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May 5, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - FDA Restricts JJ Vaccine Over Blood Clots w/Ashley St Clair
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tim pool
Major news breaking just earlier today.
The FDA has announced that they're going to be restricting the J&J vaccine for only certain individuals that have to be over 18 and you otherwise cannot receive other vaccines.
So we'll get into this.
This is because of the Um, a blood clot risk.
Now, there's something really funny that's happening in this story, which we can focus quite a bit on, and that's Twitter is using old fact checks to restrict this breaking news, which is dangerous!
Because if, I mean, this news is coming out, the FDA has issued a new guideline, and if they are restricting that news, people could get hurt.
That is the problem with censorship.
So we'll talk about that, but my friends, there's also Pfizer data which came out.
Now, I hate to say it, but I'm fairly confident that if we actually showed the data on what the Pfizer dump was, we would get banned instantly.
I'm not even exaggerating.
It's that insane.
So what we'll do is we're going to save that for the website segment, which comes up after the show and with apologies, I suppose, because I don't know how else we'd be able to actually have these conversations because we're actually going to be showing breaking 911 on Twitter is getting restricted, censored, First, let me just say Elon Musk is expected to be the new CEO of Twitter, at least temporarily, which is huge.
He's brought in more investors.
me to a big announcement. First, let me just say Elon Musk is expected to be the new CEO
of Twitter, at least temporarily, which is huge. He's brought in more investors. We'll
talk about that. Timcast is now officially operating on Rumble infrastructure.
Timcast.com.
It is now faster, stronger, and better, more resilient against censorship.
And it's just the first move we're making in supporting and implementing new infrastructure to make ourselves more resistant to censorship, but also support systems that are.
This is going to put market competition and all these other services like Amazon and Google.
So it's one step.
It's good.
One of the concerns we definitely had in the past was even though we were doing member segments on our own website at TimGuest.com, we could still be censored.
They could come and say, oh, we don't want to host these things.
Well, we're making these changes.
There's a lot of news to go through in terms of censorship.
PayPal is currently under fire for censoring a bunch of independent news.
So we'll talk about all of that, plus we've got news.
about this teacher who was fired for violating the Parental Rights and Education Bill.
So, needless to say, I think today is going to be really, really interesting, and this J&J stuff is particularly fascinating.
Joining us tonight to talk about all of this is Ashley St.
Clair.
ashley st clair
Hello!
tim pool
Do you want to introduce yourself?
ashley st clair
Yes, I am an author of Elephants Are Not Birds, which is a book to combat a lot of the liberal transgender anecdotes going on now.
And I am now the Senior Culture Contributor at The Postmillennial, so check out that stuff with a whole crew of people at thepostmillennial.com.
tim pool
Right on.
seamus coughlin
I'm Seamus Coghlan.
I make cartoons called Freedom Tunes.
We just uploaded one today on the left, leaving Twitter and the fact that they need an alternate platform now.
If they invented one, what would it be like?
I think you guys will enjoy that cartoon.
Also, I'm thrilled to hear that we cannot say what the science is now telling us because that would be anti-science.
Go to Twitter.
ian crossland
I want to know more.
Hey, I'm glad we're working with Rumble too, man.
We've been working in the back, behind the scenes with decentralizing servers and Chris at Rumble, Chris Pavlovsky's been fantastic to work with.
Their crew is amazing.
I'm really happy to be involved in this upgrade of the internet and heading towards Web 3.0 and beyond.
I asked you before the show, Ashley, about your last name, St.
Clair, if there was a St.
Clair.
Turns out there is, Clair of Assisi.
I didn't know much about her, but she was an Italian saint and one of the first followers of Francis of Assisi.
tim pool
That's really cool.
There's a St.
Timothy as well.
Who is that?
unidentified
Gotta be the center of attention.
tim pool
I was gonna ask Seamus, which one is the, is it St.
Timothy who's the one of gastrointestinal distress?
seamus coughlin
I think it is.
We talked about this a little while ago.
I can double check.
I don't want to spread misinformation.
ian crossland
And I've noticed since I've been working with you, gastrointestinal, man, the better I feel in my gut, the better I feel in my mind.
tim pool
Well, is it?
That's who it is?
seamus coughlin
St.
Timothy is the patron saint of stomach and intestinal ailments.
tim pool
That's right!
And I've often heard that my soothing voice cures people's diarrhea.
ian crossland
Is that what they've told you?
seamus coughlin
Tim, I think that's spreading scientific misinformation.
lydia smith
My voice does not cure people's diarrhea.
I'm very sorry, but I'm very excited to have Ashley on this evening.
We're having a lot of fun talking over the show, and I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
tim pool
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But don't forget, head over to timcast.com, become a member, because as much as, you know, I hate to say it, The world we live in is dreadfully censorious.
The reason why this Elon Musk news is so good is because we may be taking back some ground in our ability to communicate.
But there is a story coming out right now.
Many people believe that the Roe v. Wade leak was to cover for the Pfizer data release.
Well, our journalists started looking at the Pfizer data, and the news that's coming out is so shocking I am extremely confident that if I said even one data point from this data, we would be banned instantly.
So how about we'll talk about the FDA's new announcement on the J&J vaccine and the censorship around that, and then we'll go to TimCast.com for the news that they're not going to let us talk about.
It's unfortunate.
But we can still do it on TimCast.com and what I refer to as our little speakies in the members-only segment.
And we also do have the articles up.
So if you're not happy with the way YouTube runs things, don't worry.
We have more infrastructure stuff happening as we move forward.
We can't do it all at once, but I mentioned we are officially on Rumble's infrastructure for our website, so they can't take these articles down.
One step at a time.
We're working as hard and as fast as we can.
As a member, you are making all that possible.
So don't forget, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and let's take a look at this major update from the FDA.
Today, we limited the authorized use of the Janssen COVID-19 vaccine to those 18 and over, for whom other authorized approved vaccines are not accessible or clinically appropriate, and to those who elect Janssen because they would otherwise not receive a COVID vaccine.
So that last part's particularly interesting.
But the news is that it's over the blood clot risk.
U.S.
restricts use of Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine over rare blood clot risk.
The FDA said the shot should be given only to those who request it or cannot receive other vaccines, and you have to be 18 and older.
My understanding is that the data on this is not... I don't think it's new that we've known about the risk of blood clots for some time.
It was actually taken off the market for some time.
So I'm wondering if... I suppose my issue, initially, that we can jump into here, how many people should have gotten this FDA warning some time ago if we knew about the blood clot risk?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, well, if this is something we knew about, everyone should have been able to know.
They should have been able to make an informed decision about what they were putting in their body and the risk it posed to them.
Because this information was kept from us, because we couldn't really accelerate the dialogue around the vaccines in order to get the best information about it, because anyone who contradicted the narrative was told that they were not trusting the science, There are serious consequences.
We're talking about human lives here.
ian crossland
Right.
In an ideal society, immediately everyone should know if there's a problem like this.
But in hypersensitive, censorious areas, you can't.
That's the big problem with censorship.
Not censorship in general, but just misappropriated censorship or over-censor.
What are you going to say?
tim pool
So I was going to say the establishment likes to do this retroactive fact-checking thing where let's say today a man gets in a rocket ship and flies off and he screams I'm going to the moon and we're like oh wow that was crazy and then we come on this show and we say did you hear the story about that guy who got in the rocket ship and yelled he was going to the moon that crazy?
A week later, the news comes out, he actually went to Mars.
And what they'll do is they'll say, fact check false, we'll get flagged, and they'll write stories saying they spread disinformation about the man on the rocket ship who was actually going to Mars.
So what happens is, we can come out and talk about lab leak, for instance, in COVID.
And we'll say, based on the current contextual information, our best assessment is this.
A week later, the news changes.
The fact-checkers then take your old story and call you fake news based on information that came out a week later.
Let me show you.
seamus coughlin
That's not what happens to Fauci, though, ever.
tim pool
Oh, right, right.
ashley st clair
No, but they hid a lot of this information, too.
We knew.
We knew about the blood clots.
We knew about, especially with women, they were having issues with their menstrual cycles, and they covered it up, and all the headlines were, it doesn't affect your period.
It doesn't affect your menstrual cycle.
tim pool
The blood clots are For the first few months, that was the story.
And then a few months later, they're like, oh, by the way, women are reporting issues with their menstrual cycles.
Take a look at this from Breaking 911.
They say, strange how the AP's tweet, same exact headline, isn't flagged as misleading.
The AP said, U.S.
regulators strictly limited who can receive J&J's COVID-19 vaccine due to a rare but serious risk of blood clots.
The FDA said the shot should only be given to adults.
Okay, so we know that.
Now take a look at this photo.
Breaking 9-1-1.
Posting an image.
Breaking.
FDA restricts J&J COVID-19 vaccine due to blood clot risk.
Misleading.
Learn why health officials consider COVID-19 vaccines safe for most people.
Here's the best part.
That misleading tag linked to an April 1st fact check.
So, old information fact-checking a new breaking story.
seamus coughlin
And it could have been an April Fool's joke for all we know.
tim pool
That's right.
How are we supposed to know for sure?
Well, right now, if you look at Breaking 9-1-1, they've actually removed the misleading flag on it.
But they do give Breaking 9-1-1, according to NewsGuard, they give it a fake news.
Here's where it gets even better.
The headline used by Breaking 9-1-1 is identical to the New York Post.
Now I know they said the same as the AP.
The AP's headline was different.
It says, serious but rare.
Theirs doesn't.
But the New York Post is identical.
That's the problem with censorship.
So now we have, we have the story coming out from Pfizer, this big data dump.
And it's actually quite alarming.
And the problem is, the people working at YouTube right now, the censors, many of them are probably not even in the US.
They have no idea.
So even this, even this story right now, breaking the FDA, has strictly restricted the J&J vaccine.
We run the risk of getting banned.
Because YouTube censors are looking at a little, they got like a laminated placard and it says, when to ban someone.
unidentified
They're like, if they talk bad about vaccines, you gotta ban them.
tim pool
Well, they are.
I guess I do.
ian crossland
Yeah, probably more specific, they have a Slack channel where they send it out, this article, and they're like, is this bannable?
They're like, well, no, it's got this.
But if, you know, then they cross-reference it with like, if they do it in this context, yeah.
If it's in this context, no.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
ian crossland
And then they have to make individual decisions.
tim pool
These are outsourced.
These are outsourced.
The people who are doing the banning, many of them aren't in this country, not on Slack channels.
And I think the fact that we're looking at Twitter, this is why I'm making the point, Twitter censored Breaking 9-1-1 due to month-old information.
It's a news story.
That goes to show you the people who are flagging it are not communicating on what this news is.
ashley st clair
But they're not doing it for peanuts either.
It's always in the best interest of these bigwigs, like the Hunter Biden story.
That was the most egregious of all.
But the Hunter Biden story, they're protecting Big Pharma.
It's all of these things.
It's not peanuts that they're going after.
But that's why we need the open source algorithm.
That's why it's so important and what Elon's doing is incredible.
tim pool
I will say to Ian's point, freeing the code, the one thing that we absolutely need to do is free the algorithm, the recommendation, all of that stuff needs to be open source.
I don't think these companies should be allowed to hide that because what do they do behind the scenes?
They lie to Congress about censorship, manipulation.
There was a really great question from a Republican.
I can't remember who they asked.
They said, why is it that when you sign up for Twitter, you are shown nothing but Democrats to follow?
ashley st clair
Really?
tim pool
Yep.
If you are in Washington DC and you sign up for Twitter on a brand new computer, it gives you all Democrats.
And they were like, that must be an oversight on our part.
Free the code!
ian crossland
Till last Tuesday, yeah.
tim pool
Exactly.
Release the code and let us know if you're lying or not.
Because it's one thing, you know, we had this discussion the other night about whether all of the code should be released.
Well, the infrastructure that holds the building up, I disagree with Ian on, but in terms of how they're manipulating what we see and what we think, you shouldn't be allowed to do that.
ian crossland
A lot of people message me about security through obfuscation, which is part of keeping your security code private, and they said that's been completely obliterated and is useless.
You need to open source the security code, too, so it can be poked and prodded and then resolved and made stronger.
But when you say free the code, you've got to be specific.
You need to make these things become interoperable, and I agree that you need algorithm observation.
tim pool
I'm saying specifically for now, where I would agree on releasing the code to the public, Elon Musk says when he gets Twitter, he wants to make the algorithm open source.
And he should.
That way everybody knows that they're not manipulating politics.
ashley st clair
I think they're already doing cleanup, though.
I don't think they want us to know.
And we saw that, the unthrottling of so many accounts.
I was like, wow, all of a sudden I have all these things.
tim pool
I gained like 200,000 followers in a few days.
It's crazy.
ashley st clair
I had been, you know, stagnant, you know, I was still gaining, but it was stagnant for the most part, and then all of a sudden it was like the floodgates opened up for so many people.
But I think they're doing cleanup, and how fast they removed that warning shows it too, that they're a little more cognizant.
tim pool
Well, I tweeted to Elon.
I said, hey yo Elon Musk, check this, an old fact check has restricted a new story about the vaccine.
It got 1000 retweets.
I think I'm not saying it was me.
I'm saying a bunch of people were tweeting out like crazy.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
What's going on?
ian crossland
Yeah, you contributed.
For sure.
You contributed to that.
One problem with open sourcing the algorithm here and seeing is that it doesn't stop an errant administrator from censoring something in India if they're working remote, and they like are like, no, we're gonna we're gonna downvote that you'll you may be able to track that it happened, but you still don't know who did it and why they did it.
That's all business talk.
Now you're saying, do we have to open up their Slack channels so we can watch them communicate?
And that's basically the beginning of the end of the corporation.
But is that also justified?
tim pool
Let's talk about that, man.
I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money that if you took Twitter's internal Slack channels, which is their internal communication between employees... Assuming it's Slack or some other program like that.
Yeah, whatever they're using.
I don't want to drag Slack.
Slack's a great company.
But if they're using some kind of messaging service, And you got to see the full archive.
There's going to be tons of people saying, can we ban the conservatives?
How do we get these people off the channels?
And we know this is not opinion because Project Veritas has already released videos where you have employees of these big tech companies saying, we tried to get them banned.
We tried to get them removed.
ashley st clair
That was Media Matters.
That was Media Matters who was bragging about getting Project Veritas and James O'Keefe ripped off.
tim pool
That reference I was giving was actually, I think, an employee from one of these companies saying that inside the company, we are trying to get them banned.
ashley st clair
But yes, you are correct.
tim pool
They also got Media Matters bragging about getting Veritas themselves.
ashley st clair
And I tweeted it out for them.
I had never been mentioned by Media Matters that I know of.
And I tweeted it out, and I was making fun of that whoever was in the video.
All of a sudden, I was mentioned in a Media Matters article for nothing, for my children's book.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Media Matters is an interesting organization.
We've had a couple conversations about them.
And it's funny because you two are going back and forth about these different examples of the left basically being caught trying to suppress right-wing content, even though they claim that's something that isn't really happening.
Isn't it interesting how the stories that conservatives promote about how our side is being maligned or unfairly treated are actually true?
In literally every single instance of the left upholding its persecution narrative with the story of some kind of hate crime is completely nonsensical and turns out to be untrue when you look into it just a little bit.
tim pool
I just want to shout out that Gizmodo article.
It's the best example of this.
Facebook, former Facebook workers routinely suppressed conservative news outlets.
This is what kicked off the whole story about censorship.
And I see that, and it's 2016, I think I'm working for Fusion at the time, and I was like, hey, look at this news that I know and trust.
Wow, they were censoring conservatives.
unidentified
But Facebook's weird.
tim pool
Then I come out and I say that it's happening, and I get called a liar or right-wing for saying it.
ashley st clair
Facebook's weird, though, because then they were giving a lot of money to Targeted Victory, right, and that was a Republican group, to make things against TikTok as a competitor.
So they're weird.
They'll do things like that.
But now they give money to conservatives and so they're still censoring them.
But it's just such a weird relationship because Facebook, I feel like, is different because they just do whatever for the money.
Whereas I feel like Twitter is a little more beholden to the mob.
But you're seeing how fast they clean this up.
It took them how long for the Hunter Biden story?
And this disclaimer is gone within, what, a day?
tim pool
I think it's really fascinating.
Didn't Fauci say we're out of the pandemic or something like that?
unidentified
I didn't hear it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I did not hear anything like that.
I didn't even know Fauci still existed.
tim pool
Well, maybe you should pay attention to the Fauci News.
seamus coughlin
I thought he vanished.
Would you go to www.fauci.com?
ian crossland
You can't get into another pandemic until you get out of the old one, right?
tim pool
Oh, now we got the chicken thing happening.
ian crossland
I think Bill Gates was like, when we get into the next pandemic, he's getting everybody fearful about the next one already.
seamus coughlin
He's like, we're releasing an update.
tim pool
There's the chicken flu now that they're freaking out about.
ian crossland
So you brought a phone?
ashley st clair
Wasn't that already a thing?
Bird flu?
tim pool
No, but it's like, jump to people.
ashley st clair
It's a new one?
tim pool
Jump to a person.
ian crossland
I kind of feel like I derailed your comment about Fauci.
Was there something you were going to mention?
tim pool
Yeah, he said something about we're out of the pandemic already.
I saw something like that.
And I'm just wondering, you know, MythInformed posted that clip of the Joe Rogan podcast where I asked Vijaya Gadde, would they ban someone for vaccine misinformation?
And she says, no, it's not against our policies.
And I'm not sure if they went and did it.
So their policies changed because the pandemic happened.
Now the pandemic's over.
Is there the same level of risk?
ian crossland
Yeah, this is from WashingtonPost.com.
Fauci says U.S.
is out of coronavirus, quote, pandemic phase.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
ian crossland
That's from Fauci.
That's from the science.
And I'd say that is a joke.
He is not the science.
tim pool
So does Twitter now give up its emergency powers and stops banning people for these things because it's no longer a greater risk?
seamus coughlin
No, I mean, when does any organization, government or otherwise, take power from the public because of some kind of emergency and then give it back once the emergency is over?
tim pool
I mean, uh-oh, what's this?
WebMD says Fauci clarifies out of the pandemic phase.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
ashley st clair
He said, wait, I need another time cover.
tim pool
What are they saying here?
He said, we don't have 900,000 new infections a day.
We are at a low level now.
So if you're asking, are we out of the pandemic phase?
We are.
OK.
So, all right.
Pandemic phase is over.
So do we all move on?
Is that it?
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's over till they don't want it to be over anymore.
This is part of what's so frustrating about this entire thing.
They can flip the narrative in a second, and then they say, oh, the science changes.
And that would be all well and good if they were allowing any dissident who tried to provide the public data that didn't support their narrative of voice, right?
But they silence everybody.
And if the science is always changing, then that's all the more reason to allow people to speak out when they have a perspective that conflicts with the current narrative, because the current narrative could always turn out to be untrue, but they want to have it both ways.
The science is settled.
It's unchanging.
Shut up and listen to us.
We were wrong?
Oh, well, you know, science is a process.
It evolves over time.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about some of the good news and what this means.
We have this story from CNBC.
Elon Musk expected to serve as temporary Twitter CEO after deal closes.
He also raised an additional $7 billion from friends.
So we'll start there.
This sounds like really good news.
I like Elon Musk, right?
He's gonna be the CEO.
So he's gonna be able to go in with his own bare hands and start cleaning things up, firing people.
It also means Parag Agrawal is out as soon as this deal is done.
seamus coughlin
And by the way, when they say temporary, they're like, Elon is going to temporarily be the CEO until he kills himself or dies of mysterious circumstances.
unidentified
Oh, no.
tim pool
Go ahead.
ian crossland
Oh, I have a feeling he wants to get in there, make some specific changes, listen to a bunch of people, and then if he sees someone he thinks is more qualified, he'll let them start executing for him.
tim pool
But here's where it's also interesting.
He raised some money.
I think 1.9 billion of the money he raised came from that Saudi prince who previously said he was not okay with the deal.
So, The New Conspiracy Theory.
Apparently, I don't know, look this up, Ian.
Elon Musk was wearing a jacket at the Met Gala that said New World Order on the back, but in white embroidery on a white jacket so you couldn't really see it.
You want to look that up?
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm looking it up now.
ashley st clair
Did it really?
ian crossland
This is from investmentwatchblog.com.
unidentified
Is it?
tim pool
Let me see if I can find it as well.
ian crossland
Bloomberg confirms Elon is a young global leader for Klaus Schwab, WEF, Great Reset.
This is the title from InvestmentWatch.com from April 16th.
tim pool
I think this might be fake news.
ian crossland
That's a while ago.
tim pool
Oh, no.
Okay.
Here we go.
ian crossland
It was like almost a month, three weeks ago.
seamus coughlin
It could be.
ashley st clair
No, that was with Grimes.
That wasn't this one.
tim pool
Yeah, this is old.
What is that photo?
That was an old photo, but the 2018 Met Gala.
It was the 2018.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
That says New World Order.
Well, there you go.
Yeah.
So he was wearing, it says Novus Ordo Seclorum, meaning New World Order on the back.
ashley st clair
Well, his takes are suspiciously based, you know, because it's all of it's like the red meat for what we want to hear.
You're like, oh, you're calling out Big Pharma.
Oh, you're calling out all of these people.
Oh, you're replying to CERN.
Oh, you know, it's what's going on.
It was overnight.
tim pool
So you have this wave of populism and they're resisting it.
They're trying everything to censor it and shut it down.
No matter what they do, they can't win.
So they say, okay, we need a ringer.
Someone who's gonna flank the populists who are calling out this BS and be on their side and say everything they want.
Elon Musk is also the guy who's up running Tesla plants in China or whatever, or praising China on Chinese social media.
Pretty sure, we'll check into that.
But so, I don't necessarily care for the crazy idea because What he's doing is good for freedom, good for personal responsibility.
ashley st clair
You're never going to agree with someone 100%.
And the thing about Elon is he, when you hear him talk, especially about AI and stuff, he seems genuinely concerned about the fate of humanity and where we're going.
So I, it might be genuine.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, I was saying this when we were in Nashville, and the story about Elon even discussing buying Twitter first broke.
I am optimistic in some ways.
I'm also cautious.
You know, I'm not like a giant Elon fan, but I have liked what he's been saying, and I'm gonna take the evil I don't know over the evil I know, because the people currently running that website are absolutely terrible.
So, I want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt here, but who knows?
He, I mean, We should consider all possibilities.
tim pool
Elon Musk flanks the Liberty side saying everything they want to hear.
Oh yeah, the Epstein stuff.
How come no one's talking about that?
Oh, look at these leftist organizations trying to shut us down.
And then everyone's like, yes, and really you're just buying into the same... It seems too based.
ashley st clair
It's too based.
What are your gripes with Elon?
seamus coughlin
Um, so some of what Tim talked about with him having plants in China, it's not just that though.
My point isn't that I actively dislike him, it's just that I don't really know him or his agenda well enough at this point to say I'm a big fan or that I trust him.
tim pool
I'm a big fan.
Dude's building Starship, Starlink, those are awesome.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I'm a fan of a lot of the stuff he's doing.
And I don't actively dislike him.
Like I said, I'm very cautiously optimistic about what he's doing here.
I like the things that he's doing, but I don't want to quite sign up for the, you know, Elon bandwagon.
ian crossland
That's a very conservative take of you, sir.
tim pool
I'm very cool with everything Elon is doing for the most part.
You take a look at Jeremy's razors.
They make their razors in China, I believe.
And a lot of people got angry.
And Jeremy explained to us, this is Jeremy Boren, co-CEO of Daily Wire, You can't make these things here.
Like it doesn't happen.
So they tried.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so he's like, if we raise enough money, absolutely, we're going to open a plant here and do everything.
ian crossland
And charge you three times more for the razors because there won't be slaves making them.
tim pool
And that's true, too.
And then you've got Elon Musk praising China.
The way I see it is I'm not as concerned about this.
My concern is intent and what he's working on.
So take a look at us, for instance.
Here we are on YouTube, knowing we can't talk about the FISA data release.
Do we not do the show and have zero reach on any of these topics?
Or do we say, okay, we're going to do what we can with the platforms we have and then try and find alternatives?
Elon Musk is doing so much good.
Yes, he's got praise for China or a plant in China, but I'm wondering what the total weight is going to be.
If it's like 60% doing really good things, fixing things, and then 40% is in the bad area, I'm like, it's not absolute.
You gotta weigh the good with the bad.
seamus coughlin
And I would agree with you on that too.
I would absolutely agree.
The one thing about Musk that I really do like, and I've mentioned this before, is the fact that he seems to be, at least in his rhetoric, very pro-human.
And also, not just in his rhetoric, in his behavior.
He has Quite a lot of children.
The man believes that human life is a good thing.
He warns against the birth dearth, or the fact that we're going to experience serious consequences from being underpopulated.
So he's trying to encourage people to have more children.
I think those are all great things.
tim pool
Doesn't that sound weird, though?
ashley st clair
He's got like seven of them, doesn't he?
tim pool
Well, no.
I mean, does he?
ashley st clair
He's got a lot.
tim pool
I just think it's weird for him to come out and be like, overpopulation's a myth.
It's like, that's a little too on the nose.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't know.
I just think every other billionaire on the planet and really every member of that kind of elite class says the exact opposite.
It's fantastic to have a voice who's telling the truth about it.
tim pool
Bill Gates came out and was dragging Elon and he was like, I think he's gonna make it worse!
ashley st clair
The billionaires are fighting!
seamus coughlin
Money fight!
tim pool
The annoying thing about Bill Gates is he's just such a evil person.
He's the kind of guy who's sitting there, he's talking in this interview about censorship, He's the kind of guy who would be like, I don't understand why poor people have messy homes!
Just have your maid clean everything for you, and your butler can bring you your scotch!
seamus coughlin
Did he actually say that?
No, I'm making a joke.
tim pool
The point is, he says, we shouldn't allow people to have open communication on the internet.
And it's like, yeah, you're a rich dude who can do whatever you want, and you don't want the poor people to have access to their rights of speech.
I get it.
That's the annoying thing.
It's this vapid elitist like, why don't you just have the help clean your floors?
Because people don't have help.
They have to do it themselves.
But he's this rich guy who's like, why would anyone want this information?
Dude, you are not the arbiter of truth and morality.
You're some dude who sold software.
You are also not a healthy person either.
And then he complained.
Get this.
He said, is Elon going to allow COVID vaccine misinformation?
Twitter just censored new breaking information because of your stupid policies.
So sit down and shut up.
You have no idea what you're talking about, old man.
seamus coughlin
You don't think he's in good health, man?
I was thinking about trying the Bill Gates diet.
I want to figure out what he's eating.
ian crossland
Well, you let your gut get really huge.
You have to make sure your neck is sticking forward and then hug yourself a lot when you're nervous.
I think that'll get you right to where Bill's at right now.
Bill, heal up, man.
tim pool
If all we get from Elon Musk is this meme, Elon Musk has done the ultimate good.
That's sweet.
ian crossland
It is.
Bill, fix your posture!
Get it backwards!
tim pool
So he writes, in case you need to lose a boner fast, and it's Bill Gates, and then next to it is the pregnant man emoji, but can I just point out how strange it is that Bill Gates is wearing a blue shirt, like the pregnant man, with a big gut, like the pregnant man, but the haircut!
The haircut's the same!
Same haircut!
No glasses though.
unidentified
So bad.
ian crossland
We're not overpopulated, by the way.
The people are just mal-aligned at the moment.
We have too many people in these small pockets of cities with not enough rail.
It's hard to get food from the farm to the city, but if we have, like, low-orbit drone transfer, we could have, like, easily 17 billion people on this planet right now.
tim pool
Did you see the slingshot they made for orbit launching, where it's like, It's this tube, and they put something in it, and then it spins around like crazy and then flings- That's what I'm talking about!
ian crossland
Okay, so you put an underground track where you have a magnet, push it, so it goes up, and then you kick on the propellers and take it the rest of the way.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
It spins really, really fast, and then just momentum will get you into orbit.
It's a slingshot?
Yeah, it's an orbit-launching slingshot.
ian crossland
And you can catch things like that from other planets.
When you slingshot it towards the other planet, the other thing catches you and then slows you down.
tim pool
And then you're crazy.
seamus coughlin
Sounds really uncomfortable.
tim pool
Imagine if farmers were like, we got the latest shipment of corn,
and they put it in this thing that spins it and flings it in outer space and it lands in London.
seamus coughlin
By the time you got it, it would be popcorn.
tim pool
No, it wouldn't.
seamus coughlin
Why would it be?
It gets so much heat, you're shaking it up.
ashley st clair
The fall.
ian crossland
Yeah, I guess the- You would use propellers.
tim pool
Oh, that would be- No, no, no, we're coming back into the atmosphere.
seamus coughlin
It's on fire.
ian crossland
I think we've got to use ion thrusters in the stratosphere to guide it.
And then once it gets out of the stratosphere again, or you press ion thrusters from above to push it back down,
and then you kick the propellers back on to slowly bring it in.
If it's lightweight enough, the friction won't destroy it.
tim pool
When I saw the meme that Elon posted about Bill Gates and the pregnant man, I just, I couldn't understand because it's perfect.
ashley st clair
We all hate Bill Gates.
I mean, all the conservatives, the one billionaire, they're like, no, it's Bill Gates.
They're even okay with Jeff Bezos.
tim pool
But this was because Bill Gates shorted Tesla.
And he said, I can't take your climate change.
When did he do that?
He's got a $500 million short position.
And Elon said, I can't take your climate change activism seriously if you have a short against the company doing the most to fight climate change.
I look at this meme and I'm like, it's like they made a cartoon of Bill Gates.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
They made a cartoon of him.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Elon Musk, I have to say that I definitely admire him because he's one of the only voices that I've heard being actively pro-human.
Not pro-life as such, but being very like, we need to bring up the birth rate.
Kids are very important.
He does have seven.
I think he has seven kids by a bunch of different ladies, but he's doing his part.
Like he's not like, not practicing what he preaches.
ian crossland
You think it's better to have seven kids with multiple wives?
lydia smith
Or one kid with one wife?
Well, I think it's better to bring seven children into the world with one woman.
I think that would be the ideal life for those kids.
But if you are going to tell people to have a bunch of babies, then you should be doing the same, you know?
ian crossland
With a bunch of women?
unidentified
Sure, why not?
ian crossland
I don't know about that.
I mean, who's the father?
Who's fathering these kids?
unidentified
Elon's the father.
seamus coughlin
Who's mothering these kids?
ian crossland
Where are the kids at?
Are they at their mom's or their Elon's?
lydia smith
I think that he had five with one lady.
ashley st clair
I think he's probably got a lot of help.
lydia smith
Yeah, he has a lot of help.
ian crossland
So he's hired people to raise his kids?
seamus coughlin
I agree with you that it's not good to have a bunch of different kids with different women.
It's definitely not.
lydia smith
That's why I say it's better to have seven kids with one lady.
ashley st clair
It's not ideal, but he practices what he preaches, right?
ian crossland
I would love to have a hundred kids with a hundred women.
ashley st clair
You would have a hundred babies?
ian crossland
And just walk away and not even have to think about it.
How great life would that be for my wild animals?
tim pool
Didn't he build a school for his kids?
seamus coughlin
I just want to say this.
How disturbing is it that it's refreshing to us to hear one of the most powerful people in the world say that they don't think there should be fewer humans.
ashley st clair
He's probably the only billionaire that thinks that because many of them are like futurists and they're like everything's bad.
tim pool
I want to make this announcement now, guys, because we're moving on from censorship.
We have this tweet from me.
I am excited to announce that TimCast.com is now officially hosted on Rumble Video's cloud services and video hosting.
This is step one in utilizing and building more resilient infrastructure for communication amid the culture war and mass censorship.
Big news just happened.
PayPal banned a bunch of independent media outlets.
Matt Taibbi wrote about it.
The New York Post picked it up.
This is terrifying, and we don't know why.
Russian disinformation or some other nonsense?
When they come out with this disinformation governance board, Mayorkas was like, it's not gonna target Americans.
No, I'll tell you what's gonna happen.
They're gonna say the story about Biden is Russian disinformation.
Then PayPal and other financial services will ban independent media outlets that are talking about or sharing this story.
Considering we did an article deep diving into the Pfizer data that we can't talk about on YouTube, I think it's fair to say that the powers that be are gonna be not too happy with what our website is doing.
However, our web services are now hosted by Rumble.
While I don't think Rumble is completely invulnerable or perfect, it's way better than being on Amazon, Google, or any other, you know, host that's gonna be in Silicon Valley and gonna have all these weirdo crackpot rules.
So, one thing we did is this.
We've got a bunch of other stuff happening we're currently working on, but we're announcing it as it comes.
So, Step one, get the website off of Big Tech Silicon Valley.
There we go.
It's part of a different kind of cabal that's forming, but at least it's market competition.
At least we're supporting someone who's giving the middle finger for now to Amazon Web Services.
In the future, Rumble may become the biggest.
They may be Amazon Web Services, but as long as there's competition, things are getting better.
ian crossland
Chris talks a lot about, Chris Pavlosky, the CEO of Rumble, talks a lot about open sourcing stuff and decentralizing servers.
I'm 100% on board with decentralizing servers.
When you talk about open sourcing stuff, that's great, but the proof is in the pudding, my man.
Open source the code, free the software, go AGPL3.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we don't talk about this enough, right?
But AWS and the hosts who allow people to keep their websites up, they have a tremendous amount of power.
We generally look at the big tech companies like YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, the ones that really allow you to get exposure.
But you should be able to have a website as sort of an escape hatch, so you can direct your fans there in case you do get banned.
But then it's the case that, like you said, Amazon could end up taking you down.
tim pool
And the other risk is we use PayPal.
You know, a lot of people said they don't like it and they didn't want to use it.
And I know, simply by talking about what PayPal has done to these independent reporters and personalities, we run the risk of putting ourselves on their radar, and they gave no justification for why they banned these people.
And in one instance, I believe they said they're seizing the assets to see, like, to decide what to do with it.
ashley st clair
They've done that with bank accounts, too, though.
Chase was banning conservatives.
I believe Laura Loomer was kicked off of Chase Banking.
There's so many of them that they can't even bank.
She couldn't use Comcast services for her ads, I believe, so it's far-reaching.
seamus coughlin
And that's just the free market at work and it's acceptable, but Elon Musk buying Twitter is fascism.
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Yep.
seamus coughlin
Thanks, Robert Reich.
tim pool
So we got to do a lot to continually expand our infrastructure.
The first step was we're definitely looking at payment processors.
We're looking at video.
So we're using Rumble's video hosting for all our member stuff.
We're using Rumble's cloud services.
The next thing we gotta look at is payment infrastructure, but the reason we did this first was if they take the website down, like anyone in the chain says we're not gonna service you, we're not gonna link your domain, whatever, we're not gonna provide you hosting, site's gone.
Financials, we lose money, but we'll figure something out.
The next step is to secure this system, and then we will be much more resilient.
ian crossland
We got PayPal, Stripe.
I don't know if Stripe's on the site right now.
tim pool
Stripe is our primary.
ian crossland
And then, did you mention the other one, the Rumble?
tim pool
We don't have any other one.
ian crossland
I think cryptos is very promising for the future.
They finally started taxing it properly for the most part, so you can kind of get away with using it for payments.
And then you don't have to dabble with the fiat at all.
You still got to pay taxes on it.
But I think that's really, really good.
It's all digital all the time.
And the Swift payment system can't mess with it, at least overtly.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
So here's my question, Tim.
When we look at Rumble, we look at these other services.
Is there a better way to do this eventually that we could, you know, imagine down the line where there isn't some centralized service you have to go to in order to be hosted?
ian crossland
Yeah, you want to decentralize servers.
You were talking about mesh networking, which is where all of our devices are a piece of the server.
And if one goes down, the server is still up because all the other pieces are working together.
It works near frequency right now.
You can get things like Noster, N-O-S-T-E-R.
There's another one called Briar, I think, services where you can communicate when it's not on the internet.
You don't need an internet.
You have a local net.
That's kind of the future.
If we can somehow link up some sort of global mesh net.
You know, Tesla was working on sending electricity through the ocean and underground to people.
So we may be able to Wi-Fi each other.
tim pool
Oh, you mean actual Tesla?
ian crossland
Nikola Tesla.
Yeah.
And so we may be able to communicate with each other through ground.
tim pool
I thought you were talking about Elon Musk.
I was like, wait, what?
ashley st clair
Imagine you're swimming in the ocean and you get zapped.
ian crossland
That'd be wild.
I guess it'd be Wi-Fi.
It wouldn't be electricity.
It'd be Wi-Fi.
He was obsessed with sending electricity, which was really kind of hard.
I think that was hurting stuff and causing crazy, you know, amorphisms in the environment.
tim pool
What do you mean?
ian crossland
uh like he would cause he caused an earthquake one time in lower manhattan did he really yeah yeah no no nikola tesla it was like in the early 1900s and they went down to his office they're like what's going on dude and they came and they eventually shut him down because it was too much they shut down his uh Yes.
Yes, I did.
what's it called? Wardenclyffe, his big tower where he was trying to project wireless electricity around. I don't know
if he was damaging stuff with that.
But they did it.
tim pool
It sounds like he might have been. You ever hear the story about that dude who made the radioactive death ray in his
garage?
seamus coughlin
Yes. Yes, I did.
tim pool
What's the element called Americium?
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
lydia smith
Americium.
Americium?
I don't know how it's pronounced.
It's like the word America.
tim pool
He was like collecting smoke detectors and then using the little radioactive bits and putting it inside like a container and then it would focus the beam and then he was like covered in radioactive like lesions.
unidentified
What part of that seemed like a good idea though?
seamus coughlin
The part where you'd end up having a death ray?
Yeah, duh.
tim pool
I guess.
ashley st clair
What was he going to do with that?
seamus coughlin
That's wild, I know.
That is wild.
Maybe like the neighbor's cat kept coming over, bothering him.
tim pool
I guess the government found out and offered him a job.
But then he kept making death rays, so they just eventually arrested him.
seamus coughlin
What did they think he was going to do?
What did they think he was gonna do?
tim pool
I don't know, but like, dude made a death ray in his garage.
seamus coughlin
What would you do with a death ray?
Well, it's just like, you made a death ray, here's a bunch of money.
You made more death rays?
unidentified
What?
seamus coughlin
For shame.
tim pool
No, no, no, think about it.
They found a guy who made a focused, like, radioactive beam.
That's silent assassination, you know?
You could, like, be in a cafe and, like, point it at some guy.
ian crossland
Yeah, it looks like it was Americium.
You're just death raying?
Americium-241 is the chemical.
ashley st clair
Death ray people at the cafe, Tim.
lydia smith
Wikipedia calls him a nuclear radiation enthusiast who built a homemade neutron source at the age of 17.
Holy crap!
ashley st clair
Wait, but he died from the death ray?
lydia smith
I'm not sure.
He died in 2016.
Could have been from multiple different things, but I'm assuming they're radiation poisoning heads.
tim pool
David Han.
unidentified
Radioactive Boy Scout or the New Year Boy Scout.
If I die and my name is Radioactive Girl Scout, that'd be awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, this was in 2007.
Oh, this was second time.
Second neutron device found in his freezer.
unidentified
Crazy.
tim pool
Larceny of smoke detectors.
In Michigan, he was allegedly removing a number of smoke detectors from the halls of his apartment building.
ashley st clair
Where were his parents?
lydia smith
Right, seriously.
unidentified
Oh, that's just little Timmy building radioactive death rays in the garage.
seamus coughlin
I think if you can build a radioactive death ray, you could probably escape your parents' view, you know?
lydia smith
Yeah, probably.
That's fair.
That's a fair point.
tim pool
His death was ruled as an accidental result of intoxication from the combined effects of alcohol, diphenhydramine, and fentanyl.
ian crossland
Yikes.
tim pool
I don't remember where I read this story, but I remember reading it.
They said his mugshot, he was covered in legions.
So, somehow we are talking about fighting censorship.
Now we start talking about Nikola Tesla transmitting energy.
ian crossland
We're talking about mesh networking.
tim pool
Now we have a guy with a death ray.
ashley st clair
Don't censor our death ray.
ian crossland
If we could build a stabilized mesh network, I'm really interested in the idea of sending Wi-Fi underground, through the ground.
ashley st clair
What do you think the effects of Wi-Fi everywhere would be, though?
I feel like it's not good for us.
ian crossland
I think it's driving people wacky.
Like, squirrely.
I think it's heightening people's tension.
You think that's why we're tense?
Yeah, I think that's part of it.
Diet and frequency.
ashley st clair
Maybe turn up the frequency.
ian crossland
That might be.
I haven't seen a lot of evidence about it though, but it just feels like it.
tim pool
Have you ever held your phone close?
ashley st clair
There's different studies about how the rays affect women's reproduction.
ian crossland
Productive systems and stuff, but I don't think we're ever gonna know for a very long time Well, it's all non ionizing radiation I would carry my phone in my left pocket from the age from like 2000 to 2014 and all of a sudden one day It started getting really sore my leg right where I took what had it took it out for like three days And it was no longer sore.
I've no longer carry this thing in my pocket Never never never unless I have to get it somewhere I did the Raisinville thing and I carry my cell phone in my underwear.
lydia smith
That's much better.
unidentified
That's a cod piece.
tim pool
No problem.
That'll keep you safe.
ashley st clair
It'll protect you from errant baseball accidents.
Put it in the little pocket up there.
tim pool
I always actually wondered about that because when I was on the ground doing reporting I would wear it on my chest and the camera would be rolling and it'd be clipped to my chest and I'm like if I ever get cancer in my chest I'll know exactly why.
But it's like you have heart cancer.
ashley st clair
I feel like we're not, we're not capable of operating as a species without all this stuff anymore.
There's no way for us to disconnect now.
ian crossland
We went to, we went to, um, uh, we, when we were coming back from Nashville, we went, we stopped and we stayed at this beautiful like place overlooking this waterfall, but there was no wifi and it was really concerned.
Like I was really like upset for the night.
Kind of.
I was like, well, how will I, what am I even worried about?
Like, how will I, what fill in the blank?
How will I connect with like, just connect with nature, man.
The waterfall smells great.
tim pool
We'll get back on track now.
We have a story from Fox News.
Gavin Newsom savagely mocked as disgusting transphobe for claiming men can't get pregnant at abortion rally.
Quote, if men could get pregnant, this wouldn't even be a conversation, the governor told the crowd of abortion supporters.
You know what is missing from this headline, though?
He was mocked by conservatives in jest as a transphobe.
Because the left doesn't care that he said this.
But Gavin Newsom said that if men could get pregnant, this would be a conversation.
I was told back in 2016 by the Daily Beast that men were getting pregnant.
We have that story about the pregnant man.
What's he talking about?
seamus coughlin
Wait, so the left is not mocking him at all?
That's surprising to me, because they usually eat their own.
I mean, I am not surprised that conservatives are ripping on him, but the left's usually pretty good at eating their own.
ashley st clair
No, but they don't care.
They don't care.
We saw how fast they were able to define what a woman was when the decision leaked.
They're like, all of a sudden we know what it is.
seamus coughlin
Don't make laws about women's bodies.
ian crossland
This is why I don't get sarcastic as a rebuttal to someone I don't agree with, because they'll take you out of context and make you sound like an idiot.
tim pool
I agree with the argument.
unidentified
I agree.
Bunch of men.
tim pool
Men should not be passing laws on women's bodies.
I completely agree.
And that means that the Supreme Court in 1973 that was all male should not have enshrined
Roe v. Wade, right?
seamus coughlin
That's right.
ian crossland
But they passed a law saying you can't pass a law.
They what?
They passed a law saying you can't pass a law.
They told the states you can't pass.
They passed a law that or they made a Supreme Court decision that states can't pass laws.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the First Amendment.
ian crossland
The First Amendment says... They said, we're choosing to decide that they can't choose whether or not to decide if you can choose.
tim pool
That's literally what the Constitution does.
Like, it restricts the government from doing certain things.
So, this is funny, when everybody got mad about the Parental Rights and Education Bill, like Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks, he's just, oh man, he's always... He's so useless.
But he was like, you're opposing free speech.
And it's like, yo, the government can restrict itself.
Like imagine if Ian declared, I will no longer be allowed to talk about freeing the code.
They'd be like, you're violating your free speech.
Like, no, he's choosing not to talk.
seamus coughlin
Also, I'm curious if Cenk thinks that not being able to teach creationism in schools is a violation of religious freedom.
tim pool
It's a violation of free speech. Teachers should be allowed to discuss creationism with kids in secret.
seamus coughlin
That's right. And say don't tell your parents what we taught you here today, all right?
tim pool
And the math problems are like, what was the one? Jesus rose.
seamus coughlin
Noah needs to get the animals on his ark. There's two animals each species. There's
this many species. How many animals do we have? To create some nuance on the government
ian crossland
restricting itself, you've got the federal government restricting the state government.
And those are not the same governments, you might argue.
ashley st clair
They're not restricting them, though.
I mean, they're giving them the freedom.
tim pool
No, no, no.
The First Amendment at the federal level protects us against state repression as well.
But that was a court case.
Someone was mentioning this on the show, that it didn't used to be that way.
That the federal government only referred to itself, and the states referred to themselves.
But at some point, the federal government superseded all of the states.
ian crossland
It had to do with the Farmer Revolt in like 1783, I think.
I'm not sure if those years are right, but oh, anyways.
seamus coughlin
I'll talk about that later.
Well, yeah, also on this point of it being a restriction of free expression to not allow teachers to spread their perverse sexual practices for students.
I mean, like, okay, even if that was the case, then fine, teachers shouldn't be expressing their perverted sexuality to students.
But it's not as if there is such a thing as a right, A, to have secret conversations with other people's children, but B, to be part of an institution that the parents are funding with their tax money and not give the parents a say in what their children are being taught.
There's no such right.
tim pool
Actually, Seamus, it's the 31st Amendment that teachers shall have the right to have secret conversations with children about sex and tell the children not to tell their parents.
seamus coughlin
See, this is why I gotta study civics more, man.
tim pool
Oh, that's the Constitution in 20 years.
ashley st clair
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
If you want to talk about sex with my child, do not pass go.
Do not collect $200.
Straight to jail.
Straight to jail.
Right to jail.
ian crossland
Will you homeschool?
Are you or will you homeschool?
ashley st clair
I don't know, he's peeing on me right now.
I haven't really gotten that far.
ian crossland
Have you educated him about not doing, not peeing on you yet?
ashley st clair
No, I just tell him elephants are not birds, you can buy the book at Brave Books.
seamus coughlin
Brave Books?
tim pool
You have to be like, excuse me sir, please don't pee on me.
ashley st clair
No, you know what he does?
You know what he does?
He laughs And then he peed.
unidentified
That's great.
ashley st clair
Because he likes my reaction.
I scream every time, so he laughs and then he pees.
lydia smith
Oh, good for him.
ian crossland
Someone else laughed until they peed last night.
unidentified
Who was that?
Oh my gosh, I don't know.
What?
ian crossland
That was a dream I had.
unidentified
I don't remember.
lydia smith
Maybe it was a dream.
ashley st clair
You had a dream you laughed until you peed?
ian crossland
No, it wasn't me.
No, I was watching scare videos on YouTube and some girl was like, ha ha ha, and looked down to see if she peed herself.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh, good stuff.
ashley st clair
What kind of stuff are you watching?
ian crossland
So many things.
tim pool
So what were we talking about?
Oh yeah, Gavin Newsom changed his political position for convenience.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yes.
lydia smith
Yeah, so I said, pro tip, if they say no uterus, no opinion, just remind them that trans women are women.
And somebody said, sarcasm further entrenches differing opinions.
You're literally doing their work for them by further adding credibility to the premise, even if you're trying to be funny.
I'm not trying to be funny at all.
I'm trying to illuminate to them the duplicity of their own arguments by using them.
tim pool
They don't care.
I tweeted, uh, pregnant men have no say in abortion because they are men.
lydia smith
I don't care if they don't care.
I care if the people watching care.
tim pool
Well, yeah, but the people who already agree with us, I guess, you know, what we're looking for is people who aren't paying attention.
lydia smith
Moderates.
Yes.
tim pool
You know, to see people who aren't paying attention.
They're not necessarily moderates.
They're also liberals who aren't paying attention.
They don't know what's going on.
but I tweeted, pregnant men have no say in abortion because they are men. And I really
do feel like it's a perfect tweet because you literally can't argue anything about it.
Because they're both left-wing positions, but they both contradict. So it's like,
which of your positions are you mad about? So it's like, tell me I'm wrong, but which of your
positions are you mad about? That men can't have a say on this or that pregnant men do have a say
ashley st clair
I don't even care anymore.
I'm just so tired of the not-common-sense.
Men are not women.
I don't care.
I don't even need to make fun of your argument.
Common sense is common sense.
Men are not women.
And I'm so tired of living in this clown world.
It's a clown world at this point.
ian crossland
Yeah, men are not really able to get pregnant, right?
ashley st clair
No.
ian crossland
No.
unidentified
Not at all.
tim pool
I'm not sure what Arnold Schwarzenegger... Let's break it down.
Here's what happens.
Blaire White is always the go-to example, conservative trans woman.
But I bring up Blaire because Ben Shapiro said, in writing, he would use he, him pronouns for Blaire because Blaire is male.
But in public, it's too complicated to explain to a person that Blaire is male.
So if he was like, someone said, where should I sit?
Oh, go sit by her.
Because he can't, if he says him, people would be like, where?
I don't see, you know, it'd be confusing.
ashley st clair
Can you say Blaire?
tim pool
But if the person didn't know who Blair was.
And so what happens then is, we recognize that, you know, someone who is like a trans man or a trans woman, for ease of conversation, people might be like, oh, her, she, etc.
But then it translates into a legal realm where a younger generation who's growing up with it says, then they are women.
If you accept this.
So it starts with tolerance of being like, okay, for the ease and purpose of communication, we'll just say we get it.
But then young people are like, that's a woman.
And so now you have men can get pregnant.
When man is defined as adult human male, adult human males can't get pregnant.
So I tweeted, trans women are not adult human females.
Because they're literally not according to every dictionary, to Wikipedia, to every encyclopedia, to every understanding.
And I got two reactions.
One was, congratulations, Tim, you idiot.
You just discovered the difference between sex and gender.
The others were, you're a bigot.
That's not true.
Why would you say this?
And like, now we're going to come after you.
And I'm like, I didn't say anything to anybody.
I didn't target anybody.
I didn't insult anybody.
I made a fact statement based on Wikipedia.
That's all it was.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, also, oh, you discovered the difference between sex and gender.
Actually, there is no such distinction.
It was invented by a pervert and pedophile named Dr. John Money.
ashley st clair
Yes, he was a weirdo.
He was an actual... He was a very... Didn't he had studies about, like, seven-year-olds?
seamus coughlin
That's Kinsey.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, well, Money also did.
So, yeah, Dr. John Money had an infant boy given a sex change at a young age because he underwent a botched circumcision and then had the parents raise him as a girl and he forced them... And then both of them killed themselves.
Yeah, he forced him and his brother, he forced him to live as a girl, and he forced him and his brother into doing, like, depraved acts on camera.
tim pool
Adult activity.
seamus coughlin
Yes, yeah, on camera and filmed it.
Disgusting pervert.
He coined the terms gender identity, sexual orientation, he got the DSM to adopt the term paraphernalia instead of deviance.
tim pool
And then they both killed themselves.
ian crossland
This is the double-edged sword of TV, radio, internet, is that we see this crazy stuff now because people have probably been doing this for millennia, chopping people apart and doing it.
But now we see it.
ashley st clair
But they weren't celebrated like they are now.
ian crossland
Exactly, no.
You saw how gross it was at the time.
But the double edge of that is that the mind virus can spread.
Like if people think they're frogs and people don't feel accepted and they want to be part of a group, they go to become part of the I'm a frog group.
ashley st clair
Especially for children, too, and it's really confusing to tell them it's interchangeable at any time you want.
I mean, if you tell a kid they're a rabbit, they're gonna hop around and ask for carrots.
That's just how kids are.
And you have, I'm in New York City, you know, you have nine-year-olds there that are saying they're transgender.
And they're presenting as, you know, a little girl presenting as a boy, and their parents are okay with it, and it's like a status symbol there.
It's like, oh, I'm so loving and accepting, and they're putting it on these kids.
Like, this kid's not a boy.
They have no idea what they're doing.
tim pool
There's a libs of TikTok video that just went up where the mother is doing a grammar lesson with her child, her son.
And it's a bunch of sentences.
Juan went on the swing.
Sarah rode her bike.
Or Sarah, you know, yeah, like got on, you know, on her bike or whatever.
And it's like, which pronoun would you use?
And he put they for all of them.
And the mom was like, why did you do that?
And he's like, because we don't know what gender they are.
And she goes, but look at their names.
And he goes, you said nothing is a boy or a girl.
And she was like, but, They're names.
And then she went, well, I guess I have to give you an A because I did say it.
It's like she's confused that when she tells a little boy, these names are not boy or girl.
So he goes, I guess I'll use they, because he doesn't know the difference between a male and a female name.
seamus coughlin
I mean, the ideological underpinnings of the left that have been forced on this country have actually mandated adults to become dumber than children is the moral of that story.
ashley st clair
Because they want to throw out rationalization and reasoning.
They don't want you to think.
ian crossland
My fear is that it hasn't even been forced on people that they've acquiesced to.
They've chosen it because they feel so dissolved over the future.
ashley st clair
No, I think kids are pressured.
ian crossland
The kids are forced into it.
The adults, however, are disenfranchised.
They have no hope, so they revert to just insanity.
tim pool
You're missing the big picture here.
We used to grow up in the real world.
We used to have animals.
We used to watch animals.
We used to watch each other.
We used to be on farms.
We used to work hard.
We used to recognize that if you didn't wake up at 6 a.m.
and tell the field you didn't eat, now we have everything.
We have good times making soft people.
They don't see livestock.
They don't know how animals work.
They don't know where their food comes from.
So they're growing up completely detached from reality.
That's what's happening.
That parent who's like, why is my son doing these things?
It's because she grew up in a bubble world with no requirements.
So it's just this confused state of, I should have things for free, nothing is real, blank slate, all of that stuff.
You look at people who grew up in rural areas and they're like, better farm or that's it.
No food.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
We had a guest on a couple of weeks ago that said that they'd never even had to do, I think it was, um, oh gosh, it was, uh, the cowboy, the, the, um, philosophical cowboy, someone called him or something like that.
He said that he never really had to have sex ed talks with his kids because they grew up on a farm.
So they already knew.
seamus coughlin
Look at the chickens.
tim pool
Check this out.
seamus coughlin
You didn't even need to give the chicken sex ed.
tim pool
We have Chicken City.
ian crossland
They just know.
tim pool
We have Chicken City out in the basement.
And I can't remember who it was the other day said, uh-oh a fight's breaking out.
And the chickens were doing it.
And I was like, bro, the male jumped on the back of the female and then started thrusting and you thought it was a fight.
Another thing that happens, I had someone say to me, so why would you want to have roosters?
Do they lay different kinds of eggs?
lydia smith
Yes, they do, yeah.
tim pool
And I was like, roosters are born.
ashley st clair
Deport them immediately.
tim pool
I don't blame people, I blame our society.
But it's like, it's a natural process.
We've come to the point where we are so pampered, where we have factory farms.
I know a lot of people dispute the idea, but listen, I'm talking about the pink slime that is chicken nuggets.
You used to have to go, and you raise the chickens, and you're throwing, you know, grains or whatever, or you're turning over the wood for the bugs, and then eventually you're like, time to eat this chicken!
Time to eat these eggs!
You know what was really crazy to me?
And I mean, craziest experience.
Growing up in a city, the first time I ate my own chicken's egg, I was like, do I have to do anything to it?
Do I have to clean it?
ashley st clair
Can I just sterilize it?
Should I put hand sanitizer over it?
seamus coughlin
Tim got the dish soap and a sponge out, he was scrubbing that thing off.
ian crossland
The only reason I haven't been eating them is because I'm afraid they're fertilized.
tim pool
They are all fertilized.
ian crossland
Does it matter if you just get a little half-grown chicken fetus in there when you crack it?
tim pool
No, it's like a little white dot.
ian crossland
Which is the chicken fetus, basically?
tim pool
Well, it's the spunk from the rooster.
ian crossland
Is it okay to eat?
Yes!
tim pool
See, that's the crazy thing.
Throughout human history, since the chickens were like, what, 100 AD, That question was not asked.
ian crossland
Is it better for you to have a fertile part?
tim pool
No, no, no.
Like, imagine being a kid growing up in the year 200 A.D.
Actually, did you guys see the Northmen?
They mentioned, you know, something about, like, being a slave, like, because they were, like, Nordic slaves, and he's like, you'll go out working with the Silkies.
Silkies are kind of chicken.
They've been around for a long time.
ashley st clair
They're so fuzzy.
tim pool
Yeah, they're fluffy, and they're funny, and they're goofy, and they make funny sounds.
Little blue eggs.
Listen, listen.
People would walk into the forest and grab chives right off the ground and go, food!
And they would walk back and put it down and go, hey!
And they'd all just eat it.
It's like, that's food.
ashley st clair
You can't do that.
I get, I get anxiety going in the grocery store because I'm like, what's in this?
I'm like, is this, is this real chicken?
Is this, you know, pumped full of saline?
tim pool
What's in Probably is.
We're better off with cleaner foods, but to a limit, right?
I watched some documentary about how they mixed beef with ammonia to get rid of the bacteria from it, and then mix it back into other meat.
ashley st clair
Well, even the chickens we have now are like mutants.
They're mutant chickens that we have now.
They're nothing like... I mean, the difference between chickens now and a hundred years ago, they're flavorless, they're giant, they're mutants.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
Good times create soft chickens.
tim pool
That's right.
seamus coughlin
Good times create mutant chickens.
Mutant chickens create hard times.
tim pool
It's true!
seamus coughlin
Hard times create normal chickens.
tim pool
Here's my point.
Here's my point.
We, I remember it was like 2014.
I got first chickens ever.
They laid eggs.
And then I was like, okay, I've never done this before.
And I'm, uh, how old was I like then?
This was, this is, what is this?
Uh, eight years ago.
So I'm like 26, 27.
And I'm like, I have never eaten an egg from a chicken before.
What do I do?
And I'm looking up online, do I have to wash it?
Do I have to, like, cook it to a certain temperature?
And it was like, it basically said, if you keep your chicken safe and healthy, you can eat it raw.
And I was like, what?
No, you could sell manila.
It's like, no, that's because of modern, you know, poultry conditions and stuff.
And I was like, really?
seamus coughlin
So Timmy's like, I'm going rocky.
Crack that egg, put it in a cup, threw it back.
ian crossland
Do you eat them raw at all?
seamus coughlin
Saying hi to the tiger.
tim pool
No, I use them to make, um, I've been making like a nut bread.
It's amazing.
You just mix some nut powder, like walnut powder, and some almond flour with the egg and then you microwave it and you get a little bun and then I put cheese and egg and bacon in it.
ashley st clair
You know what I love?
I do bird's nest.
So you make a little, you cut out a little circle in the middle and then you crack the egg and you can dip it in it and make it nice and runny.
tim pool
But the other thing too is, uh, we have chives in the yard all over the place.
Because chives grow early season.
And I just went out and we grabbed a whole bunch and chopped them up and threw it in our beef.
It was so good.
We have wineberry season.
ashley st clair
Probably got more flavor than anything you buy at the store, too.
ian crossland
Yeah, refrigerating it can destroy the flavor, especially with tomatoes.
tim pool
Wineberries.
You see these?
They got Appalachia all over the place.
They're little Chinese raspberries that are everywhere.
During wineberry season, you walk outside and you get like two pounds in like 20 minutes.
You just shuffle them into bowls.
But people who live in cities don't know anything about this.
So they're just, they are, they are like children.
So, you know, I'm not trying to be overtly disrespectful.
I am saying quite literally.
200, 300 years ago, people had to mature.
They had to survive hardship.
Today, it's so good that these people are confused about whether or not they can eat an egg.
unidentified
Yeah.
ashley st clair
No, and the food we are getting is just so bad.
I think you can fact-check me on it.
I think you have to eat, like, eight peaches now to get the same nutritional value as a peach, like, 50 years ago.
Everything, even fruit, veggies, it's just... I don't know what it is.
tim pool
That would be a... They were probably... I bet people would eat the eggshells back in the day, you know?
lydia smith
Yeah, probably.
tim pool
I bet people would eat orange rind.
They'd be like, don't waste it!
ian crossland
You know what I bet's good is putting the eggshells in your bathtub when you're taking a bath and soaking in that water.
I bet that's really good for your skin.
Just a thought came to me, yeah.
tim pool
I was thinking about this.
ian crossland
My, uh, I had a friend right through porous.
tim pool
I had a friend in Arizona who lived by what she called a citrus tree.
And it was because she was like all the different citrus, like cross breeds or whatever weird fruit.
But I'm looking at this tree and it's just got like 500.
Oranges or whatever in it.
And then I'm like, man, imagine being some, just, you know, like nomadic tribal person and you're looking for food and you come across this one tree with all of these fruits and you're like, Oh, And you just take it all and you're like, look what I found and everyone's like, oh, food.
Cause like food's hard to come by and they're like eating it like crazy.
And they're just eating whatever they can get.
seamus coughlin
And not just food.
Oh, sorry, Liz, you go.
No, you go.
lydia smith
I was just going to say, you can get these citrus like fruits that have like horns, like a devil, because they're so weird and kind of incestuous.
And they like mix with all different kinds of citrus you can get.
Like, grapefruit crossbreeds with lemons, crossbreeds with limes, you get these weird, funky things that are really good.
They're great for humans.
But anyway, Seamus?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, I was just gonna say, if you came across that, it's not just that you found food, it's that you found a very rare and very sweet and very delicious food.
Nowadays, we've sort of been spoiled by these foods that have very intense flavors that would not occur naturally in nature, right?
Well, that was redundant.
But you'll come across, like, Historically, if someone found an orange or a strawberry or an apple, I mean, that was really a treat for them.
Like, this is delicious, and nowadays people are like, FRUIT!
GROSS!
tim pool
I want a Kit-Kat!
Let's, uh, let's circle back.
We're gonna circle back to this political story.
We have this from the Daily Mail.
You guys want to talk about Civil War?
Let's talk about Civil War.
Louisiana advances bill classifying abortion as homicide.
Republican representative behind the bill says the state cannot wait on the Supreme Court.
The move on Wednesday came two days after the leaked draft about Roe v. Wade.
Louisiana State Rep.
Danny McCormick, a Republican, introduced the Abolition of Abortion Act in March.
The legislation approved in a 7-2 committee vote now moves to the state's full house.
The Louisiana bill is one of a raft of proposals by lawmakers in conservative states.
Such restrictions could go further than the so-called trigger laws, bans, and other regulations that will take effect in some 26 states should Roe be overturned.
So let's talk about what this means.
If abortion is homicide, That means a lot in terms of what happens to abortion providers.
seamus coughlin
Can I ask you something?
Is there a difference between the legal classification of homicide and the legal classification of murder?
If you're to write a law that says X is homicide, does that mean it's open to being considered murder but not necessarily considered murder in every case?
ashley st clair
Or is it a different degree?
tim pool
Homicide means a human killed a human.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So homicide could be involuntary manslaughter.
It could be first-degree murder, second-degree murder.
I'm curious if this is specified in any way in the legislation.
tim pool
Do they mention the degree?
They're saying it's homicide, which means they're granting life rights to the fetus.
ian crossland
Yeah, which means what?
Are they part of the census?
I asked this before the show.
It's a silly question, but like, are they going to classify these, these now humans as part of the census when they're taking a census?
Come on.
I mean, they're not human.
They're not people yet.
seamus coughlin
They're not giraffes, man.
ian crossland
They're not people though.
They're just, they're developing fetus humans.
They're not people until they get a birth certificate legally.
tim pool
No, that's the logic they use to keep slaves in.
ian crossland
Well, that's the law.
That's the law right now.
If you want to change the law and say that they're people and give them a birth certificate on conception... No, no, no, no.
tim pool
The law isn't that you gain personhood with a birth certificate.
There's no law that says that.
ian crossland
I mean, there's no person until there's a personality.
tim pool
No, that's not true.
ian crossland
Or until it's legally called a person.
ashley st clair
What is a person?
ian crossland
Let's look up what a person is.
tim pool
Actually, that's a good idea.
seamus coughlin
I mean, it's a philosophical distinction, right?
But I would actually make the argument that the distinction between... So I guess you can make an argument that there are persons who aren't human, right?
But every human is a person.
You can't not grant rights to a living human being.
tim pool
A person is the body of a human being.
ashley st clair
That's been the worst civil rights violations in our country's history is when we've tried to define personhood and who is or who is not worthy enough to be a person.
tim pool
So this is where I think the abortion issue is very much our second Civil War catalyst.
They had actually argued in pre-Civil War that slaves didn't have personhood, that they didn't have the same rights.
The Constitution didn't apply to them.
They had no personhood.
You cannot allow someone to arbitrarily decide when a human being is a person.
ashley st clair
Or women weren't even granted the same rights just a couple decades before Roe was passed.
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, the argument I would make, and part of why I'm saying that there are persons who aren't human, is like, so for example, it is a little tricky definition-wise, and I appreciate you asking the question.
My first thought was, well maybe it's a false distinction, but also I know that as Catholics we will use the phrase person to sometimes apply to the members of the Trinity.
But that said, when you're talking about human beings specifically, and people try to create this distinction between a human and a person, to me that sort of smacks of the arbitrary distinction between gender and sex.
I think it's just a false distinction created so that you can do depraved things.
tim pool
You have right now, Ian, what you're saying is These human beings are not people because we haven't written the paperwork for them.
ian crossland
Basically, yeah.
tim pool
Legally.
But that's not true.
ian crossland
There's seven definitions of the word person, which is annoying, but I'll pick the sixth one because I think that's the one.
This is from Miriam Webster.
One, such as a human being, a partnership, or a corporation that is recognized by law as the subject of rights and duties.
So if they change the law, they become people.
I guess, by that definition.
tim pool
The point is, you asking for paperwork, I reject outright.
That means you would assert the right of the state to say, we've decided that Ashley's not a person for these arbitrary reasons.
ian crossland
So do they count towards the census?
tim pool
That's a question for the census, not for personhood.
seamus coughlin
Ian, can I ask you something?
Because the birth certificate also mentions the sex of the child.
Are they ambiguous with respect to their sex prior to getting a birth certificate because of that?
ian crossland
If you don't know what the sex is, yeah.
ashley st clair
But there was tort law for years and decades in this country that recognized the unborn as persons as regards to, you know, inheritance and different things like that.
I mean, we had those laws when the 14th Amendment was ratified, identifying, tort laws identifying the unborn as persons.
seamus coughlin
Okay, tell me about that.
Yeah, there's enhanced penalties if you kill a baby in the womb.
punished and you know for for killing a woman who was pregnant and yeah as well
you kill a baby in the womb but you were about to explain I'm sorry I cut you off
unidentified
I think he asked you a question yeah yeah so tort laws I mean there there are
ashley st clair
laws that from what I understand and I'm not you know a legal scholar but they
were laws that were like kind of not laws but they were recognized for the
most part it's like common law in the United States but tort laws mostly
refer to property but there were tort laws in terms of inheritance for the
unborn in the United States and what's interesting is the the Roe v. Wade
decision they hinged it so so strongly on the 14th Amendment
And this, you know, right to privacy.
But when the 14th Amendment was ratified, we had these tort laws recognizing the unborn as persons and, you know, having rights to certain things.
So it was just the mental gymnastics that was done in this, in the Roe decision in general, just as an abuse of discretion and constitutionality is insane.
seamus coughlin
And also, when someone uses a phrase like, we found this in the penumbra of the shadow, that you can say, there could be a chance that this is mental gymnastics.
ashley st clair
We saw this was like, they said, it was enumerated rights followed by enumerated problems, right?
And they just, first of all, there's not a right to privacy at all.
There's no right to privacy in the constitution.
You have some right to privacy as it refers to the fourth amendment and, you know, unwarranted searches and seizures, but you don't have a right to privacy at all.
tim pool
Oh, this is interesting.
What is this?
seamus coughlin
I'd have to think about that.
ian crossland
So, concerning the tort law you mentioned, is it so like if a woman is pregnant and the father dies, his inherit- say the mother and the father dies- You'd have to look it up because I don't want to, you know, say the wrong thing but there was Tort laws that recognize them as persons.
I'm on PubMed.
It says prenatal tort law on the personhood of the unborn child a separate legal existence But I can't find I'm looking for documents.
tim pool
So I have I have a docket from the Supreme Court I just pulled it up.
I got to look into it a little bit more.
ashley st clair
There's a fantastic book too called Abuse of Discretion.
tim pool
It says the purpose of the Supreme Court opinions from 1850 to 1880 suggests that an unborn child is a person within the meaning of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution.
lydia smith
Fascinating.
tim pool
So I have to look up what this is.
ashley st clair
So many people think that the argument is just, oh, you know, I think abortion is moral.
But no, there was serious abuse of discretion as it comes to the way they decided this.
There was populationist theory in the clerk's memos.
There was incredible influence from populationists when they decided Roe.
It is incredible when you look into it, you look from the clerk memos and everything like that.
There were so many more things that influenced.
Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg said it wasn't about women at all.
It wasn't about women.
seamus coughlin
No, abortion is not about women.
It's about the abortion industry profiting off of slaughtering unborn children, and it's about allowing men consequence-free access to women's bodies, like consequence-free sexual access to women's bodies.
ian crossland
It really is, too, about keeping people that are poor from having 50 kids.
It's sad, but that's a big part of it.
seamus coughlin
It's very sad, I agree, because human life is only valuable if that person is born into a middle-class or upper-class family.
Yeah, that's the only way it matters.
I mean, that seems to be the dominant modern view.
tim pool
The challenge here with not recognizing personhood for the unborn is like a baby at eight and a half months who's not yet been born inside the womb next to a baby that is eight and a half months from the point of conception that was emergency delivered via c-section.
That baby that's out of the womb can't be touched.
But the baby that's still in the womb of the exact same development could be executed.
ian crossland
That is the way to go.
I agree with you.
That is so weird.
ashley st clair
You had Northam talking about not resuscitating babies after they're born.
seamus coughlin
No, no, no!
No resuscitating them and then having a conversation about what to do next is what he said.
Insanity.
tim pool
This is the question I have.
Look, evil.
I can understand an argument from the point of first trimester, nothing second or nothing third in terms of abortion.
But when you're talking about a viable baby that outside the womb of its own independent life could not be harmed under penalty of law and a baby exactly the same but in the womb can be, something doesn't make sense.
ian crossland
It seems like all these laws were written way back in the day before modern technology where you could do an ultrasound or like see the baby struggling during an abortion process trying to avoid the forceps or whatever.
Like before you knew the gender before it was born because the 14th amendment specifically says after they're born.
ashley st clair
No, their standard was much different.
So their standard was quickening back then for abortion.
When they did have abortions, even back in the day, the standard was quickening, which was when you felt the baby.
And then when they found out that, oh, this dude's actually alive a little sooner than that, they amended it to, hey, you know, we should not be doing these as soon as we know that they're there.
They thought that was conception.
They didn't know that quickening was not, okay, I'm pregnant.
This is when the baby... What is quickening?
Quickening is when you can feel the baby moving.
And so they had no idea that that was not conception.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
And so the development of embryological science has made it so much more clear that it is a living person.
I mean, I've mentioned this before on the show, 95% of biologists surveyed say life begins at fertilization.
And so the science is very much settled on this issue.
ian crossland
I would say it makes it very clear that it's a living organism.
Whether or not it's a person is a legal discussion.
seamus coughlin
Well, what do you call a living human?
Is a living human not a person?
ian crossland
It depends on what stage they're in.
If it's the two days after conception, you could argue it's about to be a human living
and then it develops into a human, but it's not really a per...
I mean, the whole idea of a person is that it's got a personality, that it can communicate,
that it's a person, you know?
ashley st clair
I just, I don't want to be on the wrong side of that argument, right?
Because like I said, the worst civil rights violations in our country's history and the
world have been when we've tried to decide who is or who is not a person,
and I just don't want to touch that.
I don't want to be on the wrong side of history, and that's just where I'm at.
ian crossland
Well, we're kind of creating history right now.
tim pool
Yeah.
ashley st clair
And I don't want to be on the wrong side of it.
ian crossland
There's no right or wrong here.
We just got to do the best we can.
tim pool
Who cares?
seamus coughlin
Well, Ian, so here's why I would push back on that.
So I think there are arguments that I could make against your definition of personhood and in favor of the idea that the unborn child is a person at all stages.
But I believe that the burden of proof is actually strongly on the one who says it isn't a person.
I think you actually have to prove that because, for example, if I'm going to detonate a building I need to know that there is no person inside of it.
I can't say, well, there might be.
We don't know.
It's a complex philosophical discussion about whether there's a person in there.
We're just going to detonate it.
And if someone dies, someone dies.
I think we all recognize you need to be 100% perfectly clear that the activity you're partaking in is not the killing of a person before it's permissible at all.
And that hasn't been proven, and it hasn't been proven because it is a person, but I don't even hear left-wingers, I don't even hear people in favor of abortion try to advance an argument that it's not a person.
They just say it isn't, or they say you haven't proven it is a person.
It's like the burden of proof is on them.
ashley st clair
They say it's a lump of cells.
ian crossland
I mean, without, I don't want it to make an emotional argument.
You had a baby.
You had one inside of you.
So you understand, I guess it, I would think that it starts to develop a personality before it leaves the female body at some point, whether or not you can interact with it or not.
tim pool
What does personality have to do with whether or not someone has rights?
ian crossland
Well, personality is derived from the person.
You know, it's just these vague terms.
tim pool
No, if there is a mute deaf child, we don't say they have no rights.
ian crossland
Well, so like I would say it has a personality, like it might react different to different stimuli in the womb.
So there's a type of personality you could argue.
This one doesn't like loud noise.
ashley st clair
This one likes rock and roll.
seamus coughlin
What about when someone's unconscious?
I mean, when a person is unconscious, they're not displaying any traits of personality.
ian crossland
No, but they've already been established.
It's a person that's unconscious.
tim pool
Let's say someone finds a naked person in a hospital, like a naked person in the forest who is completely unconscious and not responsive, but has a heartbeat.
Do you just be like, that's not a person.
I can do whatever I want to it.
ian crossland
Do they have personhood if they have no mind?
tim pool
Bro, if you find an unconscious woman and you do anything to that woman, you're going to prison for a long time.
ian crossland
So if you find a body, someone like you said, I don't know if vegetable is probably an insensitive way to talk about it, but if someone has basically zero brain activity and there's just a heartbeat and a body, then is it a person?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Yes, but also you will go to prison for doing something to that body, like physically harming it.
seamus coughlin
And then even then there isn't really a perfect comparison there, right?
Because in the case of an unborn child, we know that we are, what, 99% sure that they will end up developing all of the cognitive faculties that you're mentioning a person in a coma lacking.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is why I brought up birth control at the beginning, if that's also plan B. Can I also mention something?
seamus coughlin
I just want to say, the definition of personhood given by Google is the least helpful definition, the quality or condition of being an individual person.
Thank you so much!
ashley st clair
What about conjoined twins?
What about conjoined twins?
Are they not people?
seamus coughlin
The other definition they give personhood or personality is the status of being a person.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you so much.
This is the first time they teach you in an etymology class.
You can't use the word in the definition.
ian crossland
In or as if in a play.
That's the definition of person.
unidentified
Come on.
lydia smith
If you look at the Supreme Court docket, it says, according to Webster's Dictionary, a child is a, quote, person not yet of the age of majority.
So we are using the word person in the definition.
But the understanding is that someone who is small is just a person who hasn't reached, for example, the age of consent.
This is why we understand that children cannot consent to sex, although this has gone somewhat by the wayside in the age of trans children.
But this is something that they were mulling even back when they were looking at abortion in the first place.
tim pool
I just think it's kind of simple.
Can you kill a human unprovoked for no reason?
unidentified
No.
lydia smith
Only if they can't make any noise.
ian crossland
Only if you're in the military.
lydia smith
Only if they can't make noise.
tim pool
Well, that's, that, I said no reason.
In the military.
ian crossland
In the military, if you see a kid walk, well, yeah, you gotta, you're supposed to have a reason.
seamus coughlin
There's tons of reasons.
ian crossland
You're supposed to have a reason.
tim pool
You definitely can't just go kill a kid.
ian crossland
Uh, you can.
They have the power to, and they have done it in the past, for sure.
You will give yes in, and you can physically- Look at the My Lai Massacre in Vietnam.
tim pool
You can physically do a lot of things.
The point is, under the law, as you so- Yeah, but they'll get protected.
ian crossland
Look at the My Lai Massacre.
All those guys got protected except for the captain that initiated that massacre.
unidentified
The point is, is there a- But did the children have personality?
tim pool
Is there a reason?
Yes.
War was the reason.
Can you walk up to a random person and just end their life?
The answer is no.
Is a fetus a human being?
The answer is yes.
Therein lies the major conundrum.
The left has to define a way when life begins, otherwise abortion... If you were to operate under the pretext of the 14th Amendment, as per Roe v. Wade, the actual ruling should be that you can't perform an abortion because it would violate the equal rights under the law of the fetus, which is a human being.
Now, they'll try and use the argument that it says person's born, but then you run to the conundrum which I mentioned earlier.
A baby who is born at 8 months and a baby who is still new at 8 months are identical in every way.
One doesn't have rights because of the layer of flesh around it.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's modern technology is forcing us to change the law.
tim pool
No, no, no, that's not modern technology.
There were many circumstances in which a baby was born at 8 months and survived.
8 months is viable without, you know, I mean, you might need some medical intervention.
But let's say eight, let's say nine months.
And one baby went a little bit longer than nine months.
The law right now is a baby at nine months fully delivered and healthy and crying, and a baby that hasn't been delivered, one can legally be killed because they haven't been given birth.
seamus coughlin
And they're the same thing.
ashley st clair
They're the same thing.
I know when I got a 40 ultrasound, it was this, he looked just the same when he came out and he'd go in the same little position.
I'm like, you're the same little kid that I saw.
ian crossland
Oh gosh, I just saw a picture of somebody on Twitter show.
Who was it?
They showed the ultrasound and the baby.
lydia smith
Yeah, with his arms up.
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
And I want to mention the same thing.
I mean, yes, it is the case that in 1973, our prenatal science was not as developed as it is today.
We didn't know enough, but that's no excuse.
It's horrifically irresponsible to say, well, we don't know a whole lot about the circumstances in the womb.
So we're just going to err on the side of go ahead and kill it.
ashley st clair
Well, and even then, you know, they said it should be rare, right?
And that was the big thing.
Even Joe Biden was saying it should be rare.
And we've gone so far that not only is it legal and acceptable, but they're shouting their abortions.
It's constant.
They make it like it's removing a wart.
And it's a simple, easy procedure that has no consequences.
seamus coughlin
And I just want to mention one thing.
I know I'm sort of talking about the science here.
I think it's straightforward.
I think it's common sense that it is a person the entire time.
It is a human being because that's the only reason anyone wants to kill it.
You wouldn't be killing it if it wasn't a human person who you would be responsible for.
ian crossland
I just don't want to conflate the word person with human at this point because of their legal definitions.
tim pool
What would happen if you took a newborn puppy and just put it outside and walked away?
ashley st clair
Not much.
seamus coughlin
Cassandra would come kill you.
tim pool
Cassandra Fairfax.
seamus coughlin
No, I mean, yeah, I'm not sure what the animal protection laws are, but I assume you would get in trouble for something like that.
Aren't there laws on the books that prevent you from abusing animals or neglecting them?
ashley st clair
No, but I think you can have puppies outside.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, I mean, if you leave a dog outside, right, that's an animal.
But I think Tim is saying if a dog died through negligence, is that... No, no, if you take a newborn puppy and put it in your backyard, just walk away.
Oh, like a newborn puppy that needs to be with its mother?
tim pool
I didn't say anything.
I just said, what would happen if you did it?
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
tim pool
Nobody would care.
Like, if you took a baby and walked outside, put it in the grass and walked away, what's going on?
ashley st clair
Even helplessness.
They are helpless for so long.
My kid has no idea what he's doing.
He rolls over on his stomach and he starts crying.
He's like, I don't know.
tim pool
Let's jump over to this next story real quick, and I'm going to start with a meme.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, let's do it.
tim pool
The meme is an NPC guy saying, who radicalized you?
And then the Chad gamer guy says, no one.
I'm just a normal person from 10 years ago.
The reason I start with this for this segment is that I posted this because it's funny.
And then all the progressives are like, you're showing your true colors.
We have 10 years of progress.
The people in the 1950s said the same thing about interracial marriage.
And then I was like, and you know what I'm saying the same thing about?
HHS Secretary Becerra argues transgender surgeries for minors should be aided by the government.
Yeah, I'm the kind of guy who's gonna be like, we should expand civil rights for people and leave kids alone, and you're telling me it's progress that the government should be funding surgeries for minor sex changes?
Yeah, okay, well, dude, I'm okay with saying no to that.
ian crossland
Please reference the fall of the Roman Empire.
Notice that time can pass and you can regress.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
Well, this is what I want to point out.
I don't know how to explain this to people, but let me try to put it succinctly.
The fact that people in the past at some point opposed a good thing that ended up happening does not mean that opposing change is a bad thing in all instances.
That is the dumbest possible argument you can make for your position.
Oh, you're against things changing?
Well, people were against civil rights?
Gotcha!
tim pool
People were also in favor of eugenics.
seamus coughlin
Yep, the progressives, not just people, the progressive movement, the left.
ashley st clair
They still are.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
But now it is not socially acceptable.
So when I say I'm about a humble, normal person from 2012, and they say, ha, that means you're a conservative, does that mean you're still in favor of eugenics?
Does that mean if you're not, you're a conservative?
Anyone on the left who opposes eugenics must be a conservative, along with every other person on the right, huh?
seamus coughlin
What they are saying is you need to mindlessly accept every single social change that is pushed on you by everyone above you.
And if you don't do so, you are far right.
That is their entire argument.
Be a sheep.
Go with the crowd.
Do what you're told.
If you stand up against the modern orthodoxy, which is going to be different five years from now, then you are worthy of contempt.
You should be excluded from public life.
You're not truly a human being.
You don't have rights.
We're not going to listen to you speak.
You are a far right psychopathic bigot.
ian crossland
It's part of why I don't like calling people leftists, because then they just turn it around and start yelling, right, right, right!
seamus coughlin
They can tell me I'm on the right, that doesn't bother me.
Ian, they are leftists.
tim pool
They are the ones who do it and created it.
ian crossland
But they, it's all this identity crap.
tim pool
They, them.
ian crossland
For real, we just gotta use common sense, I think.
But then even that, that term common sense gets abused.
tim pool
It's funny because I feel like no amount of evidence will show you why you're wrong, Ian.
About what?
You always say this all the time, like, we can't say left, we can't say right.
You compared me to Mao for saying left and right.
ian crossland
Yeah, he talked about rightists a lot.
tim pool
And then no matter how many times I tell you, like, the left, being an umbrella term, describes a kind of person that are authoritarian, that
believe fake news, and then no matter how many times we invite them on the
show, they react the exact same way.
Like screaming lunatics who don't actually want to have their ideas challenged.
And I keep showing you the evidence of these things we try to do.
ian crossland
There's definitely examples, yeah, but to generalize is where it becomes dangerous.
tim pool
Yeah, like at a certain point, you know, you have a...
seamus coughlin
But you generalize that unborn children aren't persons.
ian crossland
Okay, okay.
tim pool
Well, I'm debating it.
You have a pattern of behavior.
We've exhibited this pattern of behavior in, like, nine out of ten times when we've invited the so-called left onto this show.
Nine out of ten times, they behave the exact same way.
They create nonsense statements, try to use the invite as some kind of own, Or try to, in some way, attack the show.
So it's like, what do we do at this point?
When I'm like, hey, you're a person who's pro-choice and you're very angry, would you like to come on the show?
And then they say something ridiculous like, I want to punch you in the face.
ian crossland
Then you're already playing identity politics.
If you're like, I'm going to go after someone that's pro-choice, you're like, why don't you go after me?
ashley st clair
They have distanced themselves from people who believe the way that we... It's not us who's putting them in the bubble.
And this is, I mean, there's studies that showed that conservatives will follow left-leaning people.
And the left will not.
And they're able to quantify that because there is a difference, and the people that are more on the left do not consume different opinions, whereas people on the right do.
seamus coughlin
They're also significantly more likely to cut someone out of their life for having different political opinions.
ian crossland
You're talking about, like, radical ideologues.
I mean, there are people that are like that.
seamus coughlin
Well, this is the difference between the left and the right, okay?
Left-wing people will go, you don't agree with every single part of my niche left-wing ideology, like my ideology that I discovered online two weeks ago, therefore you're anti-human and I can never talk to you again.
And then people on the right are like, someone told me that they're okay with infanticide.
Should I still be friends with them?
tim pool
Let me show you this from ground.news.
It's called Blindspotter.
I pulled up myself.
56% of the news Timcast interacts with on Twitter leans left.
20% is center, 24% is right-leaning.
Michael Malice, fairly balanced.
If you look at Michael Malice's profile, you can see that it's about 45% left-leaning, maybe about 20-25% centrist, and then 20% right.
Jack Posobiec, a conservative, gets most of his news, two-thirds, from conservative sources.
unidentified
Yeah, 60%.
tim pool
Center.
Vosh has no right-wing sources.
So why is it that I, who have rather left-leaning policy positions, am considered on the right?
Because I consume news across the board, even though I do kind of consume most news from the left.
Vosh gets none of his news from the right at all.
ashley st clair
Because they're creating that.
They're creating the tribe.
They're the ones doing this.
They're putting the boxes.
ian crossland
If I'm on the left, then anyone to the right of me is on the right.
You got to understand that.
Okay, so it's all relative.
seamus coughlin
Well, so here's the thing.
I wouldn't argue that it's all relative, but you're right that there's an element of subjectivity that comes in there.
We see a lot of left-wing people who will say things like, Oh, our political leaders on the left are actually right-winged by European standards.
But even that isn't completely honest, because the stance that most of them have on abortion is far, far left compared to anything that's enshrined legally in Europe.
But we need to strive for some objective standard and say, like, okay, if you support, like, You know, perverting children.
If you support, like, forcing perversions onto children and killing unborn children and, you know, even other things that aren't so necessarily intrinsically bad in that way, like just left-wing economic policy, some of those are horrible, some of those there's a discussion to have.
Like, you are on the left, but they will try to argue that person's actually a moderate because, from my stance, they're on the left.
It's like, well, you actually have to look at the political structure to sort that out.
ian crossland
There's a lot of assumptions to assume what they, who even they are, I don't even know what that means, that they would think this.
tim pool
I'll explain it to you.
So I've actually, over the past four or five years, repeatedly referenced these tribal data maps.
Showing the left and the right.
They completely exist.
If you look at Twitter's data maps, I've done extensive reporting on the different tribal spaces.
They call them digital countries or digital nations.
You have, like, the progressives.
Then you have the staunch Democrats.
You have the conservatives.
Then you have the Republicans.
There's, like, even a difference.
Then you have, like, marketing, which is on the border of progressive.
It's really weird.
Twitter marketing brands border the Democrat voter.
I've actually done so many segments talking about all of these things.
Now, I think for you, Ian, you need to look at those data maps and see they exist.
It's the picture I drew of the two umbrellas pushing up against each other, where you have the right sphere of influence and the left sphere of influence.
Here's Blindspotter again.
Take a look at Luke WeAreChange, our good friend Luke Rutkowski.
His news is perfectly split between conservative, left, and center.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
That's pretty balanced.
ashley st clair
I love Luke.
tim pool
Sour Patch Lids gets most of her news from liberal, left-wing sources.
unidentified
Oh my.
seamus coughlin
Look me up.
tim pool
Seamus Caglin.
ashley st clair
I know, I know, I know.
seamus coughlin
Seamus and Ishgard Caglin.
tim pool
Ian Crossland.
ian crossland
That's a crown on my head, by the way.
tim pool
Ian Crossland gets almost none of his news from the right.
ian crossland
But tell me where I get most of my news.
From the middle, because that is what it's all about.
The left and the right combined form one large center.
seamus coughlin
I think that's actually very interesting, Ian, because most of the people I'm looking at on this don't really have a wide spread in the middle.
And you seem to have a very wide spread in the middle.
ian crossland
That was interesting.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know who's deciding what's right and what's wrong.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's not Seamus.
So that is not me.
Seamus underscore Coghlan.
That's hilarious.
tim pool
It's underscore?
seamus coughlin
Seamus underscore Coghlan.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Other Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Underscore C-O-U-G-H-L-A-N.
ian crossland
Yes, what do you think?
seamus coughlin
What percent?
Yeah, see?
68% left.
Look at this, this far-right, right-wing conservative bigot mostly interacts with left-wing news sources because we know what they think.
But you're right, it could just be me making fun of them.
ian crossland
It's doing research, right?
You want to know what your enemy... I mean, obviously, any good warrior wants to understand what their enemy thinks.
And if this is really a social war, a culture war, you've got to go pull from all sources.
And that doesn't mean you're on the left.
If I go hang out with a bunch of people that want to kill babies and transgender their six year olds, it doesn't mean that I'm a leftist.
And if you put me in a box, if you say that, if I hear you say that out loud, that I'm a leftist, it's going to mess with my mind.
seamus coughlin
Isn't it hilarious, though, that everyone instantly knows that murdering babies and transgendering children is like the left... How much more do you have to do to convince people that a group is evil?
ian crossland
Liberal radicalism can become a dangerous ideology, and the liberal radicals in the French Revolution sat on the left side of the aisle, so that term gets applied to them.
But it doesn't mean that people are in some box somewhere.
You've even acknowledged this multiple times.
They're meaningless phrases.
They just kind of identify a source of some sort of tribe, but there's so many...
Miniature, intricate tribes within tribes that to coagulate them for, to get a point across feels destructive.
tim pool
I feel like you, you know, take a look at how we classify animals, right?
Do you know how we classify animals?
ian crossland
Yeah, like phenotype, genotype, stuff like that.
tim pool
Like Chordata or whatever.
I'm not a, I'm not at a biology, I'm not a gene biologist.
Yeah, I think you under, you don't understand the, the, the, the concept of a parent tree, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, I understand that concept.
tim pool
Okay, so when we say the left, we're talking about a parent tree of a sphere of influence of a bunch of different groups.
ian crossland
You're talking about like a cultural idea, not like an animal species.
Understand in science, we're not being scientific when we say left and right.
This is just a cultural idea kind of thing.
tim pool
It refers to tribe.
That's why the left calls me right wing, because I'm not in their tribe.
ian crossland
And the right calls you left-wing because it's all relative.
tim pool
Because the right knows the political arguments.
And so they look at me as my political arguments, not which tribe we're in.
So the way I've described it is, at some point, we had this American sphere of influence which had a left and a right that mostly agreed on American values and a constitutional republic.
At some point, a multicultural democracy emerged to our left with crazy ideas.
ian crossland
2012.
tim pool
And they think everyone in the original sphere of influence is right-wing.
In that sphere of influence, the right and the left still call each other right and left.
ian crossland
That's very dangerous, too.
tim pool
Because they're tribal signifiers.
ian crossland
Yeah, tribes is a very dangerous way to go.
tim pool
But that's the reality.
It exists.
ashley st clair
It's human nature, too.
Tribalism's human nature.
ian crossland
Yeah, and using those words left and right, like, fortify that nature, that dangerous nature of tribalism.
tim pool
It's just a way to explain an idea, dude.
ian crossland
But it is a way to do it.
I just don't think it's an effective way.
And as a journalist, it's not an accurate way to portray, like, reality.
ashley st clair
No, it is.
I want nothing to do with them.
ian crossland
But who are them?
What is them?
seamus coughlin
The left.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
unidentified
Who, who?
ashley st clair
The people who want to teach my child about sex in third grade.
That's who I want to be nothing like.
tim pool
Let's talk about it very, very simply.
When I come out and say, kids should not be getting sex change surgery, That is overtly supported by prominent left-wing individuals.
Not all of them.
However, the other left-wing individuals who aren't advocating for it call me a transphobe, bigot, or a liar for calling it out.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
When I say Joe Biden did illicit dealings in Ukraine, and that's a fact, there are people who don't care that he did, like that he did, Or will just tell me I'm a liar, but every person on that
side will say, well, I don't know if that's true, but you must be right
wing then.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
If it goes against their tribe, you're the other.
So when we talk about the left, we talk about a collection of policies
and ideas that are not intrinsic among every person on the left,
but they all defend it.
Progressives hate neolibs.
Neolibs hate progressives.
ian crossland
These are massive generalizations.
All of them hate all of them.
It's like, come on, dude, you're a journalist.
That's not a way to get specific about things.
tim pool
Ian.
Just because I make a general point that is true does not mean I said every single progressive hates every single— You just said it.
ian crossland
You said they all hate them and they all hate them.
tim pool
Progressives hate neolibs.
ian crossland
That's a generalization.
tim pool
It's a fact.
ian crossland
I am progressive as hell, man.
tim pool
I don't hate people.
It is a fact that if you go into— I don't think you understand nuance is the problem.
If you go into a room full of progressives and say, how many of you like neolibs?
They'll go, boo, boo.
And one person might be like, they're not that bad.
ian crossland
What about this?
Split this room into boys and girls.
You think we're really going to get along if that's how we think about things in here?
seamus coughlin
I don't think it's going to immediately create a division.
They are actually girls.
ian crossland
If I'm like, no, no, no, only boys get to speak now.
Okay, now it's the girls' turn.
It's going to create a division.
tim pool
Nancy Pelosi does not like AOC.
AOC does not like Nancy Pelosi.
They both routinely go at each other and rag on each other, and then they vote together.
ian crossland
Yeah, but they're catty, man.
I don't care.
tim pool
I'm not creating a political party.
That's irrelevant.
ashley st clair
I think that's a generalization about women.
ian crossland
And that is a catty thing for people to do.
tim pool
You're ignoring the point.
Answer the argument.
They both don't like each other.
They both publicly express disdain for each other.
They vote together against their collective enemies.
ian crossland
That's the problem with politics.
tim pool
We quantify these by saying there are two parent tribes that are opposed to each other, the left and the right.
Libertarians do not get along with conservatives on a lot of issues.
Conservatives don't get along with libertarians on a lot of issues.
They don't hate each other though.
But they will vote together on most issues.
Like the pro-life issue right now, you see Dave Smith, you see Michael Malice, very much against the establishment, the cathedral.
Progressives lined up to vote for Joe Biden, even though they say they hate him.
That's why we say they are the left, because there are certain things they would support even if they don't like them.
But they wouldn't support Mike Pence.
Mike Pence is the other tribe.
There's a parent sphere of influence called a left and a right.
They're not absolute, there are some overlap, but it's overwhelmingly two different spheres of influence.
ashley st clair
They are unified in a way.
I was not allowed into a mom's group using my name because of my right-leaning politics in a very liberal city.
ian crossland
I get the... I have problems when people use past actions to define future.
Like, say, I think there was a... Lydia, you might have even... I think that's the best... That is actually the best indicator... No, you gotta be careful because... Okay, in the past, there was like... I think it was black violence statistics.
There was a bunch... In the past, a lot of like... It was like some random number.
20% of all these crimes were committed by this kind of person, this black people.
So, therefore...
Black people are 20% or 5 times more likely to do this than white people, but you're assuming the future based on what they did in the past.
ashley st clair
But they were just taking it out of context because it was black-on-black crime.
seamus coughlin
They were projecting.
But I don't think this argument works because you're saying that there have been unfair generalizations in the past, therefore we should dispense with the idea of generalizing altogether.
ian crossland
No, I'm saying if someone made some decisions in the past, it doesn't mean that in the future they're a part of a tribe.
seamus coughlin
Sure, but like if there has been a consistent thread throughout the entire history of a group, such as the left, where basically anytime they've come to power, they have oppressed people.
Every time they've majorly seized power on the extreme left, they've slaughtered people.
No, I'm not saying that the right hasn't, but when we talk about the left, there are certain threads that we can see through.
tim pool
There's authoritarianism of all ages.
seamus coughlin
I never said there was.
I never said there wasn't.
I'm saying when you look at the common threads on the left, it's fair to say that this is what the left is about.
There's a reason we use that term to label ideologues in our country.
It's not fair.
So then you're making his argument.
It's not fair to define the left and right differently.
There are common threads.
Are there not common threads on the left?
tim pool
You saying that the common thread of the left is authoritarianism and oppression?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
That's a common thread for humanity.
seamus coughlin
Okay, that's fair, but I think that when you look at left-wing ideology, it breaks down social structures in a way that you need the imposition of authoritarian rules with their specific ideology to shift the social structure.
We saw that in revolutionary France when the left was incepted, when they first came to be.
We saw it everywhere that there was a revolution where the left took power afterwards.
tim pool
We see it in Germany.
We see it in Chile.
seamus coughlin
Sure.
No, I'm not saying the right doesn't become authoritarian or violent either.
That's not my point.
tim pool
I don't think authoritarianism is the right way to define what the tribes are necessarily.
Today, certainly, the left is overwhelmingly authoritarian.
seamus coughlin
I would say that the left's tendency is always towards becoming authoritarian.
And I would also say that when we look at the common threads, they're basically always against the Catholic Church.
They're always against the family.
They're always against the traditional order.
Basically, everywhere you see the left.
tim pool
They're always against the traditional order.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And the right is typically for tradition.
Yes, but the issue right now is the right has a spattering of moderates within it who have rejected the authoritarianism of the current left, and thus you end up with a more libertarian right and a more authoritarian left.
seamus coughlin
And part of me wonders if that's just a consequence of the fact that one group happens to not be ascendant.
So when the right is not in power, it's going to attract more moderates and people who feel they're being persecuted by the left.
tim pool
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
And vice versa.
tim pool
Look at Gab, for instance.
Gab has banned discussion of porn.
They're not okay with it.
But they're also not institutionally powerful.
So no one's threatened by that.
If the law of the land was that certain political advocacy was not allowed, moderates would start moving away saying, we don't like the idea of the government imposing its ideology on us.
Let's go Super Chats!
lydia smith
It is time.
tim pool
If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and remember, if at any point you don't agree with anyone on this show, you put a 1 in the chat and smash the like button.
lydia smith
And Super Chat.
tim pool
And Super Chat.
And explain to us what you disagree with and we'll do our best to read those.
All right.
Vasht says, YouTube brought to you by Pfizer.
When can we chat on Timcast again?
So, um, shout out to the SPLC who wrote a hit piece on Timcast IRL.
And their smear was that, uh, their smear was that people super chatted us naughty things.
And I'm like, I have no power over that.
I didn't read those.
seamus coughlin
It's a good thing that the super chats come from Tim directly.
He's writing them all himself.
tim pool
We have like one guy.
It's like all the money.
And they were like, Chimcast IRL makes an average of $2,000 per night, but some of them are bad.
And it's like, tell YouTube, I guess.
I don't know.
Like, what am I supposed to do about that?
There are words, like YouTube auto restricts words and people get mad about it.
unidentified
I don't know.
lydia smith
It's not us.
tim pool
It is what it is.
All right.
I see a lot of people are smashing that like button.
Seriously.
Thank you so much.
All right.
Let's see.
We got the Korra saga says inspired by your call to create culture.
I'm now 900 plus pages into the all-new naval voyage into the unknown.
You said we need a naval voyage novel?
The most epic historical fiction saga since Homer's Odyssey with a sci-fi twist.
Let's talk.
Interesting.
The Korra saga.
seamus coughlin
Little self-aggrandizing to describe it that way, but you know what?
I'm very proud of you.
I'm very happy for you for creating culture because a lot of people are not doing that.
And so I very much want to encourage what you're doing.
ian crossland
There's a big difference between putting the pen to paper and just thinking about putting the pen to paper.
seamus coughlin
It's so true.
It's so true.
So many people have it.
We've talked about this on the show before.
So many people have ideas.
It's like, okay, are you going to do something with it?
Please do something with it.
ian crossland
And it doesn't take much.
You just do it.
Keep going.
seamus coughlin
Amen.
And you know what?
If you're watching this right now, and you have an idea, you want to build culture, do it.
Do it.
Please do it.
We need it.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Lee Fagan says, you guys hear Human Events bought the Post Millennial today?
Wonder what this entails.
They announced it a couple days ago.
I don't know what the purchase was today.
But you work for the Post Millennial, right?
ashley st clair
I do.
I do.
I'm their Senior Culture Contributor.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Did you know that they were... Was this before or after they got bought?
ashley st clair
This was like during the buyout, but we announced it at the same time as the buyout, but I'm so excited.
The team is just awesome.
Everyone we have on there.
lydia smith
Great.
tim pool
More power, you know?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Joining forces.
unidentified
Yeah.
ashley st clair
Unite.
tim pool
The Chronicles of Chris says, I'm still not inclined to believe Musk is pro-free speech when he's on good terms with Chinese communists.
It's an interesting point.
lydia smith
Fair point.
tim pool
Yep.
seamus coughlin
That's what I said, and you all yelled at me.
unidentified
No.
Okay.
ashley st clair
Shame.
tim pool
Roberto Lara.
John Paul Mac Isaac is suing Adam Schiff, CNN's Daily Beast, and Politico.
He's the guy who Hunter Biden left his laptop at his shop.
I heard that.
That's crazy.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I did hear about that.
I wonder what's gonna come of that.
ashley st clair
Can you believe it?
A crackhead left his laptop somewhere?
lydia smith
I can't believe it.
ashley st clair
Fake news.
The crackhead did not leave the laptop.
Never.
unidentified
Come on, man.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's an interesting one.
And if they settle out of court, they're going to go, it was nuisance money!
It was just nuisance money.
tim pool
Michael Brogan says, I've never seen as much from my 2A bros on Twitter until two weeks
ago.
Meanwhile, AKGuy was banned and unbanned from Instagram in the last 48 hours.
The top levels are definitely panicking.
Happy to see it.
Memeotype says, Open source code can be just as secure, if not more, than closed source.
Security is from good code, not secret code.
Internet sites and government agencies use Linux all over, which is 100% open source and it's plenty secure.
lydia smith
Linux rocks, I'm told.
tim pool
Ah, here we are!
Alex says, Happy Cinco de Mayo, TimCast crew, Seamus and Miss St.
Clair.
Drink the expensive tequila tonight.
We do have...
lydia smith
We do have nice tequila over there.
seamus coughlin
I can't believe I was expressly excluded as a member of the TimCast crew on Cinco de Mayo!
unidentified
It's the worst Cinco de Mayo of my life.
tim pool
And do you all know what today celebrates?
seamus coughlin
I know it's not the Mexican Independence Day.
Stop.
He's gonna do it.
unidentified
He's gonna do it.
lydia smith
He does it every year.
seamus coughlin
What are you doing?
lydia smith
Go ahead and tell us, Tim.
seamus coughlin
What, Tim?
tim pool
It's the celebration of the victory of the Battle of Puebla.
lydia smith
That's right.
Every year he tells us.
unidentified
That's true.
ian crossland
The Battle of Puebla.
lydia smith
That's right.
ian crossland
That's right.
Took place on May 5th, Cinco de Mayo, 1862.
ashley st clair
I thought he was going to tell the mayo story again.
ian crossland
Also, there was mayo involved.
tim pool
That is a Cinco de Mayo story.
ian crossland
Oh, Cinco de Mayo, that's a different story.
Yeah, that is different.
That's when there were five mayos on the table, and he took one of them.
lydia smith
That's true.
unidentified
George Washington.
tim pool
The joke is that it was a shipment of Spanish mayonnaise coming to the New World when it sank.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
lydia smith
Yes, so good.
seamus coughlin
That was the lesser-known Boston Tea Party when they sank the ships with the mayonnaise on it, and we called it the Cinco de Mayo.
ashley st clair
I would have believed it.
I said you could tell me.
unidentified
I don't know if they shipped mayonnaise.
seamus coughlin
Well, how else do you think they got it, Tim?
Where are you gonna get your mayonnaise?
ashley st clair
Here's the question.
Is the mayonnaise a person?
tim pool
Probably.
Do you ever make mayonnaise?
seamus coughlin
I've never.
ashley st clair
Fertilized or unfertilized mayonnaise?
seamus coughlin
I won't survive a post-apocalypse, man.
I can't make mayonnaise.
tim pool
And then you like mix it up and it just like turns to, it's crazy.
lydia smith
It's like aioli, similar.
tim pool
It's like watching it emulsify.
ashley st clair
Don't talk about food.
lydia smith
Let's eat.
tim pool
Oil.
Oil, egg, lemon juice or something like that.
lydia smith
Simple.
seamus coughlin
Alright.
tim pool
Let's grab some Super Chats.
Connor O'Brien says, Elon's just trying to convince us to trust him so we can jab a computer into our central nervous system.
Love his current moves, though.
ian crossland
It is important to never trust.
Not in general.
seamus coughlin
Don't say that Ian!
ian crossland
When you're using technology, have no trust with it.
Have a trustless system where you don't have to trust or not trust.
It's built in where it's all transparent.
There's no one person.
ashley st clair
That's why he only consumes the center.
Rejects both sides and substitute a healthy middle.
lydia smith
That's right.
ian crossland
Trustless.
I told you I trusted you a couple days ago or yesterday, and I don't normally say that to people.
seamus coughlin
I appreciate that, man.
tim pool
We opened up to you, Shane.
ian crossland
You know the Times of India is talking about India's giving personhood status to elephants.
Have you guys heard this?
tim pool
It's about time!
ashley st clair
Yeah, well, that's not what the definition says.
Elephants are good people.
ian crossland
Yeah, we're gonna have to change the definition.
tim pool
Yeah, change it.
James Moaning says, is Elon playing both sides in order to further humanity and technology?
Appease China, try to keep America together, since they are big powers.
And Seamus, big fan of Freedom Tunes, got my dad to laugh to the World War II soldiers coming to the future episode.
seamus coughlin
I am so glad.
Thank you.
I'm glad you enjoy that.
Can I actually give an answer to the Elon question?
Yeah.
So again, I've mentioned I'm somewhat skeptical.
I do consider myself possibly, you know, I consider myself cautiously optimistic.
I will say this.
There is a question that is asked by many left-wingers.
Is it the case that the corporations that forward our causes actually care about left-wing causes?
Or are they just obeying us because they're scared?
And the answer to that question is kind of doesn't matter.
They're still forwarding their causes.
And they won't forward their causes when it's not popular for them, but I would say the fact that Elon wants to make Twitter a space which is more open and friendly to conservative thought is a very good thing, even if he isn't necessarily doing it for the right reasons.
Though, as I said, cautiously optimistic.
Caution is the keyword.
tim pool
All right.
W Falcon says, speaking of starships, what is the story behind the spinning UFO and what it has to do with your email?
Also, like the Mexican flag behind Shem.
seamus coughlin
It all started... Excuse me?
ian crossland
Excuse me?
It all began on one summer night, when the blowing thing spun the UFO.
tim pool
I actually have the story.
It's kind of a crazy story, actually.
A lot of people might be surprised to hear how this UFO thing came to happen.
So, I was taking a dump one day, and I was scrolling through Instagram, and as I was scrolling through Instagram, I got an ad for a floating UFO lamp.
And I clicked buy now, and it auto-filled, and then I forgot about it.
And then a couple of weeks later, a UFO appeared, and I was like, oh yeah, that thing.
And then we had a keyboard cleaner, and I was like, oh, I bet I could spin it.
seamus coughlin
Sure enough.
Hold on, what's especially creepy is that Tim was muttering to himself on the toilet about how bad he wanted a UFO spinning lamp, and then immediately the ad came up on Instagram.
ashley st clair
They heard him talking about the space slingshot.
tim pool
Yep, yep.
One day, Instagram started advertising electric bikes to me, and then I was just like, okay, I'll buy some electric bikes.
seamus coughlin
You're giving them what they want.
It's working.
ian crossland
Do you remember what brand this is, by the way?
People ask from time to time.
ashley st clair
Is it just a magnet?
lydia smith
It's a Bluetooth speaker.
tim pool
It's an electromagnet?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
So it's floating magnetically, and then it's a Bluetooth speaker, which we haven't really utilized.
lydia smith
Yeah, we haven't used that.
ashley st clair
We gotta turn that off.
seamus coughlin
I didn't realize that you took the flag of my people down from behind.
lydia smith
Oh, I'm sorry I did that.
seamus coughlin
I'm sorry.
The buck stops with you, Sir Timothy Kass.
It's your show.
lydia smith
Seamus, the guest last night wasn't as Irish as you are, so I had to swap the flags out.
seamus coughlin
So they needed it more.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, you're right.
I'm sorry, I didn't even think about that.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
Lori MC says, it's 8 40 p.m.
Timcast IRL is not showing up via the YouTube search.
What's going on?
You know what's going on.
So head over to Timcast.com to become a member.
Because, you know, I regret not setting up the website sooner.
But you can only learn when you learn.
And we set it up over a year ago, and we should have done it in 2020 because it was an election year.
But we are building up our fortification.
So in the event we get booted from YouTube or whatever, the company still exists, the show still exists, we're on multiple platforms, we actually get tons of views on other platforms.
So I think we're good.
I think we are good.
We're going to be implementing a lot more infrastructure changes moving forward.
We're starting with this one.
I can't wait till we get our TV app.
Because then you're going to be able to go on your TV, download the app, and then it's going to have a bunch of shows.
Now, of course, the app stores have their rules, too, so we're doing what we can with what we can.
ian crossland
I want to point out Adam Kregler, because people in the chat are pointing out Adam Kregler may have been the inventor of the Let's Spin the UFO.
I'm not sure.
Was he the first one to spin the UFO?
tim pool
He may have been for the show.
ian crossland
Adam Kregler, you wild psychonaut.
tim pool
I think what happened was...
I posted on Instagram spinning the UFO with the blower thing and then I think Adam decided to make it a show element.
ian crossland
Such a good element.
tim pool
But I could be wrong.
It may have been Adam.
ian crossland
Adam's a superstar.
tim pool
He was the man who spun the UFO.
It was not me.
ian crossland
He was the UFO spinner.
tim pool
And he actually has the original UFO.
ian crossland
He does.
tim pool
This is a cheap knockoff.
Ours is a humble knockoff.
seamus coughlin
Adam's been very cool to me.
Gave me free shoes when he was moving.
He didn't have enough shoes.
Or he had too many shoes to take with him.
He's like, do you want some?
I was like, I guess I could use some shoes.
unidentified
Very nice.
Very kind.
ian crossland
Let me sample some of his crickler coffee, which I would highly recommend.
seamus coughlin
He said, I said, can I have some of your coffee?
unidentified
He said, no!
No!
ian crossland
Buy it!
tim pool
Absolutely not!
He started screaming.
seamus coughlin
I was like, all right.
Dude, I'm sorry.
tim pool
That's not what he said.
He said...
Yeah, for money.
seamus coughlin
I was like, I don't have that.
I'm a cartoonist.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
We got David C. Cook Sr.
says, Ian, the earthquake Tesla caused was because he hooked up a Tesla coil to a power supply and cycled the output back into the coil.
He stopped it by smashing it with a sledgehammer.
ian crossland
Whoa.
tim pool
Is that real?
ian crossland
What a great story.
I love that guy.
seamus coughlin
Don't you hate when that happens?
ian crossland
Super chatter and Nicola.
seamus coughlin
They accidentally make an earthquake.
That's so rough.
unidentified
Or a death, right?
tim pool
Superchats.
seamus coughlin
It's wild.
tim pool
Omega says, when they say no uterus, no say, I say no gun, no control.
My point to them is I keep my hands off your uterus as you keep yours off my guns.
Very libertarian approach, but I don't think that answers the conservative perspective.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, like people have a responsibility to behave in ways that don't harm other human
beings.
And even if you don't have this specific body part that they need to be responsible with
does not mean you can't comment on it.
It's such a ridiculous thing.
tim pool
I was talking to my brother and he was mentioning how some people were like, abortions need to be legal because what if I'm in a bad relationship?
I need to get out of it.
And it's like, that's actually the arguments put forward by a lot of people, especially liberals.
And it's kind of a crazy thought, it's like, you're in a bad relationship, quick, kill my son?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't understand that argument.
seamus coughlin
Makes zero sense.
ian crossland
Well, there's the threat that she would leave you and take the kid and then you have to pay money to her for the rest of your life.
ashley st clair
Well, you probably should have thought about that before you were having unprotected sex with them.
They couldn't have been that bad.
tim pool
Imagine having a five-year-old kid and being like, son, I ran out of money.
unidentified
Bye.
tim pool
What badge was that for?
That's insane.
seamus coughlin
Well, Tim, Tim, that's a deeply personal decision.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
I ran out of money, quick, kill the kids.
No, no, no, no, no.
All right, all right.
Mega Tamer Ernie says about the radioactive Boy Scout, he didn't try to build the death ray,
he tried to build his own nuclear reactor as a Boy Scout.
He succeeded to a point.
Really interesting story you can hear on YouTube.
seamus coughlin
What badge was that for?
ashley st clair
Is that why he's called radioactive Boy Scout?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
It's the nuclear reactor badge.
unidentified
Yeah, you gotta build a nuclear reactor that can power your house.
tim pool
You get your badge.
seamus coughlin
Dude, we were just like making fire.
That's wild.
tim pool
Texas' best mobile notary says you need to invite Kirk Cameron.
He runs Save the Storks, an organization whose purpose is to support pregnant moms considering abortion.
You have to see their mobile facility.
Didn't he do this really awful banana argument?
I don't know.
He argued that the banana was evidence of God because it's perfect.
seamus coughlin
It's easy to say when he's not here, Tim.
tim pool
It is.
I remember watching this video, so you can correct me if I'm wrong.
seamus coughlin
I think I might have seen that.
tim pool
He was mentioning how the banana has its own wrapper.
It's biodegradable.
It's pretty cool.
The food is inside it.
It fits our hand perfectly.
And everyone's response is like, yo, we cultivated the banana over thousands of years.
The actual wild bananas are starchy and hard to eat.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's not necessarily the argument.
ian crossland
Yeah, the banana argument was made by Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron sometime in the 2000s.
tim pool
And then there was another thing where he was arguing against evolution, and he showed a picture of like a duck with an alligator head or something.
See if you can look that up.
It's been a long time.
ashley st clair
What were the movies he did?
He did a good series of movies.
tim pool
But he said... Kirk Cameron, right?
ian crossland
Well, Growing Pains was one of the best shows in the 80s, in my opinion.
tim pool
But I think the argument was, if evolution was real, where is the species-to-species cross?
ian crossland
And so he showed, like, a duck-alligator head Kirk Cameron.
tim pool
Something like that.
I could be wrong.
ian crossland
Look it up with me, guys.
tim pool
It's been, like, 20 years.
seamus coughlin
I just think there's a much stronger argument for bananas.
The Crocoduck.
tim pool
The Crocoduck.
ian crossland
It's got its own Wikipedia.
tim pool
So here's my point.
The platypus.
That's where it is.
That thing's venomous.
ashley st clair
It secretes... Are they venomous?
unidentified
Yes.
ashley st clair
I thought they were cute.
tim pool
No, they're venomous.
seamus coughlin
Wait, hold on.
How does cute preclude venomous?
lydia smith
That's right.
unidentified
They can't hurt people.
seamus coughlin
You have to be dangerous to truly be cute.
lydia smith
Thank you, George.
tim pool
The Crocoduck was an argument you made?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Let's see.
The Crocoduck is a fictitious hybrid animal with the head of a crocodile body.
ashley st clair
There's not a lot of cute animals that are dangerous, though.
ian crossland
Proposed by 2007 by Earth Creationists, is what they call them, but whatever.
Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron.
Same guys.
seamus coughlin
I think, like, the existence of the universe in general is a much stronger argument for God than bananas specifically.
tim pool
I have to agree.
I thought it was a terrible idea.
seamus coughlin
It's like, why is there everything instead of nothing?
It's a really big question.
tim pool
It's like, look at this banana.
It's proof of God.
I'm like, I mean, not in the way you think, like the existence of life and the universe, perhaps, but the fact the banana fits in your hand, I don't know about that.
lydia smith
It's like, it's like Peter Griffin watching the plastic bag circling in the wind.
And God's like, what are you looking at?
Look at all this cool stuff over here.
And he's like, this is amazing.
Whatever.
tim pool
All right, what do we got here?
DD says, Timcast, you guys always talk about factory farms.
I suggest you have someone on FromOne.
I live on a dairy farm that many people call a factory farm, and it's a business that is so misunderstood.
If you need someone, I can send some your way to hear their perspective.
I got a better idea.
Why don't we send documentary filmmakers to go to misrepresented spaces and film them?
seamus coughlin
Ian, you want to do it?
unidentified
No.
seamus coughlin
Well, no, I've got some documentaries.
ian crossland
Well, wait, what are these misrepresented spaces?
If you're talking about, like, Bali or, like, under the water off the coast of Indonesia, I'm down to go rectify the perception of that area.
tim pool
I think we should send people to... Would you do it?
Everywhere.
Everywhere.
Luke Rutkowski went to Somalia, and I think he did a really great video on what it was.
It was, like, very honest.
It was, like, there's crime, but it's also not so bad in certain areas, and, you know, there's a lot of, like... I think it was great when he went there and he just made videos about it.
ian crossland
I want to do documentaries with Lauren Southern off the coast, literally off the coast of Indonesia.
There's all these temples under the water since the last flood, and she was like, yo, we should do it.
seamus coughlin
That's fascinating.
ian crossland
Yeah, that'd be really fun.
Cool.
tim pool
Yeah, that'd be super cool.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, dude, you'd be perfect for that.
ian crossland
Yeah, what's that called?
The Bimini Road, I think.
Is that there?
I'm gonna look that up.
tim pool
Now that you can fly without a mask on, the world is your oyster.
ian crossland
Oh, yes!
I'm gonna go to St.
Michelle in France.
seamus coughlin
By the way, we're gonna be shameless Seamus over here.
We did a Freedom Tunes cartoon about the masks being lifted.
Y'all need to check it out.
Fans really loved it.
I think you guys will love it.
tim pool
I was sending Seamus a message, and I used voice to text.
And then I said something like, hey Seamus, we need to record the voiceover for the chicken thing.
And then it said, Shamus, we need to record the voiceover.
And then when I clicked finish, Shamus turned into Shameless.
seamus coughlin
If that isn't big tech trying to malign me, I don't know what is.
tim pool
But it was weird because it got Shamus right, but then turned it into Shameless.
You know when you're doing voice attacks, it real-time translates?
seamus coughlin
So you know what happened?
At the beginning of the sentence, it was like he could be talking about any Shamus, but then by the time he got to the end, it knew it was me, so it had to change it.
ian crossland
I got a correction on the Bimini Road.
It's off the coast of the Bahamas, and it's this underwater, like, rectangular, sub-rectangular limestone blocks that stretch for 0.8 kilometers.
seamus coughlin
And you need to remove yourself from this documentary immediately.
tim pool
Let's read some more of these superchats.
Richard Knight says, quote, If the Civil War was the price the United States paid for slavery, then God help us when it comes to paying the price for legalized abortion.
lydia smith
Gonna be fun.
tim pool
Ann Coulter.
ian crossland
I'm concerned with factory farming.
What God's gonna do to us for that.
unidentified
So good.
tim pool
You know what I was thinking?
Can you name points in history in which people were stripped of their personhood?
Can I?
In American history, specifically.
Since the inception of this country.
I'm not saying there isn't one.
I'm saying, can you bring up an example of when something went to the courts and they said, this person no longer has any constitutional rights.
seamus coughlin
That's a really good question.
So I think an argument that would be made would be just slavery in general.
So when you're talking, you're saying like the court actually saying you're not a person.
ashley st clair
So personhood was revoked, is what you're kind of saying.
tim pool
Right, like someone had it and it was taken away and amassed like a Supreme Court ruling.
The reason I push back on the slavery thing is that actually slavery existed before the inception of this country and then it started with this country and then eventually the courts ruled to grant personhood.
Has there been a circumstance where they're like, this group of people hereby is revoked of their constitutional rights?
ian crossland
In the U.S.?
I don't know.
I don't think so.
tim pool
Criminals.
I'm not saying it's not true.
seamus coughlin
I think you could argue... No, that's due process.
Also, I think you could argue that the Three-Fifths Compromise was a revoking of personhood.
Because they actually ruled that this is not a full person.
tim pool
Well, that's interesting because the South argued slaves had full personhood for voting, but not other rights, so they didn't actually have personhood.
seamus coughlin
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, it was the North that wanted them to have no rights.
The North argued that slaves without personhood should not be granted the right to vote, and the South, of course this makes sense.
The South was like, we want more votes!
We have people here, and the North was like, no, you can't have slaves and then say they can vote as well.
Because then the slave owner is telling them who to vote for.
unidentified
Yeah, it makes no sense.
tim pool
The South would take away their own votes.
So the issue is, I don't think the slaves ever had personnel.
It was only that they were granted some more.
The reason I bring this up is because I was thinking about the abortion argument and I wondered, what's the right side of history?
Will unborn babies be granted personhood or be denied their personhood?
And here's what I ultimately came up with.
And again, could be wrong.
I'm not a historian.
Plessy versus Ferguson was an instance where they were like, hey, we're not going to enshrine absolute rights because, you know, it's basically like separate but equal.
But eventually, that gets done away with.
So there was a ruling where it was like, we will enshrine the existing infrastructure But eventually it gets dissolved.
I wonder then if the only possible outcome in the abortion argument is that personhood will be granted to unborn babies, and a layer one on top of that, India is going to grant elephants personhood.
It's kind of funny, but if we as a civilization, as a species, are coming to the point where we're recognizing the personhood of animals, then certainly unborn humans will likely be granted the same personhood rights.
ian crossland
Yeah, when they start neural netting babies in the womb and the mom wants to communicate with the kid when it's four months developing and they're gonna have like mind melds with it, then for sure they'll have personhood.
tim pool
And the program will default that all babies have Patrick Stewart's voice.
ashley st clair
That'd be awesome, you can ask them what they want to eat.
seamus coughlin
Make it so, number one.
ian crossland
Are you comfortable?
unidentified
Make it so, mother.
tim pool
I enjoy it when you eat fudgicles.
unidentified
I am craving pickles and peanut butter right now, mother.
tim pool
I have to admit, I am ripping off a Family Guy joke because they have the little baby girl.
seamus coughlin
Or is that American?
Oh, no, yeah, that is Family Guy.
tim pool
Yeah, the baby girl is voiced by Patrick Stewart.
ashley st clair
But to your point, I would say that they did almost revoke personhood in a way.
Like, if you go back and look at tort laws, it refers to the unborn.
And then all of a sudden, Roe passes and, you know, abortion's cut.
I would say that they did.
That's interesting.
tim pool
I did pull up that amicus brief that said, in the 1850s to 1880s, they viewed the unborn.
So, I wonder.
I don't know.
I don't know for sure.
Let's read a couple more Super Chats!
All right, let's see.
Free men die free says legal abortion is state sanctioned murder.
Yep.
The government giving women authority to be the arbiters of life or death.
It's a mockery of the classical liberal idea of equality and equality under the law.
There are interesting arguments about the right of the government to mandate a woman
provide her body to another being though.
I understand the arguments about responsibility.
And then it becomes... It's completely unique.
I was talking to somebody earlier about this.
If you invite someone in your home and say, you can live here, you can't kick them out.
Like, after a certain amount of time, it's like, you can't just kick them out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
If someone sneaks into your house and sleeps there for a certain amount of time, you can't legally kick them out.
ian crossland
Squatters' rights?
unidentified
Yup.
ashley st clair
Yeah, but that's not everywhere, is it though?
tim pool
I think probably most places, I could be wrong.
If someone kicks your door in and comes in your house and says, I'm living here now, you call the police, they'll remove that person.
Now, that's not a good, a perfect analogy for, you know, a baby in a womb.
But I understand the argument that if a woman invites a life into her womb, you can't then be like, I'm gonna kill it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well I mean the problem is none of the analogies really work because ultimately we're looking at the relationship between a parent and a child.
And parents do owe children the means to support them.
tim pool
Not even that.
We're looking at something that is unique.
There's no circumstance in which someone runs up to you and then bites you and then their veins go into your veins and I'm like, oh no!
Now I'm attached by blood.
What do I do?
It doesn't happen.
seamus coughlin
Well, and even that wouldn't be the right analogy, right?
Because the child is not the initiator.
The child exists because of you.
tim pool
Right.
So there's a question about the right to evict in the instance of rape, where the woman did not choose to allow someone to use her body.
It's not the kid's fault.
But then it's not the woman's fault.
The state is going to mandate she has to give her body to somebody else.
I would never allow the government to say I had to give my blood to somebody by force.
Never going to happen.
seamus coughlin
That's different.
ian crossland
I'm looking up squatters rights and most states are 10 years or more.
Six states worth seven years or less.
Arkansas, California, Florida, Montana, Tennessee, and Utah.
tim pool
But you're looking at something I think that's kind of different.
ian crossland
This is from andersonadvisors.com.
tim pool
If someone is living in a house for 30 days, they can make a legal argument and not be a victim.
So there's an issue of whether or not they gain rights over the property to own Undersquadra's rights, or are they tenants?
ian crossland
Is it how long you've known that they're in the house or how long they've been in the house?
Because if the mom doesn't know she's pregnant till 20 or 30 days, what's plan B, that birth control, would it actually, it causes a fertilized egg to get passed out of the body.
Like, is that murder?
ashley st clair
No, I believe plan B stops the fertilization from happening.
seamus coughlin
That's debated.
It's debated.
tim pool
I'm just saying, dude, if I was responsible in every single way and someone forced something into me and then the state said, and now you have to provide your body to it.
I'd be like, no.
seamus coughlin
I don't think that's an apt analogy.
So, for example, you cannot be forced to just provide food to a random stranger, right?
But if you have a baby, you can't just stop feeding them and allow them to starve to death because that's your child.
We're not talking about you having a baby.
tim pool
It's a different relationship.
We're talking about someone forcefully putting something into your body to consume your blood.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but I don't think that's an analogy that can really... I don't think that that works as an analogy to pregnancy.
tim pool
Bro, I gotta tell you, man, I don't know if it matters what you think in terms of the analogy.
What matters is women would kill themselves before allowing the state to do that.
That's actually one of the issues we have.
Like, I understand the argument about elective abortion for no reason.
But there is a serious problem when a woman gets raped, and then the state says, and now you have no choice, and then they slit their throats.
seamus coughlin
I don't... I mean, do you have any statistics to verify that that is an occurrence in places where abortion is illegal?
unidentified
And I understand what you're saying, but I- That's not an argument to what I just said.
seamus coughlin
But no, you're saying that if we don't allow people to kill their babies, they're gonna slit their throats?
ashley st clair
I'm saying- I understand what you're saying.
tim pool
That there are absolutely people who, if they were forced to have another life form attached to their body, and they did everything responsibly, abided by the law, and someone else pins them down and puts a baby in them, and they say, I did not choose this, and I will not give my body, I was responsible, and the state says you have no choice, If it was me, I'd be like either no, the state has no right to force this position on me because this crazy person did this to me, or I'd probably just say off with my own.
ashley st clair
That's such an extreme example though because it's such a small percentage of abortions that I feel like it's exaggerated to be this, well, you know, what are you going to do if they're raped?
Well, I agree with you on that.
tim pool
I completely agree.
Elective abortion, I think, is people just being like, oh, time for birth control.
But I'm saying there is an issue there in how you deal with it.
Look, maybe it's one in a million.
I'm the kind of person that will not tolerate the state coming to me and stripping me of my rights.
seamus coughlin
You're on the verge of nanobots.
But you don't have a right to kill a baby, so you're not being stripped of your rights.
tim pool
No, no, no.
If somebody commits a crime against me, and puts me in a negative position, and then the state seeks to impose something on me because I was victimized, you ain't playing that game.
ashley st clair
But then what are your limitations on that?
tim pool
No, no, no.
They can give the baby everything it needs to live, but it's not getting my blood.
ashley st clair
What are your trimester limitations on that then?
Like, you know, do they have to get it taken care of right away?
unidentified
Absolutely.
ashley st clair
Can they think about it for a minute?
tim pool
After the first trimester, I say, my personal opinion is no.
seamus coughlin
Like, but is it not an imposition at the third trimester?
You're giving it your blood.
tim pool
It is an imposition, but it's called compromise.
It's called, like, if someone kicks your door and lives in your house for 30 days, the government's like, well, you could have kicked them out, but you chose not to.
ashley st clair
But what if they're raped and they don't know they're pregnant until second or third trimester of that house?
tim pool
That is a very serious challenge.
It is.
And there's a problem of, if you want to make the argument that someone made a choice to have a baby in them, If you want to make the argument that the baby should not be killed, agreed.
But if you want to make the argument that a person who was forced into a position by a criminal now has to provide their body to someone else, I won't do it.
seamus coughlin
That someone else is their child.
tim pool
Doesn't matter.
seamus coughlin
People should have to provide for their children.
tim pool
If someone victimizes me, and the state tries to victimize me further, trust me, that game will not be played by me.
seamus coughlin
You're not being victimized by not being able to kill your baby.
ashley st clair
But I don't know that.
I mean, that's assuming that having a child is, you know, traumatizing or victimizing.
tim pool
I mean, for somebody who, like, look, I think you guys are not being, you know, like, I don't think you're listening to what I'm saying.
seamus coughlin
I hear what you're saying.
I think you're making it about a matter of personal choice.
What I'm saying is you can't kill babies.
Even if the circumstances are really difficult.
I think it's a tragedy when a woman's raped.
I think it's unbelievably horrific.
I think abortion is also a crime against women as well.
I don't think it heals them.
I think they have to carry around the burden of the fact that their child is now dead.
I don't think it's a good thing for the victim either.
And ultimately you are killing a child.
That just can't be justified.
tim pool
I don't fault the baby.
I think we need to develop better technologies for saving the life of the unborn child.
But I also think the state saying your blood, your body, to someone else is a line too far.
seamus coughlin
But it's your child.
ashley st clair
But where does it stop, though?
I mean, you could go into reproductive coercion.
You could say, oh, you know, maybe I was in this relationship, but I didn't really want to have a baby.
I mean, where's the line, though?
It does stop.
tim pool
It stops when you're like, if it's a violent assault.
ashley st clair
If it's only forcible, violent rape from someone you don't know.
unidentified
Because rape still happens with people you know or you're in a relationship with.
tim pool
The issue is if we're talking about someone being personally responsible, I do not agree the state has a right to impose responsibility on you in terms of your bodily autonomy.
I don't think the- like, let's say you have a son, right?
And that son has a kidney problem.
I don't think the state can be like, you need to give your kidney to this kid.
seamus coughlin
But your kidney does not exist for you to give it to your child.
The uterus literally exists for a child to grow in it.
But, it's a question of- That is the purpose of the organ.
The organ's being used properly.
ian crossland
But a gun exists to stop a rapist.
tim pool
It's a question of personal responsibility.
If a person does everything and they're personally responsible, then it's unfortunate, but you can't force someone to give up their body to someone else.
ashley st clair
If you're raped and you go to the hospital, they will give you emergency contraceptives.
seamus coughlin
Great.
Well, so... Hold on, but I think you're conflating fault and responsibility.
You're right that if someone is raped, it's not their fault that they're pregnant.
It's still their responsibility to not kill their child, though.
tim pool
I just think, look, I get it.
I completely get it.
But for someone like me, I'll tell you right now, I would not allow it to happen.
ashley st clair
If you are raped, you go to the police and they take you to the hospital, you're given plan B or an emergency contraceptive.
tim pool
And I'm glad that we're doing things like that.
And I'm glad that we have restrictions.
I think the left's position is psychotic.
But I think there's gotta be personal liberties.
ashley st clair
But if that solution exists, and Plan B you can take up to, I believe it's 72 hours, if that solution exists, why allow abortion?
Because there is a solution that's not abortion.
seamus coughlin
Well, but that's debatable.
There's an argument to me that Plan B is actually an abortifacient.
tim pool
Let's read one more Super Chat, because people are saying, read more Super Chats.
But we'll talk more about this stuff with the Pfizer data too in the members segment.
All right, let's see.
We'll read one more here.
unidentified
What is it?
tim pool
Dorktanian.
The state isn't victimizing you, it's preventing you from victimizing innocent life.
Aside, rap is such a small percentage of abortion, rape is such a small percentage of abortions, it's disingenuous to make a policy off of it.
I don't disagree with that.
That's why I mostly disagree with abortion.
But, you know, we've, I think we've talked about it to a bit ad nauseum.
So instead of just dragging on, let's do the member segment.
If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, become a member because we're talking about Pfizer's data.
And, um, I don't think YouTube would allow it.
I don't know for sure.
Maybe they would.
But it's just crazy stuff.
So we'll have it over at TimCast.com.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me at TimCast.
Ashley, you want to shout anything out?
ashley st clair
ThePostMillennial.com.
Check it out.
We're going to have a lot of really cool stuff coming up.
tim pool
You have a Twitter account?
ashley st clair
I do.
At St.
Clair Ashley.
Follow me on there if you're brave.
tim pool
Right on.
seamus coughlin
I've got a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
We make cartoons and animations.
I think you guys will really enjoy them.
We just uploaded one this week about Elon Musk getting his clutches on Twitter and how the left is reacting.
And I think you guys will enjoy it.
So go check it out.
Love you.
ian crossland
I'm getting the vibe that a lot of YouTube admins tonight really wanted us to talk about the Pfizer dump.
So sorry.
I know we're treading lightly.
I would love to get more raw.
Let's do it.
Let's do it in the future.
But we need to know that it's going to be okay beforehand because Tim is cautious in these regards, and that is why he is successful in many ways.
Also, Bear Kennedy, in the comments yesterday, said that every time I roll the 100-sided die, he checks the wild magic surge table in Dungeons & Dragons.
When you're a wild mage, sometimes things go wrong when you're trying to cast spells and some random thing happens, so I'm gonna do that for you tonight.
Bear Kennedy with the idea.
What happens is you roll 100, so I got a 22.
Then you go to your wild magic, and something crazy happens when you get a 22.
For the next day, you have advantage on the next 2d6 rolls you make where you don't already have advantage.
tim pool
That means he wins all the arguments.
ian crossland
That's very good for me.
So if I didn't succeed first, I get to try again for free.
lydia smith
Great.
ian crossland
For the next 24 hours, and we'll do it on the after show.
lydia smith
Awesome, I'm looking forward to that.
I was going to say, too, that we don't talk about it on YouTube so that we can continue to talk to you guys here, although I'm very excited to get over onto Rumble.
Hopefully, maybe someday we could livestream from Rumble in the future.
We'll see what shakes out.
Very excited for that branch.
You guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at SourPatchlets, as well as SourPatchlets.me.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
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