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Sept. 30, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Ukraine Files To Join NATO Which Would Formally Start WW3 w/Will Chamberlain
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ian crossland
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luke rudkowski
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unidentified
Oh, you know, Vladimir Putin's talking about nukes or whatever.
tim pool
The other day we were like, oh man, you know, World War 3, cause this, uh, NATO thing.
You know, NATO's basically like, somebody sabotaged something, and if you come for us, we will retaliate with collective force.
And we're like, what does that mean?
But it does sound like we're, you know, we're walking into what I would consider to be like World War 3 territory.
And then today, Vladimir Putin announces he's annexing four regions, I suppose, of Ukraine.
And then Volodymyr Zelensky formally files to join NATO.
And if that actually happens, It is World War III. This would mean that NATO enters in,
would admit Ukraine into the military alliance, fully understanding that they are currently at
war. But of course they do.
NATO is basically funding the entire operation. So why would NATO say no to Ukraine? Hey,
we all knew what was going on. Let's just make it official.
How about that?
So we'll talk about that, plus a bunch of other stories.
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Joining us today to talk about this and so much more is our good friend, Will Chamberlain.
will chamberlain
Good to be here, Senior Counsel at the Internet Accountability Project and the Article 3 Project.
And looking forward to talking about, well I guess not looking forward to talking about, we're facing World War 3.
luke rudkowski
A big fan of Dilbert, very happy to have him here with us here.
unidentified
I forgot about that.
will chamberlain
That's right, that was your old nickname for me.
luke rudkowski
And guys, okay, I promise, I promise, it's over.
Or is it?
No, no, no more.
unidentified
What are you doing?
luke rudkowski
No more goofs.
I promise.
I'm just kidding.
I just wanted to see how you guys would react.
I had a lot of things to get off my chest this week.
So I thank you so much for being patiently with me as we had this burden lifted away from all of us.
And okay, we're gonna be serious.
And this is why I'm wearing a very serious shirt.
That says, I identify as hyperinflation with our wonderful, bodacious inspiration to us all that you could get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you do that.
This is why I'm here.
unidentified
Thank you again so much for having me and dealing with me and my humor and my... I like that shirt a lot.
luke rudkowski
My pranks and my goofs.
ian crossland
Hey everyone, I did my part, I'm doing my part to preserve world peace by learning the Cyrillic alphabet last night.
I believe I have it memorized, so I'm going to recite it really quick.
quick it's a baby gay day yeah yo Jay Zee e crack a ya ka lmnop rst o f ha say
unidentified
I learned letter by letter last night on the internet and then I was memorizing and I just kept repeating it.
Thank you.
ian crossland
That was impressive.
luke rudkowski
You didn't cheat.
ian crossland
You didn't cheat.
I haven't memorized.
I did it.
I learned letter by letter last night on the internet and then I was memorizing and I
just kept repeating it.
I repeated it like 15 times.
The way to do it is you do as many as you can until you mess one up and you start over.
And you do that until you can get it in one playthrough, and then you repeat the playthrough eight or more times, and after that you'll have it memorized.
tim pool
A lot of people don't know this, but Luke only reads Cyrillic.
Yeah, his computer translates all- it's all English.
But it's just Cyrillic.
luke rudkowski
It's all scribbled.
ian crossland
Full disclaimer, there are two silent letters that don't make a sound.
It's a soft accent and a hard accent.
will chamberlain
Wait, are you saying Tim Cass D-I-R-L has been infiltrated by the Russians?
tim pool
No, he's Polish.
will chamberlain
Oh, that's right, sorry.
Infiltrated by the Poles.
ian crossland
And the great thing about Cyrillic... Yeah, they're NATO, so we're good.
Cyrillic is it's phonetic, so if you see the letters on a map, on a screen, you can just pronounce them each phonetically.
There's no, like, O-I-S going wah or anything.
There's nothing like that in Russian.
will chamberlain
Oh yeah, no, English is bizarre.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's very easy to read once you know what the letters are.
Have fun with it.
lydia smith
Well, we are all preparing for World War III differently.
I'm just here pushing buttons in the corner and I'm excited to hear what we have to talk about.
tim pool
I just want to bring something up before we start the show.
So, we've got big news.
This New Year's, we have acquired something called the North End Domination of Times Square.
Which is, there's two towers.
There's the Ball Drop Tower and the North Tower.
On the North Tower is a series of ads.
Two of them I think belong to, but like overtly belong to like Coke or something.
You can't get them.
We bought all the other ones.
So on New Year's Eve, and we don't have 100% control of it, we get, I think we're getting 10%.
But this means on New Year's Eve, with everybody watching all around the world and CNN standing there, you are going to see Timcast on the entirety of the tower.
Left, right, top, bottom, sides.
And I'm trying to figure out exactly what it should say.
But it should say something good.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Something very good.
And along with this, we are also cordially invited to New York's official Times Square VIP elite party, where the politicians are going to be, and we're bringing Luke.
luke rudkowski
I'm excited.
I'm excited to mingle with the Illuminati.
will chamberlain
Giuliano will be there and you'll be like, you know what happened.
tim pool
So this is, it's going to be on during the New Year celebration.
And, um, You know, the whole point of doing it, I guess, is... We have a story today, we'll maybe talk about Trevor Noah quitting, and I'm just looking at the ratings collapse of all these channels, the rise of independent media, seeing what the Daily Wire's been pulling off, and what we are able to accomplish, and...
You know, there's a lot of people who have the means, but they don't do this kind of stuff, but I'm all about it.
I'm 100% culture warrior baby.
So we are going to have, I think it's five different billboards all at once on the whole tower.
And we got to figure out exactly what we want to say, but it's going to say something fun.
There are restrictions, but it can say something cool.
Like you are not the elite anymore.
Something like that.
Watch Tim cast IRL or whatever.
And it's going to, it's just.
The whole thing is we are taking over the cultural spaces.
We are pushing them out.
We are taking the spaces they have ceded.
And then we are going to be standing there in the party with New York politicians and, you know, corporate elites.
I was kind of shocked when I talked to the company about this and they said, yeah, you know, we'll get you in the party.
And I'm like, are you sure?
And they're like, yeah.
And I'm like, okay.
I'm like, because it's not like we're going to act a fool or anything, but it's going to be really interesting to say the least.
I just wanted to say that, and I wanted to say thank you to everybody who supports the show.
We weren't sure exactly if we wanted to do this, because I was like, does it really matter that we're going to have this massive portion of Times Square on New Year's?
And I talked to a few people, and the answer was kind of like a, yeah, probably?
Cause that's a, that's a, that's a big statement to make, especially when they're constantly smearing us and lying about us in the media.
Just to, just to assert ourselves above them and then have it be on every TV screen when Times Square is shown all around the world for the countdown.
ian crossland
It's good to do something like just seriously inspirational.
Cause then no one can complain.
And if they do, they look like a fool.
tim pool
I don't know.
I was kind of, you know, do we want to have a chip on our shoulder and insult the establishment?
Or do we want to just brag and be like, we're here, baby.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Pump up the kids, man.
Give them something to live for.
tim pool
That's a good point.
luke rudkowski
Or just send a message that makes them think and breaks the conditioning.
That would be powerful.
ian crossland
That's why you're gone.
tim pool
Yeah, typically it's been me, Luke, Ian, and Michael Malice on the ads that we've done on Times Square.
I'm thinking maybe we go with the same thing.
That'd be cool.
But we'll see.
We'll see what we have.
Let's read the news.
Let's jump into the story from The Guardian.
Ukraine applies for NATO membership after Russia annexes territory.
Vladimir Zelensky dismisses Moscow ceremony as a farce and rules out negotiations with Putin.
There you go.
There, uh, there he is.
He signed the paperwork.
I thought it was funny because like, I don't know what that paperwork says.
For all I know, it could be like an order form for Giordano's or something, you know, but, but he signed it and we watched him do it.
And he said it was to join NATO.
If Ukraine were admitted into NATO right now, we would formally be in World War III.
will chamberlain
Correct.
Because of Article 5.
ian crossland
What is the Article 5?
Is that you gotta defend the NATO allies?
will chamberlain
Yeah, common defense.
ian crossland
But if they're already at war, then it wouldn't trigger Article 5, as far as I'm concerned.
will chamberlain
I don't know, actually, but I'm pretty sure that, effectively, that's saying we're at war, and that Russia is now at war with the NATO alliance.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's a mutual alliance pact, so if one member of NATO gets attacked, all of NATO has to come in and protect that one particular country that got attacked.
ian crossland
But I think the way... Sorry, go ahead.
I think the pact's work is if you're not in NATO when you get attacked, you can't be like, oops, hey guys, can I join NATO in retrospect?
No, you weren't in NATO.
will chamberlain
Well, but people aren't going to let them in.
tim pool
That's the way this whole conundrum gets solved, is that NATO is not going to admit Ukraine You know, I lean towards that because it seems absurd for, like, you need one NATO member state to be like, nah, nah, nah, nah, but considering the fact that NATO is basically already involved.
will chamberlain
I mean, it's, you know, it's one thing to be already involved, it's another thing to be formally at war.
tim pool
My understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, is doesn't Article 5 actually say that the attacked nation gets to dictate the terms of the assistance?
will chamberlain
I don't know.
Let's pull up Article 5 of NATO.
tim pool
I think, and I could be wrong, I thought it was something like, you know, if like France is attacked, then France says, okay, we need help and you guys are going to supply us with this.
ian crossland
This is how World War I got started.
It was a bunch of defensive PACs.
We want to avoid that.
luke rudkowski
I was just going to say that.
I was going to say historians reading our current history a hundred years from now are going to be like, these idiots didn't figure out from the First World War that they shouldn't have huge alliances and PACs and protecting each other.
There was a Second World War and a Third World War and of course there's that famous Einstein quote.
About World War three being fought with weapons that are unknown, but World War four and five being fought with sticks and stones I'm butchering the quote here, but but you get the gist of what I'm saying here, and this is just an atrocious Situation that is extremely dangerous for everyone and it's ridiculous.
You said World War five?
World War four, World War five.
tim pool
Yeah, it was like I know not I'll pull it up, just in case.
He says, I know not what weapons World War III would be fought with, but I know that World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
will chamberlain
That's a good quote.
tim pool
And then he goes on to say that World War V is going to be lit.
And I was like, oh wow, that's great.
will chamberlain
It's a really terrible situation.
I mean, first off, it's terrible that we have Russia annexing parts of Ukraine and saying, well, this is now Russia.
Because that puts Putin in a place where he doesn't have an easy way to back down.
tim pool
Oh, that's impossible to back down.
will chamberlain
Right, he can't back down.
tim pool
But neither can any other Russian leader if someone were to take over after him.
ian crossland
It's kind of like saying, this is what I wanted, now I've got it, so leave me alone.
will chamberlain
A little bit, but he's saying that Ukrainian territory is now Russian territory, and so it kind of eliminates the possibility of some sort of territorial compromise, because ultimately You want Russia?
You know, I mean, you want a negotiated agreement here.
I think we all think that's best because we don't want nuclear war.
tim pool
If Putin is dying, like they say he is, and someone else comes in, that's it.
What do you do then?
Cede your newly annexed territory back to Ukraine?
ian crossland
You don't liberate it.
luke rudkowski
It's also important to note here that the person that is most likely to take over for Putin is more of a war hawk than he is.
We're also in a place where Russia hasn't officially declared war, even though we are in a war.
Obviously, he's still calling it a limited military operation, but I do think that this setup could be the larger setup for the use of nuclear weapons, smaller tactical nuclear weapons, but also this could be, with his annexation of four new territories and regions today, an excuse to call out for a full all-out war, and then he's going to attack the infrastructure He's going to get on the energy grid, and then truly, we will see a very large escalation, and Will, you know, I agree with you, but I disagree with you when you said, you know, NATO's gonna say no, because with how crazy this situation has been already, with how far it has been escalating, who knows if NATO says, the situation got even crazier, he used nukes, let's just accept Ukraine right now and just make it official.
I see that as a small possibility, But right now, unlikely, but who knows how far we're going to go.
will chamberlain
I think that in the world where Putin actually did use tactical nuclear weapons, I don't know what NATO would do.
I mean, that's a terrifying world.
tim pool
I don't think they retaliate.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
There was a really funny quote that I read.
I can't remember who it was from, but they said, if Russia were to nuke a NATO member state, NATO would not respond with a nuclear strike against Russia.
They said you would have to, the president would have to be a madman to sacrifice Boston for, what was it, what's the Polish city, Poznan?
luke rudkowski
Poznan.
tim pool
Poznan.
He said you'd have to be a madman to sacrifice Boston for Poznan.
luke rudkowski
Well, you know, there's a lot of things that we also have to understand here, especially when it comes to our chain of command, which is in the hands of some very crazy people, and incompetent people, and people who, of course, don't have their brains working correctly as well.
All the possibilities are on the table here, and this is why the situation is so dangerous.
And it's not just Joe Biden at the helm here.
It's individuals like Victoria Nuland, who, of course, have an agenda to push this conflict to the furthest extent that she could possibly see it.
The United States is answering today by announcing $12.3 billion additionally to Ukraine as a part of a U.S.
government shutdown bill.
Biden also just announced new sanctions.
Poland is handing out radiation pills.
This is this is crazy as, of course, there's a major battle now happening in in Lyman, a major key city that's going to decide this conflict in a very major way within the next coming days.
And and also there's battles around a Ukrainian power plant.
Things are absolutely absurd.
And I think they reached a point where I think there's no going back from it.
Sadly, I wish there was.
But this to me is is is dangerous and extremely, extremely horrible for everyone involved here.
tim pool
So what have you guys done to prepare for nuclear war?
ian crossland
Learn Cyrillic, my man.
That's one way to start.
tim pool
No, see, Ian's not telling you.
He's saying it's for world peace, but the reality is he thinks Russia's gonna win, so he's getting ready.
ian crossland
I want to avoid a conflict at all costs.
tim pool
No, no, when we're in the gulags, the actual Russian ones, he's gonna be the guy making sure we get food by talking to guards.
will chamberlain
It's like the man in High Castle, but in reverse, right?
Like, basically, like the Russians have taken over the United States, and Ian's found a position among the occupying government.
ian crossland
I learned that the best way to avoid death and destruction and chaos is diplomacy, so I'm rolling with that one.
tim pool
What about you, Will?
Have you built your underground bunker yet?
will chamberlain
No, no, I haven't done that.
I'm still living in Arlington, which seems unwise.
unidentified
That's like the worst place to be.
tim pool
I don't even think, like, the world leaders would be there.
will chamberlain
No, I think they'll have retired to some bunker in Oklahoma.
ian crossland
I don't see World War III here.
What were you going to say?
luke rudkowski
I do have a friend with a nuclear bunker.
unidentified
Yeah, a nuclear.
luke rudkowski
Just like Bush said it.
I just paid him a visit a couple weeks ago.
So he says come on over.
ian crossland
I would like to visit just for fun.
That'd be cool.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, if you guys want to come.
ian crossland
I'm looking at the annex.
luke rudkowski
Shouts out to Joe B. Weeks.
unidentified
He's awesome.
ian crossland
Nice.
I'm looking at what actually got annexed.
It's for what is called Oblast Lugansk Donetsk Zaporizhia.
I don't know how you pronounce that.
tim pool
Zaporizhia.
ian crossland
Zaporizhia.
He annexed Crimea in 2014.
But what it does is it takes Highway M14, which is the east-west highway from Russia, and it goes east, or goes west rather, to, it also took Highway East 105 and East 97 that go north-south.
So he took the east-west highway that connects to these two north-south highways that take you down out of Crimea.
They want a trade post in Sevastopol.
That's the whole point, is to be able to move military and trade stuff into the Mediterranean.
At this point, I don't understand why they're not in NATO with us and one of our best trade allies.
They have so much resources.
They're a federation, like the United States.
It's a federated group of states.
luke rudkowski
Well, strategically, geopolitically, China is also emerging as a power that is threatening American hegemony.
And if you were calling American foreign policy, I think it would be in the best interest to have good relations with either of those countries in order to make sure that they don't come together.
I think we've done the opposite of that.
And I think we're creating a situation that truly is highlighting a West versus East situation, which is not beneficial to anyone.
tim pool
It has to be on purpose, you know.
I'm, in many circumstances, well beyond believing in coincidence.
And considering what Joe Biden's, how he's been very favorable or deferential to China, this greatly benefits China.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, the US and Russia fighting.
Some have actually argued, I think we were talking about this the other day, that China may have been the one who sabotaged Nord Stream to force Russia and NATO to fight so that they could then make a move on Taiwan.
will chamberlain
I could see that.
I could see, I mean, I could see a third, you know, third parties who wanted to just inflame things further.
And that makes sense to me.
It makes more sense to me than Russia doing it, which just is completely ridiculous.
tim pool
But they're saying there are a bunch of articles that it was like people are pushing conspiracy theories that the West destroyed the North Stream Pipeline.
luke rudkowski
And they're all citing anonymous government sources saying 100% it was Russia, 100%.
I'm like, where's the evidence?
Where's the proof?
And the person even saying this is not putting their name behind this, a part of the U.S.
government intelligence agencies that, of course, everyone's naming as a source.
Who's the source?
tim pool
I tweeted, I said, so let me get this straight.
The official narrative is that Russia blew up their own pipeline and not, say, their enemies who they're currently at war with?
Like, that's just nuts.
If I see two guys and they're screaming at each other and they're like, you know, if I ever see you, I'm going to knock you out.
And then the guy is found knocked out outside of the other dude's house.
I'm not going to be like, he must have hit himself.
will chamberlain
Yeah, right.
I mean, Biden said he would.
He said it.
He's like, oh yeah, we'll make Nord Stream go away.
And then it went away.
He was like, oh, other guy did that.
Not me.
unidentified
What?
will chamberlain
What?
tim pool
I love the media.
It's just, it's, you know, maybe this is where it's become so laughably absurd that people just can't accept it anymore.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
David Frum had a thing.
He had a tweets thread where he was talking about how he wrote an article called Unpatriotic Conservatives back in 2003 about people who opposed Iraq, you know, who were correct about that.
Absolutely.
And now he's like, yeah, the unpatriotic conservatives are back.
My article aged really well.
And it's the people who are, you know, doubting the U.S.
intelligence services account that Russia blew up its own pipeline.
luke rudkowski
Imagine the hubris.
unidentified
Right.
will chamberlain
Just the level of, one, you can't be if you question our intelligence agencies, which have been routinely wrong and also lied to Americans routinely, then you are not patriotic or you are.
I mean, it's the the number of different Like, logical leaps you have to take to get to David Frum's reasoning?
luke rudkowski
I wouldn't even push back.
I wouldn't say they were wrong.
I think they were deliberately lying.
I think they had an agenda.
They had profits that they wanted to get.
They had people that they needed to please.
And I think they deliberately said, yeah, they got WMDs, when they knew they didn't.
As, of course, the United States government also had the receipts to the chemical weapons that they were selling to Iraq when Iraq was fighting with Iran.
And what did the war in Iraq do?
Well, it created ISIS.
It allowed Iran to have a larger sphere of influence in the entire Middle East.
It allowed, of course, the destruction and the death of what people estimate to be over a million people.
Why did we do this?
WMDs?
Yeah.
will chamberlain
I don't know.
I'm reading a book about the CIA right now, which is actually very good.
And the overall lesson of this book so far is that the CIA has a reputation for like secrecy and competence, but it's actually just absurdly stupid and has made huge mistakes.
I think You know, early in the Cold War, what they did, their whole plan was like, we're going to create these little partisan armies in all the communist states.
And they just dropped it, like dropped partisans, you know, and refugees.
They just dropped them in or like, go infiltrate the government.
And they all died.
All the agents.
They just all died.
Like all of them everywhere.
Like in the Korean War, they dropped a bunch of Koreans into North Korea.
All of them captured, killed.
Everyone.
luke rudkowski
Just one comment really quickly.
If I was the CIA, I would be also pretending to be really stupid in order to cover for all my illegal actions and horrible crap that I did.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Well, that may be.
But we all know the real reason behind this conflict.
From the New York Intelligencer, Putin decries US satanism in bizarre speech annexing parts of Ukraine.
Did you guys see this?
Putin said it was kind of crazy.
He said that the West was satanic and he said that they're doing gender experiments on children or something to that effect.
luke rudkowski
He gave a 37-minute speech in the middle of Moscow, huge crowds, and he said that the West is, quote, sheer Satanism and it's turning away from moral norms and religious values while offering children sex change operations.
tim pool
Is he wrong?
luke rudkowski
He's not wrong, but he's not an angel himself.
He brought up a good point, let's be honest, and I think he's not wrong in some of these instances.
But again, that doesn't make him the good guy here.
will chamberlain
Right, I think, you know, it's like, it reminds me of that, I think something Jack told me about RT, or how he described RT, is like, RT tells the truth about us and lies about Russia, whereas our media lies about us and might tell the truth about Russia.
Right, right.
It's like you listen to Russia talk about our problems and you're like, yeah, that's actually a fairly accurate description of how our government is behaving.
tim pool
You gotta watch RT if you want to learn about what's going on with protests and activism.
This is the funny thing about how they destroyed the lives of all these RT reporters and personalities.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Back when, um, when was this?
It was like a couple years ago?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
I think it was?
ian crossland
Not so long ago.
2017 or something is when they started hammering RT.
unidentified
2018, maybe?
tim pool
No, it was recently, like Lee Camp, for instance.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, we've known him for a long time and, like, he's not a Russian agent.
He's, like, a regular American dude and he's, like, left-leaning.
But they banned his podcast, which was unrelated to RT, simply because he worked for RT.
luke rudkowski
Chris Hedges too, another very famous journalist, again on the left, also banned and labeled Russian propaganda.
ian crossland
Abby Martin got it hard.
tim pool
Well, didn't Larry King work for RT as well?
luke rudkowski
He did, yep.
tim pool
So here's what they do.
luke rudkowski
So did Jesse Ventura.
tim pool
RT looks for people who have opinions that are bad for the West.
They hire them and let them do their thing, basically funding these kinds of narratives.
ian crossland
I've recently been coming really disliking this East-West narrative.
Like, it's the line of demarcation runs through London.
Are you kidding me?
Like, that's not British Empire crap.
And now they want to segment us into one area and say that Russia and China... Dude, the West is China.
China is West of me right now.
That's the West.
I'm not going to play this British-centric game anymore.
tim pool
That was basically the idea, right?
Yeah, London.
ian crossland
Yeah, they wanted to take control of the narrative of who's where on earth and say that they're in the middle.
It's crazy.
tim pool
Well, they're the ones who have the zero.
ian crossland
The king with his freaking Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland.
tim pool
Look at that, man.
And English is spoken basically everywhere.
You go to Japan and there's like the street signs and the highways are in English and Japanese.
ian crossland
colonists, man.
They tried to colonize China just like they did to India.
They tried with the opium wars, and they failed, and that's a big part of why there's so much aggression.
tim pool
Putin actually said it is neocolonialism, and he said, this is great, he said the West is racist for spreading Russophobia.
I'm like, okay, I don't know what you're trying to say, like, what part of the U.S.
is Satanist?
Is it the woke stuff?
Because that's what you're saying.
Like, He plays a similar game, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't care which government, some people, someone super chat us the other day saying like, no, no, Putin's fighting evil.
will chamberlain
And I'm like, no, Putin launched an aggressive war and invaded his neighbor, right?
That's bad.
tim pool
And it's wrong.
will chamberlain
And it's it kickstarted all of this, right?
ian crossland
It's not a defensive war.
will chamberlain
You're right.
ian crossland
It is a war of aggression, but it's a war of aggression where your enemy has rockets right on the border of the country next to you.
So, like, who's the aggressor?
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
It's just, it's just war.
luke rudkowski
I mean, two wrongs don't make a right either.
will chamberlain
This isn't, I mean, I don't know, I'm sorry, like, there are situations where in a seemingly aggressive war is actually someone responding to acts of war by the other side.
I think the classic example of that is the Six Days War.
Where Israel was, you know, Egypt put in place a naval blockade of the Red Sea and prevented Israel from accessing and shipping anything out of its southern port.
And so if it wanted to ship anything to Asia, it had to go all the way around Africa, right?
And that's clearly, like, act of war violence.
And so even though Israel struck first in terms of, like, actually military assets striking other military forces, I think it's pretty clear that that was not an aggressive war in the sense of They were the first wronged party in terms of an act of war against themselves.
luke rudkowski
This conflict goes back and forth for many decades now, and you could point, hey, Russia did this, hey, NATO did this, and you could make legitimate arguments that are very convincing by both sides.
To me, both of them are being idiots.
People shouldn't be dying for governments.
Politicians should be fighting their own wars and shouldn't be sending innocent people to do it.
But you made a very, very good point there talking about the Six-Day War being brought on by, of course, the stopping of trade.
And trade routes and denying countries resources is what usually sparks wars.
So this is why the bursting of this pipeline is so important, because it could be that major galvanizing event that starts all of this.
ian crossland
It's also why turning Ukraine against Russia in 2014 with that revolution, whether or not the CIA was involved or not, I hear they were, I don't know, but that is, you could argue that that's kind of an act, they cut off their access to the Black Sea, like that's, at least to Sevastopol.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, that was, I mean, that was a huge screw-up.
And I think, I mean, the U.S.
diplomacy there was appalling.
I mean, there's no, we had no business overturning that government.
luke rudkowski
John McCain was there.
tim pool
Okay, it goes back, it goes back before this.
Syria, for instance.
Russia's got a base in Tartus.
The U.S.
is basically aligned against Assad, the Assad regime, who is aligned with Russia, and every effort we made hurt Russia's interests in Tartus.
So, of course, you can go back in time, as long as you want to go back in time, you will always find something.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
And you know, 2014, John McCain was there, the CIA was there, Victoria Nuland was there.
She was, again, pushing for a lot of the protests there.
And she did have an impact.
And this is the result of this that we're seeing here.
And I think Putin was baited into a conflict.
And as soon as he sent troops there, This has escalated to a very severe level.
Who do you point to for responsibility?
I think all of them are responsible.
I think all of them are being stupid.
And I think all of them need to stop immediately before they jeopardize the human civilization.
ian crossland
Yeah, the liberal economic order does not need to patrol Russia anymore.
They all know that the new world order is coming.
George Bush Sr.
was talking about it in the late 80s.
Like, they're ready for it.
Now we need to transition to a new world order where we're not at war with Russia.
There could be our most potential greatest ally.
It's really weird.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, no one wins wit wars.
Politicians, bankers, and multinational corporations win wit wars, but no one else wins.
tim pool
It's ideology.
And it's a question of, I would say, perhaps it's a bit reductive, but not having access to classified documents.
Vladimir Putin does not want to be subservient to NATO, the UN, to the World Economic Forum.
It doesn't mean he's a good guy.
It means he's standing there being like, I ain't doing it.
And they're like, there's more of us than you and we're stronger.
And he's like, don't care.
Try me.
So there's no, he's going to be our greatest ally.
If, if, uh, you know, a communist authoritarian came up to you in and said, work with me to throw people in a gulag, would you do it?
ian crossland
Uh, not, no, I would say no.
tim pool
So I'm not saying that's what is literally happening between the two powers.
I'm saying there is a line where you would be like, I will never work with you.
We will not be allies because the ideologies are just too disparate.
ian crossland
Yeah, it would be, I don't want to adhere to the World Economic Forum's laws and sanctions and give corporations the ability to sue American taxpayers if we don't buy their products.
Like, that's what the trade, the TPP, Trans-Pacific Partnership, wanted with their investor state dispute settlement clause that got Trump, thank God, overturned.
I don't want that stuff either.
I don't think Putin wants that crap.
tim pool
I think so.
ian crossland
So we need to build something better.
But we're not going to do it if we're at war.
tim pool
But see, Russia is doing something similar when they're trying to build up the Russian Trade Federation.
I guess maybe it's a bit hyperbolic to say, but Putin just said today that the fall of the Soviet Union was terrible and the leaders left all the people to just fend for themselves.
He has consistently expressed dismay at the fall of the Soviet Union.
And it looks like all of his actions that he's been doing in terms of building up this federation.
He wanted Ukraine to join the Russian Trade Federation.
He wants to build what the West is also doing.
So it's just like, pick your poison.
I happen to think this.
Ladies and gentlemen, you want the U.S.
to win.
More importantly, we need to win politically so we can stop the war.
But if a war is going to happen, you want the U.S.
to win for one simple reason.
You live in it.
And as much as you might really hate Joe Biden, despise his politics, because I certainly don't like the guy, at least you can recognize you share one thing in common.
You share a place, like you share the United States.
And so that means as much as Biden might be selling us out and being corrupt, he doesn't want to lose his property value.
So even if that means on a scale of one to a hundred, with a hundred being like shared values and one being like barely any, you have one.
With Putin, you don't have any.
Putin, some people are posting things like, oh, but he opposes Satanism and the... No, we're not.
will chamberlain
You don't want Putin to win.
tim pool
No, Putin is a different kind of the same bad.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
Of a similar bad.
luke rudkowski
He's another politician.
tim pool
So it's a rock and a hard place.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he's another politician.
tim pool
Who's been in power for how long?
ian crossland
22 years?
luke rudkowski
Many decades.
Who's looking out for himself and looking out for his country and his interests.
And a counter argument I would make is that no one's going to win this war.
If there's a war, no one's winning this one.
tim pool
I'm going to win.
You know why?
Because I got chickens.
will chamberlain
I think I read somewhere for something pretty insightful, which was that, you know, we tend to be very annoyed with like the Biden and the Democrats hypocrisy when it comes to this stuff.
And it's very frustrating.
And one thing about Putin is he's not really a hypocrite.
He's just sort of will to power, you know, straightforward, like, yes, actually, I just want to conquer your country.
And I'm going to do that now.
Rather than sort of like, you know, mixing messages.
tim pool
Machinations.
will chamberlain
Machinations.
And so, like, there's a tendency for us being super frustrated with how ridiculous the Democrats' rationalizations can be.
That we're just like, oh, breath of fresh air.
Somebody who just says what he wants.
But you have to realize, like, no, no, no, that's actually, you know, That's still, that's very, very evil and wrong, right?
Like, to have this will-to-power style of Putin and just conquer, trying to conquer your neighbors.
luke rudkowski
Well, that's what almost every politician is, essentially, if you kind of go down to the bare minimum of it.
And Putin did, you know, does release a lot of, you know, disinformation, a lot of propaganda.
He does like to confuse people.
He does, you know, use a lot of different tactics that the West doesn't usually deploy.
And I remember seeing, I forgot which documentary this was, but it was describing his strategy of financing his opponents, of creating confusion, of creating a situation where you weren't able to fully understand the larger political ramifications of it, but while everyone is confused and debating, he gets all the power himself.
I forgot the documentary that perfectly described this kind of larger psychological trick that politicians play on the people.
I'm going to try to remember as much as I can.
That's one.
Yeah, I mean, that's what politicians always do.
How do you know a politician's lying?
tim pool
His mouth is moving.
luke rudkowski
His mouth is moving.
Exactly.
tim pool
Wait, wait.
Their mouth is moving.
will chamberlain
That's right.
tim pool
Politicians can't be lazy.
unidentified
It.
ian crossland
I don't like that.
tim pool
His mouth is moving.
Yeah, politicians aren't people.
ian crossland
I don't like that Vladimir's been in power for 22 years.
That really upsets me, because I think the point of the Russian Federation was they were creating some sort of democratic republic.
I don't know if they consider themselves a republic, if it's just a federation at this point, whatever that means.
But he stepped out, and he was gone for a little while, and they said his lackey was running the show while he was behind the scenes.
But then it's like he came back, and at that time I was like, well, I think what he's doing is he's afraid that the liberal economic order, the military war machine, is going to take over the world, and he wants to make sure that it doesn't happen on his watch.
And until he's comfortable that the United States is the good guys again, he's going to be there protecting Russia.
But I don't that doesn't justify a great wars of aggression.
I don't justify that stuff.
Yeah, but it and maybe it's still that is his methodology.
Like if I let someone come into power, they're going to be weaker than me.
They're going to capitulate and I can't let that happen.
luke rudkowski
Hyper normalization is the term that I was looking for that describes what I was just saying.
It was a part of a BBC documentary from 2016 and there's a small clip of it that is absolutely fascinating and explains what Putin kind of mastered but I think is also being practiced here in the West as well that I think a lot of people should understand this larger trickery, these larger psychological tricks played on by politicians against the people.
Hyper normalization is the word of the day that you should Look up.
ian crossland
Filmed by Adam Curtis.
luke rudkowski
I was going to say look on the search engine.
Look on the brave search engine.
ian crossland
Since the 1970s, given up on complex real world and built a smaller fake world run by corporations and kept stable by politicians.
That's the impetus of the 2016 BBC documentary, Hyper Normalization.
And that runs parallel with like the insurance agencies that are attempting to take over the world medically and control, you know, doctors.
Seven minutes that they get to spend with their patients instead of the old doctor patient relationship.
Pharmaceutical companies and insurance agencies trying to run things.
tim pool
I just love how we have commercials where it's like, is Florbestron right for you?
Call your doctor.
And I'm like, no.
ian crossland
May cause death.
tim pool
Like, why would I call my doctor and be like, I saw a random ad for a drug, I have no idea what it does, but should we take it?
ian crossland
They looked happy on the commercial.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It was like, I don't know.
Yeah.
And then they're friends with the insurance salesman rep, and then they like the rep, they sell the rep's drug.
tim pool
I think it was Lunesta.
I think it was, remember Lunesta?
And I didn't know what it was.
I'm like, there's a butterfly.
It's like floating around.
What's happening?
And I guess maybe I was too young or whatever.
ian crossland
I think Rogaine was the first one.
Rogaine, they had Rogaine commercials in like the 90s and they never said what it was in the commercials.
I was like, what?
It's the only commercial I ever saw where they never said what it was.
And they just show people smiling.
And I was like, what is this?
tim pool
It's like Prozac.
It's like, I'm assuming whatever it is just makes you happy.
Yeah.
Imagine if they, well, it is kind of funny that there's a lot of drugs that are basically prescription drugs, derivatives of methamphetamine salts or just outright opiates.
And so they're basically like, we're going to make opium and heroin illegal.
But if you get a prescription of a different form of it, we're going to put a commercial on.
And I don't think they actually do commercials for that stuff, though.
But they certainly they crank it out through the pharmaceutical industry.
ian crossland
I don't know if we need American constitutionalism for the future.
We could have a global organization where we don't use the American Constitution and it's much different.
It terrifies me to think that a corporation would implement its function onto top-down governance and you'd have like, you know, World Economic Forum and Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson and, you know, Boeing running everyone's lives.
That's like, I don't like that.
That's why I like this decentralized kind of autonomy that we've got in the United States.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story we got in the Daily Mail.
Poland starts handing out anti-radiation tablets as battle rages around Ukraine nuclear power plant.
I don't think it's the nuclear power plant, but they do mention Putin's fresh nuke threat.
So I believe this is potassium iodide.
Yep, potassium iodide tablets.
Okay.
First, as a PSA to everybody to explain what this is, it's basically iodine.
What happens?
You eat it.
It goes into your thyroid.
When your body absorbs as much as it can, it will reject the rest.
If radioactive iodine is in the air, on the ground, or all over the place and you're eating, your body will absorb it and put radioactive iodine in your thyroid, which then causes problems.
This does not protect you from anything else.
People seem to think that, like, if there's a nuclear bomb that goes off, you take one of these and it protects you from the radiation.
Like, it protects your thyroid from iodine.
But there's, I mean, I don't know exactly what kind of radioactive materials are going to be littered all over the place.
But I do want to talk to everybody about the threat of nuclear war and what it really means.
And I'll bring up a good story.
Luke and I, we went to Fukushima.
And they told us... We didn't take potassium iodide when we went, did we?
unidentified
I don't think so, no.
tim pool
But they gave us suits.
And the suits were just cloth suits.
And I was kind of like, don't you have to have like some kind of special material?
And they're like, no, no, no, no.
What the suits do is when the dust and the particles land on you, when you leave, you take it all off.
So it's not on you.
And then you take a shower to wash it all off.
And I was like, oh, okay.
I thought it was like for like radiation and they were like alpha and beta particles.
They stick to you.
You then eat stuff.
It gets into your system.
But with Fukushima, there was MOX plutonium and there was iodine-131 or something like that.
The MOX plutonium was a heavy metal lit on the ground.
It sinks.
It drops.
The iodine kicks up.
So you take one of these pills, but then you pick something up off the ground and you can get some, you know, MOX plutonium or whatever it's called on you.
That ain't doing anything for you.
So, in the event of nuclear war, the other thing to consider, not every nuclear bomb has a radioactive yield.
That's, my understanding is that's intentional.
When a bomb goes off and it leaves radiation, like, they design it to do that.
And there are many nuclear bombs that actually don't, they just do fireballs, so.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, our understanding of nuclear weapons is still primitive compared to the advancements that were made within, what was it, like 90 years?
80 years?
Since the last... 80!
Yeah, 80 years.
So what we know of the nuclear weapon 80 years ago is absolutely nothing compared to what's out there right now and the technology and the possibilities that they have.
Putin And the Russian government a lot of times talk about flooding all of the United Kingdom with a radiation wave and using nuclear weapons underwater as a way to start a tsunami that is going to cover all of the United Kingdom.
This is what they talk about.
They even made graphics.
They even made a cartoon about this on Russian state television, which is just absolutely perplexing and insane.
tim pool
I got a question.
Why would Russia not have rods from God?
Um, why would they not have it?
Why would the US not have that for those unfamiliar?
It's a theoretical weapon where you put a ton, a series of tungsten rods in a satellite and it drops them in the force of gravity.
It's like what, like a hundred times more powerful than a nuke of the same size or something.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Some ridiculous massive explosive yield.
will chamberlain
Um, they might.
Who knows?
I don't know.
Like, I'm not familiar enough with where that technology is.
tim pool
Well, here's my point.
It's not so much about where the technology is.
It's that no one even knew they were building nukes in the first place.
Yeah.
There was speculation about this big project that was going on.
Some thought that it could be a nuclear weapon.
Some thought it was going to be a death ray.
Some thought it was teleportation or time travel.
People believed crazy things.
And then, lo and behold, it turned out to be this massive explosive device.
luke rudkowski
At the Manhattan Project that was spearheaded and started at the Bohemian Grove of all places, where a hundred thousand people were working on it, and only about two dozen knew exactly what they were working on.
will chamberlain
Right, I mean, that said, I don't know, I read, have you read The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes?
luke rudkowski
No, I have not.
will chamberlain
Very, very great book, by the way.
luke rudkowski
When I was looking into the Bohemian Grove, and then they were just bragging, oh, the nuclear bomb was pretty much created here, and I'm like, Kind of.
will chamberlain
My understanding, based on that book, was that there were a series of experiments done and publicized in 1939-1940 in Germany, of all places, where basically they split the uranium atom.
tim pool
Yeah, so, actually, I pulled the Wikipedia, Discovery of Nuclear Fission by German Chemists.
will chamberlain
Look at that, 1938.
How right am I?
Am I right?
Am I right?
luke rudkowski
And then Germany could have developed a nuclear weapon, but they kicked out their scientists because they had a religion that they didn't like.
And all the scientists went to the United States and they started building it here in the United States.
will chamberlain
Literally, the Nazis' anti-Semitism is actually a pretty good argument that maybe it's not exactly why they lost World War II, but it made their loss inevitable.
luke rudkowski
I mean, if Hitler had the nuclear bomb before anybody else, it would be game over.
unidentified
It would be game over.
tim pool
They had rockets.
unidentified
They were working on saucers as well.
luke rudkowski
Like the development of German technology in the early parts of that world war were absolutely just beyond belief.
ian crossland
You want to continue with what you're saying?
will chamberlain
So basically, but like once this experiment happened and there were Scientists around the world, having seen this experiment, understood the implication was a nuclear bomb is possible.
And so that's, you know, so Germany started working on it.
We started working on it.
I think England, you know, other countries started working on it too.
So it wasn't when you, like, I guess it wasn't a secret at that point.
It was sort of, if you were in the scientific community, it was like all the scientists started talking to the politicians of like, We know this is possible.
You should really invest in this because you don't want the other guy to get this first.
Because it's just how much energy was necessarily created from splitting the uranium atom was enough to make people realize that it could create a chain reaction and a bomb.
luke rudkowski
And I would even argue, you know, Germany lost World War II, but I would say the Nazis didn't.
will chamberlain
How so?
I mean, you mean because Werner Von Braun came to us or something?
luke rudkowski
One, a lot of them went to Argentina.
Two, the Russians and the Americans scooped them up right after the war and then had them work on NASA, had them work on the Russian space agency.
tim pool
What was that?
Was that Paperclip?
ian crossland
Yeah, that was one of the programs.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Operation Paperclip.
And the death of Hitler is still being contested by many historians.
There was no body as well.
So he could have been in Argentina this whole time.
Argentina gave them safe haven.
tim pool
Well, look, they did lose.
will chamberlain
That's not winning.
tim pool
Their influence escaped.
luke rudkowski
I'm making a very nuanced kind of argument here.
I'm saying that the ideology was passed on through a lot of the top figures being saved through Operation Paperclip.
will chamberlain
I don't know.
I mean, I wouldn't call Werner Von Braun like a top Nazi.
I mean, he was a member of the Nazi party, but he was a rocket scientist, right?
He was a rocket scientist in Germany.
Um, not saying he wasn't a bad guy or a good guy.
I'm just saying, like, he wasn't Goebbels, you know, some ideologist who's spreading it.
And then you look at people like Eichmann, you know, is the classic guy who went to Argentina.
I mean, he had to be incognito for 20 years before the Israelis finally found him, kidnapped him, and tried him in Israel.
tim pool
Not to mention, there's a bunch of really crazy stories, um, like the, uh, what is it?
Was it the Isdal Woman, I think it was called?
I went to, uh, this is an amazing story.
I went to Bergen, Norway a while back, and there's this legend they have where they found a woman dead up in the mountain, just outside of town, from smoke inhalation, they said.
And it's been a long time since I've gone through the story.
We interviewed a bunch of people in Bergen, and there were like passports, outfits, and so one of the leading theories was that she was Mossad, hunting down escaped Nazis in various countries, and they were being summarily executed, so not escaping.
But in this instance, this woman was killed by the person she was sent to assassinate, and so they found her body, didn't know she was, saw a bunch of aliases and passports, never figured it out.
But people are like, they believe that Mossad went on for decades, probably even still now, are hunting these people down.
There was a story out there long ago of like a guy was like 90-something years old, was it like 98?
ian crossland
Yeah, I heard of that.
tim pool
And he was like a Nazi guard and they found him.
ian crossland
They arrested him, didn't they?
tim pool
Yeah, and they deported him.
will chamberlain
There was a Netflix movie about that, I think.
It was like some But here's what people don't know.
tim pool
Here's what people don't understand is that many of these people who did escape probably died within a year from assassinations, and it's not in the news.
It's not gonna be in history books.
luke rudkowski
A lot of prominent people are connected to, you know, that history, whether it's Soros, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Canadian...
The minister lady, I forgot her name right now, but she also has ties to a lot of that darker kind of history.
But, you know, this is something that, you know, my people have kind of lived through being from Poland.
We hear about this all the time.
You know, this is something that my family, you know, lost a lot of its members to.
And it's still something that, you know, I think in hindsight should be talked about more, especially with the severe escalations we're seeing in Europe right now that many people believe is going to prompt another world war, which is just absolutely insane.
ian crossland
Yeah, Nazism wasn't stopped.
The German Third Reich was stopped, but Nazism wasn't.
It was in Eastern Ukraine.
It still is.
They call them the Azov now, the Azov Battalion.
It's like a neo-Nazi group.
tim pool
Wasn't there a picture of a guy standing with Zelensky that had, like, the Black Sun logo or something?
will chamberlain
Yep.
It is genuinely true that the Zelensky government is way too friendly with straight-up, like, anti-Semites.
Yeah.
I mean, that was, they were roundly, I mean, they named one of their major streets after a guy named Stepan Bandera.
ian crossland
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Who was involved in pogroms against the Jewish community in advance of the Germans coming in.
Um, you know, and, and they're all these guys they're hailing is like Ukrainian heroes and Ukrainian nationalists.
Well, those are the guys who like fought the Russians and sided with the Nazis.
And usually we're doing the Nazis bidding before the Nazi showed up.
luke rudkowski
Well, Ukraine is also in a tough position because that's some of the best fighters that they have.
And the Ukrainian government is like, okay, let's stop talking about this because we need to fight a war and this is how they're kind of excusing it.
But there's a whole, I think, a battalion inside of the official Ukrainian military that was officially recognized that did have extreme far-right kind of ideas.
And there's no denying that.
It's something that, of course, the Russians kind of bring up all the time.
But this is, you know, a battalion and a lot of the stuff gets contested here.
But you're not wrong, Ian.
ian crossland
It's the Azov regiment formed from volunteers integrated into the National Guard of Ukraine.
At least, this is what I've been told.
The Azov are the neo-Nazis.
That's the symbol.
It's basically a swastika at an angle.
Not a complete swastika, but it's got, you know... I don't know if you put... Yeah, there it is.
That blue symbol on the right.
I don't know.
This is what I hear.
This is propaganda.
But I can't imagine being in the United States and hearing propaganda that are supposed to be allies of the Nazis.
will chamberlain
It's not merely propaganda.
There's real truth to that.
I mean, you can look into...
You know, Jewish associations lighting up the Ukrainian government for their actions in support of Azov and a lot of their public resurrection of these World War II figures who were anti-Semitic.
ian crossland
Another problem with war is pushing countries to war is that the worst, I'm not saying that the Azov are the worst, but violent extremists will rise up to fight because those might be your best fighters because they're violent extremists.
That's what they do is they know how to fight.
will chamberlain
This weird, like, problem for Ukrainian nationalism in general, right?
Because Ukraine doesn't have this long and deep history as an independent nation, so they're, they're kind of have to reach for these figures of nationalist pride in Ukraine who have these very, very checkered pasts.
ian crossland
I'd love to see Ukraine become a neutral territory in some way.
Like, like Switzerland.
Like, it's in a, it's in a position where it should be.
It's like a, it's like the cerebral cortex of Eurasia.
will chamberlain
It should have been a buffer state.
It should have been a buffer state.
That would have been much better for everybody, right?
Much better for It's flat.
So it's not Ukraine.
luke rudkowski
It's like a Hong Kong or like a Singapore.
But Ukraine also has a lot of natural gas and a lot of energy exploration is being found in that country, which threatens the Russian petrostate.
And this is, I think, another reason why Russia is being so aggressive, especially in the southern parts, where a lot of this new energy has been found and will contest Russia as a petrostate and contend with it directly, which, of course, Russia can't have because that's one of its major Assets, it's energy that it provides the world.
unidentified
Oil, gas, oil, energy.
luke rudkowski
So yeah, complex situation.
Very confusing.
Lots of different sides.
Lots of different atrocities.
No one wins in war.
And please, my goodness, let's try to call for some de-escalations here and stop with this madness and people dying for the whims of politicians and their aspirations.
tim pool
Well, we got a midterm coming up, and investors.com, Dow Jones drops on hot inflation data.
So we're down what?
We're down again several percentage points?
What's going on?
The market's imploding.
We're seeing real estate prices drop.
We're seeing inflation across the board.
I think food prices are up in Germany, what, like 19% or something?
Yeah, I don't know something like that double digits.
Oh, it's gonna be bad So well so aside from the potassium iodide what kind of emergency food?
ian crossland
I Cook with a lot of lentils.
I'm it's like Ian's cooking lentils every day red lentils, baby.
will chamberlain
Oh This is why it's actually nice to be in America.
We have a lot of food in this country.
We don't need to import it.
We're not in the position of a lot of countries that do.
We really are blessed by our geographic advantages in so many different ways.
Oh yeah.
Oceans on two sides of us.
Substantially smaller countries on the north and south.
luke rudkowski
Good neighbors.
will chamberlain
Good neighbors.
Incredible waterways.
I think somebody did a map once where they described the navigable waterways of the United Huge mountains that, of course, are very difficult to traverse.
Sure.
tim pool
It's amazing.
But, you know, yeah, I mean, so... And you can build stuff in them, like underground bases.
unidentified
That's right.
will chamberlain
That can withstand nuclear... I'm just saying, there's so much natural farmland in the United States, it just dwarfs almost anywhere else in the world, in terms of just the amount of farmland and the ability for a country to produce its own food.
tim pool
Yeah, and we don't we don't have to buy cat food actually because Bocas just caught a squirrel the other day Again, no, I just thought I'm talking about the one that he got and he he went into one of the ramps We couldn't get him out and I guess he just ate it So, you know, well, there's that that's cheap when you live out here in the middle of nowhere, man You can you can grow your own food.
It's pawpaw season guys.
You know, we we had a pawpaw bread today.
It was amazing Oh pawpaws hillbilly banana So, uh, there's food aplenty.
But if you live in a big city like New York or even outside of one like, I don't know, Arlington, for instance, you're probably in trouble.
luke rudkowski
Especially with the potential attacks on infrastructure.
So, if energy goes out, if the internet goes out, which, again, a lot of it is dependent on underground sea cables, which I think we should be keeping a close eye on, because I do believe there's going to be some significant attacks on those.
will chamberlain
That's a logical way for Russia to retaliate against us.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
will chamberlain
That's very logical.
tim pool
You're gonna be watching your House of Dragons, and it's gonna cut off, and then it's gonna be like, we can't load because Russia cut a cable.
ian crossland
What do you do?
Or you can't communicate with somebody?
luke rudkowski
Or you can't have energy?
I mean, if you can't have energy or communications in a place like New York City, I mean, you're screwed.
tim pool
People don't understand how spoiled we've gotten.
I want you to imagine this scenario.
You're sitting at your house, when all of a sudden the power goes out.
Cell lines are down.
Your phone doesn't work, you can't text anybody, you have no internet, it's just you and your family.
You live, let's say you live in a small suburban community.
All of a sudden, you know, it's a couple hours, you're talking to your neighbors like, what's going on?
We don't know.
Military vehicles pull up.
ian crossland
They tell you- You're lucky.
tim pool
They tell you, get everybody, line up, line up!
What do you do?
You have no idea who they are, you have no idea what's going on.
Do you just say yes?
What if it's the enemy?
What if something serious- What if they took out a substation?
What if they've invaded?
What do you do?
ian crossland
Well, I would say if the military shows up in a situation like that, comply.
Because it's probably the good guys, if they'd show up right away.
lydia smith
What?
unidentified
Are you crazy?
ian crossland
Look at them.
If they have American insignias on them, don't fight them.
They're probably there to help.
There's probably a National Guard coming out if something really bad happens, but, you know.
unidentified
Obviously don't just learn you have learned nothing Don't you know don't think don't go full paranoia insane
ian crossland
mode right away if something bad happens You know keep your wits about you and remember that we're
tim pool
on American soil. We're all here together When your power and communications go down and a military
vehicle pulls up no don't comply demand confirmation Yeah, but I mean don't be so
ian crossland
Don't open fire, basically, is what I'm saying.
unidentified
Like, just be, leave and let be.
luke rudkowski
You know, you don't have to comply, you don't have to go along with whatever military men show up at your door and want you to do.
will chamberlain
Is it an assessment of, like, what the odds are whether they're friendly or enemy military?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
will chamberlain
I mean, obviously, the odds are it's a friendly military.
But it's not like a coup d'etat.
luke rudkowski
Or if there's, like, a coup d'etat, you know.
unidentified
Exactly.
will chamberlain
Well, but that'll be in D.C., right?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but that will have effects.
tim pool
But it's not even about that.
It's about they've rounded Americans up before and put them in camps.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
In World War II, this happened.
unidentified
But even, even, I mean... Don't just say, sure, I'll get on the bus.
will chamberlain
Well, but like, should, should the Japanese have violently resisted the efforts of... Would that have been smart for the Japanese?
tim pool
They could have peacefully and passively resisted, at the very least.
will chamberlain
I don't know, I just, I think it, you know, it's one of those, like, horrible things, but the outcomes for the Japanese people who resisted would not have been better than those that complied.
Like, it's an appalling human rights abuse by our government.
But that doesn't mean that, like, the correct and practical course of action for the victims of that oppression was to violently resist.
tim pool
I'm not sure, at the same time, the appropriate response is to willfully enter a concentration camp.
ian crossland
No, no, don't just jump into the fire when you see it burning, but, you know, use discretion and don't just assume it's the enemy if something bad happens.
luke rudkowski
You don't have to resist, you don't have to comply either, but, you know, you could force the issue and make it more of a debate, more of a conversation.
tim pool
Yeah, sure, you could definitely make it We're talking about overt violations of the Constitution.
Criminal actions being made against the American citizens because they were scared that some of them, because of the way they looked, may have been spies.
luke rudkowski
In hindsight, if you were Japanese during World War II, what would you do?
will chamberlain
I don't know.
That's like it.
I'd try to, I think that I would try and avoid detection by the, right, I would try and avoid it.
I wouldn't, I don't think I'd like start shooting at government agents to avoid being taken to a, to one of the camps, but I think I would try and like, you know, I'd try and avoid them, hide.
luke rudkowski
You want to, of course, try to go through everything before resorting to violence.
You want to try all options, peaceful disobedience, protesting, but like, It's a difficult situation.
tim pool
What should the Jews in Germany have done?
will chamberlain
Different, I mean, different given that the, I mean, and I think the Warsaw Uprising demonstrates this, right?
Like the way that it was, there is a category difference between how we treated the Japanese people and how the Nazis treated Jews, right?
Yeah.
You know, the camps versus genocide is a big, big gulf.
tim pool
But a lot of the Jewish people, and it wasn't just Jewish people, it was Polish people, it was gay people, a lot of these people.
luke rudkowski
Handicapped people, as well, gypsies.
tim pool
A lot of them, they weren't beaten and dragged into these train carts.
Many of them were just, they pulled up and said, alright, you know, we're getting in, we're bringing you to a camp.
luke rudkowski
Well, a lot of them were also work camps.
Like, my family got sent to a work camp.
And then they had death camps as well.
So, my great-grandmother was in a work camp with my grandmother.
My grandmother tells me the stories and the craziness of that situation.
And, you know, she was extremely lucky, and randomly, a family just decided to pick her up after her mother, my great-grandmother, was sent off to death camp, and she died there.
And a family adopted my grandmother, and that's the only reason she survived.
That's the only reason I'm here today.
ian crossland
They went to a work camp and picked her up?
luke rudkowski
In Poland, when the German government took over during World War II, if you had a number of kids, you didn't have to pay taxes.
And the state liked that you had a number of kids because you were procreating, so there was a family that didn't have enough kids to not pay taxes, didn't have enough kids to get the government benefits, so they adopted one off of one of the trains that was heading off to the Stutthof camp.
And that's where, you know, my great-grandmother passed away.
So in hindsight, you know, I mean, it's something people should consider.
tim pool
Luke was born in a Soviet satellite.
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
My family took part in the Solidarnosc protest.
That, of course, was a big part of taking down communism.
A big part of taking down the Soviet Union.
tim pool
Now people know where he gets it from.
luke rudkowski
Well, yeah, absolutely!
You know, you're raised in this stuff, and you have your family tell you, hey, this happened to your uncle, this is the torture that he went through, hey, this is the secret jail, the secret, you know, this is the craziness that we faced this here, then, and then, and then, and you keep hearing these stories, and it's just absolutely It builds who you are because it teaches you the important lessons of history that sadly a lot of people have forgotten and this is why I'm so passionate about these issues.
This is why I've been at this for so long because the writing is on the wall and I think it's only a matter of time until we repeat history and I think in many instances we already have.
ian crossland
You mentioned communications being part of the danger of loss of electricity and all that in New York or wherever, but like, so would it be wise for people then to get CB radios with like a solar charger or something?
Probably get that for a hundred bucks.
tim pool
A regular AM FM radio.
ian crossland
Yeah, 28 bucks.
tim pool
Hand crank.
You ever see those?
You can crank it to charge the battery.
will chamberlain
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
It's exhausting.
You charge for a while, but it works.
tim pool
But you want to hear what's going on because they may say... You'll turn the radio on and it'll say a large group of whatever are heading south down I-90.
Leave the area now.
You know, it's estimated they'll arrive within one hour and then you're gonna be like, okay, it's time to get out of here.
ian crossland
Yeah, two-way radio, too.
unidentified
That'll, if the internet goes out... Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that's happening in Ukraine, I'm sure.
will chamberlain
Or happened, especially during the advances.
tim pool
I mean, people just don't get it.
All right?
Imagine you're in your neighborhood.
Imagine there's shooting going on in every direction.
You walk outside.
It's cold.
Do you wear a coat?
Yes or no?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
You get shot.
will chamberlain
Oh, right.
tim pool
Someone sees you, they don't know what you're carrying, they say, don't know, don't care, I'm not taking the risk.
When there's active conflict going on, so this is actually something that happened, a guy, I think it was like a civilian, was walking down the street, someone shot him because they were like, the coat was big, they couldn't tell if he was armed or not, and they didn't want to take a risk.
Because there's Russian and Ukrainian forces fighting, you see a random guy, you say, You wanna risk it?
You wanna be the one to walk over to him and make sure that he's on your side or not?
Or would you rather just sweep the area with your team you know you can trust and say, screw it to everybody else?
People don't get what war is like.
I'm not gonna pretend to have been in it.
I've been in civil unrest and some civil conflict, and even then, it's crazy.
The craziest thing about it is how normal things continue.
This is what really bugs me about the whole Civil War narrative, when Scott Adams and Bill Burr were like, go outside, nobody's fighting.
Scott Adams said, there's not going to be a Civil War.
You know how I know?
And then he said, there's no appetite for it outside of Twitter's imagination.
And someone responded, how do you know?
He said, what's your source?
He said, I went outside.
Yes, I've been, I was in Kiev during the Euromaidan protests.
There were riots, there were police, it was getting crazy, there were tents, and then you walk two blocks and you're at a shopping center.
In fact, the shopping center was in the Maidan Square.
So like, you could walk from the protests, Where there have been people firebombing tanks or APCs and you can walk inside and I'm gonna buy this coat right here and this shopping.
In Egypt during the revolution, you could walk two blocks from Tahrir Square and there's a McDonald's with people eating cheeseburgers and they're watching the game.
In the Hilton Hotel!
You could walk in while people... This is the craziest thing.
I'm on the 26th floor looking down.
People are throwing things at each other.
They're shooting each other.
It was two rival factions.
Secular Group and the Muslim Brotherhood.
APCs start rolling through with people riding on top.
They're hooting and hollering.
I walk 10 feet and there's a casino.
People are playing games and acting like nothing is happening.
People seem to think that when war breaks out, it's everyone running around, flailing, throwing things and screaming.
People still have to live.
Stores try to operate sometimes it gets so bad that the bullets stop people from doing it But if you've if you know you look at these videos out of Syria And there are people walking down the street carrying like a basket full of fruits while there's like shelling going on.
What are they supposed to do?
They gotta eat.
Humans still have to do these things.
The best, the craziest thing, when the war in Syria broke out, we tried pursuing this story while at Vice.
The Damascus tourism board was advertising for people, even in the United States, to come party and enjoy the nightlife of Damascus when there were like fears of sarin gas attacks.
And so we were like, we were at Vice and we were like, can we do this?
Like, can we go to Damascus and film a video that's literally just us partying and entertaining what they're advertising while acknowledging this war is going on?
ian crossland
So you're saying you don't shut down for war, but maybe for a virus sometimes?
I don't get it.
What's worse here?
You know, shout out to Elon Musk and Starlink and anyone else that's working on satellite internet, because if our terrestrial internet does go down, which is sounds extremely vulnerable, if it's underwater and cables right along where those pipelines run, they just got one of those, we need, you know, a backup.
And if we got internet satellites, then at least we'll be able to keep talking to each other.
I think that we can maintain order in a blackout.
tim pool
There's satellite communications, two-way texting devices.
They're only a couple hundred bucks.
I recommend it.
will chamberlain
Yeah, satellite internet's gotten a lot better.
That's why Wi-Fi is a lot better on planes now.
luke rudkowski
The new iPhones have satellite capabilities as well.
unidentified
What?
luke rudkowski
Yep, the new iPhones, if you get lost and there's no cell phone service, You could literally use the iPhone as a way to track down satellites, as a way to send out an SOS signal and reach search and rescue anywhere and everywhere.
unidentified
SOS via satellite.
tim pool
That's impressive.
So I mean, yeah.
So 10 years ago, I was doing, a buddy of mine was doing security consulting.
I was assisting him.
He was a security guy.
I wasn't, but You know, I know a little bit about Infosec stuff and tech and drones, but one of the things that he got was a two-way texting device that allows you to send text messages.
It's this little gray box.
I'd have to imagine 10 years later, the technology's vastly improved.
So that's really cool.
luke rudkowski
And now it's in your cell phone.
tim pool
The new iPhone 14.
Well, he's got one.
ian crossland
Great.
will chamberlain
It's not even the phone, it's in the software update.
I think my phone, which is a 13, I remember seeing the SOS icon.
luke rudkowski
I'm not sure, because it's a new antenna that they're using to link with the satellite.
You might be right, but I'm not sure.
will chamberlain
I think my phone suggests it, because when I have no bars, I see SOS, and I'm like, that must be it.
tim pool
Takes over a minute to send under trees with light or medium foliage.
That's crazy.
If you're in ideal conditions, you have a view of the sky and the horizon, it'll take 15 seconds to send.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, it's just an SOS call?
You don't get to send text?
Can you send text?
luke rudkowski
Well, you send information about what's going on here, and you go through the prompts, especially if you're lost.
tim pool
It is iPhone 14.
will chamberlain
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, it says, well, it is coming with an update, but it says using emergency SOS via your iPhone 14.
will chamberlain
Okay, I guess you do have to have an iPhone 14, yeah.
tim pool
Wow, I actually want to get one now.
Imagine you're hiking and you get lost.
Yeah, that's really, that's... You just hold it up and just wait for a minute.
unidentified
That's crazy.
tim pool
And then they're gonna get a GPS coordinate, and then you just bunker down.
will chamberlain
Right.
luke rudkowski
Wow.
tim pool
Cool stuff.
will chamberlain
Modern technology.
That's awesome.
ian crossland
Yeah, it can be used to track you everywhere you go, of course.
luke rudkowski
Including completely off the grid.
There's probably a backdoor in there that, of course, is like satellites.
We can't see what he's saying!
Send in the satellite!
ian crossland
But it gives you the chance to track yourself, which is pretty cool.
This software should be free for sure.
luke rudkowski
Now there's no escaping the DARPA darknet and the surveillance system.
tim pool
Well, the worrying thing is that technologies eventually become necessities.
Luxuries become necessities.
So what happens is in 20 years, you're walking through a forest, there's a, you know, a guy driving, you know, a park employee or a park ranger pulls up and he goes, You didn't register on the beacon system.
Where's your GPS?
It's like, I don't have one.
Put your hands behind your back.
ian crossland
But I'm from 2021!
Let me go!
luke rudkowski
Where's your permission slip to be in nature?
Which is what they're doing more and more of.
You literally need permission slip to go into a lot of national parks, and you need to make reservations sometimes years in advance.
It's absolutely crazy that the government is limiting people's ability to be in nature, and that's just... I want to use some French language here, but I won't.
Absolutely wrong.
ian crossland
That's funny that they call it French.
When people start swearing up a storm, they're like, that's French, man.
tim pool
I love the French.
ian crossland
Shout out to the French, man, and their statue of liberty.
tim pool
All right, let's talk about Elon Musk.
So, for those that don't know, Elon Musk's text messages have been released.
Not all of them, but many of them.
And some of them are, like, really silly.
Like, what is this?
I jump on a grand for you.
Like, I jump on a grand for you.
Well, this is what happens when someone's got an iPhone and then they like your text.
Android users see this ridiculous message.
Yeah, and I get it, and I'll say something like, you know, like, oh man, I'm feeling sick, and it'll be like, liked, oh man, I'm feeling sick, and I'm like, thanks for letting me know, I guess.
But I like that one, you're just tapping it.
So, Will, what's going on here?
Elon Musk is apparently gonna have to buy Twitter, what's the deal?
will chamberlain
I mean, yeah, so the litigation's ongoing.
Remember that Twitter sued Elon Musk to try and make him buy the company and go through with the merger agreement.
I mean, and I've predicted for quite some time that Elon is gonna lose this lawsuit, and he's gonna be forced to buy Twitter.
The trial's coming up in a couple weeks.
But anyway, the reason we're seeing all this stuff is because right now they're doing this really rushed discovery process and everybody's producing everything, including all of Elon's text messages with people that relate in any way to the Twitter buyout.
And so some of these are absolutely hilarious.
There was a whole text conversation.
I think I sent it to the group.
tim pool
Here's one from... Who is this?
will chamberlain
Oh, this is with Jason Calacanis.
tim pool
What's going on with you marketing and SPV to randos?
This is not okay.
Not randos.
I have the largest angel syndicate and that's how I invest, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, so what are some of the good ones?
will chamberlain
Oh, the good ones are this one with Parag.
So Parag, I think I put this on the Twitter group chat.
luke rudkowski
Parag is the CEO of Twitter.
will chamberlain
Yeah, he says, yeah, Parag's the CEO of Twitter.
He says, you are free to tweet, quote, is Twitter dying, end quote, or anything else about Twitter, but it's my responsibility to tell you that it's not helping me make Twitter better in the current context.
Next time we speak, I'd like to provide you with perspective on the internal distraction, how it's causing it, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Elon responds, what did you get done this week?
I'm not joining the board.
This is a waste of time.
We'll make an offer to take Twitter private.
tim pool
Imagine talking to someone like Parag.
Like the way he talked, it's just, I'd be like, come on guys, say words.
Let's, let's, let's figure out what you need to get done that you don't like.
ian crossland
There's two typos in Parag's response.
I'd like to you provide you perspective, and then on the level of internal distraction right now, and how it hurting our ability to do work.
Like, he's the CEO of Twitter, and he gets two typos and a message to Elon Musk, who wants to spend 54 billion dollars, but the guy can't get his text right.
Right.
I would also be very annoyed if I got a text like that from someone that was purporting to be a CEO.
Check your text.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I think it does show that sort of the decision to go and take Twitter private was a little bit emotional on Elon's part and kind of impulsive.
tim pool
Yeah, he probably regretted it, huh?
will chamberlain
Yeah, and I think that's the heart of a lawsuit, is that you just have buyer's remorse.
You just suddenly realize... The value tanked.
you know well not that the value tank but he thought he saw a general market downturn coming
and the the amount of money that it was going to take to buy twitter was just too big a portion of
his net worth and would have too many implications on tesla and and spacex yeah that and twitter's
you know trash yeah but i don't know i I think that was never why Elon really wanted to buy it.
He always said it wasn't an economic rationale and I heard that.
tim pool
I got a question.
What does Elon care about his net worth?
will chamberlain
I mean, I understand wanting to build stuff, but I mean, it implicates his ability to continue to control what happens at Tesla, for example, because most of his net worth is bound up in Tesla stock.
tim pool
So I guess it would take too much of his stock.
will chamberlain
Right.
So we'd have to sell too much of it.
The value would go down.
His overall control of Tesla might decrease.
I'm not exactly sure if Tesla operates with the Class A, Class B shares that always means that Elon's taking charge.
tim pool
This is a question, you know.
Here's a question, right?
I've spent a long time working on this YouTube channel, as well as many other people.
And it's like, would I sacrifice these if it meant I got to own Twitter and then shut Twitter down?
And I'm kind of like, hmm, maybe.
will chamberlain
I think ultimately Twitter is going to be a better business than Tesla, frankly.
luke rudkowski
Well, Tesla is working on a lot of things like personalized robots.
I don't know if you heard about this one.
will chamberlain
They might be, but I'm still, I mean, their basic business is car manufacturing and car manufacturing is a terrible business.
It's just super capital intensive.
I mean, every other car manufacturer in the world trades at like a price to earnings ratio of six
or something, which is just way below average.
luke rudkowski
And the government's not giving him any subsidies.
They're giving it to a lot of other companies.
will chamberlain
So it's just, I think, you know, being an auto manufacturer is actually a really rough
and hard business.
There's a reason Tesla was like, a few years ago, was like nearly going bankrupt.
luke rudkowski
And why a lot of the big manufacturers go to Mexico or China.
will chamberlain
Oh yeah, and I mean, think about all the constant bankruptcies you hear about GM and Ford.
And I mean, it's super competitive too.
That's the other thing.
Elon's not the only guy making electric cars.
There's a billion other manufacturers coming out with them.
So I look at Twitter and Twitter's kind of got this almost monopoly on this particular type
of public square communication.
It's just a question of how to monetize it.
But, you know, compare it, like all the Twitter competitors are getting wrecked.
It's not the same in car manufacturers where there's a lot of effective competition.
ian crossland
Mine doesn't have a lot of overhead, which is a big upside.
Like Twitter's got, I don't know, 5,000 employees?
will chamberlain
Sure.
ian crossland
It's a ridiculous amount of money you spend on that.
I don't even know what they're doing.
will chamberlain
Fire them all.
But like, I mean, think about what happened to Parler, right?
Like Parler, I don't know if you saw, there was actually a small news item, but the new Parler CEO basically said they're They're pivoting away from their legacy social media business into servers, similar to Rumble, create the uncancellable economy.
Gab's been getting wrecked, right?
I see.
tim pool
Cloud services.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
Basically, that's the new CEO of Parler looking at it and like, wow, this social media business is not going anywhere.
I'm going to do something else with this company.
ian crossland
Jason, is he still the CEO?
The new CEO?
will chamberlain
No, Jason left.
I think it's Candace Owen's husband is the new CEO of Parler.
George Farmer.
tim pool
Parler and Getter and Gab.
will chamberlain
I mean, Getter is just funded by the Chinese billionaire, the guy who funds Bannon.
tim pool
I thought he was bankrupt.
will chamberlain
I don't think he's bankrupt, but that's where the original funding for that came from.
ian crossland
Jason Miller of Getter is who I was talking about, and he's still CEO.
See, that's the thing.
I got Parler and Getter mixed up.
They're both er, Twitter, Getter, Parler.
They're just copying Carbon.
What's the difference here?
will chamberlain
It's all proprietary with no E, just the consonant and then the R. The only way they're trying to compete, their entire competitive advantage is we don't censor.
But that's not really a competitive advantage.
The end result of that is, the core of your user base then becomes the people who were censored.
tim pool
I don't even know why people use Twitter!
will chamberlain
I don't know, I mean, I like Twitter, and Twitter's where everybody else is, so it's still the functional public square.
I think this is one of those, Twitter and this particular type of social media business is just, it's a natural monopoly.
tim pool
Elon, he needs to buy it, man.
will chamberlain
Yeah, things would be so much better if he did.
tim pool
Because we need Alex Jones back, we need Carl Benjamin back, we need Milo Yiannopoulos back, we need Laura Loomer back.
These people should be on there, they should be saying what they think, and they should be allowed to say what they think.
will chamberlain
Yeah, Elon, I mean, just settle, dude.
You're gonna lose anyway.
He's going to lose this lawsuit, settle, buy the company.
tim pool
Maybe that's the idea.
He's going to get it cheaper now just by forcing a settlement.
will chamberlain
Maybe, but we're close to a trial and an order from the judge that says, yeah, Elon, you are ordered to buy the company at this price.
tim pool
But what if he can't?
will chamberlain
Oh, he can.
He has the money.
And everybody knows he has the money.
You can do public, based on his public holdings of Tesla, for example.
tim pool
But can they force liquidation of Tesla stock?
will chamberlain
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
will chamberlain
And hold him in contempt.
Well, basically, they can hold him in contempt until he does it, and charge it, and find him enough money that effectively enforces it.
tim pool
Yeah, I think you said this before, that a judge can hold you in contempt in a way that's reasonable to make you comply.
Right.
Meaning, like, if you're very wealthy, they will just make it painful for you.
will chamberlain
Right.
There's no limit to the amount they can fine you if you're just flouting a court order, right?
They're going to do as much as is necessary to get you to comply.
ian crossland
Did you guys see the Jack Dorsey Elon Musk texts?
Are those also from Discovery?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, it's like I have it all here, but there's like no way I'm gonna be able to go through.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's better formats I've seen of it.
CNBC did a story on it.
Jack Dorsey tried to get Elon Musk to report it.
But it's them talking about basically that they want to, they both want to decentralize the technology and work together.
And the Jack was like, I couldn't, I could try and get you on the board.
I got 3% of the company and really no pull there, but I'll see what I can do.
And then he's like, what I really want to do is use this stuff as a decentralized protocol.
And Elon's like, okay, I like that idea.
So if he buys Twitter, uses the software, frees the software code, makes it like a universal global effort to create a decentralized... Encrypts private messages so they can't get leaked to anyone.
Well, the downside of encrypted messages is if I send you something encrypted, you can send that to anyone.
You've got to trust the person on the other end, but the idea is it's encrypted between the two people that are using the message.
Yeah, encrypted messaging is key.
luke rudkowski
So how do you think this is going to play out?
How do you see this kind of going forward?
What's the timeline?
And then do you see a big kind of blowback if Elon does take over that there might be some efforts because Bill Gates already had a lot of secretive efforts with his I mean, I don't think they can really compromise it as a platform.
Elon Musk.
They had a big public beef.
He used a lot of his NGOs as a form to attack him.
Will there be attacks on Twitter to of course compromise it as a platform?
will chamberlain
I mean I don't think they can really compromise it as a platform.
I think you'll see the activists will be in a different position where because Elon won't
pay attention to the left-wing activists in the same way that the current management does.
luke rudkowski
What I'm speculating is, what if someone says, okay, well, Elon has the platform.
Now let's talk about how many bots are on the platform.
Oh, it's 50% of the platform.
will chamberlain
But it's a private company, so it's not subject to the same sort of securities regulations.
luke rudkowski
But someone could leak or try to, of course, sabotage the company.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, maybe, but it's the sort of obvious methods of sabotage that you're thinking of wouldn't work in the world where it's a private company, and then it doesn't have to obey securities laws in the same way, right?
Where it's, you know, it's one of the big disciplining things about our system, and I think people, you know, we think that the free market and capitalism only, you know, works because of competition, but one big thing is that public company CEOs have to tell the truth about their companies every three months in a way that politicians don't.
You know, politicians can just lie and lie and lie about the operation of the government and so can the department
heads and nobody goes Nobody's ever, you know threatened with jail for that
But if you are a public company CEO and you lie about your business results, you can go to jail for securities fraud
tim pool
But there's why don't we make it so that whenever you're inaugurated or whatever you swear an oath to you know, tell
will chamberlain
the truth Well, it's like, it's, it's like the government, the problem is it's the government trying to hold itself accountable for honesty and especially like the highest level officials.
And it just doesn't, it doesn't work the same way.
The reason this works is because the sovereign is imposing that discipline on, on public company CEOs.
ian crossland
I remember James Clapper testifying under oath that they weren't wittingly spying on the American people with the PRISM software, or the PRISM program, and they were.
But I mean, and they used the word wittingly, like maybe they were inadvertently doing it and didn't realize it, but I mean, I think they were kind of wittingly spying and like, no, there was no...
will chamberlain
Yeah, you know, there's these external consequences, right?
Like, even James Clapper should have been prosecuted, but, I mean, you can't, the intelligence agencies have their own problem, which is, like, ultimately the J. Edgar Hoover problem.
They know too much.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, lying to Congress, you know, that's a charge that's being thrown around right now.
will chamberlain
Hoover did that routinely.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
will chamberlain
All the CIA agents did that routinely.
luke rudkowski
But, you know, individuals like Roger Stone get charged for that.
Other individuals, like the former head of the CIA, that knowingly lie, that also get us into wars, no.
ian crossland
It's weird, it's like the industrial agriculture of politics is like, or what do you call it, when they have a bunch of like pig slaughterhouses in secret.
We don't want to look at it, we don't want to smell it, but we know those pigs are getting cut up in like tens by tens of thousands.
People are grabbing piglets and smashing them on the ground because they don't like them.
Like crazy people work in these slaughter shops.
We know it's happening, a lot of people do, but we're just letting it happen because we want that bacon.
We know the CIA is lying, but we just let it happen because we need a secret agency Telling lies for a living, like that's the whole point of the CIA.
tim pool
I don't know if you can compare the CIA to bacon, you know, bacon has a purpose.
luke rudkowski
Bacon actually helps people.
tim pool
I have bacon every morning and it's the light of my day.
will chamberlain
I'll tell you more about it.
I just started this CIA book and I'm going to read more about it.
luke rudkowski
What is it called?
will chamberlain
It's called, let me see, Legacy of Ashes.
Wow.
lydia smith
Sounds about right.
will chamberlain
Yeah, which is really, I mean, I think... Is that from the JFK quote?
I'm not sure.
luke rudkowski
JFK had a famous quote about what he wanted to do with the CIA.
tim pool
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
It was like, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna tear him up, set him on fire, and then piss on him!
ian crossland
There's a really great ex-CIA, former CIA counter-terrorist expert, Kevin Shipp, and I highly recommend looking up anything he does on the internet.
He wrote a book called From the Company of Shadows, talking about CIA operations abuse of secrecy, and he's like, Full out.
They've threatened his family, he said, since he's left and talked about it.
But he's like just straight up and telling you there's like a law they have that lets them lie.
It almost encourages for the name of national defense.
luke rudkowski
It's standard protocol.
What was Mike Pompeo's?
He said, you know, we were taught to lie, cheat and steal.
And that's exactly what we did.
He said something to that tone.
I forgot what it was.
I got to pull it up.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I've just, I also finished, same guy, Tim Weiner, wrote a book called Enemies, which was about the FBI.
That's also a really good book.
I've sort of been, you know, read about the FBI and the CIA since we're all talking about fixing them.
tim pool
Fixing.
will chamberlain
Yeah, dismantling.
But yeah, the big thesis of the CIA book so far is the CIA is actually incompetent.
We think of it as scary and over-abusive, but the big lesson is more than anything, it was just straight up incompetent and killed a lot of its own agents for no good reason.
luke rudkowski
Well, I would argue that's a cover, but that's just my own pure speculations.
But Mike Pompeo did say on the record, quote, we lied, we cheated, we stole, we had entire training courses.
It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment.
That's literally what he said, and now he might be running to be the next president of the United States.
ian crossland
The glory of the American experiment, meaning like stealing the land from the native population?
Uh, that's, you know, like telling them, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna make a deal with you and then not giving them this stuff.
I mean, there's a, well, I think it was known as the natives would give their land for like blankets and then they wanted the land back and they're like, no, you call that, they call it an Indian giver.
It was like this real offensive, you know, I'm not, they still call them Indian, like they're from India.
luke rudkowski
I'm not an expert in Indian history, but I know there's a lot of contention to what actually happened.
ian crossland
Indian history is in India, the Native American population, that was abuse of slander to call those people Indians, especially if they knew they didn't land in India.
And they knew that really early on.
tim pool
I think actually a lot of them don't care.
ian crossland
Well, I care.
But call Indians Indian, call Native Americans Americans.
That's my opinion.
I think that I don't know.
tim pool
We gotta jump to this story, my friends.
It's the end of an era.
Trevor Noah quits The Daily Show after Wokery saw viewing figures slump to around 363,000 a show.
Seven years of taking over from Jon Stewart, who routinely pulled in an audience of 1.5 million.
Yeah, I do think Wokery played a role, but I also think it's just a change in how media is being consumed.
I think Jon Stewart was the real talent.
Trevor Noah was kind of a nobody, so he couldn't really pull anything in.
And also, Who's gonna be watching this show?
will chamberlain
Yeah, Jon Stewart built that show.
Trevor Noah just inherited it.
tim pool
But this is still good news.
will chamberlain
Yes.
tim pool
I think Trevor Noah was bad.
He had half-truths and misinformation consistently on his show that he wouldn't fact-check.
And these are the kind of people that believed Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Hands Up, Don't Shoot, Ahmaud Arbery, you know, the Trayvon Martin stuff.
They believed all the lies, the manipulations.
So, seeing him go.
I was talking about this earlier.
It is the end of an era.
The corporate establishment, the woke establishment, they are dwindling.
James Corden, is that his name, that guy?
He's out.
Saturday Night Live got cancelled.
She's out.
ian crossland
Did Corden quit?
tim pool
I think he quit.
ian crossland
Did Trevor Noah quit?
tim pool
He is quitting.
He's not out yet, but he's announced his departure from the show.
And so, good.
Who are they gonna get?
This is effectively the end of this trash.
Jon Stewart may have had something back in the day, but he created this breed of mechanical, formulaic, fake political humor that has plagued this country for a decade.
So I'm glad to see Trevor Noah out.
Hopefully, things like this start to spread out and downturn.
Hopefully there's more of this.
will chamberlain
I mean, you know, the thing about Jon Stewart who destroyed Crossfire, you remember that?
That's right, that's right.
And Crossfire, at the time, he was like, this is partisan hackery, we can do so much better.
And it's like, Crossfire was the last time you had Republicans and Democrats regularly debating each other on equal terms on a major network.
tim pool
Jon Stewart comes in, smug as a button, and says, this is garbage, and mocks Tucker Carlson.
And what is Jon Stewart's legacy?
Garbage, formulaic, trash humor.
We get it, John Oliver.
It's the current year, little Timothy.
It's not just that.
It's that somebody actually wrote out the formula for John Oliver's show.
And it was like, say thing, compare it to thing in the past, say what year it is, then say Timothy.
And it was like, you're like, wow, he actually does that like half the time.
will chamberlain
That's crazy.
tim pool
And then it was like, they mentioned there would be beats with claps from the audience, like, and it was this meme that was talking about how this was basically programming people.
Say thing, call it absurd whether it's true or not, tell the audience to clap for it.
That's Jon Stewart's legacy.
Samantha Bee, all that stuff, gone.
Good.
will chamberlain
Yeah, and it's all been terrible.
Jon Stewart was the original, and I remember Jon Stewart being pretty funny at times.
He actually had real talent, but god, the derivatives of Jon Stewart were so bad.
tim pool
The echoes of Stewart.
ian crossland
The Colbert Report was horror.
I thought it was so bad.
He was pretending to be a warmonger, and you couldn't tell if he was being honest or not.
It was the worst propaganda.
tim pool
He was being honest.
ian crossland
He was being a warmonger.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
He was basically like, well, that's why we need war.
And you're like, is he?
People don't understand you're joking, bro.
Like that with you, you program people for a decade.
tim pool
Have you watched his show?
ian crossland
I nearly vomited for like 10 years.
Oh, he's totally corporate with a late show.
He wants money and he'll hide behind, you know, whoever's John Stewart.
tim pool
John Stewart's legacy is a plague on this country.
Like, Jordan Klepper is his name or whatever, Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert.
These are not good people helping this country.
will chamberlain
The only good alumni of The Daily Show are the people who went into acting, like Steve Carell.
That's it.
Right.
ian crossland
Yeah, he avoided political propaganda.
will chamberlain
He avoided the political stuff and he just did The Office and has been funny for a decade.
ian crossland
I mean Colbert was funny on the Daily Show when he was the correspondent.
I thought he's a funny actor, but his political crap is like just over the top.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I thought Colbert Report was better than the current version of Colbert's late night show, which is just pure, like the most banal thing ever.
tim pool
When Jon Stewart went on Colbert's show, the new one, and said that lab leak was the most likely scenario for COVID, and Colbert was pushing back like, no, no, no, no.
That contrast right there was the difference between what Jon Stewart started and what his legacy is.
will chamberlain
Right.
luke rudkowski
That's true.
And he was very busy also dancing with the syringes.
So he was preoccupied and couldn't really think straight there.
But who thought?
Just being a show for the establishment wasn't paying off.
And I think a big reason to why this is happening is because probably Comedy Central is running out of money.
And I think they're going to move into the same realm as MTV.
will chamberlain
Do they have anything now?
I mean, I guess they have South Parks now?
luke rudkowski
They have reruns of South Parks.
will chamberlain
I guess they don't even get original South Parks.
luke rudkowski
Which are now premiered originally on Paramount+.
So even Comedy Central doesn't have that.
So they're probably going to be running just reruns of old shows, Tosh.0, and just like MTV.
will chamberlain
And Jon Stewart.
I mean, Comedy Central was like the cable network.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
And it pushed the limit, especially with Chappelle.
It pushed the Overton window and it was able to have a conversation that was pretty spicy and wild.
tim pool
You know what this photo is?
luke rudkowski
Compliance.
will chamberlain
Daily Show audience.
tim pool
And what do you notice about it?
ian crossland
Masks.
tim pool
What year is it?
It's 2022, little Timothy!
Take off your mask!
What is going on with the Daily Show's audience that they're all still doing this?
will chamberlain
And they're not laughing, they're clapping.
tim pool
And it's a cult!
This is what a cult is.
They're not following the guidelines anymore.
They're in their own weird cult.
Yo, the Masked Maniacs are gone!
What are you doing?
What's going on, man?
It's been almost two, it's been over a year.
They're still doing it.
luke rudkowski
Crazy.
tim pool
Well, congratulations, Jon Stewart.
You know, he has come back and he's dabbled in wokeness and stuff now, too.
Because people are just desperate for relevance, I guess.
I mean, it must be said, you know, there's a lot of people who are in, say, the music industry, and they get a handful of hit songs.
Then the next album comes out, and it's like, it sells decently.
The next album comes out, and no one really cares.
And then their next album comes out, and it sells literally nothing, and they get dropped by their label.
These people lost it.
They're so desperate and scared that you offer them anything, they'll take it.
I saw reality TV dancing with the chef.
It's like, okay, you're going to dance and this guy's going to cook food at the same time.
Like I'll do anything.
ian crossland
I want to be the natural trajectory of a of a international here.
unidentified
Harvey Weinstein said loudly to his candidates, the modern superstar does different things.
ian crossland
You don't keep doing what made you famous when you were young.
You got to go on to the next thing, make some hit songs, make a hot TV show, learn Russian, learn how to cook, maybe start a bread baking company.
Like you've got to do new things.
You can't Back in the day, they just recycled the same garbage, but then they get unhappy, and then they start just playing the game to play the game, and they get lazy.
So, you've really got to branch out.
And because the reason you can do that is because all the tools are at your fingertips.
You can learn Russian tonight.
You can start baking.
You have access to every food on earth, essentially, right now.
Well, a lot of people do.
I'm very lucky to have access to every food on earth right now.
A lot of them.
So, you may or may not.
I don't know.
You know, you can look up ingredients online, you can look up recipes, you can start baking tonight.
There's so many things.
will chamberlain
It's never been easier to learn to cook, I will say that.
tim pool
That's very true.
You can't get wasabi.
luke rudkowski
Yeah?
ian crossland
Oh, scandalous.
tim pool
I think it's like you can only get it actually in Japan.
ian crossland
So what we have is like a weird... I'm being hyperbolic with every food on earth, but you have a wide variety of foods to choose from and recipes available at your fingertips.
Languages.
You can learn how to pilot with flight simulators.
Like right now, you can start learning the basics and then go take your pilot's exam.
luke rudkowski
You're making me hungry.
tim pool
I'm just waiting for that bacon to come in, so we ran out of the pre-wrapped bacon.
I had to order more, but it takes, you know, a week or so to come in.
ian crossland
The reason that came to mind is because, like, if Jon Stewart did learn Russian and went to Russia and started talking as, like, a diplomat, now we're talking international superstardom again, and he doesn't have to, like, hang on to Stephen Colbert's coattails to try and stay relevant and, like, say the new cool thing.
But it takes a lot of effort to learn new things.
will chamberlain
There's no reason that Jon Stewart couldn't actually be a very interesting figure if he just dispensed with the wokeness, because I don't think that's really him.
That wasn't him in the 2000s at all.
tim pool
He praised Project Veritas on more than one occasion.
luke rudkowski
And he criticized people, even Barack Obama and his drone strikes, which was rare, and he broke from the norm.
Whenever you see someone trying to be accepted and be liked, that's just a disgusting behavior that naturally human beings are like, okay, this is fake.
This is ingenuine.
I don't like any of this.
Get away from me.
But when someone's being themselves and willing to push, you know, the envelope and willing to be themselves and willing to actually speak truth to power, that's respectable.
That's something that People, you know, really love because it resonates with them and it's rare.
But it also helps progress society and make society better when you're willing to, of course, get out of the agenda, get out of the narrative, and be able to actually have a real honest conversation and stop bullshitting people about all this nonsense that, of course, is all a part of an agenda meant to enslave humanity.
So yeah, that's just my opinion at the last bit there.
My last bit there was just conjecture there for me, but you get the point.
tim pool
This story, I think, is a white pill moment.
It's optimism.
You know, so I mentioned this at the start of the show.
I did a segment on this earlier in the day, and I mentioned that we are going to have one of the towers on New Year's Eve.
So it's a substantial amount of advertisement.
There's, I think, 10 ads that rotate over 100 seconds.
We'll have one of those sets.
They're all synchronized.
It's going to be amazing.
And everybody who's watching the celebration is going to see that ad because they're playing the celebration all day.
So it's just all day, all over the world, everyone tuning into New York City.
We are taking that space over.
I don't see the Daily Show up there.
ian crossland
You got to do a thing where it's just a beanie and then you slowly materialize into it and then you're there.
tim pool
I mean, that'd be cool, but I don't know if it would like send an effective message.
ian crossland
Message to me, man.
That'd be awesome.
tim pool
I guess.
I was thinking like, you know, one marketing strategy would be to go weird by just doing like using every, every screen to show Roberto Jr.
Because then people are going to be like, what is this?
And then you want them to ask and remember.
will chamberlain
And then why is there a chicken up on?
tim pool
Yeah, but I was like, no, maybe we'll just do, you know, we had to figure it out, but we want the personalities, various personalities.
ian crossland
You gotta do a Super Bowl ad at some point.
piece of them and all the different screens but if you stand back far enough
tim pool
you can see the whole thing the whole the whole chicken yeah but I was like
no maybe we'll just do you know we had to figure it out but we want the
personalities various person you gotta do a Super Bowl Super Bowl out at some
unidentified
point that would be absolutely insane we yeah chickens playing football but I
think those are substantially more yeah as are insane yeah I could raise money
tim pool
for it so like we weren't able to get the actual package the
I'll just tell people like well maybe I shouldn't just yet because I don't know what the contract stuff is but let me just say like there's a premium New York package they have for specifically for New Years that includes like a national run and it just costs millions of dollars.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then when they called me and they were like this is what we want to do with with Timcast.
And then I was like, wow, how much is that?
And they were like X million.
And I started laughing.
And I was like, okay, dude, like maybe next year.
Yeah.
Maybe, maybe, maybe one day I was like, but Hey, thanks for having faith and thinking we're capable of doing those things.
What we got is expensive, but it's like, look, we're getting 10% of the boards, so it's not like it's anywhere near that expensive.
ian crossland
You mentioned earlier, but is it a 24-hour run on each board?
tim pool
Just looping?
ian crossland
It's two weeks.
All day, every day, for two weeks?
tim pool
For two weeks, all day, every day.
That's great.
ian crossland
So we can do a lot of different stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, so technically you give them your ad set and then they run it, but you can always send them updates.
ian crossland
How many in a day, different ones, can you run in one day?
tim pool
I mean, I'd imagine as many as you want.
You'd annoy the crap out of them by telling them to keep changing it.
They might be like, come on, dude, chill.
But we could do an update on Christmas, because it's going to be there through Christmas, and then on New Year's put something updated for New Year's.
So you can actually like what you're basically renting the space and they're digital so you can change them to whatever you want.
ian crossland
Do like some hyperbolic stuff like the world is changing call to action of some sort.
Like stuff where like you are in control.
This is your world call to action.
tim pool
I think you know we thought about doing some kind of message like you are not the elite anymore or something but I think the most effective thing is literally just a basic ad.
ian crossland
You are the elite now, talking to common man.
tim pool
The idea is that if we make it an activist statement, we set ourselves apart from the cultural establishment.
If we put ourselves there, the average person just sees us as part of it.
So we've invaded that space, we've taken their clout, and then we're gonna have Luke standing next to some of these people, and it's just gonna be hilarious.
I just think that's funny.
ian crossland
A broken clock is right twice a day, and then show a picture of me like...
Roll a 20.
Critical success.
tim pool
Similar to the ads we already have but we're gonna be at this party where they have like a special area there's a live performance VIP only indoors it's catered buffet and the people who are there are apparently like the New York royalty politicians real estate owners And then it's going to be us.
So I'm excited for that.
I think it's going to be utterly fantastic.
But we're going to go to Super Chats.
Let me pull up the Super Chats.
It takes just about one second.
Luke, say words while I do this.
luke rudkowski
Words.
Words, words, words, words, words.
unidentified
What's your favorite Cyrillic letter?
My favorite Cyrillic letter is J.
ian crossland
That's the last letter of the alphabet.
luke rudkowski
One more time, Ian.
From start to finish.
tim pool
A, B, C, D. Ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com, because what are we going to do with it?
We are going to like, I don't know, take over Times Square, or at least be as a part of it.
for big events and where our goal is just to keep pushing into the cultural spaces.
We are working on the next release of a song uh for our music projects and we've got uh some some big industry guys that are working with us so success is is happening now and you know look you plant the seeds with what the daily wire is doing the stuff we're doing and many others hopefully in 10 years we've completely won the culture war look Trevor Noah's out we're winning baby let's read some super chats smash that like button if you haven't already Harry To says, hello Luke, lately you are looking amazing.
luke rudkowski
Thank you, I appreciate that.
You know, I have a lot of people calling me very bold and very beautiful.
I appreciate it very much.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
Blueheart says, if Ian isn't transformed into She-Hulk this episode, then meditating didn't work like I thought.
ian crossland
Oh, the episode's not over yet.
tim pool
Nova says, if you put Alex Jones up in Times Square, I will up my sub to $25 tier until 2024.
Do it, it will drive them nuts.
ian crossland
We'll see.
tim pool
It's an issue of, um, we talked to Alex.
I'm sure Alex would say yes, but there are rules.
So they, they could say no, and then you can't really do anything.
You're renting someone's property.
Like you're, you're, it's a rental.
You know what I mean?
But, um, we did think about it.
Michael Malice, I thought was, um, the next best thing we could do because there's nothing they can really say about him, but he, he pokes the bear very well.
ian crossland
Like a funny picture of Alex with the tinfoil hat on or something.
That might be a good hat.
tim pool
But what's the message, right?
So it's a question of... Tim, follow, join us.
But he's not like a part of the show in any way.
He's just a goofball.
Michael is like, he's a recurring guest who's done pranks and gags that we've had on the show.
So I was like, it makes sense.
And he's very effective in his challenge to the establishment.
So we dig it.
Beavis McLean says, and now to our good friend, Beavis McLean.
Tim, I audibly cheered at your Times Square announcement today.
I startled the entire supermarket, but I regret nothing.
Love what you and the gang are doing.
I hope this helps fund more great jamming.
Yeah, man.
That was it.
I was just like, it's gonna be cool when these people look up on New Year's Eve.
Oh, I just gotta tell you, when we had the ads in Times Square, these lefties were tweeting, like, why is there a 40-foot-tall Tim Pool?
Like, what?
I'm barfing and I'm just laughing.
I'm like, because we're winning, dude.
And so for them to be sitting at home with their parents and like watching CNN, and then they just see it all big in the background behind Anderson Cooper, and they go, what?
Yeah, we're winning, dude.
It's all thanks to our faithful viewers and members.
Grofty says, Bocas for president.
Bocas took a piss on the wall today, and he stared directly into my eyes.
I look over and I see him squatting in this weird way, and then I start yelling, no, and he's just looking me dead in the eyes.
He just keeps doing it.
I had to run over and push him to make him stop, and then he runs off.
What a dick.
unidentified
Really.
Literally.
tim pool
Cats, man.
It's because we weren't letting him go outside because he had to go to the doctor.
We let him go outside, but then he's gone.
You can't find him to go to the doctor.
So the other day to go to the doctor, I had to go outside with a can of tuna and bang on it with a fork and then he comes running.
So we can't let him out, you know.
Apparently Bocas is constipated, so... Oh no!
unidentified
Not again!
tim pool
Yeah, we gotta figure it out.
Well, it's probably from all the squirrel he's been eating or something.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was digging into those bacons too, like, for a month.
I had to... Yeah.
tim pool
...replace... He jumped... We had to buy... ...put him in a drawer.
So one of the reasons we ran out of bacon is that Bocas jumped into the box.
ian crossland
Dude.
tim pool
I was just digging through.
ian crossland
I went into the box and there were like 40 opened half-eaten bacons with eaten plastic.
I was like, what?
She's eating plastic, really.
It's probably been as good for a month.
lydia smith
That's what cats do.
unidentified
They do.
tim pool
They chew on plastic.
lydia smith
Weird.
unidentified
I don't know what's wrong with them.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, I've learned as a leader from the core to my current position, folks want to, uh, folks want to know the truths and whys of what is you ask of them.
Leadership 101.
Yet politicians fail daily with this simple ask.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, that's a key leadership lesson, like you, you know, being willing, not just leading like an authoritarian, like you must do X, being like, willing to explain to your subordinates why you have asked them.
When it's appropriate, obviously, sometimes there's urgency, but as a general rule, it's good to have your subordinates understand what you're trying to accomplish.
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
And why.
tim pool
Earl Graham says, been watching for years now and love the show.
Today is my 33rd birthday and I wanted, and I wanted was to motorboat Luke's TIG old biddies, but sadly seems that he's been deflated.
How dare you detransition?
luke rudkowski
Well, just wait.
That's all I got to say.
And... Oh, no, no, no.
Just wait.
tim pool
All right, all right.
David Scott says, I've posted numerous times.
I have no issues with notifications.
That changed today.
I changed my news seeking process throughout the day and had to go to my sub list.
Get Tony Heller on the show.
Who's that?
lydia smith
Don't know.
tim pool
And orange sea lion says, if you only have 10%, it seems like the 10% of the time is up.
CNN, et cetera, will just use clever camera angles to keep you off the screen.
By all means, I'd love for them to try and do it.
We're still invited to the party.
So it is, but look, there's going to be all of the people there on the ground.
There's going to be all the photos taken.
And when we, we had, we've had, we had ads this summer.
There were videos on TikTok with millions of views of people dancing and our ads are in those videos.
So they can't do anything about it.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
That's actually very funny.
That's good.
We can only do that if it's not an advertisement.
I have the high ground.
unidentified
That's a good one.
ian crossland
That's actually very funny.
will chamberlain
That's good.
tim pool
We can only do that if it's not an advertisement.
You can, when it's, it's, it's, so if we don't include the website,
we can actually do that.
But I don't know if it's worth it.
You know, we want to get the advertising out of it, right?
It's because if you don't advertise, it's protected free speech.
If you are advertising, it's commercial, and now you could be infringing on someone's market.
ian crossland
Can you have like one image that's an advertisement, then it morphs into another one that says that that's not an ad?
Oh, so it's either they're all considered ads or none of them are?
tim pool
The video plays for 10 seconds.
Whatever is in it is a single ad.
Even if you flicker through different images.
So, when we were doing, we did the Taylor Lorenz thing.
When we said, she docs libs of TikTok.
And they said, if you include, you know, the website or a commercial product, it's advertising and you're using someone else's likeness.
They won't allow it.
So, because we didn't, and it just said, it was quoting me, it was allowed.
So, good fun stuff.
Smokey Joe says, not trying to be a jerk, but you are not good with predictions.
And you've been on every side of Civil War predictions.
World War III will happen when I happens.
Um, I don't know.
I've gotten some predictions, and I've gotten some, uh, poorly.
will chamberlain
Wait, you've gotten a prediction wrong?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
will chamberlain
What do you mean?
Once?
Oh, gosh.
tim pool
I get a bunch of things wrong.
will chamberlain
I thought, like, if you prognosticated, you should never, ever get a prediction wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
And it's just, like, you have to have 100% accurate record.
tim pool
Here's the thing.
That people, a lot of these people, these lefties aren't smart enough, or they probably get it, they're just lying.
If there's a video where I'm like, Trump might get a 49 state landslide, I think they're specifically referring to my Moody's Analytics review, where I was reading a news article that said there was a possibility of a Trump 49 state landslide.
Moody's was referring to, Moody's Analytics in 2019 said the economy was so strong that there was a chance that Trump could actually see like a record number of electoral votes.
And then I'm like, wow!
Like, they're actually suggesting this.
And then they act like I'm making some grand prediction because I read an economist's analysis of the, you know, of the country or something.
will chamberlain
I don't know.
I just see it as like everybody who, you know, makes predictions gets some right and gets some wrong.
Like, I'm a lawyer and I get some legal predictions right and some legal predictions wrong.
I'm not perfect.
tim pool
But also, I've gotten a ton right.
It is what it is.
will chamberlain
You should be 50-50.
I'm sticking with my Elon's-going-to-be-forced-to-buy-Twitter prediction.
That one I've been on for three months, so watch that.
ian crossland
Yeah, you're the first person to say that to me.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Groffney says, Roberto Jr.
needs a cameo at the ball drop.
Buck, buck, buck.
I have news.
We have secured a location for a brick-and-mortar shop.
Maybe I shouldn't say what the name of it's going to be.
Well, you know what?
We wanted to name it Roberto Jr.' 's, but maybe we can't actually do that.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
Do you want to talk about that on air?
tim pool
I think the idea for the Brick and Mortar Shop is that it needs to be a business in and unto itself.
In and of itself.
ian crossland
Oh, I see.
Unique brand.
tim pool
Yeah, so, you know, making it being a part of what we already do kind of defeats the purpose of creating something separate.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's smart.
tim pool
That's why I was like, we probably can't call it Roberto Jr.'s.
Oh, well.
But I gotta admit, like, it's not like Bobby J's.
It's only a matter of time before people find out like, oh, that shop that sells, you know, bacon is Tim's or something.
You know what I mean?
So we'll see what happens.
Paul Morris says, I'm convinced Trevor Noah quit because he couldn't compete with Luke's buxom display.
luke rudkowski
Thank you very much.
will chamberlain
Buxom.
You spelled that wrong.
It's B-U-X-O-M.
unidentified
Yes.
lydia smith
Great spelling.
Great word, though.
will chamberlain
It is a good word.
luke rudkowski
You knew what he was trying to say.
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
I had to think about it because it did.
lydia smith
It's phonetic.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
It checks out.
tim pool
Dana Virk says, everyone is too consumed with pointing fingers on who blew up the Nord Stream.
When?
What we should be focusing on is the consequences that are to come.
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Well, some of the consequences depend on who blew it up in the first place.
lydia smith
True.
will chamberlain
Like, if the Russians blew it up, I guess it doesn't mean they're gonna attack us because they blew it up.
You know, but if we did, we escalated.
So, I don't know.
It matters.
A lot.
tim pool
Jason Linholm says, Tim, I will bet money that military doctrine is, if nukes are used, then retaliation is with nukes.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, but the issue is, if Poznan, is that how you say it?
luke rudkowski
Poznan.
tim pool
Poznan gets nuked, would the U.S.
then nuke Moscow?
will chamberlain
Well, but you have to think about how the Russians would respond, right?
Like, if the Russians actually did nuke Poznan, would they be doing so betting that we wouldn't respond with nukes?
I don't think so, given that they're in NATO.
So I think that probably we have to go through the calculation of if they nuke Poznan, like a city, we're not talking about like a military tactical nuke, but we're talking about, like, if they nuke a NATO city, they have to assume that NATO's coming back at them, which means full-scale nuclear war.
tim pool
But then what do we nuke?
Do we say, okay, what's a comparable-sized city?
unidentified
St.
tim pool
Petersburg!
will chamberlain
No, we don't.
Once you, you know, you don't nuke piecemeal.
tim pool
You just say, okay, launch them all.
I think nukes are the wrong thing to look at, too.
You think that in 80 years we haven't come up with any other kinds of weapons?
will chamberlain
I honestly don't think anybody's going to break the seal, because the logic I'm describing is not novel.
I'm sure both Russians and us have doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons and essentially what it looks like in particular situations, which is why I don't think anybody's going to use them.
You think so?
Well, let's see who's right.
We're talking about predictions.
ian crossland
Oh man, I hope you are!
will chamberlain
I don't see a nuclear strike coming.
luke rudkowski
I think Russia's going to threaten to use nuclear weapons, but I think it's first going to declare a full all-out war, and I think it's really going to put the hammer down on Ukraine, on its infrastructure, and I think, hopefully, if we're lucky, it ends there.
tim pool
Why would Russia just be like, well, we're getting crushed on every front.
I surrender.
ian crossland
Because they already have the land they need.
They have the freeways to Crimea.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm saying if they lose that.
ian crossland
If they lose that, they'll try to take it back.
tim pool
Okay.
Ukraine's already pushed through in many of these territories.
They don't even control these four regions.
They've now made them part of Russia, in their eyes, so how could they not defend it?
If their ground troops are routed, and their machinery is routed, would Russia just be like, guess we lost!
That land that I claimed was ours, we won't defend!
Or is he gonna be like, tactical nukes, nuclear artillery?
ian crossland
Geez, I don't know if you need to go that far.
tim pool
He's already rained incendiary bombs down on some of these cities.
will chamberlain
I mean, one thing, though, is that Putin has been trying to do the Ukraine war on the cheap, right?
Just by the sheer number.
He hasn't used many troops.
That's one of the reasons that Ukraine was able to make that big advance in the Kharkov region is because it was just a very thin Russian line.
And it's also why he's done the partial mobilization now to bring in almost 1.5x the total military commitment in Ukraine.
Like, that's also another reason I don't think we're doing this.
I think we're a long way down the escalatory ladder from the use of nuclear weapons in terms of, I mean, Ukraine, you know, Russia's going to try and, you know, consolidate its victory, you know, consolidate its territorial gains with this new troop movement and maybe, I don't know, maybe try and move on Kiev.
tim pool
Jim Pop says you guys are missing the issue.
Biden announced the U.S.
will send divers to Nordstrom.
Really?
Are they going to be picking up books?
Well, where does Nordstrom sell clothes?
will chamberlain
Clothes, yeah.
tim pool
Russia owns the Nordstrom lines.
I don't think Russia owns Nordstrom.
I think it's an American company, isn't it?
No.
I know what you mean.
I'm just poking fun.
Jim Pop means the U.S.
is going to be sending divers to Nordstream.
Russia owns the Nordstream lines.
We are going to get into a shoving match if we touch that pipeline.
Possibly.
Russia might be like, back off.
Get your troops out of here.
This is our line.
That's interesting.
thing. Alexander Cross says the correct way to survive a nuclear attack is either A, find the
bomb site and sit on it, or B, get far enough outside the blast as you can. You get caught in
the blast, have a revolver handy in case. Well, that's if you're caught in the thermal burn radius.
So depending on where you are, if you see an ICBM coming down or warhead dropping,
if you're close to it, your best bet is to run towards it because then you
you vaporize instantly and you don't suffer.
But if you're in the thermal wave, you're gonna be like screaming in agony as your skin is melting and then you slowly die, so.
And then if, depending on the weapon they use, if it's got a radioactive radius or fallout, oh, man.
I wonder if, like, when- Truly horrifying things.
Sarin's worse.
Sarin gas is way worse.
ian crossland
If when a human dies, it's forced to watch the evolution of the species in fast forward after the moment they die.
And you, like, see all the things that you did in life, how it affected everything.
And because of you and your actions, whether for good or evil, you caused this to happen.
And here's how you caused it.
And you just get to see it all and be like, The regret, the amount of hell that you would burn in if you didn't do what you knew you could have done in life.
So take advantage of it while you're here.
tim pool
What happens is you wake up in like a carnival and there's a carnival barker and he's yelling and he shows you a chart that has all of the different probabilistic branches of your life and they're playing circus music and dancing as they do it.
And then you're just like, huh, so I would've been an astronaut if I went to school on that one day.
If I didn't call in sick, I would've been a race car driver?
Man.
Who would have thought that coming?
ian crossland
Contingencies.
tim pool
I mean, this is the crazy thing.
Like, if they really... I obviously don't think that really happens, but if that were possible, you could look at someone's life and be like, if when you were seven years old, you didn't pick up that quarter, you would not have been on Timcast IRL, you would have actually been in the Amazon building sustainable huts.
And it's like, wow, that one quarter was- I love- that's chaos theory.
ian crossland
I love that stuff.
tim pool
Well, it's because you picked the quarter up, which brought you to another point where it's like you could buy the bag of chips or not.
You bought the bag of chips, and then you gave it to someone.
That person became your friend.
They introduced you, and then it creates this huge pathway that just that quarter- It's amazing one conversation can change your entire life.
Yeah.
Tommy Groshong says, Ian is on fire tonight!
Well done, good sir.
And then he says a word I can't, uh, I can't read.
ian crossland
Cyrillic?
unidentified
Yes.
All right.
tim pool
There, right there.
Where is it?
It says, um, mono-au.
Mono-au.
ian crossland
Molo.
Ah, it's far away.
I'm not able to see it.
Molo.
unidentified
That's an L. That L is the curvy little N looking thing.
ian crossland
Molo de.
Molo de.
I can't read that last letter.
tim pool
Also nice to see Luke again.
Will too.
It's too bad.
It's an upside down U. No way.
It's a regular up.
It's a regular U, but it's got a thing hanging from it.
ian crossland
I don't know how you pronounce that.
tim pool
Maybe it's not an English word.
I think.
will chamberlain
Oh, interesting.
ian crossland
What was that?
How do you say that?
tim pool
Oh, the huntsman.net says, I wrote a song about the persecution of conservatives using themes from Solzhenitsyn.
The huntsman is free to listen on my site.
Cool.
That's cool.
Hunter says rods from God cost too much to use.
What does that mean, too much?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It's hard to get that much tungsten out of space?
ian crossland
I think that you're right about, it's called kinetic bombardment.
It doesn't have to be tungsten.
tim pool
Yeah.
Tinhead says we don't have rods from God because the tungsten rods are too heavy to send up.
That and the rockets would have to be so massive that they wouldn't get off the ground with our current technology.
Maybe we have better technology.
How do you know?
ian crossland
One rod at a time, you know.
tim pool
What if we have anti-grav and we just snap our fingers and then it floats right up?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Who knows?
tim pool
All right, where are we in the ol' zribagets?
Mexicali says, you're not my dad, Ian.
I won't get in the van.
ian crossland
You do what you think is right, but don't panic.
That's for sure.
tim pool
How did Ian avoid the van with candy when he was five?
Did his parents have to have him on a lead strap?
He does whatever he is told by anyone.
ian crossland
That's a funny assumption.
luke rudkowski
Were you on strings?
ian crossland
No, I'm actually very confrontational and don't like being told what to do.
luke rudkowski
Bobcat says, Elon Musk is going to win.
like unleashes sometimes. I see parents do that. I would have been punished completely.
ian crossland
My parents would have punished me like, God came down and smoked me with lightning if
tim pool
I had done something like that. Smoke. Bobcat says Elon Musk is going to win. Twitter is
in clear breach of contract and that's before you even get into Twitter's Epstein-ish content
unidentified
problem. Will?
will chamberlain
No.
That's wrong.
Twitter did not breach its contract.
tim pool
What are you, some kind of lawyer?
will chamberlain
Yeah, what am I, some kind of lawyer?
luke rudkowski
Smarty pants over here?
will chamberlain
You need to read the merger agreement, bro.
Like, it's not... There's a reason Elon talked about how seller-friendly the merger agreement was when he signed it to get Twitter to agree to sell him the company, right?
And all this stuff he wanted about the bots.
Like, here's the big winner, and this is to understand it.
In order to be able to terminate the deal, Elon cannot himself be in breach of the contract, right?
That was part of the deal.
And there's a clause that says Elon had to use his best efforts to consummate the merger.
That's how that works, right?
When you sign a merger agreement, basically what you're saying is, I will do everything I can to get this over the line, get the regulatory approvals.
etc. So they have text messages of Elon saying, hey, let's slow this down. Wouldn't be smart to
buy Twitter if we if World War Three is coming after the merger agreement is signed. That's
breach. He won't doesn't matter what Twitter said or what Twitter did. Elon can't terminate like
it's there's so many ways in which this is GG for you. You know, Twitter is going to win this lawsuit.
But I don't want Elon to win. I want you. I mean, yes, actually, no, you're right. Exactly. I don't
I want Elon to be forced to buy Twitter.
That would be much better for us than the current management.
tim pool
So it's like we should be rooting for Twitter right now to win so that Elon ends up taking it and fixing it.
will chamberlain
Exactly.
This isn't actually a close question.
There's a reason that the Twitter stock price has been jumping since Elon announced his quote-unquote termination.
It's because most analysts have realized that Elon's probably going to lose.
tim pool
Thor says, if World War 3 kicks off, are you worried about getting drafted, Tim?
No, I'm 36.
It's gonna be the 18-year-olds fighting this war, as per usual.
Yeah, I'm old.
luke rudkowski
Well, you know, a lot of the 18-year-olds don't have a lot of testosterone and don't have a lot of muscle mass.
And if you look at the conscripts in Russia, a lot of them are on the older side.
So, it depends on how desperate the situation is.
I do see the future wars being fought with robots, but with enlistment at an all-time low, I do see, yeah, 30, 30-year-olds, 40-year-olds possibly even being drafted if there's a potential crazy situation.
tim pool
Ashboro says power is out here in North Carolina generator is going and my awesome wife who I love dearly is half
asleep leaning against Me not a bad way to end the night man. That's crazy
hurricane Ian Crosses over Florida just wreaking havoc and then curves
and goes back into South Carolina That is brutal when I was meditating on it
ian crossland
I was like I'm gonna disperse this this thing and then so I tried to
visualize moving the wind in the opposite direction to make it push to a standstill and then
Vacuuming out that center. I are hitting it with lightning or something just charging it or deep discharging it and it
stopped I was watching the the radar and it's paused for a moment
But I wonder if I just pulled it back like a slingshot by doing that not committed
tim pool
You see what happened was it was crossing here's Florida and it's crossing over and then you were like go the other
way go the other It's brutal stuff, man.
ian crossland
back in its South Carolina. It was right before it made landfall in Florida. You can see for
a moment right before it hits it stops and starts to go west and you're like, whoa, did
we just avert catastrophe and then it goes in hard and then it comes back around like
tim pool
a boomerang. Wicked. It's brutal stuff, man. It is unfortunate. David Troutman says never
got a response from my emails about building the Tim Caster guitar.
Ready to buy these meteorite pieces and dragon scales.
Gotta replace the fender behind you.
Uh, yes!
Send an email to... I don't know.
I have an email on the website.
So go to the website and you can look up my email.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Easiest way to do it.
And then email me about it.
STL phone picture says your cat isn't drinking enough water.
That's his problem.
He's got more than enough water.
Not only do we have numerous little water things for him, we have two water fountains that filter the water, and then we even turn the sink on for him.
will chamberlain
Cats don't really like drinking water.
That's the thing about cats.
They don't actually need that much moisture, and they like to get it from their food.
tim pool
We give him all of the best possible food, and instead he just wants to eat squirrel.
will chamberlain
Right, because it's moist.
tim pool
No, we give him the moist crazy stuff.
will chamberlain
Oh, you give him the canned food?
tim pool
We have fancy canned shreds.
We have all the different food and we're like, which one do you want?
And then he looks at you and he goes, and then you're like, I don't know what that means!
And then he goes outside and he gets a squirrel!
It was funny because he was eating baby bunnies for a while, and we were making fun of him because we were like, it's so pathetic.
It's like, you're an adult cat.
lydia smith
He's working up to it, okay.
tim pool
Well, he still can't catch an adult bunny, but he got squirrels, so.
But you're not, like, nothing we can do about it, he's not supposed to, but that's who he is.
He's a little predator, he just wants to kill, you know?
It's in him.
will chamberlain
Oh, cats are predators, hardcore.
tim pool
We didn't let him outside for a while and the vet was like, don't, tics, all that other stuff.
And he was obviously depressed.
He would just lay and sleep all day.
He was getting fat and he was just groaning.
And then we were like, this is no way to live.
You know, it's like, maybe his life will be more dangerous, but that's life.
So now we let him go outside and now he's a happy little, little jag off.
lydia smith
Monster.
tim pool
When we don't let him outside, he pisses on the floor.
So he's, he's figured it out.
luke rudkowski
Those damn taxoplasmy spreaders.
tim pool
Taxoplasmosis.
What do we got?
Tim McDonough says, just finished watching Hocus Pocus 2.
Here's the breakdown.
One trans adult, one trans kid, five drag queens, one gay interracial couple, one patriarchy reference.
ian crossland
I still don't know what the movie's about.
tim pool
Hocus Pocus?
ian crossland
Well, yeah.
tim pool
You've never seen the first one?
ian crossland
No, that Bette Midler movie?
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, God.
No.
lydia smith
I'm good.
ian crossland
No, is it good?
tim pool
No, but millennials are nostalgic, so they pretend like it is.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And Bette's all right.
She's a good actor.
tim pool
It's like the witches want to live forever, so they have to eat a kid, I think.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Is that what it is?
They eat the kid?
unidentified
I have no idea.
ian crossland
But it was campy?
Was it like a, like a Disney movie?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
So they didn't want to really eat the kid?
tim pool
Like, he wasn't like, aah!
ian crossland
Ripping him open or anything like that?
tim pool
They turn the kid's brother into a cat, but the cat's immortal.
So like, whenever the cat gets run over, it just, it reinflates or something.
unidentified
Oh.
ian crossland
Brutal.
tim pool
Yeah.
And it can speak English for some reason.
Like the witches turns a cat, a person to a cat, but like lets them still speak English for whatever reason.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
I don't know.
I guess people like it, whatever.
I don't think I'm going to watch the, uh, I don't think I'm going to watch that movie.
Jeff, the handyman says gas is back up to $5.25 in Washington.
Well, congratulations, Washington.
ian crossland
You already put yourself $8.60, $8.80 or something in California.
You guys see that picture?
unidentified
Is that real?
tim pool
That's right.
What do we got?
I mean, some of those things we just don't know for sure, right?
So, figure it out, I guess.
going on since 2019.
Hack of solar wind under Trump administration, China 2020 release of COVID, funding BLM rights,
fentanyl, illegal immigrants, buying and sitting in farmland.
I mean, some of those things we just don't know for sure.
Right?
So, figure it out, I guess.
I don't think, yeah, the China COVID stuff, I don't think was an intentional release.
Lab leak makes sense, because I don't think you'd have seen U.S.
interests and China working together if they were at war with each other.
will chamberlain
No, lab leak makes sense.
It's also why our, you know, why did we poo-poo lab leak so much?
Because our government was implicated in that too.
luke rudkowski
I don't believe in accidents and incompetencies when there's so much criminality out there.
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's like a fundamental difference between you and I. Yes.
You believe in, you attribute to malice what I attribute to stupidity.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And we both could be right.
tim pool
You're not too old to be drafted.
I am, unless they increase the drafting age like they did in Russia, so that's a possibility, but I'm still not worried about it.
I just, I just, I'm not worried about it.
I think if it came to the point, that point, it would just be absolute breakdown and chaos in the United States.
The political system in this country is so broken as it is, I just don't see that happening.
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Will, do you want to shout anything out?
will chamberlain
Just the Internet Accountability Project and the Article 3 Project.
Check especially IAP, VIP.org and V underscore IAP on Twitter.
There was a big, I mean we didn't really talk about it because I didn't mention it and or bring it up before the show, but you know there's a big antitrust bill yesterday that passed and should have gotten a lot more Republican votes.
You only got like 39, but IAP's been pushing for it.
Heritage has been pushing for it, so lots of good stuff for Big Tech on the, or bad stuff for Big Tech, good stuff for us on the horizon.
luke rudkowski
You're amazing in those cartoons.
An honor.
Thank you for having me here.
LukeUncensored.com is my website.
I did a very interesting video on the larger agenda yesterday.
It's in the members area.
I will be doing another AMA on that platform soon.
You can be a part of it on LukeUncensored.com.
And thank you so much for everyone in the chat room calling for the Luke Lelier milkers.
I appreciate it very much.
ian crossland
If you guys want to get involved with taking control of your life and reality, learn Russian as well.
You can go to where I went last night, which is RussianForFree.com and start there.
It's actually very interesting when you start to learn something that a lot of people on Earth already know.
It feels like you're coming home.
There's a sense of like you're supposed to know it.
It makes a lot of sense.
You understand why people think the way they think all of a sudden.
And it's a very awesome feeling.
I hope that you get a chance to do that and take care of yourself this weekend.
lydia smith
For sure.
Well, thanks everybody for joining us this evening with Will, our grid friend.
You guys can follow me on twitterminds.com at sarahpatchelitz, as well as sarahpatchelitz.me.
tim pool
All right, man.
It's been a great week.
We've got some fun weekend plans, so thanks everybody.
luke rudkowski
Wait, Tim, Tim.
Before we end it here, I said I was done.
I'm not really done.
Wait, I've got to show you guys this.
ian crossland
What's he doing?
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