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Timcast IRL - Cops TASED And Detained Parents Who Tried To Save Their Kids In Texas w/ Kash Patel
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tim pool
this is crazy video that's come out of Texas where you've got a bunch of these
parents that are outside this school in Uvalde.
Am I pronouncing that wrong?
unidentified
Uvalde?
tim pool
I think that's right.
And the cops are actually pinning one guy down.
They pepper sprayed some parents.
And one woman says that the police even tased a father who was trying to get into the school to save his kids.
This is a crazy story because what we're talking about are Texas parents.
I'm sure some of them must have been armed.
I mean, maybe not.
They were armed.
Armed Texas parents saying, let me go save my kids.
And the cops were like, no.
The cops reportedly went in and saved their own kids.
But there was one woman who breached the perimeter, made it into the school, got her kids out.
So this is actually generating controversy on the left and the right.
The left is angry with police.
They're like, what's the point of funding these police if they're keeping parents from actually going in?
And you got people on the right, they were like, there are good guys with guns.
And the cops would not let them stop this guy.
So this is an interesting story.
We're gonna talk about that.
Plus, we're going to talk about some of the stuff going on with the Sussman trial, stuff having to do with Russiagate and Hillary Clinton, and we're also going to talk about Truth Social.
Plus, we got in Oklahoma, they are now the first state post-Roe v. Wade, I believe.
But in modern history, to ban abortion from the moment of conception, with limited exceptions, which is really interesting.
Because depending on which poll you check, people are actually okay with that.
Oklahoma basically banned elective abortion.
Now, I want to just add something before we get the show started.
Because joining us, of course, we've got a couple of really great guests, and Kash Patel is here.
And literally, as we're getting ready to do the show, his phone rings.
kash patel
It says 45.
tim pool
And it says 45.
And then he's sitting here having a conversation with President Trump.
And I'm just like, get him on the show, dude.
Let's do it.
kash patel
I asked him.
tim pool
Yeah.
kash patel
And he said, yeah.
tim pool
We'll make it happen, I guess.
We'll figure out how to do it.
Trump's a busy guy.
kash patel
Yeah, but we'll get there.
tim pool
Right on, man.
Well, so joining us is Kash Patel.
How's it going, man?
kash patel
Oh, it's going great.
I love to be back.
The compound's looking better than ever, man.
You put some nice finishing touches on it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's getting bigger.
And we're actually building our West Virginia Oh, you're doing that?
kash patel
OK.
Yeah.
tim pool
It's coming.
It's the materials.
Steel was hard to get.
And so we've just got to build as much as we can.
So you want to introduce yourself, your career?
kash patel
Yeah.
unidentified
No.
kash patel
Yeah.
Try not to put people to sleep.
Thanks for having me.
Good to meet Adrian.
Great to see you guys again.
So, yeah.
So my life exists on fightwithcash.com.
Fight with cash for the K. Doing a couple of things since I left the administration.
I was the chief of staff for the Department of Defense.
I headed up Trump's counterterrorism programs and did some other stuff along the way.
Back in the house, Intel days, I ran the Russiagate investigation for Chairman Nunes, put out the Nunes memo, all the Hillary Clinton campaign financing, broke the Steele dossier story, all that stuff.
And fast forward to John Durham and Russiagate unraveling and the Sussman prosecution, so I'm looking forward to talk about all of that.
But most importantly, I'm very excited about my new children's book, The Plot Against the King.
It is Russiagate for children, literally.
Instead of talking about Critical Race Theory, we came up with our own CRT.
We call it Children's Reading Time.
So basically, the plot against the king is a medieval story with Hillary Queenton, Keeper Comey, and a shifty knight who are taken on by a knight named Deverd and a wizard named Cash on their quest for truth.
And of course, Joe Biden gave us the biggest promo ever by calling Trump the MAGA King the day before Donald Trump launched my book on Truth Social, The Plot Against the King.
So get it.
We want to put in schools everywhere.
Their art's fantastic.
And we're hoping to stay at number one on not just children's, but become overall number one.
It's plotagainsttheking.com.
tim pool
You get your own copies.
They did, what did they do, like testing to find the slogan for like six months to figure it out.
And they settled on Ultra MAGA.
And all of the Trump supporters are laughing about it.
But what I'm seeing from these leftists are like, they're so dumb.
Polling showed that people don't like MAGA.
So they're buying into it.
And I'm like, I don't think that these establishment journalists,
people are saying this, don't realize the right doesn't care about that.
It's just about having fun and making jokes.
So, Cash, thanks for joining us.
We also have Adrian Norman.
unidentified
Thanks for having me.
My intro is far less exciting than Cass's.
I'm a conservative writer, author, commentator.
I do have a... My first book that was out prior to the 2020 election was called The Art of the Steal.
It's about election fraud prior to the 2020 election.
It was supposed to be kind of a warning.
But yeah, I'm happy to be here and thanks for having me out, Tim.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
Thanks for joining us.
unidentified
Yeah, appreciate it.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
I'm also in the house.
That was a fun call before Donald put Donald on speaker.
We got to all listen a little bit.
Great guy.
Good to see you guys too, man.
I'm looking forward to the show.
And thanks for the book, Cash.
This is cool looking, man.
I'm glad you're the wizard.
kash patel
We have to be creative.
lydia smith
I love it.
I am looking forward to reading this kids book.
It seems delightful and I see and I know that the volume is a little low so I'm going to be tweaking that throughout the show a little bit as we go.
Thank you guys for joining us this evening.
Very excited.
Very fun to hear Donald Trump on the phone.
So we'll see what the evening has in store for us moving forward.
tim pool
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How many of you are able to do things like this?
We are taking over, we are the new media, and it's thanks to all of you as members we're able to do things like this.
Now, it's a bit, you know, vanilla, I guess, getting an ad.
So I've been talking with some other trolls and smart people who are good at culture jamming about campaigns we can do every month that serve as marketing, but are going to effectively send the message, you are not the elites anymore.
I'm very excited about this.
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Let's jump into this first story.
And I'm using the Daily Beast on purpose.
Because the Daily Beast, as you know, is fake news.
Let me slow down.
Here's the story.
Cops still can't explain agonizing hour-long wait to storm Uvalde classroom.
Distraught parents can be seen literally collapsing into themselves and wailing in anguish as officers refuse to answer their pleas to storm the building.
We hear about it all the time from conservatives.
A good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.
Not when the police are being bad guys with guns, right?
When they're using their authority and their power to stop you, stop a parent, from going and saving their kids.
When they went and saved their kids, one mother was able to go in and save her kids.
Now I want to point this out.
I'm using the Daily Beast because they are fake news.
The Daily Beast is certified by NewsGuard as fake news.
Proceed with caution.
This website fails to adhere to several basic journalistic standards.
Sucker.
I mean, honestly, it is.
Because you'd think the Daily Beast is an establishment outlet.
They'd get cover from everyone.
They were called real news for a long time.
No, they're fake news.
You are fake news, Daily Beast.
But when even the Daily Beast, fake news, is pointing out what was going on there, And that cops weren't letting people in?
We got a weird story.
I mean, something was weird.
I don't know what you guys think.
kash patel
So look, I got to go to the Daily Beast, too.
Because when I cracked the Russiagate code running the investigation for Chairman Nunes back in 2017-2018, the Daily Beast outed me as a staffer and wrote a whole hit piece on me, which is unheard of when you're a staffer.
You're not an actual member of Congress.
You're just working there.
and they called me a genocidal dictator.
So I agree with you, Daily Beast is fake news because I'm not a genocidal dictator,
I'm just the son of a man who fled from a genocidal dictator regime overseas.
So who's able to get me out there?
ian crossland
What dictatorship did he flee from?
kash patel
Idi Amin in Uganda.
Whoa.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Did they actually use the words genocidal dictator?
kash patel
Oh yeah, and they called me Torquemada.
What's that?
The guy from the Spanish Inquisition who was a genocidal dictator who like slaughtered millions of people.
tim pool
And why?
Because you were calling out fake news?
kash patel
Well, because I was reporting that, you know, we have proven Hillary Clinton, you know, paid for it, the campaign.
We were getting going and it was big news.
And they were like, we're going to take this guy out.
I didn't think anything would actually come of it.
But then there was, there's been a million pieces after that, but they started it.
tim pool
Well, so, so what do you guys think about what was going on with the, with, with, you know, these parents?
This seems weird to me, right?
Well, I will point out some people have said, look, you don't want a bunch of angry and confused parents rushing into a building.
It can, it can get chaotic, especially if they're armed.
ian crossland
I had a moment of empathy when I was watching the video and I heard the screaming parents where it was just like if I was that and all of a sudden I felt like because of bureaucracy I don't have a chance to save my kid and then find out that the kid was killed is like I like the cops are doing what they were instructed to do which is don't let the people run inside they might get hurt they might cause more damage But my god, when it hits the fan, it's like, the rules are off when your children's lives are at stake.
And you need to do what you gotta do to save their lives.
That was hard to watch.
lydia smith
Yeah, I was reading about this and I was like, I literally cannot imagine what it'd be like to stand there and think that my kid literally might die within the next few seconds if I wasn't to jump in and do something about it.
And for the cops to stand there and to tell me not to go in, I would lose it.
I wouldn't be able to, I wouldn't be responsible for my actions.
unidentified
Yeah, I spoke with somebody earlier who said that he had had some contacts on the ground and the reason for the delay is that they were, so the shooter had gone into the building and they were sort of establishing what their protocols were going to be for breaching, which is a little different than this story because now we come to find out that police actually took the time to go in and save their own kids but didn't allow parents to go in to save theirs or didn't make any real effort to save anybody else's and I think that's, it's sort of a travesty.
You know, and this isn't the only situation that we've had with the school shooting, where there was a huge delay in terms of a police response.
You know, with Parkland, police were told to stand down.
There was a long delay before any action was taken.
You got one guy in there with a gun, and then you got, what, dozens of people outside.
It seems like there would be some sort of protocol in place that would allow them to be able to go in and do something.
kash patel
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing with law enforcement, right?
Coming from a law enforcement background, you want your cop, that's why they sign up, to go in there.
Yeah, you establish a perimeter and all that stuff, but if there's a school shooting, you know, get some bodies in there doing something, and I think that's the biggest complaint.
You gotta wait for the investigation to come out, because it's gonna take forever to get everything right, but my biggest question is, why weren't there a couple cops in there right away?
Like, why?
ian crossland
You guys think that cops should have be armed or not cops rather. I'm sorry.
Teachers, teachers, do you think that teachers should be armed in these schools?
unidentified
I think if teachers want to be armed, why not?
Because obviously they're going to have to go through some sort of training.
You know, you can't just carry.
But if somebody wants to carry, if they've proven that they're able to be responsible and that they have demonstrated a certain level of proficiency with a firearm and they're able to protect kids, you know, if they're carrying concealed, nobody's going to know which teachers are carrying and which aren't.
Forcing any teacher who doesn't want to carry to carry, but if you have somebody who is open to the idea and they want to be that person and they could be somebody that interdicts a situation like this, I don't see any reason why we should not allow that.
tim pool
Simple answer, yes.
It's not a question of teachers, it's a question of people.
I think people should be armed.
lydia smith
That's it. Yeah, 100%. Well, I was workshopping this idea earlier today that I think that the
only way to fix this gun problem that we have in the US is to do it from the ground up. That
means a cultural change. That means someone who's going into a school or someone who's going in to
rob a store, they don't know if the person they're about to rob or the person they're about to attack
is going to be armed. And that's going to significantly dampen their enthusiasm for
doing extremely criminal activities.
Obviously, that's not something that the government can enforce, and we need to, like, have a serious respect for guns, but I don't know.
I hope we can get there.
tim pool
I don't think... So right now, the one thing that really bugs me about the whole issue is there's no real conversation, particularly from the left, on solving these things.
They just... They complain about people saying thoughts and prayers.
Well, I don't think thoughts and prayers is solving any of the problems either.
It's just kind of like a, you know, I feel for you, which is... I don't get a problem with it.
It's just, you know, okay, great, you know, sympathy, empathy.
The left then comes out and gets angry and says, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I gotta stop.
Not the left, the liberals.
The leftists like guns.
You know, leftists are more revolutionary, they like guns.
The liberals are like, we need background checks.
And I'm like, okay, we got those, what's next?
And they're like, no, no, no, we need background checks.
I'm like, okay, we have those, that already happens, what's next?
I don't think, you know, we hear enough from the right is like we should arm the teachers.
That's not going to solve anything either. And I'll tell you why. It may, it may prevent,
because some of these guys, some of these, these psychopaths might be like a teacher could be armed
that I, that I agree with. But in this circumstance, cops were there.
The good guys with guns were there.
The parents were good guys with guns.
The cops were.
And the cops actually impeded it.
The cops were supposed to be the good guys with guns.
They stopped it.
You look at Parkland, that security guard, didn't he run away?
He got in trouble for that.
So I'm saying...
I think we have deep-seated cultural problems where, you know, you guys see Beto O'Rourke heckle the press conference on these kids.
And I'm seeing, you know, Democrat activists cheer for this and I'm just like, come on, man, choose your battles.
But that's what Beto did?
is a contributing factor to why lunatics do this.
They know that you're gonna get Barack Obama, that you're gonna get Beto O'Rourke, and they will scream your name out to the world with your picture!
So that's what they're thinking.
They're thinking, this is how people will finally know who you are, because they're sick.
They're nuts.
Everybody agrees.
ian crossland
Jordan Peterson tweeted out earlier that we should not be saying the names of these criminals, these killers.
Just don't.
Because that's what the big part of it is.
They want to be famous.
They want it to be their final hurrah.
And then if they see names get shouted out, that copycats might come up and do the same thing.
unidentified
Thought it was a good point.
tim pool
You know, some people have mentioned what we need is cruel and unusual punishment for these people.
And I'm like, well, you can't do that under the Constitution, right?
But their argument is do something in such a way that humiliates them and makes them not want the attention.
ian crossland
Well, the dude that ran up on Dave Chappelle with a knife, like a fake gun with a knife in it, they broke his arms or his hand.
I mean, that was cruel and unusual what they did to that guy.
You could say he had it coming and deserved it.
I think, you know, you run up on stage and a guy with a knife, you're gonna get your body broken.
tim pool
But that's not cruel and unusual.
Cruel and unusual is like a stockade.
You know, like taking somebody and... Chucking stones at someone.
Yeah.
Or, you know, burying them up to their neck and then having everybody walk by and piss on them is cruel and unusual.
ian crossland
Isn't it if you can, like, hold them and secure them, then if you kick them while they're down, that's cruel and unusual?
tim pool
This guy... No.
No, no, no.
That's not...
So, uh, you can argue cruelty if it's excessive, but excessive force is not legal.
In the case of the guy with Chappelle, I think his arm got dislocated because they tackled him.
They all jumped up and pinned him and dropped him on the ground, and his arm got messed up in the scuffle.
If you attack someone, and someone is using force to stop you, and you get hurt, that's not cruel and unusual.
If we capture these people, and then, like I said, you bury them up to their neck in dirt, and then everyone can walk over and spit on them, that is cruel and unusual.
People have argued for, like, one of the memes that goes around, it's a liberal guy who posted this, or people who post this, Calling them like, you know, Tiny PP Shooter and giving them these weird names so that forever in history they won't be known by their name but by an insult.
I don't know if that actually would work, but I get the idea and I think they're scratching at the surface of the problem.
These people know that every politician, everyone's gonna say their name.
I'm not gonna say this guy's name.
I'm not gonna mention him.
I'm not gonna show his picture.
You know, but the media does all day every day and people tweet about him and that's what they know they get.
ian crossland
I'm reminded of the oubliette, the ancient Middle Ages punishment.
It was just basically a pit.
And oubliette means to forget.
And they would take criminals and they would throw them in the pit.
And that was it.
Never mentioned their name again.
Maybe they got fed.
Who knows?
tim pool
Yo, that's one way to do it.
ian crossland
Geez.
lydia smith
It's harsh.
ian crossland
That was rough.
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
I don't think it's coming back, though, unfortunately.
tim pool
I doubt it.
unidentified
Budweiser would probably sponsor it, but, um... Maybe... They put Bill Sussman in the booth.
kash patel
Yeah, man!
Let's do it!
ian crossland
I don't know those people that, that, uh, January 6th, there's people in solitary.
I don't know if that's really an oubliette, but that's people in solitary.
tim pool
That's basically it.
kash patel
I mean, look, I was a public defender back in the day, and I argued for some of the worst people in humanity, because they need a due process.
And the same thing.
It's like, okay, should you have a bond?
Shouldn't you have a bond?
While you're waiting, trial presumed innocent.
And look, whatever your political positions are on January 6th and whether it should or shouldn't have happened, if you have a 60-year-old grandmother who has never committed a crime in solitary confinement or not given bond, there's something wrong with that situation.
That means the judiciary has been politicized.
And you're a year on from January 6th and you have 50-plus people without bond, many in solitary confinement.
All that does is makes them want to plead and get out.
Plead guilty, not have the constitutional protections of due process and the presumption of innocence and the right to counsel.
They just want to rack up political victories, I think.
That's my interpretation of what this committee's doing.
tim pool
I think that the January 6th people is as close as you can get to cruel and unusual without jumping over the line in an obvious way.
Keeping people locked up, keeping them in solitary, doing these things is like you mentioned.
It's effectively torturing them.
So you can get them to just give up.
kash patel
That's it.
unidentified
And it's all politically motivated, too.
So it causes people to not have any faith in the system, which ultimately is bad for the country as a whole.
kash patel
It's terrible.
I mean, I've argued both sides.
Federal prosecutor, federal public defender.
And I've just never seen any situation where you just blatantly chuck a bunch of people.
I've gotten murderers and rapists out.
We're charged with those crimes on bond.
Because it was the actual right thing to do based on the facts and the judge made a decision.
You have people here with no criminal history who didn't commit a violent act and they're being held detained.
tim pool
It's... I don't know if you... You've been following a lot of the trials, I'd imagine, with January 6th.
kash patel
A couple of them.
tim pool
So there were... How many have there been?
Have there been three or have we had more so far?
kash patel
I think three total trials.
I got subpoenaed by the January 6th Committee.
That's a whole other story.
That cost me a fortune.
Wow.
tim pool
So we did a segment on here, and I mentioned that for the people who just walked in the front doors that were opened by the cops, how are you going to charge them?
How are you going to convict on trespassing when the cops open the door and say, come on in?
You know, for people who don't know about trespassing, you've got to give a warning.
If you don't have a sign on your property that says no trespassing, people can walk on your property, you can tell them to leave, but you've got to give them a warning first.
If you have a sign, you don't need to give them a warning because the sign is the warning, basically.
So once they enter the property, you've got them on trespassing, the police can issue a charge.
I brought that up.
These, you know, young Turks, for instance, said I was stupid and I was wrong.
And then what happens?
We actually saw a guy get acquitted exactly on those grounds.
kash patel
Yeah, because the Capitol building is a public free space.
Americans can go in and out of there.
Foreigners can go in and out of there.
Literally almost any time of day.
It's not trespassing.
There's certain areas they can't go to.
tim pool
And the cops are on video opening the doors.
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
Those guys need to be interrogated.
tim pool
So when we look at... I mean, man, when you look at what's going on with what happened in Texas, there's nothing that unifies this country, right?
So this thing happens, and what do we get?
What frustrates me the most I see posts from Democrat activists saying Republicans are spineless and they won't, you know, enact gun reform or things like that.
There's a meme going viral where they're like, ban the AR-15.
And I'm just sitting here like, none of these people have actually offered up any real solutions.
They're not interested in having a conversation about any real solutions.
They are mindless drones.
Saying ban the AR-15 is literally meaningless.
kash patel
No, it's like an assault rifle ban, or shifting the conversation from, oh, that's an automatic gun.
America doesn't allow the sale of automatic firearms.
There is no, there's no... It does with tax stamps.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Pre-1984 or whatever.
Right, right.
No, no, but what I mean is, it's like, let's approach it from this point.
They've banned the AR-15, oh no, and now everyone's using the AR-10.
They've banned the AR-15 and my M1A or my SCAR-20S or like, come on, name a different gun.
They exist.
They're coming out and they're like, They use this rifle.
In many instances with these shootings, it's an AR-style rifle.
kash patel
Right.
tim pool
And so they're saying, ban this!
And I'm like, yo, you're just not saying anything.
ian crossland
I would like to see a poll of people and what they think AR stands for, because I think a large percentage of Americans think it means Automatic Rifle.
unidentified
Or Assault Rifle.
ian crossland
And it means Armalite Rifle, which is the company that created the thing.
tim pool
But they have no idea what they're talking about.
lydia smith
They don't even Google it.
tim pool
And so what do you get?
You get David Hogg, right?
He posts in April, like, I bet if I sat down with my critics, we would agree on things.
And I tweet at him politely, like, hey man, come on the show.
You know, we'd love to have you.
We'll cover it.
They don't respond.
And so I tried again.
He's got no obligation to respond to me, mind you.
I'm not saying he has to.
But then he goes on with Matt Walsh.
He goes on with establishment personalities that are just playing to the same audience.
There's no real conversation happening.
I look at that and I'm just like, how could anyone believe that the path forward
in this country is gonna be unity?
I just don't, I can't see it.
Not anytime soon.
anytime soon, not even anytime late, to be honest.
Until we get ripped apart, until... We've got English to bond us.
ian crossland
We've got the almighty dollar.
I mean, it was basically a decentralized... It's a unification of states, which are all disunified, you could say, but unified under the idea of the Constitution.
We all follow the Constitution for the most part.
Constitutional law presides in every state.
Those are the things that hold us.
But our ideas never really were supposed to be the same or anything like that.
Even religion.
You're allowed to have your own religion.
tim pool
But they're not following the laws anymore.
California, for instance, won't enforce immigration law.
And it's actually granted them an extra congressional seat and an extra electoral college vote.
Yeah.
because it's by population, not citizenry.
So when you have states outright defying the union and federal laws, why would any other state be like,
okay, and now what do we get?
We get Oklahoma being like, okay, we're gonna ban abortion outright.
We don't care what the Supreme Court says.
That's where we're heading.
And I think it is the rule, not the exception.
Not the exception.
That on the right, there's a conversation around policy issues.
Ben Shapiro will yell, debate me, right?
That's the meme.
On the left, it's the exception.
They don't debate.
And if they try to, they have no idea what they're talking about.
kash patel
Well, Jake, that's why you're not going to get a solution.
Because they have political epithets that they throw out on any conversation.
Gun control, abortion, whatever.
Immigration, drugs, whatever you want to talk about.
But they don't have actual solutions.
And you're right.
On the right, they'll at least debate them.
And then try to find an answer like we did under the Trump administration for the border, for the opioid crisis, for illegal immigration, and for things like, you know, President Trump actually, you know, reformed the criminal justice system more than any president in modern American history.
And people don't know that, you know, because he he a Republican president was the one who did judicial reform,
which is crazy.
It's a crazy concept because it's not popular on the right.
But I thought he was doing the right thing and I thought it worked.
But it gets covered up because no one wants to talk about those things.
What did he do? He did a lot of this is getting technical, but a lot of the alleviations of.
So when we sentence people to for drug crimes and they get sentenced unequally because of skin color or ethnic
background, it sort of stacks up so you can eliminate those rules and regulations.
You can give the judges more flexibility to reduce those types of sentences.
And he basically undid the Biden 98 crime bill.
Congress didn't veto it, but you take out a lot of the minimum mandatory sentence requirements, like grandmother gets found with a gun under her bed that she doesn't know is there and her nephew put it there, you're going to send her up the creek for 10 years.
tim pool
That's insane.
kash patel
It's insane, but it happens.
I've defended people that this happened to.
And that's why you can't get any real actual, you know, True judicial reform without Congress.
tim pool
Mandatory minimums, in my opinion, stupidest thing.
kash patel
It's crazy.
tim pool
Stupidest thing.
I think our judicial system needs to be human.
It's supposed to be.
Judges are supposed to interpret the law.
So you're supposed to have, like, Grandma, how'd you come across that snub nose?
And she'll be like, I don't know, it's not mine.
kash patel
And they'll be like, okay, well... Ten years.
tim pool
Well, no, it should be like, we're seizing it.
If you don't know where it came from and it's not yours, then it's ours now.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Don't let it happen again.
Nobody got hurt.
ian crossland
Did the mandatory minimums come up because judges were giving people they knew, like, low sentences?
kash patel
Well, they can't unless you unless you fix the law or unless you give the judges the ability to use this thing called a safety valve exception in federal court.
And they didn't have a lot of those tools.
But you also have to appoint judges who are going to do that, who are going to see the way things that Tim just said, exercise judicial discretion.
And that was a big part of the candidates of candidates, the appointees that Trump put into the federal judiciary, is people who exercise discretion on the criminal side.
tim pool
I can't speak for federal government, but I know that in Illinois, the mandatory minimums on, say, drug sentencing or burglary sentencing was to deter crime.
So the idea was that a criminal would find out that the law was bad.
kash patel
No, they don't.
tim pool
They don't know.
They don't care.
They know they'll go to jail if they get caught.
So you end up with crazy stories.
I remember one story was about a teenager whose neighbors went out of town.
The neighbors asked this kid, their next door neighbors, to keep an eye on the house.
The kid, knowing they weren't there, broke in the back door, using the keys, because he had the keys, and he stole a beer.
Cops driving by saw someone was in there, knowing the people were out of town, went in, arrested him, and then they were like, they said about this kid, like, okay, we don't think he should be charged with anything severe, maybe trespassing, and the DA was like, no, no, no, there's a mandatory minimum for burglary.
He went in the property.
He took something.
He burglarized the property.
And so apparently, like, it was done.
It was four years.
And the judge was like, I don't want to do this, but it's out of my hands.
It's statutory.
And then the prisons were like, there is no way we are taking a kid who took a beer to come here.
And it was this huge legal battle.
I don't exactly remember what happened, but there's a story I heard.
I think it was like 18 years ago now, talking about in Illinois.
That's the problem with these things.
Anyone can look at that and be like, kid, don't take beer from your neighbors.
And the neighbors would have been like, oh yeah, that's Johnny.
Like, okay, we're fine with him taking a couple bucks.
Courts didn't care.
They didn't see it that way.
Those things are dumb.
So that was good, the crime reform stuff that Trump had done.
kash patel
Yeah, but the problem is overcorrection, at least in the law enforcement area, in the judiciary, right?
Drugs become a problem, they overcorrect.
20-year minimum mandatory sentences for If you're caught with this amount of this or this amount of that.
That's a lot of time that most people like Tim said don't know about.
It's an overcorrection.
Same thing with gun control, right?
I think it's going to get to a point where there'll be an overcorrection instead of the right correction because it'll be political and not the one that people actually want and it's going to get messy.
ian crossland
What do you think would be like the right correction or a good or gun control?
kash patel
For gun control?
I mean, look, I'm a big 2A guy.
I'm all for it.
But I think while I agree that we have background checks, I think our background check system
isn't good.
It's run by the government and it's not done the way it needs to be done.
I mean, that is, like, the FBI runs it, or ATF, or whatever, right?
But there can be a better system of screening, take another day or two, and build a better algorithm to screen out people with prior activities, prior hits, prior contacts with law enforcement, mental illness issues, things like that.
People keep saying, oh, we have background checks.
Well, you can have background checks if they suck, then what's the point?
That's step one.
tim pool
Do they suck?
I mean, the first time I went to buy guns, I was on the mandatory wait.
I was delayed.
kash patel
Sure, sure.
I think there's a lot of good intentions in the background check system.
Sure, sure.
It's putting you on a wait list for the government to give you a response.
It's kind of standard operating procedure.
tim pool
I think there's a lot of good intentions in the background check system.
I think reforming it would give you the exact same results.
kash patel
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, it's government, man.
There's some things I'm okay with when it comes to government, but I'm like, if it's not working now, what can we do to fix it?
Well, I certainly think it's worth looking at trying to fix, for sure.
I just think it will devolve.
It'll start off really great, and then after a little while, it'll start to break down.
But, you know, I will say this.
I'm in favor.
I would actually agree.
I'll kind of, you know, simmer down a little bit.
I think one of the problems we have with government is that we create a program and then walk away from it.
And then what happens is it starts to fester and rot.
If we came back every couple of years and said, let's start it over and reassess, we could actually adapt.
And if we're looking at our background checks through the NICs, when you buy a gun, and we're like, how is it not working?
What can we do to make it work better?
And then we just adapt and move what we're already doing, I think we could maybe improve it for sure.
unidentified
Let me ask you this.
So what do you think the background checks that we have right now are missing?
kash patel
Data.
Hard data about contacts with law enforcement and individuals who've had run-ins with mental hospitals and mental health issues.
That's one of the biggest, you know, things.
And now that with the advent of social media, we're not capturing all the flags of these guys putting up, you know, you can put up whatever you want on social media.
Well, not on Twitter, but on Truth You Can.
And you can say whatever you want, but if you're out there, you know, screaming with guns on social media about attacking someone, that's got to be flagged somehow.
And that algorithm has to be better.
to capture that data to give it to the government to put in that database to screen off of because
every one of these serial uh you know massacres they all have one unifying connection and that
unidentified
is a mental health issue of some sort. But what sort of what sort of contact with law enforcement
would you flag as being justified to remove somebody's constitutional rights? Yeah that's
kash patel
So not just any contact, but if you had contact and the person was, appeared mentally ill, then you had them referred for mental health referral and balance check, then yeah, then that should be, when they go to buy a gun, I'm not saying they should be denied.
I'm saying that information should be in the system so someone can go look at it and say, okay, should we give this person a gun?
Let's go check on him.
Let's go pull all his social media.
Let's go see what he's been saying.
That's all.
I'm not saying you can't get it, but it needs to be better.
unidentified
So it's like a type of red flag law, is kind of what you're saying.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't think it works, man.
I don't know.
Look, so you have to quantify mental illnesses.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
It's not just any mental illness.
And then you've got the issue of you're getting dangerously close to free speech.
People can post things and then what, a background check gives arbitrary authority to some agency that's unseen to be like, we just think this guy's no good.
I already think it was bad.
That when I went to buy a weapon, so we get, we get death threats.
I mean, it's been, you know, we have, we have these issues.
I want to take care of myself, protect myself.
I go to the gun store and they're like, fill out the forms.
They said, you're delayed.
We'll let you know.
Why?
I am a law-abiding citizen, I have no history of mental illness, there's nothing on my record, but I get delayed.
Now imagine, they start using people's speech against them, all of a sudden now people are having their constitutional rights curtailed, but not even their constitutional rights, their God-given rights to defend themselves from some of these crazy people, from lunatics, or just to keep and bear arms.
I mean, regardless, you have a right, regardless of government, in my opinion, to do it.
It gets dangerous when Already, there is, I think it's the FBI that does it, that does the National Instant Check System or whatever it's called.
It's already bad enough they could deny you and you don't know why.
It happened to James O'Keefe, he got put on the list, remember this?
They just arbitrarily put him on the list and he couldn't buy a weapon, he had to file a lawsuit.
Fortunately, he has the support to actually do that.
This is why I don't know if there's actually a solution outside of cultural issues.
Because we can talk about all of these things we can do, but then you take a look at this dude in Texas, and first of all, how did he afford this 8,000 dollars in weaponry or whatever?
The money should have been a barrier, but it wasn't.
Then he passes the background checks.
What could have been done?
The left says ban the AR-15.
So then he buys an AK.
ian crossland
That's not going to work.
tim pool
You're not saying anything.
They say do background checks.
He passed a background check.
Do better background checks.
And then what?
Regular people all of a sudden can't defend themselves?
Look, the end result of what the democratic position is... I shouldn't say the left.
I apologize for that because leftists like guns.
I always got to correct myself.
They do.
They're big on guns.
The end result is just ban all guns.
That is the only thing.
And even that won't work because 3D printed guns exist.
And you can make a gun out of 3D printed material.
You don't need much metal other than the firing pin, a thumbtack, or something.
unidentified
Well, even in addition to that, I mean, we already have more guns in this country than we have people.
Do you think all those people are going to get rid of the guns because you pass a law?
tim pool
No, they're going to lose them in boating accidents.
unidentified
I mean, do you think everybody who had a bump stock turned it in because the government said, nope, can't have it?
tim pool
Hey, and that was Trump.
unidentified
And there was one jurisdiction where they had a thing where you could return.
I don't know if it was a buyback or not, but they wanted you to return in your bump stocks.
And out of the entire city, they got seven.
Wow.
What do you think happened to all the other ones?
tim pool
I heard somebody on Twitter and they said, you know, we need, we need gun buybacks.
We need, we need buybacks.
kash patel
Who's going to buy them?
tim pool
The government.
And they said, they said, no, no, they were like $5,000 per gun.
And I was like, dude, do you, I'll go to the gun store and buy a gun for a couple hundred bucks and then bring it in for five grand.
Are you nuts?
I guess, I guess their idea is like, yeah, then the government basically buys every gun from every gun store and there's no guns.
No, then people start 3D printing them and turning them in for five grand.
Hey, it's ten bucks in plastic, and now I got, you know, it doesn't work, man.
unidentified
But that's the thing, they're already there, so all it's gonna do is create a black market.
tim pool
Yep, and then that's even worse.
unidentified
If somebody wants to find a gun, they're gonna find a gun.
If somebody wants to kill, they're gonna find a way to kill.
So we gotta start addressing the cultural...
The cultural aspects of this and people's behavior.
What's triggering people now that these young kids want to start slaughtering their classmates when this hasn't been a precedent in the United States until, what, 1999?
We've had guns in the schools and guns in kids' hands since the 1800s.
This is a very recent problem.
ian crossland
I'm looking at the pharmaceutical industry and kids on Klonopin when they're 12 or 14.
Well, Butyrin, Prozac.
Adderall.
Adderall.
My gosh.
Adderall.
It's an amphetamine.
And then the kids don't have emotions.
They never cried it out when they were 13 because they didn't feel the tear.
They didn't feel it.
And now they're lashing out like wild, mindless, or emotionless rather.
tim pool
Giving kids amphetamines.
Or SSRIs.
Just all of this stuff that kids are being pumped full of.
And I also gotta say, social media.
We talk about the media aspect of this, how these shooters think they're gonna get notoriety, but it's also... I don't know much about this, maybe you guys saw this, where people on Discord were apparently egging this guy on.
You see this stuff.
I've seen posts before where people are like, you know, do it, you're a loser, you won't do it, and they try and egg him on.
kash patel
That's not helpful.
ian crossland
It feels like it's so entrenched.
I'm like, OK, you could homeschool your kids, arm the teachers, and take the kids off of psychoactive pharmaceuticals.
But that's like, all right, Titanic, you're about to hit the iceberg.
Turn left.
It sounds like, first of all, how in the hell are you going to do all that?
The pharmaceutical industry, it feels like, from my perspective, that it's so entrenched in our existence at this point.
I don't know how many billion dollar industry it is.
And the way Pfizer just ran the COVID response, Seemingly, like they were in charge somehow.
A corporation was in charge.
I don't know how to get pharmaceuticals out of 12-year-olds' hands exactly.
unidentified
It's a scary reality, man.
kash patel
You gotta educate the parents.
tim pool
I'd be willing to bet that if you start talking about the pharmaceutical role and what's been happening in this country, the dramatic spike... I'd be willing to bet this.
Maybe I'm wrong.
There is going to be a visible correlation between the increase in medicating children and the increase in violent outbursts, general violence, and maybe mass shootings or things like this.
General violence.
Because I think the drugs are messing kids up.
But if you start talking about that, you know that Big Pharma's funding all of these networks.
They're not gonna say it.
You know, have you ever seen that meme where it's like, you know, local news brought to you by Pfizer.
It's like CNN brought to you by Pfizer and ABC and all that stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
You're not going to be on one of these big networks badmouthing the pharmaceutical companies.
Or scaring.
Or scaring parents.
ian crossland
Which is odd, because it is... I mean, it's gotta be the pharmaceuticals.
It's gotta be the drugs.
It's gotta be psychoactive drugs on the 14, 15-year-old kids.
What else?
I mean, it's driving them insane.
tim pool
I don't know if it has to be.
I think it plays a role.
I think social media plays a huge role, man.
unidentified
I think it's a combination of factors, but what frustrates me the most is that for many people on the left, their only response is to want to confiscate guns and... Wait.
ian crossland
Liberals.
unidentified
Liberals, excuse me, excuse me, liberals, is to curtail the civil rights, to curtail the constitutional rights of people who have committed no crime at all.
We have some, so if we're looking at a scale of things that are reasonable versus not reasonable, it seems that would be very reasonable to suggest, hey, why don't we lock down our schools and have a single point of entry, single point of exit, and a security guard?
That's something very easy that we could do.
That's something that would be incredibly cost effective given how much money we spend on other things like $40 billion to Ukraine.
And every single time we propose a common-sense solution, you know, they dig their heels into the ground and they say no.
Their only answer is gun control.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
And gun control, it just doesn't do anything.
ian crossland
I'm really concerned about, I think you mentioned red flag laws earlier, and like, if someone has a medical marijuana card and the government has it scheduled as a narcotic for some freaking reason... Yeah, you're out.
tim pool
If you get... This is really messed up.
If you have a medical marijuana card, you can't get a gun.
kash patel
As it currently stands, yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And I remember I was in California and I was skating in Venice and there are these guys that stand outside of these shops and they're all like, yo, yo, weed card, weed card, weed card.
And I'm skating and the dude goes, bro, bro, bro, come here, come here.
And I was like, I stopped.
What happened?
He goes, you got your weed card yet?
And then I was like, I was like, what do I need a weed card for?
And he's like, oh, medical marijuana, dude.
He's like, you got to get medical marijuana, man.
And then I was like, I don't need it. And he goes, Oh, no, you got something. We're
gonna talk to the doctor, man. You don't know until you talk to the doctor. And then
I was like, I'm healthy and I got nothing wrong with me. And he goes, you skateboard, your feet hurt.
And I was like, I mean, sometimes like, Oh, dude, you need weed. You got to come and talk to the
doctor five bucks.
ian crossland
I got my medical card in San Francisco. And they're like, so what's the problem?
I was like, I'm stressed.
He was like, what's, what's stressing you out?
I was like, the federal reserve has a monopoly on our monetary system.
And the guy was like, signed.
He just gave it to me.
tim pool
But now you can't get a gun.
ian crossland
Well, not in California.
I don't know.
Maybe not in California.
I don't know my license anymore, but I don't know how those laws work.
tim pool
It's crazy.
I don't know how absolute it is.
It might be if like you're a current user, those cards can disqualify you.
If you have a card, do you see what they do?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And how many people were like, oh yeah, I'll get a card, it's five bucks, I might not use it, and boom, now it's like, you gotta put that on the form and they're gonna deny you.
The background check form you fill out asks you if you've used drugs.
So what?
ian crossland
But not alcohol?
Doesn't mention alcohol or doesn't mention pharmaceuticals either?
tim pool
Well, hold on.
lydia smith
It does mention alcohol.
tim pool
The good news is there is an exemption, okay?
If you're Hunter Biden.
unidentified
Hunter Biden.
Yeah.
You just got to toss your illegally purchased firearm into a dumpster.
tim pool
So for those that don't know, he lied on his form and then his wife did it or something.
She threw it in a garbage can.
unidentified
A dumpster behind a school.
So insanely illegal.
tim pool
And then Joe Biden comes out and he's like, I care about this.
Like, no you don't.
Arrest your kid and then we'll talk.
kash patel
No, no, Joe Biden, while this was going down, he was on another network giving a speech or something unrelated to this.
Just flip the roles.
If there was a school shooting massacre and Donald Trump didn't stop everything he was doing, rightly so, and shift to the school shooting, stop whatever event he was at, but Joe Biden, like you said, he doesn't care.
He was out reading some teleprompter somewhere while 20 children just got murdered.
If he really cared, you stop and you get your ass down to Texas, And you say, I'm here, I care.
tim pool
He didn't go to Waukesha.
kash patel
He didn't go to Waukesha?
tim pool
He's like, oh, I'm busy.
And then what does he do?
He comes out and he's like, we're deer, we're in Kevlar!
It's like, dude, are you hunting deer with handguns?
What do you mean by this?
I'm sorry, they're not saying anything.
They're not saying this.
I genuinely want the violence to stop.
I want to solve this, okay?
And so, I am not a gun expert, but I know a little bit more than the average person, and I own several.
And so, having been to the range, having talked with instructors, having been given instruction, having learned about the laws and having to deal with it myself, I'm like, hmm, interesting.
And then every single liberal that I talk to about this will say something that makes no sense.
Like there was that famous news video, I think it was CNN, I'm not sure, they said fully semi-automatic, not a thing.
They think silencers are pew, pew, pew.
They've never actually heard what it's suppressing.
They've watched a movie though.
They've watched a movie and pew, pew.
They think these things.
And then it's just fascinating when they say ban the AR-15 and I'm like...
You're not saying anything.
How do we... I don't know how to solve this, man.
If you can't actually engage... I made a tweet about it.
I said, with all of the death and destruction, it's time to do the only logical thing and implement gun policy based on the opinions of people who've never handled or researched guns.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
The Democratic Party.
There you go.
kash patel
I'm glad we solved the 2A issue tonight.
tim pool
I'm at the point now when they come out with these emotional attacks or whatever, I'm just like, I literally don't care.
You're not going to come to me and I'm tired of playing this and I'm not going to pander to anybody.
You know what's really funny is every single time Everyone addresses a school shooter.
They go deep into this psychopath, this deranged person.
We get it.
Like, Ted Cruz is talking to a journalist, and he's like, this psychotic, this psychopath, and I'm like, that's what everybody does.
And it's predictable they do this, but we all know, no one is going to, no one in good faith is going to be like, Ted Cruz didn't think the person was crazy.
We know these people are crazy.
We all get that.
unidentified
But it's going to be tough to find a solution when one party has no vested interest or no real interest in actually resolving the issue.
They just want gun control.
So it's hard to have an honest conversation.
They're never going to come to the table and accept the fact or publicize the fact that 89% of all gun deaths in the United States are due to gang violence and suicides.
You know, school shootings are an incredibly rare event.
Gun deaths in general, outside of suicides and gang violence, are an incredibly rare event.
But given how the media covers it, you'd think that we have a crisis of mass proportions in the United States.
Even if you look at it on a per capita basis, you know, deaths per 100,000, the United States doesn't even rank in the top 10 for mass shootings.
tim pool
Yeah, and it's mostly with handguns.
Most mass shootings are handguns.
And we never talk about Chicago.
And this is another, it's like a cliche response you'll get from a lot of people, especially on the right.
But I get it.
You know, look, kids dying is a shock to the system.
I understand why we talk about that, for sure.
But we do have mass shootings all the time in Chicago, in Baltimore, in Detroit, in these cities.
No one seems to care about them.
unidentified
So I guess black lives don't really matter to him, huh?
tim pool
Well, did you see that video where the guy walks up to the hospital where everyone's got the signs and he says, do black lives matter?
And they're like, yes.
And he's like, what about the babies that are being aborted?
He's like, yeah, I didn't think so.
So I certainly think when they call Candace Owens a white supremacist, these are not serious people.
When Larry Elder is the black face of white supremacy, these are not serious people.
Yo, I would love to solve these problems and move this country forward, but it's seemingly impossible.
Now I can, I'll fully recognize there are people on the right who are just as bad.
kash patel
Oh yeah.
tim pool
But the thought leaders within the right are having the conversations.
People like, I'll just shout out, Ben Shapiro's got one of the biggest podcasts in the world.
He is a conservative.
He is a very mainstream traditional conservative Orthodox Jew.
And he is all about having conversations with people.
Why not have those conversations?
Some people do.
But when we try and invite prominent people on the left, they won't do it.
They won't have these conversations.
And when I try to engage with them, they don't have the answers.
They don't have any proposals that make sense.
There's something about the arrogance that we see with the establishment Democrats, and don't get me wrong, the Uniparty Republicans along with them, where there's almost no interest in getting anything done.
Let's jump to this next story, though, while we're talking about getting nothing done.
This is actually something getting done, actually.
TimCast.com reports Oklahoma governor signs law banning abortion from moment of conception.
This is interesting.
They crafted this abortion ban off of liberal arguments, leftist arguments.
They say, House Bill 4327 went into effect immediately upon signing and bans abortion unless the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother or is the result of rape, sexual assault, or incest that has been reported to law enforcement.
Removing a miscarried fetus or ectopic pregnancy will not be considered abortion.
There it is.
Every argument from the left has been addressed.
kash patel
Yeah, it's brilliant.
tim pool
It basically bans elective abortion.
That's it.
This is the only state in the nation to have banned elective abortion.
Most, I believe, there's maybe like a dozen or two states that have elective abortion to the point of viability, or at viability, meaning the baby can survive.
And then you have seven states, plus Washington, D.C., that allow you to abort a baby at nine months.
Now, hold on.
I can already hear the liberals screaming, I did not say it is a common occurrence.
That is not my point.
My point is it is illegal, and so it happens sometimes.
I don't care if it's rare.
If it's not an issue and it's not happening all the time, why is it legal?
Why should it be allowed?
Additionally, as for this law, this appears to be the majority opinion of this country.
That people want abortion to be legal only in certain circumstances.
Well, here it is.
This is what Oklahoma's done, right?
ian crossland
I thought that... maybe I'm wrong.
Roe v. Wade?
Does that not protect... or does that not say that the states cannot ban abortion?
tim pool
It certainly does.
ian crossland
So how is this guy signing a bill that bans it?
tim pool
The same way that California doesn't enforce immigration laws.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
That's right.
unidentified
California... Sanctuary status.
tim pool
They're a sanctuary state and they will not cooperate or work with federal law enforcement.
ian crossland
You know, I respect the state's rights to do that.
It's not even about if I agree with it or not.
I respect that that's how the United States works.
That's pretty cool.
tim pool
Yeah, I absolutely don't.
I do not.
ian crossland
You don't like that governors can go rogue?
tim pool
I don't like the governors can go rogue.
ian crossland
They got to because DeSantis, man, he was like a beacon during the COVID pandemic.
Florida thrived.
tim pool
Sure, there's differences between Florida being like, we're not going to agree with federal guidelines on a lot of these things and we're going to run our state the way we want.
There's another thing when At a federal level, when it comes to things like illegal immigration, or slavery, or abortion, we're like, there are certain things that this country has made illegal.
Now, the reason why I don't like it is if you look at what California's done, By not enforcing immigration law, they inflate their population to a certain degree, and then congressional seats are apportioned based on population size.
unidentified
And electoral college.
tim pool
And electoral college means California got an extra vote in the presidency.
So when people say illegal immigrants vote, let me correct you, they do not individually go out and vote, but it doesn't matter.
We elect our president through the Electoral College.
They don't need to vote.
Their presence grants an extra vote to California.
Now, California lost a vote, I think, in the last—due to the last census.
But before this, constantly just allowing people to come in, granting them free health care, they're putting a strain on the surrounding states.
And imagine you are, you know, Nevada or Idaho or Arizona, and you've got people going into California,
staying there in violation of the law, and then they can cross over from the West into your state
that's already dealing with a border crisis.
That's an issue for other states that's infringing upon those states' rights.
This is the kind of issue that literally resulted in the Civil War.
The South, they had slaves, and they said the North should abide by federal law, right?
Well, the federal law had the Fugitive Slave Act, and the North was not abiding by it.
I mean, that I agree with.
I think the problem, I think slavery should have been abolished.
The issue for the South, though, was that if the federal government was not going to be able to enforce these laws, then why should there be a union at all?
Well, there you go.
kash patel
Well, that's the issue.
It's the federal government.
So, you know, the Tenth Amendment, reserve power, states should be able to do all these things X, Y, and Z that are not granted in the Constitution of the federal government.
So I think a hybrid of what you guys are saying is sort of workable.
The problem with the sanctuary state staying on the immigration issue is that it's not being enforced.
Like, the federal government could go and enforce the law in California.
They are electing not to do that.
They are electing to break their own federal our own federal statutes that's my problem because they agree with the policy decision in California that overrides a federal statute someone should be going to jail on this and enforcing this law and allowing our immigration authorities to go in there
And not do that.
But the way they work it is they basically go into all the jails when illegal immigrants come over and make first contact with law enforcement, and the ICE detainers aren't applying.
They're just like, we're not doing it.
We are literally, we California, are not doing it.
It's a federal offense.
Someone should go prosecute the governor.
tim pool
I suppose, you know, we can say this too, just looking back on what I literally said, it's an issue of our personal morals and worldviews as to what we think is fair and acceptable.
ian crossland
Yeah, because weed, for instance, California was like, it's legal here and the feds aren't gonna, we're gonna protect you from the feds.
That was basically, and then the feds were like, all right, they proved their point.
We're not messing with California anymore.
tim pool
No, that's not true.
ian crossland
Well, for the most part.
tim pool
Yeah, I think Obama was like, send in the troops.
ian crossland
Kind of.
unidentified
The D.A.
tim pool
was storming Spencer's?
unidentified
It laxed.
ian crossland
When I was there in 2006, it was very dangerous to have a weed card, but then by 2010, it was totally cool.
tim pool
There are some instances, I suppose.
I think the illegal immigration issue is probably what I mostly disagree with, and I think maybe the states asserting themselves is probably a good thing, so maybe I'll walk back a little bit.
The thing about the illegal immigration is that it affects the entirety of the country in a very serious, negative way politically.
It actually takes congressional seats from somewhere else and gives it to a state.
So it's almost like stealing influence.
Whereas the weed thing isn't that big of a deal.
And like I was just saying, you know, when the North was refusing to return slaves, that was a good thing.
The North saying, screw you, we don't care about your law.
Okay, that I agree with.
So maybe there are positions where the states should say screw off to the federal government.
ian crossland
Could the federal government just refuse to acknowledge the population growth of California if they know that there's illegal immigration?
unidentified
Well, that's what the Trump administration tried to do with how they were doing the census back in 2020.
They wanted to not include illegal aliens.
kash patel
Right.
So that's the whole point of the census.
It goes to the Electoral College and a couple other things.
But that's what he tried to do.
The census was basically saying, you're counting them wrong.
You're counting illegal people in the census.
And the census is supposed to count Americans because We only have X amount of electoral votes.
There's no new ones.
It's not like you're getting another one.
Like Tim said, I think what most people don't get is it's not like California got a plus one and everybody else stayed the same.
Somebody lost one.
That's the problem.
That was the matter that Trump was trying to take on.
He's like, why should they lose one if their population is remaining the same and another population is increasing with illegally present individuals?
That was the heart of the matter.
ian crossland
And they didn't want to like show who was legal.
They didn't want people coming in being like, show me your papers because they thought it was like Nazi Germany and people would get arrested, families get broken up.
And that's why there was so much resistance to it.
tim pool
Yeah, I think that that's a lie.
I think they know exactly what they're doing.
kash patel
Like California?
Oh yeah, for sure they do.
tim pool
But they'll come out and be like, it's racist.
kash patel
It's easy.
It's easy to say it.
And it works.
You know, all the headlines.
Everybody's a racist if you're not for illegal immigration.
I'm for legal immigration, and I'm just not for illegal immigrants wrecking our society.
tim pool
What's your ethnic background?
kash patel
Indian.
tim pool
So you're the Indian face of white supremacy.
kash patel
Yeah, I'm brown lives matter.
tim pool
How do regular people fall for that stuff, right?
Calling Larry Elder the black face of white supremacy is just nuts.
unidentified
But it's just easy.
kash patel
It's just an easy epithet that's meaningless.
And it's like we were talking about earlier.
It doesn't solve anything.
No one's having an actual conversation.
They're just like, oh, that sounds cool.
Let me go blast it on social media and get popular.
unidentified
It's used so much now, though, that it's lost all of its meaning.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think it's Roman supremacy.
We talk about empires and how empires fall, but the Roman Empire is still so heavily entrenched.
The Roman Catholic Church, the Roman... I don't know where else you want to go with it, but... Why the Romans?
The Roman Empire.
We're basically the vestige of the Roman Empire right now.
The Roman Catholic Church is basically the Holy Roman Empire that lasted for another thousand years after the Roman Empire fell apart.
tim pool
Maybe a little too... And then they call it white.
...derivative.
I mean, if you want to go back, you can keep going back beyond that and talk about all the other cultures and everything.
unidentified
You could.
ian crossland
The Romans were pretty unique in history.
Like, white... We talk about white supremacy.
It's really Roman supremacy.
The slavish state of the Roman Empire.
tim pool
I don't agree.
kash patel
I'm seeing a lot of that tonight.
ian crossland
There wasn't?
kash patel
What's in your water?
ian crossland
I mean, the Europeans were, you know, it's an amalgamation of the Roman holdovers.
tim pool
It fractured.
They all became their kind of similar but different, you know, cultures.
Then we got colonization.
It's a really interesting history.
It's fascinating.
The Roman Empire breaks up.
Then you get all these, you know, countries emerge, sharing a language in some ways and not in others.
Then they go off and colonize other areas, compete with each other, going to war.
It is pretty crazy.
ian crossland
Yeah, they took Germany, France, and Spain, and Italy, the Romans, and then, of course, the Empire.
tim pool
But I just think there is a majority privilege, right?
I think when you look to any country, the people who look mostly like each other typically are, you know, more likely to work with each other.
In China, they're all racist to people who aren't Chinese.
So these things, they happen, but To blindly just come out when someone has a legitimate critique or political concept and to insult them as racist, to call, to say simultaneously that only white people can be racist, but Candace Owens is a white supremacist, I'm just kind of like, you lost me because I don't think you're actually saying words anymore.
I think it's just a cult.
kash patel
Well, I'm not a racist.
I'm just a genocidal dictator.
Remember they skipped the racist thing.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Daily Beast said that.
kash patel
So, you know, I wonder what it feels like to be called a racist.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
You think we're all a little racist?
Small r, racist?
I think that you're right more that it's more about familiarity bias.
People aren't necessarily racist, just whatever you've been around is what you're comfortable with.
kash patel
Yeah, when my family first came here, my dad, his eight brothers and sisters, and their wives or husbands and their kids in one, you know, one place.
I don't know that we were racist, but they didn't know the world.
They hung out with Indian people, not because they didn't want to hang out with other people.
They just didn't know what the heck to do.
My mother wore a sari to the grocery store for 10 years because she didn't know what else to wear.
unidentified
I would like to go on record and just say, I hate everybody equally.
kash patel
That's smart.
unidentified
There you go.
ian crossland
There you go.
tim pool
Let's just totally jump onto a different subject.
I want to talk about what's going on with Sussman, the Clinton campaign, and all that stuff.
So we have this story from CNN, and it's from May 17th.
Just something to kick things off.
Prosecutors say Clinton campaign lawyer tried to manipulate the FBI with Trump-Russia tip as first Durham trial opens.
So we've heard a lot about this, the trial of From, you know, Sussman, Michael Sussman.
Do you want to break down what this is all about?
What's the elevator pitch on this story for people who aren't familiar with what's going on right now?
kash patel
Alright, let me give you the triangle.
And the quick and dirty is, it's all up for free at durhamwatch.com on FightWithCash.
You can literally get everything I'm about to tell you.
All the documents, so you can read them yourselves, all the transcripts, all the judicial pleadings and everything.
Over at DurhamWatch.com.
But here's the triangle, okay, right?
Democratic Party under Hillary Clinton is running for president, and they're like, okay, we are going to do a couple of things.
We are going to run two lines of effort to take out then-candidate Trump.
We are going to use the FBI to do it, we're going to use the media to do it, and then Hillary Clinton is going to be the third piece of that triangle, their campaign.
So, the Steele dossier, we've talked about that in the show before, the hired help from overseas to filtering unverified information to the FBI, the FBI knowingly lying to a federal court to surveil Donald Trump, and of course the Hillary Clinton campaign funded that entire thing.
We know that, we proved that in the Russiagate investigation.
John Durham's next indictment, after this one, is the Danchenko case he's trying in the fall, is the Christopher Steele source, the takedown of that line of effort one.
Line of Effort 2 was the Hillary Clinton campaign on a parallel track running, let's just call it the Alphabank server deal, right?
Because it's just easier to quantify that.
That's what Sussman's on trial for.
Michael Sussman was one of the head lawyers for the Hillary Clinton campaign at this law firm, Perkins Coie, right?
Hillary Clinton campaign paid them 50 to 100 million dollars for services.
They took that money and doled it out to people like Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele, and the Alphabank server.
This parallel track, what were they doing on this?
They said, okay, the Steele dossier route isn't enough, we need a backup.
So they went out and hired this tech guy, Rodney Jaffe, okay?
basically said we need you to go find a connection between Trump and Russia and
here's where we want you to do get technical get us computer details that
show Trump Tower is connected to Russia through this bank right so so they're
they're fabricating a narrative literally and And what's come out in this trial is exactly that.
The information was taken to the FBI and the FBI said the next day they knew it was false.
That's what the agent testified to during this case.
tim pool
And so Russiagate should have stopped immediately?
kash patel
Well, Russiagate should have stopped, but it didn't because you had a couple of corrupt FBI cops, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, this Hyde guy, who were running the whole thing.
But not only were they running it internally, they were running it with the media.
What came out in this trial is all these guys At Michael Sussman, Fusion GPS, Hillary Clinton, they were all meeting with the media.
They were sending Christopher Steele to meet with the media.
They were sending Rodney Jaffe to meet with the media.
Why?
Circular reporting.
The FBI was like, oh look, look what CNN's publishing.
Must be true.
We have a source that says that.
Here's the kicker of the whole thing.
Both Christopher Steele and Rodney Jaffe, FBI sources.
The entire time.
And they both got fired.
Why?
For leaking to the media.
But here's what the FBI did.
They kept taking their intel.
To prosecute their case against Donald Trump once he became president.
So it is a it is the biggest criminal enterprise in U.S.
history.
From my perspective as a former federal prosecutor, I'm probably biased because the Russiagate, you know, living through that, you know, running that investigation.
But it's a story that needs to be told.
And I think the only way going to sort of the accountability portion, because You can run constitutional oversight in Congress and we got 17 people fired, including Comey.
Okay, that's a start.
What John Durham has done is basically mobilized this thing and said, okay, I'm going to take some people out with indictments.
tim pool
So the Russia collusion narrative is false? 100%.
We learned that with the end of the Mueller probe right away, that it was a lot of nonsense.
kash patel
He said it too, yeah.
tim pool
But you, I think you along with Devin Nunes, you know, you had a report basically a year before the end of the Mueller probe, I think it was.
So we've consistently learned that something was just not true in all of this.
But now we actually have in the investigation that from the get-go, FBI knew it was not true, a lot of this information.
Did Hillary Clinton directly know what they were doing in terms of fabricating the narrative?
kash patel
And here's the kicker.
tim pool
Just real quick, yes, she did?
Yeah, she did.
kash patel
But the kicker is, we knew it, we were able to prove it with classified information, documents that were coming in slowly, but we couldn't tell the world.
What happens now?
Hillary Clinton's campaign manager from 2016, Robby Mook, testifies for the defense in the Sussman prosecution, and literally testifies under oath and says, oh yeah, Hillary Clinton not only knew about it, acceded to it and directed us to go and leak this bogus intel to the media.
Wow.
That's the most damning statement to come out of this trial.
tim pool
Watergate on steroids, huh?
kash patel
Yeah, man.
And I think the trial wraps up tomorrow.
And, you know, look, if people want to understand Russiagate, you need to do two things.
Go read the Nunes memo, which we wrote.
Four pages.
It'll take you 12 minutes.
Take 90 minutes of your life and go watch the plot against the president.
tim pool
Is there some kind of, like, What's, how do I describe this?
Is there some reason why the people who believed this are the same people who believed Jussie Smollett?
kash patel
Yeah, look, the one unifying factor on all of this, the one thing that threw the FBI's
top level off and became total partisan hacks was their unified hatred for Donald Trump.
That's what it was.
It has corrupted our law enforcement industry from just the top level.
The main guys, they're great, but here's the thing.
The cast of characters that read the Hillary Clinton email investigation, the server thing, Same FBI agents involved in this case.
And the Steele dossier.
tim pool
Trump derangement syndrome.
ian crossland
Why do they dislike him so much?
kash patel
That I don't know.
I mean, honestly, I can't answer that question.
I have no idea.
But it's never been an issue.
I served in Democratic Justice Departments, Republican Justice.
You just did the mission.
You're just like, this is a job.
This is easy.
This is the fun part.
Go put bad guys away.
They were just like, nope.
King Comey was in there.
Hillary Clinton and the media.
And they were basically like, we are going to take out Trump.
And then once he won, they were like, OK.
We screwed that up, but we're still going to take them out.
And they continue to bogus.
Do you have any idea how much taxpayer money it costs to run these investigations?
You have any idea?
It's hundreds of millions of dollars to do this kind of surveillance work on a target.
It's insane.
And it was all bogus.
tim pool
Now, how much of this is normal politics?
Do they do this all the time?
kash patel
No, no.
I mean, this is that FISA court, the special court, whatever you want to call it.
I used to do it to manhunt terrorists.
That's what it's for, you know, to protect the nation.
It's not for a political campaign to come in and say, we're going to create a national security issue.
And oh, by the way, the target's my political opponent.
tim pool
So why isn't Hillary Clinton in jail?
kash patel
Man, so look, proving that is going to be very hard that she broke a federal law.
Now what you can do and what John Durham's doing, I think, is building a conspiracy case behind these indictments.
Because he said in federal court, in writing, on his pleadings, he said, Judge, there's a joint venture conspiracy.
It's a legal term.
What does that mean?
unidentified
Wow.
kash patel
He's like, Judge.
tim pool
He said that to the judge.
kash patel
Oh yeah!
It's on DurhamWatch.com.
Go get the pleading.
It's his under oath statement.
Basically that's what a pleading is to a federal judge.
And he's saying, not only is Rodney Jaffe the tech guy a target of my investigation, but I am looking at multiple people in the media.
I'm interrogating FBI agents who worked on this case, and also people on the Hillary Clinton campaign.
He can't name those people, but he can give them my title.
And he's telling the world, I'm conducting a criminal conspiracy investigation because this didn't happen with one or two people.
unidentified
So, two-part question for you.
So, what needs to happen, in your opinion, to restore faith in these institutions?
And then what happens to the country if that faith in these institutions isn't restored?
kash patel
What happens is you see a continuation of what's going on right now.
And it doesn't just trickle into just the political sphere.
It trickles into everything.
When they're talking about, is the FBI doing the work across the country to reduce crime?
Whatever type.
Murder, guns, narco trafficking, human trafficking.
Everybody loses faith in their ability just to do those few things.
And then we're just completely screwed.
But the fix is the manpower, right?
Whoever runs these agencies...
You have to go find that guy.
And Chris Wray is definitely not that guy.
The guy who's running it now, he's almost as bad as Comey because he's allowed this entire thing to go on for four or five years now.
And unless you get rid of these guys, but the political leadership doesn't want to.
And this is the problem I have with my DOJ, my former place of work.
They always champion themselves as being like, we're apolitical.
We are historically apart.
We don't take our orders from the president.
Well, you actually do.
And you allowed a presidential political candidate to give you your orders and to pay you and to pay for corruption to take over the top level of the FBI.
And you need accountability.
You need some of those people to be convicted in federal court.
That's a piece of it.
Then you need to put the right people in place.
tim pool
I'm kind of disillusioned, to be honest.
I know, I know.
You know, when the email thing was going on, I love how to, you know, most Democrats, it's a joke.
You know, they have a meme where they, amongst themselves, will say, like, but her emails, whenever something crazy happens, but her emails.
And I'm like, dude, yeah, like someone working in public office destroyed public records.
That's crazy.
They don't care.
kash patel
I know.
tim pool
Like, dude, my attitude is I was always a Trump's-not-that-bad kind of guy.
Like, I didn't vote for him the first time.
Voted for him the second time because Joe Biden was just so awful.
And I liked the second-term agenda.
But I was always, like, very early on when Trump was running and everyone was screaming about him, I was always like, yeah, but Trump's not that bad.
I mean, like, this is crazy.
He's worse than Hitler?
What are you talking about?
Calm down, dude.
unidentified
Well I think part of the problem people have is the double standard.
I read a story about a naval officer, he was on a submarine, and took a photo of where he worked, his sub, in a hallway, nothing classified, just to show his kid.
And it got out that he had taken this photo, and because it's all classified, they indicted him, he was prosecuted, I think he did a little bit of jail time for one single photo that wasn't exposing anything sensitive at all.
Meanwhile, you have Hillary Clinton who had a private server with God knows how many emails, what, 30,000 emails on it.
And not only was all of this classified information, and information that was born classified, on this server, but this server was exposed to other nations and we had vulnerabilities to where, she had vulnerabilities to where all of this documentation was available to China, to Russia, to people who could weaponize that information against the United States.
So when people look at those two circumstances, you got a guy who just wanted to show a picture to his kid, he did jail time, and then this offense and absolutely nothing is going to happen to this person.
It just, it, it, it's, it, I can see how the country would be disillusioned in thinking that we're basically a banana republic where if you're a certain part of the political class, if you come from a certain pedigree, then you're above the law and the rest of us just have to deal with it.
tim pool
Wasn't there some guy who went on Reddit, and he was like, I need to figure out how to delete emails from a VIP, do you know about this story?
kash patel
For Hillary Clinton's server?
Oh yeah, there was like, literally smashing of servers, there was people like, Googling how to delete stuff.
tim pool
There was a guy, people using hammers on phones, but there was one story, I don't know if it's verified or whatever, but someone apparently, this is the story, okay, so.
Somebody went on reddit and said I need to find a way to remove someone from a bunch of emails They're very VIP And then once the email like so it was like it was an old post someone found it and they were like yo I think this is the guy who works for Hillary who was posting this so I as an old story I don't know the full details on but there was tons of stuff like that the very least that smashing cell phones and the hammer It's the yeah It's the doesn't do anything. It's stupid, but it's fine.
ian crossland
When I saw Hillary's emails released to the public through WikiLeaks, and I read about Sidney Blumenthal talking to
her like so many emails between her and Sidney Blumenthal and
his company, Osprey Global Solutions. They're like, Hillary,
you know, when we get into Libya, we're gonna set up Osprey to run guns basically for this new puppet government that
you're going to set up.
So she's like, all right, Sid.
And she sends it over to her, whoever, her manager or assistant or whatever, to read these.
Like, so she's basically took us to war to set her buddy up with an arms deal.
I mean, and so I read that.
I was like, well, logic dictates I will not vote for that.
I don't, I no longer support that.
Maybe it's always been that corrupt, but I mean.
There's some sunshine.
tim pool
Let's throw some shade at the media real quick. One of my favorite moments was when I think it was in the 2016
debates. Trump says Hillary Clinton acid washed her server.
And NBC News issued a fact check saying false. Hillary Clinton did not put a corrosive chemical on her computer.
And it was like what? What? That's not what I'm talking about.
That's not what Trump was saying.
ian crossland
That's gotta be the onion.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Who did that?
Yeah, yeah, NBC News.
I think it might have been NBC.
kash patel
Let me... But that's just a piece of it.
That's part of the problem.
You're saying, how do you fix it?
I forgot to address it.
I don't know if you can.
I don't know what's easier to fix.
I think, personally, I could go in and fix the FBI in five months.
I don't know how you fix the media.
You guys are the experts there.
For five years, half the world and half of America thinks Russiagate and Donald Trump actually colluded with Russia.
They are now finally starting to pull back those stories because of these prosecutions.
They knew the facts back then.
They just didn't want to report it.
tim pool
Check this out.
Can we pull this up?
Can we get it?
It says, the claim, Trump says Clinton acid washed her email servers.
The truth.
Clinton's team used an app called Bleach Bit.
She did not use a corrosive chemical.
Nope.
NBC News fact check.
Welcome to the modern media, my friends.
Amazing.
kash patel
And that's the problem.
And how do you fix that?
I don't know the answer to that.
I don't know how you fix the media.
I think that's a harder fix than the government.
ian crossland
Let's talk about one thing is truth social.
unidentified
Heck yeah.
tim pool
So I have Truth Social here, and this is what my Truth Social dashboard looks like.
So when Cash got here, you mentioned truth.
You were, like, truthing something.
I think the branding is bad, by the way.
Like, truthing it.
I don't know.
But, you know, I just got to be honest.
ian crossland
All right.
I was thinking confirm could be a good one.
I'll confirm it.
And then how many confirmations did you get?
That'd be cool.
kash patel
You should have just shouted that out when Trump was on the phone before the show.
tim pool
Yo, Trump, get better branding!
I heard a great meme.
They were like, Trump should have called it kafifi.
That's crazy.
Everyone would have wanted the KofiFi app like I gotta get it. It would have been Trump's
But so so you mentioned, you know getting truth social and I got it. I gotta be honest engagement is nuts
It's great people on truth social because I was ragging on it a while ago because it was like locked up and nobody was
using It Trump wasn't even on it now. It's flowing. I went I went
and looked at it and All of a sudden I have like all of these I posted something
nonsensical and I get all these crazy You know comments and I start looking at other users and
seeing this massive engagement that I didn't see before So before the show, you mentioned, I'm like, I don't have an iPhone.
And you were like, just pull up on the browser and I was like, you can do that now?
Pulled up on the browser, and there it is.
Now I can use it in my browser or whatever.
So, Truth Social actually has substantial engagement.
I mean, you were mentioning, you got how many followers?
kash patel
600,000, and I'm not even like... 600,000 followers.
tim pool
And it was at the same time Elon Musk was announcing he was going to buy Twitter.
Truth Social spikes in the app store.
So I'll tell you this, this seems to be, it's almost like, I don't know, a snowball rolling down a hill.
Something that's actually competing with these big tech Silicon Valley platforms.
What I find interesting is the timing of Elon Musk wanting to come in and buy Twitter.
At a time when Truth Social's coming out and basically getting all of these Trump-supporting populist types to join the platform.
If there's one thing that could potentially stop that, it's Elon Musk coming in, pulling Twitter back.
I wonder how much of this was Elon recognizing, he said it, that people are leaving to Truth Social because of the censorship.
I wonder if he was like, I can make money if I stop that and bring these people back, you know?
kash patel
Maybe.
I mean, I don't know what's going to happen on that Twitter deal, but I have to say, as a disclosure, I'm a member of the board of directors for TMTG that owns Truth Social, so no, they don't pay me, I just get to do more work for free.
But basically, actually, while you have your picture up, Tim, so Tim and I, I don't think everybody knows this, we are having a Times Square billboard off.
Oh yes!
I literally have a plot against the king billboard along with a covid jab billboard right next to Tim's billboard but it's mine's only 30 feet not 70 feet so you won this round but uh we why did we did it for the same reason we want to go into the lion's den and be like why can't we blast out we last week we did a whole billboard on russiagate and durhamwatch.com this week we're selling the book the plot against the king why not and it's like you said i don't know that's going to get much you know generate a lot of business but the point is We're there.
tim pool
Oh, here's what I want to point out, too, when you look at this image.
I want you all to understand, here's the billboard, okay?
And you may be wondering, Tim, okay, you got yourself a billboard, that's cool, but, like, what's culture jamming about it?
It's like, what's... You just got a billboard, right?
So I talked about how we never spent any money on marketing for this show until now.
That's right.
And we want to do culture jamming as marketing.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is above the ABC News building.
You can see right here, ABC News, ESPN, with all their fancy marketing and everything.
and I am on top.
kash patel
So, you know.
unidentified
Let's jam.
tim pool
Beep, beep, beep.
So these, many of these blue check journalists, most of them probably don't care.
Some of them are probably fans, they're probably like, cool.
But some of these snooty people, these corporate press, these shills on these morning shows,
they get to walk in in the morning and look up at who's on top of their building.
So it is a simple message to the elites that you are not the elites anymore.
These people who think they're the best, they're the smartest, they're the strongest.
No, no, no, no.
We are coming.
We are asserting ourselves in this space.
I was excited for this one.
I didn't know it was going to go up so early.
It was supposed to go up in four days, but they put it up early.
kash patel
It's good.
And that's why we also gave a nod to Truth Social on one of these billboards that we're doing last week or the next week.
And I gotta bring up how we brought the beginning of the show up again.
So yes, I did agree, and I did ask President Trump to go on Tim Pool, Timcast, and he did say yes.
tim pool
He said it was the greatest show, everyone agrees.
At least that's what he was told.
kash patel
That's what I said.
But there was a, you know, hey, there was a bargain in place.
I'm challenging the Timcasters to go out and buy as many copies of The Plot Against the King as they can, because if they push through, Then I'm going to work my tail off to make sure that Tim Cass with Trump actually happens.
tim pool
That was the quid pro quo.
kash patel
That's an actual quid pro quo!
I'll advertise it as that.
Hell yeah, man.
ian crossland
Where can people buy it?
kash patel
Theplotagainsttheking.com.
There you go.
unidentified
Nice.
kash patel
Very easy.
tim pool
It's Russiagate for kids.
kash patel
It's Russiagate for kids.
How could you not want to read this story?
Adults should read this story.
It's super fun.
There's pictures.
I can read it.
It's at my level.
ian crossland
I got through the first page already.
I liked it.
tim pool
When you were talking to Trump, I could sort of hear some of it.
And I'm like, it has to be fake because it was so perfectly Trump.
unidentified
Oh man.
tim pool
It's like, it sounds like a recording of him, you know, like Cash comes in here and he presses play on a video, like talking to, I'm not gonna, I'm talking to Trump, I swear.
kash patel
Do it now.
tim pool
I can get him on your show, just sell books for me, and then it's like, just a video of Trump.
kash patel
That's a quid pro quo.
I ain't gotta make up for 16 years of being poor in government.
And educating children.
ian crossland
I remember regarding Truth, it had a rocky start because they used Mastodon code, but it's what they had to, it was a free software license code, I don't know what they used exactly, what the licensing code was, but it was, they were supposed to show the software code because they were reusing it, as per the code, and they didn't.
And that really bothered me and set me off.
But the upside is it's using Mastodon code, which means we can federate the thing and create interoperability between networks.
So like if you're logged into Mines or Truth Social or Twitter, if we can get ahold of Twitter's software licensing codes, we'll be able to, you'll be able to message someone on Truth Social from your Twitter account and vice versa and create like a network of networks.
I think Truth will be a great part of that.
unidentified
Does this tie into Graphene?
ian crossland
I'm into that.
I have some right here.
Would you like to tie it into graphene?
I think we're going to start using graphene wiring.
tim pool
Everybody's been ragging on Ian because they're saying borophene is the future and he's living 20 years in the past.
ian crossland
It's the phene.
It's the structure that's important, not necessarily the carbon itself.
Although carbon's pretty cool because if you have this hexagonal lattice structure, nanostructure of like a monoatomic layer of chemicals, apparently boron's equally as cool as carbon.
kash patel
What do you use that for?
ian crossland
So, dude.
Touchscreen wallpaper.
You can make clothing that's touchscreen.
Supercapacitor battery.
Your clothing can be batteries.
If we can get Donald... I think Donald can run on this stuff because this is going to be the industry of the 21st century.
It's going to be the new steel.
People are going to be making buildings out of it.
Wiring out of it.
Touchscreen.
All of this.
And if he can bring enough scientists around to create the greatest graphene... Like, if we can make the greatest graphene production facility on Earth in the United States... I have an idea.
kash patel
Why don't we get When Donald Trump, Devin Nunes and myself do a Timcast live
from one of his properties, we have it sponsored by Graphene and we put it on Truth
Social and then everybody wins.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
There you go.
tim pool
We'll find a company that makes it.
ian crossland
Yeah, we need to start something in the United States that builds it.
tim pool
You know, check this out.
I bought stock.
I bought stock in a company that makes graphene because Ian wouldn't shut up about it.
And it's like one of my only stocks that's still up despite the marketing.
ian crossland
In 2029, we're going to see peak implementation of this stuff.
The problem is the copper industry.
It doesn't want to lose their wiring monopoly.
Big copper!
So that's going to be a challenge to disrupt the copper industry, but we'll be able to repurpose the copper, I think.
You can deposit carbon dioxide, I believe, onto copper and create graphene out of it.
You can actually pull carbon dioxide out of the air and turn it into graphene.
tim pool
You know what would be funny?
kash patel
This guy is like dialed in.
unidentified
He is.
tim pool
You know what would be really funny?
It's like we do a show with Trump and then Ian starts going off on graphene and then Trump just gets zoned in and he's like, tell me more.
And then just like all of a sudden Trump's doing pressers, he's speaking and he's running for office and he's just all about graphene.
The future, the new manufacturing, the new steel.
We're going to bring all these jobs.
Ian is sitting there, you know, just, he retires because he knows he's done everything he needs to do.
It's nothing left.
ian crossland
We'll be able to pull carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere to kind of balance out the carbon emissions type thing.
But we're going to have to be careful that we don't pull too much out too fast and set up an industry that sucks it all out because we'll begin competing with trees.
kash patel
We are going to name you the ambassador for graphene.
ian crossland
Let's do it, baby.
We can help a lot of people.
kash patel
We're a graphene czar, if you prefer.
ian crossland
We can build a space elevator.
kash patel
It's better than the disinformation czar.
tim pool
Just call me Ian.
2024, the votes come in, Ian gets on the phone and says, I want that position as graphene czar, I promise.
ian crossland
I just want to go to space.
unidentified
Graphene ballots.
With watermarks.
tim pool
Well so the original idea I was like, what I wanted to bring up with Truth Social was that it's allowing people to maintain their conversations.
Twitter was trying to silence people, YouTube's trying to silence people.
They're trying to control the narrative to a degree.
I was talking to this guy, I think we're playing on the show, his name is Mike Benz, and he was explaining how the goal of national security officers and things like this and big tech is to censor just enough so you can make your opponents politically ineffective, but not silenced.
Because they know that if you censor people, you get a backlash.
So they watch just a little bit.
Just enough to where they get a head start in the race.
Truth Social is basically cutting that off.
People are able to go back on and follow Trump once again.
And people are posting and sharing what he says.
And I'm seeing journalists.
When Trump re-truthed the words, Civil War, mainstream press was forced to talk about it.
And that puts Truth Social front and center.
The more he does that, the more they're forced to talk about it.
kash patel
And that's why he's never going back to Twitter.
I mean, that and the fact that he owns the company.
But people keep asking me that, and I'm like, no, he's not going back on any other platform.
He doesn't want back on YouTube or Twitter.
I don't even know what the other ones are called.
This is going to be it.
And I think it's going to succeed.
And if you look at the bots we were talking about with Ian and I before, right?
What Elon has done is basically proven the concept that Devin and I proved on the side of Russiagate.
Is Twitter suppressing free speech and are there bots?
The answer to both of those questions was affirmative.
For sure.
Elon has finally put those facts out for the mainstream media and forced them to take them on.
Up to 50% bots?
That's a lot.
And also the freedom of speech suppression.
We can't get that kind of campaign out.
But he's proven that.
And now they have to address it.
Now they hate him for it.
And now the fact that he said he's voting Republican, I think they're going to come after him pretty hard.
But if you can build a company on Truth Social that has 15 million, 20 million people by the end of the year or something like that, that's a company that's legit half as big as Twitter.
tim pool
How many users do you know?
How many users on Truthstream?
kash patel
I know that I think President Trump has like four million.
tim pool
Yeah.
kash patel
Or something like that.
So just do some math.
Maybe there's four to seven on there right now.
tim pool
I bet everybody's following Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So he's got 3.1 million followers.
kash patel
Okay.
And then Android's coming in too.
tim pool
But the engagement is massive.
kash patel
No, it's massive.
tim pool
Take a look at the New York Times on Twitter.
Nobody retweets.
So I can certainly say, like, I never tweet at the New York Times.
There's no conversation there.
So when people are like, no one's responding to them, I'm like, yeah, who cares?
But nobody's even retweeting their stories.
Because I do retweet stories.
When I see a big story, I'll be like, oh, you know.
I basically retweet so that I can come back later and look through the stories that I was seeing.
But people don't even do that for the New York Times.
kash patel
I just put out a truth on the car ride over here for my handle, at Cash.
I was saying I was coming on TimCast.
Thousands of people in the car ride on the way over were responding to that.
Like, physically writing and responding and retruthing and reposting that I was doing the show.
And there was conversations from both sides.
Oh, I hate you, Cash.
I love Tim.
I hate Tim.
Actually, Cash sucks.
And so that's what you want.
That's the whole point.
And it's human beings engaging.
And it's fun.
And the funnest part is these things called piñata farms.
I don't know if you guys...
It's like the beginning of deep fakes.
take real-life movies and they stick your heads on them.
So there's one of like me and Trump perp walking Hillary Clinton out of a detention center.
unidentified
And it's just built into the platform?
kash patel
Well, there's a, yeah, the company has just built it into this thing and now it's all
over the place and it's for anything and everything.
It's hilarious.
ian crossland
That's like the beginning of deep fakes.
They're gonna, people are gonna.
kash patel
But you can tell, it's like a joke.
It's like an oversized head on like a smaller body.
tim pool
Truth social is like.
unidentified
Jib jab.
Jib jab, yeah.
Yeah.
Or the reface app.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Covfefe is trending.
lydia smith
Of course.
tim pool
I just think truth is the perfect, like, it's so Trumpian.
Calling it truth.
ian crossland
Yeah, truth is subjective.
Like what one person believes is true, another person might see differently and think that it's not true, but we're both looking at the same thing.
unidentified
Well, it's kind of an evolution too.
We had the fake news and now we have truth.
It's like dark to light.
It's the yin and the yang.
tim pool
I love that how they tried using fake news against Trump and then Trump turned it around against them.
kash patel
It was brilliant.
tim pool
You are fake news!
kash patel
Yeah.
It was part of the counter-intel operation we ran for the last five years.
I wanted Joe Biden to go and spend a half a million dollars coming up with UltraMAGA.
Then I was going to have President Trump release my book on Truth Social, The Plot Against the King, the very next day.
And we've had the most successful book launch in years.
tim pool
I can't believe they did the ultra MAGA thing.
It's just, they said that the data shows middle America, like suburban people don't like MAGA, and so that's why they're going for it.
But what they never understood, it just shows they never understood the MAGA people, the Trump supporters, the right.
Trump got memed into office.
People were posting jokes.
They were having a laugh, they were having a good time.
The picture, you ever see that picture where Trump is on a tank?
It's like a golden tank or something.
He's like standing, he's like an eagle flying.
It's all funny!
It's just, like, supposed to be crazy.
Or Trump's face as Rocky Balboa with, like, ripped body and everything.
And they think it's real.
They're like, these Trump people are in a cult.
No, they're joking.
ian crossland
I was picturing him coming out on stage, shot on it, and being like, ULTRA MAGA!
And then, like, the fireworks shoot out behind him.
But people would love it, but then I think the media, like, Rachel Maddow would get afraid.
Because they'd be like, oh, it's, Ultra Maga is real.
Like, I don't know, because I want to have fun with it.
It's hilarious.
tim pool
The Ultra Maga King.
ian crossland
Hey, you know why I don't read the New York Times and why I don't repost New York Times?
It's because I got to pay money to read their articles.
Whenever I go to a New York Times article, I can't get past the first paragraph, so I just give up on it and move on.
kash patel
I don't read it because I'm suing them for defamation.
unidentified
Oh, good.
ian crossland
What did they say?
kash patel
Them, Politico, and CNN called me Trump's Ukraine whisperer and injected me into an impeachment fiasco.
And I said, OK, what's that based on?
Like, was there a meeting?
Do you have a witness?
And if you remember, that clown Fiona Hill came in and said, oh, Kash Patel, Ukraine whisperer.
And then, under oath, in front of the world, during the impeachment trial, Fiona Hill goes, well I've never met Cash, we've never spoken, and I don't really know him.
Well then, how am I the guy?
So I'm suing them all, that's what Fight With Cash is all about.
Like, that's my attempt to fix the media, is we're raising money, we're actually suing on behalf of other American citizens who've been defamed.
We cut the check for their lawyers.
ian crossland
We've just been talking about this all week, like, you need, we need to take cases that may not win, just because it's the right thing to do.
tim pool
You, you gotta sue Wikipedia.
kash patel
No, no, I'm on it.
We talked about this.
ian crossland
You are?
kash patel
It's the next one.
It's the next one.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
So, have you heard what I was saying about it?
In the past few episodes, specifically?
kash patel
No, I remember our conversation about it.
tim pool
So, I was talking to a lawyer recently, and they were like, you can't sue Wikipedia, they're protected by Section 230.
You can maybe sue the editors who made the statements.
And I'm like, let's think about this for a second.
Wikipedia, actually, uh, do I have this?
I have National Firearms Act pulled up.
We'll just use this as an example.
It says, from Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia.
That's a byline.
They've, they've asserted it is from them and no one else.
So let's talk about how Wikipedia works.
If you write on Wikipedia, Kash Patel is a lawyer.
That's true, right?
Or was a lawyer?
unidentified
Yeah, was.
kash patel
I guess still technically, but haven't done anything with it.
tim pool
Uh, is a lawyer.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
That's a fact statement.
What if someone then goes in and edits and changes lawyer to dog kicker?
No one called you a dog kicker.
The person who wrote the first sentence called you a lawyer, so you can't sue him.
The person who wrote the single hyphenated word, dog kicker, never said, Kash Patel is, he just wrote one word.
Well, you can't sue him, can you?
He didn't say anything.
The first guy didn't say anything.
And Wikipedia asserts protection under Section 230.
That can't make sense.
kash patel
No, it doesn't.
And that's why, so, that's literally what FightWithKash.com is doing.
I have a Wikipedia page that is literally 50% false.
And so my lawyers got together and were like, no, we can actually take them on.
And they found a way to do this.
And once we go public, I'll tell you how we how we're going to do it.
But the whole point is not for me to start suing.
The whole point is to get everybody else to start suing.
And we've created lawsuits for other Americans who have been defamed by crazy outlets, things like Wikipedia and whatnot.
And we're going to keep we're just going to keep hammering it.
That's the whole point.
That's.
My attempt to fix the media.
I don't know if it's gonna work.
ian crossland
Is it like class action suits?
Or is it an actual bunch of different individual suits?
kash patel
Every individual.
Anywhere can go to the website and literally be like, here's my case summary.
We'll look at it for free.
If there's a cause of action, we're gonna march into court and give you a check.
ian crossland
So they go to fightwithcash.com and sign up to do that?
That's awesome.
unidentified
Nice!
kash patel
It doesn't cost them anything. I mean if they know rich donors we always take those but
But we I personally review every single message that comes is it a 501 c3. Yeah, you know what I'm mostly mad about is
tim pool
that Wikipedia for a long time claimed I invented a live
streaming Zeppelin that would be cool Which I didn't do.
And when I went there and wrote, hey, this is not true.
Like, remove this.
They said, you cannot be a source to this article because you are Tim Pool and you are biased.
So we're leaving in that you invented a Zeppelin.
And I got mad.
After a few years, they got rid of it.
And then I said, you know what?
I'm going to do it.
And so then we built a live streaming Zeppelin, put it up in the air with a Let's Go Brandon flag on it.
And then I said, you know, I didn't go to Wikipedia, but I say to the world, OK, now that it's true, put it back.
I have retroactively made that true, and they won't do it.
kash patel
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, they won't put it back.
It's like locked.
ian crossland
Art imitates life.
tim pool
Well, I don't know where the original source... It's funny that it can sit there for years, and now I actually did it, and we flew this.
We got a ton of views when we did it, too, so it was like hundreds of thousands of people saw it.
unidentified
Come on.
tim pool
We did it.
Take the video, use it as a source, and say, Tim did make a live-streaming Zeppelin.
Come on.
I don't like Wikipedia.
I used to be a big fan.
ian crossland
I like the concept.
It's too easy to game, it feels like right now.
kash patel
It's a ton of fake news.
ian crossland
I tried to explain Hillary's emails, for instance, on Wikipedia.
I was like, I'll make an edit so that I can tell people about Sydney's Osprey Global Solutions.
And after I did it, within eight seconds it was removed.
I was like, well, but that was true information and now it was removed.
unidentified
Who controls content on Wikipedia?
Aren't there only a handful of editors on any page?
tim pool
Anybody can edit, but you can earn privileges.
So some people have more power than others.
When you go to high profile accounts, there's going to be a firm that has editor access that's going to control.
unidentified
So what do you got to do to earn that access?
kash patel
Lie a lot.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's probably, I don't, I don't know how Wikipedia works with it.
I think it's like a certain amount of time and edits made earns you more and more status or whatever.
Yep, a lot of fake news, a lot of lies, and it's because the people who dedicate their time to that, for the most part, there's some good editors and there are a lot of bad editors, and it is companies that are paid, and there's going to be a tendency towards establishment if that's the case.
Let's go to Super Chats!
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Let's read what we got here.
WootDoo4U says, each of the cops should be charged with malice murder of a minor.
Uh, AC Your says, this is murder.
Wow.
Roberto Laura says the police and politicians keep proving Michael
Malice right.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That one's brutal.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Michael Malice's quote.
I I'm not going to get it right, but he basically said, what is it?
Can you, can you say it?
Do you know it?
lydia smith
I don't know right off hand.
tim pool
It's like, there is no law so obscene that a police officer would not enforce
it up and including executing children or something like that.
ian crossland
Up to and including, yeah.
I like the way they phrased that.
lydia smith
It's bad.
Well, yeah, true.
ian crossland
Right.
Just following orders.
Like at some point the cops you would think or be like, this is just wrong.
This is wrong.
We need to disobey these orders and go in there and seize.
I mean, if it was war, they would.
tim pool
They went in for their kids.
They're like, I don't care what my orders are.
My kid's in there.
All right, Murph Tries says, Cash, are you still going to be doing Flannel Friday during the summer months?
kash patel
So you know what that's from, right?
This is hilarious.
On Truth Social, there's a Q account.
Whether or not it's the real Q, I'm not going to get into.
But me and said person were running around South Florida, and we took a picture of my sleeve.
And a beer in front of it, and we posted a truth that said, at Cash, having a beer with Q. And it turned into Flannel Fridays, because I was having this beer, and I was wearing a flannel shirt, and now it's this massive thing online.
Now the memes have gotten out of control.
But, yeah, we can do Flannel Fridays for you.
tim pool
Memes are good.
Alright, James296 says, just a correction for yesterday's video.
Red velvet does not have a specific flavor, but it is a process to make a cake have velvet texture upon eating.
The red is just the food coloring.
unidentified
Awesome.
lydia smith
Huh.
tim pool
So nobody knows.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
It's vanilla and chocolate, or?
lydia smith
Well, if it is the texture, then putting it into an ice cream would completely remove the whole component of the cake.
unidentified
Oh, good point.
lydia smith
Wait, I need to look into this.
tim pool
I just don't like they put all that food coloring.
unidentified
Yes, it tastes gross.
tim pool
Why don't we call it blue velvet?
ian crossland
Yeah, you gotta use like beet juice or something to make it red.
unidentified
Purple.
tim pool
Yeah, that'd be better.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Beet juice is sweet too, isn't it?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Russell Smedchkel says, Hey Donald Trump, thanks for watching.
Hope to see you.
That's right.
unidentified
I'm sure Trump is watching right now.
tim pool
He's probably watching Tucker or something.
Is Tucker on right now?
kash patel
9 o'clock, Sean.
tim pool
Okay, well then, yeah, no.
Alright, Cory Cole says, in the case of civil war, how do you think we would be mobilized?
Would some sort of conservative leader arise, or would we just be fighting against a sort of government campaign to take rural areas?
Curious your thoughts.
I think it it it the the structure of this country makes it so that it's very much going to be like it very much will uh likely be as the first civil war was states just being like yes or no but if you look at any other civil war it's just disparate factions fighting in the streets it'll be you and your house when all of a sudden someone shows up and you're like i don't know who that is and maybe it'll be like you'll see an antifa flag or something or some a variety of leftist flags and you might just be like okay they're not my friends yeah no idea Um, we mentioned how Robert Reich said that the states, there's going to be a peaceful divorce, effectively, because of abortion issues.
And I'm like, yeah, that is what starts civil war.
When a bunch of states are like, we're going to go our own way.
And then one group says, but we get those weapons.
The other side says, no, you don't.
And then they fight for them and then fight for everything.
That's how it happens, man.
Placid Saint says the shooter had a $2,000 rifle with a $700 EOTech optic.
Downed defense rifles and parts are top tier gear stuff that I use for my Gucci SBR rifle.
Where did this kid get all that money from?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Somebody hooked him up.
lydia smith
He said they used to bully him for his family being poor and then he has this ridiculous equipment.
I don't know.
Really weird.
tim pool
Somebody hooked him up.
That's creepy.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's a good point.
I agree with that.
You know?
Yeah, I agree with that, too.
But why didn't the police go in?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
That's the argument.
If she was able to go in, why didn't the police themselves just go in and do what they needed to do to handle business?
ian crossland
Regarding where that kid got his weaponry last night, I was thinking about false flags and getting countries to go to war for something that didn't actually happen.
Not that last that shooting was a false flag, but that we should be on guard for something like that in the coming years, because if they really want to mobilize us into some European conflict or Taiwanese conflict or whatever, And you see the amount like the Gulf of Tonkin, for instance, the amount of the amount of destruction that people are willing to wreak in order to get people to support a war, more destruction.
So be on guard for that kind of thing.
And don't jump to conclusions.
kash patel
Yeah, Russia and China are masters at it.
They do this all the time.
Psyops all day long.
And if you don't look out for them, which has to be a priority of an administration to catch and suss through that, then we're going to be more vulnerable.
tim pool
All right, man.
Let's, uh, let's read some more.
Bobcat says, would you kindly tell us who is John Galt?
Also, AI doesn't really exist.
All we have are long lists of if-else statements.
To be AI, it has to understand the concept of maybe.
How do you make maybe?
ian crossland
Quantum computing, when it can be a one and a zero at the same moment.
tim pool
Interesting.
Sanity Clause says stop sending your children to these indoctrination camps.
No more school shootings, no more indoctrination.
It's a twofer.
Forget defund the police, defund public schools.
So on like 2 a.m.
on the 25th, I tweeted homeschool your kids, which was not a reference to anything at all.
It was just like homeschool your kids, because I've tweeted it before.
I say it on the show.
The Independent took that and said it was an argument to stop school shootings, and I was like, I never said anything about school shootings.
I just said homeschool your kids.
kash patel
Civil War.
tim pool
Yeah.
I posted a... There's a story about a Norwegian guy who took a bow and arrow and started shooting people with it.
So I posted the story, just a screenshot of it.
I said nothing.
I made no argument.
And people were like, this argument is dumb, Tim.
What you don't understand is... And I was like, bro, I didn't make an argument.
I just posted a news story, man.
Calm down.
People are crazy.
People live in this bubble world.
And this is literally the meme where it's like, you can say on Twitter, I like pancakes.
And they'll be like, why do you hate waffles?
And you're like, I didn't say anything about waffles, man.
I like waffles too.
Dude, calm down.
kash patel
All right.
tim pool
Gavin Deeth says, kindergarten cop reboot.
Liberal teacher pew-pews little Timmy for anti-trans statement.
Oh, yikes.
Some people, yeah, I don't think, I don't know if giving teachers guns to try and solve the problem solves the problem, but I think people should have guns, which would mean teachers would have guns.
ian crossland
Yeah, I thought, Adrian, you made a good point that if they want to, and they're trained in it, that they probably should have access to it.
unidentified
I mean, are you making the argument that the situation this week would have turned out, wouldn't have turned out differently had that teacher in that room been armed?
tim pool
No, no, I'm saying, uh, as a direct solution, like walking up to a teacher and being like, here's a gun, like get ready to use it.
I don't think is, is, is a solution, I think.
unidentified
But if a teacher has a background and they go through training and they say, I would like to carry, and there is a student who comes in with a weapon and attempts a mass shooting in that teacher's classroom.
tim pool
No, I agree with you.
unidentified
Are they gonna be better or worse off if the teacher's armed?
tim pool
They're gonna be better off if the teacher's armed.
What I'm saying is, to approach the situation right now, like, look at this problem we're facing.
The solution is give a teacher a gun.
I'm like, no, no, no.
The solution to the problem is figuring out our cultural issues.
Teachers should be armed, and it would end these situations, but you still have the problem of someone storming into a school with a weapon.
ian crossland
Yeah, it wouldn't stop them from happening.
It might be able to stop them from resolving the way that it did.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, two things can be true at the same time, though.
tim pool
I think it could deter certain actions, but I think there's also adaptivity.
You'll just get someone who will conceal their actions or target teachers first.
I think teachers should be armed.
I think regular people should be armed.
I think the two-way exists for a reason.
I think the solution is cultural.
I think if teachers are armed, they're better off.
I think the solution is some kind of cultural assessment.
Like we mentioned, drugs and social media addictions and manipulation.
I think mostly the drugs, to be honest.
I think that stuff's warping kids' minds.
That and weird groomers on the internet, that's true too.
Alright, Matthew Reckamp says, to quote Steven Crowder, What do you think would be more effective at stopping a school shooter?
A sign with a picture of a gun with a line over it, or a turret?
ian crossland
Turret.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
In some circumstances, you could beat the guy with the sign.
lydia smith
Yeah, true.
tim pool
That's actually a... Man, you know, you can't do those kind of jokes on YouTube, but I think, you know, I'm into the dark comedy where it's like... Racist.
unidentified
Racist.
tim pool
No, no, no, just like stopping a school shooting by someone taking a gun-free zone sign and beating the perpetrator with it to stop him.
It's like, what do I do?
It's like, this will work!
ian crossland
I just got turned into a cartoon.
That'll be totally acceptable.
unidentified
And Seamus.
tim pool
I don't know if Seamus would want to do that.
That one's a little too dark.
Alright, Dakota Dad says, you're gonna need an army to stop me from getting my kids.
I will stop at absolutely nothing and run through.
I don't care who to make sure they're okay.
You see that video of the guy running into the burning building to save his dog?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, this is crazy.
The fire's in... Have you guys ever been next to a burning building?
ian crossland
No, actually.
kash patel
It's hot.
tim pool
It's hot!
And that's an understatement.
People don't get this.
Because you see a fire, you've maybe been around a campfire, and you're thinking, like, oh, okay.
You can't... So, when I was in Ferguson, and they burned all those buildings on West Florissant, driving in the car, In the car with the air on and everything, when you drive past these buildings that are maybe even 50 to 100 feet away, it feels like there's a campfire right in front of your face.
The heat is so intense.
So when you walk up, it's unbearable to even walk up to the building.
This dude runs in to get his dog.
You see the firefighters are like, dude, what?
He comes out, his legs are like burned up.
lydia smith
Love it.
tim pool
Yeah, he's not going to leave his dog in there, man.
Now imagine what's going to be like if your kids are in a building with a shooter.
This guy, his dad got tasered.
unidentified
Dude.
lydia smith
Worth it.
tim pool
Crazy, man.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Salty Duckling says, Cash, since you got 45's number, please push him to abolish the ATF when he wins in 24.
kash patel
It's a thought.
We'll think about it.
It's just another federal agency doing work that other federal agencies already do.
It's an overcorrection.
tim pool
I made a tweet and I trolled mostly, I guess mostly conservatives.
It was funny.
The gun people liked it.
I said, let me just see, I'll just read what I said.
I said, did you know the National Firearms Act codified a path to owning silencers and automatic rifles?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Repeal the NFA now!
Spineless GOP won't do it.
Call your member of Congress and tell them repeal the NFA now.
unidentified
Is that true?
tim pool
Amazing.
a whole, all of that is true.
Spineless GOP won't repeal the NFA. That's true.
It did codify a path to owning silencers and automatic rifles,
restricting access to them, but still codifying a path to get
unidentified
it.
tim pool
And like, it was funny, because the gun people, my favorite response was, dude, if this works, like all the liberals being like, yeah, repeal the NFA.
But a bunch of conservatives were like, you're wrong on this one, Tim.
Also, it's not called a silencer.
It's a suppressor.
kash patel
And I'm just like, you're missing everything.
tim pool
Right over their heads.
Let's read some more super chats.
ian crossland
I got your back.
tim pool
All right, let's grab some more.
Andy Welsh says, check out the magic card for Oubliette.
It's perfect.
Is that how you pronounce it, was it?
Yeah, Oubliette.
ian crossland
MTG.
lydia smith
It's a dungeon.
ian crossland
It's like a skeleton in a cage.
tim pool
What does it do?
Remove a creature from the game?
ian crossland
From the game, until the Oubliette's removed from play, I believe.
It's an old card from Arabian Nights.
Let me see if I can pull it up.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, I believe it's Arabian Nights.
They've remade that card so many times.
ian crossland
When Oubliette enters the battlefield, Tark creature phases out until Oubliette leaves the battlefield.
tim pool
Oh, you know, Ian, I gotta tell you a funny story, man.
So this guy, I was tweeting, right?
And this guy's tweeting at me, like, telling me I'm wrong and all this stuff about politics.
And then it turns out in his profile he plays Magic.
So I tweeted at him, my kiki-jiki deck would obliterate you.
And he said, doubt?
Can you believe it?
unidentified
That's love.
tim pool
Doubt?
No way.
unidentified
The P.E.G.
ian crossland
deck would obliterate you, and it's not your fault.
unidentified
The deck is OP.
tim pool
It's busted.
99% of people are like, we have no idea what they just said.
unidentified
It's too fast.
tim pool
We're talking about a strategy card game.
ian crossland
Get familiar.
tim pool
And I'm making a joke.
There you go.
Let's read some more Super Chats.
ian crossland
It was funny because it was true.
tim pool
It's funny because someone thought they could beat my commander deck.
ian crossland
Impossible.
tim pool
Never gonna happen.
It is a crazy deck.
Alright.
Kalashnikov.
Kalashnikov.
What is that?
Kalashnikov.
I'm a god-fearing conservative, but if you gave me a thin blue line flag and a pride flag, a box of matches and a cup of gasoline, the thin blue line is getting torched first.
unidentified
Huh.
Whoa.
lydia smith
Mood.
tim pool
First though, remember that video where they were throwing the flag on the ground and stomping on it?
People are not happy, man.
Alright.
Ben Hickson says, if Americans give up their guns, then they will have unarmed protesters being shot with rubber bullets by a war memorial after being in lockdown for over 200 days.
Watch Battleground Melbourne on YouTube for the recount.
lydia smith
Wow.
tim pool
So I tweeted, I'm going to buy more guns.
And then someone responded, they were like, as an Australian, I'm curious, why do you need more guns?
And someone responded so that we don't get sent to quarantine camps when we get a sickness with a 99.8% survival rate or something like that.
And then people started quoting it and posting it.
William Andrews says, live in Maryland with my anti-gun wife who found my rifle and armor.
I said, if bad guys have this, then I will too.
Think of our kids.
Went pretty well.
lydia smith
That's fair.
ian crossland
Nice.
lydia smith
That's fair.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
John Esch says, my sister is a socialist and she's arguing with me about guns and taxes.
I'm a libertarian believing in individual responsibility and personal responsibility.
Please say why gun laws don't work.
So, most of the leftists, including socialists, are pro-gun.
The Socialist Rifle Association is a leftist pro-gun organization.
If you are claiming to be a leftist and you are not, you are anti-gun, you are not a leftist because Karl Marx said, Under no pretext should the workers surrender arms and ammunition.
All efforts should be, I'm paraphrasing next, I don't know full quote, should be frustrated by force if necessary.
That's Karl Marx.
unidentified
I agree.
lydia smith
Fully.
tim pool
Do not give up your weapons.
So you should definitely look at that quote from Karl Marx because he said it outright.
Gun laws don't work for several reasons.
In Maryland, they've banned the M1A, for instance.
They have not banned the SCAR-20S.
The SCAR-20S is a modern .308, and the M1A is a much older model.
It makes no sense why they would do that.
They've, uh, when people come out and say things like ban the AR-15, it's like, okay, well, have you ever watched Slugfest KSG-25 with minis, mini, mini-shells or whatever, and they have like 41 shells in this pump-action shotgun?
These people don't know what they're talking about.
You'd have to outright ban all guns, and then you have to contend with 3D printed guns, which can be fully plastic except for the firing pin.
And I'm probably wrong about that too, because they've probably got advancements at this point that I don't even know about.
So people can buy a 3D printer for 300 bucks, buy some materials, and just print a gun.
What are you gonna ban?
It's not working.
Guns exist.
In the Netherlands, in Europe, they have a 3D printed gun issue, where people are just printing them.
Good luck.
They got a grenade problem in Sweden.
From the... I can't remember.
There was a... What was it?
The Balkan... I don't know.
They have grenades.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
It was like an organization?
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
There was a... A war.
Yeah, it was the Balkan Wars or whatever.
lydia smith
Eastern European War.
tim pool
Something like that.
There's grenades all over the place.
Those are illegal.
Murder is illegal.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
People still doing it.
lydia smith
That's crazy.
unidentified
Criminals don't respect the law.
lydia smith
That's also crazy.
tim pool
That's wrong.
They should make it illegal.
They should make murder illegal.
Maybe that'll stop it.
lydia smith
All right.
tim pool
The Great Treasures says, long-time listener, first-time caller, when you get President Trump on, you should definitely record the entire show for your website so when YouTube inevitably deletes it, we can still see it.
We love you in Wisconsin.
That is the plan, as always.
And, um, I don't know.
Maybe we do it on Rumble or something.
kash patel
Yeah, probably.
That'll actually work.
tim pool
If YouTube does not want our business, I respect their decision.
And it'll be our biggest show ever.
But if YouTube wants to say to us, like... Look, if YouTube comes to me and says, look, we don't want you to interview Trump and have a massive show, then I'll say, hey, no problem, guys.
We'll do it on Rumble.
That's cool.
That's why it's so important to have these alternatives.
That's why we use Rumble infrastructure for our website.
So that we can make sure YouTube knows, hey, no problem, no beef.
We'll go use the other platform where they'll get all the traffic and the views and make all the money.
That's cool.
You guys, if you don't want to be culturally relevant, that's fine.
That's fine.
kash patel
Alright.
tim pool
Charles Kinsey says, hey Tim, how do you feel about making a commercial with veterans and ex-cops asking the parents to let us protect our children and precious resource?
I don't know.
I guess I feel neutrally about it.
I'm not sure what the intent is or, you know.
Seems, sounds cool.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
Carl Ashby says, Tim, check out the shooting in Charleston, West Virginia last night.
Armed party goer shoots and kills active shooter, no one else harmed.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
In Charleston?
That's not that far away.
It's decently far away from us.
But, you know, relatively close.
Crazy, did you look it up?
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm looking at it now.
I haven't seen anything yet.
tim pool
This is why you don't mess around in West Virginia.
It's a constitutional carry state, which the crazy thing is Texas is now too, but maybe Texas hasn't been constitutional carry long enough.
ian crossland
Looks like shooting victim pulled an assault rifle at a party and that one is... Whoa, whoa, whoa.
That's what it says from MSN.com.
Yeah, what is that, an assault rifle?
What is it, a .50 BMG at a party?
tim pool
I don't think so.
No, no, he could have an M16, you know, an NFA select fire rifle.
Yeah, who knows what it was.
ian crossland
That was the headline.
The vague headline.
And then one has been detained from that.
Woman stops gunman at party.
So maybe it was a girl.
tim pool
Brad Matsuzak.
Matuzak says, can you get Steve Kerr on and dunk on him, please?
Steve, you recently came out and said you want the Congress to pass H.R.
8 to create background checks.
We already have background checks, dude.
So unless you are talking about reforming like Cash did, just being like, why don't they pass background checks?
Because we already did!
Oh, it's so frustrating.
Every time I go and I gotta fill out that stupid form.
lydia smith
It's a pain.
tim pool
Because these people have no idea what they're talking about.
I love it.
When I went to the March for Our Lives, there were people saying things like, ban fully automatic weapons.
And I was like, so I would ask them, I'm like, so you do know that for the most part, they have been like, you can't get a new one and you need special privileges.
I'm like, oh, really?
And I'm like, do you know what you're protesting?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I met one guy who knew he was protesting.
And we had a good conversation about it.
I was like, okay, well this guy knows what he's talking about.
He's got bad opinions.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't like his opinions.
He's got them, but at least he was informed.
But almost all of them were holding up signs that were like meaningless.
They were like, we want background checks now.
And I'm like, eh.
unidentified
Well, then they talk about the gun show loophole, but I'm like, have you ever been to a gun show
and tried to get a firearm?
Like every seller has a little kiosk set up where they still run you through the next system even if you need a gun show.
tim pool
Yep.
It's a loophole.
What they're talking about is that in West Virginia, you can sell to a family member and that you assume responsibility if they have certain issues or you assume liability.
So if, you know, Cletus wants to sell a rifle to Billy Joe up in the mountains, you know, five hours from civilization because there's a bear problem or something, No, no, no!
They've got to drive to an FFL in a major city and then do the transfer there.
So that's what they're talking about?
I don't think that's what they're talking about.
That's not a good faith argument.
That makes no sense.
They just don't know that we already have the Nix system.
There you go.
AmericanGunChick says, Cash's solution of using social media posts to determine someone's eligibility for their Second Amendment rights sounds like the start to a social credit score.
That's a hard no for me, dawg.
kash patel
I guess you're not buying a book.
tim pool
She should buy the book anyway.
ian crossland
Well, if you didn't say that, the plot against the king.
Yeah, I'm kind of with that person.
That was what I was just thinking about is pre-thought, pre-crime, that whole thing of like, did you think a violent thought when you were nine?
Well, let's check the records of the neural net.
Yes, you're no longer accessed to stepping outside on Thursdays.
Like, come on.
tim pool
I mean, then you're going to get some like creepy old guy who's going to be like, dude, who's that?
kash patel
I do not hear the pitter-patter of little feet.
tim pool
Because the peacocks can't see a thing.
kash patel
Minority Report.
tim pool
I like that movie.
kash patel
It's cool.
But yeah, that reform has to happen on both sides in order to work.
Not just on the screener side, but the people implementing it in the government side have to be trained on how to do that the right way and not put Tim Poole on the waiting list because he's Tim Poole.
tim pool
I like, you know, in that movie Minority Report, I like the idea of pre-crime.
I don't like how they executed it.
If somebody was gonna commit a murder in that movie, you get life in prison, basically.
They put you in this thing and they put you in a tube or whatever.
It's like, dude, if someone's gonna commit a crime, you stop it and then say, we can tell if you're gonna do it again.
And then they won't.
In the movie, most of it was passion.
People losing their cool and there was almost no premeditated murder because they had precogs, psychics who could basically see if you were going to commit a murder.
But then they would come in and like tag you and then drag you away and be like, you're done, even if you didn't commit a crime.
It's like, if you can dispatch a crew to stop the murder from happening, congratulations.
Now it's like, it was a passion murder.
We can, don't do it.
And if the person is going to do it again, you can see it and you can prevent it.
So like, anyway, good movie though.
unidentified
Good movie.
tim pool
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Vic says, not many people talk about the specificity of the profile of a school shooter.
Absent father, childhood trauma, social isolation, and pharmaceutical drugs.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Yep, that's conversation number one.
tim pool
Fatherlessness.
unidentified
Matt Walsh had a whole thread about it.
Fatherless-less?
Well, just the profile of a school shooter.
I think he was pretty much on target.
tim pool
Wow.
It seems to be the case, huh?
ian crossland
So Matt Walsh interviewed David Hogg?
Did you say Matt Walsh interviewed him?
tim pool
Did I say Matt Walsh?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, I didn't mean Matt Walsh.
I meant the other guy.
ian crossland
Because in a video you said Matt Walsh, he's a corporate shell.
And someone was like, why is Tim calling Matt Walsh a corporate shell?
lydia smith
Oh yeah, everyone was confused.
tim pool
Oh man, I am so sorry, Matt.
I did not mean that about you.
I was talking about the other guy.
What's his name?
I can't remember his name.
ian crossland
I want to see the interview.
tim pool
Why did I say Matt Walsh?
Matt, I'm sorry, dude.
I'm so sorry.
I did not mean that.
ian crossland
Matt Walsh, you corporate jeskidding.
tim pool
No, it's that other guy who was a Republican but then hated Donald Trump.
ian crossland
Matt something?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe I said Matt Walsh.
ian crossland
Joe Walsh?
unidentified
Joe Walsh!
Not from the Eagles.
tim pool
Oh no!
Matt, I owe you a beer or something.
Let's fly him out.
ian crossland
Matt, you gotta come on the show.
unidentified
We'll fly you out.
Going back to Nashville.
tim pool
I said that here, too.
Nobody corrected me.
ian crossland
Well, I thought it was real, but I'm glad I brought it up.
tim pool
No, you were like, oh, Matt Walsh.
And I was like, wait.
ian crossland
I looked it up, too, and I was like, what?
tim pool
You know what it is?
It's that Matt Walsh is so much more relevant than Joe is.
unidentified
I know, right?
lydia smith
I was like, there's another Walsh.
tim pool
I just couldn't think of a guy who didn't matter.
No, I sincerely apologize for saying that, Matt.
I did not mean that.
I gotta put a correction on that video.
I did not mean that.
Gotta figure out which one that was.
Alright.
Coldylocks Production says, Tim, if you want a gun law expert on, talk to the Armed Scholar who is educated in laws and discusses laws and lawsuits around gun rights.
He'd love to come on the show.
Well, let's take a look into him.
We will write down his name, Armed Scholar.
lydia smith
Got it.
tim pool
We're gonna have to fly out and mash.
Now we're talking.
unidentified
Now we're just making up names.
tim pool
I must be too tired.
Now it's because I'm mixing Matt with Cash.
kash patel
It's all going sideways.
lydia smith
Cash, Walt.
tim pool
I pulled a Biden.
kash patel
Game over.
ian crossland
You did it.
tim pool
Pulled a Biden.
ian crossland
You'll be the next president.
tim pool
You know, next time Biden gaffs, I'm gonna have to be like, well, it happens to the best of us.
ian crossland
Love you, Joe.
tim pool
Joe Biden.
Or Joe Walsh.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, both, both.
unidentified
Alright, why is this YouTube freezing on me?
tim pool
Ben Sprink says, The force of law cannot be used on a citizen unless they do something illegal.
This has to change for a mentally ill person.
When it is known that a person is mentally ill, they should be separated from society and given help.
Gun laws are useless.
Yeah, but define mentally ill and what kind of mentally ill?
That's tough, man.
Right?
Everyone's saying Tim is Joe Biden.
I admit it.
I can never criticize the man again.
Next time he says something like Trinidad and Shabba to pressure, I'm just gonna be like, well, you know.
ian crossland
Matt Walsh was right.
tim pool
Matt Walsh.
All right.
What is this?
Iggy the Incubus says, Tim and Crew, what advice do you have for smaller creators who have an interest in discussing these topics so that we can make more avenues and wheelhouses for honest, good-faith discussions?
Use Rumble.
ian crossland
Yeah, new networks.
tim pool
And Truth Social.
kash patel
And Truth?
ian crossland
You get in early on these new networks and you can meet a lot of cool people fast.
kash patel
Truth Social is powered by Rumble.
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Yup.
There you go.
There you go, man.
Alright, Kevin Clark says, if you defended anyone who rioted, you don't get a say on gun control.
If people who don't understand guns can pass legislation on guns, men can do the same for abortion.
Y'all keep up the good work.
There you go, man.
Patricia Swisher says, 13 states allow non-citizens to vote.
Look it up.
Yeah.
How do we not get ripped apart if you've got states that allow non-citizens to vote?
Yo, I don't know, man.
Alright, we can grab a couple more.
We got so many.
All right.
Carpe Donctum says, thanks for saying it, Tim.
For saying which one?
I'm not sure.
Trevor... Matt Walsh thing?
Trevor Ritzke says, speaking of Magic the Gathering, have you seen how the game is so complex you can literally make a Turing complete computer?
Can you do that, really?
I'm wondering if, like, I didn't see what was going on because in my video I said Matt Walsh instead of Joe Walsh.
And then a bunch of people probably sent it to him and he was probably like, what?
ian crossland
I'm sure he's like, what is going on right now?
I'm doing my best.
tim pool
But if you look it up, I'm sure Matt knew Joe Walsh interviewed him and he went, no, no, no.
lydia smith
Other Walsh.
tim pool
I'm surprised nobody emailed me about it.
lydia smith
They commented on my Instagram and I was like, what on earth are they talking about?
tim pool
I thought someone was just losing their mind.
lydia smith
Oh, people were.
Yeah.
I was like, wow, that's so weird.
tim pool
It's just sometimes it's just, I pull a Biden, you know, said the wrong name.
lydia smith
We all do.
tim pool
Oh, I feel so bad about that.
unidentified
Everyone tell Matt that I'm sorry.
tim pool
We like Matt Walsh.
ian crossland
I love him.
That's cool.
tim pool
Yeah.
Ryan Calkin says, at this point, the government should just legalize an annual purge night.
People love those movies, though.
I never watched it.
I've not watched a single purge movie.
unidentified
You gotta watch it.
You gotta watch at least one.
tim pool
Maybe the first one.
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
Okay.
I'll watch one.
unidentified
I thought it was funny.
Like, all crime is legalized.
kash patel
Which one's the best one?
unidentified
First one.
kash patel
Okay.
That's where I'm going.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
All right, Sir Lemongrab says, Tim, how do you feel about 3D printing with metal?
I would say unacceptable, but that's just for your name.
In reality, no, it's pretty cool.
I watched a video, I think they used lasers, and it was like metal dust or something, and then it like 3D printed an object.
It's like not very strong, I don't know.
ian crossland
Yeah, it super heats the dust and then melts it and reforms.
tim pool
Is that how it works?
ian crossland
I'm pretty sure, yeah.
tim pool
Wow, that's crazy.
That's cool.
ian crossland
It's a lot of potential.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, let Matt Walsh know I'm very sorry for using his name incorrectly when I was talking about Joe.
Head over to TimCast.com, become a member, subscribe.
We are going to have a members-only show coming up at 11 or so p.m.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me personally everywhere at TimCast.
Cash, do you want to shout anything out?
kash patel
Thanks for having me.
The book, please buy The Plot Against the King.
It's the number one children's book in America.
Adults can learn about Russiagate while teaching their kids.
You're going to love it.
The truth matters.
That's what the whole purpose of the book is.
Thanks for having me back on the show, guys.
ian crossland
Where do people buy it?
kash patel
Go to either theplotagainsttheking.com or check out fightwithcash.com.
All the information's there.
Get a copy.
I signed 4,000 over the weekend, so we're going.
tim pool
You want to shout anything out to Adrian?
unidentified
Yeah!
Thanks for having me on the show.
I really appreciate it, brother.
And if anybody wants to follow me, you can do so at AdrianNormanDC on all the old platforms, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.
On the newer platforms like TruSocial, just AdrianNorman.
And we can duke it out online.
ian crossland
Alright!
Ian Cross on you guys.
Thank you so much for coming.
Cash Adrian.
Love you guys, man.
It's great to see you again, dude.
Good to meet you finally for the first time.
Well, eventually, you know, finally we meet.
And I want to tell everyone I was on Pop Culture Crisis today.
Episode 127.
It's YouTube.com.
I think it's probably just search Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube.
You're going to find it.
lydia smith
Pop Culture Crisis, wonderful.
That is always a good time.
I've been filling in every Wednesday for them, and it's always a blast.
It's a kind of a field that I don't usually get into, so we talk about a lot of cultural stuff.
Great time.
tim pool
And, real quick, Pop Culture Crisis, when you super chat, money guns fire.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's unbelievably distracting.
And the stink bugs and the money flying through the air, it's really thick up there.
ian crossland
One went in my coffee, it was hilarious.
lydia smith
It was good times, yeah.
tim pool
Money or a stink bug?
ian crossland
Yeah, one of the monies went in my coffee.
unidentified
One of the twenties.
lydia smith
That's better than a stink bug.
tim pool
They're all over me.
Yeah, we're talking about adding some music and like things flying by behind me as it's on.
a certain number of superchats get reached on pop culture crisis lights go off and money
ian crossland
guns are firing like crazy. Yeah we're talking about adding some music and like things flying
unidentified
by behind me as it's on. I mean nuts. Okay that just sounds a little distracting.
That's me.
lydia smith
Anyway, it is a great time.
If you guys want to check out Pop Culture Crisis, they're also on YouTube.
Brett works very hard on that, and it's going to be awesome in the future.
You guys may follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sour Patchlets, as well as Sour Patchlets.me.
tim pool
We will see you all over at Timcast.com for that members segment.
Thanks for hanging out.
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