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March 4, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Russia Firing On Nuclear Power Plant On LIVE VIDEO w/Posobiec & Daniel Turner
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daniel turner
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ian crossland
12:42
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jack posobiec
38:11
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seamus coughlin
14:11
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tim pool
44:21
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lydia smith
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tim pool
Right now, there is a live stream on YouTube showing war at one of the largest nuclear
power plants, I believe in the world.
Is it in the world, Jack?
jack posobiec
Certainly one of the largest in Europe, as far as we can tell.
They may have larger ones in Asia, but this is the largest one in Europe.
tim pool
You can actually watch on live video on YouTube.
At first, we had this breaking news report, and it said they're shelling or firing on a nuclear power plant.
And so I titled this stream like reportedly doing this and then Jack was like, I've got the live stream and then we started watching the live stream and you can see fire, you can see what looks like emergency vehicles, you can see military equipment, you can see some kind of firing upon this nuclear power plant.
So not, uh, not confidence building to say the least, but certainly one of the most shocking developments we've seen so far.
And we've got a lot of other updates too.
Russian, uh, warplanes entered, and be very careful how I describe this, violated Swedish airspace and Japanese airspace.
People need to realize that Russia is like 50 miles from Sweden and 50 miles from Japan and 50 miles from the United States.
So they certainly are very close to all of these countries and, uh, There seems to be a real possibility of dramatic escalation here, so we'll definitely get into all of that.
And we also have some of the craziest news.
Russia today, RT, completely shut down.
I mean, this is crazy.
How many people work at this company?
Dozens?
A hundred or more?
All lost their jobs.
RT just said an interruption in business.
Here's where it gets crazy.
Social media has labeled Americans, like Twitter has labeled like Russian state media, and Lee Camp, who is an anti-war, I think it's fair to say he's left, right?
Leftist?
ian crossland
I guess.
He seems pretty centrist to me.
He's double-headed, but he's definitely anti-war.
tim pool
He's an anti-war, anti-establishment guy.
Spotify took his podcast off the air.
The crazy thing is, I don't think his podcast is affiliated with Russia.
It's like a YouTube channel that he made.
daniel turner
Was Neil Young demanding you take it down?
tim pool
Must have been.
But he did have a show on Russia Today called Redacted Tonight, so I don't know if he's still doing that, but this is crazy.
Like, war hysteria.
We are seeing this in real time.
They're banning Russians from sporting events, from video games.
Like, FIFA's like, we're not gonna have Russians in our video game.
Did you hear they banned Russian cats?
daniel turner
Russian cats from the cat show.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
White people have lost their minds!
jack posobiec
There's a report.
tim pool
We'll just work real quick.
We'll just go through.
We have a sponsor tonight, but I want to we'll go through introduction and start to cut you off.
But we got Jack Posobiec hanging out.
jack posobiec
Hey, welcome me back.
Very good to be back here.
It's been been a minute, but I'm about a month since since I've been on.
Good to see Ian.
Good to see everybody.
Good to be in the compound.
tim pool
Right on.
daniel turner
Daniel Turner, power of the future.
Always great to be with you fine folks and and with Jack.
We've done this before and it's good to see you, my friend.
jack posobiec
It's a pleasure.
daniel turner
Thank you.
seamus coughlin
I'm Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes.
We upload a new animated cartoon every single Thursday, which means we put one up today about Biden's State of the Union.
I think you guys will really enjoy it.
lydia smith
It's so good.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, thank you very much.
lydia smith
It's awesome.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
Thank you.
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ian crossland
Ian Crossland over here from iancrossland.net.
The energy feels lively.
I'm ready to roll with it.
jack posobiec
Let's go.
lydia smith
Feels like a nuclear fire tonight.
I'm excited to talk about this a little bit, see what's going on.
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Let's just jump in to this first story.
We have the report here from ABC News.
Plant spokesman says Russian troops have begun shelling Europe's largest nuclear power station in Ukraine.
Plant spokesman says Russian troops have begun shelling it.
That's basically the news.
That's it.
But we're not stopping there.
We actually have this live stream.
I can't read Cyrillic, so I don't know who's the person who has the live stream up.
It's not us.
But someone has been able to get a live stream of the plant.
You can see there's some smoke coming out of it.
The camera has moved periodically.
But let me just do this.
Let me jump to this story.
jack posobiec
Well, it seems to be the name of the plant itself.
So I think it might be like an official channel.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
It's the actual... Right.
Oh, so you're right.
Yeah, yeah.
What is it?
jack posobiec
Zaporizitska.
tim pool
Zaporizitska?
jack posobiec
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
So we actually have some photos that appears to show steel grabs and video clips showing the actual shelling.
You can see this happening right now.
I would love to have had someone who knows the finer mechanics of a nuclear power plant to tell us what this could mean, what could happen, because apparently they've already hit.
So like, have they hit all of the of the power of the power station?
jack posobiec
Well, there's lots like at any nuclear facility that you're going to be involved in.
And you know, someone who's, you know, as I say, as a military officer, I've got I've done, you know, some basic battle damage assessment training.
So just like any military facility or large scale new power plant, You know, there's going to be lots of outlier buildings, administrative buildings, office buildings.
There's way more buildings around this thing than the actual nuclear reactors that have the rods in them that have the ability to melt down or anything like that.
Now, that being said, it's not a good idea to have a firefight at a nuclear plant to be firing artillery and throwing grenades and all the rest of that for various, very obvious reasons.
tim pool
So this is, is this, uh, what is this?
We have this, this image here.
Zaporitska, is that what it is?
Am I saying that wrong?
jack posobiec
Well, it looks like, yeah, it looks like in the English they're saying Zaporizhitsa, but in the Cyrillic there was a K. So that was throwing me off.
tim pool
But there's like a, it's, it's like Zaporizhitsa.
jack posobiec
Zaporizhitsa.
tim pool
But, uh, this is just north of, uh, Malitopol.
And that's what, just north of Crimea near the Sea of Azov.
jack posobiec
So it's so it's on the Dnieper River.
So every every nuclear plant needs a water source, right?
It's your basic nuclear power value proposition.
So same reason, by the way, why most why a lot of US Navy ships, as all US carriers, and all US submarines are nuclear powered, because obviously, they have a Yeah, you know, access to water, plentiful access to water.
I was gonna say, though, Russia has attempted, and it's, you know, kind of on again off again to make a nuclear powered cruiser.
So actually, with the capability of essentially being able to fire fire cruise missiles, yeah, as this massive nuclear powered platform, which even the US doesn't do.
tim pool
So what are we doing here?
Is this just a shocking moment?
It's a flash in the pan and maybe nothing bad will happen?
jack posobiec
Well, it seems, again, this is part of Russia's strategy, right?
They are trying to take over all the strategic key points of Ukraine.
And what they're trying to do really is cut the entire country of Ukraine in half using that Dnieper River.
Did you see that map from Lukashenko Belarus showing the attack into Moldova though?
towards Kiev, they're coming up from the south through starting obviously in
Crimea which they had already annexed in 2014, coming up north they already took
the city of Kursan so the next logical move for any military procession in this
unidentified
was that you would you would continue up the river. Did you see that map from
tim pool
Lukashenko Belarus showing the attack into Moldova though?
jack posobiec
Right. Yeah what do you think about that? I mean that could be a lot of things.
Now, we already know that Russia does have some troops in that separatist region of Transnistria.
So it could have been a reference to that.
I mean, the quality of the map was hard to kind of really make out if there was any writing on it or anything like that.
And obviously, I, you know, everybody knows that, you know, I live with a, I have a live-in translator when it comes to this part of the world, my wife being Belarusian.
And so I asked her if she could see anything on there and she said I couldn't really see anything.
But I remember the night that this all started, we were down in CPAC and we were standing at this place that had crappy hotel Wi-Fi.
Nice hotel, but crappy Wi-Fi down in Orlando.
And Putin's up giving his speech and she's translating it in real time and then I'm tweeting it out and then Zelensky's coming up giving his response and people are all like, you know, how's Posovic getting this stuff so fast?
I'm like, I have a translator sitting next to me.
tim pool
That's always the most difficult things.
I've seen a lot of videos of Putin's statements, and I don't know that someone's translated it properly.
You know, do you trust a random person on the internet just posting quotes?
You know what I mean?
daniel turner
There was a funny moment of that.
jack posobiec
I remember in 2000... Welcome to Vagabor.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
daniel turner
Funny moment of that in 2007 with Condi Rice when she was meeting with Medvedev.
Remember, and she kicked the translator out of the room, because she speaks Russian, and she said, you're not... She accused the Russian translator of purposely... The American translator of either not purposely, but she accused the American translator of botching the translation to a point that it was distracting her, and so she asked the translator to leave.
ian crossland
How many times has that happened?
daniel turner
That's pretty badass, Condi.
ian crossland
That's an example.
How many times do you think this is happening today, like over and over and over again?
Already there.
We were talking about mistranslations in like Islam and that the word power and force also mean God and in Arabic and like come on talk about it.
daniel turner
And you listen to the MSNBC translation of the State of the Union.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I was gonna say they don't even translate Biden properly.
jack posobiec
Just an update on as what we're seeing and the stream is freezing now.
So I mean we might be losing, you know, our ability to see what's going on at this power plant, but I don't, I don't.
Ukraine's energy ministry and again, fog of war, grain of salt, all the normal, you know,
couching statements and corollaries that we have to say.
But Ukraine's energy ministry is now claiming that firefighters have been fired at by Russian
troops while trying to put out the fire.
I don't because they're going directly into an active combat.
tim pool
It's possible.
It's entirely possible.
Yeah, if you're a firefighter and there's conflict, they don't know who you are, they might fire upon you.
But I just, I'm really not a fan of these comic book villainy claims that come out from the West and, to be honest, even from, you know, Russia.
Oh, we don't want Ukraine to get nukes or whatever, or we're trying to denazify Putin saying, you know, we're gonna have an Antifa thing or whatever.
That's ridiculous.
But the idea You know, we're hearing the absolute comic book villainy of both sides from both sides.
The propaganda is the Russians are evil, and they got these videos of POWs, Russian POWs, crying and saying, like, I didn't know they were going to make me kill women and children or whatever, and I'm like, dude...
Don't parade around POWs to me, because I don't trust them when they say that, right?
You've captured them.
Their lives are at risk.
The Ukrainian Special Forces Command said, we're not going to take prisoners anymore.
And a lot of people were like, well, that's an admission of a war crime.
They were like, no more capture.
If we do, we're going to slaughter.
I think, what did they say?
Slaughter like pigs or something?
jack posobiec
Yeah, but that actually, I did see some people pushing back on that.
And as we were just saying, that may have been kind of a translation thing, where the connotation may have been more like, we're going to kill you in battle, so you won't be alive for us to take prisoner.
unidentified
Right?
jack posobiec
As opposed to, we're not going to allow you to surrender.
tim pool
No, they tweeted in English something and then deleted it.
Yeah, there was like a tweet.
jack posobiec
No, that was, so I think that was either Kiev Independent or Kiev Post that was covering what was said, but they may have been going off of the mistranslation.
unidentified
Right, right.
jack posobiec
But again, I mean, so here's what I keep saying throughout all of this, right?
And the one thing I've instituted with all my team is saying, we're on a 24 hour, you know, rule with all this stuff.
Because how many stories have come out since the beginning of this conflict, almost, I
think one week, I think we're at the one week mark today, right?
That within 24 hours have been completely debunked, right?
This shelling or this pilot, or Snake Island, right?
It sounds like a Hollywood script, right?
It sounds like you're, yeah, you're like, like a movie script and you're and at first
you're, oh my gosh, this is, this is, I can't believe it.
And then it turns out, but you actually can't believe it.
So keep in mind that you're seeing these situations and it's meant to emotionally affect you and emotionally hook you.
And the Western media, by the way, has been leaps and bounds beyond anything Russia has put out in terms of their information operations here.
Kind of one little corollary I threw out there was, you know, this sort of debunks all of Russiagate, right?
Because it wasn't wasn't the predicate for Russiagate, the idea that the Russians were these masters at information warfare, they dominated the global information environment.
And then it turns out that, okay, well, here's Russia in an actual shooting war, which they would really need to have their best info ops up.
And they're, you know, screaming about genocide and Nazis.
And sure, yeah, you know, we can talk about the Azov battalion, and we can be very truthful about what's going on.
But at the same... And yes, there is shelling in Donbass.
Yeah, 100%.
But it's not the exact same thing that they're alleging.
tim pool
They got the Instagram hot babes of Russia coming out against Vladimir Putin, against their own government.
jack posobiec
He's done.
tim pool
Yeah, it's time to end it.
seamus coughlin
Call it off.
I thought banging the cats was going to do it.
tim pool
These Instagram models are like the daughters of government officials.
See, the thing is, This is the power of influence war. The US controls
Instagram. These young women make money off Instagram and feel social acceptance from likes.
When that's threatened to be taken away from them, they immediately come out and say, no, no,
no, I support the other country.
That is scary.
daniel turner
Like our corporations do every time.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
daniel turner
Absolutely.
tim pool
It's terrifying when TikTok, controlled by China, is operating here for the exact same reason.
And what will happen if China moves into Taiwan?
TikTok is going to light up, and all of these American TikTokers are going to be like, but Taiwan is China, and China has a right, and blah, blah, blah.
ian crossland
Taiwan is the Republic of China.
Technically, it is China, and the CCP is an invading force.
seamus coughlin
I didn't know you had a TikTok.
ian crossland
No, I don't actually.
tim pool
We got banned from TikTok.
ian crossland
Maybe I do have a TikTok.
I don't remember.
I don't think I do.
But that's the Republic of China.
That's the real government of China.
The Republic that was basically pushed onto the island by the CCP.
Restore the Republic.
daniel turner
I love the thing that the West, that America has exported to the world as the awful hyperbolic language.
Like when Sergei Lavrov The Russian foreign minister is talking about the denazification of Ukraine and they are Nazis.
I'm like, you sound like a 17 year old kid in like a high school debate team.
Like, are we all talking on this awful hyperbolic, I'm gonna get rid of the Nazis from Ukraine.
It's just, it's awful how someone who's been a statesman for 60 years sounds like a TikTok kid right now.
tim pool
Like a boomer.
daniel turner
Yeah, it's just unbelievable.
jack posobiec
Well, he's got to hold on to that, though, because that's now the official line.
daniel turner
Yeah, no, he has to.
It's just embarrassing.
jack posobiec
Because I think we need to remember, too, that, you know, any of these statements now that that Lavrov is making, and you're right that he's he's been known as someone who's actually pretty highly respected in the international community, even though, you know, obviously they disagree with him on a lot, that all of a sudden he's throwing that away to, you know, throw off these these little like, you know, pot shot like W.D.
W.W.E.
kind of lines.
And the reason is, though, that's all being played internally.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
jack posobiec
And so they're going to show that to the Russian people and they're going to and it's it's going to play into this new
narrative.
And it's the same narrative that, of course, Biden and all of these companies that are coming out now and banning
Russians.
You've got I think I was gonna say earlier that Canada has said this Canadian minister of transportation has said they're
holding a charter plane in Canada full of Russian nationals and they're not going to let it go.
So the internal narrative in Russia right now is that it's the world versus you.
And guess what?
The world is playing right into that.
tim pool
Well, I gotta say they crossed the line here.
Check out this story from NBC News.
International Cat Federation bans Russian felines from competitions.
seamus coughlin
We surrender.
It is time to give up.
tim pool
Federation International Feline, which hosts over 700 cat shows a year, said it cannot just witness these atrocities and do nothing.
unidentified
Look at these cats!
seamus coughlin
Okay, I can understand the sentiment.
I can't witness these atrocities and not do anything.
But like that?
That's the thing you chose to do?
That wasn't your only option.
tim pool
What if an American is a Russian cat?
Is that the issue?
Kick him into the street.
daniel turner
Get him out of here.
seamus coughlin
We're dog people, too.
jack posobiec
Sorry, Oliver.
daniel turner
Some poor 60-year-old librarian has been waiting to show her Russian blue all year, and she's from Idaho, and now she's like, what do you mean I can't go to the cat show?
You're a communist sympathizer!
jack posobiec
Wait, wait, wait, so it's not even that...
tim pool
No cat bred in Russia.
jack posobiec
So you could be an American.
daniel turner
Or imported.
jack posobiec
Or no, it's imported or registered in any way.
seamus coughlin
But what if that cat is a citizen in another country?
Why is where they came from so important to these people?
Those cats are just seeking a better outcome, a better life for themselves.
jack posobiec
The refugees are just seeking a better outcome, a better life for themselves.
seeking a better outcome, a better life for themselves.
seamus coughlin
They're being banned.
jack posobiec
Have they been bugged?
tim pool
Is that the problem?
daniel turner
Path to citizenship for those cats?
tim pool
I love this timeline.
jack posobiec
They're just dreamers.
They're just dreamers.
Dream lines.
unidentified
These people like to say- Hold on!
jack posobiec
You almost got me on that one.
seamus coughlin
The group said the new regulation will last through May 31st and will be reviewed as and when necessary.
Like is any of this necessary?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I don't understand.
This is war hysteria.
This is the same thing as the mass formation psychosis we heard about during COVID.
This is people being like, Russia, I need to put a Ukrainian flag in my Twitter account and ban the cats!
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness, there's another sentence here I really have to read.
On top of that, our Ukrainian fellow feline fanciers are desperately trying to take care of their cats and other animals in these trying circumstances.
There are far greater concerns there.
Far greater concerns.
And we're going to retaliate by banning Russian cats?
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait!
seamus coughlin
Feline fanciers?
tim pool
Stop, stop, stop!
The announcement is the latest blow to Russia, which has been hit with sanctions by a number of countries.
unidentified
They're reeling.
ian crossland
What if you own a Russian cat?
seamus coughlin
Do you have to get rid of it?
tim pool
Putin is sitting in his chair stroking his cat and he's like, that's right.
He was like, no!
unidentified
Yet!
Yet!
What do you mean she cannot compete?
tim pool
He looks at his shelf and he's got all of his awards from the cat show.
jack posobiec
My akushka, my akushka.
seamus coughlin
I am a feline fancier.
daniel turner
There was great alliteration in that sentence.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I got it.
jack posobiec
My akushka.
daniel turner
A lot of alliteration.
ian crossland
Did you find out if you have a Russian cat or you now... My akushka krasi.
tim pool
If it was bred in Russia.
ian crossland
They're gonna come take it?
seamus coughlin
Wait, bred in Russia or born in Russia?
tim pool
Bred or... Both.
jack posobiec
Bred or imported.
seamus coughlin
Because of, I don't know, the cat could have been bred there but then could have given birth in another country.
tim pool
Wait, what?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
unidentified
If the cat was impregnated... Are you suggesting Anchor Kitties?
It's Anchor Kitties.
jack posobiec
We've gone from, in 20 minutes, we've gone from the nuclear fire fight to Anchor Kitties.
unidentified
The most important news comes second.
tim pool
Levity, levity.
ian crossland
This is tough because this will be ripping families apart if it goes through.
jack posobiec
Are you going to separate?
daniel turner
There's a great restaurant in D.C.
that is a Russian restaurant.
I'm almost reluctant to say the name because I don't want to give them negatives.
jack posobiec
Well, they smash the windows.
daniel turner
But they smash the windows.
And a friend of mine, a friend of mine ate there last night and said, I've been coming to this restaurant for like the 20 years I've lived in D.C.
and it is a Russian restaurant.
But they're Americans.
They just have Russian heritage and they make Russian food.
And now there's like a boycott the restaurant.
And they must be like, you put me through friggin' COVID and now you're putting me through this.
Like, I just make borscht.
How am I responsible for this?
tim pool
When, well, my response was when I saw FIFA had banned Russian clubs and teams or whatever from
the game, I was just like, it's the stupidest thing ever.
And I said, you know what? The Russian people are to blame to all of this. They should be
punished.
The funny thing is when I tweeted, I despise appeals to emotion.
unidentified
The left went nuts.
jack posobiec
You were trending for like two days.
tim pool
I was specifically referring to the translators, more than one.
There were three different translators who cried while translating.
And that was the viral story.
Of course, I tweeted that, because I tweeted about it a bunch of different times, and I made videos about it, but that doesn't play well when they want to, like, criticize.
Like, it's the weirdest thing ever, because I've been very, like, pro-Zelensky and, like, been supportive of Ukraine the entire time, so I don't know what they're trying to smear.
But when they go nuts on this, and then I tweet, jokingly, because they're all basically like me just screwing around, when I say we must punish Russian-Americans, or my favorite tweet was, I said, whoa, how do we know that Russian-Americans aren't secretly working for Putin, or worse, Trump?
That did not make any of them angry.
Or when I said punish Russian civilians, that didn't make anybody angry.
How dare you question the sobbing translators?
Okay, well, y'all just banned cats, so you guys have lost your minds.
ian crossland
What gets me about removing the Russian teams from the video game sports is like, okay, I understand trying, like, World War II, we put the Japanese citizens in internment camps, hardcore.
I don't know if it was the right or wrong move, maybe they were spies, maybe they did the right thing, but like, I used to play Civilization, and Hitler's never led any of the German countries.
If you ever play Civilization and you play Germany, Hitler has never been in the game.
They've eradicated the memory of that man from the video game.
Still, 80 years later, they're still eradicating the memory.
So like, yeah, the Russian teams are gone from sports this year.
What if in 80 years, they're still like pretending Russia never existed?
It's effing terrifying.
jack posobiec
So here's what here's what gets me on all of these, you know, and it's it's deplatforming, deplatforming, cancel it.
We're trying to use cancel culture the same way that, you know, to affect Russia.
But I don't think they kind of understand.
This was a planned operation.
This wasn't like Putin woke up one day and said, oh, we're just going to do this.
tim pool
Did you see the report that apparently Xi Jinping said don't invade until after the Olympics are over?
jack posobiec
Maybe.
tim pool
I don't know.
jack posobiec
I'm skeptical.
But at the same time, you know, I think this is something that was planned out for months in advance.
I guarantee you that Putin went around to all of like the top oligarchs, anyone who has any actual sway within Russia, and explained, this is what's going to happen next year.
So you need to set up your stuff however you want to set it up.
And Daniel, you know this.
These guys have stuff off the books in every country around the world.
It's not in their names, not in their kids' names.
Yeah, you can take their yachts because you know it's them.
But they've got mansions you don't know about.
They've got planes you don't know about.
And they're gonna use them, and they're gonna be fine.
So these sanctions aren't going to hurt anyone important in Russia.
You're gonna hurt the regular people.
You're gonna hurt the disabled athletes that want to go to the Paralympics.
You're gonna go after the oncology researchers that are trying to help people with cancer.
in Russia, right? You're going to hurt all of those regular people behind the scenes.
That's number one. And number two is you're going to turn all of them not against Putin.
They're going to be against you because you put the sanctions on.
ian crossland
If you had been the president when this happened last week, what would have been an adequate
response?
jack posobiec
Well, I mean, at the same time, you have to go back and say, you know, we responded to
escalation with more escalation, right?
So it's, we've been ratcheting up things as they've been ratcheting up things.
And so from the start, you should have not been doing that.
That's always the wrong, the wrong move, obviously.
tim pool
I think, uh, you know, we needed Biden to have, because we knew the invasion was coming.
Biden should have had a conversation with Putin a long time ago.
And he did.
And he should have said, if you hit Ukraine, I will hit Moscow.
I'm sorry, Joe Biden.
He should have been like, come on, man.
Another joke.
Donald Trump reportedly told Putin, if you, if you try to take Ukraine, I will hit Moscow.
jack posobiec
He said all those beautiful golden turrets will be destroyed.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
Do you remember?
My favorite though, he told Xi the same thing.
If you go to Taiwan, I'll hit Beijing.
And the story was that both Xi and Putin were like, like kind of shocked that someone would
tell them I will kill millions of civilians if you take a, if you engage in a regional
conflict.
jack posobiec
Remember Trump timed the original Syria strikes for when Xi Jinping was meeting at Mar-a-Lago
over dinner.
And there's, you know, there's a story that as cake was being served, they leaned in and told Xi Jinping that the strikes were taking place.
daniel turner
That's right.
But you remember when Putin just met with, when Biden just met with Putin a couple months ago, he came back and he said, we talked about seven things that I told him were off limits.
I mean, right then and there, I was like, well, what if I'm number eight?
You know, like, so seven things that you can't hit.
Seven American assets.
We went through seven things that he can't touch.
That was after the cyber attack that closed colonial pipeline.
So right off the bat, Putin, I mean, if anything, he watched the State of the Union.
He felt more emboldened.
jack posobiec
I was going to say, well, I didn't hit any of those seven things, so I'm good to go.
daniel turner
And if you watch the Super Bowl halftime show, he's like, they don't deserve to live anymore.
We should just invade the West completely.
tim pool
I think people need to recognize that Vladimir Putin is passionate and he's old, which means he's got to make whatever move he's going to make now, because he's almost 70 years old.
So I think Russia is going to win what they want to win.
We already have these crazy stories about NATO's involved.
They're 100% involved.
They're just playing weird semantic games.
Latvia has apparently voted to allow their citizens to join the fight on the Ukrainian side.
Now, how is that not declaring war?
It's so ridiculous.
Well, our military isn't involved.
We're just sending waves of our own citizens with guns into Ukraine to shoot you.
That to me is absurd.
Plus you've got the arming, you've got the resources, we'll put it that way, being given to Ukraine.
So it's ridiculous that we're at this point where it's like, well, if NATO gets involved, they're involved.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so this is we're back under this is something that I've noticed, you know, kind of zipping around on Twitter, reading a lot of stuff that we seem to have kind of forgotten the sort of rules of the Cold War, like the reason that we don't go directly bullet to bullet, we don't fire upon Russian assets and Russian assets don't fire on us.
So we have these proxy wars, right to We had Afghanistan throughout the 70s and late 70s, early 80s.
Then we had the Vietnam War prior to that, where again, Russia, of course, was supporting the Viet Cong and supporting the NVA.
And then we got involved in the South, but Russia didn't actually send, you know, they may have had a couple advisors, but they didn't send forces down.
Same deal with Korea, right?
During the Korean War, Russia didn't get directly involved.
They had some air assets, but they sent China in, they had North Korea, but they didn't go in themselves.
Same idea for us.
We don't want to get into this shooting war with Another nuclear power.
So we end up doing all these proxy wars.
And essentially, if you're looking at it from Russia's perspective, they view the current regime, the government of Ukraine, and Ukrainian military as an American or at least Western proxy force.
ian crossland
This is since 2014.
Since 2014.
What, the CIA?
jack posobiec
Since the coup.
ian crossland
Instigated the coup.
Is it official that the CIA was involved or is it just assumed?
jack posobiec
I mean, they were certainly involved.
The level of involvement is debated, yeah.
There were certainly Western assets involved.
I mean, you can have a debate about who started it or whether or not it was justified, but it certainly was US-supported.
ian crossland
And that blockaded and hindered their ability to get oil into the Black Sea, so that's why he took Crimea almost instantly after that?
jack posobiec
Well, I mean, it changed a lot of things, obviously.
But they were looking at a situation where, remember, the Russian Black Sea fleet that's at that port of Sevastopol has always been there, right?
That's always been a Russian naval port.
And that's their major port, their major Navy base on the Black Sea.
So they were never going to give that up.
They just weren't going to.
tim pool
It's their only warm water port.
It also grants them access to the Mediterranean.
Yeah, it's key.
Which causes issues with the Bosphorus in Turkey because Turkey controls... Russia's already in a weakened position with that being the case.
ian crossland
Yeah, with Turkey being in NATO, I mean, how do they get through the Bosphorus?
unidentified
Well, so, I mean... That's why they're taking Ukraine so they can go over land.
jack posobiec
If you need to get through the Bosphorus, you know, just because Turkey says no doesn't mean you can't get through.
tim pool
Yeah, I think there was a big issue with that because Russia did it.
No, no, I think the U.S.
did.
Somebody was like, we don't care and just went, and Turkey was like, eh.
ian crossland
Yeah, shipping routes, man.
I think the Suez is also underrated.
I think a big part of why the military buildup in the Middle East that the United States has been doing is to protect the Suez Canal and the shipping.
unidentified
100%.
jack posobiec
But also look at, if you want to go through and actually look at what we can see, not the apocalyptic, you know, version of Greta Thunberg climate change, but the actual climate change effects, that if you look at that Northern Sea route that's opening up across, essentially, the Arctic Ocean, Russia is a clear beneficiary of all of this because you can make it from Dalian, China to Rotenburg, Denmark in like two thirds the time or even half the time that you would take that you would need to go through the South China Sea and then the Suez Canal.
If you cut that all around, that's the reason that Russia knows that going 15 years from now, they're going to be the ones in charge of that northern sea route.
ian crossland
I would advise anyone that's listening to the show to pull up like a map, a Google map, or like some sort of map and follow along.
Yeah, because it's really cool when you type in the names of these places and you can understand geographically what's going on a lot easier.
tim pool
Let's do this too.
I got this story out of UPI.
Russian warplanes violate Sweden's airspace.
Reportedly, Sweden's Air Force dispatched JAS-39 Gripen aircraft in response to two Russian Su-27s and two Su-24s briefly entering its airspace east of Gotland Island in the Baltic Sea.
We also have reports Japan says a Russian helicopter violated its airspace and scrambled fighter jets.
To give you context on the sheer size of Russia, We come over here to where we got Google Earth pulled up.
Here's Japan, right?
That's Russia right here.
There's Vladivostok.
And so you've got these islands.
We're talking about, what, 50 to 100 miles away from Japan.
That's Russia.
If we zoom out and go all the way across Russia over to Europe, check it out.
Not only do you have Moscow right here with Finland, you have Kaliningrad, which is right here.
It's an oblast.
And this is Scotland.
So Russia is massive.
On top of that, let's just go over here and point out the fact that Russia is 50 miles from the United States.
So they got a lot that they're spread out very thin.
It doesn't mean that they can win.
But it does mean that they can reach many different people very, very quickly.
And if Russia has been preparing this for some time, they can easily move troops and armaments into various regions Arguably, very close to many different countries you'd expect to be on the other side of the planet, without anyone knowing, or at the very least, without setting off alarm bells and pissing anybody off.
It's their own country, it's Russia.
So they put troops in the East and the West, and they can effectively be ready to fight on all spheres of the planet.
daniel turner
And one of the things that Jack was just talking about when it comes to the Arctic is, we've been watching the Ukraine build up for a long time, the troop build up on the Ukraine border for a long time.
The Putin's army buildup in the Arctic has been massive.
It gets very little coverage, and the ones who are the most afraid are the Norwegians, because they're not members of NATO, right?
I don't believe they're even part of the EU.
They're the largest oil and gas producer up there, but Russia is saying, no, no, no, this is ours.
The Arctic is ours, right?
And there's a reason why clearly they want the Arctic.
They are building enormous, and have built, enormous LNG ports along their north coast in terms of export LNG now directly to to the world in terms of military force.
jack posobiec
I mean, it's it's it's pretty clear that Russia does have a strong command presence when it comes to the Arctic at this point, the United States, I think only has one icebreaker at this point.
And it's it's always you know, it's kind of in a It's always stuck in the ice.
It's barely, you know, barely works very well.
China has a ton of ice cutters, but of course, China does not have any actual access to the Arctic.
So if China, this is another part of that relationship, this burgeoning relationship that we're seeing between China and Russia.
If China wants access to the Arctic, they've got to go through Russia.
If Russia wants their financial backstop, they need to go to China.
You kick them off swift, well, one belt, one road is right there for you.
But Ian, in answer to your question, if I want to curb these excessive and obviously aggressive and insane behaviors of the Russian government, You know, you can say, all right, we're going to try to put sanctions on Russia.
But obviously, they've priced that into this proposition.
Have we tried putting sanctions or using economic leverage on China, on the oligarchs of the CCP, on CCP leaders, going after them, going after the Yuan, using anything that we can there?
Because obviously, China and the United States do not have a strong trade relationship.
We never really have.
But China and the United States?
Oh, yeah, obviously.
ian crossland
Russia, you said China?
jack posobiec
Excuse me, Russia and the United States.
Russia and the United States.
ian crossland
You think that's just because we don't have sea routes and we're not, right?
Because China and the United States are kind of right next to each other.
I mean, I guess the Russians and the Americans do have plenty of sea connections.
They just don't have much to trade.
What is it?
Why are they not a great trade leader?
They're so massive is what I'm at.
daniel turner
Who, why the Russians, what is an American not trade leader?
ian crossland
Is it just because it's like uninhabitable?
jack posobiec
Most of Russia, most of Russia is uninhabitable that those, the, your, yes,
on a map it's, it's massive, but a lot of that area is, is either unused or
it's not arable or they just don't have the people, the population to, uh, Putin
was trying to hire, you know, uh, farmers for Siberia at one point or like
recruit people to come in and, oh yeah.
ian crossland
Give them a place for free as long as they were on the land.
jack posobiec
Right, they were talking about bringing, you know, the South African farmers up there as a way to, you know, get away from the issues they were facing, the farm murders down in South Africa.
But yeah, for the majority of that area, right, you're really only looking at it in terms of resources.
And when it comes to those resources, as Daniel, of course, would be able to explain much better than me, and knows it better than me, you know, we are competitors in those areas.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's pretty terrifying to think of the 21st century and all those resources in Russia, with the actual amount of power Russia has, which is not that much, and the amount of land they have, which is very, very, very much.
jack posobiec
That's why the currency stuff doesn't hit them the way that we would expect it to, because they still have the resources.
tim pool
But I would disagree when you say they're not that powerful.
They have, what, like 60% of the military capability of the entirety of NATO?
It's substantial.
daniel turner
They have a different type of cow.
More nukes.
Absolutely.
We are their largest customer for fertilizer, right?
Around $800 million a year in fertilizer that now probably we're not going to buy.
What are we going to do?
We live in a rural area.
You're getting ready to harvest in a couple of weeks.
What are you putting on your field?
You need about a hundred pounds of fertilizer per acre.
So if I have a 5,000 acre cornfield, do I just lose the crop so I have to buy it from somewhere else?
So what are corn prices going to do?
Wheat prices have already doubled.
So we're worried about the price of the pump.
And I am.
I'm an energy guy.
I'm worried about the price of the pump.
This November, I can't imagine what food prices are going to be.
And you want to see violence.
ian crossland
Yo, it's already.
daniel turner
Wait till people are hungry.
ian crossland
I might have misheard you.
You said, I thought you said we sell them.
daniel turner
No, we buy from them.
ian crossland
We buy fertilizer from them.
daniel turner
Yeah, no, we buy from them.
And it's disturbing that we buy it.
It's disturbing that we buy so much.
ian crossland
Well, no, it's disturbing that it might get cut off.
daniel turner
It's disturbing that we buy our pharmaceuticals from China.
And that is what I hate about globalism.
Who decided, who's the brain trust that said, let's put these things in the hands of our enemies?
tim pool
Let's just point out how moronic the leadership of this country has been.
Outsourcing to China, then we get COVID.
What does China do?
They have their citizens across around the world buy up PPE and ship it back to China.
We don't make our own medicine.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to outsource to China and then pick a fight with Russia, who is going to be working with China.
So now we're in this position where, like you brought up, fertilizer, but we've also got vitamin C, antibiotics.
daniel turner
Now you get Biden coming out in the State of the Union address being like, We're gonna be investing in these these chips for your computer chips, and he's basically signaling War may be coming and we will lose Taiwan I can and I can verify that first thing you said in case anyone thinks that you're lying Which you never would or you're misrepresenting the truth married to an Australian in November of 19 Andrew said
I was talking to my mom, and he's from a rural town in the Outback, and said, my mom said the weirdest thing happened.
Like, she was at the grocery, and this bus of some Chinese people got off, and they bought everything.
She said, like, what the heck was that?
She said, and then, like, neighbors talk.
This is November of 19, he was saying, it's so weird.
Everyone I talk to in my little town says, a van of Chinese people will show up, and they will buy everything in the store, and it will disappear.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's interesting because we've been talking a little bit about nuclear weaponry and mutually assured destruction.
One thing not a lot of people consider is that biological weaponry is also considered to be a weapon or a form of a weapon of mass destruction.
And China literally created one and released it.
I know that there's still some debate around that technically, but I think it's pretty straightforward.
tim pool
Wow.
seamus coughlin
I would say, yeah, well, it's so lab leak, but if a country accidentally detonated a nuke at another nation, I don't think we would give them a pass because it wasn't intentional.
tim pool
This is, again, to the moronic nature of our leadership, for Fauci to be working in any way with any groups that were working with China.
You are working with a group that despises you.
The Chinese Communist Party does not like us.
They want to displace us.
They've insulted us.
Outright say they want to take Taiwan, they press the South China Sea, they sink Vietnamese ships.
This is not a country we should be like, let's give them more stuff.
Let's give them more access, more resources, more authority.
And it's just the sheer absurdity of the U.S.
picking a fight while giving things away.
It's the craziest thing.
So I suppose the neoliberal idea is that if we build trade lines, we won't go to war.
daniel turner
Well, that was it.
That was Clinton and the Golden Arches.
seamus coughlin
The Golden Arches theory is a version of it.
The idea that two nations that have a McDonald's have never gone to war with each other.
Which is not true.
It's not true now.
It's interesting because it is the case that countries that stop trading with each other are more likely to go to war.
jack posobiec
Libertarians down hard.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but that said yeah, I mean a huge part of this I think it's just indicative of our total inability to defer gratification as a people.
So there's this country that we're trying to pick fights with while at the same time still giving away our resources to them because there's a short-term gain for it in it for us.
We're not actually thinking about a long-term strategy here when they very much are.
ian crossland
I wouldn't say that not trading with a country makes you more likely to go to war with them.
I don't think that's a fair correlation.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's fair.
I'm saying there's... I'm not... Okay, that's fair.
ian crossland
I mean, it's corollary.
seamus coughlin
It's not a causal thing.
jack posobiec
They were saying it the other way around.
That if you trade, then you will not go to war.
ian crossland
It creates a disincentive to go to war.
daniel turner
And this is what we were told in the 90s when we gave China most favored nation status under Clinton.
As they begin to grow and become a trading partner and as they get a taste of our world.
jack posobiec
It will open them up and it will make them more transparent.
daniel turner
And what they did is they polluted capitalism.
seamus coughlin
It's a very bizarre almost Marxist idea that the way we solve people's problems is just by increasing access to resources or building It's very materialistic.
It's an issue of materialism, yeah, so we do see it with hyper-capitalist ideologies
as well, but they meld together very, it's very ironic because people see like hyper-capitalism
and communism as being diametrically opposed, but the reality is this idea that we can solve
people's problems simply through materialism and that they will become more evolved and
better people because their wealth has grown is obviously completely backwards and we're
seeing the effects of that now with China.
daniel turner
Look at what we did in Afghanistan.
We gave them all iPads, but they don't have internet.
It's like, well, there you go.
Congratulations, guys.
tim pool
I think we need the U.S.
government to heavily invest in some kind of public infrastructure for protecting the American people from nuclear war.
Perhaps we could build big underground vaults and we call the company something related that like vault tech.
Vault tech.
ian crossland
Like technology.
tim pool
And we would number each vault.
jack posobiec
In order to communicate, could we have certain armbands?
tim pool
Yes.
jack posobiec
As an example.
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Like a computer?
jack posobiec
Actually, well, I'm... What would you even call something like that?
tim pool
I don't know, like a...
jack posobiec
Now, since the U.S.
dollar is going completely, you know, since the U.S.
dollar is going out of, is being devalued, what could we use as currency in this situation?
tim pool
The most logical answer to that question would be soda bottle caps.
jack posobiec
I can't think of anything else.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's metal.
You can melt the metal down.
ian crossland
It wouldn't make any sense to use ammo.
seamus coughlin
Daniel's like, what is going on right now?
daniel turner
I assume it's a movie or a video game.
unidentified
Fallout.
ian crossland
I don't know what we're talking about right now.
seamus coughlin
I didn't even play.
I just know the lore.
tim pool
I want to point out real quick.
unidentified
I'm old.
tim pool
When Jack said we could wear something on our wrists in Fallout, you have the Pip-Boy, and the Pip-Boy shows your health status.
I'm literally wearing a Wu.
jack posobiec
You're pretty close, yeah.
tim pool
I can pull up my health status and my heart rate and stuff.
jack posobiec
But it doesn't have the graphics.
tim pool
But check it out.
When I was getting sick, the whoop knew I was sick before I knew I was sick.
jack posobiec
Of course.
ian crossland
And so did Google.
jack posobiec
And so did Jeff Bezos.
He gets his daily Tim Pool report.
tim pool
Jeff Bezos is like, he like wakes up and he goes to grab his coffee and then he like opens a tablet and he goes, Oh, Tim's sick.
seamus coughlin
Dude, wouldn't it be hilarious if there was just this long con sabotaging or like this idea of warfare where the companies that own that IP are actually like selling it to China and then China ever so tweaks like, all right, I know this is healthy for him.
We're going to tell him to do the less healthy thing instead of the thing that's more healthy for him because we're going to weaken him as a person.
ian crossland
You'll notice people didn't really laugh when you said that.
That's kind of freakishly possible.
seamus coughlin
Do you think so?
ian crossland
People drive into swamps because their Google Maps tell them to sometimes.
seamus coughlin
No, I think it's possible.
I think it's possible that people would listen to that.
Absolutely.
I'm half joking about this because it seems like such a tiny little thing.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
Before it, guys, before we get too far off this.
So the nuclear plant situation.
The actual nuclear specialists are coming out of the woodwork to say that no, we would not see a Marvel movie-style explosion.
Yes, it is bad.
Fuel could leak.
There could be radiation that comes out of that.
But let's not retweet government pronouncements uncritically.
It is a different kind of reactor than Chernobyl.
You can scram it.
You can do emergency shutdowns.
The concrete shells they have on this thing are capable of being hit by aircraft weighing 20 tons and not going They were not melting down.
And it's, Ian, you and I were just talking about this before, you know, the reason Chernobyl melted down is because they were running a test and the test went crazy.
It wasn't just some random fire that broke out and then it, you know, ignited everything.
ian crossland
And Chernobyl, because it exploded, it shot nuclear fissile material into the atmosphere, I believe, and then it blanketed the area.
tim pool
Right after carbon.
ian crossland
If the corium just melts, it just falls into the earth.
It just falls down and then hits the cement and then melts through the cement and keeps melting through the ground until it cools down.
jack posobiec
So fortunately for everybody out there, you know, crazy as it is, you are not in a situation where this thing could melt down over this.
tim pool
Hey, they turned the chat on, it looks like.
Oh, no.
Okay.
No, they stopped it.
I see.
The stream ended.
jack posobiec
They did have a chat.
tim pool
Oh, they stopped the stream.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Stream ended.
jack posobiec
We'll see if they have a new one.
tim pool
Did they have a new one up?
Yeah.
jack posobiec
But does that have the chat up?
seamus coughlin
Disabled.
tim pool
Chat is disabled.
jack posobiec
Oh, I still have a chat going but maybe it's... They disabled the chat for the nuclear firefight.
seamus coughlin
I can't tell... Can you imagine, can you imagine being able to see the chat?
jack posobiec
The APCs are still there.
The artillery is still there.
seamus coughlin
Can you imagine, like, if we were able to document other historic events like this, if we were able to watch live streams that had occurred of, like, events in World War II and see the chat.
jack posobiec
Pickets charged.
seamus coughlin
And a lot of people were just like, yeah.
ian crossland
I still have a chat on mine.
tim pool
Really?
Oh, you're on a different one.
Yeah, someone else has aggregated a bunch of live feeds.
daniel turner
Hastings.com, like, oh, he's arrived.
jack posobiec
Right.
daniel turner
William's here.
seamus coughlin
Well, I wonder...
jack posobiec
The charge of the Light Brigade.
seamus coughlin
I wonder how much of it would just be like crazy, insane memes too, because I feel like that's what it's going to be today.
tim pool
No, no, it was.
I was talking about this, the Megaminds Ukrainians with massive balls meme, and I'm like, it was a really garbage meme, but you've got intelligence agencies spamming pro-Ukraine propaganda.
It works to a certain degree.
Look at all the people that have put the Ukrainian flags in their Twitter profiles.
I'll tell you one of the things that really triggered the establishment, the lefty activists,
was when I said, I noticed everyone was flying West Virginia's colors.
I was like, it's about time everyone recognized how awesome the state is, because, you know,
West Virginia University uses blue and gold.
They got pissed at me for that.
I was like, why are you so mad?
It's a joke about the colors for West Virginia.
ian crossland
Calm down.
I think they really believe this is like the end of Western civilization.
This is like the beginning of the end of Western civilization.
People have been so freaked out and manipulated by Russia.
I understand the fear of the Soviet Union, communist nuclear missile crisis, but Russia is not the Soviet Union, it's a federation.
You can argue there are a bunch of oligarchs in control over there, as well as you could argue that in America that there are.
And in China, apparently, oligarchs are running the show.
jack posobiec
And in Ukraine.
ian crossland
And in Ukraine.
daniel turner
But I do love what you said, because you have heard that a lot from politicians.
This is an attack on Western civilization.
We have to defend Western civilization.
And the first thing I thought of was if Six weeks ago.
I said something about Western civilization.
tim pool
You would have called me like a white nationalist You know now we love Western civilization again, you see Joe Biden when he said that the people of Ukraine are fighting for their homeland and they're like I have an iron will an iron will and And it was, Lauren Southern pointed this out.
She was like, that was like every racist dog whistle.
That if Trump said that, they would start writing article after article saying it.
So her argument was he was accidentally racist by their own standards.
And she's right.
She's right.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, absolutely.
daniel turner
They just ignored it.
jack posobiec
So you know what they're doing, by the way, with this?
They are going to, I guarantee you, they are going to try to use this nuclear plant situation as a way to get a no-fly zone instituted.
You watch.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
I can see this is where it's going to go.
They're going to turn around and say, you have to institute this because of the recklessness that we're seeing, because of the shelling, and you're going to have to institute a no-fly zone at whatever the cost.
tim pool
And I assure you, in the event that happens, they're going to liken it to Chernobyl.
They're going to say, the risks of another Chernobyl should never be allowed!
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
unidentified
So we are instituting a no-fly zone!
Vladimir Putin, mark my words!
ian crossland
I didn't see Chernobyl the movie, but was it scare tactic or was it accurate?
tim pool
It was a TV show, wasn't it?
jack posobiec
I thought it was fantastic.
I thought it was very well done, actually.
unidentified
But did it scare people into nuclear fear?
jack posobiec
Oh, big time.
Big time.
I mean, if you're someone who's anti-nuclear, that's the movie you want everywhere.
daniel turner
The Fukushima meltdown scared Angela Merkel into canceling her whole country's nuclear reactors.
And you want to say, but Germany doesn't have a lot of tsunamis, Angela.
Like, you shouldn't be worried about that.
Let me tell you, Angela Merkel, if a tsunami hit Germany, nuclear fallout is the least of your problems, right?
You got a lot bigger.
But she shut down the entire country's nuclear program.
Now they're buying LNG from Russia, and they're afraid to sanction that.
Liquid natural gas.
Which is methane.
Yeah.
And because they don't have enough energy.
ian crossland
Are there other natural gases than methane?
daniel turner
No, that's the predominant one, is methane.
tim pool
And if you look at Germany, like the amount of coast they have, it's not that much.
So, you know, where are they shutting down these nuclear power plants?
It's just Greta Thunberg comes out and she said those magic words.
She said, how dare you?
And everyone just collapsed and grasped their hearts and realized how wrong they were.
jack posobiec
For years, we were talking, and Dan, you and I used to talk about this when we were doing One American News, that it was always the Russians that were funding these anti-fracking groups for years.
And if you turn on, so okay, they banned RT, right?
So RT America isn't there.
I think they're still up on YouTube for now.
ian crossland
You can go to RT.com.
jack posobiec
And it was down for a little bit today, actually.
tim pool
Well, no, let's do this.
jack posobiec
But what was interesting, and not to get into the censorship angle, but you could see what Russia's strategic interests were based on the story selection there.
And a huge chunk of their programming was devoted towards green groups, was devoted to anti-fracking, was devoted to this, so that you could watch that and you could say, oh, well, that's something that Russia wants to push.
I wonder why that is.
And then I talked to a guy who understands energy.
daniel turner
But you'd sound like a lunatic if you said that just a couple of years ago.
People were like, oh, take your tinfoil hat.
jack posobiec
Like, oh, he wants to watch RT to find out what the Russians want.
No, doesn't that make sense?
Doesn't it follow?
tim pool
Let me tell you about RT.
We got the story from TimCast.com.
Staff of RT America laid off as network announces it is halting production.
In a memo to its employees, RT America cited unforeseen business interruption events.
Yeah, it could be war.
Let me tell you about Russia Today and Sputnik.
I was at the RT and Sputnik offices in 2016 during the election with Cassandra Fairbanks and the people in that office Every single one save Cassandra was a pro-Democrat, pro-Hillary activist or individual.
They were crying when Donald Trump started winning and then when he won.
People were crying.
jack posobiec
How many rubles were you paid to say that to him?
tim pool
Zero rubles!
jack posobiec
We know from the dossier that the Ukrainians had nothing to do with that Russia wanted Trump to win.
We know this.
tim pool
You look at the content that RT has promoted, the people they've hired, they're anti-war, anti-establishment, and typically leftists.
Like, during Occupy Wall Street, people were like, oh yeah, RT.
Like, I knew a ton of people during Occupy would be like, you gotta watch RT.
Because they were the ones telling the truth about Occupy Wall Street.
Or, another way to put it is, promoting anti-establishment protests in the United States that could potentially destabilize.
ian crossland
I thought RT and Al Jazeera were great sources during the Syrian con when they wanted to go and invade Syria.
I was like, what's really going on?
And people, it was like people like, uh, like Lee Camp.
People like Lee Camp speaking out against the Syrian war on RT.
I don't know if he was on his RT show at that point.
If he had started Redacted Tonight at that point, or if he was still on his first show.
tim pool
Look at this.
Lee Camp.
He's anti-war.
I've known him for a long time.
I always thought of him as more of a lefty guy.
Redacted Tonight was a show on RTS.
Redacted Tonight has been cancelled because the US war machine can't handle the truth.
If you want to follow my work, go to LeeCamp.com.
But not only that, his show on Spotify So let me see.
He retweeted it a while ago.
It's probably on mine.
I don't know if Twitter's going to let me pull it up because I can make me log in.
So here we go.
His podcast on Spotify has been taken down as well, which is insane because I don't think it had anything to do with... Oh, come on.
Are you going to load or not?
Twitter's so stupid.
Let me see if I can pull it up again.
I don't think it's showing anything to do with... There we go.
He says a great deal of anti-war and leftist shows are currently being deleted by Spotify, including my personal podcast, Moment of Clarity.
You can continue to get all of my stuff by signing up for my email list at LeeCamp.com and RadIndieMedia.com My question is, if that's just LeeCamp's personal podcast, which he also has on YouTube, Moment of Clarity, he's got 18,000 subscribers, Why did he get banned from Spotify?
ian crossland
Irrational fear porn.
It's the Russian fear.
tim pool
He was hired by RT?
He's an American citizen!
ian crossland
RT America?
I mean, yeah, technically RT.
I guess he's paying his bills, but that doesn't mean they're telling him what to say.
tim pool
Look at this.
Rachel Blevins, who does not work for RT anymore because RT doesn't exist, is labeled Russian state-affiliated media on Twitter.
jack posobiec
She's never going to be able to get rid of that.
None of these people are.
tim pool
I hope they do.
ian crossland
I mean, oh, this is something I want to talk about Magic Noir.
How long after you commit a crime or some sort of transgression do you have to bear the title of that?
tim pool
Just think about what this means moving forward.
The hysteria.
When they are labeling people as Russians, What happens if this war escalates?
You think internment camps are the question?
seamus coughlin
You would be wrong.
No, of course not.
Especially if, as you said, food's gonna get a lot more expensive and the establishment isn't gonna say that it has anything to do with their irresponsibility in printing trillions of dollars into basing our currency.
It's because of what the Russians are doing in Ukraine.
Blame them.
It's their fault.
And your Russian next-door neighbor, if you happen to have one, is just as culpable as anybody else or more culpable than we are, certainly.
And so, no, it's not out of the question.
ian crossland
When food gets expensive and you have to decide who gets it, then the prisoners are not the ones.
seamus coughlin
Dude, they're going to scapegoat somebody.
I'm not saying it's necessarily going to be the Russians, but they're going to scapegoat somebody for their irresponsibility.
jack posobiec
It's already started.
It's clearly already started.
They're being scapegoated.
They're being scapegoated for the inflation.
If you're from Russia, if you're from Belarus, right?
And I've talked to Belarusians, right?
I've heard from Russians about this.
daniel turner
I heard you're sleeping with a Belarusian.
jack posobiec
It's one way to put it.
They hate this.
They hate this war, but you have to understand they are underneath their regimes, right?
These are not democracies.
You can't actually judge this the exact same way that you would somewhere else, right?
And I don't remember the United States getting completely cancelled, every American cancelled, because of the Iraq war, the Iraq invasion, which was, by the way, yes, unilateral invasion.
Obviously, that doesn't justify the aggression that Putin's doing right now.
But at the same time, you have to look at this and say, look, These people are subjects of their regimes.
They're subjects of authoritarian leaders like Lukashenko, like Putin.
They don't have any way to effectively respond.
Yeah, they can protest and then they all get arrested just like up in, you know, Canada.
You know, another bastion of democracy up there.
And so you're gonna turn around and yet blame all of the people who just want to live their lives.
Who literally just want to live their lives and don't want to be involved in this.
ian crossland
I don't think that our invasion of Iraq and Libya, our current invasion, that we are doing right now, we're invading those countries today, right now, I don't think it justifies the invasion, but it definitely explains it.
jack posobiec
Well, it destroys our moral standing in the world.
And so how can you turn around from a governmental perspective and say, well, we disagree with you doing that when you look at what the United States, by the way, yes, through NATO has done throughout the years, right?
And so when you look at Libya, when you look at Afghanistan, when you look at Iraq, you just go around, you could literally walk place to place to place.
It's nothing but death and destruction other than, you know, the protection of some parts of Europe, which has been Why is someone yelling yeah, what's up, dude?
tim pool
I watched oh, this is this is the live stream.
ian crossland
Okay, this is uh, that's the live stream I watched a video on Uday Hussain last night cuz Rogan I heard him mention he's talking to Majid Nawaz on a show about how horrible Saddam's kids were and I was like, oh, yeah, so Uday Hussain it looks like he was just like daddy's little boy who Saddam beat the hell out of growing up and then I Daddy was like, you can have anything you want, son, anything.
Every video you find of Uday, he's tripping his balls off.
It's like he just takes psychedelics.
It's like he's in a... Dude, and he just beat the... He would just abuse... I mean, the human atrocities... Okay, yeah, this is a little off topic, but America went in saying, we gotta stop human atrocity, and Uday was putting people in, like, bleeding machines.
He was a psychopath, so... But still, the invasion is completely irrational.
tim pool
Let me pull this tweet from Kyle Griffin.
Kyle Griffin, of course, was the MSNBC producer, says the National Association of Broadcasters has issued a statement calling on broadcasters to stop carrying Russian-sponsored programming that's affiliated with the Russian government or its agents.
And what are the responses?
What do you think people are saying?
daniel turner
What are they saying?
Who are its agents?
tim pool
No, they're saying...
Fox is off the air?
Does that include Fox?
Ooh, no good for Fox.
jack posobiec
Right, so who gets labeled a Russian agent now?
Because I remember in the Mueller investigation, during all of Russiagate, everyone was labeled a Russian agent.
Everyone.
lydia smith
Yeah, so this is my prediction.
They're going to start calling all Russians bad, and then they're going to start calling all Republicans Russians.
unidentified
Well, they've been doing that for seven years.
jack posobiec
You're seeing the culmination of that now.
daniel turner
I think National Association of Broadcasters, the CEO of that is still Biden's best friend, Chris Dodd.
I have to look at that.
I thought Senator Dodd was the head of the NAB, which would be interesting.
I mean, every trade association has a former senator.
jack posobiec
Remember the Dodd-Kennedy sandwich?
Yeah, exactly.
daniel turner
That same Chris Dodd.
jack posobiec
That Chris Dodd.
seamus coughlin
It's interesting, um, the way, I mean, we've said this before, the left constantly projects, and so that's part of why they're always accusing everyone else of being racist.
They are extremely obsessed with race and ethnic identity.
That's why they say things like, even if a person isn't white, when they're doing something that favors the system or the patriarchy, they are acting as a white supremacist.
They're acting in the stead of whiteness.
And now with all this going on, of course, it's all Russians, even ones who have absolutely nothing to do with the conflict, even though most of them living in the country had absolutely no ability to make any decision whether Or not.
Ukraine was going to be invaded.
There's uniforms.
Yeah, exactly.
They're all being slapped with this label.
And in the same way that you often see black political commentators who happen to be conservative labeled as white or white supremacists, I agree with Lydia that we're going to see people being labeled as Russian or Russian-adjacent.
Or at the very least that that's very possible.
tim pool
And you've got to look back at History to see what will happen now that we can consider to be a rhyme.
History doesn't repeat in rhymes.
So, um, what could happen now?
Well, freezing of bank accounts.
Already seen it.
unidentified
Yup.
seamus coughlin
Yup.
tim pool
Suspension of, uh, of, uh, accounts through, through other, uh, like, like Airbnb and things like that, other services.
Being totally removed from social media.
They have put a label on Rachel Blevins.
This is creepy stuff.
Maybe they'll change Russian state-affiliated media.
She doesn't work there anymore.
Twitter should remove it immediately.
Lee Camp having his personal podcast deleted for simply having worked for RT in a separate capacity.
ian crossland
It was completely deleted off Spotify.
tim pool
Spotify removed it.
ian crossland
Does he have cop backups?
tim pool
Oh, it's on YouTube as well.
YouTube hasn't taken it down.
But this is where it starts getting really creepy, where they're basically going to start labeling people as like, Lessers or It's like the others.
They're gonna say are you an other was that a black mirror episode?
What was that movie or was that TV show remember?
ian crossland
Do you remember?
tim pool
I don't know if you guys remember that one where people are like, are you an other I think yeah, it was a movie.
Where some guy is like, you know, here's on TV, a politician say something about,
I don't wanna repeat it because YouTube would get mad.
seamus coughlin
I know what you're talking, I think I passed it in and out of the room as you guys were watching this.
It wasn't Black Mirror, but it was a similar anthology series.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, what was it, Creepshow maybe or something?
I don't know.
But it's like the TV, a politician says something about like all others are bad.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's like some new TV show.
tim pool
And literally says all those.
seamus coughlin
It's very on the nose, yeah.
tim pool
Is it Channel Zero maybe?
I don't know.
I watch a bunch of these weird sci-fi things.
And then he goes around and he's like, what was that the other day
when they're talking about the others?
And they're like, why do you care?
Are you another?
And he goes, no, no, I just saw that.
And like, what is that about?
And they were like, you're not defending others, are you?
And he was like, no, no, I just don't understand.
And then eventually, the more he started asking questions about why you're demonizing others, they said, you must be an other.
And he sees like a woman running on the street, screaming help.
And they're just beating the crap out of her.
And he's like, why are you doing that?
And they're like, she's an other.
And he's like, well, stop hitting her.
And they're like, you must be an other too.
That's where we're going.
Russians.
They're going to ban you.
They're going to shut you down.
They're going to put a label on you.
daniel turner
Let me correct myself.
Chris Dodd is Motion Picture Association.
tim pool
They're gonna make sure to make it clear. They are going to make you wear a tag on your social media profiles
identifying you as Russian state affiliated media and 30 years ago Seinfeld
daniel turner
did that skit with the age ribbon Who won't wear the ribbon?
jack posobiec
Hey, I marched!
I marched!
I don't want to wear the ribbon!
Who?
Who does not want to wear the ribbon?
daniel turner
That's where we are now.
jack posobiec
That's where we are now.
The State of the Union and it's and by the way, you know, I look at that stuff and I saw there was like a photo op that they did with this like American Ukrainian flag thing.
daniel turner
I hate what I did today.
I hate that.
jack posobiec
So you're defacing our flag that by the way, that is a defacement.
That's actually the you have changed the face of the flag.
That's where the word defacement comes from, of the flag itself.
In order to do that.
So, you're not actually going to do anything for the people of Ukraine.
You sold them all these weapons, and you provoked Russia.
You talked about them joining NATO, so you lied to them about that.
You sold them this false promise.
Now that Russia is pissed off, they're attacking you.
They've gone completely insane, so they're shelling cities at this point.
They're using artillery on cities.
And Russia's not going to stop, because this is how Russia fights.
And in the meanwhile, instead of, you know, actually helping the Ukrainian people that you promised, you're not going to do that, but you're going to hold photo ops, and you're going to put on lapel pins and put up hashtags as if that's actually going to stop anyone from dying.
tim pool
The show was Electric Dreams.
Thank you for Waffle Sensei.
Yeah, Electric Dreams.
Awesome show, by the way.
That episode, seriously, I talked about it before.
You guys should watch.
It's the last episode.
It's an anthology series.
I thought it was absolutely fantastic.
Like, the otherization of people.
seamus coughlin
Can I ask something here?
Does Twitter do this with people who are affiliated with state media, generally speaking?
Or are they only doing this to people affiliated with Russian state media?
daniel turner
I think they do it with Chinese state media.
tim pool
But do they do it to the BBC?
jack posobiec
No.
tim pool
Or the CBC?
ian crossland
We've got Indian state media.
daniel turner
That's a great point.
ian crossland
There's a lot of Indian state media.
daniel turner
NPR?
tim pool
Well, I think, what does NPR get, like, a microscopic 4%?
daniel turner
Or Al Jazeera?
jack posobiec
All of Al Jazeera is owned by the Qatari government.
Al Jazeera, AJ Plus, all the rest of it.
tim pool
The amazing thing was about the demonization of Russia today, which always confused me, was that Al Jazeera Plus pushed the exact same opinions as RT, for the most part.
jack posobiec
For the most part, yeah.
tim pool
And it was funded by the Qatari government, yet it was never demonized, and I was confused by this.
It was clear the issue was the nation of Russia and not the propaganda of, you know, it's not the messaging of what they're doing, it's the fact that Russia owns it.
So if another channel is state-owned and does literally the same thing, promoting the exact same things, who cares?
seamus coughlin
I just find it very interesting that the elite in the ruling class have absolutely no problem with information being imported into our country that's going to destabilize our unity as a country.
It just bothers them on the basis of who's doing it.
tim pool
Yo, there's some... Yeah, because they're the only ones who want to be able to do it.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, exactly.
It's useful to them.
tim pool
I want to see Joe Biden come out and say, President Zelensky, You have our support, but you must condemn the Azov Battalion.
We will not tolerate neo-Nazism.
I want to see him stand by his campaign message about white nationalism and white supremacy and offer up his support to Zelensky and Ukraine, but condemn the neo-Nazis of the Azov Battalion.
seamus coughlin
Tim, didn't you know the entire reason Joe Biden decided to run for president was Charlottesville?
He's literally been on the record saying that.
That's the entire reason he decided to run for president.
So why isn't he saying something about this?
ian crossland
The Azov battalions, no joke.
Majid Nawaz on the show last night was really trying to hammer this one home.
So what's happening is people from around the world are going to Ukraine to fight with the Azov, and then they're getting radicalized.
And then when this is done, what he sees happening, or what he fears, is that they're going to go back home, newly radicalized, and with all this military training now, and then spread this Nazism around the world.
tim pool
It's the Mujahideen all over again.
It's going to be like the Syrian rebels to ISIS.
You're going to have these people go there, be radicalized, fight for an ideology, and then maintain that.
Or you're going to empower people of radical ideology with military training and capabilities.
And we know where that goes.
But I tell you this, man, history rhymes.
The U.S.
continually does this, and it's almost like they like doing it.
It's good for whatever it is.
I shouldn't even say the U.S., the West.
ian crossland
Halliburton.
tim pool
Yeah, the military-industrial complex for sure.
seamus coughlin
Well, and we know how it works.
Anyone who can be even tangentially associated with the right is a person who we can blame the entirety of the conservative movement for every single thing that they do.
So they're constantly conflating regular conservatives with the far right, with Nazis, etc.
And so if there are these attacks, if Majid's prediction comes true, and I think it's a very interesting and compelling one, Then what's going to happen is you will have neo-Nazis engaging in violence more often because they'll have acquired combat experience.
And then what's going to happen is they're going to say, look at the rise in far-right violence.
Now we need to censor regular run-of-the-mill conservatives because it was them who radicalized people by pushing them down these rabbit holes, which turned them into Nazis.
ian crossland
It's also an excuse to ramp up federal military police when you have internal strife like Nazism on the streets.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
Do y'all know about the Office of Censorship in the United States?
The Office of Censorship was an emergency wartime agency set up in the U.S.
from December 19, 1941 to aid in the censorship of all communications coming into and out of the United States, including its territories in the Philippines.
The efforts of the Office of Censorship to balance the protection of sensitive war-related information with the constitutional freedoms of the press is considered largely successful.
unidentified
Largely successful?
tim pool
Oh, largely successful!
unidentified
Oh, it was amazing!
jack posobiec
Thank you, Wikipedia, for telling us about the successful Office of Censorship.
unidentified
Loose lips sink ships.
tim pool
The fact is, look at that, thanks IkeTheCensors.
Why would we not see the same thing in a World War III scenario?
Or even, maybe we don't even call it World War III.
Maybe we enter into full-scale war with just Russia alone and NATO.
Why would we not see this same effort?
daniel turner
Well, we saw this effort with COVID.
seamus coughlin
Exactly!
I was just about to say, didn't we have the Biden administration pressuring social media companies to remove information that they considered to be misinformation?
tim pool
But I'm saying escalated to the next degree.
daniel turner
The FCC commissioner nominee who is up, I can't remember her name right now, But they're trying to block it.
This is exactly her position.
jack posobiec
We just saw, we just went through two years of understanding what it was that the amount of people that, you know, the critical mass amount of people would go along with.
And they ratcheted things up and they ratcheted things up in the name of crisis, in the name of national emergency.
And they just got, had a huge system-wide test.
Of everything that they could roll out without seeing any meaningful pushback whatsoever.
And in Canada, they're about a year ahead of us.
seamus coughlin
And you know what?
I'll add this, Tim.
Maybe this is a little bit of a black pill here, but I don't think we'd have another Office of Censorship because we don't need one.
ian crossland
Yeah, we already have Google.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
jack posobiec
They just flip a switch.
You're done.
ian crossland
Or Alphabet, rather.
It's even more terrifying.
They have like 13 companies which are like AI.
jack posobiec
We are the Alphabet!
tim pool
Alphabet is the name of the company.
It's funny because we also have the Alphabet Agencies.
ian crossland
It's not a coincidence.
We're kind of like one of those alphabet companies, and they're like, yeah, we are.
Alphabet.
We'll just call ourselves Alphabet.
tim pool
Psychedelics in action.
I wonder if Google was, you know, doing all this really great work and they were like, don't be evil guys.
And then some, you know, some, uh, bureaucratic administrative state walk guy walks in and says, we're taking over.
And the first thing we had to do is guys that, that, that slogan, don't be evil.
We're evil.
Come on.
That's the new model.
ian crossland
They were trying to get rid of a double negative.
When you say don't be evil, people hear evil, evil, evil.
And then they just start thinking it and be, but when you write it and you read it, it interacts with your brain differently than when you hear it.
tim pool
No, Ian.
They're just evil.
ian crossland
Well, that might be true, too.
I mean, it's different people that own the company now.
Like, Larry and Sergey were pretty cool, but man, did that thing get out of hand.
tim pool
Aren't they still in Alphabet, though?
ian crossland
Partially.
I just saw that Sergey sold a bunch of stock last July, I think.
Maybe it was Larry.
One of them sold, like, I don't know how many millions of dollars worth of stock.
tim pool
They want to control what you think.
They need to rally people behind... This is why they got so triggered when I said I despise appeals to emotion.
Because I'm directly calling out what is very obvious propaganda.
Crying translators?
No, no, no.
Hold on there a minute, man.
The job of a translator is to translate.
Why would you hire someone or keep someone on the job if they're crying?
You'd be like, like I said before, you'd be like, oh no, he's crying.
Let's get him into the break room and have some coffee and take a breath and get someone else in there who can do their job, you know, because it's manipulation.
ian crossland
To follow up with what you said, Seamus, like we don't really need an office of censorship.
They closed the office of censorship in 1945 when the war ended, but basically then they started the liberal economic order within like eight months.
And I think they just winded in all that censorship ability into this new spy network of five
eyes or, you know, of a global military industrial complex.
seamus coughlin
I mean, it's interesting because for a long time you had what was it, the three and then
the five major networks that everyone got all of their information from.
And that was wonderful for them because it was very easy to control what people were
seeing and hearing.
And then the internet popped up and now it seemed as if there was a threat.
People could get their information from everywhere.
But fortunately for them and unfortunately for us, a lot of that power has been consolidated
and we're not quite back in the same position, but in some ways we're getting there.
I'm optimistic on some level that we won't quite be able to get back to that, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter if people are too scared to speak the truth, and most seem to be.
ian crossland
Yeah, self-censorship is as effective as forceful censorship in a way.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's interesting.
There have been studies which have suggested that people are better capable or would prefer to endure physical pain over social rejection.
unidentified
Wow.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
And it's psychological suffering.
Well, I know psychological suffering in general.
And so if people feel as if they are being rejected by the group, Or they fear being rejected by the group for stating something.
They're going to be very likely to keep quiet in the same way that they'd be likely to keep quiet if they thought someone would physically aggress upon them for speaking out.
jack posobiec
So this is what the Stasi got into.
You watch The Lives of Others, one of the greatest movies on communist surveillance systems and the programs that they had, people informing each other in East Germany.
So that was the 1960s.
By the 1970s, 1980s, the Stasi wasn't running these massive surveillance programs anymore, and they weren't running these massive incarceration programs the way they do it depicted in that film.
What they ended up doing was they realized that if you were a dissident, if you were someone who was a troublemaker, they had a problem with you.
It's exactly what Shane was just laying out.
First thing they would do is start to ostracize you and then they would start to shame you.
They would smear you in the media, they would drag your name through the mud, they would essentially blacklist you, and they would make it so that the social shame upon everyone else of even associating with you would be enough to destroy you.
And it was actually much cheaper and far more effective than throwing you in prison and making a potential martyr of you.
tim pool
I wonder about this.
How is a show like this possible?
We're literally saying that.
ian crossland
Partly because it's a group of us.
jack posobiec
Winging a prayer.
daniel turner
Haven't you had the SWAT team come like five times?
I mean, so how is it possible?
It is possible for now, but look at the forces trying to shut it down.
jack posobiec
I still feel like we're in the prelude.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with a large enough group of people communicating these ideas makes it hard to stop the idea.
If it's one person alone in their room on a webcam, then you know, you get swatted.
jack posobiec
You gotta get up and go answer the door.
That's why when I see censorship, I do speak out against it, even if it's someone I don't particularly agree with or don't particularly like or support.
The idea that one person or one entity just has this ability to blanket wipe out all communications, right?
That's actually a much bigger issue than some idiot on a podcast that I don't listen to.
ian crossland
Yeah, the vulnerability of our system isn't talked about enough.
From comet strikes to floods to earthquakes to volcanic super eruptions to just a power outage from a solar flare.
jack posobiec
For example, you're seeing these stories that Google and Apple Pay are shut down in Russia.
And so suddenly, because they went cashless, now people are saying, wait, how do I get on the subway?
How do I pay for things in stores?
How do I do this?
And so we've outsourced all, you know, if you're signed up for all these things, now you're outsourcing your very ability to function in society to Silicon Valley.
So that gives them that.
I mean, this is, we're talking about sovereign power.
unidentified
We can never go cashless.
daniel turner
We can never go cashless.
We can never go.
I mean, that has to be within our DNA as, as like a fight to the death.
We can never be a cashless society.
ian crossland
So you think we need some sort of federal power that gains that currency valuable?
daniel turner
I think you need a physical, not necessarily cash, but I think we have to have a system that you can have a physical commodity that I can hide under my bed.
Because if Jack doesn't like me, and he's able to call the guys who own Apple Pay and say, shut down his account, if I can't go to the grocery store, if I can't buy things, if my credit, quote-unquote, is stuck in my phone, and my phone is useless because Jack doesn't like me, That I'm a powerless, I have no agency left.
jack posobiec
You're lucky I like you.
seamus coughlin
You're lucky.
I want to add a caveat to something I said earlier.
I wanted to pull up information about what I referenced.
What I was referencing, it's not a study about social rejection versus physical pain.
There's two articles I'm looking at here.
But basically the idea is that they have shown that we process social pain in the same part of the brain that we process physical pain with and there's also a very interesting
perspective from Psychology and psychologists. I I'm not sure if it's the
consensus or not But basically that
Emotional pain is in many ways worse than physical pain because it can be triggered by memories in a way that
physical pain cannot so for example
I can remember something from the past that hurt me or was difficult for me and
The emotional trauma of that can sort of return whereas if I remember a physical injury
I'm not going to literally feel that physical pain in quite the same way
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Yeah, emotional pain can make you, like, adopt a posture, which can then bring on a certain sort of tension leading to injury.
daniel turner
Unless you dream it.
Have you ever dreamed, had a dream where you have physical pain and you wake up and like something hurts?
I do this to me all the time.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
jack posobiec
Yeah, all the time.
ian crossland
If you're ever in a dream and you want to get out, close your eyes really tight till they hurt.
And then when you open them, you'll be awake.
jack posobiec
Getting some, so I found an account that has some backstory on how this nuclear power plant situation started.
So apparently they're saying that, and again, caveat, caveat, caveat, right?
Fog of war, fog of war, granite salt, blah, blah, blah.
that they're saying that the Russians rolled up and demanded that the power plant surrender and that the
defenders of the plant surrender.
They said, we have overwhelming force. You should surrender.
You should stand down so that we can take over this plant and do so peacefully.
The defenders refused. And that's when the firefight started.
ian crossland
Wow. So those were Russian soldiers on the ground.
jack posobiec
So it was Russian soldiers on the ground, and it looked like there were defenders.
And if you look at that clip that a few people have pulled out of that livestream, it looks like you can actually see tracer fire rounds being fired from the roof at the Russian artillery.
ian crossland
Okay.
And then, so was there incoming artillery?
jack posobiec
Well, the artillery's on the ground.
ian crossland
Right next to the power plant?
jack posobiec
Yes.
ian crossland
Oh, are they firing that artillery at the power plant across the street?
jack posobiec
Well, at the defenders.
ian crossland
Wow, that close range?
jack posobiec
Yes.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
That's insane.
jack posobiec
Yeah, that's what you're seeing in the video.
ian crossland
Okay.
I thought stuff was coming from out, and then I thought I saw missiles flying outward from there, but that wasn't what I was looking at.
jack posobiec
No, those are just shells.
lydia smith
Okay.
So we actually just watched a battle take place in real time.
jack posobiec
Yes, we did.
lydia smith
That's kind of amazing.
jack posobiec
Yes, we actually did.
tim pool
A modern siege even.
I remember a couple modern feats of social media.
The first was when the Al-Qassam Brigades in Palestine were firing rockets into Israel and the IDF and the Al-Qassam Brigades were tweeting at each other in a flame war during a hot war.
And a lot of people were actually laughing because it was like, You know, Al-Qassam was like, we will wipe you out, and the IDF was like, try it, we'll stop you, and I'm like, they're tweeting at each other.
But then there was, in the Middle East, we got video, a GoPro attached to a tank.
And the soldiers who were shooting back at it or being fired upon were also, they also had GoPros.
And so the footage made it to the internet where researchers were able to find both perspectives and put it in a single video where you could see both sides of a conflict online.
Crazy stuff.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Could you hear both the voices of the people from either side?
jack posobiec
You couldn't hear anything from the tank because the camera's outside and the people are inside, but you could hear the people on their Well, have you seen the Chechens and the Azov leaders are now sending are cutting videos about each other about talking about essentially how they're gearing up for this massive fight in Mariupol?
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
And so that those are your kind of your considered your most brutal fighters on either side.
I mean, and for Azov, I mean, you can find very quickly, videos of Azov committing beheadings, committing crucifixions of ethnic Russians.
Chechens, I think, goes without saying, extremely, extremely brutal.
Or if you know anything about the Battle of Grozny or the Chechen Wars.
And so the leaders of Kartarov, who is the leader of the Chechens, is now coming in.
He's pro-Putin, fighting for the Russians, going in, specifically targeting that Azov battalion.
And some of the messages I was getting from a contact that I have that's active duty right now, was that they were, you know, possibly trying to get Azov to at least surrender.
And they were saying, hey, if you we just want the city, we don't need we don't need to kill all of you just leave and we'll let you go out to the West.
Well, you can go to Lviv, we won't even, you know, we will let you surrender and just just evacuate.
And of course, Azov was saying no.
ian crossland
We saw a video, Azov, a member of the battalion, dipping bullets in pig's lard.
jack posobiec
Right.
ian crossland
And then saying we're going to get the... because a lot of Chechens are Muslim.
And that's also very concerning because it brings... Habib!
jack posobiec
...religion into it, which... From UFC.
Habib, the greatest... He's like a governor.
ian crossland
Isn't he a mayor or something?
No, I'm thinking of a... You're thinking of the two brothers, right?
Yeah, there's an MMA fighter that's like a mayor of a city in Russia right now.
Russia?
Klitschko?
That's Ukraine.
jack posobiec
And they're boxers.
ian crossland
I got a third right.
jack posobiec
Thanks.
ian crossland
They're fighters of some sort and they're somewhere over there.
daniel turner
You should write speeches for Joe Biden.
These are the facts.
jack posobiec
The brave Uranian people.
tim pool
That was hilarious.
jack posobiec
The Iranian people.
ian crossland
The Iranian people.
By the way, I noticed you guys mentioned, called it a State of the Union.
I can't, in good faith.
It's a campaign speech.
At the end, he did say the State of the Union was strong, and it's strong because the people are strong.
unidentified
Strong!
jack posobiec
Technically, you could argue it was a State of the Union because at the very end... You notice, nobody's actually, nobody's even questioning why Putin is doing this now.
Have you noticed that?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
jack posobiec
Everyone kind of gets it.
It's so true.
That narrative isn't even, the narrative is, okay, you can ask why is he doing this, right?
And I think there's a lot of Clearly a huge debate on that, and he's not been very clear about it.
In some ways, you know, he has his stated purposes, but we think there's probably some more than that.
But nobody's asking why now.
Everybody kind of gets that, yeah, this is the time.
seamus coughlin
Well, he actually, so what happened was Biden pulled him aside and really intimidated him and made it very clear that there would be repercussions if he tried to take the hearts and minds of the Iranian people.
So Putin said, all right, I won't.
ian crossland
Did he whisper into your ear?
seamus coughlin
He whispered, come on man, don't do it.
I want to mention this too, Ian, your point about it being more of like a campaign speech, I completely agree, which is why we just released a cartoon about this today for Freedom Tunes.
If you guys want to check that out, I just want to plug that because that's very much along those lines.
ian crossland
When he said he was going to help cure, what did he say, he was going to cure cancer?
seamus coughlin
He said we're going to end cancer as we know it.
What are you talking about?
tim pool
As we know it.
They're gonna change definitions.
seamus coughlin
He's gonna do gain-of-function research.
tim pool
He's gonna change the definition of the word.
unidentified
He's like, so I fulfilled my promise, called up Merriam-Webster and said, you know, put another word in there and now it's different as we know it.
Different word.
seamus coughlin
He was talking about astrology cancer.
tim pool
He was talking about these people, oh man, I just can't stand the cancer.
daniel turner
When I think people who hate Trump, and there's people who dislike him, I think when they would hear Trump tell a story, I can imagine what their reaction was, like this guy, he's so full of himself, he's such an idiot, blah blah blah.
When Biden told that story, I looked at Putin and I said, I don't think you have a soul.
And he looked at me and said, we understand each other.
unidentified
Did anyone believe that that actually happened?
daniel turner
So Trump tells a story, and they're over the top, and they're silly.
Biden tells a story, and even his supporters are like, yeah, dude, that didn't happen.
unidentified
Putin was a bad dude.
ian crossland
Putin was asked about that.
unidentified
I said, hey, Esther.
I said, hey, Putin, get off the diving board, or I'll come and drag you off.
ian crossland
In an NBC interview with Putin, they asked him about that, and he was like, I don't remember.
It was a diplomacy thing, so he insulted me like that.
I don't know why he did that.
seamus coughlin
That's just like a weird thing to say.
unidentified
Joe Biden's like, Vladimir Putin was banging the razor blade on the curb.
Get it rusty.
Put it in a barrel.
Bang this nuclear weapon on the curb.
seamus coughlin
Get it rusty.
unidentified
Put it in a barrel.
We'll also like call them Esther Williams or something.
seamus coughlin
I just, I find it hilarious that with Trump, Trump is like, if you touch the Ukraine, I will nuke Moscow.
Like a very real concrete threat.
unidentified
And Biden's like, You don't have a soul, man.
What does this mean?
Joe Biden thinks I have no soul.
Let's take Ukraine now.
Oh no, Joe Biden will not like me if I do this.
daniel turner
Putin's like, I've never had a soul.
I'm glad you recognize that.
tim pool
Putin, like Biden says that, you ain't got a soul, man.
Then he walks away and Putin, confused, looks over to like Sergey Lavrov and says, he says, I have no soul.
And he goes, yes.
Let's take Ukraine.
seamus coughlin
No, exactly.
Do you, but do you, do you like, what an unbelievably insane thing for him to ever, even if he did say that, do you think that, um, do you think that somebody on the international stage wants their enemy to think they have a soul?
Do you want to be seen as a bleeding heart type?
ian crossland
No.
daniel turner
I mean, Biden does.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
It's just so ridiculous.
unidentified
It's like, oh, this is so bad for public relations.
seamus coughlin
People will think I am not nice guy.
tim pool
This would make a good four panel comic.
jack posobiec
Which actually would be the downfall of Putin inside Russia.
seamus coughlin
If people didn't think he was a nice guy.
tim pool
This would make a good four panel comic.
jack posobiec
If everybody was a nice guy.
tim pool
A good four panel comic would be like Trump saying, I'll nuke Moscow and Putin looking to Lavrov and being like, let's hold back for a minute.
Then Biden saying you have no soul and he'll be like, okay, we're good.
seamus coughlin
No, it's only like Trump gives a direct threat of violence and Biden's like, you're mean, man.
ian crossland
Don't attack me in my vulnerable spots, which are here, here and here.
seamus coughlin
He's like, hey man, it'd be really mean if you did this.
tim pool
Biden actually did that.
unidentified
He's like, you ain't got a soul, man.
tim pool
So I'm going to show you a list of all the places you better not attack.
There you go.
Just that one's most important.
unidentified
I trust you.
tim pool
That's crazy.
jack posobiec
It's a fundamental risk misreading of this, you know, and you can dig into some of the philosophical aspects of this where, you know, when you look at the United States in, in many ways, at least in terms of how our regime is positioned, you know, we are, it's, it's Athens and Sparta, right?
So we are the sea power, you know, we want commerce, we want trade, we want these sort of globalized rules.
We want to be able to do business with the rest of the world.
Whereas Russia.
Predominantly is a land power.
They are a land based power.
We were just talking earlier about how they have so many issues for them to be able to, uh, get to see.
So they have that, that mindset of strength over everything, um, power over everything might makes right.
Um, and it does have a deeper sense of cultural traditionalism, whereas in the U S it is this more, you know, sort of progress, you know, small P progressivism of this enlightened, Oh, we can always be better.
We can rise above.
Right.
These are two very, these are two ideas that are in not only philosophical contention, but spiritual contention as well.
And I think if we fail to understand that, we are completely misreading the situation.
Not only, and Bill Roggio had a great article about how we've completely misread Russia's strategy in the war.
I think that's obvious, but at this point, right, Russia isn't losing just because they didn't take Kiev in the first 24 hours.
But I think we completely misread the way Russian leaders are, even just even the way that they think.
So if you can't understand how or appreciate how your adversary thinks, how can you ever attempt to get ahead of their decision cycle, get inside their OODA loops, or even predict their future moves?
seamus coughlin
It's so true.
Lawrence Southern made a great point about this yesterday when referring to China or two days ago.
We have no idea how the Chinese think, but they know exactly how we think, because they go to the UN and say the United States of America is racist and they don't care about black lives.
We know China doesn't care about minorities.
China, in order to sell the new Star Wars film in China, they had to reduce the size of a black actor on the poster.
They don't care.
ian crossland
I get messages from time to time from Chinese citizens that are like, CCP is not China.
So if you really want to understand Chinese, read The Romance of the Three Kingdoms, or watch the movie and then read the book.
daniel turner
Yeah, but I think I know what you're saying, and I agree with you a hundred percent, but I would go even a little further.
Right now in America, it is not just like we have a small P progressivism.
It was not long ago that the American flag on a Nike sneaker caused uproars.
So not only do we have a progressivism, we are intentionally, led by this administration, quite frankly, or the progressive left, we are intentionally destroying the pillars of our foundation.
And the smallest things, and we've talked a lot about this on the show, the smallest things that unify us, like the national anthem, Well, you should be able to protest that.
And this little moment, well, that should be up for debate.
And George Washington, maybe we should change the name of the school.
So I think if you're Putin, and this is not, you know, shilling for him at all, don't get me wrong, but if you are him and his administration and Russian power, and you look at the West and say, they don't even respect their George Washington.
Why are we afraid of these people?
Right?
Like, we changed the name of Abraham Lincoln School in California.
seamus coughlin
Do you think maybe it's possible that Xi Jinping feels threatened by how introspective we are?
lydia smith
No doubt.
daniel turner
And how diverse our army is.
tim pool
Yeah, that was it.
jack posobiec
Wait till he sees our diversity training.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
daniel turner
All of our soldiers are doing TikTok videos.
tim pool
That's why Russia invaded.
Russia saw the threat of the West, diversity trainings, and he was sweating bullets and he was like, we have to invade now before it's too late.
Once they all learn about diversity, inclusivity, and equity, We're done.
jack posobiec
What you're seeing is so we've we've become quite decadent in in this sort of 30 years since the fall of the Soviet Union, this idea of Fukuyama's, you know, end of history and everyone's going to adopt.
So instead of thinking that our values were Western or that they were derived from the Bible, that they're, you know, Greco Roman, Legal practice, European law, et cetera, principles, enlightenment, all of that.
No, no, no.
We decided that these were universal principles and that we could go on these nation building projects around the world and that we could impose our way of thinking on everyone because our way of thinking was natural.
And we don't even need all this history as you're describing to back it up that we've, you know, that we've advanced from or that we've developed from.
No, no, no, no, no.
These are just the universe of values.
And our job now is to proselytize the world and evangelicalize them To our way of thinking.
So the first place, of course, that we're going to try that is Afghanistan, right?
Because, you know, we're going to turn, you know, Kandahar into California.
And we never once sat back and thought, you know, maybe the rest of the world doesn't want those things.
Maybe they don't think that way.
And so that's why you're seeing now, instead of actually focusing on the things that would make our country strong, like energy, strong currency, we do need a strong U.S.
dollar, by the way.
If the U.S.
dollar falls off its perch, that's really going to be bad for a lot of Americans.
Because I think that a lot of the people out there that are living paycheck to paycheck, that don't have a lot of savings, you know, you always see those studies out there, and I'm sure it's much worse now about how many people have less than, you know, $5,000, $2,000 in their checking accounts.
What happens to them when that checking account becomes completely worthless overnight because the U.S.
dollar loses its World Reserve status?
ian crossland
They'll print like another $8 trillion and try and just give everyone $4,000 to get them to flow for two more months.
jack posobiec
So you're seeing now a complete reworking of the world order and that's why even as horrific as these scenes are that are coming out of Ukraine, The long-term implications of this might actually be worse.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Because unipolarity is gone.
The international rules-based order is gone.
Multipolarity is returning.
That's going to be a huge problem for us.
Because remember, even, you know, we talk about the SWIFT system.
Okay, let's, you know, pull the nuclear plan and kick Russia off the SWIFT system.
Well, the SWIFT system only works because it's backed by the U.S.
dollar.
If Russia is already planning to get off the dollar, then they don't need it.
seamus coughlin
Well, isn't it interesting how we like to play philanthropist and act like we are exporting Western values around the world and helping people live better lives because we care about the downtrodden, when in many circumstances it's either militaristic intervention or economic bullying to force our way of life onto other people, even in countries where they're not ready for it.
Or, ready for it is the wrong term, because some of the things that we try to import into these countries aren't things people should ever be ready for.
I find it fascinating, and I don't think it's a coincidence, that the intellectual founders of neoconservatism were former Marxists.
And look at the neoconservative mission.
Look at what we tried to do in Afghanistan.
Oh, we're going to completely and fundamentally restructure a culture at the barrel of a gun.
And this country, this entire nation, With a history that we don't even care to understand is going to bow before the order we have determined is the culmination of history, which is how they conceptualize democracy now instead of Marxism as neoconservatives, because we ordered them to at the barrel of a gun and were able to restructure their thinking.
ian crossland
It's crazy, dude.
I watched... I was looking at a picture of the bath party, Saddam Hussein's bath party, and you just see these young frat boys.
It's too long of a conversation to go into now.
Check it out, though.
Saddam Hussein bath party image, and you see Saddam as a young, rambunctious youth.
That guy was a nut.
daniel turner
Well, the thing that I find bizarre about this whole conversation from the 30,000-foot level, especially, are we invading, do we not invade, what is the role of NATO, etc., etc., it was not very long ago that, like, a million and a half Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda slaughtered each other with a machete, and the West just sat there and watched it and said, wow, that's bad.
I mean, like, literally over a million five hundred thousand, and the majority of them were hacked to death.
And we just sat there and were like... With Chinese machete.
That's bad.
But there was... So I don't understand... Should we intervene when there is evil happening?
As a philosophy, I understand that position.
But we're ready to jump into the Ukraine, but no one wanted to go to Rwanda.
So what's the difference?
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chats.
If you haven't already, smash that like button, nuke the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show if you really like it, and head over to TimCast.com.
Become a member because we're gonna have a members-only segment up around 11 or so p.m.
where we go into more details on conflict, crisis, and other stories.
So this is where we're gonna be a bit more crass, and it's the uncensored show.
Let's read some of these Super Chats.
We have this from Scarlet.
Yeah, don't do that.
Scarlett, wait, no Scarlett to Joe Nancy. Okay.
Tim, what advice do you have for me? I want to go undercover and report on the ground.
I know it's dangerous. What should I bring with me?
I have no advice for you other than don't go.
jack posobiec
Yeah, don't do that.
tim pool
Yeah, don't.
In order to enter conflict zones of this degree, you need a lot more experience.
So, um...
jack posobiec
Have you seen the Reddit threads, by the way?
tim pool
Of people like I'm going?
jack posobiec
There's a whole subreddit of, I think it's Ukraine volunteers or something.
One guy was like, and I'm sure there's trolls in there, of course, but one guy was like, Hey, are you allowed to bring weed into Ukraine?
Cause I have this bong that I got, but I don't want to break it.
ian crossland
It's got residue in it.
jack posobiec
These stories.
tim pool
Maybe those people should go.
jack posobiec
Basically like this, if you have to ask a question on the internet to somebody else about whether or not I should go, don't go.
ian crossland
Or join the military.
I don't know, from your advice, if someone's questioning joining the military.
jack posobiec
Go help refugees.
If you want to go and do something good right now and you don't have that training, go to Poland right now, help out with the refugees.
Send money to the charities that are then the NGOs that are stream be there.
tim pool
There's a lot of people or join focus groups You know scarlet Joe says go undercover the That sounds like a death.
jack posobiec
Please don't try to go undercover.
tim pool
Yeah, because no just do not do that undercover is if you are not easily identifiable You look like an enemy combatant.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
Or a spy.
A spy or a risk, especially someone not from Ukraine.
If you're walking around, they need only do one thing.
A guy in a military suit will shout out a sentence in Russian or Ukrainian.
And when you go, uh, spy, that's it right there.
So I had this happen when I was in Ukraine.
Oh, I love this too.
The young Turks were like smack talking me because they just love talking about me.
seamus coughlin
You live rent-free up there, buddy.
I mean, with real estate prices right now, you can't beat that.
tim pool
I appreciate the PR they give me, but I love the commenters.
seamus coughlin
What do you mean, PR?
Their channel's so much... I mean, how many views did they get?
tim pool
50,000 views.
Trillions.
seamus coughlin
Okay, that's what they're doing.
They're doing better than me.
tim pool
I put my name in people's minds.
And people were commenting like, I'd love to see what Tim would do if he was in Ukraine.
I was like, I was there when this was starting in 2014, when they were ousting Yanukovych.
ian crossland
Were you there as it happened?
tim pool
I was not there as they ousted Yanukovych.
I had left just before that.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
But I was there as they were building the barricades and the Soviet, there's a Soviet general who came in and like, he was in a tent.
It was cool to talk to the guy.
I didn't speak Ukrainian or Russian, but we had a translator.
And simply walking in, I got surrounded by a bunch of Ukrainians yelling at me and the guys working with me.
And I was just like, American journalist.
And then someone came and intervened and started speaking to them in Ukrainian.
And then they made the way and let us in.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
They liked journalists.
seamus coughlin
What is under beanie?
Show us what is under beanie.
unidentified
Never.
tim pool
Understand this.
The Maidan protests, they called it Euromaidan, they were very pro-West.
So when they heard American journalists was there, they were like, this is what we need to get support from the West.
We need Americans here.
And so they were like, oh, oh, oh, this is exciting.
But it was ridiculously dangerous.
There was sniper fire, people were getting shot.
I was not there for that.
I had left, I had come back, and I was fortunately not there when it got really bad with the Molotovs.
But I got to go and witness the collapsed Lenin statue.
People had like taken fragments of the statue.
They took his head and his hand.
I got to go into a Ukrainian government building that had been totally seized and occupied and ransacked.
jack posobiec
By the way, the only coup that was worse than that, of course, was January 6th.
tim pool
Yes, but I want to stress this point.
By the time I had left and had devolved into full-scale urban conflict, I was not there.
Why?
I am not a war reporter.
I do civil and urban conflict, which means up until that point, I was like, that's my limit.
I've been on the ground in numerous countries.
I rode in the back of this truck in Thailand during the Yellow Shirt, you know, Red Shirt Monarchist and Parliamentarian protests and there were bloodstains on the ground because someone in a motorcycle drove by and threw a grenade into it.
We got in it after they scrubbed it clean, and then we rode down the street wearing body armor and helmets like, these are the vehicles that get attacked.
That was the extent to my capabilities in a conflict zone.
When it comes to what's happening now in Ukraine, I don't have the experience, the skill, nor the courage to be in a firefight.
jack posobiec
Which, and by the way, if you're thinking, I mean, I shouldn't even say this, but if you're thinking, I'm going to go by myself, right?
Right.
You're already right.
Yeah.
Just, Anne Hall, you're already wrong, right?
You are not going to be going.
You're, and not only that, by the way, you're not going to be a help to yourself or others.
You're going to be a detriment to others.
You're going to be a detriment to people you're trying to help.
You're going to be a hindrance and you are going to get probably yourself killed.
And a lot of other people killed if they're trying to save you.
tim pool
Know your limits, man.
jack posobiec
I'm just going to say this.
Telling people to go and throw Molotov cocktails and run up in civilian clothes against a professional military with mechanized armored vehicles with 14 millimeter, 30 millimeter cannons, right?
We've, you've seen the videos, right?
I'm sure we've all seen the videos now where the, the entire tree, people tried to hide
behind trees because I thought this was like a Marvel movie or something and that the trees
would protect you from cannon fire.
No, it's not going to work.
Everyone was killed, right?
Just understand where you are.
tim pool
There's a reason why I don't know about that, but there's a reason why I stayed only in
Ukraine for so long before leaving.
There's a reason why I can do what some people criticize as parachute journalism to an extent.
When it came to the high-level warfare, The journalists that go in after me speak five languages.
They're fluent in Russian, they're fluent in Polish, they're fluent in Ukrainian, and several other romance languages as well.
So they go on the ground and they can communicate with anyone who approaches them.
daniel turner
And that keeps them alive.
They probably already have a network established, right?
I mean, they had plans for this and they have safe houses.
tim pool
These are people, so the journalists that, you know, eventually they go in that I remain in communication with as I leave.
These are people who have already lived in the region.
They've lived there for two or three years, or they're from there.
When you see a reporter on the ground, there are corporate... I don't like these kinds of journalists that have big security crews.
They go into secured zones and then just talk to the camera.
It's fine.
Okay, that's not what I'm referring to, but actual war correspondents.
When I went to Thailand, I was sent with a guy who lived in Thailand for five years and who spoke Thai.
They were like, it's, you know, we're in this lull period where we can have you go in and produce an English-speaking, like, experience of what's going on.
If it gets too hot, you come back out.
We keep our crews on the ground who are war correspondents trained with high-powered rifles, with body armor, military tactics.
A lot of the journalists that go on the ground in these situations are former military as well.
People need to understand that it's not... These people on Reddit who are like, we're going!
It's like, that...
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
After Vietnam, has there been any legit war correspondence from the United States Press Corps?
Like, you put the body cameras on troops and you want to show the reality of what they're going through.
jack posobiec
I mean, you had people in the Iraq War, in Syria, in Afghanistan.
You certainly had people.
ian crossland
I remember they were just riding on tanks through the desert.
jack posobiec
Michael Hastings.
Michael Hastings.
tim pool
Let's read some more Super Chats, though.
We've got, uh, MJ says, I work in nuclear.
As long as they don't hit the reactor, uh, building, coolant supply pumps, or the off-site power lines, they will be able to stabilize the reactors with no risk of meltdown.
Well, there you go.
We got, let's see, it says, Dan Brockman says, Tim, the collision of COV ammo in that pig lard video is far more likely, uh, it's far more likely it's 5, uh, 5.45 by 39, not 7.62 by 39.
Study the AK-74, you silly man.
Love y'all.
Not seven six two by thirty nine study the ak-74 you silly man. Love y'all. I stand corrected
You see you see the video Yeah.
Did you see what kind of ammo they were loading?
seamus coughlin
I can't believe you spread that fake news.
tim pool
I gotta be honest.
I didn't look.
All I saw was what it looked like and I assumed it was 7.62.
daniel turner
Misinformation.
jack posobiec
I mean, that is the predominant round that you're going to see in this 7.62 with AKs.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Right.
That's what I thought.
tim pool
I thought they were using AKs, but he's at AK-74, so that uses the smaller round.
jack posobiec
Uh, some variants of it do.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
So, it's funny when I show people bullets.
I love showing people bullets, because you ask them which one's the weapon of war, and I'll show, like, I'll show a polymer-tipped .450 Bushmaster, which is huge, and then I'll show, like, a 9mm Luger or something, and then they're just like, oh, and they point to the big one every time.
But sometimes, some people are like, you're tricking me, it must be the small one, and I'm like, yeah, you know why?
You can carry more of them.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
Like, hunters go out with, like, three, you know, three rounds of .450.
daniel turner
What if the deer is wearing Kevlar?
tim pool
Who said that again?
Oh man.
seamus coughlin
Wait, who said that?
daniel turner
Biden.
seamus coughlin
Oh, good for him.
That's brilliant.
Well, then I'll call Jim Eagle and we'll go to the Field of Dreams and get $130 from Pat.
jack posobiec
But don't forget Binger.
Explosive tipped holopoints for hunting.
All right.
tim pool
Let's grab Super Chat here.
My contacts are getting all jerky.
It's getting hard for me to read.
unidentified
Come on, man.
tim pool
Clayton Johnston says, as someone who has worked a few outages at nuke plants, the transmission substation would be a main and likely the primary target in a power plant unless they are attempting to cause a meltdown.
Bad idea to fight there.
Unless they want to.
GBP says if the narrative that Putin wants the USSR back is true, it wouldn't make sense for him to attack the most valuable and volatile infrastructure, ruin the land, and then cause yourself further problems.
That's true, too, and that's why if you could win a war without firing a shot, propaganda and influence, you would.
My view on this is the West and Russia are already at war.
The West is playing a propaganda-influence war, and Russia's in a third-generational hot conflict.
So Russia clearly was losing.
They knew it.
They said, time for bolts.
The West is like, we're not going to go and fight, but they use every manipulative cyber tactic in the book to try and win.
And what happens?
The children of Russian politicians and oligarchs are begging for the war to end.
jack posobiec
When you also see that the US is providing, and I don't think this comes as a surprise, but You know, I think it's been publicly acknowledged now.
I saw Zero Hedgehog, the article that the U.S.
is providing real-time intelligence to Kiev.
ian crossland
Wait, you said that these children want the war to end?
These are the hot models of Instagram?
tim pool
The children of government officials in Russia.
ian crossland
That part I had missed earlier.
tim pool
Okay.
ian crossland
I didn't know they were calling for it to end.
That's interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, they were saying, we don't support this.
We don't want war, no war, all that stuff.
daniel turner
Jack pronounced it Kiev, I thought it was Keeve.
ian crossland
It got changed!
It used to be K-I-E-V, now it's K-I-Y-V, or K-Y-I-V?
tim pool
I've only noted it as K-Y-I-V, but that's because... It's a Ukrainian spelling.
ian crossland
It used to be K-I-E-V, Kievan Rus.
tim pool
So, it used to be, people used to say the Ukraine.
jack posobiec
Well, it's neither because it's Cyrillic.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
People used to say the Ukraine, but it's just Ukraine.
jack posobiec
No, it's Ukraine, which means the borderland.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I catch myself saying the Ukraine a lot, and I'm wondering where I got that.
jack posobiec
Well, Ukrania, so the root of that is granitsa, which means border.
So, Ukrania is at the border.
Or, you know, interpreted would be the borderland.
So, if you're speaking in Ukrainian or Russian or Polish, you're saying the borderland.
tim pool
But go to Ukraine and say the Ukraine and see their reaction.
No, they just correct you because it's like, no, we're not the, we're just Ukraine as a country.
Say Ukraine did this.
Not the Ukraine did this.
daniel turner
The Netherlands or The Hague.
There's a couple of the's.
The Bronx.
ian crossland
The United States.
unidentified
Yeah, so it's like these United States.
seamus coughlin
I don't think there's any England.
jack posobiec
I don't think there was any, um, you know, any negative connotation by calling it the Ukraine.
It was just sort of, it's racist.
tim pool
It's just racist.
jack posobiec
The idea was they're all the same race.
tim pool
What I was told by people is that I am Slavic.
seamus coughlin
So I can say it.
Listen and learn, it's racist.
tim pool
What I was told by people in Ukraine was that by calling it the Ukraine, you are saying the people who live on the border as opposed to their national identity of Ukrainians.
So saying Ukraine does this, you're saying their name is a proper noun as a people when you're saying, you're basically like saying like the hill people when you say like the Ukraine, you know what I mean?
Like, oh, the people in the outskirts.
So it's not a national identity.
So they were like, that's what I was told.
All right, this is a good one.
We got OMG Puppies says, Canadian journalist last night was interviewing an Azov guy in Kiev.
He dropped the n-word at one point, and they freaked out, afraid for their livestream.
As they should be.
That's hate speech.
ian crossland
It's worth getting a hold of that video.
jack posobiec
So who was a Canadian journalist?
I saw somebody saying, because I looked for it and I couldn't find it, but somebody was even saying that the Azov you could find like on eBay and Amazon, like Azov shirts and stuff.
ian crossland
I don't think people realize it's a neo-Nazi.
jack posobiec
I saw the tweet, but then I went and checked it and I couldn't find it myself.
ian crossland
How many people you think understand it's a neo-Nazi group?
jack posobiec
I think a lot of people do know.
tim pool
But I think it's important to say that there, it's like Lauren said, there's components of it that are Nazis.
Is it more correct to say that that way?
Like some people have super chatted saying, saying the Azov battalion is a Nazi group is missing the nuance of components of the Azov battalion are Nazis.
jack posobiec
Well, there's many battalions as well.
ian crossland
Right.
jack posobiec
And so and there's one overall, you know, oligarch, Ihor Kolomoisky, who's funded them and funded a lot of politicians in Ukraine, as well as media outlets.
And that's really been bankrolling a lot of this stuff.
So yeah, I mean, again, you know, to say Russia is controlled by the oligarchs, it is and then Putin on top of that, but Ukraine has just as many oligarchs as Russia does, you know, proportionally.
tim pool
Justin Wooten says, are you suggesting anchor kittens is the funniest thing I've ever heard.
Let Poso roll the hundred-sided die.
jack posobiec
Alright, let's do it.
Let's do it.
Here we go.
Rolling it up.
Should I do this on camera?
tim pool
It's gonna roll very far though.
It's like a ball.
There it goes.
jack posobiec
That's a big ball.
unidentified
Ian, rolling, rolling.
jack posobiec
Lydia, keep him honest.
tim pool
Keep him honest.
Oh, it's turning around.
jack posobiec
It's turning.
It's coming back to me.
daniel turner
Whoa.
jack posobiec
That was a powerful roll.
That was a Michael over.
unidentified
44.
tim pool
He rolled a 44.
ian crossland
We have a 22, a 55, a 99.
So 44 in China, that would be because the word four is associated with death.
jack posobiec
So 44 in China that would be because the word for is associated with death. So that's double death. Oh
unidentified
Oh.
ian crossland
Does that mean life?
daniel turner
But in Clue, I could get to, like, literally the library from the ballroom with a 44.
ian crossland
Yeah, and if you draw a 4 in Zari, you get to go back right out of the gate, and then you're safe.
jack posobiec
That would be, so double death.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Love the 4.
It's a very stable number.
That's why they make tables with 4 legs.
jack posobiec
Hey, connect 4.
tim pool
Anthony Austin says, Tim, civil defense should be reactivated and bunkers built for the public.
You know, when you walk around New York, you see a lot of those signs, Fallout Shelter.
I wonder if, like, I don't know anybody who has any idea how to use those or what you do in the event of an actual nuke, right?
jack posobiec
It's like I was saying before, we've forgotten sort of all the rules, all the, you know, where's the manual for Cold War?
Can somebody dust it off?
And can we go back to read that?
ian crossland
There was like a livestyle that we had a secret sealed off swimming pool underground bomb shelter at our high school and no one ever found.
jack posobiec
I, yeah.
ian crossland
Did you guys have one too?
jack posobiec
Actually, so when I, in my grade school outside Philadelphia, we actually had, we had a straight up bunker.
I remember going into it.
I remember it having like the radiation logo on it.
It had the door.
I remember in, I remember doing at least one desk drill and I remember even then thinking like, I don't know how this stops a missile, but okay.
You know, I guess the idea is if it hits the school, it stops the rubble.
ian crossland
Or if the windows get blown out, you don't take it in the face.
jack posobiec
Right, right.
So, you know, shrapnel and things like that.
daniel turner
But then in the 80s, if you were in a, which I am, if the propaganda in the 80s that this was all Reagan's fault, he was gonna do this, all the little kids, please Ronald Reagan, stop us, stop the war.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got GBP says, World Economic Forum wants us on crypto.
Look up the World Economic Forum's strategic intelligence web with blockchain linked to every aspect of life.
I've been saying this, my friends, let me tell you a story back in, I think it was 2016 or 17.
I went to Davos.
Because I have friends who were working in crypto, and the World Economic Forum at the time, they have peripheral events outside.
So in Davos, the city, they have the World Economic Forum, which is highly secure.
Then they have the entire city.
It's like South by Southwest, basically.
The entire city goes convention mode.
Crypto was it.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Everyone was talking about it.
I actually had a conversation with the granddaughter of a world leader about Bitcoin.
Yeah.
I ended up leaving early because I was like, this is insane.
There's a blizzard.
ian crossland
They call it the internet of things.
tim pool
It was like, there was like a blizzard.
It was like five feet of snow.
It was crazy.
We were going to go snowboarding, but there's like avalanche risk.
It was so, it was so, it's so amazing up there though.
When you drive in and like, you can see like the mountains and everything.
It is crazy.
ian crossland
Dude, I'm concerned with mind control.
Like, they are already doing it with the media.
Obviously, you can see people getting mind controlled.
But, like, real, like, when they start tapping in and changing brain waves and stuff, maybe there already are, but I don't think so.
I haven't seen evidence.
tim pool
Alright.
Bobcat says, Tim, forget your Hollywood image of nuclear war.
It would look more like the slow escalation in the game Twilight 2000.
Ask Jack, even.
ian crossland
I used to play that game.
Twilight 2000.
It was like a World War III Dungeons & Dragons game.
We had tanks and humvees and stuff.
It was really cool.
Your guys' stats and weapons.
tim pool
The problem we've had with playing Dungeons & Dragons here, or whatever we tried to do with it, is that everyone's too roguish.
You know?
You've gotta learn how to have fun and just chill with it.
But it would be fun to do... Yeah, you gotta learn how to lose.
ian crossland
To enjoy losing and make a funny show out of it.
It's not really about winning, it's about creating a show for people.
tim pool
A dungeon master, I suppose.
ian crossland
All the players too, because it's more about just like putting on a show than about winning a game.
There's no real victory condition.
tim pool
It's about having fun, but I would love to film some kind of... If we took all of the politics today into Twilight 2000 or a game like that, and then played out a scenario and like... Yeah, Twilight 2000.
ian crossland
I like Aberrant.
We should check out it before we play as mutants and you have superpowers.
tim pool
Well, we should do 2024 election D&D.
daniel turner
Oh my gosh, can we?
Yes!
Rather than a dungeon, it's like the Hall of Congress and you have to go from room to room and I can be Nancy Pelosi and these are my powers and you roll the dice and there's a quorum vote and you all have to... Oh my gosh, I would play that game in a heartbeat!
tim pool
But it would be funny to be like, 2024 Donald Trump is getting elected because they did this.
Like John Podesta and a bunch of Democrats did a war game.
They basically played what is essentially D&D about the 2020 election.
And then apparently like Donna Brazile and John Podesta were like, we secede from the Union or like trying to get California to secede or something.
Yep.
What a crazy, crazy thing, man.
jack posobiec
It was in one of those Time Magazine articles, wasn't it?
tim pool
Yeah, uh, no, this was a Boston Globe.
But everyone everyone basically picked it up.
I think Atlantic had it.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Nemetin says, Jack, can you speak to speak some to your understanding of China's 100 year plans, and how this may play into their current geopolitical position?
Few people get to develop much longer strategic plans and are ridiculously patient.
jack posobiec
Well, look, I mean, you know, I think this has been said before, but in a nutshell, so the founding of the CCP was in 19, or not the founding, but the founding of the PRC was in 1949.
So their 100-year plan will come to culmination in 2049.
That is a key year for them because that is their centenary of taking over all, or their centennial of taking over all of China, with the exception, of course, of Taiwan.
And so the idea is, they want to be in the position where the United States was at that point.
They want to be the global hegemon.
And if they can have Russia in their back pocket, if they can have Putin, this belligerent, thug, mafioso, you know, Russian mafia type, who's willing to keep, you know, keep Europe at bay, then they will do so.
And of course, what China will do here, it's very simple, by the way, they'll come to Europe and they'll say, look, We can keep Putin in check.
You just need to make an economic deal with us.
You need to give us the most favored status with the EU.
We have to work together.
And then we'll talk to Putin.
We'll bring him down.
We'll keep you guys safe.
But as long as you go through us, everything's going to be okay.
It's your basic, it's your basic mafia protection racket that's going on right now.
And unfortunately, it's the people of Ukraine who are the ones who have to suffer.
tim pool
All right, we got this from Eric Vasilyev.
Vasilyev, Russian guy here living in Maryland, getting my bags ready for these camps you're talking about.
If it doesn't work out there, can I come stay with you guys?
Rest assured, Russian-Americans, if you are but a humble American or green card holder or just someone who is uninvolved but you are Russian, we will absolutely hide you beneath the floorboards.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
They can come and knock in and we'll just be like, I don't know what you're talking about, anybody here?
ian crossland
You ain't done nothing wrong, bro.
daniel turner
Maybe that's why you're getting swatted.
Maybe this is preemptive swatting.
tim pool
We already have Russians in our floorboards.
jack posobiec
Every time they come in, they just ask you to... They don't want to be there, but we put them there anyway.
unidentified
We've heard you have Russians in your floorboards.
daniel turner
Just cats, officer.
They're just cats.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
It's like, I confess, it's true, and they open it up and there's cats everywhere and the cops are like...
unidentified
Help us.
ian crossland
You think they're gonna change the name of Russian dressing to like freedom dressing?
What they do with French fries?
Freedom fries?
Freedom dressing.
tim pool
Oh, man.
All right.
Tanner Larson says, great show, guys.
Dan, what do you think about hydrogen as an alternative way of storing energy?
I'm currently working on a project regarding water electrolysis, and I'm curious if you have input.
daniel turner
I'm not an expert on hydrogen.
The only thing I would say is this.
We've been talking about hydrogen as this amazing energy source for 60 years.
If it was as good as we were hoping it would, it would have come to fruition by now.
I am a firm believer that the free market cannot keep good things off the market.
ian crossland
Did you study Stanley Meyer's water car?
daniel turner
I did not.
No.
jack posobiec
Apparently prediction just came true from earlier before the show even ended.
I'm so sorry.
daniel turner
We'll talk later.
jack posobiec
Kinzinger just called for a no.
Kinzinger just said, this proves we need to have a no-fly zone.
ian crossland
They watched the show.
I don't know if they were watching when we were doing the live stream, but they followed our advice on the camera positions.
tim pool
Have you bought your beans yet?
Because you don't want to be fighting over the last can of beans with Agnes in a Walmart parking lot.
unidentified
No, no, no.
It's good.
daniel turner
It's good.
ian crossland
Share the beans.
Get ready to split your food in half and share it with your neighbor.
And then get ready to split it in half over and over and over, just like Jesus did to feed all those people.
seamus coughlin
Well, he multiplied it miraculously.
ian crossland
By cutting it in half.
jack posobiec
I'm a literologist.
But that's not what literally it says.
Lindsey Graham has just called for President Putin's assassination.
tim pool
I just saw that and I'm trying to pull up a source on this.
jack posobiec
No, it's his own Twitter.
ian crossland
Isn't that a hag crime?
jack posobiec
His own Twitter account, is there a Brutus in Russia?
Is there a more successful Colonel Stolfenberg in the Russian military?
The only way this ends is for someone in Russia to take this guy out.
You would be doing your country and the world a great service.
ian crossland
Okay, Lindsey Graham's out of control, he's drunk, and he needs to be removed from power.
seamus coughlin
And you know, if their leader gets assassinated, the Russian people will certainly stop supporting the war effort.
jack posobiec
I can't imagine that nobody worse than Putin would ever come up.
Yeah, no, that could never ever happen.
tim pool
This is a statement that will be a chapter in history books.
When a US senator called for the assassination of the president of a warring nation.
seamus coughlin
You know what I call that?
jack posobiec
I wonder what Russian TV is going to do with this.
I wonder what they're going to do.
seamus coughlin
Remember when we got rid of Trump because we didn't like mean tweets?
Yep.
unidentified
I remember that.
tim pool
Lindsey Graham should resign over this.
daniel turner
That's awful escalation.
jack posobiec
No, I just tweeted that.
You need to resign.
tim pool
He needs to resign.
We have it right here.
Is there a Brutus in Russia?
Which is obviously... Yeah, Brutus is the guy that killed Caesar.
Stabbed him in the back.
daniel turner
One of the guys.
tim pool
One of the guys.
Is there a more successful Colonel Stauffenberg in the Russian military?
The only way is for somebody to take this guy out.
daniel turner
What?
tim pool
These people are psychotic, man.
daniel turner
That's insane.
That's just absolutely insanity to tweet that.
It's beyond escalation.
seamus coughlin
It's absurdly irresponsible.
daniel turner
It's very well said.
Thank you.
I was looking for good words.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
tim pool
He needs to resign because this is dangerously close to informal war declarations.
daniel turner
I don't know whatever Russia's Politburo, if a similar person had called for the assassination of Joe Biden, Lindsey Graham himself would be talking about how that is an act of war.
tim pool
I do not like this guy.
ian crossland
No, I can't stand him, man.
tim pool
Lindsey Graham is trash.
He needs to be primaried.
This is like, bro, quit now.
I can't believe this, man.
The people of South Carolina, y'all need to start calling him and telling him to resign, retire.
seamus coughlin
Just what an unhinged thing to say in general.
ian crossland
I'm trying to figure out if it's a war crime.
Is it a war crime to call for an assassination?
seamus coughlin
Or are assassinations war crimes?
Does Twitter's Terms of Service allow this?
Like, we're not at war with them.
jack posobiec
I actually don't know how Twitter's Terms of Service can allow this.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, screenshot it.
jack posobiec
Remember, Trump was banned.
tim pool
You would be doing your country and the world a great service.
jack posobiec
How is this not calling for violence?
ian crossland
This is calling for violence.
tim pool
It's beyond him saying, like, threatening Putin's life.
jack posobiec
So Trump was banned.
tim pool
It is literally him praising the action as honorable and a service.
Crazy, man.
jack posobiec
Plus, keep in mind, this is a U.S.
government official, an extremely powerful U.S.
government official who's about to become part of the majority of the U.S.
Senate coming up in September or November.
ian crossland
Who's about to become retired.
unidentified
I think they do.
daniel turner
I'm on the fence.
jack posobiec
I think, well, it's clearly a jump ball.
ian crossland
I know we talk about it's sad to see good Congress people go if they have term limits, but this is complete ludicrous.
jack posobiec
Beyond the pale.
This is so beyond the pale.
ian crossland
This is like, this guy is just out of his mind.
F in mind.
seamus coughlin
Get him out.
I mean, it's so stupid, too.
Like, even if it would be a good strategy to have him assassinated, it's such a stupid thing to say.
jack posobiec
The reason assassinations are never a good strategy, just in general, is because you don't know what's... Look what happened when Brutus assassinated and the rest of the senators assassinated Julius Caesar.
You got Caesar Augustus.
And he turned the Republic into a full-on empire, and the triumvirate had them all killed.
tim pool
I want to give a shout out to, uh, I agree.
seamus coughlin
I mean, my point is like read the rest of this.
It's just, it's not like the way, I guess my point is like, it's, it's an insane thing to even propose, but then the way of, of just like saying it on Twitter.
And that's how he's going to make that thought known to the world.
tim pool
I want to give a shout out to Troy Rubert, a super chat who said Lindsey Graham calling for Putin assassination wild times.
He, he posted that, um, before we, we, we got the source, we picked it up, but, but, um, free speech, super chat.
ian crossland
If he's in Congress and they're debating this and he brings it up, free speech.
It's on the table.
Maybe not ethical, but it's on the table.
You don't tweet it out, dude.
Twitter's like a weapon.
You've got to use it like a weapon.
jack posobiec
By the way, you're going to have Russians responding now.
tim pool
He has completely undermined the US.
Vladimir Putin can now come out and say, people of Russia, American politicians are trying to get me killed.
These people will not negotiate with us.
They have shut down our infrastructure. They are attacking with their waging cyber war against us. Our only op your
only option is me It's it's what jack was saying. Lindsey. Graham is a
seamus coughlin
Moron, even if it wasn't a horrible strategy to assassinate him
And even if it wasn't a horrible idea to propose that strategy over twitter. He is
Not the person who's in a position to do so Let me read this.
unidentified
I'm a super chat, I'm gonna read this.
tim pool
Patrick Helton says Lindsey Graham is right.
Lindsey Graham may be technically right.
jack posobiec
He just said it on Fox too.
tim pool
He said it on Fox.
jack posobiec
He's on Fox.
tim pool
Lindsey Graham is right if you want nuclear annihilation.
Lindsey Graham is right if you want war to reach every, every inch of this globe.
Lindsey Graham is not correct in how you end war and conflict.
He's talking about how do you, how do you stop Vladimir Putin as an individual?
Because if something like this happened, especially now that he's called for it, they're going to, they would, what, respond with a war declaration against us?
If somebody took a move to kill, and it was because of Lindsey Graham.
jack posobiec
Oh, you get some crazy communist Does he not understand, by the way, that the Kremlin is more than just one person.
There's an entire infrastructure inside that building.
There's an establishment.
There's neocons, right?
The same way that we have neocons that are surrounding Vladimir Putin.
And you can say, well, okay, Putin picked them because they're loyal to him.
Okay, great.
Now, what do you think the Putin loyalists would do if someone assassinated Putin?
And then you could say that because Lindsey Graham just said it publicly on Fox and publicly on Twitter, that it was a U.S.-backed plot.
What do you think the Putin loyalists would respond in that scenario?
ian crossland
They'd probably start planning a hundred years of war with the United States.
jack posobiec
These people cannot think beyond first-order effects.
This is the same problem that you see on the left and the right.
Neoliberals, neoconservatives, they cannot think beyond first-order effects.
It's really what it comes down to.
tim pool
It's like most people.
ian crossland
I don't know how many times I can say it's stupid and dangerous and still be effective.
daniel turner
And it makes, and as Tim was just saying, it makes Putin now, it gives him the opportunity to go on the camera tomorrow and say, the United States government is calling for my assassination.
And not only have they punished us financially, now they are calling to kill me.
And all I am trying to do is fight for Russia.
So you- He's going to say- Let's specify this.
ian crossland
So now you've given- Lindsey Graham doing this and not the American government.
daniel turner
Yeah, you've given Putin another weapon now.
tim pool
He's going to say a country that invaded another country, Iraq, and then later came out and said it was an intelligence error and destroyed a country has the nerve to lecture us because we're defending our borders.
As they attempt regime change, and now because of Russia's willingness to defend itself, they have called for my death.
jack posobiec
That's what he's gonna do. By the way, you know, Lindsey Graham was a huge supporter of your my Don he went over
there with John McCain With Victoria Nuland with so many of these people very
early on in 2013 2014. He's with poor Shenko He's he's been tied into this directly. So that's at the
same token I guarantee you
Russian TV is gonna be playing that clip of Lindsey Graham and then showing the pictures of
Lindsey Graham being with the Ukrainian military and this is gonna be a massive
tim pool
propaganda coup for Putin in I After tonight, man. I really do think we are heading
towards It's...
A very serious escalation with Kinzinger, with Lindsey Graham.
ian crossland
Yeah, but they're both morons at least.
tim pool
It doesn't matter.
The establishment has chosen its narrative, and they're going to just steamroll it through, and you're going to get sycophants and lunatics who are going to be like, we have to, we must do it.
Same as it always happens.
jack posobiec
The anti-war voices, I mean, Lee Camp is a strong anti-war voice, so of course he's going to- Well, and the question becomes then, do people like Lindsey Graham know what they're doing?
Do they know exactly what they're doing?
tim pool
I don't think they care.
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daniel turner
Beautiful.
That was very nice.
unidentified
Daniel Turner.
daniel turner
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jack posobiec
There you go.
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ian crossland
Yeah, I have about 80 million things to say, but I'll just say this.
I love you.
I love you.
jack posobiec
No, I love you.
tim pool
I love you.
ian crossland
Bye, everyone.
daniel turner
Bye.
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