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tim pool
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tim pool
We have this article from M-E-A-W-W, I guess it's pronounced MIAW or whatever.
I do make fun of them every so often.
But they have this story.
Is Putin targeting U.S.
bioweapon labs in Ukraine?
The truth behind internet theory.
The labs in question are part of a network of facilities linked to the Biological Threat Reduction Program, a U.S.
government-funded effort.
The first thing I will say, we have this image, the first thing is, From UA.USEmbassy.gov.
U.S.
Embassy in Ukraine.
There are biolabs in Ukraine.
Laboratory construction.
You know, biosafety level 2.
The level 2 labs.
Level 4 is the most secure.
Level 2 is not as secure.
And they talk about why they're there and what they do.
So they are real.
A Twitter thread has gone viral after making eyebrow-raising claims the Russian government is taking down American biolabs in Ukraine under the pretext of a special military operation.
The claims surfaced shortly after Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping met recently and issued a joint statement slamming U.S.
bioweapons activities.
So this guy who posted this has been banned from Twitter.
Snopes is saying it's false.
Fuck Snopes, they're probably full of shit.
I'm not saying the story is true, I'm just saying Snopes lies about basically everything.
Holy shit, I think I may be on to something about Ukraine, a Twitter user who goes by the handle at WarClandestine posted.
Zelensky and the Russians are firing at military installations.
How broad is that term?
I am seeing speculation that it could include U.S.
installed biolabs.
At first, I was like, no way.
Then I started digging.
He was going to say, the image has been deleted, but we have this here.
Let me see if I can pull this up.
Maybe find a better one because you can't really see too much here.
U.S.
biolabs in Ukraine.
And people are saying that there are attacks that coincide with these locations.
I'm just gonna say this right away.
These locations, for one, they're all over the country, from east to west, north and south, and they're centered around big cities.
That's not indicative of anything.
ian smith
Yeah, I mean, they do line up with, if you bring up the maps of areas that have been struck, some of them overlap, but Like you said, we don't know anything about these cities in terms of what else is there.
tim pool
So this is U.S.
Biolabs in Ukraine.
I don't know if these are actually where the Biolabs are to begin with.
I know they are there.
The embassy talks about their creation.
But is it at all surprising that Biolabs would be in big cities?
ian crossland
Not really.
That's where the people are, to work.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
What's the difference between purple and red?
Do you have any idea?
tim pool
It doesn't say.
Yeah, just, I don't know.
What does it say?
Oblast Center Capital.
It doesn't say what these dots are.
I think someone took a map and then just put the dots on it.
Yeah.
Snopes says it's not true.
Let's see what Snopes has to say.
In an attempt to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine, propagandists claim the attack was focused on secret U.S.
biolabs.
Okay, that's it.
Nope.
Snopes is full of shit.
Fuck you, Snopes!
You wanna play some fucking bullshit framing game?
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're lying.
In an attempt to justify Russia's invasion?
ian smith
This goes right along with jank right here, right?
Does this not go along with what we were saying earlier where, you know, just because we're looking at potential real information, if it's any way in favor of Russia, if it makes any sense, because it's obvious that The blue check mafia of Twitter has signed on for war with Russia through Ukraine, so anything that's going to even justify, they're going to write it right off.
And again, we're not drawing any conclusions from it, but they automatically frame it as, they might as well say right-wing propaganda because they're talking about propaganda.
tim pool
Look, when you look at these maps, you can see the attacks don't even line up with where they put the biolabs.
So right away, I'm like, yeah, I don't know about that, man.
Give me some fucking evidence.
But Snopes is just such TRASH!
ian crossland
Yeah.
Yeah, it wasn't an attempt to justify the invasion, so is that what's false?
ian smith
No, we're looking for understanding as to why.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
What is Putin's motivation?
ian crossland
And he might not have went in there to destroy the labs.
He might have just destroyed the labs when he was in there because they were there.
ian smith
If you're already there, I mean...
ian crossland
But he's going to get a land bridge.
unidentified
He's going there to conquer the country is why he's going in, I think.
ian smith
I think time will tell what exactly he's doing, but I highly doubt that he's going to throw
in some specialized attacks like that and then back off.
We're going to see him come through this entire country.
ian crossland
On the East Coast, there was that biolab.
It'd be like if the Russians had a biolab in Tijuana.
Could you imagine how incensed the American citizens would be?
tim pool
It's true.
So what Snopes is arguing is not really biolabs.
I'm like, uh, wait, wait.
ian smith
Oh, there's always the caveat.
tim pool
What is this?
It talks about, um, where was the biolab level two?
BTRP has upgraded many laboratories for the Ministry of Health and Food and Safety and Consumer Protection Services in Ukraine, including biosafety level two.
What the fuck?
Constructed two laboratories for the latter, one in Kiev and one in Odessa.
They're fucking there!
lydia smith
They are there.
unidentified
Snopes are such absolute garbage.
tim pool
Here's what they write.
Is COVID-19 a bioweapon?
Fuck you, Snopes.
Here you go.
Which Ian wants to read this headline?
ian crossland
I'll go ahead.
ian smith
I got the last one.
ian crossland
More evidence COVID was tinkered with in a lab.
Now scientists find virus contains tiny chunk of DNA that matches sequence patented by Moderna three years before pandemic began.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
They're saying it's like a 1 in, what is it, 1 in 3 trillion?
They claim there's a 1 in 3 trillion chance Moderna's sequence randomly appeared through natural... Okay, so there's a 299 trillion times... So you're saying there's a chance.
ian crossland
So what's likely is that they inserted a piece of proprietary DNA into this virus.
tim pool
That's what they're saying.
ian crossland
Okay, according to the number, the likelihood that it happened naturally, was it 1 in 3 trillion?
tim pool
Is that it?
1 in 3 trillion chance that it actually happened.
ian smith
And again, I like to conceptualize these numbers because we talk about trillions and billions these days like it's just, you know, like we can wrap our head around them.
1 trillion, right?
Just to conceptualize how big that number is.
If you were to count 1, 2, every second, do you have any idea how long it would take you to get to a trillion?
tim pool
32,000 years.
unidentified
So add it to 96,000 years.
ian smith
32,000 years. It's like 33 or something like that 33. So that is an extremely so so add it to
96,000 years right so one second out of 96,000 years is the likelihood that that was created
unidentified
Okay.
ian smith
So that's a yes.
tim pool
That's a yes that it was created.
So that's a yes.
ian smith
That's a yes that it was created.
ian crossland
Eleven days to count to one million?
tim pool
It'll take you 11 days to count to one million, and it'll take you 31 years, 251 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 40
seconds to count to one billion.
ian smith
And then look at the jump between the billion and the trillion.
It's like these numbers are extremely hard to conceptualize.
So when you read that, and it says 31,709 years, wow, I was close.
unidentified
Yeah, 31,000.
years. 31,709 years. Wow. I was close. Yeah. 31,000. So they're saying that once the likelihood
ian smith
of this being naturally occurring is choosing one second out of 93,000 years. It's not likely.
That's essentially admitting that it was created.
ian crossland
Basically, they're saying they found proprietary DNA from Moderna in this thing.
tim pool
Is this the narrative they're trying to put forward that Vladimir Putin is fighting the World Economic Forum?
ian smith
is coming of that post.
I don't know if that was the author's original intention, but I think that's what it's getting picked up on the internet as is Vladimir Putin is fighting the deep state.
He's fighting the globalists.
You know, he's in there doing specialized strikes on on bio labs.
And I don't know if I subscribe to that, but if I was Vladimir Putin and there was bio labs in Ukraine and I was going into Ukraine anyway, I think I would destroy them rather than take them.
tim pool
Yeah.
Op India's running the same thing.
A bunch of outlets took this Twitter thread and they're just running with it.
I think that's deeply irresponsible.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian smith
It is.
lydia smith
That's not real news.
tim pool
Yeah, like the labs are there.
I think it's interesting.
ian smith
But we don't know what what's created there.
We don't know.
We don't know anything about it.
tim pool
I mean, it was saying it was like food protection and consumer goods and stuff.
So for all we know, it's like they're just bacterial excrement.
Yeah, probably making sure shampoos don't, you know, get in your eyes.
So level two biosafety is not the craziest.
Level four is when they're doing crazy viruses and stuff.
You have four layers to get in to make sure the viruses can't get out, you know.
ian smith
And this is the type of stuff that it undermines the legitimacy of people trying to understand the situation, because whoever puts that out and runs with it on the right makes people who are trying to understand the situation look silly.
And then on the left, they just use that as an excuse to be like, oh, these people are stupid.
They're crazy.
They're Putin.
tim pool
Read that one.
ian crossland
Well, Vladimir Putin's advisor says U.S.
is developing biological weapons near Russia.
lydia smith
Interesting.
ian crossland
And according to the map, that is confirmed.
tim pool
Well, no, we don't.
ian crossland
Was it not a bioweapon lab on the far right side of the map?
tim pool
We don't know what they're doing there.
To say it's confirmed, no, we don't.
ian crossland
Oh, wait, what is this?
Bioweapon?
This is biological weapons.
So they might be making non-weapons.
tim pool
We don't know what they're doing in those biolabs.
But Russia is accusing the U.S.
of basically doing that.
Who do you believe?
I don't know.
ian crossland
I think fucking COVID was built in the lab.
So I tend to believe that the U.S.
is building bioweapons all over Earth right now, as far away from their soil as possible.
ian smith
Well, yeah, they are DOD funded labs, from what I understand.
tim pool
This is interesting.
ian smith
It's an interesting thing to look at, but we don't have even a little bit of information to start making broad assumptions in either direction, I think, on something like this.
tim pool
I got to say, the fact that Twitter banned the account It's indicative of something.
ian smith
An indicator that something else is there and they kind of want that discussion to stop immediately.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Hunter Biden's laptop.
lydia smith
Very interesting.
ian smith
Yeah.
That's the one thing that would sort of concern me is that if it was so stupid, you know, I'm a big believer in the idea that good ideas will prevail over stupid ideas if you let free dialogue happen.
tim pool
Interesting, man.
ian crossland
That's my experience.
tim pool
Russia claims U.S.
is running secret bioweapons lab in Georgia.
ian crossland
For sure they are.
tim pool
That's the AP reporting that.
ian crossland
I don't know for sure, but I am not surprised.
Dude, bioweapons have a future.
tim pool
And it's Peter Daszak.
It's Peter Daszak who's being accused.
ian crossland
If you wanted to invade and conquer the United States, you can't do it with weapons.
You can't do it with conventional weapons, because they're all entrenched.
You've got to do it with disease and bioweaponry.
That's why they're working on this stuff.
That's how you root out an entrenched foe.
That's the worst, most unethical way to do it.
Without annihilating the infrastructure.
You can take an entire city without blowing up a building if you have the right weapon.
tim pool
If you have the right psychological warfare.
Man, this is crazy shit.
Who do you trust?
Is this pro-Russia propaganda?
Is it all bullshit?
Might be.
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Maybe.
tim pool
What if the account who posted this was just a Russian troll?
ian crossland
And they know that I'm thinking because of the Wuhan thing that I'm quick to believe that America's... Somebody on the left could have posted this just to make it absurd.
ian smith
I mean anybody.
That's the problem with squashing the discussion like that is that we'll never know where this information came from or who posted it.
It's just dead in the water and then all that's left is speculation.
Stuff like this should be left open.
So that people can research into it further, not so that it automatically becomes either A, fact-checked or B, you know, a right-wing talking point.
tim pool
I don't think we know.
I don't think we have the truth on anything that's going on right now.
ian crossland
The fog of war is heavy.
tim pool
Why would we?
ian smith
I mean the mainstream media is only showing us Applebee, 5 for 5 deals, so what would we know really about the situation as citizens?
ian crossland
Who owns the trilateral commission?
I don't know much about this.
tim pool
I will say there's a light at the end of the tunnel for people on the right, I suppose, If hot war actually breaks out, escalates beyond Ukraine and we get to like an actual U.S.
involvement, feminism, gone.
lydia smith
I know.
tim pool
Just gone.
Magical.
ian smith
I bet your vaccine mandates will be gone too.
tim pool
Oh yeah, there's a meme where it's like women in World War III and it's a picture of a woman in the 1950s washing the dishes.
That's right.
They will immediately be like, well, you know, we should be in the home as soon as it happens.
unidentified
Poof.
tim pool
Yeah, I think we are fucked though.
Because come on, you know, these diversity department, the US diversity army is not going to be able to handle the fucking Russians.
ian smith
No.
And again, this is alarming stuff when you're talking about the safety of a nation.
I mean, we've dumbed down all of our most powerful deterrents to keep people away.
And we've turned upside down our priorities.
You can bring whatever you want to culture.
You know, if you want to push gender education, you know, women in the workforce, whatever it is that you want to do to the culture, that's fine.
But when you're infiltrating the military with this kind of stuff, it gets a little concerning because the military's only objective is to fight and to fight viciously.
Outside of that.
tim pool
No, now it's about having two moms.
ian smith
Yeah, that's extremely concerning and that should be something that every American's like, wait, wait, wait a
second.
You know, you can bring that, you want to have two moms in the household? Awesome. Cool. You want to teach it to your
kids? Great.
It's your personal choice. But when it comes to the strength of our military, we should not be compromising it
to make people who are a minority of the population feel comfortable with who's in
the homes and what gender is who or what.
tim pool
So trying to make people feel comfortable is not...
Not military doctrine the simple strategy is the military wants to recruit as many of these people as possible to go send them off to the front lines so they die That's terrible.
lydia smith
Don't like that.
I do think, I think we've been intentionally weakening ourselves by putting on front display, I don't know what the Biden administration is thinking, but by putting like a transgeneral in place, by having that weird gay guy going to the press release thing, and then the guy who runs the nuclear waste, yeah, the guy who runs the nuclear waste.
unidentified
Oh, the guy who likes like dressing up as animals and stuff and doing weird like, Why are we letting our enemies see this?
lydia smith
What possible benefit could come from this?
tim pool
It's a trick.
Joe Biden's lulling Russia into a false sense of security.
And then all of a sudden what's going to happen is a whole bunch of 6'5 super whips are going to jump out and unleash the super soldiers.
ian crossland
Never fight a land war in Asia.
unidentified
Putin's going to be like, I thought I thought they were all weak feminists!
tim pool
Biden!
ian crossland
Your strength is superior to mine.
We've got to create some sort of love between these dudes.
They were about to meet, Putin and Biden, like five days ago.
They had a meeting planned and then all of a sudden they canceled it.
I think that was Putin, that Biden did that.
Like, Putin's like, yo, I'm down to talk, man.
I'm gonna take Ukraine, but I'm down to talk.
lydia smith
I don't think so.
ian crossland
You think Putin cancelled it?
lydia smith
I think this is Putin's long game.
I think he didn't do it with Trump because Trump's freaking loose cannon, and he was like, yeah, if I do that, who knows what's gonna happen.
tim pool
Like, with Trump, he would be like, you know, send troops into, like, go right into Russia.
unidentified
Yeah, go ahead.
tim pool
Putin knows Biden will barely take action on Ukraine.
He's gonna walk right in.
to handle the US going in to Russia. Putin knows Biden will barely take action on Ukraine.
Yeah, he's gonna walk right in. What's Biden gonna do about it?
ian smith
And at best it's gonna be late. Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
ian smith
It already is.
Exactly, it already is.
The military is not in a position to act swiftly at this point.
So what do they give?
96 hours to Kiev?
By the time Joe Biden wakes up from his nap, Kiev will fall.
tim pool
Man, Biden.
How did this guy get elected?
I'm flabbergasted.
lydia smith
Unelected.
tim pool
Flabbergasted.
Yeah, that people voted for this guy and now we're watching the shambles.
ian crossland
It was Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, two of our options.
What the fuck has happened to society?
tim pool
Yo, that was when we should have realized the country was fucking on fire.
ian crossland
I didn't, I kind of, but I didn't know any solutions.
Like how the hell do you fix this?
tim pool
Run and hide, man.
ian crossland
First time it's ever happened.
tim pool
Okay.
No, I wouldn't go anywhere.
I don't know.
You know, there's a certain line, I guess, if fighting got so bad that the country was unsalvageable, I'd probably just be like, I'm out, man.
But I don't see that as being a possibility.
I think whatever ends up happening, the United States will have some semblance of the Constitution and its founding.
Principles and I'm here for that man.
I'm not gonna go anywhere.
ian crossland
Maybe we'll be at the bunker But we'll stick around to try and make sure we can keep this even if there was like this country is worth worth fighting for I think even if thermos through more nuclear war even if this surfaces Annihilated the data is gonna be transmitted to the future and people will reform governments with this Constitution and they'll use it as a basis to create new constitutions You would hope so.
ian smith
I mean, it's the best thing that we got.
tim pool
I got an idea for our sci-fi show It's 300 years after an apocalyptic event.
Tribes have reformed and they're all very primitive until one day someone comes across an old solid-state hard drive and dusts it off and blows on it and there's a laptop and they open it and it's an archive of Timcast IRL.
And so the only information they have about the old ways comes from watching this show.
ian crossland
And then what happens is... It's Hunter Biden's laptop, by the way.
unidentified
That's what I thought he was going with.
ian crossland
They didn't want to come out what was on the laptop was all the episodes of IRL.
tim pool
That's actually a better idea.
unidentified
What is Hunter Biden?
tim pool
Hunter Biden!
And then they all start, like, making ornamental crackpipes.
ian crossland
Witness the hunter!
tim pool
They wear ornamental crackpipes.
They put them in their mouths to go to sleep, not knowing what it means.
No, but, like, that's the joke.
My joke was that they were all gonna base their world off of Ian.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Great.
That's not balanced, by the way.
You want to balance it out with other people like Tim and your environment.
tim pool
Yeah, but I think, you know, should the war really expand, this idea of feminism will just get erased.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's for sure.
tim pool
Feminism only exists in the luxury of Western wealth.
lydia smith
All these thoughts.
ian crossland
Liberal economic order will be wiped out, too, because you can't have military bases all over when you really need to defend your homeland.
tim pool
Yo, we're going back to the days of ripped guys with long hair just clubbing women and dragging them into a cave.
ian smith
It's horrible.
unidentified
Horrible.
tim pool
I mean that in the worst way.
People don't realize how brutal things get.
Exactly.
It's going to be roving bands of dudes with guns taking what they want and saying, fuck off.
ian crossland
So how do we prevent that?
ian smith
It's always been that.
unidentified
Yes, that's what it's always been!
ian smith
That's the tale of most of history, is tribes of men shaping the world around them, usually through the use of force.
ian crossland
We were talking about Genghis Khan earlier.
ian smith
Yeah, and there was, you know, and it was a it was a heavily masculine
Energy that was driving society and only when you have stable and safe societies with protected
boundaries and a firm perimeter can this idea of feminine energy really even
Take hold into society.
And it is a good thing to a certain extent, but we've gotten so far out of balance with this energy.
Once you establish a society, there should be the introduction of some very positive feminine energy into it.
Because feminine energy carries the ideas of emotion and nurturing and taking care of things.
And if you're a society that can protect itself, then you need to turn inward and protect your people within the society.
But we've gotten so far from that masculine energy that protects the society, you know, we're talking about the military, that we're now weak because the feminine energy isn't a protecting energy.
Yeah, like you might have like the fierce mama bears and all that, but they're not,
these are not people who are willing to die and to spill blood, you know, to,
to keep people safe.
tim pool
I think willing to die, but not willing to spill blood.
unidentified
Yeah, correct.
tim pool
I think like the mother will huddle over the baby and she'll spill blood.
ian crossland
If you come to her territory, that's right.
ian smith
The man will go out mama bear kind of energy, but the man will actually search
ian crossland
and hunt and kill potential violence.
tim pool
I'm, I'm, I'm playing this a new video game.
Horizon forbidden West.
It's a sequel to Horizon Zero Dawn, an amazing game with an amazing storyline, and I'll give you the simple version, because at this point, if you play the second game, the storyline's already been spoiled.
Post-apocalyptic.
Tribal civilizations, and they like harvest ancient technology and things like that.
And so the main character is this woman named Aloy.
There's no issue if a video game protagonist is a female.
You know, sometimes women are heroes, sometimes men are.
That's no problem.
But I was playing it just before we did the show, and I noticed something really funny.
I went to a rebel camp.
That's what it's called, a rebel camp.
And you got a bow and arrow, you got a spear.
And then all of a sudden I hear these women yelling, you know, intruder, go get her.
And then I'm like, all right, so you got to kill the rebels as you make your way in.
And then I noticed like, they're all women.
It was all women.
There was like two guys.
And the two guys were like thin effeminate men.
It was the weirdest shit.
I'm like, what about a post-apocalyptic tribal reality has a band of rebel women who are going and raiding villages?
Completely unrealistic.
It's already a sci-fi nonsense game.
So it's fine to be unrealistic.
At least half should be men?
You know what I mean?
Like, if it's a bunch of men and women running and fighting you, I'd get it.
But it's like, it was all women.
And like, the bad guy leading them, it's a woman.
The leader of the rebels, some lady.
And I'm just like, look, I fucking get it.
You're feminists.
But like, shouldn't there be some men here?
ian crossland
At least slave dudes.
tim pool
Like, if your problem is that it's all men all the time in these games, don't you think the solution would be to have half men and half women?
Not just women running around.
And I'm mercilessly beating these women as their character.
and I'm just like you have to. And I'm like there's just something weird about these feminists being
like the main character should just brutally beat nothing but women. And I'm like isn't that not?
We deserve our rights too. Isn't that not feminists? Like all the bad guys I'm just
just brutally beating these women and I'm like at a certain point I think there should be a guy in
there you know but I guess they want me to beat the women.
ian crossland
I was kind of fortunate to learn about feminism from my mother who's like 70 now.
So she got first wave feminism and I was like, what does it mean?
Does it mean girls are better than boys?
She went, no, no, nothing like that.
Feminism means that men and women are equal.
We have equal rights.
That's all it means.
ian smith
And it's a pretty solid premise.
tim pool
Then second wave came in and they were like, well, women are different, so they should have certain privileges.
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tim pool
And then third wave came in and they were like, men or women?
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
Is that third wave or is that fourth wave?
ian smith
I think we're on fourth now.
ian crossland
Are we on fourth?
ian smith
I think we're on fourth.
tim pool
Third wave was like, give us special privileges.
lydia smith
That was bad too.
tim pool
First wave was, we should vote.
Second wave was, we should have to wear bras.
Third wave was, give us special privileges.
And fourth wave is, yeah, men or women, like critical theory.
ian smith
And there's no standard of beauty anymore either.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the thing about the game too.
ian smith
Everything is beautiful.
tim pool
All the women in the game are frumpy.
ian smith
We've erased the standard of beauty to where it includes everything because nobody's allowed to hold anybody to a certain standard.
You're not even allowed to hold yourself to a certain standard because then you're fatphobic or you're...
You're being insensitive to people who don't hold themselves to standard.
ian crossland
Narcissistic.
That's a word that gets overused.
tim pool
So this is an issue I have with the modern culture on art for people.
So Ian and I, we play Magic the Gathering.
Are you familiar with the game at all?
Yeah.
So early depictions of the characters were like attractive men and women.
And they were made to be stylized and look cool.
Angels were beautiful.
Now they're doing art where it's like frumpy.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Frumpy and homely.
Because it's representation.
My fantasy about elves has nothing to do with real people.
Show me a hot babe and a ripped guy, like they're idealized versions of people.
I don't need a fat, frumpy woman who's an angel.
It makes no sense to me.
ian smith
And we should have standards of beauty.
As a culture, we should have these things.
They're important.
They drive people to work hard to accomplish those standards.
lydia smith
I bet you know this constantly I see these new underwear models. This is a Victoria's Secret
I'm like this was supposed to be scandalous when I was younger. I remember thinking wow obviously I could never
look like that She's a model. I'm hoping that if I buy these underwear.
This is what I'll end up looking like right no more now These ladies are fugly they're disgusting
And I'm like, who wants to look like this?
Why would I buy your product if it's going to make me look like me in the mirror?
ian smith
It's the war of mediocrity.
These people don't want equality in the sense that... And they don't even want equity in a good way.
People don't want equality in the sense that, exactly, and they don't even want equity in
a good way.
They don't want to work, so in order to rationalize that, everybody needs to come down to the
lowest common denominator.
That lowest point where nobody is held accountable anymore.
And that's how a culture dies.
tim pool
There is a mall chain for fat women called Torrid.
lydia smith
That's correct, yes.
tim pool
And we went to the mall and I walked past and all of the mannequins are morbidly obese.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's bad.
It's really bad.
tim pool
Look up the website.
lydia smith
Dude, so bad.
tim pool
Let me see if I can pull it up.
ian crossland
Fashion for sizes 12 to 28.
tim pool
Yeah.
12 to 28.
unidentified
Those are very large sizes.
ian smith
You're not just talking about a woman who carries extra weight.
lydia smith
Look at this.
That's not Kirby, guys.
ian smith
You're talking about somebody who's coming from somebody who's in the health profession.
You're talking about somebody who has serious health issues.
tim pool
Morbid.
ian smith
Currently, if not right on the horizon.
tim pool
No, I mean this is morbid obesity.
lydia smith
This makes me so sad.
ian crossland
The company's just horrid.
tim pool
And torrid sounds awful.
It means hot and dry.
lydia smith
Yikes.
Yep, that sounds about right.
ian crossland
That's so weird.
tim pool
So we had an idea and we were like, we should make a big and morbidly obese store, we'd call it that, and it would be called Chonkers.
lydia smith
I like that better.
unidentified
Chonkers is at least fun sounding.
ian crossland
This is like taking advantage of a crisis.
The obesity crisis is legitimate, and these guys are profiting off of that.
tim pool
Capitalism, man.
lydia smith
Yeah, this is actually what red-pilled me on feminism, was looking at the body positivity and being like, if they actually wanted women to succeed and live to see their children and grandchildren, but of course they don't.
They don't want them to have children and grandchildren.
Anyway, if they wanted people to live and succeed, they wouldn't want you to be fat.
They're liars.
ian smith
No, they don't.
They don't want any type of striving for greatness, and that's what makes this society amazing, is when people come together collectively to push the needle forward, to create progress.
tim pool
Look at this image.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Can you read that shirt?
ian smith
No, honey, you're thinner than me, not prettier.
lydia smith
What if I'm both?
tim pool
This is, they get mad when guys don't want to be with them.
I love how these fat chicks, these morbidly obese people are like, you should not have it.
ian smith
You have to.
tim pool
But if you're under six feet tall.
Oh yeah.
They don't message you on Tinder.
That's right.
There was a guy who posted, he was 5'11", and he said that one day he decided to change his profile to say six foot, and then all of a sudden he got tons of messages.
unidentified
Oh wow.
ian crossland
For me, it's the age, not the height.
ian smith
These are these beauty standards that, you know, and this is the culture of doublethink here, right?
So they'll lower the beauty standards for women.
And if you don't accept them, then you are, you know, you're a fascist, you're a masochist, you're a patriarch, you're all of these horrible things, right?
But these are the same, and God forbid, at the same time, you can't even acknowledge a beautiful woman.
unidentified
Because then you're also... You were looking at her while you said that.
lydia smith
Yeah, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I'll take that.
unidentified
I was going to say, if you called her beautiful, I just couldn't bring myself to say it.
tim pool
I feel bad for her, dude.
ian smith
You get me too.
tim pool
Look at her face.
ian smith
If you acknowledge a beautiful woman under these circumstances, then you're doing the same things that they're accusing you of for not acknowledging the beauty of that woman.
lydia smith
Exactly.
ian smith
But these women will turn around and they'll clap and cheer and make all this noise over men who are attractive and they'll treat them just like the objects that they're so against being treated like.
tim pool
This is a subreddit called justlegbeardthings.
And I guess a legbeard is like an unkempt woman.
lydia smith
Oh, that sounds right.
tim pool
But look at her.
Actually, I feel bad for this woman.
She looks very unhappy.
She has to know that shirt is extremely cringey.
But I think she's like she needed money and someone said we want a morbidly obese woman to wear this shirt.
And she does not look happy about it.
She looks miserable.
ian smith
I don't think any of these people are happy.
I think the goal is to make everybody as unhappy as they are.
tim pool
You know what my conspiracy theory is?
You know the Dove Real Beauty campaign?
unidentified
Oh yeah, yeah.
tim pool
How it's like all these fat chicks?
ian smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Dove is owned by Unilever.
lydia smith
Oh!
tim pool
Do you know what other company is owned by Unilever?
lydia smith
Tell us.
tim pool
I'm sure it's probably like a fast food chain.
ian smith
Ben & Jerry's.
Oh God, yeah.
tim pool
And so I think, so Ben & Jerry's wants you to eat ice cream.
Unilever owns both and they're like, look, if we're telling women to be thin and beautiful, they're not going to buy our ice cream.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
So how do we do both?
Cheer them on for being morbidly obese.
Tell them to eat all the ice cream in the world.
Win-win.
ian smith
Win-win.
Exactly.
tim pool
Hey, unfettered capitalism ain't all that good.
ian crossland
I'm looking at this guy, Les Wexner, who was like big in the Epstein Island thing when Maria Farmer drew her set heels thing.
Les Wexner's front and center, right underneath Ghislaine, like he's the demon's face.
He runs Victoria's Secret.
He owns Victoria's Secret.
He's the guy that's putting the green light on these campaigns.
Why is some guy that apparently is involved or seems to be involved with pedophilia now twisting his campaign to stop focusing on hot chicks and focusing on fat girls?
tim pool
They're gutting the country.
ian smith
What the fuck?
You're destroying the culture.
ian crossland
So he's basically said fuck the United States.
He may have no... Imagine this.
ian smith
These people don't have allegiance to countries.
They have allegiance to money.
tim pool
Imagine this.
Imagine you go out to eat with your friends and they say, let's get Chinese food.
And you walk in and you say, what should I get?
And they say, oh, get the Kung Pao, you know, Sai Bo.
And you're like, sure.
And then out comes a plate with a steaming pile of dog shit.
You go, I'm not eating that.
That's fucked up.
And they say, you don't like Chinese food?
And you go, I guess not.
And then you leave, and someone says, no, no, no, trust me, I'm going to bring you to a good Chinese food restaurant.
And you go to another restaurant.
And you walk in, and they say, what did you get?
And try the Mo Fan Dong.
And you go, okay.
And then out comes a steamy pile of cat shit.
And you go, I don't want to eat this food!
From then on, you'll tell all your friends, I hate Chinese food.
It's disgusting.
I can't believe people eat it.
But they weren't giving you Chinese food, they were giving you shit!
So what happens now is people are going to say things like, maybe I'm gay.
They're going to be like, that's a pretty woman.
lydia smith
Actually, yeah.
tim pool
Ian, that's a pretty woman.
Does she arouse you?
Maybe you're gay then.
You see what they're doing?
lydia smith
40% of young people.
ian smith
Especially when they start pushing it at that very young age.
At the age that they're starting to introduce this idea of homosexuality and gender and all this other stuff.
tim pool
They go like this, they get a little boy and they show him that fat chick and they go, do you think she's pretty?
And he goes, I guess.
Do you want to kiss her?
ian smith
No.
tim pool
And we should chop your balls off.
ian smith
Maybe you're trans.
tim pool
And then what they'll do is they'll show like a ripped guy and be like, he's attractive, right?
The kid goes, I guess.
That proves it.
See, you said the man was attractive, but the girl wasn't.
We should chop your balls off!
ian crossland
When I was in first grade, I would chase the girls around on the playground and pretend like I was trying to kiss them, and they'd be like, ah!
And they'd run and laugh.
But like, would a kid get in trouble for that today?
tim pool
That's your child rape?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's my child rape story.
unidentified
Sorry, Carla.
ian crossland
No, she's a good girl.
What's up, dude?
And it was like, just my way of like, society told me I was supposed to like girls, so I was like, I guess I'll like the girls on the play.
But now, today, would that be considered harassment?
Would you get a first grader pulled out of class?
ian smith
Oh my god, that would make CNN headlines.
Seriously, that would be the hate crime of the century.
ian crossland
It, like, actually helped me develop my relationships with those girls as friends.
ian smith
I think Don Lemon might cry.
Rachel Maddow would definitely cry about that on air.
tim pool
Don Lemon would be like, What's happening?
ian crossland
He's chasing them!
They're running!
tim pool
What's happened to our country?
unidentified
And then Tucker would do the thing with his face where he's like, Don Lamon was shocked.
tim pool
good Don Lemon. And then Tucker would do the thing with his face where he's like
Don Lemon was shocked. As he should be.
I think it's time to wrap things up.
Ian Smith, thanks for hanging out.
And other Ian, of course.
ian smith
Oh, thank you for having me.
tim pool
Two Ians today.
Thanks for coming, man.
Really appreciate it.
And for everybody who's a member, thanks for hanging out and making all this possible.
And we'll be back with the show tomorrow night.
And hopefully the world doesn't blow up.
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