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July 18, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Colbert INSURRECTION Crew Will NOT Be Charged In Double Standard w/Taylor Silverman
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tim pool
you insurrectionists will face no criminal charges.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because no one told them they had to leave.
So apparently entering into a building without approval is not trespassing because no one told them to leave.
It's funny.
I seem to recall there's this beanie-wearing podcaster who pointed that out about the January 6th protesters, not the people riding in the front of course, but the people who walked in when the doors were opened for them, and a certain other Progressive podcasting outlet got really angry and called the Beanie Man stupid!
Congratulations, the Young Turks, to getting this one so horribly wrong.
But many people are pointing out the double standard.
I'm not entirely sure it's a complete double standard.
The people who worked for Colbert, and they didn't all work for Colbert, were some contractors, entered into the Capitol building.
I think, actually, it was one of the buildings.
I think it was the Capitol building.
And they were arrested and charged for unlawful entry.
They're not going to be prosecuted.
And it's because no one told them they had to leave.
That's how trespassing works.
There have been, there's at least one case so far where a guy has charges dismissed from January 6th because he proved not only that, but the cops waved him in.
So I actually think this is really, really good for the January 6th defendants who are going to point this out when it comes to their trials.
So as much as people are complaining about the double standard, which is fair, let's see When they bring this up in court, how it's handled.
We also have another story.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, oh no.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
Marjorie, oh no.
She tweeted something very offensive about Dr. Rachel Levine, and Twitter gave her a flag saying like, yeah, you broke the rules, but we're not taking it down.
And we'll talk about that, because it's a crazy topic nonetheless, and I understand why MTG is upset about what's currently happening with Dr. Rachel Levine advocating for child gender affirmation surgeries.
So naturally, a lot of people are getting heated on this.
We've got a bunch of other stories.
Joe Biden's economic policy has failed, and his approval is in the gutter, well below, like, basically all of the previous presidents.
And this one's funny.
The Young Turks calling Joe Rogan right-wing media again because Joe called Trump like a big baby or something.
unidentified
And it's just like, but we'll talk about it, I guess.
tim pool
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Joining us today, with perfect timing, considering the comments from Marjorie Taylor Greene, is Taylor Silverman.
taylor silverman
Hi, I'm Taylor Silverman.
I'm a skateboarder and I am one of the new employees here at TimCast.
tim pool
You've also been doing a ton of speaking about women's sports, protecting women's sports.
You spoke in DC at a big event.
What was that?
taylor silverman
The Our Bodies Our Sports Rally.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
So it'll be cool to talk to you about, I mean, it's cool to hang out.
You talked about everything.
For those that aren't familiar, Taylor's been helping with the vlog, although we have special new shows and other things planned with Taylor's help, so we're really excited for that.
And then, yeah, thanks for hanging out, Taylor.
taylor silverman
Yeah, thanks for having me.
tim pool
We got Jamie!
jamie kilstein
Hey everybody, I'm Jamie Kilstein.
I'm a stand-up comedian.
I am writing the Castcastle vlog, which there will be a huge announcement on tomorrow.
YouTube.com slash Castcastle.
We are doing really big, really exciting things.
You guys will find out about that tomorrow.
I'm doing stand-up comedy in Houston.
August 5th and 6th.
I try not to curse on this show.
It is very difficult.
I will unload hate speech.
I won't.
But I will be very filthy.
August 5th and 6th.
You can get tickets at TheRiotHTX.com.
That's in Houston, Texas.
TheRiotHTX.com.
I also have a big announcement.
Maybe not as big as Tim's, but close.
Because of the TimCast followers, I have surpassed On Twitter, my pre-cancellation numbers.
You are uncancelled.
I am uncancelled.
I actually now have more followers than I did before I got cancelled.
So if you would like to be part of that, you can go to twitter.com slash jamiekilstein and I love you all.
taylor silverman
Wait, everybody doesn't get 15,000 followers when they get cancelled?
jamie kilstein
I guess not.
tim pool
You gained followers.
jamie kilstein
She gained followers.
You know what I should have done when they were like, you cheated on your wife?
I should have been like, uh, trans people can't play sports with women!
And then I would have gotten, I would have gone home.
taylor silverman
Get reverse cancelled.
jamie kilstein
Yeah, that would have been the best.
I screwed up.
ian crossland
Gotta stoke the flames.
Gotta keep it hot!
Strike!
When the iron is smoking.
I also am here to play Ian Crossland from iancrossland.net.
You can catch me out there anytime.
Hit me up on social media.
But let's get down to this.
lydia smith
Yes, I am so excited to have Taylor on tonight.
She and I were talking over the show about some all sorts of issues.
We talked for like an hour and a half.
It's great.
She's gonna be a great guest and I'm excited for tonight's show.
tim pool
Just want to say, uh, Anomaly was actually supposed to be on the show today, but, uh, I guess the airline, the airport closed?
lydia smith
So here's the deal.
The weather was insane on the East Coast.
He was supposed to leave the airport at 2.20 PM.
He was texting us at like 5 PM saying, I haven't left yet.
And I was like, I don't know if this is going to work.
It was a short flight, but he was going to continue on.
Hopefully we can re-bick him in the future.
Optimistic about that.
tim pool
Yes.
And, uh, well, let's jump into this first story.
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen, from the Daily Mail.
Stephen Colbert's The Late Show staff, who were arrested for unlawful entry into the Capitol last month, will not be prosecuted.
DOJ says they wouldn't have been able to get convictions of those, including Triumph the insult comic dog.
Now, why is that?
Is it because they're in D.C.
and D.C.
likes these people?
Is that how it works?
I would assume so, but let's read.
So the nine members of the Late Show staff arrested for unlawfully entering the Capitol last month will not be prosecuted, the DOJ has ruled.
The Capitol Police released a statement Monday night in an update on the incident involving members associated with Stephen Colbert's talk show.
They say the U.S.
Attorney's Office then confirmed they would not be moving forward with the case because they wouldn't have been able to secure convictions according to a statement obtained by Axios.
So let me just, uh, here we go.
They said the United States Capitol Police have been working with the U.S.
Attorney's Office, the district, blah, blah, blah.
The U.S.
C- U.S.
C.P.
arrested nine people for unlawful entry, uh, because members of the group had been told several times before they entered the congressional buildings that they had to remain with a staff escort inside the building, and they failed to do so.
The U.S.
Capitol Police was just informed the U.S.
Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia is declining to prosecute the case.
We respect the decision the office has made.
Colbert dismissed the comparison between the arrests and the January 6th riot as a non-surrection, and joked Triumph the Insult comic dog should be charged with first-degree puppetry.
Ha ha ha.
No, it's a point.
It's a point about double standard.
jamie kilstein
He should be arrested for that joke.
lydia smith
Seriously.
tim pool
I mean, the show is just not funny.
jamie kilstein
It used to be.
Did you like it back?
Like back in the day when he was doing the just the O'Reilly thing and a lot of people didn't even know it was satire.
I thought it was different and funny.
And then it just slow Trump made comedy like comedians just brains break, essentially.
unidentified
And yeah, it's political punditry.
ian crossland
If you watch the beginning of the show, it's like a political monologue.
Almost the last one I watched was I had to turn it off.
Yeah, no, I didn't have to.
I chose to.
jamie kilstein
There you go.
You're your own man.
ian crossland
Feeny toe.
I had enough.
Stephen Colbert and his fake smile.
Like he's one of those people look at pictures of me that he's smiling even when you know, like he's not necessarily happy today.
He's just a joker.
jamie kilstein
It's that kind of smile where you're like, Oh, you're hurting inside.
What's going on there?
tim pool
So Mike Cernovich tweeted this.
When you have absolute power, you don't even need to pretend.
Even as people face trial for walking into a building with open doors, D.C.
Democrats free their own regime propaganda.
That is one way to put it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But I think it's true.
They would not have been able to secure a conviction because you bring Triumph, the insult comic dog actor, into a courtroom with jurors from D.C.
and they're going to be like, but they're the good guys.
They're allowed to break the law.
Right?
jamie kilstein
Also, I mean, first of all, if he was in court, my God, I hope they would let him, like, actually act using the puppet.
It would be amazing.
tim pool
Can you provide for the jury a demonstration of your show?
Okay, here's the thing.
jamie kilstein
That would be great.
Houston!
Houston, August, where I can actually say that and not feel bad.
I mean, I remember, so my last day job, I was 22, I worked at Borders Books and Music in Columbus Circle, where I pretty much almost got fired every day.
I would hide under the desk and drink cough syrup.
I was a very sad boy.
But CNN was right there.
And the one time I hung out with Robert Smigel, who does Triumph, it was me, Robert Smigel,
and Tucker Carlson.
Just- Wait, what?
Just kicking it.
tim pool
No, you're joking.
jamie kilstein
No, I swear to God.
It was before the second George Bush election.
Tucker wasn't like known as like- He's wearing a bow tie.
Yeah.
He was wearing the bow tie and he was just like, ah, Bush is going to win.
But like, he didn't seem thrilled about it.
They were just hanging out.
They were just like literally kicking it, drinking outside of this borders.
And it was one of those moments where I'm like, this whole thing is fake.
lydia smith
This is weird.
jamie kilstein
It's all, it's all fake.
Like nobody actually, there's no one on the right who seriously thinks that Colbert and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog should be arrested.
And then the majority of the people on the left, not on Twitter, either they were sort of fed complete fear propaganda about January 6th, or they're just kind of indifferent about it.
You know what I mean?
tim pool
The polls show most people actually don't care.
jamie kilstein
They don't care.
tim pool
They're like, what?
jamie kilstein
I mean, I will say it is different in the sense that Colbert, funny or not, is attempting comedy, was attempting satire, just like if we tried to do a bit on the White House steps or whatever for Cask Castle, whereas January 6th was politically motivated.
tim pool
Both are 1A issues.
So your right to satirize, insult, and mock is the same as your right to march to the Capitol in protest.
The thing is, So look, the people who rioted and smashed windows, obviously you charge them.
jamie kilstein
That's what I'm saying, yes.
tim pool
You see them on camera, they're being violent, they're destroying things.
You know, that pisses me off.
There was like a book stand by a window that someone smashed into, and it's like, bro, that's like an artifact of this country, if not the greatest nation on this planet in terms of expansion of civil rights and the hard-fought battles we've had, and you're just besmirching this awesome stuff.
But the people who entered the building when the doors were opened did nothing.
jamie kilstein
That, yeah.
tim pool
They walked up, one guy had a cop waving him in, and he showed that to the judge and the
judge said, okay, dismiss.
That's insane.
You can't charge someone for that.
The fact that there are people still sitting in jail, or that old lady, that old lady was
not, look, correct me if I'm wrong, but that 69-year-old cancer patient, I'm pretty sure
wasn't smashing windows and fighting with cops.
jamie kilstein
Should have been a Russian asset, bro.
You don't know.
tim pool
She was charged with trespassing because people on the other side of the building that didn't see the riot walked up to open doors.
There's a video of police opening the door saying, I don't agree with it, but I respect it.
And those people are like, yay.
And they're being let in.
jamie kilstein
Right.
tim pool
But the Colbert people get let go.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We got serious trouble in this country.
If there's two tier legal system.
jamie kilstein
You should definitely let that old lady go.
I didn't know about that.
She was probably just looking for her grandkids or something.
lydia smith
Yeah, who knows?
tim pool
I mean, regardless, it's like, she's 69 and she has cancer, dude.
And they paid her two months.
jamie kilstein
She's probably... Two months.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's really obvious the message they're sending.
You know, this is why so many people just side with the left on everything, refuse to speak up, because they know which way the machine churns.
They know which way the valve is going.
And if you just blindly march in lockstep, You get, you get leeway.
You get, you get free access.
But if you're some, you know, doofy MAGA guy who sees the cop open the doors and smile and wave you in and take a selfie with you, they're gonna put you in solitary.
lydia smith
Yeah this is really troubling to me because I see this as the politicization of our justice system which should upset everyone and I know the left isn't gonna think this is a big deal until it comes for them because they never tend to but the fact of the matter is that this will affect everyone and anyone who's looking past what Thomas Sowell calls the first stage, like stage one, is gonna realize that this is gonna turn around and bite them really hard somewhere down the road.
jamie kilstein
I gotta read Thomas Sowell.
lydia smith
Yes you do!
jamie kilstein
I used to say this when I Got in a bit of trouble for talking about drone strikes on Conan when I was like, hey, if I know we like Obama, I know he makes cool Spotify playlists.
I know his wife seems awesome and he plays basketball and they high five and fist bump and she has a garden.
But also if he is droning weddings and children, even if you like it when Obama does it because Obama doesn't like a cool guy way.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
Yes.
jamie kilstein
You, who is going to be the next president?
And everyone was like, it's fine.
And then it was Donald Trump.
And it's like, that's why people need principles instead of parties.
If you have principles, these are the principles I stand for.
Then it doesn't matter who's in power.
And in fact, you should be more upset when it's your team going against your
morals because they represent you.
So, man, shouldn't you speak up?
That's why when it's like I hear cops speak up against, you know, bad cops, you go, yeah, man, that's really important.
When you hear liberals talk about how woke culture has gone crazy, it's like, yeah, it's like, you know, the people you get mad at the most in your life are your family.
And one, it's most of our families are insane.
But also it's because like we love them.
They mean the most to us.
So you're more emotionally invested.
I wish people did that instead of just blindly going on Twitter.
And I used to do this.
Something controversial would happen and I'd be like, man, I don't know about this issue.
And then I'd see how sort of my team lined up and I go, all right, well, I guess that's the tweet.
I guess I got to side with them or else I'm going to get in trouble.
tim pool
That's the craziest thing, when the Covington Catholic thing happened.
Do you know about that?
The Covington Catholic thing?
So like, you're like being thrust into politics and like, you know, recently.
So there are these kids standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, minding their own business, when some dude gets in his face banging the drum.
Someone snipped that video from like, it was like a really long live stream or something, wasn't it?
And then they put up this clip making it seem like the kid got in the face of the Native American and was like mocking him or something.
Really?
And so I was getting inundated with people who were like moderate libertarian right wing
being like, dude, Tim, did you see this?
This is messed up.
Like it's making us look bad.
And then I was like, what is it?
And they were like, bro, this kid got in his face.
And I was like, really?
Where's the video?
And like, it's right there.
I'm like, that's just a video of two people standing in front of each other.
But everyone just got in lockstep.
And this is the problem with modern politics.
But this is also why you will not be criminally charged.
Because not one of these people is like, I'm not going up against the woke mob for this.
Do you think a DC prosecutor is like, oh yeah, I'll get reelected if I do that, sorry.
No, no, no.
It's all political.
If you get arrested, like Steve Bannon right now, he just walked out of court recently for the contempt charges.
A D.C.
jury?
They don't care.
Apparently, I saw, fact check me on this one, I just saw it, and there's a lot of preliminary work that's gotta be done, a juror apparently said, I don't care what he says, I won't believe a word he says because of who he affiliates with.
jamie kilstein
Well, that person shouldn't be on a jury.
tim pool
That's right!
But this, look, when Chauvin was being, was gonna be tried in Minnesota, they tried to get a change of venue, but the judge said, there is no venue in the state where people don't know about this case.
My opinion, then, is case dismissed.
If you can't have a fair trial, you're done.
jamie kilstein
Right.
tim pool
You could maybe ask for another state to hold the trial where people don't know, but you can argue if everybody is biased against you and you can't have a fair trial, you cannot be tried, you are free to go, because it is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.
Instead, they were just like, eh, we'll have a sham trial.
There's riots outside, the jurors are being brought in with armed police officers carrying rifles, and everybody is terrified of the riots, and the jurors actually said they were scared of the riots, but, uh, seems fair to me.
That's where we're going.
ian crossland
Shervin got the book thrown at him about two weeks ago, I think.
What did he do, like a five life sentences or something stupid?
Is that what it was?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Some, some ridiculous.
jamie kilstein
I mean, to be fair, he's a murderer.
Like that was not good.
And also set back poli- like this again is what I was talking about, right?
It's like you have something that blatant.
It's not a Black Lives Matter versus Blue Lives Matter.
Oh, we're going to get into our first fight.
tim pool
No, I don't think, I don't think you watched any of the case.
I don't think you, uh.
jamie kilstein
The video?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't think you know anything about it.
jamie kilstein
I just watched the video.
ian crossland
There's multiple videos.
tim pool
Did you watch the full nine minute body camera footage?
And did you listen to the police experts?
jamie kilstein
No, Tim, I'm trying to live a happy life.
I just saw what Twitter wanted me to see and I saw the guy who killed him.
I was like, all right, I'm done.
ian crossland
The show, it was when you learned the drugs that, uh, what's George Floyd was on.
He was on five different drugs.
I think he was fentanyl.
He was behind the wheel of a car, high on fentanyl.
So he should have been arrested immediately for that stuff.
Methamphetamines.
He had nicotine, marijuana.
jamie kilstein
Well, why did you guys tell me that before I wore my George Floyd t-shirt on the show tonight?
ian crossland
You need all types.
jamie kilstein
Come on, man.
ian crossland
He has to be put on the ground, but Chauvin did murder him.
He did kill him.
And as far as we can tell, it was an illegal killing, so that's considered a murder.
jamie kilstein
I mean, here's what I'm basing it on.
No, of course I didn't know that stuff.
You probably had to dig to find that stuff because it was so against the mainstream.
I'm basing what I'm talking about on the cops I've talked to who were, like, livid.
tim pool
And in the trial—sorry to interrupt.
jamie kilstein
No, no, no, you're good.
tim pool
But in the trial, the state's own witness argued that Chauvin was justified in using a higher degree of force than he actually used.
They actually had the continuum of force shown in the trial, and he said, because George Floyd was on drugs, you know, like, they don't know exactly what he was doing, but he was belligerent.
jamie kilstein
Yeah.
tim pool
Kicking on the chair and screaming.
At that degree, the state allowed, the police are allowed to use tasers.
Chauvin, I don't believe, pulled him out of the vehicle.
I'm not sure if he pulled him out of the vehicle.
ian crossland
He asked to be pulled out.
He was in the backseat.
That was before Chauvin got there.
Yeah, and then they pulled him out later on.
I don't know.
I don't know if Chauvin was involved.
tim pool
When Chauvin arrived, he was kicking to get out of the vehicle, and the state that was prosecuting Chauvin said, Yes, he could have used a higher degree of force, but chose not to.
Right then, I was like, whoa, you got reasonable doubt on murder.
You have a cop who is told by his training that he is allowed to use a taser, but said, I'm gonna do less force than I'm actually allowed to do.
Right there, I'm like, that's it.
He had no intent to kill them.
jamie kilstein
Well, but he did less force improperly.
tim pool
And this is why cops need to be- There's a picture in the training manual of the police doing that exact maneuver.
jamie kilstein
And no, no, no, no, no.
But what I'm saying is improperly in the sense that, and this is from the cops I've talked to as well, they are trained horrifically.
One, they don't train enough.
Two, a lot of their training is antiquated, especially when it comes to hand-to-hand combat.
Well, I was listening to Jocko talk about the response of the Uvalde shooting.
And he made a great point that I will quote now everywhere I go, whereas cops
should spend 20% of their time training period training and firearms training
and tactical situations, training and jujitsu.
If you, I mean, one, a taser probably wouldn't have killed him.
Whereas that improper choke would have any blue belt, you train
jujitsu for a year, two years.
You know how to put someone who is on drugs.
The reason jujitsu is great is because if someone's on, if he's all high on PCP
and I break someone's arm and stuff, he may not feel it.
tim pool
All right, but hold on.
Hold on.
So for one I think there was a probably justifiable manslaughter charge in the duration of the the Restraint yes, right, but that's about it.
The the issue is is Do we tell this one officer who was instructed to do everything he did that he's going to pay the price for the broken system to appease a mob?
Or do we change the system?
Instead of actually changing anything, all they did was lock this guy and the other cops up and then tell all the activists, mission accomplished, and the activists went away?
jamie kilstein
Well and this is the problem with so many issues is we just try to duct tape solutions so people move on to the next thing they're angry about and we don't actually change the system.
This happens with all the systems that are broken where it's like I think between that between the school shootings we absolutely need to be focusing on like getting cops better training and it doesn't seem like that means defunding them.
It means getting them better training and letting them train more instead of just you know sit around.
ian crossland
I concur.
taylor silverman
I agree, too.
tim pool
Well, to wrap it all back up with the point of the segment, though, just to make the point.
jamie kilstein
No, let's end on everyone agreeing with me.
ian crossland
You're talking about this trial.
taylor silverman
I was going to say, regardless of what people believe about the case, it's really dangerous how many people pass a judgment on it without watching the trial and without getting all the evidence.
tim pool
Politics 101.
We sit here on the show, we pull up the clips, we watched Rittenhouse.
We had how many?
Seven witnesses to the Rittenhouse case on this show.
lydia smith
Seven, I think.
tim pool
Journalists, people involved, people who are like, I can only say a little bit because I've been subpoenaed.
And then from these interviews, we were like, it's very clear Kyle Rittenhouse was innocent.
But did the media do any of that?
It's remarkable that you've got people who are like, you know, Tim Kast isn't journalism.
What we do isn't journalism.
And it's like, well, for one, this show is political commentary on journalism.
But when we're sitting here with you, watching these videos, showing you the sources, explaining why we think this source is good, that's like a million times better journalism than, say, the New York Times lying about, you know, Ukraine or something and Trump.
jamie kilstein
Well, and also, we can ask questions.
That's why I love being on this show.
Where it's like, when you asked me if I saw that video, I was like, nope!
Like, this is what I saw, and now that is going to, of course, and it should, uh, inform me.
Whereas if I knew something you guys didn't...
You guys would do the same thing, right?
tim pool
But look, I think one of the strongest divisions between left and right of this country is the left doesn't know anything about the news and the right does.
And that's really it.
It's exemplified a million to one when I point out Ground.News, BiasFactCheck, TwitterBlindSpotter, load up Ben Shapiro like the most prominent conservative orthodox Jew and you'll find him balanced between left and right wing news.
You pull up the entire NBC news team and it's all 100% left wing.
jamie kilstein
That was me, remember?
tim pool
Yeah, so this is the issue with this country, is that these people like Washington Post, CNN, whoever else, who smeared the Covenant Catholic kids.
Yeah, because they don't read, they don't watch, they did zero investigation.
And you know what I did?
I watched the two-hour livestream.
Someone was like, what happened?
I was like, well, I better watch this two-hour livestream on Facebook to see what it's all about.
And I was like, so the black Hebrew Israelites were there and the kids were heckling them because they're racist anti-Semites.
And then this Native American guy got up in their faces and someone snipped that and accused them.
I was like, okay.
So I made a video about it saying, why is everybody doing this?
Even conservatives were like, they didn't read anything.
I was amazed by that.
Then you got AOC.
She fabricated her January 6th story.
Completely fabricated it.
And I'm just like, dude.
Look, there is the exception on the right that prominent figures will put out fake news.
It's the exception.
It happens?
I'll call them out.
It is the rule on the left.
Almost everything they say is always just misinformed, malformed nonsense.
jamie kilstein
Well, the bottom line is if you truly believe in your convictions, if you truly believe in your side, if you truly believe in what you are voting for, then lying, exaggerating, Not letting the other side, not even addressing the other side, it's going to completely contradict what you're trying to do.
It's just going to turn people against you.
tim pool
There's just two cultures in this country and we're seeing the emergence of, there was an article today I was reading about the emergence of parallel economies.
And I'll do the shout out too.
Several years ago, I said the dangerous thing about censorship with what's happening on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, is that it will lead to what's called a parallel economy.
We've seen this pre-World War I, when people stop trading with each other, it creates distinct economic blocks that can arm and develop resources.
And then sustain a fight with each other.
If there is one economic system, a sustained fight is not possible because one group that gets excised from it struggles to maintain any kind of resources.
This is the goal of sanctions.
We're going to cut you out of the global financial payment system and then you can't wage war against us.
Although that's failing because I would argue, you know, Joe Biden.
But now we're actually seeing it.
And the funny thing is about the emergence of the parallel economy, we're a part of it.
We are actively supporting the company called Parallel Economy, which we use.
Sign up at TimCast.com and support Parallel Economy.
But they literally call themselves Parallel Economy.
ian crossland
Art imitates life.
And there will be a multitude of Parallel Economies.
This is not the last.
tim pool
But I think it might start... Look, you've got Getter, Parler, TruthSocial.
That's a sort of fracturing.
But eventually, the quote-unquote right will have its singular space, which may be TruthSocial.
It will have its track, its version of Silicon Valley, which is forming in Florida with Rumble and Parallel Economy.
I believe Parallel Economy is in Florida.
I'm not entirely sure.
But you're going to have the emergence of a tech sector on the East Coast to compete against the West Coast tech sector.
And they're going to have two different kinds of rules.
And then you look at Truth Social on the left like, we're not going there, and the right's gonna be like, Twitter's stupid, I got banned, I don't wanna be there anyway.
And then you're gonna have two communication networks, two financial service networks, you are gonna have states completely at odds with each other like you already do, and then...
ian crossland
Well, you know, I think that worst conflict can come from having a unipolar economy because people are more like when you look at revolution, all these horrible bloody revolutions, pretty much, maybe not all of them, but I'm saying the revolts against monarchs, not all of them, but a lot of the horrific stuff we've seen in society is a revolt against a monarch.
I guess you could say that two parallel economies might come to blows as well, but I find like slave uprisings are more dangerous.
And insidious because people blow up their own land to get out.
And I mean, of course, an enemy will blow up your land as well.
And maybe they're equally as dangerous.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story and cause some trouble.
ian crossland
Thanks for letting me crap that out there, Tim.
tim pool
Axios.com reports from Axios, Twitter refuses to remove Marjorie Taylor Greene's transphobic tweets.
I have so much to say.
jamie kilstein
Here we go, Queen.
tim pool
Twitter on Monday labeled but refused to take down a pair of highly transphobic tweets attacking Admiral Rachel Levine, the Assistant Secretary of Health for the U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services.
Why it matters.
Twitter has a practice of often labeling but not removing tweets from elected officials that would otherwise violate its terms of service.
The tweets linked here misgender Levine while also using extremely vile terminology to describe
gender reassignment surgery.
Twitter's move means that people have to click through a warning to view the tweets.
Twitter will also limit sharing of the posts.
What they're saying, quote, the tweet you referenced violated the Twitter rules of hate
on hateful conduct.
Twitter said in a statement to Axios.
However, we've determined that it may be in the public's interest for the tweet to remain accessible and has been labeled in line with our policies.
I just want to pause real quick and say, if there is a barrier to seeing a statement from a public official, Twitter is engaged in politicking.
They are engaged in providing special favors for certain politicians and political ideologies That has to be stopped, okay?
Like, imagine if during the civil rights movement, all the big companies were like, you're not allowed to advocate for these things because they're unpopular, so we won't even cover them in the newspaper.
Or if we do, people have to pay extra.
I mean, you need people to be able to talk about ideas.
GLAAD, the LGBTQ civil rights group, condemned the move, saying,
This account has repeatedly and intentionally violated Twitter's hateful conduct guidelines
against targeted deadnaming and misgendering of trans people. A GLAAD spokesperson told Axios,
It's clear that some politicians see pushing malicious anti-trans content on social media
as part of their election strategy, even with the full knowledge that such content is violative.
I'll say this.
Jamie brought up the point before the show that Marjorie Taylor Greene, uh, do you want to just
jamie kilstein
I mean, okay, I'll set this up so you can read, so you can read the tweet.
tim pool
Oh no, we're not gonna read the tweet.
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't think we're gonna read it.
jamie kilstein
Oh, we can't!
lydia smith
No, we can't.
jamie kilstein
You guys have to, okay, you guys have to read it.
Guys, guys, listen to me.
Everyone, grab a drink and go read the tweet.
Cause it is a masterpiece.
tim pool
I mean, I think both left and the right would agree.
jamie kilstein
Yes, it is taking something that should be super simple that we should all agree on.
tim pool
Do not give sex changes to children.
jamie kilstein
That's it.
That's all you have to say.
She could have spent less time tweeting if she just wrote, don't give sex change to children.
And then she could have gone and hung out with her kids or done whatever she did.
Instead, she was like, what if I write something completely nuts and I'll have some rhymes
in there and I'll just and like I can't.
She will make things that should be simple, insane and and and offensive where it's like,
hey, I don't like wearing masks.
And she's like, got it.
I'm going to bring up Nazis.
And you're like, no, don't do that.
tim pool
Over the top.
So I can understand the anger.
Hands down.
Admiral Rachel Levine made a video advocating for affirmation of children, which means sex
change operations for children and medical intervention and sterilization and things
like that.
And Marjorie Taylor Greene naturally is angry.
But Marjorie Taylor Greene, look, you know, we've had her on the show, we'll have her on the show again soon.
I think there's a lot, so much about her that's fantastic, the way she challenges Congress.
In this instance, And we'll talk about it, because something like Alex Stein is gonna happen again, but I just feel like the righteous indignation wasn't there.
Instead, it came out as, like, unserious?
jamie kilstein
Like, silly?
taylor silverman
It's hard to take her seriously when she takes stuff to, like, an offensive and ridiculous place.
tim pool
It's Trumpian.
It's Trumpian.
So I gotta say this, you know, we're talking about it now.
And maybe that's why we see a lot of this.
If she came out and just said, this is wrong, we wouldn't be saying anything about the issue of giving sex change operations to children coming from the government.
Right?
Advocacy coming from the government.
And so, you know, look, I don't like the way she framed it.
I'm glad the conversation is being put in the forefront.
And there's a problem in this country if that's how it has to get done.
So let me make this point about Alex Stein.
I criticized him for calling AOC big-booty Latina.
And I'm like, what does that accomplish?
And then it turns out, a lot actually, because AOC then came out and called 1-6 effectively an inside job because of the lack of security at the Capitol.
And I was like, wow!
That's like really strange.
unidentified
Pretty cool.
tim pool
But let me just say like we got a problem with I guess humanity if you have to do things like this to generate a conversation about screwed up things.
jamie kilstein
Because I was about to make the exact point that you made with Stein.
Where I was going to be like, who is thinking, I'm going to let my kid transition and then they jump on Facebook and they're like, Peen Queen and then suddenly they change their mind.
Who is that actually helping?
Even us talking about it.
We're not talking about it.
We're not talking about child safety right now.
We're talking about this dumb tweet.
But I also, you know, I thought all the Trump stuff wasn't gonna work and it worked.
tim pool
I feel like what ends up happening with people like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Alex Stein is they take the brunt of the ire and then a conversation erupts around the issue.
jamie kilstein
Well, and I think you nailed it where it's like, the system is broken.
We should be able to talk about it.
Just being like, Hey, what's best for kids?
Can we have that conversation?
It shouldn't be about, you know, clickbait tweets.
tim pool
You know, we, we try to have, I'm just wondering if the time for decorum is meaningless.
The, the, the time to, for, for, uh, cordiality or, uh, collegial behavior is just, it's out.
taylor silverman
Well, maybe she could at least get a little more creative so that her shock factor isn't at the expense of others.
Because it's always offensive to one group or another.
tim pool
Yeah, but the issue here is neither side cares at all about the other side.
So why are the Democrats doing a one-sided January 6th trial?
Because they don't care to convince Republicans.
They want to rile up Democrats to get them to vote.
They think, we've locked it in, there's no one else to get, get them riled up.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, I'd assume... I'll ask her, like, what was your thought behind this tweet?
jamie kilstein
Can we be like, walk us through your creative process, please?
tim pool
Well, it's an unserious tweet.
Like, I mean, hands down, I'm sure a lot of people thought it was funny.
I'm sure a lot of people... No one thought it was funny.
That's not true.
She's got major fans.
unidentified
She's huge.
tim pool
She raised more money, I'm pretty sure, than like any other member of Congress.
jamie kilstein
What is happening?
tim pool
Because she does things like this.
And that's why Trump was able to do it too.
Because there are a lot of people who just want the symbols and the machine behind what they oppose to be struck down.
So for Antifa, it's a brick through a window.
Does the brick through the window actually change the system?
jamie kilstein
No.
tim pool
That doesn't even start a conversation.
The one thing I can say to this is like, I don't like the tweet, but she got people talking about it.
The Assistant Secretary for the Health and Human Services is advocating for children to get sex change operations.
Okay, well look, fine.
Regular, moderate individuals, post-liberals, disaffected liberals, we can all sit here and be like, I don't like the things she said.
It's like, well, who else is calling out and standing up against the government advocating for this kind of stuff?
jamie kilstein
Uh, the worst part is going to be when I meet her and I like her.
tim pool
And you will!
This is the funny thing.
Like, I told Jamie this before, I was like, Jamie, you're going to agree with everything she says.
jamie kilstein
Oh, I hate it.
I hate it so much.
You guys won't tell anybody, right?
Guys, I can't lose the new followers I got post-cancellation.
Come on, keep it between us.
tim pool
Things like this, obviously, people are going to be like, there's going to be a lot of people who very much like what she said.
And she's going to stand by what she said and be like, I'm allowed to say it and all that stuff, and she is.
And there's going to be a lot of people like us, former liberals or still traditional liberals, that have aligned with the moderates, libertarians, and right because the woke stuff's crazy.
And we're going to be like, she's right, but did she have to say it that way?
And in the end, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter because there's nothing that's going to get me to join the side of those giving sex change operations to children.
So, it doesn't matter.
She can say whatever she wants.
Twitter can choose to ban her or not.
Her saying something that I might not like, or saying something I agree with but in a way I don't like, won't change the fact that the left already hates her, they're gonna keep hating her, the right likes her.
I just feel like both sides have said, we've got everybody we can get, let's roll.
jamie kilstein
And if the left was intelligent at all, They would see that people like us are aligning closer with ludicrous tweets like that than the policies they're putting forward, and they would go, hey, maybe we need to back up a little bit.
Like, maybe we're screwing up if people are siding with this.
tim pool
There's two distinct cultures in this country, and there's no mending that divide anymore.
There was a period where it was one country splitting down the middle, but we are well past that point.
This is an example of it.
What's happening with DC with Colbert is an example of it.
There's Team A, Team B, there's Team Red, there's Team Blue.
And if a Team Red person walks into the courtroom, and it's in a Team Blue district, they're gonna be like... I think there's more.
ian crossland
I don't identify with political teams.
Like, people that are like, my team's the right Republican Red, my team's the left Democratic Blue.
I'm like, I got a team.
If I'm on a team, it's not a politics team.
I'm bored with politics.
I don't like blabber.
I'm on team, like, science.
If there's, like, a, you know, quantum science team, that's, you know, my... Except...
tim pool
Except, Ian, if you were criminally charged in DC, they would just convict you simply because you're on this show.
ian crossland
I wouldn't make assumptions.
You never know.
And it depends on what it's for and what I did.
tim pool
What do you mean make assumptions?
ian crossland
Sometimes people deserve to be convicted.
tim pool
The Colbert people are being released, the January 6th people are not, and it's the exact same crime.
In fact, the Colbert people were warned not to be there.
ian crossland
And they were there after hours, too.
They knew they weren't supposed to be there.
But the other people were involved in a violent attack on the building.
Well, they were there.
This is a big problem.
When someone's a half a block away from a crime that's going on, are they implicated in the thing going on a block away?
tim pool
No, they're not.
ian crossland
Of course not.
So in this building, those people on the other side of the building should be released, in my opinion.
tim pool
Pardoned and released.
So at the very least, there may be people who get released.
But my point is, it's not hypothetical, bro.
We're watching it literally happen.
The previous administration is arresting former Trump officials.
Steve Bannon just left court today.
Like, he is being criminally charged because the Democrats have forced people to go in and testify and provide statements that they're taking out of context in a non-adversarial show trial for January 6th.
jamie kilstein
They put me in their January 6th evidence And my dad texted me about that and was like, hey, where are you working?
And I was like, please, please wait.
tim pool
Send them the op ed.
jamie kilstein
I did.
tim pool
Send them Newsweek and say Newsweek was so shocked to see me included in the evidence that they asked me to write an op ed because they were like, they put the fence sitter milk toast guy in with the guys calling for a red wedding.
The point is, Raskin doesn't care.
Dude is literally like 15 minutes away from us, by the way.
And we have employees in his district.
They don't care.
My point is, you, we're at a time now where you, Ian, might be like, I don't want to be on anyone's team.
That's okay.
They chose for you.
It's like Plato said.
ian crossland
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not against these people.
That's the difference.
If you go into a situation being like, you all are going to convict me.
I know it.
Those people are gonna be like, yeah, we're way more likely to do that now.
But if you go in there saying, I've got an idea to help us all, they're going to be way less likely to convict you.
tim pool
I think you're just wrong.
ian crossland
It's just social dynamics.
tim pool
I don't know why you think you're outside of what was actually happening.
It's like you can watch it happen, we can see it happen, you can comment on it happening saying it's wrong, and then be like, but it wouldn't happen to me.
I don't get it.
jamie kilstein
I just want to live in Ian's world.
He seems so much happier that way.
ian crossland
It's resolution.
jamie kilstein
I was like, I'm picturing Ian in the courtroom like, brothers, sisters, come together.
Can't we all get along?
And everyone's like, yes!
That's what I want.
I'm not even making fun of you.
I legitimately want that.
ian crossland
I'm talking about pulling carbon out of the atmosphere.
We can do lots of cool stuff.
tim pool
And then the juror says, your honor, I don't care what Ian just said because of who he affiliates with.
Like they did with Steve Bannon.
lydia smith
Cringe.
ian crossland
Okay, who's this juror that doesn't care about the evidence?
tim pool
That is in the trial right now.
ian crossland
Can I defend myself in this clown trial you've created?
tim pool
Yes, and right now is Steve Bannon.
Right now is Steve Bannon, that's what's happening.
ian crossland
What's going on with him?
tim pool
So apparently, and again, I saw a report, someone said a juror told the judge, I don't care what he says.
ian crossland
He should be extracted from the courtroom.
tim pool
Yes, exactly.
And the point is, in D.C., we are literally watching people get released from committing a crime in which they were warned not to do it, did it anyway, and on January 6th, a 69-year-old cancer patient is going to jail for two months because it is a two-tiered system.
ian crossland
I don't know what she did.
I don't know the extent of why.
tim pool
Fair point.
I don't either.
But she was charged with trespassing.
jamie kilstein
That would have been funny if, like, we're defending her and she was just planting explosives.
ian crossland
She's the one that was waving them in.
jamie kilstein
She's like, I only have a little bit to live.
Let's take this place down.
ian crossland
I don't know.
I don't think that people that have been trespassing right now on capital property should be arrested at all.
I'm not playing double standards here.
I'm not like, well, they did it to them, which was wrong.
So do it to them, which will still be wrong.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
tim pool
What I'm saying is that you are subject to the same system as everybody else.
ian crossland
I understand that part.
tim pool
Right.
You might say like, I don't want to be your team.
And I totally get it.
You're right.
But you are, whether you want to be or not.
They will choose for you.
ian crossland
I mean, we all have tribes.
We have personal tribes and friendships and communities and stuff like that.
But it doesn't have to be a political team.
jamie kilstein
I never believed this.
And I was, you know, but Tim made this point the last time I was on the show.
And unfortunately, it's like, from what I've seen on social media, it's like, you're right.
Which is, the right is far much more accepting right now to people with diverse views than the left is.
And I know that because people on the left who have been fans of mine, who when I started coming on this show without listening would be like, you're out.
And then people on the right who found me on this show will write me and go, Hey man, I don't agree with you, but like, I'm glad you're on the show or whatever.
And to me, one of the reasons that I was on the left, that I loved about it, was we were supposedly the party of inclusion, right?
And now you are far more likely, like you're saying man, to be completely cut out whether it's in the court of law, whether it's on social media, even in like friendship groups.
tim pool
I'm hanging out with far more conservative people who probably disagree with me on a lot more than I would be with like a lot of my old I am coming to believe for a variety of reasons, some private reasons, that the left and the right are being divided among a propensity towards, on the right, morality
Of course.
like a sense of honor, duty, and responsibility, and the left is ignorance or malice.
And so I say tendency or propensity towards.
The right has bad people, obviously.
The right has grifters, the right has all that, but it's the exception.
If you look at, as I mentioned with the bias checker, you look at people on the right,
you'll see they're fairly balanced in trying to understand the world.
You'll see that they're very much about, you know, duty, or family, or protecting, or creating.
And then you look at the life, and it's very much about me.
Me.
Mine.
I get.
I want.
The picture of Leah Thomas on the podium, standing by themself, where the other men are walking away like the entirety of the event is saying to you, We do not like what you are doing right here, but they don't care.
They say, I'm happy.
You have stories of these contests, skateboarding contests, where no one will clap or cheer for the biological male competing against females.
They don't care.
They laugh and they say, so what?
I get mine.
taylor silverman
Did you see that recently Leah Thomas was nominated for NCAA Woman of the Year Award?
tim pool
Yeah.
taylor silverman
Alongside Riley Gaines, who was the swimmer who spoke up about tying with her and being pushed off the podium photo.
It's shocking.
And someone from UPenn didn't get that opportunity at all.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, let's pull that story up.
tim pool
Let me pull this up from NBC.
taylor silverman
I feel sorry for all the girls who got nominated because it's a huge honor to even be nominated and to have it be made a mockery of is so disrespectful.
Insulting, yeah.
tim pool
Here's a story from NBC News.
Trans swimmer Leah Thomas nominated for NCAA Woman of the Year Award.
The University of Pennsylvania athlete shot to fame earlier this year when she became the first transgender NCAA champion in division history.
Now, most of you know the story of Leah Thomas.
I wonder, they don't have the photo here.
There's a photo where Leah Thomas is standing on the podium and all the girls go far away and take a picture together, leaving Leah Thomas, the transgender swimmer, to their lonesome.
This, to me, is an example of the psychopathy, the narcissism, the sociopathy, just all of these, like, I don't know.
Look, the point I was just making for those that are just tuning into this segment was that the right has... Let's go to Jonathan Haidt's research.
The moral foundations.
There are six.
The right has an equal balance of all of them.
Libertarians only have one moral foundation.
It's hilarious.
It's a liberty.
That's it.
They don't care about anything else.
It's kind of creepy, actually, if you look at the questions asked.
And liberals have care and fairness and nothing else.
So it seems like you have a tendency among the right, conservatives, to have a balance to their views.
I wonder if this has something to do with a tendency to live in rural areas.
Like, in our experience, what happens when you catch a cute little animal that is a rabies vector?
Nobody wants to cause harm to the cute little animal, but when you don't, people die.
And so you have to make hard decisions and recognize, hey look, you're hungry?
That chicken?
Kill it.
Who's gonna kill the chicken?
Oh no, but we love the chickens, they're so funny.
You gotta do it.
And I wonder if that's the reason why people growing up in cities, isolated from all of this, have become narcissists, have become egotistical, and have an overreaction towards the idea of care and fairness.
What I've been seeing, on the right, you got your grifters.
You got some people who are notable for copyright infringement, just stealing contents, pulling labels off it.
And they've done well for themselves, and it pisses people off.
But for the most part, you have an attempt at honesty, conversation, compromise.
And then you take a look at the left, and it's malicious, it's ignorant, it's angry.
ian crossland
Care and fairness is getting twisted, I think, in the sense that if you see someone suffering, people are like, oh, I want to make that suffering stop.
But in reality, People sometimes need to suffer to grow, to learn about themselves.
They need to go through pain and hardship.
And like, it's called tough love.
It's a very specific thing.
And to eradicate that and make sure that people are comfortable, frequently, without resistance, they're going to fall.
tim pool
I have to wonder about it though, man.
My experience with, even today, the people on the right, That I'll talk to, for instance, Seamus is a great example.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Seamus gets mad when we argue about abortion, and I say, like, I think there are circumstances where it's the government should not be intervening, and Seamus, of Freedom Tunes, good friend, he's very pro-life and thinks there should be a nationwide ban on it.
And we disagree, and we've gotten heated, and then we write jokes together, and we laugh together, because, you know, we really do just want to live together and hope we can do right by each other.
jamie kilstein
Well, and Seamus also knows you're going to hell, so he...
He wins the long game.
tim pool
Well, Seamus doesn't want me to go to hell.
jamie kilstein
He's trying to save us all.
tim pool
No, he is.
But he literally is.
For his beliefs and his view, that's what he's trying to do.
And when we argue about it, we get angry.
But afterwards, we're laughing, we're having pizza, and we're working together.
but with the with the modern iteration of whatever the left is the reason why people like you Jamie or you Taylor are now all of a Sudden being associated with the right for whatever reason is Because there's an open conversation on the other side of those flames on the left You're surrounded by a wall of fire and they tell you if you go near it You'll be burned and that's why people are scared to speak up and won't but on the other side of it.
We're chilling You know, it's a it's this this is like a It's like that movie The Village.
ian crossland
You ever see that?
That M. Night Shyamalan movie?
They're in the village.
tim pool
It's also like, there's that Breitbart quote I have to bring up and then forget.
lydia smith
The other side of the fire?
tim pool
Well, I don't know.
You want to pull it up again?
So, you know, Andrew Breitbart had a quote about the fire, and then someone told me a different version of it, but I'll let, and I always forget what the quote was, and then I ask Ian to look it up.
ian crossland
It's the walk toward the fire quote.
Let's see it.
Walk toward the fire.
Don't worry about what they call you.
All those things are said against you because they want to stop you in your tracks.
But if you keep going, you're sending a message to the people who are rooting for you, who are agreeing with you.
The message is that they can do it, too.
jamie kilstein
You guys may be like Andrew Breitbart, too.
lydia smith
I know, right?
jamie kilstein
What a day for me.
tim pool
You know, he used to be a huge liberal.
jamie kilstein
I do remember.
Didn't he start like Huffington Post with Ariana?
That's right.
tim pool
So someone told me about that quote.
And then what they said was, think of it like you're surrounded by a wall of fire.
And everyone keeps saying, if you go near that, you'll be burned.
don't go near that. And then eventually someone starts walking towards it with all of them
screaming, stop, you're crazy, you're stupid, you're wrong, don't do it. They get violent,
trying to stop you. And then the person jumps through the fire and now they're on the other
side and what do they see? It's a beach. People are hanging out with cool, crisp air. They're
drinking beers. They're laughing. They're swimming. People are taken off to go home
and everyone else trapped inside is too scared of what's on the other side or to go near
The flames, it's the wokeness.
It's... If I speak up against this person, the woke people will attack me and destroy me.
Well, some people get attacked and destroyed regardless.
Yeah.
unidentified
That's a great... I'm laughing so hard because it's...
jamie kilstein
I mean, even when the, even the beach part of the metaphor, everyone was like, you can't for years.
You can't go on Tim Pool show.
You can't go on Tim Pool show.
Then I show up here and you're like, we have swords and guitars.
And I'm like, this is amazing.
This is so fun.
tim pool
We got drinks.
We got fancy whiskey.
We got people of different political views.
jamie kilstein
Oh, I burn my eyes on pappies?
I never thought that would happen.
tim pool
I'm a man now.
ian crossland
This metaphor of the fire being wokeness is brilliant because if you get near it and then you mock it, it's going to burn you.
But if you pass through it, you're fine.
There's so much more outside of this cult.
jamie kilstein
Well, and guys, I have great news.
I'm going to do the Ian.
I'm going to look straight to camera and say this.
Twitter isn't real.
Like, Twitter isn't real.
The times where you're getting mobbed or you're in an argument, you go outside, birds are still chirping, man.
You go to Starbucks, the cashier will still talk to you, you can still have a normal conversation with people, you can still say hi, you can still pet strangers' dogs.
Like, it is not real.
And I truly believe The majority of people align with us, where they're decent people, they want everybody to have rights, they're not following the news, they don't know about what Marjorie's writing on Facebook, they just want to take care of their families.
ian crossland
But the fire that's woken is moving, it's burning, and if you sit still, if these people outside the fire are fine, but the fire will move and surround them if they're not aware of what's going on.
jamie kilstein
I agree, I do agree.
tim pool
I think you're half right.
taylor silverman
I think that my story is a really good example of that because people were telling me from the very start that I ruined my life and I was never going to have a career and that I should just like hurt myself and leave skateboarding, leave the internet.
But my life has only gotten better.
I've had more opportunities.
I've gotten to actually speak up about this issue and have a bigger platform for it, which is important to me.
That's why I spoke up in the first place.
tim pool
For those that aren't familiar, you competed in a skateboarding contest against a transgender biological male and came in second.
And now you're speaking at big events.
I don't want to make announcements for you, but you've been speaking in a lot.
taylor silverman
Yeah, I've been doing a lot and I'm really grateful for that and I'm grateful to work with a team of other women who are either athletes who have gone through a similar experience or doctors or attorneys who support us.
But had I not just committed to what I said and just gone through that fire, like for lack of a better term, then it would have just passed.
tim pool
And there was a second where you were just getting burned, right?
taylor silverman
For a moment, before you tweeted, before Colin Wright tweeted.
jamie kilstein
And then I saw it, and I was like... Oh, shoutout Colin!
taylor silverman
Yeah, thank you Colin, you're the best.
jamie kilstein
He bought me hot chicken in Nashville.
taylor silverman
I think it was his girlfriend Christina who showed him the story, so shoutout to her too.
tim pool
So let's wrap this all up together, the analogy is actually perfect.
You were warned to stay away from the fire, even though it sucked where you were, and you were like, this is bad.
taylor silverman
It was worse just feeling, like, miserable about not speaking up for myself.
tim pool
But then you walked to the fire and the first thing that happened was you got burned and people started just trapping all over you.
taylor silverman
Well, on the internet, not in real life.
tim pool
No, for sure.
It's like, the burn doesn't kill you, it hurts.
But then, all of a sudden, Colin Wright grabbed your hand and pulled you out of the fire on the other side.
Colin Wright's rad dude.
We're big fans.
He's been on my show several times.
taylor silverman
I got to finally meet him in person.
He was so cool.
jamie kilstein
Well, and actually, and I'll give props to you too, Taylor, by speaking up, I didn't.
I was so scared and so filled with shame with mine that I was just like, I'm going to disappear.
I literally still thought, I was talking about this with Joe at a show.
It was so culty where I was like, by me not defending myself still makes me a better ally.
Like I didn't want to say anything that would make me sound like I was trashing any women.
So I just stayed quiet.
And because my only fans were super woke people, everyone was just like, they got their marching orders and they bailed.
So I didn't have backup.
And then by me staying quiet, There was no one defending me.
You know what I mean?
Like, Joe texted, a couple people texted, but for the most part, I just, I went dark and just started teaching jiu jitsu.
And so when Taylor did speak up for herself, like, that does go to show how powerful it can be when you really believe what you, believe what you preach.
And also when you just go, no, I'm not going to take crap and I'm going to defend myself right away.
There are people who will back you up, which is rad.
tim pool
You know what, like, the best piece of evidence that the right is not a cult is that our good friends over at patriots.win routinely call me cuck.
In other words, but still routinely watch my content and then insult me over it.
ian crossland
Fellow cultists can still call you a cuck.
Beware.
tim pool
No, they hate me.
The point is, they smack talk me, they smack talk Joe, they're like, these people are weak.
But that right there shows they're sharing content outside of their circle.
They're sharing things that other people are saying, explaining why they think we're wrong and why that deserves to be called a cuck or whatever.
And I made a point, I said, this actually shows they're not in a cult.
Because they watch people they disagree with to learn what they're saying.
The cult isolates you from everyone else.
jamie kilstein
And ironically, by watching something that they shouldn't be watching, kind of makes them a cuck.
When do you think about the term?
ian crossland
Self-imposed.
Correct.
jamie kilstein
I refuse to accept that that wasn't funny and I was like, I will sit in this silence until you guys figure out that I'm hilarious.
unidentified
This video is going to live on in perpetuity.
tim pool
Well, how's it since then?
ian crossland
I mean, yeah, what happened exactly without because it's somewhat of a sensitive topic on YouTube and things like that, but you were in a contest and then it was someone that was a transgender woman who was a biological man compete in the contest and won first place.
taylor silverman
That's right.
I got second place.
ian crossland
And then what happened?
taylor silverman
Well, I didn't speak up about it right away because I didn't know how to handle it and I didn't want to... I wanted to just enjoy the contest and skate like normal and I tried to just be a good sport about it but the more that I thought about it the more I realized how unfair it was and how wrong it was and I thought I should reach out to Red Bull so I emailed Eric at Red Bull And it was a polite email.
I just said, hey, I have some concerns about this being unfair.
I'm not sure if you're the right person to talk to about it, but I'm sure you can direct me to the right person.
And we'd emailed before.
He'd always got back to me.
It wasn't like I just emailed customer service and hoped I would hear something.
jamie kilstein
Hoped that it's in one of the cars with a big Red Bull can on top to pick you up?
taylor silverman
No, it was like the guy who was organizing all the stuff for the contest after I had qualified in Michigan, and he just never responded.
So, for a while I just tried to ignore it, and I had shared the story of what had happened with, I'd say, hundreds of skaters, because it had been like four or five months, and everybody was just like, oh my gosh, I'm sorry that happened, and seeing everyone's reaction to it kind of validated the way I was feeling.
And I started to feel really guilty for not speaking up because I had seen other women speak up in other sports and I knew this happened in skateboarding more than just the one time it happened to me.
It happened to me prior and I was seeing it happen in other contests too.
So I felt guilty because I knew that being in second place and there having been money involved, this is the type of story people would listen to.
And I did not expect it to blow up the way that it did.
I thought it would cause some local outrage and at least get a conversation started since obviously emailing Red Bull wasn't a way to start a conversation about it.
They did not want to have that conversation at all.
But yeah, it went viral.
tim pool
Do you think that moms are behind you?
taylor silverman
Oh, I get messages from parents all the time.
There are so many parents who are concerned about their kids and they have young kids and they're concerned that they're never going to get a fair opportunity in sport or might not even want to go try out for a team if they're to face this.
ian crossland
You think there's any value to having like a league where anyone can compete, men and women?
This is ridiculous.
unidentified
Like an open league.
taylor silverman
I don't think that's like a ridiculous idea.
I think that in some sports perhaps it could work.
But I don't think that it should be at the cost of the female division.
I think it's important for there to be a female division.
tim pool
So why aren't more people speaking out?
taylor silverman
Cause they're scared cause they saw what happened to me on the internet.
tim pool
But what, you got like a job and you're traveling and speaking at places?
taylor silverman
Yeah, hello people, like the people who hate comment on my page, I don't know them, they don't affect my life at all, I've been traveling the world, I got a new job, I'm skating literally as part of my job.
Thank you, Tim.
tim pool
We got a bunch of skate projects.
Well, so, so full disclosure for people listening, you know, we want to do a skate shop.
We want to do contests.
We want to do community events.
And I was just like, we need someone who's into that stuff to like help make that happen.
So, you know, Taylor's gonna be working on a lot of that stuff aside from just being in the vlog or whatever.
ian crossland
You actually beat Tim in a game of skate, is that?
taylor silverman
I've beat him in a bunch of game of skates, but the thing is, is he'll only allow a camera in if he's already up.
Every time you see it on video, I lose.
He'll like invite Nick down as soon as he's got me to tea.
tim pool
I never invited anybody to film when we were skating.
taylor silverman
But I really want people to understand that if you speak up about this, you will get support.
There's a lot of people who support you and there might be a bit of an attack on the internet at first and depending on where you live people in your community might treat you like garbage but do you want to like sit around pretending that you agree with them or would you rather stand up for what's right?
It's really hard for me to sit around and act like it was okay.
ian crossland
I never saw you respond out of anger to people.
I never saw you like demean other people.
I've only heard you talk about it in that how you feel about what happened.
taylor silverman
From the beginning I said I don't want people to go attack anyone.
I think that the people who are responsible are the contest organizers who allow it to happen because the reality is all the athletes competing are just going by the rules.
And I think that we just have to have an honest conversation about women deserving a fair space and what can we do to create a solution that everyone's happy with because what's happening now is not fair and there's a lot of people who are upset about it.
I wouldn't, my story wouldn't have blown up if there weren't people all over the world who are concerned about what's going to happen to women's sports if this continues.
jamie kilstein
Well, Taylor, when you said you can sit around and ignore it, I was like, Oh, That's what I did.
Like, I remember when these... I would not consider myself by any means transphobic or anti-trans in the slightest and I would actually... I would tell people on the left who don't want to speak up about these issues that you really should speak up about these issues because when an issue on the left gets pushed so far over the edge where we're talking about surgery to kids, where we're talking about women not being able to compete in sports, stuff like that, right?
By not talking about it, what you're essentially doing is you're taking the most extreme version and now that's what people think all trans people are, right?
All trans people are trying to, you know, cut off your kid's private parts and then take your girl's gold medal in track and field or whatever.
And it's pushing more and more people to the right, because I remember there would be stories about, I think when I was still doing a progressive show, is when Fallon Fox, the transgender MMA fighter, was just schooling women.
unidentified
Schooling?
jamie kilstein
Beating the hell out of women.
Breaking their skull.
And I didn't want to cover it because I knew that I would get in trouble.
But also, as like an MMA fighter, I was like, I don't think this is right.
And then I would feel bad because I'm like, but I'm just a I'm just a straight cis guy.
I can't comment on it.
And that's creepy.
And yeah, and we just want to talk about it.
taylor silverman
And I didn't want to talk about it.
jamie kilstein
Yeah.
I felt bad not saying something.
tim pool
That thought right there that you would be like, this seems wrong, but then divert to, but I'm a straight white man.
jamie kilstein
Well, yeah, man.
I mean, when you're, first of all, and we can get, we can get vulnerable and not funny at all, where one, like I have crippling depression and anxiety.
And if I'm surrounded by, and I'm sure a lot of people listening have felt this, if you're surrounded by people who will belittle you because of those things, Of course you're going to think that.
It's already a cult mentality on top of me hating myself and having imposter syndrome with whatever I do.
On top of the fact that, yeah, I am kind of like the enemy in that terrain.
If someone just goes, you're speaking from privilege and my default is to be down on myself anyway, of course I'm going to be like, okay, I guess I just like shouldn't talk about it.
tim pool
The interesting thing here between the two of you is that Taylor looked into the fire and just decided one day to just jump through it.
They grabbed you and threw you through it.
jamie kilstein
They sure did.
And then I was like, there's a bee!
ian crossland
Wait, it's not so much of a fire as I thought it would be.
They thought they were putting you on the pyre.
You're like, wait, I can see through it.
taylor silverman
I don't feel like it was so much a choice for me either because at a certain point I felt like I had to do something.
And I was really frustrated.
jamie kilstein
But you still walked on your own.
I was escorted.
taylor silverman
What was the point when you realized I well, I don't know I think I felt It's hard to say because I had a lot of friends who are very supportive of me including like mentors who have been around throughout the years of me skateboarding and I just felt like I needed to do the right thing and I knew that people would come after me.
I knew that people would come after me for being Jewish, being in Israel.
But also being in Israel, I felt really safe.
I knew that there wasn't going to be an angry mob with pitchforks outside of my house.
No one was going to attack me at the skate park.
Although I did have the experience where the guy I was renting from, the day after I went on Piers Morgan, he like asked me to leave.
And I talked to him and I think it was a misunderstanding, plus there was a language barrier.
But that was kind of scary.
I thought for a second, I messed my life up.
I'm never going to be able to stay anywhere.
ian crossland
But you communicated with him and resolved?
taylor silverman
Everything was fine.
Yeah, everything was totally fine and we were cool after.
tim pool
I had someone threaten me at a skate park.
taylor silverman
Yeah, I haven't had that happen at all in real life.
I get threats online all day, but I'm sure it could happen.
ian crossland
That's very poignant that you mentioned that communication with the person that had misunderstood something they saw you in.
taylor silverman
Yeah.
But I actually, I don't even know if he saw me or if he was just like, why is this woman bringing a camera crew into the place I'm renting to her?
I'm not part of this, but everything was fine.
And I've been, I've gotten only support in real life.
Like it's been the opposite of getting threatened at the skate park.
I like go to a skate park in Indiana and everyone was high-fiving me excited I was there.
jamie kilstein
Well, and what's really cool about shows like this, I think, is that, you know, for a little while, your only option, if you were thrown into the fire by the left, was to go full right wing.
And that's what I refused to do, even when I was broke and in, like, a ratty apartment infested with fleas.
Like, I did not want to do that.
What's really cool about spaces like this is it...
You just feel safe.
You just feel safe to figure out how you feel, and to evolve, and to ask questions.
And it doesn't mean suddenly, okay, now I'm alt-right.
Oh, that didn't work?
Okay, now I'm a Bernie bro.
Oh, that didn't work?
Okay, I'll be a centrist M. You don't have to do that.
All of us listening should be allowed to evolve opinions without being called a grifter, should be allowed to agree with a conservative thing here, a liberal thing here, a progressive thing here.
Um, without having to, like you were talking about before Ian, subscribe to a team, because
for the most part, if you find a team you line up with entirely on every single issue,
you're probably lying is what I've found.
tim pool
Let's uh, let's jump to the story from pink news because I think we're going to see a
lot of people decide they don't want to be associated with this group anymore.
In what I would only describe as a hilarious cell phone.
Pink news says anti LGBTQ groomer slur banned on Reddit in bid to tackle hate speech.
Your move, Twitter.
Okay, let me just clarify.
Reddit did not ban the term groomer, but the fact that that's what they think is happening and that the word groomer itself is just describing the LGBTQ community is a ridiculous and hilarious self-own.
They're calling themselves groomers when that's not what's being implied.
And the evidence for this is that there's also a smear against a group called Gays Against Groomers.
And it is LGBTQ people who are like, we don't like what these groomers are doing in our name.
jamie kilstein
That sounds good.
tim pool
It's great!
jamie kilstein
It sounds very good.
tim pool
Because groomer as a word refers to people who are grooming kids.
jamie kilstein
That's bad.
tim pool
Pink News is trying to conflate The entirety of the LGBTQ community with the groomers, and it's likely because, in my opinion, there's been an attempt among pedos to infiltrate and get the community to defend them, and it's starting to work.
They tried LGBTP, that didn't work.
They tried MAP, didn't work.
Groomer, all of a sudden, now these activists are coming out and defending groomers, saying, hey, stop making fun of us.
And it's like us.
What?
jamie kilstein
Uh-oh.
ian crossland
Yeah, the love is love thing is not real.
There's erotic love, and then there's storg, which is love of family.
There's lots of different kinds of love.
tim pool
And there's pedophilia, which is not about loving, but abusing children.
ian crossland
That's totally a different type of love, according to the Greeks, than like your love of family.
jamie kilstein
Okay, so I'm trying to logically figure out why the left would do this.
The only thing I can think of, is it because there are bad faith people Who are homophobic, who are just starting to use the word groomer as sort of a new way just to call all gay people groomers.
And again, I still disagree.
I'm just trying to figure out why would you do this?
Why would you want to associate yourself with the term groomer?
tim pool
Generally, no.
Uh, there are probably some people who have.
jamie kilstein
Yes.
tim pool
But in terms of what groomer actually refers to, it's like libs of TikTok pointing out teachers are going after kids.
jamie kilstein
Right.
tim pool
They're referring to people secretly meeting with children and telling these things.
There may be some people who are saying that's a groomer and it's just a general blanket idea, but the idea behind groomer is specific to the individual targeting a child.
This is exactly- So let me just say, The rule that Reddit implemented was on one subreddit, and it said don't refer to all gay people as groomers.
That was the actual rule.
Pink News then comes out and says they've completely banned the word because it's a slur against gay people and it's like... Well, not all groomers are evil.
ian crossland
Like, for instance, this is a very neutral take, the groom.
When people get married, there's the man is now the groom.
He's being groomed by the woman to be a father.
tim pool
We're not talking about semantics.
ian crossland
Parents groom their children to become young adults, to become good people.
Good parents do.
Now, when people are grooming them to do evil, that's the kind of grooming that you gotta watch out for.
jamie kilstein
Ian is hashtag not all groomers.
ian crossland
Not all groomers.
tim pool
Except, groomer specifically is a verb that refers to a specific concept.
ian crossland
In this lexicon, I understand, yeah.
tim pool
Right, so we don't need to describe the differences between words.
Like if I said, you know, would you go for a run?
I'm not talking about putting a floppy disk in a computer.
I'm talking about going and exercising, and no one needs to understand that argument.
unidentified
Touche.
jamie kilstein
I did try to run with Ian earlier.
ian crossland
But keep in mind, as the conversation evolves, keep that little tidbit in the back of your mind.
jamie kilstein
Well, and this is exactly what was killing me about the, you know, the kids' surgery when it comes to trans rights, where this is the same thing.
It's like, guys, is this the hill we want to die on?
Because now, People on the right are just seeing LGBT groups defending the word groomer, and they're going to go, all right, I don't want to be associated with that.
tim pool
I want you to imagine this.
There's a skeevy, creepy looking dude standing outside of a playground, looking at children and licking his lips.
And you go, hey, you get out of here, you pedo.
And then a bunch of gay people walk over and stand next to him and go, stop making fun of us.
And you go, wait, what?
jamie kilstein
What?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Well, that's what Pink News just did.
And it's like, uh, my concern was with that guy targeting the kids, not y'all.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't like the amalgamation of groups.
Like, pedophilia is nothing to do with bisexuality, gay, transgender.
Transgenderism has nothing to do with gay.
At all.
You can be a straight person that transitions your gender.
You don't have to be... So this weird grouping together, maybe it's out of like a survival instinct or something, I think it's doing more damage to the movement.
jamie kilstein
100% dude!
And how many gay people were probably livid when they saw this?
tim pool
That's why there's a group called Gays Against Groomers.
jamie kilstein
Yeah, and also they probably don't want to speak out because it's like, oh, now am I going to get in trouble for speaking out against groomers?
taylor silverman
Well, they don't even want to get involved.
tim pool
It's not worth it.
They're starting an organization.
Look, Gays Against Groomers.
And the funny thing is, they talk about how there's like the LGB movement.
Have you guys heard of this?
taylor silverman
Right, yeah.
tim pool
Because, so there are people, particularly in, I think, the UK, and they say, what does a woman liking a woman, a man liking a man, or a man or a woman liking both, have to do with being gender dysphoric?
ian crossland
Love it.
tim pool
So that's why there's been this LGB movement that said, that's totally different from what we do.
Get this, a transgender person, who is a trans lesbian.
That means they're biologically male, transition to be a woman, and then marry a woman.
They do not need any special laws made for them.
taylor silverman
Right.
tim pool
They could always, in 1990, those people could have gotten married.
Gay people, lesbians, and bisexual people, had to actually get a legal right.
That's why I understand fighting for, you know, gay marriage.
TQIAS2P+, or whatever, Don't.
Now, in the instance a trans person was biologically male and wanted to marry a man, because they were trans straight they call it, then you needed a special law, but that's only half.
Right?
Or I shouldn't say half, but that's not the entirety of the trans community.
In which case, LGB, all, 100% of those people needed provisions to change in government so they could get married.
The trans community, not completely.
Queer community, not completely.
Intersex, nothing at all.
I mean, the issue there is there's a difference and the cult is trying to amalgamate
as many groups as possible. Like, you ever see the image of the Muslim woman with the rainbow
hijab or whatever, what's like a rainbow flag behind her? And I'm like, that's
strange. Or there's a, there was a, I don't know if it was the L word or some show.
They had a lesbian Muslim woman and it created huge outrage in the Muslim community around the world because they were like, this is not acceptable.
They're trying to take as many different groups and put them under one umbrella, even when they don't like each other.
So I think it was in Birmingham in the UK, Muslims came out to protest the schools doing an LGBT curriculum.
And they were calling the teachers like groomers and pedos and stuff and saying, we don't want our kids learning this.
Our kids are seven years old.
They're too young for this.
And then this guy goes, I'm doing this for you.
I'm doing this for you.
And they were like, we don't like you.
It's very strange when they try and just lump everything together.
Should we put an M in there, LGBT MQ?
They put black people in the flag.
lydia smith
Yeah, black and brown people.
jamie kilstein
I remember when I was, I remember when I was super woke and there'd be a story like that where it was like Muslims are fighting with gay people and I was like, I don't know whose side to take without getting in trouble.
This is terrible.
Yeah, what do I do?
tim pool
You make fun of yourself.
That's probably what comedians do.
ian crossland
I'm looking forward to seeing the MCA flag, the Muslim Christian Atheist flag.
tim pool
No, it's the American Abrahamic Alliance.
ian crossland
All inclusive.
Come on, at some point you got to represent yourself.
Forget about what color it is because you're just a human and be your best and speak your mind.
jamie kilstein
Here we go.
tim pool
There are many gay people who don't like groomers.
taylor silverman
That's right.
jamie kilstein
There should be!
They shouldn't be controversial, you maniacs!
tim pool
Well, so this is why I say, when someone comes out and says that groomer is a slur against all LGBTQ people, that's the pedo walking up to the, like, okay, let's do another analogy.
There's a creepy pedo guy looking at kids, looking at his lips, and you say, hey, you pedo, you get away from those kids!
And he walks over to a group of gay people and goes, that guy's making fun of us!
jamie kilstein
Right, right.
tim pool
And then they go, hey, don't make fun of us!
taylor silverman
I think an even more realistic analogy is like when a teacher starts talking to kids about things that aren't appropriate to discuss with kids.
tim pool
And telling them to keep it a secret from their parents.
taylor silverman
And then online, the woke folk defend it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's messed up.
Because they're using the badge of teacher to hide behind.
Because if they did it at a public park, they'd get arrested.
jamie kilstein
Especially if they were licking their lips like all Tim's pedos were in his analogies.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm using an extreme example of talking to a kid about his sex.
tim pool
Just if you go to one of these schools, and take the book Genderqueer off the bookshelf, and then walk up to a child, open it, and read it, you're going to prison.
Yeah, I- Isn't that weird?
jamie kilstein
Guys, when we were growing up, Maybe not you, Taylor.
unidentified
But we just feared our teachers.
jamie kilstein
We didn't know anything.
For all I knew, my English teacher lived in a shack.
Like, they just had these haunting backstories where you would kind of hear rumors about, like, maybe where they lived.
If you ever saw them out in public, you would just, like, run in the other direction.
At no point would my, like, grizzled shop teacher be like, so I was laying next to a man.
Like, he would have been arrested.
He would have been arrested.
tim pool
I don't know about you, but we didn't have a whole lot of respect for our teachers.
jamie kilstein
I feared them, dude.
taylor silverman
I mean, I wasn't scared of my teachers, but I didn't know much about their personal lives.
tim pool
Right, that's true, too.
The only thing I knew about one teacher was that she got married because her name changed.
taylor silverman
Yeah, or like a teacher gets pregnant.
Obviously, you're gonna know that.
tim pool
And we were like, hey, look, teacher's pregnant.
And then she like stopped.
jamie kilstein
But she wasn't like, you want to know what position we did to conceive?
No, no.
tim pool
I'm 10 years old.
jamie kilstein
I'm so little.
tim pool
The 10 year olds would go, what's a position?
Just let me tell you.
jamie kilstein
Right.
taylor silverman
No.
jamie kilstein
Yeah, let me draw it.
tim pool
And then don't tell your parents.
unidentified
Creepy.
tim pool
Yeah.
jamie kilstein
Do you think so?
Honestly, your opinion.
Do you think that it is them being legit groomer, pedophile, blah, blah, blah?
Or do you think some of them are just trying to show how progressive they are and make like a thing about it?
tim pool
No, some are groomers and some are trying to indoctrinate kids because they know they don't have any of their own.
taylor silverman
But also, regardless of the intention, it has the same effect.
jamie kilstein
Oh yeah.
No, no, no.
Neither answer was correct.
They're both very bad, to be clear.
I'm just curious about what you guys thought.
tim pool
The left doesn't have kids, they have yours.
So, because they're not having kids, they're sterilizing their kids and they're aborting their kids, This country is 20, 30 years away from being Christian conservative.
Hardcore.
And it's really crazy because this country went from, like, you know, obviously, you go way back in time, it's much more traditionalist, for obvious reasons, it's back in time.
But there was rampant racism, literal slavery, and a lot, and dowries, and things like that.
And then over time these things change and there's progress and liberalism.
jamie kilstein
Obama's American.
tim pool
Then there used to be, even with the First Amendment, you couldn't swear.
Even with the First Amendment you couldn't say naughty words.
You couldn't wear certain clothes.
And then we became very liberal, but then we became so liberal that liberals started
killing their own children.
Oof.
Went too far in one direction.
And that's going to result in a flow back in the other direction.
I don't think it's going to get more conservatives.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't think it's going to be Christian though.
Cause like what you were saying earlier, Jamie, about like, you got excised from the left, but you didn't want to go full right.
Like you just wouldn't let yourself like, people aren't just going to say, okay, now I believe that cult.
Like some people, some people might, but people in reality don't want to be in a cult.
jamie kilstein
Well, and what's, what's so.
tim pool
Insidious about people on the left is they they will and have said that I already have that I'm already a right-wing grifter and whatever and you guys have actually had conversations with me and it's like no man I just ask questions and I'm friends with people who don't share my exact worldview and I'm pretty happy I'll see like some people they're like getting disenfranchised with reality and you know when things can start to go haywire like if you just see the stand you know people become religious but they're like you know what yeah now I believe in Jesus and I'm like wait up hold on this is like a lifelong exploration you don't like get traumatized and then all of a sudden now you have a new religion you know this is actually interesting I pulled up the stats and if you simplify the stats on is the United States becoming more Christian they say no
Because the country is 75% Christian now, but by 2050 it'll be 63%.
And you look at it, it's actually a 20 million individual increase.
So there will be a massive increase in the number of Christians in this country.
However, there is going to be, they say, a larger increase in non-Christians.
There's going to be about 90 or so million.
New population, of which only 20 million are Christians, reducing the overall percentage.
Where are those non-Christians coming from if non-Christians abort their kids?
Well, we're seeing about a million people per year coming from illegal immigration, or more.
So I wonder if that's the issue.
However, many people coming from Latin American countries are also Christians, so I don't understand their numbers.
ian crossland
My belief, and I don't know if it answers your question, is that religion's getting fun.
Now that we can see cosmic microwave background radiation, we're like, whoa, is God actually quantifiable?
Like, this is an opportunity for a generation to have a non-organized, just a kind of a belief structure about the essence of reality.
jamie kilstein
It is much more fun to where the majority of people who have found God at a later age that I've met, it's not, oh, I went to jail or, oh, I was raised going to church.
It's like, well, I did DMT.
And you're like, yeah, there it is, man.
taylor silverman
I think there's a lot of secular people, too, who have similar values as Christians, in some ways, without believing all the religious stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah, our country's based on the tenets of Christianity, so it's through most people in the society.
tim pool
We talk about this quite a bit, that the atheists of the 90s, 2000s, 2010s don't realize they completely operate on a Christian moral framework, but it's because they don't know anything about Christianity.
They think that their morality is inherent to them.
because another issue they've probably never traveled to other countries that don't have
jamie kilstein
those moral frameworks. Yeah I mean I kind of to what Taylor was saying you know I know for me
I think there are a lot of people in my generation especially that
you know you'd say I'm spiritual but not religious. Right.
Right.
And so they saw what happened with the Catholic Church or they were raised religious and they rebelled against their parents, but they never really let go of spirituality or they never became a full-fledged atheist.
And one of the things that I always sort of secretly admired about conservatives is when you looked at their words about what they stood for, it was like family values, God, hard work.
And I was like, Why are we against those things?
taylor silverman
That sounds good, right?
jamie kilstein
That sounds great.
Like, why was the left, like, what were our words?
It was like, weed, gentrification.
Like, it was just a bummer, right?
And now I think that because the left has gone so far, uh, cuckoo bananas, I think that a lot of people, a lot of secular people who, you know, ran out of Richard Dawkins books to read, I think a lot of people are kind of craving that morality or those family values that are Predominantly seen on the right or within some kind of religious framework.
taylor silverman
I think that's normal too as you get older.
jamie kilstein
Is it because we're closer to death and it's like, hey, just in case I'm wrong.
I'm going to start praying.
tim pool
I think it, um, you know, Dennis Prager brought up a really great point.
He says, what does he call it?
Cut flower.
taylor silverman
Yeah.
lydia smith
Cut flower culture.
tim pool
Culture.
Is that what he called it?
lydia smith
That's what he called it.
tim pool
Yeah.
So you have a flower.
It's beautiful.
You cut it from its roots and it stays beautiful, but eventually withers and dies.
And that's what I think is happening.
You had a period where, well I mean for a long time this country was like 100% Christian basically.
jamie kilstein
Right.
tim pool
And that had a lot of bad things about it.
You know, culturally there was a lot of, it was rigid, very rigid, like George Carlin getting arrested for swearing and stuff like that.
Right.
Then eventually you get some atheism, but it's still based on moral values from Christians.
So they start saying things like, I don't think God's real, but I still agree the innocent should not be prosecuted for crimes they may not have committed unless it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
And then you're like, where does that come from?
And they don't know because they didn't study the Bible and they didn't learn about the history of Blackstone's formulation and where it came from and all the stuff.
And then you realize like, hey, wait a minute, China doesn't have that.
Like in China, they just lock you up and they torture you if you oppose the government.
Now that's communism.
You know, that's not the traditional Chinese values.
But the point is those people are not raised with the same moral values we have.
Interesting.
Now we're starting to see what happens when the atheist children of parents who don't know where their values come from raise children and they don't know how to bring those values to those kids and those kids are the current millennial generation.
jamie kilstein
Well, my parents did it right, man, where I wasn't raised religious, my dad is a Jew, and my mom is Christian-ish, and we didn't go to church, and we didn't go to synagogue, but we celebrated Passover and Hanukkah and Christmas and You know, they would always tell us about our relatives and our ancestors and all this stuff.
But they believed in God and believed in the framework of just being a good person.
And so they didn't raise us anti-religious.
You know what I mean?
Like, we didn't go to church.
We didn't get burnt out on that.
But it was still, hey, be a good person.
We're not alone.
We don't know, but we're not alone.
And I think that's why I never could go that full-throttle hateful atheist who just spends all day on Reddit calling religious people dumb.
I think that's why I still always sought out something.
Because you don't know.
You can't be... If you say you're an atheist, you're just as...
Fundamentalist.
Like, even when I thought I was an atheist, I called myself agnostic because I don't know.
If I called myself an atheist and God came crashing down to the ceiling and was like, I'm real, I wouldn't be like, no, I've read Sam Harris.
I'd be like, all right, man, I guess I was wrong, which makes me agnostic.
tim pool
What's funny is, um, looking at these polls about the future of Christianity, I wonder how they make the determination because you can't predict culture.
If you could make your investments now, you'll be rich.
I think they underestimate the cultural shift that DMT particularly will bring up, bring upon atheists.
ian crossland
It's possible Christianity is going to reform into like, cause the idea of Christ is like the anointed one.
And Jesus just happened to be the Christ of that time.
He was anointed by God, but we can all be anointed by God.
I believe that anyway, that it's flowing through us all.
jamie kilstein
Yeah, I mean, I made that DMT thing as kind of a joke, but am I allowed to talk about me doing drugs on YouTube?
ian crossland
Hell yeah.
tim pool
Well, we talk about DMT all the time.
We just don't advocate for people.
ian crossland
You're not supposed to do drugs on YouTube.
jamie kilstein
I had a terrible experience where I found God.
No, during COVID, or right before lockdown, my cat died and my girlfriend left in the same week, and it was awful.
And I was infinitely more upset about the cat than the girl because he was the best.
Oh, and she would see me crying and be like, don't worry, we'll still be friends.
And I was like, oh, I'm crying about the cat, but I'll be like, yeah, we'll still be friends.
And so over Valentine's Day, it was my first Valentine's Day I'd ever spent alone.
I was like, I'm going to take mushrooms for the first time since high school.
And everyone was like, that is the worst idea I've ever heard.
And they're like, you're going to be alone on Valentine's Day.
And guess what?
I wasn't alone.
I was with everyone and God.
And I, for the longest time, I considered myself agnostic.
I considered, but people have these experiences, people on their deathbed again, when they are given by medical professionals, there are doctors who do this, um, people on their deathbed who are so scared of death.
They are with a doctor, with a professional, given psilocybin, and they no longer fear death.
They do see something.
It does open something up in you.
tim pool
What if, like, right before people died, we just blasted them with DMT?
That would be the best.
They say when you die, your brain releases DMT, right?
Like, a ton of it?
What if they were just like, tenfold, baby.
Intravenous drip.
lydia smith
I'm putting that in my will.
Let's go.
jamie kilstein
We're all putting that in our wills.
Yo, I think you should- I want that in my employment contract, too.
tim pool
I think when you're like, certifiably, like about to die, you should be able to just like- Yeah, right to choose, I think.
ian crossland
Is that what they call?
tim pool
Well, look, right to try.
unidentified
Right to try.
tim pool
Is like, if you're dying, you can try a drug.
I'm saying no, like if the doctor's like, you got an hour left.
You should be able to be like, I can have any drug I want.
jamie kilstein
It's like a prisoner's last meal before execution.
They just give you a list, which is like acid, psilocybin, DMT, mescaline.
It's like, yeah, man.
ian crossland
And you decide like weeks before, like, hey, if the moment comes, and then I turn the light green by like, uh, whatever I'm able to do.
jamie kilstein
You could do it like an ice cream shop.
You could be like, can I do half DMT, half psilocybin?
They'd be like, yeah, buddy.
It's your special day.
tim pool
And they monitor your heart rate, monitor your brain waves or whatever, and they're like, well, someone's like, give me the full blast of all of, you know, of acid, DMT, and psilocybin.
jamie kilstein
Give me the Joe Rogan treatment, is what that's called.
tim pool
I saw Alex, Rogan Punch.
ian crossland
Alexandria Cortez tweeted out last week that she had somehow included in the NDAA something about legalizing psilocybin and MDMA for people to, like patients and stuff.
And I got mixed feelings.
Wait, did you really do that?
Yeah, it's on Twitter, at least last week, I think.
jamie kilstein
That is going to become more and more popular.
I mean, look, man, these politicians, the second they see money is behind it.
You know, Tim Ferriss, a lot of guys like that in sort of like the tech self-help podcast world, have done a great job about talking about psilocybin for PTSD, for depression, for all this stuff.
And there's a new, Michael Pollan has been great.
There's a new documentary on Netflix that comes out this month all about the medicinal uses of psilocybin by Michael Pollan, who his book is called, I think it was the number one bestseller, How to Change Your Mind, was his book all about psychedelics.
And there is going to be a real movement for once politicians see that there is money behind it.
We saw it with weed legalization.
Suddenly they're all going to be little Jerry Garcia's and they're all going to be like, yeah, man, like I'm totally for it.
ian crossland
I think that a fear of psychedelics is that it can make people so radical that they'll flip the system on its head.
But the system is breaking so hard right now that we need to shake it.
And people will see there is money involved.
We can fix and save our economy with creativity.
tim pool
I got an idea for like a short film.
jamie kilstein
Yeah.
tim pool
Where it's like a dude who does DMT and they say you blast off, right?
You like perceive another dimension or something.
jamie kilstein
Yeah.
tim pool
But you're still tethered to your body so you like come out of your body and you're to the dimension but then you snap back once it wears off, right?
But then eventually, when he's blasting off, he's like, something happens, an earthquake or whatever, and like, his house falls down and he dies, separating himself from his body, and now he's trapped in like the machine elf world, because there's no way to go back.
Because normally when you die, like, your body is there and it doesn't go there, but now you're here, and then you're trapped.
ian crossland
Yeah, so the way the spirit detaches from the body because of the DMT infusion, it's spinning maybe differently than the than a spirit that is detached without the DMT.
You know, like what is a spirit?
We think of it as like a magnetic, I think that sometimes magnetic field, but there's more to it.
It's like gets smaller than that.
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unidentified
I volunteer as tribute. I'll do it. Let's make some films.
tim pool
Make some short films. We'll get to it.
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jamie kilstein
Oh, man.
tim pool
I hate saying behind the paywall.
We're going to be doing basically what every other service does.
$10 a month, you get to watch all the shows we make.
We're going to make a bunch of shows.
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We're going to have that episode.
Of this show, Uncensored Conversation, going up at about 11pm tonight.
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We've got a couple comedy specials we're preparing.
jamie kilstein
Get excited!
tim pool
We've got documentaries we're preparing.
A lot of work's gonna happen.
And maybe within the next few months we'll slowly start rolling out more and more and upping the quality.
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I think he's like their spokesperson or involved.
I'm not entirely sure his position, but this is an alternative, censorship-resistant platform.
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PayPal is no longer on the site.
If you are a member and you use PayPal, nothing will change.
There is no simple way.
I'm not entirely sure what happens.
I think for some people, if you are using PayPal, it might start slowly just flipping you to parallel economy automatically, like the next month or something.
I'm not entirely sure.
I don't know if cancelling and resigning up is the right thing to do, because it might just end up charging you again.
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lydia smith
Yeah, this is actually a question I just got.
It said, I'm not sure who I use to subscribe, but I assume I'll get an email if I need to do something to keep my subscription going.
Not sure.
tim pool
Hey, let me tell you, our website's fairly janky.
lydia smith
Yeah, pretty janky.
jamie kilstein
Worst comes to worst, one time you gave us $20 to make the content you love.
tim pool
Yeah.
Look, I'll put it this way, too.
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You want this awesome?
I don't like the idea that having PayPal on the website meant that you guys were funding PayPal.
Nobody likes that.
And so we've been working very, very hard to get this up and running.
We finally did.
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That's pretty great.
All right, Smoothie Card says, Tim, my wife and I started a business called Smoothie Cards to teach people about nutrition, and we're selling them on Amazon now.
It's been lots of fun seeing you guys get on the health train.
Keep up the good work.
lydia smith
I'll look that up.
tim pool
Absolutely.
jamie kilstein
Nutrition is so important, especially for mental health, nutrition and working out.
And somehow the left became the party of like during COVID, like we're against going outdoors and working out.
And it drove so many of my jujitsu friends away from it.
It is huge.
I was depressed this weekend.
I made myself eat healthy and work out and I was better.
tim pool
That's right.
lydia smith
Very much helps.
tim pool
Alright.
3QH says, Hey Tim, I agree we have to make culture to win the culture war.
My MAGA band drops redpilled music here, and I started a show at Redpill Fight Club.
Very, very cool.
Meerik Shlong says, Tim, can you bring MTG back on and ask her why she voted against expanding VA benefits for GWOT vets who were affected by burn pits, please?
I support her, but the issue affects me directly, and I want to know the details behind it.
Why?
No, I gotta be honest.
She's gonna have a reason, I guarantee you.
When you look at, like, we can talk about her tweets and her Facebook posts and roll our eyes.
But what'll end up, like Thomas Massey had this.
Right.
He voted no on something, he's like the only one and everyone's like, whoa, wait a minute.
And then he immediately comes out on Twitter and is like, this is exactly what happened.
And you go, oh.
jamie kilstein
You go like, here was the other thing that they inserted in the bill that has nothing to do with the bill.
lydia smith
Slipped it in there.
tim pool
Yep.
Ricardo Santos says, Tim, have Legal Man from the Quash podcast.
He's a lawyer destroying the illusion of constitutional republic and promoting decentralized systems.
I like the idea.
I like the idea.
Red Goat says, drink a shot for every mention of Civil War, Trump, and cult.
I said Civil War once just now when I read that and twice just now when I said it again, referencing that I said it.
lydia smith
A few times.
tim pool
So twice.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And we said cult several times.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jamie kilstein
Today was a big cult show, but that was because of my past.
So I take the blame.
taylor silverman
Jamie will take all the shots.
lydia smith
There we go.
jamie kilstein
I'm very drunk.
lydia smith
No.
jamie kilstein
I have not drank at all.
tim pool
All right.
Steve Self, how can existing TimKiss members switch from PayPal to Parallel Economy?
Do we have to cancel and sign up again?
So for those that didn't hear it, I did just mention it.
No, I don't think so.
Let me circle back with the team.
I'll circle back and we'll figure out.
I think next month it might automatically just transport you over.
I'm not sure.
If not, and you just want to support us and make sure, you can cancel and re-sign up or something.
That might not be a good idea.
I don't know, it might be burdensome on our end, but I'm not entirely sure.
It may be cool.
It would probably end up giving us a little bit extra money because, you know.
So let me circle back to make sure, because I don't want people to have to spend extra money for something they've already paid for.
Tim Jake says, I worked the DOD space mission for 27 years.
The level of ignorance your Friday guest displayed concerning how things operate in space was absolutely mind numbing.
ian crossland
That's Alex.
He was trolling you guys.
He said at the beginning, in the middle of the episode, he loves Andy Kaufman.
He said, I don't trust the government.
And then he immediately started saying, but Barack Obama said it was real.
So just rewatch it and thinking maybe he's trolling.
tim pool
Yeah, he might be trolling you.
ian crossland
He's a brilliant genius.
He's a maniac.
taylor silverman
Andy Kaufman's a genius.
tim pool
He might've been trolling you.
Yeah.
It was still fun anyway to have like a moon landing debate.
ian crossland
Oh, so good.
lydia smith
We never get to debate that.
tim pool
I would love to actually debate Joe on that.
Cause I don't know if he's still like, wasn't he like a big moon landing denier?
jamie kilstein
I believe there was a phase.
I think he went back on it, but I'm not sure.
ian crossland
And it's Alex Stein.
In case you're wondering who we're talking about.
Look at the Alex Stein episode from Friday.
tim pool
I just want to like say like when people are like, you can't go through the Van Allen radiation belt.
It's like, you can just, you know, if they don't care about you, you can jump through the fire.
Yeah, like, yo, the government doesn't care about you.
Oh yeah, they test on... Right, if they wanted to go to the moon, they'd be like, sure, it's safe, no problem.
jamie kilstein
Let's put some poor people in that shuttle first.
ian crossland
I'm sure the astronauts sign, like, whatever happens, happens.
tim pool
They said they were seeing stars and sparkles in their eyes.
That's when radiation is bombarding your optic nerve.
unidentified
So it's like... Oh boy, that's bad news.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I read about that and I was reading some conspiracy about it and then I read that statement where they were like, it was amazing seeing like the flashes and I was like, I think you guys are getting blasted, man.
ian crossland
You guys ever see stars?
I got hit in the head one time.
Oh no, they have stars, that was a good one.
tim pool
Stars?
ian crossland
No, no, I mean like get hit in the head or just see like a bunch of stars.
lydia smith
Yeah, like on a cartoon.
ian crossland
Once.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
It was like a cartoon.
tim pool
I don't think we have a plan for like Blu-ray DVD.
Ford LeMay says, hey Tim, these documentaries you keep talking about, will you have them
on Blu-ray or DVD on your website when you're done?
Also, I would do Mushrooms with the Graphene Guru anytime, I know he'll keep the spiders
away.
I don't think we have a plan for like Blu-ray, DVD, I mean maybe we'll put them up on Amazon
or something.
But, uh, they're very preliminary right now.
We've got some work being done on a Federal Reserve documentary talking about, like, how it started, what it currently does, and what proposed solutions to the problems are.
I'm excited for that.
It'll probably be on the website.
Very excited for it.
ian crossland
Also, if psilocybin is involved, I would advise fasting.
I'm not a shaman, but just, uh...
jamie kilstein
I would advise set and setting, which is, you know, don't go do it and go to like Hooters.
I would be introspective about it.
I would do it with someone who knows what they were doing.
I would put on good music.
I would be out in nature somewhere safe.
I would not be in a car or anything like that.
tim pool
Triton54 says, Taylor, CastCastle has been on point the past two episodes.
Glad to see you found a home at TimCast.
Great to see your creativity on screen.
The vlog is really top-notch.
Long live Chicken Ian.
taylor silverman
Thanks for your support.
I have a lot of fun filming for the vlog.
I'm excited that we're going to have a little bit more freedom to say whatever we want to now that it's going to be on TimCast.com.
tim pool
Oh, I guess that the announcement's already been made.
unidentified
I thought you already were... No, he didn't mention that.
ian crossland
Let's run with this.
So what's happening?
taylor silverman
Wait, did I just spill the beans?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Oh my gosh.
lydia smith
I love it.
jamie kilstein
I was mad at you for getting all the credit for the vlog and that person didn't even mention me.
taylor silverman
Okay, to be fair, someone told me earlier that you mentioned it in a segment earlier today.
I didn't realize.
ian crossland
The telephone?
So what's happening?
taylor silverman
Sorry.
tim pool
We are going to be, well, you know, I'll keep it simple because we have an episode, like we have a full explanation tomorrow at youtube.com slash castcastle.
But we're basically increasing production, increasing quality, but reducing frequency.
And simple version is we're gonna try and like scale this up for a weekly sitcom slash vlog, kind of like it is.
But the concern we've had is that it's a little rough around the edges.
People have really liked the way the direction's been going, but it's kind of like, we know it's a bit amateurish.
So we were like, well, maybe we should stop trying to treat it like a mix between what YouTube was with Jake Paul and what 30 Rock was and just go for it as a weekly.
jamie kilstein
but try and we'll have like real elements that are fun like when we Taylor and I played skate it was just us hanging out it was kind of fun and funny people really know that was fake when he beat me in skate yeah sure every game but yeah I think making it a show I feel incredibly embarrassed for telling the news I didn't realize the tip of the spear No, we're gonna run we're gonna run with it and we're gonna use it to promote which is the the comments we've gotten have been so cool because what we were trying was something super weird and different and The the the hardcore fans who write me on Twitter about it every day who referenced the you know literally I've had people in the street come up to me and be like guns like because of me and Tim's one bit about it and
That's exactly the kind of community we want to build.
And by putting it, by making it on our own terms and not YouTube's, we just get to make it edgier and we get to talk about whatever we want.
tim pool
We wrote some really funny jokes we can't do on YouTube.
And they're not offensive jokes.
They're like vaccine stuff.
And like that kind of conversations are like Trump and it's like, okay, YouTube won't allow that.
Or if they, if we do it, they'll flag us, they'll knock us down.
jamie kilstein
I've already written a vaccine and Hunter Biden joke into the pilot.
unidentified
And I'm so excited!
tim pool
Obviously we still want to avoid swearing.
The jokes we had that YouTube won't allow, they're not raunchy and they're not hate speech or anything like that.
Like, they don't offend anybody but YouTube's delicate sensibilities and the World Health Organization and the Democrats, and it's just stupid.
But the channel will still exist, but it will... I'll tell you another thing that happened.
We did a Chicken Ian cartoon, and it gets like 60,000 views, and I'm like, it's because a singular bit is easy to share and it's fun to watch.
And so we need to have those who want to watch a full show, who want to, you know, pay to watch a full show, support it because otherwise it's too expensive.
And then we want to do bits that do better on the YouTube channel to be shared.
jamie kilstein
Yes.
tim pool
So I don't want to get too much more into it.
jamie kilstein
It's all exciting.
tim pool
The full explainer where we're all talking about it is up tomorrow at youtube.com slash castcastle.
taylor silverman
Right, and oops, but back to that comment, I do feel very welcome here and I'm grateful to be here and I feel like I got lucky having been cancelled and it all worked out for me.
jamie kilstein
Yeah, there you go.
taylor silverman
I couldn't have ended up any place better, honestly.
ian crossland
It's really, communication is key.
It's the beginning of great, great things.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Uh, JerkoffJuggernaut says, I tried to make a point between Lauren Southern and Milo and YouTube didn't want it.
And I said, nothing bad, just watch her latest video.
ian crossland
Oh, I saw part of that.
Did you guys?
tim pool
No, what's her video?
ian crossland
She did like a three hour expose on her experience being on the right and about, it's not all unicorns and rainbows.
Like people are dirty in every area you go.
And let me tell you my experience.
jamie kilstein
Dude, every time I go to a new place so far, this has been fine over here.
But I remember, you know, like I dropped out of high school and I was like, everyone's so mean.
And then my first retail job was with a bunch of like housewives.
And I'm like, oh, they're doing the same stuff.
And then I was like, okay, comedy.
They're a bunch of artists.
And I'm like, no, they're gossipy monsters too.
And then I'm like, I'll go back to music.
And it's like, the bottom line is you just have to be as good of a person as possible and be true to yourself and find your tribe and find your people.
Cause man, there are trash monsters in every facet of life and you just got to find the good ones.
tim pool
Alright, Kevin D says, the tweet is hilarious.
What are you guys talking about?
The left has lost its mind.
Time to start treating them as such.
MTGFTW.
jamie kilstein
Oh, that tweet.
lydia smith
Oh, that tweet.
tim pool
No, look, look.
Like I said, a lot of people are going to absolutely love MTG's tweet.
I'll tell you my perspective.
jamie kilstein
I'm reading the tweet again.
tim pool
I try to deescalate, right?
And so when I see tweets like that or I see like Alex Stein, my initial reaction is like, let's try and simmer things down.
But I also feel like I don't know if that matters anymore.
ian crossland
It matters.
It matters that we push the envelope and that we acknowledge when we do.
tim pool
Maybe.
jamie kilstein
Well, I also think like you can't, you can't, you can't give up because I think that's the reason you have reasonable people who tweet me and the audience you have is because you can admit when something is funny.
You can admit when something's extreme, like you not being beholden to that, I think is a good thing.
ian crossland
Yeah, actually, when we had Alex Stein on a Friday, because he had said, big booty Latina to AOC, and I was like, yeah, like, what, what right does she really even have to be upset with someone harass, like, or I was like, people really shouldn't be harassing our senators on the steps of the, of the building.
And he was like, actually, yeah, they should.
Yeah, they should.
Or whatever he, whatever happened, he defended her.
tim pool
They should be confronting her.
ian crossland
I was like, she shouldn't have the right to like, yell out, hey, be upset about that.
And he's like, yeah, she should have the right to do that.
Be upset with what I did.
Actually, yeah, that's.
tim pool
All right, the one free man says, Chase Bank canceled my accounts without warning, not frozen.
Wife stranded 120 miles away, no food or gas, couldn't pay employees.
Over a week to fix, no access to hundreds of thousands.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
The livelihoods of over 20 people, still no answer or reason.
unidentified
Weird.
tim pool
Scary social credit score future.
Oh my gosh.
It's coming.
ian crossland
Parallel economy.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Parallel economy.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
All right.
Eric Wallin says, the height study needs a follow-up.
Lefties scored low in purity as well, but if you lived through the pandemic, you saw a massive authoritarian purity signal from the left.
Yeah, that would be interesting.
I don't know how you'd track for that, but that would be interesting.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Curtis C says, with enough faith, we can walk through the fire completely unscathed.
unidentified
Just like Shadrach, Meshach, and... Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
tim pool
Oh, who's that?
lydia smith
Those are the guys in the story of Daniel.
And they talk about how they went into the fire and God saved them.
And the king looked, the king who threw them into the fire, looked in and saw them just standing there, praising God.
It was really an interesting story.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie kilstein
Didn't homie in the Bible get me too'd as well?
lydia smith
I know, right?
Apparently.
tim pool
And the Lord saith, this me too is BS.
unidentified
I stand for not.
jamie kilstein
Jezebel.cometh is not new this.
tim pool
It's like, it's actually in there.
It's like, no one's ever read this page before.
unidentified
It's one page.
tim pool
Michael Calderon says, shout out to the IRL billboard on Halstead and Chicago Avenue.
Any thought on making a Spanish version or dubbed version of your shows?
ian crossland
Wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
Hold on.
It's still there.
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
Well, you know, like sometimes I put a billboards and then never take them down.
jamie kilstein
Yeah.
unidentified
I wonder if they just became a forever billboard.
tim pool
I love it.
The company is really trying to get us to Times Square stuff again, and I want to, but Yo, it's expensive.
Like we got a deal, I guess, cause it was like, it was like the end of COVID.
And so the deal we got was like, okay, yeah, we could do this.
And now it's like, here's the next one.
And I'm like, Ooh, no way.
jamie kilstein
If we have something to promote.
tim pool
Well, I mean, we can always promote this show, but we gotta figure it out.
We're doing ads on Facebook and Instagram right now.
I was gonna, and I think I just submitted, I've been trying to get ads on Spotify forever, but Spotify has rejected every single one for some reason.
unidentified
Awful.
lydia smith
That's weird.
tim pool
The first, it was like, you're not allowed to promote other platforms, and I was like, oh, okay.
It's just crazy.
It's like, I'm gonna pay you to promote your platform, I guess.
And they were like, you're not allowed to promote other platforms.
And I was like, what?
My website?
I can't do an ad for a web.
Okay.
So I took it out.
And then there's like the picture had something in it.
jamie kilstein
And it's like, bro, we're getting so many letters about Rogan.
Can you just let us just take a break?
tim pool
It's just crazy.
It's like, I'm going to pay you to promote your platform.
I guess.
jamie kilstein
Right.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Whatever.
jamie kilstein
They're so gross.
tim pool
But I want to do Reddit ads too, but Reddit's really weird and confusing.
ian crossland
We should do Rumble ads.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
But to get people to go to the website.
ian crossland
Top front and center on Rumble for like a week or two weeks or something.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll see what happens.
All right.
David A. says, Do not try and walk through the fire.
That's impossible.
Instead, only try to realize the truth.
There is no fire.
Then you'll see that it's not the fire that burns, only your enemy.
unidentified
Whoa!
lydia smith
That's deep.
tim pool
That's the Matrix.
lydia smith
Interesting.
I don't remember that.
It's been a long time.
tim pool
You can't bend the spoon, that's impossible.
Instead, you have to realize the truth.
There is no spoon.
There is no spoon.
All right, Ona Comey says, have you seen Tom Fitton's Twitter post about Congress pushing new marriage legislation including group marriages or any kind of marriage legalized by any state?
Any kind, huh?
lydia smith
Like sister wives stuff?
tim pool
Sister wives?
What is it?
taylor silverman
Like when someone has multiple wives.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
jamie kilstein
She means sexy.
That's the word she was looking for.
taylor silverman
What?
tim pool
Sister wives, huh?
All right.
What do we got here?
DeBronk says, can people who advocate for sex changes of children still complain about clitorectomy among young girls in Muslim countries?
lydia smith
No, they can't.
jamie kilstein
Wow, I've never heard that.
tim pool
I mean, the Orville did an episode this season about detransitioning a kid, and the bad guy was the one who wanted the kid transitioned.
It was kind of like, I think they were trying to play it both ways somehow?
But like, the gist of the story is they transitioned a baby because that was normal in their culture.
And then when the kid grew up and said, this is not right, I don't want to be this way, they reversed it.
But the tradition on the planet was to trans your kids.
So they were like, you're backwards, your traditions, you need to abandon them.
And I was like, Seth MacFarlane basically made the traditionalists the one who want to transgender their kids.
It was like, it was weird.
unidentified
Wild.
tim pool
Yeah, it was wild.
Yep.
unidentified
And I don't, I don't know.
tim pool
It certainly was not woke.
ian crossland
I wish I could understand the way his mind works for seven seconds or something.
tim pool
Yeah.
In the end, it's a little girl who is transitioning to be a boy and then doesn't want it.
And it's like, this doesn't feel right.
And then they were like, no, you can't do it.
And they have to violate regulations to undo the surgery or whatever.
And it's like, and then they do.
And then the traditionalist, the alien race, they're all male.
So that's why they force trans their kids.
So the one's like, this is wrong.
And he leaves.
And then he's like, why can't you give up your backwards traditions or whatever?
ian crossland
Seth MacFarlane's like, let's take an idea.
Now that idea is a hammer.
And here's another idea.
This idea is a nail.
Now the whole room's on fire.
unidentified
And you're like, oh, what's happening, Seth?
taylor silverman
In all seriousness, though, the stories of detransitioners are really tragic.
And then a lot of times they don't get much support.
tim pool
They get banned.
lydia smith
Negative support, yeah.
tim pool
All right, Frankie Perez says, Tim, my wife and I love your show.
It would be wicked to have Isaac Butterfield on the show.
He's an Australian YouTube commentator on society that would be fun to watch on this platform.
lydia smith
Oh, does he stay inside?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Otherwise, I don't know how you'd get him out there.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's hard.
tim pool
To the United States.
C'est difficile.
All right, let's see what we got here.
Let's grab a super chat.
David C. Kronk Sr.
says, I never hear Ian call Islam a cult.
ian crossland
Islam is a cult.
jamie kilstein
There he is.
tim pool
There he is.
ian crossland
As are all religions.
tim pool
Judo eagles as a Christian couple doesn't guarantee a Christian child.
lydia smith
Of course.
tim pool
So what happened to that Christian couple if they did not transfer their values to their children?
lydia smith
Well, typically what I've seen happen with Christianity is that kids who are born into it tend to gravitate away from it, but then if their parents taught them critical thinking and reasoning, they come around to some form of faith.
That's exactly what happened with me and a lot of my peers.
We weren't just Christian, we were raised homeschooled as well.
So we had like a serious layer of what we felt was bigotry for a long time, and then we came back around.
tim pool
But Jewish couples, like religious Jews, tend to have their kids adopt their religious values, don't they?
I don't know about that.
Is that a tendency?
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm not sure.
taylor silverman
I mean, I think in some cases, I was the first generation of my family to be raised pretty much secular.
But I think that a lot of the values, just like cultural ones and coming from my parents, grandparents probably passed down to me anyways, even though I wasn't involved in religious stuff.
jamie kilstein
Yeah, I think you meet a lot more secular Jews or just sort of like, we're all just kind of chill about it.
unidentified
And so there's less... There's a lot of religious Jews too.
jamie kilstein
No, no, no, of course.
taylor silverman
And on different levels.
jamie kilstein
But like for me, Jews are really diverse in that way.
I grew up in sort of just like, you know, East Coast, artsy middle class, whatever.
We were A lot of the Jews that I knew, most of the Jews I knew, were so relaxed about it that the kids just sort of liked it and didn't want to rebel.
Whereas I think a lot of, you know, Christianity, it's like very heavy handed.
Like you are going to religious school like right away.
And so it makes more sense that you would rebel against that.
taylor silverman
And I think just the same as like kids who are raised really religious kind of venturing out of that and whether they come back to it or not there are kids who aren't raised religious who end up becoming really interested in religion as they get older.
lydia smith
Right.
They're curious.
taylor silverman
They can go both ways.
Yeah.
And everything in between.
tim pool
All right, John Galt says, Tim, pretty sure Prager's model was cut flower morality.
Morality cut off from the biblical principles and God will eventually wither and die.
And I agree with that because I think that's what we're starting to see.
I think we're seeing a generation raised without any access to that information at all.
And all of a sudden they're narcissists, they're completely ego driven.
And I wonder about it.
I do.
I mean, for me, I grew up in Chicago, completely urban, secular, atheist, liberal.
But first, you know, I don't know, 10 years of my life, we were Catholic.
And then we stopped.
And then I went to public school and saw a whole other world and a whole other, you know, view.
But I did learn all of those lessons early in life about morality and why.
lydia smith
Yeah, and I think that I don't want to misrepresent Dennis Prager because I really like him and I love his Bible that he wrote, the version of the Bible that he wrote.
He calls it cut flower ethics.
I was calling it cut flower culture because that's the first thing that comes up when you Google it, but I want to say that I feel like the flaw in cut flower ethics is that it seems to be working for a little while.
You're like, this is fine, this is working, and then you get to where we are now and you're like, this is not working anymore, this is dying, unfortunately.
ian crossland
Is it when people hold up the idea rather than embody the idea?
lydia smith
Well, it's when you disconnect it from its roots.
So you tend to rule out some of the structure that's underlying it.
And it's very dangerous because, like Dennis says, it appears to work for a little while, but ultimately it ends up failing, wilting, dying.
It's sad.
tim pool
Somebody said, where is it?
I just saw it.
Valdo follows his Tim, your Times Square ad is on a Netflix Resident Evil TikTok with over 3.5 million views.
Sold in advertising.
lydia smith
How do we find it?
jamie kilstein
Link, link, link.
tim pool
So that's, that's the reality of Times Square advertising and why it's so effective and why everybody wants it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Because we've had like verified blue text with like 100k followers be like, yo, I'm in Times Square.
And then right there, big and bold on the picture is like our ad.
And that's why you do it.
So it's very, very effective.
jamie kilstein
Yes.
tim pool
So we'll take a look at that.
Raymond G. Maga Stanley Jr.
III says, shout out to Taylor.
Welcome.
We are of the good.
unidentified
Thanks.
tim pool
So, we are really excited for the vlog stuff.
We've had a bunch of really funny jokes.
We've, you know, pushed the envelope.
Obviously, we did the one where Seamus got the cake, the coming out cake.
And we were like, it's edgy, it's a little on the edge, you know, but we're probably fine.
And we've had other jokes, like I mentioned, the easiest way to explain it is like Trump stuff or vaccine stuff, where it's like, okay, YouTube would never allow that.
Even as a joke, they wouldn't care about the context.
Family-friendly, not offensive, doesn't matter.
So we're really excited what we're gonna be able to launch with this show.
There's more information coming tomorrow, but I'll just say this.
We're thinking it's gonna be like Tuesdays at 7 p.m.
on the website, and we're gonna have it as a routine, ready to go.
jamie kilstein
We're gonna do promotions for it, and then... Maybe we were even talking about maybe doing like a poster pre-show with like some of the cast members, like or a watch-along for some of them.
tim pool
That'd be fun.
Big promotional stuff.
All right, everybody.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com.
Be a member because when you sign up now, Parallel Economy is the principal way we become members.
It rumbles involved.
It's a company that is anti-censorship.
That means for all of us.
I don't know if Parallel Economy is public-facing yet.
You can apply to use their service.
But once they become like PayPal, you sign up, you create an account, Then PayPal loses their power.
Then these woke cults lose their financial control of things.
This is what we need to support.
So I hit them up a long time ago like, guys, what do we got to do?
Because, you know, for one, we don't want to get banned.
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We love you all so much for doing it.
Thank you.
Taylor, you want to shout anything out?
taylor silverman
Um, if you'd like to follow me on my social media, I am on Twitter at tmsilverman and Instagram at taylormaysilverman and thanks for having me on for the first time.
It's cool to be here.
jamie kilstein
I'm gonna promote the website.
I'm gonna promote TimCast.com because we're gonna do awesome stuff with the vlog and I know there are people out here Who for a long time had no interest in signing up and they were lying and going, well, man, if they didn't have PayPal, you know, I just don't want to support PayPal.
That's the only reason.
And now you have no excuse.
So now you have to put up or shut up and go to TimCast.com.
Follow me on social media.
I've legitimately, you guys have made me like social media.
You can follow me on Twitter at Jamie Kilstein.
And my Instagram doesn't get nearly as much love as my Twitter, which is at the Jamie Kilstein.
And then if you happen to be in Houston, I will be doing stand-up comedy in two weeks on August 5th and 6th at the Riot Comedy Club, which is theriothtx.com.
You can come say hey and watch me do an hour of filthy stand-up.
lydia smith
Awesome.
unidentified
Awesome.
ian crossland
You guys can follow me at iancrossland.net.
If you want to get in touch with me on social media, you'll find any of my channels through that portal, iancrossland.net.
Very fun, you guys.
Great to have you, Taylor.
tim pool
Thanks for being so welcoming.
taylor silverman
You found it?
lydia smith
I did.
I found it.
tim pool
How do I find it?
lydia smith
I sent it to you.
I found the TikTok thing with our billboard in it.
It's a very cool ad for Resident Evil, and it's filmed in Times Square, and right up there in that left-hand corner is DukeCast.com, and it has almost a million views between the two videos that I'm looking at right now.
tim pool
But you can't really see the ad.
lydia smith
You can't.
But you can see part of it, and it is pretty big on TikTok.
712.6 thousand on one, and 145 thousand.
That's a very cool ad.
So you guys should check it out if you have TikTok, if you've been compromised by the Chinese.
I am Sour Patch Lids.
You guys can follow me on Twitter, Minds.com, at Sour Patch Lists, as well as Sour Patch Lids.me.
tim pool
I think we got lucky because when I was talking to the agency, they said the billboard we're on has been bought for like the rest of the year.
Oh wow.
So normally this is what companies do.
They'll be like, I want it for the whole year.
And they spend like $10 million, some ridiculous number.
We got it like super cheap.
It was expensive.
Don't get me wrong, but like relatively cheap.
I was like, wow, we can afford that.
And now they're coming back with like, here's the numbers for the season.
And I'm like, what?
But this is like the end of summer, like, in fall?
Well, what probably happened was COVID hit, traffic was down, and they were like, bye, whatever, we'll lower the rates.
So, you know, we'll see what happens.
Everybody, thanks for being members.
What does this say?
Oh, here we go.
Trevor Crump said Chicken City was live streaming in the children's section of the North Bend Washington Twin Peaks Library.
lydia smith
What?
unidentified
That's so cool!
tim pool
Much better than Drag Queen Story Hour.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh, that's awesome.
tim pool
Right on.
So I'll just give a shout out to all the people who work in schools, teachers, whatever, libraries, community centers.
If you need something to turn on, turn on Chicken City, man.
ChickenCityLive.com.
There's funny, family-friendly cartoons that they get tremendous viewership.
We're working on another one that's really, really funny.
And thank you all so much for watching Chicken City and Castle Castle and Tales from the Inverted World.
We got more coming.
We will see you all over at TimCast.com for the uncensored After Hours show at about 11.
Thanks for hanging out.
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