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Sept. 9, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - FBI RAIDS 35 Trump Allies, Bannon Reveals, Lawyer Confirms w/Maj Toure & Dave Smith
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tim pool
Steve Bannon was talking to Charlie Kirk and he said 35 Trump allies had been raided by the FBI
And that's a shocking claim!
And then Harmeet Dhillon, a lawyer, well-respected, you know, came out and said, can confirm it happened to people I know as well, and so it seems very much confirmed.
I mean, I'll tell you this.
Steve Bannon was perp-walked after he turned himself into custody.
We didn't see that for the BLM leaders who are effectively accused of the exact same, you know, potential crimes.
But they're putting on a show for everybody.
And hearing that 35 Trump allies have been raided is, you know, it's getting pretty crazy out there.
And we got a bunch of stories, man.
Crime is playing a big role in the upcoming election.
Democrats in vulnerable districts are starting to realize this.
And we got a story out of California I want to talk to because I want to talk about crime.
A woman was beheaded in the street.
In front of a bunch of people.
And I don't want to just play into, like, anecdotes, because I know sometimes crime happens, but this is part of a larger trend of a massive uptick in crime that we need to talk about, especially when it comes to policing policies and how that stuff plays out, self-defense, and how there's this move by these woke politicians to decriminalize and allow violent offenders out while basically arresting small business owners.
So we'll talk about all that stuff, plus a AOC.
She's getting criticized because she said she didn't know if interracial marriage was right for her.
It's very interesting to hear a progressive person, because the progressives are the ones who are saying that if you had a racial dating preference, you were racist.
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And I'm gonna give a shout out right now to Tom McDonald.
Tom McDonald's got a new song out and I'm gonna be promoting this all next week because I genuinely mean it when we gotta push back in the culture war and we've gotta win in terms of producing culture.
Tom's got a new song out today called Riot.
This is when Billboard reporting starts.
It ends next Thursday.
Everybody needs to check out the song.
We put the link in the description below.
You can buy it.
We put the Amazon link.
It's easier.
But if you go to his song, he's number four on trending.
It's not an overtly political song.
It's just good stuff by somebody who's got a good message behind the work that he does.
I'm a big fan of Tom.
I want to see him hit Billboard number one on the Hot 100.
Maybe we can't pull it off, but we need to organize.
And so what I'm saying is when you have somebody like Tom who's successful, got a big following, and is getting Basically blocked whenever he has a successful song from charts and from the media.
If we organize, we can make it undeniable.
So everybody, buy his song.
Let's get him a number one on iTunes.
Let's get him a number one on Billboard.
I'll tell you this right now.
I am so, I am gonna, if Tom McDonald hits number one, which of the stakes be?
ian crossland
You'll yank the beanie off, man.
tim pool
Number one on Billboard?
Number one on Billboard, I'll wear a suit.
Somebody chatted that.
ian crossland
You're gonna look good.
tim pool
They said, so if Tom McDonald hits number one on Billboard Hot 100, number one is really tough to get.
So I'm kind of like, you know, I'm kind of... A suit and a tie?
A suit and a tie.
All right.
So if everybody who listens to the show buys Tom McDonald's Riot either on iTunes or Amazon, I think you would need like a hundred K sales.
Not only does that give Tom more money to do his work, but it would force the media to acknowledge counterculture and anti-establishment.
And then I'll put a suit on.
dave smith
That would be a huge win.
I feel like you got to up the stakes.
A suit, a dress.
Tim will wear a dress.
If you make this number one, come on, let's get these people working.
A scantily clad dress.
tim pool
We all wear suits.
ian crossland
I don't have a suit, but I will get you one.
I'll definitely wear one.
tim pool
So what about you, Lydia?
And we'll get Luke a suit, too.
dave smith
You gotta send, like, a camera crew to the fitting.
I wanna see Ian getting fitted for a suit.
Yeah, I wanna see the whole thing.
tim pool
We'll all wear suits.
And we'll get really nice tailored suits.
dave smith
That'd be a cool, like, social psychology experiment to see how much it changes the show.
Like, if you guys are just more, like, formal.
tim pool
We're just angrier.
ian crossland
Gets you into character, for sure, being in a costume.
tim pool
So anyway, look, I've been talking about, we released a song, the media told us to F off, said they wouldn't cover the fact that we hit number two on digital sales because they don't like me.
And so my whole thing is, let's force them to acknowledge the counterculture.
Give them no opportunity.
It's 99 cents.
It supports Tom.
We don't get any of that money.
It goes to him so he can keep doing the work he does.
I'm a big fan of his.
Seeing him hit the top of the charts And then forcing the media to write about a guy who wrote a song called Fake Woke and the system and rags on the cult.
I would just, oh man, it would be schadenfreude.
Knowing they would just be so angry and having a rant like, Tom McDonald's number one.
I'd love to see it!
And I'll wear a suit.
Well, I will.
So, shout out Tom right now.
He's currently number three on iTunes.
So I'm really excited for this.
And I'm also pointing this out, too, because his latest song isn't overtly political.
He does rag on mainstream music and the machine, but it's not overtly political, and that's the point.
We need to produce culture that inspires young people and invades these spaces and forces them to acknowledge it.
Check out his song, buy it, make it happen, get number one, we put suits on.
Also don't forget you can become a member at TimCast.com, support our work directly if you'd like to.
Check out the Cast Castle vlog, the latest episode with Ian as the main star running for union president.
And then at this point now, spoilers I think are okay, let's just say Ian's running for union president and when they're counting the votes to see who won, the early ballots came in at 3 a.m.
and you know how it goes, so you guys definitely want to check that one out.
Joining us, because you've already heard them speak already, we've got some awesome guests.
We've got Maj Ture.
maj toure
Sup?
tim pool
Who are you, dude?
maj toure
Just a regular dude, man.
North Philadelphian.
You know what I'm saying?
Philadelphian.
Founder of Black Guns Matter, founder of the Solutionary Lifestyle.
You know, reformed scumbag.
unidentified
Right on.
Right on.
maj toure
You know what I'm saying?
tim pool
Alright, we've got Dave Smith.
dave smith
What's going on?
Very good to be back.
It's been a little while, and it's great to see all of you guys again.
And you guys know me.
Comedian, podcaster, takeover-er of libertarian parties.
tim pool
And it's just, you know, just a coincidence that you're both here at the same time.
Just happened to be in the area, you know, we had you both on at the same time for no reason.
ian crossland
Coincidentally.
maj toure
Randomly.
ian crossland
Before the show we talked about what everybody ate for breakfast, but we also talked about universal healthcare, colonialism, did we talk about colonialism?
Generational wealth, the Queen, World Economic Forum.
maj toure
This is before 9-11.
Before the mics even went out.
ian crossland
Tim was like, well, hold on, how many eggs did you eat first?
Because he wants to save it for the show, so let's get hot and heavy.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was great.
Before the show, we kept trying to talk about what we had for breakfast, so we kept going back to, like, Monsanto and stuff.
It was not working very well.
maj toure
It's the system.
We ate the system for breakfast.
unidentified
Exactly.
dave smith
It's hard to turn it off.
tim pool
Yeah, it is.
It's like we're getting ready with the cameras, and then, you know, Dave would be saying something, I'd say, what'd you have for breakfast?
And then within like five minutes, Maja's like, Monsanto, man, you know, with these cookies.
Like, here we go.
maj toure
Eggs, you thought you were eating eggs, bro.
That's right.
tim pool
Alright, well let's jump into this first story.
Let's talk about some authoritarianism.
From TimCastBreaking, Steve Bannon says at least 35 Trump allies had their homes raided by the FBI on Thursday.
He was speaking with Charlie Kirk.
Harmeet Dhillon came out and said, can confirm this happened to many Trump allies I know as well.
So I'm wondering if it's actually more than 35.
The quote here is, there were 35 raids last night, Bannon said, and there's another grand jury coming together on January 6.
The Washington Post reported that 35 senior members of MAGA, Republicans, supporters of Donald Trump, that the FBI rolled in on.
So I'm wondering, you know, Biden comes out and he says MAGA Republicans are an extreme threat.
A lot of us were like, oh, that's their campaign strategy, right?
I'm wondering if it's more than that.
That they want to prime the American people, say it enough, get enough of their bots and garbage corporate press to agree.
That way, when they start arresting people, they'll say, oh, but you guys know how bad it is, right?
dave smith
Well, it's hard to say for sure, right, exactly what that was.
And it certainly, you know, could be, okay, this is a campaign video and this is the play, right?
The play for the midterm elections, well he can't claim to be a unifier or any of this stuff anymore, he can't really run on any of his policies, so basically what's his only play left is to gin up his own base by saying, hey, the other side is so evil to get out the votes for Democrats.
Kind of a desperate attempt.
But I gotta say, and this is what I was talking about the other day when that speech was given on my podcast, Part of the Problem, that I was saying, look, this really reminded me of like a George W. Bush 2002 speech.
It had everything from like, I mean, the creepy red backdrop, the military members like right behind him.
This was like, it seemed like a war drum speech.
Like if you remember, you know, 9-11 happened in September 2001, we invade Iraq in 2003,
but the whole year of 2002 was this slow, you know, beating the war drums,
pushing the war propaganda about what Saddam Hussein is doing.
And it did have that feel to it.
I think that, look, let's just call it what it is.
Donald Trump, for four years, was framed for treason by his own deep state, by his own intelligence apparatus.
Now, that is kind of a real thing.
That's something pretty interesting, that you have the CIA and the FBI and the NSA working to oust a democratically elected president.
tim pool
With help from the corporate press.
dave smith
Oh yes, with help from the corporate press, from social media, from big tech, from both parties as well.
So now what you're really seeing is that it has definitely been deemed unacceptable to the establishment for Donald Trump to be re-elected.
I mean, not re-elected, elected again, whatever you want to call it.
Think about that, what a devastating blow that would be for their narrative.
And I think that after the FBI raid in Mar-a-Lago, They went big.
There's no, I don't think they can do that and not follow this up with something big.
They can't just raid a former president's house and then say, all right, we didn't find anything.
It's nothing.
They got to go for it now.
So this is, you know, again, if Bannon is telling the truth and this is what happened, this is another major escalation in that step.
tim pool
Bannon's not the kind of guy to hoax like this.
maj toure
Nah.
tim pool
And Harmeet Dhillon's a lawyer.
She's not this hyper-partisan.
I mean, she's obviously, you know, partisan in a certain sense, but if she's a lawyer coming out saying can confirm this happened, I take it seriously.
maj toure
The thing I think that the general public should actually look when they see this.
unidentified
Okay, cool.
maj toure
You don't like Trump.
You love Trump.
Whatever thing you fall in that space.
I think the thing that the general public should really be thinking about is these are a weaponization of entire intelligence communities to go after presidents and to slow somebody up for their, okay, I'm going to go in again in 04.
Right?
So if they're doing that to someone and that's their political opposition that has resources, that has access, that has all of these other different things, the general public should be thinking more so about, do you want to vote for a guy come in a few years?
Do you want to vote for a party?
Do you want to vote for a system or group that has consistently shown you?
Because it's not just on the left.
They're just the guys in charge, the Democrats now.
And they're unhinged with it.
Like, that whole Mar-a-Lago thing, Adrian Norman really, he posted on his Twitter page, it's like, here, right here, it's saying, this was sent by Biden.
tim pool
Just to clarify, this one's interesting.
Biden and May requested what the documents they thought Trump had were.
Then they go and raid Trump's Mar-a-Lago with the feds a few months later.
And so it's, did Biden literally say, I want you to raid his house?
Or did he go, oh, won't someone please get me these documents?
And then wink, wink, nudge, nudge, the feds went and did it.
maj toure
I think it's, again, like we were saying before camera, I'm past the point of believing that this is incompetence.
Agreed.
It's too strategic.
You know, the sun rises, and depending on your location, the sun's right there.
At this time, the sun's going to be here.
That is an organized phenomenon.
It's too many oopses, and because we're looking at Biden as this You know, the old dude that's struggling with dementia.
And we kind of like that might be the drunken monkey.
Like I'm not above this is a very intricate movie.
tim pool
We made this joke before that Biden bumbles and fumbles off stage.
And then as soon as he's behind the curtain, he stands up the evil and he goes, all right, did they buy it?
Now let's go blow up some kids.
kids in the Middle East.
dave smith
Right.
But I also think like whether it, how much of it went up to Joe Biden and how aware he
was it's almost irrelevant at a certain point.
I mean we know it went to Merrick Garland, right?
So it's, he already said in his own press conference that this was his decision.
So it went to very high places.
I don't know if that's, at that point who really cares whether it was the president
or just his attorney general, you know?
maj toure
His teammate.
dave smith
I think what's important, too, to recognize with this is that it's not even, like, really a left-versus-right thing.
This is a power-versus-non-power thing.
This is an establishment-anti-establishment thing.
I mean, think about the way the—someone I disagree with on a ton of things—but think about the way the establishment turned against Bernie Sanders, you know, in 2016.
But hold on.
rigging the entire election against him in the Democratic primary.
Think about the way in 2020 when he was looking very good against Joe Biden, they were on
MSNBC and CNN calling his supporters brownshirts and Nazis.
What do you think the system would do if Bernie Sanders had been elected president?
So to people...
tim pool
But I want to clarify that.
They mounted a procedural effort against Bernie Sanders.
Like, questions were being given to Hillary Clinton in advance by CNN.
In 2020, they had the three moderates drop out and all endorse Joe Biden at the same time.
dave smith
And Elizabeth Warren stay in.
They had her stay in, so the one who was splitting votes from him stays in.
All the ones who were splitting votes from Joe Biden get out and endorse Biden.
tim pool
So it's this, like, They flex and bend the system so everything always skews in their favor in those ways.
dave smith
And what happened, and they did that with Trump too, but it didn't work.
For once it didn't work and that guy got in.
And so it's just the thing that should be eye-opening to regular people is that you go, look, If ever you supported a candidate from the left-wing perspective who deviated from the establishment too much, they would crack down on him in the same way.
And the thing that the Trump supporters should be questioning about how much loyalty you have to Donald Trump going forward is just like, Donald Trump appointed Ray to the head of the FBI.
He is the guy, you know, his mission, his stated mission was to drain the swamp.
Well, man, he got drained by that swamp.
tim pool
He hired Bolton, right?
Like everybody went.
dave smith
Dude, Bolton, Pompeo, Barr, you know, Wray, all of these guys, his entire team.
He had no clue who to trust and who not to trust and he got rolled by all of them.
Fauci!
He kept Fauci on the job through all of 2020.
maj toure
Is that... I cannot believe that that's incompetence.
I do not believe that that's incompetence.
And again, my job is to look at the general public and saying, hey, This looks fishy, and if you see it from the left or the right or whatever, if this looks fishy, is this where you want to put your energy locally, state, or federally?
Do you want to get behind those types of things again?
Because it's walking like a duck, bro.
It's been walking like a duck, looking like a duck for however long.
tim pool
But this is what we're seeing right now.
35 raids on Trump allies.
We're watching a revolution happen.
We are watching a political faction with control of law enforcement using it to crush political opposition.
Historically, when you see things like this happen, it's typically how you end up with a uniparty system.
Now, I think for the most part, there are Democrats and Republicans for a long time have been the uniparty as it was with this fake, you know, this false adversary.
Right, right, right.
But Donald Trump storms the gates.
Trump supporters, Bernie Sanders supporters tried storming the gates too.
Bernie was too nice of a guy, I guess.
He was too weak.
He couldn't get in that ivory tower.
Bernie Sanders walks up to the ivory tower with a bunch of these lefties, shake their fist.
They say, let us in, let us in.
And they spit on him.
And then he apologizes.
Donald Trump, they came with a battering ram.
Then they bring in the big orange bull who just rampages about.
They want to regain control of the establishment.
This is how they're trying to do it, by purging and arresting all of their opposition.
Let me tell you real quick just how scary it gets.
They're going after Trump supporters.
They're going after Trump people.
They're not going after Republicans, because the Republicans are going to be the establishment.
But I'll tell you what happened when I was in Egypt, when they had the second revolution.
They realized that the political split between the more secular type Egyptians and the Muslim Brotherhood was too great, and there was only one solution.
And you know what they did?
Do you know what the military decided to do to stop the constant revolutions?
They had a revolution, they had a revolution again.
They just went and started killing the Muslim Brotherhood.
They just went out, started arresting, started firing guns at and just attacking their protests.
Now, it's not that bad.
They're not going out and just killing Trump supporters, but it's because we're in a different degree of warfare.
That's third generational.
Now we're in fifth.
They're using the power of law enforcement to make sure Trump's people can't assist him and that his ideas and his leadership are gone.
dave smith
Yeah, well, it's interesting when you say we're in a revolution, and you could really think about in the history of the United States of America, like, we have kind of this idea that we've had one regime since 1776, but really there's been many revolutions along the way.
I mean, we had a revolution where we overthrew the Articles of Confederation and installed the Constitution.
We certainly had a revolution with Abraham Lincoln where we fought a civil war.
I think you could argue that FDR kind of was a revolution.
My point would be here, the revolution was 2020.
The revolution isn't 2022.
The revolution was having the lockdown regime, having what bordered on a color-coded revolution with these kind of like very, let's say, sponsored mass rioting and protesting in the streets.
I mean, this is right out of the playbook of what we do in other countries.
And so this is the follow-up to that.
tim pool
The 529 insurrection.
When they went to the White House, ripped down the barricades, injured dozens of federal agents, set fire to a guard post, set fire to a church, and forced the president into a bunker.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave smith
And no one talks about that.
maj toure
Right.
dave smith
It's very interesting.
But this is the follow up to that.
Like, if this big push was made, you can look at that Time magazine piece about how they stole the election from Donald Trump.
If this big push was made to get Trump out and put Joe Biden in, well, this is now the follow up to that.
Now, how do you this is usually after a revolution.
You have this period where then you have to crack down on the dissidents to make sure that the power that you took is now.
tim pool
It's all part of the revolutionary process.
You mentioned the Civil War.
A civil war happens when factions fight each other and neither side can just take it.
What we're watching now is, I don't know, I don't care if it's Democrats, it is the elite, and they're using, and it mostly is Democrats, and there are some, you know, former Republican neocon types, but they, what we're seeing is still the revolutionary period.
So if in November Republicans win, then the revolution is not complete.
If in 2024 Trump wins, then the revolution- Then the revolution failed.
Right.
dave smith
To some degree.
tim pool
But sitting here watching, I can't believe that we have a story that 35 Trump, senior Trump people were raided by Feds.
Like that is such a dramatic escalation.
maj toure
I think they're doing, what's going to come out of this is, this is the Streisand effect.
They're doing something, they're thinking about, we got to keep Trump out.
They're not thinking about the general public watching going, you guys are shitty.
They're doing a lot of the heavy lifting for us.
And I don't mean that in a good way, like, oh, great, yeah, raid more, you know, MAGA extremists, so-called, and then the people will wake up.
But that's kind of like, in a weird way, what's happening.
The general public, how many times are y'all hearing, guys, that may have voted for Biden?
And they've fought you tooth and nail in 20 whatever, right?
unidentified
19.
maj toure
Yeah, this is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Now after a year and a half, two years, they're like, bro, I don't know.
They may not be willing to say, yeah, I'm going this way completely, but they're also going like, nah, something's wrong here.
I don't even like how this feels.
Economically, they're doing something, this massive overcorrection that the general public is, I think for me, I don't think that anybody's just going, yeah, we're going Biden.
And I don't think that they're going, we're raiding these people and people aren't seeing.
I think it would work if it was more clandestine.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story here.
And it's brutal.
Man arrested after beheading young mother in the middle of San Carlos Street, law enforcement sources.
Now, they may have had a domestic issue.
The guy attacks her and then uses a sword to remove her head in view of the public.
And there's two things I noticed from this.
You know, there was a story, uh, I think it was a few months ago, maybe a year ago, about a woman who was on a subway train when a man raped her.
maj toure
That was in Philly.
tim pool
And everybody watched.
And they filmed it and just let it happen.
And I thought to myself, like, how does that happen?
That people just stand there and watch that?
Like, watch someone do that.
Same thing here.
Now, I get it with this story.
Dude has a sword, right?
Okay, guy's got a sword.
What can you really do?
maj toure
Shoot him.
tim pool
But, yes, of course.
No, no, I agree.
dave smith
That was the correct answer, Maj.
tim pool
Not in California.
Not in California, where they criminalize self-defense.
ian crossland
Is that where that happened?
It was in Cali?
tim pool
Yeah, so here's my point, right?
We're segwaying off of this, you know, what's happening with this revolution.
And you made a really good point before the show, Dave.
You said that they're decriminalizing, like they're letting people go with all this violent crime, and then they're criminalizing self-defense.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That is an untenable situation for any civilization, and the only result can be collapse.
dave smith
Well, you know, something really interesting about, like, the kind of rise of the progressive prosecutors who, you know, from my perspective, a lot of times as they were running in some places where they need to get elected or as they were, like, campaigning for the job, they made points that I thought were somewhat reasonable.
When they were talking about, you know, things like bail reform, where, look, you certainly can make the argument that it's a pretty messed up system.
That if you have money, you get out of jail.
And if you don't have the money, you have to stay in jail until trial.
There's a really reasonable argument to have there.
There's certainly a reasonable argument that over the last 40 years in America, we have been way too harsh on crimes like drug possession, even drug distribution, on crimes like gun possession.
It's outrageous the amount of people's lives who we've ruined for these non-violent victimless crimes.
So the progressive prosecutors kind of use that popular energy to rise up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave smith
And then they went, OK, but not only are we going to do that, we're also going to go really
easy on violent criminals.
We're also going to decriminalize not just shoplifting, but strong armed robbery, carjacking
and all of this, because we don't want to throw throw away the book for anyone, except
when someone's exercising self-defense.
Then they become Reaganite drug warrior prosecutors who want to throw the book at you, who want
to like throw it you know 30 years in jail for so it creates a demolition
Yes, it creates this thing that is obviously just going to destroy civilization.
You can't have a society where you legalize property crimes and violent crimes, de facto legalize them, and then punish people for defending themselves.
tim pool
They are punishing the good, the let me live my life happily and leave me alone, and exonerating, allowing, commuting, protecting the bad.
dave smith
Quite literally, it's like letting the demons loose, and it's an inversion of what the And my only point there is that basically that like the conservative prosecutors gave them this lane from 40 years of insane aggressive prosecutions of people for like drug possession charges so then they could run against that and then be like isn't that so horrible and then they give us this insanity.
What we need is libertarian prosecutors basically.
Is that yes, let's not throw people in jail for drug possession or gun possession, but also if you defend your life or your property, then we should always come down on the side of that person and against the criminal.
tim pool
It should be like this.
I'm imagining there's like a DA and there's like a courtroom and some guy mugged some other guy.
And so here they both are.
One dude's on trial for the crime.
One dude's, you know, the victim.
And then the judge is just like, Okay, so, you know, we've heard all the evidence.
It really does sound like you mugged this guy.
Then he looks over at the victim and says, do you have a gun?
And he goes, uh, no, I don't.
He goes, okay, so restitution will be, we're going to give you a gun.
It's cheaper to give you a gun than put this guy in jail.
We're going to tell this guy, don't commit crimes because the next time dude's going to be armed and so will everyone else.
I'm kidding by the way, but the idea is like, if people were armed, Good law-abiding citizens who are armed out in West Virginia, I've never had a problem with them.
I saw a guy walking down the street with a crossbow once, and I'm like, how's it going?
ian crossland
Do you support prosecuting violent crime?
dave smith
Oh yeah, of course.
ian crossland
What about people that command people to do violence?
dave smith
So I'm sorry, so someone who gives the orders?
ian crossland
Will someone reward this priest?
Things like that, and then someone goes and does it.
tim pool
No, that one's a different question.
dave smith
Yeah, this is why people who command other people to do violence ought to be prosecuted too.
That's why George W. Bush and Barack Obama should all be in a cell somewhere for the wars that they wage.
Hey, did you guys know that Obama murdered- And Trump too, and Biden too.
unidentified
Obama literally murdered a kid.
ian crossland
Because it's like, I want to pardon all- It's like- What you mean?
tim pool
We put these people- Obama murdered a kid.
dave smith
Oh yeah, several.
tim pool
Yeah, several.
But no, I mean like an American citizen.
dave smith
Anwar al-Awlaki's son.
Abdurahman.
tim pool
Right, right.
But we don't even need to say that.
We can just say, did you know that Barack Obama murdered a kid?
dave smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Like murdered an American kid.
People are going to be like, what?
An American kid?
ian crossland
It wasn't murder because it was legal.
tim pool
No, it wasn't.
It literally was not legal.
ian crossland
The Patriot Act lets him bomb anybody he wants, man.
tim pool
No, not even that.
It was a civilian restaurant in a country we weren't at war with.
He blew up civilians, an American citizen, and we weren't at war with Yemen.
It was the definition of like, it wasn't even a war crime because we're not at war.
It was just literally Obama murdering somebody.
dave smith
Yeah, but and by the way, that's when Obama was drone bombing Yemen up to 2009-2010 when we were on the side, we were drone bombing to supposedly kill Al Qaeda.
But then he switched and okay, we continued the bombing campaign to this day.
on the side of Al Qaeda, because now we're against the Houthis, because we had to kind
of win over favor with the Saudis again.
So we kept that war going this entire time and switched sides.
And we are still to this day currently fighting on the side of Al Qaeda.
So mix war crimes with treason with genocide.
And that's what you've got in Yemen right now.
tim pool
Donald Trump was like, why do we have troops over there?
And Donald Trump was trying to get our troops out.
Donald Trump was lied to by... I can't remember who lied to him about Syria.
dave smith
They bragged about it.
tim pool
They bragged about how they forced to keep our troops in.
We had the Abraham Accords.
We had Trump negotiating with North Korea.
We had Trump basically being like, I don't know why we're involved in any of this stuff.
maj toure
This is costing us money for no reason.
dave smith
But no excuses for him, man.
No, I get it.
No, I get it.
He, first of all, he rode up like the, first off, he got tricked into surging in Afghanistan
before he finally agreed to end it.
And then he agrees to end it on a timeline that will be on the next guy's administration.
I guess he assumed he was getting reelected, but he took that risk.
Oh, hold on.
By the way, he had Colonel Douglas MacGregor come in to the Defense Department in the lame
duck session after he lost the election, but before he was out.
And he, he rode up the order to remove all troops from Syria and Afghanistan and Trump
signed it.
And then the next day Trump took it back.
Because someone got in the room with him and convinced him not to do it, and he did this over and over and over again.
So fine, it is true that they all misled him and lied to him, but like, no excuses for the Commander-in-Chief and President.
He had four years in there of being the Commander-in-Chief.
The genocide in Yemen continued every single day of his administration.
By the way, 1833stopwar.com.
Go there.
There's a War Powers Resolution coming up.
This is the big project of the Libertarian Party right now to try to get you to go call your congressman.
There's a bill in the Congress, in the House and the Senate to try to bring an end to this genocide.
tim pool
I gotta push back a little bit just because I think in terms of war, Trump was the best president of my lifetime.
maj toure
Why?
tim pool
Because he was getting our troops out.
He didn't start any new ones.
dave smith
Okay, he didn't start any new ones.
He definitely...
He gave it his best try when he murdered Soleimani and could have gotten us into the worst war in the last 20 years.
tim pool
I didn't say that was good.
Who was better?
Every other president in my life started several wars.
And so, I understand.
Like, bro, drone strike, man.
dave smith
Listen, I like that talking point.
I like that the talking point is he didn't start a new war rather than it being like he was so great because he was so
aggressive, you know, like he was such a war hawk like it would have been with previous Republicans.
But I mean, OK, he didn't start any new wars. That is technically true.
Again, he flirted around and flirted in Venezuela.
But, you know, the number of civilian casualties actually went up in his, you know, he didn't end any of the wars.
He continued all of them.
Well, he, okay, I give him all the credit in the world.
He authored the deal that ultimately ended the war in Afghanistan.
And by the way, even though he botched the execution, I give Biden credit too for ending that.
Fine.
But Donald Trump was the commander in chief for four years on the promise that he was going to end these wars.
No excuse making for that.
tim pool
He kept them all going for all four I think the difference in our perspectives is, because I agree with you, but my thing is like, I have to be positive on people who are making progress so that we can continue to encourage the election of people who will follow further and further in that direction of... But then I'll say, if we want to make progress... But he didn't really make progress, is what I'm saying.
dave smith
If more people are being killed... If more... What is that?
So that's a... What deal?
What piece did he strike with who?
tim pool
So, when you have planes that are traveling over Israel, when you have countries like, what is it, Saudi Arabia, among other Arabic nations that are now allowing inter-country commerce, it's just a step in the right direction.
dave smith
No, there was no war between Saudi Arabia and Israel.
There was no war between the UAE and Israel.
tim pool
You couldn't go to the country if you had the passport stamped.
dave smith
So basically what he did was, in these peace deals, is he basically bought off these other Muslim countries to be friends with Israel when they had vowed to not be friends with Israel over their treatment of the Palestinian people.
And so we bribed them with US taxpayer dollars to look the other way and let Israel do what they want to do to the Palestinian people in order to not be enemies with them.
So if that's a peace deal, fine.
But if I'm talking about the actual wars, The war in Yemen, the war in Somalia, the wars in all of these countries.
No, he didn't end them.
So that's the type of peace deal I'd be looking for.
So I agree with you.
I want to see progress.
But I think the way to get progress is to say, no, that's not good enough.
We're actually expecting, when you run on saying we're going to end the wars, that means end the freaking wars.
End them all.
This is insane.
We're draining, we're bankrupting our country to be the empire of the world.
And for what?
What do we even get out of it?
What do we get?
Okay, in the last 20 years, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, like all these campaigns, what have we gotten for it?
tim pool
Petrodollar.
ian crossland
Yeah, opium and lithium.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's the petrodollar.
dave smith
Right.
tim pool
It's that we don't have to do anything to buy oil.
Literally nothing.
dave smith
The funny thing about that is that it's like, even that, how does that benefit the American people?
I mean, it benefits the Federal Reserve, right?
Like, they can print all the money they want and there's still something that's kind of backing up its currency.
tim pool
It does.
dave smith
But how is that actually benefiting regular people?
tim pool
Well, I'll tell you.
dave smith
It allows their government to rape them even more.
tim pool
Well, but it does benefit the American people.
I'm not a fan of how the system works, but it does.
So the GDP of, say, Brazil has to be high so they can, with, what's the Brazilian currency?
Man, I can't, someone, what is it?
ian crossland
I'll hook it up.
dave smith
I believe it's the Brasilio.
tim pool
The Brasilio, that's exactly what it is.
So, what is it?
dave smith
I should know the answer to this.
ian crossland
It's the Mexican peso?
tim pool
No, it's not the Mexican peso in Brazil.
ian crossland
You sure?
tim pool
Yes, I'm pretty sure.
ian crossland
The Brazilian real?
tim pool
Yes, hey, I don't know why I'm Mexican pace. It's a hey I hey I so in order to buy oil
They got to trade that for petrodollars. They trade it for the dollar so you can buy on the market with us
What we do is US currency is created upon the the transaction of a loan
so when you buy a house the bank just Manifests half a million dollars for the house or whatever
it is You're buying and that money appears the bank of the bank
account of the person who sold the house It was not, nothing was done to make that happen.
In Brazil, you've gotta actually sell stuff, you've gotta actually make stuff, you've gotta trade stuff, and you've gotta do it internationally.
Your GDP has to be higher, your exports have to be higher than your imports.
So that means people have to be making things and selling them overseas, where in the United States, the American people can literally do nothing And the U.S.
government can acquire oil that we use for machinery, for production, for food subsidies.
It does benefit the American people.
dave smith
No, so all of that's right, but it's like, which of the American people is it benefiting really?
And because what I'm seeing throughout this entire process is the entire working class of America being hollowed out.
unidentified
Right?
dave smith
And so, yes, it's benefiting the people.
What it allows is, like, it benefits the speculators trading in the Wall Street casino, and it benefits the people who work for weapons companies or the think tanks that are funded by those weapons companies who go and lobby for the next war.
But I'm telling you that I think overall it's a net negative for the average American.
What it is is the lifeblood of the empire.
But the empire is the enemy of the republic.
It's the enemy of the people.
tim pool
I agree.
I prefer a system where people work, trade, and you have what you make.
You use your hands, you use your mind, you make, you create, you live a good life.
You share with your neighbors, your neighbors come together, you build something great.
And that should be from within our borders, and we can do international trade when other countries agree to trade with us.
I don't like the system of the reserve.
There's an argument that's made often about if we don't do it, you know, China will fill the power vacuum and There's questions about a unipolar Chinese world and things like that, or I should say Chinese communist world.
My thing is, I don't think any of the wars have ever been justified.
They've made ridiculous justifications for them.
But if you actually look at what the goal of these wars were, if you look at the goal of why they're giving money away, it's simple.
Why did Syria happen?
Let's just say, I agree with you, Maj, I'm done believing this stuff is an accident.
The United States said they, okay, so we go back to the, you're familiar with the Qatar-Turkey pipeline deal, all that stuff.
The U.S.
wanted to build a pipeline with their allies from Iraq, Syria, Turkey, into Europe, offset Russia's monopoly.
Syria said, no, we're allies with Russia.
Conveniently, somehow, a civil war erupted in Syria.
And then we were just on the side against the dude who blocked our natural gas pipeline.
So that would have upset Gazprom.
Lo and behold, the conflict in Ukraine.
It's all part of the same thing.
Russia now is strangling out with energy prices in Europe.
The whole purpose of what we've done internationally is effectively a hostage situation so that everyone has to use the dollar to buy oil with.
And the reason we give money out when you're like, why are we giving $12 million to gender studies in Pakistan during a pandemic when we're shut down and our economy's collapsing?
Because if you give them the money, they will use it.
And so long as they use it, confidence remains in the currency which we use so we can buy oil and not have to do work.
It is a hostage situation across the board.
I'm not a fan of it.
I don't think it's good.
I don't think any of it's justified.
But this is what they don't tell the regular people.
maj toure
But at a certain point, long term, again, empires doing empire shit is one thing.
Constitutional republics respecting the citizens and not trying to just go murder people to justify it for that dollar.
I think you both have excellent points.
You're saying, this is why.
tim pool
We completely agree.
dave smith
Oh yeah, no, no, no.
We're basically on the same page.
I'm just saying that the entire, what this has led to, the entire consumer economy, rather than kind of like the economy of, because basically it went from gold standard to petro standard.
Like that was basic.
I mean, there's a few years in between, but it was all, it was early seventies to mid seventies when we went from the petro dollar, when we went from the gold standard to the petro dollar.
And what happens then is you enter into this, this age of like wild inflation, And by the way, inflation's been happening all the way throughout, just depending on how you measure it.
You know, it's like they use the CPI to measure inflation, but if you really sit back and think about it, what were the price of things in the 70s versus the price of things now?
Everything is drastically more expensive.
Go talk to like your parents about who, anyone who like bought a home, what they bought a home for $1,000 yeah right inflation has been with us this
whole time and it's it's shown in lots of different ways but this economy I
think has done much more damage that then it has benefited regular American people
what it's done is kind of put out of they've it's put the basic things
that most people want out of reach
The idea that, like, hey, we could have, let's say, one job in this family and that could support the entire family.
Oh, with that one job, we could own a house and send our kids to college and have health insurance and have all of the basic things that most regular people want.
Now, with the husband and wife working, it's still completely out of reach.
So I don't buy into this narrative that, like, we're benefiting.
Empire is more of a cost than it is a benefit.
tim pool
But there's a lot of complicated nuances around the idea.
dave smith
Get out of here, Fly.
Are you working for the Empire?
tim pool
So a lot of people say stuff like, you know, 70 years ago, a high school education was enough to support a family of five.
And it's like, what did you need to own?
You didn't need to own things, right?
Today you have to have a computer, you have to have a phone.
And it's because, let's say you go work at any job.
Let's say you want to be a pizza delivery boy.
You better have a cell phone, right?
Okay, well phones have gotten a lot cheaper, but you require certain materials now that people didn't require before.
It's like you could go to get a job working somewhere and it's like phones were there as part of the company.
dave smith
But the phone isn't really what's putting people, isn't what's making people bankrupt, right?
I mean, those kids can afford a phone.
tim pool
I'm saying there's a lot of different factors that play into this.
One of them is the expansive requirements.
The services we require.
You need to pay your internet bill.
You need to buy a phone.
You need to have a vehicle.
All of these things compound.
So my parents growing up, they didn't need a TV.
They didn't need phones.
They didn't need anything.
They had empty studio apartments with a mattress on the floor.
And it was like not living well, but it was like you didn't have to worry about extensive bills.
So regardless of inflation, there's more material expenses that are compounding.
dave smith
But I think there's also like the prices, I mean if you think about it like this, right, where if you go, if a lot of those kids who bought into that and all went to college because they were told this is what we have to do, and these are a lot of the same kids who are begging for debt forgiveness now, which I'm against, but just to say, they go, let's say you go and you're a hundred grand in debt now from college, and then you enter a job market post 2008 financial recession, it was not a good job market, so you're like working at Starbucks.
So you're working at Starbucks, and you have $100,000 in debt, and you're living at home, and the average cost of a house around you is like $500,000, and the cost of college is what college is, the cost of healthcare is what healthcare is.
That kid's looking there going, what is the plausible path for, say, that young man working at Starbucks to get married and support a family?
The cost of just schooling and housing and healthcare and all of the things that the government has bid up to these insane high prices, like that to me is almost like the essential problem with the soul of America, as Joe Biden likes to mention it, is that we have made the path to just having a life where you start a family and raise your kids and live a nice life damn near impossible for regular people.
tim pool
Well, they've solved that problem.
Advocate against having a family and nobody will buy it.
There you go.
Problem solved.
dave smith
Abortion solves this problem.
unidentified
Here's the solution.
tim pool
That's what we're facing now.
dave smith
Here's the solution.
She has an abortion and it turns out you're a woman, not a man.
So there you go.
ian crossland
No more babies.
If we had been on the petrodollar from 1975, the standard of living in the United States
would have been way less, I would imagine.
We wouldn't have had access to a tenth of the wealth that we have now.
maj toure
So I guess in essence, the question is tying into, are you guys saying that we should, because this is kind of going in the direction of, we should want less.
Is it going that way?
Like, is our definition changing because credit, credit, credit, inflation, inflation, inflation, inflation, greed, greed, greed?
So now you want more, but you're chasing more, but now you got more debt, and now it's impossible?
dave smith
Well, see, I think it's fine to always want more, and in many ways we get more, like with technological advances, but to your question, Ian, like, if there is, um, if you say, if we had gone off the gold standard, but hadn't gone on to the petrodollar, well, there's still a lot of other questions.
Like, so then what would we have done?
I mean, if we had not wasted, let's say, a trillion dollars a year on maintaining the empire, and that trillion dollars had been not extracted from the American economy and just handed over to basically weapons companies and all of that, and that had been left within the American economy, then yes, I think we'd be way richer than we are for maintaining the American economy.
But an even stronger argument is, how about this?
What if we had not gotten off of the gold standard?
And what if we had not created the Department of Education and the Department of Homeland Security?
And what if we had not had this drastic expansion of government and we had continued to be a somewhat free society?
We would be wealthier right now than we can possibly fathom.
tim pool
I'll put it into video game terms for you.
Civilization.
You guys ever play Civilization?
What's the latest one?
Six?
ian crossland
Six.
tim pool
I love Civilization.
So you build a civil, you start as like a nomadic tribe.
You build a city, you develop, you can choose to do technology.
There's a bunch of different ways you can win.
The way I always play the game, is I build a bunch of cities, have my borders, have minimal military just to defend our borders, but no excursions, develop science, flying cars, and you know, coastal flood walls, and advanced technology.
And with advanced technology, anybody who tries to invade me, we stop, And we don't go chase them down.
That's how I play the game.
See, this is how I imagine America used to be, and could be, you know, and maybe Trump isn't the perfect avatar of bringing this about, but at the very least being like, we'll protect our borders and we'll stop wasting time over there.
ian crossland
We tried.
It was an obvious, like, if you don't get involved across the world, if you're not part of the community, somebody's going to be like, well, I also have access to the technology and I would like to conquer.
tim pool
Yes, but what I'm saying is, the way I go about playing my civilization is, yes, I will have military capabilities, but I don't need to go and conquer all these other lands because I'm scared they might attack me.
I just, if they come at me, then I smack them back, and I focus on making my country great.
ian crossland
If you're playing on difficult, and the enemy really wants to destroy you, they'll have like 16 bombers ready, they'll have nukes, they'll have all sorts of weapons that you can't defend against.
No, you cannot, no matter how great.
tim pool
Don't you tell me about civilization, because even- You gotta play on god mode, man.
Immortal only.
Listen, if you want to play a game where the enemy has an unfair advantage in their resource production, that's just a stupid analogy.
When I'm talking about playing on normal, and they have the same rules that I have, yes, I build nukes, I build weapons, and I mind my own effing business.
ian crossland
We'll stream it live and see what happens.
dave smith
But in the real world, it's like this, right?
It's like what Adam said, and he was right on the money, and I forget, I don't have the exact quote, I'll butcher it, but he goes, if we go around searching for monsters to slay, we will become the dictress of the world, and we will lose our own soul.
And that's exactly what's happened to the United States of America, that we've become,
we've decided, and look, you can watch this. It was such a prophetic warning that even as like,
when the Republicans and the evangelical Christians really had so much control of the
country and the culture, right, in post-911, they used this to say, we're going to go to Iraq,
we're going to go to Afghanistan, we're going to fight this war on terrorism. And what's happened
to our own soul since then? It's completely collapsed. And I'll say this to right-wingers
who like really care about the culture war stuff, they should care about being anti-war more than
anything else. Because when does the like kind of left-wing degenerate culture really take hold?
When did you see the social revolution? It was during Vietnam.
There is...
When did you see the rise of the woke insanity?
It was following the war on terrorism with all of these failed wars.
Look, even the idea of Hitler rising, that was all a consequence of Woodrow Wilson getting us into World War I. We entered into a war we had no business being in.
We entered a world war that would have ended in a stalemate almost certainly.
and tipped the balance on one side, enforced the Treaty of Versailles on the Germans, we
drew the Russian forces out and the Bolsheviks took over Russia, so now you have the rise
of communism and Nazism.
It's all Woodrow Wilson's fault for getting us in that way.
We are supposed to be a city on a hill.
We're supposed to be a free country.
And if other countries want to emulate us, then great.
But you know what?
The idea that we're going to bring freedom all around the world when we can't even protect it here?
You're telling me the country that had lockdowns is going to bring freedom to, what, the Muslim world?
Give me a break!
tim pool
And this is the important point for you, Ian, too.
Your argument would dictate that we gear up for a beaching of China.
ian crossland
No, no, no.
I mean, I know what you guys are saying.
tim pool
They've got concentration camps right now where they're raping women, they're forcing abortions on them, and they're in concentration camps.
They're expanding rapidly around the world.
They wanted to build the Nicaraguan Canal, which would have wiped out a natural water aquifer,
just because, and it's ridiculous how long it would have been,
had to have been, because we have the Panama Canal.
They're doing exploration and land purchases.
In the United States, in South America and Africa, they have the Belt and Road Initiative.
They are doing so much that is expanding their power.
If Hitler had exterminated the Jews without an invasion, no one would have stopped him.
the concentration camps and the skirmishes on the border.
Where are they? India?
So if that is your criteria, we should have already invaded them a long time ago.
ian crossland
They haven't been invading anybody though. If Hitler had exterminated the Jews without an invasion, no one would
have stopped him.
I mean, what right do you have to go into a sovereign nation and tell them how to run their show? It's just...
maj toure
So that's the point of saying, we're a city on a hill.
Because to your point, that's what we've been doing, clandestine or overt, for decades at this point.
dave smith
And by the way, no one did stop Hitler from genociding the Jews.
I mean, I guess the Soviets liberated like the last few A few hundred of them or something like that, but he got away with his genocide and it only happened after the war.
You know what I mean?
So if anything, the idea that the war prevented the genocide of the Jews, I know a little something about this as a Jew whose family is from Germany.
Nope, genocide was prevented, you know what I mean?
So really, the truth is that all we can do, and this is unfortunate, but the reality is that Large swaths of the world are authoritarian nightmares.
And all that happens when we raise up this military-industrial complex in the name of battling that is we become an authoritarian nightmare as well.
Unfortunately, it's like the analogy I like to use is it's like if you were sitting there in your house and you're worrying about your neighbor's marriage while your marriage is falling apart.
You know?
Like, you're literally, your marriage is falling apart, but you're really concerned about how the guy down the street is treating you.
tim pool
But if you see the guy down the street kicking doors in... Who was married to Abner and Bewitched, that lady?
dave smith
Oh, the actress?
unidentified
Abner!
Abner!
tim pool
You know?
She's always watching from across the way.
Yes, yes.
dave smith
I got that one.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
It's true, but if your neighbor down the street's breaking down the doors of other neighbors, then you're like, uh, are we just gonna sit here?
Like, at what point do we get involved in...
dave smith
Okay, but then at the same time, man, if you're going to use this analogy, then when do people start checking America?
I love that we always just imagine ourselves as the ones who are stopping other people from breaking down the doors.
Like, who's broken down more doors?
Listen, man, between the war in Iraq, and the war in Afghanistan, and the war in Yemen, and the war in Syria, and the war in Somalia, and the drone campaign in Pakistan, and the war in Yemen, what do you think the total death count is?
unidentified
It's in the millions, dude.
dave smith
Millions.
We are the ones.
We're the world's terrorists right now.
So if anyone should kick down any doors, it should... And by the way, I'm not like a lefty, blame America first.
I love America.
I love this country.
I hate our government.
I'm talking about our government right now.
I'm not some left-winger like, there's problematic, toxic masculinity or something.
I'm telling you, these are the blood-soaked monsters in our government.
They are the ones who should be checked.
tim pool
And let's point out the purpose of NATO, which was?
dave smith
Well, supposedly it was to stop the Soviet Union from encroaching into Western Europe.
tim pool
Hey, we did that!
And now what's NATO doing?
dave smith
Oh, they're encroaching into Eastern Europe!
maj toure
Same thing, same thing.
dave smith
No, they became that.
We promised, when the Soviet Union collapsed, we promised both verbally and in writing that NATO would not move one inch to the east.
That was the deal we made the Soviet Union.
We said, look, let all your satellites break up, okay, let them have their sovereignty, and we promise you we won't move NATO one inch to the east.
And now Finland is getting on board.
then has expanded, has included more Eastern European countries.
tim pool
And now Finland is getting on board.
That's right.
So I think Finland.
dave smith
Including Trump, by the way, who brought two more into NATO.
tim pool
Who did he bring in?
On the board?
dave smith
Yeah, who's, you have to look that up, or the Trump.
Was it Estonia under Trump?
tim pool
Was it Estonia?
dave smith
No, no, no.
I might be wrong about that.
ian crossland
I feel like the liberal economic order was spun up to prevent World War III, which it kind of has, except we're in a fifth generational world war right now.
This is a techno war.
dave smith
See, I think the excuse was to prevent World War III, but I think the truth is that this is just kind of the natural, this is like, it's the Adams quote, we lost our soul.
So once we won the first world war, it was like, all right, well.
Do we just go back to being a city on a hill now?
I don't know.
We're the toughest guys in the world.
And then once we did it again and won the second world war, it was like, oh okay, well now we have half of Europe, Stalin has half of Europe, and now it's a competition to who can rule the whole, it's like you got, they get drawn into the game of world domination.
maj toure
Empire's doing empire shit.
And the basics of it all is, it's time, it's been time to fucking pull back.
The difference is, the part that I think a lot of times we don't see now is, the actual death.
The actual fucking murder.
The actual babies.
The actual people being fucking killed.
Cause otherwise, media can spin up this argument that the things that Dave is like breaking down, media can make it look like, oh those are the actual bad guys and we're just here to protect us from those guys.
Nevermind, okay yeah we're gonna have this conversation about Election meddling and all of these other different things, but let's ignore the fact that our government, so-called deep state, whatever, has been doing it forever.
I think that part is the general public is going to have to ask, do you want to be the Republican to free vote and fall back and hold those parties or those public servants in that position to do that?
Or are you okay with just being the empire?
But empires generally fall.
dave smith
Yeah, and that's right.
Can I just say, real quickly, there's that.
Even if you don't care about, like, the innocent women and children being slaughtered in all of these countries, like, hypothetically, if you're just like, that's not your thing.
Okay, look what it's given us.
unidentified
Right.
dave smith
Like, this whole, like, domestic war on terrorism now that Joe Biden is pointing in at Donald Trump supporters, what's he using?
He's going to use the Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security and everything that those guys supported, that they voted for, in the name of fighting the Muslims, right?
That's what's going to be turned on their own people.
tim pool
And what did every single one of us say as activists in the late 2000s and early 2010s?
What Obama was doing was, this is exactly what is going to happen.
dave smith
You know, I appreciated Greg Gutfeld, who I love, who's got a show on Fox News, as a lot of you know, I'm sure.
But he said, he was like, you know, I was one of those guys, and he named me as one of the people.
Like, he was like, you know, all these people would tell me, like Glenn Greenwald and Dave Smith, and like, and I think he said Matt Taibbi.
And he'd go, they all go, you know, if the government can do this to Muslims, they can do it to you.
And I was like, no, they'd never do that.
And I really appreciate it, and he admitted it.
He goes, hey, I might have been right about that.
I gotta say, there was a point.
tim pool
Hey, man, even Tucker, right?
A lot of people who were very much pro-machine are now going, hey, I think we were wrong about that.
dave smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm like, respect, man.
dave smith
I give Tucker a lot of credit for that, because he was like a real supporter of the war in Iraq, I believe, in 2003, 2004.
And he turned around pretty early.
I think it was like 2005.
I think he went there, and he was like, oh, yeah, this is, I was way wrong about this.
And now he's become It's so weird in this world that the 8 p.m.
Fox News hour is the biggest anti-war voice in the corporate press.
tim pool
Here's what we said, because we had a boomer on the show, and we told her that feminists are the pro-war faction now, and she didn't believe it because she was a feminist.
And then it was Richie McGinnis and his mom, and Richie goes, no, yeah, that's right.
I said, think about it.
You have a group of people, one wearing red hats, one wearing pussy hats.
Which side is pro-war?
The Trump supporters are more likely to be angry, being like, stop.
And the pussyhats are going to be like, how much money can we give to Ukraine for this war effort?
unidentified
Yeah.
dave smith
And I'll tell you, I wish the, like, I'm happy with the movement to being more anti-war on the right.
I think it's like the best development in the last 15 years.
But I just want, I want, I want them to be better.
You know what I mean?
I think they're still not quite good enough.
But yeah, it is crazy how much the left was co-opted.
Although, I will say that what's kind of interesting is that a lot of the people who were really good on the left are now just labeled as right-wingers.
tim pool
Right.
dave smith
And I think you kind of fall into that category.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
Jimmy Dore is right-wing now.
dave smith
He's a socialist.
tim pool
Well, that's right.
dave smith
Glenn Greenwald and Jimmy Dore.
That's how you be.
Right.
I think you fall into that category, too.
You were kind of one of the people who would have considered yourself on the left, who, as that switch happened, were like, well, no, I'm not going to go into being the pro-CIA, pro-war camp.
tim pool
Julian Assange.
dave smith
That's not what we are.
tim pool
When they started coming after Julian Assange, I was like, why is the left all of a sudden mad at the guy who's good?
I don't understand what's going on here.
And then they were like, because he helped Trump.
And I'm like, and?
maj toure
Like, what I'm saying to y'all is, see, you guys are explaining things from a very highly level, a big understanding of this political thing that's going on, right?
Again, simplifying it for the general public.
The massive overcorrections, sorry, air quotes, that's happening on both sides, there's general public.
To your point about you that are going like, hey, this is the standard that I stand for.
I'm objective here.
It doesn't matter who, I'm not going to switch because it's, oh, he said he was giving Trump, he was helping Trump.
No, he was, he was saying the thing that was right, right?
What we have to do is make sure that we're translating this to the general public that understands like, hey, they're feeling that same way.
Nah, I was with this, but that, I thought I was with that, but that's bullshit.
tim pool
It's so hard when you look like... Jennifer Lawrence gave an interview where she said, we could have had Hillary Clinton, but people just wouldn't vote for her because she had a vagina.
And I'm like, well, for me, it was because she wanted to start a war with Russia.
And because she said, we came, we saw he died, and was overseeing, she was Secretary of State, while we were blowing up kids and giving lucrative contracts to our buddies, like the government.
dave smith
It's so, by the way, not only is it...
like that not only is it untrue and that there's plenty of reasons to hate Hillary Clinton
it is the complete inverse of what is true right what is true is that Hillary Clinton
was only there because she was a woman she was married to the president and then gifted
a senate seat in a state she didn't even live in off of that and then ran for president
off that and lost to Barack Obama but because she was the second best given the secretary
of state role the fact is that she walked into the role because she was a woman but
yeah there's lots of reasons to hate her.
tim pool
This is where they are.
So I have a friend who's a Hollywood actress, and this is a couple years ago, and she said something like passively, like the only reason they voted for him was to hate brown people.
And then I was like, what does that mean?
What do you mean by that?
And she's like, the Trump supporters, they don't actually care about policy, they just hate brown people.
And I was like, is that what you think about these people?
I'll give you an example.
I was in Anaheim, and there were three Trump supporters.
Two young guys, one older guy.
And I asked them why they supported Trump, and they said, actually, they were Bernie supporters.
But when given the choice between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, Donald Trump was as close as they could get to a Bernie Sanders.
Not that they were particularly close, but on a lot of issues, they were.
And so they said, I'll take it because those matter to me.
Had nothing to do with race at all.
dave smith
Oh, there were hundreds of districts that went for Obama that flipped to Trump in 2016.
tim pool
9 million people.
dave smith
The idea that race was the driving factor in that is silly.
tim pool
My point here is, you're right, we gotta find their level, but when people genuinely are misled and live in bubble world echo chamber cult land because of the media, it is not that easy.
maj toure
No, no, it's not going to be fucking easy.
What I'm saying is we just have a severe opportunity here.
And I say severe because, and I choose that word carefully, severe meaning this opportunity you might not even like get it again.
Like, there is absolutely no way that you have these type of conversations, right?
And people are seeing that pendulum keep going both, boom, left, right, boom, red, blue, red, blue.
We have a severe opportunity to go, well, here's some other options.
Here's libertarian.
Here's independent.
These people are tired.
You just have to explain it to them.
You may not be able to do it on Facebook because in about two weeks they're going to start shutting anything that's leaning anywhere right of center.
Shit is getting suppressed.
dave smith
Well, it's true and you know, I like to say I might have said this on the show before once too, but I got sometimes you're like You could be looking through like, you know going on a YouTube journey and you'd go to like, you know You scroll them like these social justice warrior, you know Like videos and then you'll scroll on like some alt-right videos and like all this and you go.
Oh my god we're like on the verge of a race war in this country, but then you go to the supermarket and And some black guy walks in front of you and he goes, oh, pardon me.
And you go, oh, no, you're good, go ahead.
And then you open the door and you're like, no, you know, I think we're fine.
unidentified
And I'm like, I don't think any of this is real.
dave smith
And I'm saying that, well, I don't think I am.
I think that the vast majority of people in this country really are sick of the culture war stuff.
They care about the fact that prices are getting out of control.
They care about the fact that the economy is not working for them.
And the truth is that we need, this is what the whole- Yes, yes, yes.
tim pool
That's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's the economy, stupid.
But, see, people say things like, you know, Bill Burr said this recently on Trigonometry.
He's like, you go on the internet, people, the Civil War or whatever, but then you go on the real world, people are just minding their own business, doing their thing.
It's like, yes, it's no surprise to me that when you are in a liberal area, liberals are fine with each other.
It's no surprise to me that when you go to a conservative area, conservatives are fine with each other.
But go to an area where the streams, the rivers are mixing, and you're seeing people get shot in the chest, like Aaron Danielson.
When those clashes start happening, it's like, oh, Yes, New York is overwhelmingly liberal so they're not fighting each other.
They're still riots.
I went down to a conservative area where the cafes, the fast food restaurants all had like Bible study on the walls and I'm like, man, Chick-fil-A gets protests in the city.
That's where the streams mix and they don't get along and there's violent riots.
dave smith
I'm not denying any of that, but I'm saying that there's way more people, way more than
those incidents are people who are just really worried about like their daughter, who's like
failing out of eighth grade math and their son who's like, got to go to college next
year and what America needs.
This is what we're trying to push is that what we really need is like solutions to the
problems that actually matter.
This is why, this is why I really highly encourage people to give the Libertarian Party a look.
LP.org slash join.
Come check us out.
Here's our message.
Okay.
tim pool
And let me just get this.
dave smith
Let me get this out.
This is my big plug.
Okay.
We took over the Libertarian Party.
These are my people and Maja's people who are in there now.
Here's what we stand for a whole different, a whole different option than the Republicans
How about end all of the wars, end all of the remnants of the COVID regime and the COVID restrictions, end all of the corporate bailouts, all of this federal militarization of the police, as well as local militarization of the police, end the crazy...
Well, I'm saying like the entire domestic war on terrorism and the foreign war on terrorism and all of it.
War on drugs.
End the war on drugs, repeal the Patriot Act, abolish the FBI and the ATF and all of these awful organizations that are a disgrace to a professed free society.
End all gun control.
Like, let's stop locking people in cages.
Let's end all of these things that are pitting Americans against each other and give being a free country a shot.
That's what we need right now.
We need a revolution of freedom in this country.
maj toure
Those are the people that, even when you explain it that way, I live in a lefty city.
People are clearly, they know that we do firearms training.
They know that, oh he's pictures with Donald Trump Jr.
They know all of this.
There's no way, shape or form, in explaining that to that group of people, they're like, No, I thought you guys were like crazy, but now that we've had this actual genuine outreach, now that changes the dynamic.
My point in saying that is, I think that's the part where, because both so-called sides are tired, that that gives us that severe opportunity, and that's where that conversation needs to continue.
tim pool
This is why, on the surface, I'm in favor of ranked choice voting.
Because my first choice would be the Libertarian Party, particularly because the Mises Caucus took over.
But I have the fear right now that if I vote for the Libertarian Party, Democrats could win.
So this is the inherent problem of the first-past-the-post system, is that my best bet is just vote Republican, even if it's Donald Trump, because I don't want to see the Democrats maintain control.
dave smith
What about locally?
Locally, too?
tim pool
It's the same thing.
dave smith
Okay, so there is definitely, given the current circumstances, there's a certain way that a third party needs to be used, right?
So I think that what the Libertarian Party should be doing, essentially, my vision for it, now that we have it, is that if there are really good Republicans who are really good on, say, opposing war and Opposing the militarization of the police and all of these things that we care about, then okay.
Then yes, we should basically, if we're running and making the difference in that race where we could give it to a Democrat, essentially what we should do is make demands to that Republican.
Say, we want you to get even a little bit better on these issues.
We want promises.
If you're the incumbent, we want actual things.
And then endorse them?
And then kind of support them.
And if you're like a neocon, rhino, awful Republican, then we will cost you your job.
So don't ever run these people again because we will give you the other job.
But I will also say that, you know, with someone like Donald Trump, I don't know that there's even that strong of an argument.
Although I enjoy him owning the libs and triggering everybody.
You're talking about like when you got him in there.
We had 2020.
We had Fauci on the job for all of 2020 while Donald Trump was in there.
So that to me, I'd be like, I wouldn't even consider the idea that, oh, well, we better vote for Donald Trump instead of Joe Biden.
And I'm saying this from your own perspective.
maj toure
These are the same arguments, though.
Every fucking four years, this is going to be the same argument.
tim pool
I agree, I agree.
maj toure
At what point you say, I'm not eating sugar.
The shit is delicious, right?
You stop.
tim pool
Those cookies, man, where they at?
maj toure
But you stop.
It's rough for a bit, but you stop.
As opposed to going, well, I'm going down the street and been going down the street for however long.
Even if it's locally, even if... I mean, at what point do we say, this isn't good enough, we gotta do better.
tim pool
I agree with that, except the analogy would be more like, you've got the choice between sugar and beer.
And I'm like, I'm not touching the alcohol.
I would eat sugar before I drink alcohol.
Alcohol really messes me up.
It messes everybody up.
Look, I got this whoop thing and people are like, you're wearing that government tracker, what are you doing it?
Blame Luke.
Luke told me to get it and he's supposedly the anti-government.
But anyway.
I drank one beer.
I wake up and it's like, my whoop tells me I'm dying.
It's like your respiratory system was in decline, your temperature was spiking, you're fatigued, because beer is poison.
But if the choices between... The lesser of two evils?
Have the sugar, which...
Okay, you know, I choose not to do shit because I think it's bad, but if I have to have one of them, and then, you know, you see what the point is?
Yeah, I get your point.
Look, I don't agree with you on the, you know, Trump and Biden, what's the difference essentially, right?
dave smith
Well, there certainly are differences.
So just to be clear, I'm not even saying, even if you're going to argue that you're like, look, it's better, like I'm not saying everything's perfect, but one's way worse than the other, okay?
even if I grant that, I'm saying that, look, putting Trump in there led to what?
It led to Biden.
We, like, at a certain point, we have to say, look, this is what, look, basically the Republicans
and the Democrats have both committed in effect treason against the American people.
And like, this is the United States of America, damn it.
At a certain point, we got to stand up and say, like, no, we're, I'm not saying I would
never vote for the lesser of two evils.
I would vote for the lesser of two evils in some situation.
This is too damn evil on both sides.
There has to be some line in the sand where I go, no, I'm sorry, the guy who kept Fauci as the head of the COVID response and put him on TV every day through 2020, when the biggest moment, the biggest crisis of Donald Trump's life came, he failed.
He got an F on that score.
tim pool
You criticized Joe Biden.
That means you're a Trump supporter.
dave smith
Yeah, that is true.
I suppose that's true.
No, and obviously Joe Biden's awful, and all of the people he's put around him are just horrible, and they've done, like, basically everything wrong.
And it's a disaster.
But I'm just saying, how long?
We don't have another, we don't really have an option right now to say, let's put this off for another four years with a slightly less version.
This country will be over.
tim pool
Look, I think what it really comes down to is, like, I agree with you on all of the ideal positions, and then you're a revolutionary and I'm a reformer.
So I look at Donald Trump like, I like the school choice move, I think it's very important.
Banning critical race theory trainings at the government level, that's critical.
Listen, I agree.
I think you're right that I'm a revolutionary and you're a reformer.
I'd settle for being a reformer.
is those are good things pushing back against that.
dave smith
I listen, I agree with that. I think you're right that I'm a revolutionary and you're a reformer.
I'd settle for being a reformer. He's not even that. That's the problem.
I'd settle for, it's not as if, people treat me, I know they say, like I had a debate with Styx.
Do you know him?
He's great.
I like him a lot.
But we had a debate and some of his, we debated over Trump and his people were saying to me, they're like, Dave, you're just making the perfect the enemy of the good.
And my point is like, no.
I'm making the bad the enemy of the good.
Listen, what I care about is liberty, because liberty is what leads to a prosperous and stable society.
It's not like Donald Trump.
They're acting like Donald Trump, let's say, cut the government by 50%, and I'm going, that's not good enough!
I want a hundred percent.
You know what I mean?
But that's not it.
He grew the government.
It's not like he did something in the right direction, and I'm saying it wasn't enough.
I'm saying when he was elected president, he didn't really have control of the executive branch, but he was the president and the Republicans had the House and the Senate, and spending from Barack Obama went up.
Like I'm sorry, he's not even moving us in the right direction.
If the car is headed off the cliff, he's going faster than we were under Barack Obama.
tim pool
Now hold on, you said that voting for Trump got us Biden, and that's not a good thing.
But I'm kind of like, my argument to a lot of the Antifa people is that Donald Trump was their vote, not Joe Biden.
It was really weird to see Antifa people be like, well, I don't like Joe Biden, but Trump is a fascist.
And I'm like, if you think Trump is going to destroy this country, you think he's burning it down and breaking it into a million pieces, then you'd want to vote for him.
Because if the end result is just Joe Biden and the system is collapsing, well, then perhaps that's what restores the Republic.
dave smith
Or leads to something far worse than that.
maj toure
I think both positions have to be taken at the same time.
We're too late in the game to just pick one or the other at this point.
There has to be people that are willing to say, hey, I'm a reformer.
These are the areas where I'm going to reform.
You're a revolutionary.
These are the areas.
Tell me more about this revolutionary shit.
The people in the middle that don't even know that both of these other options exist are the people that we both have to collectively and individually gauge.
and get that's the part that's the because there's people on the sidelines
going that are gonna listen to this and they're gonna first thing I'm gonna be
like well Maj wouldn't even saying shit I don't fucking have to you guys are
gonna say stuff and I'm gonna go this is what they mean by this breakdown there
are people in the middle that are like I reform on some of these areas I'm
revolutionary in these Maybe locally, maybe in a small town, maybe in New Hampshire.
Maybe we go, okay, we're going to just revamp this.
Maybe what DeSantis is doing in Florida, he's definitely going to win, but he's like, okay, now I'm going local.
Now I'm going to talk to all of these other people too.
That's a model that we can emulate.
Okay, to your point, okay, no, Trump is absolutely not as horrible as Biden, but to your point, you're saying, yeah, but dude's still fucking spending us into fucking oblivion, right?
At the same time, okay, you're the realist.
These are how some of these things go currently.
You're like, well, they shouldn't fucking go this way currently and they never should have and here's how they're wrong.
You have to be able to explain that to the general public that are in the middle.
We're not arguing against, and you guys aren't obviously, we're not arguing against each other, we're listening, we're talking really to the people that are watching that we don't even know are watching to inform them about here's how this person was horrible, here's how this person was great, here's how locally you can avoid that, and here's how you can completely abolish that.
dave smith
But just to your point that we're not arguing here, I mean look, we're basically on the same page with all this stuff, right?
And so it almost becomes a question of like strategy, like what do we do at this point?
Because we're really in a crumbling we're in a crumbling society and this is a very dangerous situation
No, I agree with you, but I do think that the way forward I agree seizing the federal government is not the way phone
unidentified
I mean that by winning an election becoming president not the way to wait forward is to try to
dave smith
Have as much of an awakening of as big a group of people as you can
To recognize what the core of the problem is here Yeah
like everyone kind of senses that there's a major problem in this society and what we need to do is kind of wake
people up To realize that and and I will I would argue very passionately
that really the problem is that we've completely Drifted away from everything this country was supposed to
write. Yeah, which is the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights and the idea of individual liberty.
Sure, sure.
tim pool
So, I'm curious your thoughts on rank choice voting.
Can I finish your- Oh yeah, of course.
Grab another bottle.
What do you guys think on rank choice voting?
dave smith
I think it would be an improvement over the current situation, sure. I mean, I don't know
that that necessarily solves everything, but I think that the – I mean, look, like you said
before, we kind of have this uniparty, what a lot of libertarians like to call the duopoly, you know,
of like two parties who are basically a monopoly. The system's completely rigged against third
parties. Look what they're doing to Larry Sharp in New York, where they just raised the requirement
to get – I believe he was in court today. I don't know what ended up happening with that.
tim pool
But – We've had him on several times. Cool.
dave smith
Yeah. Yeah. We love Larry Sharp. But so, yeah, I think that would be an improvement. But I think
from my perspective, almost like on a more of a meta level, it's like people have to like kind
of wake up to accepting that this is only going to work when –
When enough people go, we're not falling into this game anymore.
Where you go, okay, if from your perspective you believe that this evil party is 5% less evil than this evil party, then we'll fall in line with them.
Because this is what they do.
This is how the game's been played, right?
It's like, Bush is such a disaster that you know what, those swing voters will swing over to Obama.
And then Obama's such a disaster that those swing voters will swing over to Trump.
And then Trump is just such a headache and everyone's just so over him and the response to him and all of this that like, Oh, I guess dead people will just vote for Joe Biden.
He really won the dead vote.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like this game, and there's got to be a way to kind of break out of this.
ian crossland
But I think, but yes, yeah, we have the technology for the 50 governors to get on a Skype chat, to get on Slack, to get on some video chat.
Every day.
tim pool
It's the legislators.
ian crossland
Let's get them on a show.
The problem is that we have the technology, but people have been looking at it as if we don't.
Like they're stuck in this past state of mind where we got to send letters and wait two weeks to hear back and like, dude, the solutions are in front of us literally right now.
All four of us.
tim pool
Hear me out, guys.
Here we go.
So here's what I was thinking, like, you know, the problem is, you're right, you go back and forth, we're swinging, it's getting crazy, one guy gets in, there's a bunch of bad stuff, so then everyone's like, I'll go vote for this guy, then here's a bunch of bad stuff, and I'm like, what if there was a simpler way to do it?
You know, what if we just had, like, one person who just, you know, we put in charge to run the system, and then we didn't have to worry about voting or anything like that, like, you know, when they got too old, their kid would just take over for them, and then, you know, their kids, and then, you know.
dave smith
Have you been reading Hoppa?
This is a...
unidentified
I got a question about war.
ian crossland
You were talking about cutting back on the military, basically, in general, which I'm pretty much anti-war, but I'm also, these days, I've been thinking to myself, maybe I'm a realist, that we've been running the war machine, the United States was tasked with the liberal economic order, the British Empire, the Americans, the Australians, whatever.
If we just stopped, would not Boeing just start selling planes and weapons to the Chinese CCP, and then they would take over and become a military dominating force, putting troops China taking over the world is just not happening.
maj toure
Look, we are so much richer than China is.
dave smith
But that's not the idea this idea is like so ridiculous dude. It's like so okay
So then I guess we just got a prop up Boeing because someone else could prop up Boeing if we don't prop up
But I'm looking at China listen man. I know that this is like China taking over the world is just not happening look
We are so much richer than China is if you the amount of poverty that they have in their country compared to us
What about like we can't afford to do this we're 30 trillion dollars in debt
We're going bankrupt doing this.
China is doing the exact opposite of what we're doing.
They're going around and investing in other parts of the world while we spend ourselves into debt.
China, by the way, is in a bubble economy that is 10,000 times bigger than the bubble that we have right here.
This thing is going to pop.
China couldn't even get through dominating their own region, let alone dominating the entire world.
Don't get me wrong, China is a really messed up government.
They're a communist government that basically figured out that they should allow prices
and businesses.
So they're not quite communist in the way that Mao Zedong was communist, but they're
still kind of communist and it's kind of fascist, I guess.
And they're evil and they do a lot of bad things.
But this idea that like, oh, if we didn't prop up the military-industrial complex, that
then China would prop up our military-industrial complex.
Look, man, here's what matters.
We got two oceans on either side of us.
We got the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, or at least one of the biggest nuclear arsenals in the world.
We got the, you know, we have 400 million guns or something in that neighborhood.
No one's a threat to us.
Period.
The idea that China's gonna come halfway around the world- No, no, they come from the ocean.
ian crossland
It comes from the orbit.
maj toure
It's just you see it before it gets here.
ian crossland
I don't know if that's true There's a listen man if China want so so in that case that could they could do it right now Nothing to do with the history of earth is basically there is a military Dominator it almost at all times.
dave smith
There's somebody that's the most powerful military force and they are controlling things There were empires way before America became an empire, but from the beginning of America, we were still a free country.
That's not our job to worry about, man.
And I'm sorry, I know that rubs people the wrong way, because they have this idea that we have to be the good guys of the world, even though we're objectively the bad guys in the world.
But the truth is that, like I said before, we can't even protect freedom in our country.
We're not spreading it around the world.
Let's say the best thing America ever did for the world was exporting the best parts
of our culture.
Was it was that people wanted to listen to our music and wear our blue jeans and be cool
like us?
That's the best influence we could have on the world.
You being a free country here.
ian crossland
Do you think on the dawn of colonization of Mars that it's OK not to be strive to be the
military dominating force on earth as a country?
Or should we give that power to a corporation or to another country?
dave smith
I would say that to keep us a free country, I am okay with sacrificing colonizing Mars.
ian crossland
When you say free country, do you mean that you're not like anyone can do anything?
Because in a totally open system, it can be co-opted very easily by outside forces.
dave smith
No, when I say freedom, I mean liberty.
I mean negative rights.
I mean the right to life, liberty, property.
ian crossland
So like no spying on people, that kind of stuff, you'd get rid of that.
But then what happens then when the CCP is spying and infiltrating our media and making us think things like communism good?
I've always thought communism was good.
dave smith
I mean, you know, who's really done more to infiltrate our country?
I mean, how do they even infiltrate it?
They infiltrate what?
What do they pay off?
ian crossland
Commercials or bots?
dave smith
What do they pay off our president's son?
ian crossland
Bot farms on social media followers.
dave smith
Yeah, but that's always what they tell you.
Universities.
Right, universities.
The government program that is universities that's completely backed up by loans coming from the government.
Oh yeah, social media companies that the government is... Comments.
unidentified
No comments.
dave smith
This is all nonsense, dude.
The idea that social media comments have had this huge influence, you know, the truth is that all that's happened is that's been used as an excuse for the government to crack down on social media companies and insist that... What do you mean?
tim pool
Huh?
We see it all the time.
Companies caving to 30 people over nonsense.
dave smith
So, we were doing an event... Yeah, but those are real people you're talking about.
They're like social justice warriors.
ian crossland
There's no way to tell.
tim pool
There's no way to tell.
And some of it very well could be China.
They call it the 50 Cent Army.
You know what this is?
dave smith
Yeah, I've heard of it.
tim pool
They go out there, they post pro-CCP stuff.
We've also heard from other people who are familiar with China's actions that they're encouraging wokeness in the United States.
TikTok, for instance, allows it here, but doesn't allow it there.
So I've personally experienced this where you get one person pretending to be 50 to try and force a business and it works.
dave smith
Okay, so I'm not arguing that that has never had an effect on say like a business.
I'm talking about more like I'm like subverting the entire country.
But if you look at the main ways what people try to infiltrate is they try to infiltrate the institutions of the government or I suppose you could say universities, which is again basically a giant government program it's all
completely propped up by government-backed loans or the whole industry wouldn't exist. I think that
yeah look you'd need to have a culture to guard against that type of stuff. Like liberty. Right
and that's what you need is a culture if you want to guard against communism you really like to have
a culture that believes in liberty and also strong families and and strong values and all the
government does is undermine all of this.
Chinese bots and all of those different things to infiltrate that?
the kind of like undermining churches and communities and all of this.
This is what big government has gotten us.
maj toure
So in essence, I guess your question would be in essence, how do we prop up against things like that? China, Chinese,
uh, bots and all of those different things to infiltrate that
to the point it's our government doing it more than anybody else.
And if we're going along with it and we're weakening it because the government is telling us to, right?
Again, 2020, instead of us genuinely saying, fuck no, I'm not wearing a mask.
I'm not wearing a fucking vaccine.
My business didn't close the entire time.
We didn't stop at Black Guns Matter.
We kept going.
That is a culture of we're free.
Now, if something is really there, we're going to be safe and responsible.
We're going to mitigate our freedoms or our safety based on that freedom.
Right?
That culture compared to, hey, CCP where we build stuff and people jump out of the fucking building and there's nets to catch them from killing themselves, when you compare that to a young person, you show them that difference, as opposed to them being told, yeah, socialism is great and there's nothing to really counter that, no real information, then of course it's going to be more difficult.
But that's not overwhelmingly coming from China.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Would you use, like, American propaganda to push that message on people?
dave smith
What do you mean by propaganda?
ian crossland
Well, like, little kids are the most susceptible.
They made cigarette commercials illegal and, like, this, whatever.
maj toure
Well, they made little kids fucking do the Pledge of Allegiance.
ian crossland
Yeah, as a form of national propaganda to get people on board with American ideals.
maj toure
I think that...
That word propaganda is kind of loaded, right?
Because me saying I believe that everyone should have a firearm to be able to defend themselves and telling them about their human right to self-defense, me articulating that well is a form of propaganda, right?
And it's in alignment with my agenda, which is freedom and liberty.
Right?
So when you say propaganda, what do you mean?
Do you mean like Bernays just fucking lied to you?
Propaganda?
ian crossland
Yeah, like how deep would you take it?
Because I think right now they're using Google to subvert what they think is American, whatever ideals, to combat the CCP that's putting in like, hey kids, be a communist.
dave smith
Hold on, let me just ask, because you're saying when they're using Google, who do you mean is using Google to combat the CCP?
ian crossland
Well, we know the FBI is in tight with social media networks telling them what to post, what not to post, if and when.
Yeah, right. Yeah, it's very murky as to who exactly.
dave smith
And they certainly, at least according to Mark Zuckerberg, when he was asked why they suppressed the Hunter Biden
story, the first thing he said was, well, the FBI came to us and
told us there was going to be this big Russian dump.
And then when there was this dump, they said this was all the dump.
They all said this was the Russian propaganda.
tim pool
So again, I'm just saying like...
They told their staff not to investigate it.
So they knew what they were doing.
dave smith
So, you know, if your concern is that, like, China is gonna propagandize us, I just, like, I go, okay, but, like, this is to justify the regime in Washington, D.C., but then, like, look at who's actually propagandizing our kids.
I mean, like, look at who's actually propagandizing them right now.
It's the public school corporations as well.
tim pool
I got an idea.
dave smith
Some extent.
tim pool
So I think we've talked a lot about the things we don't like, a lot of the problems.
Give me your guys' vision of what America should be.
dave smith
Well, look, I mean, what America should be is, it should be the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.
I mean that as a starting point.
That's what we should have in this country.
It didn't have to be this way, okay?
There was nothing that was written in the stars that everything had to go this way.
And I'm not saying it has to be my utopia, that I want it to be this perfect libertarian anarchist system.
Sure, that would be best.
But I'm just saying we didn't have to respond to 9-11 by starting seven stupid wars and
killing all of these people and passing the Patriot Act and all of this.
We could have just, let's say, we just say, even went into Afghanistan and killed Osama
bin Laden and Toribora when we had him cornered and came home.
The war on terrorism was over by Christmas of 2001.
We could have just not had artificially low interest rates in the early 2000s and blew up this housing bubble and had the financial crisis in 2008.
We could have just not responded to COVID in an insane way.
We could have just had a government who came out and went, you know, there's this upper respiratory virus.
We think if you're at risk, you should probably stay home.
That's our advice to you.
Everyone else, you know, be careful.
Maybe wash your hands.
If you feel sick, stay home.
We could have not tanked the entire economy and printed six trillion dollars in a year and destroyed everything.
So all I'm saying is, like, less of the evil stuff.
We could do a lot less of this.
It doesn't have to be, it's not a choice between what we have now and perfection.
It's that we should always have liberty as like the guiding principle and being very skeptical of what the government does.
That's what we need.
maj toure
And all that comes down to is just scaling back.
I don't need more legislation to do that.
Again, if we're starting from that Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, and letting that be, okay, this is a litmus test.
Is this, hey, if we're giving more and more government, more and more dollars, more and more power, more and more control, 80,000 more IRS agents, how does this get us back to more liberty?
It's a very basic question.
It's a very basic answer.
Nah, I'm not doing it.
Tell me where it says in this that we should be giving this over there.
If that's not the answer, then no, we're not doing it.
dave smith
And I completely agree, and I would just add to that, that like the mission here to me really is that, look, I mean think about like how the massive propaganda campaign to push the COVID lockdowns.
The massive propaganda campaign to push the vaccines, where it's like, you have to hear about this constantly, completely oversold of like, you know, if you get this, you can't possibly get COVID and you can't spread it.
If you question this, you're an anti-vaxxer and all of this.
They use these massive propaganda campaigns because they know how important it is to have the population believing that they have legitimate authority over them and believing that they're doing the right thing.
So I think the mission here is to counter the propaganda.
And to wake people up.
Like you said, the mission isn't to take over the federal government and then, you know, wield power over all of the people and do it in the right way.
The mission here is to wake people up, to realize that what we ought to be striving for is to be very skeptical of all of these authoritarians who promise us that they're doing it for our own good.
If we had a society like that, we'd be in much better shape.
tim pool
Did he convince you?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I've been convinced since the day I met you, bro.
But I've got a lot of concern about the future of the Constitution, because I think going back to what we had 200 years ago might be a mistake that we should make a new global Constitution with American values.
dave smith
A global Constitution?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
The Manila principles is interesting for the internet.
It's like freedom of code as opposed to freedom of speech or in addition to because if you don't know what your software is doing behind the scenes when you're using it, you're being betrayed by your master.
You shouldn't have a master.
You should be the master of your code.
tim pool
The code stuff is a really good point.
Like with Facebook, we don't know how we're being manipulated and we know Facebook experimented on people by showing them depressing Yeah, yeah.
dave smith
I've read about that a little bit.
That is interesting.
tim pool
So I think Ian's 100% right that we need to figure out, I mean, but this could be an amendment to our constitution.
We could write an amendment saying people have a right to know if algorithmic, you know, code is, what the code of
the systems do or are doing.
maj toure
Why would they have to be global though?
ian crossland
I imagine that we're globalizing inevitably regardless.
We're creating the new world order right now.
The World Economic Forum really wants to be a part of it.
And if we fight internally and ignore it, they're going to do it without us, and we'll be there.
But if we are involved in the process, we'll craft it in our image.
That's part of the plan, I think.
dave smith
Yeah, but see, now it smells like you want to take over the global government and use it for good.
Watch out for that.
I don't think they're going to let you at the table.
maj toure
Look in the ring, bro.
The ring changes you.
ian crossland
Exactly.
I don't want a top-down, I want a decentralized organization of states across the world, dude.
And Mars.
tim pool
New vlog idea.
Ian eventually does become president and it corrupts him.
But then, like, it ends with you falling into the lava.
unidentified
You're fighting over your style.
maj toure
No, no.
ian crossland
Lord of the Rings.
unidentified
One small, two bald.
maj toure
I think that in essence, and I'm saying this as a black dude, that my ancestors during
the time when these things were written, that objective stance of going, okay, Declaration
of Independence, fucking Thomas Jefferson's pen was fucking amazing, but he owned humans
at the same time that he wrote it.
So as me going like, yo, there's contradictions here, but what was written was dope.
I think that America, the founders wrote something that was really, really dope.
And I think that if we're going to be exporting shit, you know, all over the place, like, hey, this is what we believe in outside of us just being cool.
Let's export this concept of liberty and holding your so-called public servants.
And even in your country, if you want to emulate this, a few years ago in China, there was certain parts, dudes was waving fucking American flags like, yo, we want the second amendment here type shit.
I think that should be some of our chief export type shit.
And that doesn't mean it has to be globalized.
It just means like, yo, this is what we're doing over here.
We got guns over on this side because we want to keep our government a little bit more honest, you know what I'm saying, and exporting that.
And I don't know if every country is going to emulate that, but I think that will be one of our dope exports to the rest of the world.
dave smith
And even if you look at Martin Luther King and even Malcolm X, I mean, how did they make such strides?
Is that they beat America over the head with their own constitution?
They said, well, look, you said it right here in your own document that you're not allowed to do this to me.
So like it was a powerful example, even if like the founders were hypocrites, particularly on that issue on the issue of slavery and race relations in general.
But just think about it like this.
I mean, imagine if we were just a free country.
And we were much more prosperous and happy and stable than we are now because we have this giant monstrosity of a state.
Imagine the power we could have simply just lecturing and even ridiculing the rest of the world.
And saying to them, imagine the power we could have on the Chinese people by going, look at you guys.
You're impoverished and we're rich because we believe in liberty.
Your communist party is not providing anything to you.
maj toure
You should switch those guys up.
dave smith
Way more effective than if we were the murderers of the world saying we see you as a threat.
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chats.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com, and today we're shouting out Tom McDonald.
He actually texted me.
He said, tell the world what up.
He's agreeing he will also wear a suit if he hits the hot one.
dave smith
I believe, Lydia, I believe we said dress, no?
Was it suit?
unidentified
I can't remember the beginning.
I can't remember the beginning.
dave smith
You're sure?
tim pool
Suit and tie.
dave smith
Maybe I'm misremembering.
Agreed.
tim pool
But, uh, yes, so shout out guys.
Check out his new song, Riot.
It's currently number two trending on YouTube.
It was four when we started, number two now.
dave smith
I want you to play this after the show.
I want you to play the song for me.
tim pool
It's not a super political song, you know?
dave smith
No, I just want to hear the song.
Like, I like music.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
We have this tweet from Dylan Bellew.
What is this?
It said, Smith Ture 2024.
Oh, yeah.
dave smith
What do they mean?
What would we be doing in 2024?
tim pool
Maybe you guys are going to start a small business together?
dave smith
Do you want to do something in 2024 together?
maj toure
Do we do LLC or do we do S-Corp?
dave smith
I've got to talk to my tax guy because it depends on how the revenue comes in, I think.
tim pool
I think for a small business, you guys go LLC and maybe you build model ships.
dave smith
Well, I'll tell you this, how about this, for people who want to see, if let's say you wanted to see, hypothetically, if you wanted to see me and Maj maybe run like let's say a campaign of some sort in 2024, this is what I need.
I need to see everybody join the Libertarian Party.
LP.org slash join.
Sign up right now.
If you guys get in there, if we raise, this is what I say, 20,000 members, if I get 20,000 members into the LP, new members, Then I will start a business with Maj in 2024.
It'll be a liberty-oriented business.
tim pool
So I want to give a shout out to Eric Miller.
He said, Tim, if Tom hits number one, you have to wear a suit on stream.
And that's where the idea basically came from.
So shout out, Eric.
That was your idea.
I really do appreciate it.
And I thought it was a really good idea.
And I'm like, we'll actually film going to get tailored.
Me and Ian will go.
dave smith
I think that's going to be hilarious.
By the way, I'd also say for people who even like, I understand the argument that you're making and even people who are like, listen, if it comes down to Trump, Biden, I got to support Trump.
If you just think that what we're saying here should be like in the conversation.
unidentified
Right.
dave smith
You know what I mean?
That you think like, okay, even if that's the case, you need someone kind of pushing the Republicans to be a little bit better on some of these issues.
Come join the Libertarian Party and support what we're doing.
maj toure
And at what point are you just not going to just be saying, well, it'll never be another third, like the Republican Party was a third party, like at a certain point.
dave smith
That is true.
maj toure
Like at what point are you just going to be like, oh, it'll never happen.
dave smith
As you said, we live in revolutionary times.
tim pool
Right.
The MAGA Party is.
dave smith
It essentially is a third party, right?
Like, Donald Trump was a third party candidate within one of the two parties, right?
tim pool
And then he did it.
dave smith
And Bernie, too, was a third party and just didn't do it.
tim pool
All right.
Christina says, my favorite podcaster.
Shouting out my favorite rapper is so cool.
Can't wait to see when Tom finally comes on the show.
Love y'all and happy Friday.
So this all happened because, you know, we put out a song.
We were, I was shouting it out saying we want to invade the cultural spaces.
And then I was just like, I don't know Tom very well.
I, you know, maybe I've talked to him one time before this, but I was just like, he's a guy who puts out music.
You guys have probably heard his stuff.
I'd imagine, right?
Have you?
dave smith
I'm not sure.
tim pool
I might have.
It's rap.
A lot of it's like, I don't know how to describe it.
ian crossland
Scrap rap.
tim pool
But the lyrics are just so good.
It addresses political and cultural issues.
ian crossland
His voice is like a knife.
It's cool.
tim pool
But the lyrics are really good.
And so I was just like, if you don't want to buy my song because you don't like it, buy his music.
Get him to number one.
We just need to invade these cultural spaces.
And so then when I heard he was putting out a song, I was like, I want to see Tom hit the Billboard charts.
I'm going to shout it out.
dave smith
No, I think that's awesome.
By the way, shout out to Eric July.
I think he's doing that with like in the comic world and the Ripperverse thing.
And his music and stuff too.
I think all that stuff is really like so important.
And talented, actually like really talented guys who are doing it.
maj toure
Like actually good, not just like I'm in alignment with your politics.
tim pool
Get it?
It's basically just if you want to win a culture war, you gotta make culture.
maj toure
To the point, the liberty movement isn't just, because I know we spoke a lot about parties, but when you start changing the mind of people, no one that's listening to this conversation tonight is going to be like, nah, I totally disagree with the vast majority of what they're talking about.
They're gonna be like, nah, you all have conversations, you're like, there's so many fucking rhinos.
Rhinos are everywhere, rhinos, rhinos, rhinos.
Okay, cool, either you're gonna push them to go in this direction, or you're gonna go, let me try this libertarian thing.
Even if it's not the party, I do think that you should join, but at the same time, the overall philosophy and the ideology is gonna lean us in the direction of the Bill of Rights and this overall liberty thing.
dave smith
Yeah, even if you're a Republican, or God forbid, a Democrat, I still push them to be a little bit better.
unidentified
Right.
dave smith
Like that's what we all gotta do.
maj toure
Right.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Kerry Green says, love that shirt.
Make criminals afraid again.
I need one.
Shut up and take my money.
Can people buy that?
maj toure
Yeah, they can go to blackgunsmattershop.com.
It's on a website.
tim pool
Right on.
maj toure
I'll go grab it.
dave smith
Which Black Guns Matter, if you're not familiar, go check them out.
They are real.
They do incredible stuff.
It's such a great thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave smith
Well, you know why it's great?
Because it just attacks the left from the left.
maj toure
Right.
dave smith
Like it makes them feel insecure about their own thing.
unidentified
And then they go like, well, we're the ones who are supposed to care about that.
dave smith
But we have a monopoly on being the ones who care about black people.
maj toure
Yeah, it's brilliant.
It's the funniest thing ever.
It's like telling somebody like, yo, you know, as the black dude, you have the means and
the right to defend your life from bad people.
And it's like, well, even if you think that's all police, okay, if you believe that, all
tim pool
There was a... I'm sorry, I don't want to... No, no.
maj toure
Even if you think it's all police.
You think it's all police and then you're like, yeah, they're killing us.
It's like, well, you can defend your life.
It's like, well, no, guns are bad.
Nah, no, they're not, bro.
You have the human right and the Bill of Rights.
to defend your life.
tim pool
There was a story about some dude who got shot by the cops or whatever.
And then, I can't remember who it was, but he was like white or something.
And then I posted something about how it was ridiculous what this cop did, I can't remember.
And then some lefty responded with, Tim is such a racist, he only cares when white people get
shot, yet he wouldn't want gun rights for black people.
And then I'm just like, what in the...
dave smith
People are insane, dude.
tim pool
I responded, I was like, bro, I want every single Black Panther armed to the teeth with multiple weapons marching down the street right now.
And then he responded, based.
dave smith
Well, dude, here we go.
It's so funny.
People are so binary.
Like they think if you have one take, then you have to have like the other.
Well, so I remember because I was really harsh on all through 2020 on Black Lives Matter and the riots and all of that and being like, this is insane.
First off, just because it's awful that you're like destroying businesses and, you know, killing people and assaulting people and all of this.
And also because you're destroying the credibility for the movement of like holding cops accountable.
Right.
And then when what's his name?
Chauvin got convicted.
I tweeted something and I was like, yeah, good.
He absolutely deserved to get convicted.
and they're like, oh Dave, you're totally backing down on all of your views.
And you're like, wait a minute.
So you think just because I was against rioting and destruction of property,
that I think the guy who kneeled on the dude's neck in huffs on the ground shouldn't go to jail?
Like, no, dude, that guy would lock up some guy for a gun possession charge
and throw him in a cage for 20 years and never lose sleep.
You can go rot in prison.
Like I could care less.
tim pool
My favorite was when you tweeted something about the left is not gonna handle losing very well.
And then someone responded with, here's how your side handles losing.
dave smith
You know who it was?
tim pool
Who was it?
dave smith
It was Bette Midler.
tim pool
She said, no.
dave smith
Bette Midler.
tim pool
It's like, like, she knows who she's talking to.
unidentified
I got Bette Midler talking trash to me on Twitter.
dave smith
It's such a weird world we live in.
My accountant texted me and he goes, is Bette Midler talking shit about you on Twitter?
Yes, yes he is.
unidentified
Now, do we have those tax returns in?
tim pool
You should do.
You should have responded with, OMG, Bette Midler, I'm such a big fan, Hocus Pocus, classic childhood memories.
dave smith
I swear to God, my actual response is not far off from that.
I went, I just made my wife and my daughter and son listen to Wind Beneath Our Wings.
We all danced, which I actually did.
We played it in the house and we all danced.
unidentified
All right.
dave smith
Solid tune.
ian crossland
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
Looks like we got some big fans.
Andrew Brasoul says, It's not just that Dave doesn't lie to your face, like the talking heads in the media.
What makes Dave so great is that he doesn't lie to himself.
lydia smith
I respect it.
dave smith
Oh, well, thank you.
That's nice to say.
I do occasionally, you know.
I'm telling myself, well I'm trying to pump myself up.
ian crossland
It's just manifestation.
tim pool
BB says, I posted a meme today making fun of DC for declaring a state of emergency over the migrant buses.
It was the James Franco first time meme.
FB claimed it was promoting self-harm, removed it, and restricted access.
unidentified
See?
dave smith
That is pretty hilarious.
That was, that was a pretty great like real life troll sending the immigrants into DC.
I gotta say, I enjoy it.
tim pool
Harold Wiley says, just purchased Tom McDonald's song.
If Brett has to bleach his hair, Tim can wear a suit.
So, Pop Culture Crisis, which is one of the shows we have here at Timcast, hosted by Brett and Mary.
They had a bit that, I don't know how it came up, but that if they hit 15 crisis parties, Brett would bleach his hair.
And a crisis party is every hundred dollars in Super Chats, these lights go off.
So every time there's a Super Chat, money guns shoot money at everybody.
And then once $100 is reached, there's a party where the lights go off, and it plays a noise, and then the money guns go crazy.
And so they said if they get 15 of those in one show, Breast of Bleach is here, they got 26.
That means that's $2,600 in Super Chat.
So now my brother went out to pick up pizzas, and then he came back and like, here's the sauce, and in the bag is bleach, is air dye.
So I agreed.
If Tom McDonald, hey look, Hot 100 number one is not an easy feat.
maj toure
No.
dave smith
No, not at all.
tim pool
I think you need to sell like a hundred or more thousand singles.
maj toure
He's independent?
tim pool
Yep.
So not only that, but the problem is it's kind of rigged because they're probably going to pull some BS where they're like, well, you know, that one doesn't count.
ian crossland
They want to see you in a suit though.
You're good.
maj toure
No, he means like billboard.
You mean like Billboard?
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
Yeah, so one of the things that happened to Tom is he sold more albums than anybody else, and they told him his numbers didn't count and didn't put him on the list or something.
maj toure
Because of what?
How did they play that?
tim pool
So, you have to watch, he did two videos talking about how it went down, and so I don't know the exact nuance of it, but they were saying things like, what's your UPC code?
We don't believe these numbers, so we're not going to accept them, but it's complicated.
Basically, people traditionally would report like, hey, here are the total sales we had.
maj toure
Yeah, SoundScan.
tim pool
yeah yeah and then apparently they didn't buy it and so there's weird issues because like based on how many views he gets he's number two trending on youtube right now this song should be billboard hot 100 right but for some reason like let's see so it's the song came out today Uh, not next week, but the following Tuesday is when they'll release the chart for this reporting period.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And we'll, you know, everybody's got to buy his song, but I'm going to be shouting out Tom all week because I just want to, I want to force these people that want to, you're going to love this.
So we have a communications company.
They do PR stuff for us and we have, we have a song, we put it out.
One of the responses to it was like, Hey, Tim Pool has released a song like it's available here.
It's the first release in the new program, Tim Kess Records.
The response was the COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective and is an effective treatment for reducing the severity of COVID.
And that's all they said.
And that was it.
And it was just like.
Are they saying they're not gonna?
I don't know.
Why are they emailing us that?
But that's how crazy it is.
It's a weird cult.
And then, you know, Tom was like, is your song about the vaccine?
And I was like, bro, it's a love and pain song.
It's just like generic rock music.
maj toure
And that's the point.
Now, that's the overcorrection that the general public in the middle sees and goes, nah, that's bullshit.
Even if they disagree with you, the vast majority of people will go, nah, but that's kind of fucked up.
dave smith
Well, do you look, you look at the numbers of, um, I forget the exact numbers, but it's, um, of who, of the, the adult percentage of Americans who were, uh, double vaccinated with the first round, I think it was 70 something percent.
And then who got their boosters was half that.
So you see, there's a whole lot of people, even of the people who like went along with it at the beginning, who are starting to kind of see, they're like, Nah, I'm not gonna keep doing this.
maj toure
Yo, you can see it at the airport!
At the airport, when it was everybody had to, and I kept getting kicked out of airports and airplanes, right?
unidentified
That's why we bought the RV, because that was like... They wouldn't let you fly without the mask.
maj toure
We went to the airport and they're like, yeah, you can't get on our airline.
tim pool
But this is the crazy thing.
maj toure
But now you see those people, now that there's no mandate... It's like 80%, 90% not wearing the mask.
Nobody's wearing it.
tim pool
But look, this is the crazy thing.
They email me that.
So I was talking to Tom earlier, not that long ago actually, a few hours ago, and I was like, not only is the song not about any of this, but my position the entire time on vaccines was, it's good that Trump got it out, it's good that Biden sped up the timeline for it, and it's up to you to talk to your doctor to figure out what makes sense for you and your health conditions.
That's been my position the entire time.
dave smith
Just go talk to your doctor.
Oh yeah, they don't care.
maj toure
It doesn't matter.
tim pool
But telling people to talk to their doctor about what's right for them is considered anti-vax.
maj toure
No, you did two things.
You fucked up two out of three.
One, you said, talk to your doctor.
Get an actual medical professional's perspective.
You didn't just run with, fuck you if you don't take this.
That was strike one.
Doesn't matter.
And your second strike was, you said, and I disagree with it, when you said, Trump got it out fast.
You were giving Trump some credit for some shit that I don't even, I'm like, yo, he could've just been like, yo, whatever.
Point being is, two out of three, fuck you, and you're emailing us about your song, COVID vaccines are fucking safe and effective, and don't you dare question the fucking narrative.
Do you think you're fucking Tim Pool or some shit?
tim pool
You have to be 100% standing behind them or on your knees for them.
Any kind of like, I see what you're saying, you know, no, no, no, you don't see what I'm saying.
Tell me I'm right or else.
dave smith
That was so much of what their problem with Trump was.
Is that even when he continued the wars and continued the empire, he didn't tell everyone that he believed in it.
Like he'd always kind of be like, but I don't really believe in it.
Like I don't really think we should be doing this.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got Carnal says, shout out to the TimCast crew, Dave Smith and Big Daddy Touré.
Maj, happy to hear that you got your RV back.
Big ups to you, the work you do, and your solutionaries.
Good people are looking out for you.
Let's hit that GoFundMe goal.
maj toure
Did y'all hear about that?
ian crossland
No.
maj toure
So my RV got stole yesterday.
unidentified
Oh no.
dave smith
Wait, really?
maj toure
Yeah.
unidentified
Holy crap.
dave smith
They picked the wrong person to steal an RV from.
maj toure
What kind of RV is it?
tim pool
Which class?
maj toure
Class A. Nice.
Thor Challenger.
Beautiful.
Flash, because this is when I kept getting kicked off of planes.
We got the RV.
We're going to do the classes all over the country.
We're not shutting down.
We're going everywhere, da, da, da, da.
Still doing it.
So it's gearing up for the wintertime.
So we're like, all right, since we're getting back on planes, because people aren't afraid anymore, we're going to use the RV when we're not doing classes regionally.
If you're homeless, if you need a place, if you're arguing, you and your girl going through it, you need a hot meal.
It went cold in Philly.
We're gearing up for that.
Go check on the RV.
It's gone.
Like, gone.
And I'm like, what the fuck?
And I'm thinking, okay, the city told it.
And so I start chasing this process of, you know, the city's like, yo, we don't have it, but they could have it and not have put your tags in or whatever.
So I'm like, yo, I think somebody stole it.
So I go to the precinct and they're like, yo, if someone said it was abandoned, which I don't know why they would, it's a $200,000 RV.
We didn't pay $200,000 for it, but we bought it used.
But if someone says it's abandoned, the police will tow it, not the parking authority for tickets.
So he says, well, if it's not in their system, come back tomorrow.
We'll find out.
Because if you report it stolen now, if we don't know if it's community people took it, it's going to be harder to get it out.
Do that.
I do a live saying, man, these fucking leeches, I hate y'all, y'all steal my, you know, I'll go on live at seven o'clock and I'll talk about it.
I'm on the live talking about this RV and a dude's trying to tap into the live and he's like, dude, I think I'm looking at your RV right now.
dave smith
Really?
maj toure
No bullshit.
And I'm like, I'm thinking, all right, he might be a troll.
And a couple of other people's like, yo, man, man is in your live right now is saying he's DMing you his number.
He thinks he he's found your fucking RV.
So I go into live with him.
And sure enough, he's like, yo, it's around the corner from my shop.
He's walking up there.
They busted the back windows.
The slides were out.
There was a spare key in there, they drove it to a whole nother part of town, they fucked up the entire side of it, smashed the window, rifled through the hole inside, but they never closed the side, the slides.
tim pool
They were driving with the sides out?
maj toure
They were driving with the sides out and just dumped it.
And so this dude, he DM'd me his number and his address and I drove up there.
So literally, one of the solutionaries on the live found my RV.
dave smith
Solutionaries are better than cops.
There you go.
maj toure
Yo, legit.
And so, um, it's going to be like, I mean, we got insurance, but it's going to be like.
unidentified
Insurance, like, everybody's like, you've got insurance, so it's cool.
maj toure
I'm like, nah, but it's not as cool.
dave smith
A lot of people go like, oh, you have insurance, no problem.
You have house insurance?
Just light your house on fire right now, right?
maj toure
And see if they're going to come back with the three million.
dave smith
That wouldn't inconvenience you at all, right?
tim pool
Right.
We'll grab this one.
We got Boris Kovfefevich says, the problem with the Libertarian Party is the Ross Perot problem.
They will be used and sponsored by the left to destroy the right via division.
Been there, seen that, never again.
dave smith
Yeah, sorry dude, but it's like now we got a whole new group of people who are a lot more savvy than that and that's what I was telling you about before, where we're going to be like, what we're going to be doing is pulling the right to be better on the issues they're supposed to be good on and destroying the neocon rhino, whatever you want to call them.
tim pool
Did you see the tweet from the guy who said, Liz Cheney should run as a libertarian to take votes from Trump?
dave smith
Liz Cheney, if you're listening, please, please, I'm not even kidding, I'm on my knees begging you, enter my party and try, try to take this from me, Liz Cheney.
Please, get up on stage in front of my people and see what happens to you.
See what happens when you have to debate me, Liz Cheney.
tim pool
Somebody tweeted that in response to some tweet about Liz Cheney losing, and then they were like, she should run as a libertarian, take those votes from Trump.
And I was like, she's the antithesis of the libertarian party.
dave smith
Listen, you have no idea what's up.
And by the way, look, Ross Perot did cost the Republican the election, I guess you could argue.
But who did he cost?
George Herbert Walker Bush?
That's who you're trying to preserve?
unidentified
Right.
dave smith
Like that would have been any better and our country would be in any better shape?
No, look, you know who the Libertarians won't be able to steal the election from?
A Republican who's good on liberty.
Right.
So, get better on liberty.
That's true.
And then you'll be insulated against us.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
This is a big one.
I need to stop watching YouTube says, 7-Eleven was a part-time job.
unidentified
That's a great one.
dave smith
Oh man, that's really good.
tim pool
That's a good one.
Troy Dunham says, Dave, ever since you asked what would my presidential campaign slogan be on POTP, your comment section posts, quote, we need to roll back the state.
What do you think would look great on hats and t-shirts?
dave smith
I'll consider it.
unidentified
We need to roll back the state.
tim pool
Seth Houser says ranked choice voting will always give Democrats the win.
How does that make sense?
maj toure
Wait, I don't get how he says that.
tim pool
Yeah, so here's what happens.
dave smith
I'd have to hear that explained to me.
tim pool
In Alaska, they have ranked choice.
Sarah Palin runs.
There's a Republican and a Democrat.
Ranked choice happens.
60% of the vote was Republican, but the Democrat won the special election.
dave smith
Oh, okay.
But that just as easily could go the other way now.
tim pool
Yes.
I think the issue, though, is the risk is that Republicans are less likely to understand a new system was put in place.
Democrats are great at organizing.
So they're going to make sure all of their voters know to vote.
You got to vote.
First choice, second choice, third choice.
A lot of Republicans probably just went one and done.
And then when their person didn't win, they got nuked and the Democrat ended up winning.
dave smith
Okay, so that is an interesting argument.
I think there's no question that Democrats, by the nature of being Democrats, are always going to be more, you know, kind of aware of the democratic process.
So, there is an interesting argument to that.
I've never really considered that before.
So, fair.
I'll have to think about that.
tim pool
Chaser90EK says, this week my family bar closed.
It opened in 1926 and we thought we'd celebrate 100 years, but sadly McGeehans in Northeast Philly couldn't survive the COVID policies and spike in crime.
Thanks Mayor Kenny and DA Krasner.
Ah man, that breaks my heart to hear.
dave smith
Yeah, it's horrible.
And I'll tell you, I know, like, I'm from New York City, born and raised, and there are spots that I know, you know, like a lot of, a huge percentage of businesses closed and didn't make it through the lockdowns, and I know that these ones, there's like a few that just, like, there was this Chinese restaurant that was like a family-owned Chinese restaurant for, I think, they must have been at least 20 or 30 years old, and they were on the corner of 78th and Broadway, Which is across from Stand-Up New York Comedy Club, which is where I started doing stand-up comedy.
And they were like the spot that I used to go to, like all the comics used to go to after the comedy shows.
And then I lived around the corner from them for years.
And we used to go there all the time.
And they closed during that.
And there's just one that I'm bringing up, but it's just... Yeah, it's heartbreaking, man.
That whole family business just destroyed over these insane...
maj toure
I think it's important for people to remember this though.
Like, because this is, okay, it may not be COVID, right?
The next go around.
It may be climate change, whatever it is, right?
I think it's important for people to remember that and go, no, fuck you.
Because we gave you the two weeks to fucking slow the spread and it turned into fucking our business, a hundred year damn near business, not being here anymore.
You know what I mean?
So I think that part's very important.
tim pool
Infinite Will says, if the Libertarian Party runs on abolishing the IRS, I'll vote for you.
That would be the best way of scaling back the federal government anyway.
dave smith
Um, I mean, we- Day one.
Yes, abolish the IRS.
tim pool
It's an executive order, right?
What created the IRS?
Was it legislation?
dave smith
Yeah, well, the income tax was through a constitutional amendment, but I'd have to think about the actual, the Internal Revenues Service.
tim pool
The question is, what authority does the president have and what can they do?
dave smith
Well, but look, I mean, I don't even think that's really the important question because it's not as if, like, look, if you're going down the hypothetical in your mind where the Libertarian candidate, whoever that may be, wins the presidency, then the only thing that's happened in that scenario is not that the Libertarian candidate won the presidency.
There's been a major shift in the way tens of millions of Americans are thinking about this.
And so your guess is that It's not just that one thing that happened, but so you'd need this mass movement being opposed to it.
But absolutely, I mean, the IRS is just a disgusting—like, you know, all the stuff you talk about with China, like your worst fear of China—let's say we lived in a free society, and your worst fear of China invading and taking over the country would be that they would install the Internal Revenue Service, right?
Like, that'd be your worst nightmare, that they'd come in and institute this organization which dictates that it's a crime to work.
It's a crime to produce.
And the punishment will be a fee, and you'll have no Fifth Amendment protection.
You have to incriminate yourself, and we'll throw you in jail if you don't pay your fee.
tim pool
I got a better idea.
I got a better idea.
dave smith
Abolish the IRS tomorrow!
tim pool
The first thing is that you should do is that all of all of these IRS field agents they got to talk like this and they got to show up with leather jackets and crowbars and they have to they have to insist that they're asking for protection money.
dave smith
That is not bad.
tim pool
Maybe help people understand kind of what's going down right now.
dave smith
The state is the mafia masquerading as a human rights organization.
ian crossland
It looks like it was Abe Lincoln in 1862.
He spun up the Commission for Internal Revenue.
dave smith
Well, that was the first income tax.
But then it went away after the Civil War.
That's right.
So Lincoln instituted an income tax during the Civil War, and then it went away.
And then it was Woodrow Wilson in 1914, I want to say, when it came back.
ian crossland
Oh, it was 1894.
The Supreme Court declared the income tax of 1894 unconstitutional.
unidentified
Wow.
dave smith
And then, am I right?
1914, I believe, is when it came back.
unidentified
Dick.
Horrible.
tim pool
Would you agree?
Woodrow Wilson?
Dick?
dave smith
Woodrow Wilson is the worst president in the history of the United States.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Even worse than Joe Biden?
maj toure
Yes.
dave smith
Yes.
Far worse.
unidentified
Far worse.
dave smith
I mean, as of so far, I mean, Joe Biden's very bad, but Woodrow Wilson gave us the Federal Reserve, the IRS, and World War I, which, as I said before, led to the rise of the Nazis and the Commies.
He ruined everything.
ian crossland
Really, the Treaty of Versailles really did make the Nazi party... Oh, no question, yeah.
dave smith
And also, the mix of the Treaty of Versailles and the Federal Reserve, which created the boom and then the bust, leading to the Great Depression, which is what called in all the German loans and destroyed the German economy.
I mean, it was all... Woodrow Wilson ruined the 20th century.
tim pool
All right, we'll grab just one more here, or maybe one or two more.
Generally Irritable says, just hosted an event on public safety and saw a Black Guns Matter shirt.
Dave, help a fellow libertarian on the campaign trail.
Vermont candidate.
Reddickforcongress.com.
Tell James Lindsay I said hi.
dave smith
James Lindsay.
I don't know James Lindsay.
We will.
I'll tell him you said hi.
I've messaged with him a few times on Twitter when he was on there.
tim pool
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, and also, before you go...
In the description below, we've got a link to Tom MacDonald's song, Riot.
We're big fans.
We're supporting him.
We want to see him hit the charts, and we want to see the music that he produces, the ideas that he brings, and the influence he has start resonating more in the cultural spaces.
Of course, we're going to be putting out new music in the next couple weeks, like we did with the last song.
For the time being, we don't have one.
We're going to shout out Tom MacDonald.
He's currently trending number two, so give him your love with his new song, Riot.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
You can follow me at TimCast.
You want to shout anything out, Maj?
maj toure
Be kind to each other.
Go.
Look into the Libertarian Party.
You should really, really, really look into it.
Especially if you live in any urban city in America, you absolutely should be looking into it.
The work, man.
Support the classes.
You know, giftsandgo.com forward slash solutionary.
Help us, like, repair this damn RV, man.
And, like, put these classes together.
The center that we have in Philadelphia is really, in essence, basically it's a big classroom space.
We're doing classes on like trades, skill, I mean obviously we're not doing welding in the building, but you know, like trades and stuff like that.
Conflict resolution, firearms training, and stuff like that.
And all of the classes are completely free to all based on voluntary donations.
So, give10go.com forward slash solutionary.
dave smith
Hell yeah.
Well, thank you guys so much for having me, and thanks for having both me and Maja on this one.
I was hyped to do this with both of us.
ComicDaveSmith.com is a website, at ComicDaveSmith on Twitter.
Yeah, that's all.
Michael Malice for Press Secretary.
tim pool
We're there for that.
ian crossland
It's happening now.
Ian Crossland, iancrossland.net.
Catch me on socials.
Love you guys.
Thank you for coming.
See you guys later.
lydia smith
Thank you guys very much for tuning in on your Friday nights with us.
Thank you for chilling with us for sure.
Thank you Dave and Maj for coming.
You guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com as Sour Patchlets as well as SourPatchlets.me.
tim pool
We will see you all next week, Monday.
But also check out Cast Castle and other shows at TimCast.com and we'll see you all next time.
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