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Timcast IRL - EU "Flattens Curve" By Limiting Electricity, Riots Erupt Over Energy w/Amala Ekpunobi
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amala ekpunobi
18:21
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hannah claire brimelow
19:52
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ian crossland
14:44
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tim pool
01:07:54
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lydia smith
03:46
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unidentified
you you
you I heard something funny.
tim pool
The EU needs to flatten the curve.
So they're limiting electricity, which is what?
Yeah.
And then when I heard them say they were flattening the curve by doing this, I'm like, oh, so that whole thing was like training people.
And then when you look at how things are going with, you know, the cult.
And how they follow the media, it's like, yeah, people are trained.
They are.
And then I started thinking about this.
I'm like, if they're reusing this terminology in a new way to reduce energy, this was completely predicted by tons of people.
That the next move was going to be locking down for climate change.
And lo and behold, we're getting something akin to that.
Surprise, surprise, ladies and gentlemen, we're in the Rat Hope experiment.
They put us in the cylinder, we swam and struggled, they took us out, dried us off, put it back in, now they expect us to swim twice as long.
I think, I think it's gonna get a whole lot worse.
The only difference between the Rat Hope experiment and what we're going through is that we have an election coming up, and we might get new leaders who say no to all of this, so it should be interesting.
So we're gonna talk about that, plus the riots and protests that are erupting because of the energy crisis.
California facing rolling blackouts, well, good for them.
Gavin Newsom was seen wearing a sweater amid a record heat wave, and a lot of people were like, what is he doing?
Yeah, he's probably blasting the AC while telling you to suffer.
Ain't that how it works?
And then we have this story.
AOC gave an interview where she said she doesn't know if she'll be alive by September.
Now, of course, she gave the interview a little while ago, so I don't know why she thought by now she'd be dead.
I'm glad she's not.
You know, I hope she lives a long and prosperous life.
But I have to wonder, first, does she have cancer?
And then I thought, oh, she's talking about, like, civil war or something.
Ah, drink.
Yeah, she's talking about something like that, I guess.
Patriarchy and how people hate women of color, and then she thought she'd be dead by now.
So either they're completely overreacting, or you look at everything that's going on and it's kind of falling apart.
So we're going to talk about that and more.
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Joining us to talk about all of this is Amala Epinobi.
Did I get it?
unidentified
You got it right.
I got it!
You got it totally right.
I was like, I'm gonna ruin it.
amala ekpunobi
You're one of the first people to actually get my name right on the first try.
tim pool
I was worried.
amala ekpunobi
Great job.
tim pool
Thank you.
I feel good.
ian crossland
The K is silent.
amala ekpunobi
The K is silent, that's the tricky part.
tim pool
Who are you?
amala ekpunobi
I am Amala Penobe, 22 years old.
I'm currently working over at PragerU as a personality, whatever that means.
You guys can decide whether or not I actually have one.
Talent, yes!
And I am a recent radical leftist who's sort of left the left and on sort of the other side of things now.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
If you want, you can move that mic around with you and just keep it like about this aiming right at your face.
amala ekpunobi
Beautiful.
unidentified
Yeah.
amala ekpunobi
Got it.
ian crossland
Momentous.
amala ekpunobi
Beautiful.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I feel like I work on a spaceship sometimes.
unidentified
We're having audio.
lydia smith
Yeah, we're checking the audio right now.
tim pool
So worries just what happened was the digital gain was erased.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
unidentified
So that's why those audio problems, digital gain, digital gain, like a band name.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like I work on a spaceship sometimes.
I know what any of this means.
lydia smith
It's exciting.
ian crossland
Tell me about yourself.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
It's a super cool news site.
I think everyone should check it out every day.
ian crossland
What kind of things do you write?
hannah claire brimelow
I write all kinds of things.
I was talking about Michigan's abortion ban today, or the judge's ruling on their abortion law.
I wrote about Vladimir Putin earlier today.
Always interesting.
Yeah, we cover a lot of stuff.
Lots of science, lots of policy.
And I, again, highly recommend TimCast.com to absolutely everyone.
lydia smith
There you go.
unidentified
All right.
ian crossland
Well, hey, I'm Ian Crossland.
Good to see you guys.
Amala, great to meet you.
unidentified
Good to be here.
ian crossland
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lydia smith
That's right, I'm very excited for all this new stuff coming out.
We're going to be adjusting the audio as we go on the fly, like we do.
I'm stoked to get in today's story, so if we're ready to go, are we ready?
tim pool
All right, check out this first story from TimCast.com.
EU to impose mandatory electricity cuts to flatten the curve, reduce peak energy demands.
European Commission head announces Russian price gaps as Putin threatens to cut Europe off from all energy deliveries.
The European Union has announced plans for mandatory electricity rationing, with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen telling reporters the EU must flatten the curve of peak energy prices.
Her announcement highlighted a five-point plan the EU is preparing to enact to address local energy markets.
Europe has faced an energy crisis following Russia cutting off supplies of natural gas.
The funny thing is, Russia's now selling gas to China, who's driving it all the way back to Europe and cranking up the cost.
And now people are looking at like 500% energy increases.
Italy, you've got bars and restaurants with candles.
And when you look over at California, And they're doing the exact same thing.
It kind of feels like what's happening there is going to happen here, and we're just a little bit behind.
But I know, Amala, you live in California, right?
How's that?
amala ekpunobi
Unfortunately, I do live in Los Angeles.
So last night I was chilling in my apartment and got a notification that says, you know, due to our overwhelmed electrical grid, your electricity might go out at any moment.
And you're going to have to deal with that for an hour or two.
We'll rotate it across our different circuits.
And welcome to the New World Order here.
ian crossland
But it didn't, your power didn't go out?
amala ekpunobi
It didn't end up going out, but I guess they're putting out warnings that through this continuous heatwave that we're going through right now, that there's a very good possibility that it's going to happen.
And in other regions of California, they're doing those rotating brownouts.
tim pool
You saw Gavin Newsom though, right?
amala ekpunobi
Yes, I did.
tim pool
He was wearing a fleece sweater.
unidentified
That was awesome.
It's cold, Tim!
lydia smith
Yeah, it's cold, okay.
tim pool
Maybe he's like a, you know, it could be that he's a lizard person, you know, and then it's like, it may be hot, but yes, he still needs to ignite when the sun goes down.
unidentified
He's got like really crazy tattoos of late and he has to hide them.
tim pool
He rips his sleeves off and he's just got...
Sleeves.
ian crossland
Yeah, so it's basically after 4 p.m.
I heard Gavin doing did a video.
Maybe this is a video you're referencing after 4 p.m That's like hot time.
That's like peak peak electricity.
amala ekpunobi
You turn off your what everything except for your large appliances Yeah, they're saying basically try not to use a see if you can help it cool your house or your apartment beforehand Don't turn on any larger or major appliances anything like that and certainly don't charge your electric cars even though we're gonna start banning gas vehicles in the coming years and Have you heard of passive cooling?
ian crossland
Have you ever studied any of that stuff?
unidentified
No, I haven't.
ian crossland
They make, like, these, uh, I don't know if they're made out of wood or out of cork, and then they'll, like, make all these little, like, cuts through the cork, and then you just pour water into the cork, and then through—it only works in really dry environments, but through, um, I don't know what the— Evaporation.
Yeah, evaporation.
It cools down the room by, like, 10 to 15 degrees.
It absorbs—the water absorbs the heat from the atmosphere to— It'll get you from like 105 to 90, maybe.
You know, it's for desperate, hot, dry climates.
amala ekpunobi
Does this fit in a studio apartment?
ian crossland
Definitely, yeah.
unidentified
It's a little box.
ian crossland
You could probably make one from cardboard.
tim pool
I don't even know.
Low energy evaporation air conditioners.
You fill them with water and then it basically... Yep, recently just bought one of those.
amala ekpunobi
Although I don't know after 4 p.m.
if we can even have those on.
tim pool
You know, here's a question.
Why don't you leave Los Angeles?
amala ekpunobi
Oh, you're getting into tricky territory here.
So I do work for PragerU.
We're headquartered in Los Angeles.
tim pool
It's Dennis' fault.
amala ekpunobi
You know, Dennis, who you had on the show, he's like, I am not leaving California.
He's like, I'm perfectly fine being in California.
And I get it.
hannah claire brimelow
He's also wearing a sweater.
amala ekpunobi
He's good to go.
Dennis is chillin'.
Dennis is chillin'.
And yeah, you know, I will say that being in the heart of all the problems does really get you invigorated every day to be in the fight.
You know, when you're walking out of your apartment and a homeless man screams obscenities at you, you're ready to work every single day.
tim pool
That's fair.
You gotta learn self-defense.
You've also got to learn, you know, tactical poop cleanup.
You never know if you're gonna step in it.
amala ekpunobi
I'm 120 pounds soaking wet, so self-defense is something I need to work on, 100%.
ian crossland
Yeah, jiu-jitsu.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Where were you before L.A.?
amala ekpunobi
Florida.
unidentified
What?
amala ekpunobi
Why did you do that?
You know what?
I like to think I thought it through.
It was a fantastic opportunity.
I love my job so much, so it's totally worth it.
Don't get me wrong, but leaving the freedom state of Florida to go to L.A., which has just been disintegrating in front of my eyes, has been an interesting experience.
tim pool
You're on the front lines.
amala ekpunobi
On the front lines!
tim pool
You left the comfort.
I'm just imagining you, you're at home in Florida and you tell your family and you like salute them and you're like, I'm going to the front lines.
ian crossland
And they're like, dude, you're crazy!
tim pool
And you're like, I'm going.
And then you go to California where it's really bad.
amala ekpunobi
Which it's hilarious because my mom is a super radical left-leaning person so she would love to have switched from Florida to move over to Los Angeles and we've sort of taken our opposite path.
tim pool
Your mom is radical left?
hannah claire brimelow
Because you said you were too, right?
amala ekpunobi
I was too, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
So did you appreciate Florida while you were there?
No.
Or were you like, this place is awful?
amala ekpunobi
I was like, I hate this place.
tim pool
Did you get like hit in the head with a turtle shell or something and it just
knocked sense into you or what happened?
amala ekpunobi
You know what? So I grew up, my mom works for the political left.
Hi mom, she's not watching.
But hi mom, definitely not watching.
So I grew up with her influence and I was constantly told about the oppression that I was going to face living in America.
She happens to be white.
So she was telling me about like, you know, you're black.
It's going to be a little bit difficult for you.
Things are going to be hard.
And I totally fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Graduated high school, started working as a youth organizer and door knocking and telling people who they needed to vote for.
I worked on the Andrew Gillum campaign in Florida.
Yeah, we all know how that turned out.
Like, luckily, my efforts went unnoticed on that and eventually just recognized so much hypocrisy that I had to leave and started looking at other views.
ian crossland
What made you realize, like, what was the moment that you realized something?
amala ekpunobi
Yeah, so I grew up with my white family and I was constantly going to work and hearing about how awful white people were and there were several instances where it was just the most blatant racist rhetoric you could hear regarding somebody all towards white people and I would go and work on these projects and then go home to my white family that had taken care of me my entire life.
And I eventually confronted one of the VPs at the organization and said, I don't get it, man.
We said we're tolerant.
We said we're anti-racist.
We're literally working on these like critical race theory initiatives.
And he basically told me, you don't know how oppressed you are.
And that's not my fault.
tim pool
So is like half your family black, half your family white?
amala ekpunobi
Yes.
tim pool
I wonder, because I have a similar experience.
I come from a mixed-mixed race family, so I'm a quarter Asian, and my experience was similar in that I go out and I hear these lefties saying things like, white people are bad, and I'm like, hey, wait a minute, like, I got white family and not white family, and I'm pretty sure you're full of shh, you know what I mean?
lydia smith
Ish, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, like, and then what I end up actually seeing growing up Is the policies they put in place they claim help racism actually just end up hurting my family.
And my family was the epitome of like opposing racism.
lydia smith
Right.
amala ekpunobi
A hundred percent.
I went through the exact same experience.
I actually grew up in a really rural, conservative, small town.
Never truly experienced an ounce of racism in my life, but was so dedicated to the idea that I was oppressed in this country that I like fought people about it.
And I basically labeled myself as a victim and went around the world telling everybody about how victimized I was.
tim pool
So when you go to your family and you're like, hey, I don't believe this stuff, because like, you know, we're a mixed family and clearly the white people in my family are good people.
This is not true.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah.
Well, so my mom and dad got divorced when I was six.
So I was basically just with my mother's influence.
And I went to her and I was like, hey, mom, I think I might be a little conservative.
And she hated it.
hannah claire brimelow
What's the liberal equivalent of sprinkling you with holy water?
amala ekpunobi
She's like, what can I do to stop this from happening?
Because I was like her little protege in a lot of ways, working at the same organization she was working for.
So, you know, her head blew through the roof.
And we went through months of just contentious arguments over all these different subject matters.
And eventually she was like, okay, this is my daughter.
I think she's pretty strong willed about what she believes right now.
And I'm just gonna leave it alone.
Maybe we don't talk politics.
ian crossland
Yeah, I went through something similar with my mom and I realized after like five or six years that it was more about the tone that we were communicating.
It was more about, you know, less about trying to be right or just listening.
tim pool
Ian Redfield is my mom.
ian crossland
Yeah, but it took 12 years and it was like we almost, our relationship almost ended and she got really sick from stress.
Like it was horrible.
When you go at it and you're like obsessed with trying to convince someone, they can get really, really ill.
It can really hurt people.
So the best is just to exist and listen.
tim pool
The cult is scary.
amala ekpunobi
I agree.
Yeah, I realized that just through living my life with my values, I think it would sort of influence her a little bit.
Like, she's now come around and said, you know what?
I think I'm comfortable being friends with people who are conservative.
Which, for her, it's a big, big step.
I mean, when I say she's radical leftist, I mean as far left as you could possibly be.
So yeah.
tim pool
But like, authoritarian or libertarian?
amala ekpunobi
Authoritarian.
tim pool
Because, like, the libertarian left, in my opinion, doesn't really exist.
Like, they do, but it's such an impossible political standard that most people on the left abandon it, but then claim their libertarian left to try and win votes so that it can then enslave you, you know what I mean?
amala ekpunobi
Yeah, I mean, with all the policing you want to do of people's speech and how they act and what they do, it's hard not to be authoritarian in that sense.
tim pool
Do you know political compass memes?
There's like a couple different pages.
unidentified
Oh, is it like the little test that you take that puts you on the chart?
tim pool
Yeah, the memes are hilarious.
And it's like one of the one place on the internet where they actually understand what the political compass actually means.
And you'll actually see like the left and the right arguing each other but laughing at these jokes.
And I did a I did a mini rant once where I said, Woke people are not libertarian left.
Every single time people come out and talk about Antifa or something, they claim it's libertarian left.
And I'm like, dude, it is not libertarian to go around bashing people over the skull, demanding they live the way they want you to live.
That's authoritarian left.
Libertarian left is like hippies living on a farm being like, you want to share this watermelon with me, dude?
The problem is supporting that is extremely difficult and it doesn't scale very well.
But the political compass memes people were like, Tim is correct.
And they put my face on the liberal left quadrant arguing why Antifa and woke people are not libertarian left.
And everybody agreed.
Like all these different people were like, yeah, that's that's literally like woke people are authoritarian commie socialist types.
amala ekpunobi
Right as soon as you start trying to impose your worldview on anybody you can't call yourself a libertarian, right?
tim pool
That's why I was really funny when Was it Jorgensen the libertarian candidate said?
Yeah, Joe Jorgen said it's not enough to not be racist.
We must be actively anti-racist But I was like the libertarian candidate telling people what they must do is deliciously ironic.
ian crossland
What is the libertarian version of wokeness?
tim pool
Well, wokeness is ideological.
If you were woke and you were libertarian, you'd say something like, you know, I think, you know, critical race theory and these things are good.
How can we, you know, work with each other on trying to implement what I agree with?
And then they say, I disagree with you.
And it's like, oh, okay, well, we disagree.
Let's figure out how to live together.
See, I totally get along with those people.
I met a communist guy.
I was in Berkeley.
He denounced Antifa.
He said, the violence is wrong.
They shouldn't be doing that.
He's like, true communism would be us living together, working together.
And I was like, oh, we're friends.
I was like, bro, you can be a communist.
I don't care as long as you're not bashing people over the skull, you know?
amala ekpunobi
And it really is as simple as that.
And they think we're far worse than that.
They make us out to be these horrible villains.
But really, I'm like, you can believe whatever you want to believe.
Just please don't come into my territory and impose it on me.
tim pool
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
But that's how a lot of woke ideology works.
It needs compliance and it needs you to agree to be a part of it.
If anyone questions it, then their system is broken.
Yep.
And that's unacceptable.
tim pool
That's what I love about like this weird world where the mainstream corporate press calls every single person far right or right wing.
And it's like, it's just so weird that every single ideological viewpoint is right wing.
Like all of them.
If you're a communist and you're woke, you're left.
But if you're a communist and you're not woke, you're far-right.
If you're a socialist and you're anti-corporate, you're far-right.
Jimmy Dore, who's like a socialist, is right-wing.
That one blew my mind.
I'm like, okay, y'all jump.
Look, you want to come at me and say Tim Pool's right-wing or whatever, I'll bet you can make an argument about center-right or something, even though I'm like in the middle.
But Jimmy Dore, He's like, universal health care and like all these other left policies.
But then he goes, the Democrats and the Republicans are corporatists who are selling you out.
He's far right.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
But they just move the center to a place where they're like, look, all the way over there is extreme far right.
Whereas it wouldn't have been, you know, a decade ago, two decades ago.
We just migrated it so far that we don't understand where the middle is at all.
tim pool
We just gotta ignore them.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was thinking that.
hannah claire brimelow
I love that idea.
ian crossland
The buzzwords.
Kind of let the buzzwords flow through you.
The alt, the left, the right, the authoritarian, the libertarian.
You don't fall into a group.
We're not putting you in a holding cell right now because of what label we slapped on your chest.
That stuff's not relevant in humanity.
Jimmy's a great example of that because he talks so much, you see the intricacies of who he is.
He's way all over the place.
He believes what he believes.
tim pool
Jimmy is left.
I just think we have to ignore what the cult thinks, because the woke cult is not left or right.
This is what I was saying.
Some people don't agree, but I'm like, sterilizing your kids is not a left wing or right wing position.
It is of the left right now, but the left is like, It's usually a reference to revolutionary or economically flat systems.
Communism, for instance.
The furthest left you go on the political compass, whereas right is laissez-faire capitalism.
That's the economic scale.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think Jimmy is a bit revolutionary.
He's got that revolutionary state of mind.
But I can tell that he appreciates the state when it functions properly.
He likes that kind of stuff, and he's willing to use the state to accommodate people.
tim pool
And that's more authoritarian versus libertarian.
The state versus, you know, no state.
And the thing that always confused me is when they say, like, laissez-faire capitalists are far right, and so are Nazis.
And I'm like, but they completely disagree on, like, everything.
How does that make sense?
What does that even mean?
And they say things like they're always trying to redefine what left and right is in order to justify why you are not left or whatever.
ian crossland
So I'm just like we got to be careful about putting people in camps.
That's what that is is the first step on the path to putting people in camps is giving them labels and putting them in a consciousness box when it comes to I think.
amala ekpunobi
Colt is often a good word.
I know it's a strong word, but it's a good word because as soon as you start to deviate on even one single issue, they throw you out and label you as something.
And language is so powerful for the woke left in particular, the way they manipulate it, the way they utilize it in order to put people in certain groups and label them.
And as soon as we go, you know, I'm not going to accept the label and I'm not going to take that.
I think it's when we start changing the game a little bit.
tim pool
You know what's interesting is I think it's like the snowball effect, the snowball rolling down a hill.
So I'd imagine for you, as for like a lot of people who start questioning wokeness, you probably said something small like, hey, I kind of don't agree with you on the white people thing.
And then they immediately start shoving you as hard as they could out.
amala ekpunobi
Yep.
That's exactly what happened.
I had, so I'll tell a quick little story.
I was working on a project called The Groveland Four back in Florida, and it was about these four black men had been wrongfully accused of sexual assault.
And there was a documentary that we were showing, and I was trying to get all these college and high school kids to come and say, you know, this is America.
This is what they do to black people.
They shove them through the criminal justice system, even when they have nothing.
And in the background, Brett Kavanaugh gets accused of sexual assault and that whole firestorm starts happening.
And I'm working on this project, watching Brett Kavanaugh just completely break down on camera, and I brought it to my boss and I said, you know, why are we treating these two situations differently?
Why is he completely just getting obliterated by the media and by the work that we're doing here?
yet when these four black men get wrongfully accused, we're giving them all the grace in the
world." And he said, well, he's a white man and I don't care and he clearly is the frat boy type,
so he did it and he should hang. Wow. Yeah, just when I tell you the most dramatic rhetoric you
could possibly hear, I was hearing day in and day out. I don't know how I didn't leave sooner,
tim pool
but eventually it was just, you can't stand it. I kind of feel like the left hates mixed race
people, like woke people.
people.
Like, their perspective is... I've experienced this personally, where they're like, we should have segregated spaces, right?
The POC and the non-POC.
And then, you know, if you walk up to them and you're like, what if I'm both?
They're like, get out.
Because then you're still white.
And in your story, what I'm imagining is, like, you've got white family.
Him saying he's white, I don't care, let him hang.
It's like, yo, you realize, like, when people say that stuff to me,
I'm like imagining my family.
I'm like, I don't like that.
amala ekpunobi
Right.
tim pool
Like, you're talking about my family, too.
amala ekpunobi
Which was interesting because I had conservative people in my family
who are sort of like the Fox News conservatives watching that all the time.
And then I had my mom who was totally on board of, you know, F white people.
And I just happen to be a white ally, but also I'm part of the problem.
So my brain was just going crazy all throughout my childhood.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you feel like she owed you an explanation?
Did it, like, hurt your sense of identity?
amala ekpunobi
You know, I just have conversations with her now and say, you know, in the future, maybe we don't do this to children.
Maybe we don't teach them that they're victims from, like, the age of eight years old.
And, you know, tell them that there's some boogeyman out to get them, but he's invisible.
And see how that goes.
hannah claire brimelow
And how did other people in your community react when you were like, I don't know that I totally get behind all these beliefs anymore.
amala ekpunobi
I was completely just ousted from the organization, gone, left, never talked to again.
And of course, later, about a year or so later, I started making videos and those sort of blew up.
Just people were pissed.
tim pool
One story I talk about every so often is that during Occupy Wall Street, there was this dude.
It was a white dude and a black dude.
And the black dude was like, I'm going to run across the street to go to the bathroom.
And the white dude, they were friends.
He was like, oh, hey, would you grab me a cheeseburger when you're over there?
And the black dude went off and he was like, excuse me?
And he was like, can you grab me a cheeseburger when you're over there?
I'll give you money.
And the black dude just went off and started yelling at him.
And then I asked him later, what happened?
And then he said, you see how racist that was?
And then I was like, he asked you to get him a cheeseburger?
And he's like, yeah, like I'm his boy, like going to get him food or something.
And I was like, dude, my friends ask me to grab them stuff from the store all the time.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's a phrase, you fly, I'll buy.
That's what we used to say.
tim pool
What I think happened there was that This dude internalizes the racism and sees everything through a lens of you're being racist towards me.
So something as simple as my friend asked me to grab him food because I was already going that way turns into a racist attack on him.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Well and I think white guilt is something that people are introduced to at a really young age.
I saw a friend over the weekend and she's moved to New City and she told me That she specifically picked her yoga studio because it was in the historically black neighborhood and she liked that it was owned by a woman of color.
And if that's your preference, totally cool.
And then she said, I also think it's really important that they offer classes for free to black people only and I think it's better because I should be paying for it.
It's okay if I have to pay and other people don't.
And I was like, you're describing discrimination.
You know that, right?
But, you know, what am I supposed to say to someone who feels like this is part of her moral duty to the world?
You have to, like you were saying, kind of approach it calmly.
tim pool
This is what I think people who agree with us need to understand.
There's no mistake.
They're racist.
They define racists in a different way, but who cares the way they... Look, I'm not trying to win an argument with them over what words mean.
To me, my basis for racism is that they want racial discrimination, that they believe certain races are inherently one way or another, something like that.
Whereas I'm kind of like, you know, if I went to a restaurant and they had signs about like only serving white people or somebody said to me that they liked a restaurant because it catered to white people and offered free food to white people, I'd be like, that's kind of messed up.
I don't like that.
And if they did the same thing for Mexicans or black people, I'd be like, that's not okay.
I don't like that.
That's kind of lame.
And the woke.
They want the segregation.
It's fascinating when I talk to people and tell them about how Dearborn, Michigan had the, did you see this one, the POC and the non-POC digital events they did?
amala ekpunobi
I've seen a lot of places doing this stuff.
tim pool
Tons of this stuff.
And they're like, it's a good thing.
And I'm like, it's a bad thing.
I'm like, well, if you don't like it, you're racist.
And I'm like, dude, I don't care what word you use.
I don't like what you're doing and I'm just going to stay away from you.
amala ekpunobi
And that's the smart thing to do.
I mean, you know, Ibram X. Kendi, who we all know and dislike, Talks about, you know, the way to fix past discrimination is present discrimination and how that lands with anybody, I just don't understand.
And I think a quick thought exercise that anybody can do is to sort of look at these headlines and what these woke people are doing and swap out people of color or black or Hispanic for any other race and see how you feel about it.
See if it's truly racist.
And it always is.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it always is.
Yeah, it's crazy.
I think part of it is people feel like they are They are doing the right thing by making things, by overcompensating, you know, by saying like, oh, well, we'll pay more now because at the time you were wronged.
And I think we forget that we can acknowledge that past wrongs were committed without needing to, you know, push a bunch of other people down in order to make this unstable system we're trying to build up on.
It doesn't make any sense.
tim pool
Isn't it funny, though, how there's an overlap between these people?
They're the same people who support war with Ukraine.
They're the same people who think everybody should bend the knee to vaccine mandates.
Like, what's up with that?
I think it's because, you know, I was thinking about, I saw these memes about how the Christian right were mean and they hated people, and I'm like, yeah, that's not been my experience, you know, for the most part.
But I wonder, because I know that they exist, and I wonder if what it really is, is that they're a group of people that, or I should say a certain amount of people tend to be
zealous and mob-like.
They don't actually believe anything. They just do whatever the dominant social group says,
and they adhere to it with force and aggression. And at one point when this country was dominated
by Christians, those people claimed to be Christians and gave them a bad name.
Now that the country is moving towards secularism, these people are now the same people they've always been, but now just along with the woke, giving them a bad name and making them look like garbage.
But the problem is they're the prominent ones that are pushing this stuff.
Obviously there's like regular people who are like on the left and think racism is bad, but the dominant voices have all become these like despicable, weird authoritarians.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think they make it such a gray area where it's like, well, your instincts on what is racism and what feels wrong to you is wrong.
You don't have a true understanding of this because you don't have this knowledge and context that we, especially in the realm of academia, say you must understand and go through to really get.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah, and I think another underlying factor with why they do things like the vaccine mandates and jumping into war with Ukraine, when I was working for the left, there was this constant idea of radical compassion.
So you identify a problem, you identify what you think would be the compassionate thing to do, and you do that to the most radical extent that you possibly can, which means hopping into war with Russia, which means mandating vaccines for everybody.
If you're, if you wants people to be able to come into the United States and immigrate here.
We need open borders.
Everything is always the most radical form of policy they can think of.
ian crossland
You know, radical compassion doesn't work, in my opinion.
I tried it in 2006 on internet videos.
I was like, what would Jesus do with this technology?
He'd connect with everyone he could and, you know, spread the gospel, listen to them, connect with their eyes.
And I was doing it and it became so exhausting.
And a lot of very weak people would connect with me.
And I was like, I'm not turning anyone away.
I'll talk to anybody.
And so It broke me.
The people that were busted up psychologically were infecting my mind with busted up psychology and I was becoming busted up.
And I realized it's not sustainable, this radical... You need to let people fix themselves.
You need to maybe create an environment where it's easier for them.
tim pool
Some people can't be fixed.
ian crossland
But that's up to them.
I cannot fix them.
I can only give them an opportunity to fix themselves.
amala ekpunobi
It's coddling.
It's what's happening right now.
And that's what I recognized a lot when talking about being biracial in America so much as what do we need to do for you?
What's hard for you?
How can you get into school?
How can you get a job?
And you can switch out the race thing for gender or sexuality, but that's constantly the underlying factor is how can I be a savior towards X community?
tim pool
It's funny that I think there are different conspiracy theorists, factions, that all will blame one group of people for their problems.
So, like, you've got the groups that, you know, will say, like, the globalists, you know, you know, the more Alex Jones-oriented conspiracy theory types.
Not referring to him specifically, but...
You've got people who hate Jewish people and blame them for all the problems.
You've got the woke who blame white people for all the problems.
You've got Occupy Wall Street that blames the 1% for all their problems.
It's like if you want to figure out where you fit in, which group do you hate the most?
Blame for all the problems and you found your friends.
To me it's creepy because obviously this planet and society is extremely nuanced.
And it's not so simple to say there's one group that's causing all the problems.
There aren't.
There's like, there's war, there's countries, there's cultures, there are ideologies.
Within countries and within races, there's different ideologies that are attacking each other.
But of course, the woke, they've become the corporate dominant, and they blame white people for their problems.
amala ekpunobi
Our minds are so simplistic.
I mean, it's so weird that we've reduced ourselves down to things like race and gender, which are just things you can see to the human eye.
And then we've just decided, oh, because I can see it, that must be the rule of thumb here.
And there must be one ultimate villain in every single case for every single problem.
It's unbelievable how simplistic our brains work.
ian crossland
I don't like the black and white thing because we're not black and white.
That's very obviously a wrong way to describe things.
It's too simple.
unidentified
It doesn't function.
tim pool
Let's jump to this good fun story we have here from the New York Post.
Kathy Griffin slammed for saying Republicans will start a civil war.
The first thing I want to say... Tim, she stole your line!
amala ekpunobi
No, no.
tim pool
New York Post is wrong.
Hold on.
New York Post, you need to issue a correction.
She did not say Republicans will start a civil war.
She never said that.
That is defamation and slander of our good friend Kathy Griffin.
What she said was, If you don't want a civil war, vote for Democrats in November.
If you do want civil war, vote Republican.
She did not say in any capacity that Republicans would start one.
In fact, she didn't in any way imply either... well, she didn't state either side would, but she implied Democrats would!
Let's do some basic logic real quick.
If you vote for Democrats, they win.
There won't be a civil war.
That means Republicans will do nothing.
If you vote for Republicans, and they win, and she says there will be a civil war in that capacity, well, Republicans aren't going to start a civil war after winning legitimate power.
The Democrats would have to start fighting with them, otherwise they're in power.
She's actually implying Democrats will start a civil war.
Many people pointed this out.
She's basically issuing a threat.
If you don't vote for us, we are going to war.
hannah claire brimelow
And Twitter's cool with it.
tim pool
Civil War, drink.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah, leave it up.
ian crossland
This is the second one.
She cut the Trump head and held that bloody head.
This is kind of another weird, like, visceral statement.
amala ekpunobi
It's just shock value.
I think after that Trump head thing, she should've just went, you know what, no more internet for me.
I think I'm done.
Zaraj, where's the list?
tim pool
Take her phone away.
lydia smith
Seriously.
amala ekpunobi
I saw her try to work it back and say, you know, if the Democrats are in power, they'll be able to hold off the MAGA Republicans from starting some sort of war.
That's what I meant by the tweet, but I don't think that landed.
tim pool
So she's implying that the MAGA Republicans get elected, are handed the keys to the castle, and then they're gonna go, They just start running around and smashing things?
amala ekpunobi
Makes no sense.
tim pool
They have legitimate power.
They've won an election.
Why would they do anything like that?
hannah claire brimelow
They're all crazy white people, Tim.
We don't know what they're gonna do.
amala ekpunobi
We don't know what white people are capable of.
tim pool
Well, that's true, but then you end up with people like Tim Scott they act like doesn't exist.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I wonder how much of Kathy is getting taken out of context because it's... Did she say this verbally or was this in text?
unidentified
It's a tweet.
amala ekpunobi
All tweet.
ian crossland
She's a comedian.
Text... Your jokes don't always translate to text.
unidentified
Oh, come on.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think this is a joke.
unidentified
I mean...
hannah claire brimelow
It does seem like a cry for attention.
She did have a reality TV show that was like, uh, My Life as a D-List Celebrity or something.
amala ekpunobi
Oh, she did?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This was way back in the day.
amala ekpunobi
She's a D-List Celebrity, so I've never heard of it.
hannah claire brimelow
So, you know, she really does need people to notice her whenever, whenever possible.
So I feel like, again, she's somewhat political openly a lot of the time, but also, you know, she has to stay part of the relevant conversation.
tim pool
As somebody who's, you know, half of their tweets are completely nonsensical and hilarious, uh, yes, I'm saying my jokes are funny.
I feel for Kathy Griffin if she's taken out of context.
The only issue is she took a photo of herself holding a faux severed head of Donald Trump.
lydia smith
It's hard to get out of context.
tim pool
Yeah, she's literal.
Like, you know, look, I think my tweets are funny because I'm intentionally trolling and screwing around.
And the fact that some people believe, so I'll tell you this, I tweeted, When the left was ragging on the song we put out, I said, the success of Only Ever Wanted proves that deep down Americans crave powerful emo music, but the globalist corporate elite are conspiring to suppress it.
And they started sharing the tweet on Reddit and other posts being like, Tim Pool literally thinks this.
And I'm like, that was so overt in its nonsense that no sane person would believe I was telling the truth.
If you were to look at what Kathy Griffin is saying, and you think she's joking, then I think you're being equally dishonest.
hannah claire brimelow
I think this is the, this year's Democrats Get Out the Vote campaign.
Like, if you don't vote for us, it's gonna end in civil war, and they want you to believe it's Republicans, but as Tim is completely right in pointing out, it's Actually, the Democrats being like, we will riot.
We've been doing it for a little while here.
Everyone's cool when we do it, not when any Republicans do it.
You know, it's kind of crazy that she can post this, it can stay up, and she's going to be like, no, I'm in the right to say it.
This is a get out the vote.
amala ekpunobi
It's all fear tactics.
I mean, she seems clearly inspired by Joe Biden.
We watched his last speech where he's talking about, you know, the MAGA Republicans are the threat to America.
It's what we all have to worry about.
They hate this country so long as they don't win.
I think they're really just pushing fear, fear, fear, and please get out and vote for us or else.
tim pool
And it works.
It works.
And, you know, a lot of Republicans are like, oh, it's gonna be a red tsunami and we're gonna win.
And I'm like, yeah, you better operate under the assumption it's gonna be a blue wave and get out every single person you can.
Because I'll tell you, even if you do win, the likelihood the Republicans, you know, the Republican leadership will do something is low.
So you need to make sure the win is overwhelming.
So that, look, if in swing states, you get moderate Republicans who win, Then they're going to jam things up and be like, no, no, no, listen, you know, we gotta be, we can't play that way.
We had Rick Santorum on and, you know, I respect the guy, but he was like, we can't play that game.
We've got to play by the rules.
And I'm like, okay, like, dude, I get it.
Play by the rules.
But playing by the rules also means you subpoena them when they do something illegal.
You don't say, well, you know, that's too much and too far.
Well, that's what they're doing.
They're going after Trump.
They're going after Bannon.
They're going after people on the right.
They put Peter Navarro in shackles.
So maybe Republicans need to win and just, you know, get some subpoenas and do some investigations.
Figure out what went on with Crossfire Hurricane.
Maybe get some accountability for Russiagate.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
And I think if you are a conservative leaning voter, It's much better to look at the tsunami after it's hit than to be like, I think it's coming, I'll just pretend.
And then it turns out it's nothing.
I think the Republican Party is prone to complacency.
And, you know, they think they're being forgiving, being like, well, we're not going to follow up on any of these things.
We could press charges, but, you know, we're going to be the bigger people and move on.
And it's like, no, actually you're letting the justice system fall by the wayside by being inactive and becoming complacent.
ian crossland
Yeah, the riots of 2020 was an example of that.
Like, day two, where was the National Guard?
hannah claire brimelow
And all they said was, like, well, if we start prosecuting people, it'll probably get worse, right?
We're being mean.
amala ekpunobi
We're just reactionary and just reactive.
We're, like, waiting for them to come to our backyard to react to them and then going, oh, well, there was no laws to protect me for this?
Oh, so sorry!
lydia smith
So I get called a black pillar a lot because I'm constantly like, hey guys, I'm not convinced there's going to be a red wave.
And they're like, oh, just let it happen.
I'm like, no, you can't do that way.
You need to be taking every single possible step you can.
You need to be getting other people involved in voting.
And I've been going back and forth with a lot of people about whether we should fight on their level.
And I think the ultimate answer is that yes, we should as far as lawfare goes, and then as far as like character goes, we need to stick by- see that's where your conservative principles can actually come out, is in your character.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't need to do what they do, you don't need to cancel people as hard as they do, but you can fight back on the level playing ground that is supposedly- There was a poll from the Trafalgar Group I think today that said after Biden's speech, A lot of independents, and I can't remember the percentage, but let's say 30%, swung and were like, this, that speech is like, cool, aggressive rhetoric.
This is inappropriate.
Like, this is not right.
Obviously, you know, high percentage of Democrats thought that speech was wonderful.
Lots of conservatives were like, wait, no, that's insane.
But it was the independents who were like, you're losing us here, Joe Biden administration, the Democratic Party.
Like, this is not something that we support.
I think it was like, I should wish I had the number in front of me, like 50% were like, 100% we are against how this presentation and the way this looks.
I think in some ways the Democrats themselves will show are showing their true colors but I can't stress enough that I feel like the Republican Party's one of their biggest issues is that they become complacent and they're like got in the bag let's all just pack up and go home and that's how you lose.
ian crossland
No, we need serious asymmetric, what would you call it, I guess, culture warfare.
Lawfare.
Well, lawfare, I'm open to being equal.
We should be treating the law equally among all people, but if you want to win a culture war against a communist infusion or whatever the hell is happening, you need deep spiritual power.
You need some sort of imbalance of power to win that.
And that, I think, is internal.
It's meditation, consciousness, listening to people, being willing to cry.
That comes out.
amala ekpunobi
The way that we communicate is so different to the way that progressives communicate, and I've learned that a lot just having worked on both sides.
Their grassroots organizing endeavors are insane, and they're very well run.
They're in the communities, running around, knocking doors, having conversations with people, and having very emotional conversations with people.
And I think that's what influences voters.
Conservatives, we're not very emotional.
We don't use like a storyline in order to influence people.
And as far as his speech, he had an amazing opportunity to hop up there and give a message of unity and say, you know, we can coexist.
There is a way that we can unite out of this.
And I want to be the president who does that.
But he fumbled the ball.
And at least that ball is now in our court.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think the play was, you're gonna fumble, the other team's gonna, but then we're gonna recover it and run it in for a touch, like, it was like, the speech was written as a fumble.
hannah claire brimelow
See, I feel like it wasn't actually about unity because of the lines about the right-wing extremism.
unidentified
It was not.
hannah claire brimelow
It was like, under the guise of patriotism, being like, look, I'm in front of Independence Hall, and they've got all these great colors, and look at those Marines, and then it's like, but remember, the MAGA conservatives are the devil, and if you vote for them, you are going to set our country on fire.
Which is not a unifying message.
tim pool
The emotion thing is everything.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Right now the Democrats are heavily just targeting emotions, hate and fear, hate and fear.
And I think people on the right, as you were mentioning, they're not very emotional, they don't get it.
Ben Shapiro, you know, thinks he'll make a logical argument and convince you, but in fact he's only speaking to people who are already logical, and people who are already logical are probably already more right-leaning.
So I know this from having done street fundraising, and I'm canvassing, where we would go and talk to people on the street way up high.
They always give you these spiels, and they would be like, say this.
And they were very methodological.
Hi, my name is this.
I work for here.
Here's a problem we face.
Here's how you can help.
And of course, that stuff never works.
And they don't want you to say anything else, like for like legal reasons.
But I was like, dude, I can get people to sign up for anything without saying a single fact.
Like, they're worried about you saying something factually incorrect and then giving someone, someone gives a donation and then you've got like a, you know, liability issue or something.
And I'm like, just tug on their heartstrings.
Just, you know, so the pitches I would do were often very much like trying to make people cry.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Just like tell them a story about a, you know, Talking about homeless people.
Telling them a story about a homeless person that no one loves.
Imagine what it must feel like that no one's there for you and no one loves you.
And then when you finally do see someone walking down the street, they look at you with disgust and they spit on you.
And then people are like feeling bad and then they donate.
hannah claire brimelow
The best sales pitch I've ever seen was this guy selling door-to-door children's encyclopedias, who was like, yeah, I took this opportunity to be out here because my fiance's here, but it's really hard, and they didn't tell you that our wages would be awful, and we have to buy the product first, and we all have to share a van, and I have to sell these, because otherwise I'm in debt to the company, and I watched so many people buy that guy's encyclopedia.
He might as well have been selling I don't even know what.
tim pool
If you go up to somebody and say, He also may not have had a fiancé.
hannah claire brimelow
I just want to put that on the table.
amala ekpunobi
I could have been lying.
The whole thing could have been a lie.
tim pool
The same is true for the right.
Like, if you were going to make a pitch and say, like, here's what a Democrat policy is bad, right?
Joe Biden, he's enacted these policies such as banning fracking on public lands, which has caused a spike in speculation.
Now, here's a logical reason why that's going to... They don't care.
They don't care.
They say you're lying.
They say it's fake news.
Donald Trump is bad.
He's evil.
You need to go out and, like, drive emotions.
Talk, you know, just create a circumstance where you make them feel something, and then point them in the direction of what they... That's what the Democrats do.
They say, Bad stuff!
Bad stuff!
Donald Trump!
Bad stuff!
unidentified
Yep.
amala ekpunobi
Our best bet is, like, going out there, talking about the state of the economy right now, how American families are hurting, talk about this Defund the Police movement and how it's hurting low-income minority communities, tug on the heartstrings there, and it's not a hard thing to do because it's real.
It's actually happening.
People are seeing it in their backyard.
Parents are getting galvanized because their students are being affected in this public schooling system that's completely failing them.
If you use those emotional stories and then, you know, plug in the facts there as you need to, people will get behind you.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet because we were talking about, you know, like law and stuff came up and I was thinking about this in the context of where we're going Civil War wise.
Marianne Williamson was responding to a Newsweek story about Trump getting his special master, that they're going to review the document seized, and she said, this is terrible news.
lydia smith
Why is that terrible?
tim pool
Stixx Hexenhammer says, how sad that your witch hunt nonsense is being put on hold for due process reasons.
She responded, does the law matter to you at all or do you just think it doesn't apply to him?
Now here's the problem.
Marianne Williamson.
I actually, I think she's very nice, sweet lady.
But this is the issue with the left.
They don't care about facts.
At all.
They care about how they feel.
So they ignore facts, they don't do research, and my response.
The law stopped being relevant when Democrats impeached Trump over Joe Biden threatening the Ukrainian president with illegally blocking U.S.
aid guarantees, or maybe it was when they fabricated evidence to spy on Trump.
The funny thing is, people like Marianne Williamson don't know that happened.
Telling her doesn't matter because it gives her a negative emotional response.
You were wrong, your facts are bad, and you're on the wrong side.
Negative emotional response.
Don't want to listen to you.
Get away from me.
They only want sweet, comforting lies.
ian crossland
Well, they want sweet comfort.
lydia smith
No, they want lies.
They prefer lies.
Look, look, look.
tim pool
Whether they intentionally say, I want lies, or the lie is what makes them feel better, and they request.
So they're like, make me feel better.
I love that line from V for Vendetta where he says, would you prefer a lie or the truth?
When he gets asked by Evie about you.
ian crossland
They want hope.
tim pool
Did you kill that man?
ian crossland
So what is the situation here?
What law is being discussed?
She says there's no rule of law.
tim pool
So Donald Trump, they seize the documents.
Trump says a special master should review this to make sure they're not going through private stuff they're not allowed to, like privileged documents.
unidentified
And she thinks you should not have due process.
amala ekpunobi
She's scared that the appointee is going to be somewhat on his side, that they're going to help him out.
And she's also scared of lengthening this out before he announces whether or not he's going to run for president.
So if they have a hitter that they can use on Trump before he puts in his candidacy, they want it now.
lydia smith
Sorry, let me squeeze this in real fast.
It is so telling to me that they don't want it to be possible for someone to like Donald Trump's perspective.
That's insane.
hannah claire brimelow
He's already convicted in their minds.
Oh, for sure.
He committed a crime.
We're just not totally sure what the crime is, is the logic there.
So why he would need due process is sort of beyond Ken to them because He should already be convicted.
They don't want anything holding this up because he is already persona non grata enemy number one.
There's no recovering from that.
He doesn't deserve the law.
ian crossland
A big mistake people are making, I think, is that they're pinning a lot of social distress right now on political parties.
Is it the Republicans causing this chaos or is it the Democrats?
But in reality, when you look at videos in Sri Lanka or in Italy where people are rioting on the street and smashing stuff and attacking cops, it's because they don't have heat.
They don't have electricity.
That's what's causing and going to cause civil stress in this country.
It really doesn't matter who's in political power at that state.
hannah claire brimelow
But everyone is going to say, like, well, you know why you don't have the things that you need to survive?
Because of that other party.
Vladimir Putin did this interview today where he was like, yeah, Europe is sacrificing all of their people to keep the American globalist elite in dominant power.
Like, he is saying the exact same thing.
We are all looking for someone else to blame issues on.
But like, With all of the sanctions and energy bills are high, you can understand where that line is now going to potentially be persuasive to at least Russians, if not other people who are like, yeah, our leadership is really messing us up here.
How are we going to get over this?
ian crossland
What is it, the system they don't want?
I hate using the term today.
It's so vague.
Power structures don't want people to be in power, don't want people to have unlimited electricity, because then they'll have more power than the government and rise up and overthrow.
So they've kept us in a state of slavocracy, but that's going to cause people to rise up.
tim pool
It's like in one of the greatest movie franchises of all time, Fast and Furious.
lydia smith
Oh, great.
Oh, goodness.
tim pool
I think it's a wise man once said the villain in one of them.
I'm not sure if it was five or not.
He said, you know, you give the people something that there's that they're
scared to lose you could take away and then you control them.
Then they're your slaves.
amala ekpunobi
That was my thought.
tim pool
Yeah.
So it's basically like give them just enough you make their lives better
and then they're dependent upon you.
It's like it's like it's like, you know, it's not all bad in a sense
where you're making their lives a little better, but then you're also
using it specifically for control.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like leashing a Tyrannosaurus Rex and hoping it doesn't realize that it's a T-Rex and you're just a little guy with a leash.
tim pool
Well, it's like, uh, there's this famous meme where there's a big elephant with, like, a rope on its foot and a little spike in the ground.
And someone said, why won't the elephant just rip it out and walk away?
And they said, when the elephant was little, it struggled and fought and learned that it couldn't get out.
Now that it's older, it doesn't even bother trying.
amala ekpunobi
And on top of that, they're also pushing this message of, you need to do this.
This is for the greater good.
Like, with this energy stuff that's happening right now, entangled in that is the climate crisis and hysteria surrounding that.
So, not only are you giving the government control, but you're doing it for a good cause.
You're doing the right thing, which is exactly what's happening in the Netherlands right now.
You know, the farmers are up in arms about their livelihoods being taken away, and it is just a massive land grab from the government.
But the government is saying, no, it's for Climate change.
hannah claire brimelow
This line, flatten the curve, like COVID taught us.
You referenced the rat hope experiment.
It's really Pavlov's dog.
They ring the bell.
Oh, we got to flatten the curves and everyone should fall in line and do this because it's for the greater good.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
So the rat hope experiment, we've talked about it before.
Guy takes three rats, three cylinders, puts the rats in the cylinders.
They swim for 15 minutes, can't get out, and then they just give up, sink, and die.
Then he takes another pair of rats, set of rats, puts them in, they swim, 15 minutes or so, they give up,
but this time he lifts them out, dries them off, lets them relax, then puts them back in.
The second time they swam for 60 hours.
So we talked about this during the COVID lockdown.
Are they going to rat experiment us?
You put us in lockdown, everybody starts losing their minds, and then right before it gets too bad, you stop, you let everybody go back to normal, you bring the movies back, you bring the video games back, the food's back, the pizza's back, the wings are back.
And then, you give everybody a little bit to relax, dry off, and then do it again, and now they'll last 60 times as long.
So, if you went, let's put it this way, 15 minutes to 60 hours, we're talking about, what is it, like a 200, was it 20, what are we doing?
ian crossland
Yeah, 240 times.
tim pool
240 time increase.
So, based on the fact they locked us down for, what, a year?
Are they now going to start pulling hard back for another couple hundred years?
It doesn't need to be that much.
It doesn't need to translate.
You only need a generation because you lock down the generation of people that are used to living well and have access to technology.
Once they accept their fate and say, if we just stay at it and flatten the curve, then eventually things will get better.
But I think people don't do well in slavery.
ian crossland
They never have.
There's just a history of uprising against slavery, whether it's a monarchy or a corporation or whatever.
I can't imagine that people would sit still for very long in that situation.
tim pool
Don't try, for sure.
amala ekpunobi
Is there like a form of soft totalitarianism where it's like you are somewhat enslaved but you have all these wonderful amenities to keep you at bay and to keep you docile and you have your streaming services and you have just enough AC to keep your house cool and you know just enough to be fine in the place that you're at and without enough energy to really realize how oppressed you are.
tim pool
They have to slowly take away from you because the idea is you will own nothing and you will be happy.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
But this is true, okay?
That's a true statement.
You will owe nothing and you will be happy is true.
So we right now are not unhappy that we don't have access to flying cars and teleportation.
ian crossland
I mean- Speak for yourself.
tim pool
No, I know.
Some people are like, I wish I could teleport.
But what I mean is, we mentioned this a little while ago.
There was a video of a 90 year old man in like the turn of the century, 1900s.
They recorded him.
He was alive in the civil war and they were like, what's it like with all this?
How was it for you growing up with all the technology now?
He's like, same.
People get by, they do the work they gotta do.
We got by just fine, people get by now.
We are accustomed to technology we have.
We are not upset that we don't have technology we don't know exists.
So if they can take it away from you, and then remove it from your thoughts, or the next generation grows up without having it, they won't be unhappy because they won't know it existed.
lydia smith
Yeah, I forget what podcast I was watching this week, but they were talking about how it's humanity's greatest strength and our greatest weakness that we can get used to anything.
So there really hasn't been a lot of humans thriving in slavery, but people do get used to it.
I don't know if you remember, and I'm sure Ian doesn't know, but in the Bible, the Israelites escaped slavery and they were so upset in the desert they were like, why can't we go back to slavery?
That was better.
At least we were fed, right?
Yeah, this is a thing that happens to humans and has been happening since Yeah.
amala ekpunobi
I mean, look at young people during this COVID pandemic being locked down, how quickly they were like, oh, I'm totally fine being home.
Also, let's work from home now.
And the way our workforce has shifted subsequently, it's, we are very quickly.
hannah claire brimelow
And you saw, I used to see a lot of content that was like, somebody asked me to get lunch before the pandemic and you're Like running errands, you're doing a ton of stuff.
And then after the pandemic, like you have one social interaction.
You're like, I'm done for the year.
I can't do it anymore.
It literally became something that people are overwhelmed by.
When it was actually a huge part of civilization working in community and having regular contact with other people.
Like we are now more isolated and the pandemic just made it so we acclimated faster.
amala ekpunobi
But we're more connected through the internet, right guys?
tim pool
I love the internet.
The training worked, but I also think it's a big marketing campaign.
It's a big PSYOP.
So you do remote work.
I'm actually not as opposed to remote work for a lot of jobs.
Some jobs require community and, you know, cohesion.
But for a lot of jobs, like, yeah, you can work from home for a lot of this stuff.
Now you've got people who are, I don't want to go back to work, I want to work from home.
Yeah, that's good for everything that's going on, like reducing carbon emissions, all the climate change stuff, all the energy stuff.
They put people in a position for a year, then people get accustomed to it and then beg for it again.
That's what they like, yeah.
Social manipulation, social engineering.
ian crossland
And this would be, I don't want to put too much weight on the World Economic Forum, but I don't know who else they're working with, but the idea that people are going into the pods, that we're creating like a race of bored people, pod people, that our brains are hooked to the machine and we're all kind of seeing each other's thoughts and working as one.
Because the other option is total chaos and uprisings of people thinking they don't have enough and fighting and killing and destroying.
tim pool
I don't want everyone to be blackpilled here.
I want you to see this story from Bloomberg.
Thousands protest in Prague over energy crisis.
Demonstrators gather to protest against the government in Prague.
I think in Italy they were burning their energy bills.
Is that Italy?
amala ekpunobi
UK doing the same thing?
tim pool
UK, take a look at this.
Protests against the Indonesian government's 30% gas price hiker in full force.
Watch as protesters try to break down a wall of police officers in riot gear.
ian crossland
This is apolitical.
lydia smith
Yeah, this is bipartisan.
tim pool
So what I mean to say is, you know, people won't stand for this.
And I don't believe Barack Obama or Bill Gates or any of these people.
They are not trustworthy people.
They come to me as a young man and say, good sir, urban liberal, we have a climate crisis at hand.
And I say, really, tell me more.
And they say, that's right, there's too many people.
Makes sense, doesn't it?
Deer get overpopulated, birds, turkeys, pigs, they can overpopulate, right?
And I'm like, yeah.
And they go, well, We got a problem.
We can't just kill people.
So we have to work together to reduce our energy use, reuse and recycle.
And I'm like, yeah, that all makes a lot of sense.
And they're like, now you get to it.
My private plane is waiting to my beachfront property.
And I'm like, well, hold on there a minute.
Hold on.
I sacrifice.
And then you bought beachfront property in Martha's Vineyard.
These people are full of it.
If they really cared about this stuff, they wouldn't be doing the things they're doing.
No, but I think the reality is, is that they want to preserve what they have.
They probably are worried about overpopulation and political instability, but the reality is, if we can get you to sacrifice, we get to keep our private jets.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So when they try to implement these control mechanisms, it's like you mentioned Ian, they want to control the energy you get access to because by limiting it, it makes it easier to control you.
If only the wealthy elites have access to the internet or access to these, you know, flying cars or whatever, they're an advantage over poor people and they can more easily control them.
So now what we see is people are protesting and rising up saying, we do not agree with this.
And that's what we need to see.
Because if people just lay down and accept this, then you're all gonna be pod people, basically sheep or chickens.
ian crossland
Internet's kind of helped us to smash class systems.
Like there used to be the elites and the plebs.
And all through society there's been better men and everybody else.
You know, whatever, in the Americas there were the better men that made the government.
But I think people are, not everybody, but more willing to represent themselves What Tim is saying is reminding me of the criticism of the North America Free Trade Agreement.
hannah claire brimelow
It was like, here's what we're going to do as a collective, you, US, Canada, Mexico, and part of the environmental policies were like, we're going to reduce carbon and do whatever.
And Mexico never reduced their carbon emissions.
And so it was like, wait, we were we said we were all in this together.
And it was like, But why are we staying in this agreement, in this partnership, that's not working?
I feel like that's the same thing that these people are saying, like, we rely on you to protect us and you are swearing allegiance to a system that is causing us to suffer.
Like, you are supposed to put our interests first.
unidentified
Right.
amala ekpunobi
They're realizing their public servants are not serving them anymore and that there is a clear, I think, the class divide is beginning.
Just so abundantly clear, especially through the internet and independent journalism.
Like if we weren't talking about this and these independent journalists weren't talking about this, nobody would know that all these separate protests are happening right now.
But now we're getting videos coming out and different people are jumping on the movements.
In the Netherlands when that started, sooner or later France jumps in, Spain jumps in, because they all know this is going to be a collective fight.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, it was the same thing with the Freedom Convoy, right?
We saw it happening in Canada and people were like, oh wait, yeah, I don't want this either.
We're gonna act.
And you didn't see it modeled as heavily anywhere outside Canada.
I mean, people carried out to a certain extent, but like that reminded everyone that like you don't have to lay down and conform to what's going on, especially if it's harming you.
tim pool
I think it's funny.
I remember the Arab Spring.
You had people using Facebook and Twitter to organize mass protests in these Arabic nations and then, you know, overthrow their governments.
Egypt did it twice.
And then we start seeing that with Occupy Wall Street.
People start organizing and protesting.
Occupy, I think, got co-opted by, you know, special interests.
But the ability to use social media to organize and reject these centralized control systems is extremely apparent.
And now they're desperately trying to put a stop to it.
They have to ban people like Alex Jones.
They have to silence as many of these voices as possible.
And they first started going for big names, Alex Jones, for instance, Miley Nopoulos, Laura Loomer.
Then they started going after the smaller accounts, because they were like, hey, maybe we can do it that way.
Go after a million small accounts that aren't big enough to make a splash if they get banned, as opposed to the big one that makes a big news cycle if you do ban.
So that's the strategy now.
now. The other thing obviously is shadow banning and you know,
algorithmic manipulation.
hannah claire brimelow
The second benefit that I heard to them is, you know, you ban
these people and if you're saying like, oh, these, they hold extreme views and they get purged, they look for an
alternative, right? So, as we talked about, like Gab was not a
political, inherently political alternative to Twitter, except
that they banned all of the extreme right wing users first.
So they were like, well, we'll go to Gab.
And so that gave the platform a natural leaning, even though that wasn't how he started it.
Then you can have anyone at Twitter be like, well, what are you going to do?
Join that crazy extremist platform?
It siphoned off society and made it so you can point directly where you should not go next.
amala ekpunobi
The internet is very powerful.
I mean, like, look at China and what's happening there right now.
There's protests erupting all over China because people can't get their money out of the banks, but there's no... They have such a stronghold on social media and the information that you're allowed to get out to people that it's so hard to stage a protest.
hannah claire brimelow
It's so hard.
It makes me always want to be like, who is getting banned first?
Because whatever they're doing, maybe I don't agree with it, but I want to know.
Because if they're getting purged first, just be aware of it.
Like, why are they getting purged?
tim pool
Well, they do a lot of things.
Somebody commented already that, you know, we've got 40,000 people listening to the show right now, concurrent viewership.
We're not trending on YouTube.
When you search for it, you can't find it.
And it's election season, so we knew this was going to happen.
But unsurprising.
hannah claire brimelow
Has it always been that way with this show?
Like, did you ever trend on YouTube?
I can't remember.
tim pool
I think, yes.
Early on, we did trend several times, I'm pretty sure.
And then, all of a sudden, one day, I remember TeamGuest IRL, you couldn't search for it on Google anymore.
You would take the title verbatim, put it in Google, and Facebook would come up instead.
And it was just funny.
And then it was after like a year or so, all of a sudden, I mentioned it on the show the next day we reappeared in search.
But I think it was more that they realized it was so overt people were catching on to their suppression.
Right now I think it's funny because we put out a song last week, everybody knows at this point I guess, and it was trending number 23 on YouTube.
Which is funny because this show gets more views and it never trends.
It's politics.
But this is the point of the culture war.
Putting out music is apolitical.
Boy are they really salty that we did that and succeeded at it.
They're freaking out.
ian crossland
Some are.
But it was a good song, so they get that.
tim pool
Well, it's like overwhelming thumbs up and positive, but the corporate press is losing their minds.
ian crossland
When it comes to adminning social networks, politics is kind of a risky admin.
Because if you decide to let politics run on the front page of your social network, you're basically taking a political stance as a social network administrator, whether you want to or not.
I used to put that stuff in its own bucket.
Like, if you want politics, you've got to go look for it.
I'm not going to push it at you.
I'm pushing, you know, letting entertainment or what.
And it's like, that's a dirty surface level way to go, but politics is really dirty too.
And I don't, I don't think that just because someone's got the loudest voice necessarily means that everyone should be looking at it.
tim pool
People want power.
amala ekpunobi
Well, here's a question.
Are left-leaning people ever trending on YouTube?
Do you guys keep up with that stuff?
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, I don't, I don't know about prominent, overtly political.
Yeah.
I don't know about that.
If you look at it, it's usually music and like Mr. Beast.
lydia smith
No, so every single time I turn on my smart TV, it's on YouTube and it's on the Young Turks.
Every time.
It doesn't matter what I do.
tim pool
The Young Turks are an approved YouTube TV station.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Like, you get YouTube TV and they're a channel.
hannah claire brimelow
Why aren't we a channel?
lydia smith
Yeah, what the heck?
amala ekpunobi
That's a good idea.
tim pool
Well, they have 24-hour coverage, I'm pretty sure.
Like, they have something running on reruns on like a live stream for a channel.
hannah claire brimelow
So we can have a whole show where I just vamp for an hour.
tim pool
We're getting there.
We have Pop Culture Crisis 3-5.
We have Timcast IRL 8-10.
We gotta start filling these time slots with other shows.
We're gonna be launching The Conspiracy Show with Shane Cashman, which is a call-in show.
It's not gonna be live though.
But we could air it in a time slot and then maybe eventually get a 24-hour rolling livestream.
ian crossland
Does Young Turks do a website where you pay 10 bucks a month and get their stuff?
tim pool
I think we're bigger than they are, to be honest.
I'm not sure.
hannah claire brimelow
I see a lot of left-leaning, not always like a politician or a commenter, but I do see a lot of presentation of, you know, it seems like fun internet content, right?
all these people but also best fashion but it's always you know you have to look at the people they have certain ideologies they'll talk about how they don't like certain things and it's never from the conservative perspective it's always and i think that's partially because youtube has flagged let's say left-leaning culture as mainstream culture yeah it's moving us towards a left-leaning spectrum when we know that's not actually accurate for most of america Exactly.
amala ekpunobi
That is why I started making videos.
I was just sort of a passive user of social media, but then I started realizing how they curate the content based on your demographics and what they know about you, and I started getting all this stuff about Black Lives Matter and the black struggle and the feminist struggle, and I thought, is there nobody to counteract this on social media?
And of course they are, but they're just getting throttled left and right.
It's unbelievable.
tim pool
Yeah, oh man, I'm going to save something for the next 17-20 minutes to give a quick update on the culture war issue, so I'll save it.
But yeah, the issue with Facebook and Twitter is algorithmic, and early on what happened was People who ran these big tech companies were naturally left-leaning.
They think they're the majority, so they would ban what they thought was not normal.
It's literally exemplified in that meme where it's like, the left and the right, and Bernie Sanders is placed in the middle, and there's nothing on the left, and it's like, watch this space.
And they're like, it's like, dude, Bernie Sanders literally wants the people to own percentages of corporations.
That's socialist.
Like, overtly.
If you think he's a centrist, you're in a cult.
But they do!
They think I'm a middle-of-the-road person, and Bernie Sanders is in the middle of the road.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
No, he's not.
By no metric.
Not by left and right progressive cultural standards, and not by economic standards.
He's left.
He's fairly far left, actually.
But they think they're in the middle, so they ban you.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it's the tech, you're totally right, it's tech executives, as well as the area that they're in, right?
So if we think of Hollywood and Silicon Valley as similar areas, both those industries are dominated by people who think, who are already naturally left-leaning, and then they walk outside and their kids have friends at school who aren't in the industry, and they're also left-leaning, and then it gets reinforced over and over again.
It's why I'm so interested in businesses like Daily Wire setting up in Tennessee, like businesses that want to produce content, especially now that the internet gives us that flexibility.
I would like to bring you to the world of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
You know echo chambers their physical echo chambers where people all sort of think the same thing
tim pool
I would like to bring you to the world of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in this tweet from Ursula Perano
She says, AOC on talks about her future ambitions with a heavy comment, quote, Realistically, I can't even tell you if I'm going to be alive in September, and that weighs very heavily on me.
Hold on, hold on.
ian crossland
Girl did some mushrooms, huh?
hannah claire brimelow
She's like, I'm getting ready for this.
amala ekpunobi
Life doesn't even exist.
ian crossland
It's okay to cry.
tim pool
Now hold on, there's several questions.
Does she have a terminal disease?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I hope not.
ian crossland
It's called life, yes.
tim pool
Is she suicidal?
That's a serious question.
Because saying something like that, I think people haven't thought about what she could mean by this.
And if she's not sick, and she says something like, I don't know if I'll be alive, usually that's a sign of depression.
Especially in the context of this article, she says a woman of color can never be president because people hate them or something.
It's like very negative.
She was crying when she said this.
amala ekpunobi
Really?
tim pool
They said that she had tears in her eyes.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah, but you know what?
tim pool
Maybe she needs like a 5150 or something.
She needs to be brought somewhere and given an evaluation, because if you tell people crying that you don't know if you're gonna be alive in September, we need to sit you down and ask you what's wrong, because if you ignore this, something bad could happen.
We want her to be okay, and I know the left is gonna be like, oh, shut up.
They're like, no, dude.
Okay, we're gonna play a game.
Pick one.
Do you think she's referring to a civil war and that racists would come and kill her by September?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
You think that's what she's talking about?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think she's shook up from the January 6th thing and it hasn't left her mind yet.
tim pool
You think that a couple weeks ago, she was sitting there thinking, a couple weeks from now, a bunch of white racists are gonna start a civil war and I'm gonna die.
ian crossland
She probably thinks that she's a target.
amala ekpunobi
If something like that were to happen, she'd be like- This is looking- After January 6th, she was like, I could have died.
tim pool
But she's not walking around with a security detail.
See, this is my point, right?
The assumption a lot of people make is that she must be talking about, like, what Kathy Griffin is talking about or something like that.
The other question is, okay, alright, most people are probably going to think it's something to do with political conflict.
We still have to ask questions about, like, dude, I'm the Civil War guy, I'm, like, ranting and raving about it, and I don't think in three weeks there's going to be a bunch of racists going around hunting down women of color.
amala ekpunobi
Maybe it's climate change.
hannah claire brimelow
Her comments remind me more of, like, Mark Ruffalo.
Didn't he have this thing?
amala ekpunobi
He's like, if we're around... She did say the world was gonna end in 12 years a few years ago.
ian crossland
I think that if she'd been living with purpose, it wouldn't matter if she's alive or dead.
Like, when you're living your purpose, you don't lament about when it might end.
You're just doing it.
So, obviously, maybe she's lost a lack of purpose.
She feels kind of aimless.
hannah claire brimelow
A crazy interview on a lot of fronts.
I also enjoyed during it that she said she wasn't sure it would be like good for her to marry a white guy.
She's currently engaged to a white guy that she's been dating for years.
amala ekpunobi
He's gonna kill me in my sleep.
hannah claire brimelow
She's got a lot of anxiety.
She needs to work out and I'm being a little sarcastic there but also like you are setting yourself up for a lot of scenarios where you feel like at any point your life could fall apart and or be in danger.
Like something is wrong.
tim pool
I think she might be suicidal.
lydia smith
Really?
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe.
tim pool
I think we are looking through the lens of the culture war and so we are assuming that someone political like AOC must be referring to what we see instead of asking a very simple question.
When you hear hooves, it's not zebras, it's usually horses.
The GQ article says, tears pooled in the corners of her eyes.
She says, I hold two contradictory things in my mind.
One is the relentless belief that anything's possible.
At the same time, my experience here has given me a front row seat to how deeply and unconsciously, as well as consciously, so many people in this country hate women, and they hate women of color.
People ask me questions about the future, and realistically, I can't even tell you if I'm going to be alive in September.
Why is the immediate assumption, like, if you started off from a blanket, no reference to any individual, and said, someone says that in three weeks they might not be alive.
Your immediate reaction would not be, well, they're talking about civil war.
No, yeah, you'd say wellness check.
You'd be like, okay, why do you think that?
The first question might be like, are they sick?
Like someone who thinks they're going to die in a few weeks, are they terminally ill?
Do they have cancer?
I mean, maybe AOC does and we don't know about it.
I don't know.
But I think Look, either she's insane and she thinks that a bunch of crazy extremists are going to come kill her, which that sounds insane.
Or she's depressed and crying in an interview about how people hate women of color and she doesn't know she'll be alive in September.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, but yeah, her leading with the people hate women of color is the thing that's kind of bringing me into the fact that maybe she's talking about extremism, or... But also, if you grew up always believing that you were the victim, and your job is to overcome, and you've got to do it, and like, you're also the victim, but you're still kind of winning because you got to Congress, but also you're still the victim, like... Either way, I'll mischeck.
Exactly, what she opened with, like, I hold two contradictory things on mind, like, this
is a very confusing, divided person.
tim pool
If she said this to, like, a psychotherapist who wasn't involved in the political world,
ian crossland
he'd probably be like, um, okay, someone's- Yeah, you need about a three-month vacation, girl.
tim pool
Well, three days.
An evaluation.
ian crossland
Just go to Hawaii or something and look at the waves.
Just sit on the beach.
tim pool
If she genuinely believes that there's going to be white, racist men hunting women of color, and that's why she'll die, she needs serious therapy.
She needs a break right now.
I don't know how long, but she needs to get out and she needs to go talk to a doctor, because that's crazy.
She's I think it's I think it's a fair assessment to say she lives in a world where Biden comes out and says the MAGA extremists are a threat to this country where she hears in the news all day about white supremacists and she genuinely internalizes and believes this is the world she lives in.
That's possible too.
But I also think that is still using our echo echo chamber worldview.
We know about political problems, so to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
We assume that political people must view the world this way, and if she does, that's the real reason, when in reality, it's like, dude, she's extremely high-profile, she gets people shitting on her all the time, maybe she's just, like, not in a good place.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe the pressure is a lot.
I can have a lot of empathy for that.
You know, I will point out again, I know it sounds random, but she did get engaged in April, and I think that the idea that she's moving forward with this high-profile relationship, she's already in Congress, like, where do I go from this pinnacle career?
I mean, people regularly include her impulse to become president, like, what if she is actually unhappy with where her life is?
She can't walk away from this, right?
tim pool
It was a big, big change.
Big jump.
Like people rag on her.
I think it was great that she was a bartender.
I think that the idea that a regular person can, you know, get a seat in Congress is fantastic.
I think it's stupid to insult her over it.
But imagine going from no public persona to being the one of the highest profile Democrats.
Yo, it is stressful.
ian crossland
One of the highest ranking officers on the Death Star.
The United States, the military machine is the Death Star.
And all these people working in Congress are serving on the Death Star.
So I understand her state of mind is broken because she's like, what am I doing?
What?
Like, that's just existential.
That's like underneath the content on top of what she's been feeling.
And this girl's tuned in emotionally.
She's like, we're talking about leftists are emotional, rightists are But she's very emotionally in tune with what she's feeling.
tim pool
Like with Mark Ruffalo.
He was asked, will you be the Hulk in the future?
And he goes, if the world allows it, and I'm still around.
The interviewer didn't follow up with, hold on there a minute.
Do you think you're going to die?
The interviewer here as well should be like, well, you're not going to be alive in September.
A good interview is going to be like, are you sick?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Are you depressed?
Or do you think the war is going to break out in a couple of weeks?
hannah claire brimelow
Especially if she's been on the verge of tears throughout this whole interview.
tim pool
Well, I don't know about the whole interview, it's like that.
hannah claire brimelow
Or at least that point, right?
If you're hitting emotional notes in an interview, and then this person's like, I might not even be alive in September.
You're not having a like, haha, we're joking around, I don't even know if I'll be alive.
You have to respond to the gravitas of what's going on.
She's only hitting with serious notes.
ian crossland
She's got a red-pilling, breaking moment right now.
I went through that in 2008 and I was suicidal I thought for sure like I gave up I thought oh the world like we've got the Federal Reserve as we've been under this system like there's no hope I had completely given up but I still wanted to have hope I had that other part of my brain like she's saying where I'm like I know everything's possible here's what I want y'all to do right now and just stop a second imagine someone sitting in front of you Think of a random person you know, crying, says to you, I might not be alive in a few weeks.
Well, why?
tim pool
Why?
ian crossland
The first thing I would say is why?
tim pool
Exactly.
The fact that she said this, it's like, again, we're approaching this from a political perspective.
Think about how you would feel if someone you knew told you that.
I feel like, yo, we need a doctor.
ian crossland
I'm the doctor right now.
I'm not a doctor, by the way, but tell me why.
At least, you know, let's start with friendship and then if it's unresolvable, maybe we'll get a psychotherapist.
tim pool
This is a crazy thing to say.
ian crossland
It's a crazy thing to not follow up on.
tim pool
Especially, like, where's the journalist in this one?
Wesley Lowry, what are you doing?
lydia smith
Okay, so journalists aren't mandatory reporters like you have in the hospital.
In the hospital, if somebody said something like this, yes, you are on suicide watch, you don't get to have any cords, you don't have any cutlery, you have to eat finger foods.
tim pool
Let's clarify that.
If in the hospital someone told you, I might not be alive in a few weeks, you would report them and... We would put them on suicide watch, which was supposedly what Epstein was on.
lydia smith
He clearly wasn't because he still had access to sheets.
You don't have access to anything.
amala ekpunobi
Right.
tim pool
When you get arrested, they take your shoelaces and your belt away because they don't want you to kill yourself.
ian crossland
Or someone else, I would imagine.
amala ekpunobi
I've had several family members Baker-acted and as soon as you say anything toward the lines of harming yourself, it's immediate.
You're being put in a facility and you're there until they feel like you're not a threat to yourself anymore.
hannah claire brimelow
She's making this comment to a journalist.
What is she saying to people she really trusts and knows?
That's disturbing to me.
tim pool
I think what you're going to hear is many on the left are going to dismiss this, downplay it, say it's the far right, because they would prefer she be in a desperate and dangerous position if it wins for them politically.
lydia smith
That's right.
They don't care about her.
amala ekpunobi
That's the sad part.
If she did go and do something to herself, the amount of people who would use it as a story and use it as a way to move forward their political agenda.
tim pool
Another possibility is she is a sociopathic narcissist who faked tears and said this to try and win brownie points in the media, believing to herself there's no real threat, and she's just a crazy person.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and if she is someone whose emotional spectrum is kind of off, she can perform emotions, she knows how to cry, you know, on cue, let's say, but she doesn't actually always feel the weight of her words.
You know, she can say, like, I might not even be alive and not know what the appropriate response would be.
Like, if she pictured someone in front of her saying, I might not be alive in September, would she respond with, like, we need to talk about that, are you okay?
Or would she respond with, like, well, I really need you to vote for me early then.
tim pool
I know what's going on.
lydia smith
What's going on?
amala ekpunobi
Tell us, Tim.
tim pool
AOC is likely depressed because of Instagram and TikTok.
hannah claire brimelow
I actually believe that.
tim pool
She's not getting enough likes.
We have this story from the Daily Mail.
Addicted to being sad, teenage girls with invisible illnesses known as Spoonies post TikToks of themselves crying or in hospital to generate thousands of likes as experts raise concerns over internet-induced wave of mass anxiety.
amala ekpunobi
This is real.
tim pool
It's true that young women are getting depressed because of Instagram and TikTok.
And as far as it goes with AOC, we were just talking about how she said she might not be alive in September, which to me is an indication of depression or severe, I don't know, what would you call it, like paranoia.
But I also think it's possible that, you know, she's in the limelight in this position.
If she starts putting out posts, like any other individual susceptible to depression from these platforms, and she's not getting the likes or the attention, she might get depressed.
And we're seeing this now with teenage girls across the board.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and she is one of the most followed, like, has the biggest social media presence of any member of Congress.
I mean, she has really cultivated her brand as being someone who is in touch with her followers.
She does updates through her Instagram Live and through Twitter and things like that, like, as well as shares her skincare routine and she sells fun merch.
Like, she is as much an influencer as she is a politician and public figure in so many ways.
tim pool
She's more an influencer.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, exactly.
And so in some ways, you know, I could see if she's won reelection and she's had this moment where she was sort of this fun golden girl for the left.
And if any of those numbers drop, like if she's getting 80,000 likes on a photo instead of the 110,000, she's gonna feel that burn so intensely.
The same way that, you know, teenage girls are susceptible to it too.
But like, it is not just her identity, it's also her career.
tim pool
You see this throughout the history of YouTube.
One day a popular YouTuber will make a video saying like, I can't do this anymore.
And then all you gotta do is look at the views for their past videos and you see them going down and then all of a sudden they snap.
So people, it's really amazing to me, I remember getting a message from someone, it happens all the time, and they'll be like, are your views down?
And then I'll be like, yes.
And they'll be like, dude, something's going on.
I'm like, it's called summer.
Summer happened, people went outside, calm down.
I see these trends all the time.
And there are people who, you know, You should promote global warming so they stay inside.
Well, I remember, you know, like two years ago, it rained for a week straight on the East Coast
across the board.
And then one day I got messages from people being like, dude, my views are cut in half, I'm panicking,
look what's going on.
I'm like, bro, the rain stopped.
Everybody went outside for the first time in a week.
Calm down, man.
But this is what happens to these young girls on social media.
They'll post a picture of themselves, get 100 likes, and go, ooh, 100.
The next day, they get 80.
They get depressed.
They panic.
Why aren't I getting likes?
They delete the photo and repost one.
Can I do better?
Can I do better?
Not realizing, bro, it's like 2 in the morning.
People are asleep.
Calm down.
hannah claire brimelow
I knew girls who would, when they traveled out of the country, they would time their Instagram posts to go up.
They'd, like, set alarm for, like, 3 a.m., so it was the correct time to post in America to get the maximum likes.
Like, I didn't even grow up with TikTok.
Like, this is crazy.
amala ekpunobi
Right.
And I think social media has really morphed, too, where not only are we seeking validation through the likes, but your depression and anxiety is affirmed through social media.
Social media used to be a highlight reel for people's lives.
You follow these influencers, but you know it's not real.
Like, they're in Hawaii, but they're probably arguing with their boyfriends behind the scenes, whatever the case may be.
Now, it's a trend to cry on social media.
It's a trend to show your panic attacks, and that gets you millions of likes.
hannah claire brimelow
Or having, like, anxiety coping.
Like, here are my anxiety copes, or here's my OCD copes, or here are these things that I think I'm doing that are actually very strange behaviors.
tim pool
Or misspelling words.
So, um, it's true that if you misspell a word in your title, you'll get more engagement
as people want to correct you.
So what happened is a bunch of YouTubers started intentionally misspelling words, like simple
typos, and then little kids who are watching it started misspelling the words that way
thinking it was spelled correctly.
Yeah, social media is melting the brains of humanity.
amala ekpunobi
Yes, and particularly young girls.
I did an episode one time, because I was scrolling on TikTok, I do have the app, regrettably, but I was scrolling through it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's part of your job.
amala ekpunobi
It is part of my job, but I kept getting videos of young girls who have Tourette's-like tics, and I kept getting them, and it's multiple girls, multiple girls, and I was getting recommended these videos, and upon watching them, found that several of them had the exact same tic.
So I started looking into this and doctors talking about it and they actually had doctors saying these girls are being
so heavily Influenced by a mix of anxiety and tick-tock. They are they
are developing functional neurological disorders that are real
That are real. They're not just puppeting and parroting.
ian crossland
They're actually developing these anxiety induced I'm a huge fan of video games, but man, we are tweaking our
brains with modern technology The emotional development that teenagers going through it
hannah claire brimelow
like part of being a teenager is looking at your peers around you and figuring out
What the social norms are so if you're only being fed people who are behaving in you know
Maybe they really do have Tourette's and they have an issue and they're trying to talk about it or bring awareness, but if you're constantly being served like, I have anxiety, I have depression, I have Tourette's, you are then trained to be like, maybe I do too, and you start seeing it anywhere because that's part of the emotional growth that teenagers are going through.
We should keep them away from this stuff.
It's not that we shouldn't talk about mental health or anything like that, but we don't need to shove it down their throats so constantly that they become paranoid they themselves have the issue.
ian crossland
One of the things that I've noticed is it's not so important how many followers you have, it's the quality of the followers.
Why are they following you?
Is it because they're really listening to what you're saying or is it because they want to laugh when you fall down?
I don't want those people following me.
And the problem with social media is just the number shows on your page, so they think more is better.
But then you get the direct subscribers.
This is where you start to realize the quality of the follower or the watcher or the viewer or whatever is much
better because you might Have 10,000 people paying you 10 bucks a month that he
might have 10 million people watching paying him nothing He's way worse off. You're way better off with less
followers more quality and Hopefully young women we can teach them that maybe through
direct They don't realize.
hannah claire brimelow
And they see the internet as the be-all and end-all.
There's, I don't remember what study came out, but most young people, like one of four, want to be social media influencers.
This is a whole new area of the world that they are completely devoted to, right?
And they will never have a break from it if that's the career they choose to pursue.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's an augmentation to your career, social media.
No one is just going to land on being a social media influencer, and that's it.
Because if your life is boring, no one's going to watch your social media.
You've got to do something cool with your life, and then the social media will be there to show everyone what you're doing.
hannah claire brimelow
Or you have to sell all of your personal information.
You have to, as a young teen mom, start talking about your past relationships.
Or, you know, as you get married, you have to give all the details of everything that's going on.
You have to sell who you are in order to please people, which is a really morally corrupt way of living.
tim pool
I remember when I was younger and, you know, like MySpace first came out and stuff like that.
We were on, I think it was like LiveJournal was first.
Yeah, Zynga.
Yeah, I was on CompuServe, you know, because my family had computers.
Then you got AOL.
Geocities, yeah.
Then with AOL, yeah, you had Geocities and other sites that you could make your own site.
Then eventually you got like LiveJournal.
Then you got Friendster.
You guys remember Friendster?
ian crossland
Hell yeah.
tim pool
And then MySpace.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And I remember Facebook came out and it was like all the cool kids started migrating to Facebook.
And I would see these posts from people that just looked so awesome and fun.
And I was like, how come they're doing all this really awesome stuff and I'm not?
And then, you know, it wasn't until later I realized like, oh, they weren't.
They were faking cool things so they could look cool.
And like that was their, it was marketing.
And so we end up seeing this highlight reel of their life of all the coolest things they've done, but they staged a lot of it.
They try to make it look as cool as possible.
They try to make their lives look like movies so that you're jealous of them.
hannah claire brimelow
My favorite is, I know girls who have, when they go through a breakup, right, they start posting on their Instagram or on their story all the time because they can't be the one that's at home and, like, sad.
They have to be busy and cool and having a great time.
amala ekpunobi
And their mind is somewhere else.
These people don't realize they're robbing themselves of their own actual individual lives for the sake of other people who are viewing from their bedrooms.
lydia smith
Yes, all they're giving away is their own time, which ends up being their lives.
And I do want to say, before we move on from all this AOC talk, she's talking about holding two completely different Views in her mind at the same time.
I think she's about to get red-pilled.
Change my mind.
ian crossland
That's what it feels like.
lydia smith
Hope I'm right.
ian crossland
I kind of went through something similar where I already mentioned this earlier.
hannah claire brimelow
Sorry, keep going.
ian crossland
I truly believed in the possibility of the human race, but at the same time seeing this insurmountable, you know, mountain of impossibility that I was up against and like, how the hell can I overcome a global monetary system?
hannah claire brimelow
But what if also a lot of things that she's been preaching are not working and she's having to reconcile the fact that like there are policies that she is vocally backed that she doesn't actually, she's not sure she supports.
She isn't just a person, she is a brand and identity that a lot of lefts want to cultivate in their own daughters.
Like she can't, we talk about this with Jazz Jennings sometimes, like There's nowhere to go from there.
Like, this person can only continue down this path, and that's scary.
AOC can't come out and be like, well, that one bipartisan bill seems kind of good, you know?
She can't, she has to continue down this path.
ian crossland
To get voted back in.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
And like, if she, she's gonna get married, right?
But if she gets pregnant, she's like, well, actually, I'm gonna leave politics because I want to be a mom.
That's anti-feminist.
Like, oh, you know, I have some questions about the way lockdown went, you know, maybe that's not so good.
She's anti-COVID.
You know, there is no escape for her, and in some ways I have sympathy for that.
amala ekpunobi
It's true.
You can't say I was wrong.
ian crossland
The most feminist thing you can do, Alex, is whatever you want.
Take control of your life, baby.
hannah claire brimelow
Such a liberating thing to have a favorite feminist at the table.
ian crossland
Have a baby, that's why I said it.
tim pool
Yeah, have a family and do whatever you want.
ian crossland
You can always do politics later.
tim pool
Yeah, there you go.
hannah claire brimelow
If you don't want to do it anymore, leave.
tim pool
Yeah, but I think like right now, the whole trend is not to have a family.
And it's like, you have to actually resist the current to have a family, which is the funniest thing.
You know, it's like, it's been a meme forever to have it all.
So the women who are like, you know, I decided I don't want to have a job and a career.
I want to raise children.
It's like, it's against the grain.
ian crossland
But it is massively feminist to do that to take control of your life if you want a baby.
hannah claire brimelow
But that's why I think they intercede.
I don't know, I mean, how many people you know who are feeling the pressure to decide in your early 20s that you actually don't want kids and make a permanent decision to go past that.
Like, they are trying to head south past because a lot of times you actually hear it from women who are in their late 20s or in their early 30s who are like, I thought the career was the most important thing, but I've reached this age and I actually would prefer to focus on my family.
And if you can prevent people from ever having that door, when they hit 30, they have to continue to stand by that they made the right choice to get a hysterectomy when they are 21.
amala ekpunobi
Wicked cycle.
Wicked cycle.
And then if you decide at 30 that you want a family but you don't have the man yet and you don't have the, you know.
unidentified
You're sunk.
amala ekpunobi
You're sunk a little bit.
tim pool
Also, I tweeted this.
Abortions increase the likelihood of miscarriage.
amala ekpunobi
That's true.
lydia smith
Entirely correct.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a very basic thing.
I saw the story from Jennifer Lawrence, and she was like Roe v. Wade and things like that.
And then I was like, look, if you support this stuff, like women need to be told this, that if you get abortions, so like, look, use condoms or whatever, try not to get pregnant.
But if you get an abortion, you are increasingly likely that when you're older, you're not gonna be able to have kids.
And that's because there's damage that's caused by it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the same thing with taking birth control for years.
Like, those have long-term effects on the bodies, but because it's seen as this revolutionary tool that helped many women join the workforce and gain control of their body, like, we're not supposed to criticize it.
And I actually think that sets us behind.
I've known a lot of women who have struggled with, you know, anxiety, depression, different things like that, and really had to push their doctors to be honest about the consequences of taking hormonal birth control.
It's scary.
amala ekpunobi
It's insane.
hannah claire brimelow
You can't even get accurate information because it goes against an ideology that we are supposed to be 100% behind.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah, we've just jumped into a culture that says, this is accepted.
Here's the thing you need to do.
Now do it.
hannah claire brimelow
And then 20 years later, when we have the ramifications of it, we're going to be like... And I wish women would hear that they are willing to sacrifice you and your personal choice and freedom and health to maintain this illusion that the ideology they pushed is worth Having a rest.
ian crossland
Dude, if you are willing to give up your power to medical tyrannists, they will take it.
amala ekpunobi
Happily.
hannah claire brimelow
But it's empowering, Ian.
If you take the birth control pill, it's empowering.
lydia smith
This is terrifying what you just said, Amala, because I think that this is exactly what's happening with the kids now.
So you know how, like, however many years ago it was birth control was, you know, unknown, but they still encouraged people to take it.
It was so easy for me to get on birth control, I had to, I like, half made up an excuse.
I was like, I'm 19, now it's time, I gotta figure this out, be smart or whatever.
And it was easy.
It was the easiest thing in the world.
And I'm terrified they're going to do the same thing with human hormones.
tim pool
Before we go to Super Chats, I want to give everybody an update on the song because it is now officially the end of the reporting period ended on Thursday.
And there's a bunch of really good news and a bunch of really fun news for those that are interested.
So the first thing I want to say is Only Ever Wanted, the song we released the 26th of August, is the number two most sold song in the U.S.
for the week of September 10th.
We could not beat Elton John and Britney Spears, but number two, with your help.
So we were the second most sold song in the country.
That's massive.
It's huge.
And the first song we officially released hit the charts, number 21 on rock and number 24 on hot rock and alternative.
And there's actually a bunch of others.
This is really funny.
So we're at number one alternative digital sales, number 24 hot rock and alternative, number 21 rock, number 28 in Canadian sales, number one in rock sales, number 21 on rock, and will of the people, which we released two years ago, hit number 17 in alternative digital sales, which is huge.
And I'll tell you exactly why this mattered.
And I was correct.
And you were as well.
I knew that invading the cultural spaces with apolitical content was going to trigger them to an extreme degree, and not only did they produce a bunch of videos ragging on the song, completely getting disproven.
They're saying, oh, the song is bad, and it's stupid, and we hate it, and...
It's got like 70,000 likes, 1.7 million, it's got tons of streams, number two digital song sales.
You can't lie with the billboard charts we objectively placed among some of the biggest songs in the country.
There are a bunch of bands that I'm a huge fan of that release songs all the time that never chart and I'm sure you know that exactly is the same thing but here's the best part.
Um, without getting into specifics, when our communications people started reaching out and saying, here's a song from Pete Parada, Tim Pool, and Carter Banks, they got so effing pissed.
No joke.
Who's they?
Industry press.
We're gonna, for the time being, until I can do a deeper assessment, not going to reveal the names of these individuals and the things they said, but they were legit.
F'ing pissed. I hate these people. F you like kind of stuff Refusing to write about it. I love it. It's like does your
bias to get someone preclude you from doing your job apparently
Well, here's the best part. They cannot ignore it There are tons of mainstream established rock bands that
don't chart when they release songs and oh we did So how long are they going to be able to hold out, ignoring the fact that we put out music that lands on all of their charts?
It's gonna get really funny when after the third time we chart, they're like, we're still not gonna write about this!
And then people start saying like, hey, wait a minute, man, that song on the radio you're not writing about?
Something's messed up.
ian crossland
The fifth hit that comes out will be, they'll, they'll, all of a sudden they'll write about it and be like, but we always loved Tim Pool.
We always loved Rock band or whatever the hell it's called.
unidentified
Good.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what's gonna happen.
tim pool
I hope that's the case.
The retconning.
So, uh, there are some issues with reporting on some of the numbers.
Just take a look at what happened with Tom McDonald when he talked about how his numbers weren't tracked properly and they wouldn't put him on Billboard and things like that.
We've, we've, we've, we've bumped into a little bit of that.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
But they can't deny it because sometimes the numbers are too much.
Based on the metrics we got and where we land on the charts, I am 100% confident that the next song we put out is going to chart substantially higher.
And they're not going to be able to ignore the fact that we are pushing into the cultural spaces they once owned and don't own anymore.
ian crossland
It might be the third hit when they start writing about it.
I said fifth, it might be the third one.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
I just, this is the point.
And so let me just say that behind the scenes, I'm talking with a bunch of other big companies and artists who have seen similar problems and are sick and tired of the woke cult controlling the establishment, controlling the arts.
And so we're talking and some fun and funny stuff is going to happen.
And then I'm, look, Number two on Billboard for sales.
And now what are they saying?
Sales don't matter!
Sales are- they don't matter.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, tell that to Nicki Minaj.
Tell that to DJ Khaled.
They're on the- look, we beat DJ Khaled God dead.
Now I get it, not everybody buys these days, but it's still one of Billboard's top charts.
Sales.
It matters.
And regardless of that, I'm not saying we came out with the Hot 100 number one hit.
I didn't expect we would get anywhere, to be honest.
A bunch of my favorite bands don't even make the charts, and we did.
They're really pissed off about it, and we're going to keep pissing them off, so thank you all so much for helping us do that.
And we're going to keep putting up music, and we're going to build that library, and we're going to be signing other artists, and we're going to go for people like, look...
The Daily Wire brought on Gina Carano when they cancelled her, and boy did the corporate institutions, they got all pissed off.
She was cancelled.
She wasn't supposed to be working and doing movies, now she's in a bunch of movies.
She's doing better than ever.
They're trying to keep you in fear, so that when you work for them, you don't speak out and you don't speak up because then you'll lose your job.
When we succeed at producing this, and we plan on moving forward signing more bands and producing more music, How long until another industry executive or an engineer or producer says, you know what?
I don't need to work for this garbage anymore because I can go work for any one of these other companies.
That's what we need to build.
And that comes from the success of the projects we're working on.
Do I think it's the greatest song ever written?
I don't know.
It's just a song we wrote and produced, but apparently it did well enough.
The next one we put out is going to be even better.
So thank you again, everybody, for your support.
And we'll see what happens with, you know, my attitude is I want to publish all the emails from these people so you can
see just how angry they are.
But maybe it's not a good idea, you know, I gotta say they're not my emails, we use a third party company, so not my
emails to share.
But what I'm hearing is there's like effectively saying F off and F you and they're very very angry about it.
ian crossland
It's kind of like an inoculation.
Someone gets a shot in the arm.
They're like, ow, that hurt.
But if you show everyone what a pansy they were when they got the shot, they're not going to like you in the future.
But after the inoculation, they feel better.
They're like, ah, OK.
tim pool
We're going to keep making music.
Sooner or later, one of the songs we make will chart very, very high, and maybe be a top 40 or something, and it's gonna be really funny when they finally, begrudgingly, with anger in their eyes, write, song by Tim Casson, good, and people really like it, for making me love again.
Uh-huh.
Maybe it won't be a song by me, it'll be a song by someone we signed, but the fact is, when we put out this music, and I'm gonna tell you guys how it works right now.
Let you in on some industry secrets.
So, uh, and I think the CPM for songs is like five bucks.
What is it, like five dollars for every thousand or something like that?
I could be wrong.
But, uh, when you're a band and you put out twenty years of music and you've got a hundred songs, you're not charting.
It's the volume that people across the board listen to music that makes you money.
So we're looking at this from a business perspective.
We're going to be able to produce music and make money.
That's the goal.
Now that it's looking like we're going to be able to make money doing this, we can sign a bunch of bands and build up a label.
And then we're going to take over the cultural institutions.
Thank you very much.
We'll start reading some super chats.
So smash the like button.
hannah claire brimelow
You're not even saying that in front of a podium with red light behind you.
amala ekpunobi
Not even as scary as we think it should be, but still moving.
ian crossland
Should have dimmed the lights while he was talking.
tim pool
Yes.
All right.
YouTube's giving me the business, but we're going to pull up some super chats if we can, because the thing keeps crashing.
So smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, all that good stuff.
Here we go.
Super chat time.
All right.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, I blame you.
I'm stressed.
Before you, I was ignorant to the evil set out to destroy us.
Now I daily wreck my brain.
How can I help?
What more can I do?
Though in the end, I effing love America.
TY for new eyes.
No, look, like, people are screaming that CNN is moving to the right or whatever.
They're calling for boycotts.
Yeah, we're winning.
They're thrashing about.
It may get bad, but the reality is we're winning the culture war.
Is everything I described with the music stuff?
Yeah, they're really mad about that.
I love it.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think it's fair to say that in some ways they are moving to the right because they were so far left and now, was it Chris Lish's name?
He was like, I don't want as much partisan, we have to get back to being center.
And so the criticism that they're moving to the right in some ways is true, although, like, not the way they're presenting it.
ian crossland
Moving to the center.
hannah claire brimelow
They're moving right to get right back to the center.
Like, it doesn't make any sense.
tim pool
I think we're winning.
I don't know.
amala ekpunobi
I think we are too, like how much more can this be sustained?
hannah claire brimelow
The complacency alarm goes off.
Don't say that too early!
amala ekpunobi
Guys, you still have to be active.
tim pool
Victory is when these corporations say, we can't do this anti-Trump stuff, it's hurting the business.
And CNN starts laying people off who are ideologically driven and not fact driven.
ian crossland
Then yes, we are winning.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And then that, if CNN goes moderate and actually starts reporting the news, Hey, I'll give them credit.
We gotta cheer on when they do good stuff.
Now, to be honest, I don't think they will.
ian crossland
I think they'll have to.
amala ekpunobi
They won't make money.
tim pool
That's the best part.
The right-wing grift that the left complained about all the time.
We mentioned the other day, business people are going, explain this?
You make money doing this?
This gives you money.
Yeah, let's invest in that.
ian crossland
I was thinking it's like the victory of a cultural battle, which isn't really victory, it's winning a battle, but what is the overall war score goal here?
tim pool
Individuality, freedom, personal responsibility.
People saying, it is up to me to work hard to live a better life and make a better future for my kids.
It's people saying, I'm not going to demand the government pay my bills, I'm going to do my best.
It's not about what my government can do for me, but what I can do for my government.
ian crossland
We gotta look out for corporations.
tim pool
What was I saying?
ian crossland
We gotta look out for international corporations that take that message of individual responsibility and highlight it on a show for the entire world to watch like slaves to like laud so that that if you've seen a black there's a black mirror episode where they do the stuff like that they will try and co-op the message of individual liberty as well and put it on a pedestal You know, they'll call up any message that services them and that people are willing to pay for.
unidentified
Yep.
amala ekpunobi
It's really that simple.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
Uncle Yoda says, Ian, I need you to wear a wizard suit for Halloween.
Anyways, y'all are doing a great job.
unidentified
Great idea.
I'm so into that.
tim pool
Yeah.
Murph Tries DIY says, does anyone recall when Dr. Chris Martinson said they'd be using lockdowns for climate change?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Yeah.
amala ekpunobi
Insert name here says NorCal here.
tim pool
Amazing.
Insert name here says NorCal here.
Tim, don't forget that Chairman Newsom also banned the sale of fuel-powered generators
and that motorcycles are included in the ban.
Amazing.
amala ekpunobi
Man, I saw a video of somebody trying to power up their electric car with an oil generator
unidentified
and it's just like...
That was real.
That was real.
tim pool
I probably should, I don't wanna give away too much, but we're working on a vlog episode script based on green technology failures.
So like the electric car having to be plugged into a generator, stuff like that.
We have some funny gags planned for it.
But there's an image going viral right now of a Tesla plugged into a gas generator or a diesel generator.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Amazing.
amala ekpunobi
Unbelievable.
lydia smith
Yeah, I believe it.
tim pool
Salty Duckling says y'all should do a doc miniseries with the Daily Wire called How We Got Here.
cover the left and right's perspective of the event leading up to today's political climate,
so we have a resource to show those we are trying to save.
9-11. It was 9-11.
ian crossland
That's the inciting incident.
tim pool
All Gamergate.
amala ekpunobi
It was all Gamergate.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Just Gamergate.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Oh man. Gamergate was what, 10 years ago?
lydia smith
Geez, don't say that.
ian crossland
Yeah, I wasn't paying attention when that happened, for real.
tim pool
Nine years ago?
amala ekpunobi
No.
tim pool
You were like 12?
amala ekpunobi
I was not paying attention.
tim pool
Probably playing hopscotch.
amala ekpunobi
I was still like in my little bubble, my little kid bubble.
tim pool
Yeah.
I guess who was it?
amala ekpunobi
I was literally 12.
unidentified
So, I was not concerned about Gamergate.
hannah claire brimelow
Not a joke for real.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's awesome.
ian crossland
Were you following it, Gamergate, when it happened?
tim pool
A little bit.
Yeah, I saw, you know, like Sargon, Carl Benjamin, and like Siwan Head.
ian crossland
Yeah, that was how I met, how I found out about him.
tim pool
Yeah, but I didn't know too much about it.
I did know that these companies were enacting this policy stuff because I was working for them, you know.
They were getting woke, going broke.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Ryan Miller says, missed the live show celebrating my first birthday as a father, but a late birthday gift to myself with a shout out to little Jackson Gilligan.
unidentified
Jackson.
amala ekpunobi
Jackson Gilligan.
hannah claire brimelow
Yay, fatherhood.
We love that.
unidentified
We do.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm here for it.
tim pool
Good, good, good.
San Oti says, bad thing is now on the Chrome extension store.
lydia smith
Bad thing?
tim pool
So, Bad Thing, it was the extension idea we had where basically you take negative words for the right, like fascist, and it just says bad thing.
lydia smith
I gotta look that up now.
That's a great idea.
hannah claire brimelow
Disrupting all the cultural institutions.
tim pool
You install the extension, it replaces all the words with bad thing.
amala ekpunobi
Wow, CNN would just be like, bad thing, bad thing, bad thing, bad thing.
lydia smith
Yeah, pretty much.
tim pool
Donald Trump likes bad thing and wants bad thing to happen.
amala ekpunobi
Why?
tim pool
Bad thing.
amala ekpunobi
Straight up.
tim pool
We want good thing.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That's Seamus' joke, by the way.
lydia smith
Yeah, I hope Seamus made it.
tim pool
Has he not done it yet?
I don't know.
Unsolicited says Crowder is sharing all of his parodies on Spotify for free this week.
Maybe we can make another cultural impact by downloading Seasons of Trump.
lydia smith
I saw that.
tim pool
I just want to tell everybody.
It's a lot.
It's for the big commentators.
It's not very difficult to get on these charts as long as you do it properly.
You got to make a good song, obviously, but It's not as hard as people realize.
You know, one of the things I think we're seeing is these book publishers are going to commentators and, you know, political figures and saying, can we do a book with you?
Because your brand will market and sell this book in a big way.
lydia smith
It's a brand.
tim pool
That's what you got to do.
We got to do with music.
We'll just go around to every person and get them a song.
There you go.
amala ekpunobi
It's true.
And it doesn't have to be like overtly political, like Tom McDonald and like the Bryson Grays, like your song wasn't.
And that's, I think, a beautiful thing about it, because it gives us a better view of just not being political all the time and everything.
tim pool
But that's why they're so pissed off.
amala ekpunobi
Right.
tim pool
So like, the political stuff doesn't bother them because they know where to put it.
And it's easy to be like, hey, look how far right that is.
amala ekpunobi
Yep.
tim pool
But when the song, so like, Only Ever Wanted is just a love and pain song.
So when regular people start hearing that, we're getting shazams, meaning people are hearing it and then wondering what it is and playing it.
Those regular people being, are falling into our sphere of influence, and it's pulling it away from the cultural institutions.
amala ekpunobi
Like he has a podcast?
unidentified
Exactly.
lydia smith
Click, tell me.
tim pool
And that's what they said.
You see the Daily Beast article?
amala ekpunobi
No, I didn't.
tim pool
They said that I'm trying to lure people into my right-wing world.
amala ekpunobi
The alt-right pipeline.
hannah claire brimelow
With your band with candy and alternative emo pop.
unidentified
I love it.
I love it.
tim pool
I told Seamus he's got to do a cartoon where I have like a pipe and I'm like bopping about and tooting and like people are following me and like... Towards a cliff.
Marching into the GOP convention.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening.
ian crossland
Sailing down the river on a raft.
That'd be awesome.
While you're playing the flute.
tim pool
So I want to say for the Castcastle vlog, I think if we put the whole thing on YouTube, we'd probably get banned for it.
Because Ian's running for union president and then something happens at 3am.
ian crossland
It's really good.
lydia smith
That's crazy!
hannah claire brimelow
It's not based on real events.
It's fictional.
Purely fictional.
ian crossland
Chris is amazing.
It was like his debut.
I mean, I know he's been working for a while, but he's really good.
tim pool
Ian was running for union president against Chris, and everybody voted, but there are employees who don't work here, so we had to wait for the absentee ballots, which came in at 3 a.m.
ian crossland
It's disturbing.
amala ekpunobi
The window's covered up.
tim pool
I bet everybody can figure out what happens next in the show.
lydia smith
So crazy.
tim pool
But it was a free and fair election.
hannah claire brimelow
Absolutely.
lydia smith
Can't question it.
tim pool
And then we have a cameo from James Lindsay who sword fights Roberto Junior.
ian crossland
That's on YouTube.
amala ekpunobi
Love it.
ian crossland
Right on the Cast Castle YouTube channel right now if you want to see James.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's funny because he was like actually showing us how to do sword fighting because James literally knows how to sword fight.
amala ekpunobi
Really?
tim pool
He does, yeah.
lydia smith
He's very talented.
hannah claire brimelow
You've got to be prepared, you know?
amala ekpunobi
You never know.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't want to leave behind as a skill.
tim pool
Amen.
amala ekpunobi
When the Civil War comes.
hannah claire brimelow
We don't know what weapons we'll have is the thing.
amala ekpunobi
This is true.
tim pool
Philip Reid says, Tim talking about making a tween pop song reminded me of Spose and his song Pop Song, which was about the big labels telling him he can't make what he wants and that he needs to make this instead.
You know that song Love Song by Sara Bareilles?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know the story of that?
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
I'm not going to write you a love song.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, I guess the story is the label said, write a love song, it sells.
And she was like, I don't want to.
And they're like, well, that's what sells.
So then she wrote, I'm not going to write you a love song because you asked for it or whatever.
amala ekpunobi
It blew up.
lydia smith
Good for her.
unidentified
Yeah.
amala ekpunobi
Stick to your guns.
lydia smith
That's right.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
All right, Denny Decibel says, Amala, have you come across David Barton and the Wall Builders Museum?
If so, what do you think?
If not, will you look them up?
amala ekpunobi
I will look them up.
Never heard of them.
unidentified
David, never.
tim pool
Pizza makes my belly hurt says, my aunt works for the DNC, came home from DC for a week.
We started talking and said, you need to work on your white privilege.
I looked her dead in the eye trying to hold in laughter.
We're from Syria.
Amazing.
amala ekpunobi
What a conflict.
tim pool
Paul Jones says, in reference to your comment about the left hating mixed race people, I can 100% confirm.
I'm biracial as well, and I'm always called an Uncle Tom because I don't say America is the worst.
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
But that's like, this is one of the things that really bothers me.
They're always like, oh, you won't say America is the worst?
Then you're an extreme opposite.
Like, it's to make you feel ashamed and move closer to their point by pushing you in the direction of the extreme.
amala ekpunobi
Anything that falls outside of it.
It's all or nothing.
tim pool
Waffle Sensei says the left only shows the strawman crazy people on the right, and the right only shows the strawman crazy people on the left.
It's orienting people to believe that everyone else is polarized and there is no middle.
How do we beat that thought?
False.
I do think it's true.
Um, to a great degree, but the left is, it's the rule, and the right, it's the exception.
Many people on the right only show the crazies on the left.
All of the prominent lefties only show or lie about the people on the right.
So, you know, for example, we've given praise to several people like Kyle Kalinske and, you know, Crystal Ball, for instance, were fans, and Jimmy Dore as well.
Highlighting Jimmy Dore, I think, is a great example of showing someone who's on the left, who has socialist policies, but calls out what is false and wrong.
Jimmy's an awesome dude.
But I guess we're middle of the road, I suppose.
But Tucker Carlson has Antifa on his show.
He used to have a lot more lefties.
Steven Crowder routinely tries to debate these individuals, not the craziest, the prominent figures.
amala ekpunobi
They won't do it.
We recently reached out to Anna Kasparian of the Young Turks.
She was talking about crime and this massive spike that's happening.
tim pool
I gave her praise for it!
amala ekpunobi
Same here, and we were like, we could have some common ground, I know we don't normally agree, would you wanna come on and talk about an issue that we can find common ground on?
She goes on The Young Turks, I hate PragerU, they're disgusting, they're garbage, I wouldn't go on their show no matter how much they pay me.
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
Crazy.
ian crossland
Dennis is a really balanced guy.
He's a good dude.
amala ekpunobi
He is.
ian crossland
All around, I don't know, a holistic dude.
amala ekpunobi
But they love to villainize him.
They love to villainize him, because he just fits the bill, you know, old white man.
That's all it is.
tim pool
Red Dragon Emperor says, didn't get to say this last time, but Cali would not benefit from nuclear power due to a drought.
Nuclear plants require one billion gallons of water per day.
Is that, it's freshwater?
If it is, the north of California has freshwater, it's the south that doesn't.
So, they could do it, I guess.
I didn't know about that.
amala ekpunobi
That seems like a lot of water.
tim pool
I don't know about a billion.
A billion seems like a lot.
But I'm not an expert, so I'm not going to tell you wrong.
I will say that it's the cooling system.
I mean, water comes in, we use water pressure.
You probably couldn't do salt because you'd get salt deposits.
unidentified
Yeah.
amala ekpunobi
And you need a constant stream.
unidentified
OK.
tim pool
Yeah.
amala ekpunobi
Makes sense.
tim pool
Yeah.
Unless they can do like a self-contained system that the steam goes in like an air conditioner or something like that.
ian crossland
And then the salt melts and they use the salt, the liquid salt as a heat storage device.
tim pool
All right, Ted Scannon says, love seeing Amala here.
And that girl can sing.
This may be off topic, but you should bring her in on a song.
Cheers, everyone.
unidentified
That's awesome.
tim pool
You do sing?
amala ekpunobi
I sing and play guitar, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I have a record label.
amala ekpunobi
I would love to.
unidentified
I don't know if you know, but we now produce music.
I would love to.
amala ekpunobi
I do write music, so yeah, that'd be fun.
tim pool
Let's do it.
What do you want to do?
Want to do, like, dance pop?
Like, you know, Britney Spears maybe?
ian crossland
Elton John maybe?
unidentified
No, I'm just kidding.
tim pool
Most of the top music is usually dance and hip-hop.
Because it's club music that's easily played.
unidentified
We could do that.
ian crossland
I just want to make a ballad.
hannah claire brimelow
What do you do normally?
amala ekpunobi
What's a good thing?
Pop.
I like country music.
I love just any good, strong ballad.
Oldies, jazz.
I love everything.
Everything.
tim pool
You want to write a song about your dog and your pickup truck?
amala ekpunobi
Hell yeah, brother.
hannah claire brimelow
Ending from Florida.
amala ekpunobi
I love you, brother.
unidentified
Florida lady.
tim pool
All right.
Mark Giudetti says, Tim will be too afraid to read this.
And I know he wrote that because he knew I would read it.
Ian speaks nothing but nonsense.
He should learn to talk a lot less.
You see, he tricked me because he wanted me to say that.
But Ian had a bunch of 20s tonight, so.
ian crossland
Careful with the all-or-none rhetoric.
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't like that.
ian crossland
Doesn't usually work.
tim pool
I gotta say, though, the rolling ones and 20s was spot-on.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's too extremist for me.
I need more 7s in my life.
tim pool
You do.
unidentified
Or 13s.
ian crossland
But that was your joke.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm holding this crazy 100-sided dice.
tim pool
You're like, I either roll a 1 or a 20, and everyone's like, that's actually a good point.
Like, sometimes Ian nails it, like, wow.
ian crossland
I gotta wait for my moment and then either come in hot and slice through it like butter
unidentified
or I crunch on the surface.
tim pool
Frieza says 30,000 people watching in this video isn't trending.
Not listed on any lives, and not the top search for Tim Pool, damn.
hannah claire brimelow
Makes me feel like a real hipster, you know?
We have this cool thing going on, but no one knows about it.
ian crossland
It's a subculture.
hannah claire brimelow
I finally get to be counter-cultural.
tim pool
We are.
amala ekpunobi
We have a cult following.
tim pool
The 11th, I think, the last I checked was the, TimCastIRL is the 11th biggest entertainment live podcast on YouTube.
lydia smith
No big deal.
tim pool
And the 16th most super chatted, or maybe the other way around, I think it's the 11th most, I'm not sure.
hannah claire brimelow
It's top performing.
lydia smith
It's great.
amala ekpunobi
Huge.
tim pool
Yeah, so in terms of live performance, we are the biggest, like the 11th biggest or whatever, or 16th biggest.
But we're competing against anime waifus and things like that.
So in terms of a real sit-down human conversation podcast, I think we are the biggest live.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, probably.
tim pool
But live.
When it comes to like... So here's another issue.
Episode per episode, we're not the biggest, but it's because we do five episodes per week.
Many of their podcasts do one per week, and they'll get a million hits in that one week, whereas we get, you know, like 10 million or something per week, but it's split up against all the other episodes.
amala ekpunobi
Right.
tim pool
Yep.
So if we did one per week, all those views would concentrate and we'd jump in the- I wonder if politics is the wrong path.
ian crossland
I mean, I know you study it during the day.
tim pool
This is an entertainment show.
ian crossland
Yeah, it is entertainment.
I try and make it entertainment, personally.
But we have things like EU riots in the title of this video, so that's probably why it's not being shown and trending and stuff.
And if we were just talking about, like, Ally McBeal's butt and crap like that.
tim pool
Pop culture crisis exists for that reason.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't like trash either.
tim pool
3pm every day of the week.
It's not trash.
ian crossland
No, I don't like talking about Allie McBeal's butt.
Brett's a genius.
Anything he does is good.
hannah claire brimelow
So I think part of it is like, if we only chase, like, how can we stay trending and how can we do this?
We're also feeding the exact same, you know, comply with what YouTube wants.
Like, I'm really grateful that we're able to talk about things that we're all interested in, but also not have to be like, well, we can't talk about that because like, then we won't Trend or whatever.
I'm grateful that this has grown past that point because I'm sure in the beginning it was extremely helpful to trend.
I mean, it's a big deal.
tim pool
This show started off as more entertainment.
It got more political because politics became pop culture.
But this show is still and always has been listed as an entertainment, not news and politics.
And that's because we bounce around on cultural issues.
It's cultural politics.
So it's tough.
You know, I don't know.
ian crossland
And it's tough to ignore crazy shit in the world.
Like, it's happening.
And if someone doesn't talk about it, that's a big problem.
tim pool
But I think, you know, there was a question we had about whether it's news or entertainment, and that news would be less jokey, less trolly, less silly, and very straightforward and very stodgy.
Like, NPR podcasts would be a news podcast.
So, you know, this is more conversational, more entertainment than... Personality-driven.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah, rather than news-driven.
tim pool
Yeah.
Because I think if we went, if we labeled ourselves as news, we'd probably be the top news podcast.
unidentified
But it's like, you know, like... We don't like labels.
tim pool
Well, it's just that you listen to like the New York Times Daily News Brief, and I'm like, that's a news podcast.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, they're like, today in the news, this is what happened.
It's like, oh, well, John, I talked to somebody and they said this.
It's like, we say silly things.
hannah claire brimelow
And I feel like I contrast a lot with the work that we do on the newsroom side of things, where we try to be really accurate and devoid of opinion.
We try to present things whereas this show is more fluid and it has a different purpose and people come to it for a different experience.
unidentified
Right.
amala ekpunobi
It's like Daily Wire has their journalism, but they have their personalities, you know?
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Buck Nukle says, Tim, there's a Democrat county official here in Vegas who is being accused of stabbing a journalist in front of his home.
The journalist had ousted him, by the way.
RIP Jeff German.
I saw that story.
lydia smith
Dude, wild.
tim pool
Crazy dude, right?
amala ekpunobi
I did not see that.
lydia smith
You know.
Good times over there.
tim pool
Augusto Mimoche says, a well-trained horse won't move if you just set the lead of their bridle on the ground because they've been trained that it hurts to pull on.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
Yeah, they're like elephants.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
It's really funny, like, I don't want to say too much, but some of the reactions from these journalists, they're just really, really angry that Pete Parata is succeeding.
ian crossland
He's so good.
tim pool
Well, outsiders and people who push back on the authority, you know, I'll put it this way.
If you're somebody who is really, really angry that you were forced to get the vaccine for your job, and then you find out other people are succeeding and they didn't, you're probably really angry.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's fair.
tim pool
You're like, but I had to do it, why don't they have to?
There's that video where the guy's in the store, and he's like, is anybody else mad that we have to wear masks and she won't?
That's exactly it.
lydia smith
Yep, nailed it.
ian crossland
I feel for like a generation of people that are about to figure out what it means to take an experimental medicine.
And there's gonna be another level of compassion that we need to exert.
tim pool
Well, there's a lot of things Let me just go back in time to thalidomide.
That's what it was, right?
unidentified
Yep.
Thalidomide.
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah.
You know that, Ian?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
Birth defects in kids.
It was like an anti-nausea medicine.
tim pool
I only bring that up to say one simple thing.
The best we can do is find doctors that we trust.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So my recommendation to people is if you're having issues and you don't trust your doctor, you better just find a good one.
ian crossland
Like, experimental medicine, this is what I don't like about COVID, is that two weeks to slow the spread, that was the experimental moment.
Is it going to kill humanity?
Are we going to be bleeding out of our eyes like the stand?
And we weren't.
And then for whatever reason they went forward and pushed experimental medicine anyway.
And I'm like, We did the shutdown to find out.
hannah claire brimelow
Ian, we have to flatten the curve.
You don't understand.
ian crossland
Slow the spread.
hannah claire brimelow
Flatten the J. I really stand by my comparison to Pavlov's dog.
They wanted to push as many buzzwords that will elicit an immediate response from people.
No matter what the issue is, they'll just go back to these catchphrases so that you will comply.
tim pool
And at this time, they put out these news articles in the New York Times like, the Earth is healing.
And a lot of people predicted they'll do the same thing for climate change.
And it looks like that's where we're going.
unidentified
Exciting.
Let's read this.
hannah claire brimelow
I want to read a different article that's like, the family is healing because they're allowed to spend time together again.
tim pool
There you go.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
Matthew Stockhausen says, just wanted to say today is my daughter Camilla's first birthday.
In the past year, she has been the perfect angel.
Only issue was an RSV scare when she was three months old and was hospitalized for three days.
Smiling the whole time.
hannah claire brimelow
Too bad, not her fault.
unidentified
Well, all right.
amala ekpunobi
Happy birthday.
tim pool
Someone, uh, Johnny Hickson gave us a big red thumbs up.
Well, alright.
hannah claire brimelow
I love when dads brag about their kids.
I think it's so cute.
lydia smith
It's adorable, yeah.
tim pool
Pablo Papano says, sounds like AOC regrets not being married and having kids.
lydia smith
She does, doesn't it?
amala ekpunobi
She's getting on that train, isn't she?
hannah claire brimelow
No, she can't, because she's a feminist.
amala ekpunobi
She can't.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't want to be too mean to feminists but like I do think that there is this like am I making the right decisions and I think it has to do with policy but I do think the the article is interesting she says like that it was her partner who was like I want to get married by the end of 2022 and she was like I don't know how I feel about that but I don't know that she could have told this article as like the head of feminism Yeah, I really want to get married.
I want him to propose three years ago.
lydia smith
This is exactly what I talk about when I say I think she's about to get red-pilled because she's about that age.
She's about my age and she's probably like, oh yeah, I should really have a family right about now.
tim pool
There was a story I saw earlier, a study came out saying that having kids makes you more conservative on all these different issues, and I'm like, yes.
Surprise, surprise, people are no longer in favor of abortions for the most, like many people, lose their favorability towards abortion when they have kids.
And then there's a lot of women who are like contemplating and had their kids and said, wow, I'm really glad I didn't do that.
It's the weirdest thing that it's like, There's like these laws that say if a woman wants to get an abortion, someone has to counsel them on this stuff.
Because so many women have their kid and then are grateful that they did, that it's really creepy that you have to try and stop someone from explaining that to them.
Like, why?
If they don't want to have an abortion because someone made an argument, let them not have the abortion.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah, what did Elizabeth Warren say?
She said, like, these crisis pregnancy centers are torturing women, is what she referred to it as.
unidentified
I think that's insanity.
tim pool
You take everything that's happening right now from the Democrats and the left, and the end result is less people.
So whether you want to believe there's a conspiratorial depopulation agenda, doesn't matter.
Intent is irrelevant.
Their actions are leading to it.
They sterilize their kids, they abort their kids, they advocate for not having kids at all, and now they're cutting the electricity and they want to get rid of fossil fuels.
All of that will result in less food, less people, less babies.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, when you hear these conversations with people being like, oh, I'm choosing not to have children or I'm going to, you know, get sterilized.
tim pool
Baby formula shortage.
hannah claire brimelow
One of the things they say is like, I don't think I could do it.
How could I afford it?
How could I find, like, yeah, I would be stressed too if I didn't think I had, I was resourceful enough to figure it out.
You know, like they're told to put their needs over everyone else's.
And then also it seems like it's impossible to even take care of yourself, or at least that's what they're told.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I could understand the campaign that's going on.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
tim pool
All right, let's see where we are with some... Paul Thongam says you should watch season 2 of Legion.
It's a spin-off of X-Men.
Just for the cold opens, they talk about psychology and... what does that say?
Phycology?
And a lot of the cold opens talk about how you can... about... talk about you can see happened in real life.
Oh, cool.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Like psychedelics and stuff.
Zakenin says, AOC credit the border fence looking at an empty parking lot.
She's an actress for her audience.
amala ekpunobi
That's the thing you kind of have to take into account.
She did that at the border fence.
She did the whole, I thought I was going to die on January 6th when she wasn't in the building in question.
hannah claire brimelow
Tax the rich dress.
amala ekpunobi
She did the tax the rich dress.
She cried about the state of where her grandmother was living in Puerto Rico without helping her.
There's like so many things that have sort of lumped up as far as her being pretty dramatic.
lydia smith
That's true.
tim pool
Waffle Sensei says, do not accept them not including your YouTube views.
Every other artist in the world promotes their own material.
Not everybody likes every song, but the people bought your music.
The issue is, so we haven't got an official response yet, but before we made sure that we were doing everything properly so that they could not try and exclude us, And we got some responses from the official tracking companies saying, like, here's what you got to do and you're good to go.
And we're like, all right.
And now they're like, well, it wasn't uploaded properly in a way that we can actually track the data.
Really?
And then I'm like, OK, we'll self-report, right?
How else was it reported before the internet?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Can't I just give you the document?
Here's our analytics.
Here's the data from the back end.
And that should be enough?
They might say yes.
So that's why I'm not, you know, look.
We did this totally independently with no idea what we were doing.
It's entirely possible that we just screwed up.
Fine, whatever, that's fine.
You know, the next song we put out is gonna be even bigger then.
It is what it is.
I'm not gonna start this by going to war before we have a chance to like, you know, basically push this through.
The fact that we've made the charts already is like, fine, exclude YouTube, we'll figure it out, but we're already there.
Every song we put out will end up charting, period.
And that's gonna be, I mean, that's kind of a crazy thought to be honest.
ian crossland
Yeah, really, what does that say for the state of the music industry right now?
Either we're really great or something's really wrong.
tim pool
I mean, look, for a lot of the big established mainstream music artists, they always chart.
Always.
But most music you'll listen to, most of it, never charts.
And that's the crazy thing to me, that a lot of the songs that I'm really into, the bands that I like, well I'm not going to name any bands because I don't want to talk about their analytics and stuff like that, but very few songs actually make it to the charts.
They just put out a ton of music, people find it, buy the albums, and then over a long period of time they make money off of it.
amala ekpunobi
Right, because charting is about like a small finite period of time and how many views you get in that moment or buys you get in that moment, right?
tim pool
So it's like sales and also streams is like different charting methods.
So the Hot 100 is like just the best.
I think if they included our YouTube views, we would have hit the hot 100.
Based on the other bands that were there and the comparable metrics, I think so.
Like we sold better than a lot of bands that are high up.
But obviously we wouldn't do better than the club music that's getting like a hundred million plays
or something like that, but that's whatever.
The top albums sell like hundreds of thousands, but I think the top alternative albums sold like 50K,
which is kind of crazy.
The way it works is you get six months of pre-orders.
Then, all those pre-orders drop your opening week, and they're counted as your first week sales, which is total BS.
That's nonsense.
You know what I mean?
Like, you release the album, how many albums did you sell?
Well, for whatever reason, they say you can six months in advance sell albums, and that counts as the first week release.
So when you see a band say, like, we sold 50,000 albums, and it's like, yeah, over six months.
amala ekpunobi
Right.
tim pool
Congratulations.
I mean, they used to sell way more back in the day, now they don't.
I'm fairly confident, actually I will say this, I know for a fact, that if we did a pre-order on our album with a six month lead time, we'd probably hit the Billboard 200 at the top.
We'd probably sell a couple hundred thousand.
Based on the amount of sales we already had.
ian crossland
That's without listening?
They're just buying it because they have faith that it's going to be awesome?
Or do they get a sample of the song or something before that?
tim pool
No, I don't know.
So, you know what?
I'll just tell you guys.
We sold 12,500 songs in one week.
That's number two.
So, if you can sell 12,520-some-odd songs in one week, you'll be number two in digital sales.
ian crossland
Who got number one?
That was Britney?
tim pool
Elton John and Britney.
ian crossland
How many did they sell?
Did you get that number?
tim pool
Based on the metrics, I think they probably sold 25 to 30.
Okay.
ian crossland
They're some of the most famous musicians in the world.
tim pool
I mean, it's a lot.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's her first song post-conservatorship.
tim pool
Yeah, that's a big thing, too.
If you're a new artist, like, selling 12,500 songs is not an easy task to do, you know, and so I really do appreciate everybody who supported us, but we have, like, we have fans of the show, we have fans of the content we produce who supported us, and so it's a mix of general support, political support, and people who genuinely like the music that we've produced, but I will just say that if that's the case, if what we can pull off in one week, Let's say we sold an album six months in advance.
We have 24 weeks?
Yeah, we'd have a top-charting album.
ian crossland
I don't want to do that, though.
I don't want to sell songs without them being out.
tim pool
That's why I thought the pre-order stuff is so dumb.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, we're going to put out a song, I think, three weeks from now.
That's the plan.
We're waiting to hear back from our industry guys so we can make sure they can't exclude anything at this point.
ian crossland
I guess people like the song, they can sign up for the next one, get on the pre-order list for the next one.
amala ekpunobi
Yeah, right, right.
tim pool
All right, we'll just grab one more here.
Fleeting Floating Feather says, Tim, sing Punch-A-Nazi.
What a really great song.
Punch-A-Nazi.
It was a parody of Paparazzi by Lady Gaga by Chris Ragon, and he took the video down.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
ian crossland
Inciting violence.
tim pool
He took it down because I think the reason is that he's scared of the left and bowed out and tried to get away from the culture war or something like that.
lydia smith
That's what it felt like.
ian crossland
I didn't like that punch of Nazi movement.
tim pool
And then he was making fun of it.
He was mocking the idea that to the left, everyone's a Nazi.
And then I guess some leftist told him that he was helping Nazis, so he said, okay, and he took the video down.
Crazy.
It was a great song.
hannah claire brimelow
It was a killer song.
If you don't punch them, you're helping them.
tim pool
My friends, if you haven't already, You can check out our music on Spotify, search for Timcast, and there's two formal official songs, Will of the People and Only Ever Wanted, with several more to come.
We've got Bright Eyes, we've got, what do we got?
I think we're calling it Lockstep because genocide is not a good marketing term.
lydia smith
No?
tim pool
We've got Eyes of Advice, we've got A Million to One.
A lot of these songs you can already see, like, because we played, we jammed them before, words in a book, all of these things are getting ready for release, so thank you all so much for the support.
Smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, we're gonna have a members-only show coming up.
You can follow me at TimCast IRL, you can follow the show at TimCast IRL, you can follow me at TimCast.
Amala, do you want to shout anything out?
amala ekpunobi
Oh, yeah, you can check out my stuff by typing in Amala Penobi on any platform, I know that's a mouthful, but you can try.
Also, I'll be at PragerU.com if you're worried about censorship.
I'll be.
hannah claire brimelow
Cool.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should go there every day and click on the read tab.
You can follow me on Instagram at HannahClaire.B.
ian crossland
And I'm Ian Crossland.
Get me at iancrossland.net.
Again, check out Cast Castle on timcast.com.
Sign up.
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You click it.
Episode three.
Happy to do it.
Happy to see it.
unidentified
Bye.
lydia smith
That's right.
Cast Castle is not the only other show we have.
We also have Pop Culture Crisis, which I was supposed to be on today, but I went and got my cast changed.
We're all signing it.
Look, it's really awesome.
I have, oh, you can't even see it.
Oh, I wanted to show everything.
Everybody's signing it, so I will be on tomorrow on Pop Culture Crisis, 3 to 5 p.m.
Eastern Time.
You guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com, at sarahpatchlids, as well as sarahpatchlids.me.
tim pool
Somebody asked, where's the video game?
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
In production.
We actually play it fairly often downstairs, because the development version's available, and it's a collaboration with Seamus, so I guess it's a Freedom Tunes video game, basically.
amala ekpunobi
It's all Freedom Tunes style.
tim pool
Yeah, and the story is amazing.
And it's like passively political.
But the character you play is not political.
And it's like, I don't want to say too much.
Maybe we'll come up with a marketing plan for what we can announce about the game and shows.
We've shown off some of it already on the vlog, and on Instagram, where it's like your little guy and you're, you know, in a skyscraper.
So it'll be fun.
Anyway, thanks for hanging out.
Head over to TimCast.com.
We'll see you all over there in about an hour.
And thanks for hanging out.
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