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Jan. 27, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Neil Young DEMAND To Ban Joe Rogan BACKFIRES, Spotify Boots his Music w/Tom Fitton
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ian crossland
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seamus coughlin
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tim pool
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tom fitton
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lydia smith
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tim pool
So Neil Young threatens an ultimatum.
Tell Spotify either me or Joe Rogan.
And he stood firm.
Good for him.
And Spotify said, uh, uh, dude, Joe Rogan.
And he went, oh.
And then they remove, they're going to remove all of his music.
So congratulations, Neil.
You, uh, you have lost this one, but hey, I gotta be honest.
At least he's standing by his threats.
So, uh, there you go.
seamus coughlin
Thank goodness.
tim pool
Yeah.
Thank, thank, thank, thank goodness that he's, he's, he's standing up, uh, for what he believed in.
Uh, you know what?
I gotta be honest.
More power to him.
If he wants to, uh, if he wants to make a threat and he stood by it.
Alright.
There's actually really big news, in fact.
It's, uh, it's something wrong.
Something's wrong with the audio, isn't it?
Let's find out.
Maybe there's something wrong with the audio.
Either way, I'll just keep talking.
Um...
Supreme Court Justice Breyer is going to retire.
In my opinion, this sends a huge, a very powerful signal Democrats expect to lose in November.
I think all the polling shows this and Breyer is likely retiring now so that they can nominate someone and get them through before the Democrats lose the House and the Senate.
And that's the interesting thing, losing the Senate too, because we expect them to lose the House.
We've got a 29th Democrat retiring.
Very, very interesting stuff, so we'll get into that.
And we're being joined by Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch.
tom fitton
Hi.
tim pool
And you can talk a lot about a lot of the lawsuits you have, one of which is California requires you to have a woman on the board or something like that?
tom fitton
Yeah, if you're a public company, you have to have a corporate, there's a new rule that you have to have a certain number of women on the board.
And what that means, the mirror of that is that if you're a man, you can't apply for certain board positions or be considered for certain board positions of public companies in California.
It's outrageously illegal.
It's kind of critical theory, feminist style.
So we sued on behalf of taxpayers in California.
California has a liberal Taxpayer standing law that allows taxpayers to challenge illegal activity by government officials.
tim pool
Oh, interesting.
tom fitton
So, you know, we've been in a now six-week trial as the government has come in and tried to make the case that not only are they remedying discrimination without having any evidence of discrimination, but also that making sure that there's sex discrimination in corporate boards actually helps companies.
So it's a big deal.
It's critical theory, the feminist version of it, on trial.
And the left is very concerned about it because they have a new law that followed up on that where they expanded the required quotas to your other protected classes, minorities, sexual orientation and things like that.
So there's a whole quota system they've put in place to make sure that boards are following what they want to follow in terms of upending So you guys do a lot of lawsuits.
of anti-discrimination law.
tim pool
So you guys do a lot of lawsuits.
tom fitton
Yeah.
tim pool
Do you wanna just give a brief introduction as to who you are and what you do?
tom fitton
Well, Judicial Watch is, I run Judicial Watch, I'm president of Judicial Watch,
and we are a non-profit educational foundation, and we sue the government,
mostly to get access to information, but we represent people whose rights have been violated.
We help whistleblowers and in the case like in California where we sue government officials or government agencies when they're breaking the law.
And when it comes to uncovering government corruption here in D.C., we're second to none.
We've done more than Congress and the media and such.
So it's really incredible work.
And I say that not because I'm president of Judicial Watch.
I just see everything we're doing.
It's just incredible.
tim pool
Right on, man.
Well, we've got a lot to talk about, so thanks for joining us.
We've got Seamus tonight.
No Luke.
seamus coughlin
Yep, no.
ShimCast is on tonight.
So Luke went on down to Florida.
We miss him.
We love him.
But I'm going to be filling in for him for a little while until he's back.
And it's great to be here.
And it's also great to get a chance to meet you.
And I think the work you're doing is fantastic.
tom fitton
Thank you.
ian crossland
I love your background, Seamus.
tim pool
We've got an audio problem.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think Tim might be kind of quiet.
tim pool
No, my mic is completely off.
ian crossland
Okay, so we hear Kim's room tone.
Hopefully, you know, just keep the comments coming and let us know who sounds super chill.
tim pool
Oh, hey, there we go.
ian crossland
There we go.
lydia smith
Tim's back.
ian crossland
So we will be bouncing.
tom fitton
I thought I thought I thought I was doing something wrong.
Getting all the signals from everyone.
tim pool
There's like people in the background.
So no one can see this because we're really good at it.
But when like the cameras on Seamus, I'm waving my arm.
unidentified
It's true.
ian crossland
I'm like, all right, just keep listening.
tim pool
Is my microphone on now?
ian crossland
Yeah, you sound good.
tom fitton
Now I can hear you.
tim pool
I was like, what's happening?
I couldn't hear anything.
And I'm like, are my headphones off?
Like, what's going on?
You know, we have this soundboard we got to upgrade, to be completely honest.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Yeah, because people notice this.
We started the show one time, and it was like static.
And it was really weird, because it makes no sense why that would happen.
These things happen.
Welcome to the future.
Anyway, I don't know.
Ian, did you introduce yourself already?
ian crossland
No, not yet.
I'm Ian Crossland.
You can follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to follow my social media networks, and I'm happy to be here.
Thank you.
Hello, Tom.
tom fitton
Hi, James.
lydia smith
And I am also here in the corner trying to fix these sound problems.
I don't know what's going on over here.
I turned Tim's mic all the way off to get it to try to work a little bit righter, so hopefully you guys will let me know if anything more is going on, and I will keep an eye on it.
tim pool
Yeah, I think your mic is off as well.
tom fitton
Yeah, I'm not hearing you.
tim pool
Yeah, did someone come in and turn all the mics off?
lydia smith
No, nothing.
Is that better?
ian crossland
Sneaky leprechauns.
seamus coughlin
Wait, why is it the leprechauns?
lydia smith
It had nothing to do with the Irish people.
seamus coughlin
It's a little messed up.
tim pool
It had nothing to do with you, shit.
Ian immediately comes in with the anti-Irish racism.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I know.
ian crossland
I'm Irish!
seamus coughlin
This is just like the Chicago Fire.
Blame the Irish.
Oh, we got a Saudirian cow.
Fantastic.
Kicked over a lantern.
ian crossland
German and Irish.
tim pool
Wait, I thought they blamed the cow.
seamus coughlin
They blame Miss O'Leary's cow.
They had to pick an Irish woman.
Like, the whole city burns down, and they're like, you know, it was probably an Irish lady's cow.
lydia smith
Yeah, no doubt.
seamus coughlin
It's like, come on.
We know what they were doing.
unidentified
We just escaped.
Sure.
tim pool
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You know, we talked about Joe Rogan too much.
We certainly do.
And I've acknowledged that before.
And I guess the issue is, you know, we are sitting down and we're looking at all the news today.
We got the story, Spotify to take down Neil Young's music after his Joe Rogan ultimatum.
And I'm sitting here and, you know, and I look over at our good friend, Tom, and I'm like, what's more important, Stephen Breyer, a Supreme Court justice, retiring or Neil Young losing his battle with Spotify to get Joe Rogan banned?
And I don't know, because I feel like the Supreme Court is more important, but you made a really great point.
You said the Great Suppression is the biggest story, or something to that effect.
tom fitton
Yeah, that's what we're in the midst of, the Great Suppression.
We have massive censorship, or an effort for censorship, targeting opposition to whatever you want to call it.
The big state, deep state, the communists, whoever you want to call it.
And the communists are willing to use multi-millionaires like Neil Young to suppress other successful people.
tim pool
But he lost.
tom fitton
Yeah, he lost.
You know, but it's but Rogan isn't the only one being targeted.
It's his listeners being targeted.
So when you take away a leading voice that people look up to and communicate and use as a basis for further communications, that's suppression of all of Rogan's audience.
So whenever we're suppressed, all of our followers are suppressed and harmed as well.
It's the great suppression.
And it's not private.
It's government.
It's private.
And and it's corporate.
tim pool
So we have a quote here.
I guess this is from Spotify.
They say, Mr. Young's record label, Warner Music Group, Corpse Warner Records, formally requested Spotify remove his music Wednesday, which would take several hours to take effect across Spotify services across the world.
Quote, we want all the world's music and audio content to be available to Spotify users.
With that comes great responsibility in balancing both safety for listeners and freedom for creators, Spotify spokesman said Wednesday.
We regret Neil's decision to remove his music from Spotify but hope to welcome him back soon."
Now, the way the left is portraying this is, Neil Young stood on his principles and said,
I do not want to share a platform with that man, and so they took his music down.
I see it as a big loss, because what his intent, what he was trying to do was he was like,
I'm Neil Young! You better ban Joe Rogan or I'm out! And they were like, dude, Joe Rogan gets
hundreds of millions of downloads per month and you get six.
You don't have any new music that's like breaking the charts.
You're not Nicki Minaj.
seamus coughlin
Well, that's the thing It's that really embarrassing outdated rock star ego like this isn't a convention center where you can request you only have green M&Ms in the bowl or you throw a fit like Joe Rogan gets way more views and downloads than him and I don't know why Neil Young thought himself in a position to determine what we should be able to listen to but I think it's kind of hilarious that Spotify gave him the old okay boomer get off our platform.
tim pool
We don't care.
seamus coughlin
We don't need you.
tim pool
Is he a boomer though?
He's 76.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh, he's older than one.
Well, I apologize for mis-generationing Neil Young, but I'm telling you, I'm glad his music's off the platform, because I think it's great.
tim pool
Is that Boomer, or is that Silent?
ian crossland
It's like 1944.
unidentified
Is that Boomer?
seamus coughlin
Okay, so I was right, Tim.
ian crossland
Boomers is like 1944, right?
1944 is when they began, and it was Silent up until then.
tom fitton
I'm Generation X, and Boomer is ahead of that.
seamus coughlin
Well, point is, I think it's a fantastic victory.
The fact that this old school celebrity who thinks he's a lot cooler and more relevant than he is tried to throw his weight around and got taken down is, uh, kind of incredible.
tim pool
But he's the oldest you can be to be a boomer.
I just googled it.
It says 76.
68 to 76.
And then technically it says you could also be 58 to 67.
There's like two boomer generations, I guess.
seamus coughlin
Okay, so he's the world's oldest boomer.
tim pool
No, no, no, that's silent generation.
ian crossland
The world's oldest boomer just got booted off of Spotify.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, just got booted off Spotify.
I'm about it, Ian.
ian crossland
Good.
You know, I think of Neil Young.
He's always struck me as an angry dude.
When I was a kid, I used to look at his face and be like, why is he so mad?
tim pool
Silent Generation, I was right.
Seamus was wrong.
seamus coughlin
Well, you were the silent generation when the mic wasn't working earlier.
ian crossland
Big talk, Seamus.
tim pool
Big talk, Seamus.
Yeah, so, but this is, this is, I mean, this is a big story.
It's, it's what I got out of this.
And I mentioned this the other day is Neil Young, this protest guy.
I thought he was supposed to be protesting free speech, right?
ian crossland
Well, anti-war is his big thing.
I don't think he's a free speech guy.
tim pool
No, the anti-war movement was the free speech movement.
ian crossland
He was part of that, yeah.
tim pool
And now they're like, oh, speech is bad.
seamus coughlin
How many war hawks has Neil Young tried to protest being on the same platform as?
tom fitton
That's a good point.
He did the song, Attacking MTV, for taking commercials or, you know, being too corporate.
And he complained that MTV wouldn't play his song.
So the irony of him trying to suppress another, you know, artist or another person who has a right, a God-given right to share his views.
And, you know, this is a battle.
You know, it's embarrassing, I think, for the left here.
They're never embarrassed.
They don't stop because normal people would be embarrassed.
They don't follow those rules.
They had the scientists who weren't scientists try to pressure to take him off.
They were hoping to get a ball rolling with Neil Young and something else.
They'll keep on pushing Rogan.
Rogan is a threat and they are not going to stop.
tim pool
I don't think zombies get embarrassed that they're eating brains, you know what I mean?
seamus coughlin
Well, isn't it hilarious that they put together this list of like 300 doctors who weren't really doctors?
unidentified
Dentists.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, dentists.
And they thought like that didn't work.
So they're like, we're busting out the big guns.
We're gonna get Neil Young to try to take him down.
ian crossland
You're saying they?
You think that people were encouraging Neil to do this?
Activists, yeah.
tom fitton
Yeah, the organized left has, they've been doing this for years in terms of targeting voices they disagree with, and usually it's trying to controversialize them to get commercials off or advertises off.
You know, Rush Limbaugh faced this years ago.
So it's, You know, unfortunately, there's nothing new under the sun, but it's gotten worse.
Things have metastasized in terms of the attack on speech.
And my view is we're in a revolutionary moment.
It's dangerous.
tim pool
I agree.
I agree.
But I will say, following this story, I hope Neil Young will remember that freedom-loving people don't need him around anyhow.
seamus coughlin
Love it.
unidentified
Beautiful.
seamus coughlin
I've got to tell you, I've lived in Georgia for the past couple of years, and it's true.
A Southern man don't need him around anyhow.
tim pool
I mean, he apologized for that, apparently.
You know, when he got criticized for writing... Neil Young wrote these two songs criticizing himself, and then he actually commented on it later, being like, yeah, I shouldn't have written those songs, they were too broad, whatever.
It's cancel culture.
I want to say, real quick, the funniest thing about this story is how the one person who's not talked about it is Joe Rogan himself.
Like, he doesn't care, it doesn't involve him, he's minding his own business, and everyone else is like, you know, we're sitting here waving our arms in the air, hooting and hollering like, oh!
And it's like, I imagine it's just, Joe's like, I have a feeling I'd call him and be like, hey, this Neil Young thing, and he'll be like, what happened?
I'll be like, Neil Young, man, you trying to get too banned?
And he'd be like, I don't know what you're talking about, Tim.
And I'd be like, oh.
Well, he doesn't care.
It's not relevant.
tom fitton
The public policy implication, the problem there is you've got the media celebrating it, though.
You know, Neil Young, it's ridiculous, as we're talking about.
But the media kind of salivating and celebrating the targeting of Young, and you see, you know, the CNN types and people like that, they love that this is happening.
And so that's the dangerous side of it.
You've got this whole media political complex, along with big tech, that is excited about taking out voices they don't like.
tim pool
Well, the ratings are in the gutter.
Their revenues are in the gutter.
I think we saw that turning point for CNN when they lost their airport contracts.
And all of a sudden, I mean, that was, what, 95% of their viewership?
And I'm only half-kidding, to be honest.
I don't think it was that much.
But CNN's viewership was largely airports and hotel lobbies.
And then they lost the airport deal.
That could be a big reason why their ratings tanked.
But I don't know if they actually count the airport stuff in the ratings, to be honest.
People are probably gonna be like, no, they don't do that.
But they lost tremendous reach.
They know they're losing it to Joe Rogan, among other people.
tom fitton
And the dishonest side of it is, they're competitors.
It's not even just politics, it's a business.
The business is, they're losing viewers to people like Rogan, and you, and frankly anyone else who has a voice online.
Normally isn't heard in CNN.
seamus coughlin
Well, and that's what's so hilarious about the entire situation.
You're absolutely right.
People are looking at this as a matter of politics and on some level it is, but what is very interesting is the fact that he is direct competition for them in the business that they're operating in.
And so when they write these articles about him, it's literally people who work for the companies that he's competing with talking about how horrible he is.
Well, of course they're going to say that.
And what the media always does, and what the left always does, is as soon as they start losing, they immediately portray themselves as martyrs and victims.
But the narrative falls apart with Rogan because he's one guy who people really want to listen to.
And they make it seem like he's this reckless and irresponsible man who's bullying them.
tim pool
Hey, but isn't it crazy how they've really ramped up the attacks on Joe Rogan?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
I was just reading a story, like some attorney general was saying Joe Rogan should be censored.
Who was that?
seamus coughlin
He's like their Trump now.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think it's the Surgeon General.
lydia smith
was like Joe Biden's attorney general. He thinks it was Biden's.
Yeah. Wow.
tom fitton
The surgeon general came out and said something about
disinformation online.
I don't know if he said that.
lydia smith
Yeah. Not the attorney general.
tim pool
Surgeon general.
unidentified
Yeah. Yeah.
tim pool
Isn't that like a man there?
There they've lost control.
And, you know, it makes me feel real good.
It's great.
seamus coughlin
It's beautiful to see.
tim pool
Joe, we're gonna have Jordan Peterson on, and oh boy, are they all triggered.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Those cult-y leftists are like, oh no, and they're lying.
It's so hilarious how, like, dude, when you take a clip from Joe's show and then post it along with a quote that Joe did not say, You're a moron.
seamus coughlin
Anyone can watch it.
tim pool
Right.
And so when the people are sharing it, I see this clip where it's like,
Joe Rogan said, unless someone is 100% black, you can't call them black.
And I was like, I'm going to watch this clip.
And Joe said, nothing of the sort.
Nothing of the sort.
seamus coughlin
They're just making things up.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, some of those things were like, tangentially related to what he was talking about.
He said it was basically strange that there's like people from all over the world of different
skin tones and different backgrounds, and just calling all of them black just seems kind of
weird because they're different people from different, you know.
And I was like, yeah, you know, like, sure, I get what Joe's trying to say.
But then to take that claim, That Joe's saying, unless someone's 100% black, you can't call them black.
I was like, why would they just lie about that?
So when someone then retweets that, I'm just like, these are not serious people.
No.
It's good, though, because you know they're just lying.
I don't think a single person believes when they retweet something like that, and they're like, ah, look at what Joe said.
I'm like, I know you don't believe that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because, like, you can listen to the guy.
seamus coughlin
And what Joe Rogan is saying actually opens up a very interesting discussion, which is the fact that in the United States of America, black people have a racial identity but not an ethnic identity because of the tragic history there, and the fact that they don't know which part of Africa they're from as individual people, whereas with the white population, a person generally knows if they're Irish, German, English, Dutch, whatever ancestry they have.
And there's something tragic there, and it shapes the way that a culture operates, but of course the media has to turn that into Joe Rogan is racist and says you can't call someone black unless they're 100% black.
It's ridiculous.
tom fitton
Well, you know, from the outside, it looks crazy.
The self, you know, the identity issues.
And it sounds to me like Rogan was highlighting that.
It's like, well, how do you calculate who's one color versus the other?
Especially since we now envision people being able to self-identify any way they want.
tim pool
Yeah.
tom fitton
And, you know, the left enjoys that.
They like that.
But the downside of that is it's going to blow up the anti-discrimination infrastructure we have here
in the United States.
So if you have laws that protect women from being discriminated against,
or you have laws that protect people from being discriminated on the basis of race,
if they self-identify in ways that are kind of raise issues in that regard,
well, how are the laws applied?
And so there's this kind of war on reality in some respects, but also war on the law in terms of discrimination.
They don't believe in these anti-discrimination laws because the way they talk and think about them would actually negate them and make them inapplicable.
tim pool
I think for me, one thing that instantly broke me out of the left lies, I just immediately saw it, was how someone can identify as whatever they want, As long as you agree with their political ideology.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Like someone super chatted us this the other day.
They said, Black people can't be racist, but Candace Owens is racist.
seamus coughlin
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
Okay, hold on there a minute.
Because according to their, that makes no sense.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But they say it.
tom fitton
Well, for a Marxist, it makes perfect sense.
I mean, that's communism 101.
She has false consciousness and she's not black.
Well, I mean, that's that's communism.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's interesting because the question I've always wanted to ask, they always pose this as a question of black versus white.
And it's like, OK, well, like what if a black person hates an Asian person or what if an Asian person hates a black person or a Hispanic person hates a black person?
Like if you're not white, you can't be racist.
So is that not racist?
ian crossland
What if an Asian person is black?
unidentified
I'm about to bend some minds, yo.
tim pool
What if everyone in this room hates an Irishman?
seamus coughlin
Well, you guys all do, based on the way I'm treated.
Now, to be fair, and I've said this on the show before, I know people who are actually born and raised in Ireland get upset when you say you're Irish and you've only lived in America, but here's the thing, I'm not bragging, it's an admission.
unidentified
Okay, yes, this is where my ancestors are from.
seamus coughlin
I'm kidding, I'm proud of it.
tim pool
But I'm pretty sure everyone in this room is Irish.
seamus coughlin
No, everyone's got some Irish in them.
unidentified
Are you part Irish?
Yes.
seamus coughlin
That's because the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world, baby.
tim pool
That's the truth.
ian crossland
Ireland.
tim pool
But, you know, the other thing, too, is I find it hilarious when I see people talking about me on, you know, like, Reddit or something, and they say, like, people I don't know why people will be like, Tim Pool doesn't identify as white or whatever, and I'm just like, I have no idea what that means.
unidentified
No.
seamus coughlin
Dude, I don't identify as white.
What does that mean?
tim pool
I don't know what that means.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's supposed to be your skin color, but it's not.
No one's white.
unidentified
No one has white skin.
ian crossland
It's crazy.
tim pool
But look, the left, social justice, Marxist cult or whatever, doesn't view race as skin color.
They view race as political.
Then they later, depending on, like, man, this is what they do.
In order to win an argument, they have two different paths they can take with the same language.
So they can say, no, I'm not talking about politics, I'm talking about how someone can look at this man and discriminate against him.
And then later they'll be like, I'm not talking about skin color, I'm talking about the politics of blackness, the political blackness.
It's like, okay, dude, you're talking about whatever gets you power.
seamus coughlin
I get it.
Well, and this is the thing.
I mean, when they talk about being white or identifying as white, they fail to take into account how an individual person actually identifies themselves.
And so I understand their argument that because I'm white, I don't really think about my skin color, etc.
But if you look culturally at my upbringing, being from an Irish Catholic home in the Chicago area, And you compare that to the upbringing of a white Dutch person or a white English person who was raised in a Protestant home or without religion, you would actually find, and I have found this just based on the churches I've been to throughout my life, is that I have far more in common with a person on the basis of what religion they were raised in as opposed to their skin color.
And so when you're talking to a black person or a Mexican person who was raised in a Catholic household, you can just relate on a level that I don't relate to on somebody just because Just because they're white.
It's ridiculous.
That's not how I identify.
ian crossland
I have more in common with people that play Blue in Magic the Gathering than their skin color.
tim pool
I don't care about that.
Matt Walsh made this point when he was on Dr. Phil.
He said, we can dig up a skeleton hundreds of years later and we can't know what they were thinking, but we can know it's male or female or whatever.
And I think that actually says a lot more than just that conversation.
It's like you are so much more as to who you are on the inside, your values, the things you believe, than what you look like.
You know what I mean?
seamus coughlin
And it's such a funny thing.
I joke about this, but in the United States, Irish people were not considered white until being white meant you had to apologize for being white.
Well, there you go.
tim pool
Congratulations, James.
seamus coughlin
No, I know.
But no, it's just interesting because whiteness is a label that was actually used to bludgeon my ancestors.
So when you look at who was excluded from the United States, And what's frustrating to me is that we're having this conversation and it's one thing to have the conversation.
tom fitton
It's another thing to be in positions where you're in a school and you're a teacher or you're in government.
And you're being told you are a bad person because of the color of your skin.
So the CRT, or whatever you want to call it, the woke approach, it's not just about it's offensive morally and intellectually.
As applied, it's illegal.
You're not supposed to discriminate on the basis of race and select people on the basis of race.
I mean, we just had settled a lawsuit in Asheville, North Carolina.
They had a scholarship program.
Only black kids could apply.
Completely outrageous.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's insane.
tom fitton
So we filed a civil rights claim against them and they settled and they changed the rules so that it's, you know, it's race neutral.
Well, so let me let me ask you, but it's it but they're trying to undo constitutional protections of equal protection of the law.
And the civil rights laws of the 60s.
They're trying to do it.
We're trying to defend it.
And I don't mean us, Judicial Watch, we are literally, but I mean us who are conservatives and follow the rule of law, we actually believe in non-discrimination.
They don't!
tim pool
Isn't that crazy how they flip the script on you guys?
tom fitton
We're the civil rights advocates.
tim pool
The craziest thing to me was this past election when we had California trying to repeal the civil rights language from their constitution.
Did you see that one?
They called it the Affirmative Action Amendment.
It was such a sleazy title for a bill.
It literally would just strip out from the California Constitution, the language says, you cannot discriminate on the basis of race, sexuality, or origin, or whatever, in public employment, contracting, and schooling, or something like that.
And they were like, we need to get rid of this so that we can be fair and treat minorities fair.
And I'm like, when?
We fought for civil rights in this country to make sure the law would not take these factors into account.
And now the left is trying to repeal that language in California.
They lost, by the way.
But I remember, you know, I've told you guys this story before, but those who haven't heard it, I was talking to a friend of mine, an activist, a prominent, you know, well-known celebrity in Hollywood, and we're having a conversation because we've been drifting apart politically, and I said, what's the, you know, the racial makeup of California?
And it's like 70, was it 70% white or something like that?
And I said, so do you think that when California repeals their non-discrimination language from the Constitution, that the 70% white majority is going to protect the minorities now?
Or do you think they'll just either consciously or unconsciously start benefiting themselves and their race?
And there's no real answer I get from these people.
Because they don't want to admit they're wrong in repealing this language because it's part of their tribe.
But I was like, look, some of these cities in California are like 99% white.
And if your perspective is that white people are racist, why would you empower these people to discriminate on the basis of race?
And they have no answer.
They have none.
Now, I got to be honest.
I don't really think white people in California are going to be like, ah, now's our chance to be racist.
But if that's their ideology, why would they want to repeal that language?
unless they actually want to be racist and they actually want to do these things.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly. Well, because these white people aren't going to be like,
I can oppress other people who are non-white, but they could go,
I'm going to make myself feel better about this white guilt complex by
discriminating against white people.
tim pool
I don't, I got to be honest. I really think that what we're dealing with in the culture war
stems largely from those in the know and those who aren't.
That's really it. I mean, if you go to, I went to the March for Our Lives, I think it
unidentified
was.
tim pool
That was the gun thing.
And I saw all these people holding up signs saying, ban assault weapons or whatever.
And I'd ask them, like, you know, what does that mean?
And they couldn't tell me.
And there were several people that said, you know, assault rifles should be illegal or should be, you know, like ban assault rifles.
And so I'd stop and I'd talk to people and I'd be like, hi, I wanted to ask you about your son.
And I said, so you want to ban assault rifles?
And they'd be like, yeah.
And I'd be like, well, they're almost entirely banned.
You can't make any new ones, I think, since 1984.
And in order to get one now, it requires, you know, a special licensing to take up to a year.
seamus coughlin
The tax stamp.
tim pool
Yeah, the tax stamp.
They're typically very expensive.
They can be thousands of dollars.
And they would go, Oh, I didn't know that.
I'm like, what are you protesting?
I wasn't mean.
I had one woman.
She was holding up a sign and I asked her these questions and then she folded up.
She's like, oh, I didn't know.
I'm like, then what are you protesting?
So I genuinely believe a lot of these people just don't know.
So this activist friend of mine posted something recently from the March for Life.
You know, Seamus, you were down there.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
And it was some like lefty guy walking up to protesters and saying, how many children have you adopted?
And it was like this bumbling middle-aged woman.
She goes, none.
And he goes, oh, okay.
I've adopted two.
And she goes, great.
And then he goes, how many have you adopted?
And she's like, I've not adopted any kids.
And he's like, I've adopted two.
It's like, okay.
And I'm watching this and I'm like, what message is my friend trying to convey with this?
That these two women haven't adopted any children?
Most people don't adopt children.
Is this an indictment of the pro-life movement?
They just don't know.
If they went down there and they spoke to any of the organizers, they'd be like, oh.
Like a lot of the organizers, a lot of people involved, do run charities for helping children and promoting adoption, and they do adopt a whole lot, but they just don't know anything about this.
Why?
Well, I think apathy.
A lot of people just don't care.
They want to pretend to care.
Makes them look good on social media, right?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
General ignorance.
It's not their jobs to be journalists, you know?
I don't blame every single person for just not knowing.
Some people, look, you work your 9 to 5, you go home, you want to be with your kids, you want to play maybe throw a football a little bit.
You don't got time to sit down and read all this stuff.
Yeah.
But I will blame the mainstream press to a great degree.
Let me pull up this story we got from Fox News.
CNN's Jim Acosta compares Virginia to Soviet-style police state under Glenn Youngkin.
Critics took to social media to blast Acosta's comparison, calling it a bridge too far and evil.
Well, as you all may not be aware, Jim Acosta is doing some show on CNN called Democracy in Peril.
I think it's funny that Glenn Youngkin only just got into office.
There's no Soviet-style police state of anything.
Barely anything's happening.
Meanwhile, in D.C., you need to show your papers to get into a restaurant.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tom fitton
But not to vote.
tim pool
But not to vote.
seamus coughlin
So the question, what exactly does it cost to think the parallel is here?
tim pool
He's lying.
tom fitton
Yeah.
And I don't know if he's in New York or Atlanta or D.C., but in our nation's capital,
if you want to visit the capital and protest, it's more difficult to do so,
especially if you're not vaccinated.
If you want to communicate with your elected representatives, it's nearly impossible to do so.
We have that rump committee threatening and talking about throwing out hundreds of members of Congress because they opposed uh... the uh... uh... they were involved in the election
disputes you have the justice department talking about
investigating thousands of people because they were opposed to the election disputes
that's the soviet style approach to governance. You see joe walsh on
unidentified
twitter I know he is, I didn't see him
tim pool
He said anybody who tries to put forth a fake group of electors should be investigated or blah blah blah.
tom fitton
Which Democrats did in 1960 via Hawaii.
tim pool
That's right.
So they made up a fake story.
Rachel Maddow talks about it.
She's like, I've discovered forgery documents.
Shut up, they're not forgeries.
What happened was, when the election was being contested, whatever your opinion is, is not the point, Republicans said, we are going to fill out the forms, the same as the Democrats were, and we're going to submit them.
And sure enough, when the official electors came in and were certified for the Democrats, they went and Pence chose them.
It was 1960, I believe, right?
Nixon versus Kennedy.
Hawaii certified Republican electors, but the Democrats decided to go and fill out their own forms anyway.
Lo and behold, the courts ruled in their favor.
So when the uncertified Democrat electors went to the joint session of Congress, Nixon said, we know what happened, the courts have ruled, so I'm going to pick these anyway.
Imagine that.
It's historical precedent.
But now you've got these people lying about it.
And this is why I say the culture war is between people who know and people who don't know.
Because if you've read... I read about that stuff in 1960, years ago, with Nixon.
I was reading it years ago and, you know, with the midterm elections or whatever.
And so when all this stuff comes up, I'm like, oh yeah, they just did what happened in 1960.
But, you know, the media lies about it.
tom fitton
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, in my view, there's a special place in hell for politicians who want to put their political opponents in jail.
I mean, to me, that is a particularly grave evil.
seamus coughlin
Should be a special place in jail for them, too.
tim pool
Donald Trump said Hillary Clinton should be in jail.
tom fitton
Well, he said she should be prosecuted, and he didn't want to put her in jail because he didn't like her politics.
He thought she committed crimes.
Here you have the leftist saying, oh, participating under the First Amendment in a rally is an evidence of a crime.
Participating under the constitutional system to challenge electors and federal law to challenge electors that we've done since time immemorial.
That all of a sudden is a crime.
Right.
It's more pernicious than that.
It's one thing to say, I think this person committed a crime.
She stole all her emails.
I mean, we were involved in that.
It's another thing to say, I don't like your politics and you should be censored and you're a criminal and a terrorist.
That's what they're saying in a casual way.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Also, I want to mention this.
I mean, the Clinton campaign wanted to have U.S.
intelligence officials brief the Electoral College on Russian interference in order to sway them.
So, I mean, they have absolutely no respect for the system or ensuring that the electorate or those in the Electoral College select those who were voted for.
unidentified
We went through five years Yeah.
tim pool
Technically now it's seven years, but I was, you know, before in 2020 had been five years of lies about Russia and Ukraine and all of that manipulation.
You want to talk?
Hey, Jim, Jim.
You want to talk about Soviet-style police state?
Let's talk about how some dude who works for the CIA accuses the president of some nonsense, and the people of this country can't even say his name.
Please don't say his name.
Because we can't.
Because you want to know who's enforcing the Soviet-style police state?
It is the democratic establishment.
It is the media.
It's social media.
If we say the name of this guy, YouTube will take the stream down.
seamus coughlin
Well, and that's exactly the thing.
So I think the best way to summarize a Soviet-style system and the parallels in America are as follows.
In 2016, it was alleged that the election was fraudulent.
And in that instance, we investigated those who were elected.
In 2020, it was also alleged that the election was fraudulent.
This time, we investigated the people making the accusation.
tim pool
Yeah.
tom fitton
Well, the left hasn't done this since 68, they thought Nixon stole the election.
They had secret negotiations with Vietnam.
72, he overwhelmingly won, so the left used Watergate to re-litigate.
He cheated his way in.
1980, Reagan had secret talks with Iran.
His election was invalid.
tim pool
I saw this.
I think Snopes tried doing a fact check on it, but it said something like, every election since 1968, the Democrats have claimed has been stolen.
Is that?
tom fitton
Well, it's 2000.
I was down counting ballots in 2000.
tim pool
Wow.
tom fitton
Warren was running around trying to change the results.
and then now we're in 2016 with Trump. They tried to change the results.
tim pool
I'm just, I'm just tired of it.
I gotta be honest, I'm tired of it with the Trump supporters, to be honest.
I'm tired of it.
I've been tired of it from before this.
It's just, look, I just want to get to the point where we move forward.
But I think we need to understand at this point, 2016, 2020, 2068, whatever year, I don't care.
Nobody's playing by the rules anymore. And I mean that figuratively and somewhat literally.
What I mean is it's like, you know, Walsh on Twitter being like, we should lock up the people who forged these documents, but they didn't.
That's a lie.
When they subpoena Alex Jones, these subpoenas from the January 6th committee, we had, I think Bannon may have told us this, expensive.
You can't just get subpoenaed and be like, okay, tell me where to go.
tom fitton
It's $15,000 to look at it.
tim pool
Just to look at it.
Yep.
And so what they're doing is they're draining resources.
They're using the power of the federal government to suppress to shut down dissidents.
The weight of the government is going after political rivals in a way Donald Trump never did.
The man talked big and said to Hillary, oh, you'd be in jail, and then did nothing.
tom fitton
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
He did nothing.
tom fitton
Did you see the Politico story the other day that confirmed or showed that the Capitol Hill Police Department, which answers now to Pelosi and Schumer, Pelosi is the queen of the hill when it comes to security, is gathering intelligence on members under the guise of security, investigating where they're going, who they're meeting with.
Donors and staff.
So you've got this unholy melding of a police force with a political party.
ian crossland
I bet that they're thinking if we don't observe and spy on everyone, the Chinese CCP is going to do it.
So we have to take we have to be the ultimate spy network.
I think that's the mentality.
tom fitton
Well, many of them are on the payroll.
ian crossland
Oh, so it's bigger than the governments and it's more of a multinational coercive.
Yeah, I would get down with that.
tim pool
I do think we're winning.
You know, like the raid on James O'Keefe.
It just shows you how completely desperate the establishment is to maintain their power.
tom fitton
No, that was a wild abuse of power.
And we just got documents last week.
I don't know if you saw.
tim pool
That's right.
The Pfizer stuff.
tom fitton
I mean, was James talking about, was he on with you recently talking about it?
tim pool
He was on, but I don't think we talked about it.
I think it was like right afterwards.
tom fitton
This was fun because sometimes when they tell you no, you learn something.
So we asked the FBI, give us records about communications with Pfizer about Project Veritas.
And they said, we can't give you those because they're in an investigative file.
tim pool
Confirming their existence.
tom fitton
Normally they don't confirm it, so it was kind of an odd response.
So they've confirmed that Pfizer is working with the FBI somehow to target Project Veritas, who had, for those who don't know, had done some exposés on fetal stem cells, fetal cells being involved, or fetal organs being involved in the creation and helping guarantee the safety of vaccines.
Things that they didn't want out there.
Which are true, but they don't like it out there because people get upset about it.
tim pool
But that's just the Veritas thing is a really good example of the desperation to be to be that overt with their strategies to go against American journalists.
It just shows to use the metaphor we've used nonstop for the past two weeks.
The emperor has no clothes, but they had they had power for a long time and it's it's it's being ripped from them.
I think the Internet is what's causing it.
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's just at this point, imagine trusting a journalist who the entire system isn't trying to crush.
tim pool
Yeah, when any news channel that puts on Adam Schiff, I'm just immediately like, okay, it's fake news.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Nancy Pelosi too.
seamus coughlin
Lapdogs.
tim pool
I mean, I think it's fair to bring those people on if you're adversarial.
seamus coughlin
If you want to make fun of them, you know.
ian crossland
I don't know.
I'm all big part of like ban the account, not the person.
I don't think that just because someone has a track record of lying that they're necessarily lying.
So I don't want to discount these people flat out.
I understand that there's maybe it's more of a variant scale and maybe someone that lies a lot is like maybe a 7% weight to their statement, but that's still 7%.
seamus coughlin
I don't know, man.
So you're right that it is technically possible for somebody to lie about something and then tell the truth later on, but a person loses their credibility.
And honestly, there are so many people trying to compete for our bandwidth that I have no interest in giving my attention to someone who I know has lied before.
tom fitton
You know, with politics, I don't really care whether someone lies too much in politics.
I mean, it's a problem, you know, morally.
It's objectionable as a voter.
It's the corruption that bothers me.
Adam Schiff abused his power to take the phone records of Rudy Giuliani and publish them.
And then we go to court trying to get the records, and part of their argument was, we can do that, we don't need a court authorization to do it.
So right now we know that they're taking the phone records of people, and who knows, internet records of potentially, I don't know, millions of people, the way they're wording these requests.
And there's no control or policing of it.
Yeah.
Yeah. You know that's an abuse of power.
That's corrupt.
It's not even they're even using subpoenas anymore.
They're just requesting the information.
So if you're if you were a supporter of Trump online and made comments on election and you had your account deleted
or censored.
That's the sort of stuff the Congress is asking for information on.
I mean, do you want that in the hands of Congress or Adam Schiff?
These are, like I keep on saying, these are—our republic is under assault.
And this isn't political differences.
This is a question of whether or not we're going to follow the law and we're going to follow the infrastructure the Constitution has laid out for us and how we govern ourselves.
Or whether the bad guys are just going to break all the rules to go after their enemies.
ian crossland
They changed the law.
The Patriot Act's insane.
But they made that legal so that now they can legally just take all the records legally, even though it's still corrupt.
tom fitton
Well, yeah, I mean, the FBI hasn't backed off from their targeting of parents as terrorists.
I mean, there was controversy about it, but they're still doing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's talk about this story we got here from TimCast.com.
Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire.
The justice and the Biden administration have not yet released a formal statement.
Jen Psaki did say, you know, it's the prerogative of the justice to retire when they feel like it.
But, I mean, that's the story.
Stephen Breyer is going to stay until the end of the term, which just is... When is that ending?
Is that ending in October?
tom fitton
I mean, they usually end the term in June, sometimes July, but normally all the decisions are done by the end of June.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
June.
June.
tom fitton
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
So, um, seems to me that Breyer, who is considered a liberal justice, they're doing this because they think they're going to be losing the midterms.
tom fitton
Yeah, they forced Breyer out.
The left had this really unprecedented campaign to pressure Breyer to retire.
I guess there's another campaign to pressure Biden to retire, too.
unidentified
That's coming from all sides, to be honest.
tom fitton
And Breyer had some interviews late last year.
He was out, I think, selling a book, or he was being interviewed.
And it was pretty clear he had no interest in retiring.
And something changed, and they pressured him, and he left.
They bullied him off the court.
And you can bet the left that bullied a sitting Supreme Court justice off the court is going to demand that Biden appoint an extremist to replace him, not a normal liberal, someone who's extreme.
And so that's going to be the battle.
And, you know, technically, the Senate can get someone passed for Biden or confirmed by Biden if they get 50 plus one vote.
And we'll see what happens.
tim pool
And Kamala would be the tiebreaker, I'd imagine.
tom fitton
Unless she's the nominee.
ian crossland
But then Lindsey Graham would vote for her.
tom fitton
Lindsey Graham has voted for most of the judges put forward by Biden, at least in committee.
ian crossland
Like you were saying, how cancel culture can whip up a frenzy so quick now.
It's like things can happen so fast that having someone in power for 50 years as a Supreme Court justice is too dangerous.
It doesn't make any sense anymore.
I think we need term limits.
Otherwise, we're going to get a 38-year-old or 42-year-old that's going to think they're going to be in power for 50 years and then I don't know.
tim pool
You know, I thought about this.
It's an interesting question that, you know, should we have a time limit for justices or should it be a lifetime appointment?
There's pros and cons.
I do like the idea that, you know, when someone gets appointed, it kind of puts a pin in the cultural perspective and says like, you know, this person, he's 45, he's going to be a justice and he's going to be there for 40 years.
It kind of helps.
I think it's a stabilizing force.
The detriment, however, is you get someone like, you know, we had that Supreme Court justice who was on his, you know, he was partially comatose or whatever, and he was just like shaking in his bed, and they were like, what do we do?
He's a lifetime appointment, so.
tom fitton
Right.
tim pool
But I don't know, what do you think?
You think we should boot him out at a certain age or something, or?
tom fitton
You know, I'm sympathetic to that.
I think the chief concern is the quality of the judge and his judicial philosophy.
So having a judicial supremacist on the court who wants to steal our liberty and steal our self-governance and govern from the bench, if he's on the court for a year, that doesn't do us any good.
If he's on the court for 10 years, it doesn't do any good.
But to have someone who defers to the Constitution and applies it as written and originally understood, you know, having them on the court for 30 years is fine.
The question is, what is the role of the court in our constitutional system?
And it is that it's outsized.
You know, we shouldn't be waiting with bated breath about how we're going to govern ourselves on these core issues every June.
What's the court going to rule?
You know, the court is one branch of our government.
And I'm against judicial supremacy.
And that should be the big fight.
And I would expect that finally, at least Republicans who share those views, you know, we can't be approving judges just because the president deserves his justice.
No, no, no.
The people deserve to have their rights protected and not violated.
by justices who think they know better than elected representatives.
tim pool
Amen.
There's several laws and there's several rulings you go back that just seem to be outright wrong
just on the face. I think, well, I'll throw this one to you, Seamus, Roe v. Wade.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
Because the big argument is that it should be a legislative issue, not a court issue.
The court shouldn't be legislating, right?
So break this down for me, though.
I'm just trying to highlight the issue without getting too political on it.
But the big argument that we heard from, you know, Kavanaugh, I think Clarence Thomas, when they were arguing the Mississippi abortion law, they were like, why is this a court issue and not a legislative issue?
tom fitton
Well, when you read, and I encourage people to read Supreme Court opinions because they're generally written for public consumption.
And if you're, you know, literate, you can understand them.
And the left is exposed when their arguments are laid out there.
And when you read Roe versus Wade, you see it's written like a piece of legislation.
It's a perfect example of legislating from the bench.
And it's not appropriate.
Abortion has been regulated by the states, you know, for most of modern history, you know, until, you know, certainly once law, Once they started talking about abortion, they were regulating and restricting it.
I know there's arguments about the history.
But it was a medical procedure, and it was regulated, and there was no federal jurisdiction over making sure that abortion was in the—protecting the abortion right.
It's not part of the Constitution.
And so you had the courts, certain courts in the Supreme Court, justices who agreed that women should have the right to abortion.
And then they mistook their policy preference for what the Constitution requires.
And I talked about, you know, I remember seeing Judge Bork, you know, lose his nomination.
And he wrote a book, he called it The Tempting of America, and the great temptation for judges is to get on the bench and impose your political views and call it jurisprudence.
tim pool
So one day after the show here, a while ago, now almost a year and a half ago, one of our friends back at the old studio, Nishra, who's Adam's wife, We're all hanging out in the kitchen and she's from Sweden.
So she says, I have a question.
Your constitution, it says the right to keep in bare arms shall not be infringed.
And I'm like, right.
And she's like, well, why are they banning guns?
And everyone starts laughing.
Just because it's like someone who doesn't live in this country could clearly see how broken the system is and that it makes no sense.
And we all laugh because we know.
We know that legislating from the bench And not the courts not properly ruling on our rights.
It happens all the time.
The system just seems...
It feels like we started with a good foundation, and now it's just like this wonky Jenga tower of random blocks stuck in places because people wanted to, you know, get something for themselves.
tom fitton
Well, on the other hand, things are going well.
That's why the left is so upset about the Supreme Court, and they want to expand it.
You had last week, you know, you had Nina Totenberg defame and smear Judge Gorsuch.
Jane Mayer of The New Yorker went after Justice Thomas and his wife afterward.
You're going after his wife to get at Justice Thomas.
You've had this pressure campaign on Breyer.
And I keep on talking about all our institutions being under assault.
They're trying to blow up the Supreme Court with this court packing scheme so that Breyer leaving is, you know, he's a liberal.
He'll probably be replaced with a liberal.
But the goal is to pack the court and negate the conservative voices on the court that now are rising and dominating.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, I think the populist view is that Roberts is not conservative and that Kavanaugh hasn't actually done a pretty decent job or anything like that.
But I don't think they're going to replace Breyer with a liberal.
I think they're going to replace him with a Marxist or something.
tom fitton
Well, we'll see what Senator Manchin has to say about it.
tim pool
Yeah, but I, you know, yes, Manchin and maybe Sinema because they've, they've stood, you know, they've, you know, resisted the Democratic Party's whims.
But you still have some Republicans who are going to be like, now, now, we got to be accommodating and fair.
tom fitton
But it's an election year.
So, so I think it will be, there's a greater chance that Republicans will be unified against a extremist nominee.
And it depends who the nominee is.
tim pool
Well, Biden says it's going to be a black woman.
tom fitton
Well, again, so now Joe Biden has announced that no male need apply, no white person need apply.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How is that legal?
Can you guys, I mean, would you guys sue him over that?
tom fitton
I don't think you can sue him over that.
I don't think so.
tim pool
But that's, I mean, it's so weird that we're at this point in this country.
tom fitton
I mean, I always want to sue over everything.
And the lawyers say, well, you can, but you won't succeed.
tim pool
The saying is you can sue a ham sandwich.
ian crossland
Another world leader that was obsessed with appointing a specific kind of creature to their role was Caligula.
Who appointed the Roman emperor, the inbred Roman emperor, who appointed his horse to be a chancellor.
tim pool
Wasn't it that he was insulting them?
ian crossland
Yeah, he was like making a mockery of the system.
tim pool
This is racial identitarianism coming from our president for our Supreme Court.
seamus coughlin
Well, it was the same thing with his VP nominee, and it's hilarious because he chose Kamala Harris essentially to pander to progressives because he pigeonholed himself.
He said, I have to pick a woman of color.
And basically every progressive I know hates Kamala Harris.
So it's beautiful.
And I can only hope that they will hate his Supreme Court nominee just as much.
But of course, I'm sure that I wouldn't like them either.
tim pool
The way the Democratic Party has been going in the past couple of years, I wouldn't be surprised if Biden chooses the most absurd, hated person, neoliberal establishment, and all the progressives start screaming and the Democratic senators are like, if I vote for this, I'm going to lose.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
I mean, whoever he picks, like it is going to be horrible.
It's going to be a horrible pick.
ian crossland
Whoever he picks, like we're waiting for daddy to make a move.
It's so gross.
How does this one dude get to pick?
It's called the president is going to make the decision.
tom fitton
The Constitution gives him the right to appoint the judge.
And the Senate has to provide consent and so and advice and consent as the term is.
So there is a there is a check in place and it's going to be a close run thing.
I mean typically you know if Mitch McConnell were in the majority there'd be no doubt
the nominee would get through.
My view is Chuck Schumer's been an awful leader for the Democrats.
He's been dragged around by AOC and the left, and he's lost control of the Senate.
And so I think the president's nominee that otherwise might be able to squeak through might be stopped because of the craziness in our politics right now.
tim pool
Let's talk about this story we got from the LA Times.
Trial to determine if requiring women on boards is legal.
So this is your trial.
This is a story from back in December.
But, you know, when you get a president who says the principal determinant for a Supreme
Court nominee is going to be race and gender, I'm like, that flies in the face of the civil
rights movement.
It flies in the face of what we are fighting for.
And it's what the critical race theorists want.
The cultural left or whatever.
They want your position to be determined based on identity.
So in California, what did they do?
They passed a law saying that you have to have a woman?
tom fitton
The legislature passed a law requiring that a certain number of seats be set aside for women.
And so that means that men can't apply for certain seats on corporate boards of directors in California.
It's outrageously illegal.
It's a violation of the California Constitution, which even has more broader protections We have four lawyers out there for six weeks fighting the government who are bringing in all these so-called experts who are pretending that it's right to require women to be on the boards and discriminate on the basis of sex.
And the argument they're using, the left's argument, is, well, it helps corporations to have more women on the boards.
You know, there's no real evidence of that.
tim pool
But even if it did, it's illegal.
tom fitton
It's still illegal.
It's still illegal.
And but the point is, they're fighting it.
And so those of us who, when the left says they're in favor of and hate discrimination, that's the big lie of our era.
The most interesting development and troubling development is the thorough assault on anti-discrimination law in our schools and our corporations and our military and you see it now in the government that you can target people based on race or sex and discriminate against them and you'll have all the king's horses and all the king's men.
I mean we're in court suing the state of California.
Where is the Justice Department?
Where is the Justice Department?
The Civil Rights Division is harassing states for requiring voter ID, but allowing discrimination based on sex, race, and every other category to go on in California with Nary a peep.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Was Trump doing anything about it?
tom fitton
Listen, before Trump, the Justice Department under Trump was a disaster, too.
I mean, Barr had no interest in doing any of this aggressive thing.
Now, I say that knowing that he did do some good things.
But the point is, the Justice Department institutionally is a locus of evil when it comes to public policy.
And they do not believe, and this was true in the Obama administration, there was an IG report, they didn't believe the laws against racial discrimination applied to whites in voting matters.
I mean, that was the finding.
Our people who work there told us that.
Our attorneys used to work at the Justice Department.
They were told that.
We don't believe these civil rights laws apply to all people.
tim pool
We had some guy on the show, I'm not going to say his name, but he was arguing very much in favor of critical race theory and stuff, and he's saying, like, you guys want to ban this stuff from schools and blah blah blah.
My response to this, simply, when Donald Trump wanted to ban the critical race theory trainings for contractors and stuff like that, and these leftists are like, I thought you supported free
speech. I'm like, oh, yeah, I do.
I do. I'm just also in favor of enforcing laws. And if it's an illegal discriminatory action based
on the civil rights law, we enforce it. Right. So you can't come to me and be like, we like the
1964 Civil Rights Act. We like these rulings. It's like, oh, well, Trump wants to enforce it.
How dare you?
We should be allowed to discriminate, but you shouldn't.
It's like that, uh, who's, who's that guy?
Was it Frank Herbert?
What was his name?
When I am weaker than you, I ask for freedom because it's according to your principles.
When, when, you know, when I'm stronger than you, I deny you your freedom because that's according to mine.
Was that Frank Herbert who said that?
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure.
tim pool
You looked it up.
seamus coughlin
A similar version is.
It was?
unidentified
Evil.
tim pool
Okay, cool.
seamus coughlin
Evil calls for tolerance until it's ascendant.
And then it calls for submission, basically.
tom fitton
Well, but the left is always, you know, the left uses these arguments as a tool.
And when the tool becomes not useful, they cast it aside.
So anti-discrimination they saw as a political tool.
Now they don't like it, they cast it aside.
The Supreme Court they liked when it was Roe versus Wade, but now that they're ruling against us, oh no, we got to cast it aside.
We used to like the Senate filibuster, but now we need to eliminate the Senate on top of the Yeah, that was Colbert, he said that, right?
The Senate, so when you, you know, like I say, revolutionary moment.
Filibuster isn't the target.
The target is eliminating any impediment to power.
tim pool
Yep.
seamus coughlin
Amen.
tim pool
Stephen Colbert goes on his show with Elizabeth Warren, I think this was a week ago, and he says, we should get rid of the Senate.
And everyone laughs.
He's like, I'm gonna say this, hear me out, hear me out.
Why don't we abolish the Senate?
The whole audience laughs.
And he goes, I'm 100% serious.
Yeah, if you're 100% serious and your audience is laughing at you when you say it, you're insane.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and Liz is 100% Cherokee.
He was like, actually, I'm like .0019% serious.
But no, it goes to show you how far these people have gone, because one thing that we used to say to make fun of them when they would talk about the Electoral College was that At that point, they may as well just try to abolish representative government in general.
And now they're actually doing this.
And I've also seen this with respect to the argument that's been made about gun control.
I've heard a lot of conservatives say, well, why not ban automobiles because of all the people who die in car accidents?
And now I'm actually hearing left-wing people argue that we need to shift to a national railway system.
tom fitton
Never presume the crazy stuff is something they oppose.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So it's like every single, it's like jokes that we will make to highlight the ridiculousness of their worldview tend to become positions that they actually support within a matter of years.
ian crossland
Authoritarianism will do that.
If their enemy makes a joke like, well, here they come, the authoritarians would be like, they gave us the green light.
seamus coughlin
Let's go.
tom fitton
Well, Trump was criticized for saying that, oh look, they're taking down statues of Confederates.
Are they going to take down statues of Jefferson and Washington?
I remember thinking, oh yes, they will.
Yes, absolutely.
I mean, we laugh at the craziness, but it's perfectly rational within the Marxist worldview.
And they don't find it funny, and they're perfectly willing to go to these extreme circumstances.
I mean, look, the January—I call it the Rump Committee, the January 6 Rump Committee—is a one-party committee in the House that is exercising legislative and investigative power.
ian crossland
Is it actually all one party?
tom fitton
Well, there are Republicans who answer to Nancy Pelosi, but who don't represent the minority party.
So it's a one party operation.
So how is that consistent with a Republican form of government?
ian crossland
No, that should be an external independent organization doing that committee.
tom fitton
Well, it shouldn't be.
You know, what they're investigating is their political opposition.
I mean, when you talk about the USSR, that's the playbook.
seamus coughlin
Also, speaking of the statues, do you remember when NPR did a fact-check on Trump's statement that they would eventually go after statues of people like Washington and Jefferson?
And they fact-checked his prediction before it happened, saying it was incorrect.
tom fitton
Don't get me started on the fact-check.
seamus coughlin
They're fantastic.
ian crossland
I used to think that we should get rid of the Republicanism.
I thought the House of Representatives, this was like 2007, I was talking to Mike Revell actually, he was an Alaskan Senator at the time, and I was able to communicate with him a little bit, and I thought, it's just, I saw them getting bribed, I saw the stopgap of like, only these guys get to make the laws, it just felt like they were all corrupt, I wanted it gone.
I was like, why can't we just have The Americans pass the laws into the Senate and then let the Senate be the stopgap.
Why do we need this House of Representatives anymore?
We have internet.
And Gravel was like, no, no, we need the House of Representatives.
And I was like, is he just brainwashed because he's from that system?
Or do we actually need this?
I don't know.
I don't think they should have the monopoly on lawmaking, though.
tom fitton
Yeah, I mean, the founders wanted kind of a, a, uh, the Republican system is, is, is, has democratic, uh, you know, democratic outlooks, but it, it, it kind of is also designed to suppress the sign of the vote by, you know, just had the popular vote be promoted directly.
So, uh, so that the passions of the moment don't result in legislation being passed.
Everyone gets angry about Joe Rogan and he gets banned.
because there's this backlash and then, oh, what happens the next day? Well, he's banned
because it was passed because they had a vote that was national that resulted in him getting
banned. You don't want to be on the wrong end of that. And when you have liberties that are
protected by law and are supposed to be protected by law at all times under a constitution,
you don't want to have those subjected to the popular passions as well. So
we have a Republican form of government with Democratic aspects and the left hates it.
tim pool
We've had this conversation before, Ian, where I said, everyone in this room, all in favor of taking Ian's stuff from him?
Yeah?
Everybody?
Everybody raise your hand.
Everyone agrees?
Okay, Ian, give us your stuff.
ian crossland
Well, then you'd have to send it to the Senate, and the Senate would look at it and be like, what's this insane stuff?
And who is this person that tried to pass this in?
tim pool
The point is, when you have direct democracy, we can just vote to take from you.
ian crossland
I like the Senate.
I'm just saying the House of Representatives.
I don't understand the value.
tim pool
They represent the people and the Senate represents the states.
ian crossland
But they don't represent the people.
That's the problem.
They're supposed to... One person represents 700,000 people?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
No, they represent their own interests.
Ian, 750,000 people.
ian crossland
Thank you for the update.
unidentified
It's 2022.
tim pool
It's a lot of people!
And they don't, and they don't.
And this is something that Colbert said when Kyrsten Sinema was like, the filibuster makes sure that legislation has to have a broad range of support.
Colbert goes, no, no.
You represent 40- he's like, the party filibustering represents 41 million less people.
Colbert thinks that the 50% or the 49% of Illinois that are Republican, or whatever the number is, just blindly agree with their senator because the election was won.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, that's not how it works.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
In fact, there is a great deal of Republicans in many of these blue states who are very, very, very unhappy.
So when Colbert is like, but you represent more people.
Yeah, well, those 41 million people are probably conservatives who don't like you.
Who don't agree with you.
So it's not as simple as just be like, do whatever you want when you get power.
tom fitton
Well, I mean, it's like this argument about the popular versus the electoral vote.
What the left does is they take numbers and apply them to a game that the numbers aren't, that are outside the game's rules.
So, oh no, the Yankees really won last year because they got more strikeouts than whoever won the World Series.
Well, that may be interesting as a matter of fact.
unidentified
Exactly.
tom fitton
But that's not the way the game was played.
And no one played the game to get more strikeouts.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tom fitton
So no one plays the game in presidential elections to get more of the popular vote.
So it's irrelevant to analysis of who gets more votes or not.
And it's the same at the congressional level and the Senate level.
The popular vote, it's not relevant to the game.
ian crossland
Like it's an indication because if one team got like a hundred times more strikeouts than any other team, but they still didn't win, you might think maybe the game's being played wrong.
tom fitton
Well, for instance, Trump doesn't have to, Trump doesn't campaign in California.
So all that popular vote that's run up for Democrats in California is never countered because playing the game doesn't mean that Republicans don't go and ask for the popular vote.
Now if there was a popular vote contest every four years, Democrats think they'd win.
No, the game would change and Republicans would start agitating for the popular vote.
And who knows who would win?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, no, if there was a popular, if one day they said, Hey, everybody, guess what?
2024 is gonna be popular vote.
It wouldn't just change the rules of the game.
The country would be ripped apart by chaos and fighting.
tom fitton
Of course, the left doesn't believe in the popular vote because they want to change electoral college.
So let's say that Texas Right.
majority for Trump but the majority of electors are voting for Biden or the
popular vote is different in other states, Texas has to ignore their popular
vote. It's all a game. And I prefer the game the founders set out
for us rather than the game the left is trying to come up with now.
seamus coughlin
So the first time I ever voted was in Cook County.
tom fitton
How many times did you vote?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
Only once, believe it or not.
But I don't question the legitimacy of Cook County elections.
I will say this.
I remember feeling like it was a protest vote because it's just such a deep blue county and Illinois is such a blue state that I didn't think it was going to have any effect.
So I voted for who I wanted to, but I recognized it probably wasn't going to have an effect.
And I knew a lot of people who didn't vote, a lot of conservatives who didn't vote, because they knew the state was going to go blue.
You're right that if we did change to a system that was purely based on the popular vote, there actually is a chance that the Republicans would win because a lot of people who are disillusioned by the politics of their local municipality or state would start voting.
That said, I agree with you.
It would not be an improvement.
tim pool
I want to talk to you guys about the leftists in this country.
We'll segue into that.
We got this story from Mashable.
seamus coughlin
Oh man.
tim pool
Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview.
Yikes, saith Mashable.
I would like to introduce you to a subreddit called Anti-Work.
My understanding, after some cursory research, is that the point of this forum was people who thought no one should have to have a job.
You should be allowed to get food, shelter, and whatever given to you without doing any work.
It started to grow rapidly.
1.7 million followers of this subreddit, this forum.
It quickly changed, however, into a work reform, where it was like, hey, we just want rights.
We want to do work, but we got to get paid better.
Now, ultimately, I think this message is co-opted by the left, and that's what poisoned it.
But here's what happens.
Fox News reaches out to interview someone from the forum of 1.7 million people who don't wanna work,
or who don't like working.
And so this is what I read.
Basically, they all held a poll where they said, "'Okay, should we do this?'
Everyone voted.
The majority said, "'Do not go on Fox News.'"
seamus coughlin
Oh boy.
tim pool
One of the moderators decided to go on Fox News anyway.
It was a autistic non-binary individual, I believe, who appeared on Fox News, wouldn't look directly
into the camera, and was shying away in a messy room with an inarticulate message that seemed wishy-washy,
saying things like, "'I have to walk dogs 25 hours a week,
and I shouldn't have to do that to be able to eat and survive.'"
And I think probably that was more articulate than the person was.
This caused brigading, people rushing into the subreddit, and then ultimately it shut down.
Now they're saying they may come back, but what I find fascinating in this whole story,
the anti-work movement, the rapid explosive spread for Fox News covered this from, you know, only a year ago to, you know, tens of thousands of followers to 1.7 million.
You go to the subreddit and these are people who are outright saying, you know, I shouldn't have to have a job.
This is the mentality of the modern left.
So I'll warn, I will first say, A lot of the work reform arguments from many of these people, many of them leftist, I completely agree with.
Someone takes out $20,000 in school loans, now they owe $100,000 because of interest, and I'm like, okay, that I can understand is a problem.
Agreed.
If you take out a loan for $20,000 and there's some interest on it, I can recognize, you know, you gotta pay it back, and you gotta pay back the interest, but when it's massive, and that's for a lot of people, then I'm basically like, yo, the system is corrupt, we gotta shut that down.
I can respect that.
But when you come out and say things like, and, I shouldn't have to do any work.
I should just get stuff.
I'm like, which slave, you know, will you be, which person will you be enslaving, which group of people, in order to have them do the work to make your food?
Because food doesn't come from nowhere.
I mean, even when it grows on the trees, someone's still gotta go get it for you.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
No such thing as free lunch.
And every single thing you have that you didn't work for, somebody worked for without having.
And sometimes that's fine because it's voluntary.
Somebody gave the charity, they wanted to help you.
And then sometimes that's not fine because it was forcibly taken from the person when you yourself could have been earning money.
It's interesting how our conception of work has changed.
Over the past hundred years, maybe even just the past 50 years.
But people used to see their job as something that gave them meaning.
And they no longer do.
And there are a lot of reasons for that.
And I'm not just blaming workers themselves for having this attitude.
I think in many respects the working class are not treated well.
I don't think the left has done a great job representing them historically.
And I think that they need people who are willing to fight for them who actually have some level of contact with them and don't despise them and their values, which they don't right now.
But...
Ultimately, people used to conceive of their work as that which they contributed, and that which they were adding.
And now we have this idea that there are certain jobs that are worth doing, because what is being done at those jobs is valuable, and then basically every other job is pointless, and it's humiliating to have to do it.
But the reality is, there's dignity in all work.
And yes, workers should be treated with more dignity.
I agree with that completely, but the idea that, well, there are just certain jobs nobody should have to do is absurd, because all of those jobs need doing.
So what you should be saying is, respect the people doing it.
You shouldn't be saying, I shouldn't have to work to survive.
It's insane.
tim pool
There's a meme that I saw that I think sums up a lot of the culture war.
My brother posted it.
It said, people who are unvaccinated and oppose the vaccines don't want you to get it because they're scared you could die.
The people who are vaccinated and want you to get it are scared they could die.
And regardless of the vaccine opinion, I'm not asserting anything about vaccines.
It's just a meme.
It's just interesting that there's this perspective of, oh no, I don't want you to be hurt.
And the other perspective is you better do this so I don't get hurt.
I bring that up because, and always talk to your doctor about private medical decisions, but I bring this up in this context because what I see often from the left and like the anti-work community is, I shouldn't have to work and I should get stuff.
And then my attitude is, let me make as much stuff as possible and then help others with that stuff I have.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
It's so weird, isn't it?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
And so I think historically, and again, it's like, this is easy for me to say, right?
Because I started a small business when I was 18 years old.
It turned out to be very successful.
I get to do something that's difficult at times, but that I genuinely love doing.
And there are a lot of people who have jobs that are very difficult.
They're not in the position that I'm in.
And so I totally understand that.
But at the same time, I'll hear people say things like, you know, I have to work for 40 hours a week.
That's unnatural.
In the past, people used to take pride in the fact that they were spending that amount of time contributing.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
The problem now is in this job economy that we've found ourselves in when the Federal Reserve loves this.
They want two people and they're like, I don't have a job.
What do I do?
The Federal Reserve will be like, well, we have an idea or whoever is in control.
You dig a hole and then you come over and fill that hole back up once it's dug.
And we'll print $100,000 and then we'll give you $50,000 and you $50,000.
But you're going to have to start paying us interest back on that $100,000.
So they win.
The more money they can give out, the more win they get.
So people are aware.
They've awakened to the pointlessness of a lot of these jobs.
Now, when you define work, that's a scientific word.
That means it's an energy transfer in joules.
It can be measured.
We're working right now.
If you're thinking you're producing work, what is the work?
Is it contributing to society?
That's so important.
seamus coughlin
And that's really important because you sort of mentioned these work projects and I've heard people discuss this idea that yeah in times of economic downturn what we should be doing is creating these jobs that we don't actually need so that we can get people back in the workforce.
And what that fails to take into account is that the purpose of a job Isn't simply so that somebody can have something to do all day.
The purpose of a job is to find a way for a person to be able to contribute to society at large.
And it goes back to what we were discussing earlier with these discriminatory practices of only wanting to hire someone on the basis of their sex or skin color because what you're basically saying at that point is we're not interested in whether you're qualified for the position because the position doesn't exist for the people you're supposed to serve in that role.
The position exists for you to feel special because you have that position.
That is how we view work nowadays.
tim pool
I'm just going to leapfrog so much of this conversation because in my mind, I'm just
like hopscotching through all the points at church.
That's where it ends up, church.
seamus coughlin
It's exactly.
tim pool
Community.
People have no purpose.
Yeah.
They have no purpose.
So when they're complaining about work, it's because these jobs aren't fulfilling to them.
They feel like they're wasting their time, their lives, and their energy, and they want
to do something else, but they don't have anything else either, so they get ideological.
I'm not saying...
So I just want to clarify, too.
I'm not an overtly religious person, but my point is that when there was church, there
was community, and there was purpose for people.
And that's what people are lacking now that we're an increasingly secular country.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
And I'll add this and also clarify in case there's any doubt about this here.
As I mentioned earlier, I think the working class does need to be treated better.
I think there are so many jobs that we view as indignant or beneath people and they're not.
And part of the way we change that is we really need to admire the people who do those jobs because they're really important.
And church is important here because as a Roman Catholic, at basically every church that I've been to in my adult life, and particularly the Latin Mass that I've attended for the past few years, there is an intersection of so many different people from various economic classes and standings I don't think people have that anymore because they don't
have religion when I think about the friends that I've made through through my
Church and my primary friend group basically all from different income brackets. I can't think of any other
social organization I'm a part of where that's the case public school and but I
think you know But I think but part of why I think that's really helpful
is because it does put you in touch with like I'm I'm not Only if I wasn't going to that church if that wasn't my
faith community there I might only be in touch with other people working in
artistic fields or doing politics on the internet But instead, I'm in touch with people who are plumbers or, you know, painters, artists of a different variety, or work for a union.
tim pool
We should create an award ceremony for trade jobs.
So that we can highlight, I'm half kidding, but you know, we as a society, we sports athletes, celebrities, they get all of the attention we have to give.
And then the people who are actually making this country work don't get any of it.
tom fitton
And it's, I think there's a spiritual component, you're right to say that.
But I also think there's this elitism as well, that work is beneath me.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tom fitton
That I shouldn't have to do this.
And one of the arguments that's always bothered me about immigration and legal immigration, it's like, They do the jobs that Americans won't do.
I hear you.
I'm like, well, first of all, there's virtually no industry where immigrants are the majority.
And so Americans are doing these jobs, and they're not beneath anybody to do.
In fact, many of our parents and grandparents did jobs like this as well, and it wasn't beneath them.
And they recognized that the work and the money they earned from that help provide for their families, which was the most important thing in the world.
So they're elitist, they're torn from the world, from the community, as you talk about spiritually, and there's this leftist contempt generally for the concept of work.
tim pool
You go to the anti-work subreddit, what do you see?
Their related subreddits are socialist, communist, anarchist, leftist anarchist.
You look at the related subreddits, work reform, the communist fist is their symbol.
It's remarkable, this ideology that infects these forums, when the issue is more to do with what you can contribute, just doing hard work, rolling up your sleeves.
It's not about anybody else.
It's not about a grand ideology.
It's not about someone ripping you off.
It's about you valuing your life, your time, your energy, and what you do.
But all of them just get infected by leftist ideology, then in comes the cultural leftist ideology, and then they implode on themselves.
seamus coughlin
Well, you know, this idea that there are jobs that Americans are unwilling to do.
I mean, this is a country where we have, you know, abortionists, pornographers, prostitutes.
The idea that there are just these jobs that are so far beneath the dignity of Americans and what they're willing to accept is ridiculous.
It is the case that there are certain wages an American will not work for, and that is why they want to import people to do those jobs.
tim pool
Here's the big problem with the leftist ideology in these subreddits is that they're doing nothing to stop the mass wave of illegal immigration.
tom fitton
That's right.
tim pool
And so they're wondering why it is you bring up those wages they won't work for.
Well, when you bring in where we have two million people entering this country without any sense of where they would go and how they will survive, all of a sudden now, these college kids who are looking for entry-level positions, you're not going to get out of college and go work for a firm.
You're gonna get out of college and go work for a Starbucks while you try to figure things out, maybe find an internship.
But you're not gonna be able to do that either.
Because now, all of a sudden, you're walking up and you're seeing a huge line of people who want work.
So all of these entry-level positions, they say, the minimum wage should be $15 an hour.
It would be if the supply of low-skill labor was reduced.
tom fitton
Well, you know, the unions used to be opposed to mass immigration.
If there were well-run unions who were creative, they'd be saying, Okay, well if we're going to have a government program that depresses wages, meaning mass immigration, well we have to make up for that with, as you point out, with an increase in the minimum wage.
So big corporations, you can get your immigrants, but we get on our side, because we're subsidizing your labor costs with a government program, we get to ensure that our employees and union members get increased wages.
It's a major issue.
ian crossland
What if you raised the minimum wage only for large corporations?
tom fitton
They don't care.
ian crossland
They wouldn't care.
tom fitton
It's a rounding error.
ian crossland
But what would happen is they couldn't hire as many people, but more people would be benefiting from working there, but they would still limit their ability to hire mass.
tim pool
They would just increase the prices and it would have the same effect on the local economy.
ian crossland
But then people wouldn't buy their stuff because their prices would go up.
tim pool
That's not even... That's maybe partially true.
tom fitton
Or they'd hire less people and save them money.
ian crossland
But what they would do is... And the business couldn't grow.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Ian, Ian, Ian.
Here's what would happen.
If you went to Starbucks and say, and they do increase minimum wage based on company size as well in a lot of places, like if you have 50 or more employees or 150, but here's what happens.
Starbucks, uh, well, you know, let's not say Starbucks.
unidentified
Let's say S-bucks.
tim pool
Seattle Bucks Cafe will find a location where there's a mom-and-pop cafe, they'll open up next door, and purposefully lose money with ridiculously low prices.
You know why?
Because a regular person's gonna walk up and there's a mom-and-pop shop, five buck Frappuccino, and they're gonna look over at Starbucks, four buck Frappuccino.
Starbucks loses a dollar on every sale, but they're strangling the small business who doesn't have the coffers to fight back.
So if you came out and said, OK, OK, then we should raise the minimum wage on these big, you know, these bigger companies.
Walmart's going to sit back with a cigar in their mouth and be like, oh, we can sink all of them.
We're going to drop our prices because we have billions upon billions in profits.
We're going to take a 20 percent loss on that store and we'll pay your minimum wage.
And then, once we eliminate all of the local shops, local bakeries gone, local butcher shop is gone, local clothing store is gone, then we're gonna crank the prices way up to accommodate those losses, and you can't do anything about it if there's nowhere to go.
ian crossland
They'll pay inflated wages and reduce the cost of their sales?
You think that's a big risk for a large corp?
No, it's not.
That's a big risk.
tim pool
No, it isn't.
ian crossland
I think it is.
tim pool
Bro, in San Francisco, Starbucks is across the street from Starbucks.
I'm not even kidding.
Have you guys seen this?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All over the place.
There's literally a Starbucks and across the street Starbucks.
ian crossland
I think there was a Starbucks inside of a Starbucks.
No, that was an Onion article.
tim pool
No, that was an Onion article.
tom fitton
It sounds true.
ian crossland
It might happen.
tim pool
In Chicago, there was one intersection where there's on the southwest corner Starbucks and the northeast corner Starbucks.
They don't make money doing that.
They dominate and take over.
Bro, these corporations make so much in profits with all of these locations that they can sacrifice one location to defeat you, the people, the working class.
ian crossland
Oh, so you think they'll lower the prices at a specific location?
tim pool
That's what they do.
So if, you know, a local jurisdiction says, you know, our city is increasing the minimum wage, they'll say, okay, we will pay that.
And then we're not going to raise prices.
We're going to make sure our prices are low enough that anyone who could compete with us in an X, you know, X mile radius is put out of business.
Then we can charge whatever we want and they'll get their money back.
ian crossland
Yeah, to an ignorant populace, yeah, that would work.
seamus coughlin
It works all the time.
tim pool
They do it all the time.
ian crossland
To an ignorant populace.
If people knew what they were doing, and that they were trying to put businesses out of business, and they realized it, then they would boycott the place.
tim pool
They do.
ian crossland
They don't care.
tim pool
This is why I said yesterday— I do.
You do.
I said this yesterday.
Let me know if you agree, Tom.
I said, if you went to your average American—I don't care if they're liberal, conservative, or otherwise—and said, All of the good in your life, your wages, the cheap gas, everything, we will allow you to keep, but we need you to sign this document to kill a bunch of kids overseas.
I say they would sign it.
I say the average American would be like, don't tell my friends I did.
People walk up to Starbucks knowing exactly who they are and what they do.
We just went and bought a bunch of Starbucks because they got rid of the vaccine mandate.
ian crossland
Don't roll me in on this one.
tim pool
You did it, Tim.
I stand by it.
When a company does the right thing, I want them to do more of the right thing.
So I'll call them out now.
And it's not just about Starbucks.
I've only heard the anecdotes about Starbucks.
I was going to say, fact check me on that.
I may be wrong.
seamus coughlin
But yeah, I don't know about Starbucks specifically, but it is true that businesses will intentionally take a loss in order to destroy their competitors.
ian crossland
But can they take the level of loss of having their wages go up and their sales cost go up?
seamus coughlin
That's a big change.
It depends on how much the change is in either direction.
tom fitton
The quote Nancy Pelosi when she was defending her individualized stock trades.
That's capital.
tim pool
Yeah.
tom fitton
And the challenge is that you may not like it.
It's like how do you fix it?
And the only way to fix it is through a regulatory scheme run by incompetence liars or lying incompetence.
So there's there's no good answer to that.
If you don't, you know, I sometimes shop in places that aren't chain stores because I know I'm getting a little bit more customer service and that's good.
And other times I'll go to Starbucks because I like the coffee there.
tim pool
I got to be honest, out here, even in West Virginia, the local coffee and bagel shop has a mask mandate by choice and the Starbucks doesn't.
ian crossland
Drop that mandate, dog.
You heard it here first.
Can we talk about Nancy Pelosi for a second?
tim pool
She's running for re-election.
Nancy Pelosi has announced she's running for re-election.
ian crossland
Oh, good for her.
tim pool
Heaven help us.
ian crossland
Is she just doing this because it looks like the 29 Democrats are resigning?
tim pool
You mean the 29 Democrats are resigning?
ian crossland
Yeah, 29 Democrats are about to resign.
So she's like, well, we're going to lose the entire House to the Republicans, so I need to stay here.
tom fitton
You think that's why she's... Yeah, I mean, she can retire at any time or end her campaign at any time.
tim pool
You know what I think we should do?
And hear me out, I'm 100% serious.
I believe some nice gentleman should bring in a wheelchair to her office, place her in it, put a blanket on her lap, and wheel her out, bring her to a home, and make sure she's comfortable, and then we the people will decide what to do next.
tom fitton
Are you suggesting she has a Joe Biden problem?
tim pool
Nancy Pelosi?
tom fitton
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, she's just old and out of touch and incompetent.
And at a certain point, we have an age minimum, but perhaps we require an age limit as well.
ian crossland
She shakes when she talks.
tom fitton
And her teeth fall out.
We were talking about this before the show started.
Compare and contrast the mental acuity Of Dr. Fauci.
tim pool
Who's 81.
Exactly.
tom fitton
With Joe Biden and or Nancy Pelosi or many others of similar age.
tim pool
To be fair Fauci has flip-flopped so often maybe he does have some kind of brain thing going on.
seamus coughlin
I mean it's true it's so much more about the individual person it's very you can't really put in a blanket statement say at this age the person has to step down because some people are just sharp at an older age.
ian crossland
The nice thing about comparing Biden to Fauci.
tim pool
Then why do we have an age minimum?
seamus coughlin
No, I mean, well, I think the age minimum is a life experience thing.
I think that's a big part of it.
I mean, do you want, like, a 21-year-old in any of these positions?
tim pool
Yo, if there's somebody who started working in, you know, like, a factory with, like, their family or whatever when they were seven, and they've got 15 years of experience in, you know, a political and industrial environment, it's better than a 25-year-old who's graduated from college.
ian crossland
What about non-Americans?
seamus coughlin
I hear you say.
tim pool
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Like Elon, a non-American that moves to the United States when they're two, but they can't be president and they have all these restrictions on what they can be in government.
Do you think that we should get rid of that stuff?
tim pool
No, I think that's good.
That's fine.
ian crossland
But age restrictions you think we should get rid of?
tim pool
Age restrictions?
No, I'm in favor of putting more on.
ian crossland
Oh, I thought you said a young genius should have access to it.
tim pool
I said we should have an age limit for old people, and he said, but you can't determine the life experience, you know, blah blah blah.
Some people.
And then I said, well, we do it for young people.
My point is, we have a minimum, we should have a maximum.
I'm not saying definitively, I completely 100% believe we should have a maximum.
I'm saying, let's entertain the possibility that someone who's 80 should probably retire.
ian crossland
Cognitive tests.
tim pool
The laws they are passing, they will not live underneath.
ian crossland
They don't do tests.
tim pool
Okay, so, you know, if a society grows great when people plant trees whose shade they know they'll never sit beneath, 80-year-olds like Pelosi and old people like Biden are not planting trees for anyone.
Yeah, they're not going to see whatever happens.
They don't care.
seamus coughlin
It's a complicated.
tom fitton
Go ahead.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's just it's a complicated thing because I do think that it's it's an age floors a bit different from an age ceiling here, but Ultimately, we have a system that's structured so that because you leave office eventually, everyone's sort of incentivized to just pull what they can out of the system for as long as they can until they leave without really thinking about the long-term consequences.
Because let's say you have a young politician, and it's like, they're not going to have to live under the policies anyway because there are different laws for them.
They're above it.
tim pool
Well, so my proposal was the island.
The island.
tom fitton
Which is?
tim pool
As soon as you leave office, you get sent to an island where you will live with other people who have left office.
You will own nothing and you'll be happy.
tom fitton
I have an island where I put people, but we do different categories.
tim pool
I don't know, maybe they can go along with him.
I don't seriously think that idea is the right idea, but I'm just trying to think, like, how do you stop someone from saying, I'm going to run for office, I'm going to get in, I'm going to extract as much as I can, and then I'm going to run away?
seamus coughlin
You don't.
That's all any of them do.
How do you stop it?
I don't know.
It might be built into democracy and representative democracy.
tom fitton
This is advice as head of Judicial Watch.
We're nonpartisan.
I give to all politicians To me, running on a reform agenda would be a solution there.
And that agenda would include term limits, balanced budget amendments, significant cuts to the federal government.
Because what happens is, it's not someone who's 80.
It's someone who's 80 who got there when they were 40.
You know, I prefer having someone there 75 to 85 there for 10 years.
You know, that experience is of great value to society.
So that's not the issue.
The issue is the term of office that politicians are in.
And to me, you know, I know there are a lot of conservatives who don't like the idea of term limits.
I don't think it's a silver bullet.
But what happens is it breeds the worst aspects of being a politician.
You're right.
Cynicism, institutionalism, contempt for other people's views who aren't in Congress because you've known it all since you've been there forever.
No, no, no.
We need new blood every few years.
tim pool
You're right.
And I think I will revise my The Island statement and just say perhaps the solution is Logan's Run.
ian crossland
Great movie.
Yeah.
tim pool
Seamus, are you familiar?
seamus coughlin
I have, I have not seen Logan's run.
tim pool
So when you turn 30, when you turn 30, you, uh, you know, you get, you shuffle off the mortal coil.
seamus coughlin
Are you, are you spoiling it?
tim pool
People have lights.
Yeah.
tom fitton
We laugh, but that's been the approach with Briar.
Briar could die in office.
You know, that's why they were mad, angry at, at, um, what's Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Cause she died during the Trump administration.
She should have gotten out.
tim pool
That's a great satirical article.
Red light on Breyer's hand begins blinking red.
Forced to retire.
tom fitton
That's the way the left looks at Supreme Court justices.
tim pool
In Logan's run, they had lights on their hands.
And it was like, when they were young, it was green.
When they're getting old, it turns yellow.
When they're about to turn 30, it starts blinking red.
And then Logan's run is, you know.
tom fitton
He runs.
tim pool
Yeah, he runs.
He's like, I don't want to die!
unidentified
I'm only 30!
seamus coughlin
He just runs.
He's like, all right, bye.
tom fitton
That's how you escape it.
tim pool
We got a runner.
unidentified
We got a runner.
seamus coughlin
Dude escapes this trophy just by running.
tim pool
They could remake that movie.
They could do it really, really well.
seamus coughlin
They kind of did.
So there was a film I saw a few years ago.
I saw it recently, but it came out about 10 years ago.
It's with Justin Timberlake.
It's not exactly the same, but you have a barcode on your arm that says the amount of time that you're alive for.
When it counts down to zero, you die.
tim pool
And you can buy time.
seamus coughlin
But you can buy time, yeah.
So wealth is the amount of time you have.
Not exactly the same, but kind of a different twist on a similar concept.
tim pool
I think I saw that.
I think that's a cool concept.
I don't know.
These sci-fi dystopian movies aren't really the solution to our problems.
ian crossland
If we were going to remake it, it would have to be in a dream.
Like, they trap you in your metaverse, and then you have to run in the dream.
Because in the real life, if you try and run, there's drone bombs and lasers.
But in the dream, you can run away.
tim pool
No, no, Ian.
You run for office.
And then you run to get away from office.
So a term is four years.
You run for Congress, boom, you're in for four years.
As soon as that four years is up, there's no re-election.
You get locked in the Matrix.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That's it.
You're just out.
seamus coughlin
We don't have the technology, so it's just going to be Mark Zuckerberg, like, duct taping Oculus to your forehead and putting you in the metaverse.
Like, you can't get out.
You're covered in bed sores.
tom fitton
The theory is there was an old, the old play, Dr. Marlowe by, uh, well, no, Faustus by Christopher Marlowe.
ian crossland
Dr. Faustus.
tom fitton
Yeah, Faustus is dealing with the devil, Mephistopheles.
And he said, how did you get out of hell, Mephistopheles?
He said, this is hell, nor am I out of it.
So we're still in the matrix.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
You know, maybe, maybe.
I think the metaverse is coming.
I think we're all going to get locked inside of it.
ian crossland
We're in a matrix.
You can measure the matrix we're in.
If you know how much of something, what it is and where it is, and you can measure that in the X, Y, Z axis, this cube that we're within.
tim pool
Okay, I have no idea what that means, but my proposal is this.
When we elect Joe Rogan as president in 2028, he should issue an executive order mandating DMT passport requirements for access to bars, restaurants, and universities.
seamus coughlin
Did you smoke your DMT?
ian crossland
Have you smoked a DMT?
seamus coughlin
Have you had your DMT booster?
It wears off.
tom fitton
I think to Joe Rogan's credit, I don't think Joe Rogan would vote for Joe Rogan.
tim pool
No, I agree.
ian crossland
Good point.
Love the humility.
seamus coughlin
That's true.
ian crossland
And the great thing about Joe is it's his guests.
They talk a lot about Joe Rogan, and he is a genius.
He'll talk himself down, but the way he can sit there and listen to Jordan Peterson, you need a genius to do that.
tom fitton
He's the Larry King of the internet age.
ian crossland
Yeah.
And shout out to his guests.
tim pool
I mean, there is something to be said about a passport for some kind of deeper understanding of reality.
I don't think it's necessarily, you know, DMT, that's the joke.
But perhaps if we as a society were like, you know, a service guarantees citizenship or something to that effect, you know, like, you need to understand something, you need to do work and contribute for something in order to get something in return.
Right now it's, you know, we had that famous quote, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
It's completely inverted these days.
tom fitton
Yeah.
Well, there's a war on citizenship.
I mean, the whole, the whole zeitgeist now is to eliminate the distinctions between citizens and non-citizens.
Oh, New York's?
It's offensive to the transnational progressives.
They don't believe in nation-states and sovereignty because it gets in the way of the communist utopia they're pushing.
And I wouldn't have said this six years ago.
You knew this was out there among the Marxists for a long time.
But now there's kind of a rising communism in a major party here in the country that this is their go-to strategy.
ian crossland
It's not coincidence.
tom fitton
I mean, when CRT is the guiding movement narrative for a presidential administration, you know, those pushing it must be very proud.
ian crossland
Dude, Build Back Better is a Klaus Schwab thing.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is part of the World Economic Forum's Great Reset is Build Back Better.
This is where I first heard of it.
And then all of a sudden, a year later, Joe Biden is saying those words as if we're going to do it without referencing Klaus Schwab.
And please correct me if I'm wrong.
If Klaus Schwab didn't say it, then I'm totally off base.
But I remember talking about this.
tim pool
It was all over Europe.
I think Boris Johnson claimed Biden stole it from him because Build Back Better was all over Europe.
unidentified
OK.
tom fitton
Well, Nancy Pelosi used Drain the Swamp when she ran to take control of Congress in 2010.
Wow.
Really?
There's nothing new under the sun.
tim pool
Yep.
And Make America Great Again was Ronald Reagan.
tom fitton
Yep.
Morning in America again.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom fitton
Morning in America.
ian crossland
This is exactly right.
Klaus Schwab first started circulating the idea of the Great Reset, which uses Build Back Better integral parts.
So we are co-opted.
tom fitton
Are we allowed to say the Great Reset?
ian crossland
Yeah, the Great Reset is very, very plain.
tom fitton
I know all these algorithms get triggered by certain words.
ian crossland
It's either directly influenced and has co-opted our president or indirectly.
But this methodology of building back better with a socialized, corporate, political government state is in Joe Biden's head, whether he realizes it or not.
tom fitton
Well, certainly with COVID, you know, initially there was this panicked, crazed decision making on the shutdowns.
Now it's vindictive and vicious.
And they see it as an opportunity for dramatic political and social change.
I mean, I don't think it's any mistake you had this Reddit thing pop up with, I don't want to work, after two years of people not having to work.
tim pool
All right, everybody, let's go to Super Chats.
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We're gonna have a members-only segment talking about election stuff.
That'll be up around 11 or so p.m., but let's read what we got here.
We got Dylan Hernandez says, I subscribed to your TimCast monthly plan.
I used PayPal to leave it as my autopay.
Have not used PayPal in months.
Just let the payments go through, but days ago, PayPal banned my account.
Didn't do anything but give you money.
Yep.
I can't say I'm surprised.
I don't know if it has anything to do with us, but maybe.
I don't know.
Maybe it was because you didn't use the account, to be completely honest.
If you set up an account with PayPal and then you turn on AutoPay and then don't do anything with it, they might send you an email and be like, hey, is this account still active?
And if you're not really paying attention, they might say, okay, shut it down.
It could be one reason.
tom fitton
I don't know.
tim pool
Alright, let's see, Blue C says, check my ads, posted, you are next.
Yeah, that's, they're just, you know, trying really, really hard to get attention, so congratulations, the super chat works in their favor, but, um, I gotta be honest, we are principally not funded by ads, you know?
We, uh, it's this weirdest thing where the left is going after, like, Dan Bongino, and, uh, I think Ben Shapiro, maybe, I don't know.
But it has something to do with January 6th.
And they're like, we're gonna get all their advertisers removed from their show.
And I'm just like, we do direct ad reads.
Like, I read the ads at the end of the show, and we only do six per month.
tom fitton
So you do advertising, like traditional radio advertising, where the host is reading an ad, you know.
tim pool
Yeah, it's all like directly with us, from people who know us and ask us.
The company's come to us and they're like, Hey, we want to be on your show.
So I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't get it.
Look, it's just grifting.
tom fitton
It's just people who are lying to pay you to encourage people to donate to judicial watch.
tim pool
You have to pay me to do it?
tom fitton
Would we have to?
tim pool
Oh, I mean, or you could just come on the show and shout out Judicial Watch.
But for the most part, my friends... But that's the way you would do it.
tom fitton
You know someone, and they know you, and you... You know, for Judicial Watch stuff... So Sleeping Giants isn't going to be able to stop anyone from advertising.
tim pool
Well, that's basically what it is.
It's a lady who got really mad because she tried claiming she started it when she didn't.
So she's trying to be like, it was me, but it wasn't some other guy or something like that.
So now she's trying to get attention by, you know, posting overtly fake garbage.
As everybody who watches the show knows, she's made the claim that I've pushed the big lie that Donald Trump won the election, which I've never once stated.
Not one time.
And for this, the Trump supporters are very mad at me.
They don't like me for it.
But we're funded by members at TimCast.com.
So, what makes this show work?
TimCast.com.
Memberships.
What makes our journalists able to do their jobs?
Your membership at TimCast.com.
So when these people just make up these lies, like, we're gonna go after their advertisers, and their advertisements are like, .1, I think it's like .01% of the revenue, it's so ridiculously small, it's completely negligible, and I'm just like, I actually was talking to the company, and I was like, do we even need this?
Like, do we need to do this?
tom fitton
It's like, well, Is it worth it?
tim pool
You should, because the idea is that, you know, once the website gets bigger and has much more traffic, it could become substantial.
So, you know, for the most part, they're just grifters who are trying to use the fact that our show is growing and hatred from trolls or whatever to make money, and they've made tens of thousands of dollars off lying.
They overtly lie, they make things up, they completely fabricate things, and I will state for the record right now as a statement of fact, That these individuals fabricate information to trick people into giving them money, and I believe it is an act of fraud.
Yeah, I can assert that with... I mean, look, I'll be honest.
The lies are so obvious that, like, it's not even a question for me to say.
tom fitton
That's my view generally about big tech.
It's all fraud.
The censorship is evidence of fraud.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tom fitton
And it should be prosecuted.
tim pool
But why do you say fraud?
tom fitton
Because they're saying they're censoring you for reason A when in fact it's reason B. So they're lying to users, shareholders, regulators, and Congress.
tim pool
Oh, interesting.
tom fitton
Securities Exchange Commission, Federal Trade Commission, Congress, DOJ, and I trust whatever should be investigating the fraud.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
Michael Holder says, regarding the race-swapping characters thing, it's not actually about the race-swapping.
It's that everyone in Hollywood has become race-obsessed ideologues and turned everything they write into woke veggie tales.
Ask Eric July about it next time he's on.
He'll talk your ears off about it.
Oh, no, no.
I get it, for sure.
You know, we were talking last night about, uh, Titans.
It's a DC show.
tom fitton
Yeah.
tim pool
One of the characters, Starfire, is in the comics, she's like an orange alien.
And they cast a black woman to play Starfire.
There was like this big uproar, I guess, a lot of people were angry, like, why are they, you know, Starfire is not black or whatever, and my attitude was like, it's an alien.
I call it racialism.
It's this obsession and it's disturbing.
why anyone would be mad about that.
But their response is, it's not really about that.
It's about the race obsession and the wokeness and the CRT and stuff.
I'm like, that I get.
tom fitton
Yeah.
What do you hear about the M&Ms?
I call it racialism.
It's this obsession and it's disturbing.
It's really disturbing.
tim pool
I agree, man.
I agree.
Alright, Joker says, ShimCast forever!
seamus coughlin
Beautiful!
Thank you so much.
And honestly, it has been forever since I've been on.
It's so great to be back.
tim pool
We gotta get... We have this TimCast thing that's behind our guests all the time.
You can see it.
Someone made it for us.
We need to get one that says ShimCast.
seamus coughlin
We do.
ian crossland
Anyone, you guys.
unidentified
Someone wants to send us a ShimCast sign.
ian crossland
It looks like that TimCast sign.
We're putting it behind Seamus.
seamus coughlin
They were looking for something to put up behind me.
So Tim just pins a lint roller to the wall.
It's right there.
This is what I'm working with.
ian crossland
He was actually rolling the lint off him before he did it too.
tim pool
It indicates that Seamus is dirty.
unidentified
I am dirty.
seamus coughlin
Well, I don't think there needs to be an indicator.
tom fitton
Is that the anti-Irish subtext too?
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
Oh, it's nothing to do with him being Irish.
ian crossland
Clean yourself up.
seamus coughlin
YouTube will ban you.
I don't like this racialism.
Netflix is gonna reboot me.
tim pool
Alright, RVDL says Neil hoped to burn out, but he chose to fade away.
What a sad old man.
ian crossland
I just listened to Sweet Judy Blue Eyes before I came up.
unidentified
Neil Young.
seamus coughlin
Sad Neil Young.
tim pool
What is this?
Saluk Erotic says, I hope Neil Young will remember.
A southern man don't need him around anyhow.
Sweet home Alabama.
Yep, they don't need him around, neither do we.
You could be an internet person, you could be a freedom-loving person, you could be a music or podcast listener.
None of us need you, Neil Young.
seamus coughlin
Spotify don't need him around, that's it.
tim pool
Yeah, they don't.
DJ Buddies Rock Garden says, dude, I'm 61 and a loyal listener.
F Neil Young, disaffected liberal.
Isn't it sad?
seamus coughlin
He's an okay boomer.
tim pool
He's an okay boomer.
Love him.
The thing about Neil Young is that he's this guy who's supposed to be protesting, rocking in the free world.
And he's just an establishment shill.
ian crossland
The problem is when you get famous for something, there's a tendency to think that you're supposed to keep doing that thing you got famous for to continue to be famous.
So he got really well known for being, you know, for protesting.
And it's like, at some point you can change course.
You don't need to keep being the guy that poured ketchup on your head every video to try and one-up what made you get there.
You know, now you're there.
I was in the shower, man.
I almost came out hot on Neil Young, just ripping him to shreds personally, but I don't really know exactly what his thought process is here, so I'm not going to go too hard on him.
tim pool
Let me, uh, earmuffs for your kids.
Lee says, I'm one of the few CNN viewers.
I was channel surfing and my BF came over.
We started participating in adult activities and he threw the remote, stopping it on CNN.
I'm sorry.
My worst mistake and biggest regret.
Could you imagine with like Don Lemon in the background?
How would that even work for any, any human being?
seamus coughlin
Mind over matter.
tim pool
Desperately trying to focus on something else.
Jim Acosta comes on.
Yeah, I'm sorry, man.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Alright, Waffle Sensei says, Shamus, would you consider filling in for Luke till he gets back?
You're hilarious and we love you, dude.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I love you.
Thank you so much for saying that.
So yeah, Tim and I have definitely been talking about it.
I might be hanging out for a little while and just... Yeah, Seamus came to me and asked.
I was begging.
I said, Tim, please.
tim pool
I started laughing.
unidentified
Tim, you begged me.
seamus coughlin
You said, Seamus, we need you.
We need you over here.
ShimCast is gonna fall apart without the original ShimSham himself.
And I said, I'll get here.
I'll come there as fast as I can because I'm a good friend.
And I got in my car and I drove hours and hours and hours.
tim pool
He was like, I couldn't help but notice Luke is gone.
And I was like, and?
And he was like, you think there's any chance?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Like maybe I could.
And I was like, Seamus, you think I would put you in Luke's chair?
I called Luke.
Luke immediately started screaming with laughter.
seamus coughlin
That is not even remotely what happened.
That is not even what happened.
tim pool
Anyone who watches the vlogs- Luke was here for a few months, he left, so now that's where he would sit.
seamus coughlin
Anyone who watches the vlog will know the following is true, alright?
Luke was on his way out.
Old model, past his expiration date.
Gotta bring in the new model.
tom fitton
The Nancy Pelosi of Tim Cagney.
ian crossland
Exactly!
seamus coughlin
We're putting age limits.
unidentified
I think he's gonna take offense to that.
seamus coughlin
And Luke comes to me, despite the fact that I've been nothing but respectful and admiring towards the Polish people.
And he starts trashing my ethnic background.
And I said, look, Tim, I'm going to be honest.
I think this guy's a PR disaster.
I think he's going to get you in trouble.
Tim said, you're right, Seamus.
I've been thinking about it.
I want to ask you on.
He kicked Luke out that day.
Pack your bags.
tim pool
In all seriousness, if you want to... Well, we just exposed our whole PR campaign.
ian crossland
If you want to support Luke Rutkowski, go to thebestpoliticalshirts.com and get your favorite shirt.
seamus coughlin
And then Tim changed his mascot to, like, non-binary so that we wouldn't have any controversy.
tim pool
What actually happened is that Luke left and I said, you know, we can see if we can have some people come in and out.
We have different cast, you know, people who work at the castle or work for timcast.com.
And then Seamus was like, I'm going to be heading back.
And I said, Uh, when are you coming back?
And he said, I think I might be back in a day or so.
And I was like, can you try and get back before the show?
Because we could really use you on the show.
And Shane was like, yeah, for sure.
And then that's what really happened.
seamus coughlin
First of all, that is not what happened.
I did not say I was going to be back in a day or so.
Tim said, if you're not back in a day or so, this is going to fall apart.
tim pool
But I actually said it like...
ian crossland
If you're not back in a day or so.
tim pool
And my arms are going like this.
seamus coughlin
If you're not back by the end of the day.
Speaking of which, check out the newest Freedom Tunes, everybody.
Pretty good.
Tucker Carlson and Bernie Sanders.
But yeah, that's what happened.
But yes, so I will be filling in for a little while.
tim pool
Yes, Seamus will be filling in.
I mean, before Luke showed up, we didn't actually have a fourth person.
And then when we built this new studio, we had a fourth person in mind, because it used to just be three.
seamus coughlin
That's Tim putting me on notice.
He's like, I'm just letting you know we didn't always have four people.
tom fitton
Now you can have a fifth.
tim pool
Yeah, we do.
Too many people, it becomes a cacophony.
You know what happens.
yeah all right we got one we got this one from wonder without the fear says truckers convoy 2022 this needs to be addressed this this peaceful and truckers helps everyone many usa truckers are coming up to ca so much love keep it peaceful yeah did you guys hear uh this massive trucker convoy man Yeah, and the GoFundMe.
ian crossland
Something about this GoFundMe.
They had 5 million and they froze this 5 million bucks going to the truckers.
tom fitton
Of course.
ian crossland
What's up with that?
tim pool
Yeah, well, GoFundMe is like, until you can give us a plan as to what you're going to do with the money, frozen.
ian crossland
Right.
tom fitton
You know, I had Judicial Watch do a petition to get a special counsel for Joe Biden.
And I was a little nervous about using Change.org, but I did it and 350,000 people signed up.
And people were saying, well, that's a leftist organization.
It's like, well, good.
tim pool
Yeah.
tom fitton
What better place than to advocate holding Joe Biden accountable than on Change.org?
ian crossland
So what are these truckers doing exactly?
tim pool
They're protesting the VEX mandates.
ian crossland
And what are they doing?
Are they on the road just all diving?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they're just in a big convoy.
seamus coughlin
Good.
Disrupting the supply chain.
Imagine screwing with truckers right now.
How stupid, how unbelievably stupid you have to be.
It's because everyone has to obey.
Doesn't matter if it's going to make life way more difficult for everybody, they're out of line and they have to be punished.
tim pool
To be fair though, imagine screwing with truckers at any point.
seamus coughlin
No, that's also true, but especially now.
You're absolutely right.
We really depend on them.
But now, of all times, like when there's already supply chain issues, when we're already having food shortages, I know who we're going to screw with.
The people who bring us our food.
Brilliant.
Great job.
tim pool
Thank you Brandon. All right. We got Rukusa says Tim waiting for you to pull your Brett Mason signature
Telly off the wall and break out and we're not gonna take it. I can dream can't I?
Well, we were we were planning on doing a show when we were gonna have
We were never Michael Graves, but he couldn't he didn't he he couldn't make it
We used to do Friday Night Jam sessions, but we're set up for it for the most part.
So maybe, you know, maybe.
Especially when we have guests on that are musicians, which probably will be sick.
tom fitton
That would be great.
tim pool
Yeah, we used to do Friday night.
We would just jam out for like a half an hour after the show, play songs, play music.
People clipped a whole bunch of my songs and put them up, which they were like... After talking for like seven hours in one day, then trying to sing was just brutal.
unidentified
I believe it.
Yeah, I'd be like... They're good though.
ian crossland
Those video clips are great.
That's how I learned a lot of your music is through those clips.
tim pool
There you go.
I'm surprised.
They got a lot of views on some of them.
Who says I don't own firearms, but thank you very much.
We love him. It's really Tim. We love your work in the crew Tom. Thank God for judicial watch
IRL kicks ass PS democracy and peril equals Democrat mandates who says I don't own firearms, but thank you very
seamus coughlin
much I'm glad that you love me
tim pool
All right. Let's grab some Brown bear says who the hell is Neil Young? Yeah
All of the young people who watch the show just went, who?
seamus coughlin
More like Neil Old, bro.
No one knows who you are.
tim pool
That's a thing to consider too, when we're like, yo, Neil Young is issuing an ultimatum.
Anyone under like 30 went, who?
seamus coughlin
I'm under 30.
lydia smith
Yeah, I didn't know who he was.
tim pool
You've never heard Neil Young before.
seamus coughlin
That's true.
I've never, I don't even know who he is.
unidentified
Not once.
seamus coughlin
I've heard Neil Young.
ian crossland
Old Man is such a good song.
unidentified
I like the classics.
tim pool
Yeah, he's rockin', he's got the rockin', he's got Ohio.
He's got rockin', rockin' in the free world, I think, too.
ian crossland
Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young.
I mean, but when Neil left the band, it was just Crosby, Stills, and Nash, and they were never even held a candle to what the four of those guys did.
tim pool
Yeah, well, Neil Young, I see this move and I'm just like, it makes me feel that everything he's ever said has been a lie just to pander to people to sell albums.
ian crossland
I don't.
I still think he's legit, but I think he's just gone.
He's like in a computer program on repeat.
seamus coughlin
Luke still believes in Neil Young.
ian crossland
And he's afraid of COVID.
seamus coughlin
You heard it here.
tim pool
Yeah, I believe it for sure.
tom fitton
All right, PTSD.
tim pool
PreppedNet says, Hey Tim, did you hear about Tiffany Cross on MSNBC?
She actually told people to get weapons and fight in a war.
She's trying to get people to physically harm people for their opinions and choices.
I think she was being metaphorical.
You know, she was like, we are in a war and people need to, you know, she said, she made that statement.
I'm going to be very careful here, but I'll tell you this.
It doesn't matter if it was metaphorical or not.
She actually said on MSNBC that people should take up weapons.
Alex Jones got banned for that.
That's one of the reasons he got banned.
Because he had made metaphorical statements about fighting back and defending yourself and stuff like that.
There's two rules here.
ian crossland
Jen Psaki was like, go to the weekend, drink a margarita, come back on Monday and let's fight!
tim pool
Kickboxing class, she said.
ian crossland
She said, take a kickboxing class.
Then she said, have a margarita.
Then she said, come back on Monday and fight!
Like you're going to tell people to come fight?
Is that not inciting?
tom fitton
Yes, that caused the President of the United States to be impeached.
ian crossland
It's this metaphor, fight, fight, fight.
You hear Elizabeth Warren, we're going to fight for rights and fight and fight, fight, fight.
And you're like, dude, this is an annoying metaphor.
It's bland.
You obviously don't mean to take up physical arms.
Why are you saying fight?
But it's a metaphor that can get you banned on YouTube if you say it.
seamus coughlin
Depending on your political views.
If Tim said we're not going to take it anymore, they'd probably construe that as a threat.
tim pool
Yeah, if I got up and went, I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore, they'd be like, whoa, whoa, shut it down.
tom fitton
What are you implying?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, what are you implying?
ian crossland
I don't like the fight metaphor, especially these politicians using it to rile people up.
I don't like it.
tim pool
If I came out and said, I want to rock and roll all night and party every day, they'd just be like, oh, shut it down.
seamus coughlin
When he had a blade behind him and a firearm on the wall, we know he's a threat.
ian crossland
Someone suggested you get a cutlass, so it's true form.
tim pool
Yeah, that's a mall sword.
It means I went to the mall, and I went to some, like, weeb guy who was like, you want to buy an Asian sword?
And I was like, yeah.
ian crossland
They said that the sword cheapens the gun, or the replica, so that you could get a cutlass and make the full pirate theme.
tim pool
I literally was looking on the room like, what can I put behind me?
And I'm like, I have a mall sword.
And I have this, this, this flintlock, you know, and that's all that happened.
ian crossland
Beautiful.
tim pool
And then we actually had a different decor.
Yeah.
We had a different guitar behind me, but it was too bright.
So we, we put up the Brett, the Brett Mason.
That dude is legit an incredible guitarist.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
This, this guitar is rad too.
That dude's this was awesome.
All right.
Let's see.
We got here.
We got the world says.
Why don't we just allow debtors to file for bankruptcy?
Student loans are the only loans where you can't file for bankruptcy.
tom fitton
I don't know if that's true.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well also, you can't repossess a degree, which is part of it.
I'm not saying that there isn't a massive issue with student loans and the interest payments right now, but it's a very differently structured law.
ian crossland
You used to be able to default to George Bush Jr.
He passed some legislation and he couldn't default on those.
tom fitton
There is a massive issue.
We have adults making poor financial decisions and expecting taxpayers to come in and bail them out.
And they're seeking a massive transfer of wealth from people who don't go to college to people who do.
It's elitism in the worst way.
tim pool
And they're the highest income earners in the country.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think there's truth in that.
tim pool
But I do think the system is corrupt.
seamus coughlin
It needs to be stopped.
tim pool
We stop these loans.
tom fitton
It's a federal government program.
It's supported by the government.
seamus coughlin
It wouldn't happen without government support.
Well, no, I mean, according to the National Bureau for Economic Research, the entire reason you have this student loan crisis and the entire reason college is so expensive is because of the wide availability of easy money.
So I agree with you there.
And it would be an incredibly regressive tax to, you know, quote unquote, forgive student loans.
But at the same time, the idea of somebody paying off significantly more than they ever took out, having paid off their debt and still having thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars left, I think is insane.
ian crossland
Standard interest.
You could do away with that standard interest.
tim pool
Alright, Nick Zilla says, I don't see how this is a backfire for Neil Young.
Read his actual statement, he got what he asked for.
He's crazy about audio quality and has hated Spotify since forever.
Being off Spotify is probably worth it to him regardless of any Rogan feelings.
ian crossland
That's what I'm talking about.
tim pool
No, he wanted to take his music off because of quality, but then later I guess he said something like, this is the place where people are getting their music and he wants people to hear his music so he's gonna stay on the platform.
I genuinely believe, in my opinion, I think it's a fair point.
Absolutely.
Cause Neil said, take me off of, I'll let you take off Rogan.
So they did.
So he got what he asked for, but I genuinely believe he thought it was going to be this moment where these other artists would be like, we're with Neil Young.
Yay.
And then Spotify would be like, I guess we got to get rid of Joe Rogan.
And then Joe would be like, Oh, and then they would all high five each other.
Instead Spotify was like, uh, uh, bye Neil.
Have a nice day.
ian crossland
Joe increased the value of their company by like 10 times by joining that platform.
tim pool
The stock skyrocketed.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
I don't know exactly.
tim pool
The day after they announced it, it was like, boom.
So yeah, they're not.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Crenshaw said he couldn't live off of $175,000 a year.
ian crossland
Wow.
Really?
tim pool
Man, it feels like Dan Crenshaw's been, like, just getting a lot of heat as of late.
Kind of just not doing well.
We are going to have Dan Crenshaw on the show at some point.
And I think that'll be fascinating.
seamus coughlin
I think I've done a good job.
tim pool
Luke will be back for that too.
tom fitton
I would be in favor of kicking up the salaries for members of Congress as part of my reform agenda.
You know, you get people in here for 10 years, And what happens is you have, government is designed to let people who work in government prosper.
But normal people, they're not welcome in government.
And the salaries reflect that.
So someone who wants, who's a businessman or just starting out, you know, a young person in their career, the idea they come to Congress, they couldn't afford to do it.
Why don't we make it affordable to someone to come here for a few years and leave?
ian crossland
Ben Franklin suggested that we pay them nothing and that everyone has to do it.
tim pool
Only rich people would do it then.
ian crossland
Well, you don't really now in the modern age, you don't have to move to DC to be serving in Congress necessarily.
You could read the bills and vote online.
tom fitton
Yeah, I think that's unfortunately a negative.
tim pool
Yeah, I think people need to be there to vote.
Look at what Marjorie Taylor Greene said.
They don't even show up.
So, nah, you should have to show up.
Oh, I don't know.
We got a very important one.
tom fitton
They don't want people coming into the Capitol anymore.
They don't.
Pelosi basically said, don't come.
tim pool
A horrible gamer says, Tim, you lie.
What?
The trespassing, the swatting was all an elaborate plan to scare Luke to GTFO to Florida so you can bring in shame-musts.
Luke's seat is still warm, Tim.
seamus coughlin
I'm not even gonna respond to that.
tom fitton
Do you know that person?
It sounds uniquely personal.
ian crossland
Was that you?
seamus coughlin
There are many people who are obsessed with me on the internet who create rumors and lies to make me look bad.
None of that is true.
tim pool
You never expect the Shamus Inquisition.
seamus coughlin
I'm not on trial.
tim pool
I gotta be honest.
seamus coughlin
I'm not on trial.
tim pool
I gotta tell him the truth.
seamus coughlin
I'm not on trial.
tim pool
Just plead the fifth.
It's time we told him the truth.
unidentified
Tim.
seamus coughlin
Tim.
tim pool
Shamus and I colluded this whole thing.
seamus coughlin
Stop it, Tim.
What are you doing?
tim pool
To scare Luke away.
seamus coughlin
Don't listen to him.
He's crazy.
unidentified
Tim is insane.
tim pool
Shamus offered me money.
seamus coughlin
Tim's crazy.
What money can I offer you?
What are you talking about, Tim?
tim pool
Seamus is the one who actually got me the Anthony Fauci bobblehead.
We laundered it through Ian so that Luke wouldn't know.
ian crossland
Seamus actually asked me to come out here in the first place after years ago.
unidentified
What?
How did this turn into so many things I never did?
seamus coughlin
Cut your hair?
What am I, Delilah?
ian crossland
You have a nice haircut, by the way.
seamus coughlin
I don't know if we pointed that out.
tim pool
Thank you, I appreciate that.
unidentified
You know what?
seamus coughlin
We're turning it back around.
It started with accusations, and now I am getting compliments for my haircut.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
You know, when I was waiting for someone to notice, shame on the superchats.
I thought I looked very nice.
I was excited for compliments from my adoring fans, and you guys didn't say anything nice to me.
ian crossland
On a scale of 1 to 10, how beautiful is Seamus' hair?
seamus coughlin
They're all putting a 1.
unidentified
I'm just kidding.
seamus coughlin
They didn't have time to respond, Tim!
tim pool
Joel Seberg says, I'm a CDL driver and have many skills.
Let me know if you need help, please.
I'm also adept in construction and farming.
seamus coughlin
I see you, Tim.
tim pool
Well, actually, with the new trailer that we're building for the mobile shows, we're planning on going down to Florida to meet back up with Luke for one of our mobile shows.
We did this in Austin.
It was amazing.
And it was one of the funniest shows we've ever done.
It was like Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Blair White, Drew Hernandez, Ian Mee, Luke, and who am I forgetting?
lydia smith
Michael Malice?
tim pool
You did forget me!
I forgot the guy sitting next to me.
No, we were like, Jameis, no one tell him.
And then we all had a party.
seamus coughlin
People were like, hey, look at Tin Cast tonight.
tom fitton
He shows up at the place, where is everybody?
seamus coughlin
But Joe, Joe, I was here alone.
tim pool
People are saying negative one.
No, Joe, Joe.
I didn't think he'd be able to come on the show because he had his own show, but he was like, I can stop by.
And then it was just funny when he was like, I show up to a trailer on the side of the road.
I'm like, yup.
unidentified
Yes!
tom fitton
Exit 2.
Literally, exit 2.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
From Joe's nice podcast studio.
There's like stars on the ceiling and like shooting stars.
It's crazy.
It's amazing.
To a trailer on the side of the road where it's like everyone's yelling at each other and he's like, what the... We're thinking, we're hoping we can do that with the Daily Wire crew.
tom fitton
For sure.
seamus coughlin
Oh, you're going to not invite me to that either, Tim?
tim pool
Definitely.
seamus coughlin
Oh, definitely.
You're going to go hang out with the Daily Wire crew?
tim pool
We're going to tell Seamus.
tom fitton
Where is it?
seamus coughlin
Tell me it's somewhere else.
tim pool
We're going to get there, and Seamus is going to wake up.
He's going to walk around rubbing his eyes, and he's going to be like, no one's home.
seamus coughlin
Is this home alone, bro?
unidentified
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Is this every single time?
Because that's what happened last time, except I was at my apartment.
I was nowhere near Tim.
tim pool
We're in Nashville.
seamus coughlin
I was nowhere near Tim, but I was still offended I wasn't invited.
tim pool
I think it's only like nine hours from here or something.
But we talked to them about it, and we might be able to set up our studio in one of their lots, because we have the big mobile fifth wheel.
We have a new one we're redesigning.
It's gonna be amazing.
And then it would actually be really cool to do, we want to do like one of each of their hosts, you know, every night, and maybe do one big night with a bunch of the Daily Wire people all at once.
It'd be really fun.
seamus coughlin
I wouldn't invite Knowles to something like that.
tim pool
No, not him.
seamus coughlin
No, he's a mess.
ian crossland
I want to do a theology debate at some point with Seamus and Michael Knowles, and we've had some other brilliant Catholics and Christians and other... I don't know about Knowles, but I appreciate the compliment.
seamus coughlin
No, I mean, honestly, Knowles is... I hate to compliment him.
He's a smart guy.
I like that guy.
tim pool
Yeah, I'd love to... Hey, shout out to Matt Walsh on Dr. Phil, too.
seamus coughlin
That was great.
tim pool
Dude, shout out to The Daily Wire for standing up to the mandates, man.
seamus coughlin
These Catholic political commentators, they're crushing it.
ian crossland
Ben?
Shapiro, you took a mega risk.
Jeremy, nice job guys.
tim pool
They won.
We got one more right here.
It's an important one.
Mike says, convoy to Ottawa is going to be a huge story.
Need to get on that story.
Store shelves are beginning to empty.
Convoy is 3,000 plus trucks over 50 miles long.
Absolutely, man.
So we'll be digging into that stuff.
But don't forget, To smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show wherever you can, share with all your friends.
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We don't got billboards, we're not in airports, none of that YouTube propping us up.
seamus coughlin
Nope.
tim pool
We're actually swimming against the current, and if you like what we do, please share.
And go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We are going to have a members-only segment.
We're going to talk about elections and stuff, so you're not going to want to miss this one.
Over at TimCast.com, you can follow the show.
At TimCast IRL, basically everywhere.
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, or whatever, at TimCast.
Tom, you want to shout anything out?
tom fitton
Judicialwatch.org, judicialwatch.org, we're everywhere else, but, I mean, you can actually look at the documents we're talking about, so.
tim pool
And they can help you.
unidentified
I hate it.
tim pool
You guys are a non-profit?
tom fitton
We are.
You can support by getting the word out and obviously directly donating to us.
tim pool
Are you guys a 501c3?
tom fitton
Yes, we are a charity.
tim pool
501c3?
Yes.
So tax-deductible?
tom fitton
Tax-deductible.
tim pool
There you go.
tom fitton
To the full extent of the law.
tim pool
There it is.
Right on.
Absolutely.
You got any social media you want to mention?
tom fitton
Yeah, I'm at Tom Fitton, Judicial Watch is all over, and, you know, I'm on all the places now.
tim pool
Right.
Seamus, do you sell t-shirts?
seamus coughlin
No, I actually, yeah, freedomtunesmerch.com, I guess I do sell t-shirts.
Oh, you do sell t-shirts?
Yeah.
So I do.
Tim, thank you.
And if you guys want to check those out.
And also, I have a YouTube channel.
It's called Freedom Tunes, if you guys want to check that out.
T-O-O-N-S.
And we uploaded a video yesterday poking some fun at Tucker Carlson and the whole Eminem debacle.
And tomorrow we're going to be doing a cartoon.
We're going to be releasing one parodying the idea of forcing children to wear masks in schools.
I think you guys are going to love it.
Go over there, subscribe.
tim pool
The line from Bernie in your latest video, this is bold, is one of the best.
seamus coughlin
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
ian crossland
You guys can also follow me at iancrossland.net.
Check my socials out there.
I also have a YouTube channel.
Subscribe to me on YouTube.
I made a video yesterday for the first time in a while talking about the scientific modeling methods and some flaws I think there are in it.
unidentified
So if you want to see that, check it out on YouTube and I will see you soon.
lydia smith
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