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Oct. 23, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| Eight years? | ||
| Eight years ago, the whole thing with the ranch happened. | ||
| I remember seeing this photo of a guy, like, on the highway pointing a gun. | ||
| Crazy shit like that. | ||
| And, uh, I talked about it a bit at the time. | ||
| And, of course, the mainstream media, far-right extremists and all that other bullshit, and I'm like, I don't know, what's the story here? | ||
| But we only talked about it a little bit on the main show, and probably for obvious reasons, because some of this can get really spicy, I'd imagine. | ||
| But where should we start on this one? | ||
| Luke Hates the Government, you got a question to ask? | ||
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What was the biggest learning lesson from all of this? | |
| Learning lesson. | ||
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Yeah, what'd you learn from going over everything and what kind of advice would you give individuals from your experience? | |
| You're gonna love this I think right because I learned and I mean I Honestly say that this I believe that this is the the biggest learning lesson That our rights are not maintained in the courts or in the ballot box that they're maintained On the grounds in which they were established. | ||
| Now don't get me wrong, you know, good things happen and important things happen, especially in theory, in the courtroom and in the ballot box. | ||
| So I am running for office, so that means something. | ||
| But rights are not maintained in the courtroom or in the ballot box. | ||
| They literally are maintained on the grounds and where they were established. | ||
| And you maintain them by claiming them and by using them and by defending them. | ||
| And sometimes you have to bring your friends around you to defend them. | ||
| That's protest, that's First Amendment right there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's even what like just, I mean, any righteous war if there is such a thing. | ||
| But defending, any defense of rights, ultimately, even if it comes down to physical, even if | ||
| it comes down to violence, that is how you actually hang on to it. | ||
| So, we talked about, on the main show, the initial standoff. | ||
| It was in Nevada? | ||
| Yeah, Nevada. | ||
| But there was another story that happened sometime later. | ||
| This was where an individual was shot and killed and this video went viral. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, what was that? | ||
| Was that a related incident or what was the story? | ||
| So, what happened was, you know, everything went down in 2014 at the Bundy Ranch. | ||
| Basically, Thousands of people came, and they gave the government an ultimatum, like, you leave, we're not okay with this. | ||
| And they decided to take it, and they left. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And they actually have never come back. | ||
| Wow, so you guys won? | ||
| We won, we completely won. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| We put the ranch back together, you know, got, repaired the, you know, the water infrastructure and the corrals, and ultimately, you know, built the herd back up, and so. | ||
| Just like in Avatar. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So there was damages, you know, there's no doubt about that. | ||
| But then what happened was I became aware of another ranching family in Oregon. | ||
| It was a terrible situation. | ||
| In fact, it was even worse than ours. | ||
| Here I had this following, if you will, or I had the ability to be able to reach a lot of people. | ||
| And I'm like, I felt like I needed to go help this family. | ||
| So I went to Oregon, I found out, made sure that they were legit, and I began to shine a ton of light on what was happening to the Hammond family. | ||
| And I got national attention, eventually got international attention, and of course they had to like squash it because uh in their own emails they were saying the virus is spreading like we have to stop this because we were winning the narrative again yeah and they were like we cannot allow another bundy ranch thing thing to happen so on the way to a count a meeting in grant county oregon like | ||
| 400 people including the county sheriff all that were waiting for us To address them in this meeting that they that the count those people in that county had organized. | ||
| There's a pass where you lose Cell reception and as soon as we lost cell reception, they literally ambushed us the FBI and open fire on the vehicle and they end up killing LaVoy Finicum and then they arrested us and And then they went on a witch hunt and arrested everybody in the Nevada case as well. | ||
| Would you mind if we looked the video up? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
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What was their reasoning for opening fire? | |
| Well, we don't really know. | ||
| At first they tried to say that we fled, but that was absolutely a lie. | ||
| They opened fire on the first vehicle, and that's why Lavoie took off. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| I think I've seen this. | ||
| People don't know those details or never look into them because they lied about it. | ||
| And then the FBI actually lied that they ever shot. | ||
| They just said it was Oregon State Police, OSP, that shot. | ||
| And that was an absolute lie. | ||
| They were shooting into the vehicle most of the time that the vehicle was driving. | ||
| My brother was in there. | ||
| I was in the vehicle behind. | ||
| LaVoy Finicum was in there and two women were in there and they were taking on shots. | ||
| My brother got shot in the shoulder and he still has the round in his... | ||
| He said he left it in there as evidence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, because they arrested us, they threw us in prison, a federal detention center, federal prison, and we figured at some time we were going to have to prove that the FBI actually shot and the best evidence was in his shoulder. | ||
| They'd be able to extract it, do the forensic analysis on whatever weapon shot it. | ||
| You know, it was going to be an FBI weapon. | ||
| I remember, so the Oregonian has Sean O'Cock's cell phone video from inside the boy Finnegan's truck. | ||
| I remember the official narrative was that he got out of the vehicle and then went to draw his weapon, so they opened fire on him. | ||
| And then the cell phone footage gets released showing they actually shot at the vehicle first. | ||
| The windows explode. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And then he gets out, he's being shot at. | ||
| Then they claimed he went for his weapon and my understanding was that he was being shot at and he reached in for a holster, but you said that's not true. | ||
| No, so the snow was deep and you could see it because the FBI had a drone or a plane but way up high with no sound, right? | ||
| But you can see in the snow, you know when you're walking around the snow and he's saying, because what he did was they were firing into the vehicle and he Got out with his hands in the air and said shoot me shoot | ||
| me He was trying to get them to draw fire to him to save the | ||
| people that were in the vehicle Yeah, that's what he was doing and he raises his hand. Well, | ||
| he he gets either get shot Because they were shooting these, you know, the the non-lethal | ||
| ones as well He and he either goes down like that, but he does not reach | ||
| into it he just goes down like he either stumbles or he gets shot | ||
| and then they just open fired on him and shot him in the back three times and he just | ||
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| When they stopped, you guys, was it like, we think you might have weapons, we got to search the vehicles, get out of the vehicle? | ||
| So they had completely premeditated this. | ||
| They had like, they had had these like, where they had cleared these areas out so that they had, you know, along the roads and that's where they ambushed us. | ||
| And for like, for like me, we just, I mean, We didn't get shot at, but I did hear the shots and they did shoot at the front vehicle. | ||
| And so we just sat there and then we got out and they just arrested us. | ||
| What was their reasoning? | ||
| So I got the video right here. | ||
| What was their reasoning for blocking the road off? | ||
| I mean, look at this. | ||
| The road's completely blocked off when the vehicle starts approaching. | ||
| So here we can see, and then here's, that's Lavoie coming out right there. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| You can see his hands are in the air. | ||
| His hands are in the air. | ||
| To the left, after they'd already shot on the vehicle. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| His hands are in there the whole time, and then... Now I can't tell what he's doing. | ||
| Yeah, he kind of goes down... That's deep snow there. | ||
| And then they shoot him in the back. | ||
| So what was their justification for blocking the road off, guns drawn, shooting the vehicle? | ||
| They did not even have charges until like two weeks of us being in prison or in jail. | ||
| It took them like weeks, I think less than, you know, I think it was right around 10 days before they actually charged us with something. | ||
| So all of this was like illegal, completely illegal. | ||
| Like the dead man's roadblock, Arrests without charges, all of that. | ||
| And then, and the whole thing. | ||
| And eventually it took us, for this case, it took us 10 months to finally get to trial. | ||
| And we beat them on all charges. | ||
| We were acquitted on every charge by a Portland jury. | ||
| But they held you for that time? | ||
| The whole time. | ||
| And then they didn't let us go after 10 months. | ||
| Then they shipped us down to Nevada because they charged us with all the charges down there. | ||
| And I had another, spent another, what would it be? | ||
| You know, over a year down there fighting those charges. | ||
| And then you won that too? | ||
| And we won that one. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That one we actually got the case dismissed with prejudice because of prosecutory misconduct because they were hiding all this evidence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
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I remember hearing about, you know, infiltration, infighting. | |
| There's a lot of crazy stuff happening at the second situation. | ||
| Can you speak to that a little bit? | ||
| Well, again, you know, they had this. | ||
| So another thing that was going on when they shipped us down to Nevada is they put us in solitary confinement and we're, I mean, it was rough because they were, they were trying to break us so we would take a plea deal. | ||
| So, because they knew in the end they didn't have a case, but they were, they were trying to break us. | ||
| And they did break a bunch of, not my family, but a bunch of the other people that they arrested. | ||
| And anyway, we finally get to trial and this is after being in prison for two years and half that time was in solitary confinement. | ||
| We finally get there and there was like questions that we had that we didn't have evidence of certain things that we knew should be there. | ||
| And so, when the witnesses got on the stand, the government witnesses, we started questioning them, like, hey, wait a minute, what about the video of the, where's all the information from the parabolical listening device that you guys had on our, because we could see the laser. | ||
| We did the research. | ||
| And they like freaked out, like freaked out. | ||
| And the judge at first said, you're on a fishing expedition, you're just, you know, wasting the court's time. | ||
| And we knew for sure it was there. | ||
| So how did you convince the judge? | ||
| We didn't. | ||
| We finally got one of the witnesses who must have not got the memo because she had retired. | ||
| So she was out of the system and came back to be a witness for the government. | ||
| So she must have not got the memo and she spilled the beans. | ||
| And once that door was open, then the judge was pissed, because she made her look like a fool. | ||
| You asked her about the parabolic listening device? | ||
| Yeah, well, my brother did, and my attorneys, because my brother went, he went pro se, and I had attorneys, so together was a really good combination. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And we ended up like completely, that's where, that was the beginning. | ||
| Then we're like, well, where is the, where are these, where is this evidence? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And finally they had to give it to us. | ||
| And then when they gave it to us, they gave it to us with like 1700 files. | ||
| And then we're like, well, is this all of it? | ||
| And then they had to end up coming clean, and there was over 3,800 files. | ||
| Not documents, files. | ||
| And most of it was trying to hide that the FBI was involved in pushing all the buttons. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What did the judge say? | ||
| When the judge said that you were on a fishing expedition, How did the judge react when this retired woman comes out and says, oh yeah, we have this? | ||
| So she immediately stopped the trial and scheduled the next day for an evidential hearing that went on for two weeks. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they basically were like, yeah, we didn't turn over all the evidence. | ||
| And it just kept going and going. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| And at that point, you know, we asked for a dismissal and she granted it. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| And she actually, I mean, the words that she used were like, You know, gross prosecutorial misconduct. | ||
| She railed the FBI. | ||
| She railed, you know, these things. | ||
| But, I mean, the whole time, we've been in prison the whole time. | ||
| Like, in maximum prison, in solitary confinement, I've never once been able to have any physical contact with my wife or children. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| Did you sue afterwards? | ||
| So, we didn't. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| So, a lot of people, well, one is, I do not want to spend my entire life in federal court. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| I hear that. | ||
| And I have seen where people do sue and they literally will, because it takes a ton of energy, it takes years and years and years. | ||
| To finally, uh, in the, in the case that is most prevalent in my mind, they spent almost 20 years, they mortgaged their ranch. | ||
| They won on a, on a, uh, on a, uh, district level. | ||
| And then after almost 20 years, it went to the circuit ninth, ninth circuit, and they overturned it. | ||
| Well, they had mortgaged all of their, their ranch and everything to pay for lawyer fees. | ||
| They lost everything in the end, even though they had won. | ||
| And I just, you know, I was like, you know what? | ||
| I just want to take care of my family. | ||
| I just want to be left alone. | ||
| And so, that was my reasoning and why I haven't. | ||
| Even though, you know, they really hurt us. | ||
| They really damaged us. | ||
| What did you mean by the FBI was pushing all the buttons? | ||
| So, like, for example, the FBI had a headquarters at the, what they called the command center or whatever. | ||
| There's an incident command center. | ||
| Um, and they were the ones that were, you know, basically directing this assault and this, this, uh, all the things that were happening at the ranch. | ||
| and they were directing, you know, like all of the the force side of it like making sure that you know how it was | ||
| enforced like for example the First Amendment area and you know how they responded to protesters and and all of | ||
| the security and overall watch was all | ||
| directed by the FBI and While it was going on at the ranch in 2014 | ||
| We could see like these, you know, these BLM agents and they're wearing their tan uniforms and you could see well, | ||
| that's a BLM That's a National Park for but there was these guys walking | ||
| around in civilian | ||
| And most of them were bearded and they had just ball caps on and they were carrying these weapons and you could tell | ||
| like these guys were a | ||
| completely different Monster like they were completely different. They were | ||
| You know, they were, you can tell the way they held their guns, they were skilled, they were completely different. | ||
| But we didn't know who they were. | ||
| We found out years later that it was the FBI HRT team. | ||
| What's HRT? | ||
| Well, it's a hoscue rescue team, but yeah, hoscue rescue team, but it's like the elite team for the FBI. | ||
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Hostage? | |
| Hostage rescue team? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Did you ever find out that there was agents pretending to be supporters? | |
| Yeah, but we didn't find that out until the discovery, until later. | ||
| And were you surprised by that? | ||
| Can you tell us a little bit about that? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| Although I was pretty naive. | ||
| This wasn't my world. | ||
| This was not my world. | ||
| So I was naive. | ||
| But spending all that time in federal prison made me where I'm not so naive anymore. | ||
| It was a maximum security prison? | ||
| So, uh, part of it was, yeah, they, they had, it was a prison that had both sides of it because ultimately it was a detention center. | ||
| So, um, which is, you know, actually even worse than the prisons. | ||
| Cause you don't, you don't go out, you hardly go outside. | ||
| You don't have any visits with your families. | ||
| You don't, you know, uh, I mean, it's, it's crazy, even though you're not convicted, uh, you, you are, it's, it's, it's really a hard, terrible situation. | ||
| Were you indoors the entire time? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they had like these, in some places, not all of them, but they had like these little chicken cages that you could go out in. | ||
| Literally, it was like a completely, you know, and it was just not much bigger than this room. | ||
| And that was about all the outside experience you would get. | ||
| How often would they let you out? | ||
| Well, it depends on where you're at. | ||
| Like in solitary confinement, I spent months and months and months and never saw the sunlight. | ||
| Did you have a window? | ||
| No sunlight? | ||
| So they had, in most of the solitary confinement, they have a window, but it's like completely glazed over like they painted it. | ||
| So you can see a little bit of illumination of the lights, but I spent months and months and months in solitary confinement. | ||
| What was it like psychologically? | ||
| It's a constant battle, like a constant battle not to like just lose it, you know. | ||
| And you have to like, like I found like I had to like forgive those that were doing it to me, | ||
| like almost immediately, because they would do terrible things and then throw you in there, | ||
| right? And like what? | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Well, like, you know, beat you down and strip you down. | ||
| For no reason? | ||
| And then throw you in to Nate. | ||
| Well, I mean, they always had their justification, but really, you know, like, you know, there would be, you know, stupid things like you had what they called contraband or something like that, you know, like salt and pepper that happened to me. | ||
| I had salt one time and they did that to me. | ||
| They literally had me down, there's five of them, they're stripping me naked. | ||
| And one guy literally whispers in my ear that he's sorry he's doing this to me. | ||
| Why was he doing it? | ||
| Well, it's their job, you know, it's their job. | ||
| That's why I have a love-hate relationship with law enforcement. | ||
| They're fucking Nazis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you found forgiveness because it was driving you insane? | ||
| You have to. | ||
| Because otherwise, this rage in you will just eat you alive in there because you are alone all day long, all night long, you know? | ||
| I mean, for days and months. | ||
| And so it will eat you alive. | ||
| So you have to... | ||
| You have to kind of be, you know, right. | ||
| You have to be right with God. | ||
| You have to do your best to, you know, to keep yourself sane. | ||
| I did a ton of reading. | ||
| I was reading books, like, every day. | ||
| Like, I'd read a book, like, in a day, just to try to buy time. | ||
| And then also, for whatever reason, I don't really know why, but I turned nocturnal. | ||
| Like, I don't know why, but I would be up during the night, and then I would sleep during the day. | ||
| And the only time I got up was to eat during the day, because you have to – they just shove food through like a food port, a little hole in the door. | ||
| You lose a lot of weight. | ||
| Yeah, I lost like – so I came out of there. | ||
| You know, I'm overweight now, but I mean, I am so, but I came out of there, uh, like I, I weigh two, two 3230 right between in two thirties right now. | ||
| I came out of there 170 in the 175 range. | ||
| I'm six foot. | ||
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Wow. | |
| What's the first thing you did when you got out? | ||
| Hug your wife? | ||
| Yeah, my wife and children. | ||
| I mean, it was hard not having that, you know, not having to be able to, like, it's crazy, but not be able to just love them and know that they needed it, you know, just to hold them. | ||
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Wow. | |
| What's the first thing you ate? | ||
| So, the first thing I ate was, I actually think I had a steak. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| How was it cooked? | ||
| What cut? | ||
| I don't remember, but I love ribeye. | ||
| Ribeye, medium rare? | ||
| Medium rare ribeye. | ||
| That's really good for you. | ||
| There you go, man. | ||
| What did you eat in there? | ||
| Oh, well, the Oregon prison was terrible. | ||
| like they had this what they called gravy and it was literally just oil and uh it was like oil with like i think it had some pepper in it but very hardly no salt oil it was like this oil yeah i think it might they might have thrown like a boy on in in oil yeah and probably mix some water because it did have the little bubbles and that's what they called their their gravy and then they would serve it on like a Dry piece of bread or something. | ||
| It was really disgusting. | ||
| Nevada was a little better, but they had this bone meal that actually, because the prisoners that worked in the kitchen said that it says, not for human consumption. | ||
| Bone meal? | ||
| Ground up bones. | ||
| It's just ground up like bones and fat and everything and they would use it for all you know like they would make sloppy joes out of it. | ||
| Was it disgusting? | ||
| It was disgusting but you had to eat it like you had to you had to have the nutrients you know. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How was it with books though? | ||
| You mentioned you read a book every day. | ||
| Did they like bring a book cart or something? | ||
| So, there were book carts, but not in solitary confinement. | ||
| So, my wife, they had a list of approved books. | ||
| And when I wasn't on like the, you know, the highest solitary confinement restrictions, then she could mail in books to me. | ||
| Why were you in solitary? | ||
| So I was in solitary. | ||
| The main reason I was in solitary is because it got to a point where they were strip searching us so often. | ||
| I just finally said, no, I'm not. | ||
| You're not going to do it anymore. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And the interesting thing is, is I actually won that battle. | ||
| Myself and the other co-defendants, including my brothers, because I had Four brothers and my dad was in there as well with us. | ||
| So we actually were the only people in the Bureau of Prison Systems that they couldn't strip church. | ||
| But it took me almost a year of solitary confinement to win that battle. | ||
| And what happened was, I didn't win it conventionally, but what happened is I wouldn't allow them to strip, so the prison stopped transporting me to my own trial. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the judge… Got mad, huh? | ||
| Well, the judge was like, he has to be here, you know, we'd have to declare a mistrial if he's not here. | ||
| And they're saying, well, he's not, you know, he is not… Allowing us to transport him. | ||
| That's what they kept saying. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, uh, anyway, to have come to find out what happened is she goes, well, I want to talk to him on the phone. | ||
| Well, as soon as I got her on the phone, I, I actually did a verbal motion, uh, to order the Southern Nevada detention center to transport me to my own trial. | ||
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And she was like, what? | |
| 45 minutes, like breaking this down and realize that it was them making the decision. | ||
| I was just not going to comply to a strip search. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I was like, I'm not going to stop you from strip searching me. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| I'm just one person, but I'm not going to do it myself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, that's what they wanted. | ||
| They wanted me to comply. | ||
| They wanted you to say there are five lights. | ||
| And I wasn't, yeah, you're right. | ||
| You know that thing from Star Trek? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| One of the enemy generals is torturing Captain Picard, and there's four lights, and he says, how many lights are there? | ||
| And when he says four, he shocks him, and he says, you're mistaken, there are five. | ||
| Now, how many lights are there? | ||
| And he says, there's four, and then he shocks him. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| And he keeps doing it. | ||
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1984. | |
| That's exactly right, yeah. | ||
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What was the best book you read in there? | |
| So the best book I read in there was, uh, maybe like Atlas Shrugged. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Fiction and nonfiction where you're reading primarily fiction. | ||
| Well, real quick, I just kind of want to go too far. | ||
| The judge in this, in this instance, was this the, this was Oregon or Nevada? | ||
| This was in Nevada. | ||
| So was it ultimately the judge that dismissed it? | ||
| Yeah, she dismissed it. | ||
| So I, we, we beat them, you know, with a, with a jury, uh, acquitted on all charges in Oregon. | ||
| And then we went down to Nevada, and she ultimately dismissed it. | ||
| And then, of course, the U.S. | ||
| attorneys appealed the decision. | ||
| It went to the Ninth Circuit, and the Ninth Circuit unanimously agreed that the case was egregious, and they dismissed it without prejudice. | ||
| What was the case to begin with? | ||
| Real quick, that female judge, I have to imagine, with what you've already told me, and there's probably a lot more, So they're lying to her about not transporting you. | ||
| Then she finds out they're withholding evidence. | ||
| I mean, she had to have been pissed. | ||
| Yeah, she was pissed. | ||
| And it's not like she was our friend. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| But she was put in a position where this whole thing was based on lies. | ||
| And the ship was sinking. | ||
| And she was like, I'm not going down with this ship. | ||
| I'm not going down with this ship. | ||
| And so she did the right thing. | ||
| And finally, If I was a judge, I would have immediately made a criminal referral for all of the people involved on the other side. | ||
| Look, I've dealt with courts, and I was saying this before the show earlier, judges are just people. | ||
| They may know the law, which is book learning, and procedure and policy on specifics of what is and isn't a crime. | ||
| But when it comes to arguing, people really need to understand. | ||
| When I was little, I thought lawyers were people who knew the law and would go before a judge and be like, but your honor, if we look at code 13C, and he goes, really? | ||
| 13C is a good point. | ||
| And the other lawyer will be like, ah, but CF. | ||
| And in reality, you go to court, you learn, it's nothing like that. | ||
| It's people just arguing with each other and the judge gets the final say. | ||
| And so I'm really annoyed when you see this all the time, they don't want any more. | ||
| The judges, the courts, they're just like... | ||
| So I was falsely arrested, me and my brother, back in 2006. | ||
| We were at a mall. | ||
| Apparently some people, workers of shoplifting, called security. | ||
| Security sees me and my brother and assumes we must be the people, so what do they do? | ||
| They immediately start beating the shit out of my brother. | ||
| I call 911, they grab my phone, turn it off, grab me, arrest us, realize we're the wrong people, lie to the cops. | ||
| When finally everything broke down, we refused to, so ultimately it comes after several months of court, we get offered by the ADA, me getting, my brother was gonna get six months for assault, and they wanted to give me 30 days or something max for disorderly. | ||
| So we agreed, okay, my brother will plead guilty so that he avoids this and gets community service at his own discretion, it's a slap on the wrist, I'll go to trial because I'm risking a month. | ||
| When we said that to our lawyer and he went up and told the judge and the ADA, the ADA screamed. | ||
| It was this woman, she's like, what? | ||
| And then my brother got pissed. | ||
| And so then the lawyer, our lawyer comes back over and my brother goes, why does she hate us? | ||
| And he goes, they're mad that you're going to trial on a slap on the wrist charge. | ||
| And he goes, fucker, I'm going to trial now too. | ||
| And he went, okay. | ||
| And then he went up and then we hear her scream again and the judge yells at her. | ||
| Our lawyer comes back over and he said, the case is being dismissed. | ||
| The judge wants to see you in chambers. | ||
| And we were like, what? | ||
| And he goes, when I told the judge that you are now going to trial, he said, why are they both going to trial on a slap on the wrist charge? | ||
| They're getting community service at their own discretion. | ||
| He said, your honor, because they're innocent. | ||
| And he went, oh. | ||
| Oh, case dismissed, but I want to see you in chambers. | ||
| Now, here's the point of the story. | ||
| When we went back into his chambers, he says, there's not getting many more lawsuits on this, right? | ||
| It's all done and we can go home? | ||
| Say yes. | ||
| Okay, you can leave. | ||
| So basically what the point was, these guys did wrong by us, but the court doesn't want to deal with it. | ||
| Yeah, no, I agree. | ||
| I mean, we should see these judges dismiss A lot more cases. | ||
| And criminally charged these motherfuckers. | ||
| I saw a cop in New York lie under oath about why they arrested a guy, a photographer in New York, | ||
| and then my footage exonerated the guy. | ||
| They claimed the guy was blocking the street. | ||
| Then on the stand they said, here's a video shot by Tim Pool of the guy standing on the | ||
| sidewalk minding his own business. | ||
| You lied under oath. | ||
| So did they dismiss the case though? | ||
| Because normally what they do is they say, okay, well, they'll find something else, like an infraction or, you know, just something minor. | ||
| And they'll say, well, we'll give you this if you take this plea deal. | ||
| And basically you get to go, you get to put your life back together, but you're still guilty. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, they dismissed the charges against this guy, and there was no penalty for the cop who lied under oath. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's New York. | ||
| These prosecutors, they didn't get nothing. | ||
| They didn't get a slap on the hand. | ||
| They didn't lose their job. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| They just keep on going. | ||
| And, you know, it made them look bad. | ||
| And, of course, in the inner circles, they You know, they, I'm sure look terrible and, and all of that, but as far as, you know, accountability, nothing, nothing. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| I got it. | ||
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Oh, I got to ask, what is, what were these charges even to begin with? | |
| So the charges in Nevada were all about like assault on a federal officer, you know, this video, no, this was the Oregon thing, you know, um, salt on a federal officers. | ||
| I mean, we, we didn't even, I didn't even have a gun. | ||
| I mean, I had no intention on. | ||
| And it was just garbage. | ||
| It was flat out garbage. | ||
| Was it from one altercation that happened? | ||
| It was basically because of the standoff on Saturday, if you will, like going and confronting them and saying, look, we're not okay with this. | ||
| And my mindset was very clear. | ||
| Look, You can kill me if you want. | ||
| I'm not leaving. | ||
| Like, I'm not leaving. | ||
| You can kill me if you want. | ||
| But then there was people, which I had no idea they were up there, but there was people with, with weapons on the bridge, on the bridge. | ||
| And I think they ended up probably saving our lives. | ||
| But, but to me, I was like, like, it wasn't about violence. | ||
| It wasn't about, you know, uh, guns. | ||
| It wasn't nothing. | ||
| It was about them coming in and doing this terrible thing to my family. | ||
| And I just wasn't going to stand for it any longer. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh. | ||
| And see, I was down in the wash down there. | ||
| So now this, to be honest with, this was after it all happened. | ||
| And anyway, I won't even get into the details, but they couldn't even prove that we ever pointed guns at them. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So the idea that someone had pointed a weapon made you an accomplice? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was a conspiracy. | ||
| They said it was a conspiracy that we had conspired and we had planned all this and all of that. | ||
| And it was just all a lie. | ||
| And they knew it was a lie. | ||
| So you were unarmed protesters? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And these people are on the bridge. | ||
| And then there was some people in the back that never pointed their guns that had some, but you know, there was this big narrative about how, like, you know, there was this huge standoff and we were threatened and threatening them, which they absolutely deserve to be threatened, right? | ||
| From what they were doing. | ||
| I mean, they were, You know, body-slamming women. | ||
| Well, threaten is probably the wrong word then. | ||
| I mean, they're actively attacking people. | ||
| It was a restrained defense, yeah. | ||
| The cops were body-slamming women or body-slammed a woman? | ||
| They body-slammed a woman, yeah. | ||
| If you go to, you know, say BLM body-slams, you know, Bundy Ranch, something like that. | ||
| Yeah, they absolutely did. | ||
| They sicked dogs on a pregnant woman. | ||
| They tased me multiple times. | ||
| Just while you were sitting there? | ||
| No, this was like protesting. | ||
| This was a few days before the whole final because they just kept abusing people all week and finally people were like, we're done with this. | ||
| We're going to go down and confront them. | ||
| And ultimately gave them an ultimatum to leave and they left. | ||
| They left within an hour in 107 vehicles because they were afraid of the people. | ||
| And that's why I say our rights are not maintained in the courts or the ballot box. | ||
| They're maintained by us uniting together, you know, and saying, look, you're not going to do this to us. | ||
| That's the First Amendment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what did Dave Chappelle say? | ||
| Second is just there in case the first one doesn't work out. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| All right, man. | ||
| Do you have any final thoughts before we wrap up? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Is there anything else you wanted to add? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, it was good talking about it. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| It's like therapeutic. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It's crazy to hear. | ||
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Wow. | |
| The bullshit. | ||
| And I got the New York Times story right here. | ||
| The judge dismissed the charges. | ||
| They were so grave in the indictment that would be dismissed. | ||
| The withholding of evidence. | ||
| Holy shit, man. | ||
| Well, Eamon, thanks for hanging out. | ||
| It's been a blast. | ||
| It has been. | ||
| And good luck in a couple weeks. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| But we'll have you back on, you know, whenever. | ||
| That'd be fun. | ||
| Yeah, it'd be great. | ||
| If we could get down again. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And for everybody who's a member, seriously, thank you all so much for making this possible. | ||
| And we'll see you all next time. |
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