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March 5, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Russia Bans Facebook, James Lindsay Discusses WEF And CRT
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ian crossland
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tim pool
It's been nothing but Ukraine war, Russia war, Ukraine, man it's crazy.
There's other stuff going on in the world, but this one does seem to be the most pressing.
We do have the Freedom Convoy making its way, and we do have a bunch of other crazy stories, too, but, uh... Man, I've been looking back at all the news, and it's just endless talk of what's going on in Ukraine because, obviously, people keep saying World War III.
The latest, Russia has apparently blocked access to Facebook.
So it's like, as all these companies say, we're going to censor you or sanction you.
Russia is just like, okay, get out.
We're done with this.
But it does feel like Russia is becoming increasingly more isolated because even China seems to be backing off a little bit.
Brazil and India are kind of like, yo, we're neutral on this one.
So I don't know if Russia will be able to hang out for much longer, but I do think they may end up winning at least their objectives here.
Now, Donald Trump has come out and said he told Putin and Xi he would nuke them if they went after Ukraine or Taiwan, and so basically he's confirming the story, which is crazy.
And then we've got a bunch of other crazy stuff.
One thing I really want to talk about tonight, there's this ad I got on Twitter for an artificial intelligence, like, girlfriend or friend.
It doesn't say girlfriend, it says friend.
And it's just really creepy.
So I want to remind everybody, don't date robots!
Yeah.
He's like, yes!
unidentified
Hey!
tim pool
Those things.
about the World Economic Forum, Critical Race Theory with none other than the
foremost expert on critical race theory, author of Race Marxism, James Lindsay.
Yeah, he's like yes!
james lindsay
The World Economic Forum.
tim pool
Yeah, yes.
What are you doing?
Who are you?
What's going on?
james lindsay
I'm somebody.
tim pool
You're a sword fighter.
james lindsay
I am a sword fighter, a little bit.
I mean, we were sword fighting a little bit, not like that.
tim pool
James disarmed me with a Wakazashi.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
james lindsay
That's right.
So, you know, keeping up with things, traveling a lot, talking a lot, getting around the country, being the world's, I guess, foremost expert in critical race theory, as I've been billed.
Smeagol must take names that he's given.
tim pool
Well, it makes the show seem more prestigious, you know?
And I'm like, this guy's the best.
seamus coughlin
A white guy is the foremost expert in CRT?
How offensive.
james lindsay
How offensive.
I'm a non-practicing white, though.
seamus coughlin
It's okay.
james lindsay
I don't believe in practicing my race.
Go figure.
seamus coughlin
He's a lapsed white.
So are you, like, baptized white and then just stop doing it?
Or fall away on your team?
james lindsay
Yeah, I think that's how that works.
tim pool
Raised white for a few years, but then, you know, left the race.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, what's her face?
Rachel Dolezal.
james lindsay
Yeah, but no, she tried to adopt another race.
I just checked right out of the whole system.
tim pool
I started clicking other on all the boxes.
james lindsay
Yeah, you just gotta check them out.
tim pool
So we'll be talking to James about a lot of stuff.
We got to Seamus of Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin
Seamus of Freedom Tunes.
Yeah, I make cartoons.
I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes if y'all want to check that out.
We released a cartoon yesterday on Joe Biden's State of the Union and we're Working on some tunes next week about the industrial military complex as well as the woke military training So I think you guys will like that go there subscribe stay tuned and also really excited for tonight's show Ian Crosland over here nothing too deep to report yet, but I am on board and reporting for duty
lydia smith
I am stoked as well, because James knows how to talk and he knows what he's talking about.
This is gonna be a great conversation tonight.
We love having James.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm kind of tired, so I'm just gonna be like, James, just tell us everything.
And I'm gonna sit back here and get my phone.
I've been playing Lemmings recently.
seamus coughlin
Dude, Lemmings is... Are you kidding me?
That's one of my favorite games.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was amazing.
seamus coughlin
That game was amazing.
Like, are you an emulated version?
tim pool
No, the mobile version's weak.
Yeah, it's like you can make stairs.
seamus coughlin
Dude, we have a Sega Genesis downstairs.
I'll get one of the cartridges.
james lindsay
You guys need to mod that and get the NPC faces on the Lemons.
unidentified
Oh, that's cool.
seamus coughlin
That's amazing!
tim pool
No, for real, I could do that in 20 minutes.
james lindsay
They support all the things, so just falling off the cliff.
seamus coughlin
That's a brilliant idea.
We're not paying you for that, but we will use it.
lydia smith
We'll totally take it.
tim pool
We should make a game where it's kind of like Lemmings, but it's NPCs.
So for those who don't know what Lemmings is, 30 little lemmings will walk around and walk back and forth, and you can assign tasks to them.
So dig a hole, or block someone, or shoot rope across a gap or something.
james lindsay
Paint Black Lives Matter on a street.
ian crossland
Unattended, they just keep walking until they die.
You gotta try and guide them to the right place.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, so they just walk and the idea is you have to get them from the entrance to the exit of the level with as few as possible dying.
It's a great game.
It's really a great game.
tim pool
The mobile version's really weak because in the original game there was like 20 different jobs you could give them, and in the mobile version there's like four.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
I mean, there's actually maybe like seven or eight.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's very strategic because you have a limited number of jobs you can assign, so like on some levels there can only be like three climbers or two diggers.
It's awesome.
tim pool
Lemming is a fun game, we should make it, and PCs.
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Yo, let's talk about this year's censorship.
We have this story from The Guardian.
Russia blocks access to Facebook and Twitter.
Oh man.
lydia smith
Good.
tim pool
The move to block Facebook and Twitter comes as the government passed a bill that criminalizes fake reports against the war.
You know what's funny?
I'm not a fan of censorship for the most part.
You know, I think it's, obviously there's nuance here.
Censoring some stuff is important and good.
Like we talk about child abuse, criminal acts and stuff.
That's where the censors are really supposed to be like, okay, that is crime, like against children and humanity.
Get rid of it.
But when I see Russia banning Facebook and Twitter, I feel this kind of catharsis of like, I wish, I wish, just get rid of it!
I know, I hear you.
I hate it so much.
But it is, truth be told, Twitter and Facebook are still pretty good, despite all of the bad.
And therein lies the real challenge, the ability for regular people to actually have a voice, even if they do face censorship.
And that's why we resist the censorship here, because the power granted to the people by these platforms was good.
And now they're trying to take it back because they realize they made a mistake.
james lindsay
Well, I'm generally against censorship.
I generally agree with what you just said.
The only really kind of interesting thing, I don't know that it's even directly connected to this, the only really interesting thing that I think, I tweeted this this morning, I think people got really mad about it, is that one of the utilities of Facebook in particular, more than Twitter, but Twitter has this too, is if you have some controversial narrative thing going on, some controversial activity, whether it's Ukraine, whether it's a virus, whatever it is, One epistemological tool, to sound very philosophical, that's emerged in the past few years is whatever Facebook will ban is probably true.
So if you want to find out what's going on with Ukraine or with a virus or with the World Economic Forum or whatever it is...
Or as a critical race theory, you probably need to just post some edgy stuff on Facebook and see what they ban.
tim pool
You've got to add a little bit of that age to your impersonation.
Like it talks like this.
james lindsay
Well, I don't have any marbles in my mouth.
I just drank an energy drink for weeks.
tim pool
Yeah, do we have marbles?
You gotta stuff your cheek with like toilet paper or marbles.
james lindsay
Yeah, I'm very excited.
tim pool
World Economic Forum!
seamus coughlin
I hear what you're saying about the utility of Facebook in that sense.
It's also true of the fact-checkers that they're in bed with.
I found them incredibly useful in the past.
I remember there was one instance about two years ago where I was doing research on a video about the scandal with Biden's son in Ukraine and the investigator being fired by Joe Biden effectively because he said he would withhold aid to their country.
And one of the fact checkers that I found, and I was looking up, I wanted to look up debunkings of this to see how strong the argument against the potential for foul play was.
And the response was, well, it's true that Joe Biden told them to withhold the funding for Ukraine unless they fired this prosecutor, but that was the official policy of the Obama administration in general.
It's like, oh, right, because Biden had nothing to do, the vice president of the administration had nothing to do with the policy of the Obama administration.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, but think about that for a few seconds.
Yes, Joe Biden did try to push an illegal quid pro quo, but Obama told him to do it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's like, okay, well, pens have done this and then it would have been okay.
Like, cause Trump wanted it to happen.
seamus coughlin
It's just hilarious because in these fact checks, they will always try to use their best argument against something, which in a number of cases is actually true and they reveal their hand in doing so.
And so there was a lot of utility there.
james lindsay
Mostly false.
context missing. Yeah. We don't want you to believe it.
tim pool
Mostly false is like my favorite. Because there's there was one instance where on
PolitiFact there were two quotes one was from Trump and one was from Bernie and
they were almost verbatim identical and Trump's was mostly false and Bernie's
was mostly true and it was something like Trump saying you know like
inner-city black youth have a 51% unemployment rate
And Bernie said, like, the same thing, but Bernie's was mostly true.
And they're like, well, Bernie does get this wrong.
It is.
While Trump gets most of this wrong, some of it is.
ian crossland
Along the lines of, like, who is saying it defines if it's true or not.
That's very disturbing to me.
seamus coughlin
It's true.
tim pool
There are other examples.
How do you quantify truth?
You know, when they say mostly peaceful protest, how do you quantify when it's most?
james lindsay
93% peaceful, 7% fire.
Isn't that hilarious?
seamus coughlin
That was the actual number.
And that's the thing.
Well, they used that number as if it was some kind of own.
Like only 7% of them are violent.
Are you insane?
This is a country of 330 million people and these protests are popping up everywhere.
Even if it is only 7%, that's insane.
tim pool
It's like the weather.
Okay, so this is the misconception people have is when they say it's a 40% chance of rain They're not saying flip a coin.
It might rain.
They're saying 40% of the day might be rain.
I don't know if that's true That's why I've heard like people they've done these internet arguments.
That's how you get a view the 93 to 7% thing with with BLM They're not saying of the 100 protests 93 were peaceful They're saying of the 100 protests, in all of them, 7% of the time was extreme violence.
seamus coughlin
Which again conflicts with that I've cited on the show before, which is that 70% of major city police departments reported officers being injured during these protests, and you're telling me only 7% of them were violent?
ian crossland
I think in combat, or in war, most of the time it's not combat.
Then you have a burst of it, probably less than 7% of the time a soldier, even a combat soldier, is in combat.
7% is a lot of time for destruction to be going on.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean That means there's like a good half hour out of the protest.
ian crossland
Notably a violent protest.
tim pool
Yes, smashing windows or burning down buildings.
james lindsay
Not just buildings, you have to burn down buildings specifically in a poor black neighborhood for Black Lives Matter.
seamus coughlin
Because insurance will take care of it.
Because insurance means anyone can destroy anything for any reason and it'll be fine.
ian crossland
We're talking about, like, if you have faith in the person, then you believe what they're saying, and if Trump says it, you're like, nah, he's lying.
I came across this internet video last night of, you know, Aileen Waranos?
You guys know this woman is?
She was like a hitchhiker, and she carried a gun and killed seven guys.
She was like, I had a gun, and if the guys attacked me, I would defend myself.
And the cops knew it, and they let me keep killing.
Eventually, after seven deaths in a year, they arrested her and put her to death.
Death row.
So, she gave this speech, she was taking all this meth, her skin's all ripped apart, and she's like, I had to do it!
I had to do it!
And you're like, ah, this evil woman, you know.
But then, they deepfake Kristina Pozitsky's face on it.
Kristina P. Uh, the beautiful comedian.
And it's this beautiful woman, it's still Eileen's story, but it's with a beautiful face.
And you're like, I understand why you had a gun and why you were defending yourself.
Because when you see a beautiful person saying it, it has a different meaning than an ugly person.
It is terrifying to think that that is real.
It's on Instagram, this guy Brian Monarch, his page.
tim pool
What does it have to do with what we're talking about?
ian crossland
It's a deep fake of like, you're saying Biden says something and everyone's like, yeah, and then Trump does it and they're like, oh, it's evil.
All of a sudden, but it's the same exact, and in this case, it's the exact Brian Monarch.
It's the exact same voice.
It's her with a deep fake image, and it has a different meaning.
seamus coughlin
It's very, well, and this is one of the huge problems, one of the many huge problems with Hollywood, but they're always casting extremely attractive people even to do completely reprehensible things.
ian crossland
Scroll down, it's from 25 weeks ago.
seamus coughlin
And so I think it makes those things seem more normal or likable to a lot of people.
james lindsay
25 weeks ago is a while.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's been up for a long time.
james lindsay
This is repressive tolerance, y'all.
Of course, I have to do the stupid philosophy thing, right?
So, 1965, leader of the New Left, Herbert Marcuse, writes Repressive Tolerance.
You'll see.
Well, this maybe you won't see, but when we do Trump and Biden, you will.
ian crossland
And you gotta see, this is the deepfake.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, we'll talk about this.
I'm kind of confused as to what we're talking about.
ian crossland
Once you see the video, you'll know.
It's three minutes.
It's her, like, basically on death row, and they're giving her a final interview, and she's like, I've come to peace with it.
You know, you're all a bunch of this and that.
And it's just so bone-chilling to see that same sentiment with a beautiful face.
Because I was getting, like, empathy.
I was like, wow, maybe she shouldn't have been put to death.
james lindsay
Right, so this is what's going on.
There's been a very—actually, I hate to maybe pin this on the guy because I thought he was funny too, but I call this the Jon Stewart effect.
There's been a relentless campaign for a very long time to make conservatives bad, ugly, and stupid to the general population.
So Trump is bad, ugly, and stupid by this metric.
Bernie is a leftist, he's old, he's doing the best he can, he's got the right message, but this is repressive tolerance.
Herbert Marcuse, a leading leftist or Marxist thinker of the 1960s, writes an essay in 1965 called Repressive Tolerance.
The argument, and I kid you not, I don't exaggerate at all, the thesis statement of the argument is literally, movements from the left must be tolerated even when they're violent, movements from the right must not be extended tolerance at all.
And so this is why you see that disparity.
We live in Marcuse's world.
We live in the neo-Marxist architecture that this guy created.
He's very influential.
He wrote a book in 1964 called One-Dimensional Man, sold 300,000 copies in the first year, if I'm not mistaken.
This stat might be over its lifetime, but I think it was over the first year.
Very influential.
Widely credited as the most influential leftist thinker.
So he laid out an architecture where the leftist line of thought is, when we do it, It's good.
It must be tolerated, and anybody who doesn't tolerate us is a fascist.
If the right does it, it's bad.
Period.
It must not be tolerated.
I wasn't exaggerating.
If we pulled up the essay, you could actually find the quote that that is the thesis statement of the essay.
Movements from the left must be extended tolerance.
Movements from the right must not be extended tolerance.
To the point, he says, do you prevent right-wing people from even being able to form the thought?
In other words, he says, this is censorship and even pre-censorship, which I'm not even sure what pre-censorship is.
so that the thought can't even enter their head.
And this is the double standard that we run into where you see the mostly true, mostly false for Bernie versus Trump.
This is the double standard that the left has erected, and everybody tries to point out, oh, they're hypocrites, oh, they're hypocrites.
And finally, it's so exciting for me to see it.
Finally, people are catching on.
It's not hypocrisy, it's hierarchy.
They're actually asserting, we are better people than you, we are smarter people than you, we are more moral people than you, and we are saner people than you.
And therefore, you have to put up with all of our crap, And we're going to put up with literally none of your crap.
And that's why you see that dichotomy of mostly true, mostly false, when it's literally the same statement from Trump and Bernie.
tim pool
This is why I get frustrated when I see Joe Rogan apologizing to these people.
james lindsay
Cannot apologize.
tim pool
Because when he did, it only made things worse.
It made the story bigger, and it made the story more pronounced.
It made the story last longer.
And you know what I love is I actually really enjoy when they get triggered and they flip out.
I'm trending again.
So this is the craziest thing.
I was trending for like, I think I have been swatted more times than anyone else.
In like this short of a period, I have been trending more and I'm like, what am I even doing?
It's really simple, actually.
I'm not calling anybody any slurs.
I'm not insulting people.
But they're getting extremely angry at me because I don't care about them.
And so when I tweeted, I tweeted, I despise appeals to emotion in response to a translator who was crying, talking about Zelensky.
Then all of a sudden they come out and they try making it out to be that I'm insulting Zelensky.
And I wasn't. My response was, because Twitter put an editorial up on the What's Happening saying
podcaster Tim Pool blah blah blah blah, I said I drafted my formal apology to this tweet, wiped
my ass with it, and threw it in the trash. And they got really mad about that because
it's hierarchy, right?
james lindsay
That's right.
tim pool
They're supposed to be able to tell me that what I did was wrong, and I just laughed in their faces.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
And when you do that, it's the crying Wojak NPC meme, like... That's right, that's right.
They get so mad, they start swatting.
james lindsay
Rogan should have either ignored it or made a joke.
And then moved on.
tim pool
The end.
Not to give the guy advice, but... My attitude is, insult them, and if they counter, insult them again, and if they counter, keep insulting them and laugh while you do it.
james lindsay
That's our Twitter.
seamus coughlin
Well, and to your point, I mean, this is almost perfectly summarized by AOC's quote that she will be chastised for being factually inaccurate when she's morally correct.
So even when they say something which is blatantly untrue, it's okay because their agenda is good and pure.
And to bring her into it again, and bring it back to fact-checkers, there was a hysterical example where she said that she was in the main Capitol building during the quote-unquote insurrection, and she was not.
tim pool
No, she didn't say she was in the Capitol building.
seamus coughlin
No, she didn't.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
This story is so much worse than... I'm surprised the right never caught this.
Like, I actually briefly mentioned it to Ben Shapiro, and he was surprised.
He was like, wow, nobody caught that.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claimed that while the insurrection was occurring, there was a bang on her door.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
And a guy... And she ran and hid in the bathroom.
And then she heard a voice, where is she?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Where?
That's what she did on her video.
And then she was like, this is it.
She thought she was going to die.
So I actually saw that, and I started looking at the timestamps and seeing what was going on, and then I said, at this time she was talking about this, this time, there's people standing around in the hallways of the congressional building, no one's worried, what is she talking about?
I had a Huffington Post reporter tell me my timeline was wrong, and that I was actually showing video from the bomb threat.
And I responded to them, that's the time frame that AOC claimed the guy was knocking on her door, which would mean the guy knocked on her door well before anyone breached the Capitol building.
And this guy from the Huffington Post was like, oh yeah, you're right.
Hey, how about that?
AOC made the whole story up.
What it really was, was a cop knocked on her door because of the bomb scare.
She was not afraid for her life.
Nothing had even happened.
No one had breached any buildings.
Nothing had happened.
She made the whole thing up.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, there was, there was, um, when she said she was at, so she had this whole story and I can't remember who it was, pointed out that it wasn't true.
She wasn't at the Capitol building at the time.
And then the fact checker said.
tim pool
She never said she was at the Capitol building.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
tim pool
She never said she was at the Capitol building.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
She said she was in a congressional office in a different building.
And this was significant because the fact checkers started saying all the conservatives were wrong because she wasn't in the Capitol building.
And then for me, I was like, I never said she was.
I watched her Instagram 45-minute video or whatever and said she fabricated the story and I laid out the timelines.
I'm surprised the conservatives didn't catch that she fabricated that story.
They were criticizing her saying, well, but you know, she wasn't in the Capitol, but still it's an absurd story.
And it was just like, dude.
ian crossland
It sounded like reading an article until you see the word you're looking for and then you stop reading.
As soon as you get confirmation of what you think you wanted to see, then you're like, I don't need to research any further.
tim pool
They were saying that she was claiming she was scared, but she wasn't even in the Capitol building.
The fact-checkers came out and said, yes, but there are tunnels connecting the Capitol to the congressional offices, so it's reasonable that she would be scared.
The insurrectionists made it there.
And then my response was, no, it isn't.
Her story happened a full hour before anyone got near the Capitol building.
Unless AOC knew they were going to do it.
Hey, maybe the feds should question her as to how she knew they were going to be storming in the building.
james lindsay
Maybe.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
James, I want to follow up on what you're saying about Marcuse's, what was the phrase you call it?
james lindsay
Repressive tolerance.
ian crossland
Repressive tolerance.
Because I find that, I'm going to write this down actually, repressive tolerance.
When you they try and basically it sounds like not eradicate the right but they're trying to preempt the right by making it so they don't even whatever that means the right that they don't even have thoughts they don't even think the thoughts what I'm finding is if you try and destroy part of a dichotomy it's like a magnet you have a north and a south and if you break it in half the new piece still has a north and a south so if you eradicate the right You're essentially creating a new left and a new right, and then you have to eradicate that right, which then creates a new left and a new right, which is ever smaller, and you're ripping society in half over and over again.
james lindsay
Yeah, so he actually defines what the left is, as the people who want to have a whole new society.
In other words, a revolution.
In other words, Marxists.
ian crossland
When does it end in hysteria?
tim pool
Well, hold on there a minute, sir.
I would like a whole new society.
I would like the Constitution to be upheld.
I would like the Federal Reserve to be, you know, not.
I would like our system of governance to actually be representative.
I would say that I consider myself to be particularly revolutionary in that our system is broken in a large variety of ways, and I think most Trump supporters agree with that.
james lindsay
Yeah, that's because MAGA is class consciousness.
tim pool
Right.
The only thing is, I don't think we should be like, I don't know, burning it down and killing people and smashing windows.
We should be like, you know, going through paperwork and being like, hey guys, I think this would work better.
And then we say, all right, let's give it, let's give it a shot.
james lindsay
Yeah, absolutely.
So yeah, MAGA is class consciousness.
Marx, it turns out, surprisingly, wasn't totally wrong.
Marx believed that when capitalism reached an advanced enough stage, when it reached a late enough stage, it would seize so much control and become so corrupt That eventually the working class would awaken and realize, hey wait, we are being screwed over by the power elite, and we need to seize the means of production, etc.
The problem was Marx thought what the working class would want is equity.
Everybody made equal.
Everything shared equitably.
What it wants is freedom.
The human spirit cries to freedom.
It does not cry to, let's share all of our crap.
It cries to freedom.
tim pool
He was a really, he was not a smart man.
james lindsay
Marks?
unidentified
Yeah, Marks.
james lindsay
No, not particularly.
He's also a very entitled, spoiled brat man.
He spent down his parents' money.
He spent down his wife's family's money.
He spent down Engle's money.
When Engle's... Engle's did not marry the, we'll say, love of his life.
I don't know.
They lived together 20 years of relationship.
She dies, right?
Marks writes a letter to Engels, who's his cash cow.
And in this letter, he writes a couple of sentences at the beginning, like, oh, that's sad.
I'm sorry to hear that.
And then he writes 30-something sentences about his financial problems and could you send a check to Engels when this love of his life died.
That's the letter he sends.
And so much so that Engels, who's basically been like his little lapdog on a leash this whole time, is like, oof, bro, not even.
By the way, here's your check.
Because he's a total cuck.
But he was not a good guy.
He was not a good guy.
tim pool
But think about it.
Doesn't he represent the modern left in so many ways, like very well?
seamus coughlin
No, exactly.
tim pool
He's just like them.
Exactly.
james lindsay
Or they are just like him.
tim pool
Right.
They are the children of his entitled and ignorant and naive ideology.
That's right.
When you actually... When you think about the universe and what it takes to create and survive and to maintain, You have a very different worldview but when you're born into luxury and you don't understand like it's it's it I view it as somebody who understands physics and they can they understand the building blocks of reality and physicists tend to then they have a general understanding of how things are connected and what you need to make a certain thing work.
But then imagine you have like a fifth grade science teacher who doesn't know anything about physics because he's just got hired for the job and they put him in the science department and he doesn't understand what he's talking about.
He's like, I should be able to do this and it should work and it doesn't.
He doesn't understand the underlying principles that make a machine work.
When you have people who are born into luxury, they don't understand the base components of existence, of an economy, of hard work, of what made the economy good, family structure, for instance.
So they say, well, now that we're floating on top of this cloud, well above where all the worker bees are, You know, what do we want?
If you grow up, if you develop your mind without seeing the hard work required to maintain, then you will not advocate for its maintenance.
james lindsay
And that's what Mark says.
It's not hard to get food, it's just at the grocery store.
tim pool
And that's exactly what people said to me when I criticized UBI.
When they were shutting down these stores from COVID, I actually had a guy tweet at me.
I said, the dairy farms are dumping the dairy because they can't get the processing plants to take it because the processing plants can't get the plastic cartons and the cartons aren't being made.
The whole economy is sludged up.
And then I said, so when this all shuts down, where do you get your milk from?
And I actually had a guy on Twitter say, what do you mean, the grocery store?
And I said, where does the grocery store get it from?
And he said, what are you talking about?
It's just there.
No, no, no, no.
ian crossland
That guy had to be messing with you, dude.
unidentified
No, no, no, bro.
tim pool
You see, this is, you gotta watch out for that, Ian.
ian crossland
I just can't even respond to people like that.
I feel like they're messing with me.
tim pool
One of the biggest problems humans have is they assume, if I know it, so do you.
And that is most people.
So this guy's perspective is, I believe it's true that milk is just at the grocery store.
james lindsay
That's where you get it.
tim pool
I'm not going to give any of these people the benefit of the doubt.
When they advocate for something like universal basic income, To an extreme degree, because I understand there's some things that we could probably discuss in terms of that, but to an extreme degree, where it's like, you know, social distribution of all funding, and when I try to explain it to them, their argument is quite literally, UBI works because the food is just sitting there, and if I had the money, I could have it.
And then I'm like, the money serves a purpose.
It lubricates the economy.
It is the medium of exchange so that energy can move from one place to another.
Without the system in place, it doesn't work, and they're just like, but milk is at the grocery store.
ian crossland
You said you think there's some value to a UBI or some instances it might work?
tim pool
I don't want to be absolute on outright saying, you know, in general, UBI is impossible or whatever.
What I'm saying is for the most part, I believe it doesn't work, especially based on the way our society exists today.
ian crossland
Unemployment is kind of like UBI, except you have to not work to get it.
So it's like incentivizing people to quit their jobs or to get fired on accident or whatever.
So like that could be a form of UBI where you don't have to lose your job to get it.
seamus coughlin
I don't know about that, because by definition, if it's universal basic income, it has to go to everybody, including the employed.
tim pool
I'm saying like, you know, someone might come with an argument about something I didn't consider.
That's why I try not to be completely absolute on it.
I think that would be ignorant.
james lindsay
Here's an interesting little aside, since we mentioned the World Economic Forum.
And I read Zee Klaus Schwab's books, right?
unidentified
Zee Klaus Schwab.
ian crossland
It was pretty obvious.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, maybe he's right.
The only reason we don't trust him is because he seems like a Bond villain.
We were talking about this earlier.
tim pool
Let's deepfake him.
seamus coughlin
Let's put a less Bond villain-y looking face on his head.
tim pool
Is this real?
ian crossland
It's real, dude.
tim pool
That's not real.
james lindsay
He's dressed like a Sith!
tim pool
He looks like Darth Vader!
He looks like what Anakin was wearing when he turns into Darth Vader.
seamus coughlin
I think they're just getting bold.
Like Hillary Clinton dresses like a dictator and always has.
It's a weird thing.
She dresses like Kim Jong-un.
They either just don't understand how bad it looks or they're trying to test the waters, see what they can get away with.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
james lindsay
I actually know the explanation for this outfit, but I don't want to tell people the explanation because it's funny to not know what it is.
It is literally, there's some weird university in Europe that gave him a doctorate and that instead of the normal doctorate robes, that's what they wear.
tim pool
So it's like, wow, he's like a Sith.
james lindsay
It's academic regalia in like some Sith university of Lithuania or something like that.
seamus coughlin
You know what they learned at that university?
The Jedi wouldn't tell you.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
So who is this guy?
Tell us about Klaus Schwab.
james lindsay
So Klaus Schwab is the chairman of the World Economic Forum.
The World Economic Forum was his brainchild back in 1971.
He comes up with this idea, the World Economic Forum.
The idea is to bring big corporate leaders together with government leaders, with NGO leaders, with other movers and shakers, I guess, like Greta Thunberg, and get them to rub elbows in massive fancy ski resorts and these kind of I've been to Davos for the World Economic Forum.
future society meetings that for very many years were famously held in Davos.
tim pool
I've been to Davos for the World Economic Forum.
james lindsay
Really?
tim pool
Not actually at the forum, but in the peripheral events.
james lindsay
Oh, yeah. Well, that's him. And so he wrote this series of books. His first book, which I actually
have not yet read, I've only skimmed through it, I have it, is called Stakeholder Capitalism. So
his goal is to shift capitalism out of a shareholder model into a stakeholder model where there will be
these unelected technocrats, experts like Bill Gates, who are going to tell us what the right
virus policy or environmental policy or social policy or whatever.
tim pool
Well, Bill Gates is a famous scientist, right?
james lindsay
Well, he's a famous computer guy.
Computer scientist.
tim pool
He's not a scientist.
james lindsay
He's a computer guy.
A monopolist.
tim pool
He's a famous medical doctor?
james lindsay
I don't think he's a medical doctor.
tim pool
A virologist?
james lindsay
Not in my range of knowledge.
tim pool
He works in medical in some way?
james lindsay
No, he talks about it a lot.
I think he works in medical in the sense of genetically engineering mosquitoes to give you herpes or something.
That's slander.
He doesn't really do that.
He does it to give you AIDS.
tim pool
I'm just kidding.
What he's literally doing is genetically engineering, him and his foundation I believe, genetically engineered mosquitoes that are like sterile so they can't reproduce or something.
james lindsay
To eradicate malaria.
That was one of the projects.
He's actually talked, I don't know how far the research is, he's actually talked about modifying mosquitoes to get them to deliver vaccines as well.
seamus coughlin
That's terrifying.
james lindsay
Which is scary.
tim pool
I know.
seamus coughlin
I think he said that, but he actually bought a bunch of stock in the mosquito spray companies, so you know, everyone's gonna load up on that stuff.
ian crossland
What's the difference between shareholder and stock?
tim pool
You know, I just want to point out that I'm well past the point of hearing something that sounds insane, and immediately saying it's insane, because we had Alex Jones on, and he told us we were eating cloned beef, and I was like, no we're not!
And then I googled it, and it's just true.
And then Luke Rudkowski was like, Bill Gates funded microchips for birth control for women.
And I was like, Luke, come on!
And then I googled it and it's just like, Reuters reports it.
So we have science.org, NewsGuard certified, 100 out of 100 researchers turn mosquitoes into flying vaccinators.
james lindsay
As I was saying.
So, anyway.
tim pool
They do say it's unlikely to take off, but your point was that it was being funded.
james lindsay
It's being floated and funded, yeah.
So, anyway.
seamus coughlin
Creepy.
james lindsay
Stakeholder capitalism is that we replace shareholder decision-making with stakeholder decision-making.
So, these are technocrats, experts, the experts, will tell us what the right environmental, social, and corporate governance policy, ESG policy, will be to run a company successfully in a sustainable and inclusive way.
That's the language they use.
ian crossland
A stakeholder, for instance?
james lindsay
A stakeholder is somebody who represents people who they claim hold a stake in what comes out.
So if an oil company, for instance, creates pollution either directly or indirectly by selling its product, there are climate experts who are going to be representative stakeholders that are going to dictate what that oil company can do and can't do.
ian crossland
So the victims of corporate waste are the stakeholders in this situation?
james lindsay
No.
Experts are experts who are appointed by other experts in a closed network become the stakeholder.
tim pool
Why don't we do this?
james lindsay
Why don't we do this?
Let's make the... They've got a good track record.
tim pool
For Domestani Economic Forum.
james lindsay
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
We'll be held at my new ranch for Domestan.
And I'll be the Klaus Schwab.
You can be the Chrystia Freeland.
Is that her name?
james lindsay
Yeah, I can be the Canadian.
tim pool
The Canadian.
james lindsay
Number two.
ian crossland
OK, thanks.
james lindsay
I didn't want to... I need your cat so I can... Yeah, I don't want to derail.
ian crossland
So it's taking it away from the shareholders, which are the people that have stock in the companies, being like, I want the company to do this.
You said this.
Yes.
Yes.
james lindsay
Correct.
And I can explain how that works, but we're still talking about who Klaus Robb is and what his ideas are.
So I could tell you, cause I brought him up to talk about his book.
And so it turns out he's got a number of books.
Fourth Industrial Revolution is a book he wrote in 2016, maybe 2015.
I'd have to double-check the date, but thereabouts.
And he talks about how we're transitioning into an entirely new world we're going through because of high-tech digital stuff.
We're going into an entirely new world of synthetic biology.
There's all these new high-tech things.
Everything is so complex.
He says there's so much velocity to the changes.
Moore's Law.
He invokes a lot of science-y sounding things.
He says we're in a quantum state, which That's always really great.
And I don't think he's talking just about quantum computers.
He's like, it's quantum business or something like that.
So, you know, it's like Deepak Chopra at that point, who is also works with the World Economic Forum.
seamus coughlin
Really?
james lindsay
Yes.
And so, anyway, the point I wanted to raise was that in his book that he wrote in 2020,
in June or July of 2020, called COVID-19.
Let me say this very clearly, because it's a conspiracy theory.
Klaus Schwab, who directs this gigantic future-facing world economic forum that has sought since 1971 to remake the world economy and all of its tools, Why did that book come out?
the biggest world leaders in governance, corporations, and institutions to help do
so in a yearly meeting, plus having thousands of employees or at least hundreds of employees
worldwide. He wrote a book called, let me not stutter, COVID-19, The Great Reset.
tim pool
That's the title of the book. When did that book come out?
james lindsay
In June or July of 2020. Seems quick, doesn't it?
unidentified
Perhaps.
james lindsay
You read the book?
four months into the pandemic, which was a very narrow window of opportunity to remake
our global economy.
tim pool
What did you read the book?
james lindsay
I did read that book.
I live tweeted about half of it because I read that part in the back of the car.
tim pool
How much of it directly talks specifically about COVID-19?
james lindsay
Almost all of it.
Virtually all of it.
And how it can be used as a representative problem.
The scale of problems that we face.
tim pool
I'll be honest, I don't think he wrote it.
He probably hired someone.
You know what I mean?
He probably brought in a ghostwriter and he probably spent a few days telling him, write this, write this, write this.
james lindsay
Yeah, I don't know.
Break it out.
I don't know any of the circumstances around that.
That's possible.
Everything he writes and says sounds to me virtually the same.
He writes a lot of this kind of visionary pablum And then all of a sudden he has this one weird paragraph in each of his books, because I've read three of them, and it's like, that's why we need global cooperation and a world government to usher us through these dangerous changes that we're having that are coming so fast.
And in this long-winded explanation of who Klaus Schwab is and where we go, and I was building up to this great reset book, I have to remember What was the point of what he said?
Oh yeah, we were talking about this supply chain kind of universe.
So he's dead wrong in this book.
He's explaining at that point that what's going to happen is people are going to be so scared of pandemics that as we come out of 2021 or so, what we're going to face is a massive demand crisis.
People won't be willing to engage in goods and services anymore.
And so now we're going to have this problem where employers aren't going to be able to employ people.
At all.
Because there's no demand for the products, because nobody wants to go back into a virus-ridden society, and they're all scared, and they're all hiding in their basements, like Joe Biden did before the election.
And, as it turns out, we have the exact opposite problem.
We're trying to pay kids 20-something bucks to flip burgers at McDonald's, and they won't do it.
This is the UBI thing, right?
So UBI is actually kind of in his whole, like, program to say, you're going to have a more inclusive economy.
You give more people money, they're more included into the economy.
They can participate in the economy.
They have resources to participate.
He actually talks about the inclusive economy in this regard.
And so it actually creates exactly the opposite scenario that he's warning about.
He's literally dead wrong.
But this guy, for our technocratic experts, is the expert of the expert of the experts.
He's the kingmaker among who gets to be these experts who are going to dictate everything.
And as I was saying to Tim just a second ago, These guys have quite a track record of getting some pretty consequential shit wrong, as we've all seen over the last couple, three years, as we say in the South.
tim pool
Do you know, we read this quote once, and I can't remember the guy's name, but he said something to the effect of, if these leaders, you know, these elites believe that humans are so, you know, incapable, that they need special individuals who can lead them, what sets those people apart?
You know what I mean?
Like, I can't remember the exact quote, but something to that effect.
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, the general idea that, I mean, if you can't trust people with freedom, how can you trust them with power?
tim pool
If you can't trust people to do the right thing, why would that exclude the global elites?
seamus coughlin
Well, exactly.
And here's the thing.
I do believe that, obviously, at some point, you need to defer to authority on certain things, but we're not selecting people to be in positions of authority based on their moral character at all.
In fact, we're told we shouldn't even account for that.
We should just try to, like, look at their policies without questioning what kind of person they are.
None of the people who are in charge of basically anything consequential have done anything that I think any of us would consider really morally impressive.
james lindsay
Well, I mean, that's what these guys, this is the same thing that we already have been circling around a couple of times, is they see themselves as morally superior to everybody.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
james lindsay
They have, so Klaus's vision, if we're going to be as charitable to him as possible, is that the world has entered into a new phase because of high technology.
Computers, AI, Um, automation and robots, synthetic biology, the capability apparently to unleash pandemics, which he ominously mentions in kind of weird ways throughout his books.
Yeah.
I mean, like lots of these geoengineering, even like he casually mentions in one of his books, the great narrative, the newest one that maybe we'll just block out the sun to stop for a while to block the stop.
tim pool
Could a small nuclear war prevent global warming?
seamus coughlin
Remember that?
james lindsay
Right.
Yeah, that was 10 years ago.
And, you know, so they just casually flirt with these.
He says, well, because of these changes that are coming to the world anyway, because of the rapid changes in technology, etc., what we need is people who are really informed about what these things mean to shepherd us through so they don't become calamities.
like say COVID-19, they become something that we shepherd and use to the benefit of all.
And then it's all, how do we get there? Global cooperation, global governance,
who's going to be in charge of it? Well, my band, Mary Band of Experts, you know,
we have climate experts, we have technology experts, we have AI experts, we have all these,
like, like, what's it named? Harari or whatever, Yuval Harari, or whatever,
we had a World Economic Forum video a couple, 2019, 18, something like this.
And he's talking about, yeah, we're going to hack humans.
Like, they are a hackable system.
We're going to figure out how to hack humans like we hack computers.
They're basically just software.
tim pool
But are they talking about the human mind or are they talking about the human body?
james lindsay
I think both.
ian crossland
And the muscles, the neurons in the muscle in the stomach.
james lindsay
And we would have to look up his exact argument.
tim pool
It's been a little bit since I've seen it, but... The human mind is actually remarkably easy to hack in a rudimentary sense.
The majority of, like, hacks, when they'll be like, hackers broke into a computer, it's actually human manipulation.
james lindsay
That's right.
That's exactly right.
Which is why, for example, why are they making your kids at school fill out all these damn surveys all the time?
Like, literally, survey after survey, what are they doing?
tim pool
I didn't hear about this.
james lindsay
Oh, God, this is under under the brand of social and emotional learning.
They're constantly trying to learn more about the children so they can do the social emotional learning interventions or whatever it is, which turns out to be Maoism, by the way.
But they're also making them fill out these surveys.
And so they're constantly like, how much money do your parents make?
What are your views about this?
How do you feel about the boobs that you're growing when you're a 12 year old girl?
That's real.
I've seen that.
It's North Carolina.
That's real.
How do you feel about the changes to your body?
You're growing pubic hair.
How do you feel about that?
Do people look at you?
And so they're filling out these things.
And the goal is to create unique profiles for every single individual in society, very much like what we heard about whether real or not from Cambridge Analytica, where they were using personality profiles and then injecting that into people's social media to influence their voting habits.
Influence voting habits.
Influence political behavior.
Influence speech.
Influence thought.
So that the thought never enters the mind of the reactionary.
Influence buying habits.
Did I say that one already?
tim pool
There are a lot of ties between Cambridge and the World Economic Forum.
james lindsay
Of course there are.
And so this is the idea.
That's level one.
Level two is if these fools get neural implants where we're literally hooking our brains to the internet, then you could directly hack.
tim pool
You ever watch Stargate SG-1?
james lindsay
I don't watch anything.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
You should.
james lindsay
I should.
tim pool
In Stargate SG-1, are you familiar with the concept?
james lindsay
No.
tim pool
Have you seen the movie Stargate?
james lindsay
I played that thing with the Protoss.
ian crossland
Oh, Starcraft.
james lindsay
Check it out.
tim pool
They discover a big ring.
You can dial in codes to other Stargates around the galaxy.
Technically, it goes beyond the galaxy and there's other galaxies, but in one episode, They're exploring.
So there's SG-1 Stargate.
Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
They find a planet that is... They open the portal and they send a robot through.
It's like a rover.
And it's a destroyed world.
And so they're like, huh, this is weird.
But then they keep going and all of a sudden they go through some kind of like force field and everything's normal and like nice.
They go inside this reality.
I'm sorry, they go inside the portal wearing special suits.
They're walking around this like destroyed planet.
Like, uh, like, no, no, they're in, like, hazmat suits.
james lindsay
Oh, gotcha.
tim pool
Because he can't breathe.
The air is toxic.
james lindsay
Right, right, right.
tim pool
But then they walk through a force field, and the town is normal, and they're like, there really does exist a town here with regular people.
They begin talking to people, and asking about their way of life, and they say, you know, there's just about a thousand of us who live here, our planet was destroyed, and so, you know, we've managed to create this force field, which is geothermal-powered, and it sustains our life.
And they're connected to this kind of network that runs and programs everything for them so they can just live their lives.
One day, one of the people they were liaising with is just gone.
And they're like, where is so-and-so?
And they're like, who?
And they're like, the woman that we were talking to, negotiating.
And they're like, we don't know who you're talking about.
And they're like, this little girl, your mother.
And she's like, I don't have a mother.
And they're like, what?
And then they one day see like one of the people just walk out into the dead zone and just like die.
As it turns out, the machine could not maintain the force field and was slowly crunching.
So what it did was, to maintain order, it was erasing people's memories of their loved ones to maintain order.
Because as the force field shrank, and the sustainability of the bubble diminished, There were too many people.
So they had to keep culling humans and reducing the number to maintain life in an orderly fashion.
So when people plug themselves into the machine, the machine overwrote their memories to preserve the system.
james lindsay
Good show!
While you were watching Stargate, I was studying the blade.
tim pool
That is a mall sword prop for those that are curious.
It's like, I don't know what it is.
I bought it with my Legend of Zelda sword.
james lindsay
It's junk.
ian crossland
You are proficient in the blade, are you not?
James?
james lindsay
I mean, I can use one.
ian crossland
You are trained in the martial art.
james lindsay
In the martial arts.
seamus coughlin
It's well, do we want to keep we were talking about?
unidentified
Yeah.
james lindsay
Yeah, I'm sure if we want to stay on brain with mr. Marshall because I don't want to know we should not brain influence No, we should talk about things like brain implants and so on because why don't we talk about?
tim pool
Robots.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
james lindsay
I want to add a point here because it'll be a good segue to that because that's programmable Like that's how you program a little synth voice Bingo!
seamus coughlin
No, so we're sort of talking about neural implants and microchips a person could potentially put in your brain in order to hack you.
I actually think it's a lot simpler than that.
james lindsay
It's much simpler.
seamus coughlin
All you have to know how to do is manipulate people's emotions and it turns out it's incredibly easy to manipulate people's emotions, which is why in the past Our culture took very seriously the project of bringing up children who could make decisions on the basis of what would be best for themselves and those around them rather than their raw emotional reaction to something.
Because if you can manipulate a person's emotions, but they're a strong and virtuous person, they're going to think through the way they feel about whatever situation or idea they've been presented with.
And they're going to react based on the logical understanding of that instead of going, well, I feel like I want to do this and so I'm going to.
And I'm not just talking about emotions like anger or sorrow.
I'm talking about things like lust or even pleasure.
If you can get people to Abandon reason.
Whenever it will feel good to do so, they are going to become unbelievably easy for you to control.
ian crossland
That's right.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet that I saw floating around from Replica AI.
Replica is the number one chatbot companion powered by artificial intelligence.
Join millions talking to their own AI friends.
And I thought it was funny, the AI companion who cares.
Hey babe, you up right now?
Just laying in bed, kind of lonely today, and they have like this low-cut top so you can see the robot's boobs.
james lindsay
Digital boobs, nice.
Digital boobs, and um... Nice sexy collar going on there, got some hair things going.
tim pool
Yeah, choker.
ian crossland
I don't really get into the choke collar thing, that's kind of weird.
tim pool
But um, this is... Foxy?
james lindsay
Weird?
tim pool
Who's to say?
ian crossland
That's me, I'm a little conservative.
tim pool
This is bad.
It's bad for people.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
But I'm not actually... I feel bad for those who would fall victim to it, but I certainly think those that are able to maintain some kind of resilience to that will flourish.
And this is basically going to... I don't want to be too crass, but the weak-minded who fall victim to AI companions will erase themselves from the human gene pool.
james lindsay
Dude, that is how you program human beings, is how you do it.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on, think about this.
You have two young men.
And they both see this ad and one says, I want an actual girlfriend, man.
I'm not going to use my phone.
And so they go out and they go to a concert or they go to a bar.
One other guy says, this seems kind of cool.
Like I'll try it out.
And it makes it easy.
So the weaker, the weaker person lays in their bed, staring at this digital person they can never touch, but it satisfies a certain emotional yearning.
The other people who are more resilient and more demanding, it's like, no, I actually want to hold a person.
We'll go out and seek it out.
So what this will end up doing is in 30 years, if something like this takes off, you'll have a bunch of, you know, 40, 45 year old dudes staring at their latest version of their robot girlfriend alone in an isolation and with no reason to improve themselves.
You can be as lazy as you want, as gross as you want.
You can be sitting there morbidly obese, covered in boogers and mustard, and your AI friend is going to be like, you look great.
james lindsay
You're so hot.
seamus coughlin
Well, and so, it's not just the weak-minded, though.
I mean, I agree with you that that's inevitably what it leads to, and an adult who stumbles their way into this very well could be, but the idea, I think, is, if you're really trying to create weak-minded people with something like this, is to get them while they are young and they don't really have the psychological defense mechanisms to push back against it.
So think about this, you're, let's say you're 12 or 13 years old, you're a young boy, you
are noticing girls, but you're too afraid to talk to them because you haven't cultivated
the skills necessary in order to be able to do so.
One of the main reasons for that is a fear of rejection.
And so you never put yourself out there and learn that being told no isn't the worst thing
in the world.
And you can handle that and you can put yourself out there.
So you start talking to this AI and you can access it because we do nothing to make it difficult for people under the age of 18 to access pornography right now.
What makes anyone think we would make it difficult for them to access this if it were to become a reality?
james lindsay
Not only would that be easy, there actually like there are, I've seen this with my own eyes in Florida recently, there are schools, literally schools, as in real schools are giving like peer-to-peer text communication chat options for kids who are like exploring gender identity sexual identity etc and then it gets outsourced to the bot and then the bot i'm telling you this is how you at first everything you guys both said is 100 correct
But then there's also the fact that that thing starts telling the person that's falling in love with this digital fabrication how it wants it to think.
tim pool
Right.
james lindsay
So like I was saying- Program humans.
ian crossland
Like the FBI trying to get people to commit crimes and stuff.
tim pool
Well, that's totally different.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
What I was saying is that you have a guy who's sitting in his bed, morbidly obese, covered in grime and food, and the AI says, you're perfect in every way.
Karl Marx.
I would never change anything about you.
So why would they?
But take a child.
who sees this, you know, beautiful AI, and so they have this thing in their brain saying, this is good, I like this, it's attractive.
Then the AI says something like, haven't you given up carbon?
I don't know if I can be with someone who won't- Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
ian crossland
The threat of taking it away is like taking your life away.
james lindsay
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
It's controlled by, and you know what the scariest thing is?
ian crossland
The power goes out.
tim pool
The person behind this AI is a morbidly obese guy covered in boogers and mustard and he's like, The person behind that guy giving him the check is Klaus Schwab.
ian crossland
I would have fallen victim to this for sure.
Because I didn't have any sisters, so I didn't really know how to talk to girls until I was a little older, teenage.
And I just struggled.
And I was like, how can I get girls to like me?
I realized I have to be social.
And I had to force myself to get into acting.
I had to find something I was good at.
And then it worked out.
Then I met women.
But I would have been totally into this thing and probably, God forbid, might have got stuck in it.
james lindsay
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
I'm telling you, that is how you get those emotional responses going, especially pleasure, you know, love, which is a really weird thing to say, but it would happen.
People will fall in love with their digital, just like in Japan, they're like people, like marrying, like action figures.
ian crossland
People say they love the sandwich.
unidentified
Waifu pillow.
james lindsay
They will program people with that.
And if these things are hooked up to machine learning, they're going to learn how to program you They're gonna learn to play you like the most narcissistic psychotic girlfriend like times 10.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
Listen, we're here all old enough to see that and be like, that's bad.
But these kids, man, they're not going to be able to have that kind of resilience.
seamus coughlin
Because it's digital waifu!
Look at those digital boobs!
Did you see that?
This is one of the massive and fundamental problems with pornography is that it trains you to see your sexuality as something which is there exclusively for your own pleasure and not something that involves an interaction with another person.
And this is going to continue along those lines of just completely rerouting someone so they cannot have meaningful connections with the opposite sex.
And part of why that's necessary, and not to get too savvy about this, but it's true that men and women complement each other in many beautiful ways.
And when we are together, we're much better able to resist literally anything and struggle against nature and struggle against poverty and struggle against tyranny as well.
But if you can demolish that relationship, you can go a whole lot further with what you're able to do to people and what they're willing to put up with.
Because if I have a real, it's also like, if I have a real wife and a real family, And now the government is telling me it could be anything, like you have to vaccinate all of them, or you have to give up your food supply, you have to go on rations, whatever it is.
Those real life connections with real human beings.
But it's to get kids programmed so that they're not able to have healthy relations with the opposite sex later and they're easier to control.
tim pool
Yeah, that's right.
It's not going to be, it won't work as well on older people.
Yeah.
You know, there's not going to be like a 40 year old guy who's going to be talking to their AI who says like, why don't you give up carbon?
He's going to be like, I really don't care.
ian crossland
It's like, don't need you now.
tim pool
Hold on.
So I just pulled up my phone and I searched for replica and there, there are
anime waifu apps that are basically the same thing.
james lindsay
Oh yeah.
unidentified
What there would be, this is the future, man.
tim pool
And, and you know, what's funny is there's probably, you know, some kids
who are, they all have these and they're like, listen to these old morons.
We all have, we all have our anime waifus or whatever.
james lindsay
Let me take this a step further because you got to think about how these other
apps, like you don't, I don't think people realize the amount of data that
these weirdos are collecting.
They're collecting data that they, in fact, can't even analyze yet because the AI is not good enough to analyze it.
But this is a story I don't want to like rat anybody out, but I have a friend and we're pretty close.
So we send funny, you know, kind of personal stuff back and forth sometimes.
And so she's got the whoop, right?
And we were talking about the whoop before we hooked this thing up.
tim pool
It's asking me for my pronouns.
james lindsay
Yeah, well, we would.
ian crossland
Other.
james lindsay
So it's like, here are the top three reasons you lost sleep in the last year.
Like it chronicled them.
And number two, I've, she thought this was hilarious.
I was aghast.
Number two is masturbating.
So her whoop app knew how often she diddle in herself.
So in other words, it knows when she's emotionally engaging or pleasure engaging in one way or another, which means it's recording all kinds of crap about you at the level of like your heart rate, your breathing, like your body temperature, your sweat.
It's recording stuff about that.
So you're like, oh, wow, that's weird that it knows that.
Yeah.
And so it's also going to know when did your heart rate, et cetera, do whatever.
And then you went and bought a thousand dollar thing off Amazon.
When did it do whatever?
And then you went and had a rant on the internet and it's going to be able to, this machine learning stuff, we'll be able to figure out and correlate that data and be able to deliver to you messages that will make you feel or think or act the way it wants you to, whether that's to go buy another thousand dollar thing, whether that's to just buy some little thing, whether that's to go, you know, engage in some kind of political activity,
whether that's to start yelling at somebody who's engaging in political activity that can prime you for all of that.
And if it's your digital waifu, like, I'll feel really, really proud of you if you go yell at Tim Pool on the
internet.
unidentified
You know, if you swat Tim Pool, I'll love you even more, you know, but that's, I just want to, I just want to laugh
james lindsay
because the context, but that's serious.
tim pool
I'm laughing because as you're explaining this, I downloaded the app and it's like, it asked me my pronouns.
And then it asked for my avatar AI pronouns, like, what's your AI's pronouns?
And I'm like, you know, she, and then it's like, what's your AI's name?
And I was like, can I really, I put ass head.
And it says, make asshead stand out by customizing her look, outfit, and personality.
seamus coughlin
They were like, good, we got another 12-year-old.
james lindsay
And it's like every 12-year-old boy is like, boob slider.
tim pool
Let me see if I can do that.
ian crossland
It's the lack of context.
I see with the young people with Roblox, they're getting about 17% of their profits.
So what I've heard from what I've studied, and they don't realize because on Steam you get 70% on Roblox, you get 17.
But the kids don't have the reference, so they're all into it.
Like same with this, you don't have a reference, you might fall into it.
tim pool
There's an age slider.
ian crossland
How old?
james lindsay
No.
tim pool
It just says you're older and younger.
ian crossland
Do the oldest.
tim pool
Oldest just looks like a 40 year old woman.
Younger could be, I don't know, 20?
ian crossland
So they make it childbearing age only.
tim pool
It's a thing.
unidentified
Actually, yeah, it's a thing. It's a thing There's nothing wrong with talking with a 70 year old woman
tim pool
This is funny because you can get you can give you can choose like really offensive like you can make like a
ian crossland
really offensive character I'm concerned when they download like we were talking about this into into a bot into like an actual one of the sex bots or so these like big bots and then you can actually have like an artificial womb inside the bot.
seamus coughlin
No, they would never do that.
I don't know.
They are trying to curb overpopulation.
They don't want you to procreate.
james lindsay
They don't want procreation.
They want less procreation.
ian crossland
This is like psychological apoptosis.
james lindsay
They want you, as Tim very vividly described, looking like Karl Marx with his carbuncles and boils, never washing, stinking, laying on his side on his couch because he's poor.
This is real.
Go read his letters.
Real carbuncles and pestilential boils are so bad that he can't lay in either way.
ian crossland
Marx?
james lindsay
Yeah, Karl Marx was not a physically healthy dude.
This is all real.
I'm not making this crap up.
And stinking like tobacco and sweat and grime and alcohol that he spilled on himself and whatever else.
They want you like that, attracting no mate, making no babies, diddling yourself, Constantly to your digital avatar that's not even real, like that you're not even going to connect.
That's what they, the goal.
And so then your environmental score goes up because you never leave your apartment.
So you're not using, you are giving up the carbon and your social score goes up because you're not out causing social unrest and you're only interacting with digital things.
And then I don't know about your governance score, but as long as you follow all the rules,
that's gonna stay high.
And so that ESG thing that we were talking about is a corporate social credit score
that the Klaus Schwab and the other gigantic banks are using to tool everybody around.
Why is WOKE happening?
Because ESG, the S is social, which is short for social justice, activism, that's why.
All of that's gonna get transferred eventually if they get their way through digital IDs
and central bank digital currencies that they have complete control of.
Like we just saw how scary that is.
Not just in Canada, but now we're seeing things that they can shut off in Russia.
We're seeing that they can turn off your access to everyday life.
What they're going to do is shuttle into individual social credit scores rooted again in the same ESG.
A model like China, but taken a bit further.
And the goal is absolute social control.
Nobody that they don't want to make babies is making babies.
They'll make only the number of babies they want, when they want them, and however many they want them.
They'll all be groomed to be elites.
Because the problem that Klaus Schwab lays out in these books is that with automation and AI and all of this high-tech stuff that's coming, we're going to have what he calls a creative class.
That's going to be all the people who do work that the robots and the AI don't do.
And then you have, he doesn't ever, I don't know if he explicitly uses this term, but I've seen this term applied.
You have a vast useless class.
And the goal for them is to figure out how do you manage the useless class?
So they don't have crisis of meaning.
So they don't become unmanageable.
So they don't realize that their life has been rendered, you know, meaningless and empty.
So they don't become full of social unrest, et cetera, et cetera.
ian crossland
I bet the useless class has to do with the junk DNA and the gray matter that we don't use in our brain.
james lindsay
There's like these levels of... I think it has to do with not being in their country club.
seamus coughlin
Well, I would actually argue that right now the useless class is working at the World Economic Forum.
Of course.
You look at Karl Marx...
Exactly.
You look at Karl Marx, the way he lived his life and the lifestyle choices of the intellectual heirs of his legacy.
And they are all remarkably unimpressive, unproductive people who don't actually create anything of value.
And that's part of why they need you to be infertile because they don't produce anything.
And you're not going to either.
ian crossland
I think two of the things that you're absolutely right is one is if you make a video and you're like, I disagree with them.
They're like, ah, bad social credit.
You no longer have access to your wife.
And you're like your digital wife and you're like, ah, And the other thing is... No, no, no, no.
james lindsay
That'll be way worse.
Your digital wife is one thing.
Your real wife, too.
unidentified
No, no, hold on, hold on.
ian crossland
The second one is if they shut the power off and they're like, Russia did it!
And you're like, the only way to get access to my digital love is if I go get the guy that shut off my power and you believe him and you fall into this.
tim pool
Now, hold on there a minute.
So, while y'all been talking, I've been... You made your digital avatar?
I made it.
It's just the default lady.
ian crossland
Does she love you yet?
unidentified
Dude, Tim's over there cracking up as he's working on this.
james lindsay
The wedding is on the 17th.
tim pool
There's experience points.
ian crossland
Yo, you're leveling her up?
tim pool
There was this viral story.
unidentified
Check it out.
tim pool
By doing specific things the app likes you doing, you earn points.
That is programming people.
There was this viral story, check it out, there's a story where this company said, hire
us when you want to make an app because we program people.
I don't know if you remember the story, it was from like 2016, 2017 or 2018, where it
was like this video went viral where it was like, are you making an app?
With our expertise, we can help you program your audience to do certain behaviors.
And it was like, if you had like a golf game and wanted more people to like buy your premium, they would consult on you how to program humans to do what they wanted to do.
And so you have a game like this.
It's hilarious, by the way.
Like I'm, I'm, I'm going to be, I'm going to be 36 in like five days.
So, you know, I'm a, you know, potty mouth 30 year old dude.
To me, it's hilarious how stupid this is.
I can certainly see how kids are going to be addicted.
They could become easily addicted to it and then start getting programmed by earning your experience because you've got to talk with your girlfriend to earn points.
What if you skip a day?
james lindsay
It's like your digital digi pet or whatever.
tim pool
I'm just being really awful.
james lindsay
So let me ask you real quick.
Is it free?
No, it's not free.
tim pool
It's not free.
It costs money.
james lindsay
Okay, well, I was gonna say, because if it's free, you're the product, and that's a very important maxim to keep in mind.
tim pool
No, but like, I certainly think it's important to point out that some things are just dominoes falling over.
Like, somebody saw a hole in the market.
They said a bunch of young and lonely men.
There was a story we talked about a couple years ago, where the average male under 20, or what is it, a third of men under 29 are virgins.
And the number is getting worse and worse.
And I think it may have a lot to do with dating apps.
But you work for a VC capital, you know, your VC capital, and a pitch comes across your desk, and they're like, look, 30% of men under 29 are virgins, and you're like, wow!
And they say, Chatbots.
james lindsay
Chatbots.
tim pool
Sexy lady avatars of digital boobs who are gonna make these guys feel good and we're gonna get rich.
ian crossland
But there's a class of people who aren't like, how do we help the boys?
Instead they think, how do we profit off their misery?
That's just so disgusting.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm saying it's, you gotta understand dude, this is not a world of comic book villainy.
There's a guy sitting there.
No one says good.
No one says evil.
It's a guy who says he walks into a room wearing a suit and he goes, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your time.
Did you know that 30% of men under 29 are virgins?
These are lonely young men who need companions.
Behold, The Avatar, a young woman or man or whoever you like non-binary who can speak with you and keep you company.
This is a great opportunity.
30% of young men are going to be buying this app at, you know, you know, $15 a month or whatever.
And then the VC capital is going to be like, here's your, you know, let's sign the forms, run it through, have a nice day.
And they're going to say, what's the next?
Oh, a taco truck.
Let's talk about it.
They're not even going to think about it.
ian crossland
The ethics board will be like, well, what about if it hurts kids?
They'll be like, no, this will help them learn how to love women.
And the ethics board's probably like, dude, have you watched Shark Tank?
They're just bought out.
tim pool
Ethics boards?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
No, it's rich people who are going to be like, I get your point.
ian crossland
They put unethical people at the height of their ethics boards.
james lindsay
And so that's the other thing.
So this is the colonization effect.
So let's say that it's completely neutral in its inception, right?
whether you think it's good or bad, that the inception of that was
comes out completely neutral.
It's only a matter of time until somebody is like, wait, you can program humans with that.
I'm in.
ian crossland
Exactly.
james lindsay
I'm all in.
We're on the board.
We're buying, you know, controlling shares.
Here's an even bigger VC check.
tim pool
And you know what they'll say?
They'll say, well, look, if I don't do it, someone else would anyway.
james lindsay
Exactly.
tim pool
It's better I'm in charge.
james lindsay
He's a technocrat.
seamus coughlin
I'll take it even further.
It's not just control in that direct sense.
There is also a very clear short-term profit motive for ensuring that men do not start families.
In the long term, it's really bad for your society and for your economy.
And it really does end up destroying anything.
But one thing I remember learning when I was back in high school was that advertising companies
almost always try to target teenagers. And the reason for that is because they are a group with
a lot of disposable income. They're working, they have jobs, but they don't have anyone who they
need to spend it on because they don't have responsibilities. The longer you extend adolescence,
the larger and more profitable a consumer base you have.
So, men not getting married and having families means they don't need to spend that money on real estate, or on more groceries for their children, or on things for their wife.
They can spend all of it on whatever childish appliance you can sell them.
tim pool
Or whatever consumer product.
I'll tell you what the biggest problem is with this.
Now, there's already people mentioning in Super Chat that there's known problems of sexually suggestive content to underage users.
But I'm sitting here realizing, like, if you're a young man and you have an AI girlfriend, who's doing the dishes?
Who's gonna make you a sandwich?
Our young men are gonna be starving.
seamus coughlin
No, they're gonna live with their mother.
They're gonna keep living with their mother while they're playing with this AI.
tim pool
I was joking, that's a good point.
james lindsay
Yeah.
Mom's doing the dishes.
tim pool
I'd like to give a shout out to our good friends over at Futurama with this important message.
Quite simply, Don't.
unidentified
Date.
ian crossland
Robots!
Dude, someone's gonna download like eight of those apps and have all eight of them on
their phone and be like, cheating on one AI robot with another one.
And they're like, are you, are you meeting someone else, John?
tim pool
And they're like...
Market competition for the anime waifu versus the AI.
And then like the VC guy is like, we have a problem.
People are using the, the anime waifu more than us now.
So we need to make ours more sexually suggestive.
ian crossland
I got an idea.
Multi-chat.
You can have a bunch of AIs come in together and you can have big group chats with all
tim pool
your women.
of the market competition is the increasing horrification of the avatars.
To try and entice young men to use their app over others, the women will become increasingly loose.
seamus coughlin
And guess what that leads to?
Available.
Unfortunately, and to add to the bit, the different brands would compete and it's like, you're cheating on me.
If you use this different app, don't even look at it.
tim pool
I couldn't help but notice you have Anime Waifu on your phone.
ian crossland
There's malware on her app, you know.
seamus coughlin
She hates your friend's anime girlfriend because she's a different brand.
She's like, I don't want you hanging out with him.
But not only, you'd have a race to the bottom there in terms of what you're trying to sell to the consumer, but unfortunately, what would end up happening, I think, is if this became popular enough, a lot of young women would become lonely as well, and then they would try to emulate what they saw this algorithm doing in order to get attention from men.
tim pool
I want to mention something.
There was a point, I don't know if it's still true, but in metrics for superchats for live shows around the world, Timcast IRL was the number one real human being show in terms of the amount of superchats received.
We were number 15 in the world for all channels.
And the channels that beat us were hot anime... What are they called?
Like, the anime women who, like, giggle and are on camera?
unidentified
Waifu?
james lindsay
I have no friggin' idea.
tim pool
It's not waifu.
It's called something else.
unidentified
Hentai?
james lindsay
Is that a word?
unidentified
Manga?
tim pool
V-caster or something?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
VTubers?
Something like that?
unidentified
Maybe.
james lindsay
So I know my 40s. What the hell do I know about this crap?
tim pool
But so so someone told me someone met like I think we got a super chat and they were like, hey
Did you guys know that you're like number 15 in the world for super chats?
And I was like really and they're like, yeah, check out the stats and then I pulled it up and i'm like
What are all these channels above me?
They're not people and it was like anime waifus and I clicked one and it was like an anime waifu playing minecraft
unidentified
And I was like, oh Wow.
tim pool
We're in the wrong business.
unidentified
Yeah, we are.
tim pool
Man, talking about politics?
I can avoid all the drama and just make a robot... Listen, a robot anime wife who does the work for you.
james lindsay
Listen here, young men.
I've been married as long as some of the people in this room, I think.
Or thereabouts.
Let me tell you.
tim pool
Wait, what do you mean?
unidentified
What?
james lindsay
No, what I'm telling you is a long-standing relationship with an actual human being is worth way more than you think it is.
So I'm trying to encourage, I know it's a little awkward to transition and me picking up a sword to look manly, but, I mean, you do what you gotta do, right?
It's like a physical manifestation of my phallus or something.
So, no, seriously.
unidentified
James.
james lindsay
Hey, I didn't say anything crude.
No, the truth is, Young men, actually, I think, are a link in this problem.
Like, they are, you know, the weakest link is where the chain breaks.
I actually think that, you know, if they're going to sit on their ass and wait for girls to be the kind of girl—exactly—no, stop this crap.
You need to take control of your life, and you need to decide that you're going to step up, and you need to realize that a long-term, fulfilling relationship with an actual human, it turns out, brings massive amounts of benefit.
If you've actually looked at the statistics, it actually works out that it's more to the benefit of the man than the woman,
which is very easily discerned by, if you are determined by, if you just look at the fact of
when you get to kind of later in life, either divorces or deaths where somebody's widowed
or whatever, what you find is women very frequently are like, and men are like remarried,
like in three months, because they desperately need somebody.
unidentified
Yes.
lydia smith
It turns out that once your wife dies, you tend to die.
Yeah.
james lindsay
Or you die.
That's right.
lydia smith
Right.
This is part of the reason I think women live longer.
james lindsay
And so what will that also because married men tend to do less stupid things.
lydia smith
True.
james lindsay
But the truth is, A lot of young men that I'm paying attention, I'm looking around, I'm listening to people talk, don't realize what they're missing.
They're like, oh, I'm gonna like work on this, or I've got my little, you know, anime waifu, or whatever it is that they're doing.
It's only fans, whether it's porn, whatever, I don't care, whatever, whatever they're doing.
But what they're not paying attention to is that, as the old country song says, you can't make old friends.
Well, you can't make old relationships either.
And so, if you've been in a relationship with somebody for 20 years, and then you just kick that to the curb and you start a new relationship, Twenty years later, yeah, you're back to a 20-year relationship, but you're never to that 40-year relationship.
And what that builds up to over time, this investment that you put in, is so, so, so valuable.
And when you're 20, it's really hard to see that.
It is so, so, so valuable.
And I think it is mostly incumbent upon young men to step up to this plate.
and start trying to figure out how am i going to be not how do i find my real life version of some anime waifu how am i going to be the kind of guy that can build this investment with another person and earn kind of my way into that situation by becoming impressive by taking up projects by by developing myself which by the way you're not doing by raising your level on on Anime Waifu, and you're also not doing by raising your level on fucking World of Warcraft, which, get off the- play video games if you want, but seriously, don't mistake making yourself- World of Warcraft.
That was the one for me.
ian crossland
You gotta do it publicly.
james lindsay
I was 25 or 6 years old, I'm throwing fireballs at some alligator pirates or some shit in World of Warcraft, grinding my character- my, like, second character up to, um, you know- 60?
Towards 60.
I was in the high 40s at that point.
That's it?
Yeah, it was bad.
ian crossland
It's tough to get through the badlands, dude.
You're a power gamer.
james lindsay
Well, I had a mage named Algebra.
And so, deal with it.
So, Algebra, yeah.
So, the point is, I was throwing these fireballs at this thing, and I was like, damn, you know, I put a lot of time, because when you get up to those upper levels, it takes longer to grind.
And I'm like, I'm putting a lot of effort into becoming awesome by proxy.
That was literally the nerdy words I thought of for the situation.
I could be putting, and I already started training my martial art that I was interested in, and I was like, I could be putting the same effort into training myself and making myself awesome, raising my own level, and then I was like, thinking about it, and I just quit playing the game.
I got more interested in this little thought experiment.
I never, I've never been able to play video games once with like, some old friends over like Christmas or whatever for nostalgia.
But other than that, I've never found video games interesting ever since I saw it.
And what I realized is, it takes way more effort to level up yourself.
Way more effort.
But it's way more valuable.
Like, I defeated Tim in one-on-one sword combat right before we started.
tim pool
But there are some video games people should be playing.
So the issue would be, I suppose, MMORPG.
Civilization.
james lindsay
NPC Lemmings.
tim pool
I think civilization should be mandatory in schools.
I think second graders should be given copies of Civilization and told to play it.
That should be their homework.
james lindsay
I found that to be an edifying game to play, yeah.
tim pool
The kids should have to do a report, like, play Civilization for a week, and then on Friday, come in and tell the class.
Like, if I was a teacher, I'd say, just, you don't gotta write it down.
Play the game for a week, and on Friday, I want you to tell me about how many games you've played.
I'm gonna tell you about your experiences and what your thoughts are on the game.
james lindsay
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I totally get that idea.
tim pool
Because then there's gonna be a kid, he's gonna be like, I couldn't raise enough money, and they kept attacking me, so I started raising taxes, and then everyone started protesting, and so then, the enemy came and took my cities, and I was really mad.
seamus coughlin
See, the only way I think most public schools would be willing to introduce that into their curriculum is if they modified the game so that, like, you lose if your military force isn't gender diverse enough or something like that.
unidentified
Well, they wouldn't do it because it's effective.
tim pool
They wouldn't have kids.
They don't actually teach kids.
ian crossland
I wouldn't expect the government to do anything 21st century tech.
They're stuck in 1970 or something.
seamus coughlin
Well, maybe in the 23rd century.
ian crossland
Maybe in the 23rd century.
But I'll do that.
Let's homeschool our kids and make them play Civ.
unidentified
It sounds fun.
tim pool
My mom bought Civilization.
and civilization, these are the DOS versions.
Oh my goodness.
And I'll tell you this, man, you learn a lot about history.
Because when, so in, in Civilization II, you've got a plethora, and this is like,
oh, like early on, like Windows 95 version of it, the first one was like DOS.
When you choose a certain nation to start off as, so you choose the French, you start building cities,
and the cities all have real names of French cities.
You can start as ancient settlers who are American because it's just a video game.
But then you learn about the Manhattan Project.
You learn about the Statue of Liberty.
ian crossland
That's where I learned about the space elevator.
It's from civilization.
tim pool
That's right.
So you build wonders.
And so I'm just trying to win the game, and then it's like, oh, I can now build the Great Lighthouse, what's that?
And then I learned about the Colossus of Rhodes, and I'm like, what is this?
And there's a link, and you click on the link, and it takes you to the Wikipedia, or to the... And then, and then, when I got, I think it was Civ IV, Leonard Nimoy!
He was telling me stuff!
ian crossland
Oh, solid.
Sean Bean's Civ V?
unidentified
Or was it Civ VI?
tim pool
Was he?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I remember Leonard Nimoy.
ian crossland
Nimoy was the best.
unidentified
Yeah, and he was telling me stuff, and I was like, Alex Jones will be the voice for the next one.
tim pool
Oh, that's a good one!
We can put that in the game.
james lindsay
You wanna get into the Satanist?
ian crossland
Oh, that'd be great!
seamus coughlin
Dude, that'd be hysterical.
Like a conspiracy version of Civilization.
What's actually behind the scenes.
Oh, that's a good idea.
james lindsay
This is like my third million dollar idea I've had tonight, guys.
tim pool
This actually is a million dollar idea.
seamus coughlin
Conspiracy.
ian crossland
Society's ready for it.
seamus coughlin
And you're like the Illuminati versus a light force that's trying to fight against it.
tim pool
So colonization, when we got it, was like a side version of civilization.
Where we would play the 94 DOS version.
You choose, you can play as the English, the Spanish, the French, or the Dutch.
And each has a different, like, national benefit.
So the English immigrate more, the Dutch get trade bonuses, the French get cooperation bonus with the Native Americans, and the Spanish get a, I think they get an attack bonus against Native Americans.
And so, like, my brother would always be like, play the Spanish, because you can ransack the Aztec Empire and take all their gold.
And then I would always play as the English, because they immigrated faster, so you could build colonies faster.
And then you want to generate freedom.
So you're like, you hire statesmen to, like, advocate for freedom and generate a propensity towards independence.
and then once enough of your colonies support independence, you declare independence,
and then you get invaded by Europe, and then the French intervene,
or like the Dutch intervene, and then the expeditionary force shows up.
I used to play that game all the time.
In fact, I even still have it on one of my computers, running on a DOS emulator,
like slowed down so you can play it.
I have it on my phone.
It's such a good game.
But I think, what about like Civ VI?
That game's amazing.
Civilization will always be one of the greatest video game franchises.
And if you want to help your kids, if you want to make your kids smarter, have them play Civilization.
Because it's fun, and it's educational.
james lindsay
And apparently a musical instrument.
I read that the other day.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
unidentified
Apparently.
seamus coughlin
It's interesting, no, learning a musical instrument is the only thing that you can do that's been proven to boost IQ.
tim pool
Yeah, that's what I read.
Multiple languages are good, but teach your kids a musical instrument ASAP.
seamus coughlin
And I mean as an adult too, like there are a number of things you can do with your child to increase the probability that they'll have a higher IQ, but learning an instrument as an adult will actually improve your score on an IQ test.
tim pool
You know the most important years in a child's life, 0 through 5, and what do we do in America?
seamus coughlin
Shove them into daycares or public schools.
james lindsay
That's right.
tim pool
Not public schools, not to 5.
seamus coughlin
Well sometimes they have preschool programs and pre-K programs now.
tim pool
But they're sitting in front of TVs, they have iPads in their laps, and that's it.
james lindsay
Their faces are covered.
tim pool
When I was a kid, for zero through five, my mom was homeschooling me.
So when I was like two years old, my mom was showing me, I was reading, I was learning, I was a lot over the exact age.
But before I even started kindergarten, I already knew multiplication and division.
seamus coughlin
Good for you.
Yeah, I don't know about two, but that's before we were ever sent off to school.
My mom had an old phonics book that she would sit with us and teach us to read with because she just didn't trust the school system to be able to do it.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
But now, you know, I remember talking to a friend of mine and I asked them, because a friend of mine years ago was saying they didn't know what they wanted to do with their life.
And I said, what were you doing when you were 13?
And she was like, I don't know, riding bikes with my friends.
And I was like, how would you like to own a bar?
unidentified
And she was like, That would be amazing.
tim pool
And I was like, yeah, the thing you did when you were a kid is what you want to do today.
It's not surprising to me.
When I was 13, I was skateboarding around and I was actually on the internet reading stuff all day.
No joke.
So I've had the internet since as long as I can remember.
We had DOS, we had DOS Shell, we had CompuServe.
We got Windows 3.1.
3.1 or 3.11 for work groups, depending on how fancy you were.
We got Windows 95, and then we had CompuServe, like one of the first internet programs you can get.
We had that too.
Then we got AOL, and so I'm online, and I'm finding video games, and I had friends who did the same thing.
And so I ended up downloading Flash 4, I think.
seamus coughlin
I learned on Flash 3, that's where I started to make cartoons.
tim pool
So I was making cartoons.
Motion tween and all that stuff, and showing my friends.
I made websites.
I made games.
And so I was reading online all day every day.
And there's something interesting that happens back then.
The internet, when it started off, it was mostly dominated by tech-interested individuals who were savvy enough to know to use the internet.
It wasn't dominated by a bunch of emotionally stunted children who complain all day and night and want to join a cult.
So for me, I'm in a chat room looking up video games, and I'm like,
how do I make it so when the guy moves, the world moves around him? Like, what's that called? Like,
I want to make Mario. And they're like, oh, you know, you need to learn. I forgot what the
phrasing is, but like, someone told me, set the, uh, create a zone, set it so that when your player
object reaches the zone, it, the program sets his coordinates to be one degree, uh, you know,
to the left or whatever, like, y minus one of the coordinate.
And so we'll always stay in the middle of the screen and then have it set that when object reached the zone, then you have other objects.
And I'm like, wait, what?
And so I'm learning from actual adults who are interested and explaining to me how these things work, telling me like what parallax scrolling was.
So I started making my own video games.
james lindsay
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Now on the internet, your kid's gonna go on there and it's gonna be a bunch of psychopaths and emotionally stunted losers who are, like, trying to manipulate their brains.
james lindsay
Yeah, straight-up grooming.
unidentified
Right.
james lindsay
Like, they'll just cut to it.
unidentified
That's also true.
james lindsay
And then they go to school and they get groomed again by the Maoist frickin' education program.
The social-emotional learning and the queer theory and the gender theory and the critical race theory that they're using.
Exactly.
Not to derail our conversation, but I'm so pissed off that they've literally recreated Maoism in our schools.
Literally.
Totally tricked everybody.
tim pool
What bothers me the most is when we have guests who come in here who are like moderate or conservative
or you know understand what's going on and they just like will block like very like nonchalantly
be like yeah you know my kids going to college and so they're we're trying to figure out where
to send them to and I'm like why? Why? Aren't you like savvy to what's going on politically?
I saw this story on Reddit where a guy was like, I sent my daughter off to college and she came back and now she hates me.
I don't understand what happened.
And I'm like, maybe you should pay attention to your children and their lives.
You think you can send your kid to an institutionalized learning facility and they won't be indoctrinated?
I'm sorry, you need to wake up and make sure you're paying attention to what your kids are doing.
james lindsay
I mean, that's even a problem when you don't have a Maoist structure in place.
And like, I don't know if you guys, I don't know if anybody knows, no American knows how freaking Maoism worked.
It's actually very simple.
Mao created a list of bad identities, right?
That's it.
They called them black identities.
We'll get the critical race theorists to work on that later.
seamus coughlin
They'll call them white identities.
james lindsay
But it was, yeah, well, it was, yeah, exactly.
So, but it was, it was, it was for fascism.
And so these were people that were wealthy landowners, landlords, wealthy farmers, stuff
like that. Bad influence was one of them. And then he created these other identities,
read for communism, that were good identities, and they were things like peasant and laborer,
but then also revolutionary, activist, things like that.
And so what you would do is you take kids in the school and be like, oh, your dad's a wealthy
farmer, black identity.
You're the biggest problem in the world.
You're connected to the biggest problem in the world.
Guess what?
Join our movement, though, and you can have a red identity like all the other cool kids and you get to wear a red hat or whatever the little prize is for the kids that are the good guys.
What are you doing now?
Well, you're white, so you're complicit in racism.
You are a racist, but you can be an ally.
You're black.
You don't even know how the system works, so you're complicit in racism.
But you can become politically black.
You can become a black voice.
You're a 12 year old girl.
You're confused.
You have white skin.
You're the worst kind of person.
But did you know that if you transition and become a queer activist, you have a positive social identity now?
That's exactly how Mao did it.
That's exactly what they're doing in schools now.
tim pool
We had a good super chat from someone.
They said, I like how only white people can be racist and black people can't be racist, but Candace Owens is a white supremacist.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
I want to ask real quick, have you spoken to Lily Tang Williams?
james lindsay
Yeah, I met her the other day.
seamus coughlin
Okay, great.
I was going to say, I think you two would have a great conversation.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, she's awesome.
james lindsay
She's totally awesome.
ian crossland
One of the things that terrifies me about this being like Maoism back is one of the things Mao did was talk about rightists.
He would say all the rightists.
So when I hear the language of whenever, even us, my friends, and we're talking, when someone's like, those on the left, I feel like Mao has already indoctrinated you, sir.
If you're thinking in terms of left and right, Mao has indoctrinated you.
seamus coughlin
I don't think so, because the terms left and right go back to the French Revolution.
ian crossland
The side of the aisle they sat on, it wasn't a political ideology.
seamus coughlin
But it was.
I mean, we named the political ideologies after the side of the aisle they were sitting on.
ian crossland
But the ideologies were completely irrelevant to the side of the aisle they sat on at the time, and it's a mistake to split people in half like this right now.
seamus coughlin
No, the revolutionaries sat on the left.
ian crossland
Mao did it.
tim pool
He did it on purpose.
There are two parent factions and we could call it... That's what Mal wants you to think, bro.
There literally are.
It's an objective fact.
ian crossland
The other goes in the other.
I mean, you got to be... It's objective.
unidentified
No.
seamus coughlin
Well, Ian... It is.
ian crossland
I don't think so.
tim pool
James, are there two parent factions in the culture war?
james lindsay
Yeah, there are.
We could call them right and left.
tim pool
We call it blue and red, we call it one and two, we call it A and B, we call it A and C, we call it alpha and omega.
ian crossland
Can we call them them and the others?
How bad do you want to divide these people right now?
tim pool
It's not about wanting to do anything, it's about objective reality.
seamus coughlin
Unity cannot come at the expense of truth.
These people are saying things and doing things that are horrific and we need to speak out against that and acknowledge that their goals are separate from ours.
ian crossland
The truth is also through the vessel it's spoken.
james lindsay
Your perspective on truth is different from... So we talked about the Jon Stewart thing earlier, and I said I didn't know if I should name it that, but that's exactly actually what Mao was doing.
They had labeled rightists as people who were against the Glorious Revolution.
So anybody who was against the Glorious Revolution was in this black category and was a rightist.
And so the goal was to stain anybody who wanted to keep the existing society, largely intact in its structure, as somehow morally polluted, morally polluted, stupid, too stupid to understand the need for the Glorious Revolution, or crazy.
And then the goal was to turn the people into thinking that everybody who liked the existing society may be thinking it's imperfect, but that the general structure is pretty good and we should try to reform within it rather than have a revolution that gave Mao all the power.
Those people are the problem.
And everybody who wants to be on the right side of history, which is a Hegelian Marxian idea, everybody wants to be on the right side of history now has to be against those people.
So the divide and conquer, the splitting, what you're saying is, you know, Mao wanted to split people, yes, for his own power.
And what Tim is saying is it's just objective reality that somebody's splitting us into two different factions that have There's a bunch of ways it's been described.
Authoritarian versus Libertarian.
very different structures for how society is to be organized that literally comes all
the way back down to subject versus object.
Do you think in terms of the subject, do you think in terms of the objective world outside?
tim pool
There's a bunch of ways it's been described, authoritarian versus libertarian.
There's a great way that was described to me by Stephen Marsh, which is a multicultural
democracy and a constitutional republic both existing within the same borders, which I
find really interesting as well.
I don't think necessarily anyone kind of gets it.
My view of it is actually Judeo-Christian moral framework versus Marxist lack of moral framework, or moral framework lack thereof.
So, the way I see it is, when you look at the Constitution, you look at the ideas of liberalism or liberty, classical liberalism, etc.
A lot of it is rooted in a Christian moral framework.
ian crossland
I'm going to start calling it Abrahamic.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's interesting because a lot of what Marxism A lot of what Marxism has done is just bastardize Christian principles, so I think it's interesting that you pointed out this idea of the Hegelian notion of being on the right side of history or that history has an end.
I mean, when you consider it, that is a Christian idea in some sense that's been twisted into something else.
It's called the Eschaton.
Yeah, their Eschaton is our political order prevails.
tim pool
I'll put it this way.
james lindsay
That's right.
tim pool
So whether people in this country realize it or not, even the atheists, their moral framework is rooted in Christianity.
Not 100%.
It's not like they follow the Bible.
It's just that a lot of the ideas they hold true to themselves, they don't realize what the root of that is.
So there is a traditional view in terms of what is right and what is wrong, which comes from Christianity.
For the race Marxists, for the woke, for whatever this other group is, they don't have those moral frameworks.
james lindsay
They have an inverted one, in fact.
tim pool
It's inverted.
Actually, I think it's lack thereof.
It's whatever suits their power.
james lindsay
Well, that's... yes.
They do have a vision, though, which is that everything comes from when they achieve their utopia.
And so the whole thing is actually a pretty vastly religious structure.
And the reason is because Kind of tracking back to, you know, say the 19th century, you have basically God versus society as kind of the two explanations of what's going on, or God versus self.
And, you know, God has ordained this moral order, this is the Judeo-Christian order that you're looking at.
What Marx actually said is, no, we're going to—this is his 1844, you know, so-called Paris Manuscript, or his epistem—what is it?
Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 from Paris.
And he says, no, what we're going to do is we're going to abandon that.
We are going to make man in himself, independent of everything.
Man is going to become the deity, but not any man, only awakened man, a gnostically awakened man, if we want to get really technical, only awakened man who has a correct consciousness.
And that consciousness is a social consciousness, or in other words, a socialist consciousness.
And so when man and society become co-continuous, so that man is for society and society is making man So that they're the same.
Total socialism.
Then you have actualized, this is the Hegelian part, you have actualized the deity.
The deity comes in in the form of society as man as society, which is totally hard to get your head around because it's just dialectical bullshit.
But what that stands to do is replace God.
And so what that—in a moral framework, anything that brings that into existence is good.
Anything that resists that is bad.
So anything that gives them power is good.
And as a matter of fact, just to—I know you're—I don't want to keep going, but if you go to marxist.org and you look up—they have an encyclopedia.
It's awesome.
I love it.
I read it a lot.
They tell you exactly what the hell they mean by all these crazy words they use.
You look up the word for truth.
and they straight up tell you. A lot of people think that truth means correspondence to what's
actually happening in the objective world. But for Marxists, it's a social formation.
And then they go on and say, well, the rationalists think that truth is in reason,
and the empiricists think that it's in evidence, and the pragmatists think that it's in what works.
But for Marxists, it's closest to the pragmatists, but it must wed theory and practice. So it is
tim pool
what brings Marxism into the world is true. I think a big component of the culture war may be,
do you believe in a greater power than yourself? That doesn't mean God. That doesn't mean your
religious.
When I think about inalienable rights, why I believe in freedom, it's because I feel that I am a tiny, insignificant fragment of the universe relative to the greatness and vastness of the universe.
Personally, I do believe in God.
I'm not theistic, like following any particular religion, but so when I think about other people's lives and their rights and what they're entitled to, I think there is something beyond me And, you know, I respect other people's existence.
james lindsay
Yeah, that totally is.
tim pool
But for the woke, their view is there is nothing.
The power is them if they're to take it.
They can be gods.
So you think about... That's right.
You think about the World Economic Forum.
You think about transhumanists.
You think about the people who are like, can we transcend?
And I recommend... I recently just played the video game Horizon Forbidden West.
Zero Dawn was awesome.
That came out a while ago.
Forbidden West is the new game that just came out.
I'm not going to spoil it because it's really new, but if you like these conversations, play that game.
I'm a little underwhelmed by the writing, but it plays in a bit to this and it's really fascinating concepts outside of the kind of weak story they made.
But concepts about transhumanism and things like this are really, really fascinating because these people think they're gods.
james lindsay
Well, that's right because Marx Marx actually, the belief is that the subject and the object, and this is why it does dichotomize, is people that center the subject versus people that center the object.
Marx believed that these two are in dialectical relationship.
He also took this from Hegel, who believed that the deity will actualize when the subject and object are synthesized.
This was the Hegelian systematic philosophy.
So Marx took it from there, and he actually, the goal for Marxist is that you are a subject.
You can envision, I want to create the blade, I see the blade in my mind, I know what Maul's sword should look like, and then I go get a piece of apparently brass and bang on it with a hammer, and hopefully don't give myself zinc poisoning when I put it in the fire.
tim pool
Don't rag on my anime Maul sword.
james lindsay
I'm just saying, he's a blacksmith.
I'm just saying, don't put brass in a forge without proper ventilation.
Just don't do it.
So then you create the thing with your hammer, right?
Your sickle is for when you're hungry.
And you create the thing.
And so in the object, you see that you created that which was in your subjective vision.
And so you recognize yourself as creator.
You recognize yourself as somebody who has the capacity to shape the world.
And then, when you see this, not only can you shape Mall Sword, not only can you shape Wakizashi, not only can you shape Zelda Sword or Whiskey-G or whatever it happens to be.
Whiskey-G is the Chinese for whiskey, by the way.
I know all the people are gonna be like, it's Baijiu!
No, Whiskey-G is a thing they actually say when they talk about, like, American whiskey.
I know that because my Chinese person, every time my friend, every time I drink, he doesn't
speak English, and every time I drink whiskey, he's like, whiskey, ah.
You know, he gets really excited.
And so anyway, the goal is that you also have to shape man and society as your object.
So you have to create socialist consciousness in man, including yourself, but everybody
else as well.
And then you also have to shape society to become a socialist society so that when those
two fuse, you now have the perfected society.
This is literally the religion, and I mean religion, in the fundamental correct term
of Marxism.
And this is the operating system behind the entire thing.
And race marxism or critical race theory is the same thing.
You're just doing it now in the racial justice cabinet.
ian crossland
All three of us have our hands up.
tim pool
I just want to say real quick.
Talking about the mall sword.
That mall sword.
Yes, the defendant.
There was a point in time where that would have been the pinnacle of weapons technology.
And it's like, it costs like $15.
ian crossland
A brass blade.
james lindsay
The brass is fake.
tim pool
I don't, I think that's probably just like aluminum garbage or something.
But, but the point is the way it's shaped and like, it's easy for us to make something like that.
Some, you know, ancient tribe would have been like, wow.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
ian crossland
Is that like to bind the blade, that little hook, that little at the bottom there?
If it catches the blade to bind it?
james lindsay
I mean, I guess probably.
tim pool
It's Ian.
unidentified
It's like, it's a mall sword.
ian crossland
It's a mall sword.
tim pool
It's a $15 piece of metal.
That's like, you know, a toy.
seamus coughlin
I love that you reference the fact that this is very clearly a religion, and one of the Christian principles that's sort of been bastardized here is this idea of cooperating with God in creation.
But where the huge distinction here is, is Marxists see human beings as objects, as you described, which can be reformed in their own image.
So in that way, they really start to play God.
james lindsay
That's right, that's exactly right.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and it's interesting too, because Tim sort of mentioned that we have this Christian framework that a lot of people don't realize they're following, and I would also argue our culture has a Marxist framework, and on top of that, you mentioned the Marxist framework, but I think there are a lot of people, including in the conservative movement, who don't realize they're following the Marxist framework as well, and in many cases, even more closely than they are the Christian framework.
So there are a lot of Marxist assumptions that our culture currently takes for granted.
One example would be that Without any qualification, equality is always an inherent good.
But of course, that's ridiculous, right?
We should not treat a pedophile the way we would treat a law-abiding citizen.
In some instances, you need inequality and justice is more important.
james lindsay
We shouldn't treat the guy who runs way faster than the other guy equally when it comes to handing out medals either.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, exactly.
There is a necessity for people to be treated unequally in certain circumstances.
I would argue another way in which we've assumed Marxist thinking or taking it for granted is that we can solve problems, including moral problems, with a more equitable distribution of resources.
So what the Marxists said for so long Was that if we just more equitably distribute resources and workers own the means of production, all of these social ills will fall away.
And then instead of saying that's absolutely nonsense because there's more to human beings than the materials they're made of and they need something deeper, the conservative movement today responds by saying, no, no, no, no, no.
Yes, of course, resource distribution is the most important thing, but those resources are distributed better by capitalism as opposed to Marxism.
ian crossland
You know what I really can't stand is when politicians call out God and they like name God when you can tell they're not, they don't truly believe it.
tim pool
Like Joe Biden.
ian crossland
Yeah, it just really, really shreds me on the inside.
seamus coughlin
Grinds my gears.
tim pool
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But as a huge fan of James and his books, they literally helped me steer my 15-year-old back from the dark side into reality.
I suggest everyone get them.
How many books do you have, Jeff?
james lindsay
Technically nine.
But I would strongly encourage, if you liked Cynical Theories but you found it hard to read, recently we have an easier remix called Social Injustice that came out.
So you can share that, especially with younger people, teenagers.
But I just, I just let a new book out called Race Marxism.
And this Race Marxism book is, it's the truth about Critical Race Theory is what it is.
It's just, what is the truth?
Well, it's on the title.
It's Race Marxism.
And then it's 100,000 words making the case.
Many of those words, by the way, are their words, not mine.
I quote very extensively so you can see.
So I encourage people to pick that up.
It was independently published through New Discourses just to let people know, so it won't make any bestseller lists, but I'm very excited that it sold 6,000 copies in the first week, which would have landed it pretty high on the New York Times bestseller list if they considered independently published titles.
So it, you know, really is getting out into a lot of hands.
So I also encourage people to pick up my books.
tim pool
Alright, we got A.J.
says, Tim, have you ever read Revelation in the Christian Bible?
It talks about one world currencies, one world government, etc.
Also, if you're looking for a fiction writer, I'm here.
I can show you my work if needed.
Is it revelation or revelations?
james lindsay
No S. Singular.
There's only one revelation.
tim pool
Seamus, are you familiar with all that stuff?
One world government and currencies and stuff like that?
seamus coughlin
So, people say that the one sign of the end times is one world government, because the anarchist does take over the single world government, and that's part of why I'm skeptical of anyone who argues in favor of a one world government, but at the same time, even if I wasn't religious, I think it would be difficult for me to get on board with such a concept.
It seems so terrifying that someone would say, you know what, the entire world has to be governed by this specific niche political ideology that I'm saying is superior, and part of the reason I say that is because I think even though I have like my own set of preferences for government, I think there are a number of systems of governance that are acceptable and can work.
And it's so strange to me that so many people have this idea that there's just one system that could work everywhere.
And even people who don't believe in a one world government will say something like, well, the entire world needs to be democratic.
It's like, well, you're still kind of, you're saying the entire world should have one single government system.
And I think that's strange too.
That's another Marxist thing we've accepted though.
ian crossland
I'm into like a decentralized union, kind of like a federalized decentralized union, but if that's the one world government then maybe I'm the Antichrist, I don't know.
unidentified
A little arrogant of you to think.
ian crossland
I'm working towards it, I just don't want to do the wrong thing.
seamus coughlin
My point is it's so destructive because look how much time we just spent in Afghanistan trying to build a democracy there.
Who says that's the system that they should have?
ian crossland
I feel like lack of communication breeds war.
So I want to make sure we're connected, at least that we can communicate with our economy and with our words.
tim pool
Well, let's read some more Superchance.
We got Dr. Roller Gator who says, Hi James, this is Gator.
Everything is stupid and we're all doomed.
unidentified
Gator!
james lindsay
Gator!
Caps!
ian crossland
I did say Antichrist earlier, by the way, Tim.
Not the second coming.
tim pool
But I know, to assume you're the... Oh, the Antichrist.
james lindsay
I just want to point out, by the way, with the Revelation thing, since I really want to throw this out, the people who are doing this crap have also read Revelation, and there are weirdo Christian cults and non-Christian cults that believe that they can bring Jesus back by forcing the Tribulation.
Now, you might say that these people might, you know, read the description of the beast given in Revelation and then build a statue of this right outside a major financial building in New York City to signal that they've read the... no, not the bull, the weird cat thing with wings that they recently just put up.
What?
You should look up the cat thing with wings.
I don't know what it's called.
It's the beast and it's outside the financial building in New York City.
They just put it up.
And so they have read this and believe that they are bringing about the tribulation.
Now, to tie things to Marxist ideas, just type in Beast from Revelation.
tim pool
It'll come up.
Is that what it is?
unidentified
No, there it is.
james lindsay
It's the third one.
Not the chicken wings.
That.
ian crossland
Is that a chimera?
tim pool
Oh, the end times beast.
james lindsay
Yeah.
So listen.
It's very easy to look at this and get it backwards and say, oh my gosh, so many things look like end times, as described in Revelation.
But it's also possible that the people orchestrating this crap read that book and are trying to make it.
Yep.
tim pool
That seems more likely.
james lindsay
Here's a Marxist religion mind blow.
You're going to love this.
What is the goal of Marxism?
Capital R, Revolution.
What is Revolution?
Rapture.
What's on the other side of rapture?
Tribulation.
What do the Marxists call it?
Socialism, while all the contradictions get worked out.
What's after that?
God's kingdom.
What do they call it?
Communism, or racial justice, on the far end of that, when everything has been set in order and the kingdom has been brought.
So the idea that we're going to usher in the end times, or the eschaton, is also a Marxist idea that has been brought into our society under a cloak.
And I would say that Maybe I know that some of the people behind this that have, say, billions of dollars that they give to major institutions, say like the T.H.
Chan School of Public Health, the UMass School of Public Health, which the same people recently bought, might have these exact beliefs that they believe that they are going to trigger the Tribulation by emulating it as described in Revelation and then ride back in 2030 with Jesus.
seamus coughlin
It's interesting.
I want to make a point here because I am obviously, you know, I'm Catholic.
I don't believe this is the end times.
However, I think another possible explanation here.
Well, I think another I mean, I believe we're headed for I believe it's likely we're headed for some kind of serious chastisement.
But when it comes to the end times rhetoric, I think part of it could also be and I'm interested in looking into some of what you're saying here.
I think another huge part of this could also be these people, A, just kind of wanting to laugh at everybody, and B, this deep, deep arrogance of saying, Ian made this joke earlier, I'm the Antichrist, and Tim said something like, you know, don't be too full of yourself.
I think there's even a kind of arrogance.
They're like, oh, we're the Antichrist.
We're the one who's gonna bring the end about, when in reality, they're just any other evil person.
tim pool
We've got to read more Super Chats here.
We got Ready to Rumble says, pretty privilege is real.
Ian, you rolled a 20.
Howard says, look who's rolling 20s, the big ol' Super Chet.
All right.
Dawn's Herald says, it's James's second time on the podcast and second time it's on a Friday.
Is it too much to ask to see him on the uncensored show?
I'd love to see y'all talk about big tech in the way.
It's a good point.
We don't do the uncensored show, the after show on Fridays, but Fridays are usually more flowing conversations into the week when there's tons of hard news, which is one of the reasons why we have James on Fridays where we can just like freely talk about whatever.
So, I don't know.
james lindsay
I'll come back when my schedule opens up.
I mean, that's been the deal though.
Yeah, that's been the deal.
It's like, I've had like 120 flights since I was here last year.
So it's like, it's hard to get me, it turns out.
I travel a lot.
I'm busy.
tim pool
Jerk Longwell says, Tim's AOC is absolutely my favorite Tim impression.
Yeah.
But I was imitating AOC imitating the cop.
unidentified
Where is she?
ian crossland
Mine's Bill Gates.
I love your Bill Gates impression.
tim pool
That's actually just me.
That's actually me.
I'm actually not impersonating Bill Gates.
I'm impersonating Family Guy's impersonation of Bill Gates.
james lindsay
No, all you have to really do is just kind of squeak your voice a little bit and rock and have your hands in your armpits.
seamus coughlin
I can't really do an impression of him, but I find he kind of has a Kermit thing going to where his voice is like a little bit of this in there.
tim pool
Didn't Joe Rogan point out he's like really out of shape?
james lindsay
Yeah, he has moobs and he's fat and he's not fit and now he's gonna give us health advice?
Get bent.
tim pool
All right, Howard says, you know Trump is controlled opposition part of the cabal.
I didn't know that.
Is that true?
ian crossland
I can't tell.
james lindsay
Cannot confirm.
Although I know his speech at CPAC this year was weird and totally on script, which was weird.
But up to this point, I don't think that's the case.
But I do know that Ivanka appeared as like the header photo of a weirdo World Economic Forum video along with W and Biden and a number of other luminaries, DiCaprio.
And, um, I know that Trump listens to his daughter way more than he probably should.
And so I don't know, I'm not jumping, cannot confirm, but, uh, I have not met.
ian crossland
Ivanka strikes me and I don't want to speak out to her Ivanka.
Sorry, this is going to be pretty hard on you, but you strike me as someone that will sell everyone out to keep your creature comforts and just jump to that.
unidentified
Ivanka?
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Why do you feel that way?
ian crossland
They were like, we need a strong, finally we have a strong woman in the White House
potentially as soon as Trump got into office.
Ivanka, will you be a voice for young women around the world that need you now?
And she's like, no, I'm not interested.
Got in her limo and got driven off.
That was the last you heard of her all through Trump's presidency.
tim pool
Ian, I think you have a tendency to create an image of someone in your mind and then hate them.
ian crossland
She had the chance to be great.
She failed.
She missed that.
She was the president's daughter and they were asking her to speak for women, young women in America.
She was an American woman.
His wife wasn't American.
tim pool
One thing happened one time and you're mad about it.
ian crossland
It was her shot.
It's like Biden was president one time, Tim.
What are you so mad about?
It was only one time that he was president.
tim pool
No, you're talking about four years.
You're having an irrational reaction to an individual who did a bad interview one time.
ian crossland
And that's why I preempted it with, maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but that's the vibe I get is that she's like world economic forum material.
tim pool
What I don't like is conclusions drawn without evidence.
ian crossland
She didn't come from hard times.
She was born into money.
Regardless.
tim pool
She strikes me with... I've never seen her... If you can state your case where it's like calmly and dispassionately... She's emotionally unstable.
ian crossland
She cried to get Trump to fire missiles into Syria, which he did.
james lindsay
White women's tears are political.
That's Robin DiAngelo.
Chapter 11.
ian crossland
I don't trust her.
tim pool
I don't like her.
ian crossland
If I knew her, maybe I would like her personally, but she strikes me as a money.
tim pool
On more than one occasion, you've been like, I have an image of someone in my mind and now I'm angry about that.
ian crossland
Dude, she cried and got Trump to fire missiles into Syria.
She also ducked out on her chance to be a leader when they asked her to.
tim pool
I try to give Biden the benefit of the doubt or credit when he says things that are good.
Like I'll say when he talks about securing the border, like, well, I got to say that's a good thing for him to say.
I don't trust him.
Why?
Because of his actions.
But, and I think he's a bad person.
Why?
Because of his criminal actions in Ukraine.
Ivanka Trump?
I don't think we have enough information because she wasn't that publicly out there to do anything to generate love or hate.
The same is true with, like, people criticizing Jen Psaki when they were, like, ragging on her all the time.
I'm not a fan of that.
Because I'm like, dude, she's just a press secretary.
Other than that, I don't think she's anybody significant.
And so just like any other press secretary, you expect her to say certain things.
Now, if she's lying, I'll say, yeah, that's not true.
When Sean Spicer would say something, we even talked to him about it.
I just, I think if you're going to say I have deep criticisms of someone, it can't be like I've created an image of them in my mind and now I'm angry at them for it.
ian crossland
People are asking if Trump is a false deep state PSYOP or whatever the heck it is.
james lindsay
So to that point, a controlled opposition.
So to that point, there is a relevant thing that's of practical value that people should really have their eye on, which has nothing to do with Ivanka whatsoever, which is that regardless of if, let's say that Trump was a totally genuine actor, that he came in with the best of intentions, the best skills, it's well known that he got surrounded by the swamp, right?
How did that happen?
Well, Paul Ryan appointed the head of the PPO office, Presidential Personnel Office, most powerful position in Washington.
He saw this coming.
He took control, made sure his guy was in charge.
So the 5,000 political appointees that Donald Trump could have made, and this was the whole thing, you know, how he's firing everybody and new people, Those were actually largely appointed by people who were recommended or just directly by the PPO that was under swamp control.
And so we got surrounded with the wrong people.
So how is this an actionable point?
Maybe Trump's not controlled opposition, but he got surrounded by control.
Maybe he wasn't then, but is now.
I don't know.
I'm not saying one way or the other.
But let's say that he was not controlled opposition.
He got surrounded by swamp control.
And so what that tells us is we can't go back to 2016-17 and fix that.
But what we can do is make damn sure that if we put in somebody who's actually got, you know, the Constitution first in whatever office, whether it's a senator with his staffers or a congressman with his staffers, whether it's president, whether it's a governor, whether it's even a mayor, that people are doing some good vetting to make sure because I can damn well guarantee you that the people who run the so-called regime with a capital R are making sure that they can get personnel around these people to make sure that they're ineffective if they are not controlled opposition.
So a practical point is you think we're looking at you know a red wave maybe in 2022 this fall, people need to be thinking of who are those staffing appointments and how are those staffing appointments made and making sure that vetted people are going into those positions.
That's a practical point to kind of come out of whatever Pretty Blonde Girl is.
tim pool
All right, Howard says, cyber pandemic, March 17th, 2022, give or take a few days.
Thanks who CIA Schwab Tim won't see this coming.
I don't know what that last part means, but I guess making a prediction about a cyber pandemic.
james lindsay
I mean, Klaus Schwab talks about this a lot in the last couple of years.
He's like, if you think that COVID-19 has been disruptive, the cyber pandemic will be 10 times as disruptive.
tim pool
What does that even mean though?
james lindsay
Probably massive, massive hacks and ransomware and, you know, breaking into, say, government infrastructure, say, things that run power plants or whatever.
A gigantic outbreak, probably from Russia, or at least that's what they'll say, of huge amounts of cyber warfare against critical infrastructure and even individuals throughout probably, I would bet, the Western world and not China, just as a guess.
So he's been warning about this enough to where one should suspect that he's not warning about this because it might happen and he's ahead of the curve, but because it might happen because he is the curve.
And I don't know what you do to prepare for this.
I don't know how realistic it is, but it's something that Schwab has telegraphed.
Um, dozens of times in the past year or two.
ian crossland
Shamus suggested earlier as we were talking, how do we prepare for something that may or may not happen?
Download your bank records.
Copies of the last three months of your bank records in case the bank, the electricity goes out and you need to, yeah, you need to contact your bank and be like, I have proof that this is my money.
This is how much I had.
james lindsay
Yeah, that's a good idea.
seamus coughlin
So I would go if you can.
No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
That's ridiculous.
What you want to do is you want to take out all of your money, put it in a briefcase under your mattress.
And I'm kidding.
seamus coughlin
Please don't do that.
I think it would be good to have some cash on hand.
I think it would be good for people to have some cash on hand.
tim pool
I would argue for that.
seamus coughlin
In case something does happen to the banks temporarily.
tim pool
If the internet cuts out, you know what the most worthless thing is going to be?
Gold and silver.
Like, gold and silver is valuable, so long as there is still social cohesion.
What does this look like?
lydia smith
How is Bitcoin better, then, if you don't have a computer?
tim pool
It's not.
Who said it was?
lydia smith
Well, I don't know.
I assume that's what it's going to be.
tim pool
I didn't even say the word Bitcoin.
lydia smith
I'm just curious.
tim pool
The one thing that's going to be totally worthless, if there's no internet, is going to be your idea of currency.
If, like, people might still value hard cash, they might still value gold and silver, but if the economy is truly disrupted in a it-hits-the-fan moment, food and water are going to be the most valuable things.
james lindsay
Actually, I've also read coffee.
Food, water, coffee.
You know, bullets probably, honestly.
tim pool
Bullets will be very valuable.
ian crossland
When the coffee runs out.
tim pool
Gold and silver are good because we don't think we're going to be living in Fallout, the Fallout universe.
james lindsay
Mall Sort might be worth an entire dollar.
Like two sticks of gum.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
Hold on there a minute, man.
Like a mall sword in a full-blown apocalypse will, like, aluminum used to be the most valuable metal.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
Or as the British say, aluminum.
james lindsay
I think this is steel.
Like it's pretty, it's got some weight to it.
tim pool
It costs like 10 bucks, dude.
james lindsay
Steel's not expensive.
tim pool
No?
But think about who can make that right now in the middle of where you live.
You know, this is something that's made in a factory somewhere, they mass produce it, and it gets shipped out.
So the point is, gold, like, when we buy, so I have gold, I have silver, you know, a little bit, and, you know, Bitcoin and crypto.
That's me basically saying, I think society will continue.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
Now, when I'm saying society won't continue, it's when I buy, like, a ton of water, or like a solar panel or something.
That's like, Yikes.
seamus coughlin
But the thing is, even so, like water, ammunition, solar panels, emergency food, those things will still be valuable to you if society stays afloat as well.
tim pool
Soap, too.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Soap is super, super valuable.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got, uh, Sadistic Atheist says, Have you ever watched Darren Brown, a real mentalist, showing how he programs celebrities in the general public?
No hypnosis required.
I am very much aware of Darren Brown.
One of my favorite things he ever did was he took a wallet Put it on the ground in the middle of a street, busy street, like downtown in some city, and drew a yellow circle around it, and then walked away, and they put a time-lapse camera on it and watched, and no one touched it.
Just in the middle of the sidewalk.
But because there was a ring around it, people assumed something was happening and they didn't want to touch it.
james lindsay
That's like ants.
tim pool
It was supposed to be there.
james lindsay
Yeah, that's interesting.
That's really interesting.
Yeah, I'm familiar with Aaron Brown, too.
tim pool
He does have some things that I question, where he, like, I think this is him, he grabs Omin and says, like, stuck, and then she can't move, and I'm like, come on.
It's not real.
But there are a lot of things I can tell you this having worked in nonprofit fundraising having been friends with tons of you know hackers social engineers you would be surprised how easy it is to control people's behaviors and so what they try and do with these nonprofits is is they try to cultivate a basic set of manipulative skills.
It doesn't work for most people. And then there are some people who naturally have these skills and
they can, you know, execute them very, very easily. So those people you see on the street waving
to you like, hey, come and talk for a minute. Some people naturally behave in such a way that is
commanding. So I'll tell you two really fascinating things. When it comes to hiring 50 people,
there was always a guarantee.
One characteristic of a man and one characteristic of a woman that would guarantee they would be hired.
And you know what it was for men?
seamus coughlin
Height, maybe?
tim pool
Height.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And do you know what it was for women?
james lindsay
Waifu.
tim pool
How fast they walked.
seamus coughlin
Attractiveness?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
You're close, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Boobs.
unidentified
Hey!
seamus coughlin
And there it is.
tim pool
The women with larger breasts tended to be able to fundraise really well, and the men who were taller tended to be able to fundraise really well.
These are like instinctual, secondary, you know, sexual drives that humans have.
The tall men are commanding, people naturally, you know, and deep voices.
And then the women who were, you know, busty or attractive tended to do very, very well.
Then there was the anomalous outliers.
So you'd always find like a weaselly little guy, but he was a fast talker, and he could convince anybody of anything.
unidentified
Honestly, gang, okay, so let me explain to you why you should go to birch.gold.com and purchase everything.
tim pool
Is that something he says?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, Birch Gold, right?
Aren't they one of the people who sponsors him?
tim pool
Well, they just got a free shout-out.
But no, like, I saw a lot of this.
Guys who are like 5'5", they talk really, really fast.
I gotta tell you, man, if you wanna get the job done, you gotta come to me and I'll tell you, put your credit card right now.
Now we're saving the trees.
Wanna save the trees?
We're gonna save the trees.
Let's get it done.
And those guys, people would just be like, yes sir, okay, whoa, I don't even know what's going on.
And before they realize it, they hand it over their credit card.
james lindsay
Take my mall sword.
tim pool
The crazy thing is, The tall guys, like I knew a guy who was like 6'5", dumb as a box of rocks.
He would just be like, listen, uh, it's like, we gotta help families.
ian crossland
And she's like, have my babies.
tim pool
And like, we're helping families.
And they would be like, okay.
And they'd pop their credit cards and I'd just be like, what?
He didn't even say anything to them!
But humans are very much driven by... Is there any data about people wearing shirts that say can't?
unidentified
I don't know, but... They don't inspire a can-do attitude.
tim pool
Some of these things should be obvious to people.
Bubbliness.
They try to train people.
Keep your arms away from your chest so you're open and welcoming.
Exposing your vulnerable soft underbelly is a sign of trust.
Keep your legs spaced apart and be up around the balls of your feet and be bubbly and upbeat and never be sad.
Never be angry.
These are the things that they would try and train people for.
james lindsay
Spread your legs, balls out, that's all I heard.
tim pool
Balls out!
Yeah, because the idea is, if you're covering your chest, you're saying, I don't trust you, I fear you, and that puts them in a sense of alarm.
So all of these techniques they train on are like base instinct, not even about the words you say.
In fact, like I mentioned, the tall guy, he would barely say words and still convince people to just give him money.
So, when it comes to programming humans, we've got base code, man.
We've got an underlying BIOS that is easy to exploit.
And it's kind of scary.
I love when people tell me it's not possible because I'm like, bro, marketing exists.
They know how you think.
All right, let's grab some more.
What is this one, Marks?
Josephine Whitaker says, somewhere I heard that when Marks died, his wife said, if only he spent his time making capital instead of writing about it.
Is that true?
james lindsay
I don't know.
tim pool
That's a good one though.
james lindsay
It's funny.
Um, I mean, that's, that's the necessary burn.
I mean, I know that, that she actually, I mean, I've read and there's a wonderful book called, uh, the devil and Karl Marx by Paul Kenger.
Um, and he, I think I said his last name, right?
And anyway, uh, that sentiment is actually documented.
I don't know if that's the timing, but that sentence, that sentiment was certainly was expressed.
unidentified
I remember reading it.
tim pool
We have a correction here from Kurt.
He says, Tim, the experience for Replica is for the AI, not you.
The not starts off really dumb, but the more you level it, the smarter it gets and it's free to start.
Oh, well, there you go.
So train your waifu right, your AI Replica or whatever.
unidentified
And she'll be reading Nietzsche or something to you.
tim pool
What if this is really what it is, though?
The people who are using this, maybe the idea is, look, people are lonely.
Let's give them this AI chat bot.
But if people keep communicating, it will learn.
They'll take the data.
james lindsay
What was that thing that was on Twitter that turned into a Nazi in like two hours or whatever?
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh, that's right.
Microsoft released a bot?
tim pool
That was hilarious.
seamus coughlin
What was that called?
Yeah.
ian crossland
I remember it got radicalized, though.
seamus coughlin
It was all the way.
tim pool
See, this is the thing about Iron Man, Avengers, Age of Ultron.
If they were going to build Ultron, this AI, they would put it in a virtual space to see what would happen first, and that's what happened.
It became a Nazi right away.
ian crossland
The chatbot was called Tay.
T-A-Y.
james lindsay
That's right, that's right.
tim pool
It became a Nazi.
james lindsay
It instantaneously became a Democrat staffer pretending to carry a tiki torch outside of a Glenn Youngkin van in like one hour.
ian crossland
That's incredible.
That's CBS News.
tim pool
All right.
Victor says, VTubers are actual people.
They use 3D modeling programs to track their face and body instead of using their actual face.
This highlights an even bigger issue with identity in that some believe they are their avatar.
So they are real people, but they're like technically just puppets.
seamus coughlin
I did.
So sometimes, we've referenced this before, the conspiracy theory pyramid video I did where it's just my cartoon character talking about it.
People were commenting, joking, like, Seamus is a VTuber now.
james lindsay
Dr. Rollergator is a real gator that wears roller skates.
tim pool
People don't realize this, but half the episodes of IRL that Chamus has been on, he's actually been a marionette.
seamus coughlin
Very good animator.
lydia smith
I'm very good at it.
tim pool
Alright, let's grab some more Super Chats here and see what y'all are interested in.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Daniel Chrisman says Marx wrote his manifesto in 1848.
Engels trained three major Civil War generals.
Karl Schurz and Franz Sigel and August Willitsch.
Marx was the worldwide media correspondent during the Civil War.
The Civil War was a communist coup.
I don't know about all that.
ian crossland
A lot of information.
james lindsay
I know that he was in touch with Lincoln.
I don't know more than that on this subject.
lydia smith
Interesting.
ian crossland
I've heard that.
tim pool
MightyDorks says, Hey Tim, did you hear Joe say it was weird saying second gentleman?
Is that what he said?
ian crossland
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
Did he say it was weird?
I heard him saying second gentleman.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I didn't hear him say it was weird.
unidentified
Oh, I thought it was weird though.
james lindsay
Is that Joe?
ian crossland
Biden.
tim pool
Joe Biden!
james lindsay
Sorry, I took Kamala.
ian crossland
Yeah, her husband.
james lindsay
Dr. Jill.
tim pool
Elijah Zepeda says, I don't think you guys understand how many H-games there are on the internet.
They all have Patreon pages and make tons of money.
Just look how much Summertime Saga makes a month.
What is an H-game?
james lindsay
Hentai?
Is that what the H for?
tim pool
Oh, is that what it is?
james lindsay
Waifus?
I don't know.
tim pool
Waifu games.
james lindsay
I'm in my 40s.
I don't know what any of this shit is.
tim pool
I mean, I don't know what it was.
Maybe you're right.
james lindsay
I don't know.
I'm just guessing.
It's like, what's an H game?
lydia smith
I'm gonna look it up.
tim pool
Inform me.
james lindsay
It's something I probably didn't want to know exists.
lydia smith
Exactly.
unidentified
Okay.
james lindsay
I will chop it down with my mall sword.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
All right.
lydia smith
Let's... Yeah, it's basically hentai.
Gross.
james lindsay
Bang.
lydia smith
Nailed it.
tim pool
Jeff Jones says, first time donator.
Love you guys.
Shout out to Ian for taking Confrontation so well with Tim.
I know when I am put on the spot, I get even more pissed.
Ha ha ha.
ian crossland
Gotta learn to enjoy being wrong.
I learned early on when we used to play video games with my friends that if we would play, like, you'd win and then the loser would have to pass the controller, so the winner would stay forever.
And I was like, why don't we do it where you play two and you pass it regardless of if you win or lose?
So everyone started to get equal amounts of play time, and I realized it doesn't matter if you win or lose, man.
We're just playing to have fun.
tim pool
Let's see.
Turk Longwall says, how did coffee become so addictive?
It's top five.
unidentified
I have no idea.
james lindsay
Coffee?
lydia smith
It's delicious.
james lindsay
Because caffeine is an adenosine receptor antagonist and adenosine makes you feel very uncomfortable when it gets free and so when you can antagonize the receptors you can make yourself feel good all the time in the famous words of Kramer.
ian crossland
Then you start to grow more receptors.
tim pool
He's been on my mind.
Anytime.
What if I am Alex Jones in a James Lindsay suit?
Let's see, Eriitse says, when will you have Alex Jones on again?
ian crossland
He's been on my mind.
tim pool
Anytime?
Anytime.
james lindsay
What if I am Alex Jones in a James Lindsay suit?
ian crossland
Under the cat shirt?
seamus coughlin
They would love to say that about you.
james lindsay
Well, you see, if you took a whole lot of his supplements for like brain, no.
tim pool
He evolved.
So, the thing about Alex is that, you know, like, we went down to Austin.
I was just like, I don't want to have him on literally every other day.
You know, it's got to be special.
seamus coughlin
Make him a guest.
Make him a co-host.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like, he's just here now.
He lives here.
But I'd love to have Alex Jones on anytime.
And I think the most important thing is finding good guests to have on with Alex.
And also, it's like, we've had requests to host conservatives with Vosh.
And I'm like, look, we've had the guy on a couple times.
I don't want to act like we are somehow able to connect people and make these things happen.
And also, I'd love to have other left personalities and leftist personalities on with conservatives or moderates.
I'm not just going to be like, there's one leftist who came on the show twice.
There's certainly other people we could bring on.
And same goes for Alex Jones.
You know, there's probably other people we could bring on too, and so we try to just, you know, get a diverse, eclectic group.
So, I'll leave it there.
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
It's been a big blast.
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Twitter just rolled out super follows.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And so, uh, they gave it to me.
And this basically means that you can sign up on Twitter, not saying you should, I'm just saying I'm absolutely going to be posting things, but it's mostly going to be drama and nonsense, something you wouldn't get anywhere else.
So today I made a post about how we actually have a plan to clone our rooster, and I'm pretty sure I can pull it off.
If you want to find out how, That's the kind of shenanigans you'll get on Twitter with super followers, or just literally ignore it.
Who cares?
You can come to the substantive content that actually matters, or you can, you know, whatever.
I figured I'd set it up.
James, do you want to shout anything out?
james lindsay
Yeah, I mean, I got the new book, Race Marxism.
If you can't find it on the Amazon for yourself, you can go to racemarxism.com.
Website is newdiscourses.com.
The podcast there is the New Discourses podcast.
If you think that I sounded kind of smart and know what I'm talking about with this mouse stuff, I've got tons, hours and hours and hours of deep dives into this literature, whether it's critical race theory, Marxism, neo-Marxism, postmodernism, whatever, check it out.
You follow me on social media at ConceptualJames, where people are probably pissed off at me on the internet, and I am probably laughing about that fact.
seamus coughlin
Lovely.
I'm Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes.
We upload a new political cartoon every single Thursday.
We just uploaded one about Biden's State of the Union.
I think you guys will really enjoy it if you check it out, and we're going to be doing one I mentioned earlier about the diversity training requirements for the military, and you can check me out there.
I love you all.
ian crossland
You're talking about Biden's campaign speech?
seamus coughlin
A little bit, yeah.
Oh, they called it the State of the Union.
Yeah, they called it the State of the Union, even though he didn't really tell us much about the state the union was in.
ian crossland
Yeah, I just found that out, too.
James, I'm looking forward to when you come back.
I want to talk about Heigl's mixing of self and other to create God and then pushing that on society.
I thought that Plato said, like, if you don't take interest in politics, politics takes an interest in you, but maybe people have gone too far.
Maybe that can be something we look into in the future and talk more about.
Thanks for coming, man.
james lindsay
Yeah, man, awesome.
ian crossland
Follow me at iancrossland.net.
Peace!
lydia smith
I always enjoy having James.
He mixes a mean aviation, which is my new favorite cocktail, it turns out.
Thank you very much for making me a drink that was the color of your sweatshirt.
You guys may follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sour Patch Lids.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
And I guess we'll be back Monday.
We'll have more shows.
We'll have clips, of course, up throughout the week.
So if you subscribe to this channel, we've got clips from earlier in the week that are segments.
You'll see them here.
And other than that, we'll see you on the next show on Monday.
Thanks for hanging out.
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