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Timcast IRL - US Plans DIRECT ATTACKS On Russian Infrastructure Could Mean WW3 w/Ian Smith
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tim pool
You know, on this show a couple of days ago, we didn't expect it would get this bad in
We had several conversations where, you know, I had said there's no way that Russia is going to move from the north of Ukraine or through Belarus to try and take Kiev.
We had Steve Rene on.
He's from Fortitude Ranch.
And I asked him, do you think Putin would move from eastern Ukraine up to, like, as far west as Kharkiv?
And he's like, no, no, it's going to be southern Landbridge.
Boy, were we wrong, because there's reported attacks as far west as Lviv, which is basically, it's very close to Poland, and things are getting, things have gotten really, really bad.
So they're absolutely moving north through Belarus.
Belarus has apparently been like, no, we don't know anything about it.
We got nothing to do with it.
The U.S.
has got troops in Poland.
The Baltic states are on high alert.
Things are bad.
I've got, I spoke with a friend who's from Kiev who said, yup, war is here.
They're concerned for their family.
And so, yeah, dark times.
But here's where it gets particularly worrisome.
There's a few big stories, three in particular.
One is that NBC reported Joe Biden has been presented with plans for the US to engage in cyber attacks against Russia, against their infrastructure, which would mean US directly and publicly attacking Russian infrastructure in response to the war in Ukraine.
That is a dramatic and direct escalation.
It's effectively This article is threatening enough, you know, but Putin's probably got intelligence, but if the U.S.
were to actually publicly say, oh, we're gonna cyber attack your trains and your internet, we're gonna disrupt your economy, I don't see how that's not a declaration of war.
The next big story, which is potentially worse, is Ukraine and Boris Johnson and many others, journalists, blue checks, all saying, ban Russia from the SWIFT payment system, that's international banking.
If you do that, the US petrodollar is out.
Russia is not going to cease to exist.
They have resources.
They're going to be immediately working with China.
China's already backing them up.
Kicking them off of SWIFT would be, it would guarantee international war as far as I'm concerned.
Now, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm wrong.
And the last, most important story is China's defending Russia.
They're saying the U.S.
fanned the flames, the U.S.
caused this problem, and that Taiwan is basically the same as Ukraine.
And it's now been reported that China is basically saying they're going to need Russia's support because they plan to do the exact same thing to Taiwan.
This is everything we feared would happen, that if Russia moved into Ukraine, in the distraction, China would make its moves on Taiwan, and it seems like all of that is building up.
Now, I don't believe that Biden will actually attack, or there will be cyber attacks, but even if they were to happen, we wouldn't know.
They wouldn't come out and say, hey, we did this.
Russia may not care.
They may view any attack on their infrastructure from anyone as Joe Biden at this point.
Imagine some rogue hacker group now goes after their infrastructure and Putin says, well, Biden was the one saying he was going to do it.
Who does he blame?
We got a lot to talk about.
We got a lot of stories to talk about.
This is crazy stuff.
Joining us to talk about all of this is Ian Smith of Attilis Gym.
You had the state government, I believe, and these police, they come after you because you refuse to shut down your gym.
Now you're running for office.
Do you want to introduce yourself?
ian smith
Yeah.
My name is Ian Smith.
I'm one of the co-owners of the Attilis Gym of Belmar, New Jersey.
You may have heard of our story over the past two years when we reopened our business against lockdown measures in the state of New Jersey and Governor Phil Murphy threw pretty much all of the weight of the New Jersey government and legal system against us.
We went to war with these people and 700 and some odd days later our gym still is open.
We've amassed hundreds of thousands of dollars of fines.
We've had Pretty much everything thrown at us, but the gym stayed open, so we won that battle, and we remain open every single day.
That was our mission from the beginning, so the rest of it will get sorted out in the court system, slowly but surely.
And in the meantime, I have launched a congressional campaign in the 3rd District of New Jersey against incumbent Democrat Andy Kim, and we're gonna have some fun with it.
The goal is to make politicians really uncomfortable.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
You're also going to get thrown into the deep end on foreign policy conversations now.
ian smith
Yeah, it's good practice.
tim pool
This is going to be interesting.
Now, what I think is really interesting is it's Ian's time to shine because Ian's been harping on the swift payment system for some time.
And here we go.
ian crossland
Oh, man.
So this is like cancel culture at its worst.
If you think you can cancel rush out of existence and just close your eyes and they're gone.
This is not banning people from the methodology of living on Earth is not the way to to make them get along with you.
I'm ready to talk about it tonight.
Talk to you soon.
lydia smith
And I'm also here in the corner pushing buttons.
Very excited for this conversation.
The world is looking a little dark today, so hopefully we can shed some light on that.
We'll see what's up.
tim pool
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This one's just for you guys to pay attention and to be safe.
Make sure you have plans for the safety and security of your family.
Make sure you know if you're in potential hot spots.
Pay attention to what's happening around the world.
I don't know if this goes global or whatever.
I'm just saying, having some food, having some water, having a bug out kit, having a plan.
Sometimes there's a fire.
Sometimes there's a hurricane.
You just gotta understand these things.
And I hope everybody stays calm, stays safe, and thinks things through because it could get really spicy.
Let's get started by taking a look at this first story.
This one from NBC News.
One of the most shocking stories and I think, let me read the headline.
Biden has been presented with options for massive cyber attacks against Russia.
The options presented include disrupting the internet across Russia, shutting off power and stopping trains in their tracks.
They say, Biden has been presented with the menu of options for the U.S.
to carry out cyber attacks to disrupt Russia's ability to sustain its military operations in Ukraine, for people familiar with the deliberations tell NBC News.
This is important because they're not talking about retaliation.
This is not some story where they said, we've presented potential cyber attacks against Russia in the event they attack us.
No, this is, we want to have the U.S.
attack Russia to stop their operations in Ukraine.
Now, many people believe that we should be backing up Ukraine.
Many believe that we shouldn't.
Regardless, this story, I believe, is a threat to Vladimir Putin.
The purpose of publishing this is so that Putin knows the U.S.
is prepared to do it.
If the U.S.
wages a cyber war against Russia, going after their internet, their trains, they are attempting to cripple their economy.
Economic damage is warfare.
Scary stuff, man.
ian smith
Yeah, I mean, it's no different than if we were to go and bomb these same train routes.
There's less death and violence, but the same objective from a warfare standpoint is achieved, and that's the shutting down of the economy.
And that has major repercussions that no country is going to ignore.
So when you're putting these options on the table, you said it perfectly, are we thinking about retaliation?
Because we're not immune to that.
We've already seen over the past year, I mean, we've seen several cyber attacks over the past year.
We know that our networks are just as vulnerable, if not more vulnerable, to those same cyber attacks.
So do we really want to start that tit-for-tat?
No, we definitely don't.
I don't think there's a winner in that game.
tim pool
It may already be happening.
There was a, what was it, the refinery explosion?
lydia smith
Yeah, in Oregon.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
When was that, last night or when was that?
lydia smith
Crazy.
So that was the day before.
It was yesterday, I think.
And it just blew up and they had no idea why.
So I still didn't figure it out.
I was just like, is this possibly an infrastructure attack?
tim pool
Yeah.
It was a food processing plant that just exploded.
Hey, look, I don't want to connect dots where we have no reason to connect dots.
unidentified
Weird.
ian crossland
Putin, I was listening to an interview a couple years ago, he was talking to like a crowd and saying that America's military defense capabilities basically the last 20 or 30 years, they've been building up their defensive capabilities against intercontinental ballistic missiles and missile defense.
And now that weaponry is so advanced and evolved that all that defenses stuff is obsolete.
And so all this American, we think we've got these great, complete obsolescence.
I mean, anyone that wants to kill right now, any government that wants to blow up a country can do it.
I don't think they can, any superpower, US, China, or Russia, if they want to level something, they can level it.
There's going to be consequences, obviously, but we're not safe.
Like, we're not living in like a bubble here, guys.
ian smith
I don't... Well, just imagine if somebody were to shut off the The subway system in New York City.
Imagine the type of chaos that would ensue from something just as simple as one target like that.
You don't need bombs.
You could turn a country inside out on itself with some of these cyber attacks.
You know, you could cause shortages in the supply chain.
You could cause disruptions in major cities.
Imagine New York City in a traffic jam of nine million people who can't get around all of a sudden.
What happens then?
tim pool
And a lot of people don't realize, because people have like a movie-esque view of warfare, the targeting of civilians wins you wars.
Look at World War II.
We blew up two cities, killed untold numbers of civilians, I mean massive numbers of civilians.
ian crossland
At least two cities.
tim pool
And they beg, please, please, please stop.
It's a scary thought, but you've got a lot of people who have this view of warfare as like, I love the idea of war crimes.
When you're dealing with the idea of war crimes, you're not really dealing with real war, necessarily.
What I mean by that is, when you can wag your finger and say, the international court will hear what you've done... That's not war.
I mean, it's a lower tier of what war could be.
When you're talking about actual existential war, then you're talking about people saying, I am going to evis-scorched earth your cities.
Because you gotta understand about targeting of civilians.
Who do you think is making the machines?
Who do you think is running the economy?
Who do you think is producing the food?
It's not like military is hammering away and smelting.
It's not like it's all military farming.
It's regular people.
So when you look at, say, the Civil War, Sherman's march to the sea, that's what the North said.
We wipe out the farms, we wipe out the people, we win the war, and boy, is that dark stuff.
But that's real war.
ian crossland
That's brutal war.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Dresden, the reason that the Allies firebombed Dresden in World War II, which was really one of the greatest atrocities of the war, Arguably had to happen because that's where they were, but it was a weapons manufacturing hub, basically.
So they were like, you know what?
We're taking them all out.
ian smith
Full of civilians.
ian crossland
This isn't like if a terrorist has a building and they're firing at you and then they have a family in there with them.
Do you unload on the building with your M1 Abram and just level it to the ground?
The answer in warfare is yes, because you're being fired at from that building.
tim pool
People will use human shields, man.
I was watching these videos out of Ukraine and the subway systems in Kiev where everyone was piling in trains.
What people need to know is the subway systems in Kiev, I believe probably most of Ukraine, go deep underground, like legit.
When I was there and I'm taking the train, the escalator's going down.
Seemingly endless!
And it's because during the Cold War, when they're building these things, they were worried about nuclear strikes.
And trains are extremely, if not the most important piece of infrastructure, transporting people and goods.
So they said, if we're gonna protect anything with deep underground bunkers, we gotta get our train systems to move goods.
You take a look, there's a story out of New York, it's fascinating. There's like a secret room in
Grand Central Station that contains this old machine that used to run all of the tracks.
And it was hidden behind like a secret wall or something. I don't know if you can fact check me
on the story, but something like this. The reason was, if any of our adversaries, say Cold War
adversaries, found it, shutting down that one machine would cripple the US economy.
You try to understand, man, when the US...
says we're going after your trains, that is level one of starting the war.
We are going to shut down your ability to transport materials and maintain your economy.
And the report is so specifically we can shut down your efforts in Ukraine.
ian crossland
It's a form of siege warfare, really.
If you're crippling their ability to transport food to their citizens, you're putting them under siege.
ian smith
And I think it's I think it's extremely reckless to put that threat out in the open.
unidentified
Right.
ian smith
It just it seems it seems like a flagrant wag of the finger or a middle finger into the face of somebody who is clearly already easily provoked.
lydia smith
Yeah, doesn't it seem strange that we are having this conversation about this?
Doesn't this seem like something we should keep on the down-low?
Am I crazy?
unidentified
Exactly!
ian smith
Why would you say that out in the open?
ian crossland
It's intentional that they put it out there.
tim pool
They're basically saying, Vladimir Putin, we intend to attack you.
ian crossland
And they knew, having Biden say this, he'd come out like... It's like, no, we can't even let our president say it.
We got to put it in the news.
It's that bad.
tim pool
What did someone say?
Joe Biden said, chew grain instead of Ukraine or something like that.
Yeah, someone shared this.
I don't know.
I didn't see the clip, but... Wow, a president that can't command.
There's a whole bunch of memes about, you know, what's going on.
And it's like, there's one, it's Braveheart.
And it's like, Barack Obama.
And then it's, you know, Mel Gibson.
ian crossland
No!
tim pool
And then Trump comes, then it says Trump.
Four Trumps, you know, for each year.
And he's like, hold!
And then it's Biden.
No!
unidentified
Charge!
ian smith
Yeah, look, there's something to be said for that.
There's something to be said for the fact that throughout, love them or hate them, throughout the Trump years, we didn't have these type of situations bubbling up to the surface right in front of us where people seem to be able to do whatever they want without fear of recourse.
I mean, there's something to be said for that type of posturing.
And I think if you want to keep the world a safe place, You have to be able to do that to a certain extent.
tim pool
You see what Rachel Maddow said?
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
That the reason that Putin didn't attack Ukraine under Trump was because Trump's position was aligned with Putin's or something like that.
lydia smith
Moscow, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, with Moscow.
ian smith
Of course, they're still selling that Russian collusion narrative, right?
tim pool
To a certain degree, though, I don't think she's, I think she's tactless, but there's one issue is the issue of NATO.
I mean, we brought it up on the show that Trump was like, why are we still in NATO?
Like, what's the purpose here?
And so Putin was like, Okay.
Like, let's see what happens.
However, I do think, in my opinion, I think Trump was too erratic.
I don't think that Vladimir Putin was like, finally a president who's going to work it for my favor.
No, that makes no sense because he was moving on Ukraine under Obama.
He wanted Crimea, the Eastern regions had already declared independence.
He waited until there was someone weaker in office.
And I think the issue is certainly maybe, you know, it may be that When Trump was questioning NATO and saying they should pay more, Putin was like, we'll see what happens.
But that just seems like a stretch.
The simpler answer is Donald Trump was called a madman by his own followers, by his own fans.
They called him the madman.
They called him the God Emperor.
Vladimir Putin's like, got to be careful with a man like that.
He's erratic.
You can't predict necessarily what he's going to do.
Now it doesn't mean that Putin...
ian smith
Because in a sense he's looking at a reflection of himself.
tim pool
Absolutely.
ian smith
There's a lot of aspects about Vladimir Putin that are very similar and you can't predict
what they're going to do. They're extremely hard-headed individuals. And again, it's not
do you like it, do you not like it, it's what keeps the wolves at bay.
tim pool
How much you want to bet?
You see that statement from Joe Biden about a minor incursion?
Remember that?
ian smith
Yeah.
tim pool
They were like, what do you do if Russia invades us?
It depends on whether it's a minor incursion or not, you know, we'll see what we'll do.
And then everyone's like, he's basically saying the U.S.
is a tolerance level for a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
And then Biden was like, that's their line?
I can push it a little bit.
I can't believe it.
Let's pull up this map real quick from NBC News.
ian crossland
Putin pushed it a little bit.
tim pool
Yeah, Putin.
What did I say?
unidentified
Biden.
tim pool
Oh, Putin pushed it.
No, Biden.
The only thing he pushes is his wheelchair as he's going to the sunroom to go to sleep.
ian crossland
I want to help him.
tim pool
Check out this map.
They hit everywhere.
I mean, this is crazy.
Yeah.
Through Belarus.
It's absolutely insane.
unidentified
Comprehensive.
tim pool
And this map isn't even comprehensive.
Lviv is not even on this map.
So, you know, I was talking to my friend from Kiev, and she was just telling me, like, all of these cities that were hit.
So what it may be is that Russia's got special forces or some kind of ground troops who had already infiltrated Kiev and then staged these low-tier attacks to cause widespread chaos, confusion, and panic.
Seems to have worked.
ian crossland
That sounds right.
There's a lot of Russian sentiment in Ukraine, from what I've heard, what I've been learning about.
I mean, it used to be part of the Soviet Union, and a lot of people in the Soviet Union felt a lot of kinship towards Russia, and it all kind of spawned from Russia in the beginning, the Russian Revolution and so on.
tim pool
You guys ready to get madder than you've ever been?
ian smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm looking at it already.
Why don't you read that headline, Ian?
unidentified
You want me to take the first line and take the second line?
ian crossland
You go all the way.
ian smith
Biden administration asks CBP officers to leave southern border for Ukraine, according to new memo.
unidentified
You have got to be kidding me!
ian smith
This is the type of stuff that makes me want to go crazy.
First of all, you look at that headline and you can't even begin to wrap your head around it.
We don't even have enough people at the southern border.
This has been an issue for, what, a year now?
And you're pulling them to go to Ukraine.
tim pool
Or asking volunteers.
And it's because they want... So it's mostly Poland.
They want these troops in Poland processing Ukraine refugees or migrants.
It's just... Let me read a little bit.
They say...
The Biden administration is asking CBP officers to voluntarily deploy to Poland following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
After being selected, volunteers will deploy within two or three days and work in Europe for at least one month.
They say the Office of Field Operations is seeking volunteers to assist with the possible evacuation of U.S.
citizens, lawful permanent residents, and their immediate family members in Ukraine, reads a memo sent to the agency's field operations executives and obtained by Just the News.
So I don't want to immediately be like, oh, you know, shake my fist.
We got to get Americans out of Ukraine.
We got to get permanent residents.
We got to get, you know, anyone who's helping us.
We cannot let this be another Afghanistan.
Correct.
ian smith
Do we need the border patrol here in America doing that job to leave?
I feel like we have plenty aspects of our military that could cover that job.
Absolutely.
I think military police could probably do that, just to name a few.
tim pool
I'd like to present you with my vision of how this came about.
So, you've got Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, and they're in a room, and someone comes in, you know, and they're like, Mr. President, the situation in Ukraine is very serious.
We're going to need personnel to evacuate American citizens, permanent residents.
And Biden goes, oh, oh, oh, no!
Oh, we have to open the southern border now!
Because CBP is the only one who can do it.
And they're like, no, Mr. President, we don't have to.
Oh, geez, you forced my hand.
All right, send CBP off the border and send them to Ukraine.
ian smith
The only people that understand borders is the Border Patrol.
ian crossland
I was thinking yesterday, I actually tweeted it out.
A war with Russia is actually a war with Russia and China.
And if that happened, we wouldn't be complaining about China invading Taiwan.
We'd be complaining about them invading our southern border through Mexico.
Do not F around with this.
tim pool
Can we coin the term for, like, the Russia-China alliance?
You know, because, like, history will remember the name of the... They're going to call them, like, you know, like the Axis of Evil or something.
ian crossland
Sino-Rus.
tim pool
Sino-Rus.
Yeah, something like that.
How about, like, the...
The evil Avengers.
ian crossland
I can't even bring myself to call them evil.
Like the good and evil narrative is broken down.
We've been, America's been putting weapons and military bases in people's face for a hundred years.
This is insane.
And then they invade Iraq.
This is the country of freedom.
The one that liberated Cuba from the Spanish empire and gave it autonomy and independence.
We fought a war to give Cuba independence, not to conquer it.
And then we go into Iraq and Afghanistan.
We give the rest of the world carte blanche.
You can't sit in a country and let the government conquer, say nothing, and not expect other countries to start conquering.
We are the example.
tim pool
It's all the same.
It's propaganda.
The U.S.
and Afghanistan.
The U.S.
and Iraq.
And then they go, oh, I can't believe that Russia would invade Ukraine.
ian crossland
Get out of Iraq!
Get out of Iraq, right now!
Get out, man!
Get out and do it safely!
God, get out!
tim pool
This is what I tweeted, and it was a multifaceted tweet.
I said, I'm gonna start an organization called Anti-War, and we're going to claim to oppose war, but we'll actively support any war that we're engaged in, because we're engaged in war for the sake of stopping war, so our war is justified.
And then everyone was like, you're describing the United States and Antifa at the same time.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
The US is justified in engaging in its conflicts.
You know what the issue is?
ian smith
It's the same players pointing their fingers at each other over and over again.
I mean who was in Afghanistan before we were?
ian crossland
It was the Russians, the Soviets.
ian smith
It's back and forth and back and forth and when you're playing that game it's hard to point the finger because we don't have any right to say anything because we've been invading territories For our own reasons.
We had weapons of mass destruction was the first reason.
That turned out to be a big lie.
And then, next thing you know, we're in how many countries in the Middle East?
And then we're pulling out recklessly?
And then you want to point your finger?
And it's not to say that what Putin is doing is right.
It's not.
But we can't be the moral high ground of the world if we don't have a moral high ground to stand on.
tim pool
Yeah.
So, you know, when people are talking about why we should not get involved in Ukraine, I agree.
I'm like, we shouldn't.
You know, to a certain extent, we can be.
We obviously have to protect our allies in the Baltic states to a certain degree.
I don't even know how much we want to get involved in that if things, you know, truly go south, because it's not even our border.
But we do have allies.
The challenge, though, I think, is It may be inevitable.
Whether we want to or not, you look at what happens in World War II, eventually you get dragged into it now.
ian smith
Yeah, you could ignore it.
You know, you could say, okay, well, we're not getting involved in Ukraine, but what happens when Ukraine falls?
What does Putin do next?
tim pool
You know, so... Poland's not going to be sitting... They're not going to be happy about that.
ian smith
Yeah, we've become entangled in all these relationships because we wanted to go out and be the world police.
We wanted to go out and put all these weapons facilities all over the world and Spread freedom by force and look where it gets us.
How much better off is the American public over the past 60, 70 years that we've adopted this world police sort of mentality?
What has it done for the average American citizen?
Yeah, quote unquote, it's guaranteed our safety, but you can't even measure that.
You can't measure what you've actually stopped.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't feel very safe right now.
ian smith
But what is the cost to the average American citizen?
We have what, $30 trillion in debt?
How much of that is war debt?
You know, from from us being the world police, from us funding NATO, from us funding all these alliances and acting like we're supposed to be, you know, regulating everybody's behavior around the world.
It's it's a novel or excuse me, it's a noble cause.
But how how successful have we been and at what cost?
tim pool
Nobody nobody wants to be the one to back down.
You know, when I when I talk about, say, Antifa and the woke far left.
Actually, I'll present you the conundrum.
The culture war is rampaging on.
Would you be willing to give up free speech and the first and second amendments to have peace with Antifa?
Like, I say Antifa, but, you know, the far left, the woke, of course not.
ian crossland
Never.
tim pool
There's no compromise there.
ian smith
Even if it would come at peace, because it's peace at what cost kind of deal, because what comes after that peace?
tim pool
And so what happens with a country like Ukraine is people, you know, they say things like, we should just not have the war, you need to, like, we should do, and it's like, I know it's, yes, we don't want war, and it's really easy to say, but you've got Russia.
Vladimir Putin looks at what's going on there and he says, I will not tolerate the U.S.
coming in.
And I mean, you look at what happened.
It's the West.
It's NATO.
It's EU.
You look what happened in 2014 with the protests there with Yanukovych.
Putin views Ukraine as already conquered by the U.S.
Yanukovych was ousted.
Pro-America politicians get put in.
Pro-West politicians.
And then he's like, I'm not going to tolerate, that's a red line for me.
So he says, we're going to go in and we're going to get rid of this Western influence.
The United States says the exact same thing about Russia.
Vladimir Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Union.
He's trying to build up the Russian Trade Federation.
He wants Ukraine as well.
We're battling over Ukraine.
And the question with Yanukovych was, you know, who's he going to side with?
Where's the country going to go?
Neither side is willing to give up that territory, the breadbasket of Europe.
Thus, you get war.
Now let me just throw it back to the original.
ian smith
We're no better off than we were 70 years ago, 80 years ago during the Cold War.
unidentified
Right.
ian smith
We're right back in that same scenario.
tim pool
But let's throw it to the start of the segment and to what I think matters substantially more.
When you have the Biden administration asking CBP officers to leave our southern border, They do not care about this country.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
And they're asking the United States of America to sacrifice blood and treasure for people in a faraway land.
lydia smith
Sorry, go ahead.
tim pool
I was going to say, shouldn't we secure our own oxygen masks?
ian crossland
Could you imagine being one of the first people that volunteered to go to Vietnam because you didn't know what was actually coming and waiting for you over there?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Those people, like the people who volunteered happily in the beginning because they didn't realize.
ian smith
Because they bought all the propaganda.
ian crossland
Lydia, I'm sorry.
I felt like I interrupted you.
unidentified
No, you're fine.
lydia smith
I was just going to say this to me seems like such insult to injury for Joe Biden to stand up there and say we're going to have to make sacrifices.
Who's really making sacrifices here?
Is it Joe Biden?
ian smith
The middle class.
It's my middle class and only the middle class.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, it's the it's the poverty, like middle class and down.
ian smith
Yeah.
When I say when I say middle class, I mean everybody, because to us or to them, to them, it's it's everybody except them.
tim pool
Look at these like blue check elites who are like, we have to intervene.
And it's like, I've got an application right here for you to sign up.
I will do your 55.
Well, if you could hold a gun.
ian crossland
I thought you asked a really interesting question.
What's Putin going to do next?
And that's like, I've been thinking a lot of this came up a couple of days ago and was worth repeating that when Hitler invaded Poland, he was doing it.
And he said, because they were after World War I, the Treaty of Versailles split a piece of Germany off, gave it to Poland.
And then the Polish government was executing and committing genocide on these Former Germans, now Polish.
So Hitler was going to liberate that area and bring peace back to those Germans.
Putin's saying a similar thing with Ukraine.
Post-Soviet, they're Russian.
There's a genocide going on.
He actually said that in his declaration yesterday.
I don't know if there's a genocide going on.
The U.S.
news has been completely silent.
I've never heard an inkling that there might be a genocide going on in Ukraine.
tim pool
It's different.
ian crossland
It's not out of the realm of possibility.
tim pool
No, no, no.
It's different.
I would say I think the Ukrainians learned their lesson about Russian control from the Holodomor and probably are not too keen to be involved in something like that.
But if we're drawing parallels, Russia doesn't need to be Germany in this.
China can be.
It's, you know, history doesn't repeat itself.
Oh, you're right.
ian crossland
Because China does have... Mussolini and Hitler kind of fed off each other.
One would invade a little bit, then the other would be like, oh, okay, I guess that means it's okay for me to take.
And they're like, really?
Well, then I'm going to take a little bit more here.
Then I'll go into Poland here.
So if the Russians take a little piece, the Chinese psychotic racist, Han supremacist mentality might... Because Putin's not a psychotic racist.
Hitler was.
But the CCP, they strike me as psychotic racist.
tim pool
Well, they got the Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps.
ian crossland
And this is also American propaganda.
I'm getting this fed to me from the Americans, but that's what it seems like.
tim pool
It's not just the Americans reporting on what's happening with the Uyghur Muslims.
And you've also got the Falun Gong.
ian smith
That's an established fact.
I mean, it's like open massacre on these people.
We're not without sin, but I think there's a certain level of sinister behavior that's going on.
Within the Chinese government that is beyond what we're talking about with everybody else.
tim pool
Let me jump to this story from Newsweek because this is relevant.
Newsweek reports U.S.
expects Kiev to fall in days as Ukraine's source warns of encirclement.
So you've got multiple reporters on the story saying, three different U.S.
officials, Ukraine's capital will fall within, I think they say 96 hours, and within a week the Ukrainian government will fall to Russia.
It's bad.
It's very bad.
However, it could be better than the alternative.
Ukraine falling could be an end to the conflict outright.
ian smith
Sure, yeah.
These situations are terrible because they're incredibly complex and you don't know the next moves of some of these people.
What happens when Ukraine falls?
Is Putin satisfied?
lydia smith
That's a great question.
This is my next question.
ian smith
Is he satisfied?
If he is satisfied, do we just take that loss?
Yeah.
And what are the repercussions of that?
tim pool
I mean, is it a loss for America?
What are we worried about?
Now, the issue is, NATO, these Western European nations, want cheaper energy.
Russia controls a lot of the energy flowing in.
The craziest thing is, one of the moves that Joe Biden made in the past couple of days was to sanction the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which goes from Russia to Germany.
He sanctioned that.
But he was the one who lifted the sanctions on it in the first place.
They tried to appease Putin.
ian smith
After he shut down the Keystone XL pipeline.
tim pool
Exactly.
They tried to appease Russia.
It didn't work.
Vladimir Putin sees the appeasement.
They're like, OK, we're going to lift these sanctions.
You can do your pipeline.
Just don't invade Ukraine, otherwise we'll put them back in place.
And Putin went, Oh, yeah, sure.
ian smith
Because we were fine with those sanctions.
unidentified
Yep.
ian smith
You know, they weren't affecting them that greatly.
So he said, OK, sure.
tim pool
Ben Shapiro made a really, really great point.
He said, paraphrasing, that our culture is so materialistic that we think sanctions inhibiting their ability to buy things will stop them.
Russia wants to rebuild the Russian Empire.
China wants Taiwan.
ian smith
Joe Biden said it today.
Joe Biden said it today that he didn't think the sanctions were going to do anything.
unidentified
Yeah, he did.
ian smith
He did say that.
There's a clip of him coming out and saying, yeah, well, we didn't think sanctions were going to do anything anyway.
You know, so it's all for show.
He knows that that's not going to be enough of a deterrent.
lydia smith
Ben Shapiro made the really interesting point.
Sorry to cut you off.
I just had to throw this out there.
But Ben Shapiro made the really interesting point that Russia has something higher to work for that the U.S.
no longer has.
He's like, we are so materialistic, we care about faster cars, we care about Levi's, we don't actually care about our country, or like any kind of overarching moral framework, and they do, and that's something we cannot understand.
ian smith
Because they've been struggling for how long?
Right, exactly.
And if you're in the Russian government, and if you're Vladimir Putin, you're seeing this as a chance to, like you said, rebuild or restore whatever that empire was in his mind.
And we're not looking at it from that perspective.
In America, we've never experienced that.
The worst hardship that we've experienced financially, in terms of hardship, was the Depression.
And we made it out of that okay, and that elapsed far into our memories.
These people have been living Under harsh conditions for a really long time.
So they're looking at these opportunities to capitalize and become a more powerful country, become more economically stable.
So what dog do we have in the fight here?
ian crossland
I think if he was smart, Putin, and he is, that he would take what he takes out of Ukraine and then that's it.
He moves on and he's remembered as Vladimir the Great.
ian smith
But if he pushes too far?
Honestly, if you were a betting man, would you bet that he would do that?
tim pool
No, I wouldn't.
ian crossland
Yeah, because otherwise he's going to get the world to declare war on him.
He's got to be careful.
tim pool
No, no.
I think, you know, we learned a lesson here.
Just two days ago, we're like, ah, he won't go for Kiev.
That's ridiculous.
He won't go.
ian smith
96 hours, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, we were sitting here saying it'll never happen.
And then last night, it's like the show ends and I got a message from Luke and he's like, all caps.
ian crossland
That was during the show too, that's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah, Russia's invaded and I'm like, well then.
ian crossland
Hard and fast, because if he took a little bit now and then waited and later went for Kiev, it'd be a big deal.
Now he's just taking it all at once to get it over with before people have a chance.
ian smith
From the looks of the map, it looks like the entire country's gonna go down.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's gonna take the whole thing.
And then it's gonna be done.
And it's gonna be Russia.
tim pool
Why would he stop?
ian crossland
Because the world will declare war on him if he doesn't.
tim pool
No, they won't.
ian crossland
I think they will.
tim pool
He's already, who?
ian crossland
We have no choice at that point.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, who?
ian crossland
The United States, Britain, France, Germany.
ian smith
All these people that are relying on cheap energy.
ian crossland
Turkey probably will get... This is the issue.
Chinese will be on the Russian side.
It'll be absolute torture for everybody.
ian smith
It's this entanglement of everybody's interests.
You know, you have Europe relying on Russia for a tremendous amount of cheap energy.
Are they going to be so quick to declare war?
tim pool
Well, this is the crazy thing.
The idea for so long was that trade would stop war.
It's what the neocons and neoliberal establishment thought they were going to do.
They said, we do a free trade agreement with China and then we'll have peace because no one will want to go to war.
Instead, what happens is the bully in the room says, I'll go to war and I get your stuff and ain't nothing you can do about it.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Yeah, it works a little true, but it doesn't stop war.
It helps get people get to know each other, but that's it gives you an incentive to work together, but it doesn't stop conflict.
ian smith
That's no, it doesn't because there's always workarounds in a global economy.
There's always workarounds.
You can slap rash Russia with sanctions, but guess what?
When China has their back, how much do the sanctions actually mean?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Like if they get kicked off the swift payment system, did that we already touch on that story?
tim pool
We're going to show next in a second.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's I mean, that's talking about a new banking regime.
tim pool
But I think.
Right now you've got Germany.
They didn't want the sanctions on Nord Stream 2 because they want the gas.
They want the energy.
They need it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Now they have no choice because Vladimir Putin's like, I literally don't care.
I got you by the balls.
If you need our gas, we can take what we want.
It's one of the reasons the US was like, hey, we should be working with our Western allies to move this pipeline up from, you know, the Qatar Turkey pipeline through Syria.
But all of that does, all that does, If Vladimir Putin has control over your energy, and then you say, we're going to screw with your allies and build a pipeline to shut your monopoly on energy down, they're going to be like, you know I can see you doing that, right?
lydia smith
I don't think that's going to happen.
tim pool
Putin's like, I'm watching you attack my interests.
I'm not going to sit back and let you do it.
ian crossland
I used to play a lot of Civilization, and in the game sometimes I would choose to be like a trade-heavy country, and I'd have all these trade networks all over the world, but then every once in a while the world would be like, we're going to war.
And as soon as the person would go to war with me, all my trades would end abruptly.
I'd be bankrupt.
I'd have no income.
I'd have no furs.
I'd have no leather.
Basically, if you're relying on trade and you go to war with your trade partner, you're done.
tim pool
You're saying you're bad at Civilization?
Is that what it is?
ian crossland
Well, I learned the hard way.
I got good the hard way, is what I was saying.
tim pool
See, what you do in Civilization, it's a video game, is... Energy independence.
No, you take the furs from them with guns.
ian crossland
Well, that's one option, if you're playing that kind of... I never play Civilization that way.
tim pool
I always have really strong borders, a really strong and advanced military, and I mind my own business.
If I get attacked, I go full.
ian smith
That is a novel concept.
Can you say that one more time for us?
tim pool
This is how I... Isn't it... You know, this is really funny, though.
ian smith
Do you win a lot when you play?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, every time.
But I go for science and cultural victory, which is, there's different ways to win.
So, you know, I had a buddy, and he introduced me to Fallout 3.
So I'm playing Fallout 3.
You ever play Fallout?
Yeah.
So, whenever I play it, you know what I go for?
I go for stealth, sniper, sneak, lockpick.
ian crossland
So dangerous, yeah.
tim pool
That's how I play the game.
I never get in any direct conflicts.
I see a super mutant, I'm in the bushes, and slow motion, vats.
ian crossland
Gotta get some power armor just in case.
tim pool
Hold on, my buddy, when he's playing the game, He runs in, guns blazing, heavy weapons.
ian smith
That's how I played Metal Gear.
ian crossland
Hip fire.
tim pool
But wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Check it out.
He was a Marine.
And so I'm like, you know what, like the mentality of the person comes out, you know, it's expressed in the way they play these games.
His view was go in, guns a-blazing, shut it down quick and fast and control the situation.
Mine was sneak around slowly, take your time, be patient, very different personalities.
When I play Civilization, You can see my mentality on all this stuff.
I don't like war.
Mind my own business.
Peace and prosperity.
And that's how I play the game.
I build up my cities.
I make everyone live really great lives.
We do research and technology.
And we mind our own business.
ian crossland
What do you do if someone attacks you in the game?
tim pool
We wipe them out.
ian smith
Strong borders.
I take it to zero.
It's a strong defense though.
ian crossland
I'll go, if I get attacked, I go completely ballistic and wipe them off the face of the earth.
I don't just sue for peace.
I eradicate the species.
Well, in civilization, if you do that, all the other countries... And then they think I'm a warmonger, but it's like, you know what?
You deserve it because you attacked me.
That's a crazy mentality, and I'm afraid that humans have that mentality in real life.
tim pool
I'm playing a game.
I got my little country.
You know, the land my people have settled.
They come to my borders and they say, give me your stuff.
And I say, don't try it.
Don't try it.
They try it.
They get crushed.
I go into their cities.
I occupy them.
And then when everyone gets mad at me, I say, I don't care.
Stay the eff away from my borders.
Leave me alone and you'll have no problems.
I like that mentality.
America can have all the nukes in the world, it can be the most powerful MF around the planet, and it can sit back with its feet up and be like, dude, we're chilling, you guys leave us alone, and we're good.
ian smith
That was the original idea, right?
unidentified
Until they invaded Iraq, or Afghanistan.
ian smith
I mean, we got it wrong way before that.
tim pool
I think it was like Woodrow Wilson.
ian crossland
It was before.
We colonized Hawaii.
We invaded Hawaii and took it over from the natives.
We invaded Wake Island and Midway Island.
We were one of those conquistador countries with Britain and France and all them.
ian smith
Yeah, but the original idea was that we set out to be isolationists.
We conquered, obviously, from sea to sea, and then we said, okay, this is our spot here now, and we're not going to go around the world, but we're going to show it off.
You know, they sailed the Navy around the world originally.
The Great White Fleet or whatever I believe it was called.
You know, because to show off our might.
But then it went back to our borders.
And realistically, that should be the purpose of a military.
lydia smith
You know what would have enabled us to maintain our isolationist policies would have been to have developed some form of energy independence, because this is a problem in Germany.
They decided to shut down their nuclear plants because they had a whole lot of green guilt from a little Swedish girl.
And now they rely so heavily on Russian gas.
They can't live without it.
They're literally talking about blackouts and brownouts during the winter in Germany because they shut down their nuclear power plants and they rely so heavily on it.
tim pool
And when they sanction Russia, it is going to be a dark and cold winter.
ian smith
Well, freedom is about Right.
If you can't stand on your own two feet, whether that be at the level of a country or all the way down to the individual, you can't be free unless you can tell somebody to piss off.
That you don't need them and that you'll do it yourself.
lydia smith
Yes, yes.
ian smith
And we need to have that, if we're going to adopt that mentality as a country, we can't be reliant upon China, Russia, anybody for energy.
We have to be able to stand on our own two feet and say, we're not getting involved, but if you come to our borders, you will find out.
ian crossland
I got truly trounced by this.
If you think nuclear energy is too dangerous, but you're willing to threaten a nuclear war power for oil for your energy, you've missed the plot.
lydia smith
Don't see the problem.
ian crossland
Nuclear power is less dangerous.
It's safer than attacking Russia.
tim pool
I gotta give, we gotta give an honorable mention to Ian for this next segment.
The Guardian reports, Kiev is furious as EU waivers on banning Russia from the SWIFT payment system.
Now, before we get into everything, I just want to point this out.
If you guys, you know, there's a lot of people that are like, oh, World War III, it's clickbait, it's not gonna happen.
The SWIFT payment system.
It's the International Monetary International Banking System.
ACH payments, bank transfers.
It's how trade is done.
If Russia gets booted, because this is what's happening.
Kiev is furious.
They say, we want it to happen, but their members of EU, like Germany, they're saying, we don't want to do it.
Boris Johnson is saying, do it, boot Russia from SWIFT.
This would mean Russia can't use banks anymore outside of the country.
It cuts them off financially.
Do you think China says, sorry, Russia can't help you. Or do you think China
says we'll facilitate the trade for you?
Do you think Russia says, Oh no, I guess we've lost. And now everything is done. Or do you think
Russia says you want a war? We'll give you one cutting them off from the financial system.
Look, the only thing it will do is push Russia further away and give them less of a reason to
actually negotiate on any of this stuff. And I see blue checks.
I see high-profile Democrat personalities and never-Trump or neocon types being like, yeah, we should do this.
Yeah, yeah, shut it down.
And I'm like, okay, give Russia nothing left to lose.
Do it.
And then see how they respond.
ian crossland
Fortunately, from the Washington Examiner, 50 minutes ago, Biden declines to cut Russia from SWIFT payments.
tim pool
No, no, that's from today's sanctions.
There's going to be a meeting, I believe, tomorrow.
So Biden today said, we're only going to sanction some of their biggest banks.
We are not going to be cutting them off from SWIFT.
This does not mean they won't in the future.
ian smith
That sounds like a baby step to me.
tim pool
Saying your four largest banks are being cut off.
It's saying, be prepared.
We're going to shut down your entire financial system coming soon.
unidentified
So crazy.
ian crossland
And then you see him shutting off the bank accounts of the Canadian people.
Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, has shut off three, according to Tulsi Gabbard, three of the largest television stations in prison.
Like, this is Western democracy doing these things.
Threatening to shut off economies.
We're not the good guys.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
ian crossland
Maybe we're not the good guys.
tim pool
War, war, war ain't no thing.
ian crossland
No, nobody's a good guy in war.
tim pool
War is not a walk in the park.
During World War II, we had an office of censorship.
The U.S.
had a department of censorship.
ian crossland
The Germans had the Minister of Propaganda, Goebbels.
tim pool
Yo, we had internment camps for the Japanese in the United States.
ian smith
They don't teach that too often anymore.
They browse right over that in U.S.
history 1 and 2 in high school now.
tim pool
What, internment camps?
Not for me!
ian smith
Well, now, I mean.
You know that these days?
Yeah.
I mean, history history class has gotten watered down tremendously since, you know, since the
time that we were in school.
ian crossland
We should know more.
ian smith
I mean, that's that's something that's really important, because, again, it's it's if we
are going to be the country that says you are wrong, you can't do this.
We need to start working on our BS too.
ian crossland
And like Tim was saying, in war, you know, how things change, maybe there was some value to interning the Japanese that may have been Japanese spies.
Who knows?
If we hadn't interned the Japanese, maybe there would have been an overthrow.
ian smith
That was the initial reasoning for it.
ian crossland
But it was like Japanese citizens, civilians, like expats, people that didn't deserve to be imprisoned were being interned.
ian smith
Yeah, there's a lot of collateral damage when you do something as sweeping as that.
tim pool
So you talk a lot, Ian, about the swift payment system.
Tell me your ideas on the SWIFT payment system.
ian crossland
It's like a global... I don't know who created it or where exactly.
I imagine it has to do with the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland.
But it's like a company... It actually goes through the Bank of Belgium.
tim pool
Wild.
I think like 11,000 banks.
Alright.
11,000 banks, 200 countries around the world.
ian smith
And it moves through the Bank of Belgium.
tim pool
The Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, SWIFT.
It was founded in 1973, 48 years ago.
La Hulp, is that how you pronounce it?
Belgium.
It handles basically all... I'm sorry, it says around half of all high-value cross-border payments worldwide use the SWIFT network.
ian smith
Does it have any figure as to the dollar amount of the transactions that go through that type of...
tim pool
It says 32... I'm sure it's staggering.
32 million messages per day.
ian smith
So... So it's a message, a transaction?
tim pool
A transaction.
I would imagine.
ian smith
32 million, okay.
So that's... You're talking an unconceivable amount of money, probably.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
And it's probably dark money, too.
I bet a lot of that's under the table.
That's the problem with the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland, where they kind of funnel money through, is there's no oversight, no governmental oversight in the world.
It's a private company that's controlling this economy, basically, right now.
ian smith
So, I have a... maybe you'll have some thoughts on this, right?
So, say we do kick them out.
Right?
We kick them out of SWIFT.
Where does the crypto market come into that?
unidentified
Oh, baby.
ian crossland
They'll probably make like Bitcoin.
I bought Bitcoin today.
Yeah, they'll probably make it their national currency, a crypto.
They'll probably create like one or use Bitcoin.
ian smith
Or that's an interesting, what happens with the crypto market then when an entire country says, all right, you'll kick me off of your traditional standard transaction system?
Well, We have crypto.
tim pool
That's right.
And you can't shut that down.
ian smith
You can't.
Russia can just very easily say, we're going to now... Unless you shut off their internet in the entire country, I guess would be the only... That was a threat.
The threat from this article.
unidentified
And again, look how quickly that escalates.
tim pool
You could replace the banking ledger with the crypto ledger.
You could say, here's what we're going to do.
I mean, I'm sure Russia's already working on it.
Russia's bought up Bitcoin.
They're probably saying, why should we rely on the centralized controlled payment system out of Western Europe?
We can just use decentralized crypto to facilitate value exchanges and then have that be the basis for our monetary system in our own country.
ian smith
And again, you have talking from a crypto standpoint, you know, I have a very novice level of understanding of crypto, but they say, OK, we're going to adopt crypto.
And then what happens when the entire Russian economy switches to mining crypto?
They have the space for it.
They have the resources.
tim pool
They could do it up in those really cold Siberian places where it keeps the GPUs cold enough.
ian crossland
We're in an interesting place in crypto where we're moving away from proof of work to create the crypto and it's moving towards proof of stake.
So like the people that are rich are going to get more rich, but the people that are creating it are not really going to be the ones that make money on it anymore.
It's kind of lame that they're doing that, but it's like a rich man's game.
ian smith
Well, it's what happens when government starts getting involved in these things.
You know, crypto was, at least from my understanding, the The separation between government oversight and regulation and money.
And now we're watching governments adopt it.
We may provoke one of the world's largest countries to adopt it.
ian crossland
It may be inevitable, actually.
I was thinking of the bastion of freedom in the United States that's now invaded and enslaved Iraqis for 20 years.
It would be the pressure that would push a country to develop some sort of more free, equitable currency.
tim pool
When I saw the news about, you know, Ukraine saying we want to ban from from SWIFT, Kiev saying we want to ban from SWIFT, when I saw Boris Johnson saying it, I immediately bought Bitcoin.
Immediately.
That's just me.
I'm not giving anybody advice.
I bought it.
And then right after I did, I was in the dip because it dropped when the chaos happened and then spiked again.
And I was in the dip and it spiked.
And I was like, all right, that's good for me, I guess.
But you know what I'm thinking?
If they do ban, look, they're already sanctioning these banks.
These banks can already circumvent that by using Bitcoin right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian smith
So what does that sanction mean?
tim pool
Sanctions are meaningless.
But if they kick them off swift, I think Bitcoin through the roof.
Because Russia's going to be like, buy it up.
ian smith
And what does China do at that point?
tim pool
Buy it up.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
ian smith
After they've already taken this hard stance against, you know, kind of crypto.
I guess they've taken a hard stance against people owning crypto, but I'm sure they have no problem buying it up themselves.
tim pool
No, they do that as a game.
They put out these bans so they can strike the price down because people panic and they can buy it back up.
You know what might happen?
I don't know if it will.
We kick Russia off SWIFT.
Russia says, we're going to use Bitcoin to back our transactions and handle our international trade.
China says, hey Russia, we're in it with you.
We want your help on Taiwan.
Both Russia and China don't like the petrodollar anyway.
They say, okay, you don't want to trade oil.
You don't want us to get access to your markets.
We're going to cut you off from our energy production and we're going to buy in crypto or Bitcoin or other currencies.
You can't do nothing about it at this point.
It could precipitate the end of the US dollar.
ian smith
Absolutely.
We're watching it slowly just decline at this point, but that would be an overnight death to the dollar.
tim pool
Not to mention gas prices already skyrocketing.
What are they saying?
Four bucks a gallon is coming?
We're getting close.
Now with the sanctions and the conflict, Russia is going to be pushing back, being like, you don't get our oil.
If we can't trade on your systems, we don't give you the oil.
We're going to keep it for ourselves.
ian smith
And I bet you Joe Biden doesn't even consider opening our national pipelines.
tim pool
Oh no, he's shutting him down.
There was a, he recently, recently there was news, I should try, I'll try and find it in a second, recently issued a ban on producing natural gas in the United States.
Another one.
unidentified
Why?
I don't know, man.
ian smith
The little Swedish girl.
unidentified
Why, why, no, no, why are they taking- Seriously, green guilt.
ian smith
It's green guilt.
tim pool
It's this hijacked idea.
Why are they taking CBP from our southern border to go to Poland The policy is, is to gut this country.
Either because they're morons or they're laughing all the way down.
ian crossland
It's gotta be.
ian smith
I believe the latter.
I really do.
At this point, you can't be, you know, you hear people all the time.
Oh, Joe Budden, he's so stupid.
And you know, come on.
I don't believe these people are that stupid.
You don't get to that position in life being an idiot.
ian crossland
He's good at following orders.
That's for sure.
ian smith
Sure, but you can't be making this many mistakes.
They've made too many mistakes at this point for it to be stupidity.
Yeah, I think... You're gutting this country from the inside.
ian crossland
I think corporations, including the federal... Just take it one issue at a time.
ian smith
Look at the southern border and work your way up from there.
What comes across the southern border?
Illegals, you know, people... nobody vetted.
Fentanyl.
Fentanyl.
The number one killer of the ages between, what, 18 and 35 right now is fentanyl.
Where does that come from?
It comes from China.
You know, look at our supply chain, look at our energy production, look at the value of our dollar.
All of these things are moving in the wrong direction, and they are all the result of policy created by our own government.
None of these things are happening to us because of outside influence.
Yeah, sure, China is shipping drugs, but we have a responsibility to protect our own border.
We're not doing any of these things, and all of the problems that we're facing today as a society, as an American society, are self-inflicted.
By our own government.
Moving border agents to Poland when we have a clear crisis at the border is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
tim pool
How about this one for you?
From AmericanPress.com, Biden halts all new oil and gas leases.
From Wednesday, February 23, 2022, reported by the AP, the Biden administration is delaying decisions on all new oil and gas drilling on federal land and other energy-related actions after a federal court blocked the way officials were calculating the real-world cost of climate change.
What were you just saying?
Green guilt?
ian smith
Green guilt!
It's a hijacked idea.
Nobody, I don't think at this point, denies the fact that humans have an influence on the climate around them.
But this idea that everything we do has to be renewable and this and that, it's a ruse to undermine all of these things that make us fiercely independent.
This country can depend on itself.
We have everything that we're a unique country.
We have everything that we need within our borders to be completely self-reliant and somehow we are not.
tim pool
I think we're missing lithium.
We're on the verge.
We are facing down full-scale ground war in Europe.
Like, there is legitimately a ground war.
In Europe right now, the most significant we've seen since World War II.
And we're halting oil and gas production domestically.
And Biden's like, Oil and gas, we don't need it.
ian smith
That should be something he rubber stamps at this point.
Until further notice.
You have a conflict on the horizon, ramp up the machines at home and get ready to at least, at the very least, flex your muscles.
Biden's gonna look at Joe Biden flexing his muscles and laugh.
Excuse me.
tim pool
Biden might be looking in the mirror and laughing.
I gotta say something that's probably controversial, you know, and it's gonna make a lot of people angry.
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
But Donald Trump was a better president than Joe Biden.
lydia smith
But there are no mean tweets.
tim pool
That's right.
I thought about it, I thought about it, and I was thinking maybe the mean tweets were worth it.
lydia smith
Maybe it was, yeah.
tim pool
Energy independence.
ian smith
There are a lot of things that I disagree with Donald Trump on, but he is unequivocally a better and stronger, and I think stronger is really...
in terms of this topic an important characteristic. He is a stronger president. He projects strength
in a way that Joe Biden I don't think ever could, nor Kamala Harris or nor really anybody on that
tim pool
roster on that side. I got to get a little real with it. It's not hard to be better than Joe Biden.
ian crossland
No, no, no. We're not setting the bar. I thought Trump was great about not falling for this kind
of global agenda of corporatization.
He got us out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership within two weeks of coming into office.
He saw the danger of allowing our citizens to be sued by corporations because they didn't want to discriminate.
They didn't want to buy Malaysian oil.
We're sovereign citizens.
We don't have to bow to a corporation.
That was early on World Economic Forum stuff.
Um, and I think that what's happening is that there are corporate powers that are putting countries against each other so that they fight and then they can fall apart and be like, Hey, see, national governments don't work anymore.
Let us come in and say, I told you guys this before the show, let us come in and save you with our corporate benevolence.
tim pool
I want to follow this story from the AP.
Biden halts oil gas leases amid legal fight on climate costs.
Russia just invaded, and this is February 22nd.
When they were screaming, Russia was going to invade Kiev.
ian smith
We're talking about climate cost.
tim pool
And he was like, well, you know that little Swedish girl yelled at me, so I think, cut off the power.
I just, I'm flabbergasted at the people who voted for this man.
ian smith
Even with this stuff.
What, what, beyond the headline, because it sounds, it sounds nice to your, you know,
to your bleeding heart, you know, social justice warrior.
What does climate cost actually mean in, in, in that discussion?
ian crossland
I think the assumption is that too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is going to cause a greenhouse effect, which is going to cause superheating.
ian smith
That's the worry.
We should be worried about the shorelines disappearing more than we should about a possible European invasion from Russia.
That's the calculus that we're doing.
ian crossland
Potential invasions are preeminent and forefront, I think.
You should not be focusing on how bad things could get, but how to fix the problem, which is the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
tim pool
I just gotta step in and say, we've got the potential for total nuclear annihilation in the immediate, but we're looking at that clock about climate change.
ian crossland
You want to talk about environmental danger?
A nuclear bomb going off in the atmosphere?
ian smith
Exactly.
ian crossland
It's like 10 million years of this stuff.
ian smith
Those two words are essentially meaningless.
Climate cost.
It's I'm right meaningless.
ian crossland
It's you know, the American military is like the biggest polluter in the world the amount of crap it dumps into the oceans with its Navy is And its army is like it as a core if it was a corporation, it would be the largest polluter on earth I'm sure probably is and and we're we're not even high.
ian smith
We're not even up there on the list of of The people that we're talking about in this discussion, Russia, China, all these are polluters of the world.
These are people who don't buy this climate cost nonsense.
And granted, China does a lot of things wrong.
There's no acceptance of the way that they do things coming from me.
But we are worrying about climate cost when these people are worrying about taking over entire countries.
tim pool
It's like what Ben Shapiro was saying.
We're like, we're going to sanction you and then you can't use the bank.
And Putin's like, I want to rebuild the empire and I'll kill anyone to get my way.
ian smith
Exactly.
We're not even having the same discussion.
ian crossland
But you can't buy that car.
We want to make sure there's a bow on it before you do it.
And he's like, smashes the wall out of the way.
And it's like, come on.
tim pool
I saw this story.
unidentified
I saw this.
tim pool
I saw this story the other day.
And I'm like, my immediate thought process was shut down the show.
Shut down all the work we're doing.
Tim Cass is over.
I'm gonna go buy a coconut, sit back, put my sunglasses on, put my feet up, and be like, it was fun while it lasted.
It's time to milk as much time as we got left, because baby, we are going downhill from here.
ian smith
This is absurd.
Our priorities are, and again, it's not to say that these things are not important, because I'm not one to just spit into the wind, because that's what you're doing when you're ignoring Uh, the effects that you do have on the climate.
However, we need to have some prioritization of, of what is important and what is not important.
And, and we're, we've got it seemingly completely upside down.
tim pool
People are going to vote for the Democrats.
Just, I'm just, in November, there's going to be a midterm and it's going to be close.
The Democrats could even win.
I just, I just, if, if you, if you show this article to someone and you're like Russia invaded Ukraine, Biden decides to stop producing oil and gas.
I'm just, how are you the party of Vladimir Putin is an existential threat and Trump was colluding with them.
And also, let's shut down our energy production.
It's like the people who are like, we don't like the government has all the guns.
Let's ban all the guns.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Except for the government.
ian smith
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Well, I'm just, I'm so ready.
ian smith
That's kind of par for the course at this point, you know, coming, coming from that side, you know, it's, it's the, it's the, the movement of doublethink and, and mental gymnastics, because somehow to these people, when they go to the ballot box, it makes sense to them.
tim pool
I'm going to buy a machete and a bunch of coconuts and I'm going to sit downstairs and I'm just going to machete open those coconuts and drop a straw in there and be like, I'm, I'm, I'm done.
lydia smith
Well, before you do that, I have to say, I will say that I've not seen the term climate cost before, and that is really interesting to me because it is super vague.
It strikes me a little bit as... Yeah, how's that calculated?
It strikes me as anti-racism.
This is one of the nebulous goals that Black Lives Matter is fighting for.
What is climate cost?
So if we achieve this goal, what is the goal?
ian smith
Is there an equation?
ian crossland
The opportunity cost of loss of like the climate getting hotter?
lydia smith
Who's calculating this?
ian crossland
Exactly.
And they're linear calculations.
They're not accounting for change in the progression.
So if you develop a new technology that can recover the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and turn it into graphene, it dramatically changes the direction of our models.
ian smith
And I think it's been clearly shown, at least to my understanding, that of all the things that we can factor in to climate cost and climate change, we're only accounting for a quarter of the things that actually come into play.
So this equation that we're basing domestic policy on is Not a very good one.
ian crossland
Yeah.
An asteroid could completely annihilate the surface.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's climate change.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian smith
It's just, it's, you know, it, again, you, you have to prioritize and this is, this is, this is pure, uh, this is, this is par for the course of what we're seeing.
You know, what do, what do we prioritize at home?
We're prioritizing, you know, all of these ludicrous agendas.
Meanwhile, our country is legitimately falling apart from the inside.
tim pool
I can't imagine that the U.S.
can survive something as insane as this.
I mean, we're talking about our energy infrastructure, and we're not just talking about that.
We're talking about that plus war.
When you're a country that cannot put aside, you know, long-term climate goals to deal with present emergencies, existential crises, You're doomed.
I mean, it's like the United States is looking at Russia and they're like, we would rather die than pollute the air.
ian smith
That's essentially what that headline reads.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
It is so strange to me that people who can't ever think past stage one are now thinking so far into the future that they can't look at an actual possible nuclear war and be like, oh, maybe we should put this on the back burner for Maybe a month or two while we figure out.
ian smith
Just a little while.
lydia smith
Yeah, just like an actual.
ian smith
Just turn them on until we get this situation under control and then we can resume that less important discussion.
lydia smith
Yes, I can't believe that.
tim pool
Yo, I don't know man, what's going to happen?
Aliens are going to invade and then force humans.
unidentified
Yes, please.
ian smith
Save us.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, I think save us.
The solution is meditation, is prayer and meditation.
tim pool
I don't know, I heard.
ian smith
Thoughts for Ukraine?
Prayers for Ukraine?
ian crossland
Yeah, and then silent mind.
You do the prayer of healthy or whatever you want to pray and then Absence of thought for as long as you want.
tim pool
Alex Jones told me that if you do DMT, you can speak to the machine elves who will grant you the secrets of the universe.
So maybe they're going to help save all of us from whatever this stupidity is.
ian crossland
I'm trying to find a conventional way to fix it.
It just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and worse and infected and more black mold.
It's got to be some psychoactive solution.
tim pool
No, there's rumors already that they've already been shuffling out prominent, high-profile political figures into bunkers.
I don't know if that's true or not.
ian smith
In Ukraine?
tim pool
No, no, in the United States.
ian smith
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know if it's true.
ian crossland
Trudeau ran away from truckers, so maybe I'm not surprised.
tim pool
Perhaps, but there's rumors going around that some flights have left and they're going to areas with underground bunkers.
I don't know if it's true.
Maybe it's not true.
ian crossland
I hope it's true.
If we're literally on the verge of potential chaos, we need our political leaders.
tim pool
War is happening.
unidentified
Do we?
ian crossland
I know, I hate saying that out loud, but yeah, we do.
tim pool
We as an American citizen.
I'm not talking about our president or anything like that.
I'm talking about just prominent, high-profile individuals getting ready for war.
And no, if our leaders aren't going to bunkers, it's a good thing.
You don't want your king standing out in the field just waving, like, I'm the king!
I'm in charge here!
ian smith
I wouldn't mind Joe Biden standing out in the middle of the field right now.
ian crossland
At this point, I was wondering, is Kamala Harris a more competent leader?
tim pool
Could you imagine Joe Biden on horseback, like, leading the charge?
unidentified
No.
lydia smith
Can't.
ian crossland
That'd be cool.
lydia smith
He wouldn't be able to get up.
unidentified
That'd be wild.
ian crossland
They tie him to the horse.
tim pool
They used to do that.
ian smith
Weekend at Bernie's.
tim pool
I gotta do this, you guys.
I have to talk about this, man.
ian smith
Oh, the garbage, yes.
lydia smith
The garbage.
tim pool
I have to talk to you about a man named Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks and I don't want to because he's just a pundit.
But when we're dealing with an internal conflict that is effectively an existential threat, you need to understand the sentiment that exists among some of these individuals on the establishment side.
Cenk Uygur tweets, right-wing doesn't love Putin just because he is an authoritarian tyrannical leader.
They love him because he's a white authoritarian leader.
Race has become more important than even nationality.
They've turned on democracy and now even America in favor of a white warlord.
This may be one of the most insane things I've ever read.
Nowhere in these incoherent ramblings was there even a semblance of a thought.
Yet this man has millions of followers and does actually have influence over a large portion of the political discourse in this country.
Joe Biden is an old white man who is leading the empire of the United States.
According to the Young Turks themselves and many of the left, the U.S.
is the empire, is the fascist empire.
So is Joe Biden not a white, tyrannical authoritarian?
Apparently not.
Apparently it's Putin.
But please show me where right-wing individuals are cheering for what Putin is doing.
Cenk Uygur highlights Tucker Carlson, saying it proves him right.
Because Tucker explained what Putin's mentality was.
That's it.
ian smith
And I think that's important to understand.
unidentified
Right.
ian smith
Is it not?
It is.
When dealing with who is right now your enemy, is it not good to understand the mentality that they have?
ian crossland
It's necessary.
ian smith
To perhaps come to some sort of solution.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's this typical rhetoric today where you don't even attempt to understand the other side.
This is insane.
You just declare that they are wrong and hate them.
ian crossland
Yeah, I would like to understand Putin's side.
I'm not like, yay, I wish he was my leader, but I think as a general goes, if I was playing a video game and I wanted to put a guy in command of my military, I'd pick him over Biden or Xi Jinping, who both are bureaucrats, This guy's got, like, military experience.
He's ex-KGB.
He's cold as ice.
He doesn't show emotion on his face.
He's a good commander.
Now, ethically, that's a whole other discussion.
And we have different—Russia and the United States come from different places, and we have different ethics and morals.
That's another conversation.
But I have that appreciation for the guy, for his abilities.
tim pool
But, you know, just bringing it back to what the U.S.
is facing.
ian crossland
But it's not because he's white and what Cenk Uygur said is completely racist.
tim pool
It's not just that.
I don't care.
There's no substance here.
It doesn't matter the ideas he's trying to convey.
What matters is that he's just not well.
He's a not well person.
ian smith
It's white people attacking white people.
ian crossland
It's really disturbing.
ian smith
You know, what does this have to do with race?
This is typical, again, talking about priorities of the American mindset.
This is what we're worried about.
We're worried about white authoritarian leaders.
How about just the fact that people are dying?
ian crossland
The Young Turks was a genocidal group of Turks in the early 1900s led by Enver Pasha that basically created the Armenian Genocide.
tim pool
It's basically they did.
ian crossland
Why would he name his company the Young Turks?
tim pool
And why won't he change the name?
ian crossland
Yeah, check.
Dude, why?
I just want to know why.
It's a cool sounding name, I guess.
tim pool
No, listen.
unidentified
Listen.
No.
tim pool
It's because... Look, man.
I don't want to be overly reductive.
Here's a guy spouting that they love Putin.
I certainly don't love Putin.
I don't know.
So, you know, I'm not going to assume he's talking about me.
I'm not right-wing, right?
unidentified
He's not talking about me.
ian crossland
I can respect an enemy without being in love with the guy.
tim pool
Cenk calls me right-wing whenever they do segments about me.
Certainly, whatever that means, fine.
But to imply that I am involved in any kind of love for Putin is psychotic.
Cenk Uygur doesn't... I don't think he reads.
I don't think he pays attention.
And I think he actually... Look, I'm going to come out and say it.
He named his organization the Young Turks, a genocidal group of people.
He even denied the existence of the Armenian genocide until I think like 10 years ago or something like that.
So even while he had the Young Turks, he's like, it never happened or something like that.
And then he apologizes for it.
I can respect the apology for it 100%.
Bro, change the name of your organization.
It's like, this is something that comes up all the time.
But this dude has the nerve to come out and claim the right loves Putin because he's an authoritarian tyrannical leader.
Dude literally names his organization after people who carried out a genocide and refuses, refuses to change its name.
Dude, don't get your moral lessons from these people.
This tweet should be enough to know this dude's lost his mind.
ian smith
And this is coming from the authoritarian left.
I mean, These are the same people that champion Antifa, you know, and exactly.
It's such cognitive dissonance.
They're talking about authoritarian leaders.
What have we been experiencing over the past two years with mandates?
These people have championed rule by mandate sort of governing.
tim pool
Rule by decree.
ian crossland
Does Cenk support that?
I haven't really followed that.
ian smith
He doesn't talk highly of Antifa.
Well, I would go ahead and bet heavily.
I would do.
Yeah, I would go ahead and bet heavily that he was pro lockdown, that he was
probably pro vaccine mandate and all of that.
And if I'm if I'm wrong, correct me.
But coming from that portion of the left, these are people that love, love big government.
tim pool
Look at this tweet he's got.
ian smith
When it caters to them.
tim pool
You know, look, I hate to talk about him because he needs this kind of attention.
He doesn't nearly get as much attention as he used to or whatever.
He says, I'm sure the fake left in America, Tulsi Gabbard, etc., who are still pretending to be progressive, are livid about this attack on civil rights, let alone Putin's unmitigated imperialism.
I'm sure those pundits and award-winning journalists are speaking out forcefully, right?
Yes, Russia arresting protesters is wrong.
100%.
What world does this man live in or his followers that they think the right likes Putin because he's a white tyrannical leader and that they're happy he's arresting people?
This is a fabricated reality.
It doesn't exist.
ian smith
Yeah, where where where's the evidence that that that thought even has been put out there by anybody credible that represents the right?
ian crossland
I really don't like assumptions in general.
ian smith
I mean, that's just one of those things where it's like, at least show me a tweet from somebody who's got as many followers as you do that has that has said like, yeah, Putin, go get them.
Exactly.
It's I mean, it's these people love creating enemies where there there is none and boogeyman's where there are none.
ian crossland
It's The weird thing is, it's like you said, these people.
Cenk changed.
He's the same guy, but different behavior.
He used to be real anti-war.
Right now, he'd be talking about Iraq if it was 2007, and how we are the reason that other countries are invading.
I know he knows that, but to get hung up on this crap, man.
tim pool
And he's just doubled down and gone crazy with it.
Cenk, come back to me, baby.
Obviously what he said was insane.
Obviously the right is not cheering for protesters being arrested who are opposing this.
Obviously they're not out there supporting Putin.
He's trying to make it seem like because Tucker Carlson says that Putin does not like Western influence in Ukraine, here's the perspective, that it's support of Putin.
But then what happens is a bunch of other American establishment left personalities defend his insane idea for tribal reasons.
Because the right now mocks Cenk Uygur, they're gonna come out and be like, he's right, it's a fact now.
His psychotic statement is now a fact among these leftists.
ian crossland
The battle of cult worship.
ian smith
And ignoring the fact that what Tucker Carlson is saying is a mere fact.
Talking about the fact that Vladimir Putin is hostile towards Western European influence is a fact.
That's not a supporting statement of any kind.
There's no emotion in that statement.
That is a black and white fact.
tim pool
They said he echoed Putin's talking points.
He literally told his audience what Putin said.
ian smith
He's educating.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
tim pool
It's amazing.
ian crossland
Putin's job is to echo talking points, I believe.
tim pool
Putin says that the Ukrainian administration is a Western puppet.
And then Tucker Carlson on his show says, Vladimir Putin views Ukraine as a Western puppet.
In 2014, you know, the ousting of Yanukovych, and they're like, he's echoing his talking points.
Well, how else is he supposed to tell people what's happening in that country?
lydia smith
I feel like this is a step further on the removing the context thing, like what they did with Joe Rogan.
He said the N-word, supposedly, whatever.
They completely removed all context.
He made it seem like he was insulting someone.
So now what they do with Tucker is say he's echoing his talking points just by saying that this is what he said.
He's reporting the news.
He's telling his audience.
ian smith
He's a journalist.
lydia smith
Exactly.
He actually is a journalist.
ian crossland
In fact, that's misleading.
Telling someone someone's talking points is different than echoing them.
lydia smith
Exactly.
ian crossland
Echoing them as claiming that you agree with it and you're repeating it.
ian smith
Exactly.
Echoing would be like, yeah, and I think that's really bad too.
tim pool
I'll put it this way.
The way Tucker explained what was going on, he spoke factually, but it was very much...
There's certain things that are happening in Ukraine that Vladimir Putin has stated, which are easy facts.
Simply by saying, here's a fact of something that happened in Ukraine.
The issue is U.S.
corporate press lies.
They lied about Joe Biden.
They lied about Joe Biden as quid pro quo.
And if you tell the truth on that, you're echoing Putin.
Joe Biden absolutely engaged in illegal quid pro quo.
ian crossland
You're talking about his charisma?
tim pool
And Vladimir Putin sees that and he says, So the prosecutor in the administration is fired because Biden threatened to take away illegally, mind you, aid from the United States?
ian crossland
It's so obviously an American puppet, that country.
tim pool
Well, you're echoing Putin now.
That Zelensky guy.
ian smith
See how that works?
Now, just by observing corruption, you are now in support of Russian agendas.
ian crossland
Technically, I said it first, so the Russian agendas are in support of me because it was my idea.
I saw it coming two years ago, and I claimed it then.
This Zelensky stuff is not... Dude, Biden goes in there.
He basically, I don't know what you would call, browbeated the president to fire a guy that was examining a company that his son was on the board of.
So the president fired the guy.
And then when Biden, that was when Biden was a VP, when he left office after Trump gets in, the guy comes back.
ian smith
He bragged about it.
He bragged about it on stage.
ian crossland
Yeah.
We've talked about this so many times, which is so important to understand.
tim pool
But a video of him doing it!
ian smith
If you say that, then you're echoing, you know, Russian propaganda.
tim pool
I want to, I want to now get into sort of the, um, what's the right word?
Irreverence of the psychosis here.
We have this story.
I don't, I don't know what this is.
Sismacht?
Actress?
Oh, actress is mocked.
unidentified
Geez, proofread your headlines.
tim pool
For uploading a video of herself reading a self-penned poem saying she wishes she'd been Putin's mom so she could have hugged him to stop him turning into a warmonger.
Actress Anna Lynn McCord, 34, posted a bizarre poem online Thursday about her desire to be Putin's mother.
Putin 69 ordered a full scale invasion of Ukraine.
Can I do they have this?
Let's play it because it.
Oh, wait, I got to turn the sound on, don't I?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
We got this.
tim pool
This is going to be you guys ready for this one?
It's still muted.
Okay, here we go.
unidentified
Dear president Vladimir Putin.
I'm so sorry that I was not your mother.
ian crossland
That was when I paused at the first time.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Oh, come on.
The stupid thing's not working.
ian crossland
I was like, this is cringe.
tim pool
It's really quiet anyway.
lydia smith
So cringe.
tim pool
All right, is it gonna work now?
unidentified
Never would the story's plight the world unfurled before our eyes, a pure demise of nations sitting peaceful under a night sky.
All right, all right.
tim pool
We're not gonna listen to this.
unidentified
The problem I have with that is it wasn't genuine.
ian crossland
She wasn't saying it.
She was just reading a poem with, like, cadence to it.
It didn't sound like she actually meant it.
ian smith
I was gonna say, like... That's unbearably cringe.
tim pool
Something is... We have a malignancy in this country of vapid shells of people who do things like this.
Where they're like, I don't know about Ukraine.
I don't care about Russia.
I heard the name Putin in the news.
Let me make a video.
You know what?
Social media was a mistake.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
There are just some people that shouldn't be allowed to post.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
I am kidding, by the way.
That's a joke.
ian smith
They should be censored.
lydia smith
All right.
ian crossland
Maybe minors shouldn't be able to post.
I don't know.
unidentified
She's 34, Ian!
tim pool
She should know better.
ian smith
You look at this.
tim pool
She's half the age of Putin.
ian smith
You look at this and it's...
It's so absurd you don't even know what to start with.
Who is this Hollywood actress and what does she have to do or what does she know about...
tim pool
90210, man.
unidentified
Come on.
tim pool
Don't you know?
ian smith
And what does this poem help?
I mean, this is this is typical, like America, like the toxic American culture where we think like, you know, if enough hearts bleed and we, you know, and we shed enough tears and hashtag hard enough, like we're going to solve world problems like like this is going to come across Vladimir Putin's desk and a tear is going to like, yeah, just a single tear is going to just drop from his like stone stature.
And you know what he's going to say?
Let's pull back.
ian crossland
He's gonna slam the table And I too wish you were my mother I think this this reminds me of There's this like kind of idea like oh If I go back and help Hitler when he was a baby and I give him the kindness he needed to become an artist Maybe you wouldn't have become a psychoactive psychoactive psychological dictator, but I think that's this idea like drugs though Yeah, he was all on amphetamines not stop.
Yeah Just shell shocked from World War One destroyed mind.
This girl, I think, is doing that with Putin.
She's like, oh, if I could have if somehow I could have reached his inner child, that maybe he wouldn't be so vile.
lydia smith
No, I'm very cynical about this.
Have you guys ever heard of this lady's name before in your life?
No, no, no, no.
This person never heard of this lady.
ian smith
No.
lydia smith
Yeah, I haven't either.
Until today.
unidentified
Hey.
ian smith
Look, she's getting it says she was on 90210.
So I guess that makes her somewhat credible.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, she's got like 200,000 followers.
ian crossland
I would imagine right the 90210 reboot.
tim pool
Yeah, I know the original I was your mother you would have been so loved.
Oh man, we are, we are.
ian smith
So they're, they're trying, this is like, this is, uh, this is American, you know, uh, toxic culture trying or Hollywood culture trying to tie this to like toxic masculinity in some way.
tim pool
We're a silly people.
ian smith
And again, look at our priorities.
We're like Putin, like, you know, if you just had a mother, it would be okay.
And it's like, let's not talk about like Look at any of the other factors in this.
unidentified
His mom's like, look at this.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
There's a picture.
They say, although McCord blames the family matriarch, Putin's mother, Maria Shalimova, has been characterized by others as a kind factory worker who secretly baptized him.
Could you imagine, you know, if anything, you know what's going to happen?
Putin's going to be like, what'd you say about my mom?
ian crossland
I understand wanting to emotionally connect with Vladimir Putin right now, and you have the technology to do it, so you may as well try, but don't read a script, man.
A poem that you wrote that you're... Come on, do it genuinely if you're gonna do it, otherwise you're just burning the ground you walk on.
tim pool
It's just, there's so much insanity.
This isn't the only insane thing.
There's this post from a lady and she's like, the only reason that Putin's allowed to wage war is because he's white.
ian smith
I was just trying to find that as we were reading this other headline.
tim pool
If a black or brown man had invaded Ukraine, it would have been swiftly dealt with.
And it's like, what?
ian smith
It would have been allowed, they said.
tim pool
It wouldn't have been allowed.
ian smith
Allowed.
Like, none of this is allowed.
And again, that goes to the, it just goes to highlight how little these people actually understand The gravity and the severity of the situation that is unfolding right before our eyes.
tim pool
These people vote.
ian smith
That's scary.
It is.
It's very scary.
And I think it was Thomas Edison that said the greatest threat to a democracy is an uneducated public.
And we are looking at millions of them at this point.
tim pool
Oh man.
Zombie hordes.
ian smith
You know, people who vote with their emotions.
You know, I'm quite certain that this woman went out and probably voted against Trump because she thought his tweets were mean.
tim pool
Yep, that's exactly it.
That's a good point.
This story of this woman saying, if I was your mother, you'd have been so helped.
It shows the stupidity, the ignorance.
And I would bet a large sum of money she voted Joe Biden.
lydia smith
Oh, for sure.
unidentified
Yeah, I would absolutely bet that.
tim pool
I do.
I cannot imagine.
I mean, who knows?
Maybe she, she, she voted for Trump.
I really doubt it.
It's crazy.
You know, you see these people and they say things like, well, it's a good thing Trump's not president.
And I'm like, but it's bad.
Like the bad thing happened.
ian smith
All of the things that you said were going to happen under Trump are happening right now.
tim pool
The bad things didn't happen under Trump.
unidentified
Exactly.
ian smith
They're all happening now.
tim pool
It's remarkable that they're like, well, if Trump was president, everything would be a whole lot worse.
And it's like, but it wasn't.
You had him as president.
The economy was great.
Putin didn't invade Ukraine.
Biden gets in and then he does within a year.
And you think the issue is Putin would have done it anyway.
And it would have been worse with Trump.
Alright, man.
Some people are just lost.
ian smith
No, I don't think you can even start to reason with that because that's... that's that.
They have already made up their mind, and anything you throw is going to lead them back to their original conclusion no matter what.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian smith
And it comes from just a genuine lack of understanding, I think, to the severity of the situation.
And Lydia, what you were saying earlier about how the less people understood where Ukraine was, the more they wanted intervention.
I guarantee that if you put a globe in front of this young lady here, that she will not be able to find Ukraine.
unidentified
At all.
It's kind of crazy.
ian smith
Probably five guesses, and she probably still would not be able to get it.
tim pool
You could play Wordle with her and say, guess the letters, and she still would be like, what's Ukraine?
It's like, it's pronounced Ukraine.
unidentified
Huh.
tim pool
I thought it was U-C-R-A-N-E.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Close, but not quite.
This is why I'm talking about just buying all those coconuts and sitting back and just macheting them, macheting them open and see that straw in there and just sit back.
I remember the good old days.
I went to Rio once.
Dollar, it's like a buck for a coconut.
Givers are everywhere.
You sit on the beach, you walk right out of your hotel and you sit on the beach and you just get a coconut.
ian smith
Right in Copacabana right there.
tim pool
Have you ever been?
ian smith
Yes.
tim pool
Oh, it's amazing.
ian smith
I went during Carnival.
unidentified
Yes.
ian smith
And they got snacks and food and street food and meat on a stick right in the street.
tim pool
Yep.
ian smith
Yeah.
It's good living.
tim pool
That's what I'm thinking about.
Well, uh, I do have a Brazilian visa.
I'm just thinking, you know, as it all comes crumbling down, maybe, maybe we should spend time with our loved ones and smile.
And, uh, it's like, have you seen the movie?
Don't look up at the end when they're all at the table holding hands.
And it's like the world's about to end.
I'm like, that's kind of how I feel right now.
ian crossland
I know I feel very I made a video last night that I didn't end up uploading because it was so it got so dark like I I want to believe that We're better than animals, but we're just animals.
tim pool
Someone superchatted, she was trying to kill Putin by getting him to die laughing.
Could you imagine if, like, this story comes out that Putin had a stroke, and then, like, there's a photo of him on the ground confirming it, and on his phone is a picture of the woman and a big smile on his face?
And then someone's like, I think he laughed himself into a stroke and died.
The war is over.
ian smith
I think this woman stopped World War III.
unidentified
She actually did it.
ian smith
All it took was one poem.
ian crossland
You know, I wanted to ask you, Ian, about Attila's Gym a little bit before we go to Super Chats.
You guys down?
I don't know.
We haven't talked about it really.
tim pool
Well, we should.
I want to briefly mention just a little bit just what's going on with Taiwan and then it'll be 30 seconds.
So we didn't talk about it all too much, but I just want to make sure we squeeze this in a little bit.
Fox News reports Taiwan warrants Chinese aircraft flying in air defense zone day of Russia-Ukraine invasion.
This is just China being like, you know, we're going to whip it out.
We're going to flap it around because we can.
The U.S.
is in a rough spot.
You're totally distracted.
They do this.
They do it often, the pressing on Taiwan.
But I think this is, um, man, you know, in all seriousness, we could talk about this lady being crazy, but there's there's.
I'm worried about what's going to what's what's coming, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
Well, we get for invading Iraq and not not getting our government out of there, man.
ian smith
Well, it goes goes right along with with what we said earlier.
You know, what do you do?
Do you step in and you step into Ukraine?
unidentified
Right.
ian smith
Do we?
Do we commit X amount of troops there, right?
Just walk through it.
You say you put 50,000 troops there, okay?
Then what happens when the Chinese say, okay, well, we see you have 50,000 troops in Ukraine, and we're gonna put 100,000 on Taiwan?
What's America's next step in that situation?
And how far do our alliances and entanglements go before we say this is not going to end well for anybody, and we're going to step out of this.
But at the same time, how do you just let these things happen?
tim pool
If we're taking our border protection off our own border to go to Poland, China knows we are spread too thin.
ian smith
We've already gone too far.
I would read that exactly the same way if I was in charge of the Chinese military.
ian crossland
Yeah, America's in disarray right now, thank God.
tim pool
But let's find a couple minutes talking about Attilis.
ian crossland
Well, the thing about Taiwan, the last thing I'll say is, in a war game scenario, what do you do with Taiwan if it's invaded?
Do you level it to the ground like scorched earth and like no one can have it?
This is where you make 60% of the world's microchips or processing, like computer software.
You can't give that to your enemy in a war scenario.
You can't.
So it's like blowing up a factory that makes the atom bomb before they take it over.
You can't let them have that factory.
But I've never been to Taiwan.
I don't know the scope and scale of leveling the island to the ground.
tim pool
Why would we do that?
ian crossland
Because if you allow the Chinese to take control of the production... You'd be killing millions of people.
No, no, they would do it systematically before they left the island.
They would blow up all the infrastructure.
ian smith
The Chinese aren't going to let anybody off that island.
tim pool
Bro, millions of people aren't going to blow up their own, you know, homeland and flee.
unidentified
That's a lose-lose situation.
ian smith
And the Chinese probably know that.
The Chinese probably know that if they step into Taiwan, it is a lose-lose scenario for the American military.
What is it going to take to defend Taiwan?
It would take probably a full-scale war.
And that becomes a game of chicken.
China says, hey, we're going to do it.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian smith
And we say, no, you better not.
Well, we're going to do it.
Your border patrol agents are over in Ukraine right now.
You're helpless.
Yeah.
How strong are you?
You know, and if if you're somebody like Taiwan, who is on an aggressive footing.
And you're looking at Joe Biden.
In the way he's handled everything so far, I'm going to call your bluff.
And if that's something that I wanted to do, I wouldn't look at the United States right now as a credible threat to stopping.
tim pool
The Chinese said it straight to, I think it was Anthony Blinken.
They said the U.S.
is not coming from a position of strength.
Yeah.
You know what I was thinking when we were talking about this stuff with the Soviet Union and the United States?
You've got these two jocks on the playground fighting each other, and there's some fat Asian kid, chubby kid in the corner, who's not part of the fight or anything.
Yeah, exactly.
Everyone's older and going to high school and they see the kid for the first time
and he's six foot tall and super ripped and he's like, get out of my way.
ian smith
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
And now the fight between, you know, the Russian kid and the American kid
is getting interesting because the ripped Asian kid is walking up to the Russian guy like,
I got your back, bro.
It's like, oh, yeah.
ian crossland
The Russian guy's like, I'm going to pick you first.
unidentified
And the Chinese guy's like, no, I'm going to pick you first.
ian crossland
Get it?
They want to be the leader.
They want to be the team captain.
tim pool
Somebody mentioned that it's called the dragon bear.
China and Russia.
ian smith
The dragon bear.
It's a horrifying creature.
tim pool
So, like, World War III is what?
The silly nannies versus the dragon bears?
ian crossland
No, it would be corporations versus... I don't think none of those countries... McDonald's?
Nobody really wants it except the corporate drones.
Like, they don't care.
And I mean literally, physical drones, mechanical drones, they don't have any feelings.
And then the people that are locked into the corporate media, they don't care because their emotions are drained.
ian smith
Well, we saw... I don't know if you guys saw the CNN clip where they're...
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Which one?
lydia smith
So there's literal bombing.
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
The air raid sirens.
ian smith
I mean, if, if there's not, if there's not more of a dude, if you've ever seen the movie idiocracy, I mean, that is like, you're like, wow, we are, we are live in part two.
ian crossland
Like they are posted.
ian smith
They're putting Applebee's five for five, you know, uh, happy hour deals.
It's the most right over top of.
Literal bombing footage.
ian crossland
This is great.
And in the worst way.
This is not great.
ian smith
There it is, yeah, right there.
tim pool
You guys ready?
Wait, wait, I'm gonna start it over.
ian crossland
This is from CNN.
tim pool
Here we go, here we go.
unidentified
19 seconds long.
I'm gonna go get my stuff.
No beer on a Friday night.
lydia smith
Apparently something just happened.
tim pool
I gotta admit though, the air raid sirens lead up very well to the start of that song.
ian crossland
Then they drop the beat.
tim pool
And then when I heard it, I was like, I'm watching these air raid sirens and I'm like, this is the end.
But a cold beer on a Friday night sounds pretty good.
ian crossland
And most Americans probably had a similar experience to that, terrifyingly.
ian smith
It's like war, brought to you by Applebee's.
ian crossland
Oh, war till Friday, then I get to have my beer and my chicken wings.
tim pool
Like, dude, why would they?
You know someone pressed the button?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, so when we do live stream, there's a button on YouTube where I can turn an ad on.
We never do it, but you can click it and then, you know, a certain amount of people who are watching see an ad.
It's pointless to do.
Someone at CNN.
ian smith
It was like, now.
unidentified
It's my last day.
lydia smith
Here I go.
tim pool
No, they were probably like, they were like, this kind of, this kind of jams.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I love this song.
tim pool
They're like, cause, cause they have like a, I think they have like a, they have a switcher.
So there, someone heard the air raid sirens and then was like, they're like waiting for it.
ian crossland
They got turntables.
tim pool
Yeah, bring it up.
And then you have that, like that dude doing the weird butt shuffle.
It's like, this is the weirdest thing.
unidentified
And it's still showing the, the air raids.
ian crossland
Wow.
That is, that is American idiocracy.
Yup.
unidentified
It is.
ian smith
It's, I mean, that's, I remember watching that movie 10, 15 years ago.
And laughing at it because, like, that's so absurd.
And it's like, wow, well that's, you know, the only thing they need, like, next is a commercial about, like, you know, electrolytes.
unidentified
I actually, I like Applebee's.
tim pool
They got good, they got good wings.
ian crossland
I don't know how they, what they fry stuff in, that's my only concern.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, I never, I didn't like Applebee's, I went to- I'm sure it's probably not good, whatever it is.
I went to an Applebee's, I got sick.
And the food was awful, I was like, I'm never coming here again.
ian crossland
Or Applebee's, I think they called it.
tim pool
We were ordering, and they have this trick where you go on Grubhub.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And it was called something, I can't remember, it was like Libby's Barbecue or something, I can't remember.
And then I was like, oh, no, no, no.
It was like kitchen wings.
And then I was like, we're going to order wings and sauce.
And so I ordered a bunch of wings.
And when it came, it came in Applebee's bags.
And I was like, they tricked me.
They create fake restaurants that serve only a certain thing so that people who are like, I don't want Applebee's, I want wings, will still buy from Applebee's.
And then I was like, it's actually pretty good.
And so now we just straight order from Applebee's sometimes.
It's the old bait and switch.
ian crossland
Applebee's cheese sticks.
Before I got into health consciousness, I loved Applebee's.
tim pool
Are they the ones who have the coconut shrimp?
Cause that's really good too.
ian smith
I worked there like years and years and years ago as like a teenager.
I'm sure it's probably still on the menu.
ian crossland
What was your position?
ian smith
Server.
ian crossland
Oh, nice.
Before you were 18?
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
We also order from Ruby Tuesdays.
We, we live, we live kind of in the middle of nowhere.
So we have like, we have few options, you know, it's like either pick up from a local pizzeria or something, or you can order from like these medium sized chains.
ian crossland
Can you give us a brief update on Attellus?
Because we're about to go to Super Chats.
tim pool
We've got about a minute.
ian smith
Yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
What's the status?
ian smith
We are still open.
We just actually passed 365,000 registered visits to the facility.
We still have a voluntary contact tracing system in place.
We put that in place originally just so that nobody could say, hey, you're spreading coronavirus.
And to date, we've had no outbreaks linked to the facility.
We have a storage unit full of 365,000 slips of paper.
unidentified
Dang!
ian smith
Just to prove a point.
But we're open every day.
We have no less than 500 healthy, happy people coming through.
We're still in the court system.
We have an appeals process going on with all of the fines and the hundreds of thousands of dollars that they fined us.
We have an appeal process going on to sue the township so that we can get our business license back because we shut down our billing in March of 2020 and have not resumed it since.
And then we're finally getting to a municipal court that was kicked down the road for two years because of COVID and that's where we can actually bring forth like legitimate arguments about constitutional violations and things of the sort.
We've been narrowed to very, um, very narrow scopes of argument, um, being caught with court orders and stuff like that.
And we also just pled guilty to criminal contempt of court for the heinous crime of taking our doors off of the hinges.
And we got one year of probation for that.
tim pool
What do you mean by we?
Like your store or you?
ian smith
Me and my business partner.
Wow.
Yeah.
ian crossland
The company got charged or you guys get it?
ian smith
No, individually, we got charged.
They pierced through the LLC for all of this.
So we're all we're personally liable for the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars of fines.
ian crossland
And they brought criminal citations against both Frank and I. To give context, Attila, you guys basically right when COVID came out and they started putting lockdowns and shutdowns, you guys just basically said no?
We're staying open?
ian smith
Two months in, we reopened.
Day three or four is when we decided that we were going to reopen, but we took our time over the next like six weeks.
to develop a very comprehensive safety protocol program because we knew that we were going to get pushback.
And we didn't want to just open just to, you know, just to open recklessly.
You know, we wanted to open because at the time, we truly believed that COVID was a credible threat, but that there could be some sort of happy medium between shutting the world down and mitigating, you know, the spread of COVID.
So we opened two months after, in May of 2020, and we've been open ever since, no matter what they did.
tim pool
Right on.
Let's go to Super Chats, though.
If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends.
Head over to TimCast.com.
We're going to have a members-only segment coming up for you around 11 or so p.m.
We're going to be talking about conspiracy theories, about why Vladimir Putin really attacked.
It'll be interesting.
It has something to do with biolabs.
You'll want to check this one out.
But let's get into the Super Chats for now.
Get your Super Chats in now, and we'll try and read as many as we can.
All right.
LaParty says, I don't know how Alex Jones does it, but he called it again.
Check out the video from Memology101.
He was right again.
All right.
I love looking at it.
ian crossland
This might be a video I think I saw from last October where Alex was like, uh, apparently my sources are telling me there's going to be some sort of military war conflict in February.
Really?
This is from my sources.
ian smith
He tends to be proven right behind.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is awesome.
ian smith
He's got a pretty good track record over time of being right ahead of the curve.
ian crossland
I think he knows a lot of the right people.
tim pool
There's a lot of noise in there.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
You know, a lot of stuff he says is noise.
ian smith
Well, when you throw a lot of, you know, crap at the wall, you know, some of it will stick, but I think he's been right on some pretty important things, you know, along the way.
tim pool
Ryan Johnston says, as much as I despise the administration, I will go back into the USMC if we have World War III, because it is the best hope for the survival of the Constitution.
My life is swore to the Constitution.
unidentified
Right on.
ian smith
I respect that tremendously.
That's a scary thing to sign up for.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian smith
Willingly.
tim pool
This is when Zelensky got put into office?
Is that 2014?
I don't know if it was Zelensky.
Was it Zelensky or was it... I don't know.
Check that out.
coup d'etat in 2014 and encouraging them to antagonize Russia and become a nuclear NATO
member, Russia could not permit that.
There was a, call it a coup, but the president was removed.
ian crossland
This is when Zelensky got put into office?
tim pool
I don't know if it was Zelensky.
Was it Zelensky or was it...
Check that out.
Who was it?
unidentified
I don't remember.
tim pool
2014.
Might have been.
Was it Poroshenko or was he?
ian smith
I'm not sure.
tim pool
I don't know.
But Yanukovych was ousted and he was the president of the country.
KT Sky says, you are always wrong.
Ian is always right.
Oh, well, there you go.
ian crossland
Only Sith deals in absolutes.
unidentified
Okay, let's grab some more super chats here.
tim pool
Grand Kai says, didn't Biden give a list to Putin of infrastructure not to attack after one meeting?
Could this whole thing be planned with China and Russia, given all the connection between them and the elites?
No, I don't know.
That sounds ridiculous because, you know, Putin's, he's too headstrong.
He's too into himself.
I really doubt it.
But Biden giving a list of things not to attack was like just pathetic diplomacy, where he was like, all right, if you do attack us, just don't do these.
And everyone's like, did you just give him a list of critical infrastructure to attack?
ian smith
That's kind of what that is.
Again, that's going back to that idea that we shouldn't really be talking open strategy or weaknesses in our mainstream media.
We should kind of keep that stuff under wraps.
ian crossland
Arseniy Yatsenyuk was the interim governor for Ukraine after the revolution.
Petro Poroshenko became the president.
Yeah, he was governing until Poroshenko became president.
tim pool
All right, Mr. Slendy says, these aren't goat farmer militias in the desert.
Anyone who has been spoiled by the proxy wars on the other side of the world, wake up.
These are enemies who can reach out and touch us with fire and death.
Yikes, man, that's true.
Very true.
Alex Law says, all Russia has to do is turn off the gas supply to Europe if anyone, including the US, retaliates in any way.
unidentified
That's right.
Yep.
tim pool
That is true and correct and scary.
lydia smith
They are beholden.
tim pool
Wow, man.
ian smith
It's not like we're going to come in and subsidize that in any way.
tim pool
That's a secret room at Grand Central.
Room 34.
No, I don't think that's true.
Is that what it's called?
Is that what it's called?
He seems like he knows what he's talking about.
Interesting that's a secret room what they call room 134 room 34. No, I don't think that's true. Is that is that
what's called?
unidentified
That's cool, though. That's a Is that real
Room 34?
No.
ian crossland
Not seeing it.
I think it's a quick search.
unidentified
Oh!
ian crossland
Inside the secret life of New York's Grand Central.
ian smith
Is that what it is?
ian crossland
Maybe, yeah.
Architecturaldigest.com.
tim pool
I think I read it in the New York Times.
ian crossland
Ooh, Grand Central is amazing.
And we were talking about having, privatizing the train tracks or like having, not privatizing, giving naming rights.
tim pool
Naming rights to the infrastructure.
ian crossland
And having like Amazon and FedEx bring, create like hubs in the city and then overhaul and maintain all the tracks.
Be cool to have a big Grand Central like shopping mall, I think, at Grand Central.
That'd be really cool.
tim pool
All right, Alex Hilbert says, Hey Tim, I'm a paratrooper in the 82nd that works in an S2 shop.
Intelligence, I appreciate your attention to detail and I have to say, keep up the good work.
Ian, keep rolling 20s.
Hey, thanks man.
I really appreciate it.
I mean, look, I read a lot of different news sources and I try and, you know, when claims are made, I try and find alternate sources and I try and find root sources to make sure that I'm getting the real legit information.
And, when a lot of the information is based off of videos on Twitter, it's like, how do you really confirm it?
Like, when someone posts a video of a tank rolling in, I'm like, how do I know that's Russia?
ian smith
Yeah, you don't even know where that is, just because it says that.
ian crossland
Luke tweeted out, like, airplanes flying overhead, and it was like the Russian invasion has commenced, and people in the comments were like, this is from a year ago, this is like a flying exercise.
tim pool
We, we, you know, this morning when I woke up, I heard quite a bit of air traffic.
We're really, we're really close to DC out here.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
And so there were some helicopters and some other, you know, flights.
Sometimes we see Ospreys.
It's cool.
You ever see those where like they have the props that can turn up and go forward?
Yeah, those are cool.
Yeah, I wonder where they're going.
But, you know, DC's nearby.
Plus, we got Mount Weather right over here.
I told Luke that he needs to get out of Florida.
I was like, you don't want to be in Florida right now, because it's a peninsula.
And, you know, I don't know what's going to happen, but if you're concerned about this escalating, Florida's not a good place to be.
And he's like, you're right next to Mount Weather, which is like the emergency bunker.
And I'm like, I didn't say we were in a good spot!
ian smith
We just have better ways to exit.
tim pool
Well, no, but I'm just saying, like, Florida's not a good place to be if you think war's coming.
All right, James Rogers says, Tim, I really wish you'd stop pushing this narrative that we're all going to war.
All we will do is push sanctions and give aid.
Russia is manufacturing a false narrative, and your hatred of Biden is making you fall for it.
Stop.
I actually gave credit to Biden.
I think, James, you might have an optimism bias or a normalcy bias.
I actually said I don't blame Biden for everything that's going on.
No.
I think Vladimir Putin's exploiting a situation he's long wanted to pursue.
I think a lot of the problems we've been facing with inflation is easily attributable to COVID, but I think Joe Biden's did a bad job as well.
ian smith
Yeah, and when it comes to the situation in Ukraine, Biden isn't entirely at fault.
He's mishandling the situation, but a lot of the restrictions and the things you have to take into account are from years and years of foreign policy.
You know, so he's even if he's making the wrong choices, he's operating on a playing field that he didn't necessarily lay out in front of him.
So is it his fault entirely?
No, but he's the one steering the ship.
So I think that we should be looking towards him to make the best decisions that he can given the set of circumstances in front of him.
tim pool
And on top of that, I just want to point out, I mean, when have we talked about stripping out a nuclear power from the SWIFT payment system?
Or the U.S.
directly attacking Russia?
This is not... We're not talking about Afghanistan or Iraq.
This is not proxy wars.
This is not Syria.
This is the U.S.
unidentified
being like, yeah, we'll... These are two superpowers butting heads.
tim pool
Is Russia a superpower?
I guess they are.
They still are.
They got nukes.
Their GDP is nowhere near, you know, the U.S.
and China, but... Size of Florida.
Size of Florida?
unidentified
Ha!
tim pool
Yeah.
See, that's why Putin's mad.
Because he used to be a bully on the playground.
ian smith
He keeps rolling through Eastern Europe.
You know, he's going to have a little bit more in that armory.
And when you have China, who has clearly backed him already, I mean, that doesn't matter so much that he's got a small, smaller GDP.
ian crossland
Also, if you're calculating GDP, if they've got a trillion GDP in fiat, you've got a trillion GDP in Bitcoin.
Your Bitcoin trillion is worth a lot more than that trillion in fiat if you measure the calculate the way the fiat is headed inflation wise.
So GDP may look small on paper, but it might be better currency.
tim pool
All right, Keegan Mooney says, fourth attempt this week.
In the immortal words of Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, watch Attack on Titan.
Real quote, real life parallels are only getting realer.
Really?
I've only seen a little bit of Attack on Titan.
I should check it out.
ian crossland
It's where they fight the Giants?
tim pool
Yeah, the Titans.
ian crossland
The movie shows wild.
tim pool
And they've got these weird things on their hips that have like that fire cable so they can launch themselves in the air.
ian crossland
Really disturbing art.
Worth seeing.
Just put your eyes on it to see the art.
It's really weird.
Really crazy.
tim pool
Hank McCormick says 100 suitcase-sized nukes missing from the Russian stockpile since the 90s.
How many Russian sleeper cells are out there?
I don't know, man, but maybe there's Tom Cruise with a crack team of special agents keeping us safe.
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
What if, what if Tom Cruise actually was the secret agent for Mission Impossible and the movies are to cover up the explosions?
They say they're just doing stunts.
ian crossland
He was a fighter pilot in Top Gun.
tim pool
That's right.
That proves it.
unidentified
He's the hero.
tim pool
He does a lot of his own stunts, I hear, though.
He broke his foot that one time filming Mission Impossible.
He jumped between two roofs and then like... Oh, Stuntman.
Yep.
All right.
Let's see what we got here.
Christopher Massey says, as an Afghan vet, I feel qualified to say not only did the idiots in the swamp lose a winnable war, but it took 11 years to kill a guy that was living in caves.
But they're gonna outsmart Putin?
unidentified
Mmm.
ian crossland
Yup.
lydia smith
Doubt.
tim pool
Man, that's why I'm saying I'm confident.
ian smith
And these are the people that we should be listening to, not the girl reading the poem on the internet.
These are people who have experienced conflict and who understand that there's really no winners in this situation and that we should be trying to resolve this as diplomatically as possible and with as few casualties as possible because Any American conflict in the past 20, 30 years has not brought this country any, any form of good.
It's only, it's only hurt people like this, these veterans.
And, and we know a lot of these guys, cause these are, these are the guys that come to our gym, you know, and these are the guys that have seen it and, and, and seen that these are not, these are not wars that we want to get involved in.
We want to prevent these wars, if anything.
tim pool
Yeah, all right.
We got Amy Beth Quinn says, Tim, can you give a big shout out to Wes, a fan of yours who is currently hauling my family's stuff in a semi from Washington to Tennessee as we move from tyranny to more freedom.
And Lydia, I have a super guest recommendation for you.
Check out Jim Stroud on RumbleAndAnchor.fm.
lydia smith
I will do that.
tim pool
Shout out, Wes.
lydia smith
Very cool.
ian crossland
Nice job, Wes.
tim pool
Vesidious says, you really need to get Scott Horton of Antiwar.com on.
He broke down the politics and history of the Ukraine-Russia conflict expertly on Dave Smith's podcast.
We've had Scott, right?
unidentified
We have.
tim pool
Yeah, we skated with him.
He came on the show, and then afterwards, it's like midnight, and he's like, let's skate the mini ramp.
And I was like, bro, it's midnight, I gotta wake up.
But I did a kickflip pivot.
ian smith
So bonus.
tim pool
That's a sick trick, and I was very stoked that I landed it.
You'd be cool to have Dave Smith and Scott on.
unidentified
Yeah, that's a good idea.
tim pool
If they're available, it'd be great to have some anti-war personalities talking about what's going on.
Let's see what we got here in these superchats.
Richard Bloom says, when has any communist or fascist or bully ever had enough?
Study economics.
Growth through expansion is the only way they succeed.
Yeah.
Chris Williams says, why do you think Russia wants Chernobyl so badly?
I think they want to secure the country.
lydia smith
Symbolism?
tim pool
No, I don't think they want Chernobyl so badly.
I think they moved into the north.
Chernobyl is very close to Kiev and they're taking strategic points.
They can use it to their advantage and they're going to move into Kiev.
There you go, man.
Alan Rogers says, so much for 69th generational propaganda PSYOP digital warfare, eh, Tim?
Looks like guns, tanks, and planes are here to stay.
Oh, I never said they were gonna be gone.
I was saying that a key portion of the war is gonna, like, like war will be fought through propaganda.
But what you gotta understand about hot war with planes, tanks, guns, and all that stuff, is when the propaganda stops working, then you escalate your tensions.
You know, are we gonna see nukes launched?
We've seen gravity bombs dropped in World War II, and that was it.
We gonna see ICBMs be actually used for the first time?
I certainly hope not.
But they could be.
Could be, man.
Seth says, was delighted to tune in tonight to see you were able to get Nordic Kratos on.
unidentified
Did people call you that or something?
ian smith
No, but I'm guessing he was talking about me.
ian crossland
I got a feeling.
Oh yeah, it's Kratos, the guy from God of War.
unidentified
You do look like him, he's a beast.
ian smith
How fitting for tonight's show.
I've been talking about de-escalation of conflict the entire night.
I'm not doing my job.
tim pool
Liven says, do you think this will result in Biden having to re-establish our energy independence, rolling back restrictions on fracking and restoring Keystone?
Now, I did want to read this, even though we did address it, because I just want to reiterate, Biden recently, in the past few days, suspended leases on oil and gas.
lydia smith
Yes.
20 seconds.
ian smith
That would be a fantastic step in the right direction from Joe Biden.
I would take him a lot more seriously as somebody who is protecting the interests of this country.
If I saw a move like that.
tim pool
You know what we were saying the other day is, could you imagine if for the State of the Union he comes out and he's like, my fellow Americans, we've done a bad job.
Inflation's through the roof.
Our policies haven't worked.
War has erupted in Eastern Europe and we're not sure how to handle it.
Afghanistan was an absolute disaster.
It was on my watch and my fault and I'm sorry.
Could you imagine?
I'd respect him if he did that.
unidentified
I would, too.
ian crossland
I would be like, wow.
tim pool
I'd be like, all right, man.
After coming clean and saying all that and just owning up to it, I'd be like, let me know what you need.
I'll help you fix it.
ian smith
You come out here and honestly say- That would be a powerful statement from any world leader.
unidentified
Right.
ian smith
Good luck getting that.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
Someone superchatted the other day.
They were like, God bless his speechwriters for the state of the universe.
What are they going to write?
This has been a terrible past year.
ian smith
They put up a fence already.
I don't know what you're going to write about it.
tim pool
COVID was worse than it was under Trump.
There were more deaths.
Inflation is through the roof.
Gas prices have doubled.
Afghanistan was bungled.
There's a war breaking out in Europe.
ian crossland
We could have seen it all coming.
tim pool
What if he quits?
What if he's like, I'm out, and he drops the mic and just leaves?
ian smith
I'm going to get some ice cream.
unidentified
And then Kamala's like, is this thing on?
tim pool
What would actually be way better if he comes out with his aviator sunglasses, and he's got the ice cream cone, and he's like, and then instead of speaking, he just goes like, you're screwed, bucko, and he walks out.
ian smith
I don't know, Jack.
unidentified
Look fat.
tim pool
Look fat.
lydia smith
I love it.
ian smith
He should just come out with one of those stories where he starts just talking about like kids touching his legs.
He should just come out right from the rip with something that has nothing to do with the State of the Union and just do one of those like shuffles where he walks away real quick as everybody's just bewildered trying to ask questions.
lydia smith
Yes.
ian crossland
Yeah, I mean, now's the time.
lydia smith
Dramatic exit.
ian crossland
He's got an audience.
tim pool
That's right.
Yeah, some people were mentioning there was a deal the U.S.
had with Ukraine that we would back them up.
I don't know about it.
I don't know.
But there we go, man.
back Ukraine and Russia if Russia came knocking.
Does anyone think Russia would invade if Ukraine had nukes?
That's right.
Yeah, some people were mentioning there was a deal the US had with Ukraine that we would
back them up.
I don't know about it.
I don't know.
But there we go, man.
ian crossland
I'd like to know more about that if you guys have any info.
tim pool
Odd Stance says, I hope people can now realize there are no right sides when it comes to
The victor writes the history books.
Hopefully people will now realize that fact.
When you get into a pissing contest, you don't win, you just get covered in piss.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
lydia smith
Wrestling with a pig.
tim pool
John L says, Russia won't buy Bitcoin.
Putin will buy all FJB coin.
unidentified
Wouldn't that be really funny if Putin was just like... That would be an interesting turn of events.
ian smith
That would be awesome.
lydia smith
The new standard.
tim pool
Just buy FJB.
ian smith
You're gonna see a spike in that today.
ian crossland
The Russia going to crypto is kind of like a hope.
I don't know if it's likely, but that's like a hope of mine.
Likely what would happen if they got cut off from SWIFT.
They'd have to create their own currency, whether it be a central bank coin or a piece of crypto that went on a blockchain.
I don't know.
ian smith
Yeah, I mean, either way, they're obviously going to come up with some sort of solution.
ian crossland
Trackable digital currency.
ian smith
Even if it's a... I mean, even if they don't go to crypto, they're going to go to some sort of other payment system, and you don't think that China would hop on board with that very quickly?
China can exist in both.
So why wouldn't all these big economic countries in that part of the world say, yeah, we'll use that one too?
ian crossland
You'd see American corporations spinning up Russian currency if they did that, and be like, But I'm playing both sides, just like Henry Ford did in World War II.
ian smith
Yeah.
I mean, so whether or not it goes crypto or it stays on fiat, I mean, that's a bad idea regardless.
I think that that's something that needs to just get pulled off the table immediately.
tim pool
Hunter Keller says a nuclear winter will cancel out global warming.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
That's the plan.
And Greta will be happy.
unidentified
I don't know if that's true, but... What does Snope say about that?
Yeah, right.
ian smith
What does Snopes say about that?
lydia smith
Yeah right.
tim pool
Yeah.
Andrew Alvarez says I'm running for US House of Representatives.
House in Texas trying to primary an incumbent.
Texas primary elections are March 1st.
Wish me luck.
Keep America working and our families safe.
Everybody, please, right now, look up when your local primaries are and get rid of these incumbents.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
I don't care if they're Democrats or Republicans.
Tell them to go away.
It's happened before.
I think it was like in the 50s, like all the incumbents got voted out and then just all new people on both sides.
ian crossland
Was it good?
Did it turn out to be good?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian smith
I think that's something that should happen regularly.
You know, part of the problem I think that we have in our political culture is that people don't pay attention until it's time to go to the ballot box.
So they haven't really, in essence, they haven't really selected their candidate.
You know, such a small portion of people take part in the primaries of their parties that whoever's on the ballot, they just vote for, but they don't really know much about them.
You know, there's so many better options that are not making it through that initial cut merely just because people aren't paying attention to it.
You know, I don't know what the percentage is, but it's a dim percentage, the amount of people who pay attention in the primary.
compared to those who show up in the general election. And that's, I mean, you want to start
seeing change. You know, that's a good place to start as an individual.
tim pool
Tiberius says the real tragedy is that Hunter Biden lost his job.
Oh, damn.
Tina Collette says on climate change, climate cost, etc.
Just remember one good volcanic eruption and the world temperature dropped several degrees
immediately for years.
unidentified
Oh, that's what we need.
ian smith
There you go.
tim pool
Yeah, and if you get a Yellowstone eruption, then you get the sun blocked out for... Then break out those coconuts.
That's right.
Sit back and put your feet up and say, all right, man.
Kevin Clark says, metal gear is great.
I love the boss.
The end.
Everyone you kill comes back to haunt you during it.
It really makes you think about your actions and their impact.
ian crossland
Oh, that's awesome.
tim pool
Love Tim Caskey, but the great work.
Appreciate it, man.
ian crossland
I only played the first Metal Gear.
You said you played... I played a couple of them.
...as a sniper?
ian smith
No, I would just run through and just kill people.
I, like, tried to, like, hide in the box, but, like, the guard would always find me and I'd just pop out and kill him.
Hide in the box.
ian crossland
Yeah, like action games.
tim pool
Kelsey Lacour says, live in Carroll County, Maryland.
This morning we saw two batches of eight to ten military helicopters flying in formation heading northwest from D.C.
Yup.
Yeah, when I was getting ready, it says, like, 7.30, 8 a.m., I could hear helicopters.
There's a lot, yeah.
them every so often. Sometimes the Chinooks come over and stuff like that.
lydia smith
There's a lot, yeah.
tim pool
Yep. So, you know, in talking about potential for war and everything,
when I was saying I talked to Luke, I'm like, Florida's not a good place to be.
And he's like, well, you're by Mount Weather. And I thought about it and I was like, no,
for sure, it's a hike. It's this area, the DC area is a target. Probably the safest area, though.
You know what I mean?
Well, maybe not the safest.
You know, the bunkers of mountains in Colorado are probably the safest.
I think they moved NORAD.
But they've got mountainous underground bunkers you probably don't even know about.
You've got Mount Weather.
But we do have SAM sites throughout the D.C.
area.
So, you know, if anything started to happen, you got surface-to-air missiles.
I don't know if they have any way of stopping ICBMs.
I'd imagine we've had to have deployed high-power lasers already, right?
That can just track and target, like Iron Dome.
If Israel's got Iron Dome, we have to have something like that.
ian smith
I'm fairly certain that if we wanted to stop something coming over the ocean at us, that we—
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't think it's not the ICBMs.
It's orbital strikes that are the next big thing They just come from above you don't see him coming rods from God or missiles from orbit that are straight down Yeah coming straight down at you to too high velocity to even detect coming in.
Hmm I think that we may want to get involved with the military in the US.
Actually, Tim, it's so weird to think this, but like we might be do a great service to our species if we like go to NORAD and help them or like go, we'd have to be invited.
But I think that we could because you have a voice that people listen to which we need right now.
tim pool
You want me saying I should go to NORAD and broadcast propaganda for the government?
ian crossland
Basically, if it comes to a war, a real war, yeah, that's the kind of thing you need people like me, or at least like you, thinkers that are outside of this woke crowd to save the lives of The US administration would be like, thanks so much for your input, Ian.
tim pool
I just read this script and it would be like, war is good.
Vladimir Putin is evil and our war is justified.
Enlist today if you're 18 to 26.
Take up arms.
It's an adventure.
ian crossland
I'm not sending people to their death, but I will do my best to protect people.
That's for sure.
I'm not reading a script either.
tim pool
There's no circumstance where they're going to be like, thank you.
Now please broadcast this anti-war message.
ian crossland
I'll read the script if I agree with the script, but that's about that.
tim pool
Or just say your script here and just say whatever you want to say.
ian crossland
Yeah, we don't need to be there to help, but in the case of bombs dropping, it would be nice to be in a bunker.
tim pool
Joe Biden is a crooked, crony, capitalist criminal.
All of those C's.
unidentified
Lots of C's.
tim pool
I don't trust a word out of that guy's mouth.
ian crossland
I know it sucks to think that my own government is the enemy.
I don't like living like this.
tim pool
I don't trust a word out of Putin's mouth.
ian crossland
Yeah, me neither.
tim pool
He's nuts, but I think there's one thing I can count on.
Joe Biden's self-interest.
And his self-interest requires an America to exist in some form.
Clearly the southern border is proof he doesn't care all that much about it.
But at least he wants Delaware to be around because he's got a house there.
So that's the one thing I can say.
Putin doesn't care about Joe Biden's house.
So long as Joe Biden cares about Joe Biden's house, the peripheral areas will probably be a bit safer than, you know.
So I can trust self-interest.
Yeah.
All right.
Chris Pavotto says, Ian, rolling low, bro.
The Navy does not emit the most CO2.
A lot.
Yes.
The most.
Please check the numbers.
We have the safest global nuke power with carriers and subs.
I trust our nukes people to operate our plants.
Go Navy.
ian crossland
I think I said the American military is the largest polluter.
The Army and the Navy combined.
You know, definitely don't take my word at face value, but that's analytics I've seen in the past.
unidentified
Word.
tim pool
Trash Panda says, we are divided at a time where division is dangerous, and I can't see how we get reunited, seeing how insane leftists are.
Dark times are ahead of us.
We don't!
We don't.
Maybe this is it.
We're nearing 250 years, right?
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
There you go.
250 years.
tim pool
Why don't you guys, why don't you do this?
Order yourself some Papa John's.
Cheese stuffed crust.
Get extra cheese, extra sauce, some pepperoni.
Order some wings.
Sit back with your friends and your loved ones.
Buy a machete and some coconuts and crack them open.
ian crossland
Just sit back and drink that coconut water.
lydia smith
It's good for you.
ian crossland
Fix your gut biome.
That's no joke because that'll get your head in the game.
That'll help you get your head in the game.
tim pool
Just enjoy it because Man, it looks like there's going to come a time where you're not going to be able to have that pizza.
Correct.
Our Papa John's already has no employees.
There's like one guy who works there.
So there's no deliveries anymore.
ian smith
It's one of the craziest things that I've been seeing recently is, you know, I traveled recently out to Arizona for a speaking engagement, you know, and I used to live in Arizona and wanted to go to this old restaurant that I loved.
Just this Mongolian grill, just, you know, real basic.
We pulled up and it said temporarily closed due to employee shortages.
lydia smith
Yep.
ian smith
Yes, that was the that was the first time and it's it's not like it's a bad restaurant.
It's good food.
It's they didn't have enough people to operate the restaurant.
So they temporarily closed it.
ian crossland
High unemployment and high lack of employment at the same time.
It's so weird.
ian smith
It's high unemployment, but low... I don't even know what the term is.
lydia smith
Seeking work.
ian smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
If you stop seeking work, you're not even calculated as being unemployed anymore.
ian smith
No, and that's the problem, is you have a tremendous amount of people who are just not seeking work at the time, or not seeking work on the books.
ian crossland
Because of, again... Because they're getting unemployment and they don't want to lose it.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We're going to talk about these bio labs in Ukraine.
This is really interesting stuff.
May all just be a conspiracy theory.
Crossbone says Twitter banned a user who matched up the bombing locations in U.S.
bioweapons labs in Ukraine.
Putin is hitting the deep state when he makes these attacks.
I don't know if that's true.
Snopes says false.
lydia smith
Oh, okay.
tim pool
And that means it must be true.
ian smith
That settles it.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Well, we don't know, but we're going to take a look.
We're going to talk about it.
I don't know if it's true.
It's just some posts on Twitter.
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ian smith
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ian crossland
I would imagine if people believe in what you were doing, staying open, that they might want to help with legal fees somehow.
Is that something you're even interested in?
ian smith
People have been tremendously supportive to us all the way through.
ian crossland
Is there a way, easy way for people to donate?
ian smith
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ian crossland
It's really, really awesome.
unidentified
It is.
ian crossland
Thanks for coming, man.
Ian Crossland, check me out at iancrossland.net.
I'll see you guys later.
lydia smith
Thank you guys for tuning in to the IRL show at the end of the world.
Hopefully this is not our last show.
I'm sure it'll be fine.
We'll figure this all out over the course of the next few weeks, hopefully.
You guys may follow me on Twitter and Minds.com, at Sarah Patchlitz.
tim pool
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We'll see you there.
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