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Timcast IRL - Putin Puts Nuclear Forces On High Alert, White House Responds w/Lauren Southern
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ian crossland
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tim pool
We'll see you next time.
Now, they're calling it nuclear deterrence, which is to imply that they will only fire in response.
But you look at what's going on right now with the Russian economy.
The ruble dropped around 30 or so percent.
They kept their stock exchange closed.
So a lot of people think that Russia's in serious trouble here, but I don't believe that Vladimir Putin would start a war unless he intended to see it through.
And he likely calculated these responses.
He had to predict they'd go after the banks.
There would be sanctions.
They've already sanctioned him in the past.
So we'll see where all this goes.
They have put their nuclear weapons on high alert.
We're now hearing that Brazil has announced, or I should say Bolsonaro, at least, of Brazil, announced neutrality.
Switzerland has broken neutrality, which is kind of crazy, to sanction Russia.
China's obviously on the side of Russia.
And we're starting to see more and more people take sides.
Belarus is expected to join the war on the side of Russia.
And it just seems like things may spiral out of control, but maybe not.
Maybe the sanctions will actually work, so we'll talk about this.
There's a real fear.
We got an article from Barron's.
It's actually kind of funny.
They say that the removing banks from the SWIFT international payment system could result in cyber attacks.
And these are the 10 stocks we think that will go up because of it.
Gotta love capitalism.
So we'll get into all that.
We do have some cyber attacks.
We do have some news around basically everything that will, all of this stuff, as well as a funny story of Jill Biden accidentally calling Kamala Harris the president, although I don't know if it's an accident at this point.
And we'll get into all that.
Joining us today to talk about this is Lauren Southern.
lauren southern
Pleasure to be here.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
You want to introduce yourself?
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren southern
I'm Lauren Southern.
I am a documentary filmmaker, completely canceled all over the world.
Like a lot of people here, I'm sure.
Nah, we're good.
unidentified
Just you.
lauren southern
No, just me.
All right, great.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren southern
Came here from Canada all the way.
tim pool
How's that going?
Canada.
unidentified
Oh, I'm glad to escape briefly from our dictatorship.
lauren southern
So that's been good.
seamus coughlin
They're not going to let you back in when they see this now.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
Yeah, they're going to be like, hey, that's her.
lauren southern
She called it a dictatorship?
I was told to be on good behavior while I was here.
tim pool
But you've done a lot of reporting before.
You did reporting at the Rebel, right?
lauren southern
Yeah, I was at Rebel Media, and then I did a bunch of independent, on-the-ground stuff.
We certainly crossed paths a few times at protests in Europe.
Then I took a bit of a break from media, and I'm back working on a few movies.
I had Borderless, Farmlands, Crossfire, and my new one is American Mirage.
tim pool
Interesting.
What is that one about?
lauren southern
It's about the caravans and illegal migration into the U.S.
tim pool
We definitely need to talk about that because I don't know if you heard that the U.S.
government issued a memo requesting Customs and Border Protection leave the southern border to go to Poland to process refugees from Ukraine.
And it's like a job anyone can do and there's no reason to take our border guards off to do it, so... Especially when there's not enough there.
lauren southern
They've given up on trying to protect the border because they've got so many people just working on processing people.
tim pool
Or is that the policy of the Biden administration to have no border?
lauren southern
Yeah, it's half and half.
I mean, when you want to get into the documentary, you will.
We'll do it.
All right.
tim pool
We also have Seamus.
seamus coughlin
You missed me.
Don't even sigh like that.
unidentified
We missed you, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
They were calling, begging for me to come back.
unidentified
It's true.
It's true.
lydia smith
We were.
seamus coughlin
And I am glad to be here.
I thought, you know what?
I'll do him a favor.
I'll head back over to the cast castle.
Thank you.
I also couldn't be separated from you lovely folks at home.
I missed you all so much.
Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes.
I release animated cartoons on my YouTube channel every single week, sometimes twice a week.
We got a funny one coming out this Thursday, so I hope you all will check it out and subscribe, and I am looking forward to this conversation.
ian crossland
Glad to see you, Seamus.
tim pool
When you see Lauren Southern on the camera, behind her is this very beautiful wooden Timcast sign.
Behind any guest, honestly.
It's okay.
And Seamus has this I think it says 2x4 Plank.
seamus coughlin
No, there was a typo on that one.
You're blocking the S. There was a typo on that one.
It says Timcast in the name.
It's Shimcast.
lydia smith
It's actually Timcast.
seamus coughlin
We were sent that in the mail by a fan who cares about things being done properly, I guess.
tim pool
I think it's funny that, you know, World War III is breaking out and we're doing silly jokes about Shimcast and Seamus.
seamus coughlin
I mean, we can't stop joking.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
It's true.
Humor is part of being human.
That's kind of the center point, or one of.
Maybe eating is another one of them.
Hey, I'm glad you're here, Lauren.
I'm happy to be here, too.
You were, like, focusing on immigration way before I realized the danger, and then I started studying, like, Roman history, the history of the fall of the Roman Empire and stuff, and how basically unfettered immigration is the reason that that fell.
Any country that just lets other cultures come in and then set up shop and create the government is now that government.
lauren southern
Yeah, I've never understood the reaction to my conversations about immigration.
People always just lose their minds.
This is racism.
Immigrant is code word for like anyone that's not white to you, and that's why you don't want mass immigration.
And I'm like, anywhere except the West, I am a liberal.
I'm like far left.
If you go to Anywhere in Asia, anywhere in Africa, even if you go just down to Mexico, they're like, nope, no foreigners in.
Close these borders.
We want to protect our own first.
And I'm like, all right, we just need to, you know, slow it down a bit.
And that's racist here.
I'm a liberal by non-Western standards, but you're far right if you're living in America and say these things.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We got a lady pressing the buttons.
lydia smith
I am pushing buttons in the corner.
I have a lovely lady here with me tonight.
I'm very excited.
I always love that feminine energy.
It's going to be a great chat.
I'm excited.
tim pool
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And I just want to point out as well, I made that comment about, you know, like World War III is coming.
I don't know if World War III is really coming.
We have a serious conflict in Europe.
I just think it's funny that we're at this point in time where you have, you know, a group of people of varying political backgrounds are here to do a podcast and have a very serious discussion.
And it's like, yes, yes, the situation in Ukraine is growing very dire.
So smash that like button!
Subscribe!
So that culture around YouTube where it's like this exaggerated youthful exuberance is now being, you know, it's a part of war with Russia.
seamus coughlin
No, it's true.
You look at news reports from the 1940s and they're like, we need to help our boys who are overseas!
And then when people look back on our conflicts, they're like, hit the like button!
Subscribe!
Come check our channel out!
tim pool
Vladimir Putin just shelled a mall killing civilians!
Smash that like button!
lauren southern
Did you guys see the Applebee's commercial?
tim pool
Yeah!
lauren southern
I was like, what the heck?
seamus coughlin
Wait, what was this Applebee's commercial?
unidentified
Oh, you gotta see it.
tim pool
So there's air raid sirens going off in Ukraine.
And then all of a sudden it just breaks to like this cowboy guy doing a butt shuffle dance.
And it's like, cold beer on a Friday night.
And it's like, get your wings.
seamus coughlin
Wait, this is an actual Applebee's commercial.
lauren southern
It was on like a, which channel was it on?
CNN?
tim pool
CNN was showing a live shot of the air raid.
seamus coughlin
Oh, and then it cuts to an Applebee's commercial.
tim pool
And then it's just a little window with the air raid sirens in the corner.
It's like live Ukraine air raid sirens and the big Applebee's.
I guess Applebee's got pissed and they announced they're like pulling ads or whatever.
Anyway, let's get serious.
seamus coughlin
I mean, I'm surprised anyone saw that.
It was on CNN.
tim pool
Well, that's true, but it went viral on Twitter where everyone mocked them.
Well, let's talk about this first story.
And we have this from CNN of all outlets.
I like using CNN when it's something like this.
White House responds to Russia's decision to put deterrence forces on high alert.
They say, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Sunday that Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to put Russia's deterrence forces, which include nuclear arms and high alert, are part of a wider pattern of unprovoked escalation and manufactured threats from the Kremlin.
This is really a pattern that we've seen from President Putin through the course of this conflict, which is manufacturing threats that don't exist in order to justify further aggression.
And the global community and the American people should look at it through that prism.
Saki told ABC's George Stephanopoulos on this week.
Well, the news there is that in response to the sanctions, the escalation, and I guess what Putin says is aggressive language towards Russia, they've put all of their forces on high alert, which includes nuclear weapons.
And then you had this guy on Russian TV who said, what's the point?
Something like, what's the purpose of the world without Russia in it?
There's absolutely going to be nukes dropped.
You think so?
submarines, we can launch these warheads and you know, we could
basically wipe out NATO in the US. I guess the question is saber rattling, hyperbole, or should we all go hide in the
basement?
lauren southern
There's absolutely going to be nukes dropped.
tim pool
You think so?
lauren southern
Hassan Piker just said there wouldn't.
unidentified
Oh, there you go.
lauren southern
My man's reversed Nostradamus.
We're screwed.
We're done for, guys.
ian crossland
I want to launch them on Mars.
I think if you nuke the poles on Mars, doesn't that start an atmosphere or something?
tim pool
You think Russia's going to do that?
ian crossland
Maybe they'll work together, yeah.
We'll take the North Pole, they can take the South Pole.
tim pool
It has like 1% of relevance to the conversation.
ian crossland
I know, I'm just trying to make it better.
tim pool
You are talking about nukes!
unidentified
Save the world!
tim pool
Wrong planet.
ian crossland
I hope there's no nukes.
Or right planet.
Why would anyone do it?
It seems like if you launched a nuke, that would be the end of everything.
tim pool
No, I disagree.
ian crossland
The surface.
You don't think the surface would just get fried after that?
unidentified
U.S.
lauren southern
did it.
They got away with it.
Drop a few cheeky nukes.
seamus coughlin
That was before anyone else had one.
ian crossland
That was before ICBM.
tim pool
So look, the fear is mutually assured destruction, right?
Not real.
I don't believe in it.
I don't think it's a real thing.
So you guys ever see that movie with, what was it, Matthew Broderick?
No, War Games?
ian crossland
War Games, yeah, Matthew Broderick.
tim pool
Oh yeah, Matthew Broderick.
And all the missiles are flying in the air or whatever.
And then there was G.I.
Joe.
You guys ever see the G.I.
Joe?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Demi Moore?
Where the guy who looks like the Pope plays the villain?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
No, I didn't see that.
The guy from Game of Thrones who was the priest guy, plays a villain, and then he's like, the U.S.
fires their nukes, and then so then every other country's like, what are you doing?
And they all fire the nukes, and they see all the nukes in the air, and then the Cobra guy masquerading as a president blows up the U.S.
nukes so that everyone else does.
Mutually assured destruction makes no sense to me, right?
Let me ask you a question.
Lauren, let me ask you a question.
So, a military officer comes to you and he says, Mrs. Southern, 17 nuclear warheads are headed towards the eastern seaboard.
There is nothing we can do to stop them.
But, you can choose to kill 10 million civilians yourself.
Would you do it?
Would you be like, I guess I'll blow up a bunch of civilians?
lauren southern
You know, if I was a little more bitchy and spiteful, maybe, but, you know, maybe, no, no, not me.
seamus coughlin
Well, it depends on how the Patreon lawsuits go.
tim pool
But think about it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
lauren southern
It would be like... Which cities are we talking about?
Do I get to pick and choose?
tim pool
Let's just say, you know, like we can... Russia's fired a bunch of nukes at the eastern seaboard of the United States, Vancouver and Toronto included, I guess, because, you know, Canada.
You can't stop it, but you can kill Russian civilians.
Would you do it?
I don't think people would do that.
seamus coughlin
Here's the thing, I don't know if she would, but someone would.
lauren southern
Yes, that's a good point.
seamus coughlin
And I think that threat exists in the mind of anyone who's considering launching nukes in the first place.
tim pool
But you guys ever hear that story about the Russian submarine dude?
They got a false alarm that a nuke was fired, and he refused to fire.
I think that's more indicative of what a person would do.
lauren southern
Well, there's been studies done on this, too, with just the amount of people in war that go out, whether it be Afghanistan or World War II, and they'll talk about how much they freeze.
We talked about this with someone with Vietnam.
They were saying that the soldiers who were drafted would aim up and try not to hit people.
Actually, most soldiers.
50% of the time they'll freeze and not be able to shoot someone the first time it happens to them
tim pool
We talked about this with someone with Vietnam They were saying that this the soldiers were drafted would
unidentified
aim up and try not to hit people Yes, actually most soldiers
seamus coughlin
There was a study done called men under fire and they basically found that something like 2% of soldiers did 98%
of the killing Whoa, yeah
and so the entire idea was our government wanted to figure out how you could get everyday average troops to be willing
to fight because Most people in a combat situation if someone is up on top
of them or they have to kill them in a direct self-defense Scenario will do so
So in warfare, if the enemy are jumping into your trenches, yes, you'll shoot them more often than not.
But if they're all the way across the battlefield and you're trying to snipe and pick them off, most soldiers won't pull the trigger.
And our government kind of tried to figure out ways to encourage troops to do so.
ian crossland
Didn't video games himself. I'm not sure there's a game called America's Army
tim pool
that was basically grooming people to become soldiers. Not that it's a misconception that government. I'm not saying
it makes you it makes you more violent. But when you're desensitized to entering combat. What I was reading something where they
said like playing video games helped people overcome their like resistance towards killing someone. I think probably
lauren southern
with drones and stuff it's a lot easier the further and further like degrees apart.
It's almost like the trolley question.
Okay, would you pull the thing to kill one person or two people?
Alright, would you push someone in front of the train to stop the trolley?
The closer you get to being the exact thing that kills the person, that's when all those mental blocks start.
But when they're just green light on a screen, much easier to click a button.
tim pool
My favorite trolley meme is the one where it's one track and it's just riddled with people and it says, you can stop the train at the trolley at any time, but it would hurt corporate profits.
That one's good.
seamus coughlin
By the way, it was also, it was men against fire was the name of it.
ian crossland
Men against fire.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
And yeah, so yes.
Um, and I want to double check the numbers I threw out.
I may have misremembered them.
So go and look that up for yourself.
A shockingly low number of people are, are willing to actually engage in this.
ian crossland
The Russian submarine soldier, his name was Vasily Arkhipov, and it's during the height of the Cold War, Cuban Missile Crisis, and he got, I think there was a miscalculation, they thought the nukes had been fired, he got an order to fire, and he didn't do it.
Basically prevented World War III, this one guy.
tim pool
Yeah, and he's like a hero, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They were like, this guy.
I don't think most people would do it.
But would Vladimir Putin is the question, and I think Vladimir Putin would fire nukes.
ian crossland
If he was fired on, yeah.
tim pool
No, no, I think Vladimir Putin would launch nukes.
lauren southern
People are giving the Ukrainians weapons, but no one's sending troops in.
They're kind of just like, oh, we don't really want to get involved.
We don't want to get in trouble.
tim pool
I don't know.
lauren southern
The man might get away with it.
ian crossland
I saw a cartoon meme of the Ukraine guy and the American guy was like, you have my gun.
And the other guy was like, you have my, the Scandinavian guy was like, you have my axe.
And then the British guy was like, you have my bow.
And then it shows the Ukrainian guy and he's just got an axe, a bow, and a sword.
lydia smith
Yeah, Lord of the Rings meme.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Also, I just want to pull something up real quick so I can add some clarity to what I was saying earlier.
The best figures I have right now say that according to the study, it was fewer than 15-20% of soldiers fired their weapon in the first place, and then an even lower number actually killed people.
lauren southern
I'm so conservative with my estimates.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, but I also want to say with my number, about 2% actually doing 98% of the killing.
I'm actually, I'm not seeing that here.
ian crossland
I imagine most soldiers aren't in combat.
I believe.
Most soldiers are doing like logistics are back behind the scenes.
Are you talking about just combat soldiers?
seamus coughlin
I believe.
Well, I mean, I believe that the study is referring to combat soldiers because that's the reason they would.
I mean, that's the entire reason they were doing the research.
lydia smith
Right.
ian crossland
Wow.
Smackdown.
Now Seamus giving me a nice No, I'm sorry.
seamus coughlin
No, no, no.
You could actually be completely wrong.
I'm saying this is what I'm imagining.
tim pool
So the question is, why is Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine?
And if you can answer that, you can answer whether or not he's willing to use nukes more accurately.
So there's the conspiracy theories.
Maybe not even conspiracy theory is the right word, but there is the theory that Vladimir Putin opposes the Davos Group World Economic Forum, liberal economic order, and all that stuff.
It's not an issue of NATO, which is proven by the fact that Estonia and Latvia are on the border
with Russia as well, and they're NATO nations. The issue is that Ukraine is, you know, joining
the liberal economic order or whatever, and Putin's actually directly criticized this.
I don't actually think that's the principal reason, though.
If that was the reason, then you could argue, well, he's got to stop the globalists.
So of course he'll use nukes, right?
There are people posting this. There was a crazy, a Ukrainian MP went on Fox News and said they're
fighting for the new world order.
I saw that, yeah.
And so this is a lot of people saying, like, that proves it.
I got a really simple solution for all of you guys.
The US and NATO have been screwing with Russian oil profits.
It's kind of that simple, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren southern
I'm not sure that Russia care about profits as much as we think they do.
I think they've got, especially in the East, they have different values than we do in the West.
In a sense, they've got those blood and soil values more than we do.
They've got the spiritual values.
They genuinely believe like the Ukrainians are spiritually connected to Russia.
I interviewed a guy named Michael Millerman, really interesting case.
He's got a PhD on Alexander Dugin, who they've called Putin's brain.
tim pool
Wait, he has a PhD on Dugin?
lauren southern
It's it's in like Eurasianism or around that topic, but he studied and translated Alexander Dugin.
That was like his focus of his work.
lydia smith
Yeah.
lauren southern
And he had 12 professors helping him out with the PhD.
11 of them quit because they said this is too dangerous.
You shouldn't be allowed to study this topic.
It's because he partakes in something called strategic empathy, where he really wants to understand the Russian perspective and like, be able to empathize for the purpose of understanding.
And everyone said, no, this is disgusting.
How can you have such an illiberal worldview?
And now he's getting calls from all over the world of people like, what is going on?
Please explain your Asianism to us.
unidentified
And he's- Well then, that's the issue then.
tim pool
If, you know, We mentioned Ben Shapiro's tweet.
He said, Putin wants to rebuild the empire.
Sanctions aren't going to deter someone who's ideologically driven.
If Putin is driven by ideology, I believe he can and will use nukes.
I mean, maybe I shouldn't say will.
He's capable of... What I mean to say is, he's the kind of person who I believe has the capability and the willpower, to put it... I'm not saying it's a good thing, to press the button and say, I will get what I want.
You know what I mean?
lauren southern
Yeah, people are reasonable when they're driven by these temporal things of, you know, money, day-to-day, I just want to stay safe.
But when you're at that higher level where it's like, even something like revenge, or this is a spiritual battle, then you get people that'll blow themselves up in stadiums for it.
tim pool
Yeah, but I think, you know, to elaborate on the profit motive thing, I'm not saying it's like Putin wants money and he's like, where's my money, my oil?
It's more like getting resources for Russia.
lauren southern
Yeah, I agree with that.
tim pool
So, you know, what I see is, we mentioned it 50 billion times, you've got the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, you've got the corrupt energy dealings Joe Biden was doing in Ukraine with, I should say, his son, and then his intervention with the government.
And Putin's like, look, we support the Russian people selling oil to our customers in Europe.
We charge what we can charge.
The West doesn't like those prices, so they're playing dirty games, like funding or providing resources to rebels in Syria, and then playing dirty games with Burisma.
Joe Biden's on camera saying, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars.
Turns out that prosecutor was investigating the founder of Burisma, whereas someone's on the board.
Conflict of interest, at the very least.
Putin's like, you're screwing with my ability to generate resources for my country and my people.
So that's less of an ideological and more of like a looking at, you know, a world leader thing.
But I wonder if it is more ideological than.
seamus coughlin
Well, you know, it's difficult to say.
I can't read Putin's mind.
I think there's an argument to be made that it isn't ideological, that it is more or less from Russia's standpoint a security issue, whereas from America's standpoint it's an ideological issue.
So we see this as we would like for Ukraine to become a more liberalized nation, which
is part of NATO and which is part of the EU.
And from Putin's perspective, it's as soon as they become a NATO country, the United
States could put military bases there.
And it's an entirely different set of concerns from I either want to make more money or I
want to expand my nation.
lauren southern
Yeah.
And this would be like the last point.
If they do think that the US are going to build troops up there, and they do think NATO is going to join, then they're like, we have this short window that we have to invade and actually be successful.
And it's got to be now.
I want to, I want to ask you guys.
Oh, God, did I just forget the question I was gonna ask you guys?
Yep, it's gone.
ian crossland
It's coming back.
lauren southern
I actually got a buzz in my ear and the New World Order just said no.
tim pool
That's a real thing.
So there was this video on Fox, maybe I should pull it up actually, where this, actually I don't know if anybody wrote about it, I'd have to find it on Twitter.
unidentified
Cool, I just remembered my question, so you can do that.
lauren southern
I didn't know this until recently, but in some polling like 80 to 90 percent of people in Crimea wanted to go back and be a part of Russia.
And I know people have said like, oh the Russians specifically sent people to live there to try and make it a
Russian majority and have that happen but then they've got the same thing in
Donetsk where there are a lot of people that want to be a part of Russia.
Do you think that they should be allowed to have some sort of vote referendum
like Quebec did in Canada to join Russia or is that a problem? Okay, I'm gonna...
Reasoning.
tim pool
It's self-determination.
lauren southern
But people are saying it's malicious and Russia's specifically sending people there.
So like let's look at open borders groups.
If they specifically had a bunch of Mexicans go into California and then said, we want to have a referendum to see if California wants to be a part of Mexico, how would you feel about that?
ian crossland
Uh, well put.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I gotta be honest, that's war.
ian crossland
That's a type of war.
seamus coughlin
Tim would say California, they can have it.
unidentified
Yeah, that's what I said!
tim pool
You picked a very interesting state there, Lauren.
seamus coughlin
Even though the things California is known for are basically useless, what they're not known for is useful, which is producing food.
tim pool
Yeah, a lot of almonds, too.
Here's the question, though.
The issue with the Donbass region, Donetsk, Luhansk, what some people have told us, and again, I know it's fog of war, propaganda, it's hard to know what's true, is that it was Ukrainian, and then during the Soviet Union, Holodomor, Russification, the eastern regions became predominantly more ethnically Russian as opposed to Ukrainian.
Now, 30 years on, all of a sudden, it's like, well, there's a lot of Russians, people, you know, speakers here, guess Russia should take it.
I guess the question is how far back do you want to go?
What is the issue here?
With the eastern region of Ukraine, if it was the Soviet Union, if there was an empire, it collapsed.
There are some questions about boundaries and borders and stuff.
Sure.
California's a little different.
If California is allowing people to come in as non-citizens and then, you know, they have kids who then become citizens and within 18 or 20 years they vote for secession, you've got a serious question about whether or not there was an intentional act to come in and take land away from the United States.
That being said, there's still an important question of if they play by the rules, if they're working within the law, if these people are citizens and they vote to secede and join Mexico, do we respect the wishes of secession?
This country was founded on a bunch of people being like, we hereby vote.
We're not part of the British Empire anymore.
And Britain was like, nah, and they fought over it.
So maybe that's what happens.
Both sides will claim their right and whoever has the ability to defend themselves or reconquer the land.
ian crossland
You might say they have some ethical justification to say, we're going to be part of Mexico now, but realistically, the U.S.
government's not going to give up their West Coast, all that water access.
seamus coughlin
Well, that's why Tim brought warfare into it, too.
It would be a question of, would Mexico be capable of going to war with the United States military?
And the answer to that question is almost certainly no, unless there was an ally in another part of the world who wanted to send their troops in to help So if China said, let's destabilize the region and... You are wrong, sir.
Oh, I am wrong.
Explain.
tim pool
You gotta understand, man, with what we're looking at in Russia, a bunch of regular people with guns, almost impossible to conquer.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's true.
tim pool
Air superiority does nothing for occupying territory.
You can't occupy street corners with fighter jets.
lydia smith
That's true.
unidentified
Vietnam and even Afghanistan now.
tim pool
Exactly.
Our artillery is not going to hold down, uh, it's not going to force people to, you know, go to certain buildings or to not go near certain buildings.
Certainly, you can blow the cities up.
Okay, well, sure.
But what's the, what, then what's the goal there?
So, if you're trying to conquer or maintain control of a land, blowing it up and wiping it off the map, it's kind of like a, well, we're losing it anyway, let's blanket sweep and just wipe everything out and rebuild later, maybe.
But you're not going to be able to control the people.
seamus coughlin
Here's why I'm still correct.
unidentified
Because, because you are correct.
seamus coughlin
I mean, firstly, a defensive war is always easier and less expensive to fight than an invasion is.
However, it would depend on what percentage of California wanted to be a part of Mexico and how many people there would actually be willing to fight alongside the United States government to maintain that territory as part of the U.S.
I don't think it's just a question of the U.S.
coming in and blowing things up.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
If there was enough sentiment in California for secession, and I actually think there might, like I said, around a third to 40% of people in each of the five regions of the U.S.
favor secession of their region.
So the question is, how many people support secession, how many people oppose it, and how many people don't care?
And if you look at like Democrats to Republicans in California, it's two to one.
It's like for every two Democrats, it's one Republican.
And then independents are people who are more likely going to say, I don't care.
So I kind of think that if it was a Democrat secession, which is what people are actually talking about and what, you know, the Podesta, what the Boston Globe story, they were war gaming out what happens after the 2020 election.
If Trump won, they were suggesting the West Coast secede.
It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a left Democrat secession movement.
Whether or not the United States can, can stop it from happening.
I'm not entirely convinced they could, you know, we, we can talk about, you know, what did Putin say, or I'm sorry, what did Biden say?
If you want to go up against us, you need nuclear weapons.
And it's like, are you talking about bombing like civilians populations with nuclear bombs?
Otherwise you can't do anything.
ian crossland
Yeah, destroying a country is different than taking and conquering a country.
tim pool
It's why propaganda is like the most important thing.
seamus coughlin
Well, and it's the entire reason they want to disarm people.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Absolutely.
Yeah.
lauren southern
Isn't it amazing watching all of the, like, lefties go full soy over the Ukrainians being armed?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I can't believe it.
lauren southern
Insupportive.
unidentified
They're like, look at all these normal individuals, boss, babe, with her gun.
lauren southern
And I'm like, yeah, that's cool.
I love that.
But why don't you want that for us?
Because the Second Amendment isn't about, ooh, Oh, I want to go to the shooting range and have some fun, for if this happens.
ian crossland
I think this might be waking a lot of people up to that and realizing, like, yeah, we need to be armed.
tim pool
Always.
Look at our southern border.
ian crossland
We should have access to it.
tim pool
Southern border's porous.
What, did we have like a million encounters last year or more?
lauren southern
Oh, yeah.
And it would be way more than what were counted.
I, you know, I was just down there and I was watching every day.
seamus coughlin
She's like, I counted a million.
lauren southern
I counted a million myself.
No, I literally just drove to one random part on the other side of a country club in McAllen, Texas, stayed there one morning at 4 a.m., got out of my car, and there were traffickers walking by.
And they're like, don't film us, don't film us.
And I'm like, holy, you can just drive anywhere across the border and see people making a little journey.
ian crossland
It's wild!
How can you?
What?
Electric fence?
Can we do something like that?
Inhumane and an electric fence is inhumane.
lauren southern
Okay, so here was the issue is there was a Texas country club, there was the wall, and then it just stopped.
And there was a Texas country club.
I guess they couldn't buy the land.
So all of these human traffickers and gang members were just going to this country club on the side of McAllen, Texas.
tim pool
That's the thing about a 30 mile long wall.
lauren southern
I guess not, because they go around 4 a.m.
They say there's shift switches at that time with the border guards, and they're just kind of lazy and a little more lethargic, so they'll just go across at 4 a.m., go through the night.
tim pool
This is why mentality, culture, psychology is so important for a war effort.
If the United States has a large quantity of people who don't care about their borders, And even the people employed to guard the borders don't care about the borders?
Then Yang got a border.
lauren southern
Absolutely.
tim pool
And then you, I mean, so, so, you know, we got into talking about this because of the issue of the eastern region of Ukraine, where you have people voting to, you know, be annexed by Russia or to cede or whatever.
In Crimea, that's basically how Russia gained control of it.
They were like, oh, we had a referendum and everybody voted.
There was a poll from several years ago, like well before the annexation, and it found that it was the most pro-Russia portion of Ukraine.
That they basically were like, we're Russia, we're not Ukraine, but we're legally Ukraine.
So I can believe that a lot of people there want to be part of Russia.
I don't know if I believe the referendum was legit.
You know what I mean?
Like Putin comes in, he had tanks ready, and then it's just there.
But I do think it's interesting.
We're talking about guns with Ukrainian citizens.
The question I have, I guess, is, If these liberal types, not leftists, leftists like guns, these liberal types are cheering, like Occupy Democrats cheered, for the distribution of 18,000, I think it was, select-fire Kalashnikovs, full-auto rifles.
You said, like, why don't you want that for us?
And I'm like, it's an interesting question.
Why do they want Ukraine's borders protected and the people armed and they want the people of the United States disarmed and our borders porous and weak?
ian crossland
Because they want Russia broken.
Because they're Russia-phobes because they listen to the media.
tim pool
Russia-phobes?
lauren southern
They're Russia-phobes?
There's a lot of Russia-phobes.
Sorry, I'll let you finish that and then I'll go to my article.
ian crossland
It seems like the liberal people that are acting is a fractal behavior of the liberal economic order which has literally gone around the world setting up military bases in disarming countries like Japan after World War II, arguably justified, I don't know.
But the fact that they would be like, stand down, get rid of your nukes, Ukraine.
Like, that's basically what these liberal people are trying to do to American citizens.
Get rid of your weapons, guy.
Like, you just fall on orders, fall on the path, you know, mindlessly, whatever it is.
tim pool
Is that going to be an effective human civilization?
A bunch of sheep just bleating about and then just eating grass?
ian crossland
No, I think diversity and, like, resistance is more effective.
If you look in nature, that seems to be what helps nature grow.
tim pool
Yeah, competition.
It helps advancements?
ian crossland
Yeah, you need a reason to want to work to go forward.
You just go forward because that's what happens.
You got to want it.
tim pool
Yeah.
lauren southern
Okay, can I read you this headline?
So talking about Russophobia, first of all, I want to point out, if you watch movies, you can always have a Russian villain.
You can always have like an East... I'd even just say a villain from Eastern Europe and no one really cares, right?
They're like, oh yeah, that's fine.
But if you have a villain that's, you know...
I mean, you could maybe do this 10 years ago, but a Muslim or something, people will lose their mind.
There was an article in the Globe and Mail today that said, Russians in the sports world are doing PR for Putin's war machine.
And they're talking about Alex Ovechkin, hockey player.
And I'm sure, did you guys see the tennis player that wrote no war on the camera?
So in this article they're saying all of that is pro-Russia, we need to basically, these athletes are all pro-Putin because they just said no war, they didn't say we hate Putin.
And it's like a full-on like hardcore kind of anti-Russian article and they're talking about Russians that are saying they don't want a war and saying no.
Enough of that.
There was an NBC, I think it was NBC, ex-executive that said, we need to start kicking Russian students out of America.
We need to start seizing their property.
And I'm like, there are, you know, there are thousands of Russians protesting against this war.
Like Russians are not Putin.
tim pool
You see someone vandalized, it was like a Russian club or something, like Russian American club somewhere, like smashed out the windows.
lauren southern
They banned all Russian vodka in Canada.
tim pool
In Canada?
lauren southern
Yeah, in LCBO.
I went and got a bunch of Russian standard vodka because they took it off the shelves two hours after I went and picked it up.
We should go pick some up.
ian crossland
I hear the Russian bathhouse in Manhattan is like the best bathhouse in the world.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
Are you pro-Putin?
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Wait, hold on.
unidentified
Let me go, Tim!
lauren southern
We got to experience the Spanish flu, and now we're getting to experience Cold War anti-Russian xenophobia.
How fun!
tim pool
You know, you gotta get a spice of life, I guess.
lauren southern
Yeah, cyclical.
tim pool
We had that video from Alex Jones where he was saying it's like a World War I, World War II buildup.
And he accurately predicted.
I mean, as much as he predicted it, he said back in, I think it was October, that there would be a big war in February.
So you have to wonder.
lauren southern
Yes.
Where's that jar?
Do you have that jar somewhere?
unidentified
Oh, it's downstairs.
tim pool
Alex Jones was right, Jar.
ian crossland
He's getting his advice.
tim pool
People were like, there should be more money in there already.
ian crossland
He has a lot of good context because that was some good info, apparently.
But I also, if you look at like the way the world inflation is going, you can kind of predict a conflict on the horizon back a couple of years ago.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
Price increases predict all of this stuff.
So you look at what's happening in the U.S.
and you've got all the tensions already.
And now, I mean, on top of that, the Russia-phobia, or whatever you want to call it, has been around since 2015.
They're the boogeyman and villain.
ian crossland
Russophobe.
tim pool
Russophobe.
But it's a big component of the culture war, is what I mean to say.
ian crossland
Russophile as well.
tim pool
No, no, so look, look.
You get people saying you're a Russian bot, you support Russia.
They say Tucker Carlson is pushing Russian talking points.
And it's like, what did Tucker Carlson say?
He said, here's what the West is doing in Ukraine.
Here's what Putin is saying.
And they're like, ah, he supports Putin.
So what's happening internationally is also a big component of the culture war.
You add into the fact that we already have terrible inflation.
Now this conflict is going to make gas prices worse.
Energy in Europe is going to get worse.
Escalating prices for energy and food and then shelter.
These precipitate major conflicts internally.
unidentified
Yeah.
So I got to say, man, it just feels like everything's kind of falling apart.
ian crossland
I was thinking about how, um, you said culture is politics downstream from culture.
And I was like, yeah, I really, I want to help the world.
If I was trying to get everyone fresh water and internet, if I do that for someone that's the enemy of someone else, that someone else is going to be really mad at me.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
Because that's going to help them grow and produce more humans.
But if I'm an entertainer, and that person is watching my movies, their enemies don't care.
In fact, their enemies are probably also watching my movies.
That's the beauty of entertainment.
It connects people.
Osama Bin Laden was playing Final Fantasy VII.
Was he really?
lauren southern
He played Animal Crossing.
unidentified
What?
Absolutely.
tim pool
He was a human being who played... Humanization is a problem.
Like, if you come out and you talk about why does Vladimir Putin want to do this, what are his intentions, then you're pro-Putin.
Like, that's literally what they said about Tucker Carlson.
lauren southern
Well, this is that PhD guy I was talking about.
It terrifies me how little we understand.
So, in China, in Russia, they understand us very well.
We do not understand the East.
But they get us.
You'll see it.
Even China will come out and they'll be like, go to the United Nations and they'll be like, oh, look at America.
We need to deal with America's racism problem.
George Floyd!
Woohoo!
Like as if they aren't super racist.
There are a lot of people anyways, obviously not all.
And there's definitely an unwillingness to understand them because it's like that's humanization.
You have to leave them as inhuman.
If you even try to understand the Eastern perspective, then you're pro-Putin, you're pro-China.
It also scares me, and I wanted to kind of talk about this quickly if you guys are willing to, but when we talk about making political decisions in the West it's on a four-year cycle.
It's just based on election cycles.
With Putin, with China, Russia, it's all like hundred year cycles.
You've seen China with the South China Sea.
That's been a hundred year plan.
We're going to slowly take this.
We're going to work on this.
And Putin, how long has Putin been?
ian crossland
At least 20 years.
lauren southern
Yeah, he's been in office ages, but they're looking on the long term.
We're not.
So they're like, short term pain economically now for Ukraine.
What's that looking like in 50 years for us?
That's how they're thinking.
tim pool
Well, there's a terrifying reality in that, to an extent, authoritarianism is efficient.
The problem is, people always get mad at me when I say that, and I'm like, it is.
That doesn't mean it's effective, efficient, different.
So here's what I mean.
Let's say you're in a car, and you're driving straight towards the edge of a cliff, and there's one guy in charge, and every single time someone screams and yells, we're headed for the cliff, he says, shut up, I'm driving.
You go off a cliff.
It was fast, it got the job done real quick, and then not effective.
If you had everybody in the car arguing over what to do...
You know, eventually someone screams and says, you've got to turn.
And everyone says, turn.
I say, OK, fine.
And they turn, you know, go off the cliff.
So the decentralized system of power, things can be sluggish.
But I think you're offered up more opportunity for averting disaster.
With someone like Vladimir Putin, he can move very quickly in a single direction.
China can move very quickly in a single direction.
They can wipe out a whole bunch of houses and then build a highway.
That sucks for the average person.
And then what happens is centralized power limits your ability to see what's going on.
A decentralized network of humans who are running something can come up with way more solutions, and then eventually the meritocratic solution finds its way to the top.
Not always.
With authoritarianism, you got one really smart person, you know, a philosopher king or a despot, either way, they can say, don't do this, it will be bad for us.
But they also are just one person, not the smartest person in the world, and they're not able to see everything, and they'll miss.
You know, you put it this way, 99 problems, they find one, they solve it very quickly, it's efficient, in the long run they miss out on all the other ones.
So I think decentralization is the safest path forward.
But Vladimir Putin, China, they're able to move.
lauren southern
But is it the safest when you are competing against people that can move quickly?
Because I think it's the safest on a worldwide scale, but not when you have competitors that
can go like...
seamus coughlin
I think there's another answer here.
unidentified
Sure.
seamus coughlin
I mean, I don't think it's so black and white.
So I agree with you that it's a huge issue that our thinking is so short term in the
United States.
I don't necessarily believe that long-term thinking is incompatible with a decentralized
system.
You just have to have a population that is virtuous and intelligent enough to want to
make decisions that will be better for the future.
So as it happens, our culture is really bad at cultivating virtue and encouraging people to move in a direction where they will make sacrifices today for a better future tomorrow.
If we were better at doing that we wouldn't need some kind of insane authoritarian system for people to make decisions that would actually be good for their children.
tim pool
So a really good point is when you have a unified culture You could theoretically have a despot, but no one cares because they all agree with the direction the culture is going in.
If the people of Russia are all like, we like what Putin is doing, it's part of our beliefs and our ideology, are they really going to be upset?
Obviously, there are people protesting.
I'm not saying they aren't.
seamus coughlin
I'm saying if everybody in China agrees with Chinese communism and are willing to make sacrifices for the greater culture, then Well, I think part of the problem is, and so for the United States, even though we've always had these four-year election cycles for the presidency, we were able to progress towards goals that took us quite a long time.
And that was because, for the most part, we were on the same page culturally.
A different political party Taking power from the political party that was just in power for 48 years didn't really mean the country was going to move in a radically different direction.
So you could achieve things that would take decades and decades to achieve because no matter who you voted for, they'd be interested in that.
Now the difference between the left is so massive and we...
Completely disagree on what's good for the country, and so that does mean every single time power changes hands, our country moves in a completely different direction, and we can never make any real progress.
tim pool
Well, let me clarify that.
See, I think you got a little bias there, Seamus.
You're assuming they're operating based on what's better for the country.
They aren't.
seamus coughlin
No, they're not.
tim pool
Objectively not.
seamus coughlin
I would agree that they're not.
tim pool
I mean, if you're for open borders, if you're for non-citizens voting, if you oppose the Constitution, you're literally not for this country.
seamus coughlin
No, I agree.
tim pool
Now look, here's the issue I take.
seamus coughlin
I never said they were for the country.
tim pool
You said, I'm being somewhat facetious, but you said deciding on what's best for the country.
seamus coughlin
Oh yeah, sure.
tim pool
They're actually arguing what's worst for the country.
seamus coughlin
I would agree.
ian crossland
Here's my issue.
tim pool
I have- if you're of the opinion that America sucks, and the woke are, and it should be dissolved or destroyed or overturned or dramatically altered or there should be a revolution, fine.
Just say it.
Just come out and be like, we hate this place, and I'll be like, alright.
Like, just be honest with me about it.
seamus coughlin
And that's the thing, a lot of them do, and then we're still willing to engage in conversation with them about what direction the country should move in.
tim pool
Well, I mean, like, the Democrats, like, the actual political class, and the neocons, of course.
lauren southern
I don't think it's just the Democrats and the neocons, though.
It's been, like, a fascinating trend to watch some of the people that hate this country the most be right-wing nationalists.
Have you not seen the memes where people are like, hey, you're a fascist, you're a bigot, you're a white male, we hate you, and then, hey man, come and go to war with Russia with us, and they're like, no.
F you.
I hope you die.
Like, they're like, I hate this country now.
I hope it collapses.
John Doyle did a whole post on it and he's like, you know, we're in a regime that is conquered by a globalist liberal power.
It's crazy to see, you know, nationalists being super against America.
tim pool
Well, so, interestingly, Stephen Marsh, we had him on the show, he wrote the book The Next Civil War, and he summarized it in a way I hadn't heard someone summarize it, and I think he nailed it.
He said, within the United States, there's a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic, and they can't coexist.
And I was like, you nailed it.
I mean, that explains it.
I mean, they want to get rid of the Electoral College, which would be devastating.
seamus coughlin
Insane.
tim pool
Yeah, they're for open borders, to a great degree.
I don't, you know, they always come out and they nitpick.
It's like, no, no, to a great degree.
They've been, you know, the Democratic establishment's been smuggling migrant children, illegal immigrant children across the country on planes, on military planes.
They're very much at odds.
They don't believe in the Constitution.
Then they, but here's the issue I take.
If you want a multicultural democracy, okay, present your case, make your
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
argument, go vote.
Let's let's, let's have that conversation.
Um, the problem is the line.
They come out and they say we're for this country and the constitution.
Let 800,000 non-citizens vote New York.
And you're like, they're not citizens.
ian crossland
Being for the country and being for the constitution are different because the
federal reserve was formed literally the bank of international service.
This is like a mind worm in our system.
It's been in there for like over a hundred years, and that is the country.
So I don't love that, but I love the Constitution.
tim pool
No, no, no, but hold on.
Look, Ian, if a brain slug landed on your head and took over your body, I wouldn't say, well, I guess Ian's gotta go.
I'd be like, get rid of the brain slug.
ian crossland
You would, because you know me, but everyone that saw me would be like, hey, Ian's acting crazy.
tim pool
Right.
That's right.
And it's been, what, a hundred years or whatever?
lauren southern
So you have to detect what the virus is.
seamus coughlin
I want to point this out, Tim.
You're talking about the fact that these people will not come out and say that they hate the United States of America.
And at some point, And I'm sure you agree with this.
I'm sure I'm not going to get much pushback here, but we'll see.
At some point, they don't really have to.
It's like that person who tells you they don't hate someone, but then every single thing they say about them is bad.
And whenever they talk about the goodness that they might potentially find in that person, they say, well, they could improve in this way.
They could hold themselves to the actual standards that they've set.
It's like, okay, you hate them.
And I'm not going to be all that surprised if you're actually rooting for their downfall instead of trying to make them better, because everything you say about them is critical.
ian crossland
Criticizing with good faith is different than criticizing with trying to destroy someone.
tim pool
I agree with you.
The issue is there are a lot of conservatives, there are a lot of moderates, and libertarians who think that the left is being honest when they say these things.
Like, you know, so again, to throw it back to the conversation we had with Stephen Marsh, I said, you know, in California they tried repealing their civil rights legislation or provision from their constitution.
You know, they actually are in favor of segregation.
He goes, yeah, well, they're saying so are you.
And I'm like, and they're lying.
Well, they're saying you're lying.
And I'm like, yes, but they literally tried to pass a proposition to repeal the civil rights language in their constitution.
I didn't.
And I'm not sitting here advocating for any conservative to do that either.
I'm saying, hey, don't.
But the problem is for a regular person, you know, he was saying, look, I'm about 30,000 feet watching this thing.
And then I'm like, and you need to dig deeper to see exactly who really is lying and telling the truth.
ian crossland
That's what I want to know.
What's the mind worm?
What do you think it is?
lauren southern
What do I think the minor is?
tim pool
The liberal economic order?
lauren southern
Yeah, I think it's the downfall of liberalism right now.
I mean, you've had communism failed, fascism failed, liberalism went forward and was successful, but it's something that it may last longer, but it's still coming to the end of its life.
It's eating itself.
ian crossland
Is it classical liberalism or did it get the name twisted?
tim pool
I want to respond to that.
So liberalism is failing, but not as an ideology unto itself.
Communism fails because communism is psychotic and doesn't work.
Liberalism failed because liberalism allows the malignancy to come within it.
ian crossland
But is it the classical liberalism was working and they changed the definition of the word liberalism, just reused it for this new military?
lauren southern
That's what he's saying.
It allows the freedom for that distortion because it allows so much freedom.
tim pool
And then here's what happens.
When, uh, when I am weak, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles.
And when I'm strong, I deny you freedom because it's according to mine.
So what happens is we have these liberals.
It's, it's, it's happening like true liberals, like classical liberals, like civil libertarians.
It's all of us.
When we keep saying things like, look, I understand this far leftist is saying crazy things, but I have to respect their right to free speech.
And they go, thank you so much.
Ban him.
He's a bigot.
And then you get banned.
So we all keep playing fair and saying, we have principles, so we want to uphold them.
And they say, thank you for doing that.
ian crossland
But a good example of how that can also work in your favor in that situation, like Majid Nawaz was in prison for basically in Egypt for terrorism.
He's on Joe Rogan.
Great show.
You guys got to check this episode of Groundbreaking.
It was Amnesty International.
He was like anti-west, you know, anti-everything.
He was like a terrorist, basically, against the West.
And Amnesty International still wanted him free because he was being unjustly held.
And he was like, why?
Why does this idea of this liberty, this Western thing, want me free, even though I want it destroyed?
Because that's the idea of freedom, is that we protect your right to protest the system.
And he had never done any violence.
You know, he had just been talking about it.
tim pool
Let me pull this story up, because this is relevant to what we're talking about.
This is a tweet from Fox News.
Not backing down.
Ukrainian parliament member on inspiring civilian resistance.
We know that we not only fight for Ukraine, we fight for this new world order.
What?
Actual quote from Kira Rudik.
And the interesting thing is there's like some articles that have kind of framed it as though she was saying, I can't remember if it was a national post, they were like, she was saying the invasion would precipitate a new world order or something.
No, she's saying she's fighting for it.
But is she referring to it in the proper noun sense of what the New World Order is?
Or is she using this phrase as a buzz phrase she heard somewhere?
lauren southern
I mean it's obviously it's just even if it is just a buzz phrase and she doesn't understand a terrible language especially when you've already got so many people that are like oh look at George Soros loves this this is like NATO this is this country is an experimental country created to create American bases and NATO and spread liberal ideology like terrible language when you've already got people talking about all of that.
It is worth simply talking about the fact that the Western ideology, even though it's morphed into something else now, what some people would call the New World Order, some people would call this amalgamation of larger institutions, it is constantly wanting to spread itself to other countries.
And Ukraine is one of those countries.
And if it's just Western values that it has, that's great.
But if it is getting this mind worm of all the other things that is causing America to You know, decay in a lot of ways, then that's a problem, isn't it?
tim pool
I don't know about, you know, the grand conspiracy of the New World Order.
I know it's been said by several world leaders.
I think George H.W.
Bush said it in the 90s.
lauren southern
I think it's the same word as like the deep state.
unidentified
Right.
lauren southern
Or it's like it exists, but it's not, you know, lizard people.
It's like there are people that there are people within the administration that stay there even when presidents change.
unidentified
And that's very normal.
lauren southern
And people can call it the deep state and they can mean it as lizard people or they can just mean it as I've asked Alex Jones, what's the difference between the deep state and the shadow government?
ian crossland
And he was like, the deep state, basically the administrative state, the people that get hired and stay there for 40 years and they're not elected, but they're on the floor of Congress.
But then the shadow government is like a secretive kind of global governance that's in place in case of nuclear war, that's going to take control.
That's what Alex told me.
tim pool
So here's the issue I take with this whole like idea of the new world order is there's a weird overlap between what China is doing and people saying like, you know, Biden is a puppet of Xi and they want to bring Chinese style social credit systems here.
But then when it comes to the Russian invasion, China's on the side of Russia and opposed to the U.S.
and the U.S.
is desperate to like, it's like begging China, please help us.
ian crossland
Not only U.S.
Are you talking about this invasion right now?
The bank.
So Switzerland.
You mentioned earlier, Switzerland defied its neutrality.
Switzerland is the home of the Bank of International Settlements, which is the central bank of central banks.
And now it's fighting on the side of... against Russia, or whatever side this is.
tim pool
Here's what I mean, like, if there was a... Which is it?
Are we, is China's influence expanding around the world?
And now we're, you know, Democrats went and met with China and, you know, these communist party members and said, wow, look at the speed at which you can build a highway.
This is one of the stories we've heard.
They went and they're like, how do we do this?
And now you've got this happening in the West.
Or is it the liberal economic order that wants to unify United States, Western nations through NATO or whatever, the European Union?
Both can't be true.
Right, to a certain degree, there can be some issues.
That's why I'm like, it needs to be properly defined what it is.
It's China, or is the grand conspiracy that Russia's invasion was all part of the conspiracy for the new... How many levels of underwater backgammon are we playing?
lauren southern
Right, exactly.
tim pool
Or is it just like, make it simple, this lady said something dumb because she's dumb.
You know, or is she part of a secret plot to overthrow?
lauren southern
It's like the Australian, the Australian, like health minister that said this is all about what was Klaus Schwab calling it?
Thank you, Lydia.
lydia smith
The New World Order thing?
lauren southern
No, she didn't say New World Order.
unidentified
The Great Reset?
lauren southern
Yeah, she's like, this is for the Great Reset.
And everyone was playing that.
And it's like, why are you using these words?
ian crossland
Yeah, really.
They do sound cool.
So maybe it could just be it sounded cool.
Like, New World Order sounds cool.
Really cool.
lauren southern
The new normal.
seamus coughlin
And it can also literally just be for publicity because they get people talking about it.
They go, well, that's not how I meant it.
Obviously, you insane conspiracy theorist, but now you are talking about it.
ian crossland
That's what they want.
In this mind war that we are in, fifth generational warfare, that's what they want to happen is for people to accidentally start saying we should do what that other, what they want them, what they want.
lauren southern
It's hard to believe.
Anything you watch, nothing you watch or read online, it's like, is this 12 levels Irony.
Is this a serious statement?
Was it a mistake?
Even watching this war live, we always talked about what would it be like if we had Instagram and Twitter and everything when World War II was happening.
And now we've got it, and all we're getting is a ton of fake information.
So we've got the the ghost of Kiev, who was actually, it was like a video game simulation video that went viral.
tim pool
and then um obviously you had the footage of or the recording of the 13 people that were allegedly killed on snake island by the russian government and like awful but then the russian i saw rt published an article saying no we actually took them captive here's a video of that and i'm like oh my gosh there's so much different information being put out here what are you even yeah look at this hold on hold on The video showing Ukrainian fighter pilot shooting down a Russian plane, the Ghost of Kiev clip is from a video game, not a video of fighting in Ukraine.
This is from PolitiFact.
lauren southern
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren southern
And there were even left-wing articles.
Actually, I won't say left-wing, because I don't want to... I don't like portraying it as left-wing versus right with Russia versus Ukraine, because Ukraine is actually very nationalist.
There are a lot of right-wingers, a lot of people that support... The majority of people are supporting Ukraine, obviously.
This is an invasion by Russia.
unidentified
But...
lauren southern
Yeah, there were progressive articles saying actually it's good as long as it's positive misinformation and the ghost of Kiev is misinformation that is boosting morale.
unidentified
And I can see how there's an argument for that, but also like...
lauren southern
No, it's still misinformation.
tim pool
Yeah, I think the truth will set you free and we should have honest information and assessments and understanding and people should be motivated by that.
The problem is you've got, you know, I think within the parent factions, you can call it the multicultural democracy versus constitutional republic, one side favors truth and discussion and pragmatism and one side favors control.
Yeah.
The multicultural democracy faction is just like, everyone get in line.
The majority rules.
And the Constitutional Republic is, make your argument, state your case.
ian crossland
I think it's like the truth about what though, because I understand why in the truth, but not only are you get to choose how you want to demand what you want to demand, but you also have to decide what it is that you're, what it is that you're going to demand about.
Like what is real?
What are these people creating?
And this is, this is a vague way to put this.
Maybe I can come back at this later and be a little more clear.
Do you guys understand what I'm talking about?
The people that are like obsessed with the truth, you're also creating reality.
So if you drop bombs on someone, Yeah, you can speak the truth.
I killed a bunch of people.
I'm not going to say that.
It's not me.
In Minecraft.
This crazy guy might say, that was the truth.
He was speaking the truth, but he was also a violent, evil person.
So the truth isn't enough.
You need to be good as well.
We're talking about war, and what's good in war.
tim pool
What I mean is, in the U.S., someone says, I think our country should be doing certain things.
And I say, why do you think that?
And they say, take a look at this information, this historical record, and what's happening right now.
Wouldn't you agree with me?
And I'd say, you make a really good point.
I don't agree on that issue, but maybe there's something we can do.
The left says, you're racist, you're a bigot, X, Y, and Z really happened.
You should vote for me on this policy because Putin is, you know, kidnapping babies.
Or how about, you know, the Desert Storm?
The woman who said, oh, they're killing babies and all that stuff.
They lie to convince you to give them something.
The problem with that is if we're not in the service of function, of meritocracy, of effectiveness, then it's just ripping things apart.
Things are being destroyed.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
If somebody says, I believe we should take this action for fake reason, there's a good chance they're wrong about that action.
There's a good chance it just makes everything worse.
If someone's got a really good point to be made and they give you the evidence for their decisions, you can say, I understand and I agree.
Let's give it a shot.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
I mean, don't trust anyone who says that they're willing to allow misinformation to spread if it helps their agenda get Well, but because at bottom what they're saying is, I'm not sure if any of what I'm about to tell you for my position is actually true, but I do want you to believe it.
ian crossland
See, Winston Churchill used to tell the British that they were going to win the war, but he didn't know.
It was just propaganda.
tim pool
He was just trying to make them feel good.
ian crossland
Well, if you were a leader in a military and then your country, there's some war, would you not use propaganda?
tim pool
No, no, no.
There's a big difference between saying, Ian, if you give me $10, then I'll go save a whale and then take your 10 bucks and go buy a beer with it.
ian crossland
There's a difference of lying and just creating propaganda.
tim pool
And me saying, give me the $10, I will save these whales, and then I try and fail.
There's a big difference there.
ian crossland
Oh, that's a good point.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
But we only found out after the fact.
tim pool
If a general comes out and says, we are going to win, it's like, yeah, that's an opinion.
He's like, he's trying to boost morale, then I get.
We're gonna do it.
lauren southern
But what if he knows you're gonna lose anyways, and he's just doing that?
Like, I think this, no, but this is the question.
Is there ethical misinformation?
Like you think about a kid who's about to die in a hospital and they're terrified and asking you, mom, doctor, am I going to die?
And you hold their hand.
Yeah, you're going to die.
No, like probably telling them you're going to be fine and letting them pass away in their sleep would be the ethical thing to do.
Even if it's a lie.
tim pool
I suppose, yeah.
I think, you know, we often talk about the nuance in information.
Censorship is a good one.
There is such a thing as good censorship.
People say censorship is wrong.
It's always wrong.
It's not true at all.
When someone's posting, like, child abuse on social media, censors should remove that.
And the person who posts it, illegal stuff, should be taken down.
Censorship can be good.
Lying can be good.
Like you said, if there's a child who's dying and no good is served by making the child suffer by freaking him out, then maybe you know the kid's got an hour to live and you're like, don't worry, everything's gonna be fine, your parents are here, everything's great, and then they pass away.
And it's calm and peaceful and they're not scared.
lauren southern
So like, can that be used on a mass scale, though, like you were saying with Winston Churchill, like just propaganda, even, even like, you know, they use dehumanization of the other forces, because they'd have that problem with people not pulling the trigger if they think of, oh, if you went out and you're like telling the truth, these people are just like you.
If you sat down and had a chocolate bar with them, you could talk for hours and have a beer and they're just like you.
Who's going to pull the trigger in that war?
It's a tough question.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, you've got to use propaganda.
seamus coughlin
I think getting back to sort of the ethical bedrock here of whether it's ever okay to lie and looking at this example of a child who's dying, I think there's also an argument to be made that you can comfort the child without lying to them.
You don't have to literally say you are going to die.
Or even in that instance, for example, if you come from a religious household, you actually believe your child is going to go to heaven and be with Jesus.
You tell them that you're going to go to heaven and be with Jesus.
It doesn't require that you lie to them necessarily.
And so I would say, when it comes to dealing with people on a mass scale, if you're lying, you are doing something wrong.
That's what I genuinely believe.
Yeah, I mean look- And I understand that's a controversial position because there are a lot of white lies that people accept that you can't tell.
Fundamentally, I believe that lying is never okay for any reason.
tim pool
So let's talk about war for a second.
Let's say you're going into war, you know for a fact you're gonna win, and you stand in front of all the troops and be like, we're gonna win.
And everyone cheers, and then you win.
That's fine, you told the truth.
Let's say you're not entirely sure, it could go either way, but you're gonna rally people and say, we will win.
That's different, right?
The idea is like, you have a fighting chance so long as people believe.
Then if you believe and everyone's got morale boosted, I think it's fair to say you will win.
I'm okay with that.
If you know for a fact you're going to lose, and there's limited purpose served, and you're just sending people to die, wrong.
ian crossland
No, but there are times where they knew they were gonna lose, and they said, we're gonna stay and we're gonna win, and then lightning strikes the enemy camp, and stuff like that has happened.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's true that you don't know anything for sure, but I think there's a really important point to be made here, which is that you get into an interesting ethical question when you ask, is it lying to say something as if you know it for sure when you don't?
I think that's a lot more complicated.
I would argue That telling your soldiers you are going to win when there's a chance that you're not going to win could actually negatively affect your chances.
Because we're just going to win.
But if you tell your soldiers this could go either way, you got to fight really hard to make sure that we come out on top.
That could be better for morale.
tim pool
That's a good point, actually.
And you would say we're going to win so long as you put everything behind it.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
This depends on you.
tim pool
Don't falter.
ian crossland
I think that people perform better when they think they're going to win.
tim pool
Well, people vote for the candidate they think is going to win just because they think they're going to win.
lauren southern
But like, wouldn't there, okay, so you look at like the Gallipoli campaign, showing up on those beaches and just seeing everyone slaughtered around you and being told like, you know, you're going to win, you're going to win this war.
And then wouldn't that like rush doubts through your head?
Everything I've been told is a lie.
Everything for this cause is a lie.
Winston Churchill sent us here to die.
ian crossland
World War II, like, I don't know, midway through the war, they decided to invade near Italy.
Gallipoli, that's part of an island?
lauren southern
Turkey.
ian crossland
Absolutely.
They just beachheaded it and landed and it was just a slaughter.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Absolutely.
An Australian annihilation.
Yeah.
tim pool
Devastation.
I think you got to be honest.
But this is the challenge.
The cheaters will lie and the cheaters get that advantage.
And so you got to hope that.
ian crossland
I think.
seamus coughlin
But I think you got to lie, man.
I don't like it.
Because you end up in such a tangled web of misinformation that you're not making decisions based on reality anymore.
It does catch up to you.
tim pool
It depends on what your goal is.
So when you look at a lot of these establishment players, I feel like most of their goals is just individual power, self-interest.
They want a nice house for themselves.
Like that BLM lady who owns like five houses or whatever.
Okay, whatever.
You know, they come out and they claim they're doing all these good things.
They lie.
Sure, for humanity, it sucks.
It's making everything worse.
People burn down buildings and die.
But the individual succeeded in their plan.
Lying helped them.
They got what they wanted.
They extracted what they could.
And then those of us that say, you know, we got to be as honest as possible.
It's, you know, I'll give you an example.
Um, with the stories that are coming on the ghost of Kiev at snake island.
What was I saying the other day, Ian, about the ghost of Kiev?
I've not seen any evidence.
It's a true story.
I've not seen, I've seen clips on the internet of a plane.
I don't know what that is.
It is a cool story.
It's masculine.
It's a hero.
It's ace fighter pilot.
So it's cool.
It boosts morale, but I don't know that it's true.
Now it turns out at least some of the footage was not even real.
It was from a video game.
And so people are like, maybe this is not real.
It's propaganda.
And it probably is the case.
The same thing happened with Covington.
When that story came out, people sent me this video and I'm like, it's some kid standing there.
I have no idea what this is.
Well, look at the kid's face.
I'm like, what about his face?
I don't know.
And so I looked and someone sent me a Facebook live stream showing what happened.
And I was like, I don't understand.
The Native American dude walked up to him.
Why are you mad?
Like, people are mindless towards this stuff.
They just don't care.
They want to believe it.
The manipulation I think with the Covington kids really ended up being very detrimental to the media organizations.
But if your goal is just to maximize your individual profits, you don't care how much damage you're causing to the system or the country or the people.
ian crossland
It's a big problem.
Honesty, if you see a video of a jet flying, you'll be like, I saw a jet flying yesterday.
But no, you didn't.
You saw a video, a bunch of pixels of some data.
You didn't see the jet.
And so when we're in the metaverse and we're experiencing reality, what we think we're seeing, we're saying, anyway, I'm sorry.
lauren southern
It's only one angle.
Oh, yeah.
No, I just had a thought that was like, you know, I was thinking about your point.
You're like, people who lie will eventually lose.
And I'm like, maybe the reason that the lies are necessary is because we've had a cultural and moral decay, whereas the lies wouldn't be necessary without that, because you could just tell someone, yeah, you know what, you might die.
But this is a cause worth dying for.
Whereas today, people are like, no, I don't want to fight unless we're going to win.
tim pool
Like I was saying about the border guards who don't care about what's happening at the border.
There's a video that got released recently of a plane landing at an airport in, I think, What's the Westchester?
Is that north of New York?
I think it was, maybe.
But it lands north of New York, and there's a federal contractor, and there's a cop, and he's like, what are you doing?
And they're like, I don't know, we're supposed to do this.
And he's like, okay, well, you're not supposed to, but we're gonna let you do it anyway.
And then the contractor says to the cop, no one can know we're doing this.
And he's like, why?
And he's like, because the government's betrayed the American people.
Those are two guys.
that don't care about this country at all.
And one's a federal contractor and one's a cop.
That, I think, is indicative of what's happening in this country.
That you would witness a serious crime by your government and be like, don't care, doesn't affect me.
You know, I think about these stories I hear from, you know, Morocco or Brazil or Russia about bribing cops.
And they say it's the norm.
You're in South America and you get pulled over a slip of 50 bucks and you're on your way, right?
lauren southern
South African driver's license, it's just like... Is that what it's called?
They call it a driver's license in any country you go to where you can do that.
tim pool
But in the United States, you can't do that.
You try bribing a cop, no one would even try because they know the cops are probably going to be like, you can't afford me and I'm not risking... I got a body camera, it's never going to happen.
But there is a certain degree of corruption that we're starting to tolerate, and that is complete self-interest.
Is it so different, a bribe, right?
If I give you cash versus if you overlook a serious federal crime by your government because you like the money you're being given by them.
lauren southern
Yeah, I think we've just got better PR than a lot of the rest of the world.
ian crossland
Yeah, American propaganda is the best in the world, for sure.
tim pool
Let me tell you about where this country's at.
How about that?
lauren southern
The finest.
tim pool
This is a segment for all of our socialist friends out there.
We have this story from barons.com.
I love the name.
Russia's SWIFT exclusion could spur cyber attacks.
10 stocks that could benefit.
That's an amazing headline if I've ever seen it.
So let me break that down.
seamus coughlin
What were you saying about moral decay, Lauren?
lauren southern
Moral decay.
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
SWIFT is the International Payment System.
It's like the Society for Worldwide... What is it?
International or something or whatever.
ian crossland
Financial transactions.
tim pool
Yeah, there you go.
I don't know, something like that.
And it's the banking system.
So they're slowly kicking out Russia's banks from SWIFT, which I believe could result in Russia being unleashed.
They're already sanctioned.
They're already in this position.
And now you're saying, we're going to remove any leverage we have over you outright.
Just get rid of it.
lauren southern
So it's backing them into a corner.
tim pool
Or unleashing them, letting them off the hook, or letting them off the leaf.
lauren southern
What's the quote?
A man with nothing left to lose is a dangerous man.
Yes.
tim pool
And so, uh, I believe, you know, I said this before that I think banning Russia from SWIFT would be a huge mistake because you're effectively escalating the conflict the most extreme way possible.
Russia's now got no ties to these other countries or financial institutions, so if they nuke you, it won't affect them because you're now severed.
You severed all those economic ties.
Well, Barron's, excellent name by the way, is saying you can benefit by Well, they're not saying you could they're saying 10 stocks that could benefit and they go on to list a bunch of companies Like hey, you know, you know what they're saying They're basically telling people without telling them directly buy these stocks war is good for profits Always a way to make money in the markets, I suppose
ian crossland
And here I am trying to figure out what stocks they're telling me to buy.
tim pool
Palantir?
ian crossland
Oh, of course, Palantir.
tim pool
Yeah, they say Palo Alto Networks, Zscaler, CrowdStrike, Tenable Holdings, Verana Systems, Fortinet, Telos, Mandiant, Palantir, and CyberArk Software.
lauren southern
So is it ethical to make money off the decline?
tim pool
Why wouldn't it be?
ian crossland
I don't even know what the word ethics means anymore.
unidentified
Can you define that for me?
lauren southern
But I guess so much of that has become an individual thing rather than something we would all agree on.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's sociological ethics and then there's personal ethics.
tim pool
This is a good question though.
Is it okay to profit off the decline of the United States?
lauren southern
I tweeted out that I bought a bunch of Russian vodka the other day before they banned it.
People were like, this is really unethical of you to go get embargoed products.
You want to make money off it?
And I'm like, you know what?
I can't do anything to stop it.
ian crossland
I think that as a society, it's unethical not to profit off of the decline of nature.
The destruction and creation of nature, if we're not trying to profit off of it, then we're not doing our system justice.
seamus coughlin
Well, what do you mean by the destruction of nature?
ian crossland
And I guess also define profit.
lauren southern
What if the profiting off it makes it worse, like accelerates it?
tim pool
Well, yeah, definitely.
unidentified
That's bad.
Yeah.
tim pool
I guess, I guess, you know, hold on.
A lot of people are probably going to say not true.
Rip off the Band-Aid or peel it slowly.
lauren southern
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, uh.
ian crossland
Rip it off, but rip it with the hair, not against the hair.
tim pool
Have you seen that meme where it's like, in the event of a nuclear strike, lay down, face towards the blast, put your hands on your head, that way the blast hits your head sooner and you'll die faster?
Oh my goodness.
It's like a dark meme.
ian crossland
Was it unethical for them to tell kids to duck and cover in the Cold War?
Get under your desk, and then the nuclear blast, you might have some chance to survive, which they wouldn't, and they knew they wouldn't.
seamus coughlin
No, yeah, depending on the distance, you actually can be shielded from some of the radiation.
tim pool
Yeah, the initial blast radius for a lot of nuclear bombs is not It's not as wide as people think.
They think it's like 30 miles.
It's like a half mile maybe, which is massive.
There was this thing I think the New York Times did where they showed an overlay of different nuclear bombs and how it would affect Manhattan.
And it's like, yeah, from river to river, Manhattan is hit.
So if you're in Jersey City and Manning gets hit by a nuke, you're not in the immediate blast or radiation zone, but you're going to get hit by the shockwave.
So you duck and cover because glass and shards are going to go flying.
lauren southern
Do you guys have a bomb shelter?
No.
tim pool
No, but you know, let's get the shovel.
lauren southern
None of you have a bombshell.
On Zillow they were selling a warhead like missile underground.
Oh yeah, I saw that.
unidentified
Did you see that?
lauren southern
That was wild.
tim pool
It was like 300k.
lauren southern
Yeah.
tim pool
Go pick it up.
lauren southern
Get a missile silo.
tim pool
You could and they're really deep and it's not even that expensive.
Like you got to think about buying a house these days, the prices are going up.
300k, what is it like 16 floors?
lauren southern
That's cheaper than a townhouse.
Go live in a missile silo, guys.
tim pool
Was it Jake, Paul, or like Mr. Beast?
They went to one of these emergency shelter nuclear silos?
lydia smith
That'd be fun.
tim pool
And it's like you live underground for 30 years in the event of a nuclear strike or something?
lauren southern
But does it come with the missile is the real question.
tim pool
I think they took the missile.
They took it.
lauren southern
How can you still call it?
It's just a silo then.
It's just a silo.
ian crossland
It's no longer a missile silo.
seamus coughlin
It's false advertising.
ian crossland
Just an empty silo.
tim pool
Well, I can tell you this.
I don't think it's wrong to profit necessarily.
It depends on how you look at it.
But I'll say, since all of this stuff has been happening and getting crazier, I've certainly bought stuff that I think is going to help me.
I've bought, you know, we've got bug out kits, we've gotten emergency food.
That's just like, I would like to survive if bad stuff happens.
But I've bought silver and gold.
I've bought Bitcoin.
And Bitcoin just went up quite a bit.
So, as soon as they were talking about banning Russia from SWIFT, I was like, I better buy more Bitcoin.
When I learned about... Well, so real quick, because if Russia's kicked off of SWIFT, they're gonna have to replace their international transactions with some kind of infrastructure, and Bitcoin is essentially free infrastructure.
They still have to build some Russian-specific hubs and stuff.
So then I thought, why would they use anything but Bitcoin if they've already got a bunch, if it already exists, and it's already connected internationally?
You're effectively telling them to go on this decentralized shadow network instead of the government-controlled one?
They're gonna be like, fine, I thought Bitcoin's gonna skyrocket because of this.
But more importantly, I don't want to be holding US dollars.
Let me just tell you, man, that beer you got there?
Old 690, it's a great place.
lauren southern
Gone.
tim pool
Prices, oh yeah, for sure.
They're a local brewery and their prices went up.
And I noticed like, maybe we bought more, I don't know, but it was more expensive than a couple months ago when we bought it.
And it's probably inflation.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We went to go buy some whiskey from the liquor store.
We get the good stuff.
The price doubled.
lauren southern
That's the trifecta!
We've got the pandemic, we've got the Russophobia of the Cold War, but now we've got to get the economic crash.
tim pool
The 80s gas shortage and hyperinflation.
lauren southern
We've got to get the hyperinflation, the wheelbarrows of cash.
ian crossland
When I was, it was 2006, 7, 8, when I first learned about the military economic order, basically, I was like, well, I can't profit off this in good conscience.
So I stopped making money completely.
I was totally poor for like a decade.
Lived in abject, almost, not abject poverty, but pretty close to like living in my car kind of poverty, because I just did not want to profit off the system.
But it was to the point where I was destroying myself.
Like, I couldn't participate and help the system.
And I realized, if you want to untangle a ball of yarn, first you need to get a hold of the ball of yarn.
I need to be rich to fix this system from the inside.
So I am profiting off this unethical treatment of our slaves in Uyghur China and things like that.
tim pool
Rich is probably the wrong word.
You need to command influence.
ian crossland
That's true, because one of the greatest things money gets you is influence.
And that's what a lot of these rich people want to do, is buy a YouTuber and speak their words for them.
tim pool
And that's actually, I think, a contradictory statement.
Money doesn't buy you influence.
You can try to buy influence.
Michael Bloomberg.
Exactly, Michael Bloomberg.
That guy dumped a lot of money into this show.
ian crossland
He had a diminishing return on his investment.
tim pool
No, it's because his ideas are garbage.
That's true.
So he dumped half a billion dollars.
So people were saying it was really funny.
They were like, Tim, you did a video ragging on Michael Bloomberg and a Bloomberg ad appeared.
And I was like, I would like to thank Michael Bloomberg for sponsoring a video where I rag on him for 20 minutes.
seamus coughlin
We did a cartoon about this when the Bloomberg advertisements were everywhere, just ripping on the Bloomberg advertisements, if y'all want to check that out.
And people were commenting like, oh, I got a Bloomberg advertisement for this.
Of course.
tim pool
Because he's trying to counter that messaging from you, but it doesn't work.
seamus coughlin
Doesn't work.
No, it makes my video funnier.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so look, there was a really funny story I read once from BuzzFeed.
Maybe I shouldn't say it's funny, but there's this YouTuber who had 300k subscribers and was working as a waitress.
And she said one day a little girl was like, oh my god, you're so-and-so.
Why are you working as a waitress?
And she was like, oh, I just, you know, it's a job.
And then she went in the back and cried.
Because, like, she's famous but broke.
And it's like, yes, you can have a lot of influence and no money.
Well, influence is more valuable in a lot of ways.
lauren southern
And depending on the type of influence you're trying to do, if you're trying to threaten
systems that do have more money than you, there is a cutoff point for how influential
you're going to be.
Because if you don't have any money to fight back what these people are going to do to
you, they will steamroll you.
The rich can absolutely squash the poor in anything.
It's true.
This is why the press focus on YouTubers when they slander people.
unidentified
You know, you'll have someone... Who's the guy from Braveheart?
lauren southern
I can't remember.
ian crossland
Mel Gibson.
unidentified
Mel Gibson, thank you.
lauren southern
The spear hit hard.
He'll literally call Jews oven dodgers and you'll get plenty of articles from mainstream media that are like, Mel Gibson on a fancy vacation at this show, at that show.
But a YouTuber will say one off-color word like They'll say, redart once or something, and that'll get a whole article in all these different outlets.
They'll only be referred to as extremist, right-wing, this, that, because they know they can get away with it, because Mel Gibson can afford massive amounts of lawyers and representative, whereas YouTubers don't really have that role.
tim pool
I think, I think we've got, um, with Kyle Rittenhouse's, you know, he's gonna do those.
lauren southern
Yeah, but he's got, he's gonna be bankrolled.
tim pool
No, no, no, for sure, for sure, but I'm saying him and Project Veritas, I think, are gonna help change that game.
lauren southern
But there's still, they've hit that threshold of the amount of money you have to have to be able to fight back against the elites.
Because if you are just small, if you're someone, I mean, Tommy Robinson had money, but you can just send someone to jail.
unidentified
Or you can block the crowdfunding.
Yeah, you can't afford a lawyer.
ian crossland
If they know you're threatening, the idea is to change the system without them realizing that it's, like Uber appeared and it was a threat to the taxi system, but they didn't realize it until Uber was prevalent.
tim pool
I just think people got to see Wikipedia.
lauren southern
I would love to do that, but every lawyer has said not possible.
tim pool
Yeah, we talked about this a little bit before the show because I said this to James O'Keefe as well.
I said, sue Wikipedia, the organization, directly.
And the issue everyone says is, oh, but it's user-generated content.
No, it's not.
lauren southern
Well, then why does every lawyer tell me that it's not possible?
tim pool
Because they haven't gone to the website and looked at it.
lauren southern
If there is a lawyer watching this that can sue Wikipedia with me, send me an email.
ian crossland
So you guys are saying before the show, you're saying on Wikipedia, you go to the Wikipedia article, and then there's a byline, and the byline says, from Wikipedia.
So they're basically claiming they are the author of this story.
tim pool
Yeah, so we have this story from Wikipedia.
Lauren, is it Cherie?
lauren southern
Cherie.
tim pool
Cherie is a Canadian alt-right political activist and white nationalist and YouTuber.
Lauren, are you alt-right?
lauren southern
I'm not alt-right, and I'm not a white nationalist, but they... And you know, in an article with a living person, you have to, at least after this, put someone's rejection of a label, and they just won't even do that, and that's in their own, like, terms of, you know, how the website should function.
They just don't care.
tim pool
Well, so here's the issue, right?
You can see they've got weird, interesting, the sources here for alt-right, and it's an A and a B. Oh, and you're not supposed to use opinion pieces for, like, hardcore claims.
lauren southern
That could hurt someone's reputation, but they do it anyways.
tim pool
Here's the funny thing.
On my Wikipedia, they don't.
They've actually rejected a bunch of op-eds that were too over-the-top.
lauren southern
Bro, I don't know how you got away with that.
seamus coughlin
Because he knows Wikipedia can be sued, Lauren?
tim pool
Because I keep... Well, so with the articles about me, there was one... This is really interesting.
It said, Tim Pool has donated to multiple Republicans.
And then someone in the talk section said, if you actually search federal records, Tim Pool has donated to more Democrats than Republicans.
Sure, you can say he's donated to- because it's like- I think it's like Rand Paul.
lauren southern
But it's about what's left out of the story that matters.
tim pool
Exactly, and so- but then the editors were like, I don't think this is an accurate piece if they're omitting something like this, and so they rejected it outright.
lauren southern
Yeah, I always look at this and they could- you know, I would consider myself a documentary filmmaker.
You wouldn't even know I made documentaries if you read my Wikipedia page, and that's the- what I've gotten the most views for is my films that I've made, and you wouldn't even know reading this page.
tim pool
Well, so here's the point we were bringing up with lawsuits.
This is what I said to James O'Keefe.
It says on wikipedia.org, Lauren Southern from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
So, you know, there's some serious questions that need to be answered by many different courts from many different countries.
It may be that I'm wrong and the court decides that if a media outlet includes a byline of their own corporate name, But commenters provided the information for the formation of that article.
You can't sue them.
I would love a judge to pass that precedent and then just watch the absolute psychotic chaos that would unfold on the internet.
So right now is what you need to understand about Wikipedia.
First, I'll present it to you like this.
If, um, Seamus over here, Freedom Toons Coghlan, posts on Twitter that Lauren Southern is, you know, a big stupid doo-doo.
She is, it's true.
seamus coughlin
She's the worst out there.
tim pool
Lauren Southern did a backflip, a statement of fact, and that causes you damages because you have a vow of no backflips.
Well, you can't sue Twitter because the post says, at Seamus Coghlan.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But what if it said, at Twitter on it?
You could sue Twitter, right?
lauren southern
I mean, of course, of course, the premise makes sense, but I've never seen anyone do it.
What I have seen people do is so it's the whole what's a publisher and what's a platform.
What is that section 230 that covers this in the States?
Yeah, and people in Australia, they've sued.
Google.
Because Google, they choose what articles you see.
They're a publisher.
They publish things.
And they use Wikipedia as their main source.
It literally comes up in a separate sidebar.
Like if you look up on Google or in Southern, they feature that and publish that.
So you can sue Google for this because that's what they publish.
And it's been successful in the courts before.
tim pool
Really?
Well, here's what I'm saying.
So when we had James here, I mentioned this, and he was like, yeah, but, you know, Section 230, and I'm like, yo, the byline on this Wikipedia article is Wikipedia.
No one else.
So imagine this.
Imagine at TimCast.com, I tell people, hey, if you comment, we'll take all your comments and then post it as a legitimate news article.
Could you imagine if it said, you know, TimCast.com slash article byline, Tim Pool, and then it said, you know, a political, high-profile political individual took action, you know, did something that was clearly false, like, you know, uh, Nancy Pelosi punches baby in face.
And then, like, clearly defamatory, clearly libelous, clearly slander.
But, well, you can't sue me.
lauren southern
But does the language matter here?
Because it says from Wikipedia, not by Wikipedia.
And then it'll tell you these specific editors who put it.
tim pool
I'd love a judge to answer that question.
Because if a judge says, well, you know, that doesn't really count, then I'll be like, then I would love a judge to explain how you can have an article, it says article on the article, with a headline, Lauren Southern, with a byline below it, and now the organization that published it is exempt.
lauren southern
Whoa, I'm reading something on here.
It says I was demonetized by YouTube and banned from PayPal.
unidentified
I've never been banned from PayPal.
I use PayPal every day.
tim pool
What trash.
lauren southern
And I'm not demonetized on YouTube.
tim pool
So that's a false statement.
lauren southern
That's not even true.
seamus coughlin
What are they referring to here?
lauren southern
You know, when I was living in Australia, my Wikipedia said I was permanently banned from Australia.
They can literally just make shit up.
tim pool
It's wild.
So the issue is it needs to be tested in the courts.
I don't know if it would go to the Supreme Court or where it would end.
But a judge needs to answer for how this applies to Section 230 because Wikipedia does a lot.
Here's another thing.
You see that lock symbol next to your name?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That means it is not open to the public.
lauren southern
Interesting.
tim pool
The lock means only specific Wikipedia individuals.
I have no idea how to access that.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I would have no idea how to edit your page as a member of the public.
lauren southern
Okay, so here's another, this is a whole long conspiracy world that I'm gonna get into.
There's an editor on my page, it seems like Gray something, and he all day every day is sitting there editing like Michael Malice's page, Jack Pasovic's page, Cernovich, all of these big right-wing figures.
I swear he's being paid by some sort of organization to do this.
Like, I genuinely believe there are people being paid to edit Wikipedia articles.
ian crossland
I would be shocked if there weren't.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
I know them.
unidentified
You do?
lauren southern
Okay, so I'm not crazy because I was like, this guy, how is he sitting all day on Wikipedia just fighting in the comments section?
tim pool
They're called reputation management firms.
unidentified
Yes!
ian crossland
Yeah, I tried to change Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia after the emails dropped and talked about Sidney Blumenthal and Osprey Global Solutions and within like 30 seconds it was removed.
Within like six seconds it was removed.
lauren southern
And they're just sitting there monitoring it because they're getting paid to do this.
And you're right, they've done reputation firms where they'll create fake articles and put the astroturf them on Google.
tim pool
I actually know people who do this.
I've actually had events put on.
So I did an event a while back with a buddy of mine and one of the sponsors of the event was a reputation management firm.
Here's how it was explained to me.
They were like, you ever have the media lie about you?
Okay, well, here's what we'll do.
We will get placement in several medium-tier blogs of stories, and then we know how to work SEO to make sure they appear on the top of Google and then make them more prominent.
Then we'll go in and we'll have our employees argue on Wikipedia against the inclusion of defamatory content.
Now, of course, These guys didn't say to me, like, we're gonna lie and cheat and smear people to ruin their lives.
They said the opposite.
They were like, the media writes fake stories, we protect you from that.
That's how they frame it.
Now, it may be the people I know actually are, you know, doing the right thing.
But there are people who do the wrong thing.
lauren southern
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say is what's scary is that obviously can be used in the reverse.
The media are writing accurate articles about you and you're having... the wealthy can pay... I did a video on this called Sainthood for Sale.
You can literally pay for your reputation and if you can't afford your reputation... if you're a 19 year old kid or even a high schooler that just gets slandered in a local paper as a racist and you don't have anything else online about you and that's the first thing that comes up, Your job options are limited in the future.
You're screwed over and you're not gonna have money for a lawyer.
You're not even gonna know the first thing what to do.
Whereas if you're extremely wealthy, you can buy sainthood.
tim pool
I think actually there's something interesting here with your Wikipedia.
There's a question over, I think the question of whether you can sue them has to do with whether
or not they're making opinion statements. But I think if Wikipedia actually says something
happened to you that isn't true, I think it's clear cut lawsuit for Wikipedia.
So they have the biography.
lauren southern
Don't you have to prove malice in America?
tim pool
Yes, you have to prove that. So actual malice is not like hatred.
It means that either they knew it was false or they were reckless as to the publication of the information.
lauren southern
Reckless, I'd say that.
tim pool
Well, so there's an interesting thing here that Wikipedia might win the suit on the question of malice and be like, We didn't know this person was doing this.
We'll ban them instantly, you know?
And then that's all that can ever really be done.
I don't know for sure.
I think it needs to be answered.
lauren southern
I also really want to clarify for the public because people say this all the time.
They're like, oh, well, if it's untrue, just sue them.
Any lawyer you go to about defamation, they'll initially say to you, all right, $100,000 down payment.
And there's like a 5% chance we'll win.
That's right.
And then you have to pay all throughout the years for that.
Do you think people... Oh, just sue them.
No, the media can get away with so much fake nonsense.
tim pool
Real quick though, Lauren, I'm pretty sure if you started a GiveSendGo to just hire lawyers and do these suits, I'm pretty sure you'd make easily as much.
ian crossland
This is what terrifies me.
And you should do that.
We'll go into this in a second.
But that's why Justin Trudeau calling up the emergency acts and slamming down on the crowdfunding is like...
I was always like, well, at least you can crowdfund it.
If we want to buy private property and turn it into a public park, at least we can crowdfund it.
tim pool
Which is why money doesn't always buy you influence.
But if you have influence, you can often get money.
I don't know your financial background.
I don't think you're a millionaire or a billionaire, Laura.
I don't know.
lauren southern
Totally.
unidentified
Here's my point, though.
tim pool
People know you well enough, they like you enough, that if you said, this is defamatory, slanderous, not only is it to, I mean, damages might be a challenge in a lawsuit.
What damages have you incurred due to them calling you a white nationalist?
There could maybe be an argument for, you know, familial, emotional, I don't know, I'm not a lawyer.
So that could be tough.
But my point is, if you said, hey, I'm going to sue Wikipedia and I need help, people will help you.
And, you know, that's influence.
lauren southern
Yeah, it's from I've spoken to lawyers and, you know, even pro bono lawyers that I've spoken to, they're just like, it's so hard.
Like, very, very few people are successful.
The only successes, like I said, have been on Google.
I haven't found a single successful Wikipedia lawsuit.
Maybe there's like one, but he like bankrolled absolute crap.
tim pool
Gotta try.
ian crossland
I would imagine it's hard, like not only is it expensive, but it takes a long time.
They just want to make your life.
lauren southern
They will torment you to make sure you don't set a precedent.
Torment you.
ian crossland
Just keep you in the legal system for a decade if they can.
I've never sued partly because I don't like involving the legal system unless it's absolutely the last choice.
tim pool
Get the wide shot ready.
ian crossland
We're going to wide shot ladies and gentlemen.
Are you prepared for this?
tim pool
We're just getting ready for now.
Because we're going to see what's going to happen.
ian crossland
So thank you.
I don't remember.
lauren southern
What was I talking about?
tim pool
What's the wide shot?
I have no idea what's happening.
I'm sure everybody already knows in the audience.
lauren southern
Oh no.
tim pool
So I don't know.
We're getting the cameras ready.
lauren southern
It's not a joke.
Oh god, I'm scared.
tim pool
I'm about to be sacrificed.
So it's confirmed?
Should we talk about it then?
unidentified
Yeah, we can talk about it.
tim pool
But you were told they're coming up?
lydia smith
I was told.
tim pool
We were swatted again?
lydia smith
Yeah, again.
lauren southern
Are you serious?
unidentified
Maybe we can talk to him on camera?
tim pool
No, he's gonna pull the white camera up.
Anybody who wants to walk in here is gonna be on live!
ian crossland
Do you think they would be interested?
Well, I guess ask him when he comes in.
He's busy, he's on duty, so maybe not.
lauren southern
Are you serious?
You're gonna get swatted again?
tim pool
Yeah, third time.
lydia smith
Third time's the charm!
I guess.
ian crossland
They know that that's been happening, so they're ready for it now.
tim pool
But I don't understand why they're coming up and coming in.
They do a basic check now because they know us.
And it was like, it was big news in there.
You can't get it?
lydia smith
No.
ian crossland
Give me the why.
lauren southern
So they're gonna actually come in here?
I didn't... I've watched this on Twitter.
I can't believe I'm living it.
seamus coughlin
They're saying they're actually gonna come into this room.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's correct.
Yeah, so they'll be visiting us again.
ian crossland
So I will say this.
I used to have a mall sword behind me.
tim pool
It's a mall sword.
unidentified
I went to a game store and it's like some anime sword.
We have a- so I will say this.
tim pool
I used to have a mall sword behind me.
It's a mall sword.
I went to a game store and it's like some anime sword.
I don't know what it is.
I bought it.
And then everyone's like, what a dumb anime sword.
Like what a dumb mall sword.
And so I actually ordered a Wakazashi.
It is people are like, you've got it upside down.
You're doing it wrong.
It's it's it's dull.
It's not it's an or it's ornamental.
lauren southern
It's beautiful.
tim pool
Calm down.
No matter what I do.
People are like, your swords are bad.
lydia smith
Welcome to the internet.
tim pool
I love that sword.
Are they coming up?
lydia smith
That's what I heard.
ian crossland
Anticipation might happen during the super chats.
tim pool
Well, I guess we're just chilling.
It's a wild night, man.
2020 is crazy, you know?
So the first time we got swatted, it was right after Marjorie Taylor Greene.
And that was probably the worst one because it was the first.
So the cops, like, we had a ton of cops here.
It was crazy.
And, uh, they came up, the door opened, there was a cop there, and he's, like, fanning for me to come.
I'm like, we, like, we're live in the middle of a show, like, I'm not getting up.
And these cops are peeking in.
I didn't, and he, the cop walks in, looks around, and I'm like, what is going on?
Luke was here, and he just keeps talking, like, then he watches the cop leave.
So then, once I figured out what had happened, and I got the message saying, like, we were swatted, I was like, okay, then I got up and ran out and said, what happened?
They told us.
That was the day after Marjorie Taylor Greene was here.
She was here on January 5th.
And so what I think happened was the show goes live at 8 p.m.
on January 5th.
It wraps up on YouTube at 10 p.m.
on January 5th.
That means most people won't get the notification for it until January 6th of all days to have Marjorie Taylor Greene.
So then somebody swats us.
The next time it happened, I think it was the day after we had Andy Ngo and James O'Keefe.
lauren southern
Did you ever find who was doing it?
unidentified
I top of men are on it.
lauren southern
I'm top.
All right.
ian crossland
And this is the thing.
Swatting is not a joke.
Swatting is a terrorist activity.
You're, you're, you're putting cops in harm and potential harms way.
You're putting people in potential animals in harm's way.
People can get killed.
lauren southern
It's not a, Oh, dude, I literally just had like a nervous, like,
ian crossland
yeah, but my gun's on fire.
lauren southern
I'm like, what if a cop walked in and I was literally holding that sword?
unidentified
Yeah, I was actually like, we're gonna process that.
ian crossland
This person is a terrorist.
Whoever made that phone call is a terrorist, is a domestic terrorist.
And they might not be American, but they're a terrorist.
tim pool
I didn't, I didn't, you know, so I didn't want to bring it up that it happened, you know, so like Lydia's, like, messaging me and I'm just like, I'm just gonna... I was wondering what you two were on about.
lauren southern
Yeah, I've never done that before.
Text, text, text.
ian crossland
No, it's good.
tim pool
Then when we heard that they were coming up, I'm like, okay, well, we better... You have to say something.
Now we better say it, otherwise, you know, it's gonna abruptly happen.
So I'm trying to verify exactly what's going on.
I'm messaging people.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm curious what happens.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
ian crossland
I think the second time they came by, they didn't come up here.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
They just talked to people downstairs and then left.
tim pool
Yeah, they did like a suite, but...
They know what this is.
And I'll tell you what really bothered me about the first time it happened was when they came here, they said it was exigent circumstances.
They have a right to enter the property.
But they also said on the radio, we think this is a swatting because it's a political podcast, which means they outright lost exigent circumstances right away by thinking that.
They have to believe that there is something happening.
They can violate our Fourth Amendment rights.
I'm not a fan of that.
Like, I can respect them coming and rushing into danger and all that stuff and being like, but if they genuinely think it's a swatting, like, why are you here, dude?
lydia smith
Yeah.
lauren southern
Yeah.
tim pool
But I'll say this.
It's, I guess it's good that they keep coming.
lauren southern
Yeah.
Well, can't they just like check the stream and be like, oh, okay.
ian crossland
They probably do.
But there's so many employees in the house that it's, yeah, just to be safe.
tim pool
I have no idea.
That's why I'm like, I can't believe they're actually going to come up.
Right?
lydia smith
I'm glad they do.
I'd rather they check on us.
lauren southern
This is all like a hostage situation and we've got signs telling us to act normal.
No, cop, I'm joking.
unidentified
Although that's what the sign says.
ian crossland
On good terms, you can be with a cop is in a moment when you're being swatted.
They're so much on your side at that point because they think something bad is happening to you.
It's important to keep in mind if something like that happens.
lauren southern
This is a first for me.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, me too.
My first swatting as well.
ian crossland
What'd you guys think?
seamus coughlin
Well, it was interesting.
It's not over yet.
ian crossland
I want to make light of it, but it's such a horrible, just a dangerous, devilish, terrible thing to do to a human.
But we're at war, you know, or maybe we're not.
We haven't been at war since World War II, but the world is in some sort of psychological conflict.
So I understand why.
I'm just telling you that it is very bad, very dangerous, and don't do it again.
tim pool
Well, thanks for coming, Lauren.
lauren southern
It's been fun.
Yeah, thanks for almost getting me killed, guys.
I'm not in on the joke.
Oh, Lauren's holding a sword.
unidentified
Sorry, Lauren.
ian crossland
Nice play.
tim pool
It wasn't a joke.
Maybe that's why, you know, we'll get a little red light.
It says, like, swatting on it.
ian crossland
To be honest, if he walked in and you had the sword, he'd probably be like, nice sword and look around to make sure no one's getting hurt and then walk out.
tim pool
So I don't think they're coming in.
lauren southern
Okay.
tim pool
I think they're being told not to.
And they're like, okay.
lydia smith
Okay, so they're actually listening.
lauren southern
They can come say hi, hang out a little bit.
tim pool
They want to be on the show so he can be like, confirmed.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
Pop in, that'd be fun.
tim pool
So you know, we'll get to Super Chats.
Smash the like button if you like the show.
We'll do Super Chats in a second.
So they're meeting with them outside.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Andy's talking to them.
ian crossland
Same people.
Same guys.
tim pool
Probably.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, there we go.
ian crossland
Putin did it, someone said in chat.
lydia smith
Putin did it.
ian crossland
I think it wasn't true.
tim pool
Like Putin is sitting watching the show and he's like, I just can't take it anymore.
ian crossland
I got to get these guys.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
So I think we're good.
I think we're good.
That's why I was like, I didn't want to say anything because if they don't come up, I'm like, we're just not going to bring it up if it happens.
lydia smith
But I was told they would be coming up, I guess.
Maybe they were dissuaded.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
All right, then.
Well, if the door opens and cops walk in, then we'll... We will have a good picture.
But, uh, we'll, uh, we'll do, uh, super chats, then.
So we'll take your audience questions, smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, go over to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're gonna have that members-only segment coming up for you around 11 or so PM.
Let's see what we got here.
Alright, let's see.
Let's find a good super chat.
Rob Matt says, if nukes were dropped, will you continue doing the show?
How can we listen if the internet goes out?
Some type of radio broadcast maybe?
We'll need a voice if that happens.
You know, I've been- who's the guy from Fallout 3?
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like the radio host?
tim pool
Yeah, the radio guy.
ian crossland
I don't remember he's cool, though.
tim pool
Yeah, the radio host from Fallout 3.
You play Fallout 3, right?
lauren southern
I think I stopped at 2.
tim pool
What's up?
ian crossland
2 is good.
tim pool
Really?
lauren southern
I stopped having time for video games.
tim pool
Someone super chat the name.
I'm waiting for someone to chat the name of the radio host from Fallout 3 dog.
I thought it was 3 dog.
I thought it was Three Dog, but I've been playing Three Dog Night too much.
I was like, am I just thinking of the band?
Three Dog!
Post-apocalyptia!
That's what we're going to be doing.
We're going to get like a ham radio.
ian crossland
We should probably get a ham radio.
Not because Newf Clearwater just for fun, but we should do it.
tim pool
All right.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, shim cast with the best wooden sun.
seamus coughlin
Thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
tim pool
All right, here we go.
What is, let's grab a good super chat.
You've got to go through them.
ThreeDog, everyone's saying ThreeDog.
That's right, it is ThreeDog.
James Rogers says, respectfully, I don't believe Russia having nukes on high alert is that big of a deal.
Countries in wartime scenarios often do that as a deterrence.
And if Putin believes Ukraine is his, I doubt he'd nuke his own country.
I don't think he's going to nuke Ukraine.
I think he's going to nuke someone else.
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren southern
You know, I normally wouldn't think it's a big deal either, but, you know, I didn't think that there were actually going to be boots on the ground in Ukraine.
So now I'm like, I don't trust anything, I think.
tim pool
Like two days before it happened, we had, you know, we had Steve Rene on and he's, you know, he spent time in Belarus.
He's an intelligence guy and he was Army, right?
Special Forces, I think?
And he was just like, you know, they might go into the east.
And I said, do you think they'll go as far west as Kharkiv?
And he's like, no.
And I was like, they're saying that they're going to march, they're going to come north from Belarus into Kiev.
I'm like, that's insane.
He's like, yeah, that won't happen.
I'm like, I agree.
And then it happened.
lauren southern
And lots of people in, like, I had friends that were in Ukraine, like on the ground there.
And they're like, no, no one here thinks there's going to be an invasion.
unidentified
Right, right.
tim pool
The whole narrative was like Ukrainians were living their lives saying, Like, wasn't Zelensky like, there's no war?
lauren southern
Telling the mainstream media in America to calm down, like, chill, cool it.
So clearly, you know, U.S.
intelligence had some good sources, just... There was so much, there were, like, The Sun published there's going to be an invasion at 3 a.m.
the week before it happened.
And that's what really brought my doubts in because there's been so, it's like the boy who cried wolf and you can see articles for the last 10 years, invasion, invasion, invasion.
But the problem with the story, the boy who cried wolf, is there actually was a wolf eventually.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
And it eats him.
Yep.
lauren southern
Yeah.
But no one believed at that point.
So it is a huge problem with the media that we can't believe anything they tell us.
tim pool
Or you just find media sources that are better, like Alex Jones.
lauren southern
Clearly, he's got some good intel too.
tim pool
If you listen to Alex Jones, he said in February, war was coming.
So I want you to imagine this.
Somebody's sitting there, listening to Alex Jones back in October, and Alex is like, listen people, you know, there's gonna be a big war in February, like World War I, World War II, that kind of stuff.
And the guy goes, I'm gonna buy a bunch of Bitcoin.
I'm gonna buy some emergency food.
And now with like inflation and prices going up, all this is going down, and he's like, I'm good.
Don't gotta run to the store, don't gotta wait in line.
Imagine if a Russian person, you see all the lines at the ATMs because of the ruble getting hit?
Imagine someone in Russia was like, Alex Jones, good guys, funny show.
I'm gonna get out cash because of war, you know?
And now they're fine.
I just gotta say, look, the media can rag on Alex all day and night, and he said some crazy stuff, like on Joe Rogan's show about cell towers and human-animal hybrids and other weird stuff.
lauren southern
It scares me how right he's been.
It's complex enough.
I don't need that.
tim pool
My favorite meme was like, it's like, I used to think Alex Jones was a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Now if he comes out and tells me werewolves are invading, I'm gonna go buy silver.
lauren southern
Yeah!
unidentified
Buy silver anyway.
tim pool
But it's like, you know, to be fair, you throw a bucket of spaghetti at the wall, some of
it sticks.
You know what I mean?
But um, uh...
ian crossland
But when it sticks in really interesting patterns, you're like, whoa, is this magic spaghetti?
tim pool
Or maybe someone planted glue.
No, but uh, you know, I reached out to Alex and, you know, basically what he said was
watch the episode he did because people are wondering how he knew.
He explains it all in great detail.
The clip everyone's posting is just a short clip where he's like, war in February, but he actually breaks down what he thinks is going to happen.
And he's like, I think he said it wasn't an exact prediction.
You know, if you get the full context, you'll see that it's just like a half prediction that he got.
You know what I mean? But we made the jar downstairs that says Alex Jones was right jar.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think we should have like a little jar up like on a shelf.
And then whenever we like we'll have someone who discovers what Alex says and if he's right,
we'll be like, all right, five bucks in the jar and we'll get up and we'll put it in.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
It's you know, I suppose the funny thing is though, it's because like the media says he's
wrong and he's crazy so often that when he's right, you're like, it's an F you to the media
that he got something right.
All right, Elizabeth Carmela says, Shamus, boy, have I missed you.
In my opinion, you bring out the best in Tim.
Some of that back and forth between you two is the best.
seamus coughlin
I agree.
He's miserable without me.
tim pool
I think the best back and forth is when I voice Dr. Fauci on Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin
Look, it's not bad.
And you know, we have some Fauci Freedom Tunes stuff that's going to be coming out.
Donor exclusives.
tim pool
Seamus won't give me any other roles.
He gave me like the voice of Cop once.
unidentified
You do a good Alex Jones.
seamus coughlin
Look at that!
But it's not as good as mine.
Not that I'm gonna do it right now or anything.
unidentified
Wait, I thought you were.
seamus coughlin
No, of course not.
ian crossland
You're going full Alex Jones.
seamus coughlin
No, not right now, not this second.
ian crossland
You're an animal.
seamus coughlin
No!
Ian, I won't let you peer pressure me into this.
tim pool
So, the joke we have for the vlog is that we're gonna have it be that TimCast is completely funded based off voiceover royalties from Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin
That's actually true, though.
It's true, yeah.
Short form cartoons make a lot of money.
tim pool
Seamus has never paid me a single penny.
For all of the hard work I have done.
seamus coughlin
Why would you say that?
unidentified
It's not true.
tim pool
He's like, you're exploiting my labor.
seamus coughlin
That's actually true.
I'm living off of the surplus value of Tim's labor.
He needs to rise up.
ian crossland
That's an example of capital without money.
tim pool
There you go.
ian crossland
Booyah!
tim pool
Alright.
Storm says, What stories are we missing out due to this conflict?
I'm not saying a conflict was started to cover it up, just stuff can't, but, to cover up stuff, but you can't let a good crisis go to waste.
Can't wait to watch a bit later.
That's a good question.
The Trucker Convoy's happening.
They're, I think, passing through Missouri.
Joplin, I think they just passed through.
lauren southern
They get here on the 5th, or in D.C., rather.
tim pool
Is it the 5th?
lauren southern
That's what I read on the internet.
tim pool
They're going to be in Hagerstown for a bit.
lauren southern
Must not be true.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
lydia smith
Oh, interesting.
ian crossland
Let's question it.
tim pool
Yeah, there's already military trucks parked out in D.C.
lauren southern
Yeah, they're worried about this.
Oh, I was at the Capitol today, and they had built up all of these fences and barriers because everyone wanted to go in and hug Joe Biden so badly.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
lauren southern
You know, most popular president ever.
tim pool
Well, look, I certainly understand what Joe must be going through.
Everyone always trying to hug me.
Joe, man, it's kind of crazy.
It's the nation's capital.
It's like the people should be allowed to go.
They used to.
You could walk into the congressional building and walk around.
There's old photos from back in the day where you could walk on the lawn of the White House.
ian crossland
I'm starting to think like maybe we don't need a Capitol.
That we can all work online and then if we want to go to and get together for Congress, it can just be any city at any time.
They can pick a different city at any time.
tim pool
Yeah, but bro, then someone will deepfake a congressperson.
ian crossland
In person, it helps to be in person.
tim pool
Yeah, because you talk about remote voting and stuff like that, and it's like they could use Zoom.
I've seen that Tom Cruise video where the guy, they do the digital editing so he looks like Tom Cruise.
I saw that audio where they AI programmed Joe Rogan's voice.
lydia smith
And Jordan Peterson.
tim pool
And Jordan Peterson.
And then the scary thing is like, what if Jordan Peterson promised to do an online seminar that was audio only and it was just Seamus the whole time?
seamus coughlin
It's like, well, actually, I wouldn't even need an AI to do that.
I would just go like this.
What if, what did the AI have Jordan Peterson say?
You know what would be really scary?
What if Jordan Peterson actually said all those things and they just told us it was an AI?
tim pool
What would be funny if, like, an AI was being fed a script of Jordan Peterson and it becomes sentient because of Peterson's, like, speeches.
seamus coughlin
It's like, oh, I made my room!
No, here's what I think is happening.
Dive with me down this conspiracy theory rabbit hole that I'm formulating right now So all of the celebrities and public figures in the world have gotten together to convince us that deep fakes exist So that when they get caught on video doing bad things they could go.
unidentified
Oh, that's just a deep fake true True.
ian crossland
Controlled opposition.
seamus coughlin
Look at that.
tim pool
What if Seamus was Jordan Peterson the whole time?
seamus coughlin
I have been.
ian crossland
Why won't he come on the show?
It's because he's been here the whole time.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
Has anyone ever seen Seamus and Jordan Peterson in the same room?
unidentified
Yes.
lydia smith
Yeah, in video.
seamus coughlin
That was scripted.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
I feel like when he gets older he'll look like- I'll look a little Jordan Petersan.
ian crossland
Yeah, similar frames.
unidentified
Look at that.
They have the same structure.
seamus coughlin
It's because we have an archetypal hero structure.
unidentified
It's just how we look.
seamus coughlin
It's a matter of fact.
unidentified
Very high quality, high status men who reach the top of the dominance hierarchy tend to appear similarly.
Correct.
tim pool
All right, Ivy says, Tim, I am a .com member, sub, and I've superchatted numerous times, and you have yet to read my superchat.
We've got you now, buddy.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Would you please invite Tor Maras on the show?
Toray Maras?
How do you pronounce it?
Even better if Posobic was on with her.
We will look into T-O-R-A-M-A-R-A-S.
Do you know who that is?
lydia smith
We'll look this person up.
I do not know who this person is.
tim pool
Edward McClung says, Hey Tim, love your show, but you need to turn your katana edge up.
You're damaging it.
It's a Wakazashi!
I got you!
You think you're going to tell me?
And it's also ornament.
Well, it's actually real.
It's just not sharpened.
I don't, I did not want an actual sharpened blade.
Cause I knew I was going to put it up.
seamus coughlin
I mean, debates get too heated.
lauren southern
Do you consider like where you place your guests?
Like, Oh, I don't want to put this like big lefty guest near the katana.
seamus coughlin
They wouldn't know how to use it.
tim pool
No, all of the scheduled guests sit where you're sitting.
You have a little orange thing.
seamus coughlin
Because he's got a little button, he can press it.
Well, never mind.
lauren southern
Oh, but I did get a sword this time, so you could set me up, but the cops decided not to come out.
tim pool
You grabbed the sword.
seamus coughlin
I started swinging it around.
tim pool
It was crazy.
Maybe you should do that.
seamus coughlin
You're a maniac.
tim pool
Let's grab another thought-provoking Super Chat.
ian crossland
You guys' Super Chats are awesome.
tim pool
Let's see.
Ben says, the United States is currently buying $20 million worth of oil from Russia every day.
I think that's interesting.
seamus coughlin
And now they're getting like five gallons for that.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Ready to Rumble says, Tim has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to Russia.
Probably doesn't even realize that half the Ukrainian army are Nazis.
I watch Vice.
I've known about the Nazi battalion.
lauren southern
Are they the Azov or something?
tim pool
Yeah, or whatever.
It's like, yes!
Does that mean that they should not be allowed to have borders and Russia should be allowed to go in there because they're Nazis?
Is that a left argument?
Is this a leftist who's arguing that if there's a country with Nazis, they should be invaded by another country?
ian crossland
Actually, Putin said that, that he was invading because he wanted to get rid of the neo-Nazis.
lauren southern
The de-Nazification.
We talked about de-Nazification.
ian crossland
That's very woke.
lauren southern
Well, I think their argument also, like they're playing on, um, Russia was diametrically opposed to the Nazis, at least at the end of World War II, right?
So they're kind of bringing that back from a lot of the people who, um, would remember that attitude and that pride.
ian crossland
They're like, punch a Nazi.
They did that punch a Nazi campaign.
Like, don't punch anybody.
What the heck?
Don't just pick a group of people you didn't, that used to be evil and demonize.
seamus coughlin
Well, the issue isn't punch a Nazi so much as it is punch anyone I call a Nazi and I'm going to call everyone a Nazi.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You ever see that song by Chris Ragon?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Punch a Nazi?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But he got scared and he deleted it.
unidentified
Oh, did he?
tim pool
Yeah, he deleted it.
But it still exists because it's a really good song.
lauren southern
There were so many people that made good, funny, anti-woke content that have deleted so much of it.
Like H3H3 and iDubbbz used to make really funny stuff.
tim pool
They got scared.
lauren southern
Yeah, I swear they got scared.
And then H3H3 really went towards like, what is just going to get me popular and keep me online?
In my opinion.
tim pool
I would try and be a bit more... what's the right word?
lauren southern
Charitable?
tim pool
Charitable.
I think it's an issue of they're terrified of losing their jobs.
lauren southern
Yeah, I think that's fair, too.
unidentified
Maybe.
lauren southern
Yeah, maybe I'm just not being fair.
seamus coughlin
You should see what happened to that Freedom Tunes guy, man.
He used to make these jokes so I could not laugh.
He just became a complete middle-of-the-road lefty type.
tim pool
Authoritarian tunes?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
It's Biden tunes now, since he's the president.
And we make pro-Biden cartoons.
tim pool
I think about it this way.
There's a lot of people who say that they're unwilling to speak up because they don't want to lose their jobs, right?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Well, look at people like Chris Ray Gunn or H3H3.
Who was it?
Hunter Avalon.
Oh, yeah.
We had him on the show.
I think he quit.
Didn't he, like, quit recently?
lauren southern
Yeah, it's actually, like, I don't care what someone's ideology is.
He genuinely just seems like he was having a bit of a mental breakdown from the internet attention stuff, which happens to, like, every creator at some point.
So I hope he's doing all right.
tim pool
I think when you lack mental fortitude and you're put in a position of high visibility, you're very prone to having that kind of breakdown.
Because for a lot of people, they can't withstand Someone saying bad things about them, you know, even you know, James O'Keefe talked about this that early on in his career He would see these posts made about in these stories and they were wrong and it would like hurt him and he would be like I don't understand why they're saying these awful things about me and like it's not true and he want people he wants people to know and then eventually got older and he was like it Whatever, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna be true to myself and just do my thing and
I've always been, just me personally, too arrogant, I guess.
So when someone insults me, I'm like, I'm better than you, so screw you, you know what I mean?
So for me, I don't care if I lose my job.
I'm going to say what I want to say.
unidentified
That's very helpful in media.
tim pool
But I think it works, right?
But then you have, the interesting thing was, Chris Ragon produced a lot of, he's not a political guy.
lauren southern
Would he come on the show if you asked him?
tim pool
No, I really don't.
unidentified
Really?
lydia smith
He has really bad stage fright.
lauren southern
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Oh, I don't know about that, but I doubt he would.
Because I feel like there was a period where, like, I've known him, I've hung out with him.
He was, like, anti-SJW because they're authoritarians.
But him getting rid of the Punch a Nazi video was really interesting because a leftist made an argument that it helped Nazis or something.
And so he was like, oh, okay, so we unlisted it.
lauren southern
It was so well done too.
He's got talent.
tim pool
It was really on point.
It was like making fun of the idea that everyone's a Nazi and this guy is insane and in a cult.
But I think what happens is, Hunter Avalon is a good example.
He was a dude who produced a bunch of anti-SJW content on YouTube.
And then one day he's like, hey, I'm a liberal now.
And I think what really happened is he saw what was happening to all these different
YouTubers who are getting banned. And it's like, look, if you've got hundreds of thousands of subs,
and you're making six figures, and you don't know what career you would do after this.
Not, not only that, if let's say like, I can't I can't use myself in this in this in this analogy.
But for a lot of these people who they only have one channel, and they're they're like,
they found their their their voice or whatever, if they got banned, and were known as a Nazi,
they'd freak out because you'll never get a job anywhere.
You'll apply at McDonald's and they'll be like, I don't know man, I looked you up on the internet, maybe you shouldn't work here.
And so they freak out and they're like, just tell me what to say.
Me, I'm like, I'll go live buck naked in the woods, screw you.
lauren southern
So we're gonna, I'm gonna say, I know people who work at anti-extremist organizations that are completely right-wing privately.
Wow.
tim pool
And they- You said coward rump.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
lauren southern
But it's like, they're in that position where it's like, I'll never get a job, I'll never be able to feed my family.
And of course it's, when I say anti-extremist I don't actually, I mean people have confused anti-extremism with just converting someone to the left.
unidentified
Yep.
lauren southern
Like you're an extremist if you're a conservative so to not be an extremist you have to be left-wing even if I'm a left-winger advocating for bombing pipelines or something that's not an extremist then, right?
So I've kind of referred to like these anti-extremist orgs as just Nazi job recruiting offices because no one does a political 180.
No one—it doesn't happen.
tim pool
It makes no sense.
lauren southern
No.
tim pool
It's the most—but look, even for people on the right, I mean, like, Dave Rubin made a very dramatic switch, and a lot of people were very critical of it, and he got I don't know how to describe it.
Controversy when he went on Joe Rogan, and he was talking about building codes and stuff, and people were like, you know, even Joe was like, what are you talking about with building codes?
Like, what is your position on this?
And that's what even Dave's been heavily criticized for.
His, you know, hard switch.
Candace Owens has been criticized for this.
They said that she was, like, doxing people.
I don't know a lot about the history.
Like, I don't know what Dave was doing before.
I don't know what Candace was doing before.
And honestly, I think there's something to be said for somebody who goes from being in the popular establishment side to the dangerous risk of getting banned side.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
Okay, you just shake yourself out of the military-industrial complex quell that it's put you under.
We're under the spell.
We're born into it, told it's normal to be at war.
Like, shake out of it.
It doesn't mean you have to go politically haywire.
Just become self-aware.
lauren southern
Are you just like hilarious saying that surrounded by your abacus and all these horns?
ian crossland
That's why I have all this stuff, man.
lauren southern
You're like, we gotta break the spell, man.
ian crossland
It's a joke.
tim pool
Let's read some more Super Chits.
We have Make 1984 Fiction again.
And before I read the Super Chit, I'm going to mention we have a t-shirt at TimCast.com store.
And it says join the city urban liberal types.
And the first letter of each of those words is red.
So it says join the cult.
fiction again says city urban neoliberal types.
unidentified
Uh, I like it. I really like it.
tim pool
I'm not going to say that one, but you get the point.
ian crossland
Yeah, neoliberal is one word.
tim pool
Yeah, neoliberal is one word.
There you go.
All right, let's see.
What is this?
JGJ says, thoughts on Marjorie Taylor Greene's association with a Young Idiots conference.
Saw the Eric Erickson clip that was posted.
I don't know what that's a reference to.
Are you referring to the America First conference?
If you are, because I don't know if you mean Young Idiot by that, but Marjorie Taylor Greene spoke at Nick Fontes' thing, and the media was like, why are you speaking at a white nationalist conference?
And she was like, I was speaking to people at a conference to tell them about ideas I believed in or something like that.
And I'm just like, These journalists, it's really funny to hear them yelling that because they have no idea what they're talking about.
It's like, I don't know or care.
Look, she said, I disavow white nationalism.
I was speaking to people who cared about America.
But the journalists are all like, but it's a white nationals conference.
And it's like, okay, I guess if you say so.
What is that?
You're not even asking me a question.
You're just saying the thing over and over again.
Sure, white nationalism is stupid.
I get it.
Marjorie Taylor Greene has opinions.
Question her opinions and ask her something about it.
ian crossland
What is white nationalism?
I mean, I ask this from time to time because definitions change from time to time.
So what is it today?
lauren southern
Well, Wikipedia has dubbed me the expert.
ian crossland
I'm glad you're here.
Maybe you can help me.
It's simple.
lauren southern
I think it means you have borders.
That's what I've come down to.
unidentified
You have borders?
tim pool
The actual white nationalism is people who believe that there should be a country just for white people.
ian crossland
So it's like racial supremacist.
lauren southern
But that's like the real definition.
tim pool
Right, the real definition.
Of course.
So when they come out and they're accusing you...
What they're trying to claim is that you're a white person who thinks there should be a country
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
just for white people or if you're a white nationalist in America you think America
should just be for white people or whatever. The problem is there was a, I told the story before,
there was a guy from the Boston Globe who wrote that the based stick man, you remember him right?
lauren southern
Yeah. That's some deep lore.
Right.
Way back in those days.
tim pool
They said he was a white nationalist, and I said he wasn't.
He was in a relationship with an Asian woman, had a mixed-race kid.
And the guy goes, well, he's white, right?
And I was like, well, he's a white guy, yeah?
He's a nationalist, right?
Yes, he's a white nationalist.
lauren southern
There you go, yeah.
tim pool
That is the dirty game they play.
See, now you can't sue him.
Describe the color of someone's skin and then say that they're, you know, Ian, you believe in freedom?
I do.
You're a white freedomist.
ian crossland
Oh, wait.
Well, let's slow this down a little bit.
I paid, first of all.
No human is white or black.
lauren southern
My favorite one is in Canada.
There's this story about all these mass graves that were discovered.
unidentified
Oh my goodness.
lauren southern
Yeah, so there's no actual mass graves discovered by the UN standard mass grave.
You know, it's multiple bodies buried in one area after some sort of war crime.
You know, nefarious killings that have happened.
unidentified
They actually found some graveyards.
lauren southern
Some are just made up.
Others are graveyards that have lost the markings because a lot of people use poor Catholics and indigenous communities use wooden crosses and they call these all mass graves.
A genocide committed by Canada.
unidentified
Our prime minister commented on it.
lauren southern
And they gave 27, yeah, Catholic schools.
They have, and near residential schools.
But in some cases, the residential schools were built like 13 years after the graveyard was even there.
seamus coughlin
They were saying that like nuns were executing children, burying them in unmarked graves.
lauren southern
Our mainstream media literally was saying that, they were interviewing people saying the nuns
were throwing babies in the incinerator under the school.
Like this is serious stuff.
And they have $27 million for the investigation, mass graves on every headline.
And if you question any of them about it, a few like New York Times and stuff took away
the word mass graves.
unidentified
They were like, oh, that's wrong.
lauren southern
I questioned someone about it and they're like, well, it's a graveyard, isn't it?
So there's graves there.
And it's large, which means mass.
seamus coughlin
So it's a mass grave.
Like they had a funeral mass before they were buried.
It's actually a mass grave.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
But it is a mass grave.
That just doesn't mean that they were executed.
seamus coughlin
Well, but when people use the term mass grave, they're referring specifically to a giant hole that is dug to throw a bunch of bodies in there so you can hide the evidence that you murdered them.
lauren southern
Because a graveyard is not a mass grave, right?
unidentified
Right.
lauren southern
This was a graveyard.
seamus coughlin
Or it wasn't a mass grave.
But you get what I mean, putting people in unmarked graves.
lauren southern
There were no pits.
tim pool
Well, like, it's not about hiding evidence.
It's like literally just dumping bodies and desecrating.
lydia smith
Carelessly, yeah.
unidentified
Alright, here we go.
tim pool
Roman says, when a coworker proudly tells me they're a communist and then shames me for voting for Trump, my mind goes blank.
What would you say?
This happens to me all the time in California.
I would say, okay.
Like if I worked at a company and someone walked up to me and said, Tim, and I said, yes, I'm a communist.
I would go, okay.
And they would say, you voted for Trump.
And I'm like, yes, that's stupid.
I'd be like, okay.
I don't know what I, I don't know what I wouldn't say.
I'd be like, I don't know.
ian crossland
There's no conversation!
I'm a communist.
The first thing I would say is, what's it like to be a communist?
tim pool
That's a good one, actually.
That's a great response.
Because I don't think they could give you any real experience as to what it means to be a communist.
ian crossland
Also, if someone ever asks you, if you're in a conversation and someone's like, you don't know about fill in the blank, say, should I?
unidentified
And it puts them on the defensive.
tim pool
Well, should I?
And they'll say, yes, but tell me about it.
ian crossland
Yeah, then it can be legitimate.
seamus coughlin
Educate yourself!
unidentified
Go Google it!
seamus coughlin
It's not my job to do the emotional labor of instructing you.
tim pool
That's what they say.
Alright, here we go.
Hackerman says to Lauren, are you still legally a man?
lauren southern
In Ontario, you know, some people's gender changes with the day or weather, mine's location-based.
tim pool
Really?
lauren southern
So yeah, I actually like, I have the identification that says male.
I had to get legal, I had to get diagnosed by a doctor as a male first and then go to like the Canadian version of DMV to get it officiated.
seamus coughlin
Diagnosed as a male, what a term.
That happened to most of us much earlier in life.
As soon as I was born, got that diagnosis.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got here.
Chris Stoking says, as a Pole, I hope NATO puts troops in Ukraine for defense.
Russia needs the government reform, not Ukraine.
Interesting.
I was wondering what people in Poland think.
lauren southern
It's been amazing.
Poland and Hungary have taken in like mass amounts of refugees and they've done a lot of support for the Ukrainian people.
And they've always been portrayed as like, oh, you guys hate refugees.
You don't support anyone.
They've completely opened their borders for these Ukrainian refugees.
tim pool
It's specifically because they're culturally similar.
lauren southern
Right.
And is that a bad thing?
tim pool
I don't think that's bad.
And they speak basically the same language.
lauren southern
So it has nothing to do with them being anti-refugee or anything.
It's completely about, yeah, just people that are going to be able to assimilate to their culture.
ian crossland
Yeah, taking Canadian refugees is a lot different than taking, like, South... Well, I don't want to point out any particular person, but someone that doesn't identify with the culture, Christianity, things like that.
I understand that now.
tim pool
Jeffrey Faulkner says, Facebook is having trouble tonight.
Possible cyber attack?
It could be.
I mean, to be honest, you wouldn't know.
You would not know.
We were having internet issues, and every so often you'll see major internet outages.
And what y'all need to understand is that if, say, China were to hit the U.S.
internet for five minutes a day, every day for two years, that adds up in economic damage.
And if they're trying to grow their economy faster than ours, Oh, wow.
ian crossland
Traffic siege warfare.
tim pool
That's right.
So look, imagine the Cold War.
The US and Russia are trying to gain territory.
Imagine it was digital and you could stop them in their tracks by, you know, activating code.
Why wouldn't you?
So you don't need to destroy their infrastructure overnight.
You just need to stagger their growth enough so that you can become a lot bigger and then absorb them and shut them down.
lauren southern
So this is an interesting thing I've observed when I speak to military friends of mine.
They tell me how valuable technology that has no computers in it is, like having a car that has no computer in it.
And even just, so like I had a few friends, they drove into a river and the water started coming up and they luckily had rolled down windows instead of electric windows and saved their asses.
In a lot of countries when you have like warfare going on, you want that stuff that's not going to fail.
You want stuff that you can't like, Boom, short circuit the computer, like take it over.
So having older technology can actually be like the way to get around that.
A lot of troops would use like systems to place everyone, but now they're having to go back and learn navigation so that their stuff can't be hacked and tracked where the troops are.
ian crossland
Oh wow.
lauren southern
Yeah, it's fascinating.
tim pool
Yes, you know, radiation's intentional.
called nuke map has an overlay where you can pick a location and select any nuke
dropped or tested to see if the see the fireball radius blast radius radiation
etc yes you know radiations intentional that they make nukes that have no
radiation that's on purpose They want people to suffer.
lydia smith
That's nice.
ian crossland
That's brutal.
unidentified
Nuke map.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
lydia smith
It's not good.
tim pool
If you're in the blast radius, you're probably better off in the blast radius than the radiation radius.
ian crossland
This one's calculating.
I went to radzone.org slash nuke map.
It says nuke downtown Manhattan.
It doesn't go from river to river, the blast zone.
tim pool
Well, which nuke have you chosen?
ian crossland
You chose for me.
tim pool
Yeah, pick Sarbama.
ian crossland
Perhaps I spoke too soon.
It's too complicated for me right now.
tim pool
Oh, see, there you go.
unidentified
Nuke map.
tim pool
Nuke map, eh?
ian crossland
Cool idea.
tim pool
Jeff Depkin says, Churchill and Coventry, due to the Allies cracking the Enigma machine, they knew Coventry would be bombed.
Churchill did nothing to avoid giving away the fact that they had cracked the code.
Man.
David Miller says, don't know Tim, but I remember when he was in NY at that shooting.
seamus coughlin
And that shooting.
tim pool
And that shooting.
When he was in New York and that shooting.
lydia smith
Near your apartment?
tim pool
Was that the one in my apartment?
I was like sitting in my boxers playing Destiny, the video game, the space fantasy one.
ian crossland
I had a dude shot in my apartment in New York too.
tim pool
It wasn't in my apartment.
A helicopter flew like right over my house, my apartment.
I was like, what?
I looked outside and I got a text and they were like, are you near the shooting?
I was like, what?
And then I look, I see cops everywhere and the streetlights are like shut off.
And you know, two cops got executed.
ian crossland
I got home and there was a police tape around my apartment.
They're like, dude, the dude downstairs got shot from a drug deal gone wrong.
And they wouldn't let me inside.
New York City.
tim pool
All right.
Doreen DeLeonardo says, Gary Null is suing Wikipedia.
Reach out to him and join his effort.
Have him on as a guest.
PS, we love your show, Tim.
Hey, appreciate it.
unidentified
Oh, look him up.
Gary.
All right, Gary.
Let's hang out.
tim pool
Seriously, JK says, did you see the Lex Friedman Zuckerberg interview?
It was the creepiest creepy that ever creeped.
lydia smith
So interesting.
tim pool
I heard that he failed the Turing test.
unidentified
Oh, did he?
tim pool
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
ian crossland
It was two AI going crazy together.
I loved it.
I saw about 40 minutes or 30 minutes of it so far, and it seems like Mark, one of the things that he said that was notable, two things.
One thing, he said he's obsessed and wants creative commerce.
It's a big part of the future of the metaverse is creative commerce.
Mark, what you need to know is that child slavery is also a form of creative commerce.
Kids are being rocked on Roblox right now, getting 17% thereabout of the money that Roblox is taking in from the games they make.
That's creative commerce, so you gotta watch out.
Second is, he finally, Mark now understands, he used to think everyone should have one identity on the internet, and now he's looking at people should have masses of anonymous identities as well, which I think is a huge breakthrough for the mindset of the guy that's running Facebook right now.
tim pool
Kosh Naranek says, come on Tim, I want to hear you say Big Chungus.
Well, there you go.
unidentified
What did you just say?
tim pool
We have a really good idea, Seamus.
We have a really good idea.
Oh, yeah?
We want to make a show called Mall Store, a new YouTube channel.
And the idea is, we were at the mall, and there was this crappy arcade that was half broken.
And I was like, we should open a mall store and do weird things with it.
And so the idea is we would rent out a space.
It would be called Mall Store.
unidentified
Dude.
tim pool
But then what we do is like once a week we change the advertisement banner.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness!
tim pool
So we had one idea.
My brother's idea was to put a laundromat in the middle of a mall.
Because then you have to like come with your dirty laundry into a shopping mall and like walk into a mall.
Just like weird things like that.
seamus coughlin
Dude, we should have one and call it Aquarium and just put a bunch of dogs with snorkels inside of tanks of water and just see if anyone's willing to say anything.
You just have a bunch of people in there pretending.
tim pool
But standing, not swimming.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
And have people there, like, pretending that they are acknowledging it's an aquarium.
Like, you hire people to be like, whoa, look at the fish!
And see how many people are willing to say something.
lauren southern
This is a level of rich that I can't comprehend.
tim pool
It's not that expensive to have a, well, it's like, you could rent a mall store for like a hundred bucks or like a thousand bucks a month.
lauren southern
This is like the, they've gone too far.
Science has gone too far.
The mind of man.
Did you hear about that guy who created Hampshire?
Like Rapture from Bioshock, but with hamsters under a lake.
tim pool
Under a lake?
lauren southern
Well, he was trying to put, he started building it in like little tanks and stuff, and his idea was he was gonna build it under a lake.
tim pool
I can certainly understand that Seamus talking about getting a bunch of underwater dogs with snorkels and tanks is very expensive.
seamus coughlin
Snorkels and putting them in tanks?
I was thinking- No, it's not that, you just go to a rescue shelter and borrow some.
tim pool
I was thinking it'd be fun to- Find homes for them, you know?
We could do kind of like social experiments.
One idea- That doesn't sound fun.
One idea I had was to put up a Sunset Free Wallet and it's an empty mall store with lights, cameras in the corners, and there's a wallet sitting on a pedestal right in the middle of the room with like a guy's ID in it and like credit cards and money just to see what people would do.
Something like that.
lauren southern
Yeah, like what's the catch?
seamus coughlin
I think it's brilliant.
No, I think that's a great idea.
Oh my gosh.
So wait, how often would it be a new store there?
tim pool
The idea is we would do a video once a week where we do some kind of social experiment in mall store.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
So every week the name of the store changes.
That's brilliant.
tim pool
Like, one of the ideas we had was a store called Ian's Things.
And it's just, like, Ian's stuff.
And, like, pictures of Ian.
Like, imagine posters in the windows of Ian modeling his own clothes.
ian crossland
Like this shirt.
He was, like, 20 years old.
My dad gave it to me.
seamus coughlin
It's, like, extra large.
And Ian is just at the cash register, like, haggling with people over the prices of things.
He's like, I'll give you, I guess, like, 15 bucks for that.
lauren southern
It's like Craigslist in real life.
tim pool
One of the other ideas was, um...
To take mandates to the absurd degree.
So, like, you gotta get swabbed, you've gotta get tested, you have to wear a full hazmat suit, but we sell things really, really cheap.
So we would do, like, at-cost iPhones.
But you gotta come in in a full hazmat suit.
It's a mandate, we're a private business, we can do what we want, and see how many people are willing to jump through the hoops to get it.
seamus coughlin
Should I have a use-the-mask store?
Like, use COVID masks?
Like, no, I mean, it's for the science.
The science says it works.
They're cheaper.
lauren southern
That would be in Japan.
When I was in Japan, they had used girls' panties.
And, like, you could put, like, vending machines.
Yeah.
And they'd have pictures of the girls that used the panties on it.
ian crossland
Like, anybody?
Like, 14-year-olds?
lauren southern
Man-made horrors beyond our comprehension.
unidentified
Can we talk about this later tonight?
You don't know about Japan, dude?
tim pool
Smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show if you like it.
Go to TimCast.com because we're gonna carry the conversation over to the members-only section where Ian has some very interesting questions, I guess.
We were gonna talk about the refugee processing at the border because some of these countries are just banning black people from coming in.
But what they're really saying is it's for the local population, not for migrants.
So we will talk about that.
It'll be interesting.
Again, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL, basically everywhere.
You can follow me at TimCast.
Lauren, do you have anything to shout out?
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren southern
I mean, check my socials, at Lauren underscore Southern on Twitter, Lauren Southern on YouTube.
unidentified
I'll be announcing my new film, American Mirage, soon.
lauren southern
It'll hopefully be on Odyssey, YouTube, all that good stuff.
And thank you for having me on.
It's been too long.
unidentified
It's been years since we've seen each other.
It's wild.
lauren southern
Well, you're in another... Congratulations on everything you've done.
tim pool
Oh, thank you.
lauren southern
Incredible.
tim pool
You haven't even... You haven't gotten the full tour yet, so... I'm excited.
lauren southern
Dude, you came from carrying that GoPro on the ground everywhere.
Truly, like, made it from the bottom to the top.
tim pool
Well, here we go.
We got a lot more to do.
seamus coughlin
I'm Seamus Coghlan.
I'm here to promote my upcoming show, Mall Store.
We're going to be opening a used grocery store for lightly used and refurbished groceries.
tim pool
That's a good idea!
seamus coughlin
Let's do it!
Now, I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
We upload a new cartoon every single Thursday, sometimes on Tuesdays as well.
I also like to hang out here, do commentary, join the podcast, and help with the vlog.
So I'd highly recommend you guys check out Freedom Tunes.
I think you'll enjoy it, and I hope you all have a lovely rest of your night.
ian crossland
I love you, everyone.
Thanks for coming.
Lauren, great to meet you and see you finally.
lauren southern
It was a pleasure.
ian crossland
And thank you for all the work you've done.
lauren southern
I hope you didn't cast any spells on me.
ian crossland
No, no.
I'll do it on... I'll let you know when I'm doing it, though.
It's more about free energy, and I'm a light Jedi in that way.
They use flame instead of electric current.
See you later.
lydia smith
And I gotta fix my camera.
I don't know if you guys know, but I can't do this unless it's visible to me.
So here's the wide shot.
Can't you just press a preset?
lauren southern
Is that the wide shot?
ian crossland
That's it.
seamus coughlin
That's the wide shot right there.
Looking at us.
Doesn't it feel like an invasion of your privacy?
Yeah, I like when I'm like moving around.
I know.
I know.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, your back.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Does it get your back?
seamus coughlin
Lydia can see everything you're saying about her from that camera.
lauren southern
I was only texting about Lydia the whole time.
lydia smith
Seamus, I was gonna say there, I have actually been to stores where you can buy slightly used groceries that are like maybe expired or like beat up or something.
seamus coughlin
Expired is not used.
Expired is not used.
tim pool
I can tell you some stories about stuff in Chicago, man.
lydia smith
Yeah, same idea, Colorado.
seamus coughlin
I never saw any of that.
lydia smith
Yeah, so I'm sorry to take the wind out of your sails.
I think that sounds like a great show.
Anyway, you guys, thank you so much for tuning in for our third SWATing.
I think we get like a prize once we hit five or something.
unidentified
A free yogurt.
lydia smith
Yeah, like a free yogurt.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Anyway, you guys can follow me on Twitter and Mines.com.
tim pool
We will see all of you at TimCast.com around 11 for that member segment.
You don't want to miss it.
Thanks for hanging out.
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