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Timcast IRL - Trudeau ENDS Emergency Order Over Freedom Convoy As US Convoy Begins w/Jorge Ventura
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ian crossland
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jorge ventura
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tim pool
Thanks for watching.
Why?
Yo, everybody was yelling at them, and I think they realized it was really, really bad.
They were going to be losing a lot of support.
They'd lost a lot of support.
When you even had individuals coming on this show who are more, you know, mainstream personalities saying it's martial law, I think Trudeau realized maybe you made a big mistake.
But it shows you how effective the Freedom Convoy protests are that it forced their hand.
Pulled the mask off.
Now the Canadian government is instructing banks to unfreeze the accounts.
Why?
Because people were rightfully freaking out at the prospect of the government seizing your ass effectively without a court order.
So this is huge.
At the same time, D.C.
is confirming National Guard is being deployed.
There's two different U.S.
convoys, the People's Convoy and the Freedom Convoy, both departing from around L.A., I believe, plus a whole bunch of other weird little convoys everywhere.
Protests are going to get lit.
We got one that's going to be heading to D.C.
on the 1st for the State of the Union.
National Guard will be deployed.
Security fences are being set up.
And then we've got another that's going to get to D.C.
on the 5th.
We'll see which one, you know, we'll see how big these get.
The People's Convoy already raised nearly $400,000.
So this should get very, very interesting.
Then we got some news on Ukraine.
Get this.
Joe Biden reissues the sanctions that Donald Trump had signed into place.
Why he removed them, I have no idea.
I think they're trying to appease Putin.
It's clearly not working.
So now they're backtracking, and that won't work either.
So we're going to talk about all that stuff, plus much, much more.
Joining us is, we have two documentarians, Jorge and Sagnic.
Do you guys want to introduce yourselves?
jorge ventura
Yeah, my name is Jorge Ventura, field reporter for The Daily Caller.
sagnik basu
I'm Sognic, and I'm a producer for The Daily Caller.
tim pool
And you guys have seen it all.
I mean, I don't know if you, were you on the ground, Sognic, at the Kenosha stuff, or no?
sagnik basu
I was not.
tim pool
No, but you were, right?
Yeah, man.
jorge ventura
Yeah, we've seen it all, man, from the, you know, the riots in 2020, to, you know, the lockdowns on small businesses, to the mental health aspect on teens, even, you know, basically start of 2021 was the border crisis.
So we started seeing the human smuggling, human trafficking.
And it just seems like right now with under this administration, the news just never stops.
tim pool
Yeah, it's crazy, right?
What are you guys working on now?
jorge ventura
So Mean Sonic, actually, we just released last week.
It's our new documentary.
It's called Hero to Zero.
And basically what Mean Sonic wanted to do is we wanted to give a voice to all the first responders, especially in Southern California, that refuse to comply with the mandates and who have been fired or been placed on unpaid leave.
The reason why Mean Sonic wanted to produce this documentary was because we took a look at the corporate press and we saw how the corporate press, as you guys know, the frontline workers, like anyone who worked the grocery stores or nurses or firefighters, They held him as heroes for the past two years, right?
I'm from Los Angeles, so my mayor Eric Garcetti told us that every night at 6 p.m.
we had to come out and bang pots and pans for these frontline workers.
Now, fast forward to the mandates, now those same frontline workers have been demonized by the media.
They've been fired.
LA Times put out an editorial saying we need to build back better by firing all the anti-vaxxer firefighters, so we felt That we wanted to give a voice back to the workers.
And we didn't like how the corporate press was just treating regular first responders, American citizens, working class, that were on the front lines for us while we were all quarantined.
So we want to give them a voice.
That's why we actually named the documentary From Hero, because they were held as heroes to now Zero, where these people are literally not getting paid.
They cannot pay their mortgages, can't put food on the table for taking their stance.
And I'm very proud of that.
tim pool
I think that's pertinent, especially considering what's going on with the Freedom Convoys.
I think it's funny you mentioned Garcetti saying bang pots and pans.
Because when the truckers honk their horns, it was the apocalypse.
But they want you to come out and bang pots and pans when it's their protest.
So we'll get into all that stuff.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Ian.
He's chilling.
ian crossland
What up, everybody?
Hey, Jorge.
Glad you're here, man.
So from time to time, bring this up, because you guys did a lot of work at the border in Trejas, which means deliveries, I believe it means.
And this was around the wrist of a child.
jorge ventura
Yeah, the last time we were here, we were to show you guys those bracelets.
Those are the bracelets that migrants are basically forced to wear by these human smugglers down in South Texas.
So we just wanted to show the American people that these migrants are being used as essentially just products for drug cartels, human smuggling groups.
According to some reports that we got, human smugglers right now are making up to $14 million a day just off human smuggling.
We're not even talking about the fentanyl that's coming into the country yet.
tim pool
And we got immigration stories as well with what's going on.
I mean, it's kind of crazy what's happening with Ukraine.
A lot of people are upset because our own border isn't being protected.
But we'll get into all that stuff.
We got Lydia pressing all the buttons.
lydia smith
I am also here in the corner pushing buttons.
Very excited to have Jorge and Sagnic back.
We always enjoy having them.
They always bring the on-the-ground reporting from wherever they go, and we appreciate their presence.
tim pool
And we also, for some reason, there's a vagrant sitting in the back of the room.
Look at this guy.
He's beanie wearing.
Can you see him?
ian crossland
Wild pink t-shirt wearing.
lydia smith
It's Richie McGinnis.
unidentified
Richie McGinnis!
tim pool
Yes, he is.
He brought beer.
lydia smith
Oh, here he comes.
unidentified
No comment.
I'm a beer caddy, and I have the right to remain silent.
lydia smith
That's true, he does.
ian crossland
Richie McGinnis, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
A.K.A.
jorge ventura
Matthew McConaughey.
tim pool
He's trapped here, though, so we got him in a room.
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Let's talk about this first big story.
This is crazy.
From Al Jazeera, Trudeau lifts emergency order invoked to end trucker protests.
Amid criticism, the Canadian PM insists Emergencies Act was needed to quell anti-government blockades and occupation.
Speaking to reporters on Wednesday afternoon, Trudeau said the Emergencies Act was necessary to help law enforcement agencies disperse large numbers of protesters who had descended on Ottawa.
We get it.
But it's not true.
It's absolutely not true.
They could have had a very small group of police officers, very small, walk up to the peaceful truckers and say, we're placing you under arrest for obstructing a roadway, and that's it.
We've seen them do this over and over again to climate change activists, to left-wing protesters.
I understand Canada is a different country than the US, but come on, policing is very similar here and there.
Instead, they pulled out the boot and they put it on people's necks.
My opinion, Is that they wanted to make these emergency powers permanent.
We already heard the Deputy Prime Minister in Canada say, we want this, this, you know, financial powers to be permanent because of cryptocurrencies and crowdfunding.
And now all of a sudden, oh, we're lifting the order.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
I think the backlash was bad.
They wanted to use the protest as an excuse to expand their powers.
It didn't work.
Well, I don't know what's going to happen next.
Certainly, they did crush those protests.
We got protests coming here into the U.S.
They're trying to unfreeze bank accounts.
But I'll throw it to you guys.
I mean, you guys have been on the ground for a lot of protests.
I don't know if you guys were following what was happening with the truckers up in Canada or, you know, similar protests.
But I'm curious what your thoughts are based on what you've seen on the ground versus what's displayed in the news.
jorge ventura
I think for me the biggest takeaway was this is one of the biggest worker uprisings that we've ever seen in our history where you actually have true you know people in the middle class working class actually uprising together and it's not like a fringe left the fringe right it's just a true working class coming together then you actually got to see the Canadian government how they responded with just complete government overreach using their security forces to beat up on protesters to beat up And also members of the media.
A lot of members of the Rebel News, which I'm really truly grateful for Rebel News because their journalists have been on the ground and just getting us these crucial videos of what's going on in Ottawa.
And without them I feel like we would be just kind of be, you know, dependent on the corporate media.
And the way actually I look at Rebel News is actually I look at our DC Riot Squad in 2020 where it's like you kind of have these few on the ground reporters getting these kind of viral videos and showing you the truth.
But I think one of the biggest takeaways from what's going on in Canada was that, you know, governments all over have been completely silent when it comes to violence on peaceful protesters and also members of the media.
I think one of the key takeaways that I've took away is that at least the president of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele, has come out and spoken out.
against this and it's it's it's interesting to see because for me as well as you know these demonstrations were happening in you know in Yemen or Afghanistan or anything like that the US government will be quickly you know up in arms and telling us how we need to intervene but since it's Canada I mean we've been completely silent on this issue didn't didn't Canada issue a statement about Cuba recently like during the protest did you see that something like that where they're like people should have their free speech like shut up Nobody believes you.
tim pool
You know what's really fascinating about this though?
The craziest thing is for me to see, you mentioned this in the intro, that Garcetti is like, bang your pots and pans for the first responders.
And I'm like, you mean be a public nuisance and keep people up at night?
No, no, no, I don't really care about the pots and pans.
What do they call that?
They call it the casseroles protest.
I don't mind that.
I don't care if people are banging pots and pans all gone, be like, woo, make some noise.
But they complain about the truckers honking their horns.
Now, I get it.
I'll say it all the time.
Different countries.
But the same people in the U.S.
who are supporting banging pots and pans and protesting with Black Lives Matter during a pandemic are condemning truckers for going out and protesting.
sagnik basu
Speaking of protests, the trucker protest is a perfect example of what a peaceful demonstration looks like.
And the whole cause and effect is just to cause a disruption so that people in charge realize that we are essential to what you do and how the country works.
And if you stop working, there's a huge problem.
So you, as our ruler, are kind of responsible to take care of what are our needs and demands.
Because, like, you are in charge of us.
And we vote you guys in.
tim pool
I take my cues from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
She's a great leader.
She's a thought leader for our generation.
And she says that protests are supposed to make you uncomfortable.
I say, you're so right.
You're so brilliant.
I absolutely agree.
sagnik basu
I mean, boy, did this make you uncomfortable.
tim pool
In all seriousness, so she is right.
The problem is the protests she was offending were violent, riotous, and the ones we're defending are like people parking their trucks in the street and honking.
ian crossland
I wonder if they would have had a better protest if they weren't honking, if they had just blocked traffic and sat there and stopped working.
Because, like, you want to make people uncomfortable, but it's the kind of discomfort where, like, uh-oh, if the truckers aren't there, we're gonna suffer.
Not the kind of discomfort where, like, it hurts because you're making so much noise, stop.
Because now most of those people in Ottawa wanted the truckers gone.
tim pool
They're downtown, though.
It's not like they're going into suburbs and residential neighborhoods.
ian crossland
It's worse downtown because you have buildings with just densely packed citizens that are suffering, basically.
It's not a residential area, though.
I've seen video of people in their high-rise recording from above.
tim pool
There are people who live there.
I'm not saying nobody lives there, but it's not like they're going into a strictly residential neighborhood.
They're going into a business district in downtown.
ian crossland
I understand the intent to disrupt and blockade and to I get that part, but the noise was really destructive.
Probably unnecessarily destructive.
So American guys, you truckers, keep that in mind.
They're looking for a reason to bust you.
Don't give them one.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
tim pool
Everyone's posting ones in chat.
No, no, no, no.
Honking.
Honking, I think, is brilliant.
Me too.
You're just honking your horn.
You're making noise.
These protesters go around with boom boxes.
They go around screaming.
They go around chanting.
They bang drums non-stop.
This is what protests have been doing for a really, really long time.
To come out now and be like, oh, but the truckers shouldn't.
I'm like, Look, we tolerate a certain degree of discomfort for non-violent civil disobedience.
And making noise can be annoying and frustrating, but it really does show you the complete BS that is the left-right paradigm.
That when you are making noise in their city, How dare you!
Oh, I'm gonna go and enact emergency powers and freeze your banks!
Yet, they can go out and they can bang whatever they want whenever they want for their cause.
That when you're engaging in your protest on the steps of your state capitol building, they say, oh, it's a super spreader event, these evil far-right guys.
And then they go up by the thousands during the same pandemic, and the nurses are clapping and cheering for them.
I love that photo.
Where the nurse is standing in front of the truck that says like, no mandates or whatever, and they're like, you know, hands on their hips.
And then at the same time, you get a video of nurses clapping for Black Lives Matter.
I'm like, dude, I'm not playing the stupid, you get, you know, rules for thee, but not for me game.
If we tolerate banging from the left in pots and pans, I got no issue with people honking I wouldn't tolerate it.
ian crossland
Outside my house, if people were making noise 24-7, I wouldn't tolerate it.
I'd make it stop.
And if the law wasn't... Well, there's lots of ways to do it.
tim pool
No, there isn't.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
One of them is call the cops.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Noise ordinances and stuff.
We have them for a reason.
tim pool
So you support the emergency powers to crack down?
ian crossland
No, and I think the fact that they could do that and do it again tomorrow if they wanted to spin them up again is terrifying.
And we should repeal the Patriot Act.
tim pool
That they could use the NDA.
jorge ventura
For me, it's hard to fault the truckers at all.
I mean, the honking's not a big deal.
I guess for me, from my perspective, it's just from being on the ground and seeing the Black Lives Matter protests in person.
You know, you had folks in, I mean, there was a famous aerial shot in D.C.
where almost, it looked like every single building was on fire.
You had people in D.C.
in their high-rises where they're filming videos, like, actually cheering on the protest.
And as soon as the protesters look at them, they'll, like, throw a rock through the window.
So for me, it's like, You know, the honking, I can't fault, especially what we've seen on the ground here in the United States.
And the thing is, the media that's demonizing the truckers, I mean, they're all in cities that were being wrecked by the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020.
lydia smith
Yeah, so I may disagree with Ian about whether or not the truckers should have been honking, but I do think he has a salient point about the feds now keeping a very close eye on the truckers.
Jack Posobiec also made the point recently.
He said, I don't think that a convey is the best way to get your point across.
He said, I think that a general strike is a better way to do it.
Yeah, I think that's true because it is so decentralized.
It's something we talk a lot about.
I think something so decentralized would really drive the point home.
tim pool
Look at this video real quick.
This is a video from the Black Lives Matter insurrection in Washington DC.
Look at the smoke everywhere.
It's absolutely insane.
jorge ventura
I will never forget that image.
sagnik basu
My sister she owns a wine bar in downtown DC and the day after this she sent me photos of her glasses and she has like plants outside the bar and everything was shattered and stuff like that and even if like I was to like step myself out of the bubble and be like hey is this dangerous or are truckers blocking downtown and honking dangerous I would rather I don't know.
I would choose the one where my sister's bar glasses got shattered.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
We're gonna see this Freedom Convoy.
There's two.
There's actually several.
There's more than two.
People's Convoy is gonna be leaving.
I think they left today.
jorge ventura
They left today from Adelanto, California, which is in San Bernardino County.
tim pool
And they're planning on making it to D.C.
by the 5th.
But there's also the Freedom Convoy.
sagnik basu
The small ones, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, this is crazy.
And they're gonna be there on the 1st.
So I guess they're driving a lot more.
sagnik basu
So basically starting March, there's gonna be like a lot of truckers, a lot of people basically all over the DMV area.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm excited.
sagnik basu
Making the same point in Canada.
tim pool
We live here.
Oh boy!
We're super close to Frederick, which is like the last... And it's not just that.
sagnik basu
Now DC is again back to the green zone, which it was after Gen 6, which is...
Kind of makes me really sad because I've been living in DC for like three years now and the city was all fine and dandy before, I don't know, like COVID and after COVID happened and Jan 6th happened, the city turned into a green zone and it was all sad and gloomy and downtown you can like hear like a needle drop.
And it was kind of getting better and starting, I don't know, like yesterday, it's again like getting locked up.
ian crossland
It feels like a symbolic protest, this going to D.C.
and setting up in the Capitol.
It's more, it's not a functional protest.
It doesn't actually do anything.
It's like, look at how big I am.
I'm bigger than you.
I control the world now.
And the feds are going to be like, no, you don't, bro.
And I'm going to show you how you don't.
tim pool
Let's address this.
And first, I want to give us, we got a story here breaking down a little bit what we got.
USA Today reports truck convoy nearing nation's capital.
Pentagon OK's use of National Guard vaccination drive stalls as Omicron fades.
COVID updates.
As many as 700 National Guard are prepared to take posts across the nation's capital amid planned trucker protest convoys that organizers say could paralyze the city without entering it.
Bob Bolas, a Pennsylvania truck driver, says he's leading the Freedom Convoy of trucks from Pennsylvania to Washington on Wednesday, but he told NBC4 in Washington that he has backed off immediate plans to gridlock the Capitol.
We're not shutting the traffic down today.
If we don't have a resolution from the government to the rights that they're taking from us, I will predict in the future it will get shut down.
So you've got, there's this Pennsylvania convoy coming from the north.
You've got the People's Convoy coming from California.
I think Freedom Convoy is also California, right?
unidentified
Correct.
sagnik basu
And there's also one coming from Maryland and the guy, he's running for governor in Maryland.
He's also there, but like there's some like iffiness because like it's just one truck and his tires got slashed.
It's like so many things happen at one time.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
So I think these protests are incredibly effective.
Nay, Ian, I believe they may be the most effective we've seen in our lifetimes, because I've seen many.
And perhaps you could argue the George Floyd riots got a lot done for Black Lives Matter.
Yeah, but those are riots, not protests.
And we know the establishment has been defending and supporting these violent extremists.
In terms of a protest, you look at what happened in Ottawa.
Boy, did that generate press.
It made the issue of border vaccines the number one story, which is, it's important.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, which is why non-violent civil disobedience works.
When you go out and you stage a disruptive protest, You'll get a slap on the wrist.
You'll get arrested, and I think you should, because you're crossing a line.
But it's a line we say, okay, okay, we get it.
You wanted people to hear you.
All of a sudden, the news says, hey, that disruption?
It was because of this.
So if you look at the Ottawa protests, how many people were talking about vaccine mandates on the border?
Not a whole lot.
The truckers get in their trucks, they drive to Ottawa, and all of a sudden, for three or four weeks, One of the biggest stories internationally was this.
Trudeau was forced to, I don't think he was necessarily forced to, I don't think they needed to use emergency powers, but the mask slips.
Now we can see, you've got regular people saying, this is fascism, this is martial law.
It has exposed the despotism of this establishment, one grain of sand at a time.
I'm not going to pretend like there's a revolution overnight from truckers honking their horns.
But people can see the double standard, they can see the BS hierarchy, we call it now, not hypocrisy, that the left gets away with this stuff and the right gets punished for it, and you can see the lengths they're willing to go to maintain power.
sagnik basu
That's the main thing, because no one would have ever expected that Trudeau would just invoke a terrorism clause just like that, just to get a hold of how people are supporting these truckers.
Like, just think about that for a fact.
Like, to think about the fact that the thing which they did in terms of freezing the bank counts and even to reach as far as the crypto stuff, like the fact that Trudo went that far, I think that just credits the truckers that without them putting this Up front and center, no one would have guessed that the Prime Minister could go as far as to getting a hold of your personal bank account.
ian crossland
I did think that they would invoke terrorism stuff because of the noise.
And roll one's all you want guys, but noise can be violent.
You can kill someone with too much noise.
sagnik basu
But terrorism though, that has terrorism by definition has like a political motive to it.
ian crossland
I think that they were trying to scare people, or this is the mentality of what they're going to say, they're trying to scare people to get their politics accomplished.
They're trying to frighten them into submission.
tim pool
Ian, come on, man.
They're honking their horns.
ian crossland
I know, but this is my... I'm wargaming the scenario right now.
A fascist dictatorship will use this argument and say, your honking is violent, you are aggressing on the people, and we're going to invoke whatever we need to stop you.
tim pool
And that is exactly why it was an effective protest.
Because any sane, rational person is hearing that going, What?
ian crossland
What are we talking about?
I thought it was just honking until I watched a video of a guy that lives there and it's like okay it's not just honking like it's it's a non-stop all-day loud noise.
jorge ventura
it's gonna be you know not comfortable but i grew a sonic stake where i think
what happened on a lash expose the canadian government i think we've all
you know all of us were like a big they wouldn't go that far
there was other freezing of the bank accounts that we saw the videos of these police officers rolling up to the
structures busting out the windows
it was all the viral footage of a disabled woman trampled by the horse i think
that actually did was actually really effective in exposing the canadian
government because we never knew that they could be that authoritarian i mean
ian crossland
up to my my concern is if you want to expose the american government and its
fascist ways okay but if you hold a piece of meat out in front of a
hungry wolf in a bites your hand
yeah you exposed it for being the dumb idiot animal that it was
but it what was the cost of the exposition I don't need to sacrifice a bunch of truckers to prove that fascist dictatorship has taken over our government a hundred years ago.
sagnik basu
What do you mean by sacrifice?
ian crossland
I don't want to see people go to solitary to try and just to prove that Biden's in the hand of Klaus Schwab or some You know, like the Federal Reserve, it's so fascist.
This whole system, we're, we don't need to hurt ourselves to prove this right now.
We need to fix it.
tim pool
Fascistic, I think is the better word.
You know what I don't like about people saying communism and fascism is that they're, they represent, no, they represent a hundred years ago when we had this, this rising ideologies in Europe.
They were specific.
Now we've got a lot of technology that has changed how it's being implemented.
And when, you know, Trudeau and Biden, and they use these authoritarian powers, it's like, Fash, come you fascism. It's weird. So there's a meme where
they fold the political compass, authoritarian right, you know, and left over. It's like
whatever China is doing. It's like, you know, exactly. It's like a weird new thing. But I will
respond to you, Ian, by saying we don't want violence. Violence doesn't work because the
establishment preys upon it.
it.
When you look at January 6th, it was everything the Democrats and the neocon ever-Trumpers wanted, because now they could justify everything.
And we've got a system of laws that say, oh, you got violent.
We got you now.
The truckers, it was amazing.
They were annoying.
They were annoying.
That was it.
People were annoyed by them.
A lot of people weren't annoyed by it.
They were just like dancing in the street.
They were having a good time.
What happens, though, is the powerful elites don't know how to deal with it because you're not doing anything.
It's like going outside of someone's house and just protesting, yelling.
It's like you're allowed to do it.
ian crossland
Well, but the noise violations.
You gotta be careful.
I do support a bunch of quiet, silent protests, which a bunch of trucks just stopped in the roads for miles.
jorge ventura
Think about the protesters like these truckers have been through so much Have been through all these crazy mandates and now they're seeing that anytime they crossed, you know into Canada.
sagnik basu
They're Technically this like electronic QR code, you know for them enough is enough and I don't think honking is the worst thing in the world not just that like as journalists we focus on narrative imagery binaries like think about imagery of the State of the Union going on and
God bless Biden's speechwriters because I don't know what he's gonna talk about
But State of the Union going on and at the same time all these truckers outside the capital just blocking everything
so that's like Like a... that's a good...
That's an optic.
That's a binary in front of you right there.
Whatever, like, Biden cooks up at that speech, I don't know what he will, but there are people who are just literally saying, stop this stuff.
We need to go back to what it was.
tim pool
Can you imagine if, like, for the State of the Union, Joe Biden just comes out 100% honest, and he's like, in my first year, my policies have driven massive inflation, high gas prices.
We have a new war forming in Eastern Europe.
Afghanistan was a mess.
ian crossland
They chose me to be here in the first place.
unidentified
We got a fentanyl crisis killing Americans.
sagnik basu
Ukraine right there.
ian crossland
I would love him if he did that.
tim pool
I agree.
If he came out and actually was just like totally honest with everything.
jorge ventura
I'd respect it.
tim pool
Yeah.
I'd be like, wow.
I think that would actually, in some respect, make him one of the best presidents we've ever had for just coming out and laying bare everything he did wrong.
ian crossland
I might be getting too old for this job, too.
I need you guys to know that I'm not who I used to be.
It's hard for me to talk.
I'm there with you, Joey.
tim pool
I want to go to bed.
Why am I here?
So I will respond to your point, though, Ian.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
Kennedy said that, and you fact-checked that for me the other day.
sagnik basu
And Gandhi.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I mean to be honest.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Gandhi protests.
jorge ventura
But even Black Lives Matter, for example, this is an example.
Let's just say they brought 100,000 people to the Capitol.
Nonviolent protests, peaceful demonstration.
They actually would have got a lot more done.
I mean fast forward to this year.
Black Lives Matter, I mean, to be honest, they really haven't got much done.
The only people that have really benefited are the founders like Patrisse Cullors, who are now richer than ever, got deals with Levi, got deals with YouTube, got, you know, buying mansions in Malibu, but everyone else hasn't got anything from it.
I mean, there's literally local groups all over the country, if you guys look it up, that are very angry with Black Lives Matter because they didn't do anything to actually fund their movement.
We even have Um, some people that, um, some mothers and fathers speaking out who's had their, you know, son or daughter killed by police who said, Hey, Black Lives Matter came and all they did was just grift.
Like literally they got rich and we didn't even see a dollar back into the community.
So even Black Lives Matter with their violent protests, even though the media was on their side, they technically didn't get anything accomplished.
tim pool
And you gotta understand, we're dealing with this overarching culture war.
Black Lives Matter had, for a long time, corporate support, institutionalized support, the vice president supporting, while they're burning down buildings and quite literally killing people.
Aaron Danielson killed in Portland by an Antifa guy.
You had the Antifa guy firebomb the ICE facility.
You had 30-plus dead in the George Floyd riots, and they still receive institutional support.
And then along comes some truckers and they honk their horns and everybody loses their minds.
And so I'm like, yo, I can tolerate honking.
And I think the fact, it really is to me just so perfect to show regular people when they're like, oh yeah, my business was destroyed last, you know, not last year, but the year before from the George Floyd riots.
Why are you complaining to me and using emergency powers over some guy honking his horn?
It's a slap in the face to the average person whose lives were destroyed.
that you're going to have someone come out and they're going to be like, noise is violence,
so we're going to crush you and freeze your banks. They do that, the mask comes off,
and you're going to have a lot of regular people. Although I will admit, I don't know how many
people are uninitiated at this point, but there's gonna be a lot of people questioning what's going
sagnik basu
Correct.
Like in a bubble, like in the news bubble, in the politics bubble, it may seem like pretty mundane to us that people, oh I hate the mandate, oh I hate the vaccine, I hate masks.
But if you think about it, a normal people say, and I throw around the word normie, like who doesn't care about all this, and he just comes across like the DMV and all these truckers are clogging up and he starts asking the question, what's up?
What's going on?
Why are these people here?
And that kind of like, sparks the discourse within that community and then they
realize that, oh hey, maybe the shelves are empty.
Why are the shelves empty?
Because the truckers are not bringing stuff across.
Why are the truckers not doing that?
Because they hate the mandates.
Hey, what's up with the mandates?
tim pool
But let's let's let me make one more point for you.
When everybody goes out and smashes and destroys things for the black for the George Floyd
riots, people on the right, people who are not even on the right, who had their businesses
destroyed, they're furious.
And all of a sudden now they are gifted an emotional release that has no long-term damage.
sagnik basu
Correct.
tim pool
They honk their horn and they feel better.
They get to express themselves and it can help things depressurize.
Because if you tell these people they're not even allowed to be noisy while the other rioters destroyed everything, then you're going to make violent revolution inevitable when people lose their minds.
ian crossland
I could see how what you guys are saying, like maybe that getting the wolf to snap at your hand and grab at the food is important to show people like, hey, it's not a puppy dog.
It's a wolf and wake people up that way.
Like the 1970 May 4th Kent State shooting, Vietnam protest, a bunch of students were out there and they're throwing rocks at the National Guard.
National Guard opened fire and killed four people.
And that shocked the country into awareness, basically brought about the end of Vietnam War, more or less.
You know, the song that was written about it was powerful too, Ohio, by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.
So maybe, but I don't want to see a bunch of people's lives get destroyed by some stupid Patriot Act.
tim pool
You're right, you're right.
And I think it's their choice to make.
And I also just want to say, man, you know, I mentioned other people get that emotional
release from it, but I got to admit me having watched years, a decade of rioting and the
right never comes out in protests.
And then finally, when they do for issues of freedom, they get demonized.
It feels good for me when I, when I watched truckers is going honk, honk.
When I'm tweeting the word honk in all caps, the people are saying the cure for clown world
is honking.
Well, it's just like, it feels good to be able to have something.
It feels good.
We don't want to get violent.
I think violence is bad.
I don't want to see people get hurt.
But man, is it frustrating to see the extremists on the left do all of this stuff and get away with it, and have the media lie and cover up for them.
And then you know what happens?
I watch some truckers piss all of these people off by honking.
No long-term damage to these people.
No one's getting hurt.
They're just getting frustrated and angry.
And it feels good, at the very least.
Like, thank you, we've expressed our outrage to you.
That frustration we've had, it allows people to laugh about it.
I think it's important.
jorge ventura
Yeah, one of the best parts too, I think with the Tucker, I mean with this whole Trucker protest, is that it actually exposes those who, on the left, who say that they're supposed to be pro-worker.
You know, remember, let's not forget, the left and the progressive movement, they're supposed to be the side on the worker, the middle class.
And actually, I was telling some people that, hey, when Me and Sonic produced this Zero to Zero documentary, if you would have watched this in the early 2000s or the early 90s, you would have thought liberals produced it, right?
Because we were taking the side of the worker going against Big Pharma, going against big corporations.
So what's happening with the truckers and the optics of the truckers, It's also exposing those in the left and the media who say that they are pro-worker or they're on the side of the little man, when now the little man's protesting and they're still being demonized.
So I think that's actually kind of the best thing to look for.
And also, we've never really seen the trucker movement ever uprise like that, right?
So like the Black Lives Matter, that's more young people, you know, maybe these anti-vaccine mandate stuff earlier were like, hey, these people are fringe right.
But these truckers are just regular folks.
I mean, you know, really, you know, my dad's a trucker, you know, so it's a guy that literally goes into his truck, works 16 hours a day, doesn't see his family for two to three months.
I mean, these people are the true working class.
tim pool
Well, so let's talk about your documentary.
You've got, like the truckers, you had these people who are considered essential.
They were heroes.
It was not just medical workers.
It was truckers.
It was first responders.
sagnik basu
Firemen.
tim pool
Firemen, but it was also people working at retail stores, right?
Yeah, then these mandates come out they fire the nurses They they mock the truckers and like you guys covered they they fire the first responders.
sagnik basu
It's not just like the firing of it It's more about the dichotomy of like two years ago you and I don't know maybe rightly so you held up Hey, these are our heroes.
And also, which I was surprised to while talking to a bunch of the nurses, they were like, actually, personally, I never liked being called hero and stuff like that, because that's what I do for a living.
The fact that they're acknowledging it right now kind of makes me really suspicious that by labeling us hero right now, they already are starting off with a political motive so that's one thing which I noticed and the second thing was like yeah that was like two years ago and now the same people who just said that hey it's my personal choice I don't want to I don't want the vaccine right now they were really cut off point blank and not only that there are like so many real little minutiae here and the nurses they had to wear different badges
in their hospitals, like a pink badge or like a yellow badge to let people know that, hey, I'm not vaccinated, which kind of invokes, uh, it's, it's super subtle.
Like if you think about it, like they're wearing a pink badge while everyone else is wearing their gen, like the, the default badge.
Cause like someone might come up to you and ask you, Hey, why are you wearing a pink badge?
Then you, by nature of the conversation are kind of forced to let people know that I'm not vaccinated, which kind of like infringes on your personal boundary.
So there are so many little things which no one talks about, but two years ago, these were the same people.
Firefighters, cops, grocery shop workers.
jorge ventura
The thing that me and Sonic talked about was, you know, we were surprised.
We were like, hey, where's these, you know, progressive journalists?
They're supposed to be doing this.
The Daily Caller isn't supposed to be taking the pro-workers side, technically.
It's supposed to be the progressive movement.
And one of the firefighters that we interviewed that stands out to me is Josh Sadly.
Josh Sallie is a firefighter for the Beverly Hills Fire Department.
Since October 1st, Josh Sallie has been placed on unpaid leave.
Till today, hasn't received a paycheck.
He has a family of four.
Me and Sonny got to meet his wife and kids.
And he hasn't received a paycheck.
The city has him in limbo.
As of right now, he's on pace to be the first firefighter fired in Southern California for not taking the vaccine.
And these are the stories That we wanted to tell the American people, say, hey, these are real people.
You know, I know you guys watch the LA Times and things like that, and they've been demonized as these QAnoners or anti-fackers.
These are, you know, real Americans.
And at the same time, the LA Times was praising these same people just a year or two years ago.
So we wanted to give them a voice.
And it kind of ties down to, you know, it ties to this trucker movement where the regular, you know, Average or working class citizen has been demonized from the media I mean since basically the beginning of the pandemic obviously you guys know 2020 the greatest transfer of wealth the poor got poor the rich got richer and it just seems like the working class doesn't have any voice and and really in any any media space right now you I mean you turn on MSNBC they were demonizing cheering I mean for me I think the the part that was most
I guess shocking was just seeing these progressives, what they call themselves, or people on the left, cheering on the firing of workers.
I mean, first of all, if a firefighter gets placed on unpaid leave, the progressive who was supposed to be the first one to say, hey, wait a minute, why is this worker being placed on unpaid leave with no type of core or date?
So for me, that's been the most shocking part, how no one wants to give first responders a voice.
And I highly encourage anyone in the audience, please watch the documentary.
It's called Hero to Zero.
We have our own website for it so it's hero20doc.com like that we could avoid any time a YouTube censor and please share these stories because like this we can at least combat that mainstream narrative.
ian crossland
I was thinking about how it's challenging for blue collar workers to have a voice it seems like in society and it's almost like it's built that way because if a blue collar worker starts a YouTube channel and starts getting notoriety all of a sudden they're white collar.
Now they're making money off their YouTube channel and they don't need to do their other job anymore.
It seems like the nature of giving a voice to anyone makes them white-collar almost.
jorge ventura
The thing is too, Ian, is 90% of the media is owned by these six large corporations.
So anytime you even want to start to tell real stories about Americans, those journals get cut off really quick.
They say, hey, wait a minute!
We don't want you telling that story.
We want you to fall right back in line and do this.
And the thing is, the problem with media in D.C.
and New York is these folks are stuck in their own media bubbles.
I mean, a lot of these journalists that live in Washington, D.C., they don't know anyone who lost a business during the shutdowns.
They don't know anyone's kids who fell under the depression or suicidal under school shutdown.
So they can never relate to an average American.
I think that's been my biggest takeaway.
sagnik basu
Yeah, I can attest to that personally.
I live in DC.
I'm in the quote-unquote journalism bubble politics Like I usually like hang around in like the Capitol Hill area downtown area, but I live in DC But if and only when I travel for work or for documentary purposes and I go to all these places where all these working-class people live It's also like so apparent to me that these people like the it's so bizarre to me.
tim pool
It looks completely different Take a look at this story from 2018 It's from GeekWire.
I love this because these construction workers are the actual working class.
They're laborers.
They do work.
They build.
They maintain the infrastructure.
workers are the actual working class.
Correct.
They have, they're laborers.
They do work.
They build.
They maintain the infrastructure.
These are the people who make the machine, you know, run on time.
And the people protesting Amazon are leftist, bourgeois intelligentsia acting like they're
the working class.
And this is what I think you guys, what you're working on, it really exposes this, this documentary.
When they come out, they say, oh, we support the first responders.
It's just hunger games.
It's when they parade around the victors and act like they care about these people.
They don't.
And then finally, when those people tell them, I don't want to do what you're telling me, all of a sudden it's war.
All of a sudden, you're the problem.
I love this video.
Construction workers and hardhats started chanting down the leftist college, you know, faux working class people.
Really expose them.
jorge ventura
Well, one thing too, Tim, really quick is during 2020, one thing that I try to speak out is in 2020, Amazon, I mean, for Amazon, this was brilliant.
You know, Amazon, all they have to do in 2020 is just, you know, if you go shop on Amazon on their website, all they have to put is, Oh, Black Lives Matter.
And all of a sudden, the progressive movement who's supposed to be pro-worker are like, wait a minute, Amazon's on our side.
You just, you know, they say Black Lives Matter, yet their own black employees can't even pay their wage or their bills.
You know, they have to live in their cars.
Their own black employees don't have any health care.
So that's one thing also these corporations have figured out is, hey, as long as we play this social justice message, we no longer have to attend to the pro-worker policies that the left wants.
ian crossland
Those are called platitudes, I believe.
Corporations offer platitudes.
tim pool
I think the activists left are basically some of this country's elite.
They really are.
I know there's a lot of college debt, don't get me wrong, but a lot of these people are the highest salary earners in the country.
Correct.
People with college degrees have, on average, the highest salaries.
They're just angry they're not billionaires.
ian crossland
You know, when I think about like around here, this organization, obviously what you do is the most important aspect here, but it's Ben Townsend.
The most blue collar, he's the guy that fixes machines, can code your computer for you, can like fix your computer.
Like that's elite.
sagnik basu
Keeps things running, yeah.
tim pool
The people who are working behind the scenes to make sure the infrastructure is operational, those are the working class people.
Not the intelli... Like, if I were to come out and be like, I think it's unfair what these people are doing.
I should get more.
The government should give me subsidies and abolish my debt.
It'd be like, what?
That's ridiculous.
sagnik basu
It's the thing which, like, the country has moved towards a point where people who work in the quote-unquote information economy, only they will be Cater to like if you work with your hands and stuff like that You are not part of the conversation like being like the whole trucker protest will never be as cool as black lives matter is like people will not put black lives matter people will not put sorry the trucker symbol as their profile photos as they put black lives matter
tim pool
There's not going to be a Freedom Trucker Plaza in DC.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
They're not going to spray Freedom Convoy on the ground.
Maybe in 80 years, but... I just want you to imagine something real quick.
I want you to imagine being a BuzzFeed employee, getting paid $50,000 or $60,000 a year to write listicles, and then go, I'm oppressed!
It's unfair.
I deserve more.
Meanwhile, you know what's funny?
For me, where I grew up, the way I've lived my life, the people I met, I was never surrounded by these ivory tower elites of New York City.
And that's the thing about journalists.
These people tend to be, especially in New York, well-off from families who are moderately well-off.
They get access to colleges.
Many of them have debt, for sure.
But the reason... So here's what happens with these media jobs.
In order to get a job in New York, working in media, because they pay so little to start, you need your parents, for the most part, to subsidize you.
sagnik basu
Exactly.
tim pool
And so what happens is all of these news organizations are basically trust fund kids, or something to that effect, and then they're sitting there... Look, I gotta tell you, man, there are people who work at BuzzFeed who get paid 50, 60 grand a year.
50, imagine getting paid 30 to 40 dollars an hour to write about a list of 10 cats that have funny faces.
And then to say, I'm oppressed.
Yo, I got some dirt that needs tillin' so we can eat food tomorrow.
Why don't you come and shovel it and learn what work is?
jorge ventura
No, and if you remember last year, me and all these other reporters that were on the front lines, we got attacked by the Intercept.
And my biggest takeaway was like, wait a minute, so we're getting attacked by a journalist who just sits in his Manhattan apartment, who's been given a job because his parents were in Ivy League, to reporters who are on the ground actually talking about the destruction to working class communities.
I'm like, that's actually media right there.
It's just a great round of how it's these elite journalists who've really never had to work hard.
Mom and dad knows everyone in the industry.
And then they get in and they make, like you said, 50 to 60K, 70K, just sitting in a Manhattan apartment.
And the thing is, they're not even on the ground reporting.
They're just reporting from their laptop.
That's why they love the lockdowns, because they can have wine delivery Uber Eats.
tim pool
And then I love it when they're like, help, help, I'm being harassed on social media.
It's like, oh, too bad.
Yeah, man.
It's crazy what the internet has done, and we didn't expect this, but this is one of the things it's done.
All of these journalists create these online groups, and they all talk to each other, and they're the epitome of ego.
That's what it is.
They all think they're the most important people in the world.
It's their job to tell people what to think and what to believe.
They think they are the most important people in the world, and they look down on the trades.
They look down on working-class people.
They look down on the people who actually do the jobs to make this machine work.
I think it's them.
sagnik basu
Like, even if they're like, like, I don't know, like to play the devil's advocate, like, I would think like they would probably think differently if they like, you know, traveled or like went outside DC, New York, California, and actually met people.
They're probably good people, but they just haven't met anyone else who doesn't partake in the information economy or the creator economy.
tim pool
I somewhat disagree.
I mean, I understand what you mean by they're good people.
I think they could be good people.
sagnik basu
Yeah.
tim pool
But I do want to differentiate.
There are journalists, real ones, who travel around, go on the ground, interview people.
You know, obviously, we have journalists at TimCast.com.
They're not this.
I mean, a lot of them, you know, we're living out in West Virginia, so we understand what work looks like.
And there's a lot of journalists who actually go to these foreign countries, go to Brazil, go to Morocco or whatever, talk to people and see what the world is like, and they get it.
But we have this issue now where the money is to be made in flashy clickbait listicles and ten reasons to hate Donald Trump and why Donald Trump is a fascist.
And that's the kind of media they produce.
So they sit in New York, like you guys mentioned, they're in their apartment, they don't even go to work half the time, and they just type away, here's why I think Trump's stupid.
And they get paid to do it.
They call themselves journalists when half the time it's opinion.
ian crossland
I like that Eleanor Roosevelt quote, I think, that great minds talk about ideas, mediocre minds talk about things, and weak minds talk about people.
I find that I've kind of engraved that into my soul.
I get almost guilty talking about people.
Like, what a waste of time.
Why are we wasting our time?
With this low quality conversation.
But I also, I took it so extreme that I stopped completely talking about people.
And that's a mistake.
Because we need to gossip about each other's egos if we're going to manage society.
It's a bunch of egos together.
sagnik basu
Keep each other in check.
ian crossland
But it is not the focus.
And when I see CNN making it the focus, that's when I'm like, no, no, no, no.
That's why I don't even watch it.
And so it's sometimes why I come off ignorant on this show when we talk about what they said.
I don't care what, I mean.
I want to know what they said, but it's really dumb people talking about dumb stuff.
tim pool
I'll give you an example of what I really don't like, and it's just me personally.
If you like it, by all means, you.
But you look at some of these YouTube channels, a lot of progressives, even some conservative, and it's like just ragging on someone.
Like people making videos specifically about, you know, this one guy I don't like and naming him.
Within reason, it's fine if you're talking about Joe Biden, the president, or Congress.
You're talking about our system of governance and the individuals who have that power.
That I understand.
But when it's like gossip, you know what I mean, like you're talking about, I'm not a fan of that stuff.
And I'll give you an example.
The other day, we were talking about texts I get from Congress.
I'm not going to say their names.
It's not them I care about as a person.
It's the idea of what they're doing.
It's the actions they're taking that I have an issue with.
Because the way I see it is, With even with Joe Biden, you take Joe Biden out of the presidency, any Democrat can replace him and do the exact same thing.
And that's a bad thing.
So we sit here if we if we put all our attention on just Joe Biden, why he's bad.
And then we you know, he leaves and then Buttigieg gets in, it'll be the exact same thing.
jorge ventura
No, I completely agree.
And then, I mean, just talking about the, uh, the kind of click-blady stuff, a lot of the kind of left-wing channels really focus on, you know, Hasan and Sam Seder.
You go on their channel, it's all about, oh, Tim Pool said this, Tim Pool said that.
So one of the few people on the left that I actually respect, and I think that he's, what he's doing has been crucial for the kind of movement on waking up people, is actually Jimmy Dore.
I thought, you know, I'm thinking Jimmy Dore is actually, even though he, you know, he calls himself a, you know, Democratic Socialist or Socialist, He's been on the right side of the issues when it comes to free speech, when it comes to this anti-vaccine mandate stuff.
He's telling his viewers, he said, hey guys, if you're a true populist on the left, then you would never agree with any of this stuff.
It's supposed to be pro-worker to not take the side of the corporations.
So he's actually one of the few on that side that's on the right side of this.
tim pool
He's honest.
sagnik basu
Yeah, not just that these progressive creators and realize the pattern, right?
So they know what kind of content if when I if and when I make Gets incentivized by YouTube or Twitch whatever platform they're working with, right?
So they know for a fact that if they quote-unquote punch up right, you know punch up a temple punch up at at Joe Rogan, for example, they know that there's no way that YouTube's not gonna push that content up, right?
So that whole system kind of, it's like a feedback loop.
It keeps feeding itself.
ian crossland
The names become part of the algorithm.
sagnik basu
Correct.
tim pool
Oh yeah, absolutely.
There was a really fascinating thing I was reading.
I don't know who was saying it, maybe it was you.
They said that they were watching a video where a kid said, they were playing like Fortnite, and the kid said, whoa, he almost just unalived me.
And the reason the kid said unalived is because if you say kill, YouTube down ranks you and hides your content.
So kids are changing the way they speak to iPads.
ian crossland
That's brainwashing humanity, man.
tim pool
That's dangerous.
Yes, it is.
ian crossland
Teaching kids to be counter-dependent on ideas is so, so bad.
You need to focus on the idea and then focus on a different idea that's better than that old one, not on hating the old one.
tim pool
I think actually this would be a really good idea.
We should, we should task someone with writing shadow English.
A way to speak on YouTube that bypasses the algorithms.
ian crossland
That's like the plot of 1984.
Part of it.
sagnik basu
There's like a second dictionary, dictionary to get monetized.
You can't say any, any of the dodgy words and all the words.
jorge ventura
That's a good idea.
sagnik basu
Like that, that no, none of the funny words exist on that dictionary.
And then you are safe for your whole life that your videos will make money.
ian crossland
What if you're like, this is the new alphabet, written by Alphabet, and they give you a new alphabet.
sagnik basu
Brought to you by Google.
ian crossland
A, B, and C are no longer letters.
These are the new letters.
jorge ventura
I've been seeing a lot of political YouTubers, like, let's say, you know, they're talking about something controversial.
They always have to say at the end of their controversial take, hey guys, just want to let you know, the CDC says this, and, you know, we're going to go by this.
I mean, they only have to say that to not get banned, but that's where we are right now in society.
tim pool
I mean, YouTube has editorial guidelines you have to follow.
I don't see how they should be protected under Section 230 if they issue editorial guidelines.
If you issue editorial guidelines, then you are certifying what is being published.
sagnik basu
I have a friend who runs a bodybuilding channel, and he was trying to talk about Arnold, and he said, Arnold Schwarzer N-word.
tim pool
No, for real!
unidentified
For real!
tim pool
You can't say his name!
ian crossland
No, you can't.
tim pool
Keemstar had this issue happen where he said the word, and I'm going to be very careful how I say it, E-.
jorge ventura
Yeah.
tim pool
Girl.
When you say that fast, it sounds like a type of n-word and he got demonetized.
And he posts and he's like, look at what, cause the, the YouTube caption system had him saying a specific.
sagnik basu
Cause it's auto generates captions.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
tim pool
Because it's, I don't, he said, she said she's an.
E dash girl.
ian crossland
Now I get it.
tim pool
And when you put that all together very quickly, the YouTube, you know, captioning system thought that was a racial slur.
ian crossland
So the caption, is that the official transcript of what the AI is getting?
tim pool
I wouldn't, I don't know if there's a direct correlation between the AI that's like, I don't know if the AI that captions the word is the same that flags the slurs.
What is it going on?
ian crossland
Cameron Ritchie McGinnis, ladies and gentlemen, gesticulating wildly.
sagnik basu
He's trying to be a good caddy.
lydia smith
He is a very good caddy.
ian crossland
Getting a beer for somebody?
tim pool
I think if one recognizes the word, the other, whether there's a different one or not, that's it.
ian crossland
I would imagine it would flag it to the other program.
tim pool
If there is another program, it might be the same one.
jorge ventura
Yeah, another big thing too was on January 6th, you had kind of some, you know, left-wing media groups like Status Quo, where all they did was actually just live stream what happened on J6.
Like literally no commentary, no opinion, like literally just video.
and YouTube would demonetize their account, but then Status Quo would then sell that same footage
to CNN and MSNBC, Fox News, and then YouTube would prop up those accounts.
So that's another thing too, where it's like they're also aiming
at independent news channels, whether you're left or right, they're coming after you.
And that was one thing that I was pretty shocked by, where Status Quo, the same footage that they're getting
banned and getting strikes on YouTube, they sell it to CNN, and then YouTube props up
CNN's channel.
ian crossland
Yep, the same content.
They won't ban it on CNN's version.
jorge ventura
All they did was, I mean, all they did was live stream.
I mean, I'm talking about no commentary, no this and that, just straight video footage.
And you know, they obviously put it on YouTube because it's a moment in history and they sold it to ABC News, CNN, MSNBC, and they came out and said, hey guys, we're getting banned and demonetized for the same footage that we sold to the mainstream guys.
But the mainstream guys actually get propped up by YouTube.
ian crossland
I'd like to know in like a conversation with YouTube admins or Google admins, Is it that you believe CNN is more valuable and more legitimate, or are you just kind of like, you know they're trash anyway, but you're just playing along because that's where the money is?
tim pool
Well, Ian, what was it you said yesterday that everyone said you rolled a 20 on?
ian crossland
Like eight things.
tim pool
The first one.
unidentified
I don't remember.
tim pool
You said something about a liberal economic order.
ian crossland
Oh, the liberal economic order.
Yeah, and I looked into that a little bit last night, too.
tim pool
I don't want to go off on a tangent.
I'm just saying, you know, you're asking a question about why CNN is being propped up Oh, it's part of the Liberal International Order, the U.S.
ian crossland
rules-based economy.
tim pool
Could it be that there is a cabal?
jorge ventura
Shocking!
ian crossland
That they created literally in 1946, that Eisenhower told us, hey, we created a military-industrial complex, FYI.
jorge ventura
That's why I love Eisenhower, because he just blatantly was honest about it on his last speech.
ian crossland
And almost like, I'm so sorry, but in order to prevent World War III, we're going to be the world police now.
tim pool
Sorry.
ian crossland
Don't let it get out of hand, because it's about to.
tim pool
Imagine where we would be without YouTube and Facebook and Twitter, though, to be honest.
Whether it was intentional or accidental, whatever happened, we, using the internet, got a lot of voices, were able to come up, speak up, gain access, get the microphone.
They may be freaking out about it now, but the cat's out of the bag, and I don't think they can restrain it anymore.
I mean, they're trying really hard with censorship, but look at Rumble.
The censorship is being broken and people are finding a way through.
ian crossland
Satellite internet.
That's very promising.
We'll be beaming video from Mars to Earth.
jorge ventura
It's also an interesting time in journalism and news because for the first time ever, I think in our history, the corporate press doesn't have total control of the narrative.
And I thought one of the biggest examples of that was the Kyle Rittenhouse situation.
And, you know, obviously I was getting, you know, media requests of, you know, Fox News and all these channels.
And anytime I would go on, I said, obviously what's going on with Rittenhouse is a big case for self-defense.
We know that.
I'm not trying to understate that.
But, in my opinion, I thought it was a bigger case for how important that independent journalism is.
Because, you know, if it wasn't for all those guys on the ground on, you know, that night in Kenosha where it was Hulu Rosas or BG on the Scene or Drew Hernandez, We would be stuck with the corporate media narrative.
And I think for me, the biggest thing that I was shocked by was the amount of people, even during the Rittenhouse trial, that were contacting me or messaging me saying, Hori, I thought Rittenhouse killed black people.
I just found out that he didn't.
I'm like, that information's been out for a whole year.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story from ABC News.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Ahmed Arbery Day.
That's right.
Holiday officially celebrating the second anniversary of the death of Ahmaud Arbery.
February 23rd will be permanently recognized as Ahmaud Arbery Day in Georgia.
They say the Ahmaud Arbery Foundation, a mental wellness organization focused on black men that was founded by Arbery's mother, Wanda Cooper Jones, announced the nonprofit will offer six $3,000 scholarships for higher education opportunities to seniors from Arbery's former high school.
Now I want to start by saying, that's fantastic.
If they're going to give money for kids to scholarships, I'm not a big fan of colleges or anything like that, but if they're trying to genuinely help people, I got no issue there.
But talk about the psychotic cult world we live in, in which Ahmed Arbery is getting a holiday for him.
Look, maybe I'll be one of the few people willing to call out, as it should be called out, but during the Ahmaud Arbery trial, so we just had the three individuals in question, McMichaels and that other guy, they're convicted on federal hate crime charges.
You've got a story that is very clearly nuanced and contentious, and it is not as clear-cut as the establishment and mainstream media tried to say.
The fact is, the narrative of a guy jogging down the street was a total fabrication, a lie to manipulate people, that brings us to a point where now we're having a holiday for this guy.
Look, I'm sad the guy lost his life and all that stuff, but it's not so simple.
We can say the McMichaels were wrong, the guy who filmed all of it happening, I don't know why he's going to prison, but sure, fine, whatever.
The fact is, this is the level of insanity in this country.
ian crossland
I gotta say, so the guy with the camera went to jail I think because he had a car and he was behind him and they thought he was part of like pinching the guy in, like blocking the guy in.
Okay, if that guy's going to jail for using his car as a weapon, think about these truckers.
If they go around D.C.
and pin the president in while he's trying to give a speech.
tim pool
Oh, come on, come on.
ian crossland
Yeah, come on, come on, but look what they did to a Montgomery victim.
jorge ventura
No, it's a totally different situation.
ian crossland
It totally is, isn't it?
Yeah, the guy with the camera's in jail because he had a car there.
tim pool
Yeah, that's complete.
ian crossland
50 feet away from it.
tim pool
And what was the reason he went to jail?
ian crossland
Because they said that he was part of it.
tim pool
We're having a conversation about Ahmaud Arbery.
ian crossland
It's a little off topic.
tim pool
It has nothing to do with truckers.
ian crossland
Well, the camera guy shouldn't have gotten, went to jail.
I don't think that guy should have went to jail.
He was there, but they said that he was pinning Ahmaud Arbery in, basically.
He was, he was like blocking him from running, getting away.
tim pool
And he in no way coordinated with the other man, but it didn't matter because we live in a psychotic cult reality where lunatics, the inmates are running the asylum.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how he got this day faster than George Floyd did.
tim pool
Yeah, what's up?
Is there a George Floyd day or not?
jorge ventura
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't even know if there's even a George Floyd day.
Yeah, but the fact that Aubrey got it quicker than him, I think... Look at this.
tim pool
The Georgia General Assembly passed a resolution on February 2nd to permanently declare February 23rd to be Ahmaud Arbery Day.
Yo.
I don't know.
Look, man.
I'm all about justice.
I don't like racists.
If a group of guys are chasing down a dude who's jogging because he's black, I want to see justice.
If they kill him, lock those people up.
You go to prison for that, but that's not what happened.
The media lied about everything.
And you know what's funny is conservatives, many of them, not all of them, but a lot of them are complicit in pushing this narrative.
And it's fascinating.
We've heard it before, but I genuinely think a lot of Republicans, they try and act like they oppose the Democrats, but they're so worried about what the left thinks of them.
sagnik basu
Stepping out, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so, I mean, what, we see Fox News, we saw even, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, I guess she's a progressive, but all of these people are coming out being like, see, what happened here in Georgia was right.
And I'm like, what?
How are you going to come out and be like, what happened to Kyle Rittenhouse was wrong and the media lied and now believe the media on this story when it was just patently false, what happened?
The story is, I'll simplify it for you, a string of robberies in a neighborhood.
Gun gets stolen.
Police go door to door saying this is the guy with an image of him.
He's seen on security camera footage entering someone's house.
The prosecutor said that makes him a felony burglary suspect.
Under Georgia law, you can citizens arrest someone without probable cause or with only probable cause without actually witnessing it if they're committing a felony.
Based on the judge's jury instruction, he said, I don't know, you figure it out.
And so the jury decided to go the other way and say they needed to be witnesses.
That's the nuance here as per why these guys got convicted.
Were the jury instructions correct?
But the story about a guy jogging down the street?
Complete lie.
Complete lie.
And now the Georgia General Assembly is giving this dude a statewide holiday?
Whatever, man.
ian crossland
Wasn't the guy wearing work boots?
tim pool
Yeah, something like that.
Wearing work boots.
They said he was jogging.
I mean, come on.
You know what it is?
It's that.
ian crossland
Literally ABC says he was killed while jogging in this same article.
jorge ventura
There is several witnesses that came out and spoke on record that they suspect that it was a mug because they've already kind of seen some of the previous behavior leading up to that moment.
tim pool
That it was a what?
jorge ventura
That they believe that it was Aubrey doing some of the trespassing, according to some of the neighbors.
It wasn't Travis Berger.
Yeah, Berger.
tim pool
So I made this mistake and we had a lawyer on.
We had, I think it was Andrew Branca as well as another lawyer.
I can't remember.
Who did we have on with Branca?
Which one?
Who else?
Anyway.
Was it Cash?
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
And he was a prosecutor.
So, I said trespassing.
And they said he wasn't a trespassing suspect.
When you enter someone's... So, I'll tell you guys what we're dealing with.
We had a guy drive past two no trespassing signs, up a thousand foot driveway, and then enter our house.
That is, I think it's, what is it, fourth degree burglary?
That's it.
When you break a barrier, when you cross a barrier, it's burglary, at least in Maryland.
So when they're saying this guy was trespassing, no, no, no, no, no.
Trespassing is if he stepped on the grass and a sign said no trespassing.
Then they can be like, you knew the sign there, you shouldn't have done it.
By entering the building, it was now felony burglary.
So look, don't think the guy should be dead.
Don't think we should have a holiday for him either.
I mean, this is crazy.
ian crossland
They're encouraging communities to quote, run with Maud by running 2.23 miles annually on this day.
This is from the article.
Literally, if the guy is actually running from a burglary and they want to make a day, encourage people to do like a run with the guy who was running from a burglary he just committed, like how upside down is this?
Reality that they I mean confused like that.
jorge ventura
I mean, I don't get it I mean if you want to have a I was like a holiday for like a Malcolm X then of course But this is they're putting up statues of George.
tim pool
Well, let me tell you guys something This is a story that blows my mind What?
ian crossland
You're probably going to say something that's going to blow my mind.
tim pool
There was a building with a mural of George Floyd wearing a crown.
jorge ventura
Oh, yes.
tim pool
And a storm.
There was there was there was it was partly cloudy.
And a single lightning strike hit only the mural on the side of the building where George Floyd's face was that blew up, blew off only the outer portion of the wall.
The inner wall remained intact.
The roof was undamaged.
Witnesses saw the lightning strike.
It was reported by meteorologists.
How the does that happen?
ian crossland
Metallic paint is all I got.
tim pool
But only the George Floyd?
ian crossland
I guess, I don't know.
tim pool
The whole building was a mural.
ian crossland
Like if they just painted his face with some sort of metallic paint, and they just blasted off all the metal?
tim pool
Or, I don't know man, but the roof wasn't damaged.
And the lightning typically strikes chimneys!
ian crossland
I don't want to glorify people because they got killed, I want to glorify them because of what they did in their life.
And if they happen to have been killed unjustly, that's a big part of it.
Rando people that got offed is not... Like, we celebrate... Okay, thank you.
You pointed it out.
You celebrate Malcolm X for what he did in his life, not for getting shot.
It's what he did in his life that matters.
tim pool
But look, man.
They tear down statues of Hans Christian Hegg.
They tear down statues of great civil rights leaders.
Even Frederick Douglass.
jorge ventura
Teddy Roosevelt in New York City.
tim pool
They took that one.
ian crossland
One of my heroes, man.
tim pool
But Frederick Douglass?
That dude's amazing!
Yeah, he is.
One of the most epic Americans in the history of this country.
He challenged Americans.
This is the pre-Civil War era, he said.
Are you going to live up to the words you wrote in your own constitution?
And that's like, smack down, yo.
Like, do you really believe?
I can't stand hypocrisy.
If you're going to come out and say, all men are created equal, we believe in civil rights and liberty.
He's going to be like, okay, I challenge you to uphold that.
It's brilliant.
And they tore his statue down up in Rochester.
Now they want to put up holidays for George Floyd, statues and murals, holiday for Ahmaud Arbery, and the Georgia General Assembly votes this in?
jorge ventura
I don't know if you've seen that one story, Tim.
It was actually the Daily Signal.
One of our good friends, Mary Margaret, broke the story.
There was a Catholic church that had a mural of George Floyd, but as a saint.
I was like, wait, wait, what are we doing now?
ian crossland
He had five drugs in his system, according to the coroner.
jorge ventura
Yeah, yeah, and they had George Floyd as a saint.
tim pool
He was chewing a speedball.
The dude should not have lost his head.
ian crossland
Driving his family around high.
unidentified
Come on, the guy was behind the wheel of a car, high as hell.
sagnik basu
All this movement to, like, name a day after Ahmaud are putting sane before George Floyd, this just takes, whatever you think of the cases in this case, Just takes the nuance out of the discussion like five years from now ten years from now when you look at a statue of George Floyd or realize that oh today's Ahmaud Arbery day Then you probably by default start thinking that they probably must have done something like like good in their life
ian crossland
Or maybe you know they didn't and you're like, I want to be a saint.
How can I become a saint?
sagnik basu
I want to be like that guy.
So what it does, it just whitewashes the whole incident or just again, like removes any sort of like gray point, gray area from the discussion.
Like these were good people who were killed unjustly.
That's it.
tim pool
Let's play a game.
Trayvon Martin's story, initially reported.
sagnik basu
Boy.
tim pool
Lies.
In fact, I can't remember which media outlet it was, they actually edited the 911 call from George Zimmerman to make it seem like he was racist.
You remember that?
jorge ventura
Yeah.
tim pool
They asked him, George Zimmerman says there's a suspicious looking guy, and they ask him what race is he, and he goes, I think he's black.
They cut that part out, so it's just George Zimmerman saying, a suspicious looking guy, I think he's black.
Like, that was the sole reason.
They play these games.
They claim Zimmerman's a white dude.
He's Latino.
Then you've got, let's see, Michael Brown.
Hands up, don't shoot.
Not true.
Right, what else do we have?
We have, obviously, Ahmaud Arbery.
He was just jogging.
Not true.
George Floyd.
Not true.
Footage gets released.
sagnik basu
Breonna Taylor.
tim pool
Breonna Taylor.
Not true.
None of it is true.
These people are evil.
They are liars.
They are trying to manipulate you.
Yeah, people are.
take power. They do these things because it is part of their psychotic culture revolution.
Look, we can look at it like a zombie horde, an aimless horde of people who are doing random
things for no reason. That may be the case. But if that is the case, then there is a chaotic
malignancy growing in this country that is gutting it and destroying it.
Yeah, we we have traditions for heroes like Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman, who
did amazing things that we are all proud of and brag about.
Yo, we had people going out like Harriet Tubman was apparently a badass.
She had a gun and she was super well-trained with how to shoot and everything like that.
Leading people to freedom.
And we're like, that's what we care about.
We care about freedom.
Frederick Douglass, as I already explained.
These are the statues, I think.
Hans Christian Hegg was, my understanding, he's not even American.
He fought for the North because slavery was a moral evil.
He died when he was 30.
They tore his statue down.
It has nothing to do with racism.
It has everything to do with erasing and destroying our heroes, our champions, our traditions.
ian crossland
It's called e-racism.
tim pool
This stuff just, man, it makes my blood boil.
ian crossland
I think if they had been honest about George Floyd having all those drugs in his system and behind the wheel of a car with his family in the car, it would still be equally as tragic and worth talking about, but it would be a different conversation.
We'd be talking about drug addiction and how that is a big problem, fentanyl addiction.
tim pool
Oh, we gotta give an honorable mention to Jussie Smollett.
ian crossland
Oh boy. Oh man. That's a big surprise.
sagnik basu
That's a big surprise.
ian crossland
Congrats, Jussie.
sagnik basu
I'm shocked he hasn't gotten a Netflix series yet.
unidentified
Is he not in prison?
tim pool
Can we... hold on a minute.
jorge ventura
I'm surprised CNN hasn't given him a role.
tim pool
How come no one's done...
How come no one's made a Jussie Smollett story?
Have they not?
Like... like...
Too soon.
Assuming the story's real.
You know how they're doing the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air drama?
sagnik basu
Oh, I heard, yeah.
tim pool
That's so ridiculous.
sagnik basu
The smaller thing was embarrassing on multiple levels for them to sugarcoat it.
unidentified
I know.
sagnik basu
I just think.
tim pool
You know, can we fund this?
Can we do like- Like a satire out of it, yeah?
No, no, no.
Totally legit dramatization of his story.
Like, as if it actually happened.
sagnik basu
Frame by frame, like him getting out of the subway and the guys pulling up.
ian crossland
You might need to change the names, and then I think you'd be okay.
tim pool
Juicy- J-Dawg.
Juicy Smoolyay.
sagnik basu
J-Dawg.
We'll call this guy J-Dawg.
unidentified
J-Dawg.
ian crossland
Smoolyay.
tim pool
And I guess it would be better if we did it as a parody, because then like he's in Chicago at 3am, it's 20 degrees out, and then like two fat deliverance kind of guys are like, look at this pretty boy.
Walk up and then it's like, he's like, oh no, it's Trump supporters!
And they're like, GO TRUMP!
And then they start attacking him or whatever.
jorge ventura
I wouldn't believe the more we just said that Kanye attacked him at 2 in the morning in Chicago.
I'm like, that's more believable honestly.
sagnik basu
Kanye's being out of pocket shit all the time, yeah.
tim pool
But it is!
I mean, at least Kanye's from the Chicago area.
He has a reason to be there.
sagnik basu
He's also bipolar, so you don't know.
He probably walks the streets in the middle of the night.
tim pool
Yo, man.
At a certain point, I'm just like, do these people really believe this stuff?
Do you see that Canadian MP who said that Honk Honk is an abbreviation for... Oh, like High Heeler?
I don't even want to say it.
sagnik basu
Oh my god.
What?
tim pool
Yeah, that's what she said.
And I saw that and I'm like, dude, no sane person believes that's true.
And anybody who claims to is lying to you.
jorge ventura
And also that's like offensive to Jewish people too.
unidentified
It's like, Oh my God, there's a Jewish drug driver.
jorge ventura
So I feel like that's also offensive to the Jewish community.
ian crossland
Big problem with demonizing language.
I would love to not do that.
Do you think we can make all the words okay again?
jorge ventura
No.
ian crossland
You know, we're never going back now.
jorge ventura
Really?
ian crossland
You think the humanity is that lost?
Their language has been that distorted forever?
tim pool
Dude, look at what they're doing to the Spanish language.
jorge ventura
But think about it, Ian.
Even in this conversation, we can't say certain words.
ian crossland
And I guess I'm already brainwashed to think that words mean certain things and they don't really have to.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
Like, just because I was told that English means what it means doesn't mean that it has to mean that.
tim pool
Sure, but words are basically tools to describe things.
So if we all agree racism means something, it's so that we can convey ideas to each other.
The left plays semantic games on purpose to confuse you so you don't know how to communicate properly.
It's kind of like this.
You're fighting someone, right?
If you are the Honorable Samurai, then you approach honorably from the... Actually, no, no, no.
Let's do this.
The American Revolution.
You are the British regular approaching the battlefield with honor, and the Americans are hiding in the brush, and they jump out and just ambush you.
That's what the left is doing.
They're doing guerrilla tactics in politics.
They are trying to make sure you are confused and tripped up and don't know how to engage.
ian crossland
And it seems almost random.
Like one day a new word will have some other connotation or be associated with it.
tim pool
Or my favorite is Wimixin.
sagnik basu
Oh boy.
tim pool
Yeah, you remember this?
They changed women with an E to an X and they said it was inclusive.
sagnik basu
How do you even say that out loud?
What'd you say?
tim pool
Wimixin.
jorge ventura
Wimixin?
tim pool
So like, so no, it's Wim, Wim, W-O-M, accent.
So Wimixin.
Wimixin.
sagnik basu
Confusing as hell.
tim pool
So it's, you could say woman, or you can say Wimixin.
They also said you could say Wiminks, which makes no sense because it would be Wimskin?
jorge ventura
Wimixin.
tim pool
That's so funny.
jorge ventura
Could you imagine being a guy at a bar and you just walk up to a girl like, you are the finest Wiminexin I've seen in this industry.
ian crossland
You are speaking my language.
tim pool
So check it out.
Imagine you're fighting someone, right?
Here's what we're doing in this political battle.
We're approaching Right up front, we're walking right up to them and saying, here's my argument.
And then all of a sudden, some guy jumps out from behind us with a bolas and throws it and tangles up our feet and we fall down and they run away laughing.
They're playing these games.
Remember when the Brett Weinstein thing happened up in, was it Seattle?
ian crossland
Evergreen College?
tim pool
Evergreen College, yeah.
Just outside of Seattle, I think it was, right?
And when the administrators were trying to talk, one of the students goes, don't wave your hands at us, it's racist.
So he stops and then they all start laughing at him.
They're not serious people.
They're playing a power game.
And so they'll say, oh, Latinx, Latinx or whatever.
Like, no, no.
Like, was it 3% of Spanish people identify with using those terms, using those words?
jorge ventura
What does that even mean?
No, I mean, that's like the funniest thing to me, because it's like, you know, obviously I'm Latino, but just being, you know, just, I couldn't even imagine some, like, white liberal going up to my dad and being like, you're a Latinx!
And my dad's like, uh, okay.
tim pool
You speak Spanish?
Yeah.
Can you speak Spanish putting an X at the end of any gendered word?
Like, if it's going to have an O or an A, it's got to be X.
I don't even think you could even do that, but... It would be the most insane thing ever to try and speak that way.
jorge ventura
I mean, it's just, the Latinx thing is probably the most funniest thing to me, because it's like, you have these white liberal kids who go to college at these universities telling working class Latinos what they should be called, and these Latinos are like, you know, you're like, hey, you're a Latinx, they're like, um, look man, I just gotta get back to work, I gotta pay bills, I don't, I'm not even, I'm not even in this discussion, like... No, they just go, gay?
tim pool
Why are you talking about that?
ian crossland
What is it?
What is Latinx?
jorge ventura
So it's a, I mean, I would, I guess it's a term made by, uh, by white liberals, white Germanic language speaking liberals.
sagnik basu
It's like a version of taking the non-binary out of it.
Uh, so you can't say Latino or Latina.
jorge ventura
Spanish language is very gendered.
For instance, if you say, this is mi hijo.
That's my son.
This is mi hija.
That's my daughter.
So everything is like that.
Everything is gendered.
So it's so weird that, I don't know why they wanted it.
Why not make the Asians say Asian X or something?
I don't know why.
tim pool
Hey, you know what?
I want to say this too.
I want to say, I think that Spanish is sexist.
Against men.
You know why?
Let me ask you a question, Jorge.
What does niñas mean?
jorge ventura
It's girls.
tim pool
Like little girls?
jorge ventura
Yeah.
tim pool
Like children?
jorge ventura
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, what does niños mean?
jorge ventura
Like little boys, boys.
tim pool
Or?
jorge ventura
Niños?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, I see where you're going.
tim pool
What else could it mean?
jorge ventura
It could also be kids.
You could also be like, hey, these are los niños.
You could be like, oh, these are kids.
tim pool
So let me ask you, if there was a group of 10 boys and 10 girls all playing, how would you describe that?
Niños?
So hold on a minute.
You mean to tell me that in the Spanish language girls get their own special words and can use the masculine as well?
Well, that sounds like they get special privileges, special descriptors that the males don't get.
I'm kidding, by the way, but you see the game.
ian crossland
Is there some value to removing gender from the language?
tim pool
How?
ian crossland
Well, Mussolini was like, the national river of Italy was feminine.
And he was like, no, it is.
We are strong, masculine country.
And you change it to a masculine word.
And then they changed the word.
Is that necessary?
That kind of psychological power.
In Arabic, they actually change the language when they talk to a girl.
They use different words for women.
sagnik basu
Oh, I didn't know that.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Me, me, me, gotics, bocus.
Like, what are you going to do to get rid of the gendered language?
Like, just change the word?
unidentified
Got.
sagnik basu
I don't know.
Me, me, got.
tim pool
My cat.
ian crossland
You can use the same word.
Like, you don't have to.
No, no, we have different words for man and woman.
tim pool
Who cares that Latin romance languages are gendered?
ian crossland
Well, like you said, it says if there's a boy and a girl playing together, you'd refer to them as with the male word.
It's kind of like, why?
Why even have it there to begin with?
tim pool
Then what are you going to say?
Children, like just, but that's, that's, that's, you see, like, this is the problem with the progressives telling Spanish speakers, the words they have to use because they're politically incorrect.
ian crossland
Where does it come from?
It comes from Latin, right?
The, the gender stuff.
tim pool
So, so, uh, like even French and Italian and Portuguese, they have gendered language as well.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's all comes from Latin.
And that was a highly patriarchal society.
I don't know.
Maybe there's something to it.
tim pool
Maybe the progressives are right and Spanish people should just speak the way they're told.
ian crossland
Maybe the Romans built the Catholic Church and patriarchal language on purpose.
tim pool
How is this not the epitome of white supremacy that white wealthy liberals are telling working class Spanish people that their language is wrong?
ian crossland
Yeah, it feels pretty white knight-y.
jorge ventura
That's why I'm glad the polling shows it only has like 2-3% support.
But it's not working, and it's a huge turnoff.
ian crossland
As a native speaker of Spanish, have you ever thought that's weird or anything?
jorge ventura
I mean, to me, it's completely normal.
I think, I mean, like I said, I mean, I've been raised like that.
It's a completely normal thing.
Yeah, I mean, that's, to me, like I said, the Latinx, I mean, all it does is actually just hurt the left side because it just turns off those voters.
And the polling, you know, shows that.
And I think a lot of people forget that a lot of these immigrant families, whether they're coming from Latin America or from China or India, They're even more conservative than your American conservative.
So when you push this type of language, it's a huge turnoff.
And then all of a sudden those same parents are like, wait a minute, this is a little weird.
And then they put their kids in public school.
And then now they see that their kids are being taught, you know, transgenderism and kind of sexualized education.
It's a, it's a huge turnoff.
And that, that one thing that me and Sonny kind of investigated a little bit last year was, All that, all that, you know, sexual education or Latinx and stuff like that, that actually led to the Republican win in Virginia for Glenn Youngkin and that parent, that parent uprising.
I think if you watch mainstream media, you would have thought like, oh man, all those parents in Loudoun County are white supremacist parents.
The majority of them are like Salvadorian and Indian parents who are like, we don't want this.
sagnik basu
It looks like Jersey up there.
tim pool
Do you guys remember, I think it was in Birmingham in the UK, a bunch of devout Muslims came out to protest the schools, because the schools were doing LGBTQ curriculum.
And that created a really weird conflict, because then all of a sudden you had these LGBT activists coming out, walking up to niqab-wearing women, being like, we're doing this for you!
And they're like, we hate you!
Stop this!
sagnik basu
And it's just like, I don't I have been to Birmingham and it's the funny thing like when you walk the streets there are like particular areas where you can tell that Bangladeshi people are like Muslim people live here and they live their own lives they don't want to be bothered they have their own little small mom-and-pop shops and they send their kids to the same public school where the rest of the Birmingham people go and they just want to be left alone right and up comes the like in UK public education is completely completely different
than the states insofar as that thinking of like LGBT stuff and thinking about you know races like
race stuff is so part of their curriculum right from the get-go so but these people are not used
to that so when you try to teach a Bangladeshi second generation kid that hey you got to use
this language hey you can't say that thing hey there is no boy and girl and he comes back and
tells his parents it's just like a whole different environment like you think that that stuff is
awkward in the states but in UK there is like Like, mmm.
No conservative political ground up school movement like turning point or whatever in UK.
So like there's no representation of like the other side of thinking.
So the immigration, the immigrant population is just like in a really like no man's land there.
ian crossland
I was thinking, firstly, odd that the British Empire is not pushing back against this stuff.
I would like to see them do it.
tim pool
No, it's their policy.
sagnik basu
It is legit their policy.
ian crossland
Why is it their policy?
But what's happening, maybe a lot of these activists, the people that are pushing these things, are childless people trying to parent Other humans, because when you're an adult, your kid starts crying.
I know you're sad, I know you're upset, but I'm doing this for your own good.
And they may actually be doing that, because you're taming a wild one.
You're basically like, you can't eat all this sugar, I know it's sad, I know it sucks, but trust me.
So these people are doing it for other people.
I know it's not the language you're used to, but trust me, it's for your own good.
Have some kids.
Gain some humility.
Stop trying to control people.
tim pool
I was thinking about this, like, why don't you just let the kid eat the tube of cookie dough?
No, no, for real.
ian crossland
Because it's addictive.
tim pool
No, no, because a kid would barf all over himself and be like, I never want to do that again.
ian crossland
No, but then they keep eating it.
They go back to it like a dog pukes and then they keep eating it.
tim pool
I learned my lesson, man.
I remember I moved to LA and I was hungry and I ate a whole pizza to myself.
And I was like, that was so good.
And then I got sick and I was like, I'm never doing this again.
Oh, I made a mistake.
And I was an adult when that happened.
ian crossland
Oh, I made that mistake as a kid over and over and over again.
tim pool
But I think there is a point there.
It's because it's what we've said before.
The socialists don't have kids.
They have yours.
sagnik basu
Correct like if you think about it like from that analogy like you treat your family as Like a commune right you treat your friend group as a socialist circle The wider you go the more right-wing think you go like you treat the country as like you want to get the best out of people so you want There needs to be a capitalist structure.
But for someone who doesn't have a kid, or a family, or friends for that matter, they want to enforce their control over the next immediate group of people that they see.
And in this case, that's the rest of the citizens of the country.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's probably naturally satisfying to have a little bit of communism, a little bit of socialism, a little bit of capitalism.
sagnik basu
Correct, yeah, because you have a right side of your brain and a left side of your brain.
You need that balance just to be a functioning human being.
And you use the left way of thinking for the people who you actually care about or you have something to share with, like the people from your same religious circle or your friends or your family.
But the people who you do not know, like strangers, you just want the best out of each other.
So you think of them like, hey, let's be symbiotic and you get the best out of me and I get the best out of you.
And there's money involved.
So there comes like a capitalist way of thinking.
But if you don't have any kids, family, or like a religious circle, you don't have anyone to use that left way of thinking on.
So you subject that on the rest of the people.
tim pool
Have you guys seen those groomer bills they have in, I think it's Florida banned them.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It was like, you know, the schools wanted to like, you know, groom children into various ideas or whatever.
I'm saying that very specifically.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm using the phrase groomer on purpose because what the left is really effective at is propaganda.
And what they're saying is they're calling it, don't say gay.
jorge ventura
Oh yeah.
I heard of that.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
You've heard of that.
sagnik basu
Wait, what was that?
I don't know that.
What's that?
tim pool
So it's just, there are bills saying that schools shouldn't be having sex ed for kids as part of the curriculum.
It should be something special or not in schools at all.
It should be something that parents decide.
And my attitude on it is like, yeah, I don't know, the parents should figure out if they want to talk to their kids about this stuff.
So the left has very...
They're good at this stuff.
They call it the Don't Say Gay.
So that's clearly not what the bill is.
But now, all of a sudden, that's what the left is putting out there.
And when I say groomer bill, you guys are like, huh, what's that?
It's because the right is ineffective at messaging.
They don't have any of that stuff.
But in these schools, indoctrination is the key to what the left is doing.
They don't have kids, they have yours.
Which means, if they can get your kids to believe whatever they believe, in 20 years, this country will be whatever their ideology is.
It's starting with millennials.
All this stuff rising up.
jorge ventura
And you're right on point, Tim.
We actually did, me and Simon, we produced our second documentary, it was called Indoctrination Nation, where we looked at critical race theory in the state of Virginia, specifically Loudoun County.
One of the things that I was shocked about was that these kids would be like 12 years old and they'll go to the library and their librarian would tell them, hey, you should read this book.
It's called Rick.
And Rick will be a story about a girl who then transitioned into a boy.
And all this is happening without the parents' knowledge.
It wasn't until those kids come actually home and say, hey, mom, this is what I learned.
And then the parents look at it like, wait, wait, what?
So it's a little bit of actually actually that it's that you know indoctrination at a very young age And it's doing behind the parents back also in in my home state of California We had a state assembly member by the name of Scott Weiner who actually is introducing a bill which actually might pass which is scary a bill that's gonna lower lower the age of vaccination consent down from the age of 18 and Down to 12 years old.
So could you imagine that?
If you're a 12-year-old or 13-year-old, if your mom says you can't get vaccinated or, you know, because obviously she's your parent, but now you could finally go behind your parents' back and still do this and give more power to the state.
tim pool
You know, look, I gotta say, I blame a lot of the parents. 100%.
Uh, I can't tell you how many stories I've heard where it's like, I sent my daughter to college and now she hates me.
And it's like, why would you do that?
Why would you not pay attention to what you were doing to your children?
Look, I get it, man.
These cult weirdos are the problem.
I gotta say to parents out there, you didn't look into the school.
You didn't go and visit.
You didn't ask about the curriculum.
You didn't check in on what other people are going to the school are doing and what they're planning and what's happened to their lives.
You're not doing any research.
It's crazy to me how many parents are like, I just put my kid in school and forget about it.
And then when their kid comes back, I'm like, I can't believe you're learning this.
Did you not take any active role in what's happening to your kids?
sagnik basu
That version of, for lack of a better word, helicopter parenting is kind of a privilege if you think about it, right?
unidentified
So if there's... Wait, helicopter parenting?
sagnik basu
For lack of a better word, I said.
tim pool
I'm not talking about parents micromanaging their kids' lives.
I'm talking about their parents knowing about the college they're sending their kids to instead of being like, I signed the paper, bye.
It's like, shouldn't you be like, I looked into these schools, here's what I think is best, good luck to you.
sagnik basu
That's fair.
But what I'm trying to say is like, that's not possible for, you know, a family who's just trying to get by or like a single mom who's working a job already and who's just sending their kid to public school expecting that everything's going to be an autopilot.
Like, that's not possible for her.
tim pool
Where did this idea come from?
Because it's a new idea that you could use schools as a daycare center and you weren't responsible for what... Oh, I thought the schools, the government indoctrinated... I thought the government's institutionalized learning facilities was going to teach my kid to be responsible adults who got good jobs.
Did it ever occur to anybody that when the government is subsidizing an institutionalized learning facility, the number one function of any entity is to preserve itself?
So they're going to indoctrinate your kids to want to preserve their machine.
If you want your kids to retain your values, you are responsible and no one else.
And if you send your kids to these colleges, you are responsible for them coming back with shaved heads and like pierced eyes or something.
sagnik basu
But like, what would you say to a mom like that who doesn't have any other option than to send her kid to a public school?
tim pool
Um, I think that, uh, the challenge today is how luxurious we all live.
Excuse me.
Go back a hundred years, this wasn't an issue.
You know, well, maybe a little bit more than 100 years.
jorge ventura
I would say even when I was in high school it wasn't an issue.
I mean, I wasn't getting taught the stuff that these kids... I mean, I was just basic stuff.
tim pool
You were still in an institutionalized learning facility.
Absolutely your teachers had liberal lefty values.
Even going back 20 or 30 years, conservative parents put their kids in schools and the kids came out liberal.
It's just that liberal has gone further and further left as of recent history.
And the internet has really accelerated this.
But there was a period where parents didn't have refrigerators, didn't have cell phones, didn't have the internet, didn't have cars, and life sucked.
But, as much as it did relative to today, they would take responsibility for their kids, their kids would work with them.
The problem now is, when someone says, I have to have a job, well, it's because you want to maintain modern living standards, which I totally get and respect.
Who wouldn't?
Who wants to go live in a cave and try and forage for berries?
Not to mention it's really hard because property is basically owned by everybody.
But there is the big challenge.
The system is ossifying around you to such a degree you will have no choice but to send your kids to institutionalized learning facilities where they will be taught to hate you, hate everything about you, and your family, and your history, your country, and your culture.
And if you don't like it, too bad because your job is more important.
Living in a house with air conditioning and a refrigerator absolutely is more important.
And I mean that.
You're going to starve to death, you're going to have no food, you're going to have Dirty drinking water and live on the streets?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You're going to have to live in this system as prescribed.
And that means the state will own your kids.
Unless you can figure something out.
Unless you stand up and you vote.
And like we saw in Virginia, Youngkin, you know, comes in or whatever.
So I'm not saying it's the end.
It's not.
I'm just saying.
This is the system that has been built all around us, and it is a terrifying one because how do you escape it when you are trapped in it?
You can't just go to the woods, as much as I might jokingly say, like, get out there and go to the forest.
I mean, like, you literally can't just live off the land anymore.
It's owned by everybody.
There's rules, there's laws and regulations.
If you are well off enough and you save up enough money, you can buy land in the middle of nowhere.
It's not impossible.
You can buy a house out in West Virginia for $100,000.
You get a loan, you put down $1,000 if you get a good loan.
There you go.
Move out there, you'll work a lot more.
Life won't be as easy, but at least you'll know your kids will retain your values and won't come back with their heads shaved believing insane things.
ian crossland
I was looking at the history of public education, modern education in the American system.
It comes from a guy named John Dewey.
He was one of the founders of what's called the progressive education movement.
And he believed that schools, this is from Wikipedia, that were not only a place for students to gain content knowledge, but also a place for them to learn how to live.
So to this day, the schools are still teaching people, kids, how to think.
And I agree, teaching kids how to learn is important.
But when you're teaching them how to think, as in like how to be racist, I think the aberration has grown bigger than the product at this point.
jorge ventura
You know, I mean, I think, you know, maybe I'm wrong, but at the end of the day, all this still goes down to the parents.
So, you know, even if, you know, at the end of the day with the world that we're living in here in America, you're going to send out your kids to this, you know, whether it's woke as leftist stuff at school, work, it's, it's going to be all around them.
So it's up to the family to kind of build those, those structure and values before you kind of head out to the real world.
That's just my opinion.
I think, you know, what my parents did with me, I think helped me out.
So when I went to the real world, saw some of this stuff, I'm like, oh no, F that.
So like when I went out to the real world, one thing that was getting taught a lot when I was in community college was the white privilege thing.
So, you know, I would have white professors or white, um, other students tell me how I'm oppressed.
And I'm like, No, I'm not.
My dad's an immigrant who escaped the Civil War.
He just taught me that I have to work hard and that's how I get ahead.
We're not not ahead because we're not white or anything.
So I think at the end of the day, no matter with all the propaganda around us and everything, it still just comes down to mom and dad and the values that you're getting taught in your household.
ian crossland
Yeah, I can't imagine that the school's job is to teach people how to live.
Come on, John Dewey says the school is the place for them to learn how to live.
That's the parent's job is to teach their kids how to live.
jorge ventura
I mean, to be honest, I never heard the word white privilege until I was like 19 years old, 20 years old.
Just because it's just my house, I was never taught that.
You know, my mom and dad were like, hey, you have to grind, you have to work.
My dad, the mindset he taught me was first one in the office, last one out.
So when I was raised like that, I just never heard the word white privilege.
I didn't even know it was a thing until I was like 19 years old in community college and the kids were like, hey, Jorge, you're in community college because of white privilege.
And I was like, No, I'm not.
I just, you know, I just mess around in high school, and that's why I'm here, and I deserve it.
ian crossland
I see value to organized education, because I imagine before John Dewey was around, that it was just madness.
Like, one schoolhouse would be teaching this, the other would be teaching this, they'd say the word means this thing, they'd say the word means that.
So they developed a centralized authority that basically tells us, like, this is the official information.
But now you see how horrible that can become when they feed you crap.
sagnik basu
Another thing which the Conservatives left the ball was this whole concept of they will get reality checked once they graduate and face the real world.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
sagnik basu
Because that never happened for most of these kids.
tim pool
I was wrong about that for sure.
I was saying that.
And what happens is they get out and they all stand around looking at each other going, the world isn't the way it's supposed to be so we're going to force it.
sagnik basu
And the way we're going to do it is by taking over the HR departments of corporate America.
And that's what gets overlooked so much.
Like people try to find cause and effect.
That's the cause right there.
tim pool
Well, the laws.
Look, you've got the civil rights law, which we like, but they take it to the extreme.
They say, you know, one of the arguments put forward by the left is about separate but equal when it comes to race.
And then they say all of those arguments pertain to gender as well.
So if the argument was that, you know, different races were different, therefore they get equal access to a bathroom, but there's different bathrooms based on race, why the same for gender?
If the genders are equal under the law, how can you say separate but equal?
It's an argument actually being made by the left over the gender issue.
And based on the interpretation of the law, they have a legal argument.
So there has to be a reinterpretation or there has to be a judicial review or something.
But so long as these laws exist, they will exploit them in ways they were never intended.
They will change language to retroactively change the laws without any real democratic process.
Look, these cult members are good at what they do in terms of the military system.
sagnik basu
They're really good.
If you think about it right now, it is almost synonymous to a layman.
There's no difference between equity and equality.
People just throw around the word diversity and equity like it means nothing.
It used to be when I was in school it was diversity and equality and I knew what those words meant and I know what equality and equity is and what the difference is.
tim pool
Equity is communism.
sagnik basu
Yeah, equity is equality of outcome and equality is equality of opportunity.
It's as simple as that.
But right now, to a layman, there is no difference.
unidentified
Right.
sagnik basu
Because the left has been so, so, so good at messaging.
ian crossland
I think equity, I think of finance.
It's equities, ownership of assets.
sagnik basu
Ownership of assets.
That's everything.
tim pool
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Christopher Knowles says, JBP, that's Jordan Peterson, said a while ago that most government officials in Canada make decisions strictly based on polls.
10% poll swing towards conservative and now they're backpedaling.
Think there are any similarities in Biden-Harris's regime?
Yes!
How quickly do the polls come out saying people were pissed off and all of a sudden they start changing and pulling back on mandates and stuff like that?
jorge ventura
Yeah, the mandates started dropping, the masking kits started dropping.
A lot of similarities.
sagnik basu
DC changed like that, literally.
DC used to be all sad and gloomy with the vaccine mandates and the mask mandates.
The vaccine mandates in DC dropped like Yeah, I would say, like, the band-aid dropped in, like, 130 days.
jorge ventura
Legitimately.
unidentified
Sold.
sagnik basu
Here's one.
tim pool
Eriftas of Stet says, I can't wait for Tim to sell the naming rights to Ian's
room in the new compound.
I'd name it the Gorilla Room.
Alright, Ian, your room is now for sale.
jorge ventura
Sold.
tim pool
For 50 bucks?
ian crossland
I own nothing.
I just do it for fun.
tim pool
Well no, he super chatted 50 bucks.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
So Ian's room is now officially called the Gorilla Room.
ian crossland
I'm so happy.
I was gonna call it that anyway.
tim pool
We need to figure out who made this awesome sign.
ian crossland
This sign right here.
Yeah, who made this?
tim pool
It was sent to us.
ian crossland
Who sent these to us?
unidentified
I love these things.
sagnik basu
That's pretty clutch, I like it.
tim pool
We need to get one that says the Gorilla Room so we can put it above Ian's door.
ian crossland
Yeah, at the Gorilla Room.
The Gorilla Room.
tim pool
Someone already made the Twitter account.
ian crossland
GorillaRoom.com is what I thought.
tim pool
Gorilla Room.
Just pictures of Ian.
ian crossland
Gorgeous.
tim pool
All right, here's a good one.
This is omgpuppies says, Cernovich is warning people not to fall for Democrat honey traps like the U.S.
trucker convoy.
Do voter registrations stay away from dubious protests?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It's a good point.
ian crossland
Cerno and Jack Posobiec have both kind of echoed that sentiment.
tim pool
It's a good point.
You want to be effective?
Voter registration like Scott Pressler's been doing.
jorge ventura
Oh man, Scott's killing it.
I don't know anyone who's doing it at that level.
tim pool
I mean, he's going to single-handedly win Republicans' elections by registering people to vote.
jorge ventura
I don't know why the GOP doesn't do anything with Scott.
tim pool
Because they're the party of no ideas.
The Democrats are the party of bad ideas.
ian crossland
Yeah, Scott's the guy, man.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I don't know how the GOP doesn't just contact them and be like, hey, show us what you're doing, we'll help you, whatever resources, but they just decide not to reach out to this guy and he's killing it on, he's everywhere.
I mean, you just check his Twitter, he'll be like, I'm in Pennsylvania and I'm touring these five cities, I'm in Texas, I'm here, I'm here.
Um, but I'm 50-50 with Cernovich on that because it's like, I feel like you still need the non-violent protest and you need to show that workers are uprising, but I do get it that it could be possibly infiltrated.
Who knows, man?
It's a tough call.
tim pool
Alright, we got Lord Blueberry the First.
He says, Tim, my wife was your brunch server the other day.
You hooked it up and she wanted me to send you a huge thank you.
This is correct!
We went out to a very fine establishment for brunch with the crew.
That's cool.
That's nice.
server just she said you know she's like I want to let you know that you know my
husband's a huge fan of your show and I was like oh man thanks so much I really
appreciate it we gave a we gave a nice tip that's nice hook it up I always I
always tip it really really well cuz I'm a communist well what we should do is
ian crossland
tip the whole staff because if as a waiter when a really rich person would
come in all the waiters would be like we'd be like piranhas wanting that one
person and whoever got to wait on them would get a big tip and everyone else
would be really angry at the server and it would create a tense tenseness at the
And the kitchen crew needs some of that cash too.
They deserve it.
tim pool
I once tricked Luke. It was really funny. I was like, we were at a restaurant and Luke was, you
know, we had two separate bills because Luke was covering him and some of his friends and I was
covering the crew. And then he was like, it was one, we had one service, like how much are you
going to tip? And then, and I was like, I'm going to tip big. And he was like, well, I'll tip,
you know, half of whatever you do. And I was like, all right.
So I did this massive tip and then Luke was like, and they had a bunch of money.
But now we go to these restaurants and servers like run out.
They're like, that's the crew.
I want to help.
You know what I said, man, when I was a kid, I said, my goal is to get to the point where I can tip a waitress a ton of money.
You know, like there's somebody who's working an honest day's work.
You know, maybe they're having a bad day or something, and you're like, I'm gonna make your day one of the best days ever.
ian crossland
Dude, it's like, you could give them five days of work and one tip.
Like, what ability for them to get a buffer to do something they love with their life?
tim pool
For five days.
I always tip mad crazy at restaurants.
ian crossland
Yeah, me too.
Over Christmas holiday, I was just unloading tips.
tim pool
And I try to leave before they see the tip.
jorge ventura
I try to tip good though, where I was tipping greatly was during the lockdowns and I had to go to these barbers that were basically giving these black market haircuts.
So anytime I was getting a black market haircut, I'd tip the guy like five times.
tim pool
We got Luke in the chat.
Luke says I still did it.
unidentified
And then Luke was like, I love it.
ian crossland
We got to start tipping somehow tip the whole staff, but I'm afraid that if you give the
tip to like the manager, they're going to pocket it.
So you got to make sure everyone sees their, you have to tip the whole stuff.
Like person to person, to person, to person pissing me off.
And they're like, this chef can't take tips.
And you're like, you know what?
Get out of my face, dude.
tim pool
I was at, I was at a local grocery store during, uh, I think it was Thanksgiving.
And there were people there working.
And we were picking up a bunch of snacks.
I think it was Thanksgiving.
And I was like, look at all these people working.
They're probably getting paid very little.
I was like, I'm gonna give them all a hundred bucks.
Like, there's like four or five people who had helped me out.
I'm like, so I walked up and I was like, can I give you guys a tip?
And they were like, no.
And I said, I was like, okay.
And there was a guy bagging and he was like, they can't tip us?
And they were like, no.
And if you take it, we'll make you give it back.
And then I was like, all right, man, I just wanted to give you guys a tip.
ian crossland
I think you can give them a gift though.
Technically, legally, you're allowed to give gifts.
I believe you can write that this is officially a gift and not a tip.
And I've seen it.
Someone tweeted out a picture of it and it went viral on Twitter.
tim pool
I was thinking like, I was like, I wish I could just tell that, you know, that 16 year old kid who was bagging groceries and they said they wouldn't let it do it.
I was like, I wish I could just offer my, you want it, you want to, you want to mop the floors here.
We'll pay you twice as much as they're paying you because screw that, that's BS.
Right.
If I'm a customer and I come in and I appreciate you guys working on the holidays and I want to pay you extra, I should be able to do it.
They wouldn't let me do it.
We should read some more Super Chats.
We got Isaac Lux.
He says, I haven't heard you mention Transnistria, a disputed area in eastern Moldova housing Russian troops on the southeast border with Ukraine.
Look up Simon Whistler's video on Geographics for more information.
That's interesting.
I didn't know about that.
All right.
Arduick says, don't think that the truckers won.
Trudeau declares emergency.
Parliament delays vote.
Until Trudeau clears protesters, parliament votes to back the emergency.
Trudeau cancels emergency.
Precedent set.
Perhaps.
But I think their polling is going to be hurt.
And I think a lot of people, it's like, confidence is everything.
If one day everyone woke up and said, Trudeau needs to be out, he'd be out.
So if they shatter confidence by doing this stuff, it's a dramatic shift and they know it.
Absolutely.
jorge ventura
And like I said, I do think it's a big deal that you actually had a president, like I said, President of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele, who stepped up and spoke out against what Trudeau was doing.
And I think that's going to be interesting as those diplomatic informations further.
ian crossland
But at least... The El Salvador thing is pretty interesting.
jorge ventura
You know, it is.
And like I said, it's fascinating to actually have a president come out and speak out against what Trudeau government did.
And I think it's going to be really interesting how we see that foreign policy play between those two countries as we go.
tim pool
All right.
R.D.
says Ian's salary based on the ones and twenties he rolls.
ian crossland
I would never take that gamble.
I just live life, baby.
tim pool
One day it's like his paycheck is massive.
Well, he didn't even roll in twenties, man.
unidentified
It was worth it.
tim pool
It was worth it.
unidentified
It's not worth it.
tim pool
Sam says, shout out to Viva Fry.
Timmy should have him on.
Viva is always welcome.
We're big fans.
And it's just difficult with the borders and stuff.
But anytime Viva can come down, we will have him on.
jorge ventura
Viva's a great guy.
I just met him at the James O'Keefe release party for his book.
But Viva's awesome.
He was so crucial in the Rittenhouse coverage.
ian crossland
I tweeted it out.
Of all the guests we've ever had on, the only one I fanboyed over was David Frey.
That's Viva.
I was just so excited to meet him.
He's like my age.
jorge ventura
Viva's cool.
tim pool
He's a cool dude.
All right, Hayden says, Josh Yoder with the People's Convoy talked to Ivory Hecker today and said that the convoy will not be going to D.C.
They have reportedly had feds already try to infiltrate the convoy and rile people up.
jorge ventura
That's interesting.
What I'm getting from my sources, because I've got a couple guys on the ground, is that they're not going to go into D.C.
proper, but D.C.
Beltway.
And I've got my good friends out there, Sergio and Anthony Cabasa, out there following the Freedom Convoy from California.
tim pool
Cenk Sautome says, Ian is hearing liberty or death for the first time in his life from people who actually mean it, and he's so state brainwashed he can't understand it.
ian crossland
But also, I'm on TV right now, so we have guidelines about what we can and can't say on TV.
I fully support the convoy and the momentum and the alteration of fascist governments.
I want to break down the Federal Reserve and reformulate our economy with something more, you know, at least opportunistically equitable.
tim pool
Adrian Contreras says, me, my roof is leaking.
Ian, the Federal Reserve.
I think the point they're making is that there's a lot of issues that are pertinent to working class people that aren't solved by these bigger, grandiose issues like this.
ian crossland
Definitely.
tim pool
All right, here's one that's really, really important.
Tattered Shield says, Tim, I have done what you said and got off the American dollar.
I have done nothing but buy Magic the Gathering goblin tokens for three days.
Oh God.
62,000 goblin tokens.
I never.
At any point instructed anybody to, let alone, get off the American dollar, let alone buy goblin tokens from Edge of the Gathering.
unidentified
But I do think... No, I'm kidding.
ian crossland
He will spawn 62,000 goblins in one turn.
tim pool
I mean, just so you know.
We have commander decks that can generate that many.
ian crossland
Kiki-jiki.
I mean, that's infinite.
I don't know if they're goblins though.
tim pool
Kicker, the bird dude.
ian crossland
Beanie Coins, too.
tim pool
He's the token generator guy.
I've actually had like, I've had to use like three 20-sided dies.
ian crossland
So sign one of those goblins, send them to the PO box, and maybe Tim will slip one in his deck.
tim pool
I saw a couple people playing chess today, and I was like, y'all gotta play Magic the Gathering.
Because there's more spice to it.
It's like chess, turn-based strategy game, but it's also like poker.
ian crossland
Not knowing what your opponent has is cool.
tim pool
Yeah, like you're trying to guess what cards they might be using based on the actions they're taking.
It's like chess and poker combined.
Good game.
And plus that new Neon Japanese set came out.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, Kamigawa.
ian crossland
It's a new Kamigawa set.
tim pool
Yeah, and it's like digital future Neon something or other.
Card games are fun.
I should make some more decks.
I just don't have time.
All right.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
once again says, Ian, sir, as someone who has done time and someone who has served in our beloved Marine Corps, I'll gladly get arrested for the freedom of our people.
ian crossland
Okay.
For the freedom.
That's very vague though.
You'd be, you know, planning is every, it's almost everything right now.
Uh, organization and planning is a big part of them.
And then the action comes after the organization and the planning is done.
tim pool
Howard with a great super chat.
Thank you for the super chat says first they came for roller 20.
It was not me.
Then they came for roller 15, not me.
Then they came for 10, not me.
Then they came for roller one Ian.
Then I said I should have honked.
ian crossland
Roll initiative.
tim pool
Wise words.
Caligula, what does it say?
Caligulove says, Ian, in the words of George Carlin, white collar, blue collar, it doesn't matter what color shirt you have on, the elites are screwing all of us.
jorge ventura
Or basically, as George Carlin would say, it's a big club and you ain't in it.
That's my favorite quote of all time.
tim pool
Brian Wisecarver says, I emailed SpinTheUFO at Gmail.
I haven't heard back from you guys, but I'm still recording and documenting everything while volunteering with the People's Convoy.
Let me know if you guys have any questions about it or want any first-hand information.
lydia smith
Yeah, so what I did with that was forward it on to Chris Carr, who is our editor-in-chief, I think?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There you go.
lydia smith
So he's got that information now, and I can send him anything more that you send to me.
tim pool
And we are coordinating coverage, but we've got to figure it out.
It's not super easy.
There's a lot of conflicting information, so we're trying to figure it out.
All right.
What do we got?
Casual Gamer says, hi, Tim.
I'm a meat wrapper with Safeway.
The company gave us hazard pay at the beginning of COVID, stopped six months later, and now giving it to us as back pay for the past six weeks.
$5 an hour extra.
That's cool.
unidentified
Oh, that's neat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
lydia smith
I think they're unionized.
jorge ventura
I like that.
lydia smith
Yeah.
jorge ventura
Workers first all day.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Right on.
All right.
Let's grab some super chats here.
Let's find a good one.
Do, do, do.
I don't think so.
Ami's great.
Ami's cool.
Boek Tim I love when you have documentarians on any chance you can have Ami Horowitz on the show
I would love to have Ami Horowitz Horowitz on the show.
Have we ever reached out to him?
unidentified
We should You know
tim pool
Richie Richie's over here like I got a man. I'll call him right now
Richie hiding in the back of his digits this guy I knew that Richie was here cuz the skate park is directly
beneath where I where like my like work office and everything is and
And then all of a sudden I hear banging and someone fell.
And I was like, oh.
jorge ventura
Yeah, Richie and Andy are ripping it today.
tim pool
But to be fair, I then heard, ah!
And I was like, okay, Richie's here.
He's downstairs.
unidentified
Yeah, he did.
Richie within like two minutes was like, you guys ready to skate?
Yeah, he was ready.
ian crossland
Oh, there's some solid video of Richie tearing it up on his Twitter right now.
tim pool
Oh, really?
jorge ventura
Yeah, Richie was killing it today.
tim pool
Man, you should have got here early so we could have you launch off into the six-foot airbag.
Yeah, dude missed it.
You can come by the weekend and we'll get it set up.
We've got some smaller ones coming too so you can launch really high into smaller airbags.
It's gonna be fun.
Yeah, Andy did a front flip today.
It was cool.
lydia smith
Amazing.
Yeah.
tim pool
LeCharles says, Ian, if people don't want to be annoyed by protests, maybe they shouldn't live downtown of the country's capital.
Still love you, or do I love hating you?
ian crossland
Probably both.
Scratching an itch, you know, feels good, but you don't want to do it too much.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
There is a point.
ian crossland
Put some water on it.
It'll stop itching after about 20 seconds.
tim pool
Could you imagine, Ian, like, you know how many protests are in DC, right?
ian crossland
No, actually, no.
Like a yearly?
I don't have any idea.
unidentified
500?
ian crossland
I don't know.
sagnik basu
There are some permanent ones.
Like if you drive by downtown, Capitol Hill area, out to the Washington, out to the White House, there are like 6 who never move.
Period.
There's this guy who has the earth in his sign and he just holds that all day, all night long.
jorge ventura
No, I was going to say, too, Sonny, there's like, you know, there could be random days in D.C.
where, like, you're driving to work and you'll be stopped by, like, six climate protesters.
tim pool
If you live in your nation's capital, you are surrounded by protests nonstop.
sagnik basu
Always.
ian crossland
I wish they knew that making an Internet video channel is the best form of protest because you're going to reach magnitudes more people than standing outside and holding a sign.
tim pool
Yeah, Rumble is where it's at.
So we're talking about, you know, how we're going to expand and what the plans are.
And, you know, until we get Pop Culture Crisis, Cask Castle, and Inverted World more sustainable, we're not going to be launching.
We're not just going to start launching off crazy shows until we get work done on these.
So make sure you subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube.
Follow Brett Dasovic, who hosts the show, as well as Miracle and everybody else on the show.
But if we do anything else moving forward, it's probably going to be on Rumble.
So, some stuff will be on YouTube for sure, but if we're thinking about doing live gaming, it's gonna be on Rumble.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, because Twitch is too risky.
Someone asks you a question, you passively are playing, you know, I'm playing Forbidden West right now, Horizon Forbidden West.
I love this game.
Zero Dawn was fantastic.
And you're playing and someone asks you a question while you're playing and they're also in your band?
Screw that, just do it on Rumble, man.
Rumble's where it's at.
You know what, I should probably just stream it because I play for like an hour every day.
sagnik basu
You should, yeah.
And on Twitch, I mean, while gaming, people say out-of-pocket shit all the time.
And on Twitch, you might just get, you know, yanked for like no good reason.
tim pool
Yeah, they temporarily banned Destiny because he said Kyle Rittenhouse defended himself.
It was like someone asked him a question and he said it and then they... Yeah, Twitch is nuts.
It's Amazon, what do you expect?
jorge ventura
Yeah, I miss the old days when I was like 13, 14 on the Call of Duty.
And I mean anything to fly, man.
You can hear all things about your mama on those chats.
lydia smith
You learn about your mother.
unidentified
Yeah, you learn about your mama on those chats.
tim pool
Matthew Gill says Tim's cat shall now be known as Buckix.
lydia smith
Buckix?
tim pool
Buckix.
Because the O is gendered, so Buckix.
jorge ventura
Oh, right, that's right.
lydia smith
Got it.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Simulated Dave says, saw some We Are Change and Free Honk Honk merch out at Atalanto today.
So encouraging to see TimCast reaches the hellscape that is Cali.
Follow ViewFoundMedia on IG.
TimCast inspires me to make new content.
Hey man, glad to hear it.
lydia smith
Amazing.
tim pool
It's always cool when I see people wearing the shirts, because we have a shirt at TimCast.com called Join the Cult.
Yeah.
But it says, join the city urban liberal types, but C-U-L-T is in red.
And then it's Kent, our animator's version of the meme where the two guys are like doing the soy mouth and pointing behind them.
And then it's like the city's being destroyed by aliens and Godzilla and they're like, oh, and it says join the cult.
I think it's a funny shirt.
But yeah, people have been buying it.
We never did like a strong promotion for that shirt.
We just put this stuff up and people are buying it.
So that's really cool.
Appreciate you guys buying the shirts.
Love it.
All right, we got this one here from Anno.
I think Ian had too much sugar today because you are just rolling fives way too much, bro.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, but five is actually better than people are saying one.
ian crossland
It depends on what your bonus is.
A one is an automatic failure.
A five, if you get a plus 19 to your roll, is a 24.
So you can get a lot accomplished with good bonuses.
tim pool
High stats.
And I do think it's really funny that 1 and 20 basically mean agree or disagree now.
ian crossland
It's so polarized.
I love that we're creating this polarized system for people.
tim pool
People didn't used to say very simply, I agree with what's said or disagree.
So now if someone says something on the show, you'll get 300 ones or 20s.
unidentified
We might have cracked the culture code here.
tim pool
How to do instant polling?
ian crossland
I think we broke through with the critical 20s and failures.
jorge ventura
Yeah, we did, huh?
ian crossland
Tapping into the amygdala.
tim pool
Oh, here we go.
David Shroutman says, I hear you're having trouble buying electric guitars.
I build them.
How about I build one for the show?
Love your work.
Keep up the good fight, Tim.
I'll email you if you're interested.
Yeah, I was actually looking at some individuals who craft guitars because I was thinking like maybe we get a like a Timcast unique signature guitar that we would, you know, use for shows or maybe like two of them.
ian crossland
Timcaster?
jorge ventura
What?
tim pool
Timcaster.
ian crossland
Is Telecaster like proprietary?
Timcaster?
tim pool
I think we can say Timcaster.
ian crossland
Call it the Timcaster.
tim pool
I think we could.
ian crossland
Should I not have said that out loud?
Yeah, I could do it immediately.
tim pool
Tim Castner.
ian crossland
Somebody lock that in.
tim pool
That's great.
Everyone's posting 20s now.
So yeah, David, email spintheufo at gmail.com.
David Troutman.
And let's get a guitar built.
Let's make it fancy.
Can we get it made out of some ancient wood from an old temple?
ian crossland
Dragon bone.
tim pool
Dragon bone.
ian crossland
Oh, that's cool.
Aluminum, made of petrified wood.
tim pool
Petrified milk cartons from a meteorite.
ian crossland
Put like an amber gem in the neck or something if you can.
No, I'm just kidding.
tim pool
Dasher says, Tim, what do you think about Beanie Coin?
Credits to the chat.
unidentified
I don't think we'll be doing Beanie Coin.
ian crossland
We were talking earlier on a meeting with the ONF, our charity, Open Network Foundation, talking about creating crypto and whether or not it would be better to use one that's already been created.
tim pool
Mine's token.
ian crossland
The Minds token?
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Or like an array of tokens that have already been created?
Because creating one brings in SEC regulations, and then it's almost like it's another business completely.
sagnik basu
Correct.
tim pool
So I think with the ON Foundation, you know, for those that aren't familiar, the goal is to make uncensorable networking technology.
So you can have your own member website, like Locals or Patreon, but it would also network with other sites.
No one would have the ability to ban anyone else.
You would have the ability to ban someone from your site.
So like, if you're on an unfettered network, so let's say you go to Ian's website, there will be a portion of it where you can see other people's networking through his site.
Like, you'll see his posts on your site, people can see your posts on his site, depending on what kind of server system they're using.
So it's basically decentralized social media tech.
But Ian could be like, on my website, I don't want to ever have Tim's content come up and could like lock you out.
That's how the Fediverse works.
So that's our plan there.
I think Mines token works because they're already an established social network with a crypto that's valuable.
It's like, what, $3?
$2 to $3?
ian crossland
Yeah, it fluctuates somewhere.
$1.5 to $4, I've seen it at.
tim pool
But first of all, I know Bill, the CEO.
Ian, you were involved.
ian crossland
He's like my brother.
I mean, I love the guy.
tim pool
You were one of the co-founders of Mines.
ian crossland
Over a decade.
tim pool
And I trust him.
That's why it's important.
But if we can integrate with an existing network, I think that's what will make this software work.
Because if we were just to launch, like, here's a thing that works, some people might use it.
If it's to integrate with a website that already has a couple million users, I think, how many millions?
ian crossland
Yeah, four million a day or something, yeah.
tim pool
Then people are going to start adopting our software, it's beneficial to the mind's ecosystem because that grows, and it creates a large node with a bunch of smaller nodes.
Hopefully we can, we can, we can make some of that grow so that, um, you know, Facebook, we got to build a cultural hub of decentralized social media.
sagnik basu
This is something which people are not talking about enough, like content creation on like the blockchain, for example, like the web three, which people are like throwing around, like people creating like untethered content and the entire base of it is like the blockchain.
ian crossland
I wonder if we'll go into this on the after show.
I know you mentioned child sweatshops in the metaverse.
I've been talking about blockchain content, which can never be erased.
tim pool
No, it's grooming in the metaverse, dude.
ian crossland
It's dark stuff.
So there's bonuses to having your stuff on a blockchain because it can't be deleted, but then the downside is it can't be deleted.
Correct.
tim pool
All right, Sargon of Assyria says, would you have Billy Corgan on?
Yes, in a heartbeat.
I'm a big fan of the Smashing Pumpkins.
I met Billy Corgan and it was like a totally amazing experience because a friend of mine was friends with one of his exes and we went to one of his shows.
I'll give you the short version.
I walked in and he was signing posters.
I got there late and I saw him like, oh, so cool, like Billy Corgan, man.
He's rad.
And then we watched this, uh, this like, um, music video movie for his music.
And then after we left, you know, my friend is like, Hey, I'm going to talk to my friend who is Billy's ex.
Do you want to meet him?
And when I walked up, the first thing that Billy says to me, uh, he goes, Hey, you're Tim Pool.
And I was like, wow.
jorge ventura
What year was that?
sagnik basu
That feels good.
tim pool
This was a couple years ago.
Dude, I was a little kid growing up listening to Smashing Pumpkins and playing those songs in my cover band.
ian crossland
Yesterday, or tomorrow.
I called it yesterday, that's funny.
Today, today.
I was like, call it tomorrow, it's called today.
Today, today is one of the best songs.
tim pool
That's a great feeling.
He's a super cool dude, and he signed a poster for me.
And he was like, yeah, I like your work.
And I'm like, dude.
I said to him, I was like, you have any idea how crazy it is?
I think I was like 34 or whatever at the time, or 33.
I was like, dude, you're Billy Corgan.
I grew up listening to your music and I come up to you and you're like, hey, you're Tim Poole.
I'm like, it's mind-blowingly awesome.
I appreciate it.
ian crossland
I thought Siamese Dream was so epic because it was almost like an orchestrative piece with like, with like high strings.
And then it's just, but there's like a rock album too.
It's like a dirty rock album.
He did a really good job at putting that together.
I don't know if they produced it themselves, but great music.
jorge ventura
Dude, I loved Smashin' Pockets back when I was in middle school.
Yeah, I did.
I was a big fan of Nirvana back in the golden days.
tim pool
Plus, being from Chicago, that line in the song, The City by the Lake, I was like, yeah, Chicago, man!
That's us!
We live there!
And this song's so big!
But it was cool because the song was like epic, orchestral, you know?
Tonight, tonight.
So that for me, I was listening to that and I was like, wow.
Yeah, good stuff.
Not to mention 1979, Zero, just so much good music, man.
I love Ava Adore.
ian crossland
Billy actually was on Rogan.
That's a good interview.
If you guys haven't seen that yet, check out that one.
tim pool
Didn't he say that he saw Aliens once?
ian crossland
He's tapped it, tuned in.
jorge ventura
It was the dude from Blink-182 that was on Rogan.
He was like... Oh, Tom.
ian crossland
Tom DeLonge.
jorge ventura
He was all into the aliens.
He was saying how the U.S.
congressman invited him to D.C.
tim pool
He's always been.
ian crossland
Something to the stars.
To the Stars Academy.
tim pool
Tom DeLonge has always been big on UFOs.
They have a song about it on MMO of the State.
lydia smith
Old song.
tim pool
Silly band and fart jokes all the way.
ian crossland
To the Stars Academy.
tim pool
The song is called Aliens Exist.
He'd be a good guest.
ian crossland
Tom, that'd be great.
tim pool
Yeah, that'd be super cool.
Talk about aliens.
Yeah, that'd be fun.
I mean, look, if we could get people like Morgan and Tom DeLonge, I'd be... Oh, for sure.
unidentified
Those would be good days.
tim pool
That'd be amazing.
lydia smith
He's so fun.
You jam with him.
ian crossland
Yeah, great band.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
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You help make this show possible.
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We really do appreciate it.
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Do you guys want to shout out anything?
jorge ventura
Yeah, um, big thing right now guys is please, please check out the hero to zero documentary that we just released.
Um, the link is also going to be in the description.
So it's hero to zero doc.com.
Please check out the documentary, share it with anyone you can just to get the story out regarding the first responders and everything that they've been going through.
Help us combat the corporate media.
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That one is cartel.com into the illegal marijuana operations involving drug cartels, human smuggling in California.
So please check it out.
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So Ventura report on Instagram is Jorge Ventura.
TV follow us so like that you guys get all the updates on all the news that we're working on All the stories that we're gonna be working on.
So right now we're gonna be following the Freedom Convoy the truckers Then Sonic me and Sonic pretty soon go up actually to Northern, California Shasta County and gonna be looking at their illegal marijuana operations and their drug cartel involvement Same thing, yeah.
sagnik basu
The documentaries which we make, we put like two months effort into it, so it's really helpful if you guys check that out.
And my personal handle is under the code SAGNIKBASU on Twitter.
ian crossland
It's awesome to see you guys.
Awesome.
Really great to see you again.
And thanks for coming.
If you guys want to check out a show that Jorge did with us, we were talking about the cartels.
It was really powerful from, I don't know, five, six months ago or something like that.
It's here on this channel.
So check that out.
I'm Ian Crossland and check me out at iancrossland.net if you want to get in touch.
I'll see you later.
lydia smith
And I'm also here in the corner.
I pushed all the buttons on the show.
And I have to say, I've got to thank Richie for this amazing beer.
Richie always brings me beer.
This beer looks like Sour Patch Kids and I thought it was beautiful and it is delicious.
So thank you very much.
I really appreciate it.
And you guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Kids and also on Mines.com.
tim pool
We will see everybody over at TimCast.com around 11 or so p.m.
Thanks for hanging out.
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