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Nov. 17, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - New Report CONFIRMS INSANE Paul Pelosi Story, NBC Accused of LYING w/Michale Graves
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tim pool
the world.
A tragedy.
A man struck him in the head with a hammer.
I mean, it's a brutal attack.
I'm glad that he's getting better.
Nancy Pelosi gave a heartfelt interview saying that this was a contributing factor into why she may retire.
Or it could be that the Democrats just lost the House formally.
It is now confirmed.
Republicans have taken control.
They knew they had control.
They were already having those meetings.
But now something interesting has happened.
A story came out from the Today Show.
They deleted it.
They never issued a formal retraction.
They said it just wasn't up to their standards, but didn't give an explanation.
Where Paul Pelosi apparently opened the door for the cops.
Well, they pulled that video down.
We now have a new report coming out confirming much of those details, leaving many to question why it was that NBC pulled their story.
Could it be they pulled it before the midterms and now the midterms are over, the story is fair game again?
I don't know, man.
But we're going to talk about it because it is weird to say the least.
We also have some other stories that are quite fun and funny.
The Democrats are already trying to invoke the 14th Amendment to stop Trump from being able to run for office, which is just nonsense, insanity.
And Zelensky is, I can only say, I guess, trying to invoke World War III.
Because even after NATO said, hey guys, that missile strike, actually, Ukrainian, big mistake, Zelensky's like, no, no, no.
So hopefully this man doesn't drag us into World War III, but he's now being criticized by even members of NATO that he's too overzealous and needs to calm down.
We get it.
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Joining us today to talk about a whole bunch of stuff is Michael Graves.
michale graves
Yeah!
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Yeah, who are you?
michale graves
This is awesome.
tim pool
Thanks for coming, man.
michale graves
Well, my claim to fame is I joined the Misfits in 1995, left in 2001 and continued my musical journey onward.
Gleefully canceled in 2004 for a host of things, including saying the word Jesus.
luke rudkowski
How dare you?
michale graves
Yeah, I know.
luke rudkowski
I know.
michale graves
I know.
In Hollywood?
Yeah, well, My family's very upset with me.
But yeah, you know, I'm like the Forrest Gump of music.
There you go.
Yeah, that's who I am.
tim pool
I'm a music man.
You do great work.
Misfits are awesome, by the way.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
Super excited to have you here.
It should be fun.
We also got Luke wearing a shirt with Karl Marx on it.
luke rudkowski
Hey guys as you know my family barely survived communism that's ... why today I'm wearing one of my favorite t-shirts it's it's ... wonderful to wear at at hippie yuppie areas you see the ... barista see the shirt you see the glimmer of hope and ... happiness and then he reads the quote on the bottom.
That is awesome.
If you want to experience this amazing moment with your fellow baristas, you could get the shirt on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
Because you do, this is why I'm here.
And this is definitely worth a real-life troll that is really fun to put on the yuppies.
ian crossland
I like that a lot.
Gibs me dats.
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What's up, dude?
tim pool
Oh, look who's back.
michale graves
Hey, what's up, YouTubers?
I'm still here.
unidentified
I'm still alive.
tim pool
Nothing crazy happened.
unidentified
Don't worry about it.
ian crossland
I'm at surge.com as well, by the way.
tim pool
Let's get into this first story.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Bay Area NBC station is running report questioning the circumstances of Paul Pelosi's hammer attack, which include the same details as today's show segment retracted for inaccuracies and left star reporter Miguel Almaguer suspended.
This is particularly interesting.
They say NBC News is under mounting pressure to explain its actions after suspending star reporter Miguel Almaguer over one of his Today Show segments on the Paul Pelosi hammer attack.
It took the action despite a second report on the company-owned and operated NBC Bay Area Station that repeats many of the same points in Almaguer's report.
They're going to mention that NBC removed the footage from its website hours after airing on November 4th.
Now, we do have another report from Fox News.
And this is what they mentioned that's very, very interesting.
I want to read this one.
NBC News national correspondent reported on November 4th for the Today Show that police didn't know they were responding to the Pelosi residence.
Pelosi opened the door for police but didn't attempt to escape or declare an emergency and even walked away from law enforcement and toward his eventual attacker.
They go on to mention, last Friday, exactly one week after Almaguer's report was mysteriously retracted, with little public detail, NBC San Francisco local affiliate, which is branded as NBC Bay Area, aired an explosive report with highly similar details indicating Pelosi opened the door for police and didn't immediately attempt to escape.
So, the initial story, someone broke into the Pelosi residence, screamed, where's Nancy, in his underwear with zip ties, and struck Paul on the head.
Now, that then turned into, okay, he was actually clothed.
Okay, a third man opened the door, but we don't know who it was.
They changed the story again.
And now, the Today Show comes out and says, Paul Pelosi opens the door, doesn't try to escape, walks back to the guy who says there's nothing going on, and then who strikes him.
And now the story is being confirmed, again I should say, after the Today Show retracted, not even formally retracted, just deleted the video.
I have to wonder.
What really happened?
Of course, the theory from the right is that it was a late-night either drug deal or love romp gone wrong, and the police responded, and, you know, lover's quarrel of some sort.
I think drug deal makes more sense, which is why they're, you know, look, it's 3 a.m., Paul Pelosi's like, send in the crazy weirdo guy who's got the drugs, fight breaks out of her cash or something like that, who knows.
Or, Maybe the police didn't know they were spawning to Paul Pelosi's house.
They opened the door and they attacked Paul Pelosi because he was in his underwear.
And they assumed it must be a crazy guy or something.
Maybe the cops are the ones who hit him and then they're trying to cover up their story.
ian crossland
I feel like if the cops hit him we would be seeing like Defund the Police Part 2.
Right.
tim pool
Nobody knows what happened.
ian crossland
It sounds like two drunk dudes at a bar, like just, you know, people can get belligerent late night when they're both really hammered and they don't even know what they're talking about.
The one guy just gets angry and then they're like, and then they just start to bump into each other.
Like, that's what it sounds like.
Well, David and Paul were doing.
luke rudkowski
Well personally I'm just sick of the speculating I don't ... want to speculate anymore release the body cam footage ... release the surveillance footage then we can actually ... know what happened here otherwise you don't give the ... government any benefit of the doubt we're talking about ... career criminals who parade themselves around like some ... high-level politicians and officials they're not these ... people are up to some really nasty stuff we're talking about ... so much corruption within the Pelosi family we're talking ... about so much money that they earned off of America's back ...
When it comes to government officials and people connected to them, we should always think the worst possible scenario.
Always go with that until we actually have some actual evidence.
They were doing unspeakable things to small babies.
They were sacrificing children.
Let's just go with that.
If we're going to be speculating what happened here, let's think of the worst thing, because we shouldn't be giving government any kind of credence, any kind of leeway here.
And with this story being so crazy insane, they were doing god-awful things to small babies.
That's it.
tim pool
I just assume the worst, I guess.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, absolutely.
And you should with government.
Because what government does is probably usually a lot worse than what we actually know actually really happens.
ian crossland
But Paul's not government.
He's only government adjacent.
tim pool
Government adjacent.
Well, that's just as bad.
luke rudkowski
That's just as bad.
How did he make all of his money?
Because of his connections to government, obviously.
unidentified
Allegedly.
luke rudkowski
It's pretty clear.
Allegedly.
It's not even alleged.
They make better calls on the stock market than Warren Buffett, okay?
You don't get that lucky.
It's impossible to be that lucky like the Pelosi's have been.
So, come on.
We know what it is.
tim pool
Maybe this guy, this DePopp guy, was his inside source on Wall Street, and that's how he was making his money.
ian crossland
And he was telling him to invest in FTX, and Paul was like, no, you screwed me!
michale graves
That's the problem, is that we're able to speculate on this story.
We're able to sit here and try to figure out what happened, and how did everybody get in their underwear, and why weren't the cops there, and the third in line to the presidency, there's... How did everybody get in their underwear?
Yeah, where did the hammer come from?
And I can't believe that nobody is selling hammers online, like the Paul Pelosi hammer.
It's pink and it vibrates.
Right, yeah.
It'd help you win a chess match, perhaps, if you deploy it correctly.
unidentified
There you go.
There's some insider humor here.
michale graves
But that's the thing.
All of this speculation could be over with if the government released the body cam and released the actual information that is out there and give us the clear story.
And we are not getting the clear story, once again.
tim pool
This is Paul Pelosi.
Is this an excuse for Nancy to retire and try and score points?
I don't understand what happened that they're trying to cover it up.
michale graves
It really seems to me like it was something that went wrong.
Like you said, maybe it was a bad drug deal or they were getting weird together.
Who knows?
And then the cleanup team came in.
They were just like, all right, what are we going to do?
We got to make this look like something.
And then the script writers came in and said, all right, well, let's make it like this.
Because think about how much power is being wielded by these people.
luke rudkowski
And many times Hollywood does work with the Pentagon when it comes to scripting narratives.
We have seen time and time again something happens in Iraq and they're like, okay, what can we say actually happened?
What really happened?
Those are two completely different things.
How can we use this event and change it for the best PR purposes?
We saw that with Jessica Lynch.
We saw that with Mainline Hollywood directors and producers getting involved ... in saying you know what this story of of the Iraqis taking ... her to a hospital and trying to help her doesn't really fit our ... narrative let's send in the tanks and let's say that they ... were holding her hostage again they made so much things ... up when it came to war they make so much things up when it ... comes to just our everyday life everything from them ... should be seen as fake.
Nothing should be believed by government or the authorities until we actually have some real-life evidence that we can back up their statements on because they are pathological liars, satanic individuals, some of them, that do awful things that we can't even imagine how terrible they are.
tim pool
Okay, you know, I'm sitting here and I see this story, and it's a crazy story, and I'm trying to figure out why whatever it is they're doing matters so much they don't want anyone to know about it.
Like, they suspended a star reporter from the Today Show for reporting what now sounds to be fact.
What is so important about this moment, this incident, that they don't want us to know about it?
This is the crazy thing.
Because I kind of look at this and I'm like, whatever Paul Pelosi's doing, I don't care about, right?
But to go to this degree?
It sounds like something they were doing must have mattered, like politically or something.
michale graves
I think it's an effort to fend off who these people really are, the depravity.
They just don't want their true colors to show, even though we all know it.
Obviously this man It abuses some sort of substances.
There's something going on.
These people are not on the up-and-up.
luke rudkowski
At least booze, from what we know about publicly, on the record.
ian crossland
He got busted driving drunk, like, within six months ago or something, and that's a problem.
If someone, especially in their 80s, is driving home drunk enough to get... I mean, not even drunk enough, just drunk in general.
I've driven drunk a couple times in my life.
It was probably some of the worst... I was, like, near suicidal at that period of my life, too.
Like, step on the gas and just wait for it to happen, kind of suicidal.
And that is a bad state of mind to drive drunk.
If you don't have that kind of self-control where you can be like, actually I have to drive, I'm gonna put it down, that indicates a big problem psychologically.
So I imagine the guys got obviously some problems.
tim pool
Look, the midterms.
This happens right before the midterms.
They pull the story.
After the midterms, story pops back up on an NBC affiliate.
It could just really be it makes the Pelosi's look freaky and weird, and it was bad for Democrats.
Republicans were running the story that there was a gay love romp or something, and they wanted to shut it down.
So NBC colluding, you know, or seeking to help, maybe not colluding, Democrats pulls the story until after the midterms.
That could be it.
It could really be as simple as Paul Pelosi is a weirdo who does freaky things in the middle of the night.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think that's for sure.
I mean, not for sure, but I think that's the case.
michale graves
But the connection to January 6th, see how it's connected to January 6th?
He walked in there and was saying, where's Nancy?
Where's Nancy?
Oh, well, of course he was saying that.
tim pool
That's another point.
michale graves
That's all those people are going to hear.
That's all the libs are going to hear.
unidentified
Like, oh!
tim pool
But so the question is, did they twist an existing story to make it sound like insurrection?
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
Or did they fabricate a story to try and win points before an election?
michale graves
I think it's exactly what I said before.
Something happened.
The truth happened that was something that has to do with depravity.
Nobody broke into that house.
Nobody just broke into that house, started walking around with a hammer, held up in the bathroom.
That's craziness.
tim pool
it's not you know it keeps changing so at this point i'm not inclined to believe what their version is yeah and
the fact that paul pelosi was not threatened when the cops into the door and
that's the new detail now being confirmed because you know clearly uses a get
michale graves
news is that he's got to be cameras in that house or is that if that he was
running around his underwear gone where's nancy
Where's Nancy?
We would see it over and over and over.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, that's true.
For their propaganda purposes, they would of course weaponize that footage and have it everywhere so we couldn't ignore it.
We would have to see it everywhere.
And we saw the corporate media after this being like, it's the conspiracy theorists that are the problem here.
They're the ones that are crazy.
They're the ones that we have to stop.
They're the ones that we have to go over.
We have to make sure that people can't be able to speak to each other.
And now they're punishing journalists like this Miguel reporter.
By the way, this reporter, Miguel Alamargar, hasn't tweeted since November 4th.
He's the one that got suspended for originally reporting the story which we talked about on the show that was specifically based on police sources.
What's happened to him?
I want to hear from this guy.
Miguel, if you're out there, what's going on here?
Because this is absolutely crazy what kind of story you're involved in.
tim pool
I'll tell you about conspiracy theories.
There was a tweet I can't remember who—I saw this was a verified Twitter account saying that Putin is pushing an insane conspiracy theory that the missile that hit Poland was Ukrainian.
We can't allow Russian disinformation, blah blah blah.
Sure enough, turns out even the West is now saying exactly that.
So we'll definitely get into the Ukraine stuff in a minute, but I just want to point that out.
When they come out and they're like, it's a conspiracy theory, don't believe it, typically that means, you know, I better look into that because you can't believe these people.
But I think Politics may have played a role.
Let's jump into the next story, because I think it's funny that the lead for this podcast was not, Republicans take control of the House, NBC News projects.
So it is now formally confirmed.
We knew this was going to happen.
That's why we were all saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it.
Republicans won the House.
But now it's formalized.
There's no recounts on this.
Nothing's going to change.
The only question now is, how many seats will the Republicans actually gain in the end of this?
It's looking like 219, but it could actually be a little bit more, depending on recounts, and we'll see.
But I just want to point out, this is massive.
They're already talking about investigating Fauci.
And the lead for this show is like, Paul Pelosi has weird, you know, lovers, tryst, romp, hammer attack, or something like that.
Because I kind of, well, I guess, I guess we kind of knew the Republicans were going to take the house.
But the question that I guess for everybody else is, how excited are you on a scale of one to 10?
ian crossland
I am three only because when I think of this issues and what we're going through right now, we've talked a lot about left and right and blue and red, but I'm starting to think it's actually like an economic plan that's happening right now.
It's very It's complicated.
There's lots of people with lots of different ideologies making moves and trying to take control, and they want us to think that it's a binary thing between them and us.
But really, it's a bunch of different economic pressures.
So this stuff is kind of like the mask that we are talking about that is being created, in my opinion, by the villain.
If it's a villain, you know, if there's going to be a villain.
Maybe I'm the villain.
luke rudkowski
One to ten, how much I'm excited for the Republicans?
Is that what you're asking?
tim pool
For them gaining control of the House.
luke rudkowski
Zero.
I don't think it's going to matter.
tim pool
I didn't say zero to ten.
I said one through ten, Luke.
Come on.
luke rudkowski
Zero point one.
unidentified
He won't do it.
luke rudkowski
Negative one.
They're not going to change anything.
They're not going to do anything.
And the Republicans have been pathetic.
tim pool
You don't think they're going to go after Fauci?
luke rudkowski
In the House?
tim pool
Yes.
They have subpoena power and investigatory power now.
luke rudkowski
I'd be very surprised if they do.
tim pool
They've already started talking about doing it.
Come on, you've got Thomas Massey in the House.
He'll do something.
Rand Paul is apparently having meetings as well.
He's in the Senate.
I know he doesn't have the same power, but...
luke rudkowski
It's not looking too good.
tim pool
What do you think, Dad?
They did choose McCarthy and McConnell for leadership.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
michale graves
I echo Luke's sentiment.
I would go with a one.
I just don't think, it just does, I don't think that they, I hate saying they, I just don't think that they will let us win.
I think it leans towards like the QAnon stuff, like where you go, alright we got the house now, we got all our people in, here we go, we're gonna investigate, Fauci's going down, we're going after this guy, we're coming out with our hammers.
tim pool
Touche, touche.
michale graves
You know, and once again, it's setting us up for this disappointment when we need to be saying, looking at the reality of it.
tim pool
Unless, well, look, I'm certainly not a one.
I'm not gonna pretend like Republicans coming in, pushing McCarthy and McConnell to the top again is any kind of real victory, but 31 members of the House did reject McCarthy, so there may be some leverage from the, I think it was mostly the Freedom Caucus, that they were basically like, nope, Yeah.
I think we'll see some stuff.
Look, we're not gonna win everything instantly, but I'm feeling pretty good.
I mean, look, it's better than Democrats doing January 6 hearings.
michale graves
I agree.
And I think, and I'm not completely sure on the process, but the vote for leadership doesn't take place until January, I think, until they reconvene.
You mean for the House?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, it's right, it's nomination, I think.
Is that what happened?
michale graves
I think so.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
I think McConnell, he did win, didn't he?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
So I'm fact-checking.
I'm pretty sure they've already had the vote.
Matt Gaetz, I think, maybe not Matt Gaetz, and someone, I can't remember who in the Senate, were trying to get it postponed, saying like, I think it might have been Hawley, I'm not sure.
michale graves
Yeah.
tim pool
Saying like, we should wait on this, but I'm pretty sure they did.
michale graves
Yeah, maybe I'm thinking of the House.
ian crossland
It says, Mitch McConnell wins secret ballot election to continue leading Senate Republicans seven hours ago.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
From CNN.
michale graves
That's just my wishful thinking.
ian crossland
I've got like this feeling like if we're talking about the future of humanity, that it's a big global project.
And we as Americans, a lot of us are stuck in the American perspective where we're only looking at ourselves.
And that if we can do this, then the whole world will win.
But like, I think a lot of people in the rest of the world are looking at us like goofballs obsessed with the circus that we're in right now.
And like, hey, you know, let's exit the circus and look around.
tim pool
Sort of.
luke rudkowski
So, one to ten.
What are you, Tim?
For McCarthy.
tim pool
Well, so, for McCarthy?
luke rudkowski
I mean, this is essentially what you tried to get me to answer to.
unidentified
No, no, no.
luke rudkowski
This is why I said zero.
tim pool
I'm excited that there's a small handful of Republicans who can have some pressure ability.
But I'll put it this way.
If one is, I'm extremely disappointed.
Ten is, I'm excited as I ever have been.
And five is kind of, eh, I'll say six.
You know?
Like, when you say one, you're saying like, I'm mad about this, this is the worst thing ever, this is bad for us.
Five is where you're like, meh.
I say six.
I'm cautiously optimistic that the circumstances we have to look forward to with Democrats is more January 6th nonsense, waste of our time, things that no one cares about.
With Republicans, it's like, okay, I guess, hopefully, they'll start talking about Fauci or something.
Maybe not, but whatever.
The January 6th stuff is done.
luke rudkowski
It's subjective because I just don't see any kind of larger solutions out there I don't I don't see them making life better for the average American especially with McCarty.
Just controlling everything he's going to be protecting a lot of people inside of the establishment and making sure that the Republicans aren't too wild aren't too crazy don't make too much.
Crazy moves.
So he's there to keep everyone in line, and I think that's exactly what they're going to be doing here.
And it's not like they have a lot of wiggle room here.
They barely were able to win this.
So as far as my optimism in politics, it's none.
My optimism is with the people of the United States.
It's with local officials, local individuals taking charge of their life and being responsible for themselves rather than giving all of their power and authority and money to politicians that don't give a damn about them.
tim pool
Okay, okay.
No, I agree on a lot of those points.
We have this other story from TimCast.com that goes along with this.
House Democrats Maneuver to Stop Trump's 2024 Presidential Bid.
House Rep Cites the 14th Amendment's Insurrection Clause as Basis to Deny Return to High Office.
This is what we have to look forward to if the Democrats retained control of the House.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
tim pool
They'd be just going, the 14th Amendment, man!
They'd be banging on the walls.
We ought to pad the walls to help them out.
luke rudkowski
You think they can't get a Republican to flip in the House?
I think they can.
I think they still could go forward with this and then they just go to the Republican and be like, you know that trip you made to the island?
You know those videotapes we have on you?
Are you going to vote with us, or do you want some larger expose on TMZ?
What do you want there?
Or they'll go to McCarthy and be like, look, McCarthy, we'll give you, you know, something.
We'll give you a little bit, but we want to make sure this happens.
McCarthy would be for this.
We got to understand this.
The old Republican base would be for this.
So this is why, again, I don't have a lot of hope.
michale graves
Right.
And meanwhile, they have the media in their pocket.
And so as they're doing that, they're churning out the narrative and they're just once again corralling the truth.
Which puts us in a very difficult position when we have things like nuclear war, what's happening in the medical side of things, what's happening to all of us.
Our country is being destroyed.
luke rudkowski
By the Democrats and Republicans.
michale graves
By both sides.
luke rudkowski
By both parties.
It's a duopoly.
It's a two-party system that pretends to be fighting each other most of the time.
Sometimes they really do fight, but most of the time it's all pretend.
It's all WWE.
It's all entertainment.
It's all showmanship.
tim pool
But that feels a little archaic to me.
I mean, I agree mostly, but since Donald Trump got into office, we started seeing a whole bunch of Libertarian and America First candidates.
I'm not saying they overlap.
They're both anti-establishment factions.
The House Freedom Caucus, where Ron DeSantis, I believe he helped found it, has been pushing back and expanding within the Republican Party.
So that's what I'm looking at.
Obviously, I'm not excited for Mitch McConnell.
No one likes this guy.
This is the funny thing.
I pulled up the civics polls and went through every single demographic, not a single demographic views him favorably, not even Republicans.
michale graves
How's this guy leading the charge?
tim pool
Because they're all cowards.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
There's a reason FTX was donating not only overwhelmingly to Democrats, but also to the GOP.
People don't forget.
When it comes to this larger FTX story, which is, I think, very important, you don't just see the Democrats being bought off here.
You see about $23 million going specifically to the Republicans as well.
So a big money piece Plays a lot of influence in our politics and we have to ... understand once we get rid of that influence once we get ... rid of that money then we can actually have some real ... conversations but at the end of the day these ... representatives aren't representing us they're ... representing a special interest that bought them off ... paid them off and they're going to be doing their bidding ... no matter what.
And there is some infighting, sure, but even before that, there was the Tea Party, there was essence of people saying, this is crazy that we're dealing with these two parties here that are controlling our dialogue, that are controlling our life.
We need to stop this because this is how they fool and kid everyone to vote for the lesser of two evils, while always presenting evil.
And I'm just sick of it.
tim pool
I'm not going to sit here and defend the GOP leadership or their party or anything like that.
I'm only excited for the small faction of like the Freedom Caucus and the people who are actually pushing back.
Obviously, the fact that they've chosen McCarthy and McConnell for leadership, it shows you exactly where this Congress is going to be.
And it's unfortunate.
That's reality.
You're going to get a whole bunch of Republicans saying like, no, no, no, we can't go off investigating Joe Biden because we're going to take the high road and just let him do whatever they want.
Or it's going to be more like, we got to take the high road on this and not investigate.
unidentified
Heaven help me if they find out how I was involved.
michale graves
There definitely are a lot of good people that are making inroads, that have been elected, that are making decisions based on the right things and not that videotape coming out of that trip you made last week or how much money they're going to get or things like that.
They're working for the treasure here on earth.
ian crossland
You think there are people that have actually good intentions and aren't bought off?
michale graves
I think so, sure.
Somebody like Marjorie Taylor Greene, I think, you know... Thomas Massey.
Yeah, sure.
ian crossland
Both independently wealthy, I think, too.
Marjorie already had a successful business when she ran.
tim pool
I think Thomas also... I don't think Thomas Massey's rich.
ian crossland
Okay, I don't know what his sister's situation was.
tim pool
He's got like a farm.
Yeah, he's a... MIT, he built the cluck capacitor.
ian crossland
That's it.
tim pool
Yeah, the chicken thing.
ian crossland
An inventor.
luke rudkowski
My friend has one of those in New Hampshire, Jane Yu, and he's an awesome human being.
Cluck capacitor.
He builds cluck capacitors.
They're incredible.
ian crossland
I said this before on the show, I talked to Thomas Massey after he was on the show last time, and he was like, dude, Congress is, it's like a, I don't know how he exactly described it, he's like, it's like a fraternity, it's like a, not a fraternity, but like, it's like high school.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like people emotionally yelling and like, I'm not gonna talk to that bitch.
You know, like that kind of stuff.
And he's like an engineer scientist and is like, we, this is insane.
We need more science.
We need more engineering.
And he's just like, wow.
But you know, you do it anyway, because you know, you're called to it for whatever reason.
tim pool
But let me ask you guys this.
On a scale of one to 10, how excited are you that Trudeau is not our leader?
We have the story from the Daily Mail.
President Xi humiliates Trudeau as he is caught on camera tearing strips off Canadian PM.
That their conversation at the G20 has been leaked to the papers.
It's not appropriate.
This was the most epic cringe I've seen.
And let's be real.
So in this video, Trudeau is trying to talk to Xi Jinping.
Cameras pop up.
And man, Trudeau looks weak.
It looks like a mouse staring at an elephant.
Xi Jinping won't even look at his face.
That's how little respect he's giving him.
Look, I get it.
Canada's a small nation.
Xi Jinping's probably like, why is this guy thinking he can talk to me?
But talk about humiliating.
I don't know.
Did you guys see this one?
ian crossland
Yeah.
It's definitely an example of a language barrier.
luke rudkowski
Poor Trudeau.
The poor guy.
I mean, he probably had his socks ruffled from this interaction.
That's probably the most confrontation he got in his entire life.
And this is sad for him, mainly because He loves China.
He talked about how he adored China, being able to change the economy on the dime.
He adores what China is doing and is replicating those same policies inside of Canada, of course, imprisoning his protesters, debanking people who dare speak out against him, disarming the local population there, and now, of course, offering euthanasia.
To of course the poor people there and the depressed ... people there who does it what kind of political leader ... does that despotic leaders and when he was looking to see his ... his his his his beautiful Overlord that he wants to ... replicate all of the policies he just got smacked.
down right in the face.
And it was incredible to see the body language there, because it said a lot.
And when Xi told him off, you see you see Trudeau be like, I hope you have peaceful, rational discussions in the future.
And then Xi's like, what?
And then he walks off like Forrest Gump.
It was pathetic.
It was sad.
And it shows you how weak a lot of these individuals are that do create the bad times that we have to live through.
ian crossland
It's kind of like when someone raises a pet alligator.
Some people are like, I'm going to have the most dangerous animals pet.
And then one day the animal grows up and bites him in the leg and like, and they have to euthanize the animal.
And you just see that, like the disbelief and sadness in the owner's face, like.
This can't happen!
This can't happen!
unidentified
Remember when the monkey ate that woman's face?
tim pool
I feel really bad for Trudeau.
I do.
I feel a deep sadness.
It reminds me of that time that, I don't know if this story is true because I'm having trouble finding source on it, but it's Elon Musk was asked about Neil Armstrong criticizing him and Elon cried because, you know, Elon really looked up to Neil Armstrong, had this dream of expanding the space program and all that stuff, and to hear You know, that one of your heroes was mocking or criticizing you.
It must be so brutal for Trudeau to finally get to meet his hero, only to be just poo-pooed and shoot aside.
Must have been truly devastating for the man.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
ian crossland
What was it exactly that happened that caused this conversation?
Did you guys hear, like, something was leaked?
luke rudkowski
It was mad because they were supposed to be having private conversations between them the topics of those conversation was leaked to the Canadian press obviously from Trudeau who didn't keep his word and and promised to keep conversations secret and private between the two so this is also something that Emmanuel Macron did to Vladimir Putin Vladimir Putin was also mad at him.
Because Emmanuel Macron had a documentary film crew recording some of the conversations that they thought was private, that they thought wasn't going to be discussed to the general public, and they were talking very frankly.
And this shows you that Trudeau wasn't a man of his word, wasn't a man of honor, because they agreed.
Hey, what we say here stays between us.
It didn't.
It was leaked to the media by Trudeau.
ian crossland
And then Trudeau's like... Trudeau leaked it!
luke rudkowski
uh... someone in in the to do administration if not to do himself
ian crossland
initially he was like yes not cool i'm i'm paraphrasing was like yeah that's
not cool dude and then true does like we like to have a open dialogue and make sure and she's in
his life buzzer like to turn it walks up with a term of open
dialogue that's not a concept that i'm familiar with no eyes what someone should
tim pool
take that that interview of the on must crying in deep fake
trudeau's face on it and then have the interview ask the question like
you met your hero she's in pain he was critical of your your efforts how does it make you feel and he's
michale graves
like He really cried, huh?
tim pool
Elon?
michale graves
Yeah.
tim pool
So that's the story that I read.
I remember seeing it a while ago.
I mean, I actually, I feel for Elon in that regard.
I guess the story was back in, you know, at the beginning of SpaceX, Neil Armstrong was critical of Elon Musk's attempt at a private space business.
And then sometime later, after Neil Armstrong died, Elon was asked about it.
And Elon, apparently a big hero of his, was Neil Armstrong.
I mean, that's real.
michale graves
That's kind of sad.
Absolutely.
That makes me feel a little sad.
tim pool
I know, me too.
That's a big bummer.
Imagine being a little kid and seeing something so profound as a moon landing and space travel and saying, when I grow up, I'm going to change the world.
And like, you look at what Elon's doing now with SpaceX and how powerful and amazing it is, and Neil Armstrong's never gonna see that because he died 10 years ago.
But leaving this world critical of Elon, that's gotta hurt, man.
So I can understand how Trudeau feels, you know, being shunned like this.
michale graves
Can you imagine the bootlicking that Trudeau's gonna have to do now to get into the good graces of the Chinese king?
ian crossland
Or maybe he'll snap back.
Oh yeah, the other night, Donald Trump, this is last night, referred to Xi Jinping as the king of China, king for life, and Xi Jinping's like, I'm not the king.
He's like, well, you have all the power, you're in for life, so you're basically the king.
He's actually a viceroy.
This is when the emperor would designate someone to become a king for life.
They're actually the viceroy.
They don't have familial, they can't pass the land onto their kid.
Upon death, it goes back to the empire, and then the emperor can designate another viceroy to lead as the king instead.
tim pool
But there's no emperor.
ian crossland
Well, there's the CCP as the party is in control, and there's probably one of them.
It's a bunch of oligarchs, I think.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
I think... I like viceroy.
I wonder if there's a better word, though, because the emperor would determine the viceroy.
The viceroy would die, and they'd choose someone else.
ian crossland
Or not.
Or they would take the land.
unidentified
Right, right.
Or not.
michale graves
So it doesn't have to be a family thing to... Correct.
ian crossland
Anybody.
tim pool
Anyone could become the viceroy.
michale graves
...be a successor.
ian crossland
If there's no emperor... There are no secession rules with viceroys.
tim pool
If there's no emperor, we could say viceroy, but maybe there's a better word for it.
I just don't know.
I mean, maybe there's a better word to describe.
It's not king, but you know, viceroy.
Viceroy Xi.
Call him that.
ian crossland
It's better than president.
tim pool
The thing about president, we talked with the, I think, I can't remember who we had on.
We had some China experts and they said president is the wrong word.
Chairman.
michale graves
Chairman is the correct word.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But then all of a sudden the media started calling him president for some reason.
Because they're trying to normalize it, make it seem like they're trying to equate what he is to our president who's elected.
ian crossland
I heard that they changed the definition of the word president in China to make it so that what he was, and I don't want to get this wrong, did you hear anything about this?
luke rudkowski
Wait, did you say Sith Lord?
ian crossland
Yes, they changed the definition of Sith Lord in China.
They changed the definition of something, this is what I heard about six years ago, so that he could now be literally called the president and it made sense, whereas like 30 years ago the word meant something else.
unidentified
Chairman.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
So just to be clear, in 2013 Trudeau said that he most admires China when asked specifically which country he admires.
He said, quote, there's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say we need to go green, we need to start, you know, investing in solar.
And then he went on and of course saying there is flexibility that I know Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who was Prime Minister at the time, Quote, must dream about having a dictatorship where you can do whatever you wanted.
That I find quite interesting.
That's a direct quote from Justin Trudeau from 2013.
tim pool
And then just about 10 years later, he meets his hero and it's disappointing.
He's probably bawling his eyes out.
ian crossland
With fire, you get burned, you know?
luke rudkowski
And this happened publicly, so you can imagine what happens not publicly.
Because you could see Z and the translator.
The translator even kind of moved out of the way when the cameras were filming so that we could get Trudeau's face in the interaction.
The translator was aware of the camera.
He was like, we need this on tape.
We need the world to see this.
So this is what's happening publicly.
What's happening behind the scenes when the cameras aren't there?
You can only imagine how much more brazen, how much more brutal these politicians are to each other And I wouldn't be surprised if she went up to Chido and just slapped him up a couple times, saying, listen here, boy!
You're gonna do as I say!
And Chido's like, yes, sir, yes, I will, yes, no problem!
And I could actually see that happening.
Again, that's not my own theory.
I could be wrong.
tim pool
I wanted to do a Winnie-the-Pooh joke, but I don't know how many people know the Winnie-the-Pooh meme about Xi Jinping.
ian crossland
I think they actually polled what people thought that he looked like Winnie-the-Pooh, and there were memes of it, and then in China I think they banned Winnie-the-Pooh because... Yeah, right.
luke rudkowski
And then he mentioned it on WeChat, and any photos.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the thing.
ian crossland
He looks happy.
Xi Jinping actually looks like a really happy, friendly guy when I see his face.
unidentified
He does.
ian crossland
I feel like I could laugh it up with him.
michale graves
He does.
He does.
tim pool
The most annoying thing about doing segments on China is that when I'm looking for photos of individuals, You can usually see a range of emotion that represents part of the idea.
So like, if there's a story where it's like, you know, Joe Biden says X and it's like an angry thing, you could find a picture of Joe Biden like giving a finger wave with Xi Jinping.
It's like stone face on every context.
It's just a picture of him and he's just...
Just flat-faced.
Like, dude should play poker.
I'd love to see him play Texas Hold'em.
He should be like, I can't tell what he has.
ian crossland
Putin's similar.
It's probably because he's like ex-KGB.
It's like, do not show any emotion.
michale graves
Yeah.
ian crossland
Your job is to hold all the cards.
michale graves
Yeah, just compartmentalize.
Just keep it all in.
But you're right.
You're right with Xi Jinping.
tim pool
Have you seen the montage someone made where it's all the different handshakes he's given?
And the video is going through every photo really, really fast.
And all the people are flickering and changing, and she is the exact same position the whole time through, like, hundreds of photos.
The way his body is, the way his face is, the way his hand is, like, never changes.
michale graves
Yeah.
ian crossland
Dude's a robot or something.
Well, I bet they practice that with something, because I don't think Joe Biden—he might practice shaking people's hands, but I bet the CCP's choreographed it.
Like, they have, like, meetings, and, like, you learn how to present yourself, and how to stand, and how to be, like, represent tallness next to sluts.
tim pool
Quick correction.
Sorry, sorry, quick correction.
People are saying, Elon didn't cry, he almost cried.
michale graves
He almost cried.
tim pool
I want to make sure we're clear, because I want to say he cried if he didn't.
He teared up, like Rachel Maddow when she found out Trump didn't collude with Russia.
luke rudkowski
What kind of person, you know, cheers on and admires a Chinese dictatorship?
A person like Bill Gates, who also admires the Chinese dictatorship, who previously, just a couple months ago, said that they were doing a great job with their zero sickness policy, and of course also does work business with the Chinese government.
And also, you know, what's it called?
What does he do?
Works officially... the thing when you give someone advice.
michale graves
Consulting.
luke rudkowski
Consulting!
Yeah, sorry, I got a brain fart.
He consults the CCP as well.
tim pool
Speaking of Bill Gates, I want to pull up this tweet that I have, and credit goes to Luke on this one, actually.
I saw Luke tweet this out, so I actually went and checked, and it's true.
The World Government Summit 2022, that's what it's called, has a video titled, Are We Ready for a New World Order?
In it, the host, Becky Anderson, says, Are You Ready for a New World Order?
And this channel, World Government Summit, is verified by YouTube.
And YouTube added a context fact check that says, the New World Order is a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government.
They have that tag on a video that is from the verified channel, World Government Summit.
You can't make this stuff up.
I'm sorry.
Many people are saying we're in a simulation.
We're in a sitcom.
michale graves
What is that called?
Double speak?
Where it's like, you know, you're holding the book.
This ain't a book.
I mean, it's a book, but it's not a book.
All right?
It's the book, but it's not.
tim pool
That's so good.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Two plus two equals five.
Accept your reality as we tell you it is.
Don't you dare question it.
We're building a new world order, but we're not building a new world order.
Because if you say we're building a new world order, you're going to get punished and screwed and demonetized and downranked in the algorithm.
And we're going to make sure no one sees your videos.
tim pool
Fact check.
Fact check.
I have to apologize.
Correction, everyone.
I now recognize why I'm so wrong about this.
The context provided says, a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government.
This is overt, stated, and in your face.
Not a secret.
ian crossland
It's a different New World Order than the public-facing one.
tim pool
Well, no, no, quite simply put, the conspiracy theory is that they're trying to keep it a secret.
No, they're straight up telling you they're doing it!
ian crossland
I almost tweeted at you last night.
I don't normally tweet right at you guys, but I think that what's happening is the global economic system is like, in order to avoid World War III, this is like Sidney's trap, we're going to just transition the new world superpower to become China.
So now they're moving, they're corrupting our economy, they printed us out of a bunch of money.
I think people really don't understand or care about the American Constitution that aren't from here.
Free speech is like, dude, I'm a corporate executive.
You don't have free speech in my corporation.
If we're going to run the world like a corporation, if we have order, we need to stamp down on some of these people that are thinking too freely.
And then there was more to the tweet.
I'll come up with it later.
tim pool
How did we get to this point?
For the longest time, they said, New World Order is a conspiracy theory.
There was that meme.
Shame is over at Freedom Tunes, he did a meme correction video, it's hilarious, where he's talking about the reverse pyramid of conspiracies.
And at the top, in like their anti-Semitic, I think it's in the anti-Semitic point of no return section, this leftist wrote, New World Order is in this conspiracy theory bracket.
And I'm just like, yo, they actually have the World Government Summit.
They're telling you they're doing it.
They're not hiding it.
ian crossland
I think it's when Rockefeller and his buddies... It's not a theory!
Yeah, when they started the Federal Reserve in 1913 on Jekyll Island, they basically were trying to run the world.
They didn't ever want to get their companies broke up again like Standard Oil was by the U.S.
government.
They're like, we're done with this government crap.
And then we had a chance to be like, Federal Reserve's busted.
We're not using it anymore.
Like 2007, Ron Paul was like, Hey, everyone, everyone in the world focus on this.
And we kind of did, but then that was our moment to be like, all right, we're done with it.
We don't need it anymore.
People might've got killed, but we don't need it anymore.
And, uh, we didn't, we didn't do it.
We just sat around, played video.
At least I just sat around, played video games.
I was afraid I was going to get assassinated if I spoke up.
Silly me.
So I just keep my mouth shut and now I'm facing this.
So we have to speak up.
michale graves
Yeah, I think the Great Reset equals the apocalypse.
I think when people think about the end of the world, or when they think about the apocalypse, they think about this great big explosion, then everybody's gone.
And certainly, perhaps, I mean that could be an outcome.
But I think that the Great Reset for us equals the apocalypse.
It's this ushering in of what we're seeing as evil.
We're not building anything.
We're destroying something, or they're destroying something, to rebuild something that we don't recognize, this postmodern, this very pagan, you know, this whole world sort of thing, this new system.
I also, you know, you think about, again, like the Islamic religion, where the apocalypse has to come in order for their savior to come back.
tim pool
I think that's true for Christianity too, right?
Like, there are cultists...
michale graves
Yes, absolutely.
tim pool
They're trying to invoke Revelation.
michale graves
Absolutely, sure.
In some corners of Christianity, yes, you want to sort of root for the apocalypse for our Savior to come back.
But it's just, everything trends towards destruction.
We're not building anything.
You know, we were just talking about Trudeau and what was in the news today about... I forget what the acronym for it is.
It's like government assisted death or something.
tim pool
MADE.
Yeah, it's called MADE.
What is that?
Medically assisted...
michale graves
Something dying, yeah.
tim pool
Induced death or something like that?
michale graves
It's an awful, awful thing.
ian crossland
Medical assistance in dying?
M.A.D.?
michale graves
Like, that's the solution?
tim pool
There are people who are in pain, people who are... Because Canada's doing this, I think.
And there are people posting on Tumblr and forums saying, as soon as I'm 18, I'm getting it right away.
michale graves
Yeah, the pod just shows up at your house.
tim pool
It's like Futurama, man.
Bender, you walk in with the coin and suicide booth.
luke rudkowski
The New World Order, it's not a conspiracy.
It's something that we're going through right now.
It's a buzzword used by many powerful people as a way to try to centralize more power, money, and authority for themselves.
It's been talked about for a very long time, predominantly from the David Rockefellers of the world and other very powerful individuals.
David Rockefeller, in his own autobiography, by the way, said, quote, This is his own words in his own book that I actually ... confronted him with one-on-one face-to-face he said quote ... some even believe we the Rockefeller family are a part ... of a secret Cabal working against the best interest of ... the United States characterizing my family and ... me as internationalist and conspiring with others around ... the world to build a more integrated global political ... and economic structure one world if you will if that's the ... charge I stand guilty and I am proud of it.
David Rockefeller, his own autobiography.
I asked him about it.
I went up face-to-face and I was like, you still believe in this?
Let's talk about this.
He, of course, you know, freaked out.
tim pool
I assume he said yes.
luke rudkowski
But there's many of these comments throughout history.
tim pool
So let me ask this.
Why is it that Rockefeller writes that in his book?
That George H.W.
Bush said, we're beginning to see a new world order.
And they're specifically saying, A world order and a new one.
There's the liberal economic order and they're talking about launching a new one.
This is overt.
I think the Council on Foreign Relations was it?
The website has it discussing the liberal economic order.
Why then does the media, YouTube, Wikipedia, all come out and say it's a lie and a conspiracy when they're telling us they're doing it?
ian crossland
I think it's because that people are afraid we will establish a new world order with American constitutionalism and that could be upending Klaus's dream.
Basically, the liberal economic order is over.
It's done.
It's ending.
We need to pull a George Washington.
socially, where we say, we give the power away.
We give it back to the people because we trust the world and we trust humanity.
luke rudkowski
To answer your question, Tim, it's to demoralize people.
It's to show them that we're going to overtly have these plans.
We're going to talk about them, but you can't talk about them because we're more powerful than you are.
And this is a part of the larger kind of psyops that's being played here with these mind games.
This is essentially a mind game saying, I could do what I want.
I could say what I want.
You can't.
That right there is showing the true power of what the New World Order is in its essence, this kind of larger hypocrisy and abuse of power as they're using it to gain more power for themselves.
tim pool
I want to stress this point.
Do not think of the phrase New World Order as a proper noun.
And that's what a lot of people do.
They think of new world order as like a proper noun.
No, no, no, no.
It is break each word down to their root meanings and that's actually what the phrase is.
There is the liberal world order or liberal economic order.
Ian's brought it up many, many times.
We've pulled it up, the website from, I think it's CFR.
Is that the Council on Foreign Relations?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and there's also the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group.
They're all coalescing with each other and they all talk about the same thing, building a new world order.
tim pool
And they have websites published on this, NewsGuard certified.
And when they say new world order, what they're saying is, we're currently in the liberal world order.
Now we need a new version of the liberal world order.
A world order that is new.
The new world order doesn't specifically refer to anything other than they want a global system of control.
It's not a secret.
They've said it over and over and over again.
Perhaps they're arguing the conspiracy is that people believe weird things about it.
I don't know, whatever.
But they're doing it, and they're having summits called the World Government Summit.
It's verified by YouTube!
So there you go.
luke rudkowski
And at the end of the day, what they're calling for is more centralization, more bureaucracy, more power being held in fewer hands.
Which, of course, is always ripe for abuse.
Whenever we have fewer and fewer individuals of more people, of more land, of more things that they could conquer and subject, this is essentially a form of domination.
And that's exactly why there's so much mind games to this, where you can't talk about this, but they can.
ian crossland
You know, we need freedom, and I think part of this mad dash towards global governance is because Antarctica's about to become melted and a big, giant continent that people are going to try and colonize.
And when they do, there will be a global war of China and America and Russia all trying to take it at once.
It could destroy the Earth.
unidentified
Maybe.
ian crossland
So they're trying to say, no, only one of you is going to get it, I think.
tim pool
Before Antarctica becomes available for player use, the last update patch in the simulation has to occur. So that's the final story
arc, which is going to be probably Trump 3,
you know, A New Hope or whatever you want to call it. And then
we're going to get the expansion pack, Earth Simulation 2, the Antarctic Campaign. Well, you can only rent the
ian crossland
expansion pack, you never actually own it.
tim pool
Yeah, you'll license it, and then you can create new characters
starting in the Antarctica continent.
Really excited for this, plus the new skill sets that are being released.
I hear that journalists will get the ability to communicate via Neuralink in the latest expansion.
ian crossland
I like freedom, man.
I don't like the idea that cops are on the street corners watching you whenever you walk around.
I don't want it.
If you don't want it, then join me.
luke rudkowski
Now imagine the crazy insanity that you'll have to deal with when everything's online and they have control of what you see and what you say and what they don't say and what they do to you and what can you call on and can't call out.
But as you said, Tim, the CFR website officially says we're calling for global governance and they have an article on their website, what is the liberal world order?
And they go on and explain, hey, we need everything in the hands of all these private international corporations and banks, and we need less representation, we need less people being able to decide their own lives, and we need that decided by central controllers.
tim pool
I always like pulling up this article from world101.cfr.org, what is the liberal world order?
Because it is NewsGuard certified, 100 out of 100.
And it's like, how do you get that rating?
And especially, like, CFR?
They're not a news organization.
Why are they rated a hundred out of a hundred?
Sure, whatever.
But liberal world order, it's on their website.
They say, after World War II, the deadliest conflict in human history, countries sought to ensure the world never again would devolve into horrific violence.
Blah, blah, blah.
Here's why we did it.
Here's what we're doing.
So when they say we want a new world order, they're saying to advance beyond their old liberal world order.
ian crossland
When did that article come out?
Because it sounds like something I wrote.
luke rudkowski
They've been talking about it for a very long time, ever since Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller helped fund and start the Council on Foreign Relations, and they're a quasi-private, not private club.
They have some public meetings, but in private they also have big members of the corporate media.
They have a lot of politicians, even weird politicians like Tulsi Gabbard and other, of course, mainline big politicians that are a part of their meetings.
They meet in secret and also talk about and decide policy.
unidentified
Let's jump to this next story, actually.
tim pool
And Luke, I want to throw this one to you if you want to talk about this.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean, this is a little bit more... I mean, this story, I don't even know where to begin, to be honest with you, because there's a lot of emotions here, but you can start.
tim pool
So, Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine claimed Russian missiles hit Poland and then immediately started ramping up, calling for reciprocation, calling for more aid and more military, directly blaming Russia before too much was known.
Now, you know, fair point, this was AP reporting it because a U.S.
official said so.
For a world leader to then call for an escalation of war and try and drag us into World War III is horrifying.
Now we even have NATO countries saying, like, yo, this dude's kind of losing it.
So, maybe it won't be a new world order.
Maybe it will be Ukraine sparking World War III, our foolishness, NATO, joining in the fight, getting into a war with Russia, nukes get fired.
But, uh, some people have pointed something out interesting.
So some missiles hit Poland, right?
Initially it was reported that they were Russian.
Everybody loses their minds.
Some people said it was a false flag.
Some people are now saying it was a false flag done so poorly that not even NATO could pretend it was actually Russian missiles.
But if it was Ukrainian missiles that struck Poland, then do we invoke Article 5 against Ukraine?
ian crossland
I thought that too.
It's up to Poland, I guess.
tim pool
Poland's like, we declare war on Ukraine!
Good, let's stop giving them money at the very least!
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean, this is just such a crazy situation that could have escalated so fast, and thank goodness it didn't.
I mean, I'm from Poland.
I love my country.
I don't want to see war.
It's already horrible that there's war in Ukraine, that so many people have to suffer through this nonsense, and to have people try to escalate this conflict, trying to get other countries involved in this conflict, Trying to expand this proxy war between the east and the west is extremely reckless.
It's extremely dangerous.
There's an article that I just tweeted on my Twitter page from the Independent talking about how Zelensky is certain that this blast in Poland came from a Russian enemy missiles.
Again no one was certain no one knew what was going on here but of course the corporate media didn't wait MSNBC was talking about retaliation immediately I have an article here pulled up by the Daily Mail saying the West plots their response against Russia.
And again we don't know exactly what happened here as right now the president of the United States the president of Poland the head of NATO are coming out and saying.
It actually wasn't a Russian missile it was most likely a missile that was provided to Ukraine by the West in order to act like a defense system that could have accidentally or purposefully depending on what you believe here could have been a potential false flag could have not been a flag could have been a real legit accident here but with Zelensky's comments here it really makes you wonder because they were aggressive they were hyperbolic and they're extremely dangerous Not only to the people of Ukraine, but the people of Poland, the people of the world, and this situation is reckless and needs to stop immediately.
tim pool
We have this article from the Daily Mail.
Zelensky insists missile that hit Poland was Russian despite NATO, US, and even Polish president saying it was a Ukrainian air defense misfire, but all agree Putin to blame for nearly sparking World War III.
Oh, how about that, huh?
luke rudkowski
Putin did start the war and we have to understand here his major calling card throughout all of this is like it's him specifically saying there's going to be a new world order we want Russia to be a part of this new world order so that's one of his major stances that he's always been making as he's been calling out the West here but this proxy war is again reckless.
Stupid dangerous and and the corporate media ... organizations that spread fake news automatically after ... this didn't offer any retractions didn't have any ... edit statements didn't have any corrections on their ... articles the AP literally just change their article from ... Russia attacks Poland to something else I'm I'm I'm I'm ... some icing here I'm not exactly saying the exact ... titles here but you get the drift of what I'm trying to ... say here that they were normally spreading dangerous ... fake news that could have started a global war and I ...
When you don't know what happened, you can't automatically jump to conclusions and state it as fact.
tim pool
That's what they did.
michale graves
When the stakes are as high as they are.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And that's exactly what they did.
They said, automatically, this is it.
We don't know what happened here.
And you see how thirsty these people are for a global conflict, which should be prevented at all costs here.
Another thing to really consider here is the fact that You know, governments and militaries make mistakes all the time, and it could just be a dumb soldier.
It could be an accident.
It could be a miscalculation, and boom, we have World War III.
This is why this conflict needs to be de-escalated, needs to be stopped.
People need to come to the table, sit down, and negotiate a peace deal immediately now, before it's too late.
michale graves
I agree.
I agree that Again, the stakes really are so high with all of this and it's become just sort of passive like something else happened today.
You know, it's just a headline.
But meanwhile, Literally, the whole world is at stake with nuclear war and it's right on our doorstep.
And again, as I was saying before about this trend towards destroying everything, why aren't we trying Why aren't we investing 60 billion dollars or whatever it is in peacekeeping efforts?
We're trying to keep the peace and just stopping all of this.
Whoever's dying on both sides, it's just awful.
Again, it's the energy that's being created there is sadness and destruction and just awfulness that projects out into the world and beyond in a different realm and it just makes everything sour and leads us towards I wish it were as easy as to just say, you know, we shouldn't have war.
tim pool
But the challenge, I guess, is when you see some of the things that we've seen with ISIS, for instance, and they're not stopping and they're expanding and the caliphate was growing and growing and growing, at a certain point it's like you can cross your fingers and hope for peace all you want, but dangerous people Start pushing and doing crazy stuff.
Now, I'm not arguing the U.S.
should have intervened in the Middle East in the first place.
I think U.S.
intervention caused the rise of ISIS.
But I use this as an example of, what do you do when you see a country expand?
Like, China's expanding dramatically in the South China Sea.
We can sit back and just be like, you know, let's just keep the peace and hope nothing happens, but they keep expanding.
The same thing is true, and look, here's the issue.
NATO's doing the exact same thing.
So, I'm not saying there's any good guys here, but if you're trying to be noble and honorable and just say, I'm gonna do everything I can to keep the peace, but the person across from you is just cheating, lying, and stealing, at a certain point it comes to blows.
michale graves
I understand that war is certainly a part of our existence in this space and in this realm, but I do not believe, in this instance, that war is...
Could have been averted, or it should be averted.
I don't understand why everybody, our administration, our country, leans into these sort of things.
The anti-war effort, where is everybody that was so upset about war when it was happening in Iraq and Afghanistan?
ian crossland
Yeah, 2014, right after the Crimea annexation is when it kicked back up, all this anti-Russian stuff.
tim pool
Well, so I'll give you the gist, I suppose, and this is coming from somebody with no clearance, so I have no idea, but I do know that the U.S.
wants control of Ukraine, Western forces, NATO, because Russia controls a large percentage of natural gas flowing into Europe, which means that the economy of Europe is staggered by Russia.
So, the U.S.
basically wants to take control of Ukraine, control the valves of natural gas into Europe, and then put the pressure back on Russia.
Russia refuses.
War happens.
So, I suppose you can argue NATO should not have been expanding the way it was.
And we'd avoid war.
And high gas prices is better than war.
michale graves
I think that's a part of it.
luke rudkowski
But we wouldn't have high gas prices.
We would have lower gas prices if we had just better relations with other countries and more free trade.
tim pool
In the market, Russia was charging a lot.
And so, Western forces tried to build a pipeline through Syria, through Turkey, into Europe to compete with Russia, but Syria wouldn't allow it.
Surprise, surprise!
Syria destabilizes, how fortunate.
And, like, the point is, it's not just about the cost of the gas.
It's about how much energy are we getting.
So, they say the EU was formed explicitly to unify Europe against the growing threat of China.
And they need gas, not so much just cheap, but they need more so that they can expand their economy, grow, and be able to compete with a growing Chinese economy.
Russia was causing problems in that regard because Russia tacitly works with China, so the U.S.
was like, we're not going after China first, Russia's the weak target, and went after them.
Donald Trump was right when he was like, China is the bigger threat, and they freak out because they're like, yeah, but we want to go after Russia first.
So, look, I don't like any of it.
I don't think any of it's justified.
I think it's a bunch of paranoia, and I understand the arguments people make about the fear of a multipolar world where you could potentially get World War III.
But this is what it boils down to.
The liberal world order people do not want Russia and China to gain enough power to compete with their new world order, their liberal world order, because they fear World War III would happen if that was the case.
So they will do everything they can to dominate and crush their opponents by any means to maintain dominance, because they think if we're not in charge, war happens.
ian crossland
This is what gets me, though.
The liberal economic order, the best thing for that, if they really want that to succeed, is to have an alliance with Russia.
Russia's in the center of the world, essentially, if you're looking at China and the United States and Europe and all that.
Russia's right there.
Whichever side Russia goes to is going to gain 60% more, like, they're going to gain so much power.
There's so much land that's hard to travel that is like, if you can put troops in Russia, you're good to go on a conflict.
So why would they?
antagonize.
luke rudkowski
So that makes me think that people... Russia has the GDP of Italy, okay?
ian crossland
But they also control a lot of oil.
luke rudkowski
People need to understand the context here.
ian crossland
They control oil, and if they shut off the oil, it's not just about how much they're charging, it's about, are they even going to give it to you at all?
luke rudkowski
But the more oil we have on the market, the cheaper the oil is.
Now deliberately denying the oil makes the price of oil go up even more than it automatically would.
Even if Russia was price hiking it, they would still have to compete with other markets.
But right now, the price of oil has gone up so much, Mainly because of this proxy war, this proxy conflict.
ian crossland
What gets me is, I think that people are manipulating the liberal economic order to go to war with Russia, to lose its power, and so that they can be like, well, see, it didn't work out, kind of thing.
And there are people in the liberal economic order that are like, they think they're doing the right thing.
They think that they're preserving democracy and making freedom, but what's really happening is they're antagonizing one of their potentially greatest allies.
tim pool
All of this may be depressing, so let me get into the good news.
The good news, the white pill.
I want you all to feel much better with this report.
CNN head Chris Licht admits layoffs on the horizon as anxious staffers grill him during town hall.
Huge nerves.
Oh no, CNN's gonna be laying off more people, guys.
Uh-oh, what's this story?
From Deadline, Vice Media cuts around 2% of digital news and publishing staff as part of latest consolidation efforts.
That's what they call it.
Consolidation.
I call it the end of the old guard.
Vice was supposed to be the edgy new media, but they went woke so fast.
Now CNN is crumbling down, and I want to stress this as it pertains mostly to CNN.
Donald Trump has announced he's running for president.
CNN has been brought to heel, is in shambles.
Twitter is under the control of Elon Musk.
It's going to be a Donald Trump rematch, but without the establishment cultural powers at the level they were in the past several election cycles.
So, should be interesting, to say the least.
But I know Luke is the most sad about CNN's layoffs.
luke rudkowski
I know, I need a violin here to reel in this moment here.
I can't believe, you know, we can't have so much greatness.
Where else are we going to get the memes from?
Where else are we going to get all the inspiration from?
tim pool
Whoa, hold on there.
That's actually true.
luke rudkowski
I know!
You weren't kidding.
tim pool
We need the opposition.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
If there's no CNN.
luke rudkowski
We need the hacks.
We're not the hacks.
I mean, what are we going to do?
tim pool
I guess I can make memes about Luke.
ian crossland
You can make memes about me.
tim pool
He'll be the only one else in media.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'll play the antagonistic idiot for you.
tim pool
But the narrative machine is breaking.
At a time when we're going to see Donald Trump come back, the narrative machine is going full swing.
They're saying he's a drag on the party.
He's not.
They're saying there was no red wave.
There was.
And they're trying to blame Donald Trump and say he's gotta go, when in reality what happens is media manipulation and ballot harvesting.
And I'll stress this point, too.
There was a red wave.
Five million more Republican votes than Democrat votes.
Sorry, that's just a reality.
Just because it wasn't in the right places doesn't mean that there was no red wave.
But I get it.
If you're arguing red wave meant a wave of victories across the country, agreed.
If you're arguing that Republicans turned out in massive numbers, then they did.
It just didn't hit the places that mattered most.
luke rudkowski
Did you see how the New York Post covered Trump's announcement?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
luke rudkowski
They put it on page 26 and their title was Florida Man Makes Announcement.
That's how they covered Donald Trump.
tim pool
They're all terrified of this man.
They're saying, look, at the same time... The New York Post.
luke rudkowski
New York Post, I mean, they're the ones that broke the Hunter Biden story.
tim pool
Sure, sure, sure.
But at the same time that these media outlets are claiming Donald Trump is done and it's over, they're also claiming he's a dangerous insurrectionist who must be stopped at all costs.
We get it.
I see you.
They're terrified.
And they're just... Here's what happened.
The first time around, CNN and these other woke outlets went for the, Trump is evil, Trump is evil, everybody stop, stop, stop.
Well, all that did was embolden Trump.
Now they're trying to play it cool.
Trump?
He's so six years ago, he's not cool.
You like Trump?
Here's all I am.
That's not gonna work either.
When Trump gets on stage and then starts going after these people, calling them out, people are gonna laugh at it.
michale graves
I think that even though we see CNN, MSNBC, these different outlets sort of sizing down, as long as they can still get their message out, and there's little competition against that message, then mission accomplished.
Because they can put out a narrative, they can put out a story, they can put out some sort of spin, and then go on all the socials, Where there's a lot of conservatives and people that are no longer allowed to voice back and so therefore their narrative, their lies, their truth, depending on how you look at it, is able to take root in that way.
And you know I don't see these like CNN actually making a pivot towards let's actually Tell the truth.
I mean maybe now every now and again just for Just just for fun.
They will or maybe just water it down So it's kind of like Fox News where you're kind of thinking you're watching the right, you know the the the actual news, but you're not Yeah, it's going to be interesting.
luke rudkowski
I just want to make a really quick point because there is some rumors that CNN viewership did go up during the Trump announcement.
And if you look at CNN's viewership, it's pretty much reliant on Donald Trump.
So now, will the corporate media get a revival from Trump?
Or will they ignore him?
How will this play out?
I don't know.
michale graves
2,430,000 views.
CNN, as compared to 5,157,000 on Fox, as compared to... For last night?
Yeah, for the Trump speech.
luke rudkowski
These are last night ratings.
michale graves
Yes, 1,127,000 for Newsmax.
ian crossland
And this is, CNN's owned by Warner Brothers Discovery.
So it's, I think at this point, which is owned by BlackRock, State Street, you know, international marketing firms and investment firms.
And I think that they're using it as like a form of impact investment at this point, the CNN News brand.
They're just going to use it to spread their ideology and let the company be damned.
Like, they'll let it go under and dissipate.
They got bought out, you know, I don't know when.
Oh, this year.
Warner Brothers bought them this year.
luke rudkowski
This is going to be interesting.
Do you see Trump giving a revival to the media?
Press 1 in the chat.
Press 2 if you don't see that happening, because I'm curious what the people think out there.
Because I don't know.
It could go either way here.
tim pool
So this is, uh, what is it?
Last night, CNN had a total of 2.43 million viewers at 9 p.m.
Hannity had 5.157.
Wagner on MSNBC had 1.8.
Uh, so let's do this.
Let's go back.
And then we'll take a look at, uh, if Adweek loads.
I don't know if the website ever loads.
Monday, to see what their ratings are.
Maybe it won't, won't actually allow us to see it.
We'll see what happens, but I'd love to compare.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of ones in the chat.
tim pool
A lot of people... Take a look at this.
The, the, the views were double.
The day before, the views were half for Hannity and for CNN.
So I have a feeling that CNN is going to lean back into Trump stuff.
ian crossland
But I don't know if ratings is what's going to sell for them.
I think that they're using it as impact investment.
They're looking at it as a loss.
They don't want money out of it.
They just want to change people's minds to get them to support the New World Order.
luke rudkowski
So just really quickly, when the news came about that missile strike in Poland, I automatically had social media up, but just to be aware of everything, I was like, let me just turn on the TV, see what they're saying.
And I went on Fox, and on Fox, during this key important breaking news moment, they had an anchor celebrating his own birthday, talking about his achievements, right?
I went on MSNBC, and they were talking about, we need retribution, we need to act right now!
And then I went on to CNN, and they were talking about, can you guess?
Donald Trump and January 6 during this key moment, and they weren't breaking the news.
They weren't talking about what was happening in Ukraine, in Europe, with Russia, with this larger war at the G20.
They were talking about Trump and January 6.
And I'm like, really?
This is what I'm tuning into?
This is insane.
I get more reliable news on Twitter than I do, of course, the corporate media.
ian crossland
I'm also looking at these layoffs that I've been noticing in the last week.
Amazon is about to lay off 10,000 employees.
tim pool
And that'll laid off 11,000.
ian crossland
11,000.
Twitter.
Twitter.
tim pool
Laid off half their staff, which is a slightly different situation.
ian crossland
Bro, the end is nigh.
Well, it's a shrinkage of the economy right now because of what we did for the COVID money
print scam or scheme, whatever you want to call it.
And now we're starting to see like 10,000 people.
What in the heck?
That's a lot of layoffs.
There was a bunch of corporate layoffs.
Were you guys following all these corporate layoffs over the last week?
tim pool
Well, I mean, CNN and Vice.
ian crossland
CNN and Vice.
What else is there?
tim pool
Amazon.
ian crossland
of a meta. Oh, you know what I really want to know about?
This is a little off topic, but Larry and Sergey, the guys that created Google and now Alphabet, where are they?
What are they doing?
They are in control of the world's largest media apparatus ever created.
And they were supposedly free speech advocates, but are they just gone full technocrat?
Like, where are they?
tim pool
Full technocrat, probably.
ian crossland
Living on an island somewhere in the largest giant mansion ever created with a smart home and they're just like, whatever.
tim pool
I like to imagine that the rich people built a city underwater, called Rapture, and they're all experimenting with gene editing technologies.
ian crossland
We need you dudes, you guys, you bought YouTube, man, you know.
tim pool
Yeah, but Ian, they've been down in this underwater city for so long and the gene splicing has mutated people and the society collapsed, so.
michale graves
They're living in the shower.
luke rudkowski
Isn't that a video game?
tim pool
That Bioshock is one of the best games ever.
Yeah, it's a video game.
But the general idea is, um, Galt's Gulch.
The powerful elites basically leave, let the system rot because it's gone astray and people want stupid things.
And then the people who are productive dip out.
I don't blame them.
We talked about this the other day when we talked about the exodus from cities.
Think about all of the people who fled New York or California because of the COVID policies or whatever.
That's a brain drain on these places.
The most productive people are moving to Texas and Florida.
Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Texas.
So they're going to bring all of that enterprise and ingenuity into these other states.
The economy of those states is going to skyrocket.
It's going to create this new, I don't know what you'd call it, but effectively like a business rush.
There's going to be new opportunities, new money, new inventions, new tech.
And these other blue states are going to turn into wastelands.
They've lost their top talent.
luke rudkowski
Where are you, Michael?
And where do you see things going financially as well?
michale graves
Well, obviously there's a massive contraction happening.
I was just out for the past month and a half all across the country, all over really.
And you see it everywhere, the hurt, the economic hurt, whether it's gas prices or people just going to the supermarkets.
I don't see us going in a good direction economically because of the system and because of what we're not doing.
As well as the things that we're doing.
I don't have a positive outlook on the economy.
Unless, and I know that that's what we, everybody's trying to do, is get people into these positions of power that can then create a system and make the changes that we need to make so that The economy does work for everyone because I think the way to peace and prosperity and happiness and joy and good things is when people are happy and productive and they're doing things and, you know, pursuing happiness, pursuing the things that they want to pursue.
When you have people that are trying to figure out, how am I going to feed my kids?
How am I going to keep the lights on?
It's going to get cold in the winter.
Wonder how I'm going to heat my house.
That really takes away from the things in life individually and collectively that then
create a society where we can start to gain those levels in the simulation and get higher up in
this instead of everything burning up and breaking down. Let's talk about
tim pool
the cultural stuff.
So watching CNN and these other outlets fall apart is good because they're narrative machines, but one of the most important things that's often overlooked by the right, conservatives, libertarians, or whatever, is creating culture that inspires young people.
So right now with you here, we have a lot of people chatting how they're huge fans of the Misfits, but you're also here challenging the establishment.
I'm curious your thoughts on how do we create an anti-establishment cultural apparatus, and more importantly, how is it that so many anti-establishment musicians just flipped and went full pro-war, pro-lockdown?
That blew my mind.
How did that happen?
michale graves
I think that, and it's not just because I'm here, I think that you and your team and everybody here is the perfect example of what needs to be built for this parallel economy or these parallel structures that will push, that will build what needs to be built.
Not only do you do this sort of thing and have conversations about all this, but you're creating shows and music and entertainment, all these different things, and intention has a lot to do with that.
Your energy and where your perspectives and your friends and your colleagues, where they're coming from, they're coming from a good place, and so that resonates.
Um, you know, so I think that that's that's that's a good thing when we see these CNN or MSNBC when we see the viewership going down and these companies starting to shrink in size.
That's a good thing because we can fill that vacuum or we need to fill that vacuum with these things out that we're building.
tim pool
Well, so so one of the reasons.
We here at TimCast.com, Become a Member, are focusing on cultural investments like Pop Culture Crisis is a show very similar to this format hosted by Brett Dasovic and Mary Morgan, but it's pop culture.
Because we were like, not everybody likes politics.
We want to create a show where we can build influence in other areas.
Tales from the Inverted World is Huntress Thompson meets the X-Files, and of course we're doing music, we've got some skateboarding and rollerblading and scooting plans.
We're doing this though mostly because I'm looking at, you know, like some of the bands that I grew up listening to that were basically saying, F the Machine, are now saying, Yay the Machine.
michale graves
Yes.
tim pool
Like, how did that happen?
michale graves
Well, I think a lot of that comes with ignorance.
I think a lot of that also comes with people like us, and I hate saying that, but people that It takes a certain person to say, maybe I'm wrong.
Like I'm going to take this position about whatever.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Let me go see if I'm wrong and then spend time Finding out if you're wrong and recalibrating your position if it needs to be.
Because doing that, you gain knowledge, you're able to articulate your position, you know what you know and why you know it.
And not just, well, you know, because Gender Queer Book told me that and so therefore that's the way that I feel.
But in order to do that, I think that there's certain, you know, morals and integrity that needs to be built into someone.
And that goes into a whole conversation about parenting and everything.
But, you know, with the musicians in the entertainment industry, a lot of it certainly is ignorance.
But also, I think that there's some people that perhaps they might... I know that there's some people out there that know what the truth is and know what is kind of going on.
But there's fear and there's selfishness involved in it because they don't want to lose anything.
They don't want to lose their contract.
They don't want people saying bad things about them on their Facebook.
Oh God forbid they lose their Facebook.
What would they do?
Oh my God!
And so they just go along to get along.
Regardless of what their heart is saying, you know, the believers believe, you know, when you have the Holy Spirit inside and you have that discernment, that at some point if you continue, if you just keep rejecting that, your heart hardens and then you don't hear that anymore.
And so you're able to just go full-on to, you know, any port you want.
And so there's a lot of that in the entertainment industry.
There's a lot of that in the music industry because everybody wants to be popular and loved and be that person and have the lights on them.
That's what it's about and will take any route they need to to get there and hold on to it.
Same thing in politicians.
No leaders.
It's power.
You want that power.
It's difficult to take a position and find yourself completely alone, or to feel alone.
tim pool
If these bands...
Shout out to The Offspring for firing their drummer because he was unable to get vaccinated due to medical condition.
If bands like that stood up and said, sorry guys, all of our shows are being cancelled.
To all of our fans who spent all this money, we are unfortunately unable to do the show because the venues won't allow our drummer in.
What do you think would happen when 5 million ticket holders call Ticketmaster all at the same time?
Ticketmaster is going to be like, why is our system breaking down?
They're going to contact the venues and be like, what are you doing?
Why are these shows getting canceled?
And they're going to say, well, we told the offspring they weren't allowed to have their drummer in the building.
unidentified
What are you?
tim pool
Well, we have a contract.
Well, well, the government passed a law.
Then everyone's going to start calling up the local governments.
What are you doing?
We got five million canceled.
Contracts are falling apart.
If one band just said, we will cancel every show, it would cause a chain reaction that would make it all the way to the point where large lobbyists and investors would be standing at the desk of the mayor of New York saying, I will destroy you politically unless you fix this problem.
And they'll be like, okay, okay, we'll rescind this.
But no.
The whiny, pathetic establishment loses the offspring said, how about we just fire our drummer of 17 years?
Our families have hung out together.
Screw him!
I'd rather make money and fire him!
These people are fucking pathetic.
Okay, now I'm swearing.
ian crossland
You're right, though.
I mean, at least that was a pathetic move.
I don't want to judge their personalities because I don't know them, but I think it was a weak move, if anything.
tim pool
They have so much power to control culture.
I've said this about a lot of things.
michale graves
I agree with you.
I agree.
tim pool
Patreon.
They banned this guy, Robert Spencer.
He's an Islamic scholar and he's controversial, I guess.
I'm not sure.
Not Richard Spencer.
Robert Spencer.
Different guy.
And the reason was, MasterCard made us do it.
If we didn't ban him, then we'd have to shut the whole site down.
And I'm like, I dare you.
MasterCard, I dare you to have the hundred million plus subscriptions on this site Disappear and have each and every one of those people calling you on the phone asking you why you did it.
But no one has the balls to actually be like, I'll go for it.
Let's see what happens.
ian crossland
There were some performers that would refuse to play.
Did Dave Chappelle do that?
Was he like, I'm not performing if you're gonna have a vax mandate?
Was he one of those guys?
I know Chrissy Mayer wouldn't perform.
Not that she's at Dave Chappelle's fame yet.
tim pool
I think Crowder and Rubin were explicit I'm not sure, uh, they said they moved venues.
I think it was Ruben, specifically, was like, we won't do a show here and moved it.
I'm not sure, maybe it wasn't Ruben.
michale graves
Yeah.
tim pool
But, um, look, I like Joe Rogan, but even he said, here's what we'll do.
I'll give you a refund if you didn't want, if you didn't know that they were doing these rules.
And perhaps the argument is that there were contracts that locked Joe in, and if he canceled, it could have caused him major damage or something like that.
michale graves
But it's just like... But that's... I understand that there's a lot at stake when you take these positions.
However, I agree with you that if some... like Offspring or some of these larger acts... I mean, I didn't play the Whiskey A Go-Go.
For that reason, because they had a vaccine mandate in the city at the time, and I said that I didn't want to play to a segregated audience, nor did I want someone to make a decision, a medical decision like that, to come see me.
That's crazy.
And so I just said, I'm not going to do it.
When things are different, I'll go back.
And I did.
I just played there a couple weeks ago.
unidentified
Cool.
michale graves
I wish I had that power to, you know, like the Offspring and some of these other bands, where if they just stood up and said, we already have so much, and all of their fans would, not all of them, but a lot of the fans would get behind them, or at least say, Well, what do you mean?
And then you can have the larger conversation, and that would then put that pressure on the record companies, on the management companies, on the lawyers, and all of the system that is the industry that pushes back on these things.
tim pool
Let me tell you, let's go back to that earlier segment where I was making fun of Trudeau, meeting his hero.
and uh... the ilan musk thing where you almost cried when told about neil
armstrong the first album ever bought was americana by the offspring the first
tab book i ever got was americana by the offspring the second was it's now on the
armory by the offspring followed by the tab book for ex man the armory
and then of course there's ignition then that then i said wow i better go back even further i
got there uh...
smash was obvious right so you're a fan yeah this was the first that this was the band that got me
into music This was the band that, at the time, all we had was pop.
So whatever was on the radio was what it was.
I didn't even know the names of these bands, and then my friend said, listen to this, and handed me an Americana CD, and I learned all the songs, and I still have them on my playlist.
I love all of their 90s stuff, and some of their 2000s stuff, and I even like a lot of their later stuff.
And then, what a letdown.
For them to be at a point where, I think Dexter sold the catalog for like 30 million or whatever, to be so rich, you want for nothing, and then to look into the eyes of someone who's been there for you for 17 years, their drummer, and say, get out.
Because that's the dirtiest, most vile, inhuman, It's cold, man.
Not only that, they could have actually just been like, bro, they're not going to let you in the building.
I'm sorry, but don't worry.
We will get someone to play with us, but we're not going to let you down.
You're good.
And we'll do studio stuff with you.
And that's still, in my opinion, not the strongest thing they could have done.
But I'd still be like, I get it.
I get it.
You know, the fans want a show.
You don't want to let them down, but you're not going to leave someone hanging.
Instead, they were just like, later, bro.
And the crazy thing about this whole story is that Pete Pirata is the drummer.
He's awesome.
He's done work with us.
His doctor was like, I recommend against this because of the potential medical condition you have.
And he goes, okay.
And then they're like, get out.
It's dirt.
luke rudkowski
And if he would have listened to them, he could have got seriously hurt or could have died.
But they still wanted to force him to do that, to stay in the band.
That is cruel.
That is absolutely evil.
Jim Brewer, I think, did it the right way.
Whenever people were discriminating against somebody, whenever a venue had a VAX mandate and were segregating people based on government compliance, he said, no, I'm not going to be performing here.
I'm only going to be performing at places that don't discriminate against bodily autonomy, against individuals deciding their own pathways, their own life.
So shouts out to Jim Brewer.
He was a real one.
We should get him on the show.
He does incredible work and I love his work anyway.
tim pool
He's a funny guy.
luke rudkowski
He's a leader, man.
ian crossland
That guy's... Jim, you are awesome.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Jim's incredible.
Shout out to Jim, because as much as we criticize these horrible people, we got to shout out the good people and promote them and all the good stuff that they do as well.
michale graves
Yeah, Brewer's tremendous.
He's got a great heart.
He's a family man.
He's great and absolutely has taken the right path in all this and obviously has a hilarious perspective on it that he puts in his routines.
But You would think certainly that somebody like Pete, you know who played with these guys came up with these guys There's a brotherhood when you're on tour with somebody and you know, you're in a band like that Maybe it was 14 years.
tim pool
I don't know.
Was it 14 or 17?
Maybe it was 14.
unidentified
That's a long That's a long long time a big difference a long time.
michale graves
It's not just being on tour and It's not just the tour thing and playing in a band.
Families and friends.
It's your whole life!
It's your whole friggin' world!
And then all of a sudden it's just, well, see you later dude!
ian crossland
Dude, you gotta look up Pete Parata on the internet.
The face, the picture of his face.
He's like, he's awesome looking.
michale graves
He's hitting it so hard.
ian crossland
He's on the drums.
I'm trying to figure out when he joined the Offspring.
Officially joined face-to-face in 98, and then offspring in 2007.
So that'd be about 14 years ago, 15 years ago.
The guy's amazing.
unidentified
2007?
tim pool
Yeah, 15.
Okay, I was wrong.
I was thinking like, wait a minute, did I give him extra years?
Maybe it was 14 or so.
ian crossland
Before that, he's with Saves the Day.
tim pool
I couldn't believe that story when I heard it.
Because my attitude is, if something happened like that, and my response was, okay, well, we're going to keep moving forward, I wouldn't turn Terminate like if I had somebody was working for me for six months.
I wouldn't fire him.
I'd be like you're cool, dude We'll figure it out.
michale graves
Yeah, you know crazy and that's a scary thing the people that you think have your back are In the past couple of years at least in my experience and I've lost people in my life that walked away from me that I've known for decades you know 20 years people that I was very very close to that again because of the pressure because of well I might lose my Facebook and because you know I don't know you've gone crazy or you know people that know people that fell for the delusion that believe the delusion is
And the lies, knowing me, like knowing who I am and knowing my heart, but then saying, yeah, no, well, we're going to go with this whole thing.
And we're going to... That's scary.
When you hear stories about, you know, when the Nazis rolled into some of these, the different cities, where just overnight, you know, the pogroms, these people, they went to school together, they were family, and then they're dragging each other into the streets and they're ripping their clothes off and they're beating them.
That's where we're at.
It's almost like we're practicing for it.
And it's just we're doing it online.
Because essentially you're assassinating people.
You're killing them.
You're ripping their whole world away.
Everything is gone.
All the people that you love, your business, these things that you've worked for, gone.
unidentified
Boop!
michale graves
Gone.
And we're doing that in that synthetic world that's built, and it's not very far from reality, the physical part of this.
tim pool
Let me just multiply the concerns here, the fears here.
We used to have brick-and-mortar stores.
We still do, sort of.
You drive down any main street in old cities, what do you see?
Most of the stores are closed.
Yeah, it's true.
First there was Walmart.
Now there's Amazon.
It's all online.
So people start building their businesses on Twitter, Facebook, and Google.
I knew a guy who would sell things on his web store, and all of his traffic came from Google.
People would search for something, and he would be in the top five.
Google changed their algorithm one day.
His search dropped to the second page.
His business evaporated.
There's no second page.
Now here's where it gets crazy.
Many people are building businesses on Twitter, Facebook, and Google.
Selling things, promoting things, being commentators.
Oops, you got banned.
Your business is erased.
Imagine this.
When we live in Mark Zuckerberg's metaverse fake reality that he desperately wants us to live in.
And you create a store with a virtual environment that sells t-shirts and people can walk in and they can buy stuff and they can chat.
And then Mark Zuckerberg walks in with a smile on his face and says, I'm deleting your store!
And then you're gone.
Everything you worked for ceases to exist.
Like that.
You have a brick-and-mortar store?
It's a lot harder to do.
You go into the metaverse with digital business?
They can ban you outright.
We launch a store.
We sell t-shirts.
We got a t-shirt pinned.
You can buy it if you want.
The company that hosts it could just erase that store instantly and then we're not selling any products.
It is a nightmarish potential future unless we stay conscious of what's happening and fight for rights for rules.
michale graves
Where this crypto story comes in, right?
We see the dollar coming apart, our economy coming apart.
We see this what's happening with FTX.
And now that there's going to be the big push for the cryptocurrency regulations and everything, they've got to get their hands in that and cash isn't going to work and we need these regulations and we're going to attach that to the social credit score and we're going to take away everything That's in this physical, all the brick and mortar, gone.
So that then, that ultimate control, you say something that is not part of the narrative, you say something that goes against, you're, whoop, you're gone, whoop, sorry, what are you, what are you gonna do?
You know how to grow corn?
tim pool
No, no, no, don't worry about it.
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
You will live in the pod and you will eat the bugs.
michale graves
You will eat zee bugs.
tim pool
My favorite meme right now is the chicken that says, I will live in the pod, I will eat the bugs, and I will give you eggs.
That's a good one!
Chickens are great!
ian crossland
You're talking about female human eggs?
Are they going to be harvesting people's eggs to reproduce in a laboratory?
Yeah, right now you are, but I wonder if the metaphor extends to the next 70 years.
tim pool
Those goofy little things run around eating bugs, living in their little pod, and then we, you know, Kim goes out there and she collects all their little butt bounties, crack them open, have breakfast, sprinkle a little black pepper on them, mmm, can't be beat.
michale graves
Yeah, I've raised chickens too, yeah.
ian crossland
How many chickens you got?
michale graves
Well, we just had a weasel attack.
So we're down.
Yeah, I raised ducks too and weasel got in there big time.
So I lost upwards of nine ducks and three chickens.
So my flock is down.
ian crossland
What percent of your flock was that?
unidentified
About 30%.
michale graves
One weasel.
It was actually two.
My wife saw two.
ian crossland
A team of weasels.
michale graves
Yeah, a team of weasels.
They were working together.
Wow.
tim pool
Funny metaphor when they call people weasels.
Some kind of auto-defense turret that can identify what a chicken looks like using an AI and it pans past the chickens and sees the weasel and... It's crazy.
michale graves
It's crazy.
tim pool
Airsoft though.
Airsoft.
michale graves
It gets so frustrating sometimes.
I just say, let's just burn it all down.
I just want to burn the whole barn down.
It's incredible, such a little creature can cause so much damage.
tim pool
Yeah, we had a snake get in a couple times, it was eating eggs.
But the chickens were mostly fine.
The bigger issue we had is that Roberto Jr., who is the son of Roberto, obviously, and he's in charge, his mom died.
She had ovarian cancer.
Yeah, yeah, nothing we could do about it.
Just didn't know that.
She just had cancer.
We didn't see any signs.
She died.
Then we got to the, the vet got it checked and they were like, there's nothing you could have done.
It just happens.
michale graves
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think you're, you're, how you're saying sometimes you get so frustrated that you want to burn the barn down.
A lot of people are feeling that like sociologically, like they're so frustrated with the system and a lack of hope that they say burn it all down.
But like, Then you get a chance, hopefully you get a chance to remember how awesome it is to be alive in this experience of love and pleasure and like learning and protecting other life and you're reminded that it's worth keeping around.
tim pool
That's a good note, Ian.
That's a good note.
We're gonna go to Super Chats.
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Should be a whole lot of fun.
And let's see what you guys got.
Kenneth Hart says, No way, Michael Graves!
Man, it was so cool exchanging emails during Bush's re-election campaign.
What changed?
How did you evolve from there?
michale graves
Um, you know, I'll be honest with you, I started to work more and get involved in the military sphere of things and talking to soldiers and really becoming aware of what was happening with the war.
And, you know, September 11th, after what happened with September 11th, and great work like Luke Rudowsky had done in learning What was happening with 9-11 really started to wake me up.
I fell asleep when those towers came down and I was living close enough to where I could see the smoke in the sky to New York City and I immediately became entrenched in the propaganda and got angry and got mad and forgot a lot of the stuff that...
tim pool
You've been following Luke for a long time?
michale graves
I know Luke, yeah, of course, sure.
He's a hero, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, gee.
First YouTube channel to be demonetized, I'm pretty sure.
ian crossland
Bill Ottman was telling me one time he was in, like, New York at some rally, and he was like, dude, Luke was on a statue, like, we are going to the building!
tim pool
And all these people were like, yeah!
luke rudkowski
Right, 9-11 was an inside job, you know, you'd always see Well, we had 10,000 people, including family members, rescue workers, survivors of 9-11, asking for some serious questions to be answered.
And we were all over New York City without a permit, marching.
michale graves
Not an easy thing to do during those times, man.
unidentified
No, no.
luke rudkowski
There was agent provocateurs.
There was people trying to, of course, make us seem like we were crazy or spread disinformation and bad messaging.
There's a lot of Cass Sunstein types.
But those days, we were in the streets.
The internet wasn't as prominent.
People didn't have cell phones that you could interact with.
They had flip phones.
So during those days, we had to do everything in the streets.
We were bullhorning.
We were giving out leaflets.
We were giving out DVDs.
We've been doing that for such a long time, and the streets is where it was at.
tim pool
We're gonna read some more.
We got Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, you know I'm game.
I learned lots from going out earlier this year.
I'll knock on doors and harvest the eff out of ballots.
Not for Republicans.
For MAGA.
For America.
Folks, we got two years.
We can still win.
That's right.
Make sure you check.
In, I think it's 26 states, there's regulations on how many you can ballot harvest and if you can.
Some states, it's like you can only bring in ballots if they're your family members.
There's many states where there's just no regulation at all.
So people are literally just going door-to-door, be like, I'll take it from you, and they'll just take the ballots and go drop them off.
ian crossland
Is it actually called ballot harvesting officially?
Or like, do they call it ballot collection?
Because harvesting sounds dirty.
michale graves
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, it's whatever you want to describe it as.
Designated, what is it called?
In a lot of states, they have like a designated agent or something it's called, where you sign saying this person can take my ballot from me.
michale graves
You know, it really sounds like the Democratic ground game, right?
That sounds like a ground game sort of thing.
And I always hear a lot about how Uh, you know, you have to get into the Republican, you know, Frank Cavanaugh, uh, bass player, Filter, who's a good friend of mine, is always talking about that, about, you know, getting in at the, at some sort of level where that sort of ballot harvesting thing, um, could be implemented, you know.
tim pool
Waffle Sensei says, really disappointed Daily Wire is losing the plot.
How so?
ian crossland
I saw that super chat.
I didn't understand though.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Are they like anti-Trump or something?
Is that what it is?
unidentified
Probably.
luke rudkowski
I'm gonna look at their website now.
ian crossland
I think Candace said she's gonna be interviewing him again at some point or wants to.
Okay, what do we have?
tim pool
Jay says, did you guys hear that the New York lawyers who threw the Molotov at the cop car got disbarred during the not-peaceful George Floyd protests?
I didn't hear that.
I did hear that some woman got sentenced to six years.
And also, in the video I did talking about how they're going after Trump with the 14th Amendment, I pointed out how Joe Biden basically, his campaign assisted the 529 insurrection.
And there was a story, and it's absolutely hilarious.
I think it was NBC.
That said, something like, uh, temporary barricades removed and damage to church after peaceful protest becomes destructive.
I was like, wait, what?
Peaceful protest.
unidentified
Right.
michale graves
Depends on who's doing it, is how it's characterized.
tim pool
Right.
Dan Brockman says, Michael, famous monsters in American Psycho were huge influences for my band Screaming Torso from 06 to 08.
Please look us up.
Soundcloud.
Our album is called There Will Be Torso.
Thank you, Michael.
michale graves
Screaming Torso.
I love it.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Oh yeah, man, dude, we'd go skating and they'd be blasting your stuff, like my friends would just put it on.
We'd listen to that and a bunch of other punk rock stuff as we went to go skate at the local parks and stuff like that.
unidentified
How did it work?
ian crossland
Misfits had been around before you joined the band?
michale graves
Yeah, Misfits were formed 1977, Lodi, New Jersey, by Glenn Danzig, Jerry Only.
They broke up in 81, I think, something like that, and then they really gained popularity From bands like Metallica, Cliff Burton, the bass player always had the skull on, and Rob Zombie.
So when I got into the band, there was a lot more legend behind the band than anything else.
They really only had played a handful of shows, and so everything was sort of word of mouth.
Yeah, yeah.
So I got in the band in 1995.
ian crossland
Started writing fresh stuff when you hit, or did you play a lot of the old catalog?
michale graves
When we first went out, we did a tour called the Resurrection Tour, and we did like every song they ever wrote.
You know, it was incredible.
It was like 30, 40 songs, I think, a night.
Back to back.
Back to back.
One, two, three, go!
And then we would go.
tim pool
Crypto.
Cryptorath says, Michael, your music saved my life, brother.
You are one of the greatest poets of our time.
New album soon.
michale graves
Wow, bless you, thank you very much.
Again, I'll take that over fame and celebrity or nice fancy cars and everything.
I'm so blessed that, like I said, I just came back from this tour in the United States, an acoustic tour, and I hear that all the time.
I hear these profound stories about people's lives and the things that they've gone through.
And how they've overcome or what they're currently going through and for them to then say that my music or something that I've created has affected them or it's bound to them in some sort of way is just... That's treasure in heaven.
That's not treasure down here.
It's an amazing, amazing thing and it really helps propel me forward.
tim pool
Right on, man.
michale graves
So I don't just hide in the woods and never show my face again.
tim pool
No, keep it up.
Seth Weathers says, Shameless self-plug, our Let's Go Brandon Christmas wrapping paper is back for 2022 with new designs, and it won't let me post the full link.
Brandonwrap.com.
ian crossland
That is the Seth Weathers there.
unidentified
Seth Weathers.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he was on the show.
ian crossland
Love you, Seth.
tim pool
We gotta get some of that.
We should order some of that, the Let's Go Brandon wrap, and then I can send out presents to my family members and see who gets triggered.
ian crossland
What was the website again?
tim pool
Brandonwrap.com, I think?
ian crossland
Brandonwrap.com.
michale graves
I'm gonna do the hammer thing.
I think at officialmichaelgraves.com I'm gonna sell hammers.
Pelosi hammers.
tim pool
We made jokes about, like, banning hammers and, like, hammers with tactical forward grips and, like, sights on them and stuff like that.
People started making memes.
Alright, let's see.
Potatoes for Seamus says, Surge Feetcast, IRL.
unidentified
Oh, hey.
What's up?
ian crossland
Hey, I'm still on, guys.
luke rudkowski
I can see that.
tim pool
Alright, Grim Pickens says, Alright, hear me out.
What if Underwear Man is Corn Pop?
He'd be too young.
ian crossland
David to pap?
tim pool
Too young to be corn pop.
What if Paul Pelosi is corn pop?
unidentified
That's actually a conspiracy theory.
michale graves
That the pap guy has in my mind has this weird resemblance or something that's that's similarly strange, strangely similar to the to the FTX crypto guy.
I don't know why.
ian crossland
Those FTX dudes were doing a lot of drugs.
I'm reading that he would encourage his employees to try different drugs.
michale graves
Yeah, maybe it's something in the eyes.
Like, you know, they have the crazy eyes.
Something.
tim pool
Pluto the Ninth says, Mr. Graves, you're an incredible singer.
Started listening as a teen and had American Psycho on repeat for years.
My four-year-old son loves it too.
Can you say Giant Spiders prepare to take over for Abram?
michale graves
Giant spider.
Yeah, giant spiders prepare to take over.
tim pool
David Toronto says, why are there no pictures of Paul Pelosi after the attack?
If they tried to blame it on a right winger, wouldn't they want people to see he was hurt?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Or they can just say whatever they want.
People believe it.
unidentified
Yeah.
michale graves
He's charging that dude with attempted murder.
tim pool
yeah he played not he's pleading not guilty alright what is this uh... we got
ryan philpott says just saw the misfits in dallas with danzig Jerry Only, bassist, is my cousin.
No matter who was the singer, Misfits rock.
I'm excited to see Graves.
So Danzig rejoined or what?
michale graves
Yeah, those guys buried the hatchet and have been doing shows for a couple years now.
It's called the Original Misfits.
So they got Glenn, Jerry, and Doyle.
I don't know who they have drumming.
They had Dave Lombardo from Slayer drumming for them for a while.
tim pool
Do they play your songs too?
michale graves
No, no, no, no.
They don't even mention me.
It's kind of, you know, I'm sort of memory hold.
Yeah, it's old stuff.
I think now they're doing like Walk Among Us and I think, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Do you retain the rights to the stuff you wrote while you were at the band?
michale graves
Yeah, I go out, I play it.
I'm going to South America in about a week and a half and I do Famous Monsters.
I do American Psycho Famous Monsters back to back.
unidentified
Cool.
michale graves
So I still wave the flag.
People love the music.
But those guys...
Getting me back in the—can you imagine if—you know, I'm kind of under the radar right now with what I'm doing.
For them to get me back in the band and do like American Psycho Famous Monsters with those guys, it wouldn't work because of all the BS that would come with it.
tim pool
Bayleon says, when even Marjorie Taylor Greene voted for McCarthy, my positivity on Republicans doing anything meaningful fell to zero.
I get it though.
MTG wants to be on committees.
She wants to be able to actually get something done.
And so they're probably saying, look, don't go up against the RNC.
Give them what they want and they'll give you something back.
I kind of just think the GOP needed to go in and be like, nah.
But we'll see if Marjorie can get things done.
Look, I trust Marjorie Taylor Greene.
So.
That one threw me a little bit.
I was like, really, man?
ian crossland
Is it just like a big group of like a fraternity sorority type thing where they all know each other and it's all kind of understood like, Mitch, you got this, we're not going to turn our back on you?
tim pool
No, it's probably more like the people who have been in the party the longest and have been in office longest have more control over funding and who gets money and how it gets spent.
So they basically say, I'm going to be party leadership, vote for me, otherwise I cut your funding and you don't get re-elected, and we go up against you.
Look at what we did to these candidates and these candidates, and then they're like, okay, okay.
So someone just needs to be like, eh, I'll take two years.
I guess the problem is everybody really, really wants to be in office.
They want to get re-elected.
Maybe term limits would be good?
I don't know.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
If it were me, I'd be like, dude, you don't want to play a game of chicken with me, because I'll go nuts.
Like, if I'm going to be here for two years, it's going to be a really bad two years for you.
So how about we make it four years, but we kind of compromise there?
michale graves
That sort of thing is very rare in people, in men, and in women.
I mean, you see what's happened the past two years.
Look at January 6th.
All the pressure that came down on people, whether it was Proud Boys or anybody else, everyone just scattered.
Everyone just scattered because of the downward pressure and because of the fear.
It really takes a certain someone to stand on their two feet and be firm in their position and say no.
This is the right thing.
I'm doing this because of integrity, because of morals and my alignment, and I don't care what you take from me.
That's the whole give me liberty or give me death.
People don't understand that.
Give me liberty or give me death.
Take everything from me if you want, because it's not about me.
I mean to a certain point it's about individualism, but it's about the people that came before us and what they did and what they built and sacrificed, and it's for the people that are going to come after us.
My children, your children, everybody's children.
tim pool
That's true.
I don't feel like that's my motivation necessarily, maybe a little bit.
Mine's more like I'm more willing to sacrifice than you are.
You know, so if somebody wants to get involved in a game of chicken, that's the game.
The cars are speeding at each other.
Who's got more to lose?
Who's got less to lose?
And who's going to bow out first?
I remember I learned this important lesson from my dad when he was driving his Wrangler, which was a giant hunk of steel with, you know, rust holes in it.
And some luxury sedan was trying to basically cut him off and push him out of a zipper.
And he started laughing.
And he was just like, this guy's not going to touch me.
And then, sure enough, the guy slammed the brakes on and we kept going.
And he was like, you think the guy in that expensive car is gonna risk damage to it?
I'm in a giant bucket full of metal.
I don't care if someone hits it.
And I'm like, that's a funny way to look at things.
So when I see somebody come at me and I'm just like, bro, you gotta understand how leverage works.
Right now we've got 31 members, I think, of the House Freedom Caucus who are challenging McCarthy, and good for them.
But we need more people who are gonna be like, If I'm here for two years, I'm here for two years.
You better work with me or you're going to regret it.
They might be able to come out and be like, we're going to campaign against you, we're going to work against you, we're going to ship you off committees, and I'm going to be like, then I'm going to make sure the next two years are worse off for you for it.
Or we can just say, truce, let's get through this one and make it work.
ian crossland
You know what I would do if I got into Congress?
First thing is I would get 432 headshots.
Is that how many people are in the house?
unidentified
432?
ian crossland
And I'd put them on my wall and I would memorize everyone's name and face.
This is what I did in theater school.
When the new class would come in, I was like a sophomore, all the freshmen, I would stare at their headshots and memorize all their names and it created a community.
So I knew everybody when they would walk in.
tim pool
I don't know.
I kind of feel like they maybe were just scared of you.
Like I'm imagining walking to a school and like some dude I know walking up being like, hey Tim, I'd be like, uh.
ian crossland
No, they were glad because they were all nervous and they were new and like you can be there for people and help people, you know, find comfort in these crazy high stress situations.
And I think just being there for them, the people in Congress, they need that right now.
They need like emotional support in addition to awesome policies like pulling carbon dioxide out of the air and turning it into graphene.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Christopher Hunter says, Yo, Michael, great to see you on.
I'd love to bring you back to Waco again.
It's been too long.
Much love to Tim Cast and crew.
Keep it weird, Ian.
I went to Waco not that long ago.
Went and checked out the Branch Davidian compound and got to see all the stuff there.
michale graves
Me too.
Yeah, tremendous.
I was just up in Waco.
I did a private show.
Yeah, for sure.
I stopped by the Branch Davidian compound there where they have that church.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's crazy to read all that stuff.
Things the U.S.
government is willing to do, and for what reason, I have no idea.
Mark Jones says FTX funded the Democrats someone needs to investigate and report.
And, uh, how much do you want to bet the Republicans don't?
ian crossland
Because they were also getting investments from FTX?
tim pool
Well, a little bit.
ian crossland
Reportedly.
luke rudkowski
Not as much as the Democrats, but they got a lot of money as well.
They should give back that money.
The politicians who got the money from FTX right now should give it back to the people who had their money stolen from them immediately.
tim pool
But it's not the politicians, it's the PACs.
The politicians are legally restricted on how much money they can receive from an individual.
So what happens is you get these super PACs that just take in 200-400 million dollars and And it gets a little seedy because it wasn't just FTX, it was a company called Alameda Research.
ian crossland
It was a sister company and it was being CEO'd by Sam Bankman-Fried's girlfriend.
And what it looks like is that FTX was funneling money to Alameda, Alameda was doing the investment for them.
tim pool
DonkeyParadise says, Timothy, with all due respect, you know better than to give a pass on OnlyFans and the like.
Just ask yourself, the whole crew in fact, just ask each other, how would I feel if my daughter were doing this, my son supporting this?
Horrifying much?
An emotional con job evil.
I get it.
The challenge is, would I want my family on OnlyFans?
Absolutely not.
Do I want to deprive the right of consenting adults to exchange in goods?
No, I don't.
But that's the difference between libertarian and conservative.
Conservatives, of course, have no problem saying, like, dude, we are not going to allow a society where women stop working as police officers and nurses so that they can become porn stars for subscription fees.
And libertarians are kind of like, As long as you're not infringing on the rights of others, consenting adults can agree to do what they want.
I don't know, what do you guys think about all these things?
luke rudkowski
As long as there is informed consent.
I think people don't know about the long-term kind of negative consequences, especially when it comes to online pornography.
There's also another argument to make here that men wouldn't have access to women if it wasn't for that, that men's depression would go down because of that.
There's a lot of different arguments to make here, but it's a very complicated one.
Since this is such a new phenomenon that is taking society by storm, and it's really hard to quantify as of right now.
But overall, I don't think enough people know about the dangers of pornography.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm kind of with you about consent.
I think it's a big part of this.
Do you know what you're getting into?
tim pool
Here's the challenge.
This is based on a story I did on Twitch.
There are groomers who are going into the channels of young people and then offering them donations and money and subs in exchange for Certain activities that grooms them into doing worse and worse things.
michale graves
Young people.
tim pool
Young people.
So the study found some of these are even pre-pubescent children, but they're typically like young teenage girls.
michale graves
Yeah.
tim pool
And so they'll say, hey, do a handstand.
Hey, take your socks off.
Show me your feet.
And they increment and get it crazier and crazier.
And what they're doing is they're grooming kids into becoming only fan porn stars.
That's a major problem.
It's one thing if some adult is like, hey, I want to send some pics and get paid for it, and it's like, well, consenting adults.
It's another thing when you have people actively grooming children for these things, and it causes social degradation.
ian crossland
Yeah, and then we're going to look in the metaverse, and OnlyFans can easily morph into, like, your digital avatars having sex with their digital avatar for money.
And is the kid even, like, 18 yet?
luke rudkowski
Well, a lot of this boils down to the destruction of the family unit, which is one of the key factors when it comes to the larger takeover of society.
Sorry, go ahead.
unidentified
That was all, yeah.
michale graves
I have three children, and I have a 13-year-old and a 10-year-old.
Both have access to the internet, and I know, certainly, what they're doing and what they're looking at.
So, again, it does.
It comes down to the degradation of the family and the parents.
Where are the parents?
That's where I get conservative.
I kind of know the answer to that, I'm saying.
ian crossland
I actually find myself to be a little obsessively authoritarian about family life.
I try not to be.
But, like, I used to be lax a days ago and do whatever you want to do, go do it.
But then she starts, you know, stripping and, like, where do you say no?
Like, where do you draw the line in a relationship?
Like, how?
luke rudkowski
Informed consent.
We don't have any of that.
michale graves
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, Yardbird says, unpopular opinion and I don't care.
Michael Graves' Misfits is way better than Glenn Danzig's Misfits.
I bought American Psycho the day it dropped and I still jam to it this day.
michale graves
Thank you.
tim pool
There you go.
Bruce Sobolvaro says, if you pre-order Earth Simulacra 2, you get Pre-Dementia Joe Biden for the corruption DLC and extra campaign.
ian crossland
I need to get Pre-Dementia Joe Biden.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a limited edition.
It's rare.
ian crossland
He has that plagiarism ability.
tim pool
He has that plagiarism ability.
ian crossland
Yeah, he can plagiarize foreign diplomats.
tim pool
Can we make a game like that?
That'd be hilarious.
It'd be a great card game.
I wonder if they can add, you know, into, like, Civilization so I can make an expansion.
unidentified
That'd be so funny.
tim pool
A mod.
Yeah, with a bunch of, like, modern world leaders.
You know what?
Just let's be real.
Tremendous.
Think about how amazing it would be if you could play Civilization and play as Trump or Biden.
Or Obama or Hillary.
ian crossland
That'd be hot.
tim pool
Like trying to negotiate with Trump and civilization would just be hilarious.
ian crossland
It'd be cool to play as corporations and play as Klaus Schwab.
tim pool
You're gonna give me all your uranium or we're going to war.
It's like, I would prefer to avoid that.
I'm going to nuke you.
michale graves
You could slap Trudeau.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
I mean, I wonder if they probably had, it sounds like a reasonable thing they'd actually have.
Maybe there's a, no, they have to be able to do that.
Maybe there's like a likeness issue or something or copyright.
I don't know.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Bree Sullivan says, Luke, you've said that we have to hold our politicians' feet to the fire, short of an actual fire pit.
How do we actually do that?
luke rudkowski
Don't support them unless they actually are doing the right things.
I think anyone... I think we also have to culturally, you know, make fun of people that worship politicians and then make them their whole entire personalities.
I think people need to be ostracized for saying, the politician's going to solve everything in my life.
I think culturally that's important.
I think also understanding our power and building communities and networks where we aren't dependent on government is also another way to do that.
And I think being open to criticizing your own side and all politicians is another key step that's important towards not just going along with the cult of personality.
tim pool
Waffle Sensei says, do you think Trump could beat Putin in a fistfight?
Putin is like a trained assassin, I know, but he's so tiny and he acts afraid of Trump.
ian crossland
Oh, Putin would rip him up in a fight.
tim pool
He's a ball of muscle.
I think he's a jujitsu.
luke rudkowski
I think he's a black belt.
tim pool
Yeah, and in a fistfight?
Okay, fair point.
If grappling's out of the question and we're boxing, I mean, that's a good question.
Because Trump's got height and reach and mass.
But they're both really old.
luke rudkowski
They're so old.
ian crossland
Money's on the train, fighter.
tim pool
Yes, I agree.
If it was a straight up fight, Putin, no doubt, because he's got the grapple techniques.
ian crossland
Even if Trump got the jump on him with like a chair, I think Putin would still take one and then be like... It looks like Putin might be quicker than him, too.
michale graves
He's just got to get on the inside.
Work the inside.
Yeah, if he gets close.
luke rudkowski
Trump's bigger though, size matters.
ian crossland
But like Tyson, you know, Tyson would get in there and blow.
luke rudkowski
Trump could sit on him.
tim pool
Trump would be like the Hulk or the Blob in X-Men.
And he'd like walk up and Putin would like hit him in the chest and Trump would just jiggle and go... And be like, oh no, you have to use special techniques on this guy.
unidentified
I don't know though, I remember when that guy tried... It'd be a good fight.
Yeah.
tim pool
What if, what if this, what if instead of war we had world leaders fight each other?
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
That'd be freaking great.
tim pool
And then you basically just like, you want a world leader who's ripped and a well-trained fighter and who's got experience in combat.
And then, land dispute?
What are we disputing?
This territory?
How far in?
Okay.
Here's the arena.
Joe Rogan's commensating.
michale graves
We get Dana White to run the whole thing.
ian crossland
They used to do it out of necessity.
luke rudkowski
Just like Rocky.
ian crossland
Two opposing armies would come up and rather than kill each other, they'd be like, send their best warrior to the front.
They'd duel.
Whoever won would win the battle.
Then they wouldn't kill each other and they'd be like, okay, you've made your point.
But when it but now then they invented ballistics and now they're like any any monkey can blast somebody.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm in the middle of some important administrative work.
ian crossland
Yes!
All right.
tim pool
Back to where we were.
We'll grab we'll grab a couple more Super Chats.
Lillian May Briggs says McCarthy is the same as Ryan.
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
There you go.
tim pool
Juice Cyber Newtype says the media will get revived.
Willing to bet certain investors will make sure they can while Trump runs.
Perhaps, perhaps, but I don't know, I mean, what's, Twitter?
I'm also, here's what I'm worried about.
Meta is laying people off and on the downturn.
Twitter is laying people off and people are questioning, you know, what's going on, is it gonna last?
TikTok's expanding.
michale graves
Yeah.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
But even Democrats are now talking about banning TikTok, so they better.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, that's just funneling all your data to China and then messing with your kids.
michale graves
It's a mind control device, 100%.
tim pool
All right.
Dirtnap66 says, Tim, Biden is as a ghoul in Fallout.
I mean, it wouldn't take but a slight skin tone change.
Agreed.
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michale graves
Go check out OfficialMichaelGraves.com.
Working on a bunch of really cool things.
Also go check out AmericanLibertyAwards.com.
It's a project that I'm working on with Matt Baker and Frank Cavanaugh from Filter.
More information and things will come up about that as we were talking about parallel economies and things that we can do to get culture back.
AmericanLibertyAwards.com.
luke rudkowski
Are you on social media?
michale graves
I'm on Twitter, at Radio Deadly, and I'm on Gab, I'm on Rumble, Parler.
Again, officialmichaelgraves.com will have all of the different social sites that I'm on.
luke rudkowski
Sweet!
Well, thank you so much for coming on, Michael.
This was great, and it was an awesome conversation.
Awesome to have you here.
Thank you.
As you guys know, YouTube and Instagram are giving me the business.
That's why it's more important than ever.
You guys check out lukeuncensored.com.
I did an exclusive video there about what I'm doing to prepare.
There's crazy times ahead of us.
It's only going to get crazier from here.
I detailed what I'm doing, and you can join the conversation and my forum all on lukeuncensored.com.
Check it out.
Hope to see you there.
ian crossland
And if you guys want to go to Michael's website again, it's officialmichaelgraves.com.
It's Michael, M-I-C-H-A-L-E, different than the way my brother spells his name, Michael.
Great to see you, buddy.
michale graves
Thanks, Ian.
ian crossland
Hey guys, check out Cast Castle if you haven't seen it yet.
TimCast.com.
This week's episode is lit.
tim pool
It was an honor to have Coren Nemec do an episode with us.
I mean, Parker Lewis can't lose.
Stargate.
We had someone in Super Chat tell me a while back, they're like, Tim, if you're a fan of Star Trek, watch Stargate SG-1.
I did.
It's an amazing show.
Coren Nemec, of course.
Jonas Quinn in the show.
And so having him come here and do a bit with Ian was awesome.
ian crossland
He's a blast to work with.
So fun.
And I think it shows up in the movie itself, in the show itself.
So check it out.
michale graves
Definitely gotta check it out.
We watched a couple episodes before we got on here.
I had never saw it before.
tim pool
The one where Ian jams stuff up his ass was also very funny.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's last week's episode, no joke, and you should definitely check that out as well.
luke rudkowski
That was my idea!
You think we're joking, that's actually what he... I'm the mind genius behind that, just a heads up.
ian crossland
And iamstard.com.
Hope you guys liked today, it was a good one.
tim pool
We will see you all over at timcast.com.
Become a member, and once a week we're gonna, I don't even know if we're gonna do five people, we're gonna try and grab just a handful, five, a minimum five, but maybe more, of the people who comment on our members-only content, and we're just going to hit you up and be like, where can we send you some, some schwag and knickknacks from the show?
And, um, it might often be a funny thing.
Like, you might get a piece of garbage.
Like, nothing gross, but like, I don't know, like, Luke's notepad or something.
luke rudkowski
Ian inserted into himself.
ian crossland
I would love to send you that.
tim pool
But like Ian's rocks or something like that, whatever, whatever we're trying to get rid of off the table.
So thanks for hanging out everybody and we will see you all over at TimCast.com.
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