give it to them. | ||
| Give it back. | ||
| And if they laugh at it, then walk away or renegotiate. | ||
| We're not talking about 17-year-old Taylor Swift signing a crappy contract. | ||
| We're talking about a 30-something-year-old man, or 40, I don't even know how old he is. | ||
| You're not a victim here. | ||
| Yeah, you're not a victim here. | ||
| I think, you know, he's been working with The Blaze for so long, he's not been in this space. | ||
| It's kind of like, you know, when you're in a relationship for a decade and then you break up or divorce or whatever and you're going back in the dating pool and you're like, whoa, this is crazy. | ||
| Shark tank. | ||
| Yeah, like what do they expect of me? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I see this and I'm like, again, the first and most important thing is what's the fee? | ||
| Because, you know, Luke was mentioning if I got a contract, take a dump on it. | ||
| But Luke, what if they offered you $200 million? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| One year. | ||
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What's your number, Luke? | |
| $200 million, one year. | ||
| I gotta read the contract. | ||
| I gotta read all of it. | ||
| That would be good. | ||
| But if they're gonna destroy everything I do, I don't want it. | ||
| They could delete his YouTube account with that contract. | ||
| You could do unspeakable things to me for $200 million. | ||
| Unspeakable. | ||
| What was Kanye's goal? | ||
| You reach a certain point when you have so much money, it doesn't really matter, right? | ||
| That's why I don't understand a lot of these kind of sociopaths. | ||
| I ain't got that kind of money. | ||
| I don't understand a lot of these sociopaths and billionaires. | ||
| I was looking at $500 million yachts last night. | ||
| Yeah, but who cares? | ||
| I'll tell you, the number is probably like $200,000 per year, and then everything afterwards is confusing. | ||
| It depends on, for me, I'll tell you my story. | ||
| You know, everybody knows I grew up on the south side of Chicago, poor family. | ||
| I remember when I bought Pokemon Red. | ||
| I worked at my family's coffee shop. | ||
| We took out loans, put the house as collateral to get it, ended up losing the house when everything fell apart. | ||
| But I remember working for tips, saving up 30 bucks, and then going buying Pokemon Red. | ||
| And I was like, wow, that was so hard for me to do. | ||
| And I knew kids whose parents bought them red and blue, just because it was like, it was only 30 bucks, what do we care? | ||
| My dad makes six figures. | ||
| I was like, oh, my dad makes $30,000 a year. | ||
| So I had to work really hard for that. | ||
| So for people who grow up, With a really high standard of living, it's hard for them because they're so used to it. | ||
| I've met a lot of people who were born to families who were, you know, millionaires. | ||
| And when they're older, they're panicking about not making $500,000 a year because they're like, how do I hang out with my friends? | ||
| They're flying to Ibiza next week. | ||
| I got fired from my job and I'm only, I got an offer. | ||
| It's $125,000. | ||
| I can't fly to Ibiza on that. | ||
| I'm laughing like... | ||
| Never flown to Ibiza. | ||
| I can't relate to those people, to be honest. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Even though I've made money like they have. | ||
| So what ends up happening is, I worked for Vice. | ||
| Vice paid me $85,000 to start. | ||
| Because I said, guys, I don't care about the money. | ||
| I could probably come in here and tell you, with everything behind me, you've got to pay me a lot of money. | ||
| You'd probably say yes. | ||
| I want guarantees. | ||
| And I laid out the business guarantees that I wanted. | ||
| And said, if that's what you can give me, Then the money needs to get me an apartment and pay my bills. | ||
| And they said, okay, $85,000, but we give you these three guarantees. | ||
| Deal. | ||
| After a few months, I said, you're falling short on two of the guarantees. | ||
| That means you're not paying me what we negotiated. | ||
| The money is ancillary. | ||
| They said, okay, we're going to get you these things to make it up for you. | ||
| We'll give you another 15 grand per year. | ||
| I said, okay, now I'm at a hundred. | ||
| After about a year and a month or so, I came to them and said, guys, we've had three meetings. | ||
| I really appreciate everything you've done for me. | ||
| I quit. | ||
| And they were like, I can't believe you're quitting. | ||
| Who quits Vice? | ||
| Nobody quits Vice. | ||
| Fusion offered me $250,000 per year for two years plus $200,000 in writing in my hands to take that job. | ||
| So I sat down with them and they wrote it down. | ||
| And I laughed and I'm like, they would offer me more money if I asked. | ||
| Instead, I said, okay, how about this? | ||
| Instead of paying me more money, I want $300,000 a year in production budget at my discretion and $25,000 in tech at my discretion. | ||
| And they said, So we don't pay you that. | ||
| It's just towards what you're making. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're like, OK, deal. | ||
| Like in their mind, they were thinking like we would have given this guy that money for his pocket. | ||
| And I'm like, no, no, no. | ||
| It's easier to negotiate that. | ||
| I want to make something important. | ||
| And then for them, they don't lose any money. | ||
| They were like, but what it does for me is contractually guaranteed me the ability to travel, do whatever I wanted to do without impedance, because I had my own budget. | ||
| I had a very similar story, by the way, and I don't want to mention names here, but it's someone prominent that I previously looked up to, and I was like, I really want to work for these guys. | ||
| They're like, what do you want? | ||
| I'm like, just pay me the minimum. | ||
| Let me fly around the world. | ||
| I was broke. | ||
| I didn't have a job. | ||
| I just really love to do this. | ||
| I was like, fly me around the world. | ||
| I'll cover events. | ||
| I'll do it for bare minimum. | ||
| They're like, okay. | ||
| Is $70,000 okay? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, sure. | ||
| I'll risk my life for that. | ||
| I'll cover riots. | ||
| I'll get arrested. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| And they're like, okay, fine. | ||
| I went down there, signed the contract, met the CEO. | ||
| We signed it together, had a dinner, shook hands. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to have a job. | ||
| I packed up my car, was ready to move. | ||
| This was at the peak of my career during Occupy Wall Street, and I remember just getting the best coverage, and this contract said you can't monetize your own stuff, you can't do everything, and I was getting record views, the most views on my YouTube than ever, doing live streams, interviewing Lupe Fiasco, all these celebrities, and then they stopped taking my phone call, and then they stopped answering my text messages, and then they stopped answering emails, and I contacted one person, a second person, a third person, and they all started ignoring me, and I'm like, what the hell's going on here? | ||
| And then a couple weeks later, like, oh yeah, sorry, we don't have enough money, which was a lie. | ||
| You're, uh, too bad. | ||
| And now I lost out on some of the biggest income that I could have made. | ||
| I lost out on business opportunities. | ||
| And I'm like, you know, this is what I get for trying to work with anybody. | ||
| I'm not going to be working with anybody. | ||
| I'm going to be independent. | ||
| I'm going to continue to be independent, even though I'm struggling, even though I'm not getting any money. | ||
| This is why I created my members area and and LukeUncensored.com, which it is right now. | ||
| And I made my own way. | ||
| And I'm a lot happier. | ||
| And looking back at it, I am so happy I didn't work for that company, because that company had its own legal problems, and more importantly, I have my own thing that I built myself, that I'm super proud of more than ever, and no one could take that away from me. | ||
| I want to address some of the super chats. | ||
| They're right. | ||
| They're saying Crowder's not claiming to be a victim. | ||
| He's calling out a few things. | ||
| One, the massive penalties, and that they're based on if you get a strike on YouTube or Apple, they'll dock you fees. | ||
| Yeah, I can explain that. | ||
| Again, Crowder's right not to do a contract like this. | ||
| But imagine I say to you, all right, Tower Gang guys, I've seen how much your podcast makes. | ||
| Let's do a deal. | ||
| Right now, you guys make, we're gonna do random magic numbers, because I don't know how much you guys make. | ||
| So I see that you guys this year made $5 million. | ||
| Amazing job. | ||
| Last year you made 4.8. | ||
| I think that if I sign you and manage the ads on your show, I'll take your workload down by 25% but increase your revenue growth 40% year over year because we have a big network of ads. | ||
| So here's what I'll do. | ||
| You got no reason to sign with me unless I pay you more than five million, right? | ||
| Well, it looks like you're on a trajectory to do 200,000 more this year than last year. | ||
| I'll make it 500,000. | ||
| I will guarantee you 5.5 this year and six in the next year for a two-year contract. | ||
| Guarantee you that money. | ||
| Okay, now what happens if you go on- Do we have upside though? | ||
| What? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then after that guarantee, you know, we take 10% of your revenue, right? | ||
| Whatever the deal is. | ||
| So that way, or it's probably gonna be like 20, because we're doing a guarantee. | ||
| I'm giving you a growth guarantee, but I'm so confident I can make more money, that after we do this guarantee, I know I'm gonna make that five million, I'm gonna make five million this year off your show, so I'm getting that money back, you're getting guaranteed growth, I'm doing the work to grow it, and then after that growth, you still keep 80% of it. | ||
| But here's the thing, what if I do this contract with you, and then you go and start ranting about a cabal of people with tiny hats? | ||
| And then all of a sudden you get banned from every platform. | ||
| And then I'm like, my guy, I can't pay you money. | ||
| There's no money to pay you. | ||
| And you're like, you guaranteed me five, five, five, and then six, pay up. | ||
| That's, you know, you have to have these in the contract. | ||
| Otherwise you're basically just burning cash potentially with a, you know, crazy cancel culture world we live in. | ||
| You have to be prepared for that. | ||
| You just have to. | ||
| So I imagine, you know, the deal with Crowder, is they said we're gonna pay you, | ||
| you know, let's, I don't know the number, but let's say they were like, | ||
| we'll give you $15 million per year, guaranteed. | ||
| No matter how much membership you bring in, no matter how many ads you sell, | ||
| we will take the risk on our end. | ||
| So here's what I imagine happens. | ||
| They go to Crowder and they say, I'm looking at your numbers. | ||
| I'd be willing to bet, because we don't know, because the Blaze has those numbers. | ||
| But this other company is probably not The Blaze, because he left The Blaze. | ||
| It might be The Blaze. | ||
| It might be his contract renewal, for all we know. | ||
| And a lot of people, I know everybody's saying they think it's The Daily Wire, but there are a lot of companies in this space, and this could be him re-upping his contract and then getting angry, and that's why he left. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| It could be Fox, too. | ||
| I mean, look how small those letters look. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It could say FNC. | ||
| Fox News Corporation. | ||
| So, imagine they go to him and say, It looks like you make, based on your numbers, $12 million per year. | ||
| We'll give you $15 million. | ||
| That means we're going to risk $3 million of our money that we don't know if we'll get back. | ||
| That also means if you're willing to accept $3 million more per year that you normally don't get, You have to be responsible in terms of how these platforms operate. | ||
| That means if Facebook gives you a strike, if YouTube gives you a strike, and you can't make that money, here's what we're going to do. | ||
| We're going to give you a flat percentage docking on our guarantee. | ||
| Now, a lot of people think that's a bad thing, but think about this. | ||
| If you get a strike on, and I do think the contract is bad, by the way, but I'll explain. | ||
| If you get a strike on YouTube, you guys got a strike, you got two strikes. | ||
| You can't produce for 90 days. | ||
| So that's 25%. | ||
| Yeah, of a year. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Of the whole year. | ||
| No money can be generated on these platforms. | ||
| And they won't even tell me what I said wrong. | ||
| Well, they might. | ||
| But let's hope. | ||
| Somebody says, I'll do a deal with you where I'll guarantee you money, but if you get knocked out for three months, we're not going to pay you that money. | ||
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Correct. | |
| Here's what I think with this contract Steven was offered. | ||
| The fees? | ||
| Exorbitant. | ||
| The response from Crowder? | ||
| In my opinion, should have been a response with, remove the fees, assume the risk, and we got a deal. | ||
| Yeah, counter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that the issue is, as he points out, he's in a position to say no to this, and younger people aren't. | ||
| And the fees listed in this contract are ridiculous. | ||
| Like 25% for a YouTube strike? | ||
| Like dude, one YouTube strike is two weeks. | ||
| Not three months. | ||
| No, it's actually, one strike I think is only one week, and then it's two weeks, and then it's permanent, but it's still, you have to, you reconfigure the entire nature of the show after you receive those strikes, because you have to like, completely reformulate your brain to try and stay safe. | ||
| But the reason that I framed it as Crowder kind of behaving in a victim mentality, and if he's doing it just to look out for young creators that he doesn't want them to go down this path, God bless. | ||
| It seemed as if he was putting himself a little bit more in that position. | ||
| And the reason I bring it up is because when I worked for someone else, I never made more than six figures except for one year in my life. | ||
| And as soon as I started working for myself for a decade, I made three, four, $500,000. | ||
| You don't get paid as much as you're worth unless you're willing to take the risk of working for yourself. | ||
| And that's just a truth. | ||
| It's just reality. | ||
| And so many young people, and I'm not saying Crowder's in this camp, but so many people, they don't want to take that risk anymore. | ||
| They don't want to have all of the pressure, but they still want that golden parachute of working for some corporation that's going to make their life really smooth and easy. | ||
| That's just not reality. | ||
| You have to take these risks if you want to get those outsized returns. | ||
| So if Crowder is making crazy money already, I understand why he would crap on this contract, as you've said, but at the same time, you know, go do it on your own. | ||
| Take a dump on it, I specifically said, just to clarify. | ||
| And I was in a very similar position as an independent journalist. | ||
| I was incurring a lot of risk. | ||
| I didn't have health insurance. | ||
| I was getting injured in the field. | ||
| I was getting arrested, didn't have lawyers, didn't have anyone to bail me out. | ||
| I had nothing. | ||
| I was like, I need someone to make sure if I get injured or hurt that I could still pay the medical bills. | ||
| If I get arrested, there's a lawyer there that's going to bail me out. | ||
| I had none of that. | ||
| And that's why I wanted to work with someone. | ||
| And then, you know, I got screwed over by this one company that really hurt me financially. | ||
| And I was like, that's it, screw it. | ||
| I just got to do it on my own. | ||
| And people don't understand, when you make a profit, essentially a lot of people look down on you. | ||
| Like, oh, you're making a profit? | ||
| Like, that profit is for insurance. | ||
| That profit is my retirement. | ||
| That profit is me getting hurt and injured, seriously, and still being able to eat. | ||
| Yeah, people don't understand. | ||
| I need to eat. | ||
| I need to live. | ||
| And if there's medical bills that I'm going to have in the future, I'm on those on myself and no one else is. | ||
| I think this is why I got so angry that I couldn't record today. | ||
| Like, this morning, I'm sitting here angry. | ||
| I took ibuprofen because ibuprofen reduces swelling and allows you to talk. | ||
| That's the only reason I was able to record yesterday, but you can only take so much because it stops the mucus production in your stomach and then you get ulcers. | ||
| So I'm like, if I don't work, employees don't get paid. | ||
| Well, now with the direct subscriptions monthly, you can take days off. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's a lot easier. | ||
| This is important too, and thank you for bringing that up. | ||
| If when we were on the ad model, when we had no memberships, I knew that if I did not work | ||
| one day, that meant money was gone that goes to employees. | ||
| Granted, like look, we have healthy profits. | ||
| So it's basically me just being like, I lose money, I have to pay for it. | ||
| I don't get a paid time off. | ||
| I have to eat that and dish it out. | ||
| With memberships, it's almost like now, you guys are all standing together, holding this place up. | ||
| So this morning, I'm like, I need to take this morning off and give my voice some time. | ||
| That's actually what a lot of them want. | ||
| In the comments, they're like, please rest. | ||
| We enjoy your content. | ||
| We need you. | ||
| See, I totally get it though, because I was an entrepreneur. | ||
| It pains you, not so much because of what damage it does to you, but because of the vision you have for who you're going to bring on. | ||
| I know you've brought on Phil from All That Remains, I believe, recently. | ||
| Phil Labonte. | ||
| Yeah, Labonte, Josie, The Red-Headed Libertarian, I know she does some outside media work for you guys too, and it's like, these are all things that if you don't continue to grind, you don't get to grow and assist these people and allow them to have a platform. | ||
| Like, the fact that you bring on smaller shows like ours, Tower Gang or Liberty Lockdown or whoever else, and you do it every day. It's such a huge benefit to our | ||
| movement. And I know we all have our own little niches and things like that. I'm more | ||
| the and-capitalist-libertarian variety. | ||
| You guys have conservatives that come on. But it's a very small world, man. That's the one | ||
| thing I've noticed as I've traveled around. There are so few outlets for people like us. | ||
| I'm glad to see that there's competitors that are entering the space. We need a hell of a lot | ||
| more of it, and God bless them. And if it's Daily Wire or The Blaze or whoever's drafting | ||
| these contracts, I hope you guys will reflect on the nature of them, and hopefully you'll improve | ||
| it. Don't prove Kanye right. But... | ||
| But we do need more people that are willing to engage in this arena. | ||
| And if you're not willing to take the risk, then just understand that you're not going to get the maximal rewards. | ||
| I didn't take vacations for over five years. | ||
| I paid everything out of pocket. | ||
| And at the end of the day, I had an enormous amount of liability that was laying out there in my loan book that I could have been dragged through court for the rest of my life. | ||
| And people don't ever look at that side of things. | ||
| They just go like, well, you You made a lot of money, so you owe civilization, and you're a bad guy. | ||
| It's not real, man. | ||
| This is not how it goes. | ||
| Yeah, I want to clarify, too, because people are super chatting a lot, like, no, Tim, you don't understand. | ||
| Crowder said this. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Look, look, look. | ||
| Crowder is completely right. | ||
| I commented. | ||
| He's right about all of it. | ||
| The issue is that these companies are operating as these companies have to operate for what they are. | ||
| And as Ian pointed out, this is like the 90s way of doing things. | ||
| This doesn't work anymore. | ||
| In the modern era, Stephen Crowder is the entrepreneur and the personality. | ||
| He can make there's no need for a network the guys who run these networks like Fox News or whatever. | ||
| They're not on TV They're not telling you their thoughts. | ||
| They're not leading the charge in the culture war. | ||
| They're not producing content. | ||
| They're managing a business Yeah, well in today's day and age that person's the employee not the boss So right now what happens is someone who should be an employee is offering a contract to Steven Crowder. | ||
| Steven Crowder should be the boss. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Steven Crowder is supposed to be the one to be like, look, look, I'm the captain of this ship. | ||
| It's inverted. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's the problem with the system. | ||
| It's been that way for a long time. | ||
| Now, that being said, there are going to be a lot of people who do not have what it takes to run a business. | ||
| Because this is what I was trying to get to. | ||
| When I was mentioning earlier about how it would be so much easier just to get rid of everything and just do my own YouTube channels, it is extremely hard to run and manage and maintain all this stuff. | ||
| Oh yeah, man. | ||
| I can't even imagine. | ||
| And the value in it is I don't want to leave this world with a bunch of crackpot psychotic cultists of a non-theistic religion controlling things. | ||
| And it all started for me because I'm like, I really hate liars. | ||
| When I was starting this, I was like, I want to travel and tell people what I'm seeing, do new stuff. | ||
| And then all of a sudden they lied about everything I did, Sweden. | ||
| And then I'm like, okay, I'm going to call you out for lying. | ||
| And then that's like a big component of it. | ||
| These people are evil. | ||
| They lie every day. | ||
| Look what they did to Kyle Rittenhouse. | ||
| Just like, I mean, they've still negatively impacted this kid's life. | ||
| They tried to destroy it. | ||
| So that's what it's all about. | ||
| And that means we're entering an interesting space. | ||
| There is infinitely more power in ESG businesses like Disney than in, say, like, The Daily Wire. | ||
| Now you're speaking my language. | ||
| But this is the challenge. | ||
| How do you compete? | ||
| Like, The Daily Wire's got to make money. | ||
| Disney doesn't. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Facts. | ||
| And the reason they don't is because of their relationship to the government and the World Economic Forum and all of the... Go ahead. | ||
| You're mostly right. | ||
| I was just going to say also that They own so much IP that the average person will just pay the 10 bucks because they're like, I can watch Flubber. | ||
| Yeah, well, and I think that the audience is not going to like this, but at the end of the day, we do need to, as consumers of this media, the people that want to see something different in the world that isn't, you know, perverted and messing up our children. | ||
| You need to put your money where your mouth is. | ||
| You can't just continue to consume free content. | ||
| This is why we have to diversify. | ||
| We're on Rumbles, of course. | ||
| LibertyLockdown.Locals.com as well for people that want to support the show so that I can actually tell the truth. | ||
| If I can get enough people that are doing that, then I don't have to worry about deplatforming and things like that. | ||
| But the ESG factor in this is such a big deal. | ||
| It drives me crazy because ultimately it's becoming a partisan issue where you have red state governors that are really engaging in this, and God bless them, we need it. | ||
| But at the same time, I wish it weren't partisan in nature. | ||
| I wish we understood that having a monolithic, globalist perspective on how to utilize and manipulate capital markets to try and reimagine the world in your image, well, you're not always going to be in charge. | ||
| Just the same concept of like, do you want Donald Trump to have these powers? | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| Well, then maybe it's not okay when Biden does it. | ||
| Same concept with ESG. | ||
| Yes, right now it is being utilized to propagate a very neoliberal world order. | ||
| Well, what if that dynamic changes? | ||
| Because it inevitably will. | ||
| Maybe it'll be a hundred years, but it's going to change at some point. | ||
| Do we want big business to be Reimagining our civilization. | ||
| The answer, to me, is clearly no. | ||
| Particularly when it's nameless, faceless bankers that are primarily responsible for this stuff. | ||
| Or if they are known, they're at Davos with 500 security guards. | ||
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And hookers. | |
| 5,000. | ||
| And hookers. | ||
| 5,000 was it? | ||
| 5,000 soldiers that were given police power for coercion. | ||
| If you need 5,000 soldiers to protect yourself, you're doing something wrong. | ||
| You're doing something wrong. | ||
| I'm not at all wanting them to be threatened or injured at all, but there's a reason that people are so concerned about your You're trying to manipulate and coerce the entire world—we're talking 8 billion people—that you want all to live in this particular worldview, where carbon emissions are such a danger, where the thing that I exhale makes me a danger to every man, woman, and child on earth. | ||
| It's a very anti-human perspective, and ultimately it's anti-capitalist. | ||
| This is one other talking point that I have to get across, is that This is not capitalism that we're dealing with. | ||
| And when people talk about it as if it is, it drives me absolutely insane. | ||
| This is a fascistic model. | ||
| Crystal clear fascistic model. | ||
| And you can't then hold that up and say, look at all of these evil things that are happening in our world. | ||
| This is why we have to go towards socialism. | ||
| We're basically down that path already. | ||
| You know the big challenges? | ||
| These ESG companies. | ||
| ESG is the prerequisite for financial investment. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes. | ||
| So in West Virginia, these fossil fuel companies, coal or whatever, are like, | ||
| hey, we need a loan of $5 million to expand our operation, hire more employees. | ||
| And they go, no. | ||
| And then someone comes out and says, we want to do drag queen story. | ||
| And they're like, oh, how much do you need for that? | ||
| And you know where that money comes from? | ||
| Federal Reserve. | ||
| How do you compete with an industry that can print infinite money for itself? | ||
| Doesn't that mean abolish the Federal Reserve? | ||
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Doesn't that make this whole thing? | |
| It's harder, and that means we need all of these companies that are in the independent and anti-establishment space to be operating on the exact same capacity. | ||
| Don't hire woke people. | ||
| Hire people who believe in freedom. | ||
| Empower people who believe in freedom. | ||
| So this is the point of- And if you're a consumer of that media, support people that are providing that media. | ||
| You really have to. | ||
| If you want to see that, you have to actually contribute. | ||
| So this is basically everything that we do here and why we do it. | ||
| Why do we hire the people we hire? | ||
| Because their job is to be a positive influence on the world. | ||
| And that's more important than the revenue. | ||
| We're an ideological company in a sense. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| Tim Cass makes money. | ||
| The other shows make money, but Tim Cass makes the overwhelming majority of it, and then that money is the resource that we use to have people make cool and good and positive things. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| We need a hell of a lot more of it. | ||
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I was just gonna comment on like how absurd it is when you really think about, like this whole thing is over fake money and the message that it's, the division that it'll cause in the conservative movement, which I'm not a conservative so whatever, but it's just interesting to see them kind of squabble over this and it's all just fake money in the end of the day. | |
| Yeah, the Federal Reserve prints it out of thin air. | ||
| It's going to be worthless anyway soon. | ||
| Crowder, you don't need to worry about this. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| It's all going to be devalued. | ||
| At the end of the day, what are you going to have? | ||
| Your experiences, your own company, what you built yourself. | ||
| Don't let anyone else build anything for you. | ||
| But this is, again, my strategy. | ||
| People are built different. | ||
| This is just who I am after being through a lot of rough, crazy situations in my life dealing with other businesses. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe he'll strive more and be better under a contract. | ||
| For me personally, there's a road to take. | ||
| I'm taking that road. | ||
| I just think it's so important that we encourage people that share our value system and have | ||
| the drive that we do in this room to actually follow that passion and follow that path. | ||
| Because there's just been such a dearth of entrepreneurial spirit, and I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| It's so stacked against you, especially if you're a young college graduate, and you're coming out and you're like, you understand ESG, which obviously makes you a very rare 23-year-old or whatever, but say you do understand it. | ||
| You know what an uphill slog that's going to be. | ||
| You're going to try and compete head-to-head with the biggest businesses that have ever existed in human history, and at the end of the day, they have a A sweetheart deal with all of the biggest governments on earth? | ||
| Oh, on top of that, they have a sweetheart deal with the central banks of the world? | ||
| Where they can just buy fiat, create debt and credit? | ||
| Like, I get it. | ||
| But, it doesn't matter. | ||
| We have to compete. | ||
| We have to try. | ||
| If we just acquiesce, and we, we were talking about the black pill earlier, right? | ||
| That's true, yeah. | ||
| If we give up, It's over. | ||
| We can't give up. | ||
| We have to try. | ||
| One thing you mentioned earlier, Tim, is that, wondering, like, is everyone cut out to run a company, or a business, or something like that along those lines? | ||
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No. | |
| The answer is no. | ||
| No, they're not. | ||
| And there's a difference that's important to keep in mind between a business and a company. | ||
| A company is a type of business that involves two or more people, which is why it is com-penny, with people. | ||
| Com-penny. | ||
| Companion, you know? | ||
| You can have a business as a sole proprietor. | ||
| As soon as you start hiring people or bringing other people on, you become a company, and at that point, do you want to run a company? | ||
| Do you want to be involved with other people's day-to-day activity? | ||
| Do you want to be taking meetings? | ||
| Do you want to be intricately responsible for these people's behavior? | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| It's like an art form. | ||
| We've been offered deals by all the big players in the space. | ||
| And all the deals were bad. | ||
| And I'm just like, man, I don't know what these companies are doing. | ||
| We could write a cool tech deal. | ||
| Not that we don't do tech at Timcast, but we could. | ||
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The tech you're talking about, is this like an NFT contract? | |
| Can you explain that? | ||
| No, I would do like, we would set up hosting or navigate to some sort of hosting like on Rumble, build like a front end and make sure that if there's bugs that we have developers that are fixing the bugs on the fly 24-7. | ||
| And so we would technically help you host your own content and provide your subscribers a direct revenue to you. | ||
| And then we could technically take money off the top if we wanted to. | ||
| I'm building a charity right now that's building this software, so ultimately it'll be free for everyone to use and I'm not taking anything for it. | ||
| All of these companies call me non-stop, like whenever there's drama. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's a lot that I won't talk about because I don't think it changes the political landscape. | ||
| If it did, I would come out and just be like, sorry guys. | ||
| But there's private stuff and I always try to avoid things that I think might hurt. | ||
| It's standard journalistic ethic. | ||
| It's minimize harm. | ||
| But I'll tell you, I've talked with Blaze for years. | ||
| I've said no every time. | ||
| I've talked with The Daily Wire. | ||
| I've talked with Rumble. | ||
| There's a couple other companies that we've negotiated with and some we've done deals with. | ||
| And I just say no to all of them. | ||
| And I think one of the things these companies don't get is where we are in the modern landscape. | ||
| I think they're hoping I think they're hoping that someone like me is a guy who just wants to sit in the room and go on camera and then go play ball with his kid or future kid or something like that or dog or whatever. | ||
| That's what they're trying to sell you on. | ||
| Yeah, and they do. | ||
| They all say the same thing, like, you shouldn't be worrying about this stuff, man. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know, like, let us take care of the heavy lifting, and I'm just like, you know what's gonna happen? | ||
| I'll tell you what's gonna happen, and I say this to every single person I've ever talked to in any company. | ||
| And I learned my lesson with Fusion. | ||
| But I got paid, and I used that money to invest and build this. | ||
| I'm like, We're going to start. | ||
| We're going to be excited. | ||
| We're going to get the ball rolling. | ||
| Six months in, I'm going to come to you and say, problem X is solved by Y. And you're going to say, OK, well, I don't have time to deal with this, so I'm going to take care of it. | ||
| And I say, no, it's a problem in my life that needs to be solved now for the show. | ||
| And if I don't have the authority to do it, then I'm going to be in a very bad mood. | ||
| And then you're not going to be able to. | ||
| So there's no point in doing these contracts. | ||
| That and, yeah, I think these companies, they're archaic. | ||
| They can sit down and explain to you exactly why. | ||
| Like I mentioned, like why they do the penalty deal with Crowder's contract and then Crowder's appropriate responses. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| It wasn't insane 20 years ago. | ||
| It wasn't insane 30 years ago, but it is now when Crowder is the captain of the ship and he should be the one running it and they should be working for him. | ||
| Let me add one thing because I probably black pulled a lot of people by it. | ||
| Demonstrating how challenging it is going to be to compete and succeed in this space. | ||
| However, because of the monopolistic power, or at least oligopolistic power that these operators have, they don't face a lot of real competition. | ||
| So when there is genuine competition, and also they're very bureaucratic, they're very slow moving, they become very comfortable, overly confident, that is all areas of opportunity for Entrepreneurs to try and rise up. | ||
| There's enormous market demand for honest dialogue Your success has been very clearly proof of that So there is market demand, but there is also captured markets that make it very challenging to enter and compete in that space But it doesn't mean that we can't create competing avenues and platforms I don't I pray to God that rumble because it does seem to be like they're they're the real deal so far I pray to God that them locals These competitions actually rise up and they create an opportunity for that market demand to be met, because there is a demand, and entrepreneurs should realize that. | ||
| I've had private conversations with several big YouTube channels. | ||
| Many of these big channels have contacted me and said, look, these contracts are really bad. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| We should form a network, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And I say, no. | ||
| Every time. | ||
| What you're asking is impossible. | ||
| The network model won't work. | ||
| So here's an idea that's been floated around by a bunch of people you know and love behind the scenes, so I'll leave nameless because it's their business, but I'll tell you about my experience. | ||
| I get phone calls, we do group calls, and they're like, we need to compete, we need to change the game, how can we do it? | ||
| Let's create a network. | ||
| Let's create a single destination for all these big creators. | ||
| And then we'll figure out a way to split the revenue. | ||
| And I say, okay, how do you split the revenue? | ||
| We can do it by, when someone signs up, they can write down the name of someone. | ||
| What if they write down nothing? | ||
| What if they sign up as a general member? | ||
| Where does that money go? | ||
| Well, we split it evenly. | ||
| Is that fair? | ||
| What if I'm getting $60 million per month and you're getting $500,000? | ||
| I'm giving you half the money that comes in? | ||
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Sure. | |
| That's not fair to me. | ||
| Why would I do that? | ||
| What if you're getting $100 million and I'm getting $50 million? | ||
| I get half your money? | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I'm making a third of the revenue. | ||
| So I've had these conversations over and over again because everybody wants to coalesce and use this network. | ||
| The idea is there is an individual out there who's like, man, I love Tim Kast. | ||
| And then he goes, man, I love Crowder. | ||
| I'm not going to spend 10 bucks for either of them. | ||
| Wait a minute, they're bundled together and 10 bucks gets me both? | ||
| Now I'll do it. | ||
| That's what these people think will happen. | ||
| But what ends up happening is someone like Crowder, with 6 million followers, will get half a million people to watch on election night. | ||
| He'll get 50,000 people to sign up instantly. | ||
| And then, good luck sorting who signed up for who and how much everyone deserves. | ||
| You might be able to set it up so you have to toggle who you're signing up for in order to sign up. | ||
| Or everyone has their own unique links and websites, but it goes to the same centralized thing. | ||
| So Crowder has Mug Club. | ||
| It's called Bubbles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they all go to the same place and they all get everything in a bundle. | ||
| Well, so that means I'm giving my content away for free and someone's giving ten bucks to you. | ||
| You give a small percentage, right? | ||
| How do you determine the percentage? | ||
| You could do it by viewership. | ||
| Who gets the percentage of viewership? | ||
| It's going to be complicated. | ||
| It's not easy. | ||
| I'm not saying I have the solution. | ||
| I'm just spitballing here. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| I don't know, because if I was signing up, say it's you and Steve Crowder are splitting it, I sign up and I have to pick you or Steve in order to sign up, so you have that data, and then if there's a smart contract behind the scenes where, this is futuristic, but if the money is split automatically, 72% to you, 28% to Steven, based on the subscriber data, that might work. | ||
| You know what'll happen? | ||
| Let's say Bob, Jim and Jill do this deal. | ||
| Bob's got a million, Jim's got 500,000, Jill's got 5 million. | ||
| She's a very attractive podcaster. | ||
| Everybody wants to follow her. | ||
| And then the money comes in and then you've got this big jumbled mass of numbers. | ||
| 763,896 the first week, 432,896 the second week. | ||
| You got 13% signed up for Jill, 7% said Bob, 12% said Jim or whatever name, I don't remember the name I used. | ||
| And then one day someone goes in and says, hold on man, I only got paid $300,000 a month. | ||
| Normally we do 500, what happened? | ||
| Well, let's look at the numbers. | ||
| No, no, that can't be right. | ||
| said, you know, Jim or whatever name I remember the name I used. And then one day someone | ||
| goes in and says, yeah, hold on, man. I only got paid $300,000 a month. Normally we do | ||
| 500. What happened? Well, let's look at the numbers. No, no, that can't be right. How | ||
| are you getting more money than me? This is everybody fights. Everybody yells. | ||
| It's not going to work. | ||
| It does sound like an optimal situation for a smart contract system to be developed where you could automate the payments based on the math behind the scenes. | ||
| Everything's on a blockchain or open source, so if you have questions, you just take it up with the math. | ||
| That'd have to be a really smart contract. | ||
| Multiple smart contracts. | ||
| The question is, TimCast.com is wholly independent with no investors. | ||
| With no outside financing, just customers and advertisers. | ||
| The advertisers are almost entirely programmatic, meaning we have very, very few direct sponsors. | ||
| I think we have like eight or ten. | ||
| It changes with the podcast audio version. | ||
| Obviously you guys know we do Virtual Shield, Biotrust, like that's basically the only two sponsors we have. | ||
| Then periodically we do Pepper Speak stuff. | ||
| And then for the podcast version, we have a handful. | ||
| It's like, you know, Bambi and like, you know, things like that. | ||
| Hartford Gold. | ||
| There's like five or six. | ||
| And that, so almost all of it's programmatic. | ||
| Why would I Create any kind of mud in this company's revenue stream by doing a partnership deal in the hopes that I can increase revenue by a certain percentage by teaming up with someone like Steven Crowder. | ||
| I think you'd only be able to bring in someone of comparable clout. | ||
| I hate to use that term, but you know, someone lesser. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Somewhat of comparable clout. | ||
| I mean, we're looking at two people who have comparable amounts of revenue who are now going to argue about the gains and which direction it goes. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But I mean, there is there is strength in in networking. | ||
| I just think you're right, though, that obviously a formal network creates infighting and jealousy and competition, especially if you have two alphas that are like on the on the rise anyway and waiting for their money. | ||
| This system only makes sense to the businessman whose sole job is to maintain it. | ||
| For Stephen Crowder and for me, there is zero reason for either of us to do a network deal. | ||
| Because at the end of the day, Stephen can pick up his phone and talk to his phone with no crew, with no employees, and he makes money. | ||
| Same thing for me, because we are the people creating the content. | ||
| So the people you'll hear advocate for these deals are the people who do nothing but these deals. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| They're like, if I can bring all these guys together, I'm going to make money off the top. | ||
| Well, you could do you and Steven together $14 a month. | ||
| So already you're making $7 instead of $10. | ||
| You're going to take a hit. | ||
| But then the idea would be you'd get more, like 40% of a $10,000 multiple is better than 100% of a 1x multiple. | ||
| You can't predict it. | ||
| It's unpredictable, that's true. | ||
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This is also a cultural issue. | |
| Where people, they want what's expedient and not what's meaningful. | ||
| So like, if you get deleted off of Twitter, you don't exist to me. | ||
| And that's just the way it is. | ||
| I've seen it a thousand times. | ||
| And I think, you know, it's good that this discussion is out there right now because people need to start to open up their mind to what's actually going on here. | ||
| Like you said, we need to support these creators. | ||
| If it's $10 a month, I like Crowder. | ||
| If it's $10 a month, I like Tim Cass. | ||
| Let's do both. | ||
| I'm not gonna spend $10 elsewhere. | ||
| This needs to be out there more. | ||
| The devastating part about it is, like, even though I have a pretty passionate fan base, I get nuked from YouTube for a couple weeks, I start a Rumble channel up, you still see, like, even though I have one-tenth the subscribership over on Rumble, my viewership is only cut in half. | ||
| So, like, a lot of my people are still rocking with me, even though, you know, subscriber limit is way reduced. | ||
| But it's just, it's interesting how Platform-captured people are. | ||
| Make an audio podcast. | ||
| I have two YouTube channels. | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| I have two YouTube channels. | ||
| One of them I stopped using in 2008. | ||
| It was called CrossMac and I was like, I don't like that people are calling me CrossMac to my face. | ||
| I want to be branded Ian Crossland. | ||
| So I made a new channel. | ||
| People still comment on CrossMac that I, like, oh my god, you still make videos! | ||
| Like, I'll make a new video every once in a while on CrossMac. | ||
| Not only are they siloed on a platform, they're siloed on channels. | ||
| Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. | ||
| That's so true. | ||
| So we could break that with a multi-network system too. | ||
| That would be great. | ||
| You wanna know the worst thing in the world is YouTube is like one of the worst platforms. | ||
| Let me do some math real quick. | ||
| I think on Apple, Spotify, and the audio platforms, You will make... Let me do some quick math here. | ||
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What do we get? | |
| I think you'll make, like, five times as much money off ads. | ||
| Or maybe it's way more than that. | ||
| Oh, it's big? | ||
| Are you saying versus video? | ||
| Versus YouTube. | ||
| Oh, dude, it's huge. | ||
| Like, for whatever reason, YouTube ad revenue is gutter trash. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you can get... 25 per thousand CPM is kind of standard on audio. | ||
| Like, that's... 300,000 views, downloads on a podcast, on a daily show, you're going to be making... | ||
| Holy crap. | ||
| You're talking $7,500? | ||
| $7,500 per ad? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It declines as the ad goes on. | ||
| But you've got to be making like $10 million per year if you're at those numbers. | ||
| Easy. | ||
| And this is what? | ||
| On YouTube, if you're getting 300,000, you're getting 300,000 views will get you $1,000. | ||
| So you'll make $300,000 per year on YouTube with the same amount of traffic. | ||
| Depending on your channel, too, because my channel, compared to other channels, is getting 30 times less than what channels are supposed to be getting. | ||
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30? | |
| Or 3? | ||
| 10 to sometimes 30. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But I confirm 10. | ||
| I think that might be an ethics violation. | ||
| It's just a special thing. | ||
| We should not be playing favorites about who gets more money. | ||
| That's social justice crap. | ||
| Well, YouTube justifies it by saying, this channel's a little bit too spicy and not advertiser-friendly. | ||
| This channel is advertiser-friendly, and that's how they kind of justify it. | ||
| My counter to that is let the advertisers speak for themselves. | ||
| Exactly, let the advertisers speak. | ||
| Even though there's not a big difference between the two content, YouTube still deems like, hey, this is not good, this is good, this is what we like. | ||
| After we just got done bad-mouthing networks and saying how unfeasible all of this is for the past hour and a half, I gotta say that Our boys, Dave Smith and Luis J. Gomez, Gas Digital. | ||
| They have signed Tower Gang to Gas Digital. | ||
| I just wanted to shout out. | ||
| Luis, you're like a brother to me. | ||
| Thank you so much for bringing us on board. | ||
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Yeah, we call him Luis the Peach. | |
| Your contract looks a little bit like that, and I'd like you to work on it. | ||
| But other than that, we appreciate you putting your love and faith in us. | ||
| Tell me about Gas Digital real quick. | ||
| GasDigital is basically largely a comedy platform, and Tower Gang being our more comedy, deranged, lunatic outlet, we knew we weren't long for YouTube, so we had to find a platform that would take care of us in terms of just allowing us to, you know, say insane humor wherever it leads us, and GasDigital is uncensored. | ||
| GasDigitalNetwork.com? | ||
| Yep, you got it. | ||
| So, you know, thinking about The Daily Wire, for instance, because they've signed a whole bunch of people, you know, they keep adding new, new talent. | ||
| My view when I look at this stuff is like, maybe it's just me, I personally cannot relate to the desire wholly to sign a deal with another company and have them take everything over. | ||
| To be fair, I completely understand the thought of like, man, imagine if you could make some amount of money, and then you didn't have to think about any of the business end stuff, and you can just do your show and then mind your own business. | ||
| But I've been down that rabbit hole. | ||
| I know where that goes. | ||
| Well, it's that, but it's also the success and the resources that you now have at your disposal that so few creators have. | ||
| Especially if you're starting out early on, you're trying to make ends meet. | ||
| So if you have a network that comes to you and they say, I see talent here, I'm going to guarantee you a living wage, as Bernie Sanders might say. | ||
| They're going to jump at it. | ||
| You know, what's really funny is that seeing this story from Crowder, this is the identical story to the record label stories 20, 30 years ago. | ||
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I was just thinking that, yeah. | |
| But I also kind of see it as, I think, as a Benjamin Franklin quote where he says, don't trade liberty for security, you'll get neither. | ||
| This is kind of what's going on here. | ||
| I mean, we did it with COVID. | ||
| We do it all the time. | ||
| There are people who only wanna make music, and they're never gonna monetize that music, and you gotta find somebody who can. | ||
| But you know what I think? | ||
| My view of this whole thing is like, dude, if you're a personality of any size, hire a manager. | ||
| And I'm talking about an employee who works for you. | ||
| And they do what you tell them to do or they're fired. | ||
| Don't sign a contract with another guy that makes you the employee or the quote-unquote contractor. | ||
| The only reason I consider gas is because, you know, as I've already explained, I am financially free. | ||
| I didn't need to go that route, but I don't want to create a network and a platform that allows for uncensored conversation. | ||
| It's such a huge swing. | ||
| Also, his network is filled with the most hardcore, insane comics on earth. | ||
| I wanted to be in that world because I'm not a comedian. | ||
| So it made a perfect fit for us. | ||
| But at the end of the day, you're absolutely right. | ||
| If you can, if you have the willpower and the work ethic, it will benefit and behoove you to go that route. | ||
| I'll tell you exactly why Tim Cass is independent. | ||
| Because like I said, we've talked with The Blaze, we've talked with Rumble, we've talked with The Daily Wire, we've talked with a bunch of companies, and I'm friends with all of them. | ||
| Don't agree with me on everything, of course. | ||
| Nobody owes me anything. | ||
| You know, I'm not going to come out and be like, oh, this company came and offered me this. | ||
| I'm like, well, they didn't owe me anything. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
| If I sign a deal with one of these companies, what if I wanna get a billboard on Sunset Strip that says Liz Cheney's a fat pig? | ||
| That'd be awesome. | ||
| And they're gonna tell me no. | ||
| They're gonna be like, you gotta understand. | ||
| And I'm gonna be like, I don't understand anything, dude. | ||
| I work for myself. | ||
| I can take out a 95 foot tall billboard in Times Square with my rooster on it. | ||
| I work for you, I gotta go through your legal team. | ||
| And they're gonna tell me no. | ||
| And that's just not worth it. | ||
| Especially if one of the goals of your company is impact investment, like you said earlier, like changing the world. | ||
| A lot of corporations are just profit, profit, profit. | ||
| If it's not profitable, it's not happening. | ||
| And you gotta watch out for that. | ||
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I can imagine Chicken City's very profitable these days, right Tim? | |
| It was initially. | ||
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I mean the eggs. | |
| Oh my gosh, they're like a buck apiece! | ||
| Chicken eggs. Yo, I told you guys I gave some to my personal trainer. I'm so happy. Thank you so much | ||
| We just crack those and drink on the problem. I've been hobbling eggs for like two years | ||
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Moonshot, baby I'll tell you guys some stuff | |
| I think there's been two instances where I've reached out to YouTube before a show | ||
| To give them give them a warning and ask for their perspective | ||
| One was Alex Jones. That was obvious. I can't remember the other one | ||
| But I emailed like, heads up, Alex Jones will be coming on the show, it was the first time. | ||
| And they said there's no issues, nothing on our end for us to note on. | ||
| I said, okay, well, you know, fair warning, it's happening. | ||
| And they gave us a strike. | ||
| And I immediately contacted them and said, for what reason? | ||
| They gave us a BS reason. | ||
| I said, BS, that's not true, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| They said, we don't care. | ||
| I said, how about the portion you can test? | ||
| We just snipped from the show and everything's fine. | ||
| And they said, no. | ||
| And then I'm like, you're playing dirty games, man. | ||
| So you know what I did? | ||
| I called up Michael Malice and Alex Jones and said, when's the soonest you can come back on the show? | ||
| We're doing it again. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| You sign a deal with one of these companies, you can't do that. | ||
| Like I'm not an unreasonable guy, but I'm not a fan of censorship. | ||
| I know that YouTube is trying to run a business. | ||
| I don't trust them. | ||
| I think they're an ESG company. | ||
| But I also know that when you want to win a battle, you win first, you know, since you | ||
| win first, then you go to war. | ||
| Ambushing YouTube, it's just like when they tell me on paper, you're good, that's legal | ||
| weaponry. | ||
| I can then be like, we had, they were, you know, they said to me, I abided by the terms. | ||
| It gives me legal grounds. | ||
| Well, this is why they won't even tell me why they struck me. | ||
| And it's also why they don't give us strikes. | ||
| They don't want that to be in writing. | ||
| They don't want to give me a timestamp because then I can actually counter it and say, well, is this dangerous conspiracy theorizing? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's also, I think there's a couple of reasons, you know, Matt Gaetz asked us on Friday, how come we're still here? | ||
| And I'm like, you know, I got a variety of reasons. | ||
| One of them is I think YouTube, for one, they're probably watching. | ||
| I know a bunch of the employees watch all the time. | ||
| We consistently have the most viewed live show for the night in this time slot and in general. | ||
| But they also, I think, know that my communications with them have set legal groundwork not too dissimilar to Alex Berenson, where if I reach out and say, Alex Jones is coming on the show. | ||
| Here's what we're going to do. | ||
| Give me your advisement. | ||
| And they say, you're good. | ||
| No advisement. | ||
| He's allowed to talk. | ||
| And then they give me BS, that puts them in an interesting legal position. | ||
| People need to understand about these deals with YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter. | ||
| Don't think of it as you signed up for a website. | ||
| Think of it like you sat down with Susan Wojcicki, or whatever her name is, and said, let's do a business deal. | ||
| I will make a show, you distribute that show, sell the ads on it, and we'll split the revenue. | ||
| Most goes to me." | ||
| And she said, yes. | ||
| If she breaches that contract and makes up a reason for it, you can sue for breach of contract. | ||
| And Alex Berenson did, and he won. | ||
| So that gives you leverage. | ||
| I also think the size of the show gives us leverage, too, to be honest. | ||
| You think? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| You have the ability to actually reach someone and get an answer. | ||
| I've appealed multiple times on both of these strikes. | ||
| They give me nothing. | ||
| I know there's one based YouTube employee out there watching right now. | ||
| I need you to help me, people. | ||
| Look after Liberty Lockdown. | ||
| Undo the strike. | ||
| You might have to sue. | ||
| And honestly, I will if I have to, but I don't want to go that path. | ||
| I'm not in this for war. | ||
| I really, I'm not. | ||
| I'm a peaceful person at the end of the day. | ||
| But if you bring it to my doorstep, yeah, I'll engage. | ||
| This is the challenge, man. | ||
| No one ever said it was going to be easy. | ||
| True. | ||
| And so for people who are listening, I'll tell you this. | ||
| Without naming the individuals who, I have been in communication with people who are making challenges against YouTube. | ||
| And I'll leave it at that. | ||
| There's a lot more to the story. | ||
| But let's just say, I'm not sitting on my hands as YouTube does these censorious things. | ||
| People message me all the time and they're like, can you email them and tell them? | ||
| And I'm like, no, I can't. | ||
| Because I've done it before. | ||
| And they respond with, don't waste our time, basically. | ||
| Yeah, so... Incredible. | ||
| Some of these terms where they're like, we can ban anyone at any time for any reason is really disturbing. | ||
| We had that at Mines. | ||
| We were like, we... I don't feel right putting this in the terms. | ||
| Like, well, we kind of have to. | ||
| Plus, they changed the terms without you even, like, agreeing to them. | ||
| That's a problem, too. | ||
| I think those term changes should have to go to Congress. | ||
| Any big social media network that wants to change the terms of service should send that to Congress. | ||
| There should be a bill or something on the floor where they have to at least acknowledge it and read it. | ||
| This is a good point because we didn't, did we used to have, I guess, I don't know, I'm assuming no, did we used to have mass contracts like this? | ||
| Like imagine it's 1950 and a company says everybody, you know, oh you want to come into my building? | ||
| Everybody sign this contract giving me the rights over your likeness and distribution. | ||
| I'm sure there were like there's waivers for admittance into buildings and stuff that have existed, but we're talking now in the scale of 300 million a billion people who've mass signed a contract. | ||
| What happens when Facebook says we've updated our terms? | ||
| How is sending me an email that goes to spam due notification? | ||
| I disagree. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, haven't just signed it, but haven't read it. | ||
| Most of the people haven't read it because it's too long. | ||
| It's too general. | ||
| People aren't lawyers. | ||
| So that's something that does need to get dealt with. | ||
| And them changing it halfway when you're invested in the company, when you put your entire life, your entire livelihood on a business model, and they just come along and say, now we're going to change the business model retroactively for no reason, because we want to. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's just evil. | ||
| They should send you the full terms when they make changes. | ||
| Every change should be highlighted and then on the right side of the page you see all of the granular changes listed, one after the other, and then you click it and it links you right to the spot in the terms where it happened. | ||
| That'd be amazing. | ||
| But the other thing that really bothers me about this is that, yes, the terms of service is a constantly moving window, but also I mean, first off, you can cap that at, like, say, 400 words or something so that people could actually read it. | ||
| That'd be nice. | ||
| But the thing that really concerns me most about this misinformation-disinformation clause that they include in there is that, ultimately, many—like, I've had Dr. Joseph Latipo, the Surgeon General of Florida. | ||
| I've had on Dr. Robert Malone. | ||
| I've had on all of these people who have been either deplatform-censored, had smack-talked about them. | ||
| Everywhere over the past three years, much of the information that they were trying to convey, in hindsight, turns out to be pretty darn accurate. | ||
| But in that period, if you were to have some of those people on your YouTube channel, you would have been struck. | ||
| I mean, it's it's it's crazy. | ||
| The evolution of like wearing masks and not wearing masks and wearing masks. | ||
| The guidelines all changed on YouTube. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The vaccine transmission stuff like Sam Harris. | ||
| Have you guys seen this clip from Sam Harris going viral? | ||
| This is the episode I got struck. | ||
| He needs an intervention, this man. | ||
| You know what I think happened with Sam Harris is that he was so scared to be outside of the liberal mainstream line, and with the intellectual dark web stuff, and when he was with Bill Maher talking about Islam, it was still within the liberal tribe to say the things he was saying, but he was edgy. | ||
| Then when it came to the lockdowns and the mandates and all that stuff, you could not deviate. | ||
| And so he stayed with it. | ||
| And now the information's changed and he cannot come out and apologize. | ||
| He has to just keep doubling down. | ||
| The man needs an intervention. | ||
| If he sat down with Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein and he said, look guys, I was wrong about so much of this, and I was hot-headed. | ||
| Will you ever forgive me? | ||
| I hope they would say yes, because I would. | ||
| I would say, Sam, welcome back. | ||
| Let's get back to the conversation. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| I've made this pitch many times. | ||
| I just want you to deal in reality. | ||
| You guys have lived in your own delusions while also simultaneously classifying me as some vector for, you know, death, and a misinformation agent, and all these other things. | ||
| Look, I don't even care. | ||
| Bygones be bygones. | ||
| However, you have to face reality, and it'd be nice if you would've just said, you know what? | ||
| I overreacted. | ||
| As opposed to Sam Harris, which, by the way, I have an episode coming out tonight, right after this ends, called Sam Harris Has Lost His Mind, because he has. | ||
| If he can't deal with the fact that he was so catastrophically wrong on something—and he's a person that values his rationality at the highest level. | ||
| This is why he thinks of religious people as being such rubes, right? | ||
| Because he's so rational and God is not a rational thing because it requires faith. | ||
| But he is so deeply irrational, and he is so clearly following down a religious line of thinking when it comes to the COVID hysteria, and he can't come to terms with it. | ||
| And it's tragic, honestly. | ||
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Do you think we should be carving out a path of redemption for someone like Sam Harrison? | |
| I didn't go as far as to say—and this is, I guess, cold-hearted—but even like Jordan Peterson, like you said, I feel like these people have been very important, especially in the lives of young men, and they've kind of led them down a path, like Jordan Peterson with the vaccines and some of the other things he said. | ||
| And I'm just kind of like, I'm not ready to discard you, but I've been ignoring you for a while. | ||
| I just don't know what to do with some of these people. | ||
| There's got to be a path to redemption. | ||
| Otherwise, people will just go the other direction. | ||
| If you don't say, come to me, they'll walk away from you. | ||
| Sam doesn't want redemption. | ||
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Do you think that there's more people coming up though? | |
| There's more prospects in our horizon that probably have something to say, maybe better or maybe equal to what these guys have said? | ||
| Let me put it this way. | ||
| You're on a battlefield and you got red on one side, blue on the other. | ||
| Let's say green and yellow. | ||
| We don't want to make it red and blue. | ||
| And you're on the green side and a yellow dude with his hands up Drops his weapon and starts walking towards you or waving a white flag. | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| Do you shoot him? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You say, bring him in. | ||
| Do you give him access to your secret documents? | ||
| No. | ||
| But you say, thank you for coming over. | ||
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Perhaps I worded it incorrect. | |
| Not that there shouldn't be a path for redemption, but obviously we're like, okay, you kind of messed up here, Jordan, which I named my whole brand after you because I looked up to the guy. | ||
| He is the top lobster. | ||
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Top lobster. | |
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| Some of the things I think he's said and done are almost unforgivable, especially in this landscape. | ||
| And it's tough to be correct all the time, but I don't know. | ||
| We've got guys like Dave Smith who are pretty correct all the time. | ||
| And try to correct your wrongs. | ||
| I mean, I think Ben Shapiro should have done that. | ||
| I think Jordan Peterson should have done that. | ||
| They all promoted the product, the shot. | ||
| And we need a bigger conversation here. | ||
| So if we're going to hold Sam Harris critical of it, we've got to hold other people on our side. | ||
| Look, it's really simple. | ||
| We want as many people to... Let's say you've got ten people over here saying, you know, buck, and you've got ten people over here saying bark. | ||
| You want as many people as possible saying bark. | ||
| I don't care if it said buck ten minutes ago. | ||
| Come over here and, you know, say the thing that works for us. | ||
| But we do have to go to Super Chats because I don't want to go too long. | ||
| But I'm just saying, like, You have to. | ||
| Even if it pains you, it's how you win. | ||
| I believe there's always a path to redemption, but do they want it? | ||
| And I think Jordan Peterson probably does. | ||
| Sam Harris, not so much. | ||
| We're going to Superchats, but I want to add one thing, and I'll tell you what we're doing. | ||
| Look, we've got a bunch of shows we're making, and they make some money, and we want them to be successful on their own, and we want to cultivate talent and personalities, because the idea ultimately is, it's a very simple mathematic formula. | ||
| Why do I want to build everything in West Virginia? | ||
| Because there's good people in West Virginia's MAGA country. | ||
| If these people in West Virginia who live in MAGA country, who believe in individual liberty, freedom, and fly the Gadsden flag, had access to more money, they would invest in more products. | ||
| They would invest in businesses that support their values. | ||
| They would build businesses that support these values. | ||
| So when you guys give money to Timcast, and we open a coffee shop in West Virginia, and we hire people in West Virginia, and we build industry in West Virginia, it is MAGA country that sees their revenues increasing. | ||
| And if I get one dollar, And I hand that dollar to Jim Bob. | ||
| Jim Bob gets that dollar. | ||
| Of course, the government's taken their cut every step of the way, which we're not fans of. | ||
| But then Jim Bob has that dollar and he says, okay, now I can give it to Mary Sue. | ||
| Mary Sue gets that dollar and now she says, now I can buy the thing I need. | ||
| It starts building up the economy and the resources of individuals with better ideas. | ||
| That's trickle down. | ||
| I'm not saying it's like, oh, I've got money. | ||
| I'm saying it spreads out and ripples. | ||
| Empowering people of better ideas. | ||
| That's the whole point. | ||
| So we're launching this coffee company very very soon and Get after it. | ||
| Yeah, we're gonna do coffee shops physical locations. | ||
| We're going to create We're gonna do subscription base so you can sign up to automatically get your bag of coffee weekly bi-weekly or however much you want you can just be like Set it up. | ||
| That's the best way to do it. | ||
| And I really don't want to say this just yet, because it may be unfair, but I've sent out the message. | ||
| I'm really hoping that with our coffee company, and we're selling these subscription coffee companies, I'm really hoping that Cal Rittenhouse is willing to work with us in some capacity. | ||
| You know, maybe wear our shirt or something like that, because we're big fans. | ||
| Shots fired, Black Rifle! | ||
| We believe in liberty and justice, and I'm definitely willing to support this young man. | ||
| But I'll tell you why I'm saying it. | ||
| The one reason I didn't want to say it is because it's his business, it's his life, and there's a controversy around that. | ||
| But I had a conversation with this kid, and What does he do? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| What can he do? | ||
| And so when I'm like, I'm sitting here thinking like, man, I feel bad for this kid because how could he be a nurse? | ||
| You know, he walks into a, he walks, the left is attacking him. | ||
| He walks into a room with a guy who's injured and like, here's your nurse caught right now. | ||
| So that's something he told me. | ||
| That was there when he told you that was funny. | ||
| And I'm like, wow, like they really destroyed this kid's life. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, maybe there's an opportunity there. | ||
| Maybe there's some, in some way he can work with our coffee company because we're willing to, you know, we believe in him. | ||
| But let's read Superchance. | ||
| Let's read it because we're going late. | ||
| I just want to say, if you do franchise your coffee company, let us, let us know. | ||
| Florida, Florida Tim Cass Coffee. | ||
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Florida is also MAGA Coffee. | |
| Whatever it's called, you know. | ||
| Hot coffee? | ||
| Is that in a brand yet? | ||
| I gotta start my own. | ||
| AJWT? | ||
| I'm thinking the idea is to have like some kind of private club component to it. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Where it's like you pay a monthly, you know, like we've talked about doing a legitimate social club, 501c7, where it's like five grand a year, but maybe it's just like 10 bucks a month and you can go hang out in Ian's Crystal Cove, you know, and then we make like a little hangout space where people can have coffee or something. | ||
| Dude, I'm going to meditate in that cove. | ||
| I'm going to break and charge the crystals. | ||
| Yeah, we got a legal. | ||
| We gotta read the Super Chats, and I'll just say, yeah, we didn't talk about anything but the Steven Crowder and the Media Lanscape stuff. | ||
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That's it, yeah. | |
| Because, like, I don't know, I just, it's so important. | ||
| It's so important, man. | ||
| I thought it was a great conversation, anyways. | ||
| Dabra McStache to say to him, hope you're feeling better now. | ||
| Missed you today, wasn't the same. | ||
| P.S. | ||
| The late Mima's throat remedy. | ||
| Hot water, honey, lemon juice, and ground clove. | ||
| Gargle and spit, don't swallow, should help. | ||
| And then you've got to not eat. | ||
| I've done everything. | ||
| The big challenge is don't eat anything. | ||
| There's one actual remedy. | ||
| There's one literal remedy. | ||
| And it's NSAIDs. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. | ||
| Ibuprofen, naproxen. | ||
| Or if you can afford it, tortadol. | ||
| But you'll need a medical practitioner, I think, for tortadol. | ||
| Losing your voice is caused by inflammation in the throat. | ||
| NSAIDs, reduce the inflammation, allow you to speak. | ||
| I think they do cortisol injections for celebrity singers who have to do a show, and they lose their voice, and then you get your voice back. | ||
| But it's really, really bad to do. | ||
| You could dip your hands in some aloe and then stick it down your throat and rub it around on the vocal cords. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| It's a little invasive, but it works. | ||
| You'll gag and you'll throw up. | ||
| No, no, you override your gag reflex. | ||
| I've been training for this my whole life. | ||
| Steven says, Tim needs to rest his voice. | ||
| I'm not paying 10 bucks a month for him to destroy himself. | ||
| That's a great— Thank you for saying that. | ||
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It's a good point. | |
| That's kind of what happened to Jordan Peterson, man. | ||
| He overworked himself and then ended up in rehab. | ||
| Just stay off the painkillers. | ||
| Well, he took a lot of drugs. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A big arm of drugs that he should have been critical of. | ||
| Yesterday, I took four ibuprofen. | ||
| That's how it starts. | ||
| I could work in the morning. | ||
| After about an hour and a half, my voice worked enough, but it was still rough. | ||
| And then by like five, I was Took some more and was able to do the nightly show, but it was still kind of rough. | ||
| This morning, at my limit. | ||
| If you take too much, your stomach stops producing the mucous lining, you get ulcers. | ||
| And it starts hurting. | ||
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Before the show started, Tim said, you know what, there's a lot of guys here, so you guys kind of take the conversation. | |
| Oh yeah. | ||
| And then he had a lot to say. | ||
| The crowder thing is too big, especially like, Yeah, I'm sorry. | ||
| This is the fight though, like the platforming issues that we're dealing with the censorship. | ||
| We didn't even mention the Twitter leaks and how we have now hard evidence that you have the FBI, CIA, all these people that are involved in setting the terms of service. | ||
| I mean, this is a really important conversation. | ||
| I've been working on the charity for this technology that can help Stephen for two years. | ||
| We're still on filing, but I mean, this is serendipitous. | ||
| Takes like two years. | ||
| That was the idea. | ||
| There's a reason we started it in the beginning. | ||
| Creating an easy way that anyone can spin up their own membership website. | ||
| Oh, that's beautiful. | ||
| So that there's no more network, there's no more I get 5%, there's no more I get 20%. | ||
| And it creates a network of all the people that are using the software. | ||
| Oh, that's really cool. | ||
| Yep, and so that way you create a network where no one can be banned, where nobody is a boss over them, but you can still discover content. | ||
| Let's read more. | ||
| Cosmic Surgeon says, Tim, please name names. | ||
| Someone has to be the one to stop protecting these people. | ||
| Truth is an absolute defensive label. | ||
| I will tell you, I know a whole lot about what's going on, but not naming names, it's because I don't see bad guys in this story. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| Like, you got, you know, two guys are fighting over who owns a piece of land. | ||
| One guy says, my grandfather is the one who came and cleared the bush out of here and made it livable. | ||
| And then this dude came in and lived here. | ||
| And he goes, what do you mean? | ||
| He cleared some bush, but there were wolves all over the place. | ||
| It was my dad who came in and got rid of the wolves. | ||
| And now they're arguing over who owns the land. | ||
| And I'm like, these guys aren't evil people. | ||
| They're making, they're staking their claim and we're trying to adjudicate fairly who really is the person who's in the right, who's really in the wrong. | ||
| Crowder thinks these contracts are bad. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But I don't think the company that's offered them up is doing it because they're evil and they're doing it because they're looking at their terms and being like, yo, if this guy gets a strike, we lose all this money. | ||
| We're screwed. | ||
| And it's a highly competitive space. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And even with me getting screwed over at the end of the day, they have their own different side and version of their story. | ||
| But I'm happy that it happened and I'm grateful for it now. | ||
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Right. | |
| Jason Dixon says, Tim, I'm a member for two years, six months, and 23 days. | ||
| I will move my $10 to Timcast website and drop YouTube. | ||
| Thoughts? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You are much better off. | ||
| So, here's the way it works for us. | ||
| Because I just tell you guys. | ||
| YouTube's got rules. | ||
| We break them, we get shut down. | ||
| So what do we do? | ||
| We talk about what we can't hear, and then we say the speakeasies round back. | ||
| TimCast.com, uncensored, become a member, and there's a big library of all the uncensored conversations. | ||
| For the most part, our opinions don't really, we're not like masking our opinions. | ||
| We just, we avoid saying things in certain ways, like swearing. | ||
| We swear a lot on the members only. | ||
| But like certain subjects just get put there for safety reasons. | ||
| There's an option, because a lot of people are like, have balls and just say it on YouTube. | ||
| It's like, oh, then we cease to exist. | ||
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Yeah, it's stupid. | |
| Yeah, I don't, I don't, like, right now, if we're on YouTube, the central battlefield, and we've got a bridge leading to the speakeasy where people can talk, it's better than just nuking everything. | ||
| You gotta keep that bridge open, man. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| Well, as long as you can, at least. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, but become a member at 10PS.com, or not. | ||
| Look, man, I don't know. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of people who, you know, every day I see people saying stuff like, Just discouraging things. | ||
| You know, you shouldn't be doing this, you should shut down. | ||
| You know, Tim Pool only cares about money. | ||
| Tim Pool only cares about fame. | ||
| And those are the kind of people that make me feel like, you know, maybe I should not be trying to fight for these people. | ||
| And then I'm like, but I always know those are not real fans. | ||
| Those are not real fighters. | ||
| Those are the people trying to trick you. | ||
| That's the devil on your shoulder, telling you they have your best interest at heart, but they're really trying to sabotage everything. | ||
| That's the Jordan Peterson, where he gets it right. | ||
| There's the people that have just gone too far down the black-pilled path. | ||
| That they start lashing out. | ||
| This is a really important one from Noah Sanders. | ||
| He says, wait, didn't y'all have Steve Hilton from Fox on as a guest? | ||
| How'd y'all swing getting him in if Fox has y'all blacklisted? | ||
| Keep up the great work. | ||
| We talked to him about this, actually. | ||
| And he was like, afterwards, he was like, we were like, how did they allow you to come on? | ||
| He's like, what do you mean? | ||
| And we were like, Fox guests can't come on this show. | ||
| And he goes, I didn't tell him. | ||
| He's like, I didn't read my contract. | ||
| I'm in trouble. | ||
| Farid Mahmood says, let me guess, Daily Wire trying to shaft Crowder have helped people in the past get signed with DW and their contracts are just as bad as the rest of media. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know. | ||
| I'm actually surprised Crowder came out and complained about the contract because most people would just be like, when they offered me a deal, I didn't go public and just be like, here's what I'm being offered from these different companies. | ||
| I'm like, look, if you come to me and say you'll give me 10 bucks to quit the show and go work at McDonald's, I'll say no. | ||
| I don't owe you anything, you don't owe me anything. | ||
| I'm not gonna come out and be like, how dare you? | ||
| But I think what Crowder did, why I think it was good, is because we've got to change this landscape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think, I mean, it is tough because I do wonder, would the personalities at Daily Wire exist in this capacity without the Daily Wire? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Jordan Peterson would. | |
| But Woody though, he's doing a lot more stuff now that he's with the Daily Wire than he was before. | ||
| Well, I think that's also because he's just finally getting his mind right. | ||
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It's kind of like the story of, I guess, the founding of this nation. | |
| So if this nation didn't accrue a ton of debt in order to recover from the Revolutionary War, would we be where we are at now? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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So it's kind of like, would the Daily Wire have that many content creators? | |
| If they didn't do that, it's hard to say. | ||
| Farid says, Tim, quote, I don't care about money and want to help people. | ||
| Poole, not gonna lie, you're sounding like SBF with FTX. | ||
| I'm also sounding a whole lot like Disney. | ||
| I'm sounding a whole lot like Netflix and NASCAR and any other ESG company that's like. | ||
| We have to put diversity, equity, inclusion at the core of our business because the stakeholders matter and profit isn't everything. | ||
| Me, I completely agree. | ||
| We gotta put the Gadsden flag on all our properties and MOLA and LABE because the values are what matters. | ||
| And the money is secondary. | ||
| If we can afford to eat and we can afford to expand, then afterwards we invest in making this country a better place. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Because you know what? | ||
| If you don't, don't put that money... I'll make it simple for everybody. | ||
| I am investing my money in America. | ||
| If I don't, I will own nothing and be very unhappy. | ||
| Shout out to Klaus. | ||
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That's right. | |
| So these people who are like, you know, I'll just make the money and then go disappear. | ||
| I'm like, you're not going to have money in five years, bro. | ||
| Well, if you do it, ain't going to buy much. | ||
| I bought Tesla stock recently because California, Oregon and Washington are banning gas cars. | ||
| You know, and a lot of people talk about the fear of electric cars and the centralization and control. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, it's the smart grid, not necessarily the electric grid. | ||
| It's a component for sure. | ||
| They can turn off your power and then what do you do? | ||
| I'll build a solar device. | ||
| I'll figure it out. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Ghost Crusaders Tim, you know the smear merchants are going to write hit piece after hit piece on you even harder now that you revealed how much you make annually. | ||
| Yeah, I gave a general estimate. | ||
| The funny thing is on my Wikipedia page, like, it includes an estimate of our monthly income. | ||
| And I'm just like, that's so weird. | ||
| It's so weird they would do that. | ||
| The Daily Beast wrote a hit piece and they included a fake number about our revenue. | ||
| And I was like, why? | ||
| I talked to them, I was like, that's not a real number. | ||
| Like, why are you including it? | ||
| And they're like, well, we heard. | ||
| About a year and a half ago, I got doxxed and someone had Googled my name and discovered my old company name. | ||
| And online, they found that I had six employees, which I didn't, and that I was only grossing or netting, I forget, 50 grand a year. | ||
| And they posted that to try and demonstrate that I was a fraud as opposed to just realizing that this information is completely nonsense. | ||
| I had six employees and I was grossing 50 grand a year. | ||
| Do you understand how criminal that would be? | ||
| Jeez, man. | ||
| You're like a robber baron, dude. | ||
| There's a good one. | ||
| Justin Swordall says, my Mug Club sub was $100 annually. | ||
| If half of Crowder's subs paid, that's $300 million annually. | ||
| $200 million for three years is trash. | ||
| It's not about the money. | ||
| You're right, except 3 million people will never subscribe. | ||
| Crowder can get, you know, he's got, I think on this video, since it went up, let's say 300,000 views. | ||
| I guarantee. | ||
| Not 99%. | ||
| Like, of those people who watched because of the subject matter of the video, I'd say 2% maybe signed up from Mug Club. | ||
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In merchandising, it's about a 3% retention rate when people view your product. | |
| So it's probably way less for this. | ||
| Oh, it's definitely less. | ||
| I mean, look, if we've got 1.4 million subs on this channel, holy crap, if 700,000 people were paying $10 a month, we would be doing a lot more than we are. | ||
| I would build a small city. | ||
| No joke, this is the crazy thing. | ||
| We're building this new building. | ||
| The new building we're putting up is 40 feet tall in the middle, 25 foot walls, with a studio built inside, and the whole thing's gonna cost around half a million dollars. | ||
| And then we gotta do the skate components and the entertainment stuff. | ||
| It's gonna be another couple hundred thousand dollars. | ||
| Dude, if we had half of our viewers, because we get a collective 60 million hits per month. | ||
| That would be 84 million annually. | ||
| If we get, like on this video right now, there's 39,000 people currently watching. | ||
| It peaked at like 45. | ||
| If every one of these people signed up, wow. | ||
| But they don't. | ||
| They don't have to. | ||
| I'm not telling you you have to. | ||
| I'm just saying, like, the conversion rate ain't there. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's not. | ||
| Like, man, I don't know, you know, if, if, if 10% of, If we had 140,000 people giving us 10 bucks a month, could you imagine if 10%? | ||
| Well, see, this is where I think the network play actually works because like on Gas Digital, you have 12 different programs that once you pay, you get all of this uncensored content. | ||
| Whereas if you're one creator, well, you just don't have enough content to offer to like really justify that expenditure. | ||
| So that's where I think the network play does make sense for the person to subscribe. | ||
| If you're a channel with like 100,000 subs and someone comes to you and says, we got 10 channels each with 100,000 subs and we're creating a network and we're going to sell it for $10 a month and we'll pay you $100,000 a year, right? | ||
| It might be worth it to you. | ||
| I know a lot of people are signing deals with Rumble. | ||
| Because Rumble's like, we're going to give you money. | ||
| And they're like, wow, I can pay my bills now. | ||
| I like that, that's great. | ||
| Kim Iverson actually, bless her heart, we've become friends over the past year. | ||
| I was just on her new Rumble exclusive show and I told her after my second strike, | ||
| I was like, look, I don't know what I'm gonna do but I know you've got the exclusive deal with Rumble, | ||
| can you help Liberty Lockdown become a Rumble exclusive? | ||
| And she said she's gonna ask, so let's see. | ||
| I mean, it's tragic that this is the game that we're in where we're just constantly ducking and dodging | ||
| and trying to get different platforms to keep us alive but it's the nature of the beast. | ||
| I've thought that you were supposed to be vocal about what you believed. | ||
| That was what I thought growing up. | ||
| So that's what I did in 2006 and I haven't stopped really except for censors. | ||
| I'm trying to be kind. | ||
| You naive little guy. | ||
| I'm going to read a regular chat. | ||
| I'm trying to tell the truth. | ||
| I got a regular chat that needs to be read. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Lulz Sanchez says I pay for Mug Club only for Crowder. | ||
| I'm pretty sure Mug Club was just a Blaze membership. | ||
| Am I wrong about that? | ||
| I really don't know. | ||
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So, like... I thought it, like, originated from, like, it's changed my mind things, but I'm not really sure. | |
| I don't know, I don't know exactly, but I thought when Crowder was with the Blaze, if you signed up for Mug Club, you were signing up for the Blaze. | ||
| Otherwise, I don't understand how that would make sense. | ||
| I thought it began when it was just him as a solo operator, but maybe he was always part of the Blazers. | ||
| I really don't know. | ||
|
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Didn't Ben Shapiro, before the Daily Wire was a huge operation, he had the liberal tear mugs? | |
| What was that? | ||
| Liberal tears? | ||
| I've seen that. | ||
|
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Yeah, did people just sign up and they got a mug? | |
| What else did they get? | ||
| I don't really know. | ||
| Oh, so did Daily Wire gain control of Yamabushi Nate says, Tim, no offense, but on your comment on your crew, I really like Luke and Surgeon Ian. | ||
|
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built pre-WIRE. Well what was he offering? Like back before there was this whole | |
| DailyWIRE incorporated thing? A lot of, I don't know, a lot of questions. I know he | ||
| and Jeremy kind of created the thing together with a third guy, Caleb I | ||
| believe is his name. I don't know Caleb. Yamabushi Nate says, Tim no offense but on | ||
| your comment on your crew I really like Luke and Serge and Ian. It makes the show | ||
|
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for me. I'll clarify. | |
| You're not saying anything bad about them. | ||
| It's so weird that people are hearing that. | ||
| Well, you know, just to add context, for one, Luke has never worked here because Luke owns his own media company. | ||
| So he's his own dude, like his own company and profits. | ||
| But as for what I was saying is, Timcast IRL couldn't exist without the employees who work for the show. | ||
| But if I didn't do this show, I would still be well off doing just Timcast News and Timcast. | ||
| And it's like, it's a diminishing return. | ||
| The amount of money I make from working, like if I only worked one hour, the bulk of my money would come in. | ||
| I add a second hour, I make less. | ||
| I add a third hour, even less. | ||
| And so like the 16th hour of work I do brings in very little money. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| I bet though, because it's all subscription based, or a lot of it's subscription based, you're almost at the point where you could work 7 to 11 every day, just do this show, and you still make the same amount of subscriptions. | ||
| I mean, IRL drives almost all the subscriptions. | ||
| Like, I think the overall majority of memberships for TimGast.com is just this show. | ||
| Well, perfect example. | ||
| I ran a mortgage company. | ||
| I made a half a million dollars a year working by myself, and I just subbed out all of the work for loan docs and title and everything else. | ||
| I could have brought in employees, because I was a broker. | ||
| They could have worked under me. | ||
| I could have made points off of them. | ||
| They could have all made a good living of $150,000 to $200,000 a year. | ||
| I would have increased my annual net revenue probably $50,000 to $100,000 per employee I brought on. | ||
| But my quality of life would have been so catastrophically diminished, I opted not to. | ||
| That doesn't mean that those people aren't valuable. | ||
| That means that I am making a different decision for myself. | ||
| That doesn't mean that I despise or think that those people are worthless. | ||
| I'm just making a different choice. | ||
| Tim went the other route, and he's now growing a real powerful thing. | ||
| Like a real network enterprise here. | ||
| And I just didn't, I'm just, I don't have that in me. | ||
| I don't want to go that route. | ||
| It's a lot of work. | ||
| I probably won't do it today though, because now I understand how dire things are. | ||
| But back when I was doing that, it didn't seem like we were so close to the precipice. | ||
| The first couple of years when we launched this, I was working with no days off. | ||
| So I would do Sunday to Sunday, you know, Monday to Sunday, the Tim Pool Morning Show, six segments between TimCast News and TimCast on YouTube and the podcast, and then Monday through Friday at, you know, 8 to 10, TimCast IRL. | ||
| And then I think 2020 and I think in 2021 is when I stopped. | ||
| New year of 2021, I stopped working weekends and I removed three segments. | ||
| I brought those three segments back, but I'm still not working weekends. | ||
| The issue was that I literally had no time to go to the bank. | ||
| And I was like, okay, I'm doing a lot of content. | ||
| It makes a lot of money. | ||
| But if I don't go to the bank, here's the crazy thing too. | ||
| Doing the podcast every day with no days off, put the Tim Pool Daily Show in like the top 30 podcasts in the world, because it guaranteed me above everybody else. | ||
| Because people stopped working. | ||
| Once I stopped working, Tim Pool Daily Show fell completely off the charts. | ||
| And it's like 300 or something. | ||
| Alright, a lot of people are saying we didn't watch the video Crowder put out. | ||
| I watched the entire thing. | ||
| Chase said, Tim, it's not about the money in Steven's contract. | ||
| It's about the mechanisms to control his speech. | ||
| Y'all are missing the point. | ||
| Steven is saying that Big Conservative is watering down the message of its creators through the deals. | ||
| I think he misunderstands. | ||
| I think the contract was bad, but I think it was an issue of hammering out the details. | ||
| I don't see these companies as evil. | ||
| I see them as needing to exist, but I think these deals don't work this way anymore, and the system can't survive this way anymore. | ||
| I think What he was seeing was them saying, if you get a strike, we are going to remove X from the guarantee because you can't make money for us. | ||
| But I think the percentages they put were ridiculous. | ||
| That just clearly didn't work. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So here's the deal. | ||
| I think that Crowder has a point. | ||
| I think that there's also a bigger point about whether or not there is controlled opposition that exists in the conservative realm. | ||
| And I don't think that Daily Wire or The Blaze or any of these people are necessarily in that category. | ||
| But I do think that it's interesting, too, if we could unwind the finances that go into these deals, the actual source funding that creates these networks, and then understand why these contracts are being structured how they are, that would tell you, perhaps, whether or not this was actually a mechanism for trying to control a counter-narrative Sure, yeah. | ||
| YouTube is actually just Alphabet, the company. | ||
| You can call it whatever you want. | ||
| It's got a skin suit on that says the word YouTube on it, but it's Alphabet. | ||
| So I'm like, who really is running the show? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Pat Meadows says, if Tim Kast negotiates a contract with Crowder and gets him on board, I will triple my monthly membership payment to Tim Kast. | ||
| Who's with me? | ||
| Take a poll, how many people would pay $30 a month to see, get a Tim Pooles, Steve McLeod network? | ||
| If a million of you sign up tonight, I think it'll happen. | ||
| Straight up, if $20 a month is doable, I mean, that could happen tomorrow and no one would lose a thing. | ||
| Let me just, you know, I normally don't like to talk about private business, but let me tell you guys something. | ||
| I talked to Crowder periodically. | ||
| And I did make him an offer. | ||
| I did. | ||
| And you know what he said? | ||
| He said no. | ||
| Did he crap on your contract? | ||
| You know what the contract offer was? | ||
| It was, I don't see how we could work with you in any kind of capacity like this. | ||
| The conversation wasn't explicitly about what's going on with this. | ||
| We were having a conversation in general. | ||
| And then I was like, you're way too big for us to ever work with you in any kind of capacity like that. | ||
| But here's my offer. | ||
| I know some guys who can build you your own website and we can probably like arrange a way | ||
| that you can have your own independent thing. | ||
| I can connect you with them. | ||
| That was the deal. | ||
| That was the offer. | ||
| And he was like, well, I can probably find a company. | ||
| I'll figure something out. | ||
| I was like, okay, cool, man. | ||
| Like, good luck. | ||
| Like, I don't, I told him, I was like, bro, like we're doing our thing here. | ||
| And I was like, you gotta, like you gotta do your own thing, man. | ||
| It's the only way we get through this. | ||
| We've talked about a bunch of stuff, just privately as, I guess, friends, or whatever you call it. | ||
| I've never hung out with him in person, but we've talked about a lot of political stuff. | ||
| We were talking generally, again, not about this. | ||
| We were talking about something unrelated, and I mentioned the culture war with Disney and stuff. | ||
| People gotta do their own thing, man. | ||
| I was like, you gotta do your own thing. | ||
| And so my whole point was like, the only way we win is when you have your own thing going. | ||
| It just wouldn't make sense otherwise. | ||
| I don't know how anyone can sign deals with these big companies like this. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| Well, given the nature of that particular contract, I understand why people don't. | ||
| Yeah, my thing is just like, if you're as big as Crowder, You gotta own your own thing. | ||
| That's the only thing you can do. | ||
| But yeah, I was talking to him and I was like, what's the deal with their website? | ||
| Like, you know, I know a guy. | ||
| I can give you his number. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| He needs help getting a website. | ||
| No, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Wix. | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| I can send you the web link. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| Like, he didn't need anything from me. | ||
| He's doing everything already. | ||
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Kind of amazing. | |
| I'm willing to bet he starts pulling in like 10-15 million per month. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if Crowder surpasses The Daily Wire in a few years. | ||
| Wow, interesting. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It really comes down to, does he want to manage it? | ||
| Because what they do at The Daily Wire is great, is that the three of them, Ben, Jeremy, and is it Caleb? | ||
| I want to make sure I get his name right, I don't know him personally. | ||
| They run it. | ||
| I mean, Ben actually is hands-off. | ||
| He's doing the Crowder role with Daily Wire. | ||
| Jeremy's taking care of the business. | ||
| So Crowder would need a guy like Jeremy to take care of the business. | ||
| The thing is, Jeremy owns half the company, or a third-third of the company or something. | ||
| So you'd give that up for that scope. | ||
|
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Do you think that's because of the comedy role that Crowder plays? | |
| Why he would surpass the Daily Wire? | ||
| Why do you think that? | ||
| He's like the biggest personality. | ||
|
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Yeah, but does that, I mean, how does that exactly correlate? | |
| I mean, the content is what I'm talking about. | ||
| Why is his content? | ||
| You look at what Crowder's doing right now. | ||
| He's a culture warrior. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think the Daily Wire are, like, to the same degree. | ||
| And the people subscribe to the Daily Wire for good content. | ||
| I mean, Jordan Peterson's a good guy to watch. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| He's a culture warrior. | ||
| Ben Shapiro is to a certain degree, but Ben Shapiro's not Stephen Crowder. | ||
| Well, I think it's because of this is why we have the two platforms, and Tower Gang is for the comedic outlet. | ||
| I think that you can reach people that you simply cannot reach if you don't go comedy route. | ||
| You know, I'm really inspired by Black Rifle Coffee. | ||
| Those guys are really awesome. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| Because I know some stuff. | ||
| I don't know what I can and can't say, but I remember learning about the people they've signed deals with. | ||
| And I was shocked to learn that high-profile mainstream athletes were signing with Black Rifle. | ||
| And I'm like, this is the greatest thing I've ever heard. | ||
| Because Black Rifle is staunchly pro-gun and conservative, and you got mainstream, top-tier action sports athletes signing deals with them. | ||
| I'm like, wow! | ||
| But why did they not get on board with defending Kyle Rittenhouse outright? | ||
| The response to Kyle Rittenhouse was, we do not sponsor Kyle Rittenhouse, and we will not sponsor Kyle Rittenhouse. | ||
| They said, we do not profit off of tragedy, and we do not intend to be involved in this. | ||
| And it's kind of like, that's weird to me. | ||
| You're a guns rights company. | ||
| You can't fail in that moment. | ||
| No matter the media heat that comes, you cannot fail. | ||
| And they did. | ||
| And my attitude was like, If we started a coffee company, like we are, and one day Kyle Rittenhouse wore our shirt, my statement would explicitly be, we are honored that this young man was wearing the shirt of our company. | ||
| Thank you, Kyle Rittenhouse. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| Promo code Kyle. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's up to Kyle. | ||
| But my point is just this, it's like, This is why I think Steven Crowder will do better than the Daily Wire. | ||
| Because Steven Crowder is the guy who will walk up into the face of the machine and say, F you, no. | ||
| It's challenging, though, because Crowder's like, it's like comparing a warrior to an armada of ships, like each, like Crowder's one ship in the armada that is the Daily Wire. | ||
| And so Ian, I just want to take this moment to say how much I love your brain. | ||
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Thanks, homie. | |
| You just come with that analogy out of nowhere? | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| I was thinking about it like 30 seconds ago. | ||
| This is genius stuff! | ||
| People are sleeping on Ian Crossland. | ||
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My favorite cast member, no offense to him. | |
| A lot of people are saying F-BRC. | ||
| I'm like, I disagree, man. | ||
| Like, Black Rifle Coffee is extremely important. | ||
| I don't know which athletes I'm allowed to say have signed deals with them because I don't know which ones went public or not, but this is a tremendously positive thing in cultural takeover. | ||
| And I get the game they're playing. | ||
| I think they're, you know, the daily wire to our coffee. | ||
| Our coffee company is going to be like, yeah, we're not going to screw around. | ||
| We're not going to play dirty games. | ||
| We're not going to be crazy a-holes or anything. | ||
| We're just going to be like, if someone comes and we get a journalist, they're going to be like, you, Kyle Rittenhouse is wearing your shirt. | ||
| And I'll be like, that's cool. | ||
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Yes, and? | |
| Yeah, yes, and. | ||
| A lot of people wear our shirts. | ||
| We think Kyle Rittenhouse was unjustly prosecuted. | ||
| I think it was a clear-cut case of self-defense. | ||
| And we are glad to see that justice prevailed in this case. | ||
| He was acquitted. | ||
| Yeah, and his life was also ruined by the media, so I don't respect any of your questioning. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Yeah, like, I don't understand why, like, Black Rifle... No, I get it. | ||
| I guess they're trying to go mainstream. | ||
| They're trying to be more mainstream. | ||
| Similar to sometimes when we adhere to the censors on YouTube, we'll end up... People will be like, why? | ||
| Why don't you just say it? | ||
| You're like, well, we're... | ||
| Following the sensorial rules that we don't necessarily agree with because we want to stay on YouTube. | ||
| Maybe they thought they'd get blacklisted if they went bullish on Kyle too early. | ||
| And that's why I disagree. | ||
| Yeah, that's more of an idealist, like, difference of ideals between you guys. | ||
| We go in the members-only show and we outright just talk about these subjects. | ||
| We don't say, well, now, hold on, you know. | ||
| Like, The Daily Wire does an important thing. | ||
| And I think Crowder would be bigger than him because Crowder is, he's more Trumpian in that regard. | ||
| We're a bit over, so we gotta go to the members only, but I could talk about this kind of stuff for a million years. | ||
| So, alright, I'll read this last one. | ||
| Alan Hale says, Tim, please pluck that singular white hair from your beard. | ||
| It's bothering me. | ||
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There's one right here. | |
| Where is it? | ||
| Bottom right. | ||
| Don't pluck it. | ||
| Pluck it and then sell it. | ||
| This was like, man, we have so much news to talk about. | ||
| We didn't because like this is how the sausage gets made. | ||
| Really, really important conversation. | ||
| But let's talk more in the members only section about a lot of stuff. | ||
| So head over to TimCast.com. | ||
| Become a member to support our work directly. | ||
| Let me read this one from John Bartholomew. | ||
| He says, Black Rifle is not pro-gun, Tim. | ||
| Research their statements, positions, and political donations. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, mark my words. | ||
| We're launching a company. | ||
| I don't know if I can say the name just yet because we're still designing everything. | ||
| We've got the graphics ready to go. | ||
| I think we're waiting on the bags to get printed. | ||
| And we've tested the blends out. | ||
| I like a mean dark roast. | ||
| But we've also got a nice bright blend called Rise with Roberto Jr. | ||
| And I could go either way. | ||
| We're not going to hide. | ||
| You know, look, the company's not going to make political donations. | ||
| I really don't understand why the company would donate to PAX. | ||
| But if we do, we will give to good guns rights organizations and politicians. | ||
| Not that the company is a gun company or anything like that. | ||
| But I will say it, I would be honored if we could have Kyle Rittenhouse in some capacity wear our shirt or do something like that. | ||
| I like Black Rival Coffee, but we're going to be more aggressive in our culture warrior ring. | ||
| Do you think that Black Rifle nailed kind of like when they were throwing the dildos at the wall on the Vice documentary? | ||
| They're like, if we can talk about transgenderism and racism, like they have rifles and coffee in their title. | ||
| So they brought... Were we missing something? | ||
| That had nothing to do with 2A or anything. | ||
| Yeah, what? | ||
| We'll go to the members only show. | ||
| So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. | ||
| This was really a lot of inside baseball, but I appreciate everybody sticking around and listening to this very esoteric episode. | ||
| Shout out to Steven Crowder. | ||
| I think it's really important to call out how this machine works as we start to change the shape of it. | ||
| And I don't think there's any bad guys here. | ||
| I just think it's an archaic machine that needs to change. | ||
| And I think Crowder is going to take over the space. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| So I'm a big fan and I'm really excited to see what happens. | ||
| So head over to TimCast.com, become a member. | ||
| You can follow the show at TimCast.irl. | ||
| You can follow me at TimCast. | ||
| Tower Gang guys, you want to shout anything out? | ||
| Just at Liberty Lockpot on Twitter, got 65K of you over there. | ||
| That's one of the platforms I'm not afraid of losing. | ||
| Please go subscribe to Liberty Lockdown on Rumble, and also Tower Gang on Rumble, and last but not least, libertylockdown.locals.com. | ||
| Also, very final note, Mises Caucus putting together a debate between Dave Smith and Destiny Live in Tennessee, and right now, the B Team, if you will, would be Clint Russell versus Bosch. | ||
| And Bosch, the gauntlet has been thrown. | ||
| I challenge you, sir. | ||
| When is that? | ||
| That sounds awesome. | ||
| He has not. | ||
| This is why I wanted to take the opportunity to throw down the gauntlet. | ||
| But you say it's already confirmed? | ||
| It's going to be Dave Smith and Destiny? | ||
| Well, that's what the Mises Caucus is telling me they have. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I've been watching a lot of Destiny content. | ||
| Steve Bonnell. | ||
| And I just went back and I watched Bosch on here against, who was it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Great debate. | ||
| Charlie Kirk. | ||
| We're all talking about such important stuff. | ||
| Charlie Kirk was very impressive. | ||
| I did not expect that. | ||
|
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Oh yes, you can follow me at TopLobster with an A, TopLobster.com. | |
| Go to PodcastMerch.com and I also want to just shout out the people that I do work for like Hotep Jesus, Majid Nawaz, Josh Smith with Break the Cycle, Noé José, Liberty Lockdown, Reed Coverdale, all these people. | ||
| Naturalist Capitalist and yeah, shout out to... | ||
| God, he's like a brother to me, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| He's like a brother to us. | ||
| Luis J Gomez. | ||
|
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And check out Tower Gang. | |
| Thank you, guys. | ||
| Maybe we are changed soon. | ||
| We'll talk. | ||
| Anyway, my website is lukeuncensored.com. | ||
| You made a very important point, telling people to specifically vote with their dollar. | ||
| I've been working my butt off for many years now, building up lukeuncensored.com. | ||
| I do a lot of videos on there, a lot of AMAs, a lot of giveaways, a lot of meetups, a lot of merchandise. | ||
| You name it. | ||
| We got it all at lukeuncensored.com. | ||
| See you there. | ||
| Lots of crazy news. | ||
| They're bringing in all the prostitutes to Davos. | ||
| Lots of craziness to talk about. | ||
| We're going to get into that in this after show. | ||
| I talked about it too, so thanks for having me. | ||
| Always a pleasure to see you guys. | ||
| Always a pleasure to host a show for you guys out there listening. | ||
| Thank you so much for coming and listening. | ||
| Hit the like button on your way out if you haven't done that yet. | ||
| And consider subscribing to TimCast.com. | ||
| I think you did a poll yesterday, and honestly, 24% of the people watching had been subscribed. | ||
| I was shocked. | ||
| There's a lot, actually. | ||
| Yeah, more. | ||
| Let's get behind the scenes and see what's going on. | ||
| Ah, love you. | ||
| And you can follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to. | ||
| Catch you later. | ||
| Hey guys, love you too. | ||
| Love the show. | ||
| It's been great. | ||
| I don't feel any animosity towards Tim for hiring me and giving me a job to be able to work here and do all these things. | ||
| You poor victim, you. | ||
| Yeah, seriously. | ||
| I mean, he brought me out of Hollywood. | ||
| He brought me out of the belly of the beast, so to speak. | ||
| I'm always grateful. | ||
| I love this show. | ||
| I've been a fan of the show since the beginning. | ||
| I love this program. | ||
| I love the platform. | ||
| We're doing a good thing here. | ||
| I left being in like this totally different world to be able to be here and do what I believe in. | ||
| Like Tim said, it's an ideological company. | ||
| You have to support the idea and what we're all standing behind here. | ||
| So smash that like button, like Ian said, and let's roll the after show. | ||
| Yeah, I think, you know, if we do get into more of the media stuff, In the members show, I'll try to just spill the beans as much as I can on as much as I can. | ||
| What I try to avoid doing is just stepping on the toes of people who've not wronged me and have not wronged others. | ||
| Just because two people have a civil dispute doesn't mean either of them are bad guys. | ||
| But I'll try and talk about as much as I can with the money and the deals and what we're working on and why we're working on it. | ||
| There's potential risks. | ||
| I have people saying, like, don't talk about money someone mentioned. | ||
| Like, oh no, you're going to get hit pieces because you mentioned revenue streams and stuff. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe people just deserve to know exactly what's going on and why it's going on. | ||
| And they can make their informed choices based on that. | ||
| So let's talk. | ||
| We'll talk about some numbers and maybe the media will run hit pieces. | ||
| Head over to TimCast.com, become a member if you want to hear this. | ||
| And we'll see you all over there. |
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