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Timcast IRL - Alex Jones Ordered To Pay $4M, Biden Declares MONKEYPOX Emergency w/James Lawrence
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tim pool
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you dollars in his ongoing defamation damages trial.
The reason I say it's a defamation damages trial is because Alex Jones never actually got a real jury trial.
He was found in default, according to the judge, to the court.
He did not comply with discovery.
According to Jones himself, he did.
So this is a particularly interesting case.
They considered a rare ruling that a judge just simply said, nah, you lose, moving on.
And now the jury says 4.1 million, which is also interesting because, you know, as much as it's bad for Alex Jones, I mean, the dude is very, very wealthy.
He can probably easily pay that.
But the big news comes tomorrow when they assess punitive damages.
I heard a lot.
Some people are saying can be upwards of $9 million 8.8 or something like that.
Other people have said for we will see tomorrow.
But there's a lot we need to break down with this case.
And it is very interesting.
And the other big news.
Joe Biden has declared a monkey pox health emergency.
Okay.
This one's gonna get nasty.
I'm sorry.
Just be prepared.
We're gonna be talking about the news.
We're gonna do our best to keep things, you know, family-friendly.
But this is a really, really insane story, what's going on with Monkeypox in this country.
I'm sure most of you know.
So we'll get into that.
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and joining us to talk about this case with Alex Jones, which will be interesting because
this good sir is a lawyer, is James Lawrence.
james r lawrence-iii
Hey, great to be here.
Thank you for having me.
tim pool
Do you want to give people a little bit of information about who you are?
And you know, you were in the news recently.
james r lawrence-iii
Sure.
So I am a lawyer at Envisage Law in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Been practicing there since I left the Trump administration in January of 2021.
I had the opportunity to serve in the Department of Health and Human Services in the immediate
Office of General Counsel and was outgoing Chief Counsel of the Food and Drug Administration,
the FDA, under President Trump.
tim pool
And then you recently, you're actually involved in a bunch of lawsuits pertaining to Vax mandates
and also you were representing Alex Berenson in the Twitter lawsuit.
james r lawrence-iii
That's right.
I was Chief Counsel for Alex in his lawsuit against Twitter, which recently settled.
tim pool
Well, we'll talk about all that.
We also have Mary Morgan of Pop Culture Crisis.
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Hello.
mary morgan
I'm happy to be back, everyone.
My name's Mary.
I co-host Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube.
It's a daily live show where we talk about entertainment news and celebrity drama and movies, all that good stuff.
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ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Ian Crossland here from iancrossland.net.
I'm very happy to be here.
Nick Koenig, Super Chat.
My favorite Skyrim character is a rogue that dual wields daggers.
Just to get that out of the way in case.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
Super Chat.
For now, it is.
I like to play on Legendary difficulty with, uh, with like, um, sneak attack survival mode.
So there's no, there's no fast travel and it's really hard.
It like fighting one guy becomes, yeah, sneak attacks.
tim pool
Have you played the VR Skyrim?
ian crossland
Negative.
tim pool
It's so much fun.
ian crossland
It looks good.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The bow and arrow.
ian crossland
I see people like, you can grab NPCs and bend their head and stuff, like it's getting crazy.
Yeah, dude, yeah.
tim pool
Right on.
And Lydia, of course, on vacation, so Chris is here handling the show.
ian crossland
Hey, what's up, everyone?
tim pool
All right, let's jump into that first story from Law & Crime.
Texas jury finds Alex Jones must pay more than $4.1 million to Sandy Hook victim's parents for calling the massacre a giant hoax.
This story is absolutely insane.
First, they say this is far lower than the figure parents had asked them to award $150 million in damages, which their lawyer found a fitting penalty for Jones's decade of deceit.
December will mark the 10th anniversary of the massacre.
The jury, which reached the verdict on the first day of deliberations, has yet to award punitive damages and will return on Friday to consider that unresolved matter.
Yeah, it is.
size of the award has been an issue at trial as the judge issued a rare default judgment
against Jones before trial for failing to comply with his discovery obligations.
james r lawrence-iii
That's not that's weird, right? You're a lawyer. Yeah, it is. It's not something you see a
lot in litigation. Typically, if there are disputes between parties on discovery. So,
for example, if a plaintiff or a defendant is seeking documents or answers to interrogatories
or other questions and discovery, there's a process that you go through, right?
The counsel for both parties confer with one another.
They try to understand what the disputes are.
And ultimately, the parties go to the court and ask the judge to weigh in on whether or not to order the party to produce those documents.
And I'm not familiar with the specific details of Alex's case in the procedural history of how the default judgment happened, but it is a rare thing
for a court to not provide any sort of intermediary sanction. Right. Less than
default, which would be negative inferences, perhaps from an evidentiary standpoint
or other sanctions that the court might levy, but not going straight
to a finding of liability.
tim pool
Do you think Alex Jones can appeal this and potentially win?
james r lawrence-iii
Potentially, there's a ground for appeal, for sure.
If, again, and not knowing what the Texas state court precedents are.
Uh, right now, but there in theory, yes, would be a, uh, a basis to appeal the finding of, of liability, which is the threshold finding for, uh, the damages that flowed out today in the $4 million or so verdict.
tim pool
So this is the story from NPR.
Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones ruled liable in Sandy Hook defamation case.
This is from November 15th, 2021.
They said a Monday ruling from a Connecticut court which found Jones and other defendants liable for defamation brought swift reaction from an attorney or any of the families.
Now, this is a Connecticut court.
The story about the $4 million is a Texas court.
non-compliance the discovery process as the reasoning behind the ruling. Bellis
noted that the defendants failed to turn over financial and analytics data that
were requested multiple times by the Sandy Hook family plaintiffs. Now this is
a Connecticut court. The story about the four million dollars is a Texas court. I
know that he's got other defamation cases coming from these parents but the
reason I bring up that story I believe it's it's the same one but I'm not
entirely sure.
What I know is that, or what I can say, Alex told me they comply with everything, but no matter what they gave, they were told they weren't complying.
I'm not saying you need to believe Alex Jones.
I'm just saying that's what he's asserting.
Now the question I have is, if a court orders you to hand something over that you don't have, and then issues a ruling in default, like what do you do?
Let's operate from the assumption that Alex Jones did comply with Discovery as he claims, and they rule in default anyway.
What do you do?
james r lawrence-iii
Oh, you go to the court and you explain all the things that you did to produce documents.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
james r lawrence-iii
You try to create, you show the court, for example, if you're searching for documents across a corporation, for example, what search terms you used, how you searched for documents, how you collected them and ultimately produced them.
You know, you offer the opportunity for somebody to come and do a forensic analysis to make sure you're not hiding something, right?
Those are the steps that you could go through to sort of prove that you've complied with your obligations.
But that doesn't sound like that opportunity was provided in this particular case, which, again, is going to potentially raise uh, uh, appealable issues.
tim pool
So I wonder if this is just political, you know, $4 million.
I'm just going to come out and say it for Alex Jones.
He said in trial, something like anything more than 2 million would
like damage the company or something.
I don't believe it.
I think a $4 million ruling, Alex probably left, got in his car, and then went, yes!
Because a lot of people are posting on Twitter, this may as well have been a victory for Alex, $4 million, because he makes so much money.
Now, he doesn't make as much money as he used to, which is another big element of this trial, of this case, is that they're trying to claim people are just... It's so frustrating dealing with, you know... People are saying, in the trial, they said Alex Jones made $165 million in sales.
Wow, Alex Jones made $165 million.
No!
That's gross!
What's the net?
What's the profit?
What's the take-home after taxes?
Like, how much money does men actually have?
A lot.
That's why I'm saying, like, yeah, four million sucks.
But for someone as well-off as Alex, as big as his empire is, he could probably pay that.
ian crossland
How long do they take to pay that?
Do they give him, like, a year?
tim pool
Every month?
ian crossland
Does he have to make payments?
Is it a bulk payment?
tim pool
People don't know anything about this stuff.
He's probably never going to pay them.
Like, there was a viral post, there was a post on Reddit, and then they were like, I think it was related to OJ Simpson.
They said, you know, it was a $30 million wrongful death lawsuit.
He's only paid like $100,000 after like 30 years.
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
Because you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.
Oh.
What are you gonna do?
james r lawrence-iii
Yeah, and people arrange their assets in ways that can be advantageous in that regard.
I think the Enron executives, right, in the 2000s who had multi-million dollar verdicts that were levity against them who bought large houses in Florida, if I'm not mistaken, or if I'm remembering correctly, because essentially they could put their assets into a home that couldn't be levity against to collect against a judgment.
tim pool
Yeah, they can't take your house from you, can they?
james r lawrence-iii
It depends on what state you're in in terms of how far a judgment creditor can go to collect against you.
Like I said, I think in the case of the Enron executives, there are special rules in Florida that That allow people to put their assets into homes.
tim pool
Weren't they like buying like a hundred million dollar house and then being like, sorry, I'm in bankruptcy, you can't take my home from me.
james r lawrence-iii
I don't remember if it was that much, but it was big houses and lots of money.
ian crossland
And then when they start a bunch of home renovations, they just start the renovations, and they're like, sorry, all the money's out, even though it hasn't been built yet.
james r lawrence-iii
I don't know.
tim pool
It's easier than that.
I mean, here's one thing you could do, right?
Let's say you want to engage in corrupt behavior.
Let's say you have plans to be corrupt, and you know that you can't take the money from an organization.
Say, like, I don't know, you're an elected official.
unidentified
Under Obama.
tim pool
And you want people to pay you for favors.
So you'll create something called like a global foundation.
And then as let's just say your secretary of state or something like that.
ian crossland
Under Obama.
tim pool
Under Obama.
Yeah.
And then and then all of a sudden hundreds of millions of dollars are pouring into your
foundation which is unrelated to you.
Right.
You know that's one way or or or let's say you want to do large private equity deals
with China but you are an elected official.
So you have your son fly on the government plane with you just hypothetically of course
and then share bank accounts with him.
Even though I have no idea how that works legally.
But share phone numbers.
That way, if you were the one communicating, you can always just say it was your kid.
And that way, you know, you can try and cover up.
Those are things that somebody might do.
Actually, just for the sake of clarity, I'm literally referencing what Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton have been accused of doing.
In no way trying to encourage people to engage in any of those behaviors.
ian crossland
Right, the Clinton Foundation.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
Took a lot of money.
tim pool
And then when she lost, all of a sudden the Clinton Foundation stopped getting, like, money just dried up, and just... And then they disbanded it, and now it's back?
unidentified
Is that right?
tim pool
Yeah, they were like, hey, we're gonna win again, or something like that.
ian crossland
When you said that one thing, Alex, or someone that feels like they've been wronged by the process can go to the court and see if they can rectify, like, discovery or whatever, is the court just basically the judge in this case?
james r lawrence-iii
It is the judge, right, right.
So if you have a discovery dispute, You try to work it out with the other party first.
You do something called meet and confer with the other side to see if you can resolve the dispute without having to get the judge involved.
But ultimately, if you're unsatisfied with what the other side is doing in terms of the documents that they've given or the answers that they've given Discovery, you go to the court and you move to compel and you ask the judge to order them to Order them to provide responsive documents or answers.
tim pool
But what if you don't have it?
What are you supposed to do?
james r lawrence-iii
There's nothing you can do other than, again, what I said earlier, which is show the court the efforts that you've undertaken to pull back the curtain.
tim pool
The judge can just be like, ah, you're lying.
james r lawrence-iii
Potentially, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I think people need to realize everybody thinks you live in this world of laws and that the laws dictate what will happen.
They don't.
They're more like guidelines.
I think it's funny when people say, you know, because Carrie Lake is big in the news and they're talking about her election.
There was a funny article that said if Carrie Lake gets her legally impossible wish, Donald Trump will be ineligible to run for president because you can only win twice or whatever.
And I was like, legally impossible?
I like how they say that as if like the Declaration of Independence was legal as it pertained to the British Parliament.
Like, no, a bunch of guys drank and then said, you know what?
We're declaring independence.
And the crown was like, you can't, that's not legal.
And they're like, we don't care.
So at a certain point, humans just make decisions to do things.
And so we might sit back and be like, you can't do that.
The court says this.
And it's like, bro, the judge is going to do whatever they want.
And good luck.
If you get a bad judge, what are you going to do about it?
james r lawrence-iii
Well, that's why you have an appeals process, right?
tim pool
I know, it's cool.
But what if you get a bad Supreme Court?
james r lawrence-iii
Yeah, well, right?
tim pool
Or they reject it?
james r lawrence-iii
It's just... No, that's true.
I mean, we live in a fallen world and in a legal system that has limitations on its ability to do justice.
tim pool
Yeah.
james r lawrence-iii
But I will say, just in defense of the legal system in some ways, we are blessed and fortunate in the United States.
Where we do, I believe in most cases, civil cases that I've been involved in, certainly judges that are trying to do their best to reach the right result.
So we do have that blessing here in the United States that a lot of other countries don't have.
tim pool
No, I mean, we got a pretty good system.
I think the issue is just we're getting to this point culturally where you have two distinct Americas.
You have the multicultural democracy, you have the constitutional republic, you now have judges.
You know, I understand.
Sometimes you'll get a judge, and I've watched Law & Order, right?
james r lawrence-iii
Right.
tim pool
They'll be like, this is good news, you know, we've got Judge Smith, who's, you know, not a fan of X or Y, which means we'll probably be able to get, you know, these things filed or something like that.
They'll say stuff like that.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And I've been involved in legal issues in the real world where I've been advised, if you file in this jurisdiction, you're going to have this judge and he really hates this stuff.
And so it's like, okay, you take those things into consideration.
That's to a degree understandable, the perceptions of the judges and how they interpret the law.
But we're getting to the point where these judges are like, I hate Alex Jones.
He's an evil man.
CNN told me so.
I'm not going to let him win no matter what he does.
We're getting to that point.
I'm not saying this of the current judge.
Some people are accusing... I'm saying quite literally.
Like, I'm saying it's hypothetical.
We're getting to the point where your judge is going to be like, I don't know or care who you are.
You're MAGA.
james r lawrence-iii
And that's obviously not a place where we need to be.
And that's a disturbing place.
unidentified
Yup.
james r lawrence-iii
It's a scary place.
ian crossland
That's where we're at.
mary morgan
If anything, Alex Jones was the one who got defamed, because after his Sandy Hook comments, they twisted that into saying that he also claimed Parkland didn't happen and all sorts of things didn't happen.
None of that was true.
tim pool
They brought up how, like, some of the stuff he was saying was him reading comments from users and news articles.
mary morgan
And so it's like, There should also be room for Alex Jones to be a performer because that's partly what he is.
tim pool
I don't like the idea that, look, the Sandy Hook families, these are private individuals.
You don't get on a big platform and start accusing private individuals of stuff.
You shouldn't do it for anybody, right?
mary morgan
I didn't watch that, what he said at the time.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, he had his own employees were telling him to stop.
ian crossland
What did he say exactly?
Is it public?
mary morgan
Is it on YouTube?
I don't think that you're allowed to repost what he said on YouTube.
tim pool
It's not, and I would not be able to quote exactly what he said.
But I know there were various instances of him accusing them of being crisis actors or saying they weren't real.
But a lot of it was him being like, oh, look what this person said, and look what this person said.
And then they've also, they also accused him of saying things like, if you really did lose your children, I'm so sorry.
And they were like, what does that mean?
And they were saying those statements as well were part of the defamation.
What you got to understand about private individuals, you can't, like the standard is really low for defamation against a private individual.
Oh, I shouldn't say it's really low, it's just really high if you're a public figure.
So, what they tried doing with the Covington Catholic kids was claiming they were involuntary public figures.
Like, that's absurd.
But Alex didn't get a jury trial in this, as to whether he defamed them, so we didn't even go over that stuff.
Jones was instructed that he was not allowed to say that he didn't do it.
He was not allowed to defend himself at all.
They said he wasn't allowed to say he complied with discovery and he wasn't allowed to say he didn't defame
them.
And he wasn't allowed to say that he didn't mean to call them and cause them intentional harm.
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
That's crazy.
james r lawrence-iii
And on the first issue about not being able to say he wasn't liable, that was already decided.
It was a trial on damages, so that's not out of the ordinary at all, right?
Because if you're only there to try damages, the issue of liability is already decided.
tim pool
It is out of the ordinary.
It was rare that there's a default ruling in this case.
james r lawrence-iii
Correct, correct, right, right, exactly.
tim pool
So the fact that he never got an opportunity to be like, here's what happened.
james r lawrence-iii
Correct.
tim pool
That being said, I gotta tell you guys, before the trial even happened, I know people who, people have told me, it's hearsay, but they were like, I heard so-and-so said to Jones, you have to stop doing this.
And then in the trial, they actually brought up communications where employees at InfoWars were telling him like, why are you doing this?
It's not worth it.
You need to stop.
And he didn't.
And, you know, people have brought up that he was drinking.
Probably got arrogant.
I mean, this dude was making a lot of money.
He was making what like, here's the crazy thing.
They said it was like 16, I'm sorry, $165 million in sales.
$165 million in sales.
I also heard Scuttlebutt was like, he was making like $10 million a month.
So if you're doing $165 million per year, so if you're making $10 million, imagine what his profit margins are.
Some speculate it was around 70%.
Makes sense.
james r lawrence-iii
It's a lot of money.
tim pool
It's a lot of money.
And I'll tell you this too, like the 4.1 million, I know it's bad.
There's precedent, like they're trying to get a political victory or whatever it is people think.
The thing about this 4.1 million is I'm willing to bet Jones got crypto or something.
You know, he knew this was coming.
So you have to imagine that if you know it's coming and you're running a- working a company, you're gonna start- you're gonna ramp up everyone's salaries, your kids are gonna get their inheritance very quickly, and then they're gonna come for you and be like, it's all gone.
james r lawrence-iii
You're ordering your affairs strategically at that point, though there are remedies potentially that these plaintiffs can take to try to trace that money to some extent.
tim pool
Well, let me ask you then, as a lawyer, if Alex Jones paid a million dollars to an employee, could they then get that money back?
james r lawrence-iii
Well, the problem is, what did the employee do with it right after they got it, right?
tim pool
Let's say that someone was contracted to produce a documentary, and they're a documentary filmmaker, and Alex said, we'll give you a million dollars to produce this massive documentary, and they said, you got it.
Let's say it's a third-party company that's contracted with Alex Jones.
Could you—how would you get the money from them?
I mean, they're not involved in your lawsuit.
You can't just take the money from them.
They're doing work, right?
james r lawrence-iii
Yeah, I mean, provided it's a legitimate arms-length transaction that's not, right, fraudulent.
tim pool
How would you—no, yeah, sure.
It's like an invoice came in and it said, here's the proposed budget for the film.
Right.
And they said, we're going to pay you the million dollars.
james r lawrence-iii
What do you do?
And that gets into the interplay of potential bankruptcy questions, which I'm not an expert in bankruptcy, but fraudulent transfers and things of that nature where creditors will go and try to But I'm saying not fraudulent.
tim pool
Let's say Alex Jones has never done a million-dollar documentary before.
Gets sued, and then he decides to do one.
Now he's broke because he spent all the company's money.
You sue him and he says, I don't have any money.
They say, where is it?
Well, you spent it on running the company.
And then you show a legitimate invoice and transaction and budgeting plan for this big project.
mary morgan
Is that what you think is happening with the upcoming documentary?
tim pool
What, he's doing that?
ian crossland
That is not his, actually.
mary morgan
Well, he has a documentary.
ian crossland
Alex's war is not related to InfoWars.
mary morgan
He didn't contract that in any way.
tim pool
I'm not referring to anything about Alex Jones.
I'm saying, like, in the event that you get sued, couldn't you just spend the money?
mary morgan
Well, whoever's hands it belongs to yeah, that's their private business, right?
tim pool
And then you couldn't take I couldn't take your money, you know, if I'm doing Ian and right now
james r lawrence-iii
I and again, I think what would happen is You you would have to apply the you would have to apply the
law in the case law in the jurisdiction where you're in in his
case in Texas as They're going to go and try to collect against him
personally. They're gonna try to collect against these Then you're going to have a overlay with the bankruptcy court and how, uh, the bankruptcy process plays out and which, uh, who's going to get paid and what priority, because I imagine he has other creditors, not just these judgment creditors that are out there that, uh,
That he owes money to, right?
tim pool
Yeah, it's a $4 million judgment.
I'd be surprised if they actually even get any money.
I mean, they might get a little bit, but what's gonna happen?
james r lawrence-iii
Right, because it sounds like they might have to get in line, right?
ian crossland
Exactly.
james r lawrence-iii
With a lot of other people in the bankruptcy process.
tim pool
And then there's questions of like, let's say Alex Jones just says, I declare bankruptcy, I liquidate the assets, I pay everybody off, and then he takes a lucrative contract working for a different company.
And so sure, out of the money they're paying him, maybe they only pay him a small, you know,
six-figure salary. So he only has to pay a certain percentage, but then he gets to live luxuriously,
you know, through other people. Like, he's Alex Jones. He could take a cell phone for 20 bucks
and film a video and get a million views. So it's, you know.
Let's jump over to this next story, We'll move off the Alex Jones stuff.
That was big news, and I thought it was really important considering, you know, what's been going on.
But this is the big national story.
We have this from CNN Politics.
The Biden administration has declared monkeypox a public health emergency.
Uh oh.
The announcement came during a briefing with the Department of Health and Human Services.
The administration has been criticized at times for its handling of the outbreak.
Since the first U.S.
monkeypox case was identified mid-May, more than 6,600 probable or confirmed cases have been detected in the United States.
Cases have been identified in every state except Montana and Wyoming.
The declaration follows the World Health Organization announcement last month that monkeypox is a public health emergency of international concern.
The WHO defines a public health emergency of international concern as an extraordinary event that constitutes a public health risk to other states through the international spread of disease and to potentially require a coordinated international response.
Okay, well, look, according to, I think it's the World Health Organization, 95% of those who have been infected have been men who have sex with men.
And so there was a story where they were saying, you know, actually, I'll just put it this way.
In New York City, if you want to get a vaccine in order to be eligible, you have to be a man who, a male who has intercourse with males and have had multiple anonymous partners.
That's how you qualify for the vaccine.
They're not just giving this vaccine to anybody.
mary morgan
They also said male identifying so... Really?
I guess women can get the monkeypox vaccine too.
tim pool
As long as you're claiming to get with a bunch of guys, I guess.
ian crossland
Dude, this is like a struggle session.
They're like, you know what you gotta do if you want the vaccine?
Here's our guidelines.
Go get them.
mary morgan
Super base that Montana and Wyoming don't have it.
I mean, why do you think all the Californians want to move there?
tim pool
Yeah, but it's not so much that it's super base.
Like, I drove through Wyoming and I thought I was gonna run out of gas.
Because I'm driving down this highway for like 200 miles and it's just road and then there was this small shed looking building and I'm like I got like 50 miles left in the tank and I'm driving and then my friend goes look and there's two there's two gas pumps that I couldn't even tell were gas pumps and I was like whoa and then we pulled over immediately and it was like This dude in his house with like a little dog walking around and he had gas.
And I was like, well, okay.
So yeah, it's really hard to transmit diseases in environments like that.
Beautiful though.
Very, very beautiful stuff.
ian crossland
You pointed it out that 95%, at least is the number I've heard of them, it sounds like it's an STD transmitted by guys having sex with guys.
tim pool
It's not an STD.
That's a very important distinction.
People have been saying that because of what they're reporting.
It's just that for obvious reasons, People who have multiple anonymous partners, they're touching each other a lot and they're sharing bodily fluids a lot.
So there's a higher propensity to... Bro, I'm telling you.
ian crossland
I guess that's true because the common cold isn't an STD and you could get it by having sex with someone with it.
tim pool
Exactly.
And if you go and shake the hand of somebody who's got it and then you get it, you're gonna be like, I swear I wasn't going to these things, man.
ian crossland
So is it because it's not a blood disease, it's a skin-to-skin contact disease that it's not considered an STD?
tim pool
Yeah, it's not an STD.
ian crossland
I want to point out that just because someone declares something doesn't mean that it's actually real.
Like, I declare this piece of obsidian is blue.
It's still black.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
I mean, he's saying it's an emergency.
ian crossland
But that opens up the FDA, we were talking about this before the show, to start approving medicine for emergency authorized use without proper testing channels if it's considered an emergency.
james r lawrence-iii
Yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, the PHE being declared does open the door for medications, vaccines, other testing, diagnostics to be brought onto the market through, instead of going through the traditional FDA approval process, through the abbreviated EUA process, the Emergency Use Authorization process.
ian crossland
What bothers me the most is that we've been softened, I think people have been softened to what it means a medical emergency actually is since COVID.
Like, that people are willing to to tend that this might actually be a real emergency.
tim pool
I mean, it might be a real emergency.
ian crossland
Well, might is a different story.
Now, I'm open to talking about it.
tim pool
I'm saying in my opinion.
Like, the reality is the government has declared it, so they're claiming it is.
My point is, People can get monkeypox from touching other people.
And so while it's spreading predominantly among one particular group, it could find its way, if people don't take it seriously, into general population.
Like, regular people will start popping up and be like, how did this happen?
And then all of a sudden you've got bumps or whatever.
There's some crazy posts on social media where they're like, if you're going to a kink event, just put band-aids over your bumps.
It's like, well, that's why it's spreading.
So I don't know, man.
I don't know what they're going to do.
ian crossland
It's the same thing.
This is a little bit of the same thing that's going on in Arizona.
It's taken two days to count this vote in 2020.
For the first time, it takes days to count votes and people have been softened to it.
tim pool
It's like it had been in 2018.
ian crossland
So it's a pretty new phenomenon where it's taking multiple days to count a city's votes.
Well, it's not.
tim pool
And also 2000.
ian crossland
Maybe.
Yeah.
james r lawrence-iii
And that was like, well, yeah, the recounts.
tim pool
Right.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
So it has happened, but like, I don't want to see people get like, like muted to the, the, what a real emergency is because we keep being told that we're in a state of emergency.
tim pool
We've like, I don't think we've ever not been in a state of emergency our entire lives.
ian crossland
Since September 11th, 2001, it's been an emergency every day.
tim pool
Even before that.
I love this country, but it's... How many emergencies are currently active in the United States?
There's probably dozens, because they never just end them.
They're like, oh yeah, 9-11, emergency, and then they just leave it.
And then it's an emergency, and then they can do all this crazy stuff.
james r lawrence-iii
And it's it's threatening to our liberties, right?
It's a constant state of emergency, as we saw in with the, in many ways, unprecedented restrictions on individual freedom that happened in this country during the COVID-19 pandemic during the PHE.
tim pool
More than 30 national emergencies remain in effect.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
What's the oldest one?
tim pool
So they say, uh, the legislation was signed by President Gerald Ford on September 14th, 1976.
As of March 2020, 60 national emergencies have been declared, more than 30 of which remain in, uh, in effect.
So, uh, you know, we're just sitting there.
Okay, there's 42 currently in effect.
We have them.
Let's take a look.
List of national emergencies in the United States.
All right, let's see.
We got 42 still in effect.
Look at this, Liz.
It's huge.
Let's go all the way down.
All right, under Biden, you've got a security emergency, invocation of emergency authority relating to the regulation of the anchorage and movement of Russian-affiliated vessels to United States ports.
And we got this one Biden protecting certain property of Afghanistan Bank.
Duh.
For the benefit of the people of Afghanistan, you've got sanctions.
You got sanctions, sanctions, sanctions, sanctions.
You got Trump.
Trump's emergencies are still in effect.
Current, current, current.
So this one ended under Trump.
Here's a current Trump one.
Declaring a national emergency concerning the novel coronavirus.
Okay, that we understand.
Blocking property and suspending entry of certain persons contributing to the situation in Syria.
Let's go back pre-Trump.
Let's go to Obama.
Here's a current Obama.
One blocking property relating to Venezuela.
You've got Central African Republic.
I mean, these are all emergencies, man.
ian crossland
A lot of them are sanctions.
tim pool
A lot of them are sanctions.
ian crossland
Geez, like 90% of them are sanctions.
Public health under Obama.
tim pool
Yeah, that was H1N1.
ian crossland
So the green ones are still going on.
tim pool
A lot of sanctions.
It's like all sanctions, basically, to be fair.
unidentified
Legal.
ian crossland
What's that one?
tim pool
Legal.
Protecting the development fund for Iraq and certain other property in which Iraq has interest.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
It's an emergency.
We got to make sure that the Iraqis get their land.
What the heck is going on?
tim pool
Dude, that's been in effect since 2003.
Wow.
ian crossland
That's a George Bush emergency there.
tim pool
That's crazy, dude.
mary morgan
H1N1 isn't current, right?
tim pool
No, no.
I mean, I think it's still it's still around and stuff.
Under Bush it a trade.
August 17, 2000.
Continuation of export regulations and emergency declared.
ian crossland
Okay, it's not an emergency anymore.
Iraq's taken care of.
We're not even our troops have pulled out like that.
tim pool
We got it.
ian crossland
No, they don't.
tim pool
Yeah, we're still technically we're supposed to have by now but arms current proliferation of weapons of mass destruction emergency under Bill Clinton 1994.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
I mean, obviously, it's a summary, but what is that?
tim pool
Oh, here we go.
ian crossland
A trade emergency.
tim pool
Carter sanctions still in effect, blocking Iranian government property.
That's not a surprise.
OK, you know what?
I'll say this.
I get it.
It's mostly sanctions.
I understand.
But there's like seizure under Biden.
The people of Afghanistan or whatever.
The emergency declarations give them just like blanket powers to do a bunch of crazy stuff.
james r lawrence-iii
Yeah, and we saw that on full display during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Unprecedented restrictions on individual freedom.
Lockdowns.
In my home state of North Carolina, the legal state of play was, if you didn't have a reason to be out of your house, If you weren't going to the grocery store or trying to get medical care, then you could be held liable for a criminal misdemeanor.
tim pool
You see that video of that lady who owned the restaurant?
And she set up an outdoor seating area and then California shut it down.
But right next to it was a movie production company's outdoor seating area that was up and running.
ian crossland
Yeah, she was crying making a video about it because it destroyed her business.
tim pool
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
james r lawrence-iii
I heard from so many people in 2020, as this was starting, people who had invested their livelihoods into starting businesses in my home state.
And they were completely devastated by the restrictions and by the lockdowns.
And then you had PPP money that was being supposed to go to these people.
And one of the dirty little secrets of the legal profession is a lot of that money, I can tell you, went to law firms in 2020 and 2021.
And law firms, by the way, that never locked down or shut down.
And as I came back into private practice, learned many of them had record years in 2020.
Good for them!
We're always happy when lawyers make money.
I'll speak to this as somewhat of a traitor to my class, but it's disgraceful that working class men and women, who that money was really there for to keep them making ends meet, were losing their livelihoods while partners in mid-sized law firms were paying down their beach houses.
That's a disgrace.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
I just had a crazy thought.
What if the elites, the wealthy, are trying to strangle out the working class, then fund advocacy for communism by going to the working class and being like, man, your life sucks.
Like, yeah, communism, look at this, you know?
unidentified
No, no.
ian crossland
Well, yeah, yeah, that's probably right.
And then these people... That's an old, ancient practice.
Strip people of their needs and then promise to give them back.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, what was it?
What was it?
Uh, Fast and Furious 4, I think it was?
The villain in that, in that, uh, movie?
It was brilliant.
He was like, he was like giving, uh, he was helping the locals, giving them stuff, and he was like, if you give them something, then they fear having it taken away, and then they're your slaves, or something like that.
So it's kind of like, take people who are in dire straits and give them just enough,
and then you can threaten to take away what very little they have.
ian crossland
We've got to get back to viewing the federal government as something that we are allowing
to exist. It's basically a union that we as citizens of our states are allowing to function.
It's not there to control us.
It's there because we want it to be there.
It doesn't have authority over us.
We are it.
It is part of us.
And it's supposed to work in synergy with us to make sure that no one state goes rogue and starts destroying its citizenry.
That's basically the function of the federal government.
james r lawrence-iii
And yet we have a very powerful, as we all know, central government that really regulates all aspects in many ways of our lives, right?
Or at least if you're in a commercial endeavor of any kind, an alphabet soup of agencies.
red tape and regulations and all that comes with it. The professional class that's around it, the
consultants, the lobbyists, and yes, the lawyers that are a part of that ecosystem, right?
So yeah, I mean, the original intent of the republic, as you pointed out, right,
right?
A limited federal government with most of the powers being reserved to the states and to the people, where they could act locally and govern themselves.
tim pool
Well, I got good news.
We're going to jump to this next story.
From Legal Insurrection, DeSantis Suspends State Attorney for Refusing to Enforce Bans on Child Surgeries and Abortion Restrictions.
This morning, Ron DeSantis, he did this announcement where he basically said this George Soros-backed state attorney was Outright refusing to enforce the law in a blanket statement.
And he was like, look, it's one thing if you use your discretion on an individual basis.
Like, okay, this guy shouldn't be charged with this crime for this one reason.
Here's why.
It's another thing when you come out and you sign a document saying, I will never enforce the law.
So Ron DeSantis, as the executive of Florida, suspended this state's attorney and then put in a temporary replacement to actually enforce the law.
This is tremendous.
George Soros recently issued a statement.
He published an op-ed saying he will not back down from this.
He will keep funding district attorneys to reform the system.
Or I should say, he will keep fighting to reform the system of prosecution because it's not working for our communities.
It's creating distrust between the people and the police.
The crazy thing is, this guy is either completely evil or dumb as a box of rocks.
And considering he's as wealthy as he is, I don't think he's that stupid.
If you look at what's happening in San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, yeah, I don't think anyone's going to be convinced this plan is working.
You look at San Francisco, and they recalled that guy, Joseph Boudin or whatever his name is.
They recalled him.
The new person who came in says they're going to go after all the drug dealers now.
So clearly whatever it is that Soros is thinking he's funding is pissing everybody off.
Ron DeSantis, he's draining that swamp.
It's one of the first major moves I've seen from any executive to go against these corrupt state's attorneys.
We'll see if anyone goes after the district attorneys, to the extent that they can.
But this is huge.
Huge, huge victory for accountability.
And maybe we'll start seeing some stuff.
And then on top of that, You know, I'll just add this forthrightly to you guys.
Donald Trump said he was going to fire everybody.
I dig it.
Ron DeSantis just fired a guy.
I mean, he didn't really suspended him.
But, uh, I think that's fairly promising for if Ron DeSantis ends up running for president 2024.
ian crossland
Yeah, I really agree with that.
I got mixed feelings about authorities using their power to just fire somebody that's not bending to their will.
But there is a reason for that.
mary morgan
It's not his will, though.
It's just the law.
It's not DeSantis' personal...
tim pool
People voted for a legislature who then passed bills and had them signed.
Then it got a sufficient amount of votes.
And then Ron DeSantis is like, okay, sign the bill.
And then this guy, he issued a statement.
He was like, I am signing a statement saying I will never enforce that law.
mary morgan
So hopefully if DeSantis has integrity, even if it's a law he personally disagrees with, he would do the same thing.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think the second, what I was, the second part of what I was saying is that sometimes the authority, the reason they have the ability to fire somebody that's not bending to their will is because, you know, we need authority.
We need a strong leader.
At least society, our species since the dawn of time has like an authority, the military commander, the commander in chief, the one that's like, put them up against the wall, whatever.
They're like, you're not going to, you're not going to support the military cause.
You're a danger to our freedom and our survivability.
I have the ability to do with you what I will.
tim pool
But the power here that's being exercised, it's limited.
Ron DeSantis doesn't decide what the law is.
He does, however, it is within his duties to make sure that if other people within government aren't doing their jobs, if they're derelict of duty or negligent, that he removes them, and that's in the Constitution.
I'm so surprised to see such a bold move because it feels like, especially with the Republican Party, they just sit on their hands.
Now Ron DeSantis is like, he came out and he just went at it.
And he was like, nah, get him out of there.
Here's, boom, executive order.
ian crossland
Did it say, is this like a temporary suspension?
tim pool
They're trying to make it permanent, but they've put someone else in place.
ian crossland
What do you think about it?
james r lawrence-iii
Yeah, I mean, it is, you know, it's interesting with the left.
The left is supportive of local control and localism when it suits its purposes.
And then it's supportive of centralized control and authority when it doesn't.
So, you know, here you've got somebody who's a prosecutor who's essentially involved in prosecutorial nullification, right?
Essentially, you've got a duly enacted statute that's passed by the Florida legislature, signed into law by the governor, and this prosecutor is refusing to enforce the law, as you said, Tim, right?
He's not just exercising discretion on individual cases.
And he's basically giving the finger to the people of the state of Florida by refusing to enforce the law.
So, you know, it is good to see someone stand up and say, no, you are going to do this.
You are going to follow the law.
You are going to apply it.
And, you know, in a red state where there are these blue enclaves, right?
This is a red state and this is the way we do things.
tim pool
Let me read this quote.
In June of 2021, he signed a letter saying that he would not enforce any prohibitions on sex change operations for minors.
Sex changes are really disfiguring these young kids, and he said it doesn't matter what the legislature does in the state of Florida.
Florida has said you cannot perform sex change operations on children.
This guy said he would not enforce a prohibition on that.
I just gotta say, I don't think anyone predicted, because we had Rick Santorum here, I don't think anyone predicted that a slippery slope meant within 10 years you would have children getting sex change surgeries.
Now, a bunch of news outlets, they refer to it as gender-affirming healthcare, and I take issue with that because that is not what Ron DeSantis said specifically.
Ron DeSantis is citing surgery, operations, like going to children.
I don't think society would tolerate breast implants.
That's a gender-affirming treatment, right?
ian crossland
No, gender is a psychological thing.
Once you start to carve up physical bodies, it's sex.
Or it's at least non-sexual surgery.
Gender is an idea.
It's a concept.
It's a way of feeling.
Once you start cutting into it, man, that's another conversation.
mary morgan
I don't disagree that gender is a feeling.
tim pool
That's the part of how you identify.
But gender identity is different from gender.
So these are postmodern definitions of what gender is.
Gender was used since it started coming into prominence in the 50s to specifically mean biological sex.
ian crossland
That's very confusing because sex means sex.
Gender means gender.
So they're different words with different meanings.
That's very important.
tim pool
So that's actually a new concept.
ian crossland
That's so funny.
mary morgan
The divorce between the word gender and sex is new.
So that you can have the identity be anything you want.
ian crossland
But I thought it used to be your sex was what your gonads basically and then your gender was how you identified and it didn't have to be... No one identified as anything.
mary morgan
They were just what they were.
ian crossland
In the 50s it appeared that this idea of gender was like in the 50s or something like that.
tim pool
So the word gender has been used for a long time.
It comes from genre, actually.
I was looking into the history of the word.
It came into prominence in the 50s with people like John Money and... Was Kinsey the 50s?
I'm not entirely sure.
Seamus knows all about this, and so I started reading a bit about it.
Gender was used as a word.
Academically, they were trying to say it's like the social constructs around it, but colloquially, for most of English-speaking humans, it just referred to your biological sex.
ian crossland
Kinsey was 1947.
It was when he founded the Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and what was the other one?
tim pool
So most people, when they say gender, on your legal form, it says gender, M or F.
If it says gender and it's a reference to male or female, they're not talking about how you feel.
They're asking you about your body and you know why they do?
Because this is really important.
In the early 1990s, there was a law that was passed.
When they would do medical testing, they wouldn't do it on women.
And then all of a sudden, people started realizing something.
You know those painkillers we use during surgeries?
Women keep complaining that it's not working.
Hey, wait a minute.
Hypothesis.
Maybe these drugs don't work on women.
Sure enough, they found out that certain painkillers work on men and women differently.
And so then there was a law passed saying when you're doing medical testing, you have to have female and male trials.
This is why it's very important they know what your biological sex is.
Now that they're changing the definition of gender and then changing it back.
It's the funny thing.
We're getting to this point where there's a reason that we ask these questions.
If someone collapses on the street and a medic runs up, it actually is important that they know if you are male or female for a variety of reasons.
For instance, if a man screams and says, oh my gut, oh man, it's hurting right in my pelvic area.
Well, there's a very different reason that may be happening compared to why it would be happening to a woman.
But, it could be appendicitis, and it could be a bunch of other things.
And so there are some things, for obvious reasons, men and women have different organs, that a pain in a certain area could be one thing or not, obviously.
But my point is, there are certain medical treatments they will give to a male and not a female.
And if they can't tell or they don't know, or they don't know that a person is taking drugs for, you know, gender affirmation, as they're calling it, well, then you could be seriously screwed up when a medic gives you a medication that is contraindicated by whatever it is you're taking.
ian crossland
Yeah, you've got to make sure that people don't... There's a story of a woman that was following Google Maps or something, or Apple Maps, into the desert, and it was telling her to turn left, go straight, and she just kept following the computer into the desert.
Her car broke.
It was the wrong direction.
So if someone just is like, Thinking gender is all that matters, what I think is all that matters, they're basically driving their car on this automated concept.
If it gets to a point where you need to perform life-saving medical treatment on that person and then you do the wrong sex because they've conflated what they feel with gender and their sex, then it's just like it could end up being catastrophic for someone.
mary morgan
Well now the life-saving medical treatment that they're referring to is gender affirmation because essentially They're holding these kids hostage in a way saying like they're going to commit suicide if they don't get these treatments Do you want them to commit suicide?
tim pool
Yeah, they're holding them hostage and and and the I think what's what's what the crazy thing about it is if you look at countries Scandinavia, for instance, they've stopped doing all this There was a big article I was reading the other day.
Sweden is like, they're doing mental therapies and stuff right now.
Because perhaps a solution to someone who's got suicidal ideation is not affirming what is driving their ideation.
That's interesting.
mary morgan
Isn't Scandinavia, or maybe just the Netherlands, where assisted suicide is one of the most permissible?
tim pool
I don't think the Netherlands is Scandinavian.
Are they?
mary morgan
I don't think so.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's like Finland, Sweden, Denmark.
mary morgan
I was thinking it was either in Scandinavia or in the Netherlands.
tim pool
So it's a like like Sweden had this big move where they were like, we're not gonna do this I don't know exactly where they're at now But I know people have been talking about the Scandinavian countries being like we have found that it's not actually reducing suicidal ideation And so that's my thing.
It's like seriously, we don't want kids harming themselves.
mary morgan
Has it been found that it worsens?
Suicidal ideation.
tim pool
I don't think no.
I I don't know.
I don't keep up with that Yeah, I've read some articles saying it's like, no difference.
But obviously, it depends on what you read.
If you read advocacy websites, they're gonna say, of course it's helping reduce these things.
And it's like, well, maybe, I don't know.
What I do know is, what these other countries have written, news articles from these countries that I've read, is that the mentality is, if someone is experiencing suicidal ideation, Affirming what it is that is contributing to it is not necessarily an appropriate solution.
So if someone is feeling, you know, let's just say dysmorphic, a general dysmorphia like anorexia or eating too much or, you know, they want amputations or whatever, they were like, Giving a person who is suffering from some kind of anxiety what they're asking for is probably not the appropriate way to stop them from feeling this way.
ian crossland
It's kind of like if your kid is afraid that there's a ghost under their bed and you're like, yeah, there is a ghost under your bed and then you start building their room to protect from this fake ghost and then the kid goes even crazier because it starts to think really that that...
I agree that you do need to affirm these people.
You need to affirm their existence.
People need to be heard and understood and listened to.
That's what these people need more than anything.
You don't need to start... I mean, put the knives down for a minute and listen to these people.
Like Jazz Jennings, we were listening to a video from her last night.
She just released a book.
I don't necessarily agree with what's in the book.
tim pool
Well, the book's been out for a while.
ian crossland
So she's had a book out for a while, but she needs to be listened to.
We all need that.
And it's not like it's do it or the world blows up, but to survive and for the betterment of humanity, people need to be listened to and understood.
mary morgan
Jazz Jennings' person had parents who seemed to impose this identity since a very young age, like two years old, when They see their child who they think is a boy wearing a towel on his head and then they're like, okay, you're a girl now.
And then put them on TV and we're just supposed to accept that as normal.
She was on a show.
Yeah, that's our entertainment now.
tim pool
This is what concerns me about Jazz in particular.
She put out a video saying that since two, two years old, she's felt dysphoric or whatever.
unidentified
And I'm I have concerns first memory is even that early.
tim pool
Yeah, I that's insane, you know, like I have Can you guys remember when you were
ian crossland
I remember peeing on my brother one time.
I think I was like four and he was like, yeah, he was two.
tim pool
But being two years old, I don't know.
I don't know.
So, so look.
mary morgan
Certainly nothing as complex as that.
tim pool
I do have questions though.
Like if we're going to talk about Florida and the parental rights and education stuff and the rights of the parents to choose what's right for their kids, then you have to define what your moral line is.
Because if we're then going to question the parents of Jazz Jennings, it's like, Do we then intervene in their family as a governmental body?
Do we say the government must intervene or stop that if we think it's wrong?
Or do we then say we don't want the government intervening in what parents think is right for their kids?
And there's questions of if a kid really is, you know, suicidal.
And I'm not talking about two years old.
And doctor prescribes something.
Do we as the layman then say we've decided to intervene?
I mean, let's keep our morality logical, right?
In the same path.
ian crossland
I'm on high alert against medical tyranny and for-profit surgeries on kids is devastating.
It's really bothering me.
But I think people also should have the freedom to do what they want with their bodies.
Now, we talk about a kid.
Kids don't have the ability to consent to things.
The parent's basically consenting for them.
And so, is it ethical for a 45-year-old parent to have a 13-year-old kid cut?
I don't know.
mary morgan
What about the kids that have adopted that identity before they're adults, and then once they're adults, they continue to keep that identity and seek medical procedures because of it?
I don't think that that person has informed consent of the procedures that they're seeking.
tim pool
Well, I don't think children can consent.
mary morgan
But once they're adults and they've already been groomed to believe that this is who they are, they don't have the ability to make an informed, consensual decision about the medical treatment.
tim pool
I don't agree with that at all.
ian crossland
Yeah, I can't make that decision for others.
That's like a one-on-one thing.
tim pool
That negates everyone's life.
You know, look, I don't think children should be getting sex change surgery.
I think that's, like, we're going down a dangerous path.
But to say that, you know, you're 16 and you had an experience that informed you of something and you chose to follow that so you can't be adequately informed because of that... Okay, Jazz Jennings, since two years old...
mary morgan
the parents have been in charge of that. Right. From what I can tell. A two-year-old is not going
to come out and... And then Jazz Jennings, 18 and up, now has the ability to consent to further
medical interventions. Well, I think Jazz would... After being groomed so thoroughly into believing
that that is their identity. I...
tim pool
I see what you're saying, but the challenge— It doesn't follow.
There's like a hard line for obviously like, don't give sex changes to kids, that I can't believe is actually a political debate that's happening right now.
And to what extent does the government intervene when someone prescribes a medical treatment to a child you don't agree with?
So, I'm at a loss, to be honest.
I think it's great what Ron DeSantis did.
I think that if you've got a law that's been duly elected, and a bill has been sworn, this is the question.
This is the question for social media.
What is YouTube's position on the fact that in Florida, it is a crime to perform a sex change on a child?
Are YouTubers advocating for illegal activity now?
No, what are the rules?
So I'm saying, for me, I look at what's going on in Florida.
We have consistently said over the past year, parents should have the final say in what their kids are, you know, and how to raise their kids.
And then you get people coming out and saying, OK, well, my doctor said my kid should undergo this treatment.
And it's like, no, I think you should.
Wait a minute.
I just said parents should have final say.
Yeah, but there's obvious lines, though, like if a parent was abusing the child and then we have to decide what those moral lines are.
Simply put, Florida has decided no sex change surgery for kids.
james r lawrence-iii
Yeah, I mean, and in North Carolina, I can tell you, we had an interesting proposal made by the Duke Law School around homeschooling.
And my wife and I homeschool our kids.
And there was a proposal that was put forth to amend North Carolina's child abuse laws to define something called educational neglect.
So what's educational neglect under this proposal?
Well, when you start to boil it down, it really means if you're not providing an education that a judge deems to be adequate.
So ultimately, you know, judges make the call, but it becomes, you know, sort of inherently politicized.
So am I Am I giving my child an adequate education if I'm teaching them that there are only two, you know, male and female?
Am I giving my child an adequate education if I'm teaching them, you know, real American history, right?
Like, so, you know, to your point... Are homeschooled students subject to standardized testing?
It depends on the state.
In North Carolina, you have to test, I think it's every two years.
tim pool
That's messed up.
james r lawrence-iii
I'm totally opposed to that.
To run a home school.
But, you know, do you draw lines to say for what parents can do, right?
In terms of, okay, there's a difference between how you're going to educate your kids.
Right?
And your control over the education of your kids versus making these kinds of decisions about your child's future and the ability of society to second-guess those decisions.
tim pool
We have a cultural problem.
It always comes down to this, and this is what I want people to understand.
If a parent says, I'm going to show my kids graphic images, it's like, okay, well now you've got questions.
Child abuse.
a violation of law. Does the law define showing lewd images to children? It does. You can't do
that. However, the problem is these parents are going to doctors and the doctor saying this is
what you have to do. Not only that, but often when the parents defy the doctors, the state comes in
in certain states and punishes the parents. So now you've got this. This is a, this is,
I'm telling you, man, when I talk about the bifurcation of this country in Florida, for
For instance, sex change on children, not allowed in.
In other states, I mean, even in Texas, we saw that case where the mom wanted to transition the son, the little boy, and the dad didn't, and there was like the judge ruled in favor of the mom.
So, you've got these stories about parents who are like, a doctor said it, so they agreed.
And then what we're supposed to say is like, well, you know, far be it for me to say what the child should get if a doctor is saying it.
But then you have parents who can't even decide in some areas.
When the doctor says it, they say no, now they get in trouble.
The inverse is Florida.
It's illegal to do.
Like, we're getting to the point where you're gonna have two states next to each other.
One's gonna— Florida, completely illegal.
Then you're gonna have another state being, like, totally legal.
And then what, the mother's gonna kidnap the kid to bring him somewhere to get this gender-affirming healthcare?
Or what Florida refers to as prohibited child sex changes?
Even the language on what's happening is totally different.
ian crossland
It's kind of the way it's supposed to be, that every state gets to pick its own way of being.
And then we have a federal government to make sure that there are some things that are just off the books.
You can't drive 180 miles an hour anywhere in the country.
You can't kill people legally.
mary morgan
Speeding is, in my mind, more permissible than child sex changes.
tim pool
Yeah, but Ian, you are incorrect.
There are places in this country where you can drive.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was being hyperbolic and off the hip.
That was stupid of me.
tim pool
On private property.
You can go as fast as you want.
And they actually have permitted areas where they do high-speed testing, so... Well, the point is that there are... I'm being semantic on you, but sir... You did a good job, Tim.
unidentified
Thank you for that.
ian crossland
There are things that the federal government will say, yo, state, you can't say that's okay.
Murder's not okay.
You can't say that in your state.
You know, you can't abuse your citizens, basically.
tim pool
I don't know.
I don't know about that.
Is that true?
james r lawrence-iii
Well, I mean, that's... It really... You know, it's an interesting question in light of the Dobbs decision, right?
Because there are people on...
You know, the issue of abortion, who believe, and there were briefs that were submitted in that case, where people took the position that abortion is unconstitutional, just flatly, that unborn children are persons under the 14th Amendment.
and that all states have to treat those persons equally.
And so if a state would have to ban the murder of an unborn child,
so abortion is flatly prohibited nationwide under that analysis,
versus sort of the more classic conservative legal approach to the question,
which is I think what the court ultimately adopted in Dobbs, which is that the Constitution is just silent on this
question, and it's an issue for each individual state to decide.
But how do we... It's not silent.
tim pool
But how does the... Well, we talk about it quite a bit.
And, you know, we talk about... I don't like to just... Abortion has been such a big topic on the show for the past several weeks, but a viable baby that can survive outside the womb...
Should be protected.
ian crossland
Gotta define viable.
tim pool
Like, it can survive outside the womb.
With what, though?
ian crossland
Because, like, without a parent, without adults around it, it'll just die outside the womb until it's, like, nine.
tim pool
Yes, quite literally, if a baby is taken out of the womb and placed on a table and it doesn't die right away, like, it is breathing, it is looking around, it is moving around.
Like, my point is, If a 30 year old man was lying on a bed, unable to move, we wouldn't be like, he's no longer viable, pull the plug!
We'd be like, no, that person has rights.
And that has to be, we have to figure out how to manage an individual who's been incapacitated.
The point is, If the Constitution protects individual beings, why would a viable baby not be protected the same as a comatose patient?
mary morgan
Whatever term you come up with, they're going to abuse the term.
So, viable, they could say a baby isn't viable because the adults around the baby are obligated to take care of it or else it will die.
Right.
Quite an old age, like, I don't know, when kids are capable of using reason to fend for themselves.
tim pool
But that's why I brought up a comatose person.
Right?
There's already legal precedent on that.
So why would that not apply to a viable baby?
mary morgan
I think euthanasia is still incredibly common.
tim pool
Yes, but you need, like, Terry Chavo comes up all the time.
But let's just reference, there's a person who gets in a car accident, and they're now in a coma.
And they're like, we don't know what's going to happen.
The person can't speak.
The person can't eat.
We can keep them alive.
You know, they still have rights.
You can't just kill them.
Next of kin can make decisions for them, depending on, you know, because we have legal precedent here.
So the question then is, if the person does have rights, and this is a question of Man, this gets too complicated.
It really is, dude.
Because the issue is someone who's been in an accident who might die is injured and is suffering an injury.
A baby that is living is not suffering an injury.
mary morgan
So at that point you have... An unimpeded will be born.
tim pool
So I don't understand how there's an argument.
So that's why I look at the traditional Roe argument, which is pre-viability of a question of Whose rights?
I mean, the baby cannot survive without being blood dependent on another individual.
And so there's a question in my mind about the extent to which the government can mandate that.
But once the baby can survive on its own in open air, how can you justify not giving it constitutional rights?
ian crossland
Because someone still has to take care of it.
And that would be the government mandating that someone else has to do something for another life.
tim pool
But I got to stop you there because I already rejected that point and destroyed it.
ian crossland
But if the mother's like, okay, then I don't have to do anything, government.
I can't kill it.
I'm just going to leave it there.
That's neglect and it'll die.
So it's a form of murder.
tim pool
No, it's not.
There's a big difference between intentionally killing a baby and then putting it on the doorstep of a post office or a fire department.
ian crossland
That's different, though.
I'm just letting it lay there in the living room on the ground until it dies of starvation.
tim pool
Yeah, neglect.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So my point is, that argument is just, it's already dealt with.
There are people who are comatose, and they have constitutional rights.
They do.
We apply their rights to them.
Why would we not do it to a baby?
You can you can take the baby and put it on the doorstep of a fire department legally and they have those safe havens or whatever So if that's the case, like I just don't know that that's just me, you know, I don't know because the motivations behind The abortionist's argument are not about viability or rights or anything.
mary morgan
It's just that they enjoy I think it's an issue of narcissism.
ian crossland
The self-interest.
unidentified
I enjoy their freedom from from I think they don't have to support a child you can get to purely evil. I think it's an
tim pool
issue of narcissism
The self-interest man, it was crazy at any cost including another human in the beings life. Oh, yeah. Yeah Matt Matt
Matt Walsh, I think, announced he's gonna have some more kids.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
tim pool
You guys see that?
And Michael Knowles, I think, just welcomed his second child.
ian crossland
Oh my!
tim pool
And he may have, they may have been old photos, I don't know, but someone tweeted, some leftist activist, to, I think it was Matt Walsh, I'm sorry that your wife was brainwashed into being a broodmare or something like that.
ian crossland
Dude.
tim pool
And I'm just like, that's so insane to say to somebody.
mary morgan
The women's right to choose life isn't valid, right?
ian crossland
I like this to-each-their-own mentality.
I don't know.
I'm kind of hands-off on all this stuff.
tim pool
I just gotta say, I put it simply for you guys, and then we'll jump on to the next story.
The only thing I can say is, the end result of all of this is a Christian conservative United States of America.
ian crossland
No, not Christian.
I don't have anything to do with it.
tim pool
How many kids do you have?
ian crossland
I have all of yours.
tim pool
Michael Knowles has too!
ian crossland
Yeah, but they're listening.
They listen to these shows.
You know, you can, and this is what I was saying about Jazz Jennings and her book.
It's one thing with what's the parent doing for their child, but it's, and should the parent have the right to have surgery on their child?
But it's another thing when people are, it's working outward and people are affecting society through media and convincing your child in somewhere else of what to do or inspiring your child.
You know, you don't need to biologically have children to influence children.
That's for sure.
tim pool
That's why the school issue is so huge.
But my point is simple.
Conservatives have been shoring up their communities.
They've been, Ron DeSantis has been winning and removing these people.
Yeah, it looks like right now, there's a lot of variables that lay before us.
But if everything that's happening right now stays the way it's happening and advances exactly the way it's happening, 30, 40 years, you're going to have, this country is going to be substantially more conservative.
ian crossland
Christ will have returned.
Yeah, probably.
unidentified
Well, I don't know.
ian crossland
I don't know about that.
Christ is going to come unify the globe.
tim pool
Well, actually, it would be really nice right about now, because here's my next... Christ is going to win in history.
Here's the next story.
China launches unprecedented military drills on Taiwan's coastal borders.
They actually, this is the crazy thing, apparently one of the multiple rockets from China have landed in Japanese territorial waters.
And now they're talking, saying basically this may have been an act of war.
So, uh, we could really use someone to come down and unite this planet before we blow ourselves up.
ian crossland
Or come up and do it.
You hear me out there, you're listening.
unidentified
Come up and do it.
ian crossland
That's you, you're the one.
tim pool
Oh, I thought you were talking about Satan.
ian crossland
No, no, just coming up, man, coming up in the world.
That's what it's all about.
mary morgan
Come down and land on Earth and bring them together and then... Caving civilizations that live in tunnels underground?
ian crossland
That's who I was talking to.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
tim pool
And also be careful what you wish for, because if you were like, we need someone to come and bring peace to this planet, you'll get someone like, okay, and then, you know, Ultron.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And also unification.
mary morgan
Then the Antichrist comes.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
He's like, your wish is my command.
ian crossland
Decentralized unification, I think, where it's like locally run, but organized.
Like the states, we have 50 states, but they're all run locally.
If Canada joined us and then we had like 70 states and they're all run locally, but we, you know, America is basically the land we live on.
That's good stuff.
tim pool
Look at these videos, man.
This is bonkers.
China's firing missiles over Taiwan.
They're landing in Japanese waters.
unidentified
I kind of feel like war... Is this an intimidation tactic?
tim pool
Well, for sure, but I think it's an act of war.
They're in Taiwanese territorial waters.
They're in Taiwan's waters.
Firing missiles.
I mean, like, you can't show up in front of someone's house and start firing a gun in the air.
Like, you get arrested for that.
So we're supposed to sit back and just be like, Oh, this is no big deal.
It's nothing.
This is just saber rattling.
I'm like, dude, they're literally the missiles are landing.
Like they're hitting people's like other countries' territory.
I kind of feel like the reason that Nancy Pelosi went to Taiwan is because they know that something's about to happen.
james r lawrence-iii
I'm looking at what they're doing with the beaching drills.
of the mainland, right?
I mean, because that's their view, right?
The Chinese government's view is that it's a breakaway province that has always belonged to China.
tim pool
I'm looking at what they're doing with the beaching drills.
They've been doing sand dredgers around Taiwan.
It's like, dude, they're getting ready.
They're not screwing around.
They've been shrugging up their financial defenses after what happened with Russia and the sanctions.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
This could be why the banks are in dire straits in the country, because they're getting ready for when they go and take Taiwan.
And I think Nancy Pelosi basically went there and said, we will not back you.
ian crossland
Oh, went to Taiwan to let them know we're out?
tim pool
I think it was essentially that, like, along those lines.
Like, we're building factories in the United States to build silicon chips.
You're done.
We will not protect you.
How is the U.S.
gonna protect Taiwan when mainland China's literally right there?
ian crossland
No, I don't know.
Economically, that'd be the only way.
I mean, we do have nuclear submarines off the coast and stuff under the water, but I don't think ballistics is the way to go.
tim pool
I mean, look, they're so close to the island, but then Russia's vowing to fight with China.
I think the U.S.
is basically like, if we defend you, it's World War III, so we won't.
james r lawrence-iii
Is this going to be the United States' Suez Crisis if you think of the British Empire and its decline?
The British inability to act in the Suez Crisis, similar potentially here, historical in that analog.
ian crossland
What happened with the Suez?
james r lawrence-iii
Well, the British just were overextended.
It was after World War Two.
They were, and Peter Hitchens talks about this vividly, the essayist and brother of Christopher Hitchens that vividly remembers this happening, excuse me, in the 1950s.
That the British Empire had been exhausted by World War II, it was overextended, and it didn't have the financial or military resources to act in the Suez Crisis, and they were told to take their hands off, and there was nothing that they could do.
And maybe that's That's where we're headed, right?
tim pool
That's where we are.
We can't fight a war on the Eastern Front in Europe and the Pacific theater at the same time.
james r lawrence-iii
Right.
tim pool
Plus, China's got resources in other continents.
Africa.
Not to mention, we talk about 1.3 billion Chinese citizens.
Yo, China's been engaging in colonialism for the past couple of decades or longer.
People don't understand this.
They have this image of colonialism as like a bunch of people get on a government boat and they're like, we're going to go discover a new world and take it over.
And they think it would be like a bunch of boats landing and Chinese citizens like taking over a town.
No, they get a visa, they move in.
james r lawrence-iii
Right.
tim pool
That's it.
And then sooner or later, you've got large portions of your cities and your country are, you know, now settled by citizens of a foreign country.
And then one day, if war breaks out, what do you think's going to happen in Australia?
Like, this is why we had internment camps in World War II, for the Japanese.
I think it was wrong, but the idea was like, well, we don't know which one of these Japanese people may be loyal to the Japanese Empire.
ian crossland
It could have very easily, if we hadn't done that, if they hadn't done that, it could have been like, the Japanese uprising in California could have been, become Japanese territory, and then we lose the war, so.
tim pool
Happened in Europe six years ago, I think it was.
Maybe it was five years ago.
A bunch of Turkish citizens were waving Turkish flags in various European countries.
And Erdogan was like, we'll open the floodgates because all of these people loyal to a different country are in these European countries.
So what do you think happens if the United States, a lot of people who live here are citizens of China.
We've even had people come here who are, who are members of the Chinese Communist Party overtly.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
What about Australia?
If a war breaks out, people start pointing the finger and then this is the crazy thing.
Like the whole thing just becomes overtly racist.
james r lawrence-iii
Right.
tim pool
China, like people aren't going to be like, how can I tell if someone's Chinese?
And they're going to be like, that's like, I don't, they're just not going to trust each other.
It's kind of a crazy, crazy thing to think about.
james r lawrence-iii
Maybe on a positive side on China.
I mean, there are a tremendous number of Christians in China.
There's a huge underground church in China, and as unlikely perhaps as it seemed in the Roman Empire and in around 300 A.D.
when Constantine converted to Christianity and changed the course of history, perhaps something like that might happen.
Who knows, right?
I'm trying to think optimistically here.
tim pool
Yeah.
james r lawrence-iii
Right?
That God will do something in China and move that country toward Christ, ultimately.
tim pool
Aliens come and then just bring medicine and everyone just stops fighting.
And they're like, oh, look, we're not, you know.
james r lawrence-iii
But it's not like I said, right?
I mean, but if you were in Rome in and around that time as a persecuted Christian and a tyrannical situation and state it would have seemed equally bleak and yet God did move in that country and it changed the world and maybe and I pray that that would happen in this case that that God would move in China and that great things would happen and and that the country would change culturally.
tim pool
The past hundred years are not confidence building.
james r lawrence-iii
In terms of just the trajectory of history?
tim pool
Yeah.
You know, I was reading a tweet.
They said when Germany invaded Poland, nobody knew it was the start of World War II.
And it escalated.
And eventually it was World War II.
And that right now with Russia invading Ukraine, that's the argument they're trying to make.
And the tweet was basically, more money for Ukraine, stop Russia now before it becomes World War III.
And it's like...
I get it.
If, now that Finland and Sweden, the US Senate has voted overwhelmingly 95 to 1, Hawley was the only one who said no.
Now they voted to become inducted, they voted to be inducted into NATO.
Russia vowed retaliation.
That right there, it's just like, it's crazy to me that you see, you have everybody who's running full speed towards World War 3 intentionally.
Like, you realize, it's one thing to be like, China doesn't dictate where our politicians go, so, plus he's going to Taiwan.
It's another thing to, at the exact same time, hold a vote to induct Sweden and Finland into NATO when Russia's threatening war.
I'm like, maybe you wait.
Right?
They're just running full speed towards World War III.
mary morgan
Controlled demolition.
tim pool
Yeah.
mary morgan
Managed collapse.
james r lawrence-iii
It's not Munich 1939.
We're in World War I, right?
The preconditions that led to that.
The entangling alliances and the dominoes that fell and the disaster that unfolded that ultimately led to World War II and millions of people dead.
tim pool
But they're running towards it.
Right.
Couldn't someone come out and be like, I propose we don't vote on this just yet because the tensions with China are just too hot and we should maybe wait a little bit.
They were like, nope, let's ram it through.
ian crossland
Why did Hawley dissent?
I don't even like calling it dissent because it's not like it was a pre-foregone conclusion or whatever.
He just chose to not support the thing.
Why?
tim pool
Well, we have this story here.
We'll read it.
Josh Hawley was the only senator to oppose NATO membership for Finland and Sweden.
Is it in the United States' interest, said Hawley?
Finland and Sweden want to expand NATO because it is in their national security interest to do so.
Fair enough.
The question that should properly be before us, however, is, is it in the United States' interest to do so?
Because that is what American foreign policy is supposed to be about, I thought.
I fear some in this town have lost sight of that.
They think American foreign policy is about creating a liberal world order or nation-building overseas.
With all due respect, they're wrong.
Bravo!
Josh Hawley.
Rand Paul voted present.
I would have thought he would have voted against it.
This is amazing to me.
Russia has already got their people on TV talking about nuking London.
What do you think Russia's gonna do?
Think about it from the perspective of the United States.
Imagine if Russia started sending resources into Mexico, and Mexico was talking about joining the Russian Trade Federation.
And then a bunch of Central American countries were joining a military alliance with Russia.
And then, there was a... Basically, in Mexico, the government gets overthrown, and a bunch of communists like Soviet people or Russians take it over.
You'd be like, okay, we got ourselves a problem in the Gulf, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, that would be a problem.
So what we got to do is ally with Russia and the Chinese, and then there'll be a Chinese uprising and a Republican uprising in Russia.
I'm looking forward to it.
tim pool
I suppose that what people need to understand is that the US may talk about its interest in expanding NATO and working with Ukraine.
But anyone who's sane understands why Russia's gonna lose their mind over it.
They're slowly being surrounded by a massive military alliance, and they don't like it.
So, at a certain point, Russia's gonna be like, it's now or never.
And then what?
Do they nuke London?
ian crossland
No, no.
Take Crimea and the war.
I don't think anybody wants that war over there.
I mean, maybe the bankers do.
tim pool
If Russia feels like they'll cease to exist, that's what they said.
They'll go full-scale nuclear if they feel threatened.
james r lawrence-iii
So we're going to the brink.
ian crossland
That's what they want people to think, though, too.
You got to remember.
And I don't know who they are, but that's like people thrive off of like doomsday scenarios monetarily.
Media gets so many clicks when people are afraid.
I don't know.
I get a lot of this data from Western media, from American media.
tim pool
It's true.
But the war in Ukraine is happening.
American citizens are on the ground, volunteers fighting.
The U.S.
is supplying intelligence and weapons.
NATO is basically involved.
Who was it?
Was it Lithuania who blocked the shipment into Kaliningrad?
I think it was Lithuania.
You want to check that real quick?
Yeah.
And Russia was like, this is an act of war.
And then they like backed off.
It's like, yeah, Russia is not just fighting.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was Lithuania.
tim pool
Lithuania blocked supplies into Kaliningrad, which is six days ago.
Russian territory.
Six days ago?
ian crossland
Well, then articles from six days ago from TVPworld.com.
tim pool
Are they just analyzing it or?
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
Because this happened like a month ago.
I'm just saying, history is condensed and people don't realize how condensed, you know?
james r lawrence-iii
Well, people don't even understand the history of World War I, right?
I mean, the average American doesn't understand what happened.
ian crossland
Tell me about it.
james r lawrence-iii
Right?
I mean, they haven't read about it.
They don't know that the United States didn't get involved until April of 1917.
Very late in the war, or even the United States wasn't involved in World War II until, you know, Pearl Harbor.
Four years after the start of the war.
Many years into it, right?
So, I mean, we don't, right?
We're not being taught that in our primary education.
We're focusing on other things that are, you know, unfortunately, Much less important than having this overall understanding of the history of the world and how it relates to this day in time.
And you think about, you know, NATO, right?
Like, as a Republican, Holly being the only person to vote against NATO expansion, it's interesting to look back historically.
It was the great Senator from Ohio, Robert Alfonso Taft, Bob Taft.
Who, on the right, as a conservative, Mr. Republican, voted against NATO in the first place, in the first instance.
Wow.
There was that wing of the Republican Party, that conservative right, that opposed the internationalism that we've seen.
tim pool
NATO made sense.
ian crossland
I see both sides.
tim pool
Soviet Union, right?
So we see this massive expansion of these communist states, and so we said, okay, we need to push back against this expansion.
james r lawrence-iii
Right.
And there were people on the right, pre-National Review, who rejected that and said, we don't need NATO.
No, we don't need to police the world.
No, we don't need to have a worldwide war against communism.
Yes, we believe communism is doomed to fail.
I mean, I don't know, I can't quote the person who said it, but, you know, some maintain that the most ardent believers in the validity of communism were the people in the Kremlin and the conservative movement in the United States, in the sense that we were going to amass all of these resources against an economic system we ultimately believed was deemed a failure.
But there was that counter critique from the right on the Cold War, pre-National Review.
ian crossland
When I think of World War I, I think of like, was it the assassination of Franz Ferdinand by Giovanni Precepi, something like that?
But he was like a Serbian national, I believe.
unidentified
Right.
james r lawrence-iii
Killed the... Archduke of Austria-Hungary, I believe.
ian crossland
Killed him, and then Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, I believe.
Is that what it was?
james r lawrence-iii
I think that's right.
ian crossland
And then Britain, who was an ally of Serbia, like a NATO, like an alliance, declared war on Austria-Hungary.
Britain declared war because they were an ally of the Serbs.
So then... Gavrilo.
Gavrilo Princip.
Thank you very much.
He and two other guys tried to kill France.
He was the one that actually pulled it off.
tim pool
But wasn't it like he screwed up and then by luck happened to have accidentally run into him later on?
ian crossland
I don't know.
There was a carriage going down the road and they were like hiding out and waiting.
They couldn't get their thing.
He threw a grenade in, I think, into the carriage and killed Franz Ferdinand and his wife.
tim pool
Man.
james r lawrence-iii
Right.
ian crossland
And then so after Austria-Hungary declared war on Britain, I think one of Britain's allies declared war.
I'm sorry, after Britain declared war on Austria-Hungary, then Germany declared war on Britain, and then France declared war on Germany.
Some dumb stuff like that.
All of a sudden you have, inadvertently, what they call later a world war.
So we gotta avoid that.
That's what NATO is setting us up for, is if something happens in Sweden, then they declare war on Russia, or Russia declares war on Sweden because some dumb Sweden national, and then Britain declares war on Russia.
Like, come on, guys.
Come on.
james r lawrence-iii
That's the wisdom of George Washington's farewell address, right?
That America should avoid being in entangling alliances with foreign countries to avoid precisely the outcome that you're talking about.
ian crossland
But the other argument is, if we had not had the defensive alignment against Nazi Germany, that he would have taken Poland, and then he would have taken France, and then he would have taken Italy, and then he would have taken over the world.
james r lawrence-iii
But you have to, I think you have to start with World War I to analyze everything that happened right afterward, and the circumstances that led to really the most catastrophic war in human history up to that point, and what could have been done to prevent it.
I mean, it was an It was eminently, in many ways, preventable war.
mary morgan
The Second World War?
james r lawrence-iii
No, I'm talking about the World War I, in the first instance.
ian crossland
The Great War.
james r lawrence-iii
The Great War.
Right.
The war to end all wars.
The war for democracy and freedom.
But again, not well understood, it seems.
ian crossland
There's a YouTube channel called The Great War.
I highly recommend it.
They went from 2014 to 2018.
Every week, they would make a video talking about what happened 100 years before, because 1940 was basically the centennial of World War I, and they would go week by week.
Every week, there's a video about 17 million people died today in the Somme, or whatever, on this four-month battle that went on in eastern France between the British and the Trench and then the Germans, and it was just like, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill.
They'd take like a half a mile of land and then the next day they'd get it taken back and they'd just kill.
Death, death, death.
And it's modern war.
They keep stressing in modern war the most advanced weapons are used.
You do not see it coming.
Do not engage in this stuff now.
That's my personal statement on it.
Do not engage in this.
I don't like appeasement though.
I don't like the idea of like, let the conqueror conquer.
james r lawrence-iii
Right.
ian crossland
But I mean, Taiwan is right next to China.
It's, it's, it's, I don't know, how far away is it?
Three miles away from the mainland or something?
james r lawrence-iii
I don't think it's that close.
ian crossland
How close is it?
james r lawrence-iii
It's, it's, it's right off the coast.
ian crossland
Dude, this has probably been having this discussion for 100,000 years.
james r lawrence-iii
But, you know, to your point about what the people in 1914 to 1918 went through, the courage, the brutality of it.
And then you think about the world that we live in today and the difference that each and every one of us can make in the world and the comparatively little sacrifice that we have to make to make a difference.
Because standing for truth and justice in our world today, I mean, what's the worst that's going to happen to you?
You might lose your job, right?
You might lose prestige.
ian crossland
You might lose your life.
james r lawrence-iii
You might, you might, but you know, you're not being asked to run into machine gun fire like those guys were, you know.
ian crossland
There's a movie called They Shall Not Grow Old, I believe that's the name of it, about World War I, where they colorized a lot of footage.
When you see the guys get out of the trench and run and just fall down, because the machine gun... I'm reading about what pulled the U.S.
tim pool
into World War I. It's actually a lot over several years.
The sinking of the Lusitania, the SS Arabic, they were attacked.
Wilson was furious over unrestricted submarine warfare.
Germany backed off.
And then ultimately, with the warfare going on, the German submarine offensive, there was food shortages happening in the United States.
So then they were just like, public support started to ramp up, people were pissed.
I'm still reading a little bit, but it's kind of crazy because with the World War II, it was like, we got attacked.
james r lawrence-iii
Right.
tim pool
We got attacked and we were like, all right, that's it, we're pissed.
ian crossland
World War I, the Americans were funding the British, basically.
They were sending them food and weapons and stuff.
So the Germans were like, F this.
So they started blowing up American transports.
And then Americans were like, hey, don't blow up our transports.
We're just ferrying people across the sea.
And the Germans were like, no, you're not.
tim pool
Y'all are gonna love this.
On April 6th, Congress declared war on Germany.
Remember the good old days when Congress declared war?
james r lawrence-iii
The only, the last time was World War II, right?
tim pool
Was it really?
james r lawrence-iii
Right, I think that's the last time the United States declared war.
Every other war, right?
tim pool
The Iraq War.
I mean, I feel like that was the end of the soul of the United States then.
You know, we win World War II and then all of a sudden these corrupt individuals are like, well now we're gonna do limited warfare.
Kissinger?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I was watching, have you guys ever watched The Good Place?
james r lawrence-iii
No.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I'm not that big of a fan, but I'm watching it because I've like watched everything else basically.
It's actually not bad.
It ended a few years ago, but I was just laughing because in the end of the show, they're referencing people on Earth who did good.
And then the demon guy, he's like, well, then I want to name bad people!
Henry Kissinger!
And then I just started laughing.
I was like, that was a great, great reference for a TV show to make.
ian crossland
I would love to meet Kissinger someday, because I used to think of him as just a vile demon.
But now I'm like, well, maybe limited war prevented World War III at the time.
tim pool
You know, I used to think of him as a vile demon.
Now I think of him as a narcissistic, sociopathic vile demon, you know, intent on just causing human suffering.
So, you know, it's only gotten worse.
It's only worse.
ian crossland
If we could get materials from place to place without effort, then we're talking.
Then we don't really need as much con- we don't really need conflict.
If we can get food into the desert through like stratospheric drone delivery or something like that, as long as people don't need to take It's going to be interesting in 50 years.
tim pool
I don't know if it's going to be a civil war or if it's going to be a World War III.
But it's looking like it's going to be a World War III and then the U.S.
just crumples.
And then it's going to be... I mean, you look at World War I, you had the Russian Revolution.
james r lawrence-iii
Right.
tim pool
So we could be looking at something like that.
ian crossland
Yeah, and the Russians pulled out of the war after the communists took over.
They were like, communists were like, we're anti-war!
That was a big part of their thing.
So they killed a bunch of people, took the country, and basically screwed the, what are they called, the Entente?
No, the Entente was the Germans and the Austrians.
james r lawrence-iii
The Central Powers?
ian crossland
The Central Powers were German-Austrians.
The Entente was the British, the French, and the Italians.
And after Russia pulled out, it like screwed them over.
They were like, well, there goes our ally.
But then the Americans came in and Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
when Trump said what we're even involved in World War I anyway and then they made fun
of him.
james r lawrence-iii
Yeah, right.
tim pool
We were talking, we had Michael Malice on and he made the same point.
He was like, yeah, no, we shouldn't have been.
It was Woodrow Wilson was this disaster of a president.
Wasn't he the Federal Reserve president?
ian crossland
Yeah.
james r lawrence-iii
He did sign the act.
I don't know if he was ever the president of the Fed.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm not saying he was president of the Fed.
He was the president at the time of the Federal Reserve.
That's what I meant.
james r lawrence-iii
Sorry.
tim pool
When I said of the Federal Reserve, I meant that was something that was from him.
james r lawrence-iii
It grew from him.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
Yeah.
What is it?
He's like the worst president we've ever had.
ian crossland
He even acknowledged that was the biggest mistake or one that he ever made.
Have you heard that speech where he talks about that he unwittingly gave control of the United States to a bunch of bureaucrats?
james r lawrence-iii
No, I haven't.
I didn't realize.
No, he did a lot.
He did a lot of bad things, though.
He did a lot of bad things for the country.
ian crossland
He's a bad guy.
james r lawrence-iii
He's a bad guy.
And, you know, the Espionage Act and restrictions on curtailments on civil liberties during the war.
tim pool
Did he do the FBI?
james r lawrence-iii
No, I don't.
I don't know.
I don't know who was responsible for the FBI, but... No, it was later, I think.
ian crossland
J. Edgar Hoover was in the 20s, maybe?
james r lawrence-iii
Maybe.
tim pool
Was it?
unidentified
1908.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So, but I don't think that... Teddy Roosevelt?
Yeah, that wasn't Wilson then.
james r lawrence-iii
But Wilson was... Wilson was a progressive, and he...
And our entry into World War I really, I think you can argue, created a chain reaction and did not serve our interest or really the world's interest in many ways.
tim pool
It was Theodore Roosevelt.
He did the FBI.
ian crossland
Teddy.
mary morgan
What about the CIA?
tim pool
The CIA.
I wonder if that came later.
Yeah, 40s.
james r lawrence-iii
That's my guess.
tim pool
That was like Cold War stuff, right?
1947.
Yeah, so who was 1947?
james r lawrence-iii
Truman.
tim pool
Yep.
There it is right there.
Truman.
Yep.
Wow, man.
We look back at all this stuff and we're just like, what a big mistake.
And now we just keep trucking along.
ian crossland
Did you hear that Eisenhower speech when he was leaving office and was like, well, sorry guys, we created a military industrial complex.
If you let it get out of control, it's going to take over.
But it was the best we could do.
We had no choice.
He was basically alluding to that.
Sorry, it's the best we could do.
Just don't let it get out of hand.
tim pool
Man, I can only imagine being around in like the late 40s, being involved in this stuff and just thinking to yourself like, well, long-term destruction to this country is underway.
You know, just sit back and live your life while you can.
I wonder if many of them were thinking that with all the stuff they did.
Then you look at everything that we have now and it's just spiraling.
This is Goodwill Acid.
You know, people need to realize something.
We grew up in a golden age.
All these millennials, you know, Mary, you especially.
Golden age.
As bad as everything's been.
Like, we've had a recession.
We've had COVID and everything.
But like, the 80s to the early, to like the 20, like beginning of 2010 or whatever, it was in the United States.
I understand 9-11.
I'm not trying to downplay that.
But for a lot of us, it was just like air conditioning, fast food, fast cars.
The 90s, especially we didn't, you know, most people grew up in a world where it was like, when I'm reading about world war one, I'm like, holy.
Like while all this stuff is going on, they're like, the Americans are like, we don't want war.
There's like Pancho Villa expansionism.
There's Northern Ireland.
All of these conflicts happening everywhere.
People just blowing each other up.
And then we grew up in this area where it's like the United States in bubbled itself.
And we are just like, what are we complaining about?
james r lawrence-iii
I was gonna say you had the Spanish flu too.
I think that was in 1918, right?
That killed millions of people.
ian crossland
So watching that footage from the world from the they shall not grow old like you see how flimsy the human body is what we think of as we're protected and all that crap like man just do what you provoke it over there.
You're provoking it everywhere.
I got this quote from Woodrow Wilson.
This is after he signed the Federal Reserve Act.
He said, I'm a most unhappy man.
I've unwittingly ruined my country.
A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated.
The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We've come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world.
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
But he signed the stupid thing.
And then he was like, look what I did.
I don't know why he signed that.
tim pool
Normally, I would, well, we are going to go to Super Chats, but I have bad news.
YouTube crashed on us and wiped out most, wiped out all the Super Chats from before like 9, 10.
So we'll just read as many as we can that came after that.
But my apologies.
If YouTube breaks, I don't know, man.
But would you kindly smash that like button if you haven't already?
Subscribe to this channel and share the show if you do like it.
Head over to TimCast.com.
We are going to have a members-only segment coming up for you, and we're going to be talking about vaccine mandates and social media policies pertaining to that, efficacy, etc.
And that will be at TimCast.com.
And it's going to be particularly interesting.
We save the spicier stuff sometimes.
Sometimes we have to, unfortunately.
But let's read some of your superchats.
All right, Steve Houser says, ha, Tim, you just admitted that conservatives do stuff.
I gotcha.
Lol, keep doing what you want and need.
By the way, there will be no nuclear war.
Self-preservation is a major factor.
Self-preservation is the factor as to why I think there may be.
Because Russia's looking at NATO expanding all around it.
Now Finland, Latvia, I think Estonia?
No, no, no, no.
Latvia, what are the countries on the board?
Is it Estonia?
It might be.
NATO nations that are on the border with Russia already.
So now you got Finland?
Up the map?
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm on Brave, so the map doesn't have Google Maps.
tim pool
Yeah, well anyway, you get the point.
Russia's gonna say, in order to preserve ourselves, it's now or never.
unidentified
So, that's my fear.
tim pool
Alright.
Sunny Z says, hey Tim, I attempted to purchase a subscription on your site via Parallel Economy.
Would not let me.
Kept timing out on the final step.
Tried Firefox, Chrome, and Edge.
Stripe worked fine.
Sorry to hear it.
We're always taking a look at it.
I gotta tell you guys, you know, we're a bit scrappy.
We have like 30 employees, and we're trying to create a subscription service and build shows and do all that stuff, so these are the early days.
ian crossland
Try do it with a different browser, too.
tim pool
He did.
He said he tried a bunch of multiple browsers.
ian crossland
Clear your cache.
I see.
tim pool
Control F5, maybe.
Yeah.
But this is why we also do have Stripe.
Stripe isn't perfect, but they've done a substantially better job than PayPal.
Locals uses Stripe, which is Rumble, basically.
So we're cool with Stripe for the most part.
But, you know, I got no issue with them.
And their CEO has actually been responsive to issues.
So I think they're better, way better than PayPal.
But parallel economy is what we're actually excited to promote and be a part of because this is something new that's definitively anti-censorship.
You were saying?
ian crossland
On the border of Russia in the north is Finland, then Estonia, Latvia, and Belarus.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Lithuania is further west.
tim pool
And then there was concern about Ukraine, but Ukraine had a lot to do with gas, natural gas, and Gazprom.
But Finland, now you got another NATO country on their border?
Yo, they're not happy about this.
Yeah, man.
It's tough.
All right.
Let's see.
Let's grab some more Super Chits.
Let's see, Gad says, why Nancy Pelosi?
She's the speaker, not a diplomat.
I don't know.
I think the Biden administration said Nancy shouldn't go, right?
Is that what happened?
ian crossland
Oh, I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, they warned her about going.
Maybe she was just... Oh, there was a story the other day that Paul Pelosi sold off at a loss a bunch of Nvidia stocks.
ian crossland
Yeah, $300,000 loss.
$365,000 loss.
Ooh, like one for every day of the year.
tim pool
Some people said it was just tax loss harvesting.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was thinking that across my mind.
They want to write off a loss on their yearly earnings so that they go under some sort of tax bracket.
tim pool
Well, I mean, it's just harvesting a loss.
So you can be like, I'm going to keep the stock anyway, so you might buy back in or whatever.
I don't know exactly how it works.
But I just think it's really funny timing, you know, with Taiwan and TSMC and the chips bill.
Yeah, particularly convenient.
james r lawrence-iii
How is it that so many people go to Washington and make $175,000 a year in Congress and create generational wealth?
tim pool
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?
james r lawrence-iii
It is an interesting question.
tim pool
Isn't it like more than half of Congress are millionaires?
james r lawrence-iii
Maybe.
I don't know.
tim pool
Something like that.
Quad Fu says, please invite Mike Glover on the show.
He is the founder of American Contingency, whose logo appears on the leaked FBI docs about MVE.
He is getting legal together for a potential defamation suit.
Interesting.
Do you guys see that Ted Cruz smack down Ray from the FBI?
ian crossland
Negative.
james r lawrence-iii
I think I did see.
tim pool
The project Veritas released this from a whistleblower that the FBI considers symbols of American
history to be extremist symbols, like the Betsy Ross flag.
And one of the symbols they list is called the Gonzalez flag.
You guys know what that is?
No.
It's a, it's a cannon artillery and it says, come and take it.
The story's actually really funny.
The history of the Gonzales.
It's like Texas.
And it was the colony, I think, of Gonzales.
I think it was a colony.
And they requested defense.
And they were given one old brass cannon.
And so that's what they had.
And then the Mexican colonels or whatever, commanders, came over and said, turn over your cannon.
And they made a flag with the cannon on it saying, come and take it.
And it's like this one cannon.
And they're like, to war!
So the funny thing is when Ted Cruz was like, questioning like why the Betsy Ross flag is on there.
He pulls off his own boot and slaps it on the table because his boot has the Gonzalez flag on it.
He's from Texas.
I thought that was amazing.
Yep.
And then he mentions that this militia extremism doesn't include any Antifa or any leftist stuff on it.
ian crossland
Or cartels, let's be honest.
Yeah.
Their lack of, what would you call it, I guess, leadership on the cartel management is concerning.
tim pool
The Gadsden flag was on it.
And he pulled it.
Here's a license plate from Virginia.
And he's like, so all the people who have Virginia license plates?
I see them everywhere over here.
Because we're on the border with Virginia.
Yep, they're all extremists.
He didn't have an answer.
It's just insane.
The DOJ has been weaponized completely.
They've lost it.
Alright, Chris Dobler says, back off China, Japan has Godzilla.
Alright.
That's right.
Alright, let's see.
Top Gundy says, several infants were left to die after being born alive during botched abortions in Minnesota in 2021.
Wow.
Said they sent Lydia the links on Twitter.
james r lawrence-iii
Terrible.
tim pool
Crazy.
james r lawrence-iii
Terrible.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Adrian says, it's time for nationalism.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
I agree.
All right, Grace Fang wants to challenge Ian.
He says, Ian, you have an ignorant view of Christianity.
You are taking your own personal experiences and nitpicky bias over the littlest thing.
Nothing is perfect.
Everyone and everything has fault.
ian crossland
I can't deny that what you said was true.
tim pool
Well, all right.
Andrew Hobson says Taiwan is not, nor has it ever been a territory of China, or as the real ones call it, West Taiwan.
Agreed.
Taiwan is the actual China.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And the CCP took over the mainland, and they are an occupying force, and I am not a fan.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Republic of China is, what is it, 170 islands?
Taiwan's about 98% of the land mass of their country.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm completely in favor of unification of Taiwan with West Taiwan.
ian crossland
That's a good idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, that would be a way that would be way better for everybody.
Imagine what would happen to the CCP, like to the people of China, if the CCP was was removed.
unidentified
And it was like, Dude, China's amazing, man.
ian crossland
As a country, the peop- The history?
Yeah, and the land, like the geography is incredible, too.
The history, dude, of the temples in the west, like in the mountains, in Shu.
I want to go.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Interesting.
Man of Culture says, the internment of Japanese ethnics happened because of the Ni'iahu incident where a Japanese couple tried to help a downed enemy pilot escape Hawaii.
Interesting.
Tyler W says, if it makes anyone feel better for Taiwan, China is going to destabilize demographically, politically, and economically in the next decade or so.
You know, that's not a good thing.
A country that's facing a collapse is a desperate country, and war shores up resources.
So like, think of the United States, and the culture war, and food shortages, military-industrial complex, One of the reasons, they say, that the U.S.
economy did so well after World War II was that we blew up all of the competition.
After the war, if you wanted autos, for instance, it was the U.S.
building and exporting.
And these other industries, Germany and Japan, were wiped out.
We will see.
We will see.
Tian!
Walmaron says China buying farmland and distracting the US with a Taiwan war so Russia can take Ukraine to control fertilizer.
It's a bait-and-switch tactic to ensure we will live under communist rule.
Well, it's coming, man.
ian crossland
Yeah, I just saw BlackRock partnered with Coinbase.
That's another concern.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I've been hearing that!
People have been saying for some reason their superchats are getting blocked.
They're not able to post them, so I don't know why.
chat. This is my seventh attempt. I've been hearing that people have been saying for some reason their
superchats are getting blocked. They're not able to post them, so I don't know why. But
it must be just an accident, right? Just a- Just a mistake.
ian crossland
Just a coding error.
Maybe the things you're typing in are taboo on the system or something.
tim pool
I had a video, I think it was about trans children or something, and when it went up, it was getting no views, and then it had no audio on it.
On my end, when I played it, it was perfect.
When other people played it, there was no audio and some people didn't even see it.
And so then, you know, our social media manager here, Dane, he was like, there's no sound.
unidentified
What happened?
tim pool
And I was like, my file is totally fine.
So I had to re-upload and then delete it.
Very weird.
And they always just say, it must be a mistake.
And I'm like, how does a mistake like that happen?
Come on.
Doesn't happen to Jimmy Kimmel, does it?
All right, let's grab some more.
Sparky says NATO started war.
Putin's an anti-globalist hero.
I absolutely 100% disagree.
I see Putin as despotic.
I'm not a fan of what Russia is doing, but I'm also not so blind to just act like NATO's expansion isn't a provocation.
I do not believe that Putin is a good dude at all.
He is not a good dude.
james r lawrence-iii
All right.
tim pool
Ola, I don't know how to pronounce this, Soberg, says Turkey-Erdogan is still against Sweden and Finland joining NATO.
All member states must agree.
What are Putin and Erdogan talking about, you think?
I mean, that'd be crazy if Turkey breaks off and sides with Russia.
Man, things would get crazy real quick.
All right.
Jonathan Harris says, question for James.
As a fellow NC resident, why do you think we can't even pass medicinal marijuana when I can drive up north to VA and buy legally?
james r lawrence-iii
You know, that's a good question.
I think there, I know there was a renewed effort in the General Assembly to try to get something done on medical marijuana.
And, you know, I think there are It's a divisive issue for North Carolina Republicans as to legalization of any marijuana, any liberalization of those laws.
So maybe it's a generational thing.
I think there are people in at least the North Carolina Senate that are trying to move the ball forward on that issue.
But you raise a legitimate question, it doesn't make It's not internally consistent, right?
That you could go to the VA and get it, but you can't go elsewhere.
It just doesn't make sense.
But there are a lot of things that we labor under on a daily basis that are inconsistent.
Like we saw, of course, in the COVID lockdowns, right?
That don't make sense yet, yet are.
So hopefully something good will happen in that regard.
tim pool
Tyrants Hunter says, Tim, look at the Venezuela war games this month.
China and Russia are being given the ability to build bases there.
Yep.
unidentified
That sounds interesting.
Oh.
tim pool
All right.
Polly Bruce says, peace will inevitably come soon when the sun micro-nova the magnetic shield flips and the crust displaces again.
Invite Ben Davidson from Suspicious Observer on YouTube channel before it's too late.
You know what I'm really excited about?
So we have Tales from the Inverted World, hosted by Shane Cashman, and we're launching a new show, The Inverted World Podcast, which is specifically a conversational show taking calls.
But I also would love to see Shane sit down with all of these different conspiracy theory people.
Conspiracy theory is not the right word for it.
Like mud flood, for instance, right?
You know what that is?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
The idea that a lot of civilization's been covered with mud.
tim pool
Like there was one great civilization, and then there was a great flood, and it buried all of these buildings in mud.
ian crossland
And that would have been recent, too, which is the weird thing.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Because it's like modern buildings.
tim pool
Well, no, they're modern buildings because we think they're modern.
ian crossland
Ooh, interesting.
tim pool
That's what the theory is.
Anyway, it's not a conspiracy, this theory.
It's like weird alternate history stuff, so.
I'm really interested to see if we can incorporate that stuff too, like get some flat earther to try and explain what they think and then, you know, have a conversation with people who think these weird things, you know?
ian crossland
Love it.
tim pool
Yeah.
There was a funny graphic I commented on earlier.
It was the Sun tabloid showing a map of the world and China was firing missiles to the U.S.
and the U.S.
was firing missiles back.
But it was just like, it was the typical, like, British style projection of Earth.
So as a flat 2D picture, it shows China firing to the west.
It's like, you know, China would, if it was a globe, fire to the east, but more importantly, fire to the north.
Because it would go over to the, because the Earth is round, it's going to go over the North Pole before hitting the US.
ian crossland
It also fires straight down from right above us.
You know, that can happen too.
So keep that in mind.
tim pool
When I flew from New York to Hong Kong, we went over the North Pole.
And then, like, that's the shortest distance.
So that's what you do.
But they drew this picture.
It was actually really funny.
All right.
Let's grab some superchats.
Brandon Bryant says, hasn't Putin already offered a line to the U.S.
when he first came into power, and the U.S.
rejected and basically disrespected them?
Is that true?
I didn't know that.
ian crossland
That's what it felt like in the late 2013.
I mean, he wouldn't do interviews and be like, I tried to have diplomacy with these people and they won't talk.
And now they're using massive propaganda against Russia.
tim pool
Triton 54 says, Ian is correct.
A single Ohio-class submarine, SSGN, can fire hundreds of conventional tomahawks and destroy every warship participating in these exercises.
More chicken, Ian.
ian crossland
Oh, holler.
tim pool
Submarines are crazy.
You ever been on one?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You guys ever been on a submarine?
james r lawrence-iii
20,000 leagues under the sea at Disney World, maybe?
I think that's it.
tim pool
I got to, there was a, I can't remember where I was, but you pay 20 bucks and they let you go onto a submarine.
james r lawrence-iii
Okay.
tim pool
Like you just walk up, go down.
That sounds miserable.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
The worst thing ever.
It was so cramped.
And I'm like, people lived here?
And they were like, yeah.
And I think like when they, I can't remember the number they gave me, but I was like, that's even crazier.
It's already cramped.
ian crossland
Like they're there for two months at a time or something?
unidentified
Yep.
james r lawrence-iii
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah, that's so crazy.
james r lawrence-iii
I imagine being in that in the middle of a war too, right?
tim pool
Might be the safest place to be, I guess.
james r lawrence-iii
Yeah, maybe.
tim pool
Yeah, you're like, no one knows where I am.
I'll just be safely hiding under the water.
Barrett Hodges says, Britain did not get involved until Belgium was invaded by Germany in World War I. Belgium.
james r lawrence-iii
Belgium, yeah.
The tripwire.
tim pool
Cliff Lord says, Ian, check out Benny Will's poem, Who Is They, on YouTube.
There's a song by the singer Jem called They, and it's really funny because there's a bunch of like, you know, hate speech researchers who claim the word they is anti-semitic, and it references the Jews specifically.
And so then whenever this song, whenever I put on like Pandora or something and the song comes on, It's called they and she says like who made up all the
rules, we follow them like fools.
And then I'm like, based on the context from the Anti-Defamation League, this lady is very
anti-Semitic. Like everything she's saying. But of course, they could be anybody. Well,
that's what they do. I'm referring specifically in they, I'm referring to like the hate speech
researchers, not any class of people. Anything you say, they're like, that, what you're saying?
That's actually anti-Semitic. And you're like, okay, what?
Like when Alex Jones was saying globalist, they came out and claimed globalist was an anti-Semitic
slur.
And I'm like, Alex Jones not talking about Jewish people.
What are you talking about?
He's probably more likely to be talking about lizard people than Jewish people, but that's what they do.
That's how they get you.
mary morgan
The consultant class, is they.
tim pool
Yeah, the consultant.
All right.
Catman says, got triggered last night when you denied my existence.
LOL.
Catman was a DC character at one point.
ian crossland
Catman.
tim pool
Didn't you claim there was no Catman?
ian crossland
I thought there was no Catman.
You are wrong.
Catwoman.
I didn't know there was a Catman.
unidentified
Catbro.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, I watched Kill All Others again recently.
Y'all should too.
It's the Google yellow to white change.
We will be the others unless we are not.
Have you guys seen this?
What show was that?
That was on.
You want to look that up?
Kill all others?
ian crossland
All others, yeah.
Isn't it like, you're not an other?
I think Electric Dreams?
tim pool
Yes.
Yo, you should watch it.
Okay.
Everyone listening right now, you should watch Electric Dreams.
I mean, the whole series.
ian crossland
This comes from The Hanging Stranger, a short story by Philip K. Dick.
tim pool
Yep.
So Electric Dreams is Philip K. Dick's stories.
The whole show is good.
The whole series, like Electric Dreams, it's like, it's Philip K. Dick stories, but the Kill All Others story is like, basically this guy one day is watching TV and a politician says that they want to kill all others, and then he's like, what?
And then when he goes to work, nobody cares.
And he's like, did you see what they said?
And they were like, no, you're mistaken.
And he's like, no, they really said this.
Like, no, that couldn't have happened.
The crazy thing about it is, because of what you were saying to me the other day, Ian, where you're like, when you went and talked to your parents, and said Biden's crazy and your mom was like, no, he's not.
Then you come back a month later and she's like, yeah, actually.
But that first response, when we had like, Richie McGinnis and his mom on,
and I mentioned that feminists are more likely And she was like, no, they aren't.
It felt just like that show they're portraying.
That when this politician said they wanted to kill all others, he goes to work and they're like, no, I don't know what you're talking about.
I didn't see that.
That's crazy.
That never happened.
And he's like, I watched it.
How did you not watch it?
And then he goes outside and there's like a woman running, screaming and people are chasing after her and they throw her down.
And he's like, what are you doing?
And they're like, she's an other.
And he's like, leave her alone.
And they go, What, are you an other?
Are you one of them?
And he's like, no, no.
And then like, it's basically just a show giving you a metaphor for the others.
When people start blaming a different faction, someone else for their problems.
It's a good show, man.
You should totally watch it, for real.
ian crossland
I'll have to check it out.
tim pool
Vadir Sombra says, so I have hundreds of pounds of food, many bags of sticks with thousands of food pellets.
As we approach potential World War III event, how do I explain, express to those in denial?
Well, I don't know if, like, look, I'll put it this way.
Janet just fired a bunch of missiles over Taiwan, so, I mean, if you're gonna be a prepper, now's really the time to be a prepper, I guess.
They said a food shortage is coming.
I'm not telling anybody to stock up on, you know, beans or anything like that.
But if a food shortage is coming and they keep saying it, they're screaming it, you know, I'll put it this way.
We talk about how, you know, we say Joe Biden's crazy and your mom doesn't see it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Mentally deficient was, I think.
Of your mom?
The weird thing is I told her that like five months ago and she was like, yeah, yeah, I know.
I get it.
I get it.
Then I saw her again and she was like, no, he's not.
He's fine.
Then I saw her the third time.
She's like, yeah, yeah, I get it.
I'm like, what is happening?
How can someone go in and out of this?
Like you want to, I guess she wants to like him.
I think that's the problem.
tim pool
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I'll just tell you.
There's a lot of people who aren't paying attention.
And so when you say something like, I just bought some emergency food, they laugh.
They're like, well, what are you talking about?
You're crazy.
And then you're like, well.
mary morgan
That's a self-soothing thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
To say that preppers are crazy.
tim pool
Yeah.
Preppers are laughing.
You know, like they could, China could literally launch an ICBM and they'd be sitting in their rocking chair with their shotgun being like, I'm good.
I know what's up.
I don't care.
So it's kind of like, what do you have to lose by prepping?
Did preppers lose at anything?
They're hunting and farming and foraging and storing up food.
And just living!
And then everyone's laughing at them and they're like, I don't care.
Like, they're not being hurt at all by prepping.
At all.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I would say don't, don't like publicize your, your prep because you become a target to people that don't have anything.
That's, that's probably the worst thing that could happen from a vocal prepper.
tim pool
Yeah.
But in the event something does happen, they're going to be like, okay, I'm good.
Everyone else will be screaming.
It'll be like, there'll be zombie apocalypse in New York.
What do you think, what do you think 2.5 million people on Manhattan Island are going to do in three days when there's no food left?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Create new types of food.
tim pool
Create new types of food.
Eat each other is what I'm talking about.
ian crossland
Eat fish.
Don't go fishing is what I meant.
tim pool
In the Hudson.
The beautiful Hudson River.
unidentified
Lots of fishing.
tim pool
The Gowanus Canal.
Sludge.
Yeah, the people who start, it's going to be like Fallout, but not because of nuclear wars, because they're going to start eating fish from the Hudson and then their skin's going to start falling off.
mary morgan
Remember that TikTok of that girl that jumped in the Hudson River with the Statue of Liberty in the shot?
unidentified
No!
mary morgan
What happened?
I guess she wasn't from New York, but she jumped in the water.
I think she ended up being fine though.
tim pool
Yeah, you end up being sick.
It would've been funny if she jumped out.
She was like, ah!
And her skin's like melting.
It's like the guy from Indiana Jones when they open the Ark of the Covenant.
ian crossland
Is it just like a human waste dump and a chemical dump or something?
tim pool
The river?
It's just filthy.
It's the city.
There's tons of waste.
I'm gonna tell you guys a story.
It's been a long time, so I could be getting this wrong.
Just taking the consideration.
but when I was working for this environmental non-profit, they said, they went to Lake Michigan Beach in Chicago,
and they asked everyone to do a survey.
Everybody filled out a survey and gave their information.
They said, we're gonna call you back in a couple days.
They then called everybody back and asked them if they had gotten sick,
and what kind of sickness they got, and it was something like 90% of people
who went into Lake Michigan got diarrhea within the next day.
Like, they got sick from something.
They probably ingested some of the water, the water's filthy, because all that crap from all the cities around Lake Michigan funnels down into Chicago, and then everyone swims in it.
unidentified
Ew.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yup, that's Chicago.
Gotta love it.
I always had this fake conspiracy theory that on St.
Patrick's Day when they dye the river green, they're just finding a way to secretly get rid of toxic waste.
Like, yeah, we're dyeing the river green!
Pouring sludge and industrial waste into the river.
Then everyone's like, yay!
No, they're just dyeing it green.
It's so weird that they dye the river green.
mary morgan
Is it with algae or something?
unidentified
I don't know.
mary morgan
Like some natural way?
tim pool
I don't know.
Maybe my fake conspiracy is a real conspiracy.
People actually think it or something.
All right.
Ken says, no offense to your sponsors, but also being low carb, what plans do you make for emergency food?
Or would you go full 1700s and switch to easier to store grains, etc.
Avoid turkeys.
They're mean.
Um, yo, if the apocalypse happened, I'll eat tree bark.
Like I'll eat what I have to eat.
You can eat leaves.
I was working one day and I saw a deer eating leaves and then I looked up, can you eat leaves?
And you can, you can eat them.
They, you know, we eat, we eat a lot of leaves, you know, spinach.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Romaine, all the good stuff.
But I was reading like what you're supposed to do and this thing online said, you rip the leaf and then rub it on your skin and then wait 15 minutes and if there's no reaction, then you rip a leaf and then you rub it on your mouth and then you wait and if there's no reaction, then you take a small piece and you eat it and you wait and if there's no reaction, then you eat a little bit more and then after a few days of slowly increasing, you'll find out if you're safe to eat certain leaves.
ian crossland
And probably everyone should do that.
If there was a group of people, one person doing it isn't enough because someone might
have an allergy.
tim pool
Same thing with berries.
Now, look, don't take advice from me.
I'm just saying I read something online.
I don't know if it's true, but they would say like you take like a fruit and you rub
it on your skin to see if it causes some kind of reaction or toxin or something like that.
But also out here we got a wineberry season and we got pawpaw season coming up.
I'm really excited for that.
There's just there's it's just like infinite food.
You go outside and they're just raining pawpaws down on your head and they're hitting you
and they're delicious.
ian crossland
I'm reading about the Chicago River getting tied.
It says it's more or less food coloring.
I don't know what that means.
unidentified
Why would they do... More or less?
ian crossland
That's so wild.
I wonder what they dye it with.
I gotta know.
tim pool
Remember when Dave Matthews Band's bus driver released all the sewage onto that boat?
ian crossland
Yeah!
On top of somebody.
tim pool
Legend.
It's a Chicago legend.
They were driving over the bridge, and then the bus driver just pressed, like, the black water release.
Because the bridge is graded and they thought they'd get away with it.
And then there's a boat, like a wedding party right underneath and they all got sprayed.
Yeah, the legend of the Dave Matthews band.
I don't want to say what it's called, but we'll call it the ish shower.
Yep, those were the days, man.
All right.
Yeah, man.
Sheldon France says, Submariner here, our SSBNs have the capacity to carry enough nuclear warheads to blow up a majority of the world.
We have 14 of them.
I don't know why, it's not a good thing.
But what do you do when everyone else is doing it, man?
Mike Derusha says greens in a salad are dandelion leaves.
Greens?
What do you mean greens?
Like collard greens or what?
ian crossland
I think just the greens in the salad.
It's a strange sentence.
I think the sentence fragment was improperly typed.
tim pool
It's quote, greens, end quote, in a salad.
I don't know, is that like what, spring mix or something?
I don't know what you're talking about.
I know you can eat dandelion.
I didn't know that dandelion is not native to here and we brought it here because it was medicinal.
And then I started watching all these videos of these mountain hillbillies doing, they do the deep fried dandelion.
It's like an Appalachia thing.
Yeah, I'm excited to try it.
We just don't have any dandelions right now.
ian crossland
All right, last I'm going to say on the Chicago River getting dye green.
They do it with 60 pounds of dye and it's top secret formula that they call leprechaun dust.
mary morgan
Someone commented that it was like a totally safe plant based food dye.
ian crossland
Then it must be true.
I hope it is.
Dear God, how could you do that to your fish pot?
tim pool
When did they start doing it?
ian crossland
Sixties?
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
Some guy at a big factory and he's like, what am I gonna do with all this industrial waste?
unidentified
1962.
mary morgan
Orange when it's in powder.
tim pool
Just dump it in the river.
It's orange?
mary morgan
When it's dry.
Oh, weird.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
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tim pool
Right on.
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tim pool
I'm going to say it's like 100 times more fun than this show, because everything here is like, the world's ending.
ian crossland
It's a wild ride.
I'll be on.
unidentified
The world's ending.
Suffer!
mary morgan
We literally party.
tim pool
Yeah, and then Pop Culture Crisis is like, you see that new movie?
Hanging out, money's flying through the air, and it's like, wash away all of your pains.
ian crossland
I'll be on Pop Culture Crisis tomorrow at 3 p.m.
mary morgan
Yes.
ian crossland
Looking forward to seeing you there.
Last, like I said, the last, last thing I'm going to say about the Chicago River.
Apparently some plumbers spilled green dye into the water.
Mayor Daley Sr.
saw it and wanted to know if they could do it again for St.
Patrick's Day.
Maybe they used a different dye.
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unidentified
Hey, I talk way more on the members podcast.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com.
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