In a shocking twist, Vice published an article where the left is actually advocating for
people to take horse medicine in order to induce abortions because with what's happening
in the Roe v. Wade draft leak, the world has gone insane, but you knew that.
The world's been insane for some time.
I mean, Donald Trump was president, and we all know that it just...
It seems like we're in some kind of TV show.
I guess it's the joke, right?
The writers for season two, they could not make things more absurd.
And so, quite literally, Vice publishes an article talking about misoprostol, a horse drug for treating horse ulcers that induces abortion in women.
And they're like, this is what you can do!
And in the same breath, in the same paragraph, they're like, also like ivermectin, which is also horse medicine.
And I'm just like, are you kidding me?
You know what?
Please, do not ingest horse medicine.
I don't care if the left tells you to do it or whoever.
But we'll talk about that.
We got the Supreme Court Justice, Chief Justice John Roberts has confirmed that this leak is in fact an initial draft and now there's conspiracies running rampant about who leaked it.
The left is claiming it was leaked by conservatives.
Well, I wouldn't say that I transitioned to a man because I was never a man, but I did identify as various flavors of non-binary and then eventually as a boy and I took testosterone for about a year and a half.
So this is gonna get interesting because there is an overlap, obviously, with all of these issues.
And I gotta just point it out because we often do.
You know, when reading these stories, when we're starting with the left advocating for people taking horse medicine, I'm just like, there's no principles behind what they're advocating for.
And I just want to mention, the entire Ivermectin horse medicine thing was mostly a straw man directed at the right, but it's so hilarious that they couldn't even maintain the don't take horse medicine position that they totally fabricated to try to dunk on us.
4 is my favorite number because when I used to play Sorry, the board game, if the first card you drew was a 4, you got to go backwards and then immediately got into the safe zone.
Well, the other thing I want to point out is that if you guys are going to be putting numbers in the chat for me, you know, 20s, 1s, be a little more creative with exactly what number you think I rolled.
Because it's a 5% chance you're going to get a 1 or a 20.
Like, you can roll a 12, you can roll a 13, you can roll a 4, it's okay.
If you head over to TimCast.com, you can actually see that the front page story we have right now is about a Florida mother suing a school that secretly discussed gender transition with her middle schooler.
But we'll get into that later when we have, you know, I want to give a dedicated segment where we go deep in that stuff.
Anarchist collective shares instructions to make DIY abortion pills.
DIY medicine collectives are preparing for the horrifying prospect that Roe v. Wade will be overturned.
And in this image, I guess that's misoprostol, I suppose, they're saying with the Supreme Court poised to overturn the constitutional rights to abortion, Constitutional right.
An anarchist collective that makes DIY medicine has released detailed instructions for making abortion pills.
The group has previously released instructions for making DIY EpiPen and for making... What is that?
The pill that made Farmer Bro Martin Shkreli famous.
We talked about this a bit on the show that like, uh, I think it was Thomas, with Thomas Massey, that horse and no, no sheep epinephrine is like 30 bucks for 50 doses.
And it's like the same dosage a person gets.
And it's like, Oh, but you can't take sheep, take sheep medicine.
And I think Thomas was saying, no, it's literally the same thing.
Well, I don't know about all that, but what I do know is in the article it says, in the video, Laufer explains that besides being used to medically induce abortions, misoprostol is also used to treat ulcers in horses.
This makes misoprostol powder relatively easy to acquire from veterinary sources.
This is reminiscent of ivermectin, which is used to control parasites in horses, but also became a favored but ineffective COVID treatment among conspiracy theorists.
Ivermectin's use in horses made it easier for humans to get without a prescription.
This is amazing.
Laufer explains in the video how to dose misoprostol and how to press it into pills using a scale, corn syrup, powdered sugar, a spray bottle, and a pollen press.
They explain that a three-dose regimen of misoprostol is 85% effective in inducing abortion.
If taken with Mifepristone, another abortion pill, that raises, that rate raises, oh, if taken with Mifepristone, is that how you say that?
The rate rises to 95% effectiveness through, though raw Mifepristone is harder to source.
So what they're actually saying in this is that people who are outraged over the potential overturning of Roe v. Wade have told people to go to the vet to buy horse medicine so they can have abortions.
Look, if the worst case scenario about the Ivermectin horse paste thing was that it didn't do anything, it didn't do anything.
There were some stories about people getting sick because they would eat like a tube of horse paste and you can't do that.
It's medicine that they put into a horse pace to feed the horses.
It's the same with ivermectin.
It's a medicine that was used in a horse environment sometimes, but it's not horse medicine.
It's just medicine.
Secondly, I talked about this last night.
People are going to be inducing miscarriages now.
That's the problem with making it illegal is people are going to keep doing it and they're going to find probably more dangerous and violent ways to do it.
Especially with gun control, it's complicated because people are finding more and more ways to create them and get them.
But ultimately, part of the reason why we oppose gun control is because we know it would be harder to get a firearm and fewer of us would be able to if it were implemented.
So there is some effectiveness.
I mean, gun control certainly is not effective at lowering gun crime or preventing homicide or anything like that.
But it is, in some cases, very effective at getting guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens because the law can be effective.
I don't, I don't, so the argument for over the past week or so with Elon Musk is that
the left, you know, he posted this meme showing the left moving further and further left and
the right's kind of staying where it is in the center then becomes right wing because
the left moves so far left.
And the left keeps saying, oh no, that's not true, that's not happening.
My response is, when I was a kid, the right wanted to ban abortion.
As I grew up, the left was saying, safe, legal, and rare are compromised.
No late-term abortions.
Most people in this country, even today, disagree with abortions after the first trimester.
That means second trimester and third, no abortions!
I think the New York Times reported this, that Roe v. Wade actually stops certain restrictions on abortion in the second trimester, which creates this paradox, but we get to that in a second.
So the right today still wants to ban abortion, but now the left wants all restrictions removed, which is a huge leap from where it was when I was younger.
Safe, legal, and rare.
Meaning, in the first trimester, if there are certain issues, so the issues that get brought up frequently are ectopic pregnancies.
Which I suppose the argument, Seamus, you and Matt Walsh brought up is that you don't consider an abortion an ectopic pregnancy.
So basically there are certain medical procedures you might have to perform on a sick woman who happens to be pregnant that could result in the death of the unborn child.
And you perform that surgery to save her life, and if the unborn child dies, that's unfortunate, but your intention is not to go in there and kill the child.
It's an unintended side effect of the operation, so that isn't considered an abortion.
Including by certain pro-choice organizations, by the way.
Many of them won't call it an abortion.
I know WebMD doesn't call it an abortion.
I believe Planned Parenthood does not call it a top-of-the-pregnancy procedure.
So this is the argument that's often made from the left, because I don't think they're having conversations with conservatives, because I think talking to Matt Walsh was particularly enlightening.
He effectively said, you can terminate a pregnancy, but it doesn't mean you have to kill the baby.
Meaning at certain points, if you can save the baby's life, why wouldn't you do it?
So it's like, there's an interesting question I think for most pro-abortion people we should ask.
If a woman is pregnant in the second or third trimester, and the baby can safely be removed ending the pregnancy, but the baby can also be saved, should that be mandated?
It's interesting, you mentioned that the left has become more extreme on this issue, and I completely agree, but on the other hand, I think they've really just become more consistent to their base principle here.
On the right, the argument was that this is a human life, and so it has to be protected from conception until natural death, and on the side of the left, it was basically the argument that, like, either we don't know if this is a human life, or it outright isn't a human life, and in that case, it doesn't make sense to restrict it at all.
There are certain people who have tried to argue that because, um, Adam takes or God breathes life into Adam in the old Testament, that that means that scripture is saying life does not begin until the first breath, but that's an unbelievable reach.
And the prohibition on abortion is one of the earliest Christian teachings.
I mean, the States all the way back to the first century.
Either way, I'm not entirely sure what the left does want.
So my position and my family has always been, like what we talk about all the time, is it's safe, legal, and rare.
That's the famous saying.
Even Tulsi Gabbard was saying it.
And it's like, there should be restrictions.
And so, my position is not particularly strong.
I really don't know.
And I don't understand why so many people are screaming at the top of their lungs about this because abortion wasn't even banned.
It's just going to a state-level thing, so it's like, okay, I don't know, petition your state, vote for your local reps, or if you're the majority of Democrats and you live in a blue state, you have nothing to worry about.
I think some of it is just sort of your classic typical histrionic leftist behavior.
Every time something goes wrong for them in politics, they end up throwing a tantrum and will even burn down cities, attack people, commit acts of violence.
Another part of it is I think there are some number of people whose consciences are genuinely bothered because either they've had an abortion or they've helped someone participate.
You know, they've participated in helping someone procure an abortion and they haven't really reconciled with the wrongness of that.
And so anything that reminds them that some people don't approve of that behavior really sends them off I want to pull up this poll from Civics.
Which party is more concerned with people like you?
I chose the 18-34 demographic and you can see 41% say Democrats, 30% say neither, 25% say Republicans, and I probably fall in that neither camp and I assume most people watching do.
That's why a lot of the arguments coming from the Democrats on this issue don't make sense because they lump the neither and the Republican groups together.
Yeah.
Even though like the neither side is like, well, I guess I'll vote for a Republican because the Democrats are nuts, but I don't like Republicans at all.
Well, and it's also the case that for me, I'm very conservative, but I don't really feel the Republican party has my best interests in mind as a person either.
And I think most Republicans don't feel that way.
It's actually very interesting that 41% say they think the Democratic Party has their interest in mind because what that says to me is Democrats are just much more likely to fall in lockstep with the party line and say, oh, the politician who told me they have my best interest in mind has my best interest in mind.
So when we say politically homeless, you know I don't care if these zealot cult people are like you're a Republican.
I'm like sure I guess cuz like not Snipping the spinal cord of a baby at nine months right as it's being born If I have a choice between not doing that and doing that I'd be like, I guess I'm voting Republican.
Yeah, can I just mention one more thing before we jump into this?
I think it goes even deeper than that because obviously you and I disagree on this.
I don't believe there should be any exception.
Abortion should be completely illegal.
However, it's not just that the Democratic Party is even necessarily saying abortion up until the last second of pregnancy.
In a number of states, as you mentioned, there have been discussions about even allowing the child to die after the abortion has failed.
But on top of that, our quote-unquote very Catholic president, Joe Biden, Has talked about appealing the Hyde Amendment, and the Hyde Amendment prevents federal funding from paying for abortions.
So basically the position of the left is that yes, taxpayers should be funding this.
I think the Democrats are wrong for obvious reasons, but then the Republicans are just kind of putting up a fake opposition to that and then siphoning off money from all their donors and then obviously not really putting up any resistance to it considering the last few decades.
Anyway, he was saying that they go to him and they're like, we have the vote to end Obamacare, but don't do it because we need to rally up our base.
You know, we don't want to lose the issue.
I'm going to play this for you from Vox.
unidentified
All right, let's listen to this.
There was a very contentious committee hearing yesterday when Fairfax County Delegate Kathy Tran made her case for lifting restrictions on third trimester abortions as well as other restrictions now in place.
And she was pressed by a Republican delegate about whether her bill would permit an abortion, even as a woman is essentially dilating, ready to give birth.
And she answered that it would permit an abortion at that stage of labor.
Yeah, you know, I wasn't there, Julie, and I certainly can't speak for Delegate Tran, but I would tell you, one, first thing I would say, this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, And the mothers and fathers that are involved.
There are, you know, when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way.
And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that's non-viable.
So, in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen.
The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated, if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.
So, I think this was really blown out of proportion, but again, He said it would be resuscitated, and then a discussion would happen.
In the context of an abortion, it sounds a lot like, to me, like he was saying a living baby would be kept comfortable and resuscitated, and then we discuss whether we kill it.
Because he specifically said it's about, or at least he thinks it's about deformities and non-viability.
So if a deformed child is born, I just don't see why that would be a reason of whether or not you could kill it.
Either kill it or don't, but don't, it's not about like, I mean, I guess if the deformity is so horrific, like it's born with one lung, doesn't have a kidney.
I mean, I think that's, it's obviously very wrong to kill a living baby.
Don't get me wrong.
And I think like a lot of people, they'll argue that this is just, it's an extreme version of like a pro-choice stance.
But most women who are getting abortions like aren't, you know, killing their living babies.
But then I think to myself, Well, then what does it say about someone like him, even if he does have that more moderate stance on abortion for, I guess, normal women, what does it say about his logic and his reasoning?
Like I'm against abortion in all cases, but I believe what she's saying is he he's representing up arguably the more common position on abortion, but then he's also representing this very uncommon.
And people say that this isn't a representation of like the average pro-choice person, but if the average pro-choice person would defend this, what does that say about like their, their ideology in general?
It's hard for him to say though, but I think part of why it's hard for him to say is because he knows that the radical left has an immense amount of power in the Democratic Party, he's a coward who doesn't want to stand for human life, and He's aware that he will destroy his career as a member of the Democratic Party if he says anything about any kind of abortion.
Also, I think he honestly supports the activity of killing a fully developed human baby that is just born that has a deformity, like a serious deformity.
I mean, you really gotta strip apart deformity, because you could have, like, your finger could be bent, and that you're considered deformed as a child because one finger is bent.
Some deformities are so horrific that you might actually save the child from suffering.
I know, it's an extreme example, but like, you know, severe brain damage.
I don't know, man.
But then you ask that severely brain damaged person when they're 30 or 40, like, are you glad you're alive?
But like, what kind of Destruction or they got not not destruction overt destruction, but what kind of like, you know sucking away of resources are Severely deformed people on society.
I want to say deformed It's a very vague statement because it's not about like autism that I'm not talking about that kind of thing Even if I don't even think that as a deformable, can I just want to mention one thing?
Because this is obviously a much bigger discussion.
I just want to sort of say this to think about you mentioned them consuming resources, but what if it's the case that Resources are there for humans and not the other way around.
But if we're talking about resources, like what if it is the case that human life is intrinsically valuable and the reason resources are valuable is because they help us, they help keep us alive, so to say, it's better off if this person is dead because that'll conserve resources is self-defeating because the purpose of the resource is to keep a person alive.
Only because if people have unlimited food, they grow exponentially and overcrowd and destroy the system that they're like the deer population overeats, you know, and so there's this built in kind of like starvation method into humanity that keeps us from overgrowing almost, it seems like.
One of the deformities that people refer to is, or one of the, we'll call it issues, that the left often refers to as to why abortions should be allowed is Down syndrome.
And there was a, there's a very famous video of a man with Down syndrome, I think he's testifying before Congress, right?
Saying that they would have me killed.
Why?
It's like these people are alive, they're functioning, they are functioning human beings.
But it's just, because the traits they have are undesirable, people want them terminated before they could be alive.
I get it, that like, humans are, we want to be more than animals, but we're animals.
And we're just smart animals.
And like, animals will destroy their young if they're not healthy, often.
Other non-human animals like it's just they're gonna hoard hold back the pack You can't you can't risk everyone else's existence because of one small feeble child, but they'll destroy it at birth You know But our society is not crumbling because we're allowing disabled people to live our Society's crumbling because we don't care enough for one another and we view other human beings as objects in that way I think it's crumbling I mean, I guess it's just a way of looking at it.
I mean, there's a lot of tremendous victories that the pro-liberty or right, whatever you want to call it, has achieved recently.
Like Elon Musk buying Twitter.
But I think the leak of the Roe v. Wade initial draft shows, for the first time in history this happened, like, yeah, our institutions are basically on fire.
In a tweet from Steven Marsh, we've had on the show, he says, honestly guys, when a marriage gets like this, you sit the kids down and tell them it's over.
And you figure out how to separate with as little pain and suffering as possible.
He links to his article from The Guardian, in which he makes a very important point.
He writes, Civil wars don't always begin with gunfire.
Sometimes civil wars begin with learned arguments. In April 1861, Confederate forces shot on Fort
Sumter. But at the time, even Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president, had doubts about whether
the event mattered all that much.
It was, he claimed, quote, either the beginning of a fearful war or the end of a political contest.
He could not say which. During the decades that preceded the assault on Fort Sumter,
complex legal and political fissures had been working their way through the United States,
slowly rendering the country ungovernable and opening the path to mass violence.
Yo, I just got to say that a civil war is coming.
From Fox News, liberals call for revolution in response to leaked SCOTUS Roe v. Wade opinion.
It's not just liberals.
There's one guy.
He's running for AG in Florida.
I believe that's who this guy is.
It's time for a revolution.
These are blue check verified Twitter users taking donations through ActBlue advocating for insurrection.
So I also want to give one quick shout out to this tweet from Madison Cawthorn who said, Because if you went 10 years into the past and started telling people that, they would call in a 5150.
Which, for those that aren't familiar, is involuntary commitment to a hospital for mental issues.
DONALD TRUMP!
He's gonna be president and then Roe v. Wade is gonna be overturned!
They're like, okay, dude, calm down.
I think you're losing it.
That's not gonna happen.
And then it did!
And here we are, and it's quite amazing.
But now we have this story from Fox.
Check this out.
We have other people.
Maria Shriver saying, say you want a revolution?
Well, you have one here right now.
This person says, waking up to another right for my body being threatened in 2022.
If they want a revolution, they are going to get one.
It's not a revolution.
It's a civil war.
The Republican position right now is red states get to choose whether they have abortions or not, and so do blue states.
The Democrat position is the entire country should have to allow abortion.
One is absolutist.
One is a compromise.
I'll say it again.
The Republicans are compromising.
Blue states are allowed to have abortions.
Red states don't.
And the Democrats are saying, no, we don't care.
You have to have abortions.
Okay, that's not a revolution when you come out and you say, we're going to force you to have these laws.
That's called a civil war.
That is not a moral statement about who is right or wrong.
is going to get beat like a young, I'm not going deeper on that.
And it'll be, corporations will be involved as well.
So no, not civil war.
I think, When we're talking about why people want the federal government to preserve abortion rights, is because if you're in a red state, or you say you're in a blue state, and then Roe v. Wade gets overturned, and your governor's like, don't worry, you can still be here, you set up a family, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people move there, they live there, they have lives, they have businesses, they set up families, then a new governor gets in and is like, nah, you can't have abortions here anymore.
Why would one person get to make that decision?
That's why it's federally instantiated, I believe.
The people, the left keeps saying men should not be regulating women's bodies, and then everyone keeps posting a picture of the Supreme Court in 1973, which is all men.
I just, this is the point, you know, with the first story about the horse medicine for abortion.
It's like, dude, they're saying, there's a guy, a picture of a guy out in front of the Supreme Court or whatever holding a sign saying, men should not be regulating women's bodies.
Or it was something like, it was something about like men, oh no, I know what it said.
It said, if men could get pregnant, then abortion would be enshrined or whatever.
And it's like, okay, hold on.
I'm confused now because y'all are telling me that men can get pregnant for a long time.
That's part of why I'm so conflicted because I do, I guess, talk to a lot of women who I do highly respect.
I think they're intelligent.
I think that they are moral people.
They're not, you know, some of these crazy people that you see in the most extreme cases.
And they really, really, really care about abortion.
And obviously, you know, abortion being as accessible as possible.
And then I'm just kind of sitting there thinking, like, well, A, I don't feel that strongly about it.
Something about it makes me very uncomfortable.
And, you know, I get confused thinking about all of these different, like, extreme possibilities of what could happen because I'm still just trying to, like, slow down and think about, OK, well, is it a human life or not?
And I don't see the argument for why it's not a human life.
And then if it is a human life, I have an important question.
This is the big issue that I personally face because, you know, I mean, traditionally liberal my whole life, but now the problem is, ooh, I love doing this, you ready?
I think for some number of them, they recognize that to some percentage of the population, they would kind of become politically irrelevant if abortion was illegal.
So some of them probably cynically exploit the issue.
But I am curious to ask you, when you were in the process of, I guess they would call it transitioning, was there anyone in your life who tried to warn you against it or tried to stop you from going down that path?
Well, I think that you can be that voice for the unborn.
I think you recognize that it is a life and it does begin at conception and I think you could do a lot of good in protecting the innocent in a way that you weren't protected when you needed someone.
So I think everything a really big portion of his argument that is left out when it comes to the left.
One of the things I heard is what happens if the placenta breaks early on in the pregnancy and it's terminal for the baby and the woman Republicans wouldn't allow an abortion in the circumstance.
So someone posted, it was like on Twitter, and they said, in the instance where a woman is like in a second trimester, and the platenta breaks, it's ruptured, and the baby and the mother will both die unless the baby is removed, they say Republicans would not allow that.
So, again, my answer is you perform whatever surgery is necessary to save the mother without the intent to kill the child or without directly harming the child, and if the child dies as an unfortunate side effect of that, that happens, but that's not the same as an abortion.
So I think that's an important semantic component that is overlooked.
That when at least you and Matt Walsh were describing it, you're talking about abortion as specifically and only the intentional act of killing the baby.
about the dictionary we're talking about what is Seamus and Matt Walsh's intent
in their language okay so I can understand where he's coming from in
terms of law because I don't think it's reasonable If a woman is like, I have a medical issue with my pregnancy and we're both going to die, it does not make sense to me that a conservative would be like, well, then you have to.
Well, no, the point I'm making is in talking with Seamus and Matt, as well as many other pro-life people, there's, I've not encountered a circumstance where a pro-lifer has said the woman and the baby should both die if they have to.
I think there are instances where the left will... I have read petitions signed by literally hundreds of doctors that have said there's no such thing as a medically necessitated abortion.
There are instances where surgery might need to be performed that poses a risk to the life of the unborn child, but there's no such thing as an instance where you have to go in and you have to kill the child.
I want to be very careful about this because as I've said, I've read literature from doctors and I've spoken to doctors who have said that this kind of thing doesn't happen.
Again, there are instances where a surgery could pose a risk to the life of a newborn child.
Instead of trying to say, it doesn't happen so I can't answer it, let's just hypothetically I think I've laid out my principles, right?
If there is a surgery that will save the mother's life, but it poses a risk to the life of a child, and that surgery's the only thing... Absolute death.
What if the surgery is much safer if you kill the baby and remove it as opposed to a much more risky procedure where you can try and preserve the baby and maybe the woman will live?
I would be more comfortable erring on the side of do whatever the most likely thing for the mother of survival, whether that means, if it means that she's got a 10% chance less if you go for the... You know what's funny though?
It's this fear and propaganda that just is making people crazy.
Like I genuinely just... I don't feel this strongly about it because I don't feel that pregnancy would be the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to me that would end my life and so I need to like have this much fear that controls me about it.
I think, but what you're ignoring, Tim, is they're actually talking about creating this institution where the woman only has sex with one man she trusts to raise a child with her in case she does get pregnant, and they're not allowed to leave each other.
So I think that's like a new, original, interesting idea.
Yo, you know what was one of the craziest things I was reading about?
That there were lesbians who became straight during COVID lockdown.
You don't see those stories?
There was one, it was like, I think maybe Vice published it, where it was a woman, she was like, I'm a lesbian, but I was quarantined with my roommate who's male, and we started dating, and like, hooking up.
And then she was like, she changed, like something... I don't know.
It's interesting, because in the same way that we are not allowed to acknowledge the existence of detransitioners, such as yourself, you're also not allowed to acknowledge the existence of people who no longer identify as homosexual.
I don't know how much that is like an actual lesbian turning straight because of the pandemic and how much of it is just like the queer ideology about what a lesbian actually is.
Like I think that there's a lot of people who are involved in these communities and they call themselves gay or they call themselves a lesbian but it's like they're thinking of it more from like a gender identity perspective as opposed to like actually growing up being like a homosexual person.
Yeah, so it wasn't like I just woke up one day and went from being myself to wanting to be a boy.
So growing up, I never, I wasn't like super masculine or anything.
I was never even really like a tomboy.
I feel like I had like a good even mix of like girl, typical boy, typical interests and stuff.
So it really started for me when I started using the internet a lot.
For me, it was Tumblr that I started using the most.
And on Tumblr, there is a strong emphasis on social justice ideology.
And so in order to participate in those communities, you have to adopt a lot of those beliefs.
So I kind of adopted those radical progressive beliefs about gender and race and everything, honestly.
And in that environment, it's highly encouraged to experiment with your gender identity.
You see all of these messages that are just like, oh, well, if you don't like your body, that's a sign that you're trans.
Or if you read certain kinds of fan fiction, that's a sign that you're trans.
And you should change your pronouns, you should cut your hair and just see how it feels.
And then every time you do that, you cut your hair to see how it feels, or you change your pronouns, then everybody comes and like lavishes positive attention on you.
So I think it was like, yeah, Yeah, but it's for me, in my case, I know that there are legitimate cases of grooming where adults actually, I mean, there are trans activists who brag about how many minors they've sent hormones to through the male.
So that definitely is a thing that happens.
But for me, it was mostly like just other teenagers who were going through, I don't know, loneliness, depression, eating disorders are also really common, who were just kind of all latching on to this idea that They were born in the wrong body or they're meant to be someone else and they can just discover that and then they can bring that into the real world.
I would say it's very easy for someone who's disconnected from reality and doesn't have a lot of ties to like the real physical world like for context in my adolescence I was one of those kids who like I didn't really play any sports I didn't have a lot of friends in real life I mainly just kind of was online doing creative things like writing and doing art and talking to other people online so I think it's easy To get lost in, like, especially as a creative person, you can get lost in these ideas about who you are and what you can become.
So, um, one thing on Tumblr that is, uh, very, very popular, it's not fringe at all.
It's very popular is like male, male fan fictions, like gay fan fiction.
Um, and so people will say that, Oh, if you're a girl and you read gay fan fiction, that is like the number one sign that you're actually a boy inside.
So it actually took bringing that into the real world by, you know, actually trying to look like a boy and like act like a boy and be in like male spaces using the men's restroom.
I actually did that.
It was just like, holy crap, like this is not Right for me at all.
Yeah, I was taking testosterone for a year and a half and another part of it that made me really regret it and realize that it was a mistake is the fact that the testosterone had extremely negative effects on me.
Like what?
So for me it was mostly psychological.
I wasn't on it for long enough for it to have like any long-term physical effects, but just it really destabilized me.
And another piece of context is that the people who prescribed me it prescribed me four times the dosage that I should have started on.
And that's a whole other story we can get into if you want.
Yeah, yeah.
So basically I got my testosterone from Planned Parenthood and it was just one appointment.
I walk in.
They talked to me for like 20 minutes and then I sit down with a nurse practitioner and she says, okay, we're going to start you on like 25 milligrams.
And then I say to her, well, I think that I need more because my hips are big.
So I think I have extra estrogen and I'm going to need more testosterone to look like a boy.
And she did not push back on that whatsoever.
And she just asked me, like, okay, well, how high would you like to go?
And then I said, what's the highest we can do?
And she said, okay, we'll start you on 100 milligrams.
Like I literally was just completely transformed into like a different person.
Like, um, the way I describe it is like my, I stopped having a wide spectrum of emotion and instead of like, okay, something happens and it makes me feel abandoned.
So then I'm nervous.
So then I'm sad.
So then I cry.
I would just go straight from like point A to point I'm going to anger.
Tim and I had a moment where we were like... It's like you're a dude and you're like working in the backyard and you're like trying to hammer a nail and then you hit the nail and the nail drops.
A lot of testosterone and men who are on estrogen.
Your brain and your body is meant to work on the hormones that you are meant to produce.
You're not going to be a mentally or physically healthy person if you're taking a bunch of testosterone as a woman or a bunch of estrogen and suppressing your testosterone as a man.
And he was talking to this young woman about how kids are being sterilized, which is what happens if a child is put on puberty blockers and then cross-sex hormones, they will be sterilized.
Well, we do have this from the Christian Post, which I'm sure the left will not be happy with, but NewsGuard has certified them at 74.5, which I must add is substantially higher than the Daily Beast.
And they say puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones do sterilize children, hospital consent docs show.
So, the way that your body matures and you become fertile, you achieve sexual development, is because your sexual organs, whether they are testicles or ovaries, during the process of puberty, they receive the hormones that they're supposed to receive.
So testicles during puberty receive or make testosterone and that is what allows you to be a fertile male and it's the same for a woman with estrogen and progesterone and all that kind of stuff, the menstrual cycle.
If you suppress a child's puberty so that that never happens and then you put the wrong hormones into their body, their organs are never going to get what they need to develop to become a fertile adult.
But I also, I don't know how meaningful that distinction is because it's not like, oh, I'm 17 and you know I'm turning 18 tomorrow now I'm a child that deserves protection but then that next day on my birthday I no longer deserve any protection and anything I want to do to my body if I want to walk into a Planned Parenthood and get a hundred milligrams of testosterone there's nothing wrong with that Planned Parenthood for prescribing me that.
Well, it's also insane in any context that a doctor would say, well, you know, the patient who has never been on this medicine before, let's say it was a legitimate treatment, which it isn't.
But even if it was for a doctor to say, this patient who's never taken this medicine before is telling me they need more of it, so I'm going to give them more of it.
It's just they do it all the time with everything.
The trans movement does this.
They attach everything to gay rights.
Because they understand that, you know, many, many, many more people support, you know, the idea that taking a gay person to some horrible conversion therapy camp is terrible.
Or, you know, most people, I think, would kind of not be super threatened about the idea of a teacher, I guess, explaining to a child why the other kid in their class has two fathers or something like that.
So they take those things that people, you know, accept and are not as controversial and they just smuggle in the gender ideology and the trans and kids with it.
There's a really funny meme where it was like at a grade school, one of my students came in and was explaining to the class how they had two moms and everyone starts clapping.
I'm pretty sure it was Peppa Pig, I could be wrong, but there were cartoons where it would auto-generate these videos, and the thumbnail would be like Peppa Pig drinking piss next to a urinal, and then the video would be him killing other Peppa Pigs and stuff like that.
Just really weird stuff that they would just make, because the babies can't change the channel.
The babies are just staring at it like, and like they're watching this crazy stuff.
Yeah, I remember finding something and and it wasn't even anything like hardcore or anything, but I mean I was a child so I was pretty Concerned about it.
I don't, I didn't, um, I, well actually when I was young I had a friend of mine, we were just out walking and he like pulled porn out of his wall and I was like, I'm not supposed to look at that stuff.
Ian, you told me the story before that as soon as you were a teenager when the internet was discovered, you were the first person to put porn on the internet.
You know what, actually I did, I should mention, I think when I was like 15, I was using someone's computer and it had a virus and just pornographic images started popping up.
I mean, look, they'll let your kid have access to it.
That's why you have to protect them.
That's why you can't let them look at this stuff.
The first thing I thought when you mentioned Tumblr was, my goodness, it's so dangerous to allow kids to go on the internet because I think a lot of parents would not even know.
They don't know because they don't make that connection where it's like, okay, the kid's staring at the phone, but what they're doing is they're communicating with other people.
Even if it's not a direct chat, when they're scrolling something, like they're getting messages from other people.
Those are other real people posting those things and that's what your child is consuming.
And I think a lot of parents, like they don't make that connection.
They just think, oh, like she's looking at pictures or something.
Florida mother suing school that secretly discussed gender transition with her middle schooler.
Quote, this is happening all over the nation, she said.
A Florida school was sued after it helped a student transition gender without informing or seeking the consent of the teen's parents.
January Littlejohn, that's her name, said she was outraged when school officials at Deer Lake Middle School in Tallahassee secretly discussed gender and transgenderism with her daughter without her knowledge.
This is happening all over the nation.
This same protocol is in place in many, many schools across districts everywhere, and even the guides being used to dictate these transgender support plans that cut parents out even have the same language.
Little John said her then 13-year-old daughter was friends with a group of students who transitioned to the opposite gender, a group.
Her daughter reportedly expressed her own confusion over gender during the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Little John later discovered the student's school had been developing a transgender support plan with a young teen in August of 2020.
Little John said she was told by the school she could not be involved because of a non-discrimination law.
She was also told by administrators that they could not disclose what had happened during their meetings with her child.
Eventually, we did see the Transgender Support Plan, which was a six-page document that they completed with my daughter, who was 13 at the time, behind closed doors, where they asked her questions that would have absolutely impacted her safety.
So this is why they passed the Parental Rights and Education Bill.
Because schools are withholding this information and parents have rights over their kids.
If you go to, there's a really interesting substack.
It's called PITT Parents.
P-I-T-T Parents.
It stands for Parents With Inconvenient Truths About Transgenderism.
There's just like endless testimonies of these parents and the absolute hell that the schools put them through.
Where the schools kind of, they, it's extremely manipulative.
They triangulate with the child against the parents and it's just, It's horrific they'll get, you know, Child Protective Services involved.
I know parents who have had Child Protective Services called on them multiple times because they don't want to transition their 12-year-old girl who's been convinced that she's a boy at school.
You mentioned in a previous segment just earlier that, you know, you're on Tumblr and they tell you things like, just experiment, like cut your hair, you know.
There was also a website that's gone that was for detransitioners, and the point they were making was, if you go online and you're feeling these things, the only thing you will see is positive.
And also, I mean, the trans community itself really does operate like a cult.
Like there's not just pure censorship.
There's all these social mechanisms involved that discourage people from listening to people like me.
I mean, just recently, a popular trans influencer was coming after me and just making videos about me, like completely misrepresenting me, demonizing me, like calling me a cunt and a bitch.
And like all sorts of, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that.
But yeah, I mean this person, biological male by the way, just like hurling horrible insults at me, completely demonizing me and it's just like all the followers just eat it up.
Instead of engaging with me on what I'm actually saying or maybe listening to like, maybe like she is telling the truth.
It just has to be, no she's lying, no she's being paid, no she's a shill.
This, what you're describing, can be extrapolated and expanded to a common occurrence between what we colloquially refer to as the left and the right.
Talk about taxes, talk about Ukraine, talk about anything and you're describing the exact phenomenon.
The left, as we call it, is the parent group that typically makes things up, demonizes, falsely represents, smears, and won't come on the show.
Yeah, don't tribalism make excuse for I don't I think these people for the most part are They're grifters, right?
that's they project on us, but I'll just I'll say right now look call whatever you want if We are inviting people on the show to come and explain their ideas and they won't do it It's because they don't have any ideas It's because all they are is a wad of emotional fire screaming into the wind.
And when you say, please explain, they don't have anything to explain.
They're just mad.
It's like that comic where the guy's like, I'm angry.
Yeah, so the only other adults that really played like a major feature in this whole situation was my school guidance counselor and my school psychologist, the therapist, and they were both very affirming to me.
So the school guidance counselor, I came and told her like, you know, my parents don't accept me for being trans, but I feel like if I don't transition I'm gonna kill myself, basically is what I said.
There is that, but you also do just kind of believe it.
Like, the thing about this is that, like, a lot of people who are drawn to this, like, they are drawn to something so drastic and so unhinged from reality because they're going through intense emotional pain.
And so, like, it really does feel to you that this is the only solution.
Like, this is the only possibility that you have is to, like, do this kind of crazy thing and transition and then maybe you'll have a chance at a happy life.
I'm looking at Rachel Levine, I don't know if she's a trans woman, and she said that top Biden health official, that's Rachel, says trans youth being, quote, driven to depths of despair.
The way I look at it is that children are being driven to the depths of despair.
And so they're thinking there's something, like you were saying, you were experiencing depression at the age of 13.
Because the world is nuts and it's been exposed at how nuts it is with the propaganda ministry and all this crap.
I mean, there's lots of reasons to be depressed outside of your personal life.
I think that exposition is driving people insane, including kids.
And it's like it's again it's it's selection bias because a lot of the kids that are drawn to this are kids that already have deep emotional issues like for example I think there's statistics on like the California foster care system and like a hugely disproportionate amount of kids in the foster care system are identifying as trans and of course the law in California is like a trans them on the public dime.
But, yeah, so I think you have a lot of kids that they have trauma or, you know, autism is another big one.
Kids with autism really struggle when they're growing up.
You have these kids who, like, they're really going through some very deep struggles and they cling to this idea that they're really meant to be someone else and then all the adults tell them, yes, you're really meant to be someone else.
It creates a feeling of desperation.
And so Levine is kind of taking advantage of that for a political reason and without really exploring, you know, why are these kids so desperate?
If you go back to when you were 13 and think like if something was different, if you had some sort of experience or outlet or something that could have helped, even remotely, what kind of stuff can you think of?
Yeah, yeah, that's what I always tell parents because they, like, a lot of parents come to me, like, asking, like, how do I talk to my kid about this?
And it's like, yeah, your kid is gonna be saying a lot of, like, ideological mumbo-jumbo that you don't agree with, but, like, you have to kind of resist just focusing on that and arguing and just, like, Let them express themselves in the way that they know how.
So, I would like to ask you then, if you were speaking either to your own child or a child you were in some position of authority over, and they basically said this to you, that they felt that they were truly born in the wrong body, what is the approach?
What's the response?
I know you sort of outlined some general rules, but I'm curious what you would say to them.
So if I had a long-term like relationship with this person.
Yeah like this is your child.
Okay yeah if this is my child then yeah I would do my best to try to understand like their actual emotional experience because I think for me it was definitely a way of understanding my emotional experience but it wasn't correct.
It was all ideological and like I learned it online and all this kind of stuff.
But I was having real emotions under there so I think that what I would do in that situation as the adult is to try to connect with that young person on the things that are real like their authentic feelings and concerns and doubts and anxieties and like just like try to bring that out and make them feel supported in that and so they don't feel so desperate to like cling to these ideological beliefs.
One thing I find which is very insidious about these extremely effective far-left ideologies is they do a fantastic job of seizing onto actual trauma or actual pain that people have experienced and then attaching ideological language to it.
And then when anyone challenges that ideological language or stance, the person feels as if their trauma is being challenged.
Precisely, and that's why you hear like, you're denying my existence!
Because that's exactly the process that is happening.
All of the emotional baggage is being packaged up into this trans box, this gender identity box.
And then when you misgender that person, or when you argue about the trans ideology, it literally feels like you're taking that whole box full of everything important to that person and throwing it out.
I was just thinking, I wonder if there's a component to this of If the worst trauma you've experienced is based on things you're seeing on the internet versus, I don't know, like your house burning down or, you know, gangbangers shooting at you, then if someone comes to you and says, we don't respect your ideology, you'd be upset by that.
If you're someone who grew up in, you know, gang neighborhoods, super low income areas, drug dealers, people are being beaten, you've seen people get murdered.
I don't know how much you'd actually care about someone challenging your pronouns.
But I would kind of push back on the idea that these are kids who have never experienced any adversity.
So even if they come from a physically sheltered and provided for upbringing, I think that there is a huge common denominator between like, Various forms of kind of relational traumas or just unresolved adversities that they've been through, like divorce is a really big one.
I know that a lot of, you know, detransitioners, they've had, you know, parents who one of the parents was abusive or an alcoholic.
Maybe they weren't, you know, extremely poor or anything, but they had to, you know, grow up with like an addict in the house.
And for me, one of the things that was most personally impactful for me in my mental health issues growing up was a childhood grief that I had really never processed.
Oh man, I'm really scared for a lot of people because you already see like people, I consider myself very lucky in that I didn't really have any long-term physical consequences but like I know people who had their breasts cut off when they were 16 or had their testicles cut off when they were 17 or 18.
And it's just like these people are really hurting, like it's extreme.
It's a lot to wrap your head around and deal with when you've been through that.
And then you have like all the little kids right now who are, you know, they're the ones going through the puberty blockers and they're being put on the cross-sex hormones.
They're going to be 22, 23, 24, 25, and they're going to have to, you know, start thinking back on their childhood and think like, how much was this really my decision?
And like, what are the consequences of this?
So I think there's going to be a lot to reckon with, with those people.
And I don't know if they will all be people who very clearly regret it.
Maybe they'll just be very psychologically disturbed.
I want my kids to just you know do what they want to do like I want them to tell me and I'm like your
Kids don't know what they want to do man Yeah, like you need to you take your kid, and they're like
you got to be you got to be giving your kids something to do
As soon as they're born you should be showing them things You shouldn't be assuming that they're stupid.
Children, human babies, are not stupid.
They lack knowledge.
Children are not stupid.
They lack knowledge.
There are some stupid people, don't get me wrong, but children as a whole are as smart as anybody else, but they lack knowledge, and they lack certain developmental functions in the brain, like risk assessment, things like that, which is why they need parents to guide them, which means a seven-year-old doesn't understand why.
It would be great to learn French.
And you'll be like, trust me, the French lessons are gonna be awesome.
When these people grow up, you're learning another language, and they're in their late 20s, and they're like, oh, I speak two or three languages, wow, all of a sudden they have this valuable skill, it's easier to navigate the world.
Musical instruments, same issue.
I don't wanna do piano lessons.
Parents, if you've got kids who hate doing the piano lesson, it's because you need to get them to hang out with other kids who play music too, so they can be with their peers.
But then when those kids are older and they're really good at an instrument, they're going to be so grateful they can do it.
The problem is I think parents are just like, tell me what you want, we'll do it.
Well, kids don't know what they want.
They want to be, you know, astronauts when they're seven.
It's like, okay, well, if you want to be an astronaut, you got to start doing these things right now.
I think another big issue is that parents have really had their instincts and their decision making capabilities undermined by this idea that, oh, everything needs to be deferred to the experts.
And if you disagree with the expert, well, you're just uneducated and you're just obsolete and you're outdated and you don't have the up-to-date scientific information.
And there's so many parents out there.
I mean, there are those crazy parents who like they're really into transing their kid, but there's also a lot of parents where I just don't think that they have the confidence when some, you know, Can we just acknowledge that there is a happy medium between believing the earth is flat and saying, I'm not a biologist and I can't tell you what a woman is?
and that it's very safe and effective, that they don't have the confidence to actually
go look into that themselves and then oppose that authority figure.
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Mr. Slendy says, can men get pregnant or are we not allowed to have an opinion on abortion?
I mean, I think they have cell notes down in the subways now, but the issue was, I don't think, I think you make a good legal point about how the left runs cities.
Like, oh, you're the one who's going to go to prison if you try and stop this guy, so most people are like, I'm not getting involved.
You know, back in the day, you'd be like, if I get involved, I know I'm not getting in trouble, I'm helping.
Nowadays, it's like, that dude will sue you, and you'll lose, you'll get arrested.
Yeah, I would say that I don't think that every woman just left the Republican Party.
I think that women who left the, sorry, the Democrat Party, I think that women that left the Democrat Party for a reason are going to be like, perfect, this is exactly why I left the Democrat Party.
And the fact they're spazzing out about this is only going to make them more committed.
And Carlin is perhaps misled about this, I would say.
Because this show is kind of like, you know, we got to add the opening monologue from a comedian and a musical guest and then we'll be just like Stephen Colbert.
Yeah, no thank you.
But we do try to make this so that, you know, people can turn this on and their kids might be in the room and we don't, you know, say nasty words just because people like some sanctity around their families.
How should you respond to someone who thinks it's okay to murder a child after they've been born?
I'm not sure what response you could get to that person if they've genuinely said that.
If this is a case where you think that this person's principles lead them to that position, you need to expose that to them and help them understand if this is a person who says that they are okay with slaughtering a child after they've been born.
I'm not sure if a conversation is going to affect that.
I would say to pray for them.
I would say that maybe you can try to persuade them that human life has value, but I don't know.
If someone doesn't believe human life is intrinsically valuable, I don't know what you can say to them, if that makes sense.
Brandon Hill says, I am mostly anti-abortion, but this was the wrong hill to die on at this time.
Now we face ending the filibuster, packing the courts, and losing the midterms because the moderates side with pro-choice.
We lost the culture war.
I do not believe it is true that the moderates side with the Democrats with pro-choice.
I think the issue is the ignorant do, because I'm somebody who's repeatedly said over and over again that I fall in the more safe, legal, and rare category, but there's no one to vote for who supports that, so I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
Are there, like, millennial women who are really planning on getting abortions and they're worried about, like, a woman who's not gotten an abortion is like, I might need one and now this is bad for me?
Because, like, the blue states aren't gonna be getting rid of this.
It's not as if um when you look at this this issue you're absolutely correct but also it's gonna as far as I'm aware even if this passes stay legal in the blue states but it's hilarious because the left is going oh my goodness you know everyone's going to vote for us now because of this and at the same time they're threatening violence and saying we need to riot and have a revolution so I wouldn't be too concerned.
I think the left is really set on handing us a victory here.
I'm not sure what's gonna happen, but if the right does anything which could be considered politically unpopular, the left is gonna react by, like, freaking out and rioting and making themselves look like idiots, so... Alright, Kyle says, Helena, how do you rate male privilege during your brief tenure?
I mean, I don't believe in like the whole privilege oppression stuff, but I just hesitate to say that I had an experience of a man because I don't think I did.
There was this woman who identified as a man and she said her experience was so different and it was sad.
She was like, men are not, like nobody cared about your feelings anymore, men or women, that it was like a very different experience that was very cold and lonely.
It's like when women, when, when men try to like joke with women, the way they joke with other men, women take it like so badly and they get, they, they think it's like the man being mean to her personally.
I think it's because adult men and women cannot be friends.
It might be a stretch, but I think that's why you have a girlfriend and a boyfriend and you have one because you choose to go down that path towards marriage or relationship with one.
And I think that you, I think usually if a guy were to come up to like a female co-worker that he's not really, you know, close friends with or anything and be like, you know, you look so good.
You've been going to the gym.
Like usually that would be from like a flirtatious place.
Timothy Barsotti says, both Breaking Point's hosts agree that if there is one person to blame for Roe overturning it is not Trump, but rather Ruth Bader Ginsburg for not retiring and greeting out the first female president, Hillary.
That's why I think it would be more of a revolution than a civil war because it would be like the federal government's gone too far kind of thing and the states have had enough.
Not only is it a euphemism, the word itself is entirely inaccurate as it pertains to the act.
Interesting.
So maybe we need new words.
So you can say, you know, emergency medical procedure for when it's an emergency medical procedure and termination of the baby, just call it termination of the baby.
I don't actually know that they do because you're right that they'll try to take these hard cases that they will describe, but they'll take these hard cases that they describe as abortions.
Uh, or so the, the examples we've mentioned were like a procedure is performed that puts the child at risk rather than something that directly kills the child.
But then they'll try to use that to like justify going in and killing a child.
And not only that, but like going in and killing a child for any reason.
So, what they are defending at the end of the day is what we would describe as abortion.
What the left describes as abortion ranges from the needless termination of a fetus, killing of the baby, all the way to the baby is already dead and needs to be removed from the womb.
They call that an abortion.
So, like, there needs to be a better way to describe it.
I guess my point is that when they talk about these other instances, they're using it to try to justify completely legal abortion up until the point of birth, basically.
Ashton de Rojas says, the chaos flame description sounds like the frenzied flame from Elden Ring, where you go mad by being exposed to it and spread it around.
Billy Mazik says, told my 13-year-old niece to catch a lightning bug, then asked if she had the right to kill it, even though she clearly had the power.
I then said, if you didn't want to be responsible for it, why did you grab it?
What if someone grabs a lightning bug and throws it at her and it gets in her hair?
And then she's like, ah, get it off me, get it off me.
Iggy the Incubus says, where was the uproar over SCOTUS case five months ago when it initially came out that Roe was effectively done anyways?
This feels like an attempt to galvanize for midterms and distract from the disinfo governing board.
I don't know about the midterms, man.
We're six months away from the midterms.
That's eternity in politics.
Yo, that's why they call it an October surprise.
The news will come out a week before the midterms, and it'll be like Joe Biden farted, and then everyone's gonna go, ah, and they're gonna forget all about this.
Oh, here's a good one.
Scrobaca says, Amazon put out a press release that they would start paying up to $4,000 for travel for staff for medical procedures including abortion yesterday before the SCOTUS leak.
We talked about this on the after show last night, basically.
A cynical, horrifically evil business decision.
People who kill their babies are actually cheaper as employees than people who have children because you don't have to pay them the wage that would be necessary to care for a family.
Ancient Practices and Modern Misconceptions00:04:55
Yeah, so we were sort of talking about this before the show.
This was something in the Old Testament which refers to a procedure if a woman was, it was basically a practice if a woman was accused of adultery.
It's only referenced once and most translations actually refer to it as the woman becoming like infertile if she's cheated on her husband or something.
I think there might be Some that use the phrase which can indicate miscarriage, but most translations refer to it as something more along the lines of fertility.
This is from the old, it's ancient practice where if a woman was thought to have cheated on her husband, they'd go to the priest, the priest would be like, drink this water that I put some dirt in or whatever.
And if you cheated on your husband, you're going to be cursed with miscarriages and infertility.
And so she gets all stressed if she cheated on her husband.
I think the issue is that argument is aligned with the medical exemption the left talks about, but they act like conservatives don't feel that way at all.
I don't think they actually talk to conservatives.
Like that Guardian article from Stephen Marsh, he mentions that Republicans are going to, there's going to be a fight, unrest and rioting and stuff, potentially civil war over abortion.
But he's like, Republicans are gonna lose anyway because banning abortion doesn't stop abortion.
Well, I mean, in certain circumstances, and Ian and I were talking about this earlier, but basically anytime you pass any kind of law, there are gonna be people who break it.
That doesn't mean a law doesn't need to exist in the first place.
You could just sit down in front of the TV and get, like, you know, normal, funny... I mean, they were pretty crappy, too, looking back on them, but it was the cartoons.
And also the NES.
It was the breakthrough of video games, really, that altered my reality, because I had the Atari in 82, and then we got a Nintendo in 85, which was just gobstomping awesome.
And then we got a Sega Genesis, and you're like, what is happening to reality?
All of a sudden now, and then you start to see these photorealistic things, and you're able to manipulate them.
It's funny, because the Genesis was before my time, but we didn't have, like, a video game system as kids, and so we got a Sega Genesis from a garage sale.