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Timcast IRL - Ex Federal Agent Investigated As ACCOMPLICE In Buffalo Tragedy w/ Bryan Dean Wright
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we have an investigation happening in buffalo Apparently, before this tragic incident occurred at the grocery store, advance warning was given to several people, one of which was a retired federal agent.
So now, it is being reported by the Buffalo News that there is an active investigation into whether or not this individual should be charged as an accomplice.
Of course, this story is going around because a lot of people are looking into, let's just call it, nefarious and malicious means behind the scenes involving federal agents with these tragic incidents that have occurred.
I don't blindly just believe the theories that people are putting out, the conspiracies.
But I do think it's interesting to talk about, because some people seem to think there may be more going on, and I think the information we get out of these warrants an investigation.
So guess what?
They're investigating this guy.
Now, typically when people investigate themselves, they don't find anything wrong, so who knows?
But there are a lot of other questions about what happened with the Uvalde shooting, like how this poor kid A couple days after his 18th birthday was able to get a credit line or able to get money to buy an extremely expensive rifle, get it delivered and pick it up all in the span of less than two days?
Some people just, they want to know.
There needs to be an investigation here.
But we have more information coming out and I'm shocked to say, for the first time in a long time, the left and the right are united.
They're united in their disdain for the police.
Who stood in the hallway as they heard the shots going off and did nothing.
And outside barred parents from getting in, armed parents, from saving their kids.
So it's remarkable to see left-wing activists just as outraged and for the same reasons as the rightists.
So hey, who'd have thought this would be the thing that would unify us?
But when kids lose their lives and police do nothing and bar people from saving them, I think you're gonna get a lot of, a lot of people are gonna be angry.
So we're gonna talk all about this and a bunch of other stuff.
Joining us to discuss this is Brian Dean Wright.
bryan dean wright
Good, sir.
tim pool
Pleasure.
Who are you?
bryan dean wright
Yes, I am here to enjoy you all, but beyond being here, I host a podcast called the President's Daily Brief.
We talk about a lot of international affairs, some domestic stuff, but the focus is just like the actual President's Daily Brief, which is a top-secret summary that's given to the president every morning.
I do the same thing with folks of what's happening around the world.
And we focus a lot on why you should care, because lots of things around the world happen, but really why would I care if I'm in Des Moines this morning, right?
So we talk about that, and we talk about solutions.
So how do we solve the country's problems, the world's problems?
So that's what I do every morning at 6 a.m., and having worked at the CIA, that's the reason I started doing this PDB podcast.
tim pool
Oh, so you're a former deep state?
bryan dean wright
Yes.
Well, maybe current.
Can you ever shake it?
Oh, let's talk about that.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
But you did work at the CIA.
bryan dean wright
I did.
tim pool
We'll definitely talk about that in the Deep State or whatever else.
We have Daniel Turner as well.
daniel turner
Yeah, and if there's a Fed to my right, my name is Jack Pasogna.
Yes, Daniel Turner, Power of the Future.
Great to be here again.
Always good to be with you.
And I was talking to Brian in the green room.
I've followed him for years and years, and so it's actually really cool to meet you in person.
bryan dean wright
I'm glad to be here.
ian crossland
Ian Crosson, what's up everybody?
I'm going to do something a little controversial and spin the UFO with my fingers.
tim pool
Oh my gosh!
ian crossland
Look at that wobbly spinner.
I didn't say I was going to spin it fast.
I just said I was going to spin it, and I followed through.
tim pool
The chat has exploded, everyone's saying Fed.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, we talk about a road to redemption, so is there something like that when you're no longer a Fed, or how long until you're no longer?
bryan dean wright
Well, you guys tell me, what's the penance?
What's the thing that I have to do to make myself redeemed?
tim pool
Talk about a hundred bucks right now, actually.
bryan dean wright
Your soul will be saved.
I'm in.
ian crossland
What about you, Lydia?
lydia smith
I am also here in the corner, and I'm about to troubleshoot a little audio buzz we seem to be having.
I think I know what it is, so hopefully I can fix it, but until then, I'll throw it to Tim.
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Let's read this first story from the Buffalo News.
Authorities investigating if retired federal agent knew of Buffalo mass shooting plans in advance.
They're actually wondering If this dude should be charged as an accomplice.
What they're basically saying is that, in this, I think it was in the Discord, that the, oh, I'm swallowing it wrong, here we go, the perpetrator shared the information with six individuals, one of which was a retired federal agent.
They say, agents from the FBI are in the process of tracking down and interviewing the six people, including the retired agent, and attempting to determine if any of them should be charged as accomplices, the two sources with close knowledge of the probe told the Buffalo News.
The two sources did not identify the agent by name and could not confirm what agency he worked for.
I just gotta start off by saying sometimes there are racist former federal agents, sometimes people who are criminals work for different departments, or maybe this guy was in a discord and did not see any of this information and that's why he didn't report it.
We don't know.
But the reason I want to lead with this is because there's a lot of questions around all of these.
It's becoming particularly prominent to see on Twitter and other platforms where people are questioning How these things can actually happen?
Like, how is it, you know, with Uvalde, a guy, two days after his 18th birthday, gets one of the best, most expensive rifles possible?
What was his training?
How could he afford it?
He was being made fun of for being, you know, poor.
Now all of a sudden, you know, so people question this stuff.
I think there are simple solutions, simple answers to a lot of these things, but I do think Fed?
Did you just say current Fed?
and honestly, we can cast doubt onto these theories.
But I think it's interesting.
So I don't know, what do you guys think about this?
The potential federal agent?
I should ask you, Brian, as you are former Fed, maybe current.
bryan dean wright
Did you just say current Fed?
Fed.
unidentified
Yeah, got it.
bryan dean wright
All right.
Yeah, look, there are bad apples in every bunch, aren't there?
And whether this guy was knowledgeable and actually ignored his own training, which is these folks, especially bureau guys, they know absolutely the signs, the flags and when and where to report those.
So he should have a very special, sensitive tripwire is the point.
And the fact that he didn't do what he should have is really odd and frankly disconcerting because it doesn't make sense.
tim pool
Interesting.
So I can't confirm a lot of what people are posting in these stories, but some people are saying that apparently these guys might have been in Uvalde and in Buffalo in the same discords, or that the people egging them on may have been in the same discords.
daniel turner
If you go back all the way to Columbine and you look at the investigation into that, Even even Dylan clay blot.
I think his name was I forget But even his his family said, you know, he spent a lot of time in the garage We always heard these loud noises.
He was always blowing things up This is kind of similar in the sense that there are a lot of warning signs, right?
Like really he's telling people just like the guy in Texas, you know told people he told that girl who he tagged on social media in LA like I'm gonna do this and I mean if that isn't a sign that there is some clear mental problem that there's this very blatant cry for help.
There's almost the desire to attract attention before the fact.
bryan dean wright
And I think right now the conversation as it should be is you know what else can we do?
But I think what we're starting to see now is Well, actually, there really isn't a need necessarily for more laws or more sort of bureaucratic steps.
It's just actually to execute what the things that we were supposed to do more thoughtfully, more consistently, whether it's at the schools, you know, making sure doors are shut for people's sake.
If you're a parent or you're a loved one or you're a neighbor and you start seeing this stuff, Raise the flag.
Do the things that we all know to that work, right?
So I don't know in this case as we learn more that we really should have an additional layer of of laws or whatnot.
It's really just making sure that we what we do and you know have on the books just execute that more thoughtfully more consistently.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan dean wright
And I'll tell you that this issue of training that's one that I think is really odd on this with this fellow because he was so young there is no He just got this gun.
It's not a light weapon to work with.
So some degree of training, exposure, where did he get that?
That's one of the things that I have been looking at and looking for.
tim pool
Yeah, so when people are pointing out this gun with taxes and shipping and everything was two grand.
You know, a lot of people said, how could a guy who works at Wendy's and is under 18 afford that?
Because you'd have to, I mean, save up for how long?
I mean, I suppose if he's living with his mom, he's not paying anything.
But then apparently he got into a fight with his grandma or something over a phone bill.
So he, I mean, maybe he really just saved up this money.
And then it's, it actually is, it could be quite simple, a credit card.
You turn 18, you get a credit card.
If you've got no bad credit, you might get a couple grand on a credit card.
unidentified
Yeah, easily.
tim pool
But then there's a time frame.
So, uh, I'm not sure if this is correct.
I don't know if you guys know.
You guys can fact check me.
But it was, it was two days after his 18th birthday.
Can, I, so he ordered the gun online.
And then maybe a week in advance it got shipped, and then he went there and picked it up, and then the next day maybe?
I mean, it's all possible.
I don't want to say it's impossible, but it is kind of like, did he really plan it out meticulously as he did?
I suppose, right?
ian crossland
It sounds like he'd been planning it for a while.
If he organized it so that the gun had arrived after he turned 18 and everything was right then, it sounds like he'd been planning it.
bryan dean wright
Well, let me add.
So this issue of planning.
So in the intelligence community, particularly with terror attacks, we know that there is a planning process.
And along that process, you end up finding ways to intervene.
They slip up.
They make mistakes.
There are little warning signs.
And from an intel perspective, that's what you look for to stop those attacks.
So I think, again, we're going to see the more investigative work that gets done, there are those little pops and flags that we're going to see retroactively be like, we should have seen that.
Or somebody did see that and they didn't do something.
And I think that's where we're going to start really making a difference when these horrible events happen.
We learn from them.
That's how we stop the next one.
It's going to change.
The next attack is going to change, but that's what we learn.
tim pool
Yeah, basically what you were just saying before, to add on to that, when I look at these incidents, I think one of the problems we have is that we think there's a solution.
And maybe there is, I'm not saying we shouldn't try and figure something out, but I wonder
if when people are saying, we need armed teachers, and I'm like, well, I think if people were
armed in general, we'd probably be better off.
But I don't know if that solves the problem of a deranged young person who plans this
thing out.
If this dude really did plan it out as extensively as he did, and seemingly he did because he
ordered it in advance, waited until his 18th birthday, saved up money, got a credit card,
who knows what he did, but he planned it, then I don't think, I'll put it this way,
You mentioned something before the show.
You said we got to be right 100 out of 100 times, because that one time you aren't is when they get you.
So we can plan.
We can be like, OK, how about armed teachers?
And then the kid just, the next person makes a plan to accommodate for armed teachers.
I think the issue is that we've got a cultural and mental illness problem.
I think that, you know, I know a lot of conservatives say mental illness problem, but you look at the medication these kids are on, and we have a fatherlessness problem.
It's cultural, and it's multifaceted.
Everybody just wants this singular solution.
They're like, we can either ban the guns, or, you know, we can arm the teachers, and I'm like, that's not going to solve what's going on.
daniel turner
Well, I think, and when it comes to the government stepping in, you know, this kid is cutting himself, right?
He's made a lot of threats.
Where's Child Protective Services?
And all I'm going to say is I don't even have, it's not even a question, it's more just an observation.
But Child Protective Services were showing up to people's parents, to parents' house where they refused to vaccinate their kids within hours, right?
In the height of the pandemic of COVID, Child Protective Services was stepping in swiftly.
So it's just kind of bizarre that the same government services that we are looking to protect children in the case that the parents are not doing their job seem to be kind of absent when this is a very clear case of a kid who is troubled, who is abusive, who is... I mean, if you're 17 and you're cutting yourself, you're cutting your face repeatedly, I mean, how much more of a red flag law do we need to say this kid is not... But boy, if he had said my parents won't get me vaccinated, holy crap, the Child Protective Services would have been there within minutes.
ian crossland
What if he says my parents won't let me get my Adderall prescription filled?
Will Child Protective Services come and take him?
Will they side with him because he needs his Adderall?
Or will they side with the parent because it's inconscionable to give a 14-year-old Adderall?
daniel turner
My parents won't let me choose my pronoun.
unidentified
Yeah.
daniel turner
Holy cow would they have swept in and said the abuse you're creating to this child.
So the reason why I'm bringing this up is not to dump on people who are failing at their job.
But if you're turning to the government for a solution, I don't think you're going to have any solution that works.
ian crossland
Not in this case.
It's like state of mind.
The government is not good at solving state of mind.
You need like a spiritual leader or something or something like that.
tim pool
I think we are in a culture war for a reason.
We have very serious cultural problems.
Now, it's cool to see that the left and the right are unified in their disdain for the police over this one, but when you look at how the left has been approaching basically everything, I can say it feels to me the reason moderates and conservatives are kind of united.
You've got post-liberal, libertarian, centrists, and conservatives all in sort of an agreement because they're actually addressing facts and issues.
The left isn't.
You know, when it comes to issues of these shootings, they say, background checks.
I said yesterday, okay, we have those.
Ban the AR-15.
Okay, what about an AK?
What about an M1A?
What about any other gun?
I mean, so many!
They're just not saying anything.
But they're getting really, really mad.
So I look at the deep cultural issues, and I'm sorry if I'm not going to take a liberal's word for it, because they believe Jesse Smollett.
And now we have this tweet going viral from another fake account, claiming that Governor Abbott sent a rep to this guy's house, telling him that we'll pay you to stand with the governor, and if you don't, we'll criminally charge you or something.
It's the most ridiculous made-up fake story, probably by a 12-year-old.
And Twitter hasn't taken it down?
I was tweeting let me know if you need any help Pulitzer winning journalists are all tweeting it out like I
can't believe this is happening Christopher Titus the comedian verified he's like Abbott is
done. It's like dude Boomers, I mean I want to say boomer, but they're not boomers
daniel turner
They're like 35 years old and Twitter hasn't taken it down Twitter hasn't flagged it as misinformation or false
tim pool
Yeah But forgive me if I say the people who believe Jesse Smollett, I'm not going to take political advice from.
It's just never going to happen.
ian crossland
Maybe a lack of critical thinking, because I think they're still getting facts that's just not right.
They're wrong facts, whatever that means.
tim pool
Well, they're not facts.
ian crossland
Yeah, like that the AR means assault rifle, for instance.
And then they think, ban AR, you're not gonna have any more assault rifles.
bryan dean wright
So even if you look at this, I think, from the most hopeful perspective, people need control.
And when you have a moment like this, everything feels out of control.
So you're gonna gravitate to the thing that makes you feel best and most comfortable, and it's AR-15.
Okay, that's the bad thing that we all need to focus our energy on.
It doesn't matter the nuance or the facts.
It's just enough people in the moment of hysteria say, that's the bad thing.
There's the one silver bullet solution.
Focus on it.
And that's just not true.
You're bringing up the very correct points.
This is multifaceted.
Maybe we have a medicine issue or the mental health concern.
We have a lack of a father.
We have a lack of support in the family.
There are so many different pieces to each of these kinds of horrific shootings that to stop and really ask tough questions.
Not happening.
We just want the one silver bullet solution.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet from Matt Walsh.
Matt Walsh says, absolutely damning.
There is no defending this.
19 officers waited outside and listened to children get slaughtered.
I hope all of these cowards are sued into bankruptcy.
They deserve prison too, but I doubt that's going to happen.
Let me read for you this excerpt that Matt posted.
The authorities now say that local officers first entered the school at 11.35, two minutes after the gunman, and that there were 19 officers in the hallway by 12.03 p.m., but that they did not breach the door and kill the gunman until 12.50, even as they continued to hear him firing.
I just want to pause, and perhaps tug at your heartstrings, maybe a little bit.
I want you to imagine being in the hallway hearing 10-year-old children being shot from a high-powered rifle and with 19 people around you armed, and I want you to imagine what must possibly be going through your head to think, I'm not gonna do anything.
I can't fathom that.
This wrecked me when I read this tweet.
It's wrecking me now.
ian crossland
I'm wondering what they knew, the cops.
Did they think there were multiple shooters?
Was it possible there were multiple shooters that they were firing on purpose in there to draw them in, to kill the cops?
What did they know?
tim pool
I think what was the first thing they said, but they could have got shot.
Is that what it was?
bryan dean wright
Look, I'll tell you from my view, having worked with law enforcement and the intelligence community, when you're going face-to-face with really awful, evil people, you just go.
And you get into this line of work because you know that you're there because other people can't be or won't be.
And so you take that mantle on.
You know that you're going to throw yourself into harm's way.
And the people who love you, your spouses, your kids, they know that that's the agreement that you have.
It's just in your heart.
And so, you know, the extent to which this did or didn't happen, I don't know.
But I'll tell you, if you had a bunch of guys in a hallway who knew that this slaughter was happening, And they put aside their oath and their commitment to those kids or their community because they were afraid for their own lives.
While at some level I think most of it can understand like, hey, we want to preserve ourselves.
When you sign up to be a law enforcement official or even an intelligence officer, you understand that your body at some level belongs to the mission.
And you go.
You go in and you know that you will sacrifice yourself.
That's just what you sign up for.
tim pool
I don't, I don't, you know, that sounds very logical.
I don't know that I would be affected in that way.
I think the moment I heard screaming and the guns, I'd just be kicking the door in.
bryan dean wright
Yeah.
tim pool
I can't, I can't even, I don't think I'd be able to think straight.
bryan dean wright
But that's the point.
Most people that I've ever worked with in law enforcement, they come to the table with that orientation in their heart.
That's just what they do because they know that they're going to be called on to do that.
It doesn't matter who your kids are or your spouses or whatever.
When you hear that moment, when you see that that person needs to be taken down, you go and you know that you can put yourself in harm's way.
tim pool
Yeah, real quick.
Sorry, man.
Have you ever watched a movie where there's like medieval warfare or ancient warfare or even colonial era warfare?
daniel turner
And I always thought... Every Mel Gibson movie ever made?
tim pool
Every Mel Gibson movie, all of them.
The Patriot is one of my favorite movies of all time.
And when I watch these movies, I always see those guys in the front line with the spears or whatever, and I'm like, they know they're gonna die.
And they stand there knowing they are going to die.
And it's remarkable because that's something you choose to walk up to, stand there and say, this is it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
When, when in this circumstance, I'm just like, this is the exact opposite of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
These are the people who are like, I'm not going in front and they, they, they can hear children being shot.
I can't, I can't understand.
I have run into danger for stupider reasons than that.
When I worked for these, these media companies and the, we hear the gunshots and we hear the, the, the flashbangs go off and we take cover and we slowly tried going towards it just to film it.
Just a film.
Because we want to show people what's happening.
Let alone trying to save the life of a child.
My brain doesn't understand this.
I just don't get it.
daniel turner
I just can't.
It doesn't.
The brain doesn't process it.
Because even if it weren't the gunshots.
If they just said on the other side of this door are some children who were shot.
You can't fathom standing there for 30 minutes and saying, oh yeah, there were kids shot on the other side of this door.
Like, they knew there were people who had been shot.
You are looking for triage.
You're looking to... So it just... It doesn't make sense.
And I'm not saying it didn't happen.
It just... It defies logic.
It defies emotion.
It defies human nature.
It defies the nature of law enforcement, which does have that race in and save the day.
It just... It doesn't compute.
tim pool
Look, you've got, left and right publications are essentially unified on this.
CNN's reporting they waited in the hallway, 19 people.
That doesn't make any sense.
bryan dean wright
I'll tell you, working with a lot of guys in the military, they have told me stories, and no doubt people who are listening and watching right now probably know what I'm about to say, in terms of when you've got your brothers next to you, and if there's somebody coming at you, you get up and you fire.
You take care of the threat.
You do it for yourself, you do it for the people who are around you.
There's a brotherhood and a sisterhood that you're in this for the mission.
But it's also because you're doing this for your country.
You know, in this way, you're doing it for your community.
You're doing it for those kids and those families, but you're doing it for your community because you love your community.
You want to defend it from any threat, foreign or domestic.
It's the exact same thing in the military.
Those guys do it for their country because they love their country.
So I don't know what in the heck has gone on here, but something is very, very wrong.
tim pool
I got ratioed today on Twitter because I said, this is what happens when you defund the police, you get incompetent officers.
And the response from the right was these were fully funded officers and they have no obligation to defend anybody.
And the left said the same thing.
This department was never defunded.
And so I'm going to eat that one and I'm going to own up to the poor wording of the idea.
What I was thinking of when I was tweeting that was this is what happens after quote unquote defund the police.
I didn't mean to say that this department was specifically defunded.
I said when you demonize police When you memorialize criminals, this is what you'll get.
Why would an officer, they're thinking to themselves, if I go in there, they're going to blame me.
They're going to, you know, they're going to say, oh, he started shooting because you did it.
They will throw, so no one is willing to take the actions anymore.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was imagining that it from their perspective, maybe in like, fog of war, they didn't know what was going on.
If there were multiple shooters, if it was a hostage situation, if ever there are three guys in there with ar 15s trained on the door, ready for cops just to walk through one by one and take them down one by one.
And they're like, we're not going to add to the bloodshed.
That's what I'm trying to figure.
Someone had mentioned that cops do not rush towards an armed man that they can't see because they will get shot.
What are we gonna say, Brian?
bryan dean wright
This idea though, building on what you both have just said, this idea of risk aversion, right?
So if you right now are in a law enforcement capacity in this country, you know that if you step incorrectly, you are going to be under a massive microscope, irrespective of your intent.
So, could there have been an issue here where some of those people, particularly collectively, are like, oh god, if we do the wrong thing here, or the cameras are going to be outside, and we're all going to get nailed for this.
To what extent is there a risk aversion sort of culture developing within law enforcement because of this sort of the woke stuff, or even some degree of actually good scrutiny over what people in law enforcement have done historically.
But has it gone too far?
Has the pendulum swung too far?
I think that that could also potentially be something that we're looking at here.
daniel turner
Well, the last two Democrat presidents, one being the current and the one before Trump, you know, the day this happened or two days ago, they were talking about George Floyd and talking about the need for police accountability.
So when you say, have we taken it too far?
Yeah.
Who wants to be a cop right now?
And this just makes it worse, right?
Now everyone's like, you're going to be a cop.
Did you know 19 of them stood in the hallway?
And now you have to be collectively joined to that, you're all cops.
It's like, I don't want to be part of that type of cop, but I want to be a cop.
But not anymore, I don't.
If this is what it means, if every time I do something, you're going to subpoena my body cam footage to have NBC edit it in a way that makes me look like the best.
Screw you.
I don't need this for $38,000 a year.
tim pool
And we desperately need heroes right now.
unidentified
Yeah, we do.
ian crossland
Yeah, if in the military, if those soldiers didn't have the authority to mow down civilians at will in the heat of the moment, we would lose every war.
You need that vicious onslaught.
You need it.
Or you cannot win a war.
That's war.
But these people, it basically was a similar, it was like a war moment of war in the classroom.
tim pool
But I think this is different, but I see what you're saying.
You need a certain level of vigor when it comes to outright war.
But when you're in war, it's different from when you're hearing children dying right next to you.
I have no words to explain.
ian crossland
The correlation is that their authority to be brutal has been stripped away from them.
I'm not saying that it's good for cops to be brutal, but I think that in some cases they need to feel like they can be in order to survive.
bryan dean wright
I would only offer, brother, that I think that there is a good thing that we teach both in law enforcement, the intel community, and military, and that is target discernment.
So understanding who's in front of you and whether or not to pull the trigger.
And I think that a certain bridling of that raw human nature that just wants to throttle and kill, it's not such a bad thing actually.
It's quite good.
So some discernment around target selection is brilliant.
But your point, and this is really important, in that fog of war, in that intensity, when your adrenaline is pumping, Are you going to make that perfect decision 100 times out
of 100 times?
No.
And we know that, whether it be in intel, law enforcement, or military, you're going
to make mistakes and mistakes are going to happen.
And so that's when I think as a country, we need to be able to have that moment of reflection
to say, someone made a mistake.
It doesn't mean all law enforcement are good or bad.
Let's be careful with our statements not to make sweeping generalizations, but maybe a bit more nuanced.
But the bottom line, I think that a little bit of target discernment is really important.
It's really good.
But I think in this case, something just didn't go well.
Didn't go right.
tim pool
It's worse than you all realize. It's not just about police who stood back and did nothing.
From TimCast.com. Border patrol team who ultimately killed the shooter were blocked
from entering the school by Uvalde police for nearly an hour. Why? It doesn't make any sense.
These people were not only were they cowards, but they were obstructing
the parents and the border patrol. This is something, something is wrong here.
daniel turner
Something is really screwed up.
tim pool
Something is seriously wrong here.
Now they're saying they thought the children were at risk and so they didn't want to risk it by storming in or something like that.
And now they're saying it was a big mistake.
I don't buy it.
For you to stand outside that room hearing gunshots, knowing there are children inside.
daniel turner
Even if you don't hear gunshots, if you know children had been shot an hour ago, still can't go in.
tim pool
There are kids who were shot inside can't go in what do they think was gonna happen like you after he killed all the kids He wasn't a threat anymore.
He's still got a gun look let him run out of bullets first.
That's crazy apparently had like what like 1,600 rounds We need right now for our future generations Heroes to look up to you know we need we need a story about one of these cops what should have happened and Storming in, kicking the door in, pulling out their service weapon, and ending this psychopath, and then telling people about how he risked everything to save these kids, and that's what you want to be when you grow up.
daniel turner
Yeah, well, the Border Patrol agent who actually did eventually kill him, right, was getting his hair cut.
His wife texted him and said, there's an active shooter in the school, help, and I'm sure you can find that article, and he was in the barber shop, he didn't have his weapon on him, but his barber had a shotgun, Holy cow!
lydia smith
That's amazing.
daniel turner
The barber is shotgun and drove to the school. That's amazing. He is the one that's the story and find the story
Yeah, that dude needs a move that dude and he's the one who who eventually killed the shooter
unidentified
But I'm sure you can find the article pull that up. That is the culture
bryan dean wright
I'm not having been in this world for a while That is absolutely in the DNA of every cop and every
military official and every CIA officer that I've worked with
I would say in the vast majority of cases That's what drives people to show up is doing exactly what
he did off-duty wasn't his responsibility doesn't matter It was still his mission because it was his community.
It was his country.
lydia smith
That's what people dream of when they join the forces.
Good people dream of having that moment when they can jump up, grab the nearest available weapon and make it happen.
Well, I wanted to say before we move to this really interesting sounding story, I think that this might be the result of what happened during the pandemic when they were locking down, they were enforcing all these unconstitutional rules and the good cops were like, I'm out!
Bye!
So we're left with Cowardly Cops, who watched what happened during the BLM riots.
tim pool
I don't know if he was the guy who actually killed the shooter.
They say it was a CBP Bortec.
Is it Bortec group?
lydia smith
Border Tactical?
tim pool
Yeah, that confronted him.
But this guy did run in with his Barbara shotgun.
daniel turner
Oh, he saved his wife and daughter.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
daniel turner
But he took his Barbara shotgun.
tim pool
Still, an amazing story.
unidentified
And these are the guys that we- Those are the ones that we need to make hero movies about.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Yup.
I mean, how would you do it?
It would be short.
Short and sweet.
It's just a dad who said, I've got to save my family, you know?
bryan dean wright
Again, what I would love to know is about this man's life.
What drove him in his life to become who he became?
In his childhood, in his young adulthood, what made him decide that in that moment, sitting in that barber chair, that he has this beautiful family, That he was going to either try to save them or he would know that as he was trying to save his family he could be shot and killed and he would be gone and his family would have to survive without him.
But he still got himself out of that chair grabbed that shotgun and ran.
There's something interesting and beautiful about his soul that I would love to understand because that's exactly what we need to uplift and celebrate.
tim pool
Yeah, it's actually a good origin story for his kid to be like if you were doing a movie about it about someone hero or like like a marine or a law enforcement guy did something great and it's like his origin was that his dad risked his life and that was the message he got and that's why he went on to become a hero.
bryan dean wright
I'm gonna tell you what this guy is.
He is a normal man who did something extraordinary.
Because that's what, in history of this country, it's not somebody who was born into some fancy family.
It was a normal person who was put in an extraordinary situation and did something extraordinary with the power of that moment.
daniel turner
I don't know.
When I think of the Careys and the Bushes and some of the prestigious families of the country, they've done amazing things.
lydia smith
Just absolutely amazing.
ian crossland
Definitely an amaze when I think about those things.
tim pool
He took his barbarous shotgun.
He actually helped evacuate people out of the building.
ian crossland
Well, do we have Medal of Honor for police?
Local, state police, things like that?
lydia smith
I don't know.
ian crossland
Maybe we should.
lydia smith
But I wanted to add before we move on, because our chat's full of people screaming feds, that this guy worked for the federal government.
He worked for the Border Patrol.
He wasn't a local cop.
The local cops didn't do jack.
tim pool
Deep state.
daniel turner
You raised a great question, though.
Is there a Medal of Honor, an award?
Will this guy be recognized?
It will be curious.
The next State of the Union is in seven months.
tim pool
Order patrol.
daniel turner
Whoever the president invites to his balcony is always a very important, very symbolic.
I will bet right now that Biden will take someone from Buffalo To highlight the racism angle, because that is what we do in our American politics.
He will not take a hero and say, this is a guy who risked everything.
He will take a victim and say, and it's because of this country that victimhood like this exists, because you're all bad.
Vote for me again.
So that's what I think is going to happen.
tim pool
It's a little speculative of me, but I don't think they'll build a statue for this guy.
bryan dean wright
No.
tim pool
But they built a statue for George Floyd.
daniel turner
Yes.
Pray for us, St.
George Floyd.
ian crossland
He was on fentanyl at the time of death.
tim pool
Oh, more than that.
He should not have died.
I mean, I'm not trying to say that in any way, but we don't want to make those guys heroes.
No, George Floyd died.
It's tragic.
And in many ways, you know, I also think that he was a flawed human being.
I don't know his name.
want people just to die, but we don't tell our children to look up to the people who
are dying in these tragic things and who have lived pretty bad lives.
We want kids to look up to this guy, Jacob Alborado, who was getting a haircut, and then
decides he gets a text from his wife.
That's the story.
And then says, you know, she says, I love you.
And he rushes in to help save.
I mean, you want to save his family, but he helps evacuating a bunch of other people too.
daniel turner
Get Jacob Alvarado on the show.
lydia smith
That is a great idea.
Might have to try that.
unidentified
Yeah.
daniel turner
I think, you know, just wait and ask him the question.
Where'd you come from?
tim pool
Well, he's also, he's also CBP.
So I'd love to talk to him.
unidentified
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
lydia smith
I'll get a lot of questions.
Yeah.
He'd be great guest.
daniel turner
Ask him if they really whip people.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
That's what I want to know.
tim pool
I was, I was at a, I went to Austin.
And I was hanging out at a hotel and flipping through the channels.
I can't remember which news station turned on automatically.
And it was this documentary.
And it was just the weirdest Jussie Smollett-level hoax, BS, leftist propaganda.
And it was playing this dark music and showing all these awful photos of, like, Trump supporters and Trump looking angry.
And then it showed the Border Patrol guy with the rain.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Please.
tim pool
Where they tried to convince people he was whipping them.
It's just not real.
daniel turner
No.
tim pool
These people believe Jussie Smollett hoaxes every single day.
daniel turner
Jesse is free again, right?
ian crossland
That's what I heard last night.
daniel turner
He hasn't been put back in jail.
That's what I heard last night.
bryan dean wright
But you know what's not fake is the deep state.
daniel turner
They're real.
lydia smith
Yeah, for sure.
bryan dean wright
So am I going to run out of this place?
lydia smith
Is that what's going to happen?
No, absolutely not.
ian crossland
I prefer the term administrative state.
Speaking of, you were part of the administrative state.
bryan dean wright
I was, that's true.
ian crossland
Why did you leave?
bryan dean wright
Two reasons.
The first was my brother still is an alcoholic but needed to be in rehab so I left to go make a bunch of money to get him into rehab.
So thank God he's sober and doing better now.
The other was I saw a lot of people who no longer were there for the right reasons.
I can't talk a lot about the programs that I was involved in, but the upshot is that they were lying to the White House and the NSC and the oversight committees about how successful we were being at certain things.
And I was like, you guys, this is incorrect.
And they basically just told me to go F myself, right?
So after a while, you were baptized as I was, born and raised in rural America.
My family loved the country and I have cousins who joined the military and all that.
So joining the CIA was an extension of that.
So you would have thought, as I did for many years, that everybody would want to remain
committed to the mission, to the country.
But then I got to this level where I'm involved in various programs and I'm watching them
lie to our elected leaders, which I don't know in hindsight how naive of me not to think
that some of my colleagues would lie to protect themselves so they could get promoted, right?
But it was so disheartening that I was like, I'm not going to spend another 20 years of my life around these people who aren't here for the right reason.
I'm out.
I'm done.
daniel turner
So do you think, does the CIA have a little bit of an Enron problem, where the numbers are inflated, but everyone likes the cons of the result, and so they're like, yeah, this is great.
bryan dean wright
Insider knowledge here.
Every two years or so, people rotate out of positions.
So you want to be able, in your evaluation, you want people to say, oh, things were better than when you got here.
Nobody wants to say, hey, when I got into this position, I actually did a little bit of scrubbing, and this is a bunch of bullshit.
The programs that we're telling the downtown, that is to say the White House and Congress that are all great, actually they're garbage.
Nobody wants to be that guy.
So everybody waits two years and then leaves.
So everybody kicks this corrupt can down the road.
And so that's what's happening inside the agency to this day.
ian crossland
So, term limits for administrative state.
This has been brought up to me multiple times, and I'm a fan.
What you're saying absolutely solidifies my belief in that.
If they're waiting two years to get into promotion, and they'll just say whatever they need to say, I mean, that's the deepest, darkest crap.
bryan dean wright
So I don't know what the solution is other than you've got to have more sunshine into those kinds of systems and you have to have people you know raise their hand to the inspectors general etc to say hey there's an issue.
But ultimately this is about the House and the Senate the oversight committees and their staffs knowing what questions to ask and holding the people in power to account.
And that's true with the FBI too.
That's what has failed over these past number of years with all these FBI agents who did this ridiculous crap in Michigan, you know, setting those guys up.
We saw it with guys like John Brennan, who knew damn well that there was no Trump-Russia collusion.
But he left the agency and he went around the country for two years saying it was all but true, if not absolutely true.
And he knew it wasn't!
ian crossland
I knew.
Oh, James Clapper as well.
Sorry to cut you off there.
bryan dean wright
Yet another one.
ian crossland
Clapper with when they're talking about the PRISM spying network that they had uncovered and asked if they'd been spying on American people.
His response was not wittingly, knowing full well, yes, you have been spying on the American people.
tim pool
They built a big station, like a big building in the middle of nowhere to do it.
ian crossland
Under oath, he perjured himself.
Congress did nothing.
bryan dean wright
Here's what the deep state is.
I'm going to give you an example.
A guy named Aldrich Ames.
He was a CIA officer back in the 1990s.
And he decided he was going to spy for the Soviet Union.
And so he did.
And then he was caught by the FBI.
And they asked him, Aldrich, why'd you do it?
And he said, because I know what's best for this country and its national security, and I'm going to act on it.
So the Deep State are these people who have profound powers who decide that based on their own politics, their own beliefs, they're going to do whatever the hell they want to do, irrespective of the law, and then they get away with it.
ian crossland
So it was like a corporate governance basically that got built in 1946?
Is that right after World War II?
Eisenhower basically put this thing together?
bryan dean wright
That's the upshot, yeah.
Through the Second World War, there was something called the OSS, that was kind of the External Intelligence Service, and then obviously the FBI preceded that.
But yeah, it was this... There was a need for foreign intelligence to understand what our adversaries are doing and to get ahead of that, right?
So I get the need, and that remains.
But the problem is, when you give people any human power, some percentage of them are going to abuse it.
And the more power that you give them, At some level, you're going to have more and more people who abuse it.
It's just the nature of humanity.
So how do you bridle that?
How do you manage it?
And there are different people who answer that in different ways.
Maybe you don't do it at all because it's just too risky.
So you get rid of the CIA altogether, or you manage it better.
daniel turner
I always wonder if the deep state is the, and correct me, the organization itself is so big and so well entrenched that by the time there's a new president and they switch out John Podesta for, who's the guy now?
Bill Burr?
Bill Burr's the comedian. Yeah, hopefully it'll be Bill Burr.
That would be fun.
Bill Byrne, right? I mean by the time you swap these people out, it doesn't
matter who's at the top. Like I'm doing my thing and you know he doesn't know I
exist. I know who he is just to stay out of his hair. Is there some truth to the
fact that the apparatus is so big that the people at the top they rotate and no
bryan dean wright
That's absolutely true, and this gets back to the point that was made about whether it be term limits, even in your bureaucracy, your mid-level guys, or it's just a size issue.
You've just expanded the state in the past 20, 30 years to such an extent that there are so many people who have so many entrenched interests that A, it slows down your mission, But then, B, you get more and more people who can do more and more damage to your country because you give them such expansive powers.
So I'm a big fan of actually reducing, not just the size of government, generally speaking, which it's true, but specifically the deep states at work, the agency, the FBI.
tim pool
I certainly think the administrative state, the deep state, whatever you want to call it, is a serious problem.
But what about the argument, and I'm not saying it's a good argument, I'm just saying this is the argument made, that if we curtail our powers internationally and domestically, China will take over and then we'll be living in a unipolar Chinese superpower, you know, planet.
bryan dean wright
So here's the deal.
CIA ain't going to stop China.
The CIA and the FBI are not going to stop China.
The FBI starts at least 10 cases every day against China right now.
We have over 100,000 Chinese nationals who come into this country every year.
So the issue isn't... it is like a dam that is bursting.
We're trying to put our finger in it to stop it.
You have good leadership within the White House and the House and the Senate that understands that China is a threat and starts treating them as such.
The spies ain't gonna fix this one.
The FBI ain't gonna fix this.
They just won't.
So we don't need to expand the administrative state to fix this problem.
It's a political problem.
You have to understand that China hates us.
They're trying to destroy us.
We are their enemies.
And so you start changing that relationship.
So for instance, you take your damn economy out of China.
tim pool
Do you think Trump could have stopped China?
bryan dean wright
I think he tried with his trade deal.
I mean, he basically said, look, you guys start buying more of our stuff because you're stealing our stuff, right?
So that's the thing that right now people are forgetting.
Biden is actually thinking about getting rid of the tariffs.
But Trump actually said, look, no, the tariffs ultimately are about saying to the Chinese, you still steal billions of dollars of our economy, our intellectual property every year.
So you're going to start paying more to these tariffs or it's a penalty.
Right.
So now Biden's going to get rid of him.
Well, then what lesson have the Chinese learned?
They can keep stealing our stuff.
tim pool
So my question, I suppose, was if Trump was working towards ending this expanding dominance of the Chinese economy and taking of our infrastructure, our manufacturing, things like that, I should say, our economic infrastructure, and the spies weren't able to stop it, but they were able to stop Trump, they've effectively propped up China.
They've secured our doom on the global stage.
daniel turner
Yeah.
ian crossland
I will point out it's not China, though.
It is the CCP, the occupying force of that land.
The actual government of China is the Republic of China, located in Taiwan, and they are in very good terms with us right now.
tim pool
Ian, you are right.
ian crossland
Thank you, sir.
daniel turner
What would the deep state say if China unleashed this, let's just call it a virus, and it went worldwide?
Would there be penalties?
ian crossland
I think the Chinese people are men they're they're stuck under that
totalitarian occupying force for real right now and now like see tommy's but
daniel turner
but removing the economy from China we saw during kovat how 90 95% of our
pharmaceutical is is based in China nothing has been done to change that
Now we look at similar geopolitics.
We look at Ukraine and we say, boy, this was really bad that we import 60% of our fertilizer from Russia.
Nothing will change about that.
We used to produce our own pharmaceuticals.
We used to produce our own fertilizer.
The whole Gulf Coast was where we got them.
Why did we ever move these industries overseas?
And show me one person in the Senate and there are lots of Pro-America, I hate China, I hate Russia's senators, and they're all on the right.
Show me one of them who is making a concerted effort to say, I don't care what the global market says, AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Merck, you know, fertilizer, all of you have to come back to America because there is a geopolitical and national security risk to having these critical... You want to get your olive oil from Italy?
That's great.
Get your cheese from France, totally cool.
But your fertilizer can't be made by your enemy, nor can your aspirin.
But there is not one serious piece of legislation to bring, or movement, to bring all these things back to America.
None whatsoever.
We'll just watch China do it again and say, wow, that was really bad, but, you know, thanks for my iPhone.
tim pool
So this is, maybe I'm just, to be honest, a surface-level dude.
I'm sitting here, reading the internet, thinking I know so much about, you know, geopolitics and international conflict.
and i assume this probably some cia or fbi guy said it is in his in his office was classed information
just laugh and being a lot of only you really knew
maybe that's the case i hope but but i i i do i do i want to believe that right
exactly i want to believe
they're sitting there saying like here's why we had to do what we did because we
are concerned about china taking over
We are concerned about these Uyghur camps.
We're concerned about the Belt and Road Initiative.
We're concerned about oil exploration in South America.
But really what it feels like is Trump derangement syndrome went viral within these agencies.
Trump actually was doing things that were good on foreign policy.
And they stopped him.
They stopped him.
And that's the problem of the deep state, the administrative state.
You know what the media tries to do?
They try to make you think the deep state is a cabal of people who meet below D.C.
with robes on and have like a pentagram on the ceiling.
No, it's just that people who get jobs... That's Hollywood.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
That's Hollywood.
tim pool
What it actually is, that's why Ian brought up administrative state.
J. Edgar Hoover, man.
It's people who don't get fired.
J. Edgar Hoover was the head of the FBI for 48 years.
between a bunch of different presidents and you know Obama gets elected he sits
down and they say here's what's happening and here's our plan and the
president goes okay I guess and so they just do whatever they want as long as
ian crossland
they want. J Edgar Hoover was the head of the FBI for 48 years 47 some years like
he ran the country He was running the country.
47 years he was the head of the FBI.
I mean, I've never been in the FBI, but I mean, what's the power?
I would imagine that power level is immense.
bryan dean wright
Amen.
So, particularly without going into the history of the FBI, he absolutely decided the political winners and losers of this country.
And that's really what happened during the 2020 and 2016 election, particularly 2016 with Hillary Clinton and Trump, right?
So, after Trump was elected, you had a bunch of former CIA and FBI officials, James Comey, leaking classified information to force the appointment of a special counsel.
tim pool
Holy crap!
bryan dean wright
This is one man, an FBI director, who decided that Trump should not be in power, not because there was actual data or information that said we had a problem, but he just didn't like the guy.
So he goes to the New York Times, leaks it in order to get Bob Mueller.
That is J. Edgar Hoover level stuff.
And we haven't seen that in a long, long time.
I foolishly believed that those dark days were over, but that showed me that it ain't gone.
There are still absolutely people in positions without authority and power who still do this J. Edgar Hoover stuff.
tim pool
The Sussman trial stuff is crazy.
We had Kash Patel in the other day and it's just shocking.
The FBI knew it was bunk almost immediately.
You had apparently one guy testified that Hillary Clinton knew and signed off on the Russiagate narrative fabrication.
daniel turner
Wow.
The agent, Sussman himself, who lied on the FISA warrant to get the FISA, that's the same guy.
It is the same level of corruption and negligence and evil and dereliction of duty On a different level, but it's the same idea as the 19 guys in Texas who stood in the hallway and listened to the gunshots.
This is exactly what your mission is, and you're like, yeah, but I'm not gonna do it.
Like, you know this is a lie, yeah, but I'm not gonna do it.
Like, you know what your job is right now, and the oath you have taken, yeah, I'm gonna do the opposite.
bryan dean wright
You know, I'll tell you one piece that in the last couple weeks I did on my podcast and talked a lot about that doesn't, I think, get enough attention.
107,000 people last year died because of fentanyl or drug overdoses.
Most of them of the 107,000 were fentanyl.
The point is most of that comes from China.
Those are precursor chemicals that come from China.
China knows these companies that are producing it.
They know that they in turn are dealing with Mexican cartel members.
And it's then all feeding into this country.
China is killing a hundred plus thousand of our people.
Why are we not like outraged that the communist government in Beijing is doing this in concert and collaboration with Mexican cartels?
It is just, it should be getting far more attention certainly than even Ukraine.
I mean as much as that Absolutely runs the risk of World War III, and I think we can talk about that as well, because I think we're getting there.
That issue of dead Americans in this country, especially in rural America, is so real and so painful for me personally, but for so many others, it deserves more of our attention.
daniel turner
And that's why, because it's rural America, and we were saying to this before the show started, if the overdoses from fentanyl and Chinese opioids were Upper East Side collegiates, this would have been stopped by now.
But it's mostly rural, mostly poor, mostly hillbilly whites, and we don't really care.
ian crossland
They targeted the farmers.
daniel turner
It's just exactly it is not a population the American government care about because they don't like them
Even their own their own representatives don't like them look for any
Liberal who represents a rural state who's running for office even they are ashamed of their constituency
bryan dean wright
They don't care But I'm gonna tell you right now in Pima County, Arizona
where I am from If you were a kid the thing that's gonna get you in terms
of the thing that's gonna kill you is fentanyl right now It's not car accidents.
It is fentanyl.
And Pima County is not a rural, you know, white hillbilly area.
You are right.
The preponderance is absolute.
That is true.
But it's hitting communities in lots of parts of this country.
Black, brown, it doesn't matter.
It is hitting our young people most especially because that shit, pardon my language, is mixed up with weed or with other stuff.
And they're like, hey, let's experiment.
Let's try and have a good time.
And then they end up dead because there's just such tiny amounts of that that they end up killing.
ian crossland
I find it to be an extension of the opium wars.
Apparently, this is when the British and other Europeans were shuffling opium into China.
They were basically colonizing China in the mid-1800s, and they were like, we're going to wreck their population, make them incapable of fighting, and then we're going to conquer it and take it as another colony, like what they did with India.
But the Chinese eventually fought back and pushed them back to the coast and off and into Taiwan or Hong Kong or these islands.
But it never ended for them.
They play the long game.
Any wise regime thinks hundreds of years in the future and will never forget what people are capable of.
And that's what they're doing.
They're sending it into Mexico, like you said, with the cartels, using them to run it up into the country.
They're destabilizing our youth.
You see it in the dysphoria movement.
You see it in the shootings.
And the pharmaceutical companies seem to be capitalizing on it.
They've actually created medical fentanyl.
You can, I mean, I don't know who's in charge.
Is it AstraZeneca?
Who actually prints this stuff?
This stuff they're working, colluding with the CCP?
tim pool
I want to talk to you guys about guns.
Because I had this tweet this Friday, so I want to talk about my tweet.
I tweeted, the government should provide all 16-year-olds with a free AR-15 after they pass firearm ed in high school.
If you haven't, then once you turn 18, you should be entitled to one free AR-15 from the government after passing a general knowledge test at the Department of Gun Services.
Demand universal gun ownership now, call your member of Congress, and demand they pass this legislation.
A lot of people said that I was trolling.
I'm not.
My point was that I saw all these memes from the left where they said we should treat guns like we treat cars.
And I was like, you think that goes only one way?
They post these memes where they're like, gotta get a license, gotta get insurance, gotta register the gun, all of that stuff.
And I was like, okay, I can use that same argument and go the other direction.
We allow 16-year-olds to drive cars.
Okay, so 16-year-olds should get guns.
We also have gun rights in the Constitution.
So you want to argue for universal health care?
I'll argue for my universal demand as well.
Government should pay for my guns.
But let me tell you where the juicy part of the tweet is at.
Karl Marx said, under no pretext should workers surrender their arms and ammunition.
The true leftist position on guns should be an armed workforce and the government providing guns to the people.
It's just simple logic.
Karl Marx, right?
He said, never surrender your arms and ammunition.
Well, if you're a socialist, you don't think capital is going to fund the creation of these guns, do you?
It's going to be the government and they're going to provide it.
bryan dean wright
Tim, did AOC retweet this?
Is that what I'm seeing?
unidentified
Did she like and retweet this?
No.
bryan dean wright
That's strange.
tim pool
Why not?
ian crossland
I think the only problem I have with this tweet is that I don't think getting your gun from the government is the best thing because if they really want to conquer you, they'll make the gun have a defect and then give it to you.
And they know how to exploit the defect in the weapon.
tim pool
I'm not saying the only place to get the gun.
I'm saying you get a free one.
So it's a net positive.
and you gotta get you you probably wanna get it checked out but universal gun ownership
they want argue for universal health care on my coca cool well they say health care is a human right
i say gun ownership is a human right right okay well then the government can
pay for give everybody guns area any objections now
ian crossland
all right there is a little right to own does not dictate a right to receive
well of course i'd okay Sorry for the logic.
daniel turner
I think my only question is, at the 30,000 foot level, what are we considering the age of adulthood?
So if it's 16, and I know you can drive at 16.
Some places in rural, you can get your farmer's license to drive a heavy equipment at 14.
You can't go on the road, but you can drive a $500,000 combine, right?
It's pretty awesome.
There's another movement, though, to move the gun ownership age to 21.
And I have a problem with voting at a certain age, but voting on something that you cannot fully own and free society at another age.
I don't want to be able to vote at 18, but I can't own something until I'm 21.
There's the movement, as you were saying, to vote.
It's 16.
So 16-year-olds are going to make law or vote for laws, but I can't fully participate in that law for five more years.
So if we're going to have a real equitable society, to use their words, then if you have the right to vote on something, you must have the ability to have full participation in that.
Agreed.
So if we're going to make the voting age 16, then the gun age is 16, but then the draft is 16.
But I don't want my 16-year-old sending my 21-year-olds to war, telling the 18-year-olds they can't have a cigarette, a beer, or a gun.
So something is wrong.
If we're going to say the age of adulthood now is 21, and we are a very immature society, then it's 21 across the board.
tim pool
I have a darker interpretation of their desire for a 16-year-old voting age.
daniel turner
Well, they're stupid.
No offense to them.
tim pool
It's not just stupidity.
If you're an adult at 16, that means you can do more than vote.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
It's a slippery slope.
Because at what point can you have sex with a 35-year-old, you know, 16 now?
unidentified
What are they trying to do?
tim pool
This is why when they try and lower the age of adulthood in a variety of ways, I'm kind of like, what are you really doing?
When you look at what's going on in these schools, you know, the grooming, and I see these memes from these liberals on Facebook where they desperately try to conflate the grooming argument with banning books, and it's just like, I see this meme and it's, you know, they want to ban books, and there's like an old man with a mug hat yelling, and I was like, I think they were concerned about the graphic depictions of adult activities in those books that were available to children.
If you're defending that, and you're doing it out of ignorance, or it's willful, then either way, the outcome is the same.
When you come out and then say, kids should be, you know, participating in governance at 16, it's like, you're creating a threshold for which we reduce the age of adulthood.
Look, I don't know if 18, you know, where that number comes about, because it certainly 200 years ago was, you know, you were 13, you were considered a man or whatever.
I don't know if I agree with that.
18 kind of feels okay.
You know, gun ownership and all these things.
You can be under 18 and have a gun if your parents take responsibility for it in most places.
Like in Wisconsin and stuff like that.
bryan dean wright
I mean, growing up, family farm, we hunted from when I was a very young boy, but that was part of our culture.
We were taught how to use a firearm, respect a firearm.
And so it's this idea that a 16-year-old couldn't or a 14-year-old couldn't use a firearm and be taught how to use it thoughtfully.
It's bizarre to me because I grew up in that culture.
lydia smith
Yeah, so I was shooting from the time I was like 10 years old.
My dad took us.
We had like a little shooting range in our back 40.
Probably not really on par with what the law wanted, but my dad taught us how to use it.
He taught us how to be safe with it.
He said, I'll give you a dollar if you ever see the end of this gun while I'm holding it.
And of course, he'd never gave us a dollar because we never saw it and we understood how important that was.
But somebody on Twitter earlier today, I forget who it was, I'm sorry, tweeted, how many of these mass shooters were young boys raised by fathers who taught them how to hunt?
It's a very valid question.
I don't think any of them ever have been.
tim pool
They have no dads.
lydia smith
Of course not.
Yeah, it's very sad.
bryan dean wright
So that's why when I, days after these shootings, and we hear Congress stand up and say we need to pass this law or that law, this is the stuff, this is the conversation that we need to have as a country.
Understanding who these individuals are, their families, the dynamics, the health, you know, mental health, all that.
Because you are so right, and whoever tweeted that, bravo to them, because that's spot on.
lydia smith
Yeah, and I remember thinking, I actually had this conversation before I left the healthcare field with one of my co-workers, and his dad wasn't really involved in his life, and there was a shooting, and I was like, this is terrible, but man, I think one of the things that all of these shooters have in common is that they don't have dads, and he's like, What?
That's weird.
I really have to think about that.
He's like, that's a super hot take.
I'm like, I think it's true.
Sorry.
I'm afraid.
tim pool
It's a couple of things.
It's a dad to sit down with you and say, son, you need to understand responsibility and what it means to have obligations to your community.
And it's also the moment when the dad bops you on the head and said, that was dumb.
unidentified
What are you doing?
lydia smith
I'm being stupid.
tim pool
He's a strong leader.
ian crossland
A dad to be like, how are you feeling?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Are you okay?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Maybe like a dad who's got long hair and is like a hippie with a bunch of crystals.
unidentified
Yeah, maybe he used to smoke weed in his 20s.
bryan dean wright
The point here is that I think that this conversation is just as valid as, hey, what about magazine limitations?
What about the type of weapon?
Or what about the age that we should give children?
I think this conversation is just as important, if not more important.
But you hear also oftentimes from the left, they will say, oh, here the right, you know, here the conservatives go again talking about family issues and about, you know, knock it off.
Come on.
It's absolutely, it should be part of the conversation.
tim pool
We should have a magazine limit.
I really do think so.
We should limit them to, they cannot be lower than 30.
daniel turner
At least yeah We're gonna look at society for the last four generations
or so so from like the baby boomers on and we're gonna say that gun violence
Guns school shootings are are the now the anomaly. Well, we have to look at that in context, right?
And that's just all they want to look at.
It's like, wow, suddenly gun... there are incidents of shootings at schools, therefore it's a gun problem.
But what else is happening concurrently, right?
I mean, you can't just take one statistic and then isolate it.
And when you look at everything else that's happening, Clearly fatherlessness is a huge problem.
Sexual perversion is a huge problem.
What I love about Libs of TikTok, which is why they got banned from Twitter, is I just wish you would find some liberal teachers who are so enthusiastic about math and science as they are about their genitals.
These teachers make non-stop videos about telling their kids, and I told my girl, and it's like, Do you ever talk to them about reading, right?
So if you look at, again, all these millions of statistics of five generations, you can't just look at the shootings and say, wow, that's an anomaly.
It's a gun problem.
There's lots of other things that are spiking.
And if you say that, well, they're not happening, there's no correlation, then you're just a liar or you're politically motivated.
Either the sexual perversion stuff is a huge problem.
You mentioned the grooming stuff.
I mean, we have hardcore drag shows in children's second grade classroom, and we're supposed to pretend this is normal?
Quite frankly, and this is gonna sound hard, and I don't want it to come out the wrong way, I'm surprised there are not more school shootings, because our kids are so messed up in the head.
They're told boys can get pregnant, they have tampons in their bathroom, they play on girls' teams.
These kids are so confused with everything.
And then their teachers don't even want to talk about English and math.
They want to talk about their dating lives.
And in case anyone out there starts to text, you do know I am married to a guy, right?
So I am technically in the community.
It's a community I hate.
It's alphabet soup that is degenerative, that drives me insane.
unidentified
But we have to talk about these things.
tim pool
The way the oppression Olympics go, you're out.
daniel turner
I'm not a good one, yeah.
tim pool
You're a white man.
daniel turner
But I mean, there's a role for me to play in this because you, a lot of people, you cis people can't have these conversations.
The cisgender people can't... You are cis.
Am I cis?
tim pool
Yes.
daniel turner
Oh crap, what does cis mean?
lydia smith
Not trans.
tim pool
Not trans.
So Ian and I... Oh good, I am cis.
daniel turner
I knew I was somewhat normal.
tim pool
What you mean to say is cis-het.
Yeah, not cisgender heteronormative.
You are not heteronormative.
bryan dean wright
None of those things are real.
daniel turner
I thought I was Irish.
bryan dean wright
Virtual reality.
All these different words.
I don't even know what they mean.
They don't even have meaning.
People create them.
tim pool
I got no problem with that.
That's how language evolves, yeah.
Yeah, language evolves.
If a group of people are like, if someone isn't trans, what are they?
They call it cis, it's like a math thing.
I'm like, yo, I literally don't care what words you use as long as we're effectively conveying ideas to each other.
lydia smith
Are we?
tim pool
But the problem is it's not just the creation of new words, it's the corruption of existing words.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
Like racism, right?
That's been a huge problem for a long time as to what racism really means.
Now, people can come out and say, cis and trans and whatever, and I'm like, as long as I understand you, we can have a conversation.
But we don't understand each other anymore.
daniel turner
Ricky Gervais is being cancelled from Netflix because of his transphobic jokes.
They're not transphobic!
There are jokes about trans people!
There are jokes about Polish people!
There are jokes about Catholics!
tim pool
But he didn't get booted, did he?
daniel turner
Well, they were threatening to, you know, pull him.
I'm sure Netflix can't afford to have any more problems.
tim pool
No, Netflix fired their diversity people.
I'm pretty sure he's safe.
ian crossland
He's safe.
lydia smith
I hope so.
daniel turner
But I mean, it's not a transphobic joke.
It's a joke about trans people.
And if you're getting made fun of, welcome to the friggin' club, you know?
It's like, I remember talking to a Mormon when Book of Mormon came out and he was saying that he found a very offensive Book of Mormon.
I was like, as a Catholic, let me tell you, it's about damn time someone else's religion was made fun of by mainstream Culture so welcome to welcome to being like everyone else.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, that's what that's what he said Ricky Gervais said he thinks trans people should have rights and be treated like everyone else and that's why he's gonna make fun of boom That he's like, that's what true equality is it is it means if everybody is equal then everybody is fair game for for being my I talked about this a little bit on Pop Culture Crisis a couple days ago.
ian crossland
ago, we were talking like if someone like if a soldier loses a limb in the
military in the war or something, you don't like haha, you losing your you
like you don't smash people for what they what they don't have. But it may
be people feel like that.
They're like, I'm not normal.
So you're making fun of my non normalcy.
And that's really like getting me where I can't defend myself.
I get that.
But at the same, I don't like like, make be making other people the butt of my jokes.
I kind of stopped doing that just in general.
bryan dean wright
Although, you know, one of the things if I can, so I have hung out with a ton of guys in the military who have lost arms and legs because of Iraq and Afghanistan.
And I've also hung out with tons of guys who are in the military and they're gay, or we have lesbian service members, whatever it may be.
The way that you know that you are in with that group is when somebody makes a crack at you.
lydia smith
That's right.
bryan dean wright
I was with about 15 guys at a black rifle coffee company.
Most of those guys that they hire have lost limbs.
They, uh, some of those guys, when they walk in, you know, they'll be like, their legs, their arms are really loud and noisy because they're half fucking robots, right?
The point is they will make fun of each other about like, Hey, quiet down, man.
You're rude.
We're trying to have a conversation, bro.
And he's like, sorry, it's my knee.
But they'll give each other a hard time.
And it's this beautiful moment of, like, you know that you are in a family, a brotherhood, by just telling good jokes about each other.
tim pool
There's a really great Wojak meme where it's a guy is leaving, and he's like, see you later, dickheads.
And they're like, screw off, you know, a-hole.
And then it's like, F you.
And then as soon as he's gone, they're like, that's a cool dude.
unidentified
He's great.
tim pool
Then it shows the women.
And the woman's like, bye, honey.
Love you.
You're so sweet.
See you soon.
And then as soon as she's gone, what a bitch.
lydia smith
That's true, yeah.
That's why I have fewer females friends, I think.
But I wanted to say, too, that it does feel great when somebody makes a joke with you about something that maybe you can't even change, that you're just like, oh yeah, that's actually pretty funny.
And I feel now like I'm part of your in-group.
It's very valuable.
ian crossland
It's an important part of human... So much of it... Oh, sorry to interrupt there at the end.
unidentified
No, you're good.
lydia smith
Carry on.
ian crossland
Capitalize on what you were saying.
It's the delivery.
Like, if you can deliver it in an emotionally, in a loving way, then it's received in a loving way.
But when it's in text, no one comments.
And they'll take Gervais' jokes and they'll put them in text and be like, look how horrible.
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah.
And the performance has a full arc.
How did he get to that point?
There was a segue.
They cut all that out and they just take the sentence and they're like... But I just love how all the hit pieces against Ricky Gervais are literally what he was complaining about.
He was actually talking about the woke cancel culture and how they're demanding special privileges because they don't want to be made fun of, but he was like, but everybody is equal so we're all gonna be made fun of.
And then they write articles saying he's a transphobe and he's violent and he's dangerous.
Absolutely absurd.
daniel turner
Yeah, but I mean the alphabet soup, which is really run by just communists, like all minority groups in activism right now, you can't have it both ways.
You can't say this immutable characteristic makes us so special and so unique and so different that we have to celebrate it, but we also want to get treated like everybody else.
If you want to get treated like everybody else, that stinks.
Because when you're treated like everybody else, you're standing in line.
We all want Emerald Club status at the airport so that we can bypass all the lines and we can have a fancy drink.
But equality is not fun.
So the Alphabet 2 people, we want our special... And God, it's almost June 1, and then I have a whole freaking month.
tim pool
Don't worry, don't worry.
unidentified
Flip your Ukraine flag and put up your rainbow flag.
tim pool
Just unfollow all the brands and follow the Saudi Arabian ones and you're good.
ian crossland
You said something earlier, Daniel, I thought was really interesting where you said you were almost surprised that there weren't more shootings.
daniel turner
I am.
ian crossland
I don't want to take away too much from where we were headed with the jokes and Ricky Gervais, because I love this conversation, but I've had that same thought.
But then I'm thinking about people driving on the road and how so many people drive past each other all day on the road over and over, these hundreds of miles, 140 miles difference, 70-70.
And they don't hit each other because they don't want to.
And most people don't want to hurt each other.
It's very, very, very rare.
And it's more of an aberration on these kids that's causing it.
I'm actually not surprised that they're trying.
People don't want that.
That's like a desperation tactic.
tim pool
It can reach a point.
So, uh, Northern Ireland, for instance.
I remember I was getting a tour of Northern Ireland and there's like a memorial for when, you know, a group of guys went and shot and killed another group of guys.
And, you know, on one side of town they're like, these guys were heroes, and other side of town like, these guys were villains.
And it's just like there was no reason to do that.
They didn't earn or gain anything.
It was just pure tribalism.
You can look at the literal tribalism with, you know, what we've seen in Africa where one day one tribe goes out and starts beating and killing the other tribe for almost no reason.
Just the hatred within them.
When you start to see some of these tweets where there was one guy who said, I wish all Republicans get cancer and die excruciating deaths.
It's getting scary.
It's getting to this point where, you know, you turn on the TV and you know MSNBC is not even trying to talk to you.
But I mean, even we do it.
We know there's a group of people who don't care to watch us or even listen to what we have to say.
So we just eventually tune them out.
But this creates separate spaces, which which is ripe for, you know, developing a hatred more and more for the opponent, for the other.
daniel turner
And that's the problem with with a lot of our elected leaders and You know, Biden is president right now.
So you can say, well, you tell me Trump was president.
That's a hypothetical.
Biden is president.
And he had his moment after this shooting to say something.
And what he chose was nothing but division and attacking his political enemies.
He did not offer the slightest sense of healing of sorrow.
He didn't even evoke the names and memories of these kids and talk
about, you know, just an evil in society.
He talked about the NRA and he talked about Republicans who won't pass comments.
He resurrected 40 year old talking points.
It might've been the election of 1976.
Right.
And so I agree with you.
You know, we are falling into these rival camps, but if our leaders don't start.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet thread from Zach Seward, who is the Editor-in-Chief at Quartz, who posted one of the most deceptive, falsely framed articles I've ever seen.
daniel turner
Such a lie.
tim pool
It's a really good example of the problems we face.
Before I start this by criticizing the mainstream media for lying to you, I want to point out that there absolutely are conspiracy theorists and lunatics and cult members on the right.
They exist, but they're not VC-funded.
They don't have investors who are giving them all of this money.
There are some small right-wing outlets, conservative outlets, that do get funding, but they're not nearly as bad as this.
They wrote a story.
We ordered the same gun used in Yuvaldi.
Here's how easy it was.
He says it was just like ordering groceries.
Click, checkout, done.
He's getting roasted for this.
lydia smith
Seriously.
tim pool
Because while in the piece it does mention you have to go through a background check and all that stuff, the way they frame it is incredible.
Take a look at this.
He says, That will happen when we pick up the gun at our local licensed dealer.
or of a clean criminal record, both of which are legally required to buy a firearm.
That will happen when we pick up the gun at our local licensed dealer.
The headline is everything.
Here's how easy it was.
They're trying to convince you, not only that, but he goes on to say it was an assault rifle.
He says, some people don't know how easy it is to go online and buy an assault rifle.
He didn't buy one though.
He did not buy an assault rifle.
It's just a misrepresentation.
And this is what leads people who are traditional liberal or trusting of the news into believing wrong information.
bryan dean wright
So what this tells me is he's not actually interested in having a thoughtful conversation.
It's about an agenda, right?
So very clearly this is about creating this drumbeat, this hysteria to ban not just this gun, but really all guns, right?
So it's a war then on guns.
And if in fact that's the idea, then the question becomes, particularly from that outlet that we know as a lefty outlet, Why do they want to remove all guns?
Is it really just about trying to save the kids in school?
I'm not so sure that's true.
I think most people would say there's probably another agenda here.
So that kind of headline, by the way, we know that Americans rarely read down into an article.
I think that is around 60 or 70% of people only read the headline.
And then the remainder of that is only the first paragraph.
So I think 3 or 5% of people actually read the whole story.
So these folks know that.
tim pool
I want to give a shout out to a journalist.
This is a story I did, I covered just almost three years ago.
lydia smith
I remember this.
tim pool
From Business Insider.
This journalist wrote, I tried to buy a gun at Walmart twice and roadblocks left me empty handed both times.
This was actually a good story.
And I give credit to this journalist.
She had, you know, misconceptions about what buying a gun was like.
She went to a Walmart and said, I'm gonna see what happens.
And when she got roadblocked, she wrote that she was.
unidentified
Good for her.
tim pool
This is like one of the biggest segments I've ever done.
It's got 2.7 million views.
I'm surprised.
But, you know, I didn't criticize her and mock her.
I was like, this is great.
A reporter actually decided to investigate what it's like to get guns because they weren't familiar with it.
And they were honest with their audience about not being able to buy one.
That's the reality.
daniel turner
Yeah.
The shocking thing about Quartz is that there are two dozen outlets just like that, right?
Between Quartz and Axios and Mother Jones and you just go on and on and on and they're all the same and they're all funded by basically the same venture capitalist Lefty ideologue billionaires.
They all have the same agenda.
They're all intermarried, which is weird.
They all know each other.
Kind of like the one thought is who the leaker is of the Supreme Court document when went through of who's married to who and who was a bridesmaid at who's wedding.
They all know each other.
tim pool
It's a cast system.
daniel turner
There are very few outlets on the right of this side.
There are a couple, right?
We know them.
The Beacon, The Daily Caller, they're great publications, but they're paltry in number compared to the left.
tim pool
And you look at the funding that goes into these left-wing Democrat publications, hundreds of millions of dollars, and then you look at right-wing publications who sometimes get some funding, but not really.
ian crossland
What was that CIA program where they were working directly with media?
tim pool
Was that Mockingbird?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think it is.
tim pool
There's two of them, I'm pretty sure.
bryan dean wright
I thought you were going to ask me about the time that we operated on the cat, and the cat was going to be actually a listening device.
ian crossland
Did it survive?
bryan dean wright
That's another one.
unidentified
Is that true?
ian crossland
That's a real thing.
bryan dean wright
That is true.
lydia smith
They tried.
bryan dean wright
We did that.
ian crossland
People love cats.
bryan dean wright
I'm sorry.
They let everybody love cats.
I'm so sorry.
tim pool
They tried, like, implanting a microphone in the cat?
unidentified
Yes!
bryan dean wright
So this is what they did.
They actually put the listening device in the ear, and then they used the antenna, and they built another part in the back, kind of in between the shoulders.
And what they did is they took the cat, because, hey, it's just a cat.
It's innocuous.
And they took the cat, and they set it next to two gentlemen to test it on a park bench.
lydia smith
I know what happened, I think.
bryan dean wright
And unfortunately, Kitty Kitty did not stay there.
lydia smith
Of course not!
bryan dean wright
To listen.
Cats do what cats do.
So the cat ran, unfortunately, in front of a taxi cab.
lydia smith
Oh no!
bryan dean wright
Oh my gosh!
ian crossland
Cat didn't want to be part of it.
lydia smith
Nope.
bryan dean wright
Good for the cat.
unidentified
The cat survived.
ian crossland
The cat did the ultimate sacrifice.
tim pool
You can't force a cat to join the Deep State.
No, you can't.
unidentified
Cats are individuals.
ian crossland
But speaking of Mockingbird, which I brought up, What the heck?
This is from 1948?
I mean, this has been going on for a long time.
The CIA basically right after formation was like, we got to control the media.
tim pool
It's not just Mockingbird.
We talked about this with Luke Radkowski of We Are Change.
There was something that happened in the 70s where a senator, I think, came out and said the CIA is working directly at these news outlets.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know if it was Mockingbird.
bryan dean wright
Well, so there was a huge dust-up throughout the 70s where basically the House and the Senate were like, you guys are doing way too much in the CIA.
And they had committee hearings.
Frank Church was one of the Senators, he's from Idaho.
And there were others, they looked into this, and the CIA director, they called him on the carpet, both overtly, that is to say out in public, and behind the curtain.
And like you guys are killing way too many people without authorization and y'all a bunch of cowboys.
And some of these programs that you're talking about were part of that conversation that we need to rein you in because we've given you too much power and y'all are abusing it.
And it's not just you the CIA, it's the president and all the president's men as it were.
Who are like, hey, with the military we can't do certain things, but we can use this tool at the CIA and we can have them go kill various people or foment uprisings, etc.
Or yes, the media piece.
We can start to control and manipulate.
And so again, it gets back to this.
If you give people power, some percentage of them are going to abuse it.
But if you give them a whole bunch of power, it is game on in terms of your country.
And that's really, for me, in the past 5-10 years, has completely changed my understanding of giving so much power to the CIA or NSA or FBI.
They will abuse it.
They have abused it.
And we've got to pull that back, both in terms of the size and the authorities, because they have too much.
Still a lot of great people doing great work at those places, but you give them too much power and you're going to have these problems.
And our country's in trouble because of it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think a lot about the people because I speak a lot of crap about the administrative state and like how it's overblown.
But I think the people the other night I was like, I don't want to hurt these people like not that like the the horseback riders in 1902.
I mean, the automobile was coming.
They still lost their jobs.
Yeah.
I don't want to see these people lose their gigs, and the problem is when they're the ones that control the assassination attempts, anyone that's going to try and unseat them from their gig is a real threat.
It has a big like, yo, you don't want to anger people that control the button, like, basically, but...
If it is, I mean, you think we'd be better off without these organizations?
daniel turner
I think of the Fed in Michigan who's doing a covert op and he's on a chat room with some guy who's like, I hate Governor Whitman.
I think we should assassinate her.
And he's like, let's plan.
Let's plan the kidnapping, you know, and then they're having meetings.
And then all of a sudden, at no point we were like, wait a second, we're actually going to plan to kidnap the governor just to trap this one.
unidentified
Aren't we taking this a little too far, guys?
daniel turner
They're ordering vans, and someone's going to Hertz, and they're picking up rope, and it's like, I think we're getting a little too excited about kidnapping the governor, guys.
I know we want to catch this bad dude, but this is getting a little crazy.
So at what point does, yeah, when you said they need to be reined in, I think that's an example of reining it in.
And it kind of strikes me bizarre that no one in the hierarchy was like, I think you guys need to slow down the kidnapping plan.
This is a little crazy.
ian crossland
Would it look more like if it was raining in?
Would it be like, this NSA no longer exists?
What was the NSA form?
2000?
2001?
Was it after 9-11?
Or has it been around longer than that?
bryan dean wright
It's been around longer, but yeah, look, here's where I come down on this.
I think it's absolutely reasonable based on what we have seen over the past 10 plus years, certainly since the 2016 election.
It's reasonable for people to say the intelligence community has grown too big and too powerful, just like it did back in the 1970s.
We need to remove some of the authorities.
We need to have more oversight because we recognize that there might be a need for a collection of foreign intelligence to understand what our adversaries are doing.
Fine.
Or a domestic law enforcement capacity.
We need to find some bad guys here in the country.
Fine.
But it's gotten too big and there's too much power and we need to pull that back in.
And that happens after we have the House and the Senate.
If they actually functioned, they would do the investigations into that to figure out how bad the problem is.
And then we figure out how deeply we have to rein it in.
Absent a functional Congress, That's when the American media is supposed to do the work, do that investigative work to expose some of this stuff.
But when you have a media that is so in the tank for folks, particularly on the left, what's their incentive to actually get to the bottom of some of these abuses?
There's no outside function right now that's keeping power in check.
The House and the Senate?
Nope.
The President?
Nope.
Our media?
Nope.
That's the problem of this moment.
daniel turner
And I think it's compounded by the fact that, no offense, you all seem to be really bad at your job.
unidentified
I mean, in the sense that it's like... Well, not you, Brian.
daniel turner
Our intelligence shows that, you know, Afghanistan will stand on its own.
No.
Our intelligence shows that Kiev will fall within three days.
unidentified
No.
daniel turner
It's like our intelligence shows, like, do you guys have anything right?
Like, is there anything that is accurate?
bryan dean wright
Okay, so first of all, That's totally fair.
So on my podcast, President's Daily Brief, we covered this, we talked about this.
You as taxpayers are paying billions and billions of dollars to the intelligence community to act on your behalf.
You should be asking questions if they're falling short.
So that's fair.
tim pool
I want to pull up this article from Army Times.
Foreboding Army Psyops Recruitment Video Shows Who's Pulling the Strings.
A lot of people were bringing this up to us saying it was a really, really creepy video.
I want to play it.
It is a little long, but I've not seen it.
But Daniel was just bringing up that the CIA, the intelligence agencies, get so much wrong.
And I wonder, are they really getting it wrong, or are they just trying to manipulate you?
Perhaps you assume that they're a bunch of bumbling, slipping on banana peels, and maybe that's what they want you to think.
Because Sun Tzu had quotes about this, right?
When you're strong, make your enemy believe you are weak.
When you are weak, make your enemy believe you are strong.
So I've never seen this.
I don't know if we can play the full thing, but we'll play Ghosts in the Machine, a controversial psychological operations advertisement from the army.
If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him.
Pretend to be weak that he may grow arrogant.
lydia smith
You see?
tim pool
Sun Tzu.
Alright, this is getting pretty creepy by that guy.
bryan dean wright
Oh, clowns.
lydia smith
Strong start.
tim pool
Have you ever wondered?
unidentified
Who's pulling the strings?
No.
A world at war?
Hmm.
tim pool
Is that the emblem of the psychological operation of some a world at war
You will find us in the shadows Inspiring at the tip of the spear
unidentified
Threat rises in the East What the hell is this?
tim pool
Russia invades Ukraine.
daniel turner
Oh, it's pretty new.
unidentified
Yeah, it's very new.
tim pool
Yeah, this is from earlier this month.
Warfare is evolving.
bryan dean wright
Who put this out?
tim pool
Uh, this is 4th PSYOP group.
And all the world's a stage.
unidentified
Yo, this is creepy!
lydia smith
It's like a movie.
ian crossland
Shakespeare.
unidentified
There is another very important phase of warfare.
It has as its target, not the body, but the mind of the enemy.
The target of psychological warfare is against the enemy's mind.
It is words and ideas.
Ammunition used by cyborgs.
Anything we touch is a weapon.
We can deceive.
Persuade.
Change.
ian crossland
Influence.
unidentified
We can deceive, persuade, change, influence, inspire.
We come in many forms.
But the use of this force as an integral part of combat has now taken on new form.
tim pool
We are everywhere.
ian crossland
That's what they want you to think.
unidentified
A feeling in the dark.
A feeling in the dark.
tim pool
A message in the stars.
unidentified
Ghosts in the machine.
you What are we?
tim pool
Psywar.
lydia smith
What the heck?
unidentified
What is this?
tim pool
Is this really it?
daniel turner
Who put that together?
tim pool
Army Psyops recruitment video.
That's what they're saying.
lydia smith
Really?
unidentified
I don't want to fact check that.
daniel turner
That's interesting.
bryan dean wright
So I can respond to that silliness.
Okay.
tim pool
It's all fake, it's all boring.
bryan dean wright
Oh my god.
Okay, a couple of times.
daniel turner
I would join.
bryan dean wright
Right, you know.
So I'll tell you, we get by, that is to say, in the intelligence community, folks get by with this kind of stuff.
Everybody thinks that, you know, intel people are 10 feet tall and they're scary and amazing, they can do anything they want.
James Bond.
But I'm telling you that ain't how it is.
I can share the story with you.
I was looking to work with our group of folks who go out into the world and hire NOCs.
Those are people that we would never officially recognize as intelligence officers.
And I asked our NOC hiring officials, What do you look for?
And she said to me, we don't look for the F students, obviously, or the D students, as it were, sort of A, B, C, D, F, the grades, right?
D or F students, those kids don't work.
But we can't hire A and B because they're too good and smart and they don't want to put up with the bureaucratic baloney that this place has.
So what we have to try to find is like a good solid C plus student.
ian crossland
That's me.
bryan dean wright
Well, I'll put in a good word for you, since I'm still a fed.
tim pool
I think it actually is just like the movies, because I've seen a lot of Burn Notice, and you do look and talk like Michael Westman.
bryan dean wright
Is that right?
ian crossland
So they want people that are not so adherent to authority that they'll get A's and B's, because that's what they're told to do, but they're not so stupid that they can't follow along, that they're willing to join, but they're also willing to betray.
bryan dean wright
A and B students have ambition, but they want efficiency.
They want accomplishments.
You can go out into the private sector and earn a ton of money.
You can go be successful as your A and B students.
But your C plus student, they tend to struggle more in life.
So you need somebody that isn't quite Tip of the spear, as that video just said.
But that shouldn't be true, by the way.
We should want A students and B students working for our government because we want efficiency, we want smarts, we want the best we can get.
So I don't buy that video because of that, having been on the inside.
But I understand why people might think that that's true.
The only other quick caveat I'd add is there is one part of me that loves that because when I was out as an officer, I was meeting with a source, and he was like, why aren't you taking notes?
I'm telling you all these great and amazing things.
Well, I didn't need to.
I was able to capture it.
And he paused.
He's like, wait a minute.
I've seen the movies.
Do you have a microphone in your shoe?
And I was like, I do.
unidentified
He was like, oh, this is so cool.
tim pool
Burn Notice was a cool show, man.
One of my favorite scenes is when, you guys have seen Burn Notice, right?
ian crossland
Negative, no.
tim pool
You've never seen it?
It's so good.
So it's this former CIA contractor and he's always trying to, he's basically a contractor now for private individuals, trying to help the little guy.
And he explains to you how he does things and why.
And it's fascinating.
So he's like, he's trying to scare a bad guy.
So he takes a cell phone, tapes it to a box, and then runs the power cable to the wall to make him think there's a bomb.
And he was like, that's like the psychological manipulation stuff.
So that's what that show does.
I love that show.
That show was amazing.
bryan dean wright
So what I will tell you, this contracting thing is actually really important.
So we just watched, this is the army is trying to convince everybody that they're the 10-foot monster.
If you want to talk about power, you need authority to influence and persuade.
That power does not sit within the military and it doesn't sit within the CIA.
It sits in Hollywood.
It sits in New York and in DC in terms of those media operating rooms deciding what the editorial line for the day is going to be, what the American people need to think about.
It's the people who write the headlines, knowing that 70-80% of people don't read the story, just the headline.
That's your power.
If you want to shape an agenda, if you want to push people into believing something, that's where you spend your time and your money.
It ain't in some whiz-bang CIA operation that's propaganda.
Which, by the way, that was good back in the 50s and it's not so great now.
But anyway, that's where your power is.
daniel turner
One thing about the video, if we could ask your huge followers, I feel like I'm pretty well traveled in this country.
I can't think of what city has bright orange subway cars.
All of your followers right now, if you could be like, oh yeah that's the subway in They showed it twice, and I'm like, I know America pretty well.
I grew up in New York City.
I know subways well.
I can't think, so... Anyone out there?
tim pool
It's not so much the color or the shape of them.
Maybe it wasn't an American city, but I will say I learned something in my quest to purchase Times Square billboards.
You can actually buy an entire train and put whatever you want on it.
lydia smith
Let's do that.
bryan dean wright
Yeah.
daniel turner
I would just love to think that the army used, like, the subway of Amsterdam, you know, for a recruitment video.
ian crossland
I've been thinking a lot about using the media, like you were saying, to, I guess, manipulate is the word, not, you know, whatever.
tim pool
Sounds like people are saying, someone said Japan.
lydia smith
Oh, interesting.
ian crossland
Maryland.
I saw Denmark.
Oh, people are just saying whatever.
tim pool
Nah, they're just saying whatever.
lydia smith
They're saying nonsense.
ian crossland
But, like, how do you use the media to please everyone?
And I know you can't please everyone all the time.
Abraham Lincoln quote.
But, like, I want to really make the world better and create new technologies like running fresh water, solar-powered heat, you know, things that will make us more resilient as a species, make people laugh, make people relax.
Like, even the head of the CIA and Kim Jong-un want to laugh.
and relax a little bit, but I've also got to make sure people have enough food.
I don't know if there's people that actually want to starve the population so that it grows slower.
You hear about Bill Gates talking about reducing the growth rate, and I don't know if there are
people that really want that, which seems crazy, but other than that, like, do you think we could
actually use the media?
I mean, that it's possible?
bryan dean wright
Look, are there people in this world who have a particular agenda for an environmental issue or the global population or whatever, and then they use their money to affect that outcome?
Damn straight.
I mean, we have foundations in this country, all over the world in fact, but the United States have a massive number of private family foundations that chase after whatever their own family's goals might be.
Okay, so it's not...
It wouldn't be a wild assumption to hear or an argument to hear somebody say, this family or this person really gets excited about X issue.
Now they're really going to change all of our lives just because they and their big money want to change it.
So absolutely there's precedent for that.
Every day we've got it.
The second piece though, tell me again, it's more of like... I don't know, I'm asking if it's possible.
ian crossland
I mean, I know you don't have the answer, but do you think it's possible to fix this planet, bring people together, like all of us together?
tim pool
Yeah, and I'll tell you what... Real quick, sorry to interrupt.
Watching the ad, there's an advertisement, and it looks to be in German.
lydia smith
Oh, interesting.
daniel turner
So then it was made by the army.
tim pool
In the subway.
bryan dean wright
So we're talking that was the German army that was putting that out?
lydia smith
That's a heck of a lot better than our army.
daniel turner
That's how good the psychological warfare is.
lydia smith
It's meta.
daniel turner
They kept showing the Statue of Liberty.
That's why I was like, they're trying to make you think it's New York, but that's not.
bryan dean wright
Let's be really honest for a second.
Europe's military is a joke.
Come on.
In Ukraine, do you recall when things were bubbling up?
What did Germany offer the Ukrainians?
5,000 helmets.
Get out of here.
Their military is absolutely hollowed out.
So, anyway, that's ridiculous.
But I will tell you, in terms of the media stuff, you know, how can we shape, how can we encourage, how do we grow as a people, as a country, as a species, whatever it might be.
No joke, and I'm not saying it because I'm here, it's this.
These kinds of shows are where it happens because what you do is you encourage people to think To think for themselves and to think critically.
You give them information and you say, hey look, here's my bias.
Here's what I think.
Here's the data that supports my argument.
But I'll tell you what, your call.
You decide.
It's up to you.
That's what we have to encourage each other to do.
That's what I do on my podcast.
That's what you all do here on this show every day.
That's how we shape the world.
We now control the information.
We put it out there.
And if people trust us, Not just because, oh, they seem smart, but they know that day in and day out when we talk to them, we say, here's the data, you decide.
Here's why it's important to you, but it's your call.
Then people are less like, hmm, what are you trying to do to me?
What are you trying to get me to buy?
What are you trying to manipulate me to think?
All I'm doing is saying, here's the information, here's what I think, but y'all make the call.
daniel turner
Well that's what's so fascinating about the role of tech, right?
So here's the data, you make the decision, I work in the environmental and energy space
and here's the data.
It's like, so you don't believe in climate change.
I'm de-platformed from Facebook.
You're not allowed to be a climate denier on Facebook.
And you say, well I'm not denying anything, I'm just saying here's a set of facts that
need to be discussed.
Not on our platform because you don't care.
And what you just said, sometimes you strike me that you say some of the sweetest, most humanitarian things.
And you said, make the world a better place, and give solar heat and clean water.
You know where they didn't discuss any of that sentiment, if you paid attention the last couple days, was Davos.
All those world leaders gathered and they talked about what we will do.
Oh, there's the photos of them.
tim pool
I had to know.
ian crossland
Confirmed?
unidentified
Germany?
lydia smith
Berlin?
daniel turner
It's Berlin!
bryan dean wright
Did we know that the German Army was joining our PSYOPS group?
tim pool
I don't know why we weren't surprised.
Maybe it was a filter on them.
daniel turner
You know who was the last one that made it join the German Army ad?
I'm just saying.
bryan dean wright
I'm telling you, not too soon.
tim pool
They bought stock footage.
unidentified
They did.
daniel turner
They bought stock footage.
ian crossland
It seemed like a shapely made video.
daniel turner
Subway car.
Yeah, from Getty Images.
But anyway, your sentiment of how do we find Solutions to the problems that will make the world a better, more peaceful, more healthy, more prosperous place at the individual level.
You looked at those yahoos in Davos and all they did was talk about what can we do to make them obey?
How do we cut countries off the global monetary and banking system if they won't vaccinate their people and everyone collapse?
And John Kerry, how do we punish people that will not accept climate change and everyone collapse?
That whole thing should have been... We should have built a wall around Davos and forced them to live there and given them some primitive weapons and hunger games.
tim pool
We gotta hit super chats.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button and subscribe to the channel?
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We're gonna read some superchats.
I'm gonna start with one that's just, it's closer to the end, and then we'll go back to the beginning.
But Catman says, Tim, I listen on Spotify normally.
You should put something to mark the ads around the 27 minute mark talking about death penalty your ad read started with.
I'd like to know where my meat comes from.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh, that's amazing!
tim pool
Well, you know, that's how it works.
lydia smith
We cannot control that.
I'm sorry.
daniel turner
That's great.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Spiro Floropoulos says, Sources say .online Tim's word queue idea is in beta mode.
If anybody at Timcast wants access to try it, please reach me.
I've emailed SpinTheUFO before, or tell me who and how to contact to give access.
daniel turner
I don't understand that.
tim pool
I'll explain it to you. Do you want to check the spin the UFO for Spiro Floropoulos?
So, um, I've been having this thing, you know ranting about Wikipedia how we should sue them
You can't there's Wikipedia can create a defamatory article, but because it's community generated. No one can be sued
You can't sue Wikipedia because they're protected by section 230
You can't sue the individual editor because they don't make a complete statement.
If an editor writes, Daniel Turner raises sheep.
Or lamb.
That's true, right?
Okay, you can't sue that person.
What if someone then goes in and changes raises to... You know what he's gonna say.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
Brutalizes.
unidentified
Yes.
daniel turner
That's definitely not true.
tim pool
That's a defamation.
said you did they added one word you can't sue someone for saying one word
it's not defamation you can argue it is because of the place they put it in but
they can be like I just put in a single word I didn't I didn't do anything I
mean so who do you sue yeah I think the closest argument you can get to is well
because of all the other words that were there you're the one who completed the
statement by changing the word Technically that person.
But they never actually said anything, so it's arguable.
And I've talked to lawyers about this.
They're like, I don't know who you sue.
You can't sue anybody, I guess.
So the idea for this program is...
We will create an article.
We'll title it Nancy Pelosi.
And then as soon as you load the page, you are placed in a queue based on when you loaded it first, second, and third.
So if you're the first person in, it'll say, sources say blank.
You get to write one word.
The next person who loaded the website can put the second word.
And as the article gets bigger, you'll get more and more time to figure out your work because you've got to read it.
But then, every individual has only written one word.
Who are you gonna sue?
So you'll have this really long article making this really ridiculous statement with no one who can be sued.
ian crossland
Try and sue the person that owns the website, then Wikipedia will get sued.
tim pool
Exactly, you can't.
It's section 2.
And we didn't write it, it's users.
bryan dean wright
I love that.
It's their rules, so play them.
Brilliant.
tim pool
And what we'll do, too, is we'll make it so that when you add the word, it doesn't actually put the word in the article until the article's done.
Because then no one wrote the article.
lydia smith
Love it.
tim pool
They might be able to argue that, like, well, there were 700 words already there, and you put that word in there, so it completed a statement.
It's like, okay, well, we won't then.
You'll read it, you'll add your word, and then once it's done, it'll go, connect them all.
bryan dean wright
It's like Mad Libs, but better.
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
Ashton de Rojas says, can you let people know Schumer is planning a Senate vote on two gun control bills day after Memorial Day, and to call your state reps and senators to oppose these bills?
Better yet, call your state reps and senators and demand they repeal the NFA.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And abolish the ATF, I suppose.
And why don't we get some Republicans who actually want to repeal some of these gun laws?
ian crossland
Like Rodney Starbuck.
tim pool
All that keeps happening is Republicans are like, we'll compromise with you Democrats and ban some stuff.
And then Democrats just keep saying ban more.
ian crossland
They're just raking in the money, man.
These Congress people that should have been out after four years, maybe eight years.
tim pool
Alright.
Beckmeister says, New York Shooter's Discord username, Discord ID, about me, you can't begin to imagine how we get them to do the things they do.
I mean, but is that, that could be anybody.
This could be a random crazy person who's trying to egg on people, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's crazy.
Yeah, really.
You are right that meds can cause these mass shootings I say this as someone who was almost driven by medication
induced intent into doing one I'm willing to get into contact if you want to know more
Wow crazy. Yeah, people go crazy Yeah, really Rob short says press F to abolish this Fed. Oh,
no, they're talking about you Smash the like button to end the Fed
unidentified
I'm gonna Say at the end of the night you guys have to turn
daniel turner
everything upside down and make sure there are no bugs so you know what I'm getting at.
All your little knick-knacks, just stick bucks.
tim pool
All right.
Phalanx says, Tim, you keep talking about 3D printed guns, but why not the Looty?
It's also my birthday, so I have some of my money.
Oh, thank you.
What's the Looty?
ian crossland
How do you spell it?
tim pool
L-U-T-Y.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I am unfamiliar.
unidentified
Not sure.
tim pool
Everyone's Looty.
daniel turner
It's what Nero was playing when Rome was burning.
He was playing the Looty.
ian crossland
I heard that that was actually not true, but I'd like to go into that deeper.
The Looty submachine gun?
tim pool
Oh, oh my everybody is putting F in chat, but hold on I said that if you want to
Smash the like button. Ah and You guys can't get a listen close. Well, maybe they're just
trying to abolish the Fed. I see Mark H says Tom McDonald would be an awesome future guest
You guys rock!
He would!
unidentified
Yeah.
He would.
tim pool
Tom, you are always welcome to come on the show.
You know what I would love to do, too, is do a music collaboration with him, because we have one song that's kind of punk rock.
I can't write a verse, so I just don't know.
ian crossland
Oh, Tom would be great.
tim pool
And so I was like, it's faster, so maybe what it needs is rap so it can convey the story in a meaningful way.
So I reached out to him, but he's a busy guy.
There's some other people I have in mind.
We'll see what we can get done.
Got a lot of music stuff in the works.
ian crossland
That's awesome, man.
tim pool
Yo, it's just everybody is so busy.
unidentified
The talent pool is... Talented people are busy.
tim pool
It's all bought up.
lydia smith
It's hard.
tim pool
Yeah, we're trying to find... We're talking to some big industry music people, but they're like, yo, everybody is swamped.
unidentified
Where was everybody at you know, we get music. I loved your chicken city theme song. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah
Is that live now? It's a deck. Well, I played it the making of and I just thought it was turned up
tim pool
So endearing I haven't heard it's just four chords. I wrote it in ten seconds. That's great, though
unidentified
I still put you in a good mood. Oh, yeah See you at Chicken City.
tim pool
Roberto is the sheriff of Chicken City and Roberto Jr.
is his deputy.
But Roberto's at the Boys Town now.
He's in Freedom Stand.
With his sons.
He's aggressive.
Roberto Jr.
is much nicer to the girls.
Roberto Jr.
is Rhode Island Red and Easter Egger of some sort.
Some kind of mix.
But he looks just like a Rhode Island Red.
daniel turner
I think I saw him outside.
He's beautiful.
tim pool
So Roberto was getting really aggressive.
He jump-kicked me one day.
And we can't have him banging his daughters.
No.
So he already did and he had a bunch of granddaughter-daughters.
That's the limit, you know, for LimeBerry, I guess.
You can do it once, I guess, for certain traits.
So now he's got a few granddaughter-daughters.
And these chickens, they are their own aunts, I think?
Is that what it is?
unidentified
That's right.
daniel turner
You're going to want to change that, yeah, bloodline.
tim pool
We did.
Well, so Roberto Jr.' 's his son, but we have two Brahma roosters now that are Roberto's sons with our Brahma, Sarah.
So I think what we're going to do is we're going to take all the boys out because we have a Silky, who's been yelling.
unidentified
Love him.
tim pool
And then the Silky breeds with everybody and makes satins.
ian crossland
That's one lucky silkie.
daniel turner
Silkies are great.
ian crossland
Do roosters generally have a different call?
What do you call that?
A cock-a-doodle-doo?
What is that?
Crow.
daniel turner
They do, based upon when we would notice, when you live with them and you have them on the farm, and you know as well, you know what they're saying.
When there was a fox nearby, it was a different sound.
When it was like, run and take cover, he would make some sound.
Our rudus's name was Cletus.
And all the hens would run into the house.
It was like, heads up, here comes the fox.
They all have different sounds.
It's very cool.
tim pool
Adrian Curry in chat says, house Lannister hens.
unidentified
That is correct.
tim pool
That is what they are.
unidentified
That's very good.
tim pool
Oh man.
unidentified
That's very good.
All right.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
DD says, the state is a joke.
They do not care about you.
Well, of course they don't.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Most of these politicians are like, I just want to say the bare minimum that I have to, to get reelected.
That's about it.
There's like 10 politicians who are actually trying stuff.
Alright, Minion715 says, Tim, check out New York response with BillS9407 making the purchase or possession of all types of body armor a felony if it is passed.
That's no good.
How do you how do you how do you legally define body armor then?
So you know what they were doing in Thailand is they would buy x-ray sheets and they would they would stagger them inside vest as plates.
lydia smith
Nice.
tim pool
And I don't know if that actually worked but they they'd said it did.
You take a big a whole bunch of the x-ray film and it creates some kind of you know Oh, interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
I have to ask, how do you justify banning a defensive, not even a weapon, a defensive thing?
What case do you make that says, oh, you shouldn't be able to actually literally protect your vital organs from a possible attack?
Which we know are happening, by the way.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
tim pool
Welder1 says, Tim, you need to buy billboards near establishment media that reads, if you want real news, go to TimCast.com.
bryan dean wright
Nice.
tim pool
We did have some, I don't know if they went up, they might be in Chicago, and it's a quote from Michael Malice that says, the quote was something like, the corporate press gives you the narrative, TimCast.com, or TimCast gives you the news.
I think that's on some of the billboards, so I did see that we have the one in Times Square, but That was more of like a statement, like, we're here, get used to it.
And we bought a bunch in Chicago because that was actually, like, the biggest regional demographic for the show is Chicago.
So I was like, we'll put them in Chicago because apparently people in Chicago like the show.
And we'll see how that works out.
We'll see if it works out.
But either way, we've done zero marketing until this point.
And so, you know, we'll see what happens.
And it's all thanks to all of you as members.
We're going to keep growing.
I think we need to stop A lot of people, all of these channels, all of these independent creators, need to stop looking at the establishment mainstream media as if they are some big monolith, and start recognizing that we've beached the shore, we are storming, we've breached the walls, we are running across the beaches of Normandy figuratively, and they're firing all of these smears and hit pieces desperate to stop us.
But all we gotta do, is as we get big enough, is just start taking over those spaces.
So, I don't know, Super Bowl ads or something?
ian crossland
Yeah, and you'll realize when you start doing it, too, that the amount of cover you run as an independent journalist or an independent creator is so much more than a guy on a beach head storming against machine guns.
One guy doesn't provide a lot of cover for everyone else, but when you're a loud voice in the media, man, is that a distraction for the people that aren't comfortable with it.
daniel turner
What's funny is the hubris of the mainstream folks in their position, like, you know, Anderson Cooper.
There are more people watching Bobby Flay make a frittata than are watching him.
But if he would tell you he's the most important voice, people have 40,000, 50,000 people watching him a night.
So it's kind of funny to see that they still think they're these powerful voices and they're really we shouldn't give them any any props because they're they're kind of obsolete.
tim pool
All right, Junkie Bok says, cops are now watered down. The poke mandate made many good ones leave.
The defund programs and protests made the good ones leave.
Effective cops also typically have past military training and there are few remaining. This
was the point I was trying to make on Twitter, which was probably not well framed. But
when you create a culture around the defund movement, and you demonize cops and you
riot, the good cops leave.
And then you get, there's two kinds of cops.
There's the cop who's like, I am doing this job, not because of the rewards I'm doing, because I must, I must be the person to run in to save those lives.
And then you get other cops who are like, I don't know, man, I just need a job.
And what we have now are the, I don't know, man, I just need a job.
I'm not going to run in there and get shot at you nuts.
I'm just here for the paycheck.
Cause the good cops don't want to be there anymore.
That's sad, man.
Alright, Drake Tilson says, I'm an FFL.
Many FFLs offer payment plans through their credit card processing companies so they can close sales with people who otherwise don't have the cash or credit to pay for the firearm.
Interesting.
I mean, financing's financing, you know?
Flinch Sun says, In reference to your earlier segment, the reason that feds are referred to as glowies is from Terry A. Davis and his less than charitable term he uses for the CIA and how they glow in the dark.
lydia smith
Yeah, that sounds right.
tim pool
Yep.
lydia smith
Checks out.
tim pool
All right.
Archm- Archmagos, Errant Carbos says, I would charge in to save any child I could from such a fate.
I don't think I could stop myself from berserking on in there to stop him or die trying.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't know if I would have any logical thought at all.
I might just be like, kick the door in.
But the CBP guy, exactly that.
He grabbed the gun and he went for it.
Some people are just like, run in, save these kids.
lydia smith
I don't even have kids, and I was imagining how I'd feel in that situation, and it was making my blood pressure rise.
tim pool
I can understand if someone was like, you were unarmed, and there was someone with a weapon, and you'd be like, what do I do?
But these were cops with guns.
That's why I'm saying like, I'd probably just do it poorly, but freak out.
I'd probably freak out.
I don't know what to say, man.
I mean, maybe it's all well and good.
We like to believe we would be better at it than they would.
But I gotta tell you, man, I've run into danger for stupider reasons.
It leaves me speechless, really.
ian crossland
Speechless.
Available on Amazon.com.
lydia smith
Michael Knowles.
Oh my gosh.
Ridiculous.
It never dies.
Genius marketing.
tim pool
He's got us.
Okay, let's try and grab some more Super Chats.
David C. Kronk Sr.
says I find it very disconcerting that we as a society put our money into a more secure place than we put our children.
We deserve what we get.
Well, you know, you get what you deserve.
It doesn't, you know, that's used in a bad way in a lot of senses.
You get what you deserve, but it's not always a bad thing.
It's like, you know, the story of the king who said he wanted, uh, who was it?
His blacksmith to make him something that would make him happy when he was sad and sad when he was happy.
I'm probably ruining the story or whatever.
You ever hear this one?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He's like, I challenge you to produce an item that would make me sad when I'm happy and happy when I'm sad.
And so he made a ring or something that, that engraved and it said, this too shall pass.
lydia smith
That's a great line.
tim pool
Yeah, so like... It's from Ecclesiastes.
You know, when you say you get what you deserve, it's a good thing.
You work really hard, you'll get what you deserve.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You do bad things, you will get what you deserve.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says Tim, make a short film about him. Praise strength.
We could.
We could do something.
Some people said to do an animation or something.
Here we go.
James Greenshade says they did make a movie about that guy.
It's called Die Hard.
unidentified
Woo!
That's right.
tim pool
You see, those were the heroes we had, like I had when I was a kid.
The dude who used to tape the gun to his back and he's got his hands up.
lydia smith
Prompt through the vents.
Yep.
tim pool
Broken glass and he has no shoes on.
bryan dean wright
So at what point, though, are they the good guys and then they become the Fed?
Like, what's the crossover?
lydia smith
There's definitely a crossover.
Yeah.
bryan dean wright
And by the way, can we just shut the lights off and you can confirm I'm not glowing?
lydia smith
See if you're glowing in the dark.
bryan dean wright
And then we know I'm on the good side of this deal.
tim pool
That's how it works.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
I don't know.
ian crossland
You did the right thing.
tim pool
No, I don't... I mean, I think it's all just about generalities, generalizations.
Like, there are bad feds, like the ones who go to the garage, pull rope, but the ones who don't go and deal with political corruption.
I think for the most part, everybody, I've talked to some active feds who are total MAGA.
And what I've told is that it's not as cut and dry as people think.
A lot of people think that the entirety of like the FBI is all Trump derangement syndrome.
And it's like, no, it's the same as the world.
It's the same as the country.
A bunch of them are, especially because they're living in DC.
So you see a lot of them.
But then there's a bunch of, you know, there's MAGA ones and then there's like middle of
the road guys.
And the problem is, as you see in the real world, conservatives and centrists rarely
speak up.
And so the Trump derangement ones are doing what they want.
The other guys are like, I don't know, man, you know, I shouldn't say anything.
I could lose my job.
I got kids.
And that's the reality.
That's the problem.
Bad people do bad things, and if all that is required for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.
unidentified
That's correct.
tim pool
Good persons do nothing.
ian crossland
Also, good people can do bad things if they're in bad systems.
unidentified
Yes.
lydia smith
True.
unidentified
Very, very true.
bryan dean wright
History shows that's true.
tim pool
That's sad, man.
ian crossland
And vice versa.
Bad people can do good things in good systems.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, quote, Ian, you are right, sounds like a Freudian slip.
lydia smith
So weird.
ian crossland
But you said it.
lydia smith
Very intentional.
tim pool
It was true.
Julio Vallalta III says, just saw a Timcast IRL billboard off Interstate by Midway Airport.
Also seen in that area, regular gas at $5.53 a gallon.
Did you get it?
When I was buying the billboards in Chicago, I was like, at least one of them has to be
off Interstate 55 at Central Avenue because that's where I grew up.
The rest can be in strategic places, but that one, that one's for my friends.
ian crossland
Did you get it?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Apparently it's up.
I didn't know I was going to go up right away.
Awesome.
Yeah, so years ago, we've done a bunch of different polls and we also have analytic
data and Chicago is always the biggest.
Not by much, but I think it makes sense considering I'm from Chicago, so people there probably have similar opinions.
We grew up in the same place.
So I was like, all right, well, you know, if we're gonna buy ads and actually buy ads, we'll do it in Chicago.
It's a big city, and the people there have similar views.
It's a big liberal city for sure, but if you don't like Democrats and you're not a conservative in Chicago, you're basically like me, you know?
ian crossland
If you guys see billboards, get a nice high-res shot of it and tweet it at me.
Tag me in it and I'll see if we can circulate it on the show.
Give me the address of where it is, the location.
tim pool
JoshOhMyGosh says, Tim, if the government subsidizes guns using tax money, it may turn out like the universities raising prices to get more money.
No thanks.
That is a good point.
So I was only half-joking.
I was making a point about how Republicans never actually fight for things the way Democrats do.
Democrats are like, we demand you pay for our healthcare, and then healthcare goes crazy.
And then I'm like, okay, then we demand you pay for our guns!
unidentified
How about that?
tim pool
Here's a compromise.
I will say yes to universal healthcare if you say yes to universal guns.
And it works out too, because then with all the guns everywhere, you're worried.
Don't worry!
Hospital's covered for you!
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Don't, you know, you don't, these people don't realize that you don't just get free stuff because you want it.
It means we get free stuff too.
lydia smith
That's fair.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I also think it's funny that the student debt forgiveness people are like 13% of the population and they want all of the poor people to subsidize their, their degrees.
bryan dean wright
There was a study done by the Fed.
The other Fed.
ian crossland
Oh, the Fed.
bryan dean wright
Yes, the other ones.
The bankers.
tim pool
The one we want to end.
bryan dean wright
They surveyed student loan folks and 70% of them could, as of this moment, continue their payments.
In other words, 70% of folks who have student loans absolutely need no assistance.
Interesting that this whole conversation around loan forgiveness, not necessarily everybody needs it.
daniel turner
Yeah, but they're all getting $10,000.
Really?
tim pool
That's the proposal.
It's bribing voters.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan dean wright
That's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
daniel turner
Yeah.
unidentified
$10,000.
bryan dean wright
Bonkers.
tim pool
I mean, that's nuts, man.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see.
Second, Fleet Actual says, Tim, if they aren't old enough to be armed, they aren't old enough to vote, force them to choose one or the other.
There you go.
I think they would give them the guns.
lydia smith
Raise the age of everything.
tim pool
They'd be like, OK, let's get 16-year-olds to vote.
There was a bunch of students protested gun violence, and they were like, just because we're students doesn't mean we aren't allowed to protest.
And I'm like, no, your lack of experience and knowledge on these issues is why you shouldn't protest.
But I don't really mean you shouldn't protest.
I'm just saying, like, I don't think you, as a gun control person, regardless of age, has done any research on this.
daniel turner
No.
tim pool
That's it.
I don't care how old you are.
You can be 14, and if you're like, I have not googled this, but I'm gonna protest, I'll bet you maybe, maybe you should.
daniel turner
Yeah, and last time a 16-year-old said policy, it was that Swedish chick, and they basically led Europe into war.
So let's not have 16-year-olds make any more policy decisions.
tim pool
I would like to translate for Greta Thunberg.
unidentified
When she was like, we don't want to wait till 2030 or 2022, she was actually saying, I want to kill 60 million people today!
lydia smith
Sounds familiar.
tim pool
And you think I'm joking, but she said she wanted to shut down all fossil fuels today.
I'm like, yeah, overnight, 60 million people around the world die.
daniel turner
Yeah.
ian crossland
They've also figured out how to upscale coal into graphene.
I don't know if you've been following that at all, but they hit it with lasers, and they can turn it into much cleaner burn fuel.
tim pool
Oh, you see, now Greta Thunberg's trying to take away Ian's graphene.
ian crossland
She's kind of scary.
Greta, I'm on your side.
daniel turner
And your buddy in Chicago should know that a 550 is bad.
Wait till August.
It's going to get much, much worse.
tim pool
Are you making your own fuel?
Wait till the harvest.
daniel turner
No fertilizer.
tim pool
This fall harvest is going to be a shock to the system.
daniel turner
We're still eating last year's crops.
Some winter wheat was harvested recently, but very little.
We're still eating last year's wheat.
tim pool
We're actually growing wheat as well.
daniel turner
You have to.
tim pool
Yeah, there were weeds.
lydia smith
Volunteer weed.
tim pool
And we ignored them for a long enough time.
And then we realized it was wheat.
And I was like, leave it, I guess.
I was like, I guess we'll make bread.
Yeah, we got a whole bunch growing.
And I was like, what is this strange plant growing?
unidentified
Oh.
bryan dean wright
Now how are you gonna harvest it, by the way?
Do you have the scythe?
What do you got to cut it up?
ian crossland
Oh, my meteorite katana.
unidentified
You got some swords up on the walls.
tim pool
No, I won't use that.
I'll use one of my other katanas.
ian crossland
Dude, let's get a grindstone.
tim pool
To sharpen them?
ian crossland
No, no, to grind the wheat once we get it out.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
We're gonna get a donkey.
And the donkey walks in a circle.
ian crossland
And a millstone.
tim pool
Absolutely.
ian crossland
That would be great.
unidentified
Old school.
ian crossland
Oh, it's a millstone.
The grindstone is for the blade.
bryan dean wright
I feel like that could be another YouTube channel for you.
Just the donkey going around in circles.
It would be super cathartic.
unidentified
Drop a carrot every 500 bucks in Super Chats.
I would watch that.
tim pool
We have the chicken parties at chickencitylive.com so you can give five bucks and then treats come down and then once a hundred dollars hits a chicken party happens and so when we were launching Pop Culture Crisis Live I said we need to do the same thing You know, like, we need to have it so that when people superchat, something happens, and then when you reach a number, something happens.
So now, during pop culture crisis, the hosts, you know, will be talking, and if you superchat, a money gun shoots 20s into the air.
unidentified
Woo!
So good.
tim pool
And then once $100 is reached, a crisis party happens where police lights go off and then money starts flying at people.
And then one flew into Ian's coffee.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a bit distracting.
lydia smith
It is a little distracting.
ian crossland
It hit me in the face, one fell in the coffee.
tim pool
But it's funny.
lydia smith
It's cool.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Odysseus Horse says, Tim, if you're serious about the absolute nature of 2A, you should get Brandon Herrera, the AK guy, out to tell you about the ATF form to register your nuclear device.
I'd love to hear it.
lydia smith
I have tried so many times to get that man.
He is busy as all get out.
Someday.
ian crossland
Brandon Herrera is his name?
lydia smith
Yeah, Brandon Herrera.
tim pool
Matthew Fettig says, hey Tim, love all your work.
Anyway, the IRL can do a poll of the day and then talk about it a little on the show to help the show feel even more engaging.
That's a good idea.
We could do something in the community section on the page, like maybe in the morning.
Or maybe just a couple hours before the show and the news is settled.
Matthew, you get no royalties.
It's ours.
You gave us the idea.
You forfeit all rights.
What about my donkey idea?
Can I get in on that?
we can pull it up on the show.
That would be fun, actually.
It's a good idea.
Matthew, you get no royalties.
It's ours.
You gave us the idea.
unidentified
We own it now.
tim pool
Nice job, dude.
You forfeit all rights.
No, we'll see.
bryan dean wright
We'll see.
What about my donkey idea?
Can I get in on that?
Can you guys do that?
I'll cut.
tim pool
I'll give you back the $100.
ian crossland
That proves you're not a...
bryan dean wright
Got it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
To like, to earn redemption, you gave me a hundred bucks, I'll give it back.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
Good donkey idea.
Matt Reese says, the left are saying mental health isn't an issue, while you see a clear trend to normalize mental illness, as if madness should be the new baseline.
Yeah, well, unfortunately.
ian crossland
This is the hill I'm on right now, is the pharmaceutical industry is the root problem of this, because it's just too much of a coincidence not to be.
tim pool
Fritter says, disabled guy here.
I walk with a cane.
Love it when my friends yell, hurry up!
Dude, I only have two speeds.
If you don't like this one, you sure as hell won't like the other.
bryan dean wright
I love that guy.
unidentified
That's great.
tim pool
Food for Life Global says, our charity is FFL.org, and our mission is to unite the world through the sharing of pure food.
We serve over one million vegan meals a day.
Oh, that's cool.
unidentified
FFL, too.
tim pool
I thought it was going to be a gun thing.
But it's Food for Life.
Wait, that's three Fs.
That's F-F-F-L.
Wait, wait, wait.
That's F-F.
That's F-F-G.
ian crossland
Food for F and Life.
tim pool
Oh, I'm an idiot.
lydia smith
Oh, Tim can't count.
tim pool
I can't count.
lydia smith
Where's that A?
daniel turner
Food for Life.
ian crossland
WWJD.
tim pool
F-F-L-G.
That's what it was.
I pulled another Biden, man.
What's going on here, man?
ian crossland
Take a meditation break.
You're going to love the fresh air.
tim pool
If I pull more Bidens like this, I don't know if I keep doing the show.
lydia smith
Forest bathing.
tim pool
But I do like the fact that whenever I screw up, I can say I pulled a Biden.
lydia smith
Yeah, I love that.
tim pool
Because it makes it funny.
daniel turner
And then you have to whisper something really creepy.
unidentified
And angry.
daniel turner
I'm your commander in chief.
That was so creepy to me.
It gave me, like, goosebumps.
unidentified
Like, ooh!
Oh, he did that?
tim pool
We'll grab two more here.
Let's see.
Phalanx says, the Ludi is a 9mm SMG that is built entirely from things you find at the hardware store.
British anti-gun control guy Phil Ludi wrote a book showing how to do it.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
You can't ban the knowledge.
That's crazy.
lydia smith
Nice.
You cannot, no.
tim pool
Nashonabo says, shoutout to Riley Hyland.
The chicken cams will be forever known as Tim... Timcest?
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
That makes sense.
That's fair.
lydia smith
Oh, that makes sense.
Well, hey man.
daniel turner
Don't put your name with that. You didn't do anything wrong.
Yeah, I didn't do it. He did.
tim pool
And you know what was funny is we put Dorothy in sex jail.
Aww.
Because he was going at her too much and hurt her back.
unidentified
Poor little thing.
ian crossland
Yeah, she was the victim.
She was the punished.
tim pool
She was the favorite.
And so we had to separate her.
And people got mad.
They were like, shouldn't you put Roberto in there?
And I was like, well, but he's the rooster.
And he keeps the girls in check and guards them.
And if we separate him, he might come back out and fight with his son, so we can't.
But then eventually we decided it's time to send Roberto off to the mine over at Freedomistan with the boys.
And so we put him in sex shield.
daniel turner
I'm sure she appreciated a little break also.
tim pool
She did, but she's not healing.
daniel turner
Oh, she's not?
tim pool
No, it's been a couple months and she's not growing the feathers back.
ian crossland
She needs some Reiki.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, and for some reason she is the favorite even for Roberto Jr.
now.
It's crazy.
lydia smith
Chicken hormones.
tim pool
I don't know anything about chicken attractiveness, but she must be a supermodel in Chicken World.
ian crossland
The Bard Rock?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, she's hot.
tim pool
You know, it's really funny.
We have two barred rock.
They look like zebras.
They have, like, you know, white and black.
And Vanessa has always got a furrowed brow.
That's how you tell them apart.
You see Vanessa, and she's always looking angry at you, like this, with her eyes down.
And Dorothy's eyes are always up, like, huh?
unidentified
She's very cute.
tim pool
So you instantly just know who's who.
ian crossland
They're very friendly.
They're both real friendly to humans, too.
That might have something to do with them being the favorites of the roosters.
tim pool
Adrian Curry says eat Roberto. He will always be a part of you
Justice has been served. Oh, I don't I I don't think we'll eat any of the original cast which includes Roberto
But all the rest of them they don't have names or fair game We can't name the 50 of them that we have.
So we named one of the Brahmas the son of Sarah Isaac because in the Bible, Sarah's son is Isaac.
So he's safe.
And Sarah is safe.
And then she has another son and daughter.
I guess they'll be safe.
lydia smith
I like the Bible trend.
That's cool.
tim pool
Well, I don't know.
It was just an idea someone came up with, I guess.
So, you know, we'll see how Chicken City goes.
But also, guys, check out Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube live Monday through Friday at 3 p.m.
We're going to be doing some ads for them as well as the show starts kicking up and getting to full speed.
And it's going really good.
I mean, Lydia and Ian have been on the show.
lydia smith
So fun.
ian crossland
This week, actually.
Yeah, it was great.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So smash the like button if you haven't already.
Subscribe to the channel.
Share the show.
It's the most powerful thing you can do.
You know, we started doing this marketing thing recently, but everything for this show has been organic growth, which is just totally nuts.
And I talked to some marketing people who couldn't believe it.
They were like, no way.
Yeah, just people were sharing it.
I guess they like it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So that really is the most powerful thing.
But now we'll do traditional marketing and we're going to take over.
That's what we're going to do.
You can follow the show at Timcast IRL.
You can follow me personally at Timcast.
Brian, you want to shout anything out?
bryan dean wright
I'm just so pleased to be here.
Can't wait to come back, if you have me, even though if I glow.
But please, The President's Daily Brief.
Love it if you all listen to that.
And I'm on Twitter, Brian Dean Wright.
daniel turner
Always good to be here.
Daniel Turner, power of the future, powerofthefuture.com, and also always a shout out to Bristol Farm, Virginia on Instagram, our fantastic sheep farm.
I sent you a picture of the sheep, but I don't know if you can pull it up in time.
lydia smith
I can't pull it up in time, but I am going to put that link in our bio, so your socials will have it.
daniel turner
My sheep are just the most beautiful sheep in the world.
Swiss valet, they're just beautiful.
ian crossland
Did you shave them yet?
daniel turner
The Scottish blackface will get sheared next week.
ian crossland
Are you going to record it?
daniel turner
They're getting really hot.
You guys want to come record it?
You can.
It's kind of funny.
ian crossland
I like the idea.
daniel turner
They'll be so happy because they're hot right now.
Oh, they're so hot.
They have so much wool.
But yeah, Bristol Farm, Virginia on Instagram and great to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Have a great weekend.
ian crossland
I used to think it was unethical to shave sheep just because of the way they scream and struggle, but I saw a sheep with so much wool it couldn't move, so you kind of gotta... You see how they vaccinate the baby sheep?
tim pool
They have them sitting in that conveyor belt thing with their feet up, and it just pulls them forward, and they don't move, and it just gives them the shot, and then it drops them, and they walk away.
lydia smith
That's great.
I love it.
ian crossland
Daniel, always great.
Really great to see you, man.
Brian, really good to see you, dude.
And we did joke about the whole CIA that you work for the Fed and everything, but thank you so much for doing that and the work you've done and for coming and talking about it.
bryan dean wright
Anytime.
ian crossland
Can't wait to see you again, man.
This is great stuff.
I followed you on Twitter.
Lydia, I love you.
Tim, always a pleasure, my man.
lydia smith
All right, I wanted to leave you guys with this quick thought.
I was just talking to Chris Carr, who's one of our editors over at TimCast.com, and I said, Chris, I would really like to know how many of the cops who just stood in the hallway while those kids were dying had their own kids.
I was like, I'm willing to bet that not a lot of them have their own children.
And I was like, this is how a culture dies when we're not willing to defend the people who need our defense the most, because our family line ends with us, and if we're to die, that's it.
So anyway, that's not exactly a bright note to leave you with, but I also want to say you guys can follow me on Twitter at Minds.com at Sour Patchlets, as well as SourPatchlets.me.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
Check out Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube and subscribe to it, and check out ChickenCityLive.com.
We have the Cast Castle vlog up every day, and we'll be back with the show.
We are working on Memorial Day.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all then.
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