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Oct. 21, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Alex Jones Must Pay $2.75 TRILLION Demand Families In Lawsuit w/Austin Petersen

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The families in the lawsuit against Alex Jones are demanding $2.75 trillion, which is just
		about the GDP of France from one guy, Alex Jones.
		Because what?
		It's just, you know, we're in wacky WALL-E world levels of nonsense.
		The children are in charge.
		Nothing makes sense.
		This is ridiculous.
		Maybe Alex Jones will appeal and this will actually get resolved, but I kind of just feel like the whole system is imploding.
		Like, the children are- the inmates are running the asylum.
		The next story that we'll be talking about is Steve Bannon getting four months in prison for contempt of Congress, which, once again, I mean, it's a question of the Constitution and executive privilege, and there's an argument to be made over an administrative issue to sentence the man to prison, I find silly, but he's not going to prison pending appeal, so we'll see how all of that plays out.
		We'll talk about that, plus there's this viral story, the guy in Waukesha who rammed all those innocent people.
		Oh boy, when you see how the media is writing about this guy, a weeping man with two sides to every story.
		There's a viral meme going around where when it was Kyle Rittenhouse, they mocked and belittled him.
		But when it's this guy, they're like, well, two sides to every story.
		He weeps.
		We'll talk about all that.
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		Joining us tonight to talk about all this and more is Austin Peterson.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me back, guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I'm the host of the Wake Up America show, a lifelong Missourian, and yeah, just a freedom fighter, all around libertarian, hardcore, You know, fighter for truth, justice, and the American way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey, right on.
		Just like Superman.
		Thanks for hanging out.
		This should be fun.
		We also got Luke Rudkowski.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's the guy who says you can't sell heroin to a five-year-old.
unidentified		Boo!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You party pooper.
		Anyway, my name's Luke Rudkowski.
		I have to say that.
		I'm sorry.
unidentified		No, it's alright.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's alright.
		Today, I'm wearing a t-shirt with an updated New York State flag, which I think perfectly represents it more accurately with people running away from it saying F this place.
		If you like this shirt, you can get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
		Because you do, I'm here.
		Thank you again so much for having me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's Ian Crossland in the house, your favorite free software advocate.
		Austin, great to see you again, as always, man.
		Love you, brother.
		And Luke.
		Thanks, dude.
		Nice t-shirt.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's going on, Serge?
unidentified		Hey, guys.
		Serge.com.
		Can't remember that easily.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm still going to be here pushing the buttons, as always.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's a story from Bloomberg.
		Sandy Hook families seek $2.75 trillion from Alex Jones.
		Jury already awarded families $965 million in damages.
		Judge to decide damages under state deceptive trade law.
		Oh, this is fascinating.
		So basically, they're seeking what?
		Just about 3,000 times what they were awarded from the jury.
		$2.75 trillion.
		Let's put that into context.
		Here is a list of countries by GDP.
		You can see here U.S.
		dollars in the trillions, France 2.77, Canada 2.2.
		So, Alex Jones' lawsuit falls somewhere in between Canada and France in terms of gross domestic product.
		That's how stupid we have become as a people.
		I'm ashamed because, look, I'm worried the aliens are watching us, and boy is this embarrassing if they are.
		You know, there was this story we talked about the other day that claimed Putin had already tried to fire a nuke, but that sabotage or technical issues caused it not to fire, and I'm like, well, the only solution to that, the only answer as to why it's happening is aliens, you know?
		As soon as he pressed the button, the aliens deactivated.
		Well, that's the conspiracy theory, right?
		That aliens stopped us from firing nukes?
		I'm just saying, The whole world, everything that humanity is, we are becoming a clown show.
		That's how stupid this is, so.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I think we can take this back, you know, we can end this easily.
		Going back to late 1700s, Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech.
		Now back in those days, That only applied to Congress, right?
		But after the Civil War, we passed this thing called the 14th Amendment says the states now shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.
		So all of the privileges and immunities of free speech that were guaranteed in the Constitution applied to people like Alex Jones.
		There's modern jurisprudence as well that backs this up the Supreme Court case that you're going to want to look To reference this is Brandenburg versus Ohio.
		This was back in the 1960s Which says that if there's a matter of public interest or an event of public interest if you have an opinion about that event That is free speech.
		So this Connecticut judge has essentially invalidated, you know jurisprudence which has been You know, repeatedly upheld since the 1960s.
		This Brandenburg case has been tried and tested and has been settled, settled case law.
		So Alex Jones, I think, goes to the Supreme Court and wins.
		I don't think it gets tossed out on appeal.
		I think it goes to the Supreme Court and I think that they look at the Brandenburg case and then they throw this out entirely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me read this from the story.
		It says, The family said they're entitled to that amount, $2.75 trillion, because Jones broke a state law barring the sale of products using false statements.
		They reached the sum by multiplying the state law's $5,000 per violation fine by the 550 million social media exposures Jones' audience received on his Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter accounts in the three years following the San Diego incident.
		Literally makes no sense.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		The judge made a huge mistake.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But in this regard, Alex Jones did not do... Maybe I'm wrong, okay?
		But I'm pretty sure he didn't do commercials where he held up his product and was like, I just want to talk about, you know, a tragic event by my product.
		And also that event was not real.
		Like, I'm pretty sure his commercials were entirely separate statements.
		It would be like if You know, we have Biotrust sponsors the show as if they would be liable because I make a claim about Joe Biden on the show and that's selling the product.
		That's nonsense.
		The law is supposed to be, if I said something like, you know, this water keeps tigers away, $100 Ian, you want to buy it?
		I don't see any tigers, do you?
		That's clearly, right?
		That's what they're trying to go for.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Opinions are always protected free speech, and that's Alex Jones' opinion that that happened.
		And so as long as it was a clearly stated opinion about a public event, he's protected.
		So he's never gonna have to pay this money.
		I mean, obviously, you know, you guys were talking about it getting thrown out on appeal, but I think that this goes through the legislative process, goes to the Supreme Court, they cite Brandenburg, and then it gets tossed out.
		But, you know, the left is celebrating this now as if they're going to go after all these other people like you and me and Kanye and others and stuff.
		I don't think that happens, not with the Supreme Court the way that it sits right now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When he made a statement and named one of the parents and said that they were lying, that crosses the line as no longer opinion.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, so here's the crazy thing.
		If I said something like, Ian Crosland is a conservative commentator who actively assists fascists, and I've seen him do it, that's an opinion.
		If I said, I've watched Ian Crosland walk up to a group of fascists and provide aid and support to them, that's an opinion.
		Because what people need to understand is that I've talked with lawyers so many times about defamation and stuff like this.
		People seem to think that claiming someone did something is a statement of fact when it's not.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But what about if I... you said Ian Crosland said he was 43 years old and he is lying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if you... so the statement of fact is that you said you were 43 years old.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Whether you're lying or not is my opinion.
		Whether you said you were 43 is fact.
		So if I said, for instance, a conservative commentator, Ian Crossland, said that if young folks, if we get rid of no-fault divorce, young folks would be more careful about who they marry.
		Did you really say that?
		Because I made a statement of fact and a quote.
		Like Jezebel.
		So for those that aren't familiar, this is literally what Jezebel did to Ian.
		This is a false statement of fact outright and it is actionable.
		The next question is damages.
		Were you damaged by it?
		How much does it cost?
		Well, we had one user tell us the other day they were going to give us a thousand bucks a month for 84 years.
		But then they found out Ian was conservative, so they're not gonna.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So we'll have to look into that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sue for $2.75 trillion?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right, $2.75 trillion.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All the marks of people that have watched the show ever and thought of me in their head now multiplied by... Come on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the issue with this is that Alex Jones never had a trial.
		That's what happened.
		If he did, they would have been like, it's an opinion, albeit you might think it's a really stupid one, but it is.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		The judge granted discovery, which makes no sense.
		I mean, she should have immediately ruled it as a free speech issue, but you know, she's obviously stepped into
		this on the political side.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people think, and I agree, Alex should not have said stuff like this.
		It's clearly ridiculous, but he's allowed to.
		You know, Ethan Klein got suspended from YouTube the other day for the comments he made about Ben Shapiro getting gassed.
		We said it on the show that night.
		He should not get suspended.
		That was before he did.
		And then I said it again.
		He got suspended.
		He shouldn't be.
		He should be allowed to say that.
		Someone superchatted already that, like, I'm criticizing Kanye West for saying, you know, Well, I don't know if we're supposed to say it on the show, because someone said the R word or whatever.
		But I'm like, you know, I said Kanye shouldn't.
		I didn't say he should be banned from doing it.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But what about the defamation case?
		Now, in your opinion, what should somebody not be able to say?
		Like, when they can prove damages by what someone said, when they're not a public figure, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so I understand the public figure thing, and it's tough.
		Right?
		If we're looking at someone who is a politician or a celebrity and they're active in public life and we have an argument with them, I understand why we have the Times v. Sullivan precedent that there's a higher standard for public figures.
		For people who aren't public figures, who aren't involved in this stuff, I understand why that standard isn't there.
		So it is difficult.
		My view of this is like, what really should have happened is that they sue Alex Jones and said, you've made false statements about this.
		Alex Jones pays in the thousands and has to issue an apology, a retraction.
		I think one big solution for a lot of these things is a retraction and apology, but the courts don't ever enforce that.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Alex already did issue a lot of apologies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I know.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But YouTube deleted all those videos and there's no record of it.
unidentified		Right.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There's not a lot of records that he could comply with and this is one of the reasons why, of course, they just threw out the court case and he didn't have his day in court.
		They just decided he was guilty, said he wasn't complying.
		Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't.
		We don't know the full story of exactly what was happening behind the scenes here.
		But I don't know, maybe these families confused Alex Jones with the Federal Reserve and think he could just print money out of thin air.
		And it's just a ridiculous notion to ask for trillions of dollars.
		It shows you how frivolous this is and how it's politically motivated rather than motivated on the actual merits of this case.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think the strong possibility goes to the Supreme Court.
		They might just say they don't want to hear it, but I think they probably would because this is kind of ridiculous.
		So here's my understanding.
		We went down to Austin, I think it was a year ago, and this was when Jones was, right around the time he was held in default, or they declared a default judgment because he didn't turn over all the documents.
		Alex, I was talking to him and he said, we've given them every single thing we have.
		There's nothing else we can give them.
		And he was like frantically and adamant being like, Tim, listen, I gave them literally everything.
		I don't know what else to do.
		And they just kept saying he didn't.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So like, what do you do when they just claim you didn't give them the documents and you did?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		He's in Chapter 11, which means that in Texas, he's still gonna be able to operate.
		He's got like less than $3 million in assets.
		They don't have to liquidate.
		He can still keep his employees.
		He can still operationally.
		But what they've promised is all the future profits from InfoWars and all that.
		Which there never will be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Let me explain something to anybody who just doesn't understand how businesses work.
		Profits are a choice.
		That's it.
		It's a choice.
		So they may try and say, okay, we're gonna find out where you are right now.
		And we're going to say, here's a cap as to how much you can use for operational costs, but that probably won't fly because it makes no sense because costs vary.
		So, for Alex, let's say he makes $3 million this year.
		I was probably way more a while ago.
		Let's just pick a number.
		Let's say $10 million.
		Okay, fine.
		They say, okay, you made $10 million.
		That is revenue, not profit.
		Alex can then take, let's say it costs him $3 million to run the business, he can then spend $7 million on advertisements all over the country, and that is an operational cost.
		He can just choose to dump it into things.
		He can buy more machines, he can build a bigger warehouse, he can build a bigger studio, and just keep spending the money.
		They will never see a penny.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this looks right.
		This was a political judgment.
		It's not a legal precedent that's set.
		It's going to get overturned.
		You know, Alex Jones will continue to be able to operate in Texas.
		So, honestly, I think that probably everybody benefits from this in the end.
		Because when it does go to the Supreme Court and they do uphold the Brandenburg precedent, people like you and I are going to be benefiting from that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get the Alex Jones precedent.
		And then we're gonna be like, did you see that court case between, you know, Ethan Klein and Ben Shapiro?
		Well, well, under the Jones- Alex Jones precedent, they're gonna have to- They're gonna hate that so much.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		They're like, we gotta keep bringing up the man's name that we banned everywhere on social media?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In Jones v- so, um, this is what happened in Mississippi with the abortion ban.
		It was what, 11 weeks or something?
		Then the left sued to stop it, and it resulted in Roe v. Wade getting overturned.
		They could've just said, hey, let's not launch any lawsuits until we get control of the Supreme Court to keep this level, but they decided we're gonna go at this and try and fight it.
		Makes it to the Supreme Court, Supreme Court says, nope, Roe v. Wade gone.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, this is why I don't take the black pill, man.
		I am so on the white pill train, because over the long course of history, liberty has advanced.
		If you look at things on a long enough timeline, sure, have we lost some short-term victories?
		Sure.
		But the libertarians have slowly made, gotten the big wins.
		Roe v. Wade was a big one.
		That was ignored.
		That happened last, the first time I was on the show last time.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And the anarchists and the people who want to be left alone, we would see things a little bit differently.
		But you do make a very good point, because especially when it comes to states' rights, especially when it comes to gun rights, we have seen it grow in a way that the federal government has been having a hard time trying to, of course, stop.
		You look at states where people could conceal carry, they're becoming more and more abundant by the day.
		That's a huge, major victory.
		And I think when we look at, you know, the decentralization of power, there's a lot of optimism.
		There's a lot of hope.
		But also, at the same time, I think we're seeing the system panic and kind of get angry and lash out.
		And I think this is one of the ways that they're lashing out in these kind of particular court cases.
		But at the end of the day, we're talking about Alex Jones, someone that, of course, is banned on social media.
		And if anything, this is only going to make him more notable.
		This is only going to make more people know about him because more people are talking about him now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So he was a famous guy, but they've turned him into an iconic historical figure.
		Literally.
		That's the craziest thing about it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		A martyr, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, just, I mean more than that.
		Alex Jones, for a while, was just a personality.
		He was a guy who talked, and he had fans.
		If they left him alone, he would have ended up in the historical record as a guy who said stuff online.
		Now they've turned him into an extremely consequential political and legal figure with everything they've gone after.
		Now, throughout history, there's going to be precedent historical records talking about the conflict, the crisis, the politics, all of that stuff.
		Just simply put, he used to be influential, now he's consequential.
		That's history.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that a song lyric?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		You should write that down.
		The left didn't read their Nietzsche.
		They stared too long into the abyss.
		They fought dragons and then they became the enemy.
		They became exactly what they were fighting against.
		You know who else is, you know, red pilling a lot of people and another big victory for free speech and freedom is Corey DeAngelis' Crusade.
		For school choice in Arizona.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he's winning Glenn Youngkin in Virginia the governor's race I mean what a blessing that has been but I honestly think that the school choice issue and the freedom of choice in Education is the freedom issue of our time the pandemic red-pilled a lot of people But there's nothing like telling parents that they shouldn't have anything to do with their kids education to get people to show up to their town That, on top of a new record number of homeschoolers also throughout the last few years, has been growing very significantly, especially after COVID, when a lot of people were able to actually see what's happening in their curriculum, what's happening in their schools, and be shocked by the utter craziness that's being taught to students.
		And it's not really teaching students or teaching kids anything.
		It's really indoctrinating them into the current system.
		A lot of people are sick of it.
		A lot of people are saying, you know what?
		I'm just going to teach my own kids the important things that I want to teach them.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		And what I love, too, is seeing all of the former liberals coming along to our side, right?
		And, like, how the trans issue has turned so many of the LGBT or the LGB—well, the LGBT community.
		We've got, you know, Blaire White and so many other transgender people, Sarah Higdon and others, who are coming along to our side who have been red-pilled because of the extremism of the progressive values.
		The progressives are out there attacking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in her town halls!
		She's already been pushed to the side!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you see she's like dancing and then sticks her tongue out.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Did she vote for funding for Ukraine for weapons and aid?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was unanimous!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was unanimous.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, unanimous?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Thomas Massey didn't vote.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, the Democrats.
		There was like no defectors.
		You look at the Republicans and it's split.
		But so, with a lot of this ideology stuff, there's one really great example that's popping in the news, and it's this Dylan Mulvaney, I think the individual's name is?
		Dylan Mulvaney.
		It's some of the funniest content.
		I mean, Dylan says that they're a performer putting on a performance, and I respect that and think the performance is very, very funny.
		The only thing is, It's at the expense of women, right?
		Dylan Mulvaney, for those who aren't familiar, posted this video, got invited to the White House and got a cookie, and the whole performance, and again, I'll stress this, Mulvaney says outright that this is a performance.
		I bring that up and people are like, no, it's serious, no, it's serious, and I'm like, I mean, maybe Dylan's literally trans, but the character they're playing is exaggerated, over the top performance, and it's, you know, when they say woman face, I'm like, no, that's literally what this is, right?
		The point I'm trying to make is, You mentioned that even trans people are getting concerned about what's going on, Blair White being a good example, because Dylan Mulvaney's character is a caricature of women and trans people, not indicative of who trans people really are.
		So you have this person who's wearing high heels while going hiking, and just this very cartoonish character, and it's got a lot of trans people and women angry that they're being mocked by this performance.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Well, conservatism is not confined to one ideology, right?
		There are conservative Democrats, right?
		There are conservative gay people, right?
		So, you know, conservatism can encompass a wider branch of philosophies than most people might think.
		It's not confined to republicanism.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But hey, you know, Biden really likes Dylan Mulvaney.
		And according to Dylan, who came out today, he says that Biden said that he watches his TikTok channel, and that they're going to come out with an official conversation and interview this coming Sunday.
		So that's going to be very interesting to watch.
		But to the point that you guys are making here, I think it's important to note here that, you know, a lot of the times when people are a part of different communities, Especially in the conservative kind of wing, they usually don't make it their personality.
		Sometimes they do and it's a little bit annoying, but when you just come to the table and say, hey, my sex, my gender, my choice of how I decide to procreate is everything all about me, it's kind of annoying and it kind of takes away from the human being.
		And that's what you see from a lot when it comes to a lot of these social media personalities that just use it as a way to have a fake personality.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think It's possible we get to the point, well I see one of two futures.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One where offensive comedy comes back with a vengeance and you start seeing like, remember when Sarah Silver?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Richard Pryor's and stuff, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean when George Carlin called Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy the N-word on stage to thunderous applause.
		I mean it's shocking.
		It's true, but it's true.
		Yeah he did, outright.
		And the point he was making is that it was a joke because you know they're not.
		Like it was meant to be absurd.
		You know that George Carlin is a hippie who doesn't really believe in this stuff and it
		was meant to be shocking and offensive but you can't do that kind of stuff these days.
		Maybe it'll go swing in a complete other direction or maybe it will come to the point where woman
		face becomes extremely offensive and people like Dylan Mulvaney get banned for misogyny.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But how do you do that?
		I mean, like, how do you rally women around that to, like, to reclaim womanhood that doesn't, that it isn't some entirely conservative female movement?
		I mean, are liberal females really going to get on board with reclaiming, you know, woman face?
unidentified		Like, so, I mean, you've got to... Well, my point is maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't know where we're at.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I just wonder what the psychology is.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		There has to be some kind of polarizing event.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What I see is either the woman face phenomenon results in people saying mockery of any identity is fair play, or it turns into, you know what, we've realized for some time that it's probably not okay to mock women in this way.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But shouldn't it be okay, though?
		Shouldn't everybody be up for grabs?
		When you were kids, there was always that one serious kid who told the teacher every time somebody said something mean about him, and then the rest of us were all having a laugh or having a joke, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't think it should be illegal or banned or anything like that, but people are allowed to have tastes, you know what I mean?
		Like Sarah Silverman did blackface.
		Personally, I'm not a fan of it.
		George Carlin, I'm a huge fan of, but his joke where he calls Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor the N-word, that's, I'm not, I'm not all about that.
		You know, I understand his point about being offensive.
		I think he should be allowed to do it.
		I think he can make his joke and turns out tons of people really loved what he said.
		Good for him.
		I, you know, that's not my thing.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Is there time and place for blackface?
		You know what I mean?
		Is there, like, is there, you know, let's say you're doing a documentary or a film about Al Jolson, right?
		So, I mean, like, There is a time and place to do blackface, right?
		So, I mean, the only thing that we're calling out Sarah Silverman for is the hypocrisy of the left, right?
		Not because she did blackface.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you mean doing blackface insofar as you're mocking what it represented?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like the joke of modern blackface with someone like Sarah Silverman was that you're sort of making fun of the old ways when these people were racist and it was wrong and you're supposed to be shocked by it and it's funny because it's deeply offensive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't that what Al Jolson was doing, though, originally?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Like, he was doing a parody of the Blackface at the time.
unidentified		Not only that, but, like, RDJ, like, Robert Downey Jr.
		in that movie Tropic Thunder years ago.
		Oh, right, right, right.
		It was a joke, but specifically this.
		It's exactly what we're talking about right now.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		To poke fun at the people who do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		I think the Tropic Thunder is hilarious.
		And the gag was actors who go too far into method acting, and he went so far, he actually... Did Blackface.
		Well, it's more than that.
		Like, his character got, like, skin pigmentation.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I just say personally, myself, let people say and do and express themselves as they want, as long as they don't physically hurt other people.
		People should be able to control their own emotions.
		We shouldn't be policing conversation, speech, and art.
		Let it express itself.
		And if someone wants to be distasteful, that is their perspective and opinion, but it's also your opinion to get triggered and angry and emotional about it.
		So, at the end of the day, people's words and actions only have power if you give them that power, and I think if a lot more of us were more mature about this, we could have a situation where we didn't have censorship, we didn't have, of course, the destruction of free speech and the progression of society, but sadly, we do, because people saying, I don't like this, this is offending me, stop him right now!
		And I think that's just weak, and I think that's low vibrational energy that's not good for human consciousness.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Well, as with a lot of things, right, like the woke people will take like a grain of truth and then spin it around it, a yarn of lies.
		So emotional abuse is a real thing, right?
		A use of institutional power to emotionally abuse an affected group, that's a real thing.
		The problem is that when you take that and then you liberalize it and you expand it into, you know, an entire web, then you go too far and then there's going to be collateral damage.
		So the question is, how do you define what is emotional abuse?
		That's the problem, right?
		And that's the realm of therapists to be able to answer a question like that.
		Maybe you guys know more than I do.
		But at some point, you know, I hate bullies, right?
		I can't stand bullies.
		You know, when you see somebody being bullied because of their race or their sexuality or something like that, you want to stand up against that, right?
		At least I do, right?
		For me.
		I'm not a conservative.
		I'm a libertarian.
		So, how do you do that, right, without saying, oh, you're just a woke social justice warrior taking the side of the left or something like that?
		How do you stand up for the rights of affected minorities from actual emotional abuse without crossing over into some larger, effective... I just want to say... Confront the bully directly to their face.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Dave Chappelle, I think, said it best.
		If you don't like it, don't watch it.
		If you don't like what I say, you don't have to listen to it.
		You choose to watch and listen to certain things.
		And if you don't like someone, you don't like their taste, you got offended by them, don't watch them.
		It's your choice at the end of the day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember that viral tweet that I think it was Tyler the Creator?
		And he said, how is cyberbullying a real thing?
		Like, just close your eyes.
		Just like, turn the screen off.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But here's the thing, we're guys.
		We're all guys.
		We don't have any women at this table.
		Those young girls bully the absolute hell out of each other.
		And when they're on their social media with the things that they're saying, the bullying in high school, it's not like when we were growing up, guys.
		It's different.
		They've got pictures, they've got nudes of each other.
		They reach you at home.
		They reach you at home.
		It's an insane level of harassment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so this is actually, it's a good point.
		Because for these kids, it used to be that if you went to school and you had problems, when you went home you were safe from what that stressor was, but the next day you had to go face it.
		Today, with social media and online personas, It's it's infinity.
		It's never going anywhere.
		And so we're seeing suicide.
		We're seeing depression mostly among young girls.
		So yeah, I mean I think it I think really it's gonna come down to the parents to be like no cell phone for you.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Is the depression because of bullying?
		Is it bullying, or is it because of the algorithms that perfectly highlight and curate and upvote particular content that causes drama, that causes anger, that gets people's attention, and they know if they say something negative, they'll get people responding to it.
		If they post something degenerate, they'll get more eyeballs, and the algorithm will reward them for this.
		And I think there's an argument to be made here, because I grew up in New York City, I grew up in Brooklyn.
		There was bullying on insane levels.
		There was a kid who, you know, one day wasn't coming in for a few months.
		He was burnt all throughout his body.
		He lost his father in a fire.
		There was a bully calling him sausage face, punching him, beating him up.
		Psychological abuse where you couldn't escape it.
		There was gangs, there was people bullying each other to the extent where you couldn't even go outside in many instances because you would get, you know, kicked in, stomped on.
		I got stomped on a couple times.
		I got bullied like crazy because I didn't even speak English.
		So I'm saying, There always was bullying, but who are you going to point the finger at?
		The algorithm, or the individuals?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's both, it's both.
		But I just want to point out, there's a cultural issue at play with all of this.
		You mentioning this kid who got burned, I gotta tell you man, where I grew up, if anybody bullied the burn kid, that bully would get stomped out in the playground.
		Like, dude, everybody was kind of like, bro, you crossed the line.
		And that's a cultural phenomenon of kids who had some kind of moral code, or just like, scruples.
		Sounds like where you came from it was different.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And no one, like, this bully knew he could do it, nobody would stop him.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was a bigger kid who got left back a bunch of times, and everyone was afraid of him.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And he would beat the crap out of anybody and anyone he wanted.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		So this is kind of messed up.
		When I was 14 years old, my mother passed away from cancer.
		And, you know, it was a traumatizing event.
		I watched the whole thing happen in real time in front of my face.
		You know, just a horrible, horrible event.
		It took an entire year of suffering.
		And my best friend knew that I was depressed.
		It was about six months or so after she passed away.
		And nothing would make me laugh.
		Nothing could crack.
		I was just in a funk.
		And then one day we were talking about something and he just turns to me and he goes, yeah, well, at least my mom isn't dead.
		And I just went, and I just started laughing so hard, and it broke me out of my funk, and I just started laughing again.
		I don't know what it was, but I do think, and I'm not trying to be like, you know, soft here, but I do think we are coming at this from a very masculine worldview, like, because we are told to be tough, Be hard, you know, and a lot of this, a lot of the, you know, a lot of this leftist stuff comes from feminism and feminists and women wanting to be soft and wanting to take care of people's feelings and wanting to protect people, which I totally understand, right?
		I understand the maternal instinct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You want to come into the heat?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Get ready to get burned.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I agree, I agree, but you got to understand that like a big portion of what we are opposing here in wokeism is postmodern feminism.
		That's feelings over facts, right?
		So we've got to be sensitive to that in order to have a conversation with people who think that we're insensitive and that we're not thinking about that.
		We're these hard, cold, Randian, unfeeling libertarians, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what you're saying is that, you know, men are smart, logical, and tough, and women are frail, weak, and emotional.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That's what you said!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned before that using institutional power to emotionally abuse someone is over the line, and I agree with you.
		And I think the definition of institutional power has changed since internet videos become so prominent.
		Now, a 13-year-old that has 700,000 followers on TikTok is the institutional power.
		And for a young, unfocused child to let their wildness out on another human is like...
		Heavily abusive and dangerous and can rally crowds of people to do it.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		So what do you say to them?
		Toughen up, kid.
		You know, you've got 13 million followers.
		You know, you're aiming it at them.
		You're telling them to go and harass them, essentially.
		You just say, hey, kid, this is the world that you live in now.
		You know, these aren't problems that we used to have to deal with.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They don't seem to work.
		You can't, like, tell someone to stop.
		You've got to ban them.
		Well, what they've been doing is banning them off the platform.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that's like, I don't know if that's the way to go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When I was at VidCon, this is maybe seven or eight years ago.
		That's ancient.
		I'm out in front of, it's an Anaheim convention center, I'm out in front, and I think I have my skateboard on, I'm skating, and I hear, there's a group of little kids, like probably 12, 13, and one kid goes, you have 85 subscribers?
		How?
		And then he's like, I just made videos.
		And the other kid was like, I have 40.
		Like, these kids are talking to each other about how many followers they have.
		That freaked me out.
		I was like, That's going to warp those kids' minds.
		Their whole world's going to be attached to the number of points they get, their influence number.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		What I want to say about like, you know, Ben Shapiro, his famous statement, you know, facts don't care about your feelings.
		He's right about that, but that's from our worldview.
		The outside world, feelings don't care about our facts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've long said that.
		And a lot of other people have said that same thing, too.
		And that's the more important thing to understand.
		Ben Shapiro is factually correct.
		Facts don't care about feelings.
		But you need to understand the political reality is that their feelings don't care about your facts.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		So how do we learn this language, right?
		This is like learning a brand new language.
		We have to be able to learn this language in order to be able to counteract it, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		Look, look.
		You're correct, but we know the language.
		I used to do non-profit fundraising.
		It's evil.
		I think the industry is evil, I think.
		I realized that a lot of these organizations were just lying, and that what they teach people is specifically the language of feelings.
		They give you scripts, they break down how the scripts work, so they teach you exactly how to speak their language.
		And you know what?
		There are high-functioning individuals who can build a podcast or a media platform knowing that language.
		That means they're probably manipulating their followers.
		Or you can be the quote-unquote right and have real conversations, often disagree, and say, it's cool that we disagree, but not try to use emotional manipulation.
		Really what it comes down to is On a show like this, if we tried to engage in hard sophistry, we'd get annihilated by the audience.
		They would say, you guys are liars and it's obvious.
		Because I think what's really starting to split the two worlds is facts versus feelings, and the people who are all about facts aren't going to be swayed by emotional manipulation.
		That's most of the people who are watching this show.
unidentified		And the inverse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then it's the inverse.
		You watch a show like H3H3 or Hassan, and it's gonna be all emotional manipulation with very little facts.
		Hence, the Democrats right now will say, we gotta get off fossil fuels and shut down the Keystone Pipeline.
		Hey, Saudi Arabia, keep pumping that gas!
		How can both of those things be true?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But do we want this balkanization?
		I guess is the question.
		I mean, if you're an anarchist, then yeah, you want to, you know,
		break everybody up into separate independent republics of individuals, right?
		But if you want to live in the United States, like, do you want Hassan to come on this show and talk to you?
		Because right now we are...
		We are.
		Exactly.
		Is that what we want?
		No.
		I want Hassan to come in here and engage with us.
		I want to talk to these people.
		I want to have these conversations.
		When I reach out to leftists and liberals to try and get them on the show, they won't do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Ethan Klein got suspended on YouTube because he said that if there is another If there's another Holocaust, he hopes that Ben goes first, which is shocking and offensive.
		Now, my position, Ben's position, and most people in our space was basically like, he shouldn't be banned for that.
		He's just kind of a dick.
		Ethan Klein himself tweeted before that cancel culture is often a good thing and when he's been cancelled in the past it helps him reflect and become a better person.
		When he got his sponsors pulled because he made gay stereotype jokes, he said, well I guess I'm a threat to gay people so you know whatever and he was kind of bummed about it.
		When he makes offensive comments about Ben Shapiro, he claimed white supremacists got him banned.
		I'm sorry, I gotta pause there a second. You mean you made a joke about gassing
		Ben and you thought white supremacists were mad about it?
		I'm sorry, they agree with you, Ethan, but my point is, it's nonsensical.
		There's no logic there.
		There's no fact to follow.
		He's saying two things that contradict each other.
		However, in the world of emotion, that doesn't matter.
		So, of course, it's true.
		We are in this world where we look for logical consistency.
		And we often don't understand how they could be trapped in that world because they don't need logical consistency.
		They need emotional consistency.
		And what's that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hating us.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ethan was joking and jiving Ben, like it was an attempt to emotionally bond with Ben Shapiro.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are you kidding, dude?
		I know how people like that feel.
		You're saying that Ethan Klein saying he hopes Ben Shapiro gets gassed was to bond with him?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's like, listen fellow Jew, take responsibility for your Jewishness, let's be together on this one kind of thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was an emotional way to say that, and it came out as a dirty joke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Emotional in the sense that it would make the average person want to fight you, I guess.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, kind of like with a friend and you're like, make an insulting joke to your friend.
		They're like, oh yeah?
		And then you get like a bonding kind of thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No way, dude.
		That is a one times one.
		Hold on, look.
		When you are a personality that consistently attacks, insults, derides, and makes money off of harming, like attacking other people, and then one day you go on your show and outright say, you hope if it comes down to it, they die.
		I'm sorry, bro.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're not attacking other people.
		You mean insulting other people?
		I don't like the verb attack used in conversational terms.
		We're not attacking each other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These are people who celebrated cancel culture, celebrated the harm to people's livelihoods, and then complain when it happens to them.
		They advocate for a world of pain and then demand it does not befall them.
		Look, I said this the other day.
		If I came out and said similar comments about AOC, ain't nobody's gonna call that a joke.
		We're critical of AOC.
		We're not friends with her.
		He is not friends with Ben Shapiro.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think he is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What he said about him was not bonding, it was a direct insult.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, it was an attempt to bond.
		Oh, come on.
		It was an attempt, emotional attempt to bond.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was an attempt to deride and insult for the sake of making money.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Why would he bond with somebody that he argues with and doesn't like politically and is complete different?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's natural human tendency.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Can I take an informal poll amongst you guys on the subject of national divorce?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yay or nay?
unidentified		Nay.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yay.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I'm a nay as well.
		So we got one yay.
		What about you, Serge?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think the U.S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		is strong because it's many different nations.
unidentified		Maybe if it was a divorce where it was kind of like larger regions of the United States, maybe.
unidentified		Okay.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		So it's like a larger Balkanization.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		But I don't necessarily know.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't be able to So then that means that we've got to figure out a way to live with these people, right?
		Bill Maher's been talking about this on his show a couple of times.
		No, we don't have to figure out a way to live with these people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why we have states, and that's why people have championed federalism.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Even the states have Democrats in them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
		But California can do California's thing so long as we outline where they're infringing upon our rights.
		For instance, California allowing tons of illegal immigrants to come in, then using that in the census to gain a congressional seat or an electoral vote is a violation of our rights.
		That needs to be adjudicated.
		But if California wants to have illegal immigrants that don't count toward their census, I could care less.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		How can we live in a country with people who think that we are semi-fascists?
		How can we call those people in our country?
		I'd have to side with Luke and say national divorce before we tolerate that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are countries in this world that want us all dead.
		We need to find a way to not fight with each other.
		War is bad.
		So the same goes for even within this country.
		I think California is a very awful place.
		There's poop in the streets.
		They ignore federal laws.
		The only thing I'm concerned about is There are benefits to being part of the Union that make us strong and protect us from, say, Chinese Communism, the Chinese Communist Party, but I don't like the fact that when they become a sanctuary state and defy federal law, it gives them federal power.
		That should be adjudicated.
		I think, if it came down to it, a peaceful divorce is better than a civil war, but I would prefer this country remain together.
		In fact, I prefer the United States actually expand.
		Buying Greenland?
		Let's get it!
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		We need to add more states.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Lucas.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Annex Ontario.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't want Canada.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I like Montreal.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Alberta is where the oil is.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't matter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like Montreal.
unidentified		To me, you don't have to deal with all of Canada.
unidentified		If you guys just listen to me and do what I want, we can avoid a whole bunch of problems.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think it's important to prioritize.
		You know, when I talk about national divorce, what I'm specifically talking about is prioritizing states' rights, limiting the federal government, allowing people to individually decide their own kind of destiny.
		But at the same time, you could also have defense pacts.
		You could also say, hey, we're going to protect each other.
		Hey, we're going to have a strong national defense.
		If one of us gets attacked, we're going to have an alliance.
		But the federal government that dictates how we should be living our life, that's just too much there.
		We don't need all these departments.
		We don't need all these regulators.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, And roads and things like that, for the most part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about federalism.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You keep the roads.
		I don't want the roads.
		Let the roads be private.
		Let's not have a whole roads conversation here because it'll get crazy here.
		I don't want the roads.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But Luke, the first thing that's going to happen is Missouri's going to war with Kansas.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think they'll... Why?
unidentified		Why?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Why would that happen?
		Well, you guys must not be from Missouri.
		First of all, Jayhawks.
		Border war.
		We've had a problem with them since the late 1800s.
		But that was what Alexander Hamilton argued in The Federalist, was that if we do not have a central federal government that puts us all in a, you know, whatever the arrangement was, 13 colonies, 13 states at the time, that they would be more willing to go to war with one another.
		And that the tensions between the states will be alleviated because they could seek redress throughout the federal government.
		And I think that that argument has been proven true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's actually fantastic, and it's partly how I describe international efforts, or I don't want to say globalism, because that has a connotation towards authoritarianism.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Because of one world government, if we were all under like Star Trek kind of a situation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I'm saying this, imagine the United States had sovereign rights over its borders and trade, but instead of war, we adjudicated things through a court.
		It's preferable to war.
		I don't want to see our troops overseas blowing up anybody or getting blown up.
		I don't want to see nukes fired.
		As much as it might suck, it's better.
		So, in that sense, there is a path towards... Can I blow your mind on the globalist?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		One thing real quick, Luke.
		I want to blow your mind here with a little, like, situation on the globalist thing, right?
		Would you rather live on an Earth that was a one-world government that was governed under the United States Constitution, or would you rather live in a world where it had hundreds of governments, but they were all like North Korea?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One world government with a constitution.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, you're a globalist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I've never, I've often talked about this.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Globalism is inevitable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've often said, how are we going to do it?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		So, one world government is inevitable in your mind.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Luke, get him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I was just going to say, that's the argument I was going to make, because what you were just saying, essentially, if you're saying, oh, we're all going to be together so we don't fight each other, why don't we just create a world government?
		Just like, you know, the Rockefellers has called for and centralize more power.
		But this is the core to my argument, right?
		There's centralization of power, there's a monopoly of power, and then there's decentralization.
		I think we should always be striving and pushing and advocating for the decentralization of power, not for the centralization of power.
		Because when you centralize it enough, you have a world government, and that's essentially the wet dream of many eugenicists and populations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're conflating a bunch of issues that don't need to be conflated, right?
		Your point about a one-world government under the American Constitution is a good one.
		If it was actually the American Constitution, that's a really, really good thing.
		The issue here is, you are correct about decentralization of power, Luke, but simply because we would have a very weak treaty between countries for adjudication of border disputes and resource disputes does not mean eugenicists will start massacring children.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Just like you were talking about annexing Canada, right?
		So if we added a 51st state, what you're talking about is moving towards, essentially, that one world government.
		What if Russia was just a state?
		What if Mexico was just a state, right?
		And then everyone was governed.
		See, that's why, like, you have to be careful when you say, oh, well, decentralization is good, because ultimately you could say, well, you know, North Korea is very decentralized, but it's not governed very well, right?
		So the question really is, are individual rights protected?
		That's what I think is really important.
		And so the question is, is when we talk about big government,
		is it the size of government that matters?
		Or is it if that government protects individual rights?
		And these are questions I ask myself.
		I don't know the answer to that because the American government is bigger than North Korea,
		but I would rather live in the American government that is bigger than North Korea.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Everyone works for the government in North Korea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're wrong.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But this is the thing.
		And there's a correlation between big governments and liberty going down.
		So when you look at that correlation historically, this is why you always... I don't disagree with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The North Korean government is bigger than our government.
		The North Korean government is absolute in their country from border to border.
		Everyone works for the government, is controlled by the government, and enslaved by the government.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But there are plenty of objective measures that the United States government is much larger than the United States
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		government.
		You're making...
		Budgetary...
		Yes, but hold on.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		You're making an argument...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		... bureaucratic...
		... employees...
		Okay, okay, I get it.
		You're making an argument about hard number to number.
		If I'm talking about crime in Omaha, Nebraska and New York, what matters?
		The hard numbers of murders or the per capita murders?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's per capita.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Per capita.
		If we're talking about the size of government, North Korea is as big as government can be.
		Just because they're a small country physically does not mean they're a smaller government than ours.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		100% government.
		Everybody's in the government.
		So I agree.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Everyone's spying for the government.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What percentage of the population is involved with working for the government?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, with the United States, I mean, look at New York.
		New York has between 30 and 40,000 cops out of 2.5 million just in Manhattan alone.
		That is very little.
		I disagree.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		You're wrong.
		And I'll tell you why.
		Because if the government of the United States wanted to accomplish what North Korea is doing, it could.
		And in many ways, it does.
		The size of the government can be measured.
		What you said is a subjective measurement.
		I could take my own measurements and say, yeah, per capita is fine.
		The laws of North Korea that exist are larger.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's define what you mean by government size.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm talking about the budget, the national budget.
		I'm talking about the number of bureaucracies that exist, the number of bureaucrats that work in those bureaucracies, the number of offices, appointed offices, right?
		The size and scope of the US federal government.
		By any objective measure, other than what that government can do to its citizens and the power that it has over its citizens, by that measurement, I would give that to you.
		North Korea is a larger government in that it can reach into its citizens' lives and accomplish more in controlling its citizens' lives than the U.S.
		federal government, which I think is what matters, right?
		That is what matters.
		But there can be an argument made that the United States government is larger.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the reason I would disagree with your assessment is that population size doesn't dictate size of government in any meaningful way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just because there's 330 million people here, by necessity you have people who work in government to a certain percentage, but that percentage is minuscule compared to North Korea.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Right, but it's my point that it doesn't matter necessarily what the size of government is, stands, because you would still rather live in a government that is governed under the United States, in a world that is governed under the U.S.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Constitution, than it is one that is decentralized republics, but they're all governed by like North Korea.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But I would even counter saying no one even respects the Constitution anymore.
		Do you think New York State respects the Second Amendment?
		They don't.
		They absolutely don't.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		And this idea of... The fact that they've had to change their laws to adjust to what the Supreme Court has done suggests that you're incorrect.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but at the same time look what the reality is in New York State.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Look what the reality that a lot of people are living under when their basic rights are being violated by the NSA, by the federal government spying on everything.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		You would get rid of the U.S.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Congress?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		But I would say... So how are you going to decentralize?
		Government is imperfect, but one of the most closest, you know, better ideas is of course the Constitution, but now we have to face the reality... How can you be for a national divorce?
		The argument I'm saying right now is that, sadly, a lot of federal bureaucrats, because there's so much government, they don't respect the Constitution.
		The idea of the Constitution is something that they don't even know and understand because of how big our bureaucracy is.
		And I would even argue that just two years ago, we lived under a North Korean-type government that went around, locked down businesses, and shut people's livelihoods down, and made them not even be able to, you know, walk around freely in many instances.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Depending on your state.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Didn't happen to us in Missouri.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Why?
		Because decentralization.
		Because states were able to decide what's right for themselves.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But if you lived in Australia... But the court cases that came out used the U.S.
		Constitution as precedent.
		So it was the federal government, ultimately, and the 14th Amendment that many of these court cases relied on.
		So if we had gone into, you know, national divorce, Luke, how could you have used the Constitution as precedent?
		You say they ignored it, but I mean the court cases suggest otherwise.
		And when Alex Jones goes to the Supreme Court, it will be the federal laws that he will use to protect him and his free speech.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But a lot of times that is interpreted up to the judges to make decisions that are not always beholden to the Constitution.
		The Constitution is not a perfect idea, but it's one of the best perfect ideas that we have come close to, and I agree with you.
		We should try to protect the Constitution, but at the same time we live in a reality where it's just been thrown to the side and we can't deny that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let's say idealistically, If the whole world was governed according to the U.S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Constitution, would that be a good thing?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		If people respected the Constitution, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying ideologically, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Sort of.
		It won't be perfect, but it's there.
		It's better than what we have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what do you think?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it's a start for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, Serge?
		Like Ian said, I think it's a start.
		I think it's a start.
		I think, for one, we're biased.
		We are all people who benefited from the U.S.
		Constitution, live in a country where we see its values.
		There are probably people in, say, China, who firmly believe in the hierarchy of the Chinese Communist Party, and they would be like, it's horrifying if people could lie and say whatever they wanted.
		It would harm the greater.
		I'm sure they would disagree with us.
		We're very individualist as a nation.
		And I think it's actually fascinating if you look back as to why that is.
		A bunch of people lived in Europe.
		The people who wanted to stay and be a part of the collective and live under that rule stayed.
		A bunch of other people for a variety of reasons said, I would rather live in a barren, you know, barren shoreline and figure it out.
		So what happens is you have a bunch of human beings in Europe, and there's the crown, there's the church, there's war and conflict, and many people say, I'm going to stay.
		A bunch of people, for religious reasons or political reasons, get in a boat.
		20% or so die on the boat.
		They land on shores that are empty and say, I'm going to make my own thing here.
		That small group of people had a bunch of kids.
		Those kids resulted in us.
		Surprise, surprise, hundreds of millions of people now are staunchly individualist.
		that means we're going to have those values and we want the rest of the world
		to retain those values for one reason because of how we live and how we think
unidentified		it is beneficial for other people to live. You know interventionism right this is why
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		you know foreign policy wise it's good to let other countries do it. I believe in liberty but
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		not enough to force it on anyone else. Just one more argument I wanted to make here and this is
		why I always believe that that decentralization is the key individual rights are the key here
		is is is like the supreme court.
		The Supreme Court is supposed to uphold the Constitution, right?
		It's supposed to be the checks and balances, but it depends if there's Democrats in power or if there's Republicans in power, what kind of laws you're going to get.
		And that's not because of the Constitution, that's because of political partisanship with people being activist judges deciding for themselves, you know what, I like this idea, We're in power.
		We're going to do this.
		We're going to force these ideas onto everyone.
		And that, to me, is a bad idea.
		And I think if we respected people's individual rights and didn't just go by this system, things would be a lot better.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's the thing.
		So you're in a paradox.
		We're all in this paradox, right?
		And we're going back to the Federalists versus the Anti-Federalists here and the writing of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
		The antifederalists didn't want the Constitution to be ratified.
		So when they knew that it was going to happen, they said, OK, well, if you're going to do this, we are going to write down these rights.
		And they came up with the Bill of Rights, right?
		The problem is, is that the antifederalists didn't believe that things like laws and rights really needed to be written down.
		But the Federalists, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, and others, they all said to themselves, well, in order to have a proper law, it has to be written down.
		So the Anti-Federalists didn't believe that, but they knew that their enemies did.
		They knew that their enemies believed that, so they said, you know what?
		We know that if we do not write down these ten rules, then they are going to take away our rights.
		So it becomes that paradox.
		Was it?
		Okay.
		So it was this paradox where it's like, well, we don't believe in written law, but we know that they do, and if we don't write down these laws in order to protect ourselves from them, then we're not going to have, you know, freedom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you know, they made some mistakes there.
		One of the mistakes was in the Second Amendment.
		Because they originally were going to say that being part of the military was not a requirement to bearing arms, because they wanted to make sure that everyone had the right to keep and bear arms, regardless of military service or otherwise.
		But they were scared that it would be used as a legal argument to end conscription, which was a necessity at the time.
		So they said, OK, we'll just take that language out.
		Here we are.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the militia, right?
		So George Mason, George Washington's hunting buddy, had something to say about that.
		He said specifically in the Constitutional Convention, when they were asked about what it meant, I asked, Sir, what is the militia?
		It is the whole of the people minus a few public officials.
		And that right there ought to be enough to tell you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was 17 articles approved by the House, August 24th, 1789.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I think the first was specifically about 35,000 people per representative.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		And you know, they… But how fascinating to have a paradox like that, right?
		If you're an anti-federalist, you say, I don't think the Constitution should be written.
		I don't think laws should be written down at all.
		But legal positivists who were the federalists said, well, we believe the laws need to be written down.
		And the anti-federalists, knowing that they were not a majority, have to say,
		let's… OK, we'll write down some laws just to make sure that we're
		protecting ourselves.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me read the original Second Amendment, which was called the Fifth Article.
		A well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
		And they were like, okay, hold on there a minute.
		We have conscription.
		We should probably get rid of that."
		And thus, we ended up with the fourth article.
		They condensed some.
		I think the third and the fourth articles are both the First Amendment, and they got combined into one.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		An important word in there, too, is well-regulated, because the liberals seized on that, of course, with regulations.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But in the late 1700s, to be well-regular meant that you were a good shot.
unidentified		Right?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Not to be controlled, but that you had self-control.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it meant a variety of things.
		It just meant functional.
		A functional militia.
		It means your weapons work, it means you have boots, it means you know what you're doing.
		Right.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But if you were well regular, that meant that you were a good shot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the funny thing is, now, people don't understand language changes.
		Actually, no, I think the left very, very much understands language changes.
		And that if they can change the understanding of a word, they can change the law.
		Like changing the definition of woman.
		It just undermines completely the Civil Rights Act of 1960.
		I think it's 64.
		Was it 67?
		I'm specifically referring to, I think, Title IX or whatever that protected women's rights.
		If you change the definition of woman to a social construct, then you delete from the law books women's protections under the law.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Or the definition of vaccine.
		That's another one that, of course, also changed definitions.
		There's a lot of changing definitions in this kind of New Orwellian word.
		play that I think a lot of people are playing into, because they understand that if you're able to change the meaning of things, you're able to manipulate them in your own favor, and the people who control a lot of the language also, of course, do this with big tech social media.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You wanna know one of the best amendments, though?
		It's that, uh, what is it?
		In suits at common law where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of a trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States than according to the rules of the common law.
		Twenty bucks!
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That was a lot of money back then.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know!
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		It's like the National Firearms Act.
		When they first pass it, they're like, $200 to buy a Tommy gun.
		And they're like, nobody will be able to afford that.
		Back then, they couldn't afford it.
		Now, it's like, oh, $200 so that you can get your own family.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I just want to point out, I love that point as the Federal Reserve backfired horribly on the gun control people.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Sam Adams, how strangely will the tools of a tyrant pervert the plain meanings of words?
		Tyrants have always used language to pervert the plain meanings of words to turn it around to their advantage.
		And that's exactly what the left does with the Second Amendment.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You were talking about the paradox of wanting to be left alone, or the anti-federalists saying, we don't want laws, we don't need these laws, so why write them down?
		But then they had to write down laws to protect their ability to not have to live.
		It's kind of like libertarianism in general.
		They want to be left alone.
		But in order to do that, you have to create laws that guarantee your ability to be left alone.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		Yeah.
		And that's why I don't venture into the anarchist thing that they want to sell heroin to five-year-olds.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is anarchism like a sect of libertarianism?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like extremists?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Well, anarchists... I agree with a lot of what they have to say.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Just, you know, not the heroine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anarchy means without authority.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that seems like an extreme position.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		No rulers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because without a federal authority, without some sort of overarching... Is it really all that extreme?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		It's just mob rule.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		You're going to make me stand up for the anarchists tonight.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't really know.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Anarchy exists all around us in many ways.
		I mean, the free market itself is anarchy.
		The black market itself is anarchy.
		Anarchy is all around us in nature and in many ways.
		The internet, to some degree, at least it was, was very anarchic.
		It doesn't mean without order.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But let's be real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's too many people and somebody's got to work at McDonald's, right?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		The world needs ditch diggers, too, our friends.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You made a good point.
		The majority of our lives is without central controllers, is without government, and things figure themselves out.
		Things don't go chaotic.
		Things don't go crazy.
		There's even entire populations in Mexico, entire cities, that got rid of their governments, and they're living a life that's a lot more peaceful than it was with the government.
		This is specifically the city of Tehran.
		Tens of thousands of people living peacefully together, and when they got rid of the government, they also got rid of the drug cartels.
		They also got rid of the police.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I get it, I get it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I understand, but if people really get rid of government, then how do I exploit them to steal from them?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned the free market as anarchy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't agree, because I think that it's the people with all the money or the richest that are controlling the market and deciding, especially the banking establishment, Bank of International Asset Management.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Why are they rich?
		They're rich because the government gave them an upper Well, because they were born into it.
		They gave them an advantage.
		They made sure that companies got, you know, in a situation that an average person couldn't get into.
		And this is why we have such big monopolies when it comes to big tech social media.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That's why big corporations hate free markets.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		They hate capitalism.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And they want more taxes.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Mark Zuckerberg is the biggest advocate for regulating social media.
		Why?
		Because he knows that he's gonna write the laws.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The auto industry and the banks should have collapsed.
		And then something could have emerged in their wake to fill the hole and it would have functioned better.
		But instead, the government intervened.
		They printed money that diluted our savings to prop up failures.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And we could have had a better fall-proof system that actually worked to everyone's benefit, but we don't have that.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		We have another system that's going to collapse soon and impact everyone that much more negatively because we keep propping up and being welfare queens to the big corporations that are calling the shots.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But the heart of the evil at this is always the Federal Reserve.
		When we lost the control over the power of money, that is when we lost our freedoms.
		Because money was not a creation of governments initially, right?
		We had money before we had governments.
		It was always a voluntary means of exchange.
		But once we created this public-private venture in the Federal Reserve, we gave away all of our autonomy.
		Because it is the power to print.
		The power to print is the power to destroy.
		The power to print is the power to control.
		The power to print is the central power over all of us.
		The Federal Reserve is, to me, the issue.
		I know that we have other issues, education and things like that, but ending the Federal
		Reserve would probably be the greatest, most revolutionary, liberating act in American
		history.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've done it twice.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		And we need to do it again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they put Jackson on the 20.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I agree it's a problem.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		The late 1800s, the free banking era, the Scottish free banking era, the monetary anarchy
		of the not so wild west of the late 1800s in Grover Cleveland.
		It was a gilded age.
		They call it the age of Robert Barron.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that's when you have prosperity.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But it was the gilded age.
		It was a golden era of American history.
		The left wants us to forget.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't free.
		You were still run by robber barons.
		Vanderbilt controlled.
		He decided if New York was going to get food or not.
		So we had to create antitrust laws and we needed government because an economy absent of government is chaos and whoever's born into the money controls the economy.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		If I had another hour and a half to go into this.
		They call them robber barons.
		I prefer to think of them as benevolent philanthropists.
		These men did so much.
		Not only did they do philanthropy with the money that they had, and there are still buildings to Carnegie in New York to these great men.
		of our society. But you know, you shouldn't tarnish their their image by believing the
		leftist histrionics on this because this was a great time of American prosperity, right?
		The tail end of the Industrial Revolution and the height of the progressive era as it came in
		into the late 1800s, the early 1900s was one of the greatest periods of American history.
		It was when we had one of the freest immigration systems.
		Sorry, Trumpers.
		But it was a time of American free market capitalism.
		Freewheeling free market capitalism.
		The best place, the best resources that you can get on this would be the Not So Wild West.
		You can get that from Mises.
		And you can also read On the Great Depression, you want to go to fee.org, Foundation for Economic Education, fee.org, and read the myths of the Great Depression.
		Because we used to have recessions, and we used to have bankruptcies.
		Banks used to go bankrupt.
		If a bank was issuing funny money or phony money, doing what the Federal Reserve is doing, they would go bankrupt, right?
		Yeah, it used to mean something, right?
		And you'd have liquidation and you'd have competition.
		Why do we have banks, one bank, setting the interest rate for the entire country?
		We're all suffering.
		I was talking to my old sensei down in Old Town.
		He wants to buy a dojo because he's getting forced out of his dojo and he can't because the interest rates and what they are.
		But that's one small group of central bankers deciding that.
		But you could have competition.
		You could actually have a money market account that you would make money off of if we
		didn't have a monopoly power.
		But it's the communist revolution that has taken over in this country.
		We have instituted the, not only have we instituted the planks of the Communist Manifesto,
		but we've also instituted the German Workers Party of the 1920s.
		I won't say their name.
		We've instituted a lot of their planks as well here.
		But it is the control of money and credit that is the evil and sidious power that controls us all
		and prevents us from really instituting the kind of free market capitalism that
		would lift those people that you're talking about out of poverty.
		They would have more options.
		They didn't like a bank, they would be able to go down to the bank next door.
		Bank of America couldn't cancel, or JPMorgan Chase couldn't cancel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, let's talk about war.
		Let's say we get a decentralized, very anarchic system.
		Not completely, maybe it's very, very libertarian.
		Banks are failing and then new ones are emerging.
		What about, say, communist China?
		Very, very centralized, very authoritarian, very expansionist.
		We ignore it.
		What happens when a Soviet bloc or Chinese Communist Party-style thing starts creating a unipolar world under their footprint?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to let me answer that?
		Communism has shown that in the short term it can't have power and it can't have strength.
		But capitalism has won out in the long term.
		The mistakes that the neoconservatives made, the people under Bill Buckley and Ronald Reagan, is that they believed that in order to beat communism that we had to adopt Tenants and planks of communism, right?
		They the the what was the space race and the missile was the arms race between the United States and Russia
		This was the belief they they believed that capitalism had failed to provide
		The United States with the type of military strength that was necessary to defeat communism
		But if you look at any economic measure of Russia It wasn't necessarily the spending on the space race or on
		the arms race that bankrupted Russia Russia was failing on its own accord and it was a Potemkin
		villages that were all across Russia, you know for decades You know their economy was always on the verge of collapse
		now the neo-communist Conservatives thought that by spending more that they would tip them over they ended up being right But I wouldn't say that one necessarily one correct fact doesn't prove an entire theory, you know free market capitalism Is it a perfect system?
		No, is it a better system than communism by any standard or measure?
		So so can communism show its strength in the short term?
		Sure, you know if you force people it's like, you know, Mussolini got the trains running on time but where did he end up right hanging in it, you know hanging alongside his Yeah, and it doesn't end well for you.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Specifically, also, when you look at China, a lot of people are saying, look at all the centralization, look how, you know, Justin Trudeau's like, it's amazing how they could control their economy just at a, at a, what did he say exactly?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I forgot the exact term.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said he, like, he admired the fact that they had so much control over their economy.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		You can sit on a throne of bayonets, but not for long.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But at the same time, we have to understand, China's dealing with their own unique problems.
		Even though Justin Trudeau is looking at them like, yeah, this is great, this is awesome, this is amazing, Bill Gates is complimenting them, they're still dealing with a major housing crisis, with a major infrastructure crisis, a major national resource crisis, a population crisis, a currency crisis, and their society is literally at the brink of collapse because of the centralization and not allowing individuals to be free and creative and to solve the problems that the central controllers are creating.
		So again, at the end of the day, you know...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It all comes down to one thing, though.
		Government is completely irrelevant with culture.
		So if you had, uh, let me tell you, you want to know how communism could work?
		If every single person, every single person within your country,
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		doesn't need...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Communist government agreed ideologically on the core principles and tenets and, and, and ideology.
		So let's say you had, let's say you have a million fundamentalist Christians who all follow the Bible to the T, defer to their religious scholars and theologians for advice.
		You are going to function very, very well.
		But the only problem is that's idealistic, not realistic.
		So invariably what happens is communists say, we can do it as long as everyone just follows the rules.
		And then someone comes in and says, but Premier, 17% of the population won't.
		I have an idea.
		Let's kill them.
		And then that's what you end up getting, the psychotic authoritarian dictatorship.
		You will never achieve 100% ideological conformity.
		So there needs to be a system, I think we've done a really great job in the United States
		of allowing people of different ideas to kind of come together, but there is an outer limit.
		At a certain point, you spread so thin, you end up with activists defending conservative
		Islam in the same breath as LGBTQ education, and then you end up with protests between
		those groups who are completely at odds with each other.
		At a certain point, ideologies cannot function under the same umbrella without conflict.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		conflict without fighting. Yeah, we need more umbrellas, that's for sure. Like this one person represents 70,000
		people. 700,000 people. Either way, the number's insane.
		One person represents themselves. I can't represent Luke effectively. There's no way. And one of the main reasons we're
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		facing such big problems here in the United States is because of the centralization, is because of this banking
		system, because of all the people saying, I am on top of the government, I have all this power, I have all this
		influence, it's all for me, me, me, me, me.
		The individual can't solve their problems because there's too much regulations, there's too much taxes, there's too much bureaucracy in the way, standing between the monopolies that are being propped up by the federal government.
		Because normally people would say, hey, I don't want to be banking at JPMorgan Chase that's financing Jeffrey Epstein.
		Hey, I don't want to be participating in this larger system.
		I want another system that works for me better and doesn't create more problems.
		But now we have a lot of problems because of that centralization.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That's a paradox for you, Luke, and I wonder what you think about this, right?
		So Ian, you know, talked about the representation, right?
		One person representing 700,000 people, right?
		So in order to help aid decentralization, should we increase the House of Representatives size in order so that people are more represented, a fewer amount of people per representative?
		Do you think it's a good idea?
		Would that actually help our liberty by sending more Congress people to Washington?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I haven't thought about it in a long-term perspective.
		Automatically, my knee-jerk reaction is, hell no!
		No, no, no, no!
		I don't want any of that!
		But I haven't thought about the long-term consequences, and it's a big hypothetical question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's something, right?
		I think we would have, what, like 7,000 members of Congress if we scaled for population?
		So, if more bureaucrats isn't going to do it, What if we whittled everything down to a smaller and smaller number until maybe there was like one person who just ran things for us, and then instead of having to deal with elections, their kids took over once they died, and then that family could just deal with the responsibility.
		What would that be like?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		We'd end up with Meghan Markle.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I got a better idea.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		What if we create an idea of government that is called a representative democracy, but in reality secret corporations behind the scenes and bankers really control all the shots, and we give people this pretend ability that they actually have a voice and that their vote actually matters, and then actually we just do whatever the hell we want, which is exactly what the hell is happening right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This was the plutonomy report we talked about a little while ago, came out a long time ago, that basically Powerful interests control the economy and the government and the opinion of the public is meaningless.
		They did a study, they found something like if public opinion is like 100% in favor of an idea, it won't matter about the bill being passed.
		It's only when 60% of like the wealthiest individuals support an idea does it become law.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, and it's all a scam.
		And when you look at what the government's doing right now, they're not upholding the Constitution.
		They're doing whatever they want.
		They're taking brute force.
		Anyone standing in their way, they either get thrown in jail, they get audited by the IRS, or they get totally screwed over where they don't even have the ability to speak on social media.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Another paradox, though, but Tim, you've identified something there when you talk about when 60% of the wealthy and the powerful people have an idea, then only, and only then can it become law.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, wasn't the Constitutional Convention just the wealthy elites of the United States gathering together in secret, putting together a document that would govern all of us?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and here's the best part.
		In some of these state conventions, they weren't even legitimately elected by the state.
		It was people in the state who agreed with independence who elected someone to go down, and the people who weren't in favor of it had no idea.
		So it is fascinating.
unidentified		But you know, look, Constitution of no authority, right, Luke?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it was Plato that, you know, the penalty for failing to be involved in politics is to be ruled by the ignorant or something.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		By your inferiors.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		By your inferiors.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, for the people who cared and paid attention and were saying, we need to fight this problem, and they got active, and they set the standard, well then, good for them.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That's the people who fight, the people who participate.
		And that's what our government really was supposed to be, right?
		And that's why we have an electoral college.
		Have you ever been an elector?
		Have any of you ever been electors?
		So I went through the process to become an elector for Ron Paul in New York, and you have to go through a series of processes in order to actually become a person who is going to be allowed to vote.
		And I like that, right?
		So the Democrats talk about, you know, oh, we need to reduce barriers to voting.
		I don't agree with that.
		I like the idea that the people who show up to vote on issues are the most informed, they're the most educated, they're the most involved.
		That the people who only show up to vote once every four years are not dictating to the rest of us how things should be.
		You should have to show up at council meetings.
		You should have to put your name down on a piece of paper.
		And government should go to those who show up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So service guarantees citizenship?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not entirely opposed to that.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not entirely opposed to the idea that being able to govern, that you have to participate or perform some form of public service.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're familiar with Starship Trooper.
unidentified		The only good bug is a dead bug.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think the idea is actually very much worth exploring.
		I wouldn't say I'm definitive on it.
		The idea that service guarantees citizenship.
		Basically, everybody gets full constitutional rights, but if you want to vote in the system, you have to have provided some kind of service, be it community service, military service.
		Just contribute.
		Just contribute.
		So, a lot of people think that phrase means military.
		No, no, no, it means you could be like a lifeguard.
		It's like, you're a part of the system to help make it work, you can vote.
		But if you're not involved, and if you're not involved in it, why would you be voting on what everyone else is doing?
		Yeah.
		So I think that's interesting because right now one of the problems we have is that Democrats absolutely rely on stupid people and exploiting stupid people.
		Republicans, for a while, did too.
		The Uniparty was one big machine that exploited the stupidity of the entire country.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ignorance, ignorant people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ignorant people.
		Definitely a better way to phrase it.
		Now you have A rising faction, the children of the Ron Paul love revolution and others, who are paying attention, questioning what the government is doing, demanding answers as to why it's being done in their name, wondering where their money is going, and this is creating a very serious problem for Uniparty, but it's also creating a new faction of people who are like, hey, maybe we shouldn't be invading foreign countries, wasting our money on this stuff, maybe we should focus on ourselves.
		But then you very much have what the Democrat Party goes after, and that's people who don't pay attention and just do whatever they're told makes them fit in.
unidentified		What they feel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What makes them fit in.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Luke, you must have really loved watching the MAGA Trumpers destroy the neocons and seeing the new Republican Party, because when you and I were activists for Ron Paul in New York City together from around 2008 to 2012, our greatest enemy were the neoconservatives.
		We were fighting against the bushy Republicans.
		We were fighting against The David Frums.
		We were fighting against the Bill Crystals.
		And then Donald Trump came in and accomplished what you and I had been trying to do for years.
		And now we have the situation where maybe we don't agree always with the stated aims of MAGA Trumpers.
		You know, the populism does lend itself to a form of Republican Socialism that you and I might not agree with.
		But isn't it fascinating now that our opponents have shifted and that no longer the neocons are a shadow of what they once were?
		We're no longer worried about Mitt Romney.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they joined the Democratic Party?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where they came from.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		The neoconservatives came in from in the 1970s.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I'm not gonna say I wasn't entertained, but any kind of political infighting is always great to me, because when politicians and governments are fighting each other, they're not fighting the people, which they're usually doing.
		But at the same time, you know, Donald Trump did put in John Bolton.
		John Bolton was also that key person that we were protesting against and standing up
		against because his viewpoint was absolutely insane.
		But to bring it back to the point that we were just discussing here, you know, we look
		at history 500 years ago, and we look at people and we kind of think that they were backwards
		because they had a king and a monarch.
		I think from 500 years from now, we're going to be looking back at the people now and be
		like, these idiots believed in the presidential scam?
		I can't believe they allowed them to get away with this and didn't have personal responsibility
		and live their lives to their own kind.
		Hold on, hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's what's going to happen.
		In a hundred years, we're all going to be brainlinked, in Neuralink, in Mark Zuckerberg Zuckerverse, and then we're all going to be like, everything has always been good.
		Mark Zuckerberg has always been our leader.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's a little bit of a negative.
		Visualization.
		I like to be a little bit more of a, you know, positive person.
		And I think we do dictate our own reality with some of the thoughts that we create in our minds.
		And we should always be positive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me flip this one then.
		It's a hundred years.
		We're all floating around in our anti-grav boots with our brains connected to the neural link, praising the Zuckerverse when a ragtag group of Rutkowskians break into the main server farm for the Zuckerverse and take out the main central server.
		And all of a sudden everyone just goes, I'm free!"
		And then all of the children of the Luke Rydkowski revolution are like, a great man brought us here.
		And they're holding a picture of an old man Luke, smiling and giving a thumbs up.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Stop with the fighting!
		Peaceful resolution and learn to respect other people and not hurt them and not steal from them.
		If we just had those two principles, life would be amazing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, then here's what it is.
		It's a hundred years, everyone's floating around their Zuckerverse programs, and then
		a Rakowskian peacefully walks in and delivers a crystal.
		And the Zuckerbergians are like, what's this?
		And then all of a sudden a pulse of energy goes out, shutting the servers down, and everyone
		says, you have awakened us, Luke.
		You have saved us, and we are grateful, and everyone hugs.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Listen, the Zucker lizards are not going to be in charge here, okay?
		Free humanity usually prevails, and if you look at human history, we have been making progressions.
		Progressions towards more liberty, more freedom, more decentralization.
		I think we need more of it, and I think when we have that, we have human progression.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Luke, do you find yourself now, like, more in agreement and happier that the more Pat Buchananite-style Republicans, the populist Republicans, are more of the of the majority of the Republican Party versus the neoconservatives, knowing that neoconservatives tend to agree with us libertarians on things like the war on drugs and on immigration, and that the MAGA Trump, like, national conservative types do not agree with us on immigration, they do not agree with us on the war on drugs and social issues and things like that.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Do you find yourself, you know, happier now that the more Buchananites are the... the absurd that you can work with them more than, like, the Romneyites or the... Personally, I'm not a fan of any politician.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think all of them should have their feet to the fire.
		I'm critical of all of them.
		And during the Trump era, I was very critical of them.
		And just like I am with anyone in power, because I think anyone in power always deserves criticism.
		And I think the more we do that, the better government is.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Fundamentalist, right?
		Like I am, right?
		So we both believe in, like, the free market, the unfettered free market power.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I'm not as rigid in my point of views.
		I'm a lot more flexible, especially when it comes to a case-by-case basis, because I think it all depends on the current circumstances, because when you look at immigration, you've also got to factor in welfare.
		You also have to factor in, you know, the tax system we have right now that's taking our money away and incentivizing a lot of this stuff.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		So then we can't legalize drugs because people might use welfare money to buy drugs then, right?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a very, you know, that's a very kind of layered argument there.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Look, I got you there, buddy!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, I'm saying everything's by case-by-case basis, but at the end of the day, I think I always lean towards less government, less regulations, less taxes, less centralization, less bureaucracy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Less welfare, less drug laws.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I'm just fascinated by the discussion on the right that is, you know, the abandonment of free market principles and the advocacy of many of these national conservatives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It just comes down to one thing.
		The right needs to understand.
		The laws are meaningless.
		The culture is everything.
		And the example I'd like to give is that you can have a law on the book like you can't protest at an abortion clinic.
		And you can have another law on the book.
		You can't protest at a judge's house.
		But if your culture only enforces one thing, the laws are irrelevant.
		What are we seeing?
		We had, I think, eleven or twelve pro-lifers arrested for protesting at an abortion clinic.
		None of the protesters at the judge's house got arrested.
		That's a cultural problem.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that the laws are irrelevant, but I think I would agree with you that the culture is more important.
		I do think that the culture war needs to happen and we need to be at the forefront.
		And I'm glad that's why you're doing what you're doing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying that if this whole country All completely agreed on cultural issues, you would have no crime.
		Yeah, true.
		But because they don't, starving people.
unidentified		Don't know about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean quite literally.
		I mean, for the most part, crime would be dramatically gone.
		It would be minuscule.
		There would be acts of desperation.
		But the issue is we don't view each other as neighbors, and it's a question of the morals of the culture.
		If this entire country was staunchly Christian and conservative, like many of the more libertarian, MAGA-type Christians, then there'd probably be no crime.
		Everybody would be more fearful.
		Again, lesser crime, but to an extreme degree.
		Yes, definitely.
		So, I'll put it this way.
unidentified		Without law, how would you call it a crime?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not just that.
		If everybody held the ideology of Jack Posobiec and his family, you're gonna have very little crime if anything, people are gonna work, and they're gonna try to find ways to get along.
		I'm just using Jack, I'm using you as an example.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but if Jack was in desperate poverty and his family was suffering and starving,
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		his children were starving, he'd probably steal food for his kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, because Jack's ideology is communal giving and support.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's in a position to be able to have that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that means, this is my point, if everybody agreed on how it should work, then you have
		a functioning homogenized system.
		I'm saying it's impossible.
		So but the point is, when, right, when this country has a culture that to a great degree,
		like 80% is held by everybody, then you're going to have things where people are all
		basically in agreement and not arguing with each other.
		You're not gonna have culture conflict.
		You're not gonna have religious fighting and things like that because everyone- But you have to get rid of other people's religions.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That would be a problem.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But get rid of, if we're in a place like we are now, which is the challenge we face.
		What I'm saying is, a long, long time ago, when you had very small tribes, They all agree with each other.
		As you scale it and get bigger and add different ideologies to the mix, you start getting internal conflict.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		We have what's called inter-species conflict.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's culture shock.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is global culture shock.
		This is what happens when cultures mingle, and it all happened between 2007 to 2022.
		We're experiencing this massive consciousness shock.
unidentified		God, yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		2007 to 2022 we're experiencing this massive consciousness shock. Yes. You're so right our phones. Yeah. No, you're
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		right You come into conflict with people just by virtue of being around them and hearing their views, right?
		And people struggle with that.
		It's difficult.
		When I came into D.C.
		from Missouri the other day, it was shocking to go from rural Missouri to Washington, D.C., and to be into this culture.
		You have to shift your attitudes.
		You've got to get along with these people and interact with them in a way that they want to interact.
		When you go and buy something at a checkout line here, you better move fast.
		You better make your decision right away.
		But in Missouri, you can take your time.
		You can hear what they have to say, right?
		And when you go to Missouri, you better get along with how Missourians are.
		So you're absolutely correct that this is an international culture shock.
		The internet has facilitated it, right?
		Mass communication.
		But also just mass travel.
		You know, a hundred years ago, it wasn't easy for people of modest means to be able to get in a Airbus, and go around the world and travel together.
		So we are experiencing the long-term kind of ramifications of, you know, these face-to-face interactions that were not possible before, right?
		Because what Tim was saying with the tribes that all lived together, they were homogenous, they all lived together.
		But we live in a heterogeneous world, and we've all got to figure out a way to live together, not just here in the United States between ourselves, but internationally as well.
		And that's a problem.
		That's why there's conflict, and that's why there's war.
		I don't believe in utopia, right?
		That literally means no place.
		Right, so I don't think that there will ever be that situation, that there's no crime.
		I don't even believe that, like you said, if most people, you know, agreed on everything and had Jack Postovic's views, that there would be no crime.
		I think, you know, mental illness and other factors would involve people.
		Crimes of passion, cheating.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, obviously I'm not saying there's not going to be deviation and fault.
		I'm saying there's a lot of conflict bred by people who don't view each other as neighbors.
		They don't view each other, they don't agree on morality.
		There are people who believe children should get sex changes and people who don't.
		If everybody agreed on the core issues, then your conflicts would be minimal.
		They would exist obviously because mental illness exists and poverty exists, of course.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I just think people are rebellious.
		People just like oppositional defiance disorder.
		Like, when you're this, I want to be that, right?
		I think that that's kind of like our childish nature, right?
		But there's something to that, and a new culture would develop.
		You'd never be able to create a real monoculture because people want to create a culture within a culture.
		It's the reason why different sects of Christianity exist, right?
		And because of the telephone game, everybody's going to interpret what they hear.
		It doesn't matter.
		We have more sources and availability of information, and yet we have more misunderstanding and disunderstanding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's because you have evil people.
unidentified		True.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, you have people who intentionally lie to gain political power.
		They won't have conversations.
		They won't engage.
		They claim to be socialists, but they buy mansions, things like that.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And there's a lot of sociopaths.
		And where do the sociopaths usually gather?
		At the largest positions of power.
		So I think this is why we need to have less positions of power over everyone's life.
		Because at the end of the day, the government is looking at people and saying, you, the people, can't be trusted.
		Well, what's the government made of?
		The people!
		Of individuals who are not perfect, who shouldn't be trusted.
		And of course, a high level of sociopaths, which are located in Washington, D.C., more per capita than anywhere else in Washington, D.C., are the ones controlling your life, telling you what to do?
		No!
		I don't want that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The paradox I have is I don't like representative democracy very much because you can't represent me properly I need to represent myself but I'm also concerned with mob mentality and mob rule because if we don't have people in charge then the mob can switch on a dime from an internet video and go vote some crazy new murder and so like at what point do you have to or should you give over your authority to someone else?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't think you should.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I think you should be personally responsible for yourself, and I think... Grandma can't always stay at the farm to make sure that nobody steals her chickens, so she's going to have to grant authority to the local police to be able to do something like that for you.
		People are going to divest their authority to someone else, and there's always going to be that transfer of power from one person to another, and that's going to happen voluntarily, right?
		You know, the more voluntarily, the better.
		But I wanted to tell you a brief story about the early days of the internet.
		Some of you probably know this.
		I bet you, Tim, you will.
		But talking about misinformation and disinformation, they found that the way to prevent people from falling for fake news in the early days of internet forums was to actually create more fake news.
		And I wish that this would get more publicity because it was talked, they wrote about it
		in Wired Magazine, because people would post when they would ask questions about how to,
		you know, install their sound card or modem or whatever.
unidentified		Put the wrong, you're saying to put the wrong, the wrong thing down.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		They would deliberately give the wrong information.
		They would flood the boards with disinformation because what they found was that the more
		disinformation, the more people adjusted to realize, I need to be skeptical and now I
		know that I need to check my information before I do it because I know that that's out there.
		That's why I don't believe in internet censorship.
		That's why I think Alex Jones should be on Twitter.
		That's why I think, you know, anybody, more information is good, even disinformation, because people will naturally make mistakes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's why they're getting rid of it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think that that has diminishing, maybe diminishing return, because if a parent's like, I'm lying to you because I love you, to teach you how to learn to deal with lies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if their kid sucks?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like parents who tell their kids Santa's real, and then eventually the kid learns through being mocked by their friends that their parents lied to them and it made them a laughingstock.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that happened to me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it didn't help.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hear a lot of these stories where parents, you know, tell their kids Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Santa.
		Then they go to school, and eventually what happens is one group of parents determines five is too old to believe in Santa, another parent says seven is too old.
		That six-year-old then meets the other six-year-old, and they start making fun of him, saying, you're so dumb you believe in Santa, we learned that a long time ago, the kid gets mad, it's my parents lied to me.
		And then they're gonna be like, my parents play tricks on me for reasons I don't understand.
		So you gotta be careful about these traditions too.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I see your point about learning how to discern between truth and lies, though.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you're never lied to, then how will you know if someone's lying to you, or how will you know lies can happen?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like one amazing Randy, James Randy, he used to participate in experiments, not experiments, but they would actually go to tribes in Africa and deliberately trick them, pretend to be witch doctors.
		And they did it in order to show them that, hey, the medicine men who come through here are just trying to screw you over.
		So they showed them the tricks of the trade.
		Remember when they used to go and they would look like they were pulling out some evil from their guts and things like that?
		They would go and do these magic shows, and Penn and Teller did this all the time, in order to show that they were being fooled.
		I mean, Penn and Teller are probably the most famous for that.
		But I think that there's value in that, in deliberately deceiving in order to inform and educate.
		I think that that's a legitimate strategy.
		But I also think that it happens by default.
		That's why, you know, disinformation online, misinformation, conspiracy theories, whatever it is, everything should be allowed as long, you know, other than perhaps threats of direct violence.
		I'm going to kill you.
		Like if Ethan had said, no, I'm going to put you in the camps or whatever to... On this day, at this time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That becomes imminent when you specify a day and a time.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But otherwise, it should be anything goes in order that people might be educated.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think Ethan should be suspended for being a dick.
		I think it should be allowed.
		He was being a dick, though.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I think he was trying to be funny, but he failed.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I think he was trying to be funny, but it wasn't funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I understand the point he was trying to make.
		I think it was crude, and I think he should be allowed to say it.
		Look, I gotta be honest, I wouldn't boycott him over it.
		I wouldn't cancel him over it.
		I'd be like, come on, bro.
		And then I'd move on with my life.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		There's some weird people out there.
		My buddy Joe, who's with me tonight, was telling me about this Jewish friend of his and she's like, I think Jews should be sent off.
		And he's like, well, you are a Jew.
		And she's like, and I would be, I would round them all up and I would be the last one to go.
		She's like, what?
		I'm not kidding.
		You probably know who this person is, but I won't say the name, but I'm just saying that, like, you know, you ought to be able to post something like that.
		You ought to be able to say something like that because it's ridiculous.
		Well, the best thing, here's the thing.
		The best way for us to know who the crazy people are is to let them say it.
unidentified		How are we supposed to know who's crazy, who's a dick, who's a racist?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a story.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		It's like the bake the cake thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a story.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		We want to know who the homophobes are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a story.
		I went to Europe.
		And I was at a protest, I think it was for Count Dankula or something, and I was having a conversation about an individual in the United States.
		And I said, this individual has said racial slurs before.
		And this British guy goes, no he hasn't.
		And then I was like, it was a passive comment.
		And I was like, yeah, you know, when the dude goes on his show and starts saying X, Y, and Z, it's kind of like you're going too far.
		And this guy goes, he never said that.
		And I was like, yeah, he did.
		I was like, it was like a big thing.
		They made a bunch of stories about it.
		They said he was pushing the boundaries.
		And he goes, BS, you made that up.
		And I grabbed my phone.
		I'm in London.
		And I Google it.
		Nothing comes up.
		And I'm like, where's the story?
		I scrolled down to the bottom and it said, due to offensive posts or whatever, they've been removed.
		And I'm like, yo, I can't even prove that this guy said these things, and this guy thinks I'm lying about it now.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The censorship actually helped the racist guy.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That's happened to me before too, yeah.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Because they pulled down posts and I'm like, hey, this guy was lying about this, he said this back in the day, and then they went and they pulled it, and it's like, Damn, I can't prove that this is misinformation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about this real quick.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones, when he got banned, they didn't just silence him, they deleted everything he ever said on the platform.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So he can't even comply with Discovery right now, but a bigger point to censorship, it helps out radical voices.
		It makes people more radical.
		More extreme than they would normally be, because now, to speak, they have to go to the far corners of the internet, where all of this is a safe space, and they just keep pushing and pushing, you know, the envelope.
		Creating niches.
		To the craziest point that they can.
		If you really want to dispel it, you counter it.
		There's bad information, you counter it with good information.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Governments need enemies, and that's why the whole, like, domestic terrorist, white supremacist thing, right?
		They fashion it, right?
		That's why Ray Epps, right?
		They fashion it, they have to fabricate it, if they can't, if it doesn't come naturally.
		It's like racism, right?
		The demand for racism has outstripped the supply.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think governments need opponents and opposition.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Whether or not it becomes an enemy is kind of like, we don't want it to become an enemy, that's why we are our own opposition.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're gonna go to Super Chats.
unidentified		Alright.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you haven't already, would you kindly smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com to support our work directly.
		Hope you're enjoying your Friday night.
		Let's read what we got.
		Josh says, Alex Jones has to colonize Mars, then gift it to the families.
		It's the only way.
		Or, or, hold on, hear me out.
		Alex Jones could conquer France.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then turn it over, you know.
unidentified		You can just have France.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Canada.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		You gotta take Canada.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mimic says nonsense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If he is in order to pay at least eleventy-seventeen gazillion dollars, there is obviously no justice in this country.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He did an interview with Ping Trip, which looks like a fake interview.
		It's pretty well done.
		And he was like, why didn't they just do a quadrillion, man?
		And he didn't say man, that was mean.
		Quadrillion!
		What are they waiting by?
		Why stop?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maximus Reedus said, you defend Ethan's threat, not Kanye saying our word.
		I think both were crass and both should be allowed.
		It's not hard.
unidentified		Yeah, it's free speech.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Kanye, I actually, I think what Kanye said was funny, but it was crass, but I also think it's going to get a lot of young people to vote against Democrats.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, did you see Pierce's face right after that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
		Scruffy Knight says, the gay cake issue mentioned last night is not complicated.
		Cakes are a works of art, especially custom.
		You cannot compel someone to make a work of art, especially with politics opposed by the artist.
		Simple as that.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I never liked that argument just because it's sort of, it legitimizes the law, right, where the Civil Rights Act of 1964's Title II, you know, attempts to make these delineations right in terms of discrimination.
		Because I really do think that it should just simply be a private property issue, not that we need to get into, oh, is this a work of art or that a work of art?
		Because what you're doing there is you're allowing the government to start to, you know, to make the delineation between what is art and what isn't art.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, Tim, a year ago was members meetup.
		Twas a good time.
		Luke went off on stage.
		Ian convinced me to be me and drop Turk Longwell.
		Shout out to everyone who was there.
		You still owe me $13 for name tags.
		Well, maybe we'll do another members meetup soon, and we will get you back that $13.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
		I loved it.
		It was great energy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was fun.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I remember I went on stage and just started screaming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We jammed, played some music.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		People in the comments are like, Luke, stop yelling.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I never started yelling yet.
unidentified		You don't get how crazy I could get.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		AI says, shirt idea for Luke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where is James Gordon Meek?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That is crazy.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
		Where is that guy?
		It's kind of a serious matter.
		I don't know if I want to profit off something like that.
		I think we need to make, you know, hold on, make the situation, you know, wait, wait, hear me out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's James Gordon Meek with Joe Biden with his hands over his shoulder, leaning him, sniffing him and James looking over like, you know, like too early, too early.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Let's let's find him first.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Let's find out what happened to him first before making any kind of T-shirt, please.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, then.
		All right.
		Idiosyncrasy Media Group says, I was inspired by you guys to make something new.
		For the last year, I've been teaching myself how to animate so I can animate an original TV show.
		It's called Who Killed Mr. Jones?
		Today, we released the theme song and launched a Kickstarter for it.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
unidentified		Kudos.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I had a joke I wanted to do with Seamus, but it was just too hard to do, and it was, um, Alex Jones and Me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know the song by Counting Crows, Mr. Jones?
unidentified		I know it well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was just like, that song!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tell each other fairy tales!
unidentified		It's perfect!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the problem.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The song is wild and all over the place, and I think, I don't know if Seamus ever did it, but, like, the writing lyrics to it was just weird to try and sing, because the song's weird as it is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I could definitely sing it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I know it very well.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right now?
unidentified		Go.
		Computer just spazzed out, that was weird.
		I'm telling you, we are electric beings.
		That was wild.
		girl mr. Jones of a conversation black hair and me meters on the fritz answer
		I've not a computer just spazzed out it that was weird that was me singing
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		bringing the energy as soon as he started saying the computers are fritzing out
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you electric we are electric beings that was wild
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		yeah that was I lost control of the computer completely power cycle you like
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		me now it's probably the government It was me channeling God's spirit energy and it'll keep happening and it'll keep getting more powerful, so be prepared.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Get a Faraday cage on.
unidentified		Is it an imminent threat?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I'm just letting you know ahead of time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		TheLifeofD says, isn't this against the Eighth Amendment?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cruel and unusual punishments?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Ian singing?
unidentified		I hope that didn't sound like crap on this mic, man.
		It was fine.
		It was all right.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It was horrible.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Let's see.
		Samuel Brucker says they dignify Alex Jones by making him a nation.
		That's right.
		He has to pay the GDP of France.
unidentified		I feel like they were definitely saying that with the finger next to their mouth like this.
		Yeah.
		Doing the Dr. Evil face.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tommy Tampon says, I want to be a subscriber for 80 years.
		Tim cast at $1,000 a month, but I heard Ian was a conservative, so I can't.
		Oh no, that's twice now.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Wow.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money we lost.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a couple million dollars right there.
unidentified		Added to the totals.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Teddy Henkelman says, Yo Tim, my family and I are traveling to Arkansas from Illinois for my lady's birthday and we decided to listen to you live.
		Can you give Sarah a shout out?
		Shout out Sarah!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sarah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for watching the show.
		We have a chicken named Sarah.
		She's a good chicken.
		She's a Brahma.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Happy birthday.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She got sick, but she's okay.
		We have more information on Roberto Jr.' 's mom, Katerina.
		She had cancer.
		We were worried it was Marek's disease or something it's called.
		Turns out it was just typical old cancer.
		Took poor Katerina at a very young age.
		It was in her egg sac and, you know, it's a sad story.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Stress?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Jump by the boys?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, she just had cancer.
		Sometimes it happens, man.
		We got the chickens checked out, like everything's good.
		The other chickens are fine, but You know, she had one son.
		I think she only had one kid, and it's Roberto Jr.
		So we're really worried now, and we're gonna, we're probably gonna, we want to make sure we don't lose her genetic line, so... We gotta make sure that Roberto Jr.
		has many children.
		Yeah, he's gotta be a dad soon.
		So we have to wait a little bit, because it's only October, so we probably have to wait until mid-December to start incubating a batch of eggs.
		But Roberto Jr.' 's gonna have a lot of babies.
		And then Katerina will live on through her son.
		There you go.
		Chickens.
		They'll live forever.
		Aaron Heiner says, are you going to talk about Steve Bannon being sentenced to four months in prison?
		Man, we really just kind of went off.
unidentified		There's going to be no way to split this up today.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Luckily, we didn't get into the Rhodes.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It was close.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It almost happened.
		Man, we should, dude, because that's what the Vanderbilt problem of the robber barons is.
		He could just shut off access to New York City because he owned the railroad.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Luke, are you going to go as Rhodes for Halloween?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I could.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's a good idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I already have a costume now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jonathan Lenneberg says, 2.75 trillion is more than double what Poland demands in reparations from Germany's World War II actions.
unidentified		Wow!
unidentified		That's so wild, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yikes, man.
		Brandon Hampson says, Robert Downey Jr.
		should come back to the MCU as the new Black Panther.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I could see it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Honkatonk says, speaking from a chill voting for Obama back in the day vibe, the establishment has evolved, dudes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That is true.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it has.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's grab some more superchats.
		Paul Sikora says, OJ Simpson had to pay $33.5 million for the deaths of two people, and Jones has to pay in the hundreds of millions for saying some stuff.
		This Bidenflation, man.
		That explains it, that explains it.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Good one, Paul.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian Kinney says, how do I put in a bid on the flooring for the new place?
		I do tile, LVP, laminate, hardwood, carpet, will travel, just give me a couch to crash on.
		I don't, we have a guy, unfortunately, Ian, sorry.
		We have a guy who handles everything for us.
		He's a builder.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What kind of floor is he going to put in there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what there refers to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about Fridamastan?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The concrete.
		The studio room is going to be a carpeted floor like normal, but the ground floor is just going to be smooth concrete.
		I don't know if we're going to seal it.
		I've been advised by the skate park company not to seal it, but I love sealed ground, so I'm kind of like, I like it when it's so slippery you're slipping around.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why not seal just because slippery people slip?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, because when you're skating, you spin around like crazy and it's hard to get a grip, but I actually like it.
		I like being able to do like a backside flip and then whoosh really fast, or like you do your tricks by spinning around.
		Yeah, I love it.
		Yeah, totally.
		I like it.
		And your board lasts longer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm like, I don't know, and the concrete will last way longer if we seal it too.
unidentified		You don't raise your tail as fast, nearly as fast.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		Yeah, totally.
		This guy's not what I'm talking about.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't like it.
		I can't hit the punching bag.
		It keeps like slipping all the time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You gotta get those rubber shoes.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		In the garage.
		The garage skate park.
		It's unsealed.
unidentified		It's probably leftover oil from two years ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it is super slippery in there.
		That is an issue.
		One thing we did was you put a can of coke in a mop bucket full of water.
		You mop it down and then you get a little stick.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we could do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think Brett prefers it that way and I don't skate in the garage all that often.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm usually skating outside.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		You got a punching bag in your garage?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		You guys do martial arts in here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I skate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Luke fights.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I do kickboxing.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Let's fight later.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's do it.
		I got gloves, pads.
		We could live stream it and raise money for charity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sanctioned.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sanctioned event.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then, you know, the rest of us will skate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you guys can skate around you.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You guys could do your ballerina on ice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Will Cybernaught says, Ian, you made a mistake.
		I love you.
		Please don't double down.
		That was in reference to the Ben Shapiro thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, with Ethan Klein wanting to bond with Ben?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, I feel like Biden now.
		Ian just broke my brain.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's not your fault!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you feel like Federman?
unidentified		Is there a reason why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		John Federman.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can't believe people would consider voting for that guy.
unidentified		Yeah, me either.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, some of the stuff that he says, I'm like, alright, it's not as bad as the GOP is making it out to be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, did you see the, send me to Washington, D.C.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		to fight, I could, to work for work!
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, no, he's definitely got the Biden dementia thing going on, but like, some of the criminal justice reforms that he's proposing, it's like the GOP is like, oh, he wants to release these people who are non-violent criminals.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he did advocate for convicted murderers, and now one guy's actually being charged with murder again.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		He's a Democrat, so he's gonna, you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Every once in a while, a Democrat poops out a... I saw Cernovich retweeted something about Tim Ryan.
		I think it was Cernovich.
		Forgive me if I'm wrong.
		Tim Ryan wanting to release prisoners, but then the first thing Ryan brings up, the only thing, was getting marijuana off Schedule 1.
		And then I was like, okay, well, I agree with that.
		I mean, I'm not going to pretend to hate Tim Ryan because he's a Democrat.
		I think we should get marijuana off Schedule 1.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That's always painful because the Republicans still hold on to that stuff, man.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Still campaigning on that, so I was like, that fight is over.
unidentified		Pro-clutching.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think we gotta frame it as like, lift the prohibition on marijuana.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's been a hundred years.
unidentified		Yeah, prohibition.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a good way to target it.
		As opposed to make it legal, make it legal.
		Lift the prohibition, it's not working.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		And then they're like, oh, then necks are gonna want to legalize shrooms.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		And we're like, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mimic says, to quote the great philosopher from Animaniacs, the brain once said, lies are just facts that haven't been repeated enough yet.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's some dark stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's basically the quote.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you repeat a lie enough, it becomes a fact.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nazi party.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, Brain was dark.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Semi-fascist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I liked about Pinky and the Brain, though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Brain was a really evil little mouse, but he really did care for Pinky.
unidentified		He did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Whenever Pinky got really hurt, the brain would get really, like, sad and scared and worried about his friend.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Even genocidal maniacs have love.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I mean, well, I don't know.
		Did the brain want to kill everybody?
		He just wanted to rule the world.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He just wanted to rule the world.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Just a maniac.
unidentified		Exactly.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't genocide.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's not Bill Gates now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		not yet killing jenna says jones shows a precedent that true americans
		will need to do a lot peaceful fighting to maintain our natural
		rights such as voting this uh... november eighth
		I love the show, been watching since 2019 when I was shown the corruption.
		That is corruption indeed, man.
		Corruption indeed.
unidentified		Okay, what do we have here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brian Tersteniak says, hey Tim, big fan here.
		As much as I want it to be true, Jill Biden was not booed at the game.
		That was a fake video.
		Officer Tatum proved it to be false.
		I like that you're factual.
		So the other day, someone mentioned this to me, and I was looking at some videos where I heard the booing, and then I saw that it was reported definitively by several outlets, and so I rolled with it.
		But I've heard this more and more.
		I found a different video showing there was no booing.
		So I think it may be correct that the video was fake.
		I just need to go in and verify and then I'll put an update on the video I did from earlier in the week because if it's a fake video, it's a fake video.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Because yeah, mainstream outlets had been reporting it as fact.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the New York Post ran it saying Jill Biden booed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if what happened was she was booed but someone made a fake video.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like enhancing the boo?
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, or putting a fake boo over it to make it sound really loud when it was actually just like a marginal booing.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think what ended up happening was several outlets fact-checked it and said, while it's true, people there probably were booing her.
		These videos aren't real.
		And it's like, oh, okay.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Was anyone at the game in the chat?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If anyone was there, let us know.
		Maybe.
		Let's grab some more Super Chats.
		Paul Blackburn says, I'm beginning to think the reason why the Rebels knew about the second Death Star was because James O'Keefe was able to get a Stormtrooper to talk.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that actually would be a really great skit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		James has got to do some more of that stuff.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Like a Baratos infiltrates the Death Star.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have a seer camera, and then you have a Stormtrooper silhouette being like, Darth Vader is planning to blow up Parson IV.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But it'd be like Princess Leia all sexy, getting the Stormtrooper to talk.
unidentified		You have no idea the amount of plants we're going to blow up, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tell me more!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's so impressive!
unidentified		And Ewoks are disgusting little creatures!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And he's racist!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I gotta say, Veritas could do a bunch of funny skits like that.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That'd be good, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Project Veritas could do a Breaking Bad thing.
		All right.
		Hayden says, the Constitution is divinely inspired document.
		It is a beautiful social compact.
		The social compact has been violated by one side.
		The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
		If they use it against us and for their protection, there is a massive issue.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I would love to break this barrier of them and us, because I mean, honestly, we have government for the people, by the people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We're all involved in this.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Why can't we all just get along?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Track media only, says Luke.
		Local judges ignoring the Constitution is exactly why you can appeal to the Supreme Court.
		If you divorce, as it means, you lose that.
		We've lost the balance and divorce doesn't get that back.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was trying to tell him.
		Track media only.
		There we go.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's my boy.
		One little argument over of course the big centralized, but with that you have the Department of Education, you have the ATF, you have the IRS.
		You want all of that or you want your little judges?
		I think the judges should be localized.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		The anarchist says the Constitution has either authorized the current form of government that we have or been powerless to prevent it.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		But I like to say that the anarchist movement has either authorized the form of government that we have or been powerless to prevent it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think when we have small individual actions like homeschooling, people arming themselves, people making their own food, people become independent, that's actions of anarchy that are promoted that do push out government and make government irrelevant because people don't need to be dependent on government and make it less, you know, dependent on everyone else.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Anarchy is correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like the Reagan one.
		What is it?
		No scarier phrase than I'm from the government, I'm here to help?
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's my Halloween costume this year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like the Reagan one. What is it? No scarier phrase than I'm from the government. I'm here to help.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's my Halloween costume this year. I got a shirt that says that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm here to help.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, it says government.
		Just government.
		I'm gonna go around that night and say, I'm here to help.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You really want to scare people, just walk around dressed up like an IRS agent, knock on the door and... Oh god, that would be a great costume, yes!
		That'd be the scariest thing for any adult answering the door and be like, I'm not trick-or-treating.
		They'll go, oh no!
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, you could get my government shirt at my AP for Liberty shop.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can say, I'm one of the 87,000 new hires and I'm here to talk to you about your finances.
		Oh no!
		Just kidding, just kidding.
		It's Halloween.
		Were you scared?
		It was scary, right?
		You gotta be practically scary, man.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I like the IRS thing, though.
		That's good.
		That would be really good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Good costume.
		Tangent says, shout out to Ian.
		After countless hours of talking, recognizing that quote didn't sound like something you'd say is amazing, how passionately you conveyed it, feeling off, was the reason I dug into it.
		Tangent's the one, of course, who found out about it.
		Well, the fact that you were like, I don't say the word folks.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't.
		I don't use that word.
		I don't like it.
		James Lindsay actually came on the show and explained how it's like, I don't know if it's communist propaganda.
		It's like a seeded into our language somehow.
		I don't know if Obama did it intentionally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are you saying about Seamus?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That he's a racist?
		I'm not saying Shamus is a racist.
		No, I love Shamus, actually.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anthony Jones says, Tim, maybe the aliens have hope for humanity because of shows like this.
		Ian, we need more info on radar manipulation.
		Luke, love wearing my Emperor Fauci shirt.
		To our guest, Rock Chalk Jayhawk Goku.
unidentified		Go K.U.
unidentified		I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Go K.U.?
unidentified		Oh, I thought it was Goku, like Dragon Ball Z. Yeah, I thought it was for a second.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Go K.U.
unidentified		Goku?
		Yeah!
		Okay, that's funny.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you really want to learn about radar manipulation, look up talking plasma, and you might be able to find something for military times.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		M.I.Z.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Matt says, Peterson has it totally backwards.
		Federalists oppose centralized power, and Hamilton was the worst.
		He was the first neocon along with Washington and Adams.
		The Constitution is objectively lacking.
		Look where we are.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		What?
		The anti-federalists were the ones who opposed centralized power.
		That's like what it means.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Anti-federalists?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Anti-Federalists.
		They were against the Central Federal Government.
		They were against the creation of the Constitution.
		The Federalists were the ones who wanted to create the Constitution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was the Anti-Federalists that wanted the Bill of Rights.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but they didn't.
		Well, they didn't want the Bill of Rights.
		They wrote the Bill of Rights because they're like, we know that you guys are going to write the Constitution and you're going to write the laws.
		We need to slip this in here to make sure we still have rights protected.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cal L says, the Founding Fathers actually give a blueprint on how to dismantle the government without due process through invasion step-by-step.
		The White House announced on 9-12 they're using a tech to do it.
		What does that refer to?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		More info, please.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
		I think there's something missing there.
		Christos Aretikos says, as a Canadian in Montreal, I second the motion for United States and Provinces of America, C-A-U-S, of the Great North American Republic.
		Glory to Tim Guest and friends.
		Have you guys watched the Electric Dreams episode, Others?
		Kill All Others?
unidentified		You mentioned it, Newt.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It sounds awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, watch it, man.
		You guys, you're missing out.
		Yeah, Electric Dreams is on Amazon, but it's like Philip K. Dick Stories, and there's an episode called Kill All Others.
		It's brilliantly done.
		Everyone who watches this show would absolutely love that episode.
		There's a guy, he's chilling on his couch watching the debate, and it's like a single candidate running for office.
		There's no real election.
		She gets asked by an interviewer, like, well, you know, so tell me, what are your plans when you become the president?
		And the candidate, she's like, well, you know, first, we need to totally gut these schools, because they're a huge problem.
		Kill all others, of course.
		And then, obviously, the economy is in serious trouble.
		And then he goes, whoa, whoa, what did she just say?
		And then he plays it over, and she keeps saying, like, she says it.
		And then the interviewer goes, he's like, honey, come in here, listen to this.
		And the interviewer goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, that was very controversial.
		I can't believe you would say that.
		You wanna gut the schools now, a lot of people, and he's like, what's going on?
		Then he's asking his people, like his friends at work, and there's like only a few people there, and he's like, can you believe she said that?
		And they're like, I don't know man, I don't watch that political stuff.
		And then what happens is, as the time goes on, he eventually is like driving to work with his wife, and then he sees like people chasing a woman who's screaming, and they're like, get her, she's an other!
		He sees an ad that says kill all others, he's on a train, and then he sees billboards for it, and then eventually they're like, why are you defending others?
		Are you an other?
		And he's like, no, I just don't understand why you're doing it.
		Like, he's another!
		And then, you know, you get weirdos.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		We see this happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's such a good episode.
unidentified		It's amazing.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sounds good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's the show called?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Electric Dreams.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Electric Dreams from 2017, sci-fi.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Only one season.
		The whole season was great.
		I liked it.
		Philip K. Dick Stories.
		But I think that was like the last one.
		I watched it and I was flabbergasted they made it.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Ten episodes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was like, this explains everything that's going on exactly with cancel culture and the woke left.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		It's from a book, The Hanging Stranger.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's good stuff, man.
		It's a good episode.
		Definitely check it out.
		Yeah, and the reason I brought it up was because Christos mentioned Canada and Montreal.
		In the episode, they live in Mexiscan.
		And it's the North American unified body or whatever.
		That also happened in Fallout 3, I think.
unidentified		In the Fallout story, didn't Canada and Mexico join the US?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Um, I don't know.
		I think, I think like the U.S.
		may have annexed Canada or something like that because they needed oil and then China invades Alaska or something.
unidentified		Correct.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Aliens are attempting to take over.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		He tries to save everyone else but dies trying to protect everyone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In which one?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Well, the book that it's based on.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		The Hanging String.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's 12 different, it's an anthology series.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you may be referring to one episode.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Electric Dreams, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I think there's 12 episodes and they're all individual shows.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I see, because I'm looking at Cranston, Steve Buscemi, Terrence Howard, so they're all stars in different episodes.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That's cool, that's kind of like Twilight Zone kind of thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		says, dude, love the ammo can.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's my buddy Will Perry.
		He makes these clean ammo cans.
		He's a big fan from Missouri.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a 50 BMG ammo can.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, TimCast, News Politics Coach.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was pretty cool.
unidentified		Did you bring that in with you?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's awesome!
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, my buddy Will Perry wanted to give you a gift.
		He's a huge fan.
		We've got a lot of fans in Missouri.
		Every time I go on, Missouri just lights up because they love TimCast out there.
		Will gave you this, he's got a company.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Where's mine?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		What am I, chopped liver here?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		A beautiful little George Washington Buddha from my shop, and I made this myself, so you can get that on mine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Ben D says, breaking, Biden student loan frozen by Fed, by federal judge.
		I saw this video, apparently it's a commercial that, I don't know if Biden's putting out, where it's like, A song about getting 10k in your pocket and it shows like jeans and it says 10k flashing and like people putting money in their pockets, something like that.
		I'm like, dude, they're just buying votes.
		That's so insane.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Just like he did with the marijuana declaration, which doesn't affect anyone.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		6,500 people are affected.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Marshall Project said not a single person will be released from prison because of this.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, most people in prison are for trafficking, not for possession.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		No one's in prison, federal jail, for possession.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not a single person.
		But then people are like, yeah, but you know, past records.
		No!
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Now the real, the big announcement was going to be the de-scheduling because, well, rescheduling.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		He promised that, but he hasn't delivered any of that.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		The reason why they said they couldn't do that is because it's a Schedule 1 drug.
		They can't reschedule it because it's Schedule 1.
		Isn't that weird?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of money.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of big industries.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		We just need to change the culture.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		And once everybody believes weed should be legal, it'll be legal even when the law isn't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like opiates.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you want to get someone off opiates.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like an anarchist idea there.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't sound very minarchist of you there.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That was a Tim Pool idea from earlier on.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like a, you know.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Change the culture.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, alright.
		Tim Never Reads My Super Chat says, Oh.
		Great show.
		Austin Peterson is on point as usual.
		Also thanks Tim for reading the original Second Amendment as first written.
		I'm tired of liberals purposefully misinterpreting it all the time.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		That was cool.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		And thank you.
unidentified		That's right.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate that Tim Never Reads My Super Chats.
unidentified		That's right.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's a great name.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Herman Acosta says big businesses love laws and regulations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It prices out people from being able to afford to start a business, effectively pulling up the ladder behind them.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Herman Acosta, you're my boy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Okay, what do we got here?
		Calin Shaw Indie Game says, Idea.
		Each vote is multiplied by how many votes we cast since last time that office was elected.
		If you vote every year, your Senate vote is worth six, POTUS worth four.
		Only every four years and counts less.
		That's interesting.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		I like, see that's kind of along the lines of what we're talking about there.
		People think that because they vote every four years, you know, that they should have, you know, they should have a say.
		But the people who show up to the town councils, the people who show up to the meetings, the electors who actually engage with campaigns, those people were always supposed to have more of You know what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe here's an idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Every time you go to a local election, you receive a vote voucher, and then on general election day for, like, governor or whatever, those vote vouchers count as votes.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Or just, how about if you just own property?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		How's that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, only if you're a white male who owns property, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the idea here is, if you participate in all your local elections, when you go to vote at the general higher level, you have more say than someone who's ignored the whole process.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Or how about if you're just, if you're a net taxpayer?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which is only the 1%.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you're a net taxpayer.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the net taxpayers are only in the top 20%.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's the net taxpayer?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So everybody here pays taxes, but on average you receive more tax benefits than you pay into taxes.
		So I think, what is it, everyone receives like $50,000?
		So unless you've paid more than $50,000 in taxes, you're not a net taxpayer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then you gotta add that only 48% of people actually pay into taxes?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
		The compliance rates have been much lower, actually.
		It was like what, during Eisenhower's years in the 1950s, where the top marginal tax rate was like 91%, and the liberals were like, we've had much higher tax rates back in the past, but nobody paid it.
		Nobody paid those tax rates.
		I mean, they just didn't pay their taxes.
unidentified		Literally.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's just the Laffer curve, right?
		The higher you tax, the less compliance you get.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But also, it's the less actual revenue you generate.
		Especially if people have the opportunity to leave your jurisdiction and trade elsewhere.
		People don't understand this, man.
		They don't get it.
		All right, everybody.
		Let's see.
		Maybe we'll try and grab one more.
		Ghetto Man says, just ordered every documentary on InfoWars.
		On InfoWars though, that means other people made them.
		Gotta support the man who first informed me how corrupt our government is.
		And here's 20 for talking about how absurd the whole thing is.
		Well, there you go, man.
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		Austin, do you want to shout anything out?
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, please check out my new morning talk show, The Wake Up America Show.
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		Thanks a lot, guys.
		I appreciate you having me back.
		It's awesome.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Austin, this was great.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much for coming.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's good to see you again, man.
austin petersen ▲ ● ▼		It's been years.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Maybe one day you will believe in freedom.
		And maybe one day you'll stop talking about how you love and need government.
		But meanwhile, I enjoyed the conversation and it was awesome.
		My website is LukeUncensored.com.
		I got a bunch of stuff there.
		Forum, merchandise, masterclasses.
		I did a video there recently about two things that I'm doing right now in all of this craziness.
		LukeUncensored.com.
		Hope to see you there after this video.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I agree, Austin.
		Thank you for being the spurs in Luke's butt.
		I like to watch him run.
		He's a fast, fast, fast, fast man, horse.
		Boy, did that joke fall flat.
unidentified		Bye, guys.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to be here on Monday.
		I'm taking the weekend off.
		I'm going to go spend some time with family.
		Hopefully, you have the opportunity to do the same and take advantage of it.
		And I'll see you Tuesday.
		Get in touch with me online if you want to be in Crossland.
unidentified		And imsurge.com.
		I will be in the chats maybe a little bit tonight.
		We'll see how that goes.
		It was a good one.
		So yeah.
		Thanks, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
		We've got a bunch of clips coming up throughout the weekend.
		We've got a bunch of stuff on the website.
		Check it out, and we'll see you all next time.
unidentified		See you.

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