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Timcast IRL - Alex Jones Testifies Before Jan 6th Committee Pleads 5th Over 100 Times w/Curtis Houck
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tim pool
Alex Jones testified before the January 6th Committee, and he said that he pleaded the fifth over 100 times.
Interestingly, he said that some of the questions were actually kind of reasonable, but the scary thing here is that they had all of his text messages.
So when someone comes to you and they say, use Signal or use a VPN, and you think they're being paranoid, let me just remind you that Adam Schiff released an American journalist's private phone records.
Alex Jones's private text messages were in the hands of these members of Congress, the January 6th Committee.
They know what you're saying and who you're saying it to.
Well, now men on the left are saying Alex Jones pleading the fifth is proof he's guilty!
Because they don't know how rights work.
But yeah, we'll get into all that stuff.
We got Joe Biden polling back officially and formally on the vaccine mandate because they have lost.
Ron DeSantis is pissed off that the FDA has ended monoclonal antibodies, at least two of them.
And we got this poll out of Rasmussen showing that most of this country thinks the press is the enemy of the people.
Not surprised.
Joining us to talk about that is Curtis Houck.
curtis houck
Yeah, thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you, good sir?
curtis houck
I'm the managing editor of Newsbusters, the main division of the Media Research Center.
We've been around since 1987, and we watch the fake news so you don't have to.
We watch Joyread, the White House press briefing, CNN.
We're like the five people that actually watch CNN.
We watch Joe and Mika.
Cringe.
Sounds painful.
Yeah, it is.
Some days I'm just wondering, how do I actually do that?
How do I stay sane?
Lots of coffee and other beverages.
lydia smith
Substances, yes.
curtis houck
Other substances, yes.
And other hobbies.
tim pool
So you guys, you know, when Rasmussen comes out with this poll showing, I think it's like, what, 58% of voters think the press is the enemy of the people.
This includes, to a small degree, but many Democrat voters.
You're in the thick of it.
You watch this all day, every day.
Like, you know all of the BS being pumped out by these fake news institutions.
curtis houck
Yeah, and the poll is really interesting because no matter which way you slice it, the only group that doesn't view the media as the enemy of the people is the Democrats, and it's only 37%.
And, you know, you break it down among racial groups, it's whites 56%, African Americans 63%, and everyone else 60%.
tim pool
So black people in this country actually hate the media more than white people.
curtis houck
Yeah!
That was maybe the most astounding number in all of this poll.
tim pool
I'm not surprised you see, you know, this particular community distrusting of institutions.
But we'll get into all that stuff, so I think it's going to be excellent to talk to you.
We got Ian hanging out.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to know how you manage it.
Ian Crossland, everybody.
What's up?
Good to see you.
lydia smith
Yep, I'm also in awe of Curtis.
I don't like the concept of watching these people on TV.
The tweets are enough for me.
I like to watch videos on mute, and I don't want to hear their voices, so more power to you.
curtis houck
I'm very happy that you do it, and I don't have to.
Yeah, that's why I tweet all those videos.
That's probably how some of you have seen me before, that I'm the guy that tweets all those videos out, so you don't have to in a nice one-minute, two-minute digestible portion.
tim pool
Did you see Whoopi Goldberg accidentally claim the vaccines were killing kids?
unidentified
Oh, no.
curtis houck
Yeah.
unidentified
No.
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, because it's Whoopi Goldberg.
I think it's fair to say.
Yeah.
The problem is when it comes to like the fact checkers and like media matters, they wouldn't
give anyone the benefit of the doubt if they misspoke and said the wrong word.
But we're all expected to give her the benefit of the doubt.
curtis houck
Right.
Yeah.
Because it's Whoopi Goldberg.
tim pool
I mean.
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Now let's get into this first story.
Alex Jones sat with the January 6th panel and repeatedly pleaded the 5th.
Then he revealed what they asked him on his broadcast.
So this is Politico's Congress Minutes, and they actually break down a bit of what Alex Jones has said.
They say, here's the rundown from Jones, who called the committee's questions overall pretty reasonable.
Some of these things are very interesting.
Jones said the January 6th committee seemed to have a lot of detailed information about him.
That they displayed images of text messages he had with Wren and Cindy Chaffian.
Who organized a pro-Trump rally on January 5th.
Both Wren and Chaffee had been subpoenaed by the committee last fall.
Jones said he started to have doubts about leading a march to the Capitol when he saw the unwieldy crowd that had formed at Trump's ellipse speech.
Quote, you know, maybe we just won't do what he said.
He said he thought to himself.
He said he continued, however, when Secret Service agents came and opened up the gate after he arrived at the Capitol and witnessed some of the ongoing mayhem.
Jones was seen on video repeatedly attempting to steer the crowd away from police lines.
No, no, no, Politico.
You need to be more direct and more honest than that.
Alex Jones is on video telling people to avoid the Capitol and not to go in because it's a trick and it's a trap and it's what they want you to do.
Jones was actively bullhorning to de-escalate and get people away from the Capitol.
That would be very important to include, but they did not.
Jones said the committee asked about his contacts with Proud Boys.
He said that he aided a Hooters in Atlanta with some members.
He said he didn't use Proud Boys or Oath Keepers as security.
He was a prominent company.
He said that January 6th, he relied on a prominent Austin-based security firm.
He said the committee suggested they routinely monitor his show.
He denied being aware of a December 31st broadcast in which his substitute host, Matthew Bracken, specifically suggested storming the Capitol.
Wow, that's crazy.
Jones also acknowledged that his co-host, Owen Schroer, who has been charged for egging on the crowd in the restricted area of the Capitol, was facing prosecution.
Jones said the charges were for a bunch of stuff he didn't do, and he falsely said Schroer is facing years in prison.
I think it's fair to say, incorrectly, falsely kind of implies he was intentionally wrong.
The misdemeanor charge against Schroer carry a maximum six-month sentence.
So I'll tell you right away, the crazy thing about this is that they've got his texts.
That, that's creepy.
But obvious, right?
The government's got your private information, they know what you do on your phone in your private time, and if you're not using a VPN and you're not using a signal for encrypted stuff, just, you know, Adam Schiff, he knows everything.
You know what's funny?
I'm sorry, real quick, just, Mark Zuckerberg knows when you poop?
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
I'm willing to bet for a lot of you guys out there, Adam Schiff knows when you poop too.
lydia smith
Oh gosh.
curtis houck
And he's gonna tell Nicole Wallace about it too.
Oh yeah, he's gonna go on MSNBC, he'll link to his friends at the Washington Post and the New York Times.
You know, there's no end for Adam Schiff here.
tim pool
He's gonna hold up an envelope and be like, I have documents about what time Alex Jones was pooping.
ian crossland
One of the things that bothers me here is...
Okay, you hear this, like, they can spy on you, they can read your text messages, they have total oversight control.
I hear that a lot.
It's not until it becomes personal and it actually happens to you that it's like, whoa, sound the alarm.
This isn't right.
curtis houck
Yeah, you have this happen with crime in major cities right now.
You have CNN questioning whether that actually is happening.
Brian Stelter did a segment on a show on Sunday.
It's very similar in that The media will mock anything and everything that's happening to everyone else in the country because it's not happening to them.
They feel safe in their homes.
They feel like their privacy is being protected until something happens to them.
And then it's all bets off.
And you would think they would change their minds, but in many cases, it doesn't.
tim pool
Do you see that story from Sanjay Gupta where he wrote about going on Joe Rogan's podcast?
And he said that he was scared that Joe was going to jump the table and throttle his neck.
curtis houck
Right, he goes in with these incredibly unreasonable expectations.
It's probably because it's what Jeff Zucker and Jake Tapper and Brian Stelter told him is gonna happen.
They painted this caricature.
And this goes to the larger point of anybody who doesn't, you know, toe the line as part of that corporate machine, they think you're this crazy person, and they view us like zoo animals almost, that we can just, they can tap on the glass almost.
tim pool
Our friend Seamus over at Freedom Tunes made one of the funniest videos he's ever done is about the Joe Rogan-Sanjay Gupta thing, and he just plays some audio of Joe Rogan talking, and he's like, don't you think it's dangerous when a media company lies?
And then it just shows Sanjay Gupta going, But then but then it then he's then it shows you know Joe again and he goes don't then he specifically mentions CNN this massive media company and then it shows this fake like CNN with two anchors screaming and crying like And it's like it says on the Chiron Joe Rogan attacks media.
Yeah, that's that's what that's literally what it is Right.
curtis houck
And this is the problem that we've had for the last however many years, which is people would say at a Trump rally, you suck.
And guess what?
It's treated like a death threat.
You know, the First Amendment, they believe, only applies to them, not the rest of us, because it's too dangerous for anyone else to have speech.
tim pool
This is the crazy thing about Alex Jones.
I'm going to trigger the establishment press.
I am going to trigger all of the left with the following four words.
Alex Jones. I'm sorry. Is it technically five because of the a Alex Jones is a journalist. Oh, no.
unidentified
No! Oh, no!
tim pool
Their heads are rolling on the ground!
unidentified
You're attacking them!
tim pool
I remember a few years ago I said that InfoWars was kind of like a right-wing Huffington Post, but it was in a specific context where I was saying that in the election cycle, you know, with Donald Trump, InfoWars was trying very much to be more mainstream and to speak to the MAGA crowd, and that as the Huffington Post does that for, you know, liberals, Alex Jones was very much trying to do that with InfoWars.com.
Yeah.
unidentified
Often.
tim pool
So whether you agree with Alex Jones, his political positions, his opinions, whether
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
you believe him to be telling the truth or not is not relevant to the fact that he is
a dude who collects and disseminates information.
I got to be honest.
I think sometimes he says really crazy things.
I think, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
curtis houck
Often.
tim pool
Often.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
But the reason I say he's a journalist is because he's afforded the same protections
as any other member of the press.
the press.
And while my opinion of him may be like, he's a pundit, he's a personality.
On paper, legally, there should be no distinction between him, Don Lemon, or James Rosen.
These are people who are speaking in the public about public policy and politics.
The problem is, these people at CNN and his other outlets, they basically gloat and laugh and mock Alex while he's getting his private text messages taken.
I mean, this should be.
A Fourth Amendment violation.
curtis houck
Right, exactly.
And I think, you know, they've been obsessing about this all afternoon since it came out that he testified before the committee.
Five MSNBC shows and four CNN shows have spent time talking about this versus really anything else that's going on in the world, really gloating about how many times he took the Fifth.
And it just shows what a crock also that this entire committee is.
You can remove Alex Jones and replace him with really anyone that's going before this committee.
And as you point out, you don't even have to like Alex Jones.
He says a lot of crazy things and it's pretty horrible, some of the things that he said, in my opinion.
But this story in particular just shows what a crock this entire thing is and how it's really something for the benefit of CNN and MSNBC's Green Room.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
You know, since Trump left, the ratings are in the gutter.
And I think any honest... Look, I'll say this of Brian Stelter.
He deserves and should be afforded his right to speak.
And if CNN wants to spend money to have this guy on the air to espouse his message, you're allowed to do it.
There are a lot of people that I think are very, very evil.
They put out fake news, they lie, they cheat, they manipulate, and I'm sure a lot of people feel that way about Alex Jones.
Now, for all the crazy things Alex has said, it's kind of scary when he gets things right, and they're really weird things he gets right.
Like when he told me about how we eat cloned beef, and I'm like, Alex, they're not cloning cows.
And he was like, Tim, look it up!
And then I googled it, and right there on the show, I'm like, he's right!
curtis houck
We're in company!
tim pool
So it's like he knows this weird stuff that nobody believes.
And so my thing is, I try to look at this as neutrally as possible.
The government has the private text messages of a media personality.
They didn't file subpoena against him to get it.
They went straight to the phone companies and said, can we have it?
And the phone companies just went, yup.
lydia smith
So this is deeply troubling to me because I think that at an underlying level it's because they're so smug about it because they assume that it will never ever happen to them.
I know that they're wrong.
I know that the tables can turn but they don't think it ever will.
And I'm not convinced that with the turning of the political tide it won't be them on the table.
They don't want to set this precedent but they're just gloating in it right now because they're so incredibly short-sighted they cannot think past stage one.
It's ridiculous.
curtis houck
Yeah.
And the entire January 6th committee is, again, their golden calf.
They are obsessed with it.
For the anniversary, CNN and MSNBC spent over 1,600 minutes in one day talking about The first anniversary of January 6th.
tim pool
First anniversary.
They did a candlelight vigil.
curtis houck
Right.
And they had a chorus on the steps of the Capitol that sang songs.
They had this prayer service and all this stuff.
So anything January 6th, they're going to drop.
It doesn't matter what's going on in the world right now.
You know, weeks, months down the road, you know, we could be in wars on two different fronts, and if something happens with January 6th, they're gonna be like, hey, hold on, we got something!
tim pool
I think they're realizing, though.
I mean, I think the Democratic establishment is stuck, and there's nothing they can do, because they've made it their whole, you know, like, the whole party message.
But when you see, like, Barry Weiss on Bill Maher, And they're all of a sudden just saying, like, right-wing tribal talking points.
I'm just like, ah, here it is.
unidentified
Here we go.
tim pool
They're jumping off the ship.
They know it's sinking.
They're realizing what's going on.
I do want to point out, that was really funny just a second ago, when I mentioned the candlelight vigil.
Ian's face just went like... He had this strange look.
ian crossland
It was so Hunger Games, too.
Did they have big wigs on and a bunch of makeup?
tim pool
They were all wearing, like, black and holding candles.
Ian's face was like...
curtis houck
And then CNN set up in Statuary Hall, they set up this raised stage in the middle for their two-hour primetime event with Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper to speak in hushed tones.
Of course, yes.
We're just checking the boxes here.
ian crossland
If I was playing a game of, like, Civilization and I was the leader of this country, that would be, like, use propaganda.
If you chose to do that, you'd pick, like, some little thing and make a big production out of it over and over again, and you're just trying to manipulate and hope they don't figure out that you're trying to manipulate them.
tim pool
We got social media these days, you know.
If this was 30 years ago, Alex Jones is not a guy they'd want to put on TV.
They wouldn't want to give him a chance to actually defend himself or speak up.
And they don't.
I mean, these mainstream media companies, they don't want him on.
They want to be able to control the narrative.
They want to keep all these Democrats wrapped up in their bubble in this cult, believing whatever it is they say.
And they live in this crazy world where they think Alex Jones is this evil boogeyman, or people like James O'Keefe.
The first time I met Alex Jones, when he came on the show, he told me he saw one of my videos.
Where, like, Alex went to the grocery store and people were screaming at him.
And then I was just like, that's so insane, dude, to, like, see this guy buying milk and just start screaming at him.
And Alex is probably like, I'm just buying milk!
But Alex was like, that's exactly what it is!
Like, I don't even know who you are!
Like, leave me alone!
I'm just buying milk, man!
curtis houck
And you see how much that's grown with people being harassed in public places, you know?
And not just Alex Jones now.
tim pool
Yeah, you see that video we talked about the other day where this black dude gets in an elevator, and these two white liberal women go in, and they're screaming at him to get out because he's not wearing a mask, and they're filming each other.
Then the women hit the black dude, and then he's like, you hit me!
And then she goes, Black Lives Matter!
We're losing our minds, man.
curtis houck
Right, that's why, yes, Libs of TikTok might be one of my favorite accounts on all of social media.
It is endless laughs.
tim pool
Yeah, so while you're, you know, at Newsbusters and you're tracking the mainstream corporate press, you got Libs of TikTok on Twitter, tracking TikTok, posting all of that absolute insanity.
I gotta say, though, if you're not familiar with Libs of TikTok, definitely follow them on Twitter because, well, It is confirmation bias.
It is politically affirming.
But I also want to warn, it is severely depressing.
It may entertain you for a while, but after like the 50th video of this stuff, you're just like, I think the world is ending.
ian crossland
You can always skip.
Remember that.
curtis houck
Sweet meteor of death.
Let's go.
tim pool
Yeah, seriously, man.
Let's talk about this Rasmussen thing.
Check this out.
So we have this poll from Rasmussen Reports.
Do you agree or disagree with this statement?
The media are truly the enemy of the people.
Agree.
White people, 56%.
Black people, 63%.
Other non-white, 60%.
This is good, look at this.
Democrats, 37%.
60% here. This is good. Look at this Democrats 37% I got to be honest
37% of Democrats saying the media is the enemy of the people. That's not bad
I thought it would be less than that.
That's more than good.
Unaffiliated, 61%.
Those are the voters the GOP needs.
The GOP is 76%, but here's the biggest one.
Among all voters, 58% of people think the media are the enemy of the people.
Now, I think insofar as it pertains to the Democratic voter, it probably includes us and Fox News and other channels to a certain degree, but let's be real.
When people talk about the media, Only ever.
They're only ever referring to us if they're specifically addressing podcasts and independent channels and things like that.
So I gotta say man, you know, Curtis, you're somebody who watches news all day every day.
I think most people who watch this show get it, but I'm curious your thoughts on why it is that the majority of voters in this country, at least according to this poll, think the media are truly the enemy of the people.
curtis houck
Right, and the overarching point on this is it's all self-inflicted.
Entirely self-inflicted.
And that's the biggest problem that I think a lot of these corporate media folks and organizations don't understand, and they refuse to acknowledge.
And if they do, they're continuing to lie, which is they think that somehow we are responsible,
independent media, non-profits, conservatives, you know, just people that aren't part of
their Borg, for lack of a better term.
Borg.
Yeah, part of the Borg, for lack of a better term.
And they've made so many mistakes over the years, and they're constantly saying that
if they make a mistake, we always correct it.
No.
No, you didn't.
I mean, how do you make up for thousands of minutes which we cataloged on ABC, CBS, and NBC looking at the Russia investigation?
tim pool
Remember when Cuomo pretended to be in quarantine?
curtis houck
Yeah, Cuomo pretending to be in quarantine.
I mean, you can look at big examples, you can look at small examples, and you go back to the bigger, more prominent ones of Dan Rather in 2004 making up things about George W. Bush's National Guard service.
You can look at Jason Blair making up stories about, you know, the DC Sniper case.
And that doesn't even have to do with, like, a regular political story.
It's just journalism gone wrong.
People making things up.
Fareed Zakaria, he's a CNN host.
He's been caught multiple times plagiarizing.
tim pool
Wow, really?
curtis houck
It doesn't matter.
Brian Williams, obviously, is another example.
So again, this goes to this point of a refusal to acknowledge that The reason people think you are the enemy of the people is because of your own behavior and then the other last point is just a complete detachment from what you're covering and how it's not what the people are looking for.
So this seems together and it and I think in this all the points
I've just made goes to the fact of whether you agree with the term or not
I think no matter what you think you should be you should be able to accept the fact that people feel this way
And that the reasons for it are totally valid I I've long thought you know, how much easier would life be
tim pool
if I just made a Minecraft channel?
No, I'm And I'm only somewhat joking, because I tell people, look, success comes from hard work and drive, passion, and there's a combination of other things, you know, your abilities, you need some natural talent, but for the most part, I think hard work, perseverance brings success.
And I'm just like, if I allocated 16 hours a day into Minecraft videos or whatever video game, you know, we'd probably be doing way better.
But upon hearing this, I'm just like, man, if we on this show really were what the media tried to smear us as, grifters just pandering to an audience, we could be making so much money if we went full MAGA or full anti-Trump.
If we just played the dirty games and made up fake news like CNN does, we'd have all of the best thumbnails.
I mean, to be honest, we have the Cast Castle vlog, right?
And this is meant to be more comedic.
It's meant to be silly.
It's not news.
It's semi-fictional.
We had a bit where the last time Luke left the castle, the house blows up.
Just as a gag.
They're gags.
But it's funny because when the videos are fictional, when they're specifically jokes, people like clicking them more.
People like being entertained.
So when, you know, we're producing a show that's not news, you can just easily see.
You can just make up jokes that people will click.
When it comes to news, and we're trying to be as honest and frame things to the best of our abilities, it's hard to attract people with straightforward, just like, here's what happened.
That's what I think CNN and other media outlets figured out a long, long time ago.
Everybody knows it.
So these people who listen to CNN, who believe in these Democrat voters, and are told by the likes of Brian Stelter that, you know, Fox News is the evil propaganda, and Jake Tapper saying, don't read the WikiLeaks emails, you're not allowed.
These are people who are—anybody who tells you not to read the news or watch other channels is trying to rip you off to make money off your ratings.
And that's what Brian Stelter did.
curtis houck
And I think we should be—and I should be clear, too, that newsbusters, a lot of us on staff, Look at all kinds of media sources, not just for a living, but we want to know what everyone is doing.
We'll watch your show.
We will watch the corporate media.
We will read the physical newspapers and print publications because we're all boomers.
Like, they literally are at heart, you know?
But in just the other week you had the president of NBC saying that we're ferociously defending the idea that it's possible to be objective and nonpartisan.
Our mission is to illuminate and not advocate.
What a joke that is!
And that's the kind of high-mindedness and just arrogance.
And I think that's another one of the biggest things that people have problems with.
They have such arrogance.
You look at the Jake Tappers of the world, Brian Stelters, Joy Reid, Nicole Wallace, Rachel Maddow, they have such,
you know, they think so highly of themselves.
They love smelling their own farts.
I mean, that's, we're rapidly approaching, if not already there in that territory with
these people.
It's pretty insidious and yet somehow they continue to live in their bubbles and yet
they continue to be surprised when things happen and people vote for people other than
their candidates.
tim pool
It's really weird that they're in this bubble and they've isolated themselves and they're rejecting people from it.
It's like, it kind of feels like they're trying to get that last little drop of olive oil from the olive.
You know, everybody's always like, you got to get the extra extra virgin olive oil because that's when they take the olive, it's fresh and the oil comes right out.
And then like the regular stuff you get for the bargain bin price is when it's a dried withered husk and they're just squeezing whatever they can.
That's what the media is.
And the audience is that dried withered husk.
But there are people who still believe it.
ian crossland
You'd think after seven years of Russia, Russia in Russia, I was thinking it would be like that's just it was never true Wake wake if Stelter came out and was like ladies and gentlemen, the sky over Ireland is red It would you'd have hundreds of thousands of people believe it just cuz Stelter said it well And then the next day they come out and they'd be like correction The sky was not red, but no one they wouldn't see it and people would go on believing
that the sky was red over Ireland.
tim pool
They wouldn't correct it.
ian crossland
Some people might though, like whoever, like the Independent or like, I don't know, a random
article like The Hill will come out and be like, correction, it was not actually red,
Seltzer was lying.
But they wouldn't see that stuff.
They only watch Seltzer.
curtis houck
And yet what's interesting is that's what they project about people who don't follow
them, like conservatives, libertarians.
That's what they say.
Chris Matthews, memorably, I recall when I would watch his show before I had to watch Joey Reed's show, they replaced them.
He had this thing that said Trump's voters are the kind of people who, if he told them, yes, the sky isn't blue, people would believe them.
You know, if they're looking up movies to watch, you know, to go see, and they say, Trump tells them the movie's at 6 and it's actually at 7, the people would show up at 6.
You know, I mean, it's a classic example of projection when that's actually how CNN viewers view themselves.
That somehow they're still watching CNN and the rest of us have totally moved on.
And they're just, the good news is they're continuing to shrink, but yet that small segment that's still left continues to view us as dangerous people.
Like to your point about Joe Rogan and Sanjay Gupta, he went in thinking he was about to get attacked and it was perfectly fine.
tim pool
I talked to Joe about that when I went on his show, and he was just like, ah, he was just trying to be funny.
And I was like, oh man, Joe, you're such a nice guy.
Yeah, I'm like, is he, dude?
Isn't it kind of, I'll say this, you know, Joe's trying to be a nice guy.
Joe's, I think, you know, Joe genuinely wants people to kind of calm down and work things through.
But I'm like, isn't it kind of dangerous when a media organization publishes a piece in which they entertain the possibility that Joe would jump the table and throttle someone's neck even if it's supposed to be a joke?
Like, Sanjay Gupta is not a comedian.
You know, so I have no problem with him being funny and trying to make jokes.
I have no problem with, you know, people get mad at me all the time because, like, I post nonsense on Twitter.
And then when they're like, people actually believe you when you say this stuff, you know, and I'll be like, well, that's their problem.
Like, if you were a comedian, I'd understand.
And I'm like, I don't care, dude.
People can follow me.
So it's not a joke.
I've been making a joke.
I totally get.
But the idea that the joke exists signals that there are people who genuinely fear this, you know, fear Joe and think him as some kind of bad person.
Who would do something like that, you know what I mean?
curtis houck
Yeah, and I would actually say something, it's arguably far more insidious, that I think I can say definitively, based on the people I know within the industry, that there are good people at these networks, that they know what they're doing is wrong, and that it's a bit, you know?
tim pool
Bill Maher and that Barry Weiss thing?
They know, come on.
They've known the whole time.
They're criticizing the lockdowns and everything now, but there's no way Bill Maher and Barry Weiss didn't know it was going on.
You know what I mean?
curtis houck
Yeah.
The apocalyptic images, even.
Even if that should have done it for them from the very beginning, but... What images?
We're just like the empty stores, you know, empty streets, you know, just the idea of that, you know, that people just, life came to a stop.
tim pool
But, but, so, so, you know, these are, these are public figures, but imagine the staff at, you know, at Real Time with Bill Maher, imagine the staff at CNN, like you were saying.
Like, these are, these are people, they know what's going on the whole time, they don't speak out, they don't speak up.
curtis houck
Yeah, and they know that people who disagree with them are capable of being good people.
People who are ideologically opposed to them are their family members, their neighbors, their spouses in some cases.
Go to church with people that they went to high school or college with and that's what really gets me fired up that these people go on television and they paint such a picture that they almost want to gaslight these people into thinking that you know your friend your neighbor next door who Yeah, it's funny too, but, you know, their key demo ratings are below 100k.
Right.
And yet Joy Reid and all the rest continue to pile on and no one says anything.
You don't see CNN speaking up whenever something happens on MSNBC.
You don't really hear that.
It's just this gentleman's agreement between all of them that they're not going to criticize
each other.
tim pool
Yeah, it's funny too, but their key demo ratings are below 100k.
So the relevance is...
curtis houck
I have an interesting point to that.
Breonna Keillor had her role, they're rotating different people to replace Fredo Cuomo at
Her show last week, through the first three days, I looked at Nielsen's numbers.
She lost to shows like My 600-lb Life, People Puzzler on Game Show Network, westerns such as Gunsmoke, Cheyenne, and, you know.
tim pool
Are these like particularly bad shows or something?
curtis houck
Well, no, I mean, Andy Griffith's show.
You know, really, it spans the spectrum.
Really, Property Brothers, the Chip and Joanna Gaines channel, Magnolia Network, a number of shows on there.
tim pool
You were saying before they got Jim Acosta on CNN right now, is that what it is?
curtis houck
Yeah, now it's Jim Acosta.
And with Brianna Keillor, they renamed the 9pm hour Democracy in Peril.
Democracy in Peril?
tim pool
Really?
curtis houck
What are you talking about?
There's so many other things going on in the world.
And yet you're catering to the small audience that, you know, whatever John Avalon, who does this reality check segment, or Mark Elias wants.
unidentified
Right.
curtis houck
Saying this is such important work that every American needs to tune in.
tim pool
Do you think Acosta is going to do well in the ratings?
curtis houck
Well, the first day's numbers are in, and he was the second least watched show on all of CNN.
New Day, which airs 6 to 9 a.m.
Eastern, was the only show that Acosta beat.
Wow.
tim pool
Second least of all CNN shows.
curtis houck
Of all CNN shows.
tim pool
Wow, that makes me feel pretty good, honestly.
I was worried, I'm like, he might actually pull in the views, because he might get hate watch.
curtis houck
Yeah, I mean, Drake Kelly with Newsmax was two-thirds of the way to Jim Acosta's viewership.
tim pool
Newsmax, didn't they get pulled from a bunch of providers?
curtis houck
Yeah, the LA Times has reported that they weren't able to with, I believe, three different cable providers and he still pulled in over 350,000 viewers last night, whereas Acosta had 500,000.
tim pool
Yeah, but that was mostly old people, wasn't it?
curtis houck
Well, I mean, once you separate it out, I mean, that's true for a lot of them, once you split out the 25 to 54 demographic.
tim pool
He's gonna have like 70,000 in the key demo.
curtis houck
Exactly.
And that's... And that's, what is that, 25 to 54?
Yeah, 25 to 54.
tim pool
That means most of these people watching are in their late 50s.
They're gonna be aging out.
ian crossland
Or 60 or 70, really.
tim pool
Many of them will retire, you know, they'll still vote for the next 15, 20 years or whatever.
Well, I guess by life expectancy, we're talking about 15 to 17 years.
curtis houck
Yeah, and we're at a point now where last year, New Day and Brian Stelter were releasing shows like Peppa the Pig, you know, Paw Patrol.
tim pool
I mean, but come on, Paw Patrol's legit.
curtis houck
Paw Patrol is!
tim pool
Firefighter Dog.
curtis houck
Yeah, you can actually learn, you actually learn things on that show.
You actually learn things.
Moonshiners on Discovery Channel.
That's great.
ian crossland
Oh, this says that CNN wants Jim Acosta as the host of Democracy in Peril.
Is that right?
Or were you saying Brianna Keillor?
curtis houck
Well, she had last week and Jim Acosta's on this week.
tim pool
Democracy in Peril.
ian crossland
That's real, real bad propaganda to put out to a country that might be struggling right now.
curtis houck
And then, and of course, yeah, and they put, uh, I believe the way the color scheme works is blue, they put the Democrats in democracy, then in is white, and then red is peril.
tim pool
To be fair, Ian, to be fair, Ian, we're just, we're, nobody's watching it.
ian crossland
Red, white, and blue, baby!
Let's sell some tickets!
tim pool
It's a bunch, you know, it's a bunch of older people who are, I love that meme the left is like, Fox News just scares the elderly.
And I'm like, maybe 20 or 30 years ago?
I don't know.
It's like, that's all CNN does right now.
If you watch Tucker, what did you learn in the past week that M&Ms aren't sexy anymore?
Bravo, Tucker.
That was a ridiculous segment.
I think it was very dumb.
But it's not scaring old people.
And Tucker's got massive youth key demo viewership.
So Tucker talks about a wide range of things.
He challenges the establishment.
My personal opinion is I think when it comes to cable TV, Tucker's the best.
Not that I think he's perfect and I don't think anybody is.
curtis houck
No.
tim pool
But I'm not a fan of... You know, I put it this way.
Across the board with all of the cable TV stuff, Tucker is the only one who gets like a C plus for me and everyone else like a D minus or an F. He had Jimmy Dore on last week.
ian crossland
And let Jimmy just explode in a rage of fire.
It was amazing.
And at the end he was like, Jimmy Dore, ladies and gentlemen.
tim pool
Yeah, it's great.
ian crossland
Jimmy doing what Jimmy does.
curtis houck
And that's why in the people that are calling for censorship, when you guys have my colleague Dan Gaynor on, why I always say things like the internet and social media are net positive is because it allows this proliferation of all these different alternative forms of media, whereas before you had three networks that had newscasts in the morning and in the evening and
they weren't even all they went off air overnight they didn't even have things in prime time
you know they really didn't have capabilities to break in when there would be big stories at
night or the middle of the afternoon uh they really didn't have the same amount of resources
whereas now you have all these different options for all these niche kinds of you know
topics um and you know advocating for or all these different positions.
And why would you want to get rid of that?
You're upset because you're losing control.
And if you're somebody like Jeff Zucker, you're not able to control America from your little green room.
tim pool
You know, radio is still really popular.
People drive their cars, people listen to the radio, and you've got satellite radio, and people don't understand it actually is fairly popular.
You buy new cars these days, a lot of them come with satellite radio, so a lot of these older formats still exist in some form, and they still have some kind of pull.
So we can sit here and we can laugh about CNN's ratings being in the gutter, But I gotta be honest, YouTube props them up.
YouTube puts them on the front page.
So we can be critical of them and say their medium is dying, but they will be put on life support because that brand has some kind of value.
You know, when CNN launched, what, in like the mid-80s?
Initially, it was just like, what is this fly-by-night, you know, stupid cable trash?
But nowadays, you've got, you know, I was born in 86, so I grew up with CNN always being there.
And that matters.
It's a legacy now to the younger generations.
No matter what happens to their ratings, someone's going to want that.
And they'll try and put it wherever they can.
But I do think CNN, like many companies, will eventually just... AOL used to be the big game in media.
I'm sorry, in internet.
Now it's gone.
Facebook could potentially go that route.
We don't know.
A lot of companies that have been around since the early 1900s changed their name and they continue to exist.
ian crossland
CNN is owned by AT&T.
So we might as well just call CNN AT&T from now on.
curtis houck
Well, and they're about to be spun off to Discovery.
ian crossland
As in CNN's getting sold to Discovery?
curtis houck
Yes, AT&T is trying to, they're offloading CNN.
And they've been trying to offload DirecTV to offload them as well.
And that's what's really interesting that I'm really, some people are holding out hope for in 2022 when Discovery More or less takes over if they're going to clean house one of their lead investors I think even somebody on their board was on CNBC a couple months ago and suggested that we need to get CNN back to the CNN that people were called that they had fond memories of growing up.
You know, I guess so primarily, like, Gulf War age people that were watching CNN in the early 90s, in the 80s, a little bit after it launched, once people realized what it actually is.
But at that point, you got a really clean house if you want to do that.
tim pool
The challenge is that straight news dime a dozen.
We've got so many people on the ground with cell phones filming and broadcasting that when it comes to straight reporting it's fairly easy to get.
Now there are some things that we've seen at TimCast.com that are underserved, certain areas.
So March coverage, protests and political action stuff often is extremely underreported.
So you might get a reporter from a local news outlet will show up, film a few segments, and then put like a 30 second package together.
It doesn't really give you the actual view of what's going on.
And that's something I got started doing.
So we try to do that.
We try to say, let's get someone on there.
Let's do like a 20 to 30 minute actually talking to people and figure out if we can get a broad view of things.
But for the most part, it's very, very difficult to monetize.
It's very, very difficult to provide a service in an area where it's just saturated with citizen journalism.
So you can see it.
CNN tries to do documentary.
They try to be like Vice.
They get Reza Aslan.
You know, he ate human brain.
curtis houck
You're aware of that, right?
Yes, and that was desperation.
And spoiler alert, it didn't work out for him.
CNN, one of the few times they've actually gotten rid of someone, No.
tim pool
CNN ran a show where a human ate another human's brain.
curtis houck
A small piece.
That was too far for them.
We finally found out where's the line for CNN.
tim pool
Yeah, seriously, that's crazy.
They were like, you know, I can only imagine the executives are like, hmm, eating human brain didn't work for us.
Maybe we can accuse the president of being a Russian spy for five years, seven years.
Yeah, that one's uh, technically it's based in the realm of possibility like, you know, sure the Russians exist and Trump exists and Trump exists and it's possible in Russia.
They can just make up everything and roll with it and never correct.
curtis houck
Just Mad Libs at this point, you know?
Mad Libs, you love.
And I think that's why people really dislike CNN in particular and the broadcast networks versus say MSNBC or even Fox News because CNN passes itself off as You know, based on nostalgia.
They're hoping people continue to support them based on nostalgia and basic news of the who, what, where, when, why, and how.
Proper context and perspective.
That's what they're hoping people...
You know, fall for it, but you very quickly see, even just on their chyrons alone, so you don't even have to have the sound on to know that it's a total joke.
And so, I would say I'm more likely to be able to stomach MSNBC than I am CNN, just because you know what they're getting, they're not trying to hide what they are, and you know, you just go from there.
tim pool
Let's talk about this Joe Rogan, Neil Young thing.
I feel bad.
Joe, I'm sorry that they constantly drag your name in this stuff, but let's be real.
I mean, Joe runs the biggest show when it comes to politics and culture, probably in the world.
It's the biggest podcast in the world, but in this space, he dominates.
And thus, he's always gonna be, he's on top of the mountain, he's gonna be the target of this stuff.
And as we enter 2022, the midterm elections, it's critical for the establishment to push back on people like Joe.
So we have this ridiculous story where Neil Young, who is an aging rocker who is not relevant, he's 76, he sent a letter to his manager saying that either Spotify removes Joe Rogan or removes all of his music.
Apparently he deleted the letter and quickly backed down because Spotify was like, let me see here.
Four of your songs have broken 100 million listens, and the fifth one is at 73.
It's Keep on Rockin' in the Free World.
Good song, by the way.
Hey, I respect Neil Young for his music.
But Joe Rogan gets 11 million every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
So four times a week.
Yeah.
In a month, he's going to be... In a month, in two months, in three months, he's just massively outperforming what Neil Young could ever produce.
But this is the crazy thing.
It's absolutely insane to me that you have these, the way I described it earlier, Neil Young's a protest guy.
He's supposed to oppose the establishment, and here he is being like, we gotta protect CNN, we gotta protect the mainstream media.
It's remarkable to me.
You know what it says to me is that a lot of these people, you know, I mentioned Barry Weiss and Bill Maher, and I keep doing it, and probably should move on, but these people know full well how bad the system was.
They know people are suffering, but they don't care because it's their market.
They're not willing to challenge the establishment until, you know, the polls shift in favor of, I'm sorry, the polls shift against Joe Biden.
Rasmussen comes out and says the average voter thinks the media is the enemy of the people, and all of a sudden they're like, actually, I've always agreed and I've always sided with the independent voices.
curtis houck
I don't think schools should have been shut down at all.
No.
Yeah.
tim pool
You see what Bill Maher said when he was like, Fauci, you can't just tell us what to do in your lab coat.
It's like, wait, Bill, that was in November of 2020 Fauci said that.
So they know full well, but I have this I have this article here from CNN on purpose. I love CNN
You guys know that it's Neil Young's free world. Not Joe Rogan's
Remarkable its opinion by Jill. I was at Filipovic Elizabeth's yeah, Filipovich. So she a fella. What is this?
Jill Filipovich is a journalist Based in New York the author of okay boomer. Let's talk how
my generation got left behind Is she a boomer?
She basically writes about this and it's funny because it's not Neil Young's world.
He backed down.
He lost.
Joe Rogan's winning.
You can't stop it.
This is where we're at.
ian crossland
So Neil retracted his request?
tim pool
He deleted the letter and his music is all still there.
I think he realized that he has no leverage.
I'm willing to bet he thought You know, I'm famous, I got big music.
I'll come out and I'll demand they ban Joe Rogan for misinformation, and then they will.
And Spotify was like, shut up old man.
curtis houck
Right, like he didn't look at this ahead of time.
Like someone told him, there's this guy we gotta get rid of.
You gotta come out and threaten to take your music somewhere else.
You gotta choose.
You know, and it didn't work out at all for them.
It flamed out, and even just from the numbers perspective that you were talking about, that's stunning.
Those numbers, I mean, there is no argument, there's no debate about that.
Speaking of facts, in truth, that is a fact.
ian crossland
I bet he thought that a bunch of other musicians were going to step up with him and be like, yeah, I'm signing that.
Hundreds of thousands of millions of views.
Let's take it off kind of thing.
unidentified
Right.
curtis houck
Yeah.
He thought that he could somehow join forces with Spotify employees that are triggered by alternative opinions from Joe Rogan.
tim pool
I'll be honest, I'm willing to bet Joe hasn't even thought twice about any of this, but I like to believe that he's sitting there with his fingers crossed being like, please Spotify, break my $100 million contract so that I can get paid out instantly and then host my show wherever I want.
curtis houck
Well, and I should point out about Jill, in the past she said during one of the presidential cycles that white men should not be allowed to run for office again, among other things.
tim pool
Jill should not be allowed to write for CNN again.
curtis houck
Right.
And she's also recently talked about how a lot of these SCOTUS cases, the current Supreme Court is terrifying to her.
So yeah, I mean...
tim pool
Is she traumatized?
curtis houck
Is she traumatized?
Does she need... Yeah.
tim pool
You saw when Brian Stelter was talking about that?
Journalists who got traumatized from January 6.
It's crazy to me that, you know, the way people feel... You know what?
The mainstream media is threatened by Joe.
He's taken over.
He's dominating the space.
Long-form podcasts like his, like ours, are growing and growing and growing because they're more authentic.
We have politicians on this show.
It's very difficult for them to lie or weasel their way out of things.
So, you know, we're going to have some politicians on the show.
lydia smith
Yes, we are.
tim pool
And I commend them for being brave enough to come on.
Because I think, you know, we had Carrie Lake.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And Ian asked her about owning rocket launchers.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And DMT.
Wow.
Just like conversations.
You know what I can't stand?
I can't stand when you're like watching Obama and they were doing this thing with him where he answered questions on Reddit or something.
And it's like, very clearly they go and they pick 10 very clean and very basic questions to answer.
No, no, no.
I want Kerry to answer the question about owning a rocket launcher.
ian crossland
Yeah, and psychedelics, man.
The psychedelic thing is super important for our leaders to be talking about right now.
You can look away from that as long as you want, but it's a huge part of humanity, and it needs to be addressed politically.
tim pool
Authenticity, is what I'm saying.
curtis houck
Yeah, and this goes to the other point that I see a lot with journalists, and we saw this a lot with Biden's press conference last week.
Journalists ask these such, I don't know, unimaginative questions.
It's so pedantic.
After like five seconds.
And a lot of it is questions that everyone knows the answer to.
Biden has already stated his opinion about X. Jen Psaki has already stated her opinion about this.
But, you know, they want their soundbite and they want to ask the president for yet another time.
Though, the only point I will give them is with Joe Biden, who knows, he may change his mind if you catch him at the right time and his brain is not properly wired for that day and his script is not up to date.
tim pool
You know what I just can't handle anymore is the PR responses we know are fake.
The questions from journalists we know are fake.
I just don't care.
I don't understand how there was a generation of people, boomers, and to a certain degree Gen X, who would like actually sit there, you know, attentive.
to a spokesman for an oil company after an oil spill, when you know they're gonna lie.
When you know the questions are gonna be boring, basic, well, they do sponsor the show, so we gotta be very careful, but we do need to ask these questions.
And I'm just like, why would I waste my time listening to that?
ian crossland
It's kinda like if you're going for a family trip, this metaphor came to my mind, and you're sitting in the backseat, you're a kid, and your dad's driving.
But then all of a sudden, in the middle of the trip, your dad starts screaming at everyone in the car, and you're like, well?
I have two options.
I can sit in the car and take it and then get to where I want to go, this joyous thing I was promised, or I can get out of the car and try and find my own way halfway across the country as a nine-year-old.
So these people watching the media are like on the ride.
They've been sold an American dream and they think that if they sit here and take it, they're going to get there.
They're going to be taken to this promised land.
That's not the way things work.
They've been manipulated the whole time.
curtis houck
The guy who sat in his basement watching, as Ben Shapiro said, eating oatmeal and watching Matlock.
You really think that guy was going to do it for you?
It's really astounding.
And they're flailing because they don't have anyone.
Joe Biden's not going to come to their rescue.
Kamala Harris certainly isn't going to come to their rescue.
If not, it would arguably be even worse.
And they don't have the orator that Barack Obama was to at least make them feel good.
tim pool
You know, he was.
Barack Obama knew how to speak for sure, and he knew how to weasel through questions and things like that.
I will say that this administration is so insane that actually the questions to Jen Psaki are great, even as boring and as lame as they can be.
Like when Biden recently said that he thought the midterm would be illegitimate, Jen Psaki's response is, actually, he was talking about Trump.
He was criticizing Trump.
You're like, dude, we heard what he said.
You're just lying now, making the whole thing worse.
But I'm glad she's lying, because now it's becoming so obvious to everybody.
These are canned responses with canned questions, and it is a waste of your time to pay attention to these people.
curtis houck
Right, and that's one of my beats, actually, for Newsbusters.
I watch Joy Read Show and I watch the White House Press Briefing.
And some of the questions are pretty boring and straightforward, but I have been surprised on certain days how, yeah, even basic questions that journalists ask Elicit such horrible responses from Jen Psaki or whichever special guest that she has on, you know, especially somebody like Jake Sullivan or John Kerry.
It is truly astounding how terrible it is and journalists, I mean...
You would say, oh, it's kind of just a whatever question, but it ends up sounding like an amazing question because their response is just so terrible to these questions and they constantly have to clean up for themselves.
So they're not even trying to set traps for them.
It's not even a trap and they're somehow falling in.
tim pool
I remember this moment when the Deepwater Horizon thing happened.
I was working for these non-profits.
There was this big oil spill.
I was in L.A.
at the time.
And the response you get from these companies is just like, you learn nothing.
They say nothing.
It is as generic as generic can be.
And they may as well have just said nothing, because there was no point in issuing these canned responses.
You know, so we recently had the CEO of Getter on the show, and we were talking about how they banned this dude.
And he couldn't give me a straight answer, and he kept talking in circles.
And finally, I'm just like, dude, this is BS.
You know, I actually swore at the time, but we'll keep it family-friendly today.
And I was just like, I don't want to be involved in that kind of show.
I don't want to sit here and talk to people.
So, you know, this is obviously why people like longer-form podcasts.
It's obviously why they like Joe Rogan's show.
I don't even think it's necessarily about Joe Rogan, to be completely honest.
I think he was first in and best dressed.
And that helped him out.
I mean, he's a famous comedian.
He's a funny guy.
That really works for him.
He's clearly talented.
But I think for the most part, he basically kickstarts this format of sitting down with prominent people in a raw scenario where they can't just avoid the questions, because he's going to be like, I asked you a question, bro, give me an answer.
Not always, but often.
Because you're sitting here.
You want to get up and leave in the middle of the show?
That'll look even worse.
What are you going to do?
In a segment like CNN, where they give you four minutes, it's really easy to patter your way out of a hard question.
Inflation is hitting.
What will you do?
Look, we've got a lot of problems in this country that we're going to be dealing with.
Oh, we're out of time.
Thanks for having me.
Bye.
curtis houck
Right.
Or they're on a panel with ten other people.
And so you get to speak once.
So all told, by the time you add up the amount of speaking time you had, Maybe a minute?
If that?
Or it becomes a shouting match where there's a ton of cross-talk and nobody can understand what is being said.
tim pool
I've gotten invited onto Fox News fairly often as of recent.
And I was kind of like, sure, whatever, I guess.
It's like a couple minutes.
And I was surprised how well those clips do on YouTube.
I think getting like a million or something views on some of them.
And then after a while, I was just like, there's no point in trying to speed talk my way through a three-minute segment.
Can I just do my show?
And maybe it's good, because a lot of people say, like, you know, get as much airtime as possible, get on these shows.
I don't know, man.
It's just, I'm so sick of the inauthenticity.
Just the fake, like, pre-planned conversations.
Here's what we're going to ask you about.
Think about your answer.
And it's just like, I don't know, man.
I want real conversations.
I want to know what's actually going on.
I think that's what people want, too.
curtis houck
Yeah, I think people want, and even some of us just want all of the above.
To be able to have that option to look at the digestible news that you can read, for example, takes you 10 minutes.
Or see a really quick, like, YouTube story, or, like, hear, you know, news and headlines on, you know, a SiriusXM channel, and also be able to have access to longer-form conversations.
And it's possible because of the internet and social media.
That's the reason this show is doing as well as it is, and other shows as well, because people have a thirst for that.
They have a thirst for conversation, uh, and nuance, and, you know, just all kinds of opinions.
tim pool
Let's hit a couple stories all at once.
We got this from Newsbusters.
From Brian Stelter over at CNN, Peter Doocy provoked Biden, Fox, worse for America than SOB insults.
So let's load on in.
So this is a story about, it was Peter Doocy, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So he's a journalist and he asked Biden on the way out of this conference or whatever.
He was just like, is inflation a political liability?
Joe Biden, not realizing that his mic was still on, he said, he's like, you know, inflation, what a great asset, what a stupid son of a bitch, about Peter Doocy.
Apparently, Doocy said that Biden called him and, you know, said it was nothing personal, pal, or whatever, and, you know, effectively apologized.
Fox was particularly gracious.
They were like, okay, you know, we're over it.
And now Brian Stelter is saying Doocy provoked him.
It's because they have to.
It's because they have to have the narrative of the enemy.
These people are our enemy, these people are evil.
And I'm just like, this is exactly why the corporate press is aflame and spiraling out of control.
curtis houck
And it's in less than 12 hours that the narrative has changed.
Last night in his newsletter with Oliver Darcy, faux former conservative reporter
turned Brian Stelter mini-me, the two of them had a bit about this
and Stelter says, well, we're not really gonna spend a lot of time on this because it's not worth our time
and there's a lot more important things going on.
Here's what happened.
It's wrong.
The end.
So in less than 12 hours, we've gone from that to they're doing multiple CNN segments about it, and Brian Stelter saying what Doocy asked was a provocation, even though Jake Tapper said on Jimmy Kimmel last night that the question was fairly erudite.
Like it was, do you believe that inflation is going to be a political liability for you with the midterms?
tim pool
I do think, I think, man, part of me wants to say it's a dumb question to ask because we all know the answer to it.
curtis houck
Correct.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
But it proved to be a very, very good question to ask.
curtis houck
Right, well, and Doocy has explained this by saying that, okay, so it was a meeting of the White House Competition Council about the economy, and most of his cabinet was there, and he'd given remarks about the economy, so then reporters started shouting him questions about Ukraine and Russia, and he expressed annoyance at that, that nobody was asking him questions about the economy.
So Doocy is Hey, I've got, you know, are you taking questions about the economy?
And then he shouted his question about inflation.
So Doocy was on topic, what Biden wanted to talk about, and he gave that reaction.
ian crossland
I kind of get it, because if his question is like, hey, Biden, is inflation bad?
Like, it's like, are you are you insulting my intelligence, dude?
Like, I get why Biden might have reacted like that.
But there's a chance for Joe to come out and be like, Hey, America.
Hey, everybody.
I'm sorry about the way I reacted.
I'm under a lot of stress.
This is unprecedented, what we're experiencing as a human race.
tim pool
Bear with me.
Why is it that we can say that exact line, Ian, but they don't?
Why is it that we can be like, yo, just come out and be like, let me just be honest with you guys.
So when we had the CEO of Getter on the show, we then had the CEO of Gab on the show.
And I think it was Andrew Torba, he said, if the CEO of Getter came out and just was like, look, we banned Nick Fuentes because we're under a lot of pressure from these big corporations who are trying to shut us down, and we were effectively forced to do it, and we're unhappy about it, that's the reality of the situation.
People would have been like, wow, I think it sucks, but I respect him for being honest.
Instead, he's just like, nah, he broke the rules, so we banned him.
It's like...
He couldn't even answer the question.
I don't understand why it is that people can't just be completely straightforward.
Hey, we had to do this!
Like, our hands are tied and we're unhappy, you know what I mean?
curtis houck
Yeah, and how relieved everyone would be, and then we could just move on, if Brian Stelter just came out and said, I am a paid hack who Jeff Zucker tells me to, you know, wake up every day and talk about how Fox News is the enemy of the people.
You know, it would be totally fine.
tim pool
I understand why Brian Stelter would never do anything like that.
And it's different from like, you know, Ian saying Biden could have been like, you know, he could have, he could, he can come out later and be like, yeah, I'm sorry for doing that snapping, man.
It's a stressful job.
You have to understand and just be like really straightforward.
The thing about Brian Stelter, though, is that there's a difference between, you know, a president who's trying to maintain an image and a guy who's paid to maintain an image.
So, you know, look, Joe Biden's trying to save face.
He may or may not come out and be honest about why he reacted that way.
Brian Stelter was hired specifically to lie to people, so he would never be honest about his position because it would just completely upend his entire career.
curtis houck
Well, and to your point about Joe, Joe could have framed it in a kind of a folksy way.
He could have said, yeah, well, even though nothing personal, but he could have just said it and he could come out and said, yeah, I'm under a lot of stress, you know, This country's facing a lot of challenges, but we're going to get through it together.
You know, I ask for your prayers and support.
Uh, you know, anything, anything.
tim pool
You ever see that movie with Robin Williams where he's basically like Jon Stewart running for president?
unidentified
What was that?
tim pool
What was that?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Man of the year.
Oh, okay.
Williams plays this comedian and then he announces he's going to run for president and then everyone
he starts winning but then it turns out there's like a glitch in the system.
ian crossland
Man of the year.
tim pool
Man of the year.
It was actually kind of creepy propaganda if you watch it because it's basically at the time
there was that joke about Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert running for president because everyone
was really excited about it.
Yeah not Colbert you know but Jon Stewart's all right.
But, uh, everyone was really excited.
And they make this movie where it's like, Robin Williams is like, it was really bad that I would run and become president or whatever.
But, but anyway, you know, I bring up this movie because in it, the reason he does really well is because he's candid with people.
He's honest and he just says it and he's, he's sick and tired of the machine.
Then there's also that movie Bullworth.
You ever see Bullworth?
ian crossland
No, I've heard of that though.
tim pool
Bullworth, that's the movie where the guy, he's a senator and he wants to kill himself.
So he just starts, he hires an assassin to end his own life.
And so he's just like at these meetings and he's just saying everything exactly as everyone knows.
He goes to a black church and they're like, last time you came and campaigned, you promised X, Y, and Z. Why didn't you fulfill those promises?
And he's like, well, because you voted for us and you're not going to vote for anybody else.
I mean, come on, let's be real.
It's an amazing movie, but people, they end up loving him.
And then he wants to live or whatever.
But why is it that in our culture we understand that we just are desperate for someone to be honest?
To say the things we all know to be true, to finally admit it when you are lying, cheating, and stealing.
You know, like, how many viewers does Brian Stelter get?
7?
Like, let's be honest, 80,000 maybe?
curtis houck
Yeah, he has on some Sundays pulled in in the demo about 80,000.
unidentified
80,000?
curtis houck
In the demo, yeah.
tim pool
Like, nobody is watching this guy.
At a certain point, I have to wonder, it's like, why even bother?
It's like imagine building a bridge, and then like the end of the bridge just goes straight into a brick wall.
It's like, why did you build that?
So why is he doing this show?
Like, it's just, it's ridiculous.
I hear we are talking about the guy constantly.
I just, I'm wondering when we're gonna break into that moment where, I think we're getting there,
with shows like Joe Rogan's show, with shows like this, where we just have an honest,
and I don't mean like revealing secrets about military and stuff like that within reason.
I mean like someone literally, like imagine if you got a government official
and they were like, a video was released by Julian Assange showing a drone strike killing civilians,
and he said, I wish I could tell all the American people every single thing that goes on,
But there's a reason why we have confidential stuff.
And there's a lot of really disgusting things the American military has done, that I think if the American people found out about, they'd be very angry.
But I also hope people realize that there are people who are trying their best to keep Americans safe, and that means warfare is a gruesome, bloody No, that's a hard sell for the Americans.
ian crossland
If the people knew how we were using white phosphorus and Fallujah in Iraq, how they were using it as an incandescent to light up the scenery, but what it's actually doing is melting human skin of the civilians on the ground that they're exploding it over.
If people knew that we were melting the skin of the civilians in Iraq when we were there, it would have been a different narrative.
And if they found out today, I think it would be pretty jarring.
tim pool
But I'm saying, like, if a guy came out and said, here's why we can't talk about some of this stuff, because if you realized what we did in your name, this country probably couldn't survive.
That this country is, we are wealthy, we are comfortable, and then you have to learn about the things that this country has done, and you're like, it's kind of disgusting.
Obama killed kids.
You know, a lot of them.
And no American's going to vote in favor of that, so they try and keep it hush-hush.
I can understand when they're like, it's top secret, it's confidential, and you know, we believe we're doing good.
Personally, I don't think that's... I think they're not doing good all the time.
I think there's a lot of corruption.
I think they do, you know, weapons deals for the sake of weapons deals.
But my point is more so like...
They come out and they say, freedom, you know, it's evil people who hate freedom.
And it's just like, shut up.
Like there's oil fields in Syria.
We understand why you don't want Trump pulling the troops out.
You know, maybe I just overestimate the average person.
The fact that there are Democrats who buy into all this stuff and keep believing it says a lot, but maybe, maybe that's breaking.
Maybe, maybe it's breaking.
curtis houck
It's slowly but surely, I think, you know, especially now that Trump, you know, is not in the Oval Office.
He's not president.
sitting there that Joe Biden is at the lever here. That he's the president and
he's running the show whether you like it or not and they have other they have
to figure out other things and now that's why they continue to focus on
things like January 6th so that Trump is still a dominant picture so we don't
want to see what's going on over here with Joe Biden and I think enough people
are starting to see through that that it's like people as I've said before
want all kinds of topics covered in their news coverage And they want their politicians to be very versatile and be able to answer these questions, like you guys have talked about, that really span the spectrum instead of just going down these boilerplate things that I think people realize that we may have done this to ourselves, but that doesn't mean we can't find our way out of it.
tim pool
I think... I think we're winning.
You know, I... Oh, yeah.
Yeah, the ratings collapse.
The machine is desperately trying to prop up these shows.
YouTube props up these big networks because they have to.
Because, you know, they have this big, this billion-dollar, multi-billion-dollar machine to propagandize and manipulate, and it's not working.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You got people in their bathrooms on their phones getting more views.
curtis houck
Yeah, and the way you look at it is, it's this partnership with these networks that, you know, what's to say if YouTube and these social media platforms didn't do what they said, that there would be, you know, that we're going to report negatively on you?
You want us to go Fox News or, you know, the way other platforms did on you guys?
I don't think so.
It's the symbiotic relationship where they think they need each other to survive.
Yeah.
And that's why they're pushing all these, you know, new networks onto YouTube and streaming platforms.
CNN Plus, are you kidding me?
You know, that they have lured away all of this talent.
tim pool
Chris Wallace.
curtis houck
Oh, Chris Wallace.
Jake Tapper's going to do a book show interviewing authors.
They hired a host from NPR.
You know, they hired Rex Chapman.
tim pool
It's tiring.
curtis houck
It's tiring, but they're doing it because they are continuing to try and survive, where, you know, they now entered our marketplace, this marketplace, YouTube and social media platforms, so that they can push everyone else out.
tim pool
We need to talk about what really matters.
And what really matters is that a truck carrying a hundred lab monkeys crashed, some lady tried petting the monkey, and now she's got COVID symptoms.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
ian crossland
Correlation is not causation.
tim pool
So this is a hard segway off of the media into something much more fun.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
And potentially apocalyptic.
So this is the story.
You guys may have heard that a truck crashed near Scranton.
And 100 monkeys were on it, lab monkeys.
The monkeys are in high demand right now because they're doing COVID research, out of my guess.
That's what they report in the Daily Mail.
So a couple of the monkeys escaped.
Some lady gets out of her car if the truck crashes.
She steps in monkey poop.
Walks over to one of the cages it's busted open apparently and tries to pet the monkeys.
lydia smith
What was she thinking?
tim pool
She wanted rabies.
ian crossland
What happened next?
tim pool
She's now sick with what she describes as COVID symptoms.
She's saying she's got she's got COVID symptoms.
She called it a day from hell.
She's being quarantined.
Apparently they sent letters out to law enforcement who responded saying you've got a quarantine for like 31 days.
Cause there's like monkey diseases you could get and they're also isolating the monkeys to figure out if they got diseases.
Everybody's tweeting at me, you know, Planet of the Apes, 12 monkeys and the movie Outbreak because they're like, this is how it happens.
So, uh, you know, I think it's funny that we can joke about it.
Be like, ha ha, the monkey truck crashed and the lady got sick.
And it's just like, you know, what if within like a month there's like, you know, 300 confirmed cases of monkey, monkey COVID or whatever.
And then we're like, oh, you know, it's just 300 people in that area.
They've quarantined it.
And like a year later, it's like COVID, you know, COVID-20 monkey syndrome is like going crazy.
curtis houck
What would you name the monkey variant?
tim pool
The monkey variant.
That's what you'd call it, bro.
curtis houck
Call it the monkey variant.
I have to point out that this happened in my home state of Pennsylvania, up on I-80 in the middle of nowhere.
That this lady was driving along and saw the crash and like, do not approach, do not feed the animals, like, do not congratulate.
tim pool
Let me show you my tweeted, holy-ish, it's happening.
Someone, this guy Nico, responded with just a picture of Alex Jones leaning back with his hands in front of his mouth.
Yeah, taking a deep breath.
But I'm going to say this mostly as a joke, but also just as an idea.
This story is a little on the nose.
It's like, it's a lottery ticket in my opinion.
That a monkey truck crashes, they're lab monkeys, and a woman just happened to be following it, gets out, decides to try and touch the monkeys, they hiss at her, she gets sick, and I'm like, this is the perfect narrative for the start of a new variant, you know what I mean?
curtis houck
We're just checking the boxes here.
I still can't believe that this is real.
tim pool
Here's the crazy thing.
ian crossland
The funny thing to me is that there's exactly 100 monkeys on the train.
Which maybe isn't that weird to people.
curtis houck
Especially if it's like lab research.
Why not 99?
unidentified
62?
curtis houck
Why not 101?
People love those.
ian crossland
They're so weird.
tim pool
Well, I mean, you know, a hundred monkeys seems like a round number.
But here's the crazy thing, right?
So when we were researching this story, I was like, let's try and pull up this article.
And so I was looking at all these stories.
None of them mention the woman is saying she has COVID symptoms, except her on her Facebook post and the Daily Mail got it.
When you pull up all of these stories on Google, they all just say she's got pink eye.
She's got a pink eye, that's it.
And then you take a look at what she actually posted on Facebook, and she says the symptoms are COVID symptoms, like seriously, a day from hell.
That's what she said.
Why is the media not reporting that she has COVID symptoms?
Don't they like the fear?
Don't they want the fear?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly right.
curtis houck
And what's to say it's not COVID, but the idea that she said it and put it out there and they don't want anything to do with it?
I mean, it's pretty pathetic that you're willing to stoop down to, you know, you would think when you're putting together a news story about this insanity, you would think that you would want a post, like a Facebook post, where it's a good paragraph of her retelling of what happened.
You would think that you would want to include that in your news reports.
tim pool
But why are they downplaying it?
That's what I don't understand.
She said COVID symptoms and we pulled up all these other stories and it's like pink eye.
She has pink eye.
curtis houck
Exactly.
They don't want to talk about it.
ian crossland
Maybe they're afraid that it's going to be like, she has COVID symptoms and then she'll turn out to be like, actually, it turned out I just had the cold.
Oh, but there's COVID systems, but it was a clue.
tim pool
I don't know what to think, to be completely honest.
This one's weird to me.
The media would love to push a COVID scare narrative.
I mean, they make money on it.
curtis houck
Yeah, the permanent lockdowns.
They have continuous stories day after day of people in hospitals, people dying.
And it's very sad.
I understand that.
And these are people's loved ones.
However, yeah, it is pure fear porn.
It's actual death.
tim pool
They're not pushing it.
curtis houck
And they're not pushing it, whereas previously with Russia, it was this fear of something that really wasn't attached to people's lives, but now they have something that, you know, saying, if you don't do as we say, you'll die.
lydia smith
Right.
ian crossland
Oh, with the COVID stuff, you mean?
curtis houck
Yeah, whereas COVID versus other things.
tim pool
In her Facebook post, she specifically says, symptoms are COVID systems.
She said, uh, I'm very low risk for I don't know what yet, but symptoms are COVID symptoms.
lydia smith
I think that part of the problem here is that the media is, this is a narrative they can't control.
I think that's the reason that we can't find her, um, Facebook posts anywhere except the Daily Mail.
I think that they're trying to get ahold of the story and try to see how they can spin it.
I think it's too early for them to really have their actual narrative lined up perfectly yet.
curtis houck
And I think, yeah, if it turns out to not have been COVID, I would guarantee you they would backtrack and put it up.
unidentified
Yeah.
curtis houck
And saying, you know, she thought she, you know, Fallon thought she had COVID symptoms.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
curtis houck
But she ended up not.
tim pool
Is she maybe saying something else?
Like, what could that possibly mean other than, you know, like, that's the story.
She's saying that she's got sick.
They say in the title that she has a cough and pink eye.
And then her Facebook post says symptoms are COVID symptoms.
ian crossland
Saying that a cough is COVID symptoms is a little like... No, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
They're saying when she said symptoms are COVID symptoms, they said a cough.
ian crossland
Oh, they're saying it's a cough?
tim pool
She literally, in the Facebook post they put from her, it says COVID symptoms.
ian crossland
But like, if you look at these Omicron COVID symptoms, I saw five of them.
It's like runny nose, fever, fatigue.
You're like, oh, okay.
Those are also cold symptoms.
So if she goes out and they go out and she says she might have COVID, she has COVID symptoms, and it turns out she has a common cold, people would be like, uh...
But she did have COVID symptoms.
curtis houck
Plus pink eye!
ian crossland
So maybe it wasn't a big deal.
curtis houck
When you see that in China now, there was a report I saw from one of the networks this morning.
They reported that in China now, if you go into a drugstore and you buy cough medicine like Tylenol, the government will flag you and say that you have to go get COVID tested.
unidentified
Wow.
curtis houck
That they notice that if you went into a drugstore and bought, and you went to the aisle and bought these specific medicines that everybody goes to a CVS or Walgreens nowadays to get, you know, Tylenol, you know, ibuprofen or cough syrup, the government will flag you and say, you need to go get COVID tested because you're buying these medications for symptoms that line up with COVID.
tim pool
I mean, it- Well, it's one way to inflate the cases.
curtis houck
But we're- But, you know, we're gonna send our athletes into this.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's a good point, too.
tim pool
I don't- I don't know, you know, what'll end up happening with the story.
I- I kinda feel like nothing.
It's- It's like, the monkeys escaped.
I think they killed them.
They captured a couple and then killed one of them.
Like, the report is that the monkey was seen in a tree and then several shots rang out.
unidentified
Ah!
tim pool
You know, people didn't watch what happened, but- Jeez.
It's like when you're watching a movie and they take the animal off camera and then you hear a bang.
It's implied within it.
I don't like that.
unidentified
But I just want to point out, take a look at this picture right here.
tim pool
Look at Homeboy.
One of the monkeys pictured was found in a tree and three shots were later heard, WNEP reported.
Imagine being this dude, right?
And you're born or bred or captured.
by these giant creatures who are poking you and prodding you and injecting you with stuff.
And then the ship they're on crashes and you get out and you're hiding, just terrified and desperate.
And they see you and they just kill you.
ian crossland
Imagine if you were born into a country and the social media networks were experimenting on you and your government was experimenting on you and then you tried to escape.
tim pool
North Korea?
ian crossland
I'm talking about the United States.
tim pool
You can escape the United States fairly easily.
ian crossland
You can kind of escape.
You can't escape the system, though.
They don't want you off the grid.
tim pool
Yeah, man, we're... You can't escape it.
So, you know, my thing is like, I feel bad for this dude.
Look at him, man.
He's chilling.
He's not doing anything.
Look how... He's probably scared.
He's probably like, I just want to be left alone.
curtis houck
It's what monkeys do.
They climb... Yes, you see, they climb the trees and they're just chilling out.
They're living... They're trying to live their best lives here.
tim pool
That's brutal.
ian crossland
Were these monkeys infected with something beforehand?
Did it ever come out or were they on their way to get tested on or something?
tim pool
They haven't said yet.
What the article from the Daily Mail says is that monkeys are in high demand for COVID research to do experiments on them.
And that it's also true that monkeys can carry herpes B, which if infects a person, they get brain swelling and then die.
The herpes B virus.
It's extremely rare, but it can kill you if you don't get treated for it.
And I think there's only been ever one case of it transmitting from person to person.
So it's, like, not that good at infecting humans.
But that's why they're scared about these monkeys.
I just feel bad for the monkey bro, who's like, I am finally free, and then he, like, climbs the tree, and he's, like, looking around, and then you shoot him.
ian crossland
It's like, uh, spoiler alert, like, Harrison Bergeron, man.
That monkey had a Harrison Bergeron moment.
Stepped out into the freedom and tasted it for a moment.
tim pool
Is that what happens at the end of Harrison Bergeron?
They kill him?
They do?
ian crossland
I believe.
tim pool
No!
I thought it just ended.
ian crossland
It ends with the door getting kicked open and a bunch of people screaming and death.
Really?
I'm pretty sure.
tim pool
No, I thought it was a short story.
I'm pretty sure I read it.
lydia smith
I'll look it up.
I'm curious.
tim pool
I think you were thinking of something else.
Maybe I'm wrong.
curtis houck
I don't know.
ian crossland
I remember that not turning out so well for Harrison.
lydia smith
No, Harrison!
curtis houck
Oh man, what a monkey.
But yes, shout out to rural PA.
Danville PA is where it took place.
Great people in central Pennsylvania, but I don't know.
I would not want to be living near there right now, but that's just me.
tim pool
I wonder what they were doing with these guys, these monkeys, you know?
ian crossland
Oh, definitely taking them to test on them for sure.
Well, they're medical tests.
tim pool
No, they're lab monkeys.
Yeah, but like, were they doing COVID research?
ian crossland
Putting more chemicals in their eyes?
curtis houck
Imagine, yeah, a senator asking Fauci about this the next day.
tim pool
Uh, Dr. Fauci, a hundred monkeys.
Well, you know Fauci runs that monkey island.
Okay, that's a little hyperbolic.
Fauci funded, through the NIAID, this monkey island thing.
They basically breed a bunch of monkeys in captivity to do torture, to experiment on.
Maximum pain experiments.
Yeah, and it's being called by activists, maximum pain experiments, where they take the monkeys and try and make them feel as much pain as possible to see what they can tolerate before passing out or whatever.
Yo, Fauci's got a track record for doing real messed up stuff.
curtis houck
Yeah, and speaking of Tucker earlier, that's been something he's really been talking a lot about.
He's had people from PETA on.
When did you expect someone from PETA being on Fox News?
tim pool
I think PETA's trash.
curtis houck
That's true.
ian crossland
When someone becomes science, you know, it's no longer ethical.
When the ethics are out the window, it's science first, ethics second.
Like, Fauci has actually declared he was the science.
What a strange thing for a human to declare.
That's like Nazi scientists, man.
They would put the science first, the ethics came second.
Experimenting on a populace with a rushed vaccine is like, I get it, in an emergency, maybe there's precedent, but man, it is still an experimentation.
tim pool
Well, I think we were talking, who were we talking to?
I think maybe it was Bhatia Angusargan.
The vaccines that came out with Operation Warp Speed went through the clinical trials with people who volunteered for it.
And even the right was very critical of parents who were offering up their kids to volunteer for the trials and stuff like that.
So they went through the basic trials.
And then we had a discussion about the Nuremberg Code because people were saying that they're still doing long-term testing.
Which is happening now, because typically it takes a long time.
But by that standard, if that's experimental, everything is, because they're constantly rolling out new treatments that they're then collecting data for long-term studies.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's really like only the Tuskegee experiment.
The things we hear about After Effects, when things have gone wrong, is when we really can look at it and say, well, that was a bad experiment.
curtis houck
Which, if you recall, Joe Biden confused Tuskegee Airmen with the Tuskegee Experiment.
He talked about why African Americans aren't getting vaccinated.
He referred to, oh, what happened to Tuskegee Airmen is a barrier for African Americans to get vaccinated.
tim pool
This stuff is draining.
ian crossland
I know.
tim pool
It's draining.
ian crossland
It's impressive that we talk about it every night.
I think about that daily.
curtis houck
When you guys are talking about examples inside the United States, you go to China, what the Soviets were doing.
Yes, and Nazi Germany.
That stuff, the depravity there.
tim pool
You want to talk about honesty and things that people never want to talk about?
How much have Americans benefited from the human experimentation of the Nazis and the Japanese?
unidentified
A lot.
tim pool
A great deal.
That horrifying unit in Japan.
unidentified
731.
tim pool
731.
One of the stories I read is that they took people and they would stick their arms out into sub-zero temperatures to watch what would happen to a person who was in between.
And then they would shatter the arm once it froze to see what would happen.
And because of that psychotic research, we're able to save tons of lives when it comes to frostbite.
It's horrifying, isn't it?
People need to have a dose of reality.
These monkey experiments are horrifying.
The beagle experiments are horrifying.
But sometimes we don't know what we're going to find when we do stupid things, when we do crazy things.
So my thing is, I'm not going to be naive and just outright be like, we should ban all of this stuff, because I'm like, We do animal testing for medications before we put it on humans, because we don't want humans to die.
And it sucks that animals die in the experimentation, but what's the alternative?
Don't have medical advancement?
Don't do trials?
Don't do experimentation?
ian crossland
I just looked up, what has medicine learned from the Nazis?
This is from The Guardian, and the first sentence is, a lot.
I mean, it just goes on and on and on.
tim pool
How are we supposed to advance medical technology if we don't experiment on ourselves?
ian crossland
I mean, true, that's the history of medicine.
tim pool
Right to try legislation, I think, is a huge, huge opportunity.
In that you've got people who have nothing left to lose who are like, yo, I'm dying.
I need something.
Let me try this experimental medication because I got nothing left to lose.
I'm like that.
I think Florida recently signed that legislation.
Ron DeSantis did.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's that's good.
Trump was very much in favor of this, I think, too.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Before the show, we were talking about this gentleman who got the heart transplanted from a pig, which is really interesting because they did a deep dive on him after the fact.
They're like, oh, my gosh, this guy had committed a bunch of terrible crimes.
And I was like, it makes sense to me that they would experiment with this weird heart on a guy who had committed crimes.
It sounds terrible to say, but then we got to talking about Unit 731.
I was like, this is terrible, but this is where we are.
This is how we've learned a lot of the things we've learned.
curtis houck
The news cycle on this has been fascinating because the Washington Post had this glowing story because it happened up in Baltimore.
And then it was probably three days later it came out.
It was a story right on the front page.
And the whole thing is deconstructing what happened.
That this guy was in a fight, I think in Hagerstown, got in a bar fight with somebody who was feeling up his wife.
And he stabbed him and left him paralyzed.
And he served years in prison.
And so he was a thing for this.
And the entire piece is because he's still in the hospital and he's not really able to do interviews, needless to say.
So his poor son has been left to have to talk about this, and like, what do you have to say about this?
You know, does your dad really deserve—basically, the post's trying to argue, does your dad really deserve life?
And it's a really sad question here, but obviously doctors are going to look really good if this ends up working.
tim pool
I think I understand why there's certain people who want to keep the populace in the dark on a lot of issues, because I think regular people don't want to acknowledge the great benefits they get.
They're really awful things that Anthony Fauci has authorized have have I don't know to what extent they've benefited us But it's it's not so much about what he specifically has done.
I think the gain-of-function stuff has kind of screwed us substantially but in general if the American people I actually got an honest assessment of everything they've gained in exchange for the pain and suffering caused by a lot of research and war.
I really wonder what this country would be like, because I remember saying this during 2015 when Hillary was running, and I would tell my friends, and I'd be like, do you like the way you live?
Do you like your wealth, American empire?
Do you like traveling the world and having whatever you want?
Vote for Hillary Clinton, because she's going to maintain the status quo of the global elites in the war, the bombings, Syria, all that stuff, and you're going to benefit from it.
Do you want to end that stuff?
Do you want to try and pull it back?
Do you want to focus on this country?
Vote for Donald Trump.
But a lot of people didn't want to have that conversation.
They don't want to acknowledge that the United States benefits greatly off of war for a variety of reasons.
That's you know when Donald Trump came out and said he was talking about selling weapons to the Saudis He said it's gonna be fantastic.
All this money is gonna be great for our economy.
Yep.
It is.
Yeah, it's money coming It's oil.
So that's basically what's happening.
We do a weapons deal with Saudi Arabia.
We said we've got all these weapons We're gonna sell you you give us money that money we use to buy oil and oil free energy means human beings have to do less work Greatly benefit from all of this nasty stuff.
ian crossland
Are we buying the oil from the Saudis?
tim pool
It's a global market.
So when they give us money, we can put it into the global market, buying petroleum and stuff like that.
ian crossland
Back from them and other people.
tim pool
Well, that's why I say, basically, we give them weapons for oil.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, and then we have the petrodollar, which maintains the status quo.
But yo, I really, part of me just wants to see how these urban liberals react to the reality.
ian crossland
Oh, I've gone through this.
If you exposed all humans to all human trauma at once, it would obliterate the human mind.
It might turn everyone into organic savages.
tim pool
I'm just saying, give them what they want.
ian crossland
But it might not.
It might help us.
tim pool
Look at that dude.
He's trying to get a heart, right?
But he's refusing to get vaccinated, so they took him off the list.
Yeah, how's that universal healthcare sounding now?
So these people on the left, their attitude is, but vaccines are good.
And I'm like, sure, okay, what happens when the government comes and says, we want you to undergo this treatment, otherwise you won't get your medical treatment and something you disagree with.
Don't give the government the authority to mandate that you get a medical treatment in exchange for life-saving treatment.
That's why we always gotta have private healthcare as an option.
But I'm just saying, all of these, these, you know, hippie, these leftists, these liberal types, I just, I long for the day they get everything they want, in a sense.
I really don't because, you know, it'd be chaos and everything would fall apart.
But for them to just have that moment where they go, oh, now I get it.
And then just to have that loss wash over them where all of a sudden they can't eat, they're struggling to live, electricity is through the roof.
These people, You know, I've found an interesting correlation between people who are socialist and an interesting overlap between people who are socialist and people who have never been to a socialist country.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, it seems to be the same group of people.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, going to Chile completely changed my worldview about policing and about socialization of police.
Like, they have just national police.
It's completely socialized.
It was terrifying, because you'd see feds on every street corner.
You'd see just feds standing there with their guns and their uniforms.
And it's like, there's no one to protect you from the feds at that point.
So you've got to kind of de-socialize law enforcement.
I mean, we have a sort of interwoven socialized system of layered socialism, so it's a little less like blanket socialism.
curtis houck
Yeah, or if you go to, like, other countries like Cuba or countries, you know, former Soviet satellite countries.
Satellite republics, I guess it was called.
And the people that come to America, you know, again, Cubans, Venezuelans, they know their stuff.
You know, they talk about love of freedom and the Constitution and, you know, all the ideals that the left hates.
I mean, phew.
I mean, they're so, I mean, they know.
lydia smith
Well, another thing they say is that you can't lose the U.S.
because this is the last place in the world like this.
And I was going to say, too, that with the monoclonal antibody things, one of the things that they're saying when Jen Psaki was asked about it, she was like, oh, well, it's because vaccines work.
So you're telling me that if you don't get a vaccine, you also can have monoclonal antibody.
That really sounds kind of punitive to me.
But that's what happens when you give the federal government that kind of power.
That's not something we should be trying to do.
tim pool
Well, let's take a we'll take a poll of the our friends here at the crew.
If you were to show your average urban liberal everything that was supporting their way of life, from war, exploitation, to experimentation, my opinion is that they would gladly accept it.
If you went to them and said, here's how many kids were killed by Obama for you to get that,
unidentified
Mm.
100%.
tim pool
you know, cheap computer, they'd be like, agreed.
I'm happy with that.
Do you guys agree with that?
curtis houck
100%.
I think they would, especially the urban elites in the Washington area.
You look at the wealth concentrated in D.C.
that continued during the recession of 2008-2009, that continued with COVID, the growth in defense contractors over the many decades that are all based in the Washington D.C.
area, You can go on and on and on, and I truly think that's something I've learned from living here, living in the D.C.
area the last eight years, that I've become more jaded, but I have.
Yeah, they will accept it.
tim pool
Here's my question for these Democrat voters when they say, you know, I'm voting Democrat for this reason, right?
They want to tax the rich.
Okay, here's my question.
How many children are you willing to kill in order to get higher taxes on the rich?
Is it one?
Two?
Three?
Just give me a number, because Obama killed a bunch of kids.
Obama killed an American citizen named Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki in a drone strike on a civilian restaurant.
I think he killed other people, too.
And the response, the official response was, oops!
We were trying to get somebody else!
curtis houck
Well, and we had that in Afghanistan.
I mean, not in the American system, but we had that in Afghanistan with a drone strike.
And the New York Times released this huge report, and it's like, okay.
ian crossland
Yeah, like, how many kids are you willing to have killed for you, is another way to phrase it.
And then they might not say a lot.
They might be like, oh, I don't want to have any kids.
How many kids with parents who hate your freedom are you willing to have killed?
Oh, well now if they hate my freedom, that's dangerous.
Now, they're going to be okay with the numbers.
People are okay with numbers.
I can deal with X and Y, but if you show them the image of the person being killed, it changes them.
lydia smith
Yes, and this is because of the concept of bloody hands at arm's length.
If it's out of sight, it's out of mind.
If you don't have to see it, you don't see the bombing in Syria.
It doesn't bother you.
It doesn't bother you that people are jumping out of windows in China.
curtis houck
I would just add, I think that my point is especially true with people in Washington.
You go to some liberals in other parts of the country, outside of maybe LA and maybe New York City or Chicago.
You could probably change some minds, but in terms of the ruling elites, it'd be hard to change their minds.
tim pool
You get a bunch of people in public, and you walk up to them and ask them, All of the benefits you receive with cheap gas, cheap products, international travel, a strong passport, come at the expense of children dying.
How many children are you willing to have killed in your name to live this way?
In public?
They're gonna be like, oh, that's really terrible, and none of us agree with that.
But if you get someone truly, honestly in private?
And it's most, I think honestly, most people would be like, I don't want to have my TV shut off.
I like all of the privileges and benefits that are afforded me.
If you explain to people that slavery still exists today, that people who make your clothing and make your phones are effectively slaves, they'd shut up.
I don't want to hear it.
That's why when the conservatives criticize the left over having smartphones, they run into, you know, they go full speed in defense mode of putting up these silly comics.
There's one where that guy is like, you know, there's a guy, a peasant who says, society is, you know, sucks and we should improve it.
and then the guy pops out of the well going, yet you participate in society.
Because they're very, very desperate to whitewash the narrative and be like,
we're good people, we're good people, we're good people.
Yo.
I acknowledge it.
I know full well these computers sitting, these monitor screens, my phone sitting in front of me.
Yes, slave labor.
I'm not a big fan of it.
I'm not a big fan of it, but I recognize and I'll be fully honest about how the world works and understand the privileges and the benefits of everything we get.
Cheap gasoline, the energy we use for our machines, the energy that comes from oil from around the world and under Trump from this country, the fossil fuels.
But there are a lot of people who want to lie because they want to pretend to be good people.
They want to act like they're opposed to this, but they will vote for it every chance they get.
You go to them in private and say, Barack Obama killed kids and signed the indefinite detention provision.
You're gonna sign this, you're gonna sign away your rights, and you are going to get a dollar cheeseburger for the next 10 years.
They're gonna be like, sign me up!
ian crossland
My problem is knowing that this is all built on slaves, even the plastic for this awesome comic book.
How do I stop acknowledging that?
How do I stop myself from hating myself and want to destroy myself?
tim pool
You just realize the world is what it is.
Now I think it's fair to say, you know, we actively speak out against it, we challenge it, and we try to avoid a lot of that stuff.
Some of it is seemingly unavoidable if you want to operate in this system, and I'm not going to pretend like it's not true.
A friend of mine who's an activist, I said, I was talking to this friend of mine, I was like, you claim to be on the left and you care about fighting for these causes, but the reality is you're only fighting for your community, for your country.
And they said, that's not true, I'm fighting for everybody.
I said, no you're not.
You've got a Samsung laptop.
It's made at the Foxconn Laboratories.
Those people are walking off the roof in masks to commit suicide.
They put up suicide nets to catch them because their lives are miserable.
You don't care about those people.
You're putting money into that.
You're supporting that system.
They want to believe that they're good people fighting the good fight, but the reality of the world is that most people can't see that far.
Most people don't realize all the pain and suffering that goes into everything they have.
I get it. I don't like it. I'll try to avoid it. I try, you know, to, to, you know, products made
in America by good, you know, free and fair labor and everything like that. But yo, we don't make
stuff in this country anymore, which is why one of the reasons I voted for Trump in 2020 was because
I would rather have a shirt cost 20 bucks that I can only own a few of if it's made by someone who
gets an honest living, as opposed to helping having these, these sweatshop factories overseas,
where we exploit cheap labor, where they don't get healthcare or anything like that.
I'm not in favor of that.
I'd like the world to be a better place, but I tell you, I rest assured the average person and most people living in cities would sign the dotted line and sign that deal with the devil to get cheap crap because they don't want to have to do the work to get it and it's exploitative but they're for it and they want to pretend they're opposed to it but they support it every chance they get.
ian crossland
Have we ever had a not a slave capital society?
We had the Romans, then we had the Middle Ages where it was all serfdom and slavery.
What were you going to say, Libby?
lydia smith
We have not.
And this is an interesting point because there has always been slavery in the world and people tend to try to tie it to America, which is incredibly unfair because we did not start it.
We ended it.
We did end it.
And one of the things that you guys should do, because I know this is depressing, is go to humanprogress.org because I know the world looks bleak sometimes, but it is very much better for more people than it has ever been good for before.
We are reducing poverty at an incredible rate, people have more fresh water, we have lower infant mortality rates, and even though people aren't actually reproducing as much as they should be to keep humanity going, there are at least other things that are making life better for most people.
tim pool
Let's kick the conversation up a notch.
Let's say you get a president who's like, we're gonna go to war in the Middle East, we're gonna fight for the Qatar Turkey pipeline, we're gonna start a war in Ukraine to push back Russia.
And if you don't vote for that and you get someone who's an isolationist, China takes over and they kill substantially more people.
So the question isn't even how many people are you willing to sacrifice?
The question is people will die no matter what.
And it's a very, very complicated and difficult problem we face as humans.
ian crossland
It's part of why it's been offensive wars like the history.
You attack so that you don't get attacked.
And it's always, that's the cycle.
tim pool
If we, if the United States pulls back from the world stage and rescinds the American empire, that gap will be filled by someone.
And so you end up with these neocons, these war hawks who are like, I'd rather it be me than someone else.
I can certainly understand that worldview.
I just don't, I don't believe in that kind of philosophical, uh, moral position of, it's better that I'm subjecting people to pain and suffering because someone else would do it anyway.
I'm like, well, you're committing an immoral act.
We should push back against the immoral acts, but not commit them.
It's tough, man.
curtis houck
It's uncomfortable.
It's an uncomfortable conversation.
And I'll just point out, you know, beyond products, two of the biggest events in the world this year, the Olympics in China and the World Cup at the end of the year in Qatar.
All produced by slave labor.
unidentified
Yep.
curtis houck
That, you know, around Thanksgiving, Christmas time, everybody's gonna be tuning in for soccer, and that's been one of the huge stories, but people are still gonna tune in.
tim pool
You know, the reason I say it's mostly city people is because people who live out in the middle of nowhere, you know, conservative types and rural types believe in personal responsibility, are responsible for a lot of their own food, and they're willing to roll up their sleeves and do hard work.
But people in cities, man, They just want to exploit, extract, not every single person, just a lot of them.
You know, think about the person who works at BuzzFeed, right?
How much do they pay people at BuzzFeed?
50 to 90k, if you look at Glassdoor.com.
And what's their job?
To write garbage.
Poisonous trash.
BuzzFeed is complete garbage.
And they're not the only ones, there's right-wing garbage too, don't get me wrong.
The issue is, there's no reason, in any sane reality, that someone at BuzzFeed should be making that much money.
Because there are people who drive buses who deserve more than that.
Because driving a bus does something for society.
But writing about Brad Pitt's junk does not.
And they make tons of cash.
All of these big New York media companies are garbage.
And it's an example of these people who are providing nothing, but they're extracting everything.
curtis houck
Yeah, writing about, I don't know, some model, you know, or the latest, I don't know, Britney Spears video.
ian crossland
Yeah, I went to BuzzFeed, Britney's face is at the top.
curtis houck
Yeah, Britney Spears, Britney Spears.
Okay, it's fine, you know, that's Entertainment Tonight, you know, the magazines you read at the checkout at the grocery store, but like, seriously.
Uh, to think that those organizations make the money that they do is just simply astounding.
And of course, as you remember, BuzzFeed, you know, a combination with all their listicles and talking about, you know, this person's junk or, you know, this person's hairdo, they're the ones that partnered with, you know, John Brennan and Clapper and Jake Tapper to release the Steele dossier.
tim pool
Because they just want to extract.
They're stealing the fine china from the ship after the iceberg was hit, they know it.
You know, I tell this story often.
When I worked for American Eagle Airlines doing, like actually loading planes, eventually I was an acting crew chief, so sometimes I'd be in charge of the room, but sometimes I'd be working, you know, loading the planes.
getting paid you know like $11 an hour and the first time I walked into vice and saw what little
these people did and how much they got I was like how is it you're getting three or four times
what actual laborers are getting paid and you are doing nothing but anyway we gotta go super chats
If you haven't already, smash that like button, get your Super Chats in now, and then go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we're gonna have uncensored members-only content coming up around 11 or so p.m.
We have a huge library.
You can check out all of our past members-only videos with people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and, you know, Alex Jones and people like that.
Well, let's see what you got.
Let's see what we got.
Charlie Wilson says, in the morning, Lydia, Ian, Curtis, etc.
How would y'all allow that Curtis to wear that hat?
Go Canes!
curtis houck
Oh, the Hurricanes, the bunch of jerks, as the team is called.
They called themselves.
And they knocked the Capitals out the year after they won the Stanley Cup in seven games.
lydia smith
You're speaking of hockey.
curtis houck
Hockey, yes.
Okay, sorry.
It cuts deep.
Well done, though.
It cuts deep.
tim pool
We have this super chat here.
I can't read your name because YouTube blocks off the first super chat, but he says, I heard that most people with less than 90 IQ can't understand conditional hypotheticals.
If that's true, it explains so much.
ian crossland
That makes sense.
tim pool
It's also, I think the military said someone with an, I could be wrong with this, I think someone super chatted us about this before, someone with an IQ under 80 cannot be enlisted because there's not a single job they can do.
unidentified
Correct.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think if your IQ is too high, you're not really suited for the military either because you're willing to question authority.
You're almost compelled to question authority.
tim pool
I don't, I don't, I disagree with that.
ian crossland
I thought I'd heard that in the past.
tim pool
A high IQ is not indicative of pro or anti authority.
In fact, someone with a high IQ could be an authoritarian despot who takes over and would be someone who's got the skills and the mental abilities could just be put in a high ranking position.
ian crossland
But they don't want a despot to take over the military either.
tim pool
They don't want, like, a mastermind or... Someone who's that smart would be able to manipulate and control that system and not have to worry about it, you know what I mean?
Like, someone who's that smart would run circles around the stupid people who are running the show and then take it over.
ian crossland
Yeah, it'd be dangerous.
That's why I think they don't want him, but I could be wrong about that.
tim pool
But I don't think honesty has anything to do with intelligence.
Stupid people can lie, stupid people can tell the truth, smart people can lie, smart people can tell the truth.
curtis houck
Morals.
tim pool
Dan says YouTube is misrepresenting the show stating only one viewer.
Yeah, that's been happening for like the past week or so and it's been happening to other shows as well.
I think I was watching Crowder and it said one viewer.
lydia smith
Thank you for being our one viewer tonight.
tim pool
I saw on YouTube it was like Steven Crowder live one viewer and I was like, well that's broken.
lydia smith
Yep, that's broken.
curtis houck
YouTube, Twitter, that's all.
tim pool
Baxter says, so does Apple hand over people's text messages to Congress now willy-nilly and this is something new?
I thought iMessage texts were end-to-end encrypted and not even Apple could see them.
How does everyone have everyone's text now?
Is Alex using Samsung or?
I don't know.
That's a good question.
Maybe Apple did hand them over.
lydia smith
No idea, yeah.
tim pool
Maybe that's it.
ian crossland
And encryption, but if you can't confirm the code, they can tell you it's encrypted.
Might not be encrypted.
tim pool
That's the thing about Signal, too, because, you know, I use Signal.
It's supposed to be an encryption, and I think it's Moxie made that, right?
Moxie Marlinspike is the guy who made Signal.
curtis houck
I don't know.
lydia smith
I believe so, yeah.
tim pool
And I've talked to him before.
He seems straightforward and honest, but for all we know, Federal agents showed up to their office with a national security letter and said, you give us a backdoor, you get locked up and disappeared.
And they said, well, I'd rather not be disappeared, so here's your backdoor.
lydia smith
I have looked at the list of what they can see, like the FBI can go through and pull and signals, one of the best.
tim pool
One of the best?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But you don't know if they were ever served a national security letter.
That's the challenge.
So Ian's right, unless they show you the code, there you go.
curtis houck
We've come a long way from, if anyone recalls what happened with the San Bernardino Islamic attack in California, that was a huge story about how You know the feds were trying to crack the iPhone of either the the attacker or his wife and Apple wasn't turning it over.
And that was I think 2014 2015.
All right.
ian crossland
So they had something to turn over and they were refusing it.
curtis houck
Yeah.
Yeah.
They asked Apple and Apple was basically like you figure it out.
We're not going to.
tim pool
All right, let's read another one.
We got Rob Maddy says, will you guys consider doing an audiobook of Tales from the Inverted World?
Also, can Alex Jones narrate it?
That would actually be really awesome considering it's like mysteries and stuff.
But in fact, the Tales from the Inverted World book, you can get it.
I think it's not identical, but for the most part, it's the same as a podcast.
So if you check out the Tales from the Inverted World podcast on iTunes and Spotify, you can listen to the sound effects and the creepy music and Shane, the author, is telling these stories.
It's fun, man.
I'm really excited for the new part two, or the next season, I should say, which is Ghosts of the Civil War.
Going down to the South, trying to find the lost Confederate gold.
Somebody died during the investigation.
There's UFOs down there.
No joke.
But it's near experimental military research bases, so it's not like it's aliens or anything.
ian crossland
I heard that they had flying machines during the Civil War, like hot air balloon type stuff.
curtis houck
Oh yeah, it was in Udvar-Hazy where one of the space shuttles are Smithsonian Air and Space Museum annex and they have an exhibit where they talk about hot air balloons and how it would be used as reconnaissance during the Civil War.
tim pool
Interesting.
Roberto says, have you seen Howard Stern coming out and saying Joe Rogan shouldn't be cancelled?
It came up on my feed after reading about Neil Young failing.
Yeah, and I think it's out of self-preservation.
I think Howard Stern is like, man, I don't want to get cancelled on the things I said, you know what I mean?
curtis houck
Yeah, he's had a few bad news cycles as of late lashing out about unvaccinated people, so he's trying to save face here, pretty clearly.
tim pool
Damien says, saying the sky is blue is like saying water is water is wet, and a fish never drink water when thirsty.
Okay.
All right.
RT says, good morning, y'all.
I'm commenting about Tim saying electricians don't have time to watch the show yesterday.
I'm an electrician in Brooklyn and listen every morning while I work.
Much love from New York, and please give my music a listen.
At RTbaby on IG.
I will clarify that I may have misspoken, but I don't think that's what I was saying.
I said your average electrician doesn't have time to do all the news, to read all the articles that we read.
So we can't expect your average tradesman or office worker to know why Fauci is a liar and how he's lying.
But what we do is we actually, I mean you, Curtis, you watch the news all day every day and then pull out and call out the lies and the manipulations.
We do something similar.
We do, outside of just media, you know, we're fact-checking and doing standard journalism across the board.
That's our job.
curtis houck
Right.
tim pool
Somebody who's an electrician has a job to be an electrician, so they come to us for that news and that distillation.
curtis houck
We mean this as a compliment that, yes, a 20,000-word story in The New Yorker about, I don't know, Fauci, is not something that we believe really any person should be subjecting themselves to, that there's an incalculable number of things that you can do better with your time than that.
So, let us know.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't envy your job, man.
ian crossland
You're like an admin, looking at all the traumatic content coming through your feed.
curtis houck
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
tim pool
Alright, Ron Junior says, please do the next super chat in Alex Jones voice.
ian crossland
I like that.
tim pool
Alright, I'll try.
What do we have here?
unidentified
Wraith Customs Firearm says, Neil Young doesn't even do most of his music.
tim pool
Couldn't remove it even if he really wanted to.
lydia smith
That's fair.
I like that.
curtis houck
No lies detected.
tim pool
All right.
Twisted Logic Gaming says, why not both?
Start a Minecraft channel, Tim.
One hour a week, relax and play a game.
Add your values into the commentary.
Oh, I couldn't do it, man.
I do too much work already.
Morning show and night show is just work, work, work.
Plus, people don't understand, man.
There's so much administrative stuff that goes on behind the scenes.
It was funny when I was talking to Joe about this, and I was like, you know, I record, I think, three and a half hours of content per day, maybe four some days.
And he was like, yeah, but that's still only, like, what, three or four hours of work per day.
And I was like, that's just recording it.
Well, I think for Joe, he sees news and stuff throughout the day and he reads the news, and then he sits down in a room and he talks to someone and then he goes back to his business, whereas for me it's like I wake up, I'm reading, at night I'm reading, I sit at the computer all day just reading, fact-checking, pulling sources, you know, doing my best, and then I record after I've read enough to where I feel comfortable and understand something, you know what I mean?
curtis houck
I think that's our- that's one of the biggest misconceptions I get from people, from readers, or just people that are curious about newsbusters.
Like, it somehow sometimes gets the assumption that we're able to pound out these studies about thousands of minutes in just like, you know, four hours or something, three hours, and you're like, No, you can't do that.
If you're going to do it right and you're going to actually do it accurately, because we're saying the media aren't doing things accurately, some of these things sometimes take a while for us to get going, you know?
Or even just, if you want to do a monologue form for a podcast, you've got to prepare things that you want to talk about.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I looked up Neil Young and I can confirm it.
He sold half the rights of his catalog to a company called, uh, for $150 million.
tim pool
So he doesn't even own it.
curtis houck
He can't even get it filled up.
tim pool
Yeah, what's up with that?
ian crossland
He owns half of his catalog?
I don't know what kind of pull he thinks he has anymore.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, smash da muv uckin' Luke button.
The Luke button?
lydia smith
There's a no Luke button.
tim pool
There is no Luke button.
Luke abandoned us.
ian crossland
Luke this video.
lydia smith
Luke this video?
tim pool
Yeah, Luke is in a better place.
ian crossland
Smash that Luke button.
unidentified
Smash the like button.
tim pool
John Hoyle says, in today's climate it was very brave of you to stand up for free speech and criticize Getters and Miller's error.
unidentified
I don't, I don't, you know what man?
tim pool
When the left comes out with these smear pieces about us and what we do, they're lying.
It is annoying when they lie and they're like, you know, these leftists who don't actually watch the show get all their only information about me comes from the Young Turks who pull things out of context or like these other fake channels that try to manipulate and propagandize by pulling things out of context.
But we've criticized Trump quite a bit, literally just criticized Tucker Carlson, you know, half an hour ago or whatever.
I don't care, man.
I'm not here to play games and just lie to placate, you know what I mean?
If Tucker Carlson does a stupid segment about sexy M&Ms, I'm gonna be like, that was a really dumb segment.
Even Freedom Tunes made fun of it.
Yeah, it's like if you're a principled person, you can criticize people who are mostly on your side.
That's one of the reasons why I think the right has been so appealing to regular people, is that they're willing to be like, we recognize the fault in that, and let's move forward and try and live better lives, you know what I mean?
Where the left is just, cancel and censor and burn it all to the ground.
curtis houck
We're gonna praise you, and that's always been one of my things, sometimes when we get mainstream journalists that'll criticize us, that, you know, you praised us, you know, two weeks ago, why are you attacking us now?
It's because It's because we can.
We're going to criticize you when we want to.
We're going to say you did something right when we want to.
Deal with it.
I mean, it should be astounding, but it's not that their brains are that thick.
ian crossland
I was thinking that you can't be principled and be partisan.
I don't know if the two things can exist together.
Partisan means you adhere to an ideology without principle.
tim pool
If you're overtly—I mean, there's shades of gray, right?
But if you're overtly partisan, your goal is just to support party line, then yeah.
Donald Trump can come out and be like, it should be illegal to burn the American flag. And then
Candace Owens says the same thing.
And I'm like, I think that's wrong. I think if you own the property and it's in a safe
environment, you can burn whatever it is you want. And I think as, as, uh, you know,
I used to be a big fan of Penn Jillette. Now he's kind of lost it. He was with Newsom.
Yeah. But he had, they had this really great bit Penn and Teller where they take, um, like it's a
declaration of independence, I think, or the constitution, and they stick the American flag
in it and then put fire and then the fire comes out and they open it and the flag's gone. And
he says that burning the American flag is the ultimate symbol of the freedom that it represents.
And I'm like, that is correct, so long as it's your flag.
Like when Antifa steals a flag from somebody and burns it, you know, that's theft and vandalism of property.
But I think if it's yours and you own it.
So when I see Trump say it should be illegal to do and other people say that, I'm just like, I don't agree with that.
I think it's stupid.
I think it's against free speech.
And anybody who claims to be for free speech, but thinks you don't have a right to, you know, desecrate your own property to make a statement is wrong.
And I have no problem saying Trump is wrong and Candace Owens is wrong on that.
But guess what?
I said Candace Owens was wrong about that.
I said it was dumb.
She's still willing to come on the show and have a discussion.
That's why I—and Ben Shapiro's much the same way.
When they fling mud at him, he rolls with the punches and he jokes about it.
I think that's appealing to regular people.
curtis houck
And that's why Peter Doocy—the same with the Peter Doocy thing with Joe Biden.
You know, he's rolling with the punches on this and he's joking about it.
The president can call me whatever he wants as long as he gets talking.
Nobody needs to apologize to me.
And people just find that so refreshing in this day and age.
tim pool
Yeah.
Johnny, California says finally bought a membership hearing you guys curse so casually is really weird It's like the first time a new girlfriend lets you hear her fart.
Yep, that is true. Yeah, Ian. He's the worst right people think he's this mild-mannered hippie guy
But as soon as we go in the members only segment he puts his suit on he's talking with you know
He lets the accent come shave Completely fresh-shaven short hair too. Yeah this I can't
unidentified
wait for You're missing out if you're not a member it's gonna be
tim pool
good All right, Harry toes monkey trucker disease
Copyright it.
You got it.
We're gonna own that.
We're gonna make shirts.
Monkey, monkey trucker disease.
curtis houck
It's better than the monkey variant.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I like that monkey variant.
tim pool
What is this?
September says the monkeys were put down.
The truck driver said they were cats.
That's what the lady claimed.
She was told they were cats.
lydia smith
So weird.
curtis houck
Still regardless, I would not, you do not approach.
tim pool
Were they, were they smuggling the monkeys?
Man, that'd be so crazy.
The Real Bambunga says, the media fear mongers when there isn't anything to fear.
I'm kind of terrified this monkey story isn't getting a lot of attention.
Might be serious.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yo, what if it like, yeah, what if it's, you know, they want to keep it under wraps because it really is a major breach?
ian crossland
Maybe they are smuggling the monkeys and that's why they said cats and aren't covering it.
tim pool
Well, I mean, it's in the news.
Everybody talks about what happened.
Now this lady's saying she's sick.
It's also like the perfect story for, you know, if it turns out there's a new variant, everybody starts getting sick.
And they're like, well, you all saw the monkey story, man.
So right now, you know, it's funny.
Imagine this.
Hypothetical.
The Wuhan lab leak.
Well, the virus emerges around Wuhan, there's a story about someone getting bit and peed on by a bat, and then you've got Anthony Fauci funding research, and it's easily traced back.
And that's the story, right?
So now they're like, alright, do over everybody, do over, we're gonna do a do.
Let's make sure that whatever the new variant is, there's a clear origin story.
So it's a bunch of monkeys!
And a lady got sick, and that's where it came from.
curtis houck
We're in this age of reboots where everybody's rebooting everything, trying to do sequels to everything.
You know, movies, books, everything else.
I mean, come on!
We're just gonna completely start over from scratch.
We're gonna change all the storylines.
We're not gonna be in a cave.
We're gonna be on a highway.
unidentified
I mean, yeah, we're rebooting COVID.
curtis houck
I mean, yeah.
And I was going to say, and we're supposed to smash NASA, supposed to smash, you know, a spacecraft into an asteroid later this year.
ian crossland
And it's not going to work.
curtis houck
It's not going to work.
And it's probably going to end up coming here.
ian crossland
At the end of the last ice age, the comet that hit North America apparently shattered before it hit.
So it, all these fragments hit and that's way worse than one.
And then 800 years later, the rest of the comet fragments hit again.
So like, do not blow asteroids up.
tim pool
You know what one of my favorite conspiracy theories is?
It's not really a conspiracy.
This is the stupidest thing.
I hate how everything's a conspiracy theory when it's not even a conspiracy theory, right?
The idea of a conspiracy theory is that, like, an evil Kabbalah group is committing crimes.
But now it's like Flat Earth is called a conspiracy theory, and I'm like, I mean, I guess if you think the government's covering it up, but that's just like a ridiculous theory itself.
But I love this.
You can read about it.
There's people who believe that the asteroid belt is actually a planet that was blown up, like in a galactic war or something.
ian crossland
I'm not surprised.
tim pool
Yeah, and those are the fragments.
ian crossland
I've heard the moon is left over from a commentary from an impact from planet Theia hit the earth and came out the other side and then cooled down and became the moon and that Mars, if you look at that giant 1800-mile scar across the planet, it looks like something hit Mars and skidded across the surface and ripped it open.
And then you see all that iron oxide dust, probably from the magma that just covered the surface.
tim pool
Wouldn't it be cool if the actual history of the planet was that aliens came to colonize a perfect solar system with a gas giant, and then a war broke out in space, and they blew up one of the planets, which became the asteroid belt, and we're just like the leftover servants?
You know, we were like the help of like, you know, the humans were the alien species that came to Earth.
And after the war broke out, there was just like, you know, middle class people who are on the planet doing work and the ships all leave and they're like, all right, what do we do now?
ian crossland
Were they made to watch the planet get blown up?
tim pool
No, no, I'm saying like, alien colonists were like, the solar system's pretty good, and so they send middle class laborers down to the planet and start doing basic work like tilling the fields.
They're not highly educated, they're not elites, they're not scientists, they're just regular people who know how to do plumbing and electricity and stuff.
And then conflict breaks out between the elites in the sky, and then they blow up a planet and leave, and the people on Earth are just sitting there like, now what do we do?
And there's only a small group and then here we are, you know, thousands of years later, the civilization, completely oblivious to what the past was.
ian crossland
Do you think we were seeded, the Earth was seeded with life?
Like, hominid life?
curtis houck
Huh.
tim pool
That's a weird thing to ask somebody.
curtis houck
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's why I'm kind of like, oh my gosh, that's a weird question.
ian crossland
I personally don't.
It's just interesting.
Some people think that like ancient humans came from somewhere else and landed here and kind of started this.
tim pool
Let's read more about monkey trucks.
curtis houck
Yeah.
tim pool
Carl Schneider says they only found 98 of the 100 monkeys lock your windows.
I thought they said they got them all.
They killed one of them.
That's the implication.
curtis houck
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
curtis houck
Yeah.
tim pool
Someone said, uh, Brian Knowles says, the monkey truck issued 100 monkeys, but crates with three in each.
That's 99 monkeys, with multiples of three.
But somehow there was a fourth monkey on the loose, plus Fauci pushing for more gain of function.
curtis houck
The hundredth monkey was the driver.
tim pool
It was actually a monkey illegal immigration truck.
And they were using the crates as like a disguise to like, you know, and the monkey was driving and he's like, Oh, I see.
curtis houck
They were, they were given notices to appear.
Checking at their ICE facility.
tim pool
Yes.
I love this one from Raymond G. Stanley.
He says, why no tranquilizers?
That's effed.
F. Biden.
Like, like Biden did it.
lydia smith
I mean, it wasn't him, as such.
tim pool
Just blame Biden for everything.
Yeah.
curtis houck
Yes.
tim pool
And the monkeys got out.
Zachary says, Michelle Fallon updated the situation on her Facebook page.
I just looked.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
So is she still sick or is she all right?
lydia smith
Oh, I'm curious now.
tim pool
All right.
McSquared says, Tim, the same media that won't say the wind had COVID
symptoms vehemently downplayed a lab leak as a source of COVID.
If someone can get COVID from a lab animal, it lends legitimacy to a lab
leak possibility.
ian crossland
It would be shocking if the monkeys, if they are transporting monkeys that had
That would shock me if that came out.
Like, I can imagine them sending them somewhere to experiment on them, but to transport them across the state would be another level of like, whoa.
tim pool
I would not be surprised, bro, if you read about what Fauci was doing.
lydia smith
The unwise.
tim pool
Breadbox says, have you guys reached out to Barry Weiss for IRL?
Her personal evolution of morals and logic coming from the left is refreshing.
Would be interesting to see the clash of ideas between all of you.
Well, look, you know, Barry's always welcome to come on this show.
She's a particularly prominent personality.
I don't know if she would have time, but we can reach out to her same as we do for everybody else, but I will say this.
Um, my view of Barry is that she's well aware of the culture war.
She knows exactly who Jordan Peterson is.
She knows who the intellectual dark web is.
She knows all of the ideas that individuals in that group have espoused.
So for her to come out on Bill Maher now shocked, I feel like is disingenuous.
ian crossland
Do you think she's virtue signaling for her friends?
tim pool
No, I kind of feel like she waits until she feels like it's safe to speak out.
And that's why it took so long for her to speak out at the New York Times about what was going on.
Because when I worked for Fusion, I saw exactly what was happening.
Exactly what was going on with the shift in the narratives and especially with Vice.
It's hilarious how Vice was this edgy bro website and now it's a feminist company.
And I'm watching that happening, and I have no problem saying, this is dumb, I tried quitting Fusion.
They were like, no, you can't.
So for these people who are in media to be like, I didn't realize what had been happening!
I'm like, shh, you know exactly what was happening, come on.
You know, we're all sitting there in these same meetings.
I've had so many people at these companies be like, the editor-in-chief is a psychopath.
He's saying the stupidest things in the world.
And I'm like, speak up, I don't want to lose my job.
Okay?
So when you come out seven years later, and you're like, I'm shocked at what's happening!
No, you're not.
There are a bunch of people who worked in administrative stuff at Fusion, at ABC News, because I worked in the ABC News building.
I worked in the ABC News building right by Central Park, and I also worked in the Univision building in Miami, because I moved from New York to Miami, and I was in the first year in New York, second year was in Miami.
I thought it'd be better if I was closer to the core team.
But even the people at ABC News, who didn't work for Fusion, would be like, I'm watching this insane stuff happening.
You know, like the shift in narrative.
They know it's happening, but they don't want to speak up because, this is why I said, my view of urban liberals is that if you went to them and said, everything that you have, and everything good that's been given to you, you can keep.
And all you gotta do is sign this document ordering the execution of a child in a foreign country.
They'd be like, done and done.
They would sign on the dotted line.
They'd vote for Obama twice.
The first time he gets elected, he's like, I'm gonna go vote for a bunch of kids.
And then he did.
And then they're like, I'm gonna vote for that again, even though we're supposedly the anti-war voters.
All that protesting about George W. Bush.
So I'm sorry, you know.
For people who work for the New York Times, for people who work for these big media companies, my view is, they all know.
Any reasonable, moderate, traditional liberal type, I assure you has sat in that meeting and been like, you guys have lost your minds.
But far be it for me to say anything because I don't want to lose my job.
So the real question is not that they're discovering this and having a moral transition, but they're finally saying, is it safe for me to come out and criticize the cult now?
I've had no problem since the beginning to say these people are psychopaths.
ian crossland
Let me come out and tell you with the same emotion I felt three years ago when I first had this thought, and I'm going to try and replay it for you right now as if I'm having it genuinely for the first time.
curtis houck
That's why COVID is such a strong example of the hypocrisy and people finally coming to terms.
You see even mainstream outlets like the New York Times say that, oh yeah, this is really terrible.
This is awful what's going on here with our kids.
And it's so disingenuous.
And again, it goes back to what we were talking about earlier about honesty.
People are just thirsty for honesty and tired of the BS.
tim pool
Alright, we'll just get one more right here.
House Money says, Neil Young likely deleted his tweet because he thought to himself, oh ish, I forgot I sold 50% of my catalog a couple years ago.
I guess I can't do that.
I just love the idea of someone at Spotify being like, Sir, we're gonna lose Neil Young's music unless we ban Joe Rogan.
What do we do?
We have to ban Joe Rogan.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
Joe would be like, OK, if you terminate the contract, you owe me $100 million and then I'll put my stuff back up on YouTube.
So that ain't going to happen.
They got an exclusive on it.
But my bigger fear is what happens after Joe stops.
You know, is Joe going to be 70 doing this show?
You know, he's going to be on Spotify or I mean, his Spotify deal probably won't exist.
Spotify might not even exist.
But is he going to be 70 years old?
How old is Joe?
Is he like 56 or something?
lydia smith
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
54, 56.
14 more years.
He's going to be like, I'm Joe and this is the show!
ian crossland
He'll be young.
He's on the life extension.
He's got like, he's first in line for the Harvard Medicine.
tim pool
Getting that NAD plus stuff.
curtis houck
Don't sell him short.
tim pool
He's going to be 80 and he's going to be the exact same age as them.
He does look great too.
curtis houck
That's the point, yeah.
tim pool
In one of the articles I was reading today, they showed a clip from News Radio.
Have you guys ever seen that show?
ian crossland
Yeah, Andy Dick was on it.
Joe Hartman.
tim pool
Joe Rogan.
I think it was the first show that Joe was on.
He was really young.
But it was this really hilarious scene where Phil Hartman's character, Bill, reads the news.
It's a news radio.
So he's like, in today's news, Congress passes a bill.
He needs someone to fill in.
So he asks Joe.
And in the show, Joe is an electrician or whatever, and a conspiracy theorist.
And it turns out he's like... Who's the boss guy?
ian crossland
Oh yeah, Dave Foley.
tim pool
Dave Foley, that's right.
So Foley is like, Bill, what are you doing with Joe?
You can't just take whoever you want and put them on the radio.
And the reason Phil Hartman's character did it was because he wanted to look good.
He thought Joe would be really bad.
And so he's like, I'm going to go grab a coffee.
And he gets out.
And then Dave Foley says to Joe Rogan's character, you can't do this.
You got to go.
And then he's like, all right, well, you got 15 seconds to get someone in here to read the news.
And then Dave's like, all right, do it because there was no one else.
And then it's an amazing bit where he starts reading the news really, really well.
And everyone's like, wow, he's actually really good at reading.
And then Phil Hartman's character comes in, and then he asks him a question.
He was like, why is the weather gonna be cold, Joe?
To try and put him on the spot.
And then Joe goes, well, if it's like any other cold front, it's probably due to a low pressure system that's coming in from the east.
And then he's like, so then he grabs the paper from Joe and crumples it up.
And then he's like, so what was happening then?
And Joe goes, I don't have my report in front of me, but if memory serves, in Congress today, a bill was passed.
And it's just really, really good.
It was funny they included it because it's a bit about Joe being good at talking, but that was his character in the show.
Anyway, guys, we're going to go to the members-only segment.
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We're able to do all of this, and we're going to do more.
Ten years' time, we are going to be bigger than Disney.
Mark my words.
I like it.
Ambition.
ian crossland
Bigger.
Bigger meaning more fiscally larger or more people larger?
tim pool
I don't know how many employees Disney has.
I don't know.
We're going to have a hundred thousand employees.
It's going to be an exponential growth.
We're going to take over the media ecosystem.
We are going to shatter the corrupt mainstream news narrative and we are going to bring back real journalism and real reporting.
In fact, we've already done it.
And with your support, we will continue to do it.
And then we're just going to have this world that's centered around people are going to be like, yo, I like this Tim Cass News website.
They never tell me what to think.
They just tell me what happened.
That's all that really needs to happen, right?
And then we do this talk show.
We have our opinion stuff, but our news is going to be, yo, this is what happened.
We're not going to misrepresent it.
I'll tell you, I'll give you a really good example.
The voter rights bill from Democrats.
You could just as easily call it a voter suppression bill, but the reality is it's a voter overhaul.
But all the media, let's say voter rights, voter rights because they are lying, duplicitous, disingenuous.
You get the point.
You want to shout anything out, Curtis?
curtis houck
Newsbusters.org!
Newsbusters.org.
Follow me on Twitter at Curtis Hauk, all one word, my name, because that's where I tweet all of the horribleness from Joy Reid and Nicole Wallace and Jake Tapper and all the rest, so you don't have to.
And I watch Jen Psaki, too.
And I actually try to figure out what Biden's saying and bring it together.
tim pool
I'll just say Jen Psaki's really good at her job.
lydia smith
She is, yeah.
tim pool
Like to be like making cohesive sentences out of what Joe Biden has stated.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Amazing.
tim pool
It's, it's, you know, she's a liar, but you know, she's getting it done.
curtis houck
Exactly.
You can, you can say that, yeah, she's liar and she's pretty terrible, but like,
you can say like that someone is able to string together sentences out of Joe
Biden's drivel.
That's it.
tim pool
There you go.
ian crossland
I watched Saki say, Hey, if you had a hard weekend, you know, just drink some
alcohol and then come back and fight.
I'm like, what the hell?
She's telling people to drink and fight?
curtis houck
Go to a kickboxing class and drink a margarita.
ian crossland
Maybe rethink your advice there.
Hey, I'm Ian Crossland.
Curtis, great to see you, man.
Thanks for looking into the darkness.
I didn't have to.
Check me out at iancrossland.net and I will see you guys soon.
lydia smith
And I was going to say, I do appreciate Tim's ambition for the company.
We have a lot of fun over here.
We have a lot of fun on the vlog.
And today I made egg custard and someone left a little gift in it.
So you guys should go over to Timcast or sorry, Castcastle and watch that episode from today.
And you guys may follow me on Twitter and Mines at Sour Patch Lights.
tim pool
We will see you all over at Timcast.com for our members exclusive uncensored segment.
Thanks for hanging out.
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